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tim pool
After Colbert got canceled, it was announced that CBS Paramount was going to be giving $1.5 billion to the creators of South Park, which kind of seemed insane to anybody who knows anything about numbers.
$300 million a year.
Well, they put out their first episode, and it is mocking Donald Trump.
I'm going to give you my opinion right away.
I know a lot of people thought the episode was funny.
That's fine.
The jokes were old, 10 years old.
They don't make fun of Trump.
They don't make fun of administration.
They don't make fun of politics.
They literally just have Trump be Saddam Hussein, and then they say he has a tiny wiener.
That's the whole episode, except for the fact that they show it for real.
Just they show it for like 30 seconds.
That's what they're going for.
But in all seriousness, I think the strategy now of the anti-Trump left, the liberals, is going to be they got to go dirtbag left.
Woke was broke.
It didn't work.
But if you can be dirtbag offensive while being anti-Trump, that's the edgy that they're looking for.
So they give the South Park creators $1.5 billion, which seems to be the big story to talk about the current strategy of the anti-Trump media.
But there is actual big news.
Birthright citizenship, Trump's executive order, was struck down by an appellate court.
A brick of Garcia has been ordered, released.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
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We are joined today by James Fishbeck.
james fishback
Great to be here, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
james fishback
I started an investment firm.
It's an anti-DEI investment firm called Azoria.
And we started an ETF that we launched two weeks ago that invests only in S ⁇ P 500 companies that hire on merit.
Crazy idea.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
There was talk about this like a decade ago.
Companies that were introducing DEI policies.
I heard investors saying short those companies right away because any company that's going to prioritize ideology over the function of their business will lose money.
james fishback
That's exactly right.
And so think of it this way, Tim, is if you knew a friend was going to start a coffee shop and you knew they were going to only hire a certain race or a certain gender, you would bet, right, Phil?
You'd bet against that coffee shop.
Oh, well, I walk into the coffee shop and you're about to hand them a check to buy a part of their business.
And they say, well, we don't hire everyone here.
We only hire black lesbians.
We only hire transgender dwarfs.
What would that do to the business model?
You wouldn't just not want to belong that business so as to profit from it.
You would actually want to go short and profit from its decline.
And so what the Azuria Meritocracy Fund does, the ticker is SPXM, it's an ETF that buys the same 500 stock as your S ⁇ P 500 ETF, but it does not buy Intel, Starbucks, Airbnb, Nike, and others that have just doubled down on these DEI quotas that say, look, we're not hiring on skill and merit anymore.
We're hiring on race and gender.
That hurts stock performance, and our investors don't want no part of it.
tim pool
Right on.
It should be fun.
Thanks for joining us.
We'll talk about this, of course, the stock park stuff.
Mary is here.
mary morgan
Hi, everyone.
You can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Timcast.
I'm glad to be here.
And I would definitely support a coffee shop staffed just by white, straight males.
tim pool
And six feet tall, six figures, and six pick.
mary morgan
No, that's not necessary.
tim pool
I got a hand at all.
mary morgan
Yeah.
james fishback
Is there a dress code at all?
mary morgan
I don't really accept the word cis.
That's not a real thing.
They could be straight white males.
james fishback
What if they used the word cis?
mary morgan
That would be a deal breaker.
james fishback
Okay, there you go.
phil labonte
Actually, you'd have to get like two weeks unpaid to leave your offer to be used to be like cis.
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Abante.
I'm the lead singer of the Heavy Metal Band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
James, I'm going to actually...
james fishback
I started that one, and what it does is it excludes.
So it excludes them because they're going to underperform.
The research we did, Phil, is the 38 companies in the S ⁇ P 500 that have these woke DEI policies, Nike, Airbnb, Starbucks, they've underperformed the stock market by 20 points over the last two years.
And so what that means is your S ⁇ P portfolio, your S ⁇ P ETF, whether it's from BlackRock, Vanguard, or State Street, it could have been doing a lot better had those 38 not been in there.
And so our goal at Azoria with SPXM is kick them out and let your portfolio ride just based on the companies that hire the best and brightest and never apologize for it.
If you hire a white male for the job or an Asian male, don't apologize for it.
Just do the right thing.
And by the way, the right thing oftentimes will be to hire someone who looks a little bit darker than us.
That's a meritocratic system is to stand up for the dignity of every American.
My mom's a legal immigrant from South America.
And one thing that she always told my sister and I is that she would never apply to a job that had a big flashy affirmative action program, Mary, because when she came home, she wanted to look us in the eye saying, I got the job for the right reason, not because I checked some arbitrary Cornell liberals checkbox for diversity arbitrariness.
tim pool
Let's jump into that story from Variety.
White House bashes South Park after Trump parody.
This show hasn't been relevant for over 20 years and can't derail Trump's hot streak.
Okay, look, this was a clever play.
I literally don't care.
It's pretty obvious that the idea was we're going to make fun of Trump and put the anti-woke crowd and the edgy influencers and the podcast circuit in a bind.
You're allowed to make fun of Donald Trump.
They're going to do it poorly.
And you have no choice but to just accept it because it's just playful banter, right?
So I already had a lot of people telling me, oh, Tim, like, but come on, if you come out and say it was bad, you know what the left is going to say?
They're going to say, ha, ha, ha, you're, I don't care what they say.
They're psychotic.
This episode was garbage.
I watched the episode.
It's one of the worst episodes of South Park.
Not the worst.
Remember when, I don't know how familiar you guys are with South Park, Scott Tennerman ate his parents?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, ate his parents.
Cartman tricked his parents into being killed by a farmer, chopped their bodies up, and fed them to their own son.
South Park was crazy.
Now they did an episode where it's literally Donald Trump and because they had Mr. Garrison as Trump and they just, there's no jokes.
Now, to be fair, there are jokes, but they're not about Trump.
It's just they show naked cartoon Trump and everyone keeps saying he's a tiny penis.
And then he goes, come on, I'm going to seal you gang.
It's the same joke they made about Saddam.
They don't make any jokes about the administration, about Trump's policies.
It's jokes from 15 years ago.
Here's my bet.
Colbert gets canceled because they were spending $40, $50 million a year on anti-Trump commentary.
But this straight-laced, goody two-shoes BS does not work.
They've been talking about how they need a liberal Joe Rogan forever.
I'm willing to bet that these prominent liberal billionaires and corporate types were like, listen, why do people like Joe?
Because he's edgy.
He's off the cuff.
He'll say things you're not allowed to say.
How do we do this?
Well, Colbert ain't it.
Colbert is straight-laced and boring.
It's on the nose.
The South Park guys, $300 million per year they got in this deal.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
How does something like that happen?
Here's my vision.
They go to Matt and Trey and they say, we want you to go full-time South Park, mock Donald Trump, make him look bad.
And they went, why?
And they were like, we will pay you a lot of money.
What's a lot of money?
We will give you 30 million a year.
We don't need 30 million a year.
50 million a year.
Guys, we're rich.
We don't need 50 million a year.
Okay.
100 million a year.
And they're like, honestly, what am I going to do with that?
How about we give you 1.5 billion over five years?
And then Matt and Trey were like, really?
I imagine they were like, what do you want to do it?
We want shock content that mocks Trump.
I don't know.
Give me a billion dollars.
Done.
And they gave him a billion dollars.
Now, I don't know if that's actually what happened, but it seems pretty obvious.
The only problem is they're phoning it in.
They're phoning it in.
Here's my pitch.
I would have laughed my ass off if the episode started with Trump being asked about the Epstein files, panicking and shuffling all the press out of the room and banning them saying, you're banned.
I'm going to sue you.
And then runs to a bookshelf, pulls a book.
The shelf opens up.
He gets in an elevator, goes down to the basement, and there's Tulsi Gabbard, Rubio, and Trump trying to resurrect Mecca Epstein because they want to use the files and use the blackmail or something like that.
Instead, Trump's banging Satan.
That's it.
There's no jokes about anything that's happening.
mary morgan
Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that because I feel like Trump is doing enough to make a fool out of himself lately that Matt and Trey don't need to do any work on that front.
And for 10 episodes a year at that, they scammed the shit out of it.
What was it?
Paramount?
tim pool
Is that what it is?
10 episodes?
mary morgan
10 episodes a year.
phil labonte
I would take that check.
mary morgan
That is crazy.
phil labonte
I would take that check.
I didn't watch the episode, or I haven't watched the episode yet.
The fact that it's just, like, redoing the Saddam bit is kind of like...
You know, because they are generally like South Park has been really funny and really creative.
mary morgan
It's kind of like how bands sell out.
phil labonte
I mean, maybe.
mary morgan
They just lose that creative touch that they used to have for no explicable.
phil labonte
I mean, these guys have been doing it for now, what, 25 years or something?
mary morgan
You burn out.
james fishback
Since 97.
So, I mean, 330 episodes in the show.
Last time I watched it, I was in middle school.
tim pool
$30 million an episode.
james fishback
Think about that.
$30 million an episode, Tim.
And that's all they could pull together.
The real way to think about a joke is if you can take that joke about Trump's penis or this, that, And the other, and you can swap out Trump with any other person you want to mock.
phil labonte
Yep.
james fishback
And it even remotely makes sense.
It can't be funny.
unidentified
They did a great job.
james fishback
That sketch that he just brought up, that sketch.
That's a perfect sketch because it won, it only would apply to Trump.
You couldn't put anybody else in that sketch and it'd still be funny.
tim pool
It's what they used to do.
unidentified
Right.
james fishback
It's what they used to do.
mary morgan
They've had their moments in the past few years.
They did a really good job making fun of Kathleen Kennedy at Lucasfilm.
And it was kind of nice to see that they were willing to punch at both sides.
tim pool
But this is, you're making a good point based on what you're saying, James, is that the joke only applied to Kathleen Kennedy.
Cartman is sitting in a room and they're like, we want to do a movie about dogs.
Make it gay.
Make it a chick and make it gay.
And it's like, that's what she was doing.
That's what she was doing.
Having Trump just shake around a tiny wiener and try to bang Satan, it was literally just Saddam Wussy.
james fishback
I think I was accused of that in seventh grade of having a tiny wiener and trying to bang Satan too, right?
It wasn't funny then to me because it was so tired.
mary morgan
What the?
james fishback
But no, but I mean, like, that is the insult that gets tossed around, right?
Your mom is so fat, that kind of thing.
It can't be funny because it's so cliched.
tim pool
So I actually think they're trying to bait Trump into criminal charges because they've published to YouTube and in the episode AI video of Trump total nudity.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
Like full frontal.
And he's looking down at his tiny wiener and then the penis talks.
And that's a violation of, what is it called?
The Take It Down Act.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
To make sexual images using deep fake and publish it.
It was bipartisan.
It was illegal.
james fishback
Usher by the First Lady.
tim pool
Yeah, I think they're intentionally trying to bait Trump to get him to take action against him.
Instead, Trump just insults him and says, I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
But I do think it should be illegal to publish AI-generated pornography of someone regardless of whether it's a politician.
tim pool
Well, you got to be careful.
And this argument, they'd say it's not pornography.
Trump's just naked.
Take it down X says intimate images.
So it covers what they did.
unidentified
Intimate images, meaning...
mary morgan
Okay, well, there you go.
tim pool
But the left would argue pornography is something different.
mary morgan
What makes it different?
tim pool
Pornography is implied to be sexual acts, not just nudity.
The implication is.
mary morgan
I mean, most OnlyFans pages these days are actually just naked photos.
So, I mean, it's still pornography.
tim pool
Yeah, the difference is the intention for sexual titillation.
And if you argue that nudity, the intention with this was not to get people off.
mary morgan
It was mockery.
unidentified
Right.
mary morgan
I understand that, but still.
tim pool
I agree.
I mean, I don't know if Trump should take action against them.
I'd actually say like this.
This is the law.
It was bipartisan.
Democrats and Republicans agreed on it.
So why would Trump not enforce the law?
He's not banning TikTok and he should.
If he's going to have personal reasons for not enforcing the law, I guess.
mary morgan
On the TikTok front, I thought they were buying out the U.S. assets and making it into MDT.
tim pool
Who's they, though?
mary morgan
I forget who the list of buyers included.
tim pool
The point is that Trump has continually given them extensions, despite the fact that it should have been shut down.
mary morgan
The decision was made, though.
It was only a couple of weeks ago.
tim pool
Right.
And when the law was first enacted, Trump said, I'm not going to enforce the law.
And then when the month was up, he says, I'm not going to enforce the law.
And now they have a decision.
Right.
So Trump makes decisions when he should or should not enforce the law.
It's what the executive does, I guess.
In this regard, it violates the Take It Down Act.
Trump could just say, take it down.
Fine them.
unidentified
But then they're going to be like, when you offended conservatives?
james fishback
But that's what they want.
They wanted to bait us in that, Phil.
They wanted to bait us into that.
Same people that yelled Snowflake cancel culture trying to cancel a comedy show.
tim pool
That's why the episode's not funny.
Correct.
There were a few chuckles.
Cartman is upset that Woke is dead and he has nothing to do anymore.
So I guess they're mocking anti-woke media or something.
And then he says, you know, he threatens to kill himself and Butters.
And so there were a little bit of chuckles there, but it's kind of weak.
But I will give him that.
Cartman being upset that Woke is dead was an actual joke on satirizing the current state of affairs.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
That he had nothing to do anymore.
His activism was over.
The Trump stuff was literally just, it was dejected.
It jumped from scene to scene that made no sense.
Like one scene is at a party, and there's a weird song saying, Christ makes money, Christ makes money.
And like a big component of the show is they're mocking Jesus.
The issue that the citizens of South Park are angry with at Trump, the reason why they want to riot, is because Trump mandates prayer in school.
And Stan won't, he says, we don't have any room at our table for Jesus.
So politically correct principal is now power Christian principal.
And they ask him why he's a Christian, and he says it feels right.
Then they show Trump at a pool where it's singing a song where they're going, Christ makes money, Christ makes money.
And then for seemingly no reason, Trump is now inside the White House where Pam Bondi says your supporters are mad.
Then he, Saddam Hussein voices, gets on the phone.
They threaten him for some reason, but none of it really makes sense as to why they're mad at him because it's not about Epstein.
They don't say anything.
It's almost like the episode was made before, like this week, and they knew what was going on in the news cycle.
You know, South Park, Notorious, was famous for getting all their episodes done in four days or something like that.
This one didn't address anything or mock anything in particular.
They just kind of, and then at the end, Jesus shows up and stands on a giant loaf of bread and then is talking under his breath about how he has no choice but to come to the people of South Park and perform a sermon because Trump's threatening to sue him.
And then the people of South Park panic because Jesus tells them Trump will sue him.
So they agree to settle with Trump.
And in the settlement, they have to make a PSA about how great Trump is.
And it's just an AI video live action of Donald Trump fully naked.
And you watch him walking buck naked to the desert.
And then he stares at his penis for like 30 seconds.
mary morgan
This sounds like a fever dream.
tim pool
Sounds like they didn't actually want to do anything and got $30 million.
So here's a question for you guys.
If they offered you $1.5 billion to do this, would you do it?
phil labonte
To do what?
To make South Park?
I mean...
Oh, no.
No.
tim pool
$1.5 billion.
mary morgan
There are plenty of better ways to mock Trump.
So, yes.
james fishback
How would you mock Trump?
mary morgan
I mean, I think that he's making a fool of himself lately, and there are plenty of opportunities to write jokes out of that.
I mean, I don't know, not Matt and Trey, but.
tim pool
Amnesty on Farm Workers.
mary morgan
Do you disagree?
james fishback
No, I do disagree, yeah.
So the Amnesty on Farm Workers point, I think we can talk a little bit about that, but I think look at what Salazar tried to do a week and a half ago with the so-called Dignity Act, right?
You've seen this, of course, right?
Maria Salazar, the Republican congresswoman from Florida.
She's trying to pass a bill that says that if you've been in this country for even upwards of 30 years illegally, you only have to pay a $7,000 fine and you get to stay here indefinitely.
The president's opposed to that.
And so the idea that we would give amnesty to anyone to be allowed to stay here to continue to take American jobs, take American benefits, whether it's Medicaid or education or healthcare, I think the president's against that.
mary morgan
Well, I was trying not to say the E-word, but I was more so referring to the Epstein-related concept.
james fishback
What would you want him to do on Epstein a little bit differently?
mary morgan
Literally everything.
How about not lie?
james fishback
What did he lie about?
mary morgan
He's outwardly lying to the American people, saying that it's a hoax, and then telling them that they are traitors to his movement for asking very reasonable questions.
Do you really feel like totally okay with the way he's handled this situation?
james fishback
Look, I think that I would lay the blame at Pam Bondi for setting expectations a certain way when she said, they're on my desk and handed out a bunch of phony binders to a bunch of influencers.
mary morgan
That's laughable.
I think Pam Bondi is getting scapegoated.
Like, okay, sure, she looks idiotic, but the buck stops with Trump.
And he overpromised and knew that he was overpromising on this.
james fishback
When did he overpromise?
mary morgan
Prior to the election, he was asked, are you going to unseal the JFK documents?
Are you going to unseal the MLK files?
And then once it got to Epstein, he said, yeah.
unidentified
But like, you know, there might be some innocent people in there.
mary morgan
You know, we want to kind of, you know, have a common sense approach, you know, and then I could tell from that moment on that he wasn't going to follow through on that promise.
And it's gotten worse than just not following through because they shouldn't have even addressed it if they weren't planning to follow through.
It shouldn't have even been mentioned.
It's also not a popularly, like, it's not a voting issue.
No one voted on it.
And now we've gotten to the point where they are just piling lie on top of lie on top of lie.
And it's kind of pathetic to watch Trump doubling down every single day, as well as his supporters, some of whom are trying to maintain the access they have to him and the rest of the White House, people who either have jobs there already or want jobs there.
james fishback
Sure.
Look, I get where you're coming from.
It's frustrating.
What I will say is this, though.
When we say what the, and by the way, that interview was Fox News.
Rachel Campo-Stuffy asked President Trump in that interview.
He went Fox, went JFK, MLK, and then asked about the Epstein files.
Here's the issue with the Epstein files for just a moment.
You have grand jury transcripts, you have FBI transcripts where all things, all sorts of things were said.
I'll give you just one example.
Matt Gaetz, as we all know, was investigated by the Department of Justice and the FBI for allegedly sex trafficking teenagers across state lines, federal sex trafficking law.
He was not charged.
Do you believe that they should release the Matt Gaetz files, the DOJ?
mary morgan
Okay.
Are you saying that those are comparable situations?
james fishback
No, I'm not saying at all.
I'm not saying at all.
But what I am saying here is that in both of those cases, one is not being charged.
The other is beyond the statute of limitation.
So give me an example.
If we had video right now that conclusively proved that Bill Clinton, who was an absolute sick man, did in fact sex trafficking young girls, the statute of limitations on that is eight years.
unidentified
Yeah.
james fishback
Right?
You cannot bring a case against that individual for that.
tim pool
Then they should publish the videos.
mary morgan
No one was really expecting that.
Bill Clinton charged past statute of limitations without proper evidence.
tim pool
The reason for wanting the files to be released is for exactly this point.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
So if there's video of Clinton abusing girls, yeah, we're not going to release that.
james fishback
Sure.
tim pool
If there's video evidence of him doing some kind of business transaction and loading girls into a van or whatever, you blur it and you release it.
james fishback
Absolutely.
tim pool
So that's why people want the Epstein stuff released.
mary morgan
Also, the child abuse aspect of it obviously is horrific, but I almost think that it is being used as the salacious tabloid version of what we're really talking about, which is a blackmail ring that allegedly controls the policies and statements and votes of all of our leaders.
And child abuse just happens to be the vehicle for it.
So I think there's maybe a little bit too much focus on the salacious nature of it and not on the substance of the issue, which is a blackmail operation run by Epstein, who is allegedly an intelligence asset for some government, probably Mossad.
That's the substance of the issue.
phil labonte
So that, well, that, I mean, that's what people believe, or that's part of what people believe, but is that what you believe as well?
mary morgan
I don't know.
I'm not going to claim to know.
I'm not going to sit here and claim that I know anything, especially because they haven't released these details, and they won't.
phil labonte
That's why I asked if that's what you believe, not what you not.
I'm not asking.
mary morgan
I believe there's strong evidence for it, but I'm certainly no expert, but neither are any of the people who are rightfully demanding this information.
james fishback
But what if the FBI interviewed a Democratic operative, someone who hated Trump in, say, 2015, 2016, who lied, knowingly lied to the FBI about all these salacious allegations?
That would be released under the Epstein files as well as an FBI interview that was undertaken by someone who was knowingly lying, right?
And look, the president asked this grand jury transcript to be released in the Southern District of Florida.
The judge denied that from being unsealed.
I'm with you on this.
We need to get to the bottom of it.
But I think the question is, what do we mean by the Epstein files?
What does that actually mean?
So if we drop that PDF on your computer, what's going to be in there?
What type of documents?
mary morgan
Okay, no one thought that Epstein had an Excel spreadsheet on his computer That had like my clients, number one, Bill Clinton, number two, Donald Trump.
Like, nobody thought there was a spreadsheet of clients.
But this guy was inviting politicians and public figures and celebrities to his home and had cameras rolling the entire time and had prostitutes there who were underage.
phil labonte
This is a point that I made the other night or whatever.
Like, when people say Epstein list, what they're conceptualizing differs significantly from one person to the next and to the next.
Correct.
Some people believe that it's a list of people that actually engaged in sexual activity with minors.
Some people think it's a list of people that are being blackmailed.
Some people think that it's just a list of people that have been to the island and a list.
And some people think it's just a list of people that have flown on his jet.
And that's actually even already been disclosed.
I don't know which one is right, but I do know that there's a wide variety of what people conceptualize when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein.
mary morgan
We should have the unredacted files of each one of those categories that you mentioned.
phil labonte
I don't think there is unredacted files of all of those.
I think that there's some kind of list of associates, but I don't know that they're a list of people that he was blackmailing.
I don't know if it's a list of people that had engaged in sexual activity with minors.
I don't, you know, rape of minors.
I don't know what it is.
I'm just saying that people have a different conception of what has actually happened.
And I think that there are two groups of people, and I've said this before, but there are two groups of people that are really passionate about it.
And they're small groups of people, but they're extremely vocal.
There are the people that...
tim pool
And sorry to interrupt, but it's fine.
The question I was having is, would you accept $1.5 billion in order to insult Donald Trump?
Mary said yes.
The question was, what could you mock him for?
And then it turned into a debate over the Epstein files again.
mary morgan
I would mock him for that, yes.
tim pool
I agree.
I agree.
Trump could be mocked over the Epstein files.
And that's my principal complaint with the South Park episode is that they didn't mock him over anything.
james fishback
Correct.
I mean, I think that's low-hanging fruit.
I think I would have mocked Pam Bondi for having these binders that information that was six, seven years old, and having influencers pose with them.
That would be a really funny scene to mock.
tim pool
They could have made fun of the lists on my desk.
james fishback
Yes.
tim pool
They could have had Eric, Stan, Kyle, and Cartman go to the White House and walk out holding up the binders.
james fishback
Exactly.
That'd be hilarious.
tim pool
And inside the binders, it's just pictures of crudely drawn crayon cats like Trump made.
They could have done a bunch of stuff.
james fishback
You could have had the Wall Street Journal so-called letter, right?
And joked about that.
But Mary, I see where you're coming from, and I share the frustration.
But if you care about, and I know that you do, about this issue of transparency, we have a president who's taken more questions in the last 48 hours than it seems like Joe Biden did in four years.
We have a president who shut down the southern border where tens of thousands of women every single week were being trafficked into sex slavery.
This has been a president who stood up for women.
I want to see more done on the Epstein files, but I agree with Phil.
We have to understand first and foremost what that means.
I grew up in South Florida.
There is a world in which I could have easily crossed paths with Epstein and had lunch with him as I was soliciting a donation for my nonprofit or my hedge fund.
He was, you know, had I not, I don't run background checks on folks before I meet with them.
So I think there's a world in which we're going to end up hurting people who end up getting lumped into these files.
Oh, the files are anybody who ever emailed with Epstein over the last 10 years prior to him being killed.
And make no mistake, he was killed.
Jeffrey Epstein was killed.
There's no doubt about that.
phil labonte
I mean, if you ask Captain Town.
mary morgan
Since we're talking about South Park, though, my question is, is that something they wanted to write?
Is that an episode that they wanted to write, but were told explicitly by executives at the network that they were not allowed to write?
Because I think that's plausible.
phil labonte
I mean, maybe it was, but I take, I will, like, Tim's point is well taken.
They did have a plethora of things that they could have talked about.
tim pool
Seamus does it all the time.
phil labonte
Every, what, once a week?
mary morgan
Seamus is independent.
They are not.
They are under the drum of this network that probably wouldn't want them to touch certain subjects.
tim pool
I think they're lazy and checked out.
And these old boomer fogies, I'm not blaming all boomers.
unidentified
Calm down.
tim pool
I'm saying there's a bunch of boomers who are like, we don't know how to be funny and edgy.
Let's hire the South Park guys.
They're young and fun.
It's like they're 60 or whatever.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
What are they 50s?
phil labonte
They're in their 50s.
They're probably, I think they're older than me, so they're in their 50s.
tim pool
And they were like, they're funny.
They were funny in the 90s, dude.
When did that show start 94 or something?
phil labonte
97 or something like that.
96.
tim pool
97.
97.
And they had a good run in the early 2000s, and it's been all downhill since then.
They've got some good episodes.
The Obama Diamond Heist was funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
james fishback
Remember Kanye?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Fish sticks.
james fishback
Hilarious sticks.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
They had a bunch.
And the point of that was that he couldn't understand what they were saying in the joke, and he was taking everything personally.
They don't mock Trump.
And you know what?
At most, it was a unique joke to Yay.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
With Trump, they were just like, I don't know.
He's got a small dick.
Just show it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, guys, you could be funny.
But let's jump to this next story.
We got this from Politico.
Judge orders Kilmar Obrego Garcia released from criminal custody.
phil labonte
Well, that's insane.
tim pool
Though immigration enforcement officials signaled that he's likely to be redetained when he arrives in Maryland.
I love this because my question is just like, look, guys, I don't want to be pessimistic.
I do know that we have a lot of great victories to the Trump administration, but holy crap.
Come on.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, to be fair, this can't be laid at the feet of the Trump administration.
Well, because this is...
tim pool
They brought him back.
phil labonte
No, these are the people that are releasing him.
I'm talking about this particular thing, the release of him.
tim pool
Trump brought him back.
phil labonte
Yes, fine.
That can be laid at the feet of the Trump administration.
But the release of him can't be.
They should have left him at Seacot or whatever it is down in.
tim pool
Of course, this is his fault.
The immediate assumption is: if you return the Maryland man to the United States, they're going to release him.
Trump's DOJ knew that.
Are they this weak that they can't deport a guy charged with human smuggling, a known member of MS-13?
They can't deport a guy back to his home country.
This is absolutely insane.
mary morgan
This is what's so frustrating.
It's like nothing can be Trump's fault and nothing can be Trump administration's fault.
That's how it feels these days.
So it's scrolling through the timeline is all of these people making excuses.
phil labonte
I disagree.
I think that most people that are talking about specifically the Epstein file stuff, like that's everyone is calling it Trump, the Trump administration's fault.
But when it comes to like, when it comes to this, yes, okay, so fine.
If you want to lay this at Trump's feet, the Garcia stuff, fine.
But it's not like they're not deporting people.
Now, I understand that you have a problem.
I know, roll your eyes because you don't think they're deporting enough.
But like they've done really, really significant work at the border.
There were like no crossing last week.
mary morgan
My point was always just 14,000 in a month is not mass deportations.
And it's not even like a fraction that if we kept going with numbers like that, that would be way less than a million in his entire term.
james fishback
We have a million self-deportations.
unidentified
Yeah.
james fishback
A million people logging onto the CBP home app at CBP1, taking the $1,000 check and saying, I'm going to take my trip back.
You know why?
tim pool
Because they've not learned.
mary morgan
That's not what anyone voted for.
james fishback
We voted for them to leave.
We didn't vote for them to leave in a certain way.
tim pool
They've not formally published that.
I think only Trump has said it.
Trump and Christine Noam.
They've not formally, through records in the DHS, drafted the report of like the total.
mary morgan
I don't think ICE is published.
tim pool
We tried fact-checking this and we couldn't find anything other than a quote from, I think, like Christine Omen Trump.
mary morgan
No, like, everything Trump does is so great.
phil labonte
No, no one's saying that.
Like, it's just no, no one's saying that.
tim pool
Trump can't do anything wrong.
When will you understand this?
mary morgan
I need to understand this.
I need to go to the re-education camp.
I need to go to Alligator Alcatraz.
tim pool
Well, the point of Alligator Alcatraz is truth and good incarnate.
And that means if he does it, it's true and good.
phil labonte
Maybe, look, maybe I have a different perspective because I am looking at what is going on in comparison to what the option was, right?
Like if the option is Donald Trump or Kamala Harris and four more years of Democrats and four more years of unlimited immigration and four more years of more DEI programs in the government, the things that have changed since Donald Trump has been elected are massive and it is significantly better than the option.
And we only had two options.
It's not like there was a third option that we could have gone with.
mary morgan
We should compare Trump and the actions of his administration, not to what could have been if Kamala won, but what he promised.
We should compare Trump to Trump.
We should compare Trump's actions to Trump's words.
phil labonte
He should be compared realistically.
Realistically, considering you're talking about politics in Washington, D.C., he should be compared to every single president before him.
How much has any other president gotten done in the first six months?
tim pool
And they're all on the Epsde list.
phil labonte
Fine.
But like, legitimately, like, I understand that you're saying, well, Trump made all these promises and he hasn't done enough to make me feel like he's actually following through.
Fair enough, okay?
But you also have to deal with the fact that like there is a way that things get done in D.C. Like no one wants to look at how sausage is made.
And this is something that I've talked about prior to Trump getting elected or early when he got elected.
Like we only have a narrow majority in both the House and the Senate, right?
You have to, you can't get a bunch of stuff passed if you don't have 60 senators.
And there are not 60 senators.
They have three, it's 53 with J.D. Vance and two of them are as wishy-washy as it comes, right?
And then in the House, I think they have like 10.
I'm not sure what the lead is, but eight.
So there is a process that must happen in the House and in the Senate before things can get done.
Trump has done a significant amount of stuff through executive order.
The government has not been smaller in 30 or 40 years, I think, since the creation of Homeland Security and since 9-11 at least.
There are significant things that have happened.
Now, I can totally respect the idea that he's not doing as much as you want or as much as he promised.
But to say that he's not doing things or to say that there's like he's a failure when he's six months in and has done more than any other president in this amount of time, I think that's not, I just don't think that's.
tim pool
He's hired 26,000 IRS agents.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's one of the things that he's done.
So again, you can be, I understand people that are critical and saying that, oh, he needs to do more, but the idea that, oh, he's not done anything, he's terrible, blah, blah, blah, like that is just not true, especially when you compare him to the reality of what other presidents have done and the resistance that he's getting in Washington, D.C. I don't know if I'm even saying he's terrible, he fails at everything, blah, blah, blah, as you were saying.
mary morgan
I just want to consider that six months is a longer time than you seem to be framing it, especially considering that as soon as the clock strikes 12 for 2026, all anyone is going to be thinking about is the midterms.
And then by the time those are over, all anyone's going to be thinking about is who's running in 2028.
phil labonte
You're 100% right.
And that's something that we've talked about here.
18 months.
That's all he's got.
And I've said multiple times.
tim pool
If he's going to go after Obama, it has to be in the next couple of months.
phil labonte
When it comes to the Obama stuff, I've been reading some of this stuff, and I'm not 100% sure that there's an actual crime.
It's immoral and it's bad.
tim pool
There is.
phil labonte
I'm not sure what the actual statute they charge him on.
tim pool
So I'll tell you, Phil.
It is Trump looks at the statutes, figures out which one makes the most sense, tells a jury to pick the crime that they want, and they charge Obama with it like they did to Trump.
The standard that was created by Democrats is they can bring anybody they want to court and tell the jury, we have no evidence of any underlying crimes.
You decide if a crime was committed and then tell if it's guilty or not.
And then when they do it in West Virginia and everyone goes, sure, he's guilty of, I don't know, jaywalking and murder and whatever else.
It doesn't matter what the crime is.
All that matters is you agree Obama's guilty.
phil labonte
I'm completely comfortable with that.
Because that was the standard set by the Democrats.
tim pool
So, first, as Mike Davis pointed out, you have potentially conspiracy against rights.
That is, in the documents that were released, let me tell you what CNN has been doing.
There's two IC assessments.
There's a 2016 Russia interference assessment and the 2020 post-Russia Gate assessment.
The 2020 assessment says that Barack Obama knew that the intelligence they had was raw and bad and did not meet the standard for publishing as it was uncorroborated and it was a sentenced fragment they could not corroborate, but ordered Brennan to publish it anyway.
What did Brennan do?
Despite all of everything they were saying, now you can make the argument, oh, okay, well, you know, never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Obama is just dumb.
Nobody's going to believe that.
james fishback
Nobody's going to believe that.
tim pool
No sane, rational person is going to go, Obama was just a bumbling moron.
No, Obama intentionally had them release information as a predicate for the RussiaGate hoax, which resulted in the arrest of several of Trump's associates, falsified evidence against Carter Page, Ukraine leaking damning information against Manafort, and then not to mention Flynn, Papadopoulos, and Trump himself, who they targeted him for three years as a potential traitor to this country.
If that's not a crime, you want to tell me that there's some dude who like bashed an ATM up and is going to jail?
I got to tell you, the dude who grabbed $73 out of a cash register at Bodega did substantially less damage to this country than Barack Obama did.
james fishback
The Jay Sixers who peacefully walked around the Capitol for 20 minutes.
tim pool
In the velvet ropes.
james fishback
Exactly.
They behave themselves unlike BLM.
tim pool
Conspiracy against rights is the easiest if you're trying to be a paladin.
If you want to be a rogue who wins, it is, I don't know, pick and choose.
We can probably get them on a lot of things.
phil labonte
But look at that.
tim pool
The nature of politics is what irks me about the Republican Party.
The Republican Party pretends that the nature of politics is, well, let me take a look at this here piece of paper.
Let's see what we got here.
It says here that we can't charge Obama.
Dratz after everything he did.
Looks like he got away with it.
Democrats go like, the law says that, anyway, arrest him.
That's how the Democrats run.
phil labonte
I'm in 100% agreement with if they can come up with something, then I'm perfectly fine with it.
Because go ahead.
james fishback
What they can do, Phil, right away is they can subpoena Obama to appear before Congress.
Obama will lie under oath, as he has time and again, and then hit him with the same thing he hit everyone else with.
All the jury traps.
All the perjury traps.
By the way, Fauci, we know he perjured himself before the House committees on the question of gain of fighting.
tim pool
Why aren't they arresting him?
james fishback
Why is Cash Patel not at Fauci's door in Glover Park with an FBI squad taking him into custody?
How many conservatives have they thrown in prison because of that?
Right?
And so Fauci, charge him tomorrow, but Obama just subpoena him.
Can you imagine, by the way, House Republicans and Senate Republicans grilling Obama the optics of that, having to explain himself?
It'll be the most watched congressional testimony.
The second one says something.
Have cashed him.
Have cash and Dan Bongino take him into cuffs right after the campaign meeting's over.
They won't do it.
tim pool
They won't do it.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Mike Cernovich made a great point today.
He said with, you know, Thomas Massey, he's got this picture of him with this binder on the Epstein files.
How come none of these people, these Democrats or Republicans who want the Epstein files released, have had any hearings on Epstein and called in the prosecutors, Comey's daughter, perhaps, or even people like him to testify as to what Epstein was doing?
That's right.
So I forgive me if I'm going to be a little pessimistic.
I know Trump has done a lot of really great things, and I still think he's the best president of my lifetime because he's gotten things done.
But I don't think the system is going to change.
I don't think they're going to go after the corruption.
I think it's you got two high-profile, powerful, you know, high seats of power in politics.
And they're basically saying, I don't feel like the fight.
Fauci should be in jail.
Even Newsweek published he lied to Congress and lied under oath.
Rand Paul has reiterated numerous times and referred him to the DOJ.
It is the simplest case.
james fishback
It's the simplest case.
tim pool
It is in public.
He did this.
And he lied about gain of function research.
He said they weren't doing it.
They were doing it.
Great.
Pam Bondi could have a warrant for his arrest overnight, and they won't do it.
james fishback
Why?
phil labonte
Well, the reason is because that, just like Aaron McIntyre, our friend says, is they just don't have the courage, right?
Like if you don't exercise power when you have it, which is what the Republicans should do, but if you don't exercise power when you have it, your enemies absolutely will.
And that's what the Democrats have shown over and over and over.
They arrested Trump.
They arrested all of his lawyers, or they, you know, prosecuting all of his lawyers, et cetera.
All these people, they've got the mug shots and stuff.
They will do it if they get back into power.
So the Republicans absolutely have to do this stuff or else the American people are going to totally lose faith that they have the ability to actually make changes.
james fishback
Correct.
And make no mistake, Barack Hussein Obama is a treasonous criminal, but Anthony Fauci is a murderer.
Anthony Fauci's death count is well over five to 10 million people because of the gain of function China virus, right?
He lied about that.
And so the time they spent, Tim, that little intern of Pam Bondi's printing those binders and putting them together and bringing them to the east wing of the White House, they could have written the four-page indictment.
That's all you need is four pages.
On this date, he said this.
That was a lie according to Exhibit A. Therefore, we are charging him with U.S. Code Title 18.
Boom.
Take him into custody, bring him before the court.
tim pool
Indeed.
Let's jump to this next story.
This is from the New York Times.
Appeals court blocks Trump's attempt to restrict birthright citizenship.
The ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit brings the White House's theory of citizenship closer to a full Supreme Court review.
In the meantime, of course, Trump is being blocked.
And you know what I was thinking?
We have another story here.
J.D. Vance pushes for automation of agricultural industry, no amnesty for illegal immigrant farm workers.
I'm going to put on my conspiracy cap for a second.
If you knew the history of, say, like the Luddites, how automation took their jobs away, this was largely what they opposed: the automation taking away their work and leaving them destitute.
You would plan for AI and automation.
What's a clever way to deal with it?
Mass migration.
Create the problem.
The people react to it.
And then you offer them the solution.
You know what we're going to do?
We're going to deport all of those people who took your jobs.
And you know what?
We're going to replace them with robots.
If you just said, we are going to fire our farm workers and replace them with robots, you'd have riots.
james fishback
Yes.
tim pool
But if you replace the workers slowly over time with illegal immigrants, piss off all the people about the jobs being taken away, then J.D. Vance says, we're going to get rid of them and replace them with robots.
Now there's no one to protest.
james fishback
Correct.
tim pool
So maybe that was the play.
I don't know.
Conspiracy theory.
james fishback
Well, it's an interesting one, right?
Because they're both bad.
But to your point, the way it was sequenced out, right?
You have Kilmar picking the strawberries and more appropriately, the 10-year-old who's forced to pick Chelsea Handler's weeds so she can pick up the picture.
tim pool
Kilmar was picking the people.
james fishback
He was picking the people and transferring them in his trunk.
Look, automation should not be opposed for automation's sake.
The reason, though, we've automated car factories for the past 70, 80 years is that actually in some agricultural spaces, like strawberries, for example, it doesn't make sense to automate.
These are delicate fruits that humans need to pick.
You don't need migrants to do that.
You don't need slaves to do that.
You can pay Americans a dignified, living, fair market wage, and they'll gladly do that work, Tim.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I've heard that part of the reason why they don't haven't automated strawberries is because the low-pay workers are an option.
tim pool
They're cheaper.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Cheaper than the robots.
phil labonte
Well, not only that, but they haven't made the robots because they have robots that can do all sorts of things.
tim pool
Agrobot, Octinian, and Harvest Crew pick strawberries.
But it's cheaper to have slave labor.
james fishback
Well, it's cheaper to have slave labor.
There's no question about that.
The question is whether it makes sense for some places to make that large upfront capital investment for robotics versus even paying folks $20, $25 an hour.
So it's not a clear-cut thing.
phil labonte
Sure.
james fishback
Some places have kiosks like McDonald's.
Some places actually like In N-Out Burger, you walk up and you order your burger and fries.
phil labonte
So how far out do you think like automated, like, you know, humanoid robots like Optimus, how long do you think until those could do the job that like immigrant workers are doing now?
james fishback
So I spent a lot of time thinking about this because I run an investment firm and Tesla is among our largest positions.
So we have to think about and model out Optimus.
So as we speak right now, Optimus is serving popcorn at the Tesla diner in LA.
tim pool
Really?
james fishback
Yes.
Serving popcorn totally autonomously.
You go up to it, hands you the thing, puts it in there, hands it over.
That's incredible.
tim pool
I don't believe it.
They had that party with the Optimus bots and it turned out they were remote control.
james fishback
But they admitted that.
What they've said now is this is actually an autonomous Optimus.
That was eight months ago.
It's now been trained on the model even better.
Now, it's not talking to you in a coherent way, but it's just, it's all it's doing is grabbing the popcorn, putting it in hand.
tim pool
They know they have Grok.
james fishback
I mean, they can add Grok to it.
They now added Grok to the Tesla.
tim pool
To your question, no, because I have Android, and it used to be the Big Speed digital assistant.
I would just press the button and say weather.
And then it would just, it would pull up a window showing the weather.
Now it's some weird guy going, hi, Tim.
The weather for today is going to be, I'm like, shut your mouth.
james fishback
Just give me the weather.
tim pool
Just give me a picture I can look at.
james fishback
Correct.
tim pool
Now it just goes, today's weather is going to be a high of.
And I'm like, it takes longer.
james fishback
That's why ChatGPT is really impressive with their building under OpenAI is because they have what's called memory and they have context.
So if you tell ChatGPT once, Tim, I only want you to give me the weather or show me an image, it will remember that across all your devices.
tim pool
Well, do you guys know who Gunther Eagleman is on X?
phil labonte
Yeah, I do, yeah.
tim pool
Rock says that he killed the guy.
Yeah, something like that.
james fishback
Well, Robbie Starbuck was defamed apparently by a chatbot.
tim pool
Yeah, I think, who was he?
Was it GPT?
james fishback
It was a Meta.
tim pool
Oh, it was Meta.
It's Meta.
james fishback
He said that he stormed the Capitol.
tim pool
Yep, yep, yep.
And so I saw this thread.
Gunther Eagleman is like, you were wrong.
I did not kill anybody.
And it was like arguing with him.
It was like, I don't know.
It was like a police report saying you did.
And then he posted a picture of the police report.
It was a different guy with a similar name.
james fishback
Interesting.
tim pool
And then Grok was like, I hereby retract all statements.
I was wrong.
james fishback
Oh, wow.
tim pool
And I thought, that's really interesting.
Like, what, why would it just assume whatever he sent was real?
So I opened up the Grok app and then I typed it in.
Did Gunther Eagleman kill a guy?
And it said, yes, he did.
It said, there are conflicting reports.
However, a man of the same name did slash someone in the neck, killing him or something like that.
I don't know if he killed him.
And it was like, though, he has disputed this in the past.
And I'm like, whoa, whoa, wait.
You can't just say that about somebody.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
Now, he's a public figure to a certain degree.
I don't know what the law would be in that regard, but it is wild that two things in this.
We know they lie about everybody and we know that they hallucinate and make things up.
But it was really rather shocking to me that on X, he posted an image of the police report and it immediately rewrote its own memory and backtracked everything it was saying.
And I'm like, so anybody can just make fake stuff and feed it into the AI?
Yeah.
There was an article written about me claiming that Tim Cast IRL makes $175 million a year because I was mocking Colbert and made a joke.
A news article gets written about it and now it's a fact.
The AI is going to ingest that news.
And so then I went to, I think like GPT and I said, how much does Tim Cast IRL make?
And it said, conflicting reports.
One report suggests he makes $175 million per year, although that number seems very high for a podcast.
Typical ranges are estimated between $5 and $8 million a year or something like that.
And I'm like, no joke.
Somebody literally saw a gag tweet from me, wrote a story about it.
It got ingested by the training models because they're online.
And now it is legitimately telling people that it's possible we make $175 million.
james fishback
It's amazing.
Imagine what an investment algorithm would do.
And if you had a stock and then all of a sudden it knew you made $175 million, it could bid your stock higher on that False information, right?
But I think this goes to the point, Tim, that we are not automatically inferior to AI because we would look at that at first blush and say, Tim's smart, he's wealthy, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.
tim pool
Except there were tons of people responding, being like, Whoa, you make 175 million.
And then people responding with, Wow, what do you spend that money on?
And it's just like, oh my God.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
That's crazy.
phil labonte
I mean, it is still hallucinating, but it's still like an infant technology.
james fishback
It is.
phil labonte
You know, whether it be AI or whether you're talking about robotics.
james fishback
Robotics actually are not infant, but having robotics that can train themselves on its own neural net where you go to Optimus and Optimus has never picked up books and put them on a bookshelf before, but knows through its training, through the neural networks.
unidentified
Wow, dude.
tim pool
Dude, ChatGPT says Gunther Eagleman stabbed a guy.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Even though he wasn't.
Yo, this is crazy.
Gunther, you got to sue.
I got to pull this up.
unidentified
This is a crazy story.
Gunther.
phil labonte
I'm sorry to hear that.
But yeah, so you're saying that Optimus actually is able to train itself?
Because I know that some of the ways that they have been working with the AI is basically they would put Optimus in a room with toys and it would literally play with toys.
So they've gotten to the point where it can actually interpret, like put these on the shelf and it'll do that stuff.
james fishback
Exactly.
And so the idea is use those model experiments to build out the physics engine of Optimus to train itself.
But for example, if we had an Optimus here, it would never have been necessarily trained on putting books and taking the covers off and putting them on a bookshelf.
Never have been explicitly trained on that, but could still render that task.
That's the power of it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
james fishback
Is you never have to train it to take out your trash or to pick something off the lawn, but it intuitively knows how to do that.
phil labonte
That's impressive because I was under the impression that essentially they were training it to do things.
And then once you trained one optimist how to do things, then all of the optimists would know how to do this one task.
But it's actually able to learn in the real world.
james fishback
So train it to do, say, 5% of all things.
So for example, I have never had to do the task of taking a book that is hardcover and putting the covers back on it.
I've never done that in my life on a large enough task, but I know how to do it, right?
And so the point is, how do you get Optimus' aggregate intelligence to be able to do tasks that it's never done before, but it can intuitively iterate and figure out how to do it on the fly?
phil labonte
This is actually smarter than the plug-in in the Matrix, where you plugged in and learned a certain task or whatever.
james fishback
Correct.
And I have, you know, I have a Tesla car, and it's the same thing.
That Tesla car, I live in rural Florida, about 20 miles south of the Georgia line.
That car has never been trained to drive in rural Florida.
Never.
It's never trained on my block, but it's been trained in San Francisco and other places as well to where it's built out this end-to-end neural net that even if it's never driven on those roads at those intersections on those roundabouts at those U-turns, it intuitively, neurally knows what to do next.
That's how you scale it.
Now, Waymo, that's the Google technology that they have.
It's fixed to a geofence.
So that same Waymo that can drive brilliantly in San Fran or LA or Phoenix, you put it here in West Virginia, it could not move 10 feet because it has not been expressly trained.
phil labonte
So they give Waymo the map.
james fishback
Exactly.
It knows where it is on the map, but it knows nothing else.
And so now what you're seeing play out is Waymo and Tesla's RoboTaxi in Austin in a very similarly sized geofence, but Tesla can scale like that.
Think of it this way.
Austin has 1,500 Uber drivers in the Austin metro area.
Tesla produces in its Texas factory 1,500 Model 3s and Model Ys every single day.
That means that in one day, Tesla could totally take over and be bigger than Uber in just Austin.
And then you have the fact that there are millions of Teslas all over the country that with a software update fill could become this robo-taxi and pick people up.
That is a massive deflationary force.
I'm also excited about it because it means that rural Americans can actually have a real form of transport to get around.
They need to get around.
A third of the country lives in rural America, but Uber doesn't exist out there.
Public transit doesn't exist out there.
And RoboTaxi can help getting people to church, to jobs, increase labor mobility, wages, et cetera.
tim pool
You know, the funny thing is there was a viral post where a guy worked for Lyft.
He posted how much money he made.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
And then he posted his yearly maintenance and repairs.
He lost money.
james fishback
Yep.
You cannot make money on Lyft.
tim pool
Yeah.
james fishback
You literally cannot make money on Lyft.
unidentified
Any of them.
james fishback
Yeah.
You cannot.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The driving apps, what they've basically done is trick people into stripping the equity out of their vehicles, thinking that they're getting money, but they're actually losing.
james fishback
Correct.
tim pool
You'd be better off just selling half your car to somebody and then using that money and then owing them or something.
phil labonte
That's right.
Do you think that robotic taxis will be profitable or can be profitable?
james fishback
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
phil labonte
So can you go ahead and can you unbox that?
james fishback
Sure.
So the biggest reason why is because they can run 24 hours a day, right?
The second reason why is that it's cheaper to power an electric car than it is to power a gas car.
It's about 80% cheaper.
So a lot of that cost is going to come out.
The third is the maintenance.
The average internal combustion engine car, ICE car, has over 10,000 moving parts.
The average Tesla has 90.
So think about the maintenance cost, the energy cost, the scaling cost going down by a factor of 1,100.
It's 100 times.
tim pool
So you're saying buy Tesla stock?
james fishback
They're saying buy Tesla stock.
I'll go even further.
tim pool
That's financial advice.
james fishback
That is financial advice.
I want to be careful there.
I believe you should buy Tesla stock, but I'll take it a step further.
We are launching at Azoria, my investment firm, Tim.
You're familiar with call options, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
james fishback
So we are launching a Tesla fund, the first of its kind, ETF, that buys both Tesla stock and call options on Tesla stock.
We think Tesla's going to $1,800 a share.
It's $330 right now.
It's going to $1,800 by $2030.
tim pool
Can you explain long, short call?
phil labonte
What's that ETF called again?
tim pool
People don't understand this thing.
james fishback
It's called TSLV.
It's coming out in two weeks.
Very simply, to your point on what a call option is, a call option allows you to own more of a stock than you want to put money into.
So if a stock like Tesla were to go up 20%, you could buy a call option that would only risk 1 20th of that amount of the Tesla stock, but your call option would go up 30%, 40%, 50%.
tim pool
What is the mechanism of that?
james fishback
It's an option.
So it's a listed option where you're essentially going to another person saying, I want to pay you X amount of money to be able to buy Tesla above a certain price.
You will sell me that because you're short, because you think Tesla is going to go down.
There's a lot of people who think Tesla is going to go down, a lot of short sellers.
That allows you to get leverage on the Tesla stock.
And so what you've seen, and Kathy Wood, I met with her about this recently.
She's the big investor.
She's been along Tesla for a decade now.
She made so much of her money early on just by buying Tesla call options.
Because if you told me right now, you guaranteed to me that Tesla was going to go up 40% in the next 12 months, I could put together a portfolio of options on Tesla call options that would go up 400% if I knew that it was going to go up 40%.
tim pool
When Elon started flirting with buying Twitter, the stock plummeted.
And I'm reading the news.
And we always talk about this on the show that we read the news the moment it happens.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
And then the stock is actually behind because most people don't learn as quickly as we do because we're on the forefront.
So when the Tesla thing happened, I thought to myself, how insane that Tesla stock would go down because people are political about Elon.
So I bought a bunch and doubled my money.
phil labonte
Nice.
james fishback
That was very smart.
Yeah.
And the same thing happened with the Doge stuff very, very early on.
Stock got down into the low 200s.
The thinking was that he was going to somehow hurt his brand.
Now, that's the case, Mary, if you believe that the company actually sells EVs as a business, that their job is to sell cars.
Their job is to sell their AI, is to license out their AI to build out the Optimus program.
No one's going to own a car probably in 20 years.
You have the right to, right?
But why own a car when you can have a robo-taxi pick you up for $3 and take you across town?
phil labonte
Because my Model S is sick.
james fishback
It's a great freaking car.
tim pool
Yeah, the planned feature for RoboCars, there was a viral video about this like a decade ago.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that nobody owns a car?
You think to yourself, we're going to go to a restaurant.
And then you take your phone and you just hit the ride share button.
And then you walk outside and literally within two minutes, the car is there because every car everywhere is automatic.
There will never be traffic again because as your car is about to enter the highway, it's communicating with the entire network of cars and they all can adjust, they can accelerate and decelerate at the exact same time and they can space out to make room for you to merge in perfectly.
So it's seamless.
Yes.
The funny thing is that there was a MythBusters episode on traffic where they had a bunch of cars drive in a circle and they created traffic jams and it was unavoidable because at a certain, you can't, you have a reaction time.
So when the car in front of you stops, you stop.
When they start, it takes a second to start again.
If all the cars are synchronized, they can all start at the same time and stop at the same time.
Never be trafficked again.
phil labonte
Never.
james fishback
Think about how much time that's going to save people, right?
mary morgan
This sounds deeply unappealing, though, because it means that people are going to have less self-determination if their ability to get transportation is controlled by a corporation.
tim pool
You mean when you say a naughty word and they ban you from driving?
mary morgan
Yeah, or who knows what else?
james fishback
It's not de-banking, it's de-driving.
tim pool
Yep.
mary morgan
Yes, yeah.
james fishback
So you're right, Mary.
I mean, there's reason to be concerned about it.
I think as long as you willingly partake in the system, now you should still be able to have the right to drive, of course.
No one should be subjected to this clauschwab, you know, the year is 2030, you own nothing, and you're very happy, right?
But if you go out of your way, and like tell my grandmother, she passed in September, she didn't have a means to transport herself for the last 10 years of her life.
She would have killed to be able to have a car pick her up and take her out.
And I think a lot of people are like that as well, who want to have a better job, who want to earn a better wage, but don't have a means to get across town or even the next county over surge and say, look, I want to be able to do that.
And for $2, $3, I can do that in the Tesla Robotaxi Network.
Now, there's going to be competition.
It won't just be one company.
Google will be in it.
Tesla will be in it and others.
But that's a really exciting future for a lot of people, I think, Phil.
phil labonte
Look, I'm not particularly put off by AI or robotics or anything like that.
I think that it's extremely exciting, and I think that it's going to be obviously disruptive, but I don't have like a doom and gloom outlook on it.
I think that there will be benefits that outweigh, significantly outweigh the cost and the negative factors.
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
We've got this viral video going around.
Law enforcement in Florida is warning of extremely dangerous door kick challenge.
Check this out.
So he's a bunch of people.
They walk up to the door.
Ring camera.
phil labonte
With airsoft guns.
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
So damn at night.
tim pool
I, uh.
Guys, you know, whenever I bring up social discohesion or whatever, people always go, this stuff always happens.
It's been happening forever.
It has never happened that rogue bands of teenagers took fake guns that sound, I don't want to say real, but to someone who doesn't know what's going on.
james fishback
They look real.
tim pool
Yeah.
They look real and they sound like something.
And for the average untrained person, it has never existed that this kind of stuff was happening and so frequently and so commonly.
phil labonte
Yeah, people will say, oh, well, you know, everyone knows Ding Dong Ditch and et cetera.
And I mean, even I have played that when I was a teenager, when I was a kid.
But we weren't going with masks on and we weren't going with toy guns trying to scare people.
And we weren't doing it in Florida, right?
james fishback
The worst, my state, the worst state to do it in.
phil labonte
The location does matter.
Like if you're doing that in Massachusetts, you will get one reaction from people.
If you're doing that in Florida or in West Virginia or in any other red, any other of many red states, you will get a totally different reaction.
And the results for the homeowner will not be as catastrophic because even if they did, God forbid, they actually shot a kid.
If the defense is, look, these kids were banging on my door and I saw them outside with a gun, even though they didn't know, even though it was airsoft, nobody would get convicted for that.
It's likely that they would not be found guilty of homicide.
Or they would consider it justifiable.
So don't do this.
This is dumb.
james fishback
Don't do it.
It's like the YouTube pranks, Phil, where they pull out a little fake revolver.
phil labonte
Yeah.
james fishback
except it looks real.
How would you know?
And they try to rob somebody on the New York subway.
tim pool
Are they doing that?
james fishback
Yeah, there's been videos of this done, right?
And one guy shot.
What was that one prank in New York?
He shot and he was acquitted, right?
Because in that moment, there's no expectation that you can differentiate between an airsoft gun.
It's not a toy gun, right?
A Nerf gun is a toy gun.
It's yellow and it's purple.
It looks like a real gun.
And so it's going to end in tragedy.
Sadly, probably one of those kids was going to have to get shot for this whole thing to end.
I hate to say it.
tim pool
But you don't even need a gun.
There was the story out of the mall just down here.
Which one was it?
The Dullest Town Center.
Where some YouTube prankster was getting in the face of some guy holding up a phone.
So the dude drew his gun and shot him in the stomach.
unidentified
Yes.
mary morgan
And when that kid ended up in the hospital, he came to his senses and told everyone he's going to keep chasing his YouTube dreams.
He doesn't care.
james fishback
Good lord.
tim pool
And YouTube should have banned him.
james fishback
It should have banned him.
But remember, if you questioned the 2020 election on YouTube, you were literally banned.
phil labonte
Well, for a while, it was that way.
tim pool
That jury got acquitted.
That was several years ago.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, it's a poor delivery driver, dude.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, look, Canner Cook.
tim pool
That dude should be banned from all social media.
phil labonte
As a very pro-Second Amendment guy that carries a gun and stuff, I cannot emphasize more strongly, do not do this stuff.
james fishback
Do not.
phil labonte
It is only going to end with bad things for everyone involved.
Because even if you're the person that, God forbid, shoots a kid, your life is going to be hell for two years.
And it's going to cost you $250,000 to half a million dollars to defend yourself.
You're going to have to.
tim pool
It looks like this dude did quit YouTube.
phil labonte
I hope so.
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
Well, that's a positive update.
I mean, no one who would do something like this would hear someone say, don't do it and not do it.
That's the problem.
They don't think.
phil labonte
That's 100% right.
unidentified
I know.
mary morgan
They just act.
They're just.
tim pool
This is the social decay is all of these people who are desperate for attention.
They want to be seen and they don't know how to be seen.
And it's driven by these short algorithms, these TikTok, Instagram, YouTube algorithms.
So they're just trying to figure out how to be crazier and crazier and crazier, like the people who go to Walmart and dump milk on their heads.
mary morgan
These kids weren't even filming and posting any of this.
This was just the sheer thrill of making someone think that they were about to get shot.
tim pool
This is behavioral sync.
You know, idle hands, the devil's playground.
When you're worried about winter coming and you starving to death, you don't do this.
james fishback
No, well, if you have a father in the home, you don't do this either.
Let's be honest.
Let's be honest.
If you have a two-parent household, if I would have pulled something like that.
tim pool
I don't know.
I think that Tanner Cook guy might have two parents.
Like, bad people do bad things sometimes.
Well, that's true.
I think we want to easily say two parents is an important thing.
It is.
But I think socially, regardless, we're behavioral sync.
We are at the point where we don't struggle anymore.
And so people are sitting around thinking, what gets me attention?
Well, you know what got you attention back in the day?
Doing something heroic?
You guys know the story of the Iditarod?
That people were dying, needed medicine.
And so they were like, we have no choice.
And they're like, you'll never make it.
You're crazy.
Those dogs can't make it that far.
And then they did.
They did it because it was about saving lives.
Now it's like, oh, we'll just get a helicopter.
Okay.
Yeah, we got tons of them.
We got too many actually.
You know, we'll leave one there.
And so people are sitting around being like, where's my great journey, adventure?
How do I prove myself?
Well, the only way to do it on social media nowadays, not the only, but the fastest and easiest way is to be a nut job.
phil labonte
Yeah.
mary morgan
There was a whole separate case of this in a different area in Florida with two teens caught on camera kicking in a neighbor's front door and one hiding in an attic and the other admitting, we were just being stupid.
unidentified
Wow.
mary morgan
Clearly.
They're all visibly black, by the way.
And that should be noted because their levels of violent crime are absolutely out of control and we need serious law enforcement response to it.
It's outrageous.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, look, the idea that this is entertainment, you know, that this is something fun, I understand your point.
Like the people that are likely to do this are not going to be the people that are going to be listening to me or take my advice.
But, you know, this is so, I just can't emphasize enough.
Like, this is so dangerous and such a stupid idea.
Just don't do this.
james fishback
Don't do it.
phil labonte
And there's not really a whole lot.
mary morgan
And they should be tried as adults and – Oh, absolutely.
Probably locked up for life because – What is the charge?
This is the type of behavior you see early on in someone who ends up being a serial murderer.
james fishback
Do we charge them with like aggravated – When you bring a fake gun to someone's house, well, the fake gun is something entirely different.
tim pool
Attempted murder?
james fishback
Well, it's certainly attempted burglar trying to break into someone's house.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
I wonder what the charge is for make.
So in Illinois, it's interesting because assault is, I forgot how they phrase it, but it's making someone believe they face an imminent threat.
james fishback
Sure.
tim pool
That means in Illinois, in New York, assault is actually touching someone and causing damage.
If there's no damage or visible injury, they don't charge.
In Illinois, assault would be flinching at you, walking up to you.
Yep.
And battery is when they make contact in a way that injures or embarrasses.
So I'm curious if Florida has a charge about what would you charge someone with if they point a gun at your head, right?
Would you get attempted murder?
Because you're making someone fear they're about to die, and that's what these guys are doing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm not sure what the actual statute would be.
And I imagine that it would probably be different depending on which state you're in.
james fishback
Sure.
Well, let's put it this way.
Right now, you should expand the reckless display of a firearm statue to include anything that a reasonable person would perceive to be a legitimate firearm, right?
So, search, if you come up and you pull out an airsoft gun and try to rob someone and carjack them, we're going to charge that as if it's armed carjacking.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
End of story.
In Florida, it would be aggravated assault.
james fishback
It would be.
tim pool
If the victim reasonably believes The weapon is real, it will be felony to the third degree, up to five years in prison.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And in the meantime, unless the AI is just hallucinating and making it all up, but it probably is.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, but look, I mean, Tim, you've mentioned this yourself.
Like, kids that might do this kind of stuff, like, oftentimes they're looking to go to jail or they'll go to jail and they'll only get, you know, they'll look at, okay, well, I'll get my street cred and I'll come out and I'll have people that will look at me as if I'm a tough guy or whatever.
So I mean, that's why I'm saying that.
mary morgan
It's like the 15-year-old and the 13-year-old were arrested facing felony burglary charges.
james fishback
That's in Florida, too.
mary morgan
13 is crazy.
tim pool
That's why I've been saying you make them wear diapers and baby bonnets and march down a main thoroughfare while saying I'm a big baby boo-boo.
mary morgan
Oh, deputies said the girl's mother was furious after learning what her daughter had done.
And you didn't know where your 13-year-old girl was in the middle of the night.
james fishback
It was 10.30.
It was 10.24.
mary morgan
One of them was a 15-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl in DeBarry.
tim pool
One of those commercials?
james fishback
Parents.
10 o'clock.
tim pool
Do you know where your kids are?
james fishback
And there's a personal responsibility aspect to this as well.
There's no question.
Right?
But I mean, just, and, you know, you touched on it, Mary, but there are obviously implications in particular racial subsets.
When you don't have two parents in the household, you tend to see more reckless behavior.
It's just the truth.
mary morgan
I've scrolled through every ring camera video that is available.
Literally every kid doing this is black.
So that should be talked about.
james fishback
Well, you've got to be honest about it.
And that probably has something to do with the fact that 70% of black kids growing up in America right now don't have a dad.
And that's not because of marijuana life.
tim pool
I don't think that the dad issue is the reason why across the board we see all sorts of action like this.
james fishback
No, I don't disagree with you on that at all.
But what I would say is this, is that if you have a black kid who's got two parents and a black kid with just a mom, who is more likely to pull this crap?
tim pool
The person without two parents.
unidentified
Right, right.
tim pool
But that being said, the trend of psychotic internet pranks is being done by literally everybody.
james fishback
It elevates this sort of black culture.
It's unacceptable.
tim pool
I don't disagree with you on all.
So here's the first thing I would say.
You're looking at all the videos that have come out about it and everyone doing it is black.
But I'd like to actually see the reports, the actual hard data on who's doing it.
I don't think you're wrong to bring it up.
I'd say before we start taking enforcement action or looking into cultural and social issues as to what's going on, is it the videos we have are showing black people doing it?
Or is it statistically like we have the data that it is only black people doing it?
mary morgan
Well, it's the former, but we also have crime statistics to help us out here with context clues.
james fishback
Don't bring up 1350, Mary.
mary morgan
And it's not even 1350 because it's actually mainly the males who are committing violent crime.
6%, really.
tim pool
So the question then is, in what neighborhoods are they doing it?
Are they doing it in their neighborhoods?
Are they going to other neighborhoods?
james fishback
Oh, because they would get shot in the neighborhoods if they did it.
I don't know.
mary morgan
Do you know these neighborhoods?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
That doesn't look like If we're talking about general crime, the question is, this is a specific kind of weird crime that they don't get money from, and they're not filming.
james fishback
What do you call it?
Behavioral sync?
mary morgan
They're calling it a TikTok challenge, but I'm not seeing any of these kids holding phones up and supporting it or posting it.
I haven't seen any examples of that.
It's literally all just ring footage.
So it's literally just for the sheer thrill of making someone believe that they're in danger for their life.
phil labonte
Yeah.
mary morgan
That's it.
And who knows what would have happened if the homeowners tried to confront them and how it would have escalated.
james fishback
Well, the homeowner would have argued it de-escalates.
tim pool
It's not even about the homeowners either.
It's sooner or later, someone's going to be walking down the street in Florida strapped as they're allowed to.
And they're going to see two guys wearing masks with guns come to a house and they're going to scream and draw their guns and say freeze.
And those guys are going to start and they're going to get shot.
james fishback
Yeah.
Well, that would solve that problem.
tim pool
There's a...
james fishback
I think it would seriously deter that kind of behavior.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't think so.
mary morgan
This is suicide.
tim pool
I don't think so because in Chicago, it never has in 50 years.
phil labonte
I just put a link in the Slack about an 18-year-old Virginia high school senior died in a shooting early Saturday that may have resulted from a TikTok prank.
james fishback
Wow.
tim pool
This is back in May.
We covered this back in May.
phil labonte
Oh, was it the May?
Yeah, okay, May 6th.
All right.
james fishback
What was the context there?
tim pool
It was a Ding-Dong Ditch.
phil labonte
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, we covered this back when it happened.
It was they were doing a Ding-Dong Ditch, and I think they arrested the guy.
Yeah, they arrested the guy.
And we called it out like, what?
james fishback
That makes any sense.
unidentified
Yep.
mary morgan
There's crazier stuff.
tim pool
I wonder what happened to this guy.
mary morgan
I think there's a lot of stuff that's more overtly suicidal, like the Subway Surfer challenge.
Like they're trying to recreate the mobile game and run on top of trains in the subway system in New York.
And I think at least one kid died.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
You see, now, look, I got to tell you that the kid who was doing the 3 a.m. ding-dong ditch was white, and the homeowner who shot him was black.
mary morgan
And this was in May.
tim pool
This was back in May.
And this homeowner should not have been charged.
It is sickening that he was charged.
james fishback
He was drawn?
tim pool
I don't know yet.
This is from May.
Let me see if I can find the guy's name, actually.
Like, you're at home.
It's 3 in the morning.
james fishback
Oh, I'm shooting.
tim pool
And strange people are doing something on your property.
You know what?
Now, I don't know the full context, but apparently it wasn't a ding-dong ditch.
It was some other kind of prank.
So it's been a while since we covered this story, so I need to pull it back up.
They're saying they were recording ding-dong ditch pranks for TikTok videos, but there was something about it where it wasn't.
It was like you try to open their door.
You check to see if doors are open or something like that.
It was something like that.
Let me see if I can get it.
phil labonte
God, it's fine to play pranks and stuff like that, but trying to enter people's houses or whatever.
tim pool
It was an attempted home burglary.
james fishback
Yeah.
I guess the question too, Tim, is this a convenient excuse when you're trying to charge a bunch of juveniles?
No, it was just a joke when they were actually trying to break in to steal property.
It was just a TikTok joke.
Right?
Is that just the excuse afterwards to not charge us?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
And in the context that Tim's talking about, even if they weren't trying to steal anything, The fact that they were trying to open the door, that's attempted burglary.
Yes, if you try, if you go through any barrier, Tim's mentioned it before because of the barriers that are set up around here.
If you go through any barrier, that's burglary.
You know, you've committed the act of burglary just by entering in a place where you're not supposed to be.
So the idea of trying to pull on a door, you're trying, it's attempting to burglarize out.
james fishback
Correct.
Or what if the next challenge is, try to steal your kid in the mall?
Our goal is to go grab a table.
Are we doing that too?
tim pool
Yeah, the kids who survived said they were just doing a ding-dong ditch, but the homeowner called 911 to report a burglary.
So I don't believe a 3 a.m. ding-dong ditch.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
james fishback
It was actually a burglary.
tim pool
So one of the pranks is you try and open doors because people leave their doors unlocked.
There was one video out of the UK where they were entering homes that were open.
You see that video?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You just walk up to a house and then go inside and the people would be like, whoa, geez, what are you doing?
Bro, if you're in West Virginia and you walk in the house, no one's going to ask you what you're doing.
They're going to scream at the top of their lungs and point a rifle at your face.
mary morgan
Let me make it a race thing again because the guy who was doing that was a streamer named, I think, Mizzy, and he ended up going on Pierce Morgan's show to interview about what happened and him literally jumping people, going in their houses.
And he tells Pierce, like, you're racist.
You're criticizing me for committing crimes.
That means you're racist and you just hate black people.
phil labonte
I have a former police officer friend of mine just texts me and he's like, they're training for home invasion, which is completely realistic to think, you know, attempting to see if they can get inside and where the line is drawn for that kind of behavior, you know?
james fishback
Yeah.
mary morgan
It's like car picking, you know.
unidentified
Yep.
james fishback
Well, and just think about it.
tim pool
They were at the sliding glass door of his house.
It was not a prank.
james fishback
It's not a prank.
That was their excuse.
We got caught, so we're going to cry TikTok, right?
mary morgan
This is why people are hiring Uber for personal security.
Not Uber, but basically the USA.
james fishback
Oh, yeah, LA or Texas or whatever.
mary morgan
We're going to get to the point where you're going to have to have the purge-style home security systems that you mean like South Africa.
phil labonte
Yes, like South Africa, yeah.
mary morgan
Right, but like leveled up even more.
Like metal barrier over every entrance to your home overnight.
unidentified
Yep.
mary morgan
And even in interior.
tim pool
There's no updates on this guy.
That's, dude.
james fishback
That's messed up.
phil labonte
It's just a terrible idea, you know, and it can only end in tragedy.
james fishback
To your point, even if the person to put the defendant through that, lose his job, lose his family.
tim pool
They issued a statement.
They said, our family is united in support of Tyler Chase Butler, who acted out of genuine fear for his safety and for the safety of his mother.
Tyler found himself in an unimaginable situation, forced to protect his home and his loved ones in the early hours of the morning.
We are aware of the profound loss experienced by the loved ones of the young man who lost his life.
Our thoughts are with them during this difficult time.
We urge the public immediately avoid speculation and allow the facts to be fully examined.
Tyler is a young man who responded to an immediate threat, and we stand by him as the truth of the situation comes to light.
This is a challenging time for our family, and we respectfully ask for privacy as we continue to support one another.
I want to know what the details were, because apparently some details came out.
People online are saying that they were at a sliding glass door.
They weren't just doing a ding-dong ditch.
They were three people.
You don't go to the house, ring the doorbell, and then stand there and wait for a guy to come to the door.
They were doing something.
I've heard some rumors that the prank that people were doing is they go to houses and try and open the doors and then see if they can get inside.
james fishback
Wait a minute.
You can get shot for that.
tim pool
Yeah, he'll die.
West Virginia, man, is no joke.
james fishback
By the way, it doesn't matter if you're black, white, Asian, if you do that in West Virginia, you're going to get shot.
tim pool
West Virginia is one of the few states that allows you to defend open property.
So in Maryland, if you are, let's say in Maryland, you have 10 acres of farmland or something, and someone crosses onto your property and screams that they intend to kill you, you are legally required to flee to your home.
Once in your home, if they try entering your home, you're allowed to defend yourself with lethal force.
In New Jersey, you're never allowed to do it.
In West Virginia.
phil labonte
You have to run into Pennsylvania.
tim pool
In West Virginia, if they enter your open property and are threatening you, you're allowed to defend yourself with lethal force.
What that turns into is a lot of cases in West Virginia is the police are called.
There's a dead guy, a living guy, and the living guy says, it's my property.
And he threatened to kill me.
james fishback
End of story.
tim pool
End of story.
There's no one, there's no witnesses.
It doesn't matter.
So the issue then becomes you can't just kill anybody if they're on your property because a lot of property is open.
For instance, like we have a big open field and nobody's got, it's 50 plus acres.
So there's no fencing around the other properties.
Some do.
And sometimes people will cross through ours.
You can't just shoot them.
Unfortunately for the people who do this without realizing it, if you die, there's no crime.
The police are going to come to the homeowner and they're going to say, they threaten me.
And the cop's going to say, okay, what are they going to do?
It's your property.
That person isn't supposed to be there and you were threatened.
End of story.
Don't trespass.
Be very careful.
I've had people come out to West Virginia and I can't remember where we were, but there's a big open field that was clearly private property, but like you could walk through it.
And I can't remember, it was like two years ago.
They were like, let's just cross through here.
I think we were somewhere near Berkeley Springs.
I don't know.
And I was like, nope.
That's not a public thoroughfare.
And they're like, yeah, but it's like, we're just going to cross it.
No, we're going to drive around because you walk through that field and someone might be like, what are you doing on my property?
And then you say, I'm just trying to cry.
No, you go back the way you came.
phil labonte
Yeah.
It's the only option when someone has a rifle pointed at you.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story, my friends.
We got one more for you.
Fox News, one year after Biden's unprecedented exit from 2024 race, Democrat poll numbers hit rock bottom.
That's it, man.
I don't know how the Democrats come back from this.
You know, we were talking about South Park earlier, and it seems like they're going to try and be anti-woke edgy and mocking Trump, and they want to belittle Trump.
They're trying to win back the podcast comedian circuit.
They're trying to win back the Joe Rogan types.
That's why they went for South Park.
But I don't think Democrats can recover this unless they abandon gender ideology and critical race theory, which I don't think they can.
phil labonte
The more progressives have been trying to double down on that kind of stuff.
I heard Ayanna Presley talking about DEI and how DEI was extremely important.
This is just today.
I heard a clip of her talking about DEI and how it's super important, and that without DEI, we won't make any quote-unquote progress and stuff.
The progressives are going to double down on it.
The smart Democrats like Fetterman, like Josh Shapiro, they will actually, they seem to be moving away from this stuff.
james fishback
Buddha Judge, dare I say, not as big as a fan, but he can own a reader room a lot better than these Democrats can.
phil labonte
Yeah, and I don't think, personally, I don't think the Buddha Judge has much of a chance, but it is a good point to point at him about this stuff.
The smarter Democrats are moving away from this stuff because it's not popular with the American people overall.
Again, this is something that's a small group of people are very passionate about it.
But the rest of America is like, man, I don't even care.
I'm worried about, and I've said this a bunch of times, I'm worried about kitchen table issues.
Is the economy good?
Can I pay my bills?
james fishback
Can I get a mortgage?
Can I buy a new home?
phil labonte
After all the inflation that we've had, wages still have not caught up.
And, you know, people don't under, people seem to not understand that wages are a lagger and inflation is a leader.
That's part of why there was such a massive wealth transfer.
That's part of why there's such income inequality that people talk about.
People that have money can get loans when there's 0% interest rates or 1% interest rates.
Those people have businesses.
The people that don't have money, the people that have, you know, that took the Biden bucks or the money that Donald Trump handed out, they take that money and they spend that money.
Who are they buying things from?
The people that have money.
This is not super complex, but it takes a while for wages to catch up.
serge du preez
Exactly.
For the same reason, like the same reason why a lot of regulation, a huge corporation can easily absorb the costs of new regulation and they use regulation and granting new regulation in the government in order to squeeze and destroy small businesses and medium-sized businesses because they can't absorb just massive cost increases or irregulatory increases, et cetera.
They can't stomach that.
They can't handle it.
They'll just go put it.
It happens all the time, happened in 2022.
If you didn't see it happening in your own towns, you're lying to yourself.
Like it happened all the time, happened in LA.
I saw it happen personally.
But yeah, you're exactly right on.
james fishback
And, Serge, one of those regulations that's popular even amongst Republicans is what's called occupational licensing.
I got my hair cut a couple weekends ago.
phil labonte
Crazy.
james fishback
It's insane.
1,800 hours to become a barber, that benefits the super cuts and the haircutteries of the world.
Regulation is always the friend of big corporations.
It is always the enemy of small businesses and entrepreneurs.
Louisiana, Tim, it wasn't just until two years ago that in Louisiana, you needed a license to pay a fee and to pass a test to be a florist, to assemble the daisies and the tulips.
But again, that was the big floral lobby.
tim pool
But I mean, think about how hard it is.
If you were just your run-of-the-mill old, you know, I don't know, biologist or scientist trying to take viruses from one animal and then contaminate other animals to force the virus to become more potent.
You can't even do that in the United States.
james fishback
You can't even do that.
tim pool
You have to go to Wuhan, China to do something like that.
Can you believe this?
james fishback
And then when you do it, blame it on the bat soup because that's definitely not racist.
Right.
Right.
tim pool
Yes.
james fishback
But it's racist to say it came from a lab.
And to come full circle, arrest Fauci.
Arrest him.
What are we waiting for?
tim pool
Well, we were talking about regulation, and I made a joke, but now we're on Fauci.
But anyway, to regulation, I think a lot of people don't realize how insane regulation really is.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And how some of it's good.
I'd say most of it's bad.
Most of it's bad.
It is psychotic how insane regulations are.
Which would you say are good?
Like you can't put lead in people's water.
mary morgan
They do that anyway.
tim pool
Some places do.
There's pretty simple ones that we think some are good.
We think some are bad.
Like, you know, liberals don't like the regulation of marijuana.
So if you're a business and, you know, you're going to be serving food to people and they say the content of rat feces and the food must be below a certain number, I'm actually okay with that.
But when they say in order to get certified to clear your restaurant of rat feces, you first have to go, we're only open once a month.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
You can come down with your paperwork.
Unfortunately, if you make any mistake, it'll come back next month.
And then once you come in, we'll submit your files to the rat feces assessment bureau, who will then give them a few months to go through this.
They'll get back to you.
And then once you have that paperwork, you can then go to City Hall and file for your tax permit to get your certification because it has to go through the tax office to get the final certification.
And then once you have that, you can apply for the display permitting, which is required to open your business, which takes another six months.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Closed.
serge du preez
Worst part is that person also is earning a salary and they're also getting all these benefits and they're going to have, what's the word for like a stipend at the end of the year or the end of their service?
I forget what that's called.
tim pool
Basically, the issue we had with the building for our coffee shop was it's a historic building.
So any changes has to go to the historic society, which meets once a month.
Interesting.
And we were like, okay, well, that shouldn't matter because we don't have much to change, right?
Well, unfortunately, the fire escape door that you have connects to the, it connects into a back portion of the building with stairs, which now means that it's a single floor as far as occupancy goes.
james fishback
Oh.
tim pool
And that means you need access for the handicap to get to the second and third floors.
And so we said, okay, we'll just close that door off and do a new door.
unidentified
Ah, okay.
tim pool
Well, then you have to go to the historic department to alter the building to that degree.
So we said, well, then we will because we don't want anyone going to the second floor.
And they said, okay.
And then unfortunately, the Stork Society said, first month, we're going to have to take a look at this and figure it out.
The next month, you know, the dude who was supposed to be here to work with us on this isn't here next month.
And it went on and on and on until we said, okay, can we just use the elevator in the building to qualify for the handicap requirements?
And they said, well, actually, the elevator is a historic elevator.
And it's not up to code because it's from 1908.
And if you want to get it up to code, you got to go to the historical society.
And so we said, okay.
And then after basically like two years of all of this, we just sold the building.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
Bye.
james fishback
Think about the employees you could have employed there, the wages they could have earned, the money they would have spent in their local community.
tim pool
And the locals told us it was all the same thing.
The people who are there and who have businesses like worked full-time for years to get final approval.
Martinsburg is now saying we're going to relax a lot of this probably because I've been complaining about it and people are mad at me.
But we did, we are still partnering on the shop.
So we don't own it anymore, but there will be a shop.
james fishback
That's awesome.
mary morgan
That's exciting.
james fishback
What are you going to call it?
tim pool
Casper Coffee.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Yeah, it's our coffee company.
Awesome.
We have a bunch on the way.
I can't speak too much, but this stuff takes forever.
Like if you want to start a franchise company, it's like a year of federal regulation before you're allowed to do anything.
It's psychotic.
And I don't think it's an accident.
I think the U.S. government intentionally uses regulation to stifle business on purpose.
james fishback
Agreed.
tim pool
I think that the government's attitude is we don't want too much growth.
And I'd imagine the argument is if we grow too rapidly, we can create a period of instability where if we can't sustain that growth, we can retract too rapidly.
So let's sludge everything up so we can make sure it only grows a little bit over time.
I think they do it to, I think they won't tell you this.
They'll constantly talk about how they want to hit good numbers, but they want to slog up the system intentionally.
unidentified
Yeah.
james fishback
Well, they definitely, they want growth, but they don't want high volatility growth.
They don't want GDP of 10%, then GDP of negative 9, GDP of 20%.
tim pool
So they want to control it.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
Federal Reserve.
They want to control the flow of money.
They want to control population.
So, you know what happens to any species when they reach the maximum point of resource distribution?
They become sickly and starve.
So if you take a look at the deer population in our area, last year, the deer were all starving.
Because people weren't hunting them, you ended up with this massive deer population.
They ate all the food.
And then although they had this massive population, they were all sickly and starving.
So the idea is if humanity grows to the point where we strain all of our resources, we reach parity with resource, we all become angry, sickly, and starving because there's enough to get to that population.
So powers that be in the US government are like, no, no, no, we should always make sure growth can't exceed a certain amount of excess.
So they will restrict you intentionally.
And I believe they use regulations for that on purpose.
james fishback
They definitely do it because businesses want them to do it too, because they want to get rid of their competition.
You know, I was going to say when I got my haircut in college, I got my haircut from a roommate who lived down the hall, and he charged eight bucks.
The barber shop charged $60 that was down the street.
And so, of course, you want to create a regulation that says that that guy's going to charge eight bucks, has to go through 1,800 hours of barber training and all sorts of nonsense.
tim pool
I want to do a quick review for The Fast and the Furious.
For The Fantastic Four.
I don't know why I said that.
james fishback
Okay.
tim pool
And I'm a huge fan.
james fishback
I'm not going to get this one, do you?
tim pool
Oh, this was one of the worst ones I've ever seen.
It is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
Pedro Pascal was the worst casting choice imaginable.
It is the most miserable acting I've ever seen.
I like Pedro Pascal in a lot of stuff.
I didn't really know.
And they overuse him.
So I'm not going to spoil the film for you.
It's mostly spoiled already because there's no story.
The movie is a two-hour long trailer.
And what I mean by that is when you watch the trailer and it jumps from plot to plot, like because they're not trying to tell you the full story, that's two hours of this.
So without spoiling, I'll give you an example.
The movie starts with a montage explaining who they are.
The next scene is a minute of them being like, we're having a baby.
I'm not spoiling it.
That's actually in the trailer.
Then it's a montage of superhero nonsense, unrelated plot points.
Then you get a scene where in the trailer, like I'll put it this way, everything of the movie that you've seen in the, like the movie is the trailer.
What you saw in the trailer is the movie.
There's nothing else.
Thank you.
Have a nice day.
Shala Ball arrives.
That's the name of the Silver Surfer, which is again in the trailer.
She says, I herald his beginning.
I herald your end.
I herald Galactus.
And then they go, oh man, montage.
Basically, every time something happens, you get a voiceover showing a bunch of stuff happening in a time shift.
There's probably 20 or 30 voiceover montages stringing the movie together because there's no actual movie.
Reed Richards never uses his power one time at the end.
The Thing uses his powers one time at the end.
Human Torch uses his powers quite a bit.
Sue Storm does quite a bit, but usually for just like I'm Being a Woman moments.
So like, I don't want to spoil plot points, but basically mostly when you see her use her powers, it's because of some like she's embarrassed about something or angry and she turns invisible, like not actually fighting.
And then a good example is basically it's like Galactus is coming.
What do we do?
And Reed's like, I don't know.
And then all of a sudden it goes, the Fantastic Four did a bunch of stuff and things happened.
And then it shows him getting on a spaceship.
And they're like, let's go faster than light.
Then they go faster than light.
And it's like, okay.
Then they're at Galactus.
Again, this is all in the trailers.
Then Galactus is like, I'm evil.
And they go, run.
And like, I'm like, why?
What's happening?
Why is any of this going on?
And then they go back to Earth and they're like, we are going to die.
And everyone's like, why?
And it's like, I don't know.
And I was like, okay.
And then they're like, how do we stop Galactus?
And then he's like, I have a plan.
And then they have a plan that makes no sense.
It has nothing to do with the movie.
And then it time skips and it goes, all of the nations of the world had a plan for Galactus.
And then the Silver Surfer fights and doesn't make sense.
Then Johnny is like, I don't want to get too spoilery, but he like is talking to the Silver Surfer for some reason, which has no impact on the plot.
And then at the end, they never defeat Galactus and the movie ends.
And you don't really know what happened or why.
james fishback
There's a movie coming up, you think?
They set it up.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
And then there's an after credit scene in which you see a green cloak and that's it.
phil labonte
So the green cloak part, Reed Richards is supposed to be the new leader of the new Avengers.
and the green cloak is Doctor Doom, who's played by Robert Daniel Jr.
If this is a flop, if this movie doesn't go, I don't see how they're going to have Pedro Pascal.
tim pool
It's getting great reviews.
phil labonte
Is it getting great reviews?
james fishback
This is part of MCU?
tim pool
Yes.
But they're in a standalone universe, Universe 828, which is Jack Kirby's birthday, I guess.
But it's the end of the movie, though.
james fishback
They're in the studio, though?
unidentified
Yes.
james fishback
And they put together that crap?
tim pool
This is, like, I'd love to spoil it to a certain degree, but the easy way I could explain it is that, you know, like in a lot of movies, like, Fast and the Furious is a good example.
Dom is washing his car, and then, like, The Rock pulls up and he goes, Dom, a super spy has stolen a submarine.
And he's like, we're on it.
And you're like, oh, okay, a thing happened.
And then he gets in the car.
Then he goes to the airport.
Then he gets on a plane.
Then he meets the CIA and Mr. Nobody.
And Mr. Nobody's like, we're going to use you, Dom, to stop this bad guy.
And you're like following a chain of events.
This movie was a thing happens and then a voiceover montage explains something else happens.
And then a thing happens.
Like, why did they go to outer space?
None of it makes sense.
There's no story whatsoever.
Okay, I'm going to partially spoil this because it's the key plot element from the comics, which is already well known and is already on all the forums.
Galactus wants their baby.
They don't explain why.
It makes literally no sense.
And it's just like Galactus is like, I will have your baby.
There's only one point in the film that I really liked.
And it was just one line from Vanessa Kirby when Galactus is trying to take the baby and Silver Surfer is there.
She goes, Johnny, kill her.
And I was like, wow, that was awesome.
That's the only thing I liked in the whole movie when Sue Storm orders Johnny Storm to kill the Silver Surfer.
Because I'm like, you don't get that in the superhero movies from Marvel.
Like the superhero saying, like the way she said, kill her.
And then he actually shoots her in the face.
I was like, all right, you know, okay.
It doesn't do anything to her, but, you know.
james fishback
Is that the only redeeming scene you think?
tim pool
because she's like, the only thing redeeming about the film is that one point where she's like, I have a baby and I will kill you if you touch it.
The rest of the film is just It's so bad.
It's so insanely bad.
james fishback
Anything woke?
tim pool
No.
No, it's just really bad.
I don't know.
mary morgan
So we're starting to remember that we used to have like movies that were just bad.
tim pool
Yeah, as opposed to bad.
This is Daredevil Ben Affleckbed.
james fishback
Oh, wow.
Okay.
tim pool
A little bit worse, actually.
I wanted to walk out.
No joke.
james fishback
You did not leave.
You watched me.
mary morgan
I didn't catch your thoughts on Superman.
tim pool
I liked it.
mary morgan
You liked Superman?
tim pool
Yeah, Superman, I give like a B, I think.
It was a generic Superman story.
And if you like Superman and Lex stuff, it was very basic.
Wasn't woke, wasn't political, wasn't about immigration.
It was literally Lex being Lex and being like, Superman!
mary morgan
I mean, James Gunn said it was an immigrant story, so I know.
tim pool
But that was they baited him into it.
mary morgan
I know, but it's like, shouldn't you be smarter than that by now?
tim pool
Yeah.
mary morgan
Born yesterday.
tim pool
This movie.
Okay, let me just stress this again.
It's not a superhero movie at all.
There's no superhero stuff in it.
The only superhero stuff is the opening montage where they're like, it opens with a fake TV show documentary about the Fantastic Four to prep the audience for who they are.
And then the whole movie is like, there's a weird plot element where, dude, this is the creepiest thing.
The thing like is walking down the street for some reason and then meets a school teacher briefly and then leaves and then is in love with her for the rest of the movie.
Makes no sense.
mary morgan
Was Pedro Pascal believably heterosexual?
tim pool
No.
It was, he was awful.
It was really bad.
And again, I was a fruit.
Well, I don't know about that, but he's not Reed Richards, and it was poorly, poorly done.
Like, it was like watching...
Oh, I can't even...
Like when he's fighting Elektra, at least something is happening.
unidentified
He talked like this the whole time.
tim pool
I was like, what is he doing?
mary morgan
He's also in Eddington, which is at the moment.
tim pool
He's everywhere.
He doesn't, they don't use their powers ever.
I'm like, when will Mr. Fantastic actually be Fantastic?
Never.
Dr. Doom is not in it.
The end credit scene makes literally no sense because Sue Storm does like a lightsaber thing with her powers.
I was like, why is she doing it?
What is this?
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
tim pool
Like Sue's powers, she makes force fields.
And then at the end, when they're doing the end credit scene, she's like walking into the living room and then she goes with her hand.
And then you see a green cloak and it just ends.
And like, we get it, you're stupid.
mary morgan
You don't see Robert Downey Jr.'s face because you can't pay for that.
tim pool
They could have just used a scene from Doomsday they've already shot with Robert Downey Jr.
mary morgan
They're in the middle of shooting it.
It's supposed to come out in December next year and that's after a delay.
It was supposed to come out next spring and they're currently in the process of writing it while filming it.
tim pool
And they don't have it.
mary morgan
They're not done writing it and they're filming it.
tim pool
It's bad.
And the second after credit scene is a waste of your time.
Don't even bother watching it.
It's not.
mary morgan
I can't believe people even.
Like, that's just terrifying that like you can brainwash people into sitting there past the credits twice.
tim pool
You know what's remarkable to me is you can just look at what they did with Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America Thor, and understand why it worked and how the MCU was working.
You make a standalone movie about the character.
It is an origin film.
And then at the end, the after credit scene promos the next movie.
They then realized with Guardians of the Galaxy, they were like, hey, James Gunn recently did an interview where he said, I was like, can we just say other things in the movies are Infinity Stones?
And they were like, oh, okay.
And so we have these after credit scenes.
We can now combine them and do the Infinity Gauntlet thing.
And they had all these standalone movies and they brought them together.
Now every single movie is just like the end credit scene is fan service.
That doesn't mean anything for any other movie.
They're not previewing anything.
But I just got to say, I wanted to walk out.
I would argue that it's worse than Last Jedi.
james fishback
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
Was it was it Last Jedi?
Yeah, yeah.
Last Jedi was where Holdo did the Holdo maneuver, and it was like, you know, What was it, Admiral Gender Studies?
unidentified
Yep.
james fishback
Yep.
tim pool
Like the thing about that.
phil labonte
The whole second act was completely and totally unnecessary.
They went to the casino planet and they were just crapping on capitalism and rich people.
tim pool
I gave this a three out of 10.
I think that's probably being generous.
The reason, so the thing about Last Jedi is that Snoke dies, but there's a story that you're following.
This movie has no story.
It's nothing.
james fishback
Did you find the Palpatine thing believable, though, at the very end?
tim pool
No, that was Rise of Skywalker.
james fishback
It was Rise of Skywalker.
tim pool
Which is also really bad.
It was worse than both of them.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
I can't believe how bad it was.
Just reading it.
james fishback
I know Killing Snoke was a good scene, though.
tim pool
It made no sense.
And it kind of ruined it.
But to be fair, the sequel movies were garbage anyway that made no sense.
So whatever.
But I don't recommend this film.
I recommend you wait till it comes out if you truly want to see it.
It's not a Fantastic Four movie.
Johnny doesn't even burn his clothes.
Yeah, one of the things about Johnny Storm is that he's on fire.
Nope, not in this movie.
Like he picks people up.
They're not burned.
phil labonte
What?
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
While he's on fire, this is ridiculous.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, he's on fire and he's like carrying kids around and saving people.
But there's no real superhero stuff.
Yeah, it's so bad.
It's remarkably bad.
They did Galactus Dirty.
They did Galactus real dirty.
man he's Galactics is Galactus in the movie is is is like I Oh, wow.
james fishback
Room temperature.
mary morgan
Yeah.
Did you watch Thunderbolts?
james fishback
Yes.
mary morgan
Why do you keep going back to the MCU like a battered housewife?
Like, why do you keep expecting it to be good?
tim pool
It's we also saw Superman, and it's because depending on the films, we go see them.
The ones we didn't see was Final Reckoning, which I wanted to see.
I'll see that when it comes down on video.
But I go see big movies that are culturally relevant and expected to be significant.
With Doomsday coming out, this is supposed to...
Not in the movie at all.
Nothing.
And everyone's going, but the ship in that movie has three, you know, three, what you call it, nacelles.
And in the Fantastic Four trailer, it's got four.
So what is this ship?
And then people are showing like the chalkboard in Fantastic Four, where you can see diagrams of wormholes.
And they're like, whoa, Reed Richards develops interdimensional travel, and this is what's going to lead to – no.
The movie was miserable.
I thought what was going to happen is Galactus is going to destroy the planet.
And again, this is in the trailers.
So in the trailers, Galactus wants their child and he refuses to give them up.
What I thought was going to happen is Dr. Doom was going to be in the film, Robert Henny Jr., and he was going to say, you have to give up your child.
Don't destroy our earth.
And I thought that we was going to end with Galactus destroying the planet and Dr. Doom chasing after him being like, you let our entire planet die for yourselves and then tried escaping to another earth where you could live out your lives.
I thought that would be his motivations.
unidentified
Nope.
Nope.
tim pool
Anyway, we're going to read your chats.
Smash the like button.
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If you'd like to call in, become a member of our Discord at Timcast.com.
But for the time being, let's just read what you guys have to say in the old chats.
Shades Wilder says, do we think anything is going to come of the DOJ strike force investigation of Obama?
Or is it going to be a case of, as Mary would say, nothing ever happens, which is to say that nothing ever changes?
Yes, Mary's correct.
mary morgan
I'm glad everyone's coming around.
Feels good.
tim pool
I don't know if I actually would give that 100% because Trump got arrested and nobody believed that could happen.
unidentified
Nobody believed that.
tim pool
So there's a possibility, especially if the argument is Trump is in the Epstein files and he's becoming desperate, then wouldn't the liberal argument be that Trump will do anything to prevent the release, including a mass distraction of, say, arresting Obama?
phil labonte
Maybe.
That's what I was thinking, actually.
I don't have a lot of faith that Obama will get arrested, but I do think that it's more likely that someone like Clapper or Brennan or Comey might see some kind of ramifications, but I don't know what, and I don't think that it's going to be jail time.
mary morgan
I believed it was just a rhetorical distraction.
I don't see Obama getting arrested in our future.
phil labonte
Matt Taibbi seems to believe that there's a lot of there there.
And Matt Taibbi's not particularly partisan.
He's not a guy that would be a Trump cheerleader.
But yeah, I'm still of the opinion that because there's no specific statute that they can point to that was broken or violated, the Republicans don't have the gumption to do, like Tim was mentioning earlier and actually create something, which, I mean, if you believe that what's good for the goose is good for the gander, they absolutely should.
james fishback
No one's above the law, right?
phil labonte
No one's above the law.
james fishback
Obama said it.
Every single Democrat said it.
If he committed a crime, he should be charged and convicted.
It's that simple.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm not just not sure what the crime is.
james fishback
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know, what the statute is.
james fishback
The FBI could always call him in and have him just interrogate him for eight hours and he'll lie to a federal agent at some point.
There's a statute for that.
phil labonte
We'd love to see it.
I don't know that it will, but I'd love to see it.
tim pool
Let's grab this.
We got Jay Huigi.
Please read, I need help.
I've had five lung collapses in 1.5 years.
Surgery is in September, but can't afford it.
Asking listeners to help.
No give, send, go, but cash app is Jennifer Huigi.
Please help.
Love the show, y'all.
Best of luck.
That's H-U-I-G-H-E.
Sorry to hear about it.
phil labonte
Roughly.
tim pool
All right.
Guardian says California Kaiser Insurance is not covering sex changes anymore.
But how many kids are going to die?
phil labonte
Zero.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Well, I'm not mad anymore.
I identify as tax exempt says the new South Park is a fine example of the difference between forced and organic creativity.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think I got to call Seamus and be like, can we do a parody of the South Park parody where we actually make fun of Trump in a way that's funny that people will get?
james fishback
Do it with AI.
It's really easy.
Make music With it, right?
tim pool
Well, Seamus does this every week.
james fishback
Oh, it's true.
tim pool
Yeah, they just make one.
All right, Sheamus Wilder says, Matt and Trey aren't stupid.
When you're given $1.5 billion to democrat, you'll do it, even if it's the tired humor of a 12-year-old boy, even if it tanks, they get paid.
You know, it's easy for me to say that I wouldn't do it because we're successful here.
I've got money or whatever.
But I think, man, $1.5 billion, I think I'd have to do it.
You know what I mean?
Because with $1.5 billion, seriously, $10 million can fund a massive newsroom, which would greatly benefit this country in a positive way.
phil labonte
Run it into the ground, I'm sure.
The show, because I have no idea how to make a South Park comedy.
james fishback
But he had a better sketch with some of that stuff with the files and going out into the basement.
phil labonte
Sim's got an incredible imagination.
tim pool
Mecca Epstein.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
Or just Epstein's alive.
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they could have made Epstein and Trump friends.
And then, you know, like, that's the whole play in the press that they were buddies.
And then Trump says no one can find out that I smuggled Epstein out of the jail and I'm keeping him alive.
Or something like this.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
There's tons of things to make fun of.
james fishback
Cartman waving the binder would have been cute too.
tim pool
Right.
Yep.
Having Stan, Colin Cartman, like holding up the binders.
james fishback
I'm going to look for the Epstein files on her desk where she said they were.
tim pool
Uh-huh.
And her desk is a mess.
james fishback
Yeah.
And a bunch of makeup and lipstick and Fox News scripts, right?
tim pool
Yeah, Fox News.
james fishback
It'd be hilarious.
tim pool
Yep.
Yeah.
Or her desk is just a, he goes into her office and her desk is literally just a makeup desk.
james fishback
That's it.
tim pool
There's no files at all.
james fishback
Yeah, it's just a giant mirror.
phil labonte
Yeah, all she's doing is just pruning herself.
tim pool
They weren't even trying.
The funny thing is like even Trump supporters would laugh at that.
What if Matt and Trey were like, we like Trump, so we're going to take the money and then just do a really bad job?
james fishback
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
What else do we got here?
Crash Bandit says, show me the list, then show me the bank records.
Then let us figure it out for ourselves.
Is that too much to ask?
Indeed.
L Smith says, South Park could easily make a bromance makeup breakup saga with Elon and Trump.
Town can be mad about milk and eggs and solve it on their own.
Easy 30 million, please.
I mean, so look, if they're going to keep doing this where they keep making fun of Trump, they did it with Garrison.
Now they're doing Trump directly conveniently after being given $300 million a year.
There's so much stuff to make fun of that's not tiny penis and full frontal.
It's like, maybe the idea was if they show the full frontal, nobody would want to watch it.
james fishback
Well, they also mock him for his weight too.
We didn't talk about that either.
They made this giant fat Trump guy.
tim pool
I can't play the video on YouTube.
james fishback
I know.
tim pool
Because they have a morbidly obese, 300-pound Donald Trump, fully nude and crawling through the desert, and then he looks down at his dick for 30 seconds.
unidentified
Just listening to you talk about it is funnier than the actual question.
james fishback
Yeah, think about that.
Think about that.
tim pool
But the joke here is how pathetic it is.
You know what I mean?
When you actually watch it, you're like wincing the whole time.
Like, well, I don't want to see this.
Like, Trump gets naked and then goes, come on, Satan.
And Satan's like, it's too small.
He goes, hey, hey, I'll sue you.
It's like, we get it.
He said, I'm Hussein.
This is the joke you did in 2003 or whatever.
Just they should have CBS should give Seamus $1.5 billion.
phil labonte
I agree.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
Identify as Tactics Exempt says, that's not the first ring video from that porch.
It was in another one a few months ago, but I don't remember the context.
I recognize the architecture in the background.
Fox 463 says, I'm in the hospital with my wife and baby boy three.
Please welcome Luke Thomas Fox to the world.
Right on.
unidentified
Congratulations.
tim pool
The one thing that I liked about only the one scene in Fantastic Four is when...
unidentified
Reed Richards is like, he wants my child, but I won't give it up.
tim pool
That's literally the trailer.
So when Sue Storm is like, kill her, it was the only actual believable acting in the whole movie where I was like...
mary morgan
That's why.
tim pool
She is?
mary morgan
Yeah.
phil labonte
Now she is, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, really?
And she already knew when she was acting?
mary morgan
I believe she was pregnant in first of the scenes.
phil labonte
Maybe some of them.
tim pool
It's pretty remarkable how like...
The plot is they have to give their son to Galactus, otherwise the earth is destroyed.
mary morgan
Someone we know is actually staying at the same hotel as Pedro and Vanessa Kirby at the moment, and there are rumors flying that they've got some sort of thing going on.
And I'm like, who's going to tell her?
tim pool
Pedro Pascal is the worst, worst choice for Reed Richards.
What were they thinking?
mary morgan
And for pretty much everything.
tim pool
I assume they tried to make What's Her Face, Brie Larson, the next Robert Downey Jr., and that was stupid.
They're probably thinking we need the lead guy who's going to replace Robert Downey Jr.
And the reason they chose Pedro Pascal for Reed Richards is because Pedro Pascal is so big in Hollywood right now, and they thought we're going to get the big name to be the lead who can carry the franchise after Robert Downey Jr.
But he's not it.
He's not it.
mary morgan
Mentioned the question of like why Galactus wants the child.
tim pool
I know why.
mary morgan
What is...
What's their reason in the movie?
tim pool
Okay, spoiler alert.
He says, the only thing he says is, he has the power cosmic and can feed and satiate my eternal hunger.
In the movie, it makes no sense.
And it's like Galactus is going to destroy the Earth.
Then only because they went to Galactus does he find out about Franklin Richards and then tries extracting it from her body.
mary morgan
The child has the ability to create universes.
tim pool
That's the comic.
mary morgan
Okay.
tim pool
And Galactus wants his universe back.
mary morgan
And none of that is explained.
tim pool
No.
mary morgan
In the movie.
tim pool
In the movie, he simply says, he basically says, he will inherit my throne and end my insatiable hunger.
It's stupid.
It was pathetic.
It would have actually been good if they filed the comics and he said, my universe was destroyed and now I am this thing.
Your son can bring back my universe.
They could have done so much clever stuff that it was just miserably bad.
It was bad.
Anyway, I'd love to spoil more because of how bad the ending was.
Like the ending is so bad.
It's just ridiculously bad.
I wanted to leave so bad, man.
All right.
One evil chef says: Update for Culture War: The Fat Electrician is coaching angry cops on how to beat arguments about communism and anarchy from Michael Malice.
Though, if you open the invitation, Nick, the fat electrician, would probably make it more entertaining.
Oh, if he wants to come, sure.
Absolutely.
Who do we get him in touch with?
phil labonte
How should we?
tim pool
Sean, you got him?
unidentified
All right.
I'll shoot him.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Donny Rock says, Tim, turtles need skateboards.
Ask the ninja ones.
Little turtles, they put them on a fingerboard and then they slide it across the ground.
Yeah.
Wicked Freebird says, Tim, please read this in the Hulk Hogan voice.
Well, rest in peace, Hulk Hogan.
People are saying it always comes in threes, but haven't we had five deaths now?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Chuck Bangioni, that, right?
Yeah.
I can't do a Hulk Hogan voice.
I got to be honest, though, I did just see him.
I think I saw him in December when I was at UFC.
He didn't look good.
He was having a hard time walking.
If he was walking a little bit better, I would have tried to meet him, but I didn't want to bother him because he seemed ill.
serge du preez
Yeah, there was a video of him yesterday saying he was really tired.
He'd been flying between the coasts and whatever.
And then apparently that was one of the last videos you put on the internet.
But yeah, rest in peace.
tim pool
His heart stopped.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Trump thinks that your body is like a battery.
And if you work out too much, you'll die earlier because you're draining your energy.
phil labonte
Donald Trump is wrong.
tim pool
He's wrong.
So I knew this dude who was morbidly obese once.
And I said something like, you know, a candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long.
And then he was like, whoa, really?
And I was like, this is a saying.
And he was like, oh, yeah.
Like, he was thinking, wow, by being lazy and overweight, you know, I'm saving my, and that's not what I was saying, dude.
That's not what I was saying at all.
And so people have asked this question, if your heart has only a certain amount of beats till you die, wouldn't exercising with a really high heart rate make you die faster?
And the answer is no.
Because a fit heart beats less.
So when you exercise, you increase your heart rate and do diminish a certain number of beats.
But then for the rest of the week, your heart is beating very slow.
I don't know if I should be alarmed by this, but like three days ago, my resting heart rate was 38.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
Is that good?
phil labonte
That's very good.
tim pool
Again, really.
phil labonte
Very, very low.
Very low.
mary morgan
What is it supposed to be?
tim pool
The average person, I think, is 60.
mary morgan
The average, but then the ideal is 40.
40?
tim pool
Yeah, that means you're fit.
And so 40 was normal for most of humanity, for men, because they were always working and being fit.
Now it's like getting upwards of 80, which is crazy because people are fat.
phil labonte
Right now, AI says the average resting heartbeat for adults is typically between 60 and 100 BPM.
Jeez.
However, a healthy resting heartbeat for most adults falls between 55 and 85, with the lower end of this range being more favorable.
For highly trained athletes, the resting heartbeat can be as low as 40 BPM due to increased cardiovascular efficiency.
mary morgan
Being fat is harder.
tim pool
Yesterday I was 46, and it gave me a warning because it's above 45, and it's atypical for me.
Wednesday was 41, 44, and then I got pretty worried because it was like 40.
Yeah.
There was this funny thing online where everybody was posting their watches showing their resting heart rates.
Yeah.
And they were like, look at mine.
Look at mine.
I'm fit.
I'm in shape.
phil labonte
The Michael Malice and Angry Cops is on the second, correct?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Just want to make sure.
And we've got, I think for Gavin McGinnis and Matan Evan, we have Pisco, the liberal lawyer, who'll be joining us.
And if you guys know anything about Pisco and his last appearance, you're going to very much enjoy him versus Gavin McGinnis.
This is going to be very, very funny.
I don't know what Matan's going to do.
I imagine it'll be very funny as well.
But this Saturday, DC, and then, do you guys know if we have the after party set up or is that set up?
Supposed to be like 100 people only, Timcast members.
Yeah, it's going to be fun.
Let's grab one more D's here.
What do we got from DZOSUPC?
Ledlaw says South Park bit.
Trump refuses to release the Epstein files because there's a picture of Trump bald in them and they try to find it but then figure out that Trump's Toupe is an alien that was controlling Epstein the whole time.
I mean, honestly, that's better than what they did.
james fishback
Not particularly funny, but it's way better than what they did.
tim pool
Yeah, it actually would be funny if the Epstein files has, it was like Epstein at a party that Trump was at and Trump's fake hair fell off.
And that's the only reason he doesn't want it released and they find out.
And then Trump complains that if people find out that his hair isn't real, you know, it'll ruin his chances in the midterms.
They could have made fun of him for any one of these things.
mary morgan
And said they were like...
You can't.
You can't even visualize it, really.
tim pool
I don't think Trump.
james fishback
He's trying to polo, though.
Polo a lot.
tim pool
Do you think Trump has ever walked a mile?
unidentified
Yeah.
Wait, what?
tim pool
Do you think Trump has ever walked a mile?
phil labonte
Probably not.
unidentified
In New York.
Yes.
mary morgan
Sure, golfing.
phil labonte
golf carts.
tim pool
I'd be willing to bet that Trump...
Yeah, continuous mile.
Straight.
james fishback
It's probably harder.
tim pool
Because people have debated this before because he's been wealthy his whole life.
And so he probably walks out of a building in New York and gets right into a car.
phil labonte
Sure.
tim pool
But of course he's walked a mile.
I mean, how is it possible that he didn't?
james fishback
Well, he has.
It's just a question of when's the last time he did it.
unidentified
Right.
james fishback
Last 10 years?
tim pool
No.
james fishback
Miles straight.
tim pool
Walking through New York, maybe?
That's right.
A svelte.
All right, everybody.
Smash that like button.
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We're going to go to rumble.com slash Timcast IRL for the uncensored call-in portion of the show.
You don't want to miss it.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
James, you want to shine anything out?
james fishback
Yeah.
So we just launched our anti-DEI ETF, SPXM.
It's available anywhere you buy stocks.
As I mentioned earlier, Phil, it's a way to buy the S ⁇ P 500 minus the 38 companies, Nike, Starbucks, Airbnb, and Intel that are doubling down on DEI hiring quotas that are stupid, but also hurt your portfolio.
So we're proud to launch SPXM.
And we sued the Fed today.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah, that's cool.
james fishback
We sued the Federal Reserve in federal court today.
I just got on the way over here.
I learned that we have a hearing first thing Monday morning.
We sued them, Mary, because they are hiding behind this weird exemption that says they don't have to actually conduct their business in public.
Every other federal agency, FTC, FCC, CFTC, Is required to conduct official business with public observation.
The Fed doesn't do that.
They have a meeting next week.
Phil, they've been, as President Trump has said, too late.
They're refusing to lower rates from 20-year highs.
So we sued them in federal court this morning.
Azoria v.
Powell is the lawsuit, and we're suing them to make clear that next week's meeting, to demand that next week's meeting be happened, happen in public, in public view.
phil labonte
I have a question that I'll ask you after when we get to the uncensored part.
james fishback
Sure.
mary morgan
All right.
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phil labonte
I am Phil the Remains on Twix.
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tim pool
We will see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds.
Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
tim pool
We are gonna.
For all of you All That Remains fans, I'm gonna uh play Is this the right one?
No, no, no, wait, which one is it?
phil labonte
I can show you the link in a sec if you want.
tim pool
Is it the l the link that I sent you?
Place on the link.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
No, is that that's not the right one, is it?
phil labonte
Hold on.
I'll get it.
tim pool
Oh, I think it's this one.
Is it this one?
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
This is not it?
phil labonte
No, that's not the one.
tim pool
This is the last one that I sent you.
unidentified
The latest one.
tim pool
Is that the one I think that had the ad in it?
phil labonte
I'm putting this one into the Slack, the right one right now as soon as I find the Slack link.
Here we go.
That's it's on my X page, but that link that I just put in the IRL Slack has it.
tim pool
There's no ad in this one?
phil labonte
Nope.
tim pool
Why is it not making sound?
Uh there we go.
Let's try that instead.
unidentified
That's what I do live.
It's crazy.
And you neglected I called you out.
Don't please.
I said we're stronger than this now.
You resurrected mistakes.
Years past it seemed.
And they exist to still haunt you.
And still you feel like the loneliness is better replaced by this.
I don't believe it this way.
And I can see the fear in your eyes.
I've seen it materialize.
Growing stronger each day.
I can see it as you turn to stone.
And still clearly I can hear you say.
Don't leave, don't give up on day.
Two weeks and you ran away.
And I remember the light of night.
You couldn't see that it was nothing.
I swear I never gave up on you.
I wanted nothing but for that just again.
And brick by brick you would take it.
You feared of phantoms and none exist.
But you, you still stopped it to destroy it.
And still you feel like the loneliness is better replaced by this.
I don't believe it this way.
And I can see the fear in...
tim pool
So for those that are wondering, that is one of Phil's hit songs, Two Weeks, that I you normally you can't do this because it's copyrighted and the AI won't let you do it, but I'm a wizard and Phil owns it.
unidentified
So, well, actually, he doesn't, but it's the juice.
tim pool
So what you were listening to was basically Paramour covering two weeks, and it took 30 seconds to make.
And I keep hearing from people that AI music is not going to take over.
It doesn't have soul.
And I'm like, y'all are wrong.
Like, this is insane.
The craziest thing about this is that my assumption is because there is only one prominent pop punk female singer, and that is Haley Williams, the majority of the training data for AI is based off of her songs.
So whenever I do a song and I would say pop punk with female vocals, it almost always sounds like Paramore singing it.
I think you should sue them, to be honest.
mary morgan
I think that you can believe it is going to take off in some form or fashion and also believe that it has no soul because it has no soul.
tim pool
But people keep telling me, like, Richie McC., I think Richie was arguing.
No, I'll know.
I won't.
Nope, not me.
mary morgan
I mean, to be fair, like the vocaloid on that track as you were playing it, it was noticeable.
phil labonte
Remember, there was a time when people were like, oh, I can tell when things have auto-tune.
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
Okay, now you cannot, if you're not.
mary morgan
Why does it matter?
phil labonte
if the person that's doing the editing doesn't want you to know that it's tuned, you cannot tell it's tuned.
So everything is tuned nowadays.
tim pool
Everything.
unidentified
This is the end result of Bob's song.
Tell me where you went in another story You'll never, you'll never cry, cry, cry again Tell me where you went.
A shadow stretched across your face like they just went to the city.
I called you once, the wind replied But you were already lost inside You traveled so
far, but never You never smiled, smiled, smiled again Tell me where you went In another story You'll never, you'll never Cry, cry, cry again Tell me where you were.
tim pool
So that's a real song that I wrote, and I recorded 30 seconds of it on my guitar sitting here this morning into my phone, shitty microphone, uploaded to Suno, and then I prompted DreamPop indie female vocals, and it made that.
It is insane to me that I can write a melody just like right now.
I can come up with a melody, and it will make a full song.
james fishback
It's incredible.
tim pool
So what's going to happen for commercials when you're like, okay, we've got a, ooh, Spotify.
They come to a marketing company and they're like, we need a song for our commercial.
And so you go, okay, let's try this.
This is my music.
unidentified
I take it everywhere I go.
tim pool
Load that into the AI.
You don't got to be a good singer.
And then say, give me a full song and give me a good hip-hop beat and some solid like indie male vocals.
And in 30 seconds, you've got a track for your commercial and you don't got to pay Rotis anymore.
unidentified
Right.
mary morgan
So why is there any reason to be excited about that?
tim pool
Who's that excited?
I said, this is crazy.
We're fucked.
mary morgan
I mean, a lot of people.
tim pool
I think AI is going to fucking destroy everything.
mary morgan
A lot of people say that this is a good thing.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I can imagine a time where all that remains is say, okay, we want to have a female vocalist on this.
And instead of paying someone to do it, you could just have write the lyrics, give AI the melody, and then it'll just generate the vocals.
mary morgan
If you did a collaboration with Haley Williams, more people would give a shit about it than that.
phil labonte
But you also have to pay Haley Williams.
mary morgan
Okay, paying a singer is a good thing to do.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I mean, you're a singer and you get paid for it.
If you have the money, do you know how much money it costs to pay Haley Williams to do a song?
And also, Haley Williams has to agree to doing it.
tim pool
Honestly, I'd imagine not as much as it did 10 years ago.
phil labonte
Probably true.
But again, a lot of it is like, look, if you went to like the singer of Spirit Box now and you said, hey, we've got this track.
I'd love to have you sing on it.
Like a lot of times they're just like, no, because they're too busy.
Our second biggest song, What If I Was Nothing, we offered that to, we were like, hey, we said to Lizzie Hale from Hailstorm.
We were trying to get her to sing on it, but she was too busy and she wasn't going to, she was like, no, I can't do it.
unidentified
Wow.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, and it was, it was like I said.
tim pool
Is two weeks your biggest?
phil labonte
Two weeks is our biggest.
What if I was nothing is our second.
And it's a, you know, it's a, it's a huge song.
You know, it's, it's a great song, and, but she just didn't have the time.
So the, to get a big star to do it is more than just money.
It's like they, they're like, well, is this, is this going to help my career?
Is it, is it, do I like the song?
Am I available?
There's a lot of things that go into it.
If you can just be like, well, you know, just get the AI to do it, not only do you not have to worry about a human being saying yes or no, you don't have to pay them.
tim pool
And honestly, what is going to happen with this scenario where it sounds like Haley Williams singing two weeks, if Phil wanted to, he knows he can't afford to pay her.
So what you do is a shadow campaign.
You have your marketing people create a bunch of sock puppets, leak the song, and then go on forums being like, holy shit, dude, this song just leaked.
And I think Paramore just did a cover with all that remains.
Listen to this.
This wasn't supposed to come out.
And everyone's going to be like, holy shit, it goes massively viral.
And then after the attention generates a ton of press for Paramore and for Phil, he goes, guys, that's not real.
I think that's AI.
And then you're going to be interviewed.
Whoa, what is this crazy?
Fan must have made it and claimed it.
And it went viral.
And, you know, we're glad people like it.
phil labonte
I understand what you're saying, but it literally gives artists a lot more options.
You know, they can license out their voice.
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