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phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Over the weekend, Texas Democrats fled the state in order to avoid a quorum because the Republican efforts are looking to do some early redistricting.
		Now, the Texas House has greenlit arrest warrants for the Democrats who fled.
		And Democrat governors across the country are looking to get into this with Kathy Hochul having...
		So we're going to get into that.
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		So would you please introduce yourself and tell everyone what you do?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I'm Ellie Buffkin.
		I'm a director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, but I'm a journalist.
		I've worked around DC, New York for Fox News, for The Federalists, The Washington Examiner and Town Hall for the last ten years or so.
		So kind of started with Trump back in the day.
		So yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Awesome.
		Well, thanks for coming.
		Shane is here.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Hello, hello.
		I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live.
		Tonight I'll be running out of here around 9:40 to go live on my show on YouTube and Rumble.
		We're going to have a big night.
		We're going to talk about a giant blob that's underground moving towards New York City.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Of what?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't know yet.
		We're going to find out tonight.
		We got a thirty year old frozen embryo that was just born.
		We're definitely going to talk about that tonight.
		And a nuclear reactor on the moon, if it's real., how are you doing well?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's producer Tate Brown, occasional host of the morning show whenever Tim's voice is shot.
		So, did that today.
		Had a lot of fun.
		Good to see everyone again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, we're going to get right into it.
		This is breaking from the post millennial Texas House greenlights arrest warrants for Democrats who fled the state to avoid redistricting votes.
		Texas Democrat lawmakers have defied Greg Abbott's deadline to return to the state legislature to allow a vote on redistricting congressional boundaries.
		As a result, Abbott has ordered for those members to be arrested.
		Abbott warned late Sunday that he would pursue legal action to remove the lawmakers from office if they failed to return to Austin by Monday, august fourth, twenty twenty five to vote on the proposal.
		Abbott on Monday also directed the Texas Rangers to investigate fleeing Texas House Democrats for potential bribery and any other potential legal violations connected to their refusal to appear for a quorum, conduct business, and cast votes, Abbott said.
		That investigation should extend to anyone who aided or abetted such potential crimes.
		Abbott's pressure follows a walkout by Democrats seeking to deny the Texas House a quorum, the minimum number of legislators required to conduct business.
		By leaving the state, Democrats effectively froze all legislative activity during a special session set to expire later this month.
		The primary objective was to halt a GOP drawn congressional map that could secure five additional U. S. House seats for Republicans in the twenty twenty six midterm elections.
		All right, so normally the redistricting happens after the census, which is scheduled for twenty thirty, I believe.
		So the fact that the Republicans are looking to do redistricting now, it is early, clearly.
		But I don't know if there's any kind of historical precedent for this.
		Can you actually speak to this?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can't name the exact instances, but it's not unprecedented and it's not federally prohibited.
		It's unusual.
		It's unorthodox.
		And this is kind of what they're standing on right now.
		But certainly when, you know, in my experience and what I've read about when there's a huge population shift, which has been in Texas, especially since 2020, we're talking about the pandemic, we're talking about people fleeing blue states like New York and California primarily and heading to Texas.
		This is obviously something that would be advantageous for, you know, the Republican Party.
		They're looking, they see that there's a lot more red than there was before.
		And quite frankly, if we're talking about a, you know, a democratic republic, then the people who live there should be represented fairly by their congressional map.
		And that's what they're going for.
		2030 is quite a long way away.
		And they want to give the people their proper representation in the in the Congress.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So there's a lot of argument that I hear from the Democrats that are like, oh, well, you know, this is, this is, this is not right.
		There shouldn't be gerrymandering and gerrymandering is so, so bad and such a big deal.
		But yet gerrymandering has been the norm literally since this, what, third president, right?
		Madison's vice president, isn't I forget his last name was Jerry.
		And that's where the term gerrymandering comes from.
		This is something that the Democrats have actually mastered and they've really squeezed as much of the juice out of the process of gerrymandering as they possibly can.
		So this is a reaction to a change in the demographic or in the population by the Republicans.
		And the Democrats are really in a position where they can't do anything about it.
		Isn't that the case?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		That is the case.
		And unfortunately, their hands are tied because they know that the maps are going to be drawn against them because that's who live in the state.
		Now, it's extremely hypocritical.
		If you look at any blue state map, Illinois is a great example of gerrymandering gone crazy.
		New York is another great example.
		Why would Jerry Nadler's district be in South Brooklyn and then also on the Upper West Side?
		It's kind of wild, but you know, they know what they're doing.
		So for them to come out and say, like, this is unconstitutional and, you know, this is wrong, it's like, we need to remember, like, who the pot is and who the kettle is in this situation.
		It is how it's been done, as you said, you know, for quite a long time.
		You know, and it's part of the game.
		Is it fair?
		I mean, I think that we can all look at times, you know, depending on your own political stripes, where you would say, that's not fair, absolutely because it's going to work against me.
		But at the end of the day, and I think that even when, you know, as a conservative, even when I'm in the defensive and I see that there's a lot of blue people, you see a state like New York, it's sad that it's it's become what it's become, but it it is there.
		They they have that representation.
		They have the voters to support that kind of thing and Texas has the same thing now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and to be fair, it's not that just the Democrats have gerrymandered, you know, districts.
		It's something the Republicans have done as well, which is part of the reason why I think it stems from the fact that, you know, it is such a a foundational piece of American politics that the fact that changing the district to better.
		To better produce the results that you want, you know, you want to see is something that has been happening for almost as long as we've had the Republic.
		I mean, what do you think, Shane?
		Do you think this is something that we can actually expect reasonable discourse over or is it going to be just people running around with their heads unreasonable discourse?
		I'm asking.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		With these people?
		No, no, they're screeching because they're not in power.
		And I think they have to yield this power right now.
		I think Texas was, is turning purple.
		It might be purple, right?
		Like, so they do what they have to do.
		You're talking about New York, my old state.
		Those people in upstateate New York are not represented.
		The city changes the entire vote.
		So it feels like when you're living there on Upstate New York, anything north of the city, there's pockets of blue here and there, but it's completely wasted.
		Your vote means nothing because New York City ruins it.
		But yeah, it's another victim of redistricting and everything.
		So I don't reasonable discourse, I don't think you can expect anything reasonable from the left and the right to some degree as well.
		Because right now, we're like Hochul's literally calling this a war.
		She's using that kind of language.
		So I'm not surprised that they're going to act this way.
		That's what they do when they're freaking out.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		She's right.
		I mean, you gotta play the game.
		I mean, like the GOP, like you look at North Carolina, that's probably like one of the worst exampleses of gerrymandering in the country and that was us, that was the GOP.
		But it's like, yeah, you have to play the game because if you put your tools down they're not and they feel the other way around.
		It's pretty annoying seeing some Republicans that are like, guys, guys, we're the party of principles.
		We can't, we can't fall into this trap.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Principles.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're going to principle our way into destruction.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Principles our way into this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Principles lose, period.
		I mean, if you're too principled to play the game that's being played, you will lose.
		The people that want to be left alone will lose to the people that want to actually exercise power every single time.
		And I see it all the time, especially as a reformed libertarian..
		You know, like the libertarians love to say, well, you know, I'm a libertarian and you don't do that.
		You know, we don't use the government for this and we don't use the government for that.
		And I would love if that were the reality that we live.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But we don't live in that reality.
		We live in the world where if you don't exercise power, when you have access to power, you can guarantee that your political foes are going to exercise power.
		And that is going to possibly destroy your way of life.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And they're not afraid to use that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They love using that power.
		That's why they're screeching so crazy right now because they're out of power to some degree.
		And they're losing their minds.
		They're going to rile up their base to make it sound like this is worse than that Pearl Harbor.
		This is D-Day all over again.
		that's the language they constantly use to scare people.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But one second, we've got this video from, from Texas representative, uh, Here we go.
dustin burrows ▲ ● ▼		85 yes and 6 nays.
		The motion prevails.
		The sergeant-at-arms and any officers appointed by her are directed to send for all absentees whose attendance is not excused for the purposes of securing and maintaining their attendance under warrant of arrest if necessary until further order of the House.
		Members, under the rules, while the House is under a call, any member who wishes to leave the hall must have written permission of the Speaker.
		The Chair is providing.
		written permission to be entered in the journal for each member registered as present on today's roll call to leave the chamber and return tomorrow at 1 p.m.
		Please return at the appointed time.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Based.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		So the gavel's great.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Gavel's based in the little Jeopardy Bill.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's like clownish.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is a great example of, you know, exercising power when you have it.
		If they follow through, of course.
		You know, it's one thing to say, make remarks from the floor of the State House.
		It's different to actually have things in motion and actually happening.
		But I personally would love to see, you know, the Texas delegate, the Texas representatives that left, I'd love to see them get arrested.
		I think it would be civil., so it would be some kind of a slap on the wrist.
		No one's going to actually spend any time in jail, agreed.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But they're also going to use it if they're smart.
		It's good PR for them.
		You know, being arrested now, politicians being arrested, their mugshot, it's great PR.
		I don't know if that PR will help them in their path, the way it helped Trump with his path, his mugshot, but they see that as a way to move forward.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we had Tony Ortiz on the show today.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He current revolts like a Texas paper exclusively.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Talking about exactly what you're saying is that, okay, it's going to be great for us, but also Trump's the big boogeyman for them.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And so being prosecuted by Trump is going to be such a play for you if you're Yeah, it looks good for your base.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Does this turn into, I mean, does this activate the base in the same way that Trump's, you know, mug shot activated the conservative base?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think they've lost a lot of capital in that.
		I think that four years ago, yes.
		I think during the first Trump administration, yes.
		And in fact, they did this four years ago, in 2021, over a voting ID law.
		And the threats came, it kind of fizzled out.
		They returned, they voted.
		It was over.
		I mean, and it's, and even then, they got more attention then.
		And I remember, you know, I was, I think I was working at Fox then and we covered it and it was like, ha ha ha, you know, like these guys, like leaving the city and camping out in Illinois or wherever they were.
		Yeah..
unidentified		DC.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		And, uh, and, uh, you know, they did it.
		They did it before, long ago.
		And like, in 2003, they did it twice over redistricting.
		So this is a, this is a card that they know how to play.
		And I think, unfortunately, they're not going to see the return.
		I mean, I could be wrong, but I think you're right.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think gerrymandering doesn't rile up their base as much as like abortion does.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, and also, like, this is not a good gauge of base either.
		Because the only reason this happens so much in Texas, this really only happens in Texas is because for a quorum, you need two thirds to be present where pretty much every other state's half.
		So they could pull this card basically like, over, you know, if they change the lunch time or something, they could, you know.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Who does Beto work think?
		Yeah.
		Someone I really need to hear from.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm eating the Illinois dirt seemed like he was like, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Beto or I heard that the Democrats were running and he's like, I'm running too.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		He's in it, man.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's in the dirt up in Chicago.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's got like K-sugs in it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He was dying to do anything at all to be a public figure.
		He tried everything, Senate, state rep, no, and he lost everything.
		And I can't.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		He won the first time.
		I mean, he was in Congress at one time.
		He gave that up.
		His ambitions got too big.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They gave David Hogg more power than they gave me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They did, didn't they?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Brutal.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Brutal.
		That is also interesting.
		You've seen a lot of white people pretend to be black, but when have you ever seen a white person LARP as Hispanic?
		I mean, I mean, Alec Baldwin's wife and the Yeah, yeah, hilario.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's like the two big ones.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's the ice.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's tougher these days.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's more dangerous.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you gotta watch me.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I know.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		My name's Robert.
unidentified		Sorry.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what you're talking about, man.
		Why don't we go to the story?
		Kathy Hochel says that New York is exploring every option to redraw our state congressional lines to counteract Texas's new map.
		New York governor Kathy Hochel hosted Texas Democrat lawmakers at the state Capitol on Wednesday after the lawmakers fled their state in order to deny Republican lawmakers the quorum needed to pass a redistricting proposal during her speech., Hochel said that she and other New York lawmakers were exploring options to conduct redistricting in the state to counteract redistricting in Texas.
		I have a news flash for Republicans in Texas.
		This is no longer the Wild West.
		We're not going to tolerate our democracy being stolen in a modern day state's co-size by a bunch of law breaking cowboys.
		This is that she's just laying it on thick there.
		Americans don't want a system that's stacked against them.
		They believe in fairness.
		It's fundamental.
		And I'll tell you this, they're done with the chaos.
		They're done with the cruelty.
		And I would say they're ready to vote Republicans out of power in Washington, certainly in the upcoming 2026 elections.
		Are you sure about that, Cat?
		Circle the wagon.
		I know.
		I'm surprised she didn't go there.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's funny because up until she says to vote out Republicans, it sounds like she's describing the Trump base, right?
		I mean, it actually exactly describes what happened and why Trump came to power in the first place.
		Because people do feel like they're disenfranchised, people do feel like they're not being listened to, and that's exactly why this is the way that it is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And this lady is a psychopath.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what she has.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I fled New York as she was in a church saying, We need you to be our apostles.
kathy hochul ▲ ● ▼		I have news flash for Republicans in Texas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what she has to say.
kathy hochul ▲ ● ▼		I have news flash for Republicans in Texas.
		This is no longer the Wild West.
		We're not going to tolerate our democracy being stolen in a modern day stagecoach hoist by a bunch of lawbreaking cowboys.
unidentified		Yeah!
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They can sound awesome.
kathy hochul ▲ ● ▼		Americans don't want a system that's stacked against them.
		They believe in fairness.
		It's fundamental.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
kathy hochul ▲ ● ▼		I'd say this.
		They're done with the chaos.
		They're done with the cruelty.
		And I would say they're ready to vote Republicans out of power in Washington, certainly in the upcoming 2026 elections.
unidentified		Okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So the Republicans want to vote.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's four minutes long.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You get the.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They made her in the same laboratory they made Pelosi.
		It's just like a newer version.
		I never realized that they, hey, look, they're witchy similar.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		American Sports World, she's just like the newer model.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They do this thing where they have like a LARP, like they're working class.
		So the speech writer is like so obnoxious.
		Like, oh yeah, this is how people talk, like out in the country.
		And it's like the worst, or and then the worst is on the Republican side when they make all the guys try to emulate Trump.
		Like they did with the Santus, is they would like, because Trump, you know, he's like, I'm gonna rough him up.
		And everyone's like, yeah.
		And then they had the Santus come out and they're like, we're gonna snip their throat.
		I was like, whoa, what's wrong with you?
		You're like, oh.
		And the same thing, they're like, they're a bunch of swashbuckling cowboys.
		They're all with the E. Like, yeah, that sounds sick.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		He talks about engines in the next.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		We're gonna scalp them.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		The only person who can pull this off is Trump though.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Nobody can exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's like, why is Ricky Gervaise the only person who can make age jokes work?
		Like, nobody knows.
		It's the same thing.
		Like, only Trump can talk like this.
		Everyone else sounds masochistic and terrifying.
		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And she's like, Americans care about fairness.
		I'm like, are you new here?
		This is a country of temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
		I will switch on everyone if it means a million dollars.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You give me a fairness.
		I mean, that's the argument that I make all the time.
		Like, Americans care about, like, kitchen table issues.
		They care about, can I pay my bills?
		Can I afford to get my kids into the school that I wanted to go in?
		Like everybody cares about their wallet and that, and everything else that they say they care about is tertiary to their wallet.
		Even now with the gen, with Gen X being, you know, favorable to socialist policies, they're not favorable to actual communism because they don't, they don't conceptualize actual communism.
		They think I'm going to get free stuff and that's good because I can't afford to pay my bill.
		if the average Gen Z person had 100 grand in the bank now, they wouldn't feel that way, right?
		Like they wouldn't feel like, oh, I'm.
		They'd feel like, oh, I'm favorable to confiscatory tax policy because they'd be like, that's going to take my stuff.
		And so the idea that it's somehow baked into young people to actually want a socialist president or socialist policies, no, they want to be able to pay their bills, they want to feel like they can afford to live, they want to be able to pay their rent.
		And now because of the past fifteen years since the economic crisis, because of the way that the federal government and the Federal Reserve has been handling monetary policy, because of those things.
		things, it's coming down on Gen Z. Like, they're the ones that are paying for it.
		And it's something that, again, I'm a reformed libertarian, but like back in the day, I was the guy that was screaming about this is going to come back to bite America in the ass.
		This is going to be a massive problem.
		And now it is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think the younger crowd subconsciously embraces capitalism while trying to embrace a false idea of socialism, communism.
		Because they're out there protesting with all their technology that they can afford and do the things they think they can do at home, like their poetry books, but they don't understand the endgame.
		No, for socialism, communism, feeding off of them, owning them, turning them into slaves, they see this false idea of a paradise that they've been lied about.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
		And I think that, you know, a lot is a lack of understanding and a lack of just intellect about what capitalism, what socialism is, what marxism is.
		But, you know, more than that, they've kind of conditioned to be comfortable, and I've heard you guys talk about this on this show for weeks now.
		There's just a lack of interest in bettering yourself.
		So this idea of getting free stuff is just kind of like tacking on to the fact that I can live on the bare minimum, whatever that is, and I'll just take whatever is free and I'll learn to live with it.
		I'll learn to live with sixteen guys and I'll just never have children and I'll never save anyone and that's fine this mentality, and I don't even think it's it's limited to Gen Z or Gen Alpha.
		I mean, I think that there are people in my age group who are suffering through this too.
		So I'm not really sure what the solution is, but they have them.
		Like people like Google have them right where they want them.
		You know, they're ready for the free stuff without actually putting too much thought into what it means.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, most of the time people don't associate the free stuff with all the strings that are attached.
		But nothing that comes from the government comes without strings.
		And you can actually see it the way that the government treats the federal government treats the states, right?
		So you get states that have all this, you know, federal money for say roads right for for interstate systems well to get that money you have to do things that whatever administration is in power says and there's the the generalized ones like you have to have your your your alcohol sales the age limit has to be twenty one it can't be lower and if you lower it the federal federal government will stop giving you money for roads right like that that was the way that they got nationwide
		twenty one is the age for the drinking age right but there's other things that depend on who the actual president is and donald trump is doing this all the time whether or not you like these policies or whatever, Donald Trump adds strings to federal funding all the time.
		So the idea that you get anything for free is it's a mirage.
		There's always strings attached and the government's always going to be like, you have to do this if you want to get this.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		In fact, the Treasury Department right now accepts PayPal and Venmo.
		If anyone has any extra cash, for some reason that you want to help with the national debt, send it their way.
		I'm sure you don't need it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's actually kind of base.
		I'm going to do that.
		I'm going to get a head start on my taxes.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Never get anything you don't ask for.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's not a head start on your taxes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This is just a gift to the government.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I love the government.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Well, no tax deductible.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think it's like with zoomers, it's just because, like, I'm a zoomer.
		We're just so nihilistic about, like, how broken everything is that it's like, you kind of have to have, like, a radical ideology.
		It's like being a moderate, it's like, so gay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's boomer coded.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like, it's boomer coded.
		And it's like, so, you know, you're like hanging out with, like, other zoomers and you're like, oh, you're like a paleo marxist, Leninist.
		Oh, I'm like a radical, like, monarchist.
		Dude, like, tell me more about your thing.
		Like, what's your radical ideology?
		We're all on lists.
		That's the problem.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's all the zoomer waffin.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what it is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're all, we're all on lists now.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think we're all just waiting for, like, the political flags, right?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		So, like, we can, like, add ourselves to, like, stripes and letters and yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the problem with the demand for radical politics is there are real world consequences that honestly they don't Yeah, this is boring.
		Like that they don't think about, right?
		Like, you know, there's there's it's not like radical politics are actually new.
		There's no radical politics.
		There's old politics that are radical now that people are talking about, which is, you know, whether it be the, the, the, again, the Zoomer Waffen or whether you're talking about the actual communists, you know, the Marxist Leninist stuff that's radical, but it's not new., it's just it's stuff that's been tried before and hasn't produced positive results.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And a whole few generations learned during the Summer of Love that violence and burning down cities does have results.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It works, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		In their favor.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And like your, well, former vice president could donate money for your bail.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How does it actually work in their favor?
		Did those people, maybe temporarily?
		Because I don't think I would say that they didn't get anything actually beneficial out of it.
		Maybe they didn't have to go to jail and pay the price that you'd expect for being violent.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You mean personally they got anything or socially?
		Because I feel like they're society for a bit of time bent over for them.
		Corporations did like everyone.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They got a sugar high.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like I don't think it was a there was a longevity to it, but they got what they wanted, but it didn't last.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think there was longevity.
		I think they had from their perspective, they advanced the football because they pushed the Democratic Party in a more radical way.
		I mean, okay, yes, society reeled back with the Trump election, but the Democratic Party's forever changed because of 2020.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, all the politicians, I mean, we had politicians crying at George Floyd's funeral or with his gold casket.
		We had the NBA doing their thing for it.
		Like, everyone kind of bent over.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't go anywhere either.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, the Democratic Party that is still, if anything, the base is actually mad that they're not radical enough.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So then maybe, so maybe now's a good time to go on to this story here from the post millennial.
		Elizabeth Warren confirms Zohran Mamdani's message is the democratic message.
		Senator Elizabeth Warren joined New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani on when saying, I think that means Wednesday, saying that the candidate's socialist platform is the democratic message.
		When someone stands up and says, I will lead this city by making it more affordable, and here are my plans, real plans, plans to deliver on child care, plans to deliver on housing, plans to deliver, we're gonna experiment, we're gonna try things on groceries.
		That is the democratic message.
		Warren joined Mamdani at the DC thirty seven Union building to express support for his universal child care proposal per the New York Post.
		For me, New York City is the place to start the conversation for Democrats on how affordability is the central issue, the central reason to be a Democrat, and that delivering on it in meaningful, tangible ways that will touch working families is why we're here.
		See, whether or not you read people want to admit it, the idea of affordability is something that's going to resonate with young people because they can't afford stuff now.
		So even though this is the policies that he's actually talking about are horrible, they're policies that will take New York backwards.
		They're going to destroy investment.
		They're going to probably destroy people's ability to actually get food.
		If you have, you know, municipal grocery stores, they're going to end up with empty shelves because there's other places where you can get eggs.
		They're not going to be, they're not going to be able to compete and they're going to have to try to affect the other grocery stores to be able to compete.
		These are all, you know.
		The policies like rent control are terrible.
		They end up making the places that people have rent control, they make those places into slums because nobody wants to invest to fix those places when things break down.
		They're all destructive policies, but when they're sold to the electorate as this is to make things more affordable and the electorate cannot afford things, they're going to say, yeah, that's a good deal for me.
		You know, I mean, I agree.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And they, they would, these people like AOC, they don't even want you to work.
		You know, like I remember, this just reminded me of that time, was it Amazon moving into her district and she voted it away?
		Yeah.
		Right.
		And that was going to bring in a ton of jobs, but this will be more appealing.
		I'm sure there were people who were very angry about that in that district.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people in her district.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They were yelling at her, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They were pissed.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		But here's the oh sorry.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		No, no, go for it.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but here's the thing, and I truly predict, and having lived in New York many, many years at this point and seen so many of these policies actually come into play, you know, I think a lot of people are predicting, Oh, if he wins, everyone's going to leave.
		Well, first of all, most everybody who's going to leave already left.
		Like most people who, anyone who's still there, has to be there.
		I mean, that's the only reason for it at this point.
		I generally think these policies are harmful, and anyone who lives in New York long enough is not going to, is going to realize that they're not going to get anything for free.
		They're not going to be able to overcome the incredible rent problem that they already have in New York.
		And I'm sorry, but $15 an hour is not a living wage.
		So I'm not sure what world you live in.
		And coming from the restaurant industry, fifteen years and most of it in New York, that was extremely harmful.
		And the result was that most people lost their jobs.
		Not that they, not that they actually were able to afford their rent.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Some of the waitresses in New York in Manhattan do well.
		And now with the tips maybe.
		You know, I wonder how the tips are going to help them.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Except they don't because there's only half of the amount that they used to be and they don't get tips because the service is terrible.
		Because there's not enough people on the floor because they have to pay people benefits.
		They have to pay people these exorbitant minimum wages.
		Restaurants operate on this like sliver margin.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I knew people who were working in restaurants and hotels and those hotels were taken to give to illegals.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's like they lost their jobs.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		and these guys got debit cards.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Most of the restaurants that I work for in New York lost their property because of that.
		They were all in hotels.
		Danny Meyer, this is very famous.
		He had Myolino and Marta in the Redwood Hotel and the Gramercy Park Hotel.
		And both of those restaurants are gone because of that, not because of the pandemic, but because of migrants in the hotels.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Insane.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		These are what the policies actually caused.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I can't wait for when, not that I want, because Trump's the guy.
		He should be Caesar back to the radical policies.
		But when Trump's out of the way, I can't wait for the knife fight in the Democratic Party between the DSA and the old stock, Democrats, so to speak, because, I mean, there's going to be one side has all the money and then the other side has all the passion.
		And it's going to be so fun watching this.
		I mean, it's going to be delicious.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ali, you to back to that point that you were making about, you know, the businesses leaving.
		Do you foresee if Mom Dani does win and it's looking like he's going to, do you foresee New York becoming like Detroit?
		Is it possible for New York City to be hollowed out like that?
		Because I can imagine, you know, a lot of people, I I know you made the argument that, oh, you know, the people that can leave have already left.
		I don't I don't I don't know that I believe that.
		I think there are a lot of people that wanted to pay more because it made them feel good.
		A lot of wealthy people, you know, on the Upper East and West side that had that.
		that have nice apartments around Central Park and stuff or nice condos.
		And those people, if the government starts actually going after their savings, saying, you've got this unrealized gain, or taxes on unrealized gains or whatever, I think that those people will be like, okay, now this is too much for me.
		And they might start leaving.
		And do you foresee a possibility?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think that it's hard to compare it to Detroit, which really lost its soul because of the death of the American-made automotive industry.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		So that really is kind of difficult to compare.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Couldn't you conceptualize like the financial industry saying, you know, I don't need to be so much more than I think much more likely in this scenario They don't have factories.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Much more likely in this scenario is that they're going to elect Mandami and then they're going to realize what they've done and the buyer's remorse is going to result in a massive pendulum swing long before he has the chance to rot that city to its core.
		People understand that New York is New York.
		It's the heart and soul of media.
		It's the heart and soul of news and politics.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But if it's young people that don't have any money and don't have anything to lose, are there enough older people with money and with things to lose that would vote?
		So you're going to vote against those people to say, Okay, we actually have enough influence.
		Do you think there's enough?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think that the young people are going to lose interest in this.
		I think that the worst thing that could happen to the Democratic Party right now is Zohan Mandani.
		I think that him winning this election is going to show everyone, is going to show everyone exactly what they're playing with, it's going to reveal every card that they've been trying to use, and that it's going to be an enormous problem for them.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		New York City also has a really transitory population.
		So the under thirty five crowd right now, completely different from what the under thirty five crowd was twenty years ago.
		So the amount of cultural changes that are going to occur with young people in New York City in the next five, ten years when that churn happens.
		I mean, like, I think the average New Yorker that's on I saw stat and it was the average New Yorker under 35 lives there for like four and a half years.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like the Zorans would just be gone in five years anyway.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I also feel like New York City is capable of dying coming back.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like, I think how it was in the seventies.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And it was a big war zone.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		More times.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		More, way more times than that.
		So there's always, I think, hope for that place.
		Maybe Trump will be mayor.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And it looks like I spend so much time complaining about it, you know, in print and on, you know, podcasts and stuff.
		And it's like, I, you know, I could, I could live there again.
		I like it.
		You know, I mean, it is, it is what it is.
		It's New York.
		I have no interest in going to Detroit.
		I'm sorry if anyone.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Detroit, even like, Chicago stays on its feet even with like two back to back like Fulbright and like Communist, like Low IQ.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like people.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		They got they got rid of, you know, What's Her Face and then got the subway.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they got rid of Beetlejuice and brought in If the city, if New York City descends into violence more, that might make people move, do you think?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's really the thing, is the safety issue.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		And most of the people that I know who left during the pandemic, I know a lot of people who were, you know, conservative media who left, but more specifically, people left because they had kids and they were just afraid that this was not a good place to have anything.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We were getting threatened to have our heads cut off in the subways with our baby shirts.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not from Brooklyn to Harlem, yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		People just running around with machetes threatening to cut your head.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but even there sometimes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like the suburbs in and around, like Connecticut, New Jersey, still growing.
		a lot.
		So it's like even the suburbs in and around New York City are still dependent on New York City.
		So even if there's a capital flight from New York City itself, a lot of that will just land in Westchester, Bergen.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It would have to be a generation of Marxist communism in that city to get to the point that you described.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think it is, it's on the table, but I predict it will, it will self correct long before that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're seeing, you know, we're seeing, yeah.
		I mean, we're seeing now where San Francisco had much more sensitive industry and now they're kind of coming to their senses a little bit.
		They're electing more modern.
		And it's like, and they're probably going to be fine to some degree because this is America and there's just a lot of capital in America.
		It would take a lot to end up in a Detroit situation for a city of the magnitude of New York City.
		So it's going to, yeah, probably like you said, you probably will.
		The New York Post is going to have some really good headlines the next two years, two to three years.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		My favorite New York Post headline from the city is headless body in a topless bar.
unidentified		It's a great one.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's really good.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's a classic.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I know they have a table at the New York Post and they're just sitting around just like, bang, did it again, dude.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		They do.
		I mean, that's not a fantasy.
		That's legitimately the newsroom.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have like, there's got to be like one table just in charge of giving a different name to a criminal every single time.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		There's headline writers.
		They literally don't write copy.
		They just write headlines.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		travel rousers.
		It's like they're trying to come up with as many names as possible.
		I love that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I mean, headlines and what's going to get a click is one of the most important, important currencies that exist in the online twenty twenty five.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a reason this I mean, how much I don't think the Post is even worried about headlines or making money.
		I think there's one I prefer art.
		I think it's just art.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You're so full of performance.
unidentified		You're so full of.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		a gift to America.
		We're losing money.
		This is for you.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		In fairness, they can't be making money on print any more.
		And they're they're still like the number one circulator of actual physical copies.
		So it's got to be the art.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's a room full of just patrons.
		It's a very beautiful thing.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Dude, they literally make money on their web, on like their web games, right?
		On like their browser games.
		Isn't that where, like, there's stuff that you can buy on PlayStore?
		Isn't that where?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is it?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		They make most of their money.
		I thought that's where they make most of their money.
		I don't know.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like New York Times probably just on profit by Wordle at this point.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		They have to totally is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Or the Chinese Communist Party.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		New York Times is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, look, there's the, the, the Communist Party in or the New York Times has been run by the Communist Party since the thirties.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Got him some Pulitzer.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What was his name that was lying about the Soviet Union?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I always forgot his name.
		He went over to Duranty.
		William Duranty.
		William Duranty, who was there and didn't write about he basically said there was no famine happening.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's I've seen the future and it's working.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're dieting.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's not called intermediate fooding.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's nutrition.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be great in a hundred years.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		There's a Pulitzer.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But I mean, I don't I don't know that I'm as optimistic as you guys about New York City because I think that the population is going to end up if hypothetically, if Mandani wins, he institutes these policies and then they don't work.
		And I think that only radicalizes people more.
		Like the most important thing for Donald Trump is to have economic policies that work.
		Everybody, you hear a lot of people making noise about, you know, about the Epstein list.
		You hear a lot of people making noise about Israel.
		You hear a lot of people making noise about, oh, there haven't been people arrested yet.
		He hasn't done enough to clean the swamp, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		The reason that he got elected was because he was going to do good things for the economy and that's what people heard.
		People heard when they said we're going to deport illegal immigrants.
		They elected him because he was going to deport illegal immigrants and people translated that in their heads to I will be able to find jobs and better jobs and more jobs for Americans.
		It's economics.
		So if his economic policies don't pan out, that means that it's likely that someone like an AOC or like not that he could win because he wasn't born here, but like a Zoran Mumdani, someone with those kind of policies could win the presidential election in 2030 or whatever, whenever the next one is, I forget.
		But yeah, like I feel like the failures of this particular administration or the failures of Imam Dani administration only helped to feed the radicals.
		It doesn't mean that people are going to say, no, we have to go back to the ways that have actually worked because the young people and people that are upset now don't believe those ways ever worked.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think, okay, going down your path, I see that possibility because in the left, especially in the younger generations, widespread nihilism, so a bad economy and suffering might just make it part of their like.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		This is helping, we have to self-sacrifice.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because people right now, the people that think that leftist policies are a good idea, they look at this world that we live in and they don't see that capitalism is what built it.
		They think that it just is.
		If you talk to a kid that's got favorable opinions of communism or whatever, he doesn't think, oh well, you know.
		Communism might be okay, but it's capitalism that's gotten us here.
		It's capitalism that's raised basically everyone on Earth out of abject poverty.
		Like they're in twenty thirty, there will be no one left on the planet that lives on less than a dollar like two bucks a day.
		And it's not socialism that's produced that.
		It's not at all.
		It's capitalism.
		But they don't see that.
		And you try to tell them that and they're not hearing it because believe me, I'll get on X and I'll argue with anybody and I'll be like, you know, this is what's going on.
		And to hear them talk, they don't understand or they it doesn't compute to them that this world that we live in with all this abundance and the fact that you can use your phone to order DoorDash and have it brought to your house and then pay for it with Clarna.
		Like all that stuff is because of capitalism.
		Not that Klarna is a bad idea.
		It's a terrible idea.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		If you're paying for DoorDash with Klarna, you have a lot of problems with it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's a horrible idea.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's what's awesome.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But the point is, like, all that is because of capitalism and they don't understand that.
		They think, no, capitalism is why my life is bad.
		Capitalism is why things are hard.
		Capitalism is why I don't get to do the things I want to do.
		Even though, like, the things that they want to do don't exist in the absence of capitalism.
		And it's something that you hear, you see on the left a lot.
		People on the left love to produce these memes that say, oh, fifty gorillon people died.
		of capitalism because they didn't have clean water and they didn't have medicine and they didn't have food and they didn't have this.
		And it's like all of the things you're talking about, they don't get without capitalism.
		And they just assume that medicine and technological advances and all of this stuff happens in the absence of capitalism and it doesn't.
		So I don't know that they understand the world they live in.
		The foundation is markets and liberty.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's been on purpose.
		That's why things like the Cultural Revolution have to destroy history so they can rebuild you.
		You're born again into this fake religion of Marxism to destroy, to rebuild this utopia.
		And like, it's not to say that capitalism has massive flaws, massive flaws, but it's still right now what we got.
		And what I'm like, well, that's what I'm, what you're saying is that's exactly what I mean by they're subconsciously embracing capitalism.
		They're taking part in all of it, but they've been forced fed this idea of like no family, no like real work, no legacy, no beauty.
		So their suffering is part of their policy.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		policy.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But it's like, too, it's like we've been, I mean, the right has invested so much money and time in like media promoting capitalism and free markets the last fifty years.
		And like there's been pretty much no fruit.
		And then Trump comes along.
		I don't even know if he's ever mentioned the word capitalism once.
		He's just like, we're going to make deals.
		It's going to be great.
		Like, we're going to have a huge building in New York with my name on it.
		That's what people want to hear.
		People want, like, you know how they get, like, I don't think he's ever explained like Keynesian model before in his entire life.
		He's like, he's just, he wants to make a deal.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And that it's like young people just need to believe.
		And if you get really into the weeds on this, like Zoran isn't getting up there explaining like, Mark, that people are going through his website and looking at all his policies, like, brains working.
		They're like, why is this?
		This doesn't even work.
		This doesn't compute.
		It's like,'cause it doesn't matter.
		It's about the vibes.
		You have to sell Americans are a vibes based people.
		You have to sell the vibes.
		So the right can't like overcorrect and start getting right really into like economics textbooks and stuff because that's what like you know, not gonna say the names they've been doing for years and it's not working.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So then, if vibes are how you sell people on something, how do you make young people understand?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Trump's done it, Trump's done it.
		So, I mean, Trump crushes with young men because it's awesome.
		Because he's a great man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to push back on that.
		Trump crushes with young men because the Democrats hate young men.
		Look, if Trump wasn't the only option, I don't think Trump would be as popular with young men.
		The option is Donald Trump or we hate you and hope you die.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, because when Trump's not on the ballot, Republicans do terrible because I think young men love Trump.
		I mean, they hate Democrats because, like you said, they are They stay home.
		They're the HR.
		But, like, Trump just provides something that just connects.
		Like, I've never found an eighty-year-old man relatable in my entire life until Donald Trump.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you, and I think that if you look at the last election results, it's clear that, I mean, Trump didn't win the popular vote and the electoral college because the Democrats screwed up so badly.
		I mean, he they did, but he also won because he had a message that resonated.
		There was more.
		There was a little bit of calm and a lot of calm B. But I think it's really important.
		And you said something that I really want really want to go back to, which is the religion of socialism and Marxism.
		And that is what's working so well for the left right now, is they've created this kind of cult vibe, and it's very, very attractive.
		It's the same thing, the trans flag with all the colors, you can be in our club, you're in the cult, you can wave the colors, you can wear the badge, you've got this, and that is very difficult to break into.
		And it's the same problem that Europe is dealing with having extremists living in their countries and having neighborhoods that have just been taken over.
		You can't compete with the ideology.
		The ideology is strong.
		So I'm not sure what the answer is there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Calling it a religion is really hitting the nail on the head.
		Look, it gives if you're a young, you know, say you're a young white guy, right?
		And you've been told all your life, since you were little, you've heard, even if you're not told, you just hear, right?
		You live in this society where you hear white men are bad, men are bad, boys are toxic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		And then you find out that if you just...
		that don't can't find their way in, you know, in, in, in life.
		And at a time when you're going through puberty, you're about to go through puberty, if you're not the most masculine dude, if you're not a, you know, a dude that's able to assert himself, that doesn't feel like he's a winner, which, I mean, when you're a teenager, who does?
unidentified		Sure.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, that, that kind of ideology, that, that, that possible way out is incredibly attractive.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy to see how that ideology has spread just beyond the young group, because there are parents who are willing to sacrifice their children for that, like to mutilate your child.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mostly that's a death cult.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But there's guys too, you know, effeminate dudes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the way the dudes end up joining and being a part of it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at the Kardashians, you know, Jenner.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, Caitlin Jenner.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You can say Bruce.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You can say Bruce.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Bruce, whatever.
		You know, Bruce, like, he won at Life, won gold medal.
		He was on the weedies, he was the guy on the weedies box.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		And then he's like, my daughters are hotter than me.
		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		And he's like, have you actually seen there's like, I never watch the Kardashians, but have you actually seen the clip where he's explaining to his daughters that he's going to become a woman?
		And like, they're hysterical.
		Like, and not in a good way.
		I mean, it's a really sad scene.
		I mean, and now you have to think about this.
		He's been Caitlyn Jenner now for a long time.
		Long time, but before that, you know, he was Bruce and he was this Olympic and he was, like you said, winning at life.
		But this was something that was so difficult for his family.
		And it just, I mean, my immediate thought was like, who's helping this man?
		Like, there's just, I mean, it's just such a sad thing that like, clearly he's just going through it and like, destroying his family to get to that end.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, thankfully that family has good access to plastic surgeons.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I mean, that's not good.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Not for him.
		It didn't work so well for Bruce.
		But the other three are like cologne new versions.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can take it back into the garage.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Chris Jenner looks great.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's a dream of Chris.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		That's just an objective truth.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That is like the undercurrent of left-wing thought is it's an attack on beauty.
		And, for example, if you're a young person, what is more beautiful than having a child extending your bloodline?
		So, of course, they're going to try and push homosexuality on you because it nukes your bloodline.
		The same thing with transgender is you're taking Bruce Jenner, I'm not going to call him beautiful, but you're taking a specimen, right?
		A physical specimen.
		This is peak human performance.
		And to rip him down.
		rip them down and destroy them and, you know, hot swap and weld on some, you know, skin on it.
		Bolt up.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And he's got like a grenade blast on his arm.
		I mean, what is more horrifying than And that's what they're trying to push.
		They're trying to destroy something that's the pinnacle of humanity.
		That's the Olympian.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And that's how they redefine beauty.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Because to them, that's I don't even know if they're trying, I don't think they're even trying to redefine beauty.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think they're trying to normalize ugly.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And that's his uglyness.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You see it everywhere.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like that's.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You go to like Boston, you see their city hall.
		That's not, that's not, they're not, they don't like it's beautiful.
		They know it's hideous.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		When you do these surgeries on people, like, you, you, you take away their ability to change their mind.
		Because now they'vere going to have to constantly address this and you can't undo it.
		I mean, and you listen to these just, just harrowing stories from detransitioners about like what they've gone through and the type of support they got from people who swore a hypocritical oath to do no harm and did exactly that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's really, to your point, one of the things the left talks about, you hear the phrase center the margins, right?
		And they say that the people on the margins should be made the center.
		That doesn't work for society at all, right?
		Like you have to have a society that focuses on the majority of the people and says, this is how we're going to have our society organized and if you want to live on the margins, that's acceptable, you know, and in a society like ours, we can make room for people to live on the margins, but that doesn't mean that we have to center them.
		All government policy should focus on families, normal, and I'm using the term normal intentionally, normal men and women married together, having kids, hopefully three, you know, because that's what's normal and that's what you need to reproduce your society.
		It is good for the government to promote things that will not help produce more of the society is ridiculous.
		It's literally counterproductive to the society.
		Like why are you going to say, oh, we're going to make special accommodations for trans people, for gay people, for non binary people, whatever, we're going to make special accommodations and center those people in our policy making when those people are not going to reproduce the society.
		They're just not going to do it.
		It's the most counterproductive thing a government can do is to say, we're going to take the people on the margins and center them.
		No, you center, you focus on the people in the center and make sure that normal families, again using the phrase normal intentionally because normal means man, woman, kids, normal families have what they need to be successful.
		And that being the idea that that's a hateful perspective, which is what I mean, there are people that would clip this or would clip this and say, Phil is a bigot for saying that.
		I don't care if you're going to call me a bigot for saying that normal people are normal.
		But the word normal has a meaning.
		And that's what the government should be focusing on.
		on doing its best to hold up and support.
		And if you live on, if you want to have a life that's on the margins, it's okay.
		There's nothing, there's nothing that is going to, we're going to stop you, but you don't get to be the center of attention.
		You can be on the margins.
		You can have your, your, your friend group and whatever, but the government is going to look at people that are normal and say, this is what we want to see more of because this is what produces more people.
		Even if only for the fact that it produces more tax base.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But oh?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Attacking the normal and embracing the fringe is how they collapse a society.
unidentified		Yes.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Which is what they want.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		So they can flood it with their insanity.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, I think gays are like probably better off if they're on the fringe because that's when you think like the 70s and 80s, like they're making good music, like there's good art coming out.
		And then we like put them in the center and you get like RuPaul's Drag Race or whatever.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Rock Obama.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You get Obama.
		I mean, it's like, it sucks.
		It's like, I don't know.
		Maybe like, I don't even know if they're happy being on the fringe.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It may have overshadowed it when they realized like the 25-year-old Republican man is like the punk rock version of 2025.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, the coolest gay guy in the last 30 years is like George Santos.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He was like a rock star.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Now he's getting street cred.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, he's a gangster.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Too much time in jail.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Sweaters is tough.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Sweater is the new orange jumpsuit.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're going to jump to this next story here.
		Benjamin Netanyahu has decided on full occupation of the Gaza Strip reports.
		This is from Newsweek.
		Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has decided that the Israeli Defense Force should push to fully occupy the besieged Gaza Strip, including operating in areas where hostages are being held, according to multiple media reports.
		The Prime Minister's office also conveyed a message to Lieutenant General E al Zamir, the Army's chief of staff saying, If this does not suit him, you should resign, according to Euronews and I twenty four's diplomatic correspondent Amachai Stein.
		Newsweek reached out to Netanyahu's office for comment via email on Monday.
		Israeli media reported that the cabinet will meet on Tuesday to come to a formal decision on the matter.
		The Israeli Prime Minister's report reported decision comes after months of ceasefire talks between his government and Hamas with both sides accusing each other of repeated violations.
		Israel has also faced increased international pressure to reach a ceasefire deal as Hamas releases videos showing emaciated Israeli hostages being held in Gaza, which the group said was the result of Israel's blockade of humanitarian aid to the war torn territory.
		This is something that has been kind of obvious that it was going to happen.
		I don't know what people thought or if people thought that there was another option.
		Israel's not going to allow Hamas to remain as the government.
		If there were an election in Gaza, Hamas would win still.
		So I feel like this is, there are people that are going to be up the obvious end result anyway.
		Israel is going to occupy that for at least five years to a decade.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
		But I think that more importantly, this is very symbolic in that it signals that there is an agreement between Netanyahu and President Trump that Netanyahu and Israel will be supported in this maneuver.
		So there are, first of all, Hamas has unfortunately got quite a lot of support from the international heads of state, including Kir Starmer, including Canada, including Emmanuel Macron.
		And it's given them power and confidence that they can continue to doing exactly what they're doing.
		Starmer made, you know, giving Palestine a recognition, contingent on Israel making changes to avoid that, made no such threats towards Hamas.
		Hamas can continue holding hostages starving them, splashing that all over the media, and doing whatever, whatever they're doing to subvert aid from GHF, from the UN.
		So there's no way that Hamas is going to stop.
		They have no reason to.
		They have enough international support that they could continue doing this forever.
		The sad truth is they could avoid being occupied by Israel.
		They could avoid being rattled by the United States by simply releasing the remaining hostages and stopping it this, it would restore food and aid to their citizens.
		Everything would be fine.
		They won't do that because they don't actually care about their own people.
		And unfortunately, you're absolutely right.
		There is only one power, one governing power in Gaza, and it is Hamas, a bona fide terrorist organization.
		So unfortunately, this is necessary.
		This is exactly what needs to happen.
		It's not going to be pretty.
		It's nice to read it that way.
		We're going to do it.
		We're going to get the hostages.
		It's going to be great.
		It's not going to look great.
		It's already Israel is facing this just enormous international pressure about this aid.
		I've never heard of an aggressed nation having to help the belligerents before, but that's where we are, and the United States is there too.
		Obviously the press is terrible for them, and it's not going to get a ton better with this, but unfortunately I think that it's down to the last option.
		Time's up.
		There's just no more time left.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		If the Epstein files are in Gaza, then I support it.
		I just need to say that for Phil.
		I don't think either side of this war cares about their people, and I don't want our country to have anything to do with it.
		I'm so tired of helping other countries right now.
		You know their countries that are suffering.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know Ireland called for the UN to possibly go into Israel to stop Israel.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Ireland?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ireland called my homeland?
		Ireland called, yeah, the Irish Prime Minister who looks who looks I mean, it's like a comedy show.
		He looks just like a leprechaun.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It does.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like when you see it's it's you're a bigot.
		It's not the first time I've said that.
		But like he looks like I see this.
		It's hilarious.
		But they were calling for the UN to go in to Israel.
		Who makes up the military might of the UN?
		It's not Ireland.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Is Ireland having planes and tanks?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Also, Ireland is like still LARPing like they're oppressed in 2025.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like, bro, the famine was like 300 years ago.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I do know that people laugh so easily at Irish people as though they weren't committing horrible terrorist acts just like 30 years ago.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It was pretty recent.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they were doing it to us.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		They were blowing up members of the royal family in a rowboat.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Things were really dark for a while.
unidentified		It was dark in Ireland.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		They're capable of a lot.
unidentified		That said, I don't think they have a lot of military equipment.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they're doing the LARPing with the balaclavas and everything.
		I'm like, your average citizen there works at Microsoft now.
		And you make double the British salary.
		So it's like, all right, cool it, O'Higgins or whatever his name is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But still, the idea that the United States should go in, again, because when you talk about the UN doing anything, what What you're really saying is the United States because the United States is the actual muscle behind the UN.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Peacekeepers is not peacekeepers.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The majority are from the Indian subcontinent.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		The United States versus the UN is kind of a big deal, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that he was talking about peacekeepers.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's who they would, that's the only option they would have if the UN were to intervene.
		It would be hilarious, the UN peacekeepers are like the most incompetent military on planet Earth.
		Like people join just to settle scores.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's a little blooper, isn't it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine Indians in Israel?
		Like they wouldn't just be slaughtering Jews.
		Like, come on.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, wait for the rumble and censor.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If you, like, if you look at, like, if you look at the, I mean, isn't India where they have like.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They have a fond opinion of Adolf Hitler because he was fighting the Islamic State.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They love Yeah, they love Hitler, but they also love Israel.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're very complicated.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, they love Israel too?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You go on Twitter and it's like, it'll be like the lion, and it's like Israel is like a cub, and then India behind it, like, we got your back.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to What part of Twitter you are?
		I'm going to take this moment to do my part here as a representative of the Foundation for Defensive Democracies, and we defend, obviously, Israel quite a lot as a beleaguered democracy that they are.
		America First is not America alone.
		And I think that it's really important that we continue to recognize who our democratic allies are.
		We have important partners in the Middle East, but no more than Israel.
		If we don't help Israel do everything we can, and they depend on us to do that, very obviously, they will be destroyed much, much sooner than you think.
		And it's absolutely imperative for our own national security, our kitchen table issues, that we maintain the safety and security of our democratic ally in the Middle East.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And I understand that, but I I I stopped caring about other countries at this point.
		After you care about the US?
		I do, but that is also a failed country.
		Can you help me outline why?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Can you just unpack why you can just unpack why it is that you say that it's so important for Israel to be for the US to support Israel?
		And the reason I say this is because there are a lot of people specifically that, you know, that are our viewers that aren't particularly friendly to Israel.
		And I think that think along the lines of Shane that the US should not be worried about foreign countries.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, so first of all, look at Israel on a geopolitical map that is surrounded by seven fronts, depending on the day, really, that want to destroy them.
		But before if they get through Israel, their next target is Westerners and specifically the United States, particularly, you know, Iran at this particular moment.
		But let's think about the flag of the Houthis down there in Yemen.
		Iran literally says, destroy Israel and then destroy the US.
		That's their state flag.
		That's what It says on it.
		They are very serious about that.
		If Israel no longer exists, if we no longer have the alliance of the IDF and of the extreme might and power of that army, then we have Iran with a nuclear weapon and they will launch it at us as soon as they're able.
		And they're not the only ones.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So what would you say to the people that would push back on that and say, the only reason they hate the United States is because the United States supports Israel.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And if Israel were to be destroyed, they would just stop.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They would stop.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		That's the Usama bin Laden thinking.
		He was shocked when we showed up at Tora Bora and began blowing up Afghanistan after 911.
		That's not how it works.
		It's the same kind of thinking.
		They stop with Israel that you have to understand the ideology.
		We're going back to extreme ideology, right?
		It's the same thing, only this is a different ideology, different book.
		But their order that they believe is that they are supposed to reusher in the caliphate and destroy all the infidels.
		That means all the infidels.
		It starts with the Jews and it ends with everyone else.
		And that includes, by the way, moderate Muslims.
		Remember the first place that he attacked, the first place that Osama bin Laden went to after he attacked the United States on 9111 was Saudi Arabia to start bombing Arabs because they were hosting United States oil complexes and military in the country.
		That will continue.
		And without our strategic positioning and alliance with the military might of Israel, then we will be hurt and we will be hurt at home.
		First of all, our interests will be destroyed immediately and they will come find us across the ocean.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But like from my perspective, it seems like we've backed Israel to a tee for the last seventy, eighty years.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And our relationship with the Muslim world in general has just gotten consistently worse as every year passes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I would well, I'd push back on that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		to say that the Abraham Accords are kind of flying in the face of that.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, the one president who's actually done something to change that, to actually make a radical difference in the Middle East and for the better has been Donald Trump.
		And he really, the idea of the Abraham Accords, the implementation of the Abraham Accords towards the end of his first term was the first giant step into a brand new Middle East where there was going to be a lot more peace.
		Things obviously slowed down and changed and reversed over the four years following that.
		We're hoping getting back to something where we can expand the Abraham Accords once again and lean into our allies and create better allies.
		Peace is the goal.
		is not just throwing money into never-ending wars and people who hate us.
		The goal is to establish an everlasting peace in the region.
		And that doesn't mean, you know, nation building.
		It doesn't mean us going in like we did in 2003 in Iraq and starting an entire new country that obviously was never going to work.
		It has to be us understanding what works, how we can prop each other up, where we can understand each other.
		And an ally doesn't have to be a perfect friend, but they do have to be a friend.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		My whole thing is, I'm 40 now, and my whole life, you know, when I was born, I've inherited a world of forever wars, and it's been going on consistently this whole time, and I see my country just getting worse and worse.
		So I feel like Israel can handle its own for a long, for now.
		And we can focus on our country so we can try to get the thing back up on its feet.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So, and so, like, towns off what he's saying too is just, I don't really know if peace in the Middle East is like a priority for Americans.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's whatsoever.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, aside from the, aside from the United States actually attacking the, the nuclear sites in Iran, what has the US done?
		When it comes to Israel, like we've given them a ton of weapons.
		We've given them weapons.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Volunteer gives them their AI, helps with the AI Lavender, which is, I've talked about that at length on this show.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But when it comes to the idea of the US being actively involved in combat or in war, like, but you have to think of war as different.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		War is not going to be the way we think of war from the past.
		War now is sending you everything we got.
		Our missiles signing our rockets and sending them over there.
		You know, like that to me is an issue.
		When we should be like, we're sending war rockets to Ukraine, we're sending war and rockets to Israel.
		We're funding both sides to some of these wars forever.
		And I just see our country suffering deeply and we're in debt.
		They're asking us to pay them through PayPal and Venmo.
		I'm like, how can we be stretching ourselvesurselves so thin, and I understand the idea of having an ally, but it's been our ally for so many years, and this threat of Iran going to bomb us, it just doesn't seem to come to fruition.
		It's always seems to be like a boogeyman.
		I think they've been saying death to America forever, and I understand that.
		I don't like it.
		But I also understand why they're saying that because we also destroyed their country, you know, many years ago with Kermit Roosevelt going in there and subverting their entire country.
		So I understand I don't like it, but I understand why they say it.
		And I honestly, my opinion, I don't think they're going to do anything.
		And I also think they've had nuclear for longer than we've probably been willing to admit.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We have other adversaries with nuclear weapons as well.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like this would be the first adversary.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but we don't have another adversary that's going to hit the red button the second it's ready to fire.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And also the reason the United States preventing Iran from getting nuclear is not just about Iran.
		Saudi Arabia doesn't want Iran to have nuclear more than Israel does.
		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		And Saudi Arabia doesn't.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just there, that's there, because it's like, what would the incentive possibly be for Iran to nuclear the United States?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		That would be so, so they don't care.
		That's the difference.
		Like, USSR, I'm sorry, he goes, Russia cares.
		Russia doesn't want to be destroyed.
		And whatever, like Medvedev said, then the Kremlin came back out and said, Never mind, we actually don't want thermonuclear war here.
		Like, please don't reposition your nuclear, you know, your subs.
		But that's not the case with Iran.
		Iran understands this in a very ideological way, and these guys really believe this.
		This is not just something that they push out there for the press, for PR to be like, oh, we're very religious, we're clerics.
		That's that they really believe this.
		And they actually believe that it's worth it to fire a nuclear weapon at the enemies with the threat of American might coming at them if they're doing what they believe is the will of Allah, what they're supposed to be doing.
		That's what is so terrifying about a nation like Iran having that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Gen Z really doesn't have this, has a sense, and I feel like Gen Z believes things in a similar fashion to the way that Gen X believed them before nine hundred and eleven.
		Like we heard about, you know, I'm fifty years old, so I'm Gen X, right?
		And I heard about, you know, religious fundamentalism, and I knew about the first attack on the World Trade Center, Ramsay Yusef in nineteen ninety three, and they were, you know, they did it for religious reasons.
		We didn't really believe that they believed the things they do believe.
		And this is an argument that I have, hold on, this is an argument that I have with Ian that I've had multiple times.
		Ian, his opinion is people are just people and they're all the same, and that's not true.
		And the way that Gen X believed about the what Gen X believed about Islamic fundamentalism is what Gen Z believes about Islamic fundamentalism now.
		They don't believe they actually believe it.
		And they really, really believe it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This isn't, I'm not making an argument about Islam because if it comes to Islamofobia, no one's more Islamofobic than me.
unidentified		Trust me.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The problem, this is the problem though, is there's millions and millions of Muslims pouring into Europe and America.
		So it's like, that should be, if we're trying to go to war with the Muslim world and Islam in general, Iran is the least of my worries.
		I'm worried about the millions of Muslims that are pouring into France and Germany and the United States, the United Kingdom.
		It's like Iran, it just feels like we're shifting on the chairs on the Titanic.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a really fair point.
		I mean, you should be worried about that.
		And that's not really an Islamophobic point.
		The point is that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's for me.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		The point is that these immigration problems and fortunately, despite what's happened over the last four years with our border being completely open, these countries in Europe are facing something that's catastrophic, especially France, especially the United Kingdom, where there are literally parts of the country that you can't even go to anymore.
		And it's not because they're Muslims, it's because theys not a right, it's not a privilege.
		You deserve this.
		Like you, you are born with the right to live wherever you want to live and you have no reason to assimilate.
		You don't have to be French, you don't have to be British, you can just be extremist.
		I mean, those guys, the 777 bombers were born in the United Kingdom.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is, this is not just an immigrant.
		It started with an immigration issue, but it also became, it's from this whole push of like Marxism, Leftism, where we don't want to tell anyone that they're not us.
		Like you don't have to be like us because, oh, you know, everyone's okay.
		It's like, but actually that's the problem.
		And when people don't want your culture, they will destroy it to bring in their own culture.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And I guess another issue I have is how you define an ally, because I understand the barbarism of some of these other countries, but Israel is also barbaric in their own way, in a modern way, where they spy on us.
		They've been caught spying on us.
		I think that's not good, not a friend.
		And if Netanyahu were a governor, I'd be like everyone else.
		Yeah, I know, and I don't like it.
		And if Netanyahu were a governor in this country, we would chastise him like we chastise Cuomo or Hokul or Newsom, because he was as deranged and barbaric with the vaccine during lockdowns as they were.
		And I just think that's completely anti-democratic.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's like I'm kind of going back to like being an ally.
		doesn't mean you have to be a perfect friend.
		You just have to be a friend.
		And certainly, we can criticize the politics of Israel.
		They're very leftist in many, many ways.
		But the fact of the matter is they are still a real democracy in a place where that just isn't a thing.
		And that's very important.
		Again, we can tear down Netanyahu, we can tear down their COVID positions, we can tear down the fact that they have the largest, you know, Gay Pride parade.
		Whatever you want to do, that's fine.
		I don't need to live there.
		I just need to know that I'm safe at home because that country is safe.
		And because their military is in place and that requires US support, both financially and physically.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I just don't feel like them., their safety equals our safety here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, enough about, well, not enough, but like, back to the kind of the point of it, the idea that, or the what we started with, the idea of Israel governing the Gaza Strip, that was the situation up until 2005, was it when they pulled out, right?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 2006.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so the Israel was the governing authority, and they pulled, not only did they pull the military out, but they pulled actual Jewish people that had homes in the Gaza Strip.
		They pulled them out completely.
		And that was the beginning of essentially 20 years of rockets into Israel, 20 years of there were suicide bombings for a while.
		Those chilled out in the past, you know, the past, I guess, 10 years or so.
		But there was, that was the first intifada, or was it was, that was the second intifada is in 2006 is when that started, right?
		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So like this kind of the idea that Israel would go back to that after 20 years of rockets, 20 years of terrorist attacks, and then October 7th, I mean, was there a sense from anyone that think that Gaza was going to be governed by the Palestinians again?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that was a hope.
		I mean, I think that a lot of this, like ceasefire talk early on, was that this wasn't going to be necessary.
		You know, that Hamas would be like, Okay, you've killed enough of us.
		Like, we're done.
		Here's your hostages back.
		We're really sorry for October 7.
		Like, please leave us alone.
		I think that at some point was like a true hope that, and then we would give power back to the Gazaans to bring someone else in besides Hamas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there was talk of the Palestinian, the PL, or the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, but, like, they don't have a whole lot of power.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If I understand correctly, they get murdered by the Palestinians on the regular day.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		There's no chance of any kind of, like, fairer installment of power in Gaza right now.
		I mean, it's just, I mean, so at this point, time's up.
		What's the alternative?
		There isn't one.
		I mean, either that or we just let, I mean, Israel just lays down and says, Okay, kill the rest of the hostages and just keep bombing us, I guess.
		I mean, that's the only other choice.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I, yeah, I guess, I guess so.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I, I, like I said, I kind of figured that that was going to be the situation because, you know, they had allowed the, the, the, the, the, the Palestinians to, to, to be the authority there and you got a terrorist organization in charge.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think they really hoped that it was going to work out that first time.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		And it just, you know, clearly didn't.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they, uh, they underestimated.
		the IQ rankings in Gaza.
		Unfortunately, it's like eighty.
		Yeah, like the West Bank and Gaza, it's like two completely different stock of Palestinians.
		I could go into that.
		But I might be my own.
		But in short, yeah, when the split happened, the West Bank kept a lot of the academics and there's like a sizable Christian population, or there was a sizable Christian population.
		And then Gaza, unfortunately, with what happened, the stock there is not built for democracy by any stretch of the imagination.
		They're built for fighting, which is, you know, that's how much of the world is.
		And that's, it is what it is.
		You can't blanket democracy across the whole.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It really is amazing to me, like having just recently, like, been in a car driving from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, like it's a very small country.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		When you look at the small country and then you look at how small the Gaza Strip is and just its ability to produce this level of violence and disruption to the world is really remarkable.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, so I mean, that's kind of the big problem is there's no partner for peace, so to speak.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you also look at it from the Palestinian perspective of like, if you had this territory for two thousand years or whatnot, and then people rolled up backed by colonial powers and created a country there, you'd probably get radicalized too, but that's not a justification, obviously, for holding hostages or killing innocent civilians.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		No, and that's not even really what I mean, yes, they use that term, like settlers, but most of this extremism gets extremism gets extremism.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Right, yeah, yeah, I'm not like, it didn't even start.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm not endorsing that view.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		They just like, that was like, like, a recent, like, adoption that they were like, you know what?
		We were here first.
		Yeah, yeah, I'm not endorsing that.
		that they were like you know what we were here first yeah yeah i'm not endorsing that before that it was about like the infidel like it is really more about you know you like these extreme philosophers of of islamism like you know saeed khutub from egypt who were like basically just everything uh anti uh islamist is evil and wrong and that's where this all started and now it's like oh the settlers but when was outside of europe like that guy was like born in the 20s i mean he But these are the books that they read.
		I mean, these are the philosophies that they live by.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, because outside of Europe until like 150, 200 years ago, nationalism wasn't even really a consideration anywhere, broadly speaking, outside of the Far East.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So, like, we've tried to export, well, I don't know if we tried, but we've exported a method of conceptualizing a nation that doesn't come inherently to.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was all about tribal.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So it was tribalism then.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to a degree.
		I mean, I don't know the intricacies of Palestinian anthropology in the 1500s, but the way the Ottomans governed is it was very tribal.
		They kind of Oh, I'm sorry.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So you're talking about nationalism in the, in the Middle East.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So it's like, I mean, the way that those.
		those societies were structured was not how they are now, where it's like a European sense.
		We have a flag, you pledge in that flag, you have an anthem, you go to the Olympics.
		That's a very modern, that's a very modern way of conceptualizing a nation.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The fact of conceptualizing a nation in and of itself is a model.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Ironically, a really good example of a nationalized Arab country was Iraq in 2003.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, true.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, all right, we're going to jump to this story here from the post millennial.
		The New York Post to expand west launched California Post in early 2026.
		The New York Post is heading to the west coast and will be launching.
		the California Post in early twenty twenty six.
		Robert Thompson, CEO of the outlet's parent company News Corp said in a statement, Los Angeles and California surely need a daily dose of the post as an antidote to the jaundice jaded journalism that is sadly proliferated.
		We are at a pivotal moment for the city and the state.
		There is no doubt that the post will play a crucial role in engaging and enlightening readers who are starved for serious reporting and puckish wit.
		I think this will be great because the New York Post has the most wonderful headlines.
		And to see them coming from not only the New York Post but from the California Post, I think it would be great.
		What do you guys think?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I wish I had something to push back on, but I've been excited about this all day.
		I'm surprised it took them so long, but it really shows how much the market for this has grown on the West Coast.
		There are very, the amount of people fed up on the West Coast is at a fever pitch.
		And again, I think that a lot of people are just kind of stuck there.
		Like they can't move, you know, across the country.
		And so they don't.
		And I think that, you know, they've put up with a lot.
		I mean, especially, you know, the crime stuff, the no jail sentences, like putting people out, you know, bail and that kind of stu thing.
		It's just nuts at people getting their houses broken into in Beverly Hills.
		And then this, you know, big white-toothed fool Gavin Newsom, you know, going around.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, if we thought the New York Post headlines are good, wait till they get access to, like, Oh, to Erewhon.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		These headlines are good.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're going to Erewhon.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're just like shooting up.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Downtown LA.
		They have Skid Row up there on the front page.
		Like, this is going to be sick.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's said they're actually going to try to do Mars as well.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		So you might get headlines from Mars.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		New York, the Mars Post.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, I'm here for it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think that'll be nice.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, is this a.
		comment on the state of publishing out of the state of California?
		Or is the market calling for this?
		Or do you think that the Post is just kind of jumping in and saying, hey, I think we can get some more journalism here?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a big restructuring happening right now of publishing.
		Publishing is dying, dead, maybe.
		And it's trying to find its way back.
		We're seeing Larry Ellison's son trying to buy the free press for $250 million.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Was it really?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Might have seen Tim Dillon talk about that yesterday.
		It was hilarious.
		But people are trying to make moves in media.
		And they should.
		I mean, it's important.
		I just hope they don't use AI writers.
		I hope that Post doesn't embrace, because you know it's going to happen how many articles have you read that are I'm sure you've read that are AI.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you've read a lot of that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I know I have.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And they're terrible.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I bet you've read some great ones that you don't even know about.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure there are.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure because I'm looking at, you know, terrible little articles that are three paragraphs.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I know it's cool because it opens up with, sure, here's an article about.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know whose opinion on AI I find more objectionable, yours or Alad's.
		Well, at least you have a healthy fear of it.
		Whereas Alad thinks it's just a gimmick.
		Alad's like, ah, it's just like the dot com bubble.
		It's like, yeah, the dot com bubble was a bubble.
		But like, the internet was, is still here and it's a good thing.
		So like, there was substance to it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's going to be as apocalycalyptic as I initially thought, but it's gonna be bad.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think, like, I do agree with a lot of saying they're good at branding.
unidentified		Okay.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		The AI people are very good at branding.
		Yeah.
		But we're seeing people losing their jobs to AI.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And it's definitely gonna come for publishing.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		So hopefully not, because I see like there's a veteran reporter working on this and hopefully they actually have human reporter R2D2.
unidentified		Interesting thing.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Auto pen.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The interesting thing too is it's not that, like, there's a lot of new publications.
		Like, there's still an appetite for digital media.
		It's the fact that they're trying print.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, oh man, there's someone here that really does it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		They do it in New York and they do it successfully.
		You know, I wrote an opet in the post maybe three or four months ago and I sent friends out because I wasn't in New York and I sent friends out to go get me some copies to save and like they couldn't find them.
		Like really?
		I was like sold out, I'm sure because of my opet.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Of course it was.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		But it's amazing, like people, it's almost like, you know, novelty or something, I think people like I enjoy it, having the, the smell of the ink and the paper.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I did go to like eight different bodegas when the Trump mug shot came out.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well that I understand.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's like it's like it's kind of turning into a bit of I think Prince having a thing right now.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like I love the County Highway, you know about this Walter Kearns publishing.
		It's a newspaper and then you can only get it as a newspaper, it's not online.
		It's amazing.
		You know, I had a story there a year ago, but you get it in the mail.
		It's just amazing.
		I have a paper.
		Beautiful written stories and it's incredible.
		I think it comes out every two months, but I see that happen.
		They're like on a countrywide tour right now with the paper.
		It's incredible.
		I see other people trying to do that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		There's like a bunch of these like lifters on Twitter that have like rebuilt the Man's World magazine.
		And it's amazing.
		Yeah, they send out a big glossy Man's World magazine like every three months.
		And then the opeds are just written by full bone schizophrenics on Twitter.
unidentified		Okay.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Now I mentioned I want this.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's like really awkward putting your coffee table because there'll be like nudity on the cover.
		It's like this, it's actually much more difficult to explain.
		This is porn.
unidentified		It's porn.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Reality is much more complicated.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not porn at all.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Don't read the article.
		No, I mean, I don't know, like, how much copy matters when we're talking about like AI inside this thing.
		Like, um, it's the headlines, right?
		And I think that the fact that the stories are being written is more important than the way they're written these days.
		Um, and I think that they've identified that at the New York Post and they're doing very well with that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they have a lot of AI writers right now?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I wouldn't accuse them of that.
		I think that's low down dirty.
		So, you know, who knows?
		They're cheap.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, tell us which papers use AI.?
unidentified		I wish I could.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Single them out right now.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I do know the AI flags now because I just I looked them up.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I actually asked AI what the AI flags are.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It kind of throws you off.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like, Oh, yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Well, double dash, isn't that like a double dash is a big one, which actually stinks for me because I actually love the double dash.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I use the m dash all the time.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I love the m dash and I don't think that sometimes a comma isn't a big one.
unidentified		They're coming after you.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They are coming after the comma.
		I've been feeding it.
		Yeah.
		If you use the m dash, the AI's using a cut is we use the m dash.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		It's a beautiful puncture.
		It's a beautiful style, so it sounds real.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think the Zoomers have found the work around because there are particular emojis that you use in a certain context that AI can because it doesn't have a soul, it could just never really figure out entirely.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		So like most journalists.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like when I just tastefully drop like a like a crying emoji on the end of it, it's like if you if you're a human being, you know what that means.
		And AI can never truly unlock that, the meaning of that.
		There's a deeper, it's deep.
		It's actually really deep, Phil.
		You should be in tears right now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The Post Millennial went on to say, as the Post is expanding its reach, other outlets have had to cut back.
		CNN laid off hundreds of employees in January, and in June, the company was reportingly expecting additional layoffs on the horizon as the mother company, Warner Brothers, Discovery announced corporate breakup.
		Other outlets, such as Vox Media, HuffPost, and NBC News, have seen layoffs in recent months.
		So this is something that it is actually surprising that the Times is going to be expanding in an age, or I'm sorry, the Post is going to be expanding in an age when clearly there isn't really an appetite for at least the legacy news, right?
		You know, I mean, if CNN, do you think that this is a symptom of people not having an appetite for the legacy news, or do you think that it's the news that those outlets were going, were providing?
		Do you think that people are sick and tired of the left-wing bent on it?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think it's, I don't even think it's that.
		I think that one of the things, like, I have a TV in my office.
		I watch it constantly because my job is putting people on TV to talk about stuff.
		And so I'm just seeing like what stories are being covered, what's going on.
		And I watch Fox a lot.
		You know, I know Fox and I, you know, I understand their system.
		But, um, but I flip back and forth to like other channels and, you know, I'm, I'm not getting news.
		Like, that's the problem.
		Like, I want actual news.
		And I understand it's an opinion.
		There's never been like, unbiased journalism.
		That's like a myth.
		Um, but then it's like, you know, CNN is, is, is, so, you know, they're very emotional about whatever's happening.
		And it's like, there's big news happening.
		And I like, I want to hear about this hurricane.
		And like, I can't get it.
		And it's, you know, I'm not trying to, you know, I appreciate my, the work we do with CNN, but I do know that they came in behind Hallmark and HGTV in the last Ad Week Ratings report.
		So, wow.
		They're clearly doing it, you know, they're clearly not doing something right.
		They used to be the name in 24/7 news, you know, that was if you wanted to know what's going on, you turn on CNN and they have really lost that connection.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, they lost the airports too.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		They lost the airports.
		I mean, that should have been the death knell.
		Right.
		And I, you know, I wish them well.
		I really hope, I think just like, you know, I hope that the Democratic Party gets their act together because I think that we are stronger when we have two strong political parties working against you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think by getting their act together, do you mean stop pushing for socialism?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		I focus more on like that they become a real competitor.
		I feel like, first of all, you know, conservatives get soft when they don't have an adversary that's actually, you know, up to snuff.
		But the same thing with media.
		I think that everyone's better when they have actual, you know, competition.
		Everyone has to do their best.
		Everyone has to like find that footing in the news and continue getting new viewers and finding new audiences.
		And, you know, so it's not what you want to see.
		The other thing is, speaking specifically about like cable news., people are cutting cords.
		You can't stop that.
		That nobody's getting cable back once they lose it.
		So if you can't figure out what your streaming option is or how people are going to get your product without having a cable subscription, then you're already way behind.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And the last election showed that podcasts and substacks and personal indie media dominated these guys.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Dominated.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's why Trump and Vance used those platforms to help get elected.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Smartly.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And Kamala failed at that.
		She might have paid call her daddy podcasts for a whole fake set that didn't work.
		They hardly got the numbers like Trump's numbers on the R Call Me Daddy, whatever it's called, is I think they didn't break a million.
		Maybe they did by now, but.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I'll never forget the guy who, uh, who dropped her interview because she said bacon was a spice and he was so offended by the hot take.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It was the hot take guy.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's hilarious.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		And he just canceled it.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It was like a presidential candidate.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, you're right.
		Yeah, I do know that.
		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's that bad.
		Yeah, the competition thing has really slept on too.
		Because like, that's the reason late nights so so so much now.
		Because like Colbert got cancelled and they're all showing up.
		Like, we stand at you, Steve.
		It was like back in the day, Leno would have, like, killed Letterman if he had the opportunity.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They would have, like, hired a hit on him if he, like, jumped him in ratings.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I thought they would bring that back.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Like, all you had to do was be funny.
		Like, oh, we stand with you.
		It's like, oh, we're brave.
		It's like, this is a late night comedy show.
		Like, this is not about, like, who's braveest.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I don't need to turn on like late night comedy show to get, you know, my political opinion.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And there's nothing brave about doing a TV.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing lazy about not writing jokes, however.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's why there's no competition, because there's no competition anywhere.
		Like, you go watch the gymnastics now and they're like friends and kneeling each other.
		Like, they used to snap legs to get on the stage back in the day.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And now, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What are we doing now?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're all in the same team.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Bring back Nancy Carrier.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Bring back a little Kanye Harding days.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're not in the same team.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's why the UFC.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's why the Weedy's box.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's why the UFC has such great ratings.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because it's actual competition.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Actually, even the guys that like, you know, there are some guys that are, you you know, show each other respect and stuff like that, but, you know, they're still trying to punch the other person's face off their head.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I think you see it the same thing in, like, you know, in football and in some sports, you know, the WNBA.
		Yeah, the WNBA.
		Well, there's only a couple of girls that get attacked in the WNBA.
		But when it comes, you know, when it comes to at least mostly men's sports, it's actual competition.
		But even still, like in, you know, the regular NBA, the, the viewership is down.
		Yeah.
		I assume that it's the same with the NFL.
		But the Super Bowl was.
		really well viewed, like last year it was, it was still a big deal.
		So it's not, you know, ubiquitous.
		But yeah, I think that the fact that there's a whole lot of Kumbaya in everything is actually detrimental to people that are viewers because viewers want to see that competition and they want it to be real, they don't want it to be manufactured.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, it's very sad.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Also, I want more segments where like people disagree with each other.
		Like, I feel like that's fine.
		And people are, I don't know, I didn't really book a lot of people, you know, I used to book on Fox.
		I didn't really book a lot of people that were like, Now, first of all, we did try to book some people that absolutely just wouldn't have anything to do with our network network or our show.
		So there was that problem as well.
		But, you know, I think putting together like, you know, this person has his opinion and this one has the opposite.
		It doesn't have to be a bloodbath.
		Like, it can just be like a civil conversation.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, these were the shows that have picked up that whole market.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Because you had like, what Crossfire back in the day was.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, Crossfire was great.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And now it's the Culture War with Tim Poole.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or look at Piers Morgan.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Or Piers Morgan.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Piers Morgan.
		I mean, that is one step away from Jerry Springer, right?
		They're not in the same, they're not in the same building, so they can't throw chairs at each other.
		But they should be.
		Yeah.
		It would be kind of fun.
		But legitimately, like the Culture War with Tim, you know, Tim Poole's Culture War.
		But even around this table, like, we don't all agree on on everything.
		I mean, me and Shane will go back and forth, you know.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		On the moon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		On anything.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		At least we agree the moon is there.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
		That's fair.
		That's fair.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We agree the moon is there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What the moon is, that's where the difference comes in.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But you can tune in to Inverted World Live tonight at 10 o'clock to find out what the you're going to find out what the moon is?
		Yeah, we're going to debunk you.
		Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to pull it up on Wikipedia tonight.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Great.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's my source of information.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wikipedia.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's great news.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I'm afraid to ask a little bit.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think the moon is actually a ball of rock that probably originated with Earth, something smashed into the Earth.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Whereas I think Shane thinks it's hollow?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't really know.
		I think it could be a mothership for an ancient breakaway civilization.
		I think Earth is only a little over 6,000 years old.
		6,000?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		I mean, God made Earth in a day.
		In seven days.
		so I stick with that, I'm a Bible thumper.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Technically he made Earth in a day.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		earth but like there was seven days there of creation all the other stuff so six one was a rest day yeah that's right and there are people who disagree on what a day means and all that stuff but I'm pretty strict now in my mind with six thousand a little over six thousand.
		Okay.
		So the moon being a rock that hit the earth millions of years ago is just all made up to me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Big time.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So we disagree.
		There you go.
		But he'll, he'll We're cool.
		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We can get along.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We can get along.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We don't need the moon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We don't need to agree on the moon.
		Okay.
		Let's see.
		We've got one more last bit here.
		Just for laughs, for shits and giggles, we're going to go to a video that Alex Stein put up.
		He was hazing MSNBC and it is absolutely wonderful.
		So you guys will enjoy this.
unidentified		We just watched the speaker gabble out with a whole lot of anger,ger, Kelly.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Here's the state of play.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Here's the MSNBC sock.
unidentified		How are you?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		MSNBC sock.
unidentified		MSNBC sock.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Can I talk to you for a second?
kelly odonnell ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes this happens and we understand that that can happen and while we love free speech, we're going to keep control here.
		So, Ryan, thank you.
		Shaq, thank you.
		It gets volatile.
		A volatile story, we'll be following it and apparently not only Shaq cleaned up Okay, stay with us here because Ryan has cleared the set, as we would like to say.
		The gentleman moved on.
		So, Ryan, let me turn back to you.
unidentified		Ah.
kelly odonnell ▲ ● ▼		nicely handled there.
		Can you give us an update on.
		on as you were walking us through this.
		We'll all take a breath there.
		Maybe not.
unidentified		Maybe not.
unidentified		Okay.
kelly odonnell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, Ryan.
kelly odonnell ▲ ● ▼		See here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
dustin burrows ▲ ● ▼		Hold on one second.
unidentified		Yeah.
kelly odonnell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		We're just going to pull the plug there.
		Thank you, Ron.
dustin burrows ▲ ● ▼		It's not playing out in real time.
kelly odonnell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
unidentified		It's high.
dustin burrows ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		There's a lot of anger here, as you can see.
unidentified		So we're going to get a cut to more of this and come back to you when we can.
kelly odonnell ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		Fair enough.
		And we recognize people are expressing their views and we're there to cover it.
		You do that job.
		We'll move on with our audience.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for your patience.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I wish Alex ran really quick to the other screen.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's just lampooning.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's just lampooning you guys.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Just awesome.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I love her.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Alex, she's like so smug about being diplomatic.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		All day, you know, mopping.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think my number one comment, like having been someone who worked in a control room for a long time, is that she handles it very badly.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, just like very heckish.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We believe in free speech.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Get rid of that glaring.
dustin burrows ▲ ● ▼		We believe.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if that was like a miscommunication with her in the control room, but also the fact that, you know, there was not enough people standing around their on-air talent to like stop him from being harassed on-air is pretty sad too.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Just like the guy was like, this is my moment.
		Yeah.
		He's like, oh, we're cutting away.
		No, we're not.
		Actually, here's what's going on on.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		The comic timing.
		Speaking of, you know, jokes are hard to write, but he nailed it with that.
		It was great.
		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		All right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We're going to go to your super chat.
		So smash the like button.
		Share the show with all your friends.
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		Become a member so you can join us on our Discord and head over to rumble.com where you can join and watch our after show, which we'll be going to in about 30 or so minutes.
		But for right now, we are going to read your super chats.
		Let's see.
		Peter Gohawk says, since the left likes.
		to change definitions, can we change the meaning of they them to fat or ugly mentally unstable person?
		I mean, we can try.
		I don't know that it's going to stick, but we can try.
		Let me see here.
		Oh, wait, that was the wrong button.
		There we go.
		Okay.
		Let's see.
		RageLB says, take cast is best cast.
		You've got fans, take.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Let's go, fans, dude.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		My mom's going to be stoked.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You are, you are stellar.
		You're great at your job, take.
		And they want to let you know.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Unless they're talking about a different take.
		Do you know how hard it is to be named Tate in the Andrew Tate era?
		Because I get on Twitter and they're like, Tate is a child trafficker.
		He's the worst person ever.
		I'm like, what did I do?
		And then I'm like, oh, that guy.
		I forgot my bad.
		Yeah, you know.
		Sad stuff.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What's this?
		BH is that?
		BH says, hi team, would you consider each interviewing either Joel Jamal or Craig Kelly from Australia to talk about the beginning of social credit scores, what they call under 16 ban?
		Tim had a bad take a few days ago.
		Look, man, everybody has a take that you're going to call bad at some point.
		But I don't think we would be avert to interviewing him, but that's not a question that I'm actually in a position to answer.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We don't call them bad takes anymore.
		They're called L takes.
		It's an update to the vocabulary.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Get with the program.
unidentified		It's only as W takes, so I don't believe that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Now they disappeared.
		No rants?
		What's up, Rumble?
		i think the the ransom Okay, Robert Bradbury says, We shouldn't arrest them.
		We shouldn't throw them out.
		If they don't show up, their vote should be considered a no vote.
		Well, you're talking, I assume you're talking about in Texas.
		And I mean, that's not a bad idea, right?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think most actual state legislatures do work that way, but unfortunately, Texas' constitution is not written that way, so a lone star state like that.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's going to be some more work to get to that point.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I agree strongly.
		I think if you abscond then you've cast your vote.
		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So they literally ask for this to happen because of the way it's structured, like you said.
		Like they don't even have a mechanism for that.
		I don't I probably need to read why this is the case, but it's ridiculous.
		And the fact that the floor's two thirds, you're just like asking for this to happen.
		I just vacate the seats.
		Like, you don't even need to arrest him yet.
		I vacate him.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a great idea.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like, you know, Abbott should just say, okay, you're all fired.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We'll get you.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can spend a bunch of money on the election.
		Like, it'd be a good idea.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's really true.
		I mean, it's truly despicable.
		Like, to be elected to these positions and then to behave this way.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		You know, and what, and what, how is it serving the people of Texas?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yeah.
		They're just trying to score brownie points with the media.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Flying off to other states, you know, it has nothing to do with it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And if you're going to at least go to somewhere nice, Illinois?
		I mean, I'd be offended as a constituent.
		I'm like, you think Illinois is better than, you know, Galveston?
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What are we doing here?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I'd challenge you to move there.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		If they're in Hawaii, it'd be like, well, you know, I'm not good at it, I guess.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, Illinois or New York, both of them.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, where do you go hang on Rochester?
		Yeah.
		Big protest.
		Okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		See, they're going to the chance.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're going to shout out to the, check out some shows of the chance.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Get kicked in the face.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I've had some friends had broken noses.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I've been kicked in the head in the chance.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		During Converge.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Headwalking will commence during the sadest day.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		On that note, I'm going to go out to my show.
		Okay.
		Thank you guys so much.
		Hey, that was fun.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Hey, dude.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		See you guys.
		I love you.
		See you next time.
		Inverted World Live tonight, 10:00 PM.
		That's we're PM right now, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are PM.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		We'll be live till midnight taking phone calls.
		Telephone lines will be open at 10:30.
		If you've got a weird story, give us a call and we're going to talk about a blob moving towards figure out what's going on with that moon.
		And the moon.
		I'll tell you guys about the moon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let me know.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		See you guys.
unidentified		See you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's see.
		James Weidenhoff says, Uncap the House and restore the limit of no more than thirty K constituents per US rep. This would result in no more gerrymandering and no more need for massive campaign funds.
		All you would do is talk to your neighbors and get elected.
		Well, I don't know if that's actually what would happen.
		It sounds good in theory., but I don't know that you, that it would be good to have thousands of House members.
		Because if it's thirty thousand, you know, thirty thousand people.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You would have like, would be a hundred thousand?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it would be like something like, it would literally look like the Senate in Star Wars, you know, with those, those, those.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's the reason.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Whenever I remember from government classes, the reason we landed on the number we did is because that's as many desks as we could possibly fit in there.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It makes sense.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's almost annoying sometimes to go back and like, realize the wisdom of our founding fathers.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Like, you know, it's like, that is frustrating that they came up with that, but it makes sense.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, one of the things that people, I understand people's frustration with the government, right?
		Like there's the argument, oh, nothing ever gets done, et cetera, et cetera.
		And a lot of people don't realize that that's actually by design, you know, or they forget that that's by design.
		Everyone says they don't like Congress except for their own Congressperson.
		You know, the Congress has a ridiculously low approval rating, but then you ask individuals, do you like your Congressperson?
		And overwhelmingly they're like, oh, yeah, mine's good.
		Yeah.
		So yes, you don't like Congress because Congress doesn't get anything done.
		Most of the time, that's because Congress isn't supposed to be getting the thing done.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		They actually argued that they get far too much done in terms of these, like, omnibus bills that are full of stuff we don't even know about that are.
		Did you know this?
		And I'm going to have to fact check, but I heard from a smart person that Ted Cruz included that the space shuttle that's kept at Udvar Hazzi in DC or Dulles is he put it in the big, beautiful bill that that was going to be moved to Texas.
		Like, nobody noticed.
unidentified		It's awesome.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Just as a point of contention.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It reminds me like.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		That's our shuttle.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's like, we already have one.
		France did in the Treaty of Versailles where they're like, by the way, champagne can only be made in champagne.
		It's just white wine.
		I'm like, they slip that in the last second.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know that was in the chat.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That is, that's very wrong.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So Ted Cruz is moving like France right now.
		What's going on?
		The interview really rattled him, I think.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, But the point that I'm making is like people want to see federal laws that should actually be state laws, and really, this is a point that we make regularly.
		Like if you focus on your local reps in your state, then you'll have far more tangible results than if you try to get things done at a federal level.
		There is a place for federal legislation, but it's probably not what you're thinking about.
		about and if we had a government that was actually limited by the Constitution that didn't abuse the Commerce Clause, didn't abuse the Necessary and Proper Clause, and actually protected, you know, your rights that are alleged to be protected in the Bill of Rights, you know, you could have more effective government at the state level, and people would probably be happier with the results that they get.
		But people think that there should be the same laws in California as in New York and as in Florida, and that just doesn't make any sense, you know.
		You know, but trying to convince people of that is, you know, like herding cats.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It really is, and it's scary because, you know, how often the power in the, you know, on Capitol Hill changes and one year you can have lots of Democrats who want these crazy labor bills that are harmful to, you know, contractors and, you know, like the Pro Act, which fortunately hasn't happened yet, but is always looming over our heads.
		And, you know, we saw it happen in California.
		It's a disaster.
		But happening at the federal level is a whole new level of terrifying and subverts the will of the people again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So all right, let's see.
		Hale Galey says Louise Rossmann did a YouTube series on the dysfunction of New York City real estate.
		It's an over leveraged house of cards that is one bad quarter away from collapse.
		I mean, that could probably be said about a few different industries, but I guess that would be something that people have to look into and make their own calls.
		SA Federali says Shane literally created the resurrection of coast to coast within the Tim Cast family.
		That's exactly the point.
		It's great.
		Y'all muffckers better at least be catching the re runs that she is thralling.
		Coast to Coast is great.
		There's a lot of times where All the Hermanes had long night drives after shows while we were still touring in vans and we would be listening to Coast to Coast AM and Ollie was a huge, huge fan.
		So if he was driving, you could guarantee that Art Bell was on and Coast to Coast AM was going for the late night drive.
		So, and yes, that's exactly what Shane has done with Inverted World Live and you should definitely go check it out after the show if you haven't checked it out already.
		It's a lot of fun and Shane and Brando are great hosts.
		Isaac says, why should we worry about Iran having nukes when the nuclear armed countries in Europe are becoming Muslim majority countries?
		Well, I mean, France and the UK are the only countries in Europe with nukes, I believe, right?
unidentified		So, I mean, most Islamic countries though.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, they are the most.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		France looked legit by, I think, 2055 will have not a Muslim majority but a Muslim descended majority.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's still not realistic.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Still not run by the Islamic Republic of Iran.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, no, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But it is, it is crazy that, like, you have to sit there and think, like, okay, so maybe the next fifty years, it's something we have to consider.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it is something we're going to be, it's a legitimate, it's something we're going to be, it's a legitimate, it's something we're many, many years from having fingers on the nuclear.
unidentified		We got to give the evidence.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How many is many, many years?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And honestly, is something that's many, many years away something that we can afford to actually just say, oh, it's not a problem.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that nuclear will ever not be a problem.
		I mean, there's, there's, this is, you know, one of the biggest, um, conundrums that has, that has fallen upon us since.
		the invention of the nuclear weapon, right?
		They're always going to be a problem.
		Anyone having them is technically a problem.
		The only thing that keeps it safe is the fact that many people have them and there's the mutual self destruction issue.
		That is That is the outlier with a nation like Iran having it is that they don't seem to be concerned about being destroyed themselves, which is very dangerous.
		The same thing, the same reason that a suicide bomber is much more dangerous than a normal criminal.
		You can't threaten them with self harm.
		It doesn't bother them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Neglectful sausage says Chinese equals collection of ethnic groups, Hispanic equals collection of ethnic groups, Hispanics own Latin America.
		If Hittites are a collection of ethnic groups, what?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's whites.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's whites.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's not whites.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's not whites.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Whites.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's called HUA.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Whites are a collection of ethnic groups.
		Why can't they own USA?
		Well, because the United States wasn't founded that way, or it hasn't developed that way.
		There are people that make the argument that because it was founded by wasps, that it should only be wasps.
		But I think that ship has sailed a long, long time ago.
		So the option was never really there.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I think that there's a big difference.
		between belief in secure borders and immigration processes that ensure that the people who are here want to be here and want to be part of the experiment, want to be part of the project.
		And it's a completely different thing than choosing an ethnicity.
		This reminds me a lot of the, you know, like the Soviet era cards trying to figure out people's ethnicity based on their skin shape and stuff like that.
		It's not nice.
		It's also who wants to live with that much hat in their heart?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And also like Chinese as an ethnic or collection of ethnic groups isn't true because the Han Chinese run everything.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
		Have you ever I mean, have you ever asked them if they are a mono ethnic?
		group, they absolutely not.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Hispanics hate each other.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You ever ask a Puerto Rican what they think about Mexican?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, have you ever accidentally called someone from Brazil Latino or Latino?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you could ask a Dominican what they think about, like, yeah, like a Mexican person, and you're gonna hear like slurge you've never heard in your life.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You like it.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah.
		And, you know, as far as the United States, like the United, like I'm probably the most restrictive, uh, you know, I I have the most restrictive, you know, immigration policies that are, that are my favorite.
		I think we should shut down immigration for a decade.
		No immigrants except for zero one visas, um, and let the people that are here assimilateate.
		And I think that everyone that's here illegally should be deported, like everyone.
		And that's about as extreme as you get on, you know, immigration policy.
		But even I don't think that, oh, we shouldn't allow people in based on race or anything.
		Like, you definitely can disallow people based on ideology.
		Like, I don't think that we should let, I think that it's correct that the United States says we don't let communists in.
		Right?
		Like, if you don't look at things like private property, property rights as sacred, then you shouldn't be allowed to become an American.
		American, period, like because that is anti American, but I don't think we should base it on race.
		I think it should be based on ideas.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Definitely base it on nationality, like Trump's done that with banning certain countries from sending people here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Because the question is like, I mean, if this is a widely held belief among like 99 percent of the population, then we're not going to risk it to hopefully get this one percent out.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It should be hard.
		I mean, it should be hard.
		It should be a challenge.
		You should, this is not a right.
		You know, this is a blessing.
		If you want to, if you want to live here, it's the greatest country in the world.
		And a lot of people have died and worked their entire lives and generations to make it so.
		And if you want to come here, that's great.
		I love that you want to come here, but it needs to be something that you have to work for and earn.
		And when people understand that, then I want them here.
		I mean, I think it's the same thing.
		We want people who love the country to be here.
		We want families.
		You know, there's a lot of cultures that are not in this country who like creating families much more than Americans currently do.
		And I'm all about opening that door and making that happen.
		But, you know, I do agree with you.
		I'm not sure that I agree with a ten year ban, but I do agree that we've got a lot of unjust.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just so that way all the people that are here can become Americans.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like a settlement period.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		No, I do.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And the reason I say that is because there have been so many people that have come here and have been encouraged to not assimilate, right?
		They've been encouraged.
		They've been allowed to speak the language of whatever country they've come from.
		The government has gone out of its way to provide services in those languages.
		I think all that stuff should end.
		It should all be English.
		The argument that I make for that is there are concepts that don't make sense in other languages.
		There are certain concepts that make sense only in the native language.
		You have to have a people that all speak the same language so they can all understand the same concepts.
		So just shut down all immigration for a decade or so.
		Let everybody assimilate.
		And then, and again, I don't mind O-1 visas.
		If you're, if you've got a special skill, a special talent or something like that, come on, we can figure out.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		But the O-1 visa still, that you still need to want to be here.
		Like, it's great that you have that special skill, but that's not just the open door for you.
		100%.
		Many people treat it that way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		100%.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a huge problem because that's a lot of the way that the CCP gets people in here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I totally agree with you.
		It shouldn't be just, oh, the O-1 visa, that's your free pass.
		I think that there should be, it should be very stringent.
		You should have a special talent.
		You should actually want to be here.
		You should actually believe in our fundamental principles that make America what it is.
		You have to believe in property rights, individual freedom, et cetera, et cetera.
		I don't think, I think if you have an opinion that's disgusting about the Second Amendment, you shouldn't be allowed into the United States.
		These things are fundamental to the country.
		If you don't think people should have the right to speak, to speak their mind, you have to go.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		We're not going to require you to buy a gun.
		But if you have a problem with me having one, I think that's an inherent problem.
		That the Bill of Rights is fundamental to who we are as a people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That should, it shouldn't, this isn't a list of suggestions.
		These are things that are protected that the government isn't allowed to say that you can't do.
		So if you want to come here., then you have to at least accept, okay, these are things that every American is going to be able to do.
		And I not only am I okay with that, I wouldn't push against it.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, so at least.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		At the minute.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		The number that you celebrated in a ticker tape parade.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		But yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		So when they're building giant like monkey god statues in Texas, that's a good sign.
		It's time to close the tap for a little bit.
unidentified		Yeah, you're right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, it's getting a little.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just pump the brakes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're even stealing Marxist jobs.
		Like Zoran, he's an immigrant.
		He's coming here and he's taking a job from a hard working Marxist.
		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's not right.
		That's another thing.
		It's like, we've got, if you're born in America, you automatically have the right to be as garbage.
		You have the garbage opinions if you want.
		We can't do anything about it.
		It's like your family, if your if your brother sucks, your brother sucks, but he's your brother, so you have to deal with it.
		We don't need to bring in people that have these terrible opinions, right?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		We already have enough of those.
		That's right.
		There's nothing we can do about it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Wyatt Claydenberg says, Phil, what do you guys think about the Gaza aid drama?
		It seems like everyone is lying.
		The photo of the kid in the New York Times says MS, Israel actually helped him, but Israel lies too.
		Israel's blocking aid.
		They're all full of crap.
		I don't know what to believe.
		And so it's not my problem.
		This is exactly why I'm like, let them do whatever they want to do.
		I don't care.
		People get upset with me because I don't hate on Israel enough.
		Well, I don't care enough to hate on them, right?
		Like you have to actually have some kind of, you have to feel a certain kind of way if you're going to hate on someone, and I don't care what they do.
		Let them deal with their problems over there.
		What six or seven thousand miles away ten thousand miles away whatever it is their problems are over there and I'm not over there so I don't give a f.
		That's it.
		So but yes, they're both lying.
		They both engage in propaganda.
		They're both trying to persuade people.
		Israel's been doing a terrible job of it, and that's why there's so many people that are turning against them.
unidentified		Let's see.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's Coco Sauce.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Coco Sauce says, Extremists won't forget about decades of US interference, whether we support Israel or not.
		That ship has sailed.
		Look, the reason the Marine Corps exists is because of the Barbary pirates and because there were people that said, hey., we're going to just scoop you, your, your people up and put them in slavery.
		Like that has been something that has gone on in the Middle East for literally ever.
		So it's not like it's new to think that there are problems in the Middle East.
		has been as long as there's been a united states the united states has had to deal with issues from middle eastern countries because of their religion right like that's just the way that it is whether it's the somali pirates or the barbary pirates or dealing with uh gaza or whatever like that the the idea that
		It's part of just the existence of apparently that region.
		So yes, we're going to have to deal with it, but it's not about US interference, it's about the people that are over there and their belief system.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Was it Jacob and Esau came out of the womb fighting?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		So there's a lot in the, I mean, if you want to get into like biblical stuff, there's so much in there that is predictive of like exactly what's going on today.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, look, it goes all the way back to the, at least the stuff between Israel and the Arabs goes all the way back to.
		Isaac and Ismail.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, and Isaiah probably talks about Hillary's emails.
unidentified		I mean, crazy how accurate it is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Taylor Lorenz's ex wife says, Who has better plastic surgery?
		Me or Bruce?
		I'm not sure who Bruce is.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Bruce Jenner.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Bruce Jenner.
		Yes, of course.
		I'm super proud.
		Missed you this weekend, Phil.
		CW was a blast.
		Thank you all Tim Cast team.
		Thank you Romanation for the legendary after party.
		I wish I could have gone.
		I had a massive, massive fever and I was very, very under the weather.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, we've all been killed by this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's been like a bunch of people here.
		Alad's got it now.
		Surge had it last week.
		I had it over the weekend.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You've managed to dodge a bullet, huh?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like I never get sick.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So if I get sick, it's time to shut the company down.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that I think you probably dodged it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's made its way through so far.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		A little bit different for me.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that was patient zero.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe I haven't.
		I just were sick.
		No, yeah, I never get like I never happened.
		Yeah, he's a carrier because I got vaccinated.
		Actually.
unidentified		All right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Raoul Cortez says, Yeah, I'm indifferent to any of the points raised in favor of Israel.
		I'm not bothered by Israel fighting their enemies, but I just don't see the casual relationship between Israel's safety and American interests.
		I mean, look, I agree with you about, you know, Israel can fight their enemies however they want to fight them.
		I'm not particularly concerned.
		I saw a post this weekend on X about the Sudan and like half a million people died there and it's like, no one cares because no one can blame the Jews, you know?
		So there's plenty of places where there are more horrible things going on than what is going on in Gaza and you don't hear people making a sink about it and I genuinely do think a lot of the reason is because, you know, you can't blame Israel.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Just for some numbers, because I did look the this up recently.
		There are 300 million people facing food insecurity in the world.
		Less than 2 million of those are in the Gaza Strip.
		So there are a lot of countries, including Haiti, Sudan, Mali, who are facing much more severe crises that nobody seems to care about at all.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Because it and mostly because they can't make a political statement about it.
		So.
unidentified		Correct.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Have that in mind, Jason.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Tran says the Internet is turning the humans gay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, that's just you.
unidentified		Real.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Figured out, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Figured out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Isaac says, why should we worry about Iran having nuclear when the nuclear armed countries.
		Oh, wait, you already read that.
		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like a trip down memory lane.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		We got here.
		Matthew Vanders said, are you going to post the Culture War live with Michael Malice?
		Well, it won't be live because it's already been recorded.
		So no, but it's recorded and they're going to post that.
		So yes.
		And I think that goes up a little bit more.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Friday at 11.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Friday at 11.
		There you go.
		So when we do the Culture War episodes on Saturday, they will debut the following Friday at the normal Culture War time.
		So if you want to get your.
		tickets for this weekend, you go to is it still at DC Comedy Loft?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Go to Tim Cast events.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Tim Cast events dot com and you can buy your tickets there.
		Hurry because they're going fast.
		They usually do.
		It'll be Alex Stein and who else is there?
		Have they promoted?
unidentified		Who?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's going to be Myron Gaines.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's an interesting guy.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And Cat Timf, Cat Timf from the Fox News.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And then Kyle Turner was also interesting.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Is that not so erudite?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So there's there's some there's some interesting ideologies on the stage.
		I think it will create not quite the atmosphere.
		Okay.
		Buy your tickets going quick.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So smash the like button, share the show with your friends and let everyone know that you know know that you should watch Tim Cast.
		We're going to wrap it up here.
		So Ellie, do you want to share where people can find you and stuff?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		You can find me on Twitter at Ellie underscore buffkin or sorry, X. I'm old.
unidentified		That's fine.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Everyone knows.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		And you can follow the organization to hear more about the work that we're doing to defend all embattled democracies and talk about how great America is at fd dot org dot Perfect.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tape Brown.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm popping on these shows all the time, so see you there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Good stuff.
		I am Phil that remains on T. You can follow us on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, and Deezer.
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		Stick around.
		We will do the after show shortly, and we will see you all tomorrow.
unidentified		I love you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		flight mare a Apparently there was a bunch of brown.
unidentified		There you go.
unidentified		What are you doing?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Just close that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Apparently there was a bunch of brown sewage that exploded from a ceiling in America's busiest airport.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's hot Atlanta.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have a guess.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		We're going to try to decide.
		Yep, it's Atlanta.
		Oh, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Atlanta.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was going to be Denver.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I like Atlanta.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		The airport?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Why?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Are you a masochist?
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		That is a hot take.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because compared to, like, Detroit?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
		I mean, like downtown Bombay is probably great compared to Detroit.
		Well, I mean, Gaza is great compared to Detroit.
		You kidding me?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If you're going to compare it to, if you're comparing like big airports, what's better?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		JFK?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Depends on the terminal.
		Because terminal, what's it, terminal five?
		It's like literally like a FEMA camp.
		But then they have a few new ones they've dolled up a little bit.
		It's not too bad.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, big part of the reason why I like Atlanta is because...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And the reason that I'm so used to going there is because I used to travel or direct all my long flights through Atlanta because it's one of the few places where you can smoke.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oh, true.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So back in the day when I was a smoker, I'd be like, oh yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And now I've just gone through it so many times, I know it extremely well.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't Atlanta also have like Ludacris restaurant?
unidentified		Maybe.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I think they have like a waiting restaurant for Ludacris there.
		That's like my I always go there.
		If you're in Atlanta guys, make sure you go there.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Check it out.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's important.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's a cultural landmark.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So a disgusting video appears to show sewage water leaking from the ceiling of America's busiest airport on Monday.
		The stomach churning footage taken by Jamal Carlos Jr. shows the murky water exploding through a ceiling panel.
		driving through a ceiling panel at Hartsville Jackson Atlanta International Airport.
		The gushing water stunned travellers who were trying to pass through the terminal.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		No, dude.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Some even seemed to cover in their nose in a desperate attempt to shield themselves from the putrid smell.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Carlos told Eleven Alive, the incident happened while he was waiting for his delayed flight from Atlanta, Georgia to Dallas, Texas.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Well, can you imagine like getting delayed for hours and then this is what happens?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's not only delayed, but it's literally pouring shit on your head.
unidentified		Mm.
unidentified		Mm.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're delayed?
unidentified		That's the worst.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're delayed?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Have shit on your head.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It kind of gives you a kind of gives you perspective though.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like it makes you appreciate every delay where you don't get slimmed by human feces.
unidentified		That's true.
unidentified		This is what Nick This is what I really want to improve your future travel.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is what the Kids' Choice Awards in India is like.
unidentified		Oh my God, Nick!
		Oh my God, that's a great point.
		Brutal.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I love India.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I think for every generation.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, we love India.
		This is a Pro India podcast.
		We love India.
		We love H one B's, Surge is, I think, on H one B. We love them.
unidentified		We don't love H one B. Take this out here on the bottom here.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It says there's no impact to overall airport operations.
unidentified		What?
unidentified		Great.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is Atlanta.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is Atlanta.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Great.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We'd have a bomb explode on the plane.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's gone off on the runway.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm glad that you're not actually in the airport when you said that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's the rumble show.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can say that, right?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		It's like the guy Carlos here also says, it's crazy.
		So they moved our gate.
		We were just so close to it.
		So moved it a little further, but you could still smell it two or three gates down.
		We're gonna smell that for like a year if they don't clean that up.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of a profound statement.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I can still smell it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It just sounds like punishment, though.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's brutal, dude.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's...
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		I worked in an old hotel in Chicago years and years ago, and we had a sewage explosion problem, and I still have PTSD from it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		It's upsetting to your core.
		Yeah.
		It's not a thing you forget over a weekend.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		No, I lived in the basement house in Salt Lake City.
		The house was built in, like, 1903, and I lived there in, like, 2013, the beginning of it, and then the whole, like...
		There's, like, the sewers that go out to the street, like, backed up.
		They'd, like, closed it back in the 70s because, you know, boomers like to do smart stuff.
		So they just closed it up and just sealed it and said, oh, nothing will happen eventually.
		Eventually, it all backed up.
		And then I woke up at like three in the morning.
		This happened two times, by the way.
		I woke up at three in the morning and the whole floor, the whole bottom of my, my, like, uh, carpet was wet, obviously with like black water and stuff like that.
		So yeah, it's, uh, it's like the worst.
		It's probably the most disgusting thing you can ever be around just like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't have any horror stories like that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I have a horrible one.
		I have a horrible one.
		This is not, this is like a year ago.
		I used to work on, this is so funny.
		I used to work on boats.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Because I, like, I've done like a lot of jobs in a very short amount of time, which is probably a red flag for being working here.
		Anyway, I worked on boats.
		I worked on these yachts in New York City.
		And you would have to like climb on the side of the boat, like when the boat's at port, you connect the sewage, you connect the water.
		So someone has to climb along the side of the boat to disconnect the sewage, disconnect the water.
		That would be me, because I was a deck hand, I was the youngest person.
		Well, the first time I did it, I didn't realize you had to shut the valve off from the port side and from the boat side, so I only shut it off like leaving from the port side.
		So I was like, yeah, so it's shut.
		I pull it off and it sprang poop on me and I'm held on the side of the boat, because if I like going, I'm going in the water.
		And I'm just getting hit in the chest with like poop.
		And I'm like, ah!
		And I haven't pooped to this day.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a CIA black site.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh my gosh.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
ellie bufkin ▲ ● ▼		This is what Obama was talking about when he banned torture.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like you were getting interrogated.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like someone stomped on a cosmetic bag next to me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Horrible.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So.
		And I'm anti poop after that day.
		I used to I used to be mixed on it.
		You know?
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I used to I'm a moderate, reasonable guy.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I used to be neutral on it.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm anti.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that makes sense.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, all right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to collars.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to get that really fast here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Stop talking about this poop stuff.

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