Dec. 6, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:12:16
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| CNN is getting roasted because when they arrested that black man as the suspect in the JSICS pipe bombing, he's got a picture of the guy on the TV and he calls him a white man because this is all they can do. | ||
| They're either just miserable at their job or they're intentionally lying. | ||
| And at this point in my life, it's just I'm going to assume they're intentionally lying. | ||
| But we've got a bunch of other big stories. | ||
| The Supreme Court will be taking up the challenge to birthright citizenship, which means, considering the court is 6-3, there's a probability they may say no to birthright citizenship and put an end to it, which would be like a nuclear bomb in politics. | ||
| And then we've got some fun stories, which are actually rather terrifying. | ||
| And that is, solar rays blasted a plane out of the sky. | ||
| It fell thousands of feet. | ||
| Several people got injured. | ||
| Then they recalled a bunch of jets. | ||
| And it could be because the magnetosphere is weakening. | ||
| Planes are falling out of the sky, maybe, but they're recalling them. | ||
| So that one's a bit more fun. | ||
| Friday, and I imagine this will be the fastest two hours you've ever experienced because it's going to be a lot of fun, a lot of laughter. | ||
| It's going to be pretty heartwarming. | ||
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I introduced with Bean Dream, which is where George gets his husband's prompt. | |
| I suppose. | ||
| You guys suck. | ||
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| Milo enjoys it. | ||
| He does. | ||
| Milo's here, by the way. | ||
| Smash the like button, share the show. | ||
| Tell everybody to watch. | ||
| I don't drink still water on the whole, but actually, as Stillwaters go, it's pretty tasty. | ||
| I'm not going to lie. | ||
| Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Milo. | ||
| I'm not very well. | ||
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I was on, I was, well, you're never very well, Milo. | |
| When have you? | ||
| When was the last time you were well? | ||
| Well, people have been calling me sick in the head for a long time, but the joke's on you now. | ||
| I've got brain cancer. | ||
| So no, I was. | ||
|
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You could try. | |
| Nobody can laugh. | ||
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No, nobody can laugh. | |
| You could try, but you ain't going to win today. | ||
| I hate you. | ||
| Isn't it funny how you can basically wear the same outfit and one person's a six and one person's a 10? | ||
| It's like, like, it's really rough. | ||
| But are you talking about me? | ||
| I don't, we're not wearing the same outfit. | ||
| Well, it's just a vast expanse of blue, which is about as much as my eyes can manage. | ||
| Milo, your mirror at home is playing tricks on you, some layers, maybe some like texture, giving a little color, and the black and white photos as well on Twitter. | ||
| But they're inspired by you. | ||
| Well, quite clearly not. | ||
| They're inspired by you. | ||
| All my black and white pictures are all an homage to the great Milo. | ||
| You're my elder seven years. | ||
| I literally have to pay homage to you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The word we use is icon, please. | ||
| Okay, you're my elder icon. | ||
| Without you, I could have never crawled. | ||
| New mortals cannot comprehend the honor. | ||
| No, you should be vivid. | ||
| This is Milo. | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| Until I got here tonight, I had never seen such a beautiful woman. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| I've never seen it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And she came over here. | ||
| I didn't even know she was in this country. | ||
| I thought she was in Germany. | ||
| And she said. | ||
| I escaped. | ||
| I applied for asylum. | ||
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Did you really? | |
| Yes, I actually did. | ||
| Are you here? | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| But you're about to compare nodes on your asylum plate. | ||
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A little bit. | |
| No, no, if you've come through the port of entry, you're fine until they make a decision. | ||
| That's all right. | ||
| Have you considered just coming through Mexico? | ||
| Then you're here forever. | ||
| You've only gotten 10 grand. | ||
| The funny thing is, I did come from Mexico. | ||
| The last time I entered the United States was from Mexico because I was allowed to stay in America under my ESTA visa waiver program for three months at a time. | ||
| And then I got so many death threats from Germany that I decided I couldn't spend Christmas with my family at home last year. | ||
| So I went to Mexico for like a week, two weeks, and then I was able to come back to America to extend my visa as a waiver. | ||
| So it kind of resets. | ||
| So I can't. | ||
| Oh, so hold on. | ||
| So you're just teaching us. | ||
| But then eventually I decided, okay, I need to escape for good because I found out that I'm under surveillance by John. | ||
| You actually do need to because I have followed you for a long time and I'm very fond of you. | ||
| And we just met today, but I've seen your Twitter and there's absolutely no way that you will survive in Germany. | ||
| Like, you know, well, can you say that? | ||
| Does anybody survive in Germany that has an independent mind? | ||
| It's a hive mentality. | ||
| It's a shit country. | ||
| Back in the good old days. | ||
| No offense. | ||
| No, it's terrible. | ||
| But I'm distressed to learn that you're here and have a boyfriend that's not me. | ||
| And I didn't even get the option. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| You didn't give Milo first right. | ||
| She doesn't. | ||
| No, no, it's Prima Nocte. | ||
| This is the Prima Nocte. | ||
| Prima Nocte. | ||
| She says that she's, oh, honor being the same room. | ||
| Well, if I'm the king, I get first night with every bitch in the kingdom. | ||
| That's called Prima Nocte, medieval Christianity. | ||
| So he does braid your hair during that period. | ||
| So I will braid your hair before, during, and after in case the rest of us are. | ||
| This is the best introduction explaining who Milo is. | ||
| George Santos is here. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| I'm the younger, less less. | ||
| Would you lift up your sweater so we can see how many of you there are under there? | ||
| There's like five of them. | ||
| You're kind of like, you know, like one of those people on the stilts where you're kind of like, oh, go, that's four people. | ||
| And I just, I want to know how many of you are there are and why with four of you in there, are you still not funny? | ||
| I'm just, I'm just going to do this, you know, like the nail emoji. | ||
| Like, fuck off. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| But no, no. | ||
| I am literally, I mean this wholeheartedly because I love Milo. | ||
| This, this is a. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We'll do that. | ||
| I can do this. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| He's like the gayest person I know and he wants to talk about assault. | ||
| So this also is an excellent introduction for George. | ||
| We also have Naomi. | ||
| She's back. | ||
| Thank you so much for having me again. | ||
| Quite a shorter and second introduction. | ||
| Yesterday. | ||
| Yesterday, while I was in the car with Chris, you were on the phone. | ||
| Oh, that's when I was saying. | ||
| Oh, it's okay. | ||
| You were just complaining. | ||
| The usual. | ||
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But this is when I know how usual. | |
| She just met you and she knows you're complaining. | ||
| You know how hard I work to avoid Tim hearing about all the diva shit I ask your scarf to do? | ||
| Oh, shout out to Chris, amazing driver. | ||
| Who did not pick me up, even though he knows that he's my favorite, and I was very mad about it. | ||
| But actually, I was picked up by something called Brian. | ||
| It's Brian the one who does all the hotel bookings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thank you for the suite, by the way. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| Very thoughtful. | ||
| Yeah, they didn't book me a sweet, but I got upgraded one anyway. | ||
| Yeah, that was on purpose. | ||
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Well, I always get upgraded because I'm ambassadorly. | |
| Phil's apparently here. | ||
| Hello, everybody. | ||
| My name is Phil Obama. | ||
| You booked him a suite to piss me off. | ||
| No. | ||
| I have nothing to do with this. | ||
| Obviously, it's not fucking working, but still. | ||
| Obviously, it's not. | ||
| Lead singer, the head of the family, all that's left. | ||
| I'll send you a picture when I get to it. | ||
| I'm so done with this show. | ||
| Excuse me, ma'am. | ||
| You know, I'm going to tell you how done I am with this show. | ||
| I'm drinking my favorite beverage, which is Ian's here. | ||
| It's honestly, it's Jerry introducing themselves. | ||
| Can you shut the fuck up? | ||
| Milo does not care. | ||
| I love you, but wait. | ||
| Wait, your turn. | ||
| Patience, Milo, is virtue. | ||
| You got to be Christ-like. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Are you lecturing me on Christianity? | ||
| Sounds like it. | ||
| Crystal Kevin. | ||
| Crystal Kristen. | ||
| Crystal Kevin. | ||
| Crystal Kevin has insights from the Krypton Factor, a paranormal realm of fractals. | ||
| Can we not? | ||
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Your blood has crystals in it. | |
| Yeah, because I've got gout. | ||
| By the way, I'm happy to be here. | ||
| Richmond? | ||
| Ian Cross. | ||
| I was happy you were here until that. | ||
| Old Senator's disease. | ||
| That's what it really is. | ||
| So anyway, we have news. | ||
| George, this is not the fruit and cheese box. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| No, this is the cheese trio. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| Buddy, that's all they have. | ||
| You're the fruit. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I just didn't want to witness cannibalism. | ||
| I told you. | ||
| Oh, bitch. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Oh, bitch. | ||
| I didn't want to witness cannibalism. | ||
| He's like, I need fruit. | ||
| I'm going to eat fruit. | ||
| I'm like, dude, no, cannibalism is bad. | ||
| I feel like this is the kind of show that appeals to the non-news audience because it's more entertaining, dramatic. | ||
| Still got daggers coming out of his eyes at me. | ||
| We should talk. | ||
| We should talk on this show. | ||
| Milo's so serious and talking about real-worldly news. | ||
| You should see it. | ||
| Let's kick it off. | ||
| Sorry, do you want to go toe-to-toe on serious? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm not serious. | ||
| George Santos is giving me lectures on being serious. | ||
| Now I really have heard it all. | ||
| So here's the first story. | ||
| CNN falsely claims black J6 pipe bomb suspect is a white man. | ||
| And we actually just thought this would be like the funniest story to lead with because while he was claiming it, the man who looks very much like Steve Urkel was on screen. | ||
| I'm not making up a joke. | ||
| I mean, that's literally what everyone's saying. | ||
| There's memes popping out where they said, did I do that? | ||
| And Jake Tapper apparently didn't bother to look or do any research before pulling an anchorman and just reading whatever they wrote in his teleprompter. | ||
| So welcome to America. | ||
| I hope you find it humorous. | ||
| Is there any more actual development with the story about the yes, he's not white? | ||
| Well, there we go. | ||
| He's not white. | ||
| Can anybody remember which one has the MDMA in it? | ||
| Which bottle addresses the MDMA in it? | ||
| That's actually none of them because we have no such thing here. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| No, none of them do. | ||
| I'm not obviously. | ||
| You want a little pick-me-it's the feel, though. | ||
| But I would just say, don't drink the liquid death. | ||
| Well, that has probably something much worse in it. | ||
| When you posted that thing about... | ||
| I don't even know what we're talking about. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| No, I was just kidding. | ||
| Holding it up because I was cross with him about Candace. | ||
| But I saw that thing of where you cut it round and there's like a plastic bag inside. | ||
| And I know that obviously from boxes of wine at home. | ||
| I know that bitch does. | ||
| Actually, I've never seen him drink out of a bottle at home. | ||
| It's always a box. | ||
| And the wine that he drinks is just called wine. | ||
| Who? | ||
| You. | ||
| Me? | ||
| This doesn't just happen, you know. | ||
| I'm just, you know what? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| But let's go back to Jake Tapper. | ||
| You'll never see him eat. | ||
| It's the only explanation. | ||
| No, no, so I was just kidding about the other thing, but this is, when I saw you, let me just say something. | ||
| Let me get it. | ||
| Can I get it off my chest? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can we just address it? | ||
| Can we deal with it? | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| The guy that went off to Jack Dorsey, Jedi level. | ||
| Jack Dorsey. | ||
| The guy that went after this, Jedi level. | ||
| I haven't loved this week. | ||
| But I will say that this is like really cancerous and horrible. | ||
| And the only reason I'm sipping it is because it's cold. | ||
| But no, none of them have drugs. | ||
| You want some Jedi shit right now? | ||
| You want some deep force? | ||
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From you? | |
| I'll come up in about six weeks. | ||
| I'll see you then. | ||
| Have you seen with an Ail and I? | ||
| Say that again? | ||
| Have you seen with Nail and I, the movie? | ||
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No. | |
| There's that guy that's like, when I dose you, you'll know you've been spiked. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| I would never accept drugs from you in the nicest possible way because I know them. | ||
| I can see, like, you know, when you look into someone's eyes and it's a bit glassy and then you just see like eternity, there's just nothing there. | ||
| And then if you sort of get a microscope and like, oh, that's what a fractal is. | ||
| Like, that's not the guy to take drugs from because you don't recover from it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You have to trust yourself. | ||
| Whatever you would give anyone would like one shot any mortal. | ||
| It's unless they're already like the mushrooms are like there's probably four of these mushrooms in existence and they're all in his loft. | ||
| You know the term and you don't want to touch it. | ||
| You don't even want to lick it. | ||
| You don't want to be in the same room as it. | ||
| You just be in the same room and think you're meeting Margaret Thatcher, you know? | ||
| Like, no. | ||
| You're projecting. | ||
| You wouldn't want to be, but that doesn't mean others wouldn't. | ||
| There are lots of people that would want to be right up there next to me, just staying warm. | ||
| But my question to you is staying warm. | ||
| The word drug comes from the term dried herb. | ||
| It was a French word that means dried herb. | ||
| Just a basic, because there's so many plants that all, yeah. | ||
| Are you trying to rehabilitate the reputation of all the things that you take that you should? | ||
| You didn't need to know that. | ||
| Drugs in general, yeah. | ||
| It's going to be there forever. | ||
| Are you familiar with that concept? | ||
| Are you familiar? | ||
| So you know, like some things can be like important but not urgent. | ||
| Are you familiar with the concept of sort of like connected but not relevant? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That pretty much describes Ian. | ||
| But that's what happens, you see, because the... | ||
| So what do you want to talk about, Mike? | ||
| The problem is connective. | ||
| The connected bit of your brain still works, so you can still shoot off and make links between things. | ||
| But the critical thinking, the higher executive brain functions are just fucking gone. | ||
| The problem, Milo, is if you become too relevant, you become a target. | ||
| I wasn't talking about influencers, babe. | ||
| I was talking about your ability to think critically. | ||
| To seem irrelevant. | ||
| It's clearly destroyed. | ||
| Well, the weed has lowered my intelligence, but raised my wisdom for sure. | ||
| Oh, I don't want to be too familiar with you. | ||
| I know that you think that, but actually, and in fact, it is the worst drug on the planet. | ||
| It is the worst, worst, worst thing in the world because it saps people slowly and insidiously of their energy, their enthusiasm, their desire to achieve their motivation, their general level. | ||
| I think anything, any drugs. | ||
| We've flown to the other side. | ||
| No, no, no, on different subjects on the other side. | ||
| On weed, you have no perception of what's happening. | ||
| And in fact, most people think the opposite is happening, and it's not. | ||
| Okay, real quick. | ||
| I take Vivance. | ||
| I am so ADD and I can't keep up right now. | ||
| Understand. | ||
| But like, Vyvance is like, I was not ready for this conversation. | ||
| No one shocked you. | ||
| Are triggering the worst side of him? | ||
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Stop. | |
| I know it's the automatic. | ||
| I mean, you've not been able to keep up. | ||
| Let's talk about it. | ||
| Milo. | ||
| Milo, tell me about your day. | ||
| What do you want to talk about? | ||
| See, that was shady. | ||
| That was shady. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| That was shady and I love you, but that was shady. | ||
| Why was that shady? | ||
| It was kind of like, okay, if you're going to do this again, then I'll just do the show. | ||
| You know it was shady. | ||
| You know it was shady. | ||
| That's an insult to my intelligence. | ||
| i'd like to talk about george so you of course have seen so cheese is really Oh, God, I don't know which one is. | ||
| That's not water. | ||
| Selection paralyzation? | ||
| No, but it's better than... | ||
| Never mind. | ||
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Um... | |
| George, we have a lot in common, at least at the surface. | ||
| Of course, yeah. | ||
| And I do have a great affection for you. | ||
| I think you've got you. | ||
| You're wonderful. | ||
| And if I ever do need to, you know, block out the sun, you are the first person I would call. | ||
| But. | ||
| You just call me a walking eclipse. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Total eclipse. | ||
| But there's a lovely ad. | ||
| I think it's for chocolate. | ||
| And she goes, full moon, half moon. | ||
| Total eclipse. | ||
| So we have some differences. | ||
| And something that surprises me about us is you're quite a centrist in many ways, aren't you? | ||
| So I know that you're kind of moving away from politics anyway. | ||
| I'm practical. | ||
| Because it was bad for you. | ||
| Put me in prison. | ||
| I think it's fair to say it was bad for you and bad to you. | ||
| I think it's reasonable to say that. | ||
| But you're quite a centrist, which you would never expect. | ||
| Do you often get people sort of thinking, oh, so you're not like a Fuentes guy? | ||
| You're not like a dissident, whatever. | ||
| Because you have that kind of personality ordinarily that would cleave to the margins, right? | ||
| Because we're used to gays being, you know, the edges of the matter. | ||
| But you're just like incredibly fucking boring. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Incredibly fucking boring. | ||
| It's not that I'm boring. | ||
| I'm just practical. | ||
| I mean, I don't subscribe to the left or the right all the way, you know, where they're meeting in the back with one another. | ||
| So I'm just practical. | ||
| I think you've been a true. | ||
| My point is, I think I can be Candace Owens and go batshit crazy. | ||
| I can be. | ||
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No, I'm not. | |
| No, no, let me. | ||
| I'm not going to. | ||
| Let me just, let me finish my line of thought. | ||
| I can be Candace Owens. | ||
| Troy, think of Troy. | ||
| I can be Candace Owens and go bat shit crazy. | ||
| I can be Nick Fuentes and be the most despicable human being on earth. | ||
| Okay, we agree on that one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then I can, there's so many other people, but I'd rather just not have to do that. | ||
| Not your Twitter accounts have been quite. | ||
| I mean, did I notice on the way here one of your Twitter accounts? | ||
| Maybe not yours personally, but it was like according to Nick Fuentes or per Nick Fuentes' commentary. | ||
| That was quite disturbing. | ||
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Have you changed? | |
| From us? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Have you changed your view on him? | ||
| Because it's quite, I mean, as a show, you're getting a little, it's, that was surprising to me that you're kind of getting like anti-Cantus pro Fuentis. | ||
| That was unusual. | ||
| I don't know that way. | ||
| I don't think I tweet anything like that. | ||
| Not you, but one of those. | ||
| Like the news account or something? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's a podcast. | ||
| It's a news account and it's per Nick Fuentes. | ||
| I mean, that's a. | ||
| No, but it was like an argumentative. | ||
| I mean, look, a broken clock's right twice a day. | ||
| I mean, even the most vile clocks. | ||
| and clocks in his case the l is silent because he's got a lilliputian fish hook which i've never if you How many people get that reference? | ||
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Well, so Brock. | |
| No one in Candace's audience, I'd imagine. | ||
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You know, she has a book club, do you? | |
| No, I'm just saying. | ||
| I'm not trying to, like, I really don't want to do this with you because I love you so much. | ||
| Oh, wait, wait, what's the problem with not having a book club? | ||
| Because he's implying she's like stupid and ignorant, and her audience is stupid and ignorant. | ||
| No, that's not what he was implying. | ||
| He was implying it's their Gen Z. | ||
| No, but like, does her, well, that's all I'm saying. | ||
| I think you missed a mark. | ||
| She's just wrong. | ||
| To be fair, he's been extremely complimentary about her intelligence. | ||
| I was giving. | ||
| She's very intelligent. | ||
| She's just applying it, and I was completely wrong with that. | ||
| I don't have any benefit of the doubt that he would know what her audience demographics are because they're not that. | ||
| No, I was saying her audience is stupid. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| But if their audience was stupid, why would she have like a riotously successful book club about reading where people pay to read books alongside her? | ||
| What kind of people are in the book club? | ||
| And it's about, well, I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's a real question, by the way. | ||
| That's a real question. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, the people who buy books are typically women. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But about her audience. | ||
| And I've never met a woman that was smarter than I know. | ||
| Let me phrase it this way. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| Let me phrase it this way. | ||
| Candace's audience, I don't think it would shock anybody to learn, and this is me speculation, it's not insider knowledge, but I know that I'm right. | ||
| Is skewing more female over time because of the way she tells stories and the subjects that she's interested in are sensational? | ||
| Fake stuff. | ||
| Okay, sensational. | ||
| She's extremely sensational without any backing, without any proof. | ||
| I don't think it's opinions. | ||
| It's just me search, no real research. | ||
| I don't think it's disrespectful to say. | ||
| And I don't dislike Candace, by the way. | ||
| And people are going to attack me for saying that. | ||
| Oh, George Jesus, shut the fuck up. | ||
| You went to prison. | ||
| But that doesn't justify that what she's doing is crazy. | ||
| I'm actually. | ||
| I think she's very intelligent and she's using her intelligence. | ||
| I'm of the view that somebody with your background is best placed to talk about whether somebody is being dishonest in public, actually. | ||
| So I'm not discounting you for that. | ||
| I think she's increasingly dishonest. | ||
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But I'm speculating here. | |
| I don't have insider knowledge, but I know that I'm right about this. | ||
| Her audience is being diskew female. | ||
| You don't know that you're right. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| Her audience does skew females. | ||
| Very female coach. | ||
| So is mine. | ||
| But it's not, but it's. | ||
| Like 63% of my audience on X alone is all women. | ||
| Having done two episodes with her and kind of, you know, he will know that you can, there are signs and signals that you can kind of intuit and be mostly on the money from outside. | ||
| And you'd not be too far off if you've done something like this before. | ||
| So women typically buy books. | ||
| Men don't really read. | ||
| Men buy books. | ||
| So I sold an enormous volume of books in 2017. | ||
| Milo, right? | ||
| And four-fifths of them were to women. | ||
| And many of those purchases were going to the Suns or going to the Suns afterwards. | ||
| But four-fifths of them were to women. | ||
| And it wasn't to girls with Nazi boyfriends. | ||
| It was to, let's say, marga moms or like older, older, or mid-midlife. | ||
| So I don't think it's disrespectful to say about Candace Owens that there's a true crime dimension to the flavor, the style that she does things, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And women, and I don't know. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I don't know if you know this because you're right. | ||
| That doesn't make what she's saying. | ||
| You don't know this guy. | ||
| I don't know if you've ever met a woman. | ||
| I was married to a woman before you even thought it was pretending to be straight. | ||
| Forgive me for having questions about what you claimed before you went away. | ||
| So I just think that if you know women, you understand that they are like obsessive serial killers and true crime. | ||
| Those are the big things. | ||
| Soap opera drama where she talks about how she colors. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| That's exactly how Lee said her podcast. | ||
| Harley said I'm a time traveler. | ||
| Every episode that you soap operates. | ||
| But it is ludicrous in the extreme to say that when she says, Charlie said, I'm a time traveler, you know, and she knows, and I know, and you know, that that's a metaphor. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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Right. | |
| So what's weird about it? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| The point that I made is that. | ||
| He's saying she's insightful and perceptive, and she seems to tell what's coming. | ||
| Because especially for a woman, and I'll answer. | ||
| Especially for a woman, she has a great pattern-matching brain. | ||
| So I'll answer this. | ||
| When I brought that up, my point is she is doing a soap opera where she is triggering the emotions of women. | ||
| It's female-coded. | ||
| I didn't say it was wrong. | ||
| I didn't say it was morally wrong. | ||
| I said this is a show for women. | ||
| You absolutely have said it. | ||
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No, Milo absolutely have said that she's correct. | |
| Her behavior is morally wrong. | ||
| What I have said is that's obviously the impression you've left, but you've said that she's specific about how she is telling people to pull their funding from turning point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she's destroying the coalition. | ||
| Democrats are going to win in the midterms because of what she says. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| And she said, no, I care. | ||
| Is anybody in this room still on Team Epstein? | ||
| Because I'm not. | ||
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Wait. | |
| I don't think they're. | ||
| Sorry, I am terribly sorry. | ||
| I am not on Team Epstein. | ||
| I don't give it. | ||
| But my Republican congressman isn't Trump. | ||
| It's the midterms. | ||
| It's not Trump. | ||
| How does your local Republican congressman affect your life? | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| He does. | ||
| I actually would prefer it not if the Democrats win the midterms and then start committees and then start arresting media personalities and doing an impeaching. | ||
| We knew that when we elected the guy. | ||
| We knew that was coming. | ||
| It's either coming now or it's coming in two years or it's coming in four years. | ||
| I mean, what's your point? | ||
| It doesn't have to come. | ||
| Oh, just not now. | ||
| No, it doesn't have to come if we stop the self-inflicted. | ||
| Oh, yeah, sure. | ||
| No, there's no, these are self-inflicted. | ||
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You're absolutely right. | |
| There'll never be another Democrat president, so that's not. | ||
| No, I'm not saying that, Milo. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| That was baked in when we don't have to forego the entirety of Congress to the Democrats only so that they can spend the next two years after the midterm. | ||
| Because they're so effective and useful, and they're doing all these great things for America. | ||
| And then, I mean, really, really not. | ||
| Trust me, I was one of them. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| If you look at the greatest disrespect because I like you personally, but you're the kind of person that gets elected to Congress. | ||
| Like, stop it. | ||
| Like, stop pretending these are people that we need. | ||
| I think you managed to. | ||
| But I'm the first one to say that. | ||
| And that's why you're on a path to redemption that has saved you. | ||
| And that means that I'm the first one to say that it means that I want to be a friend. | ||
| And now Marjorie has joined you in that very bravely, I think. | ||
| I think it's a great shame, but I get it. | ||
| It's a great loss in my opinion. | ||
| It's a loss, and I get it. | ||
| But prior to you two, I mean, you could get elected just inventing a story about yourself, a backstory about yourself that nobody even bothers checking. | ||
| If they do, the voters don't care. | ||
| That's what Congress is. | ||
| That's why it works with Candace Allen's stories because she's just fabricating stories and it works. | ||
| Not you. | ||
| Not you as well. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| It's just that in the episode. | ||
| Et to Naomi. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| In the beginning, I would have totally defended her and asked her questions. | ||
| But at this point, I feel like she's attacking the family of Charlie Carter. | ||
| It's like attacking this entire election. | ||
| I'm sorry, like, every opportunity that comes up every year, I just desperately beg for a reason to go live in a van down by the river. | ||
| I'm getting inundated with messages from prominent conservative personalities thanking me for calling her out, but are too scared. | ||
| They're being paid. | ||
| They're too scared to say to post it. | ||
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They're not. | |
| No, no, they're private. | ||
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They're scared. | |
| They're being paid. | ||
| People are privately messaging me. | ||
| Sorry, are you saying that people are never paid to stay quiet? | ||
| You think people are being paid to stay quiet? | ||
| Yes, because of course they are. | ||
| Because I mean, there are all kinds of reasons why you want someone to do it. | ||
| You think Candace is paying them off? | ||
| No, I don't mean Candace. | ||
| I mean, the other side. | ||
| If you know somebody's going to be counterproductive to your mission, you pay them to shut up. | ||
| Everybody's paying conservatives. | ||
| Everybody who has run a school board election knows that. | ||
| Because some people are paying conservatives out to stop. | ||
| No, I'm talking about conservatives or people at Turning Point. | ||
| So anybody who's won a school board election knows that there are certain people whose endorsement is damaging. | ||
| So explain what's going on. | ||
| There's conservatives who are thanking me for calling out Candace who won't do it themselves. | ||
| Someone's paying them? | ||
| I'm not saying all of them, but in many cases, in many cases. | ||
| I mean, sincerely, who do you think is who would be paying them? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Milo, who's paying them? | ||
| Put it this way. | ||
| You're spinning. | ||
| No, you're spitting. | ||
| No, I'm going to give an arm. | ||
| You're going to give an armor. | ||
| I think entities associated with or possibly directly probably turning point. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because they are losing the war against Candace. | ||
| They're losing. | ||
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So why would they pay people to not? | |
| That's what Turning Point does. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Okay, okay, wait, hold on. | ||
| Wouldn't Turning Point pay people to call out Candace? | ||
| No, no, because if you know that a particular person is going to be counterproductive, listen, when Nick Fuentes wanted to damage Trump in the last election, I said there's only one way you can damage Trump. | ||
| Endorse him. | ||
| It's the only way you can damage him, right? | ||
| When you know that somebody's endorsement is counterproductive to your cause, of course you might pay them to shut up. | ||
| And it happens all the time. | ||
| I've done it. | ||
| I've done it in congressional campaigns. | ||
| I've done it in two national congress. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| So prominent conservative personalities are paid to shut up, but these are mainstream, normal prominent people. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| Look, to this point. | ||
| I'll mention this. | ||
| I'll give a shout out to House in Habit, who shouted me out too. | ||
| But I don't want to call out anyone by name who's quietly saying, I'm not going to say anything. | ||
| House in Habit, who, by the way, I'm catching strays from this crazy old bitch now as well, who's just very personal, very physical comments. | ||
| I can look at crazy interviews right now because I have a lot of health problems, which causes various things. | ||
| But she's a nasty, vindictive, personal bitch. | ||
| Or at least let me rephrase that and say that her behavior has been that lately. | ||
| Who is this person that's talking about? | ||
| She's kind of emerging. | ||
| I mean, she's like, she's about 60,000, 70,000 follower kind of like on the up and up, right? | ||
| But isn't that interesting in itself? | ||
| What was her blog about? | ||
| What was her blog about? | ||
| It's like women's gossip drama stuff, isn't it? | ||
| Not the kind of person that you would expect to... | ||
| Anyway, my point is this. | ||
| I've done it in two congressional campaigns. | ||
| There are people who you just don't want to endorse your candidate. | ||
| Look, there's truth to that. | ||
| Because it's counterproductive. | ||
| There's truth to that. | ||
| Thank you for saying that. | ||
| Look, you know that. | ||
| I know because I've been asked to pay out a race. | ||
| You guys not to talk. | ||
| Yes, and that's very true. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| I'm not accusing you to have anything. | ||
| I have to talk. | ||
| I've never been paid. | ||
| I wish I was. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| It's mink. | ||
| What is what you're wearing? | ||
| It's mink. | ||
| Oh, the hat. | ||
| So right now, I'm looking at two things. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Let's step outside of the Candace thing a little bit and be a little bit more broad. | ||
| I have an opinion that the political fight we are in, we are facing defeat. | ||
| We won everything in the midterms. | ||
| No, we won everything. | ||
| Yes, and we're about to lose everything. | ||
| And we've got—OK, hold on. | ||
| Let me just get through this, right? | ||
| Because we're looking at retirements. | ||
| It's been a decade of winning. | ||
| So the midterms are coming up, and Trump has got several marginal victories. | ||
| Some of these things are not getting through, but let me just – I see prominent conservatives – Prominent conservative personalities are refusing to speak out for what they claim they believe. | ||
| They're thanking me for speaking out. | ||
| But you're sticking up for these guys when I'm saying is that they're normal political operatives. | ||
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You're saying that they're spineless cowards. | |
| Indeed. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Well, then they're even worse people. | |
| So the question for me. | ||
| The question for me is. | ||
| The Brandon Tatum who keeps saying, I'm not getting paid by Israel. | ||
| Well, then you're an idiot. | ||
| I never got paid by Israel either. | ||
| My question is, Mila, what is my reason for being involved in any of this at all? | ||
| Honest question. | ||
| Because this is what you do for a living. | ||
| And because where the center of gravity is, ideologically, and commercially too, it affects your business, affects your life, affects your children, affects your wife, affects everything about you. | ||
| Why wouldn't you be interested to be weird if you weren't? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Why would I be? | ||
| Silly question. | ||
| Why should I be this person? | ||
| Why don't I? | ||
| Why do you have the opinions you have? | ||
| Why do you have the positions? | ||
| No, How about I just go work behind the scenes at a PAC or a media company and just. | ||
| Because the function you're performing is valuable and, in fact, in my view, essential. | ||
| Because this is one of the shows that has such a broad guest base, almost utterly unique in media. | ||
| The only thing that really comes close is real time, and they have that because of the HBO prestige, Glitz Glam, and everything. | ||
| And they can get, although a lot of conservatives won't go on it. | ||
| They do come here, though. | ||
| You have maybe the widest, most varied and most interesting and distinctive guest base in all of politics. | ||
| Of course it's in your interest to – I'm not saying you're doing this, by the way, because I wouldn't accuse you of that because I don't believe that. | ||
| I don't think you're that kind of person. | ||
| But it would be in your interest to be anti-Candice. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Actually, I think it's in everyone's commercial. | ||
| It's in everyone's commercial interest to be anti-Candice because everybody else is Candid going up. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think it's, you're wrong because the base seems to be siding with Candace. | ||
| So counterparts. | ||
| I actually think criticizing Candace has hurt our viewership. | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| I actually got cancellations on orders. | ||
| My morning show subscribers have gone down. | ||
| I've lost 3,000 followers on X. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| Did you join the winning side? | ||
| No, I'd rather just go live in a van down by the river. | ||
| Isn't that bad, though? | ||
| It's like, if I don't win, I'm out of here. | ||
| I'm out of this. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| It's more like... | ||
| Come on, come on. | ||
| It's... | ||
| I think what he's trying to tell you is not willing to sacrifice his principle. | ||
| It doesn't sound like anything. | ||
| No, seriously, just listen to what he's saying. | ||
| I'm listening to what he's saying, and it sounds like he's being affected by these cows he's talking to. | ||
| And he's thinking his guns. | ||
| I think that's actually. | ||
| You're not that, but there's a big picture. | ||
| And the big picture is this. | ||
| There is a loose coalition on the right of various ideologies that came together because there was a unified, there was an enemy in wokeness, in insanity that was destructive. | ||
| It's largely been routed. | ||
| The right's not ripping each other apart. | ||
| And don't you think it's necessary if what Trump has been doing in the White House? | ||
| The fact that he is once again the president of Jerusalem and not the president of the United States. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| He is once again, I don't want to hear this from you. | ||
| That he is once again releasing Jewish fraudsters who ripped off poor people and specifically in the executive orders saying they don't have to pay the fines back, so they don't have to pay back their victims. | ||
| I'm not a fan of that. | ||
| But I'm saying, isn't it maybe a good thing that when it doesn't matter so much in a midterm versus when it matters a lot in a presidential election, that the right gets its work together? | ||
| And that people have the opportunity to say, maybe some of it was Candace, but maybe most of it was Trump, the fact that the midterms were in underperformance and have the opportunity to say some of it, because some of it is, is what Donald Trump is doing. | ||
| I completely agree. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I agree that Donald Trump is dropping the ball. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When Donald Trump said, if you are, and I think I know why this is, because I think that Trump was probably a confidential informant against Jeffrey Epstein back in the day. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I think he probably helped the FBI take Epstein down the first time. | ||
| That's the only explanation I can see. | ||
| Based on what? | ||
| Mike Johnson said it. | ||
| Mike Johnson said. | ||
| What did Mike Johnson say? | ||
| What did Mike Johnson say? | ||
| I missed? | ||
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And then he walked it back the next day saying, oh, I misspoke. | |
| I couldn't hear a word. | ||
| What? | ||
| Mike Johnson was asked a question at a press gaggle, and he said something to the effect of, you know, that's why Donald Trump kicked Epstein out of his club. | ||
| That's why he was annoyed. | ||
| An informant to the FBI. | ||
| No, no, he's explicit. | ||
| He said Trump was an informant. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's why I said he was an informant to the FBI. | ||
| Forgive me, sorry. | ||
| He was saying this chain of thought. | ||
| Oh, I missed that. | ||
| And everyone went, holy shh. | ||
| And then he rolled it back. | ||
| And the next day he said, no, no, I didn't mean it. | ||
| I misspoke. | ||
| But in addition to that, and I think more importantly and more persuasively, because people do misspeak all the time, some of the awkwardness. | ||
| Not Mike Johnson. | ||
| Sorry? | ||
| Not Mike Johnson. | ||
| It's very intentional. | ||
| I know the man fairly well. | ||
| So maybe it is more powerful than I think. | ||
| But when Trump seized up in panic, because that's what happened over the subject of Epstein. | ||
| No, he didn't. | ||
| There's a limited number of explanations for that. | ||
| Where he kept making very, very obvious missteps designed to piss off everyone who loves him most, like Marjorie, like me. | ||
| Everybody loves him most. | ||
| People who, and I'm not saying that I put him in office twice, but I did want to do the first time. | ||
| I did help. | ||
| I was a big component in the first time. | ||
| But a lot of people who put him in office were like, what? | ||
| Because Jeffrey Epstein, as Bannon has said, and who would know better than him, it turns out. | ||
| Oh, you're going to quote Bannon who consulted. | ||
| I just said who would know better than him as a tourist officer. | ||
| Okay, I just want to make that very clear for everybody listening. | ||
| I just said who would know better, as it turns out. | ||
| He said that Epstein was the key that picks the lock, right? | ||
| Of all of the kinds of things that people are asking, like, what is going on here? | ||
| Why is this like this? | ||
| Epstein was one of the central ideological planks of margot teleology. | ||
| Like, why does the world work like it does? | ||
| Why do things look weird? | ||
| Why do those people keep getting away with it and those people keep not getting away with it? | ||
| Jeffrey Epstein was considered by everybody who voted for Donald Trump as a central pillar of understanding that we would unlock and it would be like a code where bits of the universe would get like decoded for us. | ||
| Like, oh my goodness, it's because of that judge. | ||
| It's because of that. | ||
| Everybody had that expectation. | ||
| And there isn't one person who voted for Donald Trump who did not want and did not expect the Epstein files to be released immediately. | ||
| I did not have that expectation. | ||
| I did not vote for it. | ||
| They found everyone except George. | ||
| No, that's not true. | ||
| There's so many people for many other reasons. | ||
| And went, stop it, stop it. | ||
| Grow up. | ||
| You think that puts food on the table? | ||
| Grow up. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| Oh, it's about egg prices. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Part of the reason that Trump was elected in 2016 was that Hillary Clinton was emblematic of the way that the world was going wrong. | ||
| The secret elite collusion, Epstein, it was all linked. | ||
| And people voted for him the first time and people have voted for him every time since. | ||
| You can't find me someone apart from George, apparently, who did not want to see the Epstein files. | ||
| Let me ask you. | ||
| And I promise I'll wrap up and let someone else go. | ||
| But when he said there's no Epstein files, and then the Democrats made it up. | ||
| And then stop asking. | ||
| And then if you're asking, you're not a fan of mine. | ||
| And then, if you're asking, I don't want you. | ||
| I agree with all of this. | ||
| That is the moment Trumpism died. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And don't we need a reckoning? | ||
| And if that reckoning comes through the obviously, promise I'm nearly done, the obviously inadequate account from the feds and Turning Point about what happened around, before, and after Charlie Kirk's death, where his ride or die homegirl is asking questions that have exposed some inconsistencies and some questions and which seem to point to a different etiology for the crime than the one that we're being told. | ||
| And when everybody from Turning Point looks so sinister, suspicious, and guilty all the time. | ||
| And they're losing to her. | ||
| Respect the public on that at least. | ||
| They're losing to her. | ||
| And they have every reason to be winning. | ||
| So she has every reason to be losing. | ||
| Isn't it smart for us to have that reckoning in the Republican Party right now? | ||
| So, right. | ||
| So let me ask you. | ||
| You said you praised me for the Jack Dorsey thing that I did when I sat down with Jack Dorsey on Rogan. | ||
| What do you view my motivation as for sitting down and challenging them on these things? | ||
| I think that you are a man of good character. | ||
| And I think that you are compelled. | ||
| I see in your journalism, I've seen it when you were out and about more when we first met, like back in the day. | ||
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And I see it now in here. | |
| I see. | ||
| I'm going to blow smoke up. | ||
| There's a reason I like you. | ||
| I mean, you've been very good to me, but there's also other reasons I like you. | ||
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I think that you are. | |
| I think that you are seized by injustice sometimes and you just like get and you get visibly angry about people who tell lies or who are hypocritical or withhold information from the public that's critical. | ||
| I don't believe you got it right in the case of Candace. | ||
| My friend, I don't. | ||
| But that clear and ferocious motivation you have, you may have others. | ||
| Maybe that wasn't the right answer, but it's definitely answered. | ||
| I respect that answer. | ||
| I think it's your primary motivation. | ||
| And that primary motivation marks you out as a man of good character. | ||
| I just think you got it wrong on this one thing. | ||
| Is that okay? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so I'll give you my thoughts. | ||
| I feel like my principal motivation for everything is not even political. | ||
| It is what is true and what is not. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I believe you. | ||
| I absolutely believe that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The liquid death thing was he lied about plastic. | ||
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He did. | |
| And when you cut this thing open, it's because I didn't get to say it earlier because I was talking too much, which I still am. | ||
| With plastic. | ||
| When you cut this thing open, it's a plastic bag. | ||
| And it says death of plastic on it. | ||
| And not just that, but they said that profits go to help kill plastic pollution. | ||
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That's interesting lawyered wording that wasn't on the cans originally, isn't it? | |
| Like, stop, stop. | ||
| So the issue that I see. | ||
| That's why you should drink pool water. | ||
| Pool water is 100% artesian water. | ||
| I don't know what artesian is, but it's on a lot of expensive stuff, so you should buy this. | ||
| So Candace tweeted out that you should not donate to this godforsaken organization. | ||
| They've got 5,000 people in the bank. | ||
| They've got 5,000 million in the bank. | ||
| They don't need any more money. | ||
| Especially not to lie to Americans. | ||
| Sorry, I shouldn't. | ||
| But they offered to speak with her. | ||
| And she said that she didn't. | ||
| But they lost that too. | ||
| They lost that. | ||
| And we called her bluff and cheese. | ||
| No, we've got mutual friends, and I'll tell you who they are after the show. | ||
| And I'm sincerely sorry I can't do it. | ||
| I know that I have to do this sometimes because you, like me, know a lot of people, and you just can't say everything you know. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You can't because it blows up friendships and things that really matter later. | ||
| Well, I end up saying everything anyway. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| But I'm not doing it now. | ||
| But we have friends in common, and I'll tell you who they are, two of them, who told her, who are turning point people, who are tight with turning point, who told them they're losing and they're getting it wrong. | ||
| And that's what I think too. | ||
| She's winning. | ||
| She's obviously winning. | ||
| Yes, and you're totally correct on the political dimension. | ||
| But the question at the end is, why did somebody or whoever is behind it murder Charlie Kirk? | ||
| And that's when we should actually get to the point where you can't. | ||
| I'm totally fine with asking questions. | ||
| I do not. | ||
| I feel like Candice is just making up stories out of the world. | ||
| She is. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm not saying, I'm not going to say because I don't know that Candace has arrived at the right answer today or that she will do in a month, but I can tell you that. | ||
| She's not even trying. | ||
| That's the issue that I have. | ||
| That I don't agree with. | ||
| Look, Candace is the one person in public life, the one, because it was not Erica, who has exhibited genuine heartbreak and grief over. | ||
| Okay, hold on. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Time in with the timeout. | ||
| Charlie, go, time out. | ||
| I can't tell you. | ||
| You cannot be the judge of that. | ||
| That is not fair to Eric. | ||
| I got to point myself to it. | ||
| And everybody agrees. | ||
| But you can't be the judge of that. | ||
| You can't talk about grieving. | ||
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No. | |
| Milo, you're wrong. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| No, but you're the judge. | ||
| And they have to be afraid of the current. | ||
| Judging a widow's camera. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's an honest question. | ||
| Has Candace cried on camera at any of these shows? | ||
| It's an honest question. | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| It's a flippant and silly answer, but I know that she has cried a lot. | ||
| I know that because I'm not denying they were great friends. | ||
| I'll tell you what I think. | ||
| She is. | ||
| It is certainly true that in recent years there was a drifting of a turning point in Candace and perhaps something of a drifting between turning point, excuse me, between Charlie and Candace. | ||
| Maybe it was the pressure from his donors that we now know he was speaking about later just before his death, saying that was the reason it was pushing him anti-Israel. | ||
| Maybe he was initially convinced to distance himself from Candace as a result of the pressure we know for a fact because they confirmed it. | ||
| I'm going to give you a hard example. | ||
| I'm going to give you a hard example. | ||
| She's the only ride or die homegirl for that man and she is the only person who ever has. | ||
| I'm going to give you a specific example from her show. | ||
| She highlighted claims that Turning Point was committing fraud. | ||
| And these claims were, there were a few. | ||
| It was about the tax something, right? | ||
| Right, and it's all lies. | ||
| The tax form thing is all lies and manipulations. | ||
| When you say lies, let me let me, yes, absolute lies. | ||
| The man behind these videos claims to be an accountant. | ||
| Okay, so either he's lying about being an accountant or he's lying to you. | ||
| He said the tax forms were missing, as if to imply they did not file or they should have. | ||
| They had not filed yet. | ||
| In fact, they filed. | ||
| He even mentions, I'm pretty sure in his video, the October deadline is not a good thing. | ||
| Isn't it true that they filed on the day? | ||
| I don't know exactly. | ||
| And isn't it true that when he said that they hadn't filed yet? | ||
| No. | ||
| Was there a way for him to know they had filed? | ||
| Because there is an enormous gap between when you file your taxes and when it shows up on the IRS website. | ||
| Indeed, which means they could have filed it in May. | ||
| So in order to say that it is a lie, what you have to do is... | ||
| No, no, no, I'm not done. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Yes, you're right, you're right, right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So in his latest video, he claims that the new filings, which quote, mysteriously appeared, which they literally didn't. | ||
| I mean, it's framing. | ||
| He says that $1.4 million was paid by turning point over three years to a parking lot. | ||
| In fact, that's just false. | ||
| He's just making things up. | ||
| It was 110 LLC registered to a UPS store where there are mailboxes. | ||
| A single member LLC is likely a contractor who uses an LLC for business purposes. | ||
| And these are the stories. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm not going to tell you, because I haven't looked into this, that he's not wrong. | ||
| He's completely wrong. | ||
| And so I accept what you say. | ||
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But when Candace is going to be able to call him a liar, it's not about calling him a liar. | |
| He's intentionally manipulating information. | ||
| Most importantly, to call Candace a liar, you have to do two things that you cannot do. | ||
| The first is you have to travel in time. | ||
| And the second is you have to reach inside her head and see what her thought process was. | ||
| Is Candace smart? | ||
| Can you seriously doubt it? | ||
| Can I agree that? | ||
| Can you seriously doubt it? | ||
| Let me tell you why I default to liar. | ||
| I'm going to be really honest with you. | ||
| I didn't used to think she was brilliant. | ||
| I'll tell you why I default a liar. | ||
| I've met her. | ||
| I've been on her show. | ||
| She's been on my show. | ||
| She's a genius. | ||
| She is quick-witted and well-read. | ||
| So when she sees someone make a stupid statement like tax forms mysteriously disappeared, there's no way I believe she ignorantly just posted a falsehood. | ||
| She heard about the atom bomb. | ||
| I mean, like, people, geniuses can make moral mistakes. | ||
| Geniuses can make research mistakes. | ||
| In fact, let's try this. | ||
| Most of the time. | ||
| I thought UTC meant Utah time. | ||
| She posted her own lawyer's address. | ||
| In fact, how about this? | ||
| The feds work at her lawyer's office. | ||
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It is perfectly normal for her feds to be working at the same time. | |
| For a big office building to contain multiple companies. | ||
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And when they do so, lawyers didn't vet that the cars actually went to the airport. | |
| When they do so, it is extremely normal for lawyers to share offices with government departments. | ||
| She did not vet at the planes at the airport. | ||
| She actually loaded up cars and went to that building. | ||
| She made that up. | ||
| You're not going to hear from me that she's got everything right. | ||
| I'm not here to say that. | ||
| Endless. | ||
| Clearly, that's not the case. | ||
| But first of all, I believe that she is motivated by a sincere desire to find out what happened to Charlie Cook. | ||
| Second, we don't know. | ||
| We still don't know because they are telling untruths about it. | ||
| I know for a fact, for an absolute fact, that Charlie has not been buried yet. | ||
| I know for an absolute, incontrovertible fact, he's not buried yet. | ||
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Why? | |
| Why? | ||
| There's no good reason for it. | ||
| I know for a fact. | ||
| I'm going to tell you. | ||
| You know that my faith is sincere. | ||
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I hope. | |
| Right. | ||
| You know that I thanks for leaving that. | ||
| Thanks for leaving the silence there. | ||
| No, I hope that you understand I'm a sincere person. | ||
| I swear on my little boy I lost. | ||
| I swear, cat, not person, but you know, I swear on God, on the Blessed Mother, I swear on Jesus Christ. | ||
| I know for an incontrovertible fact that Charlie has not been buried yet. | ||
| There's no good reason for that. | ||
| None whatsoever. | ||
| Unless some trickery is afoot. | ||
| Because and they're telling people, oh, it's because we're planning to build a giant mausoleum. | ||
| Well, you put together the biggest political event in the last hundred years in three days. | ||
| Where's the mausoleum, girl? | ||
| Sorry, no. | ||
| I know for a fact. | ||
| He has not been buried. | ||
| He has not been buried. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because people are asking them. | ||
| They're saying, I want to go pay my respects to Charlie Cook. | ||
| I can go visit Nietzsche. | ||
| I can visit Karl Marx. | ||
| Why can't I visit Charlie Cook? | ||
| Where is he buried? | ||
| Where is his gravestone? | ||
| And you better have a damn good reason why he's not buried yet. | ||
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Do you have anything to do with that? | |
| And I genuinely mean it when I say that I would appreciate it. | ||
| I would prefer it if you are the face of skepticism towards Turning Point USA. | ||
| But nobody else is doing it. | ||
| She's the only one. | ||
| So how dare anybody give her a shit of this? | ||
| Like, how do you give a shit? | ||
| She's the only one. | ||
| She's the only one endless. | ||
| She is the only one with a massive platform who has devoted to Bridget Macron being a man and Blake lively drama. | ||
| Absolutely agree with Bridget McCrone. | ||
| 100%. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Wait, you're saying Bridget Macron's a man? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| They can have the best. | ||
| I'm not interested in this. | ||
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I mean, I'm not interested in any of where this is going to be. | |
| Let's change this. | ||
| I am not interested in active lawsuit on that side. | ||
| I'm not interested in this industry. | ||
| I am not interested. | ||
| And the issue is this. | ||
| You said before, if I'm not winning, why am I here? | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| My point is, if I am not wanted, I don't want to be here. | ||
| But you are wanted. | ||
| And you're more than wanted. | ||
| You're necessary. | ||
| But you're getting pissed off because people don't agree with you. | ||
| And that's not okay. | ||
| That's not why I'm pissed off. | ||
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Yeah, it is. | |
| No, My motivation for going against Jack Dorsey was not that people didn't agree with you. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| In fact, everybody agreed with me. | ||
| I said that I admired what you did with him and I admired what you did with Liquid Death. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| don't love what happened here so and now i think there's a mistake here as as there's been an increase in the questions around what candace is doing and i have increasingly been critical of what she's doing over the past few months and she crossed the line with these vague listen i'll put it like this uh in in the Most of my life, I grew up around the hacking community and computer nerds. | ||
| And the thing that I focused on was called social engineering. | ||
| Are you familiar with hackers? | ||
| Of course, yeah, of course. | ||
| So I was staying at a hacker space. | ||
| I run security for you, so I, yes. | ||
| And so I ended up working for nonprofits, doing fundraising. | ||
| Communications, manipulation is the principal function of hacking in general. | ||
| Most times someone's breaking into a computer, they're not actually doing code. | ||
| No, they persuaded somebody to give them. | ||
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Right. | |
| I'm watching Candace do all of the basic components of social engineering. | ||
| And this is tech support. | ||
| Would you mind clicking on this link so I can show you my screen and fix your problem? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And Candace Owens is doing the lowest grade, but well done, social assumptive reasoning, manipulation, and it is evil. | ||
| It's evil. | ||
| Okay, so I think it's ridiculous for you earlier on to claim that you're not saying what she's doing is morally wrong and then to call what she's doing evil. | ||
| I think it's disagreeing. | ||
| I think it is morally. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| So you said earlier that you said. | ||
| No, When I said she talks about her text with Charlie, I didn't call that evil. | ||
| I said she's allowed to share her text with Charlie. | ||
| And I said, this is an example of a show that's female-coded and a lot of women want to watch. | ||
| People will rewind and make their own judgments about that. | ||
| And that's what I've consistently said. | ||
| But I'll tell you what. | ||
| When I bump into some young men who are Gen Z, and the first thing, so here's what happens. | ||
| These three young guys, one guy says to me, oh, hey, you're the podcast. | ||
| You're Tim Poole. | ||
| And then his buddy goes, who's he? | ||
| And he's like, he's got a big podcast. | ||
| He's like, like, you know, Trump interviewed Trump. | ||
| The guy then says, do you know, oh, what do you think about Candace? | ||
| And I said, what about her? | ||
| And he goes, she went into hiding because they're trying to kill her. | ||
| And I said, you mean she took Thanksgiving off? | ||
| But she makes these tweets that resulted in viral posts. | ||
| She knows she's doing it when she says, our show is off the air as an update. | ||
| The White House has confirmed her seat of the plot against me. | ||
| You keep claiming interior knowledge of her mental state, which you do not possess and cannot possess. | ||
| I am not going to play this game. | ||
| I am not going to play this game where you're like, well, she's insinuated literally every fucking time some nefarious bullshit, but she didn't explicitly say it. | ||
| So I'm too stupid. | ||
| I'm not going to believe it. | ||
| I'm not playing a game with you. | ||
| I'm really not. | ||
| But I am saying that I have heard you tell people on this show that they cannot have knowledge of somebody else's interior mental state. | ||
| I've heard you say it. | ||
| Why do you claim you have it? | ||
| That point is specifically about Donald Trump. | ||
| And my point was, in certain areas, Trump lies about really stupid things. | ||
| Does yeah, and then when it comes to you know high-level foreign policy stuff, he'll get something wrong, but they'll always default to a lie. | ||
| It might be a lie, it might not be, but the media defaulting to it. | ||
| Now, the issue is you are making my point for me. | ||
| No, I'm making the point that when Candace now when Candace makes a tweet that intentionally you can't say that, right? | ||
| Because if it's if she referenced a tweet that was a lie, but she thinks it's true, he's not lying. | ||
| I'm gonna go ahead and say, I do respect your judgment actually to a point on this. | ||
| But as a literal matter of objective reality, you cannot know that. | ||
| If Donald Trump sometimes lies and sometimes doesn't, my point is we try to parse out when we think he's lying and when we think he's not. | ||
| And if Candace is doing what is considered to be a basic social activity, you're going a bit further than that, though, with Candace now, aren't you? | ||
| No, you are. | ||
| You're saying what she's doing is evil. | ||
| what I think is evil is the big picture that somebody, I'm not talking about a singular action that somebody heard a man who, look, when she put Charlie Kirk's Spotify playlist up, my first thought was that is not the Spotify playlist of a heterosexual man. | ||
| My second thought was, why would it's just not. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's Nikki Minaj and Lord. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| Straight men don't know that shit. | ||
| They just don't. | ||
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Let me put a waiting to see if anyone's like, hey, I like straight men are not bopping along to Monster. | |
| I'm just bopped a monster. | ||
| So, right, so let me say this. | ||
| The second thing that occurred to me was Candace having the intimate purchase on him that she obviously feels and feels at a threat and at risk. | ||
| Like, it's, I know, I've stayed with her down in, I've been there down with in Tennessee. | ||
| We didn't get on. | ||
| I have no reason to be nice about Candace. | ||
| None. | ||
| She tried to get me fired from EZ when she didn't know that I was doing, I was, I was working in the bus's best interest. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| She went in hard trying to get Yay Connie West to fire me. | ||
| And it was over the course of months. | ||
| I have no reason to be nice about her. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| None. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| But on this issue, I have more sympathy with her than I do with the other side because I see someone, in my view, sincerely searching for the truth. | ||
| Is everything she says correct? | ||
| No. | ||
| Is she carpet bombing the world with lies? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| When she said this feels like an inside job. | ||
| It does. | ||
| What does? | ||
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It does. | |
| What does the conspiracy of silence? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's my trick on this show, okay? | ||
| That's my thing. | ||
| What's considered to be a significant thing? | ||
| Someone else is getting to a good point. | ||
| That's my thing. | ||
| Again, let me point this out. | ||
| The astronomically adequate explanations given, in my view, for the actions before, at, and after Charlie's death and the behavior afterwards from both the federal government and turning point executives. | ||
| You think nothing of his deeply, deeply sinister wife. | ||
| What? | ||
| Erica? | ||
| No, he's how is she sinister? | ||
| No, Milo, Milo, please, please. | ||
| Genuine question, do you know? | ||
| No, no, hold on. | ||
| No, no, hold on. | ||
| Please, please explain to me how is Erica Kirk sinister? | ||
| Have you seen the difference in the size of her hands with Charlie's in their wedding pictures and then compared it to him in his casket? | ||
| Are you saying she's a man? | ||
| No, no, I'm saying that that wasn't Charlie in there. | ||
| What are you talking? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I'm saying there's something up. | ||
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There's something up. | |
| So you're saying he's hidden? | ||
| I'm not saying he's hidden. | ||
| I'm not saying he's alive somewhere. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But his body hasn't been buried. | ||
| Did they lose it? | ||
| It happens. | ||
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It happens. | |
| Do you think there's a possibility that Charlie is alive? | ||
| I think it's vanishingly slight. | ||
| I think it's probably the most. | ||
| Do you even give it a slight? | ||
| Of course it's possible. | ||
| And the behavior of some of the turning point people makes me wonder. | ||
| I tweeted today for the first time ever. | ||
| I didn't name him, but just thinking aloud, do you think he's still alive? | ||
| You think there's a possibility they faked his death? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But then why wouldn't Candace say something more to that degree? | ||
| It's probably the most difficult thing to prove. | ||
| So why won't Candace call out Erica? | ||
| She has. | ||
| She has. | ||
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Not only does she, as she mentioned, I mean, she's done it. | |
| Candace is the ultimate master of the tease, right? | ||
| Now you will say. | ||
| Oh, so you're agreeing with me now? | ||
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You will say, no, no, no, no. | |
| You will say that that tease is entirely dishonest, fraudulent, and manipulative, and wicked. | ||
| I think she just is the master storyteller. | ||
| The truth perhaps is in the middle. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Maybe the truth is in the middle. | ||
| We agree. | ||
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But. | |
| She's telling stories. | ||
| Stories is a news term. | ||
| And I know about that. | ||
| And stories is a news term, and that's the manner in which I meant it. | ||
| So when Ben Shapiro said that she implied Erica killed Charlie, was he wrong? | ||
| I think at that time she had not done so. | ||
| I think later there were comments that I would have to check the chronology, but I think later there were comments where I'm like, hmm. | ||
| And I read today and I did not check it out because I'm always two or three days late catching up her show, although I do watch her religiously. | ||
| That's the queen. | ||
| I'm always a couple of days behind watching on the show because I've got stuff going on. | ||
| But somebody tweeted today that Candace said that she believed that they were about to get a divorce. | ||
| I think he was gay. | ||
| And I think he was gay. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You do know that I've criticized. | ||
| I'm sorry, Tim, but why would you even go there to say something like that? | ||
| No, no, no, the man's dead. | ||
| You're calling. | ||
| Now you have to say that. | ||
| That's when people can tell the truth. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| That's when people can tell the truth. | ||
| Let me tell you why. | ||
| And if you want to read in a vindictive crusade on my part for everything I've just said, you are entitled to do so, and so are the viewers. | ||
| But I'll tell you what happened. | ||
| I'll tell what Charlie Cook did to me. | ||
| Charlie was a very brilliant, very, very brilliant organizer, fundraiser, networker. | ||
| Those three things. | ||
| Phenomenal. | ||
| Probably the best in the business, maybe. | ||
| Certainly one of the top two, three. | ||
| Amazing at those things. | ||
| But he was also very ruthless. | ||
| He was a very ruthless person who spent a long time excising and excommunicating all of the most interesting people in politics from the right wing. | ||
| He did it for a decade. | ||
| Everybody knows it. | ||
| Nobody has said it because it's not polite in the aftermath of his death. | ||
| Charlie gave a platform so many films. | ||
| Many people. | ||
| He gave a platform to lily-livered, centrist, weak frauds, faggots, and prostitutes, and drag queens. | ||
| What he also did at that same time, what he also did at that same time, and anybody in power, anybody in power, what he also did at that same time was systematically extinguish the light of anybody who could not be controlled. | ||
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And I'm one of them, and I'm going to tell you what happened. | |
| When you hear rumors about sexual impropriety about me now, most people are like, yeah, probably true. | ||
| There's a reason for that. | ||
| Charlie. | ||
| When I was at the height of my fame, the height of my popularity, Charlie made up a rumor that I was having sex with children on campuses, underage boys on college campuses, and I was selling them drugs. | ||
| And he did that because there was no other way they could seize a monopoly on college campuses because I was just so totally dominant. | ||
| And they didn't have anybody in the influencer line because at that time, Charlie was a really shitty speaker. | ||
| He got a lot better towards the end. | ||
| I think he got a lot better man towards the end, honestly. | ||
| I think having kids really changed him, if I'm honest. | ||
| But at that time, very ruthless person. | ||
| And they had nobody that could go up against me. | ||
| He made up that lie. | ||
| He forced every turning point chapter. | ||
| And everybody, everybody has heard 20 instances where Turning Point has canceled somebody. | ||
| Everybody knows 20 times it's happened. | ||
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All right. | |
| Happened to Ashley Sinclair, for God's sake. | ||
| Happened to everyone. | ||
| It happened to most of us. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Most of us. | ||
| Most of us. | ||
| You have walked a very fine line. | ||
| And because of the broadness and because of the mission that you're on, you've escaped the wrath of Turning Point. | ||
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I haven't. | |
| Oh, you haven't? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They disinvited us. | ||
| Little recently. | ||
| Ah, well, yeah. | ||
| That's the DNA of the organization. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| That's what it does. | ||
| It is a thermostat. | ||
| A thermostat is a control device. | ||
| Well, a thermostat's job is to monitor the temperature. | ||
| And if it gets too hot or too cold, to make an adjustment, to do something to force the temperature. | ||
| And why are they losing? | ||
| Back where it should be. | ||
| Because it worked for a very long time. | ||
| But it did not work in the wake of their most audacious misstep, which is what we don't know about Charlie Cook's death. | ||
| There's something. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| I don't know if Candace is right. | ||
| Why can't we just explain it? | ||
| But there's something. | ||
| Now, let me just fit. | ||
| Let me say, you know what? | ||
| I have Charlie on tape telling chapter presidents that if they book me, and this is 2016, 2017, okay? | ||
| If they book me, he will dissolve their chapters. | ||
| And he did it on the basis of an outrageous, utterly untrue lie. | ||
| I was married by then. | ||
| I was like, so stupid. | ||
| I was completely in love with that guy. | ||
| I have a completely faithful marriage. | ||
| It was utterly untrue. | ||
| And he used it to extinguish me on campuses. | ||
| I was canceled immediately after Brooklyn. | ||
| So it looks like I went out at the height of my fame. | ||
| But as you know, there's a lag, right? | ||
| And I had a tour booked up to Berkeley, but for nine months prior to that, I couldn't get booked anywhere. | ||
| Because the smart thing to do when you're like that is to book next year, now, right? | ||
| I couldn't book anywhere. | ||
| And I found out, and I have evidence, I have the tapes, more than one, that he made up that lie to seize a monopoly on college campuses. | ||
| And it worked. | ||
| And he told people that I was having sex with Andre students and that I was selling them drugs. | ||
| Now, I can understand why I might buy drugs from a student. | ||
| So it was a particularly stupid lie, although I didn't. | ||
| I can understand why, you know, I'm not going to tell you I didn't have a line of Adderall at a frat party. | ||
| I'm not going to tell you that. | ||
| I'm sure I did. | ||
| I know I did. | ||
| I remember I did. | ||
| I remember doing it. | ||
| But never in a million years did any money change hands for anything like that. | ||
| And never in a million years did I have any sexual contact with any student at any university on my tour. | ||
| You can't produce one. | ||
| Nobody's ever been able to. | ||
| But Charlie told everybody that's what I was doing on my bus tour. | ||
| And so when, you know, we talk about this, when we lionize this figure, it's important to remember what we're doing. | ||
| Charlie Cook was very effective for Trump, no question. | ||
| And the reason I didn't go after Charlie, and you know what I'm like, the reason I didn't go after Charlie, to tell you the truth, is that I thought he was a net positive for the country. | ||
| And I thought he was valuable to Trump. | ||
| I didn't think it was in anybody's interest to do so. | ||
| And I was like, I guess you would say I was biding my time, right? | ||
| And I said, and I tweeted once, don't ever stop being useful, Charlie. | ||
| But that lie fed into the lie they told later, or the mischievous or malicious edit of whatever, and started what became my excision from public life. | ||
| It cost me hundreds of millions of dollars. | ||
| Have you heard what I've said? | ||
| Hundreds of millions of dollars. | ||
| Have you heard what I've said about Turning Point? | ||
| Yes, they've come for you now too. | ||
| No, hold on, hold on. | ||
| Well, just a moment ago, but specifically. | ||
| I don't recall your whole in it. | ||
| It's probably appeared in Axios and the Washington Post and maybe the Daily Mail at this point. | ||
| They are attempting to reorient around Bush-era Republicanism. | ||
| True. | ||
| Neoconservative. | ||
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| And this means they have to excise coalition members on the right. | ||
| True. | ||
| And so, now you're getting to the good stuff because now you're seeing that. | ||
| And let me go on. | ||
| I went to, I got a call from Andrew Colvett. | ||
| And he asked me if I could come out and co-host Charlie's show. | ||
| And I said, it's really hard to do. | ||
| The only really we can do is if we do Tim Castle Turning Point like we've done before. | ||
| You know, they had to zip. | ||
| And his chair to the desk so none of the people left would sit in his chair. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Let me tell you this. | ||
| Because every single bitch there was desperate to leap into his chair. | ||
| They zip-tied his chair to the people. | ||
| Let me tell you what happened. | ||
| Because Andrew Colvett would have been in that chair faster than you can say. | ||
| Let me tell you what happened. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So ask him right now. | ||
| So let me say, go ask everybody at Turning Point. | ||
| Go to that desk and take a photo of it right now. | ||
| Maybe they zip it in the last month or so. | ||
| Maybe the zip tie is going to come off any second, but they zip-tied it the week he died within 48 hours of his death. | ||
| I have also heard the same thing. | ||
| I was standing there. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| So let me tell you, Milo, let me finish. | ||
| You've heard it too. | ||
| Yeah, from several people. | ||
| Right, me too. | ||
| Let me tell you what happened. | ||
| So we went down and I did my morning show in Arizona. | ||
| We did Timcast IRL from Turning Point and I did Charlie's show and then we combined Thought Crime with Timcast. | ||
| And when we were there, I asked Colvet and another guy, what's the plan for AmFest, right? | ||
| We've done the same slot for three years in a row. | ||
| They bring us out. | ||
| I assume that you paid them quite a lot of money. | ||
| No. | ||
| They invite you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I've never paid to be there. | ||
| I don't mean to say that to cost dispersions. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| With Turning Point, usually money is changing hands one more time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You pay to be on stage for a lot of these people. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| We need to do that, but I'm just going to say that. | ||
| We were considered to be one of their core media partners or something, right? | ||
| No, a big get, right? | ||
| For Charlie, the idea was we have a more moderate urban liberal audience that shifted rightward, and he wanted coalition, right? | ||
| I would imagine, well, I know that a large slice of your audience comes from the Gamergate metal hinterland with the music that you both like and with the kind of online nerd culture and certain pockets that maybe drifted right over the last 15 years. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So my understanding from what Charlie said, from what Andrew said, is that Charlie valued the audience we have because it was an audience they couldn't reach. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| So us being on stage was valuable to them. | ||
|
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Absolutely correct. | |
| So when I asked them. | ||
| How would Turning Point ever reach Ian? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They'd thrive every time. | ||
| And so let me finish. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| I'm curious your thoughts on all this. | ||
| I'll tell you where we're at. | ||
| I'm introducing you. | ||
| And I'll give a little bit of the more nitty-gritty details on everything that's going on because I'm kind of just a little jaded. | ||
| So while we were there, this is the beginning of October, I asked them what the plan was for Amfest, and they said nothing's changed. | ||
| The plan is the same. | ||
| And I said, okay, fantastic. | ||
| Andrew said, it is rough, you know, because you guys are on stage for a long time. | ||
| I said, anything you need from us to accommodate, we can shorten the show. | ||
| I understand it's rough now with Charlie. | ||
| It's a bit chaotic. | ||
| Who would say anything else? | ||
| So two weeks go by. | ||
| My booker, you know, Lisa's reaching out to them. | ||
| And I'm texting. | ||
| Shout out, Bob Bunas. | ||
| And we're told, we'll get back to you. | ||
| I texted Jack Pisobic and Colvett, and Colvett doesn't respond. | ||
| And Jack texts back saying, I talked with Andrew. | ||
| He says, give him a bit. | ||
| He's working on it. | ||
| And then finally, it was three, I think it was three, what was it? | ||
| On Tuesday, I put up the video saying we're not going. | ||
| So it was the Friday before then when I had made a video saying what Candace is doing is I had said on IRL. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| What is this part of the story? | ||
| I said, what she has been doing is demoralizing because right now the focus is. | ||
| I don't completely disagree with that. | ||
| The focus that I'm looking at for news is there's this coalition. | ||
| I don't consider myself to be anyone's leader or anything. | ||
| I'm a guy who complains on the internet. | ||
| But how are we going to win these midterms? | ||
| And the Virginia defeat, all of these stuff, people are getting blackpilled. | ||
| People are turning out of politics. | ||
| And then she starts doing this mystery style, you know, true crime-ish show. | ||
| I called it demoralizing that she's making insinuations of Turning Point because Turning Point united these coalitions. | ||
| I get a message from Colvet, and I guess I'll just go full bore and I'll just spill all of the beans. | ||
| I probably shouldn't have said the zip tie thing, so let's do it. | ||
| Yeah, he basically said, he hits me up saying, it's a rock in a hard place. | ||
| I'm paraphrasing. | ||
| They have to book one of their longest term shows. | ||
| That's not what he's talking about. | ||
| I got a text about if Turning Point decides to actually engage Candace because they did, it blows up in their face. | ||
| And so I called him, and I talked to him and said, listen, right, I'm not doing this for anybody. | ||
| My opinions are my opinions. | ||
| I was like, I don't know what you guys have going on or what you should or shouldn't do, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And the general idea was in the conversation is like When Candace came out and said, here are text messages from Charlie, and he came out the next day immediately and said, yes, those were, we gave them to law enforcement, it blew up in their face. | ||
| The story got 100 times worse. | ||
| And so they immediately recoiled and said, okay, there's nothing we can say to convince anybody of anything. | ||
| So let's just not say anything. | ||
| That was the general concept. | ||
| At the end of that conversation, I said, look, I got to get back to recording. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| And he goes, listen. | ||
| You know, because of the hurtful things you said, we weren't planning on having you here this year. | ||
| But if you still wanted to come, would you be open to doing it? | ||
| And I said, of course. | ||
| And he's like, okay, it's a heavy lift. | ||
| Let me see if I can make it happen. | ||
| It's a big undertaking for you. | ||
| So let me tell you where we go from here. | ||
| So I get off the phone with him and I said, so he explicitly just told me that the past months of hold on, we're working on it was literally, actually, we already filled your slot and we weren't going to invite you and we didn't tell you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So I was a bit pissed. | ||
| They do that to suspend criticism. | ||
| So what happens is like Fox hires people to create patients who might otherwise be a threat to Marquee Talon. | ||
| So come Monday, I have also, at the same time, got a request from the World Poker Tour. | ||
| And they asked if I would like to be involved in one of their promotional influencer streams with a bunch of high-profile personalities. | ||
| I said, we are going to be at Amfest on the 18th and 19th. | ||
| So that means I can only be there. | ||
| And it's on the 17th. | ||
| I said, okay, that works. | ||
| We'll drive from there. | ||
| But we have to do Tim Cast IRL from this place. | ||
| Do you have a studio? | ||
| They said, yes, we do. | ||
| When do you need it? | ||
| I said, well, we're not confirmed for Amfest yet. | ||
| Colvett says he's working on it. | ||
| Let me see if I can get a confirmation from them so I can tell you when we need the studio. | ||
| Colvett responds to Lisa saying, we're full. | ||
| That's the issue. | ||
| We are working on it, though. | ||
| And he said, that's the answer you get at any point at this time. | ||
| So here's what I said. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| So immediately, when I get this message midday, I get pissed. | ||
| Because I'm saying, you're full. | ||
| Okay, it's Monday. | ||
| I got to give these guys in Vegas an answer. | ||
| If they didn't want to have me there, that's fine. | ||
| But it costs money to lead people on like this. | ||
| It's enormously citty behavior. | ||
| And now we're booking late. | ||
| So at this point, I'm like, I can't even get hotels for my staff. | ||
| The prices are going to be really high. | ||
| It's a bitch. | ||
| So at this point, I said, Lisa, like, what's going on? | ||
| She's like, here's what he said. | ||
| They're working on it. | ||
| And I said, no. | ||
| We're out. | ||
| So I'm a nice guy. | ||
| So I hit up Jack Poseobic. | ||
| I hit up Benny Johnson. | ||
| I hit up a couple other people. | ||
| And I said, guys, I'm not coming. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't want to be a dick to any of you. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| You don't need me there. | ||
| And the general response was, no, hold on, hold on. | ||
| We're going to figure something out. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| At this point, if this is the managerial decisions that Turning Point had made up to this point, I have no problem not being invited. | ||
| It's not my party. | ||
| But understand, for months, we've been asking. | ||
| I've been texting. | ||
| You're led on. | ||
| You're let on. | ||
| So I immediately reached out to WPT and said, guys, we are on for the full week and we've booked some very high-profile guests that are going to be on the show and we won't be going to Amfest. | ||
| And then I made a video. | ||
| And after I do, my phone blows up from Turning Point. | ||
| People being like, no, no, why would you do that? | ||
| And here's what I'll say. | ||
| This is what they do. | ||
| The only reason they led me on was because they didn't want me to make a video saying we weren't going to be going there. | ||
| What I just said. | ||
| So they waited until it was the very last minute. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Then when they come back and say, you know what, Tim, we've changed our mind. | ||
| You can come. | ||
| It's putting me in a position where it's too difficult to do and I have prior commitments. | ||
| Why should you do that if you spent a dollar based on their deliberate admitted lies? | ||
| So there's a few things to Charlie, for instance. | ||
| There's a few things I have to consider, and that's I am not going to be able to do it. | ||
| I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| You should trust them over Candice for sure. | ||
| I don't trust her either. | ||
| But I'm not sure. | ||
| Clearly, you should trust them over Candace. | ||
| And the funny thing is, I was saying this before, or at the same time, I'm criticizing Candace. | ||
| My point is that now, what am I going to do? | ||
| Am I going to take him up on their invite, spend extra money, show up? | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Now, I have friends. | ||
| I think Jack Brissop is a really good guy. | ||
| He's a good friend. | ||
| He's a friend of the show. | ||
| It's worth saying about Jack also that he is on the periphery of turning point. | ||
| They've never offered him an official position. | ||
| He doesn't work for them. | ||
| He's not paid by them. | ||
| He's one of their, he's close. | ||
| He's close with them. | ||
| But he's still classified because I do know Jack as well a little bit. | ||
| And he's still classified merely as an influencer of theirs, merely as an ambassador or something, right? | ||
| They have since come out and continually offered to bring us out, make something work. | ||
| And I've said no. | ||
| Absolutely right. | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
| Absolutely right. | ||
| You have some dignity, like no. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you my emotional state right now. | ||
| I think that I've had a lot of conversation with high-profile business people in the podcasting space, big CEOs. | ||
| And you know what they all say? | ||
| They say, Tim, if you say what we want you to say, you'll be the biggest show in the country. | ||
| I've had those conversations. | ||
| You have the work ethic. | ||
| Long time ago, but yes. | ||
| Your ability to talk off script and just nail these points. | ||
| Let us guide you with guardrails. | ||
| I know that what you're saying is absolutely factually true because 10 years ago, I had the same conversations with some of the same people. | ||
| And my response is, I'm not interested in that. | ||
| Good for you, man. | ||
| And so it's no surprise. | ||
| My faith in you was not misplaced. | ||
| It's no surprise that we get. | ||
| He didn't phone it in. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| You love saying that people phoned it in. | ||
| He didn't phone it in. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| Sorry, I forgot you were here. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| So, let me let me put Milo. | ||
| Let's. | ||
| I'm actually. | ||
| I'm actually. | ||
| I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I'm really happy to hear that, bro. | ||
| I don't care about the cameras right now. | ||
| I'm actually really enjoying this conversation with you. | ||
| Me too, me too. | ||
| Yeah, this feels cathartic. | ||
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Me too. | |
| I could tell. | ||
| This is a different tone from some of the frustration I've heard you express in the rest of the week. | ||
| And me too, by the way, because nobody really knows what I think about anything. | ||
| Let me burn every bridge I can and Elmo in the fire. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Well, don't do it just because I'm here. | ||
| No, it's because this is my current emotional state. | ||
| The first thing I'll say about what these producers and these CEOs come to me, they say, Tim, you say too much. | ||
| Right? | ||
| A year ago, I went on my show and said, I want to quit. | ||
| I'm sick of this shit. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And they said, Are you an idiot? | ||
| They said, You're sitting on a company that brings in over 10 million every year. | ||
| If we only just did this, we could make it 100. | ||
| And then if that's. | ||
| Let us take it over. | ||
| Give us the button. | ||
| So when you start farting on stream like a moron, we kill the show. | ||
| Bring you back. | ||
| And so I said, you know, if I want to go on my show and have an emotional meltdown, that's who I am. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Maybe my show would be bigger if I went more mainline and didn't call people out, burn bridges. | ||
| I know that's true. | ||
| I know that your show would be bigger because I've spoken to some of the people that spoke to you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Now, with my job in entertainment, I have a bit more clout than I used to. | ||
| And I know who some of them are, and I'm not going to name their names. | ||
| So it's up to you to do what you want to do. | ||
| But I have spoken to people who spoke to you. | ||
| And I'll be honest with you, I heard the same thing from them. | ||
| And I thought, that's my guy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I'll tell you exactly what they would have told me. | ||
| Tim, don't say anything about Candace. | ||
| They would have said, I don't care how you feel. | ||
| What is the upside for your business? | ||
| And my response is, I didn't start doing this to make a business. | ||
| I kind of just complain about things. | ||
| But you're not malleable, so you're not a value to them after you tell them that. | ||
| Indeed, absolutely. | ||
| So there are personalities out there that you know what I'm going to do? | ||
| I'm going to throw some shit. | ||
| How we do that? | ||
| Brandon Tatum. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Oh, please, please. | ||
| Feed it directly into my brain. | ||
| He canceled on us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He once canceled on us because we're actually at turning point. | ||
| And I bumped it. | ||
| Names I can't even say on this show. | ||
| I bumped it. | ||
| And I love all of them. | ||
| His truck's not paid off. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So he pulled that money from Israel and he still hasn't paid his truck off. | ||
| So let me tell you the story. | ||
| And these are the things they say don't say because there's no reason to say it. | ||
| You're going to burn bridges and people are fans. | ||
| So I bumped into him backstage at Turning Point and he said something like, Hey, man, I'll see you tomorrow. | ||
| And I was like, oh, are you coming on the show? | ||
| And he was like, yeah. | ||
| And I was like, awesome, dude. | ||
| It'll be great to have you. | ||
| So he canceled right away. | ||
| And apparently I was told that he was offended that I didn't know he was booked. | ||
| And I said, I have a booker who does this. | ||
| I don't know who's booked. | ||
| That is a black thing. | ||
| Okay, well, the reason I bring this up is not, I'm now just kind of throwing shade because I am. | ||
| And I don't really have that much to say about him other than like that was a bad experience. | ||
| But the overt pro-Israel stuff that he posts. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| It's so counterproductive. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| And there's a lot of people doing this. | ||
| It reminds me, doesn't it remind you of the DeSantis supporters who lost the nomination? | ||
| So, Milo, let's have a therapy session and I'll tell you what I'm thinking. | ||
| We've got a handful of right-wing influencers who were caught getting paid to promote India, sugary drinks, and gambling websites. | ||
| Elijah, India. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And there are people like Brandon Tatum who make the most. | ||
| When people say 7K, I'm just like, bro, with all due respect, his posts are so over-the-top pro-Israel and effective. | ||
| Well, no, he should be paid less. | ||
| They're terrible. | ||
| He is kind of, it's funny. | ||
| He came out to support Candace. | ||
| I didn't see that coming actually. | ||
| Black thing. | ||
| But I thought it was interesting, an interesting alliance or temporary alliance because he's like inverse Candace, like where she is a genius, like media mastermind. | ||
| He's the dumbest. | ||
| I'm not going to say the word. | ||
| I've never seen anybody like get. | ||
| I don't want to get too specific on an individual. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Some of the behavior that I've seen. | ||
| No, I'm not trying to have to. | ||
| I'm saying I want to have a broader idea conversation. | ||
| We can complain about people. | ||
| But basically, what I'm seeing is tons of people that are clearly getting paid to promote Israel. | ||
| It's vomitous. | ||
| Tons of people who are getting busted doing these cringe campaigns. | ||
| They're not disclosing. | ||
| Vomitous. | ||
| People who are chasing the dragon on the anti-Israel stuff, largely irrational. | ||
| And Candace is a component of this. | ||
| The vagaries of her show is demoralizing. | ||
| And when I look at the field of conservatives and I say, I am putting myself at risk with death threats, with having to hire security for everything I do. | ||
| My wife can't go to the grocery store with having a security guard with her. | ||
| For these people? | ||
| Now, for the regular people, I'd crawl over broken glass. | ||
| But this space is dominated by wealthy individuals who don't pay their trucks off. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| But who they have disdain for the regular person. | ||
| And they're pushing things that people don't believe in. | ||
| George, you actually were a politician. | ||
| I know that you don't agree with what Candace says. | ||
| I know that you don't like a lot of her opinions. | ||
| What's the real, like, what's the actual cephalological electoral consequence of this universe we have with people who are maybe untouchable and ungovernable? | ||
| You would say like going wild over here. | ||
| And then a highly tightly, sinisterly, that's not a word, like controlled cabal moving like a shoal of fish over here. | ||
| What's it going to do if it's not checked? | ||
| Because my argument is we should have that. | ||
| We should have that meltdown now. | ||
| What happens if we do and what happens if we don't? | ||
| So I disagree with you. | ||
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Oh, I'm back in the conversation now. | |
| No, that's because I thought you left. | ||
| No. | ||
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I was so glad when he came out of the bathroom because I was like, that's another friendship gone. | |
| At least I'll get to eat. | ||
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I'll tweet all these tweets. | |
| I've got my notes. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| So to answer your question, look, you guys are having a great conversation. | ||
| I want to first clear this out. | ||
| I don't hate Candace. | ||
| I disagree with what she's doing. | ||
| And it's important to distinguish that. | ||
| I think she's, as Tim said, very highly intelligent. | ||
| I think she's genius status. | ||
| But your question is very simple. | ||
| I mean, we need the rogues of the world in politics. | ||
| There is a strategicness to having people, outliers like Lauren Buber, Marjorie Taylor Green. | ||
| We're both in that category. | ||
| Like myself, Matt Gates, when he was there. | ||
| There is a benefit to them because they disrupt the school of fish that you, the analogy you use, right? | ||
| So I look at it in a two-pronged situation. | ||
| I think Candace hurts everyone. | ||
| Candace puts everyone, hear me out, people like Candace who are doing what Candace is doing on an election year that is absolutely vital to the control of government. | ||
| Hold on, Milo. | ||
| You've heard that every year. | ||
| No, I'm not saying this is the most important campaign election because it's bullshit, right? | ||
| I'm not going to hear it to respect to you. | ||
| We hear that every year. | ||
| My point is, what she's doing is fracturing the base in a time where it's very sensitive. | ||
| Because what happened? | ||
| She's fracturing the base, or is she fracturing it? | ||
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She's fracturing it. | |
| No, she's not taking it. | ||
| No, she's not. | ||
| She's fracturing the base because we're having an example here. | ||
| I consider myself to be part of the base. | ||
| I know you do too. | ||
| You're on her side. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| And Tim too. | ||
| And like, you're in a room. | ||
| I don't know where everybody stands. | ||
| She's absolutely fracturing the base. | ||
| She is. | ||
| This is definitely not helping me. | ||
| It's simply my issue with it. | ||
| When I'm bumping into people, the conversation is no longer around the issues that Americans care about. | ||
| Regular people are no longer talking about how we are going to win and make this country better, but they're talking about the dumbest shit in the world. | ||
| Like I get some guy being like, what about the Bush in front of Charlie? | ||
| And it's not dumb. | ||
| And the reason it's not dumb is that this is now occupying the place that Trump made with the Epstein BS, right? | ||
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Trump made this void with Epstein. | |
| This void, the need for a grand unifying theory that explains all the mysteries of the political universe, that explains the sinister nature of our lived reality, they say. | ||
| A theory that explains that. | ||
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Trump trashed it. | |
| Instead, it's a gray. | ||
| Instead, I agree with that. | ||
| You agree? | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| The Epstein thing was a massive blunder. | ||
| By shoving Epstein out the way, he created a space for the kind of voters who need something like that in their life. | ||
| So you're saying there's a segment that want women. | ||
| Women. | ||
| By getting rid of Trump, people don't understand this. | ||
| That's the only woman in the room if she agrees with that. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You're absolutely making the correct point in what is happening, but not in what is morally correct in the end. | ||
| I think. | ||
| But do you understand what to do? | ||
| To get back to the Epstein point. | ||
| To get back to the Epstein point. | ||
| One major reason a few years ago, in 1920, why the Epstein files and this whole controversy around Perphilia and Epstein was happening was because of QAnon. | ||
| I would not say that QAnon was a net positive for the movement, even though a lot of people, they were motivated. | ||
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Right. | |
| But if they're not on QAnon, they're on something worse. | ||
| And QANON. | ||
| What is worse? | ||
| Well, what is worse? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think QAnon had any negative consequences. | ||
| So look, nobody died. | ||
| Nobody died. | ||
| But Turning Point USA helped get Trump elected and is doing massive voter drive initiatives. | ||
| And she is trying to burn it down. | ||
| I'm glad that she is because although that organization did a lot of good, it also did a lot of damage. | ||
| Are you just trying to square out your petty grievances? | ||
| And by the way, I'm sorry. | ||
| I take that back. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| They're not petty because they did fundamentally affect you as a person, but are you allowing, but they didn't just affect me? | ||
| Let me ask this. | ||
| Are you allowing your own personal experience based on what you just because it's not just about me? | ||
| It's about the hundreds of influences that they threw off a boat. | ||
| At what they did, at what cost? | ||
| At what expense? | ||
| At what cost? | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| To get President Trump. | ||
| I'm about to tell you, for short-term electoral gain, the IQ level, the IQ level of the debate on the right-wing side in this country has dropped 20 points in 15 years. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And I agree with you currently. | ||
| Yes, thanks to Candace. | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| When it became a matter of fact, it is not thanks to Candace. | ||
| It precedes Candace by a decade. | ||
| I agree with that, but Charlie did it. | ||
| Charlie did it. | ||
| Charlie did it. | ||
| He got me out. | ||
| And whatever you think about me, I talk at a certain level because I'm really fucking smart. | ||
| And he got everybody like me out too. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| And who else did he get out? | ||
| Who did he like? | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Literally everyone you like on the internet was banned by turning point at some point. | ||
| Okay, no, hold on. | ||
| Time out. | ||
| You're saying I do believe you are very intelligent. | ||
| Don't get, I'm not knocking you because I do find you to be one of the most intelligent people out there. | ||
| But at the same time, you're saying, so I take that as a slide and I'm going to stand here because I find Jack to be brilliant. | ||
| I find him brilliant. | ||
| I find him to be brilliant. | ||
| Jack has taken a very well. | ||
| Jack is very tired. | ||
| And then actually, St. Claire's another one. | ||
| You mentioned her earlier. | ||
| I find her to be brilliant with her ups and downs or whatever you want to bring out there. | ||
| She's also brilliant. | ||
| She was never really in the political act. | ||
| Yeah, she was. | ||
| I've known Ashley for years. | ||
| The two smart people. | ||
| She produced my political act. | ||
| The two smart people who are turning point adjacent and not turning point people, him and Prosobek, both have something in common. | ||
| What? | ||
| They have proceeded in their careers extremely delicately so as to build a tent rather than to pick a side over and over and over again. | ||
| Jack does it. | ||
| Jack does it behind closed doors and is a very effective operator, networker, and a journalist as a result of it. | ||
| What about Alex? | ||
| And he does it. | ||
| I just wish Alex would tell the truth about his sexuality. | ||
| But you get... | ||
| There's something about... | ||
| You've got to stop saying that. | ||
| You've got to stop saying that. | ||
| Well, we haven't got... | ||
| Everybody is not gay just because you want them to be gay. | ||
| In conservative media, yes, they are. | ||
| No, stop. | ||
| Yes, they are. | ||
| Strangely, a lot of them are. | ||
|
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No, no, no. | |
| But the ones who are are out of the world. | ||
| Who's talking? | ||
|
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I'm gay. | |
| I never said I'm not gay. | ||
| He's talking. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| One of the most distinctive characteristics. | ||
| I have a gift for you. | ||
| Here. | ||
| You need this back. | ||
| You need this. | ||
| You need this back. | ||
| And I'm giving you this. | ||
| You need this back here. | ||
| No, I'm not saying that. | ||
| Like, Milo needs this back because it's his reality. | ||
| He just. | ||
| Milo, Milo, Milo. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I want to get back to you. | ||
| I love you, but we're going to fall out for you. | ||
| I'm still a queen. | ||
| I don't care how much you're straight. | ||
| There is one of the most distinctive things about the right-wing in this country is its homosexual overtones. | ||
| Benny Johnson posts pictures of his children every two days. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| And everybody knows what went on with Benny Johnson in those lobbies and in those hotel rooms at SAS. | ||
| Everybody knows. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Men. | ||
| Younger men, not underage. | ||
| At least I don't know that. | ||
| His wife was crying drunk in the lobby three sasses in a row about how her husband was upstairs with boys. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Go ask her. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Go ask her. | ||
| Come on, Milo. | ||
| Go ask her. | ||
| Milo, aren't you ever scared of getting sued? | ||
| You say something. | ||
| I'm sitting here like, I am humbled by the lore and your ability. | ||
| Audacity. | ||
| There's no teapots in this room right now to express how I feel. | ||
| George, I have said these things about people for 20 years and never once in my career been sued. | ||
| I've issued three corrections in my entire journalistic career because I get my facts right and people know that they do not want to go. | ||
| I'm not a great discovery. | ||
| Actually, I want to say this. | ||
| I've never been sued for anything I've ever said about anyone. | ||
| The one thing I can hold myself. | ||
| I need to say this. | ||
| Because I'm right. | ||
| The most terrifying thing about Milo is that he knows all your secrets. | ||
| Oh, no, he knows everybody's lore. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| I am terrified of Milo. | ||
| I will never cross Milo. | ||
| Milo is the one person that people say, like, why are you friends with him? | ||
| Bitch knows too much. | ||
| I can't afford not to be. | ||
| He knows too much. | ||
| Nobody wants to be his enemy. | ||
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Let me just. | |
| No, do not cross this, dude. | ||
| It's not worth it. | ||
| I was going to say, I'm like, Benny told you what? | ||
| Did he get the dick out of his mouth long enough? | ||
| Oh my God, Milo. | ||
| You can't say these things. | ||
| Yes, I can because it's real and it's true. | ||
| Milo, stop. | ||
|
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You can't say it. | |
| Because you want to maintain your friendships. | ||
|
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I can say it because I feel like I never met Milo this UK. | |
| I know. | ||
| I'm trying to help him. | ||
| I'm not helping him. | ||
| I think you'll be fine. | ||
| You can't even help you. | ||
| Crank. | ||
| You just came out of jail. | ||
| I don't even got any tips from you about life. | ||
| Let's turn the volume from 11 to at least 10. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| But I want to say this. | ||
| I will just say. | ||
| When we're talking about how there's people who come to me and they say, Tim, we'll be the guardrails for you and you'll be the biggest. | ||
| Fags. | ||
| Faggotized. | ||
| What they're really saying is, Tim, when you catch someone at a convention doing blow, don't say the drugs. | ||
| Don't say the gay sex. | ||
| Don't say the bad stuff because we've made an investment in that. | ||
| That's an asset of our and we want to protect it. | ||
| Benny Johnson. | ||
| Well, I'm not saying anything about a bunch of people. | ||
| I'm just back on, Queen. | ||
| It's a king crown, actually. | ||
| A queen crown has a completely different shape. | ||
| If you look at a queen crown, it has more of a gentle slope that goes over and overlapped. | ||
| This is a king crown, and I'll take it. | ||
| And I will say the word on an airplane, but not here at all. | ||
| I think if everybody just literally said the truth. | ||
| And the fact they don't is the reason we have Candace Owens. | ||
| And what I hear from you is a is I hear, I hear a nascent club Candace subscriber. | ||
| You're not there yet. | ||
| You're not there yet. | ||
| But your grievances are her grievances. | ||
| Your grievances are my grievances. | ||
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| And I believe the problem for you, with you, excuse me, the problem for you is that you believe she's going about it the wrong way and with the wrong tactics and whatever and so on and so forth. | ||
| And you also believe that she's deliberately speaking untruths, which I don't agree with, but because I think her faith is real. | ||
| I think her faith is real. | ||
| But Milo, I got to tell you, if you know, if you. | ||
| Yep, there goes the crown. | ||
| Well, Tim, I'll tell you this. | ||
| In a vein, listen, I believe that her faith is real, and I believe that she takes seriously the consequences of knowingly lying. | ||
| I believe that, I mean, does she have the fake New York Times meticulously dishonest habit of elaborate corrections that don't actually explain why the story was a lie in the first place? | ||
| No, she doesn't do all that nonsense. | ||
| And sometimes it would be nice if she said, I'm not sure if that panned out or not. | ||
| Maybe it would. | ||
| But she knows what she's doing, and I don't. | ||
| I'm going to let her cook because I'm going to let her cook. | ||
| Because it sounds to me like you have all the same grievances as us. | ||
| You have all the same priorities as us. | ||
| You have all of the same, I don't want to say enemies, but like a lot of the same kind of like antagonists in your head as us. | ||
| You agree on who the bad guys are. | ||
| Turning point has treated you as bad as it's treated everybody else. | ||
| But there's something about Candace you just can't stomach. | ||
| And I don't believe it's her. | ||
| Well, I don't know what it is. | ||
| You know my origin story, Milo? | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| When I worked for these nonprofits, I got a job doing fundraising when I was in my early 20s working for Greenpeace, the PERG groups, ACLU, et cetera. | ||
| And I ended up moving to California and I worked for a group called Environment California. | ||
| It is, you know, you're on the street, you're waving, you're saying, hey, come talk to me about the environment. | ||
| We're going to sign you up. | ||
| And what happened was I was a nation's best fundraiser for Greenpeace, the PER Groups, a bunch of these nonprofits. | ||
| Believe it. | ||
| And so my job was: I'm going to go out and I'm going to say words to you that convince you to give me your credit card in exchange for nothing. | ||
| And so. | ||
| So you believe that you see the same strategies, the same tactics, the same 100%. | ||
| It's a lie. | ||
| So here's why I quit. | ||
| Because one day, I was on a street corner when the Deepwater Horizon accident happened. | ||
| They printed out these papers and said, this is your pitch. | ||
| Use this to sign people up. | ||
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Do you? | |
| And so I, let me finish. | ||
|
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Sorry. | |
| Sorry, sorry. | ||
| So I said, awesome, let's go do it. | ||
| And here I am thinking, I'm actually convincing people to do right. | ||
| And I went on the street, 23-year-old me, and I signed some people up and I was at Nation's Best. | ||
| You know, my buddy Mark, who works here, also, he was better than me. | ||
| And so I'm in California, and one guy goes. | ||
| What was he, Nation's best, best? | ||
| I was number five. | ||
| He was number three. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, pretty crazy. | ||
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And so there's a lot of those guys out on the street. | |
| To be fair, it fluctuates like one week. | ||
| I was just teasing. | ||
| I was just teasing. | ||
| But so this guy comes up to me and I said, hey, come over here. | ||
| Let's talk about the environment. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I gave him the pitch and he goes, you're full of shit. | ||
| And then I was like, I'm sorry. | ||
| And he goes, that's not how much oil is being spilled. | ||
| Substantially less than that. | ||
| And then I was like, this is the reporting that they give us. | ||
| Did you believe that you were being told things that were directionally correct for a greater moral purpose? | ||
| So here's what happened. | ||
| He said, you're trying to lie to me. | ||
| That's fraud. | ||
| Screw off. | ||
| And I said, okay, sorry. | ||
| I immediately took my old candy bar, Nokia, because I'm 23, and I called the office and said, I said, hey, we got a problem. | ||
| Some guy just told me that our pitch is wrong and this is not correct. | ||
| Were they heartbroken and devastated and quick to rush out corrections? | ||
| Oh, quite the inverse, which is what you can expect. | ||
| They said, don't worry, Tim, just keep using it. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| And I said, are you telling me to lie to people to convince them to give me money? | ||
| And they said, no, of course not. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And so that was the end of me working in nonprofits. | ||
| Well, so actually, I do like you. | ||
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My question is, I believe all of that 100%. | |
| Do you discount the possibility that those same tactics could be used for good? | ||
| I do not believe. | ||
| I do not believe the ends justify the means because we never meet the ends. | ||
| If you decide to create that a little bit. | ||
| Yes, if you think I'm going to make a better world by deceiving the people, you're only creating a world of deceit. | ||
| That's evil. | ||
| No, that's fair. | ||
| And so when I look at these scumbags in the corporate press and the uniparty, and all they do is lie to people to trick them into doing, you know, it's tricking them into giving up their labor to them, the value they produce. | ||
| The proper source of value in the economy, yes. | ||
| Every single one of them is vastly more dishonest than anything George has ever done. | ||
| And so someone comes to me and says, we're going to topple those evil people. | ||
| How? | ||
| We're going to be them. | ||
| I say, not interested. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Well, let me ask you this. | ||
| Probably a valid point. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Seriously. | ||
| Probably found out later those evil people weren't doing it. | ||
| But here they were. | ||
| They're all doing it. | ||
| And Candace is doing the same thing. | ||
| But I think that's exactly. | ||
| So she's a symptom of the same problem that you experienced when you were 23. | ||
| I don't know how many years ago that is. | ||
| I don't know how old you are. | ||
| 39. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| So when we look at it, 16 years ago, people were implying the same exact tactics. | ||
| Well, I'm not sure. | ||
| Let me tell you a little bit. | ||
| I'm not granting you that. | ||
| What I'm asking is not the deliberate lying because I don't believe she does that. | ||
| But I think that. | ||
| Intentional. | ||
| It's not deliberate. | ||
| It's intentional. | ||
| Okay, so you have a bit of a difference on that. | ||
| I would be more intentional. | ||
| I'm persuadable to your position. | ||
| I am persuadable to yours. | ||
| Unless I witnessed her lying. | ||
| I just, I find it very difficult to believe. | ||
| I've learned that. | ||
| Let me put it right here. | ||
| But when you describe like the. | ||
| Wow, I actually just got him to concede he's persuadable to myself. | ||
| Do you need a hug? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Do you need a hug? | ||
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Let me. | |
| It sounds like it's a more complex system of persuasion, deception, manipulation that you're describing. | ||
| Not just tell people lies to get to get money. | ||
| It sounds like you're seeing, you're getting spooked by an intricate pattern that you've seen that gets people to a particular place that requires dishonesty or lies or whatever on the way. | ||
| And you see the same thing with Candace. | ||
| Is that accurate? | ||
| Say that again? | ||
| So it's more complicated than just we're going to lie to people to get their credit cards. | ||
| It seems to me that you're saying there's a schema. | ||
| There are psychological tricks. | ||
| There's like a whole system that I saw there that I believe Candace is using too. | ||
| Not that I believe. | ||
| She's using basic techniques like assumptive reasoning. | ||
| It's in the book. | ||
| It's 101. | ||
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Is it impossible to use those tactics for good? | |
| You say yes because the use of them is self-disqualifying because of the kind of world it creates. | ||
| That is the Catholic position. | ||
| You are if you're right about that, and I'm not granting you that because I don't believe it, but if you are right about the dishonest elements of that, then you're right. | ||
| So let me hold on, hold on. | ||
| I want to explain something, right? | ||
| So I'll give you, I'll give you some examples. | ||
| No, not lies, but like lies by omission. | ||
| I think lies by omission are perfectly permissible sometimes. | ||
| Lies by omission are permissible. | ||
| What you can't do is knowingly say something that you know is not true. | ||
| Or hold on, hold on. | ||
| The evil authorities come to your stuff and you say it's not there. | ||
| The point is this. | ||
| That if you are lying by omission with the intent to make someone draw the false conclusion. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm saying for goodness. | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| Lying by omission for correct conclusion. | ||
| I'm lying by omission for a correct conclusion. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So like, so if you if you have failed in all of your attempts to persuade somebody that they should not cut their child's penis off, right? | ||
| And it gets to the stage where you think you might be able to persuade them to hold it at least if you give them a correct but incomplete picture of the facts. | ||
| Is that wrong? | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And so that's that's we differ on that. | ||
| Because there's other techniques in persuasion. | ||
| And I don't think that's what Candace is doing, but rapport being one of them is you meet your enemies as allies. | ||
| But I said you've extinguished all other options. | ||
| I said that at the beginning. | ||
| I think using, I think the problem is you're talking about, so I'll put it like this. | ||
| It is wrong that people are giving their kids sex changes, and it is wrong in positions of authority to manipulate people to your women. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| So here's all the things. | ||
| Is it always wrong to achieve a goal by any means necessary? | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| No, no, I don't think so. | ||
| Okay, well, now you seem to be saying the opposite, because... | ||
| No, I said the opposite. | ||
| Or what is Canada's goal? | ||
| Because that's a problem. | ||
| Her goal is to find out the truth about how and why Charlie Kirk was killed. | ||
| And I don't believe we know that. | ||
| And she wouldn't go about it this way, because I feel like she's... | ||
| How do you know that? | ||
| Because I feel like... | ||
| You can't know what's in her mind. | ||
| You don't know that. | ||
| And let me tell you. | ||
| You're speaking as if you do. | ||
| I will happily do that. | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| Yes, you are. | ||
| You've said that many times. | ||
| Hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| You know more about Charlie than she does. | ||
| Oh, that's ridiculous. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| More than you. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| Don't you remember how close they were? | ||
| They used to go everywhere together for years. | ||
| I met Charlie three times. | ||
| I'm talking about right now with the murder. | ||
| I'm saying in this. | ||
| I met Charlie three times. | ||
| I'm not talking. | ||
| Hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| I'm not talking about his whole life. | ||
| Under pressure from the city of the world. | ||
| No, no, no, no, stop, I am not talking about his life. | ||
| I'm saying in the context of his murder, you know more than Candace does. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| You think she knows more than you? | ||
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Of course. | |
| She thought UTC meant Utah time. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That is funny. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| But it is funny. | ||
| I'm not going to lie. | ||
| It is funny. | ||
| And it does appear to be the case that maybe she had like a brain. | ||
| Have you never had a brain fraud in your life? | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| No, I think she just didn't know what UTC was. | ||
| She also made the claim. | ||
| I don't know what mountain time is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not even exactly sure that I know what UTC is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would check. | ||
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Is UTC UTC? | |
| Universal. | ||
| Universal. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| No, I wouldn't have said it's Utah time. | ||
| Greenwich Mean Time. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| But the woke people changed it. | ||
| Oh, I forgot. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They stole it from the British. | ||
| I know what Greenwich Mean Time is. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| But I didn't know that name. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| Tim, I, me, did not know what time. | ||
| You didn't know Universal Central Time? | ||
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What UTC was. | |
| Okay, that's fine. | ||
| So let me, let me, don't, okay. | ||
| Don't think, I wouldn't leap to saying Utah. | ||
| Here's what I want to say. | ||
| It's an understandable mistake. | ||
| Here's what I want to say, right? | ||
| One of the components. | ||
| I don't want to change the mistake of it. | ||
| One of the functions of our business is our memberships of our Discord server. | ||
| Without it, we can't exist. | ||
| And that's usually how I pitch it because it's true. | ||
| One of the things they teach you when you work for these nonprofits is that urgency is key. | ||
| After I left this environmental group, jaded, I went to work for a smaller homeless shelter. | ||
| And I was told as a fundraiser that their homeless shelters are at capacity. | ||
| And if they can't get more money, they will have to turn people away. | ||
| You want to know the truth was? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're empty. | ||
| Completely empty because homeless people don't want to be in shelter. | ||
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No, they don't. | |
| They don't. | ||
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They're there because they're crazy. | |
| They want to be on the streets. | ||
| It's not even, it's a variety of issues. | ||
| Drug addict, crazy. | ||
| But if they wanted to live indoors in comfort with food, many of them could have a different situation. | ||
| This is the one they have. | ||
| This was the final straw for me in the nonprofit sector. | ||
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Right. | |
| When I realized even the small ones are lying. | ||
| So you went from a big bad guy to a little guy thinking that maybe that plus eat honesty. | ||
| And it turned out they were telling almost all of it's the same. | ||
| And so here's an example. | ||
| We have security threats. | ||
| What if I said, I did this whole bit on the show the other day. | ||
| I said, what if I said, Milo, we're going to be off the air this weekend. | ||
| I'm going to be off the air this weekend. | ||
| I've got a credible assassination threat against me from someone that may be involved with the government. | ||
| If they tell you they're coming, they're not coming. | ||
| And I've encountered the FBI who have confirmed this is a credible threat. | ||
| You know, if they tell you they're coming, they're not coming. | ||
| You've had as many conversations. | ||
| The FBI has confirmed that this is a credible threat against my life. | ||
| They're drama queens. | ||
| Milo, my wife is terrified. | ||
| That's a different issue. | ||
| The only thing that I can do. | ||
| That's a different issue. | ||
| The only thing that I can do to make it through is if people sign up at Timcast.com and become members to say, we will not let you down, Tim. | ||
| We stand with you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And guys, if you don't do this, we may have to go into hiding. | ||
| If you believe in the work that I do and you care about my family, then you need to go to Timcast.com and click join us. | ||
| I mean, every. | ||
| I don't do that. | ||
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You don't. | |
| No. | ||
| You do not. | ||
| Neither do you or anyone else. | ||
| Neither do I. Sorry. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| You don't do that, and neither do I, but every political podcast in the country does. | ||
| Indeed, they do. | ||
| And I'm not saying that it's a. | ||
| I call everybody out. | ||
| This is the ridiculous thing. | ||
| I mean, I'm British, so we don't even do that. | ||
| I don't even like doing Pacific, Jake Uger, Sam Cedar. | ||
| We don't even like doing ad reads because we think it's like there should be a Chinese wall between ads, grubby. | ||
| I can't believe you read your own ads and the editorial content, right? | ||
| So when I do ads, you will always see me. | ||
| You could see me for 10 years getting like a little bit or trying to make the ads more fun or making a joke out of it, which I actually just did it on the show, right? | ||
| Because for me, it's like it's completely against my nature to do it because we're taught like Chinese wall between commercial and editorial, right? | ||
| So when I do it in America, I'm kind of like not sure what to do with my hands, you know? | ||
| So that for me has always been horrifying about every political show in America. | ||
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Does Candace Owens do something like that? | |
| Sure. | ||
| Does that something like that put her in the minority or the majority? | ||
| Makes her, I mean, it's standard operating procedure. | ||
| I don't like it, but it's standard operating procedure. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| And so this is the important thing. | ||
| When people are like Tim Wayragon and Candace, I had messages from people being like, you sure are attacking a lot of the level. | ||
| Although I will say this. | ||
| Listen, the point is, when I rag on the left all day, every day, non-stop, nobody says, oh, Tim, why are you criticizing these people? | ||
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No, I get it. | |
| I will just say you made a very specific chain kind of allegation about what she has said in relation to her subscribers that I don't personally know to be true. | ||
| This is what everybody does. | ||
| Mike and Kelly did the same thing, and it's just like... | ||
| No, but I didn't see that, and I watched her show, and I didn't see... | ||
| Since which one? | ||
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Well, you said that she said, if you don't give me money. | |
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| I never said she said that. | ||
|
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Oh, what are you saying? | |
| That's the implication behind the. | ||
| What I'm saying is the delivery I gave you would be substantially more effective in raising money and it's dishonest. | ||
| Yeah, but most of them say, if you don't give me money, bad things will happen to me. | ||
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She doesn't do that. | |
| I'm not saying she says that. | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| I'm saying that. | ||
| The example I'm giving is a sense of urgency and why people need to support me. | ||
| So when the delivery methods she uses. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| I mean, you start getting rid of that. | ||
| It's like, can we even advertise? | ||
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Urgency. | |
| You want to get rid of urgency in advertising? | ||
| No, no, I'm talking about... | ||
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Come on, come on. | |
| I'm talking about the basics of lying through assumption, assumptive manipulation. | ||
| You're saying you leave people with the impression that if they don't sign up, that something that's not. | ||
| No, I'm not talking about her specifically. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| I'm just an example for her. | ||
| I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to say. | ||
| So I'll give you an example. | ||
| If I said to you, Milo, if you come on my show, I'm going to take you to the finest steakhouse for the most delicious ribeye you've ever had. | ||
| Well, that's never happened. | ||
| And all of the accouchement. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then, if you do, would you come on my show? | ||
| And then, hold on, hold on. | ||
| So I make you this promise, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| Then you say, okay, I'll come. | ||
| When you show up, I say, here's what I'm going to do for you, Milo. | ||
| I'm going to get you dinner. | ||
| Remember I talked about dinner? | ||
| I'm going to get you dinner. | ||
| And then after the show, I got your hot dog. | ||
| And you say, hold on. | ||
| You said a great. | ||
| No, I never said that. | ||
| You assumed that I told you I could get it for you. | ||
| And when you came, I said to get you dinner. | ||
| I didn't say I was taking you to the steakhouse. | ||
| You assume that's your fault. | ||
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Well, I see what you mean. | |
| And let me just clarify that you've been enormously generous and accommodating of some last-minute snafus with me. | ||
| So I don't want to imply you haven't been good to me. | ||
| Not steak. | ||
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Not steak, but plenty of other stuff. | |
| So I don't want to imply otherwise. | ||
| I don't want to leave people with the impression otherwise. | ||
| I try to be like boringly, scrupulously honest with you because you're like one of four friends I have left in the media. | ||
| But I don't want to leave anyone with that impression. | ||
| I understand that that would feel like a letdown and probably dishonest. | ||
| The point I'm making is. | ||
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What is the way out? | |
| What is it? | ||
| I have a viral post. | ||
| Plug it into Candace. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It says, Candace Owens, let me just pull it up for you. | ||
| I'll pull it on the show. | ||
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All right. | |
| Because I tweeted about this. | ||
| When I bump into young men and they say Candace Owens is in hiding because there's an assassination plot against her. | ||
| And I'm like, that's just, that's not true. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Developing story. | ||
| Candace Owens polls her show after claiming the White House acknowledged her assassination warning. | ||
| She didn't poll her show. | ||
| She was off for Thanksgiving. | ||
| Thanksgiving is a lot longer than a week. | ||
| Excuse me, a lot shorter than a week. | ||
| And most people don't take a whole week off for Thanksgiving. | ||
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It may have been. | |
| Oh, come on. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Come on, Milo. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Milo, Thanksgiving. | ||
| Maybe Thursday, Friday. | ||
| We can see. | ||
| Let me know. | ||
| Explain the whole week. | ||
| Am I allowed to think on the spot about something and give an honest answer, a considered answer? | ||
| I know I'm normally quick, but let me just say. | ||
| No, no, it's okay to just say, okay, so she embellished it and she was full of shit. | ||
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That's okay. | |
| What if what she said about the White House was true? | ||
| That they confirmed receipt. | ||
| So what she got to read on our Apple message? | ||
| No, she's. | ||
| Send a message. | ||
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That would be enough. | |
| What? | ||
| So why say they've confirmed receipt of the plot against me instead of being like, I've reached out to them? | ||
| Because one is manipulative language. | ||
| I think she got calls from the president saying, stop doing this in the context, and she probably can't call him up like that anymore like she used to. | ||
| So she's going through third parties. | ||
| I bet she didn't get a call from the president. | ||
| You know what I think happened? | ||
| I think she got a spoof call. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I think she got a spoof call. | ||
| No, I think she, I think, I think, look, because of the people who called her prior to that, who have confirmed they did, I don't believe you. | ||
| I mean, sorry, excuse me, I don't agree with you because people have confirmed that there were three calls in escalating seniority. | ||
| And the first two people have confirmed that those calls existed. | ||
| Okay, I'll take it. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
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So I can't buy that. | |
| I can't buy that. | ||
| So you confirm what two senior White House officials. | ||
| No, that's what I said. | ||
| Okay, so please clarify that because that's what I understand. | ||
| So there's an escalating seniority. | ||
| One person was not White House staff. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Then the White House staff, then the president. | ||
| That person and that person. | ||
| You're saying that one non-White House person escalating to White House people. | ||
| We know that those calls are. | ||
| We know those calls are. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| So that's a little different. | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| This right here, see this story? | ||
| It's got 192,000 likes. | ||
| And this is what she's intentionally doing. | ||
| Isn't she entitled to lie to people? | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Believes there's a threat against her life, she's informed the White House if she's she's surrounded by sinister liars and she sincerely believes whether or not you know you think that that's correct. | ||
| Is she not entitled to say these are my fears? | ||
| Well, if it's a paranoid delusion, you can't say that. | ||
| What she said, Milo. | ||
| She said, We are off the street. | ||
| As an update, the White House has confirmed receipt of the assassination plot against me. | ||
| And this resulted in, as predicted, for anyone who knows social engineering 101, viral stories like this, and then me bumping into three young men who say Candace Owens is in hiding because Israel's trying to kill her. | ||
| Yeah, but Milo, let me just say that. | ||
| You've been under death threat before. | ||
| I was in Congress. | ||
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I've never taken one seriously and nothing's ever happened. | |
| I did. | ||
| There's actually a man in the world. | ||
| And I do understand if your wife is different from just under stalkers, which are different. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But just listen to this specific, intentional. | ||
| I have a man in Florida in prison for threatening and plotting to kill me and my husband. | ||
| He's actually currently serving time, right? | ||
| I was in Congress for 11 months. | ||
| And then did he threaten you before he came or was he just plunged to? | ||
| Just please stop. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| So there we go. | ||
| If they tell you they're coming, they're not coming. | ||
| My point. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He was planning and had an act of planning. | ||
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But he didn't tell you he was coming because yes, he did. | |
| No, he notified us. | ||
| He notified us and left a voicemail with detail of how he would kill me and my husband. | ||
| So hear me out on this so you understand. | ||
| I was in Congress for 11 months, 11 months, short months, okay? | ||
| And I was royally kicked out. | ||
| But in that short period, I had over 200 death threats that were considered serious by Capitol police. | ||
| I never once went to social media and posted this. | ||
| They advise you not to do that. | ||
| No, no, they did not. | ||
| They did not. | ||
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They did not. | |
| I never once put it. | ||
| I know Matt Gates, Marjorie Taylor Green. | ||
| Marjorie just recently did it. | ||
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Law enforcement typically what I'm trying to tell you. | |
| The point that I'm trying to make is when you're under death threat, you don't have time for this meandering bullshit. | ||
| But that's not even the point. | ||
| Don't you think you're a somewhat distinctive case that might well have produced angry reactions in people who believe that you deceived your way into governing body? | ||
| Let me make sure that you're not. | ||
| Guys, guys, guys. | ||
| So you think it's okay to threaten people to kill them? | ||
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No, no. | |
| Wasn't he sort of right that you shouldn't be in Congress? | ||
| No. | ||
| Guys. | ||
| This is not the point. | ||
| I got elected. | ||
| The point is this. | ||
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On the basis of lying. | |
| That's not. | ||
| How about this? | ||
| Guys, instead of us taking off Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or I'm sorry, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday for Thanksgiving, I announce that the threat against us has escalated and I have no choice but to go dark for the time being. | ||
| I'm in contact with the FBI. | ||
| Pray for us. | ||
| And then go offline, leave for a week to go on vacation and go skiing and get 50 million views. | ||
| My phone's blowing up with. | ||
| Pray for us pissed you off, didn't it? | ||
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Why? | |
| Because why because why because no one said pray for us? | ||
| Who said pray for us? | ||
| Well, Candace says it a lot. | ||
| She didn't say it on her tweet. | ||
| I'm saying why don't I just do that? | ||
| If you didn't say the tweet, then why did you say it? | ||
| So I believe that in order to see it because my point is being difficult, but look, I think that in order to see what is substantially sick and wrong about Erica and Turning Point and to give Candace the benefit of the doubt and to support her, I think it requires religious discernment. | ||
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I think it requires that. | |
| Sure, if Candace was serious, she'd come out and call it Erica personally. | ||
| I think it requires. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Do it, Candace. | ||
| Who knows what that Scottsdale gold digger would say or has done? | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| So can't you say Candice is scared to call out Erica? | ||
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I didn't say she was scared. | |
| I said. | ||
| So why won't she do it? | ||
| She might have. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
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We don't know what the results were. | |
| We don't know what's going on. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| On her show, she has never explicitly insinuated Erica. | ||
| Like, she has never explicitly said. | ||
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She said. | |
| Insinuated, yes. | ||
| Well, isn't a bigger question why Erica hasn't called her? | ||
| Because she said if Erica asked me to stop, I will. | ||
| Erica hasn't. | ||
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That's a bigger question for me. | |
| No, it's not. | ||
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Yes, it is. | |
| Of course it is. | ||
| Because of course it is. | ||
| Because if everything she's saying is wrong and Erica, the CEO of Turning Point, can stop it with a phone call. | ||
| Why didn't she? | ||
| Because she can't. | ||
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Why didn't she say it? | |
| Because Erica can't stop it over the phone. | ||
| But think about the fallout. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Pitter patter off to a state single-party consent law. | ||
| Call Candace, tape it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Say, I'm calling you because you told me. | ||
| With witnesses around, including people who don't like you. | ||
| Candace, you said that if I call you and ask you to stop talking about my husband's death and the theories around it, that you would. | ||
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I'm calling to ask you to stop. | |
| Agreed. | ||
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Why did she do that? | |
| Because Candace would win, as you have stated correctly, but not because she's right, but because that's the public perception. | ||
| What is PR 101, Milo? | ||
| What is the first thing every PR professional person, like in PR 101, what is the first thing they tell you? | ||
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Yeah, don't repeat the Bible, obviously. | |
| But okay, so what if it was done privately? | ||
| Because what I'm saying is, when I say you would then go on her show, when I say tape it, right? | ||
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When I say tape it, I don't mean tape and release it. | |
| I know, I'm saying I just mean tape it. | ||
| So the thought process, literally from Turning Point, and I'm telling you this as I literally heard from directly. | ||
| I know, I know you have. | ||
| Directly they said, when we tried addressing it, it got worse. | ||
| We don't. | ||
| And the PR 101 is going to say nothing. | ||
| It got worse because they bungled it. | ||
| In addition to the fact that. | ||
| There's no not bungling it. | ||
| So you're saying she wins regardless? | ||
| When you are. | ||
| Let me put it like this. | ||
| I'd like to point out. | ||
| Why aren't Turning Point better? | ||
| I'd like to Sweetie Pumpkin, Ms. Owens. | ||
| Candace Owens is inevitable. | ||
| Tim Paul. | ||
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Like, that's what you said. | |
| That's what you just said. | ||
| Okay, and get on board, boy. | ||
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Milo, Milo, let me ask you a question. | |
| Do you think that if you were in charge, let me ask you a question. | ||
| If you were in charge of all communications at Turning Point from the moment Charlie died, do you think you would have beaten Candace in the communication sphere? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| You think that she would have maligned you and you would have. | ||
| I don't know if she would have maligned me, although we were not friends for a very long time. | ||
| And maybe she. | ||
| Like, you don't think you could do better than Turning Point did? | ||
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No. | |
| Well, no, that's not. | ||
| That's a different question. | ||
| Different question. | ||
| Right, it is. | ||
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I could do far better than Turning Point. | |
| Knowing that I would do far better than Turning Point, but I think she's still one. | ||
| You know what I think about Turning Point? | ||
| I think there's two big things happening. | ||
| I don't think anybody can beat her. | ||
| I think she is a once-in-a-generation media genius. | ||
| I know. | ||
| The winnings. | ||
| Can I finish the point? | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I don't know what we're talking about. | ||
| But I was saying something. | ||
| Sorry, this is horrible for a moment. | ||
| I was literally saying something. | ||
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Sorry, go on. | |
| There's two things happening with Turning Point. | ||
| Charlie's death meant a gigantic vacuum appeared in management, and they immediately have to figure out who's doing what. | ||
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So they came up with a lie that he told his wife that she was going to be the CEO. | |
| What do you mean? | ||
| She is the CEO. | ||
| Well, they came up with the lie that it was his intention she would be the CEO, and then she ascended to CEO. | ||
| How's that a lie? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| How's what Candice Evans is saying a lie? | ||
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We don't know, do we? | |
| Candace said that that was a lie? | ||
| No, I'm saying I'm asserting that that is a lie in the same way that you assert that things that Candace is saying is a lie. | ||
| We can't know. | ||
| Who said? | ||
| We can't know, can we? | ||
| We can't know what. | ||
| If Erica is the CEO. | ||
| That was Charlie's intention. | ||
| Why would Charlie want to give his company to somebody else? | ||
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Why would he want to give it to his wife? | |
| Because she's the next of kin and the company reverts to next of kin. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Whether he wanted it to happen or not, she gets it. | ||
| How many times has Charlie talked about women in leadership? | ||
| Stop, stop. | ||
| Why would a husband is going to be like, my wife can't have my money against him? | ||
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He wouldn't give it to the wife who, you know, because it's next to his wife. | |
| Whether he wants it to happen, he saw his children. | ||
| Whether he wants it to or not, he clearly did not enjoy his wife's company when they are on stage together. | ||
| Don't you remember making these assertions of a dead man? | ||
| Don't you? | ||
| You cannot prove. | ||
| Don't you remember that just telegraphed? | ||
| I'm bored as hell every time he was talking on stage with her. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| It's true. | ||
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We're making assertions about her based on my reading. | |
| 100%. | ||
| You're saying that Tim can't make assertions about what he did. | ||
| About Candace. | ||
| No, I'm saying that Tim does not make, does not present the caveat that this is his. | ||
| But you're not presenting the caveat on Eric. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Because I'm not stating it as a fact. | ||
| You literally just did. | ||
| You said she made it. | ||
| Okay, okay, guys. | ||
| Let's stop saying that. | ||
| I'm under some logic. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| I'm just a meth. | ||
| I'm under some meth. | ||
| Inferential reasoning is leading me to conclude, which is my conclusion based on inferential reasoning. | ||
| And I'm okay with that. | ||
| And now let me do some myth. | ||
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But I believe that you are making more. | |
| I believe that the statements you make have a higher truth standard. | ||
| I think you're making absolute factual claims about Candace Owens' interior state, which you cannot. | ||
| So I'm going to do this. | ||
| What it sounds like. | ||
| When Candace tweeted, we're going off the air as an update. | ||
| The White House has confirmed receipt, right? | ||
| I recognize that instantly. | ||
| It's not an accident. | ||
| It's called a subtitle reasoning. | ||
| It's a basic social engineering trick that people are taught to do. | ||
| Now, I mean, what do we have? | ||
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I will accept that. | |
| What should she have done in that circumstance? | ||
| We're off for Thanksgiving. | ||
| Hey, guys, we're taking the week off for Thanksgiving. | ||
| The apex of a story about how her best friend was murdered when her whole life, when her whole life is consumed by this in a way that could very well have, it didn't, but the massively high-risk decision that she made to turn her entire media career into a crusade to discover Charlie's. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| From this point forward, I am going to be a thespian. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All of my stories will be conveyed through the dramatic and insincere. | ||
| Can I write for you? | ||
| Can I just write the episodes for you? | ||
| I can't believe you have no idea. | ||
| I can't believe. | ||
| First of all, I cannot believe that Tim Paul just alluded to me as theatrical and insincere, and I would like to. | ||
| I'm talking about Candace. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And to be fair, Milo, you're definitely sincere, but you're also theatrical. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| My point is. | ||
| I heard your new album's good. | ||
| You know what I will accept? | ||
| No one's going to hear it. | ||
| I will accept this. | ||
| The world that I want to live in doesn't exist. | ||
| Every major corporation, every major personality, and anyone who wishes they had the talent would do it in two seconds. | ||
| And I have the talent and I refuse to do it because I'm a fucking idiot. | ||
| So I say, let's go, baby. | ||
| I will lie, cheat, and steal all the way to the top. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Two things. | ||
| Oh, it doesn't work. | ||
| It doesn't break off. | ||
| I've tried it. | ||
| There's a difference. | ||
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I tried it. | |
| Listen. | ||
| Don't do it, Tim. | ||
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Let me tell you. | |
| From George Santos to Milianopoulos, this ain't your thing. | ||
| No, You are wrong. | ||
| As I already pointed out, I was a nation's best fundraiser for one of the topics. | ||
| You could have done it. | ||
| You could do it now. | ||
| So just ask you. | ||
| The point is. | ||
| No, no, hang on, hang on. | ||
| I want to know from Phil. | ||
| That was a bit of an escalation, that joke. | ||
| I apologize for that. | ||
| It was a bit too much. | ||
| Oh, I don't think it's. | ||
| Oh, no, we love it. | ||
| We're clipping it and I'm promoting it that way. | ||
| It's going to go at the very beginning of the next All That Remains record. | ||
| No, because I already. | ||
| It's hot. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom. | ||
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Oh, I'm sorry. | |
| When you said you're a hard actor follow, I thought to myself, well, don't you only warm up for people? | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| Surely you've never had that experience. | ||
| I want to guess. | ||
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So, no, no, but that was a bit much. | |
| Are you going to say, I'm sorry? | ||
| Can I hear you say I'm sorry? | ||
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Hell no. | |
| But tell me, what does Doc Tim look like? | ||
| Dark Tim? | ||
| Dark Tim. | ||
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What does Dark Tim Paul look like? | |
| Because he just kind of painted a little picture of himself. | ||
| I've done it on the show before. | ||
| I did it yesterday morning. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Basically, I mean, it's. | ||
| Oh, bro. | ||
| You want to see me cry on command? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think. | ||
| I absolutely can just fucking. | ||
| I'd win an Oscar. | ||
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What do you do? | |
| You conjure a sad. | ||
| I've never seen a crime. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I don't cry, right? | ||
| And so I told this story, I think it was yesterday morning or the day before. | ||
| Is there something you can produce? | ||
| I wouldn't say it's right here. | ||
| I can literally just. | ||
| I can't do that, but I will tell you this. | ||
| You can't cry on command? | ||
| That's why you were never apologizing. | ||
| Let me tell you a story. | ||
| Can I tell you a story? | ||
| I will tell you. | ||
| I get my book of picture. | ||
| I get my book of pictures of Troy out, and I'm in floods of tears weeping, so I can fake it, but I can't do what you say. | ||
| Let me make every sinister motherfuckers can do. | ||
| Let me do this to you, George. | ||
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Please. | |
| It's my most Most proud sales that I've ever done for homeless shelter resulted in a woman crying in front of me on the street, and she gave $700 per month because she wanted to help. | ||
| Homeless people would not. | ||
| So I did the same kind of, not at the same level. | ||
| Here was my pitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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George was in Hermes. | |
| My pitch was this. | ||
| My pitch, George, I'm going to convince you. | ||
| I'm going to turn the theatrics. | ||
| So they give us a script, and everybody knows it. | ||
| You stand on the balls of your feet, you keep your arms wide, and you say, Hey, you want to talk about the homeless problem in this city? | ||
| We need your help. | ||
| Something like that, right? | ||
| Well, that doesn't work, does it? | ||
| So what I did, because I was one of the best, and anybody who's good at this and good at sales knows these stupid scripts don't work. | ||
| They don't. | ||
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So what I did was employee idiots and not people like you. | |
| So they are. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So what they tell the entry-level people who don't have the talent, ask everyone and read this verbatim, and you will get two people to sign up. | ||
| Well, I was doing like 10 people, you know, every couple of hours. | ||
| So I see a woman walking towards me. | ||
| She's older. | ||
| And I'm on the balls of my feet and I'm holding my clipboard and I wave to her and she gets close to say, hey, would you like to talk to me about the homeless crisis and how you can help? | ||
| And she goes, sure, what's going on? | ||
| I said, well, first of all, my name is Tim and I work with Insert Shelter. | ||
| Now, every, every, I'm sorry, I can't do this. | ||
| That fast, right into it? | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| They give us this script we're supposed to read. | ||
| And I'm trying really, really hard. | ||
| You're frightening. | ||
| Listen, ma'am, you know there's a homeless problem in this city. | ||
| I mean, Los Angeles is the homeless capital of the developed world. | ||
| And you've seen it, right? | ||
| And she goes, yes. | ||
| And I say, okay, I am out here because every day when I walk to work, I see people sleeping under bridges. | ||
| I see people sleeping on the sidewalk. | ||
| And I see politicians who don't care. | ||
| But you stop to talk to me because I think you do care. | ||
| I want you to do something for me. | ||
| I want you to close your eyes. | ||
| Close your eyes. | ||
| I want you to imagine what it's like to sleep under a bridge. | ||
| I want you to imagine what it's like. | ||
| You're cold. | ||
| And the worst thing is, you know, nobody cares. | ||
| They walk by you. | ||
| They have disdain for you. | ||
| They insult you. | ||
| It's not your fault. | ||
| It's not your fault, but they don't listen. | ||
| No one loves you. | ||
| Open your eyes. | ||
| You look up, and in the sunlight, you see a hand reach out and you hear a voice say, I care. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| For the first time in a long time, someone actually tells you that they care about you. | ||
| And you take their hand and they lift you up. | ||
| And this is where it gets better. | ||
| I want you to be that hand right now. | ||
| Will you do that? | ||
| Will you be the person who finally says, I care? | ||
| And she started crying. | ||
| I mean, you're frightening me. | ||
| I'm the one. | ||
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I'm like, well, you're the most frightening person I've ever heard. | |
| I just saw you. | ||
| You would get an Oscar, but in Germany, this wouldn't work because we're all very good. | ||
| Because you're cold, but you're very cold-blooded in Germany. | ||
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It's different. | |
| No, no, that was frightening because, and you know why it was frightening? | ||
| I've heard that from so many pulpits by so many preachers because that's the funniest thing is I can actually build churches of tens of thousands of people. | ||
| Yeah, I don't do it. | ||
| I don't come on the show and I don't go into the camera and tell people to give me myself. | ||
| That was really good, by the way. | ||
| You are frightening. | ||
| That was very, very good. | ||
| And this is why I would, you know, you want to hear what me and my buddy, it's funny because Mark is probably here somewhere too. | ||
| And we would go out with these nonprofits and they would expect within eight hours you could sign up two people. | ||
| Me, Mark, and another one of our friends would go out for 15 minutes, sign up the people at the quota, and then go home. | ||
| Then we'd be like, what time do we got to be back at work to check in? | ||
| And then we'd be playing GTA and we'd take the train back to work, be like, yeah, you know, we got two today. | ||
| That's quota. | ||
| And we took us 15 minutes to do. | ||
| And you know, the frightening thing about it is it hits people with the best hearts the hardest. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And this is why. | ||
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Let me tell you one thing. | |
| I would have laughed that off when I was gay. | ||
| Oh, no, Do you think I would pitch you to that if I saw you in West Hollywood? | ||
| No, no, but I'm saying since I have since I care what happens to me now, spiritually, I've started to care what happens to other people in a way that opens me up to that kind of manipulation. | ||
| I feel it now. | ||
| I wouldn't have felt that five years ago. | ||
| So the first thing you understand in psychological manipulation, social engineering is rapport. | ||
| It's the most important thing. | ||
| I get that you wouldn't do that with me because I'm ridiculous looking, but. | ||
| And so I would approach you and I would try to, as soon as I see you walking, I would start to imitate your mannerisms. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I would hear how you talk and I would start to talk like you. | ||
| It's fucking terrifying to me. | ||
| And, you know, for a while, I thought. | ||
| Wasn't that a lot? | ||
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That was a very good thing. | |
| I'm going to say I didn't get there, but if he kept going, I would have got there. | ||
| And I got to say, it reminds me of Candace. | ||
|
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It does. | |
| It's Candace's playbook. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| And the thing. | ||
| The correlation. | ||
| She would be losing if she did not have a predominantly female and extremely feminized audience. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Somebody that I respect. | ||
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Well, nothing. | |
| She wants to be Candace, besides both of you here, especially because you just shot what you're capable of, which apparently he's not using for a good reason, is Tucker Carlton. | ||
| I appreciate a lot. | ||
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Could you imagine he's friends with? | |
| I would like to retract my earlier statements that I was mad that you did not give me the chance to date you. | ||
| But are you saying Tucker's bad? | ||
| I still love it. | ||
| Wait, wait, are you think Tucker's bad? | ||
| Is that your opinion? | ||
| Yeah, she is. | ||
| So I'm just going to do this from now on. | ||
| I'm going to the rest of the Tucker. | ||
| Actually, we're wrapping up. | ||
| We're going to the restroom. | ||
| We're going to wrap up now. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| I know we didn't get to super chats, guys, but this was kind of a therapy session. | ||
| This was a very important show for me and for you. | ||
| And you're fucking frightening. | ||
| But you know, people talk so much shit about this guy, but the fact that you're not doing that when you could is people will have noticed that. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| I did start watching your podcast over the last year. | ||
| I was not a listener. | ||
| And I've come to like a lot of your platform and the guests and the conversations you have. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I was so excited to talk about airplanes today. | ||
| And I was so excited to talk about Supreme Court. | ||
| Hold on, Milo. | ||
| You hogged up all the fucking air. | ||
| Relax. | ||
| I guess that answers the question in the pre-show about who is going to dominate the show now. | ||
| No, so that's fine. | ||
| at least I got the green room bit because Jesus but my point is I appreciate it I never duplicated the OG, the queen, that bitch. | ||
| Won't shut up. | ||
| Thank you for giving me the crown because this ain't never coming on. | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| Your paper crown's very deserved. | ||
| So my point is, I just want to say thank you for your candor because what you just displayed is what you could be doing. | ||
| And you choose every single day to come on here. | ||
| You're really frightening. | ||
| Not do it, right? | ||
| Which takes a lot more. | ||
| And trust me, as somebody who's been the king of bullshit at one point myself, and I have the wherewithal to say, I have the wherewithal to sit here and tell you that. | ||
| I appreciate you for being an honest broker when so many people are choosing dishonesty. | ||
| So many people are choosing sensationalism and so many people are fracturing the base that we need to keep unified more so now than ever before. | ||
| I'm not saying it's the most consequential election. | ||
| I just want to say, Tim, thank you. | ||
| Literally, thank you. | ||
| And I know I say that on behalf of a lot. | ||
| I've always seen in him, people say, Tim Poole, really. | ||
| I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| It could be Candace Owens or not. | ||
| If people talk mad shit about you, and I'm like, no, That's my, that's my go. | ||
| Thank you for that. | ||
| I could have. | ||
| I feel the same way. | ||
| I feel the same way. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| You endorsed every word I just said. | ||
| You heard that, right? | ||
| Well, my own original idea that you must have seen on my phone and repeated then was, yeah, sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I kind of heard it said, but anyway. | ||
| No, thank you for that. | ||
| It was well expressed and correct. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You can have that. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, let's do final thoughts, wrap up. | ||
| You're uncomfortable with compliments, aren't you? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody can shout everything out because it's over. | ||
| Are you really not? | ||
| I think you are. | ||
| Uncomfortable with compliments? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, it's the moment after, if you keep looking at him, he's like, do you want something from me? | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Walk away, dude. | ||
| Give me the compliment. | ||
| Everybody, I apologize that we didn't get to chats and rants and all that stuff. | ||
| But the point is, when it got into the when Milo and I started having this conversation, it actually, the cameras melted away. | ||
| We changed it. | ||
| And I hope people listened to what we said. | ||
| I think it was a very important conversation. | ||
| What has changed is that two people going at each other's throats on the internet, I now see as two well-intentioned people talking past each other, maybe with different visions of how to go, maybe with incorrect ideas about one another. | ||
| But I think you are a profoundly good person, a man of good moral character. | ||
| I believe that she is a woman of good moral character. | ||
| So that's what we've gone. | ||
| We've turned, in a way, it's an evolution from a conflict to a tragedy in a way. | ||
| When they came for you and they canceled you, the words of these people mean nothing to me. | ||
| I knew who you are. | ||
| I knew you represented. | ||
| Sometimes I've had some criticisms. | ||
| Sometimes I think you've done great. | ||
| I think you've largely done great. | ||
| And we write one of the show because I don't care what anyone else thinks. | ||
| We bring on the people that we think have something easy to do. | ||
| He did it when it wasn't easy. | ||
| I don't want to shit on anybody who's done it recently, but he did it when it wasn't easy. | ||
| So, my friend, smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. | ||
| You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. | ||
|
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How about that? | |
| Where can people find you or follow you? | ||
| You can find me on Twitter. | ||
| It's at Negro but the G is Silent. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| You act like you're surprised when he does this. | ||
| The thing is, I'm sitting here thinking I'm going to get fucking canceled with this lunatic, and I love him. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I am sorry. | ||
| I am terribly sorry. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| I've never been canceled. | ||
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Okay. | |
| You went to prison. | ||
| You went to jail! | ||
| And I wasn't socially canceled. | ||
| Society went to play the jury. | ||
| I'm canceled. | ||
| By lawyers, there was no jury. | ||
| Jurisprudence. | ||
| By a slumbering oxygenarian who claimed never to go to the beach. | ||
| You are canceled from human civilization. | ||
| Milo, do you, do you, do you, or anywhere else aside from Twitter, whether you are at Nero? | ||
| No, I'm bad for everything else. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| George, Santos on Twitter. | ||
| I'm just going to keep this very simple. | ||
| He's got his handle. | ||
| I just got my handle. | ||
| It's not fake if you see it. | ||
| They did the whole handle thing and it worked. | ||
| I got drawn photos, so it's pretty cool. | ||
| I do want to say, Milo, I love you. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I disagree with fundamentally most of what you said today, and that's okay. | ||
| Tim, thank you for having me. | ||
| And I'm still invited to a lot of people aren't. | ||
| Shameless plug, by the way. | ||
| I expect to see Tim there, but Tim and ours. | ||
| Well, you were invited. | ||
| You just missed it. | ||
| A lot of people are not invited to join us. | ||
| Anyway, real quick, December 9th, I'll be hosting the first of what will be a tradition of Santos Claus in D.C. | ||
| And lastly, I do want to say, don't forget to go on cameo.com and book your Christmas cameo because they are going fast. | ||
| I will say this: I can't imagine anybody that would be more of a delight for literally anyone, literally anyone, than Cameo from George Santos. | ||
| Like, you're such, you're exactly that person. | ||
| Hey, Tim just started cameo. | ||
| I mean, I'm even tempted. | ||
| Well, I got one. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| We should book Tim Paul on cameo. | ||
| I'm even tempted. | ||
| I'm even tempted to book you for a few friends of mine. | ||
| But just, you know, because I don't like getting freebies from friends. | ||
| Fine, please do book your children. | ||
| I will take in my name. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Oh, I know you. | ||
| We got to get the shout-outs through. | ||
| Naomi. | ||
| Naomi, allow me. | ||
| She's at Naomi Psyched on Twitter, which will need to be. | ||
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Sorry? | |
| This is absolutely correct. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Which will need to be on the screen in order for you to be able to spell it. | ||
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So, there's no point me telling you because it's IBT. | |
| It's Naomi that Miller Problems. | ||
| She is, despite her terrible opinions, still one of the prettiest girls in politics. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| I think I have a lot of great opinions that you actually agree with. | ||
| And I have been under the same thing. | ||
| I'm sorry we didn't hear any of them. | ||
| Nothing can damage my self-esteem in the foreseeable future. | ||
| I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| Like, you were one of those three or four women where I was like, if only this was going a bit faster. | ||
| Like, you know, like, if only this next gay thing was happening a bit faster, I'd be like, I would totally scoop that up. | ||
| So, so, you know, you can take that with you to the bank. | ||
| Hey, guys, good convo. | ||
| And the semantic misinterpretations, I thought, where it was like the difference between spreading misinformation and actively lying when you know it's misinformation is very different. | ||
| And once you get become a tool for that machine and spread false information and you realize it's happening to you, I understand why you're sensitive to seeing other people potentially spreading false information. | ||
| Whether they're lying or not, I don't know. | ||
| But I really appreciate you guys all coming in here and talking about this. | ||
| Where can I find you? | ||
| At Ian Crossland. | ||
| And I think a lot of people are in emotional static shock from Charlie's death. | ||
| It's not going to, it didn't resolve itself in six months. | ||
| So keep that in mind with this. | ||
| I am Phil that remains on Twix. | ||
| The band is all that remains this weekend. | ||
| You can check out all that remains on Rocks. | ||
| We'll lead you into this. | ||
| It's going to be from the band everything. | ||
| It's going to be two songs from our most eminent record called Anti-Fragile. | ||
| Songs are Let You Go and Divine Syndrome. | ||
| December COVID Leafy. | ||
| You can check out all the remains stuff on Rocks on PC mobile or basement in Germany. | ||
| Hey, check out the band. |
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