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phil labonte
Over the weekend, Texas Democrats fled the state in order to avoid a quorum because the Republican efforts are looking to do some early redistricting.
Now, the Texas House has greenlit arrest warrants for the Democrats who fled, and Democrat governors across the country are looking to get into this with Kathy Hochel having an opinion.
She said that New York is exploring every option to redraw our state congressional lines to counteract Texas's new map.
So we're going to get into that.
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So would you please introduce yourself and tell everyone what you do?
ellie bufkin
Yeah.
So I'm Ellie Bufkin.
I'm currently the Deputy Communications Director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, but I'm a journalist.
I've worked around DC, New York for Fox News, for the Federalists, the Washington Examiner Town Hall for the last 10 years or so.
So kind of started with Trump back in the day.
So yeah.
phil labonte
Awesome.
Thanks for coming.
Shane is here.
shane cashman
Hello, hello.
I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live.
Tonight, I'll be running out of here around 9:40 to go live on my show on YouTube and Rumble.
We're going to have a big night.
We're going to talk about a giant blob that's underground moving towards New York City.
phil labonte
Of what?
shane cashman
I don't know yet.
We're going to find out tonight.
We got a 30-year-old frozen embryo that was just born.
We're definitely going to talk about that tonight.
And a nuclear reactor on the moon, if it's real.
How are you?
tate brown
Doing well.
It's producer Tate Brown, occasional host of the morning show whenever Tim's voice is shot.
So did that today.
I had a lot of fun.
Good to see everyone again.
phil labonte
All right.
Well, we're going to get right into it.
This is breaking from the post-millennial Texas House green lights arrest warrants for Democrats who fled the state to avoid redistricting vote.
Texas Democrat lawmakers have defied Governor Greg Abbott's deadline to return to the state legislature to allow a vote on redistricting congressional boundaries.
As a result, Abbott has ordered for those members to be arrested.
Abbott warned late Sunday that he would pursue legal action to remove the lawmakers from office if they failed to return to Austin by Monday, August 4th, 2025, to vote on the proposal.
Abbott on Monday also directed the Texas Rangers to investigate fleeing Texas House Democrats for potential bribery and any other potential legal violations connected to their refusal to appear for a quorum, conduct business, and cast votes, Abbott said.
That investigation should extend to anyone who aided or abetted such potential crimes.
Abbott's pressure follows a walkout by Democrats seeking to deny the Texas House a quorum, the minimum number of legislators required to conduct business.
By leaving the state, Democrats effectively froze all legislative activity during a special session set to expire later this month.
The primary objective was to halt a GOP-drawn congressional map that could secure five additional U.S. House seats for Republicans in the 2026 midterm elections.
All right.
So normally the redistricting happens after the census, which is scheduled for 2030, I believe.
So the fact that the Republicans are looking to do redistricting now, it is early, clearly, but I don't know if there's any kind of historical precedent for this.
Can you actually speak to this?
ellie bufkin
Yeah, I can't name the exact instances, but it's not unprecedented and it's not federally prohibited.
It's unusual.
It's unorthodox.
And this is kind of what they're standing on right now.
But certainly when, you know, in my experience and what I've read about, when there's a huge population shift, which there has been in Texas, especially since 2020, we're talking about the pandemic.
We're talking about people fleeing blue states like New York and California primarily and heading to Texas.
This is obviously something that would be advantageous for the Republican Party.
They're looking.
They see that there's a lot more red that there was before.
And quite frankly, if we're talking about a Democratic Republic, then the people who live there should be represented fairly by their congressional map.
And that's what they're going for.
2030 is quite a long ways away.
And they want to give the people their proper representation in Congress.
phil labonte
There's a lot of argument that I hear from the Democrats that are like, oh, well, this is not right.
There shouldn't be gerrymandering.
And gerrymandering is so bad and such a big deal.
But yet, gerrymandering has been the norm literally since this third president, right?
Madison's vice president, I forget his last name was Jerry.
And that's where the term gerrymandering comes from.
This is something that the Democrats have actually mastered and they've really squeezed as much of the juice out of the process of gerrymandering as they possibly can.
So this is a reaction to a change in the demographic or in the population by the Republicans.
And the Democrats are really in a position where they can't do anything about it.
Isn't that the case?
ellie bufkin
It is the case.
And unfortunately, their hands are tied because they know that the maps are going to be drawn against them because that's who lives in the state.
Now, it's extremely hypocritical.
If you look at any blue state map, Illinois is a great example of gerrymandering gone crazy.
New York is another great example.
Why would Jerry Nadler's district be in South Brooklyn and then also on the upper west side?
It's kind of wild, but they know what they're doing.
So for them to come out and say, this is unconstitutional and this is wrong, it's like we need to remember who the pot is and who the kettle is in this situation.
It is how it's been done, as you said, for quite a long time.
And it's part of the game.
Is it fair?
I mean, I think that we can all look at times, depending on your own political stripes, where you would say that's not fair, absolutely, because it's going to work against me.
But at the end of the day, and I think that even when, you know, as a conservative, even when I'm in the defensive and I see that there's a lot of blue people, you see a state like New York, it's sad that it's become what it's become, but it is there.
They have that representation.
They have the voters to support that kind of thing.
And Texas has the same thing now.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
And to be fair, it's not that just the Democrats have gerrymandered districts.
It's something the Republicans have done as well, which is part of the reason why I think it stems from the fact that it is such a foundational piece of American politics, the fact that changing the district to better produce the results that you want, you want to see is something that has been happening for almost as long as we've had the Republic.
I mean, what do you think, Shane?
Do you think this is something that we can actually expect reasonable discourse over?
Is it going to be just people running around with their heads on reasonable discourse?
I'm asking.
shane cashman
With these people?
phil labonte
I'm asking.
shane cashman
No.
No, they're screeching because they're not in power.
And I think they have to yield this power right now.
I think Texas is turning purple.
It might be purple, right?
So they do what they have to do.
You're talking about New York, my old state.
Those people in upstate New York are not represented.
The city changes the entire vote.
So it feels like when you're living there on upstate New York, anything north of the city, there's pockets of blue here and there, but it's completely wasted.
Your vote means nothing because New York City ruins it.
But yeah, it's another victim of redistricting and everything.
So I don't, reasonable discourse, I don't think you can expect anything reasonable from the left and the right to some degree as well.
Because right now we're like Hokle's literally calling us a war.
She's using that kind of language.
So I'm not surprised that they're going to act this way.
That's what they do when they're freaking out.
tate brown
She's right.
I mean, you got to play the game.
I mean, like the GOP, like you look at North Carolina, that's probably like one of the worst examples of gerrymandering in the country.
And that was us.
That was the GOP.
But it's like, yeah, you got to play the game because if you put your tools down, they're not.
And they feel the same the other way around.
It's pretty annoying seeing some Republicans that are like, guys, guys, we're the party of principles.
We can't, we can't, we can't fall into this trap.
phil labonte
Principles.
tate brown
Like, we're going to principle our way into destruction.
shane cashman
Principles are way to this.
phil labonte
Principles lose, period.
I mean, if you're too principled to play the game that's being played, you will lose.
The people that want to be left alone will lose to the people that want to actually exercise power every single time.
And I see it all the time, especially as a reformed libertarian.
The libertarians love to say, well, I'm a libertarian and you don't do that.
We don't use the government for this and we don't use the government for that.
And I would love if that were the reality that we live in.
But we don't live in that reality.
We live in the world where if you don't exercise power when you have access to power, you can guarantee that your political foes are going to exercise power.
And that is going to possibly destroy your way of life.
shane cashman
And they're not afraid to use that.
phil labonte
Not at all.
shane cashman
They love using that power.
That's why they're screeching so crazy right now because they're out of power to some degree and they will lose.
They're losing their minds.
They're going to rile up their base to make it sound like this is worse than Pearl Harbor.
This is D-Day all over again.
That's the language they constantly use to scare people.
phil labonte
But one second, we've got this video from Texas Representative in hold on one second.
unidentified
Here we go.
85 ayes in six nays, the motion prevails.
The sergeant at arms and any officers appointed by her are directed to send for all absentees whose attendance is not excused for the purposes of securing and maintaining their attendance under warrant of arrest if necessary until further order of the house.
Members, under the rules, while the house is under a call, any member who wishes to leave the hall must have written permission of the speaker.
The chair is providing written permission to be entered in the journal for each member registered as present on today's roll call to leave the chamber and return tomorrow at 1 p.m.
Please return at the appointed time.
tate brown
Based.
shane cashman
So the gavel's great.
tate brown
Gavel's based in the little Jeopardy Bill.
shane cashman
It's like clownish.
phil labonte
I mean, this is a great example of exercising power when you have it.
If they follow through, of course.
It's one thing to make remarks from the floor of the state house.
It's different to actually have things in motion and actually happening.
But I personally would love to see the Texas delegate, the Texas representatives that left.
I'd love to see him get arrested.
I think it'd be civil.
So it'd be some kind of slap on the wrist.
No one's going to actually spend any time in jail.
shane cashman
Agreed, but they're also going to use it if they're smart.
It's good PR for them.
Getting arrested now, politicians getting arrested, they're mugshot.
It's great PR.
I don't know if that PR will help them in their path the way it helped Trump with his path, his mugshot, but they see that as a way of moving forward.
tate brown
Yeah, we had Tony Ortiz on the show today.
He current revolts like a Texas paper exclusively.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
He's talking about exactly what you're saying is that, okay, yeah, it's going to be great for us, but also Trump's the big boogeyman for them.
And so being prosecuted by Trump is going to be such a play for you if you're base.
phil labonte
Does this turn into, I mean, does this activate the base in the same way that Trump's mugshot activated the conservative base?
ellie bufkin
I think they've lost a lot of capital in that.
I think that four Years ago, yes.
I think during the first Trump administration, yes.
And in fact, they did this four years ago in 2021 over a voting ID law.
And the threats came, it kind of fizzled out.
They returned, they voted.
It was over.
I mean, and it's, and even then, they got more attention than, and I remember, you know, I was, I think I was working at Fox then and we covered it and it was like, oh, ha ha ha, you know, like these guys like leaving town and camping out and they're in Illinois or wherever they were.
Yeah, D.C. Yeah.
And, you know, they did it.
They did it before long ago.
In like 2003, they did it twice over redistricting.
So this is a card that they know how to play.
And I think unfortunately, they're not going to see the return.
I mean, I could be wrong, but I think you're right.
shane cashman
I think gerrymandering doesn't rile up their base as much as abortion does.
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
Well, also, like, this is not a good gauge of base either because the only reason this happens so much in Texas, this really only happens in Texas is because for a quorum, you need two-thirds to be president, where pretty much every other state's half.
So they could pull this card basically, like over, you know, if they changed at lunchtime or something.
shane cashman
They could, you know, beto-work thing, though.
Yeah, someone I really need to hear from.
tate brown
They're eating the Illinois dirt, it seemed like they're like, yeah, it's probably.
phil labonte
Beto'Rourke heard that the Democrats were running and he's like, I'm running too.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ellie bufkin
He's in it, man.
tate brown
He's eating the dirt up in Chicago.
It's got like casings in it.
phil labonte
He was, he was dying to do anything at all to be a public figure.
He tried everything, Senate, state rep, no, and he lost everything.
And I can't.
ellie bufkin
He won the first time.
I mean, he was in Congress and he gave that up.
His ambitions got too big.
shane cashman
They gave David Hogg more power than they gave me.
phil labonte
They did, didn't they?
That's brutal.
tate brown
That's brutal.
unidentified
That is interesting.
tate brown
You've seen a lot of white people pretend to be black, but when have you ever seen a white person LARP as Hispanic?
I mean, I mean, Alec Baldwin's wife and that.
shane cashman
Yeah, yeah, hilarious.
tate brown
And that's it.
That's like the two big ones.
shane cashman
The ice hits tougher these days.
phil labonte
It's more dangerous.
ellie bufkin
Yeah, you got to watch this.
tate brown
Oh, no, my name's Roberts.
phil labonte
I don't know what you're talking about, man.
Why don't we go to this story?
Kathy Hochel says that New York is exploring every option to redraw our state congressional lines to counteract Texas's new map.
New York Governor Kathy Hochel hosted Texas Democrat lawmakers at the state capitol on Wednesday after the lawmakers fled their state in order to deny Republican lawmakers.
The quorum needed to pass a redistricting proposal.
During her speech, Hochel said that she and other New York lawmakers were exploring options to conduct redistricting in the state to counteract redistricting in Texas.
I have a news flash for Republicans in Texas.
This is no longer the Wild West.
We're not going to tolerate our democracy being stolen in a modern-day stage ghost by a bunch of law-breaking cowboys.
unidentified
She's just laying it on there.
phil labonte
Americans don't want a system that's stacked against them.
They believe in fairness.
It's fundamental.
And I'll tell you this: they're done with the chaos.
They're done with the cruelty.
And I would say they're ready to vote Republicans out of power in Washington, certainly in the upcoming 2026 elections.
Are you sure about that, Kathy?
Circle the wagon.
No, I'm surprised she didn't go there.
ellie bufkin
It's funny because up until she says to vote out Republicans, it sounds like she's describing the Trump base, right?
I mean, it actually exactly describes like what happened and why Trump came into power in the first place.
Because people do feel like they're disenfranchised.
People do feel like they're not being listened to.
And that's exactly why this is the way that it is.
shane cashman
And this lady is a psychopath.
unidentified
Let's see what she's got.
shane cashman
Like, I fled New York as she was in a church saying, we need you to be our apostles.
kathy hochul
I have news flash for Republicans.
phil labonte
Let's see what she has to say.
unidentified
Jeez.
kathy hochul
Now I have news flash for Republicans in Texas.
This is no longer the Wild West.
We're not going to tolerate our democracy being stolen in a modern-day stage coach hoist by a bunch of law-breaking cowboys.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Making sound awesome.
kathy hochul
Americans don't want a system that's stacked against them.
ellie bufkin
She didn't write.
kathy hochul
They believe in fairness.
It's fundamental.
tate brown
No, we don't.
kathy hochul
I'll tell you this.
They're done with the chaos.
They're done with the cruelty.
And I would say they're ready to vote Republicans out of power in Washington, certainly in the upcoming 2026 elections.
unidentified
All right.
phil labonte
So this is four minutes long.
shane cashman
They made her in the same laboratory they made Pelosi.
It's just like a newer version.
I never realized that they looked similar.
ellie bufkin
It's just like Westworld.
She's just like the newer modern world.
shane cashman
Exactly.
tate brown
They do this thing where they have to larp like they're working class.
So the speech writers look so obnoxious.
Like, oh, yeah, this is how people talk out in the country.
And it's like the worst.
And then the worst is on the Republican side when they make all the guys try to emulate Trump.
Like they did with the Santus is they would like, because Trump, you know, he's like, I'm going to rough them up.
And everyone's like, yeah.
And then they had the Santus come out and they're like, we're going to slit their throats.
unidentified
I was like, oh, what is wrong with you?
tate brown
I'm the same thing.
phil labonte
They're a bunch of swashbuckling cowboy.
tate brown
Yeah, that sounds sick.
unidentified
She talks about engines in the next we're going to scalp them.
tate brown
That was an Indian.
ellie bufkin
The only person who can pull this off is Trump, though.
Nobody can exactly explain why.
It's like, why is Ricky Gervais the only person who can make age jokes work?
Like, nobody knows.
It's the same thing.
Like, only Trump can talk like this.
Everybody else sounds masochistic and terrifying.
tate brown
And she's like, Americans care about fairness.
I'm like, are you new here?
This is a country of temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
I will switch up on everyone if it means a million dollars.
phil labonte
You can't be fair.
I mean, that's the argument that I make all the time.
Like, Americans care about kitchen table issues.
They care about, can I pay my bills?
Can I afford to get my kids into the school that I wanted to go in?
Like, everybody cares about their wallet.
And everything else that they say they care about is tertiary to their wallet.
Even now, with Gen X being favorable to socialist policies, they're not favorable to actual communism because they don't conceptualize actual communism.
They think I'm going to get free stuff.
And that's good because I can't afford to pay my bills.
If the average Gen Z person had $100,000 in the bank now, they wouldn't feel that way, right?
Like they wouldn't feel like, oh, I'm favorable to confiscatory tax policy because they'd be like, that's going to take my stuff.
And so the idea that it's somehow baked into young people to actually want a socialist president or socialist policies.
No, they want to be able to pay their bills.
They want to feel like they can afford to live.
They want to be able to pay their rent.
And now, because of the past 15 years since the economic crisis, because of the way that the federal government and the Federal Reserve has been handling monetary policy, because of those things, it's coming down on Gen Z. Like they're the ones that are paying for it.
And it's something that, again, I'm a reform libertarian, but like back in the day, I was the guy that was screaming about this is going to come back to bite America in the ass.
This is going to be a massive problem.
And now it is.
shane cashman
I think the younger crowd subconsciously embraces capitalism while trying to embrace a false idea of socialism, communism, you know, because they're out there protesting with all their technology that they can afford and do the things they think they can do at home, like their poetry books, but they don't understand the endgame for socialism, communism, feeding off of them, owning Them, you know, turning them into slaves.
They see this false idea of a paradise that they've been lied to about.
ellie bufkin
I agree with you.
And I think that, you know, I mean, a lot of it is a lack of understanding and a lack of just intellect about what capitalism, what socialism is, what Marxism is.
But, you know, more than that, they're kind of conditioned to be comfortable.
And I've heard, you know, you guys talk about this on the show for weeks now.
There's just a lack of interest in bettering yourself.
So this idea of getting free stuff is just kind of like tacking on to the fact that I can live on the bare minimum, whatever that is, and I'll just take whatever is free and I'll learn to live with it.
I'll learn to live with 16 dudes and I'll just never have kids and I'll never save any money and that's fine with me.
And there's this mentality.
And I don't even think it's limited to Gen Z or Gen Alpha.
I mean, I think that there's people in my age group who are suffering through this too.
So I'm not really sure what the solution is, but they have them.
Like people like Hookle have them right where they want them.
You know, they're ready for the free stuff without actually putting too much thought into what it means.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, most of the time people don't associate the free stuff with all of the strings that are attached, but nothing that comes from the government comes without strings.
And you can actually see it the way that the government treats the federal government treats the states, right?
So you get states that have all this, you know, federal money for, say, roads, right?
For interstate systems.
Well, to get that money, you have to do things that whatever administration is in power says.
And there's the generalized ones, like you have to have your alcohol sales, the age limit has to be 21.
It can't be lower.
And if you lower it, the federal government will stop giving you money for roads, right?
Like that, that was the way that they got nationwide 21 is the age for the drinking age, right?
But there's other things that depend on who the actual president is.
And Donald Trump is doing this all the time.
Whether or not you like these policies or whatever, Donald Trump adds strings to federal funding all the time.
So the idea that you get anything for free is a mirage.
There's always strings attached, and the government's always going to be like, you have to do this if you want to get this.
shane cashman
In fact, the Treasury Department right now accepts PayPal and Venmo.
If anyone has any extra cash for some reason that you want to help with the national debt, send it their way.
I'm sure you don't need it.
tate brown
That'd be kind of, that's actually kind of base.
I'm going to do that.
Get a head start on my taxes.
ellie bufkin
You never get anything you don't ask for.
phil labonte
That's not a head start on your taxes.
This is just a gift to the government.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
I love the government.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ellie bufkin
No tax deductible.
tate brown
With Zoomers, it's just, because I'm a Zoomer, we're just so nihilistic about how broken everything is that it's like you kind of have to have like a radical ideology.
It's like being a moderate is like so like gagly gay.
phil labonte
It's boomer coded.
tate brown
Well, it's like it's boomer coded and it's like, so you know, you're like hanging out with like other Zoomers and you're like, oh, you're like a paleo-Marxist Leninist.
Oh, I'm like a radical like monarchist.
Dude, like, tell me what all your thing.
Like, what's your radical ideology?
We're all on lists.
That's the problem.
phil labonte
It's all the Zoomer waffing.
tate brown
Yeah, that's what it is.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tate brown
We're all, we're all on lists now.
ellie bufkin
I think we're all just waiting for like the political flags, right?
So like we can like add ourselves to like stripes and letters.
And yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, the problem with the demand for radical politics is there's real world consequences that honestly they don't like that they don't think about, right?
Like, you know, there's, there's, it's not like radical politics are actually new.
There's no radical politics.
There's, there's old politics that are radical now that people are talking about, which is, you know, whether it be the, the, again, the Zoomer Waffen or whether you're talking about the actual communists, you know, the Marxist-Leninists and stuff.
That's radical, but it's not new.
It's just, it's stuff that's been tried before and hasn't produced positive results.
shane cashman
And a whole few generations learned during the summer of love that violence in burning down cities does have results in their favor.
And like you're like, well, former vice president could donate money for your bail.
phil labonte
How did it actually work in their favor?
Did those people temporarily?
Because I don't think that I would say that they didn't get anything actually beneficial out of it.
Maybe they didn't have to go to jail and pay like the price that you'd expect for being violent.
shane cashman
You mean personally they got anything or societally?
phil labonte
Either way.
shane cashman
Because I feel like their society for a bit of time bent over for them.
They also corporations did.
phil labonte
And they got a sugar high.
shane cashman
Yeah, yeah.
Like I don't think it was there was a longevity to it, but they got what they wanted, but it didn't last.
tate brown
I think there was longevity.
I think they had, from their perspective, they advanced the football because they pushed the Democrat Party in a more radical and radical way.
I mean, okay, yeah, society reeled back with the Trump election, but the Democrat Party's forever changed because of 2020.
shane cashman
Yeah.
I mean, all the politicians, I mean, we had politicians crying at George Floyd's funeral with his gold casket.
We had the NBA doing their thing for it.
Like everyone kind of bent over.
tate brown
I don't think it's going anywhere either.
Like the Democrat Party, that is still, if anything, the base is actually mad that they're not radical enough.
phil labonte
So then maybe, so maybe now's a good time to go on to this story here.
From the post-millennial, Elizabeth Warren confirms Zohran Mamdani's message is the Democratic message.
Senator Elizabeth Warren joined New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani on when saying when I think that means Wednesday saying that the candidate socialist platform is the democratic message.
When someone stands up and says, I will lead this city by making it more affordable.
And here are my plans, real plans, plans to deliver on childcare, plans to deliver on housing, plans to deliver, we're going to experiment.
We're going to try things on groceries.
That is the Democratic message.
Warren joined Mamdani at the DC 37 union building to express support for his universal child care proposal per the New York Post.
For me, New York City is the place to start the conversation for Democrats on how affordability is the central issue, the central reason to be a Democrat, and that delivering on it in meaningful, tangible ways that will touch working families is why we're here.
See, whether or not people want to admit it, the idea of affordability is something that's going to resonate with young people because they can't afford stuff now.
So even though this is the policies that he's actually talking about are horrible, they're policies that will take New York backwards.
They're going to destroy investment.
They're going to probably destroy people's ability to actually get food.
If you have municipal grocery stores, they're going to end up with empty shelves because there's other places where you can get eggs.
They're not going to be able to compete and they're going to have to try to affect the other grocery stores to be able to compete.
These are all, you know, the policies like rent control are terrible.
They end up making the places that people have rent control.
They make those places into slums because nobody wants to invest to fix those places when things break down.
They're all destructive policies.
But when they're sold to the electorate as this is to make things more affordable and the electorate cannot afford things, they're going to say, yeah, that's a good, that's a good deal for me.
You know, I mean, I agree.
shane cashman
And these people like AOC, they don't even want you to work.
You know, like I remember, this just reminded me of that time, was it Amazon moving into her district and she down and she voted it away?
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
And that was going to bring in a ton of jobs, but this will be more appealing.
I'm sure there were people who were very mad about that in that district.
phil labonte
Yeah, people in her district.
shane cashman
Right.
They were yelling at her, right?
phil labonte
They were pissed.
shane cashman
Yeah, yeah.
ellie bufkin
Here's the, oh, sorry.
shane cashman
No, no, no, go for it.
ellie bufkin
No, but here's the thing that I truly predict.
And having lived in New York many, many years at this point and seen so many of these policies actually come into play.
You know, I think a lot of people are predicting, oh, if he wins, everyone's going to leave.
Well, first of all, most everybody who's going to leave already left.
Like most people who, anybody who's still there has to be there.
I mean, that's the only reason for it at this point.
I generally think these policies are harmful.
And anybody who lives in New York long enough is going to realize that they're not going to get anything for free.
They're not going to be able to overcome the incredible rent problem that they already have in New York.
And I'm sorry, but $15 an hour is not a living wage.
So I'm not sure what world you live in.
And coming from the restaurant industry, 15 years and most of it in New York, that was extremely harmful.
And the result was that most people lost their jobs.
Not that they actually were able to afford their rent.
shane cashman
Some of the waitresses in Manhattan do all right.
And now with the tips, maybe.
You know, I wonder how the tips are going to help them.
ellie bufkin
Except they don't because there's only half of the amount that they used to be, and they don't get tipped because the service is terrible because there's not enough people on the floor because they have to pay people benefits.
They have to pay people these exorbitant minimum wages.
Restaurants operate on this like sliver margin.
shane cashman
I mean, I knew people who work in restaurants and hotels, and those hotels were taken to give in to illegals.
ellie bufkin
Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman
Like they lost their jobs and these guys got debit cards.
ellie bufkin
Most of the restaurants that I worked for in New York lost their property because of that.
They were all in hotels.
It was Danny Meyer.
This is very famous.
He had Myelino and Marta and the Redwood Hotel and the Gramercy Park Hotel.
And both of those restaurants are gone because of that.
Not because of the pandemic, but because of migrants in the hotels.
shane cashman
Insane.
ellie bufkin
These are what the policies actually cause.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tate brown
And I can't wait for when, not that I want, because Trump's the guy.
He should be Caesar back to the round of policies.
But when Trump's out of the way, I can't wait for the knife fight in the Democrat Party between the DSA and the old stock Democrats, so to speak, because I mean, there's going to be one side has all the money and then the other side has all the passion.
And it's going to be so fun watching this.
I mean, it's going to be delicious.
phil labonte
Back to that point that you were making about, you know, the businesses leaving.
Do you foresee if Momdani does win, and it's looking like he's going to, do you foresee New York becoming like Detroit?
Is it possible for New York City to be hollowed out like that?
Because I can imagine, you know, a lot of people.
I know you made the argument that the people that can leave have already left.
I don't know that I believe that.
I think there are a lot of people that wanted to pay more because it made them feel good.
A lot of wealthy people, you know, on the upper east and west side that have nice apartments around Central Park and stuff, or nice condos.
And those people, if the government starts actually going after their, you know, their savings, saying, you know, you've got this, this unrealized gain, you know, unrealized or taxes on unrealized gains or whatever.
I think that those people will be like, okay, now this is too much for me.
And they might start leaving.
And that, do you foresee a possibility?
ellie bufkin
I think that it's hard to compare it to Detroit, which really lost its soul because of the death of the American-made automotive industry.
So that really is kind of difficult to compare.
phil labonte
Couldn't you conceptualize the financial industry saying, you know what, I don't need to, we don't need to be.
ellie bufkin
So much more than, I think, much more likely in this scenario.
phil labonte
They don't have factories.
ellie bufkin
Much more likely in this scenario is that they're going to elect Mondami and then they're going to realize what they've done.
And the buyer's remorse is going to result in a massive pendulum swing long before he has the chance to rot that city to its core.
People understand that New York is New York.
It's the heart and soul of media.
It's the heart and soul of news and politics.
phil labonte
But if it's young people that don't have any money and don't have anything to lose, are there enough older people with money and with things to lose that would vote against those people to say, okay, we actually have enough influence.
You think there's enough?
ellie bufkin
I think that the young people are going to lose interest in this.
I think that the worst thing that could happen to the Democratic Party right now is Zohan Mondami.
I think that him winning this election is going to show everybody, is going to show everybody exactly what they're playing with.
It's going to reveal every card that they've been trying to use and it's going to be an enormous problem for them.
tate brown
New York City also has like a really transitory population.
So the under 35 crowd right now, completely different from what the under 35 crowd was 20 years ago.
So the amount of cultural changes that are going to occur with young people in New York City in the next five, 10 years when that churn happens.
I mean, like, I think the average New Yorker that's on, I saw a stat and it was the average New Yorker under 35 loser for like four and a half years.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tate brown
It's like the Zoroan voters are going to be gone in five years anyway.
shane cashman
I also feel like New York City is capable of dying coming back.
Like I think how it was in the 70s.
It was a big deal.
ellie bufkin
It has more times than that.
shane cashman
Way more times than that.
So there's always, I think, hope for that place.
Maybe Trump will be mayor.
ellie bufkin
Yeah.
And I spend so much time complaining about it, you know, in print, not, you know, in podcasts and stuff.
And it's like, you know, I could, I could live there again.
I like it.
I mean, it is, it is what it is.
It's New York.
I have no interest in going to Detroit.
unidentified
I'm sorry if anybody's awesome.
tate brown
Chicago's staying on its feet even with like two back-to-back, like full-blown, like communist, like low IQ.
Like people.
ellie bufkin
Yeah, they got rid of, you know, What's Your Face and then got something?
shane cashman
Yeah, they got rid of Beetlejuice and brought in if the city, if New York City descends into violence more, that might make people move.
Do you think?
ellie bufkin
Yeah, I think that's the really the thing is the safety issue.
And most of the people that I know who left during the pandemic, I know a lot of people who were, you know, conservative media who left, but more specifically, people left because they had kids and they were just afraid that this was not a good place to happen anymore.
shane cashman
We were getting threatened to have our heads chopped off on the subways with our baby shoes.
Not from Brooklyn to Harlem.
ellie bufkin
People just running around with machetes threatening to chop your head.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Even the suburbs in and around, like Connecticut, New Jersey, still growing a lot.
So it's like even the suburbs in around New York City are still dependent on New York City.
So even if there's a capital flight from New York City itself, a lot of that will just land in Westchester, Bergen.
ellie bufkin
It would have to be a generation of Marxist communism in that city to get to the point that you described.
I mean, I think it is on the table, but I predict it will, it'll self-correct long before that.
tate brown
I mean, we're seeing, you know, we're seeing, yeah, I mean, we're seeing now where San Francisco had much more sensitive industry, and now they're kind of coming to their senses a little bit.
They're like doing more modernity.
And it's like, and they're going to probably be fine to some degree because this is America and there's just a lot of capital in America.
It would take a lot to end up in a Detroit situation for a city of the magnitude of New York City.
So it's going to, yeah, probably, like you said, you probably will.
The New York Post is going to have some really good headlines in the next two years, two to three years.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
My favorite New York Post headline from the city is headless body in a topless bar.
That's a great one.
tate brown
That's really good.
ellie bufkin
It's a classic.
tate brown
Yeah.
I know they have a table at the New York Post and they're just sitting around just like, bang, did it again, dude?
ellie bufkin
They do.
I mean, that's not a fantasy.
That's legitimately the news.
tate brown
Well, they have like, there's got to be like one table just in charge of giving a different name to a criminal every time.
ellie bufkin
But there's headline writers.
Like they literally don't write copy.
They just write headlines.
shane cashman
It's in our form.
tate brown
Babble rousers.
Like they just are trying to come up with as many names as possible.
phil labonte
I love that.
I mean, headlines and what's going to get a click is one of the most important currencies that exist in the online 2025.
ellie bufkin
I mean, there's a reason this.
phil labonte
I mean, how much?
tate brown
I don't think the Post is even worried about headlines or making money.
I think they just want to prefer art.
I think it's just art.
shane cashman
It's all performance.
unidentified
You're still full.
tate brown
It's a gift to America.
phil labonte
There you go.
tate brown
We're losing money.
This is for you.
ellie bufkin
In fairness, they can't be making money on print anymore.
And they're still like the number one circulator of actual physical copies.
So it's got to be the art.
tate brown
It's a room full of just patrons.
unidentified
It's beautiful.
tate brown
It's a very beautiful thing.
serge du preez
Dude, they literally make money on their, on like their web games, right?
On their browser games.
Isn't that where like there's stuff that you can buy on Play Store?
Isn't that where they make most of their money?
I thought that's where they're making most of their money.
I don't know.
tate brown
Like New York Times is probably just like profit by Wordle at this point.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
They have to have a lot of people.
ellie bufkin
Totally is.
shane cashman
Or the Chinese Communist Party.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
New York Times is.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, look, there's the Communist Party in, or the New York Times has been run by the Communist Party since the 30s.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Got him some Pulitzers.
phil labonte
What was his name that was lying about the Soviet Union?
shane cashman
I always forget his name.
He went over to.
phil labonte
Durante.
shane cashman
William Durante.
phil labonte
William Duranty.
shane cashman
He was over there and didn't write about it.
He basically said there was no famine happening.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I've seen the future and it's working.
tate brown
They're dieting.
It's not.
It's called intermittent fasting.
phil labonte
It's nutrition.
It's going to be great in 100 years or years.
shane cashman
It's a Pulitzer.
phil labonte
Yeah.
But I mean, I don't know that I'm as optimistic as you guys about New York City because I think that the population is going to end up if, like hypothetically, if Momdani wins, he institutes these policies and then they don't work.
And I think that only radicalizes people more.
Like the most important thing for Donald Trump is to have economic policies that work.
Everybody, you hear a lot of people making noise about, you know, about the Epstein list.
You hear a lot of people making noise about Israel.
You hear a lot of people making noise about, oh, there haven't been people arrested yet.
He hasn't done enough to clean the swamp, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
The reason that he got elected was because he was going to do good things for the economy.
And that's what people heard when they said we're going to deport illegal immigrants, right?
They elected him because he was going to deport illegal immigrants.
And people translated that in their heads to, I will be able to find jobs and better jobs and more jobs for Americans.
It's economics.
So if his economic policies don't pan out, that means that it's likely that someone like an AOC or like, not that he could win because he wasn't born here, but like a Zoran Momdani, someone with those kind of policies could win the presidential election in, you know, 2030 or whatever, whenever the next one is, I forget.
But yeah, like, I feel like the failures of this particular administration or the failures of a Mamdani administration only help to feed the radicals.
It doesn't mean that people are going to say, no, we have to go back to the ways that have actually worked because the young people and people that are upset now don't believe those ways ever worked.
shane cashman
I think, okay, going down your path, I see that possibility because in the left, especially in the younger generations, widespread nihilism, so a bad economy and suffering might just make it part of their like DNA.
Like this is helping, we have to self-sacrifice.
phil labonte
Because people right now, the people that think that leftist policies are a good idea, they look at this world that we live in and they don't see that capitalism is what built it.
They think that it just is, right?
If you talk to a kid that's that's got favorable opinions of communism or whatever, he doesn't think, oh, well, you know, communism might be okay, but it's capitalism that's gotten us here.
It's capitalism that's raised basically everyone on earth out of abject poverty.
Like in 2030, there will be no one left on the planet that lives on less than a dollar, like two bucks a day, right?
And it's not socialism that's produced that.
It's not at all.
It's capitalism, but they don't see that.
And you try to tell them that and they're not hearing it because believe me, I'll get on X and I'll argue with anybody and I'll be like, you know, this is what's going on.
And to hear them talk, they don't understand or they it doesn't compute to them that this world that we live in with all this abundance and the fact that you can use your phone to order DoorDash and have it brought to your house and then pay for it with Klarna.
Like all that stuff is because of capitalism.
Not that Klarna's a bad idea.
It's a terrible idea.
ellie bufkin
If you're waiting for DoorDash with Klarna, you have a lot of problems.
phil labonte
It's a horrible idea.
shane cashman
That's awesome.
phil labonte
But the point is, like all of that is because of capitalism and they don't understand that.
They think, no, capitalism is why my life is bad.
Capitalism is why things are hard.
Capitalism is why I don't get to do the things that I want to do.
Even though the things that they want to do don't exist in the absence of capitalism.
And it's something that you see on the left a lot.
People on the left love to produce these memes that say, oh, 50 guerrilla people died of capitalism because they didn't have clean water and they didn't have medicine and they didn't have food and they didn't have this.
And it's like all of the things you're talking about, they don't get without capitalism.
And they just assume that medicine and technological advances and all of this stuff happens in the absence of capitalism and it doesn't.
So I don't know that they understand the world they live in.
The foundation is markets and liberty.
shane cashman
It's been on purpose.
That's why things like the Cultural Revolution have to destroy history so they can rebuild you.
You're born again into this fake religion of Marxism to destroy, to rebuild this utopia.
And like, it's not to say that capitalism has massive flaws, like massive flaws, but it's still right now what we got.
And what I'm like, that's what I'm, what you're saying is that's exactly what I mean by them subconsciously embracing capitalism.
They're taking part in all of it, but they've been force-fed this idea of like no family, no real work, no legacy, no beauty.
So they're suffering as part of their policy.
tate brown
Yeah.
shane cashman
Policy.
tate brown
But it's like, too, it's like we've, I mean, the right has invested so much money and time into like media promoting capitalism and free markets for the last 50 years.
And like there's been pretty much no fruit.
And then Trump comes along.
I don't even know if he's ever mentioned the word capitalism once.
He's just like, we're going to make deals.
It's going to be great.
Like we're going to have a huge building in New York with my name on it.
That's what people want to hear.
People want like, you know how they get, I don't think he's ever explained like Keynesian model before in his entire life.
He's like, he's just, he wants to make a deal.
And it's like young people just need to believe.
And if you get really into the weeds on this, like Zoron isn't getting up there explaining like market because people are going through his website and looking at all his policies and their brains working.
They're like, why is it?
This doesn't even work.
This doesn't compute.
It's like, because it doesn't matter.
It's about the vibes.
You have to sell.
Americans are a vibes-based people.
You have to sell the vibe.
So the right can't like overcorrect and start getting really into like economics textbooks and stuff because that's what like, you know, not going to say the names they've been doing for years and it's not working so then if vibes are how you sell people on something how do you make young people understand trump's done it trump's done it so i mean trump crushes with young men because it's awesome because no i know i know i told i'm letting you i'm gonna build i'm gonna push back on that trump crushes with young men because the democrats hate young men
phil labonte
look it's if trump if trump wasn't the only option I don't think Trump would be as popular with young men.
The option is Donald Trump or we hate you and hope you die.
tate brown
No, because when Trump's not on the ballot, Republicans do terribly because I think young men love Trump.
I mean, they hate Democrats because, like you said, they are stay home.
But like Trump just provides something that just connects.
Like I've never found an 80-year-old man relatable in my entire life until Donald Trump.
ellie bufkin
I agree with you.
And I think that if you look at the last election results, it's clear that, I mean, Trump didn't win the popular vote and the Electoral College because the Democrats screwed up so badly.
I mean, they did, but he also won because he had a message that resonated.
There was more.
There was a little bit of column man and a lot of Columbi.
But I think it's really important.
And you said something that I really want to go back to, which is the religion of socialism and Marxism.
And that is what's working so well for the left right now is they've created this sort of cult vibe and it's very, very attractive.
It's the same thing, you know, the trans flag with all the colors.
You can be in our club.
You're in the cult.
You can wave the colors.
You can wear the badge.
You've got this.
And that is very difficult to break into.
And it's the same problem that Europe is dealing with with having extremists living in their and you know in their countries and having neighborhoods that are just been taken over.
You can't compete with the ideology.
The ideology is strong.
So I'm not sure what the answer is there.
phil labonte
Calling it a religion is really hitting the nail in the head.
Look, it gives people, if you're a young, you know, say you're a young white guy, right?
And you've been told all your life since you were little, you've heard, even if you're not told, you just hear, right?
Just you're, you live in this society where you hear white men are bad, men are bad, boys are toxic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then you find out that if you just like guys or if you decide that you want to be a woman, you can.
And it's literally a way for you.
It's a way out for you.
And you just have to swallow the ideology whole.
It's, I can imagine that it is incredibly attractive for people that are awkward, that don't can't find their way in, you know, in life.
And at a time when you're going through puberty, you're about to go through puberty, if you're not the most masculine dude, if you're not a, you know, a dude that's able to assert himself, that doesn't feel like he's a winner, which, I mean, when you're a teenager, who does?
unidentified
Sure.
phil labonte
You know, that, that kind of ideology, that, that, that possible way out is incredibly attractive.
shane cashman
It's crazy to see how that ideology has spread to just beyond the young group because there's parents who are willing to sacrifice their children for that idea, like to mutilate your child.
phil labonte
Mostly that's a death cult.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman
But there's guys too, you know, effeminate dudes.
phil labonte
That's the dudes end up joining and being a part of it.
I mean, look at the Kardashians, you know, Jenner, you know, Caitlin Jenner.
shane cashman
You can say Bruce.
phil labonte
Bruce, whatever.
You know, Bruce, like he, he won at life, won gold medal.
Was on the weeds.
He was the guy on the Wheaties box, right?
And then he's like, my daughters are hotter than me.
ellie bufkin
Have you actually seen there's like a, I never watch the Kardashians, but have you actually seen the clip where he is explaining to his daughters that he's going to become a woman?
And like they're hysterical, like and not in a good way.
I mean, it's a really sad scene.
I mean, and now you have to think about this.
He's been Caitlin Jenner now for a long time.
But before that, you know, he was Bruce and he was this Olympian and he was, like you said, winning at life.
But this was something that was so difficult for his family.
And it just, I mean, my immediate thought was like, who's helping this man?
Like, there's just, I mean, it's just such a sad thing that like clearly he's just going through it and like destroying his family to get to that end.
shane cashman
And, you know, that family has good access to plastic surgeons.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's that good.
shane cashman
That's good.
Not for him.
It works so well for Bruce.
But the other three are like clone new versions.
tate brown
We'll take it back into the garage.
ellie bufkin
Chris Jenner looks great.
All right.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's Adriana Christ.
ellie bufkin
That's just an objective truth.
tate brown
That is like the undercurrent of left-wing thought is it's an attack on beauty.
And like, for example, if you're, if you're a young person, what is more beautiful than having a child extending your bloodline?
So of course they're going to try and push homosexuality on you because it nukes your bloodline.
Same thing with transgenders.
You're taking Bruce Jenner.
I'm not going to call him beautiful, but you're taking a specimen, right?
A physical specimen.
This is peak human performance.
And to rip them down and destroy them and, you know, hot swap and weld on some skin on his own.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And he's got like a grenade blast on his arm.
I mean, what is more horrifying than, and that's what they're trying to push.
They're trying to destroy something that's the pinnacle of humanity.
That's an Olympian.
shane cashman
And that's how they redefine beauty because to them, that's I don't even know if they're trying.
tate brown
I don't think they're even trying to redefine beauty.
I think they're trying to normalize ugly.
shane cashman
Yeah, raise ugliness.
tate brown
You see it everywhere.
You go to like Boston, you see their city hall.
They look at it.
That's beautiful.
They know it's hideous.
ellie bufkin
Once you do these surgeries on people, like you, you, you take away their ability to change their mind because now they've become lifelong patients where they're going to have to constantly address this and you can't undo it.
I mean, and you listen to these just harrowing stories from like de-transitioners about like what they've gone through and the type of support they got from people who swore a Hippocratic oath to do no harm and did exactly that.
I mean, it's really.
phil labonte
To your point, one of the things the left talks about, you hear the phrase center the margins, right?
And they say that the people on the margins should be made the center.
That doesn't work for society at all, right?
Like you have to have a society that focuses on the majority of the people and says this is how we're going to have our society organized.
And if you want to live on the margins, that's acceptable.
And in a society like ours, we can make room for people to live on the margins, but that doesn't mean that we have to center them.
All government policy should focus on families, normal.
And I'm using the term normal intentionally, normal men and women married together, having kids, hopefully three, you know, because that's what's normal and that's what you need to reproduce your society.
And the idea that it is good for the government to promote things that will not help produce more of the society is ridiculous.
It's literally counterproductive to the society.
Like, why are you going to say, oh, we're going to make special accommodations for trans people, for gay people, for non-binary people, whatever.
We're going to make special accommodations and center Those people in our policymaking when those people are not going to reproduce the society.
They're just not going to do it.
I mean, it's the most counterproductive thing a government can do is to say, we're going to take the people on the margins and center them.
No, you center, you focus on the people in the center and make sure that normal families, again, using the phrase normal intentionally because normal means man, woman, kids, normal families have what they need to be successful.
And that being the idea that that's a hateful perspective, which is what, I mean, there are people that would clip this or would clip this and say, Phil is a bigot for saying that.
I don't care if you're going to call me a bigot for saying that normal people are normal.
But normal, the word normal has a meaning, and that's what the government should be focusing on doing its best to hold up and support.
And if you live on, if you want to have a life that's on the margins, it's okay.
There's nothing that is going to, we're going to stop you, but you don't get to be the center of attention.
You can be on the margins.
You can have your friend group and whatever, but the government is going to look at people that are normal and say, this is what we want to see more of, because this is what produces more people.
shane cashman
Even if only for the fact that it produces more tax base, but attacking the normal and embracing the fringe is how they collapse the society, which is what they want so they can flood it with their insanity.
tate brown
Yeah.
I mean, and I think, I don't know, I think gays are like probably better off if they're on the fringe because that's when like you think like the 70s and 80s, like they're making good music, like there's good art coming out.
And then we like put them in the center and you get like RuPaul's drag race or whatever.
shane cashman
Barack Obama.
tate brown
You get Obama.
I mean, it's like, it sucks.
It's like, I don't know.
Maybe like, I don't even know if they're happy being political about it.
ellie bufkin
They may have overshadowed when they realize like the 25-year-old Republican man is like the punk rock version of 2025.
tate brown
Like the coolest gay guy in the last 30 years is like George Santos.
He was like a rock star.
shane cashman
Yeah, now he's getting street cred.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Oh, yeah, he's a gangster.
shane cashman
Too much time in jail.
tate brown
Sweaters is tough.
Sweater is the new, like, yeah, the new like orange jumpsuit.
phil labonte
All right, we're going to jump to this next story here.
Benjamin Netanyahu has decided on full occupation of the Gaza Strip reports.
This is from Newsweek.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has decided that the Israeli Defense Force should push to fully occupy the besieged Gaza Strip, including operating in areas where hostages are being held, according to multiple media reports.
The Prime Minister's office also conveyed a message to Lieutenant General Eal Zamir, the Army's chief of staff, saying, if this does not suit him, you should resign, according to Euronews and I-24's diplomatic correspondent, Amichai Stein.
Newsweek reached out to Netanyahu's office for comment via email on Monday.
Israeli media reported that the cabinet will meet on Tuesday to come to a formal decision on the matter.
The Israeli prime minister's report reported decision comes after months of ceasefire talks between his government and Hamas, with both sides accusing each other of repeated violations.
Israel has also faced increased international pressure to reach a ceasefire deal as Hamas releases videos showing emaciated Israeli hostages being held in Gaza, which the group said was the result of Israel's blockade of humanitarian aid to the war-torn territory.
This is something that has been kind of obvious that it was going to happen.
I don't know what people thought or if people thought that there was another option.
Israel's not going to allow Hamas to remain as the government.
If there were an election in Gaza, Hamas would win still.
So I feel like this is, there are people that are going to be up in arms about it, but I feel like this was kind of the, this was going to be the obvious end result anyways.
You know, Israel's going to occupy that for at least five years to a decade.
ellie bufkin
Well, maybe.
But I think that more importantly, this is very symbolic in that it signals that there's an agreement between Netanyahu and President Trump that he will be, Netanyahu and Israel will be supported in this maneuver.
So there are, first of all, Hamas has unfortunately gotten quite a lot of support from the international heads of state, including Kier Starmer, including Canada, including Emmanuel Macron.
And it's given them power and confidence that they can continue doing exactly what they're doing.
Starmer made, you know, giving Palestine recognition contingent on Israel making changes to avoid that made no such threats towards Hamas.
Hamas can continue holding hostages, starving them, splashing that all over the media and doing whatever they're doing to subvert aid from GHF from the UN.
So there's no way that Hamas is going to stop.
They have no reason to.
They have enough international support that they could continue doing this forever.
The sad truth is they could avoid being occupied by Israel.
They could avoid being rattled by the United States by simply releasing the remaining hostages and stopping this.
It would restore food and aid to their citizens.
Everything would be fine.
They won't do that because they don't actually care about their own people.
And unfortunately, you're absolutely right.
There is only one power, one governing power in Gaza, and it is Hamas, a bona fide terrorist organization.
So unfortunately, this is necessary.
This is exactly what needs to happen.
It's not going to be pretty.
You know, it's nice to read it that way.
We're going to do it.
We're going to get the hostage.
It's going to be great.
It's not going to look great.
It's, you know, already Israel is facing this just enormous international pressure about this aid.
I've never heard of an aggressed nation having to help the belligerents before, but that's where we are.
And the United States is there too.
Obviously, the press is terrible for them.
And it's not going to get a ton better with this.
But unfortunately, I think that it's down to the last option.
Time's up.
There's just no more time left.
shane cashman
If the Epstein files are in Gaza, then I support it.
I just need to say that for Phil.
I don't think either side of this war cares about their people.
And I don't want our country to have anything to do with it.
I'm so tired of helping other countries right now.
phil labonte
You know, our countries.
You know, Ireland called for the UN to possibly go into Israel to stop Israel.
shane cashman
Ireland?
phil labonte
Ireland?
shane cashman
My homeland?
phil labonte
Ireland called, yeah, the Irish prime minister who looks who looks, I mean, it's like a comedy show.
He looks just like a leprechaun.
ellie bufkin
He does.
phil labonte
Like when you see it's, it's, you're a bigot.
That's fine.
It's not the first time someone said that.
But like he looks, it looks like it's, it's hilarious.
But they were calling for the UN to go into Israel.
Who makes up the military might of the UN?
It's not Ireland.
shane cashman
Does Ireland have planes and tanks?
phil labonte
No.
tate brown
Also, Ireland is like still LARPing like they're oppressed in 2025.
It's like, bro, the famine was like 300 years ago.
ellie bufkin
People laugh so easily at like Irish people as though they weren't committing horrible terrorist acts and like just like 30 years ago.
Like it was pretty recent.
phil labonte
But they weren't doing it to us.
ellie bufkin
But they were blowing up members of the royal family in a rowboat.
Like things were really dark for a while.
They're capable of a lot.
That said, I don't think they have a lot of violence.
tate brown
Yeah, they're like equipment.
Yeah, and they're doing the LARPing with like the ball of clavos and everything.
I'm like, your average citizen there works at like Microsoft now.
It's like, and you make like double the British salary.
So it's like, all right, cool it, you know, O'Hagins or whatever his name is.
phil labonte
It's like, but still, like, the idea that the United States should go in, again, because when you talk about the UN doing anything, what you're really saying is the United States, because the United States is the actual muscle behind the UN.
tate brown
Peacekeepers is not peacekeepers.
The majority are from like the Indian subcontinent.
ellie bufkin
United States versus the UN is kind of a big deal, right?
phil labonte
I don't think that is.
unidentified
I don't think that he was talking about peacekeepers.
tate brown
That's the only option they would have if the UN were to intervene.
And it'd be hilarious.
The UN peacekeepers are like the most incompetent military on planet Earth.
Like people join just to settle scores.
ellie bufkin
It's a little blueberries.
phil labonte
Can you imagine Indians in Israel?
Like they wouldn't be just slaughtering Jews.
Like, come on.
tate brown
Wait for the Rumble and censor.
phil labonte
If you look at the, I mean, isn't India where they have like a fond opinion of Adolf Hitler because he was fighting?
tate brown
Yeah, they love Hitler, but they also love Israel.
They're very complicated.
phil labonte
Well, they love Israel too?
tate brown
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
You go on Twitter and it's like, it'll be like the lion, and it's like Israel is like a cub and then India behind it.
ellie bufkin
Like, we got your back.
shane cashman
What part of Twitter you are?
ellie bufkin
I'm going to take this moment to do my part here as a representative from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
And we defend, obviously, Israel quite a lot as a beleaguered democracy that they are.
America first is not America alone.
And I think that it's really important that we continue to recognize who our democratic allies are.
We have important partners in the Middle East, but no more than Israel.
If we don't help Israel do everything that we can, and they depend on us to do that, very obviously, they will be destroyed much sooner than you think.
And it's absolutely imperative for our own homeland security, our kitchen table issues, that we maintain the safety and security of our democratic ally in the Middle East.
shane cashman
And I get that, but I stopped caring about other countries at this point.
After you care about the U.S., I do, but that is also a failed country.
Can you help me outline why?
phil labonte
Can you just unpack why it is that you say that it's so important for Israel to be for the U.S. to support Israel?
Because the reason I say this is because there's a lot of people specifically that are our viewers that aren't particularly friendly to Israel and I think that think along the lines of shame that the U.S. should not be worried about foreign countries.
unidentified
Yeah.
ellie bufkin
Well, so first of all, like look at Israel on a geopolitical map that it's surrounded by seven fronts, depending on the day, really, that want to destroy them.
But before if they get through Israel, their next target is Westerners and specifically the United States, particularly Iran at this particular moment.
But let's think about the flag of the Houthis down there in Yemen literally says destroy Israel and then destroy the U.S. That's their state flag.
That's what it says on it.
They are very serious about that.
If Israel no longer exists, if we no longer have the alliance of the IDF and of the extreme might and power of that army, then we have Iran with a nuclear weapon and they will launch it at us as soon as they're able to.
And they're not the only ones.
phil labonte
So what would you say that the people that what would you say to people that would push back on that and say the only reason that they hate the United States is because the United States supports Israel.
It's not.
And if Israel were to be destroyed, they would just stop.
They would stop.
ellie bufkin
That's the Osama bin Laden thinking.
He was shocked when we showed up at Tora Bora and started blowing up Afghanistan after 9-11.
That's not how it works.
It's the same kind of thinking.
They stop with Israel.
But you have to understand the ideology.
We're going back to extreme ideology, right?
It's the same thing, only this is a different ideology, different book.
But their order that they believe is that they are supposed to re-usher in the caliphate and destroy all the infidels.
That means all the infidels.
It starts with the Jews and it ends with everybody else.
And that includes, by the way, moderate Muslims.
Remember, the first place that he attacked, the first place that Osama bin Laden went to after he attacked the United States on 9-11 was Saudi Arabia to start bombing Arabs because they were hosting United States oil compounds and military in the country.
That will continue.
And without our strategic positioning and alliance with the military might of Israel, then we will be hurt and we will be hurt at home.
First of all, our interests will be destroyed immediately and they will come find us across the ocean.
tate brown
Like from my perspective, it seems like we've backed Israel to a T for the last 70, 80 years and our relationship with the Muslim world at large has just gotten consistently worse as every year has passed by.
phil labonte
Well, I push back on that to say that the Abraham Accords are kind of flying in the face of that.
ellie bufkin
Yes.
The one president who's actually done something to change that to actually make a radical difference in the Middle East and for the better has been Donald Trump.
And he really, the idea of the Abraham Accords, the implementation of the Abraham Accords towards the end of his first term was the first giant step into a brand new Middle East where there was going to be a lot more peace.
Things obviously slowed down and changed and reversed over the four years following that.
We're hopefully getting back to something where we can expand the Abraham Accords once again and lean into our allies and create better allies.
Peace is the goal.
The goal isn't just throwing money into never-ending wars and people who hate us.
The goal is to establish an everlasting peace in the region.
And that doesn't mean nation building.
It doesn't mean us going in like we did in 2003 in Iraq and starting an entire new country that obviously was never going to work.
It's got to be us understanding what works, how we can prop each other up, where we can understand each other.
An ally doesn't have to be a perfect friend, but they do have to be a friend.
shane cashman
My whole thing is I'm 40 now and my whole life, you know, when I was born, I inherited a world of forever wars and it's been going on consistently this whole time and I see my country just getting worse and worse.
So I feel like Israel can handle its own for now and we can focus on our country so we can try to get the thing back up on its feet.
tate brown
And to like bounce off what he's saying too, it's just I don't really know if peace in the Middle East is like a priority for Americans.
That's whatsoever.
phil labonte
So aside from the aside from the United States actually attacking the nuclear sites in Iran, what has the U.S. done when it comes to Israel?
shane cashman
Like we've given them a ton of weapons.
phil labonte
We've given them weapons.
shane cashman
Volunteer gives them their AI, helps with the AI lavender, which is I've talked about that at length on the show.
But when it comes to the idea of the U.S. being actively involved in combat or in war, like but you have to think of war as different, though war is not going to be the way we think of war from the past.
War now is sending you everything we got, you know, our armed missiles, signing our rockets and sending them over there.
You know, like that to me is an issue.
When we should be like, we're sending war rockets to Ukraine, we're sending war and rockets to Israel.
We're funding both sides to some of these wars forever.
And I just see our country suffering deeply and we're in debt.
They're asking us to pay them through PayPal and Venmo.
I'm like, how can we be stretching ourselves so thin?
And I understand the idea of having an ally, but it's been our ally for so many years.
And this threat of Iran going to bomb us, it just doesn't seem to come to fruition.
It always seems to be like a boogeyman.
And I think they've been saying death to America forever.
I understand that.
I don't like it.
But I also understand why they're saying that because we also destroyed their country, you know, many years ago with Kermit Roosevelt going in there and subverting their entire country.
So I understand, I don't like it, but I understand why they say it.
I honestly, my opinion, I don't think they are going to do anything.
And I also think they've had nukes for longer than we've probably willing to admit.
tate brown
We have other adversaries with nuclear weapons as well.
Like this wouldn't be the first adversary.
ellie bufkin
Yeah, but we don't have another adversary that's going to hit the red button the second that it's ready to fire.
phil labonte
And also the re the only United States preventing Iran from getting nukes isn't just about Iran.
Saudi Arabia doesn't want Iran to have nukes any more than Israel does.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And so that's they're that's their because it's like what would the incentive possibly be for Iran to nuke the United States?
phil labonte
It's so end of Iran.
ellie bufkin
They don't care.
That's the difference.
Like USSR, I'm sorry, Russia cares.
Russia doesn't want to be destroyed.
And whatever, like Medvedev said, then the Kremlin came back out and said, never mind, we actually don't want thermonuclear war here.
Like, please don't reposition your new, you know, your subs.
But that's not the case with Iran.
Iran understands this in a very ideological way.
And these guys really believe this.
This isn't just something that they push out there for the press, for PR, to be like, oh, we're very religious.
We're clerics.
They really actually believe this.
And they actually believe that it's worth them firing a nuclear weapon at the enemies with the threat of American might coming at them if they're doing what they believe is the will of Allah, what they're supposed to be doing.
That's what is so terrifying about a nation like Iran happening.
phil labonte
Gen Z really doesn't have this, have a sense.
And I feel like Gen Z believes things in a similar fashion to the way that Gen X believed them before 9-11.
Like we heard about, you know, I'm 50 years old, so I'm Gen X, right?
And I heard about, you know, religious fundamentalism, and I knew about the first attack on the World Trade Center, Ramsey Youssef in 1993, and they were, you know, they did it for religious reasons.
We didn't really believe that they believed the things they do believe.
And this is an argument that I have.
Hold on.
This is an argument that I have with Ian that I've had multiple times.
Ian, his opinion is people are just people and they're all the same.
And that's not true.
And the way that Gen X believed about what Gen X believed about Islamic fundamentalism is what Gen Z believes about Islamic fundamentalism now.
They don't believe they actually believe it.
And they really, really believe it.
tate brown
This isn't, I'm not making an argument about Islam because if it comes to Islamophobia, no one's more Islamophobic than me.
unidentified
Trust me.
tate brown
This is the problem, though, is there's millions and millions of Muslims pouring into Europe and America.
So it's like that should be, if we're trying to go to war with the Muslim world and Islam at large, Iran's the least of my worries.
I'm worried about the millions of Muslims that are pouring into France and Germany and the United States, the United Kingdom.
It's like Iran, it just feels like we're shifting on the chairs on the titanium.
ellie bufkin
I think that's a really fair point.
I mean, you should be worried about that.
And that's not really an Islamophobic point.
The point is that.
The point is that these immigration problems, and fortunately, despite what's happened over the last four years with our border being completely open, these countries in Europe are facing something that's catastrophic, especially France, especially the United Kingdom, where there's literally parts of the country that you just can't even go to anymore.
And it's not because they're Muslim.
It's because they're literally extremists and they were told that it's not a right.
It's not a privilege.
You'd have deserved this.
Like you are born with the right to live wherever you want to live and you have no reason to assimilate.
You don't have to be French.
You don't have to be British.
You can just be extremist.
I mean, those guys, the 7-7 bombers, were born in the United Kingdom.
I mean, this is not just an, it started with an immigration issue, but it also became, it's from this whole push of like Marxism, leftism where we don't want to tell anybody that they're not us.
Like you don't have to be like us because, oh, you know, everybody's okay.
It's like, but actually, that's the problem.
When people don't want your culture, they will destroy it to bring in their own culture.
shane cashman
And I guess another issue I have is how you would define an ally, because I understand the barbarism of some of these other countries, but Israel is also barbaric in their own way, in a modern way, where they spy on us.
They've been caught spying on us.
I think that's not good.
Not a friend.
And if Netanyahu were governing everybody all the time.
Yeah, I know.
And I don't like it.
And if Netanyahu were a governor in this country, we would chastise him like we chastise Cuomo or Hokul or Newsom because he was as deranged and barbaric with the vaccine during lockdowns as they were.
And I just think that's completely anti-democratic.
ellie bufkin
As I'm kind of going back to like, to be an ally doesn't mean you have to be a perfect friend.
You just have to be a friend.
And certainly we can criticize the politics of Israel.
They're very leftist in many, many ways.
But the fact of the matter is they are still a real democracy in a place where that just isn't a thing.
And that's very important.
Again, we can tear down Netanyahu.
We can tear down their COVID positions.
We can tear down the fact that they have like the largest gay pride parade.
Whatever you want to do, that's fine.
I don't need to live there.
I just need to know that I'm safe at home because that country is safe and because their military is in place.
And that requires U.S. support, both financially and physically.
shane cashman
I hear you.
I just don't feel like them, their safety equals our safety here.
phil labonte
So, I mean, enough about, well, not enough, but like back to the kind of the point of it, the idea that, or what we started with, the idea of Israel governing the Gaza Strip.
That was the situation up until 2005, was it when they pulled out?
Right?
Yeah, 2006.
ellie bufkin
Hamas versus Fatah.
phil labonte
Yeah, so Israel was the governing authority.
And they pulled, not only did they pull the military out, but they pulled actual Jewish people that had homes in the Gaza Strip.
They pulled them out completely.
And that was the beginning of essentially 20 years of rockets into Israel, 20 years of there were suicide bombings for a while.
Those chilled out in the past, you know, the past, I guess, 10 years or so.
But there was, that was the, was the, the first intifada, was it was, that was the second intifada in 2006 is when that started, right?
unidentified
Yes.
phil labonte
Yeah.
So it like this kind of the idea that that Israel would go back to that after 20 years of rockets, 20 years of terrorist attacks, and then October 7th.
I mean, was there a sense from anyone that Gaza was going to be governed by the Palestinians again?
ellie bufkin
Yeah, I think that was the hope.
I mean, I think that a lot of this ceasefire talk early on was that this wasn't going to be necessary.
You know, that Hamas would be like, okay, you've killed enough of us.
Like, we're done.
Here's your hostages back.
We're really sorry about October 7th.
Like, please leave us alone.
I think that that was at some point like a true hope that, and then we would give power back to the Gazans to like bring somebody else in besides Hamas.
phil labonte
I mean, there was talk of the Palestinian, the PL or the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, but like they don't have a whole lot of power.
ellie bufkin
Oh, no.
phil labonte
If I understand correctly, they get murdered by the Palestinians on the region.
ellie bufkin
There's no chance of any kind of like fair installment of power in Gaza right now.
I mean, it's just, I mean, so at this point, time's up.
What's the alternative?
There isn't one.
I mean, either that or we just let, I mean, Israel just lays down and says, all right, kill the rest of the hostages and just keep bombing us, I guess.
I mean, that's the only other choice.
phil labonte
I mean, yeah, I guess so.
Like I said, I kind of figured that that was going to be the situation because, you know, they had allowed the Gazans or the Palestinians to be the authority there.
And you got a terrorist organization in China.
ellie bufkin
I think they really hoped that it was going to work out that first time.
And it just, you know, clearly didn't.
tate brown
Yeah, they underestimated the IQ rankings in Gaza.
Fortunately, it's like 80.
Yeah, like the West Bank and Gaza.
It's like two completely different stock of Palestinians.
I could go into that move.
phil labonte
I might be myself.
tate brown
But in short, yeah, when the split happened, the West Bank kept a lot of the academics and there's like a sizable Christian population, or there was a sizable Christian population.
And then Gaza, unfortunately, with what happened, the stock there is not built for democracy by any stretch of the imagination.
They're built for fighting, which is, you know, that's how a lot of the world is.
And that's, it is what it is.
Like, you can't blanket democracy across the entire world.
ellie bufkin
It truly is amazing to me, like, having just recently been in a car driving from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Like, it is a very small country.
And when you look at the small country and then you look at how small the Gaza strip is and just its ability to produce this level of violence and disruption to the world is truly remarkable.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, that's kind of the big problem: there's no partner for peace, so to speak.
I mean, you also look at it from the Palestinian perspective of like, if you had this territory for 2,000 years or whatnot, and then people rolled up, backed by colonial powers and created a country there, you'd probably get radicalized too.
But that's not a justification, obviously, for holding hostages or killing innocent civilians.
ellie bufkin
No, and that's not even really what, I mean, yes, they use that term like settlers, but most of this extremism begets extremism begets extremism.
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I'm not like, it didn't even start.
tate brown
I'm not endorsing that view.
ellie bufkin
They just like, that was actually like a recent adoption that they were like, you know what?
We were here first.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not endorsing that.
ellie bufkin
But before that, it was about like the infidel.
Like it is really more about, you know, you like these extreme philosophers of Islamism, like, you know, Saeed Qutub from Egypt, who were like basically just everything anti-Islamist is evil and wrong.
And that's where this all started.
And now it's like, oh, the settlers.
But outside of Europe, like that guy was like born in the 20s.
I mean, he started.
But these are the books that they read.
I mean, these are the philosophies that they live by.
tate brown
I mean, because outside of Europe until like 150, 200 years ago, nationalism wasn't even really a consideration anywhere, broadly speaking.
ellie bufkin
Yeah.
tate brown
Side of like the Far East.
So like we've tried to export.
Well, I don't know if we tried, but we've exported a method of conceptualizing a nation that doesn't come inherently to law.
phil labonte
It was all about tribes.
So it was tribalism then.
tate brown
Yeah, to a degree.
I mean, I don't know the intricacies of Palestinian anthropology in the 1500s, but the way the Ottomans governed is it was very tribal.
They kind of just.
phil labonte
Oh, I'm sorry.
Okay, so you're talking about nationalism in the Middle East.
tate brown
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's like, I mean, the way that the way that those societies were structured was not how they are now, where it's like a European sense.
We have a flag.
You pledge allegiance to that flag.
You have an anthem.
You go to the Olympics.
That's a very modern, that's a very modern way of conceptualizing a nation.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And conceptualizing a nation in and of itself is a model.
ellie bufkin
Right.
Ironically, a really good example of a nationalized Arab country was Iraq in 2003.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah, true.
phil labonte
Yeah.
All right.
We're going to jump to this story here from the post-millennial.
The New York Post to expand West launched California Post in early 2026.
The New York Post is heading to the West Coast and will be launching the California Post in early 2026.
Robert Thompson, CEO of the Outlet's parent company, News Corp, said in a statement, Los Angeles and California surely need a daily dose of the Post as an antidote to the jaundice jaded journalism that is sadly proliferated.
We are at a pivotal moment for the city and the state.
There is no doubt that the Post will play a crucial role in engaging and enlightening readers who are starved for serious reporting and puckish wit.
I think this will be great because the New York Post has the most wonderful headlines and to see them coming from not only the New York Post, but from the California Post, I think it'd be great.
What do you guys think?
ellie bufkin
I agree.
I wish I had something to push back on, but I've been excited about this all day.
I'm surprised it took them this long.
But it really shows how much the market for this has grown on the West Coast.
There are very amount of people fed up on the West Coast is at a fever pitch.
And again, I think that a lot of people are just kind of stuck there.
They can't move across the country.
And so they don't.
And I think that they've put up with a lot.
I mean, especially the crime stuff, the no jail sentences, like putting people out with no bail and that kind of thing.
It's just nuts.
People getting their houses broken into in Beverly Hills.
And then this big white-tooth fool Gavin Newsome, you know, going around.
tate brown
I mean, yeah, if we thought the New York Post headlines are good, wait till they get access to like heroin.
ellie bufkin
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
These headlines are going to be good.
ellie bufkin
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
They're going to Erewhon.
They're just like shooting up.
ellie bufkin
Downtown LA, they've got Skid Row up there on the front page.
shane cashman
It said they're actually going to try to do Mars as well.
So you might get headlines from Mars.
phil labonte
New York, the Mars Post.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, I'm here for it.
I think that'll be nice.
phil labonte
I mean, is this a comment on the state of publishing out of the state of California?
Or is this, you know, is the market calling for this?
Or do you think that the Post is just kind of jumping in saying, hey, I think we can get some more journalism here?
shane cashman
I think there's a big restructuring happening right now of publishing.
Publishing's dying, dead, maybe.
And it's trying to find its way back.
We're seeing like Larry Ellison's son trying to buy the free press for $250 million.
phil labonte
Was it really?
shane cashman
I might have seen Tim Dylan talk about that yesterday.
It was hilarious.
But it doesn't, people are trying to make moves in media and they should.
I mean, it's important.
I just hope they don't use AI writers.
I hope that Post doesn't embrace, because you know it's going to happen.
How many articles have you read that are AI?
phil labonte
I'm sure.
shane cashman
I didn't know.
phil labonte
I'm sure that you've read plenty of them.
shane cashman
I know I have.
And they're terrible.
phil labonte
I bet you've read some great ones that you don't even know.
shane cashman
I'm sure there are.
I'm sure.
Because I'm looking at terrible little articles that are three paragraphs.
tate brown
I don't know because it opens up.
Sure, here's an article about.
phil labonte
Yeah, so I don't know whose opinion on AI I find more objectionable, yours or Elad's.
At least you have a healthy fear of it, whereas Elad thinks that it's just a gimmick.
A lot's like, oh, it's just like the dot-com bubble.
It's like, yeah, the dot-com bubble was a bubble, but like the internet is still here and it's a good thing.
So like there was substance to it.
shane cashman
I don't know if it's going to be as apocalyptic as I initially thought, but it's going to be bad.
phil labonte
Yeah.
shane cashman
I think I do agree with a lot saying they're good at branding.
The AI people are very good at branding.
But we're seeing people losing their jobs to AI.
phil labonte
Yeah.
shane cashman
And it's definitely going to come for publishing.
So hopefully not, because I see like there's a veteran reporter working on this.
And hopefully they actually have human.
phil labonte
Veteran reporter R2D2.
unidentified
The interesting thing.
shane cashman
Autopen.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
The interesting thing too is it's not that like there's a lot of new publications.
Like there still is an appetite for digital media.
It's the fact that they're trying print.
unidentified
I'm like, oh man, there's someone here that really do it in New York and they do it successfully.
ellie bufkin
I wrote an op-ed in the post maybe three or four months ago and I sent friends out because I wasn't in New York and I sent friends out to go get me some copies to save and like they couldn't find them.
phil labonte
Really?
ellie bufkin
It was like sold out.
I'm sure because of my op-ed of it.
phil labonte
Of course it was.
ellie bufkin
But it's amazing.
It's almost like novelty or something.
People like enjoy it having the smell of the ink and the paper.
tate brown
I had to go to like eight different bodegas when the Trump mugshot came out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well that I understand it is kind of turning into a bit of a I think Prince having a thing right now.
shane cashman
Like I love the County Highway.
You know about this Walter Kearns publishing.
It's a newspaper and you can only get it as a newspaper.
It's not online.
And it's amazing.
You know, I had a story in there a year ago, but you get it in the mail.
It's just amazing.
I have a paper and beautiful written stories and it's incredible.
I think it's out every two months, but I see that happen.
They're like on a countrywide tour right now with the paper.
It's incredible.
I see more people trying to do that.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
There's like a bunch of these like lifters on Twitter that have like rebuilt the Man's World magazine.
And it's amazing.
Yeah, they send out a big glossy man's world magazine like every three months.
And then the op-eds are just written by like full-blown like schizophrenics on Twitter.
It's awesome.
unidentified
No, I'm not.
shane cashman
I'm interested.
phil labonte
I want this.
tate brown
Yeah, but it's like really awkward when you're coffee table because there'll be like nudity on the cover.
It's like this, it's actually much more hard to explain.
This is porn.
unidentified
Reality is much more complicated.
phil labonte
Stop porn at that.
ellie bufkin
Don't read the article.
No, I mean, I think, I don't know how much copy matters when we're talking about like AI inside of this thing.
Like it's the headlines, right?
And I think that the fact the fact that the stories are being written is more important than the way they're written these days.
And I think that they've identified that at the New York Post and they're doing very well with that.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Do you think they have a lot of AI writers right now?
ellie bufkin
I don't know.
I wouldn't accuse them of that.
I think that's low down dirty.
So, you know, who knows?
They're cheap.
So, you know.
tate brown
Tell us what papers do use AI.
unidentified
I wish I could.
shane cashman
I've single them out right now.
ellie bufkin
I do know the AI flags now because I just, I've like looked them up.
I actually asked AI what the AI flags are.
Yeah.
tate brown
It throws you off.
It's like, oh, yeah.
ellie bufkin
Yeah.
Well, double dash, isn't that like a double dash is a big one, which actually stinks for me because I actually love the double.
shane cashman
I use the M dash all the time.
I love the M dash.
And I don't think that's coming after you.
They are coming after you.
I've been feeding it.
If you use the M Dash, the AI is using a cause.
We use the M dash.
ellie bufkin
Yeah, exactly.
It's a copyright style.
So it would sound real.
tate brown
I think consumers have found the workaround because there's particular emojis that you use in a certain context that AI can, because it doesn't have a soul, it could just never really figure out entirely.
shane cashman
So like most journalists.
tate brown
Like when I just tastefully drop a crying emoji on the end of it, it's like, if you're a human being, you know what that means.
And AI can never truly unlock the meaning of that.
There's a deeper, it's deep.
It's actually really deep.
Phil, you should be in tears right now.
phil labonte
The Post Millennium went on to say, as the Post is expanding its reach, other outlets have had to cut back.
CNN laid off hundreds of employees in January.
And in June, the company was reportedly expecting additional layoffs on the horizon.
His parent company, Warner Brothers, Discovery announces corporate breakup.
Other outlets such as Vox Media, HuffPost, and NBC News have seen layoffs in recent months.
So this is something that it is actually surprising that the, you know, the Times is going to be expanding in an air, or I'm sorry, the Post is going to be expanding in an age when clearly there isn't really an appetite for at least the legacy news, right?
You know, I mean, if CNN, do you think that this is a symptom of people not having an appetite for the legacy news?
Or do you think that it's the news that those outlets were providing?
Do you think that people are sick and tired of the left-leaning bent on it?
ellie bufkin
I think it's, I don't even think it's that.
I think that we're almost giving them too much credit there.
I think that one of the things, like I have a TV in my office, I watch it constantly because my job is putting people on TV to talk about stuff.
And so I'm just seeing like what stories are being covered, what's going on.
And I watch Fox a lot.
You know, I know Fox and I, you know, I understand their system, but I flip back and forth to like other channels and I'm not getting news.
Like that's the problem.
Like I want actual news.
And I understand it's an opinion.
There's never been like unbiased journalism.
That's like a myth.
But then it's like, you know, CNN is so, you know, they're very emotional about whatever's happening.
And it's like, there's big news happening.
And I like want to hear about this hurricane.
And like, I can't get it.
And it's, you know, I'm not trying to, you know, I appreciate my, the work we do with CNN, but I do know that they came in behind Hallmark and HGTV in the last ad week ratings report.
phil labonte
So brutal.
ellie bufkin
They're clearly doing it, you know, they're clearly not doing something right.
They used to be the name in 24-7 news.
You know, that was, if you wanted to know what was going on, you turned on CNN and they have really lost that connection.
tate brown
Notice they lost the airports too.
ellie bufkin
They lost the airports.
I mean, that should have been the death knell, right?
And I, you know, I wish them well.
I really hope I think just like, you know, I, I, I hope that the Democratic Party gets their act together because I think that we are stronger when we have two strong political parties working against.
phil labonte
I think by get their act together, do you mean stop pushing for socialism?
ellie bufkin
Well, yes, I focus more on like that they become a real competitor.
I feel like, first of all, you know, conservatives get soft when they don't have an adversary that's actually, you know, up to snuff.
But the same thing with media.
I think that everybody's better when they have actual, you know, competition.
Everybody has to do their best.
Everybody has to like find that footing in the news and continue getting new viewers and finding new audiences.
And, you know, so it's just, it's not what you want to see.
The other thing is, speaking specifically about like cable news, people are cutting cords.
You can't stop that.
Nobody's getting cable back once they lose it.
So if you can't figure out what your like streaming option is or how people are going to get your product without having a cable subscription, then you're already way behind.
shane cashman
And the last election showed that podcasts and substacks and personal indie media dominated these guys.
ellie bufkin
Dominantly.
shane cashman
That's why Trump and Vance use those platforms to help get elected.
ellie bufkin
Smartly.
shane cashman
And Kamala failed at that.
She might have paid call him whatever, Caller Daddy podcast for a whole fake set that didn't work.
They hardly got the number.
Like Trump's numbers on the Rogan podcast are insane.
And her numbers on the Call Me Daddy, whatever it's called, is I think they didn't break a million.
Maybe they did by now.
ellie bufkin
I'll never forget the guy who ditched her interview because she said bacon was a spice and he was so offended by the hot take.
It was a hot take guy.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ellie bufkin
And he just canceled it.
It was like a presidential candidate.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah, you're right.
Yeah, I do remember that.
tate brown
It's that bad.
Yeah, the competition thing is really slept on too, because that's the reason late nights suck so much now.
Because Colbert got canceled and they're all showing up.
Like, we stand with you, Steve.
It was like back in the day, Leno would have like killed Letterman if he had the opportunity.
shane cashman
For sure.
unidentified
For sure.
shane cashman
Yep.
tate brown
They would have hired a hit on him if he jumped him in ratings.
unidentified
They hated it.
tate brown
Bring that back.
ellie bufkin
Like all you had to do is be funny.
Like, oh, we stand with you.
It's like, oh, we're brave.
It's like, this is a late night comedy show.
Like, this is not about who's bravest.
unidentified
Yeah.
ellie bufkin
I don't need to turn on like late night comedy show to get my political opinion.
phil labonte
And there's nothing brave about doing a TV.
ellie bufkin
There was something lazy about not writing jokes, however.
tate brown
That's why there's no competition because there's no competition anywhere.
Like, you go watch the gymnastics now and they're like friends and hugging each other.
Like, they used to snap legs to get on stage back in the day.
And now, what are we doing now?
We're all on the same team.
shane cashman
Bring back Nancy Kerrigan.
tate brown
Yeah, bring back a little bit.
shane cashman
Kanye Harding days.
tate brown
Yeah, we're not the same team.
phil labonte
That's why the UFC's box.
That's why the UFC has such great ratings because it's actual competition.
They actually, even the guys that, like, you know, there are some guys that show each other respect and stuff like that, but they're still trying to punch the other person's face off their head.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah.
phil labonte
And I think you see it the same thing in like, you know, in football and in some sports, you know, WNBA.
Yeah, the WN.
Well, there's only a couple girls that get attacked in the WNBA.
But when it comes, you know, when it comes to at least mostly men's sports, it's actual competition.
But even still, like in the regular NBA, the viewership is down.
Yeah.
I assume that it's the same with the NFL.
But the Super Bowl was really well viewed.
Like last year, it was still a big deal.
So it's not, you know, ubiquitous.
But yeah, I think that the fact that there's a whole lot of kumbaya and everything is actually detrimental to people that are viewers because viewers want to see that competition and they want it to be real.
They don't want it to be manufactured.
tate brown
Yeah, it's very sad.
ellie bufkin
Yeah.
Also, I want more segments where like people disagree with each other.
Like, I feel like that's fine.
And people are, I don't know.
I didn't really book a lot of people.
You know, I used to book on Fox.
I didn't really book a lot of people that were like, now, first of all, we did try to book some people that absolutely just wouldn't have anything to do with our network or our show.
So there was that problem as well.
But, you know, I think putting together like the, you know, this person has this opinion and this one has the opposite.
It doesn't have to be a bloodbath.
Like, it can just be like a civil conversation.
tate brown
These review shows have like picked up that entire market.
Because he had like what Crossfire back in the day was.
ellie bufkin
Oh, yeah, Crossfire was great.
tate brown
But now it's the culture war with Tim Pool.
phil labonte
Look at Pierce Morgan or Pierce Pierce.
Pierce Morgan.
I mean, that is one step away from Jerry Springer, right?
They're not in the same, they're not in the same building, so they can't throw chairs at each other, but it would be kind of fun.
But legitimately, like the Culture War with Tim, you know, Tim Pool's Culture War.
But even around this table, like, we don't all agree on everything.
I mean, me and Shane will go back and forth on the moon.
On anything.
At least we agree the moon is there.
shane cashman
There we go.
That's fair.
That's fair.
phil labonte
We agree that the moon is there.
What the moon is, that's where we the difference comes in.
shane cashman
But you can tune into Inverted World Live tonight at 10 o'clock to find out.
phil labonte
You're going to find out what the moon is?
shane cashman
Yeah, we're going to be debunking that.
Yeah, I'm going to pull it up on Wikipedia tonight.
phil labonte
Great.
shane cashman
That's my source of information.
phil labonte
Wikipedia, that's great news.
ellie bufkin
I'm afraid to ask a little bit.
phil labonte
I think the moon is actually a ball of rock that probably originated with Earth, something smashed into the Earth.
Whereas I think Shane thinks it's hollow.
shane cashman
I don't really know.
I think it could be a mothership for an ancient breakaway civilization.
I think Earth is only a little over 6,000 years old.
phil labonte
6,000.
shane cashman
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, God made Earth in a day.
Well, you know, in seven days.
So I stick with that.
I'm a Bible thumper.
phil labonte
Technically, he made Earth in a day.
shane cashman
Well, Earth, but like there was seven days there of creation.
phil labonte
All the other stuff.
ellie bufkin
Okay, so 6-1 was a rest day.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's right.
And there's people who disagree on what a day means and all that stuff, but I'm pretty strict now in my mind with 6,000, a little over 6,000.
So the moon being a rock that hits Earth millions of years ago is just all made up to me.
phil labonte
Okay.
shane cashman
Take time.
phil labonte
So we disagree.
ellie bufkin
Gotcha.
phil labonte
There you go.
But he'll.
We're cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
We can get along.
phil labonte
We can get along.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
We don't need the moon.
phil labonte
We don't need to agree on the moon.
unidentified
All right.
phil labonte
Let's see.
We've got one more last bit here.
Just for laughs, for shits and giggles, we're going to go to a video that Alex Stein put up.
He was hazing MSNBC, and it is absolutely wonderful.
So you guys will enjoy this.
unidentified
We just watched the speaker gavel out with a whole lot of anger, Kelly.
phil labonte
Here's the state of play.
unidentified
Here's what.
MSNBC saw.
Hey, why are you?
MSNBC saw.
shane cashman
I'll talk to you for a second.
unidentified
MSNBC saw.
shane cashman
Can I talk to you for a second?
unidentified
Sometimes this happens, and we understand that that can happen.
And while we love free speech, we're going to keep control here.
kathy hochul
So, Ryan, thank you.
Shaq, thank you.
A volatile story.
We'll be following it.
unidentified
And apparently, not only Shaq cleaned up.
Okay.
Stay with us here because Ryan has cleared the set, as we would like to say.
kathy hochul
The gentleman moved on.
So, Ryan, let me turn back to you.
Nicely handled there.
unidentified
Can you give us an update on as you were walking us through this?
kathy hochul
We'll all take a breath there.
Maybe not.
unidentified
Maybe not.
phil labonte
Okay.
kathy hochul
Go ahead, Ryan.
unidentified
See, hold on one second.
Okay.
shane cashman
We're just going to pull the plug there.
kathy hochul
Thank you, Ryan.
unidentified
Yes.
There is a whole lot of anger here, as you can see.
So we're going to get a cut to a more of this and come back to you when we can.
kathy hochul
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
unidentified
And we recognize people are expressing their views and we're there to cover it.
kathy hochul
You do that job.
We'll move on with our audience.
phil labonte
Thanks for your patience.
shane cashman
I wish Alex ran really quick to the other screen.
phil labonte
He's just lampooning.
He's just lampooning you guys.
shane cashman
Just awesome.
tate brown
Alex, she's like so smug about being diplomatic.
All the mops.
ellie bufkin
I think my number one comment, like having been someone who worked in a control room for a long time, is that she handled it very badly.
I mean, just like very heckish.
phil labonte
We believe in free speech now.
unidentified
Get rid of that girl.
phil labonte
We're in a whole free speech.
ellie bufkin
I don't know if that was like a miscommunication with her in the control room.
And also the fact that, you know, there was not enough people standing around their on-air talent to stop him from being harassed on air is pretty sad, dude.
tate brown
Just like the guy was like, this is my moment.
ellie bufkin
Yeah.
tate brown
He's like, oh, we're cutting away.
No, we're not.
Actually, here's what's going on.
ellie bufkin
The comedic timing.
Speaking of, you know, jokes are hard to write, but he nailed it with that.
It was great.
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
phil labonte
We're going to go to your super chat.
So smash the like button, share the show with all your friends.
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But for right now, we are going to read your super chats.
Let's see.
Peter Gohax says, since the left likes to change definitions, can we change the meaning of they, them to fat or ugly, mentally unstable person?
I mean, we can try.
I don't know that it's going to stick, but we can try.
Let me see here.
Oh, wait.
That was the wrong button.
There we go.
Okay.
Let's see.
Rage LB says Tate Cast is best cast.
You've got fans, Tate.
tate brown
Let's go, fans.
Dude, my mom's going to be stoked.
phil labonte
You are, you are stellar.
You're great at your job, Tate.
So they want to let you know.
tate brown
Unless they're talking about a different tape.
Do you know how hard it is to be named Tate in the Andrew Tate era?
Because I get on Twitter and they're like, Tate is a child trafficker.
He's the worst person ever.
I'm like, what did I do?
And then I'm like, oh, that guy.
Yeah, I forgot.
My bad.
phil labonte
Yeah, you know.
tate brown
Sad stuff.
phil labonte
Let's see.
tate brown
Thank you.
phil labonte
What's this?
BH, is that?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
What is BH says, hi, team?
Would you consider each interviewing either Joel Jamal or Craig Kelly from Australia to talk about the beginning of social credit scores, what they call under 16 ban.
Tim had a bad take a few days ago.
Look, man, everybody has a take that you're going to call bad at some point.
But I don't think we would be avert to interviewing them, but that's not a question that I'm actually in a position to answer.
tate brown
We don't call them bad takes somewhere.
They're called L takes.
It's an update to the vocabulary.
phil labonte
Get with the program.
unidentified
Tim only has W takes, so I don't believe that.
phil labonte
Let's see.
Now they disappeared.
No rants.
What's up, Rumble?
tate brown
I think the rants.
unidentified
I guess so.
Let's see.
phil labonte
All right.
Robert Bradbury says we shouldn't arrest them.
We shouldn't kick them out.
If they don't show up, their vote should be considered a no-vote.
Well, I assume you're talking about in Texas.
And I mean, that's not a bad idea, right?
ellie bufkin
Yeah, I think most actual state legislatures do work that way.
But unfortunately, Texas's Constitution is not written that way.
phil labonte
So a lone star state legislature.
ellie bufkin
Yeah, there's going to have to be some more work to get to that point.
I agree.
Strongly.
I think if you abscond, then you've passed your vote.
tate brown
They literally ask for this to happen because of the way it's structured.
Like you said, they don't even have a mechanism for that.
I'd probably need to read why this is the case, but it's ridiculous.
And the fact that the floor is two-thirds, you're just asking for this to happen.
I just vacate the seats.
You don't even need to arrest them.
Yeah, just vacate him.
phil labonte
I think that's a great idea.
Abbott should just say, okay, you're all fired.
tate brown
Yeah.
We'll get to spend a bunch of money on the election.
ellie bufkin
It's really true.
I mean, it's truly despicable.
I mean, to be elected to these positions and then to behave this way.
unidentified
Yeah.
ellie bufkin
You know, and what, how is this serving the people of Texas?
tate brown
Right.
ellie bufkin
You know.
tate brown
Yeah.
unidentified
They're just trying to score brownie points with flying off to other states.
ellie bufkin
You know, there's nothing to do with it.
tate brown
And if you're going to at least go to somewhere nice, Illinois?
I mean, I'd be offended as a constituent.
I'm like, you think Illinois is better than Galveston?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
What are we doing here?
ellie bufkin
I dare you to move there.
tate brown
If they're in Hawaii, it'd be like, well, you know, I mean, get it, I guess.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, Illinois or New York, both of them should be.
tate brown
Yeah, what do you go hang on Rochester?
Is that a big protest?
phil labonte
Okay.
They're going to go to the chance.
tate brown
Yeah.
phil labonte
They're going to go.
Check out some shows of the chance.
Get kicked in the face.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've had some friends had broken noses.
phil labonte
I've been kicked in the head and converge.
shane cashman
Head walking will commence during the saddest day.
On that note, I'm going to head out to my show.
phil labonte
All right.
shane cashman
Thank you guys so much.
Tate, that was fun.
tate brown
Hey, dude.
shane cashman
See you guys.
phil labonte
Love you.
shane cashman
So next time, Inverted World Live tonight, 10 o'clock p.m.
That's 3 p.m. right now, right?
We'll be live till midnight taking phone calls.
Phone lines will be open at 10:30.
If you've got a weird story, give us a call.
And we're going to talk about a blob moving towards what's going on with that moon.
In the moon.
I'll tell you guys about the moon.
phil labonte
Let me know.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
See you guys.
unidentified
See it.
phil labonte
All right.
Let's see.
James Weidenhoft says, uncap the house and restore the limit of no more than 30K constituents per U.S. rep. This would result no more gerrymandering and no more need for massive campaign funds.
All you would do is talk to your neighbors and get elected.
Well, I don't know if that's actually what would happen.
It sounds good in theory, but I don't know that it would be good to have thousands of House members because if it's 30,000, 30,000 people.
tate brown
You would have like, would be 100,000?
phil labonte
Yeah, it'd be like something like, it would literally look like the Senate in Star Wars, you know, those.
tate brown
Whenever I remember from government classes, the reason we landed on the number we did is because that's as many desks as we could possibly fit in there.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ellie bufkin
It's almost annoying sometimes to go back and like realize the wisdom of our founding fathers.
Like, you know, it's like, that is frustrating that they came up with that, but it makes sense.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, one of the things that people, I understand people's frustration with the government, right?
Like, there's the argument, oh, nothing ever gets done, et cetera, et cetera.
And a lot of people don't realize that that's actually by design, you know, or they forget that that's by design.
Everyone says they don't like Congress except for their own congressperson.
You know, the Congress has a ridiculously low approval rating, but then you ask individuals, do you like your congressperson?
And overwhelmingly, they're like, oh, yeah, mine's good.
So, yes, you don't like Congress because Congress doesn't get anything done.
Most of the time, that's because Congress isn't supposed to be getting the things that we're doing.
ellie bufkin
They actually make the argument that they get far too much done in terms of these omnibus bills that are full of stuff we don't even know about.
Did you know this?
And I'm going to have to fact check, but I heard from a smart person that Ted Cruz included that the space shuttle that's kept at Udverhazi in D.C. or Dulles is he put it in the Big Beautiful bill that that was going to be moved to Texas.
Like nobody noticed.
tate brown
It's awesome.
ellie bufkin
Just as a point of contention.
unidentified
It reminds me like that's our shuttle.
tate brown
Yeah.
That's like France did in the Treaty of Versailles, where they're like, by the way, champagne can only be made in champagne.
It's just white wine.
I'm like, they slip that in at the last second.
phil labonte
I didn't know that was in the treaty.
That is, that's very wrong.
tate brown
So Ted Cruz is moving like France right now.
What's going on?
Your interview really rattled him, I think.
phil labonte
I mean, but the point that I'm making is like people want to see federal laws that should actually be state laws.
And really, this is a point that we make regularly.
Like, if you focus on your local reps and your state, then you'll have far more tangible results than if you try to get things done at a federal level.
There is a place for federal legislation, but it's probably not what you're thinking about.
And if we had a government that was actually limited by the Constitution, that didn't abuse the Commerce Clause, didn't abuse the necessary and proper clause, and actually protected your rights that are alleged to be protected in the Bill of Rights, you could have more effective government at the state level, and people would probably be happier with the results that they get.
But people think that there should be the same laws in California as in New York and as in Florida.
And that just doesn't make any sense, you know.
But trying to convince people of that is, you know, like hurting cats.
ellie bufkin
It really is.
And it's scary because, you know, how often the power on Capitol Hill changes.
And one year, you can have lots of Democrats who want these crazy labor bills that are harmful to contractors and like the PRO Act, which fortunately hasn't happened yet, but is always looming over our heads.
And we saw it happen in California.
It's a disaster.
But happening at the federal level is a whole new level of terrifying and subverts the will of the people again.
phil labonte
All right, let's see.
Hale Gailey says, Luis Rossman did a YouTube series on the dysfunction of New York City real estate.
It's an over-leveraged house of cards that is one bad quarter away from collapse.
I mean, that could probably be said about a few different industries, but I guess that would be something that people have to have to look into and make their own calls.
SA Federale says, Shane literally created the resurrection of Coast to Coast within the Tim Cast family.
That's exactly the point.
It's great.
Y'all motherfuckers better at least be catching the reruns.
That she is enthralling.
Coast to Coast is great.
There's a lot of times where all that remains had long overnight drives after shows while we were still touring in vans and we would be listening to Coast to Coast AM.
And Ollie was a huge, huge fan.
So if he was driving, you could guarantee that Art Bell was on and Coast to Coast AM was going for the late night drive.
And yes, that's exactly what Shane has done with Inverted World Live.
And you should definitely go check it out after the show if you haven't checked it out already.
It's a lot of fun.
And Shane and Brando are great hosts.
So Isaac says, why should we worry about Iran having nukes when the nuclear-armed countries in Europe are becoming Muslim-majority countries?
Well, I mean, France and the UK are the only countries in Europe with nukes, I believe, right?
unidentified
So, I mean, the most Islamic countries, though.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, they are the most.
They are the most.
tate brown
France legit by, I think, 2055 will have not a Muslim majority, but a Muslim-descended majority.
Yeah, I mean, plurality, sorry.
ellie bufkin
Still not run by the Islamic Republic of Iran.
tate brown
Yeah, no, no, yeah.
But it is, it is crazy that like you have to sit there and think like, okay, so maybe in the next 50 years, it's something we have to consider.
phil labonte
I mean, it is.
tate brown
France are going to be.
phil labonte
It's a legitimate.
It's something literally.
ellie bufkin
I think it's many, many years from having fingers on the nukes.
unidentified
Oh, they got to kill the internet.
phil labonte
How many is many, many years?
And honestly, is something that's many, many years away something that we can afford to actually just say, oh, it's not a problem.
ellie bufkin
I don't think that nukes will ever not be a problem.
I mean, this is one of the greatest conundrums that has befallen us since the invention of the nuclear weapon, right?
They're always going to be a problem.
Anybody having them is technically a problem.
The only thing that keeps it safe is the fact that many people have them and there's the mutual self-destruction issue.
That is the outlier with a nation like Iran having it is that they don't seem to be concerned about being destroyed themselves, which is very dangerous.
Same thing.
The same reason that a suicide bomber is much more dangerous than a normal criminal.
You can't threaten them with self-harm.
It doesn't bother them.
phil labonte
Let's see.
Neglectful sausage says Chinese equals collection of ethnic groups.
Hispanic equals collection of ethnic groups.
Hispanics own Latin America.
Chinese own China.
If Hittites are a collection of ethnic groups.
What?
serge du preez
It's whites.
phil labonte
Oh, it's whites.
serge du preez
Hittites.
It's whites.
Whites.
phil labonte
Whites are a collection of ethnic groups.
Why can't they own USA?
Well, because the United States wasn't founded that way, or it hasn't developed that way.
There are people that make the argument that because it was founded by wasps, that it should only be wasps.
But I think that ship has sailed a long, long time ago.
So the option was never really there.
ellie bufkin
Yeah, that's, you know, I think that there's a big difference between belief in secure borders and immigration processes that ensure that the people who are here want to be here and want to be part of the experiment, want to be part of the project.
And it's a completely different thing than choosing an ethnicity.
This reminds me a lot of the, you know, like the Soviet era cards trying to figure out people's ethnicity based on their chin shape and stuff like that.
It's not nice.
Who wants to live with that much hate in their heart?
tate brown
Yeah.
And also look, Chinese as an ethnic collection of ethnic groups isn't true because the Han Chinese run everything.
ellie bufkin
Right, exactly.
Have you ever, I mean, have you ever asked them if they're a mono like ethnic group?
They're absolutely not.
tate brown
Hispanics hate each other.
You ever ask a Puerto Rican what they think about Mexican people?
ellie bufkin
Have you ever accidentally called somebody from Brazil Latino or let's keep somebody else?
tate brown
Yeah, you ask a Dominican what they think about like, yeah, like a Mexican person, and you're going to hear like slurs you've never heard in your life.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
And you might get hit.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
So, yeah.
And, you know, as far as the United States, like the United, like, I'm probably the most restrictive.
You know, I have the most restrictive immigration policies that are that are my favorite.
I think we should shut immigration down for a decade.
No immigrants except for 01 visas and let the people that are here assimilate.
And I think that everybody that's here illegally should be deported, like everybody.
And that's about as extreme as you get on immigration policy.
But even I don't think that, oh, we shouldn't allow people in based on race or anything.
Like you definitely can disallow people based on ideology.
Like I don't think that we should let, I think that it's correct that the United States says we don't let communists in, right?
Like if you don't look at things like private property, as property rights as sacred, then you shouldn't be allowed to become an American, period.
Like, because that is anti-American.
But I don't think we should base it on race.
I think it should be based on ideas.
tate brown
Definitely base it on nationality.
Like Trump's done that with banning certain countries from sending people here.
That's the question is like, I mean, if this is a widely held belief among like 99% of the population, then we're not going to risk it to hopefully get this 1% as well.
ellie bufkin
And it should be hard.
I mean, it should be hard.
It should be a challenge.
This is not a right.
This is a blessing.
If you want to live here, it's the greatest country in the world.
And a lot of people have died and worked their entire lives and generations to make it so.
And if you want to come here, that's great.
I love that you want to come here, but it needs to be something that you have to work for and earn.
And when people understand that, then I want them here.
I mean, I think it's the same thing.
We want people who love the country to be here.
We want families.
There's a lot of cultures that are not in this country who like creating families a lot more than Americans currently do.
And I'm all about opening that door and making that happen.
But, you know, I do agree with you.
I'm not sure that I agree to a 10-year ban, but I do agree that we've got a lot of unjust.
phil labonte
Just so that way all the people that are here can become Americans.
ellie bufkin
Kind of like a settling period.
No, I totally agree.
phil labonte
And the reason I say that is because there's been so many people that have come here and Have been encouraged to not assimilate, right?
They've been encouraged.
They've been allowed to speak the language of whatever country they've come from.
The government has gone out of its way to provide services in those languages.
I think all that stuff should end.
It should all be English.
The argument that I make for that is there are concepts that don't make sense in other languages.
There are certain concepts that make sense only in the native language.
You have to have a people that all speak the same language so they can all understand the same concepts.
So just shut down all immigration for a decade or so.
Let everybody assimilate.
And then, and again, I don't mind 01 visas.
If you've got a special skill, a special talent or something like that, come on.
We can figure out a couple hundred thousand a year.
ellie bufkin
The O1 visa still, you still need to want to be here.
Like it's great that you have that special skill, but that's not just the open door for you.
A lot of people treat it that way.
phil labonte
100%.
ellie bufkin
And I think that that's a huge problem.
That's a lot of the way that the CCP gets people in here.
phil labonte
I totally agree with you.
It shouldn't be just, oh, the O1 visa, that's your free pass.
I think that it should be very stringent.
You should have a special talent.
You should actually want to be here.
You should actually believe in our fundamental principles that make America what it is.
You have to believe in property rights, individual liberty, et cetera, et cetera.
I think if you have an opinion that's distasteful about the Second Amendment, you shouldn't be allowed into the United States.
These things are fundamental to the country.
If you don't think people should have the right to speak, speak their mind, you got to go.
ellie bufkin
We're not going to require you to buy a gun.
But if you have a problem with me having one, I think that's an inherent problem.
The Bill of Rights is fundamental to who we are as a people.
phil labonte
Yeah, it shouldn't.
This isn't a list of, that isn't a list of suggestions.
These are things that are protected that the government isn't allowed to say that you can't do.
So if you want to come here, then you have to at least accept, okay, these are things that every American is going to be able to do.
And not only am I okay with that, I wouldn't push against them.
ellie bufkin
Right.
phil labonte
You know, so at the least.
Yeah.
ellie bufkin
I prefer that you celebrate it in a ticker tape parade.
unidentified
Yes.
tate brown
At the very least, when they're building giant like monkey god statues in Texas, that's a good sign.
It's time to shut the tap for a little while.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
phil labonte
Like, just pump the brakes.
tate brown
They're even stealing Marxist jobs.
Like Zoron, he's an immigrant.
He's coming here and he's taken a job from a hardworking Marxist.
unidentified
That's not right.
phil labonte
That's another thing.
It's like, we've got, if you're born in America, you automatically have the right to be as garbage.
You have the garbage opinions if you want.
We can't do anything about it.
It's like your family, if your brother sucks, your brother sucks, but he's your brother.
So you have to deal with it.
We don't need to bring in people that have these terrible opinions.
Right?
ellie bufkin
Exactly.
You already have enough of those.
If we're born here, there's nothing we can do about it.
phil labonte
Let's see.
Wyatt Claytonberg says, Phil, what do you guys think about the Gaza aid drama?
It seems like everyone is lying.
The photo of the kid in the New York Times as MS, Israel actually helped him, but Israel lies too.
Israel's blocking aid.
They're all full of crap.
I don't know what to believe.
And so it's not my problem.
This is exactly why I'm like, let them do whatever they want to do.
I don't care.
People get upset with me because I don't hate on Israel enough.
Well, I don't care enough to hate on them, right?
Like you have to actually have some kind of, you have to feel a certain kind of way if you're going to hate on someone.
And I don't care what they do.
Let them deal with their problems over there, what, six or seven thousand miles away, 10,000 miles away, whatever it is.
Their problems are over there.
And I'm not over there.
So I don't give a F. That's it.
So, but yes, they're both lying.
They both engage in propaganda.
They're both trying to persuade people.
Israel's been doing a terrible job of it.
And that's why there's so many people that are turning against them.
Let's see.
serge du preez
That's cocoa sauce.
phil labonte
Oh, Coco Sauce says, extremists won't forget about decades of U.S. interference, whether we support Israel or not.
That ship has sailed.
Look, the reason the Marine Corps exists is because of the Barbary pirates and because there were people that said, hey, we're going to just scoop your people up and put them in slavery.
Like that has been something that has gone on in the Middle East for literally ever.
So it's not like it's new to think that there are problems in the Middle East.
That has been, as long as there's been a United States, the United States has had to deal with issues from Middle Eastern countries because of their religion, right?
Like that's just the way that it is, whether it's the Somali pirates or the Barbary pirates or dealing with Gaza or whatever.
Like that, the idea that we're going to have to deal with this, it goes without saying.
It's part of just the existence of apparently that region.
So yes, we're going to have to deal with it, but it's not about U.S. interference.
It's about the people that are over there and their belief system.
tate brown
Was it Jacob and Esau came out of the womb fighting?
phil labonte
Yeah, you know?
ellie bufkin
There's a lot in the, I mean, if you want to get into like biblical stuff, there's just so much in there that is predictive of exactly what's going on today.
phil labonte
I mean, look, it goes all the way back to the, at least the stuff between Israel and the Arabs goes all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
It's probably in Isaiah.
Probably talks about Hillary's emails.
unidentified
I mean, it's crazy how accurate it is.
phil labonte
Taylor Lorenz's ex-wife says, who has better plastic surgery, me or Bruce?
I'm not sure who Bruce is.
ellie bufkin
Jenner.
phil labonte
Oh, Bruce Jenner.
Yes, of course.
That's super busy.
Missed you this weekend, Phil.
CW was a blast.
Thank you, all Tim Cass team.
Thank you, Romanation, for the legendary after party.
I wish that I could have gone.
I had a massive, massive fever, and I was very, very under the weather.
serge du preez
Yeah, we've all been getting killed by this.
phil labonte
There's been like a bunch of people here.
A lot's got it now.
Serge had it last week.
I had it over the weekend.
You've managed to dodge the bullet, huh?
tate brown
It's like I never get sick.
So if I get sick, it's time to shut the company down.
phil labonte
I think you probably dodged it.
I mean, it's made its way through so far.
tate brown
It's a little bit different, Phil.
unidentified
I don't know.
serge du preez
Maybe Tate was patient zero.
Who knows?
tate brown
Yeah, maybe I haven't.
I just, were you sick?
No.
I never get, like, it never happens.
serge du preez
Yeah, he's a carrier.
tate brown
It's because I got vaccinated, actually.
unidentified
All right.
phil labonte
Raul Cortez says, yeah, I'm indifferent to any of the points brought up in favor of Israel.
I'm not bothered by Israel fighting their enemies, but I just don't see the casual relationship between Israel safety and American interests.
I mean, look, I agree with you about the about, you know, Israel can fight their enemies however they want to fight them.
I'm not particularly concerned.
I saw a post this weekend on X about the Sudan and like half a million people died there.
And it's like, no one cares because no one can blame the Jews, you know?
So it's, there's plenty of places where there are more horrible things going on than what is going on in Gaza.
And you don't hear people making us think about it.
And I genuinely do think a lot of the reason is because, you know, you can't blame Israel.
ellie bufkin
So just for some numbers, because I did look this up recently, there are 300 million people facing food insecurity in the world.
Less than 2 million of those are in the Gaza Strip.
So there's a lot of countries, including Haiti, Sudan, Mali, who are facing much more severe crises that nobody seems to care about at all.
phil labonte
And mostly because they can't make a political statement about it.
ellie bufkin
Correct.
phil labonte
Let's see.
ellie bufkin
Bear that in mind.
phil labonte
Dr. Tran says the internet is turning the humans gay.
No, that's just you.
tate brown
Real figured out, man.
phil labonte
Yep.
tate brown
Figured out.
phil labonte
Isaac says, why should we worry about Iran having nukes when the nuclear armed countries?
Oh, wait, we already read that.
tate brown
It's like a trip down memory lane.
unidentified
It is.
phil labonte
It is.
Let's see.
What do we got here?
serge du preez
Matthew.
phil labonte
Matthew Vandersteid said, Are you going to post the Culture War Live with Michael Malice?
Well, it won't be live because it's already been recorded.
So, no.
But it's recorded, and they're going to post that.
So, yes.
And I think that goes up a little bit.
tate brown
Friday at 11.
phil labonte
Friday at 11.
There you go.
So when we do the Culture War episodes on Saturday, they will debut the following Friday at the normal culture war time.
So if you want to get your tickets for this weekend, you go to, is it still at DC Comedy Loft?
tate brown
Go to TimcastEvents.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
TimcastEvents.com.
And you can buy your tickets there.
Hurry because they are going fast.
They usually do.
It'll be Alex Stein and who else is there?
Have they promoted?
tate brown
Yeah, it's going to be Myron Gaines.
He's an interesting guy.
phil labonte
And Kat Timf from the Fox News.
tate brown
And then Kyle Attorney, who's also interesting.
phil labonte
Is that not so erudite?
tate brown
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tate brown
So there's some interesting ideologies on stage.
I think it'll create quite the atmosphere.
phil labonte
All right.
tate brown
Buy your tickets going quick.
phil labonte
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We're going to wrap it up here.
So Ellie, do you want to share where people can find you and stuff?
ellie bufkin
Oh, sure.
You can find me on Twitter at Ellie underscore Buffkin.
Or sorry, X. Sorry, I'm old.
phil labonte
That's fine.
Everyone knows.
ellie bufkin
Yeah, and you can follow the organization to hear more about the work that we're doing to defend all embattled democracies and talk about how great America is at FDD.org.
phil labonte
Perfect.
tate brown
Yeah, follow me on X and Instagram at RealTate Brown.
I'm popping on these shows all the time, so see you there.
phil labonte
Good stuff.
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You can follow us on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, and Deezer.
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unidentified
Thank you.
phil labonte
Total flightmare.
Apparently, there was a bunch of brown.
unidentified
What are you doing?
phil labonte
Okay.
serge du preez
Just closing that.
phil labonte
Apparently, there was a bunch of brown sewage that exploded from a ceiling in America's busiest airport.
tate brown
It's Hotlanta.
ellie bufkin
I'm going to have a guess.
serge du preez
We're going to turn this out.
Yep, it's Atlanta.
phil labonte
Oh, Atlanta.
serge du preez
I thought it was going to be Denver.
phil labonte
I liked Atlanta.
ellie bufkin
The airport?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tate brown
Why?
Are you with massacus?
ellie bufkin
That is a hot take.
phil labonte
Because compared to like Detroit.
tate brown
Oh, wow.
I mean, like downtown Bombay is probably great compared to Detroit.
Gaza's great compared to Detroit.
You get me?
phil labonte
If you're going to compare it to, if you're comparing like big airports, what's better?
JFK?
tate brown
Sometimes.
phil labonte
Really?
tate brown
Depends on the terminal.
Because Terminal, what's a Terminal 5?
It's like literally like a FEMA camp.
But then they have a few new ones they've dolled up a little bit.
It's not too bad.
phil labonte
So a big part of the reason why I like Atlanta is because it's one of the few places.
And I actually, I like it because I'm so used to going there.
And the reason that I'm so used to going there is because I used to travel or direct all my long flights through Atlanta because it's one of the few places where you can smoke.
serge du preez
Oh, true.
phil labonte
So back in the day when I was a smoker, I'd be like, oh, yeah.
And now I've just gone through it so many times.
I know it extremely well.
serge du preez
Doesn't Atlanta also have like Ludacris Restaurant?
phil labonte
Maybe.
serge du preez
I think they have like a waiting restaurant for Ludicrous there.
That's like my, I always go there.
If you're in Atlanta, guys, make sure you go there.
That's really important.
It's cultural land bar.
phil labonte
So, a disgusting video appears to show sewage water leaking from the ceiling of America's busiest airport on Monday.
The stomach churning footage taken by Jamal Carlos Jr. shows the murky water exploding through a ceiling panel at Hartsfield, Jackson, Atlanta International Airport.
The gushing water stunned travelers who are trying to pass through the terminal.
serge du preez
No, dude.
phil labonte
Some even seemed to cover in their nose in a desperate attempt to shield themselves from the putrid smell.
Carlos told 11 Alive, the incident happened while he was waiting for his delayed flight from Atlanta, Georgia, to Dallas, Texas.
serge du preez
Can you imagine getting delayed for hours?
And then this is what happens.
phil labonte
I mean, look, not only is it delayed, but it's literally pouring shit on your head.
Oh, you're delayed?
unidentified
That's the word.
phil labonte
You're delayed here.
Have shit on your head.
tate brown
It kind of gives you perspective, though.
Like, it makes you appreciate every delay where you don't get slimed by a human feces.
This is what Nick.
This is what.
ellie bufkin
You really want to improve your future travel.
tate brown
This is what the kids' choice awards in India is like.
unidentified
Oh, my God, Deco.
phil labonte
Oh, my God.
ellie bufkin
That was a great point.
unidentified
Brutal.
ellie bufkin
I love it.
tate brown
No, we love India.
This is a pro-India podcast.
We love India.
We love H-1Bs.
Surge is, I think, an H-1B.
We love them.
phil labonte
We don't love H-1B.
serge du preez
Check this out here on the bottom here.
It says there's no impact to overall air cooperation.
unidentified
What?
tate brown
Great.
This is Atlanta.
Like, this is Atlanta.
phil labonte
Greatness.
tate brown
We're going to have a bomb go off on the plane.
It's going off the runway.
phil labonte
I mean, I'm glad that you're not actually in the airport when you said that.
tate brown
Yeah, well, it's the Rumble Show.
You can say that, right?
serge du preez
It's like that guy Carlos here also says it's crazy.
So they moved our gate.
We were just so close to it.
Smooth a little further, but you can still smell it two or three gates down.
We're going to smell that for like a year if they don't clean that up.
tate brown
That's kind of a profound statement.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tate brown
Still smell it.
phil labonte
Oh, God.
It's just, it's, it just sounds like punishment, though.
serge du preez
Oh, that's brutal, dude.
tate brown
Yeah, that's, that's, that's.
ellie bufkin
I worked in an old hotel in Chicago years and years ago, and we had a sewage explosion problem, and I've still had PTSD from it.
I mean, it's upsetting to your core.
Like, it's, yeah.
It's not a thing you forget over a week.
serge du preez
No, I lived in the basement house in Salt Lake City.
The house was built in like 1903, and I lived there in like 2013, beginning of it.
And then the whole, like, there's like the sewers that go out to the street, like backed up.
They had like closed it back in the 70s because you know, boomers like to do smart stuff.
So just close it up and just sealed it and said, oh, nothing will happen.
Eventually, it all backed up.
And then I woke up at like three in the morning.
This happened two times, by the way.
I woke up at three in the morning and the whole floor, the whole bottom of my, my like carpet was wet, obviously with like black water and stuff like that.
So yeah, it's it's like the worst.
It's probably the most disgusting thing you can ever be around just like that.
phil labonte
I have no horror stories like that.
tate brown
I have a horrible one.
I have a horrible one.
This is not, this is like a year ago.
I used to work on boats long enough ago.
Yeah, because I've done like a lot of jobs in a very short amount of time, which is probably a red flag for being working here.
Anyway, I worked on boats.
I worked on these yachts in New York City.
And you would have to climb onto the side of the boat to like when the boat's at port, you connect the sewage, you connect the water.
So someone has to climb along the side of the boat to disconnect the sewage, disconnect the water.
That would be me because I was a deckhand.
I was the youngest person.
Well, the first time I did it, I didn't realize you had to shut the valve off from the port side and from the boat side.
So I only shut it off like leaving from the port side.
So I was like, yeah, so it's shut.
I pull it off and it sprang poop onto me and I'm held onto the side of the boat because if I let go, I'm going to go in the water.
unidentified
And I'm just getting hit in the chest with like a cube.
tate brown
And I haven't pooped to this day.
ellie bufkin
Sounds like a CAA black site.
tate brown
Oh my gosh.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Yeah.
ellie bufkin
This is what Obama was talking about when he banned towards it.
tate brown
Yeah.
phil labonte
Sounds like you were getting interrogated.
tate brown
It's like someone stomped on a colossum bag next to me.
phil labonte
Horrible.
tate brown
So I'm anti-poop after that day.
I used to be mixed on it.
You know?
Yeah.
I'm a moderate, reasonable guy.
I used to be neutral on it.
I'm anti.
phil labonte
I think that makes sense.
So, all right, let's go to collars.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
I'm going to negate that really fast here.
phil labonte
Stop talking about this poop stuff.
tate brown
Yeah, guys.
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