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Texas AG Files Suit To Vacate House Seats Of Rogue Democrats Who Fled State | Timcast IRL
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angela belcamino
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elad eliahu
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phil labonte
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raymond g stanley-jr
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phil labonte
Ken Paxton has filed suit to vacate the seats, the House seats that Democrats who fled Texas.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and much more is Angela Bell Camino, right?
Did I pronounce the last name right?
angela belcamino
Bell Camino.
phil labonte
Bell Camino, okay, all right.
angela belcamino
Yeah.
phil labonte
Well, who are you?
What do you do?
angela belcamino
Yeah, thank you so much for having me, guys.
It's been a long time coming.
Many of you know me as the Bold Lib.
What many of you don't know about me is that I'm actually, you know, my background is in mental health and I've been doing that full time for the past many years.
And I recently left my job to start my own podcast coming up in September, which is going to be streaming on Rumble.
So I'm very excited about that.
Thanks to my sponsors at Network Access Group.
They're bringing this podcast up.
unidentified
Right.
angela belcamino
So I'm super excited about that.
I'm going to be moving in a week out of New York City.
raymond g stanley-jr
Wow.
angela belcamino
Back home to Florida.
Back home.
Yeah, I'm from Florida originally.
I've been in New York for twelve years.
So I'm just feeling over it.
Awesome.
But yeah, my main platform right now is X at Angela Bel Camino, and I'm going to be bringing some more stuff on TikTok.
Awesome.
phil labonte
So thanks for joining us.
unidentified
Yeah, thanks.
phil labonte
We got Raymond G. Stanley.
raymond g stanley-jr
Hey friends, it's your resident blue collar devil dog hair.
I'm excited to be here today with the boldest libs of them all.
And we have Sean's here.
sean fracek
Producer Sean, hey guys.
Thanks for having me back by popular demand.
The blue hoodie was a.
fan favorite last night, so I wore another blue hoodie.
Also, different color blue, but glad to be here.
phil labonte
Thanks for joining us.
Elod is here barely.
elad eliahu
Good evening, everyone.
White House correspondent here at Tim Cast.
Thanks for having me, Phil.
phil labonte
Well, thank you for coming to hang out.
Okay, so we're going to get right into it from the prime, from the post millennial breaking.
Ken Paxton filed a suit to vacate state house seats held by Dems who fled over redistricting vote.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton filed a lawsuit with the State Supreme Court in order to declare the seats held by thirteen Democrat House makers who fled the state amid a vote on a new Congressional district map vacant.
The rogue Democrat legislators who fled the state have abandoned their duties, leaving their seats vacant.
These cowards deliberately sabotaged the constitutional process and violated the oath they swore to uphold.
Their out of state rebellion cannot go unchecked, and the business of Texas must go on.
I have asked the Texas Supreme Court to clarify what has been clear from the beginning, that the runaway members have officially vacated their offices in the Texas House, Paxton said in a statement.
This is a bit of a surprise for some people.
I think that it's good.
House members leaving the state in order to prevent quorums and stuff like that.
It's not unprecedented, but it does seem like Ken Paxton wants to put a little oomph behind it.
And I think that probably has something to do with the fact that he's after John Cornyn's seat.
sean fracek
Yeah.
Yeah, we were talking about this yesterday as well.
It's like without a hundred they can't do business, right?
phil labonte
Yeah.
sean fracek
So that's the issue.
So it's like the government's already inefficient and now they can't even do anything because these Democrats have left.
We were talking about it last night.
The issue is like, okay, if you arrest them, you just martyr them and you give them, you know, all kinds of social credit.
So what do we do?
raymond g stanley-jr
What's social credit going to do for them?
sean fracek
them?
When elections become the face of the Democrat Party.
I mean, everyone's vying for that right now.
phil labonte
Do you think that state legislators leaving really are going to have an impact on national Democrats?
sean fracek
No, what I'm saying is if you arrest them.
phil labonte
Yeah, but I mean, the point that I'm making is, as state, most of the time, most Americans don't really pay attention to their own state governments, never mind the state government in Texas.
Now, there are people that are worked up because this is about redistricting and stuff, but redistricting is halfway through the time for the census is not unprecedented.
They've done it before.
It's happened.
I heard someone, I forget who it was, that was talking about this being an unprecedented situation, and it's not.
They've had it's rare.
sean fracek
They say it's rare.
unidentified
It's rare.
sean fracek
It's fine, but it's okay and so, yeah, it's rare.
phil labonte
Yeah, rare is fine, but it's still unprecedented is different.
And so I don't think that most Americans really are going to care beyond Democrats are looking for something to talk about.
unidentified
What do you think?
angela belcamino
I mean, I'm not well versed on gerrymandering, but I mean, in my opinion is that they should have stayed.
Yeah, I don't think it's right that they left.
Like, I can say that.
And yeah, my question is the same.
Like, what, like, something needs to be done about it.
I feel like so it, I mean, I think.
sean fracek
Yeah, what do you mean?
Like, what do you do?
You're like, yeah, you pick them up and like force them back into their job.
I mean, it's like, what are your options?
And yeah, what I'm saying as far as like, becoming the face of the Democratic Party, like, they're being arrested, they're getting the photo out.
It's going to be, it's going to be national news.
Like, they want this.
You know what I mean?
With, like, mom, Donnie, I would, I would argue mom, Donnie's probably like the biggest, most popular face in the Democratic Party right now.
But if these guys are, you know, carted out in jail and stuff, like, all of a sudden,, everyone's gonna know their names, know who they are, know what their positions are.
So it's like, yeah.
phil labonte
But does this hurt democrats?
Because it's my opinion that democrats are really floundering.
Part of the reason why they're doing this is because, you know, democrats still just yesterday there was a clip of Nancy Pelosi talking about how they want to nationalize gender change assignment surgery for kids.
This is an eighty twenty issue.
The American people do not back that, but democrats still are on the wrong side of so many issues.
Is this the issue that they're trying to get behind because they think that it's an easy win?
Is it an easy win or is this just something to distract from the fact that they still have.
Still have nothing except for Zorhan Mamdani, who is really unpopular in their own party.
You know, to, to, I mean, there are some people that are very pro Mamdani, of course, but the people that are, you know, against Mamdani, like this is really going to split the Democratic Party, even if, even though it's only the mayor of one city, not even a national level Democrat.
angela belcamino
Yeah, no, it's a big one, like myself included.
Like I'm, you know, not as progressive.
Like I'm not on this extreme.
Like, and a lot of this stuff is really turning me off.
Um, so, you know, being a Democrat, like I, you know, I don't know that this is the issue, but I think you're on something whereas they're not really.
changing their tune.
They're sort of doubling down on the same.
So that's been bothering me.
It's something that's kind of pushed me more towards center, you know?
sean fracek
I'm curious, a lot, like, what are we hearing at the White House?
phil labonte
What do you mean?
sean fracek
Like, as far as, like, what's the administration saying about this?
phil labonte
I haven't really heard a lot.
A lot.
sean fracek
Our White House correspondent who is talking to everyone at the White House.
phil labonte
What's the president's, has the president or has the White House made any official statements about what's going on in Texas?
elad eliahu
Not to my knowledge.
I think he's letting this rock out.
I don't know.
You could google it.
I haven't been up to date on Mike.
sean fracek
You've been at the White House, right?
elad eliahu
I have been at the Oh, okay, we're just making it up.
I did ask, I don't want to get into my scoops here.
I'm not sure, but I think there was this one house rep in Texas.
He just went on the Joe Rogan show.
I forgot his name.
He's having a little come up.
I don't know if he's one of these guys, but yeah, again, this is just posturing, like this is a band-aid fixed for the gerrymandering issue for them in Texas.
They're going to eventually have to come back.
phil labonte
Yeah, have the special session right now.
And the special session, I believe ends in at the end of August, I think.
I'm not positive, but it's it's thirty days is what I' a special session is.
And then if the governor wants to declare another or call another special session, they can.
So eventually, yes, you're right, there's going to have to be something that will happen.
But the Democrats that I've heard talking, the Texas Democrats that I've heard talking, they've kind of alluded to the idea that they're willing to, you know, stay on the land as long as it takes.
sean fracek
Yeah, because you said a lot, they're going to have to come back.
What does that mean?
You can't force someone to come back unless you arrest them, in which case then they're going to stay out of what they want.
elad eliahu
They're going to be tricked until the next midterm election.
No, right?
They're going to go, they're going to slowly get fined and then they're going to look very bad for staying out of their districts and not doing anything and essentially filibustering inevitably to prevent the state house from accomplishing anything that will be extremely unpopular.
So politically, they're going to have to come back.
phil labonte
So it will be unpopular at the state level.
Do you think that it will be popular with National Democrats?
Do I think that it will be unpopular with No, do I think that do you think that it will be popular with National Democrats because it will be looked at as, oh, they're taking it to Trump and they're giving it maybe, but I could still not name one of these.
elad eliahu
I don't know.
You said these guys are going to become popular, Sean.
Can you name one of these House representatives?
sean fracek
Not yet, but as soon as you get the handcuffs on him and he's on television everywhere, it's like Mom Dani.
Could you have named Mom Dani three months ago?
elad eliahu
When he was running, I could have, but that's not right.
raymond g stanley-jr
They did this in 2021 when they were voting laws in Texas, over 50 Democratic lawmakers fled.
If you guys recall this, they all left in Texas.
But they all came back and the Republicans still passed the law.
So it's just a big theater.
It's not going to have any effect.
They're going to come back.
The gerrymandering is going to work and we're going to move on and no one's going to care about these people down the road.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I think that I think you're probably right about the long term consequences, unless one of these state legislators actually is accepting the law.
He is exceptionally politically talented because it's like you could take someone, I mean, you know, no one thought that Barack Obama was going to be president six months before he got into office as the junior senator in Illinois.
He no one knew who he was, but because he's very politically talented, has a lot of charisma, you know, very quickly it became apparent that, wow, this guy is actually going to be a force.
And then, you know, within just, you know, a year or so, he had taken over, basically taken over the whole Democratic Party.
So I do think that as long as there are no, there are none of these people are actually politically talented, I think you're right.
But this is the kind of thing that brings out.
that shines a light on politically talented people.
sean fracek
And we're in unprecedented times, you know, like I understand what you're saying, like would you say fifty years ago?
raymond g stanley-jr
No, no, just back in 2021.
sean fracek
2021, okay.
So they all came back.
Yeah, yeah.
Or fifty left, they came back and they I just think on the left they hate Trump so much that like even like, what do the woke call it good trouble?
They get into good trouble.
So it's like this is what they see as their opportunity for that good trouble not coming back.
And plus you can be on, broadcast it every day on social media.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, that's I think that's the kind of what I'm getting at is this is the kind of situation that really does.
That really takes your nobody and makes them into somebody.
So it could be that this is an opportunity for them.
Now, I mean, I could be totally wrong about the individuals, and this really does depend on the individuals in question.
Like, if none of them are, if they're just, you know, run of the mill, you know, clowns, then they won't be able to capitalize on this, but this kind of attention could make a star of them, especially if they're perceived as someone that's taking it to Donald Trump.
Because that's the whole point of this, right?
The whole point of this is, look at us, we're not letting Donald Trump destroy democracy for the 75,000th time, right?
Like it's always about they're destroying democracy.
They're going to destroy our democracy, et cetera.
But read, you know, this is not going to make a mess.
There's going to be, I think I heard them, I think I heard the governor talking that there would be four new districts they're talking about.
One of them would be they would all be likely predominantly Republican.
One would be predominantly Black and one would be predominantly Hispanic, though they would be Republican still.
So it's not like the Democrats really can go with their normal catchphrases or what have you.
Like they're, oh, this is about racism, et cetera.
It's like, well, not really if you've got a mostly black and a mostly Hispanic, you know, that this isn't about racism.
This is about, you know, representation.
You know, does does does that make a difference?
sean fracek
I don't, I mean, I don't know.
Like, I think this story is really very much so, like, for the insiders and the people that are paying attention, the kind of the smaller percentage of people out there.
Like, if you ask someone on the street, do they care about this?
Probably not.
I think once, you know, their absence starts affecting people in Texas, like, if there aren't social programs that people are relying on or whatever the case is, you know, that that that starts falling through, then I think people would be like, you know know, start getting outraged, but I don't know, kind of like what Raymond said live in theater.
raymond g stanley-jr
And Jasmine Crockett, she's probably going to lose her seat.
sean fracek
Yeah, that's hilarious.
That's good too.
phil labonte
I think that no, Jasmine Crockett, that's another, that's someone that I think that is politically talented.
Again, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to wig out that I'm saying that, but she gets attention and that's what people are kind of neglecting.
I've had arguments with people around this table before about like AOC's political talent and someone's like, oh, she's just dumb and and never, blah, blah, blah.
And that's that's a terrible, terrible perspective to take.
Because whether she is someone you politically agree with or someone you find charismatic, she is charismatic.
And she can definitely get people's attention.
angela belcamino
People rally behind her and feel very strongly.
And she gets people, like, heated and she gets people to vote and be passionate about these things.
phil labonte
When you were living in New York, were you in her district?
angela belcamino
I was.
unidentified
Okay.
angela belcamino
And I did like her and I did vote for her.
So.
sean fracek
It's a hot take.
That's a spicy take.
raymond g stanley-jr
What did you like about her?
angela belcamino
I mean, I feel like she was really well spoken and, like you said, charismatic.
And, like, I just, I think I tend to believe everything that people that she was saying easily.
And so I think, you know, with my experience and kind of evolving, I'm more willing to really like, you know, do some more research and like, you know, and ask more questions.
But she definitely had that quality or has that quality about her where, you know, where now I'm like, oh, okay, once I see the other side and I'm able to have conversations with people more.
But I think, yeah.
phil labonte
Did you feel the same way when the issue with the Amazon warehouse was going down?
She prevented the Amazon warehouse from being built in the district.
Do you remember that?
angela belcamino
I do kind of remember, yeah.
phil labonte
Did that color your opinion of her when that happened or was it something that really did I don't remember that specifically being something that I, yeah, was super involved in at the time.
Okay.
angela belcamino
Yeah.
phil labonte
The reason I wonder is because that's the kind of thing that would turn a lot of people off if they, if it, when it's that type of thing that if it touches their lives, if it's like, yeah.
You know, this really, I was really hoping for a job or something like that.
I was, you know, I've been looking for work and et cetera.
And the scuttleback going around was, she's not in her district enough.
She's always on the internet.
She's always in DC.
And she's more concerned with being an influencer.
So that's why I brought it up.
I was wondering if it affects.
unidentified
Yeah.
angela belcamino
It wasn't personal to me, but I definitely get that.
I think people would.
sean fracek
Do you still identify as a Democrat?
angela belcamino
I do.
sean fracek
Okay, we got one boy.
angela belcamino
I do, I do, but I see myself, you know, you were saying, like, kind of more of a classic, like old school, modern liberal, a little more like left of center.
sean fracek
Do you see this as like action, like what these Texas Democrats are doing?
Do you see this as like something that the Democrats get behind, or do you think?
angela belcamino
I think what I was saying is like me personally, I see it as more of like, you know, a bad look.
Like I don't it know, I just think with the Democratic Party in general, right now, people are asking a lot of questions.
And, you know, can you unpack that a little bit?
phil labonte
You said to your progressive or democrat friends, what are the things that they say to you about the Democratic Party and about, like, your kind of evolution away from the more progressive side of the Democrats?
angela belcamino
Well, I'm definitely getting pushback from people on the left, like the more progressive, like, you know, I'm seeing a difference where it's just getting very extreme, like more woke.
And so by being more woke today, still.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Okay, that's what I was sayinging yesterday, they view it as punk rock.
angela belcamino
Yeah.
sean fracek
They really do.
phil labonte
But go ahead, please.
angela belcamino
Yeah.
So, you know, I'm getting a lot of pushback.
I'm getting cancelled by a lot of people that, you know, I was previously like having, you know, we were working together in the Democratic Party and over the past several years, you know, since this most recent election, it's, I'm getting cancelled for asking questions or not just like subscribing to this or, you know, the bullet points and the, and I just find it super, you know, being called a Nazi and a fascist.
phil labonte
Like, I'm being called a Welcome to the club.
angela belcamino
Scandalizing Teslas is a crime.
Like, you know.
And not just agree, so by not agreeing and asking those questions, I have a lot of people calling me a Nazi and fascist.
phil labonte
Yeah, I've gone through, I've gone through four tires because of nails being left around my chest in the past.
In the past month, in the past month, so.
angela belcamino
And I don't agree with that.
Like, how are we, how are we doing any good by doing that?
unidentified
I don't think that's Sorry, Phil, I thought you were someone else.
phil labonte
Be careful.
I don't want to do that stuff.
Yeah, you're on camera.
But I appreciate that.
When you said something that you said canceled, when you say canceled, what do you mean?
Because the colloquially canceled has meant, you know know, losing a job.
angela belcamino
Yeah.
phil labonte
Friends stop talking to you, possibly stop talking to you and you find out about it because they make a big, long social media post about how you're a terrible person, which has happened to me.
I mean, it's been a long time since that stuff has happened to me because I've been fairly open about my opinions for a long, long time, but it was a new thing in 2013, 2014, 2015.
And that was, you know, fairly shocking to me.
People that I thought that I'd been friends with, that I'd grown up with, that I had heard say some of the most offensive, terrible jokes.
And then they come out and say, Oh, he's this terrible person for saying something that is night and day from what the things that I had heard them say.
Um, but, but, what, what do you, what do you know?
angela belcamino
That's hard, right?
That's hard.
It's hard to wrap your head around a lot of that stuff.
Um, I think, yeah, with a lot of over the past several years, you know, with, with politics, Facebook, whatever.
So some of it is real, like real life family members and friends coming at you and, um, you know, being nasty and name calling and things.
But it's a lot.
I mean, I do a lot on Twitter, a lot on X, and the comments are really ugly and really nasty.
There's a lot of blockings.
There's a lot of I followed you and just a lot of name calling, a lot of nastiness, which I'm not.
behind.
It's like, if you disagree with me, let's have a conversation.
Tell me why.
It's okay to disagree, but you, but you can't.
You just, I mean, so that's kind of what I mean.
Blockings and name calling nasty comments.
Just, just a lot of people who are very vocal about it.
phil labonte
Welcome to the internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
It's, it's, it's funny that the Democrats are trying to cancel you, but the Conservatives think it's all a bit.
They think like what you're doing is fake.
We were talking about that a little bit before.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
angela belcamino
Yeah, I'm a conservative side up, all this.
But there's, but it actually, it has been really nice.
So I've gotten a lot of like positive responses from Conservatives.
Oh, that's great.
On the right too.
Like they're kind of coming around and being.
And being like, oh, I thought I hated you and I thought this narrative, this thing about you.
phil labonte
Your rage baits were absolutely, I mean, and they really were absolutely perfect.
The way that you would post things and stuff, especially when, and especially when you were really going for it, trying to upset conservatives, I was like, this chick has, she knows exactly what to do.
And when I remember when I saw you hanging out with, uh, it was Ashley Sinclair, I think it was the first time.
And I was like, is this real?
And then I was like, well, now has the whole thing been a bit?
Because I knew that it was rage bait.
Like, I knew the point of it was that you were trying to get real a reaction out of people, but I was like, there's no way that she's that good at it.
Has it all been a bit?
So how much of it was a bit, like, I mean, obviously you are a Democrat.
angela belcamino
I am.
phil labonte
But you just knew how to get a rise out of people.
angela belcamino
We were talking about this earlier.
Like, I am a Democrat, I am a Liberal, but I, you know, I think there's extremes on both sides.
And so, you know, sort of trolling, you know, a bit, but there's an authenticity and genuineness about it too.
But just sort of like calling out and trolling extremes and like having fun with it too.
unidentified
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
When you're like walking down the streets of New York, like showing your stuff and like, I'm fortyty and I'm ready for a baby, but I'm not gonna have him because I'm free.
Like, you know, that's that's how you raise a baby.
I might have done it.
angela belcamino
It's like, I was doing forty two child free.
Yeah.
You were also talking about that because you were talking about kids.
And I feel strong about like, people should be able to do whatever they want to do.
Like, I don't think people should, you know, your life is meaningless if you don't have children.
And I think those videos, people got so angry.
Yeah, I bet I did.
sean fracek
Oh, is the chat lighting up right now?
Is the chat lighting up?
phil labonte
I don't know.
elad eliahu
Like, as a bold lib, what are the issues you care about?
Is it abortion?
I'm guessing is like top of the list.
angela belcamino
Like, for me, like, coming from a mental health background, my stuff is very much like much like humanity.
Like, you know, things that affect human lives, quality of life, mental health related, like that kind of stuff.
But I do, yeah, but women's rights is also important to me.
phil labonte
What about women's lefts?
angela belcamino
That too.
All right.
The rights and the lefts.
phil labonte
Okay.
elad eliahu
So, what I'm trying to understand, like, Democrats, they deal with mental health issues very well, you think?
Or like, is there something in particular?
angela belcamino
I mean, I'm not sure what you mean.
sean fracek
Are you saying that Democrats are mentally challenged?
elad eliahu
Is that your answer?
No, like, the Democratic issues that you care about, and you were like, yeah, the mental health stuff.
angela belcamino
Well, it's not necessarily a democratic issue.
Like, that's why I'm more about bridging gap, like bringing people together.
Like, right now, you know, I feel like I'm at least now like in this phase of like, we have more in common and trying to bring people together and we're all human and finding that sort of common ground is where I'm at right now.
elad eliahu
Does that mean you don't have like a bleeding hatred for the president or?
angela belcamino
Right.
No, correct.
And that's I would say that's different.
Like, I would say that I that's part of my evolution.
I think that we all should hopefully grow and evolve.
And I can definitely say like, I have said some bad things, you know, that I don't know.
You know, that I don't take it back.
That's where I was then.
And I feel like who I am today is different and I feel like I'm learning and that's why I'm here and why I want to have more conversations and be open.
phil labonte
So do you feel like you had a looking back now, right, to when you were more in the, I guess, liberal bubble?
Do you feel like you were in, first of all, do you feel like you were in a liberal bubble?
And second of all, do you feel like you understand conservatives now, well, better now after kind of coming out and making light of some of the more progressive ideas and also spending time with conservatives?
Did you used to think that conservatives were a different kind of people person or is it something that you kind of like always were like, no, we're all kind of actually just having different opinions and come from different places?
angela belcamino
Yeah, I don't I think that it's I think that I can see the differences.
Like I feel like I might have lumped people all in, which is not like me, so I can see that more clearly.
phil labonte
It's very normal and very Yeah, I've heard that.
angela belcamino
For sure.
We will, I think we have a tendency to want to put people in boxes, right?
Which I'm actually very, and I say this now, and it's part of my bio.
I'm anti label and anti box, so it's more in line with who I am, but yeah, I don't think I realized.
Now I have a better understanding.
And I think getting to know people and their stories.
So I do interviews on X where, and I'm interviewing a lot of conservative people, J sixers, et cetera.
And so I would have thought the same thing, right, about that entire group of people.
But like, hearing their stories, you hear a whole different perspective and not everyone's situation and where they were that day is the same.
unidentified
Right.
sean fracek
Right.
angela belcamino
So I think that's so important.
And that's something I want to do with my podcast is really the storytelling piece and getting to know people's backgrounds so that we don't lump people and just make assumptions.
sean fracek
But I also think like the nineties liberals are in a tough place.
Like the conservative liber Party today versus the Liberal Party, like go back to the 90s, they're completely inverse.
You know what I mean?
Like the conservatives in the 90s were very much pro censorship, like, you know, like a lot of, you know, very Christian.
phil labonte
Remember the PMRC was Al Gore's wife.
sean fracek
Who's that?
phil labonte
The PMRC?
PMRC, you know, I forgot what the acronym meant, but it was looking to censor music.
Oh, okay.
sean fracek
Oh, the albums, the explicit albums, the labels explicit warnings.
They even said, I think that was the conservatives, right?
Like those.
raymond g stanley-jr
It went after Eminem.
sean fracek
Yeah, they went after Eminem.
phil labonte
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
This is this is much further back.
Al Gore's wife.
This is in the eighties.
This is when because the label on offensive records or whatever that wasn't in the late nineties.
That was in the early late late nineties.
It was when D. Snyder went before Congress and actually was talking to Congress and it was Al Gore's wife.
sean fracek
Yeah.
phil labonte
She was the leader of the PMRC.
So I do agree, you know, Republicans and Conservatives have that stigma because of the fact that that's where the Christian Conservatives were, but it wasn't just Republicans.
sean fracek
Right.
phil labonte
And I, you know, point to put those Al Gore's wife.
sean fracek
Sure, but the left was seen as the free speech party, the live and let.
The Live and Let Live, the Pro, you know, same-sex marriages, like it was Down with the Machine, Take Down the Government.
Yeah, in the nineties.
Yeah.
phil labonte
And I think the PMRC was now that's right.
sean fracek
I think the except for the gay marriage part.
phil labonte
I think the PMRC was actually earlier because like Hook and Mouth by Megadeth references the PMRC and that was on the, I think it was So Far, So Good, So What album.
sean fracek
Anyway, either way, it was a big deal when they put those big labels on, you know.
phil labonte
Mid eighties.
But it was a big deal.
sean fracek
It was a big deal.
phil labonte
And that was again, that was.
sean fracek
Beavis and Bud Head got censored because they were saying fire because some dumb kid burned down his house.
phil labonte
Yeah.
sean fracek
They were saying fire so they couldn't say fire anymore.
I don't remember when the movie came out they said fire like a thousand times.
phil labonte
And all the people that all the people that were looking to censor video games.
sean fracek
Yeah, video games.
phil labonte
Violent.
sean fracek
Conservatives.
You know, so that was.
phil labonte
Yeah, it was, it was largely, I feel like it was largely accredited to conservatives, but I do feel like it was actually more bipartisan than people remember.
And I think that's because of the fact that it was oftentimes led by the Christian Conservatives.
And that's what people remember is, is, you know, the, the, the people that were the Bible thumpers that were saying this is against.
Book burning and going after Marilyn Manson, going after, you know, heavy metal bands.
There were the people that were going after Judas Priest because they swore up and down that they were.
backwards messages in the songs.
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
Judas Priest had to go to court.
sean fracek
But it's just wild.
Like, that's what I'm saying.
Like, a lot of I think a lot of nineties liberals are homeless because of that.
phil labonte
Well, I think a lot of nineties liberals are MAGAI.
sean fracek
Yeah, and now they are.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
phil labonte
Your hat's coming now.
sean fracek
It's just turned to newly.
angela belcamino
Yeah.
phil labonte
Okay, so I think we're going to jump to this next story now.
From the Wall Street Journal, Putin tells US he will halt the war in exchange for eastern Ukraine.
Let's see.
Russian President Vladimir Putin presented the Trump administration this week with a sweeping proposal for a ceasefire in Ukraine, demanding major territorial concessions by Kiev and a push for global recognition of its claims in exchange for a halt to the fighting, according to European and Ukrainian officials.
President Trump said Friday he would meet with Putin in Alaska on august fifteenth following Putin's proposal.
He didn't provide additional information about the meeting or the exact location.
The Kremlin didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
European officials expressed serious reservations about Putin's proposals, which would require that Ukraine hand over eastern Ukraine, a region known as the Donbass, without Russia committing to much other than stopping fighting.
The offer which Putin conveyed Wednesday to US special envoy Steve Whitcoff in Moscow set off a diplomatic scramble to get further clarity on details of the proposal.
This is something that most people that have been watching the war in Ukraine kind of figured was going to happen.
So I don't know that Putin, well, the news isn't really the actual news, it's Putin saying, making the remark that's actually the news.
But this is something that, you know, there's always been the assumption, or at least since Putin's advance was stopped, the assumption was he was going to take the Donbass, he was going to take the places that are predominantly Russian-speaking, and he was going to say., okay, this is where I'll stop.
Because no one ever thought that Crimea was going back.
Ever since 2012 or 2013 when he actually invaded Crimea and took Crimea, everyone has been kind of like, well, I guess Crimea is part of Russia now.
And there are people that are like, no, especially those, you know, the fellas on X, they love to say, no, we're going to kick Putin out of Crimea.
And it's like, man, that ain't happening.
Like, you're just, you're a clown if you think that.
What are you going to do?
Like, how are you going to get him out?
I mean, is the US going to actually put troops in there?
That's not going to happen.
That was never going to happen.
So this is like, this is probably a best case scenario.
And it's also what kind of people really thought was going to be the end game anyways.
But if I understand correctly, some of the details that Putin wants is like, there will be no UN or Ukraine will not enter into the UN.
There will be no Western forces in Ukraine, which just kind of means that Putin's going to be like, all right, we'll stop fighting now until I feel like it again.
sean fracek
Right.
phil labonte
So, right.
sean fracek
I mean, is it $80 billion well spent?
I mean, I guess Angela, from your standpoint as a Democrat, like, I don't understand, like, why the whole pro-Ukraine thing started.
I really have no idea where that came from.
And it's like all of a sudden it was like you're on one side or the other.
It didn't make much sense.
Like, from your standpoint as a Democrat, like, why do you guys love Ukraine?
angela belcamino
I don't know.
This is not, like, I'm not versed in this at all.
sean fracek
I didn't, I haven't been in your circles where they had like the flags in their profiles and stuff?
angela belcamino
Some.
sean fracek
Why?
angela belcamino
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
It's easy to answer.
angela belcamino
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
It's easy to answer because it's Russia.
It's Trump and Russia, the Russia gate.
Anything, anything against Russia, Russia does, they're going to hate their whole, no offense.
The Democratic Party side is going to hate, even matter what, to do something good, do something bad.
That's why, day one, they instantly put their flags in their bio because it's Russia and they're told to hate Russia Russia because of a Russia gate.
phil labonte
Because Russia helped, yeah, because Russia helped Donald Trump steal the election.
So if you are actually facts.
If you are against Donald Trump, he's allied with Russia because he's a Putin puppet, which is, I mean, it's, I mean, it's not based in any kind of reality, but that's the narrative that the lies.
angela belcamino
I think that's the narrative, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
So, I mean, a lot, what do you, what do you feel is the proper course of action?
Do you think that this is what was always going to be the situation?
Do you think that we, I mean, obviously, I don't think we can trust Russia personally, but what do you think?
elad eliahu
So for President Putin, I think the Ukraine war is legacy defining.
He wants to take a bigger chomp out of Ukraine that he's been able to.
In the initial assault, he almost split Ukraine in two when he sent that long convoy to Kiev.
I don't know if you guys remember, but they definitely want a lot more territorial gains than this.
And I don't think at the negotiating table is the way that Putin will be able to achieve this.
Ukraine will not give up half of their country without a fight, considering how much I think they've already fought for the eastern parts of Ukraine.
And from Putin's strategy, if you guys have been paying attention, President Trump has been giving this guy a ton of different deadlines that he repeatedly just has to push back because Putin doesn't want to negotiate.
He's leading Trump on.
And I think President Trump actually knows that he's leading him on and he just needs to allow him to do so because Trump needs to bite for more time because there's no serious solution to this that it doesn't take a large amount of political capital that I don't think the president wants to expend right now in Russia.
The administration right now has been trying to pivot to the Pacific.
That's been like that's actually been the government's direction pretty much since Obama's pivot to the Pacific.
phil labonte
And right now a lot of people you say pivot to the Pacific, you're talking about China.
elad eliahu
To China.
So there's a lot of people in the administration who generally talk about that issue as a top issue.
Eldridge Colby is one of the top guys in the DOJ or in the military, I believe.
And then there's also Pete Hexeth, who's been known to talk about the Pacific a lot.
And they don't want to get bogged down in Russia.
And the type of investment that it would require to militarily remove Putin from Ukraine or stop him from advancing would be a lot.
And it would be a kind of sinking of our treasury, our military treasure in Ukraine.
So I think he's trying to balance all of this out.
I do think it's also worth mentioning that president promised, I think it was originally on day one, that he would end the war in Russia and Ukraine and he was unable to do so.
He's been very successful in different parts of the world.
Like I believe he's been very successful in the Middle East, despite people freaking out all the time about what he was doing here.
But he campaigned on, I believe, reducing or no aid to Ukraine.
And that's where the base seemed.
But otherwise, I don't know why people wouldn't start calling President Trump a neocon once more because he did allow a ton of weapons to flow to Ukraine.
Despite NATO paying for it, we're still sending a bunch of weapons that Ukraine wouldn't be able to procure otherwise.
I first see us being much more involved, though, militarily once there isn't a diplomatic solution to this.
Putin again is just leading the president on more and more.
We're seeing secondary sanctions on India that aren't panning exactly as we planned.
We were trying to sanction Russian oil.
phil labonte
There's so many different elements to what's going on here, but well, I mean, for sanctions to work, we need good partners and good and Europe has not been a good partner when it comes to that.
elad eliahu
Nor have the Indians, they've been really screwing us over on immigration fraud.
They've been screwing us over on global trade.
They've been screwing us over on call centers.
phil labonte
The, the, the, the, the, the fact that, you know, Europe has been buying Russian oil for essentially the entirety of the Russian war in Ukraine.
elad eliahu
They've been dramatically reduced.
I think the main buyers right now are China, India and a couple of other small countries.
And look, I don't I do and don't blame India because from their argument, the way they see it is that, hey, we're a bunch of poor Indians and I have over a billion Indians who need cheap access to cheap oil and cheap oil from Russia's.
phil labonte
Literally burning dung is the option.
elad eliahu
Exactly.
So like, you know, we're telling them to live in squalor and not buy cheap Russian oil.
But they are in a sense also, you know, paying for the Russian economy to run and it's a wartime economy and they're just producing arms to attack Ukraine.
I think we should keep our eyes on China.
phil labonte
So it's your sense?
elad eliahu
I'm a big China guy.
I care about Ukraine.
phil labonte
I think we should send more weapons and money to Ukraine, but our real eyes need to be on So it's your sense that there will be no meeting with President Putin?
elad eliahu
Well, there will be a meeting, but I don't think anything fruitful will come out of it.
phil labonte
So even if so if the United States were to say, okay, we've convinced Kiev to your terms, right?
elad eliahu
You can't I think this is like a maximalist ask from Putin.
Zelenskyy can't even come to the table.
This is an insulting offer.
Like think of it from an Ukrainian perspective.
How many lives you've just lost?
phil labonte
But dividing up Ukraine have the ability to say no?
I mean, I know that it's an insulting offer.
I understand what you're saying.
But if the president says, look, you need to go and talk to him, you need to be here or whatever the conditions are, I don't know what the, what, what the White House thinks that the Ukrainian president is going to do.
But if the White House hypothetically, if the, if the White House were to say, hey, you need to sit down and talk because you're losing five thousand people a week or whatever, and we want this to stop, and you don't have the human capital to continue this, and NATO's not coming in, can he say no?
Can Zelensky say no, mister President?
I'm not going to?
elad eliahu
I think this goes beyond Zelensky.
I think this goes to the Ukrainian people.
The Ukraine is still a democracy rightcy right now and Ukrainians feel this way and Zelenskyy is just representing them.
Ukrainians want to fight for their country and I think even if we stopped helping them, even with just Europeans help, they would keep fighting against the Russians.
These guys don't want to let their country fall.
They've been under Soviet rule in the past and I think their fight back is, is righteous and they've actually been doing an extremely effective job at it.
Also at this point, I think it's worth noting Russia is a much bigger country, but they're losing a lot more men because they're on the offensive.
And when you're on the offensive in war, you have to give up like a three to one ratio.
It's a lot harder to attack.
phil labonte
Yeah, you conquer than it is to be right when it comes to, like, you know, but still Russia's not, Russia doesn't have.
elad eliahu
endless, you know, stockpiles of weapons and they got some pretty big weapons though.
I'm like, I don't think, you know, pretty big.
If I'm a Russian, if I'm putting on my Russian neocon hat, I'm actually not.
I'm like very sad and not impressed at all with my military gains on Ukraine.
We're babe, we're not able to subjugate Ukraine at all.
Actually, if I'm a Russian military man, I'm like, but you're embarrassed by the gains that we've made.
And they should have been able to end this in the first few weeks.
That was Putin's original plan, but I understood that's what he wanted to do.
sean fracek
You realize, I mean, Russia is not sending their best off.
I mean, just so we're clear, like, and that's, I think, I think you're right.
I think Trump is in a position here because this whole thing was no new war.
elad eliahu
It's not sending their best stuff.
And is Russia trying their best to take over Ukraine right now?
Yes, like, I have no idea.
sean fracek
I'm just telling you, we know, we've been telling for decades what kind of weapons they have, you know, and that's where it gets really scary.
You know, you go back twenty, thirty years, a nuclear war was a big fear for a lot of people, even in our country.
I mean, Phil knows, you know, we used to do drills for that stuff.
But the point I'm making is, with Trump, the position he's in, like he, the whole new, no new wars, and we have to end these wars, like he's in a tough position here too, you know, because the American people don't want these warss, you know.
phil labonte
I don't think that the US, I think the American people don't support sending money to the U.S. Well, definitely not Americans.
I do think that if the, I think that to Alad's point earlier about where the money is coming from to pay for the arms, I think if you can sell the American people on Europe is paying American weapons manufacturers to manufacture weapons and those are the weapons that are going to Ukraine, I think you could sell the American people on that because I don't know, Trump was brought in under the banner of we have to end these wars, these forever wars.
A lot of that wasn was because of the financial aspect, right?
Because the American people aren't doing the dying.
sean fracek
Yeah.
phil labonte
Because Amer, well, okay.
So now that's a whole different context that you're adding to it.
So that's not what I'm talking about.
But the American people aren't doing the dying, right?
The financing has been the problem.
People are like, look man, I can't even buy a house and we're spending all this money over in Russia or over in Ukraine trying to save Ukraine.
I can't afford groceries, but we're spending all this money over in Ukraine.
It was a financial argument that the American people were most compelled by.
So if they, if you can convince the American people, like, look, not only.
Only are we not paying for these weapons, but where we have Russia or we have Europe paying for these weapons and they're being made in America.
That means there are American jobs that are being, you know, made.
The money's going into American pockets to American people that work at these weapons manufacturers.
And we're also putting...
Don't forget, just a couple years back, there were Russians, the Wagner Group was fighting with Americans in Syria.
Like there's a couple pretty famous engagements where U.S. Special Forces were fighting.
with Russian PMCs.
And Americans, or at least Americans that pay attention, remember that.
And they still look at Russia as an enemy.
So I think that the American people could be sold on that, if just as long as it's not Americans that are paying for it.
sean fracek
I mean, maybe, like, I understand what you're saying, like, it depends on which Americans you're asking, Nancy Pelosi, people that work at Lockheed Martin, sure.
Or me, like, yeah.
I'm talking about people in the industry making money on it.
But I think, you know, the average person on the street, should we be in wars?
Do you support war?
Should we be helping Israel?
Should we be helping Ukraine?
I think, I mean, personally, like just based on my conversations with people in my relationships, people don't want.
And that was a big thing Trump ran on.
No end the forever wars, no new wars, end the forever wars.
elad eliahu
So, you know, Sean, I think it's really easy to say.
So, like, what does that look like if we're just ending all the new wars right now?
Like, what does that mean, leaving Ukraine, not sending any weapons over to Ukraine and then allowing them to take over as much of Ukraine as they'd like?
sean fracek
I mean, that's a great question.
If it were up to me, yeah.
I really, it's not our war.
It's not our fight.
You know, I I understand.
I understand the point you're making.
And it sucks, don't get me wrong, but like, why are we fighting it?
It was like Desert Storm.
elad eliahu
I don't think we are supposed to be.
sean fracek
Like, why did we go into Iraq after 911?
That made no sense.
Like, there's a lot of stuff that we get taken advantage of.
And people in the military, I've had a lot of people, friends that were in the military, they love going to war because they get paid triple, triple time, you know what I mean?
So, yeah, there's like the economic standpoint of it, to Phil's point, but no, I think most people just don't see the benefits of war and like why people need to die.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I think we need to be pretty clear here.
We're not fighting this war.
The Ukrainians are fighting this war.
The Ukrainians are dying.
We're not going to Ukraine.
sean fracek
We're not going to Ukraine.
elad eliahu
A death toll.
We are getting paid to send over weapons.
Right, at this point.
Our money is going.
And also, like, I mean, I think I feel like it's such an easy basic take, like, yeah, war is bad, but war is happening.
And like, what are you going to do about the war that is happening?
How are you going to respond?
sean fracek
Why is it our, why is it our job?
elad eliahu
Because, because appeasing war only gets more war.
sean fracek
Why is it our job?
Why is it America's job?
elad eliahu
Well, like, we also have the United States, we also have a country that can.
No, because we have a NATO alliance with a bunch of European countries.
So, like, what do you think our relationship with NATO should be?
The president thinks we should increase our defense spending to five percent to make sure that we're the preeminent power.
But you think we should what?
sean fracek
I mean, I'm just saying, like, Trump ran on no ending the wars, ending forever wars, no new wars.
I mean, are you noticing this in the Wh in the White House?
Has the message changed?
You know, we have to start wars and we have to be involved in every war forever?
I mean, is that the messaging now?
elad eliahu
No, I think you just read into the president what you want to hear.
I think the president ran on a lot of different things, like peace through strength, and he ran on Iran never being able to get a nuclear weapon.
I don't know if you were paying attention.
And he's done it.
sean fracek
He's been paying attention.
elad eliahu
Oh, yeah, so he's abided by a lot of those promises.
sean fracek
So I'm still, I'm still, like, up in the air as to whether you're going to the White House.
So we'll see.
What are you talking about?
Let's bring Angela in to I don't know.
elad eliahu
You must have not seen my recent scoots because I just have a lot of wars.
sean fracek
Should we be in forever wars?
As a Democrat, should we be in forever?
angela belcamino
I mean, I'm also not a war person, so I tend to agree with you, but I hear I hear both of what you're saying.
I think it's complicated.
phil labonte
I don't have the answers, but I tend to not want to be in war, and I definitely would ask, you know, have questions about why we're involved or, you know, was it the argument that Trump was making when he was, you know, campaigning, was that an argument based on economics or do you think that it was a bay was an argument based on not being involved in war overall?
angela belcamino
I don't know.
I don't know.
What do you guys think?
phil labonte
I'm not I'm not sure what his reasoning for me, like I said earlier, I think that it was an argument based on economics.
I think the American people got behind it because of the fact that it wasn an argument based on economics.
Most people were really hurt in the lead up to the election.
People couldn't pay their bills, grocery prices, and they were just coming out of the shock of significant inflation for multiple years.
And so they were just like, why are we giving these people money?
Why are we giving these people money?
Every time I heard an argument, it was a monetary argument.
It was a financial argument.
We shouldn't be spending money on these wars because we can't afford them.
Why are we giving money to Israel?
Why are we giving money to Ukraine?
Those are the two big things.
We shouldn't be spending our money on this, et cetera, et cetera.
So if the argument can be made.
Look, Europe's paying for this stuff.
Our NATO allies are paying for this stuff.
They're sending us money.
They're sending money to our weapons manufacturers, and our weapons manufacturers are sending weapons to Ukraine so the Ukrainians can defend themselves.
I feel like that's an argument that the American people will say, Okay, fine, I don't care.
Because I understand your perspective, Sean, that, you know, it's not our fight.
It's not a fight the United States wants to be in.
But the United States is not over there doing the dying.
We don't have troops on the ground.
I don't even believe the people that say there are special forces on the ground.
Maybe there are CIA operatives, you know, human intelligence stuff like that gathering information, but there's not special OPS guys.
are not there.
They're legitimately not.
Any Americans that are over there are over there as privateers, they're volunteers.
They went and they joined up because they actually want to fight because, you know, whatever, they like war.
But that doesn't mean that the American people are doing the actual dying.
And that matters, right?
If you're not paying for it and Americans are not dying, most Americans are like, Okay, well, I guess I'm going to go to work then.
You know, they're going to be like, I don't care, whatever.
My friend's kid isn't going to lose his legs.
Right.
And I'm not going to have to pay the taxes that are going to this.
So what do I care?
sean fracek
Right.
But I mean, you know, and when 911 did happen and we did have boots on the ground in Iraq, a lot of sentiment around the country was, we don't, you know, why are we there?
Like, what's the point?
phil labonte
Like, I feel like that didn't really start until like 2008.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, like, and that became the It took some time.
Yeah.
And it was, it was honestly, it was a ground up movement from the people, like, we're sore of this.
We're in the same war constantly, you know?
Like, we've been fighting with Russia for how long now?
Like, it's Well, we haven't seen it.
phil labonte
It's like, wait a minute.
You're, you're, you're, you're conflating topics.
sean fracek
We're not, we're just saying war in general.
phil labonte
Like, we haven't been fighting with Russia.
Like, we haven't been, I understand.
sean fracek
But they're always using the boogeyman oran or whatever.
It's just like, you know, people get kind of sick of the whole Russia.
phil labonte
I mean, I get, I get, you know what I mean?
sean fracek
Like, it's all we can do is war.
It's like the Democrats.
It's like, we're the all they can do is war.
phil labonte
We're the most, when you're the most powerful military in the world, that's the thing that people are going to come to you and say, hey, we have this problem.
Your allies are going to come to you and say, hey, we have this problem and we want you to help us.
Like, whether or not the American people get behind it, that is part of being the most powerful military in the world.
Now, world policing, I agree.
We shouldn't be the world police, but I think that there's a one thing.
To the opposite of when someone else says, hey, come help us.
We're your ally or we have good relations.
Maybe they're not NATO nations or whatever.
They're like, we are an allied nation.
We've had good relations.
We do a lot of economic work together.
We've got this issue, this military issue.
Can you come help us?
That's a different thing.
And I think that whereas most, I would probably say most Americans don't make the distinction.
But as far as like Washington goes, they there's definitely a distinction in that.
sean fracek
It's a business of war.
phil labonte
I mean, I think that's well, I mean, that's what happens when you've got the biggest military on Earth.
War is part of the business.
It's part of the business of being the biggest military on Earth and also having the reserve currency.
elad eliahu
Boldlib, can I ask you, is war bad?
angela belcamino
I mean, there's, you know, obviously there's reasons why, you know, people are fighting it.
unidentified
Wow.
sean fracek
That's a good poll.
It's a good question for the chat, a poll chat.
unidentified
Warhawk or I mean, it's, yeah, I mean, it's obviously a joke.
Yeah.
angela belcamino
It's a good question.
Oh, I know.
It's obviously complicated.
So there's not as simple, but I see people dying.
I mean, I don't, you know, that's the part I don't like.
But obviously people, you know, there's very strong reasons why people are doing it and putting their lives on the line.
So yeah, of course it's a Yeah.
elad eliahu
For a bold lib, I'm surprised you don't love Ukraine.
Bold libs love Ukraine.
So off brand for you.
Oh, am I wrong?
No.
I'm still pretty certain this is like a 70, 30, 80, 20 issue.
angela belcamino
People are always, yeah, asking those questions.
So.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
Okay, so we're going to jump to that.
We're going to at least talk a little bit more about Trump and Putin.
From Fox News, Trump and Putin will hold the first ever in-person meeting since Ukraine invasion next week in Alaska.
President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin will meet next Friday, August 15, for the first in-person meeting between the leaders of the US and Russia since Moscow launched its deadly 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
The leaders are expected to meet in Alaska, Trump said in a post on Truth Social.
The highly anticipated meeting between myself as President of the United States of America and President Vladimir Putin of Russia will take place next Friday, August 15th, 2025 in the great state of Alaska, Trump wrote in his final in his Friday evening post.
Further details to follow.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
I love the thank you for the attention to this matter.
It's my favorite Trumpism now.
The location of the meeting was a major point of interest after the summit was first floated following a call between Trump and Putin on Wednesday after White House envoy Steve Whitcoff traveled to Moscow to meet with the Kremlin chief.
Hungary, Switzerland, Italy, and the UAE were all under consideration with Putin originally favoring Hungary according to sources familiar with the planning.
The Kremlin chief also shot down the idea of meeting in Italy according to reports on Friday due to Rome's perceived closeness with the Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky.
Following the Wednesday, Trump called the US president also spoke with Zelensky, along with European leaders, about the potential for a trilateral meeting.
So I don't know how realistic a trilateral meeting would be.
But I mean, again, to your point earlier, a lot, do you think that if Trump says, hey, Zelensky, get on a plane, do you think that he has the ability to say no?
elad eliahu
I don't think Putin wants to meet with Zelensky because it gives him more credibility than I think Putin believes he deserves.
So he doesn't want to give him, like, respect to meet with him.
I think they're going to, I think Putin and Trump are going to meet in Alaska and nothing is going to get done.
Like a bold lib at a bar, he's being led on.
phil labonte
But what do you think?
What do you think would happen if Donald Trump were to say no, get on a plane, Zelensky?
Do you think Zelensky would?
elad eliahu
I think Zelensky definitely would.
I think it makes Zelensky look like a more potent political figure if he's meeting with Putin.
Putin has never met with Zelensky.
The way Putin talks about Zelensky is like that he's a rogue state, that Ukraine is a completely rogue actor and he's a leader of an illegitimate state.
So if he meets with him, it's giving him that credibility.
And so Zelensky wants to meet with Putin.
Putin doesn't want to meet with Zelensky.
Putin wants to waste Trump's time in this meeting and lead him on more.
And the war is going to go on because Putin wants a definitely bigger bite of Ukraine because they made baby gains, Russian military very unimpressive gains in Ukraine.
Not crushing it.
sean fracek
I do think it would be based if Trump got Putin to admit that they wanted Hillary to win.
I think that would go viral.
If Trump gets Putin to admit that they actually wanted Hillary to win and not Trump the first time.
raymond g stanley-jr
Why would he bring that up when they're talking about war?
angela belcamino
Don't you think that will happen?
sean fracek
That would be fantastic.
It would just end everyone.
Everyone's brains would melt.
But that's what it kind of look looked like, is Russia did want Hillary, not Trump the first time.
Based on everything that's coming out with Tulsi and, you know, everything else, so maybe.
unidentified
Yes.
raymond g stanley-jr
But Zelenskyy is a Trump, yes.
So Zelenskyy is a Trump?
Yes.
phil labonte
Oh really?
raymond g stanley-jr
I agree with a lot.
So yeah, Putin's like, you know, he's one of the world leaders, he might be a terrible person, but Zelenskyy is some dude dances and he's for the worst corrupt country in the world.
elad eliahu
Democratically elected.
raymond g stanley-jr
Sure, they said that's what they say.
elad eliahu
You don't think he's kosher?
raymond g stanley-jr
I don't think he's kosher.
elad eliahu
I think he was democratically elected.
raymond g stanley-jr
Zelenskyy?
elad eliahu
Yeah.
I mean, we could dislike him, but.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh fine.
Either way, but I don't think Putin thinks he stands up to him in any certain way.
phil labonte
No, I mean, I think I agree with you guys.
I think that Vladimir Putin doesn't have any respect for Zelensky.
But I don't know that.
I don't know that.
I think that Donald Trump does have the ability to say, look, you know, he's here.
Like, right?
Like if he were to bring him in and surprise Putin.
Now, Putin might be like, all right, well, I'm leaving.
That might actually happen.
And I think that I don't think that's a Gatcha interview.
Like, well, yeah.
sean fracek
Like Alex Stein where he brings someone else on the show.
Yeah.
I mean, it's possible.
You're beefing.
phil labonte
It's possible.
I don't think that I honestly like.
I mean, if you really think about it, I don't think that Donald Trump would want to risk that because, you know, Putin would stand up and be like, all right, well, I'm leaving.
sean fracek
It took a lot to get him here.
phil labonte
You know, and so I don't think that he would want to.
sean fracek
It would be based.
phil labonte
Risk it.
I mean, it would be funny, but I don't think that.
I don't think Donald Trump wants to risk that.
unidentified
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
Trump's talked a lot about getting this settled and he's failed valently for the last, what, forever, since January.
phil labonte
In my opinion, it was a bad idea to talk about this as something that he could just walk in and make the deal.
Yeah.
Because Putin has all the cards.
Trump talks about who's got the cards and stuff.
There is absolutely no reason for Putin to say, Okay, well well, I'm going to stop then now.
Now that Trump's back, because I mean, the US could threaten military involvement, but everyone knows where that leads.
And whether or not, you know, whether or not the US would actually start down that road, no one wants.
sean fracek
And then I think coming to those results, you lose the favor.
phil labonte
Well, the American people, he knows, well, Putin knows that the American people don't support that.
Right.
Like we were just talking about how the American people are like, okay, well, if Americans are not doing the dying and we're not paying for it, fine.
But the American people wouldn't be like, oh, you want to risk nuclear war so that way you can protect Ukraine, which I don't give.
an S about, the American people just that would not fly.
Now, I do think that the U.S. has, I think that this is this particular engagement or this war has shown that Ukraine, or I'm sorry, Russia is kind of a paper tiger beyond their nuclear weapons, right?
Like if it were U.S. versus Russia without nuclear weapons, there is no question in my mind the United States would stomp an absolute mud hole in them, right?
Just absolutely decimate the Russians.
And I think the Russians know that.
And I think that the only thing that they're relying on their nuclear arsenal to prevent that from happening.
sean fracek
But that put to Alad's earlier point, I mean, that's if like China doesn't back them up and you know, I'm only talking about I'm only talking about head to head kind of I know, but all of a sudden you get people teaming up and all of a sudden we're in World War three.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I mean, but then, but World War three would mean nuclear weapons.
Like I said, that you're talking about military powers of the US, conventional military powers of the US versus Russia.
The Russia just doesn't, right.
Russia doesn't have a chance because Russia can't even, you know, that's not how war is fought anymore.
sean fracek
It's not fought head to head.
phil labonte
The point that I'm making is Russia can't steamroll the Ukraine.
They don't have the military might that people assumed before the Ukraine war.
sean fracek
It kinda can though.
Like they could turn it into a thing.
Okay, you know what I mean?
phil labonte
Okay, so again, not talking about nuclear weapons is the point that I'm trying to make.
unidentified
Okay, like, John, why don't people are playing fair.
sean fracek
What's that?
elad eliahu
Why don't you think they've used these nuclear weapons that you're talking about?
sean fracek
That's a really good question.
That's a real and it's scary to think about like, you know, when Putin's on his death bed.
I know what's going to happen.
elad eliahu
Yeah, well, he doesn't because he'd become incredibly isolated as a result of it.
sean fracek
Like China, you're on your death bed.
elad eliahu
Well, I don't know what to say.
Crazy leaders on their death bed.
Well, what could they do?
Is Putin on his death bed?
sean fracek
I don't know.
I mean, there was a rumor in the media that he had cancer.
Was that like a couple months ago or whatever?
He had cancer.
Have you guys, you guys heard this?
I mean, it's a story.
phil labonte
Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, I just saw something that.
sean fracek
Oh, I was like, I don't know why it's funny.
Like Putin with cancer.
I mean, maybe it is funny.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, yeah, but even if that, like, we've heard rumors, but you don't see him falling apart the way that you would imagine.
sean fracek
Yeah, right.
But he has the best health care of like anyone.
And, you know, like on, on Earth almost, you know?
phil labonte
The thing that, or the point that I'm making is the argument was he was he had cancer and he was, you know, he was degrading., et cetera, et cetera.
sean fracek
It was like rumors that we didn't know.
phil labonte
It was two years ago, and we haven't seen the fruition of this alleged cancer, right?
sean fracek
Well, you can live with cancer for years.
elad eliahu
No, to rewind, what we were actually talking about was Russia's military capacity in Ukraine and their ability to take it over, which they haven't displayed and haven't done a very good job of, but like they do have nukes.
They can nuke Ukraine.
I don't know, it wouldn't do much for them, but conventionally, they are clearly unable and falling very short.
Probably losing hundreds of thousands of Russians for a lot less than I think they anticipated to get originally.
This looks like from a Russian perspectivetive, almost like their Afghanistan.
Well, Afghanistan part two, I guess.
sean fracek
That's a good, that's a good, yeah.
phil labonte
We're bogged down.
No, it's not even close to Afghanistan because like almost every, like I can't think of a significant engagement the United States lost in Afghanistan.
sean fracek
Oh, that way.
phil labonte
They're absent.
elad eliahu
Because they're bogged down.
sean fracek
Yeah, and like waste of time and waste of money.
elad eliahu
Unable to fulfill your ultimate military goal.
phil labonte
to the political ends of it.
sean fracek
Like when we went into Afghanistan, we thought, oh, we're going to change these people.
We're going to turn them into Americans.
They're going to have blue jeans.
phil labonte
That was Iraq.
That's what we thought in Afghanistan.
sean fracek
Well, Afghanistan, well, yeah, you're right.
We turned Afghanistan into glass.
Then we thought we could go to Iraq and do that.
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, like in Iraq, it was like, oh, we're going to set these Af Afghanistan.
We'll be, we'll be welcomed as liberators in Iraq, et cetera, et cetera.
Afghanistan, it was just like, you're in the stone age and we're going to keep you there for thirty decades if you don't turn over.
No nation turns over.
sean fracek
Yeah.
And the funny thing, and after 911, you remember this, Phil, like the Americans were all on board for that strike in Afghanistan.
And this country just got hit.
phil labonte
Oh yeah.
sean fracek
And everyone was out there, ra, ra, ra.
Even I hate war and I was supporting it because it's like you just killed, you know, thousands of Americans.
So it's like, of course.
But then when it went to Iraq, that was the bridge too far for a lot of people.
And that's all I'm saying.
Like the stuff escalates and you're going to lose the favor of the American people, the more we're fighting in these wars.
That's my opinion.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, yeah, I don't, I don't think that the Americans I think that we've made it fairly clear that the American people don't support, you know, having a real war in Ukraine where the US is actually on the ground and in, in, involved in the fight.
Um, but all right, I think that we've talked enough about, uh, about military force in Ukraine.
Maybe we should talk about military force in Mexico.
raymond g stanley-jr
Let's go.
phil labonte
From the post millennial.
Trump authorizes military force against drug cartels.
Report.
President Donald Trump has reportedly ordered the Pentagon to begin using military force against drug cartels that have been deemed terrorist organizations under his administration.
People familiar with the matter revealed to the New York Times.
Anna Kelly, a spokeswoman for the White House, told the outlet when asked about Trump authorizing military force against cartels, President Trump's top priority is to protect the homeland, which is why he took the bold step to designate several cartels and gangs as foreign terrorist organizations.
The sources said that the U. S. military officials have begun preparing options for how to go after the designated cartel groups.
Per the outlet, the directive is focused on U. S. forces directly capturing or killing people involved in the drug trade.
Now, I just saw a tweet from President Scheinbaum, and she straight up said that there is no chance of U.S. military forces in Mexico.
Now, I think she was referring to boots on the ground.
Actually, let me see if I can find that.
sean fracek
Well, are you looking for that, Phil?
unidentified
A lot.
sean fracek
Do you support this?
Do you support boots on the ground in Mexico?
elad eliahu
Yeah, but I'm nervous about it.
But yes, I feel like this has to be dealt with militarily.
I'm very nervous of an outlandish cartel.
response or killing the killing of Americans visiting in Mexico or even them breaching American territory and trying to send a message to Americans.
But I'm confident President Trump is doing this lightly.
Also, like, I think we have I wonder what troops she's talking about specifically because I do believe we already are deeply ingraciated there with like our DEA agents or have been on and off for some time.
phil labonte
So yeah, I don't know.
I can't find the answer.
elad eliahu
Your president of Mexico, Sean.
phil labonte
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
She says she's sharply rejected.
There's going to be any.
troops deployed to Mexico.
There'll be no invasion.
She's saying it's going to violate their sovereignty.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, you hear rumors that there are former U.S. military special forces guys that are actually training some of the cartel members.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes.
phil labonte
Which is a terrible, terrible development.
sean fracek
And I think that should they actually be – should that actually turn out to be true, the U.S. should – I mean, I agree with a lot, like, in principle of like, maybe having like boots on the ground or at least trying to get the situation under control.
But it's like, you know, what happens if we take out the the cartels?
They're just going to get replaced by something.
You know what I mean?
It's the same thing that's happening in Gaza.
It's like you go after them.
It's like you can't destroy an ideology and you can't destroy a society's like it's a drug trade.
raymond g stanley-jr
We have an ideology.
sean fracek
We have an ideology in Mexico that they are the hammer, right?
If you mess around in Mexico, they're coming after.
raymond g stanley-jr
Can we smash their hammer?
sean fracek
I understand what you're saying.
phil labonte
There is precedent for the US to be involved, right?
Militarily going after cartel members.
sean fracek
I understand, but I'm just saying in Mexico, the people have accepted the cartels as this iron fist or whatever you want to call it.
We going in and disrupting it.
Don't you think something else is just going to pop up in their place?
phil labonte
Allegedly or ostensibly, what should happen is the US should the US go in and actually directly involve themselves with the cartels.
What should happen is the local police forces that are supposed to be, you know, run by the municipalities, they should step in and say, okay, we weren't able to fight the cartels.
Now that the US has either decapitated or significantly degraded their ability to murder people by the dozens, I know.
They should step in and say, okay, well, we're.
going to provide for the people of Mexico, because that's the whole point, right?
You vote for people.
There's a municipality.
You pay your taxes.
The taxes pay for police.
sean fracek
They're supposed to be able to understand that's our system.
But obviously, like the cops in Mexico, like if you pay them, you don't get a ticket.
You know what I mean?
Like their whole thing is just shaking down people.
So it's a currency.
It's a currency.
phil labonte
If the US should not.
sean fracek
Is the argument or are you making the argument that the US should not or you're just thinking I think I think, you know, I think, I personally think the best offense is a good defense.
And I do believe in a lot of those principles like that come out of the American First movement where it's like we need to be focused on home and focused on how is how is a narco country on our southern border not focused at home as a point i understand what you're saying now if they're if they're coming in and trying to attack us like a lot is saying like they're they're doing like it's acting on American soil I understand, but if they're like actually attacking us on our soil, like dropping bombs and stuff, then yes, obviously it's we're in a defensive stance.
So they're going to take bombs.
I'm just saying, whatever, you know what I mean?
Like they're coming down, they're on the street, they're going down, they're mowing down Americans.
Of course, we're going to have to.
phil labonte
So the death toll isn't high enough?
sean fracek
What I'm saying is when you're the bully and you go in and you say, hey, we're going to fundamentally change it.
Just like Afghanistan, just like Iraq, you can't go in and tell people, hey, the way you live is wrong.
We're going to kill them and put in what we want.
It just doesn't work.
phil labonte
The point that I'm making though is they're already operating in the United States.
unidentified
Sure.
phil labonte
They're killing Americans.
sean fracek
Get them out.
That's the get them out.
Get them out of the United States.
Then when they start, you know, you get them out and then they're actually like attacking us, like bombing buildings or cars or whatever the case is, you know what I, war, then yes, open game like destroy them because they, you know, you you want to be in the defensive position, especially as the bigger person, the juggernaut.
We don't want to be seen as a person going in and just massacring people and then saying, oh, you guys figure it out.
Oh, the local police are going to take over.
Everything's going to be okay.
phil labonte
You know, so what do you say to the idea that the United States has actually been disassembling terrorist organizations for 20 years?
And whereas I understand if you're making the US hold on hold on hold on if you're making the argument that changing a government doesn't work.
I can concede that.
But the idea that the United States is not successful or has not been successful dismantling terrorist organizations, that's just flat out wrong, right?
So a lot of people love to say, Oh, well, you know, the US tries to go in and and do all these changes to these countries, et cetera, et cetera, and it never works.
But what they're saying is you can't change you can't change the government and expect to have a western style democracy.
That doesn't mean that you can't kill enough of the bad guys where they stop and hold on.
And that's what the US has been doing a sharp decline in terrorist attacks against the United States for the in the past 15 years.
The last time there was some kind of significant upswing in terrorist attacks was ISIS and the US completely wiped ISIS out.
sean fracek
Understood.
So, So you think Obama's drone campaigns were good?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I don't think that it's why not.
I'm not talking about drone campaigns.
sean fracek
Why not?
phil labonte
Because I'm not talking about drone campaigns.
Let me finish the sentence and stop talking before I'm done.
I'm not talking about just drone campaigns.
I'm talking about dismantling terrorist organizations.
The drone campaigns were one aspect of an overall.
So it was Intel, it was actual boots on the ground like Delta Force going in and killing bad guys.
That's why there was, that's why Bagram Air Force Base in Iraq still has US soldiers there, is because they used that as a forward operating base or they did use that as a forward operating base when Syria was being overrun by ISIS and then subsequently when they had the civil war that was going on.
So like the US is extremely good at dismantling terrorist organizations and we've got twenty years doing it.
And I understand like people love to say, oh,, well, you know, Afghanistan, blah, blah, blah.
The U.S. didn't lose engagements in Afghanistan.
The U.S. lost the politics.
And the U.S. did, there were serious, serious fights in Iraq.
But even that, like the U.S. lost the politics of it, the U.S. didn't lose a lot of engagements.
The U.S. military and U.S. political goals are totally different things.
And the U.S. military is second to none at finding and killing terrorists.
And if the U.S. has actually decided or if the U.S. were to actually decide, hey, we think that the terrorist organizers or the cartels in Mexico are terrorist organizations and we're going to apply the same pressure on them that we did on ISIS.
I don't think that it's the situation where, oh, you know, we can't do anything about it anymore.
sean fracek
I understand.
I'm just saying we have to understand the position we're in as the biggest military in the world.
And I personally think like what Obama did put us way behind in a lot of those.
What about Trump when he came in and took ISIS out?
I know.
I know.
phil labonte
I mean, and it was a good policy.
unidentified
I know.
sean fracek
I listen, I'm not saying it's always the bad, the worst decision.
Angela, maybe you want to chime in.
Should we be bombing Iraqi kids?
phil labonte
Wait, yes, we should.
Should we be bombing Iraqi kids?
Could you possibly be threatening this in a more disingenuous way?
raymond g stanley-jr
Should our Iraqi kids, Mexico?
sean fracek
Should our most popular president be sending drones over to destroy Iraqi kids?
unidentified
What?
sean fracek
That's a good question.
raymond g stanley-jr
We're talking about the cartels, bro.
elad eliahu
Angela, we're talking about some of the big Libyan issues during this administration that's kind of been an eighty twenty issue for them.
And that's kind of President Trump's reinvigoration of ICE and like the Democratic opposition to ICE.
I think it was governor from Minnesota Tim Waltz said of the ICE that they're like the Gestapo, and it's part and parcel for many how many Democrats describe ICE.
What do you think of the president's, I guess, immigration strategy?
angela belcamino
I mean, being in New York City, like I'm giving Trump props on this, like from what I see.
So this is again, I know, but it's a bold lib thing to say this.
I feel like it's a bold statement because a lot of Democrats wouldn't say that, right?
Like I want to give, like I'm not rooting against Trump and I'm not rooting against the country.
Like, I'll definitely give him.
I think that's an area that he's been really successful and done well in.
Um, so I mean, I'm, I'm happy with that.
I have seen, I think he has been successful, um, in doing that.
And yeah, I definitely don't agree with it, you know, violence against ICE agents and against ICE.
So, um, and I do believe that people, you know, should be here legally and go through, um, the right process and steps.
So again, with the sense of humanity, like, I care about people and their families and their situations, but I also, you know, if they're here illegally, like I feel, you know, that's a concern that needs to be dealt with and they should like, I I wouldn't go to another country.
Like, I feel for their situations and why they're fleeing.
But I wouldn't expect to go to another country and just be able to be there.
sean fracek
You just got canceled by the rest of your Democrat friends.
angela belcamino
I mean, it's one by one, right?
No.
But like, I don't think that that's like unreasonable to say that.
I think that that sounds reasonable to me.
phil labonte
I'm so unreasonable when it comes to immigration policy.
I'm the most and I'm probably the most hardline person that you're going to meet.
So you're, you're, you're not even.
close to unreasonable in my opinion.
sean fracek
Ten years, right?
Ten years?
raymond g stanley-jr
No, but the moratorium is going to be like thirty.
sean fracek
We need thirty years.
phil labonte
Thirty years.
I want a ten year moratorium on all immigration except for zero one visas.
I want to see actual punishment for people that hire or rent apartments to illegal immigrants because the best case scenario is a scenario where people deport themselves.
I don't like the idea of ICE having to run people down and going through neighborhoods to pick up illegal and stuff.
So the best possible situation is making it incredibly hard for them to stay.
So if you are renting to someone that is illegal, that person should possibly lose their property, maybe second offense, they lose their property.
Definitely, they go to jail for their first offense.
If you are hiring illegals, you should run the risk of losing your business, tax remittances at ninety percent, so that way they can't get the money that they make out of the United States.
And of course, anyone that's caught that's illegal, they just go out and they can never come back.
sean fracek
And H one Bs because that's corporate slavery.
phil labonte
And H one Bs, I like H one, not H one, the O one visas.
But there should be a lot of, a lot of, a lot of, what's the word I'm looking for?
Pretext, you know, to the situation, right?
Like you can't just be like, oh, well, I have a, a, a, one visa, so blah, blah, blah.
Like you have to have the right ideology, no communists, no leftists, we have to deal with our own leftists here.
So, those kinds of things.
You have to love America, you can't hate America to come to America.
sean fracek
Yeah, I guess to wrap it on this, like, what does the panel think as far as, like, should we go and kill the cartels?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes.
sean fracek
Okay.
We should start a war with them.
I mean, it's essentially the effective way.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, like, you're very hyperbolic.
No, we should stop them from what doing what they're doing.
We can go in them like we did with ISIS, like a lot of other things.
America has capabilities to stop them.
We don't need to just bomb them and bomb, whatever you're saying about bombing the civilian civilian.
sean fracek
I wouldn't say that.
phil labonte
But look, the Ginsou missile is really good, right?
There we go.
You're not even, you're really, really good.
You're not targeting an individual.
You're not targeting blowing up children and stuff.
Drones are real.
Nowadays, yeah, nowadays they have the Hellfire that's literally loaded with swords.
sean fracek
Well, we have stuff from space that we could drop down.
raymond g stanley-jr
Lazarus, yeah.
Jewishly.
sean fracek
No, we do.
There's spikes up there that drop down like that.
phil labonte
No, rods from God are not real yet.
sean fracek
Okay.
I could have sworn I saw that.
I mean, that would be, you want to hit me on that.
That would be, you want to hit me on that.
That would be, you're not seeing this.
unidentified
Wait, that's what they're talking about, Sean.
They're talking about the Ginsu missile.
Like, but is that what you mean the blades?
phil labonte
No, he's talking about rods from God.
Like a tungsten, like the tungsten spike.
I mean, tungsten spike in orbit at like 200 miles.
sean fracek
And it drops.
phil labonte
You drop it and then it's all connected.
unidentified
Yeah, okay.
I understand.
sean fracek
I understand.
I think that does explain.
raymond g stanley-jr
Well, yeah, there's.
We have to stop them, brother.
We have to.
sean fracek
I mean, but you have to, like, also consider, again, like, again, we're the most powerful military.
It's Mexico.
Cool.
We've seen the Made in Mexico signs on the theoretical canal kinetic energy.
What a quality you have to start.
I'm just saying, like, we have to consider, like, what it looks like to the rest of the world and what, you know, like the favor of the people.
raymond g stanley-jr
We've never cared about what the world cared about.
sean fracek
I understand, but we've also never gone into Mexico and started a war with cartels.
phil labonte
Yes, we have.
unidentified
We did.
phil labonte
We absolutely have.
We've had military, what's his name?
unidentified
Chapman.
elad eliahu
We've had a war on drugs.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean the world, okay.
unidentified
Remember?
phil labonte
There have been there have been several times where like real Delta guys, real Delta force has been used to pick up cartel members.
sean fracek
Sure, but I'm saying we have not gone in and disseminated them to spread the word.
phil labonte
We're not talking about we're not talking about like actual like invasion.
sean fracek
Oh, oh, okay.
I thought that's what we were talking.
phil labonte
No, no, no, no, no.
There's there's no discussion about it.
sean fracek
I mean, she's saying that.
there's nothing, but the panel was saying that they were supporting an invasion.
raymond g stanley-jr
No, we're talking about going against cartels, not invading Mexico.
elad eliahu
Well, I think there's a difference.
There's a spectrum here, right?
Like, we're not going to do regime change in Mexico.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Despite their government being a narcos state, they say, Hey, maybe they got Pablo Escobar.
phil labonte
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
Where are they?
They'll submit to the good times.
phil labonte
Delta's Delta was Delta Force was involved in picking up Pablo Escobar in Colombia and El Chapo in Mexico.
sean fracek
Yeah, sure.
elad eliahu
Targeted raids against powerful narco cartel gangs in like northern Mexico.
sean fracek
Okay.
elad eliahu
Farther from the centralized government where they're most potent on our northern border.
Those that distribute lethal drugs to Americans.
to American citizens and get rich from that.
We are coming after you.
The president is coming after you and expect to get raided soon enough if you are on American soil or Mexican soil.
And we need to go after the Chinese too, because the Chinese are involved in the precursor chemicals that arrive in Mexico.
sean fracek
That mushroom story is wild with China that they just got away with that.
You know, I don't want to get too far off, but that was insane.
phil labonte
I'm not sure about that.
raymond g stanley-jr
The Parabella mushrooms?
sean fracek
The mushroom that they brought in that was like going to cause a big, like, disease or pandemic.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
sean fracek
That was insane.
That was just, oh, that's normal.
phil labonte
Okay, we're going to jump to this story to close it out tonight.
From the post millennial again, Virginia High School staff accused of secretly helping students get abortions, including pressuring a girl who was five months along.
Alrighty, an investigation is underway in Virginia's largest public school district after allegations came out claiming a staff at a local high school arranged and funded abortions for students without notifying their parents.
The claims involved Centerville High School in Fairfax County where employees allegedly helped at least one seventeen year old obtain an abortion in twenty twenty one.
The story was first reported by the WC Dispatch, which said there were two instances of female minor students saying.
school officials arranged and bankrolled abortions at Fairfax Health Center without so much as a phone call to their parents.
Under Virginia law, physicians must attest that at least one parent or guardian was contacted before performing the abortion on a minor.
The seventeen year old student was allegedly assisted by a school social worker who scheduled and paid for the appointment and kept the information from the student's parents.
A second female student who was five months pregnant was allegedly told by the same social worker that the student had no other choice, but the student fled from the clinic and did not go through with the procedure.
Per the outlet school principal Chad Liam allegedly green lit the procedures which were paid for with school funds.
Well, this is disgusting.
elad eliahu
Any I don't know they earmark school funds for that.
phil labonte
You know, apparently they do.
Any time the conservatives or the right says things like, oh, the Democrats think their kids are yours.
Democrats sit there and protest, no, no, no, no, no.
And then you hear about stuff like this, like, you know, students, five months along, right?
Like my girlfriend is seven months along, but I just imagine like five months along, you're going to abort a bit.
We were, you know, feel the kick in and stuff like like that was a baby.
I don't care what anyone says.
At five months, it's a baby.
I don't care what you say.
If I understand correctly, at five months, it's possible that the baby could be born and survive under, you know, it has to be in care and stuff, but like, it can survive at five months.
So like, the idea that, thankfully, the girl ran away from them, which kind of makes it more horrible, right?
Like, the girls like being ushered in, like, it just gives you like this, this concept of like them trying to be like, no, you gotta get rid of that thing.
unidentified
there.
phil labonte
She's like, no, no, no.
So yeah, I mean, I Like, it's very icky.
angela belcamino
Like, right?
So hearing it is very icky.
I am pro choice, but also coming from like a health background, mental health, like, this is all shady because there should be, you know, they there is, you know, they do need to have parents' permission to do anything as a minor.
So this doesn't seem like it was gone about obviously the right way.
sean fracek
Well, that's kind of the shocking thing.
This, a lot of this came out during the critical race theory and the COVID, you know, during COVID when, you know, parents could see what their kids were doing in school.
But like, it's weird.
The Democrats like are so creepy and weird on this every time.
Like, I understand where you're saying the parents' permission.
No, that's actually not the case in a lot of states.
The schools trump parents' rights.
So the school can say, you know, schools will, you know, treat a kid as trans.
If a kid says they're trans, the school will treat them as trans and won't, will never tell the parents, you know, abortion like this, never tell the parents.
It's a strange thing and the Phil's point, like they do say, you know, like these are our kids.
We love these kids like they are our kids.
And then you see like this weirdness of them including the parents.
And I've talked to a lot of educators, especially that were on the left, and their argument is always their defense is, well, a lot of these kids have troubled homes and we know if we tell their parents they're trans or they're this, like they're going to be treated like crap at home and yada, yada, yada, but it's at the end of the day, it's not their kid.
unidentified
Right.
sean fracek
So it's like, I agree with you.
I mean, if you say that, like you're a Republican, if you say, oh, it's parents' rights, like that parents' rights don't exist on the left.
angela belcamino
Well, everywhere that I've lived and worked, I've always needed permission when working with minors from parents to whatever.
So this is surprising.
to me to see.
That hasn't been my experience.
sean fracek
It depends on what you're saying.
angela belcamino
It's just a decision that, yeah, I don't think should have been done without the parents being involved, for sure.
phil labonte
Have you heard stories of minors going for transition surgery and stuff?
I mean, this to me seems like the mild situation, which is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that I'm even articulating this idea is mind-blowing to me, but an abortion paid for and handled by the school is actually significantly less I mean, I'm not I'm actually I'm not sure about that, but it strikes me as significantly less offensive than a teenager or maybe young teen getting some kind of transition surgery without the parents' involvement.
angela belcamino
I hear you.
I think like those things can like coexist, right?
They can both be I don't know that one, everyone's situation is different, but I also agree with you in terms of I don't think those surgeries should be done on children either.
I definitely think that children can feel a certain way.
Maybe they feel more like a man or a woman in their life.
phil labonte
Like they're a truck, right?
angela belcamino
Yeah.
What?
phil labonte
Like when kids are like, I'm a truck.
angela belcamino
Oh.
phil labonte
You know, you're not going to go and like drain out their blood and stuff and pull a motorway.
unidentified
Yeah.
angela belcamino
Like those, right?
Like long lasting surgeries, et cetera.
Things like that.
Like very definitive.
I disagree with those being done on minors as well.
sean fracek
Yeah.
Tim brings this up a lot.
It's like you it's like you're watching the same movie but it's two different screens.
It's like the Democrats see this as actually protecting the kid.
You know?
They see this as like health care.
They see this as like keeping the kid safe, you know, from the parents.
So it's like, it's hard to like explain to people that literally think they're doing a good thing for kids, like, hey, this is horrible child abuse and the parents should be involved.
It's a tough one.
phil labonte
I'm not so sure that there are people that really believe that they're helping so much as they really believe that there should be more people that think like them.
I think that when it comes to the LGBT stuff, especially when you're talking about trans people, I think that they are looking to make more of them.
sean fracek
Oh, for sure.
I think it's polls.
But they truly think what they're doing is is, you know, good for the kids.
And so yes, of course they want them to follow in their.
raymond g stanley-jr
So they're pushing their ideology out of it for their future gain.
phil labonte
I mean, I just don't I'm not so convinced that it's about the child, right?
Like, I don't think that it's I think at the end of the day, like really down deep, it's not like, Oh, we have to help these kids.
It's I want more.
It's a narcissistic thing for the trans people that are trying to get the trans get kids.
Oh, sure.
It's not like, Oh, I want to help these kids.
They really need help.
No.
It's I want these kids to be like me.
It doesn't matter.
Right.
really about the kid, they could be like, well, we can wait because there are even even if you're making arguments that are pro transitioning right doing it to children is bad if only because there's not enough material to fabricate the genitals of the opposite sex when they're children because the gen you know the genitals haven't grown.
So now this is not in any way like some kind of endorsement.
I think that it's an abomination.
But if you really care about the kids, then you would want to have as much material to work with so you have the best possible outcome.
But they don't want that.
Or they don't care about that.
They want the transition to happen as early as possible because it validates their own mental.
sean fracek
Mental.
I agree.
Okay, there definitely are the activists and there definitely are the useful idiots, but at the end of the day, most of them still think they're saving the kid's life from committing suicide because that is I think that that's the end goal.
If they don't transition the kid, they are convinced that the kid will self harm.
phil labonte
I disagree.
I don't think that's actually the fundamental motivation is not about the kid.
It's not about saving the kid.
It's about getting this kid to transition because that validates me.
I think it's narcissistic and I think that it's not about the kid because, like I said, there are arguments for people that agree.
Like I can make I don't agree with this, but I can make the argument that if you think that it's good to transition, you should wait until their genitalia have fully matured.
So that way you have the most material.
sean fracek
But they don't think they're going to make it that long.
They truly, if you talk to, I mean, Angela back me up here.
angela belcamino
I, I mean, I tell you, right, it's hard whenever you generalize.
Like I don't think every, like you can't generalize across the board.
I think everything is situational, but I would say in my experience, I more believe that they think that they're helping.
Like, I think it might be an overreach or a stretch or based on being older and thinking you know, you've been had.
No, but I do like, I have relative, like, I have a trans cousin.
My aunt has, like, I've seen her go through that process.
Like, I genuinely don't think that she is pushing anything on her.
Like, I think that she feels like she's trying, like he was bullied in school.
And I think she and, you know, they're unhappy and potentially suicidal.
And I so I do think my experience has been more that people genuinely are trying to help and think that they're doing the best thing, but I agree with you that it's a young age to be doing like a surgery like that.
sean fracek
There are activists at the top totally that know exactly what they're doing and are trying to further the ideology, like you're saying, but I think a lot of the educators, especially like, truly believe they're helping the kid.
Like, they just been, you know, they've been brainwashed to think this is the way.
phil labonte
So your argument is not that the educators, like in like people that you would teachers, regular.
normal people?
Yeah, like the regular te trans people.
sean fracek
Not into the line that the trans people that are Who run the schools, who are at the top of the schools.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, okay.
I can understand that.
I think that makes sense.
I think the people that are the activists that are most likely to do things like kidnap a kid, take them to a place where they can get a transition, I think those people are the ones I'm referring to.
Yeah.
And I don't think that they're actually motivated to help people.
I think they're motivated by the fact that they're narcissists and that they want to see more people like them.
And it validates their own, uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
Their own self image.
sean fracek
Yeah, their own, like, motivations.
And it's like, and it's sad too, because like, the hardest thing on the left these days, which is really sad, it's like, you know, everything you're saying is right, Phil, about like, why they shouldn't be doing it.
But as soon as you have that discussion with an educator, uh, at that level, like, they shut down.
They stop listening, they stop talking.
Like, you can bring up all these facts, hey, you should wait till you're eighteen, all these things.
Hey, this, you know, thing about like self harm in a video game is not necessarily true, whatever.
They don't care, they just shut down.
And so it's like, really hard to get through to them, and they're the ones that are overseeing the education system, you know.
angela belcamino
And like, bringing it back to the story that we were on, like, I think the social, I do think that they probably want to help these children, But there are those measures in place for a reason, right?
Like with going through the parents and you, I mean, that's it's just like, yeah, it's crossing a boundary and a line for sure.
phil labonte
I agree.
I think it's most when it comes to teachers that would help a kid get an abortion, I think that that's them thinking that they're doing the right thing, because if you listen to people make arguments for abortion, I think that the vast majority of arguments for abortion are bad, but then, because they're always like the extreme cases that are like, you know, 0.01 percent, oh, you know, they'll be poor.
Oh, so it's better to kill a kid, as opposed to have a poor kid.
And eventually it's.
That's insane.
That is absolutely insane.
So they'll make the argument of, oh, what about rape and incest?
And then the conservatives are constantly like, okay, we'll make a car out for rape and incest.
What about we do that?
And then all other abortions are out.
No, no, no, because they know that 99% of abortions are actually just about birth control.
They're not about any of the preconceived or any of the arguments that you hear made, the exceptions and stuff.
It's never that.
sean fracek
Well, you have to be careful on the conservative side because birth control is not necessarily the most popular on the conservative side too.
So that's where that whole discussion gets really weird.
When you think like when you get to the abortion discussion, it's too late.
Like there needs to be a whole discussion of what's happening before the abortion discussion.
And the conservatives will say, okay, abstinence, more responsibility, yada, yada, the left will say, they used to say, use like protection and condoms and stuff.
phil labonte
Oh, the left, yeah, they'll do that.
That's what the right says now.
sean fracek
Well, kind of, right?
But it's not all the way there like it used to be.
phil labonte
So it's like, well, again, the distinction that you're making is actually the distinction between the Christian Conservatives and the broader MAGA Coalition.
Sure.
So even more than that, the MAGA coalition would be like the Democrats from the 90s that we were talking about earlier.
sean fracek
But I would still say Broad MAGA does not support like the plan B, it does not support like things like that.
Like, I mean, Alad, maybe he can chime in.
He's in the Republican Party a lot.
unidentified
I think MAGA What does the White House say about it?
elad eliahu
What's your deal, bro?
I think MAGA writ large is pro choice.
I think Trump's made this pivot in the Republican Party to now be relatively pro choice.
And when I say that, I mean that he's moving more in the pro choice direction.
In effect, what he's actually doing is allowing the states to make their own decisions.
And leaving it up to the states, but I don't think that's a fundamentally pro life position.
And compared to Republicans of the past, it's going in the pro choice direction.
And I think that's effective politically because it's dispelling, I think, Democrats' most potent attack against Republicans.
I think for many women, the Republican Party was a little bit unappealing because of the abortion issue that could get a little bit iffy for them.
I don't know if I'm breaking any news here, but abortion's a little bit more personal for women than it is for men.
So it's a little bit of a touchy subject for them.
So I think politically it's very potent, but it's also going in at one of the traditional three stools, one of the stools of the Republican Party, which is religious conservatives that are completely unaligned with the MAGA, the larger MAGA movement on this issue because they go as far as to not even believe in IVF.
There are many Christian MAGA people who don't believe in IVF, let alone who are pro life.
So I think it's something important to consider and that could be a core constituency in the future that could turn against the Republican Party if they keep heading in the pro choice direction.
raymond g stanley-jr
But that's like the terminology?
They're just biting, they're hitting themselves with their own foot.
Like people like Little Rose or something like that.
They're telling people not to vote for Trump because he's not super pro life.
Like what are they going to do?
Vote for a Democrat so they can kill a baby in nine months?
Like they have no choice in the matter.
Unless you have a third party, if you don't go with someone who's moderately or at least leave it up to the states and move to the state that you want to live in where you can save your baby no matter what.
And they can't, you know, whatever they got going on.
I'm not a big old pro life person.
I'm okay with it.
I love it.
Go babies.
But, but, but, but, you know what I mean?
Like, what are they going to do?
They have no other choice in this matter.
They can't alienate themselves against Trump and or the Madison Republicans?
elad eliahu
I think it's also important to understand that I believe most abortions now happen via the abortion pill, which is methapristone.
And there's this one other drug, and this is a drug that during COVID, it required like a meeting before COVID, it required a meeting with the doctor to be able to be prescribed it Post COVID, because COVID didn't allow people from meeting with one another, they changed the law such that women were able to be prescribed this and didn't have to be with the doctors.
We're still under those COVID laws or post COVID laws where women don't have to meet with the doctor to get this drug.
This drug is becoming a lot more accessible.
So when we think about how abortion will look in the future, it will become more medicalized.
Women will have much easier access to it through MephaPristone.
If it ever becomes illegal, women can easily, you know, get access to these drugs despite that because it's abortion in a pill.
You don't need to do a crazy coat hanger or something.
sean fracek
Right.
elad eliahu
Which was the stereotype.
raymond g stanley-jr
So that's what's going to kill population worse and worse down the road?
phil labonte
I think the abortion abortion has been one of the worst things for No, I agree, but like, make it so easy, like, you know, first of all.
I think that it is already, I think it's already one of the reasons why, you know, it's been such a hit to the population, you know.
raymond g stanley-jr
More than sixty million.
elad eliahu
And remember the Teen Moms show?
Like, oh, Jesus.
I was, when I was younger, there was like a lot of teen moms.
They wouldn't abort the kids.
unidentified
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
TV.
unidentified
And I don't know.
elad eliahu
They still.
Fertilizer.
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
angela belcamino
It's like they're Oh.
It's still on.
I don't watch it, but I do have a little Jersey Shore guilty pleasures.
So sometimes I swear I love Jersey Shore so much.
But Teen Mom, like, they're, I don't know.
They're bringing back the teen moms from like before.
elad eliahu
I used to use that as an example.
I'm going to stop using that as an example.
I always used to say, like, Oh, they really aborted all the young women were encouraged to abort, but I guess not because the show is still going on.
Also on MephaPristone real quick, the Trump administration actually defended its use in Texas.
They're trying to not have different people and different courts go after women's access to MephaPristone.
I think it really speaks to the pro choice direction of the, at least the administration right now, and they don't want to touch this issue with a ten foot pole.
They like that.
Trump loves touching on all the issues, but I think he's noticeably leaving this one alone.
phil labonte
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sean fracek
And Angela, Angela is going to join as well.
Are you going to be there?
She'll be there.
phil labonte
Are you going to stay around?
I saw the conversation on X, but I wasn't sure if there was a resolution to that.
So Angela will be there, and she's definitely going to be on go to your super chance right now.
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phil labonte
Oh, you get free tickets too.
There you go.
sean fracek
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raymond g stanley-jr
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phil labonte
So I think there's still time to do that too, right?
If they were to sign up tonight, sign up tonight.
sean fracek
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phil labonte
You Get a free ticket for tomorrow in DC and then you'll get free access to the after show in Washington DC.
sean fracek
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elad eliahu
Sick deal.
You can also buy me unlimited drinks at the after show.
phil labonte
I would love to see you get a lot of camera.
elad eliahu
I'm not going to do anything to buy me a drink.
phil labonte
A lot.
I now I think that I just want to buy you enough drinks to get you.
Absolutely.
Same.
elad eliahu
Imagine that.
As long as you tip your bartender well.
phil labonte
You have a ride home?
Are you driving?
elad eliahu
You could drive me.
You could drive me.
phil labonte
No, you're not driving me.
you anywhere.
Absolutely not.
raymond g stanley-jr
Wait, man.
I'm waiting.
elad eliahu
Bold lib?
angela belcamino
I have a driver.
elad eliahu
I was saying on the other show, young liberal women don't get enough credit.
I was saying libs are kinda hot.
Nobody agreed with me.
And then I said young Hillary Clinton was, you know, a beautiful woman.
What?
angela belcamino
No.
elad eliahu
Okay, you agree, right?
angela belcamino
I don't know if I've seen a young Hillary Clinton.
I don't know.
elad eliahu
Sir, are you ready to pull her up?
unidentified
Oh, no.
sean fracek
Don't do it.
phil labonte
Don't do it.
angela belcamino
You guys aren't ready for young Hillary Clinton.
sean fracek
I mean, Lott has been thinking about her a lot, apparently.
phil labonte
He's been talking about her a lot.
angela belcamino
I like it.
I'm happy for you.
raymond g stanley-jr
She's happy for you.
phil labonte
I'm happy for you and Hill dog.
sean fracek
I am.
phil labonte
Well, hey, her and Bill got pretty far.
elad eliahu
I mean, hey, they had a good run it.
She was almost president.
sean fracek
She has amazing pants suits.
Great.
elad eliahu
I'm joking, by the way.
unidentified
That's all.
sean fracek
Yeah.
phil labonte
Wyatt Caldenburg says, if they arrest one of these dems, I think he's talking about the Texas legislators, he or she will become a superstar.
If they arrest thirty or more, they become a faceless mob.
Everyone remembers the first man to step on the moon.
Who remembers the fourth?
That's actually fair point.
Fair point.
I do think that the talent of the individual still matters.
Well, will actually matter though.
If you get someone that can't speak, can't relate to people that just managed to squeak in as a state rep, you know, that that will be a that will be a problem.
They they need to have that kind of charisma and that political star power.
raymond g stanley-jr
Alan Bean was his name, by the way, the fourth person to step on the moon, Alan Bean.
phil labonte
Was it really?
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
I say facts.
phil labonte
That's it.
sean fracek
Well, if you believe, we want to know.
phil labonte
Oh, God.
sean fracek
We'll talk about it tomorrow with Alex.
phil labonte
I I I I I don't even want to talk.
Plastic Cup Politics says I will be severely disappointed if not but a single Tim Cast member throws a lime green.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, jeez.
phil labonte
Yeah, there's there's there's there's there's there's on stage during.
the feminist debate tomorrow, Peep's gonna be showing up with a little bag of dicks.
raymond g stanley-jr
Now that you read that, someone's coming with one.
phil labonte
I, you know, I know.
It was already coming out of my mouth before I realized what it was.
sean fracek
Just aim it at Alex.
He'll love it.
phil labonte
Dane Peterson says, Hook in Mouth, so far so good.
So what?
Greatest anti government song ever.
Great job, Phil, bringing it up.
F. Tipper Gore, absolutely.
I'm a fan of Megadeth.
We just got the privilege.
We had the privilege of touring with them just last summer.
Great guys.
Dave was awesome.
And one of the cool things about Megadeth is they change the set every.
night.
So it's actually worth going to see multiple shows if you can swing it.
They don't play the same set every night.
They were constantly surprising people.
So yeah, go check out Megadeth.
They're awesome.
Ligma Johnson says Trump's promise to end the war on day one came before Biden green lit American missiles to be fired on civilian targets inside Russia.
Biden did everything he could to fan those flames.
Yeah, I agree.
But at the same time, like What a cope.
Yeah, I mean, his point isn't is well taken.
But at the same time, I don't think that Trump could have just stepped in and said,, hey, stop.
And I mean, you know, Putin was going to listen because Putin, again, Putin has all the cards.
Putin is in the position of power there.
sean fracek
Well, that's why it's like we're we're always in the impossible position of like trying to bury beef, like end beef.
And it's like, I get we're powerful, but how do you stop people that have hated each other for as long as they hate each other?
Like, that's the toughest thing.
It's like outside of, you know, doing terrible things and even that doesn't necessarily end it.
It just makes it worse.
Again, Obama's campaigns like that didn't help us.
phil labonte
So Shane H. Wilder says a Tarrant County judge granted Paxton's request for for a temporary restraining order injunction against Beto O'Rourke's powered by the people dot org that was receiving funds to pay fines of the DEMs, big W. Hey, look, whenever Beto O'Rourke gets his fanny slapped, I'm happy.
Well, hand slapped, smack in the face.
I don't want to and don't get the wrong idea.
Don't get the wrong idea, weirdos.
sean fracek
Phil, hold on himself.
A lot's talking about hot hilly.
phil labonte
Shane H. Wilder with the another Rumble rant.
Raymond is right about the long term, but in the short term, they are delaying more than the redistricting.
They are delaying votes on protecting groundwater and a flood disaster bill.
So, yeah.
Shane H. Wilder is from Texas., so he actually has a good inside track on it.
So thank you, Shane, for those.
elad eliahu
I wanted to mention one of these guys.
His name is James Tallerico.
He's a Texas State representative.
He's one of the guys who fled, but he's also one of the guys who went on Joe Rogan's podcast like a week or so ago and he's getting a lot of buzz.
So if there's someone who's trying to finesse this whole, you know, political stunt into something, it's this guy.
And I mean, this is what he wants us to keep our eyes on him, but I guess he's someone to keep his eyes on.
raymond g stanley-jr
I mean, if he made the JR, that's kind of a thing.
sean fracek
But I agree with Shane, like once critical things start happening as a result, that's the only way people people start to be like, Hey, go get this guy, rest him.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, water's a big deal.
sean fracek
Yeah, exactly.
phil labonte
Sheen H. Wilder again said, Remember Warren's Cherry Pie album, 1990, had a 55 second track called Ode to Tipper Gore that consisted of clips of every foul word they said in concert as a big middle finger to the warning label.
sean fracek
Look, the warning label.
phil labonte
When the warning label came out, that was a badge of honor, right?
sean fracek
But it hurt your sales bigly.
phil labonte
Did it really hurt your sales?
sean fracek
Oh, yeah, artists were like, because Walmart wouldn't carry them, like family friendly stories wouldn't carry them, because they had that label on it, and you lost a ton of money.
phil labonte
Was it 1990s?
Was there?
I guess there was, wasn't there?
sean fracek
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely..
phil labonte
They weren't as they weren't the big gigantic.
sean fracek
Oh, they were still huge for like artists, because people used to buy CDs back then.
Remember you used to buy the singles?
We used to go all the time.
phil labonte
I'm making a joke.
raymond g stanley-jr
I remember.
Okay, okay, okay.
phil labonte
I myself was buying CDs.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
Remember, I'm probably the oldest person at this at the table.
sean fracek
Right, right, right.
And the musicians.
Yeah, and it really hurt your industry when they put those labels on it, really.
phil labonte
Not as much as streaming, homie.
sean fracek
Oh, for sure.
phil labonte
So, uh, let's see.
sean fracek
Limewire.
elad eliahu
Oh, that was really good for your age though.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, very good.
I mean, the shirt fits you well.
sean fracek
Yeah, because the maps are really good.
elad eliahu
You're shredded really nicely.
Even though you're closer to my dad's age than mine.
phil labonte
I probably am closer to you.
elad eliahu
No, I did the math.
unidentified
What?
elad eliahu
No, not in a bet.
He lied.
He's good for his age.
Are you kidding me?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah.
We understand you're not a bet.
elad eliahu
But he still tours.
unidentified
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
All freaking frill rocks.
Divine.
Have you ever heard of him?
phil labonte
He's a rock star.
Still going to the gym.
raymond g stanley-jr
And yeah.
phil labonte
Still, I mean, most of the guys of my age are not in the shape that I am.
elad eliahu
He probably bench a lot more than me.
phil labonte
So yeah, my chest has never been great.
raymond g stanley-jr
Have you seen this?
elad eliahu
I'm maxed out at 185.
phil labonte
Okay, I can bench more than you.
But my deadlift and my squats are actually much better than the bench at the White House.
Eb Jones says, it's our job because we are the world's most powerful military by a massive margin.
It's not even close.
And we have every interest in staying that way.
The West communist.
the West, communism or Islam, take your pick.
There is an argument for that, right?
So like everybody that says, hey, the United States shouldn't be the world police.
Like, I like that concept, but I also like the idea of the United States making sure that, you know, the oceans are safe for everybody.
Like, so there are, there are, there are trade.
The military makes sure that every nation is allowed to use the seas in a way that doesn't, that is not particularly preferential to other, you know, to other countries or to one country.
And I think that that has been an actual benefit to the whole world for the entire time that the United States has been doing that.
So the post-World War II order, with the United States being the at least making sure that everyone can trade on the open sea, I think that that's been a benefit for the whole world.
And I would like to keep it that way because I don't know that I think that it would be a significantly worse situation if Russia were in charge of part of the oceans and China were in charge of the South China Sea and we didn't have at least the ability to fend off a significant increase in piracy from Somalia and stuff Like the United States really does a lot to keep that kind of stuff under control.
So I think that that's a net good, net positive for the whole world.
raymond g stanley-jr
Phil, a real quick question for you, sir.
Would that be like all of the oceans, but also like the seas like the Black Sea, the Red Sea, the US can't go into the Black Sea.
phil labonte
Like the US is just talking about the oceans.
Like this ocean strait.
Yeah.
Because the US is not going to if you like the Black Sea, you know, it's surrounded territorially by the Gulf Russians.
raymond g stanley-jr
Do you think the Gulf?
phil labonte
No, because the thing is it's multiple countries that are actually, you know, when it comes to the Gulf of Oman or whatever, there are multiple countries that are that border the Gulf.
So if it's an international seaway, then the US is going to make sure that it stays open.
And I think that's a generally positive thing for the rest.
raymond g stanley-jr
Don't get caught up on the black scene.
I was just throwing examples off the top of my head.
phil labonte
No hate.
Let's see.
Ian Kenney says, I know I'm late on this topic, but I was busy.
In regards to the Texas gerrymandering convo, here's a Wisconsin PBS headline.
Democrats flipped 14 seats in the Wisconsin legislature in 2024 after redistricting.
It's true, man.
Look, there are something like forty percent of the population of Massachusetts are Republicans, maybe thirty five percent, and there are zero Republican seats from Massachusetts.
New York City is definitely something like like thirty, seventy or in the greater New York metro area, all Democrats, if I understand correctly.
So Illinois is largely controlled by Democrats.
There are like at least the seventy five percent of the seats out of California are Democrats.
The representation for Conservatives in blue states is.
is almost non existent or actually non existent in many of the blue states.
So the idea that Democrats are, you know, the idea that Democrats are being somehow shut down and they don't have political power because of, uh, gerrymandering, like that's that's just a BS line intended to get Democrats worked up.
It's not the case at all.
And they'll tell you that it's that it's unprecedented.
They'll tell you that it's something that the Republicans are doing in order to suppress democracy.
It's all BS.
It's not unprecedented.
It's happened before and considering the massive shift of population after COVID from states like California to states like Texas and the influx of people from illegal, the four years of essentially open borders because of the Biden administration, there's a really strong argument to do redistricting now.
So this idea or the argument that the left makes, it's it doesn't hold water.
It's just absolutely garbage.
elad eliahu
The issue with redistricting is that Democrats can do it too.
I'm reading some new news out of California about how Governor Newsom plans to or is hosting some of these Texas legislators and they have some.
juice to squeeze out in California too.
So I think we're going to see a tit for tap battle here.
We'll see how it plays out.
phil labonte
Friend of the show, James Klug says, The first time I met Alad, we were debating abortion in a crowded bar and he started yelling at me.
I've never seen a grown man lose a debate so bad.
Human life is worth protecting.
LOL James Klug is throwing you into the bus.
elad eliahu
Seeing James Klug chilling at the bar yelling about abortion.
Trust me James Klug got very emotional about, you know, his love for baby life.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, yeah.
sean fracek
Okay, I thought you were saying, Oh, did you take the opposite?
elad eliahu
You took the opposite.
Maybe he should get one of his own, James.
sean fracek
Hey, did you take the opposite Alad, your pro choice?
elad eliahu
I don't believe in the government, I don't believe the government should be restricting women's access to abortion beyond fourteen weeks.
phil labonte
Okay.
elad eliahu
Before fourteen weeks.
raymond g stanley-jr
I do love, dude, love your advice for James.
elad eliahu
Yeah, right?
I think dude's almost thirty, no kids damn.
unidentified
Shh.
Oof.
elad eliahu
That's bold lib.
phil labonte
I'm almost fifty, I am fifty and I don't have any kids yet.
elad eliahu
Well, she's pregnant.
She's on the way.
raymond g stanley-jr
You're right down the road, brother.
phil labonte
Yeah, right.
elad eliahu
I mean, it's like, you know, they say it's already alive in the womb.
You know, in Korea they start from when you get pregnant, they start counting.
sean fracek
You don't have to put a super chat in even if you're on the show just to.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I'll I'll I'll I'll send the super chat as the Tesla is driving us to the.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, there you go.
sean fracek
Or maybe I'll just wait till I'm like it happens like surprising you're on the show.
Put the super chat in before you run to the hospital.
phil labonte
I mean, rumor has that the first one takes a while.
sean fracek
Yeah.
phil labonte
So I I I assume that maybe And then the second one just slides right out?
Look, man, I was I'm the second and I was born in the hallway.
So they didn't even get my mom into the room.
And my sister, it took some time.
So I can see.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, I like it.
phil labonte
I mean, for my girlfriend's, for her sake, I hope that it doesn't take too, too long.
raymond g stanley-jr
Sure, sure, sure.
sean fracek
Nobody ever does a good job explaining like a woman's body and bias.
angela belcamino
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Okay.
angela belcamino
I mean, you know, the logistics, yeah.
sean fracek
Just slide right out the second one, yeah.
angela belcamino
I also hope for her that it's not long.
and it slides right.
phil labonte
How's the baby fever?
You still got it, you still have that, you still sweating?
angela belcamino
Hey.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, you tweet about it a lot, is what I'm saying.
So I'm wondering if that's like, if that's real or if that's you just putting on.
angela belcamino
Hey, I don't know.
phil labonte
Okay.
angela belcamino
Like I said, evolving, growing, open.
phil labonte
All right.
Our sergeant says, our sergeant 31 says, let's reverse some thinking.
What if America allowed its people to cross into Mexico unchecked?
How long do you think it would be before American gangs were running the Mexican, what American gangs?
sean fracek
Before American gangs were running the Mexican cartels unchecked.
raymond g stanley-jr
Like the Crips, they can't make any money down there.
sean fracek
We it's actually we get to go in uncheckcked, they don't get to come here unchecked, right?
We can just go to Mexico, right?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, and they hate us.
They hate us.
phil labonte
He's talking about like gangs.
sean fracek
Oh.
phil labonte
And also, yeah, like if you're an expat or not even an expat, there are people that are just that just went to Mexico City to work, right?
Because it's cheaper.
They work remotely and it's cheaper to live down there, and there are Mexicans down there telling them get out.
They are hating on them because they're like, there's something like ten thousand Americans that live in Mexico City.
Right.
And the city has something like five, ten million.
It's like a big, big, big city.
So the amount of people, the amount of Americans that are there are not affecting housing prices.ices, but they're still blaming the Americans.
They're like, Get out of here, Gringo.
sean fracek
They want out the ten thousand.
We have like, you know, four hundred million or whatever it is.
raymond g stanley-jr
They have signs posted like four million, five million.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah.
They don't want American money.
phil labonte
They don't like it at all.
They don't like it at all.
raymond g stanley-jr
We're the nicest ones in the world.
We're the best people.
phil labonte
And again, like they're the Americans are bringing, you know, they're bringing American dollars in.
They're spending dollars that they made.
sean fracek
Right.
phil labonte
You know, when they're working remotely.
sean fracek
And to be fair, they're probably driving up like the property value and the prices in that area.
To be fair to them.
raymond g stanley-jr
If it's a secluded area, I guess, sure.
phil labonte
The problem is that there are Mexicans that can't find apartments and stuff like that.
Which is, I guarantee, just like in the United States, the cost is because of things like zoning and because of the governments of the municipalities and then the state and country more broadly.
But they're still blaming the Americans.
Like, hey, get out of here, gringo.
raymond g stanley-jr
I blame the whitey somehow.
sean fracek
So ironic.
phil labonte
It's funny.
All right, let's see.
Webhead Mike says, first day done in the hospital with our first baby, so super chatting in the tradition.
Congratulations.
Thank you very much.
raymond g stanley-jr
Hey everybody.
sean fracek
Congrats.
I just don't understand how we're having a problem with population when literally every night there's two or kids in the super chats that are born.
phil labonte
You really don't understand?
sean fracek
It's mathematically, it seems like we're doing pretty good.
We're definitely doing pretty good.
At least in our audience.
phil labonte
Our audience, yes, but we're doing great.
As a country, I think I think that I'm going to trust the people that say that we are having a problem getting people to have kids.
sean fracek
Not in our audience, whatever that discord is doing.
phil labonte
Ligma Johnson says Trump bloviates.
Take him seriously, not literally.
He might not have ended the war on day one, but if Biden didn't fan the flame, it might have been over by now.
I mean, look, man, I don't know, but I really don't think that Trump had the ability to, and the reason is because.
Because Vladimir Putin has all of the cards, like the United States, the American people were not going to support actual military action against the Russians in Ukraine.
And that's the stick that the United States has, right?
The US can do things like try and sanction, the US can do things like send weapons to Ukraine, but the real, you know, when the rubber hits the road, it's the United States military actually taking decisive action.
And the US is not going to do it against Russia because of all the possibility of all those nuclear weapons.
So, you know.
You know, it may sound nice and Trump can talk a good game, but it was never really in the cards of Trump coming in and saying, Hey, get out of here, Putin.
And Putin say, Oh, I'm sorry, Donald.
You know, that that wasn't going to happen.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, on that, Phil, just as much as I like to think America's how badass we are and we can tell people what to do and how to live their lives in other countries, Russia's, when you think about it, Russia's stronger than I would think, than I want them to be, because they're another, you know, world power.
They're China.
They're as strong as we can't just say, Hey, dude, just stop what you're doing.
sean fracek
They're not as strong as they used to be, but to your point, they're still deadly.
raymond g stanley-jr
There's only how many world powers are there?
phil labonte
There's not.
raymond g stanley-jr
I love you.
phil labonte
No, the United States.
raymond g stanley-jr
But still, I know, I understand.
But like, these guys are still pretty strong themselves.
elad eliahu
But then they could take, like, took what?
Two small regions of Ukraine, frankly.
Very unimpressive.
raymond g stanley-jr
Well, because of us, we gave them all the weapons.
phil labonte
Corey Stalling says, look at Trump's legacy.
It's amazing to me how much people claim Trump isn't a peace president.
He just ended a 35-year war with Armenia versus Azerbaijan.
Look, man.
raymond g stanley-jr
That's a big one.
phil labonte
Trump's ended that one, and there was one in Africa that he ended.
I mean, he does try to end wars.
It's true.
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It's going to be a great time.
Angela, thank you for coming.
Would you tell people where they can find you?
angela belcamino
Yes.
Thank you guys so much.
Please follow me on X at Angela Bel Camino, also on TikTok at Angela Bel Camino, and look for the podcast coming in September.
Thanks to NAG Network Access Group.
Love you guys.
It'll be on Rumble.
So thank you guys so much for having me.
I appreciate you.
raymond g stanley-jr
Nice.
Thank you.
My name is Ray Manji Stanley Jr.
I am here.
Follow me on X. Ray Manji Stanley.
And I appreciated you being here and had good conversation with everyone here today.
sean fracek
We love Rumble.
Angela, good luck with the podcast.
We'll check it out.
Support Rumble.
We'll see you guys at DC Comedy Loft tomorrow.
Follow me at Timcast News, producer Sean.
elad eliahu
Thanks for tuning in, everyone.
I am Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
I actually got a pretty sick scoop yesterday at the White House.
I was able to ask the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hexeth, if he believes the Muslim Brotherhood should be designated as a terrorist organization.
He gave me a thumbs up.
So hopefully we get some more progress on that in the upcoming weeks.
Check us out at the Comedy Loft tomorrow, and thanks for tuning in.
phil labonte
We will see you all this weekend at the DC Comedy Loft.
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