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Oct. 25, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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SHOTS FIRED, Leftists ATTACK Coast Guard & Feds In SHOCK Terror Attack | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This morning, in the early hours, a terror attack, far leftists were protesting ICE in Alameda, California, where the Coast Guard was housing several federal agents.
		They were protesting a deployment that was expected to hit the Bay Area, but Trump, after the intervention of many tech billionaires and political individuals, canceled this ICE raid.
		The protesters remained, and then at some point, and for some reason, we don't yet know why, a U-Haul vehicle was driven by what appears to be a leftist extremist and then accelerated high speed in reverse towards law enforcement with weapons aimed who then unloaded on this vehicle, shooting a bystander, as well as the driver.
		Now, we don't know if the bystander was a protester involved or not, but we do have videos of all of this.
		It is absolutely insane.
		Now, if you think that one's crazy, Steve Bennett says Trump's going to get a third term.
		So I guess we'll see and we'll read about what that's all about.
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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can join our Discord server at Timcast.com to get in the community and check out our VIP backstage recordings.
		We did this one earlier today.
		It was a lot of fun.
		Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have Arin McIntyre.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me then.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I host the Orin McIntyre show over at Blaze TV.
		We're on YouTube, Rumble, all those places.
		And of course, I've also got my book, The Total State.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		We also have a fun panel today.
		We got Chuck hanging out.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Hey, what's up, guys?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		How you guys doing?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm the host of the green room.
unidentified		If you want to check that out, it's behind the paywall on Rumble Premium.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So sign up.
unidentified		We released the George Santos video yesterday if you want to get a sneak peek of that.
unidentified		Very cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kellen's hanging out.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I think this is my first appearance on IRL.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Usually behind the scenes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you've been on many times.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		Yeah, as like a panelist, I guess.
		I'm usually filling in for surge when I have been on in the past.
		But hello, everybody.
		My name is Kellen.
		I work behind the scenes here at Timcast.
		We just wrapped an awesome culture war this morning.
		Brian Shapiro was sitting in the seat you were or in, and you know, he brought this energy that makes me really stoked for this culture war event we've got coming up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I called him a retard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he asked me to take it back.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		That's true, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said, please film a video with me saying I'm not a retard.
unidentified		Yeah.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		So make sure you guys check that out and get your tickets to the event coming up on November 8th.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		What's up, guys?
		Tate Brown here, holding it down.
		I'm really excited about this.
		This will be a fun show.
		I love LeVorn, so this is going to be great.
		And yeah, go watch the George Santos tapes released yesterday on the green room.
		There's a wild chat in there.
		I filled him in on a lot of what he missed out in while he was in jail.
		And he didn't know Diane Keaton died.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, he just found out.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He found out and I did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He cried.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It was pretty emotional.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So go watch to see his emotions in full display.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And obviously, for everybody at this point, you understand why Phil's not here.
		He just had a baby.
		Congratulations to Phil Levante.
		Lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
		Shout out.
		We'll have you back when you're ready.
		But in the meantime, let's jump to the first story from Fox KTVU.
		Live updates: gunfire rings out at the end of Bay Area immigration protests.
		Now, the funny thing is, when I first saw this video of, dude, this video is nuts.
		Wait till you guys see it.
		We got updated video.
		ABC News has reported shots fired after vehicle driving erratically attempts to back into Coast Guard base.
		I believe ABC News intentionally obfuscated the truth about what really happened because this was, from all available evidence, a leftist terror attack on a military installation.
		We've got this video here.
		Check this.
		Check it out.
unidentified		For those that are listening, the U-Haul is pulling forward.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The person driving is pulling forward.
		They stop.
		Now they're going to accelerate backwards.
		And there's a ton of dudes with guns aimed, rifles.
unidentified		Listen to this.
unidentified		Stop!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Stop the pedagogy!
		Oh!
		You hear the screaming?
unidentified		No!
unidentified		I can't see it!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, so when I first watched this video, there's a guy going, ah, ah, ah, I'm going to play that again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		See if you can hear what he says, because I can hear what he's saying now.
unidentified		I got hit, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got hit.
		He said that we got video of it.
		This is insane.
		It's not really graphic, but I'm not going to show the full video because he does display a gunshot wound.
		It's not, it's not, it's so for people that people don't know this, the gunshot wound, it's a small hole in his chest.
		You don't, there's no blood spilling everywhere.
		It's just a hole in his chest.
		So I'll just play the beginning where you can see it.
		It won't show the actual footage.
unidentified		You can see the U-Haul right here.
		Get the fuck out, though!
		It's about to back up.
		Look at everybody running.
		I got hit.
		Oh, shit.
		Let me see.
		I think it'll get rubbed up.
		Let's find a way.
		Let me see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So he then pulls his shirt up.
		I'm not going to show it, but someone asked him, is it rubber?
		Bro, these LARPers need to.
		They do not get the game they're playing.
		These, look at, look, I'm going to jump back to this video.
		Look at these guys, these cops.
		They are not playing around.
		It looks like several of them have long guns and some with handguns.
		They were prepared to kill the person who accelerates at a high speed with a box truck towards them.
		And these people are LARPing.
		And after a dude gets shot, they go, Is it rubber?
		Do you see people with rubber bullets?
		These guys have guns at a military installation.
		They are playing live-action roleplay.
		Guys, I think it's getting crazy out there.
		This escalation is getting nuts.
		The left is going to react to this, saying cops shot an innocent person.
		They're going to increase the rhetoric and it's going to get crazy.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		It's very clear.
		This is what happens when you have a generation of revolutionaries who are raised on Marvel movies and Star Wars, right?
		Like they've never seen real violence.
		It's all a video game to them.
		They've never met anybody who's been in combat in law enforcement in the military.
		They've probably never even shot a gun.
		These guys are just out there playing a video game.
		And when the inevitable consequences come, they're still just acting like it's a TV show.
unidentified		Oh, let me see.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		It'll be funny.
		There must be rubber bullets.
		No, man, when you drive a truck and attempt to run over armed men, they're going to shoot you with real bullets so they don't die.
		It's not a game anymore, but that's always the most dangerous people.
		People who don't understand what they're pushing into.
		They're pushing violence, but they don't get what's coming if they actually achieve what they want.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's what you see at a lot of these riots, especially.
		There's literally hired photographers, but not from the press.
		It's to like distribute, you know, high-quality photographs for people's Instagrams because, like, at the end of the day, they just see this, like you said, as some sort of Marvel movie or something like that.
		And yeah, they're totally detached from the reality of like, oh, no, you're dealing with federal law, federal law enforcement.
		Yeah, they're not going to hesitate.
		If you're driving a box truck at them, they're going to let it fly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Part of me hopes these leftists are going to be like, I'm not going to this ever again.
		I don't want to die.
		But I fear that we're actually going to see, considering how extreme things have gotten, is they're going to now use this to recruit.
		Far leftists are going to go to colleges and they're going to show the person going, I got hit, I got hit.
		And they're going to be like, look, they shot a random innocent person.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		This is what they're doing with the costumes in Portland and now in Chicago with the big inflatable costumes.
		It's like, look, we're just having a good time.
		We're silly.
		We're dancing.
		We're not these violent extremists.
		And then Cam Higby actually got it on video yesterday.
		They have a clothing rack, this Antifa like encampment.
		They have a clothing rack of all these inflatable suits.
		So it's planned.
		They're like, hey, we're going to pass these out.
		It's going to make it seem silly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then the media can't, you know, in my younger years, I dressed up like a giant ice cream cone man in one of these suits.
		I had a friend who was a manager at a Dairy Queen, and it was in downtown Chicago, and I'd go and hang out there when I was downtown and just bored and get free ice cream.
		Let's go.
		And then she was complaining that nobody would, like, she was like, someone's supposed to dress up like the ice cream man and go out and dance around and hand out these coupons, but nobody will do it.
		And I was like, what?
		Why not?
		She's like, they're embarrassed.
		And I was like, are you kidding?
		I get to, I will do it right now.
		And she's like, you want to do it?
		I'm like, do you mean I get to be the ice cream cone?
		And so I, you put on the suit and there's a box in it.
		You turn it on and it blows air.
		It's got a tube that goes at the back.
		So it pulls air and it inflates itself.
		You are walking in an inflated tent.
		Now, I'm being a bit silly.
		This is true.
		I did dance around Chicago outside of the, what's it, the Thompson Center?
		It's gone now.
		The point I'm bringing up is that these people could have weapons and you can't see it because the suit's inflated and your arm could be inside.
		You don't need to put it through.
		So the whole thing's like a balloon and you could pull your arms in like this and do it.
		You play video games and it's air-conditioned.
		It's kind of nice.
		But they could have weapons and the cops can't see this.
		So it is particularly, what's the right word?
		Insidious, perhaps, is a word that may describe this.
		My fear is that as this escalation continues, they're going to hold weapons inside of these things to hide them because you can't see the outline of the body.
		And then when the person on camera is in the frog costume dancing and the cops are seen taking him down, the left will use it as propaganda.
		Oh, they're attacking the innocent people who are just dancing.
		Of course, we are paying attention.
		We'll then see them, we'll see them rip the suit open and pull a gun out or something.
		But the left is going to use these tactics because they're playing a manipulation game and it works.
		I'll just give a shout out to the Culture War episode earlier where I asked our friend Brian Shapiro a million times, what was Trump charged with, and he didn't know.
		He just said he was convicted on 34 counts.
		And I'm like, of what?
		And he's like, he had no answer.
		And I'm like, this is what divides left and the right.
		You're saying the government said it was true.
		Therefore, it is.
		I'm saying, I want to see the proof.
		Tell me what happened.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, you even saw to your previous point with the inflatable costumes.
		I think it was in Portland where there was the video of DHS or someone.
		They were spraying mace into like the air intake of the costume.
		Oh, yeah, which is like hilarious.
		Very base.
		We love to see that.
		But like, and a serious note, like from a security concern, that was what was cited by a lot of people online.
		Is they're saying, yeah, as soon as you pull your, you know, your hands in, like, the arms will stay inflated.
		And then you could be doing who knows what in there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You have a knife.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Anything.
		Gooning.
		Who knows?
		Who knows?
		I don't want to know what's going on.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I mean, with that crowd, yeah, probably.
unidentified		Probably.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Like almost 100% naked bike ride.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a frog and all you see is the front of it going like this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, uh-oh, what's going on in there?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't want to know.
		You know what, DHS?
		Leave them secured.
		Let's just have fun.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but this really makes it like the Baudrillards hyper reality of revolution, right?
		Like you have this very strange, abstract version of this where people are dancing around in costumes and no one knows what's real.
		And if somebody gets shot, it's probably just a joke or something.
		Like no one even knows how to take their revolution seriously.
		And this is in, but this also like obscures the real danger because the only reason that things have not gotten worse is that the left is so bad at this, right?
		They're so stupid.
		We have multiple people who were captured by ICE who get shot instead of ICE agents because the guy doesn't know how to shoot when he's trying to assassinate ICE agents.
		We have failed bombings.
		We have failed assaults.
		We have a failed attempt to run a blockade here.
		Like, it's only because these guys are so bad at their job that we don't have multiple dead agents.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was it called?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Not Baudrillard, hyper-reality.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Baudrillard's hyper reality.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Jean Baudrillard's a French philosopher.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm just sitting here being like, the IQ jumped 40 points because a moment ago, he's like, that guy could be gooning in there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're like, Baudrard's hyper reality.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I mean, to be fair, Baudrillard would probably make that reference, but yes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm a listener of his show, and then he starts saying, I'm just sitting there.
		I'm like, I can't even work a Coke freestyle machine.
		And he's like, drop.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's embarrassing.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty good.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I tried to find the diet option and I just like kind of shut up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what needs to happen?
		See, the right isn't subversive enough.
		Conservatives need to buy a bunch of these costumes, join the protest, and then literally just start slapping the belly of the thing so it looks like they're gooning.
		Because then people are going to be like, all of these leftists sit up in front of the ice facility and are just gooning in these weird costumes.
		They'll stop wearing them.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There's something to be said about that point.
		Like following World War II, the Japanese, I think it was the Minister of Culture, Ministry of Tourism, they commissioned anime, like Hello Kitty and these sorts of things because they wanted to soften their image to the world.
		Because at the time, in 1948, you ask someone what they think about Japan.
		They'd be like, oh, they're like committing seppuku and flying planes around in the, you know, so they had to like soften their image.
		And then this is what the left is trying to do.
		But the problem is like you have a frog standing right next to a U-Haul truck flying in reverse.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		This isn't really work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the sad reality of Japan.
		The culture that they've largely built in their media is all just the most brutal stuff.
		So like, what do we watch Simpsons?
		Homer's a moron.
		We had Mary with Children.
		Bundy's a moron.
		You get King of Queens.
		I don't know the guy's name.
		I don't know.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Doug Heffernan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that you go?
		A moron.
		In Japan, and I understand we have superheroes too.
		We have Superman.
		But we put those shows on for kids in the morning, and then we put the morons on at night.
		And it's sad what's happening in Japan because Japan, they actually have Goku.
		Like you go to some of these names.
		I can't remember which area it is, but there's a gigantic cutout of Goku.
		And for those that don't know who he is, it's Dragon Ball Z. The whole saga of Dragon Ball Z is basically beating each other up, fighting, war, people dying.
		And that's their culture.
		This is wild.
		They have shows that are about like kids in high school, and they're all fighting each other and doing martial arts.
		It's just like their high school drama, there's like people fighting each other.
		And I'm like, people in Japan are just real brutal.
		But now they're just getting, they're getting stomped on.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Well, I mean, a lot of it was, Dave Chappelle had a famous bit where he was like, we bombed the masculinity of Japan.
		We dropped two nukes and they started drawing Hello Kitty and stuff.
		And then a lot of anthropologists were like, that's, I mean, he didn't know this, but that's obviously true.
		That is what happened is to an extent the masculinity was bombed out of him and they started drawing the.
		And so you kind of the same thing in the United States where, you know, people are getting a little soft.
		And yeah, that's what the left is trying to do here is reframe this.
		But the problem, like I said earlier, is like, it's really hard to pull that off when there's like a riot happening next to you and it's like clear they're in the same movement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I gotta say, I think Japan historically had like the highest T culture.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Mishima, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I know people are gonna be like, I don't know, man, the Europeans are pretty base.
		But like, yes, the Europeans had more landmass, I think.
		Japan was on this island, but the Japanese people were like, they would commit suicide if they dishonored their family.
		They are probably the gooniest culture of any culture I've ever seen in my life.
		Have you guys ever been to Japan?
		You've been there?
		I have not.
		They have masturbation, like fast food chains, basically.
unidentified		Wait, what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they have a chain of businesses where you can go in to, as the children say, goon.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or the young men say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You go in and do it's the creepiest thing.
unidentified		It's just already creepy to begin with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Japan.
		I'm like, we have to go.
		And we walk.
		Oh, are you kidding?
unidentified		You have to check it out.
		You have to do it.
		I did not say service on the ground at the goon station in Japan.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'll Schwab, you will goon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We did a mini dock.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		What did you do as the Japanese?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		What did you do?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We did a mini dock on the five-story tall sex store.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like famous in Japan.
		And then they have these buildings everywhere.
		And I said, what is that?
		And they're like, our Japanese tour is like, oh, sweetu, you know.
		And I'm like, no, I don't know.
		And they're like, masturbate or masser.
		I don't know how they said.
		Macyllate.
		They can't say ours.
		And then I'm not being mean.
		I just, they can't.
		And we go in and like, there's a bunch of stuff in like plastic.
		It was like plastic cubbies.
		There were towels that were stained and you were supposed to use them.
		And there were TVs of people in the room gooning because they wanted you to watch them.
		And you could buy dirty underwear, porn, and like you'd go into a room and you had the choice of being watched by other people or not.
		And I'm like, this is disgusting.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You just described Lakinta.
		That's what a Lakentha is, you know?
		You just go there, you cheat on your wife, you know, you get a bar fight.
		Like it's kind of fundamentally the same way.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		See, this is what Zoron wants for New York City, though.
		Like he wants these five stations in New York City.
		He's five-story tall.
		Because, no, but in all seriousness, he does want to legalize prostitution.
		And it's just more incentive to get, you know, those.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I respect it if he was honest about it.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		His animal instincts, you know, like that Japan, they're not having kids because everyone's already satisfied.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Would you imagine if Zoron at the debate was just like, well, I just got to say, we want a goon station and we're going to build them.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Was the big idea.
unidentified		Curtis Slee would be like, I got shot outside a goon station in 1985.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Three guys were gooning in front of me when I yelled at them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They shot me.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I will say the video.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hope Slee will win.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		The video in the U-Haul truck with the journalists all LARPers all standing in front.
		It reminds me of the Civil War movie and experiences you've talked about, Tim, where these people think it's a game.
		It doesn't click.
		The gravity of the situation doesn't click in their heads.
		And that's why people were shot because you look at the video and they're standing right in front of guns.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, to be fair, in that second video where the guy got shot, you can't actually see the officers.
		So you're a block away, but these guys had rifles.
		It looks like some of these law enforcement guys are holding long guns, which means that bullet is flying.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a Coast Guard base, right?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		So that was the security checkpoint.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can we just, can we just, guys, it appears, okay, and I don't think anybody disagrees, leftists just tried to attack a Coast Guard base.
		Is this where people go, whoa, the left has gone crazy.
		Let's stop.
		Unfortunately, I don't think so.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've made this point before to like to a lot.
		So Tim Castrio is probably annoyed at this point, but there is something fundamentally about ICE that animates the left, these leftist political agitators.
		Something about ICE specifically animates them.
		And I like to ask guests kind of if we can drill down on what that is.
		From my perspective, it's just because fundamentally, ICE kind of is the bastion of defending America's borders and defending the American nation at large.
		And they have such self-hatred for themselves as Americans, specifically like the white liberals in Portland, that that's what animates them so much because Trump's doing a lot of things.
		What HHS is doing is great and it's very, you know, it's bold and whatnot.
		And in theory, they should be really upset about that.
		When's the last time you saw like FHHS?
unidentified		You know, I want to talk to you, Arin, about this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was debating Grock AI, as one does the other day.
		And it was the issue of Zoran Mamdani wants to close Rikers, release all the prisoners.
		And he says it's because Rikers is an affront to the city.
		It's terrible.
		He wants borough new police stations built.
		But let's be real, the utopian vision of what the left wants to do isn't actually what they're planning on doing.
		It's going to be, we're going to release a lot of these criminals.
		He said, crime is social construct.
		He says a lot of these people can have deferred programs.
		Will Chamberlain responded, Trump should federalize New York and take over, put under federal management before that can happen.
		Wall Street Mav asked Grock if he could, and Grock said, no, Trump can't, which is stupid because Trump can.
		And I then got into this debate with the AI, not because I'm like, ooh, I'm going to argue with the AI.
		I wanted the AI to lay out the case of the corporate press mainstream narrative as to why Trump can't use the authority he legally can.
		And where we ended up was Grok was saying, you know, Trump doesn't have the authority to do it.
		My response is Abraham Lincoln did.
		Grock says Abraham Lincoln was fighting a legitimate civil war, which is fascinatingly stupid and incorrect.
		Abraham Lincoln, after Fort Sumter, suspended habeas corpus from Pennsylvania to D.C. along the rail corridor to protect Union troops from potential sabotage.
		He had members of the Maryland legislature arrested.
		This is April of 1861.
		It was months before the first Battle of Bull Run.
		No one believed a civil war was possible.
		Nobody believed it was even happening.
		In fact, the first use of the term civil war wasn't until 1863.
		So what would happen?
		So the way I look at it right now is we very well may be in a civil war if we're following the same context of 1861.
		That is, Donald Trump is trying to enforce the law.
		He is sending troops from other states into these blue states.
		They're resisting.
		Saboteurs are committing terror attacks against federal law enforcement.
		If Trump were to suspend habeas corpus, which has already been floated by Trump and Miller, it would be within perfect precedent of what presidents have done before.
		Do you think I'm missing the mark on this one?
		Or how do you see what's going on?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, as a proud son of the South, I'm just glad that everyone's suddenly realizing that Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant.
		I mean, that's all I really ask.
		But no, it is funny to watch all these Democrats suddenly turn into John C. Calhoun.
		They recognize, oh, states' rights and limiting the federal government.
		Like, look, you guys have been behind this the whole time, of course, very pro-Lincoln, reconstructing the South, but it's not just that.
		You know, we've had Eisenhower and JFK send troops into the South to enforce different court rulings when it came to segregation, these things.
		We've deployed troops into American cities so many times over.
		Pat Buchanan gave his speech about the culture war speech about the National Guard taking back LA block by block.
		So, the idea that this is wildly unprecedented is just completely incorrect.
		The only answer is ultimately, does the Republican Party have the will to get this done?
		Would Trump be able to take those slings and arrows?
		I think overall, when we look at what happened in D.C., the population was happy to be safer.
		I think the same would probably be true of New York.
		But the problem is that these people have their safety tied up with all the other voting that they do.
		They want the benefits.
		They have all these perceived carve-outs that they think they're going to get by rejecting Republicans.
		And so they vote in people who are going to destroy their law and order to get all that other stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Earlier today, we were on the Culture War podcast debating Brian Shapiro, largely me debating him, over these issues.
		And one point that I made, because I think Austin was saying that we should have more, I don't think he said balkanization, but people going into areas where they prefer the laws.
		And I said, that's going to lead to civil war.
		Brian agreed.
		My point was: you have the United States as a largely mono-culture 30 years ago, and the Democrats and Republicans almost completely agreed on everything.
		They disagreed on the wedge issues.
		And so when you look at the Pew charts, you can see it's like two bell curves and they largely overlap.
		What ends up happening is that because of Democrat and Republican entrenchment in these areas where it's like R plus 30 or D plus 30, and it's actually, I would say it's more a Democrat phenomenon because Republicans don't control cities.
		They don't control large urban centers.
		This means conservative-minded individuals are going to leave these cities as the policies tend towards further to the left, which the conservatives don't like.
		It's exponentially increasing.
		So what happens now is in New York, 500,000 people left in 2020, largely conservative-minded people who live in New York.
		That makes it substantially easier for the left to win in New York.
		There's no opposition anymore.
		No politician needs to pander to those conservative people.
		What ends up happening?
		The United States as a whole largely agreed.
		There were red states and blue states, swing states, and wedge issues.
		But now each state is hyperpolarized.
		So what happens is where Oregon, you used to have to argue to the conservatives and find the middle ground, with all conservatives leaving, Oregon is now liberal to far left, and the government's going to end up in the staunch leftist position.
		Conservative states are now going to be moderate conservative to far right and find the staunch conservative position, meaning that each individual state will increasingly become further and further left or right.
		I actually don't think it's entirely true of the right because the right is much more morally founded.
		And I think it's because of religious tradition.
		But the left is going to go further and further left because they're power and cult-based.
		You're eventually going to come to a point where the red states will vote for a president like we are now.
		The president's going to say no more, no more illegal immigration.
		And the blue states will have gone so far left that every person there and everyone in their government is going to say no to this law.
		I think that maybe what's happening now.
		And I feel like it's an inevitable reality where the factions will be born.
		You will have civil war.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		So we're actually going through a predictable cycle that we've been through before historically.
		We think of the United States as having this monoculture, but it really didn't for most of its history.
		That's why federalism worked so well, right?
		We had these radically different people in these different states.
		They recognized themselves as Americans.
		They were distinct from other peoples, but the states were very important.
		That's why, for instance, somebody like Robert E. Lee, who was one of the most loyal Americans in the world, who was considered to be the top commander, was going to be given control of the Union Army.
		That's why he went with Virginia, not because he was disloyal to the United States, but he felt his loyalty to his home state more than he felt loyalty to the larger country.
		And then we see Lincoln come through.
		You have the Civil War.
		We have to kind of reunite again.
		And so you have reconstruction to try to force cultural homogeny back onto the South.
		Well, that goes for a while.
		We start to have our differences again.
		That builds up until World War II.
		And then after World War II, we have this grand unifying push under FDR.
		Communication, culture, education, they all get standardized.
		We get forced back into a monoculture, especially with the rise of radio and television, where now everyone can watch the same things and hear the same things and share the same experiences.
		But now we're coming back apart again.
		And so I don't think this is like some strange thing that we're experiencing, but it's just a cycle that we go through over and over again.
		And you're either going to have that strong unifying presidency that kind of brings the culture back together, or things are going to keep breaking apart more and more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does this, I mean, the way you describe it with the states having identities, it sounds kind of like that is that could prevent civil war.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, it can't.
		I mean, well, it really depends on how much the central government demands that everyone conform to the same way of life, right?
		The more that the central government demands that we have one unified culture, one unified understanding, the more likely that you're going to have states that have a strong individual identity push back.
		But if you allow a good degree of autonomy, again, how we did under federalism, then you're probably less likely to have a civil war in that scenario.
		The problem is that the temptation more and more, especially as we've invested more and more power in our centralized government, is to continue to force that monoculture onto different states.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You think there's going to be a civil war?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I think that we are playing with fire.
		I don't know that we're going to get a civil war.
		We've had, again, we've had situations where we deployed troops to the South and we didn't get a Civil War out of it.
		But at the same time, I think we are further in some ways apart than we are back than we were, say, in the 1950s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've said this before that it really depends on what comes next.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But should this become factionalized war, history will argue that the Civil War started sometime well before now.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Hill published an op-ed saying that the assassination of Charlie Kirk might be our Fort Sumter moment.
		And so the difference with the 1861 versus the Civil Rights era versus now, there were catalysts.
		1861, we had Bleeding Kansas, John Brown's raid, and then you had Fort Sumter.
		The civil rights era didn't have any shot heard around the world battle moment or anything egregious.
		We actually have several points in the past year or so.
		The assassination attempt on Donald Trump, that it may have started then.
		I actually think the assassination of Charlie Kirk will likely be considered the Fort Sumter moment.
		And it's possible in 100 years, they say the Second American Civil War started with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		Much like we hear the story of France Ferdinand, most people don't really know the full details of what happened.
		The story is actually pretty crazy.
		It was the assassins couldn't, they lost him.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a comedy of errors.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		They end up finding him at like they walk out of a cafe shop after thinking the entire thing has failed and he's right outside and that's the only reason they actually are successful.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then they start a world war.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		My question is, what could possibly, the trend I think is obvious.
		We always say there is no off-ramp.
		The trend is political violence is becoming more common, more accepted.
		People are becoming unhinged.
		I don't see that slowing down.
		We're in a spiral.
		So what could what kind of event or what would have to happen to prevent us from continuing down this path?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why I don't think it's possible.
		So we were hoping with a popular victory of Donald Trump, I was like, that's going to send the message that we are the moral majority and we've won.
		Instead, the response is, I don't care for the minority, we're going to kill you.
		And so you end up with the people voted for Trump for the Republicans.
		The Republicans have everything.
		They've got the majority in the House and the Senate.
		They've got it in the Supreme Court.
		They've got the executive branch.
		And now ICE is enforcing laws that have been on the books for decades.
		What are the Democrats doing?
		Franklin.
		Fighting, war, terror.
		Democrats are obstructing in the administrative level, having their police target federal law enforcement.
		Their judges are trying to bar Donald Trump from enacting his authority to the Constitution.
		And then you have the ground-level leftists who are engaging in acts of terrorism and trying to murder cops or ram them with vehicles.
		There have been four rammings already and six instances where vehicles have been used as weapons.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I think there's more than that.
		There's a lot of stories of agents getting boxed in, but there's no actual assault or violence.
		So it doesn't get reported.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Right.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		So I think it's happening way more, especially in Chicago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When L.A. County declared a state of emergency over federal law enforcement, I was like, guys, this is the sign.
		A popular vote winner with every branch of government said, we're going to enforce the law that have been in the books for decades.
		And in California, they said it's an emergency.
		They're telling you they're at war with you.
		Now, that doesn't mean there's going to be a shootout, but based on that video we saw from earlier in the morning, Lord help us.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have this irony poisoning, right?
		Again, the fact that this is a Marvel movie for everybody, this is fake for everybody.
		And that allows you to creep way closer to the line than you would if you actually recognize the type of violence that you're entering into.
		And this really sets us up for a scenario where we could have just zombie walked into the civil war without even recognizing it because you have so many people who are acting as if none of this is serious and none of it can be taken seriously.
		And that's part of, of course, the left's tactic.
		Again, putting people in these clown suits, putting them in these blow-up suits, making sure that you throw all this funny stuff out there.
		You put that out front as if it's a non-threatening.
		It's not going to be a big issue.
		And then you don't realize that you've already crossed several red lines in the whole process.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		That's why, as I mentioned, I was debating our friend Grok, and it kept making these arguments as to why Trump can't use federal authority in these states, despite the fact precedent already shows us that Lincoln did.
		The argument is Lincoln had no authority under the Constitution to suspend habeas corpus.
		Only Congress can do it, but he did anyway.
		And then Congress retroactively approved it, creating the precedent that a president can suspend habeas corpus and then seek approval after the fact, which is nuts.
		Based on the timeline, if we look at the Charlie Kirk assassination as a Fort Sumter moment, we are, it's only been a month.
		And the Battle of Bull Run was, I think, three months after Sumter.
		Theoretically, we could be zombie walking towards the first.
		I've described it as just an example, not like something that's going to happen, but the first battle of Chicago.
		Because Chicago seems to be where the heat of everything is really taking place.
		If the gangs get into a shootout with federal law enforcement and leftist extremists, not caring why, decide to join and help them for some reason, we will have a moment that we may not actually describe as the first battle of Chicago, but historically they will.
		We'll just say a shootout erupted in Chicago.
		A couple of years after the fact, we might say, here's what they're calling it.
		Just like they didn't say civil war for two years after Fort Sumter.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at COVID.
		Look how long it took to be like, hey, this is like a pandemic now.
		Like, this is a global, like, no one wanted to believe it at first.
		We're like, ah, you know, what's going on in China?
		They're building those emergency hospitals.
		It's not going to happen here.
		And then it's like two weeks.
		And we're like, oh, so no, that stuff about in China, all that news, that was like the warning.
		Like, you know.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is why it was so important.
		And I kept pushing like right after Charlie was shot.
		Like, we have to take drastic action now, like right away.
		Because the thing that always allows things to escalate is not too much action, too much authority.
		It's a lack thereof.
		And whenever you hesitate, you're encouraging this.
		So by stepping in and taking small actions, you're actually making things worse.
		It's easier to do more than it is to do less incrementally.
		That's counterintuitive, but it's absolutely the case, especially when you have control of the executive.
		You need to take bold action, sweeping action, put this down immediately and cut it off right at the source rather than sitting around and playing footsie with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're doing.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've been saying.
		Like Trump needs to send in the troops now and put these jurisdictions under a federal management and declare an insurrection and an emergency.
		And Trump can come out.
		And, you know, I don't know, but he's playing FTSE.
		And maybe they're waiting for winter.
		I'm being optimistic when I say that.
		Really, I don't know.
		One of the arguments is that there won't be riots if it gets cold out.
		And so the Fed is waiting a few months for the temperature to drop so that in places like Chicago, particularly in Portland a little bit, but Chicago more so, when they take action, the left will not react.
		New York and Chicago are principal targets.
		LA is always going to be nice out.
		So that's hard to deal with.
		But now is the time to do it.
		And I think you're right.
		If the federal government allows this insurrection and this sedition, it will embolden and keep growing.
		If Trump moves in now and people are like, okay, okay, okay, we're going to stop.
		The fact that Trump is taking it slow is allowing the left to organize and develop, once again, parallel economics.
		And that's when they finally say, we can fight you.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, that's why this entire crackdown that we've been pushing for has never really been about punishment.
		I mean, to a certain degree for some people, I suppose, is a form of vengeance.
		But the primary objective, like you're saying, is incapacitation.
		We're trying to incapacitate the enemy.
		Same thing like when a child is bashing his toy truck on a glass table, you know, when you take him away and take his toy away, you're not punishing him.
		You're just trying to get him to not break the table.
		And that's, that is, you know, the mandate for the federal government in this sense.
		This is like, hey, they're about to break this table.
		Pull them away.
		Enough.
		You got to incapacitate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the story from Newsweek.
		Steve Bannon says, quote, there's a plan for Trump 2028.
		What is that plan?
		Trump Jr. 2028?
		Because I'm not buying it, but this is what Bennon is saying.
		Quote, he's going to get a third term.
		So Trump is going to be president in 2028, and people just ought to get accommodated with that.
		At the appropriate time, we'll lay out what the plan is, but there's a plan.
		We had longer odds in 16 and longer odds in 24 than we've gotten 28.
		They say that Trump is not eligible for another term under the 22nd Amendment of the United States Constitution.
		Presidents are limited to two elected terms.
		Now you see the mistake they just made.
		And, you know, we can try.
		Let me pull up the 22nd Amendment.
		Try and guess what the play may be.
		But we got it right here, and I'll throw it in.
		Section 1, 22nd Amendment.
		No person shall be elected to the office of president more than twice.
		And no person who has held the office of president or acted as president for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected president shall be elected to the office of the president more than once.
		Can anybody in the room answer for me what the key word is that they will try to utilize to get Trump a third term?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I believe it may be elected.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If Trump is placed by a judicial appointment into the office of the presidency due to some unforeseen circumstance, it will not be in violation of the 22nd Amendment.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that's the delay for all this action we were just talking about in the last segment is, hey, this is the year one of Trump's second term.
		So if there's plays like that in the background, they may need to wait for all this action.
		I mean, create a faux crisis and then say, hey, Trump's, he's back again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But do we really think, I don't know if that's Bannon's play.
		What do you think?
		The play is going to be appointment?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I would really doubt that they would simply allow the situation to escalate just to set something like this up, set up that emergency.
		I mean, ultimately, I mean, if it's an amendment, you'd just as likely be able to repeal it as anything else.
		You repealed prohibition.
		You could repeal this too, ultimately.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the words are relatively meaningless.
		It's an exercise of power.
		So the fact is, if Trump wants to be president, we understand the spirit is that he can't be, but it does say elected.
		So it sounds like if the elected route is the route they go, there's an emergency.
		Trump declares an emergency under National Security Presidential Directive 51.
		Are you familiar?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Created by Bush, the president has the authority under executive orders to overwrite the U.S. government with an enduring constitutional government, it's called a single branch that controls everything and appoints a national continuity coordinator.
		The play may be an emergency.
		Here's the deal, man.
		There's a bunch of different plays that could happen.
		Trump invokes the Insurrection Act, says we are in an active civil war.
		And for that reason, Trump doesn't get elected at all.
		He stays president because there's no election in a time of war.
		Now, even the U.S., the Union had an election during the Civil War.
		But there's a bunch of plays Trump could make in terms of emergencies that avoid elected presidents.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm wondering if Bannon actually consulted the Trump administration on this.
		Because I mean, like, there's, I don't know if there's really an appetite because, you know, J.D. Vance is, you know, a shoe-in at this point, quite frankly, if things hold.
		And he would probably carry over most of the staffing, if not the overwhelming majority of the staffing.
		So, like, I mean, obviously, Trump would have to make the final decision here, but at least within the Trump administration, I assume they're like the advance term would just sort of be a continuation of Trump's policy.
		So, why would this even be necessary?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, have you guys seen the meme, you can just do things?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is stopping me from taking this wolf box?
		Let me kind of detach this.
		There we go.
		This is a fan.
		What's to stop me from just chucking it as hard as I can at Tate?
unidentified		Nothing, really.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Nothing really cameras.
unidentified		Laws.
		Laws.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Social decorum.
		Like, the reality is within the realm of physics, I could do it.
		But we know that man has written things down saying, do not do this.
		So there is a presumption that should I do something like that, well, Tate would probably tackle me and then maybe we get into a fight or get, I don't know.
		I actually don't know what he would do if I whipped something at him.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Probably just take it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I could just try.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The point is, there are reasons why we don't do these things because one, I mean, we have empathy.
		We care about each other.
		We don't want to hurt each other.
		Some people don't.
		But we also fear the laws of man.
		But the reality is those laws won't actually stop a person from doing it.
		So we wrote down in the Constitution Trump can't be president.
		The question is, is someone willing to exercise the power to just do what they want?
		And Bannon is saying, yes, we have.
		We don't care what's written down.
		If we choose, it doesn't apply to us.
		It doesn't.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll now invoke he who shall not be named.
		Carl Schmidt, of course, talked.
		I know, I know, I know.
		We're all woke here now.
		But he talked about the, you know, the sovereign is he who decides on the exception.
		His entire point in saying that is that any given constitution is only an outline for how the system should be going.
		It can never define every instance that the system will run into.
		And by definition, anything the Constitution didn't plan for has to be an exception to that system.
		And when you hit those exceptions, the only question is who's in charge?
		Who's sovereign?
		And the sovereign is he who can decide this is an exception.
		Lincoln says it's an exception.
		We got to take back the South.
		And so the Constitution doesn't matter anymore.
		Habas corpus doesn't matter anymore.
		I can disrupt elections.
		I can throw journalists in jail because guess what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Court justices.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		It turns out that he was sovereign and he had the power to decide on the exception.
		And this is important to understand what a constitution ultimately is.
		Constitutions don't stop anything ever.
		It's words written on paper.
		A constitution is what the people collectively believe.
		And so if the people collectively believe that Trump can't have a third term, then he won't have a third term.
		But if the people no longer care, if they've lost their faith in those kind of things, if that tradition no longer holds, then the words on paper don't stop anything.
		And we've seen the left, you know, really just base their entire movement on this idea that they can just say, I don't care what the constitutionality says, as long as the people aren't going to enforce it, it doesn't matter anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think would happen if it's the year 2020?
		It's 2026.
		It is three days before the election.
		And 26 polling stations in swing districts are bombed by antifa aligned individuals, like people with anti-phylages are seen running from the scene.
		They blow them all up.
		What do you think would happen?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, again, sadly, I don't think this is exactly outside of the realm of possibility.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		And in that case, yeah, there's zero doubt that Trump would have to step in and use military force to return order.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		There's simply no people would demand it.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Trump decides.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now let's try this.
		And they should, by the way, what would happen if in 2028, Donald Trump in office, not running for office, J.D. Vance is running, and Trump is praising him and saying, hey, you know, he's fantastic.
		And the polls are doing really well.
		And then early voting begins in these areas.
		There's questions about whether or not these places like maybe Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, they're leaning red.
		And then we get several dozen bombings at polling stations in areas that are Republican-leaning in these states where you need those votes.
		They're decimated.
		The ballots are destroyed.
		Maybe 10,000 in each location, 1,000 in each location.
		Anti-fub culprits are caught on camera.
		One guy gets arrested.
		He's a known far leftist.
		What happens then?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like they're trying to insurrect.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like Trump would say, my fellow Americans, in swing states, largely which will determine which candidate is going to win, Republican voting districts were just bombed.
		Several injured, several killed.
		We have arrested several people.
		We have provided evidence.
		It was an attack by left extremists to stop the Republicans from being able to win.
		We can't, this election is now void.
		How can you then carry on the election knowing that key areas of swing states were bombed?
		There's a million and one ways it could go down.
		But it's like you said, he who is sovereign is he who, you know, was it decides on the exception.
		Exactly.
		Trump says, how would it be fair to conclude this election knowing that far left radicals destroyed the votes of countless numbers of Republicans in states where they wanted their voice heard?
		If their voice is not heard, then the president is not chosen.
		He can then say, I firmly believe even with this attack, J.D. Vance would be the winner.
		But because of those attacks, we won't know.
		Therefore, we will hold a new election and we will need another six months to prepare.
		This election will take place in August of next year, something like that.
		I think it's far-fetched to be honest.
		I'm saying this because there are a million and one ways Trump may be president in 2028.
		We can hypothesize.
		And I agree with you when you said it's not out of the realm of possibility that leftists will bomb polling stations or something that affect or even trucks carrying ballots.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with the phrase meme magic?
		We all know that.
		Of course.
		So we say that as a joke, but actually it's very real, right?
		Like these things kind of will themselves into existence.
		So Trump is sitting there and the left is saying, no kings, right?
		No king.
		We have to have this no king protest.
		And then all of Trump's supporters say, well, you know what?
		Maybe he is a king.
		Maybe that is not, right?
		We started putting out videos of him with a king.
		And it's all jokes and it's all fun until suddenly the left starts treating him like, oh, well, no, we have to fight him like he's a king.
		And then the right says, oh, we have to defend him like he's a king.
		And actually, if he's a king, then he has the powers of it.
		And before you recognize this, like that hyperstition has taken place, right?
		Retroactively, you have moved yourself into a frame where whether it's true or not, whether anyone even wanted Trump as king or not, every site has acted as if he is king.
		And therefore, he is, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is incorrect.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's God emperor.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		I'm going to say, I'm going to start walking around with like a no-Caesar sign, see if we can start a movement.
		That'd be kind of nice.
		Oh, I would sure hate if Barron became the American Caesar.
		That would suck.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Six super Tyrannus just walking around.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen the DHS Aura Farm edits they've been putting out of ICE and DHS agents just cracking down on the far left protests?
		And it's crazy because they got music and there's the flashing lights.
		It's an awesome edit.
		But people are cheering for this.
		It's not just like, hey, yeah, cool.
		They're upholding the law.
		They're like, yes, more of this, you know?
		And so people are calling for it.
		That's what's so tragic to me about what the left has done in general is now you've got people on the right.
		They're just like, yeah, I don't care anymore.
		I just want to, I want my family to stay safe.
		I don't want to die.
		So yeah, let's have troops in every major city.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, this energy is all across the West.
		Because, I mean, fundamentally, what's driven Trump to this point is that he's tapping into the frustrations of immigration, like broadly speaking.
		And this has been all across the West.
		We've been like covering the Ireland riots and that sort of thing.
		And Ireland is a great example of what happens.
		We don't even have a right-wing party to cipher that energy off of.
		Or in the United States, we have the Trump administration that is fulfilling the mandate.
		But yeah, you still got to give them some red meat.
		You got to give them the edits.
		You know, you got to give them this, that, and the other.
		But the left should really understand that Trump is what's keeping a lid on this.
		Like, Ireland is what things could escalate into if it weren't for Trump sort of carrying out that mandate.
		And then like on the flip side, I could very well see them, you know, bombing ballot boxes, these sorts of things, because the reason we're seeing this leftist violence in the first place is because Trump is so effective.
		He has been winning, and they feel demoralized.
		They feel backed into a corner.
		And that's why they're lashing out because they feel like that the right, A, has a monopoly on power at this stage, which in many ways we do.
		But B, they just feel backed into a corner.
		They feel like their avenues to power are completely cut off.
		And so that's why they feel like they need to lash out.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It's not just the terror attacks and the violence that we're seeing in the cities.
		Like, that's definitely could be a cause for Trump 2028.
		But so, as we've been recording, the news broke that Hakeem Jeffries has endorsed Zoran Mamdani.
		So, you basically have the Democrats as a whole now saying, yeah, this communist thing, we're on board with it.
		So, Trump could just be like, hey, there is no Democrat Party anymore.
		It's communism.
		Their votes do not count.
		Like, we're not playing this.
		We fought communism.
		We're not going there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he would.
		I don't think he would do that.
		Stephen Miller's too smart.
		I think if Trump wants to go this route, false flag attack.
		I'm not, you know, it's funny because people have asked me, like, you really think Trump would do a false flag?
		I'm like, I don't know, maybe not Trump, but certainly someone around him.
		Come on, we're talking about winning a war.
		And they tried to put this man in prison.
		They arrested his lawyers.
		Nothing's off the table.
		Winning is winning.
		And if you are, to be fair, I'll put it like this.
		Conservatives have continually showed themselves to be the samurai, the people who have tried to fight with honor.
		So that's why I really don't think we'll see a Trump administration false flag attack, but I also wouldn't put it past anybody to do whatever it took to win.
		If the left doesn't engage in these acts of violence or terror and Trump really does want to be president for a third term, how hard would it be?
		Right now, they put out another bounty on the pipe bombers from J6.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		See the news?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fairly obvious the pipe bombers were Democrat-aligned individuals trying to malign Trump.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Do you see the new videos they released?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we should actually pull that one up.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's crazy.
		A lot of people are.
		Go ahead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's pull the story from Zero Hedge.
		FBI released.
		Actually, let me zoom out so we can see the actual story.
		FBI releases new surveillance video of January 6th pipe bomb suspect.
		The FBI on October 22nd released new surveillance footage showing footage that says it shows a person placing pipe bombs the night before January 6th.
		The video show, actually, is this the video right here?
unidentified		On January 5th, 2021, between 7:30 and 8:30 p.m., an unidentified individual placed pipe bombs near the offices of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee in Washington, D.C. The FBI and our partners are renewing our call for tips from the public to help us identify the suspect.
		A reward of up to $500,000 is available for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the individual responsible for this attempted attack.
		If you have any information, please call the FBI at 1-800-BALL FBI.
		You can also submit tips online at tips.fbi.gov.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why it's turf shoes.
unidentified		Which are black and gray with the yellow Nike logo.
		Fewer than 25,000 of these shoes were sold between August 2018 and January 2021.
		The first time the suspect is seen is at approximately 7.34 p.m. at the intersection of 1st Street and North Carolina Avenue, Southeast.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I don't want to play the full thing, but the shoe thing.
		Does anybody here think the person was not a Fed?
		No hands?
		Maybe not Fed, but I firmly believe this was some kind of agent operative.
		This was not some random leftist terrorist or individual.
		Like this was coordinated intentionally, specifically pertaining to the January 6th riots.
		Guys, what is the probability that J6 was fomented intentionally to try and destroy Donald Trump?
		I think it's very likely.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It could have been a foreign power.
		I mean, that's why, like, because I see that stat where there's only 25,000 pairs of these shoes made.
		That's not a lot for America.
		That's not a lot of shoes.
		Now you narrow it down to who might have been in D.C. near J6, and there's all these other parameters.
		You can narrow that number down.
		So there's probably less than 50 people that they think could be the guy.
		But the fact that they haven't gotten them five years later, they have no leads whatsoever.
		Now they're having to release all this additional footage because they're lost.
		Maybe it was a foreign actor who's fled the country the day after.
		I mean, a lot of people always assume it's domestic that causes the internal strife in America.
		But why not someone from Iran, Qatar, Israel, et cetera?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, that or, I mean, again, I don't want to completely, completely, you know, lose sight of this.
		This very well could have been a leftist as seeking to foment some sort of, you know, civil civil strife so they can impose their will.
		I mean, we did see in J6, there was a lot of speculation that there were like Antifa-aligned actors in the crowd that were trying to agitate, trying to rile people up.
		Like that is in their playbook to sort of bring forth civil strife so then they can do their thing so they can operate with more impunity.
		But I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean, who knows?
		I mean, the fact that they're having to throw the shoe size out shows that, you know, it's a bit grim.
		Any leads here.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people online are saying, I mean, I don't, I didn't get this from the video, but the additional security camera footage, we say the person walking, their gait would imply it's a woman.
		I don't get that sense.
		The shoe thing, definitely, that looks like a male shoe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's play some of this video.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will watch this and do a gate analysis.
unidentified		And then south on South Capitol Street.
unidentified		This footage of the suspect on South Capitol Street shows the person setting down their backpack, which is believed to contain one of the bombs at this time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to say woman.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going to tell you why it's the bending over.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Watch the bending over.
unidentified		This footage of the suspect on South Capitol Street shows the person setting down their backpack, which is believed to contain one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because women have lower centers of gravity, it's much easier for them to control their legs as they're bending their torso up and down.
		Men would not.
		That likely is not masculine.
		I don't know for sure, but it's very effeminate movements.
		And seriously, watch the videos of women.
		They have a man and a woman stand against a wall, and they'll tell the woman to bend over and pick something up and the man to do it.
		Men can't because of their higher center of gravity.
		So when you notice, the legs stay perfectly straight and don't move as the torso moves up and down, very indicative of a woman.
unidentified		Of the bombs at this time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hard to know for sure, though.
unidentified		He appears to put on a pair of glasses and scan the area, standing on tiptoes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trans man?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Regardless, we should be looking for cars with curb rash.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think that'll help us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That proved it.
unidentified		Before picking up the backpack, turning around, and heading back the way they came to South Capitol Street.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Very FBI.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		True crime.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		FBI step their game up.
unidentified		After reaching the corner of D Street, the suspect turns around again, and this time walks south all the way down South Capitol Street to a bench outside the Democratic National Committee headquarters building.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hard to tell from this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Low framerate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder who picked the music.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This one sounds good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Here we see the suspect sit on the bench for a few minutes.
unidentified		They do not place the bomb at this time.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Man spreading.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man spreading?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And men like to sit on benches and think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That is true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That is indicative of a man.
unidentified		The suspect then walks east on Ivy Street.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So we know it's either a man or a woman.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to say they put the bag down really delicately, but I guess there's a bomb in it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it was a fake bomb that was very similar to the training bombs they use.
unidentified		That's my understanding.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're just a very zesty man, I think.
unidentified		Turns north on New Jersey Avenue and then pauses near the corner of D Street before retracing their steps back to the DNC bench where the first bomb is placed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just want to really stress, though, because guys don't bend down like that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, that's 100%.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		And this looks does look a little bit more feminine.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		It's tough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a woman.
		The bending over for the bag is just guys don't do that.
		Guys typically don't have the flexibility to do that.
		I'm not kidding.
		Like how many guys can stretch forward and touch their toes.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		If you're saying, though, if this is a Fed or some kind of, you know, deep state individual, wouldn't they, the assumption they're in shape, they're very physically fit?
		You don't think so?
		Someone that would be sent for this kind of operation?
		You're not going to send a fat guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's just try this.
		Literally, we're all dudes.
		Stand up and bend over perfectly, standing straight up without your legs moving to reach down and grab something off the ground.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I'll do it.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		The audience is going to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Get the wide.
		This proves everything.
		Now you're bending your knees.
		I'm just picking it up to the place.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't bend your knees.
		Reach down without bending your knees.
		Oh, my hamstrings.
		So the point is this.
		You could do it, but you wouldn't because it's not comfortable.
		You'd bend your knees.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I'd probably go.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'd probably just quit.
		But more importantly, this individual went up and down.
		Went down, up, and then down more without the legs moving, and they were together.
		Very feminine.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Really sticking their dairy-era out as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Oh, my hamstrings.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I guess this lesbian then.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		Here we see the suspect placed.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Is anybody getting a boy haircut recently?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Basketball shoes, though.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Basketball.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's very less.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is very low.
		I'm placed.
		There you go.
		This is wild.
		They did a lot of work on it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		WMBA paraphernalia I found nearby.
unidentified		From there, the person walks north on South Capitol Street.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Swing in the bag.
unidentified		Really?
unidentified		Swing in the bag.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Really having fun.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Be curious how fast this person is actually walking.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Looks like they're hustling.
unidentified		East on D Street.
unidentified		South on New Jersey Avenue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember when the wife...
		Okay, so Ilhan Omar is dating this guy who's married.
		And then some air train guy just randomly kills someone who looks just like his wife in the same neighborhood where his wife lives.
		And everyone was like, they were like, maybe the Air Train guy was supposed to kill his wife, but killed the wrong person instead.
unidentified		Ooh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was a red-haired woman walking a dog, got murdered randomly for no reason.
		And then you find out that this dude that Illinois with is married to the same red-headed woman in the neighborhood who walked a dog.
		And it's like, did somebody tell that Air Train guy to kill her and then he killed the wrong one?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know.
unidentified		Northeast on North Carolina Avenue.
		When we lose video coverage of the suspect at approximately 8 p.m.
		Eight minutes later, at about 8.08 p.m., we pick the suspect back up on camera heading north on 2nd Street.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Weird.
unidentified		The suspect walks west on C Street, enters an alley that leads to Rumsey Court, and then walks west on Rumsey Court.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a woman.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Look how the feet are walking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying it's a woman.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like a strut, kind of.
unidentified		This footage shows the suspect passed between the RNC and the Capitol Hill Club, holding the backpack out of the way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe trans man.
		I'm not kidding.
		Maybe trans man.
unidentified		The person continues between the RNC and the Capitol Hill Club.
		Then continues north on 1st Street.
		East on C Street.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The hell?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Case in the joint.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Back into the alley.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Making sure no one's around.
unidentified		Back onto Rumsey Court.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He seems really familiar with the RNC, so he might be gay.
unidentified		He?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Disgruntled staffer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		They place the second pipe bomb at approximately 8.16 p.m.
		The suspect then turns back onto Rumsey Court, walking east until the person is last seen on camera at approximately 8.18 p.m., wearing the backpack on their shoulders.
		The bomb is believed to have been placed shortly before this video, based on how the suspect is carrying the backpack.
		We still believe there is someone out there who has information they may not have realized was significant until now.
		We are asking you to come forward to share that information with the FBI.
		Please call the FBI.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		So could you rewind real quick to the graphic when it shows when he placed the first bomb at the DNC?
		I'm curious to the time stamp on there compared to when he placed the RNC bomb.
		And then I want to see that distance, how much time it took for him to cover that distance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it was like, what, 20-something minutes?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It was all within like a half hour or something like that.
unidentified		Because it was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't bounce around on X videos like that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, but they have it written down.
		7.34 and 8.15 is what's happening.
		Device at the DNC was 754.
		RNC was 8.16.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's really not that late at night.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's just the evening.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Right.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It was what?
		The RNC and DNC is about six blocks from each other.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, 20 minutes-ish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fake bombs that look very similar to the bombs they use in training exercises.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Were they fake?
		Yes.
		I thought they were real.
		They just didn't go off.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I thought they were fake, weren't they?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't think the FBI said.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe, yeah, maybe they not have said either way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just say pipe bombs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, no, viable explosive devices.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Wow, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the devices were diffused.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I was wrong.
unidentified		Wow.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		And if this was an operation of a deep state or CIA of some sort, this is the perfect suspect.
		You can't see their face.
		They're fully clothed, gloved, masked, and we don't know if it's a man or woman.
		We're debating it.
unidentified		Right.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is the perfect subject for this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where were you at, Tate?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		On 2021 at 7.54 p.m.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You need to talk to a lawyer.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It's like you're bar mitzvah, right?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		There was a wall involved.
		I was kissing it.
		You know, it was the whole thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's very obviously this is this is maybe it's not Fed, but it's some kind of operation.
unidentified		Yeah.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I still like, I think people in America are so quick to just say, assume this is a leftist or false flag, just domestic, whatever angle you choose.
		But I like, dude, at the height of when this was going on, and you realized Trump was contesting the election, the Russia claims weren't debunked.
		People still thought he's a Russian asset.
		Who knows if it, like, I lean towards foreign asset, foreign government of some sort.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, in the lead up to January 6th, it was still like a very well-known quantity.
		There was a lot of Democrat politicians, leftist media were complaining about the march in general.
		They were saying, oh, this is like ridiculous.
		This is over the top.
		So I think among the leftist activist base, they were aware that, you know, there was going to be a ton of Patriots in DC on one day.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Because why would you target both?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was going to say.
		The fact that both of these locations were targeted is it's either there to completely throw you off.
		You would need like one bomb to be real and one to be fake, or it's very clear that ultimately this is meant to sow confusion, right?
		Like if you had a specific political target, you wouldn't distribute the bombs equally across both parties.
		That wouldn't make any sense.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I feel like a lot of the news, I mean, this is an old story.
		We're kind of talking about it for the first time in a while.
		But when the story was big, it was all kind of attributed to, see, look how violent J6 was.
		There was pipe bombs and a riot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How did AOC know?
		How did AOC know in advance that Trump supporters would storm the building?
		You know the story, right?
		No, I don't.
		A few, this is like a month after January 6th, AOC told the story.
		I think it was a month.
		It might have been a couple weeks.
		Told the story where she said she was in her office and she was banging on her door and she went and hid in the bathroom thinking the rioters have found me.
		And the guy went, Where is she?
unidentified		Where is she?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And she thought she was going to die.
		And then it turns out it was actually the officer evacuating people because of the pipe bombs.
		At that point in time in her story, no one had breached the Capitol grounds even.
		When she was telling that story about the time when they bought launch, what time it was when this happened, you can track when the evacuations happened and when the actual storming of the Capitol happened.
		It was an hour later.
		What made her think rioters would have gotten into the Capitol complex and gone to the tunnels to her office?
		It's possible she's just making a fake story up.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I lean towards that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to give her the benefit of the doubt.
		No, she said they were going to kill me.
		Okay.
		How'd you know they were going to get in the building?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I think they all needed to build up that terror rate.
		Like that's the whole point.
		And I think that's why a lot of people are very suspicious about the number of FBI agents in the crowd during this whole thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What it's up to 300?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Plus, not even to mention the number of informants on top of that.
		Like you have so many people there.
		And I'm sure that there were people who wanted to enter the Capitol at some level.
		There were people who were getting out of hand at some level.
		But if you're a highly corrupt FBI that's obviously been pushing Joe Biden's agenda on the right the entire time, if you've been identifying the right as the most dangerous terror threat, the most dangerous domestic terror threat, if you've been fed all this stuff, it's probably not too hard for the agents involved to be like, well, maybe if we encourage a few people to go in, they want to do it anyway, right?
		We're just moving it along.
		It's just a little bit of entrapment.
		It's not a problem.
		And then the whole thing kind of spirals.
		So I think it's one of those scenarios where everything is already lit and all they had to do was drop the match into the tender.
		And they were like, yeah, I think we're okay.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I'm also curious to what comes out of this.
		Cash just said, hey, we're on the verge of unmasking the structure behind Antifa.
		And I think it was Andy No.
		I could get that wrong.
		But someone has been doing work exposing people at J6 dressed up as MAGA and their known Antifa members.
unidentified		Right.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		So I think it's Andy No.
		that's been doing this work.
		So now I'm curious to what these FBI is going to find and if there's any connection between these NGOs, Antifa, and what happened in the lead up to J6.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are videos of people like getting dressed by a bunch of trees and people like, what are you guys doing?
		And it looks like it looks like feds.
		Not to mention, there are several people who are seen coming out of violence who are never tracked down by insurrection hunters or the police.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		You know, one of the things that people don't really put together, they complained about Trump, you know, getting this giant budget for ICE and building this huge force.
		He's getting a military-style budget.
		And a lot of people complain, oh, we don't need that.
		You know, we had Rand Paul and Thomas Massey and these guys saying, don't do it.
		They don't think about the fact that if the FBI is truly compromised, like if it's really truly compromised beyond any hope, what would you do?
		Right.
		Would you build up your own force, your own domestic law enforcement force from the bottom up with military-style budget where you get to hire the vast majority of the people and ensure that they're loyal to you?
		Like people just don't do that math, but we know the FBI has been desperately corrupt for an extremely long time.
		It's probably not going to investigate itself and figure it all out.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it takes, it takes, and I understand the frustration from people, obviously, especially because within the conservative movement, we've been antagonized by the intelligence sphere for so long.
		But yeah, the unfortunate thing is it does take quite a bit of time to reorient the FBI away from prosecuting and persecuting right-wingers.
		Like that's been their specialty for the last few years.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		That's where everyone in the organization has been hired for that purpose, right?
		Even Christopher Wray, who is appointed by Trump, goes out and says right-wing domestic terror, the most dangerous thing in the United States, right?
		Like that has been the governing doctrine of that organization for decades.
		It doesn't just go away because Cash Patel shows up and fires a few guys.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you don't just put up a LinkedIn listing for FBI agent, FBI official.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like it takes a while to churn the staff.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		But it turns out you can do that when you're scaling ISO.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		And it's very based.
		Well, even ISAC has some pretty high standards.
		Like, I mean, but that obviously you're building it up.
		So that's different than churning, you know, a force.
		So, yeah, and that this is happening all across the administration.
		There's a lot of frustration, a lot of like, what's taking so long, this, that, and the other.
		And yeah, it's really important to put in perspective, A, you know, what a typical Republican administration looked like.
		I think we forget where we were before this.
		But then B, how long it takes to reorient these, you know, how long it takes to reorient these agencies.
		I mean, it takes a very, very long time because there's so much entrenched staff.
		There's so much deep state.
		Thankfully, this government shutdown has obviously given the Trump admin some breathing room now where they can start, you know, telling people like, yeah, he'd need to come back to work, you know, that sort of thing.
		But yeah, like you're saying, I mean, this thing, these things take time.
		And it's unfortunate because like, yeah, we want to move quick, obviously, especially seeing people get killed.
		But it's not like you can just snap your fingers.
		There's not a button on Trump's desk that says, like, make the left go away.
		Like, unfortunately, it's just not how it works.
		Unless, I don't know, maybe Stephen Miller has a plan.
		I don't know.
		Maybe there is a button somewhere, but as far as I know, there's only a Diet Coke button.
		He doesn't have the fix everything magically button.
unidentified		We need one of those.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was the annoying thing in the culture war where Brian Shapiro was arguing, Trump's been complaining about healthcare for nine years and hasn't fixed it.
		And I'm like, okay.
		Like, what's the argument that he's been complaining and he hasn't fixed it?
		And I'm like, I complain a lot about a lot of things I can't fix too.
		Like, I don't understand why you're pretending to be upset by this.
		Trump doesn't have a magic button to solve every problem.
		He's a guy.
		We have to be happy with what he gets done and ask him to try harder on things that he's not getting done.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It's a weird thing to get hung up on.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's ultimately like the purpose, if you are a right-winger, if you are right-of-center and you want to win, your purpose is to move the football down the field in whatever capacity you're in.
		And not every play is going to be a Hail Mary.
		Not every play is even going to be like a long 50-yard completion.
		Sometimes it's like a little three-yard run up the middle.
		Like that's how these things work.
		But you have to consistently move the football down the field.
		And when you look at the Trump administration, he is continually pushing the football new line of thinking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who was that guy who ran 60 yards in the wrong direction?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's happened a few times.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Put him in a concussion prototype.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		That was in college football.
unidentified		Punter.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		When the Punter missed.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Steelers had a bad thing.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of Republicans that do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's my point.
		And you're like, hold on a minute.
		Maybe they're doing that on purpose.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Right.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		That's a new line of thinking, though, because I remember the first big election that I was aware of was Mitt Romney and Obama.
		And Mitt Romney's that the conservatives then, it's night and day compared to the conservative movement now.
		Like now they're like, hey, no, we don't want to just stop Democrats.
		We want to actually push our own agenda and get our own things done.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've been around the conservative movement for a really long time, Tim is as well.
		Like from my perspective, it seems like Trump was the first time that people were voting, Republicans, right of center people were voting for a candidate when pretty much every election prior to that, people were just saying, keep him out of office.
		I'll plug my nose and vote for this guy.
		Like Mitt Romney was just an anti-Obama voter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I voted for Trump as a largely keep him out, keep Biden out of office.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Second time around, it was relatively similar, but Trump has proven himself.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The conservative base seems to be like, I'm voting for Trump.
unidentified		Indeed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		That's because Trump was a middle finger to the Republican Party, too.
		Trump was just as destructive to what the Republican Party was as he was to the idea of leftist dominance as well, which is why so many people hated him.
		And they still hate him, by the way.
		Like the vast majority of these people who, you know, a lot of them went never Trump and they did the Bill Crystal bulwark thing.
		But there are plenty of people who were never Trump who came back to the conservative movement and suddenly discovered a respect for Donald Trump until they could vote for Ron DeSantis.
		And all of a sudden you had to vote for Ron DeSantis or you were a traitor to the country and you hated whatever.
		And then Ron DeSantis lost.
		So they kind of had to go back to Trump again.
		And now they're trying to police all the people who are actually loyal to Trump back out of the movement.
		So the Republican Party is still fighting Trump at like every stage.
		And so really, Trump is not just defeating the left.
		He is also defeating what was conservatism as well because it's not fit for a purpose.
		It does not conserve anything.
		We've all recognized that at this point.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Still, do you think that's still happening, though?
		Because definitely in like 2022, 2023, when DeSantis announced his candidacy, there was definitely a lot of pushback from like Rhinos and the Nikki Haleys and stuff.
		I think everyone's kind of falling in line at this point in the right.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		I think that there are a lot of people who are playing Trump fans so they can guide the Trump.
		They recognize MAGA is the future now.
		So, how do I define MAGA, right?
		If you're not familiar, this is how neoconservatives entered into the Republican Party, right?
		Like, this is the Buckleyite purge of the right.
		This is the, you know, we have had a situation over and over again where the establishment sees the new wheel turning and they take control by coming in and saying, well, actually, we get to decide what that looks like, even though we were against you 10 minutes ago.
		Now we're on your team.
		And since we're so smart and elevated and everything, maybe we get to dictate where we're going, right?
		And so I think we're seeing a lot more of that.
		They'll not come out and say directly, I'm against Trump, but they are against everybody who supported Trump the whole time they were against.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Basically, just Massey and Rand Paul.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And that, well, that seemed to be the real sort of a side consequence of the DeSantis candidacy: it made it clear to Trump who was still loyal to him.
		At that time, like, it was like Trump was bleeding allies.
		I mean, Charlie Kirk was one of the only guys in the space that was like, no, we're sticking.
		He's the guy.
		I mean, Trump was bleeding allies everywhere.
		And I think that for him was actually a moment that was helpful, that was beneficial to him.
		Was it weeded out a lot of people that coded MAGA, but were ready to flip at the soonest opportunity, the quickest off-ramp.
unidentified		So is camera still on me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		We're waiting for you to finish your point.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Points been made.
		I'm loyal to Trump till the very end.
		I'm a Trump loyalist, American Caesar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about what happens if we lose.
		We have this from the postmillennial.
		70% of Democrats support amnesty for illegal immigrants, according to Russ Musson.
		47% of voters said that Trump's immigration policies have been too harsh.
		32% said they were just right.
		70% said not harsh enough.
		70% of Democrats support legislation toward amnesty to illegal immigrants who are in the United States, according to this poll.
		So if Democrats get power, we know exactly what they're going to do.
		For what, the fourth time now?
		They're going to let a large block of non-citizens become citizens.
		And I don't know, what is this?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Rome?
		I mean, I'm 41 now, and I cannot remember a single election during my adult lifetime that was considered legitimate.
		Like starting with Bush and Gore, and then you had Obama and the birth certificate, and then you had all the questions of Russia Gate and everything with Trump.
		And then it was the election with Biden and all the counts there.
		Nobody has accepted truly an election as legitimate the whole time I've been able to vote as an adult.
		And we're all still standing around like that's not going to have a cost eventually, right?
		So now we're done like making arguments.
		The Democrats are just going to import new voters, or if they can't win that way, they're just going to do violence.
		But the idea that they're just going to say, oh, well, I guess the Republicans, they just won that election and now that's just the way things are.
		That is never happening again.
		It hasn't happened the whole time I've been around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will be in prison.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll be in the gulag.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		That's what worries me about this, the Zoron stuff, dude.
		If the Democrat Party is positioning themselves in support of Zoron and his policies and they win the midterms, that's frightening.
		Yeah, well, it's terrifying.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And the thing about Zoron that's so disturbing is he's importing like a third world form of authoritarianism.
		That's kind of foreign.
		Like the Democrats, yes, they have, you know, demonstrated they have this proclivity, but it's not the third world style where the third world style is legitimately just killing your political enemies, throwing them in jail, et cetera, et cetera.
		And yeah, the Democrats have flirted with that, but Zoron importing that style of, you know, vaguely left-wing politics is like really disturbing because that for them is not even really about pushing any policy down the field.
		It's literally just about vengeance, retribution.
		This is what you saw in Uganda.
		I mean, you do what I mean?
		Like, can anybody name a single policy of his?
		Like, I don't know, but all I knew is he was, you know, persecuting his political enemies.
		It's a form of vengeance that is particular to that part of the world.
		And then you're going to bring, you know, that voter base in to support.
		You're going to bring that voter base in from the third world that will continue to advocate for these policies.
		Don't believe me.
		Look at Minneapolis.
		Look at Elon Omar.
		All she's doing is just everyone's like, how is it that she's a Muslim but supports LGBT?
		It's because like, that's not the point.
		The point is just like retribution and vengeance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Destroy America.
		So it's also divide and conquer.
		It is, we want a Somali Muslim community where we live and we need to weaken their machine to empower ours.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing how gullible conservatives are.
		If you just throw some kind of ideological gobbledygook at them, they'll just debate that forever rather than notice the obvious.
		Like, no, foreign hordes are importing their own people to take over your stuff.
		Like, you could track this back to thousands of years in BC and it wouldn't matter.
		It's the same strategy.
		Nothing has changed about human nature.
		The fact that you have some abstract ideology where you think that as soon as someone walks into America, they randomly become George Washington.
		Like, sorry, but that's not actually how it works.
		But conservatives will just debate this endlessly rather than recognize the opposite.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We created some kind of viral gene manipulation where when they walked in, we spray them and then they actually turn into George Washington.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, their IQ goes up 20 points.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They gain all of the pocketbook constitutions and they still want to eat me.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, what is it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I think you're all wrong because clearly, as everybody knows, once we delivered the American constitutional system to Liberia, they became a developed, heavily civilized nation.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		And it's a just launched their space station.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		It's going great.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like one of those air hogs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You just eat each other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a lot of cannibalism there.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Get hungry, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The space station was a drawing from a tourist who was there, not actually the country of Liberia.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		In Crayon, you know, in Crayon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Liberia is a really great example of this multiculturalism is fake.
		We go to this place, we establish a colony, we say, here's how the government works.
		And they're like, so we eat each other?
		And we're like, no, you vote.
		But I want to eat him.
		And then it's like, we come back to check on them and we're like, how's the government going?
unidentified		And they're just like, it was delicious.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The barbecue is in charge now.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to tell you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, what was the guy's name?
		What was the actual guy's name?
		Butt naked.
		General Buttnaked.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		General Butt Naked.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, barbecue is Haiti.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		They're eating people there.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're losing track of all the cannibals.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Wherever you're eating people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Isn't he all orange?
		I'm confused by this.
		Could you explain to us why giving an American constitutional system to people in Liberia did not create a utopia?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		So constitutions are not just written documents.
		Constitutions are literally what it sounds like.
		They are the way that the people are constituted.
		And so when we write down things on a piece of paper, we're just capturing what we were in that moment.
		So the reason that the American founding document is so beautiful is not just that the words on paper are great, though they are.
		It's that the people who wrote them down were capturing the way they lived their lives and actually showing us this is who we are as a people.
		If you replace the people, you replace the Constitution.
		It doesn't matter if you still have a written document, the document is not enough.
		So like South Africa has one of the most amazing constitutions ever in a lot of people's mind.
		It promises housing and all these amazing things.
		And guess what?
		South Africa sucks.
		And it's because the Constitution itself cannot mediate what's happening there.
		The document can only work if it's a shared agreement about your traditions, your heritage, your religious beliefs, your values.
		And the minute you treat that legal document as like the actual structure of your government, you've completely failed to understand what holds your country together.
		And this is why it matters what the people believe and the quality of the people, which is what the founders actually told us.
		That was what John Adams said.
		We need a moral and religious people.
		The country is not going to work.
		The Constitution is not going to work.
		It's not because he thought the Constitution was bad or failed or couldn't do the job.
		It's that he knew constitutions were only a reflection of their people.
		And so if you hand a constitution foreign to Liberia to Liberia, they will act like Liberians and not whatever the Constitution says.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like they were so obviously like pretty exclusive about who they viewed as an American.
		And like Thomas Jefferson bought a Quran and everyone points to this.
		So he was this open-minded guy.
		He like went to war with Libya right after he read it.
		He's like, what?
		Okay, let's go and find a country over there and just invade them.
		The founding fathers are like very clear of who they, you know, because this is one of the last questions Charlie Kirk sort of posed to the conservative movement was like, what is an American?
		And like, that's a really vital question that's screaming out for an answer.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, and, you know, John Jay actually told us in Federalist number two, which is so weird because like we have this whole like body of what the founders actually thought and we all just kind of ignore it when we debate the founders' values.
		He said it's one nation and one people descended from the same people, speaking the same language, sharing the same religion.
		Like he wasn't, it wasn't coy about what a nation was.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Like he was very explicit.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You made this point, I think it was on Tucker, where you were saying like that Anglo-Protestant sort of ethos that captured like the founders sort of the way that they viewed the world, their culture was with their religion, et cetera, et cetera.
		Like the closer you get to that, the closer you will get to the Constitution just kind of being natural and flowing.
		And the further away you get from that, the more it's going to be a little bit convoluted.
		And then, yeah, you look at Minneapolis and it's like, they just view the Constitution as restrictive and irritable and an imposition rather than like just kind of a natural outflowing.
		Where I look at the Constitution, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.
		Yeah, totally.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You know, I'm not one of these people who thinks that it's entirely impossible for someone to assimilate to the United States.
		Like even Pat Buchanan said that people can assimilate to the United States.
		But he was very clear.
		They have to have something to eliminate or assimilate to.
		Like that you have to have a predominant culture.
		And if you bring in a lot of people who don't share that culture all at once, that culture will cease to be.
		That's as obvious as it can be to anyone in the world.
		So it's not like you can't bring a few people in from a foreign country because they married an American or they're an exceptional person and they can learn the ways of America over time.
		And over generations, their family can become American.
		But you can't just walk millions of people in and be like, well, we read the Constitution and now they're all Americans.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
		MK Ultra, remember that?
		Anyone who comes to this country has to get MK Ultran.
		It's not two weeks locked in a room with no windows, metal, those metal, you know, whatever they're called, holding your eyes open while you watch just like.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		J.D. Vance memes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		GHS edits.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, DHS memes.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Aura farming from the.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That might work.
		That's better than our current strategy.
		Well, I mean, to your point, too, is like, you know, you have to have something to assimilate, too, because this is like something conservatives keep saying.
		I'm like, this is not true.
		It's like, they're like, how did someone like Zoran, he's not assimilated?
		How did this happen?
		I'm like, have you ever been to the outer boroughs of New York City?
		He actually reflects.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		He's in perfectly.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He reflects the new group there very well, actually.
		It's like, you knew around here?
		This is kind of what our cities look like these days.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		One silver lining to Zoron and what's happening in New York City is they're going to speed run this test of socialism in arguably the largest.
		It's still by population the largest city in America.
		Oh, right.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Two times as big as it is.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		So they're going to speedrun this test.
		And I predict that it's going to fail miserably.
		And so you could get a conservative New York after all this.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so because Jack Pesobic.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It's a dream, but I can.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Jack Pesobic made this point, and it's just really poignant.
		And it's kind of a hard pill to swallow, but it's true.
		He was talking about the New York City mayoral election.
		He's like, this isn't an election about policy anymore.
		This is an election that's basically a census.
		This is an election about demographics.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		California, is it better run now or when it was in the 50s and 60s?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Right.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		But you can't get a Republican elected in California anymore.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Why?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Is it because Democrats are so much better at running California?
		No, the electoral results don't matter.
		You moved a bunch of people into the United States and shifted the demographics of California.
		That's all that matters.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But whatever the reason, it is obvious that California is mismanaged and not being run properly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the option is Trump should declare an insurrection and go in and clean it up.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Your options are either to separate from these people or to rule them.
		There is no other option, right?
		To rule them.
		Those are your options.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I do think New York will be different than what you're describing in California because that was like a slow rot problem, right?
		Like it was decades of mismanagement that, and then all of a sudden you look back and you're like, how did we get here with Zoron's policies about like privatizing the grocery stores, I think he wants?
		He wants to make sure he wants to social grocery stores.
		That's change that's going to happen overnight.
		And it's people's going to see that impact.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about how awesome it is for people who don't live in New York.
		We could get like a big box truck, go to one of his commie stores, buy a ton of stuff and just bring it here.
		And we save tons of money.
		And it's them who's collapsing.
		We'll then sell these goods at low rates to the stores here for a small profit to exploit the communism.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a joke, but I guarantee there's people already thinking of this like in neighboring states.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I can't wait.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly why this is so dumb.
		People are, not even neighboring states.
		You're going to live in New York.
		You're going to go to these stores and you're going to say, no profit products.
		I'll take the lot.
		Then they're going to drive across the way to Jersey and they're going to be like, I can sell it to you at cost for delivery.
		You guys, look, the 20% margin gone.
		I make 5%.
		You make 15%.
		And they're going to be like, this is amazing.
		And then these stores will never have food in them.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		They're doing this at the casino.
		You see these people walk up and they buy like a whole carton of cigarettes.
		And I'm like, why?
		That's insane.
		You're paying casino price.
		It's like $15 a pack.
		They're taking it because they've got bonus points through the casino, taking it and selling it somewhere else.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		In Chicago, the way it works is that Illinois passed these taxes on cigarettes, but Indiana didn't.
		So people would drive to Indiana, buy a ton of cartons of cigarettes.
		Then every party you were at, people were like, smokes, who wants smokes?
		And they called them squares back then.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I bartered with cigarettes all through Africa because in the capital, you could get them.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I thought we were getting a prison story.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, Africa really is one big prison when you really think about it.
		But like, yeah, I would be like a Nairobi.
		And then when I was in the countryside in the bush, there's no access to cigarettes there.
		So I wasn't even using it.
		I was just using them to barter.
		Like I'd pay for taxis and stuff on them because it's just like, even though it's worth less than what the taxi would have cost, or the taxi you're just hopping on the back of a motorcycle, using the cigarette, they're like, oh, well, I don't go to Nairobi anymore.
		I can just help this guy out.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		But I do want us to just remember this.
		Like, it's really, really important.
		Is the economics dumb?
		Yes.
		Do they even know the economics down?
		They might, actually.
		The point is, this is not about the economic system.
		This is a raid.
		Right.
		This is how to loot the treasury.
		It's not about, oh, I figured out Karl Marx is actually correct about distribution of goods.
		No, no.
		This is about people from a foreign country coming in, seeing that you have stuff that they don't have, and then taking it from you.
		Like, this is not about an economic system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this story from the AP.
		This is pretty wild.
		This broke last night.
		Trump says he's ending trade negotiations with Canada over TV ads.
		They ran these misleading ads where it was, I guess, Ronald Reagan disparaging tariffs or whatever.
		$75,000 ad.
		They only did this to interfere with the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court and other courts.
		Tariffs are very important to the national security and economy of the U.S. All trade negotiations with Canada are hereby terminated.
		I look forward to Canadians whinging on X being like, we're going to throw you, Steve Ween.
		It's like, bro, let's see how long your economy lasts when we cut you off.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have no obligation to provide support to Canada.
		You know what?
		You can be the 51st state or you can cry about it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We should just buy them with the money we're tariffing off of them.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Save up for a few months and just buy them.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Put it on.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		We're buying Canada jar on top of the refrigerator.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's be real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If we cut off all trade to Canada, literally cut them off, how long would they last?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Not very.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then once they're in their weakened state, we pick up the scraps.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm sick of this Canadian arrogance.
		I got a ton of death threats.
		When I jokingly said we should conquer Canada, I'll be greeted as liberators.
		They're so arrogant.
		Not all Canadians.
		Some of them actually would greet us as liberators, saying, Please help us from what our government's doing.
		But it's fascinating how many arrogant Canadians there are that act like the United States needs them.
		There are many businesses in the United States that do trade with Canada and they make money and those businesses will suffer from this stuff.
		It's unfortunate for those Americans, but we have no obligation as a nation to subsidize Canada.
		And they say, yes, but we provide you with peanuts and oil and that's just fine.
		We don't need it.
		We like it.
		We want it, but it needs a totally different scenario.
		We shut down that border.
		Yeah.
		We'll hurt a little bit.
		I think most people largely will go without noticing it, and Canada will be bent over backwards.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the country's own leadership is turning it into a colony of India.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		So we can't do anything worse to Canada than they're doing to their own citizens.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They haven't, and not just that, they're importing ethnic grievances.
		Like in Brampton, Ontario, there's like, I don't, I don't even know what groups, but they like go at it in like Walmart parking lots stuff.
		It's like, wow, thanks a lot, guys.
		I think we just take the CN Tower and move it to Vegas.
		Just like steal it, just move it, shut the border down.
		We're keeping Justin Bieber.
		Sorry about it.
		That'd be the ultimate message.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		The only thing Canada has are those kind of like C-list sci-fi shows.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Those are all main Canada.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Those are pretty good.
unidentified		That's true.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Househunters is really.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I like households.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's that, Canada?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're major important sci-fi channel.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yep, the CW1s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They ended the Arrowverse anyway.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		We can maybe annex those studios and then.
		But no, in all seriousness, they don't like, listen, half the country's frozen for half or the country's frozen for half the year.
		The farming's not that great.
		We have oil in Alaska, right?
		So it's like there's not actually maybe maple syrup, maybe some of the maple trees or maple syrup from our offering.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you think about this.
		How many troops would we really need to conquer Canada?
		Very little.
		It would be a rounding error for us to put in the budget conquering of Canada.
		So I say we do.
unidentified		Yeah.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		They can keep Quebec, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They can keep it.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's Greenland first.
		I think we need Greenland as like a station point.
		Kind of almost like a.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't it be amazing if we couldn't hold Afghanistan, but we could hold Canada?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Like ultimately, that means really base.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We actually complete a road.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		They don't have goat herder technology, so we're able to like actually take them over.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, in all actuality, the geopolitical play in taking Canada, and this is why the Trump administration actually floated it, is because the Arctic is opening up now.
		We're trying to like, you know, we're trying to provide a counterbalance for the powers at B. And so, you know, grabbing the Northwest Territories and none of it, I think is how you pronounce it.
		That gives us access to this potential, you know, sea route that's opening up through the North.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		The Russian foreign minister proposed a bridge, an underwater, well, a tunnel between Alaska and Russia.
		And a lot of people are laughing it off, but I mean, like, you're right.
		Like, a solar observer, Ben Davidson is warning about this.
		Like, as the climate's shifting, for whatever reason you want to attribute it to, the ice is melting.
		These shipping lanes are opening up.
		That part of the world is going to see a lot more interaction than ever before than we can, you know, in our history at least.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think it was like six months ago where a breaker successfully completed the route and brought a boat with it.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, doesn't Russia have just this giant fleet of icebreakers compared to everyone?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		They do.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Huge fleet.
		Well, because they have Murmansk in the north of Russia.
		That's a port that's like frozen for like nine months a year, but they got to get stuff in there because I don't think it connects to their road system.
		So it's the only way to get stuff there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, guys, I asked our friend ChatGPT, which is retarded, by the way.
		Seriously, it's the worst LLM of all now.
		But I said, based on historical wars, how many troops would the U.S. need to conquer Canada?
		What do you think it said?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Million?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		A dozen.
unidentified		500,000.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		200,000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're all wrong.
		It said, I can't help plan, estimate, or advise on committing violence or an invasion.
		Asking how many troops would be needed to conquer a country is a request to facilitate violent wrongdoing, so I have to refuse.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		What about in Minecraft?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what it said.
		Hold on.
		Hold on.
		It actually thought that we sitting here were planning to utilize the U.S. military to invade and conquer Canada, or that we had in some way the possibility to amass an army to do so.
		That is the stupidest thing ever.
		So I responded with, no one is going to attack Canada.
		I am asking based on military size for academic reasons for math.
		Fair.
		You said this is academic and math.
		I can do that only at a high level.
		No operational advice, no invasion planning.
		I was just asking it.
		What I wanted it to do was take a look at the size of Canada, the size of the U.S., historical record, and based on warfare, like the amount of people, what is the typical amount of troops that are required to conquer a nation like Canada?
		And it says one soldier per thousand civilians is the minimal garrison metric.
		And it's saying force to population ratio.
		It would be, you would need, let's see, 3.8 active soldiers per thousand people.
		And so it's not giving me, it's still refusing to give me a total number.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It's the population of Canada?
unidentified		Yeah.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		We can do this.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		39 million.
		You just need Toronto, pretty much.
		About 39 million.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		If you take Toronto, that's it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So 3.8, is that what it was?
		3.8 soldiers per thousand into 40 million.
		So that's actually not that hard to calculate.
		That's 40 million is about 1,000.
		So you're looking at 3,800 per million.
		Is that what it's going to be?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm sold.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, wait, wait, 3.8.
unidentified		Hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who's doing it?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		3.8.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		3.8 per thousand.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		3,800.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		40 million.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's 3,800 per million.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So 48 million divided by 1,000, right?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Times 3.8.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why can't we just answer the question?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It would be what, 3,800 times 40?
unidentified		3,800 times 40.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I believe that's my math rate.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		That's what I said.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		152,000.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm like, what?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		That's what.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If it's 3.8 per thousand into 40 million, that would be.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		150,000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, it really won't give me the answer.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I guess 200,000.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, price is right rules.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You're closest.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Guys, I'm looking at my count.
		I'm busy this weekend.
		Can we do the liberation of Canada?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It says between about 100,000 troops in Halloween.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we might be able to scare them with our Halloween.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have the live on the 8th.
		So we have to do it before then.
		We'll be busy that weekend.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		You don't want that to interrupt your show.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		So I don't know.
		Maybe two weekends we could do it.
		Why not?
		No one has said a reason.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		You know, the number is going to be tricky because how many ports do they really have?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Once we should just blockade the Halifax, that's it.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		As long as we disassemble battlecruisers and reassemble them on the Great Lakes and fight like the War of 1812, that's all I worry about.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It's a trick question because Andoril is making drone technology now.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		So we're going to have a fleet of American drones.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		We don't need any troops.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		We don't need any troops.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We only need 20 just to play the video.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we need 13-year-olds on Fortnite.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Gamers at your moment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I would argue before I'm going to get way more death threats now, but since the Charlie Kirkland, the death threats have been, the threats in general just been way worse.
		So the worst, the two worst things that ever happened was when I claimed we would invade Canada, it was nuts.
		We got so many emails from people being like, oh, yeah, Canada.
		And I'm like, uh-huh.
		And then, but we don't, we didn't take any of that seriously.
		The Charlie Kirk thing, everything's very serious.
		So the Canadians can say whatever they want.
		Nobody wants your Iceland.
		You know what I mean?
		Maybe Iceland.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Our threat worked because breaking news from the BBC, Ontario to stop running anti-tariff advert that led Trump's.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		No worries, boys.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Great way we did it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That GPT totally fell for it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He thought we were doing this for academic reasons.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mentioned Iceland, Tim.
		No one wants Iceland.
		They definitely don't.
		They have mosquitoes for the first time ever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I saw it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I said nobody wants your land.
		Maybe Iceland.
		Iceland's awesome.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Well, no one wants.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like Fartsland.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		No, they've got mosquitoes and Fart.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Are we still going to get Greenland?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Is that tabled?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, what happened to that?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're a little busy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just kind of realized something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we just take all countries?
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Spread democracy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, no, here's an idea.
		Hold on, hold on.
		Hold on.
		Obviously, we can't, we don't have troops for every single country.
		But what if we created a system where we set up a bank and offered money to these countries to put them in debt?
		And then it's not that we have enough troops to actually conquer everybody, but that we could conquer any individual one by going back on these deals and rallying other forces against them.
		We can build this.
		It might take a couple decades.
		Eventually, every country will be within our financial system.
		We can cut them off and we'll own them.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Tim, that's not world domination.
		That's global governance.
		Okay, that's a responsible global community.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's totally unrealistic because we would need to put bases dotted around the world.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Nobody would allow you that.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		That would look too much like some kind of global.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		There are certain countries that really push back.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		What we can do is we just have to install a friendly person of their culture and then they'll run the country the way we run.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		What if they only watched our TV shows and our movies?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		And then we can just tell them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I was thinking?
		In the event that there's some nation that just won't get on board, what we can do is first, we can bribe them with money.
		We'll go to the leader and just say, listen, you'll live like a king.
		Let's get on board.
		And if they don't do that, we can then try and prop up maybe a rival to that politician and defeat them.
		And if that doesn't work, then we'll send in the troops and kill them.
		And they can maybe hide underground or they're terrorists.
		Of course.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is all necessary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We came, we saw they died.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is all absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Never, never, never has any of this ever.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, this will never happen.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		The sad thing is if we would just admit that we're an empire, then we could just rule people correctly.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is an important point because this is the point Trump made in 2016 is like all this discourse around like the global war on terror and everything.
		And Trump's problem was just like, where's the oil?
		Because he has that emperor thinking.
		He wasn't concerned about the logistics.
		He's just like, where's the oil?
		And that's actually really poignant.
		It's like, if we're going to be this global empire, can we benefit a little bit?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got to be honest, I have a bit more respect for Trump, and I'm sure many people would, if he literally went on TV, put on a crown and said, we are the American Empire and we're taking your oil.
		To be fair, he actually did this famously in his first term when he was in the he was near the ellipse, the helicopter, and they asked him and he's like, Saudi Arabia is going to buy a bunch of weapons from us.
		It's great for the economy.
		And all these anti-war people on the left and the right just went like their jaws dropped.
		And they were like, he just, he just admitted it.
		He just admitted this is what the U.S. government does.
		And Trump was like, oh, yeah.
		And I thought everyone knew that.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the best part about Trump.
		I mean, at some point, you do hope that like JD Vance offers him the laurel three times and he refuses it though.
		You know, so you got a little bit of classic cover there.
		But yeah, no, Trump comes out all the time and just makes it clear like he expects transactional relationships politically.
		You know, he's like, well, I don't understand.
		Obviously, we're in charge here.
		You should be kicking back to us.
		Like there's no hesitation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are going to go to the backstage Discord members instead of super chats as we do this special episode.
		I don't know how we've got it set up.
		We have a bunch of questions in advance, or we can just take the chat directly from the IRL backstage.
		For those that are wondering what's going on, we are experimenting with format.
		And this is a pre-recorded episode we recorded a little bit earlier today.
		And we allowed the Discord members, go to Timcast.com, you click join us, you sign up, to not only watch the whole live show pre-record, but even the hour of, well, it's about 45 minutes, I think, of pre-production where they hung out while we were choosing stories and goofing off.
		And now we're going to take chats from the Discord community as opposed to what we normally do with the super chat.
		So I don't know how we have it, you guys, pulled up or what questions, but we'll certainly just read your questions from the backstage as we would any other super chat.
		I do think people gave us questions in advance, though.
		Everybody's frantically looking for them.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		We should have them.
		Brett does have a compiled list somewhere.
		I don't know if Serge has that pulled up.
		We do have a chat, though, on screen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm reading the chat right now.
		So you guys can just send in whatever you want, give you fair warning.
		And we'll start with this from unemployed tech guy, Tim.
		Why is Nick Fuentes gay?
		I would assume that if he was gay, I don't know that he is, but many people think he is, it would simply be because he was born that way.
		Is there any other answer to that?
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He watches anime.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What boonies board did he buy?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Do we know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who did?
unidentified		Nick?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for the Booney.
unidentified		Be gay or don't be gay.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's how you decide.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		We could gift him one.
		We'll say, oh, it's a mystery.
		We just picked a random one out, but it's the.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Just see which one he picks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just to clarify, the Mississippi gentleman asked, wait, this is pre-recorded.
		No, you're listening to us live.
		But everybody who's watching in the normal time slot, it will have been recorded earlier in the day.
		We got this question from Dirtboard OG says, did Jason Ellis drop in on that crazy effing ramp after skate night?
		He did not.
		And it probably was wise.
		I think he could do it, but he's also in his 50s.
		And that's the real concern.
		It's like he was as young.
		When he was a young man, it would have been no problem.
		And we were all concerned.
		The drop-in actually isn't the challenge.
		And most people, like these pros we bring in, they look at the ramp and they're like, I could do it.
		The problem is where you go afterwards because you're going to be dropping and you're going to be going, what, like 30 miles an hour from this vert ramp, and there's nowhere to go.
		So we need to set up like a bunch of pillows or something.
		Otherwise, people are going to just crash out and get seriously.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		You can get like those giant inflatable airbags.
unidentified		I've seen, you see them at like, you don't like those?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We do have those inflatable bags at the castle.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When he was here, they're probably eaten by rats by now.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		When he was here, he was walking back and forth, looking at the thing like a frantic dog.
		Be like, I'm going to get that.
		He was like, he was foaming it.
unidentified		He was just eyeing it up and down, just ready to do it, but he wouldn't do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's go.
		Sopy says, it's been a year.
		Can we finally get the Boonies Discord set up and someone to actually rally the troops?
		I feel like the Boonies is severely lacking on all fronts.
		I've been told things are coming since day one and nothing except new deck designs every three or four months at Timcast.
		As I often state, unless I am doing the work, things don't happen.
		And don't ask me why.
		I don't know.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		But we didn't do the live shows.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They know, was it?
unidentified		We've been doing the live shows.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The live.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's true.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So we've been doing the skate night live events, which have been massive and have been taken over the skate industry by storm.
		We're looking at big sponsors who are now fighting over skate night, which is amazing.
		Not like we're going to get paid millions of dollars, but there's a bidding war now.
		And that's good news.
		And we've got two of the biggest pros for January that appear to be tangentially booked, which is going to be nuts.
		I'm talking high-profile individuals.
		I'm going to try to get one of them to come on Timcast IRL.
		I'm not going to say who it is, but it's going to be amazing.
		And not going to, he's like a younger guy in his 30s.
		But as for the Discord, you are correct.
		We need management.
		So maybe our new managers will get on top of things and solve that.
		The crew itself have been working overtime to do those live events.
		But you are correct.
		You are absolutely correct.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		We also have a green room episode with Rep Riley Moore, which was a skate session.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, cool.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		So if you guys are interested in the boonies content, go check out that video on Timcast IRL Rumble.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I texted Riley Moore, and Santos called Tim Burchett the other night about doing a congressional pro team.
		And I was like, Tim Burchett.
		Tim Burchett's a cruiser skater.
		My understanding, I don't think he does like flip tricks, but Riley Moore actually can do all the tricks.
unidentified		Riley rips.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Riley, yeah.
		He did a kickflip fakey on the bank.
		And I'm sure for, you know, if Riley was a lot younger, he's high-level skateboarding.
		The fact that he's in his 40s and a member of Congress and is not really a skateboarder, but can still do these tricks means he must have been really good.
		Yeah, because he came in, he did a kickflip-de-faky with no problem.
		And I'm like, man, when he was in his 20s, I bet he was top tier.
		But now he's like family guy.
		He's working business.
		He doesn't skate all the time.
		So he rips.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		He's local.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I've had him on the show, but I did not expect him to be a great skateboarder.
unidentified		He's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's probably the only skateboarder, only person in Congress who can kickflip.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm like, let's do a congressional model.
		Here's the other big news.
		The new Boonies models are coming out very soon.
		There's going to be 65 original boards, five.
		There's going to be five unique ones.
		There's five unique designs.
		Then for each design, there will be five gold metallic versions of the board serialized.
		And once we sell out of these 70 boards, they will never be made again.
		So we're aiming for this about once a month of a new design.
		And this next one is, it's like animals and environment like, I don't know, terrain.
		Animals and environment.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Like primal kind of thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't call it primal.
		It's each board is a different animal with a different terrain.
		And it's just a design for the boonies.
		And there's a bullet for each person's name, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah, it's cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, something like that.
		And then we're going to have five gold and metallic ones, meaning if you order the board of boonies, you will randomly receive one of the metallic gold foil.
		We think with 70 boards of each, we are going to just sell them all out instantly because we sell way more boards as it is.
		And then that being the case, we are going to have a rotation of new graphics and designs coming out every month.
		And they're all going to have limited edition versions.
		What is this?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		The questions that we have.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have questions now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We do have the questions being pulled up.
		Let me move.
		You can't do that.
		That doesn't work.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		These are from Discord members throughout the week.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It's similar to the call-in submissions, but they submitted written questions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would like to get the ones specifically for Aren.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are these just in general?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		These are with Aren in mind.
		They should be, but they might just be general questions.
		You know, people ask whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's do this with Plumber Dave.
		He says, where on the threat to Western Civilization Meter would you place the ideology of technocrats?
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I think it's pretty huge, not just to Western civilization, but to all of us.
		Right now, vast managerial bureaucracies are pretty much the building block of most of civilization.
		And that means that technocratic decisions are removing most of our human agency from the governance that we think we're.
		A lot of our political divide is actually us arguing over the results of our technology and not understanding that that is what caused our problems and not necessarily individual ideological assumptions.
		And so the problem is that the more that we don't recognize that those structures are taking over our decision-making process, the worse things get and we just end up kind of pointing at each other rather than recognizing a core issue of the problem.
		So I think technerocracy is one of the greatest problems facing us today.
unidentified		Agreed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Sleepy Wizzo says, if ICE tries to arrest someone in the courthouse and the judge orders the bailiff to intervene, can an accompanying FBI agent arrest the bailiff for interfering with federal law enforcement?
		Yes.
		You could just do things.
		The question is, who has the willpower to actually do these things?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the precedent's been set with the judge in Minnesota.
		Was that what was the judge where he helped sneak the illegal immigrants?
		Yeah, yeah, and then she did.
		So she was charged.
		There's precedent in holding people accountable that are aiding the evasion of ICE and these federal officers.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, the greater question with the bailiff would be, obviously, he's under orders, right?
		And so it's a little different thing when the judge makes that decision.
		So I don't, you'd hope that ultimately the bailiff and the FBI agent wouldn't come to blows, but that is literally when you get civil war stuff, right?
		Like when you have two armed agents of the state obeying different factions of the state, that's when I think that's when you can truly say that you are well and deep into any given civil war.
		We've talked before about how, you know, if you had a civil war, we'd go back to other times.
		But I think once you start seeing different agents of the state obeying different entities inside the state and fighting each other like with real force, that that's an undeniable situation.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Would the bailiff have jurisdiction outside the courtroom?
		Because if you watch Elod does a lot of these videos where the ICE agents are waiting outside the courtroom, they're in the hallway of the courthouse, but they're not in the courtroom.
		So my question is, does the bailiff have any power once he steps out of that courtroom?
		Or is he just there in that actual room?
		That would be my question.
		And I would imagine ICE was waiting in the hallway for a reason because that's when they're allowed to take these people into custody.
		But I don't know.
		I'm not a lawyer.
		That's just my two cents on it.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, I imagine that's right, but it's going to depend on, again, like the jurisdiction of the or whatever organization was providing the bailiff.
		Usually bailiffs are part of a sheriff's department or part of a police department somewhere else.
		They're not usually just officers of the court.
		So it would kind of depend.
		But again, I am also not a lawyer, so I don't know the exact.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I see what you're saying.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		So they could still be law enforcement in a different capacity outside that courtroom.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		If you're a police officer and you're like working for a city, once you move outside that municipality, you are no longer in that jurisdiction.
		You might still be a law enforcement officer.
		I've seen law enforcement officers detain people, but even if they're not in that jurisdiction, but they cannot ultimately make the arrests.
		They don't have the ability to do that because they are not inside the jurisdiction where they have authority.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		You'll see that with fire departments and even the local police departments out around here because there's a river that separates the different states in the area we're in.
		And a lot of times if you live right on that border, you cross the river.
		It's not a magic like, hey, I'm in the safe zone.
		You can't touch me.
		No, the departments, the fire departments, the police departments, they work together.
		And they're like, no, we have jurisdiction in their county.
		They have it in ours.
		We work together.
		So.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		We have a lot of questions.
		I don't know if we have time to get to every single one, but we'll read some more.
		Let's go.
		St. Saturn says, for Tim and Coe, the Trump administration is apparently going to cut student loans.
		Why?
		This was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
		So why is the administration playing with this?
		I heard that was just for people who joined the federal government, who joined ICE and stuff.
unidentified		I thought it was just for the income prepayment plan stuff, too.
unidentified		I think he was bringing that back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am unaware.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the Republicans should just be seizing the university endowments and then forgiving student loans with that money.
		That's the way to do it.
		It's a winning issue.
		It wins with the students.
		You're not raiding the pockets of plumbers and other people to pay off entitled people.
		And you're making the people who actually stole the money, the universities, pay the cost.
		It's a win across the board.
		The fact that the Republicans aren't embracing it is foolish.
unidentified		It's a great solution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's a fun one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Pants asks, is Israel's complaint about Hamas valid if Israel previously funded them?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Ooh.
		I feel like we probably have NGOs that funded cartels.
		Is it still our problem?
		I'd say yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so it depends on what their complaint is.
		If the complaint is Hamas or terrorists, if some dude came to my house and said, I'm going to mow your lawn.
		And I was like, sounds good.
		And it's like, what do you tell me what you're going to do?
		And he's like, well, I'm going to mow the lawn.
		I'm going to pick it up and throw it away.
		And I promise that's what I'll do.
		I said, okay, here's 50 bucks.
		And then he goes, awesome.
		Comes back with a bunch of bags of garbage and trash because he went to a McDonald's and bought a bunch of nasty food.
		Starts chucking all over the place.
		And I'm like, oh, what are you doing?
		Man, you're making a mess.
		And then someone goes, yeah, well, you paid him.
		So you have no complaint.
		I'd be like, dude, I didn't pay him to do this.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And we were joking earlier about like regime change, how we'll pay these people to get a desired outcome.
		That doesn't, it usually doesn't happen.
		It doesn't happen the way we want it to.
		So I think it was kind of like a lesson after the Cold War where a lot of these powers in the world were like, let's try regime change out.
		Let's throw money at this problem.
		And we're finding out now in 2025, it's not a good idea.
		It doesn't really work.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Well, Israel created a situation where the people who live alongside them are never going to be okay with them being there.
		That's just never going to happen.
		You're not going to do a peace deal.
		No one's going to talk it through and have a negotiation and be, yeah, at the end of the day, it's okay if you're living in the house my grandparents used to live in and you took a gunpoint.
		Like, that's never going to happen.
		You can say Israel is right or wrong and its establishment, everything else.
		That's immaterial.
		At this point, it is a sovereign nation.
		It has control over what it's going to do.
		And so it's going to deploy its military forces against people who ultimately are trying to kill them or stop them or whatever.
		Again, we can go through all the ideological justifications, but at the end of the day, this is just a reality.
		When you have two incompatible populations living in the same place, one of them is going to displace the other.
		That's the end of it.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's a war.
		You know, I look at it.
		I'm like, it's a war like any other war.
		If your argument is we shouldn't be involved, I'll say, just like every other war, I agree.
		But it's crazy to me how people take moral stances with foreign governments like this.
		Like, I got nothing to do with it, bro.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You want to argue China, Burma, Tibet?
		I don't know.
		Like, sure, I guess.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		It's mostly just Israel, though.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we don't really hear these questions about China.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And why not Taiwan?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a good paradigm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess Taiwan's not being occupied yet.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go grab some more.
		Dusty says a question for the panel.
		Back before Trump was in office and before he was elected, he was talking about the possibility of releasing the Epstein files.
		However, on that time, Google searches for suicide spiked in the DC area.
		Tim had led one of the episodes talking about it.
		How much of a possibility the people involved may commit suicide out of fear of the release has affected why Trump has not yet released the Epstein files.
		I don't think that I think the suicide was related to the closing of USAID.
		So I don't think it was related to Epstein.
		This is around the time that they shut all these offices, everyone got fired, and then you saw a spike in suicide searches.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		You saw that after COVID when people lost their jobs and after J6 when people lost their jobs, you saw a similar thing.
		And I think the common theme is you take someone's livelihood away, they get very mental illness spikes, right?
		So, and that's what this USAID stuff was.
		I mean, it was good to shut it down, but a lot of people, you just cut off their livelihood.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was reading about how a lot of the infrastructure behind the suicide hotline and those types of organizations really like bolstered during the financial crash because they just like mental health crises shot through the roof.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Are these like Google searches on how to get help and to deal with suicide or like how to commit suicide?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think it's just a keyword, like suicide being in the search.
unidentified		Okay, so it's like one way of searching suicide, having that in there.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Because libs of TikTok could report one instance of it, then everyone starts Googling this, like, oh, what is going on?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I was just wondering what the actual suicide squad movie comes out, and everyone's like, what kind of news event could have caused this?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got a chat from Olivia.
		Hey, Tim, two of the Discord members got married on Wednesday.
		Michael and Kat met here and after knowing each other for two years are married.
		Kat was also my bridesmaid.
		The Discord really is incredible and life-changing for a lot of us.
		Incredible.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Congrats, guys, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Today's show was a combination of factors.
		We were like, with everything we've been bringing up about extended workdays, threats of security, live streaming, we were like, well, the one thing we can try and do is maybe just on a Friday because the news usually dies around the afternoon and the stories we have are usually from earlier as it is.
		I was like, let's pre-record it, but then we can do a, like, we'll do a backstage members-only thing.
		So we're creating more Discord engagement, more communal engagement, a special privy, like we have 100 people, 109 people watching.
		It's not like a big, super open thing.
		And bring all these things together because we're actively trying to figure out how to mitigate security issues, maximize efficiency, and maximize community engagement.
		So there you go.
		Let's see.
		Sometimes Discord doesn't search your name.
		Doc Bone says, Tim Cast has been a member since the beginning in a regular view since JR Reed.
		So glad I became a supporter of what you're doing for the culture and our nation.
		Well, I appreciate you guys as the Discord members.
		It's not possible without you.
		And I will stress this.
		If there's no Discord, there's no Timcast IRO.
		It's a fact.
		The Discord members are who are basically providing the necessary funding so that we can have this show exist.
		This is why so many shows on TV get canceled because they don't have a membership that subscribes.
		They usually have advertisers.
		Advertisers alone would not sustain Timcast IRO.
		So really great.
		Appreciate everybody who's watching.
		And that's why we want to do stuff like this.
		Looking through the live Discord, we got a couple more minutes left, and we're just going to grab your live questions.
		Double J says, like that dude that skated down the building for Red Bull.
		That was great.
		That was, was it Santa Santos?
		Are you sure that's his name?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was DeSilva.
unidentified		No, Richard Santos.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		George Santos?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		George?
unidentified		George?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You didn't tell us that last night.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		It's a man of many talents.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Got to get him on the congressional skate team.
unidentified		Well, yeah, he's mentor.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		He could be the coach.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he could be given some pep talks.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that'd be nice.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		At some point, they don't let you get within 500 feet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to look up right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll read this.
		What is the crew from Draco?
		What does the crew think of legislating AI?
		My thought is that it needs to be done now.
		I think they need to make it illegal to post AI material without a visible watermark and embedded watermark.
		It should be severe.
		Is that what you mean?
		For OP and minor for reposting.
unidentified		It was Sandra Diaz.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Diaz.
		There you go.
		Oh, everybody was wrong.
		I don't know.
		It was De Silva.
		He's a UFC guy.
unidentified		De Silva, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's the thing.
		I knew he was a Brazilian guy and I mixed him up.
		I agree with the AI thing.
		I don't know if the watermark thing will work.
		And you're going to get First Amendment arguments that we will lose because we are too literalist as a society.
		And we go, but free speech.
		So everyone's allowed to do whatever they want.
		And then society crumbles.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how we're going to legislate it effectively.
		We can try.
		We can try to put guardrails on it.
		But Phil, I think it was Phil has a really good point that this is like trying to legislate the car when it was displacing the horse and buggy.
		Right.
		Like this technology is here.
		People are embracing it overnight.
		Chat GPT has trumped Google as the top, or AI, I should say, is now being used as a search engine way more than Google.
		And I thought Google was untouchable.
		It's like there's never going to be anything that could take that beast down.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if we weren't able to stop gain of function research, we're definitely not going to be able to stop AI.
		Nick Land is a philosopher that I've done a lot of work on.
		He's suddenly become somewhat famous because Tucker Carlson had a guy on to call him a Satanist.
		But he has done quite a bit of work on artificial intelligence and whether or not we could or should contain it at all.
		So if people are interested in reading thought on that, it's not an easy read, but I think it is probably the most intelligent conversation having about we're having about artificial intelligence right now.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		I think the bigger focus should not be like how to legislate artificial intelligence, but to make sure it truly benefits the general public.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		No, that won't happen at all.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's how guardrails on it.
		So here's what artificial intelligence is going to do.
		It's going to train, it's not, it's people think about artificial intelligence as if the worry is that it will achieve this like, you know, super intelligence and it'll take over Skynet style.
		And that I'm not discounting that possibility.
		The real problem is that it's going to teach everyone to think like robots.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		Like I was a public school teacher until just a few years ago.
		I can already tell you that kids basically know nothing because of Google.
		They can't imagine getting information anywhere else.
		They can't imagine reasoning through something.
		Google just tells them what to believe.
		And if you don't think that artificial intelligence is just going to put us on like a bullet train to wherever that's going, then you're crazy.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		My point was largely for like economical reasons.
		So like call centers, I mean, they're in India anyway, but let's say there was American call centers or customer service help desk stuff, which will get replaced by AI as we free up that money that were jobs, as it replaces jobs.
		I just want to make sure the public sees that benefit.
		You know, when Tesla Optimus rolls out and you have the AI-powered robots doing your grocery shopping and they're working with another robot that's checking out, like those jobs are going to disappear and more jobs will be created.
		But that's, I think, the focus is like make sure AI benefits the middle class.
auron macintyre ▲ ● ▼		But it'll do exactly the opposite because ultimately the whole point of this stuff like is it's going to phase out all these jobs.
		And this is why people will talk about UBI or these other things to supplement it.
		But the problem is human beings were designed to work.
		Like actually, you can't just give people stuff and make them happy.
		You need purpose.
		You need toil.
		You need resistance.
		And like without that stuff, you're destroying the human being.
		So in a very important way, automating all these functions that we currently find in some way distressing will actually make us less human and will actually destroy our happiness.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am in favor of all this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And my final thoughts before we wrap up for the show, I will also stress I'm very excited to have a nice, beautiful sunset dinner with my wife and baby.
kellen leeson ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's what we're doing.
		That's why one of the reasons we're pre-recording, it's going to be fun.
		But I'm going to say this, conservatives rejoice.
		When we industrialized, conservatives kept working out.
		They understood that humans need to exercise and that work is a requirement for the human body.
		I believe that as we enter the AI, the industrialization of information, conservatives will still continue to work the mind, recognizing a healthy mind and body is a requirement.
		And I believe that their moral traditions and faith will keep them grounded and away from the temptations of masturbatory products like Neuralink, read-write technology, weird porn stuff.
		No one will be immune.
		No one will be perfect.
		But the liberals, they're already getting fat.
		Once we took away the requirement to do hard labor, you got a bunch of people who are like, I'm not going to do hard labor anymore.
		Now they're all sickly and dying.
		You add AI to the mix.
		They're going to become ignorant, stupid, and weak.
		But conservatives, I believe, will largely maintain the health requirements.
		That's why Maha is so popular.
		So the future may be going to be like the time traveler.
		You know, you're going to have the super intelligent.
		There's going to be a bunch of like, what's the right way?
		A bunch of just really strong ripped dudes who are really smart with big pulsing brains.
		And then a bunch of fat, jiggly things that are real dumb.
		I suppose.
		But my friends, thanks for hanging out.
		We're going to wrap up there.
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		We'll see how this show does.
		We'll see community response, those in the Discord.
		I recommend you go to Timcast.com, click join us, get in the Discord because unity is our strength.
		As we've already seen and you already heard, some people get married, making real unity.
		But when you have a community, when you have shared values, that is extremely hard to destroy.
		And that's why they want to divide and conquer.
		Diversity may be their strength, but unity is ours.
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		We'll see how things go.
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		Come hang out.
		We'll see you guys next week.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will see you all.
		I got some segments coming up in the weekend.
		We've got clips, of course, throughout the weekend.
		And Tate's actually doing some weekend interviews soon.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		Yeah, it's coming.
		Get ready for that.
		And also, yeah, shoot me a message next.
		Who do you want to see?
		Who do you want to see me interview?
		It's going to be, we'll crowdsource, see who you guys want to see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So there we go.

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