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Shots Fired At Timcast Studio, Man Arrested For Stalking Benny, Loomer, Matt Walsh | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Friday was a heck of a show.
Oh boy, did I get in trouble from the things that Milo was saying about Candace and his wife?
I'm sorry, not just Candace, but Charlie Kirk as well and Benny Johnson.
Jeez.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And so we left the show that night thinking everything was-I don't know if normal is the right word because it's hard to describe anything in the past year or a couple years or even decade as normal, I guess.
But you know, here we are.
And the simple version of the story, which we'll get into in a little bit more detail, obviously later on, but a vehicle was slowly approaching the property when it got.
I got to keep some of the details vague just for security reasons, but shot one shot was fired.
It then picks up speed, and then once it lines up at the studio, two more shots are fired.
We don't know what it is, right?
It's based on the threats that we had already received, threats to shoot up the studio and to kill us.
We're just operating under the presumption it's targeted.
But all we really know is: be it an attempt at intimidation or actually just a weak, you know, I guess what do we call it, antifa, terrible aim attempts to kill us.
We don't know who did it or, you know, or why.
But the presumption is, again, we had received threats months ago, some of them were credible, threats to come and shoot up the studio.
One thing that I've never talked about, but as of today, I have, is we routinely get people pulling up to the property in the middle of the night and just sitting there, just literally idling their cars in front of our property.
We have a security perimeter.
We have a six-foot-tall gate, and we've got armed guards, and they'll flicker lights at them, and the people will speed off.
Our old property still gets harassed.
People still show up.
I've told the story a year ago, a man in a dress showed up and physically attacked one of the residents.
And then even recently, a man showed up taking pictures and filming on the property, even though we aren't there.
It's a private residence.
So things are getting a bit serious.
And we got the crew here.
We talked about it.
We've got footage of what happened.
And we also have this other story that interestingly, and I don't know if interesting is the right word, but Benny Johnson posted that a man had been arrested for stalking him, Laura Loomer, Matt Walsh, Katzard, threatening to kill Matt Walsh and his family.
And oh boy, as we enter a political year, things are just getting crazy.
They're getting absolutely crazy.
Charlie Kirk is dead.
And this stuff is just getting worse.
And I believe what the most terrifying thing about the political environment that we are in is that Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk's organization, lost its founder, its leader, its greatest advocate.
And somehow, a section of our political population has turned Turning Point into the perpetrators of the crime they were victims of.
It's psychotic.
And here we are.
That's how crazy things are getting.
So, of course, we're going to talk about that and a lot more.
I know this is a rather serious opening and there are very serious implications as to how we continue doing this show.
We talked about this back in October.
We talked about this after Charlie was murdered and we started receiving serious threats.
And people started posting all across social media saying kill Tim Poole and things of that nature.
And, you know, we had talked about how if we decide to make a move, isolate, shut down, whatever it is, it will feel premature.
I feel like now after three shots are fired at our studio, it doesn't feel premature anymore, but I don't know exactly how or what to do.
And there's a lot to talk about.
So we'll go over this.
There's a lot of, I guess, just crazy shenanigans that are happening as, you know, with the following last Friday's episode.
So we'll talk about that.
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We got pool water, 105 cases left.
That's it.
You want to get it?
Now's your chance.
I'm drinking pool water right now, in fact.
Look at this.
Crisp deleshing pool water.
Refreshing.
What did I say?
Depressing?
ian crossland
Defreshing.
tim pool
Quite defreshing.
So, my friends, smash that like button.
Share the show with everyone, you know.
It's been taxing.
It has been.
Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more.
We have Gary the Numbers Guy.
gary grinberg
How are we doing today, brother?
tim pool
Not well.
gary grinberg
I see.
Well, I mean, Milo just left, so makes sense.
tim pool
You know, Milo stresses me out, but I do enjoy his company.
gary grinberg
You sure those shots weren't fired at Milo?
tim pool
Oh, Milo wasn't here.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, he wasn't here.
We had left for the night.
We had wrapped the show up, Bill.
Who are you?
What do you do?
gary grinberg
I do numerology and astrology.
Basically, before I came along, most people who did this line of work with your women were homosexual men.
And I kind of changed that a little bit when it comes down to that.
tim pool
Only a little bit.
So you are somewhat gay.
gary grinberg
No, no, no.
I've definitely been married for 21 years.
Got kids.
We don't do that Milo stuff here.
But when it comes down to it, what you have to understand is I believe this is a virtual reality we live in.
And I believe numerology and astrology cheat coats.
And as this show goes on, I'll try to express my thoughts to your audience.
tim pool
It is fun stuff, you know, to be completely honest.
It is fun stuff.
So it should be fun.
Thanks for having me out.
Shane is hanging out.
shane cashman
What's up?
Shane, host of Inverted World Live.
I just wanted to share this really quick.
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind.
That's from 2 Timothy 1:7.
A lot.
elad eliahu
Wow, Shane, that was powerful.
Thanks for saying that.
Good evening, everybody.
I am Aladd Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
I'm not going to fill yet because we have Ian in the studio with us as well.
ian crossland
What up?
Hi, everybody.
And Shane, nice one.
Bravery is the name of the game, my man.
shane cashman
That's it.
ian crossland
Gary, great stuff, dude.
And I think you're probably right about astrology.
You know, if radiation is refracting through our bodies and through planets and stuff, it could easily be imprinting on us and creating, you know, fractals of ways of behavior.
That's right, Milo.
I said fractals.
Phil Abanti's in the house.
phil labonte
I love you, Ian.
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Abanti.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Well, we're just going to start with the, you know, what happened over the weekend.
And I talked about it a bit this morning.
I'm interested to hear what the crew thinks.
But, you know, back in October, I was in Phoenix.
I went to Turning Point to do the show with the Turning Point crew and the Charlie Kirk show crew.
We had received a threat that I don't know if we described at the time in detail because we often refrain from exposing some of the finer details because it will make your security worse.
It will increase the threat and the risk.
And the threat was to come and shoot the place.
We were in contact with the FBI.
Look, like Cash and Dan have been on the show.
I know these guys, right?
And we got in touch directly with some great people at the FBI who said that they were working on this and they were in touch with our crew.
And they believed that it was credible because it fit a pattern of other shootings based on the information that was conveyed in it.
And so I believe they're currently tracking that down.
I believe it's an ⁇ I don't know what the deal is going on with it, but I think it's an open case maybe.
And it's not the only one we've received.
We've received a lot of veiled threats and general death threats.
And then Saturday between midnight and 1 a.m., a vehicle slowly approaching the property opens fire.
Then it drives past our driveway to where our studio is.
Two more shots are fired.
And, you know, the first thing everybody did was just, you know, try to rationalize.
So the first thing that happens, our security guards report shots fired.
And I mean, it's a crazy thing to hear.
And we were out.
You know, we had left the show.
We were going to hang out, right?
We go do our stuff.
We get drinks or play poker or something like that.
And so I head back and I'm like, what's going on?
What happened?
And then like some car was lurking around and fired a shot or something like that.
So, you know, we have increased security.
We don't exactly know what's happening at this time, but we've got armed guards, right?
So in the morning, we reviewed security footage and it's three clear gunshots.
We don't know why, right?
We could ignore everything and just say, you know what?
Sometimes out in the country, people, Yosemite Sam, you know what I mean?
unidentified
They take their guns and they go, boom, boom, boom.
tim pool
But that's never happened before.
And we've been here for four years.
And considering the threats, considering the political climate we're in, we can look at it a bunch of different ways.
I think it was targeted.
I think based on the threats that we had received, I think, and escalated quite a bit in recent history in the past couple of weeks, that it was, my thoughts are intimidation.
This is, it's like that old story where they said, you know, a guy hears a gunshot in his neighborhood and he runs out into his backyard and he sees an old man firing a gun to the ground and he's like, what are you doing?
And he's like, keeping the property taxes down.
So the idea is just the shot itself can disrupt an area.
It can cause serious problems with, it can cause problems with our guests.
unidentified
So what would this be?
tim pool
If I'm going to do the math and it's just like a random country shooting for no reason right in front of our studio makes no sense.
Intimidation makes the most sense.
It's not, I wouldn't call it impossible, but I'm trying to be, I'll try to be vague on security, but it's difficult to come here with weapons because we have a security perimeter.
We have armed guards.
So intimidation seems to make the most sense.
And I think that's what the attempt was.
Yeah.
And so, you know, here we are.
This is the climate we are in.
There's no amount of security that can protect you from drive-by shootings.
There's no amount of security.
So we can have people here and, you know, they can report our bullet-ridden corpses should something truly dark happen.
But it's not like they're going to stop someone from pulling off more serious attacks.
So we have to have a discussion, and we've had a discussion earlier today with the company about how we move forward.
And, you know, I'd argue that it looks bleak, but I don't think it's reflective of what we do here.
I think it's reflective of the greater political climate as to why it looks bleak.
I'll throw it to the crew, just curious what you guys think about everything that's going on.
And based on the problem.
gary grinberg
I'm just curious, do any liberals have these problems?
tim pool
No.
gary grinberg
Any Democrats have these problems?
No, no.
Only the conservatives have problems.
We've got people killed.
We got people targeted.
phil labonte
I mean, well, to be fair, Josh Shapiro's house was firebombed.
elad eliahu
I will also say Nancy Pelosi's home was raided by a guy with a hammer.
gary grinberg
With a hammer?
I thought that was a lover of somebody.
elad eliahu
Still violence.
unidentified
I don't know if it was a loverish quarrel, but California.
elad eliahu
There is violence to right.
I'm sure AOC gets a ton of threats.
phil labonte
Yeah, but I mean, you're not tier point.
I mean, you're right.
But at the end of the day, like the actual attacks, I mean, whether it be the attempts on Donald Trump's life, you know, what happened to Charlie Kirk, Steve Scalise a few years back, the shooting at the congressional baseball game, that was intended to target, you know, Republicans.
Generally, the attacks that lately have actually resulted in maimings and loss of life, they've all been attacks against Republicans, against conservatives.
And whether or not you think it was actually politically motivated target and was targeted, or if it was just people that knew that they don't like Tim Poole or the stuff that we do here, so they went to try to send a message.
That doesn't matter, really, because at the end of the day, you know, the next one might actually be someone that's trying to get a person, you know, whether or not they're targeting Tim or just anyone here.
You know, that's something that's a real tangible threat now.
gary grinberg
What's one of the first things you guys told me when I came here?
No talk of political violence whatsoever.
We need the leftists to start doing the same thing.
tim pool
Well, we said don't make threats.
gary grinberg
Don't make threats.
tim pool
They don't talk about violence.
gary grinberg
Well, obviously.
But what I'm basically trying to tell you is the Democrats will never tell that to their followers.
phil labonte
No.
gary grinberg
Never tell them, slow down.
Like when Charlie Kirk died, I was disgusted with all the people who were celebrating.
tim pool
They either celebrated or they said, that's what Charlie gets for speaking these hateful things.
phil labonte
Yeah.
gary grinberg
That's the price of it.
tim pool
What more could he have expected, I suppose?
phil labonte
And it's something that even people in Congress, I think specifically when it comes to Charlie and the assassination of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, people in positions of power, they generally had the right, they sent the right message.
There weren't people in Congress.
They weren't notable Democrats that were saying, oh, this is good.
But the rank and file were celebrating, first of all.
And then if you look back to the summer of the summer of riots in 2020, there were plenty of people in Congress egging on the rioters, saying things like, we need to be out in the streets.
We need more of it.
You had Kamala Harris was shilling a website that was paying for the defense, the legal defense of these people.
So to your point, absolutely.
There needs to be Democrats that are actually standing up and saying this is something that we disavow.
And they need to do it more often because I think that the people on the ground, they hear a totally different message than the one that the major players are playing.
elad eliahu
I believe this is more of a symptom of the times than anything else.
We live in an era of political assassinations.
People feel as though they feel emboldened to take action into their own hands and they feel as though they're justified in taking that action.
It isn't only shots on the President Trump's President Trump that we saw.
In Japan, there was a very effective, I hate to use that word, political assassination of Shinzo Abe.
I listened to Tim's show earlier today where he put it extremely succinct, but it was so morbid.
It was an effective, the most effective political assassination I think that you of our generation of Charlie Kirk.
Because what happened following the death of Charlie Kirk, the right is in complete disarray.
And I think these people are emboldened by things like that.
tim pool
And Turning Point has become the perpetrator of the crime in which they were the victim.
That is probably one of the most terrifying things out of all of this.
Charlie Kirk built an organization that registered young people to vote, convinced young people to support a populist, pro-American nationalist, all these, you know, this big coalition.
He is murdered.
By all means, ask questions about by who, whatever you want to think.
And today, a large portion of people believe Turning Point, the victim, is actually the perpetrator.
That's how terrifying the political climate is.
The left doesn't have this degree of self-sabotage.
And so if you think about not only did the left get everything they could have dreamed of from the murder of Charlie Kirk.
And again, I don't know what Robinson's political affiliation is.
He's got a transfer a boyfriend.
We'll see what the evidence shows.
gary grinberg
So you believe the FBI story?
tim pool
I'm just, I'm so, what does that mean?
What does that mean?
gary grinberg
Oh, what the FBI says, Taro Robinson did all that.
tim pool
So do you believe that?
I think that the evidence we have seen thus far, Occam's razor, suggests Robinson is the likely culprit.
We will see what happens in the trial when evidence is presented, but there's literally no other story.
Just a bunch of fucking retards on the internet saying stupid shit.
And what that does is the organization that helped get Donald Trump elected, which needs to persist.
You're going to be a fan of it, but it certainly will help get individual congressional candidates elected and stop Democrats from launching new committees and putting more people in prison like Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro.
Instead, it's being gutted by fucking psychopaths telling people to pull their donations.
So when this organization burns to the ground or whatever the fuck happens to it, maybe they're fine.
The organization that's rallying young people, causing a shift in the political leanings of a generation for the first time in history, is now in dire straits.
Their leader and founder murdered and prominent pieces of human trash are trying to destroy it.
It's fucking evil.
So you know what?
When someone pulls in front of my property and fires on it several times, I'm sitting here looking at these vile pieces of shit and thinking to myself, for what purpose will I stick my neck out if this is what happens after Charlie Kirk is killed?
Candace Owens is a fucking evil scumbag.
She is a degenerate cunt.
She is burning everything down and she's gloating and smiling while she does it.
And you know what you fucking told me?
She has no security.
She doesn't fucking deal with the shit we have to deal with.
She's a piece of shit.
She's making everyone else suffer.
And all of these fucking conservatives out there that send me these fucking messages have no fucking balls to call her out.
More and more people have started doing it.
They send me these fucking messages.
Good for you, Tim.
Good for you, Tim.
I wasn't the first person to do it.
I'm not going to take credit for that.
But don't fucking DM me like I did something for you as you cower, as you fucking cower, scared that she'll put you on her thumbnail and claim you benefited from Charlie Kirk's assassination, which she's doing to me right fucking now.
unidentified
Yeah, that was the, I'm fucking done with these people.
gary grinberg
She has security just now on the level of you.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, the one fat guy you mentioned with no wall and no barrier in a suburban neighborhood with neighbors.
She doesn't give two fucking shits.
No one's out for her.
She's lying about all of this.
You told me you went to her house and she's got a four-foot wall and one fat guy and she doesn't give a shit about her security.
Meanwhile, I get bullets fired at my fucking property and I have to go live in the middle of nowhere.
And I got fucking strangers coming up to my house in Maryland, breaking in.
I got people showing up and beating up the residents who try to live there.
How the fuck am I even supposed to sell this property?
And you know, it's all lies.
It's all hypocrisy.
And it is for the purpose of making money.
And she does not live the way other people live.
And she claims she liked Charlie.
She loved Charlie.
And she is burning everything down that he built because she is evil.
She is evil.
And I'll say it again.
This conservative movement is fractured.
It's fried, whatever it is.
Okay.
Republicans are on track to lose the midterms.
They were actually trending in the other direction until Charlie Kirk was murdered.
And this is the point, isn't it?
The most effective political assassination in history.
And thanks to the likes of the vile cunt, Candace Owens, she has turned Turning Point into the perpetrators of the crime that was against them.
I don't get paid by any of these people.
I'm not on good terms necessarily with Turning Point USA.
They didn't invite me to their stupid event.
I don't want to go.
I don't want to go.
They invited me back after I started criticizing Candace.
I'm not going to your event.
I'm over all of this shit.
The last thing that I need to deal with is a bunch of cowards and conservative media refusing to stand up to her.
Megan Kelly, come on.
I appreciate the kind words, but come on.
Such fucking pathetic bullshit.
You know, and I get people saying, Tim, you know, thank you so much for talking about.
I don't care.
I'm not doing a favor for anybody.
I'm not doing this to benefit anybody.
Nobody's paying me.
There's no fucking Russia.
There's no fucking Israel.
There's just me sticking my neck out and then risking dying for what?
A bunch of cowards that don't want to stand up to protect themselves?
People like fucking Candace Owens.
phil labonte
I couldn't believe that she put you in the thumbnail of her piece today.
tim pool
I'm done.
phil labonte
The idea that she didn't fucking that you had some benefit or that you benefit somehow.
tim pool
She benefited.
I think she's a fed and I think she killed Charlie.
No one benefited more than her.
And now she is, when you look at what's stopping us from winning in 2026 right now, what the biggest threat and the biggest fear we have is it is the disarray on the right.
It is the fracturing of the coalition of all the different voices that came together and stopped the neoliberal bullshit liberal economic order machine that was that was coming out and telling everybody to chop their dicks off and that you had to get fucking injected or get locked in your house.
And here we have a coalition resisting and rejecting that.
Charlie Kirk dies and he's not perfect.
He loved Israel.
Some people don't like that, but he certainly did organize a movement that brought people together that helped get Trump elected, helped Republicans win, and resisted what the Democratic Party had been doing and these psychopath institutions.
I don't want to go back to COVID.
Does everybody remember what that was like?
When you were locked in your home and to wear two masks and you couldn't go anywhere unless they stuck you in the arm and the only resistance we had was these feckless loser Republicans who've got nothing done over the past year.
And now Charlie Kirk was murdered and we say, holy crap, what do we do?
How do we keep things together?
And Candace, with a smile on her face and Ian Carroll and all the rest of them say Turning Point did it to themselves.
They destroyed themselves.
Polly's your donations because they work for Israel.
Even Nick Fuentes calling it out saying this is psychotic.
So when we lose in the midterms and the Democrats bring back their panels and their subpoenas and they start arresting people like they had already done in the past four years and then we get whatever the equivalent of lockdowns is going to be and you get President Gavin Newsom.
You can mark it all back to this moment when you had evil stand, scream and cowards refuse to do anything.
gary grinberg
With all due respect, always every single president loses in midterms.
tim pool
And guess what?
gary grinberg
Every single one.
tim pool
The prediction markets showed that it was near 50-50 based on the political swing that we had seen.
Gen Z, the first generation in 100 years, to tick slightly rightward in some areas, not all, but some.
And this was a big moment because while they were very similar to millennials, they were slightly more conservative in some areas.
And we saw that in the past couple of years, Gen Z was actually skewing away from LGBTQIA issues.
How is this happening?
It is not only nor solely, but largely Charlie Kirk and his work with Turning Point.
And so Turning Point certainly has its issues, but don't, there's literally no reason to burn it to the ground.
Unless, of course, it makes you famous and rich.
You know?
So I guess by all means, my issue right now is people are shooting at you.
gary grinberg
That's obvious who you're certainly.
100%.
But we lost Charlie Kirk.
You're thinking about, you know, taking off in the sunset.
Who we got left?
Who we got left?
So Charlie's gone.
tim pool
Candace Owens.
Congratulations.
gary grinberg
Okay, we got Candace Owens, too.
tim pool
Good, good, good.
So you can spin around with your dick in your hand while you sound like a retard to the average person, and then Democrats win.
gary grinberg
I mean, but you're taking off.
tim pool
Yeah, you know why?
Because people are not.
When I get private texts and messages saying like, oh, yeah, I agree with you, but I would never dare say anything.
I'm like, I'm not doing this.
You know, my whole life, I have had a disdain for those who demand others work for them.
Now, now, I hold on for a minute.
Like, I understand we all work for each other.
Saying, I remember when I was younger, I wanted to, I was like, we're in Chicago, I skateboard, but there's nowhere to skate in the winter.
So, what do we do?
What do we do?
Well, holy crap, I figured something out.
If 10 of my friends come together and put 100 bucks down every month, we can actually rent a warehouse.
And you know what they all said?
You do it and then let me know, and I'll think about it.
And that's the world, and that's what people do.
So, when people message me saying I wouldn't dare speak up against Candace, I'm just like, oh, fuck off, dude.
Coward.
But to the people that have started speaking out, calling her out, you know, good.
But it doesn't matter.
It doesn't really matter in the end.
It doesn't really matter.
And then she can say whatever she wants.
She can do whatever wackaloon shows she wants.
The fact that she put me on her thumbnail today, titled, Who Benefited from Charlie Kirk's Death, whether she's retarded, I don't think she is, or doing intentionally, it doesn't matter.
The message is clear.
You speak up against her and she will sick people on you.
Is that the purpose?
I called her out?
phil labonte
Absolutely.
That was the point.
The reason she put you on the thumbnail was because you had the audacity to call her out.
tim pool
It was.
And people don't.
And so many people don't.
Like when Ben Shapiro was on with Megan Kelly and Megan Kelly deferred and then said, all right, well, and demured, and then later came out and said, Candace never said that.
It's like, you know what, man?
She can say every which way a million times, but never directly say it for plausible deniability.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
As if we're retarded.
I just, it's what a stupid world to live in.
So listen, it's not just about her.
She comes up because she, you know, I guess there it is.
You know, she put me on her thumbnail.
She's, she's a, she's a piece of trash.
And we have, we have death threats against us consistently.
For too long, we don't talk about it.
Now, the problem is the one thing we talked about in October was, I think we're one of the few shows that actually invites the public to come.
Not like literally anyone of the public, but we probably send out address, location, five times a day to various people who are booking on this show.
Well, for that, we are more likely to get doxxed.
I don't know how we continue doing a show like this.
I don't know how we do it.
And that's the conversation we were having earlier.
So it's possible the 19th is the last Tim Cast IRL.
I'm not going to stop doing content, but the general thought is if I only do a solo VOD show like I used to before we did IRL, then there's no other guests.
There's undisclosed location.
And I can do the show from a camper in the middle of the desert with Starlink, if that's the case.
Right now, the issue is people are coming to our properties and even property that we had hidden.
This is what people don't get.
I'll talk to somebody and the first thing they always say is, well, what you got to do to hide your property, stop.
Do you think we've not done that?
We've literally done that for all of our properties and they still get doxxed.
Maybe because it's the feds.
I don't know.
I don't know how they find some of these locations.
We put them in trusts.
We put them in LLCs.
We put them in other people's names or whatever.
And whatever legal means you have to obfuscate.
And somehow we get swatted.
Somehow people are showing up.
Packages are being left.
And it's just okay.
So I don't know how we navigate this, but I will say this.
The threat has never been more real.
And we had to cancel Booney's skate night.
There's no way we can invite 50 to 100 people to come for a big skateboarding event.
We can't vet.
We can't protect ourselves against targeted drive-by shootings or if this really does escalate to a more serious degree.
So I don't know if there is an answer.
And this is the plain reality of the country that we are living in right now.
I want to go to have a meetup event.
We want to say like, hey, guys, come hang out with us.
This is what we did on Saturday.
I have to have a security guard come with me to the bathroom.
And I'm not unique in that.
A lot of people live that way.
More famous and wealthier people than I. What an insane way to live.
gary grinberg
But that's the profession you chose.
You chose, you worked hard.
Became number one.
When you're number one in anything, you're going to be a target for a whole bunch of people.
It is what it is.
This is the society we live in.
tim pool
Well, you know what the issue is?
Back in the day when you were at this level of political influence, you could afford security.
But the issue now is I would argue that maybe, I don't know what number I gave earlier today, but I was like, maybe what, 80% of the content we produce is not seen.
on our platforms with our advertisers and our members.
It's clipped and redistributed through massive networks, which all make money off the content we produce, and we can't get that money.
So we have the influence that reaches 50 million people and half of them want to murder me, but we don't have the 10 million viewers per night that would afford us the ability to have a secure facility.
And you look at Fox News and they have a big skyscraper in New York.
They've got security guards.
You can't even get in that building.
You can't get anywhere near those studios and the glass is probably bulletproof.
That's Fox News with carriage fees and big cable networks and I guess long-standing position in the market with billions of dollars and probably an endowment that generates money.
We don't have that.
gary grinberg
Well, listen, just my advice.
I'm from Miami, Florida, and I got doxxed.
And after I got doxxed and I got swatted, I did two things.
Number one, I moved into a high rise with security.
Number two, I got to be good friends with the mayor to make sure something like that didn't happen again.
So there are options.
There are options.
Obviously, you're at a whole different level.
But listen, if you get a penthouse in some place in Miami or they say Sunny Isles or someplace in Florida where you have real top-notch security, like the Porsche Tower in Sunny House, you cannot get in that building.
It's literally the FBI guarding that building.
tim pool
That's a good point.
gary grinberg
So if I were you, you worked too freaking hard to build what you got to give up.
Change locations, adapt or die.
Again, you adapt in this world or you die.
And what I'm basically trying to tell you is move to a better location and do this 10 times harder.
The people who fucking distance you say, fuck you.
I'm sorry, Frank.
tim pool
Let's, nah, you deserve it because I went off too.
You know what I mean?
We're having fun, right?
Let me pull this up from Benny Johnson, and it's not just about me.
Benny Johnson tweets, this man showed up at my home where my wife and children live.
He was ranting about me and went door to door in my neighborhood trying to find me, terrifying my neighbors.
We believe he was armed and fled before the cops arrived.
He then explicitly and publicly threatened the lives of Matt Walsh and his wife and children.
He recently showed up at Cat Turt's home ranting and raving about me and Matt Walsh and Laura Loomer.
Thank you to the FBI and DOJ for investigating these threats and swiftly arresting stalker Andrew Eyre.
He was clearly spiraling in a very dangerous way.
I don't like to speak publicly about this kind of stuff because it involves my family and their security.
I'm sick over it.
But I have an obligation to amplify this case as if it is one of multiple ongoing criminal prosecutions for threats against my family.
Over the past year, I've watched my president get shot in the head and my friend get assassinated.
Things are spiraling wildly out of control.
There are real world consequences for psychotic rhetoric and lies amplified online enough.
If you are threatening my family, expect me to fight back with full force.
There is nothing I wouldn't do to protect my family.
I would gladly die for them.
This is good versus evil, darkness versus light.
The battle is spiritual with Christ.
We will win.
And this man was arrested for, you can see here, threatening Matt Walsh's family, stalking Laura Loomer.
Loomer believes that she was the next target, trying to track down Benny Johnson.
And this is in Tampa, Florida, of all places.
You know, I think next year is going to get substantially worse.
And we do have to adapt.
We do have to change what we're doing here.
And so right now, I don't know how we do it quickly is the issue.
We have one week left in this studio for the year, and then we're doing a week in Vegas, which is very secure.
And I'm very confident about that because it ain't just our security we're going to have.
There's a lot of security that we've been working with.
And then the 19th, we go on the Christmas hiatus.
It's pretty long this year because I think Christmas is a Wednesday.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And then New Year's is a Wednesday too.
So there's literally no way around it.
When we come back on the 5th, we will be in Florida.
And beautiful state.
And we will be doing the show down there as we attempt to figure out how we navigate this.
And, you know, the mistake I think we all make, I think we make, is we should have done this three months ago.
The moment they killed Charlie, we should have immediately had an emergency meeting and said, we're changing how we do everything.
It should not have come down to a shooting to make us start freaking out and being like, okay, now we're on, now we're on, you know, highest, highest alert.
So it's not just here.
Benny Johnson posted this the same day we posted about the shooting.
And I do believe the arrest was actually made.
This was, I believe it was mid-November.
So they were sitting on this probably.
They didn't want to say anything for security reasons.
The more we talk about it, the more we potentially put at risk our current situation.
So, you know, with one week left here, we just ramped up security to a greater degree.
And then we're like, we're going to Vegas.
We're on hiatus.
We're not coming back.
I don't know how we do it.
You make a great point.
Penthouse, it's a really good idea.
gary grinberg
If you want, I'll introduce you to the mayor of Sunny Isles.
That's probably the most prestigious city in Miami.
That's where I live, a suburb.
I can get you to the people in the Porsche Tower.
Billionaires live there.
Go visit them all the time.
Be more than happy to give you some introductions.
Listen, bro.
tim pool
I don't know how we have that money.
gary grinberg
I don't know you well enough.
I just met you.
But you work too damn hard to get where you are to quit because some fucking cowards took some shots at you, bro.
You work too damn hard to get in the position to just quit, my friend.
And again, I don't know you.
tim pool
But it's not just quitting.
gary grinberg
I mean, you're letting them win.
You're letting them win.
tim pool
No, the idea is the way I look at it, it's like I could be wrong.
I don't track every single show, but while there's a lot of shows with guests, we do like the function of this show is an in-person sit-down every day.
And, you know, a couple of years ago, it's really funny.
One prominent leftist we invited on cased our property before knocking on the door.
Yeah.
I'm not going to say what it was.
They showed up quietly, got out of their car, and then walked all the way around the perimeter, checking for something.
I don't know.
And then came to the door and knocked.
And we were like, oh, hey, what's going on?
And then our security was like, he was stalking the property.
He was like, we don't know if he was filming or what was he doing?
And we were like, that's weird.
That's how crazy things have gotten.
So the idea right now is we can't do a show that invites people out every single day.
We can't do it.
We, we, like, you know, look, I get it.
The boonies, maybe it was stupid to even consider having skate events.
There was a lot of hype and everyone was really excited for it.
We canceled it.
We can't do it.
And so now the idea is any kind of public location that's a studio has to be in some kind of compound with guards and it can't just be us.
Like the way this works is if there's like 15 companies in one corporate complex, like you were mentioning, like a skyscraper penthouse or something like that.
Or I was mentioning Fox News.
You're mentioning penthouses.
A structure that has distributed resources for prominent security, making it very difficult to reach those levels.
A penthouse is actually a really great idea.
gary grinberg
You need four levels of security.
First level of security, when someone goes into the building, they check in.
They have to give their ID to get in the building.
They get the gate open.
Second level of security, they have to get in the front desk.
They have to call you.
There's no numbers on the elevator.
They have to push you up themselves.
And that's the third level of security.
You have the people up there.
So you literally have three levels of security someone has to get through.
And they're not.
Listen, I get death threats all the time too.
Probably not at any level you do, but I'm pretty prominent in my space.
And they don't like me because most of the people in my space are liberals and leftists.
And I'm the only right-winger in there who gets any publicity and stuff like that.
You need to take care of yourself and your family.
Number one, you have to go into the penthouse.
That is the only thing at this point that could have a bridge between you and everyone else.
tim pool
How much do those cost?
gary grinberg
I mean, and where I'm talking about about 20, 30 recs a month.
tim pool
20, 30 recs?
unidentified
Thousand.
gary grinberg
Thousand.
tim pool
Oh.
unidentified
But I mean, like, to buy 10 mil, 8 mil.
gary grinberg
It's worth it.
I mean, that's where I live.
tim pool
Man.
Look where you're.
gary grinberg
You wake up every day and you see the ocean.
You see the beach.
I mean, I mean, listen, listen.
tim pool
I don't, I don't like it.
gary grinberg
Listen, listen.
You have this place around here.
I'm sure it's cool for somebody.
They like to go hunting and all this stuff.
But when you wake up every day and you see that ocean, it calms you down a little bit.
All this stuff that's going on in your life, you see that ocean, you hear those breezes coming through your bowels.
It will count.
tim pool
Nah, I'm not a watermark.
Have you noticed the hat that I wear?
I'm not a Florida kind of guy.
I'm a mountain guy.
I like the mountains.
gary grinberg
Well, go on vacation back here.
tim pool
But you make a good point.
This is true.
gary grinberg
There's no other place you can have penthouses with that level of security unless you're in Miami or you don't want to go to homosexual LA and stuff like that.
So that's all you have.
phil labonte
It's LA.
elad eliahu
He needed an office in Fox News's building in Manhattan.
tim pool
Elod was like, have you considered selling the Fox News?
elad eliahu
You have to make that public?
unidentified
It just made the press go up.
elad eliahu
No, I mean, I know they have very secure facilities in Washington, D.C. and in New York City.
We're a small company here.
The security costs are, you know, there's a huge barrier to entry.
But like, again, we're in this political climate of danger.
People are threatening one another.
Also, one of the reasons Marjorie Taylor Greene allegedly resigned was because of the death threats of violence against her.
tim pool
There was that dude in Maine who resigned.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
The Democrat guy.
Or I'm sorry, he's announced his retirement.
I don't know if he's actually resigned just yet, but yeah, Marjorie Taylor Greene saying it's getting crazy.
Behind the scenes, it's not my place to speak for anybody.
There were a lot of people in independent media, right-leaning media that are talking about quitting.
Quitting or going into hiding.
I think this is publicly known.
Like Tucker moved to the middle of nowhere.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Everybody knew that a long time because he lived in.
ian crossland
He's buying a house in Qatar.
tim pool
Did he really?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yesterday, I think.
tim pool
He's leaving the country.
ian crossland
He didn't say he was leaving, but he said he was going to purchase property in Qatar.
tim pool
You know, I've been looking at El Salvador.
phil labonte
I hear it's great.
tim pool
Coin Beach, baby.
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
elad eliahu
I think they'd like to have you in Israel.
ian crossland
Get a lot of security there for you.
phil labonte
Yeah, I hear Elad can sponsor you.
elad eliahu
I think we could get you a visa.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Look, I mean, whatever steps that you need to take to guarantee security, obviously that's primary.
You got wife and kid, you know?
And let me, I'm sorry.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
unidentified
Just finish.
tim pool
I was going to say something.
phil labonte
Well, just this kind of, you can't, you can't live under this kind of threat all the time.
And again, the point was to scare you, obviously, because, you know, I mean, thankfully, that's all that it was.
You know, the person that carried this out, they didn't have the intent of actually hitting someone.
If they did, they would have gone about it totally different.
But this was in order to scare you.
This was to do exactly what's going on to have, you know, have a bunch of chaos at the studio, have a bunch of chaos on the show.
tim pool
And what's next?
phil labonte
Exactly.
tim pool
I mean, what's next is the actual shooting.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So it doesn't matter if they're like, I hope this scares Tim.
It's like, yes, because we know no matter what happens, the next thing is the actual shot.
phil labonte
And someone else will be like, oh, you know, I can do it better.
They'll try and one up and stuff.
tim pool
I want to address the retards.
This is, what is that?
Is that real?
The really, what is that?
Really?
Hydro?
You changed your name.
Tim, why didn't you act like this when you had a bullet in your kitchen?
I'm not saying you're lying, but we can use more evidence of a crime.
Because the bullet in my kitchen was from my guy.
My guy shot the gun.
I like West Virginia.
We had three people break out of the property.
This was just before we were moving in.
And our security guy, our guy here, shot at them, putting a bullet in the cupboard island in one of the buildings.
And they, I, I, this, I, what, what's the guy jumped out the window, shattered it, and they got in the car.
I guess two guys ran out the back.
One guy jumped through the window, breaking it.
And then the window was broken.
And wait to get it replaced.
And then they sped off.
So we don't know what that was, but this was before we officially moved into the new studio.
I tweeted a photo of that bullet hole and said our guy fired a shot.
So, you know, now people are taking only one of the tweets out of the series and then making it seem like we got shot then because they're manipulating you because people are stupid and they fall for it.
gary grinberg
You got to be used to people taking things out of context by now.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, of course.
Yeah.
elad eliahu
So I got to say, the incentives, Tim, almost don't seem like they're there for you.
I mean, I deeply appreciate the work that you do.
And I think a lot of other people in the media space think you're an invaluable asset in the media space for people who actually seek truth and don't just pretend to.
But like from your perspective, you are sacrificing so much.
You have a wife and daughter, and I don't think it's breaking news to anybody that they're probably scared shitless as well.
And, you know, there are serious threats to your life.
This isn't the first time that you've been swatted or there's been an attack against you.
And you have every position and right to just say, F it, I'm a multi-millionaire.
I don't need to work another day in my life.
I have a hundred vans and I have a hundred beaches that I could go drive by to.
And Tim, you literally don't have to do this at all.
And, you know, it kind of begs the question: what continues to motivate you?
Because you're still.
phil labonte
The day you quit is the day that Elod starts a lodcast, IRL.
unidentified
Is that what's happening?
tim pool
Well, actually, I'm now going to announce that Elod will be taking the show over.
elad eliahu
Damn, that was going to be Candace Owens' assumption and conspiracy the whole time.
If anything ever happens to you, I don't mean just about myself, but I think we know who's getting some of the blame.
tim pool
Why don't you hit up Israel and see how much they're willing to put down and be like, hey, yo, Israel, I could do this show.
Just got to pay up and Tim will exit.
You know what I mean?
elad eliahu
You know, I'm surprised that she, Candace hasn't accused you of taking money from Israel already.
unidentified
Actually, I think she might have, but I don't know.
tim pool
If it was anyone else who called her out, she'd be putting their face on her thumbnails.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like that's the point.
Everyone's terrified of her.
Granted, more people have started coming out and calling her out, which I'm glad they are.
But I just.
elad eliahu
I think people understand that that is actually, Tim, the future of the Republican Party.
People like Candace Owens, people like Tucker Carlson, who, again, make excuses for people like Candace Owens.
And then I get, and I think people like Megan Kelly, too, who probably know better, but are going to shut their mouth because they're scared of, you know, getting the wrath of Candace Owens put on them.
They're cowards.
People like Megan Kelly, I've watched do literal news, legitimate news for a long time.
She should know better.
She's more concerned about audience capture.
She's more worried about people watching her show and not getting on the bad side of Candace Owens.
And it's pathetic, frankly.
And there's a lot of people like that in the media space who do know better, but are just scared.
tim pool
You know, there are scary people out there.
They're very scary personalities.
Milo is a scary guy.
Milo knows what you did.
I'm not joking.
There are a lot of people out there, and I'm actually surprised.
And I've talked about this.
I think Milo literally talked about this.
You know, a lot of people canceled him.
And, you know, I think this, I think he was talking about this the wrong.
I think he talked about it on the show when he was working with the A.
He was like, there's a lot of people that destroyed his career.
And he, behind the scenes, with nothing else to do, dug up dirt on everybody.
And there are scary people.
ian crossland
He's like, Roar.
elad eliahu
I think he's fucking disgusting.
He's not driven by truth.
He's driven by personal vendettas.
And he's like, frankly, he's no asset to the right-wing movement.
He's all about just himself.
His values are disgusting.
He's a disgusting person.
He has no issue to lie, steal, and cheat to help himself.
If we're dealing with people like that solely in the movement, I think we deserve to lose.
gary grinberg
I consider Milo the Roger Stone of the influencer world.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
gary grinberg
He's a fixer.
Elaborate.
If people need to find stuff out or dig up information, that's what he does.
tim pool
Dude.
gary grinberg
And let me tell you something.
elad eliahu
And it won't matter if Milo will just make it.
gary grinberg
Listen, listen.
tim pool
I don't know.
gary grinberg
I'm not talking about what he makes up, what he doesn't.
I will tell you this.
Milo has a network.
I don't want to go too much into it, but a lot of people are scared of him.
I'll just say that.
elad eliahu
Yeah, because he's a charlatan.
There are many charlatans on the right.
There's a handful.
There's Ian Carroll.
There's Milo Yiannopoulos.
There's Candace Owens.
All of these are charlatans who are willing and happy to lie to you to advance whatever cause they think they're advancing.
Whatever they think is right.
tim pool
I wouldn't describe Milo that way.
elad eliahu
I think he's very Machiavellian.
He's willing to lie, cheat.
tim pool
Charlton's a different word.
Yeah.
So if you want to say that, you know, Milo is cunning and subversive and Machiavellian and untrustworthy.
The way I describe trustworthy for a lot of people in politics is, you know, you can trust the scorpion to sting the frog, right?
So.
elad eliahu
You could trust that Milo will lie to you.
Yes, and manipulate you.
tim pool
I give Milo an 80-20, whereas a lot of people just get a straight, you know, if they're a straight shooter, they're a straight shooter.
What I basically mean by that is there's a degree to which I don't necessarily trust Milo.
I don't, you know, but I largely do.
I don't think he acts appropriately, however, and I don't think he's right about everything.
And I do believe that he is, he, he, he's very, very good at what is subversive the right word.
elad eliahu
He's willing to slander whoever because of his past grievances.
I believe he, didn't he call Charlie Kirk gay just because he thought that Kirk kipped him out of the movement?
Like he's willing to say whatever about Erica Kirk.
He's willing to back up whatever Dennis Owens says now only because he has this personal vendetta from the past.
He doesn't care about burning it down.
He cares about his.
tim pool
He put it like this.
I find that to be a very, very plausible explanation for his views, as George Santos even pointed out, that Milo was slandering people involved with Turning Point, largely siding with Candace because he is personally, I guess, offended by what Charlie Kirk said about him.
So he's biased.
So, yeah.
gary grinberg
Some of the stuff he said here on Friday was true.
I'm not going to elaborate what, but some of it.
elad eliahu
Does it matter if it doesn't matter if the other half of what he said isn't true, though?
gary grinberg
I mean, listen, it's just like the government.
You got to read between the lines.
They ain't going to tell you the truth.
Got to read between the lines.
ian crossland
You know what I mean?
elad eliahu
I think that's some bullshit, though, because I don't try to deceive people.
Like, I may have politics that I believe in, but I'm not willing to lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate to try to advance those causes.
Maybe I'm not Machiavellian enough.
Maybe that's why I don't have 150,000 live viewers like Candace Owens does.
Maybe that's what you need to do in the space.
Maybe politics is just as dirty as everybody makes it out to be.
Maybe you need to imply that people are involved in things that they aren't involved in to gain a following.
Maybe it's okay to, you know, risk putting other people at violence's risk to, you know, advance your narrative.
It's crazy.
Who stands to gain from Charlie Kirk being killed?
Well, it seems as though Candace Owens has benefited the most off of Charlie Kirk's death.
Not pool, not Andrew Colvett, not Erica Kirk, not JD Vance.
It seems Candace Owens really benefited the most out of this.
And it seems fascinating, you know, that we're not really looking into this, right?
Because, you know, just from presumptive reasoning, she stood to gain, right?
Look at all this circumstantial evidence, man.
She's benefiting so much off this.
She had to be involved.
tim pool
She's a lot of lawyers that work in a federal building.
She gets ousted from Turning Point.
She immediately seeks to burn Turning Point down.
I would argue that I don't play the games that she does, but following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, she had every reason to destroy Turning Point USA.
And I don't think she's actually trying to investigate Charlie's death.
I think she's saying, now's my opportunity that Charlie's gone to burn down TP USA.
gary grinberg
Maybe so.
Maybe so.
But listen, when Charlie died, and again, that was a tragic event.
I think they took out what is possibly a future American president.
tim pool
Yeah.
gary grinberg
And I think he would have been a future American president in the future.
So they took a future American president for us.
But when he died, you had two people going after his audience, Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes.
Nick even moved a little bit more, started becoming a little bit more moderate to get that audience.
So just because Candace won that battle and took more of Charlie Kirk's audience than Nick Fuentes did doesn't necessarily mean that.
elad eliahu
Dude, I agree.
I'm being facetious when I make that argument.
No, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I'm making that argument because I'm mocking Candace Owens because that's how she makes her arguments only based off circumstantial evidence.
So I agree with you.
I'm mocking her.
gary grinberg
I got you.
elad eliahu
Tim, I did want to ask, though, Candace Owens did put a thumbnail up.
It says the billion-dollar question on it.
And it says, who stood to benefit from Charlie Kirk's assassination?
It's your put on there and then FBI.
tim pool
And Cash Patamine and Kash Patel.
elad eliahu
What do you think she's trying to achieve by having you on her thumbnail with the quote, who stood to benefit?
tim pool
It doesn't matter what I think she wants to achieve.
What will the outcome be?
What do you think?
gary grinberg
I think that Candace Owens is born in 1989, the year of the snake, and 2025 is the year of the snake.
And I think that's why she's number one right now.
elad eliahu
Because she's born.
tim pool
So anyway, the question I asked was, he said, why do I think that she put me on her thumbnail today with a title of the billion dollar question, who stands to gain?
It's Kash Patel and it's me.
I said her intention doesn't matter.
The outcome of the action does.
And what do you think the outcome will be of her putting me in cash on this thumbnail?
gary grinberg
To get a response out of you.
tim pool
That's it?
gary grinberg
I mean, listen.
You're a titan.
You're a titan in this industry, and she's getting there too.
So you guys talking about each other is going to be.
tim pool
She's always been bigger than me, dude.
gary grinberg
I don't know.
elad eliahu
Dude, she's in her chinset.
Tim Poole had something to do with it.
tim pool
Her channel's more than double mine.
gary grinberg
I mean, if you count all your channels together, it's a little different.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, but come on.
Those are overlapping subscribers.
She's always had a bigger show.
She's always gotten.
elad eliahu
She had 150,000 live viewers today.
I think it's very clear what she was trying to do here.
She was trying to imply that Tim had something to do with this because circumstantial.
tim pool
Hold on, Ryla.
Okay, but this doesn't matter.
The question is, what will the outcome of that be?
phil labonte
She's trying to rile up her audience.
People will be mad at you.
They'll be pointing the finger and saying, Candace thinks that it was Tim, and so we should hate Tim Poole.
tim pool
And then what does that result in?
elad eliahu
Violence.
Violence towards Tim Poole.
That is her goal.
That's what I believe her goal here is with this thumbnail.
Yes.
tim pool
Wholeheartedly.
Will the outcome of her making that be the case?
elad eliahu
I think she has a large audience of complete fucking retards, so of hundreds of thousands of complete fucking retards.
tim pool
Millions.
elad eliahu
Millions of retards.
Well, that's democracy, baby.
I don't know.
It's a scary thought.
tim pool
Yeah.
And I don't think that she is the future of the Republican Party.
It is interesting.
Is it true that Tucker's buying a house in Doha?
elad eliahu
Doha.
I don't only think this is a message to you, Tim.
I think this is a message to everybody, everybody else in the movement.
Don't step out of fucking line.
You challenge me.
I'll take on Tim Poole.
I'll take on any of you guys.
If you're willing to call me out on what you think is bullshit, I don't give a shit, is what I think her message is.
tim pool
You know, these people, these people, they have tried to control me for so long and they just have never been able to do it.
When we had Milo on Friday, it was funny because I pointed out like, there are a lot of people that have come to me and said, Tim, we will make you very rich.
We just need guardrails.
They don't say it like that.
They're like, let us handle all the posting scheduling for you and we'll give you your stories.
It'll be really easy.
You don't got to worry about it.
You'll end up making way more money.
We can get you subject matter that will hit better and trend tracking.
And then I said, I have this really funny story where I said, what if I want to do the, well, I don't want to conflate these stories and imply one person said something when they didn't say something.
So I'll clarify.
There's been a general conversation around this from various podcast networks and big companies.
And when I say something like, yes, but I just called Candace Owens a cont.
And they'd be like, well, you can't do that.
You can't say that.
That's a bridge too far.
You're going to lose sponsors, those advertisers.
And I was like, I don't want to do it then.
Like, maybe sometimes I just feel like saying it.
I don't got a script.
And then I slam the table.
You know, I think your audience is a little out of hand, I guess.
elad eliahu
That you don't compromise your authenticity.
gary grinberg
Once you get a couple M's, you start, you know, M's.
Once you get a couple millions, about eight figures, nine figures, you start getting a little bit more.
No one's going to tell me what the fuck to say.
tim pool
But that's the story of my life.
I mean, that's how I'm here.
Otherwise, I'd just be working for ABC News.
I worked at ABC News.
I left.
They were like, hey, Tim, here's the message.
I was like, nah.
I sat down with the president of Fusion and he said, I've told a story a million times, but it's like, it was something to the effect of, I said something like, if there is a story that would offend our audience, are you saying we will not cover it?
And he says, yeah, I think that's fair.
Yeah.
gary grinberg
That's carpet.
tim pool
That was, that was, that was the ABC News Univision joint venture.
And then I was like, nah.
And then they said, okay, contract is up.
And they were like, thank you and have a nice day.
They actually sent me 40 grand.
I love this story.
So I was beefing with them.
And it wasn't like that I was screaming in their faces or anything like that.
I was saying like, hey, guys, do you see how you made this like trans kids thing?
One of the first videos they did.
It got a bunch of views.
And I was like, that's kind of weird.
You want to know what gets tons of views?
This other thing.
And then we did this campaign for them where we took an existing piece of content they already had.
It was called Open Mic Massacre, where it mocked political correctness.
And I said, we're going to boost this on social media.
We're going to share it.
That's literally all we're going to do.
We're going to share it on social media.
We're going to post it in forums.
And we're going to be like, guys, check this out.
It's really great.
And we did.
And it got half a million views and they gained 2,000 subs overnight.
And then the political ideologu got really mad.
And they were like, Tim Poole's a white supremacist or something like that.
And then I was like, because I took content you made and promoted it, well, you know, it opposed political correctness.
And then they regretted doing it.
It was really funny.
And so I'm not playing ball.
They had a black and brown forum is what it's called, where they had presidential candidates come and they were going to have their top talent, you know, and interview these presidential candidates.
I'm one of their senior correspondents, highly paid, well-respected.
And they contracted a black man from New York instead of me.
Now, I don't know who this guy is, but I mean, he's a great talent.
I don't want to ran his parade or anything.
Seems like a nice guy.
However, they had their top talent and then one guy they contracted.
So I went to the president and I was like, I was like, you know, I'm not trying to be a dick and like, you know, cause any issues or anything, but why did you guys bring in a contractor instead of having me?
I'm one of your senior correspondents.
And they said, well, you look too white.
And then I was like, I'm second generation.
That's what they actually said?
Yes.
And I said, I'm second generation mixed race.
And he goes, come on, man.
And then I was like, whatever, bro.
So we were beefing quite a bit.
And then I remember I got a phone call.
I got an email and they were like, Tim, we need to talk with you.
And this was, I was like, I think it was, what was it, a two-year contract?
They wanted a three-year one.
It's a two-year contract.
And I should have done a three-year because then they would have paid me out.
When they went defunct, I would have got a lot more money.
So it was like a year and a quarter, maybe a year and a half.
I get this email.
And so I get a phone call thinking, like, oh, they're going to ask to close out my contract.
unidentified
I bet.
tim pool
I swear.
And this guy calls me and he's just like, so I know that there's been issues and we've been trying to work through them.
And I respect your position on these things.
And I'm thinking, here we go.
Here we go.
And he goes, So I just wanted to let you know that things have been going pretty good and we have a bonus for you.
It's $40,000.
You'll see it in your bank account probably in a couple of days.
We don't want you to be alarmed.
So thank you for the hard work.
And I was like, what?
Okay.
And a bonus.
The company wasn't even making money.
And then sure enough, I told him about 40, it was like after taxes, like 27 or something.
I'm like, they just gave me 20 grand.
I think that was them being like, come on, Tim, the money's good.
And then, you know, I didn't do anything.
So come August, they were just like, I got the phone call again, and they're like, we're calling to let you know that we will not be renewing your contract.
We appreciate everything.
Thank you, Nevin.
I stay.
And I says, likewise, Claire.
gary grinberg
After they gave you a bonus, they let you go.
tim pool
Like four months later or something.
gary grinberg
Change your management?
tim pool
No, I think the money was fall in line and it'll be good.
And when they gave me the money and I still didn't, I was like, I'm not doing it.
I'm not making the weird woke garbage.
Like, one of the things I talked about at that company is when the Ghost in the Shell movie came out, they were having an editorial meeting and they were like, This is whitewashing.
They're having Scarlett Johansson play a Japanese woman.
That's racist.
And I said, Yeah, maybe it is weird to choose Scarlet Johansen.
However, I'm a big Ghost in the Shell fan.
And one of the themes of the show is how you can change your body, like prosthetic bodies.
So it's not really the message in a negative sense.
It's more of like a you can be any person you want.
In fact, in Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex, the major is actually asked, why do you prefer female model bodies?
And they were like, We're going to go with the racism on this one.
And I was like, Okay, I was like, Whatever.
They just wanted to find racism everywhere, you know?
So here we are, I guess.
I genuinely believe that the right coalition is outside of the machine in the Unit Party.
I think the neoliberal, the liberal economic order, the machine state, all of that stuff is still the corporate press.
I think for a while it looked really good for Trump and his administration, but now it's starting to shift with the death of Charlie Kirk.
The most effective political assassination probably of our lifetimes, maybe in our history.
The left has faced no serious repercussions.
The many on the right are now rallying against the victims of the assassination.
Could there be a better outcome for the left?
Now, you could make the argument the left didn't kill Charlie Ware.
They celebrated his death.
AOC went on the House floor and said he was a bad person.
No one should celebrate.
And instead of saying, guys, we have a political violence problem and it's coming from the left, the conversation on the right, half of it at least, is Turning Point is the murderer.
Like, what?
They're the victims.
Their organization is the victim in this.
So I like what's going on, and it screams op that so many people are coming out and claiming that Turning Point are the perpetrators of the crime against themselves.
Well, if your goal was to destroy the right coalition, you'd take out Charlie Kirk and you'd destroy his organization.
So I look at it like this.
I don't care about the intent.
That's a meaningless question.
I can't read minds.
The question is, what is the outcome?
So you can complain that someone intends to do something and call them evil.
Fine.
That was always allowed too.
But if we're talking about building a future and winning midterm elections and winning presidential elections and making this country better and securing our border and fixing our grocery price problem, which Trump has not been good on, if we're going to do all of that, we need to have a we need we need to discuss what will the outcome be if this action is taken.
And the assassination of Charlie Kirk has destroyed the right coalition.
And the actions of Candace Owens, Ian Carroll, and others is now destroying what's left of what Charlie built.
They're erasing what Charlie built that helped win Donald Trump elections.
Really?
I don't care about what they claim.
I don't care about what Candace says her motivation is.
I can't read minds.
I can only look at the work her, people like Ian Carroll, these other smaller podcasters do and say the only outcome of their action will be to destroy Turning Point, which helps Donald Trump and the Republicans win.
The outcome will then be Democrats winning the midterms.
And what did Candace say?
Do you remember what you said about this?
Quote, we don't care about your midterms.
Agreed.
So when the Democrats win and they start locking up more lawyers and media personalities, and like Steve Bannon said, he'll be going to prison, then we can say, thank you, Candace Owens, for helping the Democrats win.
And if you're a Democrat, you'll say yes.
I mean, look at the, you know, I recommend you guys go to the comment section of the Young Turks.
Their audience is, the audience is indistinguishable.
Yeah, they're all big Candace fans.
elad eliahu
And Marjorie Taylor Greene fans, though.
gary grinberg
I mean, we live in an era where the far left and the far right agree on one thing, their hate for Israel.
I mean, that's the era we live in right now.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I don't want to make this, but many times a lot of Candace's beef seems like a proxy for Israel.
And I can't help but feel like her and Ben Shapiro had a falling out, and politics is deeply, deeply personal for 90% of the people involved.
And she's just going scorched earth as a result of that, as a result of the deal that fell through between them.
ian crossland
There is that phenomena where you want to help someone, but they don't want your help, but you try and give it to them anyway, and it ends up hurting them.
And I think that's what Candace is doing to Turning Point.
elad eliahu
I don't think she, it's impossible to say what's in her head, but it doesn't seem, her actions don't seem to show.
phil labonte
Why don't you expand on how would you figure this could be helping or how would you think that this is helping Turning Point?
ian crossland
Potentially, she thinks that there was more to the assassination and that she want because Turning Point can't do it, they can't say anything about it because they're kind of in it.
tim pool
Is that why she said people should pull their donations from Turning Point?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Will that help them?
No.
That won't help them?
Oh, that's a strange thing to do if you're trying to help Turning Point.
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe she started off with some inkling of I want to help these people.
She said, if Erica asked me to stop, I'm going to stop.
tim pool
And apparently.
elad eliahu
Now what she's saying about Erica is crazy.
She just had an episode titled, It Was Erica Who Called for TPUSA to Uninvite Me.
ian crossland
If Erica asks her to stop, Erica's going to look like she's trying to cover it.
elad eliahu
If Erica asks her to stop, she'll just blame the, she'll say someone's controlling Erica.
ian crossland
That's what I said.
Yeah, it'll look like Erica's trying to cover it up if she asks Candace to stop.
elad eliahu
So she can't tell her to stop.
So she's stuck.
unidentified
She's not.
tim pool
I don't think it's kind of at all.
I think Erica absolutely should reach out to Candace.
It may be too late at this point.
phil labonte
Ian, I think we can put that theory to bed.
unidentified
I don't think that she's actually trying to help anyone.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Just like no one knows her intention about her.
elad eliahu
I think one of the most unfortunate things about this is that there's a ton of things, but one of the things that comes to mind is that, like, the part of this new media and independent media, the promise of the independent media was that we were going to cover stories unbiasedly and we were going to do it with the conviction.
And then we're going to get to the bottom of stories that the mainstream media didn't want to do.
But what I see more often than not coming out of independent media is just like unconfirmed rumor and hearsay.
tim pool
Well, more so.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like in recent history, it's a lot of just, I love, man, you go, I gotta, I gotta shout out Nick Fuentes of all people.
He had such a great, it was like an eight-minute video went viral where he was talking about what's currently going on.
And he was like, Ian Carroll, he's like, Ian Carroll tweeted at Charlie Kirk on September 7th, you work for the Jews that are destroying America.
Four days later, he said he was sure that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
What happened in those four days, Ian?
And I was like, that's a great point.
What happened in those four days?
elad eliahu
There was another line.
tim pool
Maybe Ian got the call.
elad eliahu
There's another line where he goes in regards to Candace Owens, where he was just saying about Charlie Kirk, like the most pro-Israel guy, right, Candace Owens?
Like, Israel allegedly killed him.
This is the literal most pro-Israel guy that the right wing currently had to offer, especially given his age.
He was supposed to bridge the divide between Gen Z, you know, not being the most pro-Israel generation.
And then they kill, would allegedly kill Charlie Kirk.
Like, I can't imagine a dumber person for Israel to go after.
But Nick's making, she's making Nick look moderate, Candace Owens.
tim pool
Maybe is that fascinating thing?
Is that it's like the dark night thing where she's she's playing the villain because Fuentes who's taking the fall for it.
ian crossland
You know, you mentioned independent media.
There's a big difference between an independent journalist and an independent guy that talks about his feelings.
And like, it's a sometimes you'll do 10 hours of research and post your thing and it'll get no money.
And then the next day you'll post your emotions about something you read and it'll get 10 times the income.
You're like, why am I spending eight hours actually researching when I can make 50 times the amount of money just spouting my shit?
tim pool
Because it's actually this simple.
We talked about this a couple weeks ago the reading level, reading comprehension of the American population is around like seventh grade.
And that means if you're using obscure words, the average person can't understand what you're saying.
If your show, you know what?
I actually think about how we started this show.
We had the, I've had this little stream deck, we had a soundboard, and I could press a button and Greta Tuneberg would go, how dare you?
unidentified
How dare you?
How dare you?
tim pool
And then I had Eric Swalwell go, cheat, an election, cheat, an election.
And Adam Warhulkhands.
And it was very much like it was news, but it was goofy.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Because we were originally intending the show to be a goof-off session.
Like the first few episodes were about like Skinwalker Ranch UFOs and just whatever.
And then I guess because of COVID, things started to turn more political in every facet.
So the conversation went around what are we doing in government because of the lockdowns and things like that.
Everyone was interested.
And so those are the subjects that we started pulling up.
But it was literally just, you know, like a soundboard with goofy noises.
ian crossland
And it was basically what we were doing after dinner, like hanging out playing cards, but with the camera on.
tim pool
Exactly.
We'd sit down and then we'd just goof off and then we'd go play magic or something.
And then the show started to become a bit more serious as we got into politics, got bigger guests.
The table got bigger.
And then the show became very serious.
unidentified
And sounds like a natural transition to me.
tim pool
You know what's interesting is it could have been the COVID lockdowns.
Everybody was watching podcasts.
It could have been that the format we had of Hulk hands and soundboards is a lot more fun.
I kind of think that it is.
But it wasn't really what I did, you know, or what I do.
The point ultimately is, Ian, if you make your show for a third grade reading level, you will get way more viewers.
In fact, I think this is true of music.
Phil, have you read this?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
The songs that have a third grade reading level, like all the biggest songs tend to have like a third grade reading level.
phil labonte
Our guitar player, Mike, is notorious for someone shows him a riff.
It used to be Ollie would show him a riff very technically.
Mike would just be like, well, yeah, but you should play it the dumb way.
Play it the dumb way.
Let kids bob their head.
ian crossland
And if you're going to sing a complicated word, sing the syllables so it's just a bunch of sounds that people can understand.
Hey, you, you know, whatever.
Hey, you.
tim pool
So this is why like a lot of the top songs' lyrics are lowest common denominator.
More people.
Smart people don't mind a song that's just like drum and bass.
You know what I mean?
But if you make a song that's intentionally smart with like crazy lyrics, you're going to get very few people.
ian crossland
I always thought this show is pretty highbrow for like a podcast.
tim pool
Except when I crash out and start screaming and slamming on the table, perhaps exactly.
gary grinberg
I thought you just clips.
elad eliahu
Those are my favorite episodes.
ian crossland
We'll pull up like the darkest liberal economic order, BRICS, Alliance, geopolitical nightmare scenarios and have pretty intelligent conversations about it generally.
And it does bring people up, but it doesn't discount what you're saying about least common denominator slop.
tim pool
So this is where we announce that going forward after this year, we're bringing the soundboard back.
We're going to play more clips of Eric Swallwell farting and the how dare you because even though it's like 10 years old at this point, it's still funny.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's going to be more reminiscent of like the early morning drive time.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
With the wacky funny noises, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And we'll get one of those, one of those things where you spin and it clicks like a cowbell.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
Bring some music back.
We used to play music on Fridays.
That was fun.
Friday night after the show at 9.30, we'd go to music session instead of super chats.
What a light-hearted event that was, man.
There's still recordings of it on YouTube.
You can look them up.
phil labonte
Sure, they are.
tim pool
Well, I mean, we could, we, we, we, we, like, the only reason we haven't done musical guests is because no one's done musical guests.
gary grinberg
We live in a nation where most people don't even know what the petrodower system is.
So, I mean, come on, bro.
ian crossland
Or the Federal Reserve.
gary grinberg
I mean, come on.
ian crossland
I thought about what you would be doing if you were alone.
tim pool
Last few days, I've been like, and how to make a Magic the Gathering channel where I open booster packs.
ian crossland
But, like, it's, it's fun.
To me, now when you're like this, to talk about.
tim pool
Man, he wants to start a channel.
I don't want to give away the name because he likes the name so much.
I don't want to say it, someone will steal it.
ian crossland
Very good.
But, like, geopolitical, it's kind of fun to know what's going on in the world.
Maybe fun's the wrong word, but it's important.
And I think a lot, millions of people identify with that.
Like, if we were just goofing off all the time, the real important, because there's a difference between being famous and being powerful.
But famous is how many people know who you are.
Powerful is how many people are listening to you.
gary grinberg
Most of the powerful people don't, people don't know who they are.
That's the difference.
ian crossland
But Ian and it ripples out to the people.
tim pool
If we change the format to just doing fart jokes, the deep state won't want to kill me anymore.
ian crossland
It is a great subversive tactic.
tim pool
To just talk about fart jokes and then plan like the next 30 years of Taylor Swift news all the time.
A Blake Lively scandal still going on.
We could talk about that.
phil labonte
Is that still going on?
tim pool
Yeah.
I saw something on Instagram.
phil labonte
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
tim pool
Did you guys hear about that show they launched this year called Dying for Sex?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
What is it?
tim pool
It makes me terrified of women.
Just hide from them.
There's a clip for you.
gary grinberg
You're hardly the only one, brother.
tim pool
It's a show about a woman who finds out she's got terminal cancer, so she leaves her husband to go have sex with 200 men.
gary grinberg
Oh, that's real.
I saw that.
Yeah, I saw that.
That's disgusting.
My God, man.
elad eliahu
Did she do it before she died?
unidentified
Yes.
elad eliahu
Oh, she did.
tim pool
She went around just banging a bunch of dudes, I guess.
I don't know.
And I'm just like, man, that poor guy.
Could you imagine like your wife is like, I'm going to die, so I'm going to leave you to go begin with me like that's the worst thing I've ever heard.
gary grinberg
And by the way, your dying wish to get fucked by the state of society right now where a woman who has a few months left to live doesn't want to spend it with her husband, doesn't want to spend it with her family.
She just wants to whore around.
It's disgusting.
phil labonte
Feminism is cancer.
elad eliahu
Probably spoke to what she always wanted to do.
ian crossland
Like, drama crap is another poison pill.
Like, talking about what they're talking about is like, God, can't we just make something new that other people start talking about?
elad eliahu
To be fair, I don't think that most women would be interested in something like that.
Is that a crazy thought?
gary grinberg
I'm from Miami, so you know.
elad eliahu
You know what, bitches they're different.
gary grinberg
Yeah, guys.
They definitely are.
tim pool
Think about the kind of shows that women watch that you can see the data on.
It's not the function of government.
This is really, really funny.
Like, feminism is the stupidest thing ever.
Yeah, there's a clip for you.
All the feminists are going to get mad.
It's just so stupid because you look at media, the media landscape, and shows like this are 80% guys.
Like our audience is literally, it's like 80%.
It's like 78% men and like 21-point-something women.
And then unknown is like a tiny number.
You go and look at the shows that women watch, and it's murder.
That's freaky.
Stories about women leaving their husbands to go bang a bunch of dudes.
Married to strangers.
You guys ever see those shows?
Married, love at first sight or whatever they're called.
And it's like drama, dating, relationships.
There's a funny joke.
This comedian, I forget his name, so forgive me for not giving you credit, but it's a really great joke.
And he said that he had some buddies that he hadn't seen in a long time.
They were in town, and they were going to go hang out, play around a golf.
And he comes, I guess he was saying, like, yeah, you know, like, you know, Jim got divorced or something, and we haven't seen him in a long time.
He comes back, and his wife was like, so how was it?
He was like, oh, it was great.
She's like, well, how's Jim doing?
And he's like, okay, I guess.
And then she's like, okay, but like, what about his divorce?
And he's like, I don't know.
And she's like, you guys didn't talk about it.
And he goes, didn't come up.
She's like, what are you doing?
How are you?
So to women, it's like the guys go and hang out and literally don't talk about relationships.
ian crossland
Dude, I went and hang out with my buddy, Bryce, shout out.
And then we were supposed to play Fallout for like two days straight.
And then I went home and my mom was like, so what's he, where's he working nowadays?
tim pool
I'm like, I have no idea.
ian crossland
Is he in a relationship?
I don't think so.
I don't doubt it.
gary grinberg
The interesting thing is, like, when I was growing up, there was pretty much no real big female voices because there was no internet back then.
At least at this point, there was only radio.
And the reason women are so big now and they weren't on a radio is because they're using their looks.
When it came to radio, they couldn't use their looks to exploit anything.
So if you want to eliminate women off the internet when it comes to their influence, all you got to do is eliminate filters.
phil labonte
But that doesn't.
gary grinberg
You get rid of filters.
phil labonte
That doesn't explain Oprah Winfrey, and she was like the first real gigantic name amongst women.
gary grinberg
Yeah, they wanted to make a black woman famous back then.
tim pool
We're relaunching the show and we're going to talk about just relationships.
And so we'll just spend every day talking about Ian's adventures and dating.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm the single guy who needs to find a wife.
Everybody helps me.
tim pool
And then what will happen is we might lose our male audience, but we'll get a massive female audience.
unidentified
You want to meet women's money outside of it.
gary grinberg
So it doesn't matter.
It's like irrelevant.
phil labonte
Go to public places, meet people, talk to people.
You have to do that kind of stuff.
Sitting at home doesn't help.
tim pool
I feel like Shane has been quiet.
And I'm curious your thoughts on not just to say like, hey, everything that's going on we're talking about, but just like where we're going.
shane cashman
I just feel compelled to say, rejoice in the Lord always.
Again, I will say rejoice.
Let your gentleness be known to all men.
The Lord is at hand.
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving.
Let your requests be made known to God in the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding.
And we'll guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
ian crossland
I asked Raymond G. Stanley last night, what's the best future?
And he said, Christ.
Pray.
That was his response.
Is Christ in the healing future?
You pray.
It's like you pray and then you meditate, and that stillness allows God to rebalance to form with your prayer.
shane cashman
You need to pray every day.
All day, every day.
gary grinberg
I think personally, and again, I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I think anyone who thinks they have a relationship with God has an extremely huge ego.
I think we're all specs of Sanda, the real prime creator.
And the only time he's going to deal with us is when we pass on to the next lifetime, then he judges us.
We all will be judged.
I don't see any point of the worship or any of this other things.
shane cashman
I will say then, submit yourselves therefore to God.
Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:7.
gary grinberg
I mean, listen, I'm not.
shane cashman
I will say then, and give no opportunity to the devil.
Ephesians 4:27.
gary grinberg
Oh, I mean, listen, you can read a book that's 2,000 years ago.
shane cashman
I will say, whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, and for the devil has been sinning from the beginning.
The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3.
gary grinberg
Brother, for 2,000 years, people thought Jesus was coming back and he still isn't there.
So, what does that make all those people who died waiting for him?
shane cashman
I will say, Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you.
unidentified
Behold the pale horse.
tim pool
Was there a date given for when that was going to happen?
gary grinberg
I mean, they keep saying he's coming back.
So, I mean, like, we've had billions of people.
tim pool
I thought that wasn't until like the red heifer thing happened.
ian crossland
I think it's the internet that's going to make it happen, and it's going to be the Christ-likeness to what Jesus is, the people embodying Christ.
gary grinberg
I think it's going to be Project Bluebeam.
That's what I think.
ian crossland
There's going to be a critical mass of people that embody Christ-like behavior, and then it's going to pulse out, and all these people are going to start acting like it.
phil labonte
I thought that there were only a few people or a small group of people that were going to be chosen and saved.
ian crossland
I think the story says there's one guy is going to appear, but I think it's when there's a critical mass of humans.
That's when you really see a change.
Because one guy can come and go.
phil labonte
Did you read that in the Bible?
ian crossland
No, man.
I just feel like it.
I just feel it, baby.
No, it's actually logical.
It would be impossible.
A flash in the pan, a guy comes, he gets super famous and then he dies.
He'll be made a martyr.
They'll use him to sell products.
tim pool
Who's the Antichrist?
ian crossland
Anyone can become that.
Anyone that acts sinful that is anti-Christ.
phil labonte
Not biblically.
ian crossland
But I mean, anybody with a lot of wealth that's super famous and loved that decides to become sinful then becomes the Antichrist.
tim pool
Do Jews have an Antichrist, Elod?
elad eliahu
I don't think so.
tim pool
No?
elad eliahu
No.
tim pool
When's the Messiah coming for you guys?
elad eliahu
We want Mashiach now, is what Jews say.
Our Messiah didn't come back yet.
tim pool
So, like, what's supposed to happen?
It's like the red heifer, right?
elad eliahu
I don't, I'd need to look into it.
tim pool
Oh, you don't even know.
phil labonte
You don't know.
He's only Jewish.
elad eliahu
Born in.
Blood in, blood out.
gary grinberg
The Antichrist is human behavior right now in 2025, where instead of moms and dads, you have baby mamas.
That's the Antichrist right there, the damn culture we're in right now.
tim pool
What does the numerology say about next year?
gary grinberg
Next year is 2026, the year of the horse, and people who are born in horse years are going to dominate.
Next year, I expect Myron Gaines to be one of the top guys next year.
tim pool
Really?
gary grinberg
100%.
tim pool
What does that mean, top guy?
Do you think he's going to be like, well, didn't Kamala Harris blame him for losing?
gary grinberg
That's going to be a big help right there.
tim pool
And it's the midterm.
So I wonder, this is going to be interesting.
They could be like playing off of what Kamala said, using him as a, oh, look what the right is.
But the reason why I don't think so is because he's black.
gary grinberg
Well, I mean, listen, we live in a day and age where that goes both ways.
Black people can actually say certain things that you can't.
You say some things Myron says, your prayer can get canceled.
He won't because he has a shield.
It goes both ways.
It goes both ways.
White people can say certain things.
Black people can say certain things.
And women can say anything they want with no accountability.
phil labonte
What are the things that white people can say that black people can't say?
gary grinberg
Daddy?
tim pool
Oh, that was dark.
ian crossland
That was dark.
Gary, you said it was the year of the horse next year?
gary grinberg
Yes.
ian crossland
What are other years of the horse in the last 50 years?
gary grinberg
2014, 2002, 1990.
So, for instance, some of the things I expect, I expect more deflation to come next year.
I expect Bitcoin to deflation, correct?
I expect deflation to come.
I expect oil prices to fall, and I do expect Bitcoin and a lot of cryptocurrencies to crash.
tim pool
Why is that?
gary grinberg
Because OPEC was founded in the rat year.
The enemy of the rat is the horse.
Next year is the horse year.
So, I expect oil prices to fall.
When it comes down to Bitcoin, this is the best example I can give.
Bitcoin was founded January 3rd, 2009.
That is a rat currency.
The worst year for Bitcoin was 2014, where it fell around 92%.
That was the year of the horse.
The horse year comes once every 12 years.
Next one's 2026.
Bye-bye, crypto.
phil labonte
When you say deflation, you're talking about deflation in the value of the dollar?
gary grinberg
Deflation in everything except food prices.
tim pool
So 2014?
gary grinberg
Yes, 2014 was deflationary.
phil labonte
When was the last time there was deflation?
Because deflation, yeah, I mean, deflation can lead to a deflationary spiral where nobody spends because the value of their dollar keeps going up.
gary grinberg
Yeah, I understand what deflation is, and I'm telling people that I think the property markets are going to go down.
The housing market's going to go down next year.
And I do expect the big crash for the stock market to be 2000.
phil labonte
Get that 87.
gary grinberg
Well, if people, listen, you have AI out here who's taking everyone's jobs.
These people have no more income in the streets.
What do you think is going to happen?
There's no more money in the streets.
phil labonte
But the term deflation means the value of the dollar goes up, right?
Inflation means the value of the dollar goes down.
gary grinberg
I expected the value of the dollar to go up, correct?
phil labonte
Really?
Okay.
ian crossland
But why food?
Why not food?
tim pool
So hold on.
This is interesting.
Bitcoin had a 77% drop in 2022.
gary grinberg
Go to 2000.
I call it that one too, but go to 2014.
That was the biggest percentage.
tim pool
85%.
gary grinberg
That was the biggest percentage.
So I'm right.
tim pool
Right, but it fell 85% and then it climbed even higher.
And then in 2022, it dropped 77%.
gary grinberg
So I'm expecting not Bitcoin to go down to 40, the 50,000, 30, 20,000, even below.
If you have your money in cryptocurrency, you're cooked next year.
tim pool
Oh, man.
What is we'll do a side bet?
elad eliahu
What is the basis of this?
Numerology.
gary grinberg
Numerology.
elad eliahu
And that's what you're talking about here when you're connecting.
gary grinberg
Yeah, well, numerology and Chinese astrology by far.
When I talk about numerology and Chinese astrology, you have to understand the way I look at the world.
I look at this as a virtual reality.
I look at this as a simulation.
And I look at numerology and astrology, the cheat coast.
I actually look at numerology as God code.
I believe that is the system that the Prime Creator gave us to be able to see somewhat into the future, be able to make good decisions, know when bad years are coming, know when good years are coming.
Because the name of the game is really timing.
Why did Napoleon become who he was?
Because of timing.
Why did Genghis Khan become who he was?
Because there's plenty of smart people in the world.
There's plenty of great leaders in the world.
Why would those guys where they were?
Because they did things at the right time.
Andrew Tate became world famous in 2022.
That's the year of the tiger.
Andrew Tate's born 1986, the year of the tiger.
There you go.
Mr. Beast.
tim pool
What animal was 2019?
gary grinberg
That was the year of the pig.
tim pool
The pig.
gary grinberg
The pig is the 12th sign.
You're a tiger, third sign.
One and two is three.
So natural friends.
I'm not saying that's your best friend, but usually pigs do and tigers do well together.
tim pool
So 2022 is supposed to be a big year?
gary grinberg
I mean, look at Tom Cruise.
He's born 1962, year of the tiger.
His hit movie, Top Gun, came 1986, the year of the tiger.
And then it came all the way back again in 2022, another tiger year.
So Tom Cruise's both his top gun movies came out in his own year.
I have energy at work.
elad eliahu
I don't mean to come off as facetious, but what makes you believe in numerology?
You found some of these coincidences.
gary grinberg
I mean, I always wanted to know why some people were good looking.
I found out people born in the 5th, 14th, 23rd are the good-looking ones, the models.
I always wanted to know why some people— Wait, so am I good-looking?
I'm good-looking.
unidentified
All right.
gary grinberg
I mean, I don't judge guys based on when I was born regarding the language.
Well, hold on.
Maybe you should ask Milo, like, you know, on Friday.
I don't do that stuff.
You know, I don't judge guys.
Okay.
elad eliahu
No, but you're saying you know people are handsome.
The guys are handsome.
gary grinberg
Let me just say this.
Let me say this.
I can prove some things.
Like, for instance, 28th's number of wealth.
Okay.
So Elon Musk. is born on the 28th.
Bill Gates is born on the 28th.
As a matter of fact, if you look up Carlos Salim, five of the richest 25 guys.
tim pool
Why is it that 28th at number 12?
gary grinberg
It's the number of wealth.
elad eliahu
I'm sure I could find a bunch of people who are.
unidentified
Yeah.
Hold on.
tim pool
Why?
elad eliahu
28th.
tim pool
Why?
gary grinberg
Because that's the energy that represents wealth.
tim pool
Why?
gary grinberg
Because.
So you're basically just looking at rich people and being like, no, So, for instance, let's look at what the Chinese did.
There's eight and there's 28.
Those are the two wealth numbers.
The Chinese started their Olympic Games on 8-8, 2008 at exactly 8.08 p.m.
They went from the 15th biggest economy in the world to the second in a few years.
So obviously you have people in positions of power who are using this stuff and other people are reading the Bible and the Quran.
unidentified
I think you're just trying to go over that number.
gary grinberg
Do you think they believe it's a coincidence?
unidentified
No.
gary grinberg
Okay, so the Chinese, President Chi, he's born in the year of the snake, 1953.
He came to power in 2013, the year of the snake.
Vladimir Putin, born in the year of the dragon, and he became president of Russia in 2000, the year of the dragon.
So when people go based off their energy.
I mean, you are a nine life path.
Nines are the most adaptive people in the world.
I'm sure you have adapted to many things.
tim pool
There's always an answer, isn't there?
gary grinberg
Always.
That's what I do.
I mean, obviously you have a comment for everything too.
elad eliahu
When did this happen?
When did you start booming?
gary grinberg
9-11.
elad eliahu
Okay.
gary grinberg
9-11.
So when I looked at 9-11.
tim pool
9-11 equals 20.
gary grinberg
I'll get there in a second.
When I looked at 9-11, I woke up and I'm like, damn, a whole bunch of people died.
I went out, smoked one for all the victims' families and stuff like that.
And I came inside and I saw a second plane hit, and I'm like, wait a second.
The Twin Towers look like an 11.
The first plane to hit the World Trade Center is Flight 11.
I mean, the police code for emergency is 9-11, started digging a little bit more.
New York City, 11 letters.
Afghanistan, 11 letters.
Shanksville, 11 letters.
The Pentagon, 11 letters.
I'm like, oh, what's going on?
The Pentagon, 11 letters.
So I started looking at all this.
I'm like, wait a second, what's going on here?
This is too much to be a coincidence.
And then I looked at Al-Qaeda.
Al-Qaeda was founded on the 11th.
The first that had three major terrorist attacks that Al Qaeda is known.
Because there's only 30 days.
They were founded on the 11th.
They hit Madrid, Spain on March 11th.
They hit Mumbai, India, on July 11th, and they hit America on 9-11th.
The chances of all those attacks happening on the 11th and Al-Qaeda being found in the 11th, we're talking about in the million.
tim pool
They would just be like, we're going to do it on the 11th because we like the number.
gary grinberg
No, they actually know something about numerology, and that's why they did uncertainty.
tim pool
I mean, for sure.
elad eliahu
But you said the Muslims, you said they don't believe in the number system, the Muslims.
gary grinberg
Move, the poorer ones don't.
elad eliahu
Okay.
According to the Quran, though, they don't.
gary grinberg
Oh, I mean, listen, they say divination is bad.
They say the same thing in the Bible.
Divination is bad, right?
Well, if divination is so bad, stop paying attention to the weather channel.
Okay?
Seriously, stop paying attention to the weather channel if divination is bad.
Here's the point.
I'm not God.
I'm nothing compared to God, including everyone in this room.
Agreed?
unidentified
Yeah.
gary grinberg
None of us are gods in here.
elad eliahu
Correct.
gary grinberg
So God knows everything when it comes down to what's going to happen when you're born.
You're going to die.
We'll never get to that level.
But we can use the numerology and astrology to help guide us on the right path.
elad eliahu
What does it have to do with the weather?
Like, we could predict the weather based on patterns of the world.
gary grinberg
But that's divination.
That's divination.
tim pool
How does astrology work?
Like, you've done a lot of numerology, but what's the astrology?
gary grinberg
Okay, well, there's basically 12 signs.
The first one is rat, and it's anime with a horse.
tim pool
Oh, you mean Chinese zodiac?
gary grinberg
That's what I focus on.
That one, because that's the most accurate to me.
I don't do the woman.
elad eliahu
He thinks astrology is gay.
tim pool
That's not astrology.
gary grinberg
That's Chinese zodiac.
Chinese zodiac.
I don't do the Libra Capricorn.
I think it has some relative value, but I leave that for the women.
When it comes down to the Chinese astrology, it's extremely accurate.
I'll give you an example.
Rat, the year of the rat, and the year of the horse are enemies.
Shaq was a rat.
Kobe was a horse.
They hated each other.
Little things like that go a long way in making people understand how this works.
Lehman Brothers.
Lehman Brothers was found in the horse year, collapsed in 2008, the year of the rat.
Again, enemy signs at work.
Next one: enemy sign, the goat and the ox.
So Hitler is the best example I can give people.
Hitler was born 1889, the year of the ox.
And when did he start losing World War II?
1943.
He lost Stalingrad.
He lost Kirst.
War was over.
And guess what?
That was his enemy year.
Now let's go to Saddam Hussein, another guy who's born in the year of the ox.
He's born 1937.
The year the goat is his enemy.
What happened?
First Gulf War in 1991.
Second Gulf War, 2003.
We took him out.
Again, both those were goat years.
So if you start looking at this stuff from a pattern recognition standpoint, you'll see certain consistencies there.
elad eliahu
I think if you look for certain trends that you can find the ones that you want to find with the examples that you want to find, given the rich history that we have on this planet, well, the thing about it is when you look at history, it will tell you if it's I'm not making this stuff up.
gary grinberg
I'm just looking at pattern recognition.
elad eliahu
I think if people want to find a pattern, they'll find a pattern.
You're motivated to find a pattern.
We're humans and you're going to find that pattern.
If you start with a conclusion, then you'll find your way to that conclusion.
gary grinberg
That's what you believe.
And I would say that you probably haven't looked into numerology and astrology long enough.
And if you're around me for about 24 hours, you'll start seeing it yourself.
So I will point it out.
tim pool
You named like Tom Cruise, Xi Jinping, people who were born in the year and then rose to power in those years?
gary grinberg
Correct.
tim pool
Here's Lady Gaga, Drake, Megan Fox, Usain Bolt, Lizzie Lohan are tigers, but they were all came to prominence in non-tiger years.
Lady Gaga in a dragon rat year, Drake in an ox and tiger year, Usain Bolt in a rat and ox year.
There's no match.
Then you have dragons, Rihanna, Adele, Emma Stone, Rupert Grint.
Rihanna and Adele exploded into pig, ox, tiger.
Dragon year was it was too early for a dragon year, and in 2012, they were already famous.
Of the monkeys, you've got Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, and Cardi B all became famous in pig and rooster years.
And then among rat years, you have Scarlett Johansen, Katie Perry, Mark Zuckerberg, LeBron James, and their breakthroughs were in sheep to tiger years.
gary grinberg
When was Facebook founded?
tim pool
2005?
gary grinberg
No.
No space was problematic.
Go ahead and look up.
I want to make sure I'm ready.
tim pool
Can you respond?
gary grinberg
Yeah, I can.
Facebook was founded in 2004.
tim pool
What is that?
gary grinberg
When did its stock have a major crash?
tim pool
When?
gary grinberg
2022.
And that was its enemy year.
So let's go through the list this year.
elad eliahu
Most stocks crashed.
Hold on.
tim pool
I just listed a bunch of celebrities that didn't rise to prominence in the same year as they were born, and you ignored the question.
gary grinberg
You ignored them.
I didn't ignore anything.
If you want me to go into single detail about everyone's life, pick one.
Let's go through the details.
tim pool
Lady Gaga.
gary grinberg
Okay, she's born March 28th, I believe.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
She was born in 1986.
gary grinberg
What year?
1986, year of the tiger.
tim pool
You're the tiger.
gary grinberg
Okay.
tim pool
And she became famous in the dragon year.
gary grinberg
Okay.
So again, the numerology does supersede the astrology, but the astrology does work.
phil labonte
She's born.
gary grinberg
I'll give you an example.
I'll give you an example of how this works.
phil labonte
86, March 28th, 86.
gary grinberg
I'll give you an example of how this works.
America is a monkey nation.
America's.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
America's founded 17.
America's founded 1776, the year of the monkey.
People who are tigers, they usually have a lot of issues with getting banned or, you know, being one of those guys who are on government watch list and things like that.
So let's go through four of the most banned people in the internet and you tell me if you agree.
Alex Jones, Andrew Tate, Nick Fuentes, Sneeko.
I would say, well, he's the smallest name there, but those all are tigers and they all got banned in a monkey nation.
What I'm basically trying to tell you is this stuff works if you look at it.
elad eliahu
Laura Lumer is extremely banned.
I don't know, was she born in the year of the...
gary grinberg
She is born in 1993, the year of the rooster.
And she doesn't play well with others.
So it is what it is.
ian crossland
I kind of subscribe to the magnetic universe theory.
A lot of scientists talk about Thunderbolts Project and that we are connected through some sort of force.
Weather planets and the position of the planet when the radiation is passing through it that causes a refraction through our planet and our bodies as our babies are coming out of the womb, no longer protected by the radiation protection of the mother's stomach, and they're exposed to this radiation for the first time, that it might have something to do with the numbers that we've derived from the position of things.
gary grinberg
No, I get it.
Listen, I like to talk about people who are up here so people can see this stuff with their own eyes.
Who basically started the podcast game?
elad eliahu
Joe Rogan.
gary grinberg
Joe Rogan.
ian crossland
Tim Curry.
gary grinberg
Joe Rogan is born.
tim pool
No, Tom Green.
elad eliahu
Tom Green isn't.
tim pool
Yeah, Tom Green did.
gary grinberg
Can we say that Alex Jones had a big part of it?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
It's fair to say Rogan.
elad eliahu
Tom Green really started it.
tim pool
Joe Rogan didn't get on Apple Podcasts until Apple Podcast was already made.
Tom Green started doing, it was Joe Rogan on Tom Green, right?
That was the big story.
And before him, it was Adam Watson.
Tim Curry, who coined the term podcast.
ian crossland
Yeah, well, it was an Apple thing because it was the iPod.
elad eliahu
Right.
tim pool
And it was, instead of having a song, you'd have an MP3 of a conversation on your iPod.
I know people could listen to shows by downloading the podcast.
gary grinberg
Alex Jones, born on the 11th, very charismatic guy.
Joe Rogan, born on the 11th.
Again, very charismatic guy.
Hulk Hogan, born on the 11th.
Hold on, let me finish.
Let me finish.
What you have to understand is people born on certain dates are going to have certain abilities.
And people who are born on the 11th have a hell of a lot of charisma.
And that's why Joe Rogan's number one because he's born on the 11th.
Candace Owens, I know you don't like her, but she's born on the 29th.
209 is 11.
That's where she gets that mouthpiece from.
It is what it is.
I'm telling you what it is.
So people with certain numbers are going to see that.
Aiden Ross, I don't think much of him, but he's born on the 11th.
And a lot of people give him a lot of credit for doing streaming.
elad eliahu
Are you pagan?
gary grinberg
No.
elad eliahu
Okay.
gary grinberg
I believe in a crime creator.
unidentified
What?
gary grinberg
A prime creator.
What you would call God.
elad eliahu
It's very supernatural and pagan.
gary grinberg
I mean, listen, again, I explain.
I believe this is basically a virtual reality.
And in this virtual reality, numerology and astrology is cheat coast.
I'll give you one more example, and you guys can tear me apart if you want to, but let's go.
tim pool
You've never answered to the celebrities I listed who weren't born in those years.
gary grinberg
I just said numerology supersedes astrology.
So if the answer isn't within astrology, you start to have to start looking at their numerology.
tim pool
That sounds like what you're saying is if it doesn't fit your explanation, you'll see.
gary grinberg
I'm sure that's what it sounds like.
But when you actually look into the information, you'll see that it's actually relevant.
I'll give you one more.
Apple.
Apple was founded by Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs was born 224 in 1955.
224-1955 adds up to 28.
He started Apple on 4-1-1976.
4-1-1976 adds up to 28.
He incorporated Apple on January 3rd, 1977.
1-3-1-9-7-7 adds up to 28.
So, what we have there is someone who is one of the top guys who was ever in tech field, was using numerology because he went to India, he learned it, and then he incorporated Apple and it became the richest cash-rich company in the world.
And by the way, Steve Cook's another 28 and he took over his job.
So, what I'm basically trying to tell you is this might sound like nonsense to you, just like the Bible and the Quran sounds like nonsense to me and a lot of people, but you have to understand, I am looking at this from a logical standpoint.
When you see something that keeps coming up over and over and over, at some point it has to stop being a coincidence.
serge du preez
But if I make like a prediction, are you able to look at that prediction and then say, oh, that's false because of this, and then come up with another way to change that specific thing?
You have to be able to be able to falsify someone using the system incorrectly, correct?
gary grinberg
Well, here's the thing.
serge du preez
I'm going to say you're not using the right system or not using the right way.
gary grinberg
I'll tell you how I grew up.
Let me just finish this.
In 2002, after 9-11, I started looking at all the numerology books.
I'm like, this is crap.
None of this stuff works.
And then I started talking to all the top numerologists in the field.
And I realized one thing about them.
They were all broke.
And I'm thinking if these guys were so good at what they did, why they broke.
Well, here's the thing.
I'm a multi-millionaire many times over.
And at the end of the day, people who are in the Saudi royal family, they come to me when they want to have a wedding.
They want to have the right day.
I talk to the very, very top of the food chain.
And that's why if you actually need security and you're willing to go down to Miami, I promise you, you'll be taken care of.
tim pool
Nah, not Miami.
ian crossland
You said when we met Gary about an hour and two hours ago, you were like right on about what my life has been like.
I wondered if you were just looking in my eyes and you could tell things about my feelings by looking at me.
tim pool
Yeah, it's called cult reading.
ian crossland
Is that part of numerology?
unidentified
No.
gary grinberg
But there are mentalists who can do it.
There are mentalists who can do it.
elad eliahu
You wear your personality on your face too, Ian.
You look like an Ian.
ian crossland
Life change.
I mean, a lot of people, there's this thing called the Saternal Return.
Saturn returns every 27 years.
gary grinberg
28 and a half years.
ian crossland
28 and a half is like the most profound year of your life for a lot of people.
Those three years define what the rest of your life is going to be like.
They've heard many times.
gary grinberg
There is a lot of truth to that.
elad eliahu
Shane, you sound awfully quiet over there.
As our resident outside of the box thinker, what do you think of numerology?
shane cashman
I think be sober-minded.
Be watchful.
Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.
1 Peter 589.
phil labonte
Shane has wrapped himself in the armor of the Lord tonight.
elad eliahu
That sounded nice.
phil labonte
That's legitimate.
I don't know which phrase or which passage it is, but is it?
gary grinberg
I mean, we have a whole bunch of people questioning numerology, but they are willing to believe the Bible and Quran with no evidence.
So it is.
elad eliahu
I think half of the people here wouldn't even consider themselves Christian.
Like, I don't, I don't think it's a good thing.
tim pool
When I was 28, I was working at Fusion, and that did not define my life.
That was like a wasted two years.
ian crossland
Oh, not really.
That was like the springboard to the next.
ABC.
That was ABC.
tim pool
Yeah, where I did nothing for two years.
There was no springboard, dude.
phil labonte
It's going to tell you about it.
ian crossland
I mean, you were sort of making shitloads of money in those years.
tim pool
No, I already made money.
ian crossland
You said you doubled two and a half times your salary in that age?
tim pool
I think going from like 100 and something to like 250 was a standard promotion, but it didn't define my life.
It didn't set me on a path.
ian crossland
I don't think it did.
tim pool
And actually, for two years, I did little.
And the only real argument was that I worked a job where I saved money.
ian crossland
I think the human brain gets developed at age 25.
So I think that's why a lot of people have profound transitions.
tim pool
My life doesn't fit any of these numbers.
gary grinberg
Well, I'll tell you what.
Anyone who thinks I'm a fraud, and I'm sure there's a whole bunch of them, I can put up $100,000.
We can go up to random people.
I'll be blindfolded.
And I'll do exactly what I did to you, read them like a book.
I only have to look at their face.
And if I'm wrong, I'll pay you guys.
If I'm right, pay me.
elad eliahu
Wait, so what is your control?
tim pool
Hold on, wrong about what?
gary grinberg
I mean, let's bring 100 random people, 50, whatever you want.
I'll be blindfolded, and I would just give them a reading based off their birthday.
tim pool
They say whatever I need a reading, like, what do you ask them?
gary grinberg
I'm not going to ask them anything except their birthday, and then it's going to go into their life, and they'll tell me if I'm right or wrong.
Like, I can't.
tim pool
What's your birthday?
elad eliahu
Do I tell you first?
Do you tell me?
gary grinberg
I don't, I'm not psychic, bro.
elad eliahu
Okay, so September 22nd.
You sound like it.
September 22nd, 93.
gary grinberg
September 22nd, 93.
You're an eight-life path, which means your money is either here or here.
It's never in the middle.
You're never going to be middle class.
Either you're going to go up or you're going to go down.
So what you have to understand is eight has two circles around it.
The middle represents middle class.
That's why it's very thin.
So you're either going to be poor or rich, never in the middle.
You're also very karmic.
You do bad things.
They come right back to you very, very quickly.
You have an aggressive personality.
2023, you probably had some setbacks in life.
You should have had a good year this year.
But one of your main things in life is you're good at building up other people.
That is one of your main gifts.
elad eliahu
I think you've just been describing the person you've seen in front of you during the day.
gary grinberg
Well, you could think that, but you could put a blindfold in front of me and I'd say the same goddamn thing without seeing you without ever talking to you.
unidentified
You do build me up.
ian crossland
You say how young I look a lot.
tim pool
A lot.
I hear a voice.
There's someone talking to me.
They care deeply about you.
gary grinberg
I didn't do that.
tim pool
They're telling me, tell a lot not to worry about the money.
Does that mean anything to you, a lot?
Are you worried about money?
elad eliahu
I am worried about money.
unidentified
Wow.
elad eliahu
That sounds right.
gary grinberg
I wasn't doing that.
phil labonte
I actually thought.
I thought the voice was telling you to go to super chats.
tim pool
I love the, I love reading horoscopes because it's like they describe everyone all the time.
They're so vague.
ian crossland
Like 12 different aspects.
elad eliahu
I'm just glad it was.
You had a setback fire.
tim pool
I had a setback literally every single year.
elad eliahu
Always.
gary grinberg
And more than others, brother.
tim pool
I think every single year is a setback.
ian crossland
It's like premature to say it's fake, because there's no.
What you're doing could very well be cracking the code of like, Cymatic reality.
tim pool
Cymatic, it doesn't.
ian crossland
There's a frequency that can be measured with numbers that are producing shape of reality.
tim pool
All right well, we're gonna go to your rumble rants in super chats.
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If you do like what we do and appreciate our work, maybe the penthouse idea is a good idea.
I actually like that idea because it sounds comfortable.
And no, it's a good point about security.
You're on top of building.
They ain't coming for you, right?
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tim pool
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It's going to enter your body.
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unidentified
Okay.
All right.
tim pool
Cheeseburger says, hire black trans security guards.
Left-wing terrorists won't dare antagonize them.
All right.
Black Guitar says, I think the first live stream I ever saw was Tim running around Ferguson with Alice Sperry.
Always a pleasure being a part of your audience.
It's all different iterations.
Trust your gut.
Thank you, sir.
Silent Golfer says, never give in, never give in, never, never, never.
Never in nothing, great or small, large or petty, never going to give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force.
Churchill.
Indeed.
Same old man says, I, a conservative, have already called her out several times over before you said something.
I am just not famous.
Sorry for what happened to you, Tim.
And that's why I'm saying I'm not the first person to be critical of Candace Owens.
Certainly not.
But I guess I am the subject of her episode today.
So there you go.
gary grinberg
Would you ever go one-on-one with her?
unidentified
Sure.
Okay.
tim pool
She's like on her show.
Have a conversation with her about stuff.
gary grinberg
So you do a podcast with her?
tim pool
Yeah, she's been on the show before.
gary grinberg
Not in the current like.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
The issue is, you see what she did with Turning Point, where she was like, name the time and place, and I'll be there.
And they went, okay, the 15th at noon.
I can't be there.
They did that on purpose so that they knew I wouldn't come.
And it's like, what?
Like, Nick Fuentes.
I learned this from a Nick Fuentes clip of all places, where he's like, she said, name the time and place, and I'll be there.
And then when they did, she was like, you never consulted with me.
I can't do that.
And it's like, what?
gary grinberg
I'd be more than happy to try to set it up if you like me too.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, we'll see how it goes.
I'll talk to my booking people.
And then I guess the question is, what's is the conversation literally just this with her in person?
gary grinberg
I mean, I think you find out when you get in the room together, but I do know this.
It'll probably be one of the most viral podcasts of 2025.
tim pool
Not that you care, but no, I just think it's crazy that, you know, the one clip she posted that was a fake clip was Elad saying, you said something like, I think she respects your show and she'll comment on it.
I was like, no, like, she's, her show's always been bigger than mine.
I don't know, whatever.
But fair point.
I got millions of followers on X, so certainly that's going to matter.
But yeah, whatever.
I mean, I'll have a conversation with anybody.
I just, I think that she is a sophist and a manipulator, and she's doing a true crime drama show.
So it's just like, I can't say no to that, but I kind of roll my eyes like, oh, you know, more drama, more true crime, more, more nonsense.
gary grinberg
At the end of the day, the people decided that you're one of the top guys in the field and she is too.
ian crossland
So maybe it'll be good training to handle like an eight-year-old daughter.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
You just learn to gently have a conversation with a female that you've got some agitation with, and then, you know, you'll help your kids with that when they freak out when they're eight and they drop their fork on the ground and you'll be like, I know how to talk to you.
tim pool
I like how her own lawyers work in a federal building and none of her audience questioned it.
phil labonte
No, they're fine with it.
tim pool
She says a bunch of fake things.
Like she's saying today on her show that I think I own my audience.
You know what's really weird?
You notice how she refers to herself in the plural?
She says we and us for everything.
She never says I. Like that, like, come on.
You know, she tweets at me and she's like, tell us, Tim.
And I'm like, us?
Who's us?
And on her show, saying, we don't, blah, blah, blah, and we don't do that.
We don't care about your midterms.
I'm like, who's we?
But I guess there's a lot of people who really like that.
They feel like they're a part of something when she refers to her and them as one group.
ian crossland
It's risky.
shane cashman
I got one more thing to add before I go.
Just want to say, humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, so that at the proper time he may exalt you.
And I'm praying for you.
gary grinberg
Please don't pray because when you pray, you become pray.
ian crossland
Thank you.
shane cashman
Despite that, I will pray for you, sir.
Thank you very much.
gary grinberg
I'll see you all later.
I do not accept your prayers, but thank you.
ian crossland
That's Shane Cashman heading to Tales from the Inverted World at 10 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, coming up right after this show.
gary grinberg
I get so much pushback with the numerology and astrology, but it doesn't seem like anyone wants to push back on a religion.
elad eliahu
You don't understand how that works.
You don't sound half as ridiculous as he is.
tim pool
Well, but here's the thing: like, I'm not a Christian, and we've had tons of debates with Christians, and there's no reason for me to debate Christianity, which we've done 1,700 times.
Oh, I did never had a numerologist on.
gary grinberg
Oh, 100%.
But what I'm basically trying to tell you is, I can prove more with numbers based off mathematics than anyone can with religion.
elad eliahu
I think they do totally different things, though.
gary grinberg
I don't, yeah, one's real, one's fake.
I think 100%.
elad eliahu
It's like a moral basis.
People get their moral basis from religion off the time.
I don't.
And I don't think you can get a moral basis from numerology unless I'm missing something.
gary grinberg
Well, I mean, listen, numerology supports the family unit.
One is male energy.
Two is female energy.
Three is kid energy, childlike energy.
One plus two plus three equals six.
Six is the number of families.
tim pool
Oh, he's still there.
gary grinberg
Yo, he's there.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
Elad.
Did you ever hear about that?
Like, what's that thing where like Jews use numbers that are worthy of it?
ian crossland
Oh, that's the cymatics I'm talking about.
tim pool
What's that about, Elad?
elad eliahu
I'm surprised you don't use Kabbalah instead of the Chinese stuff.
Chinese stuff seems a little bit gematria.
gary grinberg
I mean, it's all the same letterology.
elad eliahu
No, but I mean, I guess the difference for religion is like, for example, there's the Ten Commandments, and you're supposed to do that to abide by God's laws.
And they're real-life applications for those commandments as opposed to one is the father.
gary grinberg
I get you, I get you, but I'm sorry.
I don't need the Bible to tell me not to cheat on my wife.
I don't need a Quran to tell me I shouldn't steal or murder.
Okay.
I can figure that out out on my own.
phil labonte
I would.
elad eliahu
Why not?
gary grinberg
Because there's something called morality.
phil labonte
I would make it.
gary grinberg
My morality is based off being a Jewish man who married a Muslim woman who doesn't give a damn about any of this nonsense.
And I know my numbers are real because it's going to change.
Let me tell you how the world's going to.
Let me tell you how the world's going to end.
Okay.
phil labonte
In 2000.
Your morality is based on Christianity.
gary grinberg
No, my morality is based off having a wife.
If you were a husband and kids.
phil labonte
If you were raised.
tim pool
You have a wife and a husband.
phil labonte
If you were raised in Central America, like when the Aztecs were and you were in Saudi Arabia, you'd be a Muslim.
gary grinberg
Okay, what's the point?
phil labonte
The point that I well, let me finish and I'll go ahead and I'll get there.
If you were raised there and it was said it's okay and it's actually good to sacrifice people, you would think that it's good to sacrifice people.
No, you are a product of the society that you've grown up in.
gary grinberg
I'm a product of the society where in 2004, Muslims were being demonized and I married one.
I don't give a damn what society thinks.
phil labonte
I don't.
You can marry whoever you want.
And there were plenty of people that were saying that we should not demonize Muslims in 2004.
So it's not like you were the only guy that was saying that many.
But the idea that human beings create their own morality when their moral structure is entirely similar to Christianity or in some cases, Judaism.
It's not true.
We got to read more of these challenges.
gary grinberg
Can I finish one more thing?
I just want to say this.
I'm never going to be a Christian, but I do recognize that America is a Christian nation.
And because I'm an American, I will fight for Christian values.
I will give you guys that.
tim pool
Griff Alicia says, keep calling Candice an effing C-word.
I'm toning it down though.
And I will increase my Timcast membership for more of this.
Well, you know.
James of the Politics says Tim Caster almost at end if IRL stops and the leftists win.
What is the point of relocating?
It seems that said new location will be figured out.
Actually, a really great point, Penthouse.
If we relocate to a penthouse, then we don't like no one's going to be shooting up our studio.
elad eliahu
Dude, or office building.
gary grinberg
Well, there's different types of buildings.
You need one with a lot of security.
There's something called the Porsche Tower.
There's the Muse building and Sunny House.
elad eliahu
And throughout New York City, there are a lot of office buildings that are nuts.
There are a lot of billionaires and multi-millionaires in New York City that are under a ton of threat.
tim pool
I'm not going to wait around for Zoran Mandani to show up and take all my stuff from him.
No income tax in Florida.
Yeah.
gary grinberg
And people walk around with AKs too.
tim pool
Yeah, we're talking about the first week back after the holiday is going to be in Florida as we reassess how to handle the security issue because, you know, I'll just give a little bit more details, but I'm talking obviously with a Rumble crew, and we're like, how do we make this work?
Because it's not just me who's getting threats or, you know, shots fired at our studio.
Most conservatives just don't ever talk about this stuff because you're constantly told it'll make things worse.
And so there's been a lot going on behind the scenes.
There are prominent personalities privately talking about retiring early, quitting.
And it's getting crazy.
I don't think, let me put it like this for everybody.
You've heard the stories.
You've seen Charlie Kirk die.
Or be murdered, I should say.
And you've heard the stories about the political violence, things that have happened to people like Andy No, they tried to kill him.
Actually, now imagine, you know, where you are in your home that someone is aiming a weapon at you and your family.
Like, how do you feel?
What do you think?
It's one thing to be watching these shows and being like, man, things are getting crazy.
But for the people that are all in the line of fire privately behind the scenes, they're talking about getting out of the business straight up.
And you can see it.
I'm not going to call anybody out, but just notice, keep an eye out for studios that change even a little bit.
And that's usually indicative of they're in hiding.
They move.
Like a lot of these personalities are doing solo shows.
We don't do a solo show, so we have people coming and going all the time.
So we can't do it the way we're doing it now because it's just gotten so crazy.
So the conversation we're having is we need to have, yeah, office building.
I think a pet house is better because then you're on top of the building.
Whereas the office building itself can be targeted, the top of the building is much harder to target depending on the height of the building.
I don't know about $10 million, though, but it's worth it.
Well, maybe if someone else buys it and we use it, I don't know.
gary grinberg
I don't got $10 million per murder.
When are you going to be down in Miami?
tim pool
Never.
gary grinberg
Listen, brother.
We're going to come to Sonny House.
I don't know if you see a couple billionaires.
They'll help you out with this current security situation.
tim pool
I don't want to take any money from billions.
gary grinberg
You don't need to take any money from anyone.
They're just going to tell you about the security situation.
tim pool
Yeah.
gary grinberg
More than happy to do it.
elad eliahu
I hope this doesn't come across as the wrong way, but like, do you have any thought process about how these people are trying to terrorize you and are effective in doing it?
tim pool
The question is that the terror isn't even the most relevant thing.
The question is, what is the purpose of what we do?
What is the outcome and where will we end up?
And I'm looking at right-wing grifters shilling for big soda and snap benefits, praising India and other foreign countries for money, promoting foreign gambling sites.
This is the movement.
Then you've got the likes of Candace and her crack pottery.
And I'm just sitting here being like, it's one thing when there's a coalition leading a charge saying we will make this place better for the children to come.
It's another thing when it's a bunch of people hiding knives behind their backs, ready to just stab each other.
And I'm just like, I'm not sticking my neck out for y'all.
And I don't want to say that literally every single person on the right or disaffected liberals or moderates or whatever are backstabbing disloyal mutineers or anything like that.
But way too many are exposing themselves as solely being interested in being famous and making money.
And it's like, bro, go play video games.
Go play slot machines.
You'll get way more viewers and have way more fun.
Get out of the political space.
For the time being, when you look at these prominent personalities, and I love this, how Nick's pointing out that Ian Carroll said, Nick, we're all here.
Where are you?
And it's just like there is this large cord of people who are just saying insane things all the time, and it works.
You know, at least, you know, it's funny with QAnon, this energy went towards Trump must win.
And I think that's why Trump liked QAnon because he was asked to criticize it and he didn't really, he didn't really want to do it.
Because you have this network of people believing crazy conspiracies, but it was for getting Trump elected.
I'm not a fan of that kind of manipulation regardless.
But now it's to help Trump or help Democrats win and to make Trump lose.
So QAnon was never good, in my opinion, and it was weird.
And I think deceiving people for political power is always wrong.
And now we have people on the right more likely to engage in that.
And that is wrong.
And I don't want to be party, whatever that movement is.
I don't want to help these people.
gary grinberg
So you leave the space, the one guy who actually has to keep it in the middle of the day.
tim pool
I do my morning show.
I just don't do guests anymore.
We do the morning show the way I used to do it.
We can figure out what IRL can be.
It's a big channel, 2.6 million subs.
I mean, you don't just walk away and abandon everyone who's waiting to watch something, but we can't do it in this iteration.
So there are some options.
Going to a secure facility, office building, or penthouse or something like that.
That seems like a pretty good idea, actually.
So I appreciate that.
And we're having that meeting when we go down to Florida.
And we're going to be doing the show there for the week to figure out how do we do a show in a way where it alleviates these security issues.
The challenging thing is, someone did have a chat where they were like, and what happens when you leave the building?
And it's like, right.
But some of these buildings have secure loading docks where the vehicle pulls in the back, there's guards, you get in the car, and then the vehicle leaves.
So people still might know where your building is, but they can't shoot up to the top of the building and they can't get into the building where the car pulls in to pick you up.
So there are solutions.
And the crazy thing is, I don't even feel like I'm the biggest target, which is the crazy thing.
Certainly there are many people who are way more, you know, Trump himself.
You know what I mean?
gary grinberg
But the fact that service, you don't.
tim pool
Yeah, and they still shot him in the head, which is the scary thing about how we actually navigate this.
So let's grab.
We got a few minutes.
We got to grab some of these chats.
We got a lot of chats.
Doc Holiday says, yes, Tim, 100, 100, 100, 100.
Yeah, you know.
Feral Cody Campbell says, F.
Yeah, Tim, call this ish out.
It's time we stand up and rise against this hate.
They shall not effing win.
Doc Holiday, Tim, spinning facts.
Spitting facts.
He corrected himself and gave an extra $2 in order to do it.
unidentified
Thank you.
ian crossland
Nice job.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Mikhail Moby says, Tim, reported crimes are public record, such as shots fired.
We live in a world with AI and nerds.
You really shouldn't announce these events.
People can map the timing with public records.
They sure can.
And when someone figures out where we are and shoots fire shots anyway, the idea is kind of like we're past that line already.
So I do understand and I respect the point you're trying to make.
The issue is it would be weird if we were just like, this is the end of the show.
Thank you and have a nice day.
We're not going to say anything else.
It's another thing to be like, it's about time that people started explaining what was going on.
We were spotted 15 times.
And the only reason we can say that is because people watched it affect the show.
But when other security issues have happened, we've largely just not talked about it.
Crowder said that he wished he did because maybe Charlie would have taken security a lot more seriously had Crowder been saying what was going on, the attempts to murder him.
And, you know, maybe people would have thought they would have taken it more seriously.
Let's put it like that.
Right now, because the left cries about every single thing that happens to them, the general perception that is delivered to the American people is that the right are a bunch of Nazis that are terrorizing and killing the left and the left are a bunch of angels, when in fact it's the inverse.
And only recently has that changed.
So I think it's actually important that we tell people this is happening to us and it's difficult to proceed.
Let's grab, let's see.
We got some big, we're running out of time here.
I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, can we coexist with these people?
They not only executed, but celebrated what happened to Charlie.
It's mainstream, so their political leaders will need to cater to this bloodlust, which brings me back to my question.
Can we coexist with these people?
It's not just these people.
Right now, a large portion of the right wants to see Turning Point burn.
So you've got the left celebrating, but elements of the right and the left in agreement that Turning Point is the true perpetrator, which is the weird coalition between the Turning Point.
I'm sorry, the Candace Owens and the Young Turks audience, which I find very interesting.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
What do we have here?
What do we have here?
Let's see.
We've got about time for one more, and there's a big one that I wanted to find.
A lot of good ones.
You can tell when it's a super chat from an iPhone because it's $49.99.
And you can tell it's Android when it's straight numbers.
They do that on purpose so that they can track that stuff.
That's how Google does it.
There was a big one.
I can't find it.
We have a member here.
ian crossland
You'll find it.
tim pool
Sterling Wilson says, Serge's face as Ian is eating up numerology is priceless.
I'd be interested in reading a reading of my birthday, but not going to super chat that info.
Ha ha ha.
My friends.
gary grinberg
Couldn't afford me.
tim pool
It's time for the uncensored portion of the show, which seems, I guess, I don't know, redundant.
But head over to rumble.com slash Timcast IRL, where we will continue the conversation.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
And, well, it's been a wild ride.
We're going to have conversations about how we move forward, what we have to do, and how we have to do it, what this means for the show going forward.
Like I mentioned, we'll be in Florida.
So we're here this week.
Then next week we're in Vegas.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
We are going to have to take things very, very seriously this week because it's been crazy.
But anyway, Gary, did you want to shout anything out?
gary grinberg
Yeah.
I think the biggest problem in the world is feminism.
And the 19th Amendment caused more damage than COVID-19.
Until women's rights are taken away from being able to vote, nothing's ever going to change.
elad eliahu
Good evening, everybody.
Thank you guys for tuning in.
This was a fascinating episode.
And I'm a lot of Liyahu, White House correspondent here at Timcast.
ian crossland
Gary, you got a huge YouTube channel.
The Numbers Guy, is it, what is it, GG333?
gary grinberg
GG33 Academy.
ian crossland
GG33 Academy.
gary grinberg
I mean, I can't even use my real name, Gary the Numbers Guy, because I'll get suspended for a lot of stuff to happen in the COVID era.
ian crossland
Well, go check out the override the algorithm.
Check out Gary's channel because there's a lot more where this came from.
And from my perspective, yes, the culture war is alive.
And there is aspects of the world trying to take over the U.S. government and use the power.
But we can also build technologies like plumbing that help everybody.
Things like plumbing.
We can do this with our roads.
We can fix our roads.
This will reduce roads.
unidentified
A ROED?
ian crossland
A ROET?
What is that?
Put Gary in the asphalt.
The consistency and durability of the roads up to 50%.
So roads can last twice as long.
It reduces strain on the economy.
Little things that we can do to reduce the pressure of the world and society will help alleviate whatever this cultural clash is.
That will also work.
So focus on things you love that can help lots of people.
elad eliahu
I don't know if that's stopping Crackhead Candace, but I sure hope so.
ian crossland
One step out of time, baby.
tim pool
All right, anyway, Phil.
phil labonte
I am Phil that remains on Twix.
The band is all that remains.
You can check out a couple songs from our new record, Anti-Fragile on Rocksmith Now.
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Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We will see you all at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds.
Thanks for hanging out.
We've got to pull up this bad boy.
What is that?
serge du preez
That's what I was trying to fix.
Sorry, I'll do it.
tim pool
Oh, he didn't fix it.
He didn't fix it.
We got to just get in the room and then Serge's got to fix it.
serge du preez
Takes about one second.
tim pool
One.
There it is.
Look at that.
Fixed.
So, three eye Atlas.
unidentified
What does that mean?
phil labonte
What?
Oh, that's the massive space rock that might be.
tim pool
What's the numerology on this thing?
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
gary grinberg
Oh, God.
Yeah, I didn't even look at this thing yet, bro.
tim pool
Have you heard about it, though?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This weird object is like changing colors and moving around, and they're saying it's aliens come to destroy us.
gary grinberg
Oh, my gosh.
I don't really trust the government too much.
tim pool
Well, it's not the government.
gary grinberg
It's NASA.
tim pool
No.
gary grinberg
No.
tim pool
This is a bunch of amateur astronomers have been tracking it.
You've got government universities and private citizens all tracking this, all basically saying the same thing.
They're saying it's like giving off signals.
It's changing colors.
It changed direction.
None of this makes sense.
gary grinberg
I don't believe in aliens.
If you take the A and N off, you have the word Y. I'm not a big believer in aliens.
tim pool
So, like, Mexicans, when they come, they're live.
gary grinberg
That's illegal aliens.
That's a little bit different.
ian crossland
Do you think that there could be some connection between metals in space and the predictions of numerology?
And I can elaborate if.
gary grinberg
I mean, space that's not my specialty.
ian crossland
Well, the reason I ask is because the position of things.
You know, the time is motion.
Time is where are things at what when, you know, where are things right now.
And so, what are they as well?
What are things?
Well, if it's a star, then that means there's going to be a numerology.
There's going to be a sign at a zodiac sign.
So, like, what is it?
gary grinberg
Well, all I can tell you is the ruling 13 families, they basically have a system in place to pay homage, and no one even pays attention to it.
Like, for instance, you have a team called the 49ers, 4 and 9 is 13.
You have a team called the 76ers, 7 and 6 is 13.
You have McDonald's, Marathon, MM.
M is the 13th letter.
So, when I look at this system, it's basically 12-in-one system.
And look at the Federal Reserve.
You have one main bank in DC, and you have 12 other regional banks.
You have 12 judges, I mean, 12 jurors, and one judge.
I mean, you see this system play over and over again.
12 astrology signs, one sun.
So, to me, when I see certain things going around in the universe, it's basically the ruling families demanding homage in hidden ways.
ian crossland
Possible that the real numerology is in hexadecimal.
We're a base 12 system or a base 13 system, and we've been tricked into believing it's base 10.
gary grinberg
I do believe there's a lot of validity in 13 months, 28 days.
I do think there's a lot of validity in that.
ian crossland
The Ophiakus was the 13th sign.
unidentified
Yes.
gary grinberg
Well, if people can actually prove that's real.
ian crossland
Right.
gary grinberg
No, that's that.
That's just, you know, hearsay.
I actually go like to go off evidence and stuff like that.
I know it doesn't seem like it, but I'm really, really evidence-based when it comes to this.
tim pool
E-Lod E. Dude, the starless.
He is three, and Lad means boy, and boy is two.
unidentified
That's five.
gary grinberg
He is five.
tim pool
He is the fifth letter.
No, But in astronomerology, in lead speak, E. In Lead Speak, it's three.
elad eliahu
You don't do the couple.
tim pool
Five ladd.
That's seven.
Because seven's a lucky number.
gary grinberg
No, it's actually unlucky.
Seven is the unluckiest number.
Why do you think the casinos promote it?
They're trying to set people up for losses.
How many cards in the deck?
Five and fifty-two.
Five and two is seven.
So seven is actually the unluckiest number, and they try to say it's lucky.
tim pool
What does that do with the number of cards in a deck?
gary grinberg
Oh, they're basically basically trying to tell you that it's a very negative number, and people think seven is lucky.
I mean, the morons who got married on 7-7, 2007, Eva Von Gori and stuff like that.
I was telling people that's like the worst day to get married on.
They got divorced.
tim pool
But like most of these celebrities get divorced.
They're all fake.
gary grinberg
Well, here's what it comes down to.
If you want to say, oh, you're saying a lot is bad?
tim pool
Okay, no, I don't.
unidentified
I know.
gary grinberg
I'm saying if you want to have a successful marriage, do not get married on the 7th, 16th, 25th, because you might as well invite your divorce attorney to the wedding.
tim pool
What if you're born on the 22nd?
gary grinberg
22nd.
unidentified
2-2s.
gary grinberg
22nd is a master number.
So, for instance, I'll give you an example.
22 is the number of the master builder.
George Washington started America.
He was born on the 22nd.
Vladimir Lenin started the Soviet Union.
He was born on the 22nd.
Soviet Union came to power in 1922.
So you have the 22 on the back end.
tim pool
What if you were born on 2, 22, 2022?
gary grinberg
I'll be a very sensitive person.
tim pool
Just sensitive?
Are they going to like, you know, take over the world or something?
gary grinberg
I doubt it.
elad eliahu
What day did you get married and was there any significance to it?
gary grinberg
Yeah, I got married on 12, 14, 2004.
And the reason I did that was because I want Mary the five life path.
And it's very important to marry five life paths on five days or you might get divorced.
And just so you guys understand, you guys could, you know, people in the audience might be laughing.
I've been married for 22 years.
So while you guys are into Christianity and Islam, Judaism, you guys are getting divorced all the time.
I've been good for 22 years based off numerology.
And I picked my wife based off numerology.
tim pool
What's a five life path?
elad eliahu
How did you pick her?
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
How did you pick her based off the numbers?
And then you answer that question.
gary grinberg
A five life path.
tim pool
That's mine first, but answer mine second.
gary grinberg
Okay, so a five life path is when the total birthday adds up to a five.
For instance, January 12th, 1981, 11219.
Oh, but 12.
No, it adds up to five in total.
tim pool
Right.
You called me a nine life path, but mine adds up to a 12.
gary grinberg
How does it add up to a 12?
tim pool
Three plus nine.
gary grinberg
You're three, six, nineteen eighty-six, correct?
tim pool
No, March 9th.
gary grinberg
March 9th, 1986 is a nine life path.
tim pool
That's three plus nine is 12.
gary grinberg
Okay, let's do the math together, my friend.
What's 1986?
1986.
It's 24.
Right?
tim pool
How are you adding those numbers up?
gary grinberg
1 plus 9 plus 8 plus 6 adds up to 24.
tim pool
Right, because you could do 19 plus 86.
ian crossland
I don't know.
gary grinberg
I'm not doing that.
I'm going strictly off the numbers.
1986, your birth year, adds up to 24, correct?
tim pool
Yes.
gary grinberg
Okay.
3 plus 9 is what?
tim pool
12.
gary grinberg
12 plus 24 is what?
tim pool
36.
gary grinberg
3 and 6 is what?
tim pool
9.
gary grinberg
There you go.
You're a nine life path.
That's simple.
elad eliahu
What does your wife think about?
Is she a numerologist?
tim pool
I just made that up.
She never.
gary grinberg
She never would have married me if it wasn't for this.
elad eliahu
Oh, yeah?
Okay, so she's interested in it as well?
gary grinberg
100%.
That's everyone in my family.
tim pool
So you said three plus six is nine, but you got my birthday wrong.
gary grinberg
1986, we just did the math, right?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Before that, you said three, six, 1986.
I said, no.
3-9, I didn't say to an option.
Oh, now I'll change how I find the number.
gary grinberg
No, I didn't change anything.
You're a nine-life path.
I misspoke.
tim pool
Okay, so 3-6, 1986 is a what?
gary grinberg
Nine life path.
tim pool
3-6, 1986?
gary grinberg
No, that's a 6-life path.
tim pool
Yeah, so you said that you thought my birthday was on the 6th.
gary grinberg
You corrected me.
ian crossland
I think on the show, it was clear.
It was 9.
tim pool
No, he said 6 in the beginning as well.
unidentified
I don't remember.
gary grinberg
I mean, you said what your birthday is.
tim pool
You said 3 plus 6 is 9.
And then when I corrected you, you changed how you did the math.
gary grinberg
Okay, I'm going to make this abundant.
Everybody's live.
I'm going to make this clear.
You add up to a 9-life path.
There's no other date to add up.
Now, when I had the incorrect information, maybe I would have said something different.
But now that you corrected me with your real birthday, you are a nine.
tim pool
You said three plus six equals nine.
You're a nine life path.
gary grinberg
What's 36?
You add up to 36 in total.
tim pool
And you were referring to March 6th, 1986.
ian crossland
But he did half the equation and then had to jump to the cookie.
tim pool
Right, so the question I'm asking is which one is the actual path towards a life path?
Is it the days added together?
gary grinberg
Total number is the life path, and you're born on the 9th.
So that would be your secondary energy.
You're a number nine.
I mean, listen, you can say I'm full of shit.
tim pool
But you just changed your answer.
I didn't change anything.
gary grinberg
I'm telling you what it is.
Listen, I can assure you, you're the man.
You're the man when it comes to this field.
But I promise you, I talked to more people at the Higher Future than you.
elad eliahu
September 26th, 1993.
tim pool
September 26th?
elad eliahu
The 22nd.
gary grinberg
Oh, okay.
There you go.
He just misspoke.
elad eliahu
Why don't you go at him?
gary grinberg
He said the 22nd.
tim pool
So September 22nd?
elad eliahu
22nd, 19.
tim pool
So 31, so he's a four-life path?
gary grinberg
No.
ian crossland
Depends on the year or two.
gary grinberg
You got to add the year or two.
tim pool
How come you didn't add the year before?
I just did with you.
ian crossland
He did the math before that.
Because he only answered half the equation.
He said three plus six, and then he jumped to his answer that he had before, which was nine without doing your yearly math.
And then he's like, oh, three plus nine plus your year is the nine that I got on the earlier show.
gary grinberg
There's always nine life paths don't really believe in this stuff, and it's fine.
It's fine, bro.
You keep fighting the conservative battle, me and you are right there.
tim pool
What does a nine life path do?
gary grinberg
Someone who's adaptive, someone who goes.
tim pool
That explains why none of my years matched up to your prediction on tigers or whatever.
I mean, there's always an answer, isn't there?
gary grinberg
I mean, there always is if you look deep enough, but some people don't want to look up.
ian crossland
I always like the saying, who is it?
It's not the strongest that survive.
It's the ones that are most adaptable to change.
I think that was the evolution guy.
What's Darwin?
And he was very clear.
It's about adaptability, which is apparently is a nine, which is cool.
gary grinberg
Nines are very good.
Nines are good at crypto.
Sailors, nine.
elad eliahu
Where'd you find numerology?
Where did you come about this?
You said after 9-11 is what I've got.
gary grinberg
That's what woke me up.
elad eliahu
But like, oh, 9-11's happening, trouble, numbers.
Like, where'd you go from there?
gary grinberg
Well, you're in the middle of the day.
What happened was when 2002 hit, I started going to all the top numerologists in the world.
I saw they were all broke.
elad eliahu
Why'd you think to go to the top numerologists?
gary grinberg
Because that's where you go to the top.
You go to the top.
elad eliahu
Yeah, but I guess numerology and I've never thought like, oh, let me go.
Were you just interested in numbers and then seeked out numerology?
gary grinberg
No, I knew there was something there, but I knew they were wrong about it.
I knew there was something there.
elad eliahu
You knew there was something about the numbers?
gary grinberg
Correct.
elad eliahu
And then you knew some people were wrong about them, and then you sought out the best in the world on numerology.
gary grinberg
And they were wrong, too.
So at that point, I just started going up to everyone, asking your birthday for about five, six years until I saw common patterns.
And then it started working out.
When I started pattern recognizing, you guys want me to explain something I've been studying for 20 years in a few minutes.
I understand the skepticism.
I get it.
elad eliahu
It's all good.
Do you have a numerologist that you look up to?
Is there a guy who does numerology?
gary grinberg
I don't look up to poor people, so no.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I'm just trying to understand it as like a sort of industry or what's going on and how you came about it.
gary grinberg
I don't believe the fairy tales in the Bible, Quran, and Torah.
And I was looking for real answers.
And then I found them within numerology and astrology.
And I'm telling you, everyone, right now, it doesn't matter what you guys think.
It doesn't matter what I think.
What matters is what the people in power think.
And the people in power use numerology and astrology without a shadow of a doubt.
So, again, if you think it's ridiculous, that's fine.
elad eliahu
I don't mean to sound dismissive.
That's fine.
Is this almost like a religion for you?
Because you said, like, no, you know, the religions didn't do it for me.
I'm not religious.
Christianity didn't do it for you.
But are you finding something in numerology that you couldn't find in religion and you were seeking?
gary grinberg
Yes, answers.
elad eliahu
Okay.
You were seeking answers in religion.
You didn't find them.
And then you went to numerology and you found those answers.
gary grinberg
Correct.
elad eliahu
So it almost feels as though numerology reverses.
gary grinberg
I don't worship numbers, my friend.
I use numbers just like anyone else.
I just use them.
ian crossland
I think math is religion because if you believe one plus one equals two, then you've already accepted that you're in something other than binary.
If you're in binary, one plus one equals one, zero.
There is no two.
gary grinberg
Yeah.
One is male energy.
And again, when you look at the first vowel in the word male, it's a when you look at our argument into the day, when you look at the English language, like for instance, a lot of people who are attorneys tend to be one of life paths.
Attorney starts with A, first vowel and lawyer, A, A is the first letter of the alphabet.
So you have to start looking at the whole pattern.
And no one's going to get this in 15 minutes.
No one's going to get this in an hour because, quite frankly, I didn't believe in this stuff until I start seeing example after example after example.
And at the end of the day, listen, you guys want to talk about you guys being hated.
I am the top guy in my field.
I'm the Michael Jordan in my field.
They hate me.
They literally hate me because the left, this used to be a left thing.
This used to be a very, very liberal thing until I came along.
And I'm further right than all of you guys, quite frankly.
I'm looking for a fascist government.
I want Trump to be in the third term.
Enough of this nonsense, man.
I want empire.
Enough.
Because when you have a real president, and by the way, Donald Trump is the best president in modern American history.
I don't care what anyone says.
This man has basically turned deficit into surplus with trades.
He has done the right thing for the American people.
And quite frankly, as many people say he's owned by Israel, that's a lie, too.
elad eliahu
Can I ask, when did it click for you and what made it click?
I guess 9-11, but like, was there a number?
It was the number signs with 9-11 that made it click for you?
gary grinberg
The massive thing was when I started studying world history and I saw they ended World War I on 11-11 at exactly 11 p.m.
They were still firing bullets at each other at 1055, but at 11 they stopped.
Why would they do that unless it was for a reason?
ian crossland
It was for a reason.
gary grinberg
Exactly.
So people don't want to look at the reason.
They just want to say I'm a crackpot.
And that's fine.
elad eliahu
And what was the reason?
gary grinberg
They wanted to make sure there would be World War II.
And you can never have peace under 11 energy.
That's exactly why they did it.
elad eliahu
You can never have peace under 11 energy.
Never.
And that's to sort of spur World War II on a number where.
gary grinberg
Yes, there you go.
There you're getting it.
elad eliahu
You know what, guys?
I mean, this makes as much sense as Crackhead Candace shits does.
So fuck it.
11, peaceful energy.
Not peaceful energy.
So and then.
tim pool
All right, a lot.
When's your birthday?
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.
elad eliahu
September 22nd, 1993.
tim pool
I'm gonna see what it says.
It says I'm gonna ask it if it describes you.
gary grinberg
Eight Life Path born the year of the rooster.
tim pool
Very loyal.
elad eliahu
Anything Jewish in there or just?
gary grinberg
I mean, Israel was founded in 1948, the year of the rat.
And, you know, when it comes down to it, next year is going to be a tough year for Israel.
elad eliahu
Do you do Jewish numbers too?
gary grinberg
That's more Kabbalah.
elad eliahu
Yeah, you don't do any of those?
gary grinberg
I would not be in a position where I could defend Kabbalah.
tim pool
All right.
It says, you are here to build something big, lasting, and practical that benefits many people.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Natural leadership and independence, courage to start from zero, desire to be number one or recognized as the originator.
Sometimes impatience or ego when the grand vision moves too slowly.
Visionary, extremely practical at the same time, workaholic tendencies.
You can move mountains when inspired.
Pressure to do something that matters is intense.
Often drawn to engineering, tech, real estate, large-scale business, politics, or humanitarian projects.
Life lessons revolve around patience, delegation, and not carrying the whole world alone.
elad eliahu
Is this astrology or numerology?
tim pool
Numerology.
gary grinberg
That sounds like something.
elad eliahu
That sounded a little bit accurate.
I hate to sound like one of those bitches, but it sounds like it describes you.
gary grinberg
That sounds.
elad eliahu
Don't you?
gary grinberg
I mean, listen, that's that chat GBT stuff.
They don't really have to sauce.
elad eliahu
Oh, you don't even think that has the sauce?
Because I was saying that sounds roughly.
tim pool
I made it up.
elad eliahu
Oh, then you just know me so well.
gary grinberg
That's what I'm saying.
elad eliahu
That's what I mean.
gary grinberg
That's why I said what I said.
elad eliahu
When you think that of me?
gary grinberg
When I see the number 22, when I see the number 33, when I see the number 11, I understand those are master numbers.
Those type of energies dominate.
tim pool
Let me read you what it actually says.
All right.
September 22nd, 1993, life path calculation.
You are a master 22.
Life path number eight.
It says, you are here to build something monumental, practical, and enduring that serves large numbers of people.
Double 22, the urge is almost overwhelming.
You feel you were born to create systems, companies, cities, technologies, movements, or legacies that last beyond your lifetime.
It says the eight overlay means you smoke too much pot and you have homosexual tendencies.
gary grinberg
I highly doubt that.
tim pool
Waste most of your time smoking pot and banging dudes.
But if that's your thing, just do it, I guess.
ian crossland
Just do it like that.
gary grinberg
Wait, wait a second.
I didn't know you were giving Nick Fuentez a numerology reading.
tim pool
That I made up.
All right, we got to go to callers.
We got to go to callers.
Yeah, you got to bring in the plaid, Chad.
ian crossland
Plaid, Chad.
tim pool
What's going on, host?
phil labonte
What's up, Plaid, Chad?
unidentified
Hey, guys.
How's it going?
ian crossland
Great, man.
tim pool
What up?
unidentified
Sweet, sweet.
Thanks for taking my call.
So just I want to ask a simple question here.
Hopefully it's simple.
In like the political, like online spaces, do you guys like, what is your guys' opinion when it comes to like, do you think the majority of the people in the space are just like grifters, or do you think that they're more like that they actually believe in the things they advocate for?
Or is it more like in the middle?
tim pool
I would have to say that.
unidentified
I don't mean like X is kind of a little bit, you know, grifters, like more like streamers and YouTubers, you know?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I mean, YouTubers, like in general, like politics is where you're going to find less actual grifters per capita.
Everything else is just pure grifter.
100%.
Look at the Hassan defense.
All the people who are like, Hassan didn't electrocute his dog.
unidentified
I swear.
phil labonte
Rough.
Everyone see what Hassan wore to the streamer awards?
unidentified
Yes, I did.
Dress.
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