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Feb. 14, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:04:17
Don Lemon Pleads NOT GUILTY After STORMING Church, Feds SEIZE His Phone

Don Lemon pleads not guilty after storming a church protest, with feds seizing his phone amid claims of selective enforcement tied to the FACE Act—used against both anti-abortion activists and left-wing demonstrators. Critics argue his case reflects a double standard, while others warn Democrats may weaponize prosecutions against conservatives post-Trump. Meanwhile, Rayden Tanner Coleman faces terrorism charges for plotting to behead ICE agents, exposing tensions over violence against right-wing targets. Eileen Gu’s Olympic defection raises concerns about immigrant patriotism and dual loyalties, contrasting with Korean-American athletes’ embrace of U.S. values. The episode ties legal, cultural, and political battles into a broader clash over America’s identity, radicalization, and the future of conservative resistance. [Automatically generated summary]

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davey jackson
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elad eliahu
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ian crossland
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kangmin lee
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phil labonte
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andy alcock
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serge du preez
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phil labonte
The Justice Department arrested Don Lemon today.
He was in court and he has pled not guilty.
Nobody's really particularly surprised about that, but it is worth noting that the Justice Department has his cell phone and they've got a warrant to go through it.
So we're going to get into that.
We're going to talk about a woman in South Kansas City who decided that she was going to set a warehouse on fire because she thought that it was going to be a new ICE detainment facility.
So we'll get into that.
There was a plot, or no, the top prosecutor for Matthews County in Virginia was found dead in her driveway, the state police say.
So we'll get into that a little bit.
And we've got some information on an Oregon man that was indicted on terrorism charges over a plot to behead ICE agents in Portland.
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unidentified
What's up?
kangmin lee
Thanks for having me.
phil labonte
Who are you?
What do you do?
kangmin lee
I am the fill-in for Tim because we need some Korean representation out here.
And so I am the Korean representative for today.
My name is Kongmin Lee.
I am a speaker, a cultural commentator.
I have two goals in life.
It's one to make heaven full by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ and also to defend truth and tradition while we own the libs doing so.
phil labonte
Awesome.
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davey jackson
What's up, Davey Jackson, stand-up comedian and alleged criminal on the run?
phil labonte
That's where can people find you?
davey jackson
Social media at Davey Jackson.
Yeah.
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ian crossland
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We look like long-lost twins, but not quite maybe like a little inbreeding.
Am I allowed to say that?
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You are allowed to say that.
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Pastor's Defense of Don Lemon 00:15:45
elad eliahu
Not very kosher of me.
Good evening, everybody.
I am Alad Eliyahu, White House correspondent here at Timcast, and a good reporter, according to the president.
Kangman, thank you so much for coming on your prolific tweeter.
So I'm ready to see that turned into some yapping on tonight's show.
kangmin lee
Many are saying that.
Many say that I am Kongman, the rooftop Lee.
Many have said that.
So looking forward to a great show.
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From NBC News, Don Lemon pleads not guilty to Minnesota church protest charges.
The former CNN anchor was inside a church on January 18th when protesters disrupted a service.
A pastor there, demonstrators alleged, worked for ICE, as if that justifies it, right?
From St. Paul, Minnesota, journalist and former CNN anchor Don Lemon pleaded not guilty on Friday to charges connected to his coverage of protests over federal immigration enforcement in Minnesota.
I mean, I love the fact that right off the bat, they're taking his side, right?
Like they're not saying that he was a participant.
They're saying that he was covering it.
So they're poisoning the well right off the bat.
But NBC continues.
During the brief, highly procedural hearing, Magistrate Judge Douglas L. Mikko reminded Lemon of his constitutional rights and asked if he understood the charges against him.
Lemon answered in the affirmative before the judge said he was free to travel unless he were to violate any state or federal laws.
A prosecutor also revealed on Friday that authorities seized Lemon's phone during the arrest and have obtained a warrant so they can look into it.
Now, that I think is the actual interesting part.
Considering Lemon was, I mean, like I said earlier, he was, you know, if you, if you watch the videos, he was very much a participant, right?
So, so you, he's going to use, obviously, he's using the defense that, you know, it's the First Amendment right to cover this stuff, et cetera.
But he showed up with coffee for all the people that were the protesters.
You know, he was saying we, he continued to use the collective and thank things.
Yeah.
davey jackson
Thank you for your, what a bunch of warriors.
phil labonte
You know, yeah, impressive.
davey jackson
Support the troops.
phil labonte
You know, but I think that that's the fact that they have the warrant for his phone is probably going to be some pretty damning evidence.
I mean, what do you think?
kangmin lee
I'm just saying, I don't want to see what's in that phone, man.
If you know anything about Don Lemon, man, I don't want to see anything in that phone.
phil labonte
On stinky fingers.
kangmin lee
On stinky fingers.
Hey, but I don't know if you guys saw that video.
Sergio, do we have that video?
There's a video going around where there's a bunch of women, like fat liberal women outside of his, where he's being, you know, where whatever's happening in Minnesota, where he's there.
And it's just fat liberal woman waving around dildos.
unidentified
Oh, really?
kangmin lee
I know this is a family-friendly show, but I kid you not.
This happened today.
phil labonte
And I would be so proud.
kangmin lee
And it's like, what are we doing here?
It's just a fat liberal woman going around protesting, remember your constitutional rights free.
The press, free of the press.
And they're waving around dildos.
davey jackson
Does he even have press credentials still?
phil labonte
I mean, I think he does.
I think technically anyone that says that they're press nowadays kind of can be press, particularly when you're not going into a place where you have to get authorization from officials or what have you.
And they certainly weren't looking for authorization from the church.
They just stormed in and interrupted the service.
And I mean, from what it looked like on the videos that I saw, they were intimidating parishioners, trying to scare people.
Don Lemon made comments afterwards about how he saw that people were intimidated and that was basically a good thing, or at least that's what he was alluding to.
davey jackson
I think he just had a crush on the pastor, dude.
You wouldn't leave that guy alone.
kangmin lee
He was a Chad.
I mean, that pastor was pretty much a Chad, supported ICE, loved this kind of thing.
elad eliahu
I believe he was an ICE.
He worked for ICE, if I'm not mistaken.
davey jackson
Not the one that interviewed.
It was a separate one.
elad eliahu
A separate pastor.
davey jackson
A separate pastor.
Yeah.
From that church.
unidentified
Supposedly.
elad eliahu
That's why, by the way, I believe that church was targeted in particular because they not that that makes it right, but that's the reason why they targeted that church.
kangmin lee
But I think it's such a bastardization of the First Amendment.
I think if the founders saw that the First Amendment was being used to justify a bunch of ICE protesters storming into a church and disrupting a church service, I think they'd be very, very disappointed.
I can't speak for them, of course, but I think they are rolling in their graves because it is such a bastardization of what the First Amendment was there for.
And it's like the gall of these people to say, oh, it's your First Amendment right to go in and storm a church while they're having a church service.
It's like, it's nothing sacred anymore.
It's like, it's insane.
phil labonte
Well, not only that, just storming in and interrupting, that violates the First Amendment rights of all the people that are in the church.
Like people are forgetting about the fact that the protection of religious services or your right to express yourself or to practice your religion, that's in the First Amendment as well.
So that your desire to cover the protest or your right to protest does not trump your right to express yourself in your religious life.
ian crossland
Especially it's a peaceful assembly.
First Amendment protects your right to peaceful assembly.
So if you trespass and scare people with a loud, raucous aggression, that's not really peaceful.
So the idea is you're out on the street, you're not blocking activity and you're not scaring people.
davey jackson
Well, look, as a kid that grew up going to church multiple times a week, I would have loved if some protesters stormed in during one of my church services just to mix things up a little bit, dude.
ian crossland
Try the monotony.
davey jackson
I really, yeah.
Just wake me up, you know?
ian crossland
So, I'm waiting for this moment your whole life.
davey jackson
Literally, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
These churches, they're not a public place, so I don't think most reasonable people would think they're fair game for like First Amendment protests.
But as far as the Don Lemon stuff goes, I don't know if it rises to the, you know, the occasion of like collaboration or whatnot.
I think what I saw was that he recorded them, knew about it ahead of time, which many journalists are tipped off ahead of time when protesters do stuff like this, both on the right and the left.
And then the bringing the coffee thing.
I don't know if that like rises to the occasion of collaboration.
I still think Don Lemon's a piece of shit, and I still think he engaged in some harassment.
And I think his goal was still to encourage the people there, but I think it's like a dangerous standard to try to achieve.
I'm still old enough to remember when me and other reporters were covering the January 6th riot and inside the Capitol.
And Elisha Schaefer in particular, I remember, I believe he was in Nancy Pelosi's office, even, but he wasn't charged with anything.
Not that he shouldn't have been.
And some journalists get some protections here.
I think the punishment, the process is the punishment in this case with the DOJ going after Don Lemon.
And that's the case for a few other cases that they have going on.
Well, regarding Tish James, I think the punishment, the process is the punishment.
And same with James Comey.
I think the process is the punishment.
This is something Trump himself went through.
So when he's throwing it back in the faces of these people, I don't think he really gives a shit.
phil labonte
What would you say to people that say things like, well, you know, the law that he's being charged under protects people that are going to abortion clinics as well as people that are expressing, you know, going to a religious service or whatever.
And there have been a bunch of times where people have been arrested or the cops have said to people that are protesting abortion, move along, et cetera.
If you get arrested for praying outside of an abortion clinic, I can't see how this wouldn't rise to the same level of offense if he's going into the church, right?
So if you're outside of an abortion clinic praying silently, right?
Or talking to people, you say, oh, hey, do you really want to do this?
Are you sure you want to have an abortion?
If someone's going to do that and they're going to get arrested for that behavior, then I think that Don Lemon going into the church, I think that all the people that went into the church, I think that rises to the same level of intimidation.
elad eliahu
I think the protest leader that led the people into the church is being charged.
Also, I don't think people are pro-lifers.
Kingman, maybe you could fact-check me on this one.
So far as the people outside of the abortion clinics, they don't get arrested, but I do think there was a group of people who went inside these abortion clinics, refused to leave.
Those people were charged.
The president eventually ended up pardoning them.
That doesn't justify the stuff that goes on in the church.
And the protesters who went into the church are being charged.
But for example, do you think the pro-life activist media person who goes into the clinic with the protesters should also be arrested if they're just filming it, even if they do have an affinity for the pro-life groups?
kangmin lee
Well, I don't think they should be arrested at all because I think they're saving babies.
So they're doing a great job.
Sure.
Not that I'm not.
elad eliahu
If abortion is legal and you're obstructing these healthcare facilities from providing that legal.
kangmin lee
Right.
I guess there's like that line where, okay, is it moral, but is it lawful?
And there's a discussion to be had there for sure.
elad eliahu
Because you're a big pro-life guy.
kangmin lee
Yeah, I'm a huge anti-abortion guy.
I think it's unjust.
I think it is a modern-day genocide that many people look over just because the babies are small.
But I do think that there are, there have been cases of grandmas who are literally just praying peacefully outside of abortion clinics and they were arrested by the Biden administration.
And so it wasn't just only like super aggressive anti-abortion activists who go into the abortion clinics.
Like it's literally grandmas who are praying outside, of course, vocally, and they got arrested by the Biden administration.
davey jackson
Yeah, but what else were those grandmas doing?
You know, those grandmas can be real problematic sometimes.
elad eliahu
I don't want to butcher this story.
phil labonte
I believe there was someone who said a pastor who went into Grock says that there have been people.
Yes, people have been arrested while positioned outside or near abortion clinics in the United States.
These arrests are not for peacefully standing or praying silently without any additional action.
Arrests typically stem from specific violations, physically blocking, trespassing on private property, which Don Lemon definitely did, disorderly conduct, which that is what Don Lemon has done, resisting arrest during protests, interfering with business operations.
So essentially, it boils down to there have been people that have been arrested when it comes to abortion under the same law.
And so if so, because of that, I would say that what Don Lemon engaged in absolutely rises to the same level.
kangmin lee
Even worse, I would say.
phil labonte
Even worse.
You can make the argument.
kangmin lee
And it's like, I don't know how you wouldn't make the claim that he wasn't collaborating.
I don't think you can make the claim he wasn't collaborating with them when he literally got them coffee and he was saying, we, we did this.
Hey, good job to them and congratulating them.
And he went with them.
And the fact that, I mean, I just, I'm sure you guys have seen the pictures of like the children crying and scared.
And there's tons of stories that come out from the people who are actually there of, you know, these ICE protesters getting really violent, really in the faces of children, telling, like saying obscenities in their face, not letting them go anywhere.
elad eliahu
So I wonder, where is the line?
Let's say I was the journalist who was tipped off about this event and decided to, I didn't bring coffee and I didn't say we while being there, but I then otherwise recorded everything going on.
Should I be indicted for anything if that were the case?
kangmin lee
If you were literally a bystander just recording, right, as a journalist.
elad eliahu
Well, I would be, I would be, no, I would be trespassing, right?
Because I wouldn't have been welcome there.
And probably, yeah, so at the very minimum, breaking the law of trespassing.
kangmin lee
Well, I do think, and well, intent matters too.
And also, that's proven in a court of law.
But if you're just there to document what was going on, then yes, it's fine because it's just journalism.
But clearly, Don Lemon had an agenda, I feel like.
And it's just clear by all available evidence that he was proud to be there and he was happy to be there and he was happy to collaborate with these violent protesters and these agitators who went in and disrupted church service.
And so I think he should be arrested.
phil labonte
I mean, I understand your point a lot, but I think that the real facts on the ground, the fact that the government has prosecuted people for the FACE Act, which that's the particular law that was broken, for things like inhibiting, trespassing, et cetera, that standard has already been set.
And so when the FACE Act was passed, the inclusion of religious services and stuff, that was like a gimme to get Republicans to sign on, right?
Like really, they were focusing on abortion clinics.
That's why it was created.
They were worried about conservatives and pro-life people protesting or talking to people as they go in and being, and again, do you really want to do this, et cetera?
And so they threw it in there to give a bone to conservatives because nobody protests churches, you know, unless it was, unless it was, you know, I can't, unless it was like Scientology, I think they get protests sometimes.
But otherwise, like for the most part, religious services were fairly benign and most people didn't, you know, didn't think it would ever come to anything.
And so I think that because of the history with the FACE Act, I think that precedent has been set.
And now I think it's incumbent on the Justice Department to actually follow through and prosecute these people.
And I think Don Lemon is actually, you know, one of the people that made this a national story.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
If he received the footage, like if these protesters had strapped on GoPros, they trespassed, they scared, they did whatever, and then they sent the footage to Don Lemon and he's like, oh, I'm going to report on this.
That's no crime there.
But if you've been part, it's like a bank robbery.
If you, as the reporter, participate with the robbers to go commit the crime and you're there with them inside the bank recording them, you've stepped over a line.
You're not just reporting now.
You're part of the process.
And that's my take on it.
elad eliahu
But if you're tipped off to potential criminal activity going on in the future, so these protesters will often tip off journalists to come cover their events.
Do you think they're what?
ian crossland
And the reporter has a duty to report that to law enforcement.
elad eliahu
Okay, I don't think they do.
And I think that would not, it wouldn't make them a journalist if they did.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, what depends on the law.
I guess if it's a law that you think should be broken, you have a moral obligation to violate that law.
elad eliahu
I mean, well, you don't know if a law is being broken.
Protesters tell you, hey, we're organizing at XYZ and we plan to do something here.
That's how they'll do it.
And it's actually very common in the protest scene.
That's why you always see photographers and you'll get a ton of footage of stuff because they tip off the journalists ahead of time.
You don't know explicitly what's going to happen.
phil labonte
Don Lemon knew what was going to happen.
That's part of the problem.
elad eliahu
Did he know what the extent of what was going to happen?
phil labonte
He knew that they were going inside.
kangmin lee
And like the fact that the thing he does immediately as he goes in isn't to document what's going on, ask the protesters why are they protesting.
He goes straight to the pastor.
And so it's part of the scheme where you disrupt a church service and you go straight to the pastor while he's giving a sermon.
It's like clear what his intent was.
phil labonte
And if he goes, the fact that he went straight to the pastor means that he was in communication with these protesters because they ostensibly went there because the protester was allegedly working with ICE.
Even if this guy wasn't the guy, if there was a different pastor that was working with ICE, Don Lemon went to the pastor because he knew that they were going there because someone was working with ICE.
kangmin lee
Don Lemon literally went with these protesters to agitate this pastor or a pastor who works at this church to find out who is this pastor who loves ICE, works with ICE, et cetera.
And so I think it is very clear that he went with clear intent.
phil labonte
Yeah, and that's not even bringing up Don Lemon's personal politics, which are, of course, very, very progressive and very leftist.
This is all stuff that we're talking about, just the facts on the ground, never mind being like mentioning the fact that it's likely that he didn't agree with the religious people and he agreed with the protesters.
Like that's something that may come up, particularly because, again, they have his phone, they have a warrant, they're going to look into it.
And so if he was communicating with them and he knew about, you know, knew to the extent that the protest was going to be, then again, this only adds to Don Lemon's problems.
Why They Couldn't Let It Go 00:10:27
elad eliahu
Despite whatever fine details that we're going through, I don't think the DOJ will end up charging him.
And bigger picture here, I think this is probably the best case scenario for Don Lemon because he is a hero among his peers now.
Oh, Donald Trump is coming after me.
I'm fighting back against the Donald Trump DOJ amongst all his gay friends in Fire Island now.
Do you know who's fighting back against the homophobe fascists in the White House?
It's me and they're coming after me and I'm a gay icon now.
phil labonte
That same thing can be said about people that go to protest abortion clinics.
elad eliahu
You don't think that they're surrounded, start from that from the beginning.
phil labonte
But the same thing could be said for people that protest against abortion clinics.
You think if someone goes to an abortion clinic and they're arrested, you don't think that they can be like, look, man, much of my religious people.
elad eliahu
Because there's a couple of priests, Kingman, maybe you know their name specifically because it's escaping me, but it was these famous pro-life priests who would go around to these abortion clinics, go inside, end up getting arrested.
And it was because they repeatedly did that.
They eventually went to jail.
Trump pardoned them.
But even you, a pro-life advocate, I suspect you don't even know the name of these guys.
I think we don't rally around the pro-life flag on the right as many on the left will rally around the anti-ICE messaging.
And that's why I think he's becoming more of a hero.
People on the right, people in our country don't really care about pro-life issues, and therefore they're less sympathetic to those breaking the law to bring attention to that issue, as opposed to ICE and immigration.
People think they're totally justified in obstructing both ICE officers and even churches, church services, so long as it justifies and makes them feel good about the cause that they're fighting for.
phil labonte
I think that because the left is more vocal about this kind of stuff, particularly now because Donald Trump's in office, Roe versus Wade was recently overturned.
I think that it's a hot-button issue.
I think that because Donald Trump is in office now, the focus on immigration and stuff like that, that's a big deal.
But I think that there are probably conservative people tend to be just that, a little more conservative.
And I think that people that are pro-life, whereas they won't go and be so boisterous about it, I think that they still will be like, well, that was a good thing for him to do.
davey jackson
And if you're talking about optics, but Lemon's going to experience the Jimmy Kimmel effect on this.
You're absolutely right.
I mean, Jimmy Kimmel had no ratings.
Then he gets canceled, you know, taken off air, comes back and blown it out of the water now.
Same thing's going to happen with Don Lemon.
You're right.
He's a martyr for the cause at this point.
phil labonte
Is it consistent with Jimmy Kimmel, though?
Because I know that when he came back, he had a big pop because he came back, but I don't think that his show had a resurgence or anything to do.
davey jackson
He did have Don Lemon on, I think, right?
Didn't he interview Don Lemon or something like that?
phil labonte
There you go.
unidentified
There you go.
kangmin lee
I mean, yeah, I mean, people love a martyr, right?
People love the martyr story.
elad eliahu
I feel like it depends heavily on the political issue and whether or not people think it's justified.
On that spectrum, people decide whether or not the martyrdom is worth it and interesting.
unidentified
Right.
kangmin lee
But I think there is where, as yes, I don't want to make Don Lemon this martyr for this progressive cause and he's fighting against the fascists and the evil Donald Trump.
I do think that it is also incumbent on the Trump administration and the Trump DOJ to set a precedent to tell leftists and progressives, hey, we're not going to tolerate this.
And the more that we acquiesce enforcing the law that is in place and punishing people who agitate and hurt people or firebomb buildings and things like that, the more that we acquiesce and say, okay, we're going to stick to decorum.
We don't want to, you know, if we do it, like imagine if they'll do it against us.
Like, I just don't think we're in a place in America anymore where we can kind of stick to those utopian ideals and this vague abstractions of principles when they are literally killing us and they're shooting us and they're celebrating it and they're bombing us and it's like, and nothing happens because, oh no, it's fascism to arrest these people.
And so I think it is really incumbent on the Trump administration to say, no, we're going to have an end to this and all your leftist antics, your violent agitations and all these things, we're not going to tolerate anymore.
And we need more of that like heavy hand for like Trump to rule with the iron fist.
They'll call him a fascist no matter what.
No matter what he does, he's going to be a Nazi.
He's going to be evil Hitler.
So if they're going to call you that no matter what, the progressives are going to call you that no matter what.
It is incumbent on Trump, I believe, and the DOJ to go and enact justice to protect those who are truly most vulnerable.
elad eliahu
Does it matter if they fail to convict and are only able to indict these people?
kangmin lee
Like, what do you mean, like, does it matter?
elad eliahu
Like, like, doesn't like, again, he might not end up being convicted, but if he's indicted, he has to go through and charge.
He needs to go through the entire process.
If you're indicted, same again with James Comey, Tish James.
If you're indicted, you still need to defend yourself, even if you aren't convicted.
And that process is the punishment in many ways.
So, you know, I mean, it's not the way the criminal justice system was set up.
It wasn't meant to be that, you know, we're just indicting somebody and therefore you are guilty.
You know, you are innocent until proven guilty, but then you still need to hire a lawyer, go through the process, be stressed out about being investigated by the DOJ.
All your shit's probably being stared at by, you know, intelligence agencies and whatnot.
unidentified
Right.
kangmin lee
But if the indictment's the point and there's no conviction, then what's the point?
elad eliahu
It's like the process is the punishment, right?
kangmin lee
But it's still like political theater at the end of the day.
And like, I'm just kind of sick of political theater.
phil labonte
I think that, I think, to your point, Aladdin, if they don't, if they don't, if they fail to get a conviction, I think that people are going to look at the Trump administration as weak.
I think that guys are already the kind of the right, the base of the right wing.
They're already upset with the Trump administration.
They're not doing deportations fast enough.
Trump's not doing this, not doing that.
I think that if they fail to get a conviction, it's going to be actually bad for the administration.
elad eliahu
So I wanted to follow.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
I want to follow up on the SAVE Act and get these specific details here because I think it's really pertinent to what we're talking about.
So if I could please have 30 seconds to read this off.
So, a Catholic priest who blocked access to a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic could face up to one year in prison after being found guilty Monday of violating the FACE Act.
On the morning of July 7th, 2022, Father Fidelis McKinsky, 52, a priest of a Church of Renewal, effectively shut down a Planned Parenthood in Greater New York in the town of Hempstead, according to the DOJ.
He placed locks and chains on the gated entrance and covered some of them with glue, and that prevented anybody from getting through the gate and then accessing their pre-planned health care.
Not even all of these were for abortions.
I believe he was convicted and then eventually pardoned.
I know you're sympathetic to the pro-life cause.
Despite that, do you think he should have been charged based on the actions that he took?
kangmin lee
I mean, the reality is we live in a nation, and if we live in a nation with laws, we have to enforce those laws.
I don't believe in lawlessness.
And if we want to reform the law, if we don't, if we have unjust laws, then we need to repeal those laws.
We can't have vigilantism and things like that.
elad eliahu
Well, he'd be charged on this.
kangmin lee
Right, right, right.
elad eliahu
I just also think it wasn't just these guys standing outside.
They may have been arrested, but the people who were charged outside of these Planned Parenthoods were doing more than just standing around and trying to talk to people who were going in.
They were gluing and locking these doors shut.
kangmin lee
Well, they were saving babies, but I'm not endorsing it.
I'm not endorsing those methods.
elad eliahu
Well, but if you are sympathetic to that cause, then hypothetically, you would say those protests are justified.
Again, people protest around the country all the time, and their actions, people, I feel like, view them as justified whether or not they're sympathetic to the right.
kangmin lee
Yeah, of course, of course.
But the difference is like we're right and they're wrong.
So, and I guess that's where why politics is so difficult in this country because we don't operate from the same moral framework, not even like a semblance of a similar moral framework where the left wants to kill babies no matter what.
The right is this amalgamation of different actions of like pro-choice, but not until birth and pro-life and they're like really anti-abortion and just like different people exist in the right wing.
But the commonality among the right wing is that they love this country and they love America, whereas the left wants to like burn it all down.
And so I think that's why it's very difficult to have any sort of political conversation in this country with those who disagree with us for right versus left.
But also, I think it's very important then for us to understand why it's very, very dangerous for the left to get political power again.
Because once they wield political power, regardless of whether or not Don Lemon is convicted, they'll use his indictment.
They'll use this whole process to say, we're going to go after Trump and we're going to go after Trump supporters and conservatives and things like that.
And so it is very important.
This is where I don't really agree with a lot of the people on the right who are, you know, the dissident right, who are like, oh, let's just let it all burn.
Just let the Democrats win.
Well, no, I don't want to see my fellow Christians and my fellow conservatives and my patriots locked up like they were in January 6th with like hundreds of grandmas in solitary confinement.
phil labonte
And to your point, like the way that the Democrats are positioning themselves now, if they were to like win and, you know, like the decision right says, though, let it let them win.
It'll get so bad and then people will wake up and then people will actually want to see something happen, a strong man come in.
I don't think that that's a good idea because the Democrats are positioning themselves where if they win, they're going to make it impossible for the right to ever win again.
Like that, whether it be by expanding the court and getting rid of the filibuster and adding states or what have you know, gerrymandering or whatever.
So there's representation in Congress.
There's no representation for conservatives in Congress.
That's the goal of the left is to get a permanent left-leaning majority in Washington, D.C.
And they've done it in California.
They've done it in Massachusetts.
They've done it all over New England.
So it's possible to do that for the whole country.
And then it'll just be like, well, okay, it was cool when we had a chance, but because people decided, oh, well, we're blackpilling and we're mad that Donald Trump isn't doing enough stuff for us, we're just going to let it all burn down.
And if you let it all burn down, it really is the end for the right.
There is no coming back from what the Democrats are planning.
davey jackson
I think unpopular opinion on that is don't even go after Don Lemon.
Just go after the people who perpetrated this, right?
Because you're just bringing more attention.
It's the Barber Streisand effect with Don Lemon at this point.
You are creating a hero.
Leave him alone.
Just act like he doesn't exist because realistically it doesn't.
And just go after the protesters.
Get more bang for the buck on this.
phil labonte
I mean, they have arrested the two organizers and the woke farmer guy that was doing his best to actually intimidate people.
davey jackson
Just let Don Lemon fade into the black.
Go After Protesters 00:15:10
davey jackson
No pun intended.
Holy shit.
elad eliahu
I think it's part of their own the lib mentality where they couldn't let it go.
They had to go after Dantu because he had a big name.
The president was familiar with him.
And he was like, no, we have to take him down too.
And to their own detriment and to the Lemon's benefit.
ian crossland
Yeah, you want to exercise prosecutorial discretion from time to time because like you were saying, you have a nation of laws.
If you don't enforce the laws, the nation kind of becomes a mockery of itself.
If it can't enforce laws.
But if it can and it chooses not to, there are situations where like what you were just saying, Davey is like, yeah, maybe you don't like fan of flames.
Maybe, maybe, but the thing is now this is also precedent.
So if Lemon does this again, he'll get the book thrown at him like 20 years in prison kind of thing because it's already been like, bro, you did it once.
Don't do it again.
Don't support illegal trespassing and promote it to a million people.
So I don't know if you could get away with like throwing the book at him the second time if you don't charge him the first time.
So it's kind of like, look, we charged you once before.
Obviously, you can't.
So I don't know.
I was going to say you can't charge him for the same crime twice, but if he does it again.
phil labonte
If he does it again at a different place, it's different.
Yeah.
So, you know, someone can be charged for the same crime if they did another instance of it.
Like, if you murder someone and you get found not guilty for charges, you're not going to be like, well, we can't charge him for murder anymore because he beat the first person.
davey jackson
Yeah, but a stern talking to, you know, and then like, hey, if you do it again, seriously, Don.
phil labonte
This time.
davey jackson
Like, we're really going to.
phil labonte
All right, we're going to jump to this story from KMBC News.
Woman seen trying to set fire to South Kansas City warehouse tied to previous ICE detention proposal.
Let's see.
A woman was seen trying to set fire to a South Kansas City warehouse on Thursday, the same site that had been proposing as a possible immigration detention center.
Video from our crew shows the woman igniting window areas at the building and flames briefly flaring up.
KMBC9 reporter Andy Allock says he witnessed the woman throw what appeared to be a liquid onto the windows before the fire started.
I think we got some video here.
elad eliahu
KNBC9's Andy Alcock.
unidentified
And Andy, I know we'll get to this story in a moment, but you just saw a woman try to set this building on fire.
andy alcock
Yeah, we did, Chris.
She just left a few minutes ago.
But if we take a look, you can see there's some windows there along the south part of the building, and there might be some scorch marks.
You might be able to see that fire did not really catch.
It did burn for a little while, but it is now out.
Platform Ventures is the owner of this warehouse.
Their statement they sent today says in part the sale fell through because closing wasn't done in a timely manner.
It's a sharp contrast to what we were told a month ago.
phil labonte
So, you know, I guess that kind of points to the fact that if you want to burn down a building, you probably shouldn't try setting stone on fire.
davey jackson
You shouldn't send a woman to do a man's job.
My dad would have that thing up in flames instantly, dude.
Yeah, I mean, she just didn't know what she was doing.
phil labonte
Especially seeing that she had an accelerant.
You know, it's not like she was sitting there with just matches.
davey jackson
It was just lighter fluid, wasn't it?
phil labonte
Yeah, it was just lighter fluid.
davey jackson
She's lucky she didn't set herself on fire.
ian crossland
Is this the story?
She squirted lighter fluid on stone and then lit the stone.
phil labonte
Stone and glass, yeah.
ian crossland
Stone and glass.
I guess you can melt glass at high enough temperatures, but not with butane fire.
phil labonte
I think.
No.
elad eliahu
You got to wonder what TikTok set her off.
phil labonte
I do wonder.
elad eliahu
You have to.
You know it was a TikTok.
You know it was a TikTok.
ian crossland
You've got to go with attempted arson, even if there was a 0% chance it could have caught.
phil labonte
I think that's still actually arson.
Technically, I think it's arson.
She actually said, just because she was bad at it doesn't mean she didn't do it.
davey jackson
Just because it went out real quick.
ian crossland
It doesn't become arson if you hold like a Bic lighter up to the stone wall and you're like, it's not lighting.
It's not lighting.
And they're like, arsonist.
phil labonte
I don't know.
elad eliahu
But one of the most screwed up parts about this is that she was actually successful in preventing the sale of the building to the federal government.
Does I understand the property owner platform?
Can you scroll down a little bit?
It was paragraphs onto the video.
The property's owner, platform venture, said Thursday, it is no longer moving forward with any sale of the site to the U.S. government.
phil labonte
So, I mean, I think they said in the piece that it already falls through.
davey jackson
The deal already fell through.
phil labonte
Yeah, the deal had already fallen.
elad eliahu
Before.
phil labonte
Before, yeah.
elad eliahu
Oh, so it's just more.
davey jackson
It's just another misfire.
Another misfire.
They are going after people.
phil labonte
You're an ICE agent.
davey jackson
And they're just not.
elad eliahu
Also, the focus of protests below the video.
Just the video above that one.
The warehouse has been the focus of protests and public concern after report surface that it could be.
So maybe during the process, they helped encourage.
It sounds like during the process of when they were trying to sell it to the government, protests and attacks helped encourage them to not do the sale.
So in essence, they actually achieved what their main goal was, which is nerve-wracking.
phil labonte
We got some video of her actually trying to do the oh, wow.
davey jackson
Oh, look at that muffin top.
unidentified
Hot.
ian crossland
What is this video?
She's not even on camera.
phil labonte
Well, I don't know what it's just the frame.
It's a TikTok stuff.
Here we go.
davey jackson
She is.
phil labonte
Oh, she brought multiple bottles of acceleration.
ian crossland
Oh, multiple windows.
davey jackson
Setting fire to a building wearing sandals.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, this bitch should get put away for sure.
phil labonte
That's a crazy genius.
Who is she?
unidentified
What's the opportunity?
kangmin lee
Lighter fluid on stone.
ian crossland
Fire is so dangerous.
phil labonte
She really thinks she's walking around like she's like, they're not going to find her.
You know, I'm just going to stand out here and try and burn this place down and nothing will happen to me because, you know.
elad eliahu
White women are feeling way too emboldened to attack, obstruct, and now commit arson against ICE, DHS, and other federal officers.
It's outrageous.
Renee Goode, the way that our white people are behaving in our country right now is completely outrageous.
phil labonte
White women.
elad eliahu
And wait, and like Alex Preddy.
I mean, white men too.
You're talking about just a woman.
ian crossland
Talking about white men?
unidentified
Yeah.
Taking off.
ian crossland
Sorry, what are you going to say?
elad eliahu
I could see you protesting against Icy, and you look the punk.
kangmin lee
You have the physiognomy.
davey jackson
Oh, you look so inside.
elad eliahu
I could see your evil brother.
I could see your evil brother counter-protesting.
You just point all the ice until you guys are on opposite sides.
unidentified
What are you going to say?
davey jackson
We started an intentional fight just for clicks.
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
Ice.
elad eliahu
Ice.
kangmin lee
What is going on?
What is going on with women these days?
It is absolutely insane.
No, but like, seriously, like, they think they're like black widow.
They think they're Natasha from Black Widow.
We're going to beat the bad guys.
And then they just commit the stupidest acts of arson and terrorism.
And they literally get themselves killed.
And it is so insane.
And I said this, and this is a tweet that got me fired from my previous job that women untethered from healthy masculine authority.
They become hags and psychopaths.
Now, I got fired for that because I said I've seen worse tweets coming out.
elad eliahu
No, because I. I've sworn you tweeted about the Jews, too.
Keep going.
kangmin lee
I love the Jews.
I love all people.
I'm a Christian.
But no, it's because in that tweet, I said that the majority of people who were celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk were women.
And these were women who are untethered from masculine authority.
They have daddy issues.
They don't have good families.
Things like that, right?
And it's like, it's like, it's true.
It's true.
So then women untethered from healthy masculine authority.
They can't, they can't channel their healthy, you know, inner femininity.
And then they lash out and they become hags and psychopaths.
Like, truly.
And then this is what Renee Good is.
Like, she left her previous husband and then got married to another woman and started playing house and all that stuff.
And then she became this revolutionary and started LARPing as this, oh, I'm going to beat the patriarchy and beat Donald Trump.
Oh, they're the fascists and the Nazis.
We're going to beat and punch a Nazi.
And then she got herself killed running over an ICE agent.
And then so all I have to say is, like, woman, I love you, but you just got to stop.
You just got to stop.
elad eliahu
Pingman, to follow up on that point, I know in our country right now, the political divide among men and women is increasing, but it's not nearly as bad as the political divide between men and women in Korea.
What do you think we can do politically, socially, to try to bridge these divides?
I mean, in Korea, if the men and women don't get along sometime soon, there won't be any Korea left for us.
I don't know.
Do you recognize those divides?
And how do you think we can overcome them?
kangmin lee
I think if you actually look at the data, women in America are much more left-wing than the women in Korea.
It's just that the men in Korea are just so much more right-wing.
But it's like most women in Korea don't, they don't hate men.
If you go to Korea, you're going to be, you're just going to see couples everywhere, everywhere you go.
Yeah, it's going to be a guy and a girl holding hands, being really lovey-dovey.
You cannot escape it.
Even in the wintertime, maybe wintertime, the Christmas time, it's romantic, it's nice.
But when I was there this past month, it was just couples everywhere, couples everywhere, but no children.
And that's the problem.
Like they're not getting married because they essentially have the benefits of traditional marriage, right?
They spend time together, they're in love, they have sex, all this stuff, but they don't commit to each other because when they commit to each other, there's still this understanding in Korean culture that when you get married, that the woman is the one primarily taking care of the children.
But, you know, the women don't want to give up their careers.
And then so because of that, they delay marriage and then they delay childbearing.
And so they're just not having children.
And if you look at the stats too, that only 2% of childbirths in South Korea are outside of wedlock.
Whereas in America, it's like 40 to 50%.
So this idea of childbearing is still traditional in Korea, where it's like, okay, if we're going to have children, we need to do it within marriage.
But they don't want to have children because it's going to be an impediment to their career.
So that's why they delay marriage.
They delay having children.
So if you look at the gender divide in Korea, it's not like women are out there like, I hate women.
And then a woman, women are not like, I hate men.
And then the men aren't like, I hate women.
It's not like that.
It's much more like materialistic in nature.
It's really, I would say, like exacerbated by the extreme competitiveness of corporate culture and things like that in Korea.
phil labonte
Whereas I think it's an economic, is it economics?
kangmin lee
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Where, I mean, it is partly economic because the living wages and the wages in general in Korea haven't really caught up to the cost of living.
So all things considered, it is still pretty cheap to live in Korea, but the wages are really low.
And so there's that component too.
davey jackson
So they're all gold diggers.
kangmin lee
Yeah, basically.
Koreans love money.
elad eliahu
I'm trying to understand.
I don't know.
Do you think maybe men should contribute more to the upbringing of the children if that's preventing some women from well?
kangmin lee
I think there's a lot.
There's a lot of different parts and just a huge multifaceted.
elad eliahu
You got to figure this out.
kangmin lee
Yeah, I know, I know.
But I do think one part of it is the fact that Koreans are so mobile within Korea.
And then so they can't form communities.
Korea has one of the highest percentages of people of their population living in apartments.
And if you know anything about apartments, you don't really talk to your neighbors typically.
People move in and out all the time and you're isolated.
So then if you're isolated from the rest of the world and you're a mother, you're trying to raise your child, but you're like isolated.
You don't have help.
You don't have your parents.
You don't have your relatives.
You don't have other people in your life, your friends who can help you.
It's very isolating.
And then so who would want that in a modern society to have children and then to raise them up in your own home?
And this is actually something we need to talk about in America too, where the idea of the nuclear family, of course, I believe in the nuclear family, but we need to understand that it does take a village to raise a kid, where asking a woman to just be alone with children all day by herself with the children with no help from her parents, from her siblings, from people in her community.
It kind of sucks.
Like she's just by herself with her children.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
Yeah, it's just unsustainable.
Like no one lived like that in all of human history.
No woman has lived like that.
And so if we want to go back to a traditional lifestyle for families and for marriages, then we also have to restructure society and kind of take a step back, press the brakes and say, wait, wait, wait, wait.
The way that modern society is structured, it doesn't allow for traditional ways of living.
And I think that that's really exacerbated in Korea because Korea went from being one of the poorest countries in the war, in the world after the Korean War to rapid industrialization to becoming now one of the richest.
And so there's a lot of problems there for people.
elad eliahu
We need to send you back to deal with this birth rate crisis, huh?
kangmin lee
Hey, man, I love Korea.
Of course, I love America as well.
elad eliahu
Even the Korean Elon Musk.
davey jackson
You just explain all of this again, but like in squid game terms.
ian crossland
But in case we are Korean fans.
kangmin lee
Basically, Koreans need to get married, have more children.
phil labonte
Houses if everyone's living in apartments.
kangmin lee
Yeah, they just have to go back to more traditional styles of infrastructure and community building and housing.
And so things like that, too.
davey jackson
But I also think the culture is kind of shifting even in the U.S. a little bit, maybe not now, but like I was in LA last year quite a bit.
And the number of women that I encountered that were like, I just want like a real man.
kangmin lee
Yeah.
davey jackson
Like a masculine man.
Well, stop asking him to paint his nails.
Stop telling him to get in touch with his emotions.
It's not manly.
elad eliahu
It's so ridiculous.
kangmin lee
They're like, oh, a real man is secure with his masculinity.
So he'll let me paint all over his face and do his nails.
I'm like, no, dude.
phil labonte
I mean, men need to stop listening to women about what women want.
unidentified
Yes.
phil labonte
Like if a woman tells a man, this is what I want, she's not telling you the truth.
She's telling you what she thinks she wants, and what she actually wants is not what she's going to tell you.
davey jackson
Yes.
kangmin lee
And that's really important.
davey jackson
That's really good to hear because I've heard that I would like to peg you so much that I don't know what they want, dude.
elad eliahu
I've never been asked to be pegged.
ian crossland
That's a sticking point.
elad eliahu
It's because I don't give off any, I don't know.
Well, there's potentially a lot of the same thing.
davey jackson
There's a lot of dish.
elad eliahu
Have you been asked?
ian crossland
There's what the animal.
No, but I was asked to do porn and it might have been gay porn.
There's what the animal wants, like the animal female, the animal male.
It's like you're animalistic, what I want.
And then there's the brain, which is like, I want a stable, secure thing.
If you're nice to me during the day, that's what I want.
It's like, you want an animal that's going to protect you.
davey jackson
Yeah.
ian crossland
And like, if I have to kill to do it, that's what you want because that's what you need.
That's that's there too, you know?
So it's like this, they're all.
davey jackson
It's all biological, dude.
And if you don't give them that, they try to light concrete buildings on fire.
kangmin lee
It really is.
davey jackson
It's the whole problem.
kangmin lee
It really is.
elad eliahu
And they don't domesticate these women.
They try to burn down ice buildings and peg you.
So it's pertinent.
davey jackson
These problems are big problems.
elad eliahu
If you don't domesticate them, they become like gay men.
And it's a big issue in our society.
phil labonte
You have to be able to tell women no.
davey jackson
No matter how good you think it might feel.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Yes.
No matter how good you might think it would feel.
But seriously, you can't sit there and just constantly say yes and be a yes man for your, you know, for the woman in your life.
You have to be like, no, we're not doing that.
And if there's an argument, you have to stand on what you've said and be like, no, I said no.
And if we're going to fight about it and you're going to be angry with me, you'll get over it.
davey jackson
You know, I mean, start warming off the back of your hand, dude.
I'm with you, brother.
kangmin lee
For you.
Disabled, disabled.
phil labonte
The point is, the point is, women.
elad eliahu
I don't know.
I hear in Korea.
phil labonte
The point is, women, we love women here.
Women don't like a spineless man.
davey jackson
Very true.
phil labonte
If you can't stand up to them, they're not going to respect you.
davey jackson
Some of them do like spineless men, and it's the ones with color hair and short bangs.
Stand Your Ground 00:07:57
davey jackson
Yeah.
And they're typically very, very receptive piercing, too.
ian crossland
Only so long as they're on the SSRIs, but once they hop off of them, I keep thinking about this the fall of the Soviet Union as being kind of a turning point for the limpness of the American male and probably female.
Like, we live in fantasy candyland since 89, since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Every American was like, we own the world now.
We don't have to fight to protect.
We have machines that'll do that for us.
And like, dudes kind of just slothered into their video games and their entertainment.
elad eliahu
We need another war to put balls back on the chest of Americans.
serge du preez
I just need men to actually stand up and do things.
So I'm hearing here is like, oh, you need to stand up to women.
You're not going to learn that from a woman.
phil labonte
No.
serge du preez
You're not going to learn that.
You're not going to listen to your mom or your female caretakers.
You're only going to learn from a man who says, yo, women are going to push you to do these things.
You have to be strong as a man.
People always, for years, I've heard as a millennial or whatever, like, oh, you have to be in touch with your feelings.
You know, let me let you paint your nails if that's being confident, being like at one with your sexuality.
But all that ever did was just like, you know, blackpill a bunch of these kids into thinking, okay, well, now I'll just be trans, I guess.
That's an easy way out.
phil labonte
Most guys have heard the phrase shit test.
serge du preez
Yeah, exactly.
phil labonte
It's like they're going to push your buttons.
They're going to push to see how you react.
And the best thing you can do, you don't want to get like angry and feed into that.
You have to be like, all right, no.
You know, you have to be firm.
You don't want to yell and scream because that's getting emotional.
You're going to be like, okay, look, no, we're not doing that.
Whatever the issue is, don't feed into it.
But you have to be able to stand your ground.
And not that I'm like some kind of like, you know, what's the dudes that are like red pills?
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I'm not a former Marine.
phil labonte
I'm not like a Manosphere guy at all, but you do have to be able to retain your frame.
You have to be able to be like, okay, this is the way, this is the way that I see the world.
And I'm trying to do something that's good for us, the family, or both of us.
And I understand that you want this, but right now we can't do it.
And just be able to remain calm, not feed into it.
And, you know, that's what positive masculine energy is.
Just like, no, we're not going to do that.
You don't have to yell and scream.
davey jackson
It's being the voice of reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know?
davey jackson
Yeah.
That's what we're supposed to.
I'm not the most alpha guy.
You know, I get they asked to peg me all the time.
I'm clearly not the most alpha guy.
But like, I, I, you know, we have a allegedly.
We have a great relationship.
elad eliahu
Lemon code.
unidentified
You know, lemon maxing is the new thing.
davey jackson
Hashtag that.
Let's get it trending.
There's nothing wrong with that, dude.
phil labonte
Lemon maxing.
serge du preez
That's a little lemon party here.
davey jackson
But yeah, you know, you just, you just got to, you got to be able to be a man.
You know, start with like going to the gym.
elad eliahu
Yeah, dude.
davey jackson
Take creatine every morning.
serge du preez
Learn a framework from your dad, dude.
phil labonte
Yeah, dude.
unidentified
What do you got to do?
Smack some frame wogg.
phil labonte
Get that hammer, smash your face.
unidentified
I think there's something that you're going to do.
serge du preez
Learn a hammer your face from your dad, dude.
Just have it on your face like this for hours.
ian crossland
You know, kind of what you were saying, Phil, about like how the woman will aggravate the guy to get them to do a thing and the guy has to stay calm.
I think that it's like training for kids.
Now you got a kid.
You can talk more on this.
It's like the woman will press the guy and she's like simulating what the kid is going to do to the guy because the kid's a wild animal at first.
Like it's figuring out it wants it takes.
And so you as a man have to stay calm, push back and say, no, this is the path and you're following me regardless.
And then deal with the outcome and not flip out.
And then when, and it's the same for when the guy will push a woman, there's a way that the man will test his woman too.
And it's like, it's the way that you would push against a child.
Anyway, I'll think of that a second part later.
davey jackson
Stop saying push against.
phil labonte
Push where the conversation is.
ian crossland
It's getting I think a lot of marital chaos is actually training for how are you going to handle this wild animal raising.
Like, can you handle it?
phil labonte
Yeah, but it's not just that.
It's like if she's going to rely on you to take care of her and take care of the family, she has to be able to rely on you.
Like, if you're going to be trusted, you have to be trustworthy.
And women are going to do different things to find out if she can trust you.
davey jackson
Well, that's where a lot of the manosphere breaks down because they don't realize that it's earned.
You don't just get to do that.
I'm not the best protector and provider, but I can do it kind of, you know?
And that's like, you just got to get in where you fit in, dude.
serge du preez
I've heard a lot of women talking about how women's needs for a partner start with security first and then attraction beyond that.
Because that's what they have with the shit test and everything like that, because they want to make sure this person is someone that can be relied upon.
Because back traditionally, it would be like the father's family would give the woman to another family in a sense.
That's how it was.
And that's just the modern representation of that.
It's like, can this person stand up for me and protect me?
phil labonte
And so, look, this sounds, this sounds kind of like they don't get a dowry.
That's I know.
davey jackson
They got her dowry six months.
phil labonte
This sounds kind of like a hippie thing that Ian would say, but it's like, if you want to be trusted, you have to be trustworthy.
If you want to be loved, you have to be lovable.
That's something that you kind of want women to kind of internalize more.
Like, if a woman wants to be loved, she has to be lovable.
And that means don't go out and act like a feminist that says I hate men, blah, blah, blah.
And then complain because you can't meet the nice guy or find the guy.
You know, it's like you have to, you have to put out what attracts what you're looking for.
So if you're a woman, you want to be loved, be lovable.
davey jackson
God forbid a woman submit a little.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
I've been having this like this mind example that I do in my where I think about it.
And I'm like, okay, it's the year 1620 AD and the peasant woman has her husband who's got like warts on his face.
Maybe he's got some weird disease, but they love each other so much.
And he's sickly and he's farming.
And then the prince comes and he's this evil, wicked man, but he wants her.
He wants her to be his wife.
And she's like, I can stay with my sick husband who will probably die and not give me a child, or I can go be with this rich asshole.
And like, how could you say no to the rich asshole?
Like, you would, obviously, the guy's going to give you money and healthy food for your healthy children, a prolonged life.
phil labonte
It's called hypergamy.
unidentified
It is.
ian crossland
And so that's like in reality, you have to kind of, even if you're the poor farmer, you've got to somehow elicit the strength of the prince.
And people think, oh, if I get rich, that'll be, but it's not just rich, you know, it's power.
davey jackson
Dude, you're just saying that because you have prince hair, dude.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, you, you knew I was talking about actually talking about prince the whole time.
davey jackson
Look at that.
ian crossland
Her guitar.
davey jackson
That's Disney Prince hair if I've ever seen it.
unidentified
Wear purple.
ian crossland
Oh, I thought you meant Prince.
phil labonte
No, The artist formerly known as he's the green.
unidentified
So I don't know.
ian crossland
I'm always about like, how do you emulate?
I mean, I just usually just be myself and make people laugh, but like, how do you emulate strength without money?
You know, you don't need to rely on money.
Money's not going to buy you love.
It'll give you a lot of love.
elad eliahu
It's going to buy her a house.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
It'll buy you a house, which is locked walls where the kid's going to survive.
elad eliahu
She wants a house.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
She wants security.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
ian crossland
But then if you're inside the house abusing her, they're like, all that security is out the window.
phil labonte
So if you're abusing, right?
ian crossland
You've got to be like the violent protector and the docile lover.
And it's like, you got to be able to switch that on and off.
davey jackson
Docile.
Do I have a docile?
Maybe it's not the word.
serge du preez
I don't know about docile.
ian crossland
When you're in the bed with her, she does not want you beating things.
kangmin lee
Whoa.
I mean, you'd be surprised.
phil labonte
Maybe she wants to be a little bit more.
ian crossland
Ends on the thing.
unidentified
Ian.
kangmin lee
Have you seen what women are reading these days?
elad eliahu
Women ask me to do things that I refuse to do.
davey jackson
It's a liability.
elad eliahu
They want to be manhandled.
It's disgusting.
It makes me feel uncomfortable.
unidentified
It's misogynistic.
serge du preez
Let's go all the way.
It's misogynistic with these women.
elad eliahu
It's like, you want me to put my hands?
You want me to put my hands on you?
Like, are you trying to get me in a, are you trying to catch me up in something?
Are you trying to go to the police after this?
davey jackson
Dude, I have the.
elad eliahu
Like, it's not uncommon to be asked to be slapped.
It's not uncommon to be asked to be choked.
Like, those are like vanilla now among women.
davey jackson
That's entry-level, dude.
elad eliahu
Yeah, no, it is.
It is.
kangmin lee
I'm slapping.
elad eliahu
Not uncommon at all.
kangmin lee
I'm not speaking from personal experience.
Maybe I am.
But Women, they always ask to be choked and slapped and things like that.
unidentified
I have a past too.
kangmin lee
You know, I've repented.
I love the Lord.
But the thing is, like, these are the things that women ask for.
Night Vision Fears 00:16:05
kangmin lee
And you look at all the literature that they're reading these days, like, it's like weird bestiality stuff with minotaurs.
I'm like, what is going on?
phil labonte
Someone was talking that when it kind of busted onto the scene and was a big topic on social media, I forget who it was that was talking about it, but the reason that it's like all these animals now is because men, feminists kind of have like looked at men and said, men are terrible, but they still want the same kind of animistic.
davey jackson
They choose the bear, dude.
phil labonte
Exactly.
And so instead of having a man be the focal point of their lust or whatever, they've made it into these imaginary creatures.
elad eliahu
Men are domesticated.
Animals are still wild, and who knows what they can do?
phil labonte
There's probably two.
kangmin lee
That's literally the female mind today, the modern female mind.
ian crossland
Birth control.
elad eliahu
That's what we're doing.
He's the undomesticated man.
ian crossland
I think we're going to jump to the next story, but that's.
davey jackson
You definitely need a t-shirt that says docile lover, though.
ian crossland
Oh, that would be great.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Turn around and be like feral animal.
davey jackson
They have already docile lover and peg me on the back.
phil labonte
All right, we're going to jump to this story from the post-millennial.
I'm not sure how we got onto this stuff, but it actually ties into the story that we were talking about earlier.
Again, from the post-millennial breaking, Oregon man indicted on terrorism charges over a plot to behead ICE agents in Portland.
That's a happy headline.
A grand jury has indicted an Oregon man on new terrorism charges stemming from an intricate plot to kill ICE agents in Portland.
Rayden Tanner Coleman.
Good lord, that guy doesn't have a father.
18 of St. Helens faces new charges of first-degree attempted domestic terrorism and second-degree domestic terrorism.
The charges handed down by a Columbia County grand jury on Thursday are in addition to the 13 original charges that included six counts of unlawful manufacturing of a destructive device, six counts of unlawful possession of a destructive device, and attempted second-degree assault.
Prosecutors said that Coleman did unlawfully and with intent attempt to cause widespread serious physical injury or death and attempt to destroy or substantially damage critical infrastructure.
Coleman, who was arrested on February 4th, will be adrained on Friday afternoon.
And Deputy District Attorney Joshua Pond filed a notice seeking a harsher sentence per core records.
According to a probate cause affidavit, Coleman allegedly devised an intricate plan to follow ICE agents home as they left the facility on McAdam Avenue and kill them, including by beheading and taking their severed heads as trophies.
His plan detailed utilizing night vision goggles to stalk their whereabouts and wearing camouflage clothing to blend in.
Where has this guy got the money for night vision goggles?
davey jackson
This guy sounds awesome, dude.
phil labonte
I mean, it's like a committed to the bit, right?
elad eliahu
Is he a Muslim revert with the beheading stuff?
I wonder where he drew inspiration.
phil labonte
He doesn't look like it.
elad eliahu
I know.
No, the revert.
serge du preez
Because if you revert to Islam, yeah, he's no convert.
You revert.
Everyone's natural based.
elad eliahu
Everyone's born Muslim.
phil labonte
Oh, yes, yes.
elad eliahu
And a woman is a woman.
phil labonte
Investigators found Coleman in possession of surveillance equipment, tactical axes, military knives, shovels, and homemade explosive devices, including Moltov cocktails, which were located in his vehicle during his arrest.
Coleman also had been making payments toward the purchase of an AR-15, according to court documents.
He went with the night vision.
davey jackson
AR on layaway, dude.
elad eliahu
It's kind of strange.
unidentified
I mean, 18.
phil labonte
You can get an AR for pretty cheap.
Oh, the night vision first.
Those things are.
elad eliahu
Yeah, but he's 18.
ian crossland
The night vision was cheap.
phil labonte
Night vision was changed.
elad eliahu
Where's he getting this money?
Where's this 18 years?
davey jackson
This literally sounds like my closet.
This is great stuff.
I don't want to.
phil labonte
I'm not going to talk about.
Oh, well, I don't want to try to get the things that I own that are similar to the.
elad eliahu
Oh, yeah, my closet.
I have a bunch of firearms and my closet.
davey jackson
I still haven't come out of it.
unidentified
That's pepper spray.
phil labonte
The reason that I know night vision, there's a reason that I know night vision is very expensive.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
ian crossland
Especially that top-level stuff, man.
It's 13.
elad eliahu
Yeah, so how did this 18 look so cool too?
I want to wear a star.
davey jackson
But Momo, I want to wear your goggles.
phil labonte
So to Aladdin's point earlier, you know, these leftists really are getting far more brazen in their attacks.
I mean, there's obviously all the attacks in Texas on the ICE facilities.
There was a couple, I think there were three immigrants that were illegal immigrants that were killed when the shooter was shooting into the ICE facility, and he was trying to kill ICE agents, but he ended up killing illegal immigrants.
Do you think that this kind of stuff, or do you guys think this kind of stuff is going to be more prevalent in the coming years?
Or do you think that this is going to reach an apex soon and kind of peter out?
elad eliahu
I don't know if we have a, I don't know if I specifically have a blind spot to this, only noticing this happening for leftist causes and I'm maybe missing all the right-wing causes this violence is done for.
But no, I see this as like normalized on the left and encouraged by the left.
Shout out to, you know, going back to even Charlie Kirk not too long ago being murdered.
Obviously, there were two Israeli consulate staffers who were murdered in Washington, D.C. not too long ago.
And these, the fire bombings of potential ICE facilities or attacks on ICE agents or doxing of ICE agents, it just doesn't seem uncommon.
It seems to be normalized and almost appreciated by people on the far left.
They believe the ends justify the means and they think these people are genuinely evil and they are superheroes fighting against them.
They think they're like, I don't know, Batman or Superman punching like Adolf Hitler in the face comic style.
And when you have people who are so self-absorbed and so self-important, I think you're only going to see more of this stuff.
So this really begs the question, which TikTok did this kid see before being encouraged to go try to, you know, kill ICE officers?
kangmin lee
It might have been actually a Reddit post.
I don't know.
phil labonte
Have you guys seen?
kangmin lee
Have you seen these Reddit posts and these memes from trans people?
They're like trans meme.
Trans meme humor is just literally shooting people.
Like that's all shooting and stabbing people.
And we don't condone that here.
We disavow all that kind of stuff, right?
elad eliahu
But for people who bitch and moan about dehumanization all the time, they sure love to dehumanize people who don't think that they are the opposite gender.
kangmin lee
100%.
And like you see, and it's not fringe and niche anymore.
It's like it is mainstream on the left where these memes, these trans memes where they depict themselves shooting or killing people.
Like they get hundreds of thousands of likes.
elad eliahu
It's mainstream.
kangmin lee
Hundreds of thousands of likes.
elad eliahu
It's mainstream to justify the murder of Charlie Kirk on the left.
Not liberals.
I want to make a distinction between the left and liberals, but leftists justify the murder of Charlie Kirk without question.
They feel unbothered by it.
Why?
Because he was a fascist who they believe was causing harm against them.
They believe his speech was causing harm against adults.
kangmin lee
It's so scary because there's millions of people who feel this way.
Like millions of people who feel this way, that if you are a right-wing person, anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton, you deserve to die because you are dehumanizing me and you are taking away my rights.
And it's absolutely bonkers.
phil labonte
You know, we were making jokes about the TikTok of the lieutenant governor from Minnesota today because she was talking about her native name.
I forgot.
But I can't pronounce it off the top of my head.
But the point that I'm making is she's been seen wearing a shirt that says protect trans kids and stacked on top.
And there's a knife in between protecting trans.
And it's like this kind of stuff is not just discussed on Reddit.
This kind of stuff is actually valorized by politicians.
Maybe they're not in D.C., right?
Maybe the people in DC are smart enough to not actually call for violence, but there are plenty of Democrat politicians that do.
kangmin lee
Someone close to DC, Jay Jones, who had messages where he wished death upon Republicans and their children.
phil labonte
There's a guy in Texas running that said that he's literally running on a platform to kill Donald Trump.
That was the way that he phrased it.
And he was talking about, well, we're going to find him guilty.
We're going to arrest him.
We're going to find him guilty and we're going to get capital punishment.
Didn't bother to mention what crime he was going to be charged with.
Didn't bother to mention what crime he had committed that was worthy of capital punishment.
But he was making it very clear that capital punishment was going, that was his goal, that he was get him elected and he was going to make sure that Donald Trump was brought up on charges that would lead to a death penalty.
And that kind of stuff is insane.
kangmin lee
Insane.
It's normal.
I think that's what makes Democrats, like, I don't like Republicans either, but I think this is what makes Democrats really pernicious is that they know what they're saying is absolute bullcrap, but they live off the delusions of useful idiots who eat it up, where these useful idiots on college campuses, on Reddit, they genuinely believe that Donald Trump is worse than Adolf Hitler.
And so they believe that, yes, we need to go out and kill all the supporters of so-called worse than Hitler.
And then this is why left-wing violence has become so normalized in our society, where it seems like there is a left-wing attack in the West every other week.
Like we just had a trans shooter in Canada target multiple children, murder multiple children, and somehow the left is completely silent about that.
But if you look at his posts, Matt Walsh was calling out that trans person, that shooter's post years ago about, hey, these people are getting really radicalized on the internet and then nothing's being done because they are a protected class and we can't dehumanize them and they are somehow protected under civil rights legislation.
phil labonte
And to your point about the protected class stuff, like the Canadian media wouldn't even come out and say that it was a trans woman.
They were saying it was a gun person.
davey jackson
The gun person.
phil labonte
Yeah, the dance that they do only helps the trans people that are the shooter.
Like if you refuse to use the actual biological sex of a person because you're going to offend the trans community when it was a trans, a trans woman, it was a guy that shot these 10 people or something like that killed his parents, then went to a school and decided to shoot a bunch of kids.
If the government and the media still won't come out and say, look, okay, this was a mentally ill person.
This is a person that had a disorder and was on drugs.
And they totally ignore that stuff.
And they say, oh, it was a person, a trans person, a woman in a dress is another thing that I heard someone saying, a woman in a dress about a guy in a dress that was shooting people.
The fact that the media still plays into it only helps these people, only protects these people that are carrying out these heinous crimes.
kangmin lee
Did you guys see that Canadian police chief when discussing the trans shooter?
They said, we will respect the preferred pronouns of this individual while she was alive.
And I was like, why?
Someone who goes around killing children deserves no respect.
davey jackson
There was a thought of someone saying the first victim in this situation is the transition.
Dude, people are so heavily, extremely propagandized now.
I mean, Elon, it's right.
They believe they are fighting evil.
That's genuinely like the mentality that they have.
elad eliahu
Unironically.
It's hard to emphasize how much they think that right-wingers are legitimately evil and that they are saving the planet.
ian crossland
Think that that's like a what I take is a global conspiracy to actually do this to the United States to get it to destroy itself from within.
So, like to answer your question, Phil, is this going to keep happening?
I think the plan, it looks like, is radicalize the people of the United States by destroying their economy and flooding their country with fentanyl, weird petrochemicals, drugs, feed them crap, they'll eat it in the US.
They'll ban it in Europe, but they'll eat it in the U.S., make them androgynous, and then have the make it normalize it.
And then when they fight, then the people are going to be like the response to like radical, call me my pronoun is, I would rather see you worst of the worst.
Are you kidding me?
You're going to push me to say something that I know isn't true.
Like, you can't compel my speech and behavior.
So, then what that'll happen is it will radicalize both sides more.
And then I think you will see more of this up until people start begging for a technocracy to come in and use spy tech, global spy tech, to make sure no one can do this kind of thing because we're all being tracked at every moment, like what Larry Ellison wants to do: make ours all tracked at every moment so that we can't commit crimes.
And people will beg, even people on the right, begging for this technology to protect them from these crazy trans shooters.
And it's like it's an op.
It's an op.
We're supposed to be free and have gun rights and protect our individuals, you know?
phil labonte
We have this video from Sky News about this particular show.
serge du preez
Please say the attacker was dead when they found her.
unidentified
She had a self-inflicted wound and she matched the description given in an earlier police alert.
Female wearing a dress with brown hair.
That is extremely unusual.
It's rare to have a female attacker.
Please say the attacker.
phil labonte
Insane.
elad eliahu
I shouldn't have left this.
phil labonte
I mean, the fact that, you know, he says a female attacker, right?
Like, it is actually not rare at all.
davey jackson
Female attacker with a massive hog.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
It's not rare for trans people to go and shoot up schools or whatever anymore.
Nowadays, it's actually very common to have trans people that are attacking, you know, society in one way or another.
So the fact that that was Sky News, the fact that the anchor for Sky News was not just, you know, not just talking about what had happened, but actually even trying to tell people that this is a rare thing because women don't do this.
And it's like, look, it wasn't a woman.
It was a, it was a guy.
elad eliahu
I mean, a girl in a dress with brown hair might as well be Ian any other day of the week.
I do think there's a same man sister with mental illness and them being trans.
So we are seeing this increase in trans shooters.
And I think a big part of that is because they are dealing with serious mental illness.
And again, in an unironic and in a serious way.
unidentified
Absolutely.
ian crossland
I would love to stop focusing on the transgender aspect or transsexual aspect of the human.
Focus more on if someone is warped, if someone is broken mentally, if they've been, that's the problem.
elad eliahu
Whether the mentally ill are being taken advantage of, the autistic people are being taken advantage of.
People who are confused about their identity are being taken advantage of.
Puberty is a difficult time, particularly for women, and they are being taken advantage of.
ian crossland
People that are compassionate are being taken advantage of.
It's the vector of attack of this machine is compassion.
They're getting people to use their own feelings of empathy.
Like, oh, there's this homeless, dying, sick person on the ground.
You wouldn't just leave them there, would you?
Put even here and bring them all into your house.
elad eliahu
Even rolling this back to the, like, how do we, how do people get encouraged to transition?
It's, again, people who feel legitimately uncomfortable with their bodies, which can be okay, but that doesn't mean you need to butcher your own body.
So, again, it really is taking advantage of retards, young women, and the mentally ill because those people are the most susceptible ones to think they have issues with their body and are the most likely to be and most capable of being taken advantage of.
phil labonte
Maybe we were talking about this when we were in Florida on one of the shows.
The incidences of anorexia and bulimia have dropped, whereas the incidences of trans men, trans women, or no, trans men has increased.
A lot of it is body dysmorphia.
The trans situation that we've got going on, it's actually a manifestation of a bunch of different things in females and women.
It tends to be body dysmorphia.
Whereas when it comes to trans women, men, it tends to be things like autogynophilia and mental disorder or other mental disorders, but it's manifests as trans.
davey jackson
So if you're a man and you're having body dysmorphia, you're gay.
phil labonte
I mean, there's a bitch male.
Transgender Body Dysmorphia 00:11:29
phil labonte
I think a lot of gay people that are like, oh, you're erasing gay people because you're telling young gay people that actually they're trans.
And so there's a big portion of the LGBTQ LGBT lobby, the LGB lobby.
kangmin lee
LGBTQ.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's that says that says, oh, this trans stuff is actually erasing gay people.
It's an extra.
davey jackson
Well, that's why you've seen like a large part of the gay population disassociate from the trans movement.
The other thing that I think is really interesting is seeing some of the detransition now, where like they, it was almost like a fad at school and everyone was doing it.
So now I'm, you know, and you see these people that are detransitioning and telling their story about that.
And the way they get attacked by the trans community is mind-blowing.
It's like, I'm talking serious threats.
kangmin lee
Because what's worse than an enemy is a traitor.
And so if they view you as a traitor, they view you with so much more contempt than they do the enemy, right?
So they'll view us as the enemy, the far-right fascists who want to take away their rights and everything and genocide them.
But then they see detransitioners and they're like, oh, you are with us, but now you betrayed us.
serge du preez
You're not just an infidel.
davey jackson
So that's why you don't get anything.
There you go.
Back to the Muslim girl.
kangmin lee
Seriously, you're an apostle.
serge du preez
It's different.
elad eliahu
You look like a revert with that beanie on.
serge du preez
Hey.
davey jackson
Hey, dude, I'm gay and I'm Muslim, dude.
What do you want?
ian crossland
Getting people to turn on huge segments of society is like genetically, we're predisposed to genetically being pointed at the enemy and go probably because our ancestors, those were the people that survived.
They weren't the good guys, but they were the people that would mobilize the masses and get them to kill a bunch of people.
And they're like, see, now we're in charge.
And it's like, it's so easy to manipulate people into hating and killing.
It's got to be, we evolved to a point where we stop that way of being.
It's got to happen.
Like if there's going to be a great war superseded by AI that like takes care of people that are psychotic, I don't know, man.
I don't like it.
davey jackson
That's how we turn men into men again, dude.
You go to war.
elad eliahu
Big trip to Taiwan.
I don't know if Kingman wants to come.
I know they have some ethnic beef, but I like the Taiwanese.
kangmin lee
I do like the Taiwanese.
You're a lot more silly.
phil labonte
Talking about detransitioners, there was just a D-transitioner that was awarded $2 million because her mother felt pressured by the psychologist and by the doctor.
The child was 15 when she started dressing like a boy and began social transition.
And then 11 months later, it's when she got surgery.
11 months.
She got it at 16 years old.
elad eliahu
It's particularly pernicious for young women because when young women start puberty, it's a very traumatic time for them.
They're used to being viewed in one way without breasts.
And now they're beginning to be sexualized and they just want to stay the way it was.
And, you know, they don't want to be viewed differently by their peers.
And that doesn't mean they're not a woman anymore.
But the way that it manifests in the way people try to abuse them is by encouraging them to be men and telling them that they're men and tricking them and saying double mastectomy.
It'll go back to how things were beforehand, but it's not the truth.
And misleading young women, I think, is particularly traumatic.
And Davey, I think you were spot on.
Part of why they get so much hate too is because they delegitimize the cause so effectively.
So I actually know some detransistor, D-transistors.
unidentified
D-transition.
kangmin lee
D-T-Transistors.
ian crossland
D-transistors, dude.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
elad eliahu
And they all say the same thing.
When they were younger, they were going through puberty and being taken and felt like they were being taken advantage of.
Also, know women with large breasts who, when they were younger, tell me, like, hey, this really changed the way how I was being viewed by others.
And it made me feel very uncomfortable in my own body.
And I thought that I wasn't a man, I was a man because of that, or at least not a woman.
But again, it's just, you know, the troubles of going through puberty, which again could be a very tumultuous time for people.
And it's really sad because these are our most vulnerable people in our society being taken advantage of.
Thankfully, though, I think we are heading a little bit in the opposite direction.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
Chloe Cole stepped out into the oncoming traffic and like blasted the world with the truth like four years ago.
She's so awesome.
And now, what she's 22, had her breast cut off when she was 15 or something crazy, fast-tracked through.
phil labonte
And, you know, to that point about, you know, that happening as teenagers, if you talk to normies, like people that are not particularly politically aware, they'll tell you, no, that doesn't happen to kids.
They don't do it to kids.
davey jackson
It's only no idea, dude.
phil labonte
They have no idea.
davey jackson
There's so much ignorance about that.
serge du preez
They're so common.
davey jackson
They'll attack you in the comments on social.
This doesn't happen.
This isn't a real thing.
And then you show them a couple of examples.
Well, that's just like, no, dude, it's very common.
kangmin lee
I have no idea the kind of books that is being shown to kindergartners and preschoolers.
It's absolutely insane.
I really do think it's really sad because whether it's anorexia and bulimia or it's the modern social contagion of transgenderism when it regards like in regards to women, it's like all these young women all just want to be loved, right?
They just all want to be loved.
And all of these social contagions are just attacks on their very, you know, rudimentary and, you know, just very basic desire to be loved.
And this is why it's like very important as men too.
Where, you know, I do rag on a woman a lot on social media, but I really do.
It's because I care.
davey jackson
Because you don't have a hot girlfriend.
unidentified
Yeah, that's true.
kangmin lee
No, but I do care about the general well-being of women because I believe that men and women should complement one another.
And as men, yes, we need to call out the faults and the sins of women in modern society, but we also need to step up as men and be show women that, hey, like there are good men who exist where we can, yeah, we can be fun, we can be crass, we can crack jokes and all these things, but we also mean business and we will protect you when push comes to shove.
And to give them that security and just to let them know, like, hey, it's okay to be a woman.
Yeah.
I think that's really, really needed because healthy masculine energy complements and brings out healthy feminine energy.
And then the vice versa, you know, healthy feminine energy brings out healthy masculine energy.
phil labonte
Are you guys familiar with that?
There was a trend or whatever that was going on on Instagram and TikTok where like a girl would be like, oh, what's going through my head?
And we're walking down the street.
And she's like, da-da-da-da, like not paying attention to anything.
And then she goes, and it switches to her boyfriend.
That's like, okay, that guy looks weird.
We're going to move over here.
Okay.
If someone comes out this door.
And it's like that really kind of encapsulates what a relationship should be like.
You allow by being a man that will take care of your woman and protect your girlfriend or your wife or whatever and protect your family and take the responsibility that comes along with that.
You allow the woman to go ahead and say, you know what?
I trust this guy.
I believe that he'll protect me so I can worry about things that, you know, that I can, you know, women want to worry about.
Women don't want to worry about being attacked and stuff like that.
You hear women, particularly feminists and stuff, they say, you know, we shouldn't have to worry about this and we shouldn't have to worry about that.
I shouldn't have to.
And you know what?
To be honest with you, you shouldn't.
You're right.
And it's terrible that there are people out there that will take advantage of you and hurt you.
But we live in the real world and that kind of danger has been a reality for all of human history.
kangmin lee
And it always will be.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And it always will be.
And so that's why if you're a man, you are responsible for taking care of your girlfriend.
That's why, if you're a man, it is expected that, like, if some dude comes up, you're going to be the one that gets in the way and gets punched in the face, you know?
And that's what happens.
Wait, I mean, oh, jujitsu.
unidentified
I'm going to do the bunching.
elad eliahu
I'm going to do a bunch of people.
I think you solve the issue to the female trans issue.
It's really just male love.
That's all they need.
kangmin lee
Yeah, that's that's and that's what I said in the beginning, right?
Like, women untethered from healthy masculine authority become crazy.
And so they just need good male figures in their life.
And that's that's really all it is.
davey jackson
What do the boys become women need then?
phil labonte
Fathers need to put the porn down.
davey jackson
Dudes to become women need to put the porn down they need.
Yeah, they need also masculine love.
There's nothing wrong with that.
ian crossland
There's a lot of type of love, too.
It's an interesting concept because the Greeks broke it into eight different types of love.
You know, there's erotic love.
That's not, you know, necessarily.
There's like love of self.
There's love of the community.
There's familial love.
There's friendship, love of friendship.
There's flirtatious love.
And like a child needs to see a man in exact all of those with his wife in order to emulate and to know like it can be safe.
Like it's okay to be a girl.
phil labonte
The best thing you can do for your, the best thing a man can do for his children is to love his wife in front of like not sexually, but like in front of them.
Treat your, treat your, your, your, treat your child's mother well.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
And that's going to teach the child how to treat women and treat the opposite sex.
Because the kids like, that's mom, right?
Like a little kid is like, that's mom.
I love her.
She's the best thing in the world, blah, blah, blah.
If he sees dad disrespecting her or being aggressive with her or just being crappy, like he's going to think that's how you're supposed to treat him.
So the best thing that a father can do for a child is to love that child's mother.
davey jackson
It conditions.
phil labonte
Love her openly and love her fully.
davey jackson
It conditions the boys to understand, okay, this is how I treat women.
And it conditions the girls to believe this is what I deserve.
phil labonte
Exactly.
davey jackson
Yeah, so it is very symbiotic.
phil labonte
Yep.
davey jackson
But also at the same time, I do have a lot of trans friends and trans female friends, not trans guy friends, obviously.
phil labonte
No.
elad eliahu
Wait, trans female, male or female friends?
davey jackson
They are now female.
elad eliahu
Okay.
davey jackson
And some of them are hot, dude.
I don't think we can overlook that.
phil labonte
Why do I feel like you didn't say no to the peggy?
Hang on, dude.
elad eliahu
Dude, are you trans?
davey jackson
Whoa.
No, let's not get that rumor started.
I'm gay and I'm trans that I'm Muslims.
elad eliahu
Both you and Ian are very pretty with the long hair, very silky.
ian crossland
I'm a trans girl.
kangmin lee
You're calling dudes pretty.
davey jackson
Don't make me throw it on the table right now.
elad eliahu
I was going to say Koreans look the most androgynous.
So if anything, you make the pretty the prettiest one of the three.
kangmin lee
And it's actually funny.
No, it's there's like.
elad eliahu
If you wanted to go trans, I think you do the most convincing job if anybody ever saved.
I don't know, you would be the hot hair.
You cannot grow a mustache.
kangmin lee
I can't conjecture as bad as I can.
elad eliahu
You have two hairs on your chest.
serge du preez
That's the craziest insult I've ever heard in my life.
kangmin lee
No, it's funny because I did go viral.
elad eliahu
You're so soft skin.
davey jackson
Oh, yeah, I'd bang you, dude.
kangmin lee
Absolutely.
When I pissed off the Indians earlier last year, they made a viral meme of me where they took my profile picture and then they put some makeup on me and a wig.
And they're like, look, Korean men and Korean women, what's the difference?
What crazy viral.
So viral.
It's still going viral right now.
Where some kids in my church are like, hey, is this you?
Like, even kids are seeing it.
The kids are still.
davey jackson
They're just jealous, bro.
unidentified
I know, I know.
phil labonte
It's a bad sign when someone's bringing up a picture.
Is this you?
kangmin lee
I know, I know.
It's so funny.
ian crossland
I used to do theater in like my junior year.
I played Laertes and Hamlet.
davey jackson
Oh, he's gay.
ian crossland
I look at myself.
unidentified
You're going to love this girl.
ian crossland
Wait, it gets better.
And then I look at myself in the mirror and be like, I would make a hot chick.
But then that doesn't make me gay.
unidentified
What?
davey jackson
Dude, you could be the next Blair White, dude.
kangmin lee
Well, I do want to say one last thing.
ian crossland
I'm just a cross-dresser.
Blair said that one time.
kangmin lee
I think everything we just discussed, it really does remind me of why I hate feminism so much.
It really breaks the bonds that daughters have with their fathers and wives have with their husbands.
Where, you know, you go to any wedding ceremony, right?
The father walks the bride down the aisle and then hands her off to the groom.
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kangmin lee
And people are like, oh, it's symbolic.
No, it's literal.
It's literal because she goes from the protection of her father now to the protection of her husband.
But feminists have convinced a woman that, no, you don't need no man.
You do your thing, boss, babe.
You go queen.
It's like, no, like, even feminists say we shouldn't have to live in fear.
Yes, you shouldn't.
But the solution to bad men is not to put down men.
It's good men.
And no matter how much women try to convince themselves that they are as strong as men, as quick as men, like, no, like in any situation, men will always overpower women.
So the solution to women's safety and their flourishing is not to put down men and try to convince women that they can be like men and just make inferior versions of men out of women, but is to encourage and honor good men.
Say, hey, we encourage you guys.
We appreciate you guys.
And we honor you guys in how you guys look out for us and protect us.
And that is the solution, I believe, really, to all the gender debate where women need to uplift men and men need to be willing to protect and provide for women.
phil labonte
Yeah, absolutely.
That's a great point.
We're going to jump to this story here from the New York Post, right?
Yeah, from the New York Post.
Olympian Ellen Gu's decision to snub U.S. and ski for China is nothing short of a hypocrisy.
And I agree.
The champion, it's easy being Eileen.
Eileen Gu?
kangmin lee
Eileen, I think.
phil labonte
Eileen Gu.
The champion freestyle skier.
unidentified
She's half white.
davey jackson
Guys, we could fix her.
We could fix her.
phil labonte
She's happy.
The champion freestyle skier said the other day after she had to settle for a silver medal in an event at the Olympics that sometimes it feels like I'm carrying the weight of two countries on my shoulders.
Gu would be carrying the weight of only one country if she had chosen to represent her native USA at the games rather than a hostile totalitarian state.
Gu skis for China, a choice that is a little like deciding to represent a fascist country during the 1930s.
China is bent on undermining U.S. power and supplanting Western values.
It runs a gulag and has established a surveillance state that would make George Orwell blush.
elad eliahu
A little like a little bit of a sky.
I think she did this in the last Olympic as well, where she dissected.
serge du preez
Yeah, she did.
elad eliahu
I don't know if that's.
unidentified
I mean, I'd give her my goo.
serge du preez
Did you say dissect?
kangmin lee
She should have been the only thing on his mind.
elad eliahu
I think she's a dual citizen, but she, I don't know if China allows dual citizens, though.
I'd need to look into it.
kangmin lee
Yeah, so from what I know is that she is suspected to have dual citizenship.
I looked this up because this was obviously a huge point of controversy this week, especially among Asian Americans.
But it's suspected that she has dual citizenship, but China doesn't allow for dual citizenship.
So she hasn't publicly ever stated what her citizenship status is.
But we can suspect that she is a dual citizen.
elad eliahu
And I believe her mother is a Chinese woman and her father was an American.
kangmin lee
Opposite, I think.
Oh, because her last name's Gu.
Gu's not a white person.
elad eliahu
Oh, fact-check, true.
kangmin lee
Right.
But just the fact that she has openly stated in her statements, but also in her conduct at the Olympics by representing China, that her primary allegiance lies with China.
unidentified
Yeah.
kangmin lee
Therefore, yeah.
And regardless of what you think about China, right?
Regardless of what you think about China, her primary allegiance is to China.
That is a foreign state.
There is no reason for her to keep her American citizenship.
There's no reason why America should acknowledge her American citizenship because she has abandoned it.
So it's like, regardless of what you think about China, regardless of what you think about her politics, the reality is she abandoned her citizenship.
She is more aligned with and more loyal to China over America.
So she shouldn't be an American citizen.
phil labonte
This is a point that I make a lot.
And I wonder if it actually does have some kind of context with this particular story.
If you're a Chinese citizen or have family in China and you're in the United States, you are essentially a national security threat because China has no compunction with applying pressure to your family in China to get you to do something.
So I don't know for sure if, you know, I don't know that she does have that.
This is the situation, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the reason that she's skiing for China is because someone in China is like, you're going to ski for us or else we're going to throw your parents or your grandparents or your sister or what have you in jail if you don't.
And that's, like I said, I make this point a lot.
If you're a Chinese national here and you have family in China, you are a security threat because whether it be getting a job or studying in some college and some kind of high-tech field or whatever, like China has no problem doing everything they can to get you to engage in espionage on behalf of China.
elad eliahu
The implications of that would be huge.
As I understand right now, that's North Korea's MO.
I haven't heard as much of it come out for China.
This is definitely a bad example of dual loyalty.
However, I will say, I think she's just doing what's best for her career.
I think she's just a young, naive woman.
One side's Chinese and she probably has some affinity for it.
And the other side's American and she probably saw opportunity there.
davey jackson
She's probably getting sponsored by PRC.
elad eliahu
Oh, yeah.
She's probably taking up money.
davey jackson
You're going to get way more money.
elad eliahu
Look, China could use the metal.
Let's just say that.
They don't have a lot of great athletes over there.
And I will say this.
Right now we orient our military, orient our military, getting ready for a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
If every Chinese national in America becomes this sort of national security risk, I don't know really what that means for them and individual liberties in our country because I would kind of foresee another Japanese internment camp V2 if that were the case.
And that's something that could potentially not be too far off.
So something to consider.
We also have millions of Chinese Americans, patriotic Chinese Americans.
Also, many of the Chinese patriots that exist in our country were exiled for one reason or another from China.
So for example, the people at the Epic Times, the Fallen Gong, as I understand, or some sort of religious minority, among others that have been banned and kicked out from China.
But no, it's a major concern, and her lack of patriotism is disgusting.
And maybe we just deport her.
Don't let her back in.
davey jackson
There's no way she grew up in China, right?
kangmin lee
She grew up here.
davey jackson
Yeah, I mean, so it's just this posturing.
It's completely misguided because someone that grew up in China, I tour with Zhao Ying Summers.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
davey jackson
She's Chinese.
She's a U.S. citizen now, but she loves America.
phil labonte
She's stealing jokes for China.
davey jackson
She is not stealing jokes.
phil labonte
How dare you?
davey jackson
Your new name is Fildo after that one, dude.
That's what we're calling you.
But I mean, she loves, and she is so grateful for the opportunities here because she grew up in China.
She experienced that life.
I mean, she's ridiculous.
unidentified
This girl.
davey jackson
But ridiculous.
ian crossland
It says that she's believed to have dual citizenship, but you can't.
It's illegal in China to have dual citizenship.
You're either Chinese or you're not.
davey jackson
They get it, dude.
Meanwhile, we've got a mayor in New York City who still holds dual citizenship.
elad eliahu
Oh, he's if they get it in China, they're doing a pretty shitty job because I would never want my country to be anything like the Chinese society.
ian crossland
So I think she's an American citizen.
It's ambiguous that her citizens are talking about ambiguous.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, the thing is, China makes, you know, China does what's best for China.
So if it's good for China for her to have dual citizenship, then, you know, that's what Chinese is.
davey jackson
I need to go do a lot more research on goo, dude.
I need to look her up and do a deep dive on this.
elad eliahu
This happened in the last Olympics, too.
That's why we're familiar with her.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
I have a friend of mine from Utah.
I think he's from New York originally, but he literally lives in China and gets paid money to teach Chinese kids how to ski.
A lot of the Chinese kids are just gymnasts and they put skis on their feet and say, okay, now go flip that jump.
And he teaches them how to be that person.
So it's not like they have natural-born skiing talent in China that they have readily available to them.
So they have to look out.
They have to outsource, unfortunately, to Chinese Americans.
I think that's what we're seeing here.
And I agree.
Like, dude, if you're going to choose that, even though you have like haha, American Californian accent, you're going to choose to be Chinese.
Like, I mean, it's a pivotal point in history to doing that.
ian crossland
So here's a question ethically for you, Hangman.
If you were going to serve in the Olympics of some sort of your expertise in the U.S., you were like 70th rank, but you were number one in South Korea and they wanted to primary you, give you all the money, would you go play for South Korea?
kangmin lee
That's tough.
That's really tough because my situation is I was born in Korea and I was raised here in America, but most of my life I was a dual citizen?
No, no, I'm not.
So I was a Korean citizen, but then in college, I gave that up and I became an American citizen.
elad eliahu
By choice.
davey jackson
Hell yeah, dude.
Renounced his citizenship.
elad eliahu
By choice.
davey jackson
That's a real one right there.
kangmin lee
So it's a little complicated, though, because as I understand the world a little more and I develop in my political philosophy and my beliefs, my affinity for Korea inevitably grows.
Like as a right-winger, I believe in heritage.
I believe in ancestry.
I believe in inheritance.
I believe in these things.
And so when I think about my ancestry, well, I come from thousands of years in Korea.
I can trace my ancestry all the way back to my founder.
I actually visited his grave when I was in Korea last month.
And it's like, well, this is where I come from.
And so I'm still wrestling through whether or not I'm willing to give that up to fully commit to being an American because I love America and I really do.
And I, but I still understand that I'm an immigrant.
I'm a guest.
And so, you know, people always say, I say things like, oh, foreign nationals or foreigners should not hold political office in your country.
And they're like, oh, so you don't think you should be able to?
I'm like, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
kangmin lee
I don't think I should.
unidentified
I agree.
kangmin lee
I was born in a foreign country and I should not be able to hold public office in America.
phil labonte
People try that all the time.
Like, I don't think that vote, like the vote should be universal enfranchisement.
I think there should be like a real-wait.
elad eliahu
Let's rewind this.
phil labonte
No, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Ben, people always say, they're like, oh, what?
You don't think that you should be able to, would you give up your right to vote?
In a second, in a heartbeat.
Because if it meant that we were going to have a class of citizens that were like actually aware of what the three branches of government do and what their job is, those are going to be the people that were voting, as opposed to like every Tom Dick and Harry that, you know, thinks that they're going to vote for a king.
Then yes, I would absolutely give up my right to vote because I'm one of what, you know, 150 million people that can vote.
Your individual right to vote is not that valuable.
So sorry, go ahead, Alan.
elad eliahu
I think there's a lot of cope surrounding foreigners being in elected office in the United States.
I mean, I think it's extremely patriotic what you did.
You came from a different country.
You were born in a different country and you chose to abandon that citizenship because you embraced American values so deeply.
However, at the same time, you think, I don't know, we should reject people like you from holding elected office.
I think immigrants like you, people who, you know, chose to assimilate to the degree in which they did, is a good thing and kind of like the American dream.
And if you had the opportunity to run for office and the American people chose to elect you, then I think I don't see any issue with it.
We live in a democracy where people pick who their representatives would be.
And frankly, it's anti-American, as I understand.
We only have laws against the president not being an American-born person.
But as far as the rest of the elected officials go, Kingman, I think you can be one of them, even though you weren't born in the US of A. Dude, I've also struggled with this myself because I was born outside the United States and became an American as well.
serge du preez
Along with what a lot is saying, if you are become American, you have to learn a lot more about the country.
You have to learn how the system works, who did what when, basic history stuff that you need to know in order to properly represent America as an American, I would say.
And I've done all that stuff because I've had to do that.
I feel like it made me much more, I have much more affinity for America and I understand why America does these things and why America works this way.
And to be fair, we used to have civics classes, which we taught in this country, and we stopped that stuff.
And when we stopped that stuff, we've started to see way more people be like disenfranchised, feeling disillusioned with the country, feeling like, I don't really have anything to do with it.
So I think maybe it doesn't necessarily mean like we're more or less American than another person, but it does mean that like we care about this idea, which America is.
America is an idea and has always been an idea of other people from other backgrounds coming to bring forth the idea that all men are created equal under God.
unidentified
I think that's important.
kangmin lee
I get what you're saying, but I just fundamentally reject that America is an idea.
America, America is.
America is a people.
It is a people.
elad eliahu
If America is a people, are you included in it?
kangmin lee
Well, I'm an immigrant.
And so I think you can assimilate and have people become part of people.
serge du preez
It's a culture.
kangmin lee
It's like, it's like another analogy.
I always use Korea because, you know, Korea is, I'm Korean.
I come from Korea.
But, you know, let's say we have Korea, right?
And then a Japanese person comes and begins, you know, learns Korean, speaks Korean, and assimilates into Korea.
Is that Japanese person Korean?
No, absolutely not.
But if that Japanese person marries a Korean and then for many generations assimilates, and to the extent like they're indistinguishable from other Koreans, yeah, they're Korean, right?
So there are immigrants who can assimilate and for many generations.
elad eliahu
Well, they wouldn't be Korean.
It would be the offsprings down the line that you would perceive as being Korean.
Wait, so one more thing.
So if America isn't an idea and a people, isn't that exclusionary to people like you?
kangmin lee
Yeah, that's fine.
unidentified
Okay.
serge du preez
A culture, I think, as well.
When I say idea, I mean it's a culture because it's shared beliefs, it's shared like fundamental mores.
It's also people's home.
People who have been born here will live here.
I understand what that means.
I know exactly what that means.
I'm not trying to besmirch that in any way, but I am here to say like America is important.
I even posted my Twitter yesterday being like, you know, if it means that America becomes the shining city on a hill that it should be as this hope for humanity, I would be like the first on the boat going back, send me to South Africa, bro.
I'm out of here because I believe that America needs to succeed.
That's how much I feel the world needs.
It's so important.
phil labonte
The world needs the United States.
ian crossland
The world needs the U.S. humanity because we take people like you and put them on the boat.
And you too.
Like, we need you as an American citizen.
We need the best people on earth because we're trying to create the best government on earth.
So I think you're fully, I mean, maybe you an immigrant.
I think it's a, I don't mean fully, if you're fully American, dude, you probably understand civics better than I do.
kangmin lee
Yeah, here's, here's the thing.
Here's like you're one of us.
unidentified
Welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
kangmin lee
I appreciate it.
phil labonte
What do you mean by it?
elad eliahu
Wait, am I part of it?
kangmin lee
I don't know.
elad eliahu
I was born here.
I wasn't born in any foreign country like you too, immigrants.
kangmin lee
No, here's my point on this: where like America is a people.
And then so when you start to get away from this idea that America, and like you can say American is an idea, but then you look at the Constitution and who was the Constitution written for, who was the country built for?
It was their posterity, right?
And so, yeah, it's for Americans and their posterity.
So the posterity, the descendants of those who built America.
Now, you can have immigrants assimilate, yes, of course.
But the reality is, people like me, especially those who come from very different cultures.
And of course, there's a lot of similarities between the West and the East.
But you see this a lot with Somalian immigrants and African immigrants and Arab immigrants and all these things where, yes, you're going to have patriots, those who love America and very grateful for America, not only for its economic opportunity, but for what America stands for, its traditions, its customs, its history, its myth, its legends, its values.
People Like Me 00:04:29
kangmin lee
Yes, but I'm a rarity.
I am a rarity.
You know how many times I've been called a race traitor on the internet and online?
You know how many friends I've been.
elad eliahu
You Koreans have been the model minority, however.
kangmin lee
No, but the thing is, most Korean Americans don't think the way that I do.
And this is where Korean Americans are, even the ones who agree with me, are still a minority among most Korean Americans who, yes, Korean Americans who moved here, yes, they all agree with me.
But the children of Korean Americans, the second generation, the third generation, they largely disagree with me.
They are very left-wing.
Asian Americans, especially Asian American women, are the most liberal demographic in America by far.
So, yeah, so that's why I say it's like, if I, me not being able to run for office, prevents people like Maisie Hirono from being in office, absolutely, absolutely.
And I don't see anything wrong with that because those who should make the rules and enact legislation and lead the country should be Americans.
In the same way, I wouldn't want to see, you know, Indians or Japanese or all these different or white people, God bless all you guys, lead and be in parliament in Korea, in the National Assembly in Korea, be the president of Korea, things like that, right?
So, you know, people say I'm a self-haying immigrant.
No, like I love who I am, right?
I am Korean, but I'm so Korean American because I grew up in America.
So I'm an American, but I'm Korean.
So I'm still struggling through that identity.
elad eliahu
Well, you're ethnically Korean.
You're not a citizen of the ROK.
You're not an American citizen.
unidentified
Right.
kangmin lee
But anywhere I go in the world, right?
They'll instantly recognize me as Korean first.
When I go to Korea, they never speak to me in English first.
They speak to me in Korean first.
unidentified
Why?
kangmin lee
Because I look Korean and I in Korea, they view you still as a Korean.
ian crossland
Yeah, absolutely.
kangmin lee
Because it's just, that's who I am, right?
So I'm still struggling.
I'm still wrestling through this identity crisis that I have, but ultimately, I love America.
I love America.
I love its Christian foundation, the rich history that America has.
I do not apologize for America's history at all.
People say disavow this.
Yes, there were flaws in every nation's history, but I love America so much.
But at the same time, I recognize that I'm an immigrant.
I'm a guest, and I want America to be America as much as possible, which is America for its descendants.
And that's what I believe.
phil labonte
I don't want you voting, but at the same time, I don't want any of us voting either.
ian crossland
We vote.
We don't have an ethnicity in the U.S. That's the difference about this country, like almost every other country on earth, especially the older countries.
There's no ethnic thing to go back to.
kangmin lee
I do believe that there was an ethnogenesis in America at its founding.
I do believe that it was mainly West Africans and white Anglo-Saxon Protestants.
And that was the ethnogenesis of America where, yes, like those West Africans and the, you know, the foundational black Americans, they call themselves that, right?
But they, yes, they are Americans.
I believe that they are Americans, but there was a distinct ethnogenesis, I believe, in American history when at the foundation of America, it was white Anglo-Saxon Protestants and West Africans.
And now, doesn't mean that if you're not of those lineages, that you can never become American?
No, I don't believe that.
Like some of the greatest Americans in history have been like Italian immigrants and things like that, right?
But I think we have to be real.
I love the Italians.
The Italians are great.
davey jackson
It's funny you bring up Africans because I don't know if y'all notice, but I had to go take an extremely long pee break because of pool water.
unidentified
I noticed.
davey jackson
And while I was in there, I came up with the solution to all of this, guys.
This fixes everything.
We have to get Kangman a black wife so that he can then populate.
Hear me out.
So you can populate America with Blazians.
phil labonte
Dude.
elad eliahu
I think, if anything, we need more Eileen goose.
I don't know if we need more.
davey jackson
Imagine if Eileen Tiger Woods.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I don't know.
Do we need more Tiger Woods?
davey jackson
Well, Tiger Woods is a little different.
No, you just got to make sure you've got the right combos.
ian crossland
Mr. Ward.
davey jackson
Yeah.
Blazian babies.
How finding you a black wife?
That's what I'm saying.
elad eliahu
What do you think about that?
kangmin lee
Black women love me.
They love me.
I love it.
I love black women as well.
I just, I don't think I'd marry one.
unidentified
Whoa.
davey jackson
You're ruining the whole thing.
unidentified
I know.
kangmin lee
I'm sorry.
I'm ruining the joke about that.
elad eliahu
He can't even joke about dating.
davey jackson
If he doesn't like black women, he cannot wear a quarter turtle like that.
Absolutely not.
kangmin lee
Where's the correlation?
davey jackson
There's a direct correlation.
Confucian Roots and Respect 00:02:47
davey jackson
I think we all know.
phil labonte
Are you like your Korean wife?
elad eliahu
Don't you want to marry a real American black woman, you know, who is descended from a descendant of Spanish?
davey jackson
Look how well it turned out for Bill Bird.
unidentified
Maybe it's from the city.
elad eliahu
I think she's a Nigerian child.
phil labonte
I think she's a Trinidad.
kangmin lee
She's a Trinidad.
elad eliahu
So would you prefer?
ian crossland
I mean, we could go to super chats too.
I think we got a boatload of people that want to chime in, but like, would you marry like a Korean chick or like an American girl that's Korean heritage?
davey jackson
Would you put your goo in goo?
I mean, that's.
kangmin lee
Yeah, I wouldn't put my goo and goo.
davey jackson
Unbelievable.
elad eliahu
Yeah, what's wrong with you?
She's an American.
davey jackson
I'm no longer the gayest guy.
I am no longer.
ian crossland
The only other question I had, you don't have to answer the last question.
What's the biggest difference between American culture and Korean culture?
The number one.
phil labonte
Koreans.
ian crossland
That aside, because I find the imperialistic nature of Eastern Asia is very important in those cultures, but I'd like to hear what your thoughts are.
kangmin lee
I guess like American, I think this is kind of the distinction between America and the rest of the world.
But I think America is still very individualistic versus Korea is individualistic in certain regards, for sure, but they're still broadly collectivist.
And so there's so many things you can break that down into and different, how that manifests in different ways in society.
But I think that's one way.
Of course, you know, like the food we consume and the language we speak.
elad eliahu
Even bigger than that, Koreans are patriarchal.
They're a patriarchal society and a patriarchal people with deep respect for their elders and particularly the men.
That's completely lacking here.
I've had some Korean friends growing up, and that's one of the things that I really appreciated about their society and culture.
But it really can't be understated, their respect for like the actual patriarchy.
Here in America, that's what they're trying to tear down.
kangmin lee
It's because Confucianism was like the main religion before Japanese annexation.
And then during Japanese colonialism, Christianity like boomed.
And so Christianity became the dominant religion in Korea.
But because of the Confucian roots, like Confucianism is very big on filial piety and respecting your elders and your ancestors and very patriarchal.
So that's why.
But they're trying to do away with a lot of that in Korea.
ian crossland
Make a mistake.
kangmin lee
Because a lot of the liberals are like, oh, we live in a different era.
Times are different.
davey jackson
I think a lot of Americans need to travel to Asia.
Like when I went to Japan, right after I got caught in TSA with a pew pew in my backpack on accident, while I was there, what was shocking to me was the honor society.
I think that there's like this culture of honor, right?
Like you don't talk on public transit.
If you're on the bus or the train, you keep your voice down and everyone's very quiet.
They don't have public trash cans in Japan because your trash is your responsibility.
It's not on the public whatever to take care of that.
You got to take.
So there's this honor that I think we, dude, we need some of that.
elad eliahu
In America, when there's not a trash can around, people just throw shit on the floor.
Elite Class Dictates Discourse 00:04:14
davey jackson
Yeah, dude.
elad eliahu
In Japan, they don't have a trash bag.
They put it in their pocket and wait until they go home.
kangmin lee
Exactly.
davey jackson
We need some of that, dude.
kangmin lee
Yeah, you go to India, like trash is literally, it belongs on the floor in India.
But no, I think that's actually.
davey jackson
Some might say it's just trash.
kangmin lee
That's actually a good point because when I was in Korea, whenever I go to Korea, I can leave my laptop.
I can leave my belongings just anywhere.
I just leave it there.
I go to the bathroom.
I go do something else.
I come back.
It's there.
It's always there.
phil labonte
Same thing if you go to a ski resort in the United States.
kangmin lee
That's a because who's not a ski resort?
phil labonte
You know, well, I mean, it's the truth.
You see all this expensive equipment.
Everyone just leaves it around.
kangmin lee
That's true.
That's true.
unidentified
All right.
phil labonte
We're going to go to your Rumble rants and your super chats right now.
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But, anyways, we're going to go to your super chats and Rumble Rat Rumble rants right now.
Wyatt Claddenberg says, Don Lemon, journalist or political propagandist.
I think he's a political propagandist, my honest opinion.
I think that nowadays the left and the right have become so ossified and so separate that it's really hard to find people that are just telling you the news.
There might be some outlets out there that really do try to give you both sides of the story, but they're very few and far between, particularly because most people go to the internet for their news and they go to places that kind of feed them things that they want to hear generally.
elad eliahu
Do you guys have a different lines between activism and journalism is becoming increasingly blurred?
In my experience covering journalism, it's all activists with motivated reasoning with their journalism.
Why do you think people usually stumble upon the stories that they do?
It's because they're choosing to research into the things that they don't like.
So that line is getting scrubbed, not only on the left, but on the right as well, just writ large in our society.
kangmin lee
There's no such thing as impartial, unbiased journalism, though.
Everyone has a bias.
Everyone has their own personal beliefs that, you know, motivate them to do what they do.
Like you said, to look out for the stories and research the stories that they do.
And so there's no such thing as unbiased journalism.
Oh, real journalism is dead.
It's all propaganda.
It's all to a certain extent propaganda.
It's just a matter of we have to be able to discern what is truth and what is fiction and be able to kind of wade through, hey, like this person has a left-wing bias and this person has a right-wing bias and then just like get to the fullness of the truth.
davey jackson
I think people understand that all media is biased.
All journalism is biased.
And that's why you've seen this huge wave going towards independent journalists.
Because at least if I'm going to be getting biased news, let me get it from the people that I agree with or that agree with me.
And that's what's happening right now.
And I mean, whether you like it or not, it's kind of cool, you know.
But I always say you don't hate the media and you don't hate politicians enough.
kangmin lee
So true.
phil labonte
That's absolutely true.
ian crossland
Some people want to know what happened and then other people want to know how to feel about what happened.
That's a dangerous mindset.
If you ever find yourself wondering how you're supposed to feel about something, you probably don't need to hear about it from someone else.
kangmin lee
But that's the majority of people, though.
The majority of people want to know how to feel about what happened.
And that's just how people are because people, most people, even if they're politically inclined, they still defer to authority.
And because we are all beings to, we all are like, it's ingrained in all of us to be submitting to some sort of authority.
And we all, in our own lives, have authority figures that we all defer to in certain aspects of life or even like certain beliefs.
Like as Christians, they defer to their pastors, children, they defer to their parents.
Hassan Piker's audience defers to Hassan Piker, things like that, right?
So the reality is most people, and this is why we always have an elite class in society because the elite class end up being the people who are the ones who dictate the discourse and things like that.
Midterms and More Than Politics 00:12:04
kangmin lee
And then the rest of the populace are the ones who kind of follow along, whoever the leaders are.
And that's just how society is always structured.
davey jackson
It's just her mentality, baby.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Patriot Paladin says, I could go to another country, renounce my citizenship, gain new citizenship, take office, and subvert the will of the country.
I mean, that's why you can't become the president in the United States if you're not from the United States.
And I do think that that's a good argument for why people shouldn't hold office if they're a first-generation immigrant.
I mean, look, I know there are a lot of people that make us think about it one way or the other.
I don't honestly think that it's that big of a deal if you're like, look, if you're a first-generation immigrant, you can't become a politician.
It's not a big ask to be like, hey, wait until you're, you know, or you don't do it.
davey jackson
Your kids could, you know, I mean, or at least just renounce your other citizenship.
I mean, Ted Cruz, for as much as I dislike him, at least he renounced his Canadian citizenship.
phil labonte
He was always an American citizen because he was born to American parents, I'm pretty sure.
But he had dual citizenship and he was born in Canada.
So he had dual citizenship.
And he just renounced the Canadian citizenship.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know, I don't think that's a tall ask.
elad eliahu
Look, if you go to another country and you become a citizen of that country and they have a democratic process and vote you in, that's their problem.
I guess that's just how democracies work, in my view.
kangmin lee
I just defer to the founders.
I just want to go back to America a little more.
elad eliahu
I don't understand, Kingman.
The founders didn't say foreigners can't become citizens and then, you know, go through the Democratic absolutely.
Well, I guess the founding fathers didn't say most people who vote now can vote.
So I don't even know what I'm saying.
kangmin lee
Yeah.
I mean, most of the states, you had to be a Christian to hold.
elad eliahu
The founders would not recognize the country that we stay in at all.
50 states.
What are we talking about?
Like the expansion of power, the Supreme Court, judicial review.
What are we talking about?
davey jackson
Imagine if you showed a founder hentai.
Oh, my God.
They'd be like, blow their mind, dude.
phil labonte
They'd be like, this is blasphemy.
You're going to hell.
You need to go to church.
Go to church.
Let's see.
Is this an actual Dom 117 says, in Tim Cass tradition, my wife started labor for our fourth and final child, Ellwyn?
She said she'll say hi sometime tomorrow.
Everyone else needs to catch up if we are to beat the commies.
Absolutely.
Congratulations.
unidentified
Have those babies.
phil labonte
Bringing another patriot into the world.
Absolutely.
Get it done.
Let's see.
We got another one, Decepticon Brian, I think it is.
My wife and I are in the delivery room waiting on our first boy to be born.
Our wonderful and joyous blessing, Gabriel Griffin.
Excited to be a father and raise another patriot.
God bless Tim Cat's crew.
davey jackson
All right, let's go.
I like the alliteration on the name too: Gabriel Griffin.
unidentified
Yeah.
davey jackson
Gigi?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
I hope the last name isn't Alan.
It doesn't start with a G. Definitely not Gigi Allen.
Let's see.
Excuse me.
Angry Old Man says, Squeeze the Lemon by Daniel Plissark, available on all platforms.
I guess it's an ad for his, hopefully his book.
I don't know.
Squeeze the Lemon.
Chief Corey Anderson says the DOJ should get information off of Lemon's phone, drop charges against him, then release a press release thanking him for his help and cooperation.
Two birds, one zone.
No one would trust Lemon.
I mean, like, yeah, if they're just like, hey, he was our guy from the start.
No, I wasn't.
No, I wasn't.
You know, he'd be tossed under the bus.
davey jackson
He'd be ostracized.
phil labonte
They're throwing Will Stansel under the bus.
davey jackson
His white husband would divorce him, dude.
kangmin lee
I feel so bad for that guy.
unidentified
I don't.
ian crossland
What's this, Will Stancil?
phil labonte
Will Stansel's a leftist and he's been a very vocal leftist and pushing basically every leftist idea that you could possibly have.
unidentified
Guess what?
serge du preez
It wasn't enough.
phil labonte
No, it wasn't enough.
No, no.
kangmin lee
He was attacked by Ice People.
serge du preez
It wasn't enough.
phil labonte
He was physically attacked.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Dude, if you can't be like, if you can't be Will Stancil and that's still not left enough, like, yo, they're coming for you.
phil labonte
I mean, but to your point, though, like, it's not enough.
Like, as soon as someone believes that you have somehow become a traitor, which we were talking about earlier, then they ostracize you and they attack you, you know, with the full force of the left because they look at you as a traitor.
davey jackson
Look what happened to Stephen A. Smith and Van Jones.
unidentified
Oh, true.
davey jackson
The comments that they made around Charlie Kirk, I mean, they went after those guys.
phil labonte
The left is absolutely ruthless.
And in today's climate, when violence is so accepted on the left, you know, just being on the left, you're in danger.
And this is part of the reason why canceled culture works so well.
The first people that were getting canceled before it started making its way into the broader society were people on the left.
If you were in these niche groups or whatever, you said the wrong thing.
People would pile on you.
davey jackson
Have you followed the Scotty K Fitness thing at all?
phil labonte
I have followed that a little bit.
davey jackson
I don't want to derail or anything.
That's a perfect example of what you're talking about.
He put himself in this echo chamber and then come to find out, ooh, he's got a little bit of a background.
So now, I mean, he's just crumbling.
phil labonte
And they're more ruthless than the right will ever be.
They are absolutely ruthless.
They will go after you in every way they can.
They'll dox you.
davey jackson
The right's going after their own too now.
I mean, I've experienced it.
unidentified
Yeah.
davey jackson
Just because I didn't condemn bad bunny.
Just like, oh, well, I'm going to unfollow you.
ian crossland
I mean, starboard comments on the internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
What was that?
ian crossland
AI, garbage comments.
If the people you're thinking of are just comments, don't trust any of it.
But any of it.
They might even be real people.
They might not.
davey jackson
Some of them were real people.
phil labonte
But to your point about like, oh, well, I'm going to unfollow you and stuff.
That's the extent of it.
It's like, all right, so people are going to leave nasty comments on your ex account.
That's not the same thing as like, we're going to your house.
You know what I mean?
And that's the stuff that the left does.
The left shows up at your house.
They'll protest.
You know, you as a comic, they would protest your show.
davey jackson
Oh, it happened to me in New York, dude.
I canceled all my shows in New York because I made a joke about Muhammad.
Peace be upon him, obviously.
But it wasn't forever.
serge du preez
Piss be upon him, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
davey jackson
Whoa, hey, look, I'm Olive Snack Bar, guys.
Aloha snack, whatever it is.
ian crossland
You know, it sort of indicates like maybe those are the bad guys, the people that turn on each other.
And you would see like if you could step back from the whole game of humanity and be like, okay, I think that's the bad.
Those are the evil people.
No, but that everybody's evil or bad, but like the people that will turn on each other because they're not in lockstep are pretty much the Decepticons.
kangmin lee
Like you see, Ian, they call themselves the good guys.
phil labonte
Yeah.
kangmin lee
So they can never be the bad guys.
They call us the bad guys.
So we are always the bad guys.
So no matter what they do, they're the good guys and they are never evil and we are always evil no matter what we do.
davey jackson
Dude, get a black wife already.
My God, bro.
unidentified
Unbelievable.
ian crossland
You have to disassociate from good and evil and bad and good and like stop playing that game.
Because if you play that game, there's always going to be a bad guy.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that I disagree with you because I think there always is going to be a bad guy.
Because I mean, look, I'm not a Christian, but I believe there's something in the Bible that says that good and evil run straight through the heart of man, right?
Like men can be, like human beings, are imperfect.
And if you give in to your more base instincts and your sinful instincts, you can become evil.
And even a good person can do evil.
davey jackson
You can stop preaching at me about the pegging thing, dude.
phil labonte
All right.
davey jackson
I get it.
phil labonte
All right.
Ifirion 275 says, Lod, the whole martyr thing with Lemon, I think, was a complete setup just so he could pull that card.
Following his firing from whatever news network, along with the virtual fail of his show podcast, martyrdom is his new meal ticket rise to relevance.
elad eliahu
And the administration played right into it, if that is the case.
So it kind of sucks, but it's still a bitch to have the DOJ rifling through your shit.
And I wouldn't wish it upon any of my buddies.
So they still have to get a lawyer and there'll still be legal fees that are associated with him.
But again, we wouldn't be talking about him and nobody in the news would be talking about him otherwise if he didn't get charged.
ian crossland
I'll be honest.
I hope we never talk about him again.
I'm not, I mean, I don't hate the guy.
Him on the show, but I don't want to glaze this guy and make him famous if we don't have to.
elad eliahu
We should bring him on the show.
I'm sure he'd decline for sure we've invited him.
serge du preez
He'd ask us a fee, and then when we didn't pay the ridiculous exorbitant fee, he'd say, Oh, they didn't want to play ball.
elad eliahu
All right, screw it.
We'll invite his husbands.
serge du preez
Hey, there we go.
phil labonte
Kimberly says, My husband Aaron and I are celebrating 11 years married today.
Congratulations.
Years ago, I became incredibly liberal and liberal, and it almost ruined our marriage.
Thankful for my husband who led me out of it.
The liberal woman's circle is a cult.
davey jackson
True.
elad eliahu
I'm glad you made it out with your breast intact.
phil labonte
Yeah, not only that, but I'm glad you survived.
I'm glad you made it out with your marriage intact because if it wasn't for the fact that you have a good husband, he might have decided to boot you or not tolerate it or whatever.
But good on you for changing your mind and good on your husband for working through that.
elad eliahu
Politics ending marriages insane.
I don't even know what the fuck to say.
davey jackson
That is so crazy because I was literally thinking that as he was, because the liberal women's circle would have wanted her to leave her husband because he is a fascist, obviously, right?
And that is so toxic and poisonous, but I see it constantly.
Dude, threads is a hell sky, dude.
phil labonte
It is a hell.
And it's not just threads, but like the blue sky is just as I have not even been on it.
It is a sexy.
kangmin lee
Oh, but threads is the worst.
The worst came after me on threads.
And I kid you not.
He just had all of his little bot followers.
unidentified
Oh my gosh, he owed you.
kangmin lee
Oh my gosh, look at him.
unidentified
ODU.
kangmin lee
And I was like, oh my gosh.
And then on X, right?
He gets completely destroyed in his replies.
And then I ratio him and on X.
So it's like, once you allow conservatives to speak, it's like fair game.
We're going at each other.
But the threads, like they continuously throttle conservatives.
And then it's just all these things.
davey jackson
Well, that's shifting, though.
I think that was like an early thing.
And now it's starting to shift a little, but it's still a dystopian hellscape.
kangmin lee
Oh, it's all on threats.
elad eliahu
I think also in some relationships, people replace familiar, like their family with politics and the people involved in politics.
And it's just not a match to be replaced with.
Also, I think as people get older, and if they are divorced, then they'll encourage other people in happy.
They'll become more political first once you get divorced because you have nothing else to do with your life.
And then you'll kind of like encourage the people in your sexes to divorce the other one for political reasons.
davey jackson
Yeah.
elad eliahu
And it's just all very sad and unfortunate.
Stay married to your significant others as much as you can, of course.
kangmin lee
These online communities, that's why they're so dangerous, especially the left-wing ones that radicalize you.
Because like you said, they replace your natural affections and bonds with your family and your immediate community with online ones, with strangers, most of the times whose names and faces you don't even know.
unidentified
It's just a digital cult.
elad eliahu
That's all it is.
unidentified
Exactly.
davey jackson
That's crazy.
phil labonte
MSU 15 says, worried Taiwanese American here.
Many people aren't voting midterms because Epstein are discontent.
CCP is only afraid of Trump and his team.
Trump losing the midterms means a win for the CCP and a loss for Christians.
Look, I agree.
And I think that it's super important to vote.
People love to say, oh, this isn't the most important election in your life.
They always say it's the most important election in your life.
It always is.
The reason it always is is because we live in linear time.
The previous elections you can't go and do anything about.
And the elections in the future, you can't do anything about.
The only thing you can do is vote in the election right now.
So yes, it is the most important election ever because it's the one you can vote in right now.
It's the one you can actually affect.
elad eliahu
I think we just had a Republican from Florida in Congress resign.
So now there's truly a one-seat majority, depending on how you count Massey.
The Republicans are in deep shit and they're going to lose the midterms inevitably, not only because the Republicans are demoralized right now, but because that is the trend following one party winning the presidential.
The other party usually comes back in the midterms.
We will see endless investigations and impeachments once Republicans lose the majority.
So we're in for a very annoying lame duck second half of the Trump presidency.
phil labonte
Founding father 1776 says, I'm 30 and my fifth baby, Luca, arrived at 7:15 a.m.
Amen.
Kongman Lee's Musical Shout-Out 00:01:57
phil labonte
Awesome.
elad eliahu
I'm 32 with relentless.
davey jackson
That guy could pull out of a wet paper bag.
unidentified
That's it.
elad eliahu
That's it.
And five, and on women do that many anymore.
unidentified
Five.
phil labonte
And on that note, smash the like button, share the show with all your friends.
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Do you have anything you want to shout out?
kangmin lee
Yeah, God bless you all.
Thank you all for tuning in.
Remember that Jesus Christ is King and Lord over all, and He loves you very much.
My name is Kongman Lee.
I talk about politics, culture, theology, all those things.
On my socials, you can find me at Kongman J. Lee, K-A-N-G-M-I-N-J-L-E-E.
I couldn't do spelling there.
Spent too much time in Korea.
Just catch me there.
Gonna come out with more YouTube content soon, and I stream every Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 11 p.m. Eastern.
davey jackson
Nice.
Yeah, Davey Jackson, come to a stand-up comedy show.
But more importantly, go check out my YouTube.
I did a documentary about Dearborn, Michigan.
Just do like go to my channel and search Dearborn Undercover.
It's really, really cool.
ian crossland
Follow me at Ian Crossland, YouTube, Instagram, and X. Go to graphene.movie.
Check out the new documentary that I've been producing.
It's going to be great.
The trailer's out now.
You can sign up for the mailing list and get that.
Remember, too, now is the most important moment you will ever have.
And that is always the case.
Tomorrow, it's still right now.
So take advantage of this moment.
elad eliahu
Good evening, everybody.
I hope you enjoyed the episode.
I am Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
Shabbat shalom to everybody who observes.
Me and Serge are about to go get Shabbat dinner at a Waffle House, baby.
Let's go.
phil labonte
And I am Phil that Remains on Twix.
The band is All That Remains.
You can check us out at allthatremainsonline.com.
We're going on tour starting in April on the 29th in Albany.
We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes.
You can check out the music at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify, and Deezer.
Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
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