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tate brown
Good evening everybody, producer Tate here, Tate Brown holding it down.
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His throat is gone and we need him locked in for the Culture War Live this weekend.
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You gotta give me a chance.
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So at least give us like 10 minutes and then if you don't like it then you can do whatever you're going to do anyway.
But we got some massive stories tonight so you're going to want to stay around.
The first one, get your calculator, get your abacus.
It's census time.
Trump wants a new census and he's going to get one.
Maybe we'll get into it.
Redistricting has obviously been in the news recently and it's heating up.
Trump wants to go in.
He's demanding that we get a new census.
We have to count because there's a lot of illegals in the country.
There's a lot of states where we're overcounted and a lot of states that are undercounted.
We have to get it right.
So we're going to get into that.
We also have the Texas redistricting situation heating up.
We just had a memo sent out to House Representants that members that have broken the quorum have to head back to Texas to get their checks.
So it's a little bit of a standoff, a Texas standoff.
The Dems in flight aren't too bright deep in the heart of Texas.
I came up with that about thirty seconds ago.
Tough crowd.
Anyway, also DC is a total disaster zone.
Nothing new there.
We all know this.
It's a blue city.
But we got an interesting story.
The DC police commander was falsifying violent crime data.
So if you thought the violent crime data was bad, it's actually much worse.
He was, as we say in the Zoomer world, capping.
And finally, in addition, we got some more stories coming, but the last big, big one we got is Steve Bannon secretly running for president.
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But to discuss that and everything else, we got Tony Ortiz.
tony ortiz
So happy to be here.
Thanks for having me.
I'm excited that you're hosting.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, you're here for the first, so it could be the last.
I don't know.
tony ortiz
I think it's the third time I've been here actually.
tate brown
Oh, there we go.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
So it's the first time with you though.
tate brown
Right.
Okay.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
We were chatting earlier in the week about Texas stuff.
tate brown
We were.
We were.
Yeah.
If you were catching the morning live shows, you would have seen Tony on there cooking.
But yeah, who are you?
What do you do?
tony ortiz
Yeah, Tony Ortiz.
I'm the publisher for Current Revolt.
We are kind of like a national enquirer for Texas news, Texas political news, and publish a lot of really great breaking stories and kind of insider stuff going on at the Capitol.
I've been doing it for about five years, and you can follow us on Twitter at currentrevolt or currentrevolt dot com.
tate brown
Cool, love it.
We also got producer Sean.
sean fracek
Producer Sean in the house, guys.
Thanks for having me.
If you're still here after seeing Tate's face, thank you very much.
tate brown
Yeah, thank you.
sean fracek
I'm on the hashtag give Tate a chance.
tate brown
Really, that's a beautiful thing.
You know, I've been pushing that since high school.
sean fracek
I know, and no one's listening.
It's okay.
But yes, thank you.
Thank you for being here.
Here, typically I'm doing the clips for the show, so tonight no clips, sorry about that, but follow us, Timcast News.
tate brown
It's true, everyone.
We have Carter in the cut.
carter banks
What's up?
Carter Banks here, Timcast music producer and audio engineer and Trash House Records.
Tate, this is your first, is this your first Tatecast?
tate brown
This is the first Tatecast.
Wow.
carter banks
Tater, it's a pleasure to be a part of it, and welcome, Tony.
tony ortiz
Thanks for having me.
carter banks
Also from Texas.
tate brown
It's beautiful.
tony ortiz
Oh really?
Which part?
carter banks
Dallas.
tony ortiz
Oh, same.
carter banks
Oh yeah?
tony ortiz
Wow.
carter banks
Cool, man.
libby emmons
Small world.
tate brown
Like neighbors.
carter banks
Yeah.
Also, we got Libby hanging out.
tate brown
Legendary Libby.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Amons.
I'm filling in for Phil, which is always exciting for me, so this is great.
I'm on team Give Tate a Chance as well.
I'm with the Postmillennial and Human Events, and let's get into it.
tate brown
Let's do it.
Well, let's get to this first story from the New York Times.
Trump demands census excluding undocumented immigrants amid redistricting fight.
President Trump said Thursday that he had ordered the Commerce Department to begin work on a new census that excludes undocumented immigrants as he and his allies pressure Republican-led states to redraw their congressional maps to benefit the party.
A new census would be a significant departure from a process stipulated by the Constitution to occur every ten years.
Historically, the census has counted all U.S. residents regardless of their immigration status.
A process that helps determine both the allotment of congressional seats and billions of dollars in federal money sent to states.
Quote, people who are in our country illegally in all caps will not be counted in the census, quote, end quote, mister Trump wrote in a post on social media.
Guys, do you think we're going to get redistricting?
libby emmons
You mean mid decade?
tate brown
Mid decade districting?
Do you think this is going to work out how we think it is?
libby emmons
Well, it's all the states have their own rules about it, right?
As we're seeing with Texas that can call a special session and try and get down to it.
California and New York both have independent commissions that are responsible to do redistricting and they're supposed to do it in accordance with the the census, which is every ten years.
Gavin Newsom has threatened to try and undertake redistricting with a ballot measure.
Kathy Hochel has done something similar.
You also had Maura Healy in Massachusetts threatening to do redistricting to further marginalize the entirely marginalized conservative voices in Massachusetts because of all nine congressmen from Massachusetts, not a single one is a Republican.
There are no Republican districts.
There's pretty much no Republican districts, I think, except a couple in Maine, maybe, in the entirety of New England.
I like this idea of getting a census that counts Americans.
I'd like to know how many of us there are.
I think that would be really cool to see what the breakdown is, you know?
I imagine it would be, you know, mostly white and black and probably a little Hispanic as well in terms of like what the majority citizenship is.
sean fracek
Well, I got, I got an idea.
libby emmons
It would be pretty interesting to hear.
sean fracek
You got an opposite take on this.
I don't think illegals were ever filling out the census to begin with.
I, you know, I think like, I agree.
I do want to see the census.
I want to see the census more from the fact of what the actual COVID numbers were.
Because like some people were saying, you know, million deaths.
libby emmons
COVID numbers.
sean fracek
Oh, and some people, you know, people on the left are saying more people are dying of COVID.
People on the right are saying less people are dying of COVID.
So I, I'm more interested in that.
But I don't think illegal immigrants ever ever took the census?
libby emmons
Well, no, there was a huge push in 2020 and I think under Obama for immigrants, illegal immigrants, to fill out the census.
tony ortiz
Right, they were even pushing it.
It was a huge deal.
Yeah, they were actively asking immigrants and Hispanics to fill this thing out.
libby emmons
And it specifically didn't have the citizenship question.
tony ortiz
I made a big deal about it.
sean fracek
I understood, but you have to understand, these people are here legally.
They don't trust the police at all.
You know what I mean?
Like, do you, I mean, I understand what you're saying, I'm Barack Obama, oh, I'm cool, I play basketball or whatever.
Just because, you know, like they're not going to trust him.
You know what I mean?
Like the form was posted here for you to name out.
libby emmons
And then you just send it in.
carter banks
Yeah, they came in.
We're going through the door.
unidentified
Yeah, it was about the second.
tony ortiz
Yeah, they were going through the door.
sean fracek
Just don't answer your door.
libby emmons
But that's not, I mean, I'm sure some illegal immigrants didn't take the census, but I bet a bunch of them did.
sean fracek
It's going to be interesting to find out.
libby emmons
You know, I mean, in terms of Texas, I'm super interested about redistricting, what that would look like, because didn't Texas get like 1.3 million more people or something since 2020?
tony ortiz
And, you know, it's going to be a big deal.
We're supposed to pick up, I think it was like five more seats.
Well, that's the idea.
libby emmons
Do you think it's going to work or do you think it's going to backfire?
tony ortiz
You mean the redistricting?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tony ortiz
They're going to get it.
Yeah.
This is all posturing by the Democrats.
Like they've done this before where they've left the state twice.
They fled, right?
In 2000, I think it was like 2002, they fled for redistricting then, and we still got it passed.
And then in 2000, I think it was 20, the Republicans are passing laws to for strict voter restriction laws and voter identification laws.
And they left claiming that was racist, of course.
And we got that passed.
And now they're doing it again, and we're going to get it passed.
They're using it as a fundraiser, and of course, Republicans are too, but Democrats are using this as a fundraiser way to show that they're fighting, because this is a very big deal.
sean fracek
How much do you trust the data?
Maybe Tate, you can answer.
I don't know.
How much do you actually trust the census data?
tate brown
It's difficult to trust the census data.
We actually have it here.
This was from Aidan Buzzetti.
He was commenting on this today.
The 2020 census significantly overcounted blue states and undercounted red states.
Rhode Island and Minnesota both kept a seat they shouldn't have or they should have lost.
Colorado got a new seat they shouldn't have at all.
Florida lost out on two seats, Texas on one.
You can see here, I mean, among overcounts, they're saying Hawaii, Utah, Minnesota, Ohio, Delaware, New York, Rhode Island, Massachusetts.
Obviously, Ohio and Utah are the only red states there.
And as far as undercounts go, we had Texas, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida, and Illinois, Illinois being the only blue state.
So if you look at overcounts and undercounts, this obviously favors Democrats quite heavily.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think it often favors Democratic states heavily, you know, and I think Democratic states are also those where you have the most illegal immigrants, right?
California, New York, Illinois, you can throw in Texas and Florida for the odd ones out, but Yeah, I mean, I just don't even trust the government to run the government.
sean fracek
I mean, they're always running out of money.
libby emmons
Oh, sure.
I mean, you're going to be black pilling, that's the kind of thing you're going to be.
sean fracek
No, no, I'm just saying, like I don't trust them to do anything, like construction, running companies, like literally anything.
They don't do anything.
libby emmons
They're not supposed to run any companies.
sean fracek
So like, I guess maybe Libby, since you're the smartest of us, how does the census data actually work?
Is it like the old school rating system where it's like they sample like a small sample and like expound it?
libby emmons
No, it's literally they try and count every single person with a form.
So they go, like Carter was saying, they go door to door.
They go to every house.
carter banks
And at home they'll come back.
libby emmons
Right.
And also like if you don't fill out your census by mail, they'll come find you.
And they try and count every single person.
One thing that's been really interesting about the census is how they keep changing the questions, right?
So citizenship used to be on the census and now it's not.
I think that's right, Tony.
And then you also have a situation where they used to ask race differently, right?
Like I don't remember what those questions were, but I know race used to be asked in different forms.
tony ortiz
Race or ethnicity.
libby emmons
Race or ethnicity.
Yeah.
And so now it's like, I think you can fill out Asian American Pacific Islander, which I don't know how all of those things are the same.
That seems very weird.
tate brown
Well, they do it now where it's these broad categories and you can identify yourself with the sub.
So like you could do Asian Pacific Islander, but then you can say I'm Laotian, but a lot of people don't bother with the second part.
libby emmons
And so it ends up like they also they don't have like I remember filling out the census in 2020 and there was white and non-Hispanic white.
tate brown
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
Like when I buy a firearm in Texas, I have to fill out a form each time and it like I have no choice.ice but to fill out white.
And I was joking with the guy I was talking to.
libby emmons
You have to fill out your race to buy a firearm.
tony ortiz
I had to do a background check.
Yeah, I know, right?
Yeah.
Democrats think you can just walk in and just grab a firearm.
It's not that easy.
libby emmons
But plus, like, why does the government need to know the race of the people buying weapons?
tony ortiz
Well, I assume it's for like, when you commit a, if you commit a crime, right?
And that's what I was talking about with the guy at the store.
I was like, so I'm filling this out and I have to fill out white in this portion.
And this portion just says white.
And I said, so if I were to commit a crime with this, would it be labeled as a white crime?
And he's like, yeah.
And I'm very clearly brown, right?
And it's just very odd.
tate brown
Yeah.
They even like, if you're like Egyptian, you identify white like most Arabs.
and Middle East and North Africans also identify as Like many Cubans identify as white also.
Well, that's the whole idea of Hispanic as a categorization is just totally redundant because it's like Leonel Messi is 100% Italian but he classifies as Latino.
If his parents moved to Earth, his grandparents moved to New Jersey, he would be white.
libby emmons
So it's like, it's funny that if Hispanics had come here, it's like, no, now you're Mexican.
sean fracek
They should have done Latino or Latinx.
And then we'd see which one they, you know what I mean?
Which one actually people prefer?
And I don't think it's Latinx.
I mean, Tony knows.
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Yeah, I don't think it's Latinx.
You talk to most Hispanics, they don't buy.
sean fracek
They don't even know what it is.
tony ortiz
They actually, it's funny the left, like, created like colonization of the language.
Yeah.
So you kind of like flip that on them.
It's like, oh, you're colonizing the Spanish language.
libby emmons
Oh, that's fascinating.
It's like, it is appropriation.
sean fracek
It is.
libby emmons
It is like, yeah.
It is colonialist.
tony ortiz
It is.
libby emmons
To remake the language to get rid of the, you know, feminine or masculine.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
And it's all these white liberals pushing it.
libby emmons
Every time.
tony ortiz
It's so crazy.
sean fracek
Every time.
Latinx.
So what do you think, Tate, what's the chat saying about the census?
Do they trust the government?
tate brown
Well, I don't think it's, I mean, you think you have to trust the government in this situation.
We're going to do not have a census.
libby emmons
I think we do need a census.
And I think that there should be a citizenship question.
And I think we need to know how many Americans there are.
And then I think that House of Representatives apportionment should be based on the number of citizens and not just the number of people.
tate brown
Right.
Well, you had the, I mean, you had in 2019 when Trump tried to do this the first time, as the Supreme Court said, no, this is not a matter of law.
We're not resolving a constitutional quagmire.
This is politically motivated.
This go around since hypothetically Trump has five years to get this done.
He can, he can take his time here.
They can actually put together a really good case to circumvent any court intervention.
tony ortiz
Democrats don't want this, right?
There was this account, Refined Populist on Twitter, and they were saying that if they do this and they properly measure for the seats that Democrats, it could cost Democrats 42 seats, right?
And so this is brutal for them.
libby emmons
The last time citizenship was on the census was 1950.
unidentified
Wow.
sean fracek
Oh, interesting.
libby emmons
Yeah.
sean fracek
I would I guess it kind of calls BS a little bit on our technology, because don't you think at this point we should be beyond the fact of someone having to knock on a door?
libby emmons
No, I think we don't have a better way to do a count.
carter banks
I think because we don't have a satellite, they already know the number that you're supposed to give them, they just want to see if you got it.
sean fracek
Okay.
libby emmons
Oh, okay.
Taxes.
Do you file your taxes and you get it wrong?
carter banks
Exactly.
libby emmons
They're like, we know how much you owe.
sean fracek
But what about, like, the satellites orbiting the Earth that can literally just look right into homes?
We don't have that tech.
I thought we had that tech.
libby emmons
I think that paper is a good way to do it.
And I think all our voting should be on paper and properly tallied by counting paper.
unidentified
Okay.
sean fracek
Yeah.
We saw how that happened with the 2020 election.
libby emmons
No, they didn't do that.
That was that was mail and ballot.
sean fracek
Oh, yeah, the mail and ballot.
But okay.
It's still paper based though.
libby emmons
Well, Nancy Pelosi came out in like, what, April or May of that year of 2020 and was like, We're gonna have to do all mail and ballots to protect us from COVID.
And I remember Was Nancy Mace?
No, Nancy Pelosi was like, Did I say Nancy Mace?
It wasn't just me, it was all of us.
You're Nancy all the time.
My ear is a mess, so I've been here all the time.
tony ortiz
You're Nancy all the time.
libby emmons
My ear is a mess, so I've been here all the time.
All the time.
carter banks
You're Nancy all the time.
libby emmons
You're Nancy.
tate brown
You're Nancy.
Well, that was kind of like the Republicans shot themselves in the foot because for a while because they were like only vote in person and only vote on election day.
That's how we stick it to them.
tony ortiz
Oh, it's such a bad idea.
tate brown
Yeah, they would just like knock out one election.
The cost is like ten thousand dollars.
tony ortiz
The worst thing they push is that everyone should vote on election day.
Like you should vote early.
Yeah, absolutely.
sean fracek
I would challenge you on that date a little bit and say, how do you know?
How do you know that that was a bad strategy?
Because are you of the opinion that maybe the counts were maybe messed with?
Well, I mean, we had out of our control.
tate brown
Multiple underwhelming midterm results.
I mean, I guess you could attribute it to some nefarious.
tony ortiz
Also, the midterm results.
libby emmons
No, go ahead.
tony ortiz
Sorry, in Houston they had a problem in Texas where they ran out of ballots and some.
places shut down on voting day.
So you actually had a lot of Republicans that allegedly didn't get a chance to vote because they all stupidly waited until voting day.
If you have like, what, five weeks, five days of voting?
carter banks
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tony ortiz
Because there's plenty of time to vote early.
And I think even in Texas, a lot of offices will, businesses will give employees off to go vote.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tony ortiz
Like they'll give you extra time.
Like you don't have to just go on your lunch.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think some places it's even like a, it's like a holiday, right?
tony ortiz
For some places.
sean fracek
I kind of support Twitter polls.
I think that's, I think listen, I think that's just as good as the government.
No, that's just as good as the government.
The government is just as good as the government.
I'm not going to speak in this channel.
libby emmons
It should be on YouTube.
All Americans to have a Twitter account unless you federalize Twitter, and that's a crap idea.
sean fracek
Oh, Elon took everyone's ID so he knows who's American and who isn't, so we can actually take those.
libby emmons
But that's only the limited number of people who are on Twitter.
sean fracek
I'm just saying.
tate brown
If Twitter.
sean fracek
I trust Elon more than the government.
tate brown
If Twitter with its hundreds of millions of users.
If they left it to only Americans with their hundreds of millions of, you know, accounts on X, there would be like ten thousand Americans on there.
Let's be honest.
libby emmons
I don't trust the government.
sean fracek
That's what it means.
So like, it'll be like a five thousand yes.
carter banks
You get all the people that went to Blue Sky back on Twitter.
Oh, and have to get back on to vote?
tate brown
Yeah.
And if X had, I mean, the America Party would wash everyone out of the water.
I mean, you're joking?
sean fracek
It's a I think Mackey was ahead of his time..
I'm just saying.
libby emmons
Who Doug Mackey?
sean fracek
Yeah, I think he was ahead of his time.
libby emmons
Yeah, definitely.
sean fracek
Do you think there's going to be a text to vote soon?
tony ortiz
Is that what he's saying?
sean fracek
Oh, that was it.
libby emmons
I don't think there will be a text to vote.
sean fracek
I think it's going to be.
I think it's going to be like American Idol and every other reality show eventually.
libby emmons
I certainly hope the federal government doesn't become more of a reality show than it already is.
sean fracek
You literally have a reality show president.
Well, let's jump.
libby emmons
That's why I said more of.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I'm not as good as Tim as like breaking the vote.
sean fracek
Sorry, sorry, Chase.
libby emmons
I'd be louder.
sean fracek
Yeah, sir.
tate brown
Okay.
Okay.
The next story, we got a big story here.
This is out of Texas.
Burrow, Dustin Burrow, the speaker, he just sent a memo out to House Representants saying that quorum breaking members must pick up their pay in person.
via check, no direct deposit allowed.
Guys, this is hilarious.
libby emmons
That would bring me back to the state.
tony ortiz
Super funny.
Well, to cover that, it's only like 700 bucks a month.
libby emmons
Oh, yeah.
tony ortiz
And a lot of these reps are very independently well.
libby emmons
Where do they get their money?
tony ortiz
Right.
So, you know, well, you know, there are a lot of them are lawyers or real estate agents and things like that.
But I was talking to one of my favorite staffers and she was like, well, actually a lot of these Democrats are like broke as heck.
Actually.
So they're living, they're living off this like 700, 600 dollar stipend they get every month.
sean fracek
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Wow.
You actually, you may see some come back, but you also have a bigger problem where you have a lot of these lefty.
nonprofits that are actively funding these Democrats fleeing our state, which has been a huge issue.
The Beto O'Rourke's nonprofit, was it powered by the people, was actively soliciting Democrats to leave the state.
And they were like, we'll fund you.
We will give you money.
We'll pay for your hotel, your lodging, your travel.
And now Attorney General Ken Paxton is pursuing that and Governor Greg Abbott as a bribery issue, right?
Because that is an issue.
If you're paying people to break quorum, like you're bribing them to do something and it becomes a federal issue where it's happening across state.
state lines because they're fleeing to Illinois, New York and Oh my goodness.
unidentified
It is.
tony ortiz
And so like this is a genuine problem for Democrats.
And I don't think that they thought far enough ahead.
And the whole thing, they're going to pass this redistricting.
And I just don't think that Democrats really planned this out very well.
libby emmons
Do you think it's a good thing, this redistricting?
tony ortiz
Absolutely.
And you look at the current maps, they're already kind of goofy and they're complaining about these new maps and they're, of course, they're always going with the racist thing.
And the racist thing is so tried out.
Like, no one cares.
libby emmons
That's what Jasmine Crockett keeps going with.
tony ortiz
Yeah, of course.
And of course she is.
And then the bigger issue is that especially Hispanic men in Texas, the Browns, like they're supporting Republicans now.
Like the Democrats are losing this voting base.
of Hispanics.
And I don't think they know how to cope with that.
They're going to be left with just like the blacks and the white liberals as like Hispanics start to trend more to vote Republican.
And Democrats are just bored with, sorry, Hispanics are just bored with the rhetoric from Democrats and the weird stuff with the LGBTQ nonsense.
sean fracek
Yeah.
I mean, I agree with them docking their salary.
They shouldn't be paid if they're not doing their job.
I mean, it's a huge slap in the face to everyone that has to, you know, work a job every day.
And it's our money that they're stealing essentially.
So yeah, definitely not paying them, I think, makes sense.
But like you say, it's not a lot of money to them.
And they're getting more money hiding out in Illinois from the governor and all the whatever else wherever they're hanging in the hotels and five star stuff and the five star treatment.
So like, I don't think it does much, but it's, you know, it's something to get them back.
Arresting them, I don't like it either.
Because they want to get arrested.
You know, we were talking about that.
tony ortiz
They want to be a martyr.
sean fracek
They want that.
They're like, Oh my God, I've gone viral.
It's my five minutes of fame or whatever.
And it's like, no.
Like, so like, what is the solution?
libby emmons
Plus then you get more Gavin Newsom, you get more JB Pritzker, you get more Moraheley.
tony ortiz
The solution is removing them from their seat.
It's like, okay.
libby emmons
And then that would come out so legally.
sean fracek
I thought they needed a hundred in Texas.
tate brown
Well, that's we had this story from the Texas Tribune.
Paxton asks Illinois courts to enforce Texas arrest warrants against Democrats who left the state.
Obviously, this kind of seems like a little bit of a long shot to try to get Illinois to enforce this.
Maybe some kind of federal mechanism that could be used.
I don't know, but I don't know.
I think this could backfire to some degree on Republicans because there would be nothing greater than being prosecuted by Trump and being part of the resistance and that sort of thing.
sean fracek
It's something like, and they need a hundred to do business, right?
Because we had Briscoe on the show.
tony ortiz
Well, if you vacate a seat, I think it removes that quorum requirement.
sean fracek
Okay.
tony ortiz
So like, it's interesting.
Yes, exactly.
So I believe so.
I could be wrong.
sean fracek
I mean, Briscoe said we had Briscoe on, and he said you need a hundred 100 to do business.
tony ortiz
Yeah, you do.
But I believe the C gets bigger if they remove them from the C. And again, I could be wrong.
I believe it doesn't count towards the...
libby emmons
That's true.
sean fracek
And the house patriot check.
Patriot check.
unidentified
I love it.
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Yeah, so we'll see.
But to what you're saying, like you're right.
It's an absolute, amazing fundraising opportunity.
Like you went, if you're a Democrat, I went to jail for you.
sean fracek
Yeah, exactly.
tony ortiz
Right.
And like they'll be in jail for like what, a week at most?
unidentified
Like, maybe if even if that even happens, right?
tony ortiz
Like, absolutely.
So they want to be jailed.
libby emmons
And then they'll sue.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
And then they'll sue and they'll fundraise off that.
sean fracek
So what is the solution then, Libby?
libby emmons
What is the solution?
sean fracek
The rest isn't going to work.
and docking their pay is not going to work.
What do we do?
libby emmons
I think docking their pay might work.
I think that's going to I think that will probably get people back.
sean fracek
Really?
I think so.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I think also people have responsibilities at home.
They can't just stay away forever.
Yeah.
sean fracek
They're Democrats.
They don't have a family.
tony ortiz
I think it was Senator Mays Middleton in Texas and actually Briscoe Caine in the House that introduced bills that if you are unexcused, if you have, I think it was seven or ten consecutive unexcused absences that you automatically vacate your seat.
sean fracek
Can you imagine that?
How many is that again?
tony ortiz
I think it was like seven or ten.
sean fracek
Like most jobs, it's two or three.
tony ortiz
Right.
sean fracek
And you're out.
libby emmons
Yeah.
There's definitely been like over COVID and stuff, people refusing to come in.
There was a council, a city council person in Worcester, Massachusetts, who was like, I was discriminated against because I'm not binary.
I can't come to work anymore.
And somehow she still kept her position for a very long time.
sean fracek
I have nothing but disdain for government workers.
Like, we don't have to get into it on this show, maybe in the after show, but I got big problems.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
libby emmons
Well, the people who actually are government servants, I think that's important.
sean fracek
Servant?
I wouldn't use that word.
libby emmons
That's the post office.
sean fracek
I had to go to the post office recently.
Someone that does nothing, like, Well, the government is there to serve us and we have to remember that.
tate brown
If you want to be dehumanized, you go to the DMV.
sean fracek
Oh, my God.
Even they're like an example of a good government employee because at least they have to.
carter banks
During COVID, You could at least make an appointment and they were like really strict about being on time.
But yeah, other than that.
sean fracek
At least they're there in the office.
Most government employees aren't even in the office.
tony ortiz
I went to the post office recently and like nobody speaks English.
There's like one person at the desk.
There's like twenty people in line.
Everyone looks like they want to kill themselves.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tony ortiz
It's horrible.
sean fracek
It has to be racially diverse by the government standards and local government.
If you don't have a certain amount of percentage under the Democrats, you didn't get funding.
tony ortiz
Is that why it's like that in the post office?
libby emmons
No, they got rid of that.
Trump just got rid of it.
sean fracek
No, under the Democrats.
Yeah, now it's gone.
Thanks.
Bring back tests of meritocracy to pitch anything to any local government to get any kind of, you know, work with the them in any capacity.
It's like you had to be like 40% women, you know, 30% men.
unidentified
It depends.
libby emmons
It certainly depends on the locality.
It certainly depends on that.
And like if it's a contract or something.
sean fracek
Even in Democrat cities and regions, it's still that way.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
In Dallas, we had a thing where like you, you get access to earlier bids, like earlier, early access to bids for government projects.
If you are a minority based business.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tony ortiz
So I've met business owners that like I knew this business owner that his wife was black and obviously female.
And he he didn't know he worked for a tech he owned a tech company.
She knew nothing about technology, but he literally just put it in.
her name so that he could say it's the male women owned black business.
libby emmons
That's a huge thing.
Like in New York too, with contracts for any city work, you have to submit for like an architectural construction engineering project.
You have to meet all of these quotas.
And there's a lot of projects that are you can only submit for if you are a certified minority or women owned business.
tony ortiz
You know what I'm curious about though?
It's like Texas is now starting to trend.
I think Hispanics are the majority in Texas.
So like if you're a white, do you qualify now for minority benefits?
That would be awesome.
libby emmons
That would be fun.
They said Asians are not minorities for these purposes because the engineering construction, the engineering and architecture fields are already too full of Asians.
So if you're Asian, you're not a minority.
tony ortiz
Where the schools label Asians as white?
libby emmons
Yeah.
Wasn't Harvard doing that?
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, it's like if you live in Hawaii and it's like 15% white and then you're just being discriminated against, dude.
sean fracek
Anytime, whenever I meet someone that's from Harvard, I'll be like, So you hate Asians?
Like, you hate the Jews.
Oh, the Jews?
No, the Asians are like, wow.
tate brown
They like Yeah, they need to start messing up some of the math problems so they can, like, get back into the minority.
sean fracek
Exactly, exactly.
Like pretend like you're stupid.
Yeah, I don't know.
tate brown
I don't know what?
Yeah, I don't know.
So maybe it's two is five.
Yeah, exactly.
That's on the woke side.
That's on them.
That's you can't.
You learn this when you work in retail is you have to be just right above average, but not like good at your job.
You just have to be like right in that sweet spot.
sean fracek
Right.
tate brown
They're learning the hard way.
You can't go too hard in the paint right now.
sean fracek
Now we know what kind of employee Tate is.
tate brown
Well, yeah, that might have been a mask off moment.
But we got another story here from the post millennial DC police commander placed on leave over deliberately falsifying crime data.
As attention has turned to Washington DC and crime in the district in the wake of a former Doge employee being attacked, it has been revealed that a commander with the Metropolitan Police Department.
was placed on paid administrative leave in mid May after being accused of falsifying crime data.
libby emmons
Commander Michael Pullium Pullium Pullium I think it's Pullium but if you scroll down look at what the look at what the police union head said about this guy.
Wait, wait Libby wrote it so she No, I didn't Hannah wrote it there it is when our members respond to the scene of a felony offense where there is a victim no scroll back up where is that?
Where there is a victim reporting that a felony occurred inevitably there will be a lieutenant or a captain that will show up on that scene and direct those members to take a report for a lesser offense.
So instead of taking a report for a shooting or a stabbing or a car jacking, they will order that officer to take a report for a theft or an injured person to the hospital or a felony assault, which is not the same type of classification.
So what they're saying is when there's a crime, a captain will show up when the police are doing their job and be like, you know what, this wasn't a car jacking.
unidentified
This was just, uh, this was just pushing somebody down.
tony ortiz
So what's the motivation for that?
libby emmons
The motivation for that would be to have decrease in criminal staff.
sean fracek
And then you get more money.
libby emmons
Well, then it doesn't look like your city's that bad.
tony ortiz
Oh, so now like, oh, the Democrats are doing the job.
Like, the Democratic City is cooking the books.
libby emmons
Cooking the books to make it look like the cr crime isn't as bad.
And I was talking to, this is DC.
tony ortiz
Okay.
libby emmons
This is DC, and I was talking to post millennial staffers, Hannah Nightingale, who wrote this story, who used to live in DC, and she was telling me that she's seen crazy stuff at the navy yard with just like gangs of teenagers going around harassing people and doing all kinds of crazy stuff, which DC is, you know, DC is a mess anyway, and it has very poor leadership, and that's why Trump is trying to federalize it.
But I thought that was absolutely crazy that this is what officers would do, a captain, a lieutenant.
sean fracek
Well, I mean, we've all known dirty cops.
I mean, I don't know any cops.
Well, I know, I' grew up with that.
tate brown
This is like a different kind of dirty, because usually dirty copies go the other way.
They beat the crap out of you.
sean fracek
And then plant something on you.
This is like they're not.
libby emmons
And then they get paid off by the mob or something.
tate brown
This is like the lack of beating.
This is like not enough beating the crap out of you.
sean fracek
Yeah, when we were growing up in Chicago, they planted stuff on you.
He's like, right, you would take it.
tate brown
Now they're like, We could use a little planning actually in this situation.
tony ortiz
I'm curious, like, is he getting paid for doing this?
Because why would you put your job at risk?
What is he getting in return for being higher up, man?
Yeah, someone he's getting something in a crap.
unidentified
Oh, for sure.
libby emmons
It must be the culture of the Metro PD.
tony ortiz
They're not just doing it because like Democrats.
libby emmons
But it's like, it must be the culture of the Metro PD.
sean fracek
But it's like a school, if you're the teacherers in a school, right?
So the police officers or the teachers, you want, you know, you want it to look like the kids are doing good for the school.
So if they're all lying together, then it's like, Oh, we're just giving the test force.
libby emmons
Right.
Exactly.
sean fracek
It's like, So it's all it's the brotherhood working together, be like, Oh, this city's totally safe.
Tourism should, you know, like, I come to DC.
I come to DC.
libby emmons
And maybe you'll get better, maybe you'll get better raises if it turns out that you, the crime hasn't been that bad.
sean fracek
Exactly.
carter banks
And the mayor or your department can sell your houses for more because the area's not.
libby emmons
I mean, it's not a state, but yeah.
tate brown
Well, that's the property values go up.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tony ortiz
Right.
tate brown
Because I mean, that's been the proposal.
Obviously, this is older news now, but Trump going in and federalizing the district.
And Scott Greer was on last night and we were talking about it.
And he was like, well, it's not even if they want it, it's to help the DC residents.
And I'm like, I don't even really care about the DC residents.
I care about the ten thousand or so patriots that are working in the city.
They should be able to go to and fro from patriot institutions free of any trouble.
Like seeing big balls go down like that really hurt.
But yeah, we got a good point on this, on this article.
As of Thursday, DC police statistics said that violent crime is down twenty six percent from the same period in 2024 and all crime is down seven percent.
Again, as we say, that's cap.
That's absolutely cap.
sean fracek
Well, we were watching Fox Newox News before the show and they did a segment on races and violence, which is kind of wild to see on the Will Kane show, but it was like they're breaking down crimes by race over the last six years or whatever.
And it showed like in 2024, like black crime actually went down and white crime went up in, it was DC, right?
The stats that they were showing.
So it was kind of, it was interesting.
So like, I don't know if that ties in to what we're talking about here, but I thought, because I saw that graphic, I was like, oh, it's interesting.
So like, it was like, white crime was low, low, low, low, low, and then 2024 it jumped and then black crime was high, high, high, high, and then 2024 it dropped.
tony ortiz
Do you think that's accurate?
sean fracek
I don't know.
Like, we're looking at this story right here.
tony ortiz
That would imply that the police are falsifying racial crime data.
libby emmons
Well, I think that's possible too.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Well, they're falsifying all of that.
libby emmons
What we see is 50% of DC car jacking arrests were of minors who are as young as twelve years old.
That's in Milwaukee 56% of car jackings.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Well, that's in Milwaukee too.
So like in Milwaukee, they actually started this thing with the, I don't know if you guys have heard of the Kia cars.
Yeah, the Kia boys.
You've heard of the Kia boys.
So for those in the audience that don't know, it's a bunch of teenagers that figured out how to jailbreak Kias by literally just removing the steering column and putting in a USB cord and turning it like a key.
But they figured this out in Milwaukee, and now it's traveled to different cities to the point where you can't get a Kia car insured in Milwaukee.
It was that bad.
libby emmons
You can't get it insured.
sean fracek
At all.
tony ortiz
It wasn't just Kia.
It was Hyundai.
sean fracek
It was Kia and Hyundai.
tony ortiz
It was all the Korean manufacturers.
I think they faced a big lawsuit because of that.
sean fracek
And one of the guys, I'm forgetting the guy's name is Mike.
I forget what the YouTuber's name was, but he went out and did, he interviewed the Kia boys, and they were all 17 and under.
And they said, the reason we do it is because it's fun or whatever, and they're crazy.
And also, they only get a misdemeanor.
tony ortiz
Yeah, and I think if they're underage, they get sealed.
Like, nobody, if they're looking for a job, you can't see it because they're younger.
sean fracek
So as long as they're seventeen and under.
So like, you know, Tim talks about this too.
It's come up in the show a lot, but adults will train kids to do these crimes for them, uh, in order to, you know, like, just like Oliver, just like Fagan.
Yeah, that's why you have to go after the parents with these people.
So, like, these kids, these criminal kids, like, oh yeah, harsher punishment is great.
We need to go after the parents, the parents should be in jail.
libby emmons
Do you think the parents should be, um, prosecuted for their children's crimes?
Yes.
We saw that with Ethan Crumbly's parents in Michigan, the school shooter.
Both his parents went to jail for that.
He had to die.
sean fracek
100% parents in jail.
Unless the parents have, like, taken the act of, like, what is it called when you separate the kid?
What is that called?
libby emmons
Emancipation.
sean fracek
Emancipation.
If they're emancipated, fine.
If the kid's like a devil child, Damien or whatever, fine.
But like otherwise, parents jail, like, immediately.
Like, get out of jail.
libby emmons
What if you can't find any link between what if it was like parents?
It doesn't matter.
And they've been doing a good job.
sean fracek
It doesn't matter, shared responsibility.
It's just like in the school, it's like you hear this with the police, you hear it in schools.
Oh, these kids are bad.
Why are they bad?
It's the parents.
It's not society.
libby emmons
I think there are also, I think there are also people who like do bad things.
sean fracek
Of course.
libby emmons
And like, no matter how good the parents are, it doesn't matter.
Once they're under 18, they'll kill their parents.
sean fracek
Like, then there's a place you can put your kids if they're killing people, you know what I mean?
carter banks
Like it's up to you to take like if they're if they're also in jail though because after they would have already done it so that's what I'm saying.
sean fracek
Yeah, like you can put them in military how do you solve that?
You can put them in military school, you can put them in ROTC, you can like there's there's things you can do.
tony ortiz
They should remove the government benefits.
I think he has a weird feeling of parenting.
whose kids are like committing these crimes if they're exceptionally violent.
Like you don't qualify for Snap anymore or you get a deduction in that.
sean fracek
Something like that.
I love it.
Punish.
tony ortiz
If you're not going to put them in jail, you just hide their, their, their, their pocketbook.
sean fracek
Yes.
Punish them.
Take even more of the Kool-Aid or whatever the hell they're buying away from the EBT card or whatever.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, I mean, that's what Will Kane was suggesting earlierlier when we were watching Fox, because it's like the thing that you can't dance around and everyone wants to dance around is there is, unfortunately, there's a racial element to this.
I mean, that's what you see over and over.
sean fracek
I'm not even talking about the race.
I'm just talking about poor kids.
tate brown
You said Kool Aid.
sean fracek
Well, okay, wait, you're going to say only wait, only one race drinks Kool Aid.
I love Kool Aid.
tate brown
I love Kool Aid too.
libby emmons
Jim Jones was a white guy and he poisoned his whole, uh, with Kool Aid.
tate brown
But it's bizarre, like me and Alad, we were in DC like two weeks ago and we were walking around and there was like a group of like thirty, thirty five black teens just wandering around the city and there would be like four or five cops just trailing them all the time.
And like if there was a group of like thirty to thirty five white kids running around DC like knocking things over and beating cars, it would be like Jan Snow.
Start camps up.
Yeah.
Like it's insane.
And I mean, it's unfortunate, but yeah, there absolutely is like a cultural element to these stories as well.
These beatings that they seem to be only tolerated in certain groups.
sean fracek
I think a lot of it is just like the woke.
The woke always try to put it on racial lines, racial lines, racial lines, but I don't think it's I think part of it's racial lines, but I think the bigger part of it is economic lines.
tate brown
I think that's a very, very liberal argument.
sean fracek
I I'm a nineties democrat.
tate brown
Well, if you look at the statistics, the up, the highest tax bracket of black Americans is a higher crime rate than the lowest tax bracket of white.
sean fracek
Fair.
Like children that are in really I was like they also they've only jailed you were homeless?
I was homeless twice when I was a kid.
Like we really grew up on the tough side of Chicago, you know, like.
tony ortiz
Where you from Chicago?
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tony ortiz
The same.
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I was on the south side and then eventually on the north side, which was nice.
But yeah, I mean, it's tough.
Like when you don't have any options, you don't have any opportunities.
Like you really like, like everyone always works, you know, it's like, oh, abortions, abortions, abortions.
But it's like when these kids are in these, like, horrible situations, like they really don't have options.
And then they turn to, like, selling drugs and, like, stealing clothes.
libby emmons
Well, it's interesting because the only parents that have been prosecuted for their children's crimes have been white parents.
Yeah.
sean fracek
We do it in some high schools where it's like if your kids truant you go to jail.
libby emmons
Right.
I've seen that before.
That's like, what is that?
Like the restorative justice.
sean fracek
It works.
libby emmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
It works.
libby emmons
If they're almost got it.
serge du preez
It was to make money from, you know, going after the parents and getting and getting fees and getting funds.
That's what they do.
I've seen it like countless times in LA where they won't go and arrest somebody that's clearly doing something illegal because they know that this guy can't pay for anything.
They're not able to provide any fees.
And then they just, like, why would they even waste their time?
They don't, they look at it as like, oh, this is paperwork that's going to go nowhere.
It's going to be chasing, chasing tail for no reason.
sean fracek
So I knew a lot of people, especially in Chicago, their winter plan was literally committing a crime.
Yeah.
Because they got to go to ja to jail and get three, three, what do they call it?
Like three hot and a cot.
Three hot and a cot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tate brown
Well, I mean, that's because there's been just this massive warping of what the purpose of prison is because I think most people, right and left, view prison as a form of rehabilitation or perhaps even a form of like removing them from the situation.
But the point of prison is incapacitation.
Like you're trying to incapacitate a criminal from committing a crime because unfortunately criminal behavior is very easy to predict and like the reoffense rate is very high.
The actual ability for prisons to rehabilitate is very minimal, as I said, because criminal behaviors, criminals do repeat criminal behaviors.
There's a certain disposition of someone that's a criminal.
So trying to seek rehabilitation is is kind of pointless.
Yeah, like I said, the view is to incapacitate the criminal before they harm more people.
carter banks
Remove from what, public society or polite society, almost.
tate brown
Right, and it's like I said earlier, it's like they have this bizarre thing that happens in court where they plead for insanity and that like reduces their sentence.
And it's like, if you're insane, that's the best reason to go to jail.
It's like, I'm so insane that I can't possibly function in society.
It's like, that's actually the best reason to remove someone.
But instead, because we have this false view of prison that it's like a form of rehabilitation, we're just going to keep doing this dance around and around again where we can't actually clean our cities up.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
We've also gone way too far to the rehabilitation side and we have dispensed.
in a lot of cases with punishing criminals because we just look at how do we help the criminals instead of how do we prevent more victims of these criminals.
And a lot of the people who go to prison, like, they've been doing this stuff for a long time.
There are multiple crimes, multiple, multiple victims, and it doesn't make any sense to continue to try and, like, you know, remember the three strikes and you're out thing?
Wasn't that a Bill Clinton thing?
It was like, if you get three convictions, then you're just in jail.
There's no more hope for you.
And I think that at a certain point, there probably isn't a lot of hope for you.
If you're not going to turn it around, no one can turn it around for you.
sean fracek
I'll make, you know, I'll defend people that get caught in the system.
Like they're listening, it's everyone's choices and they make decisions.
But sometimes when you do get caught in the system, it's hard to get out because the expectations and the things they put these people through is really hard.
libby emmons
Like they're sure, but you don't need to keep violently asking.
sean fracek
I understand.
I'm not I'm just saying it's hard to get out of the system sometimes when you're in it.
I've seen it.
tate brown
But it's not hard not to kill people though.
sean fracek
No, of course not.
But my, I guess my point is it's more it goes back to like people bring up, oh, let's bring back the insane asylums.
I don't like that either because it's our tax money going.
tony ortiz
Yeah, but like, nowadays it's easier.
not to fall into that.
Like there's so many leftist nonprofits and organizations that are willing to reward people who do bad things.
And, and, and we reported on a story recently.
There's this woman who is a DACA recipient and she's been charged with all sorts of drug offenses and all that.
And she raised $60,000.
No, she was going to get deported.
She raised $60,000.
serge du preez
Oh, that's great.
tony ortiz
Like there's, there's plenty of organizations that reward bad behavior.
So I think, to your point, maybe back in the day, it was harder to get out of the system.
But now, like, you commit a crime.
There's so many opportunities.
sean fracek
That's fair.
tony ortiz
For you to succeed or to change your life around.
sean fracek
Yeah, that's fair.
It has definitely improved since, you know, the 90s, absolutely.
tate brown
The insane people we have now are so much different than 90s too.
Like the 90s, it's like you're going down the street and like there's a bomb, you could flip him a nickel, he'd do like a little dance for you, maybe clean your window.
You go by now and there's a 50% chance he's going to stab you.
libby emmons
But also that's because in the 90s the people who were going to stab you were in mental hospitals.
tate brown
They're in mental hospitals and it's like, so this complete like breakdown where we feel so guilty about like, you know, incapacitating people, it's like, well, okay, it's either that or your cities look like they do now.
There's no middle.
You're not just going to give a homeless person keys to an apartment and they're just going to figure it out.
sean fracek
What about this?
I have an idea for the homeless people.
Are you ready?
This might be a little spicy.
The spicy take, are you ready?
When we get rid of the illegals, right?
We're going to need people working on the farms.
Put the homeless people on the farms.
And here's the kicker.
Don't pay them.
carter banks
Well, it wouldn't do it.
libby emmons
This is a spicy take.
sean fracek
Oh, no, no.
You give them food.
You give them shelter.
You give them a purpose.
tony ortiz
Slavery.
sean fracek
Slave class.
They're on the streets.
unidentified
That doesn't mean you insult them.
sean fracek
No, no, no.
When you go and do a job that you're proud of, you're not being a slave.
You pay them.
Sure.
That part's a joke.
But that part's the joke.
tony ortiz
obviously like they need jobs get them on the why are they not on the farm They don't want the jobs.
Like you meet a homeless person and you offer them like food, like a lot, they just want cash.
serge du preez
You do because they want to throw down the food that I've given them.
Yeah.
I've given them food, like a whole meal, and people will just take it and throw it on the ground.
tony ortiz
And all these people don't want to be saved.
tate brown
If you talk to a lot of people that like operate or work in homeless shelters, they'll say, There's actually reserve beds, but you have to get clean to sleep in this bed.
And these guys, you can actually talk to a lot of them, they're still pretty lucid and they're like, I'm not ready to get clean yet.
tony ortiz
Yeah, they don't want to work.
Like I see so many homeless in Dallas that they're like asking for money, but you drive across businesses, they're all hiring.
They're looking for people to work, like desperate for staff.
And you'll see like grown-ups that are on the corner asking for money.
carter banks
And it's like, I was just going to say, but one time I gave some guy like ten bucks and he asked for more and I g gave them five more.
He's like, Can I have twenty dollars?
I'm like, Can you give me that ten back?
tony ortiz
Yeah.
I was in Dallas.
I gave a homeless lady some cash and then she's like, Well, you got a twenty in there.
Give me that two.
And I'm like, What the hell?
tate brown
I gave her some cash and she pulled a square reader out and asked me if they wanted to have the FPS.
sean fracek
I was like, What?
I will say there are some Christian organizations out there that do a good job with this.
They work with like ex-Falans and people that are homeless down on their luck.
They do give them jobs.
And a lot of their success stories, it's like once they got that job and that purpose back, like it really motivated them.
So it's like, I don't think all homeless people are like completely gone.
Like, I do think some of them can.
tate brown
The average homeless person is on the street for like a day or two.
It's the people you're seeing that are on the street consistently.
That means that there's one of two options.
libby emmons
The whole skid row situation.
tate brown
Yeah, they're good at hiding.
They're either good at hiding or there's a reason why there's only a few of them on the street at the same time.
That means you've got a particular disposition to do.
serge du preez
So it's like, they want to live there.
They love skid.
It's LA.
I literally worked there for like years.
Like, they love it.
It's the weather's beautiful.
They get everything they want.
Like, you're mentioning too.
Like, I want them to, like, you know, take on the mantle of responsibility, but they're not going to.
sean fracek
Like, but there are some success stories.
There are.
Yeah, yeah.
serge du preez
Those Christian organizations you talked about, but there's so many.
And not just Tony mentioned.
There's so many of these organizations that the chances of, like, you someone.
being down their luck for like longer than like two weeks is like extremely, extremely slim.
And then most of the time, it's just because they want to go get fent for like a quarter on the top.
sean fracek
Oh, sure.
You know, the addicts and stuff, but even that you can overcome.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
sean fracek
Put them on the farm.
serge du preez
True.
tate brown
I mean, the equalize situation is already so bad.
Do we really want a bunch of junkies to make it?
sean fracek
Oh, and you're gonna clean them up, man.
They're gonna be in this.
tate brown
Let it just get really good.
sean fracek
It's gonna be fun.
Yeah, exactly.
That cabbage.
They get the vitamin D. It starts oozing out of them.
Yeah, it's like it's something's oozing out of them.
tate brown
Okay.
Well, on that note, I think we should go to this next story here from the Daily Mail.
Steve Bannon is secretly plotting a sensational run for president.
He's going to be a transnational run for president in 2028 and he's already knifing his likely rival.
Cit, I created him.
The campaign would divide the Make America Great Again movement Bannon helped build by setting up a Herculean battle with JD Vance, who is all but certain to launch his own 2028 candidacy, potentially with Donald Trump's blessing.
Now, my opinion on this, is Bannon likely to run?
I don't know.
This is the first I've heard of it.
I will say, I don't think Trump is going to directly endorse a candidate because I do think Trump likes the idea of a few guys going in and fighting it out by saying, I'm the most pro-Trump.
I'm the most like Trump.
I think that's actually the likely outcome.
tony ortiz
I'm a hard no on Steve.
Look at me, look at the physiognomy.
It's horrible, man man.
Like, I don't, I don't know.
I just, I don't like him.
What did he call Trump call him?
Sloppy Steve Bannon.
I'm sure he's a great guy, all that, whatever.
But the physiognomy is bad for me.
And doesn't he have some, like, weird Chinese connections?
I don't know.
I don't follow national stuff too much, too much.
But yeah, I don't.
I'm not a fan.
libby emmons
I'll take the.
I don't think Steve Bannon can win over the entire American populous enough to win the nomination or the presidency.
I like Steve Bannon a lot.
But I don't think that he can do that.
And I'm not sure, you know, why he's doing this.
I don't think he has any real intention of running.
I don't think he has financial support to run, I think it must be some kind of threat.
Get your stuff together or I'm going to run for president.
carter banks
Maybe he'll launch a clothing brand where it's like three collared shirts and he sells it because he's the only person I've seen do that.
It's like he's reinventing.
tony ortiz
Triple collared shirt?
carter banks
Yeah, he's like reinventing like Wasn't that like a high school garb with a double ruff, almost?
libby emmons
He always wore the three collared.
sean fracek
The homeless look.
It's like the hell of a hell.
tony ortiz
Is there a photo of Steve Bannon in his suit?
tate brown
No, the campaign.
tony ortiz
That probably doesn't exist.
sean fracek
I do like Bannon.
I'm with you, Libby.
I do like him.
Do I support him running for president?
No, like again, his age, I think that would be a problem.
Also, like he's really really good in the advisor role.
So, like, if JD Vance does run, let's say it's Vance or Tulsi or whoever it is, right?
He is really good in like the advisor role.
He's been there, he's done that.
He's a good strategist.
tate brown
Yeah, I think guys like Steve Bannon are optimal, um, or they're optimal like bureaucrats.
Like you do need a good fleet of bureaucrats.
I don't think he's really a bureaucrat or like a backroom backstabber.
libby emmons
I think he's, I think he's definitely a terrific advisor.
He's absolutely brilliant.
I mean, he's really smart.
He knows everything.
sean fracek
Yeah.
He's got a good face for radio.
tony ortiz
He's good in a suit.
Look at that.
sean fracek
He's a super good looking dude.
Not everyone needs to be out front and center.
tate brown
I mean, it has to be said that it's really hard to believe or make the case that MAGA would exist as it exists now without Steve Bannon.
libby emmons
Oh, it absolutely wouldn't have existed.
tate brown
He was one hundred percent agreement.
sean fracek
So like whoever it is, if it's Vance or whoever, like I really think he'd be great in that advisor role, you know?
But not everyone needs to be out in front and center.
tate brown
Well, it's, I mean, it's kind of tough.
It's hard to tell right now if Bannon is in that inner Trump circle.
I mean, some things would suggest that, but a lot of times it seems like he's completely shot out.
sean fracek
I think that changes like regularly too.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Like Trump kind of reminds me a little bit of like the popular kid in high school.
It's like, yeah, you'll be friends with him a couple days and then next week you'll talk to him and then you hear from him again.
You know what I mean?
Like it's hard to stay in like the Trump zone, you know?
Because he's got so much stuff going on.
tate brown
But it is interesting that Trump, like they asked him the other day, do you view JD Vance as your successor?
And he's like, Could be, could be awesome.
libby emmons
So it's like, Well, but he also mentioned Rubio, and I think that's smart too.
sean fracek
Tulsi, I still like.
libby emmons
Yeah, I know you love Tulsi.
I think she's terrific.
I think JD Vance probably gets the nod to run.
I think he has a lot of support in the background from the MAGA faithful.
I think he really has that.
The one area that I think is a little weak for him is his very pro tech stance, which I think nerves a lot of people.
Like when he was talking, we were just talking about farm workers.
When he was talking about how to solve the farm worker crisis, he's saying, let's get in automation.
You know, let's do.
I don't know if I like it or not.
I don't know if I like it or not, but I think that his answers are in many cases going to be to have a technical solution like robots.
sean fracek
I don't need it.
libby emmons
But I don't know.
carter banks
It's your homeless solving problem though.
sean fracek
Put the okay, so like in the self driving cars.
libby emmons
They repair the machines.
sean fracek
There are self driving semi trucks on the road right now, but the funny thing is they need a human in front of the wheel still, like with their hands like this ready to grab.
libby emmons
Oh, thank God they have a human in front of them.
sean fracek
A homeless person.
There you go.
You put that guy on the mower while it's driving around doing all the agriculture.
tate brown
You put the Phenotron 3000 here on the streets.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Yeah, I'm telling you, they get in the sun, man.
libby emmons
I think they're just saying a lot of stuff to be proud of.
tate brown
No, but I do think, I actually as someone that is like a pretty big tech accelerationist, I like Vance a lot.
I like that aspect of him, but that is very unpalatable to the populist MAGA base.
libby emmons
Right.
tate brown
And he's going to have to form a slightly different coalition in 2028 if he wants to win the nomination.
I think.
sean fracek
I love Vance.
I do, you know, the technology question that's a really interesting one, Libby.
I do support it because I do know the population's getting smaller and smaller and we still need a lot of food.
So I'm not averse to the machines doing mindless jobs like that, especially if it's going to get a a bunch of people who don't belong here out.
You know what I mean?
libby emmons
Sure, yeah, no, I mean, and it depends on what the tools are.
My point is that that's just one instance where Vance is going to lean into tech to do the jobs.
And I think that he probably, given his background, I mean, that's where he made his money, right?
For the most part is in tech.
sean fracek
Or in that book.
libby emmons
Yeah, the book.
tate brown
But I mean, he was, you know, a teal acolyte.
libby emmons
He was a teal guy.
And so I do think that, while I think JD Vance's heart is probably in the good place, in the right place, I do think he has some leanings toward a little bit of a slightly transhumanist agenda that he might want to read.
tony ortiz
You're seeing the robots already kind of take some jobs like in the restaurants.
I don't know if you guys have seen them, especially the Asian restaurants, the robot that brings by like the water or whatever.
libby emmons
Yeah, I've seen that.
tony ortiz
You see that.
But I was cracking up and I was talking to someone on the way here and I was like, man, I've lived long enough to have to find out what the derogatory term is for a robot.
Why anchor?
sean fracek
Why anchor?
tony ortiz
Anchor.
sean fracek
It's hard to market.
tate brown
You got wireback, you got sparkle, oh my god.
Grease cricket.
Clink.
I'm saying with an L that has an L. Clink.
There's a lot of great ones.
There's a lot of good ones out there.
I think we only have that.
sean fracek
I think we have two options.
libby emmons
I like clank, but I like it with a Boston accent.
It's a client accent.
It's a client accent.
sean fracek
We have two options.
Either the machines do the mindless work or we start paying people more, Americans more, which I'm fine with either.
Like, I'm fine with paying them more, but the problem is, and we all know how businesses work.
If you're paying your, you know, your floor level staff like 40, 50 bucks an hour, like we see at the fast food places in California, it's really hard to make money or you have to raise the prices for the consumer.
So either we're okay spending a ton more or we have the robots.
I think those are the two options.
Maybe homelessness.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, like the thing with.
libby emmons
Pin can would be good too.
tate brown
Yeah.
The thing with Vance, um, if you really are hard on immigration, like if you really do want net zero immigration, you need to deport., maybe even denaturalize a lot of people, is you're going to have to embrace technology because the reality is the share of the Native American population is shrinking as a whole.
There's nothing you can really do about that because everyone's chucking money at it.
It's not really making a dent.
You look at Hungary, you look at South Korea, you look at those countries are all paying people to have children and it's not working.
It's not even making a dent.
Yeah.
So it's like if you're looking at the States and you're looking at like when I say Native Americans, not like American Indians, but like, you know, people that are from America, that share, that population is declining as a whole.
The only way you're going to keep the economy propped up with a declining population, you're going to have to find technology, something.
sean fracek
Sekundarly, something.
tate brown
So I think that's why the Vance guys, I think they think we just see the writing on the wall.
serge du preez
Yeah, I'd much rather lean towards tech and towards, like, for instance, within farming, a lot of people they say, oh, well, you can't pick certain berries without having an actual person go and pick them.
It's like, well, we haven't invented a machine to do that yet, right?
Like, we before they were like, oh, we got it.
It was really laborious to pick nuts from trees.
And then someone was like, well, why don't I just take my tractor and turn it around and put a big old thing on and shake it and vibrate it and all the nuts will fall down.
And like, that revolutionized that industry and got rid of a lot of people's jobs.
But it's not, it's also not adding hundreds of thousands of people to your country every year, every other month.
Like, it's an insane idea to say that we need to do that as opposed to like advancing technology and advancing the things we already are doing.
And it's like, you know, I'm not really a fan of the bots.
I don't like the bots either.
But like, if they can do the job better and like more reliably than, like, I know the home, they want the homeless there too.
That'd be fine.
sean fracek
It's a good idea.
I'm telling you, it's going to grow.
tate brown
Yeah, the calculus is you bring in technology, you just let it, you cut it all loose.
You have a ten percent chance of like a cyberpunk future.
That's a possibility.
Or the current course of action, which is flood the country with people from the third world, you're going to get Brazil.
So that's like, I guess.
I'll take the slight chance of Blade Runner over South East.
tony ortiz
If the choice is between a clanker or an illegal, I'll take the clanker.
sean fracek
Taking the clanker.
Or the third.
tate brown
The most clanker ever.
sean fracek
asked me for money, I'll say the third option is still on the table, pay Americans more.
And that actually came up in one of the culture war events.
tate brown
That will happen.
Yeah, if the population declines, there's going to be labor will have an advantage.
sean fracek
Not necessarily because corporations are, they don't care about people.
They don't care about you.
They don't care about their employees.
They care about their bottom line.
tate brown
But if labor has an advantage in the negotiating table, then labor will be Well, now you sound like a socialist.
Well, we want to have economics.
That's what happens.
serge du preez
They play the game and they play with the rules they're actually supposed to play by.
Like you can't hire illegal immigrants.
That's a huge rule that gets completely fun and completely ignored.
And I think we should be arresting these people.
By the way, Donald, if you're watching., please arrest the people who hire illegal immigrants.
They're costing like half of the.
libby emmons
They're working on that.
They're doing it.
serge du preez
Yeah, they are.
You know, they are.
And H one B. That's the big issue.
Like, and it's going to take time for them to tool it.
sean fracek
H one B is too.
I'm serious.
libby emmons
They're working on that.
sean fracek
Like, listen, H one B is corporate slavery.
libby emmons
The workplace enforcement includes arresting the business owners for hiring illegal immigrants.
Yeah.
But do you guys think that we should have homeless people picking our crops or these Franken?
sean fracek
Oh, they're going to sit behind the machines while the machines do the work.
libby emmons
You interrupt.
sean fracek
See?
This is a I'm telling you, listen, there's already self-driving trucks on the road now, but they need someone there.
So if something happens, to grab the wheel.
unidentified
So just like one homeless person per Franken toaster.
sean fracek
I'm telling you, they get when they get a purpose and they're like, oh my God, I'm doing something with my life, they're going to be like, ah, I see the I see the I don't know, man.
serge du preez
I'm sure you know a DNX scene.
carter banks
When we got in that Weibo car and like somehow we put you in the wrong seat and it stopped and it was like someone phoned in to me and was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know what you're doing, but I'm going to kick you out of the car.
You can't do that.
You can't touch the steering wheel.
Yeah, we tried to have you sit in the front.
tony ortiz
Oh, the Waymo.
carter banks
It's so bad.
serge du preez
Waymo.
tony ortiz
Yeah, we were in the paper.
We were in Arizona.
sean fracek
It's in the driver's seat car.
tony ortiz
Yeah, we were in Arizona.
We called a Waymo and my buddy Tryman got in the driver'ss seat and the car just started freaking out.
Yeah, but it's some kind of.
And then some Indian, some Indian guy hopped up on the line in the car and is like, You can't do that.
I got an email that they were going to ban me.
sean fracek
Was he Indian or American?
tony ortiz
The call center guy?
Yeah.
sean fracek
Oh, he was Indian.
tate brown
I got in the back of a Waymo.
sean fracek
It's another thing.
carter banks
Imagine homeless.
sean fracek
You have to pay Americans more to do call centers.
tony ortiz
I have a homeless guy call me to yell at me about the Waymo.
tate brown
I got in the back of a Waymo.
unidentified
Maybe.
tate brown
I got in the back of a Waymo and he started telling me how his day was going and started running.
And then he started crying.
Apparently his wife was leaving him.
sean fracek
It could be levels, like as they do better, they get better jobs.
libby emmons
Did you see the Waymo that crashed?
tony ortiz
No.
libby emmons
They crashed.
It was in Phoenix and they crashed into each other.
tate brown
They got female Waymo's now?
libby emmons
Oh my goodness gracious.
They crashed into each other and they just sat there.
blocking traffic.
tony ortiz
Oh, I think I did see that.
libby emmons
And they didn't know enough to go to the side of the road and exchange information.
sean fracek
Tim brings this up all the time.
You can, like, in traffic, you can trap a Waymo or Tesla or anything that's auto driving by just cutting them off.
tony ortiz
We're putting people were in the traffic.
carter banks
They were putting caps on the control of Waymo's pop up and talk to each other and like, yo, what happened there?
tony ortiz
You know what, though?
I prefer the Waymo's over Uber.
I'll say it.
Like, I don't have to worry about the car.
sean fracek
I agree.
And you know what?
tony ortiz
You don't have to.
I don't have to talk to them if I don't want to.
I don't have to.
carter banks
I don't like talking to Uber drivers.
sean fracek
Ugh.
libby emmons
I just miss caps.
tate brown
I love it.
Yeah.
sean fracek
There's a.
libby emmons
I don't like taxis.
sean fracek
It's like, I don't like talking.
carter banks
You don't want any weird connections?
tate brown
It's like, do you want to listenisten to like a political consultant or do you want to listen to like an Albanian taxi driver?
I'll take the Albanian taxi driver.
He's more Persian or just any accent that's a little off, that's like they're gonna lay the situation out flat for us.
unidentified
Okay.
tate brown
The whole thing, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
tate brown
It can take time.
sean fracek
I'm somewhere in a Uber, I don't remember that.
Yeah.
Like Taylor wants to hear a life story.
tate brown
Yeah, I do.
sean fracek
You want to hear everything about your kids, show them how to live.
tate brown
I love her.
It's my job to get along with people.
I get along.
It's a direct quote from Trump.
Anyway, we got this next story.
Disney, sorry, breaking from post millennial.
Disney, Lucasfilm settle Gina Karano lawsuit, signal desire to work with the actress again.
tony ortiz
She won.
tate brown
She won.
libby emmons
This is the end of wokeness, you guys., Gina Corona won.
She's back.
She now can get jobs.
She can be unblacklisted from Hollywood.
Lucasfilm and Disney have both said that they would like to work for her, work with her again.
She's a terrific actress.
She deserves all the greatest opportunities in the world, and I couldn't be more excited for her to, you know, get a little piece of her career back.
And I hope that she got a whole bunch of money from Lucasfilms and Disney too, because it's not right when someone takes away for your career just because you posted a meme during COVID.
And the other thing too about her post, she posted a meme saying basically that the Nazis were able to control people because they got their neighbors to snitch on everyone, to snitch on each other, and that's a big deal.
But Pedro Pascal got, did not get fired when in 2018 he compared the border situation in the US to the Holocaust and threw that at Trump.
He didn't get fired for that.
And you had Disney and Lucasfilm coming out saying, Oh, this is absolutely abhorrent, which he said, it's unbelievable.
We can't have someone like this working for us.
And they literally kept Pedro Pascal on.
So there was a guy that Welcome back, Gina Crano.
I hope you get the best of everything.
tate brown
Interesting.
sean fracek
There was a guy that was literally masturbating after he got off that call with the media.
What channel was that?
MSNBC.
libby emmons
We don't even talk to you about it.
carter banks
I'm trying to talk about Jeff.
sean fracek
And he didn't get fired.
tate brown
You're talking about Jeff too.
unidentified
Heck yeah.
sean fracek
And he didn't get fired.
libby emmons
So you still have a job?
sean fracek
Oh yeah.
He still has a job.
He was gone.
tony ortiz
I think he was gone for like, what, two weeks?
sean fracek
Yeah, it was like two weeks.
He just apologized, whatever.
I mean, it's horrifying.
But what I will say is, we are in the age of unapologetics, right?
tony ortiz
Well, yeah.
We have it back.
We have hot blonde women advertising jobs right now.
libby emmons
American Eagle didn't apologize.
sean fracek
They were like, hey, Joe Biden, by the g.
So bad at his job that he completely changed the entire political landscape of the country to go back like twenty years, which is crazy.
Like he was that bad.
Joe Biden.
Thank you, Joe Biden.
tate brown
It's almost the country as a whole is going back to its ex.
sean fracek
Joe Biden the Patriot.
libby emmons
Going back to their ex.
tate brown
The United States as a whole are going back to our ex.
sean fracek
We're going back to our ex.
tate brown
There was also a one-eyed woman.
libby emmons
There was a study that came out also.
Do you remember under, before COVID and then during BLM and all that, you had the New York Times and all these other outlets talking so much about race that people's fear of racism and belief that racism was a huge problem in the country skyrocketed.
And a new study came out and that number is back down to sort of normal.
sean fracek
Yeah.
libby emmons
You know?
sean fracek
People crave authenticity.
They crave people that are unapologologetic.
They want people that are outspoken.
They're done with it.
They want comedy back.
You know, I haven't seen Naked Gun yet, but that was a spicy movie.
They came back.
I mean, you remember from our childhood.
I'm hoping they did a good job with it.
But I'm just saying they're trying.
It's coming back.
tony ortiz
Do you think the Democratic Party as a whole adjusts their messaging because this isn't working anymore?
Like, you know, they're doing podcasts.
libby emmons
I don't think they are at all.
In fact, they're doing the opposite, and this is a huge problem for the Democratic Party, right?
They could go in two directions right now.
They have two options.
One, go a little more establishment, veer center, capture that part of their base and that part of their voters, or they could veer far left and go the Zoram Mandani, Omar Fattah, like all of these guys in this direction.
And that's what they're choosing to do.
You had Elizabeth Warren the other day saying that Zoran Momdani's message is the message for the future of the Democratic Party.
She was very clear on that.
AOC is endorsing.
You have Bernie Sanders on that side.
And the people in the Democratic Party who are not endorsing Momdani, you have Chuck Schumer, you have Hakim Jeffries, they're not endorsing.
Corey Booker, not endorsing.
But they're being super quiet about it.
They don't really want you to notice that they have not endorsed the socialist candidate for mayor for New York City.
So they're hedging.
You know, skirting those questions.
You had Kamala Harris recently come out, what was it last week on Stephen Colbert?
And when she was asked who the leader of the Democratic Party was, she did not say herself and she did not name anyone.
Instead, what she said was that she's like she'd like to take her book and tour around the country, not asking for people's votes.
She's trying to come out as an outsider to the political party that she should be the head of right now, but she can't say that she's the head of it.
Nobody is the head of the Democratic Party right now.
And so what you have is the far left taking control, they're taking charge of this party, they're veering it further toward literal crazy.
Maybe, you know, everyone's going to starve communism.
That's what they're advocating for.
And so is the Democratic Party going to, you know, change up their message because they're losing?
No, they're doubling down on the lunacy.
They're doubling down on the socialism, the free buses, all of the rest.
sean fracek
I disagree.
I do think you're right.
libby emmons
But look at what's, look at the landscape.
sean fracek
No, I do think you're right.
I do think there's a percentage of the left of the Democrats that is definitely embracing socialism and communism.
But if you look at the moderates, Michelle Obama has a podcast.
Gavin Newsom has a podcast.
libby emmons
You know, if you're looking at all of Gavin Newsom is not a moderate.
sean fracek
So, there is Michelle Obama.
carter banks
I'm talking to California.
libby emmons
They're both pretty far left.
sean fracek
Mom Dani's going on with Hassan.
Like they're looking at what we're doing and the things that we've done, podcasting, things.
They're talking about Epstein.
libby emmons
They're trying to they're trying to they're trying to mirror the cultural impact.
But the messaging is still further left.
sean fracek
I understand, but all I'm saying is they are starting to learn from their mistakes with the only in terms of presentation.
unidentified
Exactly.
sean fracek
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
In terms of presentation, I do think they give a wink and the nod.
libby emmons
No, this is not Marshall McLuhan here.
Like the medium is not the messaging.
sean fracek
But to say that they haven't changed anything, I think is wrong.
I think they actually are learning and they're seeing what works on our side.
We're the coolest when they are.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's a different story.
Yeah, you had Nancy Pelosi here today talking about how she wants to implement plans so that child sex changes are not.
sean fracek
That's possible.
tate brown
We actually have that.
libby emmons
That's not a punk rock for them.
It's modus operandi.
It's status quo.
tony ortiz
You're standing, sir.
sean fracek
I'm running the list.
Sorry, Tate.
Well, sorry.
tate brown
Hey, I'm the host here, guys.
unidentified
Gee.
tate brown
I'm just joking.
We got to watch the video that Libby was talking about.
This is a good video.
This is Nancy Pelosi.
Look, she's young and I think she's got many years of service.
unidentified
How is your office responding to the positives in gender harming here in California?
nancy pelosi
Well, that is something that I'm working for at the national level and we have some.
have how can I say it are hoping that we can have gender affirming here for our trans kids.
And that it's a it's a it's a sad thing for us.
I'm not totally I don't know what I don't know what effect we can have nationally with what we have going on in the White House and in the Congress.
It's really very sad if you were there.
Outside our door, we have a trans flag outside our door in the office building., we have the trans flag, as do some of our other colleagues.
tate brown
So as you can see, she's very well spoken, which is a beautiful thing to see.
libby emmons
This is kind of especially in our elder generation.
tate brown
And this is kind of exhibit A for what Libby is saying is they're just trying to like repackage really, really horrible ideas.
And they're trying to, and she can't do it as well, but like she was saying, they're just trying to repackage it in the broadcast kind of presentation.
But if you just listen to her, I mean, this is the moderate position in the Democratic Party today.
And the Democrats, the situation they're in is the same situation the Republicans were in 2015, which was the base had no appetite to moderate at all.
And they felt like every attempt to satiate them in any way wasn't enough.
I think in 2028 the Democrats are going to send a brick through a window.
libby emmons
What do you mean?
tate brown
I think the candidate that they're not going to tolerate a Josh Shapiro or, you know, Gretchen Whitmer.
They're not going to just let someone like, they're not going to have that shoved down their throat.
They're going to be angry.
They're going to elect an equivalent to some degree of a Donald Trump as far as expressing anger, expressing discontent with the current Democratic Party.
libby emmons
They have absolutely no front runner.
And what's interesting about that is if you look at the past several presidential elections, by this far out from an election, there was an opposition front runner.
unidentified
But at this stage, that's Al Gore., you know.
tate brown
What about 2016?
The equivalent would be what, 2014?
And Trump wasn't on the radar at that point, yeah.
libby emmons
No, no, no.
I mean, well, Trump was on the radar by 2015, for sure.
tate brown
But we're two years out.
libby emmons
But there were also already front runners, right?
You had Marco Rubio, you had Ted Cruz, you had Jeb Bush.
tate brown
Of course, Bobby Jendall was like a front runner.
libby emmons
Of course, but like you had these people.
And if you look for the Democrats, like this is a lot of runway that they have to not have anyone that they're launching.
You know what I mean?
tate brown
I mean, yeah.
libby emmons
I think that you're looking at perhaps Jasmine Crockett.
You know?
You're looking at perhaps AOC, you're looking at the legit low IQ people from the Democratic Party because they're the only ones who are stupid enough to think that they have a chance.
tate brown
I think the difference between a person like Jasmine Crockett or AOC versus not sinking because obviously not the same at all and Trump is Trump had the money to create an insurgency where in the Democratic Party they're not going to have a war chest at the moment.
libby emmons
They have a ton of money.
carter banks
Yeah, they might have money.
They don't have anyone that actually believes in the success of their dreams so much that they're willing to go out and sell a war chest like Trump had.
libby emmons
I think you're mistaken about just how much money the Democrats have.
And in terms of Democrats donors and open societies.
sean fracek
Well, USAID was shut down, so that actually.
libby emmons
USAID was shut down, but like they're they're going to come up with it.
I mean, these people are still throwing multi-thousand dollar fundraisers and stuff like that.
They're still doing all these things.
None of that has shut down.
And you had AOC after the 2024 election going out into her constituents and in her district being like, I'm so confused.
You voted for me and Trump.
tate brown
Right.
libby emmons
AOC is very Trumpy.
Just in terms of her populism.
sean fracek
I agree with you, Libby.
I do agree that they need to fix their messaging.
You know, the trans shit that's so old hat now, like there's stuff they're going to have to updatedate it.
But MAGA has really put together the model for what works and what talks to people.
And that's literally being authentic, literally being outspoken, getting on podcasts, getting on social media, saying crazy stuff.
Crockett, whether you like her or not, she's like fearless when it comes to, you know, saying what she thinks, going out there, acting crazy.
libby emmons
Did you see the report today from the New York Post?
Yeah, like her seat might be No, they were, apparently her staffers say that she doesn't do any work.
sean fracek
Of course not.
libby emmons
She just hangs out in her apartment.
She's just like an influencer level and not actually doing anything for the AOC too.
sean fracek
She's an influencer.
That's all they're just influencers.
I mean, let's be real, like politics is a popularity contest, right?
tate brown
Well, I think AOC actually does have like committee assignments.
Not that, not that means you're working, but right.
At least like she was showing up places.
sean fracek
Yeah, she was pocket just hanging out.
She was on Twitch for a while playing, what's that, Harvest game, the Harvest Moon?
Harvest Moon.
Yeah, it's like our tax dollars.
libby emmons
I'm with Tim Waltz on Twitch.
sean fracek
I know.
Our tax dollars are hard at work.
It's like, I'm like mad.
tony ortiz
But like, I agree with you.
Like, they're replicating the Trump or the MAGA like recipe of doing things, but the messaging hasn't changed.
And I don't think it's like hollow.
sean fracek
Yeah, the messaging has changed in the sense of ab Epstein though.
Epstein was a big win for them.
No, it wasn't.
libby emmons
They know it wasn't because they were the least upset about it.
Well, the thing is, of course, but the Democrats had four years to release anything about Epstein that they wanted.
And if there was anything there that actually harmed Trump, they would have released it.
And that's why it sounds so hollow.
And that's why you even had Joe Scarborough, I think, talking to Jamie Raskin about it on his show and being like, okay, Congressman, like, if you're so gung ho about this Epstein stuff, why didn't you do anything about it for the past four years?
sean fracek
I understand what you're saying.
libby emmons
Raskin couldn't say a word.
sean fracek
I understand what you're saying with the insiders.
What I'm talking about is their base.
And now, I mean, literally having Epstein on local news, on, you know, like in the mainstream.
Psyche is insane.
Like, it's everything we've asked for for the last, what, eight years or whatever.
Like, it's finally mainstream.
So they've kind of unlocked that.
And all they're doing is taking the MAGA playbook and using it.
You know, I agree the messaging needs to change and stuff, but they are.
libby emmons
I don't think their messaging needs to change because they don't think it needs to change.
I think it's just a losing message.
sean fracek
I understand.
carter banks
With losing people.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think that's what's going on.
I don't think they I don't think they have a great chance for the midterms either because so far I don't know what they could possibly be driving home.
Jeffries is mad.
He just stands there on the floor yelling about everything.
You know, you have Chuck Schumer, he doesn't know what's going on.
All of the leading Democrat governors look like idiots out here, saying, Oh, we're going to redistrict our state.
Well, you don't have anything to redistrict there.
sean fracek
I mean, I understand what you're saying, but I also hear them saying, We need the new Joe Rogan.
We need the new left Joe Rogan.
And they think it's like Friedland, you know, or there's no unifying message in the Democratic Party.
tony ortiz
There's no unifying message in the Auburn.
There's no unifying message in the Democratic Party.
Like, and Trump is like, Trump's thing was like, Build a Mall, make America great again.
We need to, they're just not sending their best.
Like, that was their thing, that was the thing, right?
And that was like a unifying message.
And like, the Democratic Party is what?
More illegal immigration, trans stuff, right?
And what, what else?
Likeike, what's absent right now?
tate brown
I mean, you hollow.
carter banks
You saw, yeah, it's weird because, like, we actually like, I mean, at least the MAGA party had goals that, if accomplished, would improve their lives.
Whereas, if the accomplished goals happen on the left, like, what does that actually mean?
Well, we don't know.
tate brown
I mean, that's, well, that's the problem is, like, you see the Zoron primary victory and everyone's like, this is great.
We should export this to the country.
sean fracek
Right.
tate brown
And it's like, this isn't even really so, I mean, it's socialism, obviously, but if you like, read the policy, it's just totally incoherent.
It's like, what are you exporting besides, like, general anti white, what are they saying?
Actually, TikToks is that the sport?
Yes.
sean fracek
That's what their export is.
Understanding social media, how to use social media, something Trump is very good at, something Vance is a master at.
tate brown
Zoran works great in New York, but it's not going to play in America.
carter banks
It's like, yeah, once you get the votes, then what?
sean fracek
I understand.
But like, he was able to get people pumped and excited through a new medium, which the Democrats have been failing at for years, and which MAGA has taken over with podcasts and social media.
tate brown
This is just a five year growing pain.
Like Obama was the first person to Twitter.
And then the Republicans figured it out five years later.
So that's not a game changer.
We're talking about actual policy platform, which does have decades long implications.
But most the policy platform of MAGA will last twenty, thirty years.
But in the Democrats have to pick their next policy platform very quickly.
libby emmons
Well, it'll only last if the Congress actually takes up some of the platforms because a lot of what Trump is doing now, right, he did by executive order in his first term.
The anti wokeness, there was a whole big thing with Chris Rufo in like, what was it, September twenty twenty, it was massive.
It was going to be like this whole seventeen seventy six project.
It was very cool.
He had all of these executive orders going on.
And as soon as Biden with the border wall, all the rest of it, he did not go through Congress to get those laws passed.
He did not fight for that in the legislature.
had as soon as Biden took office, like literally you can look up the executive orders january twenty first, twenty twenty one.
He was in there signing executive orders to reverse everything Trump did.
He signed like hundreds of orders to reverse what Trump did.
And then Trump gets into office, he has signed hundreds of executive orders to reverse what Biden did.
Well, we think Biden, well, whatever it is, Biden reversed, he went into Title IX and he said, okay, for Title IX, which was what was it sixty four, seventy two, something like that, he came in and he said, okay, Titlele IX now, sex means and gender identity.
He did that by executive order.
And that pushed out through all the federal agencies.
Every federal agency had like 180 days to come back and be like, this is how we're going to fix that.
The Department of Ag said we're going to withhold free school lunches if schools don't let boys use girls' bathrooms.
You had all of this crazy stuff going on, and that was pushed by executive order so that Trump could just reverse it.
If a Republican doesn't win the House again, right, or doesn't win the White House, then all of these executive orders could just be reversed again and the directives go back again.
Now you have to remember affirmative action action was an executive order.
That was an executive order.
And that stayed with us this whole time.
Why did no Republican ever reverse it?
You know what I'm saying?
Like any of this stuff can just be reversed.
And I find it infuriating that we have a Republican Congress and a Republican led Senate, and they won't take up some of these things to say we are reaffirming that Title II means, you know, legal protections for actual women or whatever the other things are, some of the border security measures, a lot of that stuff.
Has the House passed anything other than the Lake and Riley Act and the Big Beautiful Bill this year?
policy proposals from Trump's executive orders, the anti wokeness, some of the anti wokeness in AI, which I think is a really big deal.
And the Congress hasn't taken up any of it.
And instead you have the Senate saying, no, we're not going to stay around and try to confirm some of your appointed.
And the House is like, no, we're going to go.
You have a bunch of people saying, yeah, we're going to take this free trip to Israel.
Like, what are you doing?
You know, what are you doing?
Like, put your stuff together.
I will say that back these policies.
sean fracek
There's been a little black pilling on Trump on this show for a little bit.
And I understand the frustration, you know, especially with the way that the Epstein thing was handled and with some of the other stuff, but like just imagine the other option we had if Kamala is president right now.
I mean, that's yeah, I mean, I I'm just saying like, you know, what he's done, especially rolling back DEI, a lot of the changes he's made, like there have been like, you know, the ICE stuff like going after you, like he has done a lot in the ICE stuff, like going after you, like he has done a lot in the ICE stuff, I'm not complaining about Trump.
libby emmons
Right.
You're complaining about Kamala.
Yeah, admit.
tate brown
So I was going to say, Yeah.
The thing is, when people say, well, look what we could have had, that's not a pro Trump position.
That's an absolving Congress.
sean fracek
No, no, but I'm saying, I'm both pro and thank God we don't have the other side.
I'm, but I'm also a fan of what he's doing with immigration, what he's done with DEI, what he's done with the a lot of this stuff, you know, like the JFK stuff, obviously, that was interesting, but I think the only thing that he really kind of messed up was Epstein, and I don't think that was necessarily him, I think that was his teams.
tate brown
Well, speaking of immigration, we got one more story here from the post millennial Superman actor Dean Kane to join ICE, will be sworn in, quote, ASAP.
Dean Kane, an actor who played Superman in the 1990s TV show Lois and Clark.
Lois and Clark?
Lois and Clark.
Lois and Clark.
sean fracek
I'm on nineties, so I'm sorry.
tate brown
The New Adventures of Superman told Fox News is Jesse Waters prime time on Wednesday that he is joining had put out a recruitment video on Tuesday in which he had laid out the benefits interested parties would get by joining ICE, of which Waters had shown a clip on his show.
Let's take a look at the clip.
carter banks
What are you going to be doing at ICE?
dean cain
Well, let me go back a minute here, Jesse.
This is all your fault, by the way.
I'll explain why.
Well, because I put out a recruitment video yesterday.
I'm actually a deputy sheriff, a sworn deputy sheriff and a reserve police officer.
I wasn't part of ICE, but once I put that out there and you put a little blurb on your show, it went crazy.
So now I've spoken with some officials over at ICE and I will be sworn in as an ICE agent as AP.
So they'll have 80,000 and one recruits for their 10,000 positions.
sean fracek
Well, they can't have a better guy than Dean Kane.
unidentified
Are you going to be hopping out of ICE fans and apprehending guys?
dean cain
I will do whatever Director Lyons wants me to do, if that's what it takes, absolutely.
I somehow doubt I'll be in that position, but I would be there in a heartbeat.
These brave men and women need someone to stand up for them.
So rarely, you know, these days we're seeing that.
Someone like Daniel Penney stands up, he gets vilified.
Dan Bongino steps up, gives up five million a year and goes and tak and takes his position at the FBI.
This is the kind of thing where people have to step up.
I'm stepping up.
Hopefully, a whole bunch of other former officers, former ICE agents will step up and we'll meet those recruitment goals immediately.
tate brown
That Chiron was incredible.
Illegals have their Kryptonite.
That's a beautiful thing.
sean fracek
I love it.
Patriot Kane, I think you should do it in the Superman costume for some media on it.
I think that would be fantastic.
Like literally Superman kicking out the illegals.
This isn't novel though.
Steven Seagal did this.
Remember, he became cop.
He went, you know, he became a cop.
tony ortiz
It looks more like a justice thing.
But this is he won't even fat out say whether he's actually going to be on the field.
It's probably a desk job or a media job that.
sean fracek
No, oh no, Steven Seagal is out there like arresting people.
So he's a kid who will do it.
carter banks
He's a lawmaker.
tate brown
Exactly, where he's just a copy and he comes in.
It's worth noting that like ICE is so much different than anything we've seen so far, ICE and the Trump administration, because this really does feel like, to some degree, like the reconquist done.
This is like a ability, this is the ability to participate in the reconquist, to put your name in history books.
I was talking to Owen Schroyer about this earlier, and he was in total agreement.
So I don't know if you guys agree, but if you're like a young man and you really feel like your inheritance has been stolen when you look around your country, you see ICE as like the ticket to actually restore that inheritance.
libby emmons
Plus like fifty thousand dollars.
That doesn't matter.
Yeah, but the signing bonus.
tate brown
The glory alone is great.
And then you can pay off your college.
sean fracek
You guys covered this last night though.
Like they still like the barrier to entry is still ridiculous, right?
It's like you have to be a government employee.
You have to have a four year.
You have to do I mean, why would we do that?
tate brown
Four year gets you around it and it's like half of Zoomers are going to college.
sean fracek
But again, like why put yourself in debt for something?
Like if you know this is the job you want to do anyway.
Most people go to college.
tate brown
Zoomers.
sean fracek
Oh, that's a bad choice.
tate brown
More than half are in college.
Like, I mean, that's your point.
sean fracek
I think you're going to get better candidates.
I like Tim's point on this.
Let them in and train them.
Let literally anyone can do any job.
That was the whole thing with Zoomers.
I think that's true.
I don't think Leonardo DiCaprio's character in Catch Me If You Can, he literally learned himself to do it.
libby emmons
Okay, but that's a different thing.
sean fracek
Right, but he learned.
tate brown
And they are working.
libby emmons
There's a ton of jobs I can't do.
Like, I can never be an elephant trainer.
sean fracek
If you had on the job training and somebody that was good at their job, you would one hundred percent be an elephant trainer.
libby emmons
I don't think so.
unidentified
I do.
libby emmons
And also, like, I could never be a weightlifter.
sean fracek
I well, okay.
Well, what do you mean?
You pick up a weight, you're a weightlifter.
libby emmons
No, that's not a profession.
Like, it's not a profession.
That's different.
But if you have, like, someone that's what we're talking about.
sean fracek
We're talking about jobs.
That's, yeah, I know.
But if you have, like, someone that's what we're talking about.
libby emmons
We're talking about jobs.
sean fracek
That's, yeah, I know.
But if you have someone that's good at their job, at training, you can never be an elephant trainer.
tate brown
So he says blank slate theory, disavowed.
Don't make sure he never puts his lip tart theory and I'm like, blank slate theory?
sean fracek
What is it?
tate brown
Yeah, you're saying that anyone can be a weightlifter.
It's like, no, you need to be Austrian.
That's how it works.
libby emmons
Anyone could be a man if they just wish it.
sean fracek
No, no, no, I'm not talking about biology.
What I'm talking about is like literally on the job training.
Tate, you weren't in the seat.
A couple months later, guess what?
You're in the seat.
You learned how to do the job.
tate brown
Could we transition for the job?
You had to be a weightlifter.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, like, we need to have more faith in the workforce and not look at people that don't have a college degree as lesser.
tate brown
Okay, you're all wrong, Sean.
You're all wrong.
I just got a text from a friend, Devin.
He's a bodybuililder.
And you said, Blue Hoodie has no idea what weightlifting is like.
That kind of says it all right.
tony ortiz
People just don't have the genetics for it.
sean fracek
Right.
unidentified
Okay.
tony ortiz
I can't push.
libby emmons
I'll just call Sean Blue Hoodie from now on.
sean fracek
I'm right.
I've been on many work sites where you can literally teach someone.
Like, I don't like looking at people as lesser, especially people on the floor.
tate brown
I think people are lesser all the time.
That's being American.
tony ortiz
I think that's the problem though is that we don't accept the fact that some people can't do certain things.
Whether it's a gender issue or a race, ethnicity, a race issue or just an intellect issue.
Like, there's going to be jobs that we can't do.
sean fracek
So I'm going to ask you this question.
So you think there are rate that your race prevents you from learning a job.
tony ortiz
There are some things that certain I mean, this is just factual.
Like there are some races that excel in certain things over others.
And that's not I don't think that's I think it's actually better to excel.
sean fracek
Do you have any examples?
tony ortiz
I'm not going to give an example.
sean fracek
Well, I mean, let's get into it.
tony ortiz
Like I couldn't I couldn't probably be a bodybuilder, right?
sean fracek
Like because you're Mexican.
tony ortiz
I think I don't have the genetics for it.
Like I look at my father and my family.
sean fracek
Oh, but that's what I'm not saying, but your race, does your race actually prevent you?
tony ortiz
I think in some situations that there are specific things that you can't.
sean fracek
Examples, boys.
Okay, just try to feel it, all right?
tony ortiz
Well, you look at like look at like look at like football teams.
There's a majority blacks because they excel.
Like look at how they they build muscle faster.
sean fracek
Well, I absolutely.
tate brown
I'm asking for muscle fiber.
tony ortiz
Yeah, absolutely.
sean fracek
Okay.
tony ortiz
You look at some Asian.
sean fracek
So you don't think that comes from the culture that's pushing the kids to be in sports from like the age of five?
tony ortiz
I think that's actually true.
I think science will actually show that black people have a tendency to build muscle faster and have it will they develop years earlier.
sean fracek
So what you guys are saying is black people are better at sports than white people.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah, obviously.
That's like everyone in our house.
libby emmons
I don't think that's true.
sean fracek
I just want to get that up.
tate brown
With team sports, yeah.
libby emmons
I don't think that's true.
sean fracek
I don't think it's true either.
I think you can change.
tate brown
The NBA and NFL.
I mean, the NHL's.
libby emmons
But I mean, that's just recently.
That's just recently.
I mean, the NBA, like, the NBA originally, like, it was mostly white dudes.
Jewish players.
You know, when they're all like plumbers.
unidentified
Yeah, but there's also LeBronicus.
When you try to get to a higher elite level, like, yeah, if you're from a certain base, but it's just where we are right now culturally.
sean fracek
I think it's more culture.
In the black community, they really push their kids to focus on sports at an earlier age than in other.
serge du preez
Yeah, but I mean, I I mean, I lived in America and had white parents who pushed their sons and daughters to be like soccer players.
That's all they do their whole life.
And ski racing as well.
Like, I ski racing as a kid.
Like, people put their whole life behind that.
And like, yo, your kid is never winning a FIS race.
It's never going to happen.
sean fracek
Understood.
I'm not saying, I'm not saying, anyone can do anything.
What I'm saying is your race doesn't necessarily prevent you from doing something.
Like you can be born.
libby emmons
Of course, your race doesn't prevent you from doing something.
sean fracek
You could be born like Yao Ming was eight foot.
He was in the NBA forever.
They loved him.
libby emmons
And what about, like, what about the, there was like a plethora of Eastern European basketball players for a while that were like, and the Europeans are crushing in the NBA and they're they're white, Tate.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tate brown
I know.
I'm just saying, like, I I just think it's a non starter if we're going to say that white Americans are just as like they're a bad artist.
libby emmons
I think it's totally cultural.
sean fracek
Yeah.
To say, I agree.
tate brown
I'm trying to think that I grew up in Memphis.
I really wanted to go to the NBA.
You realize pretty quickly it's not going to happen.
sean fracek
But you, but you, but I'm saying there is a white person like you, like, taller than you and better than you that could, is what I'm saying.
tony ortiz
I think if we're talking about generalities, generalities, like, of course there's a kind of norm.
unidentified
Exactly.
sean fracek
Right.
But, but also there's something to What about hockey?
libby emmons
Right?
tony ortiz
I mean, look at hockey, like, that's a that's a very we also look at generalities in like, um, like gender, like, men perform better in certain things.
And vice versa, women perform better than academic Olympiads.
tate brown
You see, definitely.
tony ortiz
And I think if you can accept the fact that if you accept the fact that some that genders have superiority in certain things, then I think it makes sense that race, race wouldn't fall into that.
as well.
libby emmons
Gender and race are totally different.
sean fracek
Gender and race are different.
Also, too, like there is something in this country.
A, make color blindness great again.
B, we were always taught, like, from when we were kids, guess what?
With enough hard work, you can get there.
serge du preez
Totally.
sean fracek
Like, that's the message.
I'm so stupid.
It's not always true, but I know, but the message should still be to the kids.
Instead of telling the kids, Hey, you're victims.
You're this.
You're never going to get there.
libby emmons
With enough hard work, you too can read The Odyssey.
sean fracek
Like, you can do it.
Like, you can do it.
Put your minds.
tate brown
Okay, but you literally, you mentioned, you said, you said, someone taller than you can make the NBA.
So you're already accepting that your genetics absolutely.
sean fracek
Absolutely.
tate brown
So, like, you're going to do it with your life.
sean fracek
Okay, fair.
So instead of maybe being a player, they can go into ads for the NBA.
They can go into some of the topics.
I'm just saying, dude, like sometimes your dream is your dream.
It's like, hey, I want to be in the NBA no matter what.
serge du preez
It's like But they're not being prevented from it.
unidentified
Like you can just because you're able to do something doesn't mean you're going to be like, Oh, so much of telling them their race doesn't allow them to do it.
sean fracek
It's a bad message.
I totally agree.
serge du preez
That's when anywhere in the United States, anywhere is telling you you can't do something.
sean fracek
You just said it on the internet.
serge du preez
Like my kids, that's my point.
The point is saying, like, it's bigger than just any person's skin color.
Like, skin color means almost nothing.
I'm a friend from North London that is, that's lived in London his whole life.
And he's a black guy and he doesn't have anything to do with, like, but he's.
English in all sense of the word.
I understand that.
I'm not like, not being an idiot here, but I'm saying, like, just the idea that someone has, like, their skin color is like the only thing that determines, like, we have a major problem in this country with cultural assimilation.
unidentified
Yes.
serge du preez
Cultural assimilation is the major issue with all this immigration.
It has nothing to do with the skin color.
I don't care what your skin color is, the matter is if you can assimilate into the culture and become an American.
That's the issue.
I don't want to be like, oh, we can let anyone.
It's like, yeah, sure, anyone can do it, but can they reach those, like, we're based on meritocracy.
Can you reach the actual levels?
Just because you can do the job doesn't mean you're the optimal person for the job.
It doesn't mean you're the best person to do it.
sean fracek
But hard work.
serge du preez
Yeah, hard work, sure, but like.
It lets you there.
sean fracek
there, that's the point I make.
That needs to come back in our culture.
Like, we lost that.
The kids these days are being taught, your sex, your race, whatever, it's holding you back.
There's nothing you can do.
Our society's stacked against you.
Instead of getting back to what the nineties and the eighties kids were told, it's like, hey, you want to do that?
Do it.
tate brown
Yeah, and look, we're telling people you can be anything you want, Goddess.
Shoot for the goddess.
sean fracek
If you shoot for the moon, the worst you can do is land on the stars.
tate brown
I'm not, I'm not making any argument for genetic determinism.
I'm just saying, like, people need to be kind of realistic and stop telling, like, five foot women they can be cops.
tony ortiz
That's where I fall.
It's like, okay, you just have to be able to accept the fact that, you know, if you're five foot five, you're probably not going to be an NBA player.
carter banks
I want to be a model.
And I walked into so many open calls in New York and they were like, get out of here.
You're not out of here.
sean fracek
Even with the police though, there's clerical needs.
There's a whole bunch of office needs.
There's a whole bunch of stuff.
tate brown
I started talking about ICE officers and then you're making an argument.
sean fracek
It's like, no, there's the ICE has clerical needs.
They have logistical needs.
They need people mapping out where the trucks are going.
serge du preez
Like, there's definitely someone that's been better at doing that and someone's been worse at doing that.
And I think like, right now we have a situation where it's like, oh, just because you can do the basic job.
Like, I see videos of people at Walmart that are like, not doing the job at all.
And like, oh, well, I worked four hours and I get this money.
It's like, I'm just quiet quitting.
I'm just trying to, like, whatever get by.
It's like, I don't want you working there, bro.
I like, stuff needs to go on the shelves.
Like, stuff needs to happen.
We need to have a functioning country just because some people.
can do the job theoretically doesn't mean they actually will.
It doesn't mean they have a real drive to actually do it.
sean fracek
But you're missing the point of the message.
The message is if you really want to do it, hard work will get you there.
I understand what you're saying, Serge.
Like if they don't want to do it, you're right.
You're not going to force a circle into a square peg, right?
tony ortiz
But if someone is really motivated and they're like, this is my dream, this is the thing I want to do, we should be But that messaging has gone too far because you're seeing so many like institutions, whether it's schools or even military or police, they're lowering the standards because they want to accommodate that ideology.
sean fracek
Yeah, I'm not saying that.
tony ortiz
They want to say, well, you're telling, you're telling someone you can do whatever they want and they they physically or literally.
can't.
So we're just going to lower the standards so that they can hit that.
sean fracek
Completely.
tony ortiz
That's the big problem.
sean fracek
That was never part of the messaging in the 90s.
It wasn't like, work hard and you can achieve because we're going to lower the standards.
It's work hard so you know what it is.
serge du preez
It's this work hard style.
It's just to place you with a ton of random people that we're going to bring to the country at the end of your college life.
sean fracek
Wasn't the message?
serge du preez
Sorry, our bad.
I was going to do the job and everyone came to the clinic.
tate brown
Because we have a generation of children whose parents told them they can do whatever they want.
They can be whatever they want.
And that just raises a bunch of really, really entitled people.
sean fracek
I disagree.
I think it brings up people that like actually think outside the box and can think beyond what these, what society is putting on them as far as you can only do this.
Like if it's America, dude, that's the whole reason why we are America.
People come here because they know if you work hard enough here, you can do whatever you want.
serge du preez
Stop coming.
Yo, stop coming.
tate brown
Yeah, please.
Your dreams will not happen here.
We're full.
unidentified
Exactly.
sean fracek
We're full now.
Unless I'm saying that was always the idea.
tate brown
Unless you want to join ICE, then we can maybe make an exception.
sean fracek
I think, I think, like telling kids that the white kids are oppressing the black kids and the black kids are victims and they're never going to make it.
That's a horrible.
tate brown
Not what I'm saying.
sean fracek
Yeah, well, that is what's being taught today.
carter banks
I thought we started with anyone could come and do anyone else's job more than Elsa's job if taught by someone who does that job.
I don't agree with that.
sean fracek
Really?
carter banks
No.
So, okay, give me a couple of examples of jobs you think that can't be taught outside of weightlifting, which I mean, I could teach you how to be an audio engineer over the course of like ten or fifteen years if you're really good at music.
sean fracek
And so, you don't think anyone can learn how to be audio engineers as long as they're I think it's pretty difficult to teach writing.
libby emmons
I mean, if you're, you know, you can teach someone who can write to be better.
sean fracek
So, we can't teach writing either?
libby emmons
You can teach someone who can write to be a better writer, but I don't think you can teach someone who has no skill to be good.
sean fracek
Listen, there's always a percentage for the X factor in anything.
And I think if people have that X factor and a lot of times it's interest and passion, like autism, to the point where they want to just do it, do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Those are the people you can train.
That's what I'm talking about.
You can train some Joshima off the street that's like, not interested at all.
I'm talking about the people at Ashley.
carter banks
Oh, I thought that's Ashley saying.
sean fracek
Yeah, no, like, like, yeah, you can get them there, right?
tate brown
Like, I think both are possible.
I mean, you look at the classic disposition, which is Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo's Lionel Messi is like five six.
Nothing about he has a growth hormone deficiency.
Nothing about him would indicate this is going to be a top level athlete.
And he's the greatest soccer player of all time.
On the other hand, if Cristiano Ronaldo's six three physical specimen.
He trains.
He's like has the most diligent diet probably on planet Earth.
And he's also achieved that very high level.
So it's like there are two pathways.
You could work your way there or with Lionel Messi, he does work very hard, obviously, but that's natural.
His natural talent level of talent.
And so it's like, it's the same thing with writing or the same thing as sound engineers.
You can teach someone to get to a really good point, But to be that Lionel Messi, you just have to have that intangible talent that's born.
sean fracek
You know, and I don't know if you're too young, but like Muggsy Bogues was in the NBA.
Does anyone remember Muggsy Bogues?
He was like 5'1, 5'2.
I mean, what if people told him, Oh, you're not tall enough, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
That dude is like an all star.
I mean, there are exceptions.
So like, all I'm saying is it shouldn't be taken off the table.
We shouldn't be teaching kids that they're worthless and that they're victims.
We should be teaching themaching them that you can do anything.
dean cain
Totally.
sean fracek
Put your mind to it.
Find it out.
Especially if you have the passion.
If you're American.
tate brown
I agree.
All right.
We need to get to super chats, I think, right, Surge?
Surge is kind of like coaching me through this whole situation.
I know it makes it look like I got everything locked down.
I'm putting it all together.
It's actually Surge throwing up hand signals.
I think he threw up a gang sign earlier, so we need to be a little careful, but do you read every super chat?
serge du preez
I'll show you.
tate brown
We'll get to that.
Okay, all right.
Just point while you're over what I read.
sean fracek
While you're transitioning, it's American, not American.
unidentified
Hey.
Hey, whoa.
tate brown
All right.
Join Ice.
All right.
sean fracek
And lower the standards for Ice, I think, a lot., I think you get a lot more for it.
tony ortiz
For your thing, I think it's a poor government.
sean fracek
It's a poor government.
Like you have to have government experience.
It's like, no, we don't want people in a government.
They're worthless.
tate brown
Okay, well, it's time to read.
I have to lock in here.
James Adrinson says, Good luck, Tate.
Hopefully this won't be remembered as a taint cast.
unidentified
Ooh.
sean fracek
You can do anything you want on your last day.
tate brown
I think the jury is out so far.
I don't know.
We'll see what the people say afterwards.
What's it?
Rayburt G. Stanbert junior.
Cool that Tim got a long lost Tate brother as a backup host.
Yeah, people don't realize having Tate as your name when you're scrolling through your Twitter feed and you see people like, Tate is a domestic abuser, Tate kids trafficking women.
And I'm just like the psychological impact that has, reading your name, doing that everywhere.
I'm like, I didn't do that.
I'm a good guy, I think.
I don't know.
But yeah, I appreciate it.
sean fracek
I'm waiting to have Liz come on.
We'll see you.
tate brown
Yeah, that's true.
Let's see.
Big 7588 says the last time a citizenship question was included on the main US census questionnaire sent to every household was in 1950.
Bless you.
sean fracek
1950.
tate brown
1950.
That's according to Big 7.
sean fracek
The point I'm making with that is not that it's on the census.
The point I'm making with it is these people don't., these people trust police officers less than black people.
You know what I mean?
Like, they don't want to talk to anyone.
libby emmons
Well, they tried to get the citizenship question on the census in 2019 ahead of the 2020, and it was not approved to go forward.
sean fracek
Yeah.
tate brown
Brett Dasavik.
Take the test.
Remember boys, calories in, calories out.
serge du preez
I had to.
I had to.
unidentified
It's based.
It's based.
tate brown
It's true.
Yeah.
sean fracek
If you didn't see last night, oh, we got an extended version today from Tim on the calories in calories.
tate brown
Yeah.
If you didn't see last night the war, the psychological war, I would say, between Phil and Tim over calorie counting.
was, I mean, it made Israel and Palestine look like a slight disagreement.
libby emmons
Wait, who had which take?
tate brown
Phil was saying calorie deficit is all that matters to cut weight, and Tim was saying, no, you need certain nutritional, you need protein, you need protein, you need exercise.
sean fracek
And he, yeah, he references Neil Agassiz Tyson because Neil Agassiz Tyson's a fat ass.
And he always, he makes the calorie in calorie out argue.
libby emmons
I've only ever had success losing weight once in my life, and it wasn't exercise, and it wasn't calorie deficit.
sean fracek
You exercise every day, so what do you do now?
libby emmons
Oh, I do now.
Oh, anxiety and depression.
Super effective.
I lost thirty pounds in like two months.
sean fracek
Oh, yeah., just don't eat.
libby emmons
Amazing.
sean fracek
Just extended food.
libby emmons
I wasn't even not eating.
carter banks
Not eating.
sean fracek
Oh, I was just being sad all the time.
libby emmons
Anxiety and crying.
Aggression.
Yeah.
tate brown
Heron Gaming News says I support the removal of junk food from food stamps, but precooked deli items should be covered.
Some people don't know how to cook.
libby emmons
I agree with that.
That's a good take.
tony ortiz
Well, in Texas, we recently passed the removal of soda and candy for snap beneficiaries.
And so that was a really big deal for us.
And you know what's crazy and a lot of people aren't talking about is the soda industry, the PACs were paying influencers to fight against it.
libby emmons
That's pretty dirty.
tony ortiz
It's very dirty.
And there's a lot of MAGA influencers were being paid without disclosing to promote not removing soda and candy.
libby emmons
I think that was a big turning point actually because like the whole influencer getting paid to do stuff market, like with advertising, you know, it's always very clear, like this is an advertisement.
When we run ads on the post millennial website, and I know you do this too, right?
Like you have to say, like, this is an advertisement.
And there haven't been standards for influencers.
It's such a new area.
tony ortiz
Ex has guidelines that the FEC has.
some gray guidelines about it, but they're not doing it.
And this is specifically a huge problem.
libby emmons
Do you think people are doing it now after that whole Soda Cruffle?
tony ortiz
No, absolutely not.
They're doing it today.
There's a plenty of, and I hate to say it, but there's a lot of MAGA influencers that are taking cash from PACs, from other organizations, directly from politicians in order to push policy.
There's a big MAGA influencer, I'm not going to drop his name, but he was taking money from the green energy lobby, being paid twelve dollars per petition to push solar energy in Texas.
And it was so disingenuous.
They were using the background., they were using oil wells in the background of this petition.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
tony ortiz
But you were signing something that was promoting wind and solar energy in Texas, and you were called out on it, immediately deleted it.
But there are companies that will, you can sign up if you're the Zonago influencer that will pay you to push like petitions or policy, and they don't, they, they're not disclosing.
In fact, I posted this and I was approached by one, and they specifically asked you not to really?
to put it that it's an ad or that you're being paid for it.
libby emmons
I don't have a problem with it, so long as it's fully disclosed.
tony ortiz
I totally agree with you.
People should be able to be compensated for their, their, their, their followers.
Yeah, absolutely, but you should.
libby emmons
It makes little sense.
It should just be disclosed., just like with anything else.
sean fracek
I disagree with the super chatter though.
I do think deli meat should not be part of everyday life.
unidentified
Deli meat?
sean fracek
It's horrible for you.
It's full of sodium.
It's like a little sandwich.
No, it's completely unhealthy.
And the argument of, oh, people don't know how to cook.
Come on.
YouTube teaches you everything.
libby emmons
No, I think that I think pre prepared deli foods should be fine.
I think you should be able to get the stovers.
sean fracek
Horribly unhealthy.
libby emmons
Well, I think you should be able to get some of this stuff.
Like, I think it's okay.
I'm not a fan of putting chips and candy bars and sodas on.
Yeah.
But I think that there's a lot of room for lifestyle choices that are healthy within the rest of the framework.
This is not typically stuff that I buy, but I mean, I'll buy deli meat and like make a sandwich or whatever, you know?
sean fracek
I'm just saying if the goal of Maha is to make the food more healthy that you're getting from government.
tony ortiz
A classic American sandwich.
A classic lunch is a ham sandwich.
sean fracek
But you can cook the chicken.
You can, it takes two, come on.
You go on YouTube.
Anyone can learn how to cook a chicken.
libby emmons
I don't think there's anything wrong with deli meat.
I think it's okay.
tate brown
You think they're eating all ham and cheese like you were saying?
libby emmons
And you think they're eating rotisserie chicken up on the Empire's Rotisserie?
tate brown
Rotisserie is good.
They're eating rotisserie chicken.
sean fracek
Rotisserie chicken is good.
tate brown
Rotisserie chicken is good.
sean fracek
Rotisserie chicken should be good.
Rotisserie chicken should be good.
libby emmons
I think you should also be able to get the pre- pre made, you know, sandwich on the pre made potato salad.
serge du preez
Hogan.
sean fracek
Yeah.
But they were also working their ass off, really.
tate brown
Yeah, because they're eating sandwiches.
That fuels the American man.
libby emmons
Like a sandwich.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
You can eat anything you want when you're working on skyscrapers.
tate brown
Real.
Shane H. Wilder says, I'm sorry, Libby, I'm going to be nerdy and correct you.
Jim Jones didn't use Kool Aid.
It was Flavor Aid.
The dude couldn't even show out for the good stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Well, they were socialists.
libby emmons
Yeah, there you go.
Well, if you're killing everybody, you can as well.
And actually, that is of course where, I mean, it's kind of apocryphal at this point because the phrase drink the Kool Aid comes from the Jim Jones massacre.
Right.
And nobody says drink the flavor aid.
So I'm sorry, Shane.
The history of it has been replaced with the metaphor.
sean fracek
Also, two, the real story was they didn't drink the Kool Aid willingly.
It was by gunpoint.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was by gunpoint.
And those that didn't, they shot him anyway.
libby emmons
And they killed a congressman who went down there.
sean fracek
That was the congressman that was congressman Ryan.
That's when it went all wrong.
As soon as that congressman died and they killed him.
carter banks
I would argue it went wrong before that, but he definitely capped it off for sure.
sean fracek
And guess what?
They were socialists.
It didn't work.
Again, socialism failed again.
libby emmons
Also, wasn't he banging all the chicks on the compound?
Of course.
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah.
libby emmons
Always the goo goo guys you have to watch out for.
tate brown
hey, I'm starting you know, more I learn about these cults, the less I like them.
Gotta say, I'm not a big fan of these.
sean fracek
I can't take, I can't take the opposite of that argument.
Like, I would love to take the opposite.
libby emmons
the cults are no boy now.
sean fracek
I can't name a good cult.
libby emmons
Yeah.
sean fracek
I don't know what's the most exciting.
tate brown
Well, Heavensgate, they got some cool shoes out of it, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah, and I just did their websites.
sean fracek
Yeah, exactly.
carter banks
They actually left one guy behind at three billion.
tate brown
Okay, Mike G says, count the illegals after they're rounded up and sent to detention centers in red states.
Let's play really dirty.
sean fracek
Why are we sending them to detention centers?
Why don't we just send them out of the country?
libby emmons
Well, because you have to put them somewhere before you get them on those flights.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
sean fracek
Oh, staging to okay.
libby emmons
Yeah, like, what is it?
Speedway slammer in, where is the Speedway slammer?
Is that going to be, oh, Indiana, the Speedway slammer?
Alligator Alcatraz in Florida.
Yeah.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, like, the cost to put them on planes and stuff, that's got to be insane.
libby emmons
Well, Biden was like, well, not exactly paying for people to come in, but he was facilitating all those people to come in.
It's got to cost money.
It's got to cost money to get people out.
sean fracek
Yeah.
No, I get it.
tate brown
Here's a good one for Mehmed too.
Illegals were filling out the census.
I did work census in 2010.
I was a census crew leader specifically because I spoke Spanish.
tony ortiz
Yeah.
unidentified
They really.
tony ortiz
Yeah, they really because you're to your point.
Hold on.
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
tony ortiz
I agree with you that the illegals are hesitant to talk to government, but these people were showing up in T-shirts, jeans, shorts, saying, hey, talking to them in their native language, saying, fill out this form.
And it really like put them at ease in order to fill something out.
sean fracek
I will say 2010 though, okay, there's there must be a difference here because I understand what you're saying.
Illegals with the anchor babies are much more confident than the illegals that don't have the anchor babies.
So I'm sure the people that he was talking to in 2010 had American kids that were So that would be interesting.
Maybe Super Chad or throw in the comments.
Stupid chat or throw in the comments.
Let us know.
Like how many of those illegals that he was censusing, surveying had kids?
I'd like to know.
They're more confident.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Could be.
TNP says, What's the chance we can get Kurt Kaz or Tyler Oliveira or Baldwin bankrupt on the podcast?
It would be good to get some travel vloggers on.
That would be sick.
Baldwin bankrupt's like huge.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tate brown
He's really good.
sean fracek
Does he have a contact telling him to reach out?
tate brown
Yeah.
Kurt Kaz, he's he's I don't see as much from Tyler Oliveira, but yeah, Kurt Kaz is his last wild videos.
serge du preez
Obligatory South African shout out to Kurt Kaz.
But Tyler Oliveira just made that video where we went to Paris.
I don't know if anyone's seen that.
I mean, I know like, I think probably Asman then covered the video and Atectone covered it and stuff, but like, the video's nuts.
If we just get people to go on the streets and show what it's really happening, it's.
tate brown
I still, I'm sitting on a bunch of travel vlogs from Africa that I got to do something with.
serge du preez
We should do something with them.
tate brown
I think we should do something with them, release them to the public.
sean fracek
Shameless plug, am I right?
tate brown
Well, no, they're, I don't know, they're just sitting on a hard drive, yes.
Anything this is holding myself accountable to do something with.
sean fracek
Oh, there you go.
tate brown
Yeah.
Let's see here.
Andrew D from NP says, imagine Tulsi v Kamala in three full one-on-one debates.
sean fracek
Oh, Tulsi Rexer.
libby emmons
Tulsi Rexer in 2020.
I'm going to vote for her in 2020.
sean fracek
Well.
libby emmons
Yeah.
sean fracek
What do you guys think?
Tulsi?
libby emmons
On the debate stage.
sean fracek
Tulsi.
tate brown
Yeah, she's not going to get up here and say Kamala would win really decisively.
sean fracek
I do, I mean, Libby, what do you think of this ticket like JD Tulsi?
libby emmons
Maybe.
sean fracek
Yeah.
I mean, obviously it's too early to say.
libby emmons
I mean, it really depends on what happens with the Russia stuff, right?
sean fracek
What do you mean?
libby emmons
Like, she dropped all those documents alleging.
Yeah, alleging that Obama and Hillary Clinton.
sean fracek
Will we see arrests?
libby emmons
Will we see something come from that?
Okay.
I think that that's actually so under reported right now.
sean fracek
Yeah.
libby emmons
And we really need to know.
sean fracek
It's a going on?
libby emmons
Well, we've been reporting on it, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Where can they find that?
libby emmons
They could find that in the Post-Billennial, Sean.
unidentified
Hey.
Hey.
sean fracek
That's not a shameless plug, see the difference?
tate brown
Someone you didn't see says, In keeping with Tim Cast tradition, we are here at the hospital for the delivery of our first child.
Want to shout out my wife for staying so strong through the pain, praying for a safe delivery.
We will pray for a safe delivery as well.
That is awesome.
tony ortiz
Congratulations.
sean fracek
Congratulations.
libby emmons
I will say like Congratulations, that's wonderful.
sean fracek
Tim always talks about the population declining, but for some reason, every show, there's one or two kids that are born in the super chats.
libby emmons
That's very cool.
sean fracek
So like, which way is it?
I can't wait for the census.
libby emmons
Everyone should have babies.
It's better than everything else.
tony ortiz
Maybe they need to watch more Timcast.
libby emmons
Maybe so.
tate brown
I think we have, do something to these people.
sean fracek
We have someone tomorrow that does not agree with that sentiment.
I can't wait.
libby emmons
Really?
That's because that's your sentiment.
sean fracek
Alec Camino, yeah.
libby emmons
Well, I think having babies is the best.
sean fracek
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tate brown
It's a work in progress.
Vacant Stair says the asylums used to have large farms and they had the committed work in the farms or the other cottage industry.
Yeah, I mean, that's still a, the chain gang is still a thing.
Like we still use labor from like prisons.
sean fracek
Is he saying prisons?
libby emmons
That's where we get our licenses.
tate brown
Asylums.
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tate brown
Speaking of the DMV, yeah.
sean fracek
Well, that's what I'm saying, yeah, we have all these people in prison, like, yeah, absolutely, put them on the farms, like, you know, like seriously, what are we doing?
It's crazy.
Like, we're just paying for them to live in these prisons.
The prisons are making money, we're losing money.
tony ortiz
You think we used to have criminals or felons or whatever, you also fighting fires?
sean fracek
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they still do it, I think they still do it, yeah.
And they have like ROTC programs too, I think, where they're going to join the military and stuff, like, all that's good stuff, you know, like, why are we using a underclass of people that's not even from our country when we literally are paying for people to have three meals, you know, and beds every night.
It's like, come on.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
And that don't pay them.
See?
See that time.
tate brown
They pay.
sean fracek
They pay the two dollars an hour.
tate brown
Yeah, they pay the firefighters.
sean fracek
Yeah, no, the prisoners.
I think they, it's like, it's like something like a dollar an hour, two dollars an hour, something like for the work they do, something like that.
tate brown
Yeah, it's like, because they make it sound like it's slay layers.
Like they're getting compensated.
sean fracek
Right.
tate brown
Especially being in prison, your commentsary runs exactly.
It's a great thing.
But I gotta be careful pronouncing this one.
Come on and get some.
Oh, come on and get some.
Okay.
unidentified
Dude, that was, got him scared.
tate brown
No joke, the farm thing is a great idea.
I know of a place called Renovatus.
Renovatus in Jefferson City, Tennessee.
It's a Christian-based program that houses them and has them learn skills on the farm.
Shout out.
sean fracek
Shout out.
What's his name?
Her name?
tate brown
His name?
Come on.
sean fracek
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
Get some.
But the one I get some was Renovatus in Jefferson City.
I mean, yeah, these places, I mean, they have like, um, they have these, these programs where they, they send people to like the troubled children to farms and these sorts of things.
sean fracek
Like, and a lot, you know, a lot of it too.
It's like, especially with troubled youths, I know that word's being used a lot.
But a lot of times when they get into jobs and they, they actually go home from doing like a day's work, there's a sense of pride there.
And I think, again, like, that's something that's, you can't measure., you know.
tate brown
Mm hmm.
Surge is finding me another chat here.
Is that this one?
This one's a good one.
serge du preez
Yeah, that Bruce Sobolvaro guy.
tate brown
Bruce Sobolvaro.
They edited the crime race profiles of arrested people into non Hispanic and white to boost and drop numbers.
sean fracek
Oh.
Yeah, well, you see like some of these mugshots and Well, and then what Fox had on today, like the numbers, it was insane.
It was like white was down, down, down, down, black was up, up, up, up.
And then 2024 was like white was way up and black was like, what happened?
That typically doesn't happen.
Yeah, like, what happened there?
tate brown
It could be returning to a very traditional view like the founding fathers were like, Franklin viewed anyone that wasn't English as like swarthy.
carter banks
Yeah.
tate brown
Maybe that's what's going on.
Yeah.
Maybe they're just returning to heritage.
sean fracek
Or like at the Post Millennial Reporter, they're just messing around.
I can't swear yet, but messing around with the numbers.
Yeah.
Lying with the cooking the books.
tate brown
Daniel Irving says, parents to prison?
That is dumb.
Unless you give parents 100% control over their children.
sean fracek
A parent should have 100% control of their children at all times.
If they're out there killing people, it's on the parents.
It's the values that they taught them and the fact that they're not supervising them.
It's their fault.
tony ortiz
Or if a child kills a parent.
But do we just jail the child?
Like, is that a way to do it?
sean fracek
Well, both.
But the problem is that you can't because of the way the system is is set up now, the kids can't go to jail for.
tony ortiz
Now we're going to send them to jail then.
sean fracek
Right, right, right.
But I'm saying like to get out and have no parents.
Right.
carter banks
Because they'll be in jail.
libby emmons
But like parents don't, I mean, Sean, you're completely misunderstanding how parenting works.
You don't have control of your child one hundred percent of your time because the entire process of raising a child is going from when they are totally dependent on you to when they are not dependent on you at all.
And that's a process of that's the process of raising your child.
sean fracek
If you raise a child.
libby emmons
If you're like there's a totally different situation between having a, you know, one year old, two year old through like ten years old, you pretty much have control over your child.
But at a certain point, you put your child on the school bus.
They're going to high school.
You do the best you can, and ideally, you've done a great job, right?
You feed your kid, you sit down with your kid every night for dinner, you talk to them all the time, you're in touch with what's going on with them.
sean fracek
I know what's going on.
libby emmons
But yeah, but it's a process of growing your kid up so that they can take care of themselves and be part of the world.
sean fracek
I'm just saying, if you are, if your kid is in a position where they've killed someone or done something horrible to another person, it leads me to believe that the parent has no idea what's going on in that kid's life because you would know, Libby, if your child was like with the maniacal Latin disciples or whatever, I'm sure you would know by now, right?
So like you as the parent should be responsible for like removing them from those situations.
That's all I'm saying.
Like there needs to be more accountability on the parents.
libby emmons
Some parents don't know and they think their kids are great.
carter banks
Some kids are psychopaths and can correct.
sean fracek
Yeah, sure.
carter banks
But thinking like everything's cool.
sean fracek
Okay, that's an exception to the rule then.
Most kids are not smarter than their parents can outsmart them.
tony ortiz
Just cut off their funding.
unidentified
Yeah.
What was that?
tony ortiz
Cut off their benefits.
serge du preez
No money.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
No, I'd say that.
No, I'd say that.
libby emmons
I'd say that.
tony ortiz
Parents cut off their benefits.
libby emmons
Feed them.
unidentified
You know.
sean fracek
What benefits though?
tony ortiz
What if they're taking like snap benefits?
Oh, I'm reading, you know, tax deductions on stuff, whatever.
Just eliminate that.
If a kid commits crimes, it won't stop.
You don't get government benefits anymore.
sean fracek
I'm just saying like not all kids that cre cause crimes are on EBT.
Well, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
sean fracek
Like the parents need to be an active role.
tony ortiz
Like find the boss.
When your kid keeps breaking into cars, you owe the government seven thousand dollars.
sean fracek
That's the issue I have with the Elon statement, because it's like, oh, about, like, oh, having kids, such a good thing, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They keep missing the part of the messaging, hey, when you have a kid, guess what?
Your life is now focused on that kid.
And a lot of parents, especially these days with how hard it is economically, they think, oh, I can have a kid and like, oh, it's going to be fine.
No, no, no.
You need to sacrifice and take care of that kid.
And that means being a part of their life, talking to them, knowing what they're doing.
And if they're in crime and doing all this other stuff, that's on you.
Sororry, it's on you.
tate brown
Omega Rasetsu, just Japanese Rasetsu, I think.
Oh, sorry.
Oh, my bad.
All right.
As an individualist, I cannot agree with this potato in a blue jacket.
If the parents have done everything to prevent criminality, you should not punish the parents because peer pressure exists.
sean fracek
I love this rage bait.
I love it.
It works in high school.
Like if your kids are not going to high school and they're not showing up and they're truants, you know, like the high schools will go after the parents.
Obviously, it's not straight to jail, but like over time, if they're like completely delinquent and they're not showing up and they're doing all these horrible things on the street or whatever, and the parents are not doing anything about it.
tony ortiz
Intimacy court.
sean fracek
Yeah.
Jail.
carter banks
So how many years should the parents go to jail for like a school shooter or something like that?
sean fracek
Ooh, a long time.
carter banks
Like forever?
sean fracek
Maybe.
Like it depends on.
It depends on, like, that's what I'm saying.
tony ortiz
You kind of have to show that you created an environment as a parent or you allowed this to happen.
Like, if you're a parent and your child ends up being a school shooter and you bought the kid the gun, you knew he was suicidal, you knew he was bipolar, and like all the signs were there, then yes, maybe punish the parents.
tate brown
I can see that.
sean fracek
Sidoni's coming around, he's warming up.
tony ortiz
But if, like, you just wake up one day and your kid just, like, totally flips the sc script and maybe does some crazy drugs that causes like then that's all the punishment.
sean fracek
There's only four exceptions.
Yeah, except there are definitely exceptions to the rule.
But if your kids the weirdo kid that like doesn't shower and bathe and sits in the corner and like cries or whatever and you know nothing about it, like there's an onus on you as a parent, right?
And like Tony said, they shouldn't have access to guns if they're crazy.
Like sorry.
carter banks
No, they shouldn't.
tate brown
Eric Shaver says, how do you guys complain about bums asking for money when you get paid through ad fraud inflation to sit around and be word?
You guys are the sh bums.
You like being chastised by homeless people?
Is that the implication?
I mean, I'll send them your way if that's what you want, because you're like mister High and Mighty here.
sean fracek
Oh my God, that's such an uninformed take too.
Like the amount of work and sacrifice Tim has put into this company and the amount of like he's putting 15, 16 hours a day.
This team here working 15, 16 hours a day, working six days a week, seven days coming up.
We got some other things coming up.
Like it never stops here, but it's it's our passion.
We love to do this work.
Libby can talk about it too.
She's up in the morning, six o'clock.
When do you go to bed at six?
seven o'clock.
unidentified
seven.
sean fracek
When do you go to bed?
libby emmons
Like midnight.
sean fracek
Okay.
Most people don't, don't do that, right?
are not doing that right.
So like seven AM to midnight is a lot of work.
So This guy has no idea what he's talking about.
tate brown
Yeah, Eric.
Yeah.
sean fracek
Sorry, Eric.
tate brown
Relax.
Methos 671 says, I hate to say, but I think the front runner is going to be Cory Booker.
sean fracek
Oh, yikes.
libby emmons
Do you think so, Cory Booker?
tate brown
Speaking of potatoes and clothing, geez.
libby emmons
I'm interested to know why you think that for the Democrats.
sean fracek
I mean, I hope you do.
I mean, obviously, but I like, I don't disagree just because like all of the press on the Democrat side, like any livestream I see from the DNC or whatever, always has him in it.
You know, like he really is popular on, but so is what's his face?
Newsom and Newsom.
has a podcast, so.
libby emmons
Yeah, but Newsom has a podcast because he's trying to launch a run for president.
sean fracek
Yeah.
Well, that's what I mean.
Yeah.
So, like, I think that inches him out over Booker just because he has a podcast.
That would be my guess.
tate brown
Is this one good?
serge du preez
Patriot one.
tate brown
Patriot Paladin.
I am 5'7, a Marine and Soldier who OGTed all my skills and picked up a lot of advanced skills and positions before I got my bachelor.
Paper is just an appeal to authority.
Thank you.
I agree.
Hard work beats talent when talent.
sean fracek
What's the phrase?
Hard work, baby.
tate brown
Yeah, so it's like, yeah, well, I mean, you have the talent of having an insane work ethic.
sean fracek
Grind, grind.
tony ortiz
Especially a lot of these American schools, it makes them more lazy and more entitled.
It's just a, it's just like a glorified high school than it is actually learning anything.
Some, of course, some professions, like, I wouldn't want a, I'd want a doctor that has a master's and doctorate degree.
Like, of course, like, but not, you know, not like.
libby emmons
I'll say, like, I went, my high school was really hard, college was less hard, and graduate school was the easiest.
sean fracek
Yeah.
But there is a value to grind, and you have to grind.
Life is all grind.
And it's like, I wonder if that's why it was easier.
libby emmons
I got better at working hard.
sean fracek
Yeah.
Well, find what you're passionate about, because the grind becomes enjoyment and not, you know, like, I've been in the jobs where I hate them.
You know, it's like, you're going in, you're pun going in, you're punching the clock, you know you have to be there eight hours, sometimes you have to be there twelve hours.
I get it, the rat race sucks, but like you have to grind.
And like I just fear we're teaching these kids, like it's like there's nothing you can do, so just give up.
I mean, how many Gen Zers are on the show saying, Nothing ever changes, nothing ever happens.
It's like they're completely numb to anything.
Like, and look at it changed.
Look, you're Tim tonight.
Look at that.
Something changed.
tate brown
Sailor Matoko says there were clerical workers in Haiti that literally couldn't learn how to alphabetize, couldn't even conceptualize it.
So you can't just teach people how to do a job in all cases.
I mean, Afghanistan's exhibit A., like we tried so hard to teach them democracy and they just Yeah, we're not into it.
carter banks
Didn't grind.
tate brown
That's the problem.
Yeah, maybe they just had to work hard into it.
sean fracek
Yeah.
Well, no, it's like you can't.
You can't.
tate brown
Devin H says we have robots that pick strawberries.
Look at Oshii Farm Corp.
in Jersey City.
They pick very soft Japanese strawberries to energy costs is what kills vertical farming.
Yeah, yeah.
I see a lot of, a lot of stories about how energy intensive some of these operations are.
tony ortiz
Plinkers need energy.
tate brown
It's true, dude.
sean fracek
Plinkers.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony ortiz
We're taking our energy.
tate brown
We're taking our energy, dude.
libby emmons
Frack and toasters.
tony ortiz
Frack and toasters.
sean fracek
Oh, no.
There's going to be some bad ones coming out.
You know it.
I'm not even going to try.
tate brown
This one.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
From Millennial Mama.
Millennial Mama says it's always rich.
Always rich, getting parental advice from a bunch of guys who don't have any children.
Not everyone can afford military school.
Some parents are actually doing their best.
I didn't say anything, so I'm absolving myself.
unidentified
Listen, I think the wrong Millennial Mama, you're on something.
sean fracek
Well, Millennial Mama, I think, is taking offense the wrong thing.
Millennial Mama is involved in her children's lives.
Yeah, you're going to speak for the people I'm talking, listen, the people I'm talking about are the people that have no presence in their children.
libby emmons
I apologize on behalf of the blue hoodie over here.
sean fracek
The people that have no presence in their children.
And we disavow, disavow those people.
We could pretend like everyone's a great not the case.
Like there are some people who are more active in their kids' lives and some that aren't.
And typically when you're more active, guess what?
The kids typically do better, right?
That's all I'm saying.
tate brown
Okay.
Well, I think we're I think we're good to rap.
Let's see.
Nine, fifty.
Yeah.
serge du preez
Let's take one more.
tate brown
We'll take one more.
Okay.
serge du preez
I like it because it's Canada.
tate brown
Let's See.
Ooh, this is Canada.
Okay.
Josh, Josh, this one, Josh.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This one.
tate brown
Josh Berg says, I just read a story today about a kid who was born at 22 weeks, but we deport the illegals and we up the cost of abortions to pay for their medical treatment and we fix our population crisis.
sean fracek
Wait, say it one more time.
tate brown
I just read a story today about a kid who was born at 22 weeks, but we deport the illegals and we up the cost of abortions to pay for their medical treatment and we we fix our population crisis.
serge du preez
That was wrong one.
It's okay.
I think I Rumble and this one mixed up.
It's fine.
Oh.
unidentified
Okay.
tate brown
Yeah.
sean fracek
Well, those I missed it.
tony ortiz
I'm confused.
tate brown
That was like a riddle, I think.
I got to sleep on that one to figure out what he meant.
sean fracek
It sounds like it was like maybe offensive, but Join the member show is going to be fun.
People yelling at me about Oh yeah.
How a parent those are going to be fan channels.
tate brown
Yeah.
So we're going to go to the Rumble Uncensored version.
People are going to lay in to Sean, so sign up and be there.
Tony, you want to shout anything out?
tony ortiz
No, I appreciate you having me on.
If you're a Texan watching this, appreciate you following us.
We post just about Texas news.
tate brown
Where can people find you?
tony ortiz
currentrevolt dot com or Twitter.
tate brown
Beautiful, beautiful.
Sean.
sean fracek
Producer Sean, follow us.
Timcast news everywhere.
It's going to be a fun after show.
So like if you're a Rumble member, if you have to subscribe to us on Rumble, you can join that show.
So do that.
tate brown
Sweet.
Carter.
carter banks
Carter Banks, you can follow me everywhere at Carter Banks and also Trash House Records.
We'll have some cool announcements coming soon.
So follow us there.
Libby.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons with the Post Millennial.
You can find me on Twitter and I would love if you subscribe to my newsletter, which is thepostmillennial dot com slash Libby.
I send it out every day, just things I've been thinking about and a bunch of stories.
And also I just want to shout out we have a new sponsor, Newsquiz.io, so you can check that out.
And it's a daily news quiz that is kind of like the New York Times one, except that we source all local, you know, conservative outlets.
So local, national mostly, but sorry.
Yeah, you should check it out.
unidentified
Thanks.
tate brown
And thank you, Timcast viewers, for hanging in there with me.
sean fracek
Great job, Tate.
tate brown
Not across the finish line.
So Tony made it easy.
He's the best.
He's the go.
You can find me at Realtate Brown on X and at RealtatealTape Brown, anywhere you'll find it.
We're going to head to that Rumble Uncensored Live show.
Thank you for watching.
We'll be back tomorrow.
See you later.
unidentified
See you later.
See you later.
tate brown
Howdy, howdy, howdy.
Welcome back.
We're here behind the paywall, I guess you could say.
Anyway, it's going to get wacky and wild.
It's uncensored.
We're going to let it fly.
It is going to be determined.
Sean's probably going to be in the driver's seat for that.
But we wanted to talk about this is a story we didn't get to get to.
It's pretty, it's everywhere.
You've probably seen it.
South Park is parodying American politics and JD Vance and Charlie Kirk are actually embracing it.
They're pretty hyped up.
JD Vance, obviously we saw the Welcome to Mara Lago post.
JD Vance says, well, I finally made it.
And here we go, Libby Emmons.
Charlie Kirk says, first of all, I just think it's hilarious.
And secondly, the whole thing is so like, so a campus thing.
I've been doing it for thirteen years to debate college kids.
Now it gets prominent prime time placement on Comedy Central.
I think the whole thing is just awesome.
libby emmons
Yeah, we should watch his clip.
tate brown
Let's watch the clip.
libby emmons
I loved the joy that it gave.
She just shut it, baby.
unidentified
You just hate America, you love abortions.
It's the stupidest haircut I've ever seen.
sean fracek
Oh, so it was a little delayed there.
unidentified
First of all, I just think it's hilarious.
And second, the whole thing is like, wait.
Wait, so a campus thing I've been doing for thirteen years to debate random college kids has now been so important that it gets prominent prime time placement on Comedy Central.
I think the whole thing is just awesome.
tony ortiz
I think it's great too.
And leaning into it is obviously the answer, but also like that's the correct lean in as well.
Because it's like, yeah, it's funny.
libby emmons
It is, yeah.
tony ortiz
It's super funny.
And yeah, I don't know.
sean fracek
It's the best strategy for Kirk, for Vance is to own it.
This is what the Mormons did when the Book of Mormon came out.
The Mormons were actually running ads in the playbill.
You know what I mean?
Like they were actually advertising on it.
It absolutely is what it is, but I do agree.
with Tim.
Like, I do think South Park is being very like the creators.
Their heart isn't in it anymore.
They're just not motivated.
They're not hungry.
tony ortiz
That's low effort.
sean fracek
This is low hanging fruit.
Like, it's not creative.
And it's they said it wasn't going to be about Trump at all.
And like, it's like, first two shows now about Trump.
So it's like, right.
libby emmons
Where's the creativity?
I thought that some of it was pretty funny.
I have to say, like, my biggest laugh, because I watched the show last night and I was pulling clips for post millennials.
Because sometimes that's what you do when you're the boss.
You just do.
Well, you just know, my favorite part was JD Vance as Tattoo from Fantasy Island.
That's what that was.
Do you guys, does anyone remember Fantasy Island?
sean fracek
Yeah, I remember Tattoo and the Midget.
libby emmons
Fantasy Island was this old show and it had Ricardo Mondelbahn playing the plane, the plane.
unidentified
mister Lorke and it had Tattoo going, the plane, boss, the plane, the plane.
libby emmons
And so JD Vance walks out, you know, as Tattoo.
I kinda did die.
tony ortiz
But the zoomers and the, like, younger millennials won't get that.
unidentified
No, but like, like, the point, like, the point is that it's okay.
libby emmons
I mean, people like my age have been watching South Park since it came out.
You know, I definitely haven't been watchinging it the whole time.
What I'm saying is I thought that was so funny and I loved how Charlie Kirk leaned into it.
He leaned into it when the trailer dropped.
And I thought like he changed his profile picture.
He changed his profile picture.
And I thought that's the way to do it.
Like, love it.
Because that's the way to do it.
That means is Charlie is, and this whole movement is so at the forefront of what's going on in culture that they need to spoof it.
sean fracek
I mean, I agree with you there, but that's the way to do it.
I do think they did the right job by leaning in.
But what I'm saying is the left is saying any criticism of this.
It's like, oh, you guys are making, you know, oh, you're so mad, mad conservatives or whatever.
When it's like, no, they could have done so many better plot lines.
They could have done so many better.
things.
libby emmons
But what I'm saying is This is season 27.
carter banks
What I'm saying is When they got to Mar a Lago.
sean fracek
What I was saying earlier though is they're literally just copying the playbook that MAGA put that's all I'm saying.
It's like they don't have an original idea.
They're literally just copying.
libby emmons
Well, isn't that kind of what's been going on in this kind of satirical comedy for a long time?
Like reality is so They didn't do it with Joe Biden?
It's so ridiculous that you almost can't spoof it.
sean fracek
They didn't do it with Joe Biden.
libby emmons
Yeah, they did it with Joe Biden.
They didn't do it with Joe Biden.
sean fracek
I'm just saying.
What they did though, they're playing the same MAGA card that we're playing.
They're just, they're changing it.
They're using the same playbook.
carter banks
They had way better episodes though, because I I used this, uh, of this one episode where they were tearing down a Christopher Columbus statue in the audition tape I made and I laid it over real life during 2020 and they called it before it happened.
So they used to be on the ball and they used to be funny.
Yeah.
tony ortiz
They would turn around episodes like within four hours.
They were like the That's what made them interesting is like they were at the bleeding edge of comedy becoming an issue.
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