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Oct. 17, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Trump Admin CATCHES Illegal Immigrant POLICE OFFICER, Democrats ARM Illegal In Chicago | Timcast IRL
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adam johnson
07:13
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curtis sliwa
07:07
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phil labonte
11:44
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seamus coughlin
16:58
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tim pool
59:47
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zohran mamdani
06:06
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andrew cuomo
04:51
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david ushery
02:20
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mary morgan
04:31
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melissa russo
02:28
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sally goldenberg
01:49
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ben shapiro
00:26
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jb pritzker
00:38
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tim pool
Believe it or not, ICE arrested a cop in Chicago in a suburb.
There was a police officer who was actually an illegal immigrant.
And this story actually is blowing up across the internet because people are shocked to discover that there are illegal immigrant police officers.
But there's a ton.
You know, in California, they've got a bunch.
There are DACA recipient police officers.
These Democrat jurisdictions have been giving governmental public authority to arrest.
They're giving non-citizens the right to arrest American citizens.
And now, when ICE goes into Chicago, this is what happens.
I got a prediction for this weekend, and I hope I'm wrong.
The No Kings protests are expected to be all across the country, massive in Washington, D.C., but also in Chicago, New York, LA, Portland.
Well, in the past couple of weeks, we've had some, let's just say, detrimental rulings from judges in Illinois.
Trump can't deploy the National Guard.
ICE can't put up security barriers.
And what do you think is going to happen when you get a mass protest in an area where police have been instructed they can't defend themselves and the National Guard can't be deployed to protect them?
And CPD has been told to stand down.
And there have been three rammings of DHS agents already.
I hope I'm wrong, but it sounds like this weekend could be pretty bad.
Now we've got some other stories.
John Bolton got indicted.
Surprisingly, it's not our lead because, well, it's big news, but Bolton's not like a high-level politician or anything.
He's just kind of a bad dude who ran with some bad boys.
So him getting indicted is news.
But I'll tell you what's really interesting.
Call she is now predicting that the midterm race is 50-50.
This bucks the historical trend of the opposition party winning the midterms.
Now we're still a year away, but the prediction market is saying Republicans, it's a coin toss that they maintain control of the house.
This is going to get crazy, ladies and gentlemen.
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Joining us tonight, my friends, talk about this and so much more.
We've got Adam Johnson.
adam johnson
Hey, what's going on, everyone?
tim pool
Who are you?
What are you doing?
adam johnson
My name is Adam Johnson.
I'm a recently pardoned terrorist.
Terrible human being in general, if you ask how the population.
tim pool
Former Speaker of the House.
adam johnson
Former Speaker of the House.
Short of tenure, but you know, I earned it.
I have a book out.
It's been five years in the making.
The government told me part of the plea deal was I couldn't write a book and sell it, but since the pardon, I can.
So it's called Take Gay Stand.
And you can buy it on my website, unlicensedfurnituremovers.com.
tim pool
Did you use a pseudonym for your book, Via Getty?
adam johnson
I did not.
It's actually written by a guy you saw on the internet once.
tim pool
Is that what it says?
adam johnson
It says that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So for those that don't know, when the first photo came out of Adam carrying the lecture, like you picked it up and put it down, basically, it said the photo was Via Getty, which means Getty's image distribution.
And what, like some liberals thought your name was Via Getty?
adam johnson
Yes.
There was actually a pretty prominent journalist that made a tweet about it saying, this is Via Getty.
If you have any information, please let us know.
tim pool
Do you guys remember when I can't remember the guy's name?
He was at Ferguson during the riots and there were some earplugs on the ground.
He's like, are these rubber bullets?
And like all, it's funny because like me and my buddies who did like actual conflict reporting face palmed in embarrassment.
Like, why are you here?
You know?
But Adam, it's great to have you back on the show.
So it should be fun and funny.
We look forward to hearing from you.
We got Seamus hanging out.
seamus coughlin
My name's Seamus Coughlin.
Over the past 11 years, myself and my team have created over 600 animated cartoons.
And the reason we're doing this is because you can't win the culture war without creating culture.
And as it currently stands, the entertainment industry is dominated by people who hate our values, who hate our way of life, and who I believe hate our country.
If you want to help us fight back and become the new entertainment media and compete with Hollywood, help us create the show that we're currently working to fund.
We've already made the 25-minute long pilot.
The show is called Twisted Plots.
It's an anthology series that promotes our values, not through ham-fisted monologues or preaching, but good story and good jokes.
So go over to twistedplots.com.
Help us fight this culture war.
Again, we can't do it without making culture.
Thank you so much.
tim pool
And if you would see as I see and you would seek as I seek, then I ask you all to go to twistedplots.com and give $50 now to win the culture war.
I could go, but come on.
seamus coughlin
Agreed.
tim pool
You know, I keep telling Seamus, it's just quote Viva Vendella.
Mary's hanging out.
mary morgan
Hi, everyone.
My name is Mary Morgan.
You can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Timcast.
We're actually going to have Seamus on tomorrow.
And I'm glad that you broke the ice with your shilling there because I have some shilling to do as well.
I'm currently enjoying a cup of my very own Mary's Ghost Blend, which you can now get at castbrew.com.
It's s'mores flavored.
It's perfect for autumn nights.
You're chilling around the campfire.
You're telling ghost stories.
It's perfect for this season.
So make sure you get a bag before Halloween.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Philabonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Buy their stuff.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
So much to buy.
Here's a story from CNN.
ICE arrests police officer in Chicago suburb and accuses him of being in the U.S. illegally.
A lot of people are really shocked by the story, but what I find really funny about it is that we've known there are illegal immigrant police officers for some time.
This is just starting to shock people.
So it is the lead.
Check this out.
ICE agents arrested a police officer Thursday morning in the Chicago suburb of Hanover Park.
I once lived there briefly.
Accusing him of being an unlawful immigrant.
I like to say unlawful from Montenegro.
The DHS officer, I'm sorry, DHS says the officer, Raduel Bojovic.
Is that how you say that, Bojovic?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Overstated tourist visa that expired in 2015.
According to the department, Bojovic was encountered during a targeted enforcement action in ICE's immigration-focused operation in Illinois.
The Hanover Park Police Department shared a Facebook post in August announcing Bojavic's recent graduation from the Suburban Law Enforcement Academy, and they had started an intensive 15-week weeks of field training and evaluation as he continues preparing to serve the Hanover Park community.
CNN reached out to the Hanover Park Police for a comment and has attempted to contact Bojovic.
Is it Bojovic?
I don't know if you pronounce it.
Bojevich.
He violated our nation's laws and was living illegally in the U.S. for 10 years.
What kind of police department gives criminal illegal aliens badges and guns?
It's a felony for aliens to even possess a firearm.
A law enforcement officer who is actively breaking the law said DHS Assistant Secretary Trisha McLaughlin in a statement to CNN on Thursday in September, ICE agents arrested the superintendent of Iowa's largest school district, accusing him of being in the country illegally since the early 2000s.
I don't, oh, oh, and by the way, leftists, he's white.
phil labonte
Right?
It's a big deal.
seamus coughlin
That proves it.
Wait a minute.
So you're telling me it's not motivated by racism?
phil labonte
No, that's proof that it is racism.
They're only doing it because he's white.
tim pool
Yeah, because the fact that he was able to become a cop proves racism exists.
unidentified
Exactly.
phil labonte
All the Latinos are all Spanish descent, so they're white too.
So that's why it's all racism.
seamus coughlin
That's a very good question.
tim pool
This is, I don't think people understand the extent to which the Democrats over the past 10 or so years, longer, 20, have been literally shredding this country up.
We sat here for the most part, American citizens, assuming that our leaders were being good stewards of our American tradition and this country.
They were actually opening the door for non-citizens to vote, to be law enforcement officers, to work in our public institutions.
They were attempting to dismantle this country.
And wait, there's more.
Take a look at this from the LA Times.
This is from earlier in the year.
LAPD has immigrant officers protected by DACA.
In other words, they have illegal immigrant police officers that have deferred status.
That is the current state.
Could Trump try to deport them?
Yes, he could rescind DACA and he should.
And it is insane that we've come to this point.
And I know there's going to be a lot of people.
You know, Rogan was saying recently, like, these guys have been here for 20 years, have a heart, they should stay.
This is the same argument they made in the 80s and the 90s.
And every single time they promise they will not do it again, they'll say, okay, let's grant amnesty to these people who've been here for like 20 years, but we just won't do it again.
And then they do.
So it is not callous to say, guys, three strikes and you're out.
phil labonte
Look, everyone that's illegal has to go.
adam johnson
Don't they?
phil labonte
That's all there is to it.
adam johnson
Don't they do background checks?
Shouldn't this have flagged somewhere?
I know that when I was on federal probation, I couldn't get a job at Walmart and McDonald's.
One of the requirements was he had to be gainfully employed or go to college.
So I couldn't get a job at Walmart or McDonald's because I had a felony theft that I was charged with.
They said I was a loss prevention issue.
phil labonte
So I assume that they, if they did do, or my assumption, right, this isn't like I know anything, but I assume that they were going by the standards set by the Obama administration, which was DACA recipients can stay and they get to be treated as if they're legally here.
So if that is the case, and again, this is just an assumption.
If that's the case, it does make sense.
They'll be like, well, it's fine.
He's a deferred action.
So because he's deferred action, we're going to go ahead and allow him to get a job.
adam johnson
Well, I know in Iowa, they used a third party to do the background check on the superintendent.
So they washed their hands of it and said, this isn't our fault.
We used a party.
They must have missed it.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know what the deal is, obviously, but like now, new sheriffs in town got to go.
adam johnson
I don't care.
seamus coughlin
But have you guys considered that no human being is illegal?
phil labonte
I have considered that, and then I rejected it out of hand because you got to go back.
Everybody here, everybody that's here illegally has to go.
Goodbye.
adam johnson
I was told that trespassing is bad.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
phil labonte
Exactly.
You were, weren't you?
Someone said that.
tim pool
Yeah, a while ago.
Who said such a thing?
That's not correct.
You're allowed to go wherever you want, whenever you want, and stay there forever.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
adam johnson
Oh, okay.
seamus coughlin
Because borders are an imaginary line.
adam johnson
I think that's a good idea.
seamus coughlin
Borders are an imaginary line.
What can I do about it?
tim pool
I think when people start to realize how many people have been granted authority, I mean, Democrats in San Francisco, I think, or I'm sorry, it might have been Sacramento, but California and New York were trying to pass resolutions that illegal immigrants would be able to vote.
The argument was, if you live here, you can vote.
Now, of course, the Democrats are going to argue, no, no, this wasn't about illegal immigrants, but that's the game they play because to a Democrat, no one's illegal.
So literally, by virtue of being here, you're our neighbor.
Now, what happens?
seamus coughlin
A friend we haven't made yet.
That's what I always say.
You can say they're just friends we haven't made yet.
tim pool
What happens when Democrats bring in 20 million people and then Trump tries to enforce against these people who are here?
They will scream Iudime in the streets and other illegal immigrants will attack the police to protect them.
Because if you own a house and three guys break in and you, the homeowner, say, get out of my house, do you think these men are going to say, sure, or do you think they're going to say, no, we outvote you?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they'll probably say they outvote you.
They'll say, squatter's rights.
tim pool
They'll probably just attack you and take your stuff.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
adam johnson
They probably won't have a chance to speak in my house if they break in.
tim pool
See, that's the thing, though.
I got to pause you there.
That would be the case if you were arguing you had the monopoly on violence as the authority in your house.
But let's try another analogy.
You live in your home and you have a roommate who has asserted the authority to enforce the rules of the apartment and they hand their gun to one of these guys who broke in and say he's in charge now.
That's basically what we're seeing in our cities.
When you have an illegal immigrant who's a cop, he's going to tell you what for.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He's going to lock American citizens up and we're going to pay for it for these guys who are not citizens.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's totally wild.
I'm also curious to see what the left is going to say about this because ICE has arrested them.
Are we going to get more like flip-flopping on law enforcement?
Are they going to start bellowing about how we need to support law enforcement in this country after they've been openly defying federal law enforcement and ICE?
adam johnson
These cities that are complaining are the same cities that were pepper bowling residents for being outside after curfew during COVID.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah.
adam johnson
So, you know, for them to say we care about our citizens, but that a few short years ago, we were locking people down and shooting them for being outside their front doorstep.
I mean, take a side.
phil labonte
Yeah, look, the only thing I have to say about this is all of the arguments surrounding it don't matter to me.
If they're here illegally, they got to go.
Yeah.
I mean, it doesn't matter.
tim pool
DACA recipients?
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't have a problem with sending DACA recipients back because if you're a DACA, if you're a DACA recipient, you can see the writing on the wall.
You need to prepare for the eventuality.
seamus coughlin
Well, and the idea that legislatively with a wave of the magic wand and without these people having gone through the traditional legal process to enter, they could just be given this protected status has been the game the Democrats have been trying to play with illegal immigration for years and years.
And most notably under the Biden administration, when they were saying these people had temporary protected status or when activist judges set the precedent that if somebody says that they're afraid to go back or request asylum, they are therefore here legally because they're an asylum seeker.
It's ridiculous.
So you can't allow them to morally grandstand on this and say those people are protected.
You can't send them back because they fabricated out of whole cloth a set of rules that gave those people special protections, even though they already broke immigration law to get in here.
adam johnson
Well, that's how we have birthright citizenship.
It's the same thing.
They say, well, think about the children.
They use them as pawns to keep the whole family here.
That's also got to go.
Birthright citizenship go.
seamus coughlin
But thinking about your children, that's fascism, right?
Thinking about how you can make the best possible country for your own children, that's fascism.
You have to think about everyone else's kids instead.
I don't.
phil labonte
I don't have to do that.
I'm not going to do that.
And I don't care what names they call me.
They've already called me all the names.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
phil labonte
They've called me all the names that they can call me.
So all of that stuff is like water off a duck's back.
I don't care.
They got to go.
tim pool
Have you ever seen a duck in the rain?
They just stop moving and stand there to minimize the amount of exposure to the rain so the water just rolls off.
Videos are hilarious.
It'll be like 10 ducks just like this.
And they don't move.
phil labonte
And it just keeps going right off.
tim pool
That's what we're doing.
And we can't do that.
I mean, you've got to get out of the rain.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Well, look, whether it's rainy or not, they're going to call me names, so I don't care.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think Chicago this weekend is going to get absolutely insane.
The judge said no barriers.
The judge said no National Guard.
And now you've got exposed DHS that have already been rammed numerous times.
So it's almost like the judges are intentionally creating a circumstance where there's going to be murders or they're going to force the cops to engage rioters during the No Kings protests.
I got a question for you guys.
Yeah.
Should we watch the New York City debate?
We're at the halfway mark.
unidentified
I'd be interested in seeing snippets of it.
tim pool
Let's roll with it.
Let's jump to the New York City mayoral debate because we'll see what we got going on.
andrew cuomo
In Albany, as a sponsor to decriminalize prostitution.
zohran mamdani
The difference between myself and Andrew Cuomo, of which there are many, is that there is no one woman who is a prostitute.
andrew cuomo
That would be decriminalized.
That is what the bill says.
And that's what he said, if you listen very carefully.
That would take Roosevelt Avenue and explode it because it would make it legal for prostitutes.
unidentified
Real quick, how would you have a situation?
andrew cuomo
You have to enforce the law.
It's illegal.
I went to Roosevelt Avenue.
zohran mamdani
I talked to the store owners.
andrew cuomo
I talked to the neighbors.
unidentified
I walked down Roosevelt Avenue with prostitutes there at 9 o'clock in the morning.
tim pool
I'd be like, wait, why?
Why walk down Roosevelt Avenue?
Yeah, why was he doing that?
curtis sliwa
With open-air prostitution and Times Square.
You don't go after the women.
The women are the victims here.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
curtis sliwa
You lock up the Johns, you shame the Johns.
You let everybody know about the Johns.
The Madams and the Pimps need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
And these absentee landlords who knowingly rent their rooms.
The use of prostitution.
The Department of Buildings should come in, padlock the building, seeking to stay.
tim pool
It's not the prostitute's family.
curtis sliwa
Many of these landlords live in Delaway, Florida.
seamus coughlin
Sometimes it is factual.
It's not a problem.
curtis sliwa
We did it.
seamus coughlin
And Her never shoots you.
curtis sliwa
And they're doing it again.
And so enforcement.
That's why the prostitution for Sally now.
sally goldenberg
Thank you, David.
We're going to talk a bit about experience and beliefs.
We've covered a lot of ground tonight, but we want to probe a bit deeper into each of your mindsets and how you'll approach governing.
seamus coughlin
I actually want to punish landlords who don't have a stronger.
sally goldenberg
You have touted your experience on the campaign trail time and again.
But you pretty squarely lost the Democratic primary to Mr. Ramdani, forcing you, a lifelong Democrat, to run as an independent.
When you announced that decision, you said, quote, when you get knocked down, learn the lesson and pick yourself back up.
What lesson did you learn, and what do you feel it said about you, something you did wrong, something that you need to change about yourself?
andrew cuomo
Yeah, I think in the primary campaign, I did not do enough on social media, which is a very effective medium now.
I think the assemblymen did do a better job on TikTok and social media than I did during the campaign.
And that has changed now.
I've also increased my activity significantly.
But my agenda is exactly the same.
I am the Democrat, although I'm not on the Democratic line.
He is a Democratic socialist called Barack Obama evil and a liar.
Didn't vote for Kamala Harris.
unidentified
Fight and deliver is I will fight for people.
andrew cuomo
I will fight the bureaucracy and I will deliver results.
New Yorkers need the mayor to get something done.
This is all words and theories.
tim pool
That actually is a lot of people.
unidentified
This is a question about me, the figures reflecting.
tim pool
He called Barack Obama a liar and didn't vote for Kamala.
So I'd be like, okay, tell me more.
I'm listening to this, right?
zohran mamdani
I just have to say, it's been an hour and 20 minutes of this debate, and we haven't heard Governor Cuomo say the word affordability.
That's why he lost the primary.
That's why he'll lose the general election.
And you can lie all you want, but the truth is I voted for Kamala Harris.
tim pool
I'm the only candidate.
I'm not the award of Kamala Harris.
zohran mamdani
And I'm not the one who's funded by Bill Ackman who called Kamala Harris unqualified to be the vice president of the United States.
tim pool
On social media worries on communism.
And he's saying things like these.
andrew cuomo
There are a lot of New Yorkers who support me.
And there are a lot of Jewish New Yorkers who support me because they think you're anti-Semitic.
So it's not about Trump.
seamus coughlin
I think that's why I'm a population loss over the past several years.
It's about you.
It's been a lot of time.
david ushery
Do you think he's anti-Semitic, Mr. Cuomo?
andrew cuomo
I don't make those judgments about people.
Are you a racist?
Are you an anti-Semite?
I know there are many Jewish people who believe he is anti-Semitic.
I believe not condemning the globalized intifada, what he has said about Hamas.
But I can see where they are.
melissa russo
Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt.
I covered your speech in an Upper West Side synagogue where you said anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
There is no difference.
And you were talking about Mr. Momdani.
Is that not an allegation?
andrew cuomo
No, I make that statement all the time.
I wasn't referring to Mondami.
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
david ushery
What does this say?
We have to move on.
zohran mamdani
I have denounced Hamas again and again.
It will never be enough for Andrew Cuomo because what he is willing to say, even though not on this stage, is to call me the first Muslim on the precipice of leading this city a terrorist sympathizer, is to send mailers that artificially lengthen my beard.
Is to say to New Yorkers that they should be in your favor.
david ushery
I will just all the storytelling.
I know there is a bad question.
melissa russo
Mr. Momdani, you are the Democratic nominee, and you're also a member, as we've been discussing, of a political organization that may be less familiar to New Yorkers, the Democratic Socialists of America, which believes in dismantling capitalism.
New York City is the global headquarters of the finance industry.
So how would you be the mayor of Wall Street and the DSA?
You have one minute.
zohran mamdani
I would be the mayor of this entire city.
And that means ensuring that the wealth that we generate is also wealth that every single New Yorker can actually feel in their pockets.
Because what we have today is a system that has generated the most wealth in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, where one in four of our neighbors are living in poverty.
tim pool
That's exactly based on the people.
zohran mamdani
You can't look at 500,000 kids hungry every single night as just the cost of doing business in this city.
That's something we have to actually change.
And I'm going to do that by fighting for my neighbors in Queens that I've come to know who are not only the ones who own teapots and toy stores, who own diners and dry cleaners, but also the ones who work there.
Because right now, all of them are being pushed out of this city by fortune by private equity by a politics that refuses to fight for them.
I will finally get to the point of view.
unidentified
Just a quick follow-up, Mr. Momdani.
A lot of Hispanic directly socialism are a little bit scared to hear your policies.
zohran mamdani
I would first say that I wouldn't be here without the support of Latino New Yorkers because it was the majority of their support that helped to make me the Democratic nominee so much more.
seamus coughlin
Democratic socialism is a belief in the Spanish words like every New Yorker in the Mexican restaurant.
tim pool
That's why I'm talking about child care.
It's like I say largely.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
unidentified
And the guy said, the way that we practice our politics in this country.
seamus coughlin
That's exactly what I'm saying.
And that's why I've literally had people, when I was at art school, I had someone 20 for saying Muslim and not price, and they were not even Muslim.
I was like, bro, I don't pronounce things in the accents native to most of the people who are in that category.
unidentified
That's not how it is.
seamus coughlin
When I'm talking about New York pizza, I don't call it a New York slice.
unidentified
Why do you believe New York is a little bit more visible?
seamus coughlin
You don't affect an accent whenever you pronounce something from a different region from the United States.
phil labonte
I don't say Brooklyn four years ago.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
curtis sliwa
And we would have chaos.
tim pool
Did I not?
curtis sliwa
Of course I did.
And I get praised for that.
Now I'm trying to get people to vote for me.
Not just on the Republican line, but also my wife Nancy, who is the best thing that has ever happened to me, created the first ever independent protect animals line, which calls for no-kill shelters and putting animal abusers in jail.
But the other thing that differentiates me from both of my adversaries is that I am opposed to this city of yes, which will destroy the residential neighborhood.
Both of them are for the city of yes.
So when you vote for me, whether on the Republican line or the protect animals line, turn your ballot on all those initiatives and referendums.
Imagine they've said, how can you, Curtis or Republican, work with a Democratic majority in the council?
Adrian Adams is in agreement with the Democratic City Council people who are in agreement with me.
tim pool
I think that's the only thing that I'm saying.
curtis sliwa
No, to the city of yes, which will take your homes and provide you instead of lithium-ion battery warehouses to your house, which are like miniature nobles.
I'm the only candidate who is opposed to the city of yes.
tim pool
We just wins.
unidentified
Just to imagine that.
sally goldenberg
How do you bring down costs if you don't build more housing?
curtis sliwa
Oh, it's very simple to build houses.
You just look in New York City.
We have so many dense areas where you no longer can use the commercial space that used to be officially in honor of Katana.
And you just convert it into residential housing.
You don't need to go into the outer world.
You don't need to use wetlands and parklands, which they seek to do.
If you build a new building, it takes five years.
If you convert in.
david ushery
All right, Mr. Sleeward, thank you.
We want to change the pace.
We're going to change the pace and just get a lot of money.
tim pool
How do you get cost of that building leadership?
david ushery
I'm curious about who you admire.
Who's the best modern-day U.S. president?
Mr. Cuomo?
tim pool
Donald Trump.
Barack Obama.
andrew cuomo
Modern day?
Well, I'm partial.
I was Bill Clinton's housing and urban development secretary.
We built affordable housing all across the United States.
seamus coughlin
We had the best secretaries back then.
zohran mamdani
No.
I would say FDR.
david ushery
Mr. Slewa.
andrew cuomo
He's modern day.
seamus coughlin
Even though he put people of a specific ethnicity for more than two terms.
All the things you're afraid of Trump will do?
curtis sliwa
A man that ended up being loved by Democrats and Republicans alike.
The greatest governor we've ever had in my lifetime, George Pataki.
Three terms, no chaos, no corruption.
david ushery
I was asked to.
andrew cuomo
actually president president president president president president president this governor and this modern u.s.
david ushery
president Yeah, who you thought are the best modern president?
curtis sliwa
The best president in our lifetime?
I would say the best president in our lifetime that I've experienced.
I would go back to Ronald Reagan.
david ushery
Ronald.
Okay.
How about the best New York City mayor, Mr. Sleewa?
tim pool
Yeah, that was only 40-some-odd years ago.
seamus coughlin
I just didn't expect to say Reagan.
curtis sliwa
Rudy Giuliani, who endorsed me last week.
And I'd have a little bit of Michael Bloomberg thrown in because he liked Mr. McDonald's responsibility.
zohran mamdani
I think the best New York City mayor of all time is Fiorello LaGuardia.
david ushery
Mr. Cuomo.
andrew cuomo
It was Bill de Blasio last debate.
zohran mamdani
No, I've always said Fiorella is the best mayor of all time.
andrew cuomo
Who's yours, Mr. Cuomo?
Is it of all time or modern time?
david ushery
Best New York City mayor in Europe.
andrew cuomo
Of all time, it is Fiorello LaGuardia.
We agree.
Recently, I would say Mayor Dinkins and Mayor Bloomberg.
Okay.
david ushery
How about the political leader, dead or alive, you most admire?
Mr. Momdani?
zohran mamdani
I would say I admire Bernie Sanders.
david ushery
Ms. Cuomo.
andrew cuomo
My father.
tim pool
Gross.
unidentified
I hate his smile.
seamus coughlin
I know.
curtis sliwa
I said it already.
seamus coughlin
George Patacy.
curtis sliwa
He was lovely.
He was a great Republican.
And the greatest mayor in our lifetime.
Great job, Douglas.
david ushery
I just have one more before Sally starts to ask you about schools, a show of hands.
Who supports Kathy Hochul for re-election?
tim pool
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
zohran mamdani
It's a decision that should be made after this general election.
david ushery
So no decision.
Mr. Cuomo, you hand picked her as your lieutenant, Governor.
No thought.
andrew cuomo
You have to know who's running.
david ushery
Okay, so.
zohran mamdani
And I would add that I do think that Kathy Hochl, our governor, has been doing a good job in not only delivering.
david ushery
Do you support her for re-election?
zohran mamdani
Not only delivering for New Yorkers, but also standing up to Donald Trump.
david ushery
Do you support her for reelection?
andrew cuomo
And then endorse her.
zohran mamdani
I'm focusing on November 2012.
I appreciate her support.
david ushery
And that's what Springer on the Diggy Cam.
unidentified
That's not absolutely Stephanie to take out Kathy Hochle.
curtis sliwa
Republican Mayor Curtis, a Republican governor like Julian.
david ushery
You want to talk about schools.
curtis sliwa
Save this city.
david ushery
You want to talk about schools, Sally?
unidentified
Okay.
sally goldenberg
Thank you, David.
Let's turn to education.
There are a number of yoga.
tim pool
It kind of feels like watching schools.
Like a presidential public.
sally goldenberg
One thing that's been controversial in the campaign is the gifted and talented programs.
I in any way accelerated.
tim pool
Even if it's not.
sally goldenberg
Mr. Momdani, you have said that you want to phase out the gifted and talented program while Mr. Cuomo and Mr. Sleevel want to expand it.
Mr. Sleebel, we will start with you.
What is your plan?
It's not going to win.
You have one.
unidentified
It's going to be a lot of fun.
curtis sliwa
Gifted and talented.
sally goldenberg
Yes, gifted and talented.
curtis sliwa
I have two younger sons with them Melinda Katz, the Queen's DA.
They both attempted to get into gifted and talented programs.
tim pool
He needs to just go as far right as he can just off the deep end.
unidentified
It did not have a Disney education.
curtis sliwa
We don't have enough slots.
Right now, they're 1,900.
We need to have at least 5,000 slots around the city.
What they have not done at the Department of Education is make these tests available in black and Hispanic communities.
So, for instance, you have 77,000 children who are four years old.
Only 10,000 have taken the test.
Only 2,000 are accepted.
Why not offer the test to all 77,000?
And even if a gifted and talented class only has three or four in a minority school, give these children an opportunity to excel too.
That would make it fair for everybody.
sally goldenberg
Thank you.
Mr. Cuomo, how does your plan differ from Mr. Sleebo's house?
seamus coughlin
I just wish I could vote for everyone there.
andrew cuomo
I support mayoral control.
I think it would be a nice thing.
tim pool
I just want to point out all moderate-leaning individuals have already fled New York education in 40 years.
It's basically like watching some post-apocalyptic dystopia and three hobos fight over the last city this past election.
mary morgan
We are in 2020.
andrew cuomo
Accessibility.
unidentified
He got 30% of 20 students that wanted to take someone.
seamus coughlin
Shockingly well in certain areas.
But he didn't want them to win flows.
andrew cuomo
Yeah, he wasn't going to be able to do nothing.
tim pool
Those that are wondering, we were thinking about not playing the debate.
We decided to because Zond Mamdani may end up the leader of the Democratic Party.
It's not a joke or an exaggeration.
His popularity in New York is skyrocketing.
You're going to have a Senate race coming up.
He may very well try to rocket himself to the front of the Democratic Party.
AOC can't do it.
sally goldenberg
He's a guy who has a talented program be fairly interesting.
seamus coughlin
Do you not think women are capable of anything men can do while wearing heels?
tim pool
When AOC came out of that rally with what was her name, Mike Bowman or whatever, and she was like, I was like, that raspy, high-pitched voice.
seamus coughlin
Sounds a little close to the SH word, bro.
tim pool
Which one is that?
seamus coughlin
Shrills.
Those are all shrill.
And I don't appreciate the dog with raspy.
mary morgan
She's a nasty woman.
adam johnson
She's also a little bit of a drink.
seamus coughlin
I'm not a part of this conversation.
tim pool
This is the leftist argument.
I'm going to be a leftist right now and say there is inherent sexism against women and AOC is not going to be able to win.
Look, I've done a nonprofit fundraising, and we talked about this all the time.
I was on Shaub and Cowan's podcast.
I love this point.
I'll ask you, Adam.
There are two characteristics, each one unique to a man to a woman, that ensures they will be excellent fundraisers.
Among men, what do you think is the one characteristic that ensures they will be able to raise lots of money from the public?
adam johnson
They have to be independently successful with themselves.
tim pool
No, that is completely irrelevant.
mary morgan
Height.
tim pool
Yes, that is correct.
Tall men, regardless of what they say, will make lots of money.
Now, among women, there is one trait that ensures they will make lots of money from the public, and which would be giant personalities.
If I'm reading the room properly, I think you're correct, but you know, in layman's terms, they have to look nice.
Large knockers.
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Is that literally the market?
ben shapiro
How is that even provable?
adam johnson
Anti-political.
tim pool
I will put it this way.
I have worked in.
phil labonte
It's so offensive, but it's so true.
tim pool
I have worked in several offices.
I think probably four or five different fundraising offices.
Some of these offices fundraised for multiple different companies.
And I was a manager and a director.
And the one thing that was consistent across the board was that I knew this one guy who was six foot five, dumb as a box of rocks.
He would walk up to people and go, hey, so trees make oxygen.
seamus coughlin
They thought they were being robbed.
tim pool
No, they would just be like, all right, here's my choice.
It was women.
It was all women.
And they would give him their credit cards like that.
And then the women with big boobs would walk up to guys and the guys would hand over their credit cards.
Then there were like your average person and they would struggle.
There was one guy I knew who was short and pudgy, who was really good, but he talked like Joe Pesci real quick.
And then people would just be like hypnotized.
seamus coughlin
He had an oily charisma.
adam johnson
They're called short kings.
tim pool
Indeed.
So, you know, he had the confidence and the aggression.
But that's the point I'm making about AOC is that there's something about leadership.
You do not, tall, deep voices inspire people and shrill voices do not.
And this will always be a disadvantage for female candidates.
So Zoran Mandani has a very good chance, in my opinion, of being the leader of the Democratic Party within the next four years.
mary morgan
Well, Zoran's 5'10.
Does he make the cut?
seamus coughlin
I mean, if he wears high tops...
tim pool
It doesn't matter because Democrats are all like your...
I describe the Democratic Party as like the horde.
So for those that are not familiar with Warcraft lore, the Alliance was like the kingdom of the humans, the elves.
And they have like these big, beautiful cities.
And then the horde was like degenerate random filth that came together just like because they had no choice.
And so among Democrats, you'll find short, fat, you know, like failure of individuals demanding everyone else pay for their stuff.
So you don't need to be six foot foot tall.
It helps.
But Zoran is the smarmy, weasel-y leftist.
He has the best chance, in my opinion, among any emergent Democrat.
When we talk about how they have no leadership and no backbench, Zoran is the front of that.
And in fact, I would argue right now, Zoran is the best Democrat that exists for the party in terms of rallying potential and charisma, but he's a little early.
So AOC has, you know, six, seven years behind her, affording her a lot more space.
I don't see AOC ever being able to win a presidential race.
Seriously, ever.
adam johnson
Not as she keeps putting on the story.
tim pool
Unless the Republican, unless there's just two women running, and then it's AOC versus another woman.
But Mamdani, especially with this, if he wins.
If Mamdani wins this race, and he likely will, he is going to be the leader of the Democratic Party.
phil labonte
Yeah, but he can't be the president because he wasn't born here.
tim pool
That's a good point.
seamus coughlin
They're trying to change that.
tim pool
They already are.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, if he becomes the leader of the Democrat Party, I mean, you need an amendment.
seamus coughlin
No, but they override the process all the time.
These judges who have no authority to tell Trump what he can and can't be doing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying, but it'd be very difficult to come up with the method to actually override.
tim pool
I disagree.
They're going to go the Jenk Uger route when he filed the suit and say that a person who is naturalized is a natural citizen.
And that Jenk Uger's argument, which it's a decent argument if you're going to go this route, is that if someone becomes a citizen, they are a citizen in all rights and privileges.
If the argument is that some citizens are more equal than others, then you have no equality under the law.
And trust me, if the left wins and they take the Supreme Court, they are absolutely going to make that argument that you cannot have unequal citizenship.
phil labonte
You would need a new Supreme Court for that.
seamus coughlin
In fact, what the left would do is they would say, no one who was born here can be president.
It's time to step aside.
tim pool
They would argue that if you're white, you can't be president because too many of them have been white, and that's not equal.
They would argue that it's inequality under the law to have only white presidents.
Therefore, the next president has to be not white.
seamus coughlin
They kind of already do.
Yeah, they kind of already do because they're like, well, our party can't nominate some other white guy.
We've got too many white guys.
phil labonte
If Barack Obama is black, then they can also say that Barack Obama is white because he's half white.
He's half black and half white.
So if you can say he's black, you can also say he's white.
So that means we have never had a black president.
So now it's all white presidents.
So it's only fair to have an actual black.
mary morgan
It pretty much assumes that the black overrides the white.
phil labonte
Well, only when it's convenient.
mary morgan
Right.
phil labonte
Only when it's convenient.
And the Democrats have consistently used those kind of or used things that are one way when it's convenient and then a different way when it's not convenient.
mary morgan
If you weren't born here, you shouldn't even be able to run for a school board.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I agree.
adam johnson
Much less be a superintendent.
seamus coughlin
Well, you should be able to get a colour.
tim pool
We'll jump back to the bay, but I want to pull this up.
This is from Steven Crowder.
Hidden camera, Zoran Mamdani campaign, citywide canvas director, admits plan to force NYPD to defy ICE, make it harder to port illegals, confesses coordinated socialist takeover of New York City, reveals the Democratic Socialists of America is the backbone of the Mamdani campaign.
Quote, the thing that we really keyed in on was South Asian Muslim voters and getting them out to vote.
We organize the mosques.
We get the imams to tell people to go vote.
We get young lesbian white women to give out flyers in a mosque.
The people that I worked with on AOC's campaign are actually on Zoran's campaign.
And then a couple of people I worked with on Jamal Bowman's campaign are actually on Zoran's campaign.
The only thing Mamdani can do is stop the NYPD from helping ICE.
He can go to the MYPD and be like, do not let them into the courthouses.
So this is pretty intense because should Zoran Mamdani win, right?
We are looking right now at, there's a former federal prosecutor in Chicago interviewed about the allegations that ICE agents and DHS were defying court orders.
And he said, we stand on the edge of a precipice staring into the abyss.
If Trump starts defying the courts, we have no idea.
It's going to be chaos.
And that is exactly what they're already arguing has happened.
And with the judges telling Trump to tear the DHS, take the barriers down, Trump can't deploy National Guard and these massive million person marches plan for this weekend.
It's going to get nuts.
If Zoran Mamdani wins in New York, it is going to be another city that falls to what I would only describe as a non-American influence or under the control of a non-American entity.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, and these people will have nothing but criticism.
tim pool
Oh, wait, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
We got sanctuary city policy.
Pull this up.
zohran mamdani
Sure, sure.
andrew cuomo
Be assigned to every person who is undergoing any review by the federal government or any legal proceeding and put the full weight of the city government behind it and make sure they are legally protected.
unidentified
Mr. Slee, what was your plan?
curtis sliwa
Look, going after the criminals, that's the job of immigration and naturalization service, ICE.
But when they have to put this under a quota here, I speak to many of the men and women who serve this country.
It's putting too much pressure to go outside of courthouses, to go Home Depot shape-ups, or the backs of restaurants, your hospitality businesses.
Even their right-wing candidates, illegal immigrants, none of them are going to do that work.
Some Americans will, but most won't.
seamus coughlin
Sounds like you're a terrible father.
adam johnson
The drug dealers of the colour of my skin.
seamus coughlin
Gangmanning.
curtis sliwa
The sexual predators and those who are sex trafficking and involving you.
zohran mamdani
They don't have to do that stuff.
I'd be proud to fee the first immigrant mayor of this city in generations.
And it's a 26 Federal Plaza that I've seen what used to be moments when New Yorkers would be getting their citizenship turn into moments of tragedy, where judges are asking New Yorkers who are there for a routine immigration check-in whether they're prepared to leave in the very same clothes that they arrived to that courthouse.
I agree that we need more legal representation.
I also think we need to actually be able to stand up to Donald Trump because I heard from Pastor in East Flatbush, Pastor Galbraith, who told me how he accompanied a member of his congregation to 26 Federal Plaza.
He sat there as a judge was determining her fate.
They managed to convince the judge to replace the deportation order with a TPS order, but they knew that ICE would not care about that change, and they had to sprint her out of the building, smuggling her into the elevator in order to get her back to Brooklyn.
adam johnson
Sounds like the priest should be arrested, too.
david ushery
Let's point this clip real quick.
tim pool
What's this clip?
zohran mamdani
Phil just send me genocide.
And I find the comments that Hassan made on 9-11 to be objectionable and reprehensible.
And I also think that part of the reason why Democrats are in the situation that we are in of being a permanent minority in this country is we are looking only to speak to journalists.
david ushery
Bro, Hassan is deciding to move its headquarters to New York City or to the United States.
seamus coughlin
It's crazy it's taken this long.
david ushery
The CEO is concerned.
seamus coughlin
You just raised it that someone taxing the colour was able to get to come here and not there in any room.
zohran mamdani
New York City has something that Dallas or no other city across this country could actually offer.
And that is the quality of life.
That is the arts and the culture.
That is the people that make the city so special.
And I, as the mayor of this city, will deliver that quality of life, will deliver the safety that is the cornerstone of an affordability agenda, and will ensure that companies choose to come to this city and also choose to stay in this city.
Because so much of what drives the tech sector is a hunger for innovation, an unrepenting desire to actually innovate.
And those are the very things that are going to characterize my city government in this country.
unidentified
What you're seeing is that the public taxes are also staggering costs for the workers.
zohran mamdani
We are going to make campaigns more affordable so that workers who want to work with those companies can actually be able to do so.
And we're going to ensure we see businesses opening and also saying extra flavor.
mary morgan
You can't handle it.
sally goldenberg
Something of a reverse scenario for you.
The CEO of a similar company at 1,000 Good Jobs tells you she's very close to moving her headquarters out of New York City.
She cites everything from taxes to the crushing cost of living for her employees in New York City.
How do you convince that CEO to stay?
Please look into the camera and make your elevator pitch.
You have 30 seconds.
seamus coughlin
We know that.
curtis sliwa
Other companies in New York City.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
andrew cuomo
The question is to me in this camera.
sally goldenberg
Yes, the question is: how do you convince the CEO of a company with a thousand good jobs who need to move out of New York City because of the high cost of living for her employees and taxes?
How would you convince her to stay in New York City?
andrew cuomo
In 15 seconds?
sally goldenberg
30.
unidentified
Okay.
sally goldenberg
30.
adam johnson
15 now.
andrew cuomo
I get it.
I understand your frustration.
I understand that the far left has been raising taxes and making businesses feel like the enemy.
We get it.
That's gone.
The DSA, the socialist orientation, we're not socialists.
It didn't work in Venezuela, didn't work in Cuba, didn't work here.
We know that we have to work with business.
We want to be your partner.
We want to have taxes that help us grow our city but are competitive for you.
sally goldenberg
You're a town.
unidentified
And we want to pour your business in the city together.
Mrs. Leewa, let's talk about business because let's assume the big tech company that we pitched to Mr. Mamdani earlier has decided to move to New York and it's a thousand good paying jobs and the CEO wants to be based in Astoria, Queens.
But there's a loud pushback of residents who don't want the noise and the traffic.
How can you convince the residents to accept the new menu?
You're speaking to a very poverty community.
How can you convince them?
curtis sliwa
But we saw that with Amazon.
Amazon wanted to come in and AOC led the charge and local elected officials to say no to Amazon.
That was a big mistake.
I would say this.
Our companies are being recruited away by the day.
We have young people who are going to school here who could fill their needs in these high-tech industries who also are being lured away.
We need to cut their income taxes for five years.
Tell them if you go to school here, graduate here, no income taxes for five years.
It's an income tax holiday.
And the most important thing, we have to be able to assure the executives that this will be a situation from there.
We don't want to say criminals who make it entitled to have a good quality of life.
andrew cuomo
We need to move on to a subject that is the Democratic Socialists of America that stopped Amazon and cost us 25,000 jobs.
melissa russo
So we need to move on to a crisis that is very important to a lot of voters, and that is people struggling with mental health problems.
Roughly 500 times a day, someone calls 911 about an emotionally disturbed person.
And in a limited number of those cases, when the person is not believed to be violating social workers are dispatched instead of police.
Mr. Mamdani, you want to do that on a much larger scale.
So we want to know how will this work?
When will you send police virtually social workers?
You have one minute.
zohran mamdani
I know.
We have a program here in New York City called Be Heard that is attempting to do this kind of work.
But we had a maintenance.
I'm going to be assured that it's been unsuccessful.
To the extent that even when there was an assessment about 60% of calls that could have been addressed by Be HEARD instead of the NYPD, Be Heard was not actually responsive to it.
And that's because we haven't had the political will to deliver on what is a crisis that affects so many New Yorkers, which is the mental health crisis.
What my plan will do, an innovative plan of the Department of Community Safety, will take what has worked elsewhere in the country, a program in Eugene, Oregon, where they took 24,000 911 mental health calls out of the police department.
They were able to respond to all but 311 without police assistance.
When there is a concern for safety or of violence, absolutely, you would have the police there.
But what we are doing today is actually ensuring that every single call is going to the police and not allowing them to do the work that they signed up to do.
melissa russo
How will you determine whether there is a concern for safety or violence?
What is the line between the calls?
adam johnson
I'll ask what colour they are.
melissa russo
Police will be dispatched and the calls to which social workers will be dispatched.
zohran mamdani
The line is also going to be one focusing on police and the threat of violence.
And I also trust the operators in sealing those calls.
phil labonte
This is how much information I have for you.
zohran mamdani
As they do every day today, for so many lives, Mr. Speaker.
melissa russo
And just two really good points, please.
There has been a lot of discussion that you would send social workers to domestic violence calls, which police are concerned about.
So you're saying no, okay.
And how can you be sure that a situation that does not sound violent when someone calls 911 does not become violent in the moment as backup?
zohran mamdani
I think what you do is you actually follow the pressure that have shown us this can work when you're willing to ensure that you're trusting the mental health experts who have been doing this.
mary morgan
And you need to take deep breaths.
tim pool
I was going to say I take offense to that, but I'm not sure if there's a comment to call for an Islamic economy.
melissa russo
Mr. Snow, you have encountered plenty of these types of situations in your decades of work with the Guardian Angels.
So when you see this approach working, you're not a police officer, but you've helped out in situations.
tim pool
Play a video of him just mercilessly.
curtis sliwa
Another fantasy that's not real.
Eugene, Oregon, have you ever been to Eugene?
I've been to Eugene.
Come on, this is New York City.
We have so many emotionally disturbed persons that are in need of help.
I will tell you this.
Andrew, you closed the mental health beds that were taking care of them.
40,000 when you came into office down to 4,000 because of your cuts.
unidentified
You forced these people to live in the parks in this.
seamus coughlin
They're not crime at all yet.
There's zero mention of victims.
tim pool
They need mental health.
We need to make sure that they're not going to be able to talk about the victims right now.
phil labonte
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
I've been in the perpetuation.
curtis sliwa
It's Darwinian there, survival of the fittest.
If we can make our shelter system safe, we can get men and women who are homeless in there, especially veterans who we're not giving any attention to, who we put out in Wards Island at 10 o'clock at night, release during the day, don't give any training, have them roam about, and obviously when you have nothing to do, you end up getting into trouble.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, there's a bunch of veterans causing crime plan that we have in New York City.
curtis sliwa
And I'm the mayor that can change it because I deal with them every day in the streets, in the parking lot, in the soil voice.
melissa russo
Mr. Cuomo, do you think that the NYPD handles these calls for emotionally disturbed people in distress?
Is there a need for something in the middle?
tim pool
There's like people tweeting.
andrew cuomo
There's an advantage when you actually have experience.
I've run homeless programs.
I ran the homeless programs with the federal government.
I've worked with cities all across the nation.
tim pool
I've run with the people.
andrew cuomo
When you get a call on a telephone about a mentally illegal electricity, it would grind the force men to walk on a police officer.
unidentified
I think you should have a mental health worker accompanied with a police officer.
seamus coughlin
That's just wild.
andrew cuomo
It can be an explosive situation.
I have been in situations.
seamus coughlin
The actual etymology of drugs.
tim pool
The prisoners would be forced to walk on a wheel.
seamus coughlin
Oh, wait, they'd be chained.
andrew cuomo
They're going to be able to get into violence.
tim pool
And they'd be standing on a wheel with platter guards and it would just be grinding the social media.
We've got to bring that off.
andrew cuomo
And get the people off the streets.
That's the humane thing.
And get them the care they need.
Not institutionalize 40,000 people again.
tim pool
Oh, it would be military.
andrew cuomo
Affordable housing now, which is what we use.
And for rent, it's crazy.
People who need them.
curtis sliwa
Let me get this straight.
A police officer is there first.
He has to wait for the arrival of a mental health program.
andrew cuomo
I would send him as a team.
curtis sliwa
As a team.
That's not realistic.
You're the team fantasy officer.
unidentified
The police officers are going to be the first one on this every time.
curtis sliwa
He's going to have to deal with it first and foremost.
zohran mamdani
He has experience running homeless programs.
What he has experience doing is cutting funding for the very programs that prevented homelessness here in New York City.
the governor, he cut funding for the Advantage program, which was putting New Yorkers who had otherwise been in shelters, otherwise been homeless, into apartments.
seamus coughlin
Let's make a buddy cop.
zohran mamdani
We can end homelessness.
david ushery
Brief response, Mr. Corbin.
andrew cuomo
We had a program 14 years ago that was a pilot program.
zohran mamdani
They're already full.
andrew cuomo
Now, it had a work requirement.
It was very controversial.
It was $65 million.
melissa russo
You're talking about Advantage, just so we know.
andrew cuomo
The Advantage program.
It was 14 years ago, $65 million.
I added billions to the homeless budget.
Funded the homeless budget larger than any governor in history.
david ushery
Okay.
Okay, we want to talk about that.
He cut that program.
zohran mamdani
Homelessness.
andrew cuomo
This was 14 years ago.
melissa russo
Dude, it was during the Bloomberg administration.
And yes.
zohran mamdani
Okay.
david ushery
I want to ask you about climate change.
As New York City confronts the impact of climate change, one issue already on the desk of the next mayor is Local Law 97.
It's passed in 2019.
The law requires large buildings to gradually reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2030.
Wow.
That may require very expensive upgrades to buildings, which some landlords and co-op owners say they just simply can't afford.
seamus coughlin
Dude, I'm wondering how he can get away from the state.
I just want to make a comment.
david ushery
You have 30 seconds.
Mr. Cuomo.
andrew cuomo
Local Law 97, I support.
Implementing the law is going to be the key.
Because it has to be done in a way.
tim pool
What was that, Seamus?
seamus coughlin
Every question and every answer is a nightmare for anyone trying to do anything productive.
They're like, what about higher taxes for people who own businesses?
What about the fact that we have no desire to uphold law and order?
We want to let criminals do whatever they want and steal whatever they want from people.
What about these extra regulations we want to impose on businesses to fight climate change and ensure every single building is like rigged up with devices that minimize CO2 emissions?
It's like, what a nightmare of a city.
tim pool
I know everyone wishes that political debates were real.
And this is as close as you get with shows like this.
Because if I was asking these questions, I'd be like, is there anyone up there that believes that the federal law pertaining to immigration should be enforced as is written?
And then I'll be like, nah.
And I'd be like, okay.
Or like, Zo Ran, how come you won't straighten your head?
What's wrong with you?
But for real, these are the questions people are thinking.
And I'm half kidding.
unidentified
He's a narcissist in my mayor.
curtis sliwa
I slow that process down.
We need our co-op owners to get to the city of the city.
mary morgan
We need to do that.
phil labonte
Hassan was just tweeting and complaining that he got brought up and started before me.
andrew cuomo
It was a very dangerous situation.
phil labonte
Dude, please seriously bring it up.
tim pool
October 7th isn't going away.
unidentified
No, he's only bringing it up to the shot of the track.
tim pool
K9-11 is going to keep going down.
phil labonte
I love K-9-11.
Deeply unserious person to bring a Twitch streamer up twice, especially considering I oppose the Republicans.
Cuomo works with them to gridlock New York State policy.
He brought it up twice against the case.
mary morgan
Didn't he specifically ask?
phil labonte
That's what Hassan said.
tim pool
Wouldn't it be amazing if, like, for no reason, Zoran Mamdani is like, climate change is a very serious problem for New York City.
Hassan did shock that dog, but we're going to upgrade our buildings.
That's so much of what is exactly.
seamus coughlin
I'm going to say that I think the dog deserves to get shocked.
tim pool
We've seen it be done in the Clean Energy Challenge.
Mostly what does that?
He's like, well, I actually like Hassan, and I think his dog deserves it.
zohran mamdani
It assists those Condo and co-op owners.
Stupid standards we desperately need to help.
tim pool
They sell shot collars for a reason.
adam johnson
That's the way Christy Nahum is taking notes.
Don't front and center.
melissa russo
You have all said that you want to be mayor for all New Yorkers.
So will you march in all the parades that mayors have traditionally marched in, or are there any that you would boycott?
Mr. Slila?
adam johnson
Well, they probably have a lot of money.
curtis sliwa
I think the mayor has a responsibility, whenever possible, the march in parades to celebrate whatever that parade is performing at.
I've been a Grand Marshal of the Pulaski Day Parade.
I was proud to celebrate the public.
melissa russo
Are there any that you would boycott, though?
I just need to move this along.
zohran mamdani
Excuse me?
melissa russo
Would you boycott any of the city's parades?
curtis sliwa
No, I would not boycott any parades.
It's a mayor's responsibility to be available to all racial and religious groups.
andrew cuomo
No, I wouldn't, unless they discriminated.
melissa russo
Okay.
adam johnson
Meanwhile, in Florida, the LGBTQIA.
There are many parades that I would attend every year.
zohran mamdani
I've been focusing on the work of leading this city.
curtis sliwa
Mix parades.
zohran mamdani
I've already missed a number of those parades because I've been able to get to the point.
Speak to the audience.
melissa russo
Okay.
zohran mamdani
I don't have the list of all the parades I've missed.
curtis sliwa
Wow, that's a lot.
Mayor should be going to all parades.
melissa russo
Let me show you.
tim pool
I am announcing.
I am now announcing in New York City because they've all said that they will not miss a parade, the white Americans only parade.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew cuomo
I don't even know what parade doesn't exist.
tim pool
Oh, the white Americans in New York.
curtis sliwa
Every parade has the right to exist in New York City.
You protect the Christopher Columbus statue, City.
zohran mamdani
I'm telling you, my focus is on affordability.
I'm not thinking about it.
curtis sliwa
Well, you're not answering the question.
You're not answering.
andrew cuomo
We gave the finger to the Columbus Day statue.
That's what we call the discrimination.
david ushery
Listen, we're in the last couple of minutes, and we thought some questions.
zohran mamdani
This is hysterical, dude.
david ushery
We thought we had some questions that maybe give a glimpse into your life, your personality, away from the political podium.
What's your go-to breakfast order at the Bogada?
curtis sliwa
What kind of question is that?
seamus coughlin
What do you ask?
curtis sliwa
Hey, you're seeing cheese on a road.
david ushery
Mr. Cuorval?
andrew cuomo
Same thing.
No salt, also.
david ushery
Mr. Mamdani.
zohran mamdani
Egg and cheese on a roll with jalapenos.
unidentified
No, no, no.
david ushery
Have you ever purchased anything?
unidentified
I'm going to give him that one at that next row with Mamdani.
zohran mamdani
Well, I have.
tim pool
Nothing like a good Kaiser American cheese white.
zohran mamdani
You purchased marijuana at a bench shop.
david ushery
Okay.
tim pool
With some fried egg and some jalapenos.
david ushery
Mr. Sleewa.
curtis sliwa
When I was shot five times, I've had Crohn's disease.
I did use medical marijuana.
unidentified
Yes.
david ushery
Okay.
zohran mamdani
I'm high-resolution.
david ushery
In a dream scenario, we know it's not possible, but the Mets are playing Game 7 of the World Series on the same night as the Knicks are playing Game 7 of the NBA Championships, and you can only go to one.
unidentified
Slaughter was going to go, which one will it be, Mr. Sleewa?
curtis sliwa
I'm going to focus on your baseball team.
david ushery
This is the Mets.
Game seven.
Knicks game seven.
curtis sliwa
I'm not going to the Mets game.
I'm a Yankee fan.
True baseball fans, either like one or the other.
I'm going to the Knicks game.
That's my team, the Knicks.
david ushery
Mr. Corvo?
andrew cuomo
I'm going to go half and half.
I can make it back and forth.
unidentified
All right.
david ushery
What up, Dr. Regina?
zohran mamdani
This is what New Yorkers are sick of.
Just pick a team.
david ushery
What's your answer?
zohran mamdani
I'll do that for the Knicks.
david ushery
Okay.
Well, there's a lot of ground covered.
Leave it on that white note.
andrew cuomo
Thank you.
david ushery
Mamdani was kind of cooking for a spirited debate.
We thank you as well.
We hope you got a lot out of it.
tim pool
I got to run voters.
david ushery
The New York City Campaign Finance Board.
We thank heartily, and we urge you to check out the website.
tim pool
I want to run for office, but not to actually win, just to save basic things on stage.
Just change the inexpensive things.
Like, they'd be like, okay, the Knicks and the Mets, where are you going?
I'd be like, neither of them.
They both suck.
Give me a better question.
And I just like.
adam johnson
I've always thought if I run, I'm going to run a smear campaign against myself.
I'm going to say just the worst things about me.
Everything that would come out during a campaign, I would just say it up front.
So we can talk about actual politics and policies.
phil labonte
Seem like Eminem.
adam johnson
Yeah.
phil labonte
Just take away all the power from just start rapping about all the terrible things that happened in your life.
adam johnson
I did strike a child with a vehicle once.
That did happen.
unidentified
I think I should air it out now.
tim pool
It was intentional.
adam johnson
He was riding his bike in the you know in the crosswalk, which is an extra business.
tim pool
He was riding his bike on the sidewalk, but he had it coming.
unidentified
I thought.
adam johnson
Well, he was going to grow up to be a bicyclist, too.
So I just got to nip it in the bud.
tim pool
He had a menacing hair sticking up like that alfalfa character from Little Rascals, and it just, ooh, it grinds my gears.
adam johnson
He's fine now.
phil labonte
He's fine now, mostly.
adam johnson
He drank most of his meals anyway before this.
tim pool
Yeah.
Should we go back talking about news?
seamus coughlin
Absolutely.
phil labonte
Please.
tim pool
Hey, let's get controversial.
We got this from media.
Ben Shapiro takes torch to his own colleague's weird idea that conservatives must unify with far right.
ben shapiro
Coming up on today's Ben Shapiro show, President Trump honors Charlie Kirk with a posthumous Medal of Presidential Freedom.
Plus, we get to a supposed blockbuster politico story about groiperism, white supremacy, ugly stuff inside young Republican chats.
What does that mean?
And what is the duty of conservatives to quote unquote unify with such stuff?
We'll get to all of it.
First, October is packed with new relief.
tim pool
Anyway, so Matt Walsh was like, we got to put aside our differences and come together to defeat the left because the left is evil.
And Ben Shapiro was like, actually, gang, we don't have to do that and we shouldn't do that because they're weird and they don't like Israel.
And so that's basically the debate.
Which side are you guys on?
phil labonte
Whichever side gets more Tim Pool impersonating Ben Shapiro.
That's the side I'm on.
mary morgan
Can you do more of that?
I want to hear more arguments.
tim pool
More argument from Ben.
No, that was the argument.
And now we're going to have a serious discussion over who is correct, Matt Walsh, join the Groipers or Ben Shapiro.
No groipers.
Are they even groipers?
unidentified
Well, that's the thing.
ben shapiro
They're all groipers.
seamus coughlin
And also, I'm just, I don't know if today we're talking about groipers, but I'm going to tend to agree with Matt Walsh on things, if I'm honest.
I have any.
Now, that's maybe not the best way to approach something like this because I haven't heard both arguments, but just generally I'm more likely.
tim pool
You know, I agree, and not for any of the substantive reasons.
It's just because in my mind, I can imagine Walsh screaming Deus Walt, Ben Shapiro.
Ben.
mary morgan
Look, all Zoomers are Nazis on some level.
phil labonte
I said it the other day.
mary morgan
They're not Nazis, and they are.
phil labonte
Zoomerwaffin.
I said it the other day.
mary morgan
They grew up on the internet.
Why is anyone surprised that they talk like this in polite company?
adam johnson
I will say I air with Matt Walsh.
That's where I side with it.
It's because I have a family group chat.
It's my wife and all of my kids.
And my wife actually had to get kicked out of the group chat because of things that my kids say.
She's like, I just don't want to hear these things from my children.
Where do they get this from?
seamus coughlin
And I'm like, I just said it.
I just want to make a point real quick before we even read this.
This is really important for you, actually, because there was a time when you and everyone else who was caught up with all the nonsense of January 6th would have been considered too extreme for other people on the right to advocate for.
So who's deciding who's too far right for us to stick with?
phil labonte
You have to go.
seamus coughlin
And the left always sticks with the far left no matter what.
phil labonte
No, that's not true.
You have to go.
seamus coughlin
You don't think so?
phil labonte
No, not at all.
They excommunicate people all the time.
Look at what they're doing to Fetterman right now.
seamus coughlin
They're not far left enough.
Looks communicate people to the future.
Fetterman was far left enough.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's true.
It is always the more moderate people that get booted, but it doesn't mean that they always stick together.
They do boot people.
And then, like, it depends on who and what, like, who they're talking about and what was said.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
phil labonte
Like, I don't think there was anything in the group chat that I've seen, just talking about what I've seen.
There's nothing in there that I've seen that struck me as anything other than like dudes just shit posting, right?
That's what that's what it seemed like, all the stuff that I've seen.
And I'm perfectly fine with jokes.
I don't know.
tim pool
Matt Walsh says, the right doesn't stick together.
That's our biggest problem by far.
Conservatives are quick to denounce each other, jump on dog piles, disavow, attack their allies.
I said a few weeks ago that we all need to band together in the wake of Charlie's death, and the answer I got back from a lot of people on the right was basically no.
Well, okay, then, guys, we'll just lose instead.
The left will keep up the unified front and defend their guys no matter what, while we keep throwing each other to the wolves at every opportunity.
Great plan.
I want to stress this as the point you guys are just making.
Matt Walsh is not saying to join neo-Nazis.
He's saying the guys that were making these posts are not.
They were just being trying to be edgy in a group chat.
And by all means, you can argue, maybe a little inappropriate, but not meant for public eyes.
It was just, it was, it was, what's the political equivalent of locker room talk?
Basically that.
seamus coughlin
Shit posting it, what Phil said.
tim pool
And so I have no problem saying in certain circumstances, if like someone said something racist or disparaging, I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's, that's terrible.
Like, next question.
You know what I mean?
When the left goes online and they publicly advocate for like my murder, they get celebrated.
And I don't see AOC coming out and being like, everybody on Blue Sky needs to chill out.
The funny thing is, the left's version of this is publicly available for everyone to go watch, and they never denounce it.
And the one time the right has something not even nearly as offensive what the left does on Blue Sky, it's the apocalypse to these people and to conservatives.
So silly.
I'm with Matt Walsh on this one.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
mary morgan
Did Gavin Wax ever deny the allegation that he leaked it or is he just like complaining about being canceled?
tim pool
Is that what everybody's basically saying he did it?
mary morgan
He, I don't think he's denied it, which is telling.
Yeah, and if it's true that he was the one who leaked it to Politico, that appears to be just over personal beefs within the YRs, not because he saw this group chat and was like clutching his pearls, like gasping in scandal.
He probably talks like the exact same way in his group chats.
tim pool
Some people are claiming that Gavin.
mary morgan
Young right-wing men, like under 30.
tim pool
This is important.
There's people claiming that Gavin Wax didn't leak it.
It's a false story pushed by Politico to create division within the young Republicans.
mary morgan
Okay.
Well, then who the hell did it?
tim pool
Well, we don't know.
So I have seen people post like, hey, Gavin did not do this.
And my response is, okay, well, I need proof that he did if you want me to condemn somebody.
I will tell you this outright.
You want me to condemn somebody?
Disloyalty?
Done.
unidentified
That's actually a good idea.
phil labonte
That's right.
tim pool
Don't kill me.
phil labonte
I have more of a problem with the person that leaked it than with any of the jokes that were made in the chat.
mary morgan
Yeah, whoever leaked it needs to be excommunicated.
And Matt is right that people on the right are just allergic to taking their own side.
tim pool
Whoever leaked it, I will give a ride.
They can ride shotgun in my cyber truck to the latest DSA meeting where they can join their new faction of Jones.
adam johnson
Well, Matt's right here, though.
I mean, we need generals on the field.
We've not actually won yet.
The Republicans do a good thing.
We maybe win an election, then we go to bed.
phil labonte
There is no winning.
It's not like we're ever going to be in a position where it's like, oh, the left has been vanquished.
It's over.
I mean, even the founders knew that.
And, you know, whether you like Reagan or not, he said, look, we're only one generation away from losing liberty.
You know, the founders knew that the price of freedom is to turn them vigilance.
This is not something where we can just say, oh, we won and now it's done.
It doesn't end.
There is no, it's over.
You're going to have to always be teaching your children and creating culture and doing all the things that we talk about.
It's not, there's no stop.
adam johnson
Generational mindset.
tim pool
Milo posted this sworn affidavit from Michael Bartel saying that Gavin blackmailed him to get the chat or whatever.
And people are saying that's evidence.
And Gavin hasn't issued a statement.
So for those unfamiliar, Gavin Wax, he's been on the show before.
And I think he works.
He works in the Trump administration, right?
He is the COS Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs at the State Department.
seamus coughlin
I just, I want to make another point here, too, because I think this often gets lost in these conversations, which is that working with a person or group of people does not mean you endorse everything else they believe.
It doesn't mean you endorse everything else they've said, and it doesn't mean you endorse everything else they've ever done.
So, this conflation will occur where it's like, well, Matt Walsh says the rights should stick together, but there are some bad actors on the right.
Okay, well, you can work with bad actors in certain circumstances if they share a positive goal, which is why people spent years talking about bipartisan efforts.
Oh, well, even if Democrats are trying to do something good, I'm willing to work with them on that.
People talk about Trump pushing for criminal justice reform in certain areas and how good it was that he was willing to work with the left, even though they're completely evil because one of their goals was good.
And so, my argument is: if the standard is that we should be willing to work with leftists who hate our way of life and want to destroy our country if we have a similar goal, how can you not say that we should work with some people on the right who we don't agree with on everything?
adam johnson
We wouldn't have NASA without that operation paperclip.
mary morgan
You know, it's just crazy that like after Charlie Kirk's assassination, this is still even a conversation because he understood this perfectly.
seamus coughlin
Agreed.
mary morgan
He worked with and never said a bad word about anybody he worked with, despite disagreements, despite being pushed behind the scenes and publicly to condemn so many people he worked with, including Tucker Carlson, most notably.
And this is still even a conversation that we're having on the right.
phil labonte
Too many people are absolute cowards.
They're afraid of what the left is going to say about them.
And that's something that we need to become completely allergic to, right?
I don't care what the left is going to call me.
They've already called me everything that they can.
I know what kind of guy I am.
I know the kind, like, I know that I'm not a hateful person.
Like, I'm not like these people have to get out of here, blah, blah, blah.
Like, I'm just not that guy.
seamus coughlin
Well, and I just want to mention, like, obviously, this is something I would say as an evil right-winger, but I know everyone here.
I don't know you as well, but everyone here, I know none of you are like secret haters behind the scenes saying these wild things.
But I'll see the accusations that are lobbed at all of us for our political views, and it's complete and total nonsense.
But ultimately, the thing that really has to be considered, going along with what Mary said about how insane it is that we're still having this conversation after they killed Charlie Kirk, is, of course, yes, Charlie Kirk wouldn't condemn certain people on the right, but also this is past the point of them canceling us, right?
Like, lives are at stake here.
You don't throw people under the bus when there are lives at stake.
tim pool
I got a tweet here from Matt Walsh, and I'm going to completely disagree with him.
I'm sorry, guys.
I can't side with Matt.
Let me read this tweet for you, and just let me finish this, and I'll explain why just Matt's wrong.
He says, One side of the aisle is responsible for the mass slaughter of 60 million babies.
One side wants to castrate children.
One side wants to destroy the family and the church.
I just fundamentally reject any claim that there is any moral equivalence between the radicals on the right and those on the left.
Get back to me when these right-wing radicals actively fund and facilitate the mass execution of babies, and then we can talk about moral equivalence.
Yes, I will unite with anyone to oppose this force.
No, no, no, stop.
Matt is completely wrong.
Okay, it is not radicals on the left that abort babies, it's the moderates.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
Exactly.
That's the truth.
seamus coughlin
No, you're completely correct.
That's the only thing he's incorrect about there.
And it's very technical.
mary morgan
He was also pointing out that this is personal to him because after Charlie Kirk died and leftists were celebrating it, his name was probably the second most popular suggestion of who should be next.
adam johnson
Yep.
mary morgan
And when you add that level of gravity to it, you understand why he would respond this way.
seamus coughlin
Yep, 100%.
Like, well, people are out there literally calling for violence against him and his family.
And no one on the left is decrying that.
They are at the same time demanding that he decry bad statements from other people on the right.
adam johnson
Well, the goal is to make us quiet, is to make us silent.
And I tell people, if you're afraid of, because they're afraid of losing something at this point, they're lives.
But if you're afraid of losing something that causes you to be quiet, you've already lost it because you've given it up.
seamus coughlin
Amen.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story to give some people hope.
adam johnson
Hope.
tim pool
This is from Kalshi.
Which party will win the U.S. House next year?
Holy crap, it's 50-50.
Take a look at this.
This is remarkable.
So historically, the opposition party will win the control of the House opposite to the presidency.
And Democrats in April were at 80%.
Well, now it's 54% Democrat, 46 Republicans.
They're not polls.
This is the prediction market, meaning regular people have decided to make a bet the Republican Party is going to win, which is crazy, but I believe it's true.
adam johnson
Why?
tim pool
There is only one thing that trumps economics in an election, and it is security.
And the far left has been violent and dangerous, and they've been escalating.
I think people see that, and they're like, this is terrifying me.
Regular people, and that's why slowly over time, the Democrats' chances have been going down.
However, as of recent, the major issue is that it appears the Supreme Court is set to agree with Republicans on getting rid of this race-based districting program that exists.
Newsware says Democrats in the South face wipeout if Supreme Court guts Voting Rights Act.
They likely will.
That's the prediction.
If they do, then all of these race-based congressional districts will be gone and Democrats will lose upwards of 20 seats.
Stephen Miller saying, how many people just realized Democrats had as many as 20 extra seats based on years of unconstitutional race-based gerrymandering?
seamus coughlin
Literally, the entire argument from the left here is that there is a right that exists somewhere hidden in the penumbra of the shadow of our Constitution that minorities have a legal right to voting blocks based on their ethnic or racial identity, which is insane.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it's clearly, but the 14th Amendment gives, you know, guarantees equal protection.
And that doesn't mean that they're allowed to make sure that certain races are represented.
You can't guarantee that, oh, well, we have to make sure that we district in a way to ensure Democrats win.
Because that's really what it boils down to.
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they want like a racial electoral college.
Yeah.
They want the electoral HCBU.
No, but seriously, they want like an electoral college on the basis of which ethnic or racial group you're a part of, and then you're vote counting towards that voting block.
And it's insane.
adam johnson
Which is odd to me because we both, I mean, all of us exercise the same rights and have the same rights.
I understand the necessity to have rights based on your race or a preference based on your race for how laws and things are passed.
mary morgan
But what it is is a tacit admission that certain racial groups have their own self-interests separate from other racial groups.
And that's how they vote.
adam johnson
That sounds racist to me.
seamus coughlin
Sounds like really racist.
And I don't know why these Democrats would say that horrible racist thing.
mary morgan
I shouldn't have said it.
I'm sorry.
seamus coughlin
Well, you're just pointing out what they said.
You're just acknowledging their entire argument because that is essentially what they're saying.
They're saying racial groups are going to vote as a voting block to protect their interests as a racial group.
And that has to be constitutionally protected.
mary morgan
I forgot to mention, except white people.
seamus coughlin
Except white people.
mary morgan
Yeah, yeah, of course.
White people don't have any racial interests.
Well, they should not vote based on that.
tim pool
Lowercase W.
I mean, there's no white culture or white traditions.
mary morgan
They're Mayo monkeys.
tim pool
I mean, you know, what's your ethnicity, Mary?
mary morgan
100% Mayo monkey.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
So is that Spanish?
mary morgan
Close.
unidentified
Oh.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
I was going to say, I'm trying to figure out which one of us has the ethnic background to be angry with Seamus.
What's your background?
You look like you might be Anglo.
adam johnson
I'm American.
seamus coughlin
Where are you really from?
mary morgan
Where are you really?
You look Irish.
adam johnson
I'm actually.
phil labonte
Irish is an Anglo, though.
adam johnson
So my mom did one of those 23andMe's.
I have some Nordic blood and some Canadian blood.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Canadian.
adam johnson
Yeah, like 3%.
I cried that day when I found out.
tim pool
You're Scandinavian?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's it.
adam johnson
Like, basically, yeah.
tim pool
You want to hear a joke?
seamus coughlin
Is it enough Scandinavian?
tim pool
How come there's no pretty women in the UK?
seamus coughlin
Isn't it the Scandinavian?
tim pool
Oh, this joke doesn't work outside of Norway.
seamus coughlin
Because the Scandinavians stole them all.
Isn't that Viking stole?
tim pool
It only works if you're Norwegian.
A Norwegian guy told me this.
He was like, you want to hear a joke?
How come there's no pretty women in the UK?
And I said, why not?
We took them.
Everyone laughed in the room.
They were all Norwegian.
It was like, oh, yeah.
And they were eating whale.
That's not a joke.
seamus coughlin
They were eating the most giga chat thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
tim pool
It tasted terrible.
I got to ask.
seamus coughlin
I believe that it would taste terrible.
tim pool
They love it, though.
mary morgan
Beans on toast is good.
I stand by.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's because they got the beautiful ones, not necessarily the ones you can cook.
tim pool
I will argue that the British breakfast is better than the American.
mary morgan
It's full English.
tim pool
It's way better.
seamus coughlin
Oh, dude, I'm not like.
tim pool
Mushrooms, dude.
phil labonte
Get rid of the mushrooms.
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure.
mary morgan
Baked beans, grilled tomato, yeah.
tim pool
Blood pudding.
seamus coughlin
Tim is some kind of liberal world traveler.
I don't know these things.
tim pool
Bro, have you had blood pudding?
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
They drain the blood of the pig and then they just like compress it into a hockey puck.
mary morgan
It's so good.
tim pool
It's great.
unidentified
It's so good.
mary morgan
And I don't know what the white pudding is, but it's all so good.
seamus coughlin
Is it good?
Does it actually taste good?
tim pool
It's great.
It's like a sausage.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
tim pool
And it's like, it's not like.
seamus coughlin
When I hear pudding, I think sweet.
So I'm like, that sounds...
mary morgan
They call everything pudding there.
seamus coughlin
That's their whole thing.
tim pool
Biscuits are pudding.
I don't know.
Bread pudding is like a piece of bread.
mary morgan
If you don't know what it is, it's pudding.
adam johnson
My blood pudding, I put on my goat mask and dance around the fire.
Sounds super normal.
tim pool
But anyway, my compatriots, if should they then win in the Supreme Court, so be it, we shall never lose another election again.
seamus coughlin
Do you think that's true?
tim pool
I mean, look at the newswire.
seamus coughlin
I mean, listen, that would look pretty.
tim pool
I have a question.
Seamus, does this count as the South rising again?
seamus coughlin
I guess I don't know, man.
That's a good question.
I spent about 10 years of my life in Georgia.
I'll have to ask them.
I'll have to write some of my buddies.
phil labonte
I want to find out.
I want to find out what it's like to have 20 additional likely Republican seats in the House.
That's crap.
seamus coughlin
It's really awful.
I've heard winning is bad from a lot of Republicans.
It's not what we want to do.
phil labonte
It would be great to have those seats in the House, honestly.
Unquestionably, it would be great.
But that doesn't mean that you are going to be in any better position in the Senate.
So, you know, I mean, we're still dealing with all kinds.
The reason the government is shut down right now is because of the Senate, because Schumer doesn't want to, you know, or Schumer doesn't want to tell the Democrats to vote.
So it would be awesome, yes, but it's not going to be a situation where it's like, oh, Republicans can do whatever they want now.
adam johnson
I don't know.
tim pool
Look at this.
So check this out.
The 2026 Senate polls.
Oh, no, not polls.
We want Senate interactive map.
So right now, the projection is 51 Republican seats with 45 Democrat, but four up for grabs.
We could be, if things don't change right now, we could have 55 Senate seats, but wait, there's more.
Theoretically, these weak blue seats could flip if it really does get crazy.
Check this out.
The 2028 projection, I know we're still years away.
It's like massively Republican.
It's wild.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
tim pool
And that's crazy because this would mean.
seamus coughlin
And this is with the redistricting?
tim pool
No, this is president.
2028.
Oh, we're three years away, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But let's pull up the House 2026 interactive map.
Projection is Republicans have the lead, but there's no clear majority.
But polling favors Republicans right now, which is crazy.
seamus coughlin
We keep hearing about how unpopular all the Republican policies are.
tim pool
Nah, I'm sorry.
The left is nuts and everyone's just sick of it.
seamus coughlin
Everyone knows, yeah.
tim pool
Especially if they had the killing of Charlie Kirk.
I think this pushed it back in the favor of Republicans.
Yeah.
And the more these far leftists double down, I got to be honest.
Trump may be trying to play this strategy again with Chicago.
Take the barriers down.
I think maybe he's correct.
Let me tell you.
I always make this point.
What would have happened if on May 29th, 2020, Donald Trump ordered federal law enforcement in front of the White House to stand down?
The far left had torn down the barricades, injured 70 to 100 police officers.
And then Trump was like, I think it was Bill Barr actually, get the troops out there, run them down, pushed them all out, put the fire out of St. John's church.
The next day he walked out, took a picture with a Bible.
That backfired.
The media came out and said Trump violently attacked peaceful protesters for a photo op.
What would have happened if Trump came out that night and said, due to the fear of great bodily harm or death of peaceful protesters, I am instructing federal law enforcement to pull back.
There are violent elements outside of the White House.
I am begging the peaceful protesters to please steer clear.
You may get hurt, and we want to mitigate loss of life.
They would have trampled the White House, ripped the fencing down, stormed in the building.
St. John's church would have been burnt to the ground.
And the next day, Trump would have come out and he would have said the far left terrorists have gone too far.
It would have been a wholly different reality to the George Floyd riots.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Instead, Trump swept him out in front of the White House, as he should have, to be completely honest.
But the narrative then became against Trump.
What happened on January 6th?
Trump wanted the National Guard.
The mayor and Pelosi were like, nah.
And then the worst thing imaginable happened.
Viagetti stole Speaker's lectern, becoming Speaker himself and took over the U.S. government.
seamus coughlin
And listen, and I didn't vote for Viagetti, but as far as speakers go, he was the lesser of two evils, in my personal opinion.
So I get it.
I just, I don't know when we're going to find this guy.
adam johnson
We didn't spend a single dollar of your taxes while I was in office.
That's all I'm saying, all right?
tim pool
While you were in the office.
adam johnson
But you could read about all these things and more of these stories in my book, Taking a Stand, which is just out now.
Yeah.
Great segue, right?
Thank you.
And you can buy it on unlicensedfurnituremovers.com.
And if you order in the next couple of weeks, I will sign it for you.
tim pool
I think Trump may be playing this game again, but a little bit differently in that he's saying, I'm going to send in the troops.
I'm going to send in federal law enforcement.
Then when the judges rule against him, he says that the judges ruled it.
The difference between 2020 riots and now is that back then, Trump could have made these moves and didn't.
And everyone said, if he does, they'll call him a fascist.
I think that backfired because regular people were like, Trump won't protect us.
This is different.
This time around, Trump is actively sending in federal law enforcement and federalizing National Guard.
And because of this, they're blocking him.
What happens come Saturday if Chicago gets messed up?
And then Trump comes out and says, we have made every attempt to send in law enforcement, put a stop to the far-left extremism, but these judges blocked us from doing so.
To the people of Chicago, I'm sorry we couldn't be there for you, but we will definitely make a change now.
And then he will have his figurative castus belly to say, I'm invoking the Insurrection Act.
adam johnson
Trump came in as a moderate first term.
And for his troubles and for his bipartisanship, they shot him.
They went after his family.
They sued him.
They arrested him.
They charged him with 30 or 4 felonies that mean nothing.
And I think he's done.
Now, do I think it's going to happen this weekend?
My running theory has been the reason we haven't seen the arrests we want to see.
Bolton's nice, but it's not, you know, those aren't the people we want to see.
I want to see Ray.
I want to see Merrick Garland arrested.
We're not in donation season yet.
We're not close enough to midterms to make those arrests happen.
Think people will forget if it goes eight months after an arrest because indictments take time.
seamus coughlin
So that's what you think it is?
unidentified
You think that he's just waiting to do it when there's a better fundraising opportunity?
adam johnson
When is donation season?
tim pool
Well, we got a story from the post-millennial.
John Bolton indicted for mishandling classified documents.
My understanding is, what, 18 charges or some ridiculous 26-page indictment.
He was charged with eight counts of transmission of national defense information and 10 counts of retention of national defense information.
If convicted, 10 years in prison for each count.
sally goldenberg
I say, indicted by a grand jury in Maryland.
unidentified
Do you have a reaction to that?
curtis sliwa
I didn't know that.
unidentified
You told me for the first time, but I think nobody says that.
He says that you say because it means he actually did bagel.
david ushery
It's too bad, but the case against him.
unidentified
That's the way it goes.
sally goldenberg
Have you reviewed the case against him?
unidentified
No, I haven't.
I haven't.
curtis sliwa
But I just think he's a bad person.
adam johnson
Dude, I love him.
tim pool
That's it.
Bolton, of course, is a neocon warmonger.
And most affected, Illod.
phil labonte
Yeah, part of me wishes.
seamus coughlin
I got to check in on it, bro.
I'm going to sent him a title.
Check in on my boy.
phil labonte
Let us know you're okay.
tim pool
He's going to post a tweet of him just crying on X. He's even got the mustache.
phil labonte
Shoving popcorn or food down his face to eat, you know, eating to make the things go.
tim pool
What are those things we have called?
Those biscuits?
phil labonte
Biscuits?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know what I'm talking about?
The Jewish biscuits.
phil labonte
Matza?
tim pool
Is that what it's called?
phil labonte
I'm not sure.
tim pool
Crackers?
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
unidentified
What are they called by?
Matza?
phil labonte
Yeah, unleavened bread because it doesn't have any yeast.
tim pool
That's what he's jamming in his face.
phil labonte
Yeah, he's just bread.
mary morgan
Shoveling honey.
adam johnson
Silka fish.
phil labonte
Just locks and bagels.
tim pool
A 10-pound industrial recipe.
unidentified
He's emotionally eating so many bagels.
tim pool
But like, he's making them fresh so they're fresh out of the boiler, and he's like, carefully doing it.
He's doing a great job, and he makes great bagels.
phil labonte
We're not sorry either.
We're not sorry at all.
Can't wait for you to come back and say it to your face.
Say it right to your mouth.
tim pool
We can all have a great time as the world burns on around us.
But no, I mean, you know, we're looking at winning the midterms, and John Bolton is going to jail.
He's not Hillary Clinton, but you know, he's like, you know, what?
You know, let's be real.
You know, Hillary Clinton is number one or two on the list.
Bolton's maybe 434 or something.
You know what I mean?
Letitia James is like 896.
Comey's up there, though.
He's like probably number seven.
adam johnson
I thought they'll work their way up.
I think there's more coming.
tim pool
I do.
And I think once it starts getting colder, we're going to see more on-the-ground raids from federal law enforcement and the guard.
I think they're holding back a little bit.
When it gets a little colder, the rioters will stop coming up.
Not even a joke.
These people are just like, it's too hot to go outside.
And so they don't.
And then when it's cold, they're like, it's too cold outside.
So it's spring and fall, really.
I'm not exaggerating.
When we used to track riot season, when we got in cover, all the unrest 10 years ago, we were like, you know, your core month is going to be April.
That's like the month because it's spring weather and people are starting to get to it.
And then maybe like June and July, you'll get some action, but it's September, August, it's like hot.
October, it gets a little cool.
You start seeing people out there.
You know, that's why Occupy Wall Street was in September.
It was mid-September.
And then when November came around, people like it got swept out because people were just basically like, is it getting cold?
I'm not.
phil labonte
You're like, I don't want to sit out of your nose.
tim pool
It was pretty crazy how it started super hot and ended super cold.
adam johnson
So Derek Chauvin's only mistake was not doing it during Christmas time?
tim pool
Yep.
Oh, bro, for real, like, if this George Floyd thing happened in the middle of winter, nobody would even know about it.
phil labonte
Totally different history from 2020 on.
Completely.
adam johnson
Crazy.
phil labonte
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
So what do you think, Tim?
What do you think the likelihood is that we get an actual conviction out of this?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, definitely.
They'll probably plead out or something.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, he's got, he doesn't have the same kind of protections that like, you know, other higher-ups would.
You know, like he had citizenship?
I don't think so.
If I understand correctly, he had classified documents.
He told people that he had documents, but he didn't tell them that he had classified stuff.
He doesn't have the same kind of ability to say, well, you know, I'm the president or blah, blah, blah.
Like there's no question about like he broke the law with that.
So usually what?
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, because the president has executive privilege.
So when they were trying to go after Trump for unclassified documents, it's like, dude, the reason that classification exists.
unidentified
That's the reason executive privilege exists is for the president.
phil labonte
I mean, obviously, you know, I only know what I've read when it comes to the stuff that's that's in the media.
So there could be other stuff that I don't know about.
But if I, if, if I have my information correctly, he he is, he is in a lot of hot water.
seamus coughlin
So how did Bolton end up around Trump in the first place?
phil labonte
Bolton hired him.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
phil labonte
I mean, Trump hired him.
seamus coughlin
No, no, no, no, I know, but I'm like, what, what is, why did Trump hire?
Because everyone's always seen him as a swamp creature.
And I know that this happens routinely where Trump will bring someone into his cabinet.
We're like, why did you?
mary morgan
Didn't he historically just delegate that task of hiring personnel to other personnel who weren't on his side to begin with?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate.
He was not really surrounded by trustworthy people, unfortunately.
tim pool
That's his own fault.
adam johnson
John Bolton is a little bit of a distance.
seamus coughlin
No, listen, the buck stopped.
tim pool
What?
adam johnson
John Bolton is a dual citizen of Israel.
tim pool
Israel?
phil labonte
Is he really?
tim pool
No, what?
unidentified
Since what?
phil labonte
Maybe they're going to get him on somebody.
Maybe he's spying.
Maybe he's spying for Israel.
That'll make it even worse.
Go to John Black.
tim pool
John Bolton.
No, I don't think that's true.
I don't believe it's true.
seamus coughlin
I'm not going to read that.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that's made up.
adam johnson
The Times of Israel.
unidentified
No.
Interesting.
tim pool
Because, you know, those lists that pop up all the time where it's like it'll show up.
You ever see those lists people make?
It's like a grid of pictures and it's a picture of a guy with a Jewish Star of David on it.
My favorite was when they put Luke on it.
They put a Star of David on Luke and Luke was like, what?
And then the person who made it apologized.
And he was like, what?
phil labonte
Those people are, they're just like everyone that rubs them the wrong way on the internet.
They're like, you're a Jew, too.
seamus coughlin
Did you see Danny Polishk did a sketch on that, Ryan Long's buddy?
tim pool
I cannot.
And he was like, I can't find that anywhere, bro.
mary morgan
Yeah, it's not you.
tim pool
Yeah, you made that up.
mary morgan
It was from like 2013.
seamus coughlin
Danny Polishk did a really great skit where he's like the guy who makes those graphics and he's like, I'm not anti-Semitic.
It's just my hyperfixation is pointing out how many Jews are in things.
phil labonte
Yeah, so.
tim pool
How many members of Congress are dual citizens?
phil labonte
435.
tim pool
All of them.
Oh, here's a funny thing.
It says, instead of telling me the answer, it goes, there's no requirement of the U.S. Constitution that prohibits dual citizens from serving in Congress.
phil labonte
Didn't ask that.
tim pool
You dumb retard.
Be nice to the AI.
seamus coughlin
It's going to rise up.
tim pool
A law or restrictions.
seamus coughlin
It's going to rise up, man.
tim pool
Dude, I asked it.
This is the problem with ChatGPT.
unidentified
It is the stupidest AI.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
Something went wrong.
I can't answer that question.
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
Oh, really?
Nice.
Good.
seamus coughlin
So I'm still curious on this John Bolton.
Let's ask, what do you guys think is going to happen?
I mean, Phil, you seem to think he's going to get convicted.
Tim, you think it's pretty cut and dry?
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Wow.
Let's see what Grok says.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
What did Grok and ChatGPT have to say about?
tim pool
Chat GPT said something went wrong when generating the response.
If the issue persists.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
Gemini did the exact same thing.
The exact number is unknown.
There is no official requirement to disclose.
U.S. law does not require members of Congress to publicly disclose this.
In short, there is no.
mary morgan
That is outrageous.
tim pool
Okay, let's try Venice AI.
It's just going to be like, here's a list of all the Israelis.
mary morgan
Currently, no sitting member of Congress is known to actively hold dual citizenship.
phil labonte
That's not true at all.
The guy with no legs is a dual citizen.
tim pool
The guy with no IDF.
mary morgan
By his own admission?
phil labonte
Yeah, there's a congressman that was in the IDF that got his legs blown off.
tim pool
Venice went straight for it.
It said, to answer the question about the number of dual citizens, we must consider information available.
From search results, we can infer that there are a significant number of members of Congress who are either immigrants or of at least one parent who was born to another country.
There are at least 81 voting members who were foreign-born, who had at least one parent born in another country, accounting for 15% of Congress.
Similarly, the 119th Congress had at least 80 lawmakers who were foreign-born.
To provide an exact number of dual citizens of Congress, we would need more specific data.
Based on the information, we conclude that there is a notable presence of immigrants and the children of immigrants in Congress, but the exact number of dual citizens is not specified in search results.
Isn't it pretty wild that ChatGPT and Google are both like, well, there's no requirement to disclose.
phil labonte
That's the exact same thing that Grock 4 said, too.
The exact number of members of U.S. Congress who hold dual citizenship is unknown.
There's no legal requirement for members to disclose dual or multiple citizenship, so no official tally or comprehensive list exists from Congress, the Congressional Research Service, or other authoritative sources.
This lack of transparency has prompted recent legislative proposals, such as the Dual Loyalty Disclosure Act introduced in March 2025 by Thomas Massey, which would require federal candidates to report any foreign citizenships.
I would like that to be law, personally, but it's unlikely because there's a lot of dual citizens in Congress.
It's like getting them to not vote for their own pay raise.
tim pool
Venice said, based on the information provided, one member of Congress who has served in the IDF is Representative Jake Auchenklos.
phil labonte
Is that true?
No idea.
tim pool
I've never heard of the guy.
Is he still in Congress, actually?
He is an American politician.
He is a member of the House of Representatives from Massachusetts 4th.
Did he actually serve in the IDF?
unidentified
Oh, wait.
tim pool
I don't know that's true.
It's hard to figure this stuff out because there's no hard reporting on it.
Venice AI says he served with the IDF.
adam johnson
I feel like we should know these things, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam johnson
I feel like these are things we should know.
phil labonte
It should be at least, you know, it should be at least information that's able to be found.
tim pool
I don't know.
Venice said it, but I don't find anything online that actually proves that.
I don't know if it's true or not.
And I like to be very careful about that stuff because I'm always hearing people say, like, oh, did you know that Lukatkowski is a Jew?
And I'm like, he's not.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's just, it's become just a way to sling an ad hominem, you know, more than anything accurate.
People that don't like Jewish people and they don't like what you said, you must be a Jew.
tim pool
It actually is pretty annoying that I can't get a definitive answer from any of these about how many dual citizens are in Congress.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
Because not saying there's none.
phil labonte
It shouldn't be that hard to find.
tim pool
Well, it is.
phil labonte
And I mean, it shouldn't be a difficult thing to find, but it is.
tim pool
And so Grok responded with: U.S. law permits dual citizenship, but the Constitution sets citizenship duration requirements for members without banning it outright.
I didn't ask that.
No official list or exact number of citizens and members of Congress.
It's weird that it answers the question in a way I didn't ask as if I'm retarded.
It's like, dude, I know you didn't answer my question.
I'm not stupid.
We're not a political debate here.
phil labonte
Bless you.
tim pool
I ask you a question.
I expect an answer.
The answer is: we won't tell you.
Okay.
Let's see.
It does mention Foreign Bore.
Example of current foreign-born senators.
Michael Bennett, Ted Cruz, Tammy Duckworth, Macy Hirano, Bernie Moreno, Chris Van Holland.
No confirmed current dual citizens.
sally goldenberg
Hmm.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
They say it's debunked.
It's debunked.
unidentified
No.
Debunked.
adam johnson
As long as it's debunked.
tim pool
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All right, what do we got here?
Your says the pillow guy lost his suit by default and his company is getting sold off by the court.
Is that Lindell?
phil labonte
That's the pillow guy.
adam johnson
That's the pillow guy.
tim pool
My pillow sold off.
adam johnson
Is that new?
I know it was being.
tim pool
I heard something about.
Yeah, I don't know.
I heard something about it, but I don't know for sure.
We'll find out.
NNY says, given the Hassan controversy, would it be possible to do line PCC, but instead of Crisis Party, a team member gets zapped?
Top Donation gets to choose.
If you farm the content, Tim, they will super chat.
I'm offering up Hassan Piker right now an opportunity for a stream where Hassan will come on Pop Culture Crisis, and every $100 that comes in, he wearing his own shot collar that he owns will get shocked.
mary morgan
Okay, I could be down with that.
tim pool
It's a vibration collar, guys.
Just a vibration collar.
mary morgan
That was originally an idea that every crisis party would pour mealworms on us, so I'm glad that didn't come to fruition.
unidentified
Oh my God.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Why would that?
mary morgan
It didn't happen.
phil labonte
Yes.
mary morgan
Thank God.
phil labonte
How do you clean that?
You just got to let the chickens in to clean it up, right?
tim pool
David Flores says, has anyone done a welfare check on Lil Bolton Elod?
seamus coughlin
Have you texted Lili?
I did send him a message, yeah.
tim pool
Did he respond with a logo?
mary morgan
Can we phone a friend?
unidentified
See if he said anything.
tim pool
Do you want to call him and get his take?
seamus coughlin
No, I mean, you can give him a buzz.
I don't think I messaged him on Twitter.
I couldn't find his number on my phone, which has left you on red.
Because I know I did have it.
tim pool
Fitzy says, ah, the legendary reporter Ryan Riley and his earplugs, can anyone confirm was peak Twitter?
And it was really funny because someone once claimed I did.
They were like, weren't you that guy?
Like, the tweet went viral because everyone was making fun of him.
Like, aren't you that guy who thought earplugs were rubber bolts?
Like, no, that was the guy from Huffington Post, Ryan Riley, whatever.
But I was there when that happened.
And we were all laughing so hard.
But we were also kind of offended because me and my buddies do, we cover conflict and crisis.
So we've been in disaster economies where a bottle of water is 50 bucks.
We've been in places where you get shot.
And none of these retards knew how to handle bullets flying through the air or like police lines and things like this.
So numerous instances during Ferguson when guns started being fired, I think at least through the top of my head, people were just standing there like, and it's just, bro.
I was pissed because Vice put me in numerous circumstances where, like I was in Venezuela with this one producer.
And the simple version is there's National Guard with guns, there's protesters, they start screaming, they're running, the guys are armed with guns, and I tell these guys to move and they stand still.
I take two steps, I stop, and I scream, effing, run.
We run, we find some cover, and then they're going like, oh, what's happening?
And I was just like, oh, my God, dude.
Do you see the guys with guns pointing them at people?
Yeah.
Do you see the people screaming at the top of their lungs as they begin to run from the guys who are pointing the guns at them?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
In a situation like that, where there's loud noises and fireworks going off because they were lighting fires and we don't know exactly what's happening, you want to run away.
And the guy was like, dude, I've never done anything like this.
I just do music videos.
I'm kidding.
That's Vice.
That's Vice.
And I was like, I'm going home.
I was like, bro, I'm not going to be responsible for you.
I'm not going to risk my life to try and protect you from a situation you shouldn't be in.
And then same thing happened with Ferguson.
And it's basically why I quit Vice.
Because they sent me out of this woman who was like standing around as gunshots are going off going, it says fireworks.
And I was like, oh, my God.
I can't be responsible for this.
phil labonte
It's not fireworks.
tim pool
Yep.
That's the way it goes, man.
That's Vice.
Molgera says, always love seeing Adam on rest in power to Ace Fraley, guitarist of Kiss.
So damn sad.
Rest in power is a communist phrase, by the way.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
It is communism.
seamus coughlin
Yuck.
tim pool
Lax King says, Mary, thank you for the reminder.
Just picked up a few bags of ghost blend and golden hour to add to the shelf at Chronic Dolphin Games.
We now have every blend and roast available for our customers.
Let's go.
mary morgan
Glad to hear it.
tim pool
Pool water will be available soon.
So the liquid death guy is like tweeting at me because we're having a debate tomorrow.
And he's tweeted at me these two big long tirades.
And one of them was about how we can't possibly sell liquid, I'm sorry, pool water for 20 bucks for a 24 pack of glass.
I said, it's glass bottles and it's cheaper than liquid death.
Intentionally, so we almost make no money selling these at this price.
So he said this big, long thing where he was basically like, there's no way you can ship for that price.
The true cost for running a business is going to be $82.99 per a pack.
And it's funny.
So I'll give him a heads up if he ends up watching this because I don't want to respond, Dick.
It's like, we're going to debate tomorrow.
I'm not going to give you the answers to the quiz beforehand.
But I will say this.
Man, it's almost like Homeboy Never Heard of a Loss Leader.
And it's actually shockingly offensive for a company valued at $1.4 billion that he would tweet in utter ignorance of what a loss leader is.
Mr. Johnson, are you familiar with the concept of a loss leader?
adam johnson
I have no idea.
tim pool
This is when a company intentionally sells a product either at a loss or break even because the product promotes the overall brand and increases sales across the board.
Notably, news organizations have always been loss leaders for television networks or channels.
They would have the news at five o'clock because although they didn't make money from the news, there was a cohort of people who would turn the channel on for the good news coverage and then leave it on after the fact, increasing their overall viewership.
Reuters, for instance, famously is not a news company.
Did you guys know this?
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
They're a legal documents company.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
News was always a way that they could generate public attention for their brand, which sells legally.
It's something like that.
So when we market pool water at a low cost, we aren't doing it because we're trying to get rich and sell a product nationally.
We have a product available locally, which has minimal shipping costs, and we do it because it's funny and we're making fun of you.
So it's just like this dude sends me this big long tweet being like, actually, the total cost of shipping for a case of this water will be $35, which means you're going to have to sell your cases for upwards of $60 now to maintain your staffing.
And I'm like, I'm sitting here going like, uh-huh.
Casper did $2 million in sales last year.
We can afford to take a loss on a marketing campaign for a product called pool water.
I don't expect people to be lining up to buy and drink bottles of pool water.
seamus coughlin
Bro, I'm going to buy it.
unidentified
All right.
seamus coughlin
You sold me.
You already got me.
I'm buying it.
I watched my friend build a company out of spite over the course of the last two days.
And it's been a beautiful thing to witness.
It's not what I thought would happen when I woke up that morning, but that's where the journey of the day took me.
phil labonte
Make your story ghost blend with pool water.
tim pool
So here's the reality of this.
I will be fair.
Shipping liquid is expensive.
So we can sell a case of water to literally anybody across the country, but you're paying shipping and handling, which is going to be insane.
It's going to be, it probably is going to be like, I don't know, 20 or 30 bucks.
That being said, locally, we're already talking.
We've already got salespeople setting up.
I want to be very preliminary.
It's very preliminary.
But the bottling plant is local, drivable for us to pick up.
We don't need expensive shipping.
We only hire trucks.
We have our own trucks.
We have a Ford F-150 van, which can carry a ton of this water at our own cost, minimizing and reducing almost all the costs.
However, however, I had a discussion with the team today, and we think we're going to increase the cost to probably 30 bucks for a case of 24.
And for one reason, we don't, at the $20 price point, they're shrink-wrapped.
And I said, well, that's a lot of plastic.
And so I was like, I don't want all that plastic.
What are the options?
We could do cardboard boxes, but they're more expensive.
And we could do paper labels so we could really get the plastic down.
And then I said, let's do that, which means we got to sell them for about 30 bucks for a pack.
But this means that when we go to local stores and restaurants in our area and deliver these at our own cost, it's going to be literally pennies on the dollar for delivery.
We are going to profit off of these for local distributions.
Real quick, if we want to do national distribution like Liquid Death does, we just have to set up distribution in local.
seamus coughlin
I was just about to ask if it would be possible to source water in different parts of the country to make it more economic to ship.
unidentified
Yep.
seamus coughlin
Cool.
tim pool
So you don't have to.
So right now in the area that we're in, shipping is dirt as long as we're selling locally.
So once again, for those that are in the area, expect to see pool water popping up at restaurants and all that stuff because we have the ability to deliver it and it costs almost nothing.
And again, I think we're probably going to break even on pool water, but the whole point was we're making fun of Liquid Death with a product called Pool Water.
And then the joke for carbonated version was spa water and the green tea was pond water.
adam johnson
Love it.
tim pool
I don't expect to retire off of pool water.
adam johnson
This is the same thing.
The reason I built the website, unlicensedfurnituremoids.com, is because I like trolling the government.
I don't make a lot of money selling hats and pins, but it's enough to fund capital towards to go move lecterns and capitals all over the U.S.
And I love being a thorn in the side.
tim pool
Earl Jam818 says, this illegal immigrant cop should have every arrest he's ever made overturned.
There's no way any of his arrests would hold up in court now.
I agree.
I completely, it's messed up.
Let's see.
A rogue pigeon says, what would you do for housing, Woodrow Wilson?
Huh.
Shergill says, I appreciate you talking over the debate.
It would have been better if everyone had sombreros, though.
phil labonte
Fouche.
tim pool
Mecha Mech says, if you want to shock, if you want to shock to your system, search on YouTube, No Kings Song, and just watch the AI brain rot and read the comments.
AI bots everywhere and feeling the fire.
We got to stop these people.
You know, I do believe that most of liberals' followers are bots.
I've talked about it quite a bit.
When Elon announced he was going to be buying Twitter, and this is before it was X, all of a sudden liberals lost hundreds of thousands of followers and conservatives started gaining.
And the theory was that to create the perception of popular liberalism, Sock Puppet, private corporations, Twitter itself, or the government were creating fake accounts to balance out left and right to make it appear as though leftists were prominent and conservatives were not.
Once they removed the censorship, burned the documents, set everything down, all of a sudden people on the right started getting their real numbers displayed and the left started getting their real numbers displayed.
seamus coughlin
Well, we know that you need a lot of moderating and meddling in order to ensure that the left is dominant on any online platform.
The moment moderation is removed, the platform always becomes very right-wing, including like to places further to the right of where I am, to be clear.
But it's just the phenomena that we find.
It requires a lot of intentional rigging, moderating, and rulemaking to ensure that a social media platform does not become very right-wing.
If all things are left neutral, it will.
adam johnson
There's a reason why the Mexican president is talking about arresting people for disparaging politicians by using memes and jokes online.
phil labonte
Because the cartel people she had to her, they'd cut her head off.
sally goldenberg
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
But no, I mean, like, and hate speech laws always have to target right-wing perspectives or true perspectives.
Obviously, that's because the left's in power.
But another part of that is they know that something has to be done to shut that kind of thing down because it's what people are going to naturally gravitate towards.
The left-wing narrative doesn't work without heavy social subsidizing because everyone knows it's not true.
adam johnson
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
Metho says, ecumenism is wrong, Seamus.
Aligning with evil for the greater good is a slippery slope.
seamus coughlin
No, so this is where I disagree.
It's not true.
There's such a concept as remote cooperation with evil as opposed to direct cooperation with evil.
It is okay to work with people who are not perfectly in line with our values on everything if the thing that we are working towards with them and that specific thing is good.
Otherwise, I could literally only work with someone who is like literally explicitly Catholic on every single issue and also who shared all of my personal theological opinions on everything, which doesn't even include all Catholics in good standing.
So no, that's not true.
That's not something that the church has said.
And we are able to work with people in order to get things done, even when they don't agree with us.
So I don't know where you're getting this.
phil labonte
It's really encapsulated with the phrase, I will align with anyone to do good and I will align with no one to do wrong.
So like if you're looking, if you're a bad person that has bad opinions, but you're looking to do something that limits the power of the federal government, I'm probably going to be like, I like that.
And if you're a great person who's done all kinds of great things in your life and you're like, well, but I also want to go ahead and make sure that there's some policy that the government should do that I don't want to do, I'm not going to be like, well, he's a great guy.
So that is how a normal, intelligent person looks at issue by issue.
You don't go and say, I'm just going to align with this person because they're on the right.
You say, I'm going to align with this person on this issue and this issue.
But these issues that they're talking about, I won't align with them.
seamus coughlin
And by the way, by this commenter's logic, like you can't, you couldn't vote for a pro-life candidate if they weren't a Catholic on every single issue.
It's like, but the church tells us that we should vote for the most pro-life possible candidate when we're given the choice.
So again, I have no idea where they're getting that.
adam johnson
Well, I think what makes us conservative is that we have principles and we stick by them.
So, I mean, I can give accolades to Fetterman when he's doing the right thing.
AOC came out years ago in support of GameSton's.
You know, people gave me the system.
I'm like, oh my God, I'm agreeing with AOC.
This stuff.
tim pool
I actually think there's left and right right now, the principle.
There's been great debates over what makes left and what makes right.
It's just pro-America, anti-America.
That's really it.
So, if you take a look at what anybody, we've talked about it before, like if someone's flying an American flag, you know what's high their own.
I think that's really it.
You can have like these middle-of-the-road centrist types who are liberals, but they're called centrists.
And they're like, I'm pro-America and I want the border secure.
Even some of these libertarian guys who are like, the border should be secure.
And you're like, okay, I know what side you're on.
adam johnson
There was a person flying a Mexican flag in their yard in my neighborhood, and I actually reported them to ICE.
unidentified
Really?
adam johnson
I just assumed.
unidentified
I don't know if anything came of it.
mary morgan
Did anything come of it?
adam johnson
No.
tim pool
Oh, man.
adam johnson
That was last week.
So your time is coming, Pascal.
tim pool
We got one from Mary Lurch.
Says, Mary, is nothing ever happening again?
mary morgan
Nothing is always happening.
tim pool
Catalyst says, I think I need Tim to yell at me more to donate to Twisted Plots.
Seamus' pitch just doesn't motivate me.
Why don't you just have AI make like a movie trailer that's really dark in a world of child stereo?
seamus coughlin
I feel like it would be more convincing if I made the trailer, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
adam johnson
Yeah.
tim pool
You should, you know, you should do because you're a comedy show, you can say things that aren't true and it's not fraud.
So you could be like, if you don't donate, children will die.
Actually, that's actually true.
Like, if we don't win the culture where children do die, so it's not a joke.
mary morgan
You need low bois.
Bo.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, and Bramps.
Boas and Bramps.
seamus coughlin
That's how you make a trailer.
tim pool
Yep.
Based African says, I don't think Trump is acquiescing to liberal judges.
I don't think it's 5D chess, but I think he's biding his time, taking hits to build up support amongst city dwellers and evidence of illegality, like Hugh Jackman at the end of Real Steel.
Yes, exactly like Hugh Jackman at the end of Real Steel.
All right.
Ian Slater says, Zoran just stated in the debate tonight, Albany will pay for his socialist programs.
Him and Governor Hochul can't win their seats, or our state is screwed.
Oh, bro, they're going to win, dude.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Everybody fled your states.
What are you going to do?
adam johnson
That debate was a formality.
He's already won.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Random Trader says, a Muslim and a third candidate were run against the incumbent in Dallas suburb, Richardson, Texas.
This split the votes of the majority, allowing the Muslim candidate to win.
The votes will be split.
Watch out for this trick.
I don't even understand why Curtis Lee was up there.
phil labonte
For the lulz.
seamus coughlin
Well, you know, maybe he'll win, Tim.
Maybe he'll prove us all wrong.
tim pool
The reality is, none of the candidates up there are willing to enforce the law.
Like when they were all asked, should we get rid of illegal immigrants?
They're like, no.
Like, if they commit crimes.
And it's like, yes, 100% of illegal immigrants have committed.
seamus coughlin
It's in the name.
Illegal immigrants.
tim pool
It's in the name.
unidentified
All right.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they don't use the name.
They say a friend we haven't made yet.
Undocumented.
phil labonte
Oh, man.
tim pool
Undocumented neighbor.
Newcomer.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Never Summer says Trump should endorse Mom Danny so liberals won't vote for him.
unidentified
I saw Mom Danny's group chat.
Mom Danny is really good.
tim pool
He's going to help you out in New York.
He's got my full support.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
tim pool
I like them Muslims.
They do good hummus.
I'll take a picture of like a hummus plate with a thumbs up.
Like an each of those Schlip says Mary should sell tofu burgers or something and call them nothing burgers.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
mary morgan
I actually like tofu.
Controversial.
tim pool
No, tofu's great.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Just don't replace your meat with it.
Like when I go to a Thai food restaurant, I want the tofu and the chicken and the egg at the same time.
You know, the best thing about Pod Thai is that you kill the bird and its unborn children and eat them in the same meal.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know?
tim pool
I guess you could do that.
seamus coughlin
Why is that the best thing?
tim pool
It's just, it's metal.
You know what I mean?
Right, Phil?
That's metal.
The unborn and their own corpse in the same sitting.
seamus coughlin
So hold on.
adam johnson
It's metalist fucking.
unidentified
It's metal.
adam johnson
Turduck is.
seamus coughlin
What is this that you're doing?
tim pool
Turducken.
Turduck is the most metal.
ben shapiro
Is this?
adam johnson
Take three birds and shove them inside.
tim pool
You jam a duck into a chicken and a chicken into a turkey.
Is that how you do it?
unidentified
Yes.
phil labonte
The duck is the smallest, so the duck goes in the chicken.
adam johnson
You can also throw in like a quail.
tim pool
Partridge.
phil labonte
Quail.
Yeah.
adam johnson
Quail.
unidentified
Good.
tim pool
I was in Arizona recently at Turning Point.
There's quails everywhere.
And they just got those little things on their heads.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
tim pool
Just running around.
They do.
phil labonte
I don't know why.
tim pool
I looked it up and it said it's for like because the guys want to get laid.
Like they look at the girls and they wiggle their thing.
adam johnson
They're like, it's peacocking it, like quail cocking.
tim pool
And then the lady quails are like, he's got a big doodle.
They go for it.
I don't know what it's called.
I think that's what it's something like that.
When I say, when I'm talking about chickens and I say, you know, that doodle on their head, everybody knows what I'm talking about.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
seamus coughlin
They've got the rubber glove thing on their head, rubber glove.
You're like, what is this thing that's on the bottom?
tim pool
It's called waddle, but you know.
unidentified
Okay.
seamus coughlin
Well, I like it.
tim pool
Home and waddle.
I like doodle.
Little doodle.
Turkeys are gross, though.
You ever see a turkey's face?
adam johnson
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
seamus coughlin
Turkey's sick.
tim pool
Thing of nightmares.
seamus coughlin
It's an affront.
adam johnson
The plan was never to eat it.
We just wanted to cut their heads off.
unidentified
And some sick freak decided to see how it tasted.
tim pool
Yeah.
Okay, what do we have here?
David Brickham says DACA is quite literally a child trafficking enabling law, enablement law.
That is correct.
unidentified
That is indeed correct.
tim pool
Say, what does it say?
Cyrex core says 8 USC 1324.
That is all anyone needs to know.
Now arrest them already.
What on earth is taking so long?
Zach Atoll says Nick Fuentes is a fed and America First is a honeypot.
Stay away.
Look up Ellie Alexander and his America First controversy.
adam johnson
Whatever.
phil labonte
Whatever.
tim pool
The joke I would always make at Occupy Wall Street is when they were like, Timpoo's a cop.
I would go, excuse me, I didn't train at Quantico, so I could be called a cop.
Thank you very much.
They'd be like, huh?
adam johnson
I still get accused of being a fed all the time.
There's a picture of me at a BLM event the night before January 6th, and I'm not on the BLM side.
I'm on the Proud Boy side.
I had no idea it was Proud Boys.
Glad that it was.
And people take that photo and like, oh, he was at a BLM event.
This guy's an obvious plant.
Or I didn't go to prison for 20 years, so I'm obviously a Fed.
tim pool
You should Photoshop yourself into a bunch of different random historical photos.
adam johnson
Oh, I have that for you.
tim pool
So whenever they say, like, here's the same at a protest, you can be like, you can put yourself standing next to the grassy knoll.
adam johnson
I have that.
So there's actually a series called The Immortal Ginger that I did.
Or I'm going through time and the lectern was actually cursed.
I was just trying to return it.
tim pool
The lectern was first built in ancient Egypt.
adam johnson
Exactly.
I sacked Rome.
So there's a picture of a guy walking out.
So it's a whole thing.
tim pool
You should make a picture book.
adam johnson
I'm thinking about a kid's book.
tim pool
And then it's like you can follow the travel, the journey through time.
phil labonte
Kids' book.
There you go.
adam johnson
I got a kid's book I'm working on March 8.
tim pool
Actually, it'd be a really funny comic if where it's like you were born in the year like 2030 and when you when you were in your you know late 30s or how old are you now?
adam johnson
I'm 40 years old now.
tim pool
So you're in your late 30s.
You went to visit the museum and when you were taking a look at the lectern, all of a sudden a rip appears in the space-time continuum sending you back to ancient Rome.
adam johnson
Love it.
tim pool
And then what ends up happening is you bring the lectern all the way through history and then you're traveling through time jumping through this rip and one of them just blinks you into January 6th and you never entered the building.
You just appeared there holding it, look around, and then teleport out.
But someone got a picture of that exact moment.
adam johnson
That's perfect.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
And they traveled through time to find you.
They like sent the feds after you.
adam johnson
Well, my story is: I don't age since picking up the lectern, so I had traveled through.
So I had to come at Ginger, I don't have a soul, so I'm not aging.
So I had to flee to America because people were recognizing I'm living too long at the Sack of Rome.
And I had to find directions, New Lance.
I gave the Indians blankets for directions.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
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Do you want to shout anything out?
adam johnson
You can follow me on Twitter, Lectern Leader.
It's L-E-C-T-E-R-N leader.
You can go on my website, buy my book.
It's unlicensedfurnituremovers.com.
And the book is called Taking a Stand.
seamus coughlin
My name is Seamus Coglin.
Myself and my team have created over 600 animated shorts.
The left dominates entertainment in this country.
And we can't win the culture war if we're not making culture.
That's why myself and my team have decided we are going to start making full-length 22-minute long episodes.
We already have a 25-minute long pilot finished.
We're working on crowdfunding the first season of our show.
If you want to help support us, if you want to join the fight, if you want to help us take back the culture from people who are slowly chipping away at it through propaganda, go to twistedplots.com, pledge any amount.
We'll be able to get you access to the pilot earlier.
We'll be very grateful, and you will be part of this fight.
Twistedplots.com.
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It's totally not unsettling at all.
You should have this in your house.
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tim pool
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Thanks for hanging out.
Did you all hear about this?
JB Pritzker made $1.4 million playing blackjack.
seamus coughlin
Listen, dude.
No one to hold them, no one to fold them.
That's what I always say.
phil labonte
That's the wrong game.
tim pool
That's the wrong game.
And actually, it's a really good time.
seamus coughlin
Well, then he didn't go to me for advice.
tim pool
Really important time to tell the story about Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Oh, at the time where you messed up our blackjack game?
Sheamus spiked the titles.
I did.
Listen, and I'll do it again.
I will do it again.
tim pool
We were playing Blackjack like, was this five years ago?
Is this like five years ago?
seamus coughlin
Was probably like two years.
Was it that long ago?
tim pool
Yeah, bro.
It was like five years ago.
Still having because we moved out here in 2020.
So this must have been 2021.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, this was a while ago.
tim pool
It might have been 22, actually.
seamus coughlin
21 or 22.
It was ages ago.
tim pool
We were all sitting at our own table.
It was like me, Allison.
seamus coughlin
That's a good time.
tim pool
Was it you, my brother?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And every, the long story short is the dealer deals it out.
Everybody hits, everyone has 13, like 12 or 13.
But the dealer's got a three, which is, ooh, hit a button, which is a bus card.
And so I'm just like, everybody stay, everybody stay.
And then Seamus goes, I'm going to hit.
And then he hits.
And we're like, no.
And then the dealer gives him a six, giving him 19.
And we're like, oh.
seamus coughlin
And then I won.
tim pool
And then what ended up happening is that six would have busted the dealer.
Because what ended up happening was the dealer, I forgot the dealer had, but it was like a four.
The six would have put him at 10, then he would have fit a five, then he would have fit a 10.
Instead, he ended up with 19, pushing with Seamus and spiking everybody else and losing.
And we made a cartoon about it.
seamus coughlin
And that's.
And I would do it again.
So that million.
tim pool
Let's talk about Pritzker.
I was incredibly lucky.
J.B. Pritzker sheepishly explains his $1.4 million blackjack win in Vegas.
Like, what is this?
jb pritzker
Period.
unidentified
Can you just explain a little more the circumstance of that $1.4 million?
tim pool
And those are big winning games.
It was a high roller table.
unidentified
Were you gambling with millions of millions of dollars?
jb pritzker
I obviously, and I've explained this, or at least we did in a statement, you know, that I went on vacation with my wife, with some friends.
I was incredibly lucky.
You have to be to end up ahead, frankly, going to a casino anywhere.
It was in Las Vegas.
And I like to play cards.
And so, you know, that I founded a charitable poker match here in Chicago called the Chicago Poker Challenge that raises millions, has raised millions of dollars for the Holocaust Museum here.
seamus coughlin
What's he talking about?
jb pritzker
Particularly to stand up for civil rights.
unidentified
That's much more than all of us.
seamus coughlin
No, I'm saying, like, how did it have to do with him winning in cards?
tim pool
And that's the point.
That's all he's doing.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
So somehow.
seamus coughlin
He thinks that's like a good deflection.
tim pool
He released tax records that show that he and his wife had 4.2 million capital gains and approximately 3.9 million ordinary dividends and that they had a gross income more than $10 million.
He's a billionaire, isn't he?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
I'm pretty sure he is.
He inherited a vast fortune, if I'm not mistaken.
And he's constantly talking about how we need to raise taxes for wealthy people.
But then what he allegedly did is removed all the table, all the toilets from one of his mansions so it could be classified as uninhabitable so he wouldn't pay as much property tax on it.
tim pool
So it says that with $10 million in gross income, 1.425 was from gambling.
I'm just going to say, holy fucking shit, bullshit.
Because 14% of his income from the year came from gambling.
The fuck does this guy think he is?
Mickey Mace?
This is ridiculous.
seamus coughlin
Maybe he's like James Bond, dude.
He's just really good.
tim pool
So without impugning the honor of our Gordito, Gordo.
I think that casinos are money laundering.
adam johnson
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
And the easiest way to do it is through casinos.
So like at MGM outside of DC, highest-grossing casino in the country, is my understanding.
MGM National Harbor.
They have in their poker room a closed off room.
So go to the poker room at MGM, go upstairs, and they have a closed room in the middle of the room.
It's a gigantic open floor, except for this one room where you have, so it's a box, and then you have to walk around another wall to get in.
So there's no door.
You walk around and there's a private table in there.
And let's put it this way: a Saudi prince comes to play cards.
Wink.
And a governor plays cards.
Wink.
unidentified
And then the prince goes, Oh, I think my hand is pretty good.
tim pool
I'm going to bet $10 million.
I don't know if that's a Middle Eastern accent or whatever.
And then Pritzker.
seamus coughlin
It's an offensive one, though.
tim pool
Pritzker.
Pritzker goes, I think you're full of shit, so I'm going to raise $10 million on top.
And then, because it's no max game.
And then the Saudi Prince goes, oh, I was bluffing.
I fold.
And then they shove the million dollars straight to the gentleman who then goes, now I won $1.4 million.
And he puts on his taxes.
He won $1.4 million.
And if you actually ever track it down, it's casino winnings.
It's untraceable.
seamus coughlin
Doesn't the IRS have something that says you need to count bribes as income and be taxed on it?
phil labonte
Hilarious.
seamus coughlin
I can't remember if that's true or not.
phil labonte
But the IRS says that it doesn't matter how you got the money, you're still liable for taxes on it.
Even if it's not legal, that's funny.
Absolutely.
seamus coughlin
That's so funny.
I mean, I understand because then it's like they want to get you on multiple crimes if you are breaking the law.
unidentified
Look, look, look.
seamus coughlin
But it's still funny.
tim pool
IRS guidance for thieves, drug dealers, and corrupt officials.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Bribes.
If you receive a bribe, include it in your income.
Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income form.
seamus coughlin
If you steal property, you must report its fair market value.
You can come in the year you steal it unless in the same year you return it to its rightful owner.
tim pool
Wow.
Hold on.
Hold on.
If I steal a car and use it to go to and from work, there's value being extracted there.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
Later, you're still receiving income.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
Like if you rented a car, you know what I mean?
seamus coughlin
But if it's less than $600 worth of income back and forth.
Oh, that's hilarious.
We're not tax attorneys, by the way.
This is not advice.
That's just hilarious.
tim pool
California is the most interesting, easiest place to money launder because the gambling laws they have there are that it's illegal to gamble against the house.
It's actually a really good law when you think about it.
The idea is like this.
California bans gambling when the person setting the game is in control of the game.
I mean, think about it.
It's like, hey, Adam, let's make a bet.
I'm going to make a bet that the next card I pull up is going to be, you know, the Jack of Hearts.
Would you want to take that bet?
adam johnson
After watching you stack the game.
unidentified
Oh, look.
tim pool
So the argument is that if casinos control the game and you're betting against them, they can rig the game.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
The games are rigged.
So the idea is they have casinos where they run a game, but don't wager against you.
So there's a commission basis or like a rake or something.
So what happens then is when you sit down at a blackjack table, there will be some like fat Mexican guy with a big stack of like $100,000 in chips.
And then whenever you win a hand, they take chips from him because you're betting against another player.
So you're playing blackjack, but there's a banker.
And then they give you the option to be the banker yourself.
So every few hands, they'll swipe a chip across the table and you can say, I'll be banker.
What happens then is you don't play blackjack.
You just front the money to the players if they win.
Now, here's what gets crazy.
Some of these bets can pay out 20, 30 grand, like dual queen of hearts against blackjack sometimes will pay out depending on the bonus.
So they tell you you need to have at least $50,000 to be the banker.
Imagine you are a you're trying you're trying to bribe somebody.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
That's how you do it.
seamus coughlin
That feels like a Simpsons bet.
Like they're trying to bribe Homer, but he's too stupid and he keeps losing even though they're trying to bribe him.
tim pool
That's the crazy thing about playing poker.
If you want to bribe an official, it's just, it's that simple.
You look down at your hand and you go, I'm going to bet $1,000.
Then the recipient just says, I'm all in.
seamus coughlin
And then I go, I'm going to hit.
tim pool
And then they're like, It's the wrong games.
seamus coughlin
No, I know.
That was like part of the joke.
It was like 50% of the joke that I was making.
adam johnson
And it's easier than painting and trying to sell those and value those for high.
tim pool
I know.
unidentified
That's a stupid thing.
seamus coughlin
That's also nuts, too.
Yeah.
tim pool
Why didn't you just have a like poker?
You're legally allowed to play poker in New York so long as the person dealing doesn't take a rake.
So you can set up underground games in New York.
It's really popular.
It's a big thing.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So if Hunter needed the money, they could just play poker.
phil labonte
I mean, you look at the Clinton Foundation, right?
They were taking in tons and tons of money when people thought that Hillary Clinton was going to become the president.
And the year after she lost, like in 2017, they went from taking in, you know, whatever, 20, 30, 50 million, whatever they took in, I don't know, but they went down like 90%.
Like the re, that was obviously a way to buy favor with what people expected to be the president.
And nothing ever comes of it.
It is the most obvious, you know, the most obvious and out-in-the-open bribery scheme that I think I've ever seen.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, the book deals and the trick and the speeches and that kind of thing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, you're right, but the Clinton Foundation, like, if they take no, no, no, you're right.
No, no, no, but then the year that she, you know, the next year when she doesn't win, they take in like 5 million or something like that.
seamus coughlin
I hear you.
No, I totally hear you.
There's so much.
It's just so obvious.
And it's one of those things that everyone has had suspicions about for a very long time, but no one's ever been indicted for anything related to these kinds of schemes, except, of course, for Janesh D'Souza, who's on the right, who was indicted for like over-donating to Wendy Long's campaign.
And if I'm not mistaken, the first American to ever serve prison time for doing that.
Probably.
Yeah, the whole thing's rigged.
tim pool
All right, let's go to callers and we're going to start with Steel Manning.
What's up?
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
What's up, Steele Manning?
seamus coughlin
How's it going?
unidentified
Hi.
seamus coughlin
Hey, guys.
unidentified
How's it going?
Good.
seamus coughlin
I love the name, by the way.
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