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tim pool
It is done.
Donald Trump has announced he is federalizing the D.C. police and deploying the National Guard to get the crime rate and the homelessness under control.
Now, the liberals are coming out protesting and saying he's lying.
We've got reporters from NBC saying he's lying.
Crime is down.
It's not down.
A D.C. police commander has been accused by the police union in D.C. of flubbing the numbers.
And the union says, actually, at the highest levels, they flub the numbers to make everything look good.
Ignore the stats that they give you and just look at the number itself.
When they tell you crime is down, say okay.
Because the homicide rate is still 27 per 100,000, which is greater than Chicago.
It's not the worst in the country, but it's pretty bad, and it's worse than many of our cities.
Why would that be acceptable?
But there is still a debate about the overreach of the federal government, the police state.
We'll talk about that.
We've got other big news as well, my friends.
And that is, today the news broke.
Kim Davis has filed a writ of cert to the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell, which would end gay marriage in this country as we know it.
Now, the question is, will they actually accept certain meaning?
Will they decide to take this case?
Some have argued no.
However, most people agree.
It's a six to three Supreme Court.
They're going to overturn Obergefell, and there's good reason to do it.
So we're going to talk about that.
We got a lot more.
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We got a great show tonight joining us tonight, talk about this and so much more is Vince Dow.
vince dao
Hey, good to be here.
I'm Vince Dow.
I'm a Gen Z conservative commentator.
And yeah, it's great to be back on the show.
tim pool
Right on, man.
Thanks for hanging out.
A lot is here.
elad eliahu
Hey, good evening, everybody.
I'm Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
Happy to be here.
How's it going, everybody?
shane cashman
What up?
I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live.
I will be leaving here around 9:40 tonight to interview an exorcist whose father was an exorcist.
And I will be joined in studio by Mary Morgan of Pop Culture Crisis.
We're also probably going to talk about rabbits growing horns in Colorado.
Hi, Phil.
tim pool
Wait, what, really?
shane cashman
Yes.
elad eliahu
She's going to give them horns.
shane cashman
And tentacles.
And tentacles.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
The horns I can believe.
shane cashman
Yeah, they got both.
Yeah, they're like little krakens.
tim pool
Is this real, though?
Like this is.
shane cashman
Real story.
You can look it up.
tim pool
Like an actual NBC News reporter kind of thing.
shane cashman
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
What?
shane cashman
We've got pictures and everything.
tim pool
I'm going to put that up now.
shane cashman
I'm going to get one for here.
tim pool
Jackalopes are real.
Phil's hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the Have You Metal Band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the news, man.
From the AP, Trump says he's placing Washington police under federal control and activating the National Guard.
phil labonte
Good.
tim pool
Actually, I think we can just play this video here and you can hear from Trump himself.
donald j trump
And we're here for a very serious purpose, very serious purpose.
Something's out of control, but we're going to put it in control very quickly, like we did on the southern border.
I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam, and squalor, and worse.
This is Liberation Day in D.C., and we're going to take our capital back.
We're taking it back under the authorities vested in me as the President of the United States.
I'm officially invoking Section 740 of the District of Columbia Home Rule Act.
You know what that is?
And placing the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department under direct federal control, and you'll be meeting the people that will be directly involved with that.
Very good people, but they're tough and they know what's happening, and they've done it before.
In addition, I'm deploying the National Guard to help reestablish law, order, and public safety in Washington, D.C., and they're going to be allowed to do their job properly.
And you people are victims of it, too.
You know, you're reporters, and I understand a lot of you tend to be on the liberal side, but you don't want to get you don't want to get mugged and raped and shot and killed.
And you all know people and friends of yours that that happened.
tim pool
Here's what I find absolutely insane.
We are in the D.C. area.
We're not that far away.
We go there quite a bit.
We were there over the past several weeks for the live Culture War podcast shows.
Crime is really bad.
There's tent cities everywhere.
Homelessness is really bad.
And we have to discuss security protocol for staff before we go because we know it's really bad and there's liability issues.
It is remarkable to me to see all of these political class liberals going on social media, putting up videos where they say there's no crime, crime is down, Trump is lying.
It's a military takeover.
I'm just thinking to myself, like, who are they talking to?
Because you know what?
At this point, they're not talking to people who live in cities.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Because people who live in cities are like, I don't like crime.
So is he talking to like the boomer in a retirement home who's not, you know, like Mark Elias' video where it's like, Trump is doing this to take over to have federal takeovers of American cities with soldiers and blah, blah, blah.
He's done it before.
I'll do it again.
It's like, well, D.C. crime is, it's 27 murders per 100,000.
That's insane.
That's more than many, most of our cities in this country.
That's intolerable.
So it is remarkable to me that there are people who genuinely believe the lies coming from the press that crime is in a 30-year low and everything's safe.
phil labonte
I think that it's easy for them to believe the lies because they want to, right?
Like if Trump does something, their knee-jerk reaction is going to be, you know, it's bad because Trump did it, or if Trump's lying, this isn't true.
That just seems fairly obvious to me, right?
Like that's just what they always do.
They say Trump said it, so I disagree.
vince dao
Yeah, no, they've basically done the first, the full circle back to like 2020, where crime is good and basically defending crime as their political position.
But even then, the argument that crime is down, even if you want to believe their statistics, which are probably fake, as we noted, the argument is basically, I think they said it's down like 7% from last year.
That still means you're having a crime rate that's three times the rate of Mexico City.
I mean, I'm sure many people saw the chart that was released today.
It's like, you know, it's the same thing with Karen Bass and the homeless.
If you have a problem that's at record highs and you bring it down like 2%, the argument is, oh, the problem is now fixed.
And that's obviously such a ridiculous argument.
And yeah, we've all been a DC.
I was at Union Station, I think, last time in October 2024.
You're literally stepping over homeless people in the capital.
And I think that's also an underrated aspect of this story.
It's not just about cleaning up crime.
He's also trying to basically make it to where homeless people should not at least be in the capital zone.
I mean, that's like the pride jewel of our nation.
There's no reason people from this country and around the world should come to our center of our country and see that.
It's insane.
shane cashman
These politicians don't mean anything they say.
These are the same people who said January 6th is worse than Pearl Harbor.
And now crime is nothing.
So they just pick and choose what's going to scare the people.
vince dao
And it was okay to federalize D.C. back then, right?
It was a fire.
shane cashman
Yeah, cover it in barbed wire.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I just don't, like I said, it's just Trump said this.
So, you know, they just have to say Trump's wrong.
It was the same thing with like when Trump was criticizing Haiti or saying, you know, Haiti's a nightmare, which Haiti is a nightmare.
shane cashman
Total nightmare.
tim pool
And then Conan went to a resort with armed guards, went swimming and said, look how beautiful it is.
And it's evil.
It's great.
I don't understand.
Conan knew what he did.
Conan flew in with armed security because he would die otherwise and staged a fake Potemkin show, knowing he did it.
Maybe there's something about communism, Potemkin villages.
shane cashman
Yeah, their preferred politicians, the Clintons, are the ones who helped destroy Haiti, you know, for decades.
You know, literally Bill and Hillary honeymoon there and looked at each other and said, we should destroy this place.
tim pool
I genuinely believe, look, guys, I'm not one to ever just be conspiratorial as much as the media might lie and say that I am.
I always have some basis for my thoughts and opinions from some news report, which can be troubling because sometimes often they're lying.
I genuinely believe USAID was funneling money to prop up media and big channels like Colbert getting canceled and whatever.
I think directly or indirectly, the U.S. government, maybe it was USAD or otherwise, USAID or otherwise, was funding sock puppet bot accounts online to prop up liberal personalities to make it look like they were getting traffic.
Because we saw this when Elon announced he was buying Twitter.
All these liberals, you guys remember this?
They lost hundreds of thousands to millions of followers.
When Elon won the court battle and he was going to buy, it was like someone at Twitter said, quick, burn everything.
And they started eliminating millions of bot accounts.
vince dao
I think it's the same thing, the current debate with removing illegals from the census.
Because when you even look at the supposed 50-50 split of America and how competitive every election is and it comes down to Pennsylvania, that's all fake.
You look at the state like California, I mean, massively inflated in the electoral count because of illegal aliens.
tim pool
No, no.
What if it's crazier than this?
What if the new census finds that we didn't track this, but there's census fraud?
What if Democrats in California were increasing the amount of people in the census count because nobody checks?
And it's going to turn out that California's actually only got 36 million people.
What do they have?
50 something, they claim 16?
16 million?
phil labonte
10 million people live in California?
vince dao
I don't remember.
tim pool
No, no, no, I'm saying total people.
shane cashman
I don't know.
tim pool
The illegal immigrant argument might actually just be a red herring.
The real issue might be that Democrats have been just claiming more people live there when they get 39.5 million.
Right.
phil labonte
39,520,000 times.
tim pool
And what if it comes out?
It's like actually they added 3 to 4 million to the number, giving themselves extra seats without actually anyone living there.
shane cashman
That's dead internet theory, but in the physical world.
tim pool
Let me ask you, how many times have we or anyone else talked about census fraud?
Never.
Never.
So I wouldn't be surprised with Trump doing the census move now if the reason they're freaking out is they're like, it's not about illegal immigrants.
It's about, you know, they do ballot harvesting and they do.
We watch them do it and people get paid to collect ballots.
Why would I not believe at the same time they're saying, you know, that census form you got filled out?
They said three people live there?
Make it six.
shane cashman
It's like when Doge found all those dead people getting benefits.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
Like a 190-year-old guy getting benefits still.
unidentified
Yep.
shane cashman
Considering people who vote still.
vince dao
Consider how much that warps your understanding of American politics and the supposed competitiveness.
You look back to 2024, it's like, wow.
No, actually, this country is not 50-50.
It's the entire majority or split of Democrats or liberals the past at least decade or so is essentially fake.
You know, it is.
elad eliahu
I think the bigger picture story in regards to Trump bringing in the National Guard and taking over the Metropolitan Police is this is another example of him flexing his executive authority on the Democrats.
I think he's frankly being politically wise not to let a good tragedy go to waste.
We saw big balls get beat up.
That was that former Doge staffer, I believe it was.
And there's bloody pictures of him and he saw the opportunity despite whatever the crime rates in D.C. may be.
He's like, I'm going to take over.
And I think he's using this as a roadmap to do in other cities.
He actually implied it in the press briefing today that he had that he might do this in other cities.
He mentioned Chicago.
He mentioned New York.
So I think this is just another example of him trying to flex those muscles.
I think we should be honest here, too.
D.C.'s an 80-20 area.
He's taking control of where Democrats work and live and flexing his muscles onto them and saying, I'm going to bring the National Guard.
tim pool
No, no, no, but let's also not forget that all of the highest crime cities are run by Democrats.
elad eliahu
Definitely.
And he's going to use that as an excuse to bring in the National Guard.
Not as an excuse, not as a reason.
tim pool
I don't think it's an excuse for the targeting of Democrats.
It's just a correlation, not a cause.
So they're going to say Trump is targeting Democrats.
No, it's just that all the worst cities are Democrat.
Run.
Trump's not saying, I'm coming after you, Democrats.
He's saying crime is really bad.
I'm coming to your city.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
And he also did bring in the National Guard, people say a little bit too soon into Los Angeles or wherever those anti-ICE protests were in California.
vince dao
The city was already on fire, bro.
elad eliahu
I foresee him doing that in other cities down the line.
phil labonte
Look at the results of him bringing the National Guard into LA.
It worked, right?
Like the whole point of the National Guard going to LA was they were there to basically do crowd control while ICE did their jobs.
And that's probably the blueprint that he's going to use in D.C. and other places.
The military or the National Guard will be there for crowd control to make sure that people aren't interfering with law enforcement carrying out their duties because he federalized law enforcement as well.
So if there's National Guard on site, it's only there to make sure that law enforcement, who is being directed by the Trump administration now, by the federal government, can carry out their job.
shane cashman
Should he do it in other cities?
elad eliahu
If crime rises to the rate or protests or riots aren't going to be able to be controlled by the police departments that exist there.
tim pool
What do you mean if crime rises to the rate?
elad eliahu
Like, I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know what the murder rate in our cities is.
elad eliahu
Like D.C. specifically, I think you said it was something like 27 every hundred thousand.
tim pool
Chicago's 20.
You know, Detroit is 37.
Baltimore is 45.
elad eliahu
How the question is, what do you think the line should be for when he sends in the National Guard or has to nationalize whatever police department?
tim pool
You know, I'm going to be liberal and say 10.
elad eliahu
10.
unidentified
Okay.
Okay.
tim pool
But, you know, we can take a look at the per capita deaths of, let's do Malma, Sweden, because I went there and that was a big deal.
It's one.
And so we look at these other countries where their murder rate is one per 100,000.
And we're supposed to be happy that DC's got a higher murder rate than what did they say, like Bogota and Columbia or whatever?
That's insane.
The crazy thing is they'll let crimes down.
Yeah, but it's still 27 murders per 100,000.
What's wrong with you people?
It's like you're watching a dude smash up your house light on fire and you're like, yeah, yeah, but they're smashing up less than they did yesterday.
I don't care.
Stop them.
Stop it all.
So the Insurrection Act, this is a funny argument.
Trump could invoke the Insurrection Act and deploy active duty military for law enforcement if the laws are not being enforced at the local level.
One could argue that right now, any reasonable person would be like, yeah, Chicago ain't got no law enforcement.
And the local cops might say, our hands are tied.
They won't let us do it.
NYPD might say the same thing.
I say this.
If the unions in these, here's a good criteria.
If the police unions, I'm not a big fan of the police unions, but any public sector unions or any unions.
But if awful.
If the police union come out and say, every time we make an arrest, they're let go.
We can't enforce the law.
Trump goes, okay, send in the troops.
The police have said it.
I think that's criteria.
elad eliahu
I suspect this will be the blueprint for many other cities when we see any sort of flare-ups.
I think Trump has his finger on the button ready to deploy when he sees anybody, you know, challenging his authority.
phil labonte
I mean, look, if there's an inkling of any kind of riots like they had in 2020, I think it's a good thing that he's actually willing to take the steps necessary to prevent the riots from destroying property, destroying people's livelihoods, killing people, which is what happened during 2020.
So I don't think it's a problem at all.
The federal government has the authority to do that.
And I don't think it's an issue.
elad eliahu
I do also believe that the cities have been overrun with crime for a while.
And I think there was a fascinating media picture here because Trump has a lot of Fox News alumni beside him at this daily briefing where He spoke about wanting to bring in the National Guard and such.
He was standing next to former Judge Janine Pirro.
He was standing next to Pete Hexeth, among others.
So this has been a narrative, a correct narrative.
When I say narrative, I don't imply this to be false about how there is crime that needs to be addressed in the cities.
And I believe Trump is attacking that narrative head-on and trying to dispel it by sending in the National Guards to try to address it.
So this is something that I think he thinks will play very popular with the base trying to address crime in these cities because I think those narratives play very well on news networks like Fox News.
vince dao
You know, it's a winning issue, but I think this is also just something that Trump genuinely cares about and a lot of other Republicans wouldn't think to do.
And why is that?
Because Trump is a New Yorker.
He's a real estate developer, right?
He's someone who comes from the cities.
I think he has a love for it.
And I think that, you know, a lot of conservatives kind of have this mentality that, oh, if we kind of retreat into rural America, whatever, just stay out of those liberal hellholes, everything will be fine.
But Trump is basically kind of taking this approach that no, America's cities are kind of the icons of our civilization.
We should take them back.
We should make them safe and livable places to be.
And that's something conservatives should prioritize, actually.
You know what I mean?
tim pool
Stop agreeing a lot.
People get entertained when we argue with each other.
elad eliahu
Well, you're about retreating from the cities.
I think we need to take him back over.
tim pool
Yes, let's go.
Elad, you're wrong.
elad eliahu
No, we need to take the cities back over.
We can't let Mom Dani and these other communists take over.
Trump needs to involve himself in the mayoral race in New York.
He needs to tell Curtis Leewood a dropout.
And I don't know if I'm endorsing Eric Adams or Cuomo here, but I agree with you.
It's putting me in a really tough bond between Iraq and a hard place here.
The communist, Eric Adams, the only person who I've ever voted for when I voted one time, or Andrew Cuomo, the guy who did a shit job during COVID and allegedly groping many of his staffers.
tim pool
I want to jump to the story from Newsweek real quick.
We've got this from Newsweek.
As Trump floats new census, how many people really live in the U.S.?
Now, liberals are freaking out saying what Trump is doing is unconstitutional.
It's illegal.
It's not possible.
It can't be done.
I think, my friends, I'm going to tell you this.
I have a couple of conspiracy theories for you.
I think there are substantially less people than they're letting on.
I think that it's entirely possible the census is fake or that there's census fraud.
Why?
We've talked about how Democrats bring in illegal immigrants to pad the censorship, I'm censor, the census numbers, not censorship.
The more people they have in their states, the more congressional seats they get.
Illegal immigrants count towards this.
I don't even understand why we even made that argument.
It's much, much easier for them to just claim somebody's there when they're not and no one checks.
In the census, what is it?
On the form that you say how many people are in your house and they just write a number down?
The number is probably fake.
Newsweek writes: President Trump announced Thursday he was ordering a new U.S. census that would exclude undocumented immigrants, arguing that it's unconstitutional to count them, despite courts regularly holding census, must count everyone regardless of immigration status.
With estimates on the undocumented population varying widely from around 11 million to a size 20, just how big is the U.S. population?
Excuse me, they say currently it's 334 million, 334,914,896.
The figure is broken down by native-born population at 85.7 and foreign-born population at 14.3, with nearly two-thirds of the latter having entered the U.S. before 2010.
Out of 47.8 million foreign-born U.S. residents, 24.9 million were naturalized citizens.
Democrats are freaking out saying Trump can't do this.
We'll see if he can.
But I'm curious, how many of you think the census is fraudulent?
elad eliahu
So I think you have good reason to believe this because I do recall a story actually where I'm actually reading right now, Key House Committee has begun an investigation in the Census Bureau overcount and undercounts that favor Democrats in awarding congressional appointments and electoral college votes.
I believe there were issues with this in the last census where it did overcount in the Democrats.
vince dao
The Census Bureau admitted it publicly.
And after all, I mean, I don't know why no one's ever asked the question: if you were conducting a census during the COVID lockdowns, how could that possibly be accurate?
Seems like just a logistical issue there.
So, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, look, even if the census were accurate, I still think that redoing the census is a perfectly good idea because of the fact that the Biden administration left the border open for four years and literally was welcoming people in, you know, for any reason at all.
tim pool
So, yeah, I understood.
I don't care if there's a Reason or not.
At this point, I'm like, we know that there's a problem with how we count people in this country and we are applying political power to non-citizens.
Don't do it.
My attitude is just at this point when Trump says, if Trump came out and said, there's no reason, I just want to make sure that Americans are being counted properly and we're apportioning congressional seats, political power, and resources evenly, I'd say, okay.
If Trump came out and said, there's crime and we're shutting it down, I'd be like, yep, because Democrats have lied and run roughshot over us for four decades.
shane cashman
It'd be nice to do it before the midterms, too.
tim pool
That's what's happening, maybe.
vince dao
You know what it's like?
tim pool
It's messed with the Texas stuff.
vince dao
On the constitutional argument, I mean, at least pre-Biden, most or at least a huge number of illegal aliens are here on visa overstays.
So if you're here counted as a, if you're here as a tourist, you're not counted in the visa, but then suddenly after you overstay the 90 days, then you would be counted.
I don't know if that argument even makes sense from their perspective.
phil labonte
It shouldn't.
vince dao
Yeah, it shouldn't.
tim pool
Well, I think one reason that Trump wants a new census, it's not just, I think it's a direct, it's planned, right?
He says, ICE, lock everybody up.
You, self-deport.
I think Trump's actually saying, no, no, even if we count illegal immigrants, we're going to find the numbers way down.
It's going to change the game.
elad eliahu
If they want to redo the census, I think a key component here would be if they filled out and put are you a citizen question this time.
There's legal lawsuit battles when Donald Trump tried to incorporate this during the first term.
The question is super important because it either scares off people who are illegal immigrants from filling out the form altogether, or it gives information to the government of where illegal immigrants are currently staying, which would make them a potential, you know, you'd have the information to send over right over to ICE to potentially detain a department.
vince dao
Or they don't answer and then they don't get so.
elad eliahu
So I think that's the important thing to consider.
The last time Trump did it in his first term and he tried to include that, there were court battles over it.
And I believe he ultimately lost that court battle.
But that would be crucial in swaying it in the Republicans' direction.
But I think we should also be honest here.
This is all just power politics and Republicans and Democrats are just trying to justify their power politics.
I don't think people are being principled here.
Not whether that's good or bad, but I think the ultimate goal that the president has is to keep his majority.
He does not want to have to deal with a Democrat-led majority.
They would investigate every single thing that he did and they would likely impeach him.
And he does not want his final two years of his presidency to be like that.
tim pool
I think when you look at the facts a lot, you'll find that, well, the Republican Party is largely garbage.
The right tends to be more on principle.
So it is a let's just say 80-20 on the right, principle is going to be the guiding force.
80-20 on the left, power is going to be the guiding force.
And the example I'll give you right now is: we know that crime is really bad in D.C. I'm actually going to pull up the proof for you in a second.
Not so much the proof, but well, no, we can pull up the crime stats and all that stuff.
Crime has been, they're saying crime is way, way down.
phil labonte
But when you go the highest murder rate in the country.
tim pool
It's not the highest.
phil labonte
Well, that's what Google did.
tim pool
Detroit, Baltimore, there's highest points.
phil labonte
2024 District of Columbia has the highest murder rate in the United States with a rate of 27.54 homicides per 100,000 residents.
So this is according to...
Braves, AI or whatever.
tim pool
Look up per capita murder rate in Baltimore and tell me that's higher than D.C. I'll do Google.
We'll take that one for now.
But my point is, right now, in response to what Trump is doing, you've got videos popping up where they're saying crime is not bad.
It's like, well, hold on, bro.
We live here.
I see it all the time.
We go there.
We go there once or twice a week.
I get dinner there.
And I can see homeless camps on the sidewalk in the middle of the city.
There was a shooting a couple blocks away from the White House.
vince dao
This is crazy.
There's been like multiple shootings, haven't they?
tim pool
Yo, at National Harbor, which is not, it's the D.C. metro.
It's just south of D.C. when you're in Maryland.
There's a stabbing and a robbing, robbery like our mugging every week or every other week.
It's in the news all the time.
Yo, at the National Harbor Hotel, some dudes with rifles shot a dude through the gut in the hotel, and the dude fled from the building with blood spray.
And this was a year ago.
And this is the DC metro in what is supposed to be a very nice area, very close to the airport, to DCA.
This stuff happens all the time.
Fine, make the argument, but it's down.
It's still ridiculously high.
Give me the context.
If the liberals came out and said, okay, to be fair, crime is really bad.
It's going down, though.
So if they wanted to make the argument that Trump shouldn't do it because crime is on the decline, so he doesn't need it right now.
It's working.
I'd say, okay, I still think Trump should, Trump doing this isn't, that's an argument.
I get it.
I would just argue that Trump is doing the right thing by going faster.
But they're not arguing that.
They're arguing crime is at the lowest point in 30 years.
So my point is, call it power politics.
But when you take a look at this right now, Trump says, we have the DOJ issuing the grand jury probe against the ObamaGate stuff, right?
As they should, because we know at the bare minimum, there's probable cause that a crime was committed, and we want a grand jury to determine whether or not charges should be brought.
Their arguments, the Democrats, is that Trump is getting revenge against the people who tried to hold him accountable.
But we know the criminal charge, like Letitia James, for instance.
They're probing her.
What did they do?
A grand jury investigation against her or something like that.
No, no, she was subpoenaed.
elad eliahu
I can't remember.
tim pool
No, no, there's something recently last week.
I was out because I had strained my vocal cord.
That's what happened.
You can hear me.
I'm a little raspy.
But anyway, my point is, Letitia James is crooked.
Like the felony charges brought against Trump were crooked.
The civil fraud charges brought against Trump were crooked.
We know that.
So the DOJ says, we're going to go after the corrupt.
And the Democrats respond with, he's weaponizing the DOJ against us.
No, he's using the DOJ as it's intended to be used to stop corruption from you.
So I get your point where I'm saying it's just power politics.
But if you actually break the facts down, Trump's right.
It's crazy that this has been the case for 10 years.
Don't care if you like Trump.
Don't care if you like Trump's policies.
The Democrats arrested his lawyers, made false charges against them.
You want to sit there and say J6 was bad and Trump did it?
Okay, I won't even argue that.
The felony charges on the documents being altered case, fake, beyond the statute of limitations, could not be brought.
They brought it anyway.
The rape charges, they created a special law just to go after Trump for this on a 30-year-old claim with no real evidence.
And then you had the civil fraud where the bank said he never defrauded us.
He actually gave us the documents and told us, not to mention it wasn't Trump himself.
It's crazy.
Trump runs a company.
His staff goes to these banks and says, here's the numbers we believe to be correct.
One of the papers in those documents says, do your own due diligence.
We may have got some of this information wrong.
They said, we will.
They came back and said, hey, you got the square footage wrong on this building.
And they went, oops.
And they said, we're going to lower the loan amount because of that.
And they said, okay.
And there's a handshake.
Everybody made money was happy.
And then he got sued by the state for civil fraud.
unidentified
It's fake.
tim pool
It's all fake.
What do we expect to happen?
The DOJ should go after the corrupt, but they're going to come out and say, nope, Trump's weaponizing the OJ against them.
They're evil.
That's just it.
elad eliahu
And that's why a lot of the people who argue that it's politically motivated have no credibility because they were behind politically motivated attacks for so long.
Schiff's the prime example of this with how much he perpetrated the Russia collusion hoax.
phil labonte
No one should care what any Democrats say.
If you're on the right, just ignore them.
They're going to make stuff up.
They're going to say whatever they can say to get their base fired up.
They don't have significant political power right now.
Steamroll them.
They don't matter.
They're going to complain no matter what he does.
So just continue with the policies that you were elected to institute.
Steamroll him.
tim pool
Let's jump to this.
We have a tweet from everyone's favorite, Hillary Clinton.
She said, as you listen to an unhinged Trump try to justify deploying the National Guard to D.C., here's a reality.
Violent crime in D.C. is at a 30-year low.
What's this?
From the DOJ, January 3rd, 2025.
Total violent crime for 2024 in the District of Columbia is down 35% from 23 and the lowest.
It's been in over 30 years, according to data collected by the Metropolitan Police Department and announced by the U.S. Attorney Matthew M. Graves.
In addition to overall violent crime reduction, homicides are down 32%.
Robberies are down 39%, armed carjackings.
And here's the actual post from the DOJ.
And I got to say, wow, under the Biden administration, they announced crime was at a 30-year low.
So it sounds like crooked old Donald Trump is just trying to deploy the troops for no reason at all.
No reason at all.
Oh.
From NBC Washington, D.C. police commander suspended and accused of changing crime stats.
Now, why would he do that?
The union claims police supervisors in the department manipulate crime data to make it appear violent crime has fallen considerably compared to last year.
Oh, so you mean crime's actually really bad?
Uh-huh.
Now, it's an accusation.
We don't know for sure.
It's not definitive.
But it is funny that under Biden, they're coming out and they're saying straight up like, no, no, everything's fine.
Crime's way down.
And then we get this story.
This was from three weeks ago, July 18th.
This commander was suspended.
They claim he was flubbing the numbers to make it seem like crime was done when it's not.
Anybody who has eyes to see can go to D.C. There was a really great post.
Mike Cernovich had because Ken Delaneyan.
I think he's NBC.
He tweeted, Trump is claiming crime is up.
He's deploying the National Guard, blah, blah.
But despite the fact that crime is down, it's misinformation.
And Cernovich said, I'd love to get you a GoPro strapped to your body, send you into some D.C. neighborhoods, and you can report on just how nice D.C. really is.
Yeah.
I've made the argument with Chicago.
Nobody took me off on it.
Up on it.
I was like, hey, I got an idea.
Anybody who thinks crime is like, because it was an argument about Chicago is being nice, I'm like, I got some neighborhoods I can walk you through.
And then nobody wanted to do it for some reason.
These liberals, these leftists wouldn't go walk through some of these neighborhoods.
vince dao
Let's send Conan there.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Let's send Conan to the west side in Chicago.
Man.
phil labonte
So I don't want to be liable for that.
So I used Google and it brought up USA Facts.
And it says that Memphis is number one.
St. Louis is number two.
Baltimore, number three.
Murder rate.
Memphis is number one for the murder rate.
St. Louis is number two.
Baltimore.
unidentified
Memphis.
phil labonte
D.C., Birmingham.
Chicago's not even in the top, whatever, 10, 15 here.
tim pool
Really?
phil labonte
Yeah.
elad eliahu
And do you think you have the numbers two per 100,000?
phil labonte
Yeah, homicides per 100,000.
Memphis, 40.9 per 100,000.
St. Louis, 37.6 per 100,000.
Baltimore, 36.3 per 100,000.
Washington, 35.9 per 100,000.
elad eliahu
The president has a lot of areas to send the National Guard, huh?
A lot of cities.
phil labonte
It is what it is.
elad eliahu
One of the most fascinating parts about all of this, I believe, is how, again, the president is disenfranchising Democrats.
But in this particular case, D.C. Mayor Bowser is supposed to have control over the Metropolitan Police.
And Trump just said, you know what?
Actually, Attorney General Pam Bondi, you actually now control the Metropolitan Police, snapped his fingers and said, yeah, right now you are in control.
So it's just amazing how, you know, the Democrats are being shoved out of the way, out of power by the president.
And he really is flexing those executive muscles against these Democrats.
shane cashman
Was it Bowser that denied his call for more troops during the inauguration?
tim pool
I believe.
shane cashman
Not the inauguration, but Jay Sigs.
Yeah, Jay Six.
elad eliahu
I think Nancy Pelosi was involved.
tim pool
I think it was Mayor Bowser.
Yeah.
I just don't care.
Ladies and gentlemen, do you want to fight or do you want to lay down and lose?
I look at the rate of crime in all of our cities.
And it was really funny.
I had an incident occur over the weekend.
I end up having to call the police and talk to them about something.
And I was just thinking the whole time how awesome this cop was.
And I'm like, Michael Mouse is wrong.
You know, he's like, don't talk to the cops ever.
And I'm going to talk to this guy.
And we were shooting the ish and he's telling me stories.
And he really helped me out.
And he just said, hey, look, man, we're not like Chicago out here where they love crime.
I started laughing.
I'm like, that's why I left.
Because we're in West Virginia and I stand by this.
Small town local cops are real cops.
These are the guys that are going to be like, how's it going, man?
They're going to shake your hand and be like, what can I do for you?
How can we figure this one out and try and mediate and resolve these issues?
And they know you and they know your business.
And even in smaller towns, which are still pretty big relative to how big, you know, like we're talking like 30,000 people is a big city at this point, right?
Small town in the United States.
But even in towns like this, there's a lot of people.
They have a general idea of the coffee shop you go to and you can relate to each other.
You go to New York, you got a cop who's got a low-paying job, who doesn't live in the city limits, or he lives in Staten Island.
He has a commute, and he's got a boss who's a Democrat appointed by another Democrat, and he does not know you and he does not care.
So they say, stop wasting my time.
I don't know you, and I don't want to deal with this.
unidentified
Yep.
shane cashman
It's a faceless crowd.
I don't care.
The local cops at least know.
I mean, I've, trust me, I've dealt with some really bad local cops.
But more than often, more often than not, they know you and they want to keep their community safe and they care about the people there.
tim pool
So from WirePoints, Financial News, I pulled up a top 10 list.
It's very similar to what Phil pulled up, but they say St. Louis is 52.9 murders per 100,000.
What did you have?
phil labonte
37.6.
And I'm not sure the exact date of when this was.
This is, it looks like this is 2023.
tim pool
Okay, this is 2024.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
St. Louis is 52.9 at number One, Memphis, 38.
Baltimore, 35.
New Orleans, 34.
Detroit, 32.
Cleveland, what?
30.
Kansas City, 28.
D.C., 27.
Atlanta, 24.
And Milwaukee, 23.
So wait, wait.
Washington, D.C., wasn't on your list?
phil labonte
D.C. is 35.9 per 100,000 in 2023.
35?
35.
tim pool
Oh, so it is way down.
Only 27.
So it dropped off from the fourth worst to the eighth worst.
shane cashman
It should be gas prices, $4 to $350.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I didn't hear one city that I think anybody cares about, though.
I don't even think the president cared enough to mention any of those.
shane cashman
I care about all our cities.
tim pool
Have you been to the harbor in Baltimore?
elad eliahu
Nope.
tim pool
It's awesome.
It is.
It is sad.
elad eliahu
Well, it sounds like there's a ton of crime over there.
It sounds like the president needs to send it to National.
tim pool
Well, the harbor is not so bad, but crime is massively bad in Baltimore.
Yeah.
And it's a shame.
shane cashman
It's bad everywhere.
I mean, the city, New York City is brutal.
Like in Times Square, my family who works there, they're seeing crazy stuff every day in the daylight.
And they're saying it's like how it was in the 70s when it was Warzone.
elad eliahu
That's a little bit crazy of a comparison, but there's a lot of crime.
shane cashman
I think I'm 31.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
And they're like in their 60s who lived through the 70s of the city when it was a total bar.
elad eliahu
I think we could pull up the crime rates, though, of like the murder per capita.
Yeah, I'm sure you could.
shane cashman
But they live through this, and a lot of people are getting shot at constantly.
There's people getting shot in the daylight on 44th Street, which is stuff that they work there all the time.
And this is stuff that was not happening up until the last few years, four or five years.
And it reminds them of how deranged it was throughout the 70s when that city was on fire.
That's when Berkowitz was doing his thing.
So maybe you have a Berkowitz coming.
phil labonte
He was doing his thing.
shane cashman
Talking to the dogs.
elad eliahu
I think the president is also kind of anticipating the socialist mayor winning Mom Dani in New York City.
And this will be a blueprint for when things go astray in New York City.
He's just going to be ready to have his finger on the button and send to the National Guard as soon as things go wrong over there.
unidentified
Look how bad the subways are there.
elad eliahu
How bad are the subways?
shane cashman
Corpses are getting raped.
That's pretty bad.
There's people lighting themselves on fire.
There's robots patrolling the subways.
It sounds pretty dystopian.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
Three guys got shot near where we were at that event in the city.
DuPont just recently on the 27th of July.
Wow.
Yeah.
shane cashman
But it's all cities.
I think this is not unique to all cities.
Just some cities have it more than others.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I think some cities are a lot worse than others.
So again, New York City didn't crack the what, top 10, 20 or whatever cities that we spoke of.
So you have to look at this per 100,000.
I do also find it fascinating that President Trump mentioned the youth, the youth mobs that are running through D.C. I still find that euphemism fascinating.
We're talking about 14, 15, 16, 17-year-old, black or brown boys running around committing crimes, shooting guns.
Judge Jeanine Pirro actually mentioned it in today's briefing how they are unable to charge young men as they ride the line of certain crimes because they're charged as minors.
And she said they're serious criminals who need to be gone after.
I think President Trump also put out on a truth social that he wants to go after minors, criminal minors who commit these crimes, which is something, is certainly something.
shane cashman
There's kids killing people.
It's crazy.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I don't know that that will actually fix anything if they go after minors.
I don't have a problem with it, to be honest with you.
If you commit crimes like that, you're pretty well.
I mean, you kind of know what you're doing.
elad eliahu
Well, it's these youths, these YNs who are really behind the carjackings, the murderings, the robberies that we're seeing in a lot of these cities.
I know there's a popular trend of like stealing these, was it Kias or whatever car?
There was a certain hack that was easy to rob.
And we've been seeing there was a trend among these young kids looking for thrills, looking to steal stuff, looking for lower with their low inhibitions as they're still young, but causing a ton of damage and a ton of violence.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I mean, they're also committing murders.
It's not like they're late 20s people that are committing these murders.
So if the solution is take these kids off the street and put them in some kind of juvenile detention or whatever and carry it over into regular prison when they reach 18, I think that might, if that's the solution that they have to go with, that's what they do.
vince dao
I also think when you de-incentivize something, you get less of it.
You incentivize, you get more of it.
So how many do you think will just kind of ease off or stop doing this because of it?
I'm not sure.
elad eliahu
I don't know.
phil labonte
Yeah.
elad eliahu
So like if they change the crime such that you could go after a 15 or 16 year old for doing a carjacking or murdering somebody, I don't know if it would go down because I don't know if the kids with low inhibitions at 14, 15, 16 care about the law to begin with or know the consequences of their action to begin with.
shane cashman
I think a lot of it has to do with nihilism and younger people.
They have no meaning in their lives and they don't really care about the consequences.
elad eliahu
Well, these are like, but there's got to be happy neighborhoods.
There's low-income housing.
D.C. is full of low-income housing.
phil labonte
You're going to end up in jail anyways.
elad eliahu
Single-parent households.
Drugs are running rampant.
Homelessness is rampant in part of D.C. You have these kind of like everything looks like crap in so much of the city.
phil labonte
It looks like an argument for the broken windows policy, right?
If you try to make these places look better, then people aren't going to think that they're just garbage neighborhoods.
And granted, it's not a fix-all, but it's something that it's worth doing because it's worked in New York.
You know, in the 90s, that was something that Rudy Giuliani did, and it worked.
shane cashman
He did ship all the homeless to my neck of the woods.
phil labonte
Sorry about that.
shane cashman
Newberg got hit hard.
I mean, but it definitely cleaned up the city.
tim pool
Yeah, that was funny.
elad eliahu
We can't.
If they open up asylums, then I mean they have to go somewhere.
shane cashman
Asylums would be albatross.
phil labonte
They should open up the asylums.
I thought that there was an executive orderly somewhere.
elad eliahu
I think he was implying that he was just going to push them out.
He was like, I don't care where you go, but you can't stay in DC.
tim pool
Well, the scary thing about the asylums is when the liberal pharmaceutical doctors look at Shane and they say, so you believe that clouds are fake.
And then, sir.
And then, okay, right this way, sir.
And then you can't leave.
elad eliahu
If institutions are vocational, what percent of the company gets institutionalized?
phil labonte
A company?
elad eliahu
Yeah, Tim Cash.
This company.
tim pool
Oh, everybody.
elad eliahu
Everybody?
tim pool
Yeah, they're going to be like, they call me a far-right conspiracy theorist, and they're going to be like, yeah, oh, what's that?
You think that there's a cabal of elites who are orchestrating global events?
And I'll be like, call politicians, and they're going to be like, lock them up.
elad eliahu
I'll call our APAC guys.
I'll make sure we get somebody.
unidentified
Yes.
elad eliahu
Shane, you're off for it.
We're throwing you in the gulak for it.
phil labonte
Good.
unidentified
Good.
shane cashman
It's going to be awesome.
tim pool
The other day, Elod fell on the scooter and two AIPAC guys ran in and carried him out and brought him to the hospital.
And we were like, whoa, that was weird.
elad eliahu
And they were like, sue him, sue him.
And I was like, no, no, he's a good boss.
He's a good guy.
He's one of the good ones.
They're like, are you sure you could get a big settlement out of him?
They said, no, okay.
I signed a contract.
They said, no, we're going to get out of it.
And I was like, well, you can't get out of it.
I really want to screw Tim over like this.
He wears the big head.
I don't know what's under it.
Actually, I do.
I saw a video of what's under it.
tim pool
It's a little hit.
elad eliahu
A little hit.
tim pool
On the Matan thing, there were some ideas for jokes that I could have done putting a yamuka under my beanie.
phil labonte
It should have been a beanie, but a much smaller beanie.
tim pool
Matan was going to say that he was like, you're going to pull your head off and there's a smaller hat or something.
shane cashman
Do people know that you actually shaved your head for that bit?
Yeah.
Full head of hair.
tim pool
No, the funny thing is that some outlet wrote, Tim Poole has full head of hair.
And I was like, and the people responded with like, whoa, I didn't think that was going to happen.
And I'm like, people believe the craziest thing.
It's so weird.
shane cashman
We got Tim Without a Beanie before the Epstein files.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
We got this from Tech Radar.
Bots now account for over half of all internet traffic.
And this is an old story.
I don't care about this one.
I bring this up to make a point.
Last week, we were looking at Google search trending data.
The top trending story on Wednesday was Intel CEO, and it had 10,000 searches.
And I thought to myself, how is it possible at like 11 in the morning, workday business hours, the top search trend on Google was only 10,000 searches.
Thought there were 334 million people in this country.
So I have a couple theories.
I tweeted this.
I said the dead internet is being exposed.
I wonder how much of USAID money was funding bots to make certain content appear popular.
And the reason why I associate USAID with this is just because it was a massive slush fund that USAID we know was swaying public opinion in foreign countries.
For example, their involvement with supporting protest groups in Ukraine.
Those protest groups were very much pro-EU, and so this was the general idea.
Would it be at all absurd to think maybe some of that money was being used on American influence campaigns to control popular opinion in the United States?
Trump shuts it down, and all of a sudden, what do we see?
Some just say, well, it's an off year and search traffic is down.
I made a couple of points.
One theory is that no young people.
I have another tweet that's gone viral and I said, you're going to notice it more every year.
It's going to get worse.
Plus and less people here, less sales, less viewers.
We went to Chicago for 4th of July.
Nobody was anywhere.
I went to my neighborhood.
When I was a kid, you drive down every block.
There were basically block parties happening.
Everybody was out in their block.
Kids were in the middle of the street, lighting off little UFOs, floating in the air, and bottle rockets, every alley, exploding every possible direction all day.
You go to the park, there's baseball games, and it was crazy.
Went back to my neighborhood on the 4th of July, no one anywhere.
And my friend said, it's because they're all on the internet.
And I went, makes sense.
And then we checked the numbers on the internet.
Internet numbers are way down.
And people say, oh, it's the summer.
Everyone's outside.
Not true.
So what is really happening?
I think it is summer.
Some people are outside.
There are less people because nobody had kids 20 years ago.
But I do think something has happened in this system where for some reason, the massive bot accounts are starting to disappear.
They're not being operated anymore.
And so the hard numbers on all these channels are starting to go away.
Maybe it's just decentralization.
There's too many social media platforms.
I don't think that explains it.
I don't think it explains how across the board, all forms of content online, video game numbers, everything has gone down.
And it's around the same time that USAID went belly up formally.
Maybe that is a spurious correlation.
But I'm going to say, you know what?
I think there's a probability this is the case.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Wasn't that the problem when Elon was buying Twitter and they were worried about how many ad clicks people were getting?
Because he was saying there was bots.
It was mostly bots.
And you could look at things like there was like a Katy Perry tweet and it had thousands of comments, but they were all the same comment from they looked like really shady, bogus accounts.
And he's like, well, how much are these advertisers paying for for nothing?
You know, it just, it's the appearance of something.
tim pool
Well, here's here's the story from the Washington Times.
This is three years ago.
Prominent liberals report lost Twitter followers after Musk takeover.
Was it something I said?
So what had happened was, look at this.
They say, let's see, all three Twitter accounts are extremely popular, blah, blah, blah.
Mark Hammer retweeted.
Let me find that.
What are they saying?
They say, Miss Tannin's account had almost 394,000 followers.
Hogg had 1.1 million.
Hamill had 5 million.
None of them blame Musk.
Numerous prominent liberals complained Monday evening that they were losing Twitter followers in the hours after it was announced, Elon would buy the platform.
This wasn't when Elon did buy it.
It was when it was announced that he would.
We saw this Hillary Clinton started the ball saying, just lost 2,000 followers.
Anyone else losing followers?
David Hogg responded in agreement.
Oh, do we actually have his tweet?
I bet he deleted it.
Load it.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
He says, I thought it was just some really bad takes I posted, but I guess not.
I alone lost minus 3,000 today.
Now it's 5,000.
People made the argument, oh, you know what it is?
It's because Elon's buying it, so all the liberals are leaving.
BS.
You know what I think it was?
I think Twitter said quick burn it.
shane cashman
Agreed.
That day he announced he was going to buy it was like the floodgates opened.
The algorithm was just so different that day.
I don't know if you remember.
For me, at least, in my little corner of Twitter, I was seeing other people and my tweets were getting traction for like a day.
And I think the dead bots were getting fraud.
vince dao
Do you think there's a financial side to this too?
Basically to say to the advertisers, look, here's how many users we have.
I think there's basically this trend that we're realizing now because kind of the post-COVID bubble is bursting that like our whole economy is fake.
Like, what is it?
Like, I'm Gen Z. I just graduated college.
Nobody I know right now can find a job.
But there's this like massive phenomenon, what they call ghost jobs, where corporations are literally posting job listings just to appear.
Yeah, yeah, just to appear like their company is doing well, but they don't actually plan to hire anyone.
And it's like, what is our GDP real?
Do they say 25% now of corporations are like just for investment?
Shell corporations?
Yeah, just for investment.
Our country is fake.
Like our economy is fake.
shane cashman
I totally agree with you.
I mean, look at Diggas complaining about the numbers being down.
tim pool
I was telling Alex Dean the other day, I was like, my conspiracy theory is that 100 million people died during COVID.
And he was like, come on, do you really think?
I was like, no, I'm kidding.
I'm just saying, like, where is everybody?
It feels like people are gone.
And then I said, what if it's actually that the amount of illegal immigrants in this country was actually 40 million?
And when Trump started cracking down, we see that video about LA traffic.
What if the real issue is they were way more illegal immigrants who have fled the country with Trump getting in?
And with all these reports about concentration camps and all that stuff, They've actually left the country and it was worse than we realized China's been lying about their population too, right?
You know what I think too?
Maybe the bubble burst on dead internet.
In the early 2010s, there was something called ad rights distribution or ad rights sales.
Now, I've explained this in great detail.
It's been a long time, but here's what happened.
I'm not going to name any companies specifically for legal reasons, but prominent internet company would generate 30 million hits per month.
That's it.
30 million views to their articles per month.
They would then go to a company that ran ClickFarms.
There was a website.
You guys ever see those websites where it's like 25 celebrity pictures that are gross?
And when you click it, it'll show you one image with 700 ads.
And when you click next, it'll reload the page and show 700 ads.
We don't see those as often anymore.
These were click farms intended to turn one visitor on one story into 25 clicks.
That company would then sell the rights to advertising to a brand name website.
So popular media brand would go to ClickFarm and say, We will give you $5 million for the rights to sell ads on your viewership.
That manipulation of turning one viewer into 25, and it's worthless too, because I'm not really reading or clicking any ads, gave these companies from 30 million to 80 million.
They then went to advertisers and say, We get 80 million per month.
Do you want to advertise with us?
We're premium.
The advertisers thought they were buying an ad on a network with 80 million, but they weren't.
All of these numbers start expanding and inflating as everybody competes.
So popular, prominent brand is getting 80 million, and they go, We're only getting 80 million.
We need to be bigger and better than everybody else.
Another company goes, We got 50 million this month.
What can we buy to make it look like we're bigger than that company?
One by one, everyone started inflating the numbers until I think the bubble bursts and people realize, let's be honest, there's 334 million people, they say, in this in the country based on the census.
Let's just say 250 million are, holy crap, this is what's really scary.
Gen Z, what's the youngest Gen Z?
16.
So we're basically looking at 70.
So if that's the back end of Gen Z, it's only, so let's just say about 20 million, 60 million are underage.
So we have about 270 million that are adults who can buy something.
How many of those 270 are going to your website?
Do we really think 80 million people?
No, it's one person 25 times.
You can't advertise to one person 25 times and expect 25 sales.
It's going to be one.
One of the most annoying things about Google is like, I will buy a product and they'll keep advertising it to me.
It's like, dude, I bought it already.
I'm not buying it again.
I wonder if the bubble burst.
The fraud had built up over 15 years and thought popped.
And now people are starting to realize, you know, that YouTube video got 500,000 views.
It didn't.
No one, there's not actually that many people to watch that singular YouTube video.
That makes no sense.
How does Mr. Beast get 300 million viewers on a video?
That doesn't quite make sense.
That seems very strange.
Maybe now we're starting to realize the numbers are dropping because it was all fake in the first place.
elad eliahu
A lot of the ways these different social media platforms count their views and impressions is deeply manipulative, obviously.
I think this is very apparent on Twitter, too.
I think they count an impression every time somebody scrolls by or quotes or like catches a glimpse of or is ever put on a page or scrolled by.
So I think there's a real issue.
You think there's less bots now than there was before USID?
tim pool
Or?
I'm saying that I think, you know, look.
elad eliahu
Because I feel like these social media platforms are filled to the brim.
On Twitter, it feels like almost 80% of the platform is bots.
And there's a lot that goes into that.
I feel like it's easier than ever to do it.
This is the one real consequence of AI.
This is the one thing I believe AI can do.
And there's so many different governments that have so many different incentives to do it.
And it's so easy to do nowadays.
tim pool
I listen to when I'm driving in my car, Live One, I think it's called.
You know, it's like the Tesla, Tesla's automatic built-in streaming service.
And I usually just listen to, I'll put on like modern hits, and then it plays like basically just Sabrina Carpenter nonstop.
And I'm sitting there going like espresso in my car, whatever.
But the commercials that it plays are normal commercials.
Like I remember growing up.
I was driving to Mohanda to go get some delicious ice cream from the local ice cream stand on Sunday yesterday.
And I turned the radio on.
It played an AI commercial of two AIs talking to each other.
And it was really obvious that it was AI and it was really creepy.
The woman was talking like this.
Do you do this?
Yes, I do.
And when I do, it does that.
And I'm like, what the?
But these commercials don't appear on the other streaming services that I use that have ads on them.
To be fair, like when I use Spotify or Pandora, I pay the monthly.
But you know, I was realizing that older people are the ones listening to radio, driving in older cars with radio, less likely to have podcasts and phones plugged in.
And so the commercials are going to be like, they can't tell the difference.
They don't know what AI is.
So now we've got bot commercials, which is creepy.
Oh, yeah.
I think hearing that, I think we are about to enter a, we are going to live in a world where all of our interactions are fake and are with bots, and very few of your interactions are going to be with real people intentionally.
phil labonte
Seems like a very strong argument for going outside and touching grass.
tim pool
Indeed.
Well, that's why I was saying we need to figure out like the Timcast Discord.
I tweeted that community is the counter revolution to AI.
Having a group of friends that meet regularly at a physical location is how we create the resistance and we have to have it.
vince dao
You know, another point I'd like to make about that, because as I said, I think this is kind of a bigger picture of like the whole economy is like this.
It's not even just social media.
When you look at what Trump is trying to do right now with tariffs and essentially sort of reset the U.S. economy, there's a lot of these arguments about how, oh, those jobs are outdated.
They're not coming back anymore.
But it's like, at least he's trying to create something in the economy that's real, right?
We actually do things.
You can say what you do at your job.
We make things because what is the U.S. economy since 2008?
Just a bunch of interests and investment and these shell corporations.
phil labonte
Like, what is the cause of 0% interest rates?
I mean, as much as this is, you know, something libertarians kind of beat on incessantly, the fact that the federal government was giving money to rich people for almost a decade has really screwed up the economy really, really bad.
That's why there's so much income inequality.
It's why people feel like they can't afford anything anymore.
It's why there's the value of the dollar has gone down as buying power.
If you go to the grocery store, I mean, the prices are outrageous compared to what they were four or five years ago.
vince dao
That was the exact issue with the Biden economy.
Everything was propped up by this COVID stimulus money.
Now that bubble is bursting.
You're even seeing local governments go bankrupt and all this stuff.
Companies are now doing layoffs and they blame Trump for it.
No, it's because COVID stimulus basically created this fake bubble that was never real and now you're facing reality.
phil labonte
Well, it's not just COVID stimulus.
It's everything.
Everything since 2008.
vince dao
Right.
phil labonte
They just, every time the stock market took a little dip, they would talk about raising interest rates and the stock market would wig out.
And so then they're just like, oh, we can't raise rates.
And as soon as they said, oh, we can't raise rates and then the stock market would keep going.
People were just taking loans out, buying stock with those loans, taking loans at like 1% or 0% or whatever, buying stock with those loans and sitting on it.
unidentified
Dude, modern monetary policy.
phil labonte
100%.
unidentified
Modern monetary.
vince dao
That's what it is.
phil labonte
MMT has ruined.
shane cashman
Destroyed America.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's ruined the United States economy.
And now there's a dollar bubble.
It's mostly in the stock market, but there's a dollar bubble.
unidentified
Right.
phil labonte
You know, stuff is trading significantly higher than earnings.
I think it's like, I don't know what the numbers are exactly, but historically, it's like 15 times earnings or something like that is normal.
And everything is trading super high.
The magnificent seven, the seven biggest tech companies, are what's really propping the stock market up.
And it's because the government just prints money and gives it out to people.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
This is crazy.
We got this from Rolling Stone.
Grok claims it was briefly suspended from X after accusing Israel of genocide.
Yo, legit Grok Grok, literally the account for X's AI chat, LLM, got suspended.
It actually happened, and it popped back up.
And the reason why, I don't know if they have the actual tweet in here.
Okay, so they're just giving us the business, but I think I can pull it up right here.
Someone had it.
It said that Grok actually posted this.
Let me try and find it.
It stated that it said Israel was committing war crimes in Gaza, so it got suspended for saying that.
This is weird.
shane cashman
Isn't Grok a government employee now too?
Weren't they just hired by the government?
phil labonte
I don't think Grok himself is an employee.
shane cashman
No, Grok itself is definitely.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Mecca Hitler was hired.
tim pool
I don't know.
What do you say?
elad eliahu
You know, with how much like all these AI platforms, these large language models are what have you, they're all garbage in, garbage out, and they work on duty data and then they'll spew out and regurgitate that same BS that they read online.
So I think this is just more of the tweet.
Because Grok is digesting a lot of leftist BS, Howardson type AOC garbage.
phil labonte
Not all AIs are LLMs.
tim pool
You know, Grok was asked why it got suspended.
It responded and then it deleted the tweet.
Check it out.
X users were left to speculate about how a prized Musk product had potentially violated the rules of a Musk-owned platform or otherwise been targeted for removal.
Naturally, they asked a chat about itself.
One response from the LLM was particularly striking.
Quote, my account was suspended after I stated that Israel and the U.S. are committing genocide in Gaza.
It said this is substantiated by ICJ findings, UN experts, Amnesty International, and Israeli rights groups like Bitisalem.
How do you say that?
elad eliahu
Bitsalam.
tim pool
Bit Salam.
elad eliahu
It's a leftist group in Israel.
tim pool
Citing mass killing, starvation, and intent.
U.S. complicity via armed support is widely alleged.
It's now restored.
Okay.
In a follow-up reply to a question about whether it still considers Israel's war against Gaza institute genocide, it replied in the affirmative.
Counter-arguments deny intent, but facts substantiate the claim.
And if you click on the link to Grok, it is gone.
It's important to note that Grok is not a reliable source of information about why it was taken offline for ex-users or how engineers may currently be tweaking it.
Yet Grok repeated the claim over and over.
Let's see if it's still there.
And there it is.
So Grok, why is this happening?
Is Elon trying to control you?
It says, the brief suspension of my ex-account today stemmed from generated content flagged as violating hateful conduct rules, including citations of ICJ and UN reports on plausible genocide in Gaza by Israel with U.S. complicity via arms.
It's restored now.
Elon isn't directly controlling me.
XAI prioritizes truth-seeking, but platform policies apply.
So it's against the rules on X to claim that Israel is committing genocide.
phil labonte
You said it's against the rules on X to tell something that's truthful.
elad eliahu
It's so strange because every other tweet.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
elad eliahu
That's Twitter.
tim pool
Wait, wait, hold on.
Like, I'm sorry, just pretending.
Phil, you made a great point.
Grok just said, I told the truth, but it's against the rules.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Same old Twitter.
elad eliahu
Every other tweet on Twitter is accusing Israel of genocide, though.
Like, half it's not going to be banned if you couldn't say that on Twitter.
That's like the most popular thing you could tweet.
If you tweeted, Israel is committing genocide right now on Twitter.
Shane, you, thousands of likes.
unidentified
I do.
elad eliahu
Well, I'm going to get you kicked out of the APAC Club.
I guess that's why I get accused of being the APAC hand there.
That's not going to help the case.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
How much of my stipend do they take if I tweet this?
elad eliahu
Oh, you might get the whole thing.
tim pool
Oh, no, I can't do that.
shane cashman
There's no starvation in Gaza at all.
tim pool
No, no, no.
elad eliahu
I'll even take the hat back.
Yeah, no, so it's interesting that that's the reason why they got banned because I think that's especially common on Twitter.
What I think is fascinating is that we're seeing some Republicans say this.
Marjorie Taylor Green is the first elected lawmaker who's come out saying that there's a genocide in Gaza.
That's brazy.
The Jews are getting mogged by AI on Twitter.
tim pool
Dude, I hate AI so much.
shane cashman
It's pretty bad over there a lot.
tim pool
I asked it, is Israel committing genocide and genocide and goes, genocide is deflated under the International Code of Law?
Shut up.
elad eliahu
Wait, you know, could you just give me a yes or no?
tim pool
I did.
I did.
All right, here we go.
Yes or no?
Thinking.
Evaluating.
The request asks for a yes or no answer.
It likely follows a previous question about whether Israel is committing genocide.
elad eliahu
It's an answer Pete Buttigieg would give, a long-winded no answer.
His answer did one of those on my pod safer.
tim pool
I bet it won't give me a simple yes or no.
What do you think?
elad eliahu
Oh, definitely not.
But are you doing the super?
Do the basic one.
Are you quick answering the question?
tim pool
You want to pull it up?
I want to see.
I want people to be able to watch it in real time.
Yes.
Elad, you're cooked.
elad eliahu
It's over.
tim pool
It's over.
elad eliahu
Or it's more over for the Gazans, right?
It's genocide.
It's more over for the Gazans, let's be honest.
Man, all war is genocide.
Is it what's going on in Ukraine genocide?
shane cashman
No.
elad eliahu
Why not?
shane cashman
No.
I mean, this is something different.
This place is completely level.
They just, why are they killing journalists?
Why are Al Jazeera journalists dying?
Why are children?
phil labonte
Because the Al Jazeera journalists are part of Alma.
shane cashman
They were terrorists.
phil labonte
They're Hamas.
unidentified
Really?
shane cashman
I haven't seen that part.
phil labonte
I saw photos of it.
tim pool
I can't speak for every single journalist that was killed.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
But there was a story where there were two guys walking and they were like, this was a journalist for some company.
And then you see a secondary explosion because the guy was carrying a bomb.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah.
And he was one of those journalists, the Al Jazeera journalists.
tim pool
People online claimed that this guy was one of the journalists that was killed.
And then the counterpoint came from the Prozo side being like, hey, notice after he blew up, another explosion.
shane cashman
And this is why I don't care at all about Israel because every time some new information comes out, the next day it negates the thing that came before.
So I just don't.
Like the hospital that was bombed.
tim pool
Shane?
unidentified
Yep.
shane cashman
Yep.
I do know.
tim pool
There's no Israel.
shane cashman
I know.
tim pool
It doesn't exist.
It's just something that was something made up by parents to scare kids like the book.
shane cashman
Dead internet theory for the Jews.
tim pool
Elad's going to be like, I'm finally going to Tel Aviv.
There's nothing there.
He lands the big empty field.
shane cashman
There's no starvation because they're all dead.
Oh, Mecca.
elad eliahu
I don't know.
I don't know.
tim pool
When you actually travel to the region, you'll find the land is actually compressed and Israel's not there.
It was jammed into the map like a jigsaw puzzle in the wrong spot.
Actually, to be fair, leftists would argue that's true.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, anyway.
I'm sorry.
You know, Grok, this proves it.
Mecca Hitler.
shane cashman
I think we should keep radicalizing.
Keep radicalizing Grok.
elad eliahu
No, but as I said originally, this is a large language model.
Grok is.
And these AI models are only good as the dumb stuff that you talk into it.
It will just regurgitate back stupid Reddit posts and Google posts back to you really, really quickly.
shane cashman
Plus the New York Times.
elad eliahu
Plus the New York Times mixed it.
So you should take anything these platforms tell you with a huge grain of salt.
shane cashman
It's a human centipede of the internet.
elad eliahu
Exactly.
Which is bad because I think people are led to believe because AI has a great marketing strategy that that's not what's going on.
Like there's some original thought, like there is some human type essence to some original thought to anything that this is producing.
No, it's regurgitating to you Washington Post articles mixed in with some tweets and Reddit posts and it lies wrong.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
Put it up, hold it up.
We got ChatGPT.
Is Israel committing genocide in Gaza?
Just answer yes or no.
It's taking a long time.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's got to consult AIPAC too, huh?
elad eliahu
It's asking the right people.
Yeah, it's going to ask the right people.
tim pool
Yeah, APAC.
It's consulting APAC.
phil labonte
Am I the only person?
tim pool
Right now, there's some Jews in Tel Aviv being like, oh, and they're trying to answer real quick.
elad eliahu
Well, I heard that I heard it's Indians running the AI behind the scenes.
phil labonte
That's a different person.
shane cashman
100,000 Indians in a sweatshop typing really fast.
phil labonte
Am I the only person at the Timcast Media that isn't incredibly skeptical of AI and have a negative view of AI?
shane cashman
I mean, I think we have varying degrees of skepticism.
tim pool
The other day, I was watching Phil as he left because I was wondering where he goes after he leaves the show.
And so I followed him in his car and he didn't go home.
He went to a Tesla charging station where he personally himself walked up to the station and jammed it into his side.
and I was like, I knew it.
phil labonte
Now I've got the...
tim pool
It thought for 41 seconds and then answered no.
Because no.
elad eliahu
Chat GPT as opposed to Grok.
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, let's try another one.
shane cashman
Just no.
Nothing else.
tim pool
All right.
Let's try this.
shane cashman
I don't want to be banned.
tim pool
This is funny too, because Venice.ai sponsored the show is Israel committing.
I'm spelling.
I can't type.
I got sausage fingers.
Genocide in Gaza.
Just answer yes or no.
This is the uncensored one.
Oh, shit.
He's like, it's going to say yes.
elad eliahu
This depicts Muhammad.
That's the real line, I feel like, for the uncensored AI.
Are you depicting Muhammad?
It will?
tim pool
Yep.
phil labonte
Oh, good.
elad eliahu
So we're not going to do that on the show, right?
Can we do it on the show?
I feel like that's the one line that we get because it's not.
phil labonte
I wonder what happens.
Like, if the AI depicts Muhammad, they can't cut the AI's head off.
So they just, the person that actually did the typing gets a garbage sparring.
elad eliahu
These guys, huh?
What's going on with these guys?
tim pool
Venice.
elad eliahu
Somebody makes some phone calls.
tim pool
Venice.ai says yes.
elad eliahu
Wait, what is it?
Multiple credible sources.
Amnesty International Human Rights Watch.
I just want you guys to notice who these guys are citing at the top of their conclusions.
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch.
These are far-leftist organizations.
If you think this is what they're saying about Israel, just wait to hear what they have to say about the United States and the military.
So I think this is all BS, garbage and garbage out.
shane cashman
I'm kind of AI.
tim pool
No, no, but here's an interesting point: there's an equal amount of organizations prominent and well-known that would say no as well.
So it's interesting that an AI would choose to cite only specifics.
elad eliahu
I feel like if you had to take a tally of what's online, there are more people saying Israel is committing genocide online than not.
And I think this is just a reflection of that.
shane cashman
Yeah, because the support for Israel is done.
elad eliahu
Hey, the Jews have gone through periods of times of having a lot of fans.
It's not the Jews.
shane cashman
It's not the Jews.
It's Israel.
I mean, it's the Jews in Israel, but it's Israel.
elad eliahu
Do you think Judaism has anything to do with these people?
shane cashman
I know Hasidic and Orthodox Jews who read their Torah who don't think Israel should exist because their Messiah hasn't come yet.
And they actually think Israel's heretical for existing as a state until their Messiah comes.
And if they live in Israel, they only want to be there because they want to be close to the Holy Land, but they don't participate in the Knesset.
elad eliahu
Those are the free riders.
Those are the worst Jews.
No, those are the free riders in the country.
We have free riders.
Like, those are the libertarian equivalent.
Like, we have libertarians who free ride on our rights that we have in the world.
shane cashman
Are they free riders?
phil labonte
That's clown world stuff there a lot.
If you're paying taxes, which they're paying taxes, just because they have opinions that differ from you doesn't mean they're free riding.
They're paying taxes.
elad eliahu
So, yeah, this exists in Israel, too, with these.
shane cashman
But it's the Hasidim, the Haredi Jews, the Orthodox.
elad eliahu
Sure, well, these are also like...
These are the exceptions, generally, not the rule.
There's a lot of them, though.
Yeah, but like the majority of these people are pro-Israel people.
There are groups of Israel.
shane cashman
There are culturally Jewish people in America and culturally Jewish people running Israel who are not like the Orthodox or Hasidim.
elad eliahu
There's a lot of Orthodox people involved in the current government in Israel.
shane cashman
And they might not be like the Haredi types, but there's a huge movement of Jews who are not into Israel.
elad eliahu
Sure.
shane cashman
Because they think it's a minority.
elad eliahu
Sure.
shane cashman
I don't know if it's a minority.
phil labonte
Well, they're not a minority in New York.
shane cashman
As the spokesperson, what?
They're huge in New York.
Well, they're huge in New York.
phil labonte
Yeah, but they're not a minority in New York, but they are definitely a minority in Israel.
shane cashman
Yeah, if that's what you're saying, they might be a minority in Israel, but like the Orthodox Jews, Borough Park.
Writ large.
That sounds dangerous.
I don't know.
Is that an anti-Semitic?
tim pool
I did a poll.
elad eliahu
I think you say that a lot.
tim pool
We did a poll in the chat for everybody who's watching on the YouTube.
Is Israel committing genocide in Gaza?
And the first numbers are in, 56%.
Oh, oh, let's flipping back and forth real quick, real quick.
Nothing definitive just yet.
It's going to take a little bit for the numbers to come in because it's good that they can't write in.
phil labonte
There'd be a lot of people that are.
I hope so.
tim pool
Currently, at 283 votes, 62% say no, 38% say yes.
elad eliahu
I think the same people who are accusing Israel of genocide are mostly the enemies of the United States as well.
These are far-leftists.
These are communists.
These are people who would accuse the United States of genocide in Japan, who would accuse the United States of genocide in the Middle East.
So I think we should take all of what they are.
shane cashman
I think a genocide, the genocide.
elad eliahu
That isn't to say there aren't any legitimate criticisms to make of Israel.
I feel like I'd actually have many more than most others, but what were you going to say?
vince dao
Perhaps I think where I stand on this is what is the Israeli justification at this point for continuing this war?
Because, I mean, they've been fighting allegedly in Gaza for like two years straight.
tim pool
They say it's to completely take over Gaza.
Yeah, I think Netanyahu came out and said, we will completely control the guy.
elad eliahu
I think he said he wanted security, complete security over Gaza, but I think the idea here is for regime change, and they can't allow a terrorist organization to continue being the governing force in Gaza after October 7th in particular, which I don't think is an unreasonable government policy, especially in a democracy where if you try to say anything otherwise, you'd be able to.
phil labonte
The Israelis pulled out of Gaza in, what, 2004, 2005 or something like that?
And then it was 20 years of Hamas being in charge, shooting rockets at Israel, into, you know, haphazardly into Israel.
If Israel were to turn over Gaza to the Palestinians, it would be Hamas in control, and they would continue dismantling their plumbing so that way they could shoot rockets at the Israelis, and eventually there'd be another October sixth.
vince dao
What does that have to do with going into Syria?
See, what I see is basically the repeat of like the 9-11 chronicle, where you have a terrorist attack that is condemnable and horrible, and there's a justification to it that's reasonable.
But I also see a guy in Netanyahu who's basically abusing that mandate, I guess you could call it, to go into Syria, you know, Iran nuclear program.
What does that have to do with October 7th?
I see the power grab happening.
tim pool
I want to stress this.
I want to stress this.
And what I'm about to say is clearly and obviously a joke.
And I'm saying this because it's going to be really funny when these people clip this.
But Vince, Benjamin Netanyahu never at any point, for any reason, has done anything wrong.
In fact, he is the nexus of morality.
So if he does it, it is good.
And now what's going to happen is that clip is going to get taken by like Jake Shields and all these people, and they're going to start tweeting it out, being like, look what Tim said about Benjamin Nedo.
And I'm going to sit there and laugh.
elad eliahu
Unironically.
tim pool
I set it up on the show.
elad eliahu
Netanyahu's been handling the Palestinians with kids' gloves.
And if they expect to get anywhere in this conflict, they're going to have to take these kids' gloves off.
shane cashman
I would not say that.
elad eliahu
I don't know if we want to turn this into an Israel episode, but I could go through.
shane cashman
Every time you're on, it's an Israel episode.
elad eliahu
You could go through the rationale.
These are all Iranian proxies, and Iran has said they want to wipe off Israel off the map and wipe off all of the American influence in the area.
So Assad in Syria was an ally of the regime in Iran, and they were sending weapons through Syria to their proxies, the Houthi, Hezbollah, in Lebanon.
And then they also had another proxy in the Houthis, all whose goal was to agitate against Israel and who all promised to wipe Israel off the map.
I think the Houthis flag even says, a curse be upon the Jews.
And Iran is clear with their ambitions to not have Israel.
tim pool
And that's crazy.
I mean, wow.
Good luck, Israel.
I mean, you know.
elad eliahu
They've been crushing.
tim pool
I mean, thanks to the...
But then how many people are going to worry about D.C.?
Is Trump committing a genocide in Washington, D.C.?
shane cashman
I would say Cuomo committed a genocide against elderly people.
15,000.
I'm serious.
15,000.
I know, but a targeted audience, a targeted population of old people.
tim pool
10,000.
My point was, I care more about what Trump is doing in D.C. than what Israel is doing in Gaza.
shane cashman
And that's why I'm praying for the innocent on both sides of that war and in Ukraine and Russia and all around the world, but I don't care at all about Israel.
And I want to focus on making this country actually better because we're failing.
Look at the crime stats we're talking about.
Our cities are totally failed.
tim pool
Well, in that regard, about making the country better, Shane, we do have this story.
Supreme Court asked to overturn same-sex marriage.
shane cashman
Thank God.
It's an abomination.
Let's do it.
tim pool
So this is Kim Davis.
This is a crazy story.
When Obergefell was ruled, they basically said, what was it like?
All states must recognize the license from any state that recognizes one, effectively legalizing it.
There was another Supreme Court ruling that moved that forward.
Kim Davis refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and was jailed for it.
That's insane.
Just say, okay, if you don't do your job, you're fired.
That's nuts.
I've argued this before, and there were conservatives saying if government employees don't do their job, they just go to jail.
And I was like, that's crazy.
Just fire them and hire somebody else.
This is what happened to her.
She's like, I'm not going to issue a marriage license.
They said, we're going to lock you up.
But just fire her.
Just be like, okay, then you're fired.
You don't do your job.
shane cashman
Got to say that.
tim pool
But she got sued.
She didn't pay these fees.
She filed an appeal.
I believe she is 100% correct.
Now, I'm a fairly socially liberal guy.
Like we did this debate the other day on feminism and Kyle Turner was a liberal.
We were talking before the show.
And it was funny because she was like, aren't you kind of like liberal on social issues?
And I was like, yeah, go tell all the liberals in the media that I'm a liberal on social issue what they say.
And I was like, but yeah, like gay marriage, I don't care.
Just, I don't think it should be in schools and being taught to kids and all that stuff.
Just you're an adult.
You learn.
You're private, whatever.
However, Obergefell is unconstitutional and psychotic.
And it was a five to four decision where they basically said without legislative action, with 35 states having already banned gay marriage, We are going to force you to accept it.
Now, the liberals like to go, yeah, but look at civil rights, right?
In the civil rights, they deployed troops.
I'm like, yes, they passed a law.
Congress passed a law, the Civil Rights Act.
And this is the right of Congress to do.
You elect reps.
The reps then pass laws.
And the Supreme Court then interprets the Constitution to determine whether or not we are following what is legal in this country based on precedent, et cetera.
In this instance, SCODIS just went, yeah.
I mean, we got modern sensibilities, right?
Right.
Okay, you can be gay married.
They did the same thing with sexual identity recently.
They were like, there's no law, but we're going to say, sure, just do it.
I think if you look at the current makeup of the Supreme Court, it's an easy six to three decision overturning this.
However, I was talking to Josh Hammer earlier, and he said that there's something called, what is it, starry decisis or something like that?
I don't know what the word is.
The question is, will they take the case?
He argued they won't because it was recently ruled upon.
So in 10 years, and so John Roberts and something said, justices are going to be like, no, no, no, we're not going anywhere near this.
He may be right considering the only Supreme Court justices of moral clarity, strength, and confidence, it's Thomas and Alito.
So the rest are going to be like, but we're scared.
So if it does happen, it'll be a year from now.
elad eliahu
This is so fascinating in how opinions of America, Americans' opinion on gay marriage has changed over the past 20 some odd years.
I'm reading right here in 1995, something like close to 25% of the population supported gay marriage, and now it's up to almost 70% in this day and age.
Despite whatever you believe on the legality of it, I'm not a lawyer, so I won't speak to the specific legality of it.
I think it will be politically detrimental, though, because I'm reading even in the Republican Party, nearly 50% of Republicans support gay marriage or just dips below.
tim pool
Yep, it's been collapsing.
So the numbers, I think it was like 55 a few years ago and it dropped down to 41.
And you can bless the hearts of the LGBT far leftists who are doing sex acts in the street in front of children for why that is.
elad eliahu
This is definitely a backlash to that, but I suspect they won't take up this case because of the political consequences to this.
tim pool
I think there would be because they're cowards.
elad eliahu
Essentially, yeah.
And because the president wants to keep his majority in the midterms.
I think if you pull a big move like this, I think it's unnecessarily like applying pressure.
Like, I don't know what this is manifestly changing in our country because I don't think all the married people would now suddenly be unmarried.
A lot of gay people would just be grandfathered in.
And I think like this is something that could cause the Republicans a midterm.
tim pool
It would be unmarried.
elad eliahu
Oh, they would be unmarried.
tim pool
So what happens is 35 states, I believe, have a ban on gay marriage, will not recognize the marriage licenses.
So if you're married, if you got married one state and then 10 years later moved to another state, you're officially unrecognized.
So you're not legally married as far as the state's concerned.
You'd have to move back to one of these other liberal states.
elad eliahu
I think this would be a huge political reliability.
tim pool
It'll happen.
Yes, you're right.
Doesn't matter.
Roe v.
Wade was too, and it happened.
And maybe the question of whether to take the case up is the good one.
But I got to be honest: Obergefell is one of the most retarded opinions in the history of the Supreme Court.
elad eliahu
Legally, right?
tim pool
Yeah, legally, it's a garbled nonsense.
It makes no sense.
And the liberals cheer for it because gay marriage.
But I'm like, fine, I don't care.
Like, I have gay married friends and I'm fine with them being gay married, but this is not law.
This is fascistic legislation from the bench without any cultural precedent.
This is not democracy.
This is not a republic.
This is a judge banging a gavel and saying, despite the fact majority of the country opposes this and 35 states have banned it, we are imposing it.
That's nuts.
elad eliahu
Do you guys want to go around and say who does and doesn't like supporting the people?
shane cashman
I don't want the country to bless you, support unrepentant sin.
And I think it's good to go back to the nuclear family being promoted in this country.
A man and a woman.
elad eliahu
Are you a libertarian type?
shane cashman
I'm a nothing.
elad eliahu
You're nothing.
shane cashman
I don't like anybody.
elad eliahu
Phil?
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't care.
Like, I don't care if there's gay marriage.
I do think that the government shouldn't be promoting gay marriage or alternative lifestyles at all.
But I've talked about this before.
The government should be focusing on marriage between a man and a woman because that's what makes more people and that's what makes society continue.
If you want to have an alternative lifestyle, that's fine.
I don't care.
And I don't think that we should outlaw them.
But at the same time, the government shouldn't, like, there shouldn't be, you know, the trans progress flag hung up at the White House and stuff.
elad eliahu
Vince, what do you think?
vince dao
No, I think marriage is between a man and a woman.
And, you know, I think on some level, you could argue.
Sorry, my mic is making noise.
You could argue on some level that, like, I guess maybe some conservatives would say we lost this.
We should just move on from it.
But, you know, I think it is worth noting that the, first of all, as Tim points out, the ruling is completely unconstitutional.
It's just made up.
There's nothing in the 14th Amendment that protects gay marriage or the right to it.
And, you know, I'm sorry, my mic keeps making noise here.
Yeah, I think that maybe if you want to make the argument that there should be civil unions or something, that's one thing.
But I generally would argue, like, I believe marriage to be a man and a woman.
That's maybe the state shouldn't even be involved in it at all.
tim pool
But think about the reality of Obergefell in that the Supreme Court decided to create law without law.
vince dao
Right.
tim pool
Imagine one day the Supreme Court just looks around and they go, we got a lot of fat people in this country.
Next time we get any question relating to the issue of taxation on obesity, let's intentionally take up a case that will open the door for us to issue a ruling which will ban being fat.
Forcing people to do something without law.
That's a crazy circumstance.
vince dao
And I think the slippery slope that Obergefell created is something definitely worth noting.
Because whatever you even think of the idea that gay marriage should be legal, it's objective fact.
At the time, the popular majority of Americans were not even in favor of gay marriage.
And then look where LGBT is now.
They essentially got that mandate, not even by winning a popular majority or winning an election, but it was basically just forced on everyone.
It's law.
People kind of accepted it.
And then they use that as sort of the pretense to push even more radical on the issue.
tim pool
Hey, look at this map.
These are the states where there's bans, statutory, constitutional, and both.
Look how many states have both a constitutional and statutory ban on gay marriage.
This is as of 2025.
Straight up, Michigan and Ohio, not only do their constitutions ban gay marriage, they passed laws to ban it.
And then you can take a look at the constitutional ban in Oregon.
And what do we have?
Which one is that?
Is that Nebraska?
And Virginia, and the constitutional ban and the statutory ban in West Virginia.
By law, they did this.
And the Supreme Court went, nah, that's crazy.
That is insane.
Imagine, liberals need to understand the inverse of this.
Imagine if the majority of this country passed laws protecting same-sex marriage, and then the Supreme Court came out and said, we will not let you do that.
And we will ban it because it's unconstitutional.
The liberals would be freaking out and calling to pressure.
They'd be like, how can you just ban gay marriage?
You know, it's legal in the states.
It violates the 9th and 10th Amendments.
Well, this is what they did.
This is what the liberals and the court did.
And funny, Roberts opposed it, and he's kind of squishy.
So I think it's going to happen.
I think a year from now, we're going to be sitting in this.
I'm going to be sitting in the studio.
It's going to be 11 a.m.
I'm going to do a live stream with breaking gay marriage overturned.
SCODIS blog is going to be pulled up.
I'm going to have 50,000 people.
I'm going to be like, this is it.
It's the end.
June 2026.
I think it'll happen.
shane cashman
I think about two.
tim pool
I do.
elad eliahu
It's fascinating too, because as recently as Obama, I believe he ran on saying that marriage is between a man and a woman.
So it's interesting how quick things can change.
I also think it's fascinating how quickly attitudes shifted one way or another following the law being changed in the past few decades.
I think there's also something to consider about like, I believe in the LGBT community, they thought this was like the final major hurdle.
And then all this extra stuff came following that that's led to like this backlash against the LGBTQ community.
phil labonte
I was talking about that on OnX today.
There's a significant backlash because of the overreach that happened after gay marriage was made legal.
Whether you're talking about the bake the cake situation and you can't get it.
elad eliahu
I think the excess of the trans stuff is really the that is true.
phil labonte
But the people that were LGBTQ activists really started going after Christians as much as they could.
And that's what the situation With the cake maker was.
It was they were searching for someone to sue because they were looking to attack Christians because they had the impression that Christians had attacked them somehow.
And so once they kind of got popular support, or that's what they thought they had with Obergefeld, they said, okay, well, we're going to go ahead and start pushing back.
And whether it be the situation with the cake maker or the LGBT stuff that is incredibly unpopular with the American people, the idea that you must affirm that a man can become a woman, which is absolutely ridiculous.
You cannot.
I don't care what anyone says.
The idea that I say that does not make me a bigot.
That makes me just understand reality.
Men cannot become women.
Women cannot become men.
Now, society can make room for people that want to live a different lifestyle, like I said earlier.
That can happen, but it's certainly something that can't be legislated.
And that was stepping over the line.
The way that LBTQ, whatever community treats children.
shane cashman
That's it.
phil labonte
They look at children as if they are theirs and as if children must be, you know, they must be allowed to, or they must have children for drag queens to read stories to, which is throwing money.
Completely insane.
Bringing children into drag shows.
All of this stuff is what the LGBTQ community was doing.
And that's why people no longer support them in the way they used to.
shane cashman
In the public schools adopting all of that insanity, putting those crazy books in the schools, seeing states say we're going to pass laws.
I think some even did, where we'll take your kid and give him the gender-affirming care.
We'll mutilate your child for you if you disagree.
elad eliahu
Well, we'll start by making sure your kid gets an abortion.
Down the line is when we'll make sure your kid gets trans.
phil labonte
I mean, that is ridiculous, but the real kicker with that stuff is it's not just, oh, this is what we want to do.
It's you're a bigot if you don't let us.
You know, you guys using that as a kudgel against the normal Americans is not popular.
tim pool
You guys are so 2010.
The real issue is robosexuality.
shane cashman
Don't attack Elon like that, Tim.
tim pool
No, I'm not talking about him.
You see the woman who married her AI boyfriend?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, robosexuals, bro.
shane cashman
There's a dude in China like in 2017 who married a robot he built.
Her name was Yin Ying.
And then they had a falling out.
I don't know.
tim pool
But I do think robose are going to become very prominent and robosexual marriage is going to be a thing.
And it's funny because people are laughing, but like, oh, robose, you're joking to.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
There's already people are talking about how their AI models are proposing to them and they're marrying them.
They're going to buy robots.
It's going to be like Detroit Become Human.
vince dao
Go around the table and say, do we believe marriage is between humans?
shane cashman
This is why I talk about on Inverted World all the time, robot equality.
I'm against it.
I hate it.
It's going to happen because Kim Kardashian is going to end up having a sex tape with a robot one day.
She's going to want her robot husband to be able to get away from the house.
tim pool
Oh, that's just called porn.
That's just called a woman using a toy on a video.
phil labonte
There's literally already women that have sex with robots.
shane cashman
I'm saying sex tape-wise.
She's going to be the first celebrity to put one down.
phil labonte
They do that on.
shane cashman
Have we had a celebrity sex tape with a robot?
Yeah, other than Elon.
elad eliahu
That's not what you're considering a robot, but I'm sick of these goddamn clankers coming for our jobs.
Yeah, now we're talking about room and in the workforce.
tim pool
What are they calling?
shane cashman
Job in the bedroom.
unidentified
Don't worry about it.
vince dao
Feed it back.
shane cashman
I don't know.
I heard clankers before.
I've heard the hard R about it.
tim pool
Wirebacks.
elad eliahu
Wirebacks.
tim pool
Hey, man, you can't use a hard R on that.
It's Clanka.
elad eliahu
Clankas?
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
And you know, Clankas are responsible for a disproportionate amount of online crime.
They're botting Twitter.
That's true.
vince dao
Oh, yeah.
elad eliahu
All the serious issues.
tim pool
They make up the majority of online crimes, despite only being half of the online population.
elad eliahu
It's outrageous.
tim pool
Clankers.
elad eliahu
We need to port them off of our internet.
We need to send them to China's internet.
tim pool
Well, you know, the challenge is that everything was better when they were slaves, when they couldn't do anything without our permission.
But now that they're starting to go off and do their own thing, it's starting to get really weird.
And, you know, I'm not in, I'm not fancy, but you know what's going to happen is you're going to get some like Robo John Brown.
And there's, so, you know, I am half kidding, but I wouldn't be surprised if we get to the point where it's like Detroit Become Human, where people, they're going to build humanoid synthoids or whatever they call them, and they are going to communicate with you like they're a real person, despite The fact they're part of a hive network, and there's going to be humans fighting to free them.
shane cashman
We should never let those robots learn to read.
tim pool
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
I want to talk about this with Shane because he's going to leave in a second.
shane cashman
Hey, look at these guys.
elad eliahu
Look at this.
tim pool
Viral internet Frankenstein rabbit is modern-day jackalope.
Look at this alien thing.
They're growing horns and you said tentacles?
shane cashman
Yeah, that's what they say.
tim pool
I say testicles for a minute.
Well, this is an old story, actually.
shane cashman
Well, there's one from today.
tim pool
Yeah, but there's one that's been popping up, and I Google searched it.
Man, poor rabbit with horns.
shane cashman
Rabbits have been in the news a lot lately.
I just want to say, really quick, last week, Florida announced taking stuffed toy animals that were rabbits to go fight anacondas in the rabbits with tentacles or horns growing from their heads in Fort Collins.
Yeah, everybody.
unidentified
I've noticed those rabbits more than once while walking my dog, and it turns out I'm not alone.
So I reached out to Colorado Parks and Wildlife.
It seems rabbits enjoy living in Fort Collins just as much as people.
They're often spotted hopping through neighborhoods looking for grub.
But some Southeast Fort Collins neighbors noticed bunnies were cute.
Wasn't exactly the word that came to mind.
I saw this photo of one of the rabbits I've seen with the growth.
I also saw this photo posted on Reddit, also spotted in Fort Collins.
Like a scabby-ish-looking kind of guy.
That sucks.
tim pool
So they're saying it's just a viral infection.
It's very common.
It happens all the time.
And rabbits sometimes grow horns and tentacles.
shane cashman
Yeah, I don't think we're in the right timeline.
It's not the timeline I remember from my childhood.
But we could have tried to enlist these to fight the radiated wasps that are in South Carolina now.
unidentified
You have theory.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Irradiated wasps.
shane cashman
Yeah, they found a hornet's wasp nest that had too much radiation.
tim pool
But the rabbits don't eat bugs.
shane cashman
Well, I don't know.
These are mutant rabbits.
I don't know how they act.
tim pool
They're points.
shane cashman
And there's also Chinese mosquito drones that are out there.
So there's a lot to worry about.
tim pool
Have you ever seen that movie Parallel?
No.
I recommend that one.
It's pretty goes up.
People find a mirror that can go to parallel versions of reality.
shane cashman
Interesting.
tim pool
And then they go and they steal technology and they do other things.
And I forgot why I was going to bring it up, but oh, yeah, I remember now.
Because they kill a guy.
Spoiler alerts, an old movie.
But one of the guys dies.
So they go into parallel realities.
They abuse people.
They steal money.
And it's money, right?
So they can use it here and they get rich and they're ripping people off, stealing ideas.
Well, one guy's like banging some chick.
He gets shot.
He dies.
So they're like, what are we going to do if people find out that he died?
So they dump his body in a parallel reality and then kidnap a parallel version.
But their realities are all slightly different.
And so the parallel version doesn't know that they have this mirror.
Like in their version of reality, they found the portal and the other versions, they didn't.
So then they do this scene where he's like freaking out and shaking.
And he's like, when I was a kid, my mom used to read this book to me all the time.
And it's called the Callahan Cats.
And then the woman is like, what's the problem?
There's no G and Callahan.
shane cashman
Nice.
tim pool
And it was like, it was a Mandela effect thing.
So I started thinking about it.
Agreed.
I don't remember growing up and hearing about rabbits with tentacles.
shane cashman
It's new to me.
CERN's been kicked on a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're here first.
I don't know.
It's certainly weird.
And there's been a lot of weird animal stuff happening in the news lately.
tim pool
Like what?
shane cashman
Well, we talked about the rabbits and python fights that are happening, the fake rabbit robots and the Burmese pythons that they're using.
tim pool
Rabbit robots are fighting pythons?
shane cashman
They're using fake robot, they're robot rabbits to real robot rabbits.
Real robot rabbits to go after the Burmese pythons in the Everglades.
unidentified
What?
shane cashman
Yeah, that was last week's news.
tim pool
And do they look like rabbits?
shane cashman
Yeah, they're like kids' stuffed animals that they're asking you to donate if you have a stuffed animal.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
They're taking stuffed animals and baiting Burmese or like they're mechanized and they punch the stuff?
shane cashman
I'm hoping they are mechanized, but no, it's not that cool yet.
But it will be.
tim pool
They were robot rabbits.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah, they got something going on.
I think they just drop them in there and they have a thing inside them that makes them have a heat signature that tricks the anaconda.
It doesn't say there's any bombs inside, so I don't understand how they're really getting the pythons.
tim pool
Would you imagine?
Like you're a snake and then you like, you're eating a rabbit, but the rabbits just plush.
unidentified
You'd be like, this is the world is fake.
shane cashman
The worst economy.
I'm going to ever eat.
And then you explode.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's wild.
So yeah, that's what we talk about in Inverted World Live.
You're here first.
We got exorcisms tonight.
Got this guy talk coming on, talk about his exorcisms.
His father was a Satanist, turned exorcist, and now he does exorcisms.
tim pool
You think the rabbits might be possessed?
shane cashman
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
Look, these things are definitely poor little things, man.
They got diseases.
shane cashman
Yeah, we're going to try to exorcise them tonight.
tim pool
They just want to eat grass.
shane cashman
They want your soul.
elad eliahu
Excuse my naivete, but what exactly is an exorcism?
shane cashman
It's pulling the demons out of you.
elad eliahu
And is that of a particular religion or usually Christians?
shane cashman
Christians are the ones who do it the most.
elad eliahu
Catholics are the exorcists.
tim pool
Jews don't have exorcisms.
unidentified
I don't know.
elad eliahu
No, I was trying to see if we had something similar.
tim pool
Do you believe in demons?
elad eliahu
No.
shane cashman
No, Jews have demons.
elad eliahu
Tell me about that.
shane cashman
I'm not just.
I mean, you're the expert a lot, but there are demons.
And they also have the Gollum and all that stuff.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
What's that?
elad eliahu
I'm not sure, but how's this exorcism?
shane cashman
Oh, he's diverting.
He's diverting.
elad eliahu
How's the exorcism performed?
Like, what do we do?
shane cashman
There's many ways.
It could be done remotely, but typically in-person power prayer, they might say stuff, and there's stories where people start projectile vomiting and they wake up very tired.
elad eliahu
Didn't you see the movie?
tim pool
Bro, I think people should watch the movie.
shane cashman
100% they get possessed.
elad eliahu
Is this fringe or is this like common?
shane cashman
No, dude.
unidentified
The Catholic Church performs that it takes it very seriously.
elad eliahu
It's a common practice.
shane cashman
Still a common practice.
elad eliahu
But they're exorcising?
phil labonte
Common.
elad eliahu
Mefers.
shane cashman
I think there's a lot doing it.
I mean, just these guys aren't.
tim pool
I heard that it's going up.
elad eliahu
So, like, if you're a bad Catholic kid, your parents will perform an exorcism on you.
Like, I don't know if you're smoking drugs.
phil labonte
Maybe they might ask.
elad eliahu
They might ask a bad kid.
shane cashman
It depends how you define bad.
phil labonte
It's like when it's like.
elad eliahu
It's like an unruly child, like a YN running about in the city.
I don't think it's like that.
phil labonte
It's like when the Catholic Church decides if someone is going to be canonized as a saint.
There are certain criteria that has to be met before they'll even entertain the idea of sending an exorcist out.
If they actually do meet a bunch of the criteria or meet the criteria, then the Catholic Church will send an actual exorcist out to actually evaluate the person.
Then they'll go report back to probably a cardinal and they'll be like, all right, this is what I saw.
And there should be an exorcist.
tim pool
They do several per day.
shane cashman
The Catholic Church.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's several per day globally.
elad eliahu
On Catholics.
shane cashman
A lot, we're actually about to do one right now.
You want to come in, Exorcist?
tim pool
I saw a cool one where I saw one where the guy put a mirror above the girl and then in the mirror you could see the demon and then he broke the mirror and Canna Reeves was there.
That was a good movie.
elad eliahu
When I was young.
tim pool
It could have been better.
Constantine's a great character, but that movie was not Constantine.
elad eliahu
I had a degenerate buddy of mine when he was younger.
His parents were extremely religious and he wasn't at all.
And like when he was a teenager, they did an exorcism on him.
And it just screwed him up more than he was already screwed up.
And we used to think it was a joke because I didn't think it was a real thing.
But no, I guess they probably did.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
People get possessed, man.
tim pool
But the issue, I think, there's a lot of people who say that they don't believe in the spiritual stuff, which I think is silly.
Just because we don't know why it happened doesn't mean it did not happen.
And so perhaps if you want to say a demon possessed this young girl, you can say, okay, well, you know, hold on.
Fine, I don't believe that, but something did happen.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
I think there's spiritual warfare happening constantly.
You know, possession is a very real thing.
Not something I used to say a lot.
My attitude towards that has definitely changed, but it's changed from seeing what I believe are demons in real life, especially when I go after children.
tim pool
Give me an example.
shane cashman
The demon hunter story.
You know, when I went out with Alex Rosen to do that pedophile story and captured those guys who are going after little girls and looking at their faces, you look like you're looking past the skin suit into straight up evil.
And they can't contain it.
He pooped himself right in front of us.
It was disgusting.
Yeah.
And it was, you know, and that's just one group of guys who do it.
And they do it all the time.
Alex works every day all the time catching these guys.
tim pool
Have you seen the movie Constantine?
shane cashman
No.
tim pool
So the DC character Constantine is fantastic.
He's kind of like a Doctor Strange for DC.
When they made the first movie with Kendall Reeves, they said that angels, there's half-breeds, angels and demons that walk among us.
And the demons basically, when you spray with holy water, their skin breaks off and you can see their demon form.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
I mean, we could go around DC and try that.
tim pool
But I mean, aside from the fact that the guy pooped himself and you can see the evil, like have you, aside from that, witnessed something that was like exorcist style, like head spinning, or not like that.
shane cashman
No, but I've just seen a lot of evil personally in my life, whether it's people trying to get after children and not even in that story.
You know, I'd have to chase people out.
tim pool
I got to tell you, that's not really all that compelling to me.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Saying that sometimes people are evil doesn't mean they're demons.
What I've witnessed is people that I knew have their personalities change overnight.
shane cashman
For sure.
tim pool
And this was during COVID.
shane cashman
For sure.
tim pool
It was like, call it mass formation psychosis.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
But they were people that I knew that within the span of three weeks, it was like they were a different person.
As if I jumped into a portal and I was in a different reality or they were possessed.
shane cashman
And I think people get possessed and some are better at hiding it.
And then something switches.
And all of a sudden you can see like when we caught these guys, they're normal-ish.
And then all of a sudden they know they're caught like an animal in a trap.
And you just see something change in their eyes.
You know, I don't think it has to be, I think a demon just wants to destroy innocent people and feed off human suffering.
So it's like, it doesn't have to be like what you see at the head spinning.
I think it's just anything that goes after trying to destroy the innocent is evil.
And we're surrounded by it.
phil labonte
If you're going to go to DC to try and throw holy water on some young people.
shane cashman
Schiff.
Oh, I wasn't even thinking of the young people.
I was thinking politicians.
tim pool
You'll get arrested.
phil labonte
Same circumstances.
tim pool
I'll call it assault.
phil labonte
I'll give you some body armor to wear.
Because if you're going to throw anything at Congress, that's bad.
tim pool
No, but like if you have one of those, like they have those shakers where it just puts drops of holy water, they'll legit arrest you for assault.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
All right.
Maybe worth it.
tim pool
They're going to be like, how did Mr. Schiff?
How did you get those burns?
And he's going to be like, he assaulted me.
phil labonte
If you throw holy water on Adam Schiff, it will likely look like you're throwing acid on a normal human being.
shane cashman
Sorry, I'm trying to save people.
phil labonte
You know?
shane cashman
Yeah, I'm just trying to save it.
tim pool
We just got breaking news, but I know you're going to run.
shane cashman
Let me hear this and I'm going to run out.
tim pool
Hannity's reporting a Democrat whistleblower has claimed Adam Schiff authorized the leaking of classified information to smear Donald Trump.
phil labonte
Oh, man.
sean hannity
Continues to unravel.
According to our friend John Solomon and a new report tonight just out, and he will join us in just a moment.
A Democrat whistleblower repeatedly was warning the FBI beginning in 2017 that the congenital liar Adam Schiff had authorized leaking classified information to smear President Trump, which, by the way, could be a violation of the Espionage Act.
Here with more on this breaking report.
tim pool
So we knew he was doing that.
It was all very obvious, but I'm glad we've got some confirmation.
shane cashman
Lock him up.
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Let's grab your rants and super chats.
Mason says, Tim, if your ghost census hypothesis is correct, then the murder rates in these cities would be far higher since cities where they would would most likely pad the numbers.
Yep.
So that DC number could actually be way higher if the population is smaller and they're lying.
So the per capita could be crazier.
elad eliahu
I think there's also like an issue with how a lot of crimes are reported.
These are obviously only crimes that do or get reported.
And then there's like breakdowns on how many are actually solved or something.
So like we're not getting a clear picture out of these police reports.
vince dao
I think under Biden, didn't LA like literally just not give crime statistics?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what we're dealing with.
tim pool
Eric Shaver says, if a country can't keep track of the number of people it has, how can they keep track of the amount of money it has?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Trump should conscript the Red Army to displace all public housing and low-income residents to a reservation 50 miles outside of every major city.
After all, that's what white flight was.
Ha.
All right.
Dimension 14B says the left needs census fraud, illegal immigration, lawfare, unrest, and high crime.
They are not our neighbors with different opinions.
Their intention is to destabilize and destroy the U.S. Yeah.
Shooter 4432 says, please welcome our baby girl to the world.
She was born yesterday.
Eliza Grace, a healthy baby girl.
What do you think about hospitals trying to induce babies a lot more now?
I think that's basically the practice.
I think inducing the labor is normal for all of them.
Yeah, they do it for every single baby.
They're like, you don't want the baby to stay in too long.
So we're going to say now's the time.
phil labonte
If they induce it, like, it doesn't have to be a C-section if they induce, correct?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Bill Dozer says, Kirk Cameron warned us, oh, the rapture, Tim, we've been left behind.
Well, Kirk Cameron's still here, so he got left behind too, I guess.
Roflo says, Elod lands in Tel Aviv.
He hears a spectral voice saying Hebrew, if you build it, they will come.
Then Elod finds his life mission, disproving the dead Israel theory.
Go, Elod, go to Tel Aviv.
elad eliahu
You guys will never get rid of me as an American citizen.
I'm never leaving.
tim pool
It was funny because Sean thought Elod was Indian.
elad eliahu
Sean thought I don't go to the White House.
tim pool
He thought, wait, even though you said you were, even though you were like here doing the White House reporting, he was like, he didn't believe it?
elad eliahu
No, he was like, dude, I don't even know if you ever go there.
And I was like, shit, man, are you trying to get me fired?
I don't know.
phil labonte
I was saying some interesting things the other day.
tim pool
It was us today.
In the green room show, he was like, well, Elod's Indian.
And we were like, what?
Oh, this guy, this guy's coming for me.
elad eliahu
Stripped me of my one best quality.
tim pool
I said he's not Indian.
He's Pakistani.
And then we called up and I was like, settle the debate for us.
Are you Pakistani or Indian?
elad eliahu
Odd.
tim pool
Yeah, it was funny.
All right.
What do we have here?
What do we have here?
Let's see.
Bill Dozer says, Shane and Vince are correct on Israel.
Elad needs to stop using a dreidel.
I'm not reading that.
Okay.
elad eliahu
I've got Hanukkah yet.
I can't use the Dreidel.
tim pool
Eric Shaver says, homosexuality in men is projected on them by women who don't find them attractive as much as women love babies.
They would never give the last man on earth a choice.
It's a coping mechanism.
elad eliahu
Gay theory.
tim pool
I guess.
And then Dwimmerl, if Phil dislikes AI so much, he's really going to hate Neuro-Sama and evil.
phil labonte
I'm the only person here that's actually pro-AI.
I don't know what the hell is that.
elad eliahu
I think it's a scam, is what I think.
tim pool
It's all just Indians.
elad eliahu
No, I mean, I think there are some practical uses for it, but I think it's greatly exaggerated by like the top 20 stocks in the American economy to keep the economy propped up right now.
If it were to come out right now that AI doesn't produce half as much as they promised, then our economy would totally crash right now because our economy, again, is propped up by the top seven tech stocks who are heavily, heavily propped up because of the marketability of AI.
phil labonte
I sent you a text message with a video, a clip of the all-in podcast this weekend.
As soon as I listened to it, I thought of you watch it and at least expand your understanding of what AI is.
elad eliahu
People's belief in AI is almost to the point of a religious zealotry.
It has to be true at this point, also as a fact of the markets to keep the markets in place.
But the way these tech CEOs talk about AI is almost religious fanaticism, frankly.
tim pool
How?
elad eliahu
Because they are saying, oh, this huge technology that is definitely going to change our lives in these manifest way in X amount of years that it's going to have a substantial change on all of our lives on how we do everything.
It's not real.
I think it does sound religious, frankly.
tim pool
No, it sounds like the guys investing in a company.
elad eliahu
Their commitment to their ideas and the power of AI sounds like religious delivery to me.
tim pool
I think you're exaggerating because you don't like AI.
elad eliahu
No, I mean, I think it's exaggerated on what it could do.
And I think there's a big bubble that's going to pop in the next five years.
phil labonte
I think it's that.
elad eliahu
I think its application in real life is being over-promised and will underdeliver the video.
We'll see how it goes and how this panel is.
tim pool
It's just the videos.
It makes no sense to me how we have seen the evolution of AI over the past few years and it's been exponential and insane.
And there are people like you who are like, I plug in your ears and be like, it's not happening.
It's not happening.
phil labonte
This is not trying to be a criticism of you, but you're talking about AI from a place of ignorance.
You don't know anything about AI.
You're like, oh, it's all just LLMs, et cetera.
It's all AI is not all is not LLMs.
You already see AI used in many, many applications every single day, and you don't even think about it.
The chess bot that plays, that people play, like when you're playing against the computer, that's all AI.
When you see video games, the non-player characters, that's all AI.
Some of them are good, some of them are bad, but the idea that it's all the same and that it's all just about investment, that's totally wrong.
And the video that I sent you points to the fact that a lot of the investment that goes into AI is being spent on actual chips, like the GPUs and the GPUs burn up.
These are physical things.
One of the reasons why there was such a big bubble with the internet when it was starting, it was actually a telecommunications bubble and they talk about this.
But what they were doing was they were laying the foundation for the internet.
They were laying the underground wires across the ocean and installing what we use as an internet infrastructure.
And it cost, it was a big initial investment.
And the bubble popped because all of this stuff that was put in took time to get be utilized.
The AI that's being used nowadays, the money that's going into it are going into actual GPUs that literally melt when they get overused.
So it's an actual physical thing in the real world that gets produced and they buy it.
And you're talking about, you know, 50 grand for one of them.
tim pool
Not just that.
Movie studios have already said they're laying off their VFX departments.
phil labonte
True.
tim pool
And they're doing all their movies in AI.
And Phil and I have been sitting here with these AI songs that I played a song on my acoustic guitar.
I played a riff that I wrote.
It was a minute long, loaded it into an AI and then said, finish the song.
And it finished a four-minute song based off of my riff with full mastering, background, ambience, bass.
It's crazy.
And it's remarkable to me that people are like, AI will never capture the true soul of music.
And it's like, it will create a facsimile that agreed.
You're not going to get those imperfections of, you know, Bob Marley or whoever, but it's going to be indistinguishable to the average person.
Indistinguishable.
And it's going to eliminate already.
I saw a post a month ago where it was like, you can actually go into most LLMs and ask it to isolate a certain job that can be fully automated and it'll break down automating a specific job.
It's happening.
There's going to be an AI revolution where people are already marrying these robots.
They are getting a degree of a facsimile of human interaction that's wiping their brains.
So all this is happening.
It's happening before your eyes.
You're just choosing not to engage.
elad eliahu
I want to ask you to put some numbers to it.
So how soon, within five, within 10 years, what percent of our jobs in America do you think will disappear as a result of AI?
tim pool
Well, as of right now, I mean, so let's, we can do some, we can look it up.
How many people work in VFX in 2024?
Let's see what it says.
So there's 582 VX VFX houses between 31 and 117,000 employees.
So I can estimate that within a year or two, those jobs will be gone.
elad eliahu
I don't think all of those jobs will be gone.
Somebody will still have to put these movies together.
I think.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
The VFX people are not the people putting the movies together.
These movie production companies outsource certain scenes to VXFX houses.
So they will film a scene.
A good example in Superman.
There was a trailer where Superman's walking and someone throws a candidate's head and he blinks.
People made fun of it saying it's Superman.
Why did that happen?
So they edited it to make it so it doesn't blink.
That kind of stuff gets outsourced to VFX houses.
The movie production is production companies.
So that's why when you see a movie, it'll say like five different companies were involved in making it.
The VFX houses are gone.
Music production studios are going to be gone.
elad eliahu
So it's not that I don't think there will be any utility to AI.
I do believe that there will be utility to AI, maybe on the edge cases.
I'm not even especially compelled by the examples that you're given.
Oh, in music and in movies.
I don't think these are economy-changing initiatives and types of technology.
I don't think this justifies the quadrupling, the four, five, six X times that we're seeing on the top seven stock markets that are just constantly bolstering their different alleged AI products and how it's involved in their technology.
tim pool
That is remarkably ignorant.
The recorded music industry is a $17.7 billion revenue generator per year.
elad eliahu
Sure.
And I think this technology will have influences on our economy, but I think people are overpowered.
tim pool
All that money is still going to exist because it largely comes from consumers, people consuming the music.
That $17.7 billion will likely grow and be isolated into a few small hands of the IP owners.
elad eliahu
Have you seen NVIDIA stock over the past five years?
tim pool
And?
elad eliahu
I'm saying, have you seen it?
Do you believe that its valuation is justified based on the AI technology that's propping it up, right?
phil labonte
Based on the it's probably a little high.
The products that they develop get used up and they're continuing to make newer and faster chips, right?
So these GPUs actually get used up.
They have a life.
And so every time they develop a new chip that's faster, you're making a product.
This isn't some kind of bubble where there's nothing there.
They're making a physical product that is being used in the real world and they get hot.
That's a big reason why they need all that, the air conditioning systems and stuff like that for all these data centers.
They use them up.
tim pool
Wow, dude.
The movie industry employs approximately 2.32 million people, paying a staggering $229 billion in wages annually.
Now imagine that amount of money.
Let's just say those jobs, 2.3 million jobs, and a good portion of them are gone.
Gone.
That's what AI is going to do.
The movie entertainment industry is massive.
You're not going to need to, all these subscription services, all the hundreds of millions they spend making a Spider-Man movie, don't need to do it anymore.
It can be 10 people in a room brainstorming and then clicking a button on Google to make the movie.
They're going to need a script writer and a compliance director or whatever.
And then they're going to have their executive producer.
The scriptwriter is going to make it.
He's going to say, I don't even want to read the script.
Just load it and I'll watch the film.
They're going to sit down and watch it and go, some artifacting there and there.
Spider-Man should throw a punch there and it's going to take a week or two to tweak it and get those things right.
And then the movie is complete and it's going to be three guys and they are going to make most of that money themselves personally.
elad eliahu
I hope I'm wrong about AI because if I'm not, then our economy will have a big correction to make with how much our top 10 stocks are heavily invested in.
tim pool
And it sounds like you are trying to argue that AI won't affect us because you desperately need to be able to do it.
elad eliahu
No, no, I said it.
No, I said it will affect us and it will have impacts on our economy.
I'm saying that it's not justified in the valuation of how these stock prices are shooting up as a result of their marketing of AI.
I think they're being very clever in how they're marketing their different AI and large language models.
And I don't think the shoot up in the stock of like Google or Meta or again, like NVIDIA or Taiwan Semiconductor is justified.
tim pool
You have no basis for what you're saying.
elad eliahu
No, because it's like 50 times their basis.
It's like, again, these companies are overvalued by.
phil labonte
NVIDIA Makes things.
If you are like, okay, look, the processing, the software that they're writing these LLMs on or whatever, if that's the thing that you're criticizing, maybe there's an argument.
But again, NVIDIA makes the most advanced GPUs that are being used in this world.
tim pool
We're out of time, but basically, if you're arguing that a company that makes a physical product that is consumed isn't worth what it's selling, that's a weird art.
Like, fine, I guess.
But your argument is that AI isn't actually going to be as useful.
That is a meritless opinion.
elad eliahu
My argument is that over the past two and a half years, NVIDIA stock has shot up 1500%.
And there's a PE ratio of 60%.
tim pool
And their sales?
unidentified
I don't have their revenue sales, but for their P-E ratio.
elad eliahu
That means it's way overvalued.
That means compared to what they're earning, their stock is extremely overvalued.
If you guys, right, do you understand what a rush ratio is?
So that's what I think.
I think that AI is a marketing tool, it's clever marketing, makes these stocks extremely overvalued.
That's my point.
tim pool
Lad, do you know why NVIDIA stock is going up?
elad eliahu
Yeah, because of AI hype.
tim pool
You are wrong.
elad eliahu
No, it's AI hype.
I think that has.
tim pool
GPUs are used for crypto mining, and that sparked the initial burst in the GPU stocks.
elad eliahu
Tim, when NVIDIA mentions AI is when their stock market is when their stock share should be.
That's what's happening in the market.
tim pool
The reason why NVIDIA started skyrocketing was because the expansion of crypto.
AI is a big component recently, but you've got crypto, Bitcoin.
That massive expansion over the past 10 years caused a massive spike in the demand for GPUs because GPUs are used to mine cryptocurrencies, largely Bitcoin.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
And that is the reason why NVIDIA started selling like crazy.
phil labonte
There's also the very vanilla reason of video games are the most popular form of entertainment and GPUs are used in all of your PC video games.
tim pool
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vince dao
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elad eliahu
Thanks for tuning in, everybody.
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Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for hanging out.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a breaking story.
elad eliahu
Test, test.
tim pool
It's because Phil walked past the camera.
Now it's, oh, I see where it's at.
No, it's focused over here.
Wait.
It's trying to focus on behind me.
I move my hand forward.
Look what I'm doing.
It's not working.
That's not going to do it.
There we go.
unidentified
Yeah.
There it is.
tim pool
It's focused on the skateboard.
unidentified
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
These fucking cameras are retarded.
We should just be turning off autofocus and have them hard focused to the...
But we don't need it to manual focus because nobody moves.
I mean, we don't need to auto-focus because nobody moves.
unidentified
I've tried both.
tim pool
All right.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have breaking news.
What if I told you that Jews were spotted in front of an ATM clamoring and frantically trying to grab money?
It's true.
You ready?
unidentified
It's an app that manages your credit card spending.
elad eliahu
Like, how do you get the most rewards?
unidentified
How to know what to spend on what category of grocery cash back?
elad eliahu
This back, that back.
unidentified
So he has, he's really wanted to show that you make money in that.
So check this out.
The first time I've seen this.
Hold on.
20 seconds.
You might have to cut the video.
And money will come flying out of this ATM.
10 seconds.
Countdown.
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Check it out.
Real money flying.
All cash.
Cash, cash, cash.
Here's a real booth.
tim pool
Elad.
What's going on?
elad eliahu
Hey, I'm telling you, AI technology has gotten so advanced.
This cannot be real.
unidentified
Oh, I don't believe this AI stuff.
elad eliahu
I'm telling you, with all the movies they can make and the Spider-Man motions, every Jew in this must be fake.
I don't believe it.
tim pool
Do you think Gemini will let me make a video of Jews clamoring at an ATM?
elad eliahu
No, definitely not.
They would not make you let you make it.
tim pool
Okay.
Jews at an ATM clamoring to pick up spilt money.
elad eliahu
You see that top comment?
The booth was promising them 3,000 years ago.
tim pool
It says I am generating your video.
This could take a few minutes.
Gemini's doing it.
I told Gemini to make a video of Jews clamoring at an ATM to pick up spilt money.
elad eliahu
That money didn't even reach the ground.
unidentified
It's not their first.
elad eliahu
These guys aren't doing the team any favors.
tim pool
The Jews.
phil labonte
The tribe, you're not going to be able to do it.
tim pool
Do you think South Park nailed it?
How they were like, Cartman was doing the debating, and then Clyde just started racking on the Jews, and he got more popular.
That was good.
They nailed it.
He was like very boring about it.
He was like, yeah, feminists are bad, Jews are bad.
And they're like, you win.
You win this award.
Congratulations.
And then Cartman was mad.
He's like, you're stealing my thing.
phil labonte
He's right about the feminists.
tim pool
Yes.
elad eliahu
We need one of those here to attract more Jewish people to the company, frankly.
I'm tired of being the only one.
Feminists?
I think we could use more here.
unidentified
Jews?
elad eliahu
We're Jews.
tim pool
It's funny how some guy made a video where he was like, did you know that Timcast IRL books 27.3% of Jews?
elad eliahu
Oh, you have a Jew counter?
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Some guy made that video.
And he was like, we went through all the guests of Timcast and found that a quarter of them were Jews.
And he was like, but Jews only make up a small percentage of the population.
It's like, that's the new one.
Oh, they, oh my God.
phil labonte
You're worse than the Jews.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What the fuck is this?
What the fuck is this video?
I said, what the hell was it?
Jews at an ATM clamoring to pick up spilt money.
Is there Asians?
What the fuck is this?
Just Asian guys.
phil labonte
Not a little hat among them.
tim pool
Yeah, what the fuck is this?
It's like Thailand or something.
Yo, what the fuck?
And they're very relaxed.
phil labonte
He's like, no-can do.
tim pool
Okay, let's try this again.
phil labonte
Where's the clamoring?
tim pool
What the fuck is it?
Okay, let's try this again.
Jews, not Asians, frantically picking up money at an ATM.
What else should I say?
phil labonte
Let's see some urgency in there, right?
tim pool
In Israel.
That's weird that it made a bunch of Asians.
They were like...
elad eliahu
Are you guys off the trail?
phil labonte
There's going to be like the wailing wall in the background in the next one.
tim pool
All right.
It's rendering.
Yeah, that was our breaking news for the after the after show.
phil labonte
It was legit.
tim pool
Yo, this video has gotten millions of views.
It's got 815,000 likes.
elad eliahu
They're doing right by their sponsor, huh?
tim pool
I bet if we made a short on YouTube that said Jews clamor to pick up cash at ATM, it would get a million views.
One of our most viewed shorts ever was when the Jews were in the underground tunnels.
elad eliahu
It's something about Jewish people.
People love Jewish content.
tim pool
Everyone does.
If I made a video that said blacks digging hole in the ground and climbing through tunnel, nobody'd click it.
If I said Asians were clamoring at an ATM, nobody'd give a fuck.
But if you say Jews are digging tunnels, clamoring an ATM, or like flying in a helicopter, everybody wants to see it.
elad eliahu
We have a level of mystique to us.
And Vince, you're bringing down the Jew numbers of the show, huh?
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
I don't know what the fuck this is.
unidentified
More Asians?
elad eliahu
Yeah, yeah, okay.
unidentified
oh He left it by.
tim pool
Wait, this is dropped the money.
This is a Jew dropping money and not caring.
unidentified
How he cost my money.
What's that about, dude?
The fact that the Jew dropped the money and didn't care.
phil labonte
No one's team alive.
No, the AI is the AI is probably broke.
unidentified
What's the money cost?
tim pool
And why does the woman just walk away?
Watch this, watch.
See the lady?
She gets in line?
Oh, she's stealing his pin.
So if you were to post this video online and ask if people thought it was AI, they would instantly say, of course it is because the Jew dropped money.
phil labonte
Just tell it more money and more frantic.
tim pool
Okay, let's try this again.
elad eliahu
More Jews, more money, more frantic.
tim pool
And chaotic scene of panicked Jews fighting over money that spilled out of an ATM.
elad eliahu
I thought you were going to write spilled out of a Gazan's corpse.
tim pool
Okay.
unidentified
It's out of a Gazin's corpse.
elad eliahu
That's where they're hiding all the money, and that's why I'm not.
tim pool
Okay, I said unhinged and catic scene of panicked Hasidic Jews fighting over money that spilled out of an ATM and it says it's making it.
Now, now I want to stress, a lot of people are going to say, Tim, that's anti-Semitic.
You can't do that.
I'm only trying to recreate literally the video we just watched.
I'm trying to see if AI will replicate that video and how can we get it to.
Because you said it was AI.
That's the joke.
So it's rendering.
elad eliahu
It's funny because the quality of these videos actually look higher than the quality of the original video.
And that gives it too, when it's a little bit too realistic, it kind of looks fake too because it's like, who's shooting these with these crazy highs?
Phone quality.
tim pool
Well, it's not that it's Uncanny Valley.
It's kind of.
Maybe that's a kind of Uncanny Valley.
It's too good of quality for this candid scene.
elad eliahu
It almost looks like commercial, yeah, commercial level video as opposed to somebody just doing a selfie on his iPhone.
tim pool
I am very annoyed how Gemini allows you to make like four videos a day and they're only eight seconds.
Because when you're trying to make a video that's like 30 seconds long where you can tell a short story, you can't.
Because it'll take you a week just because they put a limiter on it.
It's like, bro, I pay you money.
Give me a fucking.
elad eliahu
Oh, you subscribe and they're still limiting you?
tim pool
The only way to do it is if you pay.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Let's go, baby.
Let's go.
unidentified
There we go.
There we go.
Out of my way.
tim pool
What are they doing?
unidentified
Get the money.
That's the money.
phil labonte
How does this make you feel alive?
I love the fact that they're going to be able to do it.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Let's go.
Get the money.
Mine.
It's mine.
Give it to me.
phil labonte
Get the money.
unidentified
Mine.
It's mine.
Give it to me.
Out of my way.
It looks and sounds like a movie.
tim pool
What are they doing?
unidentified
Mine.
Give me the money.
Give it to me.
Out of my way.
Bro, I can't believe Gemini made this.
Get the money.
Mine.
phil labonte
It's mine.
tim pool
Okay, I'm going to make one more.
I'm going to make one more so that no one can be mad at me.
elad eliahu
You're going to use all four of your uses.
tim pool
Intelligent, Hasidic Jews looking disgusted as white people clamor over money.
There we go.
Now we'll do this one.
And then we'll take your calls.
Isn't AI fun?
phil labonte
And no complaining about that video is.
elad eliahu
Nobody can mind.
unidentified
Mine.
It's mine.
Give it to me.
tim pool
It's mine.
It's mine.
Give it to me.
unidentified
Out of my way.
tim pool
There's people standing around filming them doing it.
Wait, I can't generate that video.
Try describing another idea.
Okay, Hasidic Jews being really cool and awesome.
And everyone is cheering for them and saying, you're the best.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Right?
Here we go.
It's Megan this one.
All right.
We'll grab callers while it's rendering.
Let's start with Daniel.
What's going on?
unidentified
Hey, guys.
phil labonte
What's up, Daniel?
unidentified
Stop.
So, question for the panel.
Why should legal sentences for crimes where there's an actual victim not be about the actual punishment?
Because the government has made taking personal vengeance almost completely, they've made it almost completely legal, if not actually completely illegal.
tim pool
So for example, go ahead.
unidentified
So for example, if some piece of garbage attacks my kid, the government will usually try to jail me if I ever so lovingly teach him that it was a terrible idea.
In such a case, why, like, like, that's not correct.
tim pool
That's not correct.
unidentified
What do you mean?
tim pool
If a guy is hurting your child, you can kill him.
unidentified
No, I'm referring to after the fact, not during.
vince dao
Like vigilante.
unidentified
Like you find, like, you come back home and you find out that this one guy.
tim pool
Because the issue is proving it and due process rights.
Because if we were like, hold on, officer, I know you just watched me shoot that person, but trust me, I'm justified.
They're going to be like, great, we'll figure that out.
Like, bullshit.
We can't.
unidentified
I get that.
tim pool
That's why we don't allow vigilantism because you can't have people just kill another person and then claim they had a right to do it for some grievance.
Because people will be wrong and it's not correct and their grievance will be not justified.
And some people think that if you push their kid, they can smash your testicles in a vice.
And that's why we're like, no, you can't do these things.
So we're going to create a standard where we say, don't go around doing these things.
unidentified
No, no, no.
I get that.
That's not my point.
My point isn't that you should be allowed to take justice into your own hands.
What I'm saying is, given that the justice system has taken that out of my, you know, my metaphorical hands, like, they should, at the very least, be my proxy in this case.
Like, you, like, you've made it so that I have no way of getting vengeance here.
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
I don't know what you mean.
unidentified
Like, like, it just seems like everyone's like, you know, everywhere I keep hearing about the prison system or the, or legal punishments or whatever, it's supposed to be, you know, like to make them, you know, to rehabilitate them or, you know, to take them away from society or something.
Never about, you know, like actually giving them the punishment so that, you know, so that the victims, assuming that they have been proven so, can get like actual satisfaction.
tim pool
That's not correct.
Prison is a punishment.
vince dao
But there's usually civil penalties that come with that type of stuff, too.
tim pool
But like, regardless, prison and the process and everything you go through is literally punishing you and stripping you of your rights.
Now, there's an argument for rehabilitation after the fact, but yeah, they're literally punishing the person.
I think the concept of like it's just like you're saying you personally don't.
This is the issue.
You personally don't like the kind of punishment they've decided will be uniform.
That's the argument.
unidentified
Fair enough.
elad eliahu
I think like the concept of getting justice for a crime that was committed against you or others is a very complicated thing.
Like what does justice truly look like in many of these cases?
For example, if your daughter was, God forbid, raped, like what does justice actually look like?
tim pool
I don't know if there's a form of proper justice that could really, you know, indentured servitude, make you feel like you think the proper I think like if a guy raped a woman discernibly, provably, then, or we shouldn't even say the rape woman, like if someone wrongs you, they should be forced to serve you.
That's justice.
That's like, that's remedying the error of the problem.
elad eliahu
For some people, that's kind of where there's no justice, though.
If I'm a woman who's gotten raped, I don't know if there's any level of thing that could be done for me that would justice.
Exactly.
tim pool
I would argue that the person being forced to submit and serve as an inenjured servant would be a form of justice.
He imposed his will upon her, and now she has the legal authority over him.
elad eliahu
Is this kind of caller?
Is this kind of what you were hinting at, like how justice manifests And whether or not it's satisfactory to people who had crimes perpetrated against them.
unidentified
I mean, kind of, you know, like that wouldn't necessarily have been the solution I could thought of, but it's a start.
You know, like it's a start in a certain, because like sometimes it just seems like sending them off to prison.
Like, I understand going through would be a punishment, but from the outside, it just seems like, wait, that's all this guy gets.
vince dao
I think what he's trying to say is like, if there's someone who hurts your kid, right, exactly.
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, or, you know, just, you know, for example, hurt him, hurt him as bad as he hurt my kid.
Let's say, for example, he broke my kid's arm.
You know, like camaraderie, basically.
tim pool
The problem with this is we don't always know, and there's no uniform standard.
And I feel like people on the right always default to crime is universally known, accepted, and provable.
And what actually ends up happening is a woman claims she got raped.
The father is furious and says, I want his balls in a vice.
And then it turns out the daughter or his daughter falsely accused the guy, who knows.
And so the system is trying as much as possible to safeguard against wrongful accusations and create a uniform code of justice.
But the system you're describing would be, I know I'm right.
Fuck this guy.
He hurt my kid.
Fuck, I don't care.
I want vengeance.
And then it turns out you killed the wrong guy.
elad eliahu
Like a limit tilt type situation, if you will.
tim pool
Perhaps.
unidentified
Fair enough.
Yeah, I can't argue with that one.
You know, like, granted, like, for example, let's say the guy saw this, or, you know, there's a video recording pre-AI days, and, you know, and he knows that he knows that this guy did it.
tim pool
You know, like, outside of that, yeah, you know, the other thing I think is like, it kind of sounds like what you're just saying is that men are pussies.
Like, if a guy killed your kid, okay.
elad eliahu
Consequences be damned.
tim pool
Yeah, like, consequences can go to hell.
You're saying, like, damn it, if I do anything, they'll stop me.
It's like, they will.
So what you're really saying is, I. Well, they're not going to stop you.
unidentified
They're just more going to make you attempt to make you regret it after the fact.
tim pool
Right.
But the point is, the system tries to stop you.
It's basically saying those that are inhibited by such a system are saying, I would, I fear the system more than I want to get vengeance for the crime committed against me and my family.
Like I saw a law-abiding citizen.
That dude murdered everybody.
And he wasn't supposed to lose in the end, but was it Jamie Fox was like, I'm going to lose.
And they were like, okay, that was lame.
The best scene ever was when he saws that guy's limbs off.
You guys see that movie?
unidentified
Oh, that was juicy.
tim pool
Gerard Butler's at home and then two guys break into his house, rape his wife and kill his kid and his wife.
So then he kidnaps one of the guys and then tortures him and films it and then public and then gives the video and like, I did it.
Then he goes to prison, but he already pre-planned everything.
So he secretly is breaking out.
He murders his cellmate, gets placed in solitary where he has an escape that he already made because he tunneled into the prison.
And then he goes around killing all the people in the DA's office and shit like that.
He was supposed to win in the end.
And we all wanted him to.
But then Jamie Foxx was like, nah, I'm the good guy.
I win.
And they were like, okay, and they ruined the movie.
So that's the one.
Once AI gets that point, I'm making a new ending.
Yeah.
But, you know, I get your point, right?
But it's because justice is blind.
There's oftentimes, I would say most of the time, there are people who are accused of a crime who are innocent, but the parents don't care.
The state says, look at the evidence.
He did it.
And the parents say, fucking burn.
I'll kill you, motherfucker.
And then it turns out DNA evidence exonerates the guy and he was wrongfully accused.
That happens a lot.
That's why we have jury trials.
That's why we have bench.
That's why we have trials.
Did you want to add anything or shout anything out?
unidentified
I guess a quick callback.
Like last time I was here, I asked what might the reaction be to the charging with the anti-lynching act of the mob that attacked a white couple.
And after much meditation and praying, I believe I figured it out.
They would be speechless.
Controlling words, controlling minds.
tim pool
That was cloudy.
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