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Jan. 28, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR | Timcast IRL #1436 w/ Tony Ortiz #1436

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ian crossland
11:14
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libby emmons
21:46
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phil labonte
14:18
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tim pool
01:39:22
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tony ortiz
20:44
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elliot forhan
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nick sortor
00:42
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ilhan omar
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nicolle wallace
msnow 00:22
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steven crowder
00:14
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tim pool
So this guy's running for AG in Ohio.
He was a former state rep, and it looks like he's not doing too well.
Well, he's got a new campaign promise.
He's vowing to kill Donald Trump.
Not exaggerating.
He's saying that as AG, he will sentence Trump to death formally through the state, which is still just him campaigning on killing Trump.
So I don't know what his point was.
But he's certainly getting attention for it.
So congratulations.
In this hyper-internet reality, everyone so desperate for attention will say or do anything.
He may as well have just said, please, for the love of all that is holy, look at my face.
Because it worked.
And we're talking about him and his pictures everywhere.
And then we've got probably one of the saddest stories.
Now, I know a lot of you are deeply upset over the killing of Alex Preddy in Minnesota.
It's a sad story, nonetheless, but I'm sure a lot of conservatives say, well, you know, don't bring a gun to a cop fight.
It appears that MS now is running a photoshopped version of this guy to make him look hot.
Or at least hot Er.
This is not a joke.
They took an old photo of him, face-tuned it, gave him some muscle, widened his jaw, gave him a little bit of a tan, some buy.
This is absolutely insane.
And you know, I know it's deeply political, and we're analytical when we look at these circumstances, but I genuinely feel bad for this guy's legacy with how they're treating him by basically saying he was so ugly that we have to photoshop his face and put it on TV because they don't want people to see what he actually looked like.
Yowza.
Man, okay.
Well, we're going to talk about that.
There's a bunch of other news.
Right now, the question is: did Trump concede?
And the funny thing is, liberal activists think Tim Waltz conceded, and many conservatives think Trump conceded, but Trump's diehard base thinks he won.
He's not backing down.
They're saying he's just restrategizing.
Well, Tim Waltz called Trump and said they were going to work together.
So leftists stormed his office, furious saying no surrender, which, okay.
We'll talk about all that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more.
We've got Tony Ortiz.
tony ortiz
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
tony ortiz
I run Current Revolt.
We are a Texas-based newsletter.
We cover everything going on in Texas News.
So if you're a right-winger and you live in Texas, we are a must-subscribe.
There are probably less than four right-wing rags in the state of Texas, and we're one of them, which is surprising because Texas is a red state.
tim pool
Yeah, one of the big stories we have is the redistricting map forecast.
Texas is going to gain four seats.
California is going to lose four.
And it's really interesting when you look at this map because you can see where everybody fled and where they went.
So it'll be interesting.
But thanks for hanging out.
It should be fun.
Ian's excited.
ian crossland
I am.
It's a pleasure to be here as well, Tim.
Thank you for talking about the graphene dream on the top of the show.
Tim and I have a little ongoing wager, not really, but in the background about what coffee is the best at Casbrew.
I think it's Graphene Dream.
He says it's Appalachian Knights.
You've got to try both.
Let me know what you think.
Put it in the chat.
Put it in the chat.
Just a little bit.
tim pool
Well, there was a surge of graphene dream, but it's never outsold Appalachian Knights.
ian crossland
It's tough.
tim pool
It is.
And the Appalachian Knights was made by me, and we didn't think it was going to be that big.
It was just like, I made it because I liked it.
ian crossland
The branding is stunning.
The tip of graphene dream is I'm trying to separate myself from the ego because my ego's like, I want it to be the best.
tim pool
Yeah, you're just glowing and flying on the bag.
ian crossland
Yeah, how badass.
And it's, but I truly believe it's the best.
I think.
tim pool
Well, I mean, the low acidity really got people, and we were surprised.
Like, people were like, my stomach doesn't hurt.
ian crossland
So, in addition to going to graphene.movie and checking out my documentary, go to caspurgu.com, get some Appalachian Knights and some graphene dream.
Libby Emmons is in the house.
unidentified
Lenny?
ian crossland
Lemmy.
tim pool
Lemmy?
ian crossland
Talk to me.
Limit something Irish with all the green.
libby emmons
Don't let's do a new nickname for me.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm the editor-in-chief of the Postmillennial and Human Events.
And just recently, the Pod Millennial.
We're really excited to launch this first podcast with me as the host.
Our first episode is with Michael Knowles, and you can check it out.
It's live now on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.
And you can check it out at thepodmillennial.com.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's a story from our favorite news outlet, The Times of India.
Because the funny thing is, a lot of these big stories that generate a lot of attention, the corporate press overlooks.
And websites like this have begun to pick these things up because people are looking for context.
But it's a big story.
Grocery Politics & Wing Groups 00:15:01
tim pool
Did Ohio AG Kennedy claims to claim call to kill Trump?
This is very poor.
It's written by India, so what do you expect?
But it's true.
libby emmons
I will say we did a better job on this one at the post-millennial.
tim pool
Oh, you do.
You guys do have it.
Okay, we'll get yours instead.
But we do have the post from Libs of TikTok, and then we'll pull yours up.
Breaking Elliot Forhan, Democratic candidate for Ohio Attorney General, says he's going to kill President Trump through capital punishment.
Now, this guy previously served in the House of Representatives in Ohio during the 23-24 term.
He represented the 21st District.
Apparently, he lost the primary for this time around.
And I'd assume this is just desperation.
He's got a lot of controversies, though.
He said F Charlie Kirk after Charlie was killed.
And yeah, they say the Wikipedia says he's the son of two women whose wedding he officiated after Obergefell v. Hodges' Supreme Court decision.
Interesting.
Look at that.
Before he actually, in 2022, he won 73% to 26.
Well, here's what he has to say about his campaign.
elliot forhan
Hi.
This is Elliot Forhan, candidate for Ohio Attorney General.
I want to tell you what I mean when I say that I am going to kill Donald Trump.
I mean, I'm going to obtain a conviction rendered by a jury of his peers at a standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt based on evidence presented at a trial conducted in accordance with the requirements of due process, resulting in a sentence duly executed of capital punishment.
That is what I mean when I say that I'm going to kill Donald Trump.
ian crossland
Okay, no, you can't do all that stuff, brother.
You can maybe get charges put against this guy.
That's all you can do.
Now, what did he say he's going to – can you play that first part of that again?
elliot forhan
Beyond a reasonable doubt.
Based on evidence.
Presented at a trial.
ian crossland
Not before that, Dr. He says he's going to put him on trial or whatever.
This guy.
elliot forhan
To kill Donald Trump.
I mean, I'm going to obtain a conviction.
ian crossland
How is he going to be able to do that?
elliot forhan
Rendered a conviction of his own.
You've handed it off the judges or telling you that he's going to based on evidence.
ian crossland
He's going to do some obtain a conviction.
libby emmons
He doesn't even tell you what the charges are.
He doesn't say anything.
tim pool
They don't need any.
Show me the man.
I'll show you the crime.
libby emmons
Well, yeah.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying this distinction of I'll get a conviction is a completely meaningless distinction.
They know exactly what the point is.
tony ortiz
Well, he's running for office.
He's going to say the most retarded things he could.
I like how he's using the boomerang and he's got the face, the lightning filter to make himself look a little lighter.
It's not the post-mortem glow-up that Pretty got, but you know.
libby emmons
He's mirroring Tish James, who ran on going after Trump, and so did what's his name?
Alvin Bragg ran on going after Trump.
Didn't Gretchen Whitmer say that?
And Gavin Newsom raised like, what, $50 million to go after Trump?
tony ortiz
I mean, they're all upping the bar like it was maybe deport Trump and now it's killing him.
tim pool
It's just, I love this post where it was like, Donald Trump can storm into Venezuela and capture their president, but he can't arrest one journalist, you know, who stormed a church in Minnesota.
He has more control over foreign countries than he does his own nation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I love the guys.
I'm just going to call it coping and seething.
Like, they're withdrawing the criminal complaint against Don Lemon because it's actually part of their plan.
It's like, uh-huh.
No, they wanted him arrested and they couldn't do it.
Yeah, Trump's withdrawing Bovino, and there's rumors that Christy Noam is going to get fired or reassigned.
And he's basically not firing, but you're doing the administrative, like, shove him in the corner.
And they're like, no, that's actually Trump winning.
It's like the reason you see these suburb cops arresting a bunch of these protesters.
And these people are like, yeah, but now, you know, Tim Waltz bent the knee.
The police have come in.
No, no, I'll tell you what happened.
Trump agreed to pull out Bovino because he screwed everything up.
His messaging was bad, and Noam's messaging was bad.
And the reason why the cops came and pushed the protesters out was because in exchange for Trump's retreat, they offered him safe passage.
That's it.
tony ortiz
Wouldn't a video like this get you killed in CCP China?
Oh, you just disappeared.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, you wouldn't.
tony ortiz
I mean, I'm pretty sure the left loves China.
tim pool
This shows China.
phil labonte
This right here is direct evidence that Donald Trump is nothing that the left says he is.
If he was anything like the left says he is, this guy'd be in jail just because he'd send his gestapo down there to pick him up and just toss him in a hole.
That's what he said.
He would have stocked.
Yeah.
But what is real is we don't live in a Nazi fascist blah, blah, blah.
We live in a country where retards like this can say this kind of stuff.
And my eyes roll so hard that they almost fall out of my head.
libby emmons
You can see that with what's going on in like Iran and other places.
And you can see directly that we have an inordinate amount of freedom.
And all of our rights are protected and defended for the most part.
The left isn't shared to Iran anyway.
phil labonte
The left is clownishly ridiculous.
I can't take anything they say seriously, whether it be arguments on Twitter or these self-aggrandizing BS TikTok posts they put up.
It's just so exhausting.
It's just like, I'll just roll my eyes and be like, you're just so gay.
ian crossland
Did this guy say just flat out, like post a tweet where he said, I'm going to kill underline?
And he just said it with no context.
tim pool
And now he's like, no, I think this was the only thing he said.
libby emmons
Oh.
Yeah.
The other thing, too, I mean, we saw Jay Jones just won in Virginia, even though he said he wanted to see the children of Republican colleagues killed.
You know, I mean, this is what they keep electing on purpose.
So maybe this guy wins.
tim pool
I got to add real quick just for the chat because I'm seeing a bunch of conflicting comments and I'm curious.
So it's split between Bovino was doing a great job.
Okay.
Then why did Trump pull him out?
If he was doing a great job, Trump pulled him out because Trump wants to change course or what's the issue.
Others are saying Trump is strategically retreating.
It's not a defeat.
Trump sent in Bovino.
Christy Noam was the boss.
Trump is pulling them out.
And I call it cope, right?
That's fine.
I said yesterday, strategic retreat, I said it this morning, is not defeat.
Sometimes you have to do it.
it and I'll give him credit for that.
I think he realized Bofino was causing damage and the Stephen Miller message of this guy was going to massacre people failed miserably and made them all look bad.
Now he's sending in Tom Homan.
But anyway, you cut it.
Trump decided the current leadership team wasn't working.
He's pulling them out.
That's it.
ian crossland
If you wargame past conflicts and battles, especially, you'll see some, you know, often actually, like throughout history, where the winning side will lose battles.
Pretty blatantly.
You know, if you want to consider this like a culture, warrior, culture, war thing, like sometimes you flank and you send in and you attack the front and your guys just get it.
I would love and you basically have no choice but to retreat.
tony ortiz
I would love to see the Trump administration send ICE into cities or neighborhoods where they're welcome, like right-wing cities to round up the illegal city.
They do.
unidentified
They do.
tony ortiz
I would love to see like some pro-Trump propaganda where you're showing the city people welcoming ICE there and like, you know, celebrating them, giving them free food and stuff.
libby emmons
I don't know if that's happening.
tony ortiz
I think it could.
I think if you took ICE and had them do operations in like right-wing cities, you would see the general population be like, oh, we're glad you guys are here.
Like, here's a free coffee.
Here's a free meal.
tim pool
I got a question for everybody.
When protesters were upset over masks during COVID, these were not overtly right-wing people or anything.
It was just presumably like, hey, we don't want to.
Oh, no, no, no.
You know, a better example is the vaccine mandate protests.
Antifa showed up and started mercilessly beating these people outside of a hospital.
Story went super viral.
How come we never see any conservatives forming vigilante or paramilitary groups to go and support the government operations of the Republican Party?
tony ortiz
Yeah, there's always this messaging by the left that the right has all these LARPing militia groups, but they never do anything.
tim pool
They're not real.
tony ortiz
They don't exist.
And if they do, they're really small and they show up in U-Hauls and they just exist.
They don't actually perform any operations.
tim pool
But they don't exist.
I mean, when the left comes out and protests, you don't have paramilitary, right-wing groups going, just beating people outside of a grocery store, protesting plastic bags.
tony ortiz
Yeah, you're not seeing right-wing groups burning down like Indian grocery stores.
tim pool
Yeah, but I mean, like, more to the point of if a bunch of leftists show up to protest meat, there's never a right-wing pro-Republican group that shows up and says, leave Cargill alone and bashes them with sticks the way Antifa does when people on the right protest Democrat policy positions.
tony ortiz
I think it just further demonstrates that like the left is very like emotional.
Like they don't have any kind of ability to control their emotions.
They get violent easier, right?
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
They're organized.
You don't randomly just show up and beat people at a protest.
You know the protest is happening.
You have legal apparatus to protect you in the event you get arrested.
They've got the same clothes.
They've got tools, shields, weapons.
The left is completely organized on every front.
And the Democrats actually have a paramilitary wing and the right has nothing.
tony ortiz
I mean, you've been to a lot of these protests on the field.
And what I've seen too, covering, especially the anti-ICE protests in Dallas, is like you will have these organized groups that will call together a protest.
And then these people, they all show up.
And then you'll have like five or six, depending on the size, people in these vests.
And they're the organizers, right?
They're telling them what to do.
They've got the loudspeakers, hey, we need to back off or hey, we're pushing forward.
So to your point, yeah, you do have some sort of organization there.
And you don't really see that in the right.
Like I very rarely see right-wing big protests, but you don't have people deleting them.
tim pool
But it's not about against it.
It's not about protests.
It's about, let's say a bunch of liberals show up to a grocery store saying meat is murder.
There's no such thing as a right-wing organized group that shows up to beat them.
But there are when right-wing groups protest things like taxation or gun control, left-wing groups show up and beat them.
There are organized leftist groups that align with Democrat policy to beat anyone on the right if they show up in the street to protest.
libby emmons
Well, there's a lot of this stuff, right?
I mean, there's Rise and Resist.
There was the women's march last night.
We had a reporter go into one of the women's march virtual trainings, and they were talking about how in Minneapolis and St. Paul, hotel workers will call in the activists to do what they call wake-ups, and then all the activists show up outside the hotel to like bang on their drums and bottles and cans and whatever else they're doing and cause a little mess.
tim pool
That's what I think is funny.
I don't understand why conservatives think they would ever win a civil war when they have no fighters, no communications, no organization whatsoever.
By all means, you can point out there are small militias that don't do anything and they exist like we know there's a group of guys in the South somewhere.
tony ortiz
I think part of that is that the right has more to lose, right?
Like the people on our side, they have families.
They're married.
They have businesses.
They're business owners.
They own companies.
They have more to lose.
Where like if you're a leftist, like you're a blue-haired Starbucks worker who's single and you're on like 50 mental medications.
I throw your life away.
tim pool
But how does that play into the fact that you could have a family and have a communication grid?
tony ortiz
Yeah, you're right, but like you're less willing to perform these acts because you're like, well, I don't want to put myself in harm's way because I have five people to have a group chat.
To do what?
To chat about, to LARP about we're going to do something one day?
tim pool
No.
The left has organized insurgent networks.
They're on standby.
The right doesn't even have, the right doesn't even have mutual aid groups the way the left does.
Meaning the left could are literally in group chips being like, bring food to this place.
And the right doesn't have this stuff.
They have small communities.
But again, the point is, if there were to be any kind of civil war breakdown, all of these conservatives say things like, haha, look how dumb and fat they are.
And I'm like, bro, you'd be routed in two seconds.
You have no communications.
By all means, get guns in your basement.
But what do you do when seven leftists are surrounding your house with guns too?
tony ortiz
We used to have that with like churches, right?
The churches used to come together.
tim pool
They're not networked with each other.
tony ortiz
Right.
libby emmons
The churches aren't necessarily networked with each other.
I think what conservatives rely on is that the military would be on the side of law and order.
tim pool
And we saw with Trump's arrest.
libby emmons
And I don't think that they're on the side of law and order.
tony ortiz
We did see that in COVID.
libby emmons
But it would have to be.
tim pool
That's why I'm like, conservatives are going to get to the right.
tony ortiz
The military was like the police.
They were arresting people.
We had that in Texas.
They literally arrested one of our state reps, Shelly Luther.
She went to jail because she wouldn't shut down her hair salon.
unidentified
Right, right.
tony ortiz
Now she's a state rep. But our right-wing governor sent her to jail.
libby emmons
For obstructing ICE.
tim pool
So if it ever came down to it, conservatives are just fractured, disparate, no communications.
They got guns.
Give them that.
So it'll be slow to conquer them.
But communications, it's the most important thing.
The reason why in the battlefields they played trumpets and bang drums was to signal the troops what to do.
If you couldn't send the information, you couldn't win.
And when you look at what's going on in Minnesota with this massive signal group that they keep rebuilding, and you know they operate in other states as well, you can see that if it all went tits up tomorrow, conservatives would be holding an empty bag saying, what do we do?
And the left would be like, take these streets, take these bridges, take these depots.
ian crossland
In 2006, I personally decided that my protest is going to be online.
I'm not going to go stand on a street corner and get rocks thrown at me.
I'm going to change the world with my voice like this show.
Things like this is a protest.
I mean, this is, it's safer.
Of course, if the networks get seized, then these can't happen.
You got to go on the street.
But in the meantime, you know, we've been building out Rumble.
These free systems, not we, but Rumble's been building out these free systems that can permeate and navigate the storm to maintain the revolution.
tim pool
I'm going to read some of these comments because, guys, for those that are listening and commenting, I know it's the 1% rule, but if you can't understand what's being said right now, you will lose everything you have.
And I'm going to make this clear for the people saying, Tim's wrong.
Tim, I would die for my family.
The left has thousands of people networked.
They're dumb as a box of rocks.
But if, let's say, a bridge collapsed, how are you getting from point A to point B?
The first thing you're going to be doing is saying, I don't know what's going on.
And what we see historically in every revolution, civil war or otherwise, is people turn their radios on, they turn the TV on, or they seek out a place where they typically gather information.
So if you're talking about in the past, they go to city centers, town halls, or they go to churches.
The left already knows what to do.
They've pre-planned this.
If a bridge goes down, it may be because they took it out.
How do they get from point A to point B?
That was part of the plan in the first place.
Left's Networked Strategy 00:12:10
tim pool
They have supplies, food, and they know who's in charge.
If everything collapsed tomorrow, conservatives would look to the government and they'd look to online communications.
The left would be already in their mesh network saying, what's our next move?
They're three steps ahead of you.
If you are not concerned about what we learned is going on with the insurgent groups in Minnesota and you're sitting there saying, I've got guns and I die for my family, Tim, you're wrong.
Congratulations.
You are right.
You've got honor, integrity, and weapons, and you would die for your family.
Beautiful, and I respect that tremendously.
Who are you with?
Where are you going?
Where does your water come from?
Where does your food come from?
And who is going to be in control of the weapons surrounding your jurisdiction?
The left has already planned these things out.
They already have your license plates.
They know who you are.
They know where you live.
They probably know what weapons you have.
And before any of that happens, they already know who they have in your neighborhood and they're watching you already.
That's why when James O'Keefe pulled in in a rental car, they knew his phone number.
They knew what he was driving.
This means someone in the state had his license plate and gave access to the database to this insurgency network.
And someone at the rental agency gave the information on the rental to this network as well.
I'm sorry, if you can't understand that, you are cooked.
phil labonte
I think that the fact that the right doesn't protest is part of the reason why.
I don't think that the right are as numerous and organized as the left, but I do think that there are groups of people on the right that are organized.
And I think the reason people don't see them in their net, they're more below the, they're not being, they're not observed is because they don't go out and protest.
They don't have these, they don't have the same kind of infrastructure because they're not outdoing things.
tim pool
Agreed.
It's actually quite simple.
Here's the question.
Has the left formed a state-sponsored insurgency network with access to government infrastructure and weapons?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Yes, they have.
Has the right.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
So who has the advantage in any conflict between the left and the right ideologies?
tony ortiz
I just think the right is, I subscribe to the theory that the right, people in the right, generally have more to lose.
Like nobody is showing up to protest.
tim pool
But does that change what I'm saying?
tony ortiz
Right.
Because you have a lot to lose.
We have businesses.
We have family.
We have children.
Right.
Whereas the left consists more of like a lot of losers, like bottom-tier people that are willing to throw themselves in danger for free cause.
tim pool
So who's got the advantage in a conflict?
tony ortiz
Well, yes, maybe, yes.
I guess, but maybe I'm in my mind.
tim pool
Why not?
tony ortiz
But in COVID, during COVID, my group of people, we were like organized, if you'd call it.
We shared where places were to go to eat that didn't enforce mask mandates, where to get ivermectin, where to do these things.
And it was a right-wing sphere.
Like we all came together.
And maybe that's because I live in Texas, but we were organized.
We didn't have like these mass underground groups and stuff.
tim pool
In the Alex Predi incident, 50 people had swarmed the agents that day.
50.
What people see and what they're being told is that Predi showed up to protest.
He showed up at a protest.
That's not what happened.
A network of insurgents, they're armed.
They have people with guns that were out patrolling.
We've seen all the photos and videos.
It's just that people on the right don't understand the depths of the insurgency and they don't believe it or they don't want to believe it.
And they're also extremely arrogant thinking, haha, we got guns, we're going to win.
Communications is everything.
On that day, CBP had apparently been intercepted by at least 50 different people, which is probably why the agents were freaking out and overly aggressive.
Because this may have been the seventh or eighth time a group of people jumped out of their cars standing in traffic screaming at them.
And no matter where they go, they're being stalked and followed.
These people are on shifts.
And, you know, it's funny because there's, I guess we'll get to a second.
I'll show you this right now, real quick.
We'll come back to it.
But Bonchi over at Red State says the quote, he had an extra mag is the right-wing version of, quote, he crossed state lines, a completely irrelevant qualifier, only meant to elicit assumptions wrong.
Now, the point here is this guy was on duty.
He was on duty for a paramilitary organization whose intentions is fifth generational warfare to resist, their word, the federal government duly elected dispatching law enforcement.
Their intention is quote unquote, I'm not touching you, harassment and warfare.
The goal of the left is to harass to the point where any media that emerges will be a recruiting tool.
That is, get in the face of a cop, punch him in the face if you have to, start filming after he retaliates.
Now, there's a question of why did Predty show up with a nine millimeter with an extra magazine?
tony ortiz
I think it's pretty normal.
I carry an extra magazine.
tim pool
Except he had been on duty with a paramilitary group whose intention was to stalk and harass federal law enforcement operations.
And a week prior, he had been physically attacked, they're reporting, CNN, by CBP and said, I thought I was going to die.
libby emmons
And didn't he have, he had some of his ribs broken.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
So here's a guy who confronted ICE as part of an organized insurgent group who's confronting law enforcement for the purpose of a fifth generational war.
It's a psyop tactic.
He gets injured, says, I'm going to die, shows up next time with an extra magazine and a nine mil.
tony ortiz
I think it's just more simple than that.
I think a lot of these people are losers.
Like, what was Predty a divorcee, right?
Like, he was a low-level loser that wanted to make a scene.
You see a lot of these body cam videos where these people get pulled over, and the first thing they get a speeding ticket, the first thing they do is they whip out their phone, they shove it in a cop's face because they, and they're like, I'm streaming on Facebook, I'm streaming on Facebook.
I think it's simpler than that.
I think that these people are just losers that want to make a scene that they hope they show up on social media.
libby emmons
What does that have to do with what we're saying?
tony ortiz
I just don't think that this idea that he's part of this huge network of really high intelligence organizations.
I think he's just a loser that was carrying a gun.
libby emmons
That sort of makes it so that he doesn't have anything to lose.
And if you have a bunch of people who don't have anything to lose, they're going to go out there.
tony ortiz
Yeah, these are dangerous people, agree.
tim pool
But see, this is what I, I mean, I got to be honest, this is exemplifying the blind spot of the right.
The people who organized this group are not the retards on the ground getting killed.
They don't want to die.
They send people in there stead.
It's like The Patriot, what a best movie ever.
When Cornwallis says to Mel Gibson's character, stop targeting my officers.
Could you imagine what the battlefield would be like?
Chaos?
That's the way they view it.
The people who are organizing these groups have OPSEP, OPSEC training in that viral post.
They have OPSEC hygiene operations.
Now, Predi was dumb as a box of rocks, sure, but that's what you use for a foot soldier.
You're not going to, that guy's not going to be organizing anything.
tony ortiz
I'll give you an example.
Like we had in Texas, we had the John Brown Gun Club, and these guys provided security for these drag shows.
They would show up in all black, open-carrying rifles, right?
One of their leaders was this Asian, this Korean guy, I forget his name now, but he ended up going on.
He was on these lists forever.
He was always an issue.
He'd been following him for years, right?
He'd always show up to protest.
He's like this 5'5 Korean kid.
And he was a total loser.
He'd be kicked out of the military.
His parents didn't really like him, like just total like nobody, right?
Anyway, he went on to be one of the guys that was in charge of like assaulting an ICE facility.
They shot at like ICE officers.
They eventually caught him.
But like, again, it's like, yeah, they were organized in a Telegram group, I think, is what it was.
tim pool
So why is it that these groups still exist years on after all these things have happened?
tony ortiz
I could see your argument like we need to be more focused on getting into these groups and like because he was on these lists.
He always says like they're on the list.
tim pool
But their response is these guys are just dumb losers.
We all agree.
And the dumb losers are weaponized as foot soldiers by the intelligent leftists who are fomenting revolution.
tony ortiz
I don't think, at least from what I saw, that their organization wasn't funded or organized by anybody.
It was just these group of people, these losers, decided together collectively to do this.
There wasn't any higher power.
phil labonte
Characterizing them as a group of losers, I think, is a mistake.
But I think that it's also a mistake to say that the right doesn't have anything.
The left is out there being activists because Donald Trump is in office.
They kind of went underground when Donald, when Joe Biden was in office and they did a little bit of stuff up in the Pacific Northwest.
But the right wing doesn't come out and organize because they're not activists the same way.
So whereas I understand what you're saying, that these people have a network and stuff like that.
I think that the reason you don't see the rights network, because there are signal chats that are a bunch of right-wing dudes, I mean, I'm familiar with that.
tim pool
Again, I've been, I had covered from, what, 2011 till about, you know, 2019 or so in these direct action meetings, watching these people work.
I was in France at a safe house where they were manufacturing weapons for riots.
And the right really does not understand.
phil labonte
What would you consider like Patriot Front?
What about them?
Well, because those guys get together and they train.
Well, you call them the feds, but the guys that are in Patriot Front, if you believe that they're not feds, they get together, they train together, they go to the gym together.
tim pool
It is they're small.
And my point is this group in Minnesota is networked with every other state.
It is a mesh network.
That's why we talk about these anti-fasselles, the groups that I refer to as the tourists.
How is it that we see the same left-wing activists organizing in China, Turkey, California, New York, Canada, Mexico?
Because these people never get caught, never get arrested.
Cam Higbee and Cam Higbee and more so.
Who are the guys that were?
You know, I'm talking about their.
They're finding all the paid, the paid networks.
Yeah Cam, and the guy we had on Lance Videos, Lance Videos yeah, and there's, there's some.
There was another person, I don't know the other person.
Well, the point is the high-ranking intelligent, high-level people.
First, at the highest level, you've got millionaires billionaires, financiers and we all know their names running these organizations and funding these various NGOs that do this.
Then you have the.
Those are the highest level guys.
There are high-level people, smarter than anybody in this room, running and organizing these things, and you're never going to learn their names.
They've networked interstate, and they tell people what to do.
They pay for lawyers.
And when anti-foot, I mean, take a look at this.
They've got judges.
Trump can't even get Don Lemon arrested.
And conservatives are like, I win a civil war.
You have no judges.
You can't even arrest one guy.
Like it is the epitome of arrogance that the right does not have a national mesh network the way the left does.
ian crossland
It's different than the left.
I think the rights, I mean, we want to talk about networks.
Get a shot of that Rumble logo.
Like, let me explain.
The left is a group of street violent thugs.
Look at it.
It's simple, not really.
It's highly intellectual.
They're willing to throw rocks.
The right are businessmen that don't want the system to burn.
They build organizations like Rumble, like things legitimately, like, where's the network?
It's out in the open.
tim pool
I'm just going to go ahead and say I think this conversation and many in the chat exemplifies the point of, I have witnessed powerful multi-millionaire leftists organizing, fomenting violence, planning it, and we know what Yuri Bezmanov talked about.
And it's like, no matter how many times you say the right doesn't have it, they're just like, we don't need it and they're dumb.
It's like, okay.
libby emmons
The thing is, though, the left is highly intellectual because they're all very educated.
They all have graduate degrees in like, you know, Marxist theory and gender basket weaving and all the rest of it.
What I keep being surprised by, and I was surprised when we looked at this Women's March virtual meetup last night, which was a training, right?
Hotels Kicking ICE Out 00:04:07
libby emmons
They had breakout sessions.
And the one that our reporter went into was talking about how to deal with hotels.
And a woman from the Sunrise Movement said, we have started having workers start requesting noise demonstrations.
We call them wide awakes.
Start requesting wide awakes in the middle of the night.
We've had reports of ICE agents leaving after our noise demonstrations.
We've had multiple hotels report to us that they have quietly decided to kick ICE out because they don't want to say it publicly so they don't get backlash, but they've told us they've decided to kick ICE out.
We've even had two hotels.
We've gotten word, not from them, but through the grapevine, they specifically refused to house ICE because of our noise demonstrations.
She said, she said, it sort of comes from the logic of when ICE is here, they need places to sleep, they need places to eat, they need ways to get around.
What are ways that we can physically interrupt the ways that they do that so that we can kick them out?
So what she's saying is they have networks for hotels, lodging, restaurants, food service, and all the transportation.
James O'Keeffe keeps very deep information.
tim pool
James O'Keefe pointed out that when he would go to a hotel, employees were in these grids and would flag his information, and then all of a sudden people would swarm and start stalking him.
But we got breaking news.
We got to jump to this from OS OSINT Defenders.
How did you say it?
Apparently, Illinois was attacked.
unidentified
Oh, I'll be right back.
tim pool
Sprayed by an unknown liquid.
We've got the video here.
ilhan omar
Secretary Kristi Noem must resign or face impeachment.
tim pool
So apparently he had a syringe full of a liquid.
tony ortiz
Does she try to punch him?
She's trying to punch him.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
He's spraying something.
tim pool
He sprayed something on her.
libby emmons
That's awful.
ian crossland
I hope that guy gets put away.
tony ortiz
See, but here's the difference of the reaction between like a military.
phil labonte
Sir, this is not a web user contest.
tim pool
I don't think she's trying to punch him.
She didn't have to be a little bit more.
Her hand is open.
tony ortiz
I don't know.
ian crossland
She was going to reach.
tony ortiz
Yeah, those closed fists.
libby emmons
Look at it.
She did go in.
unidentified
See?
tim pool
That's not a wind-up for a punch.
libby emmons
Well, whatever it is, she didn't back away.
unidentified
She's not going to be able to do it.
ian crossland
She got hit by the liquid.
She backed away.
tim pool
At this point, she needs to be getting out of there and taking that sweater off immediately.
libby emmons
Yeah, that could be some kind of acid attack.
tim pool
Now, what's interesting about this is this comes just after we saw that viral video of the woman saying to fill syringes up and bring them to events.
With what?
Well, I don't know what she said.
Some people mentioned that she was a nurse that worked with like paralytic agents.
But I think, correct me if I'm wrong, what she was saying was that if leftists are showing up with syringes full of unknown liquid on their bodies, ICE and CBP would be terrified to touch them because they could get stabbed and infected or injected with something.
tony ortiz
So just like fake liquid or whatever, just being injected.
tim pool
She made a comment about having something on them, but I mean, it doesn't really matter what's in the syringe.
That's the point.
The point is, if someone splashes you with a clear liquid, I think you're supposed to treat it as a deadly weapon.
ian crossland
I mean, absolutely.
tony ortiz
It'll be interesting to see the fallout from this, like whether we get identification on who this guy is and his political leanings.
I'm sure they'll scrub everything from social media about him.
phil labonte
Not if he's on the right.
Yeah, true.
ian crossland
Just to ramble.
phil labonte
Which I mean, it's likely political.
tim pool
What did he say?
Let's try and get what he says.
He looks anyone make out what he said He looks ethnic.
tony ortiz
try again i don't know for mexican or something impeachment Look at the dude, the old guy in the audience, just kind of just like hanging out, just watching.
Ransacking the Capitol Police 00:09:13
tim pool
I'll say something too about, you know, in the previous conversation, the right is completely unwilling to engage in tactics to win war the way the left is.
And we've cited the Curtis Yarvin quote, which is really great, that the right treats power the way a wine snob treats alcohol, and Democrats treat power the way alcoholics treat alcohol.
The left is, I mean, we were talking about this a moment ago.
The AG in Virginia is saying he wanted conservative children to die in their parents' arms to teach conservatives a lesson.
libby emmons
About gun control.
phil labonte
Yeah.
libby emmons
And he was elected.
tim pool
And yeah.
So, you know, conservatives very much, you know, and it's a coalition, really.
I mean, moderate liberals as well, unwilling to engage in the kind of behavior that wins conflict.
The left, they have no problem.
ian crossland
You can engage in other ways of winning too, but they don't want to engage in the way that the left generally wins.
tim pool
No, no, no.
The right is unwilling to be evil.
And evil is the fastest path towards victory.
phil labonte
Yep.
tony ortiz
So would you say that's the way it should go?
tim pool
What do you mean the way it should be?
tony ortiz
So do you avow this?
Avow this.
If it was a right-winger spraying something to assault and this is beneficial to the left.
tim pool
So my point is the most powerful thing that ICE could have done in the Pridy situation was to stand down and let him get shot.
I'll use this example.
It was the May 29th insurrection.
Is that the date?
I always mix them up.
phil labonte
It was May 20th.
tim pool
May 29th?
I'm pretty sure.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'll check right now.
tim pool
So thousands of far leftists come to the White House and they tear the barricades down and they're beating cops.
They set fire to St. John's Church and they firebombed the White House grounds.
Trump, or more importantly, Barr.
phil labonte
It was May 29th.
tim pool
Yeah.
Barr sends up the cops and crushes the revolt, pushes them out.
The media then says Trump is bunker boy and mercilessly beat peaceful protesters for a photo op.
What should Trump have done if he wanted to win?
Now, unfortunately for the Republicans, this would have been the, I would describe as not necessarily the most of malicious evil, but not the honorable course of action.
And that would have been, Trump should have stood down and let the far left ransack the White House.
What would the narrative have been if the day after May 29th, the White House grounds were aflame, St. John's Church was razed to the ground, they'd say, oops, Trump would come out and he'd say, last night, thousands of far-left extremists laid waste to the White House grounds, set fire to the historic St. John's church and burned it to the ground.
It's been destroyed.
This country cannot tolerate this degree of extremism.
And for this, we are organizing the Capitol Police to go nationwide and hunt down these insurrectionists.
Congress, Republicans, could announce a panel on the M29 committee to figure out how it is that this group was so organized, they were able to ransack and rush the White House and destroy a church and everything they did, the smoke and the fire emerging from D.C. See, on January 6th, Trump wanted the National Guard, but Pelosi wouldn't do it.
The Capitol Police wouldn't bring in backup, and there's a viral video of J-Sixers begging the cops standing around to do something.
Why wouldn't they?
Well, look at the narrative the Democrats got out of it.
Trump incited an insurrection.
It's his fault.
He's no longer eligible to be president.
Look, if they wanted to stop J6, they could have done it in two seconds.
I've seen fatter cops than the ones they had stop bigger riots.
Now, they stood down, let these people storm their way in for whatever reason.
And you could argue it's incompetence.
You can argue, look, I know a lot of cops were fighting on the front of the building, but they didn't get the backup they wanted, and the National Guard won sent in.
Trump went about May 29th in the overt, standard, honorable way.
We will not let extremists damage the White House or burn down churches, send in the troops.
The media loved it.
The left loved it.
Peaceful protesters mercilessly beaten by Trump's Gestapo.
Even though 70-plus feds were injured, a total of like 103 government employees, law enforcement were injured.
The media doesn't care.
But what happened when Andy No was left bleeding from the ears and nose and face?
All of a sudden, there was a narrative emerging that the left had gone too far and they started to panic.
The media couldn't deny it.
Brian Stelter finally got on his show and said, this was wrong and shouldn't have happened.
Because to the regular people not paying attention to the normal public who only get their news and politics passively, they were seeing images of a journalist, a gay Asian, left bleeding, bloodied up with, I think, like his ears were busted.
libby emmons
Yeah, he had a traumatic brain injury.
tim pool
This is fifth generational warfare that the left understands perfectly.
And it goes back to Occupy Wall Street.
Occupy Wall Street only exists because Anthony Bologna pepper sprayed three women standing on the sidewalk.
This is, it's a fact.
The initial weekend of Occupy Wall Street was small and nobody was there.
I mean, not nobody, but it's small.
That week after that, I was there.
It was day three, the third day of the protests, and there was about seven people standing in Zuccotti Park, about seven.
It was raining and we were standing under a tarp and a cop walked over in a trench coat and says, man, more power to you.
They didn't care.
And the guys under the tarp said, don't worry, we're going to do a bigger protest this weekend.
More people will come out when they're off work.
That weekend, more people did show up, and they decided to march through the streets.
The police decided to end the unpermitted march by wrapping everybody up in a kettling net.
And there were three women standing on the sidewalk doing nothing.
They weren't fighting.
They were just standing at their arms down.
And Anthony Bologna, who was a white shirt NYPD, for no reason walked up and blasted him in the face with pepper spray.
In about 12 hours, the video got 1.2 million views on YouTube.
At the time, YouTube still being relatively young.
This was the fastest viral video they had seen.
Excuse me.
All of a sudden, there were occupies in every city across the country.
If Anthony Bologna did not pepper spray those women, there was no press, no attention, nothing.
And then after this, you got the takeover of the Brooklyn Bridge and the mass arrest, which the left then used again and said, the police marched us onto the bridge intentionally and then arrested 300 people.
All of a sudden, now you have 300,000 active, Occupy protesters across the country.
Every major city had an occupied protest.
That's what created it.
They have known since then.
The tactic is, it's the quote, I'm not touching you tactic.
You must be perceived as the victim at all times to win public support and delegitimize the government.
That would mean if Donald Trump on May 29th let the far left ransack everything.
Yes, some people have said the left will claim he's weak.
How could he let these people do it?
And Trump could come out and say, you're right.
I was too weak.
And for that, I apologize.
I had believed the reporting from the press that they were peaceful protests.
And out of an abundance of caution, a fear that innocent, peaceful protesters could be injured, I ordered the police to stand down.
And I was wrong.
I won't make the same mistake twice.
We will be expanding the Capitol police force to hunt down these insurrectionists and make sure they face justice.
Trump and the Republicans keep playing this straight on.
I like it to this.
The left are like ninjas and the right are like samurai, deeply honorable, staring you straight down and saying, this is what I'm going to do if you act out.
Meanwhile, the left are dressing up like handmaidens, walking in the back door and assassinating the emperor while no one's paying attention.
libby emmons
Do you think that conservatives should be organizing and should be putting together groups like the left is doing?
Do you think that that's what should be happening?
tim pool
I think that's not necessarily like what the left is doing, but the right needs to have mutual aid groups and group chats networked with each other state.
State officials should be organizing this among people who care, and they should be in communications, not for tracking license plates, not for disrupting law enforcement operations, but for knowing what to do in an emergency and to generally just be connected because of what we're witnessing the left do.
It also helps to control for who is this guy and why did he do it?
Already people in chat are saying false flag attack.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Ilhan Omar is going to get a ton of attention from this.
A move like this does not benefit the right.
And every person, every single person knows it.
Donald Trump's assassination, the left claimed he faked it.
They claimed that Trump staged his own assassination because of how beneficial it was to him.
With liberals coming out and saying he just won his reelection.
The assassination attempt on Trump's life guaranteed he'd win.
And the crazy thing is, we still weren't entirely sure if Trump was going to win.
But that night on election day, I remember we're sitting at the Daily Wire office and I told the Daily Wire crew guys, I was like, hey, this might get contested.
We may be here, like the election may go on for a week.
Catholics On Honesty 00:02:29
tim pool
And they said, fair point.
We'll give you the studio for the week just to be sure.
And I said, sounds good.
And then that night, clean as a whistle, Trump won.
Slam dunk.
That's the power of these psychological operations and the perception of the American people.
So ultimately, my point is this.
The conservatives and the right don't like lying.
They don't like being lied to.
They don't like being dishonorable.
And they're unwilling to do dishonorable things in war for the most part.
The left is completely willing to and does every day.
And that's why moderates have shifted to the right.
And that's why the quote, he was trying to massacre people narrative did not work.
Because the right is not moved by being lied to.
ian crossland
I think a lot about honesty and deceit.
Generally, I used to think honesty was very virtuous and deceit was sinful.
It's not, according to the Catholics anyway.
They don't care.
You can lie.
I think because they realize that deceiving authoritarian power structures is actually a very good thing, can be a very good thing.
So, like, thinking about Catholics, Catholics and honesty and deceit are not sins and virtues.
libby emmons
Lying is in violation of the Ten Commandments, which is called Judaism.
ian crossland
I'm talking about Christianity.
Deceit is not a sin.
libby emmons
No, That's not it.
ian crossland
Okay, well, pull it up.
You want to value a thousand dollars?
libby emmons
Thou shalt not bear.
ian crossland
You're talking about Judaism.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
phil labonte
Talking about the Bible, bro.
ian crossland
It's a Ten Commandments.
libby emmons
The Ten Commandments are the, they are part of the basis of Christianity, and that is morality.
ian crossland
Modesty and deceit are not a virtue and a sin in Catholicism.
They're not the seven.
They're not even considered in the virtues and sins.
unidentified
I don't know.
tony ortiz
When I give confession, I have to say that.
phil labonte
You got to say, you got to tell the priests are not a cruel.
libby emmons
That's not good.
phil labonte
They're not.
Like, the Catholics don't think the seven deadly sins are the actual sins.
The Catholics think the Ten Commandments.
tim pool
It's a direct violation of the Ninth Commandment.
It is a sin.
Ian.
ian crossland
Okay, I'm talking about Catholicism.
libby emmons
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Just Catholicism.
tim pool
Which arranges the Ten Commandments.
ian crossland
Modesty is not a virtue in Catholicism.
tim pool
In the literal virtues.
That's what I'm talking about.
ian crossland
The seven virtues and the seven sins.
phil labonte
Where in the Bible is the seven virtues?
tony ortiz
Ian's Catholic and I don't know if it's a good idea.
tim pool
Okay, okay, okay.
libby emmons
Let's just clarify this.
tim pool
Ian is referring to the seven vices and the seven virtues.
But that doesn't mean those are the only vices and virtues.
phil labonte
And also, that's not biblical.
Like the seven virtues and the seven vices, those are the title places.
Let's Talk About the News 00:15:26
ian crossland
Let's talk about the news.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
ian crossland
You guys interrupted my awesome point.
tim pool
Okay, let's talk about the news.
We have a viral tweet from the red-headed libertarian, and this makes me look, I got to be honest.
I'm saddened by the death of Alex Predi.
I'm saddened by death in general.
I don't want this conflict and this fighting.
There's an argument over the legality and what people were doing, whether he was right to have been there, armed or otherwise.
But this genuinely makes me feel bad for the guy's legacy.
Josie says, it appears MSNBC gave Alex Predty a tan, a stronger jawline, better teeth, a shorter forehead, and a nose job to make him look hotter for the affluent white female liberals.
They broadened his shoulders, thickened his neck, and gave him biceps.
I kid you not.
Fact check, it's real.
libby emmons
That's crazy.
tim pool
You gotta check this out.
I've got the two articles.
This is the actual photo of the guy.
And he's got a big, long nose.
He's thin, kind of pasty and pale.
It is what it is.
I'm not trying to rag on the guy.
This is the image they made.
They gave him a tan, shortened his nose, widened a little bit.
He's got nicer teeth.
They gave him a broader jaw.
Look at this.
His chest is thicker.
They're here's MSNBC.
They're using this edited photo.
I'm sorry, MS Now.
libby emmons
No, it's Ms. Now.
tim pool
Ms. Now is what they said.
libby emmons
Ms. Now.
That's what I said.
tony ortiz
They read it.
Okay.
tim pool
So they actually do.
Now here's people using the real photo.
People.com using the real photo.
MS Now using the fake edited make him look hot photo with clean, shiny teeth.
This is insane.
tony ortiz
The post-mortem.
phil labonte
That's the touchline version.
tim pool
I'll tell you why they're doing it.
Because when Luigi Mangione got all the press, these women were like, ooh, he's so hot.
And when Tyler Robinson got pressed, they were like, no.
tony ortiz
It's the meme.
It's the meme where the office lady gets hit on by the hot guy and she thinks it's lovely and then she gets hit on by the fat.
libby emmons
And it's sexual harassment.
tony ortiz
Sexual harassment.
tim pool
The goal here is because this will generate sympathy from white suburban females.
They are going to see this guy and they're going to be mad and they're trying to lionize him by making him more attractive.
libby emmons
And then they'll all go get in their minivans and block ice in the middle of the street.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Crazy.
tim pool
It's genuinely insane.
Look at this.
tony ortiz
Do you want a post-mortem glow-up when it's time?
tim pool
But it's got to be really ridiculous.
Like, I need flowing locks and just like massive muscles and perfect teeth.
phil labonte
Like blonde, flowing locks.
tim pool
Yes.
And people will just be like, that's the way we remember him.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Yo, it is.
It is the listen.
We were just talking about in the previous segment the lengths the left is willing to go to win.
The right is not.
And some people on the right sometimes do things like this, but it doesn't work because what motivates the right is calling out the deception and understanding what's happening.
But the left is fueled entirely by these zombie zealots that just believe what the TV tells them.
And they actually gave this guy a post-posthumous glow-up, right?
Post-mortem because they want women to be attracted to him.
They want to pull.
You know, look, I was saying this before Trump won because of suburban housewives.
And it was RFK Jr. who got him there.
So they're attacking RFK relentlessly and they're trying to convince these women to oppose Trump so they can win midterms and shout out the Republicans through by any means necessary.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think it's hilarious, to be honest with you.
It's funny.
tim pool
But wow.
phil labonte
Damn.
libby emmons
You also have the NYPD is now arresting anti-ICE protesters at a Hilton in Manhattan where protesters are agitators, whatever.
These crazy loser leftists are saying that ICE agents are staying there.
tim pool
This is crazy, man.
Look at this.
This is like a, this is what MS Now actually ran on their TV.
phil labonte
Giga Chad Petty.
tim pool
Someone called him Alex Prettier.
libby emmons
That's about right.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You know, looking at.
phil labonte
Well, they did, you know, they did the opposite of Joe Rogan.
You know, the whole actual video during COVID.
nicolle wallace
Video evidence from the scene shows that Predi got between a woman who'd been pepper sprayed and a federal agent who was pepper spraying her.
Predi is then pepper sprayed himself.
He continues to try to protect her, but he's tackled and restrained before ICE agents open fire on him.
unidentified
I don't even know if it's a good idea.
nicolle wallace
It can't be.
And it can.
And again.
Not a single shred of video evidence.
tim pool
Let's see if they have the time stamp on his fault.
tony ortiz
I think we haven't talked about it.
unidentified
Yeah, for real.
tim pool
I mean, this is pretty crazy.
I've had people hitting me up asking me if the SIG thing is real.
phil labonte
Yes.
tony ortiz
And I'm like, yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
And send him the video where the guy pinches it, it fires.
tony ortiz
Didn't the police officer have a misfire like that?
phil labonte
A discharge like that?
They're actually.
Oh, God.
Horrible God.
They're actually firearms instructors that won't allow people to bring SIG 320s to their classes anymore just because it's not worth the risk.
So it is real.
Get a Glock.
That's my call on it.
But, you know, I mean, look, you can't, if the left will adjust the way Joe Rogan looks to make him look sickly during COVID, so they can reinforce their narrative, it makes perfect sense that they would do this to make him look more attractive, make him much more of a sympathetic character.
Charisma and how attractive a person is, whether we like it or not.
That's something that all human beings respond to.
If you've got a, you know, if you're, if you're some kind of weird-looking dude and look, Pretty was not a particularly, you know, attractive guy generally.
tim pool
So they think they removed it because it's not, it's not in here.
phil labonte
Well, maybe they're not.
libby emmons
People didn't realize they got played.
tim pool
Yeah, they may have gone on YouTube and then trimmed that out of the video.
You can do that.
I mean, I can't find it in this clip, but it's on their website.
We found that already.
Like, this is MS Now.
It's literally the thumbnail.
phil labonte
I mean, you can tell.
unidentified
Man.
phil labonte
They make him look a lot less like Ari Shafir in the news.
tony ortiz
He looks right-wing.
He looks like right-wing.
If I saw that guy in the street, I had to judge it or guess his political.
And he's like, yeah, the dude's right-wing.
tim pool
Yeah, I think they call it.
phil labonte
That hilarity isn't true.
He does.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
They're like, oh, look, you make it look like you had some steaks.
tony ortiz
Make him look like he eats protein.
It works out.
phil labonte
He's a member of the Clean Plate Club.
tim pool
I'm curious your thoughts on what's going on right now with Trump saying he called Waltz and that they're going to work on a deal.
See, a lot of people on the left are saying Waltz surrendered.
A lot of people on the right are saying Trump surrendered.
I think this is largely Trump's administration was routed.
Pulling out Bavino and reassigning Noam shows that whatever they were doing wasn't working.
Sending in Homan is plan B.
But I'm curious what you think if this is a retreat surrender and on whose part?
tony ortiz
Man, I mean, I like that we were in there.
I think the optics look bad.
It does look like, it probably does look like a retreat to a lot of people, but I think the Trump administration is going based off of polling they saw, where the majority of people saw what was happening as like an L, right?
They saw it as a bad thing, and they're just responding to that.
So as somebody who supports like ICE going in and rounding up like horrible people and just people that just shouldn't be here, I kind of view it as a retreat.
But I mean, I don't care.
I'm glad.
I hope we go into more cities and we continue doing this.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, look, the right that's angry with Trump for not being forceful enough are going to say that it's a retreat.
The left, if they think that Waltz lost and they think that Trump won, fine.
I'm cool with that.
If that's their perception, you can have that perception.
As for me, I kind of want to wait and see what happens.
I do think that I think Christy Noam's days are numbered.
tony ortiz
I think.
phil labonte
I think, yeah.
And I'm not saying like right away, but I think that she's going to eventually be removed.
libby emmons
And I think that who do you think would replace her?
phil labonte
I have no idea at all.
I haven't even looked into who would be candidates or who might be.
libby emmons
Too bad Giuliani's not up for it again.
phil labonte
Yeah, right.
tony ortiz
But even if it is a retreat, just fine, go to the next city and do this again.
Like just keep doing it.
libby emmons
We can do it anyway.
tim pool
We had another angle of the attack on Ilhan Omar, and I'm wondering if we play this.
You can see the guy where he's sitting.
I wonder if we're going to get if we're able to hear what he says.
ilhan omar
must resign or face impeachment.
tim pool
I think you said something.
I think you said she's not resigning or something.
phil labonte
Maybe.
unidentified
She's not resigning.
tim pool
Because she's calling for Christina to resign.
unidentified
But she's not resigning.
libby emmons
Democrats are trying to impeach her.
tony ortiz
She does charge him, though.
ilhan omar
From Minnesota strong.
And we will stay Brazilian in the face of whatever they might throw out.
tony ortiz
I think it's Trump.
Like, remember he got shot and Trump stayed.
tim pool
Well, the one reason I think it's fake is that she's not reacting to being sprayed with an unknown liquid.
Any security team is going to be like, rush him to the bathroom, get the shirt off now, because it could be a corrosive chemical.
Or it could be a biological agent of some sort.
You can't just stand there.
tony ortiz
I think the normal female reaction would be to freak out too, right?
Like, it is a little weird.
tim pool
It's the response to that on the left is going to be like, Ilhan Omar is strong and refuses to back down.
But for her security to be like, nah, just ignore it.
He sprayed you with something.
You're fine.
Like, that's weird to me.
I don't know.
I'll just put it like this.
Occam's razor suggests Ilhan Omar has the worst security team I've seen in a long time.
I mean, for real, they're like, just keep going about your speech.
Don't mind that he sprayed you with some kind of a syringe.
libby emmons
Yeah, this little bit she keeps going, isn't it?
Like, what is on her?
And that's what she's wearing about pleat shirts.
ilhan omar
Everybody said that.
libby emmons
I mean, look, I don't think material.
tim pool
I don't think they hired a guy to false flag or anything.
I mean, it's a possibility.
I just think it's very strange that Ilhan Omar isn't reacting to being sprayed with an unknown substance.
I mean, you get a letter in the mail with white powder and they lock everything down and then they make you like do a chemical wash or whatever.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
She got sprayed and she's like, eh, who cares?
ilhan omar
Cold down.
I'm going to finish my remarks.
tim pool
She's shaking.
ilhan omar
It is important for me to continue to lead my Democratic colleagues in demanding her resignation.
tony ortiz
What do you think the liquid was?
tim pool
It's probably water.
I think it's water.
I don't know.
I don't think it's actually fake.
It is weird, though, that she's not reacting.
It could just be that she's shocked.
And you can see her hands are trembling.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, look, the point of that is kind of just to be like, you can be touched.
You know, it's to scare people.
It's like, hey, you can.
libby emmons
We got you.
phil labonte
Yeah, we can touch you.
So whether or not there was anything that actually is going to cause harm, the point was to be like, hey, you know.
tim pool
See, the thing is, though, in modern warfare, we know exactly what the outcome of this is.
It's a rallying cry for Ilhan Omar.
She's going to raise millions of dollars.
tony ortiz
Yeah, this is a net game for Democrats, for sure.
libby emmons
Well, not just her.
I mean, the Democrats are all going to use it across the country.
tim pool
No right-wing organizer would advocate for something like this.
So then the question is, who benefits when you watch this stuff?
And it's no one on the right benefits from attacking Ilhan Omar.
libby emmons
Only a lifetime.
It's interesting, too.
I mean, all of our first reactions were, that's terrible.
tony ortiz
That's what I was going to say.
It's like, if you reversed, if you reversed the political leanings on this, they would be celebrating this.
libby emmons
They would love it.
tony ortiz
The left would love this.
Like, oh, I wish, I hope it has acid.
libby emmons
I hope she got hurt.
They still love that Charlie was killed.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Some people, some sick people are that.
libby emmons
Yeah, I mean, there were protesters.
tony ortiz
I'd argue the majority of Democrats.
libby emmons
I was in Minnesota last night.
Yeah, there were protesters out in Minnesota last night.
tony ortiz
No, I said I'd argue that.
ian crossland
I thought that were yelling that to justify that claim.
tony ortiz
What, that Democrats celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk?
ian crossland
The majority of Democrats.
tony ortiz
I would argue that the majority of Democrats were probably okay or happy, okay or happy with the death of Charlie Kirk or chill with it.
libby emmons
It's like 6 million people believe you have no way of proving that or even there were candidates running for office who were openly chill with the murder of Charlie Kirk and their staffers were chill with the murder of Charlie Kirk.
That was uncovered.
Undercover journalists got all that information and all of these people were still elected into office.
So even if those Democrats were not like yay about it, they were certainly fine with it.
tony ortiz
Yeah, they were okay with it.
libby emmons
And they were fine with the attitude.
And I certainly know that when I've talked to, like I talked to people in my life who were uncomfortable talking about Charlie's death, even though even knowing that I knew him, you know, they were uncomfortable talking about it because they did not want to appear to acknowledge that it was bad that someone who they thought was a racist, horrible person was killed.
The people that I'm close to.
And it was kind of hard to deal with it.
So I don't know if it's necessarily the majority, but I think certainly a lot of Democrats, even in private, were perfectly comfortable with the idea that Charlie was murdered.
tim pool
You need only look at the Man in the Street interviews that we've seen from a handful of people where they're literally just in Times Square being like, what do you think?
And they're like, well, Charlie was a bad guy.
tony ortiz
Would you agree that the majority of college campus students were okay with the death of Charlie Kirk?
ian crossland
I don't, I can't, I can't know what, how many people is that that you're talking about?
tony ortiz
Just an average, take an average college campus.
ian crossland
No one could make that assumption accurately.
tony ortiz
No, just take a guess.
tim pool
I got an idea.
Let's, Ian, you want to do a speaking tour colleges?
ian crossland
I was actually just about to go do that before Charlie got killed.
That was been on my mind a lot.
tim pool
I think you'll get attacked at every single one, and they'll try and shut you down.
phil labonte
And it won't be for anything.
I understand why you think it won't be for anything you say.
It'll be for the association.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tony ortiz
And no right-wingers are going to come in and protect you.
ian crossland
I understand why you guys would say those things too, you know.
tim pool
Because they're likely correct.
ian crossland
Well, this is the world you live in, too.
tim pool
I think it's that it's not about the world you live in.
It's like studying the past to predict the future.
Why would you be able to speak at a college campus?
ian crossland
Because of what I'm talking about.
tim pool
Why would you?
I mean, I was to speak at like it doesn't matter what Ben Shapiro was talking about.
ian crossland
I'm going to go to Rice University and talk about graphene or something.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I could do that.
tim pool
I'd be willing to make a bet with you that you will be protested and threatened.
ian crossland
I didn't get attacked when I was there last time.
tim pool
Maybe you didn't go on a public speaking, formally promoted postered event.
Struggle of Immigrants 00:15:55
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You showed up, walked in with one or two guys and no one knew.
ian crossland
Do you think if I did a graphene talk at Rice, I'd get protested?
tim pool
I think if flyers went up saying Ian Crossland is coming, they would absolutely shut you down.
ian crossland
I don't think I'm that divisive.
phil labonte
I'm not even in the public eye to Ian.
That's not remember, but that's not what this is about.
We said it's not because of you, it's because of the association.
ian crossland
That's a long association.
phil labonte
You're on Timcast every night.
Is that a long association?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Is it really?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Why?
You're everyone.
ian crossland
He's like a musician, friend.
I mean, we're like, I know you got power on the street.
tony ortiz
You want to hear that?
tim pool
I love this because, like, the trope of Ian is that he's sleeping, wakes up right before the show starts, sits down, has no idea what's going on.
ian crossland
I intentionally want to hear about the politics fresh when I get here.
tim pool
But it's not about right now.
It's about the past seven years.
Like, you've just not listened.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, Charlie Kirk is dead.
tony ortiz
Who do you think has a higher chance?
Who do you think has a higher chance of getting assaulted on a college campus?
Hassan Piker or Tim Poole?
Assaulted?
phil labonte
Think about it.
libby emmons
You don't have to think about it.
ian crossland
Well, I'm talking like half the answer, even if I think I know what it is.
I'm going to think about it.
Yeah, I'm going to think about the question.
tony ortiz
Okay, what answer.
ian crossland
I think Tim has a hot, there's a higher likelihood because of the political climate.
phil labonte
Hassan Piker can go literally anywhere he wants.
tim pool
Hassan Piker can go into Turning Point USA, will not be attacked.
He can go into and he will not get attacked.
And Charlie Kirk can't even go to his own event without getting shot and murdered.
phil labonte
It's true.
ian crossland
That's a statement I don't disagree with.
I mean, the Charlie part, I don't disagree with that.
It was awful.
But I don't know.
I don't even know why we're talking about how wise are people on college campuses.
Is that really what we're doing?
tim pool
No, it's the political climate and the threat of violence.
That's the point being made.
Because you're acting like you're unaware of what the left represents and what they'll do.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Like, it's not even a question of the left.
It's a question of these jurisdictions.
The AG of Virginia wants conservative children to die.
His words.
It'll teach him a lesson.
tony ortiz
Yeah, if you had a right-wing AG calling for the death of a Democrat president, the right would disavow that immediately.
Yeah, that's horrible.
But a left-winger AG does this and calls for the death of Donald Trump, and they're like, yeah, we're going to vote for him.
And he might win to Libby's point.
phil labonte
He might win.
tim pool
He's going to say what he's got to say to win, right?
libby emmons
And they have Jay Jones won.
Spanberger won, even though one of her campaign aides was caught on camera talking about how everybody on the Spanberger campaign was, you know, not unhappy that Charlie Kirk was killed.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Look, we don't, you don't have to like it, Ian, but that's the reality.
tony ortiz
We're the protests.
That's where the struggle is, guys.
Like, we're at his.
phil labonte
It's not a struggle session.
tony ortiz
I'm sorry to interrupt.
I was trying to fill.
phil labonte
It's not a struggle session.
tim pool
Yeah, no protests at his house.
tony ortiz
Yeah, where's the right-wing response to this AG calling for the death of President Donald Trump?
What are we doing?
We're just mad on the internet talking about it.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, to be fair, like.
What it sounds like you're implying, and I'm hoping that you'll correct me, is you're implying that there should be some kind of kinetic reaction.
tony ortiz
Well, you would think that there would be, at minimum, a protest, which I would think was okay.
I don't want them calling for violence or any kind of physical action on the guy.
Of course not.
But you think there would be some at least basic response where they're protesting his house or they're doing these Democrat wake-up calls or whatever.
phil labonte
I don't think that it's, I don't think that expecting the right to act like the left is a realistic thing.
Like the right really needs something dramatic to get them out of the out of the house.
Because again, I honestly get stuff.
tim pool
I don't want to call it a black pill because that implies an emotion.
But I think mathematically, looking at what's going on right now, the forecast is not good for the right in this conflict.
There's a combination of a lack of ideological fervor required for conflicts like this, lack of organization, and lack of self-awareness.
The left has got a bunch of zombie zealot retards, for sure, but cannon fodder is cannon fodder.
The right relies on government.
And I was talking about this earlier that in the American Revolution, the Americans were fighting for a dream, and the British were fighting partially with mercenaries for pay.
The people who were dispatched, the regulars, the Redcoats, weren't sitting here being like, I have a dream of a great British empire that must be preserved.
They were like, these are my orders, I guess.
Certainly there were some.
There was a Declaration of Independence.
They were loyalists in the United States.
But the Americans were very much like, we are going to have our freedom.
And there's all these profound, give me liberty or give me death.
You don't need to pay someone to fight for that.
So I see these conservatives post that leftists are being paid to do this or paid to do that.
And it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the left represents.
They represent a zealous ideological fervor.
You need no money for that.
In fact, you can simultaneously convince these people to sacrifice their own lives and pay you while they do it.
That's how much they believe in what they're doing.
So the right continues to rely on machines that have failed them.
And that is, you can't even arrest Don Lennon, a guy who committed the crime on camera because the judges ideologically oppose you.
Because Trump doesn't have the plan or the mechanism to actually deal with enforcing the law in these ways.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, he doesn't really have the ability either.
The president can't just pull judges out.
tim pool
Now, I'm not sure reporting is they're going to go for a grand jury indictment after the fact.
But good luck, I guess.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't look good considering how deep the rot is in our judicial system.
The judicial system is the biggest problem we've got now.
libby emmons
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because to Tim's point, and this is something I've thought about a lot in terms of the Revolutionary War, because the Americans were willing to do whatever it took, right?
They basically were pulling guerrilla warfare.
They were fighting on Christmas.
They were doing all of these things that were not part of the rules of warfare.
And the British soldiers were like, as you said, there were the Hessians.
They were getting paid.
They were out there doing what they were told to do.
They were, you know, fighting in the way that wars were fought.
And they weren't expecting a bunch of scrappy people with no food and eating their horses and all the rest of it to come at them so hard.
And we don't have conservatives willing to do that because conservatives are trying to maintain the status quo.
They're saying, we built this thing.
We'd like to keep the thing we built.
And the left is saying, really?
Well, we're just going to burn it down.
We're going to torch it.
And it's hard to fight something like that.
phil labonte
Because the left, like whatever happens for the left is a victory.
I'm going to jump to the street things.
Good.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story.
We have this from Wall Street Mav.
Actually, it's from Lauder with Crowder.
Nick Sortor says the Trump badminton has ordered ICE not to arrest, quote, non-criminal illegals.
One of them actually said, quote, this feels like we have just referred to the Biden days.
Here's the report from Stephen Crowder and Nick Sortor.
nick sortor
One of the stories that I've unfortunately been hearing this morning is that Border Patrol agents have now been given new orders not to, for example, if they were to run a license plate and it comes back as that person is an illegal that Border Patrol was forced to let into the country under Joe Biden, they are no longer allowed to arrest that person.
And is this the first thing that's illegal?
steven crowder
Is this new information that you're just bringing to light right now, that these new orders?
Okay.
And I don't want you to reveal your sources, but you have someone who you trust on this.
You believe this is a matter of official actual approach and policy now.
nick sortor
This actually came from two Border Patrol agents, two separate Border Patrol agents on the ground in Minnesota.
They're very, very frustrated.
Obviously, they feel like one of them actually said that this feels like we just reverted to the Biden days.
tim pool
And I want to stress that Nick had the report on Bovino getting pulled out before everybody else.
So I trust him.
I trust him on this reporting.
And this lines up with what we saw when Trump said that he's pulling Bovino.
There were reports that they were planning to withdraw CBP from Minneapolis.
And this is why many people are saying Trump has surrendered.
I don't see any evidence right now of Trump doing a strategic retreat and regrouping to go back in.
Everything suggests Trump is pulling out and backing down.
ian crossland
You know, two days ago, I couldn't think of any other outcome than that.
I just couldn't.
In my brain, I was like, any other outcome would be bloodshed that nobody wants except for the zealot street soldiers and the activists that are foreign paid or whatever.
But this is it.
This is the only outcome I could see was that, okay, well, we tried in Minneapolis.
It ain't happened in Minneapolis.
Move on to the next city.
And maybe we'll be back in Minneapolis in two years.
tim pool
You know, there's a bunch of different ways to look at it.
And I don't know that I trust a Trump admin enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially after the Epstein files.
But if you wanted to, you could say, Trump's looking at the big picture.
Minneapolis is a hotspot that's generating a bunch of negative attention.
And this one flashpoint risks sabotaging his net positive support right now, which CBP and immigration operations Trump is enjoying a net positive support across many polls.
He may be thinking, we've got 60 operations going on across the country.
Let's not have this one drag us down in the press.
The things where it's going off without a hitch and quietly with no press, we will press and maintain.
Let's let this one die down.
That could be the strategy.
Again, just following the Epstein stuff and what we've seen from Trump in his first term, I don't know that I can give him the benefit of the doubt in that regard.
ian crossland
I think you're right, man.
I mean, I'll reiterate if you want me to.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
What do you guys think about it?
phil labonte
I mean, like I said earlier, I don't know what the strategy is here.
I don't know if there is a strategy even.
I think that one of the things that I guess that I have a problem with Donald Trump about is a lot of times he just kind of is wishy-washy, depending on the polls and stuff.
And if he's getting polls that are saying that his favorability is going down too much because of this, he'll pull out.
He's not.
I mean, look, he had that nickname taco.
Trump always chickens out, you know?
And I hope that this isn't the case.
I mean, I want to see a lot more deportations, and particularly in Minnesota, where the government is clearly involved with preventing ICE from carrying out their job.
They got to do something about this, because if the federal government can't actually execute the law, you know, then other states are going to follow.
tony ortiz
I suppose if I had to make a art, sorry, go ahead.
libby emmons
No, I just think the taco thing is overplayed.
I think a lot of times what you see when people start screaming taco is that he has negotiated to the position that he wanted.
You know, he just negotiates differently than, say, Obama, who's like, let me make all of these concessions before I come to the table.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
But if the position that he wanted was just to get, you know, get some of them out, then.
libby emmons
Well, with Greenland, for example, I think he got what he wanted.
unidentified
Fair.
libby emmons
He got the land and he got control without having to do very much or outlay much cash other than building bases.
phil labonte
But this is one of his signature policies.
Like, deportations is one of the things that he ran on.
It's one of the reasons people voted for him.
libby emmons
Sure, no, I'm with you.
And I think that we do need to deport the criminal, illegal immigrants who are here.
phil labonte
I think illegal immigrants.
libby emmons
I think we need to deport a lot of the people who came in over the past four years.
I think that's really big.
We do have a secure border now.
And I think that one problem that we're going to have is if the Republicans lose in 2028, then we're going to have a situation where because Congress has not strengthened any of the immigration laws, has not done anything to secure the border past, you know, past just watching Trump do it, we could get a Democrat in there who just flings open the doors again.
So I think that a big part of the problem is not just that we're not doing enough right now.
And of course, more could always be done.
But I think a big part of the problem is that Congress is continuing to abdicate its responsibility to the White House.
And that's going to go very badly for America if the Republicans lose in 2028.
phil labonte
Yep.
I completely agree.
And it's not.
libby emmons
Where is Congress?
Why are they betraying us?
phil labonte
Well, because Congress was, Congress was never really on board.
The majority they have is razor thin.
And all it takes is two people to say, no, I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not down with this.
Because the Democrats almost always vote in lockstep.
libby emmons
And we're looking at another government shutdown this week, probably.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, Fetterman said that he won't vote for a shutdown.
Like he won't let, you know, but that's not.
libby emmons
The rest of the caucus probably will.
tim pool
I love the Fetterman meme.
He got bongs on the noggin, and now his brain's working properly.
ian crossland
That guy's awesome.
Michael Malice called it, too.
Yeah, I thought it was going to be a bit more.
tim pool
It's strange, but he says, he seems to say a lot of the right things, but he votes the wrong way.
phil labonte
Well, if he won't vote for a shutdown or what have you, then that's a positive.
But even still, it's not enough.
It's not enough to beat a filibuster.
tim pool
I think Trump's known this for a while, and we've discussed on the show before that there's a realization.
I mean, guys, what's silver at?
110?
Gold's at 5,150.
I think Trump knows full well that the collapse of population is going to cook the American economy.
And many other countries are going to feel the exact same way.
And I think he's very much, you know, they read him the Riot Act.
You deport these illegal immigrants Biden brought in.
Economy crumbles and America falters kind of takes over.
And Trump was like, okay.
And so the ICE operations, they're not mass deporting millions.
They've gotten estimated in hard deportations, 300,000.
That's it.
And Trump's targeting the worst of the worst of criminals, which we all agree makes a lot of sense.
But I don't think Trump has any intention of going after run-of-the-mill illegals who are just taking jobs.
phil labonte
Yeah, I tend to agree with that because of his comments about, you know, oh, hospitality.
tim pool
Remember, there's people who are here, we're going to let him stay because we need them.
And then he got backlash and then said, okay, no, no, we're going to walk that back.
But he's not.
libby emmons
Well, but that's what Tom Holman has been saying all along is we're going to deport the worst of the worst.
We're going to deport criminal, illegal immigrants, you know?
And the way that you end up with the deportations of people who are just hanging around is in the sanctuary cities where ICE agents have to go out and they've said, if we encounter people who are here illegally, we'll arrest them too.
But they're not going after the people who don't have criminal convictions or warrants or charges or what have you.
phil labonte
If they don't pass the SAVE Act and figure out a way to secure elections and they don't deport enough people, then the census in 2030 is going to be a mess.
And even if Republicans win but don't do these things, right?
So say the Republicans keep the House and they keep the Senate in 2026.
And then in 2028, JD Vance wins, but they don't do anything about the illegals that are here, then the census is going to be a shit show again.
And Democrats are going to roll in in 2032.
Water Security in Rural Areas 00:03:24
libby emmons
Well, and conservatives still don't have a network of mutual aid, et cetera, et cetera.
So then you have like a whole situation, right?
tim pool
Wars are fought on soldiers' bellies.
ian crossland
You can always send someone some Bitcoin via the Rumble wallet.
That's a good network.
libby emmons
You could utilize that.
Do wars have to be fought on soldiers' bellies in the age of Ozimpic when no one eats anymore?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Because calories matter.
That's it.
And, you know, people need to, I think many people would benefit from looking up past conflicts and current ones and take a look at what happened with the Arab Spring, especially.
Read the local reports in the history on, say, what happens to Syria, what happens to Aleppo.
Look at these photos of how beautiful Aleppo was.
And then after the Civil War, it's just rubble.
It's just wiped out.
So, you know, a lot of people commenting saying things like, try that in my town.
So.
libby emmons
Jason Aldean said that.
tim pool
Sure did.
And let's say there is a real conflict that breaks out, like an actual civil war.
Will your small town be able to secure its points of, you know, its trade routes, its bridges, its waterways?
And where does your water come from?
So right now, a question for most of you is, where does your water come from?
I assume most conservatives can answer that question.
However, if you're suburban or urban and you're right-leaning, you probably don't know.
For most conservatives, actually quite easy.
You're well.
You probably got a well on your property.
Most people live in rural areas have wells.
Then the question is, is your groundwater secure and free from possible sabotage or contamination?
For rural areas where you're actively involved in conflict, I don't suspect that it's effective for any kind of left-wing group to go and try and sabotage 50 different wells.
But if you're in a suburb, they often have like water reclamation facilities and closed aquifers.
And like outside the Chicago area, there are these areas where they collect rainwater and there's areas, they have reservoirs and they block them off because they can be easily contaminated.
And so it actually happens quite a bit where kids are goofing off and then the police are like, stop, get away from there because it could be bad for the water supply.
Batman style, right?
When he was going to put the fear toxin in the water for everybody.
But the question is, can you defend where you are, but more importantly, do you have access to resources?
The benefit for conservatives is that they tend to have animals in rural areas.
You're going to have animals.
You can have access to drunk water.
Be more self-sufficient, but you're further away from everybody.
So it's easier to get isolated by a small group of insurgents.
And I just think take a look in those considerations, especially in suburbs.
A lot of suburbs tend to be, you know, somewhat right-leaning or at least a little bit more conservative, but still dependent on city infrastructure, which can be easily sabotaged.
phil labonte
I mean, look, there are a lot of people on the right that are aware of these things that you call them preppers or what have you.
But the venom, the vulnerabilities, they tend to be more than one person can handle.
So you do need to have some kind of network.
That's about all I'm going to say about that.
ian crossland
I have a water filter that I carry around with me.
It's called a, oh, geez, what are they called?
phil labonte
Cove Pure.
ian crossland
No, not that one.
phil labonte
Life straw.
ian crossland
Yeah, live straw, live straw in my backpack at all times.
tim pool
Get a it's actually really scary that people don't know where their water comes from.
Population Collapse Anecdotes 00:08:50
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
People don't know.
It's scared me.
It's wild because 100 years ago, every single person knew where their water was coming from.
ian crossland
It's like the human phenomenon of no people not caring until it directly affects them.
phil labonte
Like, well, yeah.
ian crossland
So many things in life are just like, whatever.
tony ortiz
And this person can't even name their mare, probably for their city.
phil labonte
I mean, oh, yeah, seriously.
tony ortiz
Dude, I'll say this.
phil labonte
Like, there's a lot of people that when COVID went down, people were like running around, like, what am I going to do about this?
What am I going to do about that?
My life didn't change one bit.
Right.
Like, I went to Walmart and I was like, oh, wow, there's no toilet paper.
Good thing I got some at home.
Right.
tim pool
Like, I actually got into a fist fight with an old lady over the last can of beans.
Knocked her ass out.
ian crossland
I thought you were going to say she got it.
tim pool
The can flew in the air, caught it and ran.
No, I'm kidding.
We were fine.
You know, it's the crazy thing about being in the news 24-7, always, every single day watching the breaking news.
We knew it was going on before it even happened.
So I was covering the COVID outbreak in China before anyone in the United States even knew it existed.
ian crossland
Iraq.
tony ortiz
You knew it as early as November then, right?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
It wasn't.
It was early January when people were collapsing on the street in viral videos in China.
And YouTube actually told us explicitly, you can't talk about this.
It's weird.
Yeah, that was.
And then they were like, you're not going to get banned for it, but we'll demonetize any video you make, which is like soft censorship.
And I was like, well, I'm not going to ignore this.
This is crazy.
tony ortiz
There was a moment with the right when people that saw that stuff that we were panicking.
I was wanting to buy masks.
Yeah, I bought a mask.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
People were sending me masks.
And then all of a sudden a month later, they're like, don't wear a mask.
And I was like, huh?
You sent me a box of masks.
tony ortiz
And then people were saying all these people were dying and stuff.
And then you'd sit around, you look at the numbers, you're like, no, this shit makes sense.
It's actually not that bad.
tim pool
No, I disagree.
I think it actually was substantially worse.
And I think the real conspiracies, they downplay the actual death.
tony ortiz
So you think more people died in America from COVID than the World Cup.
In the World Cup.
tim pool
Yeah.
Watch these videos from people who have, you know, I did a reaction video to one of these on the Tim Pool show channel.
There's a guy who's like, China's supposed to have over a billion people, yet all their city centers are empty.
Stores are closing.
The malls are empty.
They're lying about their population.
And I was like, I don't know.
Or 300 million people died.
They locked them in, or locked them in their houses.
Where we're at in West Virginia, we've been there for several years.
Since COVID, none of the businesses have recovered.
And so the question is, how?
How have they not recovered?
I mean, at least by now, we need food for people.
No, they're continually collapsing and they can't find employees to work jobs.
And so there's a bunch of arguments as to why it seems that people are gone.
One example I gave is on the 4th of July.
I think it was last year.
We went to Chicago and I drove through my neighborhood and there was nobody.
When I was a kid growing up on the south side of Chicago, every block, you'd walk down the block, look to your left, kids launching fireworks.
You'd walk to the next block, fireworks.
You go to Venom Park.
They're playing baseball.
There's folding chairs everywhere.
People are grilling.
Everyone's partying.
Explosions in the distance.
The next day, July 5th, we'd go walking down every street, picking up all the free fireworks left behind.
Last year I went, weeds growing in the baseball fields, soccer nets put up in the middle of them so you can't even play baseball anyway.
Nobody was playing soccer.
And I was asking my buddies, where is everybody?
And they're like, nobody goes outside anymore.
And I was like, no, no, no, hold on.
You can't just say they're on the internet because internet numbers have also gone down post-COVID.
During COVID, viewership was high.
It has normalized.
So we're simultaneously seeing no one going outside and we're not seeing the internet numbers where you'd expect them to be if people were just inside of the internet.
And so there's another element of this is that people didn't have kids.
So there are no kids to go outside and play.
And I think that a potential component as to why it's not just the U.S. where people are reporting, it seems like towns are empty.
And there's a bunch of new ghost towns forming.
Universities collapsing.
I think it may actually be that the initial predictions on COVID were true and they're just not, they don't want people to know.
tony ortiz
I know, you think it's also like a culture change?
Like you see these Gen Zers, they don't, they reported today that Twin Peaks filed for Chapter 11.
Twin Peaks is like one of these Hooter adjacent restaurants and like it's filed for Chapter 11 because Gen Zers just don't go out anymore.
They don't engage in high-risk risky behavior.
They don't drink.
They don't smoke.
They don't, they're not having sex.
tim pool
We're not seeing the online viewership numbers.
tony ortiz
There's more content out there.
Like there's more people.
tim pool
There is, but we're actually seeing viewership go down for everybody.
libby emmons
Aren't we having like a population collapse?
This is something that's not.
tony ortiz
There's more than one kid.
tim pool
So that's Gen Alpha.
So the question is, but millennials all the same.
So there was this video where it was a Chinese guy talking about China's supposed population of 1.4 billion.
Yet all of the major roadways are closed, like are empty.
Since COVID, it seems like there's nobody around anymore.
And that doesn't make sense for a country that has 1.4 billion.
So he said, I think China's lying about their population actually have 500 million.
And I'm like, or a lot of people are dead.
tony ortiz
So you think that COVID just wiped out a ton of people?
tim pool
I'm not saying I know for sure.
I'm saying it's an interesting idea.
We know that China was running crematoriums non-stop.
We have the satellite images, even CNN.
I did a big thing breaking this down.
CNN reported during COVID, China was running crematoriums 24-7.
You can see the smoke rising.
And during COVID, we had talked about it.
And it's not like this was never a big conspiracy that was happening.
Again, CNN reported China was running crematoriums 24-7.
And it particularly freaky as to why.
tony ortiz
How do you explain the U.S. population?
What about it?
Well, like you're saying that viewership's down here, American, that would imply that there's less Americans now.
tim pool
Indeed, we're seeing businesses close.
At least post-COVID, businesses haven't recovered.
tony ortiz
What I'm saying is anecdotal because I'm in Texas.
I didn't see.
Anecdotally, I know three people that died of COVID personally.
I caught COVID twice.
I don't think I know anyone that I know that they were all boomers in my, they were like really.
tim pool
There are businesses in the, in like western Maryland, Virginia, and the West Virginia area that have never recovered after from COVID.
They've shut down, never come back.
And there were businesses that did try to come back.
And then I don't want to single out anyone's private details, but there's a restaurant that closed and we used to eat there.
And I asked people, how did they go out of business?
unidentified
I don't understand.
tim pool
And they said, they couldn't find any staff.
They couldn't find anybody to work.
libby emmons
There was a restaurant I really liked and it went under too.
That was why.
And then they switched and you could only get takeout and you couldn't sit down.
tim pool
There's also a friendly stuff doing breakfast.
libby emmons
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Super, super, some high-end restaurants in our area announced they were just going under because they couldn't find people to work.
tony ortiz
In our area, the Walmart stopped being 24-7.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
They closed their 10.
I think we have seen signs of population collapse across the board post-COVID that isn't explained by people are just at home.
libby emmons
Well, and West Virginia is a state that people have been moving into.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
More than out of.
tim pool
Let's jump to this.
We'll get one more segment, and this is from Interactive Polls.
This is a hammer drop politically.
The 2030 census apportionment forecast update.
Take a look at this.
This actually is also just generally showing you net immigration.
So California is going to lose four, Oregons losing a seat.
And then you can look at Idaho, Utah, and Arizona gaining a seat.
You've got Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois losing seats, only losing two.
New York losing two.
You've got PA losing one seat.
Look at that.
Texas gains four new seats.
Florida gains four.
Georgia gains one.
North Carolina gains one.
You can see everybody's fleeing.
You can see where they might leave.
tony ortiz
U-Haul publishes every year they publish a report based on how many people are booking one-way trucks to a specific area.
And Texas had the top five cities or top four, I think.
It was like Austin, Dallas, Houston, and McKinney.
libby emmons
Man.
tony ortiz
McKinney, Texas is northeast of Dallas.
unidentified
Okay.
tony ortiz
It's a suburb.
So, yeah, everybody's coming to Texas.
And I don't blame them.
Somebody's from Texas.
tim pool
Poor Rhode Island losing a seat.
libby emmons
Are you born and raised in Texas?
tony ortiz
No, from Illinois, Chicago.
Oh, you're from Chicago.
Yeah.
Lower East Side.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Did I know that?
I probably knew that.
We probably talked about Port Pillow.
We probably talked about Portillos quite a bit.
Yeah.
tony ortiz
We have Portillas in Texas now.
tim pool
Yeah, because also another funny thing is that In-N-Out left California.
Right.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
libby emmons
So they're in Tennessee, their headquarters in Tennessee.
tony ortiz
And we're getting White Castle in Texas here soon.
unidentified
Wow.
tony ortiz
Yeah, everybody's coming to Texas.
libby emmons
West Virginia.
tony ortiz
We need the mountains in Texas.
Well, I should say, I shouldn't say that.
phil labonte
We have hills.
tony ortiz
We have hills and sand dunes.
libby emmons
But you have like lake countries, too.
Casinos and Gambling Mechanics 00:16:00
tim pool
I don't like, it is unfortunate.
I don't like Florida or Texas.
tony ortiz
Texas is very boring.
It's very flat.
There's not a lot to do.
A lot of poker rooms and have sex and I guess backdoor poker rooms.
libby emmons
Thank you for that sex.
tim pool
They got big billboards.
tony ortiz
In Texas?
tim pool
Texas?
tony ortiz
Gambling's illegal in Texas.
tim pool
Not poker rooms.
Texas.
tony ortiz
Oh, like, okay.
tim pool
Casinos are illegal.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yes.
Yeah.
The Lodge Card Club, shout out.
Probably the most notable card room I would imagine anywhere.
And it's Texas, baby.
tony ortiz
They keep trying to legalize casinos in Texas, and they just won't do it.
tim pool
Well, you've got, what is it, WorldStar?
Not WorldStar.
What's the in Oklahoma, the biggest casino in the world?
tony ortiz
Oh, I forget.
But they lobby against legalizing in Texas because they've hurt the colours.
unidentified
Exactly.
tony ortiz
The casinos on the border of Oklahoma, they suck.
I took the wife once and she was like, no, no, not that.
tim pool
Not that one.
What's going on?
I've never been there, but it's apparently like miles wide.
unidentified
Really?
tony ortiz
I'll have to go look at that.
libby emmons
It's like on an Indian race.
tony ortiz
Where do you fall on the pro-gambler or pro-casino?
tim pool
I am anti-I'm actually ambivalent.
I think the problem with gambling expansion is that like the ubiquity breeds addiction.
But I also am not someone who thinks we should ban things based on someone else's addictions.
Otherwise, we'd be banning alcohol too.
I think a lot of conservatives are very moralistic and like gambling is bad.
You should never allow it.
And I'm like, well, a guy who gets off work and goes to the sports book with his buddies and puts 50 bucks down on his Super Bowl or something just to have a good time.
And that's all he does.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
He's trying to get a little excitement on Friday night with the boys.
He's been occupied with work and he wants to, you know, he wants to feel that rush when he sees it coming in and he's bent on his money line.
tony ortiz
He's like, yeah.
tim pool
And it's just 50 bucks.
It's a problem when you see people.
I've heard stories, man.
There was a lady, she got arrested.
She mortgaged her house without her husband knowing and then took the money to a casino, lost it all in like a half an hour and then started having panic attacks.
I've heard stories about a guy who did the same thing and You see it all the time, man.
You go to these casinos and you wonder how it is.
I tell you, I wonder how it is.
I watch a guy at a craps table with 10 grand just playing craps.
And I'm like, what does this guy do?
Actually, I'll tell you a funny story.
We were at Hard Rock in Tampa this past weekend, me and my boy Robbie.
Shout out to Robbie Mann.
And we were in the high limit area.
And I was talking with one of the servers.
And she had brought a drink to Robbie.
And so we gave her a tip.
And she's like, oh, thank you.
And it was a good tip.
And then she was surprised by it, which I didn't think was actually that big of a tip.
And I asked her, I was like, do people in the high limit like not tip you?
And she's like, well, you'd be surprised.
And I was like, I guess not, because the perception is either they're rich snoots that don't actually want to give any money away and that's why they're rich.
That's actually not true.
The reality is the people who are playing in there are pretending to be rich.
Yeah.
They don't actually.
tony ortiz
50K millionaire.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, I was playing at MGM in DC.
I was playing some poker and a guy sat down and it's one of the funniest experiences.
I love this stuff, man.
And he's throwing money around like a lunatic.
It's low stakes.
It's a $500 buy-in and that's low stakes.
And he makes a dumb bet, loses, and then he goes, you think I care?
And then he pulls out a wad of cash.
He's like, I got $10,000 right here.
And everyone goes, whoa.
And then I was like, wow, man.
And he goes, he's like, yeah, this money doesn't mean anything.
And he throws more bills on the table.
And he's like, buy me back in.
And then he kept doing that.
And then I was like, if you don't mind me asking, like, what do you do for a living?
And he goes, I'm an engineer.
I make $600,000 a year.
And it's like, okay, you know, you got money to spend, but $600,000 a year.
I mean, so he's, if it taxes, maybe he's doing $30K a month take home.
He's living in DC, which can be moderately expensive, but he might have like $15,000 disposable income every month to go and throw around three, four grand at a poker table.
But you can't do that every day.
You can't do that every weekend.
It's something where this guy probably shows up once every other month to dump three grand and pretend that he's ultra wealthy.
Super rich people.
The story is that Bill Gates walked into a casino, put $20 on blackjack, lost, and went, I'm done, and walked out.
Like he didn't need to play.
So anyway, the point is, I find that you go to these casinos, most people don't have the money to play at these levels, and it's insane that they do.
So like there's a game.
Are you familiar at all with casino games or anything like that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you know what Mississippi stud is?
I don't.
Mississippi stud, we call them carnival games.
You will ante.
So let's say it's a $10 minimum.
You put $10 down.
Dealer gives you two cards.
You look at them.
If they're good, you can bet $10 for them to reveal a third card.
If you like it, you can bet again.
He'll flip over a fourth card, then a fifth card.
Give me a five-card poker.
And you get Jacks are better.
You win money.
So the way it works is, let's say you get dealt Ace King if you put 10 bucks down.
You look down at Ace King.
It's good.
You pay $10 more and they'll flip over the next card.
Let's say they flip over an ace.
You have a pair of aces.
You're a winner.
So then you can triple up the next two spots because you know you've already won.
That's the game, right?
So $10 means if you want to play a full hand at minimum, it's $40.
At maximum, it's $100.
Who the is betting $100 a hand?
A hand takes 20 seconds.
Then you go to some of these casinos like MGM or you go to Hard Rock, Tampa.
I mean, literally any casino.
And we're there on Saturday night and the minimum is $25.
That means at minimum, one hand is $100.
At maximum, $250.
Who the is sitting down and being like, I can play a 20-second game for $250 consistently for the next hour?
I don't get it, man.
That stuff makes no sense to me.
tony ortiz
It's degenerate behavior.
tim pool
I think what people are doing is, and you can see this the way the casinos do their tier structures or reward structures.
It looks to me based on like the hard rock tier structures, they expect most people to play like once every four months.
It's ridiculously easy to get status with hard rock.
Seems like their players are largely tourists who fly in, lose their money instantly, and just leave right away.
And then you look at the pen casinos for which they're the second biggest casino network.
It's ridiculously hard to get status.
They expect you to be a regular who lives in PA who goes every day to the casino and grinds money or something.
So anyway, long story short, casinos are bad that we're expanding them so rapidly.
I got no problem with like, oh, there's a casino, a couple hours drive, and you go there and you have fun.
But it is getting pretty terrifying that we have a gambling economy, especially Gen Z is just Gen Z is becoming just enthralled with gambling.
tony ortiz
Oh, yeah, this prediction companies, there's like prediction betting is huge.
Even in politics, like you can bet on the outcomes of races and stuff.
tim pool
I mean, here's a crazy thing.
This is the future economy.
It's the prediction economy.
We have an attention economy right now.
But if you are someone who's smart, this is going to be really weird.
So the people who watch Timcast IRL can probably become millionaires off of any prediction market.
If you watch this show every single night, I'll put it like this.
If you watch every video I make, you are going to be on the forefront of what is happening in news.
You'd then go to a prediction market.
And if they're saying something like, will Donald Trump do a backflip or whatever?
And you can be like, wait a minute.
I was just, it says 60% yes.
I literally just watched Tim Poole show a statement from Trump saying tomorrow at 9 a.m. I'll do a backflip.
I'm buying yes.
And then Trump does it because you're paying attention to the news.
I talked about this with stock trading.
Like if I hired someone to trade stock based on the news reports we covered, I'd be a billionaire right now.
Because like, so for example, when Elon was buying X and the Tesla stock collapsed, I'm like, that makes no sense.
Tesla's doing great.
The media, people are just selling the stocks are scared about Elon making a risky venture on X.
So I bought a ton of Tesla stock.
Paid out handsomely.
So these prediction markets, I think we're going to find is there's right now, I guarantee you, we're on the verge of seeing a ton of Gen Z influencers who literally just can understand what's likely to occur and they bet on it and they win.
And there's going to be jobs rooted in, and the AI is going to track it, predictions.
Human networks that predict things, the AI then puts that in its machine.
tony ortiz
Yeah, I was going to say, wouldn't it just be easier to just defeat all these videos and like all this into AI and have the AI like make bets based off of what's going on?
tim pool
I'm sure for now it's not really capable of doing it, but it's the inverse.
It's that the prediction markets are the wisdom of the crowd determining the probability of an event to occur.
And that is fed into the AI and the AI then can utilize that for assessments on whatever their plan is or what they want to do.
ian crossland
You know what I think I don't like about gambling because I do kind of like gambling.
It's fun is online gambling.
The accessibility to it, like, because they could easily someone could develop an app where it's just a big red button and every time you press it, there's a 49% chance you double it and a 51% chance that it goes to zero.
tim pool
That exists.
ian crossland
And it's directly tied to your bank account.
And everyone over 18 might have it.
You just hit there and slam the button over and over until your account either says plus or minus.
What's it called?
tim pool
So all of these online apps have a game where it's zero to 100 and then you can change the range for the payout.
So you can put it at 1 through 25.
And when you press the button, if the RNG hits 1 through 25, you'll win 3 to 1 or whatever.
And so people literally just mash the button and then you see it go 43, 17, 16, 81.
And they're going, yes.
And their minds went, I think I've seen that.
ian crossland
In those situations, they have to deposit money into an account with that service in order to use it.
tim pool
Well, it's technically yes, but if it's crypto-based, they're basically using their address and just having them.
ian crossland
That's risky.
Because you want to create friction for vices in general.
Adults can handle them in moderation, but for kids to go out there and just be like, smash, like lose, and then they lose.
And especially if it's directed to your paycheck and it's like auto-deducted, you've got to be careful.
tim pool
There are these prominent gambling influencers where you only ever see their big wins.
And the perception created, and the casinos love it, is that you can be a winner too.
But these slots, these machines, they don't work this way.
It's funny, I watch these videos where some guy's like, I'm going to be betting $2,000 a spin.
And then they hit the million dollar win.
And it's like, yeah, that doesn't happen.
So there's one theory that it's all rigged and fake.
One theory is that what will happen is an influencer will go to the casino and say, I want to make a video where I play baccarat and win a bunch of money or lose a bunch of money.
They'll hand the chips to you.
You'll film the hand, win, they'll give you the chips.
You go, yeah, I won.
Camera's off.
Here your chips back.
So you never actually had the money.
Or you lose, never actually had the money.
Or they point you to machines that they have set to win better.
The argument is that typically they say slot machines are all regulated.
They have to pay out based on RNG.
No one believes that.
No one.
That makes no sense because the argument would then be a casino would buy a slot machine and then at the moment they put it in, you hit a button and win a million dollars.
Well, how is the casino going to pay out that million dollars if they just got the machine in there?
So the assumption people make is the machine has to take in a certain amount of money before it can pay out.
Now, the legitimate argument is no, the casinos have to have a cash reserve for the potential for any payout before offering up any wagering.
Makes sense, right?
Talk to any slot manager or slot dealer, and they tell me the same thing every time.
The new machines never pay out.
It takes a few months before the people hit jackpots.
Same thing every time.
I was at, we were at Tampa on the high limit slots, this guy, he puts in five grand and he's like, I'm going to show you guys something.
And he puts in five grand to a Huff and Puff and he just he hits it.
10 minutes later, all gone.
His money was gone.
And Undy goes, he says, you got to play this machine right now.
So I sit down, I put in $100, I hit the button twice, $10 spins, I won $2,200.
Because the assumption people have is the machines are programmed to take in a certain amount before they can pay out a lesser amount.
Now, we're told by the gaming commissions and everybody, that's not correct.
It doesn't work that way, but it certainly seems to appear that way to literally everybody who gambles.
ian crossland
Is the code proprietary?
Are you familiar?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, it's all proprietary.
Yeah, a lot of machines are Konami machines.
Yeah.
I don't trust any of it.
unidentified
Konami machines?
tim pool
Yeah, Konami, the gaming company.
tony ortiz
The Pachinko machines.
Pachinko machines.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So there's also, like we talked about in Mississippi, a lot of casinos don't, very rarely do you see hand shuffle for table games.
In Vegas, it was the way they dealt it was they have a shuffle master shuffles the deck, pulls it out, then they cut the deck.
However, for a lot of these games, the machine will auto shuffle and the machine knows exactly how many players are at the table.
So it'll spit out the first hand, he'll hand it to you.
It'll spit out second hand, he'll hand it to you.
And then it'll spit out the third hand, he'll hand it to you.
It'll spit out the fourth hand, and it'll press the button, and it'll spit the whole deck out.
That tells the machine three players.
The presumption people have, again, maybe it's a conspiracy, is that I put the argument like this.
If it is legal for a slot machine to pay out only at 90%, meaning they can control the outcome, it's not random, why would it not be legal for shuffle machines to rig the shuffling of the decks to guarantee they only pay out at 90%?
ian crossland
You're saying it is legal for the slot machines to pay out at 90%?
tim pool
It is the standard that slot machines pay out.
You can check.
Every state has a different number based on their gaming commission.
Vegas is considered to be the best.
They have machines that are on a 99% payout.
That means for every $100 that goes in, 99 goes out.
You're hoping to be that person who puts in the dollar and wins the 99, right?
And that's the norm for slot machines.
The argument for games like Blackjack, when there's a big auto shuffler, but they cut that.
It's a lot harder.
And Blackjack's probably one of the safest games.
But for games like Ultimate Hold'em, four-card poker, where a machine deals the hands out, it would be really easy for the machine, knowing how many players are at the table because of how many hands go out, to routinely determine the proper shuffling of a deck to make sure the casino wins or only pays out 10% of the money that comes in.
ian crossland
And like for one hand, I mean, the code could shift for a hand if it's remote.
tim pool
There's two decks.
So the way it works is the next hand is already shuffled when this hand is being played.
The deck goes in, it eats the machine, and then it spits out the next cards.
So it's already pre-loaded.
The other thing to understand is that random doesn't exist in computer code.
There are ways to simulate it using static, for instance, but it's typically an algorithm to simulate RNG, which means, to be fair, it's not really random when a machine shuffles a deck, but they're probably using hash codes that generate 15 billion potential shuffle orders.
So you're technically getting RNG.
ian crossland
I want to get really good at rolling dice because there's nothing random.
You're throwing a thing that's not.
tim pool
Skillshotting dice is possible.
And that's why casinos have added ridges on the back of craps tables and require the dice to hit the back wall.
If you throw about three times without hitting the wall, they'll tell you you have to hit the wall.
Otherwise, they're going to stop you from rolling.
So you'll watch any, I don't want to say pro, because it's not really a game you get pro at.
Craps is fairly random, but they line the dice up a specific way and they throw it a certain way because you can skill shot dice.
Skillshotting Dice Matters 00:02:44
tim pool
Yeah.
tony ortiz
It's too stressful, man.
I play Arc Raiders.
That's stressful enough.
ian crossland
I used to trade crypto in the day.
That was a lot of stress.
Well, your own money is coming in and going out.
tim pool
Crypto is basically printing money.
It's so easy to get rich off crypto.
ian crossland
Especially if you read the white papers.
unidentified
It is.
ian crossland
You see them coming ahead of time.
You're like, at least this was like 2018 when I was doing that.
tim pool
It's memes.
It's ridiculous.
Like, this is why, oh, there's a funny story.
Did you see the guy who launched a token and then rugged the first guy who bought a dollar?
ian crossland
That was so good.
tim pool
Launched a coin, a guy, bought one dollar, and then he rugged him.
tony ortiz
Get a whole dollar.
tim pool
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Shane H. Wilder says, as a Texan trying to get home on a delayed flight from D.C., I want to remind all Texans that congressional special general runoff elections are this Saturday.
Go vote.
unidentified
Go vote.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
ian crossland
Big one.
tim pool
Oh, Midwest says, with the overwhelming evidence coming out of Minnesota with SignalGate, what was the point of designating Antifa a terrorist organization, especially to the degree of how they're operating, they're not being black.
What is it?
They're trying not to be black belt.
I think Trump surrendered.
I think Trump is largely like, look, just don't put me in prison.
ian crossland
Somebody last week who was the guest on Friday, he was saying, Trump's a, or somebody, so Trump's a populist.
And I think he was right.
You might say he doesn't really, he's not really appealing to his base.
He doesn't really care.
The base got him in.
Now he's in.
Now he just wants to be liked.
Not just, but it's important to him.
tim pool
That's always been important.
ian crossland
Appeals to the masses.
phil labonte
The idea that you could ever appease the left at this point is ridiculous, though.
And I hope there's someone around him that's like, look, you need to do what you're going to do, and you need to take the idea of appeasing the left and them actually just letting you live out your life afterwards and throw that idea out because they're not going to.
They are absolutely not going to.
I mean, there are people that are talking, like, there's a guy that's talking about, you know, throwing him in jail and making sure that he gets killed for what?
Nobody knows.
But, you know, that's right.
You know, but he's sure he's going to do it.
The days of amicable politics are gone.
And the right needs to realize that because the left is absolutely aware of it.
And they're going to start, they're going to be looking to put people in jail when this administration's out.
tony ortiz
It's not enough to just say, hey, we're going to win our next election.
We're going to get it this time.
We're going to kill our opponent.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's true.
It's like, it's like we, we, we literally have devolved to banana republic style politics.
Assuming Universal Values 00:03:29
phil labonte
Like this is, this is third world shit.
That's the way that the Democrats are behaving now.
ian crossland
But don't you think if Trump works with them a little bit, a little communism will be okay?
Like we can finally make it work right?
phil labonte
No, you're triggering you.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I was trying to.
tim pool
Ian was an epiphany earlier.
We were outside and he was just like, now that I think about it, I think it would be good if we had no borders and kids were getting sex changes.
ian crossland
I think about that every day.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
You think about this.
ian crossland
Yeah, constantly.
I can't get it out of my brain.
That's why I brought it up to Tim.
No, just kidding.
But I have prayed for a world with no borders.
If we were all one unified nation, but decentralized, like the way that Texas and Ohio are unified, you know?
tim pool
Tell me you've never been to Eritrea without telling me you've never been to Eritrea.
ian crossland
I've never been to that place you were talking about.
I love it.
tim pool
It's like every time there's some hippie liberal who's like, we should just have like one world and no borders.
I'm like, tell me you've never been to Honduras without telling me you've never been to Honduras.
ian crossland
Do you think the U.S. is only awesome because the rest of the world sucks?
No offense, rest of the world, because you don't all suck.
But it's only like if everybody was like the U.S., we wouldn't be that great.
tim pool
You think the U.S. is awesome because you have American values.
You have Christian traditional values.
But somebody who's from like, you know, Somalia where corruption is really high.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They're like, this country is awesome because I can take whatever I want.
tony ortiz
And these people are like, I was cracking up this girl went to Syria to open up a coffee shop where Syrians could be whatever they want.
They can have freedom and all this stuff.
She goes to Syria.
She uses her entire life savings to open up this coffee shop.
She gets lawyers to sign on a contract for a place to rent and like furniture and everything.
And it went great for like, I think like a week.
And then she comes to find out that everything was fake.
Everything was fraudulent.
She got completely ripped off.
She ended up getting arrested because the police colluded with the other people and she spent some time in jail.
Like she lost her entire life savings because she didn't realize like this Syrian culture was like very like there's a lot of fraud that goes on or she lost everything.
How about this couple?
tim pool
No, no, no.
tony ortiz
I was gonna say like you don't realize like open borders sounds really great, but a lot of these cultures people don't know how to deal with them.
You go to another place and you can't you can't exist.
tim pool
You remember the couple that wanted to ride their bikes around the world to show that people weren't so different and they got beheaded in Tajikistan?
tony ortiz
Or the really popular thing.
Yeah, and the really popular thing is these white women go to India.
They're like, oh, I'm going to go to India and show how great this is.
And then they get assaulted.
libby emmons
Right.
And they get gang raped on a bus.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
libby emmons
But there's all these like American women who are like, oh, I'm going to move to some faraway place.
And they get there and then they start sending videos home.
Like there was this, I think it was a black woman moved to some country in Africa and she was all very excited about it.
And she was like, no, don't do this.
Don't do this.
I'm American and now I'm stuck here.
I can't get home.
And this is not my culture.
You know, America is my culture.
I think that I think we do have a false perception.
And I think this is part of the problem with open borders and with mass migration is that we assume that people who come here are going to share our same values and we don't realize that we are basically just fish who don't know what water is because we're swimming in it.
tony ortiz
Have you seen it?
libby emmons
And it's not, these are not universal values.
I get into this argument with my mother all the time who's like, she's a staunch leftist.
And I'll be like, mom, you just think that everyone has these same values.
These values are earned.
We worked hard for these values and we worked hard to build a civilization with these values.
They don't just happen naturally.
You have to fight for it.
tony ortiz
You know, question: Have you traveled a lot internationally?
ian crossland
A couple, yeah, I've been to South America for a few couple months.
Values Earned Through Struggle 00:04:01
ian crossland
Uh, Peru and Chile, I was in the jungle a little bit in Peru.
And then I was in Scotland.
I went to Edinburgh and I was in Paris a little bit.
tony ortiz
Okay, so in Canada.
Have you found any countries particularly more dangerous than the others?
ian crossland
Chile was interesting.
There are feds on every not every street corner, but the feds were patrolling the street corners.
I felt that was putting my safety at risk because if the federal government turned on me, I'm like, there's nowhere to hide in this country.
But no, to answer your question bluntly, no, they all kind of felt the same.
They were all like liberal, left-leaning, homogeneous.
tim pool
This is the issue I think.
ian crossland
Oh, no, no, the jungle was by far the most dangerous.
The jungle is like your pocket will get picked if you turn your back.
Dude would swim out into the river where people are canoeing with a machete and board their canoe and like you take them, you know, would you open your borders to those types of people?
No, no, I'm not an open borders guy.
tony ortiz
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
I just have a fantasy about in the future one day, maybe we can have a United States of Earth or something.
tim pool
Let's make started all the undesirables, we can open all the borders, sure.
ian crossland
Or make them more desirable.
tim pool
You can't see George Williams stuff talking, man.
In order to graduate high school, we drop you in the woods for two weeks.
ian crossland
Boy Scouts.
No, it wasn't the Cub Scouts.
tim pool
I didn't think of Boy Scouts.
We dropped you in the middle of the woods.
ian crossland
That's what the Boy Scouts is like.
tim pool
Okay, maybe three days.
I think two weeks is good, though.
And we'll monitor your vitals.
And if you're about to die, we'll pull you out.
libby emmons
These are like Native American rites of passage.
tim pool
That's right.
Because what happens now is we have all these hippie-dippy morons being like, why can't we just let everybody in?
It's like, because that guy wants to cut your head off.
And he's literally like, there is literally a fence and he's snarling and waving a machete saying he's going to chop your head off.
And you're like, but can't we just, I mean, just imagine.
You know what we need, Ian?
We got Rumble Shorts launching soon, and we need to get a video producer to do these one-minute, these minute-and-a-half stories.
Because the perfect analogy here is there's two guys, and one guy's like wearing a blue shirt and the other guy's wearing a red hat.
And the guy in the blue shirt's like, I'm just saying, like, why don't we let them in?
They need help.
And then the guy goes, because it's dangerous.
And he goes, that's racist.
There's nothing dangerous.
It's literally zombies going, he's hungry.
tony ortiz
There was this old.
libby emmons
He eats votes.
tim pool
It's not his vote.
libby emmons
It's you.
Splash.
It's not his fault.
He eats Flash.
tony ortiz
There was this old British show.
tim pool
It's a different way of life.
libby emmons
You know, I can't remember.
tony ortiz
There was an old British show.
I can't remember the name.
Somebody will know it.
But like, they used to send this guy to foreign countries and he hated traveling.
And he just had to like travel this foreign country.
He was like, he was miserable.
phil labonte
He had a horrible time.
tony ortiz
We did a show where we take like the biggest hippie left-wing person.
They're all pro-opening.
tim pool
They won't do it.
tony ortiz
And send them to a horrible state.
I just stay there for like five days.
I don't see their opinion when they come.
tim pool
I have offered to pay for people's trips to Gaza and they won't do it.
The moment I say fully paid round trip to Gaza, they stop responding.
tony ortiz
I'm sure there's a leftist out there that will do this.
You got to figure it out.
It would be hilarious.
unidentified
They go watch this.
tim pool
Ha, you think I wouldn't take that?
Here are my terms.
I'm like, agreed.
When do you want to go?
And they go, well, I can't go.
I'm like, uh-huh.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
How about Morocco?
phil labonte
No.
ian crossland
What's going on in Morocco?
tim pool
It's extremely dangerous.
phil labonte
West Africa.
Not me.
tim pool
How about South Africa?
phil labonte
Nope.
tim pool
Don't go there.
ian crossland
I just heard of the experts.
phil labonte
South Africa.
unidentified
Nope.
Don't go there.
phil labonte
Nope.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
The jungle might still be cool if you want to go.
tim pool
How about Rhodesia?
libby emmons
I'm good without any of that.
unidentified
Rhodesia.
tim pool
Zimbabwe.
ian crossland
What about China?
tim pool
But yeah, we got to get these short little fans.
I just wrote a lot.
ian crossland
I wrote that one.
tim pool
Because that's an easy little one-minute thing where it's like, but he's hungry.
And a few people to put it in their faces like zombies.
Riley Butt says, Tim, Reculture and Civil War.
What is your position, soldier, propagandist, general?
Why are you not a valid target in said war, praying everyone stay safe?
I'm a target before the war.
They're trying to kill me now.
Rumble Com/Slash Timcast 00:03:54
tim pool
So, you know, what do you mean?
What's my position?
I don't know.
Whatever it needs to be.
I think that the fighting will be done by actual fighters, but I would argue that people like me are substantially better strategists than most of the Libtards.
So, you know, it depends.
It really depends.
I'm absolutely certain.
I'm absolutely certain.
Nay, I am so confident that when all order breaks down and people are fighting in the streets, the people are going to beg for some dude to sit in a room and complain about stuff to them.
They're going to say, listen, I'm starving to death.
I'm thirsty, but I really just want to hear you complain.
And I'll be like, well, I got you.
phil labonte
Do you have water or do you have the most recent upload from Timpool?
tim pool
I am under no illusions that what I do will be important if society breaks down.
Thank you.
We're going to have the uncensored portion of the show, so smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
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Tony, you want to shout anything out?
tony ortiz
Yeah, if you're a Texan and you're watching this, support Texas right-leaning news.
Again, we're like one of four.
So if you're a Texan, currentrevolt.com, you can subscribe to us there or follow me on Twitter at currentrevolt.
ian crossland
You follow me on Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram at IanCrossland.
Also, go to graphene.movie and check out this documentary that I've been working on at graphene.movie.
It's going to get you.
I think that's about all I got going on these days.
So I'll see you later.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
You can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons.
And I encourage you to check out the Pod Millennial, my new podcast.
You can find it at thepodmillennial.com and go to iTunes and subscribe.
phil labonte
I am Phil That Remains on Twix.
The band is all that remains.
We're going on tour.
We're going to be starting in Albany on April 29th.
We'll be out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes.
Go to allthatremainsonline.com to get your tickets.
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Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We'll see you all at rumble.com/slash Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds.
Thanks for hanging out.
Do you guys think that Alex Preddy is looking up right now and feeling any kind of regret over what he's done?
tony ortiz
He's a regretful SIG owner.
That's for sure.
tim pool
He's regretting buying that.
phil labonte
Should have bought the Glock, should have bought the braids are too heavy, and he can't find a spotter.
tim pool
There's a really funny ad.
libby emmons
He can't find a spot.
tim pool
There's a really funny ad.
There's a company that has an app where you get IQ, you do IQ tests.
And I play a lot of puzzle games on my phone.
I like the, you know, playing strategy and puzzle games.
And I'm getting these ads.
IQ Tests and Ads 00:07:14
tim pool
And I don't know.
I don't know if these families have agreed to be in these ads, but it's like they do these TikTok dances, right?
And so it's a guy, a woman, a woman, and a guy.
And then all four of them are going like this.
And then the first guy goes and does this like weird dance move.
And then it says IQ 89.
libby emmons
Are these real people?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it's, and then all of a sudden, he jumps and goes like this.
And the woman behind him does the same dance.
And it says IQ 91.
And then the third woman, they all start doing a choreographed dance.
And then it says like IQ 87.
And then the last guy does it.
Then it shows another, like two women walk into a room together and they're giggling.
And the woman smiles and waves as IQ 93.
And I'm like, did these people agree to allow these videos to be used in a commercial that says they're all fucking retarded?
Because sub 80 IQ or just 80, between 80 and 90 in general.
And it's like, see how smart you are.
tony ortiz
And I'm like, the retard maxing.
The retard maxing.
phil labonte
Retard maxing.
tim pool
I wonder if I can find this commercial because it's so fucking hilarious.
phil labonte
Bring it up.
tim pool
It's on Reddit.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
Jeez.
Are they trying to appeal to the masses?
Is that why they're like, what's the average I'm doing?
tim pool
I'm just saying like.
Did you guys ever hear that story of the Asian woman who modeled?
And she did a general modeling photo.
And then they used her image.
It was like her, a guy, and some kids.
And then she didn't know, but they put over it.
The kids all had big noses.
And it was like, our rhinoplasty is the best.
tony ortiz
Oh, I've seen that.
It's a Chinese thing, I think.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And then she was like, everybody thought she had a nose job and she didn't agree to be a part of that or whatever.
libby emmons
That was like an episode of Friends where Joey got an acting modeling gig.
And then it turned out that it was for like anti-herpes medication or something.
And then he couldn't get a date.
And it was like a whole problem.
He was horrified.
phil labonte
Can you imagine like, oh, yeah, we got you a job.
You're a model now.
Wow.
libby emmons
Well, he had to pay that rent somehow.
phil labonte
Yeah.
libby emmons
You know?
phil labonte
I mean, somebody went on.
When you say he had to pay that rent, it implies so much more, especially in this context.
tony ortiz
Sure.
phil labonte
Like, did he, was he really bummed out that he was there, that he was in that ad?
unidentified
I don't know.
tony ortiz
You see these commercials by pharmaceutical companies like for anti-AIDS medication.
Somebody has to do the acting.
You see people acting around and they're all like happy and stuff.
It's like, oh, you were the guy in the AIDS camps.
libby emmons
I just like all the crap ads on Subways.
That kind of stuff.
tony ortiz
Can you imagine getting that gig and you tell your family, like, oh, I'm on TV.
What are you doing?
ian crossland
I would have taken that gig early in my career, too, for sure.
libby emmons
They're like, I pay you 7,000.
Why would you not want to get a national?
ian crossland
I love Morrison X.
And that's like me like rubbing it on my leg.
tim pool
I think the economy is completely fake.
I think the economy collapsed a long time ago.
libby emmons
And just nobody knows.
ian crossland
Yeah, COVID.
tim pool
Because on Instagram, it's all like, okay, like we talked about AI content before.
It's all AI.
It's insane the amount of AI content.
It's all fake and it's very hard to tell.
libby emmons
I keep all of the rumors literally.
Instead of AI graphics, I get a lot of AI-generated little stories.
tim pool
Yep.
libby emmons
And then I read it and I'm like, how did I get sucked into this again?
tony ortiz
I get the AI cat videos.
And I love those, actually.
libby emmons
Yeah, there's AI animal videos.
tim pool
But I'm getting AI action sports indistinguishable.
Yeah, snowboarding.
unidentified
Oh, really?
tim pool
Indistinguishable.
tony ortiz
I see a lot of the AI car accidents.
libby emmons
There should be a way.
What I find annoying is that you can't say, please don't feed me AI generated content.
phil labonte
Yeah, that would be a nice thing.
libby emmons
That would be a really nice thing.
tony ortiz
I'm not going to be bad in Twitter to let me opt out of seeing anybody from a specific country.
phil labonte
I know you're talking about the EFL.
tony ortiz
Talking about India.
libby emmons
It would be nice if you could actually tailor your algorithm.
Remember how everybody was talking for a while, like, oh, we're going to make the algorithm public and you can tailor it for yourself and you can see what it is.
And it was just all lies.
tim pool
Well, I think they only release it in movie scenes and stuff.
It's fucking ridiculous.
ian crossland
You do have to tag your stuff as AI.
I'm surprised you can't opt out of seeing it.
I'm looking.
tony ortiz
Yeah, what's the point of tagging it if people can't opt out of it?
libby emmons
Yeah, but I mean, you only see that it's AI after you've already seen whatever the stupid thing is.
And then you look at it and you're like, what's that?
Oh, it's AI.
And then you're annoyed.
tony ortiz
My dad's constantly sending me videos.
And I'm like, dad, that's AI.
How do you know?
We'll look like look at his elbow or look at his fingers.
But yeah, increasingly you can't tell.
phil labonte
So men can't become dragons, dad.
That's how I think.
tony ortiz
Well, there was a theory going back to, I think, what somebody else is saying, like, that's why you're going to start seeing AI becoming so indistinguishable that people are just going to check out.
I'm not going to have any social media.
I'm not going to watch YouTube.
I'm just going to exist because this is reality.
I'm going to start going out.
I'm going to start talking to people.
I'm going to start reading the newspaper.
libby emmons
And then also you have like Hollywood movies and stuff.
They're going to start using.
They're just going to start programming AI to do their movies.
tony ortiz
Well, you've seen that with like the Marvel movies and like that.
You're seeing like, I think, and I don't really know for sure, but like viewership go down because it's all like fake.
Like we, my, my wife likes like dinosaurs.
So she we go to see the Jurassic Park and she hated the most recent one because they looked so fake and they're not using what they used to in the original Jurassic Parks where they build like a dinosaur from scratch.
Well, there was AI generated and it actually looks worse.
phil labonte
That's not just AI though.
That's I think partially part of the reason why movie viewership is down is because there's a lot of terrible scripts.
First of all, and second of all, you're not just talking about AI.
You're talking about computer generated.
tony ortiz
Yeah, computer generated.
phil labonte
And there's a difference between computer generated and AI.
AI is like, you know, feed in the idea and AI creates the whole thing.
Computer generated is, you know, sometimes it's an artist doing it in the computer.
libby emmons
There was this interesting thing, you know, the Pendragon cycle, the new Daily Wire series.
So I watched the first couple episodes with my son, and there's a sequence where, and this is based on ancient Minoan sport where people would do, and it wasn't bull fighting, it was bull jumping, and you would jump bulls like while they're charging at you.
They would be charging at you and you would like go flip over the bulls.
tony ortiz
It's like a Mexican thing?
phil labonte
No, it was Minoan.
libby emmons
It was like ancient Greece.
tony ortiz
Oh, okay, okay.
libby emmons
It was like Crete, Cretan, however you say it.
And so they were doing this, and that's featured in the Pendragon cycle.
And it's this whole sequence.
And I was talking to the director about it, and it's real.
They got bulls.
They built a stadium.
They got the people.
They hired the people to do the stunts who actually do that, the recreations of the bull jumping.
And it's all legit.
It's all just real.
It's not fake.
And I was like, that's actually kind of sick.
Like, I'm going to, I watched the first two episodes.
I'm going to watch the third episode because if you're actually willing to do the stunts for real, I'm going to check that out.
tony ortiz
Do you see any like actors doing their own stunts a lot nowadays?
Like it was Tom Cruise and Jackie Chan, right?
But I haven't seen like a good martial arts movie in forever.
Like I don't know.
libby emmons
Have there been a good, there hasn't been a martial arts movie?
ian crossland
Mad Max Fury Road wasn't martial arts, but the acrobatics were spectacular.
They were doing real dudes pole vaulting off of a car like on the side of a car while Sean Wick.
unidentified
When did that come out?
tony ortiz
Didn't he do his own?
ian crossland
That was like 2007 or 8.
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ian crossland
Fury Road, I think.
Fury Road, though, it's not fighting.
There wasn't a lot of hand-to-hand combat or anything.
Yeah, if you're talking more straight action movies, I would call it an action movie.
phil labonte
No, it's 2015, so technically.
tony ortiz
But to your point, like movies have sucked lately.
And I like going to the movie theaters.
I really enjoy the movie theater experience.
But a lot of this is.
libby emmons
I like the new thing, too, when you can get a burger at the movies.
phil labonte
This is something that I totally blame on DEI.
I know that that's kind of like a trope nowadays, but like when you get people in that like their whole goal is to deconstruct the property or to they're trying to surprise the viewer or they have an agenda that they're trying to push or whatever, or they want to make you feel uncomfortable because they think that their job is to make you feel uncomfortable in the movie theater.
libby emmons
It's like, bitch, I feel uncomfortable in my fucking life.
Like at the movies, I want to eat a burger, some popcorn, and like chill.
And I want you to tell me a good story.
tony ortiz
Yeah, so you don't let me escape it.
Put a chicken in and make it get it.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, as much as I'm not, like, I'm not trying to say that women can't write or diverse people can't write, but when you get diverted, when you're specifically looking for diverse people, they tend to come with certain attitudes or certain educations oftentimes.
And they're looking at, they want to get in and disrupt the system and blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, look, man, people just want to go and watch Maverick get in a jet and shoot down the bad guys.
You look at how great Top Gun Maverick did, and it's like, there's barely even a story there.
It's just rah-rah, USA.
Look at the cool jets, and they're shooting down bad guys.
libby emmons
Well, this was something I was talking to Michael Knowles about this on my new podcast.
Everyone go subscribe to it, The Pod Millennial.
Anyway, I was talking to Michael Knowles about this because we were talking about One Battle After Another, which is basically an anti-foot propagandist film with Leonardo DiCaprio in it.
And it basically just encourages people to go park their minivan in the middle of the road and block ice.
That's kind of what it's about.
tony ortiz
This is a movie.
libby emmons
This is a movie, One Battle After Another.
tony ortiz
Did it sell well?
libby emmons
Yeah, well, yeah, it got a bunch of Golden Globe stuff.
tony ortiz
I don't think it's called One Battle After Ann Ann.
libby emmons
One Battle After Another.
tony ortiz
You're seeing this in the gaming industry.
libby emmons
It's getting the option for noms now.
And then you have this other movie, Sinners, which is like some sort of.
tim pool
It looks like they're generally break-even.
tony ortiz
Yeah, see, that's not a success.
tim pool
So, actually, this would be considered a flop.
The $175 million budget, typically they match the budget with marketing.
So $207 million box office right now, it looks like it's kind of a, I wouldn't call it like a major bomb, but I've never heard of it.
libby emmons
It's critically acclaimed and all the rest of it.
And this is the kind of thing that you lose your job.
This is kind of stuff that they're pushing.
This is what they're pushing on us.
They're pushing messaging and propaganda, and they're not interested in telling us just good stories.
And this is something that happened in grad school.
Like when I started grad school, which I was studying playwriting.
So that was the whole point.
My professor at the beginning, my like main professor, said when we started the program, he was like, the most important thing about plays is the psychological component.
We were talking about Ibsen and Chekhov and that kind of stuff.
And he was like, that's the most important part.
And by the time I finished the program, like three years later, he said the most important part of plays were the political aspects.
And I was like, that's the opposite of what we started with.
Now you're telling, look, we started with relationships and motivations and story and character-driven drama.
And now we're talking propaganda.
It's a totally different type of thing.
And the concept of what an artist was went from someone who is honest and, you know, telling real stories about real people or, you know, telling truthful stories.
It changed from that to someone who has to be an art activist.
And the idea became that you have to be an art activist.
And I was in a workshop at the actor's studio at one point, and there was this story.
Someone did their reading from their play, and there was a guy in it who had this girlfriend, and he was like, you know, an asshole to his girlfriend.
And one of the people who was doing the critique in the audience was like, well, I really think that that's the wrong message to send, that people should be assholes to their girlfriend.
And I was like, but he is an asshole to his girlfriend.
Like, that's the character.
It's not about a message.
It's about the true story.
tony ortiz
Yeah, you would see this where they'd make the bad guy and characters actually do bad things.
And people would be like, oh, this bad guy's a racist.
And it's like, yeah, he's the bad bad guy.
libby emmons
He's a bad guy.
tim pool
The villains are either one-dimensional or they try and make the villain sympathetic.
I think a really good example of what's going on is if you take a look at Daily Show 2005, and everybody loved it.
And then you take a look at what happened after Jon Stewart left when you got John Oliver and Jordan Klepper and Samantha Beale, formulaic cookie-cutter retardation because these people did not have the talent that Jon Stewart had.
So they basically said, Here's the formula for John, repeat it.
And John Oliver gives you the most contrived, boring shit every single day.
It's the same exact thing.
Movies are the same way.
They go, what if like the villain was kind of sad?
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tim pool
And it's like, yeah, Batman Animated Series won the ME4 that in 1992.
Been there, done that.
Let's try something new.
But they don't know how.
All they can do is emulate because we live in a simulation.
Everyone's AI.
And Phil is actually the only real person who exists.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Or actually, Ian.
phil labonte
No, no.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I don't know most people, but I have seen in life that most people around me are not as smart as me.
They don't have the creativity that I have.
It's kind of frustrating because I keep expecting other people to fix the creative situation on Earth.
And it's like, unless I make the movie, it's not going to get made.
tony ortiz
It's insane.
ian crossland
It's not going to do the work.
It's not going to get done.
tim pool
I watch these things and I'm like, did they want to make a bad movie?
Like, that's the only thing I can surmise.
Like, when you watch Disney Plus stuff, you're like, are they retards?
Did they not watch their own show?
phil labonte
They are.
The Star Wars, the second, the Star Wars sequels, the second one, they literally wanted to make a bad movie.
tim pool
Ryan Johnson wanted to kill Star Wars.
libby emmons
That's why.
tim pool
So he's the worst human being.
No, Listen, it's actually, I stand by this.
I believe it's true.
Ryan Johnson had been saying over and over again, like stuff about letting go of the past.
In the movie they tell you to, what I think happened was they got J.J. Abrams to do The Force Awakens, and J.J. Abrams said, just make a shot-for-shot remake of A New Hope, which is literally what it is.
Play the movie side by side.
They're the same movie.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
And then they said, okay, well, he wasn't available for the next one.
So they got Ryan Johnson.
And my theory, and I 100% believe this.
I think it is a fact.
I think it is true.
Ryan Johnson said, Reboots are fucking boring.
Make something new.
What the fuck is wrong with you, people?
All you're doing is rebooting, rehashing, regurgitating bullshit.
And the reason why I believe this is that Looper, as contrived as it was, still entertaining.
And the Knives Out movies, even though the first one's a little woke, they're all very good.
Ryan Johnson knows how to make a movie.
I believe that he went to Star Wars and he said, I am going to fuck this genre.
I'm going to fuck this IP.
Just fucking destroy it.
And he said, I'm going to ruin everything they've done, everything they've tried to do, and make it the stupidest shit ever.
So they stop fucking trying.
And boy, did he fuck that whole thing up.
unidentified
Which movie was that?
tim pool
The Last Jedi.
From the Mary Poppins Princess Leia to the arcing plasma balls in outer space to Luke being a whiny bitch drinking a space cow tit and then dying from using the force and then killing Snoke.
He was like, let's fucking burn it down.
phil labonte
The fact that they didn't have the reunion that everybody wanted.
They had the opportunity in that movie to put Luke, Harrison Ford, and well, not because in the first one, I think Hanzolo was Hanzolo got killed.
But the fact that they didn't put the what?
tim pool
Oh, Inforce Awakens.
phil labonte
Yeah, he got killed in the end of that one.
They didn't put the three of those, you know, all those characters back on the screen, even if just for like a 15-minute part of the movie.
Didn't have to be the whole movie, just for one part, like that was the biggest disservice to Star Wars fans.
tim pool
Let's imagine.
libby emmons
You need to have the fancy.
tim pool
I've never been a big fan of Star Wars anyway, but Star Trek follows much the same pattern.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
Holy shit, have you seen Starfleet Academy?
libby emmons
Oh my God, it is so bad.
It is so bad, Tim.
It is the worst.
I've watched every episode, and each time I've just been so sad.
And the thing about it, too, I mean, if I could just, for just a second, you have this character.
You have this character, and she's like a Starfleet Academy commander, right?
She's like a big up there sort of commander person yelling at students and telling them what to do.
And she's half Jemhadar and half Klingon, right?
Now, there are no Jemhadar females.
Jemhadar don't eat because they're addicted to this substance.
They were manufactured in test tubes.
They don't mate.
They have no reproductive capability.
How the fuck did how did they end up with a Klingon and create a person?
phil labonte
Canon doesn't matter.
libby emmons
No, no, no, but the best part is that I made it so much, and now she's a lesbian and she's fucking Tignatara.
What the hell?
tim pool
I love how they made the Federation evil.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
The Federation is now an evil empire.
libby emmons
Yes, they have to make it evil because they hate America.
phil labonte
Yep, yeah.
tony ortiz
Didn't they do that with like World of Warcraft?
They made the orcs like the good guys.
phil labonte
They did.
tim pool
No, no, but that was a.
That was, that was the 90s like they could.
Okay, so hold on, I gotta defend Warcraft here.
I gotta defend Warcraft here.
So in the original Warcraft the Orcs were mindless monsters yeah, and Warcraft 1 you could play either.
Warcraft 2 is when they started to change it and they were like, actually the Orcs were dominated by fell demonic energy and manipulated and seduced, and the orcs were actually shamanic, like they were not evil.
They did this because they they they wanted to create two distinct arcs and basically what it is is Warcraft has.
I mean, it's convoluted now, but the general idea at the time was the Horde isn't inherently evil, the alliance isn't inherently good or evil, but the invasion of the Orcs was because of an actual evil faction.
So basically, there is evil in World Of Warcraft.
A definitive evil does evil things.
There's a bunch of it, but the Orcs were subjugated, not the evil itself.
tony ortiz
I think i'm thinking uh, Lord Of The Rings, I think where yes, they made the, the orcs.
Orcs and LORD of the Rings were now our families and their families like babies.
Did we watch the same movie?
libby emmons
That's horrible.
And Holly Hunter is the worst commander person ever.
She walks around the starship without shoes on.
Without shoes she like lounges around, she meets with people and lays down on couches.
She has foot jewelry on her and she also.
She quit Starfleet and then they brought her back in 120 Later, years later, after she was, what is it, cryogenically frozen or something like that for the whole time.
And she hates Starfleet.
She hates everything.
tim pool
Oh, let's just lay it out.
Okay.
Star Trek the original series was okay.
Okay.
And then they made some movies that were okay.
libby emmons
Kirk was good.
tim pool
And then, sure, but okay.
I give it all a C.
It's fine.
tony ortiz
Great for its time.
tim pool
And then they made the Next Generation.
And in season one, we're like, okay, I see where you're going.
And in season two, we went, really?
And by season three, we were like, this is the best show ever made.
It was syndicated on multiple networks.
And they said we had to do spin-offs.
And in the 90s, you simultaneously had Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager.
And Voyager was meh.
libby emmons
Deep Space Nine was terrific.
tim pool
Deep Space Nine.
Legendary.
libby emmons
So good.
tim pool
You all have to watch that.
libby emmons
The show is the best.
And you have so many good double parties of Deep Space Nine.
Which one is that?
tim pool
That's the one where they false flag assassinate a Romulan senator to force the Romulans to enter the Dominion War on the side of the Federation.
libby emmons
And then Cisco's like, I can live with it.
Yeah, you know, it's so good.
unidentified
Okay.
libby emmons
Or the one when they go back in time.
tim pool
No, Now we're getting a little gummy.
libby emmons
No, no, no.
The one where he's like, it's like in the 30s.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
You know, that's so good.
tim pool
Okay, so just, this is really important.
libby emmons
It's one of my favorites.
tim pool
If you ever watch any episode of Deep Space Nine, it's in the pale moonlight.
So the story is actually, I'm going to spoil some of it for you, but you watch it.
Basically, there's the premise of Deep Space Nine is that wormhole is open up to the Delta Quadrant.
This is allowing travel that normally takes 70 years and just jump to the wormhole.
This opens up trade with new species, new empires, and eventually war breaks out.
The Dominion wants to conquer the, what are they in?
They're in the Alpha Quadrant, right?
libby emmons
Yeah, the Dominion wants to conquer the Alpha Quadrant.
tim pool
And so this is the Federation, the Romulans, the Klingons.
libby emmons
And our soldiers.
tim pool
With their soldiers.
And so what happens is the Federation is getting crushed.
And they go to the Romulans, who are their enemies, and they say, at this point, I think they have a truce.
And they say to the senator, you need to join the war on the side of the Federation because after we lose, the Dominion will subjugate Romulus and the Romulans.
And they say, we don't care.
You're on your own.
Go fuck yourself.
They're isolated.
ian crossland
So this is like an America-Israel thing.
tim pool
All that matters is something else.
So what happens is they plan a false flag attack to assassinate the Romulan senator, framing the Dominion, to force the Romulans to enter the war on their side.
ian crossland
Who sets up the false flag?
tim pool
Cisco and the Federation.
ian crossland
We talked about this.
tim pool
I don't know if the Federation is in on it, but it was the right thing to do.
ian crossland
It turned out to be the right thing.
tim pool
There's no right thing to do.
libby emmons
You know what it is?
Killer storytelling.
It's really good storytelling.
ian crossland
I love making good people do evil to survive and do and come out better.
Let's just do this crazy.
libby emmons
It's a lame Miz type of thing.
I'm going to give you a question.
tim pool
I'm going to gush.
And let me start by saying, I tell you this story.
I tell you this story because I want you to understand what these motherfuckers took from us.
Okay.
Star Trek the original series.
Klingons are the bad guys.
They're bad guys.
ian crossland
Amen.
tim pool
Klingons.
When they created the next generation, they wanted to show that progress had happened.
The story had developed.
And so they introduced a Klingon on the bridge of a Federation starship wharf.
And the message here is times have changed.
And some of the best writing ever.
Here's the story.
The Klingons are an honorific culture.
Everything's based on honor and nobility.
And they hate us because humans are fat, liberal, all that bullshit.
libby emmons
Comfortable.
tim pool
Comfortable.
And so what happened was the Enterprise, I think it was Enterprise C, receives a distress call from a Klingon colony.
It's largely women and children.
It's a civilian outpost.
And it's being attacked by Romulans.
Despite the fact that Klingons and the Federation are at war, the Enterprise rushes full speed to try and save as many Klingon civilians as possible, being destroyed in the process.
The Enterprise, they're killed.
And because of this sacrifice, the Klingons enter into an alliance with the Federation, recognizing the honor that the Federation was willing to make to save their own enemies because killing children was wrong.
tony ortiz
That's kind of cool.
libby emmons
Is that the Kiddemer Accord?
unidentified
Yes.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And Worf was orphaned in the attack, and it's how he goes to be raised by the Federation.
But brilliant writing.
They were like, the Federation proved their honor and self-sacrifice for civilians of the enemy because killing civilians was dishonorable.
And the Romulans were opportunistic.
I remember watching this being like, wow.
Like, how these bonds are formed.
And then you get this whole conspiracy arc where Worf's dad is framed as a spy for the Romulans and it helps.
Turns out it wasn't the case.
And then the government in Kronos is basically like the people can't know the truth about who was really responsible for this because it would be destabilizing.
Fucking amazing show.
Now it's a bunch of fat, gay weirdo aliens talking about how actually they were evil the whole time.
Fuck these people.
libby emmons
And there's a Klingon.
Can I just say there's a Klingon character in Starfleet Academy who the actor, when he's talking about the role that he plays, is like, oh, we're reframing what a warrior is.
You no longer have to be a fighter.
And it's like, you're a fucking Klingon.
Like, have some nerve.
Have some backbone.
ian crossland
Are you men?
libby emmons
Put some strength into those spines.
ian crossland
You're watching it just as like enraged.
libby emmons
No, I didn't want to be enraged.
I wanted to, I wanted it to be good.
And so then I watched it, and then I was telling my son about it.
He knows that I'm crazy about Star Trek, you know?
And then he was like, well, I'll watch episode two with you.
And we watched it, and he was like, for days, he was like, mom, how bad was that?
That was so bad.
tim pool
They've taken it from us.
ian crossland
Are you going to keep watching?
tim pool
The Orville.
libby emmons
No, I watched the first two episodes.
And now my son is like, maybe we should just, I'll watch DS9 with you.
tim pool
But you've watched the Orville, right?
libby emmons
No, I haven't watched The Orville.
tim pool
You've not watched The Orville.
unidentified
That's bad.
tim pool
Okay, so Seth McFarlane clearly wanted to remake Star Trek The Next Generation.
I'm right down.
libby emmons
So here's how I accidentally wrote Electra.
tim pool
My theory is that Seth McFarlane went to Fox and says, I want to remake Star Trek The Next Generation.
I know we can't, but can we make a show that is basically the same thing?
And they said, funny man, you make joke.
You know do sci-fi.
And he says, what if it's comedy?
And they said, okay, fine.
So the Orville season one is very funny.
And it was pitched as a satirical version of Star Trek.
I think they did that to get around IP issues because it's literally fucking Star Trek.
Then they did season two, which was a bit less comedic and more next generation-y.
And then season three, it's basically the next generation.
Is it good?
Yeah.
libby emmons
I'm going to watch it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not the next generation, but Seth McFarlane is trying.
And for instance, like the last episode, I think the show's canceled, but the last episode, there's a planet they've been to where it's very much like Earth in the 21st century.
And a refugee from that planet tries stealing technology.
And they're explaining to her why advanced civilizations can't give technology to underdeveloped civilizations.
So it's yeah, they basically explaining why there's a prime directive.
And not nearly as good and a little, it's still liberal.
So like, for instance, they find a planet that one episode where there's a planet disappears.
And they're like, whoa, where'd it go?
And then it reappears.
Every time it disappears, it exists for 500 years in another dimension.
libby emmons
That sort of vaguely happened on DS9.
And Jax fell in love with the guy.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
It blinks back.
And so what happens is Kelly, second in command, goes down.
And when they're exploring this planet, she finds a child who's hurt and uses one of their medical devices to heal the wound on her hand before leaving.
The planet blinks out of existence and then blinks back.
And now there's a whole religion dedicated to her because she has the ability to heal by touch.
And then she tries to explain to them, and there's priests and they're worshiping her and they have statues of her.
And then eventually, you know, you should watch.
So we should go to callers instead of just talking about Star Trek.
Dr. Pants, which is your favorite episode of Star Trek The Next Generation?
Hello again, panel.
It's your favorite and very best president ever in history taking a break from my 32d chest to call in.
And unfortunately, I don't have a favorite Star Trek episode.
unidentified
I was always a Star Wars guy.
tim pool
That's okay.
They took that from us too.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Okay, my actual question.
Nothing Ever Happens 00:14:25
tony ortiz
If President Trump is pulling out of Minnesota and capitulating to the left, is the best we on the right can hope for a further bifurcation of states into eventual succession or secession?
tim pool
I mean, it sounds like communist revolution.
Like if there's no fighting back, if there's no resistance, then it's just, well, I'll put it this way: I, for one, welcome our new transsexual overlords.
libby emmons
Twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
ian crossland
Stunningly gay.
tony ortiz
We will not see secession in our lifetime.
Definitely not.
libby emmons
I don't think we will either.
tony ortiz
Texans LARP it all the time, and it's never going to happen.
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't think Alberta is going to do it either.
tim pool
I disagree.
You don't think y'all are overly optimistic.
libby emmons
Interesting.
tony ortiz
I don't think it will happen.
I don't think I'll have it.
tim pool
When I asked Eric Prince about everything that he had seen in these countries he's operated in the United States, if there's any similarities, he just said, the one thing I can tell you is that everything seems normal.
And then one day you wake up and there's no communications, no electricity, and no internet.
So sounds terrible.
There's optimism, bias, and normalcy bias, and everyone's got it because it hasn't happened.
It's not a part of their routine.
They don't believe it's possible.
But every single time you have seen revolution, factionalizing or whatever, it was overnight.
And nobody thought it possible.
And I said it before.
I'm going to say it again.
Two years of fighting until the people said we're in a civil war.
It was two years.
Abraham Lincoln literally sent troops in to shoot Confederates.
And people, this is after Manassas.
And they're like, it's not a civil war.
It was two years after the fighting had already started at Sumter where they were like, it's a civil war now.
Isn't that crazy?
libby emmons
I do think one of the things that's absolutely insane, and I was writing about this in Human Events a couple of weeks ago or at some point that was recent because I've lost track of time.
But I was writing about something you've talked about a lot, which is like, is Minnesota bleeding Kansas?
Is that what we're looking at?
And when you have state leaders openly and intentionally defying federal law, and there is not, I mean, I see that there's been pushback in terms of no, we're going to conduct federal law, we're still going to enforce federal law, but there hasn't been anything against the leaders who are openly defying federal law and encouraging their citizens to defy it as well.
And that is something that is, it is seriously crazy.
And it makes me wonder if, like you're talking about, we just lack the imagination to see how far we have fallen and how close we are to potential collapse.
tim pool
I think it's fair to say we won't see secession only because everyone's going to claim legitimacy.
Minnesota's not going to secede because they're going to say we're the rightful governor.
libby emmons
We're the real America.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so the American Civil War was not a civil war in the traditional sense.
We just call it that because we have nothing better to call it.
But typically throughout history, civil wars have been multiple factions fighting for control of one territory, one government.
And it's not like the Spanish Civil War, for instance, is pockets of nationalist and Republican, and they're fighting each other for control of this land called Spain.
The Confederacy was several states breaking away saying, we're just not going to be a part of your union anymore.
And it was interesting because before it was, you know, when the War of Independence started, it was 1755, and it didn't end until around, I think it was, what, 1789?
Yeah.
Was it 89?
So there was no country.
There was no president.
There was no constant.
There were loose articles.
I think it was the Confederation.
And then in 89, they were like, okay, let's actually do a constitution and unite these 13 colonies as one country.
So anyway, long story short, the way the Confederacy saw it was it was 80 years.
There were people alive that had been born at the time of independence.
And so they're basically just like, look, nothing keeps us here.
We can leave if we want to.
And Lincoln was like, I'll be damned if the union breaks on my watch.
And so he went down to go fight them.
And they did not think a civil war happened for two years.
Like, it's remarkable that Lincoln was like, I'm going to arrest politicians, threaten to arrest a Supreme Court justice.
I'm going to arrest journalists.
I'm going to, there's no more habeas corpus from Philly to D.C.
The state governments of these southern states are now void.
All the slaves are, your ownership is now void.
And they were like, it's not a civil war.
And till two years later, they were like, the civil war.
They were calling it like a rebellion.
They were calling it, the South was calling it a war of northern aggression because they viewed themselves already as an independent nation with their own government, president, and currency.
And today, we suffer from optimism and normalcy bias where people genuinely believe that despite the fact we track alongside what every other country ever has, and that it's always ever been just an overnight change, they believe it's not possible.
tony ortiz
That's me.
You know the meme, nothing ever happens, guy?
tim pool
Yeah.
tony ortiz
That's me.
tim pool
Yeah.
tony ortiz
I'm the nothing ever happens guy.
tim pool
So the issue is that nothing ever happens is a symptom of history books.
Because when Americans read history, they'll read a paragraph where it says, the founding fathers held several meetings, the Continental Congress, and came together and ultimately voted for independence.
The king responded by, no, no, no, no, hold on.
That was 20 years, a 20-year period.
But Americans read it in a paragraph.
So they're sitting here being like, nothing ever happens.
Because like the American Revolution is the shot heard around the world.
And then the founding fathers say, give me liberty or give me death.
And then they come to have a meeting and say, we're going to sign a Declaration of Independence.
And then the king reacts, slow down there.
The shot heard around the world was in 1755.
They didn't sign the Declaration for a year, until a year later.
The war had been going on for some time.
The shot heard around the world was just the moment where they said, I think we're at war.
ian crossland
75.
tim pool
1775.
ian crossland
Yeah.
55 is what came out of here.
tim pool
Oh, sorry.
1775 was when the shooting started.
You know, with the 1990s.
ian crossland
But so tall scale.
tim pool
The point is this.
Someone tried to kill Trump and shot him in the side of the head.
Something happened.
Trump won and shut down USAID.
Something happened.
When the history books write about all of this stuff, they're not going to even mention USAID.
libby emmons
No, they're not.
tim pool
It's a blip.
What they're going to say is in 2024, an assassination attempt was made on the life of Donald Trump, which boosted him in the polls, ultimately resulting in a victory in November of that year.
Activist groups had been organizing in response, viewing Trump as a fascistic takeover.
By August of that year, one of the most notable proselytizers and campaigners for Donald Trump and the right, Charlie Kirk, was assassinated.
This led to, and you're going to be like, whoa, hold, hold on.
The history books are going to write it in one paragraph in four sentences, what took us a year to experience.
So if you actually stop and track every Timcast IRL video going back, you'd be like, holy fuck, 20 years of history happening in one year before our eyes, yet people are still convinced nothing's happened.
We just learned, and I think we knew this, but we just officially confirmed the state government of Minnesota has a paramilitary insurgent organization that has people who go on duty that call themselves resistance and they're on shifts.
They have access to government infrastructure and databases and they have a spy network at a variety of businesses throughout Minnesota to assist in rejecting the sworn duly elected government of the United States.
libby emmons
And then they call out the National Guard and they have the National Guard go out and distribute donuts and coffee to the people who are resources to the insurgents.
Yeah, into these.
tim pool
To discover that we have an active insurgency but still believe nothing ever happens, I think is.
tony ortiz
So like what happened?
Like were we shutting it down?
tim pool
What do you mean?
tony ortiz
Like are we shutting it down?
Are we shutting down this insurgency?
tim pool
What happened was an insurgency came out of war.
The guy was shot and killed.
Yeah.
tony ortiz
And nothing happened.
tim pool
What do you mean?
Nothing happened.
There's a dead guy.
Trump pulled out.
They're smashing up businesses.
They bashed a guy in the face.
tony ortiz
I think the last happening I would consider a happening was us going into Venezuela and ganking their president.
Like that was pretty recent.
That was huge.
Like I was just like, okay, because we have a group chat where it's like part of us are like team, nothing ever happens.
And part of us are like, we're monitoring the situation every five seconds.
And that was the one where I conceded and I was like, okay, yeah, something happened.
tim pool
It's just frogs in a pot boiling.
unidentified
Yeah.
No.
tim pool
The temperature is being cranked up one degree every single day and you're not noticing.
Go back five years.
You know, I love the time travel test.
Not even 10 years.
Go back five years and tell people what was going to, what was happening in the next five years.
Tell them USAID would be gutted and shut down.
Trump would be arrested.
His lawyers would be arrested.
J Sixers would be rounded up across the country.
Trump would then get elected.
He'd pardon all of them.
He'd get shot in the side of the head.
And people would be like, that's a movie, dude.
That's not possible.
The amount of things that have happened that have reshaped our perception of this country are unprecedented.
The problem is nothing ever happens because your expectation of it happening is based on movies and storybooks.
tony ortiz
I think it's based off of, does it affect me?
Like if I, if I, like, because I think you had said you don't really experience the news, and I'm not, this is not an attack on you.
I'm just like, you like to wake up and like find out what happens here.
But do you feel, like personally, do you feel that your life is drastically different in the last 30 days?
tim pool
30 days?
tony ortiz
Actually, we've had a lot of stuff happen, right?
You said the shooting.
ian crossland
Personally, personally, not drastically different, but like pretty wild.
tim pool
I would say that you think that's it.
Where are you right now?
libby emmons
Definitely in this.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
tony ortiz
But like this shooting of this guy, this pretty guy, has that affected you?
ian crossland
No, no.
tony ortiz
That's what I mean.
Like, the ignorance of it is evidence as an actual thing.
Because I think in my head, for something to happen, it has to affect the average person that's not in the space we're in.
Like, I look at my normie friends, right?
Like, my normie friends from my previous jobs that don't pay attention to politics.
And I hang out with them.
And I'm like, you, I'm like, oh, this happened.
This happened.
This happened.
They're like, oh, man, I bought a new race car simulator.
Do you want to come over and try it out?
And I'm just like, when?
Bro, when?
tim pool
But when has that ever mattered in history?
Ever.
tony ortiz
What do you mean?
Like, I think for something to happen, it has to affect.
tim pool
Like, what percentage of the American people fought in the American Revolution?
tony ortiz
I don't know.
tim pool
3%.
tony ortiz
Yeah, but it affected everybody, right?
That affected everybody.
tim pool
It didn't.
Most people didn't know anything was going on.
Most people are not in war.
I give this example all the time.
Would you consider the Egyptian Revolution happening?
No?
tony ortiz
I don't know.
Yes, I agree with you.
tim pool
It certainly didn't fucking affect the people of Egypt.
tony ortiz
I think like something like COVID, that was a happening.
That affected everybody, right?
tim pool
The Egyptian revolution.
And the example I give all the time was 3,000 people in Tahrir Square, and everybody else was going about their lodges as if nothing was happening.
And I went to McDonald's two blocks away from Tahrir and watched, there's a guy playing soccer.
Downstairs, there's people eating food.
There's a casino in the Hilton.
While a revolution is taking place, Heliopolis shopping mall was carrying on as people bought kebabs and nothing changed for them.
tony ortiz
I think you had something similar like that.
Was it, was it, where was it where there was like a mass shooting going on and people were like partying in the park and like people were ziplining and like there was some bad mass shooting?
tim pool
All the time.
And that's the point.
The argument that nothing ever happens because it has to affect regular people is to say literally nothing's ever happened.
libby emmons
Well, the thing right now too is like if you think about, and we don't get a lot of news out of Myanmar, but there's been a lot going on in Myanmar, right?
There's been like a lot of fighting and stuff like that.
And so the government just threw a bunch of big concerts and parties and everybody went to them.
But they're still like in massive tumult there.
But still the government was like, oh, let's have a party anyway.
I think that is something that's interesting.
And when you look at the Civil War and when you look at, you know, look at the Crusades.
The Crusades certainly didn't affect everybody, but it affected a lot of people who went to war and fought in those wars.
tim pool
No one in New York was affected during the Civil War.
They didn't see any conflict.
Their industry largely remained untouched.
They weren't dealing with sabotage or, I mean, prices probably went up and they read the news and they said, nothing ever happens.
They didn't call it a civil war for two years, but we call Fort Sumter the happening.
The issue is that historical events rarely affect the mass fabric and mountains are moved by small groups of people.
So if we're going to look at history and ask when has something happened, well, we can certainly see tons of instances where things happened, but regular people were unmoved by it.
The people of Illinois were largely unmoved by the Civil War.
It was honestly, the areas affected by the Civil War largely were with the March to the Sea.
You've got Georgia, and then you've got Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, and South PA.
Maryland affected politically a bit.
Delaware, not so much.
So the people in New York and the people in Texas, nothing happened.
Did the Civil War happen?
Nah, it's just fighting somewhere else.
tony ortiz
I think I need something to happen so that I can use all the stuff I bought for it happening.
I have so much leftover things.
libby emmons
But you could go to where things are happening and use your stuff.
tony ortiz
Yeah, but then I'd have to sacrifice my well-being.
libby emmons
But that's always happened.
tim pool
And this is why the people and this is why Guywinslaw in Germany, as the Nazis were rising, the Jews who left early were viewed as being paranoid.
There's a photo of Anne Frank vacationing on the beach at Amsterdam, like I think two years or not even two years before she's dead.
Because these people were like, nothing ever happens.
There were some Jews that were like, holy shit, do you see what's happening?
And the other Jews were like, nothing's happening.
And they were like, they're calling to kill us.
libby emmons
Well, they lacked the imagination to see that what could happen, right?
I mean, this happened in France, too, and you had the underground in France, but you also just had Vichy and people going along with it.
tony ortiz
I think the nothing ever happens that I have is probably a symptom of being too involved in things.
Like, I see so much.
Like, every day I wake up and it's like, oh, this shit's happening.
And then I'm like, the next day, like, people move on to the next scandal.
Like, right?
Like, we should be talking more about like what happened in Venezuela.
Pasta And Preparedness 00:02:56
unidentified
We're not.
tony ortiz
We're moving on to the next thing.
We won't be talking.
We won't be talking about.
tim pool
I don't think people understand what's huge.
tony ortiz
My father's huge and like huge.
tim pool
What does this mean?
This means that institutional investors a long time ago made a move to hedge against the dollar's collapse, probably when Saudi Arabia got off the petrodollar contract.
The retail market is now reacting late to the game as we expect it to.
And this is an indication of this is going to affect you.
Now, have you ever seen the video of the tsunami in Thailand where the people are standing on the beach just going, wow.
libby emmons
Right?
And you can see it.
And then you're going to be.
tim pool
That's the nothing ever happens, people.
tony ortiz
It's going to be.
That's going to be me.
tim pool
And they're dead.
tony ortiz
That's going to be me.
tim pool
And there's, and there's people in buildings going, screaming at them to run.
And they're just standing there being like, the water's going.
tony ortiz
See, that was, see, I was that mindset, though, with like COVID, like you.
Like, I assume, like, when COVID hit, when you got word of COVID in January, what did you do?
Did you go prep?
tim pool
We bought a bunch of emergency bucket food.
tony ortiz
And that's exactly what I did.
I've still got that bucket food in my closet, actually.
tim pool
We ate some of it.
tony ortiz
It was good.
It's really high in situations.
tim pool
Because you've got two worst case scenarios with emergency food.
Worst case scenario, legitimate, oof, the world ended and you have to eat it.
Worst case scenario, you spent the money, you have food and you can eat it.
tony ortiz
See, I emptied mine out because Cinemark had a bring your own size to fill up popcorn bucket.
And so I emptied out our bucket of emergency prep food and I went to Cinemark and I got this huge tub of popcorn.
I was still eating it.
But like, that was me.
Like, I was monitoring the situation all the time.
And my wife at the time thought I was fucking crazy.
She's like, you went out and you bought ammo and guns and prep food.
You bought a door reinforced and reinforcement bar for the door.
And then like when shit went bad, she, I actually really appreciate this, like a core memory for my wife, like approached me one night and she's like, I just want to let you know, like, I feel really bad for giving you a hard time.
Like, I feel really safe because of what you did.
libby emmons
I did sort of a different thing.
I bought cases of spaghetti.
I bought a lot of toilet paper.
I bought, I bought shelf-stable milk.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
libby emmons
And I bought a lot of water.
And I put a bunch of butter in the freezer.
And now sort of my normal practice is like, if you come over to my house, there are no less than 20 boxes of pasta in my, in my, oh, and I bought a ton of flour.
tony ortiz
We're the same with ramen.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Oh, I have a case of ramen.
I have 20 boxes of pasta and I have so much flour.
And I've gotten really good at making things like brownies and cake.
tim pool
I want to say one more thing.
We do got to get to other callers, but one question we've asked in the show a while ago is, what is an item that is common that you would, that is extremely useful and very, very difficult to produce on your own?
tony ortiz
Disinfectant.
Like alcohol.
tim pool
So we bought a bunch of alcohol and mouthwash.
One World Currency? 00:05:04
tim pool
Yeah.
It's not impossible.
It's actually relatively easy to make alcohol.
tony ortiz
You have to build a still relatively people can't do it.
tim pool
Exactly.
libby emmons
So I bought a book that teaches you how to build a still.
tim pool
Food I can figure out.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but you can hunting, fishing, and chickens and general farming.
But food, you have a general idea of how you get food and how you make food.
But what about antiseptics?
tony ortiz
Yeah.
What if the first thing that you cut?
When COVID happens, the first thing you stocked up on.
tim pool
I mean, Washington Post is outright saying that people are hedging away from the dollar.
Someone knows something.
You don't go from 30 bucks to 115 in a couple of weeks.
ian crossland
I just saw stories popping up on X earlier today that countries are getting prepared to take away capital gains taxes on crypto.
Like a bunch of countries right now are doing it.
Sounds like something's going to have to change, man.
We're about to have a one world currency.
tony ortiz
Let's guess what's going to happen from this.
tim pool
I think the U.S. dollar is going to completely collapse.
I think Bitcoin will become the global reserve and some form of crypto will become the international trade medium.
unidentified
It's so.
tim pool
And I say this because the Davos, people at the Dava at WEF in 2017 told me that's what was going to happen.
tony ortiz
It's so if you had to advise somebody, like an average anonymy, not like a super wealthy person.
tim pool
I wouldn't advise anybody anything.
tony ortiz
I'd say.
If you were forced to, what would you say is a good thing to do?
tim pool
I'd say what for this I would do is have Bitcoin and Ethereum gold and silver because that's what I did.
And holy shit.
I bought a bunch of silver, a shitload of it.
And I can't believe the price that it's at right now.
ian crossland
Silver is awesome.
tim pool
But that doesn't mean silver is up.
It means the dollar is gone.
So what I understand, I went to the World Economic Forum.
Here's a funny story.
I went to the World Economic Forum in 2017.
I did three videos.
They got all erased from YouTube.
libby emmons
Why?
tim pool
I have no idea.
unidentified
Do you still have crypto?
libby emmons
I still have them.
tim pool
They're gone.
libby emmons
You don't have to have them.
tony ortiz
I still have a lot of them.
ian crossland
Sounds like a national security issue.
tim pool
And globalist bullshit.
I'll tell you what happened.
I did interviews with people where they basically said, our plan for the future is crypto.
Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
This is how you create a one-world currency.
If you go to the people and say, your government's come together and we've decided we're all going to share currency, it doesn't work.
Look what happened with the peseta in Spain when the Euro came out.
Basically, the story is that if a newspaper costs one peseta, when they introduced the euro and now it costs one euro, that's fine, right?
Except the problem is for Spain to buy a Euro, it costs three peseta.
So when they were doing the conversion, it slashed the economy of Spain by 60 some odd percent.
So this resulted in protests, unemployment, destabilization.
And so they said, in order for us to have a one-world currency, you need to have economic normalization between the countries first.
That's why Ukraine's not being admitted immediately.
Its economy is too weak.
And if they open the borders, everyone's going to flood the rest of the country and Ukraine collapses.
The other issue is people don't trust government currency.
So the plan is you introduce an anti-establishment currency alternative.
tony ortiz
Bitcoin.
tim pool
Satashi Nakamoto.
You know what that means?
Central Intelligence Agency.
Did you know that?
libby emmons
It does.
Yes.
tim pool
Satashi Nakamoto translates to it's like agency of central intelligence or something like that.
Or like hub of central intelligence.
libby emmons
That's crazy.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
I'm looking it up right now.
tim pool
And yeah.
So what I was told by people in Davos, I wasn't in the World Economic Forum, I was in the United States.
tony ortiz
When your business again?
tim pool
2017.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
They said the goal is to have a one-world currency, a one-world reserve that can be controlled, tracked, traced.
We can see what everyone's doing and why they're doing it.
And crypto is that plan.
Bitcoin is going to be it.
It's going to be huge.
Buy Bitcoin now.
And so I was like, well, I got a bunch already.
And so what I think is happening is there's a lot of things going on.
It's hard to see the big picture.
There's little pieces everywhere.
However, if you wanted a one-world currency, what would you do?
You'd introduce the secret cyber, cyberpunk alternative.
Get away from the Federal Reserve.
These evil people.
They can't control us.
We're going to all use Bitcoin, which can be tracked by every AI system and they'll know what you do every time you do it, when you do it, and where you are at all times.
I want all my currency tracked in the public, unhidable.
And it's really simple.
You get the whack-a-loon anti-government people to adopt it first, which they did.
And then it becomes the anti-establishment coin, challenges the big banks.
The institutions say, don't buy Bitcoin.
It's bad.
Then the dollar collapses.
Bitcoin becomes the international trade medium.
ian crossland
I wonder if they're going to, they might try and stuff Ripple in there.
It doesn't matter, though.
If they don't.
Crypto can be.
tim pool
Yeah, we got a good caller.
So Dr. Pants, do you want to add anything or shout anything out before we go?
Or just shout anything?
ian crossland
I just want to shout out my podcast, The Landlocked Surfers.
We just dropped an episode on the social questions raised by the cyberpunk genre like post-humanism, transhumanism.
And we would love to have people follow us on Spotify and on X at Landlock Surf.
Thanks.
phil labonte
Right on.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in, brother.
ian crossland
Thank you so much.
phil labonte
All right.
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