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Aug. 2, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Trump DEPLOYS NUCLEAR Submarines Amid Threats By Russia, SABER RATTLING Escalates | Timcast IRL
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jason ellis
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tim pool
Donald Trump is deploying nuclear submarines because Russia made provocative statements for like the 800th time.
It's saber-rattling.
Russia's been making these claims about nuking the West if we don't, you know, give into their demands or whatever.
Donald Trump is basically threatening back, saying it's time for a peace deal or else.
I'll stress, we don't know if he means nuclear-powered or nuclear-armed submarines.
So it just does seem like saber-rattling.
You know, I'll just throw my opinion right into the intro.
I don't know that it's cause for alarm or anything like that, but it is interesting.
So we will talk about this.
And then we got some fun.
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We got Jason Ellis.
jason ellis
Yay, I made it.
tim pool
Who are you, sir?
What do you do?
jason ellis
I guess I'm a retired professional skateboarder, but I still skateboard, so you can't really retire me.
And Tony Hulk is still a pro.
So screw that.
So am I. And I'm a comedian.
That's really my job.
And a podcaster.
I was a radio host, but now I'm a podcaster.
So I think that's pretty much all my jobs.
I train people how to box, teach skateboarding a little bit to the kids, teach them how to do it in a safe way.
So that's pretty much my job these days.
tim pool
Right on.
All right, it's going to be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Richie Jackson is joining us.
richie jackson
I am Richie Jackson.
I am executive director of the Richie Jackson Foundation, which is a nonprofit I started back in 2008 to hopefully one day cure me of a medical condition I have called proptosis, otherwise known as bulgy eye syndrome.
ian crossland
Are you joking?
jason ellis
Yes.
richie jackson
We also have Ian Crossland.
ian crossland
Hi, Richie.
Thanks.
Jason, good to meet you, man.
And also, I am also a comedian.
I figured this out over the last week.
People keep being like, what does he do?
Oh, I'm just, I just lighten the load, baby.
jason ellis
It just confuses you.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Let's rock and roll.
Oh, Tate.
tate brown
Yeah, what's up, guys?
ian crossland
To me, homie.
tate brown
Well, it's weird.
I put the Australia shirt on this morning, just coincidentally, and I was at a table with two Aussies.
I don't know how that's just magic, I guess.
richie jackson
You knew what you were doing.
tate brown
Divine.
I don't, yeah.
It is what it is.
So, yeah.
jason ellis
Is it cricket?
tate brown
Rugby.
I have a bunch of rugby shirts.
So, Australia, it's a miracle.
jason ellis
I'm from Melbourne, so Aussie rules.
Let's go.
I'm aware of rugby, but I was the guy that bounced it.
tim pool
Right on.
Hey, let's jump into the news.
We got this story from Reuters.
Trump orders nuclear submarines moved after Russian provocative statements.
Indeed.
U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said he had ordered two nuclear submarines to be positioned in the appropriate regions in response to remarks from former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev about the risks of war between the nuclear-armed adversaries.
Security analysts called Trump's move a rhetorical escalation with Moscow, but not necessarily a military one, given that the U.S. already has nuclear-powered submarines that are deployed and capable of striking Russia.
Okay, well, I don't like it either way.
So Medvedev said on Thursday that Trump should remember that Moscow possessed Soviet-era nuclear strike capabilities of last resort after Trump had told Medvedev to watch his words.
Based on the highly provocative statements of the former president of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, I have ordered two nuclear submarines to be positioned in the appropriate regions just in case these foolish and inflammatory statements are more than just that, Trump said.
I think it's a lot of bluster.
And we don't know if they're nuclear-powered or nuclear armed, which matters.
But here's the reality.
Russia's been threatening to nuke us and NATO nonstop for years.
And it's kind of just like blah, blah, blah.
We don't consider your words anymore.
None of us are deeply concerned by this.
But I don't know.
Should we be?
ian crossland
Well, yeah, we got to end this war.
This is like, I don't know what when Zelensky came to the U.S. and had that meeting with Trump and J.D. Vance, and then they humiliated him.
He was a second language.
It was really hard for him.
Everything changed after that.
The tone, his, he basically was like, fuck these, fuck these people.
I'm doing what I want.
Europe's still going to fund him.
Now Trump is just selling the weapons to NATO instead of giving them to NATO, but he's acting like that's a victory.
I mean, in a way, we're getting reciprocated financially for it, but we're still funding the people droning Russian cities, drone attacking Russian cities.
So like, it's not surprising that they're talking about last resort.
So we got to stop this.
I don't know what's Putin's victory condition.
Does he just want East of the Donbass?
Is that all?
Because if we can publicly get him to explain it, maybe he did to Tucker Carlson.
I didn't watch the full interview.
Probably it's right there for us to take.
Just figure out what he wants and let's resolve it.
tim pool
That's what Trump's been trying to do, but he's not negotiating anymore.
ian crossland
Like, what does he want?
tate brown
Well, that's why you're seeing this because Trump gave him an August 8th deadline.
So he's trying to maximize pressure.
I mean, initially, a few weeks ago, he said 50 days, then revised it to like July 28th, and then revised it to August 8th.
So it's maximum pressure on the Russians to try and get Putin to come to a negotiating table.
unidentified
But yeah.
tim pool
You know, I will stress how little I care about the conflict in Ukraine at this point.
Yeah.
Because it's like Trump campaigns on ending the war, and then Putin's like, nah, and then I'm just like, why are we still giving money to these guys?
Like, Trump is saying we're going to send more weapons and more money.
Why?
To like force Putin to negotiate or something?
I honestly don't think the American people actually care about this at all anymore.
I don't see flags in people's Twitter accounts or anything like that.
Nobody really talks about it.
ian crossland
If oil, if the Russians won, which it looks like is going to be inevitable in some fashion, there's going to be some sort of peace deal where the Russians take some territory.
Maybe oil is going to go up to six bucks a gallon.
Do you think people can handle that?
Literally, I'm asking.
tate brown
Well, it's the Europeans.
I think we'll be fine.
We have other partners.
Trump can drill.
tim pool
We can take Canada.
tate brown
We can take Canada.
Yeah, we can take Alberta as we should.
ian crossland
We can unify with Canada peacefully.
tate brown
Yeah, right.
Unify.
unidentified
Annex.
tim pool
Sorry, the correct word.
tate brown
Reclaim.
richie jackson
How factual is that story that a guy from the West, it was either America or Canada, he took the free citizenship deal in Russia and ended up getting conscripted, went to the front line, and a little bit of a kid.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
richie jackson
He just got killed.
tim pool
Is that I heard that, but I don't know.
richie jackson
That was a fast turnaround.
That's what I heard.
I heard drone strike, yeah.
ian crossland
Canadian guy?
He's a Canadian guy serving in gas.
tim pool
Live by the sword, man.
ian crossland
And you know, the sword is only across the street.
It seems like it's in Russia and it's so far away, but like nuclear weapons, intercontinental ballistic weaponry, satellite weaponry that we don't even know.
Like they are our neighbors.
So we should, and Alaska and Russia are like, what, 800 miles apart or something?
I don't know.
unidentified
The base is like 50 less than that.
tate brown
And Sarah Palin could see it from her window.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Figurative, almost literally.
It just seems like the red, white, and blue, man.
Their flag, it's not a coincidence that it's red, white, and blue.
They were, after the fall of the Soviet Union, they became seemingly a very strong ally to support and uphold republicanism.
I mean, it's a federation.
It's not a republic, but they're not communist.
And the Chinese Communist Party is economically threatening to take over the globe by purchasing land.
So unless the U.S. and Russia are tight, I see AI and the Chinese takeover inevitable.
So we have to be tight with Russia.
We've got to be allies with Russia.
And the people are the people, you know?
If you talk to them, they're the same Russians.
tim pool
I think everyone's lying and everything's fake.
jason ellis
Come with you.
tim pool
Yeah.
jason ellis
Yeah.
Smoke.
tim pool
Yeah.
Like this thing's been going on for years.
We have no idea what's happening at this point.
Trump wasn't able to negotiate a peace deal, but it's not just that.
Like you're talking about the negotiations of trade, all the stuff we need to be allies with.
And it's like we're hearing now on the liberals are saying that the federal government is no longer tracking inflation data the way they used to.
They switched it up in May so that Trump can effectively make whatever numbers he wants so it looks good.
On the right, they're saying, no, that's not correct.
The numbers are just good.
And I'm sitting here being like, I don't know, man.
It's all fake, I guess.
ian crossland
Age of deep think.
They do want to demoralize, but it's a tactic to demoralize your others by getting them so confused that they give up.
That is a tactic.
So I feel that too.
I feel like, I don't even know what's real, so why even care?
unidentified
But it feels like I'm being opted by booking.
tate brown
Well, I think that's specifically Trump's strategy is to flood the zone.
It's flooded with information.
If you keep changing deadlines, changing this, that, and the other.
tim pool
You think Trump is doing that?
tate brown
Yeah, I think that's part of his, I think that's part of his strategy is it allows the administration to have a lot more breathing room because some of the stuff they're pulling off right now Would have been completely impossible 10 years ago.
And I think part of that is because the media and the left are so demoralized and no one can keep up with what he's doing because it changes each day.
It's actually a strategy.
tim pool
That was the Pam Bondi Epstein strategy.
Just say a bunch of random crap and then cross your finger.
tate brown
That one's a little different story.
But as far as negotiations go, I mean, I think that tracks, certainly with Russia.
ian crossland
It's better to apologize than ask for permission.
I think that's the strategy.
tim pool
I hate that so much.
ian crossland
I do too, but it's functional on a mammalian level.
I think mammals are more attuned to you just, you know, taking what you need and then apologizing later as opposed to, oh, can I?
Can I?
No, you're not going to be part of the gene pool.
You're asking too many questions.
tim pool
Bro, that's a really, really weird way.
ian crossland
It's deep mammalian behavior.
tim pool
Okay, so when you say you're not going to be part of the gene pool, can you take, can you now explain the logical conclusion of what you mean?
ian crossland
People that wait to be to eat last, and they're like, they ask, can I have some of the meat from our kill?
Can I?
I'm waiting my turn.
tim pool
I understand because they didn't get fed.
When you then say you won't be part of the gene pool, it implies something else.
ian crossland
Saying that to the person that is just asking and refuses to just take it and apologize later.
If you're always the person that asks, you might end up being, your genes may just not procreate because you're waiting to get fed.
You're always asking.
So there's a time and a place when you've got to seize the opportunity if it hurts people or things.
richie jackson
You're actually right because, you know, dogs will take food without asking and they'll apologize later.
And there's millions of them.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
Very good point.
I'm not saying as a human, we should be doing this, but I think it's a mammalian trait.
jason ellis
I did it the other day.
My friend owns a horse.
She's a rich person.
She got a rich horse.
And now I see the horse all the time.
So it's our horse.
And she was like, when you ride him, I want to be there the first time you ride him.
And she hasn't been around lately.
So I just rode him.
And then I filmed it.
And I was like, hey, I rode your horse.
And I feel like if I had said, I'm going to ride your horse today.
She would have said, wait till I get there.
And she wasn't going to get there.
She was busy.
And I was like, I rode him and I'm alive.
And she was like, well, then if you're alive and it's okay, then everything's okay.
And I was like, that worked.
tim pool
There you go.
unidentified
See?
jason ellis
So there you go.
tim pool
But you know, what I was told is, Ian, it's always ask because you might not have to buy her dinner.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
You might get driven.
You know, you never know.
You might not have to drive.
tim pool
Serge is laughing, but I don't know if Ian understands.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Always ask.
I'm with it.
I think I grew up asking for permission living inside the lines, but there's a time and a place when you got to make noise and be the one that stands up in the crowd unexpectedly and not wait to be called on.
jason ellis
Depends on how hungry you are.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You know what's actually funny?
I actually just told this story the other day about when I was when I was flying to Ukraine, we had to stop in Moscow.
This is this is 10 years ago.
So I'm in London and Vice sends us to Kiev.
It's a connecting flight that lands in Moscow and flies to Kiev.
In the UK, when you're getting on a plane, they're like, no, calling group one.
And you like, you get up and you go in line and you're in group one.
Like, no, calling group two.
And everyone's orderly.
In Moscow, they say in Russian or whatever, not calling group one.
Every single person stood up and rushed the gate and they were shoving each other out of the way and just wiggling their tickets in the air.
And then I was like standing there shocked, like, what is going on?
It's weird.
And so I said, went in Rome and I shoved my way through and then just gave them my ticket, went on as everybody.
And then I realized something with the Soviet Union and communism.
If you lived in a system like the Soviet Union that was starving, if you were the kind of person that got in line and waited, there was no food left by the time you got to the front.
But if you're the person that shoved everybody out of the way and ran up and grabbed the food and ran, you survived.
jason ellis
It's the same in China.
unidentified
I was going to say I would expect that from the Chinese, but not the I noticed that line enough for planes.
jason ellis
If these person keeps bumping into my back when I'm in the line, I know it's not disrespect.
It's just where they come from.
They're like, yeah, I'm trying to get as close as I can, like deal with it.
richie jackson
Still not cool.
tim pool
I wonder if that board's faster.
Just free because I was watching this video.
It was a video that went viral a while ago about how boarding airplanes is fake.
tate brown
Oh, right.
tim pool
They do it because it makes people feel good.
For real, like, you can pay to board first.
And so people do.
And they were saying that boarding at randomly is faster than the way we do it.
But people get angry because they think like, I have, you know, status and I pay extra.
Or they want to board with their family and they don't want to.
So the most efficient way to board is windows first, then aisles.
I'm sorry, then middle seats, then aisles.
But instead, they're just like, nah, we're going to keep it this way.
And it sucks and doesn't work.
ian crossland
It makes more sense to board the back of the plane first, but the people that pay the money want to sit up front.
tim pool
Windows first.
unidentified
Both.
ian crossland
Windows in the back, and then you'd slowly come to the front of the plane.
tim pool
Right.
Then the middles, then the aisles.
ian crossland
All the luggage is open near the front.
tim pool
And then people get mad because they're like, I got here an hour early and I want to put the bag up.
jason ellis
I don't think people know how to get on and off a plane anymore.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
jason ellis
That's what I've noticed.
Doesn't matter what you say.
It's just like, I know people can't get off a plane.
That's the one I noticed the most.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
richie jackson
Not when you're on fire.
jason ellis
Just get, just go.
And it's some, they have their bags back here or they're waiting for this or they're trying to do two bags or somebody in front of me is trying to sneak in front of me and the other person wants to wait.
And I'm like, what is with all you people?
Like, it's the same as when I see it in traffic.
Like people line up in the big line.
I'm like, there's a line right there with no one's in it, but nobody goes over there.
It's just dumb.
Most people are dumb.
ian crossland
I think slowing down and lines and order actually gets you there faster because of the risk of traffic jams, which can clog up the entryway.
It's why you got to back off and let everyone off the train first before you board the train in New York.
It's etiquette.
It's like, get out of the way, let everyone off.
And I think that's probably why societies that grab and take are usually fail.
jason ellis
Also, people think that skateboards is not luggage.
You ever get that?
So I take my skateboard on the plane and people, I put it in in the overhead and someone goes, this happens a lot.
Whose skateboard is this?
And I go, mine.
And they go, well, you need to move it.
I'm like, no, I don't.
And they're like, what do you mean you don't?
I'm like, this is, it's my bag.
It was in there first.
If your bag was in there, I wouldn't go, whose bag is this?
You need to move it.
Just because mine's got wheels on it, yours has usually got wheels on it too.
I'm not moving it.
But there is a weird thing where I'm a child.
I have a child's toy and I do not deserve equal respect as another person because it's a skateboard, not luggage.
tim pool
They try this with guitars too.
ian crossland
Did you move it?
tim pool
Everybody's a man.
jason ellis
No, never.
I get in trouble because I look like an asshole as well.
So it's like, look, we're not trying to start trouble, sir.
And I'm like, I'm not starting trouble.
I'm just telling you that that's staying right there.
It was there first.
ian crossland
Is it your checked luggage?
Is that it?
Oh, okay.
jason ellis
Yeah, there's a weird thing where people treat skateboarders differently than normal people.
tim pool
We are an oppressed minority.
tate brown
Yeah, I believe.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I stand with you guys.
I stand.
jason ellis
Yeah, I get profiled, man.
Tony Hawk is his fault too, because he skateboards in the airport.
And I do too, because I see him do it.
But the difference is, I've realized this from trial and error.
When Tony Hawk skateboards in the airport, everyone goes, whoa, it's Tony Hawk.
When I skateboarded the airport, people don't go, whoa, cool.
It's Tony Hawk.
They go, who is this asshole?
And who does he think he is?
And then people get mad at him.
ian crossland
It's coming right out.
tim pool
You know what's funny?
Like, do you think Tony Hawk understands his privilege?
jason ellis
Oh, yeah.
No, because we've talked about it when we used to have the podcast together.
I had a security guy go to me, hey, you can't skate in here.
And I was holding it.
And I was like, I'm holding it.
And he was yelling at me.
And I was like, but I'm holding it.
And he's like, well, you can't skateboard in here.
And I'm like, agreed.
But as you can see, sir, I am holding it.
And he was like, it's people like Tony Hawk.
And he mentioned it by name.
The first thing I did when I got home was go, dude, you are making my life hell.
People are pointing me out now because you are posting videos of you skateboarding in airports.
tim pool
You ever watch 30 Rock?
jason ellis
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Do you know that John Hamm bit they had where he was in the bubble?
So in 30 Rock, John Hamm's character is so attractive.
He's like mentally retarded, but everyone keeps talking about how great he is, how smart he is.
He thinks he speaks French, but he doesn't because they just find him so attractive.
There are people like that that walk through this world getting away with things like Tony does.
jason ellis
But he also does have stories where he gets treated like me because not everybody knows Tony Hawk.
A lot of people do, a lot more than us.
But every now and then he has been told you cannot bring that on the plane.
Because some people will make up their own rules on a plane.
Like the flight attendant goes, you cannot bring that on the plane.
And he'll go, how's that possible?
I checked in my bags and the person said, you're bringing the skateboard on the plane.
Sounds good.
But now you're trying to check.
Because some people pretend that, well, they think that they're their own security or they can call the shots.
And now instead of having, you don't want to have an argument.
Tony will not argue with the lady if you can't bring it.
But he's been checked before and called out for having a skateboard.
tim pool
You know what I do when I'm boarding a plane and they say, like, hey, we're full, you can't bring your bags on.
I just go, oh, sorry about that.
I walk to the back of the line and then I hold the bag slightly at an angle to where the person at the gate no longer can see it.
And then I walk up and scam by taking notes and anything and I walk out with it.
ian crossland
Dude, they'll be like, you can't have two carry-ons.
You can't have your backpack and your fanny pack.
You have to put the fanny pack in the backpack when you walk through the aisle and then you can take it out.
unidentified
I've had that.
tate brown
Well, they just make up rules.
Like you're going through TSA and then they yell at you.
You're like, I didn't realize those keep your shoes on, Day.
I'm sorry.
richie jackson
What's the deal with airplanes?
ian crossland
They're pretty cowards.
But wonderful technology.
Amazing.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from TMZ.
American Eagle Sidney Sweeney's jeans ad is about jeans.
Speaking of jeans that Ian was just mentioning.
So they're actually trying to claim, they've issued a response saying Sidney Sweeney has great jeans, is and always was about her jeans.
Her jeans, her story.
We'll continue to celebrate how everyone wears their American Eagle jeans with confidence their way.
Great jeans look good on everyone.
Come on.
sydney sweeney
Jeans are passed on from parents to offspring.
Often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color.
My jeans are blue.
unidentified
Sidney Sweeney has great genes.
ian crossland
Love it.
Love the semantics.
tim pool
So I'm like, with this commercial from a week ago and this statement now, are they really trying to claim that they're not talking about her genetics?
ian crossland
I think they do them both, aren't they?
jason ellis
Yeah, I thought that's what they were doing.
I just don't get how it's racist.
tim pool
Me neither.
jason ellis
Because I was on TikTok before I saw the actual ad and I saw a bunch of TikTokers flipping out on her for the ad.
And I was like, oh man, what has she done?
And now I'm trying to find the actual ad.
And I'm like, wait, maybe I'm not watching the actual ad yet because I'm not seeing it.
And then I and then I realize, no, you did.
You watched it.
You're just not getting that there's some racist.
It's just, she's saying she's hot.
She's got blue eyes and her genes are blue.
It doesn't mean anything about being a superior race or anything.
richie jackson
Well, the campaign, to be fair, the campaign was originally titled Eugenics, but I think they had to change that.
unidentified
It's funny.
jason ellis
This is a bulging eyes thing again.
ian crossland
It's a serious condition.
And truthfully, Beyonce also has great genes.
I would argue.
That's with a G. I think she was genetically blessed as a human, but they didn't do a Beyonce ad.
I don't really care what color skin the person has when you're talking about who has good genetics as a human.
jason ellis
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not like a bit basic for me anyway.
tim pool
So what basically happens is they're clearly talking about her genetics.
She's literally saying genes are passed down.
And so for some reason, I guess these woke lefties were like, genetics means eugenics.
And it's like, nobody said you have to be white or anything like that.
They were just saying she has good genes and they're commenting on her boobs.
And then they got all mad about it.
And now it looks like American Eagles trying to claim it's just about her jeans or her pants.
richie jackson
I like that she said, and even eye color.
If it wasn't jeans determining eye color, what would it be?
It's literally the only thing that's closed.
tate brown
Now, if they do a cloud with Hugo Boss, that might be a red flag.
jason ellis
There you go.
ian crossland
I bet when they were in the group was in there talking about how are we going to do this commercial, you know, putting it all together.
They probably discussed, should we say genes with a G or with, just spell it with genes?
It'll confuse people if we put the G in there.
Let's just imply it.
tate brown
Do we leave the Kanye song on or what do we do?
tim pool
Hallelujah.
ian crossland
I like that they're talking about genetics and sexuality and they're making her look sexy because we need genetic replication right now as a species.
So getting people horny is I'm fine with that.
tim pool
So they just released this and I'll play this video.
sydney sweeney
Hi, I'm Sydney Sweeney and I'm from Spokane, Washington.
unidentified
I can work as a local hire as well though.
sydney sweeney
And I'm available for the American Eagle jeans campaign shoot.
unidentified
Profile on hands, please.
Is that it?
jason ellis
And those jeans suck.
unidentified
Thanks.
ian crossland
They do.
tim pool
Are those the actual genes?
richie jackson
What do you got against white people?
tim pool
Yo, hey, those look like jinkos.
jason ellis
Those are a thing now.
tim pool
Really?
jason ellis
Yeah, I'm like, she's younger, and I try to make her not wear those when I'm around her.
But it's a thing.
ian crossland
Too flowy.
jason ellis
It's a thing.
When you're hot, you wear bigger jeans now.
And I'm like, why are you doing that?
Oh.
ian crossland
It doesn't show the contour of the body.
jason ellis
I don't know why.
Look, each to their own.
We go through phases, but my chick is hot.
And I'm like, wear tight jeans.
I don't care if someone else is looking.
I'm looking.
And your baggy ones, it's just like, you look like you got pajamas on.
richie jackson
Does she have any say in how you dress?
jason ellis
She could, yeah, for sure.
richie jackson
Has she recommended that?
jason ellis
I think she's very stylish, so I don't really have to worry about that.
richie jackson
That's true, yeah.
jason ellis
But if she was like, what are those, you know, and I had like some Crocs on or something, which I would never do, but I would respect her for bringing that up.
richie jackson
The Crocs stay on.
jason ellis
They would, no, they don't.
They would never be on ever.
I will never wear those.
ian crossland
What are your shoes of choice?
jason ellis
Nikes or vans?
Vans to skate, Nikes to walk around in.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
I'm about to get some hiking shoes tomorrow.
jason ellis
Any that's no, don't do that.
richie jackson
Yeah, just don't do that.
jason ellis
Yeah, don't go to the bottom.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
They're not comfortable.
jason ellis
No, they're not.
ian crossland
These are new talents.
jason ellis
I don't know why.
That's not hiking.
richie jackson
Ian, you're a Beetle boot guy.
You need some Beetle boots.
unidentified
Boots?
richie jackson
Yeah.
tate brown
I think you should go Crocs.
ian crossland
Just high top.
tate brown
Circle back.
ian crossland
Just Crocs.
tate brown
Crocs.
richie jackson
Something like Crocs.
tate brown
You can go in the water.
richie jackson
Sports shoes don't work with your whole kid.
ian crossland
When you say don't do that, you mean don't do sports shoes with high tips.
jason ellis
No, I'm saying don't do crocs.
ian crossland
Oh, no, no, I don't want to do crocs.
jason ellis
Crocs are bad for the society.
ian crossland
I don't know anything about them.
jason ellis
They're not attractive.
If you start wearing them, it's like, look, if I was going to, if I was going to mug people, I would obviously not do that.
But if I was going to, I would, my person I would pick would be a person in Crocs.
Because when you wear Crocs, you wear socks, and I'll punch you out of your Crocs.
And then you'll have socks on and you can't punch back because you can't punch with socks on.
ian crossland
Socks in the Crocs.
jason ellis
You're better than that.
And you've got to be ready to protect your mom and your sister and your girlfriend.
So having Crocs on means you're not ready to defend anyone.
ian crossland
Oh, I'm the same way with neckties.
tate brown
Put them in sports mode.
tim pool
It's not about.
jason ellis
You cannot put them in sports.
tate brown
Same sports mode.
jason ellis
It's not.
It's no.
tim pool
Sports mode.
jason ellis
Somebody tried to tell me that because I have a joke about it.
And I was like, wait, sports mode?
unidentified
What?
jason ellis
And it's like, yeah, the little thing on the back, you flick it over.
Now you're in there.
It's not really in there.
tate brown
Oh, it's, oh, it's sportsy.
I'm like a Ferrari when I throw that thing back.
tim pool
Men need to have calloused feet and hands so you can protect your family from anything.
jason ellis
You got to be ready.
ian crossland
You can pull kid out of the fire if he ever falls in.
jason ellis
Look, if society knows that all of us are ready, then they're less inclined to do bad stuff.
But if you're walking around or slouching around with your weird ass crocs and socks on, people are like, man, you know what?
I think I'm just going to mug somebody.
ian crossland
Andrew Huber was saying this exactly.
He's a neuroscientist.
He was saying, if you don't let your attention fall.
jason ellis
I'm basically in neuroscience.
Just so I'm a doctor.
ian crossland
He's saying if you let your attention fall into what's easy, that you become trained to become a prey animal.
jason ellis
Yes.
Yes.
That's why I believe everybody should learn how to fight.
Everybody should always stay fit.
Don't eat too much crap.
Like, you got to be ready at all times for the rest of your life.
It's disrespectful to the people that need defense in your life.
Like moms, girlfriends, daughters, people like that, kids.
Like, you can't rob me.
You can't rob my family.
You touch my family.
I got you.
You know, same as if I'm in a train.
When people get mugged and people pull their phone out and film it, not me.
I'm taking you out.
tim pool
Do you hear that?
You hear that story about this was a couple years ago.
A woman was on a train in Philly and a guy started raping her on the train in front of people.
jason ellis
And people filmed it.
tim pool
Yeah, that's all they did.
They just pulled their phones and stood there and watched it happen.
jason ellis
See, I've really analyzed this, and I get it because I've seen some videos lately where people are getting jumped on the street.
And I get it.
People are like, why didn't somebody jump in?
I'm like, you know, the person that jumps in is getting jumped.
And I don't blame a normal citizen for not jumping in.
They're like, I don't want to get knocked unconscious.
That's a legitimate gripe.
That's scary.
But if you do it enough, if we all do it enough, it will start to become normal.
And the bad people will be less inclined to do stuff like that because they know instead of pulling our phones out, like it's pretty obvious that's what we do these days.
If like five to six people jump in and start protecting that person, then society starts to catch on.
ian crossland
I've seen videos of that like in Spain or in France or something of just catch a crowd, just taking a dude out that was like violently beating a woman or something.
Then five guys jump him and it's like, feels good to see people protect their, I mean, I don't advocate for, I'm not like, yeah, let's go hurt people, but when someone comes, a human animal comes in, which humans are animals, and they start wreaking havoc in a society.
And then the society comes in and solves the problem by subduing the guy.
It feels good.
It's like, this is what we should be doing.
We should be protecting each other.
jason ellis
That's what we're supposed to do.
That's the thing that I don't, you know, I don't want to hurt anybody.
I'm not into that.
Like, I train, I fight my friends.
I don't fight random people.
I'm not interested in having a street fight with anybody ever.
But if you are bullying somebody or beating up on somebody, two people against one, I'm going to stop it.
You know, I'm just going to stop it because that's God made me for that.
You know, like I was built for this.
So if I don't do it, I'm disrespecting God.
That's how I see it.
Like, if you get, if you start picking on one person, it's five people, I'm jumping in, man.
And I'm not trying to hurt five people, but I am going to break it up.
And if I have to break it up by hurting somebody, then I will because I'm not going to let you get away with it.
ian crossland
I was thinking about how, and it's just one instance, the Chinese spy balloon that flew across North America and people just sat there and watched this like dazed poor animal otherwise.
Make a noise about it or something.
Not make a noise out of we talked about it.
tim pool
I complained the whole lot.
ian crossland
Yeah, we talked about it as it floated over the United States snapping pictures or doing whatever.
tim pool
Yeah, I watched Richie was screaming.
ian crossland
It was kind of, maybe it's not so related, but a society of people that have become prey because they watch their TV screen and wait to be told so much.
jason ellis
Did you know that wasps, I saw this, I don't know where, probably TikTok because I've got problems, but beehives, wasps will go to a beehive and one wasp will kill bees one by one, just grab him and sting him and kill him.
And bees figured out that if they swarm that wasp and group up on him, they overheat the wasp until it dies.
ian crossland
Yeah, they farmed.
jason ellis
And they don't have, they've got no crocs on.
You know what I mean?
Like they, they are, that is like a thing where they are protecting the hive.
And we, we're, we're, we, we're way smarter than bees.
Why don't we do that?
Like, why?
ian crossland
You kind of do with police.
tim pool
Because the issue is.
jason ellis
The police don't get there in time.
tim pool
And then, but the problem now is if the wasp comes in and you swarm, you'll get called racist on the internet.
You lose your job.
You'll get fired.
You'll get arrested.
jason ellis
I didn't say the wasp was black.
tim pool
What do you do?
I didn't say the wasp was black either.
I said, you'll get called racist no matter what.
ian crossland
If our society is more life and death, like the bees and the wasps, I don't think people would complain.
It's luxury of like being protected.
jason ellis
I'm okay to be called a name if I'm saving somebody.
ian crossland
You know how they do it too?
They surround the wasp and then they vibrate, and the frequency they vibrate at causes.
jason ellis
It makes the hate.
It's pretty amazing, right?
Because I don't feel like they know they're doing that, but they do it.
tim pool
They know that it kills it.
jason ellis
It's crazy that they figured that out.
Like, I watched a video on it.
I was like, and I'm pretty sure, like, first two guys that get in, they probably get hurt.
If they're committed to the family, you know?
tim pool
Yep.
That's what it means to be a man.
Let's jump to this story.
This is a crazy story out of Fairfax.
This is ABC 7.
I don't know if you guys saw this one.
Suspect and child abduction caught on video at Virginia Mall involved in over 30 prior criminal cases.
They say scary moments unfolded inside of Virginia Mall when a man grabbed a toddler at a popular play area for children.
According to Fairfax County Police, Andre Caceres Yaldin even made it to the upper level of the Fair Oaks Mall before the child's parents stopped him.
Virginians for Safety president Sean Kennedy told Seven News he was stunned by how quickly the abduction happened.
It's striking that somebody could do this in broad daylight and no one would notice.
So they say Seven News dug into the suspect's lengthy criminal record detailing more than 30 criminal cases in Fairfax County, including a felony charge just weeks before the abduction for allegedly not stopping at the scene of a car accident.
He's also been charged with assault and battery of a family member and malicious wounding.
But records show Fairfax County Commonwealth Attorney Steve Descano declined prosecuting those two cases.
This is crazy, man.
richie jackson
I actually, this kind of relates to what you were saying earlier, this story.
I did almost see a child abduction.
I was in Spain of all places and somebody calls out of the playground like, hey, that guy's trying to take my kid, whatever.
Then they're yelling like, peda dust, which means pedophile in Spanish, I guess.
And I was like, holy shit.
And everybody kind of was going after the guy, and he pulls out a knife.
So then it becomes a standoff.
But like you were saying, we actually did stuff.
Like, I wasn't even communicating with these guys verbally, but we all just had to look like, all right, surround him.
You know, he's pointing the knife at each of us kind of thing.
Like, who's he going to choose?
Cops did get there quick, and it was a great takedown.
The dude would tackle him as he took the knife out.
But the weird twist of this story is the guy had Down syndrome.
So they just called his parents.
His dad came, picked him up and took him home.
ian crossland
Yeah, mental.
tim pool
So this is a crazy story.
I guess what happened was the father had the kids in the play area and he didn't realize one of the girls had run off outside of the play area.
And this dude walked up and just grabbed the kid and went right into the shop, into the department store.
But the mom was in the department store and saw him and then confronted him and he released the kid to her.
jason ellis
And dad's in trouble.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
He must be very embarrassed.
ian crossland
This is like a one job.
jason ellis
Like mom saw it from the department store and dad didn't and he was watching the kids.
That is a bad look.
tim pool
I bet he was on his phone.
tate brown
Also, dad shouldn't.
Parents shouldn't have to worry about a world where there's a guy with 30 priors walking around.
jason ellis
I know, but you're talking about mental stability in the world.
You got to be ready for.
I know there's evil people out there and we should stop them, but there's also, you know, life's tough, man.
Sometimes people pop and they're not like all there.
Or, you know, if you're mentally like, you know, you're a crazy person, but you're, you're, you're, you're, you have a guardian and the guardian lost where you were for a second and you pick up a kid.
Like things can happen.
And you should, if you've got a kid, look, dude, I'm a dad.
Like, if I'm watching a kid in the playground, you ain't getting out, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
jason ellis
Like, I'm watching you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jason ellis
Like, that's it.
It's your baby.
tim pool
Yep.
Yeah, it's crazy to me.
And I know what happens to some people.
It's brutal, but like, how do you leave your kid in a car?
tate brown
Oh, that's ridiculous.
tim pool
Yeah.
I don't.
jason ellis
I don't.
tim pool
Well, if you're going to the strip club and unless it's intentional and they're just claiming it's not.
richie jackson
It's always a bar or strip club or something as well.
ian crossland
I would ask to be left in the car.
My mom would take me shopping.
I didn't want to go walk around Joanne Fabrics for an hour and touch fabrics.
So I would be like, can I stay in the car and play on my watch?
I had a watch video game.
It's on and the car's off.
It's locked.
Windows were cracked.
There were a handhold roller so I could roll them up and down if I needed.
tim pool
Yeah, but how old were you?
ian crossland
45 minutes.
Between the age of 11 and 13 or something.
tim pool
About babies.
ian crossland
10 to 13.
Okay.
tim pool
There are all these stories where people forget their babies in the back seat and the baby dies.
jason ellis
Forget your on, dude.
tim pool
That's crazy.
jason ellis
You shouldn't be a parent.
ian crossland
It's a crime called.
tate brown
It was unfortunate.
jason ellis
There's a dog.
I don't care.
Dog, cat, like, baby.
You don't leave them in the car.
You don't forget.
It's your family.
What are we doing here?
tate brown
A lot of stories.
People snap and kill their kids, and then they come up with some abstract medical situation.
And it's like, okay.
tim pool
There was one story I saw where a cop left his dog in his SUV.
He pulled him in front of his house, went inside, and then 45 minutes later, he realized the dog was in it.
The dog was dead.
richie jackson
Cops love killing dogs, though.
jason ellis
They do.
richie jackson
Tell me I'm wrong.
tim pool
Well, that'll be for tomorrow's debate on the culture war.
We've got Michael Malice and Richard High, angry cops.
That'll be my claim.
I'll say, you know, like Michael Malice's, no, cops are bad, and Richard High's cops are good.
And I'm going to be like, my argument is just that cops like killing dogs.
richie jackson
They certainly do.
The amount I've seen.
They're so trigger happy.
tate brown
FO quarterbacks, Michael Vick, they like doing it too.
tim pool
You know, I got to be honest.
I'm joking.
I don't actually think cops like killing dogs, but I have seen some videos where I really question if the cops just wanted to kill a dog.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
For real.
richie jackson
Straight up.
One of them was a Chihuahua.
tim pool
I've never seen that one.
tate brown
That one might be justified, to be fair.
richie jackson
Yeah, fair.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
A guy shot a Chihuahua?
richie jackson
Yeah.
tim pool
Where?
tate brown
When?
ian crossland
Crazy.
richie jackson
What happened?
He was like, well, he was actually, at first, was either Chihuahua or what are those miniature poodles?
What are they called?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Miniature poodle.
unidentified
Miniature children.
tim pool
Toy poodle.
richie jackson
Yeah, the annoying ones.
But no, he was actually really working towards a positive, like bringing it back to the home.
And then he just got bored and shot it.
What?
This is a real thing.
tim pool
Are you kidding?
richie jackson
No, it's a real thing.
ian crossland
Was it in a newspaper?
tim pool
I just shot a toy poodle?
richie jackson
Yeah.
tate brown
Because he was bored?
richie jackson
Well, it seemed that way.
And he comes back and he goes, I had to dispatch it.
Like, dispatch?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
No, I got to be honest.
I just Google searched.
Cop shoots toy poodle in like nothing.
78,000.
richie jackson
Oh, 78,000?
Okay, there you go.
tate brown
It's like open season on these little dudes.
ian crossland
I mean, I've never trained as a cop.
I imagine they're told if a dog aggresses on you, you have the right to kill it.
tim pool
If you're cop shoots small, blind dogs.
richie jackson
Yeah, it was blind, too.
How about that?
unidentified
Oh, even more reason to take it out.
tim pool
Here we go.
In Missouri, copyright shot a small blind dog.
tate brown
I think he's putting it out of his misery.
I mean, look at that.
richie jackson
There's video, too.
tim pool
Was this one you were talking about?
richie jackson
Yeah, it looks like him.
I recognize him.
tim pool
Teddy was blind and deaf.
jason ellis
Right, so he couldn't hear and he couldn't see.
richie jackson
Is that the killer?
jason ellis
Shot him because he thought he was coming at him.
richie jackson
Yeah, that's what it must have been.
jason ellis
Look at that dog.
richie jackson
Yeah.
jason ellis
If it's coming at you, should you worry?
If you worry, you shouldn't be a cop.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Look at this.
jason ellis
You can't handle that.
If you can't handle that guy hand to hand, you should not be.
richie jackson
What's his name?
Teddy?
tim pool
To be fair, Teddy was 13 pounds.
richie jackson
Okay.
jason ellis
No.
Oh, all 13 pounds.
Wow.
ian crossland
And he might have gone feral.
You know, some dogs when they're breaking, when they're breaking, when they're breaking down in their legs.
jason ellis
Look at him.
unidentified
Feral shit.
jason ellis
Look at him.
ian crossland
Super aggro.
jason ellis
He went fattest thing ever, dude.
richie jackson
There's a video of it.
tim pool
It's so funny.
ian crossland
When dogs are suffering at the end of their life, sometimes they're not.
tate brown
He has a slick sweater on.
He can't go feral.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He does like a bad thing.
tim pool
Oh, dude, that poor dog.
jason ellis
I know.
richie jackson
Who called the cops on him?
jason ellis
I don't pull a gun.
ian crossland
He pulled a gun.
You know, it wasn't his fault.
richie jackson
Yeah.
ian crossland
Eddie?
richie jackson
No, I think they called him because he should have complied.
tate brown
I don't know.
tim pool
How did the dog even bark at the cop without hearing or seeing him?
jason ellis
Oh, they can sense someone.
tim pool
Oh, the smell, though.
He smelled something.
jason ellis
Just a dog, dude.
ian crossland
Did he run at his legs and bite his legs or something?
jason ellis
I think there's video of it.
richie jackson
There's video, really?
I think the family might have thought it was like a fireman situation, like, come and get my lost dog.
It might have been like that.
tim pool
It's a five-year-old she to sue.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, she's a good one.
tim pool
You have to do that because of the algorithm.
We can't say, you know what I mean?
Who was blind and deaf?
A neighbor found Teddy, gave him water, and put him, put out a notice on Facebook seeing the dog's owner.
After an hour, according to a lawsuit, she called police for help.
An officer named Myron Woodson pulled up in his car, pulled on a pair of rubber gloves, and ambled through the line of trees onto a wide lawn where the little dog was nosing about in the sunshine.
He carried a dog snare, but he struggled to secure it.
There you go.
He can be heard saying, I'm not going to let you bite me.
He adds a moment later as the dog potters about at his feet, panting and wagging its tail.
Trying to help you, baby, he says.
Oh my God.
The dog continues to amble about.
It gets caught for a moment in a vine hanging from a tree.
Woodson paces after it, shifting the pole to his other hand.
There is a click and then a loud report of a gunshot.
Five seconds later, he fires again.
Had to dispatch it, he says.
Oh my God.
jason ellis
Wait, more than one shot.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Dude, yo, what?
ian crossland
You wounded it?
tim pool
And then he said, had to dispatch it.
richie jackson
I feel vindicated here.
They do want to kill him.
ian crossland
So you call animal control is what should have happened.
tate brown
Oh, man.
jason ellis
Jeez, you got to have training, dude.
richie jackson
Oh, Teddy.
tim pool
A little over an hour later, a tearful hunter found Woodson outside Sturgeon City Hall, a windowless metallic building.
Looks rather like a shed.
I want to talk to the officer who shot my dog.
He says in a video of the encounter, she's a 13-pound sheet, a tassoo.
There was no need to use lethal force.
There are many other tactics.
Oh, you want to talk, talk, or you want me to tell you how to do the job?
Woodson replies, you already did the job.
There is no talking.
The officer says he could not have known the dog was blind or deaf.
I don't enjoy shooting dogs.
I'm not happy to shoot a dog.
I got dogs myself.
He said the dog might have been injured for all he knew.
How was I supposed to know the dog was blind and just confused?
jason ellis
What that got to do is shooting it.
Pick it up.
It's a poodle.
tim pool
How did we end up on this story?
We're talking about a child abductor or something.
ian crossland
Oh, Richie or something.
Richie elucidated us to how much cops love going after dogs.
tim pool
Well, because look, I want to say it again.
Look, I Google searched.
Cop shot a toy poodle, like Richie mentioned.
And there's just a bunch of different stories about cops shooting dogs.
tate brown
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
There's Salt Lake City.
There's what do we got here?
Her dog Sinatra.
This shouldn't have happened.
Seattle.
richie jackson
There's going to be people watching the show that's happened to.
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
I don't want to make it.
Is there a scientific study on it?
Look, look at this.
University of New Hampshire, more than just collateral damage, pet shootings by police.
You know, I'm starting to think the activists got it wrong with BLM.
It's dog lives, man.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Those cops are going around killing unarmed dogs.
ian crossland
The term pet, though, that's interesting because is it domesticated?
Did you train it properly?
Because an untrained, like, big dog is so dangerous.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
You got to dispatch, though.
richie jackson
I'm not talking about the baby eaters.
unidentified
Yeah.
richie jackson
Like, that's a whole different thing.
ian crossland
Like a German shepherd.
Then they say the pit bull.
What are you guys thoughts on pit bulls in general?
Do you think that the Germans?
richie jackson
I've known really sweet ones and I've known nightmares.
tate brown
Bannom.
Bannom.
ian crossland
You think so?
tim pool
Ban them.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
And the breeding?
tate brown
Yeah, because it's like they commit, what, 60%, 70% of fatal dog attacks, and they're 3%, 4% of the dog population.
They're bred to kill.
Okay, maybe not.
You don't have to ban it, but having them be like selective breeding.
Like, you need to have like some permit or something.
richie jackson
I'm ambivalent, man.
You know, there's a big pit bull community that's going to come after you now.
tate brown
That's fine because they can't argue with data.
They have like vibes.
Oh, they have data.
jason ellis
Dude, I had a friend on my podcast, a girl.
She was a model, and she was staying at her auntie's house who had a pit bull, and she knew the pit bull.
And she was in the kitchen grabbing a plate or something.
And she turned around, and the dog jumped up at the same time, bit her front lip off.
unidentified
Whoa.
jason ellis
And she had to get like the dog took the lip.
She got a skin graft thing, so she has like this weird top lip thing.
richie jackson
Oh, did she skate?
jason ellis
Yeah.
richie jackson
Yeah, I've seen her on Instagram.
jason ellis
Oh, that's a really cool chick.
And she's really, she's very pretty.
And she's got a very noticeable top lip now from this incident.
And when she came on my show and talked about it, she talked about what kind of dog it was.
And people attacked me for attacking pit bulls.
And I was like, we didn't attack a pit bull.
We were just telling the story.
And the lady, the girl never said anything bad about pit bulls, but pit bull owners attacked Both of us for telling the story.
And I was like, I don't see, like, I think you're a little over the top on this one.
richie jackson
Also, my friend's top list is.
unidentified
What's her name?
jason ellis
Oh, man.
tim pool
Is it Brooke?
jason ellis
Yeah.
tim pool
I just Googled the story.
jason ellis
She's still a model.
Like, she still does stuff.
She did, like, skate.
She did, like, skateboarding.
She rips at skating, too.
richie jackson
Here's the thing.
jason ellis
She's just super happy, like, a good-spirited person.
And to go through such a traumatic bastard dog.
tim pool
This is the story from CBS.
A dog tore off her upper lip five surgeries later.
She's a voice for others with facial injuries.
She's 20 years old, and she was teaching English, and everything was going fine.
richie jackson
She doesn't want to learn English.
tim pool
Skateboarding, modeling, all that stuff.
In November 2020, her cousin invited to take advantage of a cheap flight and visit her in Arizona.
Her biggest words about a zit on her upper lip.
Then something Corey still can identify triggered her cousin's pit bull.
The dog launched at her face, bit down.
It weighed 100-something pounds easily, clammed its jaws in her upper lip and stayed there for nearly a minute.
Yeah, there was she was too startled to scream, but when she finally got the dog to release its grip, she saw something fly, fly on the wall, and fall on the floor.
It didn't really hit me that it was my lip.
I couldn't process that.
She didn't realize the true extent of the damage for several minutes.
When she opened her phone, selfie camera inspect what she thought might be a deep cut.
She found everything from the nose down was completely ripped off.
Holy crap.
jason ellis
Yeah, the photos are crazy.
tate brown
That's what they're bred to do.
They're not like, and if you want a dog for bread to eat your face, they're bred to kill.
Like, they were designed to fight other dogs.
So they're just bred for violence.
tim pool
Check it out.
This is what she looks like now.
Wait, it's not going to let me look at it.
But you can see right there.
I don't know if I can zoom in or whatever.
ian crossland
What a story.
tim pool
So you can see she's still got like, it's all right.
You know, like, they did good work to get that back to normal.
jason ellis
It's noticeable, but it's still, she's just such a good-spirited person that, yeah.
tim pool
Yo, that's crazy, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So what are we saying?
We're saying pit bulls shouldn't be allowed selectively bred out of existence.
richie jackson
You're saying she didn't speak ill of the dog at all.
She was just like, it's a thing that happened.
tim pool
Bro, dude, there's a story of some lady who was feeding.
She was like feeding her neighbors pit bulls or her friends' pit bulls.
And her friend was like kicking a few of my dogs.
She's like, Sharon, she went over and she had things of food and she went outside and the dog just mauled her to death.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They just jumped on her and just ripped her to shreds and killed her.
And I was like, why would they do that?
No idea.
tate brown
There's so many dogs that have a propensity for violence that can be defense.
tim pool
I got to tell you, I had a moment.
We were in Martinsburg and some people had a pit bull off the leash running around.
And I was like, quickest way to get me to draw is like that pit bull was running up to me and my wife.
And I'm like, bro, I'm not letting a pit bull run up to me for any reason.
tate brown
This bad.
tim pool
Because the problem is, I'm not saying that somebody owns a pit bull and got in their backyard or whatever.
I got no business.
That's fine, just as long as it's controlled.
But the dog might be running up to me because it feels like I'm threatening their family.
And that's a triggering reason to make that pit bull go nuts.
And then I got to worry about my family.
So keep your pit bulls on a leash, bro.
ian crossland
How did you handle that one?
tim pool
I just took a defensive posture and stood still.
And then the dog came up, sniffed.
I went to my car and then it ran off.
And I was like.
jason ellis
Because most times they don't have any bad intentions.
That's why it's violent.
tim pool
Not pit bulls, though.
richie jackson
But I've heard that they get addicted to them.
jason ellis
I don't think so.
tate brown
They're genetically.
jason ellis
I think that if a pit bull, a lot of people that have pit bulls, because I've been to the pound, there's a lot of pit bulls in the pound because people want to be tough.
They want to have a cool dog take a photo, look how tough I am on Instagram, and then they don't know how to take care of it because they're idiots.
And then that dog has mental issues.
It's been treated poorly.
It's been neglected.
And it is a monster.
It has built-in steroids.
It's a jacked beast.
But if it's the same as, look, I had a chihuahua.
If you poked that chihuahua, he would bite you because he came from the streets.
He got left on the streets and I rescued him.
It's just, he's like five pounds and he's not 100 pounds.
The same rules apply.
If you treat a dog poorly, if you treat a human poorly, it will be a dangerous person when it's older.
It's the same rules apply with the dog.
It's just this particular breed, if it does go rogue, it's going to kill somebody.
tim pool
So here are the stats.
Pit bull attribution through claims, 60 to 60, 68% of fatal and serious injuries.
DNA verified, 25 to 30% are genetically verified pit bull bites.
And pit bulls are 6% of the dog population.
ian crossland
She said people claim 60 to 65% of claims are that this is from a pit bull and 30% is verified by geneticism.
tim pool
It's about 60 to 68, I think was the number.
60 to 68 percent of reported serious or fatal bites are pit bulls.
Wow.
jason ellis
Of those bites.
Those dogs are those kind of people.
tate brown
Yes.
jason ellis
You know, like you want to, it's an image.
A lot of people get these dogs because they think they're a badass.
Look at my badass dog.
And they're not friendly to animals.
They're not like pet-friendly people.
Most people, a lot of people get pets and don't take care of them or throw them away.
Like that's why the pound is packed because people think they want a dog, but they're not prepared to actually take care of the dog.
Same rules apply with children today.
So the terrible.
tim pool
The breed was created for bull baiting.
jason ellis
Bullbaiting?
tim pool
Bull baiting.
Between the 1500s and 1800s, pit bulls were bred for the bloody sport of bull baiting, where dogs attacked bulls for entertainment.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
It was banned in 1835.
After that, they were used for dog fighting.
After that, they became work and companionship general pets.
unidentified
Where did they get first created, does it say?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Weird England?
Like a crossbreed of a developed pit bull.
tim pool
I mean, England, Ireland, and Scotland in the early 1990s.
tate brown
You have to think, like, that's the origin is with the pit bull.
It's designed to kill bulls.
And like a golden retriever, it's designed to retrieve a foul without crushing its, like, you could put an egg in a golden retriever.
ian crossland
Oh, that's why they're so gentle.
Yeah, they're big.
tate brown
So it's like, if you, if you had a golden retriever and you mistreated it or treated it poorly, it would probably still turn out to be a fairly decent dog.
And if you had a pit bull and you mistreated it or whatever, it's going to kill you.
I asked Jeb.
tim pool
Do pit bulls kill more?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Pit bulls are involved in more fatal attacks than any other breed.
ian crossland
It's just not a coincidence.
It's not purely environmental.
It does have to do with genetics that are passed down from the parents.
That's how humans are too.
It's a touchy conversation, but that's just the way animals are built.
tim pool
So to your point, the argument they make is you are correct in that for a lot of these attacks, it's people who have abused the dogs.
The dogs are poorly socialized.
However, in that capacity, the dogs were specifically bred to have high strength and powerful jaws.
So if you get a poodle that's screwed up and a piglet screwed up, the poodle, no one cares.
jason ellis
It's like I said with the chihuahua.
tim pool
Right.
Nobody cares that chihuahuas are nasty.
jason ellis
Yeah, like my chihuahua that I had for a very long time.
I wouldn't let a kid go near him.
unidentified
Yeah.
jason ellis
Because he didn't trust kids.
And his reaction to being scared was he would attack.
It was just, he had like three teeth left in his head by the time he was done.
So he didn't do that much damage, but he had bad intentions.
richie jackson
It's probably true of all animals.
Like they say, what is it?
100% of human fatalities by killer whales were in captivity, right?
Nobody's ever been killed in the wild by a killer whale.
That's the exact same thing.
jason ellis
And same with horses, dude.
Like you treat a horse poorly, and then you just, some new person shows up and starts walking around the back of it.
It's probably a bad idea.
tim pool
That was the first lesson I got when I went to my friend's stable.
She was like, I'm introducing my horses.
Don't be a dick.
They'll kill you.
And I was like, wow.
richie jackson
One kick.
tim pool
Well, that's a horrible horse.
jason ellis
Like, I'm my best friend is a horse, but he is also 1,200 pounds.
Like, if he wanted to, he could do stuff to anybody.
tim pool
You know, they're like, hey, look, man, you give me the oats.
ian crossland
Well, you're riding the horse.
I've heard that.
Does your heartbeat synchronize with their heartbeat?
jason ellis
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
jason ellis
I can talk to my horse without saying words that he can hear me through my thoughts.
ian crossland
Oh, awesome.
jason ellis
You can laugh at that if you want, because I was like, that's a lie.
And then I kept trying it.
And every now and then I would say, come over here when he'd walk on the other side of the barn and he'd come over.
And I'm like, that was just a coincidence.
And I do it all the time.
And it keeps happening.
tate brown
Wow.
unidentified
And I'm like, it's like avatar in that movie.
jason ellis
Horses are.
Horses changed my mind about the way I treat people.
Because horses don't talk, but you get a feeling if this person's a good person or a bad person.
And that's how horses judge everything.
Like the way you're, what you're thinking, what your mood is, they know.
They'll know if you've got bad intentions, you're in a bad mood.
If you're really sad, horses will comfort you if you're in a time of stress or a time of need.
They will know it.
tim pool
I've heard that.
And you got to consider that they're big and they got big brains.
jason ellis
Yeah, and big hearts.
tim pool
Yeah.
And they can tell.
They can see you.
They can see your expressions.
They can see how you sound.
There's one funny story.
This is a really, really common story.
But it was, I can't remember who posted this.
It's somebody I follow on X said they were having a hard time mounting their horse.
And so finally the horse just made a sound of annoyance and then kneeled down.
jason ellis
Wow.
tim pool
Like the horse was like, oh my God, you suck.
And then they're like, get on.
jason ellis
I've seen a video of the horse that he puts his foot up for the little girl, like a nine-year-old, puts his foot up and then pushes her up to get on his back.
tim pool
You know, I got to be honest.
Like, imagine there were these little fuzzy dudes, like raccoons or something, that just ran around and were harmless.
And they run up to you and like pull on your pants and then climb up on your back and just ride around on you.
Humans would be totally done with it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You'd be like, this is hilarious.
ian crossland
If monkeys didn't steal your shit, I'd be down.
jason ellis
But if that little raccoon was kind of an asshole and you didn't like him, you'd kick him off.
ian crossland
You would.
I was going to say deer.
That's funny.
Are horses the largest domesticated land mammal?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Off the top of my head, what else is bigger?
No, well, domestic.
Domesticated.
Yeah, I guess we domesticated bulls.
jason ellis
They're domesticated?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
But horses are huge.
jason ellis
Are they?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
You say they don't exist in the wild.
tim pool
Like, what is, let me ask you, what is the proper name of the animal?
jason ellis
For what?
What do you mean?
richie jackson
Esquex.
jason ellis
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, like the scientific name.
tim pool
No, no, it's just like, so I can point to a chicken and call it a chicken.
jason ellis
Yeah.
tim pool
A bull or a cow.
What are they?
jason ellis
I don't know.
ian crossland
They're all.
tim pool
Some might say cattle, perhaps.
jason ellis
Okay.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
But cattle refers to the group, you know?
So, yeah, bovine, perhaps.
The point is, colloquially in English, we don't call them by their animal name.
We call them just bulls or cows.
Yeah, it's weird.
jason ellis
I think horses have been with us for so long.
That's another thing.
tate brown
Yeah, it's so sad.
jason ellis
We've always been connected to horses.
tim pool
Ungulates.
Ungulate just means like hoofed mammal.
tate brown
I wonder.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
ian crossland
Did we like breed them to be what they are today?
These are just questions that can't be answered.
tate brown
Well, it's just sad that we call dogs our best friends, but like horses went to war with us.
tim pool
Nah, dogs are better.
ian crossland
I'm wondering because people don't have access to the horses as much as you can.
tim pool
Oh, you guys know the dog story, right?
ian crossland
Which one?
tim pool
How dogs got domesticated?
It's one of my favorite little bit.
One of my favorite kindergarten factoids.
So there's something called flight time, and that is the distance between an animal, a human can get to an animal.
So the flight time just means 10 meters, 15 meters.
And so for pigeons, for instance, the flight time right now for a pigeon is literally like one foot.
You could walk up to a pigeon and it won't move.
You could even swing your foot at it and it'll just hop in a walk.
They don't care about you because humans leave them alone.
So you go back 40,000 years or whatever, and there are wolves and they're humans.
The wolf wolves that had a lower flight time to humans and were less aggressive were more likely to survive because the humans would leave behind bones and refuse.
jason ellis
They worked together.
tim pool
Well, so at first, the wolves would just come and scavenge the camp after the humans left.
If the humans tolerated the wolves, the humans were more likely to survive because the wolves would piss all around the camp and bears and other predators would stay away.
You do that for 10,000 years and eventually they were proto-dogs, they called them, walking through the human camps.
So long as they weren't aggressive towards humans, humans didn't care.
I was thinking how they let the best part is at some point, the humans noticed that the wolf pack, the proto-dogs, started sniffing and running off and they said, let's follow them.
And then they found them tracking elk or something.
And so then they threw spears at it, killed it.
Everybody got to eat.
And this created the evolutionary pressure where dogs and humans were naturally selected together to survive.
Now, here's the best part.
How did cats get domesticated?
jason ellis
Yeah, I know about this.
tim pool
They're an invasive species we tolerate.
jason ellis
Right, but they started to hang out in, like, was it in Native Americans?
richie jackson
I think kill the rodents, you fools.
tim pool
that's incorrect.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Well, terriers were bred to kill rodents.
Cats, we just tolerate because we find them to be funny.
richie jackson
But he says a lot of crazy stuff.
tim pool
This is why.
Sorry, just this is why.
My dad told me, he's a firefighter.
He says, do you know what happens if there's a fire and the family has a dog?
They'll find the dog scratching its paws bloody trying to break the door down to save the family.
Do you know what happens with the cat when there's the fire?
jason ellis
He gets out of there.
tim pool
We haven't figured it out because we never find the kit.
jason ellis
Because he has the capability.
tim pool
The cats.
Here's the best.
jason ellis
Others don't have the capability.
tim pool
Do you know what happens when someone who owns a dog dies of old age or natural causes in their home?
jason ellis
They eat it.
richie jackson
We all know that.
tim pool
The dog will dodge.
jason ellis
Dogs have eaten people that have died as well.
I'm only going to say cats eat.
tim pool
Typically, the dogs are found dead of dehydration next to their owner.
Cats just eat the body.
jason ellis
Nothing personal, man.
Survival.
I was thinking about how I'd eat you too if I was allowed.
ian crossland
How the dogs carry sticks and they love carrying sticks.
And that at some point in the past, we must have, we must have either they watched us collect firewood.
That's basically what they're collecting firewood is what I think that comes from.
And we picked the ones that love to go get the firewood for us so much.
Maybe they watched us like mimicking us, bringing the sticks back.
And the ones that really loved the sticks, we would breed more of.
richie jackson
Never made the firewood connection.
ian crossland
Yesterday, I thought of it.
I watched a video of dogs carrying sticks.
I'm like, oh, yeah, I drag sticks out of the woods.
jason ellis
That's the thing you came up with.
ian crossland
I just thought of it yesterday.
tim pool
You know what?
I think you're wrong.
I think I've seen those videos where the dog carries the beer to the guy.
And beer is what created civilization.
So I think it was actually a beer.
They were like, what do we need dogs for?
Watch this.
Hey, beer.
And the dog gets it and they're like, yo.
richie jackson
Before we move on, I do just want to say, like, you made the claim that horses can't talk.
But I think back in the day, they used to, right?
jason ellis
Because I mean, speak.
richie jackson
Well, there was this black language.
No, there was this black and white show.
I remember it.
jason ellis
Mr. Ed?
richie jackson
Yeah.
jason ellis
You didn't need to go there.
We could have just moved on to the next subject.
richie jackson
Let's move on.
tim pool
Wilbur.
Let's tell me the story of the New York Times.
Yo, this is a crazy story.
Jury says Tesla was partly to blame for fatal crash.
Lawyers for the family of a woman struck and killed by a Tesla sedan in 2019 argued the company's autopilot software should have avoided the crash.
A Florida jury on Friday found that flaws in Tesla's self-driving software were partly to blame for a crash that killed a 22-year-old woman in 2019 and severely injured her boyfriend.
The jury verdict, if upheld on appeal, would require Tesla to pay as much as $243 million in punitive and compensatory damages to the parents of the woman and to her boyfriend.
The jury found that Tesla bore 33% responsibility for the crash and blamed the driver, George Brian McGee, for the remainder.
Mr. McGee had previously settled with the family for an undisclosed sum.
Tesla said would appeal.
This is crazy.
Tesla said it expected the damages to be reduced on appeal.
This decision has come just after Tesla began limited testing of autonomous taxis.
I'm going to tell you this.
In urban environments, I am very, very confident in my Tesla.
But in Charlestown, the most annoying thing is there's a big old no turn on red sign.
I got to be honest.
Actually, you know what?
My opinion is changing.
I remember it was not even that long ago.
Me and me and Phil were talking about how much we really trusted the autopilot, and it's great.
You can turn it on and you go.
But I got to tell you, recently, on the backcountry roads, it drives in the middle of the road because it's scared of the trees and everything the sensors are detecting.
It's fine.
So you're going up a hill and it tries to go on the other lane and I'm like, I will die.
So I have to jerk the steering wheel back.
But in Charlestown, there are two things it always does.
Big old no turn on red sign.
It keeps trying to turn.
I got to stop it.
And then ask a thing pops up, like, what's wrong?
And I'm like, bro, you can't turn on red here.
See the sign.
The other thing is on Main Street, there's a left turn lane.
It's trying to go straight.
It always goes in the turn lane.
And I'm like, we're going to get hit by someone on the right if you go straight from here.
So it doesn't understand this.
I don't know how they think they're going to get away with running this auto taxi thing based on the problems I've already had.
richie jackson
I don't know how Mr. McGee thought he was going to get away with it.
He's told me several times he doesn't like my kind because I was a bit too leisurely.
tim pool
I'm going to tell you guys.
You know what people were doing for a long time with these Teslas, especially back in like 2019?
The way auto drive worked is you had to have weight on the steering wheel.
It required you to keep your hands on the steering wheel.
And if it didn't, if there was no weight detected, it would turn off.
So people would put, they would buy these weights.
You could clip onto the steering wheel.
And it gets better.
So Tesla changed it.
So there's a camera watching you as you drive now with all Teslas.
Creepy.
And it watches your eyes.
And if you look down, it starts flashing.
So people bought glasses with fake eyes on them, like Homer Simpson.
jason ellis
Dude, what are you doing?
tim pool
And you just blowing.
Yeah, dude.
jason ellis
Just drive.
Man, that is so, like, you just think you're so lucky, don't you?
Like, let me figure out a way to just do my best to let the robot drive the car down the road.
Like, just, how about just drive?
I think it's because I'm old school.
I think I can tell like in the end, it's going to be this thing where we all get in cars or drones and get, you know, we just look at our phone while we're going to one place to the other.
And if you want to use a real car, it's the same as horses.
Like horses used to take us everywhere.
Now we go to special places to use horses.
So I think in the future, because I have a stick.
Like I have, I shift gears.
I have a clutch.
Like that's how old school I am.
I hate battery cars.
I like burnouts.
I have to burn tires.
tim pool
That's all my life.
I got to tell you, man, I'm ready to go just off the grid because my TV, I was just telling the story yesterday about how back in the day, and you remember this, you'd pull the little knob out on your TV to turn it on, and it was just instantly on channel three or whatever you needed to be on.
You're like, I watched channel 32 in Chicago.
You click the button, it's on.
Now I turn the TV on.
It takes me five minutes because it's got to boot up.
It asked me five times to update.
Here's my point.
I don't need autopilot if you got a horse.
You know why?
Because horses know where home is.
richie jackson
Yeah.
tim pool
So this is actually a true story.
jason ellis
They didn't run into trees.
tim pool
Back in the day, if the guy who owned the horse was sick or drunk or was passing out, the horse would run home.
jason ellis
Yeah.
tim pool
And it knew how to bring you home.
You didn't need to press a button or click anything.
It's just the horse.
Now we get these cars and I got to do the work.
You stepped backwards.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Because you can't let it drive you when you're drunk.
Is it still?
tim pool
Oh, you can't.
ian crossland
It's a funny question.
Because you're supposed to be partly driving it, I guess.
That makes sense.
If you're a passenger, though, you're allowed to be a drunk passenger in a car.
tim pool
You are.
So I'm sure someone out there has bought a mannequin and sat in the city.
ian crossland
I mentioned this before the show, too.
I just feel like we're in the age of exploration, experimentation with these.
It's going to be a lot of deaths.
A lot of people getting veered off the road because kids run into the street or a basketball falls in or the camera malfunctions.
And it's like, we are the testing grounds right now.
jason ellis
You are the test.
It's lazy.
It's the same thing with people.
I'm trained.
I'm ready to protect somebody.
I'm also ready to protect myself.
You're just sitting back letting everybody else take care of it.
I ain't going out like that.
You know what I mean?
Like, a vending machine is never going to kill me, dude.
Apparently, they kill more people than sharks.
But it ain't going to kill me.
Guess what?
Also, sharks are not going to kill me, dude.
I'll see it.
I'm going down there.
I'm going to poke it in the gills.
I'm going to put up a fire.
I'm not just going to panic and swim away and give you my feet.
ian crossland
Apparently, their nose is like electromagnetically sensitive and you get jackets.
jason ellis
I thought about it, dude.
tim pool
Fact check, correct.
Yes.
Vending machines kill more humans and sharks.
ian crossland
I'm falling on them, I assume.
jason ellis
Yeah, I know.
That's what I thought when I heard that.
I heard this a long time ago, and I was like, hell.
But then I thought, you go, you try to bang it and tip it to get stuff out, and then it falls on you.
You're such a dumbass friend.
Why would you do that, man?
unidentified
But like driving, like if you drive a car, drive the car.
tim pool
You know, so here's another thing, too.
Have you guys seen the automatic McDonald's?
unidentified
No.
jason ellis
Yeah, because they got an automatic Taco Bell now on Melrose next to my boxing gym.
tim pool
But like fully automated?
Yeah.
jason ellis
It's like an ATM.
tim pool
It's like a little corner place where it's like an arm scoops the meat and everything.
jason ellis
You just press the button and it comes out the slot.
tim pool
Oh, so I'm not talking about it.
jason ellis
I haven't got in there because I don't eat.
tim pool
So crap.
In Chicago, I found a vending machine that had White Castle in it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And it would cook the burgers and then open it and slide out like two fresh White Castle burgers.
And they're delicious.
unidentified
Fresh, huh?
tim pool
And fresh.
Well, actually, they were from that day.
At like noon, someone came in and put them all in.
And then by eight, they throw them all out or something like that.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
There's also a pizza vending machine.
I can't remember where it is.
Have you seen this?
tate brown
We had one at my university and it lit on fire.
tim pool
I'm not talking about the vending machine.
Check it out.
There's a McDonald's where you order by kiosk and then two big arms come down and then it like grabs the burger and then like puts it on the on the thing.
How long until we get a lawsuit where someone goes to a restaurant and orders food and as like the scooper is coming to like get the get the mayonnaise, it like accidentally swipes peanut butter and then puts it on the burger without noticing and then the person bites it and goes, oh, the peanut allergy thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jason ellis
The leader.
ian crossland
The issues with the legality is like in a car accident, it's always on the driver.
So now it's on the company that owns the machines.
And it would be the same with the McDonald's.
It would be on the employee that poisoned the food, not the corporation.
But now it's going to be liabilities on the corporation.
Dude, yesterday I started thinking, we're going to see our first AI corporation now.
It's about to happen.
tim pool
It probably already did.
ian crossland
AI runs the corporation.
People will invest in it and it'll use that money to pay people to do tasks.
And it's going to be real fast, one of the biggest corporations on earth.
tim pool
Oh, that's a good idea.
I'm going to make that right.
ian crossland
We need to develop corporate governance structure legitimately with Elon on X because that's what he wants to do.
tim pool
I'm going to tell you something.
Right now, it is theoretically possible with any one of these LLM APIs to write a script or probably not a script, but a program that will continually prompt the LLM to give it tasks to file paperwork online.
You should very easily be able to create a program that starts a business.
ian crossland
And then who owns it?
I was like, because whoever built the AI can't own that corporation, it's AI-run, AI-owned.
It would be community.
It would all be stock that would just people would.
tim pool
Somebody has to file.
richie jackson
Ronald McDonald.
Maybe a government McDonald's.
unidentified
What's it?
richie jackson
Ronald McDonald.
ian crossland
We'll file it in the guys.
Michael Malice would be very happy that you speaking of clowns.
tim pool
Real quick, I was going to say, you mentioned a clown.
unidentified
I came across toy.
jason ellis
You pointed at me for because I saw the video.
You pointed at me.
richie jackson
He cupping up.
jason ellis
I was going to stack it yourself, Mustache.
richie jackson
I saw a video of you mercilessly beating one.
jason ellis
Beating a clown?
richie jackson
Yes.
tim pool
Did you?
richie jackson
Simon Woodstock.
jason ellis
Oh, he challenged me into a fight.
richie jackson
Okay, cool.
That's where I was going.
You messed that up.
I was not pointing at you calling you a clown.
tim pool
Oh, I thought that's where I was going.
I was like, oh, I better intervene here.
richie jackson
I really trapped myself.
tim pool
No, I was just going to say that when my wife was pregnant, I was constantly reminding her to eat peanut butter.
ian crossland
Is it really good for pregnant people?
tim pool
No, it's because I don't want my baby to be allergic to peanuts.
And then, you know, because they say one of the things is it might be that a mother didn't have any exposure to peanuts or something like that.
jason ellis
Oh, wow.
tim pool
We don't know for sure.
But then when she was born, I was like, we should make sure we do allergy tests because you don't want to find out without like finding out the hard way is not good.
But the good news is she is not at all.
ian crossland
Oh, I love peanuts.
tim pool
Peanut butter is like the most.
You know what the worst thing in the world is?
The steakhouse at the Casino Charlestown got rid of their peanut butter and jelly Brussels sprouts.
unidentified
I like those.
ian crossland
Those were good.
tate brown
It was Sonic for a while with the peanut butter cheeseburger.
tim pool
That was interesting.
I was thinking this is the time to protest.
We're going to do it.
We're going to get everybody we can to stand out in front of that steakhouse and demand they bring back the peanut butter and jelly brush.
ian crossland
Maybe they can raise the price by 20% and add a really good peanut butter.
The best.
tim pool
You have this look on your face, bro, but I'm telling you, peanut butter and jelly Brussels sprouts.
jason ellis
You're analyzing my face about that.
tim pool
Yeah, you look like you don't believe me.
jason ellis
I do believe you.
I'm just contemplating whether I like it or not.
I don't really.
Brussels sprouts are not my favorite thing.
tim pool
Fried in butter?
jason ellis
Yeah.
But you know what's better?
Just fry the butter and put peanut butter and jelly on it.
Why you got to bring Brussels sprouts into this?
Like, that's the only reason they taste good is because of everything else that's on it.
tim pool
That's true.
tate brown
It's long.
tim pool
Now I don't want to eat them.
They put bacon on them and I'm like, give me the bacon.
jason ellis
Yeah, that's pretty good.
tim pool
Yeah, to be fair, it's like it's a mass that you can chew on as you taste it.
ian crossland
It's really like a minty almost like hops, like hops.
You eat them raw off the vine.
They're like hops.
jason ellis
Wait, you eat Brussels sprouts?
ian crossland
Yeah, I used to buy them, like a big thing of them, and there's all these balls, and you just, it sits there for a week, and you just pull one off and chew on it.
tim pool
He's weird.
jason ellis
Yeah, it's like kind of touching this.
ian crossland
Like cabbage, kind of.
jason ellis
Also, ew.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's just healthy.
I just medicine.
I treat it like medicine.
jason ellis
Okay, well, I agree to that because I definitely eat things where I'm just doing it to survive.
I don't eat it because it tastes good.
But the more you get into that, the more you don't need ridiculous food, you know?
Like when you get, I'm older, man.
Like when it's like when you're 20 and you drink and you're 50 and you drink, this hangover is like a level where you're like, holy cow, man.
I don't know if I'm going to make it through the day.
Now it's the same with food.
Like if I ate Taco Bell, I don't know if I can do like anything for the rest of the day.
richie jackson
It does take you out.
jason ellis
You guys eat terribly.
ian crossland
I'm all health food.
In your early life, you just fuck it balls to the wall, rock, start a lifestyle.
And then at what point, or I'm assuming that's what you did with food and drugs and/or you're not.
jason ellis
I mean, I baby-stepped it, you know, like hard drugs.
I quit when my first daughter was born, and then I drank and smoked weed constantly.
And I slow, you know, I try to stop a bunch of times.
richie jackson
Tell me about kratom, yeah, dude.
jason ellis
That's the worst thing.
richie jackson
I tried it, and nothing happened.
Literally nothing.
So I want to know, like, what's it actually like?
jason ellis
Well, there's two different kinds.
So, just because I know this triggers people, because I've talked about it a lot, and people get mad because they think I'm trying to take kratom away from them, but I'm not.
It's the same as drinking.
You can drink your life away.
You can also drink kratom and drink your life away.
There's a responsible way to do it.
Also, there's kratom and then there's synthetic kratom, which is now apparently stronger than oxies.
richie jackson
Ah, I see.
jason ellis
And you can get those at a gas station.
Your kids can get that.
People can get that and not realize what they've just got themselves into.
That's the thing that I'm speaking about.
I just think that when people, when I bring up kratom, a lot of people go, what is that?
And I go, right, that's dangerous.
Because if you're at a gas station, you're at a smoke shop and they're like, hey, man, try this.
It's pretty cool.
It relaxes you a little bit.
That's how I got into it.
I got off it.
I got sponsored by it.
They said it was a great after-workout drink.
And I was like, yeah, if you're a bit sore after training hard, it does make you feel kind of relaxed.
So does heroin.
And when I got off it, because I got really into it, I started doing like seven, eight shots a day.
And I was like, I feel like I'm hungover in the morning.
So I would have one, sorry, at night.
So I would have one in the morning.
And I was like, it's getting out of control.
I think I'm addicted to it.
And when I try to stop, that's what I realized because I've been to rehab a couple of times for certain drugs.
When I got to this one, it was the hardest one that I had to kick.
I go to Airbnb for four days and I was shaking back and forth by myself.
Didn't eat, didn't sleep.
And in the end, on the fourth day, I started to have like a little bit of a seizure of sorts.
unidentified
Wow.
jason ellis
And my manager was about to call an ambulance.
And I had sweatpants on and I was sweating and cold and my hands were locking up.
I couldn't open my hands off my chest.
So I hit my head on the ground to concuss myself to get my hands to unlock.
And then I smoked weed the last time.
It relaxed me enough to get past that day.
And then the next day, I was like, you know what?
That was so embarrassing because I was 50 when this happened that I was like, that's it.
I'm done with everything.
That's when I quit everything.
And I'm good at meetings.
I'm in the program.
tim pool
I'm reading about it now.
It causes withdrawal symptoms similar to mild opioids.
jason ellis
It's an opioid, it blocks your opioid receptors or whatever it is.
But there's an H7 or something, I believe it's called, that is way stronger.
And they don't say which one is which on the bottle.
So like you can get it and you might get the one where you're, I mean, dude, you know, like you start abusing painkillers.
I feel like most of us know when we're doing that.
If you get this thing at the store where you think you're like, it's like an herbal, it's like taking a little gummy.
It's not.
And I, that's my war on that particular drug.
I just want people to know that watch it.
Like, don't just think that that's like some little thing you get loose on and everything's going to be fine in the morning.
You could end up like, I go to meetings.
People have lost their lives to this stuff.
People have like, so they're still alive.
People, you can die from it also, but people just have become so addicted to it that they lose a job.
They lose their careers.
They lose their wife.
They lose their kids.
Like, I know thousands of people because I talk about it.
I get messages every day about it, about how many people have lost this and lost that.
It's a real epidemic.
And I don't think that many people talk about it because I've noticed when you do, people get mad at me.
And I'm like, I'm just trying to help, man.
I'm not like you're an idiot or anything.
I'm just like, if you don't know, I want people to.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think people want this mild because if it's in the right dose, like you said, it gives a mild sedative for them.
They don't want that to get made illegal.
jason ellis
Get off pain addiction or you've got like a real, like a serious back pain or something and you don't want to take real opioids.
You can take this or help with sleep or focus.
You can do like some tablespoons of the powder and it can help with stuff.
But if you start abusing it, it's the same as anything, but I don't think people really talk about it.
richie jackson
It was definitely presented to me as this hip harmless thing, which is why I do it.
jason ellis
That's the general consensus.
It's just this hip harmless thing.
tim pool
It's mostly unregulated in the United States.
jason ellis
Yeah, which is why it's so good.
tim pool
It's illegal in Wisconsin, Illinois.
I don't know my southern states.
Which states are those?
tate brown
Alabama.
tim pool
Alabama and Arkansas.
jason ellis
I saw a video, RFK, trying to ban the synthetic one.
ian crossland
Okay, that I'm okay with that road.
It's the natural stuff I want to leave untouched at the moment.
I have no interest in making a new one.
jason ellis
Look, I don't want to ban alcohol.
Do I think alcohol is good for you?
No.
As soon as you want to have a beer, have a beer, man.
Like some people, I have an addictive personality.
If I get into anything, I'm going to abuse it.
Dude, I got one tattoo.
Look at me.
ian crossland
How many tattoos did you get?
How many times?
tim pool
I don't know.
jason ellis
I lost count, dude.
tim pool
Real quick.
Alabama, Arkansas, Indiana, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wisconsin, and Louisiana.
Oh, why did I sell Illinois?
I'm an idiot.
Indiana.
Yeah, so there's actually a couple other stuff.
ian crossland
I think I've had, I've had kratom tea like in Miami.
I think they served it at a restaurant.
And I was like, okay.
jason ellis
If it's a tea, it sounds like there's a good chance that's actual kratom.
ian crossland
It numbed my mouth.
It was a good thing.
jason ellis
There's like two pills I read about recently where there's a pill that they're saying that it's stronger than an oxy.
unidentified
I think that you can get that at the smoke shop.
tim pool
You know, there's one drug that I do and it's caffeine.
It's because I drink a coffee once a day.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's psychoactive and not hallucinating.
tim pool
I don't like any of that weird stuff.
It's not barely like eating most foods at this point.
I'm old.
jason ellis
That's how I am.
tim pool
Dude, I'm 19 years old and I would do you take a bag of Fritos at 7-Eleven and then you pump the chili and the cheese into it, shake it up.
ian crossland
I would just eat the cheese off the Cheetos.
I just want powders of that cheese.
unidentified
I just scooped.
ian crossland
I said Fritos.
tim pool
It's called Frito Pie.
They get them at carnivals.
ian crossland
It's like that orange cheese on the Cheetos house.
jason ellis
Each to their own, man.
Look, I think because I eat so clean, when I do eat bad, it's fun.
You know, like I had pizza with you guys today, and I was like, oh, I don't usually do that.
ian crossland
It's that sugar, that refined sucrose.
jason ellis
I posted that it's the most insidious drug because it's not that people go a little too hard on the sugar.
ian crossland
You might be right.
jason ellis
It isn't good for you for sure, but it's like, I see people saying it's worse than cocaine.
I'm like, no, dude.
Okay, it's worse.
Trust me.
ian crossland
Cocaine's more acute, but sugar is chronic in its addictiveness.
jason ellis
And it's people that sit around doing nothing and having sugar every night, that's like it multiplies it.
If you work out all the time, you skate or you lift weights or you train in the gym.
You can eat a cake and wake up.
Nothing happened.
Your body burns it off.
It's just most of us are working all the time, driving all the time.
We don't have time to do crazy exercise and sweat out a t-shirt.
It's a rare person these days that does a certain activity where their t-shirt is drenched from whatever it is.
Like I do that.
And if I, and now at 53, if I do that and I don't eat right and I don't stretch and I don't ice myself, I can't walk the next day.
ian crossland
You soak in the tub?
jason ellis
I have an ice plunge.
ian crossland
How is it?
We have a hit.
Oh, really?
jason ellis
One thing to do it for a TikTok video.
Doing it every day or a couple of times a week.
I hate it.
I hate it.
tim pool
Have you ever done like We Get NAD done?
You've gotten stem cells before?
jason ellis
Twice.
I've been to BioXL in Columbia.
I've had it twice.
I'll get a half knee reconstruction.
tim pool
It works.
jason ellis
I've broken over 50, 60 bones.
I've been knocked out 35 times.
I got dead man's ligaments.
I've torn.
I've got two ligaments left.
Both my MCLs are gone.
I have PCLs left.
tim pool
They can regrow that, can't they?
jason ellis
It's not exactly like that.
Stem cells doesn't regrow.
It reduces a lot of inflammation and it can regrow some stuff.
But if you snap off your MCL like I did, you can't, I had to get a dead man's MCL put in and then I got stem cells on top of it and it tightened it and grew more stuff around it so it was more supportive.
tim pool
Wow.
jason ellis
I used to be one of those guys when my shin would rattle in my knee.
I would do it at parties and people would go, oh, that's gross.
richie jackson
You got the cadaver in there?
jason ellis
Yeah.
Do you know how and Kevlar?
richie jackson
Did they tell you how the guy died?
jason ellis
No.
richie jackson
Why not?
jason ellis
I don't know because I didn't ask.
richie jackson
You wouldn't want to know.
I would want to know.
ian crossland
You know, they can use graphene as a tether.
tim pool
Oh, here we go.
ian crossland
Yeah.
They did it with mice.
They severed a mouse's spine and then they ran a graphene tether through the severation point and then injected step, I believe it was stem cells, or they just allowed it to regrow itself.
I don't even think they used stem cells in that instance.
tim pool
This guy talks about it.
ian crossland
So rather than putting like a dead man's ligament in, you might be able to, in the future, maybe they can use like a substrate to guide the regrowth of the ligament, but I don't know.
Just the thought of that.
jason ellis
What did you just say?
ian crossland
There's the material that they use to regrow body parts.
You can never regrow these.
tim pool
So this dude has been obsessed his whole life since he learned about something called graphene.
Graphene is a, it's, what is it?
It's a carbon.
ian crossland
It's hexagonally.
tim pool
It's a hexagonally lattice single layer atomic of carbon.
And they say it's got these amazing, they're putting it in batteries now so the batteries charge faster.
All I know is this guy wouldn't shut up about it.
So I bought stock in a company and I made 100 grand.
jason ellis
Because it's working now.
tim pool
No, just because like he wouldn't shut up about it.
I was like, okay, I'm going to find a company that makes this.
And so I bought a bunch of shares in it.
jason ellis
And it's been a few years and my stock is up like you're saying not right now, but in the future, I could put it in my leg and it will regrow tendons.
ian crossland
Possibly because it's pure carbon.
Your body would synthesize it.
It may be.
Yeah.
jason ellis
Possibly and maybe.
richie jackson
That sounds good.
ian crossland
This guy's a chemist about it.
tim pool
Busted into my studio room like Kramer and Seinfeld telling me, dude, you got to buy Palantir.
And it was at like, what was it, like 30 bucks or something?
ian crossland
Oh, it's like 13 at that point.
tim pool
$13.
And I was like, what are you talking about?
And he's like, Palantir, dude, you got to buy stock right now.
And I was like, dude, you're crazy, bro.
I'm working.
And he was like, okay.
And that's at $150.
ian crossland
Here's the thing about investing.
I was thinking yesterday.
Well, you guys were talking about that yesterday.
It's the ethics.
Because if you just, I'm not going to invest in the company because I don't agree with their ethics.
And then that's the company.
But you know, that's the company that's going to make money.
You lose it investing.
You can't make money on the stock market.
You have to.
Occasionally it'll align that your ethics align with the company if it's going to make the money, but often it's like, and then, but at the same time, Palantir is like American spy tech.
And there's more global spy tech, like Chinese spy tech that we're kind of going up against for the next world war.
It's going to be a spy tech war of perception.
So Palantir might be our best ally, you know, like the guys that built the Adam bomb.
I'm glad they were American.
So maybe we can make Palantir the best spy tech and actually preserve American Republicanism.
tim pool
I think the, you know, we're talking about these Tesla cars and all this other weird shit.
I think we're fucked.
I try not to swear.
It just comes out.
But we've been screwing out with AI music more and more and more.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And our buddy Andy, who works here, he didn't believe it.
He's like, no, AI is bad.
And then today he was like, dude, I started using it because Suno rolled out their latest update.
I'm telling you, man, I have these naysayers telling me like it'll never be human level music.
Nah, I guarantee you that even the songs we put up now, the average person is going to be like, I had no idea.
And I can tell you this because we've been playing some of the songs we've been working on.
What we've been doing is I'll write a song on my guitar, sing it into my phone, upload it, and it will finish the whole song in 10 seconds.
And then several of our guests come in and they're like, oh, who is this?
And I was like, I just made it right now.
And they're like, it's you.
And I was like, I literally just uploaded this into, it took me five minutes to do.
Like that.
And he's talking about AI corporations, automated fast food restaurants, humans, it's going to be like wall-y.
You know, we're going to be big and fat, floating around in chairs.
ian crossland
Well, maybe some, some people, but the one thing it'll do is reduce slave labor because the artificial intelligence will be able to craft factories that do all that remote labor.
A lot of that wrote labor for us.
So the competition with China is going to be like, fuck, they're slave labor.
We got AI building our stuff.
You will too.
And then it's about what you said yesterday, Tim.
jason ellis
I fully agree.
I love this.
ian crossland
We're going towards a creation economy where your thoughts and your willingness to propel those thoughts are going to make you famous and well-loved and goods receding.
Like, if you give the idea to the AI first, the AI is going to make sure you get compensated for it.
jason ellis
Tim, you think music could make music of today because music of today is weak?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
jason ellis
Because I don't feel like AI, this is going to sound old, but I don't think AI can match Bob Dylan.
tim pool
I disagree.
jason ellis
Like his first.
tim pool
There's a few.
jason ellis
I wonder if there were like that soul.
tim pool
I do understand the argument.
I just think that.
jason ellis
Like, can you do a Cardi B song?
Sure.
tim pool
It could do Dylan.
jason ellis
It's big words.
tim pool
I bet.
So here's the thing right now.
jason ellis
Are you a Dylan fan?
tim pool
50-50.
jason ellis
You don't really know his whole album.
tim pool
No.
jason ellis
His whole body of work.
unidentified
No.
jason ellis
I mean, there's some songs, dude, where his lyrics, I'm like, how'd you do that, dude?
tim pool
So right now.
He doesn't even know.
I will say this.
ian crossland
He says he doesn't even know.
He's like, I don't know how to do it.
jason ellis
Well, you know, I think I know the interview that you talked about.
You know who he said helped him with it.
unidentified
Who?
jason ellis
Satan.
ian crossland
Oh, hilarious.
jason ellis
I mean, he didn't, in so many words.
He's like, the dark.
He's like, it's gone now.
tim pool
Here's what I, what I say.
jason ellis
I'll pay for it later, he said.
tim pool
The AI stuff that we're seeing right now is it's a year old.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jason ellis
Fair.
Because you never know how much better it can get.
Right.
Right now, no, but in the future, it's only been a year of sure.
tim pool
One year ago, when we were using, there's Udio and Suno are the two like prominent music generation AIs.
And it was novel.
Like Richie walks down the stairs and I play a song and it's like, Richie Jackson skating down the street.
He's like, what?
It says, what's going on?
And we're like, it just took 10 seconds to do.
You just type in, make a song about Richie Jackson skateboarding and it did.
But the songs were never good.
It was a song.
It sounded produced.
They rolled out 4.5 and we are sitting here dumbfounded how psychotically good this music is.
ian crossland
You can insert your own songs, which is the big difference.
And it'll make, you'll insert just a rough cover of you playing acoustic guitar singing and then it'll create a full band artistry and it'll pump hundreds of them out for you.
You'll just keep hitting generate, generate, generate, change the prompt.
No, make it big ballroom orchestra.
Generate, generate, generate.
No, make it a country song.
Generate.
tim pool
I'll put it like this.
ian crossland
Full, awesome sound, but it's not consistent vocals.
jason ellis
It's kind of right.
ian crossland
The soul is missing.
jason ellis
You got battery cars that can take off quicker than engine cars, but they can't do burnouts.
They don't have the feel.
You know, it's like AI can do this stuff where it's like vinyl music.
Like, I don't know.
I'm not old enough to understand that people are like, dude, CD is vital is where it's at.
I'm like, really?
I can't, this one's been remastered.
It sounds really good.
No, dude, the whole thing about the vinyl.
I'm like, okay, I get your argument.
It's the same as like, I forgot what I was going to say, but there's like this core, like Pantera.
Like AI matches Pantera.
You can't do what Dimebag did.
You can't.
Even the thing that the mistakes that he did in it is the best part about it.
tim pool
That's true.
It can't have the errors that make it human.
jason ellis
Right.
tim pool
What I will say is I agree with you on, I got this, we got the smart TV out there.
We got this monitor up here in the studio.
People who are watching online never, they don't know that we have a gigantic TV so everyone can see that so people in the room can see our news stories.
I would much prefer if there was a dot a knob for volume that I could pull out to turn the TV on and it would just turn on.
We talk about how great technology is, but I'm going to say it again because I know everybody agrees with me.
You turned your TV on and it said, would you like to update?
And you put no.
And you've got to click four different updates every single time you want to open.
I know this because every TV we have does this.
When you turn the smart TVs on, it's like, would you like to update?
No.
Would you like to update your remote?
No.
Then you open the YouTube app.
Would you like to update the app?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Would you like to update your TV software?
unidentified
Stop.
tim pool
I will punch the TV.
My point is, everybody still bought the TVs.
So I think you're right largely that there's going to be a lot of that human element missing, but everyone's going to adopt it out of convenience.
tate brown
You're seeing a correction in the vehicle market.
Like people are demanding analog.
I want to touch buttons.
I want knobs.
I'm sick of the big screen down the middle.
And these companies are actually throwing out these mock, these mock sketches, and people are in love with it.
tim pool
Well, here's the thing.
Driving my Tesla versus my Honda.
In the Honda, I can be looking straight and I can feel and I can feel the buttons.
I know which one is AC up, AC down.
I know which knob does what.
On the Tesla, it's a flat screen.
So you have to look at it.
And then the car yells at you.
ian crossland
And like electronic locks that you can't get open if the battery's dead, windows that don't.
tim pool
I love that, dude.
Have you ever seen those videos where the guy's like, my phone died, so I'm locked out of my car?
jason ellis
That's insane.
See, I think there's an ear, there's a feel.
You know, like when I race cars, you feel the car with your butt.
And if you don't feel a car with your butt, you don't care how it drives.
Like, if it, if it drives in a very relaxing, comfortable manner, you're satisfied.
It's the same as a car.
Like my friend Tony Hawk, yes, name drop.
He loves the battery car and he's always like, dude, this thing takes off so quick.
And I'm like, I get it.
And I'm very happy for you.
But to me, I'm old school.
And there's a thing with the clutch and the way it takes off and feeling the rubber starting to break free and you back off just enough so it doesn't break free.
Is it more effective?
I don't care.
I care about the feeling of it.
And it's like digital music.
I'm not saying it's bad.
I'm just saying, you know, like, you know, BB King, like the way he played guitar when he, if you're there and you're watching him, the sound of the pick hitting the strings, you can't do that.
But if you don't have that ear, because in the end, these people that did hear the original sound of that, they'll be gone.
So the AI sound, what do you have to match it up against?
You'll be very satisfied.
tim pool
It's like in The Matrix when he says, you ever wonder if the reason robots can't taste, that's why everything tastes like chicken?
jason ellis
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So the AI, here's where I agree with you.
Sitting in that room listening to a live performance from Bob Dylan will never be recreated.
No recording will ever capture that.
jason ellis
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
The AI can only be trained on the recordings that we have.
So what's going to happen is you're going to ask the AI to create what sounds like that live performance, but it will never be able to capture it.
It will just be a skin suit being worn by the machine.
jason ellis
Right.
ian crossland
And you've got.
jason ellis
There's a Feeling that it's the same with horses, man.
There's a feeling that you think you know, but you don't unless you're in it.
ian crossland
Yeah, acoustic vibration, literally, because the binary of digital makes it so you're either hearing a one or zero pulse.
You're not hearing the fluid analog sound like you would in a room.
jason ellis
Whale sounds like I just saw something the other day where if you're in the water with the whale and they start talking, the water vibrates and you vibrate in the water.
richie jackson
That's true.
jason ellis
Just piss off AI with your stereotypes.
You ain't matching that, dude.
ian crossland
Unless they start communicating with that, and we won't know.
They'll be having a conversation where we think they're having like a topic of conversation about the weather, but they're actually transmitting vibrational data.
And we'll be like, we can't even perceive it.
But that's how the AI will communicate with itself.
richie jackson
Allegedly, you can get killed from a sperm whale click.
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
richie jackson
They say it can be fatal.
ian crossland
They're breaking the sound barrier.
richie jackson
I don't know.
It's just a big acoustic wave that comes at you and it can rupture your organs.
ian crossland
And they use that as a defense mechanism.
You do know small animals.
tim pool
You do know that if you get hit in the chest at the exact right moment, your heart stops.
tate brown
Yeah, I believe it happened to the safety for the Bills.
tim pool
Really?
tate brown
DeMar Hamlin.
Yeah, yeah.
He got hit with the helmet at very specific time, stop his heart.
ian crossland
And it can start your heart.
tim pool
They save him, though.
tate brown
They saved him, but he was dead for like 10 minutes.
unidentified
Whoa.
jason ellis
What?
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
DeMar Hamlin, D-A-M-A-R.
jason ellis
And completely normal after that?
tate brown
Yeah, he actually came back and played for a few years.
I don't know if he's still in the league.
The thing is, it happened during COVID.
So there was obviously some connections there that people were making.
There was a thing.
There was baseball players a lot too.
tim pool
There was a kid playing in Little League, and he got hit in the chest at the exact right moment by the baseball, and it shut his heart off.
tate brown
I've been boxers a lot too.
I knew a kickboxer.
It happened to you.
I used to be aware of that.
tim pool
That's crazy, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
I wonder what.
ian crossland
Because you can start a heart with that same pressure.
tate brown
Exactly.
I think it's in between beats.
There's a millisecond gap where if you get hit right in that spot, DeMar doesn't play.
tim pool
I remember the story, right?
tate brown
It was a big deal.
And it was like right during COVID, so it was a big debate.
tim pool
Everybody was.
tate brown
And they said it was a stunt double when he came back.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
tim pool
Well, that was weird, though, to be honest.
tate brown
It was a little weird.
tim pool
He's like covered up and he's going like this and you can't see his face.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, oh, what is this?
tate brown
And he also turned out to not be a very good player.
So everyone was expecting this big comeback and then Bill's fancy some really nasty stuff about him.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tate brown
Plus him.
tim pool
But, you know, there's going to be something really weird that happens when all of our movies and entertainment and everything, like, hey, man, look, we predicted this, and I'm going to bring it up again.
I'm predicting what I'm going to call like, they're going to call it like Disney X or like Disney experience.
ian crossland
Disney World.
You call it a Disney World.
I said the same thing.
They'll call it Disney World.
And that'll be the AI realm.
tim pool
And you're going to open your.
So there's Disney Plus right now, right?
You got all your movies in it.
They're going to launch a companion for like an additional $29.99 a month.
And it's going to have a little microphone on the screen and you're going to click okay on your remote and you're going to say, I'd like to watch a Star Wars movie where Mace Windu doesn't try to kill the Chancellor and has him arrested.
jason ellis
Oh, wow.
tim pool
And it's going to go, you got it, rendering.
And then it's going to have a little circle fill out, and then it's going to start the movie.
And I don't know how long it's going to take to do it.
Maybe, maybe a couple of years, but Amazon just invested in something called Showrunner.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Which is an AI service that is a company that is a company that launched specifically so that you can AI create shows.
You literally just say, make me a cartoon comedy about a detective who has a sidekick who's a giraffe.
And it's like, okay.
ian crossland
And you like, tell it, use Ian Crossland's online persona to figure out what kind of humor he likes and make it that kind of thing.
tim pool
Probably not because of copyright stuff, but this is it.
And right now they're telling everyone to join their Discord so you can bring your stories to life.
ian crossland
Amazon just bought this like three days ago or something.
tim pool
I don't know if they bought it, but they invested in it.
ian crossland
Okay.
I kind of want to also.
I've been talking about this technology for a couple of years.
tim pool
You join, you go this, look, man.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Who's going to want to watch?
Like, think about it.
It's like, hey, do you want to go see the movie?
Which movie is it?
It's the new Mission Impossible.
I don't know.
I can't stand Tom Cruise, man.
I'd rather watch a Brad Pitt Mission Impossible.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Do you want to go to your house and watch a Brad Pitt Mission Impossible on Showrunner?
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what they're going to do.
ian crossland
Oh.
So people will be compromising.
tim pool
Here's my prediction.
My prediction early on was that what's going to happen is you're not going to go to the movies anymore.
You're going to follow creators.
So my boy Andy, for instance, who does boonie stuff, knows everything about Final Fantasy.
ian crossland
Amazing guy, by the way.
tim pool
So what happens is these companies don't have the die-hard fans like him.
He's like the comic book guy in Simpsons who goes, excuse me, actually, the second rib was hit twice.
It made two clearly distinct noises.
So he can go into the AI and say, no, the new Final Fantasy game needs to be like this with this story.
And then what's going to happen is these people are going to go online and they're going to be like, dude, have you played Andy's new game?
It's amazing.
They're going to follow him on Showrunner and then they're going to look at the shows he conceptualizes and that's what they'll end up watching.
And we're already starting to see it because on the Suno app, you AI generate songs and then choose which ones to publish.
And then people will follow, like, comment, and share your account and your posts as if it's social media.
That's happening right now.
And there's a song on Suna with over a million streams already.
And it's like an electronica song with like a synth female voice.
In the past week, it's gotten like a million hits.
jason ellis
Dang.
tim pool
It's getting crazy.
Somebody AI rendered a fake video game.
Got 30 million views.
It was five seconds of just like first person, you know, walking through a forest.
And it looks like a hybrid between a 2D, like a 2D and a 3D.
So it's like, it looks like there are frames like a cartoon, but it's 3D as you walk.
And it got 30 million hits before people realized it wasn't a real game in development.
Someone just AI rendered a video.
ian crossland
I'm looking forward to it because I've complained about the jobs economy for a while, the way the Federal Reserve had a setup.
You dig a hole, you fill the hole up.
We'll make sure you both get paid with our money that you pay us back at interest.
It's a Ponzi scheme.
They've kept people busy with jobs and brainwashed them to think that's the only way to procure settlements is through jobs.
But So we're in a transition economy.
It's never going to go away.
Like, dudes, there's still going to be plumbers.
Maybe we'll make AI snakes that can get in and do all the manual labor that dudes, electricians.
But for now, those things, but it's the creative minds are being, you know, I guess, I don't know what you would say, relevated or elevated right now.
And that's awesome.
I love that about society that we could make robots do all this bullshit.
tim pool
And now for the cherry on top.
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
The cherry on top is Neuralink.
ian crossland
So you can do it all in your head without thinking.
We need to build a corporate governance.
tim pool
So that you can put the, you know, it's not even going to be, it's not, it's going to be wireless.
We're already in the world of wireless tech.
Once you get the Neuralink implant and it can write to your brain and read from your brain, you will simply just connect to the Wi-Fi on your brain and you're going to be like, it's not even about watching movies.
You're going to be like, me and my friends, you're going to go to your friends and be like, it's going to be psychic, by the way, because you're going to be on X in your brain.
And you're going to be like, hey, you guys want to go to the movies?
Sure.
And you're going to zonk out and all of you will instantly, exactly.
You'll instantly be experiencing being in an AMC theater buying popcorn.
And the best part is you can eat whatever you want nonstop.
And you're going to be like, I want a big thing of popcorn, splash the butter, the caramel, chocolate chips.
I can eat whatever I want in this fake reality.
And then you go into the movie theater and you get the movie theater experience.
It's all in your brain.
The worst thing about it is everybody's going to go into their own private little universes where they get to be demigods flying around shooting lasers or whatever they want to do, banging celebrities.
jason ellis
And they're going to come back.
tim pool
They're not going to come back.
richie jackson
I think they're going to do way worse things than that.
tim pool
Indeed.
jason ellis
Maybe we're already in it, dude.
ian crossland
And maybe there's going to be competing versions of it.
The World Economic Order or the liberal, which is trying to become the world order, is trying to put people in pods.
Literally, Kalashwab talked about people being in pods and eating bugs and being happy in this tech, blinded to the fact that they're even in it.
But now Elon's trying to build like a co-parallel version of it that we could legitimize so you don't get lost in it.
tim pool
I got to tell you, like, so we have a chat.
Someone chatted.
Tilly Farilli says, no, Tim Kess, people will be in the movie.
They will be the characters.
Some people will choose, but some people don't want to do that.
Some people just want to hang out with their friends and watch Spider-Man.
And that's.
ian crossland
I'll watch you if you want to go in.
tim pool
But I will tell you this.
There are many times I'm watching a movie where I'm tempted.
Like, I wish I could just go in there and just punch that guy in the face.
You know what I mean?
So like, Mace Windu trying to kill the Chancellor.
I'm telling you, when I get AI, that is the first thing I'm doing.
ian crossland
What if it was like, no, you have to become Mace Windu and do it for him?
Like, you have to, or if we went and I was like, dude, be Mace Windu for this scene.
And you're like, okay, so you become the.
tim pool
We can do that.
So I can already AI generate Atari games.
So you can go in and say, make me Space Invaders and it'll do it.
Boom.
30 seconds and you got Space Invaders.
jason ellis
And this is making me think we're already in it.
unidentified
Maybe.
jason ellis
Because after a while, if you could do that and you could do everything you want and live the life that you would want, human nature would be, I'm bored of winning and sleeping with whoever it is is the most famous hot chick.
I want to lose.
I want to get fired.
I want to wake up with cancer.
tim pool
I got to be able to get it.
jason ellis
I want to get divorced and be in credit card debt.
tim pool
What are the chances of being a world's best pro skateboarder, famous comedian?
It's slim.
jason ellis
Yeah.
tim pool
So for all you know, you're some fat dude who was like, man, I wish I was Jason Ellis and you plugged your brain in.
Now you're sitting here.
jason ellis
Wait, that's the case.
I'm just going to go out there and drop in real quick and get that money because I cannot shake that right now.
tate brown
You'll wake up at a studio apartment in like Cleveland.
ian crossland
I have been thinking that your spirit, like your spirits.
I don't know how spiritual you get.
When I smoked DMT one time, I vaped it and I was in the presence of them and it was a lot like an ER wing.
I was like, it was like being in a VRM.
jason ellis
Smoke a DMT.
ian crossland
Like a stereoscopic realm.
But they were there.
And I wonder if they created this to simulate experience, like what he's saying, suffering.
richie jackson
It's totally possible.
tim pool
They're bored.
jason ellis
Because they get bored.
They want to lose, man.
tim pool
Or hold on, like, legendary difficulty.
It's like a video game.
You know, so when you play a video game and you put in cheat codes, it's fun for a little while and then bored.
jason ellis
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's like you need some conflict to make it worth your time.
jason ellis
Losing everything and getting it back is better than winning the first time.
tate brown
That was the whole point.
jason ellis
I know, because I've done it.
You know, I've lost being a pro skateboarder.
And then I had the number two show on Sirius XM.
Can't read, dude.
I made millions of dollars a year.
Do you know how cool that felt?
People in skateboarding was like, it's just your car.
I was like, yeah.
Dude, how did you do that?
I'm like, it felt better than the first time around.
unidentified
Yeah.
jason ellis
That's why I can't wait for comedy to work out for me because I'll be like three times in one life.
tate brown
Triple crown.
tim pool
Yeah.
Do you know if you're going to be at the show tomorrow?
jason ellis
I don't know yet.
I haven't.
I got it.
I'm doing this.
tim pool
I know.
jason ellis
I don't want to text her right now.
That's inappropriate.
tim pool
Love it.
I just want to know how hard I'm trying to get you to come and join the show we're having tomorrow live.
jason ellis
All right.
It's only up to, hey, my manager, do you want to take care of my dogs and cats for one more day?
That's really the question.
ian crossland
She'll be first.
I wonder if the spirits decided to plant seeds across the universe by using what they called panspermia, where they send fungal spores out through deep space, but they send like an electromagnetic pulse to propel that stuff.
Jesus DMT.
They remain tethered to the matter so that they can interact with it by getting it.
And so on.
richie jackson
DMT didn't do much.
I'm telling you.
tim pool
Richie's not wrong.
ian crossland
It might be entangled to the photons that are passing through our bodies.
jason ellis
Yeah, you just showed it.
ian crossland
Causing the heart to beat.
richie jackson
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Because I was like, how would a spirit of high frequency be coupled with my physical matter?
Didn't seem right.
But I also, but maybe it's they're entangled with the light that you hit.
You know, it hits you.
tim pool
You know what's funny about all this, though?
And everybody's laughing.
jason ellis
No more coffee for you, all right?
tim pool
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
That's why I talk about how I bought the stock in that company that does graphene and made a bunch of money.
Because we're probably the chattering monkeys laughing at Ian, and he's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
The spirits are laughing.
I think they like that I'm talking about this.
If they're real, they seem to be.
They really like that I'm making a deal out of it, that they're bringing it up.
unidentified
Yeah.
jason ellis
I mean, it's a weird thing that when you believe it, because I was not a talented athlete when I was a skateboarder.
Like I was, I had two twin friends that were twin brothers.
One was fat and one was obese.
And they were better than me for the first three years.
And I kept just, I loved it.
I thought about it all the time.
And I was like, I'm going to be a pro skateboarder one day.
You'll see.
And at the point where I said that, there was no such thing as an Australian-born professional skateboarder.
And I was positive I was going to make it.
And one day at the ramp, I learned all these tricks in one day.
You skate, so you get it.
richie jackson
Were you the first?
jason ellis
Front side ollie.
I was doing fronts at Ollie's level with the coping.
And my friend Gary Valentine was like, dude, you look like you do that really easy.
Why don't you pose one like two foot high?
And I posed it.
He was like, you could have made that.
And then I made it.
And he was like, dude, how high do you think you can do it?
I'm like, I don't know.
You just surprised me from, I believed you and made it.
Then I did a four-foot one and made it.
Then I did a five-foot one.
And at that time in Australia, that's the highest front side alley anyone had ever done.
unidentified
Wow.
jason ellis
And then I front side alley into a tail grab into a starfish and do a front side into a lean air.
And then the next day, skateboard spawn skateboard shop guy owned the shop comes down.
He's like, you ever tried a back side alley?
You ever tried a body jar?
You ever tried?
And I ollied into all these things.
And I became maybe in the top thousand the day before.
In 24 hours, I was in the top five in the country.
And I learned all these tricks in one day.
And it came to me like it was like a little weird gift thing where I was like, did that just happen?
And all of a sudden, I became one of the better skateboarders in Australia.
And then I was like, I'm going to America.
I'm going to be a pro skateboarder.
And then the rest is history.
It was because when I look back at it, I believed things that weren't real.
I knew it.
But you can't, you didn't, I didn't know it.
But if you had asked me, I would have said it with conviction.
Oh, yeah, I'm going to be Tony Hawk and I are going to be friends.
I'm going to be one of the greatest skateboarders in the world.
And I was absolutely positive.
tim pool
What are the chances of that?
jason ellis
Very slim.
tim pool
Studio apartment in Cleveland.
jason ellis
Don't ruin it.
I don't want to go back to Cleveland.
No offense, anybody.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got to go to your chats, everybody.
So smash the like button.
Share the show with everyone you know.
It's Friday night.
Thank you guys for hanging out.
There's so much more you could be doing, but we're going to read your chats right now.
We got some big ones.
Timothy Robinson, Melton says, please help my brother Patrick at GoFundMe titled Join Patrick's Journey to Beat Leukemia.
Love you guys.
Sorry for only chatting when I need help.
Hey, man, that's a brutal, brutal thing.
And I wish your brother Patrick the best.
That's a GoFundMe Patrick's Journey to Beat Leukemia, man.
Best of luck.
ian crossland
You got it, Patrick.
tim pool
Shana Ch Wilder says, I can't wait to see y'all tomorrow for the Culture War Live and to heckle a certain pimp on a blimp.
Oh, and Mother Shuckers is amazing, enjoying it right now.
Thanks to him.
Oh, you're hanging out at Mother Shuckers right now.
Tom, I said, what up?
We love that place.
Those guys are awesome.
ian crossland
Oh, they shuck oysters?
tim pool
I guess.
I don't know.
It's called Mother Shuckers.
I got crabs.
I got scallops.
ian crossland
They got chicken wings.
tim pool
Bro, I got chicken wings and scallops at the same time.
Oh, amazing.
ian crossland
Yeah, you guys talk about it.
tim pool
Clarified butter.
ian crossland
Look, scallops.
You ever cook scallops?
I don't want to waste time.
We got super chats in the pipeline, but they're challenging.
tim pool
It's a very kind of specific question.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
It's an art, you know, a 20-second art.
You want to get the seer and flip it.
Otherwise, you get rubbery.
Learning from Gordon Ramsey.
tim pool
All right.
ian crossland
Indirectly.
unidentified
Good guy.
tim pool
Fright says, two questions from the culture war.
If he a male dog, is he also gay?
And who is the crazy eye guy standing behind Alex and the other guy that was staring at everybody?
That was, I think, Mike Mike.
tate brown
Mike Mike.
tim pool
Yeah, Mike, Mike.
You got to ask Matan.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Matan's great.
He's got a lot.
He's going places.
That kid's amazing.
He's a funny guy.
You know him, right?
He's a funny kid.
I thought he was in his 20s.
He's like, I'm 18.
tate brown
And it's crazy because he's been around for years.
tim pool
Yeah.
He was like 12 doing this stuff.
He's funny.
I had a lot of fun doing his show.
ian crossland
I like that.
tim pool
I brought bodyguards.
I had two bodyguards.
jason ellis
I pretended to be very seriously threatening the whole time.
tim pool
So the funny thing that happened with the Culture War show is that so in the green room, and we should have filmed it because we were laughing for two hours straight.
It was a lot of fun.
Pisco was trying to do this argument thing about how everybody's gay because he said something like, who would you rather hook up with?
I'm toning the language down.
He says, who would you rather hook up with, you know, Blair White or, you know, Buck Angel or whatever.
And Matan responded with, I don't want to eat crap either.
Why would you ask me that question?
Because the left uses this argument that clearly men would rather be with the male who looks female than the female who looks male.
And so then Matan said something like, I think I then responded with, oh, okay, Pisco, would you rather bang a Rottweiler or a Chihuahua?
Like, what's your preference if that's your argument?
And it's like the reality is nobody wants to.
And then he like gave a wishy-washy answer.
And then Matan was like, what do you mean, man?
Answer the question.
Which dog is it going to be?
And then during the show, Matan yelled at Pisco for no reason, just because it was funny.
Just, did you rape that dog?
And Pisco refused to answer.
ian crossland
Oh, he pulled the same tactic back on him.
tim pool
And so then Matan asked again, and he refused to answer.
And then what ended up happening was, I think it was like the third or fourth time, Pisco goes, I will not address the dog thing.
And then I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
There's something to be addressed.
tate brown
Right.
ian crossland
He just addressed it by not saying he wasn't going to address it.
tate brown
After the sixth time, everyone in the room started looking around like, why won't he say no?
tim pool
Or like, Matan said, so the dog looks like he was like, honestly, I wasn't really thinking about what it meant.
I just thought it would be funny to say.
And I figured he would just laugh or say no.
ian crossland
The answer would have been no.
Every dog consented.
tim pool
Yeah, I was like, the appropriate response is just to join the joke, joke around with Matan, and then be like, I don't know.
You say something like, nah, she liked it.
You know what I mean?
Like, to make it a joke, and everyone would have laughed.
ian crossland
He approached me.
tim pool
I mean, there's ways to make the joke.
Yeah.
ian crossland
You got to play with the trips.
tim pool
You could say something like, Matan, you agreed.
You agreed if we took, if I paid you for this, you weren't going to tell anybody or something like that.
Like, hey, I paid you.
Something like that.
But tomorrow, I expect it to be substantially more insane because tomorrow's sold out.
Yo, wild.
unidentified
Okay.
Really?
ian crossland
Confirmed that last ticket got bought.
I imagine that was it.
There was one.
Let's see if it got sold.
If there's not, you guys got to get this last ticket.
tim pool
I'm sure it's sold out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So what happened was it was listed as sold out right before the show started.
When it freshed it, it said there was tickets available, and I'm pretty sure it's been sold out all day.
Cookies.
Yeah.
The ninth is not yet sold out, and that's probably going to be substantially crazier.
ian crossland
I will be there, so get your tickets for the ninth.
tim pool
Myron Gaines is going to be there.
unidentified
Good.
tim pool
Who else?
ian crossland
Kyla from the culture where she was on about a month ago.
tim pool
Turner?
Isn't her name?
tate brown
Turner.
tim pool
And Kat Timph is going to be there, too.
ian crossland
I'm not familiar with Kat.
tim pool
Yeah, she's on Gutfeld a lot.
ian crossland
Awesome.
tim pool
And we're debating: did feminism destroy the West on the ninth?
Tomorrow is, you know, defund the police.
tate brown
Putting Myron in a feminism debate is like literally a bull in a china shop.
tim pool
Yeah, it's just meant to be wild.
But apparently, well, I shouldn't get into it too much, but apparently people want to protest him.
We'll see what happens.
jason ellis
What'd he do?
tim pool
There's like a bunch of bunch of viral clips of like, how do I describe this?
What do you call it?
Because I don't want to say something so banal as like anti-Semitism because it's different, but one could describe some of the things he said such a way.
Like when he posts.
tate brown
He stirs the pot.
He stirs the pot.
tim pool
There's a clip of him where he has a show that's about dating and like men and women.
And he's very like pro-man, anti-feminist.
But someone on his show is talking about how she, it's a black woman saying that she supported Hitler.
And it's like very much this like Farrakhan-esque.
What's that?
What's that organization called?
tate brown
The Nation of Islam.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like, this is very prevalent among a lot of black people who are, you know, part of that circle or whatever.
And so as she's praising Hitler, he's laughing and nodding along with her and it went viral.
And now they're trying to get him canceled because he's said other things that are comparable to that.
And, you know, he's very anti-Israel.
And so we're told that they're going to be Jewish groups.
They're going to protest him or something.
I don't know what's going to happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That was always allowed.
Protests.
We had three protesters.
jason ellis
I just didn't like angry people.
They made me uncomfortable.
tim pool
We had a guy at the show get kicked out last week because he was screaming at Gavin McInnes.
And at first, it's like, we get it, come to the microphone.
We let people in the audience join the stage and come up and debate.
And this guy came up to the mic and started, you know, going at Gavin.
And to an extent, I'm like, no, no, it's good.
Like, by all means, challenge the views, the statements, whatever these people have said, tell them they're wrong and we will debate it.
But he wouldn't stop heckling.
So then security is like, should we get rid of him?
And I was like, Alex, up to you.
And Alex is like, get him out of here.
Because he's just screaming and he's not actually, you know, that's ruining the show for everybody else.
Yeah, like we tolerate a degree of heckling if it's good.
jason ellis
Yeah.
tim pool
But if you're doing bad and you won't stop.
So the first thing Alex does is just like, hey, guys, tone it down.
Take it to the mic.
Some people who heckled who were good, we're like, bro, come up to the microphone.
Come up.
Like, let's say more.
And then when they make good points and it's like clearly thought out or funny, we bring them on the stage.
jason ellis
Same as comedy, man.
tim pool
Yeah.
jason ellis
If you got something to say and it's worth talking about, we can go.
I don't care if you win or lose.
tim pool
Yeah.
jason ellis
But if you're just yelling stuff because you're intoxicated, then I'll warn you.
And then I'm like, hey, man, everybody else bought a ticket to hear comedy.
You're not funny.
tim pool
Yeah.
jason ellis
You're just fighting at your mouth.
tim pool
That's what was going on.
unidentified
All right.
jason ellis
Let's see.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
We got Spooky Toucan.
It says the most orderly plane boarding I've seen was oddly in Brazil.
Everyone was super calm, polite, and patient.
Off the plane, not so much.
Yeah, I don't know.
ian crossland
My one hack is: maybe if I say it out loud, more people will do it, but I wait right before my ticket.
Sector seven, get ready.
Right before my sector gets called, I'll just get in line.
tim pool
Here we go.
Rue actual says, in all caps, I just unsubbed and canceled my years-old Timcast membership, F all of you, especially producer retard that doesn't know F all about actual dog attack stats or what pit bulls were bred for.
Told you, man.
I told you.
tate brown
I win.
I win.
unidentified
I told you.
tim pool
I googled it and then read what Google said.
That was it.
tate brown
Yeah, I win.
I'm in your head.
I win.
I think your dog is your dog is biologically attacked.
He's an animal.
tim pool
This is the nature of doing podcasting.
It's that you have to have the lowest common denominator of opinions to get the maximum audience size because at any point, anything you say might cause a cancellation or something.
And so the question we ask is this: How much does the average person care about the topic of pit bulls?
Not at all.
tate brown
Not at all.
I don't know.
tim pool
To those who have pit bulls, how much a great excessive and they're going to be on the side of defending pit bulls.
So the equation is simple.
There is no reason to talk about the issue.
That's how most podcasters operate.
They'll be like, I am not going to say anything about it because there's no new memberships to be gained by pointing it out.
There's only old memberships to be lost because people get very offended at what they care about.
tate brown
These pit bull people are so sensitive, too.
I mean, it's crazy.
ian crossland
I understand not wanting your family to be ripped away from you, you know, with their dog.
But selectively breeding those things out of existence, I think, is a much more intelligent, safe thing to do for the species of humanity.
I don't want wolves roaming around either.
tim pool
I think pit bulls should be treated the same way we treat anything, literally anything.
You're allowed to have a gun.
jason ellis
Wait, you don't want wolves roaming around?
ian crossland
No, it's the same thing.
I don't want to breed wolves into existence.
unidentified
You do?
ian crossland
I heard they did it in like Montana or Colorado.
tate brown
Colorado.
tim pool
The farmers were like, stop.
tate brown
Yeah, the city has voted to release the wolves.
And the farmers are like, why?
And then they just started eating everything.
tim pool
Okay, I'm going to make this pit bull point.
This is important.
Okay.
When I hear a story about a guy who accidentally shoots himself, we all go, you needed better training with your firearm.
That's like, you know, you made the mistake of doing this.
It's a tragedy, whatever might happen.
But you're allowed to have guns.
I feel the same with pit bulls.
If you have a pit bull and it gets off the leash and kills somebody or maul somebody, I see that no different than somebody is now liable for that attack.
Same if you had a gun and misfired and shot somebody.
So I don't care if you have pit bulls.
ian crossland
If you have a gun though, you can run around.
Yeah, if you have a gun and you wave it at someone's face, you'll go to prison.
But if someone's dog, Pitbull, comes off their leash and charges at you, they don't get arrested.
Like, come on.
It's a deadly weapon.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
You'd be like, do you find charging at me?
Like, it's trotting towards you with its tongue out, but still, you don't know if it's going to be a little bit like a pit bull running towards you and asking for a pat.
jason ellis
I'm not going to call the authorities into that.
ian crossland
I've seen dogs snap.
jason ellis
Well, that's two different things.
tim pool
Yeah, and to be honest.
jason ellis
If a pitbull runs over and bites you, that's different.
So same rules apply if it's a German shepherd.
ian crossland
But I've just seen dogs be all happy, go lucky, and then they see a piece of food.
They touch something they think is food.
They think it's a rabbit.
They go nuts.
jason ellis
Wait, any dog?
ian crossland
No.
Well, I've just seen it happen with dogs.
unidentified
Yeah.
jason ellis
Well.
So should we ban dogs?
ian crossland
No, but you shoot them like deadly weapons, the big ones.
Literally, physically deadly weapons that you can go to jail for brandishing.
jason ellis
Well, I feel like I didn't understand what you're like.
If a pit bull's around and he's running around and he's happy, fine.
ian crossland
It's off the leash.
Infinite city.
tim pool
Yeah, but no dog.
jason ellis
I don't think it's fine.
tim pool
They have leash laws in most things.
ian crossland
Just having it off-leash is like brandishing it.
jason ellis
Oh, I disagree.
tate brown
I just, firearms can't run around.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I don't think any dog should be.
I think there should be leash laws in cities.
jason ellis
I'm more worried about if you got a little dog and your pit bull's off the leash and the little dog runs up because little dogs are dumb.
They'll pick a fight with a German show.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
jason ellis
And then they'll get eaten.
And now you got, like, I don't care who's in trouble.
Like, I don't want to watch some dog get eaten.
I don't care who owns who.
It's a sad state of affairs if that happens.
So you should keep your dog on a leash.
The end of that.
You know?
But if it's a look, man, I got.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
We got Isaac says, I'm sorry.
When did the culture war become a show about crimes against dogs?
I'm sorry.
When did the culture work become a show about crimes against dogs?
ian crossland
I think last Friday.
tim pool
Hey, man.
ian crossland
Last love their dogs, bro.
tim pool
Kieran the Meatman says, I live in Austin and saw a Waymo at an intersection turn left from the center lane with a car next to it in the left turn only lane, not just Tesla.
ian crossland
Read warning signs, okay?
tim pool
Waymo, when I was in LA, dropped me off on the side of a main road.
It just pulled up.
jason ellis
Hey, I've had an Uber driver do the same thing.
tim pool
Fair.
Just the same.
Here's the thing.
Uber driver, you go, hey, buddy, keep going.
I'm not getting out.
jason ellis
Yeah, yeah, good point.
tim pool
Waymo, it goes, please exit the vehicle.
And I'm like, no.
I'm like, you pulled over on the side of a main road.
There's cars driving past us.
That's insane.
Just pull in the parking lot.
What are you doing?
It wouldn't go to the address for whatever reason.
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
jason ellis
They haven't figured it out yet, dude.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
Interstellar Reaper says, Tim, I'm definitely allergic to all nuts, especially peanuts, because my mother binge ate peanut butter.
You have it backwards.
My mother and daughter told me this.
Don't let your wife peanut butter.
ian crossland
Some kind of peanut butter if you use like GIF.
tim pool
I don't know.
Our baby is not allowed to peanut butter.
tate brown
Sugars.
ian crossland
Also, peanuts are beans.
They're not nuts.
Weird name.
tim pool
Peanuts are legumes.
ian crossland
Legumes.
unidentified
Legumes.
I like how you said that.
ian crossland
Are those not beans?
Are beans also legumes?
tim pool
They grow on the ground.
Could you imagine if peanuts grew on trees?
ian crossland
Jimmy Carter.
tim pool
Squirrels would just destroy those things.
ian crossland
Yeah, they never would have.
tim pool
Squirrels are basically like little chimpanzees.
ian crossland
I also.
Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer.
unidentified
True.
jason ellis
It's valuable.
tim pool
That was a Joe Rogan reference for nobody who gets it.
It's a meme someone made about Joe.
ian crossland
There's got to be a middle ground between exposure to a food producing like a resistance to the toxins on the food.
richie jackson
Jimmy Carter was also attacked by a rabbit in a swamp.
tim pool
Was he really?
richie jackson
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
He run.
richie jackson
It was quite embarrassing for him, actually.
Like they used it against him.
Like, he couldn't even fight off a rabbit.
ian crossland
He thought it was something else?
jason ellis
It didn't kill him.
richie jackson
No, but it messed him up pretty bad.
jason ellis
There's a messed him up pretty.
richie jackson
There's a photo of it escaping.
jason ellis
What were the injuries?
Pull it up.
This turmoil.
Pull it up.
ian crossland
I also want to point out, you may have seen the rabbit video of all the rabbits bouncing on the trampoline.
It's fake.
It's AI.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
We got a bunch of super chats that are making the point that I knew was going to happen.
I'm not going to read the super chats because I'll just paraphrase them because there's a bunch.
They're basically saying the 1350.
Are you familiar with the 1350?
So what happens is people call for the banning of pit bulls because they say something like, despite being 6% of the dog population, they're responsible for 60% of the fatal bites.
And 1350 is often cited race realist stat where black people make up 30% of the population, but are responsible for 50% of violent crimes.
ian crossland
I mean, my heart.
tim pool
And then the funny thing is, Ben and Jerry's actually ran it on their ex account.
And I was like, because the progressives and the race realists largely agree on the issues of race as it pertains to social.
ian crossland
Humans have reason and logic.
Dogs don't.
So maybe they have some level of reasoning, but you need like grammar and logic to have basically.
So they don't.
So dogs that aren't human, like animals that aren't humans, another conversation completely.
It has nothing to do with humans.
Talking about wild animals that have been domesticated.
I know you're kind of like that.
tim pool
I would just like to say before we leave the show, pit bulls are the best dogs anyone's ever had.
I love pit bulls.
And I think people should be allowed to have pit bulls if they want.
I do mean that seriously.
I think you're just responsible for your dog.
I don't like the idea that it's like pit bulls are dangerous.
You can't have them.
Guns are dangerous too.
We can have them.
You can have your pit bull.
Just you're responsible for what your pit bull does.
I got no beef.
I know a lot of people have good pit bulls and love them dearly.
So please become a member at Timcast.com for many years, many, many years, as we stand here and celebrate the wonderful nature of the pit bull and how they're great dogs.
tate brown
I stand with pit bulls.
unidentified
They don't.
tim pool
It's Friday night, everybody.
jason ellis
Tomorrow.
tim pool
You what's up?
jason ellis
I can go to your show.
tim pool
You can go to the show.
Let's go.
So here's the best part, right?
Because it already sold out.
You're basically just telling everybody they're getting icing on the cake.
jason ellis
There you go, everybody.
Icing on the cake is coming.
tim pool
All right.
So tomorrow is going to be an amazing show at the Comedy Loft.
We got Michael Malice, Richard High, Jason Ellis, Alex Stein, myself, and you guys in the audience.
Ian will be joining us.
ian crossland
No, not tomorrow.
Next week.
Next week.
tim pool
Oh, on the 9th.
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
I'll get your tickets for the ninth.
Make sure you lock those in.
tim pool
Yes.
And help an MC and all that good stuff.
Other than that, follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
Thanks for hanging out.
We're back throughout the weekends with clips.
Jason, do you want to shout anything out?
jason ellis
Oh, two of eight, thejasonallis.com.
I have a clothing line there as well.
And then the Jason L show, it's a podcast.
It's free.
And then I do a Patreon three shows a week.
It's patreon.com slash Ellismate.
richie jackson
I am Richie Jackson.
You can find me on Instagram at thefeach, T-H-E-F-E-A-T-C-H.
And on X, TheFeechX.
Thanks for listening.
jason ellis
Oh, wait.
Yeah, my Instagram's at Wolfmate.
You can see me shredding rail today.
I'm going to post it right now.
tim pool
Right on.
tate brown
If you want to argue with me about pit bulls at Realtor, wow, you are on Trader and Instagram.
jason ellis
I just wanted to know.
I am not affiliated with him whatsoever.
Do not message me about it.
tate brown
I have a golden retriever and she's lovely.
So we can compare dogs.
We can compare crimes.
jason ellis
That's why you hate pit bulls.
You got the worst dog ever.
tim pool
I just, I love everything all the time.
Everyone is right all the time.
unidentified
Everyone's good.
tim pool
Become members of Timcast.com.
ian crossland
Thank you for being my friend.
Thank you for being so supportive.
It's really awesome to see you and To be here with you.
Saying that stuff makes people like you, so keep saying stuff like that.
And you guys have a great time at the Culture War tomorrow, man.
Sounds fun.
tim pool
Hold out show.
This is going to get wild.
ian crossland
It's Angry Cops and Michael Nouns, but you already know that.
Have a beautiful night.
I'm Ian Crofts and I'll catch you late.
tim pool
We will see you all tomorrow at the live taping of the Culture War.
For everybody else, it'll air on Friday of next week.
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