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Oct. 16, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Democrats Declare STATE OF EMERGENCY Over ICE Raids, DHS ATTACKED, CIVIL WAR | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Last night it was announced a state of emergency has been declared in Los Angeles County because of immigration raids.
Democrats are explicitly telling you when the federal government enforces the law, the people who duly elected Donald Trump, who has called on sworn law enforcement to enforce the law, when that happens, you're attacking them and they are in a state of emergency.
I don't know how more plainly they can tell you that you are their enemy.
Again, Los Angeles County has declared a state of emergency over standard law enforcement.
That's how crazy things are getting.
We'll talk about that.
And there's some arrests coming.
John Bolton apparently is facing criminal charges.
We'll talk about that.
And then NBC has cut a bunch of its woke verticals and laid off a bunch of its staff.
So I guess there's some positive news.
Trump, of course, just railing on the press over the weaponization of the DOJ by the Democrats.
And I just got, you know, I got a lot in my chest.
I don't know if you guys saw this other story that happened 10 days ago in Boston.
A roving band of about 100 young people, largely mostly young black men, targeted police, blew up a police cruiser, and rampaged through various neighborhoods.
And it's crazy that these stories just keep happening.
And this roving band of lunatics like attacking cops apparently was not even political.
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thomas renz
Glad to be here, Tim.
Thank you for having me.
tim pool
You want to pull that mic up a little bit?
thomas renz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, who are you?
What do you do?
thomas renz
I'm a nobody from Ohio.
I'm actually an attorney.
I'm known most for my fight against COVID.
When they locked us down, I stood up, I fought, and I'm now fighting against corruption.
I'm fighting for Maha, fighting for all these sorts of things, and kind of doing it everywhere, doing like you, trying to promote truth.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Brett Dasovic hanging up.
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Going out.
brett dasovic
What's going on, guys?
It's Brett.
Normally, we are doing Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3 p.m., but let's get into it today.
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I'm the creator of Freedom Tunes.
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tim pool
That was a definite improvement from yesterday.
Wow, Seamus.
phil labonte
He didn't want to get moved.
He didn't want to catch any flame from that.
brett dasovic
That was the opposite of the ham-fisted monument.
phil labonte
Tim gave him some amounts of crap last night if you missed it.
tim pool
I still think you need to add the if you see as I see and you would seek as I seek.
seamus coughlin
Listen, I'm just being sincere.
I think we need to build this.
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tim pool
Also, I want to stress YouTube is completely down now.
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Phil's hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil LeBonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the news from ABC: LA County declares state of emergency over immigration raids.
They say LA County officials voted on Tuesday to declare a state of emergency over ongoing federal immigration raids.
The proclamation gives the county the power to assist residents they say have been impacted financially by immigration and customs enforcement action.
The declaration was introduced by county supervisors Lindsey P. Horvath and Janice Hahn and passed by a four-to-one vote.
Now, what does this mean?
It means they're going to take your money and they're going to give it to illegal immigrants.
Quote, I'm not kidding.
What's happening in our communities is an emergency, and LA County is treating it like one.
Declaring a local emergency ensures the full weight of county government is aligned to support our immigrant communities who are being targeted by federal actions.
I would just like to stress to all of you, please understand in great detail what this means.
The governments of Los Angeles County, okay, when people refer to L.A. as a city, they got to understand.
LA City, really small.
The whole urban area is referred to as L.A. County.
Their government has just publicly declared, you are an enemy.
And when your law enforcement goes in to enforce the law enacted by Congress, it is an emergency because it is attacking their people, their community.
They are telling you outright, the people you seek to enforce your laws against, they are siding with them.
So these liberals, they come out and they say, these are our neighbors.
They should be allowed to stay.
Blah, blah, blah.
Let's just step back and approach this mathematically and logically.
We decide as a people in the United States, certain act is crime.
If you commit crime, we will arrest you.
LA County has publicly declared at the government level, they feel those who have committed the crime are deserving of money and protection.
And the fact that you would try to enforce your laws is an attack on them.
They are telling you they are the criminals.
I don't know where y'all think this goes, but I think you know where I think it goes.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, look, the fact that L.A. County is trying to essentially usurp powers that the federal government has, it can only lead to more conflict and more, you know, raising tensions.
People talk about they want to see the tensions brought down in this country, but every step that the state takes to interpose itself between the federal government in favor of illegal immigrants only raises the temperature.
That's all it can do.
seamus coughlin
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
thomas renz
No, listen, here's the deal.
Federal law is in charge, right?
It controls.
This is literally a county government aiding and abetting in a crime.
This is like a recon.
They're literally making themselves an illegitimate government.
This is 100% illegal.
What I hope to see from this is I want to see Pam Bondi come in and charge these guys immediately for aiding and abetting conspiracy.
There's a bunch of crimes here.
Put them in jail.
Put them in jail from top down.
And anyone in this county that supports this, throw them in jail too.
seamus coughlin
I completely agree with you.
I think that that has to happen, especially if you want this country to have a future.
Otherwise, we're setting the precedent that they're allowed to do this.
I mentioned this on the show the other day.
One thing people will tell you about parenting, for example, is either you're shaping your child or your child is shaping you.
Anytime you're in a position of authority over anyone and you allow them to usurp your authority and disobey you, what you're telling them is you're actually in charge.
And that's not what any of us agreed to with respect to the social contract that we're a part of in the United States of America.
So they're subverting all of our will.
They're subverting the democratic process, which put this administration in place because the American people wanted mass deportations.
And you're absolutely right.
They need to be put in jail.
My question for you is, what do you think the likelihood is that Bondi actually does something about this?
Because I'm a little bit jaded about certain members of this administration and their ability to pull through for us.
thomas renz
Man, I'm with you.
I'm with you, brother.
I mean, I've been very outspoken and very frustrated about this.
We're 10 months in and we've seen really almost nothing.
We see a Comey indictment, which unless they do something superseding in this is really a disaster.
There was no sedition charge.
There was no, I mean, there's so many charges that could have been brought that they kind of ignored on this.
To me, I haven't seen anything but impotence out of the Justice Department.
I'm sorry, I like Cash Patel.
Bondi, to me, you know, she's the bench.
We wanted Matt Gaetz, tried to get Matt Gaetz.
Congress wouldn't let us get Matt Gaetz.
So we get Bondi on there, and she's just not getting it done.
I don't, you know, I mean, I'm frustrated with it, so I'm not real hopeful, but these are lower levels.
tim pool
I would say I largely agree with you.
We talked about it a bit last night in the uncensored portion of the show.
Make sure you guys check that out at Rumble Premium, by the way, and join our Discord server.
But the point was that there are some things happening, like, you know, Letitia James is getting indicted and Comey, and now they're talking about John Bolton.
But what's frustrating me is that we continually have these federal judges exceeding their authority, and Trump goes, okay.
And the response we got from Peter Navarro was Trump's trying to play to public opinion.
I'm like, if that's the case, we lost.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Because what's happened now is a federal judge said of Illinois, Trump can federalize the National Guard but can't deploy them.
In what reality does it make sense that Trump can assume command of the National Guard, but can't actually tell them to walk somewhere?
And he's not telling the National Guard to go beat people.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So if Trump is going to say, here's a better example.
A judge ruled the barriers have to be removed from outside the ICE facility.
We just saw several terror attacks against ICE.
They shot at them while hiding in the woods.
ICE goes, okay.
seamus coughlin
Well, isn't saying Trump can assemble the National Guard, but he can't mobilize them the perfect epitome of what has been happening since 2016.
There's just a refusal to transfer power.
It's almost like when Trump is in office, the executive branch becomes like the monarch he is in England.
It's totally ceremonial and they do everything they can to block him from exercising any kind of power.
tim pool
And he says, okay.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
And the argument I'm told is he has to play to public opinion.
And I'm like, okay, we lost.
seamus coughlin
Then we lost.
We're doomed.
phil labonte
That's what Trump always does.
brett dasovic
And I've made that made that point several times is that I think a lot of people still want to live in that era where the Republicans try to play the bigger party and they want to look like they're being fair for the sake of being fair when everybody understands.
And look, I get the point of that argument because the idea is like, well, when the other, you know, when the Democrats come back in power, what we're going to see is them exert their authority over here.
Like they do that anyways.
And they're going to do that anyways.
So it doesn't really matter.
I get the point you're making is that you feel that the decorum in this country is gone, but the decorum in this country, at least as far as politics, has been gone for a very, very long time.
And it's now, you know, if you're a conservative, if you're a Republican, it's in the interests of your family and your friends to exert the power while you have it because there's nothing brave and there's nothing gracious about allowing yourself to be abused by someone for the sake of being the bigger person.
phil labonte
Republicans that are saying, oh, we have to bring back decorum.
That's like being like, we have to make our appendix important again.
thomas renz
They literally raided Melania's underwear drawer.
I mean, for God's sakes, you want decorum while they're raiding his.
I mean, they talk about the weaponized DOJ.
The weaponized DOJ occurred under Biden on levels I can't even tell you.
Do you know?
So I'll tell you guys, as an attorney, do you know that there are cases that I can't file?
Because if I file them, they're going to disbar me or put me in jail.
Look at the election attorneys that we had from the 2020 election.
You know, whether you like that or not, look at what happened to them.
Look at the guys who stood up on a number of these real controversial issues.
Look at what happened to them.
You know, when you get to the point that you can't ask questions and you can't challenge in the courtroom, when attorneys are censored from the cases they can bring, we're done.
And we need Trump to lead on this instead of following public opinion.
We need him to be the leader that we know he is.
I mean, we put him there because he punches people, because he fights, because he's MAGA.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's what we need.
That's exactly right.
And this is something Augustine said.
A man has as many masters as he does vices.
And I don't think anyone could disagree that Trump's vice is pride.
So even if he's not bought and paid for by these large lobbies, that vice controls him if he's too afraid to be on the other side of public opinion.
We all have to pray that he abandons this need for human respect that he has, because if he doesn't, they're going to take over this country.
He's not going to be able to stop them.
brett dasovic
That's why he still gives all the interviews to the mainstream press when he knows that they hate him.
phil labonte
He's always wanted people to like him.
That's all.
That's been his biggest Achilles heel.
He's always been the guy that will, that wants people to like him.
Now, sometimes that's a good thing because it makes him capable of working with people that he's had significant beef with, significant issues with.
And when it comes time to work together, he can actually leave those kind of personal things behind and then work on whatever problem's at hand.
And so that can be a positive.
But it also means that people are able to roll him at times.
People are able to get around, you know, get policy decisions or get him to do things that they want that are actually in conflict with things that not only he's promised, but what, you know, things that he was elected for.
Look, the immigration issue was, if it wasn't the top issue, it was one of the top issues.
Sending illegal immigrants back.
That was the first thing that he said in 2015 when he came down that golden escalator.
It was like, we've got, you know, they're not sending very, they're sending terrible people, blah, blah, blah.
And the left was up in arms about it.
How dare you say these things?
But that was what people really started to pay attention to him for.
And he was 100% right.
We have 20 million or so illegals that came in just during President Biden's administration.
These people need to go home.
So he needs to focus on the things that the promises that he made and make sure that he's doing what is necessary to keep those promises.
seamus coughlin
I totally agree.
And I think there's an argument to be made that even 20 million is a conservative number.
I wish Trump would focus more on demanding the respect of these people rather than focusing on being liked by them.
brett dasovic
The press or like the opposition.
seamus coughlin
The opposition.
They have to know that there's a line that they can't cross.
brett dasovic
I don't think that it's even possible.
I think they're too old.
seamus coughlin
But again, respect is not the same as liking.
Respect is saying, like, even if I don't like this person, if I mess with them, it's not going to go well for me.
And I think that's what he has to cultivate with these people.
tim pool
But he's not.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
I know.
phil labonte
Right.
seamus coughlin
I know he's not.
And that's what's unfortunate.
Trump, listen, you're a likable enough guy already.
You don't have to focus on trying to get these people to like you.
They're bad people.
tim pool
We keep hearing this argument, like even Elad made it the other day.
Like, when Democrats come back in power, they'll do bad things to you for the things you did.
And it's like, you don't understand?
They had a fake criminal charge against Donald Trump.
It doesn't get any worse.
Charlie Kirk is dead.
The guy who killed him had the same ideology as AOC.
She went on the House floor and she espoused the same ideology of the alleged assassin.
Aaron Danielson, the shooting of Aaron Danielson in Portland.
These people of this ideology have already murdered people and they arrested Trump's lawyers.
What more do people expect is going to happen?
Now they're declaring it an emergency.
When we elect a government, say, go enforce the law, they go, it's an emergency now and we're going to pull from the public coffers.
If Zo Ren Mamdani wins, it is going to escalate.
And one more point.
Sorry, Phil, one more point.
I made this mistake.
Many made the mistake.
Just let the socialists win.
Then they'll learn.
What happened?
Conservative-minded individuals fled these jurisdictions, entrenching the psychotic behavior of these people to the point where LA is declared a state of emergency because we want the law enforced.
And the only way I see to actually reconcile this at this point is Reconstruction-style politics.
So going in and taking over.
phil labonte
Two things to your point.
First of all, the United States is the last place to go.
So to your point, like when conservatives fled areas, like they fled two places and said, well, we're going to leave New York.
We're going to go, blah, blah, blah.
There is no place outside of the United States.
What do you mean?
Salvador.
I don't know about that.
I don't know if there's anything.
I don't know that going to El Salvador is actually the proper solution.
You're surrounded by Connie's down there, first of all.
But second of all, to your point about what happens after Donald Trump leaves office, there are already people talking about using the, I forget what the policy is called, but the way that Donald Trump has paid the military, right?
Because he recently passed some kind of some, what's it called?
tim pool
They pulled funds from somewhere else his name or something.
From tariffs, right?
phil labonte
Yeah, technically, that's illegal because of appropriations.
So there, and there's a guy named Bobby Kogan, who is the senior director for federal budget policy at American Progress.
Okay.
So he's already talking about how they can indict Donald Trump for this.
Now, I don't think this is a good idea, obviously.
I don't think the American people are going to like it either because they're literally they would be indicting him on an appropriations violation and they would be doing it because he paid the troops.
So it's terrible optics.
But the Democrats don't care.
They just want to put, they just want to put him in jail.
So they will actually use a law that was that was passed in 1808 and no one has ever gone to jail for this.
No one has ever been prosecuted.
No one has ever been arrested for this.
But they would use this because it has a five-year statute of limitation.
So it's after he gets out of office and they would try to put him in jail for this.
They're already planning how do we put Trump in jail.
If you think that they're not going to do this stuff after Donald Trump is out of office, you think they're going to stop?
Absolutely not.
And they're going to come after all sorts of conservatives.
They're going to go after Hegzeth.
They're going to go after all kinds of people in his cabinet and stuff.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from Zero Hedge.
All hell broke out in Boston as a police cruiser torched in premeditated attack on cops.
The president of Boston's Patrolman Association has responded to a violent mob of over 100 people as they unleashed chaos in Boston streets, torching a police cruiser and pelting officers with fireworks, cones, and poles in what witnesses called a riot-like assault on law enforcement.
Take a look at this.
This story is particularly crazy because this was not politically motivated violence.
This was barbarism.
Take a look at this video.
unidentified
A Boston police cruiser repeatedly hit with fireworks and set on fire.
Investigators say dozens of people were involved overnight in what they're calling a targeted attack.
Good evening, everyone.
I'm Ken McLeod.
Tonight, two people are in custody.
And as WBZ's Paul Burton shows us, this wasn't the only incident locally involving a large crowd attacking officers.
Mob of people here, like screaming, banging on the cop car.
tim pool
Gosh, he's laughing.
unidentified
Chaos erupts and people scatter in the streets of Boston as a police cruiser was destroyed by fireworks and what police describe as a large-scale vehicle takeover early Sunday morning.
Definitely unsettling to wake up in the middle of the night and see a cop car on fire outside your window.
These BU students took this cell phone video.
They live in the apartment above Mass Aven, Tremont Street.
I just saw their cop car on fire and then stuff was blowing up while they were putting it out.
Please.
tim pool
Now they're all smiling and laughing about it.
unidentified
They're responsible to reports of people gathered in cars to take part in the illegal street racing and tricks.
As officers approached the scene, they were making a lot of money.
tim pool
There's a bit more, but I think there's a couple points to be made in this.
The official reporting is that this roving band, this violent mob, moved around four different neighborhoods in what they called a coordinated premeditated attack on police.
One vehicle was blown up.
In the video, as we already pointed out, these women who are witnessing it are laughing about it.
They're smiling and like, wow, you know, look at this.
They really don't understand what this leads to and how bad it could get.
People don't get it.
So my point on this is it is particularly unnerving for me.
This story is actually from October 5th, but it's only gotten any national attention 10 days later or nine days later.
And what's worrying to me is over the past couple of weeks, I'm looking through the segments that I'm pulling up, and the escalation is getting terrifying.
CBP rammed in, DHS agents, I think it was CBP, rammed in Chicago.
When they pursued the guy who attacked them, they jumped out to flee and they got surrounded by a bunch of random people in the neighborhood and started throwing rocks at the cops.
The view that these cities have, LA declaring a state of emergency on law enforcement, is that they may as well be clowns at this point.
And now we're seeing roving bands.
I can't even call this a riot.
It's barbarism.
These people aren't doing it for any real reason other than it's funny to them and they laugh about it.
I am deeply concerned with the exponential growth curve over the past couple of weeks in this escalation.
Listen, it has been just over a month since Charlotte Kirk was assassinated.
And think about all the degrees of violence that we've already seen.
A terror attack on ICE, three instances where federal law enforcement were rammed in their vehicles in Chicago.
Now we're seeing this.
My fear is, as it was described by Eric Prince, gradually then suddenly, one day everything's normal.
The next day you wake up and the internet don't work.
The electricity is out.
I'm concerned we may be getting to that point where the conversation is had about what kind of precautions you need to take and when you need to actually let's just keep the language light here.
Enact any kind of plan that is like securing your family, moving to a new location, things like that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you mentioned something here about the fact that this wasn't politically motivated as far as we know.
And that appears to be the case.
But one thing that's important to remember is that it's still directly tied to politics because soft on crime policies, a failure to respect police from elected officials who go out and trash them when they're trying to maintain public order against rioters.
That kind of rhetoric and this kind of weak law enforcement and a failure of our elected officials to support law enforcement is why this kind of thing is able to happen.
thomas renz
So Tim, this goes straight to what you were just talking about, right?
This comes down to lack of enforcement of the law.
We're letting things go.
Nobody's pushing the law and it has to start stopping from the top down.
The DOGJ needs to go after people at the top.
I got, I just posted right before the show on my Twitter feed, I got this thing sent to me from moveon.org.
Moveon.org's out there promoting and asking for money for this No Kings protest coming up.
I mean, I'm scared to death of this protest.
Is this going to be another peaceful protest like we keep seeing?
Now, moveon.org is organizing, raising money for this.
Now, if I can sitting here in your studio, get that, post it, put it up there, why can't the DOJ say, hey, maybe we need to investigate moveon.org for, you know, are they funding this?
Are they supporting this?
Why can't they go online and find the 50 different groups that are supporting this?
And why aren't the people who are doing it being investigated and put in jail?
tim pool
We just had a culture war live at the Comedy Loft in D.C. scheduled for this weekend.
We've moved it one month up because of the No Kings protest.
The security requirement for having this event in D.C. was exorbitant and impossible to permit.
So let me put it this way.
If we're going to get like me, Alex Stein, the liberals would be fine, but Emily Saves America.
If we're going to be at this venue and it's publicly known and advertised, and you've got these antifa terrorists from across the country descending on D.C., they are absolutely going to make a plan to attack and disrupt this venue.
And so what would we have to do?
We'd have to get permits to block off the street to be able to get us in and out during this.
It's never going to happen.
So we were like, let's just move the event and we'll have it in November instead.
seamus coughlin
Which is literally what the terrorists want, by the way, right?
I mean, that's true.
That's why these kinds of attacks happen is because they want to make it impossible for you and other people to do events like this.
brett dasovic
And even if you're willing to do so to make it so financially costly to be able to do it.
tim pool
Yep.
There is a reality to how long we can do this show with the exponential increase in violence, lawlessness, death threats, et cetera.
So I don't know where that threshold is.
The death threats that we've received over the past month or so have resulted in probably the most extreme reaction we've ever had to have.
I had to literally—I have been in contact with the FBI with the swattings.
That was child's play compared to what's going on right now.
As you saw, Benny Johnson was at a press conference with the DOJ over the threats to his family.
Since the killing of Charlie Kirk, this has been a green light.
And we have seen a dramatic escalation in threats.
And our security team's assessments are that there is real movement happening among far-left groups to exacerbate and escalate.
And we're witnessing it.
We're watching it on the ground in Chicago when they attack law enforcement, when the judges rule that federal law enforcement aren't allowed to protect themselves.
It is coordinated and it is getting crazier.
In fact, we have another story we'll pull up in a little bit.
A judge just extended the ruling.
Trump cannot deploy National Guard.
They are outright telling us those that do not align with us will be barred from protecting themselves.
thomas renz
Well, there's no question.
Tim, going back to COVID, you know, so I was doing a lot of work on the COVID stuff, right?
I had a guy follow me from my house to the gym, knock on the window of my car, hand me a packet, make some threats and leave, right?
Now, I mean, for COVID guy, right?
I'm not overly intimidated by people, but here's the deal.
tim pool
Like 12 feet tall, you know.
thomas renz
Yeah, I'm kind of an ogre, right?
But a little bit of Shrek in me.
But listen, here's the deal.
They know where my family lives.
They made that clear.
They know where I work out.
They made that clear.
I mean, this is craziness.
This isn't the kind of thing we should be having happening here.
But we can't negotiate with these people.
There are a lot of people in this country we need to do like Charlie Kirk did and talk to.
But the problem is not the people that we can talk to.
The problem is the people that want to kill us, that want to hurt us, that want to push violence, who are willing to do whatever is necessary.
Those people you can't negotiate with, you have to defeat.
And that's what we need from the president.
We need to go after the people who are funding them.
You remember Tesla?
Remember when we're going after the guys that are keying the Tesla cars?
I said back then, why the hell aren't we going after the guys who are paying for the guys to key the Tesla cars?
We got to go after the heads of the snakes.
I know who they are.
tim pool
I think the people keying the Teslas were just random people doing it.
I don't think anyone was paid to do it.
But the issue is, does everybody remember that earlier in this year we had, I think, like 70 some odd terror attacks?
A woman driving a Tesla had someone speed in front of her and slam his brakes on and get out of the car and start screaming at her in the Pacific Northwest.
There were people who went to Tesla dealerships and unloaded rifles into the building and vehicles.
thomas renz
Yeah.
Well, and that's what I'm saying.
You're right.
tim pool
Let me rephrase.
This is outright bleeding Kansas.
thomas renz
These people weren't being paid to do it, but the people who were funding the messaging, the people who are manipulating these low-level thugs to do stupid things, those are the people that need to be charged.
RICO charges.
RICO is one of the most powerful laws in the country.
tim pool
You're talking about war powers.
You're talking about wartime actions because in a contemporary modern liberal democracy that described the United States, we have free speech.
And so if someone were to say something like, I think Tesla is evil and should be destroyed, that's considered free speech.
There's no imminent threat.
What we know now is that this is what I call the tweedle de-tweedledum death threat, where there's two people on a street corner and one guy screams, someone needs to murder fascists, which is a generic statement.
Then the guy next to him points at Seamus and says, there's a fascist.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
So neither of them can be charged because what they said was individually free speech.
But we know that in coordination, they are telling people to go murder.
We're at the point now where if we don't recognize that, we lose.
And I'll add on top of what you're saying, what scares me.
This may be, I don't know if the Republicans, Trump and his admin, are taking action as it pertains to voting to ensure that there is a legitimate voting process, knocking out ballot harvesting and other illicit voting practices.
But if the Republicans do not win, we are cooked.
And based on right now, we are seeing prominent middle-of-the-road individuals who supported Trump now walking back their support and moving to the left out of fear because the left will murder you and the right will not.
That degree of fear has strong men dropping to their knees.
And if that happens, the left wins.
brett dasovic
I think the scariest part about that, I was thinking of Theo Vaughn when you mentioned that, when he walked back, the comments that were made when the DHS or whoever it was released the video about immigration and deportation.
And he said, please don't leave me out of this.
I don't want to be threatened.
I don't want to die.
tim pool
It might kill me.
brett dasovic
They'll kill me.
And the point is, is like the scariest part about all of that, it's kind of a weird thing to think existentially.
It's like, not only will they kill you, but you're going to die and the media is going to frame you as evil.
So you don't even get to die some sort of good death.
You'll die in the face of the general public as some type of evil fascist, despite the fact that it doesn't describe you in any way, shape, or form.
And I think that might be the scariest part for a lot of that.
Is if you were in a free press with journalists who are willing to openly look at both sides of the aisle and report honestly, you could take the idea to the public that this is what I mean.
This is what I mean in my heart.
And maybe the message gets out there that when something bad happens to you, you'll be framed in a way that is in line with reality.
But you can't even, you can't even bank on that anymore.
So what person wants to go to war for something where they're just, you know, they say the, you know, the victor, you know, whoever wins the war is the one who decides who was good and who was evil.
So people don't even want to do it anymore because they don't feel like they're going to have any way of being seen as the decent person that they feel they are.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
phil labonte
That's called demoralization.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
That's absolutely right.
And the good news is you can actually cultivate a relationship where it becomes far more difficult to demoralize you.
If your audience is God and you're trying to be in his good graces and friendship, it doesn't matter if people say bad things about you after you're dead.
That can't hurt you.
The reality is these people are going to say that any conservative who is legitimately martyred for their cause was a Nazi, was a fascist.
They'll say the same thing about the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
And they'll even say the same thing if there's, heaven forbid, a successful assassination attempt on him in the future.
That's why it's so important for him to not care about what these people think.
And I just want to mention, Trump has been making some noises recently along the lines of what I'm saying.
He's been making statements like, I don't know if I'm going to get into heaven and I'm trying to get into heaven, but I don't know.
I mean, that's got to be, and I'm encouraged to hear that because that's got to be his focus is getting to heaven.
I'm not whether these people like him.
tim pool
I'd rather, he was on the plane on Air Force One and he was asked by a reporter and he said, you know, I don't think there's anything I can do.
I would have rather he just screamed, Davis Walton, grabbed the camera and smashed it.
I would have been like, yeah.
We're getting to a crazy.
Let me pull.
I'm joking, by the way.
Let's pull up this story from CNN.
Federal judge extends temporary orders barring Trump administration from deploying National Guard to Portland.
This story breaking from CNN.
The ruling by the Trump-appointed judge blocks the federal troops from deploying to Portland for another 14 days.
The orders were originally set to expire this weekend.
By extending the temporary orders, Immigrant allowed the court and appeals judges time to fully consider the case as a Trump admin remains blocked from deploying federalized troops.
The case is expected to go to trial on October 29th.
Now, I want to chill a little bit.
I think there's a couple strategies here.
Trump doesn't want to play the Insurrection Act card unless he absolutely has to.
At the same time, riots disappear in winter.
I think a lot of people were like, we were told to wait till summer.
Now wait till winter.
That was one of the comments we got in the chat.
I'm like, no, no, no, hold on.
We are getting the arrests.
We got Letitia James, we got Comey.
They're saying that Bolton's going to get arrested next.
So that movement is happening.
Bannon predicted that.
It has begun to happen.
We're now moving into the fall.
However, the mass deportations have been happening the whole time.
The issue, however, is national law enforcement.
That's going to a federal law enforcement, they'll go in and assist is being blocked.
When it starts getting cold, mid-November, these people will stop showing up because they are fair weather activists.
Some may still.
I believe that federal law enforcement are going to go out in their winter gear and they are going to keep enforcing the law.
Now, in places like, you know, maybe Arizona, Colorado, not so much Colorado is elevated, but Arizona and California, you may still see activists.
I don't know about Miami.
Miami's turned red.
I think that Trump's strategy may be, let's wait to see what happens in the winter.
If these people are all gone, we don't need to send in the troops.
We will be able to handle these deportations and we can reprioritize federal law enforcement towards mass deportation instead of protecting facilities.
If that doesn't work, I think then he goes full insurrection act.
thomas renz
I hope we don't have to go full insurrection act.
I really do because, I mean, we're talking about some serious, serious challenges to our civil liberties.
But I get it.
We're there.
But there's kind of two arguments here.
And I'm just curious what everybody thinks on this because on one side, I hear the, you know, we got a plan, we got a plan, we got a plan.
On the other side, I see very little movement, but I'm starting to see some movement, like you said, Tim.
The movement we're seeing, though, the question I have, was it part of a plan or is it because we're starting to speak out more?
The mega base is really getting frustrated about the lack of movement.
They're speaking out more.
So are we the cause or is it the, you know, cause or effect?
What's going on here?
At the end of the day, all I know is that we don't have much time because if we lose the midterms, Trump's going to get impeached.
We're going to be done.
And we don't have until the four years are up.
We have until midterms.
If the Democrats control the House and the Senate or the House or the Senate, nothing else is getting done.
We're done at that point.
So we don't have much time.
And at this point, we've seen the Republicans aren't doing anything in Congress.
The only room we've got, the only space that we have to really, really get a check made on this is the DOJ putting big shots in jail.
And it's just so slow.
And I'm telling you as an attorney, and you can say, okay, Rens, you're not as good of an attorney as Bonnie.
tim pool
Fine.
thomas renz
Maybe I'm not.
But you don't have to be that good of an attorney to be able to see, hey, you know, 10 months with the resources of DOJ, they can put how many Jay Sixers in jail, but they can't do a real investigation into George Soros or Arabella.
They can't do a real investigation into whether, you know, Nancy Pelosi was really on.
tim pool
Why aren't they arresting Schumer?
He said people should forcefully rise up against Trump.
That's an incitement to violence.
seamus coughlin
It's very clear.
Why isn't Girlboss super lawyer doing any of this?
thomas renz
You got me.
tim pool
You think it's because she's too busy doing her makeup?
thomas renz
I don't know.
tim pool
I mean, women spend a lot of time doing their makeup.
Maybe it's like she only got so many hours in the day.
seamus coughlin
But I mean, it is, it's jarring.
It's disheartening.
It's demoralizing to use the term Phil used earlier.
She has to do something.
We need to see more indictments.
tim pool
Is it kind of his locker room talk that he made fun of women for putting on makeup, taking too long to do so?
seamus coughlin
I think it's right on the line of locker room talk.
phil labonte
Christy Noom is right outside of the locker room.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
brett dasovic
Christy Noam joins her just before she does one of her press conferences.
phil labonte
Christy Noam is hilarious.
brett dasovic
But the other problem with that is public perception also matters.
And one of the things is, is when they arrest Donald Trump, when they arrest Republicans, when they arrest Jay Sixers, they're seen, at least in the eyes of the mainstream media, which is then projected out to half the country, that they're doing the Lord's work.
They are enacting the law.
They're making sure that they keep us safe.
But anytime anybody in a Republican government actually goes after people that are committing crimes, it's seen as locking up your political opponents.
And that's just framed in a way that gives it, it gives them a lot harder time getting through to people who might not actually be on their side to begin with.
thomas renz
Yeah, but in fairness, this podcast gets better ratings than CNN.
It's exactly a counterpoint now.
Thank God.
I mean, thank God for what's occurring with that.
And thank God that the censorship is getting less.
But there is a counterpoint now.
We've got a new media that's actually far better than anything we used to have.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
I mean, my response to what you were saying, Brett, is similar to what you said.
Thank goodness the legacy media is dying.
They don't have as much power to shape these narratives anymore.
phil labonte
Look, this is all true, but it's also part of why the United States is becoming more and more bifurcated and more, you know, people in their own bubble.
People don't see other information or information from opposing views.
And that's actually part of the problem.
brett dasovic
Yeah.
It's why during the time when Jimmy Kimmel gets his two-day suspension and Jane Fonda relaunches the Committee on the First Amendment, we have people talking about free speech and the death of free speech.
At the same time, people in new media are talking about Google and in the Biden administration putting through orders to YouTube to censor people because of COVID.
It's like you are living in a completely different world than your neighbor.
And I don't know if there is a way back for something like that.
Not with as bad as it's gotten.
phil labonte
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
You have to have shared narratives.
thomas renz
Sorry, go ahead.
No, well, I'm the poster boy for censorship during COVID.
I mean, literally, we broke everything starting out in COVID and we couldn't get it out anywhere.
But, you know, despite that, I couldn't be more, I don't want my point to be drowning out other people.
I want everybody to be able to speak.
One of the problems we're seeing, though, now is with the new media.
And I love what Musk is doing, but let's look at the algorithm, right?
When I log on to X, I see me, I see 5 million people who agree with me.
I don't get to see, and, you know, the Krassenstein brothers don't see what I post.
I don't see what they post, right?
It's really kind of become an echo chamber.
I think that's contributing very much to the kind of, you know, because when we talk, listen, certain things are just inarguable, right?
There's certain things that are just facts.
If we could at least come together on the things that are actually factually correct, we can argue how to deal with it.
tim pool
You can't.
How can you say that liberals intentionally lie?
They know they're lying.
seamus coughlin
With people who think men can get pregnant, you know, how do you actually get a fundamental level?
tim pool
I agree with you on that, but there's a difference between will and retardation.
And so I mean the people who are literally, and I don't mean this derisively, YouTube, the people who are genuinely cognitively impaired, who think men can get pregnant, versus the liberals like the Krasensteins, who make the argument Trump is a felon, despite the fact if you go on any AI and ask what happened with the felony case with Trump,
it will tell you in an unprecedented first time in U.S. history fashion, prosecutors charge someone with felonies requiring an underlying crime without having proven this crime.
It's never happened before that someone has been convicted of a felony without proving the crime behind that felony.
Never happened.
And I don't care if you like Trump or don't like Trump.
You know, so I get into this space because I was a fairly liberal guy and the media lied.
And I said, well, hold on a minute.
That's not true.
Trump never said Nazis are fine people.
The response that I get, why are you defending Trump?
I'm not defending Trump.
I'm calling the media for lying.
And to this day, there are still people who don't know that Trump never said that.
So now you have the felony case where you get people like the Krasensteins who will go on X and they'll say Trump's a felon.
You know, they know.
There's no way you can be these guys online 24-7 and believe they did not just read one article about what is unprecedented.
Even if they disagree with the outcome, they know it is in contention and it's an appeal, but they'll lie anyway.
Take a look at the shutdown argument.
Democrats are going on CNN and saying, We don't want to give healthcare to illegal immigrants because they just changed their definition of illegal immigrant.
unidentified
That's right.
Yeah.
brett dasovic
That was the very first article you read: they talked about the immigrants, our neighbors.
But that's not who they're going after.
They're going after illegal immigrants, which is why we made the point.
I don't remember if it was IRL last Wednesday, said that is an abuse of language that's been going on for decades.
What used to be illegal alien became illegal immigrant, which became undocumented immigrant, which became just immigrant.
And it's been the same thing the entire time.
It's somebody that is not here legally who has committed a crime.
But the point is, the language has been used, first of all, to abuse the goodwill of people who don't pay close enough attention to these things to understand the difference.
But for the people who are actually evil, it's done as a way to further their agenda without seeming to do so.
tim pool
I got to be honest.
Look, during Occupy Wall Street, I had a conversation with a bunch of these activists, and they were like, We're going to go march down the street, and that's going to change the game.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And I said, No, it's not.
And then I said, Here's an analogy I'd like to use: there are warring feudal tribes of Japan, and one group sends their samurai to the gates of the other feudal lord, and they're banging on the gate, being like, Let us in because we want words with you.
And they're sitting in there and they're fortified, and they're fortress going, like, we ain't opening that gate.
Meanwhile, the other side sends ninja dressed like maidens, carrying food and water.
They open the gate and say, Come on in.
The maidens walk up to the king, knife him in the neck, and run out the window, jump out the window, run away.
I said, If you keep trying to face this head-on, knocking on the door and saying, We challenge you to a duel, while they're sending in spies for sabotage and subterfuge, you lose.
The point I'm making now is: Republicans keep saying, We need to, you know, oh no, a judge said Trump can't control the military, despite the fact that he literally can.
And Trump is going, rats.
I'm sitting here being like, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
A judge has no authority to tell Trump he can't deploy the military.
So why should Trump have to abide by an unconstitutional ruling?
But let's flip it.
Why is it that Trump will not take the same or commensurate unconstitutional actions these judges will?
Why is that every time a judge does something unconstitutional, Trump goes, rats?
What if it was flipped?
Well, it was.
During the Biden administration, they arrested Trump's lawyers, unconstitutional.
And Trump and everybody went along with it.
You know what I said?
I said when they first indicted Trump, he should have flown to Mar-a-Lago and he should have said, come and get me.
seamus coughlin
I remember that.
tim pool
Come down here.
And then I want Ron DeSantis to tell his state troopers to assist the feds who are going to arrest me, take me from my home.
He should have said, I will not go to New York to answer this indictment.
New York must send troops here.
And if they come to my door and show me the indictment, I will gladly go back to New York to answer for this.
And DeSantis will then have to allow it to happen in his state.
Instead, Trump said, Okay, I'm going to go fly to New York, knowing full well it was wrong.
Same thing with Atlanta in Georgia.
And they arrested Jenna Ellis, who turned out to be a coward, by the way, who dropped to her knees and begged for forgiveness saying, Please don't hurt me.
But this is what we are dealing with right now.
What would happen if Trump simply said, the judge's ruling is purely unconstitutional, and I will not abide by the judiciary acting outside of the Constitution.
The president has final authority over the National Guard.
They have agreed I can federalize.
Thus I have command.
I will deploy them to go protect a federal building.
This is not in violation of positamitadas.
Trump won't do it.
He's just saying, okay.
thomas renz
Well, he's been told he has to, but here's the thing: there's historical precedent for it.
There has been times, you know, some of the separation of power, some of the immunity, some of the things that the president, the powers that the president enjoy, they enjoy now, because there were a couple times in the past where the president told the judicial branch to pound sand.
At the end of the day, the president is the commander-in-chief of the military, period.
The judicial branch is not.
You can read it.
It's the plain language of the Constitution.
But we've got to ask ourselves, who keeps telling Trump to stand down?
I mean, Trump, if we look at Trump historically, the thing we loved about him most was he's a fighter.
Why is he walking around like he's a wuss right now?
tim pool
Well, the argument may be that he wants to put more of the PR on the Supreme Court.
So with these actions, he can say, look, we have always abided by the judges.
The problem is the corporate press, no matter what Trump does, lies about it.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
But here's the point.
ABC 7 Chicago outright said Trump is defying court orders because the feds are because they're using tear gas.
It doesn't matter what Trump does.
It's wrong.
Even if Trump literally says, I love the left and trans kids, and we're going to tax the rich, they would alter his statements out of context and then accuse him of trying to murder people.
thomas renz
So quit bothering.
Why try?
Quit trying.
Just win.
We elected you to win.
That's what we want.
I don't want Pam Bondi to tell me why she hasn't filed a case.
I don't want more meetings with Anthony Borla and Bill Gates.
I don't want Mark Zuckerberg in the White House.
I want you to win.
I want to see people in jail.
I want you to be the leader you are.
That's what I want.
That's what we voted for.
tim pool
Let's jump.
You want to make one point?
phil labonte
I just don't think that that's Trump.
As much as there are people that are like, oh, I love Trump and he's the guy and blah, blah, blah.
I don't think that's Trump.
He just, we've seen this.
You know, we saw this in his first administration, and we're seeing it now.
I don't think that he has the intestinal fortitude to actually do the things that we're talking about.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from NPR analyzing Dominion voting system sale to firm run by ex-Republican elections official.
We had talked about this a little bit.
We didn't get into it when the news broke because I don't think much of it.
But liberals are framing this as though Republicans have purchased Dominion so they can rig the elections in 2026 and 28.
seamus coughlin
But that's impossible.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
It's not possible at all.
Dominion couldn't possibly rig the elections, right?
brett dasovic
That's what I've been told.
tim pool
Now, do y'all believe Dominion has the capability to rig an election?
seamus coughlin
Well, I know for a fact that they can't because I was repeatedly told that they can't by legacy media.
tim pool
And this is a real question now.
We're past the joke, Seamus.
You funny man.
seamus coughlin
I think I'm being sincere.
I trust the mainstream.
I don't know why you would assume that I was being cheeky.
No, I actually do think it's telling that when someone says they trust legacy media, it's like, okay, be serious.
I don't.
But I, yeah, I mean, listen, I don't know how you could possibly make the argument that if you have an entire infrastructure set up for allowing people to vote digitally, that the people in control of that infrastructure are going to be totally incapable of ever changing any ballots.
Maybe I just don't know enough about the technology, but it seems like it's stretched to say that's not possible.
tim pool
I have an idea for a poll for the audience.
If you believe Dominion can manipulate elections, super chat us $10.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
Do it anyway.
I believe that Dominion voting systems, through their voting systems, one could rig an election.
I'm not saying that Dominion as a company has done it or would do it, but clearly with such massive voting infrastructure, if someone found a means to remotely access these systems, of course you can.
Liberals are now concerned that Republicans will do just that.
I'm sitting here thinking, like, Okay, like what is the reality that a former Republican elections official bought Dominion so that they could they've routed the deep state, they've attacked their financial financial infrastructure, and now they've purchased Dominion so they'll never lose again.
I can't say that I'm gonna go to paper ballots.
seamus coughlin
I just act one quick point about this, though, because not knowing who this ex-Republican is, we saw a lot of backstabbers in the Republican Party, the legacy Republicans, the neocons, say Kamala Harris is actually the most qualifying candidate and the best choice for this nation.
unidentified
Ridiculous.
seamus coughlin
So when we hear that it's an ex-Republican, I actually don't know what that means.
brett dasovic
The Lincoln Project Republicans.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
brett dasovic
Like, it's time to go to paper ballots.
I think that the left can now agree with us on that, that the safest election will be one where you have to go in person and vote on a little piece of paper.
phil labonte
Yeah, I said that I saw some crazy leftist on TikTok was talking about this, and I saw the video.
And that's my initial reaction as well.
If they're concerned, then we should go to single day voting on paper.
That's it.
One day on paper, Florida knows how to do it.
They end up in Florida, they end up with the election results, with their results within an hour or so after the close of the polls.
They did this because of the absolute S show that happened in the year 2000 with the whole hanging chads and stuff.
They overhauled their whole system.
The rest of the country has a blueprint that they have offered to give to them, to every other state.
Every other state has a blueprint of what actually works, and other states have refused because they like the fact that it's a mess.
tim pool
But gentlemen, to the question, how do you feel, were the scenario, how would you feel, were the scenario to be Republicans literally bought Dominion and will rig the election in Republicans' favor?
thomas renz
I'd want the Republicans in jail just like I'd want the Democrats in jail.
I want anybody who's screwing with my election in jail.
I want a fair and honest election, and I don't care how we get there.
tim pool
So you would prefer Democrats to be in charge fairly than for Republicans to win by illicit means?
thomas renz
As long as I had the fair opportunity for we the people to rise up then, right?
So, I mean, at the end of the day, we're a nation governed by law and ideals, and I want to get back to truth.
Tim, you said, you know, just in prep for the show, you talked about your appreciation, your desire to get to truth.
This is about truth.
I don't believe if we get the truth out there, that American people are going to in any way, shape, or form, support the absolute insanity we have here.
tim pool
I honestly, I'm not speaking to you, but I think to the generality, most people would prefer to win the election illicitly than lose to their ideological enemies fairly.
And people might try to claim otherwise, but they typically only do that when they feel like they are actually winning.
So in the United States, when we have a relatively homogenous culture with minor disagreements, like if you go back to the 90s, people are going to be like, no, no, let's have a fair election because the stakes were minimal.
If Democrats won, taxes might go up a little bit in some areas, certain benefits would be received in blue states, and people got mad about it.
Today, we are talking about if Democrats win, they will let another 20 million illegal immigrants into this country.
They will completely destroy the fabric of American tradition, and they will likely jail Trump, his administration.
They will hunt down people who supported Trump and put them in solitary confinement like they already did.
They'll arrest opposition media and journalists.
And so if you're asking me personally how I feel about the idea, I'll put it like this.
My personal feeling is that if Democrats win, they will try to put me in prison.
If Republicans win, I'm going to be okay.
I'd rather not go to prison on false grounds and be tortured by political psychopaths and communist BS.
So for the layman, for the average person, the question is, would you prefer people fairly, let's put it this way, let's just ignore Dominion and all this argument, and I'll ask you this question.
Would you be okay living in a country that voted in a communist dictatorship?
thomas renz
No.
tim pool
Would you do anything to stop the communist dictatorship from taking over?
thomas renz
Well, I wouldn't lower myself to becoming a part of the communist dictatorship.
And if I vote to implement a communist dictatorship on my side, I'm no better than the other side of the money.
tim pool
You're not bringing in a communist dictatorship.
Like, was Franco bringing in a communist dictatorship?
thomas renz
Well, listen, if I'm voting to put Republicans in illicitly and they give me the illusion of freedom, am I really free?
tim pool
No one ever said that.
thomas renz
That's what I think we're looking at, though.
tim pool
We're saying that there are individuals who believe in a constitutional republic of America, but know that the system created by Democrats over the past 10 years has weighed it in favor of a communist dictatorship that you will never escape.
You have the opportunity to, by force, stop that from happening.
Would you choose to allow the communist dictator to take over, or would you stand with the constitutional republicanists to prevent it from happening?
thomas renz
I don't think that we're standing with the constitutional republicanists.
I don't think we're doing it.
I don't think that's the same.
That's what I'm going to answer the question.
tim pool
I asked, would you stand with a constitutional republicanist to stop by force a communist dictator?
thomas renz
By force, yes.
tim pool
And so the force here is coercive.
thomas renz
So the force, if the force is an outright revolution, I would stand for a revolution.
tim pool
So, but again, the question is, you have the ability to use coercive force to prevent a communist dictator from taking over your country.
Would you do it?
thomas renz
As long as we're honest about what we're doing.
tim pool
Well, that's not coercive force.
thomas renz
Well, if we're practicing the same thing that the Democrats are doing, how are we any better?
tim pool
So we don't sterilize children, substantially less likely to abort them before they're born.
We don't try to imprison our political opponents.
thomas renz
Do you trust?
tim pool
We don't put people—I mean, the list, we don't create false felony charges.
We don't falsely accuse people of rape.
The list goes on of the things we do not do.
And so, again, the question that I'm bringing up is, would a group of people say, well, they outvoted us.
I guess communists have taken over and I'm going to die.
Or would you be like, I will do anything to not die?
And I don't think it's reasonable to agree that the average person would just be like, hey, look, the communists have taken over and they're coming to kill me.
No, what happens is you get partisan violence in every single circumstance in every facet of history.
thomas renz
Agreed.
tim pool
So again, actually, when throwing to the Spanish Civil War, basically the nationalists won an election and then did not stop the communists.
And so what happened?
Several years later, the communists took back political power and immediately began running roughshod over the country.
seamus coughlin
Killing priests and nuns and children.
Oh, yeah, nuns' bodies and putting them on display.
tim pool
And that's when Franco, who was stationed in Morocco, was like, guys, if we let this keep happening, like we are going to die.
And also he sailed up back to Spain, rallied a bunch of guys.
They found out what he was doing, attacked, boom, all of a sudden, civil war broke out.
It wasn't a declaration.
It was pockets forming throughout the country that sided with Franco's coalition.
seamus coughlin
Well, there's another important point with that entire situation, too, that a lot of people don't touch on, was that the communist Spanish government or the attempted communist Spanish government was essentially just a vassal state of the USSR.
They sent something like 70% of Spain's gold reserves to the Russians.
tim pool
Right.
And one of the concerns of the nationalists was that the communists were actually in control.
I'm sorry, the Soviets were in control of the communist faction in Spain and that they were about to become a vassal, as you're saying, of the Soviet, of the Soviet Union.
seamus coughlin
And how many millions would have died if that had happened?
tim pool
I'll just put it like this.
There is a fine line.
I think most people in this country are ignorant of moral philosophy.
I think that, you know, I've had so many conversations with conservatives who are like, we believe in the Constitution, ignoring the fact that they don't.
They literally don't.
Nobody believes in the Constitution.
It's a lie.
And I know there's going to be people who are going to say, I do, but I'm going to make the point again.
Seamus, question.
Do you think blasphemy should be illegal?
seamus coughlin
I think that the church says you can allow tolerations for horrible things if you would incur a greater evil by policing them.
So right now in the United States, if you like locked people up for blasphemy, that would be a disaster.
You couldn't do that.
But in a small Catholic country, of course, blasphemy shouldn't be.
tim pool
Blasphemy was illegal when this country was founded.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and porn was illegal too.
tim pool
And so was swearing in public.
Yes.
And you had to profess faith in a Protestant God in most states in order to hold office.
Maryland was the exception because they were Catholic and Virginia because Jefferson was deist.
You still had to profess a faith in God, however.
This was in every constitution of the founding colonies, founding states.
Today, it's a dramatically different country where even devout Seamus himself says we must tolerate a degree of blasphemy.
seamus coughlin
Well, no, that's actually not my argument.
I mean, this is a Thomistic argument.
Aquinas has said that there are certain evils that if you would incur greater evil by policing them, you don't police it.
So this is not because I'm a modern American.
This is like a medieval.
tim pool
It doesn't matter what you are.
Your view of the Constitution is at odds with the Founding Fathers.
That's my point.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah, you're right.
That my view of the Constitution might be at odds with the Founding Fathers.
Yeah, yeah.
There could be ways in which.
tim pool
But literally it is.
The right to keep in bear arms at the federal level did not pertain to state law.
So when they said you have a right to keep in bear arms, they were saying this federal constitution bars the federal government from stopping it.
States can ban guns all they want.
And many of them did in various ways.
thomas renz
Well, then we had the 14th Amendment, which I would argue.
But listen, I'm going to tell you, Tim, I respectfully, and I mean this with respect because I'll be in jail next to you, right?
If this was to go down, I will be in jail right next to you very quickly.
I will tell you this.
When I went through the fight with COVID, it damaged my family.
I lost my money.
I lost almost everything you can lose.
I've put it out there.
I've been willing to lose it.
I'll lose it again before I'll sell out.
The one thing that I've got and the one thing that distinguishes me from some of the leftists that I've spent the last five and a half years fighting nonstop is that I will not sell out from my principles.
Now, maybe, maybe they're at odds from the founding.
Maybe they're not.
I'm sure that they're imperfect.
tim pool
What does that mean?
thomas renz
But what it means is, no, I will not support the Republicans doing the same thing that the Democrats are doing because power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
And I have absolutely no reason to believe that if we gave the Republican Party, who is full of rhinos, full of sellouts, and we just talked about Donald Trump, you know, trying to please everybody, I have no reason on this planet to believe that they would be any better if we gave them absolute power.
So I will agree to the fact that.
tim pool
And that's not my question.
My question is, moral philosophy.
Would you use coercive force to defend your worldview from a communist authoritarian?
Not.
Would you side with specific American political faction?
I don't care about the Republicans.
I'm saying, would you personally choose to use manipulative, coercive force to prevent a communist dictator from coming into power and murdering people and kidnapping people and gulagging people?
thomas renz
So long as I didn't have to become that, as long as I didn't have to empower myself or anyone else to become what I'm fighting.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Right.
So then, yeah, I mean, I don't understand.
thomas renz
Well, what I'm saying is, is listen, propaganda is propaganda.
We use propaganda every day.
I go in the media, I do my show, I abuse propaganda.
Is that manipulative?
tim pool
Why God?
So coercive force means there's physical force, overt, going up to someone, pointing a gun in their head and saying, you don't vote.
I'm talking about, would you be party to a manipulation of an election to prevent communists from taking over, knowing that you and the people that you're working with will have a fair and genuine democratic institution moving forward?
thomas renz
No, because I don't think we need to.
No, is my answer, because I don't think it's necessary.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So, okay, so I disagree.
And I think when you look throughout history, there's reasons why, say, Catalonia, for instance, got wiped out and crushed and barely existed as an anarcho-state, and why anarchist societies have never existed, and why Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great and Napoleon were successful as they were, despite the fact Napoleon was like, I'm going to Russia in the winter for some reason.
Liberal idea.
It's because what we find, even in today's modern political context, is that everything we believe about the virtues of American society were only based upon the fact that we had a moral and virtuous society.
True.
Everybody basically agreed.
Now that we have a large portion of the country that does not agree, they are beating the crap out of us and we're just taking it.
thomas renz
Agreed.
tim pool
And so the end result of that scenario will be the same as Catalonia.
We will be beaten, gulaged, and they will exhume nuns' corpses and desecrate them.
thomas renz
You think, Tim, so you don't believe that if we leverage the infrastructure that we currently have under the law and everything else, do you think we're past the point of no return and that really we're at a point where we really may have to do that?
Because I don't think we are.
I think that if we were to leverage the authority that we have under the existing Constitution, under the existing law, that we don't have to get to that point.
And the question is interesting as an academic question, but from a practical standpoint, I think that we still have a good chance to win this if we're willing to fight for it.
tim pool
Let's try this.
Do you think that illegal immigrants vote?
thomas renz
Do I think they do?
Yes.
tim pool
Do you think that they vote in such numbers that they impact our elections?
thomas renz
Absolutely.
tim pool
How do we go into a Democrat jurisdiction and tell them that the laws they've enacted and their policies are now void?
thomas renz
Well, we should be doing that through the courts anyways.
tim pool
Well, the courts are siding with them and they're telling Trump he can't do things that he clearly can.
thomas renz
I agreed.
tim pool
So the courts, right, here's my point.
Courts are saying we will protect the illicit activities.
thomas renz
Yes, they are.
tim pool
So would your solution then be Trump.
Okay, so they are doing it.
thomas renz
Yes.
tim pool
The courts have defended this illicit conduct.
thomas renz
Yes.
tim pool
They've barred people from watching elections.
thomas renz
Yes.
tim pool
They've destroyed election data.
thomas renz
Yes.
tim pool
They're likely going to do it again.
thomas renz
Yes.
tim pool
What is our recourse?
thomas renz
Right now, we need to be arresting.
We need to be impeaching judges.
We need to not be arresting the guy on the street.
We need to be arresting the people who are behind this.
You and I can get on the internet and in five minutes we can say, hey, look, it looks like money's going from here to here to here.
This guy's funding the riots.
This guy's funding this.
This guy's funding that.
The research is there.
The data is there.
We could take action and we can impeach judges.
We can do things.
We're just not choosing to.
And we're putting ourselves in a position where we're going to have to do what you're saying.
tim pool
Let's keep going.
So I just wanted to fact-check myself here because I was pretty sure I had this right, and I am.
We can't impeach federal judges.
It can't be done.
thomas renz
Why is that?
tim pool
You need two-thirds majority of the Senate in order to impeach a judge.
thomas renz
That's practically, that's true.
tim pool
So that's an impossibility.
So if the opinion of an individual, you or anyone else, is that judges are issuing unconstitutional orders, they are defending illicit voting practices, they are unconstitutionally altering the voting system.
We can't impeach them because we don't have enough political authority in the Senate.
If we do nothing, they will win elections illicitly, and then we'll be ruled over by evil.
What's our course of action?
thomas renz
Listen, I agree with you.
I don't think we're quite to the point that we need to do this.
Now, I will tell you, we also can't, just for anybody asking, we also can't arrest the judges under the concept.
We literally, we don't have the authority.
You can't do that to a judge that's acting within the scope of their position, right?
tim pool
I think there's a couple things you can do.
One is buy Dominion voting systems and then be in control of the private voting mechanisms to make sure that the illicit voting isn't happening.
It doesn't happen.
thomas renz
I'm all in favor of making sure that it's not happening.
I'm not in favor of doing the same thing they're doing.
If Dominion did, in fact, manipulate the last election, and we need to buy it to make sure that doesn't happen in the next election.
I'm all in favor of that.
But there's a difference between buying it to make sure that there's no fraud in the next election or any future election and using it to manipulate the election.
tim pool
I'm curious what you think, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
So there's a really fascinating debate in Catholic ethics and particularly Thomistic ethics.
Well, it's not as debated amongst Thomists.
They're mostly on one side.
But whether lying is ever acceptable, even for a very good cause.
So this would include things like undercover police work, where you know you're actually catching bad people, but it requires for you to tell a lie in order to do so because Christ says he is the way and the truth and the life.
And we as Christians believe that the truth is a person and that person is Jesus Christ.
And therefore, any denial of the truth is a denial of Christ.
And so there's intense theological debate if even lying to save a life is something that you're allowed to do.
tim pool
My view is actually fairly simple.
If you stand on pious ground and say, I will be but a fair arbiter of truth, they're going to be like, hey, I can club them over the head and take all his stuff.
seamus coughlin
They can kill my body.
They can't kill my soul.
tim pool
But that does mean dark days for this country indeed.
And if that's the world that you live in, so be it.
I'm not saying your moral worldview is incorrect.
thomas renz
But what if we cheat otherwise?
tim pool
Cheat otherwise.
And what do you mean?
thomas renz
Okay, so what if we play dirty?
We didn't set the rules of the street fight.
They did.
We can use, you know, we can use lawfare just like they did.
We can weaponize the DOJ just like they did, right?
There's limits to what we can do, but they've set the rules.
They've set the precedent, right?
If it's okay to raid Melania's underwear drawer, why can't we raid Adam Schiff's?
tim pool
We really don't want to.
That's what I'm saying.
thomas renz
I really don't want to.
seamus coughlin
But here's the deal.
thomas renz
I agree with you.
tim pool
Let that one go.
thomas renz
That's like, I don't want to know what's in his shifts.
brett dasovic
It's a poor FBI agent who gets that duty.
That sucks.
seamus coughlin
Horrible PTSD.
thomas renz
There might be a joke about a shift.
But no, listen, here's the deal.
We don't have to go full-fledged Democrat to use very clearly the rules that they've set, the precedent they've set.
We can be very aggressive in our law enforcement.
We can do a lot of things.
And, you know, there's even an argument to be made.
How about this one for you, Tim, right?
So you can't go and arrest a judge who's acting within the scope of their duties.
But what if you've got evidence that a judge is outright committing some sort of a fraudulent action in what they're doing?
tim pool
Why don't we show me the man and I'll show you the crime?
We can arrest any judge we want.
thomas renz
Absolutely.
So why don't we start leveraging that?
Why don't we use the same weaponized DOJ they used against us?
tim pool
So why don't we tell Donald Trump?
phil labonte
Because Donald Trump doesn't have the courage to do that.
tim pool
Let's ask the question.
Okay, so let's use Wisconsin.
Actually, no, sue Pennsylvania because of Texas v.
Pennsylvania.
Are you familiar with Texas?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Massive suit.
So Pennsylvania was sued because they altered the rules of their election outside of the frames of the federal constitution.
And the Supreme Court refused to hear it.
So what happens if Trump then says, well, these judges have mortgage fraud.
Let's arrest them all and take the piece off the board.
And then we'll get people in who will do the right thing.
What do you think the response from Democrats in Pennsylvania will be if Trump were to do that?
thomas renz
Well, I kind of don't care, right?
Because you're talking about, can we use Dominion to steal the election?
And I'm saying, no, we shouldn't.
I'm okay with them being mad at me.
tim pool
Well, I'm okay with them.
But I'm saying, we know that in Pennsylvania, it was the judiciary that altered their state election.
thomas renz
100%.
tim pool
Texas argued that violated the federal constitution because only the state legislature can do that, and they did not.
So let's say Trump says we need to remove a corrupt judiciary through legal use of force in the executive branch arrests for legitimate criminal activity.
What will Democrats do if Trump legitimately arrests the state Supreme Court of Pennsylvania?
thomas renz
Well, they're going to have a stroke.
They're going to do everything they can to activate every rioter, to activate everything that they can do on this.
There's no question about that.
And what's worse is we already know that they don't play by the rules.
But at the end of the day, this part, I agree with you, right?
So I agree with you 100%.
We have to take strong and aggressive steps.
My point is not that we don't have to take strong and aggressive steps.
I'm frustrated as hell that we're not.
My point, though, is that the steps that we take, there have to be limitations, right?
I don't want to trade freedom for tyranny on either side.
I don't trust the government.
I don't trust anyone in our government.
I will never trust them.
After they put the masks on my kids, hell no.
Am I going to ever trust them again?
tim pool
And so I think this is a, I mean, I don't mean this derisively.
I used to think this way when I was about 20, that the use, I was very critical of all use of force.
Today I look at the ICE agents that are risking their lives in Chicago to deport criminal aliens, illegal immigrants, because I voted to do it.
thomas renz
Amen.
tim pool
The reality here is that I, Tim Poole, went to a voting booth and said, I want this to be done.
I then asked these men to stand in harm's way at my behest to do a job that I am not doing and honestly not willing to do.
I don't view that exercise of authority by law enforcement as illicit, nor do I view it as authoritarian.
In fact, I look at these men as men I personally hired to do a job I wanted done.
So the argument then is we are not looking at a foreign body of power that we will put into power and then will be oppressed by.
We are quite literally saying we want these men to be empowered and protected because they're acting out our will.
thomas renz
100%.
tim pool
If Trump, as Trump carries on, he's actually doing more than any president has ever done, in my opinion, for the people who voted for him.
unidentified
Agreed.
tim pool
So I do not view the Republican victories as a threat to my life as tyrannical or authoritarian.
It's actually the will of the popular vote, which is as Democratic as we've seen in a long time.
When the Republicans win, we are seeing legitimate use of force as derived by the people.
When the Democrats win, it's not.
Now, to be fair, I don't think any regular voter who voted for Biden expected him to go and arrest Trump's lawyers.
The only problem is they didn't care when he did.
brett dasovic
They don't care.
tim pool
They don't care.
So we know what Democrats will do when they receive power from the people and it is illicit.
And we know that when Trump and his administration receives power from the people, it's actually fairly weak.
I have no problem with them winning.
Now, the ultimate issue, again, is, I say this quite a bit.
I have changed my argument.
I used to say if everyone had the moral worldview of Seamus Coughlin, now I say if everyone had the moral worldview of Charlie Kirk, we would need no police.
You would need no ballot security.
This country would run like a well-oiled machine and crime would be near zero.
You'd need civil courts because sometimes people have misunderstandings.
I thought the contract was going to mean this, and they get angry with each other.
And of course, sometimes there's murder and there's going to be passion and things like this, but you really wouldn't need active police force in every jurisdiction because people wouldn't be aggressing against each other to any meaningful degree.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, the more laws you need, the worse shape your country's in.
tim pool
Agreed.
And so the point we're at now is: Democrats are not going to respect any use of force, be it legitimate or otherwise.
They are going to violently resist as they are right now.
phil labonte
The question of legitimacy isn't even on the table because whether or not the conservatives or Republicans are using legitimate power, the Democrats are going to say that it's illegitimate.
This is something we talked about last night.
This is not a question of who has the better argument.
The left doesn't care what your argument is.
The left is going to use whatever argument is functional at the time, and they're going to make that argument trying to get you to concede their point.
They use your principles against you.
They don't care about the Constitution.
They don't care about the freedom of speech.
They don't care about anything that makes America America.
They only care about power.
tim pool
Take a look at the State Department.
They just deported.
Actually, you know, let's pull this one up.
They deported people.
We'll pull this story up.
We'll kick this one off.
Here we go.
We've got this story from Politico.
State Department revokes visas over Kirk criticism.
The Department did not identify the visa holders by name or specify what type of visas were revoked, but we do have some information.
Some of them, I believe, were student visas.
Six were revoked because they celebrated the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Now, take a look at the second line from Politico.
The move has drawn criticism from free speech advocates.
Take a look at how the media describes these people.
Free speech advocates.
seamus coughlin
As if they've ever been free speech advocates on literally anything else their entire lives.
tim pool
They are not free speech advocates.
They are illegal immigration advocate leftists who will lie, cheat, and steal to destroy this country.
These same people on X who are claiming it's a violation of free speech celebrated the banning of Alex Jones and every conservative all day and night.
And this is the game they play.
They adopt free speech when it's a power they want.
So going back to what we were talking about in the previous segment, the high priests of the left and the liberal base literally do not care about what is or is not legitimate.
They only care what they will get away with.
thomas renz
Agreed.
tim pool
If we are going to stand back and accept every argument they make, we will find ourselves in gulags by authoritarians.
thomas renz
Agreed.
tim pool
There comes a point when a conversation has to be had about how you defend your way of life.
Right now, we, the people of this country, duly elected Donald Trump and have empowered ICE DHS to begin deporting illegal immigrants.
thomas renz
Agreed.
tim pool
California has declared a state of emergency over this.
Zoran Mamdani said he will protect his people, illegal immigrants, from us.
They have told us in no uncertain terms, they are an entirely separate nation.
They are the multicultural democracy of America.
We are the Constitutional Republic of America.
In that regard, I have no concern whatsoever over the laws of a foreign nation.
The UK, a UK chief of police said he was going to extradite Americans, and we all laughed, didn't we?
Yeah.
So when the king of Tajikopoulos says it's illegal to arrest somebody who committed a crime, we laugh and say, who are you?
When these judges and these leftists lie, cheat, and steal and try to exert illegitimate authority, the problem we face right now is that Donald Trump is going, I guess that clown over there who's honking his horn must be right.
The clown warrant is a real warrant.
And then Trump backs off.
phil labonte
Look, this is Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance.
That's exactly what we're dealing with right now.
Our system only works when everybody agrees on how the system works.
When people refuse to engage in the system in an honest way, then they're trying to circumvent the system, trying to use things like the freedom of speech or what have you against people that are coming to the debate or argument with an honest perspective.
Then the system breaks down.
unidentified
Agreed.
phil labonte
So at what point do you say we no longer tolerate this stuff?
And if they're using the government to just arrest their political opponents, that's the time when you say we can't tolerate this anymore.
And we're not talking about something in the future.
This is what they've already done.
tim pool
Here is the now.
Here's the wall.
Here's the wall.
Here is the line.
Here's what we are facing.
Democrat-aligned judges are issuing orders that are unconstitutional.
Donald Trump is saying rats.
Guess I have to abide by it.
Why must our side listen to unconstitutional edict and not act?
This is the crazy thing.
There's a few different, there's a tilt to this, right?
You could have on the left and the right, constitutional orders, constitutional actions, and we all say, well, that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Then you go like this.
This is where we currently are at.
It is unconstitutional on the left and the right is abiding by it.
It could be the other way.
Trump acts unconstitutionally and the left has, oh, dear, help us.
What is happening right now is Trump isn't even acting within the scope of his constitutional powers.
thomas renz
Right.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
We will lose.
thomas renz
We're going to get our butts handed to us.
And I agree with you.
You and I are on the exact same page here, right up to the Dominion voting machines.
unidentified
We need to start acting voting machines.
thomas renz
Well, maybe not, maybe not.
But in terms of what's going on, we've got to step this up big time.
We need to leverage every single thing that the left has used against us, turn it back around and smack them with it.
100%.
They've set the precedent.
We have the authority.
Listen, it's the LA story that we had at the beginning of the show, right?
Those guys broke the law.
Arrest the whole darn government.
Arrest them all.
Put them in jail.
You know what?
You guys want to riot over it?
Guess what?
We're going to put the rioters in jail too.
If we have to make bigger prisons, you're all going to jail.
It doesn't matter.
tim pool
I firmly believe that the only, so again, LA declaring a state of emergency over real law enforcement like shows that there's no path forward.
If Trump goes into LA and says we are assuming control, we are declaring an insurrection, you will have a civil war overnight.
thomas renz
But we're going to have it anyways, right?
Because I'm going to tell you, right now, I'm going to tell you, if they steal another election, if whatever happens, if the Democrats come back like you're saying, do you think that I'm going to go to the prison camp peacefully?
I got news for you, brother.
I'm standing.
And that's the way it's going to be.
So we're at a point now, and this is a terrifying moment in American history.
And I don't say this lightly.
We are at a point now where we have to decide whether we are going to follow the law, follow the Constitution, follow what we think, what Charlie Kirk spoke about.
If we're going to be the nation he dreamed we could be, or if we're going to let it all go to the toilet because we don't have the gonads to speak up to put people in jail because they might be mad, they might protest.
They might, good.
You know what?
seamus coughlin
Bring it.
thomas renz
I want to know who we need to put in jail because let's put them all there.
tim pool
I got a quote for you guys.
Oh, it were better to be a poor fisherman than to meddle with the government of men.
Denton.
thomas renz
Oh, boy.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin
So the fish put you on trial on Trumped up charges.
And they go, that kind of bait is not regulation, as a matter of fact.
tim pool
You were oppressing our people.
Over the past couple of weeks, I mentioned this earlier, the escalation has been so psychotic.
It is.
The police crews are blown up in Boston, a roving band of just barbarians running around.
I'm like, geez.
We've had three or four terror attacks on ICE.
We've had DHS get attacked on the streets of Chicago three times.
Their vehicles were rammed.
Numerous instances where bystanders attacked federal officers to aid and abet illegal immigrants.
The cities, the governors, the judges rejecting the constitutional authority of the duly elected federal government.
It is more clear than ever that confidence of the American people is bifurcated.
What is government?
It is confidence.
The belief that there is an authority structure above you you must abide by.
Half the country no longer feels that there's any legitimate authority of Donald Trump or the federal government.
This is only going to get worse as the younger generation gets older and gains access to the seats of power and our infrastructure.
If we are to respond now and Trump says, I don't care what some judge rules, that's unconstitutional.
I can deploy the National Guard under the protective principle.
Democrats will then say Trump has gone rogue.
In fact, they're saying it anyway.
After a bunch of rocks were thrown at federal law enforcement and they launched tear gas.
ABC 7 Chicago said federal law enforcement are now defying court orders and tear gassing people in Chicago.
Liberals don't care what is fair, what is true.
They care about winning by any means necessary.
The reaction then from Trump is going to be, we got to send in the troops, right?
That's already what he's trying to do.
In Portland, in California, he's already done it in California.
The reaction is a state of emergency.
The government is going to line up against the federal, the state governments will line up against the federal government.
We've seen now in Portland and in Illinois reports that the mayors, I'm not sure in Illinois if it's the mayor or the governor, but in Portland, I believe it was the police were instructed to start gathering evidence against federal law enforcement for criminal charges.
In California, Gavin Newsom passed a law that says as of January 1st, 26, federal law enforcement must remove all their masks.
Otherwise, it's a misdemeanor charge.
Many people said Newsom will never enforce this law against these police, which is an absurdity considering they already arrested Trump's lawyers.
There's nothing that's going to stop these people.
So then the point you made, which I don't disagree with, that's on the table.
Trump going in in Reconstruction era political style, occupying city and state government and saying, we are in control now by force.
We are going to reform your electoral process and fix this insurrection.
In which case, civil war.
thomas renz
Well, maybe, maybe.
I mean, I think we've got to be very careful doing that.
It's a huge, huge risk, right?
I mean, because you're right.
We've got some crazy, crazy people, and it has to be done by the letter of the law.
This is why I think that it's so critical that we're careful in how we do this, but that we leverage everything we've got.
The problem I'm seeing is when I look at this as an attorney, I see so much that's being left on the table.
There's so many opportunities.
You know, one of the things that we can do is we talk about, you know, and Trump is doing a lot of stuff, right?
Cutting off money.
The U.S. aid thing was huge, but it wasn't just USAID that's funding this.
We have to cut the money off from the billionaire crowd that's funding this, you know, the foreign nation crowd that's funding this, all the different groups.
I mean, we got the CCP all over this country.
We got so much foreign influence from all these different places.
Listen, America first means something.
We got to get rid of these foreign nations that are influencing things for their own good.
We've got to get rid of the corruption from top down.
And the billionaire elitists need to quit getting invites to the White House.
They need to be investigated if they're doing something wrong.
We can celebrate the guys who are billionaires that are good and doing good things.
That's fine.
Being rich doesn't make you bad.
But we really have to start pulling out all the stops.
And this is my frustration and why I talk about DOJ.
There's a lot of things that could be being done.
We're not doing them.
We're coming up on midterms.
And if we don't see some people in jail, if we don't see some big people, if we don't see real accountability, we're going to lose this.
tim pool
We're going to jump to something apolitical, not so much political, because normally we jump to the super chats, but I got to squeeze this one in because, ladies and gentlemen, I am at war with Liquid Death.
If those aren't familiar, Liquid Death is a canned water and flavored water beverage company.
And I tweeted this.
Now that I don't have to be polite anymore, Liquid Death is absolute-ish and misleads the public into thinking they don't use plastic, but their cans are lined with plastic.
We will be office spacing the remainder of our stock, which we did.
We went outside and we just smashed all the cans.
I was informed yesterday that Liquid Death has fired their entire professional skateboard team.
I don't like Liquid Death.
I've never been a big fan.
I actually don't mind their drinks.
Actually, I'll give credit to their drinks.
Let me pause for a second.
The brand is terrible.
The low-sugar tea, actually not bad.
So shout out to Liquid Death in that regard.
I don't care for canned water.
I think it's kind of cringe marketing, whatever.
Richie Jackson, who is a friend of ours and rides for our skate company, The Boonies, was also sponsored by Liquid Death and informed me that he had been, as well as everyone from the skateboard team, terminated.
The only reason I held my tongue on Liquid Death was out of the conflict of interest.
Now, some have said, you know, why didn't you speak up sooner on this company?
And I said, there's a conflict.
I work with Richie.
He's sponsored by them.
It's, you know, now that he's not, Liquid Death has a slogan, death to plastic, on all of their products.
I don't know about all their products, but on all the cans you buy, it says death to plastic.
So a couple of years ago, we had been talking about phthalates, PCBs, and other plastic leaching into drinks, and we found it gross.
Most food is wrapped in plastic.
What are you going to do about it?
So I said, let's buy some glass bottles.
We bought Saratoga Springs, bottled at the Source Spring Water.
I believe the twist-off caps do have some plastic, but hey, better than most, right?
And we also bought plastic water bottles for those that literally don't care because we're not diehard activists on plastic.
We just say, let's just do a little bit better.
Seamus is drinking plastic water bottles right now.
seamus coughlin
What you guys have?
You don't have the glass ones anymore, do you?
tim pool
We have the reasonable glass ones downstairs.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I didn't know those were there.
How many of these?
brett dasovic
PH8.4, whatever that means.
tim pool
So I don't care all that much.
I'm drinking a spin drift right now, and these cans are lined with plastic.
So what happens is Richie tells me, he's like, hey, I ride for Liquid Death.
We should get a bunch of this.
It's in aluminum cans.
And I was like, hey, that's a good point.
So I bought a ton of it.
We've restocked it consistently.
And then my brother said, it's all plastic.
And I did not know that aluminum cans were actually plastic bags.
Take a look at this image.
This is a liquid death can after the metal has been eaten away by caustic soda.
And it's actually a plastic bag wrapped in aluminum.
Had I known, and I did not know this, aluminum cans are actually aluminum plastic cans, I would have been like, hey, I mean, I'll order some, whatever, but I'm not doing that.
Instead, I stopped ordering glass bottles and I ordered Liquid Death cans because in my mind, I was like, now we have the alternative until I found out it was actually all lined with plastic.
What happened?
In effect, Liquid Death tricked me through misleading marketing into stopping my purchase of glass bottles, which are like 99% plastic-free, except for the cap, I believe, and into purchasing a higher quantity of single-use, unrecyclable plastic through misleading marketing.
I was pissed.
I'm like, why do they say death to plastic when all of their products contain plastic?
Well, I tweeted that.
Liquid Death said, our founder would be happy to have a public debate with you about why you think the company is absolute-ish and the global issue of single-use plastic bottles, or is this more of a road rage kind of thing just yelling out the window of your car as you drive away?
Well, I then tweeted, gentlemen's bet, Liquid Death will back out as soon as management figures out who their social media person is tweeting with, and that I sponsor one of the team writers they just kicked off.
Well, it turns out we have confirmed Friday for a debate.
And I'll just tell you exactly what I'm thinking because there is no debate.
It is plain as day.
There is nothing barring liquid death from disclosing on all of their packages, this product does contain 0.5 to 1, I believe it's 1 gram of plastic.
The argument they're making is they're trying to trick you into thinking that because they exist, people are buying less plastic water bottles.
That is false and illogical.
And I'll give you a simple logical assessment.
Tim Poole walks into a gas station.
I am conscious of phthalates in PCBs and plastics and plastic pollution.
What product will I buy?
I have the choice between Nestle's brand of plastic water bottle or Saratoga Springs glass water bottle.
It's obvious.
I buy the glass water bottle.
Joe Schmo does not give one crap about plastic.
What product will he buy?
He's going to buy a plastic water bottle.
It's cheaper.
90 cents, 1.24 maybe?
Now let's say liquid death enters the market and they write death to plastic on their cans.
And I was unaware that all cans, all of them are lined with plastic.
Hey, Coke doesn't advertise death to plastic.
So I'm not really offended that they have plastic.
I then walk into a gas station.
I'm now looking at three choices, an expensive glass bottle, a cheaper can, or plastic water bottle.
And I say, death to plastic.
I'll buy the cheaper can.
Because of that, they have increased the consumption of plastic while trying to argue that people will choose not to drink out of plastic bottles.
That is incorrect.
In fact, I did the research and there is nothing indicating any slump in sales of plastic water bottles since the emergence of liquid death.
In fact, Liquid Death also launched something called Death Dust, which is single-use plastic packets with flavors that you can put into their water cans or into water in general.
It is a, I believe it's a paper packet foil lined with a plastic liner inside because you have to keep it sealed.
So this is a company that uses edgy marketing to convince people that they are anti-plastic.
Meanwhile, they are generally just increasing unrecyclable single-use plastic consumption while pretending like they're not.
I will stress again once more the logic.
Anybody who already is aware of plastic pollution is going to buy non-plastic products.
Anybody who doesn't care will buy a plastic water bottle.
The only person they're marketing to is the person who may have purchased glass instead.
By launching this product, they have displaced by 50% the amount of non-plastic water products that would be purchased on the market.
They have consumed the market share and increased plastic.
Therefore, we announced we are launching pool water.
And it's funny because I already got people being like, Tim's the king of grifters by doing this.
So it took us about two hours.
And the response I got to the liquid death thing was that glass is too expensive.
And liquid death can sell a cheap.
So what they're really saying is, listen, people are going to buy the cheap product.
And so there's much less plastic in a can.
So people are going to buy the cheaper can.
And I said, okay, at volume, he could make a big profit on glass bottles too.
So why not sell glass?
Honest question.
We did the math, did the research.
It took us two hours to find an artisan water source in Virginia.
This means it's a natural water aquifer that filters and cleans the water.
And then it's UV blasted to kill off any bacteria.
And they told us they could sell, they could get this packaged out the door, expedited three weeks after, that's how long it takes to do the production of the bottles, the labels, and then supply the waters and get them packaged for shipping.
There probably will be plastic shrink wrap or something.
I am not this, you know, ah, plastic's so evil.
I would like there to be a product that reduces the amount of plastic in the food product we are consuming.
And so long as people are going to drink water, why not have a glass bottle?
Did the math.
With this, pool water, which should be available for pre-order starting tomorrow.
Pool water, huh?
Andy, our boy Andy came up with the name.
He's clever.
We are going to make about 8 cents on every bottle we sell.
We will not make money on this product figuratively.
Like, obviously, we can't lose money.
So we will be earning about 8 cents per bottle.
And that likely will not cover all of our staffing or anything.
What we're looking at probably aiming towards break even.
If we were at volume like Liquid Death and selling millions, I think the estimates are 175 million cans.
We'd be in the profit because the more volume you have, the more you can decrease your cost in bulk because everybody makes more money.
So I'll put it this way.
If we made one cent, we could reduce the price.
If we made one cent per bottle but sold 175 million bottles, I think we're all pretty dang happy with that.
Making eight cents and selling 175 million bottles would be great.
Right now, we're not looking to make much money, but we did this to prove a point.
Liquid Death absolutely could have put their drink in glass bottles, which would reduce production of plastic and consumption of plastic, and they could have used paper sticker labels, which are still going to contain some polymers because you can't get away from plastic.
Instead, they chose to use plastic-lined cans, label it death to plastic, and then lead people to believe that they're somehow fighting this, not to mention the death dust, which increases plastic consumption.
I've been asked why I care so much because I care if you follow me at all, you know that the one thing I really hate is people lying to you.
When the corporate press lies, I've never been a staunch conservative.
I am just here because the media won't stop lying about everything.
I don't care who you are, what you do.
I get pissed when people put out false information to rip people off.
So that's why we launched this.
And I'm going to have a debate with this guy on Friday, and I'm going to prove the point.
I don't know what his argument's going to be because there's no proof or evidence that they've reduced plastic consumption at all.
In fact, one for one, every can Liquid Death produces is identical in plastic consumption to Coca-Cola.
So what is the effing argument?
Death to plastic was a greenwashing lie to trick people who cared into buying a plastic product, and I am pissed about it.
phil labonte
So buy pool water.
unidentified
I mean, sparkling water options, too.
tim pool
So eventually we are planning on doing sparkling water.
They'll be called spa water.
And the green tea we launch will be called pond water.
thomas renz
That's the best product.
I wonder what the FTC has to say about this.
I mean, they really ought to be looking into it.
It's deceptive advertising, deceptive marketing, in my opinion.
I mean, to me, you know, especially because I'm big in Maha, right?
I mean, Maha is my space.
You know, the dangers of consuming, you know, and I, yeah, listen, I have to consume things in plastic all the time.
I mean, I can't lie and say that I don't, but, you know, to tell everybody, hey, we're plastic free, death to plastic, no plastic, you know, I mean.
tim pool
But they don't say that.
That's the clever play.
They don't say plastic free.
They just say death to plastic, aluminum can, because they know the manipulation is the average person doesn't realize it's actually an aluminum plastic can.
I think RFK Jr., I got to get him on the phone.
It should be required under FTC that aluminum cans are labeled as aluminum and plastic cans.
thomas renz
Agreed.
100%.
Listen, it's misleading.
And I would argue that even though they don't come out and say plastic free, I would argue this is absolutely false.
It misleads me.
I think 100%.
tim pool
And I absolutely will pursue suit in some capacity.
We have purchased a large amount of liquid death.
I don't have a problem with consuming things out of plastic in general.
I should say I generally don't like consuming things out of plastic products, but I recognize the ubiquity of plastic.
I also recognize creating vacuum seals for certain products is very difficult.
We can't put every single powder in a glass tin or something, though they do sell a lot of drink mixes in tins.
My problem is that they are lying to people and displacing the plastic alternative market.
So you could absolutely purchase, like I said, this is Artesian water.
It is clean.
It is pure.
It is absolutely delicious.
And it is the same price as Liquid Death without volume.
If we were selling 170 75 million bottles of this stuff, we'd get the price way down and we'd be swimming in a profit.
So we are making a minimal profit.
The margins are slim as they come just to prove that with two hours of research and simple graphic work, we can produce something cheaper than liquid death in a glass bottle.
Why can't they?
And why are they, should I put death the plastic on my bottles?
They can sue me.
thomas renz
Well, listen, at the end of the day, I really hope you see some action on this.
And, you know, I understand your margins are a little tight on this, but I'm hoping everybody buys the pool water because I guess it's the same thing.
I'm so tired of the lies, the misleading advertising, and we see it across the board.
I mean, can I say safe and effective, anybody?
I mean, you know, it's just nonsense.
So this is great.
tim pool
So the other thing, too, is I'm fairly certain.
I could be wrong.
Liquid Death sources their water similarly from Virginia.
I'm not sure if it's Artesian or Spring, but Artesian basically means it's a well, right?
It's natural, it's a natural aquifer as an underground water source of some sort.
Here's the best part.
In doing this research, we found out we're overpaying for our bottled water, even our plastic.
So it's like we can have pure, clean water, all the garbage not in it, natural, good stuff at a fraction of the cost in glass bottles.
We were like, wow, outside of the whole liquid death argument, we are going to order, because like, I mean, we got Seamus over here drinking Icelandic.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, listen, I would prefer to be drinking it from a glass bottle.
I think it's a really cool product.
I think it's something that, listen, even if I wasn't friends with you, this is something I would want to buy.
This is something I would want to use.
tim pool
I'm just saying we will stop buying plastic water bottles because these are cheaper for us and they're in glass.
And we will just stock up the IRL studio with pool water and then people will drink pool water on the show.
seamus coughlin
And I know this isn't the primary concern.
tim pool
We're also going to come up with a lemon-flavored one with a little hint of yellow in it.
seamus coughlin
I think that's still called pool water.
But even setting aside the concerns about plastics, there is just something nicer about drinking from a glass bottle.
Do you remember when you were a kid and you can get like the glass Coca-Cola bottle instead of the plastic one and you always wanted that?
phil labonte
You still can't use it.
seamus coughlin
But do you remember the first time you saw one?
Because for a while, it was only plastic and then they started marketing the glass ones.
And I was like, I want that.
tim pool
Here's my argument.
Here's my question for Liquid Death.
All sorts of drinks come in plastic bottles.
What does producing a can masquerading as death as plastic free, how does that in any way alter the market, the landscape?
I don't care if, so they sell iced teas, sparkling flavored waters, and canned water.
What's the effing difference?
Coca-Cola sells their product in cans as well.
They're using the idea of plastic pollution to sell you a plastic product.
They are not displacing anything.
If anything, they are tricking people who would normally buy glass into buying plastic.
It's not going the other way around.
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All right, we got Mytho 671.
He says, FLA County, they are traders.
Pinot Shay says, imagine if Tim's last name was Toilet instead of Pool.
The joke wouldn't work as well.
Pool water is gross enough, but it does kind of work.
Pool water.
My brother thought it was a terrible idea.
He's like, no one's going to want to drink that.
unidentified
It's disgusting.
tim pool
Everyone else laughed and said, who cares?
unidentified
Do it anyway.
tim pool
It's funny.
The other thing, too, is because it's so cheap, we're going to start having a sales team go to various stores and ask them, like, what do you spend per case per bottle or per ounce for a bottled water in your gas station, in your restaurant?
We're going to say, we're going to undercut all of them.
We are going to put pool water in all of these restaurants.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
And we are going to.
seamus coughlin
Listen, the idea did not even exist this morning, by the way.
phil labonte
Like, I was here all developed in the future.
seamus coughlin
In five years, four hours, Tim is like, I will destroy the conventional bottled water industry.
tim pool
In five years, Tim, my wife was like, is this how we retire off pool water?
But imagine this.
We go to like a restaurant and they say, like, we're spending like $1.50 per bottle of water.
And we could be like, okay, we'll get you at $1.40.
And we'll give you 10 cases free to switch to us.
And then we're going to get glass bottled water as far as we can get it.
thomas renz
You want to be in some five-star restaurant and have them say, would you like the pool water?
phil labonte
You're going to meme your way to the top of the water.
tim pool
To be fair, let me pull this up.
I don't think we can actually compete with plastic water bottles.
seamus coughlin
In terms of price.
tim pool
So let's see.
54 cases.
Let's see.
You can get 1,890 bottles of plastic water for $659.
thomas renz
Wow.
tim pool
There's no way glass can compete with that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Then when you look at Liquid Death on Amazon, they sell for $0.08 per fluid ounce.
We're selling for about $0.07 per fluid ounce.
seamus coughlin
How many cents per fluid ounce does plastic bottled water generally sell for?
tim pool
Like three.
seamus coughlin
Three?
Okay, wow.
tim pool
Insane.
And like plastic is dirt cheap.
seamus coughlin
It's cheap.
tim pool
It's dirt cheap, man.
seamus coughlin
That's why it's everywhere now.
That's why microplastics and everything.
tim pool
Skyline says Pool Water should hire Sidney Sweeney for ads or at least Timu version, Make America Sex Again.
That is a really good idea.
unidentified
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
tim pool
We got to find a Timu, like a really like a knockoff of Sidney Sweeney, like someone who kind of looks like her.
You know what I mean?
It's like obviously not her.
phil labonte
She's pretty, but not really.
tim pool
Yeah, just like a 6.57 maybe C now.
seamus coughlin
I'm going to feel bad for whoever you hire.
phil labonte
Don't feel bad.
tim pool
You know, and then we'll have her be like, when I'm thirsty, I just drink the pool water.
unidentified
And then we're going to have a guy go like, oh, that's great.
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, look, there are people in my periphery who are like, Tim, why don't you just actually make a product that will sell and make money?
Like, we could probably, if we sold these for 25, like two bucks a pack, I mean, two dollars a bottle for a bottle of water, glass bottle, we're looking at 48 or 48.
Saratoga Springs, it's like 70 bucks because it's like legit, really good natural spring water from New York.
But I was like, I'm not trying to get rich and make a billion dollars off bottled water.
unidentified
Just automatically nice law enforcement.
seamus coughlin
What do you think?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, that was weird.
How did that happen?
That was Trump all of a sudden just talking about the press.
Oh, look, there's Liquid Death's plastic bag.
Gross.
unidentified
Gross.
tim pool
No, I just think it'd be funny if people bought pool water.
And I think, you know, at this price, it's like it's like a buck 70 per bottle or whatever.
So then there's going to be shipping.
It's not the easiest thing in the world to get, but it's funny.
And we'll have it at all of our events, you know.
And again, it's cheaper for us to stock this thank you.
seamus coughlin
I think it's great, honestly.
Like, this is something I would actually use.
thomas renz
So would I.
I was just with a friend out west and Insisting on glass bottled water, you couldn't find it anywhere.
So, like, you know, I ended up, I think it's like four or five bucks for a bottle.
It was crazy.
So, if you, if you're in the universe of competitive, especially, I think, because nobody wants the BPAs, nobody wants the plastic.
tim pool
I mean, well, I will be fair too.
We just found this company.
We haven't done any tests on the water quality or anything like that.
So, I'm not doing this to claim we're going to have the cleanest and best water available.
To be fair, the company assured us, we looked at their process.
It looks really nice.
They show us the filtration process, like the natural filtration process and how the water, they assert its purity and all this really great stuff.
So, I'm fairly confident this is really great water.
It's really close to us, by the way, too.
It's like within seriously 20 minutes driving or whatever.
But look, the cap's going to have plastic on it to seal it or something.
I just don't like that Liquid Death is misleading people by claiming death to plastic and then selling a plastic bag full of water.
brett dasovic
My wife said, Call the lemon water with the yellow public pool water.
unidentified
All right.
brett dasovic
That might not sell as well, though.
tim pool
Metho says, Tim, do you have any spoons left with Seamus being there for so long?
seamus coughlin
You know me.
You know, I would never do something like that.
tim pool
Seamus is actually planning on launching a cutlery product.
seamus coughlin
Cutlery silverware?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
James Smith says the Insurrection Act needs to be invoked.
The judges' orders to remove the ICE facility fence should have been ignored.
Yet Republicans bowed down like the cowards they are.
Yep.
And I got to tell you, I was talking to someone earlier about how they have friends in Portland who are saying we need to get out of this place.
And I was like, wow, someone who's from, like, yeah, they lived in Portland for a long time and they're realizing now that the left has gone insane.
It's corrupt.
They need to get out of there.
I don't believe that anybody in Illinois who is of sound mind and could support Trump would support Trump if he's not going to act.
The example is in the 2020 riots, everybody was like, if Trump invokes the Insurrection Act to stop the riots, he'll be called a fascist.
Instead, what happened was people said, Trump as president is impotent and can't stop rioting.
I'm going to vote for the other guy.
Trump needs to go with an iron fist and say, if you vote for me, you'll stay safe.
brett dasovic
They're going to call him a fascist anyways.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
But the argument was that's why he didn't stop the riots because he was worried it would hurt him in the polls.
Instead, what hurt him in the polls was not stopping the riots.
thomas renz
Amen.
100%.
tim pool
All right.
I think if for life says, why is nobody talking about ex-Twitter not allowing Android phones to upload pictures or video during a nationwide mass protest being formed?
There's a critical time where minds can be swayed.
What are you talking about?
brett dasovic
Is that going on?
tim pool
All I know is that Twitter is broken on Android when you try to upload videos.
brett dasovic
Well, videos or photos?
Because I like literally just uploaded a post a while ago with photos in it and it worked fine.
tim pool
Kimmy Hunt says bottle caps used to be lined with cork.
Maybe these can still be sourced for your pool water.
Research cork-lined bottle caps.
I remember these from the 1960s.
Maybe we could bring them back.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
brett dasovic
It's like one company left that's doing it.
It's like, can I bring you back to life with my music?
seamus coughlin
It's one Etsy shop.
They're like, buy our artisanal cork caps.
tim pool
I think you can find it.
We have reusable glass water bottles that have like, it's what it silicone seal.
So no plastics, I guess.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
LSO says, Tim, why are you not posting all Timcast videos on Rumble?
There are at least two of them today that are on YouTube and not on Rumble.
I try to watch and check Rumble first, but lately I know not to.
That would be a staff error.
If the crew that normally uploads the videos missed this, then they would not get uploaded.
And that is just a lapse.
It's just a mistake.
We upload all of our content to Rumble, even the Tim Pool show.
Shades Wilder says their smiles and laughter at the violence against police just tells me that they are either happy it happened or are too stupid or high on SSRIs to know what is going on.
brett dasovic
I would like to think that it's like they're literally just disconnected from the reality of the world they live in.
And that's the truth for a lot of people who make their lives in these big cities is it's all they know, it's all they want to know, and they're almost held hostage in a way with where they live.
And it's like you imagine a world where you know you can go outside and you don't have to worry about being mugged or a car next to you being started on fire.
But then when you say that, they're like, well, it's the city.
What do you expect?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
brett dasovic
That's just part of life's part of life in the city.
You're like, yes, but things are good, but they could be better.
unidentified
Yeah.
thomas renz
That's SRI thing is really something that, I mean, you got to wonder how much impact that's having on the just complete breakdown of what's occurring.
Oh, yes.
They're everywhere.
And I mean, like I said, that's that's kind of my space.
I mean, it's a disaster what those are doing, and they've been covering it up so hard for so long.
seamus coughlin
Well, and a huge part of this, and again, I'm not a medical professional, I'm not speaking medically, but just from a spiritual perspective, I think we have a society where people aren't living as they ought, and they're not even encouraged to live as they ought.
And when you act in ways outside of your purpose and how you actually exist as a human, of course, you're going to feel depressed.
Of course, you're going to feel like there's something wrong with the world.
So people are running to SSRIs.
I think, in large part, that's because we don't have a society that tells people how to be healthy.
And I'm not just talking about the food we eat, I'm talking about the friendships we have, our understanding of our purpose, all of these things, our place in the system.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
What do we got here?
Millennial Mama says, every day it's like 20 black pills and three white pills.
How does one stay invested in the news when it's so exhausting and makes the soul ache?
My concern, not so much is soul ache or anything like that.
I feel like I'm fairly calloused to the goings on of the world.
My concern is that the exponential increase in shock and violence is the issue for me is not so much that I'm like, oh no, I'm depressed.
It's at a certain point we have to prepare for what is about to happen.
And I'm looking at all of these stories and I was like, and I'm thinking to myself, it is exponentially increasing.
It is speeding up rapidly.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
With the ramming.
Okay, guys, this is serious.
DHS got rammed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They jumped out of their vehicle and opened fire on a woman, striking her.
They got rammed again.
In Chicago, they got rammed again.
Any one of these moments could lead to a full-scale shootout in Chicago between armed factions and law enforcement.
And cartels and gangs are now offering bounties to Chicago gangs to kill law enforcement.
We are literally talking about right now, at any moment, we could get the Battle of Chicago.
And that is not an exaggeration.
The Latin Kings put a bounty out on the commander of DHS.
Mexican gangs are putting bounties out on DHS.
They've been rammed already.
At any moment, when the first ramming happened and DHS got out and opened fire, police were told to stand down and leave.
Latin kings were instructed by their gang leaders to go and basically secure the area.
That could have very easily, probabilistically and I'm surprised it didn't happen, result in a video showing armed federal law enforcement ducking behind engine blocks and concrete barriers and shooting at other people.
And at first, I think if this were to happen, people are going to be like, whoa, a shootout happened between federal law enforcement and gangs.
Five years later, they would have called the First Battle of Chicago.
brett dasovic
I do think that soul ache is something that we have to take into account.
And I do think it matters.
I think that you blackpill yourself when you consume too much news every day.
The best thing that I found for something like that is if you spend a lot of time reading or taking in media that's just negative and inherently, the best thing you can do is to try to recognize that in yourself, pull yourself away, work on something tangible, spend time with your family,
spend time with your loved ones, go out into the real world, physical activity, literally anything that can pull you away because the mental state you get in when you consume a lot of news, it can be one of those things that it creeps up on you and you don't realize that it's affecting the way you think and feel until it's too late.
seamus coughlin
I totally agree, and I do think it's important to stay up to date and informed.
But for your average person who doesn't do this for a living, I think it is really important to be moderate about the amount of content you're consuming.
I don't think it's good for men to constantly be confronted with injustices that they can't do anything to stop.
And I don't think it's good for women to constantly see images of children who they're not going to be able to help.
I think even if you're doing a good job with all of those things in your own life, you're preventing the injustices close to you.
You're a woman, you're taking care of your own children.
It does something to your brain that makes it feel like you're not.
And so it can demoralize you.
thomas renz
Don't you think that's intentional, though?
It's kind of, you know, they want us to stand down.
They want us exhausted.
They want us to quit.
And, you know, you've got to protect yourself.
You have to stay aware so that you're ready to stand.
I mean, we've got to stand together.
And I agree with what Tim said 1,000%.
We're at such a pivotal moment in American history.
And this is going to determine our freedom, our kids' freedom, our future.
But at the end of the day, you've got to control what you can control.
You've got to fight the fights you can fight, but you've got to recognize that you can't fight every fight.
Be a part of the solution.
Stand strong.
Do what you got to do.
Hit share on the tweets.
You know, watch this show, share this show, get it out there.
But then make sure you're taking a minute.
Go to the gym, spend time with your family, do whatever it is that you got to do, and be ready to go when it's time because there may well be a time that we don't have a choice.
tim pool
I will say for most people, if you read about history, I've said this before, I'll say it again, you will notice nothing.
The revolution in Egypt, most people in Egypt literally saw nothing happen, and nothing in their lives changed.
Prices may have fluctuated.
You might, and even today, as you're sitting there, wherever you may live, rural Nebraska, New York, wherever, you hear the story about the ICE attack, the attack on ICE in Chicago, or the CBP guys getting rammed.
And it's something in a faraway land.
When these shooting happens, these shootings happen, it's in a faraway land.
You'll likely not see anything ever.
We got time for a couple more.
Nylon Hynek says, liberals keep freaking out about data centers and their environmental impact.
If the entire internet shut down forever, how long do you think liberals would survive versus independents and conservatives?
Oh, they just fall to the ground and foam at the mouth.
thomas renz
Well, who would tell them what to do or what to think?
brett dasovic
Nothing makes them so angry than to post some inconsequential thing made with AI.
unidentified
My God, they hate it so much.
tim pool
Debo Santa Cruz says, big fan since Rogan, everyone knows who the ninth circle of hell is reserved for.
Does anyone know who the sixth pit and the eighth circle is for?
Let's be mindful not to fall from grace.
Seamus, are you aware?
seamus coughlin
I don't remember.
It's been a while since I looked at Dante.
tim pool
Yeah.
Was six the wrathful?
unidentified
Let's look.
tim pool
Let's.
phil labonte
I never knew at all.
brett dasovic
For the guy creating AI videos and the world, the data centers.
That's who it is.
thomas renz
I haven't looked at that since college.
tim pool
Dante's Inferno.
seamus coughlin
Six, this for heretics.
What was the other book they mentioned?
unidentified
Eight.
tim pool
Eight is fraud.
Oh, sorry.
Seven was five was wrath, the wrathful.
They fight on the surface of the river sticks.
brett dasovic
Eight is fraud.
tim pool
Yeah.
And when you go to the Ninth Circle of Hell, you are trapped in the mouth of Satan for eternity as he chews you.
And you just get chewed up.
brett dasovic
Drinking liquid death water bottles.
tim pool
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I'll definitely want to pick that up.
Tom, do you want to shout anything out?
thomas renz
Hey, listen, I appreciate you guys letting me be here.
We got a little show nowhere near this size, the Tom Ren show.
We're on Rumble.
We're on X. We're on YouTube when we're not censored, which is pretty much every day.
So we're not much there.
But, you know, if following any support, we're going to continue fighting for the freedom and fighting for all the things we're talking about and standing against this tyranny.
Keep an eye.
We're doing some stuff.
You're going to see some stuff coming on informed consent and ensuring parental rights and stopping medical kidnapping.
And if you don't know what that is, look it up.
unidentified
Right on.
brett dasovic
Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X at Brett Dasevik on both of those platforms.
And if you want to avoid black pills, what you should do is tune into Pop Culture Crisis.
We have a lot of fun Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
Nothing so serious as what is going on here tonight.
Hope to see you there.
seamus coughlin
My name is Seamus Coughlin.
I create animated cartoons and political satire.
Myself and my team have amassed over 290 billion views and over a million subscribers with zero dollars spent on marketing.
The reason we do this is because the people producing most of the entertainment media in this country today hate you.
They hate your way of life and they hate your values.
And they are slowly chipping away at the culture you live in through their propaganda.
That's why we're stepping into the fight by creating a full-length animated show.
The episodes are going to be around 20 minutes or longer.
Go over to twistedplots.com and support us in this fight because we can't win the culture war unless we're making culture.
I've got the team, I've got the values, and I've got the experience.
And if you give me your support, I will be unstoppable.
phil labonte
I am Phil that remains on Twix.
I just did a feature with a band called Zillion.
The song is called Cannibals.
You can pre-order that right now on Spotify.
Head on over to Zillion's Spotify page.
It'll be available on 1017, my band, All That Remains.
You can check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer.
Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
I'm just going to mention something real quick.
Tonystapwater.com.
unidentified
What's this?
tim pool
This is Alkaline Water.
I've not actually looked into all of their marketing or anything, but they have canned water, and I don't see Death to Plastic written anywhere.
It just says based in Austin, Texas, Tony's Tapwater, tired of BS, straight out of a reverse osmosis machine.
Huh.
How about that?
We'll see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
Thanks for hanging out.
I don't know if you wanted to continue that train of thought.
I was saying that I'm not a former liberal.
I am a current liberal, but left and right in this country is basically pro- or anti-America.
thomas renz
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's, you know, it sounds like reductive, but it really is it.
I can talk about how I want certain, you know, like healthcare policies or whatever, but America is great.
The traditional family is great.
Christmas morning is the American dream.
And then the, and I don't want to sterilize kids.
And they're like, you're right wing because of that.
And it's like right wing just means you're pro-America.
thomas renz
Yeah, no, no question about it.
Like, you know, I mean, you go back in 2019, you know, like I was pro-vax, I was pro-pharma, pro-this, pro-that.
You know, then I have the great awakening that occurs, you know, with 2020 and all the stuff that occurred.
And I've been fighting ever since.
But, you know, it's like, well, you hate everybody that's different from me.
No, I don't hate everybody that's different from me.
I don't care what you believe.
I stand for your right to speak and to think and do whatever you do, whatever you believe.
But, you know, I don't know.
It's kind of a crazy thing.
You know, I'm not so much, I don't know how I can be right-wing.
I'm not really a big fan of a lot of the Republicans.
I'm certainly not a Democrat.
I mean, I'm just kind of a guy that's looking for truth.
So it's kind of hard, but you get slotted into one of two categories.
And I am unapologetically pro-American.
I'm pro-Godfamily country.
And I guess that makes me a nutbag right-wing whatever.
tim pool
So, you know, I made this point about the cult of the left.
And I was talking to the guys from Trigonometry.
And this clip went super viral.
They were like, well, I could just as easily say the right is a cult.
And I said, and you'd be wrong.
And then I said, Elon Musk, former liberal, Donald Trump, former liberal, Tulsi Gammer, Gabbard, former liberal, Tim Poole, former liberal, Colin Wright, former liberal.
All of these former liberals disagreeing with conservatives on all these issues.
And it's a disparate political group that have come together.
The left is homogenous.
And I said, if someone on the right disagrees with someone on the right, they have an argument about it.
If you on the left disagree with them, they will physically attack you.
thomas renz
Literally.
Literally.
I mean, you know, you mentioned Portland, right?
So I was in Portland.
I did a speech in Portland on COVID stuff.
And this was post-George Floyd riots, right?
And I don't know if you've been out there in the last few years, but like when I went into Portland, like I'm flying in and you've got, you know, the mountains and all this beautiful stuff.
You land and you see the city across the way and it's like, man, this place looks like it's utopia, right?
And then you're driving in and you start seeing the homeless encampments everywhere.
And then when you get to the actual city, it looks like the zombie apocalypse hit.
I mean, it's like you've got a homeless encampment in front of the Gucci store or whatever.
And, you know, listen, I don't know.
I mean, I'm like watching for needles as I'm walking around.
We do a speech.
You know, the good liberal free speech bastion, you know, I got Antifa there making threats.
I mean, it's insanity.
It's just absolute insanity.
phil labonte
It's like no help from the police, right?
thomas renz
No, I didn't see any police around.
I'll tell you that.
brett dasovic
How could Antifa do that?
I thought they were just an idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
thomas renz
Yeah.
And just kind of this amorphous group of people that just happened to keep showing up, except for, you know, like everybody here can do a couple searches and figure out, you know, some power structure.
Everyone except for our federal government, they don't seem to be able to figure out who to charge on this.
brett dasovic
Yeah.
So that was, you were giving that speech in Portland, like how long after the riots?
thomas renz
It was during COVID.
I would say probably, I mean, I'm guessing it was 2022.
It might have been 2021.
brett dasovic
I think a little bit after the still not great.
I mean, I'm like, I was in, I was in, I lived in Minnesota during the riots.
thomas renz
Oh, man.
Well, you made it out.
brett dasovic
Well, there's, so I was in like an outskirt.
Like, I didn't live in Minneapolis.
I lived in West St. Paul.
unidentified
But even then, you know, you're 35, 40 minutes from the city.
brett dasovic
They were still closing down businesses and blocking off roads because of people who were roving about at that time.
So.
thomas renz
Well, I mean, this comes down to what we were talking about during the show.
I don't understand.
And I, I mean, I got to be honest with you.
I'm trying to be polite about it.
phil labonte
This is the after show.
You don't have to.
unidentified
Okay.
thomas renz
So then I can just tell you, I'm fucking pissed.
I'm sorry, guys.
There is no reason.
I mean, a half-assed lawyer could do better than what Pam Bondi's doing.
You've got the entire power of the DOJ.
Look at what they did to the J6ers that now we're seeing all this evidence come out that it was part of a Democrat plot.
How many FBI agents were there, right?
I mean, we're seeing all this coming out.
The DOJ, I can tell you as an attorney, when you got to fight the DOJ, you just shake your head because they're going to come in and they can bring 100 Harvard-trained lawyers, the best lawyers you're ever going to find.
They don't care how much money they have to spend to research every single sentence of the case.
They can research the case law.
There's no budget.
You know, I go into court.
It's like, okay, can my client afford to have my paralegal do extra research?
And it's like, it's not even close.
And it's all about, it's like walking into a fight with Tyson at his prime and saying, well, I only had about an hour a day to train for this, but I'm going to give it a shot.
Good luck.
You know, good luck.
unidentified
So I don't know.
thomas renz
So, Tim, I don't know if you mind me bringing this up, but like, I'm super passionate about this.
This just happened today.
So I get a call from a mom, and this is the second mom I've gotten a week.
This is happening, and this is happening big, like California, because Newsom just signed a bunch of bills.
It was an AB, it might have been 495.
I can't remember what the number is.
But he just passed a bill basically allowing where anybody can make a complaint to CPS about any kid.
And then CPS has the power to take action against families.
We're seeing this medical kidnapping stuff happening.
And for anybody that doesn't know what that is, in the two cases that I'm dealing with right now, one's in Oklahoma, and I just got word out of one in Florida.
I can't talk about the details of it yet.
But in both cases, you got CPS getting a report that mom and dad aren't doing the correct medical treatment, right?
Not that they weren't doing medical treatment.
They were in both cases.
Not that they weren't taking care of their kids, but it wasn't the correct medical treatment.
CPS has a hearing, right?
Mom and dad aren't even there.
They didn't know this.
So guilty until proven innocent.
They come, they take the kids.
And then the parents have to try and get, you know, scramble to get an attorney, get everything ready so they can go to the follow-up hearing and try and get their kids back.
Meanwhile, they take the kids.
The kids immediately go into treatment that mom and dad may have religious issues with.
Maybe they think it's wrong.
In the one case, the one out of Oklahoma, check this out.
This kid has leukemia, right?
He spent a year doing conventional treatment.
It didn't work at all.
The kid was in terrible shape.
It was awful.
So the kid gets done with this conventional treatment.
Mom's like, hey, it's not working.
So she goes to a naturopath.
The kid starts recovering.
He's doing great.
So like two, three days before CPS comes in, he's mowing the lawn.
Okay.
So he's no longer in the hospital.
He's not like, you know, he's mowing the lawn.
CPS says, oh my God, you're not getting, you know, whatever, whatever treatment.
Now, mind you, CPS gets paid extra money, extra money for every kid they got in custody.
They get like bonus money.
And the hospital gets all sorts of extra money for saying, if you don't do this treatment, you know, so they get paid for the treatment.
So the hospital, CPS, you know, collude, essentially, say, well, this kid's got, they take this kid, they put him in the hospital, and now this kid is still in the hospital, like a week and a half later, not because we didn't do the job.
His lawyer, Daniel McClure, who I've been working with, great guy, we won the case.
Okay.
The kids, but the kid was in such bad health because they start poisoning this kid immediately.
phil labonte
So they started, they restart.
So he stopped doing the chemo, started recovering because the mother gave him some other treatment or brought him something else.
And then when they took him into custody, they started doing chemo again, which was making him sick.
tim pool
You know, you know what he needed?
He needed a crisp, refreshing bottle.
thomas renz
If he had a bottle on there.
He would have been, he would have been.
Oh, there we go.
unidentified
I love drinking pool water.
tim pool
She drinks through the cap.
It's massive.
unidentified
Well.
brett dasovic
It looks like a drink.
I love drinking pool water.
phil labonte
It's funny.
You can see the cap still on when she drinks.
brett dasovic
It's like when you watch the AI when they're shooting guns and their finger isn't even on the trigger and the gun's going off.
thomas renz
I think you almost ought to keep the cap on.
unidentified
This makes it even funnier.
tim pool
Why is she drinking through the cap?
Anyway, sorry for interrupting you.
thomas renz
No, no, that's much better than anything I have to say.
But anyway, so this sort of stuff's happening around the country.
And like, as a parent, you don't know that this is like something that can happen to you.
brett dasovic
Well, the state feels that they have a right to your children.
thomas renz
They do under the law.
They do.
brett dasovic
They feel that they know better for your children.
thomas renz
Luckily, we're working in Oklahoma and we have several other states that may be coming on.
They're going to pass.
We're working to get legislation passed to try and make sure that informed consent and medical kidnapping are a real thing because that's another thing.
Do y'all know that you don't have a legal right to informed consent?
You go to your doctor, you think you got that?
No, you don't.
No, you don't.
It's all common law.
tim pool
A lot of people ask me about.
thomas renz
It's all secondary.
So like, we're hitting a lot of this crazy stuff.
But this is why, you know, when we talk about what's happening with Trump and the lack of enforcement, I mean, it's right down to people say, well, it can't affect me, right?
It doesn't matter to me.
I live in rural Nebraska.
Well, right.
You could live in rural Oklahoma and CPS takes your kid.
If you're unengaged, if you aren't paying attention, that's why, you know, this is why what you're doing, Tim, is so critical.
If we're not educating the public about what's going on, if they don't realize, hey, my kids can be taken from me because we've stood aside too long and let, you know, let the government get that far out of control.
phil labonte
Mercifully, that's a state issue.
And states, you know, you don't have a national or federal CPS, thank God.
thomas renz
Thank you.
phil labonte
Yeah, because that would be an absolute shit show.
But to your point, like, you do have to know what your state laws are like, and you have to know what your state is going to do in certain situations.
You know, there's a lot of people that don't believe that the government will take their kids.
Yeah.
I'm sure there are millions of people that live in California that just don't believe that the government will take their kids.
But obviously, the government will take their kids if you do something that the government has deemed is unacceptable.
And that could mean, you know, preventing your child from beginning gender conversion therapy, taking medications that will inhibit puberty, those kind of things, which there's no actual medical basis, right?
It's all just conjecture and arguments by people that are mentally ill.
thomas renz
Yeah.
phil labonte
But if you don't do those things, they might take your kid from you and say, oh, well, you know, we need to make sure that this kid is getting the care they need.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's like you would say, because they don't care about the medical basis.
unidentified
No.
seamus coughlin
They care about hurting your child.
phil labonte
Yep.
They want more people that believe the things that they do.
And the best way to ensure that is by making sure that there are more people that are taking, you know, drugs that change their bodies.
And then the whole psychological part of, well, you know, I don't want to admit that I was hurt or that kind of stuff comes up.
unidentified
gonna go to callers but before we do uh we're gonna play this for you I love drinking pool water.
phil labonte
Perfect.
unidentified
I can tell.
Oh, man.
All right.
Let's grab some callers.
We've got Clarence.
What is up?
phil labonte
What's up, Clarence?
unidentified
Howdy, howdy.
seamus coughlin
How are you?
unidentified
Gonna preface this, Mr. Coughlin.
My question is mostly for you.
seamus coughlin
Oh, nice.
unidentified
And I will donate to your campaign if I get a spoon out of the out of this.
seamus coughlin
Oh, come on.
Listen, that is, listen, that is not one of the rewards that we can promise.
I also don't have any spoons, despite what you may have been told.
You know me.
You know, I would never do that.
You know, I would never do that.
phil labonte
If Shane ever came up with a line of silverware, they would have to be called your mom's silverware because that's where he got them in the first place.
unidentified
But so, my question is for you: anyone on the panel, feel free to give an answer and give your input.
As a man of faith, how do you deal with the thought of not doing enough for the ones that you love or your community?
If you're already reaching out, making sure you're washing the feet of others and going out of your way to make sure others' needs are met before yourself.
How do you deal with that feeling of emptiness or that you could be doing more?
seamus coughlin
That's a really good question.
So, I think the first thing to consider is whether that feeling is based in reality or whether you're feeling negatively about yourself, A, for unrelated reasons, or B, because you have false expectations for what it actually means to live out your Christian life faithfully or your standards aren't in the right place.
So, one of the most important things about the Christian life is living in reality.
We are incarnate.
Our faith is an incarnate faith, and it's something that's supposed to be lived out.
It's not just lofty ideals.
Part of knowing what you're supposed to do is what you can prudentially, based on the facts of your life, actually live out.
So, for example, if I am a husband and a father, or a woman is a wife and a mother, the primary duty she has to God is to live out that vocation faithfully, right?
That person is not someone who has to go over to Africa on a mission trip or something like that.
And this is something Mother Teresa said, actually.
She said, So many Americans say to me, How can I help?
How do I go to other parts of the world where people are destitute and give them what they need?
And she said, Most of you people in Western countries actually have a spiritual poverty, and you need to stay in your country and address that and help fix that.
So, that would be the first part of my answer is to say there's a spiritual poverty, which is very important for us to try to give charity in order to help solve that isn't talked about.
So, your concern about living a Christian life is not simply, even though it is important to help the poor, it's not just about helping the poor.
It's about doing things for those around you, loving those closest to you.
And then that circle starts to expand.
First and foremost, you give to God, and then you have your family, and you, of course, are giving to God through what you give to your family because God gave you that family.
And then there's your friends, your community, you know, extended family, these kinds of things, and it moves out that way.
So, firstly, before I say any more, does that help address any of your question, or are you coming from a different place?
unidentified
That addresses a good number of it with the whole like kind of helping the community, I guess.
seamus coughlin
Just like what can I ask, if you don't mind me asking specifically, what is it about your community that you feel you need to do more for?
unidentified
Just that I need to have a bigger role in it, especially in the church family, even though I already sit on the board to help maintain the building and make sure everything runs smoothly, as well as helping the food pantry and making sure that others in the community.
What do you mean by bigger?
seamus coughlin
I'm trying to.
unidentified
I don't really know.
seamus coughlin
Okay, so this is what you have to remember.
I think this is also a Mother Teresa quote: to do small things with great love.
There are specific things God might be calling you to do, and the most important thing for you to do is them.
So, we know, for example, based on like what Paul said about celibacy, there are certain lifestyles that are higher than others, right?
Living exactly the way Jesus did, vow of poverty, vow of celibacy.
I mean, that's a higher calling than marriage, unless you're called to be married, because the best calling for you is what God actually made you to do.
And most of us are people who he made to get married and not to be monks, not to be religious.
So, you have to remember that you can't let your ambition about what is objectively better or worse, or what is objectively good and then more good or less good, get in the way of seeing that what is actually best for you in terms of your walk in life is doing what God wants from you.
So, you're saying you need a bigger role.
If you feel called to something else, maybe there's something you need to look into.
But if you feel like what you're doing is smaller than what other people are doing, it's very possible that that is just what God is calling you to.
And at the end of your life, he'll say, Well done, my good and faithful servant, for helping to run the church, for what you're doing at the food pantry, because that is what he destined for your soul.
I can't answer that question for you, but just try to keep that in mind while discerning whether there is something quote unquote bigger for you.
phil labonte
Does that answer your question?
unidentified
Yes, sir.
seamus coughlin
Well, God bless you, man.
And pray for me.
And I'm not sure what kind of Christian you consider yourself, but the Catholic Church could use more good people like you.
unidentified
Well, we're just Catholicism light here at the Presbyterian.
seamus coughlin
So, wait, what's that?
unidentified
We're just Catholicism light.
We just don't have any of the pomp and circumstance.
seamus coughlin
Well, then I got a bigger role for you, brother.
But thank you so much for your call.
God bless you.
God bless you.
unidentified
He was well and everyone on the board.
phil labonte
Right.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in.
All right.
Next up, we've got Percent M. What is up?
unidentified
My son's body training started a couple of days ago.
seamus coughlin
Good for you.
How's that going?
unidentified
Yep.
My floors are the cleanest they have ever been.
My question tonight is actually for Tim.
Others on the panel are welcome to get at it, though.
First, I need to put some words in your mouth.
You've referenced behavioral sync several times, specifically citing the rat utopia experiment as proof that a society cannot recover from it.
However, the rats in that experiment didn't have conscious thought and operated purely on an instinctual level.
Considering that our modern society is increasingly prioritizing it and even rewarding negative behaviors, encouraging behavioral sync, do you think that behavioral sync in humans could be actively combated through a conscious effort to resist it, such as sentience or consciousness or even free will?
tim pool
Yes, I've also stated that we don't have the rat utopia conflict experiment where you connect the behavioral sync chamber to a non-behavioral sync chamber and see who wins.
So the issue that we're having here is that it seems cities are undergoing behavioral sync while rural areas are not.
And that's what's causing this principle clash.
I wonder what would happen if you took a rat utopia experiencing behavioral sync, connected a tube to another rat terrarium that wasn't experiencing behavioral sync, then see what happens.
I wonder.
But what I will say is not all humans are sentient.
Not all humans are conscious.
Some are figurative NPCs, call it literal NPCs if you want.
And that there is a conscious effort among two factions.
Those like the Krasnostines, for instance, who are like, who cares?
People are stupid.
Lie to them and get money and live comfortably.
And then there is the right faction that is, let's try to make everyone live better through honesty and integrity.
You decide.
But yes, I think the conscious element could.
The only problem is that we're up against evil.
People who think, who are well aware of what they're doing, but think there's no reason not to, and they will be evil.
So good luck, I guess.
Shamus, would you like to chime in?
seamus coughlin
I don't have anything else to add to that.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm cool with that.
Do you have anything you want to add?
Or anything you want to, any additional questions you have?
unidentified
The only follow-up I had, I didn't actually write it down, so it's kind of off the cuff, but it's basically like, I do think that humanity went through a period of behavioral sync at least once before, and that would be the fall of the Roman Empire.
I'm not a historian or an expert in any of that, so it's literally just my uneducated opinion on it.
But yeah, I mean, it took us 700 years, but we did crawl our way out of that.
So I think it is possible for humans to get beyond it.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's also fascinating, too, because a good point was brought up in the initial question and Tim's response about animals and the fact that obviously humans have higher faculties, but humans have higher faculties.
And yet there is, of course, a part of us that seems to like revert to these animal instincts or act in animalistic ways because our passions and emotions aren't subjugated by reason.
So I still think it's a very helpful way to conceptualize this because people who reject the use of reason in order to do what's easy and what's feel good and what feels good effectively do act like animals because they just go based on instinct and based on like pleasure, pain, reward paths in their brain.
tim pool
Yep.
phil labonte
That's how most people behave, though.
seamus coughlin
Unfortunately, I think that's increasingly true.
But it's on a spectrum.
I think maybe a lot of people will behave like that, you know, a large percentage of the time, but there's still moments of lucidity where they go, you know, that isn't something I should do.
I think it's on a spectrum.
I think it's on a spectrum.
phil labonte
I think it's on a spectrum for some people.
I think that people nowadays really do default to whatever feels good.
And there's very, very few people that think about any of their behavior before they do it.
seamus coughlin
Well, and many people in general don't think all that much about their behavior on the day-to-day because we run on autopilot.
But this is part of why people understood in the past it was so important to raise your children with virtue.
Because if you're virtuous, then being on autopilot is doing the virtuous thing.
Even if autopilot might not be the best way to describe that.
And so I want to be clear: when I'm saying these things, this is not me going, I shame is the paragon of virtue.
Like, of course, I default to what feels good and I have vices and all of that.
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