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phil labonte
Today, a U.S. House panel has subpoenaed Bill and Hillary Clinton for Epstein testimony.
Now, the House Oversight Committee has also issued subpoenas to several former attorneys general and FBI directors, so we'll get into that.
Elon Musk and Donald Trump both have called for federalizeding the police in Washington, DC after a member of the Doge team was beaten up for defending a young woman who was being assaulted by a group of young men.
So we'll get into that.
AG Paxton from Texas has asked a judge to vacate seats of Democratic lawmakers who fled the state over the redistricting vote.
If you remember, we covered this a little bit last night.
So there's some development in that.
There's some breaking news about Senator Adam Shift who's under criminal investigation now for mortgage fraud.
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dave landau
Hey, how are you?
phil labonte
Hello Dave, who are you and what do you do?
dave landau
I'm a comedian.
phil labonte
Also, I buy it.
dave landau
Thank you.
You're welcome.
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phil labonte
Awesome, thank you for coming, Andrew.
dave landau
Yes.
I'm excited to talk about a lot of things coming.
phil labonte
Tate is here.
tate brown
I'm here, yeah.
The producer, Tate Brown.
So I've done a lot of introductions today.
phil labonte
Izzy today, right?
dave landau
right?
tate brown
Busy, yeah, it's wild.
phil labonte
The morning show, and then you were over at PCC.
tate brown
Oh yeah, the wage cage, as they call it.
It's really, I love it.
It's fun.
So it's good to see everyone again.
Excited to be here.
phil labonte
Ilad is here.
elad eliahu
Good evening, everyone.
I am Ilad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast.
Let's get into the news.
phil labonte
Our resident illegal wrestler, right?
elad eliahu
Resident a lot of things, but.
dave landau
You got a good mustache.
elad eliahu
Thank you.
I was actually I thought it was a little too short and I've been a little self conscious about it.
dave landau
You shouldn't be.
elad eliahu
Good.
dave landau
You keep it.
phil labonte
It's very Bolton-esque.
dave landau
I like it.
No, I had one for years.
I kept thinking about regrowing it, so I was looking at it a little jealous.
phil labonte
I think you should.
dave landau
I'm going to regrow it.
phil labonte
I'm actually bringing the full beard back, I think, for the fun.
We'll see.
We'll see how it goes.
dave landau
As a half Italian, someone was just talking about Dago culture.
phil labonte
Can you believe the vulgarity?
dave landau
So I we were talking about the Rizzler.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
And how he's bringing it back.
tate brown
He's bringing it back.
dave landau
He's a nine year old boy.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
Bringing back the Sopranos.
tate brown
Water pressure on his little chubby shoulders.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
If any, if anyone can do it, the Rizzler can.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
He can.
Three mobile phones, that kid.
phil labonte
That's right.
Okay.
So from the Guardian, US House panel subpoenas Bill and Hillary Clinton for Epstein testimony.
House oversight committee also issued subpoenas to several former attorneys, general and FBI directors.
House oversight committee on the 10th of September.
The House Oversight Committee on Tuesday issued subpoenas to Bill and Hillary Clinton as well as several former attorneys general and directors of the FBI demanding testimony related to horrific crimes perpetrated by Jeffrey Epstein.
The investigative committee's Republican chair James Comer sent the subpoenas in response to two motions lawmakers approved on a bipartisan basis last month.
As Congress navigated outrage among Donald Trump supporters over the Justice Department's announcement that it would not release further details about Epstein, a disgraced financier who died in 2019 while awaiting trial for sex trafficking.
Died.
Yeah, allegedly.
The subpoenas raised the possibility that more people more More details will come public about Trump's relationship with Epstein, which stretched for years but appeared to have peetered out by the time Epstein was convicted of sexually abusing girls in 2008.
Last month, the Wall Street Journal reported on the existence of sexually suggestive sketch and lewd letters sent, Trump sent to Epstein as a fiftieth birthday gift in 2003.
Does this seem like it's going anywhere, gentlemen?
dave landau
Well, we all have wonderful secrets.
phil labonte
Very wonderful.
I think honestly, special secrets, right?
dave landau
I think Bill has to take, what's he going to say under oath?
I mean, he's lied under oath before about similar things.
Yeah.
Except it was a legal of age Husky intern.
But this time.
phil labonte
Who's actually aged very well.
Have you seen new picture?
Recent picture?
dave landau
She's gotten better with age.
phil labonte
She looks great.
dave landau
She's like a fine wine.
phil labonte
Good on you, Monica Lewis.
dave landau
Yeah, good on her.
unidentified
Not on Yeah, the opposite of right.
phil labonte
When the on you came out, I was like, Oh, we got a joke here.
dave landau
Yes, yeah.
All over her.
She's a Yeah, but I I mean, if they have to actually pull out what, phone records or some kind of records that he has to be honest about, there's no doubt he's on the list.
The only thing that would shock anyone is if he wasn't.
phil labonte
Right.
dave landau
Even his own wife would be like, Wow, really really?
You weren't?
Everyone knows he is, right?
phil labonte
Hillary would be like, I feel bad for hitting you all those times.
dave landau
I know, right?
Like, I thought it was just the one girl.
Wow.
We're all amazed.
phil labonte
But I mean, I don't, I don't imagine that Bill and Hillary Clinton are going to reveal any information that isn't already known.
dave landau
No, we all know he likes to have sex with people that are not his wife.
I mean, but in fairness, have you seen his wife?
phil labonte
I wouldn't want to have sex with his wife.
dave landau
No, no one would.
I don't think men, anyone would.
Look at those, the big Maxwell House can get crazy.
elad eliahu
I don't think I'm doing myself any favor here, but I will say.
Back in the day, Hillary Clinton wasn't the worst looking woman.
phil labonte
You're not doing yourself a favor.
dave landau
You're saying when she was Epstein Island age?
No, back in the day.
elad eliahu
There was this one photo of her college.
Yeah, yeah, back in the day.
dave landau
Oh, no, you're right.
Her college photos are pretty good.
elad eliahu
Is she kind of You know which one I'm talking about?
dave landau
I do.
She's on the lawn with her glasses.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
tate brown
Here I am.
elad eliahu
Search, can you pull that up?
dave landau
Yeah.
tate brown
Pull it up, please.
dave landau
You're not.
tate brown
Pull up hot Hillary Clinton, please.
phil labonte
Search, come on.
dave landau
Disavow.
Yeah.
There's probably not a lot of hot Hillary Clinton.
There's probably just the one.
Google shouldn't show you one picture.
Or it's just her in hell.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Pull it up.
elad eliahu
I'm telling you, there's just one.
She looks relatively good.
phil labonte
Google Hot Hillary Clinton and see what comes up.
dave landau
Put moderately attractive Hillary.
elad eliahu
I hate when people pretend that there are no hot liberal women.
dave landau
I hate that.
Oh, there's hot liberal.
phil labonte
I hate that.
elad eliahu
There's many hot liberal women.
tate brown
There's at least like twelve.
dave landau
Of course.
We thought Sidney's Oh, yeah, black and white.
elad eliahu
I don't remember it being black and white.
No, to the right, that one.
Yeah, that one.
dave landau
That's more.
elad eliahu
That's a little bit older, but the one to the right was Okay, you don't have to pull the Time article.
Oh, no, no.
dave landau
Keep scrolling down.
That looks like she's just a troll in a horror movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
Holly.
phil labonte
She looks like an extra from This is the one with the glasses.
dave landau
I don't like it.
tate brown
Bell, we're supposed to go to the island.
elad eliahu
I'm the one next to this on the ground.
tate brown
We're going to miss our flight, Bell.
unidentified
Sorry.
dave landau
I like women, but I can't tell people in this time.
phil labonte
Up to that point, I thought that after the Bill and Monica Lewinsky thing, I thought she swore off men.
I kind of got that vibe.
I don't know.
dave landau
I thought she swore off men before it.
phil labonte
That's why.
dave landau
Yeah.
phil labonte
Monica, okay, fair.
dave landau
You can't own that many suits and be into men.
phil labonte
Pants suits are Yeah.
Okay, they're like the Subaru for the ultra wealthy.
dave landau
They certainly are.
tate brown
Okay.
elad eliahu
No, her and her staff have always had a lot of trouble with men.
Huma Abedine also went through who was it?
Anthony Weiner in that whole affair.
phil labonte
Now Huma Abedine is with Soros.
elad eliahu
Soros junior Alex Soros and are probably power players, frankly, in the Democratic Party.
dave landau
And we all know Anthony.
phil labonte
Obviously.
dave landau
Anthony Weiner loves adult women.
We all know that.
elad eliahu
You know, you could blame Anthony Weiner for helping contribute to Trump's first election win because he, something with his emails or the case was reopened in him because of some more allegations that came out against him.
I'd need to review the exact story, but he helped give more credence and evidence or give more reason to investigate further into the email scandal.
Didn't do her any favors.
tate brown
So.
phil labonte
No.
But I mean, so anyway, back to the Epstein stuff.
I don't see how this, the Bill and Hillary Clinton are going to make a difference.
I certainly am not going to, you know, trust anything Bill says.
dave landau
The hot picture, it's not working.
phil labonte
No, that's definitely not the hot.
But, but, but, but, but, but if they're, they don't list who the Attorneys General and FBI directors are, but that might actually produce something that's, you know, worth discussing, you know?
dave landau
Yeah, evidently this Epstein guy had some sex trafficking going on.
phil labonte
Apparently.
dave landau
Who do you think is the most hilarious photo taken on Epstein Island so far that has been leaked?
Well, I mean, the Stephen Hawking, right?
phil labonte
I haven't seen I haven't seen the Stephen Hawking.
dave landau
Oh, look it up.
Stephen Hawking on Epstein Island is hilarious.
phil labonte
That's so funny.
dave landau
There's like two girls holding daikires.
Clearly he's not drinking them.
That guy can't swallow.
He talks with his.
It's so funny.
tate brown
Bring me another drink.
dave landau
Yeah, I'm thirsty.
Can they do?
tate brown
You look up hot Stephen Hawking?
elad eliahu
I've been with Elsa back in the day.
phil labonte
Where is it?
Where is it?
dave landau
Yeah, there's got Oh, there it is.
phil labonte
There it is.
dave landau
He's having the time with it.
phil labonte
Over on the top left, top left, right there.
dave landau
Look at that.
phil labonte
Yeah, he's having the time.
tate brown
On autopilot.
dave landau
I mean, I don't think he went to the island.
I think he was brought.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
I mean, yeah.
elad eliahu
Look, here's the thing though.
Back in the day, if you were anyone, you got the invitation to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein in this cool little billionaire's club with Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Stephen Hawkings.
dave landau
Yeah.
tate brown
The FOMO had to be crazy.
dave landau
Kevin Spacey who got there and was like, There's not even any male waiters.
That's why he went home.
phil labonte
Spacey's like, I'm going home.
dave landau
He just like, Turn this plan around.
elad eliahu
You know, I hear nothing sticking to that guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
Not a thing.
phil labonte
Oh yeah, nothing.
I'm nothing.
elad eliahu
At least none of the cases.
tate brown
No, no.
dave landau
I love that he's like, I of course.
phil labonte
Because there weren't all underage girls there.
It's like, what do you care?
dave landau
It's not a little boy island, Kevin.
Nobody thinks you're guilty.
phil labonte
If there was like a Disney World list, I mean, you'd be in trouble.
dave landau
Yeah.
If there was a Hollywood list.
phil labonte
Yeah, right?
If there was just a Hailey Joel Osborn looking like, how many young men have you taken to Disneyland after a long day on set?
dave landau
I have no idea if it's true, but there's a story of him and Liam Nason.
Oh, wow.
a kid on the set and he's like, yeah, we can go back up to my room and study lines.
And Kevin Spacey goes to the bathroom and immediately Liam Neeson's like, Don't go up to his room.
Whatever you do.
Don't do it.
phil labonte
Oh yeah.
I mean, you know, you and you know, you want to like Liam Neeson, don't you?
Like, yeah.
Kind of want you're like, Man, I hope he's a good guy.
dave landau
I haven't gotten the role in Taken.
phil labonte
He actually, the director overheard him saying, he's like, That's the guy.
unidentified
That's the guy.
dave landau
You know, he's in his fifties, but he just saved that kid.
I think he could be an action star.
unidentified
I agree.
phil labonte
I agree.
Sorry.
I agree.
Yeah, so I don't think there's a whole lot more to say about the whole Epstein stuff.
dave landau
But I think he's right.
If I mean, if you were anyone, Chris Tucker we saw on the plane.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I don't know.
I never I never actually looked into the list, but I mean, I'm aware that there was like a lot of power players and, and, and, you know, if you were anyone, it was, it was thought of like, you want to be around those people, which is part of the reason why I think that there's a lot of people that don't, A lot of people in positions of power, they don't want the list to come out because back then no one knew what Epstein was up to or ostensibly no one knew what Epstein was up to.
And they were like, well, you know, I want to go hang out with those people.
And if you're in that kind of, you know, I guess if your bank account is that big, those people tend to just hang out with each other and be around each other because that's the thing to do.
um there's a lot of people that are just like oh i don't want this to come out because it's gonna me and and people automatically assume oh you were on the list or you were at went to the island so you automatically must have done nefarious things and while you know it's not great to be in his company, especially nowadays to look back.
It's like, it's, it makes sense for people that if they didn't do anything to be, you know, Dershowitz is another is one that's like, yes.
Whether or not he actually did.
Yeah, he's me.
Sorry.
dave landau
He's like, I'm just the lawyer for the past.
phil labonte
Yeah, exactly.
And that's like, that's Dershowitz's MO.
He's like, who's the scummiest guy?
I'm going to find him and defend him.
And I guess if you do that, you know, your people are going to assume things about you.
unidentified
Sure.
phil labonte
You get used to it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
Well, and he's also, you're going to get flight logs.
You're not going to get like what they liked.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know what I mean?
It's not like you're not getting a menu.
Yeah.
dave landau
Yeah, you're not going to get Janet thirteen with Bill Clinton Broom Closet at four.
phil labonte
It's not like Yelp reviews, so I'm going to get it.
dave landau
Two stars.
She didn't even pretend she liked it.
Yeah, there's nothing you're going to get like Yeah, so it's no matter what comes out, it's always going to be an assumption, right?
phil labonte
Apparently not.
Okay, so I mean, I don't really have a whole lot more to add to the Epstein story, so why don't we move on to this next story here.
New York, I'm sorry, Washington DC apparently is a nightmare.
Donald Trump tweeted the other day, I believe this was today.
Crime in Washington DC is totally out of control.
Local youths and gang members, some only fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen years old, are randomly attacking, mugging, maiming, and shooting innocent citizens at the same time, knowing that they will be almost immediately released.
They're not afraid of law enforcement because they know that nothing ever happens to them, but it's going to happen now.
The law in DC must be changed to prosecute these minors as adults and lock them up for a long time starting at age fourteen.
The most recent victim was beaten mercilessly by local thugs.
Washington, DC must be safe, clean, and beautiful for all Americans, and importantly for the world to see.
If DC doesn't get its act together and quickly, we will have no choice but to take federal control of the city and run this city how it should be run, and put criminals on notice that they're not going to get away with it anymore.
Perhaps it should have been done a long time ago, then this incredible young man and so many others would not have had to go through the horrors of violent crime.
If this continues, I am going to exert my powers and federalize the city, make America great again.
And then Elon Musk retweeted Donald Trump's truth.
A few days ago, a gang of about a dozen young men tried to assault a woman in her car at night in DC.
saw what was happening, ran to defend her and was severely beaten to the point of concussion, but saved her life, it's time to federalize DC.
Look, everyone knows that DC has been an absolute madhouse when it comes to crime for a long time.
You can go to certain areas and you're pretty safe, but that's because those places are where congress people are frequenting, where staff are frequenting.
But if you go just a couple blocks the wrong direction, you're likely to get beaten or mugged or whatever.
I don't know that federalizing is actually the proper role, but if the municipality won't handle it, maybe the federal government should step in.
dave landau
Yeah, you don't want Paul Pelosi to get another headhammer.
phil labonte
Well, that happened in San Francisco, but still.
dave landau
Yeah, well, I mean, he goes into the wrong neighborhoods for different things.
phil labonte
He does.
dave landau
Usually.
But it's not gay sex.
What?
Too much?
phil labonte
No, not at all.
dave landau
No, I mean, I'm just making assumptions, of course.
unidentified
Of course.
dave landau
Yeah, I don't think the matter.
phil labonte
But there's nothing wrong with pontificating.
dave landau
There's nothing wrong with it.
No, I'm just guessing that Tryon would buy a male escort from a school bus.
Yeah, this sounds horrible.
I'm from Detroit.
unidentified
Oh.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
So I can't imagine this kind of crimes as light work.
dave landau
In a major city.
I don't know if federalizing is a very good idea, to be honest.
I also don't think prosecuting all minors as adults as first time offenders is a very good idea, if I'm being honest.
phil labonte
I mean, I understand what you're saying, but right now the MO is the young kids are the ones that are sent out to commit the crime because the older gang bangers know that they don't get treated like adults.
dave landau
If it's killing, they should extend the sentence, but I don't think that it's something that should just be, I understand like the cusp of seventeen, a lot of them are doing that, and then they're also bragging in court that they're not going to get in trouble for it.
So I think they should extend the sentence, obviously., but I don't I don't think that giving them no chance at all at the age of fourteen is wise either.
phil labonte
Okay.
dave landau
What's your personal opinion?
phil labonte
What do you think a lot?
You're fairly the law is the law kind of dude.
elad eliahu
So me, Serge, and Tate actually witnessed these YNs firsthand the other weekend in Washington, DC.
And it's actually extremely odd.
It's a group of like twenty, thirty, some odd very young kids.
Like you could tell in their faces.
Nobody's probably above the age of seventeen.
As young as maybe even thirteen and fourteen, being followed by like three or four different police cars and they're just running around the streets., throwing things and yelling.
I guess some groups may be more aggressive than others.
Obviously, assaulting someone is messed up and you should go to jail as a result of that.
But again, I don't know.
At the age of fourteen, it might be a little young to be trying to charge people as adults.
And I haven't heard as many of the cases of them murdering people, but if you murder someone, I think you should be charged as an adult for that crime in particular.
phil labonte
I don't know what the murder rate is in DC, but I know there was a time recently in the past ten or so years where DC was the murder capital of the United States.
dave landau
You're darn tooting.
phil labonte
Yeah, so I mean this is 190.
dave landau
That's a lot.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, and the problem with crime in cities like DC and New York and Boston as well is the tolerance for crime is far lower because it's like a very walkable city.
So you're actually interacting with these points where crime will occur much more.
phil labonte
So if the crime is lower?
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
So like in, like, if you live like Memphis or Detroit, the tolerance for crime is much higher because you can just drive past it on your way to work and back to your house.
You're not actually interacting with the criminal aspect as much.
But yeah, if you're somewhere like DC, you have to walk down the street, you have to take the subway, you have to do this, that and the other.
So your actual sense of crime, even though because leftists will always be like, well, if you compare it to like Jackson, Mississippi, and it's like, well, yeah, but in Jackson you don't ever see it.
You're just going to Kroger and back.
Where in DC you're walking around, you're going to bars, you're taking the train.
So you're going to interact with it a lot more, and it's much more unacceptable for a high amount of crime.
phil labonte
I would be remiss if I didn't bring up the fact that the Second Amendment is basically non existent in Washington, DC.
So restoration of the rights of the American people might be a deterrent to criminals in the district.
But I know that the members of Congress and the port staff around them are all, or generally, not particularly fond of that idea.
dave landau
idea, but I think that's where the Ted Nugent rule comes in.
Just have the Second Amendment and don't listen to the state.
phil labonte
I personally agree with that too.
dave landau
Yeah, I think you should just be allowed to carry a firearm to protect yourself.
That's I'm not going to say that's what I do.
No.
Maybe they took it from me before I got on the plane today.
They didn't take my wooden one.
And that's I learned that from John Melkovich in the line of fire.
You just make a wooden one.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
And then.
into any stadium.
phil labonte
All right.
dave landau
These are facts.
elad eliahu
So I feel like for the past, I don't know, 40, 50 years in our country, we have been seeing groups of quote unquote youth, which is a funny euphemism to use here.
I think we all know exact what we're talking about, but we need to use this stupid young feature.
We're talking about black teens.
We're talking about black teens running around usually in cities and committing different types of crimes.
I think we saw in Cincinnati the other weekend where there were just random adults assaulted.
Maybe they might have yelled at each other, but it resulted in multiple different assaults.
And it's interesting when we choose to pay more attention to them.
And what we're going to do about that, you know, is up to the government and we'll see.
But I feel like these are always happening in the background every so often.
And sometimes it's only a local news story.
And then sometimes the president decides to truth social about it and make it a national news story.
But like these assaults are happening throughout our country all the time.
And it's just interesting when we decide to make it national news instead of what do you think the world news?
phil labonte
The factor is.
What do you think it is that makes it?
elad eliahu
You know, crime, socioeconomic factors.
phil labonte
What is it?
What is it that makes it make it make it become a national story?
tate brown
Well, sometimes it's just so shocking you can't then.
elad eliahu
Well, the media.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
That's who it is.
That's what decides.
Literally only the media.
And like if the races were portrayed in the right way for most of the media to decide to pick it up and like put it up the chain of command, then that's what goes.
And it's a national news story because the president decided to talk about it now.
And it's going to go as far as, you know.
phil labonte
For this one, yeah.
But when it comes to the one that you mentioned in Cincinnati, that was trying to be subpoena.
That was actually, it was a fairly grassroots kind of thing because the media and the municipality was trying to suppress the story.
They didn't want it to get out.
They didn't want it to get out.
dave landau
Did a white guy though knock out the woman?
phil labonte
I don't know.
dave landau
I believe a white guy did knock out the woman, but then black people were piling on and kicking the guy at the jail.
tate brown
I think he shoved her, yeah.
dave landau
Yeah, but then black people were also pulling people off of, you know, the guy.
It was a group thing where a lot of people were involved.
So depending on what site you were watching, it was white versus black, but then there was the reality of a lot of people trying to help and a lot of people were not.
elad eliahu
Wasn't it allegedly because someone called another person the end slur?
dave landau
Supposedly, but I don't even know if that's what it was.
phil labonte
Yeah, I've heard I've heard people make that argument, but I believe if you watch the video, the attack had initiated and then the dreaded end slur was uttered.
elad eliahu
Not that name calling should justify violence.
phil labonte
Absolutely not.
I think that's the most ridiculous argument that people make is, oh, well, you know, they had it coming..
Or the idea that, like, oh, well, you know, there are consequences for things you say.
I mean, sure, but jail is a consequence for that kind of thing.
elad eliahu
You know, I get told that often.
dave landau
If you're in a heated argument with someone, it's probably best not to use it at a jazz festival.
I've always said that.
If you're at a Wu Tang concert, let's say, and someone's angry at you, perhaps you don't yell that at them.
Yeah, I there will be a concert.
phil labonte
Yeah, I do.
dave landau
And I'm not saying that you can argue that it's right or wrong and that someone's not allowed, but you will get your ass kicked for lack of a better term.
And I'm not saying that what happened to her was horrible.
What happened to that guy was horrible.
But to just go, okay., it was entirely they want that to be the division, that's my problem with it all.
They want them to go, okay, it was black versus white.
That's not the case.
It was different people going at each other and other people were helping other people.
elad eliahu
Well, you recognize that this story probably only got so much gasoline into it because of the racial projection on the story.
dave landau
Absolutely.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
tate brown
But also like with, I mean, with this DC story specifically, it's like, I hate to be that guy, but if the roles were reversed, if there was like a mob of fifty white teens and they beat up a black guy, I mean, we'd be in camps right now.
unidentified
It would be like, yeah.
phil labonte
It just doesn't happen.
tate brown
Exactly.
dave landau
So it's like, no matter how hard I train them.
elad eliahu
Also this was, did we mention it because it happened to an alleged Doge employee and I don't know.
tate brown
It happened to Big Balls.
elad eliahu
Big Balls.
Big Balls.
dave landau
Tate, is that him?
elad eliahu
Tell me more about this guy.
phil labonte
Big Balls.
That's people alleged to be.
I don't, I don't think we're going to share the picture because we don't have confirmation of who it is.
dave landau
I got you.
elad eliahu
But it's from the rapid response.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, it's all right.
Yeah.
tate brown
Those other people allegedly it's big balls.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
He's a big player.
phil labonte
If you want to look, if you want, I mean, just go to X and look for the story and there's plenty of pictures and there's comparisons of who big balls, you know, what big balls looked like when he was, you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Be careful going on X and typing in big balls, but I'm pretty sure you'll find it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
Just go to Google and type in big balls.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Or lemon party.
dave landau
Yeah.
phil labonte
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
dave landau
Go to X hamster.?
elad eliahu
Bloodied big balls.
dave landau
Bloodied big balls.
phil labonte
He's bloody.
dave landau
Yeah, he's Yeah, he's wounded.
tate brown
So black teens rough up big balls.
dave landau
Black and blue big balls.
phil labonte
Black teens rough up big balls.
You shouldn't google any of these things.
tate brown
No, but you know, do it on your work computer.
dave landau
Yeah, sure.
unidentified
Just put black big balls on your work computer.
tate brown
Angry, violent black people attack big balls.
dave landau
Do it during a prison time.
tate brown
Library tomorrow.
dave landau
Full volume.
phil labonte
Perfect.
This sounds great.
This will do wonderful things.
tate brown
Love the news.
phil labonte
All right.
So I'm not even sure how we got to this from we're talking about, oh, we're talking about the attack.
Truth.
So we need to talk about, we're going to go ahead and change to this story from the post-millennial Texas AG Ken Paxton to ask judge to vacate seats of Dem lawmakers who fled state over redistricting vote.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton will seek judicial orders to remove Texas state legislators who have fled the state in an attempt to block a congressional redistricting vote taking place in the state legislature.
The lawmakers have until august eighth to return to the state and to perform their duties in the legislature before Paxson requests the order.
Attorney General Ken Paxson has announced that the continued refusal to perform legislative duties by Texas House Democrats who broke quorum constitutes abandonment of office and that he will pursue a court ruling ensuring that their seats are declared vacant.
Speaker of the House Dustin Burrows has given members until Friday, august eighth to return to Texas and present themselves before the House.
Any lawmaker who has not been arrested and returned or fails to appear by the Speaker's deadline will be subject to aggressive legal action by Attorney General Paxton, a news release from Paxton's office says.
So I've learned that apparently this is actually felony.
So these are these are felony.
They could face felony charges for for vacating and preventing the continuation of official business.
elad eliahu
Is that true?
I read that there was just a fine.
dave landau
I've got a fine.
So they could end up in a 500 day with some teens.
phil labonte
Hopefully not.
elad eliahu
I don't suspect that's what's going to happen, but I think the crux of the issue here is whether or not gerrymandering is kosher.
Dave, gerrymandering cool or not?
phil labonte
It's the norm since the fourth president of the United States.
dave landau
I'm going to say that they should, yeah, I think they should have to come back and face it.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, they should have to come back and actually do their job.
dave landau
I agree.
phil labonte
The question as to whether or not, you know, gerrymandering is acceptable, this is just the state of affairs today and it's been that way since James Madison.
unidentified
Right.
phil labonte
His vice president was vice president Jerry.
And the name gerrymandering comes from that.
So whether or not it's okay, I don't know.
I think that's kind of.
tate brown
It doesn't even matter.
elad eliahu
No, it does matter.
And I'll tell you why.
It's because not all the states are fully gerrymandering.
And Democrats have actually put different guardrails in place to not allow them to gerrymander certain states.
So Tate, I know you're from New York, but you may not know much about the politics there.
But in New York, right?
The Democrats did want to gerrymander, but their maps got throwed out by the courts there because they had certain laws that didn't allow them to gerrymander to the nth degree.
Eventually gerrymandering is bad for a country.
Like the way to the big brain solution here is obviously having somebody non biased and impartial on top kind of ruling top down, trying to make as many fair districts and rub the least amount of people the wrong way.
But I don't know if we just see this, both sides are just going to to try to gerrymandering their districts more and more aggressively.
Both sides are obviously guilty of this, so I don't really know where that's going to leave us.
The Democrats here are just trying their best to prevent it.
If this is a band-aid solution for them, these Texas Democrats are not going to be able to actually prevent the Republicans from gerrymandering Texas.
It's only a matter of time.
tate brown
Even with these commissions like you're talking about, are like in California, they can just special election around it if they really want to.
So it's like, okay, it's nice that it's put in place, but if push really came to shove, New York, California, they'll just circumvent it.
phil labonte
And on a special election, if you were to say, okay, gerrymandering is illegal, what's the solution?
How do you break up the districts now then.
elad eliahu
There are different people with different theories on how to do this without having swiggy lines that go in circles.
Like, I don't think that's the problem.
I think it's the political will to do so, which neither side is going to see.
And like, it's escalating, right?
One side's doing it, then the other side's going to want to do it more.
And then they're going to both point fingers at.
phil labonte
Well, part of the reason that the Democrats are having such a problem with this is because the Democrats have kind of like squeezed all the juice, right?
Like there's not a whole lot more they can do.
There's juice in there.
There are multiple.
dave landau
Yes, there is.
phil labonte
How many, how many Jews?
elad eliahu
A ton.
How many second largest Jews by unpopulation?
phil labonte
We're not talking about Jews.
We're talking about outside of Israel.
elad eliahu
Oh.
phil labonte
We're talking about they've gotten all of the made all the gerrymandering they can they can do.
dave landau
It's not going to go.
elad eliahu
I thought they squeeze.
dave landau
There's a lot of Jews there though.
There's a lot of there's nothing wrong with that.
elad eliahu
Squeezing more.
tate brown
Yeah.
I love Jews.
phil labonte
So like some, a state like, you know, Massachusetts.
dave landau
No, no, no.
phil labonte
There's something like 45, 40 percent of the state is conservative and there's zero representatives.
There's zero representation for the conservatives.
And that, that's a situation in the same, the same situation in Illinois.
There's like, you know, 40 percent of the state is Republican and there's no representation at all.
tate brown
It's 14 to 3 and it's a six point spread in Illinois.
phil labonte
But if you have each state, it's insane.
dave landau
If Blue or Red takes legal action on each one, wouldn't that just affect the other state to want to do it more?
phil labonte
But that might escalate.
dave landau
I think that's the problem.
phil labonte
That was the point that I was making.
The reason the Democrats have a problem is because there's not much more they can do.
dave landau
Right.
phil labonte
They don't have the ability to actually gerrymandering and get more representation out of most states.
There's nothing left they can do.
They've really maximized the gerrymandering that's possible.
So the reason that they have such a problem with this is because they don't have the ability to just fight back and say, well, gerrymandering and et cetera.
There's talk of it in New York.
There's talk of it in California, but there isn't much that is actually possible for them to do.
They can do a little bit around the edges, but they're not going to get the same kind of effects that the Republicans could get because the Democrats have been so successful at gerrymandering nationwide.
So it's like, sure, there are places where they can get some, but the Republicans actually stand to benefit the most by doing things like redistricting halfway through the time limit they normally do it because it's normally done after every census.
So it's normally done every, every ten years.
This is halfway through.
There is an argument.
that it's a good thing to do because of all the demographic changes, because of one, all the illegal immigrants that have come in, but also because of all the people that have moved from California to other states, to Texas, to Florida and stuff.
So Texas is doing it, a big part of the reason is because of the illegal immigration and because of the.
dave landau
In Texas?
phil labonte
Yes, it's been known to happen.
We do, right?
dave landau
I lived there, I haven't seen it, but go on.
phil labonte
Okay, but yeah, so that's the argument that they're making is, you know, this is why it's a legitimate Sure, no, I get it.
effort.
elad eliahu
And the way they gerrymandered the new seats in Texas was such that all the districts were now roughly a Trump 60, a district where Trump won 60 percent of the vote.
So like some the congress people would usually disagree with gerrymandering because they don't want their districts fudged with where they run and they don't want to be diluted.
But that's how they kind of appeased the Texas Republicans.
I suspect Democrats will do something, call me a genius.
I don't know, but I suspect Democrats down the line will try to do something similar to this that Republicans may not like.
But this is power politics.
And I think we're seeing more quote unquote norms being broken.
Trump's big norm breakeraker.
There are other political power plays that people could do like packing the Supreme Court, Trump doesn't need to.
The Democrats had a few other plays like this, gerrymandering is another example, but we're going to see more norms being broken.
Where that takes us, we'll see.
phil labonte
I mean, I agree with you.
dave landau
I think that there's not a lot of there's not a lot of room for dumps to go legally, but that's the problem is how hard we want them to push back eventually.
I don't know.
elad eliahu
That's a very good it's a very You're going to say, oh, Trump changed the districts ahead of the census, and that's how he, well, he's doing this to defend his majority too.
He doesn't want to be in the minority for the second half of his presidential term.
He would definitely be impeached because who cares, who cares something.
And then all the investigations he's doing now would get investigated.
So, you know, that would be his biggest nightmare.
So he's really trying to just guarantee this majority.
Trump's been, it seems, unsecure about his majority almost the entire time he was president.
Especially recently.
Yeah, there was Elise Stefanik, who he initially wanted to elevate UN ambassador, but he was like, no, stay in your seat.
dave landau
Yeah.
elad eliahu
He wanted Mike Lawler to stay in his seat and not try to run for governor.
So there's a few examples of this.
I think there's a very slim majority.
I think it's two or three seats, something like that.
So something to keep your eye on in case, because Trump is clearly worried about this as well.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I think that's legitimate because if, like you said, if the Democrats take the House, there will be impeachment, there will be Oh, of course.
Nothing's going to happen.
It will just be, you know, doing everything they can to stymy any kind of progress for the American people.
dave landau
Well, and I think that's the benefit, not even going back to the Epstein thing, but of doing that stuff, because there has to be something that switches that because that's kind of their ticket into an impeachment.
phil labonte
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, look, I'm a naked partyist, so like anything that they can do to throw sand into the gears of whatever the Democrats are going to try, I'm for.
dave landau
Sure.
phil labonte
Because if they don't, then the Democrats are going to do whatever they can to throw not just, you know, not only impeach Donald Trump, even though I don't imagine that he'll get removed from office because I don't think they'll take the Senate, but they'll try and they would try to take him out of office and then should they get the presidency again,
I imagine all of the bureaucracies will get filled up with Democrats sycophants again and they'll they'll come after people in the, you know, in the right-wing podcast sphere.
They'll go after people like Joe Rogan.
They'll go after people like Tim Poole.
They'll go after people that have Benny Johnson and anyone that they consider a political enemy.
They will absolutely target and go after because that was the plan if Kamala Harris would have won.
dave landau
Well, just like before.
It's why they're saying that Stephen Colbert is the enemy or like supposedly people are the enemy of him when that's really not the truth.
phil labonte
No.
Stephen Colbert, you know, his viewership is why he lost his job.
dave landau
And his viewership was a result of, I think, CBS pushing him to do something.
I mean, it is his own.
I mean, you have to blame somebody for what it is.
But CBS, I do also blame because they're the ones that pushed all that crap on him.
And then they're the ones that are going like, oh, your numbers are down.
It's like, well, you kind of forced it.
Yeah, and your whole company did this, but they all did that woke stuff.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't think you're wrong, but again, just like you said at the end, it wasn't just Colbert, it was all of them.
dave landau
And also Disney blaming the Snow White Girl for being Latina.
Like, why are you Latina?
Because you did it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
It's you guys that did it, not her.
phil labonte
The only thing that I would add to that is they did it at a time when people were moving away from cable TV anyway.
unidentified
Right.
phil labonte
So it just sped up what was already happening.
Oh, sure.
Okay, so let's jump to this story.
This is breaking news from, I guess, from Fox News, from the Ingram angle.
We'll go ahead and we'll play the bill.
laura ingraham
Glenn is his primary resident.
phil labonte
Easy there.
Ready to go?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Okay.
laura ingraham
In an Ingram Angle exclusive, a Trump administration source telling The Angle that a criminal investigation of Adam Schiff is underway conducted by U.S. Attorney's Office in Maryland for possible charges involving mortgage fraud.
Now, this follows the story we broke last month when the Federal Housing Finance Agency sent a criminal referral to the DOJ alleging that Schiff in multiple instances falsified bank documents and property records to acquire more favorable loan terms.
And a 2011 affidavitits signed by the then California congressman.
He certified that a property in Montgomery County, Maryland is his primary residence.
He also owns a condo in Burbank, California, which he's also claimed is his primary residence.
dave landau
He always looks like he's swallowing at a glory hole, doesn't he?
Like he just finished it.
phil labonte
So this is essentially the same thing that they accused Donald Trump of, right?
dave landau
Yes.
phil labonte
Yeah, they said that he committed mortgage fraud, which even though in Donald Trump's case, like the banks were like, nah, this is good.
Like we made money.
This was fine.
But the, oh no, actually no, this is this is different because Donald Trump was accused of lying about the value of the of his apartment.
Of the apartment?
dave landau
Mario Largo?
phil labonte
Mario Largo.
dave landau
He has an apartment in New York as well.
Am I wrong about that?
phil labonte
I don't know.
So I don't know.
I'd have to look into that.
But this is the same thing that Leticia James has done.
I don't know or whatever.
She has, she has claimed that she was a resident of one place and, you know, for tax reasons or whatever.
Now Schiff was claiming that he was a resident of California while he was spending all his time in Maryland.
And now his argument is, well, you know, I work in DC, so I have to do this.
But if you work in DC, I'm not sure the mortgage, how it makes a mortgage, how it makes mortgage fraud.
dave landau
Well, if he so he works in DC and lives somewhere else?
phil labonte
Well, you have to live in California to be a to be a senator from California.
You actually have to reside there.
So you have to spend, you know, X amount of time there.
tate brown
Well, that's what happened to Letitia James, because she had a house in Virginia and she made it her primary residence.
But she's AG of New York.
It's kind of a problem.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And so you have to have your primary residenceidence has to be in California.
dave landau
Right.
Because of because he But you could have an office right off in DC.
phil labonte
Yes, but I'm not sure.
I'm not sure the exact details of this particular issue.
elad eliahu
Look, I'm no Shif fan, but doesn't this seem like a little flimsy?
Like, can we get the real goods on this guy, like, for participation in the Russian collusion hoax for years?
But no, we get him on what?
Mortgage fraud.
I just suspect this isn't going anywhere.
I feel like we're Yeah.
And this just feels like some red meat.
Like, this isn't going anywhere.
Mortgage fraud, really?
Give me the juice.
Give me something meaningful.
Give me, but no, we're getting, oh, some mortgage fraud.
What do you think the consequences even if they convict him, which I doubt they will, what are the real consequences of this going to be?
Nothing.
I think this was just a juicy story to be leaked to Laura Ingram from somebody in the administration doing somebody favors.
And it almost seems like they're trying too hard to go after him and they don't, they don't have the goods.
Go after him and get the goods.
But no, you're coming to me with mortgage fraud.
What about all the Russian, what Russia hoax BS that he was spitting for years that helped contribute to the Steel Dossier that eventually helped wrap Trump up in this crazy media narrative.
But no, mortgage fraud.
So it's like, I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not a judge.
Okay, so I worked in law, but I don't suspect this is going to go so far.
phil labonte
So the argument sent from Fox News, Senator Adam Schiff is under criminal investigation for mortgage fraud.
A Trump administration told source told Fox News, Fox News host Laura Ingram broke the news on Tuesday night on the Ingram Angle saying that the source said a criminal investigation is being conducted by the US Attorney's Office in Maryland on possible charges involving mortgage fraud.
The investigation comes a month after a story broke about the Federal Housing Finance Agency sending a criminal referral to the Department of Justice.
justice alleging that Schiff in multiple instances falsified bank documents and property records to acquire more favorable loan terms.
In a 2011 affidavit signed by then California congressman Schiff certified that a property in Montgomery, California, Maine, Maryland is his primary residence.
Schiff also owns a condominium in Burbank, California, which he has also claimed as his primary residence as recently as twenty twenty three during his campaign for Senate.
Schiff's office did not immediately respond to Vox News' request for comment.
dave landau
So and also a bar in the meat packing district called the Blue Oyster.
Every Saturday he does his job as a urinal.
I think as far as mortgages go.
phil labonte
How many people know what the Blue Oyster Bar is?
dave landau
Police Academy.
Police Academy, yeah.
I think as far as mortgages go and the wonderful job that they've always done with the housing at three times what it's worth and the twelve percent interest rates, does it matter?
I mean, is this really what the American people should be concerned about when you look at the way that we've been screwed so many times?
phil labonte
I mean, look, I'm a naked party.
Anything we put this guy in, anything giving problems, I'm down with.
dave landau
I am too.
I get giving them problems about this.
The problem is, it's just what Zillow would seem at this point.
It's not like, I think you have to get something that sticks.
And I just don't see this as something that sticks because it's it's a write off that you could then go at any conservative for.
I believe.
phil labonte
Well, if he's if he's it depends.
If he's claiming that he if he's claimed that it was his primary residence in Maryland, then he's not eligible, eligible to be a senator from California.
dave landau
I get that.
I'm worried about the domino.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know.
It's possible that there are other people that have done this.
Sure.
But unless there's evidence of other people doing this, I personally am not worried about, oh, what could happen to other people.
elad eliahu
Again, he's made claims that he's not like
it's a partisan attack against him.
phil labonte
I mean, you could anything.
That's what I think.
Anything is going to be considered a partisan attack though.
Anything.
elad eliahu
Not anything.
And if they had the goods then.
phil labonte
No, I totally disagree with you.
When it comes to partisans, which I am, like, partisans are going to say, no, whatever he did is fine because he's on our team.
That's just the way that politics works now.
tate brown
I agree with that, but I do agree that this is kind of a Nothing Burger mortgage.
You're not going to depose anyone from a Senate seat over this.
You need something meaty.
phil labonte
I would love to see it.
tate brown
It would be great.
dave landau
Or catch him with something meaty.
tate brown
I mean, like think what George Santos got tried with.
And I just said an office.
But that's not meaty.
phil labonte
Yeah.
No, Santos isn't in.
Santos is in jail right now.
tate brown
Now, but he was in office for a while.
phil labonte
The Republicans themselves kept him out.
tate brown
Yeah, and it took a while.
elad eliahu
And now a couple of them are asking them to, Trump, pardon him.
phil labonte
Well, just give me time.
elad eliahu
Just MTV, I think they should pardon him.
Are we free George guys?
tate brown
I'm a free George.
elad eliahu
I'm a free George.
phil labonte
No, people.
dave landau
They should never have been with the Syrian Brotherhood.
phil labonte
They should never have taken him out of office.
What happened?
That's not happening.
Oh, you bet it is.
Oh, no.
dave landau
A little cream pie from the Nation of Muslims.
phil labonte
Nice.
dave landau
Sorry, the Islam.
Islam.
phil labonte
He's not.
elad eliahu
He's too glam to go in jail.
dave landau
No, no, no.
That's why.
The fact that he's not is why they don't mind.
Again, they don't eat pork.
Sorry.
I can't.
Oh, man.
I just can't with these people.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't blame you at all.
dave landau
Adam Schiff is a very limber fella here.
phil labonte
I mean, maybe.
dave landau
Yeah.
You look at him.
tate brown
I do like how he effectively bullied, like when Kamala ran for president, they put a block.
woman, like a lesbian black woman, in that Senate seat, and then Shift just like bullied her out of that game.
dave landau
Oh yeah.
tate brown
He was already running.
He's like, sorry.
He's just checked all the boxes.
dave landau
He's like the grown Campbell Soup kid.
The goofy looking person.
I just I kinda like him there because he's so non threatening.
tate brown
Yeah.
dave landau
Like there's no way anyone takes him seriously.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I I agree with your estimate of him as a person, but he does get to vote.
He's going to vote with the Representatives.
It's crazy.
He's going to vote with the Democrats, you know?
elad eliahu
He's a power player, I think.
Like he worked his way up through the House to the Senate right now.
phil labonte
And it was low.
elad eliahu
It was all because he was all's anti Trump and the Russia collusion stuff that he put out, like people, Democrats in California would argue like, yeah, he took down Trump, man, this shift guy with the Russia spin.
So that's what they'd give him credit for.
And hey, you know, so I don't think he's going to get kicked out of the Senate for the moment.
I don't think Democrats are going to give a crap either.
phil labonte
I don't think that I don't think that there's a high chance of it, but I do think that it's good that they're going to, you know, put the screws to him.
tate brown
There's nothing wrong with, yeah, I mean, I'd love to, like, get these guys for parking tickets every day.
phil labonte
Yeah, like, so, I mean, again, if you're, if you're like, oh, we're not going to get results, so they shouldn't, they shouldn't, you know, they shouldn't put the screws to him.
dave landau
That's in your best meter.
made at that man.
No, I follow him.
It's like you're not wrong at all.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
Like, that's the thing is you're both accurate in this.
It's just, I, I, yeah, I just think it won't stick.
phil labonte
No, I, I tend to agree with that.
They're not going to be able to make anything stick.
I don't think, but I do think that they should do everything they can to make his life difficult.
dave landau
Yeah.
phil labonte
Because he did that to Republicans for, you know, for however long he's been in or however long he was in the House in Congress, you know, he was doing that and he's going to continue doing that.
So make him, make him the process.
The process can be the punishment.
dave landau
Yeah.
phil labonte
And again, all of the stuff that Ilad mentioned about the Rush Gate stuff, there's still ongoing investigations for that.
So if there's any way they can put the screws to him for that as well, I'm all for it.
So, like I said, I'm a naked partisan, so anything they can do to make his life more difficult, I'm going to be supportive.
So, we're going to move on to, let's see, to this story.
What is it?
The Jim Acosta interviews an AI version of a teenager killed in the Parkland shooting.
It's actually disgusting.
dave landau
Was this a real kid that was Yeah, that's real fake kid.
Real fake kid?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Is he okay?
dave landau
Hey?
elad eliahu
Nice dad.
phil labonte
Real fake kid.
elad eliahu
That they reanimated to life with, like, low quality AI.
That's why I hate AI.
I'm always telling people this technology is the worst.
dave landau
I hate it too.
elad eliahu
Yeah, total garbage, and now what are we doing it for?
It's like, yeah guys, we're living in the future.
Now we could have videos of dead people like having their mouths move and like having them regurgitate my political beliefs back to me.
unidentified
Right.
elad eliahu
It's like he's interviewing himself.
unidentified
Right.
dave landau
Do you know anyway?
Do you know if a kid felt this way?
No, no, no.
He's been dead a long time.
elad eliahu
Well, he was killed by game violence, so he asked to be.
phil labonte
Let's get into it.
dave landau
That's enough to agree with me.
phil labonte
Hold on.
Let's get into this here.
Variety reports Jim Acosta, the former CNN chief White House correspondent who now hosts an independent show on YouTube, has published an interview with an AI generated avatar of Joaquin Oliver, who died at 17 years old in the Parkland School shooting in 2018.
The interactive AI was created by Oliver's parents who granted Acosta the first interview with the recreated version of their son on what would have been his 25th birthday.
Oliver was one of the 17 people killed in the mass shooting at Marjorie Stoneham Douglas High School.
Acosta asked Oliver about his solution for gun violence, to which the Avatar responded, I believe in a mix of stronger gun control laws, mental health support and community engagement.
We need to create a safe space for conversations and connections, making sure everyone feels seen and heard.
It's about building a culture of kindness and understanding.
It is incredibly creepy.
Do we have the actual video of them?
tate brown
I hope not.
unidentified
Yeah.
I mean, we was on Twitter and we should see we should show it.
phil labonte
It was like low quality.
Let's see.
Oh, this is actually Acosta.
elad eliahu
You're going to have to click through.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
jim acosta
Welcome to the gym Acosta.
phil labonte
Oh, it's right in the beginning here.
jim acosta
But it is another date.
I've known him for several years now.
I consider him to be a good friend.
unidentified
So, of course, I took him up on the opportunity so we can create a safer future for everyone.
phil labonte
What would you like to know more about?
jim acosta
Joaquin, I would like to know.
unidentified
Right, if you want to share anything or have questions, I'm all ears.
elad eliahu
Just let me know.
jim acosta
Joaquin, it's Jim Acosta.
I was wondering if you could tell me what happened to you.
phil labonte
I appreciate your curiosity.
unidentified
I just taken it on this video too soon due to violence while at school.
It's important to talk about these issues so we can create a safer future for everyone.
phil labonte
What would you like to know more about?
jim acosta
Joaquin.
phil labonte
Like, that's literally like, would you like to know more from Starship Troopopers.
serge du preez
Stephen Hawking.
dave landau
Dude, it was better when Brando landed in the original Superman.
jim acosta
I would like to know what your solution would be for gun violence.
unidentified
Great question.
I believe in a mix of Gun control laws, mental health support, and community engagement.
We need to create safe spaces for conversations and connections, making sure everyone feels seen and heard.
elad eliahu
It's about so morbid and gross.
dave landau
It really is.
serge du preez
So we see and heard, dude.
unidentified
What?
jim acosta
I think that's a great idea, Joaquin.
We definitely need more of that.
unidentified
I'm so glad you think so.
dave landau
Is he also an AI or is that his personality?
serge du preez
That's Jim McGosso.
elad eliahu
17-year-old is not this well spoken.
dave landau
Not supported.
serge du preez
Anything else on your mind?
dave landau
It's sad to do this.
unidentified
this.
jim acosta
I would like to know more about you.
phil labonte
Just the prompts are so crazy.
And now he goes on to talk about sports.
unidentified
I'm all about love, laughter, and living life to the fullest.
dave landau
I cherish my family and friends and always try to help you.
serge du preez
Stop yelling.
dave landau
It's like, go my life.
elad eliahu
AI version one.
phil labonte
I just can't imagine I wouldn't need it.
And it goes on like my father, I would never, I'm sorry.
tate brown
Oh yeah.
dave landau
It's so sad.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
phil labonte
It's disgusting.
dave landau
I lost a lot of my friends when they were teenagers and I just can't imagine doing this.
I'm sorry.
phil labonte
It's gross.
But like, Like really?
The kid died in 2017 is when Yeah, it's it's it looks like Rosie O'Donnell.
It's so incredibly gross.
Acosta.
unidentified
Acosta, not Acosta.
phil labonte
And you're right.
If you look at Acosta, you can see his roots are showing too.
He's got a little gray going on there.
elad eliahu
And I was I don't blame the parents as much.
The parents are obviously going through it and they're thinking, what could I have done differently possibly to save my child?
And I'm I'm not a father.
I hope one day to be.
And I'm sure if I ever lost my child, I'd be constantly reliving that and thinking what I could have done differently.
I'm thinking what I could have done differently to change that.
But Jim Acosta, what a piece of absolute fucking garbage.
And he's really just manipulating the parents and using them to try to advance his specific politics.
And it's so gross because the right could do this too, but they choose not to.
They could have some parents who say, oh, maybe they could have used some more security guards there or had more police there or had police who actually decided to go in to the school because at the Parkland school shooting they didn't have the police actually going inside when the shooting was happening.
So just so nakedly gross to use literally dead children to try to advance your political agenda.
tate brown
So digital taxidermy.
It's the horrifying thing.
dave landau
Well, the two went in for Uvalde, but they were complete pussies.
tate brown
Yeah.
dave landau
Yeah.
phil labonte
So, I mean, Uvalde was very sad.
Very sad.
dave landau
Very sad.
Yeah.
tate brown
Especially when you saw like the body cam from like Nashville where they just ran right in right away.
dave landau
Yeah, and they took, they handled their job.
tate brown
Yeah.
dave landau
So it's the same as the guy who borrowed the gun from the barber shop or what was it?
Yeah, in Uvalde.
It was military.
phil labonte
Yeah.
So the overall reaction is actually non party.
Most of the time you expect people to kind of, you know, pick their side and, okay, I'll defend Acosta because I'm a politically aligned with him.
But even over on Blue Sky, the response was absolutely excoriating him.
You know, hey Jim, quick question, what the f is wrong with you?
What I want to know is what the f is wrong with the parents.
Grief makes you do crazy things, Acosta has no excuse though, and it goes on.
That's not him.
This is not his true self.
That's a computer generating answers.
Jim, you ever think about turning in, turning into MDF might be more useful career pivot.
Usually I don't comment on stuff like this, but this is beyond Fed up and gross.
You're a monster.
This is in an interview.
This is the AI version of Weekend at Bernie's.
And they did a better job in animating a dead guy.
And this is Blue Sky, right?
tate brown
This is not Blue Sky turns on a lip tart, it's over.
phil labonte
Exactly, this is not X. I mean, X, you expect Jim Acosta to get scorried, but it goes on and on and on.
Thanks, I hate it.
This is disgusting.
There's no reason at all to do this.
This is journalistic malpractice.
dave landau
We're also looking at people who consider themselves artists and they don't want AI to begin with.
And now you're losing, you're using it in the most egregious, disgusting way imaginable.
phil labonte
It is the most egregious.
dave landau
And these are the right and left.
can come together and go, that's wrong on every level.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
And like you said, I don't blame the parents.
Grief is a horrible thing, but that's the worst thing you can do with it, I would say.
phil labonte
I think that's pretty accurate.
dave landau
Especially when you're interviewing yourself and then you're going, but it's a dead kid too.
phil labonte
It's, I mean, I don't think that there's, there's, I don't think anyone actually had a positive review of this or positive response to this.
I don't know how Jim Acosta thought this was a good idea.
I mean, he said himself, but he was, you know, here he is advertising a show you don't want to miss at 4 p.m.
I've seen a very kind interview with Joaquin Oliver.
He died in the Parkland School shooting in 2018, but his parents have created an AI version of their son to deliver a powerful message on gun violence.
Then where was the actual powerful message on gun violence?
Because that was the most boilerplate, you know, boring, agitated.
Exactly, it's the most garbage kind of thing that you could possibly imagine.
dave landau
Well, I love the mental health thing.
Where it's the, it's like we do have a massive mental health problem in this country.
We also have a dopamine problem.
We're addicted to our phones.
We have companies that want us addicted to our phones, so people stop feeling anything.
And that there's so many things you can get into.
An AI robot is the last thing you want to have told you that.
And also, I love during COVID, you had a bunch of books behind you every time someone was doing an interview.
And in this, it's just his books.
I don't know, I just noticed that.
Nothing says narcissism.
tate brown
They can't sell any of them, they have to put them back.
dave landau
No, either, like, he's like, I think I just had a lot of returns today.
elad eliahu
I think too, if you just asked ChatGPT the questions Acosta asked, you'd get something totally different.
So they had to have coded this, like, give me the most run of the mill, lib answers.
Like, that's what they coded this person to be reanimated as.
So this guy was killed horrifically and reanimated literally as a lib.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's an empty shell as a symbol of liberal light.
Yeah, I just can't imagine that's a problem.
phil labonte
I can't imagine that they had a dataset that could accurately, you know, be used as an AI to reflect what this kid was like.
dave landau
No, and they couldn't have had actually a bunch of data that went together from all the shootings where it was like, well, you know, I think SSRIs are a problem, so you don't want to get a sweet at the Mandalay Bay.
He would have just stopped it.
So it's not like there was a bunch of stuff they were covering to have a real answer.
Like you said, it's just boilerplate run of the mill.
It's irresponsible.
phil labonte
Yeah, I do think that it is irresponsible and I think he's getting the result that he deserves, the criticism that he deserves.
dave landau
I don't see how he does, yeah.
elad eliahu
You know what?
Maybe, you know, we don't have a lot of answers from the Las Vegas shooting.
Maybe we could try to reanimate Steven Paddock.
tate brown
Steven Paddock.
elad eliahu
Steven Paddock and have an interview with him.
What answers we get out of him.
dave landau
Yeah, it'd be funny if he just, it's like, I don't know.
I didn't like the hotel.
elad eliahu
I lost a lot of money.
I think isn't that the current line?
Like, I lost a lot of money playing with my Asian wife who was using me.
tate brown
I wouldn't swap my towels.
phil labonte
I honestly think that the FBI wouldn't allow that personally.
dave landau
Probably wouldn't.
phil labonte
I don't think the FBI is going to allow that at all.
dave landau
It would just be, yeah, like, why did you, why did you bring them in though at checking in?
I don't know, you know, I had a feeling it wouldn't go well.
I lost every time.
phil labonte
They just keep letting me back in, so someone had to pay for it.
dave landau
You'd be surprised, but I, you only packed one shirt.
You had six suitcases of weapons.
elad eliahu
You had so many guns up there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
Like, even if I was in line, I'd be like, excuse me, there's a lot of gun bags.
I'm going to those guitar?
No, no, no.
I have plans.
phil labonte
The rate of fire doesn't add up.
dave landau
I've got the highest floor.
I mean, it's very sad.
But if I don't make light of it.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
dave landau
But it's just, it's absurd.
phil labonte
How long ago did it happen?
elad eliahu
I mean, twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen?
dave landau
A while ago.
phil labonte
I don't know.
dave landau
I mean, not that long ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, it's over five years, so I think it's safe to.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
I mean, it was pretty COVID.
phil labonte
It was, yeah.
elad eliahu
Even Parkland, though, was, I think, seven or eight years ago at this point.
phil labonte
Parkland was swinging.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
It was enough to make David Hogg famous, and now people are like, Okay, enough.
elad eliahu
I mean, did you see that he became the first became the most famous one because there was like a whole crew of them.
I remember there was like an Emmachik and then there was the right wing version with Kyle Kashev.
Kyle Kashev.
tate brown
Kashev.
dave landau
Yeah, and he was the one that was like not even there, right?
elad eliahu
Hogg?
phil labonte
Hogg was there.
dave landau
Yeah, wasn't he like down the street?
phil labonte
Hogg was Hogg was at school when it happened.
He left and then he went back to do a little dancing on graves.
dave landau
Oh, once the coast was clear.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
He's like, now that it's safe, I'm gonna pretend I was part of this.
phil labonte
Yeah, he was in another part of the school.
He wasn't actually, he wasn't, he wasn't actually in danger from the actual shooting.
He left, went home, and then went back and started giving interviews and was like, hey, here's my chance to be a Democrat apparatchuk.
dave landau
Can you imagine what a scumbag would run up to a news camera and just start making it about himself?
phil labonte
When he was, look, he was 17, so part of me is like, Okay, he's young and dumb.
But then he turned that into, you know, Harvard with poor grades and going on to be in the DNC after that and basically failing at everything that he tried to do.
dave landau
Wearing skinny suits.
phil labonte
Did he wear skinny suits?
tate brown
Because he liked threatening her like primary one guy and they're like, get him out.
unidentified
Yeah.
He I mean, you got some good ideas.
phil labonte
If you listen to James Carwell, he was like, this kid's an idiot.
tate brown
Yeah, that's hilarious.
phil labonte
They were primary, he wanted to primary safe Democrat seats because they weren't progressive enough, but it's like, look, man.
tate brown
They're just kicking the can down the road.
phil labonte
You're not helping anybody by primarying each other.
tate brown
It's their future, whether they like it or not.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Well, we'll see.
I mean, I don't know that he's that he's extreme enough when it comes to the politics.
dave landau
I think they're earning on him.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think.
tate brown
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Huge straight white.
Come on.
There's no.
There's no.
He's not in the hierarchy.
unidentified
No.
tate brown
I mean, just coming it up with Zoran.
I saw that.
elad eliahu
Oh, yeah?
phil labonte
Was he?
tate brown
Yeah, they're boys.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, again, I think that Hogg is the.
most self serving of the Democrats that I know of.
I don't think that any of it is motivated by actual political beliefs other than, well, you know, I'm supposed to be a Democrat or I am a Democrat.
That's how I identify.
So I'm going to just be a Democrat.
tate brown
I don't think there's anything other than self serving attempts to Well, he has the weird combination of being self serving and having a chip on his shoulder.
And that's always a really deadly combo.
dave landau
We called him bomb threats not to go to school.
And then Columbine happened and all that jazz roll.
That wasn't it.
phil labonte
Yeah, that did, that did put a damper on the thing.
dave landau
Didn't it?
It used to be like, it was funny though when we would, we'd be like, is that a dog going to school in a robot?
And you're like, maybe we shouldn't do this anymore.
phil labonte
There weren't robots back in the 90s.
dave landau
There were like little bomb ones, yeah.
phil labonte
Really?
dave landau
Yeah.
phil labonte
I thought that was I thought that those didn't really become a thing.
dave landau
Yeah, like little remote ones.
I mean, I don't know if they did anything.
There wasn't a bomb.
phil labonte
Looking.
dave landau
Somebody who I won't say who did it from a payphone in Detroit for outside a bar anyway.
phil labonte
Well, you never can tell with Detroit, right?
The schools were crazy.
dave landau
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, they had these things called metal detectors.
And then they had people that worked security in a lot of the schools.
phil labonte
Really in the late 90s, huh?
dave landau
Yeah, through the 80s and 90s.
Even where my son goes to school, there was an, yeah, there was the opportunity to have armed, armed off duty Detroit police officers, retired police officers.
And the whole school was like, yeah, good, yeah, we'll do that.
Just taking a quick vote.
I mean, I think everybody wants to protect their children, no matter which side you're on when it comes down to it.
phil labonte
But doesn't that make sense?
I mean, at least particularly nowadays with the advent of the detector.
the advent of school shooting since Columbine.
dave landau
It really has, it's crazy because that one was out of nowhere.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
And then, I mean, there had been a few before, but it was in the 70s.
You know, there had been gang violence, but that was a very rare one.
And they wanted to blame Manson and Goth kids, but it turned out that it was actually two fairly popular kids, one extremely intelligent and one kind of a follower.
And after that, I mean, the way that it is now is just alarming.
So there is a problem, but we have to identify what it actually is.
And what is it?
phil labonte
I think that it's the fact that there are very few fathers and kids being raised by single mothers and SSRIs and I think it is a lot in the treatment.
dave landau
I think there is a lot of yeah, I think there is a lot of that.
There's a lot of pressure.
There's a lot of I think the internet is a huge problem to it because you're not being judged by a group of friends.
You're being judged by Earth.
phil labonte
The whole world.
dave landau
Yeah.
I think there's a lot of problems with psyche as a result with that.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, well, the, the, No, it's something most adults aren't prepared for most of us.
elad eliahu
I don't have the data in front of me.
I believe school shootings to be going down.
I think one of the core issues here is the social contagion aspect of it.
So the Columbine stuff really blew up and there were a lot of copycat people as a result of many things, but due in part to them getting the idea from the Columbine shooting.
dave landau
Yes, almost instantly.
elad eliahu
Like copycat, a ton of copycat killers, which was really messed up.
When I was younger, I remember they, I forgot the name of the program.
They brought us all into this room, like an auditorium or something, and they all like were really, gave us an extremely dramatic telling of the story and how it could have been us.
And they tried to get half the kids to cry and everyone was all, all sobbing.
about this and they really got this story out there aggressively and it might have died down a bit now.
But even still, when you're seeing these school shootings, it could encourage others to do these copycat type attacks, especially because humans are so stupid and we're such followers of real.
tate brown
Now it's a big problem.
Like in the 2010s where they would like a school shooting to happen and then they would have like a scoreboard and would like show the record shooting.
I was like, of course that was going to lead to these like psychos.
phil labonte
And also nowadays what is it so what is it actually?
tate brown
Yeah, it was like a thing.
elad eliahu
It would be like who killed the most.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
It's and like the deadliest since then.
elad eliahu
Yeah, the Call of Duty.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
The guys were losing.
tate brown
Yeah.
phil labonte
And what what is considered a, you know, a mass shooting nowadays has been really the waters have been muddyed so much because now they're talking about anyone that's shot like any shooting that happens where there's more than two people that are shot, right?
And when you say a mass shooting, it brings to mind someone going, well, I mean, so a lot of people that have lost their lives and it brings to mind someone that goes with the intent to kill multiple people and starts shooting and continues shooting and killing people until they're stopped.
So you think of a large death toll nowadays.
Anything that happens, any event with a gun on a school, they call that a school shooting so if a gun goes off and someone gets shot they call it a school shooting not an accident it's a school shooting anytime there's more than two people that are shot in one event they call it a mass shooting which again if you're walking down the street and there's a you know someone decides that they're going to try and rob someone and they shoot the person they're trying to rob and two people get hit in the in the
crossfire they call that a mass shooting but the the contexts are very different so when you're thinking of a mass shooting and it brings to mind these these horrible you know events where multiple people are shot and killed or someone is, you know, mugged and someone shoots them and two other people end up getting hit.
Those are two very different types of crime and two different types of criminals perform those crimes, you know.
dave landau
Well, it's a scare tactic.
phil labonte
Yeah, you know, that's the point.
They muddy the water so that way they can they can essentially farm clicks, I imagine.
dave landau
But that's the main reason for anything now.
And like you guys said when it first happened, I mean, the immediate response, remember, was lockdown.
And they said, if there's a shooter, we're going to pull the fire alarm and we're going to barricade the door and everybody gets under a desk.
So essentially you're sitting ducks..
And, you know, it's like, well, first of all, what if it's a fire and we don't hear the shots, so now we're just sitting in a classroom under desks?
But the way that they responded, they had no idea what to do with it.
And now it's like you said, if somebody, a lot of times someone will bring a gun to school an accident, they will do it to be cool, something will go off, and now it hits all these stats, and it's not necessarily real.
So we don't really know how to, they're not all individual, they're all just lumped into one thing to kind of scare every single parent.
elad eliahu
I think there is something so horribly fascinating about this social contagion idea and how bad ideas could spread.
from one person to another for some of the most horrible things And how talking about these things more can help encourage them in people.
So like school shootings aren't the only example.
Offing yourself is another example.
When when it's covered more in the news, it's a crazy phenomenon that it increases suicide rates.
And another thing is like the trans issue.
The more attention that the trans issue is given, the more trans people we see start popping up due to this social contagion theory.
So I think it's crazy how impressionable people are.
And I think it's something that we need to be hyper aware of.
And then it's an interesting thing in how we in the media should behave knowing those things.
Should I not cover people offing themselves?ves as much because I know it could help spur other people doing that.
Should I not cover school shootings the same way because I know it could lead to others?
Should I not name shooters or this or that?
So just something to be aware of as people, I think we're super impressionable.
dave landau
Yeah, I think the idea, okay, you name the shooter because that's what they want.
I don't know if that's true, right?
That's just something we say.
I think going, okay, well, suicides are up against men.
Do you be honest and say it's gambling?
Do you be honest and say it's these certain things of huge loss to people is what causes it?
Or do you kind of keep hiding that too?
We kind of just put all that stuff out there.
The trans issue, I think, has also proven to be real.
where the more and more we talk about it and make a problem, the more and more people want to identify it for attention.
So it's hard to say what is what, but we do kind of talk about it, then we put these blanket things over, like we can't talk about the shoot.
That's not preventing anything.
So, and also we do that thing, like you said, calling certain people teens, then naming certain people on the other side because we can talk about that person.
We muddy it all up so we're never getting clear actual statistics of what's going on.
elad eliahu
People are such hardasses about the naming now.
It's like, oh, you support this guy?
Is that why you're naming him?
You're trying to make him famous or something?
It's like, bro, I don't think this is going to change anything at this point.
dave landau
No, and it's not going to satisfy him.
tate brown
But it did get out of control for a while where like a shooter would happen and then you get like a full, like, Netflix documentary on a movie.
elad eliahu
Or like timefront page of I think it was the Boston Marathon.
Yeah.
Summer where it's like we're fetishizing these guys.
dave landau
That was the Rolling Stone cover.
We had a show about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
It's like if you had nothing to lose and you're just like, this is it.
It's like, well, you can get a Netflix documentary out of it.
I mean, yeah.
dave landau
If you're going to be on the same cover as Kurt Cobain, that's certainly incentive.
tate brown
Yeah.
elad eliahu
But in a messed up way.
dave landau
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, it's, uh, I think it makes sense to do what you can to minimize the shooter or the people that are carrying out these violent acts.
If it makes sense to actually name them or if it makes sense to talk about their background or whatever, then I think that's acceptable.
But the idea that you have to talk about them ad nauseam and talk about their motivation, et cetera, I'm not sure if that's a good idea or not, because if they have, you know, motivations that if they have some kind of manifesto or whatever, maybe it is good for that to be put out.
But at the same time, you know, if it will inspire other people, you know, I'm not sure where the line is.
dave landau
Like the kid who was the son of a Hollywood producer, I believe he produced like Harry Potter movies or something.
And then he shot up like a restaurant in Malibu.
I think that was an interesting one where you kind of go, okay, well, there's this rich kid who's spoiled and kind of has everything.
Why?
Why is that life as vapid and empty as another life?
And I mean, I mean, you could read like Brad Easton House's Less Than Zero and see why, but if you're not really aware of that, it's like, why do these things where people have so much and people have so little have these same repercussions of violence?
phil labonte
Well, what about something like the Christchurch shooter, the guy that shot up the mosque with all of the, you know, both the weapons that he used had all kinds of crazy writing on him and stuff, is that worth discussing or is that worth making his manifesto known?
I mean, he livestreamed it on Facebook.
I mean, I don't know that you could find the actual livestream, but for a while it was available on the internet and you could literally just watch the guy get out of his car, went to his trunk, picked up a gun.
I don't remember, I could be misreembering, but I want to say that he's humming as he does it.
And it's just really brutal and morbid to think about, you know.
Well, that's.
elad eliahu
It was so casual, that's what I remember.
That was done in such a way that I think the first person at the door greeted the guy, if I'm not mistakenken, and the FPS nature of it also made it look so surreal, almost like a video game where, you know, like you're in GTA where it just almost didn't make sense seeing it.
I think on the manifesto stuff, it's like, if we're being honest, it's a messed up way to get your stupid manifesto a ton of attention.
And then some people would give credit to it and some people won't, and, you know, that'll kind of just be that, but it's tragic.
phil labonte
I'm just wondering if, where do you guys think we should draw the line though?
Is there a place where it's acceptable to say, okay, this particular person's information should be given to the public.
This particular person's information should be withheld?
There are, there is, I think, a valid argument for, look, people shouldn't be kept in the dark.
If the government has information, there's no actual reason to hold it from the public.
But there's also the argument, oh, hey, if you put this information out, it may inspire copycats.
I'm wondering where you guys, if you guys think there's a line, is it some should, some shouldn't, all of it should be kept as quiet as possible?
dave landau
Or I think a lot of it should be able to, you can seek it out, but it shouldn't be jammed down your throat.
I mean, I think we should be allowed to have the information as citizens.
I think Ted Kaczynski is something, for example, where you can look and go, okay, he's a genius.
There's a lot of information here that he was accurate about.
He just shouldn't have made nail bombs.
Like the whole thing that was He was wrong about the post office.
He was wrong.
He really blowing off a postal worker's hand was the thing he shouldn't have done, but the rest of it reads where you're like, pretty accurate.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tate brown
You could have made like a sub stack or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
I mean, really.
phil labonte
If only the internet was around when he was, you know.
dave landau
And even if it was around, he was in a place with real spotted wifi.
tate brown
I imagine.
dave landau
Out in that shed in the woods.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
But yeah.
phil labonte
Only Elon Musk.
dave landau
But yeah.
phil labonte
Can you imagine Ted Kaczynski the guy that wrote the guy that wrote industrial civilization and its consequences.
tate brown
There's probably thirty of them alive today, but Twitter just gets it out of them so they can just get fucked up on Twitter and it gets that juice out.
phil labonte
I mean, that's a valid point.
How many people out there actually, the internet has given them an outlet and prevented them from going I think the opposite.
elad eliahu
I think more people are getting radicalized on the internet and you could find a small group of people who agree with your delusions on the internet, no matter how dumb your delusion is, you can find a group of people on the internet.
But the point that we're making is that those people find people to talk to and that's the outlet., as opposed to just No, they become more radical as a result to only talking to the specific group of crazys who confirm their craziness.
So in the past, if you were a complete wacko, you couldn't find crazy people online who agreed with you and gave you confirmation bias to your crazy ideas.
You'd be around people who were like, nah, you're actually a moron.
But now you could find someone who says whatever you want is a natural thing.
phil labonte
I'm not arguing against that point.
I think you're correct with that.
But the point that I'm the question that But Marshall Apple White found followers.
tate brown
Well, that's the thing.
It's like we had entire conglomerates that were going to cut their.
dave landau
The point that I'm making is that you could jump on Hailbop.
phil labonte
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I have no idea what this is.
phil labonte
The hillbop, I forget what it was.
dave landau
It was a comet that was coming?
phil labonte
Heaven's Gate.
unidentified
Heaven's Gate.
dave landau
And they're like, We're going to ride the comet, but you just have to cut it.
phil labonte
But the point that I'm making is, the shoes were nice.
You find people to discuss things with.
And because you find people to discuss these things with, you don't actually become violent in the real world.
And it seems that there is less violence today than there was twenty, thirty, forty years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
We had entire countries that were like communists and fascists.
Like, yeah.
The idea that these radical ideologies are spreading through the internet is like crazy.
It's like, the last century was way worse for this kind of thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
We were talking about the this.
It was nice.
The 20th century was an absolute bloodbath and all the radical stuff that people are afraid of.
I mean, by the time 1925 rolled around, there had already been the most destructive war in human history and then to be followed by World War two, which was again the most destructive war in human history.
elad eliahu
Let's give the internet some time to cook, guys.
I think it's only been ubiquitous for what, twenty or thirty years?
Let's give the internet some time to cook.
Don't worry.
It will cause a lot of problems with radicalizing people, I think, in the future.
Yeah.
dave landau
I'd only say fifteen really has had a big impact.
elad eliahu
Has it really been everywhere?
that everybody's been on.
We don't even have all the Indians on.
The Chinese have a Great Wall of China, Internet flies, Great Firewall of China or what have you.
So, no, I think if you give like a group of crazy, radical communists ways to talk to each other online, I think they'd be talking themselves to the more extreme and not like off the, off the, the extreme.
phil labonte
So it's your, it's your opinion that there are more extreme ideologies today than there were in the 20th century.
elad eliahu
I think they could be normalized easier by finding peers who agree with you and will confirm your crazy beliefs online, making these people that are these, like radicals, getto eyes quicker.
tate brown
They just become purely online types of people where back in the day they had to seek each other out.
They'd start compounds.
Like when was the last time we got a good compound?
We haven't had a compound in a long time.
elad eliahu
I just don't know of the good ones.
They're off the grid still.
phil labonte
I think that, I mean, it's possible that you could prove to be right, but I do think that I still think you're wrong.
I think that the twentieth century really was like I think the twentieth century might have been the apex in recent history of just absolute batshit crazy people doing crazy things.
dave landau
Well, you could get away with them.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
dave landau
I mean, if you even look at like the mafia, you could just walk around like the Teflon Don, just kill people.
I mean, it was really, it was really nice.
phil labonte
I mean, not that it was good, but I mean, it was that level of anonymity.
dave landau
You know what I mean?
Like a fun time to live where, like, you really had to pick and choose the bloodbath you were going to air on the news that night.
There were so many.
tate brown
Yeah.
elad eliahu
You know, like, you commit crimes.
You could just skip town.
phil labonte
Right.
elad eliahu
Nobody was finding you.
dave landau
No, I mean, you would just bury somebody and they're like, I don't know what happened to Tim.
And it was, that was it.
tate brown
You could dodge a draft by just going to Canada.
dave landau
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
And now, like, go fish.
elad eliahu
Like, just have a bone spur, you don't even need to go that far.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Okay.
dave landau
Like, now they're solving cold cases with DNA, which is interesting, but there's so many of them.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
dave landau
Like, now they're about to like find out with Jean Binet and stuff.
phil labonte
All you have to do is turn on like, uh, Netflix and they have all types of murder mystery things.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tate brown
And that's what women like unwind.
That's all I've always wondered who's watching this is women.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
They unwind a murder.
phil labonte
My girlfriend has literally watched everything that Netflix has to offer when it comes to murder.
unidentified
It's terrible.
phil labonte
I'm like, I'm like, I have a lot of guns here.
Do I really want you watching these kind of things?
dave landau
Yeah.
And they say if you unwind to that, you have severe mental disorders and I don't know one woman who doesn't watch that stuff.
I feel like offense lady.
phil labonte
Severe mental disorders in women kind of go hand in hand.
dave landau
Yeah, maybe they need it because they're always like, I want to feel safe.
And I'm like, but you go to bed watching the Carnival Cruise thing where a woman is taken and they still keep seeing her at different places, even though she's fifty and still being trafficked.
Did you see that?
unidentified
No.
dave landau
I didn't even know about it.
So my wife's like, yeah, I've watched it twice.
Why did you watch it twice?
Horrifying.
phil labonte
She's like, there was nothing else on.
dave landau
Yeah, she was like sixteen and the Bahamas with her parents and someone's just like, a worker just took her and she's been gone.
phil labonte
Creepy.
dave landau
That's why I don't go on cruises.
phil labonte
I, you know, I don't go on cruises myself.
elad eliahu
I don't go on cruises because I'm claustrophobic.
Come on, I want to be able to go where I want.
tate brown
No, I hate the cruises because you go on there and it's like the workers are from the Philippines and Indonesia and they look miserable.
And then you ask them, they're like, it's actually a really good job in their country.
elad eliahu
And you're just like, this If I want to murder someone, I'm inviting them on a cruise.
dave landau
If someone has to say good job in Felix by in their country, it's not a good job.
unidentified
It's not.
It's not.
tate brown
But they actually fight over this.
I'll be honest, wrapping cheeseburgers for any.
phil labonte
Any caveats are not a good idea.
It's actually a really good job.
Caveat.
unidentified
No.
phil labonte
Yeah.
It's not a really good job.
dave landau
Like, what's another good job there?
Well, they sell cocaine from a jet ski.
tate brown
You could be a child soldier, so it's a little better than that.
dave landau
If you ever parade shoot from the back of a boat and not lived, they do that too.
phil labonte
Okay, we're going to jump to one last story here.
Michael Rappapur was supposed to be playing in the Stardome in Alabama, and it was cancelled.
He tweeted My show tonight at the Stardome in Alabama was cancelled.
I did not cancel.
I would never cancel, especially since I'm already here in Birmingham ready to perform.
It was shut down because of protests and threats over my support for Israel and for speaking up about the fifty hostages still being held in Gaza.
Six hundred seventy days in captivity.ity for days and people are protesting me for demanding their release.
It's embarrassing, it's sad, but I'm not ashamed.
I stand by what I said and who I stand with.
Fortunately, I got to meet some incredible people from the Shabbat of Alabama today and had the blessings of rapping Tefilin, a gigantic mitzvah and a reminder of what really matters.
I am Yisrael Shah.
That's right.
I am Yisrael Shah, I think you said.
Anyway, rapping Tefilin is the weirdest thing that I have ever seen a religion do.
Like they put a box.
elad eliahu
That's the weirdest thing.
phil labonte
That's one of the weirdest.
They put a box on their head.
They put a box on their arm.
tate brown
The scripture matters.
elad eliahu
They put the box, there's scripture.
tate brown
Yeah.
elad eliahu
And they're like boxers.
And then it's cow leather that you rap, um, x amount of times and it's symbolic.
But, um, speaking of the twenty hostages, Hamas actually released a hostage video over the weekend of Eviatar David, um, where he was hungry, literally hungry, not fake Palestinians hungry, um, literally skin and bones, um, forced to dig his own grave according to the Hamas video.
Um, again, this is Hamas that chose to make a video of them starving someone and forcing him to dig his own grave and like, well, counting down the days and watching him cry all over himself.
So I think it's good awareness that he's bringing to this mister Rapappure.
dave landau
So Hamas was violent?
phil labonte
Who'd have thought it?
dave landau
My stars.
phil labonte
I still can't believe that there are people that would side with Hamas.
dave landau
They are.
tate brown
Oh yeah.
After the Oh, you can't paraglide anymore?
phil labonte
Like, I mean, you can be critical.
dave landau
If you want to be critical of Israel for 911.
phil labonte
I know, right?
If you want to be critical of Israel and the way they're carrying out the war in Gaza, fine.
You can be critical of that.
I get it.
But, like, the idea that, like, people are like, Hamas are the good guys.
tate brown
Yeah.
phil labonte
And it's like, come on, come on.
dave landau
But you talk about the 90s and people being unaware.
This is the Middle East.
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
It's just war all the time and has been since I was a kid.
Starving children is awful, but this has been the entire time I've been alive.
I don't know how people aren't aware of that.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And it's and people love to say that it's Israel's fault.
It was not Israel's fault that Iran and Iraq were at war for two decades or a decade or whatever.
dave landau
And Iraq is really there because Iran lets them.
phil labonte
Well, yeah.
Because Iran is a very big and in.
And in context, powerful country compared to whatnot.
dave landau
And then you have Americans going, why would we bomb Iran?
It's like, what?
unidentified
Because I ran, because I ran, you know, you're around here.
phil labonte
Lebanon, you know?
dave landau
Did you not understand anyhow it's it's a terrible dry place that God doesn't want you to live.
unidentified
Nothing grows there.
phil labonte
I mean, well, in Iraq, but Iran, if I understand correctly, Iran has, they've got mountains and stuff.
dave landau
That's true.
Nice.
I've never been.
Neither have I. It just, it looks awful from all the footage I've seen.
So I could be speaking out of turn.
phil labonte
Everything post 1979 seems to be kind of a mess.
tate brown
The footage, I mean, like it's getting just blown up all the time.
That's every time I see the footage.
phil labonte
In Iran?
tate brown
Yeah.
dave landau
Yeah, if you if you defend Jews now, you get called the Sionist and you're like, I don't I don't think you should be murdering Jews.
Remember how that happened?
phil labonte
And not only so not only if you defend Jews, but if you don't hate Israel.
Right, right.
Then you're a Sionist.
tate brown
Yeah.
phil labonte
Like, I catch a lot of heat because I'm not like, kill all the Jews.
dave landau
Right.
And then you hear Jews go, I'm not anti Semitic because I'm against Israel.
And you're like, I what??
So what are you then?
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
You're like, Well, I'm just pro Palestine.
Okay, what do they believe?
phil labonte
From the river to the sea.
dave landau
You want to read the Quran and tell me which part of that is pro you?
What do you think?
You're going to be saved?
phil labonte
Well, especially when it comes to people in the West, those are the same people that would say, you know, I think that I'm a queer for Palestine.
dave landau
Which is hilarious.
phil labonte
Hilarious.
Yeah, it is hilarious.
dave landau
idea that you know they and if you as we know they only have sex with children who drive them around right I don't know.
Is that what I've heard.
That's the case.
But I've heard a lot of the soldiers, the, the, I don't know what they have over there, corporals?
Sergeants?
I don't know what Hamas No offense if I live, you know, Dearborn, so near there.
I bless you, people.
Allah bless you.
Love you guys.
phil labonte
Peace be with him.
dave landau
The Quran, or as I call it, the Good Book.
tate brown
It's a bestseller.
dave landau
Oh, it's really a top drawer.
tate brown
Find all the shelves.
phil labonte
So how?
dave landau
You call it the New New Testament.
phil labonte
So that this Michael Rappapport getting cancelled though.
We were talking before the show.
It's my sense that this is an internet thing, as opposed to a locals in Birmingham thing.
I don't imagine that there are a lot of people in Birmingham that are, you know, we gotta let those hostages go.
You know, that's kind of, that's right.
tate brown
Or no, they're anti Israel.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, there's a genocide taking place.
tate brown
That's not right.
unidentified
They didn't have kids.
tate brown
We're starving.
You know, I mean, like, that's not Alex.
dave landau
Is that Jew Lover down there?
tate brown
Is that Sionist boy?
dave landau
You tell me he hates Muslims?
unidentified
It's Muslims.
dave landau
Get in the truck.
tate brown
Get in the queers for Palestine.
We're heading down there.
dave landau
Get in the truck.
We're going to go down to the Stardome and not watch the show.
phil labonte
So, I mean, it's my sense that it's kind of an internet thing, but I wonder why is it this particular location, as opposed to, you know, is he on tour, or is it they just decided, oh, get him now?
tate brown
I think progressives in Alabama.
dave landau
You're going to tell me the Nazi in Higher Learning isn't really a Nazi?
phil labonte
I mean, there's a lot, there are a lot of black people in Birmingham, and black people tend to, you know, not be filled with it.
dave landau
The Stardome is largely a black club.
phil labonte
Is it really?
dave landau
Yeah.
phil labonte
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
So do you think that's what it is, the black population in Birmingham?
dave landau
They may have just not wanted to go to the show.
I mean, I have nothing against him at all, but I mean, that could be it.
tate brown
It just sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Like, oh, I got protests.
dave landau
I mean, honestly, they could have been the two that bought tickets and they were like, We got a two for one.
We got an emailed coupon for a meet and greet.
phil labonte
You can't say no to coupon, right?
dave landau
No, I mean, you blame them.
phil labonte
I can't.
dave landau
Look how happy they are.
phil labonte
Bring those guys up.
They're excited.
dave landau
Yeah, they got there.
And even Rapport looks like, Do I have to take this picture?
tate brown
Jesus guys, ton it down.
dave landau
Come on guys.
tate brown
It's all on the nose.
dave landau
Can I get you boys a hat with a brim?
unidentified
I don't know.
dave landau
Yeah, I mean, I think if it's the real reason that people were protesting, if you're protesting outside and black people want to go to a show, they're going to go to the show.
phil labonte
I imagine.
dave landau
They're not going to go.
There's a bunch of white people who don't want us to go in.
They're going to go, Do you want to move?
Nobody, nobody has ever stopped a black group of people from getting into a concert.
Or out.
So, I don't know.
It seems like a publicity stunt.
phil labonte
I mean, maybe it is.
Maybe it is.
I don't know if there's any kind of Let's see if there's any kind of follow up to this or if this is the There should be video if there's people protesting, right?
dave landau
Yeah, you'd assume.
tate brown
Partition the auditorium.
elad eliahu
I will say he's not my favorite pro-Israel guy.
phil labonte
Why is that?
Michael Rappaport.
dave landau
He still flops a lot.
elad eliahu
I just thought he sucked before the Israel stuff.
So now post-Israel stuff, I think he just still sucks.
He's a comedian.
Like, I don't know.
Does he do shows and stuff?
tate brown
He's like, he used to do like the, when they draft the Knicks, drafted Chris Daphne Porzanis, and he was like, does he even have a green card?
It was a beautiful thing.
elad eliahu
I remember him as like a sports guy.
Yeah.
tate brown
He was kind of racist in Germany's world.
dave landau
He was in like Hopland.
He was really good.
Higher alert.
phil labonte
All comedians kind of racist.
dave landau
I mean, come on.
elad eliahu
Can you tell me about this phenomenon of all comedians just becoming geopolitical experts?
Just, I don't know, the turn of a switch.
It's all these guys because we're at Popor now too.
And it's, I don't know what It is with comedy, maybe it's about feeling really confident about while you don't know a lot about a topic.
Right.
What's going on here?
dave landau
For me particularly?
elad eliahu
No, no.
Is there something in the, and I don't know, they're giving you guys at the back of these comedy clubs.
No, I mean, a lot of world history books back there.
dave landau
I ended up, you know, tons.
I ended up on the Anthony Kumia show, gosh, 2016.
So I just started kind of looking into it and I started doing shows at Fox and meeting people.
So for me, it was kind of before all of it.
But I don't.
I learned talking to people like you.
Those that happen to be experts on it like this, I don't understand because I don't buy it.
That's why it doesn't make much sensese to me, to be honest with you.
And also, I'm kind of offended by actors who become comedians like him.
Because you're kind of going up on stage and going, hey, remember me from movies?
Well, now I do comedy.
You know what I mean?
It's like how Jeremy Piven or, you know, Dust and Diamond RIP, but it's like how they were something, now they go and do comedy.
It's just, it's odd to me because it's like you didn't start as a comic, you became one after you were that.
And I did like Mizzagga.
There's a movie called Bamboozled actually that Spike Lee did where he's the head of like the WB and he's basically just like tap dancing on a.
It's like a huge middle finger of the WB.
Like Spike Lee or not, I think it's a brilliant movie.
It's.
And yeah, and he was a really good actor.
So I don't know why he became this, but I think he just had something go viral that was political.
So he stayed in that realm.
And I think a lot of people end up doing shows where they talk about it.
So it becomes successful for them and then they stay in that angle.
But once it turns on them because he was huge left, then he switches and goes in another direction.
That's why it's hard to say what you really are.
That's why I'm fairly moderate though.
Because I don't trust either side.
And the reason I don't is because, and I've talked about this many times, my dad got Agent Orange from from Vietnam.
Got sick when I was fifteen, died when I was eighteen.
The government did nothing to help him.
I do not trust either side.
I've never seen the VA do anything for anybody.
Once our soldiers are taken care of and once I believe that a war deserves to be fought, I will.
But until then, I don't believe in any of these people.
I believe the Senate is overcrowded.
I don't believe politicians care every time you get stuck in traffic.
That's what I believe that they don't.
I believe they take our money, they overtax us, and they waste lives, and they do not care about the average human being, and they want to keep us fighting.
That's what I truly believe.
So when people go, oh, you're moderate, you might sit on a fence, I do because I do not believe I'm not partisan.
I do not believe in either of these people.
And to look at somebody, and I voted for Trump, and I've said that, but even that has now disappointed me.
And until he can prove the Epstein list, because that's something I believed in, I thought he was going to stop corruption.
I thought he was going to go after the swamp.
Well, does it get any murkier than that?
I don't think so.
So I want to see where all of this goes.
I'm so disappointed because we are polluted now with politicians, and they're nothing more than insider traders who take our money and gamble with it with tips they create themselves.
elad eliahu
It's fascinating because a lot of comedians on both sides have become some of the most potent voices when it comes to a lot of issues like this.
I don't know if it's I don't know if I'm being cynical now.
I don't know if it's just trying to get some more buzz going.
dave landau
I'm cynical, so I understand.
elad eliahu
But I don't know if it's like they're just hopping on trends, but they're doing it effectively, and a lot of these guys, their comedy is second or third to their activism.
And so I don't know if they're just straight up opportunists, just hopping on trends, or they truly care, but they are getting the most ears in a lot of these cases.
There's some leftist pro-Palestinian guy named Jacob Berger, I believe, who's very popular in that space, and he gets a lot of atten attention.
Obviously there's Dave Smith who gets a lot of attention.
There's Mike Rappapour who gets a lot of attention.
Theo Vond, whenever he talks about politics.
phil labonte
There's a requirement to voice your opinion in politics nowadays.
If you don't, you get accosted by people that are accusing you of not having the politics, the correct politics, or you get accused of being this supporter or that supporter, whatever.
So it's almost a requirement to say, look, this is how I think about these things.
And there is a kind of politically correct politics to have now.
elad eliahu
Like comedians are not even comedians anymore.
They just started to.
They're just riffing on politics.
They're just like that level political commentators.
They're sprinkling some jokes sometimes.
I know more comedians who that's like public faces though.
dave landau
That's why almost every opinion I've had tonight has been a joke.
elad eliahu
It's like, that's not a joke.
dave landau
Comedy should come first to every comic in my opinion.
elad eliahu
I agree.
dave landau
I think Dave Smith is very passionate about what he believes.
And I think that's why he's a little bit more outspoken than most people about it.
elad eliahu
And what do you think he believes?
Because I believe, again, in a very cynical way, that a lot of these guys, it's just whatever gives me the numbers, like, that's what satisfies them.
dave landau
I don't think he's chasing the numbers.
I think that he very much believes the stuff that he says.
I think that he very much believes that he does not believe in the war.
elad eliahu
Do you think he has more success as a comededian or doing his activism stuff?
phil labonte
He was very successful.
dave landau
He was a successful comedian, actually.
So I think he's kind of lost fans and gained some as a result of it.
elad eliahu
I think his numbers have very clearly shot up since he's talked about more of his activism stuff.
And I think that's he's got more likes and more.
phil labonte
He's been on the Joe Rogan podcast multiple times.
dave landau
I mean, he was on, he's been on it for so many years, it's hard to say, you know?
So, I mean, he was known for Legion of Skanks, which was that was really big with Compound.
So I think he's definitely got his fanship being in the political sphere.
But I mean, he goes back to Red Eye, he goes back to all that stuff.
So he's always been like a Bill Maher.
I mean, you can't really take the politics out of Bill Maher.
Where if you look at somebody like Carlin, that's more who I admire because that's just completely black pilled and kind of against everything.
And that's where I sit.
It's hard for me to align with anything because there's so much transparency.
elad eliahu
Here's my kind of beef with the comedians in the political realm too.
It's like you're arguing with a wet pig.
And it's like if you pin them down, it's like you're a moron who's like, you know, you're just arguing with somebody who's just making jokes all day.
And then if you lose, it's like, oh, you lost some debate to some moron who's like a comedian just making jokes.
It's a Jon Stewart did this to Tucker Carlson once on my crossfire, he's like, oh, you're taking me seriously?
Like, what kind of moron are you?
You're supposed to be the serious political guy.
So it's like, you know, engage and, you know, they win.
There's really no way.
dave landau
Stewart though holds himself as a serious political guy.
elad eliahu
Well, you don't think, you don't think like Dave Smith or even Michael Rappaport also hold themselves to be serious political guys?
They definitely do.
dave landau
I would say Dave Smith does.
So I think at the end of the day, it's not, I don't think he defends himself with that comedy angle.
I would be surprised that Jon Stewart did that.
I haven't seen that clip.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
dave landau
Because I would say that almost because going on the Daily Show, was it a while ago?
phil labonte
It was back when Tucker Carlson was on crossfire at that point.
dave landau
though, he was still a cat.
elad eliahu
No, but that's I think that's true while talking to any, having a political debate with any comedian.
I think it's still a whole.
dave landau
I think finding the humor in it though is fair.
I mean, if you're going to talk about anything in life, politics is still fair game.
So you're allowed to argue it as a comic the same way you're allowed to argue anything else.
I mean, it's the same, I mean, across the board.
I mean, if you see something wrong, you're allowed to point it out.
elad eliahu
I guess my beef is that comedians just are barely not even they're not funny anymore.
They're just yapping and bitching about politics.
dave landau
A lot yapping and bitching about politics.
elad eliahu
That's it.
It's like, thanks for your nice lecture.
You're not, you know, Dave Chappelle where you've got to that point in your career where you could just give me a long lecture and I'll think you're funny no matter whatter what, it's just like, why are you bitching and moaning on stage?
Make a joke.
dave landau
Like, the truth is, I love Dave, but I mean, I would argue that the element of that is the turnout in hour because everything's content online now.
And I would put that in movies, I would put that in a lot of things.
I think we stopped creating art and we started creating content.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think, and it's worth, it's worth noting that if you're, if you're watching a comedian stand up, then they tend to be funny.
Like, if you're watching Dave stand up, Dave looks great.
But if you're watching, like, Dave on a podcast, Dave is not doing stand up on a podcast.
And he's not on a podcast because he's a comedian, he's on a podcast because he's a libertarianan activist, almost all the time.
Like, very rarely does Dave go on to a podcast as Dave Smith the Comedian.
Like, he's a he's a funny guy and so he might crack some jokes, but he's not there specifically because of Dave Smith the Comedian.
He's there because he's a he's a political activist, he's there because he's a libertarian.
dave landau
My thing too is, if you look at, okay, if there's an authenticity to it, right?
Now, if I look at a lot of people in the right wing sphere that I've met personally, they're not authentic.
They're lying.
They're just saying something to make money.
I've met plenty of these people.
They have other people write all their stuff.
They're not actually bringing out what their natural opinion is.
You've said everything you feel today off the top of your head.
I've watched it.
There's an authenticity to you, so I believe you.
I enjoy talking to you.
It's what I felt about everybody in this room.
But I've met plenty of people who aren't that person.
So you meet so many inauthentic people in this sphere that I look at those people and go, well, isn't that the same uninformed person, but they're making 100% of what they do in this?
elad eliahu
It's a fair point.
And yes.
phil labonte
Yeah.
All right.
We're going to.
dave landau
Oh, no.
I do agree.
I mean, there are a lot of people that I do find mind-numbingly painful to watch now because of this.
Like, I wish I fell into politics sort of incidentally, but I think comedy's number one, man.
And I think it always should be for any comic.
That's how I personally feel about it.
phil labonte
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But right now, we're going to go to your Super Chats.
And I think we're going to start with some Rumble rants here.
Shane H. Wilder says Rwanda just a agreed to take up to 250 of the deported illegal aliens.
If they want them, they can have them.
They can put them in Don Cheatle's hotel.
elad eliahu
I'd rather go back to whatever South American country than Africa.
I mean, damn.
phil labonte
I mean, what are you going to share the food?
Rwanda.
But the reason that they're ostensibly the reason they're going to Africa or countries in Africa is because the countries of origin don't want them back because they're actual criminals.
Like they're the bad guys, the bad hombres that Trump has sworn to get or, you know, has said that he's going to get rid of.
So, look, I am as pro deportation as it come, as you can get.
Like send them back, send them back by the bus load, by the plane load.
I don't care.
Just send them back.
dave landau
Do you think there's any exception?
phil labonte
Personally, no.
My opinion is that everyone that's here illegally should go.
We should have a moratorium on all immigration for the next 10 years.
so that way the people that are here legally can assimilate and the only people that should be left let in are like possibly zero one visas and it shouldn't there should be There shouldn't, there should be stringent requirements to those 0-1 visas as well.
Like you have to, you can't be someone that's like, you know, if you have anti American sentiments, if you're some kind of socialist or you don't believe in America's values, then you shouldn't be allowed in.
I'm very, very strict about what we should do when it comes to, if you're hot, like a Colombian.
See, now this is the Alex Stein big booty Latina argument, and I still say no.
elad eliahu
Wow, he's not even dating a booty Latina there.
unidentified
No.
elad eliahu
And his whole, his whole stick is big booty Latina, and he has the whitest girlfriend I could ever imagine.
dave landau
No, I have to work next.
elad eliahu
It's all a fraud.
dave landau
It's aggressive.
elad eliahu
Two comedians.
You can't trust him.
dave landau
No.
Let's not call him a comedian.
No.
elad eliahu
What?
I'm Gatekeeping it now, huh?
I'm scared.
tate brown
I'm so nervous.
dave landau
Alex is a good friend of mine.
phil labonte
But yeah, I, nobody, nobody can stay.
Everyone has to go.
If you're here legally, you have to go.
And I would go so far.
dave landau
If you're like this close, you've got a family and a dog.
phil labonte
They can all go.
The dog can stay.
elad eliahu
But the kids would be kosher.
That's the issue.
They'd have anchor babies.
So the children are citizens.
You've been in the country.
phil labonte
The kids can come back when they're, when they're eighteen., like send them back with the parents.
They need their, yeah, when they're legal age to come in, then they can come back because they're, they're US citizens, but they have to leave with the parents, then they can come back.
And you can't chain migrate back either because you were here illegally.
You don't get to come back when your kids come back.
I'm the kind of guy that thinks that we should actually punish business owners that hire illegals.
And I think that if you rent your, your apartment or, you know, some kind of room or whatever, a house to an illegal, you should lose the house.
Like I'm I want to make it, I want to make it as the thing that I want is I want to make it as.
uncomfortable for illegals to be here as possible.
So that way they decide to leave of their own volition.
So that we don't have ICE going and kicking in doors and finding people and stuff.
The more difficult you make So this sounds mean, right?
But it's actually the most compassionate way to do it.
Make it incredibly difficult for them to live here, tax remittances at ninety percent, do everything you can to make it as uncomfortable and unwelcoming as here.
So that way they decide to leave on their own.
So we don't have to have ICE going and confronting people.
You have to arrest people.
You don't have to have the police interactions.
dave landau
I think the ICE shows the problem.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
I think the way if we can tone that down, that would be the best way to handle it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tate brown
So tax the remittances, you're going to save a lot of money on ICE because that's the number one thing, is people want to send money back to their to their homeland.
phil labonte
Make it.
tate brown
They'd leave themselves.
You wouldn't even have to worry about it.
phil labonte
The more difficult and more uncomfortable it is to be here as an illegal, the better.
So that way they leave on their own.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
And then like, look, man, you want to give them $1,000 to leave.
I'm good with that too.
Give them $2,000.
If you leave and you use the app and say, look, here I am in my, my home country and I left, we'll send you $2,000.
There you go.
Like the point isn't that I'm trying to hurt these people.
The point is I want as many people to that are here illegally to leave America of their own volition, buy their own plane tickets so that way ICE doesn't have to get involved and the more uncomfortable it is to be here, the more people will leave.
And then we shut the border down for a decade so that way the people that are here can assimilate.
Everybody has to learn English.
The federal government should stop making any kind of paperwork or anything in any other language.
They shouldn't provide translators.
You have to learn English because and my argument for that is because look, everybody that speaks the same language, if you understand English, you can understand the conceptcepts.
There are certain concepts and jokes that don't like, there are jokes, specifically, right, that the easiest to understand, like they don't make sense in other languages, or there are jokes that make sense in another language that don't make sense in English.
That's because of the way that language works.
So if you all speak the same language, then you can understand the same concepts in a, it's far easier for people to understand the same concepts.
So these things I think would actually make people that are here illegally leave, and it'll make sure that we can become a country that is less divided because we all share more commonality.
dave landau
Good answer.
phil labonte
Thank you.
Anyways, let's see.
Mike the Wop says, I liked him, but when he's gone, it's like the teacher is out.
There's a substitute and you get to fool around, clank.
Oh, you're a clanker.
That's he's talking about.
He's talking about the Rizzler.
unidentified
AI.
elad eliahu
The Rizzler.
phil labonte
Hex and hammer.
No, stick.
elad eliahu
I thought that was a slur.
tate brown
I thought it was a slur for Roblox.
phil labonte
No, the spoon.
elad eliahu
Dirty clankers coming for a job.
tate brown
Yeah, the wirebacks.
phil labonte
No, he's a fan of Sticks, Sticks, Hex and Hammer.
And Sticks is great.
He's great.
elad eliahu
Should have him on the show.
phil labonte
I don't know that he travels, but.
elad eliahu
Shout out to Sticks.
unidentified
Stick's great.
phil labonte
No, he's a YouTube personality.
elad eliahu
Political commentator.
Usually doesn't wear a shirt, I believe.
phil labonte
Eccentric.
He's the cool guy.
dave landau
Bert.
tate brown
Nice.
phil labonte
Let's see.
SH 22 says, this is what happens when you have women left to raise their kids alone, be it from death, jail, criminal enterprise.
No positive male role model leads the way to this crap in DC.
I mean, look, man.
There's a lot of people that complain about toxic masculinity and stuff, but like young men are raised by single mothers and they're instructed by women in school.
So if the problem is young men.
who's teaching these young men?
It's not positive male role models, you know?
dave landau
Yeah.
I mean, a dad needs to be involved in a kid's life just as much.
And if they choose to be out of it, that's on them.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And like, if you choose to be out of your kid's life, you're a garbage.
Yeah.
You're a bad person.
dave landau
Right.
There's been nothing better for me than having a kid.
phil labonte
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I'll take that a little bit further.
You need to marry your baby mama or your scumbag.
phil labonte
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Take care of that kid for at least eighteen years and then divorce.
dave landau
Otherwise, pretend.
Just pretend in front of the kids.
elad eliahu
Pretend to be one of those.
Well, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
tate brown
LARPing, it's LARPing.
phil labonte
Yeah, you shouldn't be boning women that you sneak out to one of those wax shacks.
dave landau
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Get a little rubbing tiger.
I mean, look, any closet and an internet connection is a is a is one of those wax shacks nowadays.
dave landau
Yeah, that's true.
Just you and another cleaning each other's beard.
You know what I mean.
phil labonte
Michael McCord says they need a RICO-like charge for adults who can...
That's not a bad idea.
dave landau
I think that's a very good idea.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Some kind of, some kind of, you know, something to say you're committing, you're, you know, you're committing.
this crime as well as the child.
elad eliahu
I don't I don't disagree, but I don't think this is stopping the quote unquote youth from the youth.
DC crimes and stuff.
tate brown
Like a New York Post article.
dave landau
I was a juvenile criminal though, so I What kind of crime?
Well, murder.
Drugs, alcohol.
Not much murder.
phil labonte
Not much.
dave landau
Just a weed.
phil labonte
Just a small amount.
elad eliahu
When weed was bad.
phil labonte
The normal amount of murder.
elad eliahu
When weed was very illegal.
I don't know.
Twenty years ago, I don't know.
dave landau
Super illegal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
Oh no.
It was very illegal.
You had to go to terrible places to get it.
Now you just walk into a store.
phil labonte
You had to go to terrible places.
elad eliahu
Everywhere.
phil labonte
Like the mall.
tate brown
You had to avoid CBS.
dave landau
Yeah, yeah, now you just walk into Kroger.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
You use your card for gas points.
tate brown
It's a nursery.
dave landau
Yeah, it's nuts.
But yeah, I think it's, I think you should get a chance though, depending on where you were raised, what's going on in your house.
I think you deserve an opportunity to turn your life around at that age.
But if you are of an age where you're 30 something years old convincing kids to go out and do this stuff, you should absolutely catch a RICO charge for that.
That is trafficking.
phil labonte
Yeah, something.
mean something.
dave landau
Not that it's I'm not saying it'll stop these kids from doing illegal things, but I think it'll stop some.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't know that it's a deterrent.
I do like the idea of.
it being a punishment though.
Like I think that most criminals don't look at the law as a deterrent.
If they're if they're the kind of person that's going to break the law, they're going to break the law regardless.
tate brown
Prison fundamentally isn't a deterrent.
It's just it's about incapacitation.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, it's literally about taking the most violent people in our society off the streets and moving and taking and isolating the rest.
tate brown
That's why like when they plead insanity, it doesn't make sense.
We're like, I'm too insane to go to jail.
It's like, no, you're like the person.
unidentified
Right.
elad eliahu
So I mean, perfect candidate to go to jail.
tate brown
You're too insane to sit in cordole.
dave landau
Well, then you should be put on lithium and locked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Definitely taken off the streets.
dave landau
Well, I also think if you look at like a 14-year-old and then look at high school and think about how long that was for you, think of the idea that you don't get how short of a period of time that is in that time frame.
That's forever for you.
You can learn a lesson in that amount of time.
It's not like it's now.
It's not like you have a grasp of time.
When you're that old, you still have an opportunity to change yourself.
And I know a lot of people who have.
elad eliahu
It's beautiful.
Story of redemption.
unidentified
Exactly.
elad eliahu
Beautiful.
dave landau
They are real.
Some of them are.
Not Rudy.
That guy, he didn't do shit.
Come on.
You nag somebody until they let you play and you go around talking about how you did something.
Rudy didn't do shit.
phil labonte
Ruffio 1804 says, Ahoy, Dave.
dave landau
Ahoy.
phil labonte
I love Normworld and I'm buying a fuzzy memoir tonight.
You are the man.
dave landau
Thank you.
phil labonte
That's your book, correct?
dave landau
My book, Party of One, a fuzzy memoir.
phil labonte
Where can they find it?
dave landau
They can find it on amazon.com and the audiobook is coming out at the end of the month.
phil labonte
Did you do the audiobook?
dave landau
Yes, I'm working on it right now.
Awesome.
But I'm trying to add some stuff to it so it's not just reading, make it a little bit more unique.
phil labonte
Adlibbing.
dave landau
A little adlibbing and then I'm going to add a little bit of some music stuff to it.
phil labonte
Oh, nice.
dave landau
And just some sound effects making it a little bit different.
And, you know, like police brutality and some other things I went through.
But it's about my different arrests, stuff that I had to deal with, being locked in a mental hospital, stuff like that.
phil labonte
Okay.
Well, Malio says it's mortgage fraud because he claimed both his California home and Maryland home were both his primary residence.
We can live and work in Maryland.
He can live and work in Maryland as a congressman, but he called it his primary for better local, for better loan terms.
Yeah, we were talking about that.
Look, man, I do think that...
I'm not a fan of Adam Schiff.
I think that the whole Russia thing was garbage and he was one of the most guilty of pushing that narrative.
So if they want to make his life miserable because the process is the punishment, I'm all for it.
dave landau
He's got gay face.
phil labonte
He does have gay face.
elad eliahu
We love that in California.
Yeah, that's why he's a senator.
phil labonte
That tastes funny.
elad eliahu
Is he straight?
dave landau
I don't, I mean, he might pretend to be.
There's no way though with those cheeks.
It looks like he's storing semen for the winter.
phil labonte
Wyatt Claydenberg says, Alad, the feds could only convict Al Capone for tax evasion.
He murdered people.
Sometimes you have to get them for whatever you can.
elad eliahu
Sometimes you just have to get him for mortgage fraud.
unidentified
I mean, whatever it has to be.
elad eliahu
That's all you could get sometimes.
You have to Yeah, you could get.
dave landau
They also let him out of Alcatraz because his brain was rotting from incurable syphilis and he was fishing in his pool.
phil labonte
Oh, wow.
dave landau
It's true.
tate brown
That's wild.
dave landau
Yeah.
unidentified
Nice.
dave landau
Yeah, can you imagine, and they were all watching him like the feds, and they're like, I don't think we need to watch.
There's no way he's pretending all day.
phil labonte
Josh O says, All that remains is a favor band.
Thank you very much, sir.
Found Timcast by your stuff.
As a cop, I have enjoyed y'all's content.
There are some things y'all say about cops I 100% agree with.
Love y'all and you too, Dave.
dave landau
Thank you.
elad eliahu
That's funny because I think we trash cops on this show a relative amount.
The other day I was on, Tim was like, NYPD, yeah, they're a bunch of comics.
So, thank you for we love law enforcement here.
ICE, you guys are doing a great job.
phil labonte
Josh is like, yeah, they are though.
So, there you go.
elad eliahu
This is the show for you.
phil labonte
Coffee Jerk 85 says, Reanimating a Dead Teenager just to have them voice over your political views to the public is friggin' ghoulish.
I'll take 19 over 84 over this S any day.
I do think ghoulish is the proper term for that.
It's pretty gross.
dave landau
Hey, you should only reanimate a Dead Teenager for sex.
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Right?
dave landau
I mean, I think we all know that.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, you're kind of preaching to the guy.
dave landau
I mean, eighteen, but yeah, thank you.
I mean, I'm not saying under.
phil labonte
Of course.
tate brown
Right, of course.
dave landau
How old was Sean Benay?
Eighteen, right?
phil labonte
I don't know.
Man, if she's not, I better have some hard drives to break three years of hard work oh boy oh boy and I do mean hard that is not a floppy disk let's see Bushido Kai says by that logic if you're pro-Israel you're anti-Christian why don't you ask the average Israeli what they think of Christians a Jew can't be A
Jew can be an anti-Sionist and not anti-Jew.
What do you think of Christians a lot?
elad eliahu
Where'd this guy come from?
I love Christians and the Jewish state exists due to the continued support of Christians.
The Christians are the Jews keepers in this planet.
There's not enough Jews to be able to do it by ourselves.
So if we didn't have, we're definitely not getting the support from Muslims, and there are billions of them.
So, you know, the Jews and the Israeli state, the state of Israel exists to the good blessings and hard support from Christians.
dave landau
Well, and it's pretty clear that they want everyone dead who's not them.
phil labonte
Who is they?
dave landau
Muslim.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
dave landau
That's not being, I'm not being racist.
I'm being not even saying get rid of them or anything against them.
I'm just saying that is the actual goal of the Quran is that they should inherit the earth.
tate brown
They have a whole PVP enabled server.
They should just stay there.
Out of Europe, out of America.
elad eliahu
And the quick tidbit, the way that anti-Israel sentiment manifests in our country is mostly from the left thinking that Israel is white and right-wing coded.
That's the reason why far left is Satan Israel, because they believe Israel are white people.
So I think it's a fascinating, I don't know, coalition we have of some people on the far right and some people on the far left being anti-Israel.
Israel when for all other intents and purposes these people should absolutely hate each other.
phil labonte
How much crap do you get from grojpers and stuff on the internet?
elad eliahu
Not, not much.
I don't, I mean, I just post my journalism too.
So, you know, my reporting, I think, speaks for itself.
phil labonte
But you don't really interact on the old name.
elad eliahu
No, no, I'm not yapping on Twitter.
I feel like people posture all day on Twitter.
It's brain rotting stuff, frankly.
dave landau
Isn't the number one name in Ireland, Mohammed?
Uh, I believe that doesn't say something.
phil labonte
So, I don't know about Ireland, but I believe that definitely.
dave landau
Okay, so, yeah, so yeah, you have like Mohammed O'Reilly.
That's a problem, right?
phil labonte
Uh, Raymond G. Stanley junior says k, Killer show, Dave is leading the revolution.
dave landau
Oh, thank you.
So I don't know where that's going.
tate brown
Where are we going after that?
dave landau
Where are we going?
McDonald's?
phil labonte
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dave landau
Can I pick up a thing real quick?
phil labonte
Yeah, absolutely.
We were about to get there.
dave landau
Oh, good.
Dave, do you have anything to interrupt you?
phil labonte
If you have anything you want to plug?
dave landau
Sorry.
Yes, please.
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It was one of my first ones called In Defense of Kwame Kilpatrick.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to jump in.
That's quite right.
phil labonte
You have an X account or anything?
dave landau
I do.
It's at Landau Dave.
And yeah, that's Instagram, I think, is similar.
Just go to davelanda.com.
It'll guide you.
phil labonte
Perfect.
dave landau
It'll guide you where you want to go.
phil labonte
Awesome.
tate brown
There you go.
Yeah, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Realtate Brown.
They're doing a lot of shows randomly.
So yeah, follow me on there.
I'll let you know.
phil labonte
It's because of that sickness that's been going around.
tate brown
For whatever reason, I'm just immune.
I think I have antibodies or I got the J and J vaccine, maybe that's what it is.
phil labonte
There you go.
dave landau
It's good.
It's a heartstopper.
tate brown
Yeah, it's a good one.
phil labonte
A lot.
elad eliahu
No, you're just next up, Tate.
That's what it is.
I just realized all of you guys are wearing hats, by the way.
A lot Eliyahu, White House correspondent.
Recently, I've also been doing a lot of coverage outside of New York City immigration courts, witnessing ICE detain illegal aliens, which has been very dramatic, thrilling work.
All of that is on my Twitter and Instagram.
Thank you guys for tuning in.
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tomorrow.
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Yo.
Tell me when we're good.
phil labonte
Oh, we're good.
Oh, we're good.
Hey, guess what?
We're going to talk about nuclear reactors on the Moon.
So the hills reporting, Duffy confirms fast track plan to build nuclear reactor on the Moon.
Transportation Secretary and Interim NASA Administration Sean Duffy outlined the Space Agency's fast track plan to build a nuclear reactor on the Moon on Tuesday.
We're in a race to the Moon, in a race with China to the Moon, and to have a base on the Moon.
We need energy.
And some of the key locations on the Moon, we're going to get solar power, but this fission technology is critically important, and so we've spent a hundred million dollars.
studying, Duffy said during a Department of Transportation press conference.
Can we do it?
We are now going to move beyond studying and we are going to be given direction to go, Duffy added.
Let's start to deploy our technology to move to actually make this a reality.
This is crazy.
What do you think a lot?
You're pretty science skeptical.
elad eliahu
No, I wouldn't say science skeptical.
I'm actually fascinated by science.
I studied biology in college for no good reason.
I thought I was going to be a doctor or some shit.
What a dumb idea.
But this is actually, this makes total sense because how else would there, what else would a good energy source, an easy good energy source on the moon b.
I think the future of energy is nuclear energy.
I think what's missing from our current energy solution is nuclear energy.
phil labonte
I agree.
Do you think that going to Mars is a good endeavor?
elad eliahu
Yes, and I think the most effective way to do so is using nuclear energy as fuel for it.
So right now we have dozens of nuclear submarines, right?
And I believe nuclear tech is the future and the safest way to continue our endeavors and energy use.
phil labonte
What do you say to people like Elon Musk that say we need to have AI and built into robots in order to start a Mars colony.
elad eliahu
Repeat that.
We need AI.
phil labonte
We need AI robots.
We need Optimus with at least a form of general AI in order to begin colonizing Mars because the Martian environment is extremely hostile to humans.
There's a lot of radiation.
It's very cold.
There's not a lot of water.
We need to send robots that can begin to build the base that will house humans.
What do you say to that?
elad eliahu
I say people like you are.
clanker fucking supremacists and we need to stop letting robots take the jobs of real colonizers.
Real American colonizers.
Americans need to be colonizing and settling Mars and the Moon, not these clanker bots taking our job.
phil labonte
All right.
elad eliahu
Get these bots out of here.
We used to manifest destiny, not with robots.
unidentified
Okay.
elad eliahu
It was good.
It was hardworking American settlers that we were proud of colonizing.
unidentified
Things.
elad eliahu
Now it's like, Hey, wafer heads out.
If the robots colonized Mars for us, did we even really colonize Mars or was it the clankers that really did it?
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
phil labonte
You retard.
elad eliahu
No, no.
tate brown
I'm sick of these, these grease crickets.
elad eliahu
Get them out of here.
These clanks, get them out!
Land out, land out.
If robots conquer Mars for us, did we conquer Mars?
Are we colonizing Mars if the clankers got there and are actually doing it?
If there are no humans on Mars and it's just robots doing the colonization, are we colonizing Mars or are the clankers?
dave landau
It's just Johnny Five Cavs with nobody in them.
elad eliahu
What's that?
dave landau
It's total recall.
There's no three-titted women.
tate brown
Yeah.
Good point.
dave landau
See what I'm saying?
I'm with you.
We didn't conquer anything.
phil labonte
So the argument is we're talking about a nuclear reactor or there's no argument.
We're talking about a nuclear reactor on the moon.
We're talking about a nuclear reactor on the moon.
And Elod, who is AI skeptical, was like, yes, this is a good idea.
And I replied with, well, do you believe that we should go to Mars?
And he said, again, yes.
And then I said, well, what would you say to someone that says, look.
The foundation for a human colony on Mars needs to be built by robots because the environment is so incredibly hostile.
dave landau
So on Mars?
elad eliahu
Yeah.
phil labonte
So currently the plan, Tesla's plan, Musk's plan is to use Optimus robots with AI.
dave landau
Prime.
phil labonte
No, not Prime.
Oh, Optimus.
Optimus Prime is probably a decade or two away.
But the Optimus robots that could actually go to Mars, he's planning, hoping that those are available and functional next year at the end of the year when the window to actually send a Starship to Mars is open.
dave landau
Okay.
phil labonte
So he's planning on using Optimus robots to lay the foundation for, you know, and do two years worth of work because the window to send a spaceship to Mars only opens every two years.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
So he's hoping to send a starship, at least one, possibly more to Mars with Optimus robots to begin laying the foundation of a Mars colony.
So that way the next time the window opens, we can send the first manned crew to Mars.
So it would be if everything were to go perfectly for Musk, twenty twenty six, a couple starships go to Mars, land, and they start building.
And then twenty twenty eight would be when humans go to start working, I don't know how many it would be, but that's the argument.
So if the case is the AI is necessary to have those robots.
start doing the work.
Would you say that it's something that's pie in the sky or would you say it's something that's a worth the cause?
Because again, the reason it started is because AI, because a lot is AI skeptical.
dave landau
I think I just saw an article where a guy got in a fender bender and his Tesla shot down and caught fire and he burned to death in his cyber truck.
So I'm going to say I'm skeptical because they asked the Tesla company what happened and they were like, yeah, it happens.
So I'm going to say it probably can't be done.
phil labonte
Can't be done at all.
dave landau
I mean, it could be done theoretically, but see, I believe the moon thing my whole life, and now I think Kubrick did it.
phil labonte
Oh, you don't think we went to the moon?
dave landau
I don't know.
I'm pretty skeptical now.
I'm not saying I don't know for sure.
I guess I shouldn't say flat out I think Kubrick did it, but now there's so many different stories that I hear that I now question it, and I never thought I would.
phil labonte
So the reason I still believe or one of the reasons why I believe it's the shag carpeting in that rocket ship.
I believe that the whole of the space program was really about building accurate IBC, IBC, ICBMs.
Intercontinental ballistic missiles.
So a rocket is the same thing as an intercontinental ballistic missile.
If you can get a rocket to the moon and land it and get it back, you can definitely get a nuclear warhead to Moscow.
And I think that was the motivating factor for basically the entire space race was being able to deliver nuclear missiles to Russia without having to put them in bombers and fly over the So it's kind of like saying, Hey Russia, look what we did.
And then Russia was trying to do the same thing.
The whole point of the space race was actually to be able to deliver nuclear weapons.
dave landau
It was Dick swinging.
phil labonte
Yes.
dave landau
Yeah, okay.
Well, if that's true, you kind of got my attention.
elad eliahu
So I had a, I think the bigger question here is that theoretically, if possible, do you think that Elon Musk would impregnate a robot if he could?
tate brown
Oh, yeah, dude.
elad eliahu
And then how many?
dave landau
I don't think he'd stop.
elad eliahu
Exactly.
So I think this should be our bigger concern.
If Musk is able to go through with all his robot projects and send in robots to Mars, they would all be Musk bots.
Okay.
phil labonte
And he'd just be sending all of his impregnated robots to not base our interplanetary policies on Elon Musk's sex life.
tate brown
You'd be surprised.
phil labonte
We should not do that.
elad eliahu
If he's the one setting the rocket, yeah, he can freaking smash whatever's written.
dave landau
I don't know.
serge du preez
It kind of sus he made that like Annie.
Yeah.
Companion on sex or whatever.
Like that's super subtle.
elad eliahu
Hey, can you, what is that?
I don't know what that is.
serge du preez
That's good.
It's the, that's like the companion.
It's the horny.
elad eliahu
Like Grock, but your girlfriends?
phil labonte
Yeah.
dave landau
Yeah, it's the horny robot.
phil labonte
It's the horny robot.
elad eliahu
But just horny chat.
It's a, well, it's a, she can't, she can't.
phil labonte
She doesn't actually.
elad eliahu
No, no, it's not a she, it's a robot.
dave landau
It's a robot.
tate brown
It's a lady robot.
dave landau
It is a lady robot, but now they want to build them with personalities and it's like, why?
You You might as well just make it Helen Keller.
You don't need to get to know the thing.
phil labonte
I mean, yeah.
tate brown
Annie and have you ever met a woman?
dave landau
Right.
Like, what about you just make it so it gets wet and it doesn't electrocute you?
I mean, these are the goals.
phil labonte
I'm, I am, I am.
tate brown
It's like a new space race.
phil labonte
I am of the opinion that the main, I'm of the opinion that the main obstacle to actual sex robots is self cleaning.
Once they can do that, oh yeah.
And they'll be like, oh okay, yeah, I'll buy it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave landau
Once you get, don't get an UTI every time you have to.
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