THEY FINALLY DID IT | Timcast IRL #1447 w/ Jack Posobiec
Jack Posobiec joins Timcast to mock the GOP’s support for the SAVE America Act, a voter ID bill Democrats falsely claim disenfranchises women, despite 70–80% of them favoring it. They critique AI-generated content—like 11 Labs’ voice cloning (flawed on Posobiec but perfecting others) and viral deepfakes—while dismissing Nielsen’s TV ratings as inflated compared to Timcast IRL’s 43,000 concurrent streamers. Posobiec argues Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl halftime show was a globalist provocation, contrasting it with Kid Rock’s faith-driven performance, which he claims drew 85 million views when accounting for TV audiences. The episode ends questioning whether movements prioritize ideological attacks over evidence, like Epstein-related controversies targeting Steve Bannon while ignoring others, and warns of AI’s potential to weaponize misinformation. [Automatically generated summary]
Despite the fact, the polls show that around 70 to 80% of Democrats are in favor of voter ID.
And literally any sane, rational person thinks if you're going to vote, you should have an ID to prove it.
But for some reason, it's only the Republicans who really want this.
Again, despite the fact that the voter base across the board agrees you need it.
So I have a question for everybody.
Feel free to comment and let me know what you think.
Why do Democrats not want to have voter ID?
Well, the reason they're giving is that it would ban women from voting.
Guys, you've already convinced me we need voter ID.
You don't need to sell me anymore.
I'm kidding.
But that's their argument.
Democrats are arguing that this would block women from voting.
If that were true, conservatives would vote twice as hard and they'd rally substantially more.
I'm kidding again.
Calm down.
It's not correct.
It's a nonsense argument.
They're saying because you need an ID to vote.
This means women who are still using their maiden names but have legally changed it can't vote.
And let me just tell you, it's the stupidest thing I ever heard.
Anybody who's married know that's also very stupid.
And yeah, whatever.
So we're talking about that.
Plus, we've got crazy news.
Mexican cartel drone incursion near El Paso shutting down the airport.
Some conflicting reporting where CBS is, I think it was CBS reporting, that it was actually a balloon, but we've got still more reporting from credible sources that, no, this is a Mexican cartel drone incursion shutting things down.
So we're going to talk about that.
And then we've got Joe Rogan's reaction to the Epstein email files where he was invited to meet Epstein.
One of his guests was trying to get him to meet Epstein, and Rogan was like, what?
Are you nuts?
And he's talking about it.
So it's actually pretty interesting.
We'll get into all that stuff.
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There's an M that should be like a K. Yo, but let me tell you, like, there was an old Asian lady next to me when Bad Bunny came out and she was like, what is this?
And I thought it was funny.
I'm like, bro, I had a Latino guy in front of me.
I had two Asian ladies next to me.
I had an old white guy.
And everyone agreed, like, we don't know what Bad Bunny is.
Here's a story from CNBC: The Save Act House advances Trump-backed voter ID bill.
The Save America Act, supported by President Donald Trump, would require proof of citizenship to register to vote and a photo ID at the ballot box.
The legislation would make it harder to vote.
Democrats and voting rights groups warn and has been the subject of a pressure campaign from the White House congressional GOP hardliners and right-wing influencers.
I just can't.
I can't even with this.
Now that the bill has advanced out of the House, it has slim odds of passing in the Senate where 60 votes are needed to overcome a filibuster.
I am, let me just say this.
The Republicans need to just get rid of the filibuster.
Just goodbye.
And I also want to stress this.
The fact that CNBC is putting in these caveats of like Democrats say it'll make it harder to vote.
If you want to fly in this country, if you want to have right of mobility to be able to fly on an airplane, you need either a passport, which requires all sorts of identification to get, or one of the real IDs, which is also requiring birth certificates.
And by the way, if you got married, you have to show your marriage certificate, which this is crazy, by the way, because my wife, you know, I tested this out.
I married her.
She changed her name to my name.
Like this was all a big voter ID test.
And then I was like, okay, were you able to figure out how to vote?
I look, I don't like the idea of like cops stopping everybody in like papers, please, but it's not that big a deal for a cop to be like, you know, we're just, we're looking for somebody of an ID.
I saw a list of the countries that require an ID to vote.
It's like 100 of them.
Like, it is the most normal thing in the developed world to say, we've got to see an ID to make sure that you are who you are and that you're eligible to vote.
The only reason to not, and everybody's been saying this, you know, ubiquitously on X, but the only reason to not is because you're looking for ways to cheat.
Media Matters took my quote and ran with it as if I'm racist.
I said, it's not racist.
Not every depiction of a stereotype is racist.
The intention matters.
My point is, could you imagine if it's like, hey, guys, for lunch day at the office, I'm ordering a whole bunch of Buffalo Wild Wings, but not for the black employees because that would be racist.
Did you believe what Tim Poole did?
He ordered a bunch of fried chicken and then he has black employees eating them.
I'm like, yes, because everybody loves it.
It's not racist.
Okay.
Someone making a meme video where there's a bunch of Democrats on the faces of animals does not mean that Trump intentionally depicted the Obamas only as apes and then insulted them as if they were.
That would be racist.
And this is the reality we get.
So anyway, I bring that up only because we point that, as Kathy Hochul says, black people don't know how to use computers.
A black person made a video of him pretending to be like a monkey confused by a computer.
I think we should just say to the Democrats, you know, you are right.
Women aren't that smart.
Right.
And that's a problem.
Maybe they shouldn't vote then.
If the argument from Democrats is that women don't know how to change their names, which is like a standard thing every woman does when they get married, then every good woman.
The funniest thing about this, too, though, is that when you look at, when you look at actual demographics in just any post-election poll, any exit poll, you're going to see married women typically tend to vote more Republican to begin with.
And, you know, I don't know if you've seen the whole controversy with AI, Scott Adams.
It's like this whole, it's huge back and forth thing.
Well, let me say the first part for that where he used to say that the way the way you can defeat bad arguments is through like aggressive agreement with them.
Yeah.
Just aggressively agree with everything and then push it as far as possible.
These maggots are trying to take women's right to vote away.
Now you have rapport.
This lowers their defenses and they say, oh, okay, this person's a liberal.
They're like me.
You then offer them the extreme, which is, you know, women just aren't smart.
Their IQs are lower than men's.
Men are smarter.
And the Republicans, they're trying to take away women's right to vote because they know women are just generally not that intelligent relative to men, of course.
Liberal can't agree with that.
So now you've entered their arguments on their side and then made a point in their argument they cannot agree with, creating an extreme.
Then when they say, well, I don't know about all of that, you give them what's called the turn, which is a solution in your direction where you say, okay, well, I guess you're right.
I mean, women are smart enough to figure out how to vote even with an ID.
You, I agree.
So once again, you're agreeing with them, but you've inverted their point by pushing them too far.
That was, we, we had this back in, I want to say it was 2020 or 2021 when, you know, like peak woke era, my church at one point, for whatever crazy reason, had put out this email and they were saying, oh, we're going to be setting up like a racism council at the church.
And so, and I remember, I was like talking to my buddy and I was like, is there like a, is there like a racial problem at the church?
Like, or people not sitting.
And we are not.
We are certainly not.
And, you know, like, are we not sitting close enough together?
But then I was like, then I was like, at the same time, I was like, you know what?
The best thing to do here was like, so I volunteered to lead it.
I want to lead the race.
And I was like, this is going to be great.
I'm going to create all these rules and like strictly enforce them that if you're, if you're like a white family and you're not sitting close enough to a family of color, like there's going to be a problem.
And I come out with like a like a yardstick and be like, oh, this is not close enough.
And he had said a number of times that he had wanted his, you know, his likeness to be used publicly.
And he said, and he said a couple of times, like many times over the years, that I want to be the first AI entity that goes on in perpetuity.
And so someone actually took him up on it.
However, towards the end, when he knew his health was fading, he did also come out and say, I'm not sure if I want to do this anymore because I don't know if AI is ready for it.
And so he said, you know, maybe we just do something where it's like a Scott Jr., a son of Scott, but it's not actually me.
And so there's this huge controversy over it because the estate has asked him to stop, but the guy is going to those other, you know, permissions when he gave them on air and saying, well, look, he said this so many times.
And so what's crazy, though, is it on X or something?
It's yeah, if you just AI Scott Adams on X and no spaces or anything.
And what's crazy, though, is the guy has the AI Scott Adams debating whether or not he should exist.
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That it can't replicate my speech patterns, cadence, or sound of my voice, because if it could, I could just have Tate do everything for me forever and I could just leave with my chickens and he could literally just go on Grok and be like, write a Tim Pool script.
Then he can upload it to 11 labs and click send.
And then it would just be a video of me every morning.
So we were actually looking at AI services because we were like, hey, if we do, you know, Timcast Spanish, Timcast French or whatever, it might not be a ton of viewership, but viewers are viewers.
And then we actually got some samples because they're automated services.
You just upload it and press go and it's done.
And my mouth is moving in Spanish.
And I'm like, oh, let me amigos.
And then we decided not to do it because YouTube automatically integrated AI.
Well, the one other one, and of course he said no, but when Bannon went to jail in 2024, we pointed out that we could create an AI Bannon to do War Room while he was adamantly opposed.
He hates AI.
He's like, it's all the Antichrist.
He doesn't want it at all.
It's all demonic.
He's actually, I believe, if I remember correctly, all AI, even Zuno, is banned from War Room.
And then what you do is you use a video generator and you just say, I got to be honest, you could get one of these agents like Phil's talking about and say, I need a 20-minute long video based on this script, show examples and articles.
It will pull them.
It will do it for you.
Like, we're there, bro.
It's now.
We were screwing around with Project Genie earlier and we made the Ice Agent Minneapolis video game.
We literally, you can't beat the protests or anything like that.
I said, write a script about AI advancement in the style of Tim Pool.
And it didn't really get it right because it started with, all right, so here's what's happening.
I never do that.
I always just press record and I go, over the last few years, artificial intelligence has just improved.
It's accelerated.
I don't mean marginal upgrades.
I mean exponential shifts in capability.
Systems that once struggled to complete basic sentences are now writing code, generating realistic video, analyzing legal documents, diagnosing medical images and operating autonomous systems in real time.
In the early 2020s, AI models were mostly reactive tools.
You give them a prompt, they produce text, that was it.
Now we're seeing multimodal systems, models that can understand, this is crazy.
I don't need, I could, you know what I'm gonna do?
I'm just gonna go in the 11 labs and I'm gonna be like, I'm Tim Poole, here's my voice, hit me, and then I'm gonna take this and I'm gonna be like, write a 20-minute long script.
And then I'm gonna, here's, here's the issue.
There are channels already doing this.
They'll generate 40-minute long news reports.
They'll take like 10 news articles, load them into an AI and say, convert these stories into a single news podcast.
Then they'll do one of these fake person generators and they'll get like a young looking woman and she'll just be sitting there and it looks like she's in a bedroom and she'll be saying like, hey guys, so recently Mexico announced that they were going to resist any effort from the Trump administration and then they uploaded these videos get like 800 views.
That's nothing, but they're uploading tens of thousands of them per week and they're getting an estimated like I there was one video announce I saw someone posted the back end on their channel is 150k and they did because they were trying to market their service saying I can teach you how to make this money off YouTube.
The problem is just like with X, it means all of the YouTubers revenue is dropping dramatically.
This is going to result in a world where only Ubiquiti sponsors are going to make money.
So let me explain.
So for us, for us on Timcast.rl, a large portion of the money we make comes from programmatic advertising.
This is an advertiser goes on Google Ads, says, I want to run an ad.
Google then says, let's put this ad on a series of videos.
If these people are spam blasting massive amounts of videos, the ad dollars going into Google will always be around the same amount.
It probably grows a little bit as the market's shifting.
But with this exponential increase in AI content, the share is being spread out.
So where we used to make X amount of dollars, we are now going to make X minus 20% because the share is being divvied up.
Indians got on X, created a bunch of accounts, paid for verification, and then started mass replying to each other.
They would say, good day, good day, good day.
How are you?
I'm good.
And you, I'm fine.
And the replies are what generates revenue.
All of a sudden, people noticed their payments were dropping dramatically.
People then found this network, complained to X, and said, these are fake accounts, not making real content or engagement, and they're pulling money out of the pool for actual creators.
X said, okay, we're going to fix this.
The problem we have right now, YouTube needs to ban AI generated content like this.
There are places where it's good.
Like there's that YouTube channel, shout out to Skybrows, who made that Elon Musk song.
That's great work.
He used AI video and AI music to make a great music video, and that's good, and he deserves to get paid for that.
But taking news articles, AI generating a 40-minute news podcast, and then spam blasting them on X, that should be banned.
And one of the other things that I've thought of as well, and I've tweeted this a few times, is, look, X is a global site, of course, but not all companies are global.
And obviously, consumers are not global, right?
Customers are not global.
Customers are a physical person who lives in a physical place.
So wouldn't it make sense then that if you're an advertiser, if you're trying to target a certain market, you're not trying and you don't want your ad going to different countries.
You could choose, obviously, where you want your ad to run.
But then also, also, that if your traffic is from another country, then shouldn't the advertisers, advertising go out at the rate of the market rate in that country versus your own country?
Bro, have you seen the video of the old Indian guy, the old bald Indian guy saying, my wife thinks I'm a successful businessman, but I actually use AI to make an OnlyFan with 1.3 million?
And he's in a suit and he's going like this.
And then it shows the AI rendered video of a young girl in a skirt dancing.
So did you see the video of the guy in his car screaming, so I took that and then I took a picture of Adam Johnson, the lectern guy, and I made him doing it.
And it was hilarious.
I didn't post it.
I just thought it was funny.
But again, for all you know, that, you know, these young Gen Z guys, those girls they're gooning to, are guys.
If energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed, then when we imagine in our minds a story, we are not imagining, we're actually seeing into an alternate reality.
The energy already exists.
We can't create it.
The patterns of those systems already exist.
So this Goku versus Monkey D. Luffy actually happened in some alternate reality with his mushy fist.
But thinking that you think about it, though, think about the amount of people and time it would take just a couple of years ago to make something like this.
Robo Bo V. So they give you 60 seconds in whatever rendered world you get, and then you can save the video of the gameplay.
Now, I can tell you this.
They could, if they wanted to, give us the ability to add fighting and a whole bunch of other mechanisms.
The reason I know is because not only can you make a game where you're Robocop, you can also make driving games, you can make flying games, and I rendered Planet Namek with the character Goku.
That's from Dragon Ball Z.
And I had Goku running around and he jumped.
I then accidentally pressed spacebar again, and Goku did a like, yeah, not his face.
He almost started flying, and it showed a burst of energy come out of Goku as if it could have done it, but then it stopped him, froze, and then aired.
It's about in the future, a group of black people are angry that white people stole their artifacts, so they go on a heist to steal it all from museums.
It had 57 players at peak on today's launch.
So my point is, everyone's been complaining about how bad video games are.
I don't think Gemini has the emotional intelligence to understand why it should not render this, but it's going to be like, I don't see anything wrong with it.
You, you know what you still need the individual for is for that creative spark at the beginning.
Because I don't, I, I, it doesn't know why a Templar in Dearborn is interesting and going to be, but it doesn't know that why there would there be a market for that.
Why would people care about that?
So you still, right, you still need an trouble?
I know, right?
Well, no, here's you're going to get in trouble for that.
And, you know, when we put out a bunch of songs, and every time we do, for some reason, they gave us a fake reason why they weren't going to track it.
They weren't going to put it on Billboard.
And it's all political.
When we did a press release for one of our song releases, we got back emails from these major newspapers, like the press release saying, you know, Tim Poole released a song with Pete Parada.
The song is titled This.
They replied back with Go F Yourself, stuff like that.
I'll tell you that in putting together the halftime show, we ran up against this as well.
And there were times where we went up for venues or certain times.
And, oh, we're not going to work with you because you're turning point or, you know, you have to imagine people are, you know, don't want to go up against the NFL, don't want to go.
And I'm looking at it going, well, I don't want to respond to this, but he's obviously not dropped out because he's the star of this story went up just before the Super Bowl.
It's a separate thing, which, and by the way, again, though, this is how the industry was working to chop block us at every turn, working to, you know, oh, we're not going to give you these rights.
We're not going to give you those rights.
You can't broadcast on this song on X. You can't do this.
You can't do that.
And then suddenly they put pressure on, okay, Kid Rock thinks he's going to go up against the Super Bowl halftime show.
Well, we're going to put pressure on bands to cancel his tour.
We're going to cancel the dates.
We're going to cancel the festival.
Anything they could.
And in despite of that, we still get 40, 50 million.
Well, keep in mind, though and this is something where, like so, when people are comparing the numbers, that and Tim, I know you understand this that they're actually comparing apples to oranges, because our views on youtube and our views from our cable partners and over the top and fast networks, etc.
Those are devices, whereas Nielsen is completely different right, Nielsen uses a formula where they assume, and and and I I kind of agree with this they say, well, nobody really watches the Super Bowl by themselves.
It's typically at a party or something, and so what they do is they take the household number and they times it by three, yep where.
So, when you're reading Nielsen ratings, it says that whereas what?
And then they'll say, and turning point got 20 million views on their youtube channel.
It's like well, first of all, we had more than one stream up and, second of all, and there are parties and there are bars.
Yeah, those were parties, those were bars, that were anyone with the youtube tv set, I mean the one I was at, we had like 30.
This has been a long-standing challenge for us on Timcast IRL, because right now we have let's see, between Youtube and Rumble, we have about 45 uh.
We have 43 44 000 concurrent stream uh viewers, the.
The issue is when we sell against this and we say like oh, you know, the show is going to get 600, 700 000 uh views.
There's a difference between a show like ours, which is live 8 to 11 p.m every day, and a vod which is watched on mobile.
About half our viewers watch on tvs, and so one thing I noticed very early on was that it seemed disproportionate the amount of people who knew about the show and talked to me, and I didn't understand.
Until we actually figured out, talking with some industry execs who said oh, it's because you're a tv show.
Timcast Irl is watched on a large lot of televisions right yeah, there's four or five people in that room and I went, oh, we had advertisers right, so we had advertisers say to us we heard this for like two years, you, you overperform.
You have 600 000, 700 000 viewers.
We'll buy an ad from you and it performs as though it's a million.
We love advertising on your show and we sell ads like crazy.
The reality is we're underselling because the metrics used online are seemingly a device, even if it's actually multiple people.
So here's the.
Here's a challenge for you Jack, and here's what you guys should say.
In fact, here's what you really should do, go into your, go into the channel's metrics and look how many mobile devices and how many tvs and for every tv, do the Nielsen analysis.
So if you guys have 40 tvs, call that you got 45 million.
Let's say, 20 times three is 60.
That puts you at 85 million views for the Tp Usa halftime show.
Let me, let me just throw this to you, because we mentioned this on the show When it happened or the day after, which advertiser out there, which would you prefer?
I can hold up a sign that someone will walk past, or I can hold up a sign to a group of people who are looking to come and stare at the sign.
Well, here's something interesting as well, because I didn't really watch a lot of the commercials, but one of the ones that I did catch was, and I guess there's been a series of these, Duncan with like Ben Affleck.
And this is like the third year that he's done an iteration of this.
So did you notice that they brought back a lot of the 90s sitcom characters for this one?
Oh, really?
So like Jason Alexander comes in from Seinfeld.
And I think I want to say they had David Schwimmer from Friends came in and Jennifer Andiston.
Still alive?
It was maybe it was Matt LeBlanc, the Joey.
And point being is they were going for that 90s nostalgia in this one piece.
But here's the twist, right?
So you're going for that, that 30 to 44 age demo that's out there, like your 80s, early 90s kids.
But what's amazing is who's Kid Rock's key demo is the people in that same age range.
No, certainly not Ben Bunny.
Bad Bunny's demo was, because that was globalist, right?
But the reason they had, so just to finish my point, we had Kid Rock.
So we were not only did we get the views that we got, but we were also cutting into that key demo that they were looking for, which it wasn't something that we really intended to do.
But, you know, thinking about it now, because we're talking ratings, we're talking numbers, we're talking all this stuff, you know, you get the number two YouTube live stream of all time.
And suddenly we're realizing that, wait a minute, I bet you if we broke that out by age, we probably got that key key advertising demo that they wanted, the disposable income, the elder millennials, centennials, Gen Y. That's who they were going for.
And we stole a lot of those.
Meanwhile, Bad Bunny, you know, they say he's the number one global streamer.
Yeah, but that's because he's got a targeted audience in the Spanish speaking world.
Even if you cut through all like the politics surrounding Bad Bunny, like it's just very nefarious because the NFL, Rock Nation, when they're choosing Bad Bunny to be the half-season Jay-Z, who runs Rock Nation.
So he controls what makes it so nefarious is the halftime show is meant to just be an entertaining product for the audience at home.
The reason they select Bad Bunny is because the NFL has been actively trying to expand into Latin America.
But to your point, Jack, it is about the globalism, but more than that, it was about subverting, I think, something that is truly American, right?
Like he was speaking in Spanish.
Most of your football fans don't speak Spanish.
I mean, I understand that there's a lot of people that do speak Spanish in the U.S., but most of the guys that are watching football, they don't speak Spanish.
Famously, they endorsed a policy that's actually very right-wing, which is when New York City passed a bill that every establishment has to take cash, no questions asked.
It's a really right-wing policy because that was at the same time when Beto O'Rourke was like, Chase should deny purchases for AR-15s.
And they're saying, well, we don't want banking controlling your purchases.
New York City, they pass a bill tending for it to help homeless people buy stuff or whatever, but it's actually just a really right-wing policy.
Well, look, when I came up there, and I, you know, I had no notes.
I had no like direction.
You know, we were, again, we just, we threw this thing together in three months and really less than that because we had AmFest and then Christmas and New Year's, really more like two months.
And we had cast a wide net early on, you know, and then you have to drill down on venues and artists.
And then we had so many artists who said they would do it.
But then when it came to those rights, didn't work out.
And, you know, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to point fingers, but, you know, I think we all know who didn't want a competitive halftime show.
I'll just leave it at that.
And I realized, though, that the way to win this is just make it completely non-political.
No politics.
Don't go up there and be trolling.
Don't go up there and like talk about Trump or anything like that.
They're going to cast it as a political thing anyways.
The left was casting the TPUSA thing as they were saying that it's political, that it was, oh, these guys are all political and stuff.
It doesn't matter what you're saying.
It's just that the fact that it's people that are that are comfortable playing what is perceived as a right-wing event, then it's automatically, it's political and it's blah, blah, blah.
Even though the Bad Bunny one is the one that actually had all the subversion in it, right?
But ultimately, I will say it's already been done.
In another sense, though, in like a higher sense, it is political, right?
It's political because the left in this country has separated from the traditional idea of American patriotism.
And so patriotism didn't used to be political.
It is now.
And that's what made it just made it the perfect storm where we wrote in there and said, we are going to do it this way.
We're going to have this.
We're going to have Kid Rock, who's a super famous artist that really, that's what made this break containment.
We broke containment where normies, people at bars, Uber drivers, whatever you call it, they're all saying, oh, the Kid Rock halftime show, the American halftime show.
But what I'm saying, though, is here's the thing is like when it comes to any one artist, and this is what it was a huge learning curve for me on so much of this.
I should feel like I should have called you to explain how all the rights work to everybody.
It's not even up to the artists.
Of course.
It's about the people who own the rights to the song.
So it's like, it's like, what if we, what if we had gotten, well, I'll just say Kid Rock.
So it's like Kid Rock comes on.
He says he wants to come, but then he doesn't own the rights to ball with the ball because Universal does.
And then what if Universal says, oh, you can't play ball with the ball at turning point?
And I can announce the venue tonight, actually, because, and I'll explain why, because we were looking at YouTube live streams over the years and the record.
Tim, do you know what the number one YouTube live stream of all time was?
You want to do two stages so that way you can have one stage being set up while the other one's going, whether they be end-to-end or next, both of them will be able to do it.
For a portion of it where you can see it's not just his vocals that are out of sync.
Everything is out of sync.
Like if you actually understand how music works, you could see the drums are out of sync, the guitars are out of sync.
Everything's out of sync in that moment because it was a sync issue.
But I've got backstage footage where you can see on the closed circuit that he's just singing like normal and he's right there.
But so he let the cat out of the bag that the whole, it was pre-recorded.
And when he says pre-recorded, that doesn't mean the music was pre-recorded.
That means the show was pre-recorded.
And the reason we pre-recorded is exactly what Phil just said.
It was about setup time.
Because Bad Bunny, think of it.
And Tim, you just showed that video where they have to come out.
They have to set up the grasslands or whatever.
And that all takes time.
Whereas we were able to do more show in the same amount of time because we were able to eliminate that setup, shut, you know, set up breakdown time because we could just show act to act to act to act.
And Phil, obviously, because you put on shows, I'm sure you noticed that right away.
I mean, look, the proof of concept, it's clearly there.
And what we showed, what we showed, and look, and this is where, you know, this is where, you know, I talked about how the gatekeeping definitely affected us early on, but it ended up in a much better spot because now when you see the numbers like that, 40, 50 million all in on a wing and a prayer, and we're slapping this thing together like literally as we go along, that there's a lot of people that want to be associated with that amount of eyeballs.
And when it comes down to it, Tim, it's your point.
If you guys launch, if this was to be a for-profit venture based off the views that you got, and next you did a festival based off those views, it's a $100 million operation overnight.
And it's not an exaggeration.
A festival that can pull in those kind of live numbers.
You think about the amount of sponsors each stage is going to be able to get.
You think about, and when I say $100 million, I mean it's a sell.
It's a value of.
So I'm picturing that if you started selling advertisements, first you need to plan how many stages, where's it going to be, what's it going to look like, which includes the live stream with an estimated 40 to 50 million, probably more next year.
You're going to bring in like $20 or $30 million in paid sponsorships in advance.
And so festivals like this, based off the conventions and stuff that I've seen and the sales that they've pulled in based on their numbers, this is like a $100 million business.
At the end of the day, it's as amazing as all that is.
Look, we have to make sure that whatever we do, we stay true to the mission, right?
And that's Charlie's mission.
Because Charlie, this is one of the things that people don't realize, like this wasn't, like, yeah, I had the tweet and all, but like, it was Charlie's, he always talked about the Super Bowl halftime show.
And he would say, he would say, this isn't family friendly.
You can't show this to little kids.
He would call it, this is debauchery.
He called it sexual anarchy in 2022.
And his whole point was you've got to have something that showcases the type of, we have a clip of him that where he's saying, showcase the type of virtues that you want to see throughout the country.
And so what do we have?
We had rock music, we had country, we had Kid Rock preaching the gospel, by the way.
You know, I think anybody saw that coming, which, man, it was so hard for me to not talk about that because I was sitting backstage balling my eyes out.
No, I'm just going to tell you the truth.
When he hit that song, when he starts singing, when he showed the picture of Charlie, you know, he starts singing about, hey, you know, when your dad asked you to go fishing, why don't you say yes?
And on the note of like the virtues we want to see from the halftime show, like this doesn't necessarily have to be like we get around and like show like, let's get married and have kids.
Like it should celebrate like American vitality, the essence of America.
But the point, I mean, my point is, it's like, yeah, you don't have to be so overt like that.
Just celebrate like a vitality.
Yeah, but that's what it is through art, through music.
The last like well, and you, you got what, and I think a lot of people got what Kid Rock was doing with the way that he did the transition of where people were saying, okay, he first, he comes out with ball at the ball.
That's how you met him.
He was Kid Rock.
And he was introduced as Kid Rock.
But then Kid Rock goes away.
And then you get Antonio and Alison Marin, who the phenomenal, the string section comes out.
And then they have this moment showcasing transition, right?
That was the whole point of transition that, like a real transition, not like the crazy one that we talked about.
Then he gets reintroduced.
The same guys who come up, they reintroduce him as Robert Ritchie.
And then Robert Richie comes out and plays till you can't.
And so the point was: you know, it's him saying, look, this was me in the 90s, you know, top of the world.
I've got the girls.
I got the fame.
I got the Jets.
I got everything I want, you know, but I don't have Christ and I'm missing something.
And that's what he finds.
And he's talking about second chances.
And he's obviously, you know, he's singing about himself.
He's thinking about I found Christ.
And so you're looking at his salvation story and he's offering that to so many people.
And I didn't even get that because I had heard, you know, what do you mean we're getting a string section?
Gun person in a dress behind Canada's deadliest shooting in decades.
Horrified Tumblr Ridge students reveal.
There's a mass shooting the other day.
A transgender individual killed several people, including himself.
And when the story broke, the media was calling the shooter a woman in a dress, which immediately people said, that's a weird way to describe a woman.
The New York Post then said female in a dress because they changed it because people don't know what the left is trying to convey, or they do, they're lying, whatever.
Then news broke that, in fact, it was a biological male who identified as transgender.
And the story here is, I mean, the tragedy is a tragedy.
The whole like British Columbia papers were like talking to the guy's family.
They were like, they're talking to classmates and they're like, yes, this is him.
But the police just refused to actually admit it.
So you had, again, you had like the Western standard.
They're a large paper in British Columbia.
Like, yeah, we talked to the classmates 100% this guy, no doubt about it.
But like, if you're in the media and you're commentating on this, you still can't go all in because you still need like the permission from the local police, but they were just all out on defense.
And even afterwards, where the local police was like, well, we still want to honor this person's like gender identity.
This is not a place where you have like the same kind of freedom of speech, the same protections.
You know, we've seen people in the UK go to jail for inciting hatred, inciting discrimination.
And so it could easily be something where they're actually worried about, you know, the media in Canada getting fines for not referring to them by the proper pronouns.
And he's demanding a court process, which was denied.
The court actually said because he entered on a visa waiver, he explicitly includes a waiver of your rights to due process in the event deportation is sought.
So it's just, it pisses me off to know when that they're like, this poor man, he's been here and he's Irish.
And I'm like, bro, he committed a crime.
That's it.
He can go back to Ireland and reapply.
I got no beef, but he's got to go back to Ireland and reapply.
Was that, and I'm sure you've seen this discourse about how he just showcased so many facets of his culture that are totally unaware by white people that we have no idea what it's like seeing someone sleep across a kid, sleep across two to three chairs at a wedding, that we have no idea what it's like.
You see, it's totally different.
It's totally unique because in their culture, they actually really value food and music, and family and dinner is like a daily thing.
Yeah, literally they they take, like they take traits that are very common among like, the lower middle class or lower class, and then they attribute it to like some sort of like unique ethnic identity.
Yeah, Tim, I don't know if you saw this tweet that was going viral where I guess it was some girl and she was like, this is the most Latin thing ever where it's a little kid sleeping across two to three chairs at a wedding.
And it's like, isn't that just being a kid at a family event that goes like that?
But like what Jack's saying is they'll, they'll do this thing where it'll be like, you know, in the Lebanese culture, we have this really unique thing.
We get together for a meal and it's like, it's like a tradition for us.
Yeah, there was the, there was a comedian, um, um, Stavros, I don't know how to say his last name, Hikos or whatever.
And he did make a good point where he's like, there's WASP culture and then there's everything else is kind of the same.
And it's kind of true where it's like to a degree when you do see these sorts of behaviors, if you're like a WASP, like a very like old school American, that is kind of foreign, but it's like everybody else combined.
But I mean, I'll say, I'll even point out, and I'll play Devil's Advocate on the senior homes, is that that is something that is WASP culture because of them wanting to be more independent.
They don't want to be like the burden on the children.
Whereas in most other cultures, like I'm Polish, obviously, and in Polish culture, it's in Eastern European culture.
It's very much the traditional, you know, multi-generational family household.
Your grandparents take care of the little kids.
It's a whole thing.
And by the way, though, what's like the number one book series in the UK right now is the Thursday Murder Club, right?
Where it's like a bunch of seniors running, going around and solving murders because they live at a home together.
Whereas in other cultures, that just wouldn't even exist.
Yeah, there is some truth that like the United States, because of like our founding, founding culture being like super like hyper-Calvinist is that we have this like very uniquely individualistic culture.
And so to like to Jack's point, I remember a few years ago, this discourse started on the right where they were like, you know, the nuclear family is actually bad and we should like embrace multi-generational living.
And I'm like, but we never have.
Like the United States has always been a very individualistic culture.
That's why we're so awesome.
That's why every American, like I love this description of Americans that we're all temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
It's like that is that is the reason why we like are like, let's just go to the moon.
Like these sorts of things, that actually is like a very intrinsic to America.
And by extension, I guess, like the UK and Australia, they're kind of losing it.
So you do see some of these things introduced and they're like passed off as conservative or right-wing, but it's like, it's just foreign to the United States.
And like the way it's being implemented, it's like once you see it, you're like, well, that's not quite us.
There's a reason why America is so unique.
So multi-generational.
It's like, to Jack's point, old people don't want to be perceived as a burden on their kids.
So somebody would, this actually, there's an element of this in the Nancy Guthrie case and that's obviously going, it's horrific.
It's so terrible.
But people were pointing out, I guess, the first night, like the last night which she was seen, they said she took an Uber to the son and daughter's house for dinner.
And I heard a lot of people saying, well, wait a minute, the son and daughter only live a couple of minutes a day.
Why wouldn't they pick her up?
But it goes back to the same culture that we're talking about.
Don't want to be seen as a burden, want to demonstrate independence, and that this is, it's just part of that culture.
And it's not something that you can change.
And also when you, again, when you bring in people who are from different cultures, yes, they can assimilate to that, you know, to an extent.
But when you bring so many people in who don't have that culture, that don't have any history of that, they don't assimilate because it is totally foreign way of thinking and way of believing.
So to answer the question, it's like, why would you take that Uber?
On that, on that bodega that they're dancing in front of.
It's like that old AOC tweet.
It's like, if that were a halftime show, it actually had the We Accept EBT right there.
And then people were saying, and then like Nina Turner on Twitter and a bunch of people were saying, you need to put that because that's our culture because that's there.
It's like, so wait, you're called deficit culture.
You're cheering this.
You're celebrating Celebrating this.
Whereas, as I'm sure Tate knows, that in like white American culture, typically it's seen, and I think a lot of people, or at least traditionally, it used to be seen that that was shameful.
People would say, like, I don't care if we don't have money, like, we're not getting on food stamps.
The easiest way to explain it is that the phrase the phrase from each according to their ability to each according to their need posits that people who can produce by working extra hard should, and people who can't produce enough to survive should not.
And so the reason why communism always fails is because the people who can produce in excess have no reason to, and the people who cannot are given food from everybody else.
So you have an expansion of a deficit population, a population that consumes while not producing enough.
This is the end.
Humanity survives as social beings.
The more humans there are doing work, it's an exponential gain on the ease of survival.
Communism takes away the incentive to produce, but everybody still must consume.
Let's say what we have right now is this hybrid.
We don't live in a capitalist society.
It's called the mixed economy.
That's because around half the country is 50-50 socialist, communist versus capitalist.
People say it's always a capitalist country.
No, it's not.
It's a crony capitalist.
No, no, no.
We're literally called the mixed economy because half our money goes to social services and half our money is kept.
The problem with that is we have built a country with a large deficit population.
They don't produce as much as they consume.
Sooner or later, in that system, albeit in a mixed economy, it'll go slower than a communist country.
The people who do produce eventually start giving up.
And then there is no excess.
So now you only have people producing at cost, people at deficit.
Well, that's why you see like every time in the UN, they have these like, they don't have any implication, but they're like, should food be a human right?
The United States always votes no because we're just saying like, no, you're not entitled to someone else's labor.
That's demonic.
That's a positive right.
And a positive right means you're entitled to someone's labor.
Because again, someone has to produce that food.
And so if that's a human right, if food is a human right, that means that if your human rights being infringed on, then you could put the gun to someone and say, give me some food.
We're going to go to the Super Chats and Rumble Rants before the uncensored portion of the show.
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We've got a bunch of stuff in the works.
Our coffee shop should be opening very soon.
No kidding, like legit.
We're having one of our final walkthroughs.
Very excited.
And that means our social club events will be coming up very soon as well.
Very, very excited.
At the same time, I mean this kind of in a weird way as a promo, but it is our security issues have not been abated and it's massively stressful.
And we are admittedly hanging by a thread, but we're doing everything we can to keep things going.
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I'm going to tell you guys right now the cost of security.
Jack knows this.
It's like if we were to try and do full standard security, we need $3 to $5 million.
Which, and, you know, not to get into it too much, but at Turning Point's main headquarters, you know, when Charlie was murdered, we were actually in the process of putting up finally a full security gate and fencing and perimeter with like a motorized gate and all the rest of it.
You know, the cost that you guys have now, especially now with all the stupid insanity conspiracy theories, it's bonkers, dude.
We're going over these numbers and a single, the low end, the low end.
And this is because of insurance.
And it's because you need to understand one security guy.
It's not that you have one security guy for 24 hours.
No, you have four people per day because of shift overlap, because you can't have gaps in your security.
Now imagine you've got a multi-building media company with several shows and you need four or five people per day 24 hours for maximum security after someone shot your property.
It's nuts.
That's why we went to Florida and we were trying to work something out and figure out if there was a way to do a bigger deal with Rumble and do something.
You know, I look at it from the geostrategic perspective that, you know, Puerto Rico gives you that access to the Caribbean, gives you those basing rights.
You don't have to worry about, you know, treaties or anything.
I did certainly did not call him on his personal private cell phone number and ask him.
No, I was trying to see if we could get him to tweet about, you know, to like comment on our show.
But of course, you know, which hasn't come up yet, I'm told that I was told that they were going to play it on the plane at one point when he was flying up.
Even though it's not a Trump thing, it's sort of got the DNA, the fingerprints, if you will, of MAGA, Americanism, globalism, all of these things tied together.
Obviously, he's close with Kid Rock, their friend.
I mean, it just, it's something that, you know, I think that he would do.
And, you know, put it this way: you know, when he sees something put on big numbers like that, and it's associated with, you know, quote-unquote people he views as like his guys, his side.
Not only that, the type of thing he talks about all the time.
And one of the good things, or one of the best things about it, in my opinion, is it gives young people.
It will give young people that are 18, 19, 20, whatever.
It'll give them some kind of buy-in to the capitalist system.
Right now, there's young people that don't have anything.
And they're like, well, why do I care about capitalism?
Why do I care about property rights?
I don't own anything.
Well, if you're 18 years old and you got 50 grand or 100 grand or whatever it ends up turning into, then you're going to care about capital because you actually have a stake in it.
It's like if you can get a whole generation of young people that have some kind of buy-in, that's going to be a very good thing for the United States of America.
So one theory, and we were told this is not true, is that the DOD wanted to test DOW wanted to test a high-powered directed energy weapon on Mexican cartel drones.
Will the U.S. confirm that aliens exist before 2027?
14% chance?
1.8 million.
Okay, the answer is no.
If you put $10,000 in, there's a correct answer to this question.
You will get back $1,000.
You're getting a 13% margin, 13% interest rate effectively.
So my attitude is, like, why should I put my money in the bank when I can put it in shares of, no, the U.S. will not confirm the existence of aliens and get back a higher percentage?
Yeah, but here's the thing: guys, there's not gonna be a shutdown, and it's because the save act included a rule that they could introduce budget bills.
You guys saw that?
So, this is what Thomas Massey was complaining about.
The government's not gonna be able to shut down because now they can introduce.
I forgot that the rule that they now bypass some budget introductory thing.
Yeah, that was the part of the part of the save act.
Do not buy based on what I'm telling you because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
But I'm going to pull this up from Thomas Massey and then give you my perspective.
Thomas Massey said, There's a false rumor I voted against the Save Act today.
I'll vote for it when it comes to the floor.
I voted against a rule that allows it to get to a vote, but the rule also suspends house rules and allows spending bills to come to the floor with no 24-hour notice, which means they can introduce tomorrow and keep the government open.
And I think that's the point.
The SAVE Act is not going to pass the Senate, they're not going to let it.
And so it was a ploy, but this allows them to keep government open.
So, you know, that's my prediction.
But what do I know?
People are saying the government will shut down Saturday.
I understand it's against the rules if I were to buy it, but what if I just privately told Tate and then Tate told his girlfriend and then she bought it?
If Tim Poole attends any White House press briefing, which takes place in the James S. Brady press briefing room after issuance and before 2027, the market resolves to yes.
This is the weirdest fucking shit because let me be completely honest.
What's to stop me from literally just letting people here know, hey, guys, I'm actually going to go to the press briefing tomorrow and ask Carolyn Levitt about the bad bunny in the halftime show.
Like, guys, just for the people listening, imagine if you're going to work and someone was making a bet publicly online as to whether or not you'd get lunch at Chipotle or Chick-fil-A.
And you were like, I guess I'll go to Chick-fil-A.
And then everyone's like, yo, we're going to get money.
Why are you making money off whether or not I go somewhere?
So I was basically asking, I'll formulate my question thanks to Chat GPT and this Teamcast staff.
Granted, that California, LA County, has the precincts mirroring a lot of the way the precincts are set up in the rest of the country.
What's your take on your own venture into local politics?
And what's the update on that?
I mean, who's Jack knows for sure how big LA politics is because he was at the protest when we were protesting against those drag coins at the Under Stadium?
I thought about even myself running as a Democrat over here, just saying, hey, I'm only doing it because you guys are too stupid to not vote for me with the R next to my name.
Seriously, if I'm trying to be honorable, the fact that people are wagering as to whether or not I will go to a press briefing has created complications I didn't ask for nor contract into.
I'm just thinking about what happens if my brother is like, I know Tim's not going.
I'm going to bet on it.
Am I supposed to be like, no, I have to consider now whether or not I should go or not based on whether someone I know is wagering against whether I will or won't?
This is bullshit.
I shouldn't have to think about it.
I shouldn't have to consider the fact that people will make or lose money on me going to a press briefing.
Do you want to do you want to add anything to that?
I'm talking to Cauchy over here.
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Well, yeah, I see that we should put a contract in whether you'll join local politics again, you know, because like I think there's a higher chance you might do that considering that you got a daughter.
I mean, a lot of times like people, they don't want to be involved over here, but we're the only people that are like standing in the gap.
And like I said, you don't have to do anything crazy.
Just like, I'm on my committee, for example, my local precinct committee.
I mean, that's an easy way to make sure that you have a say in whatever the state party is doing.
I can, for your registered volume, I'm assuming it's West Virginia.
But yeah, like I have a very, very powerful role and it's really being underutilized actually in LA County.
We barely got out of bankruptcy for our county party.
And we used to actually be bankrupt in Orange County next door.
They got a real beautiful political machine over there.
You just have to ask yourself, why is the county with the most Republicans have zero dollars in its bank account?
Well, that's by design by the CHOP.
And the Rhino is making money off us losing, probably, you know, colluding with Democrats.
Because I myself, I'm a brand new Republican, found all this out once I started joining politics after the lockdowns, the illegal lockdowns, mind you.
You know, I've talked about what happens if we can't maintain security costs, Timcast IRL, but I've always maintained like the morning show will still exist.
If I were to stop working completely, I'd end up probably in jail.
Which means if I ever decided to go into politics, I would stop.
There'd be no money.
And then the, let me put it like this.
If you own property and it falls in disrepair, you could be criminally charged.
And maintaining the properties, the buildings, and stuff that we have, if it fell into disrepair, you can be criminally charged as the owner.
Then, what would likely happen is they would seize it and, you know, I'd get arrested.
Then I would say, I'm destitute.
And they would say, well, good luck in your political campaign.
You just got arrested and you're destitute.
So anyway, 0%.
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California robber gets, they can sue you if they get injured robbing your house.
So I get it.
But yeah, I got a couple of YouTubers over here that are running for office.
They were on Jubilee and whatnot.
So, I mean, I know I hear you're like the leader of us, basically, us, you know, brand new Republicans and whatnot, or even if you still independent, I don't even know what it says on your form.
Challenging Trans Ideology00:04:54
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But yeah, dude, I really just appreciate you, you know, taking the call.
And like I said, I do have a pack and I'm not going to shout it out or anything that I can do that later.
But there is one dude that is like the leader on election integrity.
His name is Dr. Frank.
He talks about the Hava and all that other stuff that you pulled up and everything.
He travels on his own dime and stuff like that.
He's spoken at Trump rallies.
I consider him getting on the show, getting him on the show.
So, the shooting in Canada comes amid other stories of trans violence, like the high school girl who was sexually assaulted during a wrestling match by a biological male, which she did not know she was wrestling at the time.
And of course, the assassination of Charlie.
How can we do something outside of just sharing these stories that'll actually change the minds of people that are promoting transgenderism, specifically for youth?
I don't know that there's anything we can do aside from, you know, continue to like, because I mean, look, you can't change people's minds for them.
You know what I mean?
It's like you can sit there and you can put information out.
You can do your best to talk to detransitioners and make their stories public and stuff.
But as for like changing the minds of the people that have kind of committed to this ideology, I mean, I kind of feel like that's kind of a lost cause.
And nowadays, even though there's so many people that are actually starting to have a more sane view of transgenderism and specifically children That have been told that they're transgender or whatever, even though there's more of those people.
The people that have historically, you know, they've already transitioned, they've been living their life as the opposite sex, they have a lot of incentive to stay that way and to never admit that they think that they were wrong, right?
Because they've surrounded themselves by people that believe that transgenderism is a real thing and that it's legitimate and they believe that men can become women and vice versa.
And so convincing them, like that's almost, that's almost impossible because it's asking for more than just changing your mind.
They have to change their whole life.
If you have a mother that's fully committed to that ideology and her child transitioned, right?
She's not going to say, oh, well, you know, I was wrong.
That was a terrible thing for me to allow to happen to my child.
You know, she's going to be like, no, no, no, it was the right thing to do because my child would have killed themselves if I didn't or what have you.
No parent wants to think that they empowered their child to ruin their lives.
So the idea of getting people to change their minds is really, really hard.
It's better to continue to share these stories and try to reach people that haven't made up their mind and show them the reality of it so they can make an informed decision.
I would, just to add on that, you know, one thing that I've pushed for just in terms of a positive, like not on the conversion side, but one thing that people can do, but specifically on the violence side, is we need the announcement of a federal task force on studying trans violence, profiling trans violence, understanding what the, you know, the off-ramps are to this.
And certainly, you know, so look at it the way that we looked at serial killers in the past.
And when you would see these repeat offenders who would continue to, you know, or repeat instances, I should say, of this type of violence, where, you know, the profile seems to be very similar again and again.
And look, you know, we also have to have, I think, in this country, a serious conversation about whether or not, and, you know, Tim, I'd love to get your sense on this.
If people are taking HRT, if people are taking these hormones, you know, 5150.
Is this something where they could be, where they should be allowed to have full access to gun rights?
The founding fathers did not intend for people to be walking around with guns.
That is a modern misconception.
And I'm a two-way guy.
The founding fathers believed that everyone would have guns equipped and capable of being carried around, but the states would have the right to enforce the laws as they see fit.
But the federal government could not take their guns away.
The founding fathers envisioned that most people would have some kind of gun, but it's up to the states to decide.
In fact, it was very common that in many states, your guns were taken from you all the time.
In fact, in the 80s, almost every single state was a May-issue state, meaning you could barely get a permit for guns.
So the perception changed.
We federalized the country and we no longer value the rights of the states.
And the federal constitution now supersedes everything the states do, which was not the vision of the founding fathers.
The challenge is the typical liberal view, which many conservatives held, the classically liberal view, is if we allow the government to take away our guns due to 5150, they'll make up reasons to 5150.
So I've been researching, and I do have a clarification.
Insider trading is illegal on Caul She.
It is a federal crime because Caul She is a regulated entity under, what is it, the Commodities and Exchange Act or something like that.
Polymarket is in a different space right now because the contracts aren't regulated under the same thing just yet.
But Caul She is wholly regulated and controlled.
Now, this presents a very, very interesting problem because this creates a regulated financial market without the control of the parties listed in the markets.
Whereas it used to be the financial markets where you're a company, you listed your public stock.
There are laws saying you can't make materially false statements that could influence the price of a financial market.
Now, hold on there, gosh darn fucking minute.
I never asked anybody to make a market about me, and I can say whatever the fuck I want.
So go fuck yourself.
If I want to say I am going or I'm not going to that event, I'll be damned if you're going to argue that my market manipulation and materially false statements are now regulated.
That means if I want to lie to people and say I am going, I was always allowed to do that.
If I want to lie and say I'm not going, I was allowed to do that.
But now that now that a market is involved, they can argue that's a crime.
And they can make up a reason saying you're trying to manipulate a market.
Anyway, so the new trans shooter is from Tumblr Ridge, living in a simulation confirmed.
Okay, but my call is actually not about the trans shooter.
For the panel, what are our thoughts on the new Discord policy changes coming up next month requiring a face scan to not have a restricted teen account?
We've built quite the impressive Timcast IRL expanded universe ecosystem here.
Will we be seeking safe harbor elsewhere?
Perhaps TeamSpeak, who seems to care about user privacy.
Does the panel feel this is a trend that will likely be adopted by all other social media platforms soon?
Yeah, I mean, it's basically the companies are looking for cover because there's so much illicit activity that's going on on Discord in so many different channels.
They're just looking for the ability to say, well, we've gone and done all of the things that we can do to prevent this.
We ban people when we see that they're saying things or doing things that are illegal.
We do our best to make sure that there's a limited version for teens.
For adults, we have all kinds of verifications, KYC stuff.
There's no your customer stuff.
So I think that that's going to be a lot of the internet in the future.
And I think that the reason that Discord's doing it is because there's been some high-profile cases where people have used Discord to communicate about criminal activity.
So as for what it's going to do for the Timcast Discord, I mean, I think most of the people in there are over 18, but whether or not they'll be comfortable with the face scan thing, that's going to be a personal decision as to whether or not.
unidentified
Well, yeah, that's the thing because I definitely don't want my face attached to the Discords I'm in and the handles I run becoming public knowledge when inevitably they get hacked again.
It's like they're demanding, you know, personal information, but they have no actual way to guarantee that it's not going to be hacked and made public or what have you.
So it's a really, it's a shit situation, to be honest with you.
Yeah, so it's just that people are using, and we talked about this a little bit, it's just that people are using the Epstein files as a way to slime people they don't like.
Yeah, I think at this point, I think if you really want to go down the Epstein rabbit hole, I think Mike Benz is the best person to go down the hole with.
The Bannon stuff is like, what do you mean on Bannon?
unidentified
Well, I mean, so there's a document early in an investigation that says these 12 people we think may be involved and we should look into them.
And a few of those people end up getting charged later.
And we're supposed to focus on that.
But then we've got Bannon who ends up on the outs with Trump when he gets fired and he's working with Epstein to make a documentary to kind of clean up his image.
And those people know both of these things.
And like I said, I don't want to throw anybody in the bus to put you guys on the spot.
And it's nobody that's on the panel tonight.
But you definitely interact with these people every day.
And I don't see anybody pushing back and saying, well, how is that different?
Just to clarify, I'm not understanding who you're criticizing or what you're criticizing.
unidentified
Okay, so Some of our libertarian friends with a certain color hair, the entire feed is how Kash Patel and Pam Bondi are protecting these criminals because they're not because they're not charging this individual when we don't have evidence.
Can't tell you why Josie is mad about one guy, but not insert random unnamed other person because unnamed other person circumstances have not been defined.
Josie is mad about thing, but not unnamed other thing.
And if you're asking me why, and it's a very, very limited question, you're asking me why Josie is more concerned about a potential co-conspirator and not, the answer is Bennon is not.
Then that's not what I'm asking.
unidentified
Again, okay, I'll boil it down to one sentence.
Is the majority of the people that we follow, the people here in here in the Discord, are they in it for the payday or are they trying, are they just unable to understand why somebody might be considered a potential co-conspirator early in an investigation?
They don't find the evidence, so they don't take it to court because then that attaches double jeopardy and it's a guaranteed loss.
And that would be what's actually what we're seeing in the document.
And also, you have to take into account that Josie's political leanings are going to make her fairly sympathetic to Thomas Massey and not so sympathetic to other people.
She's a libertarian.
She's historically been pretty pro-Massey.
So she's probably got a sympathetic opinion.
unidentified
And the reason Massey's hammering so hard on Wexner is there's ties to the guy that Trump has endorsed to go against them and Wexner.
That's why he's pushing that so hard.
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unidentified
Maybe, but I mean, at the end of the day, like I said, it sounds like I wasn't trying to get into the weeds of this one.
I think largely what's going on is you feel like someone should be saying things or you think they should be more critical of people and they're not.
That kind of sums it up.
unidentified
No, it seems to me like everything that we were warned about in this document dump, that if we dumped millions of documents on the American populace, it would be used to create these massive mountains out of molehills because there's going to be documents of, hey, we heard this guy may have been at this place, but then when we went to investigate, we found he was on the other side of the globe at this other event.
So he definitely wasn't there.
But that document, that memo where they said, I heard this, let's look into it, now is being shown that one paragraph cut out of it out of any context that would never be allowed in a courtroom is being used to try and crucify random people.
And it seems like a big part of the conservative movement is glomming onto that because it's getting them views and clicks.
I think that the long and short of, at least as far as what we can say here, is if you're not talking about us, we can't speak for other people.
Maybe there are some people that are that have, you know, that are a little un have less scruples than the people sitting around the table here.
But I think asking us to speak for someone else, especially when it's something that's fairly obvious, that yes, there are different levels of commitment to integrity among different people because people are people.
I made a video today lightly critical of both Massey and Bondi and lightly supportive of both.
I feel like they were talking past each other and it was needlessly acrimonious between both parties.
Raskin was defending Massey.
That's laughable.
But Bondi didn't need to be antagonistic and she had an opportunity because Massey was being antagonistic to actually win that and she fucked it up.
I think the Trump admins fucked up the Epstein stuff every step of the way.
It's annoying how bad the PR is.
Pam Bondi's opportunity was to say, I'm sorry you're upset, Congressman.
When you asked us to unredact the name, we did.
It was an oversight.
I'm sorry this happened.
Instead, she started yelling at him and called him a hypocrite and it just became fucking WWE.
At the same time, Thomas Massey shouldn't have said, I caught you red-handed because that's a presumption.
I mean, it's, hey, you didn't unredact his name.
unidentified
He has a law license.
He should know the ethical violation he's making to make this claim that because there's a memo early in an investigation, that's the same as having enough to charge somebody.
His point was that they didn't redact the names of victims who requested it, and they did redact the names of Lex Wexner, who was listed as a potential co-conspirator.
His point was.
unidentified
But that's not the only point he's been making for the past week.
If your complaint is about this one circumstance I can comment on, I will.
His complaint is that a list of names was given of victims that was not redacted, but the lawyer was, meaning they saw the email from the lawyer saying, please don't release these names.
And they chose to actually release the names in the same email, redact the lawyer's name, which is really weird.
At the same time, a document was released of Lex Wexner as a potential co-conspirator.
They chose to redact despite them not being not supposed to be doing that.
That's his complaint.
And I don't think he needed to be as angry when the point is he's literally oversight.
And his response should be, if I see you do something wrong, I'm going to make you fix it.
That should be the answer, not I caught you right-handed.