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tate brown
Good evening, everybody.
Producer Tate here, Tate Brown holding it down.
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His throat is gone, and we need him locked in for the Culture War Live this weekend.
So, I'm here.
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So, at least give us like 10 minutes.
And then, if you don't like it, then you can do whatever you're going to do anyway.
But we got some massive stories tonight.
So, you're going to want to stick around.
The first one, get your calculator, get your abacus.
It's census time.
Trump wants a new census, and he's going to get one.
Maybe we'll get into it.
Redistricting's obviously been in the news recently, and it's heating up.
Trump wants to go and he's demanding that we get a new census.
We got to count because there's a lot of illegals in the country.
There's a lot of states where overcounted, and a lot of states that are undercounted.
We got to get it right.
So, we're going to get into that.
We also have the Texas redistricting situation heating up.
We just had a memo sent out to House reps that members that have broken the quorum have to head back to Texas to get their checks.
So, it's a little bit of a standoff, a Texas standoff.
The Dems in flight aren't too bright deep in the heart of Texas.
I came up with that about 30 seconds ago.
Tough crowd.
Anyway, also, DC is a total disaster zone.
Nothing's new there.
We all know this.
It's a blue city.
But we got an interesting story.
The DC police commander was falsifying violent crime data.
So, if you thought the violent crime data was bad, it's actually way worse.
He was, as we say, in the Zoomer world capping.
And finally, in addition, we got some more stories coming, but the last big, big one we got is Steve Bannon secretly running for president.
We're gonna have to find out.
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But to discuss that and everything else, we got Tony Ortiz.
tony ortiz
So happy to be here.
Thanks for having me.
I'm excited that you're hosting.
tate brown
Yeah, well, you're here for the first, so it could be the last.
I don't know.
I think you're a good omen.
tony ortiz
I think this is the third time I've been here, actually.
tate brown
Oh, there you go.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
So it was the first time with you, though.
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
Okay.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
We were chatting earlier in the week about Texas stuff.
tate brown
We were.
We were.
Yeah.
If you were catching the morning live shows, you would have seen Tony on there cooking.
But yeah, who are you?
What you do?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Tony Ortiz.
I'm the publisher for Current Revolt.
We are kind of like a national inquirer for Texas news, Texas political news, and publish a lot of really great breaking stories and kind of insider stuff going on at the Capitol.
I've been doing it for about five years, and you can follow us on Twitter at currentrevolt or currentrevolt.com.
tate brown
Cool.
Love it.
We also got producer Sean.
sean fracek
Producer Sean in the house, guys.
Thanks for having me.
If you're still here after seeing Tate's face, thank you very much.
tate brown
Yeah, thank you.
sean fracek
I'm on hashtag giveTate a chance.
unidentified
Really?
tate brown
That's a beautiful thing.
You know, I've been pushing that since high school.
sean fracek
I know, and no one's listening.
It's okay.
But yes, thank you.
Thank you for being here.
Typically, I'm doing the clips for the show.
So tonight, no clips.
Sorry about that.
But follow us, Timcast News.
tate brown
It's true.
We got Carter in the cut.
carter banks
What's up?
Carter Banks here, Tim Cast music producer and audio engineer and Trash House Records.
Tate, this is your first tape cast.
tate brown
This is the first Tatecast.
unidentified
Wow.
carter banks
Tater to be part of it.
And welcome, Tony.
tony ortiz
Thanks for having me.
carter banks
I'm also from Texas.
tate brown
It's beautiful.
tony ortiz
Oh, really?
What part?
carter banks
Dallas.
tony ortiz
Oh, same.
carter banks
Oh, yeah.
tony ortiz
Wow.
carter banks
Cool, man.
Small world.
tate brown
Like neighbors.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
carter banks
Also, we got Libby hanging out.
tate brown
Legendary Libby.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Evans.
I'm filling in for Phil, which is always exciting for me.
So this is great.
I'm on Team Give Tate a Chance as well.
I'm with the Postmillennial and Human Events, and let's get into it.
tate brown
Let's do it.
Well, let's get to this first story from the New York Times.
Trump demands census excluding undocumented immigrants amid redistricting fight.
President Trump said Thursday that he had ordered the Commerce Department to begin work on a new census that excludes undocumented immigrants as he and his allies press Republican-led states to redraw their congressional maps to benefit the party.
A new census would be a significant departure from a process stipulated by the Constitution to occur every 10 years.
Historically, the census has counted all U.S. residents, regardless of their immigration status, a process that helps determine both the allotment of congressional seats and billions of dollars in federal money sent to states.
Quote, people who are in our country illegally in all caps will not be counted in the census, quote, end quote.
Mr. Trump wrote in a post on social media.
Guys, do you think we're going to get redistricting?
libby emmons
You mean mid-decade?
tate brown
Mid-decade district.
Do you think this is going to work out how we think it is?
libby emmons
Well, it's all, all the states have their own rules about it, right?
As we're seeing with Texas, that can call a special session and try and get down to it.
California and New York both have independent commissions that are responsible to do redistricting, and they're supposed to do it in accordance with the census, which is every 10 years.
Gavin Newsom has threatened to try and undertake redistricting with a ballot measure.
Kathy Hochul has done something similar.
You also had Maura Healy in Massachusetts threatening to do redistricting to further marginalize the entirely marginalized conservative voices in Massachusetts because of all nine congressmen from Massachusetts, not a single one is a Republican.
There are no Republican districts.
There's pretty much no Republican districts, I think, except a couple in Maine, maybe, in the entirety of New England.
I like this idea of getting a census that counts Americans.
I'd like to know how many of us there are.
I think that would be really great.
And it would be cool to see what the breakdown is.
You know, I imagine it would be mostly white and black and probably a little Hispanic as well in terms of like what the majority citizenry is.
sean fracek
I got an idea.
libby emmons
That would be pretty interesting to hear.
sean fracek
I got an opposite take on this.
I don't think illegals were ever filling out the census to begin with.
I think like, I agree.
I do want to see the census.
I want to see the census more from the fact of what the actual COVID numbers were because some people were saying, you know, million deaths.
libby emmons
COVID numbers.
sean fracek
Oh, and some people, you know, people on the left were saying more people are dying from COVID.
People on the right saying less people are dying for COVID.
So I'm more interested in that.
But I don't think illegal immigrants ever took the census.
libby emmons
Well, no, there was a huge push in 2020.
And I think under Obama for immigrants, illegal immigrants to fill out the census.
tony ortiz
They were even putting it in the city.
libby emmons
It was a huge deal.
tony ortiz
They were actively asking immigrants and Hispanics to fill this thing out.
libby emmons
And it specifically didn't have the citizenship question.
tony ortiz
I made a big deal about it.
sean fracek
Understood, but you have to understand these people are here illegally.
They don't trust police at all.
You know what I mean?
I mean, I understand what you're saying.
I'm Barack Obama.
Oh, I'm cool.
I play basketball or whatever.
Just because, you know, like, they're not going to trust him.
You know what I mean?
libby emmons
The form is closed to yourself.
sean fracek
You just put your name down.
libby emmons
And then you just send it in.
carter banks
Yeah, they came.
Or the door.
tony ortiz
Yeah, it was about the census.
Yeah, they were going over the door.
sean fracek
They just don't answer your door.
libby emmons
But that's not, I mean, I'm sure some illegal immigrants did not take the census, but I bet a bunch of them did.
sean fracek
It's going to be interesting to find out.
libby emmons
I mean, in terms of Texas, I'm super interested about redistricting what that would look like because didn't Texas get like 1.3 million more people or something since 2020?
tony ortiz
And, you know, it's going to be a big deal.
We're supposed to pick up, I think it was like five more seats.
libby emmons
Well, that's the idea.
tony ortiz
Republican seats off.
libby emmons
Do you think it's going to work or do you think it's going to backfire?
tony ortiz
You mean the redistricting?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tony ortiz
They're going to get it.
Yeah.
This is all posturing by the Democrats.
Like they've done this before where they've left the state twice.
They fled, right?
In 2000, I think it was like 2002, they fled for redistricting them.
And we still got it passed.
And then in 2000, I think it was 20, Republicans were passing laws for more strict voter restriction laws and voter identification laws.
And they left claiming that was racist, of course.
And we got that passed.
And now they're doing it again.
And we're going to get it passed.
They're using it as a fundraiser.
And of course, Republicans are too, but Democrats are using this as a fundraiser way to show that they're fighting because this is a very big deal.
sean fracek
How much do you trust the data?
Maybe Tate, you can answer.
I don't know.
How much do you actually trust the census?
tate brown
It's difficult to trust the census data.
We actually have it here.
This was from Aiden Buzzetti.
He was commentating on this today.
The 2020 census significantly overcounted blue states and undercounted red states.
Rhode Island and Minnesota both kept a seat they shouldn't have or they should have lost.
Colorado got a new seat they shouldn't have at all.
Florida lost out on two seats, Texas on one.
You can see here, I mean, among overcounts, they're saying Hawaii, Utah, Minnesota, Ohio, Delaware, New York, Rhode Island, Massachusetts.
Obviously, Ohio and Utah are the only red states there.
And as far as undercounts go, we had Texas, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida, and Illinois.
Illinois being the only blue state.
So if you look at overcounts and undercounts, this obviously favored Democrats quite heavily.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think it often favors Democratic states heavily, you know, and I think Democratic states are also the ones where you have the most illegal immigrants, right?
California, New York, Illinois.
You can throw in Texas and Florida for like the odd ones out.
sean fracek
Yeah, I mean, I just don't even trust the government to run the government.
I mean, they're always running out of money.
libby emmons
Well, sure.
I mean, you're going to be blackpilling.
That's the kind of thing you're doing.
sean fracek
You know what I'm just saying?
Like, I don't trust them to do anything, like construction, running companies, like literally anything.
They don't.
libby emmons
They're not supposed to run any companies.
sean fracek
So, like, I guess maybe, Olivia, since you're the smartest of us, how does the census data actually work?
Is it like the old school rating system where it's like they sample like a small sample and like expound it?
libby emmons
no, it's literally they try and count every single person with a form.
So they go, like Carter was saying, they go door to door.
They go to every house.
carter banks
Without home, they'll come back.
libby emmons
Right.
And also, like, if you don't fill out your census by mail, they'll come find you and they try and count every single person.
One thing that's been really interesting about the census is how they keep changing the questions, right?
So citizenship used to be on the census and now it's not.
I think that's right, Tony.
And then you also have a situation where they used to ask race differently, right?
Like, I don't remember what those questions were, but I know race used to be asked in different forms.
tony ortiz
Race or ethnicity.
libby emmons
Yeah.
And so now it's like, I think you can fill out Asian American Pacific Islander, which I don't know how all of those things are the same.
That seems very weird.
tate brown
Well, they do it now where it's these broad categories and you can identify yourself with the sub.
So like you could do Asian Pacific Islander, but then you can say I'm Laotian.
But a lot of people don't bother with the second part.
And so it ends up.
libby emmons
But they also, they don't have, like, I remember filling out the census in 2020 and there was white and non-Hispanic white.
tate brown
Right.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like when I buy a firearm in Texas, I have to fill out a form each time.
And it, like, I have no choice but to fill out white.
And I was joking with the guy always.
libby emmons
You have to fill out your race to buy a firearm army.
tony ortiz
Yeah, you do a background check.
Yeah, I know, right?
Yeah.
Democrats think you can just walk in and just grab a firearm.
It's not that easy.
libby emmons
But plus, like, why does the government need to know the race of the people buying weapons?
tony ortiz
Well, I assume it's for like when you commit if you commit a crime, right?
And that's what I was talking about with the guy at the shop.
I was like, so I'm filling this out and I have to fill out white in this portion.
And this portion just says white.
And I said, so if I were to commit a crime with this, would it be labeled as a white crime?
And he's like, yeah, and I'm very clearly brown, right?
And it was just very odd.
tate brown
They even, like, if you're like Egyptian, you identify white.
Like, most Arab and Middle East and North African also identify as.
libby emmons
Like a lot of Cubans identify as white also.
tate brown
Well, that's the whole idea of Hispanic as a categorization is just totally redundant because it's like Leon Messi is 100% Italian, but he classifies as Latino.
If his parents moved to, or if his grandparents moved to New Jersey, he would be white.
sean fracek
So it's like, what's going on?
libby emmons
Spaniards come here.
It's like, no, now you're Mexican.
sean fracek
They should have done Latino or Latinx.
And then we'd see which one they, you know what I mean?
Which one actually people prefer?
And I don't think it's Latinx.
I mean, Tony knows.
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't think it's Latin.
tony ortiz
You talk to most Hispanics.
They don't buy it.
sean fracek
They don't even know what it is.
tony ortiz
They actually, it's funny, the left like created like colonization of the language.
sean fracek
Yeah.
tony ortiz
So you kind of like flip that on them.
It's like, oh, you're colonizing the Spanish language.
libby emmons
Oh, that's fascinating.
It's like it is appropriation.
It is colonialist to remake the language to get rid of the feminine or masculine.
tony ortiz
Yeah, it's all these white liberals pushing it.
libby emmons
Every time.
tony ortiz
This is so crazy.
sean fracek
Every time.
Latinx.
So what do you think, Tate?
What's the chat saying about the census?
Do they trust the government?
tate brown
Well, I don't think it's, I mean, you think you have to trust the government in this situation.
What are you going to do?
Not have a census.
libby emmons
I think we do need a census, and I think that there should be a citizenship question.
And I think we need to know how many Americans there are.
And then I think that House of Representatives apportionment should be based on the number of citizens and not just the number of people.
tate brown
Right.
Well, you had the, I mean, you had in 2019 when Trump tried to do this the first time.
The Supreme Court said, no, this is not a matter of law.
We're not resolving a constitutional quagmire.
This is politically motivated.
This go around since hypothetically Trump has five years to get this done.
He can take his time here.
They can actually put together a really good case to circumvent any court intervention.
tony ortiz
Democrats don't want this, right?
There was this account, Refined Populist on Twitter, and they were saying that if they do this and they properly measure for the seats, it could cost Democrats 42 seats.
Right.
And so this is brutal for them if they lose this.
libby emmons
The last time citizenship was on the census was 1950.
unidentified
Wow.
sean fracek
How interesting.
Yeah.
I guess it kind of kind of calls BS a little bit on our technology because don't you think at this point we should be beyond the fact of somebody having to knock on a door?
libby emmons
No, I think that's the best way to do a count.
We don't have satellites.
carter banks
They already know the number that you're supposed to give them.
They just want to see if you got it.
sean fracek
Okay.
libby emmons
Oh, okay.
Do you want to file your taxes and you get it wrong?
carter banks
Exactly.
libby emmons
And they're like, we know how much you owe.
sean fracek
But what about like the satellites orbiting Earth that can literally just look right into homes?
We don't have that tech.
I thought we had that tech.
libby emmons
I think that paper is a good way to do it.
And I think all our voting should be on paper and properly tallied by counting papers.
sean fracek
We saw how that happened with the 2020 election.
libby emmons
No, they didn't do that.
That was mail-in balloting.
sean fracek
It was very easy.
Oh, yeah, the mail-in.
Okay.
It's still paper-based, though.
libby emmons
Well, Nancy Pelosi came out in like, what, April or May of that year of 2020 and was like, we're going to have to do all mail-in ballots to protect us from COVID.
And I remember.
tony ortiz
Was Nancy Mace?
libby emmons
No, Nancy Pelosi.
Did I say Nancy Mace?
sean fracek
It wasn't just, it was all of them.
tony ortiz
You're Nancy.
libby emmons
My ear is a mess, so I don't hear anything.
carter banks
I'm not going to vote in person in 2020.
That's wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
What?
carter banks
I still voted in person in 2020.
libby emmons
I didn't vote in person too, and there was like nobody there.
tate brown
Well, that was kind of like the Republicans shot themselves in the foot for a while because they were like, only vote in person and only vote on election day.
That's how we stick it to them.
tony ortiz
Oh, it's such a bad idea.
tate brown
They would just like knock out one election.
The cost is like $10,000.
tony ortiz
The worst thing they push is that everybody should vote on election day.
Like you should early vote.
Yeah, absolutely.
sean fracek
I would challenge you on that, Date, a little bit and say, how do you know?
How do you know that that was a bad strategy?
Because are you of the opinion that maybe the counts are maybe messed with?
Well, I mean, we have out of our control.
tate brown
Multiple underwhelming midterm results.
And I mean, I guess you could attribute it to some nefarious.
libby emmons
No, go ahead.
tony ortiz
Sorry.
In Houston, they had an issue in Texas where they ran out of like ballots and some places shut down on voting days.
So you actually had a lot of Republicans that allegedly didn't get a chance to vote because they all stupidly waited until voting day.
You have like, what, five weeks, five days of early vote?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tony ortiz
There's plenty of time to early vote.
And I think even in Texas, a lot of offices will, businesses will give the employees off to like go vote.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
tony ortiz
They'll give you extra time.
You don't have to just go on your lunch.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think some places it's even like a holiday, right?
tony ortiz
For some places.
sean fracek
I kind of support Twitter polls.
I think that's, I think, listen.
I think that's just as good as the government.
No, that's just as good as the government.
The government is a lot.
libby emmons
It's ridiculous because you can't be all Americans to have a Twitter account unless you federalize Twitter, and that's a crap idea.
sean fracek
Well, Elon took everyone's ID so he knows who's American and who isn't, so we can actually take those.
libby emmons
But that's only the limited number of people who are on Twitter.
sean fracek
I'm just saying.
tate brown
If Twitter.
sean fracek
I trust Elon more than the government.
tate brown
If Twitter with its hundreds of millions of views.
If they left it to only Americans with their hundreds of millions of accounts on X, there would be like 10,000 Americans on there.
libby emmons
Let's be honest.
I don't trust the government.
sean fracek
That's what I mean.
So it'll be like a 5,000 yes.
carter banks
Let's get all the people that went to Blue Sky back on Twitter.
Oh, and not to get back on to vote.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
tate brown
And if X had, I mean, the American Party would wash everyone out of the water.
I mean, are you kidding me?
It's a.
sean fracek
I think Mackey was ahead of his time.
I'm just saying.
libby emmons
Who Doug Mackey?
sean fracek
Yeah, I think he was ahead of his time.
libby emmons
Yeah.
sean fracek
I think there's going to be a text to vote soon.
tony ortiz
Is that what he's saying?
sean fracek
Oh, that was a good idea.
libby emmons
I don't think there will be a text to solve.
sean fracek
I think it's going to be.
I think it's going to be like American Idol and every other reality show eventually.
libby emmons
I certainly hope the federal government doesn't become more of a reality show than it already is.
sean fracek
You literally have a reality show president.
tate brown
Well, let's jump.
libby emmons
That's why I said more of.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I'm not as good as Tim as like breaking the business.
libby emmons
I'd be louder.
sean fracek
Yes, sir.
unidentified
All right.
tate brown
All right.
The next story, we got a big story here.
This is out of Texas.
Burrow, Dustin Burrow, the speaker, he just sent a memo out to House reps saying that quorum-breaking members must pick up their pay in person via check.
No direct deposit allowed.
Guys, this is hilarious.
libby emmons
That would bring me back to the state.
tony ortiz
Super funny.
Well, to cover that, it's only like 700 bucks a month.
Oh, and a lot of these reps are very like independently wealthy.
libby emmons
Where do they get their money?
tony ortiz
Right.
So, you know, well, you know, a lot of them are lawyers or real estate agents and things like that.
But I was talking to one of my favorite staffers and she was like, well, actually, a lot of these Democrats are like broke as heck, actually.
So they're living off of this like $700, $600 stipend that they get every month.
So you actually, you may see some come back.
But you've also got a bigger issue where you've got a lot of these lefty nonprofits that are actively funding these Democrats fleeing our state, which has been a huge issue.
The Beto Roricks nonprofit, was it powered by the people, was actively soliciting Democrats to leave the state.
And they were like, we'll fund you.
We will give you money.
We'll pay for your hotel, your lodging, your travel.
And now Attorney General Ken Paxson is pursuing that and Governor Greg Abbott as like a bribery issue, right?
Because that is an issue.
If you're paying people to break quorum, like you're bribing them to do something and it becomes a federal issue where it's happening across state lines because they're fleeing to Illinois, New York, and other people.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
It is.
tony ortiz
And so, like, this is a genuine problem for Democrats.
And I don't think that they thought far enough ahead.
And the whole thing, they're going to pass this redistricting.
And I just don't think that Democrats really, really planned this out very well.
libby emmons
Do you think it's a good thing this redistricting?
tony ortiz
Absolutely.
And, you know, you kind of look at the current maps.
They're already kind of goofy and they're complaining about these new maps.
And of course, they're always going with the racist thing.
And the racist thing is so tried out.
Like, nobody cares.
libby emmons
That's what Jasmine Crockett keeps going on.
tony ortiz
Yeah, of course.
And of course she is.
And then the bigger issue is that, especially Hispanic men in Texas, the Browns, like they're supporting Republicans now.
Like the Democrats are losing this voting base of Hispanics.
And I don't think they know how to cope with that.
They're going to be left with just kind of like the blacks and the white liberals as like Hispanics start to trend more to vote Republican.
And Democrats are just bored with, or I'm sorry, Hispanics are just bored with the rhetoric from Democrats and the weird stuff with the LGBTQ nonsense.
sean fracek
Yeah.
I mean, I agree with them docking their pay.
They shouldn't be getting paid if they're not doing their job.
I mean, it's a huge slap in the face to everyone that has to, you know, work a job every day.
And it's our money that they're stealing, essentially.
So yeah, definitely not paying them, I think, makes sense.
But like you say, it's not a lot of money to them.
And they're getting more money hiding out in Illinois from the governor and all the whatever else, wherever they're hanging in the hotels and five-star stuff and the five-star treatment.
So like, I don't think it does much, but it's, you know, it's something to get them back.
Arresting them, I don't like it either because they want to get arrested.
You know, we were talking about that would be a market.
They want that.
They're like, oh my God, I've gone viral.
This is my five minutes of fame or whatever.
And it's like, no, like, so like, what is the solution?
libby emmons
Plus, then you get more Gavin Newsome.
You get more J.B. Pritzker.
You get more Ahealy.
tony ortiz
The solution is removing them from their seat.
It's like, okay.
libby emmons
And that would come back to you.
sean fracek
Legally, I thought they needed 100 in Texas.
tate brown
Well, that's, we had this story from the Texas Tribune.
Paxton asks Illinois courts and force Texas arrest warrants against Democrats who left the state.
Obviously, this kind of seems like a bit of a long shot to try and get Illinois to enforce this.
Maybe some sort of federal mechanism that could be used.
I don't know, but I don't know.
I think this could backfire to some degree on Republicans because there'd be nothing greater than being prosecuted by Trump and be part of the resistance and that sort of thing.
sean fracek
And they need 100 to do business, right?
Because we had Briscoe on the show.
tony ortiz
Well, if you vacate a seat, I think it removes that quorum requirement.
sean fracek
Okay.
tony ortiz
So like it's so interesting.
Yes, exactly.
So I believe so.
I could be wrong.
sean fracek
I mean, Briscoe said, we had Briscoe on, and he said, you need 100 to do business.
tony ortiz
Yeah, you do.
But I believe the seat gets vacated.
If they remove them from the seat, again, I could be wrong.
I believe it doesn't go toward.
Maybe that doesn't count towards the.
Yeah, so maybe somebody can Patriot fact check that.
libby emmons
That's true in the house.
sean fracek
Patriot check.
Patriot check.
unidentified
I love it.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
sean fracek
Yeah, so we'll see.
tony ortiz
But to what you're saying, you're right.
It's an absolute amazing fundraising opportunity.
Like you went, if you're a Democrat, I went to jail for you.
tate brown
Exactly.
tony ortiz
Right.
And like, they'll be in jail for like, what, a week at most?
sean fracek
Like, maybe.
tony ortiz
If even if that even happens, right?
Like, absolutely.
So they want to be jailed.
libby emmons
And then they'll sue.
tony ortiz
Yeah, and then they'll sue and they'll fundraise off that.
sean fracek
So what is the solution then, Libby?
libby emmons
What is the solution?
sean fracek
If arrest isn't going to work and docking their pay isn't going to work, what do we do?
libby emmons
I think docking their pay probably might work.
I think that's going to, I think that will probably get people back.
sean fracek
Really?
I think so.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I think also people have responsibilities at home.
They can't just stay away forever.
sean fracek
Yeah, they're Democrats.
They don't have a family.
tony ortiz
I think it was Senator Mays Middleton in Texas and actually Briscoe Kane in the House that introduced bills that if you are, if you have, I think it was seven or ten consecutive unexcused absences that you automatically vacate your seat.
sean fracek
Can you imagine how many?
How many is that again?
tony ortiz
I think it was like seven or ten.
sean fracek
Like most jobs, it's two or three.
tony ortiz
Right.
sean fracek
And you're out.
libby emmons
Yeah, there's definitely been like over COVID and stuff, people refusing to come in.
There was a there was a city council person in Worcester, Massachusetts who was like, I was discriminated against because I'm not binary.
I can't come to work anymore.
And somehow she still kept her position for a very long time.
sean fracek
I have nothing but disdain for government workers.
We don't have to get into it on this show, maybe in the after show, but I got big problems.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
libby emmons
Well, the people who actually are government servants, I think that's important.
sean fracek
Servant?
I wouldn't use that word.
libby emmons
That's their post office.
sean fracek
I had to go to the post office recently.
Someone that does nothing.
libby emmons
Well, the government is there to serve us and we have to remember that.
tate brown
You want to be dehumanized?
You go to the DMV.
Oh, my God.
sean fracek
And even they're like an example of a good government employee because at least They have to during COVID.
carter banks
You could at least make an appointment, and they were like really strict about being on time.
But yeah, other than that.
sean fracek
At least they're there in the office.
Most government employees aren't even in the office.
tony ortiz
I went to the post office recently, and like nobody speaks English.
There's like one person at the desk, there's 20 people in line.
Everybody looks like they want to kill themselves.
Oh, it was horrible.
sean fracek
It has to be racially diverse by the government standards in local government.
If you don't have a certain amount of percentage under the Democrats, you didn't get funding.
tony ortiz
Is that why it's not that in the post office?
libby emmons
No, they got rid of that.
Trump just got rid of it.
sean fracek
Under the Democrats.
Yeah, now it's gone.
Thank you.
Bring back tests of meritocracy to like to pitch anything to any local government to get any kind of work with them in any capacity.
It's like you had to be like 40% women, you know, 30%.
unidentified
You had to show it.
libby emmons
It certainly depends on the locality.
Certainly depends on that.
And like if it's a contract or something.
sean fracek
Even in Democrat cities and regions, it's still that way.
tony ortiz
Yeah, in Dallas, we had a thing where you get access to earlier bids, like early access to bids for government projects if you are a minority-based business.
So I've met business owners that like I knew this business owner that his wife was black and obviously female, and he knows she worked for a tech, he owned a tech company.
She knew nothing about technology, but he literally just put it in her name so that he couldn't.
So it could be the MW women-owned black business.
carter banks
I'm sure you can get all maxing.
tony ortiz
Yeah, yeah.
libby emmons
That's a huge thing.
Like in New York, too, with contracts for any city work, you have to have to submit for like a, you know, an architectural construction engineering project.
You have to meet all of these quotas.
And a lot of there's a lot of projects that are you're you can only submit for if you are a certified minority or women-owned business.
tony ortiz
No, you know what I'm curious about, though.
It's like Texas is now starting to trend.
I think Hispanics are the majority in Texas.
So like if you're a white, do you qualify now for minority benefits?
That would be awesome.
That would be funny.
libby emmons
They cut Asians.
They said Asians are not minorities for these purposes because the engineering, construction, engineering, and architecture fields are already too full of Asians.
So if you're Asian, you're not a minority.
tony ortiz
What's the school labeling Asians as white?
libby emmons
Yeah.
Wasn't Harvard doing that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, it's like if you live in Hawaii and it's like 15% white and then you're getting discriminated against anytime I meet someone that's from Harvard, I'll be like, so you hate Asians?
sean fracek
Oh, the Jews?
No, the Asians are like way out.
tate brown
Yeah, they need to start screwing up some few of the math problems so they can get back in the minority.
sean fracek
Exactly, exactly.
Like pretend like you're stupid.
tate brown
I don't know.
sean fracek
I don't know what.
tate brown
Yeah, I don't know.
sean fracek
Just two is fine.
tate brown
Yeah, exactly.
That's the woke stuff.
That's on them.
That's you can't.
You learn this when you work retail: you got to be just right above average, but not like good at your job.
You just got to be like right in that sweet spot.
They're learning the hard way.
You can't go too hard in the paint, right?
sean fracek
Now we know what kind of employee Tate is.
tate brown
Well, yeah, that might have been a mask off moment.
But we got another story here from the post-millennial DC police commander placed on leave over deliberately falsifying crime data.
As attention has turned to Washington, D.C. and crime in the district in the wake of a former Doge employee being attacked, it has been revealed that a commander with the Metropolitan Police Department was placed on paid administrative leave in mid-May after being accused of falsifying crime data.
Commander Michael Pullium, Pillium, Pooleum?
libby emmons
I think it's Pullium.
But if you scroll down, look at what the police union had said about this guy.
Wait, wait.
sean fracek
Libby wrote it.
libby emmons
No, I didn't.
Hannah wrote it.
There it is.
When our members respond to the scene of a felony offense where there is a victim, no, scroll back up.
tate brown
Where is that?
libby emmons
Where there is a victim reporting that a felony occurred, inevitably, there will be a lieutenant or a captain that will show up on that scene and direct those members to take a report for a lesser offense.
So instead of taking a report for a shooting or a stabbing or a carjacking, they will order that officer to take a report for a theft or an injured person to the hospital or a felony assault, which is not the same type of classification.
So what they're saying is when there's a crime, a captain will show up when the police are doing their job and be like, you know what?
This wasn't a carjacking.
unidentified
This was just pushing somebody down.
tony ortiz
So what's the motivation for that?
libby emmons
The motivation for that would be to have a decrease in criminal staff.
sean fracek
And then you get more money.
libby emmons
Then, well, then it doesn't look like your city's that bad.
tony ortiz
Oh, so now, like, oh, the Democrats are doing a good job.
libby emmons
Like, the Democrat City is cooking the books to make it look like the crime isn't as bad.
And I was talking to this is D.C. This is D.C. And I was talking to post-millennial staffers, Hannah Nightingale, who wrote this story, who used to live in D.C. And she was telling me that she's seen crazy stuff at the Navy Yard with just like gangs of teenagers going around harassing people and doing all kinds of crazy stuff, which D.C. is, you know, D.C. is a mess anyway, and it has very poor leadership.
And that's why Trump is trying to federalize it.
But I thought that was absolutely crazy that this is what officers would do.
A captain, a lieutenant.
sean fracek
Well, I mean, we've all known dirty cops.
I mean, you know, I don't know any cops.
Well, I know, I've known a lot of police officers.
I've never grown up with that.
tate brown
This is like a different kind of dirty because usually dirty cops goes the other way.
They beat the crap out of you.
sean fracek
And then plant something on you.
tate brown
This is like they're not.
libby emmons
And then they get paid off by the mob or something.
tate brown
This is a little funny as the lack of beating.
This is like not enough beating the crap out of you.
sean fracek
Yeah, when we were growing up in Chicago, they plant stuff on you so they can write you a ticket.
tate brown
Now they're like we could use a little planning actually in this situation.
tony ortiz
I'm curious, like, is he getting paid to do this?
Because why would you put your job at risk?
What is he getting in return for higher up man?
Yeah, somebody's he's getting something in exchange.
libby emmons
It must be the culture of the Metro.
tony ortiz
You're not just doing it because you like Democrats.
libby emmons
But it's like the culture of the Metro PD.
sean fracek
But it's like a school, if you're the teachers in a school, right?
So the police officers are the teachers, you want, you know, want it to look like the kids are doing good for the school.
So if they're all lying together, then it's like the test of the colours.
libby emmons
Exactly.
sean fracek
It's like it's the brotherhood working together.
Be like, oh, this city's totally safe.
Tourism should, you know, like.
I come to D.C. I come to DC.
libby emmons
Maybe you get better raises if it turns out that the crime hasn't been that bad.
sean fracek
Exactly.
And the mayor rewards your department.
carter banks
And sell your houses for more.
Because the curious nuts.
libby emmons
I mean, it's not a state, but yeah.
tate brown
Well, that's a property values go up.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
You're right.
tate brown
Because, I mean, that's been the proposal.
Obviously, this is older news now, but Trump going in and federalizing the district.
And Scott Greer was on last night.
We were talking about it.
And he was like, well, you know, it's not even if they want it.
It's to help the DC residents.
And like, I'm like, I don't even really care about the DC residents.
I care about the 10,000 or so patriots that are working in the city.
They should be able to go to and fro from patriot institutions free of any trouble.
Like seeing big balls go down like that really hurt.
But yeah, we got a good, we got a good point on this on this article.
As of Thursday, D.C. police statistics said that violent crime is down 26% from the same period in 2024 and all crime is down 7%.
Again, as we say, that's cap.
That's absolutely cap.
sean fracek
Well, we were watching Fox News before the show, and they did a segment on races and violence, which is kind of wild to see on the Will Kane show, but it was like they're breaking down crimes by race over the last six years or whatever.
And it showed like in 2024, like black crime actually went down and white crime went up.
It was D.C., right?
The stats that they were showing.
So it's kind of, it was interesting.
So like, I don't know if that ties into what we're talking about here, but I thought because I saw that graphic, I was like, oh, that's interesting.
So it was like white crime was low, low, low, low, low.
And then 2024, it jumps.
And then black crime was high, high, high, high.
And then 2024 drops.
tony ortiz
Do you think that's accurate?
sean fracek
I don't know.
Like, we're looking at this story right here.
tony ortiz
That would imply that the police are falsifying racial crime data.
libby emmons
Well, I think that's possible too.
sean fracek
Yeah.
Well, they're false.
libby emmons
D.C. is 50% of D.C. carjacking arrests were of minors who were as young as 12 years old.
sean fracek
That's in Milwaukee.
libby emmons
56% of carjackings.
sean fracek
Well, that's Milwaukee, too.
So like in Milwaukee, they actually started this thing with the, if you guys heard of the Kia cars.
Yeah, the Kia Boys.
You've heard of the Kia Boys.
So for those in the audience that don't know, it's a bunch of teenagers that figured out how to jailbreak Kia's by literally just removing the steering column and putting in a USB cord and turning it like a key.
But they figured this out in Milwaukee and now it's like traveled to different cities to the point where like you can't get a car insured, Kia car insured in Milwaukee.
It was that bad.
libby emmons
You can't get it insured at all.
tony ortiz
Just Kia, it was Hyundai.
sean fracek
It was Kia and Hyundai.
tony ortiz
It was all the Korean manufacturers.
I think they faced a big loss because of that.
sean fracek
And one of the guys, I'm forgetting the guy's name, Mike.
I forget what the YouTuber's name was, but he went out and did, he interviewed the Kia boys, and they were all 17 and under.
And they said, the reason we do it is because it's fun or whatever, and they're crazy.
And also, they only get a misdemeanor.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
And I think if they're under walk out of jail the same day.
They get sealed.
Like nobody, if they're buying for a job, you can't see it.
sean fracek
So as long as they're 17 and under.
So like, you know, Tim talks about this too.
It's come up on the show a lot, but adults will train kids to do these crimes for them in order to, you know, like just like Oliver, just like Fagan.
Yeah, that's why you got to go after the parents with these people.
So, like, these kids, these criminal kids, like, oh, yeah, harsher punishment is great.
We need to go after the parents.
The parents should be in jail.
libby emmons
Do you think that parents should be prosecuted for their children's crimes?
sean fracek
Yes.
libby emmons
We saw that with Ethan Crumbley's parents in Michigan, the school shooter.
Both his parents went to prison for them.
tony ortiz
You need to die.
sean fracek
100%.
Parents in jail.
Unless the parents have taken the act of, what is it called when you separate the kid?
What is that called?
libby emmons
Emancipation.
sean fracek
Emancipation.
If they're emancipated, fine.
If the kid's like a devil child, Damien, or whatever, fine.
But like, otherwise, parents jail immediately.
libby emmons
What if you can't find any link between what if it was like parents and they've been doing a good job?
sean fracek
Doesn't matter.
It's your responsibility.
It's just like in the school.
It's like you hear this with the police.
You hear it in schools.
Oh, these kids are bad.
Why are they bad?
It's the parents.
It's not society.
libby emmons
There are also, I think there are also people who like do bad things.
sean fracek
Of course.
libby emmons
And like, no matter how good the parents are, once they're under 18.
Like, and they'll kill their parents.
sean fracek
Like, I mean, there's places you can put your kids if they're killing people.
You know what I mean?
carter banks
Like, it's up to you to take, like, if they're, if they're also in jail, though, because after they would have already done it, so that's what I'm saying.
sean fracek
Yeah.
Like, you can put them in military.
carter banks
How do you solve that?
unidentified
Right.
sean fracek
You can put them in military school.
You can put them in ROTC.
You can, like, there's, there's things you can do.
tony ortiz
They should remove the government benefits.
libby emmons
I think you have a weird deal with parenting.
tony ortiz
Whose kids are like committing these crimes if they're exceptionally violent?
Like, you don't qualify for SNAP anymore or you get a deduction in that.
sean fracek
Something like that.
I love it.
Punish them.
tony ortiz
If you're not going to put them in jail, you just hit their pocketbook.
sean fracek
Yes.
Punish them.
Take even more of the Kool-Aid or whatever the hell they're buying away from the EBT card or whatever.
You know?
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's what Will Kane was suggesting earlier when we were watching Fox.
Because it's like the thing that you can't dance around and everyone wants to dance around is there is, unfortunately, there's a racial element to this.
I mean, that's what you see over there.
sean fracek
I'm not even talking about the race.
I'm just talking about like poor kids.
tate brown
You said Kool-Aid.
sean fracek
Well, okay.
Well, you're going to say only one race drinks Kool-Aid.
I love Kool-Aid.
tate brown
I love Kool-Aid too.
libby emmons
Tim Jones was a white guy, and he poisoned his whole life.
sean fracek
Which Kool-Aid came from.
tate brown
But it's bizarre.
Like, me and a lot, we were in D.C. like two weeks ago, and we were walking around, and there was like a group of like 30, 35 black teens just wandering around the city, and there'd be like four or five cops just trailing them at all times.
And like, if there were a group of like 30 to 35 white kids running around D.C., like knocking stuff over and beating cars, they'd be like, start camps up.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Like, it'd be insane.
And I mean, it's unfortunate, but yeah, there absolutely is like a cultural element to these stories as well, these beatings that they seem to only be tolerated in certain groups.
sean fracek
I think a lot of it is, it's just like the woke, the woke always try and put it on racial lines, racial lines, racial lines, but I don't think it's, I think part of it's racial lines, but I think the bigger part of it is economic lines.
tate brown
I think that's a very, very liberal argument.
sean fracek
I'm a 90s Democrat.
tate brown
Well, if you look at the statistics, the highest tax bracket of black Americans is a higher crime rate than the lowest tax bracket white.
sean fracek
Fair.
All I'm saying is like kids that are in really.
libby emmons
They also jailed.
You were homeless?
sean fracek
I was homeless twice when I was a kid.
Like we really grew up on the tough side of Chicago.
tony ortiz
Were you from Chicago?
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I was on the south side and then eventually on the north side, which was nice.
But yeah, I mean, it's tough.
Like when you don't have any options, you don't have any opportunities.
Like you really, like the like everyone always worked, you know, it's like, oh, abortions, abortions, abortions.
What's like when these kids are in these like horrible situations, like they really don't have options.
And then they turn to like doing selling drugs and like stealing cars.
libby emmons
Well, it is interesting because the only parents that have been prosecuted for their children's crimes have been white parents.
That's crazy.
sean fracek
You do it in some high schools where it's like if your kid's truant, you go to jail.
libby emmons
Right.
I've seen that before.
That's like, what is that?
Like the restorative justice.
sean fracek
It works.
libby emmons
Yeah.
sean fracek
It works.
libby emmons
If they're almost got it.
serge du preez
Make money from going after the parents and get and get fees and get funds.
That's what they do.
I've seen it like countless times in LA where they won't go and arrest somebody that's clearly doing something illegal because they know that this guy can't pay for anything.
They're not able to provide any fees.
And then they just think, why would they even waste their time?
They look at it as like, oh, this is paperwork that's going to go nowhere.
And it's going to be from them chasing tail for no reason.
sean fracek
I knew a lot of people, especially in Chicago, their winter plan was literally committing a crime because they got to go to jail and get three, three, what do they call it?
serge du preez
Like three hots in a cot.
sean fracek
Yeah, three hots in a cot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tate brown
I mean, that's because there's been just this massive warping of what the purpose of prison is because I think most people, right and left, view prison as a form of rehabilitation or perhaps even a form of like removing them from the situation.
But the point of prison is incapacitation.
Like you're trying to incapacitate a criminal from committing a crime because unfortunately criminal behavior is very easy to predict and like the reoffense rate is very high.
The actual ability for prisons to rehabilitate is very minimal, like I said, because criminal behaviors, criminals do repeat criminal behaviors.
There's a certain disposition of someone that's a criminal.
So trying to seek rehabilitation is kind of pointless.
Yeah, like I said, the view is to incapacitate the criminal before they harm more people.
carter banks
Removed from what, public society or polite society almost.
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
And it's like I said earlier, it's like they have this like bizarre thing that happens in court where they'll plead insanity and that like reduces their sentence.
And it's like, if you're insane, that's the best reason to go to jail.
It's like, I'm so insane that I can't possibly function in society.
It's like, that's actually the best reason to remove someone.
But instead, because we have this false view of prison that it's like a form of rehabilitation, we're just going to keep doing this dance around and around again where we can't actually clean our cities up.
libby emmons
We've also gone way too far to the rehabilitation side.
And we have dispensed in a lot of cases with punishing criminals because we just look at how do we help the criminals instead of how do we prevent more victims of these criminals.
And a lot of the people who go to prison, like, they've been doing this stuff for a long time.
There's multiple crimes, multiple, multiple victims.
And it doesn't make any sense to continue to try and like, you know, remember the three strikes and you're out thing?
Wasn't that a Bill Clinton thing?
It was like, if you get three convictions, then you're just in jail.
There's no more hope for you.
And I think that at a certain point, there probably is not a lot of hope for you.
If you're not going to turn it around, nobody can turn it around for you.
sean fracek
I'll defend people that get caught in the system.
Listen, it's everyone's choices and they make decisions.
But sometimes when you do get caught in the system, it is hard to get out because the expectations and the things they put these people through is really hard.
libby emmons
Sure, but you don't need to keep violently aside.
sean fracek
I understand.
I'm just saying it is hard to get out of the system sometimes when you're in it.
I've seen it.
tate brown
It's not hard to not kill people, though.
sean fracek
No, of course not.
But I guess my point is it's more, it goes back to like people bring up, oh, let's bring back the insane asylums.
I don't like that either because it's our tax money going insane.
tony ortiz
Nowadays, it's easier not to fall into that.
Like there's so many lefty nonprofits and organizations that are willing to reward people who do bad things.
And like we reported on a story recently, there's this woman who's a DACA recipient and she's been charged with all sorts of drug offenses and all that.
And she raised $60,000.
No, she was going to get deported.
She raised $60,000.
serge du preez
Oh, that's great.
tony ortiz
Like, there's plenty of organizations that reward bad behavior.
So I think, to your point, maybe back in the day, it was harder to get out of the system.
But now, like, you commit a crime.
There's so much opportunity for you to succeed or to change your life around.
sean fracek
Yeah, that's fair.
It has definitely improved since the 90s.
Absolutely.
tate brown
The insane people we have now are so much different than the 90s, too.
Like the 90s, it's like you're going down the street and there's a bum.
You could flip them a nickel, he'd do like a little dance for you, maybe clean your window.
You go by now, and there's a 50% chance he's going to stab you.
libby emmons
But also, that's because in the 90s, the people who were going to stab you were in mental hospitals.
tate brown
They're in mental hospitals.
And it's like, so this complete breakdown where we feel so guilty about incapacitating people.
It's like, well, okay, it's either that or your cities look like they do now.
There's no in between.
You're not just going to give a homeless person keys to an apartment and they're just going to figure it out.
sean fracek
What about this?
I have an idea for the homeless people.
Are you ready?
This might be a little spicy.
The spicy take.
Are you ready?
When we get rid of the illegals, right?
We're going to need people working on the farms.
Put the homeless people on the farms.
And here's the kicker.
Don't pay them.
carter banks
Well, it wouldn't do it.
tony ortiz
Provide them like shelters.
libby emmons
This is a spicy take.
sean fracek
No, no, no.
You give them food, you give them shelter.
You give them a purpose.
Slavery.
tony ortiz
Slave slave class.
sean fracek
They're on the streets.
libby emmons
That doesn't mean you insist on them.
sean fracek
No, they don't save them, Sean.
No, no, no.
When you go and do a job that you're proud of, you're not being a slave.
libby emmons
You pay them.
sean fracek
You can pay them.
Sure.
That part's a joke.
But that part's the joke.
But obviously, they need jobs.
Get them on the phone.
Why are they none of the fun?
tony ortiz
The problem is, I think they don't want them.
They don't want the jobs.
You meet a homeless person and you offer them food.
serge du preez
They just want cash because they want to throw food down that I've given them.
I've given them food, like a whole meal, and people will just take it and throw it on the ground.
tony ortiz
These people don't want to be saved.
tate brown
If you speak to a lot of people that operate or work in homeless shelters, they'll say there's actually spare beds, but you have to get clean to sleep in this bed.
And these guys, you can actually speak to a lot of them.
They're still pretty lucid, and they're like, I'm not ready to get clean yet.
tony ortiz
Yeah, they don't want work.
Like, I see so many homeless in Dallas that they're like asking for money, but you drive across businesses and they're all hiring.
They're looking for people to work, like desperate for staff.
And you'll see like grown adults that are on the corner asking for money.
carter banks
And it's like, one time I gave some guy like 10 bucks and he asked for more and I gave him five more.
He's like, can I have 20 bucks?
I'm like, can you give me that 10 back?
tony ortiz
Yeah, I was in Dallas.
I gave a homeless lady some cash and then she's like, well, you got a 20 in there.
Give me that too.
And I'm like, what the heck?
tate brown
I gave her cash and she pulled a square reader out and asked me if they wanted to get that paper.
sean fracek
I will say there are some Christian organizations out there that do a good job with this.
They work with like ex-felons and people that are homeless down on their luck.
They do give them jobs.
And a lot of their success stories, it's like once they got that job and that purpose back, it really motivated them.
So it's like, I don't think all homeless people are like completely gone.
Like I do think some of them can.
tate brown
But the average homeless person is on the street for like a day or two.
It's the people you're seeing that are on the street consistently.
sean fracek
Fair, fair, fair.
tate brown
That means that there's one of two options.
libby emmons
The whole skid row situation.
tate brown
Yeah, they're good at hiding.
They're either good at hiding or there's a reason why there's only a few of them on the street at the same time.
That means you've got a particular disposition, dude.
serge du preez
So it's like a kid want to live there.
They love Skid at LA.
I literally worked there for like years.
They love it.
The weather's beautiful.
They get everything they want.
Like you're mentioning too, like I want them to take up the mantle of responsibility, but they're not going to.
sean fracek
But there are some success stories.
There are.
serge du preez
Those Christian organizations you talked about, but there's so many mentioned.
There's so many of these organizations that the chances of someone being down their luck for longer than two weeks is extremely, extremely slim.
unidentified
And then most of the time, it's just because they want to go get fent for like a quarter on the you know the addicts and stuff, but even that you can overcome.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
sean fracek
Put them on the farm.
serge du preez
True.
tate brown
I mean, the E. coli situation is already so bad.
Do we really want a bunch of junkies making telling you to clean them up, man?
sean fracek
They're going to be in this.
tate brown
This lettuce is going to get really good.
sean fracek
It's going to be fun.
Yeah, exactly.
They get the vitamin D, it starts oozing out of them.
Yeah, it's like something's exciting out of them.
unidentified
All right.
tate brown
Well, on that note, I think we should go to this next story here from the Daily Mail.
Steve Bannon is secretly plotting a sensational run for president in 2028, and he's already knifing his likely rival.
Quote, I created him.
The campaign would divide the Make America Great Again movement Bannon helped build by setting up a Herculean battle with JD Vance, who is all but certain to launch his own 2028 candidacy, potentially with Donald Trump's blessing.
Now, my opinion on this: is Bannon likely to run?
I don't know.
This is the first I've heard of it.
I will say, I don't think Trump's going to directly endorse a candidate because I do think Trump likes the idea of a few guys going in and battling it out by saying, I'm the most pro-Trump, I'm the most like Trump.
I think that's actually the likely outcome.
tony ortiz
I'm a hard no on Steve.
Look at me, look at the physiognomy.
It's horrible, man.
Like, I like Steve Bannon.
I don't know.
I just, I don't like him.
What do you call Trump call him sloppy Steve Bannon?
I'm sure he's a great guy, all that, whatever, but the physiognomy is bad for me.
And doesn't he have some like weird Chinese connections?
I don't know.
I don't follow national stuff too much too much, but yeah, I don't.
I'm not a fan.
libby emmons
I'll take the Steve Bannon can win over the entirety of the American populace enough to win the nomination or the presidency.
I like Steve Bannon a lot, but I don't think that he can do that.
And I'm not sure why he's doing this.
I don't think he has any real intention of running.
I don't think he has financial support to run.
I think it must be some kind of threat.
You know, get your stuff together or I'm going to run for president.
carter banks
Maybe he'll launch a clothing brand where it's like three-collared shirts and he sells it because he's the only person I've seen do that.
It's like he's reinventing.
tony ortiz
Triple-collar shirt?
carter banks
Yeah, he's like reinventing like, wasn't that like a high school hundreds garb with a double rough almost?
libby emmons
He always wore the three-collar collars.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
The homeless look.
It's like all collars.
tony ortiz
Is there a photo of Steve Bannon in his suit?
tate brown
No, they can't be.
tony ortiz
It probably doesn't exist.
sean fracek
I do have seen Jill's.
I do like Bannon.
I'm with you, Olivia.
I do like him.
Do I support him running for president?
unidentified
No.
sean fracek
Like, again, his age, I think that'd be a problem.
Also, like, he's really good in the advisor role.
So, like, if JD Vance does run, let's say it's Vance or Tulsi or whoever it is, right?
He is really good in the advisor role.
He's been there.
He's done that.
He's a good strategist.
tate brown
Yeah, I think guys like Steve Bannon are optimal or they're optimal bureaucrats.
Like, you do need a good fleet of bureaucrats.
libby emmons
I don't think he's really a bureaucrat.
tate brown
Or like a backroom backstabber kind of guy.
libby emmons
I think he's definitely a terrific advisor.
He's absolutely brilliant.
I mean, he's really smart.
He knows everything.
sean fracek
Yeah, he's got a good face for radio.
tony ortiz
He looks good in a suit.
sean fracek
Look at that.
Not everyone needs to be out front and center.
tate brown
I mean, it has to be said that it's really hard to believe or make the case that MAGA would exist as it exists now without Steve.
libby emmons
Oh, it absolutely would agree.
tate brown
He was 100% agree with him.
sean fracek
So, like, whoever it is, if it's Vance or whoever, like, I really think he'd be great in that advisor role, you know, but not everyone needs to be out in front and center.
tate brown
Well, it's, I mean, it's kind of tough.
It's hard to tell right now if Bannon is in that inner Trump circle.
I mean, some things would suggest that, but a lot of times it seems like he's completely shut out.
sean fracek
I think that changes like regularly, too.
Like, Trump kind of reminds me a little bit of the popular kid in high school.
It's like, yeah, you'll be friends with him a couple of days, and then next week you don't talk to him, and then you hear from him again.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's hard to stay in the Trump zone, you know, because he's got so much stuff going on.
tate brown
But it is interesting that Trump, like, they asked him the other day, do you view J.D. Vance as your successor?
And he's like, could be, could be possible.
libby emmons
But he also mentioned Rubio, and I think that's smart too.
sean fracek
Tulsi, I still like it.
libby emmons
Yeah, I know you love Tulsi.
I think she's terrific.
I think J.D. Vance probably gets the nod to run.
I think he has a lot of support in the background from the MAGA faithful.
I think he really has that.
The one area that I think is a little weak for him is his very pro-tech stance, which I think unnerves a lot of people.
Like when he was talking, we were just talking about farm workers.
When he was talking about how to solve the farm worker crisis, he's saying, let's get in automation.
You know, let's do this.
I don't know if I like it or not, but I think that his answers are, in many cases, going to be to have a technical solution like that.
sean fracek
I don't need it.
carter banks
You're homeless solving problem, though.
sean fracek
Okay, so like in the self-driving cars.
libby emmons
Repair the machines.
sean fracek
There are self-driving semi-trucks on the road right now.
But the funny thing is they need a human in front of the wheel still, like with their hands like this, ready to grab the wheel.
libby emmons
God, they have a human in front of them.
sean fracek
Homeless person.
There you go.
Oh, that's cool.
You put that guy on the mower while it's driving around doing all the agriculture.
tate brown
The Fenetron 3000 picking off the streets.
sean fracek
I'm telling you, they get in the sun, man.
libby emmons
I think you're just saying stuff to be professional.
tate brown
No, but I do think I actually, as someone that is like a pretty big tech accelerationist, I like Vance a lot.
I like that aspect of him.
But that is very unpalatable to the populist MAGA base.
And he's going to have to form a slightly different coalition in 2028 if he wants to win the nomination.
I think.
sean fracek
I love Vance.
I do.
The technology question, that's a really interesting one, Libby.
I do support it because I do know the population is getting smaller and smaller, and we still need a lot of food.
So I'm not adverse to the machines doing mindless jobs like that, especially if it's going to get a bunch of people who don't belong here out.
You know what I mean?
libby emmons
Sure.
Yeah.
No, I mean, and it depends on what the tools are.
My point is that that's just one instance where Vance is going to lean into tech to do the jobs.
And I think that he probably, given his background, I mean, that's where he made his money, right?
For the most part, is in tech.
sean fracek
Oh, in that book.
libby emmons
Yeah, the book.
But I mean, he was, you know, he's a teal guy.
And so I do think that, well, I think JD Vance's heart is probably in the right place.
I do think he has some leanings toward a little bit of a slightly transhumanist agenda that he might want to read.
tony ortiz
You're seeing the robots already kind of take some jobs, like in the restaurants.
I don't know if you guys seen him, like the, especially the Asian restaurants, the robot that brings by like the water or whatever.
libby emmons
Yeah, I've seen that.
tony ortiz
I see that.
But I was cracking up.
I was talking to somebody on the way here, and I was like, man, I've lived long enough to find out what the derogatory term is for like a robot.
Clankers.
tate brown
You got Wireback.
You got Spark Punk.
Grease Cricket.
Clink.
I'm saying an L that has an L. Clink.
There's a lot of great ones.
There's a lot of good ones out there.
sean fracek
I think we have two options.
libby emmons
I like clanker, but I like it with a Boston accent.
It's a clanker.
sean fracek
We have two options.
Either the machines Do the mindless work or we start paying people more, Americans more, which I'm fine with either.
Like, I'm fine with paying them more.
But the problem is, we all know how businesses work.
If you're paying your, you know, your floor-level staff, like 40, 50 bucks an hour, like we see at the fast food places in California, it's really hard to make money, or you have to raise the prices for the consumer.
So either we're okay spending a ton more or we have the robots.
I think those are the two options.
Maybe homeless people.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, like the thing with- Yeah.
The thing with Vance, if you really are hard on immigration, like if you really do want net zero immigration, you need to deport, maybe even denaturalize a lot of people, is you're going to have to embrace tech because the reality is the share of the Native American population is shrinking as a whole.
There's nothing you can really do about that because everyone's chucking money at it.
It's not really making a dent.
You look at Hungary, you look at South Korea, look at the people.
libby emmons
Well, those countries are all paying people to have children.
tate brown
And it's not working.
It's not even making a dent.
So it's like, if you're looking at the states and you're looking at, like, when I say Native Americans, not like American Indians, but like, you know, people that are from America, that shared, that population is declining as a whole.
The only way you're going to keep the economy propped up with a declining population, you're going to have to find technology solutions.
So I think that's why the Vance guys, I think they just see the writing on the wall.
serge du preez
Yeah, I'd much rather lean towards tech and towards, like, for instance, within farming, a lot of people, they say, oh, well, you can't pick certain berries without having an actual person go and pick them.
It's like, well, we haven't invented a machine to do that yet, right?
Like before they're like, oh, it was really laborious to pick nuts from trees.
And then someone was like, well, why don't I just take my tractor and turn around and put a big old thing on and shake it and vibrate and all the nuts will fall down.
And that revolutionized that industry and it got rid of a lot of people's jobs.
But it's also not adding hundreds of thousands of people to your country every year, every other month.
Like it's an insane idea to say that we need to do that as opposed to like advancing technology and advancing the things we already are doing.
And it's like, you know, I'm not really a fan of the bots.
I don't like the bots either.
But like if they can do the job better and like more reliably than like, I know the home, they want the homeless people there too.
That'd be fun.
sean fracek
It's a good idea.
I'm telling you.
It's going to grow.
tate brown
Yeah, the calculus is you have a, you, you bring in technology, you just let it, you cut it all loose, you have a 10% chance of like a cyberpunk future.
That's a possibility.
Or the current course of action, which is flood the country with like people from the third world, you're going to get Brazil.
serge du preez
So it's still not working.
tate brown
I'll take the slight chance of Blade Runner over South Africa.
tony ortiz
The choice is between a clanker or an illegal.
I'll take the clanker.
sean fracek
Taking the clanker.
tate brown
If the clanker ever asked me for money, I'll say that.
sean fracek
The third option is still on the table.
Pay Americans more.
And that actually came up in one of the culture where events.
tate brown
Yeah, if the population declines, there's going to be labor will have an advantage.
sean fracek
Not necessarily because corporations don't care about people.
They don't care about you.
They don't care about their employees.
They care about their bottom line.
tate brown
Yes, but if labor has an advantage in the negotiating table, then labor will be sound like a socialist.
It's just economics.
serge du preez
That's the same thing.
If they play the game and they play with the rules they're actually supposed to play by, like you can't hire illegal immigrants, that's a huge rule that gets completely fine and completely ignored.
And I think we should be arresting these people.
By the way, Donald, if you're watching, please arrest the people that hire illegal immigrants.
They're causing half of the big issue.
And it's going to take time for everything to two levels.
sean fracek
H-1B is too.
I'm serious.
libby emmons
They're working on it.
sean fracek
Listen, H-1B is corporate slavery.
libby emmons
The workplace enforcement is including arresting the business owners for hiring the illegal immigrants.
But do you guys think that we should have homeless people picking our crops or are these Frankensteins?
sean fracek
No, they're going to sit behind the machines while the machines do the work.
You interrupted me.
I'm telling you, listen, there's already self-driving trucks on the road now, but they need someone there in case something happens to grab the wheel.
unidentified
So just like one homeless person per franken toaster.
sean fracek
I'm telling you, they get, when they get purpose and they're like, oh my God, I'm doing something with my life, they're going to be like, I see the, Sergeant DX, bro.
carter banks
When we got in that Weibo car and like somehow we put you in the wrong seat and it stopped and it was like somebody phoned in to me and was like, I don't know what you're doing, but I'm going to kick you out of the car.
You can't do that.
You can't touch the steering wheel.
Yeah, we try to have you sit in the front.
tony ortiz
Oh, the Waymo.
unidentified
It's sucked.
tony ortiz
We were in Arizona.
sean fracek
It's in the driver's seat, Carl.
tony ortiz
Yeah, we were in Arizona.
We called a Waymo and my buddy Triman got in the driver's seat and the car just started freaking out.
carter banks
Yeah, but it's something that I've been doing.
tony ortiz
And then some Indian dude hops up on the line in the car and is like, you can't do that.
I got an email that they were going to ban me.
sean fracek
Was he Indian or an American Indian?
tony ortiz
The call center guy?
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Oh, he was Indian center.
tate brown
I got in the back of a Waylander.
sean fracek
It's another thing.
carter banks
Imagine homeless.
sean fracek
You got to pay Americans more to do.
tony ortiz
I have a homeless guy call me to yell at me about the Waymo.
tate brown
I got in the back of a Waymo.
unidentified
Maybe.
tate brown
I got in the back of a Waymo and he started telling me how his day was going and sort of ranting.
And then he started crying.
Apparently, his wife was leaving.
sean fracek
It could be levels.
Like as they do better, they get better jobs.
libby emmons
Did you see the Waymos that crashed?
tony ortiz
No.
libby emmons
They crashed.
It was in Phoenix and they crashed into each other.
tate brown
They got female Waymos now?
libby emmons
Oh, my goodness gracious.
They crashed into each other and they just sat there blocking traffic.
tony ortiz
Oh, I think I did see that.
libby emmons
And they didn't know enough to go to the side of the road and exchange insurance.
sean fracek
Tim brings this up all the time.
Like in traffic, you can trap a Waymo or a Tesla or anything that's auto-driving by just cutting them off.
tony ortiz
People were in the middle of the day.
carter banks
They were putting people that were controlling the Waymos pop up and talk to each other and like, yo, what happened there?
tony ortiz
You know what, though?
I prefer the Waymos over Uber.
I'll say it.
Like, I don't have to worry about the car.
sean fracek
I agree.
And you know what?
You don't have to have music.
tony ortiz
I don't have to talk to them if I don't want to.
I don't have the tip.
carter banks
I don't like talking to Uber drivers.
libby emmons
I just miss caps.
tate brown
I love it.
Yeah.
libby emmons
I prefer taxi cabs.
sean fracek
I don't like talking about it.
carter banks
Do you want any weird connections?
tate brown
It's like, do you want to listen to like a political consultant or do you want to listen to like an Albanian taxi driver?
I'll take the Albanian taxi driver.
He or Persian or any accent that's a little off.
That's like they're going to lay the situation out flat for us.
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
All right.
tate brown
Sick and tired.
sean fracek
Every time we're in Uber, I remember that.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
I'm like, Tay, you want to hear a life story?
tate brown
I do.
sean fracek
You want to hear everything about your kids.
Show them.
tate brown
I love her.
It's my job to get along with people.
I get a lot.
It's a direct quote from Trump.
Anyway, we got this next story.
Disney.
Sorry, breaking from post-millennial.
Disney, Lucasfilm.
Settle Gina Carano lawsuit.
Signal desire to work with the actress again.
tony ortiz
She won.
tate brown
She won.
libby emmons
This is the end of wokeness, you guys.
Gina Carano won.
She's back.
She now can get jobs.
She can be unblacklisted from Hollywood.
Lucasfilm and Disney have both said that they would like to work for her, work with her again.
She's a terrific actress.
She deserves all the greatest opportunities in the world.
And I couldn't be more excited for her to, you know, get a little piece of her career back.
And I hope that she got a whole bunch of money from Lucasfilms and Disney too, because it's not right when someone takes away for your career just because you posted a meme during COVID.
And the other thing, too, about her post, she posted a meme saying basically that the Nazis were able to control people because they got their neighbors to snitch on everybody, to snitch on each other.
And that's a big deal.
But Pedro Pascal did not get fired when in 2018, he compared the border situation in the U.S. to the Holocaust and threw that at Trump.
He didn't get fired for that.
And you had Disney and Lucasfilm coming out being like, oh, this is absolutely abhorrent.
What she said is unbelievable.
We can't have someone like this working for us.
And they literally kept Pedro Pascal on.
There was a guy that welcome back, Gina Carano.
I hope you get the best of everything.
sean fracek
There was a guy that was literally masturbating after he got off that call with the media.
What channel was it?
MSMBC.
libby emmons
What are you even talking about?
sean fracek
I remember he was on the call.
carter banks
I'm trying to get it.
sean fracek
Talking about Jeff Toobins.
And he didn't get fired.
tate brown
You're talking about Jeff Toobin.
unidentified
That guy.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
sean fracek
And he didn't get fired.
libby emmons
Does he still have a job?
Oh, yeah.
sean fracek
He still has a job.
tony ortiz
I think he was gone for like, what, two weeks?
sean fracek
Yeah, it was like two weeks.
He just apologized, whatever.
I mean, it's horrifying.
But what I will say is, we are in the age of unapologetics, right?
tony ortiz
Well, yeah, we've come back.
We've got hot blonde women advertising jobs now.
libby emmons
American Eagle did not apologize.
They were like, hey, American.
sean fracek
He was so bad at his job that he completely changed the entire political landscape of the country to go back like 20 years, which is crazy.
Like he was that bad.
Joe Biden, thank you, Joe Biden.
tate brown
It's almost like the country as a whole is going back to his ex.
sean fracek
Joe Biden the Patriot.
libby emmons
Going back to its ex.
tate brown
The whole United States as a whole are going back to our ex.
sean fracek
We're going back to the city.
tate brown
There's also a blue-eyed woman.
libby emmons
There was a study that came out also.
Do you remember under before COVID and then during BLM and all of that, you had the New York Times and all these other outlets talking so much about race that people's fear of racism and belief that racism was a huge problem in the country skyrocketed.
And a new study came out, and that number is back down to sort of normal.
sean fracek
You know, people crave authenticity.
They crave people that are unapologetic.
They want people that are outspoken.
They're done with, they want Comedy back, you know.
I haven't seen Naked Gun yet, but that was a spicy movie they came back.
I mean, you remember from our childhood.
I'm hoping they did a good job with it, but I'm just saying they're trying.
It's coming back.
tony ortiz
Do you think the Democrat Party as a whole adjusts their messaging because this isn't working anymore?
Like, they're doing podcasts.
libby emmons
They are at all.
In fact, they're doing the opposite.
And this is a huge problem for the Democratic Party, right?
They could go in two directions right now.
They have two options: one, go a little more establishment, veer center, capture that part of their base and that part of their voters, or they could veer far left and go the Zoram Mandani, Omar Fatah, like all of these guys in this direction.
And that's what they're choosing to do.
You had Elizabeth Warren the other day saying that Zoran Momdani's message is the message for the future of the Democratic Party.
She was very clear on that.
AOC is endorsing.
You have Bernie Sanders on that side.
And the people in the Democratic Party who are not endorsing Mom Dani, you have Chuck Schumer, you have Hakeem Jeffries.
They're not endorsing Corey Booker, not endorsing, but they're being super quiet about it.
They don't really want you to notice that they have not endorsed the socialist candidate for mayor for New York City.
So they're hedging, they're, you know, skirting those questions.
You had Kamala Harris recently come out, what was it last week, on Stephen Colbert.
And when she was asked who the leader of the Democratic Party was, she did not say herself.
And she did not name anyone.
Instead, what she said was that she'd like to take her book and tour around the country, not asking for people's votes.
She's trying to come out as an outsider to the political party that she should be the head of right now, but she can't say that she's the head of it.
Nobody is the head of the Democratic Party right now.
And so what you have is the far left taking control.
They're taking charge of this party.
They're veering it further toward literal crazy, you know, everyone's going to starve communism.
That's what they're advocating for.
And so is the Democratic Party going to, you know, switch up their message because they're losing.
No, they're doubling down on the lunacy.
They're doubling down on the socialism, the free buses, actually, all of the rest of it.
sean fracek
I disagree.
I do think you're right.
libby emmons
But look at what's look at the landscape.
sean fracek
No, I do think you're right.
I do think there's a percentage of the left of the Democrats that is definitely embracing socialism and communism.
But if you look at the moderates, Michelle Obama has a podcast.
Gavin Newsom has a podcast.
You know, if you're looking at all those.
libby emmons
Gavin Newsom is not a moderate.
Neither is Michelle Obama.
carter banks
That's California.
libby emmons
They're both pretty far left.
sean fracek
Mom Dani's going on with Hassan.
Like they are looking at what we're doing and the things that we've done, podcasting things.
They're talking about Epstein.
libby emmons
They're trying to mirror the mirror the cultural impact.
But the messaging is still further left.
sean fracek
I understand.
But all I'm saying is they are starting to learn from their mistakes with the conservative.
libby emmons
Only in terms of presentation.
sean fracek
Exactly.
Only in terms of presentation.
I do think they give a wink and the nod to the message.
libby emmons
No, this is not Marshall McLuhan here.
Like the medium is not the message.
sean fracek
To say that they haven't changed anything, I think, is wrong.
I think they actually are learning and they're seeing what works on our side.
libby emmons
We're the cool messages.
You had Nancy Pelosi.
Yeah, you had Nancy Pelosi out here today talking about how she wants to implement plans so that child sex changes are not punk rock for them.
It's modus operandi.
It's status quo.
tony ortiz
My standings are running the list.
sean fracek
Sorry, Tate.
Well, sorry.
tate brown
Hey, I'm the host here, guys.
unidentified
Geez.
tate brown
I'm just kidding.
We got to watch the video that Libby was talking about.
This is a good video.
This is Nancy Pelosi.
Look, she's young, and I think she's got many years of service.
unidentified
How is your office responding to the causes in gender affirming here here in California?
nancy pelosi
Well, that is something that I'm working for at the national level.
And we have hoping that we can have gender affirming here for our transports.
And that it's a sad thing for us.
I'm not totally.
I don't know what I don't know what effect we can have nationally with what we have going on in the White House and in the Congress.
It's really very sad if you were there.
Outside our door, we have a trans flag outside of our door in the office congressional office building.
We have the trans flag, as do some of our other colleagues.
tate brown
So as you can see, she's very well spoken, which is a beautiful thing to see.
This is kind of.
libby emmons
Especially in our elder generation.
tate brown
And this is kind of exhibit A for what Libby is saying, is they're just trying to like repackage really, really horrible ideas.
And they're trying to, and she can't do it as well.
But like she was saying, they're just trying to repackage it in the broadcast kind of presentation.
But if you just listen to her, I mean, this is the moderate position in the Democrat Party today.
And the Democrats, the situation they're in is the same situation the Republicans were in in 2015, which was the base had no appetite to moderate at all, and they felt like every attempt to satiate them in any way wasn't enough.
I think in 2028, the Democrats are going to send a brick through a window.
libby emmons
What do you mean?
tate brown
I think the candidate that they're not going to tolerate a Josh Shapiro or Gretchen Whitmer.
They're not going to just let someone like, they're not going to have that shoved down their throat.
They're going to be angry.
They're going to elect an equivalent to some degree of a Donald Trump as far as expressing anger, expressing discontent with the current of the Democrat Party.
libby emmons
They have absolutely no frontrunner.
And what's interesting about that is if you look at the past several presidential elections, by this far out from an election, there was an opposition frontrunner.
But at this stage, you had Al Gore, you know.
tate brown
What about 2016?
The equivalent would be, what, 2014?
And Trump wasn't on the radar at that point yet.
libby emmons
No, no, no.
I mean, well, Trump was on the radar by 2015 for sure.
tate brown
But we're two years out.
libby emmons
But there were also already frontrunners, right?
You had Marco Rudy Rubio.
You had Ted Cruz.
You had Jeb Bush.
tate brown
Bobby Jindal was like a frontrunner.
libby emmons
Sure.
But like you had these people.
And if you look for the Democrats, like this is a lot of runway that they have to not have anybody that they're launching.
You know what I mean?
tate brown
I mean, yeah.
libby emmons
I think that you're looking at perhaps Jasmine Crockett.
You know, you're looking at perhaps AOC.
You're looking at the legit low IQ people from the Democrat Party because they're the only ones who are stupid enough to think that they have a shot.
tate brown
The difference between like a person like Jasmine Crockett or AOC versus not saying, because obviously they're not the same at all.
And Trump is Trump had the money to like create an insurgency.
Where in the Democrat Party, they're not going to have a war chest.
libby emmons
They have a ton of money.
carter banks
Yeah, they don't have money.
They don't have anyone that actually believes in the success of their dreams so much that they're willing to go out and have a war chest like Trump had.
libby emmons
I think that you're mistaken about just how much money the Democrats have.
And in terms of Democrats' donors and open societies, USAID was shut down, but like they're going to come up with it.
I mean, these people are still throwing multi thousand dollar plate fundraisers and stuff like that.
They're still doing all of these things.
None of that has shut down.
And you had AOC after the 2024 election going out into her constituents and in her district, being like, I'm so confused.
You voted for me and Trump.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
AOC is very Trumpy just in terms of her populism.
sean fracek
I agree with you, Libby.
I do agree that they need to fix their messaging, you know, trans shit that's so old hat now.
Like there is stuff.
They're going to have to update it.
But MAGA has really put together the model for what works and what talks to people.
And that's literally being authentic, literally being outspoken, getting on podcasts, getting on social media, saying crazy stuff.
Crockett, whether you like her or not, she's like fearless when it comes to like, you know, saying what she thinks, you know, going out there, acting crazy.
libby emmons
Did you see the report today from the New York Post?
sean fracek
Yeah, like her seat might be.
libby emmons
No, apparently her staffers say that she doesn't do any work.
sean fracek
Oh, of course not.
libby emmons
She just hangs out in her apartment and she's like influencer level and not actually doing anything for the AOC too.
sean fracek
She's an influencer.
They're just influencers.
I mean, let's be real, like, politics is a popularity contest, right?
tate brown
I think AOC actually does have like committee assignments.
Not that that means you're working, but at least like she was showing up places.
sean fracek
Yeah, she was pockets just hanging out.
She was on Twitch for a while playing Harvest Game.
tony ortiz
Harvest Moon?
sean fracek
Harvest Moon.
Yeah, it's like our tax dollars.
libby emmons
With Tim Waltz on Twitch.
sean fracek
I know.
Our tax dollars are hard at work.
It's like, I'm like mad.
tony ortiz
I agree with you.
They're replicating the Trump or the MAGA recipe of doing things, but the messaging hasn't changed.
And I don't think.
carter banks
It's like hollow.
sean fracek
Yeah, messaging has changed in the sense of Epstein, though.
Epstein was a big win for them.
No, it was not.
libby emmons
They know it wasn't because they're upset about it.
Well, the thing is the Democrats had four years to release anything on Epstein that they wanted.
And if there was anything in there that actually harmed Trump, they would have released it.
And that's why it sounds so hollow.
And that's why you even had Joe Scarborough, I think, talking to Jamie Raskin about it on his show and being like, okay, Congressman, like, if you're so gung-ho about this Epstein stuff, why didn't you do anything about it for the past four years?
sean fracek
I understand what you're saying.
libby emmons
Raskin couldn't say a word.
sean fracek
I understand what you're saying with the insiders.
What I'm talking about is their base.
And now, I mean, literally having Epstein on local news on, you know, like in the mainstream psyche is insane.
Like, it's everything we've asked for for the last, what, eight years or whatever.
Like, it's finally mainstream.
So they've kind of unlocked that.
And all they're doing is taking the MAGA playbook and using it.
You know, I agree the messaging needs to change and stuff, but they are.
libby emmons
I don't think their messaging needs to change because they don't think it needs to change.
I think it's just a losing message.
sean fracek
I understand.
unidentified
Right.
carter banks
With losing people.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I think that that's what's going on.
I don't think they, I don't think they have a great chance for the midterms either because so far I don't know what they could possibly be driving home.
Jeffreys is mad.
He just stands there on the floor yelling about everything.
You know, you have Chuck Schumer doesn't know what's going on.
All of the leading Democrat governors look like idiots out here being like, oh, we're going to redistrict our state.
Well, you don't have anything to redistrict there.
sean fracek
I mean, I understand what you're saying, but I also hear them saying we need the new Joe Rogan.
We need the new left's Joe Rogan.
And they think it's like Friedland, you know, or there's no unifying the Yvonne.
tony ortiz
There's no unifying message in the Democrat Party.
Like Trump, Trump is like Trump's thing was like, you know, build the wall, make America great again.
You know, we need to, you know, they're just not sending their best.
Like that was their thing.
That was the thing, right?
And that was like a unifying message.
And like, the Democrat Party is what?
More illegal immigration, trans stuff, right?
And what else?
Like, what's the problem?
tate brown
I mean, you hollow.
carter banks
Yeah, it's weird because like we actually like, I mean, at least the MAGA party had like goals that, if accomplished, would improve their lives.
Whereas if the accomplished goals happen on the left, like what does that actually mean?
tate brown
Well, we don't know trans people.
Well, that's the problem: you see the Zoron primary victory, and everyone's like, this is great.
We should export this to the country.
And it's like, this isn't even really so.
I mean, it's socialism, obviously.
But if you read the policy, it's just totally inconherent.
It's like, what are you exporting besides like general anti-white TikToks?
sean fracek
Is that what their export is?
Understanding social media, how to use social media, something Trump is very good at, something Vance is a master at.
tate brown
Zoron works great in New York, but it's not going to play.
carter banks
It's like, yeah, once you get the votes, then what?
sean fracek
I understand.
But he was able to get people pumped and excited through a new medium, which the Democrats have been failing at for years, or which MAGA is like taking over with podcasts and social media.
tate brown
This is just a five-year growing pan.
Like, Obama was the first person to Twitter.
And then the Republicans figured it out five years later.
So, yeah, that's not a game changer.
We're talking about actual policy platform, which does have decades-long implications.
But most the policy platform of MAGA will last 20, 30 years.
But in the Democrats have to pick their next policy platform very well.
libby emmons
It'll only last if the Congress actually takes up some of the platforms because a lot of what Trump is doing now, right?
He did by executive order in his first term.
The anti-wokeness, there was a whole big thing with Chris Ruffo in like, what was it, September 2020?
It was massive.
It was going to be like this whole 1776 project.
It was very cool.
He had all of these executive orders going on.
And as soon as Biden, with the border wall, all the rest of it, he did not go through Congress to get those laws passed.
He did not fight for that in the legislature.
And so what you had, as soon as Biden took office, like literally, you can look up the executive orders January 21st, 2021.
He was in there signing executive orders to reverse everything Trump did.
He signed like hundreds of orders to reverse what Trump did.
And then Trump gets into office.
He has signed hundreds of executive orders to reverse what Biden did.
sean fracek
Well, we think Biden.
libby emmons
Biden, whatever it is.
Biden reversed, he went into Title IX and he said, okay, for Title IX, which was what was it, 64, 72, something like that.
He came in and he said, okay, Title IX now sex means and gender identity.
He did that by executive order.
And that pushed out through all the federal agencies.
Every federal agency had like 180 days to come back and be like, this is how we're going to fix that.
The Department of Ag said we're going to withhold free school lunches if schools don't let boys use girls' bathrooms.
You had all of this crazy stuff going on.
And that was pushed by executive order so that Trump could just reverse it.
If a Republican doesn't win the House again, right?
Or doesn't win the White House, then all of these executive orders could just be reversed again and the directives go back again.
Now, you have to remember, affirmative action was an executive order.
That was an executive order.
And that stayed with us this whole time.
Why did no Republican ever reverse it?
You know what I'm saying?
Like any of this stuff can just be reversed.
And I find it infuriating that we have a Republican Congress and a Republican-led Senate, and they won't take up some of these things to say we are reaffirming that Title IX means, you know, legal protections for actual women or whatever the other things are.
Some of the border security measures, a lot of that stuff.
Has the House passed anything other than the Lake and Riley Act and the Big Beautiful bill this year?
And there's tons of policy proposals from Trump's executive orders, the anti-wokeness, some of the anti-wokeness in AI, which I think is a really big deal.
And the Congress hasn't taken up any of it.
And instead, you have the Senate being like, no, we're not going to stick around and try and confirm some of your appointees.
And the House is like, no, we're going to go.
You have a bunch of people being like, yeah, we're going to take this free trip to Israel.
Like, what are you doing?
You know, what are you doing?
Like, put your stuff together.
sean fracek
I will say that.
libby emmons
Back these policies.
sean fracek
There's been a little blackpilling on Trump on this show for a little bit.
And I understand the frustration, you know, especially like with the way the Epstein thing was handled and with some of the other stuff.
But like, just imagine the other option we had if Kamala's president right now.
tate brown
I mean, that's, yeah.
sean fracek
I mean, I'm just saying, like, you know, what he's done, especially rolling back DEI, a lot of the changes he's made, like there have been like the, you know, the ICE stuff, like going after illegals, like he has done a lot.
libby emmons
I'm not complaining about Trump.
I'm complaining about Congress.
tate brown
I was going to say the thing is, is when people say, well, look at what we could have had.
That's not a pro-Trump position.
That's a absolving Congress.
sean fracek
No, no, but I'm saying I'm both pro and thank God we don't have the other side.
But I'm also a fan of what he's doing with immigration, what he's done with DEI, what he's done with a lot of this stuff.
You know, like the JFK stuff, obviously, that was interesting.
But I think the only thing that he's really kind of screwed up was Epstein.
And I don't think that was necessarily him.
I think that was his team.
tate brown
Well, speaking of immigration, we got one more story here from the post-millennial Superman actor Dean Kane to join ICE will be sworn in, quote, ASAP.
Dean Kane, an actor who played Superman in the 1990s TV show, Lois and Clark.
Lewis and Clark?
sean fracek
Lois.
Lois and Clark.
90s.
libby emmons
Sorry.
tate brown
The news.
unidentified
That's totally different.
tate brown
Oh, we can't get them all right.
The new adventures of Superman told Fox News' Jesse Waters primetime on Wednesday that he is joining ICE.
Kane explained that he had put out a recruitment video on Tuesday in which he had laid out the benefits interested parties would get of joining ICE, of which Waters had shown a clip on his show.
Let's take a look at the clip.
jesse watters
What are you going to be doing at ICE?
dean cain
Well, let me go back a minute here, Jesse.
This is all your fault, by the way.
I'll explain why.
Well, because I put out a recruitment video yesterday.
I'm actually a deputy sheriff, a sworn deputy sheriff, and a reserve police officer.
I wasn't part of ICE.
But once I put that out there and you put a little blurb on your show, it went crazy.
So now I've spoken with some officials over at ICE, and I will be sworn in as an ICE agent, ASAP.
So they'll have 80,001 recruits for their 10,000 positions.
jesse watters
Well, they can't have a better guy than Dean Kane.
Are you going to be hopping out of ICE fans and apprehending guys?
dean cain
I will do whatever Director Lyons wants me to do.
If that's what it takes, absolutely.
I somehow doubt I'll be in that position, but I would be there in a heartbeat.
These brave men and women need someone to stand up for them.
So rarely, you know, these days are we seeing that.
Someone like Daniel Penny stands up.
He gets vilified.
Dan Bongino steps up, gives up $5 million a year and goes and takes his position at the FBI.
This is the kind of thing Where people have to step up.
I'm stepping up.
Hopefully, a whole bunch of other former officers, former ICE agents will step up and we'll meet those recruitment goals immediately.
tate brown
That Chiron was incredible.
Illegals have their kryptonite.
That's a beautiful thing.
sean fracek
I love it.
Patriot Kane, I think you should do it in the Superman costume for like some media on it.
I think that'd be fantastic.
Like literally Superman kicking out the illegals.
This isn't novel, though.
Steven Seagal did this.
Remember, he became a cop.
He went, you know, he became a copy.
tony ortiz
It looks more like a diversity thing.
He won't even flat fat out say whether he's actually going to be on the field.
It's probably a desk job or a media job.
sean fracek
No, oh, no.
Stephen Seagal is out there like arresting people.
So he's still doing it.
carter banks
Lawman.
sean fracek
Exactly.
tate brown
He's just a cop and he comes in.
It's worth noting that ICE is so much different than anything we've seen so far, ICE in the Trump administration, because this really does feel like to some degree like the Reconquista.
This is like an ability.
This is the ability to participate in the Reconquista, put your name in the history books.
I was talking to Owen Schroyer about this earlier and he was in total agreement.
So I don't know if you guys agree.
But if you're a young man and you really feel like your inheritance has been stolen when you look around your country, you see ICE is like the ticket to actually restore that inheritance.
libby emmons
Plus like $50,000.
unidentified
That doesn't mean that the glory alone is great.
tate brown
And then you can pay off your college.
sean fracek
You guys covered this last night, though.
The barrier to entry is still ridiculous, right?
It's like you have to be a government employee.
You have to have a four-year.
You have to do, I mean, why would we do that?
tate brown
Four-year gets you around it, and it's like half of Zoomers are going to college.
sean fracek
But again, like, why put yourself in debt for something?
Like, if you know this is a job you want to do.
tate brown
Most people.
sean fracek
Who goes to college?
tate brown
Zoomers.
sean fracek
That's a bad choice.
tate brown
More than half are in college.
I mean, that's your point.
sean fracek
I think you're going to get better candidates.
I like Tim's point on this.
Let them in and train them.
tate brown
I agree.
sean fracek
Literally, anybody can do any job.
That was the whole thing with me.
I think that's true.
libby emmons
I don't think that's a good idea.
sean fracek
You didn't learn DiCaprio's character and catch me if you can.
He literally taught himself to do it.
libby emmons
But that's a different thing.
tate brown
Right, but he learned and they are working.
libby emmons
There's a ton of jobs I can't do.
Like, I can never be an elephant trainer.
sean fracek
If you had on-the-job training and somebody that was good at their job, you 100% could be an elephant trainer.
libby emmons
I don't think so.
unidentified
I do.
tate brown
And also, like.
libby emmons
You could never be a weightlifter.
sean fracek
Well, what do you mean?
You pick up a weight, you're a weightlifter.
libby emmons
No, that's not a profession.
It's not a bad thing.
sean fracek
profession that's different.
But if you have like someone that's We're talking about jobs.
Yeah, I know.
But if you have someone that's good at their job at training, you can learn that.
libby emmons
You're never going to be a rodeo clown.
tate brown
So this is blank slate theory, disavow.
This is libtard theory.
sean fracek
Blank slate theory?
unidentified
Yeah, you're saying that.
Anyone can be a weightlifter.
tate brown
It's like, no, you need to be Austrian.
That's how it works.
libby emmons
Anybody could be a man if they just wish it.
sean fracek
No, I'm not talking about biology.
What I'm talking about is literally on-the-job training.
Tate, you weren't in the seat.
A couple months later, guess what?
You're in the seat.
You learn how to do the job.
tate brown
Couldn't transition for the job.
You had to be a weightlifter.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, like, we need to have more faith in the workforce and not look at people that don't have a college degree as lessers.
tate brown
Okay, you're all wrong, Sean.
You're all wrong.
I just got a text from a friend Devin.
He's a bodybuilder, and he said, Blue Hoodie has no idea what weightlifting is like.
That kind of says it all right.
tony ortiz
People just don't have the genetics for it.
I cannot push it.
libby emmons
Let's all call Sean Blue Hoodie from now on.
sean fracek
I'm right.
I've been on many work sites where you can literally teach someone.
Like, I don't like looking at people as lesser, especially people that are on the floor.
tate brown
I do people as lesser all the time.
That's being American.
tony ortiz
I think you mentioned growing up.
I think that's the problem, though, is that we don't accept the fact that some people can't do certain things.
Whether it's a gender issue or a race, an ethnicity, a race issue, or just an intellect issue.
Like, there's going to be jobs that we can't do.
sean fracek
So I'm going to ask you this question.
So you think that your race prevents you from learning a job?
tony ortiz
There are some things that certainly, I mean, this is just factual.
Like, there are some races that excel at certain things over others.
And that's not, I don't think that's, I think it's actually better to accept.
sean fracek
Do you have any examples?
tony ortiz
I'm not going to give an example.
sean fracek
Well, I mean, let's get into it.
tony ortiz
I couldn't probably be a bodybuilder, right?
sean fracek
Because you're Mexican.
tony ortiz
I think I don't have the genetics for it.
Like, I look at my father and my family.
sean fracek
Oh, yeah, but that's, but I'm not saying, but your race, does your race actually prevent you from being able to do that?
tony ortiz
I think in some situations that there are specific things that you cannot do.
sean fracek
Examples, boys.
tony ortiz
Okay, Traga Field, all right?
Look at like football teams as majority blacks because they excel.
Like look at how they build muscle faster.
sean fracek
Well, I think that's a good idea.
tate brown
Faster muscle fibers.
tony ortiz
Yeah, absolutely.
You look at like some Asian people.
sean fracek
You don't think that comes from the culture that's pushing the kids to be in sports from like the age of five?
tony ortiz
I think that that's actually true.
I think science will actually show that black people have a tendency to build muscle faster and have earlier.
sean fracek
So, what you guys are saying is black people are better at sports than white people.
tate brown
Yes, obviously.
That's like everyone in our culture.
All right, I just want to get that out there with team sports.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's true.
sean fracek
I don't think it's true either.
I think you can choose.
tate brown
The NBA and NFL.
I mean, the NHL is a lot of fun.
libby emmons
But I mean, that's just recently.
That's just recently.
I mean, the NBA, like the NBA originally, it was mostly Jewish players.
You know, when they're all like plumbers.
tony ortiz
Yeah, but there's LeBron.
LeBronic is when you try to get to a higher elite level.
libby emmons
Like, yes, if you're from a certain base, it's just where we are right now culturally.
sean fracek
I think it's more culture.
In the black community, they really push their kids to focus on sports at an earlier age than in other groups.
serge du preez
Yeah, but I lived in America and have had white parents who've pushed their sons and daughters to be like soccer players.
That's all they do their whole life.
And ski racing as well, like ice ski race as a kid.
Like people put their entire life behind that.
And like, yo, your kid is never winning the FIS race.
It's never going to happen.
sean fracek
Understood.
I'm not saying anyone can do anything.
What I'm saying is your race doesn't necessarily prevent you from doing something.
Like you can be born in the city.
libby emmons
Of course, any race doesn't prevent you from doing something.
sean fracek
You could be born like Yao Meen was eight foot.
He was in the NBA forever.
They loved him.
libby emmons
And what about like what about the there was like a plethora of Eastern European basketball players for a while that were like dumb?
sean fracek
Yeah, the Europeans are crushing in the NBA.
And they're white, Tate.
tate brown
I know.
I'm just saying, like, I just think it's a non-starter if we're going to say that white Americans are just as likely.
libby emmons
But I think it's a bad argument.
I think that's totally cultural.
sean fracek
Yeah.
I agree.
tate brown
I grew up in Memphis.
I really wanted to go to the NBA.
You realize pretty quickly it's not going to happen.
sean fracek
But you, but I'm saying there is a white person like you, like taller than you and better than you, that could is what I'm saying.
tony ortiz
I think if we're talking generalities.
tate brown
Generalities.
Of course there's a lot of the norm.
tony ortiz
Exactly.
sean fracek
Right.
But also there's something to get rich.
unidentified
Right.
sean fracek
I mean, cooking hockey.
tony ortiz
Like that's a that's a very you also look at generalities in like um like gender.
Like men perform better in certain things than women do and vice versa.
tate brown
Women perform better than academic Olympiads.
You see that.
tony ortiz
And I think if you can accept the fact if you accept the fact that some that genders have superiority in certain things, then I think it makes sense that races would fall into that as well.
libby emmons
Gender and race are totally different.
sean fracek
Gender and race are different.
Also, too, like there is something in this country.
A, make colorblindness great again.
B, we were always taught, like, when we were kids, guess what?
With enough hard work, you can get there.
Totally.
Like, that's the message.
I'm still.
libby emmons
It's always true.
sean fracek
I know, but the message should still be to the kids.
Instead of telling kids, hey, you're victims, you're this, you're never going to get it.
libby emmons
Enough hard work, you too can read the Odyssey.
sean fracek
Like, you can do it.
Like, you can do it.
Put your mind to it.
tate brown
Okay, but you literally, you mentioned, you said someone taller than you can make the NBA.
So you're already conceding that your genetics absolutely.
sean fracek
Okay, fair.
So instead of maybe being a player, they can go into ads for the NBA.
They can go into some possible.
I'm just saying, dude, like sometimes your dream is your dream.
It's like, hey, I want to be in the NBA no matter what.
serge du preez
But they're not being prevented from it.
unidentified
Like, you can, just because you are able to do something doesn't mean you're going to be like, part of telling them their race doesn't allow them to do it.
sean fracek
It's a bad message.
unidentified
I agree.
serge du preez
That's what I think anywhere in the United States, anyone is telling you can't do something.
unidentified
You just said it on this.
serge du preez
That's my point.
The point is saying, like, it's bigger than just any person's skin color.
Like, skin color means almost nothing.
I got a friend from North London that has lived in London his whole life, and he's a black guy, and he doesn't have anything to do with like, but he's English in all sense of the word.
I understand that.
I'm not being an idiot here, but I'm saying like just the idea that someone has like their skin color is like the only thing that determines like we have a major issue in this country with cultural assimilation.
unidentified
Yes.
serge du preez
Cultural assimilation is the major issue with all of this immigration.
It has nothing to do with the skin color.
I don't care what your skin color is.
It matters if you can assimilate into the culture and become an American.
That's the issue.
I don't want to be like, oh, we can let anyone.
It's like, yeah, sure, anyone can do it, but can they reach those?
We're based on a meritocracy.
Can you reach the actual levels?
Just because you can do the job doesn't mean you're the optimal person for the job.
Doesn't mean you're the best person to be doing it.
sean fracek
But hard work.
serge du preez
Way bigger.
unidentified
Yeah, hard work, sure, but gets you there.
sean fracek
It's the point I make.
That needs to come back in our culture.
Like, we lost That the kids these days are being taught your sex, your race, whatever.
It's holding you back.
There's nothing you can do.
Our society stacked against you.
Instead of getting back to what the 90s and the 80s kids were told, it's like, hey, you want to do that?
Do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And look, we're telling people you can be anything you want, Goddess.
Shoot for the goddess.
sean fracek
If you shoot for the moon, the worst you can do is land on the stars.
tate brown
I'm not making any argument for like genetic determinism.
I'm just saying, like, people need to be kind of realistic and stop telling like five-foot women they can be cops.
tony ortiz
That's where I fall.
It's like, okay, you just have to be able to accept the fact that, you know, if you're five foot five, you're probably not going to be an NBA.
carter banks
I wanted them models.
And I walked into so many open calls in New York and they were like, get out of here.
You're not going to be able to do it.
sean fracek
Even with the police, though, there's clerical needs.
There's a whole bunch of office needs.
There's a whole bunch of stuff.
tate brown
I started talking about ICE officers and then you're making an argument.
sean fracek
It's like, no, the ICE has clerical needs.
They have logistical needs.
They need people mapping out where the trucks are going.
serge du preez
Like, there's definitely someone that's going to be better at doing that and someone's going to be worse doing that.
And I think right now we have a situation where it's like, oh, just because you can do the basic job, I see videos of people at Walmart that are not doing the job at all.
And like, oh, well, they worked four hours and I get this money.
It's like, I'm just quiet quitting.
I'm just trying to whatever get by.
It's like, I don't want you working there, bro.
Stuff needs to get on the shelves.
Like, stuff needs to happen.
We need to have a functioning country.
Just because some people can do the job theoretically doesn't mean they actually will.
It doesn't mean they have a real drive to actually.
sean fracek
But you're missing the point of the message.
The message is if you truly want to do it, hard work will get you there.
I understand what you're saying, Serge.
Like, if they don't want to do it, you're right.
You're not going to force a circle into a square peg, right?
But if somebody's truly motivated and they're like, this is my dream.
This is the thing I want to do.
We should be.
tony ortiz
But that messaging has gone too far because you're seeing so many institutions, whether it's schools or even military or police, they're lowering the standards because they want to accommodate that ideology.
sean fracek
Yeah, I'm not sure.
tony ortiz
They want to say, well, so you're telling somebody you can do whatever they want and they physically or literally can't.
So we're just going to lower the standards so that they can hit that.
sean fracek
Completely.
tony ortiz
That's the big problem.
sean fracek
That was never part of the messaging in the 90s.
It wasn't like work hard and you can achieve because we're going to lower the standards.
It's work hard so you know what it takes to do it.
serge du preez
Work hard to replace you with a ton of random people that we're going to bring to the country at the end of your college life.
sean fracek
That wasn't the message.
serge du preez
Sorry, our bad.
tate brown
We have a generation of children whose parents told them they can do anything they want.
They can be anything they want.
And that just raises a bunch of really, really entitled people.
sean fracek
I disagree.
I think it brings up people that actually think outside the box and can think past what society is putting on them as far as you can only do this.
It's America, dude.
That's the whole reason why we are America.
People come here because they know if you work hard enough here, you can do whatever you want.
serge du preez
Stop coming.
Yo, stop coming.
tate brown
Yeah, please.
sean fracek
You can't.
tate brown
Your dreams will not happen here.
We're full.
sean fracek
Yes, exactly.
We're full now.
But I'm saying that was always the idea.
tate brown
Unless you want to join ICE, then we can maybe make an exception.
sean fracek
I think telling kids that the white kids are oppressing the black kids and the black kids are victims and they're never going to make it.
That's a horrible thing.
tony ortiz
That's not what I was arguing either.
sean fracek
Yeah, well, that is what's being taught today.
carter banks
I thought we started with anyone could come and do anyone else's job if taught by somebody who does that job.
I don't agree with that.
sean fracek
Really?
carter banks
No.
sean fracek
Okay, give me a couple examples of jobs you think that can't be taught outside of weightlifting, which is.
carter banks
I mean, I could teach you how to be an audio engineer over the course of like 10 or 15 years if you're really good at music.
sean fracek
So you don't think anyone can learn how to be audio engineers?
libby emmons
I think it's pretty difficult to teach writing.
I mean, if you're teaching somebody who can write something better, we can't teach writing either.
You can teach somebody who can write to be a better writer, but I don't think you can teach someone who has no skill to be good.
sean fracek
Listen, there's always a percentage for the X factor in anything.
And I think if people have that X factor and a lot of times it's interest and passion, like autism to the point where they want to just do it, do it.
carter banks
You know what I mean?
sean fracek
Those are the people you can train.
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm not talking about you can train some Joe Shimo off the street that's like not interested at all.
I'm talking about the people at Ashley.
carter banks
Oh, I thought that's what I'm saying.
sean fracek
Yeah, no, no.
Like, yeah, you can get them there, right?
tate brown
Like, I think both are possible.
I mean, you look at the classic disposition, which is Leonel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.
Leonel Messi is like 5'6.
Nothing about he has a growth hormone deficiency.
Nothing about him would indicate this is going to be a top-level athlete.
And he's the greatest soccer player of all time.
On the other hand, if Cristiano Ronaldo is 6'3, physical special, he trains.
He's like has the most diligent diet probably on planet Earth.
And he's also achieved that very high level.
So it's like there is two pathways.
You could work your way there.
Or with Leonel Messi, he does work very hard, obviously.
sean fracek
But that's just natural.
tate brown
There's a natural talent level of talent.
And so it's like, it's the same thing with writing or the same thing as sound engineers.
You can teach someone to get to a really good point.
But to be that Leonel Messi, you just have to have that intangible talent that is born.
sean fracek
You know, and I don't know if you're too young, but like Muggsy Bogues was in the NBA.
Does anyone remember Muggsy Bogues?
He's like 5'1, 5'2?
I mean, what if people told him, oh, you're not tall enough, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
That dude was like an all-star.
I mean, there are exceptions.
So like, all I'm saying is it shouldn't be taken off the table.
We shouldn't be teaching kids that they're worthless and that they're victims.
We should be teaching them that you can do anything.
unidentified
Totally.
sean fracek
Put your mind to it.
Figure it out.
Especially if you have the passion.
tate brown
All right.
sean fracek
If you're American.
tate brown
I agree.
All right.
We need to get to super chats, I think, right, Serge.
Serge is kind of like coaching me through this whole situation.
I know it makes it like I look like I got it all locked down.
I'm putting it all together.
It's actually Serge throwing up hand signals.
I think you threw up a gang sign earlier, so we need to be a little careful.
But do you read every, do you just read every super chat?
serge du preez
I'll show you.
tate brown
We'll get through it.
sean fracek
Okay.
tate brown
All right.
Just point out while you're transitioning.
Hover over what I read.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
While you're transitioning, it's American, not American.
unidentified
Hey.
Hey, whoa.
tate brown
All right.
Join ice.
All right.
sean fracek
And lower the standards for ice.
I think a lot, I think you get a lot more.
tony ortiz
Four thing, I think, is for government.
sean fracek
Like, you have to have government experience.
It's like, no, we don't want people in the government.
They're worthless.
unidentified
All right.
tate brown
Well, it's time to read.
I got to lock in here.
James Adrinson says, good luck, Tate.
Hopefully, this won't be remembered as a tanked cast.
sean fracek
You can do anything you want on your last day.
tate brown
I think the jury is out so far.
I don't know.
We'll see what the people say afterwards.
What's it?
Raybert G. Stanbert Jr.
Cool that Tim got a long-lost Tate brother as a backup host.
Yeah, people don't realize having Tate as your name when you're scrolling through your Twitter feed and you see people like, Tate is a domestic abuser.
Tate kids trafficking women.
And I'm just like, the psychological impact that has reading your name, doing that over and over.
I'm like, I didn't do that.
I'm a good guy, I think.
I don't know.
But yeah, I appreciate it.
sean fracek
Wait till Liz comes out.
We'll see.
tate brown
Yeah, that's true.
Let's see.
Big 7588 says, the last time a citizenship question was included on the main U.S. Census questionnaire sent to every household was in 1950.
Bless you.
libby emmons
Thank you.
sean fracek
1950.
tate brown
1950.
That's according to Big 7.
sean fracek
The point I'm making with that is not that it's on the census.
The point I'm making with is these people don't, these people trust police officers less than black people.
You know what I mean?
Like, they don't want to talk to anybody.
libby emmons
Well, they tried to get the citizenship question on the census in 2019 ahead of the 2020, and it was not approved to go forward.
sean fracek
Yeah.
tate brown
Brett Dasevik.
Tate.
unidentified
Yes.
tate brown
Remember, boys, calories in, calories out.
serge du preez
I had to.
I had to.
tate brown
That's based.
It's based.
It's true.
Yeah, if you didn't see last night.
sean fracek
Oh, we got an extended version today from Tim on the calories in calories.
tate brown
Yeah, if you didn't see last night, the war, the psychological war, I would say, between Phil and Tim over calorie counting.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Was, I mean, it made Israel and Palestine look like a slight disagreement.
libby emmons
Wait, who agreed?
Who had which take?
tate brown
Phil was saying calorie deficit is all that matters to cut weight.
And Tim was saying, no, you need certain nutritional proteins and exercise.
sean fracek
And that way he references Neil LeGrass Tyson because Neil Grass Tyson's a fat ass.
And he makes the calorie in calorie out arguments.
libby emmons
I've only ever had success losing weight one time in my life, and it wasn't exercise and it wasn't calorie deficits.
sean fracek
So you exercise every day.
So what do you do?
libby emmons
No, I do now.
Oh, anxiety and depression.
Super effective.
I lost 30 pounds in like two months.
sean fracek
Oh, yeah, just don't eat it.
libby emmons
Amazing.
sean fracek
Just extended food.
libby emmons
I wasn't even not eating.
Not eating a calorie deficit.
sean fracek
Just being sad all the time.
libby emmons
Anxiety and depression.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Heron Gaming News says, I support the removal of junk food from food stamps, but pre-cooked deli items should be covered.
Some people don't know how to cook.
libby emmons
I agree with that.
That's a good take.
tony ortiz
Aren't they?
Well, in Texas, we recently just passed the removal of soda and candy for SNAP beneficial deliveries.
And so that was a really big deal for us.
And you know what's crazy and a lot of people aren't talking about is the soda industry, the PACs, were paying influencers to fight against that.
libby emmons
That's pretty dirty.
tony ortiz
It's very dirty.
And there's a lot of very influencers were being paid without disclosing to not promote, to promote not removing soda and candy.
libby emmons
I think that was a big turning point, actually, because the whole influencer getting paid to do stuff market, like with advertising, it's always very clear, like this is an advertisement.
When we run ads on the post-millennial website, and I know you do this too, right?
Like, you have to say, like, this is an advertisement.
And there haven't been standards for influencers.
It's such a new area.
tony ortiz
X has guidelines that the FEC has some gray guidelines about it, but they're not doing it.
And this is specifically a huge problem.
libby emmons
Do you think people are doing it now after that whole soda kerfuffle?
tony ortiz
No, absolutely not.
They're doing it today.
There's a plenty of, and I hate to say it, but there's a lot of MAGA influencers that are taking cash from PACs, from other organizations, directly from politicians in order to push policy.
There's this big MAGA influencer.
I'm not going to drop his name, but he was taking money from the green energy lobby, being paid $12 per petition to push solar energy in Texas.
And it was so disingenuous.
They were using the background.
They were using oil wells in the background of this petition.
But you were signing something that was promoting wind and solar energy in Texas.
And he got called out on it, immediately deleted it.
But there are companies that will, you can sign up if you're these MAGA influencers that will pay you to push petitions or policy, and they're not disclosing.
In fact, I posted this and I got approached by one, and they specifically ask you not to put it that it's an ad or that you're being paid for by it.
libby emmons
I don't have a problem with it so long as it's fully disclosed.
tony ortiz
I totally agree with you.
People should be able to be compensated for their following.
libby emmons
Yeah, absolutely.
But you shouldn't have to.
It should just be disclosed, just like with anything else.
sean fracek
I disagree with the super chatter, though.
I do think deli meat should not be a part of it because it's horrible for you.
It's full of sodium.
libby emmons
Make a little sandwich?
sean fracek
No, it's completely unhealthy.
And the argument of, oh, people don't know how to cook.
Come on.
YouTube teaches you everything.
libby emmons
No, I think that I think pre-prepared deli foods should be fine.
I think you should be able to get the stove first.
sean fracek
It's horribly unhealthy.
libby emmons
Well, I think you should be able to get some of this stuff.
Like, I think it's okay.
I am not a fan of putting chips and candy bars and sodas on.
But I think that there's a lot of room for lifestyle choices that are healthy within the rest of the framework.
This is not typically stuff that I buy.
I mean, I'll buy deli meat and like make a sandwich or whatever, you know.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, if the goal of Maha is to make the food more healthy that you're getting from government.
tony ortiz
A classical sandwich.
Like classic lunch is a ham sandwich.
sean fracek
But you can cook the chicken.
It takes two.
unidentified
Come on.
sean fracek
You go on YouTube.
Anyone can learn how to cook a chicken.
libby emmons
I don't think there's anything wrong with deli meat.
tony ortiz
No, I think it's okay.
libby emmons
You think they're eating a little ham and cheese, like you were saying?
tate brown
Yeah, do you think they're eating rotisserie chicken up on the Empire Sandy?
sean fracek
Rotisserie is good.
tate brown
They're sandwiched.
libby emmons
I like it.
unidentified
That's actually good.
sean fracek
Rotisserie should be fine.
libby emmons
I think you should also be able to get the pre-made sandwich on the pre-made potato salad.
serge du preez
Hoagie.
sean fracek
But they are also working their ass off.
tate brown
Yeah, because they're eating sandwiches.
That fuels the American man.
libby emmons
It's like a sandwich.
sean fracek
You can eat anything you want when you're working on skyscraper.
tate brown
Real.
Shane H. Wilder says, I'm sorry, Libby.
I'm going to be nerdy and correct you.
Jim Jones did not use Kool-Aid.
It was flavorade.
The dude couldn't even show out for the good stuff.
sean fracek
Yeah, well, they were socialists.
libby emmons
Yeah, there you go.
Well, if you're killing everybody, you may as well.
And actually, that is, of course, where, I mean, it's sort of apocryphal at this point because the phrase, drink the Kool-Aid, comes from the Jim Jones massacre.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
And nobody says drink the flavorade.
So I'm sorry, Shane.
The history of it has been replaced with the metaphor.
sean fracek
Also, to me, the real story was they didn't drink the Kool-Aid willingly.
It was by gunpoint.
carter banks
Yes.
sean fracek
Yeah, it was by gunpoint.
And those that didn't, they shot them anyways.
libby emmons
And they killed a congressman who went down there.
sean fracek
Congressman Robinson.
That's when it went all right.
As soon as that congressman died and they killed him.
carter banks
I would argue one arrow before that, but he definitely capped it off for sure.
sean fracek
And guess what?
They were socialists.
Didn't work.
Again, socialism failed again.
libby emmons
Also, wasn't he banging all the chicks on the compound?
Of course.
Yeah.
Always the guru guys you got to watch out for.
tate brown
Hey, I'm starting.
You know, the more I learn about these cults, the less I like them.
I've got to say.
unidentified
I got to say, I'm not a big fan of these.
sean fracek
I can't take the opposite of that argument.
I would love to take the opposite.
libby emmons
The cults are no bueno.
sean fracek
I can't name a good cult.
tate brown
I don't know what's happening.
sean fracek
Scientology is the most successful.
tate brown
Well, Heaven's Gate, they got some cool shoes out of it, I guess.
serge du preez
Yeah, and I just do their websites.
sean fracek
Exactly.
carter banks
They left one guy behind the site.
tate brown
All right.
Mike G says, count the illegals after they're rounded up and sent to detention centers in Red States.
Let's play really dirty.
sean fracek
Why are we sending them to detention centers?
Why would we just send them out of the country?
libby emmons
Well, because you got to put them somewhere before you get them on those flights.
sean fracek
Oh, I see.
Oh, staging.
libby emmons
Okay.
Yeah, like, what is it?
Speedway slammer in, where's the speedway slammer?
Is that going to be Indiana?
The speedway slammer?
Alligator Alcatraz in Florida.
Yeah.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, like, the cost to put them on planes and stuff, that's got to be insane.
libby emmons
Well, Biden was like, well, not exactly paying for people to come in, but he was facilitating all those people to come in.
It's got to cost money.
It's got to cost money to get people out.
sean fracek
Yep.
No, I get it.
tate brown
Here's a good one from Mehmed 2.
Illegals were filling out the census.
I did work census in 2010.
I was a census crew leader specifically because I spoke Spanish.
tony ortiz
Yeah, they really because you're to your point.
Hold on.
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
tony ortiz
I agree with you that the illegals are hesitant to talk to government, but these people were showing up in t-shirts, jeans, shorts, saying, Hey, talking to them in their native language, saying, fill out this form.
And it really put them at ease in order to fill something out.
sean fracek
I will say, 2010, though, there has to be a difference here because I understand what you're saying.
Illegals with the anchor babies are a lot more confident than the illegals that don't have the anchor babies.
So I'm sure the people he was talking to in 2010 had American kids that were.
So that would be interesting.
Maybe super chat or throw in the comments.
Let us know.
Like, how many of those illegals that he was censusing, surveying, had kids?
I'd like to know.
They're more confident.
tate brown
Could be.
TNP says, What's the chance we can get Kurt Kaz or Tyler Olivera or Balden Bankrupt on the podcast?
Would be good to get some travel vloggers on.
That would be sick.
Balden Bankrupt's like huge.
Yeah, he's really good.
sean fracek
Does he have a contact?
Tell him to reach out.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tate brown
Kurt Kaz, he's great.
I don't see as much from Tyler Olivera, but yeah, Kurt Kaz does a lot of wild videos.
serge du preez
Obligatory to the African shout out to Kurt Kaz.
But Tyler Livera just did that video.
We went to Paris.
I don't know if anybody's seen that, but like, I mean, I know like, I think probably Asmund and them covered the video and a tech tone covered it and stuff.
But like, the video is nuts.
If we just get people to go on the streets and show what it's really happening, it's.
tate brown
I still, I'm sitting on a bunch of travel vlogs from Africa that I got to do something with.
serge du preez
We should do something with them.
tate brown
I think we should do something with them, release them to the shameless plug.
sean fracek
Am I right?
tate brown
Well, no, I don't know.
They're just sitting on a hard drive.
Yes.
If anything, this is holding myself accountable to do something with.
sean fracek
Oh, there you go.
tate brown
Yeah.
Let's see here.
Andrew D from NP says, imagine Tulsi v.
Kamala and three full one-on-one debates.
sean fracek
Oh, Tulsi Rexer.
libby emmons
Tulsi wrecked her in 2020.
Yeah.
sean fracek
What do you guys think, Tulsi?
libby emmons
On the debate stage.
sean fracek
Tulsi.
tate brown
Yeah, it's not going to get up here and say Kamala would win really decisively.
unidentified
I do.
sean fracek
I mean, Libby, what do you think of this ticket?
Like JD Tulsi?
libby emmons
Maybe.
sean fracek
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, it's too early.
libby emmons
I mean, it really sort of depends on what happens with the Russia stuff, right?
sean fracek
What do you mean?
libby emmons
Like, she dropped all those documents alleging.
sean fracek
And she closed.
libby emmons
Yeah, alleging that Obama and Hillary Clinton.
sean fracek
Will we see arrests?
libby emmons
Will we see something come from that?
I think that that is actually so underreported right now.
sean fracek
It is.
libby emmons
And we really need to know.
sean fracek
It's a good thing you work for a news organization.
libby emmons
Well, we've been reporting on it, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Where can they find that?
libby emmons
They could find that in the post-millennial, Sean.
Hey, hey.
sean fracek
That's not a shameless plug.
See the difference?
tate brown
Someone you didn't see says, in keeping with Timcast tradition, we are here at the hospital for the delivery of our first child.
Want to shout out my wife for staying so strong through the pain, praying for a safe delivery.
We will pray for a safe delivery as well.
That is awesome.
tony ortiz
Congratulations.
sean fracek
Congratulations.
libby emmons
I will say, like, congratulations, that's wonderful.
sean fracek
Tim always talks about the population declining, but for some reason, every show, there's one or two kids that are born in the super chats.
libby emmons
That's very cool.
sean fracek
So, like, which way is it?
I can't wait for the census.
libby emmons
Everyone should have babies.
It's better than everything else.
tony ortiz
Maybe they need to watch more Timcast.
libby emmons
Maybe so.
tate brown
I think it does something to these people.
sean fracek
We have someone tomorrow that does not agree with that sentiment.
I can't wait.
libby emmons
Really?
That's because that's your essential.
sean fracek
Pelekamino.
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, I think having babies is the best.
sean fracek
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tate brown
It's a work in progress.
Vacant Stair says the asylums used to have large farms and they had the committed work in the farms or the other cottage industry.
Yeah, I mean, that's still the chain gang is still a thing.
Like we still use labor from like is he saying prison?
libby emmons
That's where we get our license asylum.
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tate brown
Speaking of the DMV, yeah.
sean fracek
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, we have all these people in prison.
Like, yeah, absolutely put them on the farms.
Like, you know, like, seriously, what are we doing?
It's crazy.
Like, we're just paying for them to live in these prisons.
The prisons are making money.
We're losing money.
tony ortiz
Didn't we used to have criminals or felons or whatever?
You also fighting fires?
sean fracek
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
They still do it.
I think they still do it.
And they have like ROTC programs too.
I think where they're going to join the military and stuff.
Like, all that's good stuff.
You know, like, why are we using a underclass of people that's not even from our country?
We literally are paying for people who have three meals, you know, and beds every night.
It's like, come on.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
And that don't pay them.
unidentified
See?
sean fracek
See, that's how you do it.
tate brown
They pay.
They pay the pay.
sean fracek
$2 an hour.
tate brown
Yeah, they pay the firefighters.
sean fracek
No, the prisoners.
I think it's something like $1 an hour, $2 an hour or something for the work they do, something like that.
tate brown
Yeah, it's like, because they make it sound like it's slaylayers.
They're getting compensated.
sean fracek
Right.
tate brown
Especially being in prison, your comments are runs out.
sean fracek
Exactly.
tate brown
That's a great thing.
But I've got to be careful pronouncing this one.
Kuman and get some.
Oh, come on and get some.
Dude, that was...
Scared.
No joke.
The farm thing is a great idea.
I know of a place called Renovis, Renovatus in Jefferson City, Tennessee.
It's a Christian-based program that houses them and has them learn skills on the farm.
Shout out.
sean fracek
Shout out.
What's his name?
Her name?
His name?
tate brown
Come on.
sean fracek
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
Get some.
But it's Renovatus in Jefferson City.
I mean, yeah, these places, I mean, they have like these programs where they send people to the troubled children to farms and these sorts of things.
sean fracek
And a lot, you know, a lot of it too, it's like, especially with troubled youths.
I know that word's being used a lot.
But a lot of times when they get into jobs and they actually go home from doing like a day's work, there's a sense of pride there.
And I think, again, like that's something that you can't measure, you know?
tate brown
Serge is finding me another chatty.
Is that this one?
This one's a good one.
unidentified
Yeah, the Bruce Bruce Sabolvaro.
tate brown
They edited the crime race profiles of arrested people into non-Hispanic and white to boost and drop numbers.
Yeah, well, you see like some of these mug shots.
sean fracek
Well, and then what Fox had on today, like the numbers, it was insane.
It was like white, it was down, down, down, down.
Black was up, up, up, up.
And then 2024 was like white was way up and black was way down.
I was like, what happened?
That typically doesn't happen.
Yeah, like what happened there?
tate brown
It could be returning to a very traditional view, like the founding fathers, where like Franklin viewed anyone that wasn't English as like swarthy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Maybe that's what's going on.
Yeah, maybe they're just returning to heritage.
sean fracek
Or like the post-millennial reporter, they're just messing around.
I can't swear yet, but messing around with the numbers.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Playing with the cooking the books.
tate brown
Daniel Irving says, parents to prison, that is dumb, unless you give parents 100% control over their children.
sean fracek
A parent should have 100% of their control of their children at all times.
If they're out there killing people, it's on the parents.
It's the values that they taught them and the fact that they're not supervising them.
It's their fault.
tony ortiz
Or if the child kills them.
Do we just jail the child?
Like, is that a way of doing that?
sean fracek
Well, both.
But the problem is that you can't, because of the way the system is set up now, the kids can't go to jail for now.
tony ortiz
We send them to jail then.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
carter banks
But I'm saying, like, to like get out and have no parents.
sean fracek
Right.
carter banks
You can still be in prison.
libby emmons
But like, parents don't.
I mean, Sean, you're completely misunderstanding how parenting works.
You don't have control of your child 100% of your time because the entire process of raising a child is going from when they are totally dependent on you to when they are not dependent on you at all.
And that's a process of, that's the process of raising your child.
If you raise your children, like there's a totally different situation between having a one-year-old, two-year-old through like 10 years old, you pretty much have control over your child.
But at a certain point, you put your child on the school bus.
They're going off to high school.
You do the best that you can.
And ideally, you've done a great job, right?
You feed your kid.
You sit down with your kid every night for dinner.
You talk to them all the time.
You're in touch with what's going on with them.
You don't know what's going on, yeah, but it's a process of growing your kid up so that they can take care of themselves and be part of the world.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, if you are, if your child is in a position where they've killed someone or did something horrible to another person, it leads me to believe that the parent has no idea what's going on in that kid's life because you would know, Libby, if your kid was like with the maniac Latin disciples or whatever, I'm sure you would know by now, right?
So, like, you as the parent should be responsible for like removing them from those situations.
That's all I'm saying.
Like, there needs to be more accountability on the parents.
libby emmons
Some parents don't know, and they think their kids are great.
carter banks
Some kids are psychopaths and can trick them.
sean fracek
Sure.
carter banks
Thinking, like, everything's cool.
sean fracek
Okay, that's an exception to the rule, then.
Most kids are not smarter than their parents.
Can outsmart them.
tony ortiz
Just cut off their funding.
serge du preez
Yeah.
sean fracek
What is that?
tony ortiz
Cut off their benefits.
serge du preez
No money.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
No, I'd say that.
tony ortiz
No, the parents cut off their benefits.
libby emmons
Beat them.
sean fracek
What benefits, though?
tony ortiz
What if they're taking like snap benefits or tax deductions on stuff?
Whatever.
Just eliminate that.
Your kid commits crimes.
It won't stop.
You don't get government benefits anymore.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, like, not all kids that cause crime are on EBT.
Well, like, the parents need to be an active role.
tony ortiz
Find the parents.
If your kid keeps breaking into cars, you owe the government $7,000.
sean fracek
That's the issue I have with the Elon statement because it's like, oh, about like, oh, having kids, such a good thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They keep missing the part of the messaging.
Hey, when you have a kid, guess what?
Your life is now focused on that kid.
And a lot of parents, especially these days with how hard it is economically, they think, oh, I can have a kid and like, oh, it's going to be fine.
No, no, no.
You need to like sacrifice and take care of that kid.
And that means being a part of their life, talking to them, knowing what they're doing.
And if they're in crime and doing all this other stuff, that's on you.
Sorry.
It's on you.
tate brown
Omega Rosettsu.
serge du preez
Just Japanese Rosetsu, I think.
tate brown
Oh, sorry.
Oh, my bad.
All right.
As an individualist, I cannot agree with this potato in a blue jacket.
If the parents have done everything to prevent criminality, you should not punish the parents because peer pressure exists.
sean fracek
I love this rage bait.
I love it.
It works in high school.
Like, if your kid's not going to high school and they're not showing up and they're truants, you know, like the high schools will go after the parents.
Obviously, it's not straight to jail, but like over time, if they're like completely delinquents and they're not showing up and they're doing all these horrible things on the street or whatever, and the parents aren't doing anything about it.
Yeah.
Jail.
carter banks
So how many years should the parents go to jail for like a school shooter or something like that?
sean fracek
Ooh, a long time.
carter banks
Like forever?
sean fracek
Maybe.
Like it depends.
tony ortiz
It depends on like what you're trying to have to show that you needed an environment as a parent or you allowed this to happen.
Like if you're a parent and your child ends up being a school shooter and you bought the kid the gun, you knew he was suicidal.
You knew he was bipolar and like all the signs were there, then yes, maybe punish the parent.
sean fracek
But Tony's coming around.
tony ortiz
He's warming up.
But if like you just wake up one day and your kid just like totally flips the script and maybe does some crazy drugs that causes like then for exception.
sean fracek
Yeah, there are definitely exceptions to the rule.
But if your kid's the weirdo kid that like doesn't shower and bathe and sits in the corner and like cries or whatever and you know nothing about it, like there's an onus on you as a parent, right?
And like Tony said, they shouldn't have access to guns if they're crazy.
Like sorry.
carter banks
No, they shouldn't.
tate brown
Eric Shaver says, how do you guys complain about bums asking for money when you get paid through ad fraud inflation to sit around and B-word?
You guys are the SH bums.
You like being chastised by homeless people?
Is that the implication?
I mean, I'll send them your way if that's what you want because you're like Mr. High and Mighty here.
sean fracek
Oh my God, that's such an uninformed take to like the amount of work and sacrifice Tim has put into this company and the amount of like he's putting 15, 16 hours a day.
This team here working 15, 16 hours a day, working six days this week, seven days coming up.
We got some other things coming up.
Like it never stops here.
But it's our passion.
We love to do this work.
Libby can talk about it too.
She's up in the morning 6 a.m.
When are you going to get it?
libby emmons
What about it at 6?
sean fracek
7 a.m.
libby emmons
7.
sean fracek
When you go to bed?
libby emmons
Like midnight.
sean fracek
Okay.
Most people don't are not doing that, right?
So like 7 a.m. to midnight is a lot of work.
So This guy has no idea what he's talking about.
tate brown
Yeah, Eric, yeah.
sean fracek
Sorry, Eric.
tate brown
Relax.
Methos 671 says, I hate to say it, but I think the frontrunner is going to be Corey Booker.
sean fracek
Oh, yikes.
libby emmons
Do you think so, Corey Booker?
tate brown
Speaking of potatoes and clothing, geez.
libby emmons
I'm interested to know why you think that.
carter banks
Oh, man.
sean fracek
For the Democrats.
I mean, I hope it.
I mean, obviously.
But I don't disagree just because all of the press on the Democrat side, like any live stream I see from like the DNC or whatever always has him in it.
You know, like he really is popular.
But so is what's his face, Newsom.
And Newsom has a podcast.
libby emmons
So yeah, but Newsom has a podcast because he's trying to launch a run for president.
unidentified
Yep.
sean fracek
Well, that's what I mean.
Yeah.
So like I think that that inches him out over Booker just because he has a podcast.
That would be my guess.
tate brown
Is this one good?
serge du preez
Patriot one.
tate brown
Patriot Paladin.
I am 5'7, a Marine and soldier who OGT'd all of my skills and picked up a lot of advanced skills and positions before I got my bachelor's.
Paper is just an appeal to authority.
sean fracek
Thank you.
tate brown
I agree.
Hard work beats talent when talented.
sean fracek
What's the phrase?
Hard work, baby.
tate brown
Yeah.
So it's like, yeah.
Well, I mean, you have the talent of like having an insane work ethic.
sean fracek
Grind, grind.
tony ortiz
I see a lot of these American schools.
It makes them more lazy and more entitled.
It's just a, it's just like a glorified high school than it is like actually learning anything.
Some, of course, some professions, like, like, I wouldn't want a, I'd want a doctor that has a master's and doctorate degree, like, of course, like, but not, you know, I will say like, I went, my high school was really hard.
libby emmons
College was less hard, and graduate school was the easiest.
sean fracek
Yeah.
But there is a value to grind, and you got to grind.
Life is all a grind.
libby emmons
I wonder if that's why it was easier.
I got better at working hard.
Yeah.
sean fracek
Well, find what you're passionate about because the grind becomes enjoyment and not, you know, like I've been in the jobs where I hate them.
You know, it's like you're going in, you're punching the clock.
You know, you have to be there eight hours.
Sometimes you have to be there 12 hours.
I get it.
The rat race sucks, but like you have to grind.
And like, I just fear we're teaching these kids.
Like it's like, there's nothing you can do.
So just give up.
I mean, how many Gen Zers are on the show saying, nothing ever changes.
Nothing ever happens.
It's like they're completely numb to anything.
And look at it.
It changed.
Look, you're Tim tonight.
Look at that.
Something changed.
tate brown
Sailor Motoko says there were clerical workers in Haiti that literally could not learn how to alphabetize, couldn't even conceptualize it.
So you can't just teach people how to do a job in all cases.
I mean, Afghanistan's exhibit A. Like we tried so hard to teach them democracy and they just were not into it.
carter banks
Didn't grind.
tate brown
That's the problem.
Yeah, maybe they just had to work hard into it.
Well, no, it's like you can't.
sean fracek
Military action will never change, will never change an ideology.
You can't go in and force someone to believe something.
tate brown
I think ideologies are also just instead of being top down, they're bottom up.
carter banks
Like a forced passion.
sean fracek
Right.
It's like the Japanese love our culture and they're always been like impressed by us.
So like jeans and like American stuff is popular there.
In Afghanistan and Iraq, they hate us.
And then you have Obama like killing all their kids all the time.
It's like, of course they're going to hate us.
tate brown
Yeah.
Devin H says, we have robots that pick strawberries.
Look at Oshi Farm Corp in Jersey City.
They pick the very self Japanese strawberries too.
Energy costs is what kills vertical farming.
Yeah, yeah.
I see a lot of stories of how energy intensive some of these operations are.
tony ortiz
Tlinkers need energy.
tate brown
It's true, dude.
tony ortiz
We're taking our energy.
tate brown
We're taking our energy, dude.
libby emmons
Fracking toasters.
tony ortiz
Fracking toasters.
sean fracek
Oh, no.
There's going to be some bad ones coming out.
You know it.
I'm not even going to try.
tate brown
This one from Millennial Mama.
Millennial Mama says, it's always rich getting parenting advice from a bunch of dudes who have no kids.
Not everyone can avoid elementary school.
Some parents are actually doing the best they can.
I didn't say anything, so I'm absolving myself.
sean fracek
I think the wrong one.
libby emmons
Millennial Mama, you are onto something.
sean fracek
Well, Millennial Mama, I think, is taking offense to the wrong thing.
Millennial Mama's involved in her kids' life.
libby emmons
Now you're going to speak for me.
sean fracek
The people I'm talking about.
Listen, the people I'm talking about are the people that haven't been.
libby emmons
I apologize on behalf of the Blue Hoodie over here.
sean fracek
The people that have no presence in their kids.
And we all know those people.
We could pretend like everyone's a great parent, but we know that's not the case.
Like there are some people that are more active in their kids' lives and some that aren't.
And typically when you're more active, guess what?
The kids typically do better, right?
That's all I'm saying.
tate brown
All right.
Well, I think we're good to wrap.
Let's see, 950.
Yeah, let's get.
serge du preez
Take one more.
tate brown
Let's take one more.
serge du preez
Okay.
tate brown
Let's see.
Ooh, this is Canada.
Okay, Josh.
Josh, this one, Josh.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This one.
tate brown
Josh Berg says, I just read a story today about a kid who was born at 22 weeks, but we deport the illegals and we up the cost of abortions to pay for their medical treatment and we fix our population crisis.
sean fracek
Wait, say it one more time?
tate brown
I just read a story today about a kid who was born at 22 weeks, but we deport the illegals and we up the cost of abortions to pay for their medical treatment and we fix our population crisis.
serge du preez
That was the wrong one.
It's okay.
I think I rumbled this one mixed up.
It's fine.
Oh, got it.
tate brown
All right.
sean fracek
Yeah, well, those are the things.
tate brown
That was like a riddle, I think.
I got to sleep on that one to figure out what he meant.
It sounds like it was maybe offensive, but join the member show is going to be fun.
sean fracek
People yelling at me about a parent, there's going to be fan channels.
tate brown
Yeah, so we're going to head to the Rumble uncensored version.
People are going to lay into Sean, so sign up soon be there.
Tony, you want to shout anything out?
tony ortiz
No, I appreciate you having me on.
If you're a Texan watching this, appreciate you following us.
We post just about Texas news.
tate brown
Where can people find you?
tony ortiz
CurrentRevolt.com or Twitter at currentRevolt.
tate brown
Beautiful, beautiful.
Sean?
sean fracek
Producer Sean, follow us.
Timcast News Everywhere.
It's going to be a fun after show.
So if you are a Rumble member, if you have to subscribe to us on Rumble, you can join that show.
So do that.
tate brown
Sweet.
Carter?
carter banks
Carter Banks, you can follow me everywhere at Carter Banks and also Trash House Records.
We'll have some cool announcements coming soon.
So follow us there.
Libby.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons with The Postmillennial.
You can find me on Twitter.
And I would love it if you subscribe to my newsletter, which is thepostmillennial.com/slash Libby.
I send it out every day, just things I've been thinking about and a bunch of stories.
And also, I just want to shout out: we have a new sponsor, newsquiz.io, so you can check that out.
And it's a daily news quiz that is kind of like the New York Times one, except that we source all local, you know, conservative outlets.
So local, national, mostly.
But sorry.
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unidentified
Thanks.
tate brown
And thank you, Timcast viewers, for hanging in there with me.
sean fracek
Great job, Tate.
tate brown
Right across the finish line.
So Tony made it easy.
He's the best.
He's the GOAT.
You can find me at RealTate Brown on X and at RealTate on Tate Brown on Instagram.
I think I said there.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Anyway, at RealTate Brown, anywhere you'll find it.
We're going to head to that Rumble Uncensored live show.
Thank you for watching.
We'll be back tomorrow.
See you later.
unidentified
See you later.
See you later.
You you Howdy, howdy, howdy.
tate brown
Welcome back.
We're here behind the paywall, I guess you could say.
Anyway, it's going to get wacky and wild.
It's uncensored.
We're going to let it fly.
It is going to be determined.
Sean's probably going to be in the driver's seat for that.
But we wanted to talk about, this is a story we didn't get to get to.
It's pretty, it's everywhere.
You've probably seen it.
South Park is parodying, parodying American politics.
And J.D. Vance and Charlie Kirk are actually embracing it.
They're pretty hyped up.
JD Vance, obviously, we saw the Welcome to Mar-a-Lago post.
JD Vance says, well, I finally made it.
And here we go, Libby Emmons.
Charlie Kirk says, first of all, I just think it's hilarious.
And secondly, the whole thing is so like, so a campus thing.
I've been doing it for 13 years to debate college kids.
Now it gets prominent primetime placement on Comedy Central.
I think the whole thing is just awesome.
libby emmons
Yeah, we should watch this clip.
tate brown
Let's watch the clip.
unidentified
I loved the joy that you love abortions.
It's the stupidest haircut I've ever seen.
First of all, I just think it's hilarious.
And secondly, the whole thing is like, wait, so a campus thing I've been doing for 13 years to debate random college kids has now been so important that it gets prominent primetime placement on Comedy Central.
I think the whole thing is just awesome.
sean fracek
It's been attracting so much.
tony ortiz
I think it's great too.
And leaning into it is obviously the answer, but also like that's the correct lean in as well because it's funny.
libby emmons
It is, yeah.
tony ortiz
It's super funny.
And I don't know.
sean fracek
It's the best strategy for Kirk, for Vance, is to own it.
This is what the Mormons did when the Book of Mormon came out.
The Mormons are actually running ads in the playbill.
You know what I mean?
Like they were actually advertising on it.
It absolutely is what it is.
But I do agree with Tim.
Like, I do think South Park is being very like the creators.
Their heart isn't in it anymore.
They're just not motivated.
They're not hungry.
tony ortiz
It's low effort.
sean fracek
This is low hanging fruit.
Like, it's not creative.
And it's, they said it wasn't going to be about Trump at all.
And like, it's like first two shows now about Trump.
So it's like, right.
libby emmons
Where's the creativity?
I thought that some of it was pretty funny.
I have to say, like, my biggest laugh, because I watched the show last night and I was pulling clips for Postmillennial.
Because sometimes that's what you do when you're the boss.
sean fracek
You just have to do this.
libby emmons
Everybody's off.
But the, you know, my favorite part was JD Vance as tattoo from Fantasy Island.
That's what that was.
Do you guys?
Does anyone remember?
sean fracek
Yeah, I remember Tattoo the Midget.
libby emmons
Fantasy Island was this old show and it had Ricardo Mondelbon playing Mr. Rourke and it had tattooed going, de plane, boss, deploy, deplane.
And so when JD Vance walks out, you know, as tattoo, I kind of did dive.
tony ortiz
The Zoomers and the younger millennials aren't going to get that.
sean fracek
No, that's the point.
But that's okay.
libby emmons
I mean, people like my age have been watching South Park since it came out.
You know, I definitely haven't been watching it the whole time.
What I'm saying is I thought that was so funny.
And I loved how Charlie Kirk leaned into it.
He leaned into it when the trailer dropped.
And I thought, like, he changed his profile picture.
Changed his profile picture.
And I thought, that's the way to do it.
Like, love it.
sean fracek
That's the way to do it.
libby emmons
what that means is Charlie is, and this whole movement is so at the forefront of what's going on in culture that they need to spoof it.
sean fracek
I mean, I agree with you there, but that's the way to do it.
I do think they did the right job by leaning in.
But what I'm saying is the left is saying any criticism of this, it's like, oh, you guys are making, you know, oh, you're so mad, mad, conservatives, or whatever.
When it's like, no, they could have done so many better plot lines.
They could have done so many better things.
libby emmons
But what I'm saying is it is season 27.
carter banks
What I'm saying is when they got to Mar-a-Lango.
sean fracek
What I was saying earlier, though, is they're literally just copying the playbook that MAGA put.
That's all I'm saying.
It's like they don't have an original idea.
They're literally just copying it.
libby emmons
But isn't that sort of what's been going on in this kind of satirical comedy for a long time?
Like, reality is so stupid.
sean fracek
They didn't do it with Joe Biden.
libby emmons
It's so ridiculous that you almost can't spoof it.
sean fracek
They didn't do it with Joe Biden.
libby emmons
No, they didn't do it with Joe Biden.
sean fracek
No.
I'm just saying.
What they did do, though, they're playing the same MAGA card that we're playing.
They're just, they're changing it.
They're using the same playbook.
carter banks
They had way better episodes, though, because I used this one episode where they were tearing down a Christopher Columbus statue in the audition tape I made.
And I laid it over real life during 2020.
And they called it before it happened.
So they used to be on the ball and it was funny.
tony ortiz
Because they would turn around episodes like within four hours.
They were at like the, that's what made them interesting is like they were at the like bleeding edge of comedy becoming an issue.
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