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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		New documents have been released and oh boy, this one's a doozy.
		In the documents released from the Durham annex, it goes on to explain how Hillary Clinton approved of a plan to smear Donald Trump as being supported by the Russians and it was Obama's intelligence agencies that were helping.
		When we put these stories together, well, you get, they knew it was false.
		They knew it was exaggerated.
		They were going to smear Trump anyway specifically to cover up the Hillary Clinton email scandal and shift the view of the public towards Trump instead of her because she had broken the law and Comey refused to prosecute her.
		You combine this with the other documents that Tulsi Gabbard released, which show Obama ordered this directly and things are getting a bit interesting.
		Now on top of this, we've got the Pelosi story, the Pelosi Act as it were, and Trump was initially mad at Senator Hawley, but Hawley says he talked to Trump, cleared it up and Trump's actually on board.
		They may actually ban stock trading.
		So we'll talk about that.
		And then on top of that first story, we have a whistleblower.
		Apparently there was a guy in the or an intelligence analyst who is threatened by the higher-ups that he had to sign off on bad intelligence to smear Trump.
		Hence, this looks like a conspiracy against Trump and when he was president, his administration.
		So we're going to talk about that and more.
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	Joining us tonight to talk about this and much more, we've got Joseph Gerdante.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I'm the CEO of Ellio Capital, ALLIO.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what does this, what does this Ellio Capital do?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		It's a macro investment platform.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		So it's actually fortuitous that we have you because the Pelosi Act is a big story and there's discussion about insider trading, how the ultra wealthy are playing these games, how the politicians are playing this game.
		So it'll be interesting to get your insights on how this whole infrastructure and investing works.
		So thanks for hanging out.
		It should be fun.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Mary hanging out.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Hello everyone.
		I'm Mary Morgan.
		You can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Timcast alongside my lovely co-host.
		I finally get to say that to you.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Perfect.
		Yes.
		Guys, I'm filling in today for Phil.
		It's Brett.
		Normally also Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday through Friday., 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
		Let's get into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's a story from the New York Post.
		Read the documents that prove Hillary Clinton okayed plan to smear Trump with Russia collusion.
		This is from the New York Post published today.
		They break down this annex.
		This is crazy stuff, Hillary Clinton and Obama were in this scheme to smear Trump as a Russian asset, claiming that Russians hacked it or that Trump was colluding with them or something like that, which not just affected the campaign but went into his presidency resulting in a multi year long investigation that cost tens of millions of dollars.
		Take a look.
		Hillary Clinton signed off on a plan hatched by a top campaign advisor to smear then candidate Trump with false claims of Russian collusion and distract from her own mounting email scandal during the 2016 campaign.
		According to explosive intelligence files declassified Thursday, the 24-page intelligence annex was compiled from memos and emails obtained by the Obama administration in the leadup to election day that laid out confidential conversations between leaders of the Democratic National Committee, including then chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and liberal billionaire George Soros' Open Society Foundations.
		Can you believe this?
		The plot, the brainshow of the Clinton campaign's then foreign policy advisor, Julianne Smith, included, quote, raising the theme of Putin's support for Trump and subsequently steering public opinion toward the notion that it needs to equate the Russian leader's political influence campaign with actual hacking of election infrastructure.
		They say Smith would go on to serve as former President Joe Biden's ambassador to NATO.
		Quote, I don't have any comment, she told the Post when they phoned her on Thursday.
		Now, I want to scroll down.
		There's a little bit more.
		They show some documents.
		In one document, it says Obama has no intention to darken the final part of his presidency and legacy by the scandal surrounding the main contender for the DP.
		This To solve the problem, the president puts pressure on FBI director James Comey through Attorney General Lynch.
		However, so far without concrete results.
		That is to say, Obama knew Hillary Clinton was scandal-ridden.
		She had a private server.
		This was illegal.
		They were refusing to prosecute.
		She had the server destroyed, phones smashed with hammers, and Obama was like, This is going to make me look bad if I do anything to intervene.
		So he leans on the FBI and says, You take care of it.
		And what happens?
		The FBI says, We will not bring charges against Hillary Clinton for the crimes she has committed.
		Shockingly insane.
		They're going to say Durham consulted the FBI and CIA, both of which assessed the information was likely authentic, but couldn't corroborate exact copies of the Barnardo emails with open study foundations.
		The CIA also determined that the intelligence was not the product of Russian fabrications.
		Smith was at minimum playing a role in the Clinton campaign's effort to tie Trump to Russia, Durham concluded.
		Now I'm going to scroll down here.
		Page 7.
		This is where it gets interesting.
		Let me read you this paragraph.
		According to this is from the Durham annex.
		According to data from the election campaign headquarters of Hillary Clinton obtained via the U.S. Soros Foundation on the 26th of July 206, 2016, Clinton approved a plan of her policy advisor Julianna Smith from the TS NAB, TSS is unknown acronym to smear Donald Trump by magnifying the scandal tied to the intrusion by the Russian special services in the pre-election process to benefit the Republican candidate.
		As envisioned by Smith, raising the theme of Putin's support for Trump to the level of the Olympic scandal would divert the constituents' attention from the investigation of Clinton's compromised electronic correspondence.
		In addition, by subsequently steering public opinion towards the notion that it needs to equate Putin's efforts to influence political process in the U.S. via cyberspace to acts against a crucially important infrastructure would force the White House to use more confrontational scenarios vis-a-vis Moscow that as a whole suits Clinton's line of conduct.
		A relatively sluggish reaction by the administration to the events surrounding the DNC that led to the resignation of Chairman Deborah Wasserman-Schultz.
		provoked exasperation within the PC, possibly political convention, and the entire deep state, which may also be used by Clinton to reinforce her position among the security service agents.
		To simplify, Clinton's campaign wanted to get the bad press off her and shift the focus to Trump.
		And they knew that making this scandal bigger would force the Obama administration to target Trump with actual law enforcement capabilities.
		And then we got years of Trump being accused of being a traitor to this country, secretly working with the Russians the whole time because Obama didn't want to get his hands dirty, ordering the release of information they knew to be false.
		Holy crap, ladies and gentlemen, the more that comes out, the more shockingly insane we learn this story to be.
		And I guess the question then is for everybody watching.
		Will anybody get arresrested?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No, it's nothing ever changes gang here.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like why it's not shocking is we just keep finding out that we were right in our hunches and our conspiracy theories and the truth eventually does come out and I guess that's a happening but nothing changes as a result.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Do you see this leading to some type of prosecution?
unidentified		You know, maybe even grand jury?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What, you know, maybe, and I will say this, Trump got arrested, you know?
		They arrested Donald Trump several times.
		They arrested his lawyers.
		So maybe they might actually go after Obama or Comey.
		I mean, they said they're investigating him.
		And the question is, does Trump have the willpower and does Trump want revenge or is this just big one puppet show to keep us distracted as they do a bunch of other weird stuff around the world and, you know.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And who ends up with the better mugshot, Trump or Obama?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It depends on what you mean by better.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, Trump got to hang his on the White House wall.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		That's not the Oval Office.
		But that's not it.
		Did he hang the actual mugshot?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's where it is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I went to the White House not that long ago.
		And the picture that Trump got, his presidential photograph, just looks identical to the mugshot.
		And I'm like, I think he did it on purpose.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They gave him trace paper and just had him trace over it.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Dramatic lighting and that like raised eyebrow stern.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		He also looks thinner than, like, he looks thinner in that photo than he was.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about these 220 pounds.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What did you say?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you call it a Svelte 220?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Svelte 220 pounds, mind you.
unidentified		Firm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to show you guys this.
		We have a video.
		This is from 2016.
		Listen to this.
chris wallace ▲ ● ▼		According to the Washington Post, the CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the election to help you win the presidency.
chris wallace ▲ ● ▼		Your reaction?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I think it's ridiculous.
		I think it's just another excuse.
		I don't believe it.
		I don't know why.
		And I think it's just, you know, they talked about all sorts of things.
		Every week it's another excuse.
		We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College.
		I guess the final numbers are now at 306 and she, you know, down to a very low number.
		No, I don't believe that at all.
		You say you don't know why.
		Do you think that the CIA is trying to turn over the result of the election?
		No, I don't believe that.
unidentified		You're not going to catch them in the act.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to catch them.
unidentified		They have no idea if it's Russia or China or somebody.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		It could be somebody sitting in a bed somewhere.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they have no idea.
chris wallace ▲ ● ▼		So why would the CIA put out this story that the Russians wanted you to put out?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure they put it out.
		I think the Democrats are putting it out because they suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics in this country.
		And frankly, I think they're putting it out.
		And it's ridiculous.
		We had to get back to making America great again, which is what we're going to do.
unidentified		And we've already started the process.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I love how he says, like, to Trump, the CIA doing something wrong, like, that's a completely incredulous idea.
unidentified		Well, at the time it was a new idea.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know where this falls on the timeline, this like news hit, but I'm just reminded of the big mic drop moment in that second presidential debate in 2016 between Trump and Hillary, where he says, maybe someone say tongue in cheek, like you'd be in jail if I were in power, if I were, you know.
		uh in office you would face criminal consequences for your private email servers while secretary of state and it was like this big like oh like he really just said that but then um he got into office and like that that didn't happen.
		And she didn't get arrested the first time for the same reason that she's not going to get arrested now that there's evidence for the same reason that there's a little handshake between Trump and the deep state about the Epstein files now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what's the point of all this declassification and the release if they don't intend to actually go after, go after anyone?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, just declassify all the other shit so that people stop asking about Epstein, I guess.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Distraction.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Keep the base happy.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, certainly not.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		This is a woman who wrote her dissertation on rules for radicals.
		And yet there are people at my company who still will refuse to believe that, you know, she had any part in this.
		No matter what you show them, they would, you know, swear to you that Santa Claus is real before they would possibly believe that Hillary Clinton could do something wrong.
		So I don't think there's, you know, anything that's going to come out of this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I still don't agree.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think the gate is debunked.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, but look at that video with, um, who was that, uh, Stephanopoulos?
		I can't remember this guy.
		Was, is he still on TV and Fox?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Matthews?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Is that Matthews there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, this guy, George Stephanopoulos.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's, uh, Matthews in this video.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's Chris Matthews.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's Chris Matthews, man.
		Oh, you're right.
		Man, I don't know who these guys are.
		They're ancient.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		They do look alike though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, Chris Matthews.
		Okay.
		They, like as Brett brought up, the shock.
		But what do you mean the CIA did something wrong?
unidentified		Eh?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not them.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, never.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even if we want to go back more recently, NSA spying scandal was like three years before that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm tweeting that.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		The Gulf of Tonga.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like, oh my goodness.
		As if Hollywood hasn't been making movies about all the awful things the CIA has been doing for the last twenty years.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The CIA is like, who little me?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're like this.
		And I think to your point, I think you're right.
		Like the the issue here is that it doesn't actually matter what the truth is because.
		because ten gazillion people ran with the Russia Games Chris Wallace.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		And I'm just going to say, yeah, I don't know where Matthews is.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Nobody knows Chris Wallace.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Chris Wallace.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Fox host one Fox host.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		This was like ages ago.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Like one of those guys.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But the point is, is like the damage is done.
		They did the reporting.
		They they claimed that he was colluding with Russia and the worst person you know and you're and your highly liberal aunt all believe it.
		And they ruined a lot of friendships and a lot of relationships running something that they knew was a lie.
		And as you said, there are plenty of people, even as you're not just talking about what they think about Trump, they couldn't imagine a world where Hillary Clinton was evil, despite the fact that the rest of the world knows that.
		she's pretty evil.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I want to just make sure I include this other document.
		This is the 2020 ICA, which says, acting on President Obama's orders, DCIA Brennan directed a full review and publication of raw human intelligence information that had been collected before the election.
		CIA officials said that some of this information had been held on the orders of the DCIA, while other reporting had been judged by experienced CIA officials to have not met longstanding publication standards.
		Some of the latter was unclear or from unknown sub sources, but would nonetheless be published after the election over the objections of veteran officials on the orders of DCIA.A and cited in the ICA to support the claims that Putin aspired to help Trump win.
		It was all one big scam and it was Obama and Hillary.
		And I'm going to say it again, as I said before, I think this, likely what was going on is the Clinton Foundation was taking hundreds of millions of dollars.
		I wonder where that money was coming from when Hillary Clinton lost the election.
		The money stopped coming in.
		So the presumption many people make is that her private server was collect was the was the was the how they communicated for this illicit transfer of funds of US government policy private bribery you can call it.
		And then when they said we want to see the server, Hillary Clinton had it destroyed, irretrievable, and phones smashed with hammers.
		I think they went after Trump because they were like, we're in trouble.
		He's going to start going after this stuff.
		This is what they do.
		They have to go after Trump first so that if Trump responds in any way, they'll say, see, Trump is only doing this because we did this.
		Now take a look at the Epstein story.
		People keep saying that Donald Trump is distracting from Epstein.
		Despite the fact the Obama...
		Don't get me wrong.
		Pam Bondi, the DOJ, they've been screwing us this one up, this one up royally and Trump is acting real weird about it, I'll give you that.
		But he's not distracting from it because these documents were getting released and the conversation was happening well before the Epstein stuff happened.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Obama has one thing going for him.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There's no photos of him and Epstein.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's good for him.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's got that going for him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a lot of other people like, well, like Howard Stern.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bill Gates.
		Oh, Bill Clinton.
		You think Hillary went to with Bill?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Wait, was that, was there ever actually that picture of Bill in the dress set?
		Little Saint James.
		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's real.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, maybe Hillary bought that and brought it home.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Wait, a photograph or an illustration?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Painting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's weird.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		But there were just all of these cameras there for no reason.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		The one that Epstein had in his apartment, famously, correct?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was on his island.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		On his island.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he also had George W. Bush with two, like, little towers.
		He was throwing paper airplanes at him.
		So, like, the 9-11 truth women went, like, that proves it!
		Epstein and the two towers or whatever.
		Can I pull these up?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I didn't hear about that one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		George.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's just it's such a disgrace and it's so obvious like it doesn't even need to be said But people are still denying reality Which part the the whole it's not even a mishandling of the Epstein Files situation.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's very intentional what they're doing, and I feel malicious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		George W. Bush with two paper airplanes and two toppled Jenga towers.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was in Epstein's Island.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's creepy.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That is really creepy.
unidentified		Yup.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, here's the, look at this.
		I got the Bill Clinton in the blue dress.
		Let's pull this one up.
		Let's disturb the audience.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That was so wild.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		This is my first time seeing the other one.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Do we think Monica Lewinsky worked for Mossad?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Why?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, she worked for Mossad.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Bro, this story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Chucky Cheese worked for Mossad.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Or at the very least that she worked for some intelligence agency and purposefully was gathering blackmail on him.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Why?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But it came out, right?
		So it doesn't really matter.
		Like, wouldn't the whole point be that it doesn't come out, that she gathers the intellect or uses her feminine wiles to blackmail him?
		And then the whole point is to keep it out of the public, not have it leak to the public.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think she's smart enough.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, then Mossad needs to change their hiring practices if that's what they're doing.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		It does kind of show you this Orwellian society that we're living in, though, when you think of people like Saul Alinsky, George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and just the lack of general information that people have about who these individuals are and this power apparatus that exists behind the Soros Foundation was involved.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were communicating over this stuff, which is weird.
		And everybody who brought up Soros was called a conspiracy theorist.
		I'll tell you guys, you want something interesting?
		When we first booked Mike Benz, who's been calling out USAID and all this stuff for a long time, I got spam blasted by weird liberals telling me that I shouldn't have him on the show.
		And I'm like, what?
		Like, why are you DMing me, bro?
		This is weird.
		They were panicked and desperate that we would not bring Mike on the show.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		He comes with endless receipts.
unidentified		Perhaps.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's funny that you mentioned it too, that you said that Hillary Clinton, she wrote her dissertation on rules for radicals.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And what he mentioned was that they started accusing Trump of all this stuff because it dirties them up so that they can't have accusations thrown back at them, which is just right out of the playbook.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Right out of the playbook, yeah, that's why I brought it up, yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's that's very depressing.
		And it is true also that we live in an age now as the internet becomes more prevalent that it's going to be, it's your parents and your grandparents that have this kind of a higher definition of what a politician might be because they were fed years of propaganda from mainstream media outlets depending on whether they were left or right,
		whether it was Fox telling you that Democrats were evil or CNN telling you that Republicans were evil and the rest of us who have moved on to greener pastures getting their information from other places or just have any level of common sense, understand that pretty much all politicians are awful on some level.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's basically Democrats and Republicans for me is tantamount to, you know, Santa Claus and Mr. Bunny at this point.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this next part of the story.
		We have a post from DNI Tulsi Gabbard, new whistleblower reveals how they were threatened by a supervisor to go along with the Obama directed Russia hoax intelligence assessment even though they knew it was not credible or accurate the whistleblower refused yesterday we released the whistleblower's firsthand account of what happened in the crafting of the january 27 i 2017 ice a their years-long effort to expose the agreed manipulation and manufacturing of intelligence carried out the highest carried
		out at the highest levels of government and the intelligence community detailed in our previous releases and how they were repeatedly ignored thank you to the courage to this courageous whistleblower and others who are coming forward now putting their own well-being on the line to defend our democratic republic ensure the American people know the truth and hold those responsible accountable.
		So we have the whistleblower's explosive story and evidence, Tulsi Gabbard says here.
		And so there's a lot to break down.
		It's 19 pages.
		I'm not going to go through the full thing, but we do have this.
		This is from the Federalist.
		Clapper crew threatened whistleblower who refused to sign off on fabricated intelligence assessment.
		A crony of then DNI James Clapper threatened to withhold a promotion from a senior intelligence official unless he concurred in the fake intelligence community assessment on Russia's meddling in the 2016 election.
		Notes obtained by the Federalist show the notes made public for the first time today recount a conversation the top analyst in the office of the Director of National Intelligence had with an unnamed superior who worked closely with then Director James Clapper.
		The release of the notes represents the latest cache of documents declassified by the Trump administration official concerning the ICA.
		This is what we understand.
		According to a person familiar with the notes, the analyst documented his recollection of the conversation on March 31, 2023, more than six years after the conversation occurred.
		The delay, the Federalist source explained, occurred because the analyst's efforts to share his concerns first with the Inspector General of the IC and then later with Special Counsel John Durham and Virginia Senator Mark Warner proved unsuccessful.
		Only later did the analyst.
		receive an inquiry for more information about his claims, leading to the drafting of the summary of his recollections.
		Well, there you go.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I saw up there it mentioned the steel dossier.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So this is connected to everything that was in that intelligence packet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Steel dossier was just OPPO research fake garbage, and they passed it off as real to go after Trump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think this might be the biggest political conspiracy or scandal in the history of this country.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It won't matter because in two days the internet will have moved on from it, and that's the sad part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe we've been on the story for a few weeks now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've been on the story actually for months if you're talking about the statements made by Cash Patel and, you know, further made by Dan Bonjino later on.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I feel like, but with the amount of information that comes out every day, people are going to start kind of judging these things on who actually is punished as opposed to all of the details coming out because you can have all the information in the world.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		If nobody's held accountable, it doesn't really matter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And there are a lot of people that don't think anything's going to happen, but I'm not, I'm not so, I'm not convinced nothing's going to happen.
		And, and I'll put it this way, if something does happen, it just will feel like nothing.
		Like, yeah, when, when, when we say nothing ever happens or nothing ever changes, Trump did get arrested several times.
		He did lose in court several times.
		And so he did get arrested.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think people think that nothing ever.
		Nothing ever happens the other way.
		Nothing ever changes the other way.
		Democrats are never held responsible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, but that sounds like a cop out.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, maybe on like the state level, like those who are attacking ICE agents might actually get arrested.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But at the federal level, it doesn't feel like, and I think when people think of that, that idea, they're thinking of the Clintons, they're thinking of the Obamas, they're thinking of the Bidens.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have a poll up and the question is, Obama will be charged, the options are Obama will be charged or nothing will happen and nothing ever happens is at 63 percent.
		Defeating Obama will be charged.
		So even with all of this, the expectation for most people is that nothing will change.
		If that's the case, what are we doing here?
		What do, like, honest question, if the reality is most people are black pilled on this issue, why don't we all talk about to football?
		You know?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I think there's this underlying hope that the system could change.
		I know deep down inside, I mean, I have this naive hope that the system can change if enough people are made aware.
		Do I think people like Clapper and guys like John Brennan are going to be held accountable?
		No, I think they might be held out there, but I don't, I question how accountable they could be held given that they know, I mean, where the bodies have been buried for how many years, going back all the way to the Bush administration and really even before that.
		And so, you know, they have a lot of ammunition on their side as well.
		But the more people become aware of what's going on, then the more people can take an active role in potentially changing the system, right?
		It starts with information.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mary, do you care about this?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		On the broad scale, yes, because I think that the right decision isn't just to disengage from politics altogether, obviously.
		Although I think that Trump's victory and the last six months have actually made people on the right more complacent and it's made them disengage because they haven't been delivered what they were promised.
		And I think the path forward is actually to just start imagining what this ideological side, if you want to call it that, should look like past the point of Trump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do you care about Hillary Clinton in 2016 accusing Trump of colluding with the Russians?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, and I don't think Trump does either, to be honest.
		So that he was talking about getting retribution.
		And he has the option, he has the ability to do that, and he doesn't care to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, do you care?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I care more about this information coming out in its entirety to people that don't know it than I do about them actually being prosecuted.
		I would rather see people who have kind of lived under the lie of these people, of this being some ridiculous movie of good and evil, where one side is good and one side is evil, and the side they happen to support just happen to be the good guys.
		I would rather see people who aren't currently awake to the evils of both sides.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The reason why I ask is because.
		Because my theory as to why nothing ever changes is because you need only stall a development for a year or two before there's no longer any will behind it.
		So when this stuff first happens, everybody's like, whoa, this is BS.
		The Trump campaign's furious.
		You saw Trump on TV saying the Democrats are putting this out.
		It's not real.
		And the conservatives supported Trump were angry.
		They were being smeared.
		They got called white supremacists.
		It's been almost 10 years.
		It's been just about nine years, shy of nine years.
		And so...
		There's no coalition anymore.
		Young people who are...
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I was 15, 16.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So right now, Trump is putting out information asking a bunch of, let's just say, 15 to 20 year olds to care about this fight as they're entering the political arena.
		And people who are older are probably like, dude, this is 10 years ago, okay?
		What's going on right now with jobs and the economy and the interest rates?
		And so that's why it's so hard to get accountability because the criminals are like, we only need to stall for a couple of years and then there will be no political will to go over this.
		And what are the Democrats going to say?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You're focused on the past, I'mve kind of come to that sentiment with a lot of things recently, not just with this story, but with most things that involve the Culture War, which is like, I'm focused on my life, like getting married, starting a family and all the things that I can control, and the rest of it just kind of feels like, look, this is out of my control, and putting an extreme amount of focus on it just ends up hurting me.
		And there was a time, perhaps, when phones were new to your pocket and everybody started taking politics very seriously as some type of team sport mentality, where it really resonated with people.
		And now people are like, well, I can't afford a home.
		The interest rate, you know, everything is impossisible to jobs are scarce for a lot of people.
		Buying a home is impossible for the next generation.
		I got a lot of back, a black pilling when it comes to that part of society.
		Maybe the focus needs to go back there rather than this stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do have to admit, I am rather, what's the right word?
		Entertained when I go on Instagram and I'm looking at the stories from like friends of mine from I've known for decades.
		And these are people who just like, have never been involved in politics.
		And now it's like, I'll click their story and it's just Gaza, like seven hundred stories about Gaza.
		And I'm like, well, I can see what current trend is, you know, what current issue is in current year because I know it's going to happen.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Three or four months it's going to change and the posts are all going to be about some other trending issue meaning that those people like a couple of years ago they were posting Ukraine stories and oh yeah yeah and then before that it was like Spice Girls.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think you skipped a decade or two there.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, those are millennials.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're all they're all posting weird drama, stupid stuff.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Depending on what you're saying, there was nothing before.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It was it was it was Gaza, Ukraine and so on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Didn't Spice Girls do like a tour recently?
unidentified		I have no idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not joking., they're posting about Spice Girls.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I feel like we would have known that.
unidentified		I think we're not doing our job.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're planning a tour in 2026.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The 30th anniversary.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's that's gonna be an embarrassment just like NSYNC and Baxter's report.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		See, we need to get we need to get back to that type of corporate feminism, that's what we really need.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Corporate backed, like where only the big twenty nineteen, I was right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so Spice World twenty nineteen, that's exactly what I was talking about.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		During COVID?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This was just before COVID.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's why.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Nobody, nobody, nobody, it's COVID.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow, look at that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But Posh wasn't there.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, then it's not a Spice Girls tour.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		She was the biggest of all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like millennials being like, can you believe the spice girls are back?
		And they're posting that on Instagram.
		And then COVID happened, everyone's brains turned to jello.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've never recovered from that, that weird cultural shock to the system.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And everybody just being awful to each other on Facebook during COVID for a myriad of reasons.
unidentified		Yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		What are the expectations?
		I mean, when you say like that the one side has gone complacent, what are the expectations that didn't get met?
		I'm just curious where you're going.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		So many.
		I mean, maybe I'm just speaking for myself and I shouldn't say that I represent this huge swath of people, but I like, could not be more disappointed with Trump.
		I mean, it's just Cruel joke after cruel joke at this point.
		He's thinking of pardoning Diddy.
		More money for Ukraine, more money for Israel.
		We're bombing Iran, expanding a new visa program for foreign illegal aliens.
		And it just keeps getting worse and worse.
		And then you add the Epstein scandal on top of all that, and it's just wrapped in a little boat.
		And I'm I couldn't be more disappointed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said mean things about Hillary Clinton, you know.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I wouldn't be bothered by it if he kept Hillary Clinton and Obama criminally accountable for their actions.
		I don't think he will.
		will, it wouldn't bother me, but it would feel a little self-indulgent and it would feel like a huge distraction from what people really care about.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, kind of to your point, I mean, but, you know, in terms of people being focused on, you know, what they can control, wouldn't you say that things are a lot better than where they were, say, just two years ago under Joe Biden in terms of ability to have, you know, that kind of impact over your own personal domain in terms of your own civil liberties and ability to make choices and engage in the economy and, you know, and have your free speech restored and things of that nature.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think you could give Elon Musk more credit for restoring free speech and big tech platforms than Trump, but can you be specific about that?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I just think the culture has shifted back more to the middle where you know, you're not walking on eggshells over everything you say.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		We're not seeing as many, you know, men playing women's sports and you know, kind of this.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's I just feel like the right is like desperate for something that appears to be a huge W. And what do you mean?
		And the deregulation and, you know, with what you said about woke, basically, I don't actually agree that woke is dead, as everyone is saying.
		I think that it actually disguised itself more cleverly and it's just covert.
		woke now.
		And we don't even know that we're woke.
		It's just sort of a software update that everyone went through.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like we are woke.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe not us in this room, but society has been dragged over to a level of wokeness that we're not going to return back from.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which I agree with you.
		I'm going to jump into the story to get into the core of this.
		This is from MSN.
		Spotify introduces face scanning age checks for UK users as some furious fans threaten to return to piracy.
		So here's what I think is happening.
		I think that woke has been routed and we've pushed it back and you're seeing now like the Sydney Sweeney ad plus that Dunkin' Donuts.
		Was it Dunkin' Donuts?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Dunkin' Donuts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where he's like, I got good jeans and everyone's like, he's racist.
		But here's what I think is happening.
		The powers that be, whether, you know, the international interests of the corporations, I imagine that they got together and said, guys, this force, this cultural force using racism stuff didn't work in getting people controlled.
		Let's give baby their bottle.
		But we are then going to go to the conservative woke route, which is, won't you think about the children?
		We have to protect the children.
		We have no choice.
		So then they passed these bills saying, if you're going to buy porn, you need an ID.
		And we all agree with it.
		Like, yeah, of course.
		Nobody should be.
		I agree with that.
		Then they say, oh, okay.
		Oh, and by the way, it means anything that is ever considered explicit now requires a face scan and ID.
		So now Spotify is face scanning people.
		What happens next?
		This is worse than woke.
		It's one thing if you said a naughty word on the internet and got banned from that platform, but you weren't banned from the other platform.
		Sometimes they didn't collude.
		What's happening now is social credit scores are starting to pop up through these kinds of systems.
		And we're seeing it happen in the UK.
		And I will tell you, they're the canary in the coal mine.
		That's the country where they were arresting people and are arresting people.
		We can claim cultural victories, but we've had these laws passed at state level that we've largely agreed with.
		Like, hey, it's a good thing that the kids' porn hub being banned.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now what's happening is they're going to go, Visa and Mastercard have banned something around, what is it like, twenty thousand games?
		And the argument is, oh, but it's because they're porn.
		Apparently most, many of them, thousands maybe weren't even porn.
		It was just adult themed games, perhaps like GTA, which was the target of this.
		They're going to go through payment processors.
		They've always tried debanking.
		We may have won on some cultural grounds where what we describe as woke has been pushed back, but the censorship industrial complex is just trying to find new ways to control what we can think, what we can see and what we can purchase.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And now YouTube is going the age verification route with eighteen plus right after they suddenly started pushing shorts heavily meaning that kids are the ones who spend hours a day glued to their phone looking at this is it's going to destroy um most independent creators When they age get your content, your views drop by something like 60, 70 percent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's not because the video is being served to children and they're saying, no, you kids, you can't watch this.
		It's because people don't sign up.
		And if you're not signed up, you can't watch content they deem to be age inappropriate.
		That means the front page of YouTube is going to be Mr. B. There's going to be five big shows that are approved by YouTube.
		That means news and politics will be gated and that means the average person will not be able to watch shows about politics and that's exactly what they want.
		They want you to go back to sleep, America.
		Your government is in control once again.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's American Gladiators.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's forty channels of it.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		No, I think these are all great points.
		I'm just making the point that our political freedom only goes as far as our economic freedom.
		And so we are still really early on in, you know, in Trump's second term.
		And so if home ownership rates start to go up and MA activity has already picked up and IPO activity is going up starting to uptick and things are on the uptrend, then I would say that that's definitely a move in the right direction from where we are.
		Because if you don't have your economy, you have nothing.
		You don't have opportunity.
		I mean, that's what makes us Americans is that's the life bread of our society is our innovation.
		And so, and I think it's too early to really make a call there on Trump's second term.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel things have been done with the tariffs?
		I know that that's been a conversation that's come back up the last couple of days.
		Do you think the tariffs were a good idea?
unidentified		I do.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I think we're bringing in a lot of revenue so far in the tariffs.
		And I think it's kind of allowed us to take control back on the global stage.
		I think it's too early to say because we have to see if the GOP is really going to follow up the big, beautiful bill with some, you know, more resision packages to try to get the debt under control.
		And if that's going to be a starting point or an end point, I'm just making the case that I think it's too early into a second term to call it a W or an L yet.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think that also has to do with the life cycle of the news being if you're on the internet a lot and you're just blasted with news every single day, like not as much time has passed as people feel because what is actually six months feels like ten years sometimes.
		Sometimes because you're reading nonstop news every day.
		But the tariffs was one of the funniest examples for me of, like, when you hear about, like, I support the current thing, was like, I saw signs in local businesses talking about tariffs.
		And I was like, you just know that the people who read those, like, they had to look up what a tariff was just to make sure that they were on the right side of whatever the issue was to the people that they're fighting with.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like, explain in pop terms.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to add to what we were talking about with YouTube.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Users on YouTube who believe that their AI age verification system is incorrect are supposed to verify theiry their age by uploading a government ID or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That they'll have permanent.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That all goes into their database.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then you're going to start getting weird emails for services and stuff.
		And you're going to be like, oh, what are they messaging me?
		How did they get that email?
		How do they know who I am?
		And Google is going to use it to train their AI.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then the machine will know your face.
		See, the thing is, I've said this, in the real world, if you go to an adult bookstore, you show your ID, right?
		So why would we let kids on the internet do whatever they want, like an X?
		The difference with the internet is they're telling you to upload your personal information permanently.
		And so they're going to have your stuff on file.
		And then, you know what this is?
		It's a problem reaction solution.
		They're going to come back and say, okay, you're right, you're right going to have a third party company will, will assure us that you're verified, so we will never hold your data.
		The third party company can then ban you for naughty words.
		And then when you go to the grocery store and you're like, Yeah, here's my groceries.
		They'll be like, Yeah, just, you know, scan your credit card right then you'll tap it and it'll say, Bam, banned.
		And they'll be like, We use age verification third party app and they're saying that you're a banned user so we can't verify with them.
		And that's what we use.
		Sorry, you can't shop here.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And the third party is Palantir.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh snap.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Just construct all the data.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		All the data about American citizens that existed in each individual federal department., which is just yet another disappointment that I've found.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying I got to buy some Palantir stock.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The first thing I did after that first Palantir stock story was to buy Palantir stock.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I told you I told you guys this story that Ian bro, he busted into my So when I had the studio in front of the castle, like when we first did, like five years ago, yeah, it was like five years ago, Ian slammed it open like Kramer, he's like, dude, you gotta invest in Palantir right now.
		I think it was at like $14 or $150 now.
		And I was like, why?
		I've heard of it, I don't know.
		He's like, dude, it's like this government, like database tracking, like prediction stuff, and it's gonna be huge.
		And I was like, I don't know, Ian, this is crazy.
		What are you talking about?
		Buying Palantir.r.
		And so I didn't.
		But then I remember one day Ian was like, dude, graphene.
		And I'm like, okay, you know what?
		I'm buying a bunch of graphene stock.
		And so I looked up companies that make graphene products and I bought stock and I made like 100 grand.
		Yeah, I'm not kidding.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		He's a seer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
		Like, but he sounds crazy, so nobody wants to believe him.
		He looks crazy.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's his struggle.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, the problem is if it looks crazy and walks crazy, the chances are it's crazy, but then Ian's actually right.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Also, this is like Spotify is introducing Atrix.
		Why?
		Because of like parental advisory music.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They could.
		These companies could literally just say.
		So we have the principal service and if you want anything deemed explicit, you can then opt for that, right?
		So if you go on Spotify and you want to listen like EZE as he raps about injuring LGBTQ people with pistols in their genitals, which he did, maybe you just need to say, I want to listen to explicit content and they say, okay, you got proof you are.
		The problem then is they're creating databases.
		But the point I'm making is they're not doing that.
		They're just saying, everybody, no matter what, needs to face scan and verify because they want your data.
		These big tech companies are like, oh no, I guess we have no choice.
		They collect your data and now they can sell it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But Tim, there was a vibe shift in Mark Zuckerberg.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		got a haircut.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, did he get a haircut?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		He's got a broccoli haircut.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You got a haircut, I'm not mad anymore.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Here's another trick.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		We're losing our sovereignty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mark, my phone number is 850, I'm joking.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		We're two votes away from losing our sovereignty.
		I mean, if not for Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin, right, like we would have lost our rights essentially as US citizens because it was just going to be just it would have been endless open borders in terms of having to show a voter ID when you vote.
		Wait, they voted They voted against it.
		They did not go along when the Democrats were trying to pass that bill.
		But it's not a problem.
		That's how close we were to the end.
		And so this seems like very minor in comparison to where we were.
		And I feel like, you know, our memories, we have a very short That's a good point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We were two votes away from Democrats.
		Well, it was banning voter ID, right?
		It was making it so that anyone could just Yes, exactly.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Anyone can just vote, can just walk in there and just say they're It's largely allowed as a Democrat.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I'm Tim Poole and I'm going to vote and that would have been the end of our sovereign system as we know it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump apparently wants a new census early.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're talking about trying to push that through so they can get illegal immigrants off of these.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So they can take some seats away from California.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Texas is trying to take away five Democrat seats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		See this?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		So those are big victories that further empowered the US citizen.
		I think closing, closing the borders.
		I think there's a lot of wins that we're kind of taking for granted.
		I think technology is just kind of going where it was going, regardless of who the, you know, which political party was in power.
		So that's just my take on it.
		I think it's too early to declare it a loss or a win yet at this point.
		It's Trump's second.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do want to jump to this story.
		This is from Tom's guide.
		YouTube's new AI age verification is coming soon.
		Here's what's going to change.
		AI will assess whether an account belongs to an adult or teen.
		YouTube's going to start relying on AI to determine whether or not an account belongs to a teen or an adult and take action as a result.
		In a recent blog post, YouTube announced machine learning would interpret a variety of signals that help us determine whether a user is over or under 18.
		My advice to 17-year-olds is just watch as much news as you can between whatever it is you actually want to watch.
		If the A believes the account is being operated by a teen, it will automatically apply age appropriate protections disable, disable, disable personalized advertising, turning on digital wellbeing tools.
		Oh, that sounds creepy.
		Adding safeguards to recommendations, including limiting repetitive views of some kinds of content.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Meaning that it will be like you've watched too much of this guy's content, time to show you something else.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's actually YouTube saying, hey there kid, I think you've had a bit too much to think.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Move on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So how does it work?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		They will, if they suspect a user is underage, make restrictions like disabling personalized ads and activating digital wellbeing tools.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mary needs those.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So what is a digital wellbeing tool?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like a paperclip pops up and asks you how you're feeling.
unidentified		How do you feel?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		It's like I don't have any parental advisory stickers or needing to be aged.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's worse.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I've never bought a Playboy, you know, when I was a kid, something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, like on YouTube?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		No, just like going into a convenience store, not to age myself and buy a Playboy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Show your ID.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You show your ID for one second.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't take a copy of it, put it in their binder and then say, I'm going to hold on to it forever.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Because they didn't have the ability to do so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They did.
		They could have put your ID on a fax machine, on a copying machine.
		But they wouldn't.
		They didn't do it.
		People got mad when they do that.
		There's that scene from Atlanta, you know, talking about the show, Atlanta.
		Yeah, where he goes to the movie theater and he's like, you know, I want to buy a ticket and they're like, okay, here's a bunch of costs and he hands the credit card and they go, we need ID.
		And he's like, okay.
		And he shows the ID and they go, we're going to have to copy this.
		He's like, what?
		I'm not, you're not getting a copy of my ID.
		And then he walks away and the white guy walks up and then does the same thing.
		And they're like, wait, what's going on?
		He's racist or whatever.
		But, you know, aside from the weird narrative of Atlanta, it is rare that someone at a store would tell would take your idea and copy it and put it in a binder that they're going to keep forever and say, We might lose it, but that's your problem.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They do have the 16 plus requirements to go to the movies by us out here.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like after a certain time, you have to be over a certain age to go to the movies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's probably because the kids are throwing popcorn.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Minecraft did it.
		What were you saying, Mary?
		You said you saw something.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I tried to see what digital wellbeing tools they have.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		They have reminders to take a break and bedtime reminders.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Instagram's had that for a while.
unidentified		Like you have to activate it yourself.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And also, if we're talking about Instagram and Meta, they have been proven time and time time again to purposefully target underage accounts with more sexual content than the rest of their user base.
		I think it was the Wall Street Journal that has released multiple reports about that, and they've tested it extensively.
		If you're an account on Instagram that is thirteen years old, identified as thirteen years old, you're immediately going to be fed more sexually suggestive content, usually pages that funnel into only fans accounts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the ID thing is a Trojan horse, as we're seeing it applied now, the age verification thing.
		Again, they tried to go the woke route of don't be racist..
		You're not racist, are you?
		And people resist it.
		And screw you, I'm not racist.
		You're not banning me.
		So now they're going the other route of, oh, the children at Ruskin' Conservatives are on board with that one.
		And that's the way towards creating systems of control and social credit systems.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I feel like the future is in making both sides angry.
		That's how I felt about the Sydney Sweeney one, because there's people on the right that were mad because of Bubs.
		Yeah.
		Well, yeah, dad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they were like, children, don't look.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And then the people on the left are mad because it's white supremacy.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So really, you want to shoot for making everybody mad.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		So it's a Hegelian dialectic, basically.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Make everybody angry?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, another trick is that, uh, suddenly no one in TSA is worried you're going to hide a bomb in your shoe anymore.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		So you don't have to take your shoes off as long as you get the real ID.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Or TSA preaches.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't fly without it anyway.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, you can fly domestically without it up until, what was it, May this year?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		May.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was an extension.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Now you have to have it somewhere in May.
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, also the story I told you earlier.
		So I did, uh, my passport expired a long time ago.
		I had to get a new passport.
		When I went in to do that at the post office, I brought a, like, a certified copy of my passport and a copy of my passport.
		One that blatantly says, like, copy on the top of it.
		And they said they needed a certified copy, but the certified copy looksoks very different from a regular passport.
		It doesn't have all the same information on it.
		And the guy looks at the one that says copy, looks it up and down, uses that one, takes it with him.
		And I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm screwed.
		Like this guy, like, it went through.
		Like, I got my passport.
		And I'm like, so on one hand I'm happy because I didn't have to like, apply for like an extension and like, an expedited passport.
		On the other hand, they looked at this document and were like, yeah, that's fine.
		Rubber stamped it and sent it through.
		Like, that's bad either way.
unidentified		That's true.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's still the government.
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it's the government.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, with the UK, it's the online safety act.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of the funniest things about this story is that to get past the face scanning, people are using Norman Reedus from Death Stranding.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I saw that.
		That's right.
		Is it so lifelike?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just because you can control the face and make him open his mouth and move.
		And so it's like, it doesn't work anyway, but they're creating a database.
		And I think the play is get conservatives on board with it by saying it's for the kids and then create this ID database where everybody is going online has to submit their ID.
		X did it.
		And the right smiled as they submitted their IDs.
unidentified		I did it.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Everyone with a blue check did it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Norman Reedis, they're about to finish the Daryl Dixon walking down dead, he's gonna be able to cut his hair for like the first time in twenty years.
		Hey, there he goes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, on X, Elon takes it over.
		I believe this is a timeline, brings people back, then says, we're gonna roll up monetization.
		Everybody starts getting these big payouts and they're like, this is crazy, I'm getting thousands of dollars, you know, every other, what the heck?
		Some people were getting like thirty grand in two weeks.
		It was nuts.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think there was a little bit of payola involved there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Or they were willing to have a kid with a child.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And they were posting those screenshots saying, in the interest of transparency, literally all of them were scripted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't just women.
		Well, so perhaps it was payola, because then what happens next is everybody's all excited about monetization.
		But then we abruptly get this notification saying, if you don't submit your ID, you'll lose your blue check.
		And then everyone went, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.
		What?
		I'm getting money here.
		So then people.
		So this is incredible.
		Elon brought the right onto the platform, offered them blue check marks and money along with it.
		Once they all agreed, he says, now we're going to take it away unless you give us your IDs.
		And they all said yes.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So I'm just saying he's been working with George Soros this entire time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know about that, but like the idea that Elon was like, they took away our jokes and it was wrong, so I'm going to buy the platform and then restore freedom of speech is silly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon Musk was like, I want training data for my AI bot.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I don't.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		He said this much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
unidentified		Yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But like, people say, Oh man, the Babylon B, you know, I bet Twitter regrets making that ban because how Elon wanted to buy this well before Babylon B. So the whole Milton Friedman, you know, our economy, that was all an act, getting, you know, paying people a million dollars to read the constitution, all that stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, he became a big disciple of Milton Friedman and, you know, the constitution apparently.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying that data is valuable.
		He wants confirmed data.
		So what I imagine he's doing with X, the reason for verification is he doesn't want unverified profiles feeding the X machine.
		So XAI is being trained on data and he's making sure that only people that they have verified as real humans with IDs are having their data fed into the training model.
		That's probably why he did it.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		So many of those verified accounts are botted anyway.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		X is just such slop now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everything is like this.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Every tweet that has higher interaction, if you look at the replies, it's no actual discourse happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anywhere though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not just X. Like, I got, I'm gonna tell you, I think the comments on every app are fake.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for sure.
		They tailor them specifically to you.
		If you even look at a TikTok and then you send it to your friend who's sitting next to you on the couch and they open the same link and look at the comments, you guys are gonna see totally different top liked comments based on what the algorithm assumes you'll agree with and will interact with.
		Those are totally fake.
		I believe Fortune just published a report that said over half of the comments were fake.
		of online traffic is bots.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's more than that.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Way more than that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's dead internet theory.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It was trending today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think I kind of feel like everybody died a long time ago and I'm only half kidding because I go outside and I'm like where is everybody?
		Honest question.
		I go outside all the time and there's nobody.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean like where like where?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean that they're all staying inside because they're plugged into the internet?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That might be.
		There are some instances where it doesn't feel that way.
		Like I went to the Christmas market in Chicago and it was shoulder to shoulder with people who aren't American.
		And so that was kind of like – Yeah.
		That I'm like, I'm here in Chicago at the Chicago Chris Kringle market and everybody here, they were from Asia.
		It was, it was like the people, they were all tourists and it was shoulder to shoulder, you could barely move.
		I went two years now because we used to go all the time when I lived in Chicago and I'm like, it's all migrant tourists and I'm like, where are the Chicagoans that used to come out and say the bears?
		They never actually did.
		That wasn't true, but it's funny to say anyway.
		And then like I mentioned, I went for the 4th of July and nobody was out doing anything.
		Nobody in the parks, nobody in the fields.
		And I was like, what's what's happened?
		Where is everybody?
		I mentioned this local restaurant went out of business because they couldn't find anybody to work.
		Trying to make food couldn't do it.
		Went out of business.
		Then, you know what I think a big component of this is?
		People didn't have kids.
		And if you don't have kids, you got nothing to do.
		So these, I'll speak to skateboard community because they're a bunch of degenerates.
		30-year-old skateboard guy, he goes, I don't know, man.
		As long as I make enough to pay the rent.
		What's your rent?
		It's like 200 bucks.
		What?
unidentified		How?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I live with like six guys in a one bedroom.
		That's skateboarders.
		And they're unmarried single guys.
		i'm like okay well we need labor done would you want to do a job no i don't need to why i work like 10 hours in the week and then i go skate and then i just beg or just eat scrapsps and it's just like, this is weird.
		People didn't have kids, so they don't have to fight to get resources anymore.
		We're overly wealthy, lazy, and childless.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even before I came here, I was like, I had to work a lot because I wanted to live on my own.
		I didn't want to live with anyone.
		So I had to, I had to work full time.
		But that, the whole point was like, I worked eight hours a day and then spent the rest of the time skating.
		But that's pretty, pretty rare these days.
		Because most people, if they're in that community, they're going to want to go and if they're dedicated to doing it like all the time, they're going to live with people.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Living this bohemian life style.
unidentified		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Drinking coffee.
		How is that desirable though?
		I just don mean, during COVID it was interesting because I mean, then when you go on later in life, like, how is that still desirable to those people?
		I don't understand it.
		Because they Don't you want to lay some roots somewhere?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They're deeply connected to what they're doing.
		It's like if there was an activity that you really, really loved, you know, more so even than someone say, who plays an instrument, who can make time for that any time, right?
		Like you go to work, you come home, you can do that.
		Skating is a little bit different for a lot of people.
		It takes up a lot more of your time because you literally travel to go do it all the time.
		And they're willing to sacrifice a normal life to go out and do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this next story from the Daily Mail.
		Elon Musk makes bold play for an unlikely marriage with three trillion dollar icon.
		Elon Musk has been openly hinting at a historic merger in the business world, suggesting that his company XAI should partner with Apple.
		Musk's company is the corporate face of his popular AI chatbot, Grock, which functions similarly to competitors like GPT, Claude, Gemini, Copilot.
		Meanwhile, Apple has struggled to bring its own AI programs to consumers, notably delaying improvements to the Siri voice assistant.
		Venture capitalists started openly speculating this month that Musk and Apple make the perfect power couple in the AI world with XAI bringing Grock to even more people using iPhones through this proposed partnership.
		On the All In podcast, investor Gavin Baker called XAI's Grock for the best product in terms of ad chatbots right now, but added the best product doesn't always win tech in technology.
		I think there's solid industrial logic for a partnership.
		You could have Apple, Grock, Safe, Grock, whatever you want to call it, said Baker.
		Musk quickly replied to the comments saying, interesting idea.
		The billionaire added, I hope so.
		You want to know why I believe this is possible?
		Why there's a good possibility?
		Because when you pull up Nancy Pelosi's stock trades in May, she put 25 to 50 million dollars in Apple, indicating Apple would be doing something.
		And I'm going to stress this, Apple's got nothing going for it.
		They've they've made the same iPhone every year nonstop for a decade and people are tired of it.
		They're not innovating.
		They're offering up no real new products.
		So why would Nancy Pelosi decide in May that we're going to to to to do this big purchase?
		Not to clarify, this is from a year ago.
		So the report year is 24.
		She filed it a few months ago.
		What has Apple done recently that has any play?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I feel like Phil needs to be here to defend Apple or you can't actually say I'm a Galaxy product.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		It's a sticky product and it could just be that the stock is oversold and I'm not saying that this is the case.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I'm just playing devil's advocate there and saying that there are people who are Apple users like myself who will always be Apple users because it's the Apple universe that you really buy into.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think Apple's cooked.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think that's why she bought it.
		I'm just making the case that she knows something.
		Of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She knows something's going on.
		Perhaps some intelligence came across her desk where there are murmurings of a potential merger between say x or a partnership that would require some congressional oversight or something like this and she was like quick buy apple buy it now A year out, maybe.
		I don't know.
		It's a stretch.
		Maybe not.
		I'm just saying she bought Nvidia.
		She knows what's going on.
		She's got insider information.
		That's what Trump said.
		She goes, I'm not into that.
		My husband is.
		Oh, yeah.
		She tells her husband.
		So he, so her husband goes, anything interesting happened at work today, honey?
		And she goes, Oh, there's the new AI thing.
		Apparently they want to deregulate AI and there's a company called in Nvidia or something.
		And he's like, Real?
		And he's writing.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		He's writing, he's like he's got a notepad full of notes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He has a bug on her lapel.
		He's like, Talk more, honey.
		And then when she gets caught, she's like, I don't know what you were talking about.
		So I don't know, last year she bought between 25 and 50 million dollars worth of Apple.
		But I don't know.
		It's possible that she's, I mean, her net worth is 260 million.
		So 25 to 50 is a good chunk of her net worth.
		Maybe it's the low end.
		That's still a lot, 10% into one company.
		Is that, is that abnormal?
		Big purchase like that.
		You would know better than I would.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is abnormal.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		100%.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Now, okay, that could, that proves it.
		That's it.
		She's doing it.
		Elon, Elon's buying Apple.
		I'm gonna, I'm gonna check Apple stock right now.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can go on, what's that app and you can just follow the Pelosi stock trader, which that's what I'm on right now, quiver quant.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's called the Pelosi strategy.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, you follow her, you would have made 700% over 10 years.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's, it's Nvidia.
		It's Broadcom, Google.
		Apple, Vista, Palo Alto Networks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		See, see, hold on real quick.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Tesla.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		She's like Elon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's got a year to date.
		Apple is down 15%.
		Do we, honest question, I mean, maybe it's just silly and it's meming, but does Nancy Pelosi make bad trades like that?
		When you look at her record, she doesn't.
		She's up 730%, man.
		She's a prophet.
		So she buys into Apple and she's down 15%.
		I don't know.
		I think she knows something.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's girl math.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Girl math.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		She's like really bad at trading.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's her, it's to be fair, it's her husband.
		And because it's their joint net worth, she files this.
		But I'm just wondering, you know, that's a big chunk of her net worth, her and her husband's net worth.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Does Apple have government contracts?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I'm assuming they do have government contracts of some sort.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Looks like you can look at what she bought recently.
		She bought, what is this, Matthews International?
		What is this?
		Oh, she sold.
		Sorry, she sold Matthews International between $15,000 and $50,000.
		Was that on a Friday?
		I don't know.
		July 9th.
		Probably taking some money out to go party over the weekend.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		AVGO Broadcom.
		She bought between $1 and $5 million.
		one and five million dollars on the ninth it's a wednesday it's a wednesday ain't nobody partying on Wednesday maybe she was getting ready for the weekend you know wild night it's DC they can party any day they want no no it's California bro it's well I guess they're in sessions yeah she did buy another uh between quarter and a half million of Nvidia and the same for Google and Tempest AI oh it's really she bought Tempest AI huh Huh?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she got in the heart of Silicon Valley.
		I will say that.
		But the reality is, and I don't know anything about this new bill that got passed.
		But unless that they can prove that they had insider information, it's just been pretty much sand standard operating procedure for insider politicians who have other ancillary knowledge as to what's going on with these companies to then add to their portfolios.
		And that's why so many of them are so wealthy.
		It should be illegal.
		Absolutely, 100% agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Basically, what happens is there will be okay, there's a couple of ways they can do it.
		One is they can introduce legislation.
		They know will damage a company.
		They'll say, if I announce publicly that we are going to regulate this industry, these companies are going to go down.
		Short them now.
		You know, get those shorts ready.
		Then we file this bill or we get some co sponsors.
		We announce it.
		Their stock drops., sell it, we'll drop the bill.
		You never have to actually even pass any legislation or the inverses is possible that they come to him and they say, look, we've got this new bill.
		Lobbyists from these companies have been saying this regulation is a problem for them.
		We want to win the AI race.
		So we're going to be deregulating and it's going to benefit a lot of these companies that make GPUs.
		And then Pelosi goes, oh, oh oh she calls her husband she's like buy nvidia now buy and then she does and she gets like several hundred percent off her investment and then they go that's not insider trading Yeah, they just get to make decisions whether or not a company succeeds or fails.
		And that's not insider trading.
		That's how it works.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's depressing.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly how it works.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why a lot of people were mad about this new Pelosi Act., the preventing elected leaders, what is it preventing investing?
		What is this stupid thing called?
		Pelosi Act, what does that stand for?
		Let me see.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So you know what SHIELD from Agents of SHIELD stands for, but not the Pelosi Act?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Preventing elected leaders from owning securities and investments.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was an F and I was like, what's not Palofsi?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Pelphosi.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		George Carlin said it best.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		It's a big club and you and in it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's the same club they used to beat you over the head with.
		That's what he said.
		Indeed, it is.
		So the funny thing is, Democrats and Holly were on board with this, but Republicans weren't.
		And I was like, what's the problem?
		Like, this is weird.
		Why are the, why are the, why are the, why are the, why are the Democrats saying stop the stock trading and the Republicans say no?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Which Republicans were saying it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rand Paul, for instance.
		You know what it is?
		Like, these guys are like, could you imagine being a freshman member of Congress and you're like, I finally made it.
		And then they go, oh, by the way, you're the last one in.
		We're in a banner.
		No, that's the whole point.
		Do you think I want to work for 175,000 dollars a year?
		It was hard to get here.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But now, uh, they get pensions though, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		They do.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But it's not as nice as being worth whatever she's worth, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		260 million dollars.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Just pure luck.
		Pure luck.
		She's just guesses.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's a prophet.
		Her husband's a prophet, whatever.
		You see her freak out when she was asked about it by Jake Tapper?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		On CNN?
		She was like, Why are you asking me about this?
		You don't need to.
		He tried to play the clip of Trump saying she's inside her trading and all that.
		She got mad and she's like, I don't talk about Medicaid.
		And I was just like, I want to talk about how you're 84 and you should quit.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's like you've made your money.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like you've bled us dry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the creepyest thing about these octogenarians.
		What do they call it?
		A gerontocracy?
		Rule by the old?
		Well, yeah.
		What's crazy to me about all of it is just what is wrong with Nancy Pelosi's brain that she won't leave?
		Like just leave, go away, go away lady, you're 84, bye.
		What's wrong with these people?
		Just get out.
		Why not?
		What's going on there?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		She won, be happy, enjoy retirement, right?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Why do they keep coming back?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that is?
		Why do you think they don't leave?
		You think they just enjoy exerting power over other people?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I do think it has to be some power dynamic because I've been wondering this for a long time.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		People like George Sorority, even people like Trump, right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Access to all the adrenochrome?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's got to be some chemical going on in the brain there that they keep going back to that makes them feel better.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, also, it's like they don't really work that much.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't feel like they're never there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they should.
		I don't get it.
		like you're worth 260 million dollars lady you can eat all the jenny's ice cream in the world right now just just leave And not just her, but a bunch of these other podcasters, Democrat or Republican.
		What is wrong with these people?
		I don't know.
		I'm just society is cooked., kids' brains are cooked, right?
		People aren't working anymore.
		There's no babies.
		Our culture is fractured a million ways.
		And you've got these sociopaths like Pelosi who won't just get out and leave.
		And then with all due respect to the boomers, it's not all boomers, I get it, but boomers hold a disproportionate amount of wealth and they won't give it away.
		I don't expect them to give it away.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They want to spend it.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		They're living longer.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They want to spend it.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		And yes, the great wealth transfer is not unfolding the way they predicted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Gen Z's got nothing.
		They're going to live in pods, eat the bugs and you know what's going to happen?
		Communist revolution.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It was always weird to me when people would say like people will fall in love with free markets once it gets bad enough.
		I'm like, no, no, no, they won't.
		They will, somebody at the government is going to tell them this is how we fix it and they're going to fall in line with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think what's going to happen is, or I should say there's a probability of this, young people are skewing to the right quite a bit, so I would call it cultural revolution.
unidentified		You know, I know that because it's young men that are skewing right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And those are the ones that are going to go nuts.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		The government could never be a solution to the problems.
		I mean, I understand that young people, they don't, they feel like they don't have a stake in the system and so the natural impetus is to turn to it.
		But if you just look at history, government has never been a solution to the problem.
		It never will be a solution to the problem.
		Freer markets and less government involvement is the only viable option.
		So that's kind of what I was alluding to before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		I mean, the market is overly regulated today, but if we were to loosen up regulations, you're not going to remove the multiple homes from the boomer generation.
		They're not going to give them away.
		And so what's likely to happen is, I don't blame boomers for being like, look, I worked hard.
		I've got three houses.
		Screw you.
		They're mine.
		These are my investments.
		I own shares and corporate securities.
		They're mine.
		I paid for them.
		I worked, screw you.
		Well, there's going to be Gen Z guys.
		I think it's going to be a right, it's looking like a right word, cultural revolution, but they're going to take your stuff.
		They don't care what you think.
		And they're going to appropriate it for their cultural revolution.
		And they're going to say they're going to be in their late twenties, these Gen Z guys, and so this could be five, ten years, depending if nothing changes, right?
		And they're going to say, we're expected to have families.
		We're expected to work jobs.
		We're expected to live, but we can't own property anywhere.
		We've got foreign landlords and we've got an older generation that is living too long and they're and they've got multiple homes and they use them when they see fit.
		You are going to get it starts with the DSA, but the problem with the DSA is that they're woke and ineffective.
		Everybody saw that convention they had where they were like, point of personal privilege, my pronouns are actually stop.
		Can you stop clapping?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They were actually doing this when they were saying it too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and people were clapping and they're like, I have anxiety.
		You have to do what I want.
		So young people who are actually just angry because you can't get anything done were like, we're going the right because the left is crazy.
		It doesn't work.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But those are still the same grounds on which the Bolshevik revolution happens.
		For them to do that successfully, they have to have some type of government authority.
		So it would be, no matter what, even if the basis was right, it would be inherently left.
		Otherwise, it's not successful and it gets qualled by those that are in power.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would not be surprised if in like 10 years there was government enforcement that seized assets from boomers and reallocated it.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or put it on the market at lower rates or something.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But that's not left, though.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		It's a left-wing approach to things is to take somebody else's property and redistribute it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just authoritarian.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Authoritarian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Depending on the cultural slant of the individuals as they do it, if they're like white.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Christian, you know, traditionalists who are like, we're going to restore the American dream and the white picket fence, but we're going to need corrective measures, then we would call that right.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But you're not allowing free markets to distribute those resources.
		You are relying on force or the government or some other means to redistribute those resources.
		So that's in that sense, that's an economic scale.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we're talking about like the political compass, for instance, right and left don't necessarily mean free market.
		It just, right and left means traditional or progressive.
		So some people use right and left to mean free market versus socialism, economic.
		That's the economic scale.
		The political scale is just like the fascists, the Nazis are ultra, they're authoritarian traditionalists and the communists were authoritarian progressives.
		So it doesn't matter what string of authoritarianism you get.
		Some might say, well, that's still left.
		Maybe left-leaning, you know, like Hitler wasn't economically right-wing, of course.
		They had a centralized, they had a command economy of sorts.
		They used cultural force to enforce what they wanted in their production.
		But I digress, whether it's left or right is immaterial.
		I think young people, when, you know, the Gen Z today, there's no way a bunch of people in their thirties are going to be like, I am content with living five people in a single unit apartment in New York as the older generation sold us out to illegal immigrants.
		They're going to be like, nah, the power is ours now.
		We inherited this, this country, and we're going to take what we want.
		It doesn't mean that they're going to seize and redistribute like communists.
		I wouldn't be surprised, however, if they say, we're going to take your homes and then put them on a market at a rate per square foot or something like that.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Could it be that productivity just becomes so great as a result of post labor economics and AI that there's no need for any redistribution, that just productivity is so high that it automatically creates a system where people just aren't working because they lose the right to labor anyway because AI is AI is productive in the sense that AI can't build specialty projects, AI can't open businesses, AI can't handle regulation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can, I mean, if the entirety of government went AI and regulation was just handled by machines, theoretically it could be awesome because you don't got to worry about committees, meetings, fines, personal beef.
		Unfortunately, in the short term, it's not going to happen.
		And so the issue I'm facing right now is I ask this question all the time.
		Why is it so hard to get any job done?
		And we've assessed this over and over again.
		We need something built.
		Well, it took.
		It took, why, three years to build this building.
		And that's insane.
		It's a field.
		We owned it.
		Minimal permit requirements took years.
		And the issue is no one wants to work.
		And there's no amount of money you can offer them to work.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That is true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You go, I go to somebody and I say, how much do you want to do this job?
		And they go, I'm busy.
		And I say, sir, certainly there's amount of money that you would take to do this job.
		And they go, I'm busy.
		And I'm like, what?
		I've been, I tell people all the time, we, uh, we're trying, we're trying to get an exterminator.
		We had, we, like, we have a rotating cycle of warring bugs in this building.
		It's frogs now.
		There's like the spring peeper frogs are just dang, dang it.
		It's crazy.
		We had crickets, we had ladybugs, we had stink bugs, we had wasps, now we got mosquitoes.
		And we call the exterminator and they go, three weeks.
		And I'm like, why?
		And he goes, because that's when we want to do it.
		We don't want to come in.
		We don't need it.
		We don't need the money.
		And I'm like, I'm sitting here and wondering why we reach out to so many contractors.
		We reach out to so many people, and they all just say, we don't need it.
		And I'm like, well, is there no workers?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Is that supporting my point though, because a homeless person today has a higher standard of living than, say, the Pharaoh of Egypt.
		People are so spoiled to kind of what you were saying before that.
		And they're kids.
		And so, and that, so if a smaller percentage of the labor force has an exponentially higher level of productivity, there is this potential, I don't know about in the short term, but in the intermediate term where we're living in this era era of UBI and post labor economics where the basic bare means of subsistence are provided for people.
		Then anything beyond that is just the thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's going to be a pod with bugs.
		You're going to be eating mashed bug paste in a pod because they're not going to give you luxury.
		So I was hanging out and we were at this club where they have a fake beach at a lake and I'm frustrated because we can't get people to do jobs.
		It's months out.
		It's weeks out and they want insane amounts of money.
		And I'm watching all these.
		I see all these guys, young men, twenty-year-old guys and they're just sitting there on the beach not working.
		And I'm thinking to myself, we've offered.
		Preferred double rate.
		We've said like, we'll pay you extra.
		We'll pay you double.
		And they go, no, we just don't, I don't need it.
		And I'm thinking to myself, why?
		What has happened socially where people are like me?
		Yeah, they're childless, single young men.
		That's their culture.
		That's a society.
		They don't strive for this.
		And they have no reason to say, I have to make money.
		Like my dad had to work two jobs because he had three kids.
		And so he was like, gotta do a double.
		It has to get done.
		And then I see a ton of people were like, I don't need to work so I won't.
		So my concern now, you've got a lot of people who live in their parents' house still.
		It's not necessarily a bad thing to live with your parents, by the way.
		I actually think culturally and socially, it's probably good., but not when people aren't working or trying to create their own families.
		With no kids, there's no future market.
		That's just a fact.
		So you're not going to sell anything to anybody.
		And as the market begins to shrink, we're going to get, I guess we're going to get deflationary pressures and we're going to get a strain on the economy where I'll put it like this.
		Any ecosystem that reaches equilibrium with its principal organisms and its food supply, the organisms starve to are half starving and suffering and and covered in sores and lesions because they're getting just just the bare minimum of required energy to survive because it's it's equilibrium.
		We need to constantly be slightly below.
		We need an excess of resources so that we're not constantly strained and starving but with a shrinking population size labor is going to decrease and that means there's going to be a massive older population that doesn't want to work that has no choice but to work now and it's going to get real bad because nobody wants to and young people don't have to so i've talked about this in terms of the social security problem right now i believe it's 2.8 workers pay for one social security recipient it used to be like five but with population decline we're going to get to
		the point where it's going to be one sustain social security recipients off of a younger generation that doesn't work at all?
		You won't.
		And then boomers are going to be aging and they're going to be like, I paid into it, I deserve it.
		And they're going to be like, well, there's nothing there anymore.
		And they're going to get angry.
		Young people are going to be like, I'm not working because even if I do, houses cost $800,000.
		I can only make $25 an hour, so I'll never get a down payment.
		This is the structure of how Ukraine effectively operates.
		So young people are going to say, what's the point of working?
		You're going to tax me, you're going to give it to the older people who already own, the generation owns the properties.
		So something's going to break.
		because it's either going to be, before this happens, the government intervenes and seizes properties from people and we go communist or something, or Gen Z goes right wing and seizes properties from people to force the social transition of wealth.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		What about starting with seizing properties from corporations?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, China and also corporations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The argument is that these corporations, many of them are actually publicly traded corporations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so it's actually, once again, the boomers that own the corporate securities in those holding companies.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		But it would come off as less commy to.
		to at least seize residential properties from corporations instead of individuals.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's going to be real weird when AI takes over and eliminates a lot of jobs.
		Powerful, wealthy people will own the AI, the rights to it.
		You know what I was thinking?
		Did you guys see that, what is it called?
		Light of Motor Mora.
		Have you heard of this?
		Come on, this is pop culture crisis.
		What are you guys doing, huh?
		You've not seen this?
		It's a video game that looks identical to Horizon Zero Dawn.
		And Sony, I think, just announced they're suing Tencent because they basically ripped off Horizon Zero Dawn.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I did see a hero from that, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it was crazy to me because I was like, does Sony own the idea of tribal people with robot animals?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, just throwing in the litigation, the companies are just going to litigate each other to death anyways.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But here's the point.
		The idea is, for those that aren't familiar, Horizon Zero Dawn is, you know, I'll just, I'll show you.
		And this matters for the AI future.
		I love Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West.
		It's a fantastic game.
		Let me just.
		show you uh oh this is hilarious peep i searched for and people are already it's motorom there you go okay that's too small let me just do this uh lights of motorom Horizon and they're side by sides.
		This is wild.
		Let's pull this up.
		Check this image out.
		Actually, let's just talk about this.
		Let's roll.
		We've got this from All Keyshop, Sony lawsuit bombshell, Tencent wanted Horizon deal before allegedly copying it.
		So for those that aren't familiar, Horizon Zero Dawn, the Horizon series, has multiple video games and expansions.
		It's a video game where you play a female...
		There's a bunch of tribes.
		They're rather primitive, but there's weird advanced technology, gigantic animals and monsters that are made of machines.
		For those that don't know, it's a decade-old game.
		The story is, Earth was wiped out by AI bots that were consuming biomass until they destroyed the planet and turned into a barren rock.
		The solution launched by scientists was to build a bunch of underground terraforming bases so that after the biomass was completely consumed and the AI bots were destroyed because they had no energy, they would rebuild society with, you know, I guess, incubation pods that would recreate humans.
		Something went wrong.
		Humans are tribal.
		Tencent launched effectively a clone of the game with robot animals.
		It looks identical.
		Here's what I started thinking about this lawsuit.
		In the future, the wealthy people will be the people with imagination.
		If you can come up with an idea that's interesting, You instantly own that idea and nobody can ever use that idea.
		And if people like the idea, they have to pay you for it.
		So we're right now in what's called the attention economy.
		We had a manufacturing-based economy.
		We had a service sector economy.
		There were questions about whether that could work.
		Then we went to the information economy.
		We're now past the information economy into what's called the attention economy.
		Right now, the money you receive is largely determined by your ability to make people stare at you.
		And that's the easiest way to explain it.
		Podcasts are getting massive.
		YouTube, TikTok.
		The question is, can I make you look at me longer?
		And then you will, your, your view of the world will be based upon those who have the ability to hold your attention the most, which creates really weird things like Elsie Gate.
		I'm looking at this lawsuit and I'm thinking to myself, I mean, what was copied?
		Tribal people with robot animals?
		Can they own the rights to that idea?
		It's not like they directly ripped the story off.
		It's just similar.
		So this is what I imagine.
		In the future, your burger restaurant, you're going to be poor.
		You're going to live in the pod.
		You're going to eat the bugs.
		You're going to eat your UBI, whatever it might be.
		And there's going to be some ultra wealthy guy.
		Why?
		Because he owns the idea of a certain kind of food.
		And when you go to your chicken store and there's robots making your food and kiosks where you order it and you scan your palm or your retina to pay and it's based on your government account, no one's working there.
		And the question is, AI organized it, AI filed the paperwork, machines came and built it, the guy who owns it is ultra wealthy and flies around on private jets and does whatever he wants, but why?
		Because of the idea of the burger restaurant and the kind of food that it was good.
		So it's his and you can't copy it.
		That would be illegal.
		The future is going to be quite literally people on UBI, if that.
		And the people of imagination who are smart enough to conceptualize things.
		That's one possibility of where we're going.
unidentified		Thank you.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		It's totally plausible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No disagreements?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how far in the future are you thinking about the 50 years?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		50 years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not, maybe not even 50.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		You made a good case, I have to give it to you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right now we've been talking about, you know, there's an Amazon investment into, what's it called, Showrunner?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Showrunner, and then what's the other one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what the other one is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's Showrunner's website?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to do enough research to repudiate your point here, but here we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Showrunner.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		AI-generated sitcoms, dude.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, I'm telling you.
		I'm telling you guys.
		As soon as this AI is powerful enough, I am remaking Revenge of the Sith so that when Anakin walks in...
		And then Mace is like, he controls the courts.
		And then what I'm going to change with the AI is that Mace is going to go, Anakin, you're right.
		This isn't the Jedi way.
		Call more Jedi in and we'll have him tried.
		And then they come in and they arrest him and Anakin never becomes Darth Vader.
		And that's the end of it because Mace Window just didn't have to be a dick.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And the rest of the films don't even need to happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's just over.
unidentified		The funny thing about that is Well, episode one, I mean, should never have happened, right?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Episode two should have been episode one and the Clone Wars should have been episode two.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's but.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Amazon is dumping a bunch of money into AI, into AI based streaming services, which is funny because they're closing up Freevie, which is their free streaming platform.
		I'm guessing they're probably going to end up using the existing infrastructure from Freevie to build out whatever that ends up being afterwards.
		Because they're moving all the stuff that's on Freevie over to just Amazon proper.
		So they'll probably use the infrastructure from the free, like what is now the freebie app for that AI program once it comes out.
		Dude, is that going to be down the line?
		They're putting investment into it.
		It doesn't mean it's going to come out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They, they, this showrunner website, they make TV shows AI generated.
		And they used to have the videos on the site now.
		I guess they don't.
		I think, oh, is there something?
unidentified		I don't know any pencils that stand up and write by themselves.
unidentified		creativity is at a deep blue and Kasparov moment.
murray campbell ▲ ● ▼		We were trying to prove that it was possible to build a chess machine that could be the best player in the world.
unidentified		Because we didn't build deep b Blue to make chess players better.
		And we didn't build AlphaGo to make Go Players better.
		We built it to win.
murray campbell ▲ ● ▼		It's a completely new medium.
unidentified		And it's going to push you to be more creative.
unidentified		I'm not interested in AI as recreating a process that we already...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, they were awful.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Fable Studios is the other one that I was thinking of.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We played some of these shows and they're just not good in any way.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, the idea is like the next generation of iPad babies are going to be the ones who are going to go into the showrunner app and just make their own shows without even really thinking about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Fable is showrunner.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Fable Studios and Showrunner are like subsidiaries or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Same thing.
		When you go to Fable, it just brings you there.
		Yeah.
		So here, I'll give you this one.
		You know, we don't got to do a full segment on this one, but have you guys seen this app, Gauge?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, we here at Timcast have decided that, you know, maybe we should have this.
		See, here's how it works.
		Your employees are required to sign into it, and then you can see there that they'll get a score between zero and one thousand.
		And then if they're naughty and they don't do their jobs, I as the boss can reduce their score.
		Here's the best thing.
		It follows them everywhere they go for the rest of their lives.
		So when they try to apply to another job, that new company can look and say, Mary, you've got a 403.
		Can you explain to us why your work score is so low?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Is that what references were for?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, now we don't need it because we have called, you know, it's a credit score, but for like, society.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think it's a slippery slope there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		You know, because what if a person between the age of 35 and 45 is completely different than who they were from 20 to 25 and yet they're stuck with that being typecast based on who they were, you know, while they were in college and they were part of some, you know, what if I mean fret or something?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if your boss is this letterous movie producer who says, you know know, if you want to move up in this company, you gotta give me a little sugar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then the woman goes, I'm, I'm not doing anything.
unidentified		I'm gonna have to turn your score down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then what if the opposite, your boss is some like purple haired feminist, and then you're like, I, you know, I'm here to do my job.
		Well, you're a man, and what you said was racist, and I'm.
		And then you're like, why am I getting a bad score?
		And then what's going to happen?
		This is like the Black Mirror episode.
		You apply for a new job, and the boss goes, so I see that your gauge score is 615.
		It's a little low.
		Can you explain to us why it's so low?
		And you say, you know, to be honest., it's unfortunate, but sometimes it happens.
		I don't think my boss and I got along, and so I tried to leave amicably, and then I go, right, right.
		Well, look, I have another applicant with a 783, and I don't think you're really selling yourself, and I'm not interested in taking the risk on a 615, but I appreciate you coming in.
		Goodbye.
		They don't care about you.
		You think McDonald's is a big deal.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Like, what happened to, like, in privacy?
		I mean, where did that ever, when did that stop being, you know, the hip thing?
		Like, just like, hey, what's mine is mine, and I have a right to privacy, and I don't want people to know my business and my past, and people want it.
		I agree, but I don't know if they understand where it leads to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, what I mean is there's going to be a regional manager at a fran fran fran franchise corporation that owns fifty locations and the boss is going to be like, what's our turnover rate?
		And they're going to be like, it's high.
		And he's going to say, why?
		And it's like, well, because you know how it goes.
		You hire someone, the references are fake, it doesn't matter.
		And then they're bad and you fire them or they quit.
		And he's going to say, what's this, what's this app that everybody's using where you can give a score?
		Just hire people with at least a 700.
		And they go, okay, whatever you say.
		Starting now, require all employees to have it so we can track their scores and it's going to make it easier and safer and give us recourse for termination without HR lawsuits or I'm sorry, like workplace lawsuits.
		And then you're going to be 18 or 17 or 16, whatever.
		You're going to go to McDonald's and you're going to say, I want to apply for a job.
		And they say, we require all employees to use gauge.
		Then here's the best part.
		They're going to post your schedule on gauge and say, this is where you get information on your schedule.
		Make sure you check it every day because it can change.
		Then your boss is going to send you a message on gauge.
		and you're expected to answer and they're going to say, I need you to come in on Sunday.
		I know you have off, but we're, we're, it's a rush day.
		And so we're asking you to come in and no longer can you say, I didn't have my phone on me.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		This is the future millennials want to because gen z's all about work life balance and millennials are the ones that are answering their slack messages at 10 p.m i am anti background check i am anti freedom of Information Act.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I am against all these things.
		I don't imply them at my own company.
		I don't do background checks and I don't think.
		So I am just opposed to this on principle and I might be the wrong person to ask.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		People already use Glassdoor as a rating system for employers.
		Why can't it be two-sided?
		Gage could be a two-sided platform where employers can rate their employees can rate their employers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think the issue is the direction.
		If you have a company with 50 employees and you get a bad score, something's going out of that company for all of these people to be mad at you.
		And maybe it's not necessarily your fault.
		Sometimes the reviews are BS.
		But if you're an employer, one person who's bad, you can destroy 50 people's lives by giving them bad scores so they can never work again.
		Not to mention, it is creepy for a boss to be like, your score went down five points because you refused to mop the bathrooms.
		I just, I think this is a creepy thing to do.
		Stars being like, I worked at this company.
		I give them three out of five stars.
		It's like, okay, I guess this is a literal social credit score from zero to a thousand that follows you everywhere you go no matter what.
		If I own a company and the employees give it a bad score and it fails, I just shut the company down and open a new company.
		You have one account on this app and you can't have two accounts and they're going to follow you everywhere you go.
		And so if you get one boss that hates you or like let's just let's just go the feminist route, you get one boss that hits on you and then you're like I'm not that interested and he gets really angry and just says fuck you and then he and he nukes your score.
		What are you going to do about it?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think that something like this would reach mass adoption because employers will know that there is room plenty of room for situations like that and human error.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think they wouldn't just assume that the score is objective just because it was provided by someone's previous employer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You at a corporation, a regional manager, a mid-level manager, are confronted with ten applicants for three available positions, and you've got 800, 800, 800, 800, 400, 400, 400.
		You're not going to go, you're going to throw the 400s in the garbage.
		They already do this now.
unidentified		No.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I already have to disagree because I will, I want to actually speak to the 400s to understand why they're 400s.
		And I would, I've learned through trial and error that I think I would throw the 800s maybe in the garbage before I throw the 400s in the garbage.
		I'd want to know why.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That makes no sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's illogical.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just think like rate my professor.
		It does seem illogical, but sometimes that's how rate my professor used to be a big thing when I was in college.
		And I always, I started going on there trying to game the system looking for the easiest professors.
		And then I found that I actually got my best grades with the hardest professors.
		So I find that the candidates that have some type of unique story or whatever, they tend to have more to prove.
		They have more to prove.
		And so it's just, you got to get them at the right place in their career.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		80-20.
		You're going to be talking about a manager who makes $50,000 a year at overseeing like three McDonald's locations.
		And he's going to say, don't know, don't care.
		It's easier to get a it's hard to get a good score.
		It's easy to get a bad score.
		So I know someone with a good score is at least able to pretend or hide whatever bad things they might be doing.
		And I'll take it because I don't have to deal with it.
		I'm not going to get sued over it.
		And I have legal protection when I when I say we only hired a certain threshold, it makes it so that I can't be sued when I say no to a bad applicant.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I just actually did this in practice not too long ago.
		I can't disclose like the details, but I will say that I instead of the perfect candidate, I went with a candidate who really had nothing on paper and looked much more flawed and ended up I think I made the right choice.
		It's only been about, you know, six 36 months, but we'll see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's entirely true that that will happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The point is at the macro scale, when companies have to hire 300,000 employees.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or they have 5,000 hourly wage employees at a series of chains.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're going to tell their managers, I don't know or care, we only hire 700 plus.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So you think this would happen mostly at larger scale companies and smaller ones wouldn't adopt something like this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Smaller ones probably will spatteringly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I feel like this app is inevitability because we're a small company and I've dealt with stupid government regulation and employment complaints.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But like if you were using something something like this, like me or Mary never would have been hired because we didn't have any history and like it's for hourly only anyway.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's hourly shift worker.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Based.
		It's not for salaries.
		So we would never have this app in the first place.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But if you were a burger restaurant, look, it's it's it's it's really simple.
		The thirty thousand dollar a year manager of your burger shop doesn't care and is sitting there with all the applications in front of him and he's going, what time is the fight?
		Dude, I don't care.
		With this app, he's going to be like, delete anything under eight hundred.
		He's like, filter out anything below eight hundred.
		He's going to see three eight hundred S. And he's going to be like, we only got one spot to fill.
		We got three eight hundred S. Everyone else is in the garbage.
unidentified		Yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That scale.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		AI already does resume searches.
		And so this is really fascinating.
		You know what people do?
		They will take out keywords for algorithms like work late, overtime, double shift.
		They will make it one size one font and white and they'll put it at the very bottom of the page where the AI can see it.
		So when people submit their resumes, the AI filters are specifically looking for certain keywords and their resume gets jumped to the top despite the fact that they might already write I'm hard working, willing to work overtime and I really want this job.
		By doubling up the words, the algorithms are weighing them more heavily.
		And then it's shut.
		It's people are making weird AI manipulating resumes.
		We are welcome to the nightmare scenario.
		It's getting crazy.
		It's going to get worse.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It is one of those things, like there's a meme going around on X right now of the guy drinking the bottle of vodka in his car.
		It's like what it's like to apply for a job right now.
		It's like, welcome to your third round of interviews.
		He's like, sir, this is a burger restaurant.
		A third round of interviews?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for all the talk about people not wanting to work, it's almost like employers don't want to hire either.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the other big thing too, because someone's mentioned this is Super Chat.
		Dan Vichas says employers can't do references, risk of lawsuit they tell you this and every time the one of the first bits of advice you get when you're opening a business is anytime anyone calls your company to ask about an employee you always just be absolutely neutral you say ah yes so and so did work here they no longer work here i would not hire them again thank you and have a nice day that's all you can say because if you say they did x they did what it's defamation and that's true yes yeah they'll come after you so
		think about this at You're a company and you're like, how can we adequately share that this was a bad employee?
		Companies are going to be happy to do this.
		And there's nothing the worker bee can do about it.
		If you get locked in a low score, good luck getting out of that hole.
		Here's the fun thing about it.
		There's going to be some dudes who are going to be like, hey, you own a restaurant, right?
		Hey, hire me on your app.
		Just give me good reviews.
		I'll give you $100.
		And they'll be like, okay, I want to get a $900.
		And then I can go apply.
		And that's what they'll do.
		Like, there will be a dude at a Burger King who's a shift manager for $16 an hour.
		And he'll be like, yeah, I'll hire you.
		And it's like, just come hang out.
		I'll just give you good scores.
		You're good.
		And there'll be a lot of that.
		It's going to be wonky and busted.
		All right, we're going to go to your chats, my friends.
		So smash the like button, share the show with everyone, you know.
		We're going to grab your super chats and rumble rants, but that uncensored members-only show is coming up at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL at 10 p.m.
		You don't want to miss it.
		In the meantime, let's grab your chats.
		All right, Shane H. Wilder says, I'm glad Trump is calling out Pelosi's insider trading.
		She gets all these gains and can't send a dollar to the Gongo.
		She claims to be a Catholic and she hasn't heard about the Christian Act of Charity.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's a travesty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Alva to Omega says, hello, people.
		I tried sharing your Australia no minors.
		on social media video being in favor of it, Facebook triggered a single post a dozen times and flagged it as spam and removing it, censorship.
		I'm telling you.
		So I made a video about Australia is banning YouTube for under 16s and it got almost no views.
		And so I'm like, okay, this is probably one of the most important stories on YouTube for people on YouTube that YouTube will be banned for teenagers, regardless of your opinion on it.
		And for some reason, it's not appearing in recommendations.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But Tim, Mark Zuckerberg got a haircut and does Jiu Jitsu.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's cool now.
		Pinochet says, this isn't just against Trump, but an affront to every American.
		A violation of the Constitution.
		These are the domestic enemies mentioned in the oath I took and was never relieved of.
		No quarter.
		Oh, yeah.
		Let's see what we got.
		Vic the Fix Shaw says about referrals.
		When I was down in Harper's Ferry two years ago, three bros and I stopped at HF Brewing, and it was 100 till they shut the place down.
		It was 100 till they shut the place down at 930.
		Management told us 11 and then tossed everyone out at 930.
unidentified		about...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		they showed up at one It was one till it says 100 till they shut the place down.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Maybe like 1 p.m. until they showed up at one.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And then the business claimed to be open until.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		11 and Sun Mount early.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, we used to love the Harpers Ferry Brew, but I guess they sold it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Did they?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's I guess.
		We used to go there and we would, we were like, it's really cool that we have this local beer.
		And so we would buy like 600 tall boys from them.
		And then something happened where a few months, like we'd go in, we'd order like two months worth of beer and have it stocked in the fridge.
		And then when guests would come, people who drank, people don't really drink that much.
		We don't do it anymore.
		And then, you know, two months went by and we were like, oh, we should go re-stock.
		We showed up and they were like, you can't buy those.
		And we were like, we buy them every few months.
		And they were like, no, we can't sell those to you.
		And I was like, okay, he's like, we talked to the manager because the manager like we do this.
		And then they told us they weren't allowed to do it.
		And I guess they sold.
		And then we went back there for the first time a few months ago and Brandon got super pissed because he he's worked in a bar.
		He's worked in bars and he's played shows and stuff.
		And we got there like half an hour before close and there's, you know, three of us in line and, you know, Andy walks up and gets a beer.
		He walks up and they go, bars closed.
		And he was like, you just served him.
		I'm like, I know, but we just closed.
		And he was like, you haven't done anything.
		I don't know what it's called, but he's like, I know what you do when you shut down the taps.
		You can pour me a beer right now.
		And they're like, no, we're closed.
		And he was like, this is the worstst place I've ever been, so I'm never coming back.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		See if they have the gauge app, then we can just make sure that these people have zero sales.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, that's Yelp.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the customer one.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I guess because he worked at a bar, he knows when the taps are shut down and when you can't serve beer, and they were still completely able to do it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And Yelp doesn't always even work anyway.
		A lot of the employees, because they don't have, they don't own the company.
		There's no stake in the company.
		They don't really care if they get bad reviews unless their manager comes and says something to them.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, businesses give themselves fake positive reviews on Yelp too.
unidentified		Yep.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It was like, oh, there was an article for the upcoming Green Lantern television show.
		Wait, what?
		On Warner Brothers.
		And the dude, the Green Lantern TV show?
		Yeah, it's called Lanterns.
		And like it says, a Warner Bros.
		executive said that the show is fantastic.
		And I'm like, well, yeah, because Warner Bros.
		made it.
		That's like me.
		I was like, me, a PCC insider, says that PCC is fantastic and you should go watch the show.
		That doesn't really mean anything if you own the company or have stake in the company saying it's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Max Reddick says, Tim, a while ago you were working on getting David Pakman on the Culture War.
		What happened with that?
		With all due respect to David Pakman, he was very polite and said that he was busy with family.
		I think he recently had children.
		And I respect that and have no problems and nothing bad to say.
		I disagree with him and his style of content, but it is what it is.
		And if he can't make it out, he can't.
		make it out, he can't.
		But we'll reach out to him again because we'd love to have him.
		I think it would be a great show and I think he would enjoy it too.
		So we'll see.
		Also, I'd love to get like Kyle and Crystal Ball, perhaps.
		I watched this really funny clip with Crystal Ball just scolding Alyssa Slotkin on Israel committing genocide in Gaza.
		And it was like, Slotkin was like, Yes, you are correct.
		And then Crystal was just like, But it's a genocide.
		And she was like, Okay.
		And Crystal was like, Say it.
		I'm kidding.
		But it was kinda like that.
		I was like, Wow, Crystal, like really just going after.
		And then Slotkin was like, I wrote a letter saying that they're being starved.
		And I'm like, it's a genocide Olympics.
		Like, who can say more about Gaza than the other person?
		How fun.
		Let's see what we got here.
		Fouke Dirk says, if no arrest is made, then Trump term two is a failure for me, and I will be demotivated to ever care about the right again.
		I don't care how great immigration in the economy is, he will be a failure.
		You know, we live in a plutonymy, right?
		This country is of for and by the wealthy and always has been.
		And there was a report that was put out over a decade ago.
		It's almost 20 years ago now by Citigroup talking about how the will of the American people has no bearing whatsoever on legislation.
		And there's actually these really great infographics where it's like 80% of the country can want something, but as long as 30% of the wealthy want something, they get it.
		That's amazing, right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's like when you watch a show, it's like you watch something involving the U.S. government or like the CIA, and somebody says, it's vital to U.S. interests.
		And then you say, like, what does that actually mean?
		Like, who is the person who decides what U.S. interests actually are?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		So, so what is, is what is he saying will determine whether or not he's successful?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I didn't get that part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Arresting the corrupt people who sabotage the government.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, I do think there's a bit of a fault to that because what did they do?
		Stop Trump from kicking out his agenda.
		So should Trump's agenda solely be on going after the people who stopped his agenda or should he try and fulfill his agenda?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Be better than nothing, which is what we're getting now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're getting a little.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, we got the border shut down.
		We have a good economy.
		So what was the agenda?
		Make America great again.
unidentified		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think that you're reducing it way down from what was promised.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
		Let's grab some more.
		Andre says, what do you use to measure sleep and heart rate?
		Galaxy Watch?
		You keep it on sleeping.
		When do you charge it?
		So my bed, I have a sleep eight bed.
		Luke recommended it.
		I got it and it heats and cools as you sleep, which is good but it's not like the heating and cooling thing isn't perfect but it does try to adjust the temperature so that you don't wake up either too hot or too cold which is it does work but when I wake up in the morning it shows me everything about my sleep it tells me when I was in deep sleep when I was in REM sleep when I woke up it's it's pretty amazing and then it gives you a score are you sure that it's not going to share your biometric data like that spot if I wait what do you mean am I
		sure did I ever say that they wouldn't?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Does it bother you that they almost certainly do?
unidentified		No.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That it that like they're going to be like they're going to share this data and be like sir.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, sir, Tim Poole entered deep sleep at 2 a.m. lasted for one hour before entering a light, a period of light REM sleep.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No, they're going to they're going to fact check you.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's like Tim Poole said he deep sleeped for an hour and it was actually 52 minutes and then they're going to snoop some stuff.
unidentified		Knowing when you're awake or asleep is actually they don't actually need the bed to track that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They they this is the most amazing thing.
		There was this there was this website in the early 2000s.
		I think it was called like the spark or something.
		Do you guys remember this?
		You're old enough, right?
		And it had a bunch of tests and they were really rudimentary early website.
		There's no apps or anything.
		And one of them was called the gender test.
		And it would ask you weird questions and then it would tell you what your gender was.
		And you were like, how does this make sense?
		So basically it was like, it said, I will ask you questions and then predict your gender.
		And it would ask you things like, which do you prefer?
		And it would show a bike, a boat, and a plane.
		And you're like, a boat, I guess.
		And then it would say, pick a shape.
		And it would be like a blue triangle.
		It would be like a red square, a green circle.
		And then women tended to pick certain things for some reason that men tended to pick something else for some reason.
		And at the end, it would be like, you're a woman, you're a man.
		it got it right like 90% of the time.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That last thing just sounded like a PlayStation controller.
unidentified		Maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the funny thing, yeah.
		The funny thing about it is that was before AI.
		That was just a basic algorithm.
		That was like 90% of the time women pick these things, men pick these things, and so we can make that prediction.
		Now, Facebook, based off of the weirdest of things, knows when you're going to poop.
		That's not a joke or an exaggeration.
		This has been published seven or eight years ago.
		Your mobile app has the Facebook, your messenger app or the actual Facebook app.
unidentified		It knows...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		knows when you're moving it knows when you're sitting it knows when you're eating based on how you're moving and where you're at so it knows when you go to work and when you go to lunch why because it has gps data and knows the coordinates of burger King.
		So you go to work, you then get up, it knows when you're going to go to lunch before you do based on the patterns of your movement at work.
		Then it predicts you're going to go eat.
		And based on the prediction of when you're going to eat, it knows when you're going to have a bowel movement.
		And this is not an exaggeration or meant to be funny.
		It literally does this without anything, but all it needs is your GPS.
		It's crazy.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Is it called the TMI?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
		But, you know.
		for Zuckerberg and the rest of his company, they're like, this data is invaluable.
		Like you can control populations.
		You can predict their movements.
		It's insane what they can do.
		And I'll tell you this, I'm willing to bet AI is far more.
		advanced than we even realize.
		The commercial grade stuff they're showing us, it's probably twenty years more advanced than they got behind the scenes.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		We needed GPS for decades before it was ever commercially available, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like I always imagine, like, if I was Google and I wanted government contracts, I would just, and they said no, I would just shut down Google Maps for a day.
		And then say, okay, let the peasants figure out where they're going.
		Same with Apple.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Think about how crazy that is that I used to have, I used to have, I used to have memorized like, excuse me, like twenty or thirty phone numbers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now I have got two.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I never written down – I didn't start writing down phone numbers until I was in my early 30s.
		I promise.
		I memorized everybody's.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And all of a sudden, my memory started to – Yeah, now it's just you store it in your phone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, I don't know your phone number.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know your name.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Did you see that post that was going around on Exit last week where it was like, technology is going too far, man.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		My roommate got locked out of his light bulbs and now we're sitting in the dark because he doesn't know his password.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you about the worst thing about Sleep 8 is that when my bed gets disconnected from the internet, I can't turn it off.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you get this.
		I got to – my bed ran out of – out of water so the air conditioner wasn't working or the the the the temperature control and i was like whatever i'm not dealing with this so i went to sleep.
		Then I wake up with my alarm going off, which is it vibrates.
		It goes bump, bump, bump.
		And I pick my phone up and go to the app and it says, can't find it.
		So there's no way to turn it off.
		So now I gotta get up and go to the box and unplug it.
		It's a nightmare.
		You know what else I want to stress?
		You know what I hate more than anything right now is TV.
		Let me tell you, Jen, you guys, maybe you remember this.
		I don't know, you youngsters.
		When I was a kid, you know what I would do?
		I'd walk up to the TV and I would grab a little knob and I would pull it out.
		You pull the knob forward and the TV would turn on.
		And there were two knobs.
		There was, was it VHF and UHF?
		And you'd go click, click, click, click, click.
		But here's the best part.
		It was already on Channel 32 Fox.
		So when The Simpsons were coming on at, what was it like 7 o'clock or 5.30, I'd go up to the TV.
		I'd pull the little thing forward.
		The TV would turn on and I'd sit down.
		Do you know what I have to do now?
		Brett?
		I turn the TV on.
		Then it starts booting up.
		It takes about 10 seconds.
		Then it brings me to some, loads a home screen and instantly a thing pops up saying, would you like to update your TV?
		To which I'd say, no, I don't want to update my TV.
		Then a box pops up saying, would you like to update your remote?
		No, we don't want to update remote.
		Then I click home.
		Then it takes 10 seconds to load.
		Then I have to press down to go to the YouTube TV app and I hit it and it says, Would you like to update the app?
		And I say, No.
		Then it opens the app and it's on some, it's on some default pre-record and I have to select and find the channel.
		Gone, gone are the days where I could just click the button and it turned on to the channel I watch all the time.
		Those are the days, huh?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Channel three so that you could go turn on your video games right away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		You know what's crazy is they still have with all that, they still have you like go to each individual letter and select it and then go back.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I think they would have figured that out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Modern TVs suck.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Terrible.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what you need is a Roku TV with the very pleasant Roku City playing in the background, keeping PlayStation.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I just do I try to get a Roku TV.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I turn the PlayStation on and I turn the TV on, let it boot, I don't care.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I press the PlayStation, I go to YouTube, enter, but it pops up.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I want them to make a movie about Roku City.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is Roku City?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Roku City is when you just when you have a Roku TV that's just a city that plays in the background.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's all of these like apocalyptic scenarios.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is it real?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		When a robot.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They need to make a skibbedy toilet Roku City movie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's loaded up in the AI.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am going to make that scene from Star Wars where Mace Windu is like, oh yeah, Anakin, you're right.
		I better not just randomly kill the Chancellor.
		That would be an assassination.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think if I did it, I would take the movie Little Big League where King Gurphy junior robs him of a home run at the end, I'd have him actually hit the home run and they'd win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I would do is I would have Mace Windu accuse the Chancellor of colluding with the Trade Federation to steal the election and then bog him down with years of investigation so that he couldn't act his agenda.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But he does declare him under arrest.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		He does declare him under arrest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then, to be fair, force lightnings and Anakin walks in and he was and then the lightning is rebounding onto the emperor and he was, don't kill me.
		And then Mace Windu is like, I have to, he's too powerful.
		And then Anakin's like, no, he should be arrested and tried.
		And he goes, he controls the courts.
		He can't be stopped.
		I have to kill him.
		And then when he when he goes to swing to kill him, Anakin cuts his arm off, Anakin did nothing wrong.
		Like, I'm sorry, if a religious military faction is trying to assassinate the duly elected leader because he is of a different religion, you stop the person trying to kill the other guy.
		The Chancellor didn't go to the Jedi Temple and try to murder anybody.
		He was in his chancellory quarters or whatever when the Jedi shut up and said, we just found out you have a different religion from us, so we're going to kill you.
		And it's like, what?
		And Anakin was like, don't.
		You know, and they make him the bad guy.
		And then Obi-Wan, he's the real bad guy because he torches Anakin.
		Obi-Wan stows away Like, really?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You should pitch this to George Lucas.
		He loves redoing it.
		He never leaves it alone.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I would modify Titanic so that she chooses her fiancé and doesn't cheat on him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would modify Titanic so that when she's on the front and she's going, yeah, she falls in and he's like, oh great.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		What's with the young hating Christensen Force Ghost at the end of Return of the Jedi?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Why are Yoda?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They changed it.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I know, but why?
		Why not let him change it?
		Yeah, because Obi Wan and Yoda are old.
		So why does Darth Vader get younger?
		Yeah, younger.
		Yeah, it's stupid.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		George Lucas is not in his mind.
		The sequel movies are the stupidest things I've ever seen in my life.
		I'm going to say no.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		In the original one, he had people that could tell him no, and there was no one to tell him no in the later ones.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to say no.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Sequels don't exist.
		To me, that's just Disney.
		That's cash grab.
		The prequels, they could have got it right if, if, you know, the first one didn't need it.
		If the Clone Wars were episode one.
		Not the Clone Wars.
		If episode two, Attack on the Clones was episode one, and then they made the Clone Wars episode two.
		Because episode three was good.
		It was just rushed.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It could be ironic.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You could use AI to make Avatar actually interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, the big problem with episode three as well is that it is rushed.
		There's no transition to the Dar dark side.
		You don't see what drives Anakin.
		In the Clone Wars series, you can see him expressing darkness.
		And so it makes no sense that in Revenge of the Sith, he's like, I'm a good guy and you're a Sith and must be stopped and I'll inform the Jedi.
		And then ten minutes later, he's like, I'm going to side with the Sith now and I'm going to murder children.
		It's like, why?
unidentified		Yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		And also General Grievous's character, like there's no build up to that character.
		You get to see him in the Clone Wars take on that kind of, that Vader's esque, at least the villain personality.
		So they really would I would change a lot of the boat with that one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would change episode four.
		I guess it's called four.
		And it would be like when Luke puts the computer away and the voice is like, yo, it's the force, Luke.
		And then they're like, Luke, is something wrong?
		He's like, no, I got this.
		And then he just misses.
		And then they're going to be like, you moron, you turned your computer off.
		I'm like, but I thought magic was going to save me.
		And then it doesn't.
		And then the Death Star just blows everybody up.
		That'd be, that's the better ending.
		Actually, what I really want to do is I want to make an entire version of Star Wars that is the truth.
		The truth is the Empire did nothing wrong.
		It's all rebel propaganda.
		The religious zealots from a desert planet took a cargo ship and blew up a military base.
		And then they made a movie about it where they're like, oh, but, you know, lost Darth Vader, you put up a planet.
		And it's like, did he?
		Or is that propaganda?
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What's another series or movie you'd make a change to?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Probably all of them.
		How about what's the one I just watched?
		Happy Gilmore.
		His wife should have died of cancer.
		Yeah, like, come on.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But the Jedi maintained peace for millennia.
		I'm sorry.
		I'm going to go with the Star Wars thing.
		They maintained peace for millennia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kidnapping children and indoctrinating them to their religion and executing anybody who's of a different religion, sure.
		Of course, in their movies, they painted as noble.
		Well, like, look how they use Jedi mind tricks, which we consider to be a good thing to do to like a prey upon the minds of your everyday person because their weak will to get what you want.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Sith were anti alien.
		I mean, they colluded with gangsters.
		I mean, they were.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's all that's all extended universe stuff that's been that's been retconed.
		It's no longer real.
		If you actually watch the movies, the only real thing they did is they blew up was it they blew up Alderaan?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or was it was it Alderaan?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		It was Alderaan.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Vader's like, I'm gonna blow up the planet for no reason.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, what?
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if like, I think you could easily remake Star Wars where you could have, you know, Darth Vader, who's a disabled war veteran, resisting this fanatical religious zealotry that are trying to impose their religious will over a government to the point where they tried, let's put it this way, a religious militant sect has a high level of power in the government of the galaxy.
		And when they find out the chancellor has has a different religion, what did he do wrong?
		What did the chancellor do wrong?
		There's a civil war and machinations.
		Okay, that's that you have to prove that in court.
		You have to prevent, present evidence.
		You can't show up in his room and just kill him.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, the galaxy was, I should say, the universe was oppressed under the same.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just the galaxy, not the universe.
		In the actual Star Wars canon, there's other galaxies.
		Yeah.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's why I said universe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But he's not ruling, the Sith are not ruling over other galaxies.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So one of the old extended stories was that the emperor was actually trying to mechanize the galaxy because an external galactic threat was coming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there was a story written about it.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That was canon?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It used to be.
		They got rid of it.
		Disney was like, nah, throw it in the garbage.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		And you sure the anti-alien thing is not canon?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it is, well.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Or isn't canon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like they made this stuff after the fact because in the original Star Wars, the empire was just an empire.
		And then you only ever hear him say, I hate the empire.
		And you're like, well, what did the empire do?
		They blew up Alderaan.
		They're evil.
		They blew up a planet.
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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, the Sith aren't bad guys.
		The Jedi are the bad guys.
		And I stand by it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		See, I'm just over everybody trying to switch movies and give me some thesis as to why something was wrong 20 years ago.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I say you just leave it be for any movie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess.
		I don't know, man.
		If you play the games in the extended universe, they tried to balance out what the actual issues were.
		The Sith were driven by passion and purpose, and the Jedi were monks.
		But the Jedi are communists.
		They kidnap kids at young ages and then force them to be like weird monks and celibate.
		It's like religious zealotry.
		And then they're forced to, like the line Anakin says when he's like, I think the Jedi are evil.
		He's right.
		But they didn't really explain that transition.
		That was the problem.
		So it's like Anakin could have just said, Obi Wan, the Jedi Council just tried to assassinateate the Chancellor and you're defending them.
		Why are you on their side?
		And Obi Wan would have been like,'Because you're dealing with absolute spru.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The problem is you're giving them ideas now because they love to retroactively go back to franchises and ruin it.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Remember when they made a Jedi are selfish though, and that's the key component there where the Sith are they rely on their passions and hatred, anger, you know, basically the things that destroy the human psyche, soul, and that's what makes it so I think the issue with this idea of the Jedi as a story is that they've created so many characters that are flawed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's clear the Jedi are not selfless in any sense.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		No, but if you think of the universe through this dichotomy of love and, you know, hate, fear, let's just say fear and love, right?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Being the two things that drive the universe and as you can get closer to these things, you can get either right, like, and the Jedi are as close as possible to love and the Sith are as close as possible to fear, and so that's really the that's the thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like propaganda though.
		Like if someone came to me and told me that and they said, this is what we hear.
		We hear like, you know, Donald Trump, he just hates.
		He's so full of hate.
		You have to march in lockstep with us or else and the Sith are like, you can do whatever you want.
		Believe in yourself and follow your passion.
		That's not evil.
		That sounds like they are the good guys.
		But in the story, though, they're like, and also they kill kids.
		And it's like, shut the fuck up.
		And they also say Trump's a white supremacist.
		So if we're telling a story, and Star Trek did this too with the Romulans, if we're telling a story and we're like one side driven by passion, tons of people are passionate and go around murdering children.
		And there are tons of religious zealots who are selfless who do.
		So I think the Jedi are evil, as exemplified by the fact that those Jedi that came with Mace Windu to execute the Chancellor had no problem showing up knowing they were going to murder the Chancellor who was duly elected.
		That's fucked up.
		Like, how do we feel about this?
		How do we feel about a bunch of Democrats saying we love and Trump is full of hate?
		So they shuffle to the White House with rifles intending to kill Trump.
		And then Trump kills a bunch of them and he's on the ground and fucking, I don't know, Hakeem Jeffries is pointing a gun at him and then Zoran Mamdani walks in and he's like, How did he get there?
unidentified		Like, this movie is completely unrealistic.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I want to make this like he's like, what is he a time traveler?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Can he?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, what's I talking about right now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Zoran Mamdani is right here.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so but okay, so he's a rising star of the Democratic Party.
		Can he, can he like, can he?
		shape shift?
		Can he move?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		How does he get around?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In a car.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so he just he just ended up in DC.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He got in there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was in DC.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he meets with Trump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then Trump is like, Why actually?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Why isn't he in New York?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		He should be in New York right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The point is he's a riser and Anakin wasn't supposed to be at the temple or he wasn't supposed to be at the chancellor's headquarters.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was supposed to stay at the temple.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		One of the most underrated scenes in Star Wars is the scene with Patame Amidal.
		She says, This is how Liberty dies with thunderous applause.
		when the chancellor is talking about how he was left scarred and deformed, and the Jedi are now traitors, and he's given that in the Senate tundra.
		So they're in favor of a republic.
		It's a dictatorship under the Sith.
		It's oppression.
		As long as you don't impose your view on others, but that's what the Sith are doing.
		Sure, sure, but let's try this again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the chancellor is standing before the Senate, and he says, the Jedi have tried to assassinate me.
		And they've left me scarred and deformed.
		The Jedi Order has betrayed the republic, and he is 100% correct.
		And then Padme goes, so this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.
		And I'm only imagining Donald Trump in the Oval Office going, Barack Obama tried to have me put in jail and falsely accused because he's a traitor.
		And then fucking Elizabeth Warren is going, this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.
		And I'm like, yeah, you're fucking evil, bitch.
		You are the evil scumbags who tried to overthrow the republic, and you're acting like you were defending liberty the whole time.
		So when the Jedi show up and they're like, I'm literally going to kill the chancellor, it's like but the machinations I get it I get in the truest sense of the movie, you're watching the chancellor Palpatine have these evil machinations to create a civil war to steal power.
		I'm just saying, on the surface, this is the narrative in Star Wars that they give to us about Trump.
		They come to say Donald Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election and take power in the United States.
		I'm like, that's fucking Star Wars.
		What the fuck up?
		It's not real.
		It didn't happen.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But from the standpoint of like, what's the problem with the left is we live in this Orwellian society.
		And so what you're propagating is not actually the truth though.
		Like, if you use the example of Elizabeth Warren, they want overly, you know, they want a police state that's overly regulatory and like companies like mine wouldn't exist because they want to over regulate and they want you to pay, you know, three, four million dollars to set up a broker dealer, which creates the barrier that was that was that was that was possible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that was the basis for the trade separatists, the separatist movement in the first place movie when they're like, this is not fair that you are enforcing these embargoes and regulations on us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You are shutting our businesses down.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm saying Donald Trump, like this system that they're this capitalist system that goes back to really, you can take it back to the Puritans and the Pilgrims setting up the system of liberty of running away from the monarchy in Europe.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		The Galactic Republic set up this free system under the constitution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Galactic Republic in episode one was overly regulating the Trade Federation forcing, creating a separatist movement because of the way they were handling the marketplace and regulating businesses and it resulted in conflict which led to the it was the blockade on Naboo that was that was that was the first plot so the civil war started because the galactic republic was overbearing in their regulations and laws and they were bureaucratic and
		unable to move the chancellor said this is bullshit and through his machinations he was just a center time he didn't have the power started to seize control the point I'm saying is I get it Darth Vader blew up a planet.
		They're evil.
		We get it.
		Let's take a look at the surface level politics of the narrative of Star Wars.
		And this is what they said.
		The chancellor was secretly conspiring with the Trade Federation to ignite a conflict so he could steal power and shut down liberty.
		Okay, with Trump, the Democrats tried to overthrow him, smeared him, lied about it.
		We've got all the documents now and more are coming.
		We've known this for years.
		They call him hateful.
		They call him a bigot.
		They call him a white supremacist.
		And they've tried to kill him several times.
		So my joke, I'm joking when I say this, is that if you were to apply the politics of Star Wars outside of the battles and the narrative and the backstory of the Sith, the Jedi are Democrats.
		And Padme is going, this is how democracy dies with thunderous applause, just like the Democrats.
		claimed Trump's victory was the end of democracy.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But what I'm saying is that Saul Alinsky and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, those are the real Sith that are trying to overthrow.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		They're the ones trying to overthrow the system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the Jedi Order.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		No, they're trying to use their rules against the Democrats control the institutions.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Take the Constitution and use it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let's say they'll use the Constitution when it serves their purposes, but then which faction, Sith or Jedi, was in control of a military faction in the Republic?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I mean both at one point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, the Jedi.
		Only after the Jedi collapsed did the Sith actually take over and it was just one guy, two guys technically.
		So in the Republic, before the Chancellor took power, the Jedi were a militaristic religious faction with control of all the institutions.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But they only had lightsabers.
		There wasn't even a military.
		They were reticent to even control the clone troops that were created for them in episode two.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You mean that they created?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it goes back to, what was it, Sipho Diaz and Count Dooku, who they, you know, were part of the Galactic Republic and went and built a clone army for the Republic and were doing tons of evil ass shit.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But that was actually, that was Palpatine actually controlling and had them.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		So it was still the Sith that really set up that whole military operation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The way they justified the Sith being evil is they say, oh yeah, you know that bad stuff?
		Emperor did it.
		And it's like, okay, well, like we didn't actually see any of that.
		It was the Republic that did all those things.
		So the Republic was under the under Senator Palpatine.
		He had the power to do that.
		He wasn't the Chancellor at the time.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was doing it shrouded in secrecy and darkness, right?
		That's how they operate.
		I mean, Yoda says, right, when Obi-Wan tries to make the case that it was a victory for the Jedi, he says, no, no, Master.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My point is this narrative that Hollywood creates, they apply it to people like Trump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, Trump's not the bad guy.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		He's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The concept of the Jedi was that they had institutional power and they wielded it against their religious and ideological enemies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Donald Trump and the right didn't have institutional authority at all in this country.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or the media, and the Jedi did.
		My point is the Democrats and the Jedi are basically the same thing, and that's why I'm jokingly saying all the bad stuff they claimed the Empire did was lies and propaganda.
		Just like we say in reality when they accuse Trump of being a white supremacist, they literally will call Trump a Sith because they equate that with the evil villain.
		And it's like, oh okay, so the Emperor wasn't really a bad guy.
		Because you're lying about Trump and you've made this up and you've claimed that Trump's victory is the end of democracy, just like Padme did.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean that Natalie Portman plays Melania in this version of the movie?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it means she's Elizabeth Warren or Slotkin.
unidentified		It means she's definitely not Natalie Portman then.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Liberty dying because Trump got elected.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		I was just making the case that it's the system really.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Like we're, you know, the system of the republic, the system of the constitution is much more in line with the ideals of the Jedi, even though I understand the argument that you're making, but I am just saying the system that allows all people to have freedom and liberty and choose their path and their religion as opposed to the group think mentality of the left.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Jedi were the group think of the left.
		But the Jedi were the group think faction.
		That's canon.
		They have temples.
		They're celibate.
		They take children from their families.
		They raise them under a rigid religious order.
		And the Sith do whatever they want, and there's few of them.
		And they don't coordinate.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But they don't impose it on others.
		The Jedi?
		The Sith, but, you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Jedi mind trick?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Jedi mind trick?
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Jedi mind trick they use over and over again in the series on people they want to bend to their will.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		We're going into rabbit holes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is literally a component of the Jedi.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When they want to force someone to do something they want, they can impose their will into their mind.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		If it's justified in their eyes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		Like when the commies execute people because it's justified in their eyes.
		Or when they cancel you from social media because you're a bigot.
		The Jedi are evil.
unidentified		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to colors.
		Someone said, Surge, cut to Mary.
		I want to see how interested she is in this argument.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I watched all of Star Wars last year, I think because our viewers paid some wager.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I forget what it was now.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		10 Crisis Parties?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It might have been $1,000 in donations, and I would watch all of Star Wars in one go, and I did.
		I'm more sympathetic to your view, actually.
		I was like, wait, but why are the Sith bad, though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		In the first movie, only thing bad was blowing up Alderaan.
		And that one's really easy because you could be like.
		if the justification for blowing up a military base with the estimated base and size was something around three million private contractors, civilian workers, because we know military bases aren't stocked with just soldiers doing everything.
		So you've got this movie where they blow up a planet.
		Why?
		It was terrorists.
		It was religious fanatics and extremists that were trying to assassinate political leaders and blow up military bases.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But they put all these other planets under tyranny and then their history not in the first movie.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Not in the first movie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, the entire not in the first movie.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		But if you go back to the Nights of the Old Republic and the history of that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's extended universe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm saying in the first movie when it first came out, the only thing you see the emperor do the empire do wrong is blow up alderaan only a planet they only blew up a planet but you could make the argument that the the rebels blew up a military base killing millions of civilians with with impunity and no thought they just said blow them up fuck them rebel base planet military base military base but yeah alderaan though was generally a peaceful planet it wasn't military that was dantouin propaganda Propaganda.
		That's the argument I'm making is that history is written by the victors and because the Jedi blew up the military base and won, they claim the destruction of Alderaan was unjust.
		And the government says Alderaan was basically a major HQ and supplier for insurgents that were terrorizing the universe and I want the galaxy and I'll stress, if we scale things down, you're talking about a galaxy.
		If you scale it down to a planet, then the story is basically they nuke a country.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		So I'm talking about systems.
		If you want to talk about the two religions and how they're juxtaposed to each other, then that is accurate, but when you talk about systems, one is advocating, you know, a republic, a free market system that is generally peaceful, and the other is advocating for an authoritarian, militant system that oppresses all those that are in its path.
		And where the Jedi want to literally uphold peace with lightsabers, which are swords, laser swords.
		It's just propaganda and the the Sith create this massive clone army that's designed to literally untangle the republic created the galaxy the republic under the guise of the Sith though the so they've got control.
		We know that now.
		We know the facts now, right?
		We can look back.
		We we saw the movies.
		We know they wrote after the fact.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like I said, this is the point I'm making.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The story is written to make sure they justify why the Sith are the bad guys.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you want to then put George Lucas on trial and say that's a whole different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My point is if you remove the very obvious oh and by the way here's evil thing they did the actual storytelling never shows the empire do anything wrong until andor andor is the first time the empire has ever been shown well maybe maybe i guess rogue one rogue one but but like what in rogue one did the empire actually do that was evil kill a lot of people who the That's what I don't know what they were called, but Andor.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		That's that point because in Andor, they said, I didn't see Andor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Andor, they said, you false flag so that they can lock down a planet, steal its kyber and blow it up.
joseph gradante ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and Rogue won.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then when they were handing off the SD with all the secrets on it, they killed all the people that were trying to So you mean the insurgent terrorists to So when So you're saying the terrorists who stole military plans and disabled war veteran Darth Vader was trying to get this and kill it, right?

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