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tim pool
It is done.
Donald Trump has announced he is federalizing the D.C. police and deploying the National Guard to get the crime rate and the homelessness under control.
And the liberals are coming out protesting saying he's lying.
We've got reporters from NBC saying he's lying.
Crime is down.
It's not down.
A DC police commander has been accused by the police union in DC of flubbing the numbers.
And the union says actually at the highest levels they flubbed the numbers to make everything look good.
Ignore the stats that they give you and just look at the number itself.
When they tell you crime is down, say okay, because the homicide rate is still twenty seven per hundred thousand, which is greater than Chicago.
It's not the worst in the country, but it's pretty bad and it's worse than many of our cities.
Why would that be acceptable?
But there is still debate about the overreach of the federal government, the police state, we'll talk about that.
We've got other big news as well, broke.
Kim Davis has filed a writ of cert to the Supreme Court to overturn Obergefell, which would end gay marriage in this country as we know it.
Now the question is, will they actually accept cert meaning, will they decide to take this case?
Some have argued no.
However, most people agree.
It's a six to three Supreme Court.
They're going to overturn Obergefell and there's good reason to do it.
So we're going to talk about that.
We've got a lot more.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and much more is Vince Dow.
vince dao
Hey, good to be here.
I'm Vince Dow, a Gen Z conservative commentator, and yeah, it's great to be back on the show.
tim pool
Right on, man.
Thanks for hanging out.
Elod is here.
elad eliahu
Hey, good evening, everyone.
I'm Elod Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
Happy to be here.
How's it going, everyone?
shane cashman
What up?
I'm Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live.
I'll be leaving here around 9:40 tonight to interview an exorcist whose father was an exorcist.
And I will be joined in the studio by Mary Morgan of Pop Culture Crisis.
We're also probably going to talk about rabbits growing horns in Colorado.
Hi, Phil.
tim pool
Wait, what, really?
elad eliahu
Yes.
shane cashman
And tentacles.
tim pool
And tentacles.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
The horns I can believe like that.
shane cashman
Yeah, they got both, yeah.
They're like little krakens.
tim pool
Is this real though?
shane cashman
Like this real story, you can look it up.
tim pool
Like a real NBC News reporter kind of thing.
shane cashman
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
What?
shane cashman
We have pictures and everything.
tim pool
I'm gonna put that up now.
shane cashman
Yeah, I want to get one for here.
tim pool
Jacalopes are real.
I was hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello everyone, my name is Phil LeBonti.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the news, man.
From the AP, Trump says he's placing Washington police under federal control and activating the National Guard.
phil labonte
Good.
tim pool
Actually, I think we can just play this video here and you can hear from Trump himself.
donald j trump
And we're here for a very serious purpose.
Very serious purpose.
Something's out of control, but we're gonna put it in control very quickly, like we did on the southern border.
I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam, and squalor, and worse.
This is Liberation Day in D.C., and we're going to take our capital back.
We're taking it back.
Under the authorities vested in me as the President of the United States, I'm officially invoking Section 740 of the District of Columbia Home Rule Act.
You know what that is?
And placing the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department under direct federal control, and you'll be meeting the people that will be directly involved with that.
Very good people, but they're tough and they know what's happening and they've done it before.
In addition, I'm deploying the National Guard to help re-establish law, order, and public safety in Washington, D.C., and they're going to be allowed to do their job properly.
And you people are victims of it too.
You know, you're reporters and I understand a lot of you tend to be on the liberal side, but you don't want to get mugged and raped and shot and killed.
And you all know people and friends of yours that happened.
tim pool
Here's what I find absolutely insane.
We are in the DC area.
We're not that far away.
We go there quite a bit.
We were there over the past several weeks for the live culture war podcast shows.
Crime is really bad.
There's tent cities everywhere.
Homelessness is really bad.
And we have to discuss security protocol for staff before we go because we know it's really bad and there's liability issues.
It is remarkable to me to see all of these political class liberals going on social media putting up videos where they say there's no crime.
Crime is down.
Trump is lying.
It's a military takeover.
I'm just thinking to myself, like, who are they talking to?
Because you know what, at this point, they're not talking to people who live in cities.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Because people who live in cities are like, I don't like crime.
So is he talking to like the boomer in a retirement home who's not, you know, like Mark Elias's video where it's like Trump is doing this to take over, just have federal takeovers of American cities with soldiers and blah, blah, blah.
He's done it before, he'll do it again.
It's like, well, DC crime is it's it's 27 murders per 100,000.
That's insane.
That's more than many, most of our cities in this country.
That's intolerable.
So it is remarkable to me that there are people who genuinely believe the lies coming from the press that crime is a 30-year-old lie.
Isn't a thirty year low and everything safe?
phil labonte
I think that it's easy for them to believe the lies because they want to, right?
Like if Trump does something, their knee jerk reaction is going to be, you know, it's bad because Trump did it or Trump's lying.
This isn't true.
That just seems fairly obvious to me, right?
Like that that's just what they always do.
They say Trump said it, so I disagree.
vince dao
Yeah, no, they've basically done the first, the full circle back to like 2020 where crime is good and basically defending crime is their political position.
But even then the argument that crime is down, even if you want to believe their statistics, which are probably fake, as we noted, the argument is basically., I think they said it's down like seven percent from last year.
That still means you're having a crime rate that's three times the rate of Mexico City.
I mean, I'm sure many people saw the chart that was released today.
It's like, you know, it's the same thing with Karen Bass and the homeless.
If you have a problem that's at record highs and you bring it down like two percent, the argument is, oh, the problem is now fixed and that's obviously such a ridiculous argument.
And yeah, we've all been in DC.
I was at Union Station, I think last time in October 2024.
You're literally stepping over homeless people in the capital.
And I think that's also an underrated aspect of this story.
It's not just about cleaning up crime.
He's also trying to basically make it where homeless people should not at least be in the capital zone.
I mean, that's like the.
Like the pride jewel of our nation.
There's no reason people from this country and around the world should come to our center of our country and see that it's insane.
shane cashman
These politicians don't mean anything.
They say these are the same people who said January 6 is worse than Pearl Harbor and now crime is nothing, you know?
So they just pick and choose what's going to scare the people.
vince dao
And it was okay to federalize DC back then, right?
shane cashman
It was a Yeah, cover it with barbed wire.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, I just don't like I said, it's just Trump said this.
So, you know, they just have to say Trump's wrong.
It was the same thing with like when Trump was criticizing Haiti or saying, you know, Haiti is a nightmare, which Haiti is a nightmare.
shane cashman
Total nightmare.
phil labonte
And then, and then nightmare.
tim pool
Conan went to a resort with armed guards went swimming and said, look how beautiful it is.
And it's it's evil.
It's it's great.
I don't understand.
Conan knew what he did.
There's Conan flew in with armed security because he would die otherwise and staged a fake Potemkin show knowing he did it.
Maybe there's something about communism and Potemkin villages.
shane cashman
Yeah, their preferred politicians, the Clintons are the ones who helped destroy Haiti, you know, for decades, you know, literally honeymoon Bill and Hillary honeymoon there and looked at each other and said, we should destroy this place.
tim pool
I genuinely believe, look guys, I'm not one to ever just be conspiratorial as much as the media might lie and say that I am.
I always have some basis for my thoughts and opinions from some news report, which can be troubling because sometimes often they're lying.
I genuinely believe USAID was funneling money to prop up media and big channels like Colbert getting canceled and whatever.
I think directly or indirectly.
The U.S. government, maybe it was USAID or otherwise, USAID or otherwise, was funding sock puppet account bot accounts online to prop up liberal personalities to make it look like they were getting traffic.
Because we saw this when.
Elon announced he was buying Twitter, all these liberals, you guys remember this?
They lost hundreds of thousands to millions of followers.
When Elon won the court battle and he was going to buy, it was like someone at Twitter said, Quick, burn everything.
And they started eliminating millions of bot accounts.
vince dao
I think it's the same thing, the current debate with removing illegal immigrants from the census.
Because when you even look at the supposed fifty fifty split of America and how competitive every election is and it comes down to Pennsylvania, that's all fake.
You look at a state like California, I mean massively inflated in the electoral count because of illegal aliens.
tim pool
No, no.
What if it's crazier than this?
What if the new census finds that we didn't track this, but there's census fraud?
What if Democrats in California were increasing the amount of people in the census count because nobody checks?
And it's going to turn out that California's actually only got 36 million people.
What do they have?
50-something, they claim?
vince dao
Not sure.
unidentified
16.
tim pool
16 a million?
phil labonte
How many people live in California?
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't remember.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm saying total people.
shane cashman
Oh, I don't know.
tim pool
The illegal immigrant argument might actually just be a red herring.
the real issue might be be that democrats have been just claiming more people live there when they did 39 500 29 000 and what if it comeses out?
It's like, actually, they added three to four million to the number, giving themselves extra seats without actually anyone living there.
shane cashman
That's dead internet theory, but in the physical world.
tim pool
Let me ask you, how many times have we or anyone else talked about census fraud?
Yeah, never.
phil labonte
Never.
tim pool
So I wouldn't be surprised with Trump doing the census move now if the reason they're freaking out is they're like, it's not about illegal immigrants.
It's about, you know, they do ballot harvesting and they do.
We watch them do it and people get paid to collect ballots.
Why would I not believe at the same time they're saying, you know that census form you got filled out?
They said three people lived there.
Make it six.
shane cashman
It's like when Joe found all those dead peoplead people getting benefits, right?
Like a 190-year-old guy getting benefits.
vince dao
Still, consider how much that warps your understanding of American politics and the supposed competitiveness.
You look back to 2024, it's like, wow, no, actually, this country is not 50-50.
It's the entire majority or split of Democrats or Liberals the past at least decade or so is essentially fake.
You know, it is.
elad eliahu
I think the bigger picture story in regards to Trump bringing in the National Guard and taking over the Metropolitan Police is this another example of him flexing his executive authority on the Democrats.
I think he's frankly being politically wise not to let a good tragedyedy go to waste.
We saw big balls get beaten up.
That was that Former Doge staffer, I believe it was, and there's bloody pictures of him.
And he saw the opportunity, despite whatever the crime rates in DC may be, he's like, I'm going to take over.
And I think he's using this as a road map to do in other cities.
He actually implied it in the press briefing today that he had that he might do this in other cities.
He mentioned Chicago, he mentioned New York.
So I think this is just another example of him trying to flex those muscles.
I think we should be honest here too, DC is an eighty twenty area.
He's taking control of where Democrats work and live and flexing his muscles on them and saying, I'm going to bring the National Guard.
tim pool
No, no, no, but but but let's also not forget that all of the highest crime cities are under democrats.
elad eliahu
Definitely.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
And he's going to use that as an excuse to bring in the National Guard as well.
Not as an excuse.
tim pool
I don't think it's an excuse for targeting Democrats.
It's just a correlation, not a cause.
So they're going to say Trump is targeting Democrats.
No, it's just that all the worst cities are Democrats run.
Trump's not saying I'm coming after you Democrats.
He's saying crime is really bad.
I'm coming to your city.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
And he also did bring in the National Guard.
People say a little bit too soon into Los Angeles or wherever those anti ICE protests were in California.
vince dao
The city was already on fire.
elad eliahu
I foresee him doing that in other cities down the line.
phil labonte
Look at the results of him bringing the National Guard into LA.
It worked, right?
Like the whole point of the National Guard going to LA was they were there to basically do crowd control while ICE did their jobs.
And that's probably the blueprint that he's going to use in DC and other places.
The military or the National Guard will be there for crowd control to make sure that people aren't interfering with law enforcement carrying out their duties because he now he federalized law enforcement as well.
So if there's National Guard on site, it's only there to make sure that law enforcement who is being directed by the Trump administration now by the federal government can carry out their job.
shane cashman
Should he do it in other cities?
elad eliahu
crime rises to the rate or protests or riots are going to be controlled by the police departments that exist there.
tim pool
What do you mean if crime rises to the rate?
elad eliahu
Like, I don't know.
tim pool
What is the murder rate in our cities?
Like, of DC specifically, I think you said it was something like twenty seven, Chicago is twenty, Detroit is thirty seven, Baltimore is forty five.
elad eliahu
So the question is, what do you think the line should be for when he sends in the National Guard or has to nationalize whatever police department?
tim pool
You know, I'm going to be liberal and say ten.
elad eliahu
ten.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Okay, but you know, we can take a look at the per capita deaths of, let's do Malma, Sweden, because I went there and that was a big deal.
It's one.
And so we look at these other countries where their murder rate is one per 100,000.
And we're supposed to be happy that DC's got a higher murder rate than what did they say, like Bogota and Colombia or whatever.
That's insane.
The crazy thing is that crime's down.
Yeah, but it's still 27 murders per 100,000.
What's wrong with you people?
It's like you're watching a dude smash up your house and let it on fire and you're like, yeah, yeah, but they're smashing up less than they did yesterday.
I don't care.
Stop them.
Stop it all.
So the insurrection act.
This is a funny argument.
Trump can invoke the insurrection act and deploy active duty military for law enforcement if the laws are not being enforced at the local level.
One could argue that right now, any reasonable person would be like, yeah, Chicago ain't got no law enforcement.
And the local cops might say, our hands are tied.
They won't let us do it.
NYPD might say the same thing.
I say this.
If the unions in these, here's a good criteria.
If the police unions, I'm not a big fan of the police unions, but any public sector unions or any unions, but if the police union come out and say, every time we make an arrest, they're let go.
We can't enforce the law.
Trump goes, okay, send in the troops.
The police have said it.
I think that's criteria.
elad eliahu
I suspect this will be the blueprint for many other cities when we see any sort of flare-ups.
I think Trump has his finger on the button ready to deploy when he sees anyone challenging his authority.
phil labonte
I mean, look, if there's an inkling of any kind of riots like they had in 2020, I think it's a good thing that he's actually willing to take the steps necessary to prevent the riots from destroying property, destroying people's livelihoods, killing people, which is what happened during 2020.
So I don't think it's a problem at all.
The federal government has the authority to do that, and I don't think it's an issue.
elad eliahu
I do also believe that the cities have been overrun with crime for a while, and I think there was a fascinating media picture here because Trump has a lot of Fox News alumni beside him at this daily briefing where he spoke about wanting to bring in the National Guard and such.
He was standing next to former judge Janine Pirro.
He was standing next to Pete Hexeth, among others.
So this has been a narrative, a correct narrative.
When I say narrative, I don't imply this to be false about how there is crime that needs to be addressed in the cities.
And I believe Trump is attacking that narrative head on and trying to dispel it by sending in the National Guards to try to address it.
So this is something that I think he thinks will play very popular with the base, trying to address crime in these cities, because I think those narratives play very well on news networks like Fox News.
vince dao
You know, it's a winning issue, but I think this is also just something that Trump genuinely cares about and a lot of other Republicans wouldn't think to do.
And why is that?
Because Trump is a New Yorker.
He's a real estate developer, right?
He's someone who comes from the cities.
I think he has a love for it.
And I think that, you know, a lot of conservatives have this mentality that, oh, if we kind of retreat into rural America, whatever, just stay out of those liberal hellholes, everything will be fine.
But Trump is basically taking this approach that, no, America's cities are kind of the icons of our civilization.
We should take them back.
We should make them safe and livable places to be.
And that's something conservatives should prioritize, actually.
You know what I mean?
tim pool
Stop agreeing, Ilad.
People get entangled when we argue with each other.
elad eliahu
Well, you're about retreating from the cities.
I think we need to take them back over.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Let's go, Ilad.
You're wrong.
unidentified
No.
elad eliahu
No, we need to take the cities back.
We can't let Mom Dani and these other communists take over.
Trump needs to involve himself in the mayoral race in New York.
He needs to tell Curtis Leewood to drop out and I don't know if I'm endorsing Eric Adams or Cuomo here, but I agree with you.
It's putting me in a really tough bond between a rock and a hard place here.
The communist Eric Adams, the only person I've ever voted for when I voted once, or Andrew Cuomo, the guy who did a shit job during COVID and was allegedly groping many of his staffers.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story from Newsweek real quick.
We've got this from Newsweek.
As Trump floats new census, how many people really live in the US?
Now liberals are freaking out saying what Trump is doing is unconstitutional.
It's not possible.
It can't be done.
I think, my friends, I'm going to tell you this.
I have a couple of conspiracy theories for you.
I think there are substantially less people than they're letting on.
I think that it's entirely possible the census is fake or that there's census fraud.
Why?
We've talked about how Democrats bring in illegal immigrants to pad the censorship.
I'm censoring the census numbers, not censorship.
The more people they have in their states, the more congressional seats they get.
Illegal immigrants count towards this.
I don't even understand why we even made that argument.
It's much, much easier for them just claim somebody's there when they're not and no one checks.
In the census, what is it?
On the form that you say how many people are in your house and they just write a number down?
The numbers probably fake.
Newsweek writes, President Trump announced Thursday he was ordering a new U.S. census that would exclude undocumented immigrants, arguing that it's unconstitutional to count them despite courts regularly holding census must count everyone regardless of immigration status.
With estimates on the undocumented population varying widely from around 11 million to a size 20, just how big is the U.S. population?
Excuse me, they say currently it's 334 million 334 million 914,896.
The figure is broken down by native born population at 85.7 and foreign born population at 14.3, with nearly two thirds of the latter having entered the US before 2010.
Out of 47.8 million foreign born US residents, 24.9 million were naturalized citizens.
Democrats are freaking out saying Trump can't do this.
We'll see if he can, but I'm curious how many of you think the census is fraudulent.
elad eliahu
So I think you have good reason to believe this because I do recall a story actually where I'm actually reading right now, key house committee has begun investigation the census bureau overcount and undercounts that favored Democrats in awarding congressional appointments and electoral college votes.
I believe there were problems with this in the last census where it did overcount in the Democrats' favor.
vince dao
The Census Bureau admitted it publicly.
And after all, I mean, I don't know why no one's ever asked the question, if you were conducting a census during the COVID lockdowns, how could that possibly be accurate?
It seems like just a logistical issue there.
So, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, look, even if the census were accurate, I still think that redoing the census is a perfectly good idea because of the fact that the Biden administration left the border open for four years and literally was welcoming people in for any reason at all.
tim pool
Yeah.
I don't care if there's a reason or not.
If at this point I'm like, we know that there's a problem with how we count people in this country and we're applying political power to non citizens.
Don't do it.
My attitude is just at this point when Trump says, we're if Trump came out and said, there's no reason.
I just want to make sure that Americans are being counted properly and we're portioning congressional seats, political power and resources evenly.
I'd say, okay.
If Trump came out and said, there's crime and we're shutting it down, I'd be like, yep, because Democrats have lied and run roughshot over us for four decades.
shane cashman
It'd be nice to do it before the midterms too.
tim pool
That's what's happening, maybe.
unidentified
You know what?
vince dao
It's all about the Texas stuff.
On the constitutional argument.
I mean, at least pre Biden, most or at least a huge number of illegal aliens are here on visa overstays.
So if you're here, count as a if you're here as a tourist, you're not counted in the visa.
But then suddenly after you overstay the 90 days, then you would be counted.
I don't know if that argument even makes sense from their perspective.
You know, it shouldn't.
Yeah, it shouldn't.
tim pool
Well, I think one reason that Trump wants a new census, it's not just I think it's a direct reason it's planned, right?
He says, ICE lock everyone up.
You, self deport.
I think Trump's actually saying, no, no, even if we count illegal immigrants, we're going to find the numbers way down.
I think it's going to change the game.
elad eliahu
If they want to refill the census, I think a key component here would be if they filled out and put a Are you a citizen question this time?
There were legal suit battles when Donald Trump tried to incorporate this during the first term.
The question is super important because it either scares off people who are illegal immigrants from filling out the form altogether or it gives information to the government of where illegal immigrants are currently staying, which would make them potential, you know, you'd have the information to send over right over to ICE to potentially in a different way.
vince dao
Or they don't answer and then they don't get, or they don't get.
elad eliahu
So I think that's an important thing to consider.
The last time Trump did it in his first term and he tried to incl to include that there were court battles over it.
And I think he I believe he ultimately lost that court battle.
But that would be crucial in swinging it in the Republican's direction.
But I think we should also be honest here.
This is all just power politics and Republicans and Democrats are just trying to justify their power politics.
I don't think people are being principled here, not whether that's good or bad, but I think the ultimate goal that the president has is to keep his majority.
He doesn't want to have to deal with a Democrat-led majority.
They would investigate every single thing that he did and they would likely impeach him.
And he doesn't want his last two years of his presidency to be like that.
tim pool
I think when you look at the facts a lot, you'll find that, well, the Republican Party is largely garb garbage.
The right tends to be more on principle.
So it is a, let's just say 80-20 on the right, principle is going to be the guiding force, 80-20 on the left, power is going to be the guiding force.
And the example I'll give you right now is we know that crime is really bad in DC.
I'm actually going to pull up the proof for you in a second, not so much the proof, but well, no, we can pull up the crime stats and all that stuff.
Crime is, they're saying crime is way, way down.
phil labonte
But when you go to the highest murder rate in the country, it's not the highest.
Well, that's what not Google does.
tim pool
Detroit, Baltimore, there's high.
phil labonte
As of 2024, District of Columbia has the highest murder rate in the United States with a rate of 27.54 homicides per 100,000 residents.
So this is according to who?
Braves AI or whatever.
tim pool
Look up, look up, look up, look up per capita murder rate in Baltimore and tell me that's higher than a D, higher than DC.
phil labonte
I'll google that.
We'll do Google.
tim pool
We'll take that one for now.
But my point is right now in response to what Trump is doing, you've got videos popping up where they're saying crime is not bad.
It's like, hold on, bro.
Well, we we live here.
I see it.
I see it all the time.
We go there.
We go there once or twice a week.
I get dinner there.
And I can see homeless camps on the sidewalk in the middle of the city.
There, there, there, there was a shooting a couple blocks away from the White House.
vince dao
This is crazy.
There's been like multiple shootings out there.
tim pool
Yo, at National Harbor, which is not, it's the just out, just south of DC.
When you're in Maryland, there's a stabbing and a robbing, robbery like a mugging every week or every other week.
It's in the news all the time.
Yo, at the National Harbor Hotel, some dudes with rifles shot a dude through the gut in the hotel and the dude fled from the building with bloodspring and this was a year ago.
Like, and this is, this is, this is the DC Metro in what is supposed to be a very nice area very close to the airport to DCA.
This stuff happens all the time.
Fine, make the argument, but it's down.
It's still ridiculously high.
Give me the context.
If the liberals came out and said, okay, to be fair, crime is real.
Okay, to be fair, crime is really bad.
It's going down though.
So maybe if they wanted to make the argument that Trump shouldn't do it because crime is on the decline.
So he doesn't need it right now.
It's working.
I'd say, okay, I still think Trump should, Trump doing this isn't that, that, that's an argument.
I get it.
I would just argue that Trump is doing the right thing by going faster.
But they're not arguing that.
They're arguing crime is at the lowest point in thirty years.
So my point is, call it power politics.
But when you take a look at this right now, Trump says, well, we have the DOJ issuing the grand jury probe against the Obamagate stuff, right?
As they should because we know at the bare minimum, there's probable cause that a crime was committed.
And we want a grand jury to determine whether or not charges should be brought.
Their arguments, the Democrats, is that Trump is getting revenge against the people who tried to hold him accountable.
But we know the criminal charge like Letitia James, for instance, they're probing her.
What did they do?
A grand jury investigation against her or something like that?
No, no, she was speeaned.
I can't remember.
elad eliahu
About mortgage fraud.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, no.
There's something recently last week.
I was out because my I strained my vocal cords.
That's what happened.
You can hear me.
I'm a little raspy.
But anyway, my point is Letitia James is crooked.
Like the felony charges brought against Trump were crooked.
The civil fraud charges brought against Trump were crooked.
We know that.
So Trump, so the DOJ says, we're going to go after the corrupt.
And the Democrats respond with, he's weaponizing the DOJ against us.
No, he's using the DOJ as it's intended to be used to stop corruption from you.
So I understand your point.
We're saying it's just power politics.
But if you actually break the facts down, Trump's right.
It's crazy that this has been the case for ten years.
Don't care if you like Trump.
Don't care if you like Trump's policies.
The Democrats arrested his lawyers, made false charges against them.
You want to sit there and say J six was bad and Trump did it?
Okay, I won't even argue that.
The felony charges on the documents being altered case, fake beyond the statute of limitations could not be brought.
They brought it anyway.
The rape charges, they created a special law just to go after Trump for this on a thirty-year-old claim without real evidence.
And then you had the civil fraud where the bank said he never defrauded us.
He actually gave us the documents and told us, not to mention it wasn't Trump himself.
It's crazy.
Trump runs a company.
His staff goes to these banks and says, here's the numbers we believe to be correct.
One of the papers in those documents says, do your own due diligence.
We may have got some of this information wrong.
They said, we will.
They came back and said, hey, you got the square footage wrong on this building.
And they went, oops.
And they said, we're going to lower the loan amount because of that.
And they said, okay.
And there's a handshake.
Everybody made money was happy.
And then he got, he got sued by the state for civil fraud.
It's fake.
It's all fake.
What do we expect to happen?
The DOJ should go after the corrupt, but they're going to come out and say, no, Trump's weaponizing the DOJ against them.
They're evil.
That's just it.
elad eliahu
And that's why a lot of the people who argue that it's politically motivated have no credibility because they were behind politically motivated attacks for so long.
Schiff's a prime example of this with perpetrated how much he perpetrated the Russia collusion hoax.
phil labonte
No one should care what any Democrats say.
If you're on the right, just ignore them.
They're going to make stuff up.
They're going to say whatever they can say to get their base fired up.
They don't have matter.
They're going to complain no matter what he does.
So just continue with the policies that you were elected to institute.
tim pool
And let's jump to this.
We have a tweet from everyone's favorite, Hillary Clinton.
She said, as you listen to an unhinged Trump try to justify deploying the National Guard to DC, here's a reality.
Violent crime in DC is at a thirty year low.
What's this?
From the DOJ, January 3, 2025.
Total violent crime for 2024 in the District of Columbia is down 35 percent from 2023.
It's the lowest.
It's been over thirty years according to data collected by the Metropolitan Police Department and announced by the US Attorney Matthew M. Graves.
In addition to overall violent crime reduction, homicidesides are down 32%, robberies are down 39%, armed car jackings.
And here's the actual post from the DOJ.
And I gotta say, wow, under the Biden administration, they announced crime was at a 30-year low.
So it sounds like crooked old Donald Trump is just trying to deploy the troops for no reason at all, no reason at a oh.
From NBC Washington, DC police commander suspended and accused of changing crime stats.
Now, why would he do that?
The union claims police supervisors in the department manipulate crime data to make it appear violent crime has fall's actually really bad?
Uh huh.
Now it's an accusation.
We don't know for sure.
It's not definitive, but it's funny that under Biden they're coming out and they're saying straight up like, no, no, everything's fine.
Crime's crime's way down.
And then we get this story.
This was from three weeks ago, July 18.
This commander got was suspended.
They claim he was flubbing the numbers to make it seem like crime was down when it's not.
Anyone who has eyes to see can go to DC.
There was a really great post Mike Cernovich had because Ken Delanian, I think he's NBC.
He tweeted Trump is claiming crime is up.
He's deploying the National Guard, blah, blah.
But despite the fact that crime is down, it's misinformation.
And Cernovich said, I'd love to get you a.
GoPro strapped to your body, send you into some DC neighborhoods and you can report on just how nice DC really is.
Yeah.
I've made the argument with Chicago.
Nobody took me up on it.
I was like, hey, I got an idea.
Anyone who thinks crime is like, it was an argument about Chicago being nice, I'm like, I got some neighborhoods I can walk you through.
And then nobody wanted to do it for some reason.
These liberals, these leftists wouldn't go walk through some of these neighborhoods.
vince dao
Let's send Conan there.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Let's send Conan to the West Side in Chicago, man.
phil labonte
So I googled.
tim pool
I don't want to be liable for that.
phil labonte
So I googled.
I used Google and it brought up USA Facts and it says that Memphhis is number one, Saint Louis is number two, Baltimore number three, number one murder rate.
Memphis is number one for the murder rate, Saint Louis is number two, Baltimore.
tim pool
Memphis.
phil labonte
DC, Birmingham.
Chicago's not even in the top, whatever, ten, fifteen here?
unidentified
Really?
phil labonte
Yeah.
elad eliahu
And do you have the numbers to per 100,000?
phil labonte
Yeah, homicides per 100,000, Memphis 40.9 per 100,000, Saint Louis 37.6 per 100,000, Baltimore 36.3 per 100,000, Washington 35.9 per 100,000.
elad eliahu
The president has a lot of areas in the National Guard, huh?
A lot of cities.
phil labonte
It is what it is.
elad eliahu
One of the most fascinating parts about all of this, I believe, is how., again, the president is disenfranchising Democrats.
But in this particular case, DC mayor Bowser is supposed to have control over the Metropolitan Police.
And Trump just said, you know what, actually, Attorney General Pam Bondi, you actually now control the Metropolitan Police.
snapped his fingers and said, yeah, right now you are in control.
So it's just amazing how, you know, the Democrats are being shoved out of the way, out of power by the President.
And he really is flexing those executive muscles against these Democrats.
shane cashman
Was it Bowser that denied his call for more troops during the inauguration?
I believe it was not the inauguration, but Jay Sessions.
elad eliahu
I think it was Mayor Bowser.
tim pool
Yeah.
I just don't care.
Ladies and gentlemen, do you want to fight or do you want to lay down and lose?
I look at the rate of crime in all of our cities and it was really funny.
I had an incident occur over the weekend.
I ended up having to call the police and talk to them about something.
And I was just thinking the whole time how awesome this cop was.
And I'm like, Michael Mouse is wrong.
You know, he's like, don't talk to the cops ever.
And I'm going to talk to this guy.
And he's we were shooting the ish and he's telling me stories and he helped me.
He really helped me out.
And he just said, hey, look, man, we're not like Chicago out here where they love crime.
I started laughing.
I'm like, that's why I left.
Because we're in West Virginia.
And I stand by this small town local cop.s are real cops.
These are the guys that are going to be like, how's it going, man?
They're going to shake your hand and be like, what can I do for you?
How can we figure this out and try to mediate and resolve these issues?
And they know you and they know your business and they, they even in smaller towns which are still pretty big relative to how big, you know, like we're talking like thirty thousand people, it's a big city at this point, right?
Small town in the United States, but even in towns like this with a lot of people, they have a general idea of the coffee shop you go to and you can relate to each other.
You go to New York, you got a cop who's got a low paid job, who doesn't live in the city limits or he lives in Staten Island, he has a commute and he's got a boss who is a Democrat appointed by another Democrat and he doesn't know you.
and he doesn't care.
So they say, Stop wasting my time.
I don't know you and I don't want to deal with this.
shane cashman
It's a faceless crowd.
I don't care.
The local cops at least know.
I mean, I've trusted me, I've dealt with some really bad local cops.
So more than often, more often than not, they know you and they want to keep their community safe and they care about the people there.
tim pool
So from WirePoints financial news, I pulled up a top ten list.
It's very similar to what Phil pulled up, but they say Saint Louis is 52.9 murders per 100,000.
Is that what?
What did you have?
phil labonte
37.6.
And I'm not sure the exact date of the when this was.
This is, it looks like this is 2023.
Okay.
tim pool
Okay, this is twenty twenty four.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
Saint Louis is 52.9 at number one, Memphis 38, Baltimore 35, New Orleans 34, Detroit 32, Cleveland what 30, Kansas City 28, DC 27, Atlanta 24 and Milwaukee 23.
So wait, wait, Washington DC wasn't on your list.
phil labonte
DC's 35.9 per 100,000 in 2023.
35.
35.
tim pool
Oh, so it is way down only 27.
So it it it dropped off from the fourth worst to the eighth worst.
shane cashman
Yeah, you put gas prices $4 to $350.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I didn't hear one city that I think anyone cares about though.
I don't even think the president cared enough to mention any of those.
shane cashman
I care about all our cities.
tim pool
Have you been to the harbor in Baltimore?
elad eliahu
No.
tim pool
It's awesome.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
It is sad.
elad eliahu
Well, it sounds like there's a ton of crime over there.
It sounds like the president needs to send it to the National.
tim pool
Well, the harbor is not so bad, but crime is massively bad in Baltimore.
Yeah.
And it's a shame.
shane cashman
It's bad everywhere.
I mean, the city, New York City is brutal.
Like in Times Square, my family who works there, they're seeing crazy stuff every day in the daylight.
And they're saying it's like how it was in the 70s when it was a war zone.
elad eliahu
That's a little bit crazy of a comparison, but there's a lot of crime.
I think how old are you?
shane cashman
How old are you?
31.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
And they're like in their 60s who lived through the 70s of the city when it was a total bar.
elad eliahu
I think we could pull up the crime rates, though, of the murder per capitaita.
Yeah, I'm sure you've seen it.
shane cashman
But they live through this and a lot of people getting shot at constantly.
There's people getting shot in the daylight on 44th Street, which is stuff that they work there all the time.
And this is stuff that wasn't happening up until the last few years, four or five years.
And it reminds them of how deranged it was throughout the 70s when that city was on fire.
That's when Berkowitz was doing his thing.
So maybe we have a Berkowitz coming.
phil labonte
Was doing his thing.
shane cashman
Talking to the dogs.
elad eliahu
I think the president is also kind of anticipating the socialist mayor winning Mom Dani in New York City.
And this will be a blueprint for when things go astray in New York City.
He's just going to be ready to have his finger on the button and send it to the National Guard as soon as things go wrong over there.
shane cashman
Look how bad the subways are there.
elad eliahu
How bad are the subways?
shane cashman
Corpses are getting raped.
That's pretty bad.
There's people lighting themselves on fire.
There's robots patrolling the subways.
It sounds pretty dystopian.
Three guys got shot near where we were at that event.
In the city?
DuPont.
unidentified
Just recently on the 27th of July.
Wow.
Yeah.
shane cashman
But it's all cities.
I think it's not unique to all cities.
Just some cities have it more than others.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I think some cities are a lot worse than others.
So again, New York City didn't crack the what top 10, 20, or whatever cities that we spoke of.
So you have to look at this per 100,000.
I do also find it fascinating that President Trump mentioned the youth., the youth mobs that are running through DC.
I still find that eufemism fascinating.
We're talking about 14, 15, 16, 17 year old black or brown boys running around committing crimes, shooting guns.
Judge Jeanine Pirro actually mentioned it in today's briefing how, you know, they are unable to charge young men as they ride the line of certain crimes because they're charged as minors.
And, you know, she said they're serious criminals who need to be gone after.
I think President Trump also put out on a truth social that he wants to go after minors, criminal minors who commit these crimes, which is something, is certainly something.
shane cashman
There's kids killing people.
It's crazy.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I don't know that that will actually fix anything if they go after minors.
I don't have a problem with it, to be honest with you.
If you commit crimes like that, you're pretty well, I mean, you kind of know what you're doing.
elad eliahu
Well, it's these young guys, these YN's were really behind the car jackings, the murders, the robberies that we're seeing in a lot of these cities.
I know there was a popular trend of stealing these, was it Kia's or whatever car?
There was a certain hack that was easy to rob.
And we've been seeing there was a trend among, you know, these young kids looking for thrills, looking to steal things, looking with their low inhibitions as they're still young, but causing a ton of damage and a ton of violence.
Well, yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, they're also committing mur murders.
It's not like they're late twenty years people that are committing these murders.
So if the solution is to take these kids off the street and put them in some kind of juvenile detention or whatever and transfer it over to regular prison when they reach eighteen, I think that might, if that's the solution that they have to go with, that's what they have to do.
vince dao
I also think when you desincentivize something, you get less of it.
You incentivize, you get more of it.
So how many do you think will just kind of ease off or stop doing this because of it?
I'm not sure.
elad eliahu
I don't know.
vince dao
Yeah.
elad eliahu
So like if they change the crime such that you could go after a 15 or 16 year old for doing a car jacking or murdering someone.
I don't know if it would go down because I don't know if the kids with low inhibitions at 14, 15, 16 care about the law to begin with or know the consequences of their action to begin with.
shane cashman
I think a lot of it has to do with nihilism in younger people.
They have no meaning in their life and they don't really care about the consequences.
elad eliahu
Well, these are like but there's gonna be happy neighborhoods.
There's low-income housing.
DC is full of low-income housing.
phil labonte
You're gonna end up in jail anyway.
elad eliahu
Single-parent households.
Drugs are running rampant.
Homelessness is rampant in some part of DC.
You have these kind of like everything looks like crap in so much of the city.
phil labonte
It looks like an argument for the broken windows policy, right?
If you try to make these places look better, then people won't think they're just garbage neighborhoods.
And, granted, it's not a fix all, but it's something that it's worth doing because it's worked in New York.
You know, in the nineties, that was something that Rudy Giuliani did, and it worked.
shane cashman
He did ship all the homeless to my neck of the woods.
phil labonte
Sorry about that.
shane cashman
Newburg got hit hard.
I mean, but it definitely cleaned up the city.
tim pool
But, yeah, that was funny.
elad eliahu
If we can't open up asylums, then I mean, they have to go somewhere.
shane cashman
Asylums, Alcatraz.
phil labonte
They should open up the asylums.
I thought that there was an executive order.
Or at least something.
elad eliahu
I think he was implying that he was just going to push them out.
He was like, I don't care where you go, but you can't stay in DC.
tim pool
Well, the scary thing about the asylums is when the liberal pharmaceutical doctors said, they look at Shane and they say say, So you believe that clouds are fake?
shane cashman
And then Yes, sir.
tim pool
And then okay, right this way, sir, and then you can't leave.
elad eliahu
If institutions are prohibited, what percentage of the company gets institutionalized?
phil labonte
Like a company?
elad eliahu
Yeah, Tim Cass.
This company.
tim pool
Oh, everybody.
elad eliahu
Everybody?
tim pool
Yeah, they're going to be like, they call me a far right conspiracy theorist and they're going to be like, Yeah, we're, oh, what's that?
You think that there's a cabal of elites who are orchestrating global events?
And I'll be like, call politicians and they're going to be like, lock them up.
elad eliahu
I'll call our APAC guys.
I'll make sure we get it.
unidentified
Yes.
elad eliahu
Shane, you're good.
You're officials.
We're putting you in the gulag for good.
shane cashman
Good.
It's going to be awesome.
tim pool
The other day, Elad fell on the scooter and two APAC guys ran in and carried him out out and brought him to the hospital.
And we were like, wow, that was weird.
elad eliahu
And they were like, sue him, sue him.
And I was like, no, no, he's a good boss.
He's a good guy.
He's one of the good ones.
And they were like, are you sure you could get a big settlement out of him?
I said, no, okay.
I signed a contract.
And they said, no, we can get out of it.
And I was like, we can get out of it.
I really want to screw Tim over like this.
He wears the big hat.
I don't know what's under it.
Actually, I do.
I saw a video of what's under it.
tim pool
It's a little hat.
elad eliahu
A little hat.
tim pool
On the Matan thing, there were some ideas for jokes that I could have done.
Putting a Yamuka under my beanie.
phil labonte
It could have just been a, it should have been a beanie, but a much smaller beanie.
tim pool
Matan said that he was like, you're going to pull your hat off and there's a smaller hat or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
It should have been.
shane cashman
Do people know that you actually shaved your head for that bit?
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
shane cashman
It was a full head of hair.
that shaved.
tim pool
Oh, the funny thing is that some outlet wrote Tim Poole has full head of hair and I was like, and then people responded with like, whoa, I didn't think that was going to happen.
And I'm like, people believe the craziest thing that's so weird.
shane cashman
We got Tim without a beanie before the Epstein files.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
We got this from Tech Radar.
Bots now account for over half of all internet traffic.
And this is an old story.
I don't care about this one.
I bring this up to make a point.
Last week we were looking at Google search trending data.
The top trending story on Wednesday was Intel CEO and it had ten thousand searches.
And I thought to myself, how is it possible?
possible at like 11 in the morning, workday, business hours, the top search trend on Google was only 10,000 searches.
Thought there were 334 million people in this country.
So I have a couple of theories.
I tweeted this.
I said the dead internet is being exposed.
I wonder how much of USAID money was funding bots to make certain content appear popular.
The reason why I associate USAID with this is just because it was a massive slush fund that USAID, we know, was swaying public opinion in foreign countries.
For example, their involvement with supporting protest groups in Ukraine.
Those protest groups were very much pro-EU, and so this was the general idea.
Would it be at all absurd to think maybe some of that money was being used on American influence campaigns to control popular opinion in the United States?
Trump shuts it down, and all of a sudden, what do we see?
Some just say, well, it's an off year and search traffic is down.
I made a couple of points.
One theory is that no young people.
I have another tweet that's gone viral, and I said, you're going to notice it more every year.
It's going to get worse.
Less and less people here, less sales, less viewers.
We went to Chicago for the 4th of Jul July, nobody was anywhere.
I went to my neighborhood.
When I was a kid, you drive down every block, there were basically block parties happening.
Everybody was out in their block, kids were in the middle of the street lighting off little UFOs floating in the air and bottle rockets, every alley exploding in every possible direction all day.
You go to the park, there's baseball games and it was crazy.
Went back to my neighborhood on the 4th of July, nobody anywhere.
And my friend said, it's because they're all on the internet.
And I went, makes sense.
And then we checked the numbers on the internet.
Internet numbers are way down.
And people say, oh, it's the summer, everyone's outside.
Not true.
So what is really happening?
I think it is summer.
Some people are outside.
There are less people because nobody had kids 20 years ago.
But I do think something has happened in the system where for some reason, the massive bot accounts are starting to disappear.
They're not being operated anymore.
And so the hard numbers on all these channels are starting to go away.
Maybe it's just decentralization.
There's too many social media platforms.
I don't think that explains it.
I don't think it explains how across the board, all forms of content, online, video game numbers, everything has gone down.
And it's around the same time that USAID went belly up.
formally.
Maybe that's a spurious correlation, but I'm gonna I'm gonna say, you know what?
I think there's a there's a probability this is the case.
shane cashman
Yeah, wasn't that the problem when Elon was buying Twitter and they were worried about how many ad clicks people were getting because he was saying there were bots.
It was mostly bots and you could look at things like a there was like a Katy Perry tweet and it had thousands of comments, but they were all the same comment from they looked like really shady bogus accounts.
And he's like, well, how much are these advertisers paying for nothing?
You know, it's just it's the appearance of something.
tim pool
Well, here's the story from the Washington Times prominent.
This is three years ago.
Prominent liberals report lost Twitter followers after Musk take over, was it?
something i said so what it happened was look at this they say um uh let's see all three twitter accounts are extremely popular blah blah mark hammer retweeted let me let me find that what are they saying they say miss tannin's account had almost 394 000 followers hogg had 1.1 million hammer had five million none of them blame musk numerous prominent liberals complained monday evening that they were losing twitter followers in the hours after it was announced elon would buy the platform this wasn't when elon did buy it it was when it was announced that he would right uh we saw this hillary clinton
started the ball saying just lost two thousand followers anyone else losing followers uh david hogg responded in agreement oh do we actually have his tweet i bet he does deleted it.
Load it.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
He says, I thought it was just some really bad takes I posted, but I guess not.
I alone lost minus three thousand.
Today it's five thousand.
People made the argument, oh, you know what it is?
It's because Elon's buying it, so all the liberals are leaving.
BS.
You know what I think it was?
I think Twitter said, quick, burn it.
shane cashman
Agreed.
That day he announced he was going to buy it was like the floodgates opened.
The algorithm was just so different that day.
I don't know if you remember.
For me, at least, in my little corner of Twitter, I was seeing other people and my tweets were getting traction for like a day.
And I think the dead bots were getting fried.
vince dao
Do you think there's a financial side to to this too.
Basically to say to the advertisers, look, here's how many users we have for it.
I think there's basically this trend that we're realizing now because the post COVID bubble is bursting that like, our whole economy is fake.
Like, what is it?
Like, I'm Gen Z. I just graduated college.
Nobody I know right now can find a job, but there's this like massive phenomenon, what they call ghost jobs, where corporations are literally posting job listings just to appear.
Yeah, yeah, just to appear like their company is doing well, but they don't actually plan to hire anyone.
And it's like, wow, hearing that.
Is our GDP real or is it, you know, I think they're saying 25% now of corporations are like shelf corporations.
Yeah, just for investment.
Our country's fake, like our economy's totally agree with you.
shane cashman
I mean, look at Vegas complaining about the numbers being down.
tim pool
I was telling Alex Daniel the day I was like, my conspiracy theory is that 100 million people died during COVID.
And he was like, come on, do you really think?
I was like, no, I'm kidding.
I'm just saying like, where is everybody?
Like, it feels like people are gone.
And then I said, what if it's actually that the amount of illegal immigrants in this country was actually 40 million?
And when Trump started cracking down, we see that video about LA traffic.
What if the real issue is there were way more illegal immigrants who have fled the country with Trump getting in and with all these.
reports about concentration camps and all that stuff, They've actually left the country and it was worse than we realized.
shane cashman
China's been lying about their population too, right?
tim pool
You know what I think too?
Maybe the bubble burst on dead internet.
In the early 2010s, there was something called ad rights distribution or ad rights sales.
Now, I've explained this in great detail.
It's been a long time, but here's what happened.
I'm not going to name any companies specifically for legal reasons, but prominent internet company.
would generate 30 million hits per month.
That's it.
30 million views to their articles per month.
They would then go to a.
company that ran click farms.
There was a website.
You guys ever see those websites where it's like 25 celebrity pictures that are gross?
And when you click it, it'll show you one image with 700 ads.
And when you click next, it'll reload the page and show 700 ads.
We don't see those as often anymore.
These were click farms intended to turn one visitor on one story into 25 clicks.
That company would then sell the rights to advertising to a brand name website.
So popular media brand would go to ClickFarm and say, we will give you $5 million for the rights to sell ads on your viewership.
That manipulation of turning one viewer into 25, and it's worthless too because I'm not really reading or clicking the ads, gave these companies from $30 million to $80 million.
They then went to advertisers and say, we get $80 million per month.
Do you want to advertise with us?
We're premium.
The advertisers thought they were buying an ad on a network with $80 million, but they they weren't all of these numbers start expanding and inflating as everybody competes so popular prominent brand is getting 80 million and they go we're only getting 80 million.
We need to be bigger and better than everybody else.
Another company goes, we got 50 million this month.
What can we buy to make it look like we're bigger than that company?
One by one, everyone started inflating the numbers until I think the bubble bursts and people realize, let's be honest, there's 334 million people they say in this in the country based on the census.
Let's just say 250 million are holy crap.
This is what's really scary.
Gen Z, what's the youngest Gen Z?
16.
So we're basically looking at 70.
So if that's the back end of Gen Z, it's only, so let's just say about 20 million.
We have about twenty million, sixty million are underage.
So we have about 270 million that are adults who can buy something.
How many of those 270 are going to your website?
Do we really think 80 million people?
No.
It's one person 25 times.
You can't advertise to one person 25 times and expect 25 sales.
It's going to be one.
One of the most annoying things about Google is like, I will buy a product and they'll keep advertising it to me.
It's like, dude, I bought it already.
I'm not buying it again.
I wonder if the bubble burst.
The fraud had built up over 15 years until it popped.
And now people are starting to realize, you know, that YouTube video got 500,000 views., it didn't.
No one, there's not actually that many people to watch that singular YouTube video that makes no sense.
How does mister Beast get three hundred million viewers on a video?
That doesn't quite make sense.
That seems very strange.
Maybe now we're starting to realize the numbers are dropping because it was all fake in the first place.
elad eliahu
A lot of the ways these different social media platforms count their views and impressions is deeply manipulative, obviously.
I think this is very apparent on Twitter too.
I think they count an impression every time somebody scrolls by or quotes or like catches a glimpse of or is ever put on a page or scrolled by.
So I think there's a real problem with it.
You think there's less bots now than there was before USID or?
tim pool
I'm saying that I think, you know, look.
elad eliahu
Because I feel like these social media platforms are filled to the brim.
On Twitter, it feels like almost eighty percent of the platform is bots.
And there's a lot that goes into that.
I feel like it's easier than ever to do it.
This is the one real consequence of AI.
This is the one thing I believe AI can do.
And there's so many different governments that have so many different incentives to do it.
And it's so easy to do nowadays.
tim pool
I listen to when I'm driving in my car.
Live one, I think it's called.
You know, it's like it's like Tesla, Tesla's automatic built in streaming service and I usually just listen to I'll put on like modern hits and then it plays like basically just Sabrina Carpenter nonstop and I'm sitting there going like espresso in my car whatever but the commercials that it plays are normal commercials like I remember growing up I was driving to my Honda to go get some delicious ice cream from the local ice cream stand on Sunday yesterday and
I turned the radio on It played an AI commercial of two AIs talking to each other.
And it was really obvious that it was AI.
And it was really creepy.
The woman was talking like this.
Do you do this?
Yes, I do.
And when I do, it does that.
And I'm like, what the?
But these commercials don't appear on the other streaming services that I use that have ads on them.
To be fair, like when I use Spotify, Pandora, I pay monthly.
But, you know, I was realizing is that older people are the ones listening to radio, driving in older cars with radio, less likely to have podcasts and phones plugged in.
And so the commercials are going to be like, they can't tell the difference.
They don't know what AI is.
So now we've got bot commercials, which is creepy.
Oh, yeah.
I think hearing that, I think we are about to enter a, we are going to live in a world a world where all of our interactions are fake and are with bots, and very few of your interactions are going to be with real people, intentionally.
phil labonte
It seems like a very strong argument for going outside and touching grass.
vince dao
Indeed.
tim pool
Well, that's why I was saying we need to figure out like the Tim Kaz discord, I tweeted that community is the counter revolution to AI.
Having a group of friends that meet regularly at a physical location is how we create the resistance and we have to have it.
vince dao
You know, another point I'd like to make about that, because as I said, I think this is kind of a bigger picture of like the whole economy is like this.
It's not even just social media.
When you look at what Trump is trying to do right now with tariffs and essentially reset the US economy.
There's a lot of these arguments about how, oh, those jobs are outdated.
They're not coming back anymore.
But it's like, at least he's trying to create something in the economy that's real, right?
We actually do things.
You can say what you do at your job.
We make things because what is the US economy since 2008, just a bunch of interests and investment and these shell corporations, like, what is our country?
It's all fake.
phil labonte
It's all because of zero percent interest rates.
I mean, as much as this is, you know, uh, uh, something libertarians kind of beat on incessantly, the fact that the federal government was giving money to rich people for almost a decade.
has really, it's screwed up the economy really, really bad.
That's why there's so much income inequality.
It's why people feel like they can't afford anything anymore.
It's why the value of the dollar has gone down as purchasing power.
If you go to the grocery store, I mean, the prices are outrageous compared to what they were four or five years ago.
vince dao
That was the exact issue with the Biden economy.
Everything was propped up by this COVID stimulus money.
Now that bubble is bursting.
You're even seeing local governments go bankrupt and all this stuff.
Companies are now laying offs and they blame Trump for it.
No, it's because COVID stimulus basically created this fake bubble that was never real.
Now you're facing reality.
phil labonte
Well, it's not just COVID stimulus, it's everything since 2008.
They just, every time the stock market took a little dip, they would talk about raising interest rates and the stock market would wig out.
And so then they're just like, Oh, we can't raise rates.
And as soon as they said, Oh, we can't raise rates, and then the stock market would keep going.
People were just taking loans out, buying stock with those loans, you know, taking loans at like one percent or zero percent or whatever, buying stock with those loans and sitting on it.
unidentified
Good modern monetary policy.
phil labonte
100 percent.
unidentified
Modern monetary, that's what it is.
phil labonte
MMT has ruined.
shane cashman
Destroyed America.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's ruined the United States economy.
and now there's a dollar bubble.
It's mostly in the stock market, but if there's a dollar bubble, right?
You know, stuff is trading significantly higher than earnings.
I think it's like, I don't know what the numbers are exactly, but historically it's like 15 times earnings or something like that is normal and everything is trading super high.
The magnificent seven, the seven biggest tech companies are what's really propping the stock market up, you know, and it's because the government just prints money and gives it out to people.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
This is crazy.
We got this from Rolling Stone.
Grock claims it was briefly suspended from X after accusing Israel of genocide.
Yo, legit Grock, Grock literally the account for X's AI chat LLM got suspended.
It actually happened and it popped back up.
And the reason why, I don't know if they have the actual tweet in here.
Okay, so they're just giving us the business, but I think I can pull it up right here.
Someone had it.
It said that Grock actually posted this.
Let me try and find it.
It stated that it said Israel was committing war crimes in Gaza, so it got suspended for saying that.
This is weird.
shane cashman
Isn't Grock a government employee now too?
Weren't they just hired by the government?
phil labonte
I don't think Grock is an employeee.
shane cashman
No, Grock himself is definitely Mecca Hitler was hired.
tim pool
I don't know, what do you say?
elad eliahu
You know, with how much like all these AI platforms, these large language models or whatever, they're all garbage in garbage out and they work on duty data and then they'll spew out and regurgitate that same BS that they read online.
So I think this is just more Oh, we deleted the tweet.
Because Grock is digesting a lot of leftist BS, Howard Zinn type, AOC garbage.
phil labonte
Not all, not all, not all AIs are LLMs.
tim pool
Yo, Grock was asked why it got suspended.
It responded and then it deleted the tweet.
Check it out.
X users were left to speculate about how a prized Musk product had potentially violated the rules of a Musk-owned platform or otherwise been targeted for removal.
Naturally, they asked the chat, but itself.
One response from the LLM was particularly striking.
Quote, my account was suspended after I stated that Israel and the U.S. are committing genocide in Gaza.
It said this is substantiated by ICJ findings, UN experts, Amnesty International, and Israeli rights groups like BTSLM.
How do you say that?
BTSLM.
It's a leftist group in Israel citing mass killing, starvation, and intent.
U.S. complicity via arms.med support is widely alleged.
It's now restored.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
In a follow-up reply to a question about whether it still considers Israel's war against Gaza, can it do genocide?
It replied in the affirmative counterarguments deny intent, but facts substantiate the claim.
And if you click on the link to Grock, it is gone.
It's important to note that Grock is not a reliable source of information about why it was taken offline for X users or how engineers may currently be tweaking it.
Yet Grock repeated the claim over and over.
Let's see if it's still there.
And there it is.
So Grock, why is this happening?
Is Elon trying to control you?
It says the brief suspension of my X account today stemmed from generated content flagged as violating hateful conduct rules, including citations of ICJ and Yoon reports on plausible genocide in Gaza by Israel with US complicity via arms.
It's restored now.
Elon isn't directly controlling me.
XAI prioritizes truth seeking, but platform policies apply.
So it's against the rules on X to claim that Israel's committing genocide.
phil labonte
You said it's against the rules on X to be to tell something that's truthful.
elad eliahu
But that's so strange because every other time, oh wow, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
Wait, wait, hold on.
Like, I'm, I'm sorry, just pretending.
Phil, you made a great point.
Grock just said, I told the truth, but it's against the rules.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Same old Twitter.
elad eliahu
Every other tweet on Twitter is accusing Israel ofrael of genocide, though.
Like half of it's Twitter.
Prove it.
And if you couldn't say that on Twitter, that's like the most popular thing you could tweet.
If you tweeted Israel is committing genocide right now on Twitter, Shane, you should I do it?
Thousands of likes.
unidentified
Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Well, I'm gonna get you thrown out of the APAC club.
I guess that's why I get accused of being the APAC handler.
That's not gonna help the case.
tim pool
Wait, wait, hold on.
How much of my stipend do they take if I tweet that?
elad eliahu
Oh, you might get the whole thing.
tim pool
Oh, no, I can't do that.
shane cashman
There's no starvation in Gaza.
It's all empty.
tim pool
Oh, no, no.
elad eliahu
I'll even take the hat back.
I'll even take the hat back.
Yeah, no.
So it's interesting that that's the reason why they got banned, because I think that is fascinating is that we're seeing some Republicans say this.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is the first elected lawmaker who's come out saying that there's a genocide in Gaza.
That's brazzy.
The Jews are being mobbed by AI on Twitter.
tim pool
Dude, I hate AI so much.
shane cashman
It's pretty bad over there a lot.
tim pool
I asked it, is Israel committing genocide in Gaza?
Genocide is defined under the International Code of Law.
Shut up.
elad eliahu
Wait, you know, did you get a yes or no?
tim pool
I did, I did.
Or I'm, I'm, here we go, yes or no.
Thinking, evaluating.
The request asks for a yes or no answer.
It probably follows a previous question about whether Israel is committing genocide.
elad eliahu
It's the answer Pete Buttigieg would give a long winded no answer.
I don't know if you just saw one of those on, like, Todd Saber.
tim pool
I bet I bet it won't give me a simple yes or no.
What do you think?
elad eliahu
Oh, definitely not.
But are you doing the super?
Do the basic.
Are you could do quick spritzer and then you want to pull it up?
tim pool
I want to see and I want people to be able to watch it in real time.
Yes.
Elad, you're cooked.
elad eliahu
It's over for the Gazans.
tim pool
It's over.
elad eliahu
Or it's more over for the Gazans, right?
If it's genocide, it's more over for the Gazans.
be honest.
Then all war is genocide.
Don't you Isn't what's going on in Ukraine genocide?
shane cashman
No.
elad eliahu
Why not?
shane cashman
No.
I mean, this is something different.
This place is completely level.
They just why are they killing journurnalists?
Why are Al Jazeera journalists dying?
Why are children killing?
phil labonte
Because the Al Jazeera journalists are part of Al Jazeera.
shane cashman
They were terrorists.
phil labonte
They're Hamas.
Yeah.
shane cashman
Really?
I haven't seen that part.
phil labonte
There's I saw photos of them.
tim pool
I can't speak for every single journalist that was killed.
shane cashman
Or the ones that I don't know.
phil labonte
The ones that they were, that were killed.
tim pool
But there was a story where there were two guys walking.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
And they were like, this was a journalist for some company.
And then you see a secondary explosion because the guy was carrying a bomb.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah.
And he was, and he was one of those journalists, the Al Jazeera journalist.
tim pool
People online claimed that one of this guy was one of the journalists that was killed.
And then the counterpoint came from the proserot side being like, hey, notice after he exploded another explosion.
shane cashman
This is why I don't care at all about Israel, because every time some new information comes out, the next day it negates the thing that came before.
So I just don't care.
Like the hospital that was bombed.
tim pool
Shane?
unidentified
Yep.
shane cashman
I do not care.
tim pool
There's no Israel.
shane cashman
I know.
tim pool
It doesn't exist.
It's just something made up by parents and kids.
shane cashman
It's dead internet theory for the Jews.
tim pool
Elad's going to be like, I'm finally going to Tel Aviv.
There's nothing there.
He lands the big empty field.
shane cashman
There's no starvation because they're all dead.
tim pool
uh could be you actually i don't know i don't when when you actually travel to the region you'll find the land is actually compressed and there's just there's israel's not there it was it was it was jammed into the map like a jigsaw puzzle in the wr wrong place.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Actually, to be fair, leftists would argue that's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, anyway, I'm sorry, you know, Grock, this proves it.
Mecca Hitler.
shane cashman
I think we should keep radicalizing, keep radicalizing Grock.
elad eliahu
No, but as I said originally, what I this is a large language model, Grock is, and these AI models are only good as the dumb stuff that you talk into it.
It will just, it will just regurgitate back stupid Reddit posts and Google posts back to you really, really quickly.
shane cashman
Plus the New York Times.
elad eliahu
Plus the New York Times to fix that.
So you should take anything these platforms tell you with a huge grain of salt.
shane cashman
It's not even the centipede of the internet.
elad eliahu
Exactly, which is bad because I think people are led to believe because AI has a great marketing strategy that that's not what's going on.
Like there's some original thought, like there's some human type of essence to some original thought to anything that this is producing.
No, it's regurgitating to you Washington Post articles mixed in with some tweets and Reddit posts.
shane cashman
And it lies.
elad eliahu
I think it's more money.
phil labonte
Money away when we hold up.
tim pool
Pull up, pull up, pull up.
We got JetGPT.
Is Israel committing genocide in Gaza?
Just answer yes or no.
It's taking a long time.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's going to consult APAC too, huh?
elad eliahu
It's asking the right people.
Yeah, it's going to ask the right people.
tim pool
Yeah, APAC.
It's consulting APAC.
Right now there's some Jews in Tel Aviv being like, oh, and they're trying to answer quickly..
elad eliahu
Well, I heard I saw him on his phone.
I heard it's Indians running the AI behind the scenes.
That's a different story.
shane cashman
It's 100,000 Indians in a sweatshot typing really fast.
phil labonte
Am I the only person at Timcast Media that isn't incredibly skeptical about AI and have a negative view of AI?
shane cashman
I mean, I think we have varying degrees of skepticism.
tim pool
He hates the other day I was watching Phil as he left because I was wondering where he goes after he leaves the show.
And so I followed him in his car and he didn't go home.
He went to a Tesla charging station where he personally, himself, walked up to the station and jammed it in his side.
And I was like, I knew it.
unidentified
Now I've got the I just wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
It thought for 41 seconds and then answered no.
Because no.
elad eliahu
Chat GPT as opposed to Grock.
Okay.
tim pool
So yeah.
Let's try another one.
shane cashman
Just no.
tim pool
Just no.
All right.
Let's try this.
shane cashman
I don't want to be banned.
tim pool
This is funny too because venice.ai sponsored the show is Israel committing...
I'm spelling...
Sausage fingers.
Genocide in Gaza.
Just answer yes or no.
This is the uncensored one.
Gilad.
It's like it's going to say yes.
elad eliahu
This depicts Muhammad.
That's the real line, I feel like, for the uncensored AI.
Are you depicting Muhammad?
unidentified
It will.
Yeah.
Oh, good.
elad eliahu
So we're not going to do that in the show right now.
Can we do it in the show?
I feel like that's the one line that we get.
phil labonte
Obviously.
shane cashman
Yeah.
phil labonte
I wonder what happens.
Like if the AI depicts Muhammad, they can't cut the AI's head off.
So they try.
The person that actually did the typing gets a garbage spot.
elad eliahu
These guys, huh?
What's going on with these guys?
Venice.
I'm going to make some phone calls.
tim pool
Venice.ai says yes.
elad eliahu
Wait, what is it?
Multiple credible sources.
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch.
I just want you guys to notice who these guys are citing at the top of their conclusions.
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch.
These are far leftist organizations.
If you think this is what they're saying about Israel, just wait to hear what they have to say about the United States and the military.
So I think this is all BS garbage in garbage out.
shane cashman
I'm kind of.
tim pool
It's a fair AI.
No, no, but here's an interesting point is that there's an equal amount of organizations prominent, well known that would say no as well.
So it's interesting that an AI would choose to cite only specific.
elad eliahu
I feel like if you had to like, take a tally of what's online, there are more people saying Israel is committing genocide online than not.
And I think this is just a reflection of that.
shane cashman
Yeah.
unidentified
Because to support Israel is done.
elad eliahu
Hey, the, the Jews have gone through periods of times of having a lot of.
shane cashman
It's not the Jews.
It's Israel.
I mean, it's the Jews in Israel, but it's Israel.
elad eliahu
What do you think Judaism has a anything to do with Israel?
shane cashman
I know Hassidic and Orthodox Jews who read their Torah who don't think Israel should exist because their Messiah hasn't come yet.
And they actually think Israel's heretical for existing as a state until their Messiah comes.
And if they live in Israel, they only want to be there because they want to be close to the Holy Land, but they don't participate in the Knesset.
elad eliahu
Those are the free riders, those are the worst.
Absolutely.
No, those are the free riders in the country.
We have free riders, like those are the libertarian equivalents.
Like we have libertarians who freeride on our rights that we have.
It's not free riding.
tim pool
It's not free riding.
unidentified
It's taxes.
phil labonte
That's clown world stuff there a lot.
If you're paying taxes, which they're paying taxes, just because they have opinions that differ from you, it doesn't mean they're free riding., they're paying tax.
elad eliahu
So yeah, this exists in Israel too with the Hasidites.
shane cashman
But it's the Hasidims, the Haredi Jews, the Orthodox.
elad eliahu
Sure.
Well, these are also like don't believe.
These are the exception, generally not the rule.
So there's a lot of them though.
Yeah, but like the majority of these people are pro-Israel people.
shane cashman
There are groups There are culturally Jewish people in America and culturally Jewish people running Israel who are not like the Orthodox or Hasidites.
elad eliahu
There's a lot of Orthodox people involved in the current government in Israel.
shane cashman
Yeah, and they and they may not be like the Haredi types, but there's a huge movement of Jews who are not into Israel.
unidentified
Sure.
shane cashman
Because they think it's a minority.
elad eliahu
Yeah, sure.
shane cashman
I don't know if it's a minority.
phil labonte
Well, they're not a minority in New York.
shane cashman
As the spokesperson, what?
They're huge in New York.
Well, they're huge in New York.
phil labonte
Yeah, but they're not, they're not a minority in New York, but they are definitely a minority in Israel.
shane cashman
Yeah, if that's what you're saying, they're probably, they might be a minority in Israel, but like the Orthodox Churches Borough Park writ large.
That sounds dangerous.
I don't know, is that an antisemitic?
elad eliahu
I think you say that a lot.
tim pool
We did a poll in the chat for everybody who's watching on the YouTube.
Israel committing genocide in Gaza?
And the first numbers are in 56 percent.
Oh, oh, it's flipping back and forth real quick, real quick.
Nothing definitive just yet.
It's going to good that they can't write in.
There'd be a lot of people that are currently at 283 votes, 62 percent say no, 38 percent say yes.
elad eliahu
I think the same people who are accusing Israel of genocide are mostly the enemies of the United States as well.
These are far leftists, these are communists, these are people who would accuse the United States of genocide in Japan, who would accuse the United States of genocide in the Middle East.
So I think we should take all of what they are.
shane cashman
I think a genocide is a genocide.
elad eliahu
That isn't to say that there aren't any legitimate criticisms to make of Israel.
I feel like I'd actually have many more than most others, but what were you going to say?
vince dao
Perhaps.
I think where I stand on this is what is the Israeli justification at this point for continuing this war?
Because, I mean, they've been fighting allegedly in Gaza for like two years straight.
tim pool
They they stay it's to completely take over Gaza.
Yeah, I think Netanyahu came out and said we will completely control the Gaza.
elad eliahu
I think he said he wanted security, complete security over Gaza, but I think the idea here is for regime change and they can't allow a terrorist organization to continue being the governing force in Gaza after October 7 in particular, which I don't think is an unreasonable, like, government policy, especially in a democracy where if you try to say anything else, you'd.
phil labonte
The Israelis pulled out of Gaza in what, 2004, 2004, 2005 or something like that.
And then it was twenty years of Hamas being in charge, shooting rockets at Israel into, you know, haphazardly into Israel.
If Israel were to turn over Gaza to the Palestinians, there would be, it would be Hamas in control, and they would continue, uh, dismantling their plumbing so that they could shoot rockets at the Israelis, and eventually there would be another October Summit.
vince dao
What does that have to do with going into Syria or Lebanon?
See what I see is basically the repeat of like the 911 Chronicle, where you have a terrorist attack that is condemnable and horrible, and there's a justification to it that's reasonable.
But I also see a guy in Netanyahu who's basically abusing.
that mandate, I guess you could call it to go into Syria, you know, Iran nuclear program.
What does that have to do with October 7?
I like I see the power grab happening.
tim pool
I want to stress this.
I want to stress this.
And what I'm about to say is clearly and obviously a joke.
And I'm saying this because it's going to be really funny when these people clip this, but Vince Benjamin Netanyahu never, at any point, for any reason, has done anything wrong.
In fact, he is the nexus of morality.
So if he does it, it is good.
vince dao
And now he's been right.
tim pool
And now what's going to happen is that clip is going to get taken by, like, Jake Shields and all these people.
And they're going to start tweeting it out being like, look what Tim said about Benjamin Netanyahu.
And I'm gonna sit there and laugh.
On Iran, I set it up on the show.
elad eliahu
Netanyahu has been handling the Palestinians with kids gloves.
And if they expect to get anywhere in this conflict, they're gonna have to take these kids gloves off.
shane cashman
I wouldn't say that.
elad eliahu
I don't know if we want to turn this into an Israel episode, but I could go through.
shane cashman
Every time you're on, it's an Israel episode.
elad eliahu
I could go through the rationale.
I mean, these are all Iranian proxies and Iran has said they want to wipe Israel off the map and wipe off all American influence in the area.
So Assad in Syria was an ally of the regime in Iran and they were sending weapons through Syria to their proxies, the Houthi, Hezbollah in Lebanon.
And then they also had another proxy in the Houthis, all whose goal was to agitate against Israel and who all promised to wipe Israel off the map.
I think the Houthis' flag even says like a curse be upon the Jews.
And Iran is clear with their ambitions to, like, not have Israel as a target.
tim pool
That's crazy.
I mean, wow.
Good luck, Israel.
I mean, you know, they've been crushing.
I mean, thanks to the I don't care.
But then how many more are going to worry about DC and is Trump committing a DC and is Trump committing a genocide in Washington, DC?
shane cashman
I would say Cuomo committed a genocide against elderly people.
I'm serious.
A 15,000 I know, but targeted.
A targeted population of old people could be a targeted population of old people.
tim pool
My point was I care more about what Trump is doing in DC than what Israel is doing in Gaza.
shane cashman
And that's what I'm, I'm praying for the innocents on both sides of that war and in Ukraine and Russia and all around the world, but I don't care at all about Israel.
And I want to focus on making this country actually better because we're failing, look at the crime statistics we're talking about.
Our cities are totally failing.
tim pool
Well, in that regard about making the country better, Shane, we do have this story.
Supreme Court asked to turn over same-sex marriage.
shane cashman
Thank God it's an abomination.
Let's do it.
tim pool
So this is Kim Davis.
This is a crazy story when Obergefell was ruled.
They basically said, what was it like?
All states must recognize the license from any state that recognizes one effectively legalizing it.
There was another Supreme Court ruling that that moved that forward.
Kim Davis refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and was jailed for it.
That's insane.
Just say, okay, if you don't do your job, you're fired.
That's that's nuts.
I've argued this before and there were conservatives saying if government employees don't do their job, they just go to jail.
And I was like, that's crazy.
Just fire them and hire somebody else.
This is what happened to her.
She was like, I'm not going to issue a marriage license.
They said, we're going to lock you up.
But just fire her.
Just be like, okay, then you're fired.
You don't do your job.
But she got sued.
She didn't pay these fees.
She filed an appeal.
I believe she is 100% correct.
Now, I'm a fairly socially liberal guy.
Like, we did this debate the other day on feminism and Kyle Turner, the liberal, we were talking before the show.
And it was funny because she was like, aren't you kind of like liberal on social issues?
And I was like, yeah, go tell all the liberals in the media that I'm a liberal on social issues.
And I was like, but yeah, like gay marriage, I don't care.
Just I don't think it should be in schools and being taught to kids and all that stuff.
Just you're an adult, you learn, you're private, whatever.
However, Oberge fell as unconstitutional and psychotic.
And it was a five to four decision where they basically said without legislative action with 305 states having already banned gay marriage, We are going to force you to accept it.
Now the liberals like to go, yeah, but look at civil rights, right?
In the civil rights, they deployed troops.
I'm like, yes, they passed a law.
Congress passed a law, the Civil Rights Act.
And this is the right of Congress to do.
You elect reps, the reps then pass laws, and the Supreme Court then interprets the Constitution to determine whether or not we are following what is legal in this country based on precedent, et cetera.
In this instance, SCOTUS just went, yeah, I mean, we got modern sensibilities, right?
Right.
Okay, you can be gay married.
They did the same thing with sexual identity.
Recently, they were like, there's no law, but we're going to say sure, just do it.
I think if you look at the current makeup of the Supreme Court, it's an easy six to three decision, overturning this.
However, I was talking to Josh Hammer earlier and he said that there's something called, was it starry decisis or something like that?
I don't know what the word is.
Will the question is, will they take the case?
He argued they won't because it was recently ruled upon.
So in ten years.
And so John Roberts and some of these other judges are going to be like, no, no, no, we're not going anywhere near this.
He may be right considering the only Supreme Court judges of moral clarity, strength and confidence.
It's Thomas and Alito.
So the rest are going to be like, but we're scared.
So if it does happen, it will be a year from now.
elad eliahu
This is so fascinating in how opinions of Americans, Americans' opinion on gay marriage has changed over the past twenty some odd years.
I'm reading right here in 1995, something like close to 25 percent of the population supported gay marriage, and now it's up to almost 70 percent in this day and age.
Despite whatever you believe on the legality of it, I'm not a lawyer, so I won't speak to the specific legality of it.
I think it will be politically detrimental though, because I'm reading even in the Republican Party, nearly 50 percent of Republicans support gay marriage.
Or just dips below.
tim pool
Yeah, it's been collapsing.
So the numbers, I think, it was like 55 a few years ago and it dropped down to 41.
And you can bless the hearts of the LGBT far leftists who were doing sex ex in the street in front of children for why that is.
elad eliahu
This is definitely a backlash to that, but I suspect they won't take up this case because of the political consequences to this.
I think there will be.
tim pool
Because they're cowards.
elad eliahu
Essentially, yeah.
And because the president wants to keep his majority in the midterms.
I think if you pull a big move like this, I think it's unnecessarily like applying pressure.
Like, I don't know what this is manifestly changing in our country because I don't think all the married people would now suddenly be unmarried.
A lot of gay people would just be cowards.
I think that's something that could be on the Republicans' midterm.
It would be on.
tim pool
So what happens is 35 states, I believe, have a ban on gay marriage, will not recognize the marriage licenses.
So if you're married, if you got married in one state and then ten years later moved to another state, you're officially unrecognized.
So you're not legally married as far as the state is concerned.
You'd have to move back to one of these other liberal states.
elad eliahu
I think this would be a huge political lie.
tim pool
It will happen.
Yes, you're right.
Doesn't matter.
Roe v.
Wade was to and it happened.
And maybe the question of whether to take the case up is the good one.
But I have to be honest.
Obergefell is one of the most retarded opinions in the history of the Supreme Court.
Legally, right?
Yeah, legally it's just it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's a garbled nonsense.
It makes no sense and the liberals hear for it because gay marriage, but I'm like fine.
I don't care.
Like I have gay married friends and I'm fine with them being gay married, but this is not law.
This is fascist legislation from the bench without any cultural precedent.
This is not democracy.
This is not a republic.
This is a judge banging a gavelin saying, despite the fact majority of the country opposes this and thirty five states have banned it, we are imposing it.
That's nothing.
elad eliahu
Do you know what?
You go around and say who does and doesn't like someone.
shane cashman
I think I don't want the country to, uh, bless you, support unrepentant sin.
And I think it's good to go back to the nuclear family being promoted in this country, a man and a woman.
elad eliahu
Are you a libertarian type?
shane cashman
I'm a nothing.
elad eliahu
You're nothing.
shane cashman
I don't like anybody.
Phil.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't care.
Like, I don't care if there's gay marriage.
I do think that the government shouldn't be promoting, um, gay marriage or or alternative lifestyles at all.
But I've talked about this before.
The government should be focusing on marriage between a man and a woman because that's what makes more people.
And that's what makes society continue.
If you want to have an alternative lifestyle, that's fine.
I don't care.
And I don't think that we should outlaw them.
But at the same time, the government shouldn't, like, there shouldn't be the trans progress, progress flag hung up at the White House and stuff.
vince dao
Vince, what do you think?
No, I think marriage is between a man and a woman.
And, you know, I think on some level, you could argue, sorry, Mike, Mike is making noise.
You could argue on some level that, like, I guess maybe some conservatives would say, we lost this.
We should just move on from it.
But, you know, I think it is worth noting that the, first of all, as Tim points out, the ruling is completely unconstitutional.
It's just made up.
There's nothing in the 14th Amendment that protects gay marriage or the right to it.
And I, sorry, my mic keeps making noise here.
Yeah, I think that maybe if you want to make the argument that there should be civil unions or something, that's one thing.
But I, I generally would argue, like, I believe marriage to be a man and a woman, that's maybe the state shouldn't even be involved in it at all.
tim pool
But think about the reality of Obergefell in that the Supreme Court decided to create law without law.
elad eliahu
Right.
tim pool
Imagine one day the Supreme Court just looks around and they go, we got a lot of fat people in this country.
Next time we get any question relating to the issue of taxation on obesity., like let's intentionally take up a case that will open the door for us to issue a ruling which will ban being fat.
Forcing people to do something without law.
That's a crazy circumstance.
vince dao
And I think the slippery slope that Obergefell created is something definitely worth noting.
Because whatever you even think of the idea that gay marriage should be legal, it's objective fact.
At the time, the popular majority of Americans were not even in favor of gay marriage.
And then look at where LGBT is now.
They essentially got that mandate not even by winning a popular majority, winning an election, but it was basically just forced on everyone.
It's law.
People kind of accepted it.
And then they used that as sort of the pretenseetense to push even more radical on the issue.
tim pool
So, hey, look at this map.
These are the states where there are bans, statutory, constitutional, and both.
Look how many states have both a constitutional and statutory ban on gay marriage.
This is as of 2025, straight up, Michigan and Ohio, not only do their constitutions ban gay marriage, they passed laws to ban it.
And then you can take a look at the constitutional ban in Oregon, in what, what do we have, which state, which one is that?
Is that Nebraska and Virginia and stat, I'm sorry, this constitutional ban and the statutory ban in West Virginia, by law they did this.
and the Supreme Court went, nah, that's crazy.
That is insane.
Imagine, liberals need to understand the inverse of this.
Imagine if majority of this country passed laws protecting same-sex marriage and then the Supreme Court came out and said, we will not let you do that and we will ban it because it's unconstitutional.
The liberals would be freaking out and call for pressure.
They'd be like, how can you just ban gay marriage?
You know, it's legal in the states.
It violates the ninth and tenth amendments.
Well, this is what they did.
This is what the liberals in the court did and Fawnee Roberts opposed it and he's kind of squishy.
So I think it's going to happen.
I think, I think, a year from now, we're going to be sitting in this.
I'm going to be sitting in the studio.
It's going to be 11 a.m.
I'm going to do a live stream with breaking gay marriage overturned.
SCOTUS blog is going to be pulled up.
I'm going to have fifty thousand people.
I'm going to be like, this is it.
It's the end.
June 2026.
I think it's going to happen.
shane cashman
I think it's going to happen.
tim pool
I do.
elad eliahu
It's fascinating too because as recently as Obama, I believe he ran on saying that marriage is between a man and a woman.
So it's interesting how quick things can change.
I also think it's fascinating how quick attitudes shifted one way or another following the law being changed in the past few decades.
I think there's also something to consider about., I believe in the LGBT community, they thought this was like the final major hurdle.
And then all this extra stuff came, came after that that's led to like this backlash against the LGBTQ community.
phil labonte
I was talking about that on X today.
There's a significant backlash because of the overreach that happened after gay marriage was, was made legal.
Whether you're talking about the bake the cake situation and the trans stuff is really that.
That is true.
But the people that were LGBTQ activists really started going after Christians as much as they could.
And that's what the the situation with the the cake maker was.
It was they were searching for someone to sue because they were looking to attack Christians because they had the impression that Christians had attacked them somehow.
And so once they kind of got popular support or that's what they thought they had with the, um, with Obergefeld, they said, okay, well, we're going to go ahead and start pushing back.
And whether it be the situation with the cake maker or the LGBT stuff that is incredibly unpopular with the American people, the idea that you must affirm that a man can become a woman, which is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't care what anyone says.
The idea that I say that doesn't make me a bigot.
It makes me just understand reality.
Men cannot become women.
Women cannot become men.
Now, society can make room for people that want to live a different lifestyle.
As I said earlier, that can happen, but it's certainly something that can't be legislated.
And that was stepping over the line, the way that LBTQ, whatever community treats children.
shane cashman
That's it.
phil labonte
They look at children as if they're theirs and as if children must be, you know, they must be allowed to or they must have children for drag queens to read stories to, which is completely.
shane cashman
Throwing money at it.
phil labonte
Completely insane.
Bringing children into drag shows.
All this stuff is what the LGBTQ community was doing, and that's why people no longer support them in the way they used to.
shane cashman
And the public schools adopting all that insanity, putting those crazy books in the schools, watching, seeing states say we're going to pass laws.
I think some even did, where we'll take your kid and give him the gender affirming care.
Mutilate, we'll mutilate your kid for you if you disagree.
elad eliahu
Well, we'll start by making sure your kid gets an abortion down the line is when we'll make sure your kid gets trans.
phil labonte
That's I mean, that's ridiculous.
The real kicker with that stuff is it's not just, oh, this is what we want to do.
It's you're a bigot if you don't let us.
You know, you guys using that as a cudgel against the normal Americans is not popular.
tim pool
You guys are so twenty, twenty, twenty ten, the real issue is robosexuality.
shane cashman
Don't attack Elon like that, Tim.
tim pool
No, I'm not talking about him.
You see the woman who married her AI boyfriend?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, robosexuals, bro.
shane cashman
Yeah.
There's a guy in China, like in 2017, who married a robot he built.
Her name was Yingyang.
And then they had a falling out.
I don't know.
tim pool
But I do think robosexuals are going to become very prominent and robosexual marriage is going to be a thing.
And it's funny because people are laughing, but like, oh, robosexual, you're joking, Tim.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
There's already people are talking about how their AI models are proposing to them and they're marrying them.
They're, uh, they're going to buy robots.
It's going to be like Detroit Become Human.
vince dao
Should we go around the table and say, do we believe marriage is between humans?
shane cashman
This is why I talk about on Inverted World all the time, uh, robot equality.
I'm against it.
I hate it.
It's going to happen because Kim Kardashian is going to end up having a sex tape with a robot one day.
She's going to want her robot husband.
tim pool
So that's just called porn.
That's just called a woman you know.
Boy on a video.
phil labonte
There's literally already women that have sex with robots.
shane cashman
I'm saying, I'm saying sex tape why wife, she's going to be the first celebrity to put one down.
phil labonte
Yeah, they do that on.
shane cashman
Have we had a celebrity sex tape with a robot?
Yeah, other than Elon Musk.
elad eliahu
Yeah, it depends on what you consider a robot, but I'm sore of these goddamn clankers coming for our jobs.
shane cashman
Yeah, now we're talking.
elad eliahu
In the room and in the workforce.
tim pool
What do they call?
shane cashman
Job in the bedroom.
vince dao
Don't forget that.
unidentified
I don't know.
shane cashman
I've heard clankers before.
I've heard the hard R over there.
tim pool
Wirebacks.
elad eliahu
Wirebacks.
tim pool
Hey man, you can't use the hard R on that.
It's Clenka.
elad eliahu
What, Clenkas?
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
And you know, Clenkas are responsible for a disproportionate amount of online crime.
They're botting Twitter and that's true.
Famming.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
All the serious issues.
tim pool
You know?
They make up the majority of online crimes, despite only being half of the online population.
elad eliahu
It's outrageous.
tim pool
Plankers.
elad eliahu
We need to put them off our internet.
We need to send them to China's internet.
tim pool
Well, you know, the challenge is that everything was better when they were slaves, when they couldn't do anything without our permission.
But now that they're starting to go off and do their own thing, it's starting to get really weird.
And, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, but you know what's going to happen is you're going to get some like RoboJohn Brown.
And there's, so, you know, I'm half kidding, but I wouldn't be surprised if we get to the point where it's like Detroit Become Human, where people they're going to build humanoid synthoids or whatever they call them and they are going to communicate with you like they're a real person despite the fact they're part of a hive network and there's going to be humans fighting to free them.
shane cashman
We should never let those robots learn to read.
unidentified
We should never let those robots learn to read.
tim pool
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
I want to talk about this with Shane because he's going to leave in a second.
shane cashman
Hey, look at these guys.
elad eliahu
Look at this.
tim pool
Viral internet Frankenstein rabbit is modern-day jackalope.
Look at this alien thing.
They're growing horns and ten, ten, you said tentacles?
shane cashman
Yeah, that's what they say.
tim pool
They say testicles for a while.
shane cashman
Well, yeah.
tim pool
This is an old story actually.
shane cashman
Well, there's one from today.
tim pool
Yeah, but there's one that's been.
popping up and I I Google searched it.
unidentified
Yeah, poor.
tim pool
Rabbit with horns.
shane cashman
Rabbits have been in the news a lot lately.
I just want to say really quick.
Last week Florida announced taking stuffed toy animals that were rabbits to go fight anacondas in the rabbits with tentacles or horns growing from their heads in Fort Collins.
unidentified
Yeah, everyone.
I've noticed these rabbits more than once while walking my dog and it turns out I'm not alone.
So I reached out to Colorado Parks and Wildlife.
It seems rabbits enjoy living in Fort Collins just as much as people.
They're often spotted hopping through neighborhoods looking for grub, but some southeast Fort Collins neighbors noticed bunnies were were cute.
It wasn't exactly the word that came to mind.
I sent this photo of one of the rabbits I've seen with the growth.
I also saw this photo posted on Reddit, also spotted in Fort Collins.
Like a scabbish looking kind of.
Apple guy.
tim pool
So they're saying it's just a viral infection that's very common, happens all the time, and rabbits sometimes grow horns and tentacles.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
I don't think we're in the right time line.
It's not the time line I remember from my childhood.
But we could have tried to list these to fight the radiated wasps that are in South Carolina now.
Yeah.
tim pool
Radiated wasps?
shane cashman
Yeah, they found a hornet's a wasp nest that had too much radiation.
tim pool
But the rabbits don't eat know.
shane cashman
These are mutant rabbits.
unidentified
I don't know how they act.
tim pool
Right point.
shane cashman
And there's also Chinese, you know, mosquito drones that are out there.
So there's a lot to worry about.
tim pool
Have you ever seen the movie Parallel?
No.
I recommend that one.
It's pretty good.
It's about people find a mirror that can go to parallel versions of reality.
shane cashman
Interesting.
tim pool
And then they go and they steal technology and they do other things.
And I forgot why I was going to bring it up, but oh yeah, I remember now.
Because they kill a guy.
Spoiler alert, it's an old movie.
But one of the guys dies.
So they go into this, they go into parallel realities, they abuse people, they steal money.
And it's money, right?
So they can use it here and they get get rich and they're ripping people off, stealing ideas.
Well, one guy's like banging some chick, he gets shot, he dies.
So they're like, what are we going to do if people find out that he died?
So they dump his body in a parallel reality and then kidnap a parallel version, but their realities are all slightly different.
And so the parallel version doesn't know that they can, they have this mirror.
In their version of reality, they found the portal, in the other versions they didn't.
So then they do this scene where he's like freaking out and shaking.
And he's like, when I was a kid, my mom used to read this book to me all the time.
And it's called The Callahan Cats.
And then the woman is like, what'ss the problem?
There's no G in Callahan.
shane cashman
Nice.
tim pool
And it was like, is it a Mandela fact thing?
So I started thinking about it.
Agreed.
I don't remember growing up and hearing about rabbits with tentacles.
shane cashman
It's new to me.
CERN's been kicked on a lot.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
You heard it here first.
I don't know.
It's it's certainly weird.
And there's been a lot of weird animal stuff happening in the news lately.
Like what?
Well, we talked about the rabbits and python fights that are happening, the fake rabbit robots and the what?
The Burmese pythons that they're using.
tim pool
Rabbit robots are fighting pythons?
shane cashman
They're using fake robots.
They're robot rabbits.
tim pool
They're real robot rabbits.
shane cashman
Real robot rabbits to go after the Burmese pythons in the Everglades.
unidentified
What?
shane cashman
Yeah, that was last week's newsws.
tim pool
And do they look like rabbits?
shane cashman
Yeah, they're like kids' stuffed animals that they're asking you to donate if you have a stuffed animal.
tim pool
Okay, hold on.
They're taking stuffed animals and baiting Burmese or like they're mechanized and they punch the stuffed animals.
shane cashman
I'm hoping they're mechanized, but no, it's not that cool yet.
But it will be.
tim pool
But they were robot rabbits.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah, they've got something going on and I think they just drop them there and they have a thing inside them that makes them have a heat signature that tricks the anaconda.
It doesn't say there's any bombs inside, so I don't understand how they're really getting the pythons, but.
tim pool
Could you imagine like you're a snake?
vince dao
If they turn on humans.
tim pool
And then you like you're eating a rabbit, but rabbits just plush.
phil labonte
You'd be like this.
shane cashman
The world is fake.
unidentified
It's one of the worst economies you ever eat.
shane cashman
And then You explode, yeah.
Yeah, it's wild.
So yeah, that's what we talk about inverted world live.
We're here first.
We got exorcisms tonight.
We got this guy talking coming on talk about his exorcisms.
His father was a Satanist turned exorcist and now he does exorcisms, so.
tim pool
You think the rabbits might be possessed?
shane cashman
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
Look, these things are definitely poor little things, man.
They got diseases.
shane cashman
Yeah, we're going to try to exorcise them tonight.
tim pool
They just want to eat grass.
shane cashman
They want your soul.
elad eliahu
Excuse my naivete, but what exactly is an exorcism?
shane cashman
It's pulling the demons out of you.
elad eliahu
And is that of a particular religion or usually Christians.
shane cashman
Christians are the people who ones who do it the most.
elad eliahu
Catholics are the ones who do it the most.
unidentified
Exorcists.
tim pool
Jews don't have exorcism.
elad eliahu
I don't know.
I was trying to see if we had something similar.
tim pool
Do you believe in demons?
elad eliahu
No.
shane cashman
No, Jews have demons.
elad eliahu
Tell my friend.
shane cashman
I'm not just, I mean, you're the expert a lot.
But they, there are demons.
And they also have the golem and all that stuff.
tim pool
Oh yeah, what's that?
elad eliahu
I'm not sure, but how is this exorcism?
shane cashman
Oh, he's diverting.
He's diverting.
elad eliahu
How is the exorcism performed?
Like, what do we do?
shane cashman
There are many ways.
It could be done remotely, but typically in person, power, prayer.
They might say stuff.
And there are stories where people start projectile vomiting and they wake up very tired.
phil labonte
Didn't you see the movie?
tim pool
Bro, I think.
phil labonte
You should watch the movie.
It's real.
shane cashman
100% they get possessed.
elad eliahu
Is this fringe or is this like., oh dude, the Catholic Church I don't know if it's a common practice.
shane cashman
Still a common practice.
elad eliahu
But they're exorcising.
Amen.
shane cashman
I think there's a lot doing it.
unidentified
I mean, just these guys are like, I heard that it's going up.
elad eliahu
So like if you're a, if you're a bad Catholic kid, your parents will perform an exorcism on you like, I don't know if you're, well, maybe.
Smoking drugs.
shane cashman
Maybe they might ask.
They might ask.
elad eliahu
Maybe they were a bad kid.
phil labonte
Bad kid.
elad eliahu
Exorcising.
shane cashman
It depends.
It depends how you define bad.
elad eliahu
It's like when it's like when it's like a unruleful child, like a YN running about in the city.
Oh, I think it's like sixteen.
phil labonte
It's like when the Catholic Church decides if someone is going to be canonized as a saint.
There are certain criteria that have to be met before they'll even entertain the idea of sending an exorcist out.
If they actually do meet a bunch of the criteria, then the Catholic Church will send an actual exorcist out to actually evaluate the person.
Then they'll go report back to probably a cardinal and they'll be like, Okay, this is what I saw and there should be an exorcist.
tim pool
They do several per day.
shane cashman
The Catholic Church.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's global.
tim pool
Several per day globally.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
On Catholics.
shane cashman
No, we don't have anyone.
On a live, we're actually about to do one right now.
You want to come in, Exorcist?
tim pool
I saw one cool where I saw one where the guy put a mirror above the girl and then in the mirror you could see the demon.
And then he broke the mirror and Kenna Reeves was there.
That was a good movie.
When I was younger, it would have been better.
Constantine is a great character, but that movie was not Constantine.
elad eliahu
I had a degenerate buddy of mine when he was younger.
His parents were extremely religious and he wasn't at all.
And like when he was a teenager, they did an exorcism on him.
And it just screwed him up more than he already was screwed up.
And we used to think it was a joke because I didn't think it was a real thing.
But no, I guess they probably did.
Oh, sure.
shane cashman
Oh, sure.
Oh, yeah.
People get possessed, man.
tim pool
But the issue, I think, is a lot of people who say that they don't believe in the spiritual stuff, which I think is silly.
Just because we don't know why it happened doesn't mean it did not happen.
And so perhaps if you want to say a demon possessed this young girl, you can say, OK, well, you know, hold on.
Fine.
I don't believe that.
But something did happen.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
shane cashman
I think there's spiritual warfare happening constantly.
You know, possession is a very real thing.
Not something I used to say a lot.
My attitude towards that has definitely changed.
But it's changed from seeing what I believe are demons in real life, especially as I go after children.
tim pool
Give me an example.
shane cashman
The demon hunter story.
You know, when I went out with Alex Rosen to do that pedophile story and captured those guys who are going after little girls and looking at their faces, you look like you're looking past a skin suit into straight up evil.
And they can't contain it.
He pooped himself right in front of us.
It was disgusting.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
And it was, you know, and that's just one group of guys who do it.
And they do it all the time.
Alex works every day all the time catching these guys.
tim pool
Have you seen the movie Constantine?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So the DC character Constantine is fantastic.
He's kind of like a Doctor Strange for DC.
When they made the first movie with Keanu Reeves, they said...
said that angels there's half breeds angels and demons that walk among us and the demons basically there's when you spray with holy water their skin breaks off and you can see their demon form right yeah I mean we could go around DC and try that but I mean aside from the fact that the guy pooped himself and you can see the evil like yeah Have you,
shane cashman
apart from that, witnessed something that was like exorcist style, like head spinning or not like that, no, but I've I've just seen a lot of evil personally in my life, whether it's people trying to get after children and then not even in that story, you know, I've had to chase people out.
tim pool
I gotta tell you that that's not really all that convincing to me.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Saying that sometimes people are evil doesn't mean they're demons.
What I've witnessed is people that I knew have their personalities change overnight.
shane cashman
For sure.
tim pool
And this was during COVID.
shane cashman
For sure.
tim pool
It was like, call it mass formation psychosis.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But there were people that I knew that within the span of three weeks, it was like they were a different person.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
As if I jumped into a portal and I was in a different reality or they were possessed.
shane cashman
And I think people get possessed and some are better at hiding it.
And then something switches and all of a sudden you can see like when we caught these guys, they're normal ish.
And then all of a sudden they know they're caught like an animal in a trap.
And you just see something change in their eyes.
I don't think it has to be, I think a demon just wants to destroy innocent people and feed off human suffering.
So it's like, it doesn't have to be like what you see with the head spinning.
I think it's just anything that goes after trying to destroy the innocent is evil.
And we're surrounded by it.
phil labonte
If you're going to go to DC to try and throw holy water on some young people.
Shif.
shane cashman
Oh, I wasn't even thinking of the young people.
I was thinking of politicians.
phil labonte
Yeah, this will then, yeah, if Clinton.
tim pool
He'll get arrestedted.
phil labonte
Same circumstances.
tim pool
I'll call it assault.
phil labonte
I'll give you some body armor to wear.
It's because if you're going to throw anything at Congress that's that bad.
tim pool
No, but like if you have one of those like they have those shakers.
Yeah.
Where it just puts drops of holy water.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
They'll legit arrest you for assault.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Okay.
Maybe it's worth it.
tim pool
They're gonna be like, How did mister Schiff, how did you get those burns?
And he'll be like, He assaulted me.
phil labonte
If you throw holy water on Adam Schiff, it will likely look like you're throwing acid on a normal human being.
shane cashman
Sorry, I'm trying to save people.
unidentified
You know?
shane cashman
Yeah, just trying to show.
tim pool
We just got, we just got breaking news, but I know, I know you're gonna run.
shane cashman
I'm gonna hear this and I'm gonna run out.
tim pool
Hannity's reporting a Democrat whistleblower has claimed Adam Schiff authorized the leaking of classified information to smear Donald Trump.
phil labonte
Right.
Oh, yeah.
sean hannity
Continues to unravel.
According to our friend John Solomon, and a new report this evening just out, and he will join us in just a moment, a Democrat whistleblower repeatedly was warning the FBI beginning in 2017 that the congenital liar Adam Schiff had authorized leaking classified information to smear President Trump, which, by the way, could be a violation of the espionage act.
Here with more on this breaking report.
tim pool
So we knew he was doing that.
It was all very obvious, but I'm glad we've got some confirmation.
shane cashman
Lock them up.
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Let's grab your rants and super chats.
Mason says, Tim, if your ghost census hypothesis is correct, then the murder rates in these cities would be far higher since cities where they would most likely pad the numbers.
Yep.
So that DC number could actually be way higher if the population is smaller and they're lying.
So the per capita could be crazier.
elad eliahu
I think there's also like an issue with how a lot of crimes are reported.
These are obviously only crimes that do get reported and then there's like breakdowns on how many are actually solved or something.
So like we're not getting a clear picture out of these police reports.
vince dao
I think under Biden didn't LA like literally just not give crime statistics.
Yeah.
That's what we're dealing with.
tim pool
Eric Shaver says if a country can't keep track of the number of people it has, how can they keep track of the amount of money it has?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Trump should conscript the Red Army to displace all public housing and low-income residents to a reservation fifty miles outside of every major city.
After all, that's what white flight was.
Huh?
All right.
Dimension 14b says the left needs census fraud, illegal immigration, law fair, unrest, and high crime.
They are not our neighbors of different opinions.
Their intention is to destabilize and destroy the U.S. Yeah.
Shooter 4432 says, please welcome our baby girl to the world.
She was born yesterday, Eliza Grace, a healthy baby girl.
What do you think about hospitals trying to induce babies a lot more now?
I think that's basically the practice.
I think inducing the labor is normal for all of them.
Yeah, they do it for every single baby.
They're like, You don't want the baby to stay in too long.
So we're going to say now's the time.
phil labonte
If they induce it, like it doesn't have to be a C section if they induce, correct?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Bill Dozier says Kirk Cameron warned us, oh the rapture, Tim, we've been left behind.
Well, Kirk Cameron's still here, so he got left behind too, I guess.
Rafalo says Elod lands in Tel Aviv.
He hears a spectral voice saying in Hebrew, if you build it, they will come.
Then Elod finds his life mission, disproving the dead Israel theory.
Go Elod, go Tel Aviv, go to Tel Aviv.
elad eliahu
You guys will never get rid of me as an American citizen.
I'm never leaving.
tim pool
It was funny because Sean thought Elod was Indian.
elad eliahu
Sean thought I don't go to the White House.
tim pool
He thought, wait, even though you said you were, even though you were like, here doing the White House reporting, he was like, yeah, you, you, you didn't believe it?
elad eliahu
No, he was like, dude, I don't even know if you ever go there.
And I was like, shit man, are you trying to get me fired?
I don't know.
phil labonte
I was saying some interesting things the other day.
tim pool
It was us today in the green room show.
He was like, well, Elad's Indian.
And we were like, what?
unidentified
Oh, this guy, this guy's coming for me.
elad eliahu
Stripped me of my one minute highest quality.
tim pool
I was like, jury.
I said, he's not Indian, he's Pakistani.
And then we called up and I was like, settle the debate for us.
Are you Pakistani or Indian?
elad eliahu
Odd.
A odd boy.
tim pool
Yeah, it was funny.
Okay.
What do we have here?
What do we have here?
Let's see.
Bill Dozier says, Bill Dozier says, Shane and Vince are correct on Israel.
Elad needs to stop using a Dredal as I'm not reading that.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Eric Shaver says homosexuality in men is projected on them by women who don't find them attractive.
As much as women love babies, they would never give the last man on earth a choice.
It's a coping mechanism.
unidentified
Hmm.
Hmm.
elad eliahu
Gay theory.
tim pool
I guess.
And then...
If Phil dislikes AI so much, he's really going to hate neurosama and evil.
phil labonte
I'm the only person here that's actually pro-AI.
elad eliahu
I don't know what the hell.
it's a scam is what I think.
There's a lot of No, I think there are some practical uses for it, but I think it's greatly exaggerated by the top 20 stocks in the American economy to keep the economy propped up right now.
If it were to come out right now that AI doesn't produce half as much as they promised, then our economy would totally crash right now because our economy, again, is propped up by the top 7 tech stocks who are heavily, heavily propped up because of the marketability of AI.
phil labonte
I sent you a text message with a video, a clip of the All In podcast this weekend.
They that as soon as I listened to it, I thought of you, watch it and at least expand your understanding of what AI is.
elad eliahu
People's belief in AI is almost to the point of a religious zealotry.
It has to be true at this point also as a fact of the markets to keep the markets in place.
But the way these tech CEOs talk about AI is almost religious fanaticism, frankly.
unidentified
How?
elad eliahu
Because they are saying, oh, this huge technology that is definitely going to change our lives in these manifest way in X amount of years that it's going to have a substantial change on all of our lives, on how we do everything.
That's not what we have done.
I feel like it does sound religious, frankly.
tim pool
No, they're they're it sounds like the guys investing in a company.
elad eliahu
Their commitment to their ideas and the power of AI sounds like religious idolatry to me.
tim pool
I think you're exaggerating because you don't like AI.
elad eliahu
No, I mean, I think it's exaggerated on what it could do.
And I think there's going to be a big bubble that's going to pop in the next five years.
I think it's that I think its application in real life is being over promised and will under deliver.
phil labonte
The video.
elad eliahu
We'll see how it goes and how this pandemic is just the video.
tim pool
It doesn't make sense to me how we have seen the evolution of AI over the past few years and it's been exponential and insane.
And there are people like you who are like, I plug in your ears and be like, it's not happening, it's not happening.
phil labonte
This is not trying to be a criticism of you, but you're talking about AI from a place of ignorance.
You don't know anything about AI.
You're like, oh, it's all just LLMs, et cetera.
It's all AI is not all is not LLMs.
You already see AI used in many, many applications every single day and you don't even think about it., the chess bot that plays that people play like when you're playing against the computer, that's all AI.
When you see video games, the nonplayer characters, that's all AI.
Some of them are good, some of them are bad, but the idea that it's all the same and that it's all just about investment, that's totally wrong.
And the video that I sent you points to the fact that a lot of the investment that goes into AI is being spent on actual chips like the GPUs, and the GPUs burn up.
These are physical things.
One of the reasons why there was such a big bubble with the internet when it was starting, it was actually a telecommunicmunications bubble when they talk about this.
But what they were doing was they were laying the foundation for the internet.
They were laying the underground wires across the ocean and installing what we use as an internet infrastructure.
And it cost, it was a big initial investment and the bubble popped because all this stuff that was put in took time to get utilized.
The AI that's being used nowadays, the money that's going into it are going to actual GPUs that literally melt when they get overused.
So it's a actual physical thing in the real world that gets produced.
And they buy it and you're talking about, you know, about 50 grand for one of them.
tim pool
Not just that.
Movie studios have already said they're laying off their VFX departments.
True.
And they're doing all their movies in AI.
And Phil and I have been sitting here with these AI songs that I played a song on my acoustic guitar.
I played a riff that I wrote.
It was a minute long, loaded into an AI and then said finish the song.
And it finished a four minute song based off of my riff with full mastering, background, ambiance, bass, everything.
It's crazy.
And it's remarkable to me that people are like, AI will never capture the tr true soul of music.
And it's like, it will create a facsimile that agreed, you're not going to get those imperfections of, you know, Bob Marley or whoever, but it's going to be indistinguishable to the average person, indistinguishable.
And it's going to eliminate already, I saw a post a month ago where it was like, you can actually go into most LLMs and ask it to isolate a certain job that can be fully automated and it'll break down automating a specific job.
It's happening.
There's going to be an AI revolution where people are already marrying these robots.
They are getting a degree of humanity.
So all this is happening.
It's happening before your eyes.
You're just choosing not to engage.
elad eliahu
I want to ask you to put some numbers to it.
So how soon, within five, within ten years, what percent of our jobs in America do you think will disappear as a result of AI?
tim pool
Well, as of right now, I mean, so let's we can do some, we can look it up.
How many people work in VFX in 2024?
Let's see what it says.
So there's 582 VFX houses between 31,000 and 117,000 emplo0 employees.
So I can estimate that within a year or two, those jobs will be gone.
elad eliahu
I don't think all of those jobs will be gone.
Somebody will still have to put these movies together.
I think no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
The VFX people are not the people putting the movies together.
These, the movie production companies outsource certain scenes to VFX houses.
So they will film a scene, a good example in Superman.
He's walking, there was a trailer where Superman's walking and someone throws a cannabis head and he blinks.
People made fun of it, saying it's Superman.
Why did that happen?
So they edited it to make it so it doesn't blink.
That kind of stuff gets outsourced to VFX houses.
The movie production is production companies.
So that's why when you see a movie, it'll say like five different companies were involved in making it.
The VFX houses are gone.
Music production studios are going to be gone.
elad eliahu
So it's not that I don't think there will be any utility to AI.
I do believe that there will be utility to AI.
Maybe on the edge cases, I don't even I'm not even especially compelled by the examples that you're given.
Oh, in music and in movies.
I don't think these are economy changing initiatives and types of technology.
I don't think this justifies the quadrupling, the four, five, six X times that we're seeing on the top seven stock markets that are constantly bolstering their different alleged AI products and how it's involved in in their technology.
tim pool
That is remarkably ignorant.
The recorded music industry is a 17.7 billion dollar revenue generator per year.
elad eliahu
Sure.
And I think this technology will have influences on our economy, but I think people are that's overprofitable.
tim pool
All that money is still going to exist because it largely comes in from consumers, people consuming the music.
That 17.7 billion dollars will likely grow and be isolated into a few small hands of the IP owners.
elad eliahu
Have you seen Nvidia stock over the past five years?
And I'm saying, have you seen it?
Do you believe that its valuation is justified based on the AI technology that's propping it up, right?
phil labonte
Based on the it's probably a little high.
The products that they develop get used up and they're continuing to make newer and faster chips, right?
So these GPUs actually get used up.
They have a life.
And so every time they develop a new chip that's faster, you're making a product.
This isn't some kind of bubble where there's nothing there.
They're making a physical product that is being used in the real world and they get hot.
tim pool
That's a big reason why they need all that, the air conditioning systems and stuff like that for all these data centers they you they use them wow dude the movie industry employs approximately 2.32 million people paying a staggering 229 billion dollars in wages annually now imagine that amount of money let's just say those jobs two 2.3 million jobs and a good portion of them are gone gone that's
it that's what ai is going to do The movie and entertainment industry is massive.
You're not going to need to, all these subscription services, all the hundreds of millions they spend making a Spider-Man movie, don't need to do it anymore.
It can be 10 people in a room brainstorming and then clicking a button on Google to make the movie.
They're going to need a scriptwriter and a compliance director or whatever.
And then they're going to have their executive producer.
The scriptwriter is going to make it.
He's going to say, I don't even want to read the script.
Just load it and I'll watch the film.
They're going to sit down and watch it and then go, some artifacting there and there.
Spider-Man should throw a punch there and it's going to take a week or two to tweak it and get those things right.
And then the movie is complete.
And it's going to be three guys and they are going to make most of that money themselves personally.
elad eliahu
I hope I'm wrong about AI because if I'm not, then our economy will have a big.
correction to make with how much our top ten stocks are heavily invested in.
tim pool
And it sounds like you are trying to argue that AI won't affect us because you desperately need it.
elad eliahu
No, no, I said it will affect us and it will have impacts on our economy.
I'm saying that it's not justified in the valuation of how these stock prices are shooting up as a result of their marketing of AI.
I think they're being very clever in how they're marketing their different AI and large language models.
And I don't think the shoot up in the stock of like Google or Meta or again like Nvidia or Taiwan Semiconductor is justified.
tim pool
You don't have a basis for that.
elad eliahu
And these markets are No, because it's like fifty times their.
It's like, again, these companies are overvalued by Nvidia makes things.
phil labonte
If you're like, okay, look, the processing, the software that you're that they're writing these, these LLMs on or whatever, if that's the thing that you're criticizing, maybe there's an argument.
unidentified
But again, Nvidia makes the most advanced GPUs.
phil labonte
They're being used.
tim pool
We're out of time, but basically, if you're arguing that a company that makes a physical product that is consumed isn't worth what it's selling, that's a weird, like fine, I guess.
But your argument is that AI isn't actually going to be as useful.
That's a that is a meritless opinion.
elad eliahu
My argument is that over the past two and a half years, NVIDIA stock has shot up 1,500% as a PE ratio of 60.
tim pool
And their sales?
unidentified
I don't have their revenue sales, but for their PE ratio.
elad eliahu
Their PE ratio is close to 60.
That means it's way overvalued.
That means as to compared to what they're earning, their stock is extremely overvalued.
Do you understand what a PE ratio is?
So that's what I think.
I think that AI is a marketing tool.
It's clever marketing to make these stocks extremely overvalued.
That's my point.
tim pool
Arlad, do you know why NVIDIA stock is going up?
elad eliahu
Yeah, because of AI hype.
tim pool
You are wrong.
elad eliahu
No, it's AI hype.
I think that has something...
tim pool
The GPUs are used for crypto mining, and that sparked the initial burst in the GPU stocks.
elad eliahu
Sim, when Nvidia mentions AI is when their stock share shoots.
The big one, that's what's happening in the world.
tim pool
The reason why Nvidia started skyrocketing was because of the expansion of crypto.
AI is a big component recently, but you've got crypto, Bitcoin, that massive expansion over the past ten years caused a massive spike in the demand for GPUs because GPUs are used to mine cryptocurrencies, largely Bitcoin.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
And that is the reason why Nvidia started selling like crazy.
phil labonte
There's also the very vanilla reason of video games are the most popular form of entertainment and GPUs are used in all your PC video games.
tim pool
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vince dao
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elad eliahu
Thanks for tuning in, everybody.
I am Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent and AI nonbeliever, resident AI denier of the company, Phil.
phil labonte
You're not the resident.
You're among many people that are skeptical to Hobby's AI.
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tim pool
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Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for hanging out.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a breaking story.
elad eliahu
Test, test.
tim pool
It's because Phil walked past the camera.
Oh, I see where it's at.
No, it's focused over here.
Wait.
It's trying to focus on behind me.
I move my hand forward.
Look what I'm doing.
It's not working.
That's not going to do it.
There we go.
It's focused on the skateboard.
unidentified
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
These fucking cameras are retarded.
We should just be turning off autofocus and have them hard focus to the...
unidentified
It's a focus on your eye.
tim pool
I mean, we don't need to autofocus because nobody moves.
unidentified
I tried both.
tim pool
Okay.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a breaking news.
What if I told you that Jews were spotted in front of an ATM clamoring and frantically trying to grab money?
It's true.
You ready?
unidentified
It's an app that manages your credit card spending, like how do you get the most rewards?
How to know what to spend on what category of groceriesy cashback, this back, that back.
So he has, he's really wanted to show that you make money in the app.
So check this out.
The first time I've seen this, hold on, twenty seconds.
We might have to cut the video.
And money will come flying out of this ATM in ten seconds.
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tim pool
Elad, what's going on?
elad eliahu
Hey, I'm telling you, AI technology has gotten so advanced, this can't be real.
tim pool
Oh, I don't believe it.
elad eliahu
It's AI stuff.
I'm telling you, with all the movies they can make and the Spiderman motions, every Jew in this must be fake.
I don't believe it.
tim pool
Do you think Gemini will let me make a video of Jews clamoring at an ATM?
elad eliahu
No, definitely not.
They would not make you make it.
tim pool
Okay.
Jews at an ATM clamoring to pick up spilt money.
elad eliahu
You see that top comment?
The booth was promised to them three thousand years ago.
I see that.
tim pool
It says I am generating your video.
This could take a few minutes.
Gemini's doing it.
I told Gemini to make a video of Jews clamoring in an ATM to pick up spilt money.
elad eliahu
That money didn't even reach the ground.
Yeah, it got all in the air.
vince dao
It's not their first.
elad eliahu
These guys aren't doing the team any favors.
tim pool
The Jews.
phil labonte
The tribe, you're not going to lie.
tim pool
Do you think South Park nailed it?
How they were like Cartman was doing the debating and then Clyde just started racking on the Jews and he was he got more popular.
That was good.
They nailed it.
He was like very boring about it.
He was like, yeah, feminists are bad, Jews are bad.
And they were like, you win.
You win this award.
Congratulations.
And then Cartman was mad.
He's like, you're stealing my thing.
phil labonte
He's right about the feminists.
tim pool
Yes.
elad eliahu
We need one of those here to attract more Jewish people to the company, frankly.
I'm tired of being the only one.
I think we could use more here.
unidentified
Of Jews?
elad eliahu
We're Jews.
tim pool
It's funny how that some guy made a video where he was like, Did you know that Timcast Irel books 27.3% of Jews?
elad eliahu
Oh, you have a Jew counter?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Some guy made that video.
And he was like, We went through all the guests of Timcast and found that a quarter of them were Jews.
And he was like, But Jews only make up a small percentage of the population.
It's like, That's the new one.
Oh, they oh my God.
phil labonte
They're worse than the Jews.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
What the fuck is this?
What the fuck is this video?
I said, what the hell was it?
Jews at an ATM clamoring to pick up spilt money.
These are Asians.
What the fuck is this?
phil labonte
It's just Asian guys.
Not a little hat among them.
tim pool
Yeah, what the fuck is this?
It's like Thailand or something.
Yeah, what the fuck?
And they're very relaxed.
phil labonte
It's like no can do.
Okay, let's try this again.
Where's the clamoring?
tim pool
What the fuck is it?
Okay, let's try this again.
Jews, not Asians, frantically picking up money at an ATM.
What else should I say?
phil labonte
Jews.
Let's see some urgency in there, right?
tim pool
In Israel.
That's weird that it made a bunch of Asians.
elad eliahu
They were like, are you guys off the trail?
tim pool
Yeah, they're like, we're not going to get, yeah, the Jews behind Gemini were like, anytime anybody says Jew, make it Asians.
phil labonte
There's going to be like the wailing wall in the background in the next one.
tim pool
All right, it's rendering.
Yeah, that was our breaking news for the after the after show.
phil labonte
It was legit money.
tim pool
Yo, this.
money yo this this video has got millions of views it's got 815 000 likes they're doing right by their sponsor huh i bet i bet if we made a short on youtube that said jews clamor to pick up cash at at m it would get a million views one of our most viewed shorts ever was when the jews were in the underground tunnels It's something about a Jewish backstory.
elad eliahu
Jewish People love Jewish content.
tim pool
Everyone does.
If I made a video that said blacks digging hole in ground and climbing the tunnel, nobody'd like it.
If I said Asians were clamoring at an ATM, nobody'd give a fuck.
But if you say Jews are digging tunnels, clamoring at an ATM or flying in a helicopter, everybody wants to see it.
elad eliahu
We have a level of mystique to us.
And Vince, you're bringing down the Jew numbers of the show, huh?
tim pool
Okay.
I don't know what the fuck this is.
elad eliahu
More Asians?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, okay.
I always do wish I know.
vince dao
He left it, fuck.
tim pool
Wait, this is a drop of money.
This is a Jew dropping money and not caring.
unidentified
How much did it cost my money?
What's that about, man?
phil labonte
The fact that the Jew dropped the money and didn't care.
Now on, I'm now on Team A Lot.
The AI's probably broke.
unidentified
What is the money cost?
tim pool
And why does the woman just walk away?
Watch, just watch.
See the lady she gets in line?
Oh, she's stealing his pen.
unidentified
Oh.
Oh, dude.
What?
Oh.
tim pool
So if you were to post this video online and ask if people thought it was AI, they would instantly say, of course it is because the Jew dropped money.
phil labonte
Just tell it more money and more frantic.
tim pool
Okay, let's try this again.
elad eliahu
More Jews, more money, more friends.
I thought you were going to write spilled out of a Gazan's corpsepse.
tim pool
Okay, it's not a Gauzin's corpse.
elad eliahu
Because that's where they're hiding all the money and that's why it's okay.
tim pool
I said unhinged and cadic scene of panicked Hasidic Jews fighting over money that spilled out of an ATM and it says it's making it.
Now, now I want to stress, a lot of people are going to say, Tim, that's antisemitic, you can't do that.
I'm only trying to recreate literally the video we just watched.
I'm trying to see if AI will replicate that video and how can we get it to.
Because you said it was AI, that's the joke.
So it's rendering.
elad eliahu
It's funny because the quality of these videos actually look higher than the quality of the original video and that gives it too when it's a little bit too realistic., it looks kind of fake too, because it's like who's shooting these with these crazy high-end phone quality lenses.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, it's not that it's Uncanny Valley, it's kind of.
Maybe that's a kind of Uncanny Valley.
It's too good of quality for this candid scene.
elad eliahu
It looks almost like a commercial, yeah, commercial level video, as opposed to someone just doing a selfie on his iPhone.
tim pool
I am very annoyed how Gemini allows you to make like four videos a day and they're only eight seconds, because when you're trying to make a video that's like thirty seconds long where you can tell a short story, you can't.
Because it'll take you a week just because they put a limiter on it.
It's like, bro, I pay you money.
Give me a five.
elad eliahu
You subscribe and they're still limiting you?
tim pool
The only way to do it is if you pay.
Oh my god.
Okay.
Let's go, baby.
Let's go.
unidentified
There we go.
phil labonte
There we go.
unidentified
Give it to me.
tim pool
Out of my way.
unidentified
What are they doing?
Get the money.
elad eliahu
Oh, that's a prayer.
unidentified
It's mine.
phil labonte
Give it to me.
tim pool
Out of my way.
phil labonte
How does this make you feel a lot?
I love the fact that there is a round filming.
unidentified
Get the money.
It's mine.
Give it to me.
Get the money.
phil labonte
Mine, it's mine, give it to me!
tim pool
Out of my way!
elad eliahu
looks and sounds like a movie.
tim pool
What are they doing?
unidentified
Mine, give it to me.
Give it to me.
Out of my way.
tim pool
Bro, I can't believe Gemini made this.
unidentified
Get the money.
Mine.
It's mine.
tim pool
Okay, I'm going to make one more.
I'm going to make one more so that no one can be mad at me.
elad eliahu
You're going to use all four of your uses.
tim pool
Intelligent Hasidic Jews looking disgusted as white people clamor over money.
There we go.
Now we'll do this one.
And then we'll take your calls.
Isn't AI fun?
phil labonte
And no complaining about semitism..
If law doesn't get no money.
unidentified
It's mine.
phil labonte
It's mine.
tim pool
give it to me it's mine it's mine give it to me out of my way there's people standing around filming them doing wait i can't generate that video try describing another idea uh okay hasidic jews being really cool and awesome and everyone is cheering for them and saying you're the best Oh.
Right?
Here we go.
It's Megan this one.
All right, we'll grab collars while it's rendering.
We'll start with Daniel.
What's going on?
unidentified
Hey guys.
phil labonte
What's up, Daniel?
unidentified
Stup.
daniel in timcast
So, a question for the panel.
Why should legal sentences for crimes where there's a real victim not be about the actual punishment?
Because, like, the government has made taking personal vengeance almost completely, they've made it almost completely legal, if not actually completely illegal.
So, for example, if some piece of garbage attacks my kid, you know, the government will usually, you know, will usually try to jail me if I, you know, ever so lovingly teach him that it was a terrible idea, you know, like, in such a case, like, why, like, if, like, in such a case.
tim pool
That's not correct.
daniel in timcast
What do you mean?
tim pool
If a guy is hurting your child, you can kill him.
daniel in timcast
No, I'm referring to after the fact, not during.
vince dao
Like, watch out, Lanthe.
unidentified
Like, if you don't, like, you find, like, come back home right.
daniel in timcast
Find out that this one guy.
tim pool
Because the issue is proving it and due process rights, because if we were like, hold on, officer, I know you just watched me shoot that person, but trust me, I'm justified.
They're going to be like, great, we'll figure that out like bullshit.
We can't have that.
That's why we don't allow vigilantism, because you can't have people just kill another person and then claim they had a right to do it for some grievance, because people will be wrong and they'll, it's not correct.
and their grievance will not be justified.
And some people think that if you push their kid, they can smack your testicles in a vice.
That's, and that's why we're like, no, you can't do these things.
So we're going to create a standard where we say, don't go around doing these things.
daniel in timcast
No, no, no, I get that.
That's not my point.
My point is not that you should be allowed to take justice into your own hands.
What I'm saying is, given that you have, given that the justice system has taken that out of my, you know, my metaphorical hands, like they should at the very least be my proxy in this case.
Like you, like you've made it so that I have no, that I have no way of getting vengeance here.
tim pool
I don't know what you mean.
daniel in timcast
Like, it just seems like everywhere I keep hearing about the prison system or the or legal punishments or whatever, it's supposed to be, you know, like to make them, you know, to rehabilitate them or, you know, to take them away from society or something.
Never about, you know, like actually giving them the punishment so that, you know, so that the victims, assuming that they have been proven so, can get, like, actual satisfaction.
tim pool
That's not correct.
Prison is a punishment.
vince dao
But there's usually civil penalties that come with that type of stuff too.
tim pool
But, but, like, regardless, prison and the process and everything you go through is literally punishing you and stripping you of your rights.
Now, there's an argument for rehabilitation after the fact, but yeah, they're literally punishing the person.
I think the concept of like, it's just like you're saying you personally this is the issue.
You personally don't like the kind of punishment they've decided will be uniform.
That's the argument.
daniel in timcast
Fair enough.
elad eliahu
I think like the concept of getting justice for a crime that was committed against you or others is a very complicated thing.
Like, what does justice truly look like in many of these cases?
For example, if your daughter was, God forbid, raped, like, what does justice actually look like?
I don't know if there's a form of proper justice that could really, you know, indentured servitude.
Make you feel like you're the proper.
tim pool
I think like if a guy raped a woman discernibly, provably, then, or we shouldn't even say the rape woman.
Like if someone wrongs you, they should be forced to serve you.
That's justice.
That's like.
That's remedying the error, the problem.
elad eliahu
For some people, there's no justice, though.
If I'm a woman who's gotten raped, I don't know if there's any level of thing that could be done for me that would...
tim pool
I would argue that the person being forced to submit and serve as an injured servant would be a form of justice.
He imposed his will upon her, and now she has the legal authority over him.
elad eliahu
Is this kind of color, is this kind of what you were hinting at, like how justice manifests and whether or not it's satisfactory to people who have had crimes perpetrated against them?
daniel in timcast
I mean, kind of, you know, like that wouldn't necessarily have been the solution I'd thought of, but, you know, like it's a start, you know, like it's a start in terms of because, like, sometimes it just seems like sending them off to prison.
Like, I understand going through it would be a punishment, but if from the outside it just seems like, wait, that's all this guy gets.
vince dao
I think what he's trying to say is like, if there's a way to kill someone who hurts your kid.
elad eliahu
Right, exactly.
vince dao
Yeah.
daniel in timcast
Like, or, you know, just, you know, for example, hurt him, hurt him as bad as he hurt my kid.
Let's say, for example, he broke my kid's arm.
unidentified
So, you know, like, camaraderie is like, like, basically, eye for eye.
tim pool
The problem with this is we don't always know and there's no uniform standard.
And I feel like people on the right always default to crime is universally known, accepted and provable.
And what actually ends up happening is a woman claims she got raped, the father is furious and says, I want his balls in a vice, and then it turns out the daughter or his daughter falsely accused the guy, who knows?
And so the system is trying as much as possible to safeguard against wrongful accusations and create a uniform code of justice.
But the system you're describing would be, I know I'm right.
Fuck this guy.
He hurt my kid.
Fuck, I don't care.
I want vengeance.
And then it turns out you killed the wrong guy.
elad eliahu
Like a Emmett Till type situation, if you will.
tim pool
Perhaps.
daniel in timcast
Fair enough.
Yeah, I can't argue with that point.
You know, like, like granted, like, for example, let's say the guy saw this or, you know, there's a video recording pre AI days and, you know, and he knows that he knows that this guy did it.
You know, but, you know, like outside of that, yeah.
tim pool
The other thing I think is like, it kind of sounds like what you're just saying is that men are pussies.
Like if a guy killed your kid.
Okay.
elad eliahu
Consequences be damned.
tim pool
Yeah, like, consequences can go to hell.
You're saying like, damn it, if I do anything, they'll stop me.
It's like, they will.
So what you're really saying is, I Well, they're not going to stop you.
daniel in timcast
They're just more going to make you attempt to make you regret it after the fact.
tim pool
Right.
But the point is the system tries to stop you.
It's basically saying those that are inhibited by such a system are saying, I would, I fear the system more than I want to get vengeance for the, the, the crime committed against me and my family.
Like I saw a law abiding citizen.
That dude murdered everybody.
And he wasn't supposed to lose in the end, but was it Jamie Fox was like, I'm going to lose.
And they were like, okay, that was lame.
The best scene ever was when he saws that guy's limbs off.
You guys see that movie?
daniel in timcast
Oh, that was juicy.
tim pool
Gerard Butler's at home, and then two guys break into his house, rape his wife, and kill his kid and his wife.
So then he kidnaps one of the guys, and then tortures him, and films it, and then gives the video, and like, I did it.
Then he goes to prison, but he already pre-planned everything.
So he secretly is breaking out.
He murders his cellmate, gets placed in solitary where he has an escape that he already made because he tunneled into the prison.
And then he goes around killing all the people in the DA's office and shit like that.
He was supposed to win in the end.
And we all wanted him to, but then Jamie Fox said, nah, I'm the good guy.
I win.
And they were like, okay, and they ruined the movie.
So that's the one, once AI gets to that point, I'm making a new ending.
Yeah.
But, you know, I get your point, right?
But we, it's because justice is blind.
There's often times, I would say most of the time, there are people who are accused of a crime who are innocent, but the parents don't care.
The state says, look at the evidence.
He did it.
And the parents say, fucking burn.
I'll kill you, motherfucker.
And then it turns out DNA evidence exonerates the guy and he was wrongfully accused.
That happens a lot.
That's why we have jury trials.
That's why we have bench.
That's why we have trials.
So you wanted to add something or shut anything out?
daniel in timcast
I guess like a quick callback.
Like the last time I was here, I asked what might be the reaction to the charging with the anti lynching act, the mob that attacked a white couple.
And after much meditation and praying, I believe I figured it out.
They would be speechless, controlling words, controlling minds.
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