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Dec. 10, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Candace Owens Says MILITARY INVOLVED In Kirk Killing, Says Tim Pool's Brother Tried To SHOOT HIM
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elad eliahu
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ian crossland
06:19
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jamie kennedy
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09:55
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tim pool
01:12:43
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tim pool
Candace Owens has yet another conspiracy theory.
It was the U.S. military that was involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Now, I'm just waiting for her to accuse Pepe Sylvia.
But shout out to the super chatter who started off the show with that joke.
I stole it from him.
So shout out to I'm Not Your Buddy Guy, who Super Chatt wrote when the show started.
She also has another conspiracy theory that I survived the shooting by my own brother, which is an absolute fabrication.
And this is nuts.
Because I've been very heavily criticizing her, she's now claimed that I'm in financial distress, suffering some kind of personal issue.
I don't know, maybe it was the shooting at my property.
I'll give her that one.
And that I'm trying to sell my company, so I'm auditioning for Zionists.
If that wasn't the best she could come up with, she then today claimed, I survived a shooting committed by my own brother, which is the most insane thing anyone could ever possibly say.
It is, I mean, accusing my own brother of trying to murder me is the stupidest thing imaginable.
I don't even know where her brain is.
And I just, I have to say this, even though I know you're not really supposed to, but I'm not going to speak on behalf of my brother, who is not a public figure.
But holy crap, accusing someone of committing a shooting to murder a family member is, let's just call it beyond actionable, which is crazy that she would, I don't get it.
Maybe she's really depressed and just trying to destroy everything around her.
I don't know.
So I guess we are going to talk about that again.
It does seem to be the bigger of the news stories.
And everybody's writing about how I had an unhinged rant slamming the table, screaming about it the other day.
So agreed.
But I guess that's news.
So we're going to talk about that.
And there's other news, you know, that matters.
Like houses are going to collapse.
Nobody can afford them.
Interestingly, though, when Donald Trump addressed housing affordability, finally, his approval rating went up a little bit.
So maybe that's the message Trump needs to have.
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Joining us tonight, talk about this and so much more is the star of Son of the Mask, Jamie Kennedy.
Wow.
How are you, buddy?
I'm good.
Thanks for hanging out.
What a night.
jamie kennedy
Bro, it's good.
The pool water is good.
tim pool
That's a good slogan.
jamie kennedy
It's good.
tim pool
It's pool water.
jamie kennedy
Yes.
tim pool
I like it.
jamie kennedy
You brought up Son of the Mask.
And at first I said shot's fire, but then I don't know.
Do you like the movie or don't like the movie?
tim pool
I'll be honest with you, C-minus.
jamie kennedy
C-mine.
tim pool
Thank you for that.
That might be better than a lot of other people gave it, but I didn't, I don't mean this to be rude, but I didn't have a lot of expectations for it as a, you know, I mean, it's like a goofy movie where a baby, you know, it's the mask.
jamie kennedy
And a dog.
tim pool
And a dog.
Well, the dog in the first movie did too.
But it was, you know, it was like popcorn flick.
I'm sitting there.
I was laughing.
jamie kennedy
It's not Lord of the Rings, but, you know, well, I mean, I'm glad I drove two hours to come out here.
Start with that.
Fantastic.
No, but you know what?
It's crazy you say that because the movie when it came out was hated.
tim pool
Of course.
jamie kennedy
But now, of course.
Jesus, two for two, guys.
Drink some pool water.
And then now the new generation likes it.
tim pool
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
Which is wild to me.
Well, so it's not a movie that you should put against normal movies.
tim pool
Right.
You know, and this might be three for three, but it's so bad it's good.
You know what I mean?
jamie kennedy
Low-key, I understand that.
Yeah, yeah.
I understand that.
Can I just say this?
We set out to make a certain type of movie and we lost control, meaning we didn't have the final say.
It's on my YouTube.
You can watch the documentary I made about it.
tim pool
Well, so you're a comedian?
How else would you describe yourself?
Actor?
jamie kennedy
I mean, I hate labels.
I'm a comedian.
I'm an actor.
You know, I'm getting into podcasting.
I don't know.
Just a person that likes to express himself, but probably comedian actors most known.
tim pool
Well, right on.
It's going to be fun having you here.
I appreciate you coming down.
jamie kennedy
Dude, I appreciate you having me, man.
tim pool
Absolutely.
jamie kennedy
I really do.
This is awesome.
tim pool
We have Ian.
ian crossland
Hi, everybody.
Up in it.
Crossland in the house.
Good to see you Jay.
jamie kennedy
How are you, buddy?
ian crossland
Fantastic.
Let's move it along, Elod.
elad eliahu
Good evening, everybody.
I'm Elad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
What's up, Phil?
phil labonte
Late to the party.
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Bonante.
I'm the lead singer of the Heavy Metal Band All That Rains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Oh, we'll start with the big story.
We've got this from MediaIte.
Candace Owens drops yet another Charlie Kirk conspiracy theory.
The U.S. military was involved.
Ooh, really?
Owens, in a series of Instagram posts on Tuesday, said she was ready to blow this case open.
Oh, after three months, she finally is going to do it, huh?
Based on a tip she received from a service member the night before.
Quote, it feels like today will be the day that the government can no longer deny it.
Charlie Kirk was assassinated and our military was involved.
I can't wait to share this information with you guys today.
The commentator, who has more than 5.6 million YouTube subscribers and the 10th ranked podcast on Spotify, said the scoop came to her just hours after she went to church and prayed for the final piece to be revealed.
Her prayer was immediately answered, she said.
In the very first email she saw in her tip inbox right before going to sleep, she did not share more details.
Her claim comes after Owens has spent the past three months sharing conspiracy theories about the killing of Kirk.
Those include claims Kirk was killed by pro-Israel henchmen who were upset he was starting to have rational thoughts about Israel in the months before his death, as well as the claim billionaire activist Bill Ackman made threats against Kirk for his apparent shift away from Israel.
And then we have this tweet from Sarah Fields.
According to Candace Owens, this is who to blame for the assassination of Charlie Kirk based on her own public statements on X and on her podcast.
I've kept track.
Okay.
The French government, including Emmanuel Macron and British Macron, the French Foreign Legion, 13th Brigade, the Gene de Marie Intervention Group, Israel, Israeli operatives, and Benjamin Nen.
You have Jewish donors, the U.S. government, feds, and the FBI, the Deep State, the CIA, Turning Point USA executives and leadership, including Tyre Boyer, Andrew Colvett, Erica Kirk, yes, his wife, Blake Neff, Pastor Rob McCoy, Josh Hammer, Pierre DuPont, and DuPont family, Stacey Sheridan, Freemasons, the broader French interests, BB Net and Yahoo with Israel connections, Egypt and Egyptian operations, e.g. planes and joint exercises, Bolsheviks and anti-Christian forces, maroon-shirted individuals, suspected operatives or military, TPUSA Associated Influencers, e.g. Alex Clark.
Are you done yet?
There were only three possible reason, possible reasons for her nonsense.
Either she's evil, mentally ill, or a complete grifter, which is it because a truth teller is not even on the table anymore.
So, gentlemen, this shocking revelation that the U.S. military was involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination, what do y'all think?
phil labonte
They missed a partridge in a pear tree.
tim pool
Ah, yes.
ian crossland
It sounds like she finally figured it out.
I don't know.
It sounds like she was making fun of Bridget Macron, and then the French government threatened her life, and now she's just terrified and just doing what she does more because that's made her a lot of money and got her adulation and her fans tell her they love her.
tim pool
I have to read this from, what does that say?
Metafrost.
Tim Poole can't pronounce French words.
Agreed.
Jean-Varcé Marie.
I can't pronounce that word.
I can't say French things.
I can say la chat est sole table.
That's about as close as I'll get to saying anything in French.
elad eliahu
I wonder if Crackhead Candace will eventually get around to blaming Tyler Robinson for the murder.
tim pool
No, I already figured this out.
I already figured this out.
Do you know what the end of the season finale of this season is going to be?
It's going to be Charlie Kirk was responsible for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
elad eliahu
Oh, he planted it.
tim pool
It's like, it just goes all the way around until it just creates.
It's got Ouro Boros.
phil labonte
Traveled from the past.
From the past, future shot himself because he was tired of dealing with that.
tim pool
I don't necessarily want to say too soon because we're kind of just making fun of Candace being crazy, but I would expect her to go that far.
I mean, the U.S. military, the French Foreign Legion, Israel.
phil labonte
If you choose enough people, eventually something will be right.
tim pool
Well, you know, my theory is?
Do you guys know what Three Stooges syndrome is?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
Are you familiar with this one?
Three Stooges.
Let me pull this up for you because we've talked about on the show before.
Richie knows what I'm talking about.
Three Stooges syndrome.
It refers to a state of being overwhelmed by multiple tasks, diseases, or problems so that nothing gets done.
And I have an image that I can show you explaining exactly what this is.
Let me just pull this one up and zoom in for you.
jamie kennedy
What an episode I came on.
phil labonte
Here you go.
tim pool
It's demonstrated by this doctor who took oversized novelty germs and tried to push them all through a single door at once, and they all get stuck and can't get in.
Thus was why Mr. Burns had every notable disease but wasn't dying.
My theory is that Candace Owens is engaging in what we would call three Stooges syndrome as for defamation.
She's trying to defame as many people as possible so that when they all file the lawsuits at the same time, the courts will be overwhelmed and they won't actually be able to finish any of the trials until 40, 50 years from now.
jamie kennedy
You know, this topic is just, you know, the Charlie Kirk death.
I don't know if you were very close with him.
tim pool
I wouldn't say very close.
jamie kennedy
It rocked me to my core.
tim pool
Really?
jamie kennedy
I knew nothing about him other than he was a political guy.
And to see that image in the video absolutely twisted me up.
So it's, you know, it's horrible what happened to him.
And, you know, I've talked about it a lot.
tim pool
Yeah.
How would you describe yourself politically?
Like, not really that political or anything?
jamie kennedy
I was never political and I became politicized because I did a movie called Roe v. Wade.
And by doing that movie, I was put in 2021 and they said I was a right winger.
tim pool
Really?
jamie kennedy
And I did nothing other than be in a movie about abortion.
And through that movie, I had learned a lot about abortion and Planned Parenthood, how it started, Margaret Sanger, all the other things that came up with it.
And I was considered, I did an interview with a paper called The Daily Beast.
I'm just an actor and a comedian, bro.
I didn't know anything.
I didn't know there was left and right in all these agendas.
You hear about it.
And then they said all of this stuff, then I was like, well, that's not true about me.
That's not true.
And so then I was kind of demonized through that one article and then it started.
And then through COVID, I started like voicing my opinion.
I consider myself a dude who's just, I don't know, normal, which is in the middle, common sense.
But now I don't know what I am.
ian crossland
This is still normal, but the outs, it's normal people in a crazy world look crazy.
tim pool
This is where most of us are, right?
Like Ian's not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
In fact, anybody who met him today would be like, he's kind of nuts.
But they'll call him right wing for simply being on this show.
They'll call me right wing for simply, it's exactly as you described.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, it's like there's just common sense things.
And if you question, the thing is, is that we should be able to talk about everything and we should question everything.
And when you are not allowed to question something and you're labeled, that's insane to me.
So I say don't be loyal to a label, be loyal to logic.
So there's, you know, I don't care what party you are, what religion you are.
After Charlie Kirk, I said this on my podcast, a lot has changed for me.
And when it's, I don't care about gender, religion, democratic affiliation.
I care if you're a good person or not.
And I think that's a big thing that people have to understand.
They're going to go, well, what does that mean?
I think just common sense of being a good person.
phil labonte
Yeah, there are a lot of people that watch this podcast that are going to basically be like, oh, well, duh, Phil.
But the situation that we're in now is if you say things that step out of line with the left, they just essentially say you're right wing.
And it doesn't matter how many issues it is.
It doesn't matter if it's a lot of issues or just one of their issues they hold dear.
jamie kennedy
But, bro, let me say this.
I love that you're promoting your album through this whole thing.
Hilarious.
Is that it's changing, and Hollywood is way more common sense than people realize.
They just don't want to say it because they don't want to fuck their money up.
But their money is changing because more people are like, this is too much.
tim pool
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
You know what I mean?
We're getting back to normalcy, which I would consider an 80s movie.
ian crossland
You know, one thing you said.
tim pool
Those were great.
jamie kennedy
Yeah.
tim pool
Some of the best movies ever made.
Yeah.
Making more of those.
jamie kennedy
Exactly.
phil labonte
We need to Sherman, Illinois.
jamie kennedy
Exactly.
Making loud comedies and just that type of stuff.
So it is changing.
tim pool
Where's Groundhog Day?
You know what I mean?
jamie kennedy
Yes.
tim pool
Isn't it like I love this point because it's one of the greatest movies ever made?
It's not a big budget.
It's literally just a comedian and human actors, and they use film to create a time loop.
They don't do special effects, no crazy CGI.
It's one of the best movies ever made.
All movies today are just lowest common denominator explosions.
jamie kennedy
You rarely get well, that's not true.
There's a lot of amazing art smaller.
tim pool
Sure, but I mean, the point is the big studios aren't releasing these in theaters and they're not becoming cultural icons.
jamie kennedy
No, they are what they're doing is instead of making 10, $10 million movies, they're making $100 million movie.
They're making these super movies for 200 million and they're making way less movies.
When I was coming up, you could audition for four $10 million comedies a week.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie kennedy
Now they don't even make comedies.
tim pool
Yeah.
So it's offensive.
jamie kennedy
It's well, yeah, which is insane, but it is changing because of voices like yourself and other people that are saying, we're not offended.
All the gatekeepers were being offended for people that weren't offended.
So comedy is the first thing to kind of loosen up the culture.
And I think it is changing.
ian crossland
You said something about how you felt demonized for questioning, I think, or that you were questioning.
jamie kennedy
Oh, I was attacked.
ian crossland
For questioning.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And that it should be okay to question.
I want to bring that up because we're tying into what Candace is doing.
And that's her argument: I'm just asking questions.
But I tell you, if you ask the widow of a murdered man, did you kill your husband?
That's punishment.
That process is punishment for the widow.
So, yeah, you might think you're just asking questions, Candace, but at some point, certain questions are more than just questions.
And I think then that argument is used against people when they're honestly like, why do I have to get a vaccination?
Why?
You know, and then they'll be like, hey, some questions are too much to ask.
No, I don't know.
There's a balance.
There is a balance.
You can psyop culture by asking certain questions.
You certainly can.
phil labonte
Would you say that there is a tasteful way to ask even sensitive questions, though?
I mean, if you're asking a question, that's one thing.
But if you're going on a podcast and posing it to your audience, is the question really the important thing?
Or is it about actually garnering a larger audience or feeding meat to your audience that that's the kind of topic that they're interested in?
Because if you're seriously interested in finding out, in the context here, we're talking about Candace, Candace could reach out to Erica and talk to her.
So it's not, in my opinion, it's not that Candace is looking to answer questions.
She's looking to pose questions in order to entertain her audience.
tim pool
Listen, I know what we need to do.
Every time we end a segment, here's my plan.
I'm going to go like this.
Well, it's a real interesting story.
I guess we're going to have to wait and see.
So thanks for hanging out.
Smash the like button.
Hold on a minute.
I just got an email.
Let me check this out.
Oh my God.
phil labonte
Is it your special tips email?
tim pool
Oh my God.
This email.
This email.
I'm going to have to do another video.
Don't miss my show at 1 p.m. when I expose what I just received.
It's terrifying.
And then you end the segment, and everyone's going to go, oh, my God.
And then I'm going to put an Instagram post where I'm like, Ian did it.
That's all I'll say.
And nothing else.
And people are going to be like, whoa, what does he mean?
And then like the 1 p.m. segment is like, just something stupid about Bonnie Blue getting arrested for banging a thousand dudes.
That happened, by the way.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, she got arrested.
tim pool
She got arrested in Bali.
jamie kennedy
1,000 guys?
tim pool
No, no, no.
That was, she banged a thousand dudes in the UK, but she tried banging like 17 dudes in Bali and they arrested her.
So she's going to prison.
phil labonte
Oh.
tim pool
She's in prison now.
No.
We'll cover this story later.
unidentified
Anyway, get her out of jail.
tim pool
I got to do it.
I got to do it, guys.
We got to jump to the next story because welcome to the drama.
Welcome to the Candace Show.
So Candace Owens has claimed that I survived a shooting committed by my own brother.
That's what she posted.
And she's doing this because she knows she's intentionally misrepresenting the actual story.
And she is lying because this is what she does.
So let me just, here's a tweet from her.
The shooting Tim Poole survived in December 2022 was committed by his brother, by the way.
His brother was the one who fired the weapon on his property.
He cannot deny this fact.
I will tell you unequivocally right now, there was no shooting that I ever claimed to have survived where my brother fired a weapon.
There is no circumstance where in any capacity my own brother tried to murder me or cause great bodily harm to me.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I'll be careful because we're brothers and we fought when we were kids.
But my brother has never tried to end my life or hurt me in any way in any way, well, in any serious way.
He punched me in the arm once, but come on.
Candace is doing this because she is an insane person who lies.
So I want to make sure I can say this very, very clearly.
The shooting, she put in quotes, okay?
I never claimed there was a shooting in December of 2022, a shooting as if to imply someone came here to shoot.
I never claimed I survived a shooting in December 2022.
What actually happened in December of 2022, I posted on X at our property where we were not present, intruders broke in and a staffer opened fire on these people.
I never used the word survived, nor did I claim that my life was in danger or that there was a shooting.
She is intentionally misrepresenting a tweet I made, which has resulted in people saying things like this.
One of her followers, she didn't say try to shoot you.
She said it was your brother who had run off from security after breaking into your place.
If it wasn't Chris and he wasn't involved, just state that as a fact.
Why twist what she said?
Okay.
My brother Chris never had to break onto the property.
You know why?
Because he has a key.
Actually, we ask him to be here sometimes.
There's no breaking in.
In fact, he can tell the security to leave if he wants to, although I wouldn't recommend it.
My brother is actually a manager at the company who does work here.
This is an insane fabrication, an absolutely insane story.
They've started posting photos of my brother, who's not a public figure.
This is how insane it is right now with what Candace is doing.
And the crazy thing to me is, well, you know what?
I'm not going to say it's crazy.
I was having a conversation with a prominent conservative personality.
It'll be up to them to say if they want to, you know, I was on the phone with them.
They can mention on their show if they want to talk about this because I don't want to go into greater detail.
But they were just saying she's burning out.
I mean, it's one thing to talk about the Macrones in a way that can never be proven.
Like Bridget McCrone is a man.
What's Bridget McCron going to do?
Like, drop trow on camera, never going to happen.
But she's gotten to the point where to one up her narrative every day, it has to become increasingly crazier.
So, today it's the U.S. military was involved.
Like, sooner or later, this is a joke we made 10 minutes ago.
Sooner or later, it's going to go back to like Charlie Kirk traveled from the future to end his own, like some ridiculous, insane narrative.
Literally now, because I criticized her and she took issue with it and then made up lies about me.
She has tweeted, she put these in quotes.
I want to make sure this is very clear to everybody.
The shooting in quotes, I guess technically, you can call it a shooting, fine, even though I reported intruders came in and a staff member opened fired on them that I quote survived.
I never said that word.
I never said it in this context.
That is not a real quote.
And if you want to make the argument that she's using air quotes as it's meant to represent air quotes, it would imply that I'm dead.
So I'm not dead.
So survived in quotes makes no sense.
I never said that word, never used it in reference to this.
In December 22 was committed by my brother.
She is outright saying there was a shooting that I claimed, I quote, survived, that my brother committed.
This is psychotic.
It is beyond defamation.
It is absolutely unhinged and vile and evil to claim my own brother would do anything like this.
And it's absolutely, absolutely false.
She is an evil person.
Now, what I can say is, we do have this video.
Probably shouldn't play it, but I'm going to play it for you.
Some guy called the wrong sheriff's department and then asked them whether or not there was a shooting reported, to which they said no.
And he says that proves it Tim's lying.
The only problem is he called some random sheriff's department.
Cam Higbee called the correct sheriff's department and they confirmed it.
And so I'm going to play the video for you and you can hear it straight from Cam Higby.
Cam Higby, he censors pertinent details.
And so I respect him for doing that.
And here's the clip from Cam Sheriff's Office.
cam higby
Sorry, I got tongue tied.
tim pool
Sheriff's office.
cam higby
No worries.
Hi, this is Cameron Higby.
I just wanted to call and verify receipt of a report that should have been filed with you guys or an incident.
unidentified
Okay.
Do you have the incident number?
cam higby
No, I have the name of the person and the incident.
So there was a shooting in Tim Poole's compound, and I wanted to make sure that you guys have, that you guys are aware of that.
It would have been last night, so it would have been the night of 12-5.
It might have been reported the following morning.
unidentified
Thank you for holding.
I'm so sorry.
Yep.
cam higby
No worries.
That's totally okay.
unidentified
Yeah, we just got bombarded with an issue here.
cam higby
I totally get it.
No, you guys have more important things to do, I'm sure.
unidentified
Okay, so it says here it was a third-party caller that called it in.
Okay.
And what road did you say that was?
Oh.
Okay.
cam higby
Got it.
unidentified
I just want to check if that would be the right road.
cam higby
So it was a third-party caller.
And was it that incident I described where somebody drove up and kind of just shot at the place?
Amazing.
Okay.
Well, I'm glad that's on your guys' radar.
And that was in right?
unidentified
Yes, sir.
cam higby
Amazing.
unidentified
Okay.
cam higby
Thank you so much for verifying that.
I appreciate it a lot.
tim pool
The funny thing is, Cam has confirmed report independently.
I have not talked to him about this.
And they're now claiming still that it didn't happen.
This is how insane these people are.
So let me just make sure it's very, very clear for everybody.
This is also distressing.
The fact that people are calling local police departments all over the place and trying to figure out where we live.
And that the police would be like, yep, here's all the information you're requesting.
It's kind of crazy they do, but at the bare minimum, you know, Cam verify this.
Here's what I love.
So some guy calls the wrong department and they're like, we got no reports of that.
And then all of these Candace tards are like, whoa, Tim lied.
Cam Higby calls the correct department and they go, yep, we've got confirmation of that shooting at Tim Poole's property.
And I think they actually said, shut up the property.
And now they're going, how do we even know it's real?
How do we even know this is a real phone call?
elad eliahu
Prove it.
tim pool
Prove it.
phil labonte
That's typical of conspiracy theories, though.
It doesn't matter what information you present or what evidence you present.
It's always looked at as, oh, this confirms.
There's always more questions that they're going to ask because they already believe one narrative and nothing that you present will ever change their mind.
tim pool
So this is the main reason why I highlight these things.
At what point do the people who follow Candace go, well, she must have been lying?
unidentified
They don't.
Right?
tim pool
I mean, like, she's just putting out fake things, but people just follow her anyway.
jamie kennedy
So is this about the most recent shooting?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This is.
jamie kennedy
And about the one in 2022, there was another shooting?
tim pool
Yeah.
In 2022, this is before we set up shop and built the studio.
We weren't here.
And it was early in the morning.
And it was either two or three guys broke in and we had staff on site.
And our staff opened fire on the intruders.
Subsequently, we said on the show, don't come to West Virginia.
We will shoot you.
Like, don't break into our property.
You will die.
And I don't want that to happen.
In this video, you hear they say it's third party.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
We have a security company.
Security company handles everything.
We don't think about it.
So we have guys all over the property with with weapons.
It's a beautiful sight to see like a dude standing there with a, with an AR-15.
You know what I mean?
It's a beautiful sight because I love guns.
America.
It is kind of distressing that it has to be that way.
It's still cool because I like guns, you know, but I'd prefer not to kind of not to live this way.
But so yeah, third party called in.
The new lie they're using is, why was it reported the following day?
Because he said on the 5th and the police report, it's midnight.
Like people, these people don't understand this.
The filing was around two in the morning, just after it happened.
Our security team went on alert and called the police and they were patrols.
And yes, a report was filed.
And then the following morning, after we had our bearings together and we knew that everything was secure and we had filed with the police and all that, I put out that tweet saying this is what happened.
So the question I have is, when Candace claims that I used the word survived a shooting and my brother committed that shooting, that is beyond defamation.
I mean, this is insane.
Anybody who knows my brother knows this is just ridiculous.
It's absolutely not.
He's a veteran.
He's an army veteran.
He's not going to shoot me.
He never tried to do anything like that to me.
It is shockingly offensive and psychotic.
But I think for Candace, she has to continually one-up the narrative to create this mystery box drama podcast she's doing.
So now it's, she said, Tim Poole is going through personal issues.
He's having financial troubles.
He's trying to sell his company.
His brother tried to kill him.
It's just soap opera.
Now imagine all of her followers being like, whoa, Tim Pool's brother tried to kill him.
Like, whoa.
That's what, that's the world they live in.
My buddy Robbie Mann, Robbie, Robbie, I know you're listening.
He was like, dude, it's just, he's like, it's like, it's like a mystery drama, man.
Like, I got to watch every episode.
It's like, you don't know what's going to happen next.
You know, I don't take it that seriously.
And I was like, dude, these are real people.
She is using as puppets in her soap opera.
Arin McIntyre, in an interview with Tate earlier this morning, he said, you are not a real person.
You are a character in her drama.
And her audience don't see you as a real person.
They see you as a fictional character.
They don't understand this is real life.
And someone just fired shots at our property.
And now Candace makes a thumbnail with my picture on it, Kash Patel, and a mystery person silhouette saying who benefited from Charlie Kirk's assassination.
ian crossland
We should probably.
tim pool
That was the purpose.
ian crossland
I'm sorry to interrupt, but also her face.
I put this out who benefited the most.
And it's her face really big on the thumbnail.
And then it's like Tim and Cash next to her.
tim pool
But no one's going to assume that's her.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
I know.
ian crossland
It would be silly, but I mean, she's like, who benefited the most?
Candace Owens will tell.
And it's like, we'll tell you.
And then the couple other smaller pictures was like, who benefited the most, Candace?
tim pool
Yes, this is what she did.
ian crossland
Who's benefited?
tim pool
The billion-dollar question, who stood to benefit from Charlie Kirk's assassination?
And mystery person, Tim Poole, and Kash Patel.
ian crossland
And Candace Owens, like the biggest, most prominent picture in that title is Candace.
tim pool
It is accidentally hilarious.
ian crossland
You know, subconsciously, maybe even.
I don't, I'm not like she intended to make it seem like she was the one that benefited the most, but I mean, she did.
It's her face right next to the question.
elad eliahu
I'm not even sure how does Kash Patel benefit by having the press coverage of solving the actual crime by finding the actual murderer of Charlie Kirk?
Like, is that how he stands to gain here?
phil labonte
It helps his career.
elad eliahu
Well, so by finding the actual murderer of Charlie Kirk.
Yeah.
tim pool
So what she'll end up saying is, no, no, the thumbnail just represents what the show is.
It has nothing to do with the title or the billion-dollar question, right?
In reality, we're not stupid.
We know exactly what she's doing.
The billion-dollar question is the thumbnail.
Who stood to benefit from Charlie Kirk's assassination?
If it wasn't meant to imply I or Cash, she wouldn't have included the silhouette man with the question mark.
She would have shown people that she would have shown turning point USA individuals, people she actually claimed were benefiting.
elad eliahu
She's striking that pose.
That anime pose.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's the Nicola okay boomer pose.
tim pool
Bro, this is crazy.
I just want to stress this.
She said there's a shooting committed by my brother.
Like, that's wild.
elad eliahu
That's wild.
I'm just here to ask some questions too, man.
tim pool
No, that's a statement of fact.
That is a false statement of fact.
That is a psychotic false statement of fact.
My brother never committed a shooting that I claimed I survived.
jamie kennedy
So what are you going to do?
tim pool
Well, I'm not supposed to legally say.
jamie kennedy
Okay.
tim pool
Everyone knows what that means.
jamie kennedy
So in 2022, there was a shooting, and she's saying it was your look.
tim pool
So let's clarify, right?
jamie kennedy
There's two shoes.
There's a lot of shootings.
tim pool
Well, yeah.
So let's clarify.
Shooting is probably a fair verb when our staffer shoots an intruder, right?
However, shooting committed by Tim Poole's brother as if to imply he was trying to kill me and committed as if to imply it was a crime.
So a staffer here fired a shot.
She's saying that she put shooting in quotes.
I don't know why.
And survived in quotes.
Okay.
I never said I survived the shooting.
jamie kennedy
So let me ask you this because I don't know enough about this beef.
Weren't you guys friends at one point?
tim pool
I wouldn't say that we ever were like friends.
It's weird the media said that too.
jamie kennedy
Like I'm only learning about this stuff because of Charlie Kirk and the different world that exists.
So I thought like you and Candace and Charlie and you guys all talk to each other and different.
So, but now it's the reason the road is blazed, correct?
tim pool
I would, I don't think it's fair to say that Candace and I were ever friends because she had been on the show, I think, twice.
jamie kennedy
She was on your show, though.
tim pool
Yeah, for sure.
And I'd been on her show.
With Charlie, however, I actually texted with him.
You know, I had his number.
And I always try to be careful and say that the, you know, it's tough because I don't want to be disrespectful.
If I were to come out and say Charlie and I were not friends, a lot of our mutual friends would be very offended by that statement because like, what do you mean, dude?
Charlie believed in you and he worked.
Like you guys teamed up.
You were here at MFest.
He texted you, but we didn't go golfing together.
We didn't hang out.
We didn't do anything like that.
So with Candace, never talked to her.
A booker booked her on the show.
She came on the show.
We talked.
Said, thank you.
Thanks for coming.
jamie kennedy
Professional engagement.
tim pool
Right.
jamie kennedy
Yeah.
tim pool
With Charlie, it was a little bit more than that, right?
Like, I would text him.
I text him about some stuff.
And, you know, like, I knew him.
I knew Erica.
And our team were also really good friends with his team and worked with them on a regular basis.
So I always try to caveat that, which is kind of an awful thing to do.
But I think it's fair to say we're not drinking buddies.
We weren't golfing or anything like that.
But I think it would be hurtful to probably his friends and family if I said I wasn't friends with him, you know?
Yeah, but I think there's a combination of boredom, political disinterest, and fatigue that has created this world.
And I do believe Candace Owens has a largely female audience.
And now I'm going to be as offensive as possible as I can.
Because someone pointed out to us, I think it was on the show, that Father Ripperger, you find ever heard of him, but he's a very famous Catholic priest exorcist.
And we did a show with him about exorcisms.
And he said demons refer to themselves in the plural and the third person.
So they say, we are Legion.
It's in the Bible.
Demons refer to themselves as we and us.
One of the things that you'll notice with a possessed person is they say they refer to themselves as we and us.
Who else does that?
elad eliahu
Correct, Candice.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Candace refers to herself in the third person.
I'm not kidding.
She tweets in the third person.
This is not a joke.
This is meant to be serious.
I'm being half joking because I'm not a Christian when I say that she's a demon, but she does use the we and us when she refers to herself, but she also tweets in the third person.
She had a tweet at me where she says to blame the pending 2026 midterm loss on Candace Owens is wrong or something like that.
And I tweeted, like, why is she referring to herself in the third person?
That is another characteristic of demonic possession.
It's like how that was offensive to someone claiming to be a Christian.
ian crossland
It's certainly a lack of self-confidence if you disperse like responsibility for your belief into the people around you and say, we think that you, I don't even like speaking for my wife.
I'm not actually married at the moment, but I find it gruesome when a married couple is like, well, we think that I'm like, bro, let her speak for herself.
Tell me what you think.
jamie kennedy
Wait, are you Christian?
tim pool
No.
jamie kennedy
Are you Catholic?
tim pool
I lapsed Catholic.
jamie kennedy
You what?
Lapsed?
tim pool
Yeah, that means I grew up Catholic, but when I was like 12 or 13, my father.
jamie kennedy
You believe in God?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie kennedy
Yeah.
So for me.
tim pool
And demons too, and angels.
jamie kennedy
100%.
This is, you know, the Charlie Kirk thing on the demon side of this.
I do believe he was that whole thing was touched with the divine, meaning that the amount of sickness of people dancing on his grave literally showed themselves as demons.
And I'm not a Bible thumper or anything.
I don't know enough about it.
I was raised Catholic.
But do you agree that the ugliness reared its head?
tim pool
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
I've never seen anything like that.
tim pool
I think it's demonic.
jamie kennedy
Yes, 100%.
There's no other way to describe it.
So we're on the same page with that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, we get into the debate quite a bit about Christianity and the Bible.
And I always, I'm not a Christian.
However, I do believe in God.
I actually do believe in most, I would say, most of the tenets of Christian morality and the commandments.
jamie kennedy
Ten Commandments is pretty spot on, I agree.
tim pool
Yeah, they're fairly based.
There are debates over the limits of divinity that I have with Christians, why I don't consider myself Christian.
jamie kennedy
Meaning, what does that mean?
Limits of divinity.
tim pool
So there is the omniscience, what is it called?
The omniscience paradox or whatever?
elad eliahu
Wrong person to ask.
Well, this is like the Holy Spirit.
tim pool
No, this applies to Judaism all the same.
Can God create a boulder so heavy he himself cannot lift it?
And Christians believe the answer is no, and I believe the answer is yes.
I believe that paradox is a concept of God.
God has the ability to, like, our understanding of logic and paradox is of God, and God's decision as to whether or not it is or is not.
jamie kennedy
Wait, God is God, so he can do anything.
tim pool
Yeah, Christians don't, Christians believe that God is the logos of the universe, therefore he is bound by his nature.
Maybe bound isn't the right word, but he is of his nature, and his nature is logic.
Ergo, it is illogical and paradoxical to create a boulder you can't lift.
So that's Christians are in that camp.
I'm not in that camp.
But yes, I do believe that there is a widespread demonic something going on in this country.
jamie kennedy
In the world, bro.
tim pool
In the world.
jamie kennedy
What if it's not?
In the world, bro.
Like, I mean, listen, I'm older than you guys.
I grew up in the Catholic Church.
I've been in, but I've been in Hollywood for over 35 years.
And then since COVID, shit's gotten weird.
tim pool
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
And I'm telling you, Charlie Kirk, like, it was just my eyes were just, it just, because people were just actively celebrating the most horrific thing you can imagine.
tim pool
Well, are you familiar with basically the last three months of what Candace Owens' show has been?
jamie kennedy
Somewhat, yeah.
I mean, I don't follow it like you, obviously, because you're involved, but yeah, I mean.
tim pool
Well, only recently, because I started calling her out more, and certainly Crowder called her out on a show a while back, and then Ali Bestucki and Ben Shapiro, many people before me.
But I think I did it in the most, what's the right way to say it?
I don't want to say unhinged because I think it was hinged, but it was aggressive and dramatic and emotional.
We'll call it that.
So a lot of people then started sharing this clip where I'm like slamming the table, calling her a vile contact.
jamie kennedy
That was last night.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, look, we're on edge.
Someone shot the property.
Her conspiratards are claiming it never happened, and there's no amount of proof that'll prove it to them.
They'll believe anything as long as she says it, even though she never gives any proof.
jamie kennedy
I mean, do you have footage of it?
tim pool
We do, but we're not putting it like, so here's the impossible circumstance.
jamie kennedy
It's up to you.
I mean, but if you just show the footage, you'll shut everybody up.
tim pool
Show the people trying to kill me where our cameras are placed.
unidentified
You're right.
You're right.
tim pool
And show them the entrance.
jamie kennedy
My bad.
tim pool
Exactly.
jamie kennedy
My bad.
My bad.
tim pool
So I actually, the first thing I did was I talked to the security team.
I said, what can we release?
And they were like, nothing, because now everyone knows where the cameras are and they know how to get in the property.
And I said, okay.
Well, Cam Higbee called the sheriff and the sheriff said, yes, Tim Poole's property was shot at and it's not good enough.
So here's this is what they said.
jamie kennedy
Tim Higby is who?
tim pool
He's a reporter.
phil labonte
Oh, he's the guy that was just on the guy that was reading cops.
jamie kennedy
What if the cops said it?
tim pool
Had what?
jamie kennedy
If the sheriff said, did they report?
elad eliahu
The FBI said that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie.
tim pool
I don't believe it.
elad eliahu
I don't know how much any law enforcement, you know.
tim pool
This is the point.
Maybe when we leave, because we're planning on relocating immediately, this is our last week here.
And then we're having emergency meetings.
Because I'll put it, it's not just us.
We talked about this yesterday.
A lot, like Charlie's dead.
Many other prominent personalities are getting death threats, close calls.
Benny Johnson, Laurel Loomer, Matt Walsh, Katzerd, had a guy show up.
I don't know about all their houses, but at Benny's house, they believe he was armed and he was threatening to kill Matt Walsh's family.
So we're having emergency meetings over how we navigate moving forward because it is getting that serious.
Maybe when we leave, I'll have no problem being like, yeah, here's the footage.
But here's the thing.
Our security guys are like, you really think they're going to believe it?
They're going to claim it's AI.
There's like literally nothing you can do.
jamie kennedy
Very true on the AI.
Here's what's crazy.
Do I get a little bit of a gold star for showing up this week?
Yeah, because I'm over there.
elad eliahu
I'm just as much as the rest of us.
jamie kennedy
This is your world, bro.
I'm with Max, who's out there, and I go, and Max sends me the thing, and I wrote, bro.
And I go, I wrote that and I go, is it still on?
He goes, yeah.
And I go, are we going?
unidentified
It goes, yeah, these things happen.
jamie kennedy
He gets shot at.
That's Max.
Meaning, but no, to his defense, it's like, it's that, dude, I would never have done this a year ago, but it's so insane.
And before the show, we're talking about civil war and how you were educating on civil, whatever.
tim pool
Civil strife and civil strife.
That's my saying.
jamie kennedy
It's fucking insane.
I'm a comedian, if you know, as some people.
And just speaking out, if we're not allowed to give our opinions on things without this insanity, what world do we live in?
So it's, I came here because we have to be able to talk.
And you are, you know, whatever you're moving on, you're moving on, but you are talking and it's important.
tim pool
We think there's a, you know, they say, when God closes a door, he opens a window.
And so one of the biggest challenges that the independent media space, the right-wing space, whatever you want to call it, even though it's really weird to say like.
jamie kennedy
You're like, so far, you're like, to me, to come out here, people are like, oh, he's right-wing, all this stuff.
Tamara, you're not, I don't think you're super right-wing.
tim pool
Well, this is the thing.
phil labonte
I'm fair.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, but fairly liberal, actually.
But left and right, actually.
But left and right is not about your political, your politics anymore.
It's about your tribe in this conflict.
So what we've found is it's a mistake to have all these different little islands everywhere.
And so we've been talking with the Rumble guys and we're like, we need a studio.
We need to bring everybody together.
And we need to, you know, Fox News has this.
jamie kennedy
You're talking about other people like-minded like yourself to be in one hub.
tim pool
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
So like a crowder, I'm not saying you're saying this or, you know, like you're saying, Laura Loomer and all in a place.
tim pool
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Like Loomer does.
tim pool
Loomer does her thing.
Exactly.
But more like a channel with news programming and sports and gaming or otherwise.
The reason being, we all can't afford security.
This is the big challenge, right?
So, you know, Candace is not there lying, claiming that we're under financial distress.
Yeah, because people are trying to kill us and we have to hire insane amounts of security.
Sure, that's absolutely financial distress.
The show-wise, we're very profitable.
We do great.
So the issue now is as the threat level increases and we have to hire more security, which is not something you should have to consider for the most part, but this is the world we're in.
Then yes, the costs become, you don't have to pay for it.
You can run your business.
It's not a core function of producing content.
It's a core function of survival when people are shooting at you.
If we do a single hub, you get one security company that covers all of the content.
So these are just part of the conversations we're having on these emergency meetings, but I think it's potentially awesome because it could mean that content is better in bigger studios with more crossover, new personalities, new shows.
I think it could be massive for Rumble, and I'm very excited.
It is upsetting because we have friends, we have family, we have community where we are.
We've been here for years.
We have neighbors.
We have stories.
And we either go into semi-hiding where I only do solo shows or maybe a show is with a couple of people, but no guests, no public location, hidden, or we bring the shows to a facility that is secure.
It was a, you know, Gary the other day had a great idea with a penthouse because then you can't even get up to the top floor.
So we're exploring all of these ideas of how you do a studio that is secure.
jamie kennedy
Do you know what that is, bro?
Do you know what he's referring to?
elad eliahu
A penthouse?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
Blade Runner.
Have you seen it at least?
Have you seen it recently?
elad eliahu
No.
jamie kennedy
Have you ever seen it?
elad eliahu
Bro, can you give us the rundown?
jamie kennedy
Bro.
tim pool
Yeah, there's a team.
jamie kennedy
He knows what it is.
tim pool
On his back in the sun, what do you do?
jamie kennedy
No, basically.
Turtle over, help him off the road.
Well, there's replicants, but that's a whole other thing.
But basically, this is not a crazy thought, which is it's a cement tower, let's just say 200 feet, and at the top is a penthouse, and you can't get to it.
So society's gone completely apocalyptic, and you can't, it's just like cement.
There's nothing to grab onto.
You see, that movie Elysium is also like this.
So it's a wild thing, but it makes sense.
But my question is, has it ever been, are we seeing everything or has it or is it extra?
Meaning, has there always been this much threats and political violence?
elad eliahu
No.
jamie kennedy
Or are more voices are speaking out more now and we see everything because we see everything.
tim pool
There's more threats.
jamie kennedy
There's always than ever, correct?
tim pool
Well, not than ever.
jamie kennedy
We're not in a full-blown civil war, but we are in a meaning like there could have been people in Cuba if they had Twitter going crazy in the 70s.
phil labonte
In the early part of the 70s, there was something like 1,500 bombings in the United States.
So it's ebbed in flow.
jamie kennedy
At the Olympics, yeah, remember.
phil labonte
It's ebbed and flows.
Like there was a bomb that blew up in the Capitol in the 80s.
jamie kennedy
I feel like, I'm sorry to cut you off, but I feel like as a kid, when we would see Nightline, that was the only thing we would see, but we would see a lot of violence from over there.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
Whatever over there it was.
phil labonte
The United States was more unified in the late 80s, 90s, kind of than it has been since the aughts moving forward.
jamie kennedy
For an independent podcaster is very huge.
I'm saying you're taking these massive amounts of security that you need.
So this is, and you're saying this is a common thing with a lot of people.
phil labonte
Well, yes, there are a lot of people that are in this space that receive death threats.
I mean, like, look, I'm not even the lead guy here or anything like that.
And there are people that send me crazy messages and stuff like that.
So like it is fairly normal to be in this space and receive either hate mail or threats.
99% of the time, they're not to be taken seriously.
You don't even talk about them.
But clearly, there is a small 1% of the time where someone will actually go out and do something crazy.
And it's shown like with the attempts on Donald Trump's life, the two last year.
Yeah, there was a third guy that was talking.
And then there was something that ran up on stage that arguably it could be four.
But yes, it has ramped up, but that's why I said earlier, it ebbs and flows.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I agree with Phil.
It ebbs and flows, but I think a major factor here is social media and the proliferation of social media.
And it allows people to voice their opinions on this.
And unfortunately, it's become totally normalized and celebrated.
These murderers oftentimes on the left, I think, you know, people think the ends justify the means.
And according to how things are going right now on the right, as Tim has said before, again, the assassination of Charlie Kirk has been, you know, the most impactful in a generation.
Going back to Luigi Mangioni, people celebrate this shit.
People celebrate Luigi and say, you know, that our healthcare insurance situation in our country is shit.
How many people did the, did Brian Tom, was it Brian Thompson, I believe?
I believe that was his United Healthcare Insurance Company's CEO at the time said, how many people did he murder by denying different claims and whatnot?
So people justify this violence towards people.
And I think it increases the violence that we see towards people.
It's reinforcing itself.
Also, we're coming off the heels of, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention a lot of Zionists are being, and Jews are being targeted for their pro-Israel stances.
We've seen a couple of people be murdered outside of some, outside of an Israeli embassy, I believe, in Washington, D.C. Not too recently, Joshua Piro had his building firebombed.
And people believe that these people deserve to have violence brought against them because of their political beliefs.
And I think we're going to continue to see more of that.
People believe that they can take, we believe in vigilantism.
And I'll say in Hollywood, too, I feel like we really do romanticize the anti-hero and the idea of the vigilante.
phil labonte
But I mean, to am I wrong?
elad eliahu
I don't know.
I don't watch a lot of movies.
jamie kennedy
Dude, you're not wrong about the anti-hero, but Charles Bronson, there was reason.
There was context there.
You could get behind him.
elad eliahu
What you're saying.
unidentified
How old are you?
phil labonte
Talk about Deathwish.
It was a video.
elad eliahu
I do politics, bro.
I don't do politics.
phil labonte
Well, you brought it up.
I'm closer to your age than you probably.
jamie kennedy
You brought it up.
phil labonte
I'm closer to your age than you realize.
elad eliahu
But would you make anti-hero a justification for why he did what he did?
jamie kennedy
The anti-hero in Hollywood was a character that you get behind.
And even executives go, well, what's his justification for it?
What you're saying is that these people will justify it.
And people like me are going, that's not justifiable.
elad eliahu
People justify anything.
jamie kennedy
insane.
elad eliahu
If you're pro-Israel, then you support genocide.
If you support Luigi Mangione, you're against, you know, health insurance companies.
phil labonte
Nowadays, the stuff that you're talking about.
jamie kennedy
He's got chicks out in the house for him.
phil labonte
It's crazy.
Right now, the stuff that you're talking about is all a narrative that's been built by the left that's really been forced down people's throat for the past 15 to 20 years, right?
The idea that people that are somehow aggrieved by society or aggrieved by the system, they have the right to enact violence on people that they perceive as being the oppressor.
And that's a narrative that you see across the left.
It's the far left narrative being made mainstream because of basically the things that are being taught in colleges and the narrative that you see overall on the left.
elad eliahu
It's fascinating, too, because I think we're seeing a lot of violence from the far left and LGBTQ groups.
A lot of these disgruntled trans people allegedly, Tyler Robinson had a relationship with some trans person.
And one of the reasons for the attack allegedly was because Charlie Kirk was so staunchly against the transgenderism, the ideology of transgenderism.
phil labonte
You can hear it in their vernacular, the way they talk.
They say things like, you don't think that I have the right to live because you don't believe that a man can become a woman.
The way that they perceive things is you don't validate the beliefs that I hold.
And that means that you're enacting violence against me.
elad eliahu
And instead of acknowledging this very real threat from these trans, literally mentally ill far leftists, we have Crackhead Candace yapping her mouth about this random bullshit, making me reconsider, I don't know, maybe the Civil Rights Act was a mistake.
Maybe forcing businesses to accept everybody was a mistake.
Maybe giving the legal groundwork for reverse discrimination in our country was a mistake.
jamie kennedy
You can't demonize a whole group because of radicals.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, that's true, but you can't do that.
jamie kennedy
You can't say LGBTQ.
phil labonte
No, no.
jamie kennedy
You can't just throw the whole group away.
phil labonte
But you can demonize the radicals.
jamie kennedy
You can demonize radicals.
phil labonte
But to your point, Oli, there's a real clear polling poll that came out today that said that Trump's polls, Trump is polling higher than Obama or Bush on this day in their battle of rhetoric because many of these trans people with a lot of mental illnesses will say that Charlie Kirk was advancing a genocide against trans people because he was denying their identities.
elad eliahu
Therefore, violence against Charlie Kirk was justified.
So like it really depends on how you view it because they say that Charlie Kirk was literally being violent to them.
He never actually was, but that's how they describe his actions and rhetoric towards them.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
But let's pull this poll up.
tim pool
Check this out.
Trump polls higher than Obama and Bush on this day in history.
They're trying to claim that Donald Trump is failing.
And I certainly have my criticisms and I have no problem criticizing him on the Epstein stuff and being off message.
However, when I'm talking to this liberal guy and he says, what's Trump's approval rating?
And I'm like, well, in aggregate, it's 44 or whatever, 43.
And he's like, that's right.
It's low.
Obama was worse and Bush was worse.
Fact, surprisingly, Trump is doing better than the past two presidents for the same time in his presidency.
I think this lends itself further into the conversation we're just having about political violence escalation.
There are people in this country that are liberal or on the left.
They danced on the grave of Charlie Kirk.
They celebrated his death.
They celebrate these acts of violence against Nick Sorter and Andy No, and they don't want Trump to be in power.
They call him a white supremacist, a fascist.
But Trump is winning.
Even when they come out and say, look how poorly he's doing in the polls, it's like, oh, wow.
Actually, he's better than the past two presidents in the same time period.
He's doing very well relatively.
phil labonte
This speaks to your point about how the things that Candace is focusing on and making these wild claims and stuff, it totally detracts from the actual important issues, which are things like this, right?
Like to keep people motivated to get out and vote for the conservatives and the right in the upcoming election.
ian crossland
Cheap housing.
We could be talking about graphene housing so easily.
Graphene and concrete, you make it's 50% more durable, bulletproof walls, bulletproof, explosion-proof walls that are cheaper and lighter.
phil labonte
You don't build houses out of concrete normally.
You build the foundation.
tim pool
They're doing it now.
phil labonte
You build the house out of wood.
tim pool
Out of 3D printing calculations.
ian crossland
Have you heard of superwood?
It's like stronger than steel, but made out of pure wood.
jamie kennedy
Sounds like someone's working for big graphene.
phil labonte
He is.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Big carbene.
How much stock you got in graphene companies, Ian?
ian crossland
Not much.
Only a few grand right now.
tim pool
How much do you want to bet?
Ian bought a bunch of stock in a bunch of graphene companies, and that's why he comes in the show.
He's just pumping it.
ian crossland
No, I would start my own.
elad eliahu
Spider-trading graphene.
He is not even savvy.
unidentified
Nobody thinks he would.
elad eliahu
Nobody would think he'd be business savvy enough to do it.
We underestimate you, Ian.
jamie kennedy
Here's the thing with this.
I, you know, by playing clubs and, you know, all over the country, this is not surprising to me at all.
It wasn't surprising to me.
I mean, just play Greenville, North Carolina, or South Carolina, play Scottsdale.
But I also play New York and New York.
Trump, you can say New York is as blue as you want.
It's more red than people realize.
LA is more red than people realize.
So, yeah, the problem is if you said you like Trump, you got shamed for it.
So what do they call it?
The silent majority?
So that's the thing.
And so it's like, I'm not surprised at all.
Here's the thing: people come for Trump and they go, oh, six failed businesses or whatever.
You try to start a business.
I can tell you stocks that I've lost a lot of money in, not graphene.
And I've also made money.
This is what you do.
It's a learning process.
That's like going on stage and having a killer joke every time.
No, you're going to bomb.
It's like making great movies every time.
According to Tim's under the mask was a miss.
So listen, it's just like, I don't believe all this, but I do believe this because the people do feel this way.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And to your point, like, or like we were saying earlier, it's important to keep people motivated because this is something that we talk about a lot.
Like, if the Republicans lose the majority in Congress this coming election, the Democrats are going to shut everything down.
They're not going to, the president is not going to be able to do any more of his agenda.
Everything that he gets done up to that point that they can undo, they will undo, which granted, when he's the president, they're not going to be able to because it's been executive orders.
But go ahead.
jamie kennedy
Is that like I'm just taking my ball and go home?
I mean, it's literally insanity.
Yeah, it's just insanity.
phil labonte
It's totally tribal politics.
jamie kennedy
That's insanity.
phil labonte
If the conservatives lose, if the conservative candidate loses in the next presidential election, because most of the things that Donald Trump has gotten done or gotten accomplished are executive orders, it's all going to be undone.
They will open the borders again.
You'll have a massive influx of illegals and immigrants and stuff.
And you're going to see the DOJ start targeting people that are in the conservative sphere.
They're going to go after, they're going to go right back after parents that care about what their kids are learning in school because they've already done all this stuff.
And it'll be just like it was during the Biden administration.
And this stuff matters.
And the Candace stuff, I know people care about it and they, it, you know, it fills the void they have for entertainment, but that stuff doesn't affect the vast majority of Americans.
tim pool
People are scared to speak out because they know that they have an audience overlap with Candace.
I know some of these people.
I know people listening know who some of these people are.
I remember back in 20, I think 2020, 2019, when we were in Jersey, I went to Best Buy.
And I can't remember what we were doing by monitors or something.
And I met some guy who was like, hey, you're Tim Poole, right?
I'm a big fan.
And I shook his hand and then immediately starts talking about weird QAnon stuff that I had no idea what he was talking about.
And I was like, this doesn't sound right.
And he was like, yeah, you know, Q said this or that or otherwise.
And I was like, I don't know about all that, brother.
That sounds made up.
And he's like, no, man, you just got to, you got to look into it.
And for me, it was kind of like, I didn't realize those kind of people followed me.
I mean, I guess I kind of did, but it's not like the core of our audience.
And I think the reality is most commentators have a percentage of their fans that are going to be low reading comprehension.
That's not meant as an insult, but low reading comprehension, easily gaslit or manipulated.
Candace is building her show around this, intentionally attracting these people.
That's why she says we and us.
They even come to like, she's talking about me and our movement.
And it's like, she doesn't care about you.
She's doing this to build audience.
The reason why, what was her quote?
She said, I'm not a flat earther or a round earther.
I've abandoned the cult of science or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because she doesn't want to offend anybody.
She's going for a low.
It was something like that.
It's lowest common denominator.
But let's say you're a Twitter personality or a YouTuber.
You might be saying like, look, 15, 20% of my audience are big fans of hers.
I'd rather not piss them off by saying anything.
So nobody wants to say anything.
They're all scared of losing audience.
Surprisingly, it seems that there are only a small amount of people who aren't scared.
Nick Fuentes being one of them.
I actually love that clip where he said, someone said, why did you stop noticing when it came to Charlie Kirk?
And then he was like, I'm not even going to pretend to rationalize what you're saying.
You're an idiot.
And then he goes, respectfully, no, disrespectfully.
You're more.
I thought it was fantastic.
That he's not going to play that game.
Ellie Betstucky came out and was critical of Candace Owens and politely, much more politely than I would have been, or that I was, and Ben Shapiro.
But there are a lot of personalities right now.
They don't want to see their subscriber count go down.
They don't want to do it.
Well, if that's the world we live in, like, you know, my whole point was like, I'm not interested in living in that world.
My interest is this.
Is Donald Trump doing a good job or not?
Because I'm not about the Republican Party.
I can't stand the Republican Party.
I mean, look at Marjorie Taylor Greene being ousted and fighting with Trump.
I think she was one of the best we had, although I think it's fair to have criticisms of her.
Totally fine.
But she came on this show and talked about how in Congress they weren't actually voting on bills.
And she, along with Massey and others, forced them to come and vote on these bills.
And then Trump casts her out.
And the infighting is stupid.
But that being said, I remember COVID.
I remember the vax mandates and the lockdowns.
And this was largely led by Democrat governors in these states.
They put COVID patients in nursing homes and killed people.
Trump is not completely innocent here either.
But it was the Republican Party that offered up the pushback that Ron DeSantis in Florida was where AOC was vacationing to get away from her own state's lockdowns.
That if you were voting for a Republican in Congress, they were going to oppose the mask mandates.
They were showing up to Congress refusing to wear the masks.
That's why I think they're the Washington generals to the Democrats, Harlem, Globetrotters.
Still prefer they win, even if it is just a door stop and not an actual effort, you know, not an actual battering ramp like the Democrats are.
I will take it, and we can then focus on forwarding the line.
But what we are seeing with the Candace conspiratard reality show garbage, we're going to lose the midterms.
And her only response was to refer to herself in the third person, claiming that it's stupid to blame her for it.
jamie kennedy
If you're not, because you say you don't subscribe to any party, and I don't either, but I'm considered to the right, which I definitely probably am.
What do you, but you still support the Republican candidates because they're the best ones?
You're an independent person.
Well, right now you want to see Trump go again, and you want to see that.
tim pool
You know, what's interesting is my family grew up Democrat in Chicago, like most people who live in big cities.
And then I became fairly moderate, independent, slight libertarian leanings, but the Libertarian Party, I'm not a big fan of because they're kind of wacky.
And that meant I was like, you know, I usually vote Democrat.
I thought the Republican Party was stodgy, like McCain.
Give me a break.
Mitt Romney?
I'm the vote for that guy.
But I didn't vote for Obama.
I voted for him the first time, the second time.
jamie kennedy
I did too.
I only voted once and I voted for Obama.
tim pool
Me too.
So my first time voting for a president was Obama.
Second time I said, I'm not interested in this.
jamie kennedy
And same thing.
Yeah, me too.
Same thing.
And that's because I was traveling around the world and people forget this.
Bush was made fun of so much.
And America, they said, oh, you're a joke.
So I'm like, oh, we need to change hope aggression.
So I voted for Obama.
tim pool
We get Hillary versus Trump.
And I just remember I was hanging out in, where was I?
I was hanging out with Frank up in just north.
Was it Connecticut?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I forgot where your studio is, Frank.
Shout out.
And we were watching the debate.
And I think it was where Trump said you'd be in jail and we were laughing our asses off.
And I was like, I ain't voting for any of these clowns.
Hillary Clinton wants to go to war with Russia.
I'm not interested in World War III.
And Donald Trump is a joker.
I'm not interested.
I abstained.
Trump wins the whole time.
I'm basically saying Trump's bad office decorum.
The office of the presidency should be better than this, but they are lying about him.
Then the election, the primaries come up for the Democrats.
And I'm basically like, let's go.
Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang donated the maximum.
2020, I'm like, let's go.
Tulsi and Yang.
And what do they do?
Joe Biden.
So what did I say?
I ain't voting for that guy.
Donald Trump releases his second party camp, second, his second term, sorry, plan.
And I said, I'd be a hypocrite if I ignored all the things he's pointing out, like getting rid of DEI in contracting, no new wars, which he's been really gun for his first time.
I said, okay, I'm going to vote for Trump on this one.
I still think he's lacking in certain areas, decorum, particularly.
jamie kennedy
Decorum, meaning the way he talks.
tim pool
Yeah, he's a dick.
jamie kennedy
But don't you love that he's just blunt?
tim pool
I would say this.
Even to this day, I would prefer a noble leader riding on a steed, championing to his men, we will be a great nation.
And he speaks clearly.
JD Vance has it.
JD?
But Donald Trump saying piggy and stuff, it's Trump.
I'm used to it.
I laugh.
You know what I mean?
jamie kennedy
First of all, you're talking to me.
So if something's funny, I'm going to forgive it first.
That's my language.
So yeah, should he say piggy?
No.
But was it funny?
unidentified
Of course.
jamie kennedy
I laugh my face off.
But here's the thing.
I've got to push back on this.
Hilarious, bro.
Is that you say decorum, but can't you just say it's all pomp and circumstance anyway?
Like this shit, there's shit going on behind.
I actually think that he took the office of the president and made it real.
Meaning that it isn't all, it's all bullshit that we had up into him.
And now he's showing warts and all.
Like, dude, think about it.
tim pool
I mean, I can respect that.
jamie kennedy
Think about all the dirty things that presidents have done behind closed doors.
tim pool
I think JD Vance does it.
Have you seen what he tweets?
jamie kennedy
I like JD Vance because I think he's smart and chilly.
He still does what you want, but he's also real.
I like him all.
tim pool
You saw what did he do?
He called someone a dip shit on Adam.
jamie kennedy
That's okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
No, he's got the professionalism who can sometimes dish it out.
So it's kind of a best of both worlds scenario.
But, you know, when it comes to the Republican Party, here's the issue.
I don't completely agree with him on policy, and they're feckless and ineffective.
But here's the thing: the reason I brought up my support for Democrats in 2020 is as an independent, I do not foresee a future where a viable Democrat appears that a moderate could vote for.
jamie kennedy
Dude, use English.
tim pool
AOC is a lunatic, and Zoran Mandani makes promises he can't fulfill.
Elizabeth Warren lies and proposes policies that make literally no sense.
And Chuck Schumer, the same.
Nancy Pelosi is a crackbot.
Thank God she's getting out.
What candidate do the Democrats have where I can be like that represents the moderate individual?
There's nobody.
jamie kennedy
Well, I know.
And I live in California and we have Gavin.
Oh, yeah.
And there's no way I'm supporting him.
elad eliahu
The Democrats you would support are working for the president.
Tulsi Gabby.
tim pool
Exactly.
elad eliahu
RFK Jr. Jr. or DNI.
HHS secretary right now.
jamie kennedy
Are they Democrats?
tim pool
They were.
jamie kennedy
Tulsi and RFK Jr. are great.
tim pool
Exactly.
jamie kennedy
So are they just Democrat in name, but not really?
tim pool
No, they're not even Democrat in name anymore.
ian crossland
Tulsi was in the party and then left the party because he was being treated so poorly and then was asked by Trump.
And I think RFK was always independent.
unidentified
I don't know.
elad eliahu
RFK ran as a Democrat, I believe, then went independent and then joined the administration.
I'm going to double-check.
ian crossland
That is what a damning thing to happen to a political party.
That is.
jamie kennedy
See, the thing is, because you guys know way more than I do, the two-party system, do you agree, needs to be disrupted?
ian crossland
Yes.
jamie kennedy
And how will it ever be disrupted?
tim pool
No.
elad eliahu
I don't know that's possible.
jamie kennedy
Trump was an independent.
unidentified
Huh?
elad eliahu
I like the two-party system.
I think the two-party system is a good thing.
I think it helps prevent extremism.
I think the moderates in both parties are able to normalize.
jamie kennedy
But there are extremes.
There are extremes in the world.
elad eliahu
For example, the Democrats have the socialists, but they, you know, kind of malign them within the party.
And like, there are racists in the Republican Party, but the Republican Party largely, you know, maligns them.
So they keep their extremists in check.
And if you are popular enough in the party, you could take over the party, which is what President Trump did.
President Trump didn't come from like an interest group within the Republican Party, and he managed to take the whole thing over.
And if you want to take over the party, I feel like it's there for the taking for both parties.
And both parties also evolve as time changes.
I think we're going into a realignment right now where both parties are going to be very different in 10 years than they are now.
tim pool
I'm sick of the Republicans doing nothing.
They just do nothing.
They have power and they do nothing.
They do nothing.
elad eliahu
Well, they're doing mass deportations right now.
I think that's the point.
tim pool
No, Donald Trump is its executive branch.
elad eliahu
Well, they had to pass the one big beautiful bill in the House, which passed most of the president's agenda because they had such a slim majority, as I understand.
tim pool
I will give them that.
elad eliahu
And it was Thomas Massey, again, who did vote in posture against this.
And then it was also like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who you were complimenting earlier, who forced the vote on the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, which sunk a lot of Republican.
tim pool
It wasted time in the Trump screwed up the Epstein stuff, and there's no way around this.
That's just end of story.
There are, let me ask you this.
What do you think about the Epstein stuff?
jamie kennedy
What do I think?
It should be 100% exposed.
tim pool
And how do you think Trump handled it?
jamie kennedy
Very weird.
He said, we're talking about this again, that whole thing when you ran on.
And listen, I love Trump, but to run on that and to it's the most horrific crime that can be committed.
And then to sit there and say, I'm going to put out all the names and then just go that one day where he goes, are we still talking about this?
Like, what?
That was a bizarro land.
So, no, it needs to be exposed.
And clearly, there's something being covered up.
elad eliahu
I think this is time.
I don't think anything's going to come of the new Jeffrey Trump transparency activity.
tim pool
Trump could have responded.
Like, here's the point I made in the beginning.
As soon as, you know, Dan and Dan Bongino and Kash Patel do these interviews, and everyone's like, that's weird.
Dan Bongino could have literally come out and just said, trust us, guys, we're working on it.
It's going to be rough because we're investigating and it may take time.
Thank you and have a nice day.
And people are like, oh, wow, Dan's on the case.
And that's Trump coming out being like, it's a hoax, Democrat hoax, ignore it.
That's weird and unnecessary.
jamie kennedy
Yes, bizarre.
It's weird that it's a hoax.
elad eliahu
So I think it's abstraction was a hoax.
Okay, that's what a hoax was because, again, between all of us, we know that people who are crazy about the Jeffrey Epstein files will never be satisfied with no matter what comes out.
And Democrats were using this as an excuse to bog down the president-Trump administration from accomplishing anything else.
So while they were trying to, the president was trying to do anything, deport illegal immigrants, prevent new wars from breaking out.
You have Thomas Massey trying to force the vote on something that won't change the hearts and minds of anybody.
tim pool
Listen, Trump could have handled it better.
That's the point.
Fact.
jamie kennedy
Is it still being handled?
tim pool
Yes.
jamie kennedy
So are we having it come out?
tim pool
A judge just ordered the release starting with the Geelain Maxwell grand jury testimony.
And it's funny because the judge was like, this is ridiculous.
We shouldn't do this.
I don't want to do it anyway.
elad eliahu
And as I understand, though, Pam Bondi could censor anything that she deems secret to national security or if they're victims that they're going to block out.
But again, the people who want to see more Jeffrey Epstein files, again, won't be satisfied with this.
tim pool
We're not going to get anything substantive, which is why it's stupid because Trump could have literally been like, yeah, we're going to get it out.
We're working on it right now.
Thank you.
And then Pam could have just censored whatever they didn't like.
Trump handled it miserably.
elad eliahu
Sure.
tim pool
I think the evidence has already been destroyed.
I don't think we're going to get the truth on this stuff.
And I think whether you believe Trump was in on it or not, I don't think Trump is implicated by it.
I think he just did not handle it properly.
And it created confusion and disarray, which resulted in an opportunity for Democrats to attack.
Listen, I don't care all that much about it.
We don't need to debate the Epstein stuff.
It's coming out.
It's done.
The point is, Trump has some mistakes, but as a president, he's doing fairly well, as we point out with this polling.
The Republicans in Congress are doing very little.
elad eliahu
I think I agree with you.
I think in particular, the president messed up on this, but Pam Bondi really dropped the ball when she invited all those influencers in and made them look like idiots when they had these binders of allegedly new information regarding Jeffrey Epstein, but didn't.
Tim, I did want to ask you, though, following her announcement that she's not going to be running for re-election, Marjorie Taylor Green's, Marjorie Taylor Greene's been making her rounds around the media circuit.
I don't know if you've seen on CNN, 60 Minutes, bashing the president, essentially.
She also went on a couple of podcasts saying, like, explaining how we're going a little bit too far and it's a little bit too cruel how ICE is going around.
tim pool
Trump's going neocon.
It's so funny.
jamie kennedy
What does that term mean?
So, well, you guys speak some terms sometimes.
elad eliahu
It means you're not limperisted.
If you're a neocon, you're not limp risted.
That's really what it comes down to.
jamie kennedy
What is it?
elad eliahu
You're not limperisted.
You have a spine.
If you're a neocon, you're just not a huge pussy.
That's really what it comes down to.
tim pool
Neoconservative is a political term that usually reference the conservative, the elements of the Republican Party and conservatives in this country who believe in foreign intervention, war, the petrodollar, establishing U.S. military might around the world.
jamie kennedy
Peace through strength.
elad eliahu
In short, neocons believe in so-called peace through strength, that we could use our military and our huge military to help instill peace across the country and plan it.
Sometimes that leads to war and conflicts, but that's the ideology of the neocon.
Peace through strength.
Peace.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, but we should use.
Is that bad?
elad eliahu
Well, Tim thinks so.
jamie kennedy
So let me ask you.
So Rhino is Republican in name only, meaning that they are, but they don't subscribe to all the Republicans.
elad eliahu
Rhino is just because you're pissed at somebody and you want to slander them as a Republican.
So, for example, I'll say, you know, Thomas Massey's a Rhino because he never votes with Republicans or not on the most substantiative question.
jamie kennedy
But bro, that's like my Charles Bronson for you.
I don't know who Thomas Massey is.
tim pool
I got a question.
Should we have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan this year?
No, Originally.
Back in 2000, should we have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?
jamie kennedy
All right, dude, this is a question.
Hard on a hard question.
So let me ask you this.
I don't, you know, I don't want any wars.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
You know what I'm saying?
Obviously.
I'm not a neocon.
We live in a crazy world.
But if it was for oil and for us to take the oil and raid the country, then no.
But if it was to protect innocent people and protect them from a dictator, then yes.
ian crossland
No, I think it was.
tim pool
Then I would say you are in neocon territory.
jamie kennedy
I don't know.
elad eliahu
No.
According to Tim.
tim pool
Yeah, I'd say no, because I think the idea that you want to invade China next?
jamie kennedy
No.
I don't want to invade anybody.
tim pool
Why invade Iraq?
jamie kennedy
Because I have no idea.
Was it for oil or was it for weapons of mass destruction?
And then, wasn't there the whole there were no WMDs?
tim pool
Well, for oil.
I would say for oil is a simplification.
It's control of oil supply as a byproduct of U.S. domination in the Middle East.
jamie kennedy
So we're going to go to the English.
ian crossland
They wanted the Suez Canal.
They want to control the Suez Canal.
That's all it is, real.
jamie kennedy
And actors need it.
So let's go simple.
Because I'm telling you, this will help, dude.
Even though I know you got a real smart crowd, you're saying that we invaded it, just invoided it, invaded it for oil, correct?
To steal their oil?
Is that what you're saying?
tim pool
So no.
jamie kennedy
Okay.
However, that would be wrong.
Do we all agree with that would be wrong?
We're taking their oil.
It's not our oil.
You agree with that?
tim pool
That's such a hard thing.
Here's the issue.
ian crossland
If they're evil?
tim pool
No, if they're evil, obviously there's the question is simply like this.
Fuck, dude.
Here's your answer.
Yeah, what is pie?
Ian, what's pie?
ian crossland
Yeah, what's 3.1415?
It's whatever.
tim pool
Or pie.
Hold on, no, Exactly.
The number.
How many digits of pie can you give me?
ian crossland
Seven.
tim pool
Five.
ian crossland
3.1415.
That's all.
tim pool
Nine.
Two.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
How many digits of pie do you know?
jamie kennedy
Dude, 3.144.
And I think it keeps going.
tim pool
3.144.
unidentified
Infinite.
ian crossland
It's infinite.
tim pool
Oh, 3.14159.
And I think two is next, but that's about as far as I know of pie.
And I'm not saying this to be like, haha, I got you.
You don't know what pie is.
My point is.
jamie kennedy
I don't.
tim pool
If Ian started sitting here reciting pie to the 100th digit, you'd be like, I don't know if that's true or not.
If I tried to explain to you the history of the region and the U.S. military operation, you'd be like, I don't get it.
So the easiest way to describe it is oil.
jamie kennedy
So what I'm trying to tell you is you said, should we invade?
I'm not an expert on geopolitics or anything like that.
So you said, should we invade it?
If they were a threat to us, then yeah, probably we should, yeah, we should protect ourselves.
Now, here's the question: we're going to just steal their resources.
tim pool
What do you mean by threat?
jamie kennedy
If they're going to nuke us, if they're going to make a dirty bomb, if they're going to drive something into the fucking LBC, you know what that is?
Long beach.
tim pool
So here's the issue.
jamie kennedy
With the two nipples in San Diego.
The real issue is really simple.
unidentified
Dirty bomb dirty bomb Debbie.
tim pool
The real issue is that Saddam Hussein wanted to trade oil outside of the U.S. dollar.
The U.S. controls what's called the petrodollar.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
If you want to buy oil, you got to use U.S. dollars.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So the U.S. said, kill him.
We invaded Afghanistan for nebulous reasons, largely, I'd imagine, to put military bases surrounding Iran for a pincer strike because John Bolton wanted to invade Iran.
Because Iran also doesn't want to be on the petrodollar.
elad eliahu
Should we bomb drug boats coming from Venezuela?
tim pool
That's a different story.
And the answer is, in this circumstance, with what is currently going on, I would say yes.
elad eliahu
Many people would believe that that makes you an eocon.
Oh, shut up.
unidentified
Come on.
elad eliahu
No, no, I'm sure.
Go ask your libertarian friends.
All of them would call you a neoconno.
tim pool
That is not the same thing.
elad eliahu
I agree with you, but writ large, any military action done abroad makes you a neocon.
tim pool
That's not abroad.
jamie kennedy
Neocon is what?
Neo-consonant.
elad eliahu
Conservative.
jamie kennedy
Okay.
elad eliahu
But it's meant to be neoconservative.
unidentified
It's a hawking.
ian crossland
It's like the 80s.
jamie kennedy
Neo-Nazi, new Nazi, all that stuff.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie kennedy
So let's go slow because you said three things there.
Let's go back to what you just said.
You said something about Iran.
unidentified
Right.
jamie kennedy
I forget what you said.
I wanted to comment on it.
tim pool
Iran won't fall in line with the swift payment system, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund.
jamie kennedy
So you're saying every dollar that we have is backed by oil.
unidentified
Petro.
tim pool
Yes.
jamie kennedy
Now that is true.
tim pool
Yes.
jamie kennedy
In the world?
tim pool
Yes.
jamie kennedy
So, but not gold.
tim pool
That's all BS.
Right.
jamie kennedy
So now Saddam wanted to go off of that and back it with what?
tim pool
Potentially Euro?
jamie kennedy
Euro dollars?
tim pool
Euro.
European currency.
jamie kennedy
But what are they backed by?
That's just paper, too.
tim pool
Indeed, it would make them backed by oil.
The idea right now is if you are in a country and you want to buy oil, you need to buy dollars first.
We are the, and this is dying, especially with Saudi Arabia getting off the petro dollar lease, 50, which ended, it was a 50-year lease and it ended recently.
So now the issue is we don't produce anything here.
We sent off our manufacturing to China, to Canada, to Mexico, to Indonesia, but we have the military.
And the military controls the petrodollar.
So we keep telling these other countries, if you want to buy oil, you buy dollars from us.
We set the price.
However, now what's been happening is that Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, other countries are trading in yuan or rubles.
This is putting the petrodollar at risk.
So if you go back in time 20 years, you have Saddam Hussein.
He says, we're considering trading oil in other countries.
ian crossland
Euros, yeah.
It was Euros.
He's called the dollar, the currency of the enemy.
tim pool
Indeed.
So then we said, oh, geez, better go kill him.
Then we have Muamar Gaddafi.
What did he want to do?
Gold dinars.
And he wanted to create the African Union.
So what did Hillary Clinton say?
We came, we saw he died.
jamie kennedy
So people say that Gaddafi wasn't as bad as they say, correct?
tim pool
Well, I don't know enough about life in Libya.
What I can say is after he died, warring militias took over and are massacring each other, and the slave trade is back.
elad eliahu
So I think two things could be true at once.
I know less about Gaddafi than I do about Saddam Hussein, but Saddam Hussein genocided Kurds and other ethnic minorities in the country.
He used chemical weapons against them.
He also, I believe, had an assassination, or he had plans to assassinate George Bush Sr.
Then there was obviously Gulf War I where he was trying to invade Kuwait.
So he was a destabilizing actor in the region and we wanted a democratic ally where we could export their oil and benefit from having our company.
jamie kennedy
Let's just go simple here.
Don't go to that story yet.
Jesus, you're going to such a different story than this.
Let's go.
First of all, are you military, bro?
Are you military?
elad eliahu
Oh, he's former military.
phil labonte
Barely, but yeah.
jamie kennedy
Thank you for your service.
So do you agree that Saddam Hussein, for everything that you know, was an evil, evil fucking person?
tim pool
I don't know that.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie kennedy
Well, let me explain something to you.
In 2007, thank you for your service, brother.
I went over to Baghdad in Kuwait, and I went to one of his palaces.
So here's just one simple thing.
Do you know that Saddam Hussein, every night, let's just say he had 45 palaces, every night they had have a full course meal set because he might show up.
tim pool
Wow.
jamie kennedy
And you never know if he's going to show up.
And do you know that I went to one of his palaces and there was something called the elevator, the golden elevator, which was the doors are golden.
And the crimes that were committed in this elevator and what I was told and what I saw from the handprints were enough to make it sick.
tim pool
I hear you.
jamie kennedy
So what I'm saying is, from our military, from a general who literally looked like, you know, Robert from Apocalypse Now, like these lifer guys told me that it was, they fucking took out a horrific person.
tim pool
Where do we draw the line?
jamie kennedy
I think what we're here right now, and I have to get really passionate about this, is what we've lack in this world is empathy, human connection feeling.
That's why Charlie Kirk fucked me up so much is because when you see blood squirting out of a person's fucking neck and you're a person that has blood in your neck, you should be like, that's fucking crazy.
That could be anybody.
And so that's the human thing of empathy.
tim pool
So which countries should we invade?
jamie kennedy
Again, I'm not a geopolitical person, but any, we shouldn't, we shouldn't invade anyone.
We should be in our own shit, in our own shit.
But if people are trying to fuck with us, it came from like Russia.
unidentified
If people are trying to fuck, but how?
jamie kennedy
Well, China's here.
Dude, if I were to take you in Beverly Hills right now, guess what?
Some of the richest people are Chinese.
tim pool
Indeed, they're buying up our farmland.
They're buying flying sorties in our airspace.
jamie kennedy
Well, I don't know.
We have military practice.
tim pool
Flying planes around our earth.
We've got IP, intellectual property, being stolen by China every day, and they're replicating, stealing our labor.
There's the thousand talents program where they're paying off our academics to steal information from our country that we developed and then reproduce it for pennies on the dollar.
They are absolutely aggressive upon us.
And more importantly, they are raping the Uyghur Muslims and then force them to get abortions.
That's going on right now.
The point is, there are many evil dictators.
There are many evil countries.
Which ones do we decide to invade?
Okay.
jamie kennedy
That's a point, a very valid point.
And my question is: I don't like it that the USA plays cop to the world, but I don't know.
I don't have that answer, dude, because you're right.
There's probably, we would be, our military would never get arrested if we went every country on the planet.
100%.
100%.
And anyone who says shit about the USA and about, oh, this tough and tough, tough, you know what?
Go to the Congo.
Just go there.
Go to.
unidentified
Thank you.
jamie kennedy
Yeah.
Go to the Eastern Bloc of Europe.
Like, these are people that haven't left and they don't understand how good it is in America.
So I understand what you're saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
But I'm going to tell you that I don't know, but you're right.
We would be the busiest military in the world.
tim pool
We got a country to invade.
We got the story from the New York Post.
It's time for the U.S. to invade Indonesia because they arrested Bonnie Blue.
Actually, she's British, so the UK would have to do it, but they're a little preoccupied at the moment.
Porn star Bonnie Blue face up to 15 years in jail after being detained over a bang bus stunt in Bali.
Apparently, she was soliciting like 18-year-olds to do porn.
Good grief.
So she's facing 15 years in prison.
And, yo, if prosecuted and found guilty, 15 years and a fine of $541,000.
Now, what they're saying is they might just deport her.
They might say, look, get her out of the country.
Get these guys out of the country.
We don't want it here.
However, there is a concern that because she is such a disgustingly high-profile, like disgusting and high-profile person, she's famous for banging 1,057 guys in 12 hours.
Indonesia may be offended and they won't, you know, it's one thing if some random person shows up to try to do porn and say, get out of here.
You can't be here.
It's another thing when Bonnie Blue comes here and says, I will defile a nation.
And so one of the theories from legal experts is they may want to make an example out of her, which means if they don't deport her, they may keep her in prison for just a couple of months.
So it may be in February, end of February, they finally let her go.
However, some do predict they'll want to make an example out of her and actually prosecute and send her to prison for up to 15 years.
So she going bye bye.
elad eliahu
Imagine being the secretary of state of some country and like you have a ton of important political issues and sensitivities that you have to deal with.
And then like this comes across your desk.
It's like, oh yeah, there's some whore in Indonesia that was trying to bang, I don't know, 20 dudes for some video.
And like, I don't know, how are you going to get her out?
How are you going to negotiate with the other side?
You have to like call up your Indonesian counterpart and be like, oh, yeah, gee whiz, like reading the news about this Bonnie Blue girl.
And she's like, yeah, she's defiling our country and making us look doing an Indian accent.
It's just a funny situation.
I imagine.
jamie kennedy
What is your take on this?
Because I have my...
elad eliahu
I think it's a Muslim-majority country or an Islamic country, and I think they take that shit seriously.
Didn't you go to school there for a day or two, Serge?
Am I doxxing you?
Singapore, Indonesia.
It's all in that islandy Southeast.
phil labonte
It's a bad idea to do this kind of stuff.
Like going to going to countries where you know they don't take this, take kindly to this kind of stuff and then doing it so that way you can make content, you know, like intentionally doing this in a place where it's risque.
So that way you can get hopefully a terrible idea.
tim pool
Bro, she would be executed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, and North Korea.
elad eliahu
List of countries to liberate, I guess.
phil labonte
No.
No.
jamie kennedy
Again, liberate.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because they want to allow Bonnie Blue to bang a thousand guys.
elad eliahu
Yeah, you legally, if you don't allow that, then I guess we will liberate you and liberate your women, I guess.
jamie kennedy
Again, it goes back.
elad eliahu
You have the right to be a whore.
Women in our country have the right to be as big of whores as they want to be.
phil labonte
But that's not free speech, I guess.
jamie kennedy
Let me pose a bigger question here.
So first of all, it shows you how free you are in America that you can do this.
I'm actually turned off right now.
elad eliahu
By her?
jamie kennedy
100%.
And that's coming from me.
And I think our culture has gotten so sexualized that it's bizarrely turning me off.
And I think that once you bang 15 guys in a day, I think you would be done.
But to do 1,000 in 12 hours, so it's sad what this woman does.
Honest to God.
Like there's something beyond gone.
And I don't think it's a joke.
I think it's fucking sad.
And there's a theory out scientifically that you have that much penis and fluid exchange that it ruins you as a woman.
And there's also, if you want to go into the demon shit called succubus.
tim pool
How does it ruin her?
jamie kennedy
Like, I believe it does too, but okay, do you believe, do you understand that energy?
Do you believe an energy is real?
Well, yes or no?
Yes.
You understand what these energy?
The water experiment.
Do you know what that is?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't believe that's real.
jamie kennedy
You don't believe it at all.
ian crossland
They've done more.
jamie kennedy
You don't believe it at all.
I don't believe it at all.
elad eliahu
What's the water experiment?
tim pool
Slow down.
Are you referring to the molecules changing shape based on the emotion?
Yeah, I don't believe that.
jamie kennedy
You don't believe it at all.
ian crossland
It's by Emoto, a Japanese scientist.
But they say that.
jamie kennedy
So you just got mad about somebody not believing what happened to you, but now you don't believe this.
That was proven by science.
tim pool
It wasn't proven by science.
jamie kennedy
100%.
Japanese scientists.
tim pool
That's not correct.
ian crossland
It actually is.
tim pool
What they found is that different water had different shapes.
There's no correlation between the emotion.
They couldn't replicate hate, created the same molecule.
jamie kennedy
Have you ever heard of something called cell jumping?
tim pool
What's that?
jamie kennedy
It's when you're around somebody so much that you kind of take on certain traits because their cells in your cells express well.
tim pool
That the same thing is why a couple of things is you are the summation of the five people who surround you.
jamie kennedy
100%.
tim pool
It's not biological, it's behavioral.
jamie kennedy
I used to believe that.
And I know I sound like I'm from Oregon right now and I'm making a dream catcher, but dude, this changed me.
And there's some truth to this shit.
And it has to be proven because someone like you who has a big voice has to see it.
And I don't, I'm not going to convince you right now, but I believe it's more real than just darty farty shit.
tim pool
If they can take water, charge it with emotion, and the molecules, let me finish, take a certain shape, then they can replicate that in another bit of water more than once, doing a couple times to prove that it can be repeated.
I'll believe it.
They never did that.
jamie kennedy
I think they have.
But number two is: do you understand that?
Okay, do you do you believe that words have power?
tim pool
What does that mean?
jamie kennedy
I used to not think this.
Words have power.
If you say words, you'll have power with the word.
The word becomes powerful.
elad eliahu
Speech and rhetoric can have worldly impact.
jamie kennedy
100%.
So, for instance, if you were to go, if you were to go to bed every night, there's a way of psychology.
I'm going to try to explain this simply.
The first thing you have to do is say what you want.
So, tomorrow, if you say, I want to jog a mile, I want to jog a mile.
I want to jog a mile.
It's either 30 or three times that you say this before you go to sleep that it starts embedding itself onto yourself, in your system, your neurological system.
I want to jog a mile.
Then you write it down: I want to jog a mile.
I want to jog a mile.
I want to jog a mile.
You do this.
It's called it's subconsciously training yourself.
So, boom, the next day, there's a very good chance that you will try to jog a mile.
Simple, that is scientific.
elad eliahu
Positive affirmations.
jamie kennedy
Yes, and it sounds crazy, but it's natural.
tim pool
I want to put it like this.
jamie kennedy
But what I'm saying is, if go ahead, what were you the question?
tim pool
I have to do with this.
I can understand that maybe some people need to do that.
You know, if they're going to run a mile, me, I literally just decide if I want to run a mile, I'll go do it.
I don't need to affirm it to myself or anything like that.
elad eliahu
Is it psychological or physical?
jamie kennedy
It's what I used to think it was fucking, I used to think this was hippie shit, like psychological, which is fine.
elad eliahu
And I don't know.
jamie kennedy
But no, I thought it was like energy, which sounds hippie, psychological, which has an effect on us.
And now it's becoming real.
elad eliahu
Do you believe in the power of numbers?
jamie kennedy
That I do believe in, but I don't know enough about it.
elad eliahu
I want to pivot back to this story real quick and like anything.
No, just because we had a numerology yesterday.
Is that true?
jamie kennedy
Do you believe it?
tim pool
Numerology?
No, I don't.
I intentionally read the wrong reading for a lot and he believed it.
And then I was flattered.
jamie kennedy
A thousand guys.
Let's say a thousand guys.
You have sex with a thousand guys and a thousand different types of semen gets in you.
You don't think that's going to be a good thing?
elad eliahu
I don't think it's numerology as to why that's gross and bad, though.
jamie kennedy
But you don't think it's going to ruin you?
You don't think it could ban energy?
elad eliahu
I don't know.
I wouldn't call it energy.
I call it sperm and STDs potentially.
But here's the thing about that is porn in social media has evolved so much in the past 30 years that its impact on society and men and particularly young men, I feel like we really need to understand.
So when I was a child, I think most of the viewers here are probably older than I probably understand more deeply than I do.
But when I was a child, in order to see a picture of a naked woman, I remember like the only place that it really existed was like in a gas station.
The internet didn't work well enough.
I wouldn't understand how to get on the websites.
I didn't have access to a computer like that.
To get any sort of content like that, I'd have to like run in a gas station, be in an area that I wasn't supposed to, like peek through like a hidden section and like grab a dirty magazine.
I'd have to open it up because it wouldn't be on the cover and like look at a Playboy magazine.
But the barrier to entry to watch hardcore porn of dozens of people banging this prostitute or whatnot, it's just too easy.
And then the downstream consequences of that are extremely bad.
And we have yet to fully comprehend.
This comes with like the ubiquity of the internet and social media just being so apparent.
And it's not even like just the hardcore stuff.
It's just like so many of my buddies are just scrolling their Instagram feeds and it's fat asses and big chests.
And it's just like, guys, it's the middle of the fucking day.
Like, what are we even doing here?
Like, you're going from political content, news, to just like softcore porn.
And it's, it's just become so normalized and disgusting.
Like, I wouldn't have been able to get that stuff in magazines.
Now you get that stuff just scrolling.
And it seems as though the most lucrative thing that most young women could do is get into porn.
And I don't know where that leaves us, but the societal consequences of this have yet to be seen, and they're going to be really bad.
tim pool
Should she be in jail for what?
For this.
elad eliahu
For having sex with men on camera?
tim pool
I guess it was because she was attempting to.
They arrested her and charged her.
jamie kennedy
She didn't even have sex.
tim pool
I think she might have.
I think it was producing pornography.
elad eliahu
Was it might be legal in Indonesia or there's OnlyFans model.
tim pool
Just call her a hooker, dude.
Here's a question for you: Should it be legal to bang 1,000 guys in 12 hours in the United States?
elad eliahu
Should the government have a bullet to your head, a gun to your head?
jamie kennedy
He asked a question.
Start answering this.
You guys start with you and go around.
He asked that.
Answer the question.
elad eliahu
Should the government?
jamie kennedy
The answer is simple.
Okay.
Yes or no?
phil labonte
The answer is yes.
tim pool
Answer is yes.
jamie kennedy
What was the question?
tim pool
Should it be illegal to bang 1,000 guys in 12 hours?
elad eliahu
Is it the thousandth dick or is it the 500?
tim pool
I don't think it should be.
jamie kennedy
I don't think it should be illegal.
elad eliahu
It's condemnable and moral disgusting.
jamie kennedy
I think you're morally fucking illegally.
You shouldn't do that.
You should not do that.
tim pool
I think there are lines and limits to everything.
And the question is, what do we tolerate?
What don't we?
And while I certainly think there's an argument for why prostitution should be illegal, two consenting adults want to engage in an activity and then they want to exchange money.
It's stupid that you could be like, just don't pay me.
Otherwise, I go to jail, but let's do it anyway.
Oh, I'll buy you dinner later or something.
It's like, get out of here.
elad eliahu
What's the menu?
However, a man.
tim pool
Right.
So all of these things are always defined by legislation that we, the people, will determine to be reasonable.
What I mean is, law on the books isn't always enforced.
Like in West Virginia, it's illegal to cohabitate, but nobody gets arrested for it.
jamie kennedy
Cohabitate, meaning I have a girlfriend?
tim pool
A man and a woman cannot live together in West Virginia.
It's illegal.
jamie kennedy
Unless you're married?
unidentified
Yes.
jamie kennedy
No, you're not.
tim pool
That's not true.
It absolutely is true.
jamie kennedy
You can't live in a house.
And can you just say you're not hooking up?
tim pool
It is illegal in West Virginia to cohabitate.
jamie kennedy
Meaning you can't have a female roommate?
unidentified
Yes.
jamie kennedy
Dude, every stereotype of West Virginia just got reinforced.
Oh my God.
Are you kidding?
elad eliahu
You should live with your cousin.
jamie kennedy
Come on, that's impressive.
tim pool
I got to stop you there.
elad eliahu
You pretend you're not.
unidentified
Come on, come on, come on.
jamie kennedy
I'm an elitist.
tim pool
I got to stop you there because it's actually the opposite stereotype.
jamie kennedy
What's the stereotype here?
tim pool
The stereotype is that they're not having sex.
jamie kennedy
I'm confused.
Listen, the bottom line is this: that's crazy that you can't just have a woman as your roommate.
ian crossland
This says it's not explicitly illegal under state law, but it's subject to specific criminal provisions.
West Virginia Code 6184.
unidentified
Criminalized.
jamie kennedy
No, it's illegal.
tim pool
The issue is they no longer enforce these laws.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They've been on the books forever.
jamie kennedy
So it's old school.
tim pool
It's on the books.
It's in the law, but no cop is going to arrest anyone.
jamie kennedy
Oh, okay.
So you're fine.
tim pool
There are two states that still have laws explicitly, Michigan and Mississippi.
ian crossland
But he doesn't say it's criminal to do lewd and lascivious cohabitation.
tim pool
So maybe if you're not married to a girl in West Virginia and you make porn together, Florida finally repealed it in 2016 and Virginia in 2013.
In 2001, seven states repealed it.
So it actually was on the books for quite a long time.
The point is, there are lots of things that we have as illegal, we don't enforce.
My point is, it's fine to be like, look, I get it.
People can bang who they want to bang.
We're not going to get involved in that.
A thousand people is where you get into lewd and lascivious and obscenity areas where we're like, if we don't say we're not going, she's going on social media apps, promoting it, encouraging it, gloating over it, and getting paid for it.
I say, there's a line.
We should not allow this.
jamie kennedy
Dude, on this line, I agree with you.
And to your point, is, bro, low-key, I get some of those boobs and butts.
And I would swear I was just looking at cats.
elad eliahu
Dude, right?
They're practicing.
jamie kennedy
No, they honestly, dude, I look at food recipes, bro, and I'm getting crazy amount of shit that I didn't ask for.
I reset my algorithm.
It still happens.
So there is a sexualizing, like I'm saying, my buddies, we're all like, yo, it's a turnoff.
So, yeah, it's hard, Tim, because it's such a I agree with you.
This should never happen.
But you're right.
If it affects society at some point, I mean, sorry, we'll draw the line at a thousand.
We're such bastards.
Just don't go 1,001.
That's all we're asking.
elad eliahu
I wanted to follow up with you because I know you have an affinity for libertarians.
And one of their catchphrases is like, it doesn't matter what.
You have an affinity for a libertarian.
tim pool
I literally said I don't like the libertarian party because they're whacking socialism.
elad eliahu
For libertarianism, when you were younger, you had an affinity.
No, I don't have any affinity for libertarianism.
tim pool
I never did.
elad eliahu
I thought you did.
tim pool
I said, I liked libertarians.
I liked Ron Paul because he said, we may not agree on policy, but I'll never force you to do something.
I said, I can accept that.
Well, the libertarians were a bit wacky and all over the place.
elad eliahu
I know they have a saying of like consenting adults behind closed doors should be nasty.
tim pool
Okay.
There's that.
jamie kennedy
Just to add to that, I'll shut up.
Is that the freedom of the people thinking you're taking their rights away?
A lot of these people that are worried about their rights being taken away want to do deviant shit.
Deviants is what I want their rights.
tim pool
The Libertarian Party is a hodgepodge collection of various degenerates who want to do something illegal that they can't.
And they're unified under, let me do my illegal thing and I'll let you do yours.
That's what the Libertarian Party is.
Then you have this one chunk.
jamie kennedy
Isn't that Democrats, too?
tim pool
The Democrats are actually, I'll say whatever to get power.
And it includes degenerate shit.
But the Libertarians have this one, like, here's the big circle of libertarianism.
And there's this tiny chunk called the Mises Caucus where they're like, guys, we still want war and we want to lower taxes.
unidentified
And everyone else is like, can we look at animals doing nerdy things?
tim pool
And they're like, no, stop.
You're ruining this for us.
And then they nominate some gay communist.
phil labonte
There is a distinction between libertarianism and libertinism.
And the libertinism is what has infected the Libertarian Party.
tim pool
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jamie kennedy
Do you guys drink booze?
ian crossland
Nope.
jamie kennedy
I don't either.
None of you guys.
ian crossland
You like fasting and meditate and go into church.
jamie kennedy
Well, meditating would be against him, but I do fast.
But I think it's meditation is not bad either.
tim pool
We got to read your Rumble Rance and chats.
Let's start with Cheeseburger, who says Bonnie Blue literally faffo'd.
ian crossland
Big time.
tim pool
She faffoed, dude.
ian crossland
Faffo right in a bally.
tim pool
Corporal Fett says Candace has effectively destroyed the rights coalition.
Is there any way to fix our coalition?
Is there any way forward?
She's unhinged and quite possibly the greediest woman in politics today.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can fix it.
Dude, if a big magnet gets shattered, you just build a bigger magnet, all the pieces get sucked back right to it.
tim pool
Here's what I see.
For a long time, a lot of people refused to either pay attention or engage with what she was doing.
She increasingly made it crazier and worse.
And because so many people were unwilling to say anything, it became this gigantic mound of chicken crap.
However, as more and more people start coming out, the people who follow her are starting to realize, well, everyone is calling her crazy.
Maybe she is.
See, the thing is, when she's saying crazy things, but everybody's being like, oh, yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
Then people who follow her are like, wow, she's the only one who's talking about it.
There needs to be pushback on these lunatics.
If the right doesn't, what's the right word for this?
The left did not police the woke and allowed them to run amok and go crazy and destroy the Democratic Party.
If the right does not do the same thing for its own side and say, we do not engage the crack pottery, then you will create this sect of Candace conspiratards and people will be like, ah, I don't F with the Republicans, man.
Those are weird people.
elad eliahu
The word you're looking for is gatekeep.
But we don't like to say it because it doesn't sound kosher.
If you don't gatekeep the idiots and retards and conspiracy theorists out of the party, it dilutes.
ian crossland
You keep your friends in check.
If you really care about Candace and what she's doing, tell her.
Talk to her.
But you got to keep people in check.
elad eliahu
Go give her a phone call and say, that's the other thing that she has done for you.
tim pool
You know what it is?
I don't have her number.
She's too sharp for, I imagine if like one of her friends actually went to her and said, you know, here's how I imagine.
They'd be like, Candace, I think you're going a little far.
She'd be like, why am I going too far?
What did I do wrong?
It's ridiculous.
And they'd go, yeah, you're right, Candace.
How do you get to this point where you are so assured of the insanity?
It's because you're too aggressive and people are scared to say anything.
And that's why most conservative commentators would not say anything.
I mean, yo, she literally made a thumbnail that said who benefited from Charlie Kirk's death and used a picture of me like this is what and and so now the message is clear.
If you criticize her, she's going to make you the villain of her drama.
Well, I don't care.
I don't care.
Let's read more of these.
All right.
J.R.R. Rod says, Jamie Kennedy Malibu Most Wanted.
Love that movie.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, what's up, son?
Get you colosterism.
tim pool
Colostrum.
Look at it.
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jamie kennedy
Ronnie Blue.
Yes, she did.
elad eliahu
I haven't seen the movie yet.
tim pool
Asriel says, I have had a effing enough of this BS.
Candace needs to stop.
She at this point is a jealous child.
All I see coming out of her mouth is where, where, where, my hurts, grow up little girl.
Yikes.
Rothlow says the season finale of Candace's show will be her bringing on a channeler of the dead like Cody ITC to ask ask him from beyond the grave.
unidentified
Dude.
elad eliahu
She's a new MLK.
She had a dream.
tim pool
Didn't she say Charlie came to her in a dream?
elad eliahu
Yep, exactly.
Dude, MLK had a crazy dream too.
Maybe we should be making fun of her for it.
tim pool
Jay Dirt Biker says, make historical war movies great again.
I want to see an accurate movie about the Crusades.
That sounds fun.
I'm actually pretty excited about Pendragon Cycle.
It looks really good.
You know, there were like trailer for it.
elad eliahu
I saw the trailer.
There's just so much, I feel like, negative energy surrounding it moving forward.
Like all the behind-the-scenes stuff.
There's so much pressure for it to succeed and replace some.
I feel like they're going for a Game of Thrones type show, at least in some of the graphics that I saw.
And I mean, I'm wishing them the best, and Daily Wire is trying their hand at culture.
But if this doesn't expect, I mean, shit.
tim pool
Jeremy was the power behind it, and he's gone now.
But I looked at the Daily Wire YouTube channel, and the biggest videos they put out are always the behind-the-scenes of Pendragon.
And the trailer comes out and gets millions of views.
I think Jeremy was correct about the direction they needed to go.
Now, Daily Wire just seems to be, with all due respect, because I like these guys, but it's a lot of, it's four guys saying similar things to each other.
There's a limit to this space, you know?
They needed to go in a creative direction.
And I guess, you know, it looks like what happened, I don't know for sure, that there was an internal feud with Jeremy over the direction of the company.
Jeremy wanted to do creative content and make the company bigger than just political commentary.
And then I guess as political commentary starts to wane and that's their real money base, they ousted him or he quit.
I don't know exactly what happened.
And then they're like, now we're going to do political commentary.
And now that's kind of all it is.
But I'm excited for Pendragon and it may end up being massive.
jamie kennedy
So that a video game they're making?
tim pool
The Pendragon Cycle is a series of novels about like King Arthur and Merlin and stuff like that.
ian crossland
Arthur Pendragon is his last name.
jamie kennedy
Yeah.
Okay.
ian crossland
Uther Pendragon is fine.
tim pool
And so they made a movie about it or TV series.
jamie kennedy
Yeah.
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
Daily Wire started working on this years ago.
And it looks good.
jamie kennedy
Oh, it looks sick.
tim pool
It looks pretty dang good.
Yeah.
Like Game of Thrones-esque.
jamie kennedy
And it'll only be available on their thing.
ian crossland
Yep.
jamie kennedy
Okay.
tim pool
Presumably.
elad eliahu
That's a difficult barrier to entry.
tim pool
I'm going to watch it for sure.
ian crossland
You've got to put clips on it.
tim pool
I'm excited for it.
It's coming out next month.
elad eliahu
Yeah, but outside of the people, the conservatives who are already signed up to Daily Wire, it's like, why would you dip your toe in?
Like, I don't know why a liberal would want to support Daily Wire to watch this show because they hate Daily Wire.
So why even give it a chance?
tim pool
Put it on Amazon or something.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, if they flip it to a big streamer.
Yeah.
elad eliahu
But then if one of these outlets buy it, then it's just like, oh, you're working with these fascists.
So they're stuck between a rock and hard play.
tim pool
Let's read this.
We got Patriot Girls.
I just wanted to say I thought Son of the Mask was a cute movie, and I'm 30, if that means anything.
I really enjoyed it.
I loved Loki's character and his relationship with Thor.
Well, there you go.
jamie kennedy
There you go, buddy.
You know what?
That's the age group, though.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
That's fascinating because I have these people.
I go to these conventions all the time.
I was telling them, and they're like, these big autograph conventions are amazing.
And now, like the 23 to 30 tell me they love the movie.
Now, when it came out, everyone tell me they hated the movie.
And I said, why?
And one girl said, well, my mom would just put, you know, me in front of the TV and I'd watch it on loop.
tim pool
I think the issue was the original mask.
jamie kennedy
Well, dude, and I, you know, what I have is that my loop was Scarface, Beverly Hills Cop, and Nightmare on Elm Street.
tim pool
So crazy.
jamie kennedy
But it's a good loop, right?
So it's like, I think it's just people have different things.
tim pool
I think it's because the original mask IP was a bit violent.
And the original, the movie they made was actually more intended for an older audience.
And Son of the Mask is more for like, it's a cookie cartoon for kids, you know?
jamie kennedy
A thousand percent.
There's a lot more, but yes.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So they start telling adults to watch a kid's movie and they're going to be like, well, I don't want to watch this, you know?
jamie kennedy
Yeah.
It could have worked in the sense of adult jokes and then funny visuals for kids.
Like Disney does that the best.
All right.
tim pool
DITW says the Stooges theory might hold.
Candace could be laying groundwork for a Macron lawsuit defense.
It's just an entertainment show all fake and crazy.
Everyone knows it's not serious.
I believe that will be her defense.
We saw similarly with Fox News that it's not news.
It's opinion and entertainment.
I imagine that will be her only defense because, you know, I got to be honest.
My brother's not a public figure.
I mean, they might try to argue he is, but claiming that he committed a shooting in which I claimed to have, quote, survived is psychotic.
It is beyond the pale.
It is insanely offensive and just made up.
And I don't know where she comes up with this nonsense.
elad eliahu
The thing about Candace Owens is that I don't think between her and her husband, they give a crap about any of these defamation suits.
Her husband's worth well over $200 million.
They can weather any of these financial storms.
tim pool
No, they can't.
elad eliahu
You don't think so?
200 plus million?
I mean, I'm sure they have an LLC.
tim pool
Alex Jones owes – they tried suing him for the GDP of France.
phil labonte
$2 billion.
tim pool
No, at first it was.
elad eliahu
Or $1.4 billion.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie kennedy
Something.
Crazy.
elad eliahu
We'll see how this pans out.
I don't think she's scared of these defamation suits.
I think she has the money to, you know, she has FU money.
tim pool
Yes, but accusing someone of trying to murder a family member, a person who's not a public figure, doesn't fall under Times v. Sullivan.
elad eliahu
She's not scared to go after Bridget McCrone.
I mean, she's not.
If she's willing to make up stuff about Bridget McCrone, I mean, you know, she's willing to make up anything about anybody.
You, your family, I mean, it's.
tim pool
People were posting photos of my brother like, this is him.
Like, this is what she does.
Like, I called my brother and I was like, dude, like, are you seeing?
He's like, yeah, I'm tweeting it.
I'm like, well, stop.
jamie kennedy
Are you trying to get, would you ever try to get together with her and talk it out or is that done?
tim pool
Well, there's, there's the question of she's crazy.
You know what I mean?
Like, she wants to do crazy things.
So I don't know that engaging with a lunatic when I'm trying to talk about serious issues and she's claiming the U.S. military, the French Legion, Israel, men in maroon shirts are, you know, Erica's wife is involved.
Like when she's literally just vomiting all over the table, there's no discussion.
It's like someone asked me like, hey, that dog's taking a dump.
Do you want to debate him?
I'll be like, why?
He's just shitting.
ian crossland
We had Milo on the show last week.
tim pool
Yeah, but Milo is very different.
Milo's very different.
ian crossland
He's kind of similar.
He is, of course, very different.
Milo's everybody.
But it was more of a blast.
That show was just a wild explosion.
tim pool
Milo deserves some critique and criticism as he does.
As he does.
But I don't consider him the same as Candace.
ian crossland
And I don't think he's a dirty dog taking a shit, like you said, either.
I just think we didn't get a political discourse that night.
It was still really cool.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
We got Shane H. Wilder.
He says, Cam's verification did nothing to satiate these lunatics.
Now they're like, he edited it.
No, duh.
Cam is a stand-up dude and isn't going to dox the compound's location.
These people are tarded AF.
Yeah, right.
The first guy called literally the wrong police department.
And then they were like, that proves it.
It's intentional lies.
They want it to be a lie.
Dirk T. Sanchez says, I just bought a case of pool water.
One, because of your genuine reaction to Candace yesterday.
And two, to try and encourage you to keep doing ARL.
We need you and your crew, Tim.
Please keep creating.
I love the idea, the preliminary ideas that we've been bouncing around with the Rumble crew about making something bigger and bringing everyone together because having all these independent islands just puts us all at risk.
So if, you know, I was talking about how I was talking with him, and I think I mentioned on the show, like, Fox News is a skyscraper.
So when you go into the studio, ain't nobody getting in there.
elad eliahu
Nope.
tim pool
No bulletproof windows.
You can't open the doors.
And I was like, we need something like that.
But if everybody works out of the same office building and same studio, you only got to hire one security crew for everybody instead of 15 security crews, which is very expensive.
So we'll see where it goes.
We'll see where it goes.
elad eliahu
Have I pushed Fox News hard enough?
Are they in the cards?
No.
tim pool
You give them a call.
elad eliahu
You give them a call.
Somebody there would love, I'm sure, to speak to you.
More than one.
tim pool
Black Hills Ranch says, no, if God creates something so heavy, he can't lift it.
He limited himself.
By that logic, he can create something that can kill him.
Dumb, outdated paradox.
All wrong, Tim.
God is a reason.
He is who he is.
This is why I'm not a Christian.
Because the concept of creation itself Is a creation of God.
And the Christian view is that defies logic, and logic must exist for there to be a God.
And Lot and God is Lot.
He is the logos of the universe.
My perception is God is the infinite singularity of all things.
God is the decider of what is or is not.
The function of the universe was decided by God.
The concept of heavy was decided by God.
The concept of immovable was decided by God.
God could simply decide immovable no longer exists.
God could decide immovable exists.
God could decide to create paradox because paradox was created by God in the first place.
It is strange to me that people would say the reality in which we exist that includes logical contradiction was logical contradiction was not created by God because God is logic.
I say, then I view that as a limitation that is not omnipotence.
My view is that logic itself was decided by God.
God literally decided one day, logic will be this.
Put it into place.
And then we all went, no, if you defy that, God can't do it.
It's like, no, no, you don't understand.
God can move the one and the two whenever he wants.
ian crossland
Well, you're making me think about using vortexes to dampen unraw radiation so that we can dispel with, you know, the limitations on inertia.
And just when you start to accelerate, you keep accelerating.
tim pool
Here's a good one, Methos says tim, consider drones.
They are never in the same place and be equipped with thermals and are relatively cheap.
We actually did look into getting robot dogs for the property.
We get like five robot dogs.
They just walk around and what happens is you'll have like two on rotation where they walk the whole property and then sit down in the charger, and then three will come out, move around and then sit in the charger, and then two comes out and we can mount them with rifles or flamethrowers now, to be fair, probably paintball guns.
unidentified
But you know dude, the robot dogs, that's the way to do it.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, I mean dude.
Yeah, you see the videos.
tim pool
And then what happens is when someone comes in the property, like 15 dogs walk up real slowly and then one of them just tilts back and goes, halt intruder, you are on private property, we will open fire in 15 seconds, do not approach.
And then guns slide up and then the bolt slides back.
elad eliahu
Maybe you could hire a couple Ukrainians to just hang out with the with uh, their self-destructive drones, their suicide drones, and somebody, the.
unidentified
We did that.
We went to Home Depot and we went Trabajo, Trabajo.
tim pool
And then they were like see, they have Mexicans here in West Virginia.
And I was like uh, you guys want to work?
And they were like yeah, we can't work.
What do you want to say?
I was like I just want you to stand in front of my property.
Oh see, i'm kidding, we never did that.
jamie kennedy
I want to go back to.
tim pool
I'm ripping off South Park.
jamie kennedy
By the way, simulation theory do you believe in that or no?
tim pool
What is that?
jamie kennedy
Similar simulation theory that we live in a simulation?
tim pool
Oh, simulation.
I thought you said assimilation.
jamie kennedy
Simulation theory yeah yeah, I know.
tim pool
Simulation, you believe in it?
unidentified
No wow, I think it's impossible to tell.
ian crossland
We should talk about this on the after show too, because you brought up energy.
tim pool
Well, we got to get into finer details on what that means.
So my view is that simulation theory is like if, if you, if you studied any kind of theology, simulation theory is i'll put it like this when you see, like Elon Musk or some tech billionaire go, what if we live in a constructed universe where a more advanced civilization or power created the world we're in.
It's like, ah, that was the first page of the Bible, so simulation theory is a it's, it's like two percent of theology, and priests and philosophers have contemplated these ideas for thousands of years, but simulists seem to have just figured it out instead of actually just going to learned religious folk and asking them.
jamie kennedy
Well, this is going to be too long, so i'll keep it simple, but you know that there's multiple people saying that we live in a hologram, and if you understand what that means, meaning that you know the split atom theory which is, and you know So, you understand the split atom theory.
unidentified
What is that?
jamie kennedy
If they fire two atoms, that's the double-slit experiment.
Yeah, double-slit.
So, do you believe that?
tim pool
So, the interesting thing about the double-slit experiment: if an ant was walking across the table and you were trying to measure the distance the ant walked, so you slammed a ruler next to it, and then the ant turned left, and you went, oh my God, the act of observing the ant has changed its direction.
jamie kennedy
That's what it is.
No, it is no, because you just did a ruler so that affected the ant.
tim pool
Indeed, and what tool are they using to monitor their electrons?
jamie kennedy
You're observing it with your eyes.
tim pool
There's a tool that's interfering with wave particle, with wave function collapse.
And so, the hippies had someone tell them the double-slit experiment, and they went, oh, whoa.
And then the scientists went, guys, what we're actually saying is we don't know the point at which wave function collapse happens.
jamie kennedy
But the scientists aren't on your, they're not saying it's not real.
tim pool
What the scientists are saying is that there is an interference at some point.
We don't know where it is.
They are not saying the act of observation alters reality.
jamie kennedy
I think there's been some papers that said the act of observation does.
If it were mainstream, dude, come on, fucking back me up on this.
I think so.
ian crossland
You got your neurons in your brain, muscles, stomach.
They're all affecting the magnetic field around you, which is affecting everything else.
I could do this all night, which is why I said that's a good thing.
jamie kennedy
I'll shut up.
tim pool
We got a couple more minutes to grab some of these chats.
So we got Legama.
He says, I was very happy to see your 1,000% valid comments about Candace.
The woke Maoists endure and are deeply entrenched in the U.S. Candace's BS is a pebble in the engine of the war machine to root out the woke left, making everything idiotic chaos.
Time to shut her clap trap.
Yeah, I think she's basically like, it's a tumor growing on the right that everybody was scared to address because they'd feel that they felt like it would damage them personally.
But if you don't stop it, then the right will cease to exist and the Democrats will win.
And she literally said, We don't care about your midterms.
She knows she's burning down the coalition.
She does not care, nor does her audience.
They live in Wally World.
They don't care if Democrats win.
jamie kennedy
I do.
tim pool
All right, we got Ferris McLaren says, Occam's razor suggests Hanlon's razors best explain Candace's behavior.
One dummy is taking down TPUSA single-handedly, and you all are conspiracy theorists for assuming she's evil.
So you genuinely believe that you think Candace isn't cognizant of all of the inconsistencies in everything she said.
That she didn't decide today to say, wow, it was the military that did it.
She knows exactly what she's doing.
She's not stupid.
She's very smart.
People don't accidentally get to these positions of power.
When people are like, Donald Trump's a moron, I'm like, no, he's not.
He's a billionaire that owned like 500 different companies and turned a million dollars into a billion dollars.
He's very smart.
It's stupid to look at someone who is doing something consistently successful and go like, yeah, but they're actually stupid.
ian crossland
I mean, there's wisdom, then there's intelligence.
She's obviously highly intelligent, but is she wise?
Does she know the implications of what she's doing?
I don't know.
Because if she really understood the damage she could possibly be doing to humans' emotions, soul, like maybe she wouldn't.
elad eliahu
I think she's a narcissist and she doesn't give a fuck.
tim pool
I love this one.
Trusted source says Tim has what we call CDS, Candace derangement syndrome.
Don't forget Chuck Schumer derangement syndrome, Nancy Pelosi derangement syndrome, Elizabeth Warren derangement syndrome, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez derangement syndrome.
ian crossland
It's like you've got derangement.
tim pool
Derangement syndrome, antifa derangement syndrome, California derangement.
The list goes on of everything I've criticized.
And this one time, it's like Candace is not like, oh, Tim, you're right to quirt.
Yeah, I don't care, dude.
MAGA MAGA 250 says Candace is a fed.
Maybe her lawyers work in the same building as feds.
That was her own revelation.
ian crossland
True.
jamie kennedy
When they say this Fed thing for everyone, that means everyone, they're just on the payroll.
tim pool
Yeah, Candace got the call.
jamie kennedy
So that's when they say when people are feds, because you hear this a lot.
You're a fed.
tim pool
I'll just say it is very interesting that Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
The biggest blow to the right coalition, but more importantly, specifically to Turning Point USA, their leader and founder and main fundraiser, gone.
Someone killed Charlie Kirk to destroy Turning Point and stop his work.
The second most devastating thing done to Turning Point and Charlie's work, Candace Owens.
So we've got a list, right?
Of all the people that have done, you know, from a list of one to 10, who did the most damage to Turning Point USA?
First, you have the assassin, presumably Tyler Robinson.
And second, you have Candace Owens.
After that, I don't know.
They're being sued by somebody, I imagine.
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Jamie, do you want to shout anything out?
jamie kennedy
You can.
My podcast is Hate to Break It To You.
It comes out every Monday at 1 p.m.
Also, just my Instagram is the Jamie Kennedy.
I'm on X, Jamie Kennedy.
Just look for there.
Thank you so much.
ian crossland
I'll take it from here, Jamie.
Hey, man, I just want to talk about energy.
I'm talking about subatomic, you know, the cymatic vibration of reality causing things to appear in place at the subatomic realm, which is probably part of what you're going at.
So we'll maybe we'll tap on that in the after show.
Until then, you can follow me at Ian Crossland across the internet and check out graphene.movie.
We went down to Texas and recorded a bunch of scientists working on nanomaterials.
The documentary will be coming out soon.
You can sign up for the newsletter at graphene.movie.
Bilad.
elad eliahu
Hey, everybody.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
I am Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
I'm excited to announce that later this week I'll be going on an ice ride along up in New York City.
So we'll see how that goes.
And we'll have footage of that on the Timcast News and on my social media.
So be sure to follow at Timcast News on Twitter and Instagram and at Alot Eliyahu as well.
So I'll be away for the next few days for that.
Following that, we don't know exactly what's going on with IRL.
So if you guys don't see me more, I just want to say it was an honor and privilege.
Tim, thank you so much for the opportunities here.
And I've loved and appreciated every moment on here.
So it's been great.
It's been real.
It's been fun.
I hope you figure something out for the future.
And be sure to tune in for more, Phil.
phil labonte
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tim pool
We will see you all at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL at about 30 seconds.
unidentified
Thanks for hanging out there.
tim pool
Are they are they just talking now?
phil labonte
They're just chatting outside.
tim pool
See, this is what happens.
This is Ian.
We're like, guys, run to the bathroom right now if you have to.
You got to go quick.
And they're like, let's just hang out.
phil labonte
He's like, no, it's hang time, man.
I'm just going to chill out here.
tim pool
You know what, man?
I'm going to talk about it before Jamie gets back, but all this hippy-dippy misinterpretation of science stuff is just very funny to me.
There are some weird experiments they did beyond the double-slit experiment, which do raise questions about the nature of reality and time itself.
They tried sending information back in time using wave function collapse.
I forgot the name of the experiment.
You guys in the chat probably know.
But the interesting thing about the double slit experiment is all they're saying is they don't understand wave function collapse.
From this, we can argue at some point, wave function collapses, and what we do to measure interferes this process.
We don't know why.
Hippies go, whoa.
So by looking at it, you change reality.
ian crossland
Yeah, and I'm one of those hippies.
I was just taking a piss thinking about it, and I thought, okay, when you perceive something, you're essentially interfering with it.
In order to perceive light, you have to bounce off of it with your eye.
That means that you're bumping.
phil labonte
No, you're using a photon, it is bouncing off of it.
ian crossland
Well, either your eyes bouncing off the photon.
phil labonte
Your eye stays in your head.
Your eye stays in your head.
The photon bounces.
It's not the same thing.
Your eye stays in your head.
ian crossland
The photon looks like it's staying stable and everything else.
phil labonte
The photon, to look at something, you have to shoot a photon at it.
The photon bounces back.
And part of the problem is when you're looking at subatomic particles, things that are smaller than photons, the photon hitting it changes it.
That's why you can't know a particle's position and velocity because when you shoot the photon at it, it bounces off of it, changing the velocity and the position.
So you can either know the position or you can know the velocity, but you can't know both at the same time because the act of shooting a photon at it, hitting it, and bouncing back to your eye, the photon hitting it changes what the particle is doing.
ian crossland
I think that's true.
phil labonte
That is true.
ian crossland
The reason I mentioned that it's either your eye bouncing off the photon, or it's like if you and I slap high five, who's hitting who?
Like, we're both hitting each other, you know, we're both bouncing off each other.
phil labonte
Your eye stays in your head.
ian crossland
To you, to your perspective, it does.
To the photon, you're flying towards it, and then you bounce off of the photon.
phil labonte
No, photons move through space.
ian crossland
They seem to.
phil labonte
They absolutely.
ian crossland
Or space moves.
phil labonte
They absolutely.
No, photons move through space.
ian crossland
What is space?
phil labonte
The three dimensions that we exist in, the field that we exist in.
ian crossland
You've got to define it, though.
phil labonte
If you're going to say that it's the field that we exist, it is the three-dimensional field that we exist in.
ian crossland
More than just that.
phil labonte
Anyway, there's more things in space, but in the context that we're discussing right now, you're saying that photons, you're telling me the way I understand it is your eye moves to the photon.
No, no, no.
Doesn't happen.
The photon moves through space at the speed of light and bounces off the particle and then comes back to your eye or to whatever the measuring device is, and then, when it hits your eye, it bounces off your eye again.
Well it, I mean, I don't know that it bounces off your eye or if it is absorbed or whatever, but it interferes with your eye.
It enters into your eye yeah, and your eye your your uh, whatever's in your eye, perceives it.
Um, but that, the what you're talking about.
When it comes to part of the the, the whole.
tim pool
No, the photons that enter your eye to allow you to see, do not bounce back out.
They are absorbed inside your eye and cease to exist as photons.
ian crossland
Yeah, there might be some radiation that's lost in the transfer, but they don't like.
phil labonte
So the whole concept that we're talking about here it, the foundational principle, is that particles that that are, that have, that are smaller than a photon right, when the photon hits it, it changes what the particle's doing right, so the change, so you can't know the position and the velocity at the same time, because the act of viewing it changes it.
And then there's a bunch of other things, like you can expand on that and there's all kinds of other uh implications.
That is a very fundamental thing.
tim pool
That is called the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, the question is by the way, let's be real, this fucking ac never went off.
It's cold as balls in here the whole fucking time.
It's not hot at all in here.
I wish there was no ac.
It's fucking freezing.
phil labonte
You dad, what?
tim pool
I'll turn it off and it'll get very hot.
jamie kennedy
Old school Letterman dude, you're a fan, because that's what he did.
tim pool
He kept his studio so cold because you know it's put a jacket on but you can't take your skin off, true?
ian crossland
Does he do it to make his uh guest uncomfortable?
jamie kennedy
No, so you're like, everyone's like this, so you laugh more.
tim pool
It's funny.
We have it's 30 degrees.
It's 30 degrees outside.
We have the air conditioning on in here.
jamie kennedy
It's insane.
Everyone listening.
It's insane.
phil labonte
I've listened when i've got sweat stains in my arm picture.
tim pool
We, we don't turn the heaters on and then what happens is the computers, the computer, the equipment, the lights and everything.
They get very hot.
jamie kennedy
Well okay, i've never noticed it, but you're, you know more when the ace.
tim pool
That's why we have two ac units.
jamie kennedy
The question is, let's go back to this split thing okay, you can't.
You guys are so serious about like what you think you know, okay.
So here's a simple question.
That thing about the cat do you subscribe to the theory is, is the cat there when you're not looking at it?
tim pool
The cat is there in the object permanence.
jamie kennedy
I agree with you.
I believe it is there, but there is a whole theory in science that believes it's not.
tim pool
It's a thought experiment based on experiment, based on the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
Yes, it's not meant to be taken literally.
ian crossland
The cat is both alive and dead, but you could ask it could be both, that it's a cat and a bunch of electrons.
tim pool
No the, the idea, the idea.
The idea is basically at the quantum level.
There are things we can't quite understand, and the purpose of Schrodinger's cat as a thought experiment is to ask what happens if we take from the quantum weirdness and apply it to something that could be in a physical.
Uh, I think we call this the nanoscopic, which is us.
jamie kennedy
Let's just talk simple though, because you use these words sometimes and I love you, you're smart guy, but geez, these words.
Let's go simple.
Do you believe in the quantum realm?
1000, what do you mean?
tim pool
Quantum realm, okay.
jamie kennedy
So it's really simple.
There was a thing and you can look this up of a, of a, of a some type of Problem, math problem, that all the computers in the world were linked together.
It would take like five billion years.
tim pool
Oh, we're macro scale, sorry.
jamie kennedy
And the new chip that Google or someone invented did it in 30 minutes.
ian crossland
Like a quantum chip or something?
jamie kennedy
Yes.
ian crossland
It can be as one and a zero at the same time.
jamie kennedy
And the argument is, is that the only way to get that much information that fast.
tim pool
Three dimensions.
jamie kennedy
Exactly.
So how do you not believe that?
tim pool
So that is sci-fi silliness.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie kennedy
Dude, you know what my science teacher told me in seventh grade?
tim pool
Yeah, what do you tell you?
jamie kennedy
The more I know, the more I realize I don't know.
tim pool
Indeed, so let me explain it to you.
jamie kennedy
So you're acting like you're just fucking tenured in MIT.
tim pool
Let me let see, when you have such arrogance, that you think you know everything.
Yes.
You laugh at anyone who might challenge you with something you don't know.
jamie kennedy
Okay, go ahead.
tim pool
Whereas the things you're describing, I've actually read and you have not.
jamie kennedy
No, you don't know what I read.
tim pool
So the article, which we covered on this show about how clearly the only way that this information could have been obtained is by going to other dimensions because it requires a trillion years of data calculation is a way to entice ignorant people into following something they don't understand.
Like the reason George W. Bush does, they hate us for our freedom, is because if he actually described the issues at play in the geopolitical realm of warfare, they'd go, huh?
So here's the reality.
Do you know how quantum computers work?
You know qubits are?
jamie kennedy
I know qubits.
I don't.
Yeah, we'll go ahead.
tim pool
So the quantum state, Heisenberg uncertainty, and I'm not even the expert on this.
We don't know the point at which the bit, the particle is a wave or collapses.
Effectively, it's not going to other dimensions.
This is a fun sci-fi thought because it's entertaining.
ian crossland
You got to define dimension.
tim pool
The bit exists in a super state.
And so the idea is, the easy way to explain it is instead of having a look at, we'll go like this.
Imagine there's a maze and it's like this.
And you've got all these little twists and turns.
So you say, I've got a quick way to solve this maze instead of trying to navigate it.
I'm going to pour water in it.
The water fills every possible little nook and cranny and then eventually finds its way out.
And then you say, aha, now we see the water has made it through the maze.
That's basically a generic algorithm where every line goes in every possible direction.
Quantum computing would be take the maze, lay it flat, and dump water over the top.
And you attack it in every possible vector.
It's just a higher dimension of calculation.
It is a fun thought to say it must be traveling to other dimensions.
That's not proven.
That's not known.
It was one guy who was making an analogy because it makes people interested in the subject matter.
jamie kennedy
Do you believe that there's other dimensions?
tim pool
Do you mean alternate realities?
jamie kennedy
I mean that there's, do you believe that your nose, your eyes, your ears can only access certain things and that there's other things that you can't access because you don't have incredibly vague and I don't know what you mean.
It's really simple.
tim pool
You have that what we can touch here in here are less than one millionth of reality.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, like we like, yeah.
tim pool
That's why we have antennas that can detect X 1,000%.
jamie kennedy
So what I'm trying to say is, I don't know, you'll tell me this, I think there's 11 dimensions.
ian crossland
We're in M-theory.
tim pool
And they access?
I believe it's more than that now.
They keep adding more.
ian crossland
The fourth dimension is time.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, so do you, so I don't know.
I think what you're saying, it's just so certainty, and there's arguments which are hypotheses in science to argue against what you're saying, but you're just like, this is what it is.
And that's like, I think I don't know.
tim pool
11 and M theory, 10 and super string.
And what happened with super string theory is that they couldn't accommodate for some of the – basically what happens is they're like, hey, super string theory makes a lot of sense.
Then someone did a math problem and says, this doesn't add up.
And they went, add a dimension?
ian crossland
One of the things about the way Tim talks is he'll say, I don't believe it.
It doesn't mean he's saying, I think you're wrong.
He's saying, you haven't proven it to me yet.
jamie kennedy
No, I could see you're practical.
tim pool
It would be more like this.
Did you know that in Son of the Mask, the main character.
jamie kennedy
Why do I always have to catch astray?
ian crossland
Dude, Scream was awesome.
tim pool
He grew wings and flew too close to the sun, and then the wings melted off, and he fell to the earth and died.
jamie kennedy
You'd be like— That wasn't in the movie.
tim pool
Yes, it was.
You think you know everything, don't you?
jamie kennedy
No, that's not true.
It's not what we're saying.
Yeah.
tim pool
I read something online that said he flew too close to the sun.
My point is, Icarus.
I certainly don't know everything about M-theory or all these other things.
But when you highlight that one guy said, certainly quantum computers.
jamie kennedy
How do we know it was one guy?
tim pool
Because it was one researcher in the story that we covered on the show.
It was one guy who said a quote that surely must have borrowed this information from other dimensions, other alternate realities.
And a bunch of laymen who otherwise are not interested went, wow.
jamie kennedy
Okay.
tim pool
And that's the trick they use to be like getting, like, it's what Candace does.
jamie kennedy
You're, you're.
Listen, let me just say this.
Just let's say AI for a second.
Do you know that AI is going to make your mind just bend?
You agree with that?
tim pool
What does that mean?
jamie kennedy
You're so strict and principled on what you believe.
The little bit I've met you.
And that's like, you are, though.
You have to be proven wrong, correct?
Like, you're, I love facts and stuff, right?
It seems like you are.
But some of this stuff with AI is going to be so bizarre that you're going to be like, I don't know how to process that.
Do you agree with that?
tim pool
I don't know what that means.
Are you saying that AI is going to produce fake things to manipulate us?
jamie kennedy
That's already happening.
tim pool
Right.
jamie kennedy
So that's, but it's only going to get.
tim pool
We're going to get to a point socially where we say we can't believe our eyes and ears because AI is made fake.
jamie kennedy
1000%.
tim pool
Is that what you're saying?
jamie kennedy
That's one of the things I'm saying.
tim pool
That's absolutely true.
jamie kennedy
That's going to happen.
tim pool
It's happening now.
jamie kennedy
Yeah, it's already happening.
So what reality in itself will be a complete insane?
tim pool
Look at Candace Owens.
Reality is already nonsense.
These people live in this fake reality that she's built.
ian crossland
What the fuck is that?
tim pool
And that's not even AI.
ian crossland
We have these M-A-O-Is, these DMTs.
jamie kennedy
Is that real or is that a character?
tim pool
It's real.
jamie kennedy
It just goes into the fucking psilocybum bill over there.
ian crossland
Your body has a built-in inhibitor to the DMT.
jamie kennedy
But here's the thing.
I will say this because you're making some sense, and I'm not meaning to joke with you.
But what about the DMT experiment where everyone took the same amount of DMT and looked at the fucking?
They saw all the numbers through the laser.
Do you agree with that?
Do you think that's all hookish?
tim pool
That they saw numbers and lasers because they were on drugs?
jamie kennedy
All of them the same thing.
tim pool
They didn't.
I don't believe they saw the same numbers.
They didn't write them down.
jamie kennedy
Okay, dude.
But if all of us took drugs in here and we all saw a number in that board together, so that means we're all having a shared experience.
That's a little weird, don't you?
tim pool
No, it means drugs make you hallucinate.
jamie kennedy
So we're all hallucinating the same thing?
tim pool
They didn't prove it was the same thing.
jamie kennedy
No, but it was in the same world of numbers.
ian crossland
It was like shapes, the numbers or something.
tim pool
They looked at a laser and they saw what they described as code of shapes they couldn't determine, they couldn't recognize, but it looked like writing.
They did not write them down and then compare notes.
That never happened.
ian crossland
Can you pull that video?
Can we pull that video down?
jamie kennedy
Bro, are you on the same page with this or not?
phil labonte
What are you talking about?
Am I on the same page about MT and something that's saying the numbers, if they were all numbers, multiple numbers?
tim pool
No, they were hallucinating.
jamie kennedy
No, they all said they were numbers.
tim pool
They said they were symbols that looked like code, like the matrix.
jamie kennedy
Okay, so all I'm saying.
tim pool
And they didn't prove that they were uniform.
And so, as you've seen, different drugs have different effects.
So if everyone does Molly and then feels real touchy and feely, we don't go, that proves there is a hidden touchy-feely universe accessed by Molly.
jamie kennedy
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
But what I'm saying is, if I took a tab of Bart Simpson, you know what that is?
Acid.
And he took a tab of Bart Simpson.
If me and him both saw the same fucking palm tree, don't you think that'd be weird that we're hallucinating the same thing and he's 10 blocks away from me?
Let's just say that.
tim pool
I would say the difficulty in palm tree is...
jamie kennedy
Whatever.
tim pool
It would have to...
If, like...
If you both went in different rooms and both took acid and then you both saw the same alien face and it was singing gangsters rapping gangsters paradise.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And you didn't communicate with each other.
And then afterwards you went, it was a purple head rapping gangster paradise.
You'd be like, wow, that's very strange, which is why DMT is interesting because there have been people who have taken it and when they blast off, they meet similar people despite never working, communicating with each other.
jamie kennedy
So we're on the same page.
tim pool
The laser experience you're talking about, they never wrote down the symbols and compared them to prove they were seeing the same thing.
ian crossland
Interestingly, I see.
jamie kennedy
All right, well, I'll go off that one, but you're open to that.
tim pool
Yeah, and they're doing extended state DMT and all that stuff to try and figure that out.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
We do got to pull in callers off.
I saw those.
tim pool
We're pulling in uncapped turtle.
Please make Ian stop talking, uncapped turtle.
ian crossland
Can't do it.
You can try.
unidentified
Thank you.
ian crossland
I would love to do that.
Thanks, Turtle.
unidentified
I have a question for your esteemed guests, Mr. Kennedy.
jamie kennedy
Oh, this is a real call.
tim pool
Yes, it is.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
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