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Trump DOJ Gives Ghislaine Maxwell Limited IMMUNITY As She Rats On 100+ People | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
The DOJ has met with Epstein associate Gheelain Maxwell.
There's conflicting reports, but according to her lawyer and statements, she was asked about 100 individuals and gave up information on whatever she was asked about.
And for this, the DOJ granted her conditional or limited immunity, which is very interesting.
Now, apparently, Gheelane Maxwell is going to seek a pardon in exchange for information.
And where it gets real spicy, Chuck Schumer is losing it.
He's posting an X that no one should allow the DOJ to be meeting with Gheelane Maxwell.
Why?
What are they now freaking out about?
This is the weirdest story.
Okay, first you get the Trump people basically pumping it up throughout the campaign.
We got to release the files.
Then they get in and say, no, no, we can't do it.
Then the Democrats say, you got to release the files.
Then Trump says, okay, we're going to do it.
We're going to go interview Gheelan Maxwell.
And then Chuck Schumer's like, no, stop.
Don't.
It's like they're just playing chicken with each other.
Like, neither really want these files to come out.
But I guess if you play chicken with Trump, you're going to lose.
We'll see what happens.
We got that news.
We got a bunch of funny news.
There's apparently, it's a report from the New York Post that an alien vessel is on its way to attack Earth.
I'm not kidding.
It's actually in the New York Post.
It's a potentially alien hostile force or something.
You know, if it's true, then you'll make fun of me.
phil labonte
I hear it's got the Episcopal files on it.
tim pool
And they're coming to get them, actually.
They're going to take them away.
So I guess we'll talk about all of that.
Yeah, there's other news, too.
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You know, we've got a couple guests joining us tonight.
We got Kyle Seraphin.
kyle seraphin
Hey, Tim.
How's it going?
tim pool
It's going well.
How are you?
What are you doing?
kyle seraphin
I'm great.
Folks, I used to be an FBI agent.
Now I run a podcast and I'm also suing the government.
So we're having an interesting time right now.
There's a lot of FBI news as usual and pretty interesting to see that we're going to be talking about Miss Maxwell.
I haven't seen a lot of proffers happen after somebody is already convicted.
It turns out to be not the way you usually go about it.
Very interesting.
We saw the DAG actually say that this is the first time someone from the DOJ has talked to her ever.
stephen stamboulieh
Whoa.
kyle seraphin
That was his public post and tweet the other day.
tim pool
That's weird.
kyle seraphin
Very backwards.
So we'll come back.
tim pool
You brought a friend with you.
kyle seraphin
I did.
tim pool
Who are you?
stephen stamboulieh
Hey, I'm Stephen Stambelle.
I'm a Second Amendment attorney.
tim pool
Right on.
And so you also sue the government.
stephen stamboulieh
All the time.
That's my job.
tim pool
So we can have more guns.
stephen stamboulieh
Yeah.
tim pool
That's fantastic.
stephen stamboulieh
100%.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
It's going to be a blast.
Ian's here.
ian crossland
Hey, man.
And I was thinking, I've been thinking of the world as like a game of civilization.
I don't know who you guys ever play.
I feel like we're winning.
The American people are winning the culture war.
If we keep going at this pace, our culture is the best and keeps getting better.
So it's just a matter of holding it together, keeping the country safe, keeping people happy.
I personally like science, so I use culture to expand my borders while I can then use the production capacity to increase my science output.
I feel like that's the best victory path.
tim pool
All across the world, millions of eyebrows just raised because they have no idea what you mean.
ian crossland
Well, the point is we've won.
The culture war is, we're in the process of winning it, so hold it together.
Keep reality sane and stable to the best of your ability because this American culture, since TV was invented, I mean, it is like a skyrocket, dude.
kyle seraphin
I just heard trust the science.
That's what I heard you say.
phil labonte
Never mind government for the people by the people since TV was invented.
ian crossland
Yeah, the brain.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's a story from the New York Post, ladies and gentlemen.
Gheelane Maxwell gave DOJ info about 100 different people linked to Jeffrey Epstein, lawyer says.
Notorious sex criminal Ghylaine Maxwell answered questions in the DOJ about 100 different people linked to Jeffrey Epstein.
An attorney for the disgraced socialite claimed Friday following two days of interrogation by Todd Blanche.
David Oscar Marcus told reporters that his client, currently serving a 20-year sentence after being convicted in Manhattan, of federal sex trafficking conspiracy charges, was asked about every possible thing you could imagine.
This was the first opportunity she's ever been given to answer questions about what happened.
The truth will come out about what happened with Mr. Epstein, and she's the person who was answering those questions.
Blanche had every single question answered during the sit-down, Maxwell's attorney also said, with the British-born convict declining to plead the fifth.
Now, there's also been reporting that she was granted limited immunity.
Now, how does that?
Do you know how this works, Kyle?
You were a law enforcement.
kyle seraphin
Well, yeah, usually it's the other way around.
Usually what happens is somebody is accused of a crime, and so they come out and they get what's usually called like queen for a day or king for a day status.
So they get to talk about whatever it is.
They can't be held liable for whatever they disclose as long as they're helping some other case.
And that's usually like small fish going after bigger fish, right?
So you want to get information about something.
It's not very common.
And I don't know that I can think of a good example of where you said, hey, by the way, we've got you in jail for in prison for the next 20 years and you got five years of supervised release after that.
But we'd also like some other stuff that we never talked to you about previously.
So maybe you could give it to us.
That limited immunity, I don't know what she would be liable for even because if you go back and read, and I actually pulled it up here because I was curious, the press release about her sentencing, like her crimes go back to 2004.
The window that she was actually convicted of of trafficking young girls was 1994 in or about to 2004.
So we're now 21 years away from the crimes.
There was no statute of limitations on it, but at the end of the day, the only people mentioned in the entire press release, in the sentencing, in the trial, which was a month-long jury trial, people forget, but she actually was tried and convicted by a jury.
Like nobody else was mentioned.
It was her and Epstein, period.
And Epstein's no longer with us, allegedly, maybe.
phil labonte
Allegedly, maybe.
ian crossland
It seems such an opportunity for them to go, hey, Ghilane Maxwell said it was these people.
Now put it to bed.
Now, therefore, that's something like, dude, she was complicit in the crime with the guy.
Why do you think she's going to talk?
Why do you think she would give accurate, or why hasn't she yet?
tim pool
Let me ask you a question, Ian.
When a guy who's in prison all of a sudden says, oh, you know, that guy you're prosecuting?
He confessed to me.
I will testify if you take time off my sentence.
kyle seraphin
They can negotiate that.
tim pool
Can we believe those people?
kyle seraphin
You better have something that backs up more than just your words.
If it's just hearsay or an overhear and you can't substantiate it any further.
tim pool
So it's actually really simple.
Ghylaine Maxwell.
First, the curious thing is the DOJ has never talked to her before?
kyle seraphin
Well, that was so the guy who's the number two at the DOJ is a guy named Todd Blanche, right?
And so that's the deputy attorney general.
And he posted this on X. He said, no one from the Justice Department has ever spoken to this woman about this before.
I actually think he said, has spoken about her ever, which doesn't make any sense because FBI agents arrested her in July of 2020.
You know, she clearly would have been questioned.
She could have, you know, invoked her right to an attorney and just stayed quiet.
That's possible.
But no one ever questioned her ever.
That doesn't sound reasonable at all.
All of this stuff has been this like kind of like boomer theater for me.
I hate saying that, but like my parents are boomers and I love them.
But like a lot of the words that are being used, like, oh, there's like the, there's the, the Epstein files.
And I think people think that there must be like drawers full of paper files.
Yeah.
And they have a truckload of documents.
Like the FBI and the DOJ trade files the same way that you do.
They're on a computer somewhere.
They're on a server hosted in the cloud and they could be accessed from New York or they could be accessed from, you know, the director's office or from the attorney general's office.
So all this stuff has been kind of playing on there's a bunch of these videos.
What's in the videos?
We saw Pam Bondi basically saying over and over again, there's more and more stuff.
She kept hyping it.
If you watch what happened from the FBI side, though, Bongino and Patel were actually de-escalating.
Every time they sat down, it looked like they were sitting on pins and needles.
They were like sitting on like a tackboard and they were really uncomfortable because they were going to have to answer a question that their boss was basically saying there's a bunch of this stuff.
And then we ended up with that big bombshell that, oh, there's nothing.
People lost their minds about it, which is reasonable.
You know, now we're here.
tim pool
I wonder if Gheelain Maxwell is thinking, oh, so they're coming after you, Trump, huh?
I can say anything and it's going to, it's going to play, right?
kyle seraphin
I think the Democrats are saying that right now, too.
That's what they're trying to claim is that you can't trust her.
unidentified
Right.
kyle seraphin
It's reasonable to say that, to be fair.
tim pool
You can't trust her.
It's Gheelan Maxwell.
kyle seraphin
She's in prison for 20 years.
tim pool
What happens if she gives a statement and Trump and the DOJ come out with new documents from witness testimony that says it was actually Dedamshift or Liz Cheney and Raskin who were coordinating with Epstein?
And they say, well, this is corroborated witness testimony.
There's a million and one conspiracies about what's actually going on.
One of them is that this is the pro-Trump side conspiracy, the Democrats put unverified hearsay in there that smears Trump so that he can't release it because it'll be damaging to him.
If that is the case, or even if Trump is actually in this, his opportunity now is to go to Guy Lane, have her offer up statements which can overwrite any existing documents and be the documents.
kyle seraphin
Or put it in context, which is probably most likely, if I had to guess.
Like, I'm sure that Trump's name has to be in the same source.
tim pool
Yes, but when Trump says, I'm going to release the files, he releases his files that he made right now in his DOJ that implicates his enemies.
kyle seraphin
There's a continuum of possible truth because we don't actually have access to any of the things that the FBI has, and they've obviously not decided to share it with us.
So somewhere on, let's say, the right end of this spectrum is the entirety of the criminal conspiracy was a man and a woman who were sickos that were going after young girls that were post-pubescent, but they were underage.
And that's what the trafficking operation was.
And it ended in 2004.
That could be the possibility.
Like that's one end of it.
The other end of it is, is like this vast criminal conspiracy that stretches across the entire globe where all these global leaders are implicated and everybody is being blackmailed and there's sexual material on all these people.
And so you've got that.
And the reason why I think the Americans are so dialed in and why they're not going to let this go, which I think was a miscalculation on the Trump administration's part, I think they saw it and thought something was going to happen.
They could use some of the influencers and some of the media people to just go, hey, let's just put this to bed.
These people that you trust said no.
That didn't work.
And I think the reason is because there's these three things that are kind of hitting in a car crash, the worst case scenario.
You've got elite level people, so people that have more money than God, and they operate at a different level.
And we already kind of suspect that they have a different justice system.
Then you have the possibility of corruption being involved.
So government doing things that it shouldn't do and giving people special treatment because of that money.
And then lastly, children being hurt.
But we keep saying children because that's what the, you know, the sort of verbiage is out in all the podcast spheres and everything else.
But we're talking about, if we're being honest, we're talking about 15, 16, 17 year old girls.
They're very young.
They make terrible decisions, just like all of us did at that age.
But it's not quite the same as imagining like an eight-year-old girl.
But these, it is a different thing.
tim pool
So the documents suggest that Keelan Maxwell was asking young women if they wanted to be models.
kyle seraphin
As young as 14.
tim pool
So you put them on a plane.
And then once they're on the island, they're like, you're an underage hooker now.
kyle seraphin
You can read like what they had them do.
And it was very graphic in the actual conviction.
And it involves specific touching.
It involved, I'm not going to read it.
It's illicit.
So if people want to go see it, DOJ has it out there.
You can go out and read the press release of what her actual conviction was for.
But what it is very, very light on, in fact, to the point where there's nothing other than her and Jeffrey Epstein, there's only two people mentioned there.
There's no co-conspirators, which would substantiate what the FBI put out.
But at the end of the day, you got a big problem there too, because two of the guys that are running the FBI spent a couple of years telling us something was different, like something very different was true.
And a lot of people have accepted these things as fact.
And they've also accepted that this guy is an Intel asset, that Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of an intelligence service.
And whether that's true or not, the actual thing that people continue to quote was something that Alex Acosta said, allegedly, because somebody else quoted him.
It's like second or third.
I don't even know how far you go out for hearsay, but it was apparently something he said during a vetting process for a cabinet position in Trump's first administration.
And everybody hangs their hat and we're like, well, that's definitive.
It turns out that's actually not evidence.
That's like some guy said something that he said he thought he heard.
ian crossland
What was the thing that got said?
kyle seraphin
They said that Epstein was an intelligence asset.
ian crossland
That allegedly got said, but no one.
tim pool
He was told to back off because Epstein belongs to intelligence.
kyle seraphin
But that's, again, that is somebody heard the guy supposedly who said it.
And I haven't heard Alice Acosta come out and say that he said that.
So it's now, like I said, it's in the sphere of people just accepted as fact.
tim pool
Well, how come nobody's subpoenaing any of these people?
How come no one's calling them to testify before Congress?
It's all grandstanding with binders and Oh, I totally agree with that because here's the problem.
kyle seraphin
The reason is we already got the definitive statement from DOJ unless something dramatically changed.
They actually said the case is closed.
We're done with it.
There's no further indictments coming.
There's no co-conspirators.
There's no blackmail or client list.
And I don't know why you guys are still talking about it.
And then Trump called everybody a weakling that still wanted to talk about it.
So this has been like Mike Howell, who works over at Oversight Project, and he's they're a spin-off from Heritage Foundation.
He was like, if you wanted to teach a class on the worst possible messaging of a public handling of a case, like this is the one.
It is so damn slow.
ian crossland
You know, Trump is normally very, very smooth with his words, but ever since Abrego Garcia is like, he has MS-13 printed on his knuckles.
And he's totally wrong.
I think the shame is like, take this, either he's on that list and he's using this to cover that up or something is, he's just living in shame.
phil labonte
Your point about him being really good at this stuff is well taken because he's a master marketer.
He comes from the entertainment world where marketing is super important.
His brand is worldwide.
And it's all because of Donald Trump's decisions.
To blow it this bad is, I think, is part of why people are like, what's going on?
kyle seraphin
Agreed.
I mean, it could be as simple as people have just basically downplayed it.
Who wants to be the guy that gives that guy bad news about something?
Like, hey, we were talking about it as a lead up in the campaign.
Your son hyped it.
Your current FBI director hyped it.
Your deputy director hyped it.
You've got your attorney general out there currently still hyping it, talking about this thing.
And by the way, sir, there's nothing there.
We don't have what you think we have.
And all we really have is a couple of little documents.
And one of them says, you know, it's either a Trump donor or a Trump in there.
And it could be in a totally innocuous thing.
But just having your name in the quote unquote files that everyone now imagines are these like truckloads of documents, it's a smear at this point.
So you look terrible.
Nobody, and it's not like we're dealing with honest operators.
We're going to be seeing people from the left, which we continue to see throughout the last two or three weeks.
They suddenly really desperately care, except Chuck Schumer, who now doesn't want it, which, as you said, that's a fun reversal because a few seconds ago, they were screaming about it.
tim pool
Well, let's pull this up.
We've got this from The Hill.
Schumer condemns DOJ meeting with Maxwell.
Stinks of high corruption.
Now, hold on there, gosh Darn minute.
Democrats were demanding we expose the Epstein files.
So the DOJ says, we are going to dig into this.
Trump says, get the grand jury testimony, whatever's credible, put it out there.
They said, we're going to go talk with Gheelane.
And now the Democrats are freaking out.
Could it be that they played a game of chicken with Donald Trump because neither party wants this information released?
And now they're realizing Trump's going to do it.
kyle seraphin
I think that as long as they keep this floating and as long as there's not actual evidence to put it to bed, where it's like, they're not going to get the grand jury testimony out of Florida.
The judge already denied it.
They're probably not going to get it out of New York either.
That's the way grand juries work.
They're supposed to work and they're operating in secrecy.
So you're not going to likely see that.
So as long as you can keep that going, you're going to have people that are excited about it.
They're going to speculate about it.
It's a political win for them as long as it's out there.
Because I was on with Alex Jones the other day and he's like, can you give me any good news?
Like, is anybody winning?
I'm like, yeah, of course people are winning.
But you know who's winning?
The people that are not in the news.
The people that are actually like uncovering actual corruption, which got done, people like Secretary Wright over at DOE.
They're people that are doing good work.
They just don't do it on Fox.
And that's the way most governments have run for all of my lifetime and all of everybody else's lifetime because you usually don't go and try to adjudicate your successes on Fox News every single night.
That's not usually the way that these.
How many times have you ever seen an interview with an attorney general in one month?
What's the most you've ever seen?
phil labonte
I mean, I can't even think of him off.
tim pool
Before Bondi, never.
kyle seraphin
Exactly.
You never saw Merrick Garland running out there and like running to see if he could sit down with MSNBC.
Maybe he did a weekend show or something.
tim pool
Unless they had some political smear to launch the last minute before election.
kyle seraphin
Exactly.
That's it.
It just doesn't happen in this way.
So we're seeing something totally different.
And now people are like, they're like, okay, if the game has changed, then I want to see more.
Like, now you need to give us total transparency.
And at the end of the day, the real work of government continues on, you know, whether we like it or not.
And it's just not done on Fox.
ian crossland
My concern, it's a bit conspiracy oriented, Mike, is that because you mentioned earlier how these girls that Epstein was trafficking and Gheelane were trafficking were, I don't know if trafficking is the right word, but they weren't pre-profit.
tim pool
It is trafficking.
ian crossland
Trafficking, technically.
tim pool
No, no, literal.
Trafficking is when someone is taken to a place to be forced to do work that they don't want to do.
ian crossland
There's something about crossing borders, I think, that delineates between smuggling and trafficking.
tim pool
Smuggling is when, like, so a person is an illegal immigrant and wants to come to the US and get smuggled in.
That smuggling trafficking would be they're brought here to do labor.
So if you're taking young girls and tricking them to go to an island to do sex work, you're trafficking them.
ian crossland
So they, it, it seems like they weren't pre-pubescent.
So it's not pedophilia.
That indicates pre-pubescent.
We talked about this last week, actually.
It was Phil's laughing.
And I think a lot of people involved.
phil labonte
Nobody really makes the distinction in their head.
ian crossland
People are going to feel, like, the people involved are like, if this kits out, my name gets put on a list and people think I'm a pedophile.
You know how pedophiles get treated.
So they're going to the ends of the earth to cover it up.
When in reality, 14-year-old women, age of consent in a lot of countries, giving a guy a massage and then he thinks he's 18 and he has sex with her, not pedophilia.
You have your own emotions about it.
But if we can somehow maybe lower the heat on it, it's pederasty, but it's still illegal.
tim pool
And there's a reason why culturally.
I just want to say something very, very carefully and clearly for you, Ian.
The distinction you are trying to draw us is a lot about what you want, because society largely disagrees with everything you just said.
ian crossland
That's true.
Pedophilia is pedophiles.
tim pool
Typically, when you see people like Stephen King or whoever else, you know, because he wrote those creepy books talking about that stuff, when people are publicly trying to draw a distinction between what it means to be sleeping with underage women, 99.9% of people in this country are like, why are you bringing that up?
Because none of us agree with you.
ian crossland
You're flying too close to the sun, Ian.
I'm like, yeah, well, you got to get up here.
kyle seraphin
No, Ian.
ian crossland
This is where the keys are.
tim pool
No, Ian, you're telling on yourself.
ian crossland
It's not.
A 17-year-old underage girl is not pedophilia.
Not like a 16-year-old girl.
It's not a girl.
tim pool
In this country disagree with you.
kyle seraphin
And it's also a strict liability crime in almost every single state.
So that means it doesn't matter whether you know or not the age, if they are under the age of consent, it is considered statutory rape.
So just so you understand like the legality of it, you get like you're sideways of it on cultural norms.
I do understand the distinction you're making.
There are legal ages of consent in other places, 16 years old sometimes.
tim pool
Even in the United States.
kyle seraphin
But in the United States, West Virginia, literally.
We generally look at the age of majority being 18.
And then anything under whatever the age of consent is, it's almost always a strict liability crime, which means whether you knew it or not, whether she was someone who went through puberty at 11 or 12 and blossomed and looks like a young woman.
And yeah, everyone's been to like a public pool.
I'm actually a father.
I'm constantly like disgusted by what dads will have their daughters out there in the world looking like.
I'm like, good God almighty.
Like, so your 16 year old looks like 25.
That doesn't still put you within, just because someone looks older, it doesn't correct it on the legal side.
tim pool
This is important.
In 30 states and D.C., it's 16.
So most of the United States.
And the reason is, the reason they do that, which is why 14, by the way, only 13 states have an age of 18 consent.
phil labonte
But the reason they do that is so that way 18-year-old teenage boys, essentially 17, 18-year-old boys, that if they have sex with their 16-year-old girlfriend, it doesn't ruin their life.
tim pool
That's called the Romeo and Juliet exemptions, and they exist in most.
That's not why that, that's not all they're doing.
And so I'm pretty sure this is, this is like Illinois is a good example.
I can't speak for other places.
If a 19-year-old is in a relationship with a 16-year-old in Illinois, that's a Romeo and Juliet exemption because they're both going to the same school.
They're around the same age.
Or it's like they met in high school and the kid graduated.
So they cut slack.
I think if it's within three years, you get a Romeo and Juliet exemption.
phil labonte
So then why?
So what's the point of 16 then?
tim pool
Some states set it at 16.
stephen stamboulieh
They raised it.
Legitimately.
phil labonte
It's broken.
stephen stamboulieh
Mississippi was 14 for a long time.
Like I grew up in Mississippi, right?
So then they raised it to 16.
When?
It didn't feel like it was that long ago.
I don't know the exact date, but I do know that they raised it.
ian crossland
I mean, it's a weird conversation, but I like it.
It's like age and time is motion, and people change and grow at different rates.
You know, that's a biological reality, especially with like hormones.
kyle seraphin
Right, which people, that's why they put a baseline at the lowest level and say this is like as low as it should be appropriate.
It changes culturally.
I get what you're saying.
But at the end of the day, at the United States, the other thing that's really weird too is that child pornography laws come into play sometimes because everybody is involved with smartphones and transmission of images.
You fall underneath the federal statute under a certain age and you transmit it to someone who's above, now you're in really bad shape, and you may be within the age of consent in your own state.
tim pool
There was a story racing.
kyle seraphin
This used to happen with Polaroids back in the day.
There was a case when I was in high school.
I knew a guy who had gotten a Polaroid of a girlfriend or something.
It was a huge scandal in this little town.
And he was 17.
I think she was 17.
And they went after him for child pornography.
tim pool
There was a story out of Illinois where two, there's like a 14-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy, and they were Snapchatting each other.
And when the parents got angry, and because the parents of the 12-year-old boy, they called the police, the police said, we're going to arrest your son for child pornography too.
Unless you, if you really want to go down this route, because the law doesn't draw a distinction.
And the parents were like, what?
No.
And they, yeah.
kyle seraphin
It doesn't.
tim pool
Scandal.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, no, it's, and your transmission.
So anytime you hit anything that's interstate, then you start becoming really every single person.
tim pool
There was a story.
kyle seraphin
And so that's when it becomes a federal issue.
tim pool
There was a story recently where I think the guy was 20 and he met a woman at a bar who was 17, but she had a fake ID and they went and had sex.
And then later, I forget how it came to light.
He gets arrested.
The mother of the woman he slept with, who was at the time not a woman, she was 17 at the time.
Then it was like a year later in court.
And her mom testified on his behalf that she deceived him and lied to him.
And the court did not care.
kyle seraphin
Strict liability.
tim pool
Yeah, they don't care.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
And for what it's worth, I was just double-checking my math because I had it in my head.
But minor under the federal statute, particularly when it comes to images or anything like that and transmission on interstate.
So all your servers, you know, anything, if you were to mail it, I guess that would also be an issue.
Minor means anyone under the age of 18.
tim pool
But let's clarify something too, Ian.
Again, your distinction is completely immaterial to the fact that there were, let's say a 16-year-old, right, was told by Maxwell, at least this is some of the reported what they were doing, saying, we're wealthy financiers and we can have you model.
And they would go, wow, come on our private jet.
Wow, where to?
Part in a private island with billionaires.
This is amazing.
They bring them there and say, now you can't leave unless you have sex with these men.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a little messed up.
It's similar to what, I don't want to drag Andrew Tate.
It's messed up.
But like Andrew, I was saying it was similar to what Andrew Tate was doing with those girls to come be his chat cam girls and then he'd get them there and apparently would keep them against their will or that was maybe the insinuation.
It's one thing if you make them have sex with someone.
That's like.
tim pool
Well, I will say this.
The challenging thing about the Tate case is that those, I think the charges all failed every time they've brought him up and several women have testified in his defense.
So say whatever you want about him.
I don't know as much.
Gheelan Maxwell was convicted.
Andrew Tate was actually, the charges fell apart.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Gee-Lane thing, and I'll bring up Lex Westner.
I don't know how involved he was.
He runs Victoria's Secret or ran it at the time.
And there was a throughput, I believe, from the Maxwell and Victoria Secret.
They were like buddies.
I don't know the extent of their relationship.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, so the way that that, and this is one of the reasons why people ask, because it's like, quote-unquote, unexplained wealth is the big story in Jeffrey Epstein's case.
So just the quick primer on it is he was a teacher at the Dalton School, which is a very fancy private school in New York.
He had no college degree, and he theoretically wouldn't even have been in line to be teaching there.
But he was hired, and this is where you start getting into famous name theater, but he was hired by Donald Barr, who is the attorney, the former attorney general's dad, Bill Barr.
Okay, so Donald Barr was the headmaster, apparently hired Jeffrey Epstein with no college degree to teach math and physics.
And then Donald Barr left.
Jeffrey Epstein started his first terms, was there for a little while.
And then after he was there for a little bit, he inexplicably makes the leap from non-credentialed high school teacher at very expensive private school to investment banker at Bear Stearns.
And the claim is, is that the CEO of Bear Stearns' child was either tutored by or one of his friends, his kid's friends was tutored by Epstein, saw talent and brought him in to Bear Stearns.
He did that for a couple of years.
Then he jumps into this asset recovery company that he created.
And then somewhere in that couple years, in the early 1980s, he suddenly is the guy who is in charge of all of Les Wexner's financial investments to the point where in 1991, Les Wechner, who, as you said, owned the limited and then Victoria's Secret was one of the companies as well.
And the guy was a multi-billionaire.
He signed over his power of attorney for all financials to Jeffrey Epstein.
I think the year was like 1991.
Somebody will fact check me on that, but it's right around there, which makes no sense whatsoever.
And Les Wexner also gave him the famous penthouse or the apartment that he had in New York City, which people don't know why he did that.
It was like a 50-something million-dollar property in the 1990s.
And he just signed it over to him, free and clear.
So all of that made people ask questions.
That's where a lot of the intelligence questions came in, addition to the fact that Maxwell's dad had a bunch of people from the Israeli intelligence service attend his funeral.
So you've got all these strange things.
It's tons of smoke.
There's very little in the way of concrete facts.
And nobody knows how the guy became worth like close to a billion dollars if he was, because it's not the way people do business.
You don't go from being a high school teacher to being a trader to being a guy who is then privately managing a billionaire's wealth.
And then he also received flat fees in the millions of dollars a year as opposed to based on performance, which is the way most people get.
All of that's really strange.
stephen stamboulieh
Who got his money after he died?
kyle seraphin
Who's that?
stephen stamboulieh
Epstein.
kyle seraphin
So the estate is still out there and it's been contested by a number of the victims that have claimed.
And there's like something like 150 or 200 victims that have gone out there and filed claims.
So all the young women that were apparently involved in this, and they're briefly mentioned in Maxwell's, going back to the original topic, they're briefly mentioned.
I just want to read you, if you don't mind, like from the sentencing document, so you get an idea of what they were saying they did.
They said that Maxwell attempted to befriend certain victims, asking them about their lives, their schools, their families, taking them to the movies on shopping trips, and then acclimated them to Epstein's conduct by being present as the victims interacted with Epstein, which put the victims at ease, providing a certain amount of assurance and comfort that there was an adult woman there.
So all this was very grooming-like behavior.
And then they go on to talk about the things you said, paying for travel, educational opportunities, encourage them to accept Epstein's assistance and whatever it was, making the victims feel like they were indebted.
So all of this is very like aggressive, grooming type behaviors.
And it goes back to like 1994 when he's already got a ton of money and he's tied in with the people you were just talking about.
So the story of Epstein is, I think, fascinating to people mostly because it's a lot of money.
There's not a lot of explanation why he has it, how he got into those positions, his interest in young women, whether you agree or not, like it's younger than is acceptable by most of American society.
And then you get to the final place where he goes into a jail cell and 30 days in, kills himself, and there's all this lore around it, which is far more than what you ever see in the court document.
ian crossland
What is this?
You said Lex Wesner signed over power of attorney of his fine.
What does that mean exactly?
kyle seraphin
He gave him power of attorney, which means that he had the same authority to make decisions as Les himself would.
phil labonte
With his finances.
kyle seraphin
With his finances.
ian crossland
He could invest all Lex's money in his own company, and that would be completely legal.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
And what's interesting is he was actually, apparently, he left his job at Bear Stearns for an insider trading problem.
He like lends somebody some money while he was doing some insider trading stuff to the tune of like 300 grand.
So he got censored and he had to leave.
tim pool
We got a quick addition, not necessarily a correction, but in federal matters pertaining to interstate travel, the age of consent is always 18.
kyle seraphin
I think it's a man act thing.
It goes back to the, which was like a white slave trafficking law.
ian crossland
And then the weird thing now we're facing is digital information transfer, because if an image is seen in a state and then it goes to a server in Alaska and then comes back to the state, no one ever sees it in Alaska.
It's just on a server.
And the person only sees it here and here on two phones in the same state.
Technically, the image never, the electricity left.
kyle seraphin
They literally do.
They do that as part of the argument when they do these filings.
And they actually argue it in court that the servers exist in these places.
Let's say if you want to do a federal case on guns, for example, they will make the argument that it is a federal matter simply because the gun was not made in the state that you're in and therefore it had to be trafficked in there.
So if you live in a state outside of Georgia and you have a Glock, then you have now found yourself in an interstate commerce situation.
These lines are very, very...
It definitely shouldn't be used as justification for federal law enforcement to be able to grab everything that goes outside of the state.
And so in the case of what you're talking about, anything that touches the telco wires, touches a server, touches a cloud, even if you like theoretically are just you to me, it's assumed to be an interstate matter at that point.
It's the means of communication.
It doesn't actually have to show that it went anywhere.
And so just using that technology is enough to make it a federal matter.
Whether you like it or not, that's just how it plays out.
tim pool
It's Friday and Ian's here.
So we're going to jump to this next story from the New York Post.
kyle seraphin
It's got aliens.
tim pool
Possibly hostile alien threat detected an unknown interstellar object.
A shocking news study claims.
It's the New York Post.
The New York Post says, a mysterious intergalactic object could potentially be a hostile alien spacecraft that's slated to attack our planet in November, according to a controversial news study by a small group of scientists.
The consequences, should the hypothesis turn to be correct, could be potentially dire for humanity.
You think?
The researchers wrote in the inflammatory paper, which was published July 16th, to the preprint server, ARXIV, Southwest News Service reported, and here's a picture that proves it.
It's aliens.
Actually, it's Galactus.
ian crossland
Those are the Infinity Gems.
He made them a lot of money.
kyle seraphin
I like that it was a small number of scientists in a controversial paper.
tim pool
Yep.
Dubbed 3.
You know what's funny is I don't know if that's an I or an L. Dubbed 3L Atlas.
The interstellar entity was discovered on July 1st rocketing toward the sun at more than 130,000 miles per hour.
Less than 24 hours later, it was confirmed to be an interstellar object with initial observation suggesting it could be a comet measuring up to 15 miles in diameter, larger than Manhattan.
kyle seraphin
Could also be Uber Eats Galactic.
tim pool
However, in the paper, the trio of researchers suggested it might be a piece of extraterrestrial spy technology in disguise.
phil labonte
I mean, comets aren't generally interstellar.
They come from the Yort Cloud, and the Yort Cloud is technically part of our solar system.
tim pool
And they're in orbit.
phil labonte
Yeah, and they're in orbit around the Sun.
So it's not interstellar.
So if this is actually interstellar, it does make it novel because we don't have things coming from Umuamwa or whatever.
unidentified
Remember that?
Yeah.
phil labonte
Oh, the planetary.
tim pool
No, it's a interstellar oblong object.
phil labonte
2017, right?
tim pool
Yeah, Umwamwa or something.
ian crossland
Big long rock.
tim pool
That's what it was called.
kyle seraphin
I can picture the AI graphic of it, but I don't know what it was called.
tim pool
Umuamua.
kyle seraphin
There it is.
ian crossland
I've been thinking about the substance.
Can the spirits get angry?
Do you think spirits can feel emotion?
kyle seraphin
What do you mean by spirits?
You have to define your terms.
ian crossland
Well, like your subconscious.
tim pool
What?
That's a...
Okay.
ian crossland
You know, your subconscious has, like, thoughts in its own kind of...
phil labonte
90 degrees.
ian crossland
I think that's like your radio receiver to the spirits.
Yeah, but it's all come through one loud spirit.
phil labonte
You think this is spirits?
ian crossland
Well, I don't know.
I've seen people call for the asteroid twice this week, and I wonder if there's something about.
kyle seraphin
I always thought they were calling for the sweet meteor of death.
Yeah.
It's called the S-M-O-D, the SMOD.
Two of my friends wrote that in on the presidential election.
tim pool
Sweet meteor of death.
kyle seraphin
That's what they wrote in.
They wanted SMOD 2024.
tim pool
Honestly, it's the waiting I can't stand.
kyle seraphin
It's really the worst part of it.
ian crossland
That's what it all comes down to hurry up and wait.
kyle seraphin
The worst part will be once it's announced that it's inbound and then you have to wait for it.
tim pool
It'll be the funniest thing ever, just the funniest, if like come November, there's a gigantic ship in the sky coming.
People are going to take clips of the show and boy, are we going to get roasted.
kyle seraphin
Put it in the New York Post.
At that point, we're going to have such bigger problems.
We're going to be trying to.
tim pool
Oh, no, the only thing we want to care about is our reputations.
You got this wrong.
unidentified
Shut up.
tim pool
Stop making fun of me.
unidentified
Make more room in the shelter.
phil labonte
I mean, the entire internet is just alive with people saying they'll do anything to not release the Epstein files.
This is the distraction.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, that's what happens.
Early this morning, my buddy and I were talking, and we decided that we need three things in this country right now.
We need a better class of grifters.
We need better psyops, which Elon Musk actually tweeted as well.
And my buddy came to a novel conclusion that is also true.
We need better conquerors or villains.
He's like, what a terrible time to be alive in 2025.
And like back in the day, you used to have like actual strongmen, dictator, evil people that would come in.
They'd put people's heads on pikes.
And we have like Bill Gates like quietly plotting like whether or not we're going to population.
tim pool
He's got big old moves.
unidentified
He just doesn't Trump can't lie.
tim pool
Okay, so part of me wants to believe all of the like the aliens is a distraction and Obama's a distraction.
And, you know, Trump is fumbling on purpose because there's a deeper plan here and it's 5D chess.
But I think the reality is Trump is just very not good at handling this PR disaster.
And the most frustrating thing about it is there's probably a 24-year-old marketing intern who could have done it better.
kyle seraphin
We should also probably also give the grace where it is that he's got to be exhausted.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Sure.
kyle seraphin
Because being beaten down for 10 straight years where everything you do is scrutinized.
Like the other day, he went out and talked about how his uncle, who's no longer with us, was a teacher of Fred Kaczynski.
ian crossland
Or It was a John, John Trump.
tim pool
Wait, what?
kyle seraphin
You didn't hear this?
tim pool
Tesla guy?
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
tim pool
Wait, wait, the Tesla guy was a teacher of Kaczynski.
kyle seraphin
Well, that's what he claimed.
The problem is that his uncle died in like 1985 or 1986, and Kaczynski was founded in 1996.
So there's a big gap of no possibilities there.
No one knew who Ted Kaczynski was at the time.
So nobody could ask that question.
And he never attended MIT, which is where John Trump actually taught.
So that's not a true story.
And at some point in time, when you start saying funny things like that and you're just, look, you get tired and you just start talking.
He said a lot of things.
Wasn't that Ben Shapiro's quote about Donald Trump that when he dies, his tombstone will say, Donald Trump, you know, he said a lot of things.
I think he had a more colorful term for it.
ian crossland
It definitely seems like he's probably thinking, oh my God, I'm going to go through all this and then they're going to use this stupid Epstein thing to get my name because I was there with Epstein because I've known him and they're going to try and do me this way.
I'm not letting it happen.
Like that feels what's going on right now.
tim pool
Okay, so one of the first things you learn in marketing when you're 18 and you're going to your first college 101 class is they say, in almost every circumstance, your best course of action is to say and do nothing.
And Trump is like, I'm going to do the opposite and just not shut up for two weeks.
kyle seraphin
That wasn't bad.
phil labonte
Hold my beer.
kyle seraphin
That wasn't a bad Trump.
phil labonte
Hold my beer.
tim pool
Hold my beer.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, no, he can't do it.
This was the argument about Trump 1.0 as well.
Like a little bit of discipline would have gone so far if he had just not said some things.
People would have just looked at their 401k at the end of like 2019.
They'd be like, man, we're doing really fine.
tim pool
That's why I'm like, this has to be on purpose because there's no way you go, why are you still talking about Epstein?
Nobody cares about Epstein.
You're all weak and you're not my supporters.
phil labonte
Screw you.
tim pool
And it's like, well, now they're going to talk about it twice.
kyle seraphin
The ultimate Streisan effect on that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And Trump knows this.
Come on.
ian crossland
And he must feel like, I don't need their votes anymore anyway.
So that's about orbiting.
tim pool
That's not true.
kyle seraphin
He doesn't need their votes.
ian crossland
I mean, I guess you need the midterm votes.
tim pool
In 2018, Trump was campaigning in the midterms because he said, I will be impeached if you do not vote for these people.
He needs these midterm votes.
kyle seraphin
Didn't they just come out and say, didn't the Democrats just come out and say that they're not interested in impeachment because it would just be...
What are you talking about?
They only tell us the truth, Phil.
And I'm not going to have that from you.
phil labonte
How dare you?
Absolutely impeaching.
tim pool
There's a.
kyle seraphin
I was just saying, they said it.
tim pool
There's a profile on me and the company in the Wall Street Journal.
kyle seraphin
Recent?
tim pool
Today, actually.
kyle seraphin
Oh, nice.
tim pool
They came down and took photos.
I think they were actually very fair and very nice.
I think it was actually, you know, considering how the media writes about people in this space, I would call it a puff piece, meaning like they didn't insult me.
But they did say that we veer into conspiracy territory.
And I was talking to the reporter, I said, she asked me, like, do you think this is conspiracy?
I said, no, I actually think I completely agree with the entirety of the Democratic Party and the liberal media on the Epstein files needing to be released.
And for some reason, Trump isn't wanting to.
So there's potentially some agenda behind this.
And she still wrote that I was like veering into conspiracy territory.
But it wasn't like insulting or anything.
I just think that it is somewhat frustrating that finally the Democrats are screaming conspiracy.
And we are all still conspiracy theorists now, even if we agree with what they're screaming conspiracy about.
kyle seraphin
So this is the discussion I actually had this with your driver on the way in.
You can agree with people and have totally different motives.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
kyle seraphin
Right?
You could have the idea that you're like, that guy needs to go away and it needs to happen violently.
And it could be because you want to take all of his money and you're a thief, but it could also be because he did something really terrible in your town or hurt somebody that you know.
And you could have the same exact goal or end.
In the case of the government, the Democrats, when it comes to like voting for things, they're like, there's not enough puff and government money here.
We're not doing enough bloat.
And then you see people on the right that are like, I don't like this bill.
It has too much of that.
They both vote the same way.
They both get smeared the same.
So whether you're being fair or not, if you agree with people that you're not supposed to, apparently, you get smeared.
tim pool
So are we in agreement then?
We are hoping the aliens are coming to destroy us?
kyle seraphin
Yeah, I thought that was assumed.
unidentified
Okay, all right.
ian crossland
No, we are becoming aliens, man.
We're merging with the machine.
You think it's our probes are already on Mars?
phil labonte
Is this even a conversation?
You're just like, every time anyone says anything, I don't think there's external aliens.
On your own.
ian crossland
We have the moon.
You'd have to find a planet with the moon.
phil labonte
We have the moon.
tim pool
We do have the moon.
ian crossland
None of the moon with a moon like ours that can create tides that will allow life to thrive like we are.
kyle seraphin
How do you know, though?
How do you know?
ian crossland
Have you ever been to the moon?
tim pool
Okay, that was a good idea.
kyle seraphin
So one of the best, I remember I was driving through Montana and I was listening to Joe Rogan talking to Alex Jones.
And you ever have one of those things where someone says something and it expands your mind and it'll never go back to the original size?
He's like, I don't think that there's extraterrestrials.
I think that all the things that people think are aliens are actually human beings from the future because who else would be more interested in human beings than human beings at some distant point in the future?
And I was like, oh no, like, I don't know that is true.
And I don't even know that I believe it's true.
I just went like, oh, man, I've never thought of that as being a real person.
tim pool
Well, the theory is that grays are future humans.
kyle seraphin
Okay, do you know the story about the grays with me?
tim pool
No, I don't.
You met one.
kyle seraphin
I was sitting in my boss's office in 2022, my FBI supervisor.
I'm on duty and they've just assigned me to a squad and gave me no work.
So he calls me to the office because they were trying to punish me.
They put me on a national security squad because they were going to get rid of me.
This is after my whistleblowing activity.
They kicked me out for COVID stuff.
Now I'm back in the office.
I'm sitting there and I have no work.
So I like, I refresh all my paramedic stuff and I get called in the office.
My boss hits me down.
He goes, so what sort of work do you want to do here?
And I was like, oh, I don't want to be on a national security squad.
So I'll do whatever you ask me, but I'm not going to tell you I want to do anything because I don't.
And he was like, and it went do, do.
So he looks at me.
He's looking at me and he goes, well, you got to pick something.
And I go, well, I'm not really excited about anything.
And then I, then I had this little moment about the Dolce base that kicked into my head because one of my buddies, who's also an FBI agent, was really excited about it.
And so I look over and there's a map of New Mexico.
I go, maybe I can go up to the Archolita Mesa and do some investigations into the Dolce base.
Do you think I can get like a travel voucher to get some approved travel a couple days, go ask some questions?
And he goes, what's the Dolce base?
I go, it's one of the dumbs.
And he was like, I don't know what that is.
And I was like, oh, they're the deep underground military bases.
There's like a dozen of them around New Mexico.
They're all connected with like, you know, like a cavernous cave system.
And I just, apparently there was a big fight back in the 80s between Delta Force and some of the Greys.
And so, you know, apparently an FBI agent was actually killed in the gunfire.
And so I would like to go and do an investigation of that, see if we can come up with anything and go check out what happened to our brothers.
And he goes, When you say grays, you mean aliens.
And I sat there for a second.
I looked at him and I go, What do you call them?
He goes, Dude, I don't know if you're being serious with me right now.
And I was like, Me neither.
And then I left, and they never assigned me anything.
And now I don't work there anymore.
What if they might have been firing because of the alien question?
tim pool
I'm just you mean you had an opportunity to get in on the X-Files?
kyle seraphin
Tried.
Tried desperately.
That's what I'm telling you.
I gave it my best shot.
And I basically, they gave me the blank look.
And by the way, I went to blank look.
They just were like, what are you talking about?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
After you left, he picks up his phone.
He goes, he's on to a seraphin's out.
Seraphin's out.
kyle seraphin
Punch his ticket.
ian crossland
I was hanging out.
I think about the spirits, and I think spirits because they control the aliens.
kyle seraphin
When you say Seraphina, your spirit airlines.
ian crossland
Well, I think the spirit is like the guy playing a video game.
We're the character in the video game, the avatar getting moved around, and the spirit is the controller, the guy watching the TV of us doing our life.
So when you see the spirits and they see you, and you realize you're, it'd be like if your video game character turns and looks at you and is like, what the fuck?
And then you can interact with your spirit, which is like all of human spirit combined into this one.
kyle seraphin
It's one fourth wall break.
They do this in Hollywood sometimes.
Yeah, and I think faux pas until they did Ferris Bueller.
ian crossland
I think it's you, aspects of you, but what happens is you grow up, you get old, you die, and then you're born as a spirit.
And as a spirit, you grow up.
And when you die as a spirit, you become a human.
And we're like in this co-partner.
kyle seraphin
What's the name of this theology?
tim pool
Ianism.
ian crossland
I don't know.
kyle seraphin
Raj.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
How well accepted is it?
tim pool
Not at all.
In fact, there's a general disdain for it.
kyle seraphin
It would be accepted under Title VII, just so you know, you can have that.
Title VII would assume that you were sincere and genuine in your beliefs.
ian crossland
Tax-free?
tim pool
Oh, dude, no one doubts Ian.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, no, there's no tax-free status for it.
stephen stamboulieh
It just reminds me of like a Rogan conversation if he was high.
I've never done it.
I've never done drugs, so I'm like trying to sit here and like from my slap.
tim pool
You know, here's the secret.
Ian doesn't actually do drugs.
stephen stamboulieh
No, I'm not accusing you of doing drugs.
I'm just thinking, like, my brain can't think in the capacity of the words that you're speaking.
ian crossland
It was kind of like Kyle was saying, have you ever had a conversation that twists your mind open and then it doesn't ever go back?
Have you ever given birth to a new thought and it's like that ain't ever shrinking back to its original?
tim pool
I didn't use the give birth.
kyle seraphin
It's not my words.
tim pool
The actual origin story is that around 2008, not only did Ian have that conversation, but they grabbed him by the head and just twisted it into a permanent.
ian crossland
That was the salvia that did that.
stephen stamboulieh
Oh, see, exactly.
Like, I've never done even that.
ian crossland
Yeah, DMT was where I saw the spirits.
It was like I was in.
We're also in a high frequency.
unidentified
What age were you?
tim pool
Hold on.
phil labonte
I think you saw it.
kyle seraphin
Higher frequency.
ian crossland
We don't.
stephen stamboulieh
I would need to do it.
kyle seraphin
What age were you when you first did this?
ian crossland
DMT?
Like 44, 45.
kyle seraphin
Okay.
I had an interesting phone call from my, I have a half brother who's got nine and a half years on me.
And he called me when I was like 23 years old.
And he goes, hey, man, I was thinking about you.
I just want to tell you something.
And I go, what?
And he goes, your time for psychotropic drugs is over.
And I was like, what?
And he's like, your window where that would be appropriate for your mind is, it's closed.
So you can't do that.
And I was like, why were you thinking about that?
And why would you think that was something I was interested in?
But he shut me down.
And so I'm concerned that you might have experienced that outside of your window.
tim pool
And that's it.
Let's come back to Earth and talk about reality.
We've got this story from Business Insider.
Ladies and gentlemen, check it out.
T-app that lets women post anonymous dating reviews was hit by a data breach that exposed 72,000 images.
So maybe you guys have seen It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, where Dennis finds out there's this app where women rate men and he's got like a really low score.
He gets really angry.
So he's trying to go around telling women to give him five-star ratings.
Well, this is going viral.
And this was Kellen's idea, but we're introducing a new app.
It's called Horror Finder, where dudes can rate women.
They date based on whether they're snooty or DTF.
I kept the language a little light on that one.
kyle seraphin
I did.
phil labonte
I thoroughly enjoyed when I saw the pictures of all the women that were on T because they were exactly what you would think.
They were all incredibly unattractive.
kyle seraphin
I was going to say, give us broad strokes here.
phil labonte
Just terrible looking.
kyle seraphin
Artificial hair color.
phil labonte
Some of that.
Mostly bad skin and had never seen the inside of a gym.
Don't exercise.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
phil labonte
I don't want to say no to cookies.
tim pool
Are you guys familiar with survivorship bias?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Yes.
kyle seraphin
I feel like I misheard what he said.
tim pool
Survivorship bias.
unidentified
Ship.
kyle seraphin
Gotcha.
tim pool
Survivorship.
So a fighter, a World War I fighter plane returns and it's got a bunch of bullet holes in the back section and on the wings.
And they go, wow, look at where it took damage.
We better reinforce that.
You know what they didn't realize?
The ones that never came back, that's where.
kyle seraphin
Took damage somewhere else.
tim pool
Exactly.
And that's where they needed to reinforce it.
And the ones that took damage there, it didn't matter.
And so the funny thing about this app is I'm sitting here thinking like, yo, if some woman dates a guy and then he's like, I ain't dating her.
And he ghosts her.
So then she gives him a bad review.
If you go on the T app, ladies, my advice to you is you want the guys with bad reviews.
Because these are the guys who didn't string along and were not interested in the women.
Right?
kyle seraphin
Why would you want to.
Let's just say that that is an interesting tactic that you could take, but maybe not the only answer.
tim pool
Well, sure, sure.
But my point is.
kyle seraphin
I'm pretty sure that I read some of these.
ian crossland
They're like, the guy was abusive or like the guy with the good reviews is the guy who keeps stringing the women along.
kyle seraphin
I'm tracking.
No, I understand.
No, it's an interesting concept for sure.
tim pool
The guys that get good reviews, the women aren't going to want to stop dating them.
And they're going to be upset when the guy breaks up with them.
So why would they give anyone a good review?
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
I'm imagining that you don't get like a solid review if you date someone for a few minutes and then you're like, this is me.
I'm getting married to this person.
tim pool
No, no, no.
kyle seraphin
It's probably not on the app anymore.
tim pool
Or they might give you the good review is the one the woman dumped.
kyle seraphin
Right.
tim pool
So the women dump a guy and then say, you know, he was really nice.
It's just not what I'm looking for.
Good review.
Then the guy who leaves them, they're like, why is he leaving me?
unidentified
He's such a dick.
tim pool
He's a jerk.
So the bad reviews are the guys they really wanted and the good reviews are the guys they didn't.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Man, if the quality of your character was relevant of how horrible you've treated people in life, that would be.
phil labonte
This app is definitely not about how people are treated.
kyle seraphin
It's all about the gossip circle that is being done in cyberspace.
It's all about how women don't have real friends.
If they had real friends, you wouldn't be on the T app.
You would just talk about pole.
tim pool
Or if they had babies.
kyle seraphin
if they have babies, you don't have time to talk about it either because you're busy dealing with your babies.
tim pool
Talking to your baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
There's a lot of misplaced maternal energy in this.
Sometimes you see it too out there in the world where it's like that thing that you're doing that you are so passionate about, I really wish you were doing it for your child because that's what you're trying to do.
unidentified
Yep.
kyle seraphin
And we're a man-only space in here, so I feel very comfortable saying that.
But like, that actually is a woman-loving position because we're recognizing a discomfort and an unhappiness.
I see a lot of women out there, and I'm like, God, I just wish you had the thing that you want.
phil labonte
Yeah, very good insight.
That is a very good insight.
kyle seraphin
And I was coming from a place of like concern.
tim pool
So I want to explain something to you guys.
When I go places in public, I'm not trying to humble brag or anything, but I get recognized quite a bit.
And so there are some venues I go, the whole staff, I'll go to a restaurant sometimes.
And when they bring my food, like, here you go, Tim.
And I'm like, oh, they didn't say anything.
kyle seraphin
It's weird.
tim pool
When people come up to me on the street and they're like, hey, man, you know, it's like, it's usually guys.
If it's a woman, she's like, my husband's a big fan of yours.
And I watch sometimes.
That's how women act towards my baby.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
tim pool
When my baby, and we're on the street, the women are like, oh my God, it is, I want you to meet your baby.
kyle seraphin
It's like having a puppy, except it's better.
tim pool
It's like having like a celebrity.
You're getting in the elevator and the women are all like looking over and trying to see the baby and they're like, can I talk to you?
kyle seraphin
They'll talk to the baby before they try to do it.
Of course.
tim pool
Like babies are celebrities to women.
And what irks me is that feminists have made that phrase an insult.
It is in no way derogatory or disrespectful to women to say they love babies.
It is magic.
But feminists get offended at the notion that men are like, ah, you love babies.
kyle seraphin
Shut up.
I've been talking about lending my four-year-old out to my buddy who's my age and single because my son is unbelievably cute.
He has this like, I botched his haircut because I'm a terrible haircutter.
You shouldn't let your dads cut it, but like, who cares?
He's like a little kid.
So I cut it really badly.
So now it's growing out.
So he's got like the surfer flow, right?
He's super cute.
He has absolutely no boundaries.
He'll walk up to the prettiest women in like at a park or like at a restaurant.
He'll start talking to them.
He'll touch their legs.
He'll just hang out there.
Like he'll sit on a bench next to them and put his hand on their thigh.
Big man.
It's unbelievable.
And then like, you know, then like my buddy Uncle Carl could run up and be like, hey, what's up, little buddy?
Like, what are you doing?
tim pool
I'm so sorry.
kyle seraphin
Is this your son?
No, this is my, this is my, my, my buddy's son.
tim pool
Babysitting.
I'm so sorry.
kyle seraphin
I'm just being a good uncle.
tim pool
Here I am.
kyle seraphin
I also love kids.
tim pool
I can't wait to have one of my own.
kyle seraphin
It's called Big Daddy.
It is a reason why they made rom-coms out of it because kids are, especially very young, like probably five and under.
Yeah, women fixate on this thing for a reason.
It's like almost like they're a program for that sort of thing.
stephen stamboulieh
The whole feminist movement killed women, I think.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And femininity.
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, absolutely.
stephen stamboulieh
Who in their right mind wants to send their wife to work in a nine to five or eight to five or whatever they are now?
phil labonte
Not me.
stephen stamboulieh
Stay at home, raise your family, and let the husband go to work and make money and take care of everything.
tim pool
Fight bears.
stephen stamboulieh
It's very 195 for it.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, there is the fact that you fight the bear, you raise the baby.
That's the deal.
phil labonte
There is the fact that because of the way that the federal government has treated our monetary policy, it's tough for individual men to make enough money to pay for a family and stuff.
The incentive is all there for women to work so that way the government can tax them as well.
stephen stamboulieh
Sure, please.
So I'm 46.
My first job out of law school, I was making like 35 bucks an hour.
I mean, I was just barely making any money.
Even in Mississippi, that's not enough to live on.
But we sold my truck that I had, went down to one car because couldn't afford to have two.
My wife still stayed at home and, you know, took care of the house.
She was a newly, we were newlyweds, right?
So people can make, you know, make a go at it with less.
It's just that they don't want to.
They want a brand new iPhone and they want nice cars.
Like I drive a 2012 Accord with 250,000 miles on it, but you know, I don't have a car payment.
I don't have a car payment.
So like if I wanted to go buy a new car, I could go buy it, but then I have to pay every month for something.
And then I might have to say, hey, baby, I didn't make enough money this month because of Kyle, right?
kyle seraphin
Because of me, probably.
I'm not sure how I got blamed, but I'm for it.
I'll take the blame.
I'm happy to.
stephen stamboulieh
For some reason.
kyle seraphin
Of course.
stephen stamboulieh
But, you know, and then she'd have to go get a job and go to work.
But people do not want to hear it when you say go down to one car.
And I had my wife take me to work a lot of times as a lawyer after we had my daughter because we couldn't afford a second car at that point.
And it was so important for me to have my wife stay home with my kid, teach her stuff.
I mean, dude, my daughter is 13 years old and speaks Japanese, Arabic, and is taking Mandarin right now.
And she started her.
It's unbelievable.
phil labonte
Homeschool your kids?
stephen stamboulieh
F yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
stephen stamboulieh
F yeah.
unidentified
Awesome.
stephen stamboulieh
I don't know.
Can I say the F word on you?
kyle seraphin
No, just leave it off.
I was turned around.
tim pool
Well, if the kids are watching, you probably don't want to.
stephen stamboulieh
Yeah, it's good enough.
So I mean.
kyle seraphin
Consider what he's saying, though.
You take agency from people when you say the monetary system is set up.
Like, let people be responsible for their decisions.
That's the thing that I think is the most lacking.
That's the most conservative thing you can do is turn around and go, I've made a choice.
And the choice is that I am dealing with those.
And look, the consequences of it is exactly what Stephen just said.
Like, you have less money.
You have less things.
You may have to tighten your belt on it.
Probably everybody here has gone through a short period where you're like, I'm not sure how this is going to work.
And you try to build up that cushion.
That's your job, I think, as a man.
To say that you are like incentivized, yes, but that doesn't mean it's not something you can't overcome.
tim pool
Wouldn't you give it all up for your kids?
kyle seraphin
Oh, that's the other thing.
Men are supposed to be able to do that.
tim pool
And it's crazy that we have this culture of just like me first in the gimme-gimmies.
You know what I mean?
Good man crazier.
kyle seraphin
Elizabeth Warren used to agree with this position that we're having right now.
Do you know that?
phil labonte
Yeah, she used to be a conservative.
kyle seraphin
I don't know that she's conservative.
She was just a reasonable person.
phil labonte
She should know better.
She should know better because she used to teach economics, if I understand correctly.
She used to teach economics.
stephen stamboulieh
In a TP.
kyle seraphin
In a TP.
Right.
With the powder.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
kyle seraphin
She wrote a book that's called The Two Income Trap, and I think it's co-authored by her daughter.
This is from 2002.
Wow.
I think that's the year.
My mother-in-law actually gave me a copy of it.
And you don't have to read the whole book.
You can just read the back and know what it is.
But essentially, when you have two incomes in the household, so Phil, this actually goes to the structural piece you're talking about.
When you have two incomes, everything that has to do with children, Which we were talking about a second ago, gets more expensive.
You're in an arms race with everyone that has two incomes.
So if I'm a one-income, now I'm competing against two for childcare, for public or private schooling, for the select soccer team, for minivans, for housing that's bigger.
So all those things become more expensive.
tim pool
And it drives wages down.
Of course.
kyle seraphin
Because now you have twice as many people in the competition.
tim pool
Yep.
kyle seraphin
Here's the last thing that she actually made, which is a really brilliant point.
When you had single-income households, and I actually think she's right about this, which is weird for me to say because she's Elizabeth Warren.
But when you had single-income households, if the man, the primary income actually failed at some point, the woman could actually pick up the slack and get a temporary job with the skill set that she possessed and actually be a bridge.
Or she could currently be working in a cottage industry and putting stuff away as long as you lived off the one salary.
We got real lazy in this society.
It's happened basically most of my lifetime where we wanted to see both of those salaries go into luxury items and a bunch of like conveniences.
And now everyone acts like you can't do without a bunch of stuff.
Like you actually could do without Netflix and you probably could do without Uber Eats.
stephen stamboulieh
You don't have to have to eat out every night.
kyle seraphin
It's way cheaper.
stephen stamboulieh
I haven't eaten out in probably, I don't know, the last time I traveled, I don't even remember.
kyle seraphin
You haven't eaten in a while too.
stephen stamboulieh
I know.
I've lost a lot of weight.
So yeah.
ian crossland
I noticed that with fast food.
In like 2006 or 7, I saw all the people that were unwilling to stop because of the expense.
It was like same amount of food for like 30 or 40% more.
kyle seraphin
It's way worse than that now, I think, too.
There's a lot of interesting decisions that get made.
I'm seeing it.
tim pool
Here's where it gets crazy.
Let's do this.
Let's jump to the story.
We have this story from CBS News.
U.S. birth rate hits all-time low, according to the CDC.
This is a cascade effect that is going to compound.
And so in the previous segment, we were talking about how double-income households is a trap.
Shout out to Elizabeth Warren, of all people who had been talking about this 20 years ago.
But it basically drives wages down, increased costs.
There's a compounding effect to a declining birth rate that makes birth rates get lower and lower.
And that is, here's a simple explanation.
Why are there no more McDonald's playplaces?
Because people don't have kids.
So McDonald says the amount of money it costs to make a play place is greater than what we will return.
Stop doing it.
Now for the people who have kids, they're going, well, we can no longer go there because we used to go there and the kids would be entertained while we ordered food.
kind of good to a certain extent.
But more importantly, the bigger example is...
It's becoming more and more expensive for baby items, for baby clothes, for high chairs, for rubber baby buggy bumpers, because the less people who have kids.
kyle seraphin
Got to do it in an Arnold voice.
tim pool
Rubble.
kyle seraphin
I can't.
unidentified
Rubble, baby, bubble, bubble.
tim pool
I can't do it.
So what happens is the less people that are buying it, the less volume is sold.
And so the manufacturers increase cost to make up for a loss in volume, meaning that it's becoming exponentially more expensive to buy the items your child needs, which is a prohibitive factor.
So young people say, I can't afford what child needs, so I can't have kids.
Well, then if I don't have kids, there's no demand for the products.
So it gets more expensive.
kyle seraphin
The only way to cheat code that is to keep the stuff and have more kids, and they all use it, which is my tactic.
tim pool
I've got that.
But even in that regard, what's happening now is people, young, so I was talking about, we've been talking about how Gen Z aren't having kids.
We've been talking about how there's no 18-year-olds right now.
So universities are collapsing.
There's a university in Utah that was like 218 years old, went out of business because there's no 18-year-olds to enroll.
kyle seraphin
I love that, by the way.
tim pool
And the reporting was that when the economic crisis happened, nobody was having children.
So they said in 2008, 18 years from now, there will be a shortage of young people entering the workforce.
kyle seraphin
Interesting.
tim pool
I never heard that, but I was one of those young people that was supposed to be starting my family.
So now that I'm reading this news, being like, wow, isn't it funny that there are no 18-year-olds?
Like, oh, it's because I didn't have one.
Why didn't I have one?
I was homeless.
I was 22, 23, and I was sleeping on couches or park benches, and there were no jobs.
And I started playing guitar in the subway to make whatever money I could.
There's no way I was having a family.
stephen stamboulieh
Was this 2008?
tim pool
Yeah.
stephen stamboulieh
Yeah.
That's when I graduated law school in 2007 and got out right as the market crashed and was just screwed.
tim pool
So I remember going to a diner.
I saw a job at on Craigslist for a dishwasher.
And I walked in and the guy in front of me was wearing a suit with a briefcase.
And I heard him hand, as I was waiting to talk to the person at the counter, he hands a resume and he goes, I'm here about the dishwasher position.
And then I turned around and walked out.
And I was like, holy crap.
Although I was told later that was stupid because they probably would rather hire me than a guy in a suit.
kyle seraphin
So here's the thing.
My buddy Steve Friend is in this position right now.
He got kicked out of the bureau.
He's looking around for a job.
He goes and it's like, he's a former cop.
He's a Notre Dame graduate.
He worked as an FBI agent for almost 10 years.
He had a top secret clearance.
He goes and you hand that into like a security position.
They're not going to hire you for that.
Like they're not going to hire you to do security.
They're not going to hire you to manage some, like a grocery store or something.
They're going to be like, dude, you were a freaking FBI agent for a decade.
Like you're going to leave this.
So they won't hire you.
They won't hire the guy with the briefcase to do dishwashing.
I wouldn't.
tim pool
You know what the problem is with, you know why the birthright's declining?
Women.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Well, feminism.
tim pool
Feminism.
But women could decide at any moment to tell men, you ain't getting none.
Like, I want marriage and I want a family.
But I'm being somewhat.
kyle seraphin
I know.
We could go upstream with that and say the dads need to be teaching that too.
tim pool
So I'll say that.
I'm being intentionally inflammatory.
But it is feminism.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
This idea that women can be promiscuous.
There was this article in the New York Times called The Trouble with Wanting Men.
And it starts with a writer for the New York Times being like, I went on a date with a guy.
And then she goes on to describe the date.
Then they went back to his place, had sex.
And then a week later, he says, I'm not interested.
And she's like, men are awful.
And I'm like, or he's thinking, look, I want to find a wife.
And you ain't it.
You a hoe.
You know what I mean?
kyle seraphin
There's this viral video that went out this week.
You probably saw it.
It's a pretty white lady.
She's talking about being 32 years old.
She's been married for a decade.
She's got nothing wrong with her life, but she doesn't know who she is and she hasn't been able to find herself.
And so she wants to leave her husband.
And so he just mapped it out.
You want to play it?
tim pool
Yeah, here we go.
kyle seraphin
It's so unsettling.
unidentified
I told my husband I wanted a divorce.
I walked myself through the logistics of where would I live?
How would we split the time with the kids?
Who gets the dog?
I feel like I have been searching for something in my relationship that we don't have for the whole time we've been married, which has been 10 years.
There is not a single thing about my husband in and of himself that I do not love.
He is the most self-disciplined, loyal, hardworking, good person that you could meet on this planet.
Our relationship and what my expectations are for my marriage and what they always have been are not met.
I can't be myself with my husband.
And it's really confusing because I'm 32 years old.
I am a mom of three and I still don't know who I am.
I told my husband I wanted a divorce.
kyle seraphin
Here's the worst thing in all of that.
She says, I can't be myself around my husband, and I actually don't know who that person is.
Not one thing that I hear was, I have three children.
I have an obligation to provide them a stable home, and that those people are the most important thing, that my entire biological purpose is geared towards rearing them and making them successful humans.
How about you never said it?
tim pool
How about this bait?
unidentified
Tell me why.
Every day I go out looking adorable, tits bouncing, skin glistening, and yet nobody ever hits on me or approaches me.
Ever.
tim pool
Feminism?
kyle seraphin
It's the red hair.
unidentified
I was going to say.
Please.
tim pool
It's feminism.
kyle seraphin
She looks crazy.
tim pool
You know what's funny?
Remember 10 years ago when a woman couldn't walk down the street in New York without getting cat called?
phil labonte
Right.
tim pool
Well, they turned that off.
They said, guys, stop.
phil labonte
I tweeted about this today.
Women will ask for something and then they will be miserable when they get it.
It's like you're dealing with children.
Honestly.
It really is.
tim pool
So that's why they said women and children first.
phil labonte
That's right.
Because if you tried to, if the men got out of there, the women and children would all die, obviously.
But it's true.
unidentified
I mean, if you had a generation.
kyle seraphin
We're all getting canceled for this.
phil labonte
I've been canceled so many times.
You had a generation of women that were just complaining about men all the time, saying men are so terrible.
And you still hear them complain about it.
And so men have said, well, okay, then I don't want to talk to you.
Then I'm not going to go hang out with you.
I don't want to, you know, it's like you've got tattoos.
You're probably a progressive woman.
I don't want to talk to you.
You hang out in these areas.
You're probably this kind of woman.
I don't want to talk to you.
kyle seraphin
What are you talking about?
Like, look at the things that she thinks that made her desirable.
phil labonte
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
Which takes bouncing.
phil labonte
Right.
kyle seraphin
She's like, oh, look, you see me as a sexual object.
Here I am, a sexual object.
And none of it was like, I'm a really nice person.
I'm super fun to hang out with.
Like, I'm really loyal.
stephen stamboulieh
It's probably not.
tim pool
I want to stress this point.
I do believe there's a factor in younger guys that are moving to the right.
And they look at a woman like this and they think, she's liberal.
I can't have a family with her.
She's probably a feminist.
And she looks like she's promiscuous.
I want a woman who's going to be loyal, faithful, and not just sexually liberal.
kyle seraphin
I mean, quitter attitude, though, to be fair.
That's a quitter attitude.
phil labonte
There was a long time where I was, you know, I was single.
I didn't date anyone.
And I was probably single for like two or three years because I didn't meet a woman that was the type of woman that I wanted to date.
Right.
And it's like some dudes are just like, well, I'll go ahead and date whoever.
But those dudes are becoming fewer and fewer.
And I met my girlfriend last year and we're super happy and she's great, but she wants to be a stay-at-home mom and she doesn't consider herself a feminist and she's not a progressive.
And so she checked all the boxes that I was looking for.
kyle seraphin
There's more and more liability too, probably going out there.
If you're just going to be jumping from relationship to relationship or fling to fling in an internet world, in a world of you're immediately assumed to be the aggressor and all kinds of the sort of default positions against you.
That sounds like I absolutely have so much pity for young men right now that are in this thing and young women too, because they're going to have terrible affluence.
Look, I've got three daughters and one son.
So I can see both of them growing up.
And I look around at what's out there when we go to our community pool, when we walk through the grocery store, and I'm like, God bless it.
Go to church.
You want to go see some wholesome looking people?
Go to a freaking traditional Latin Mass.
We went and started doing that down at the cathedral in downtown Austin.
And you're going to see a totally different caliber of human being.
They may not always be the most attractive, but the other thing is this, and you tell me this, because this is going to be in your world pretty soon.
How many of you guys actually remember being taught what the purpose of dating was?
Or did you figure it out as an adult?
tim pool
But what do you mean the purpose of dating?
kyle seraphin
What is the checklist that you were, what are you trying to accomplish?
Like, what are you looking for?
And how do you assess whether that thing is a win or not?
It's not a T-app, but how do you know, like, what am I looking for for compatibility?
Am I looking for attractiveness?
tim pool
There's an important point in this in that dating, when I was growing up and I would watch these movies, going steady, dating meant you could be dating 10 guys.
kyle seraphin
Correct?
tim pool
They would come to your house, you'd go see a movie, and then you'd watch the movie, share popcorn, and he'd be a gentleman and walk you back to your door.
The next day, you'd go on a date with a different guy.
Then once you figured out that you really liked one of those guys, the woman would go steady.
kyle seraphin
And that would be the Letterman jacket involved in that, maybe.
tim pool
And they'd be like, wow, you're going steady?
Meaning you're no longer dating.
You're now in a, you're going steady.
And that's moving towards proposal, then engagement, and then marriage by 20 years old.
phil labonte
That was one of the conversations that I had with Sarah.
I was like, look, you know, if I'm going to date someone, I'm dating with intent.
The intent is to have a family, to get married, and those kind of things.
If that's not something you're into, I'm not the guy for you.
And that was a conversation.
And before we were even really dating, but you figured that out as an adult.
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
And my point to you is that I don't think that we're teaching young men.
I don't think we're teaching young women as a society that there is actually a reason for that.
phil labonte
Who is teaching young men?
unidentified
Right.
phil labonte
Well, women.
kyle seraphin
And what is that?
Because they're saying what they want.
phil labonte
Single women, single mothers, and female teachers are teaching young men.
And this is a meme now, but if there's a problem with young men, it is because of women.
tim pool
And wait, there's more.
Most journalists are female.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
And most female journalists are single, unmarried, and living in New York.
phil labonte
100%.
tate brown
Yeah, like I'm 24, and I started seriously dating recently.
I have no idea what I'm doing.
tim pool
Go to church.
kyle seraphin
But listen.
I go to church every week.
tate brown
That's a very salient question.
tim pool
What if churches all do?
unidentified
Did you just say?
tate brown
Yeah, it's bad, dude.
tim pool
So one woman walks in and they all tackle her.
tate brown
Basically, yeah.
kyle seraphin
But you also have to, yeah, so it's go to church as a place to meet people, right?
It used to be friend groups.
That's how you meet people.
That's how I met my wife was through friends.
But having a rubric to actually evaluate.
So, okay, you Say, I want a family, but what does that look like?
It's like we have to share values, we have to share a view of the future, and we have to be willing to like make that other person's view of the future our own.
If you're not into that, if you don't have those things going, if you can't assess those things, then you don't even know what you're asking.
You're going out there, and like I said, like, I'll remember, I was a kid in the 80s.
Your girlfriend was like the prettiest girl that would willingly spend time with you.
That's what a girlfriend was about.
Am I wrong?
It was like, who's pretty?
Is someone prettier than that person?
Like, that's not a good criteria when it comes to matching and having a financial future and having a family and raising children in a view.
tim pool
And the problem right now is it used to be throughout all of human history that a young boy and young girl grew up in the same place or similar place.
They had very similar jobs.
A guy meets a woman.
What do you do?
I work with my mom and take care of the farm animals.
I churn the butter.
Oh, my mom did that.
My sister does that.
That's what I'm looking for.
What do you do?
I chop lumber.
I chop wood and start fires and go hunting.
It's like, that's what my dad did.
My brothers do.
I'm looking for that.
Now, a dude from New York who is an accountant and went to school hoping to be a lawyer, but never finished and just fizzled out.
kyle seraphin
Feels very specific.
tim pool
Meets a woman who is from California, who used to surf all the time.
And they're like, maybe this will work.
And it's like, dude, you guys could not be more different.
kyle seraphin
But if you had, so yeah, you know, the backstory is part of it.
But again, if they shared the same values, if they shared the same sort of view of the future, then that maybe works.
But if they don't have that, if she comes from a different type of family that doesn't actually see that as a value, or maybe he doesn't know that's what he wants or any of the, we're not training our children.
And I think.
tim pool
But I'm describing urban society because if you live in a rural area, you are still more likely to have a similar life to the average human.
You live in a rural area, probably got backyard chickens, probably still taking care of animals, probably still chopping wood, probably still going to church.
You live in these cities and you could live one block away from someone and you're a metalhead who works at an accounting firm and you meet a chick who is a, you know, she's a teacher who studied feminist dance and you're like, I went on a date.
I met a chick on Tinder.
She was pretty, but holy crap, did we not get along?
kyle seraphin
Right.
tim pool
Now, if you live in West Virginia, you're going to have a lot of similarities in the places you go, the things you see and the traditional values.
This is one of the biggest barriers, I think, to young people right now getting married is how different everyone's become because of the internet, largely.
kyle seraphin
I think that living in cities is probably one of the, like everyone tends to go do that when they're younger.
They think that's where the action is, so they go.
But I've got a sister who's just a couple of years younger than me.
She's single.
She lives in New York City.
She makes really good money.
She thinks that's really important.
And I was trying to, at one point, I tried to give her this like advice, which, you know, good big brother advice goes.
But I was like, dude, go down to the bar where the firefighters hang out.
Ask one of them, are one of your friends single?
And can I take him on a date?
Like, go meet a man who's masculine.
Because what you described too is a testosterone differential, too, because testosterone is necessary for certain things.
And it certainly goes away in a lot of the urban core.
It doesn't mean there's not dudes that are not masculine, but at the end of the day, it's such a, it's, I can't go into a city anymore and look around and go like, oh yeah, this is good.
I look around and I see threats to my babies.
I mean, that's what I see.
I'm like, I might have to kill that crackhead.
I may have to go and fight this dude.
Like, I don't know what's happening here.
I don't understand like all the dynamics of it.
There's people driving recklessly.
There's people that are drinking in the middle of the day.
tim pool
Explain it to Ian.
kyle seraphin
Oh, my God.
tim pool
He sees a health bar and a level number and sometimes a skull next to everyone's heads.
kyle seraphin
And I have a bunch of them that I'm responsible for.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And those are green, and the bad guys are red.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
Potentially.
tim pool
He sees green bars over.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, safe zones to go there.
Oh, safe zones are outlined.
Yeah, for sure.
ian crossland
Like threat zones.
Do you see threat zones?
kyle seraphin
Yeah, and here's the thing.
ian crossland
I want to get there.
kyle seraphin
I drive a big old truck right now, which I'm pretty thrilled about.
And my wife and I were talking about our minivan.
And I was like, do you want like an A-team van with a huge pushbar in front of it?
Because that's what I think is safe.
tim pool
I'll catch you.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
I want to throw people out of the way.
tim pool
Have you seen the, there's that meme where it's like what a man is thinking walking through a mall with his girlfriend.
And he's like, I got an exit behind me.
I got two exits in front of me.
There's stairs to my left.
That man in front of me looks like he might be reaching for something.
And then it shows the wind.
kyle seraphin
She goes, There's another one where they played Gwen Stefani.
I'm just a girl in the world.
It's the same sort of attitude, though.
phil labonte
They want to have to think about it.
They want to rely on you.
tim pool
Listen, I was.
kyle seraphin
That's fine because that's what, if you sign up for them, that's what you want.
tim pool
That's what my dad would do because he was a Marine and a firefighter.
Whenever we'd go somewhere, he'd be like, where are your exits?
And then I'd look around and he'd be like, always know your exits are.
kyle seraphin
It's just teaching you situational awareness, which is what young men need to do.
And then here's the other thing, which is something I've been teaching my kiddos.
It's like when I say we're moving, we're leaving.
If I tell my wife that, you cannot freeze.
You got to go.
You don't have to know what happens next.
You have to be able to go with me if I tell you there's danger.
We're leaving.
stephen stamboulieh
I was in Athens with my wife and daughter, and we were living in Athens for a little bit, and we were walking through like the square, right?
Athens people protest all the time, Athens, Greece.
They protest nonstop.
And so all of a sudden we see these incoming rounds of like tear gas hitting and exploding and everything's going on.
And I pick my daughter up and start carrying her away.
What does my wife do?
She gets out her cell phone, starts recording.
She stands right here and just like is filming.
I've got the video, dude.
I'll have to share it with you.
I'm like, what are you doing?
kyle seraphin
Like, that's terrifying.
stephen stamboulieh
Let's go.
Let's go.
kyle seraphin
How many people have just completely lost survival instincts, though?
And that's where they go.
They go straight to the phone.
They walk around.
I watched somebody get run over by a freaking earth mover the other day.
Did you see this in like New York City?
Like, she got thumped by the by the bucket and then she got run over because she was looking at a text message.
Like it can't be that important when you're doing it.
ian crossland
Walking while she was doing it.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, dude.
ian crossland
Stand still while you're looking at your phone in the city.
kyle seraphin
Find a thing and put your back to it.
ian crossland
Back against the wall.
kyle seraphin
Stand still.
It's such an unnatural and illogical thing for human beings to do in a high threat environment where there's like other people, there's moving objects, there's all this other, like all these things could happen.
There's holes, there's manholes that are not well secured, and you're just going to walk around and put your face into this thing.
My nightmare is when I don't know where I'm going in an urban area and I have to look at my phone for like directions.
It's GPSing me.
And I'm like, oh, God, I hate breaking focus and looking down at that thing because I'm literally all entrenched against the building to do it.
ian crossland
And like down and up like I'm driving the threats.
There's potential threats coming at me.
tim pool
We just bought a bunch of those anti-choke devices for babies.
kyle seraphin
Explain what that is.
I don't know.
tim pool
It's a mask you put over the baby.
You squeeze it and put over and then like you, when you squeeze it, it sucks.
So if the baby's choking, something's a suction device.
Yeah, because baby is at the point where she's just jamming anything she can find in her mouth.
kyle seraphin
The best.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
I still remember how a lot of strange both hands.
kyle seraphin
Especially when you like look over and you're like, you're like, oh, okay, it's good.
And then you look over and it's like your child is ingesting like a quarter for some reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
And you're thinking, like, what would make you do that?
I've literally told my kids, you know, I've watched a couple of them go through that phase.
And it's like, hey, take that out of your mouth.
And they're like, got it.
You mean permanently?
Because I'm about to go eat it right now again as soon as you walk away.
phil labonte
Permanently?
kyle seraphin
You should have taken that from me.
You knew better.
phil labonte
Yes.
kyle seraphin
That's your fault, Dad.
phil labonte
That's funny.
But yeah, I mean, the babies just shove stuff in their mouths.
That's what they do.
kyle seraphin
That's what babies did.
tim pool
Like, baby proofing is serious business.
kyle seraphin
I had a sibling, and I can't remember which one it was.
This is the 80s thing.
We used to put out snail pellets in California.
unidentified
What?
kyle seraphin
Snail pellets are these like compressed things.
They look like the food that you'd give to like goats, right?
So they're like a little pill-shaped thing.
And for some reason, they kill snails.
I don't exactly know how they work.
It's magic.
Yeah.
They just throw them out there and then the snails would not eat like your roses or whatever.
And I remember coming out and one of my parents lost their minds because one of my little siblings, one of my little brothers, was like walking through and he was just eating the snail pellets, just pulling them right out of the rose planter.
And you're looking over and they're just eating, you know, maybe it was just salt.
Maybe it wasn't toxic.
Or maybe it was really toxic and that's why they're like that.
He's a lawyer now.
unidentified
So it is metaldehyde.
kyle seraphin
Is that what it is?
You're looking it up.
tim pool
Highly toxic.
Iron phosphate.
kyle seraphin
It couldn't have tasted good either.
tim pool
If it's iron phosphate, it's safer for pets in the environment.
kyle seraphin
Okay.
They were red, so probably iron phosphate sounds good.
tim pool
That makes sense.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
Still not great.
Probably not the thing you should be eating.
It's like the same thing as looking down and seeing kids like eating.
We had a little brother maybe of one of my buddies that was eating rabbit pellets, you know, like turds.
tim pool
Gross.
kyle seraphin
And he thought they were chocolates.
He just saw them on the ground.
They look a lot like chocolates.
phil labonte
He couldn't tell by the taste.
kyle seraphin
He was like a two-year-old.
He was in that phase where he just eats dinner.
tim pool
You do know that rabbits actually have two different types of things that come out of their butts.
kyle seraphin
I did not know this.
tim pool
One is actually food for the rabbit and one is waste.
Because rabbits eat grass and grass is hard to digest.
kyle seraphin
Sure.
tim pool
So I know this because we had a couple pet rabbits.
They eat the grass and then it goes to their system.
They crap it out and it is still grass.
They turn around and eat it.
kyle seraphin
Got it.
It's like a second pass through the metabolism.
tim pool
Yep.
kyle seraphin
Phil told me he gets to tend the rabbits.
Is that sure?
phil labonte
Pardon me?
kyle seraphin
You get to tend the rabbits?
phil labonte
I told you no such thing.
kyle seraphin
You said you get to tend the rabbits.
phil labonte
Never said that.
He's like, nothing like that at all.
I don't know why you're trying to throw me under the bus.
kyle seraphin
I'm just giving you a mice and men reference.
I was thought you were the one who was.
phil labonte
Mice and men?
tim pool
It's called cecotrope.
It's soft, nutrient-rich droppings they produce from their cecum.
kyle seraphin
You get to tend the rabbits.
tim pool
They're small, shiny clusters like grapes.
ian crossland
Yeah, they are shiny.
tim pool
And they eat it directly out of their anus.
kyle seraphin
The shiny ones are the eaten.
ian crossland
They go right for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
The shiny ones you can eat.
tim pool
It says rabbits eat psychotropes directly from their anus, usually at night or early morning.
kyle seraphin
I often put it in the comments if they've eaten them.
tim pool
It's called coprophagy.
Coprophagy.
Coprophagy.
ian crossland
That's the act of eating it out of the anus.
tim pool
They re-digest the nutrients and B vitamins and aminos that weren't absorbed the first time.
stephen stamboulieh
That's the act of eating poop.
ian crossland
Oh, what's it called?
The active eating poop.
Now I've got to memorize it.
kyle seraphin
I'm really upset with you for now.
tim pool
Coprophagy.
ian crossland
Coprophagy.
stephen stamboulieh
It's clumsy for the word.
kyle seraphin
Coprophagy.
stephen stamboulieh
Corrada.
ian crossland
Corada.
What's that?
stephen stamboulieh
Poop.
ian crossland
Oh, oh, okay.
unidentified
Is it?
stephen stamboulieh
Yeah, it really is.
kyle seraphin
I believe you because you're a convincing liar, too.
tim pool
Yes, coprophagy is the act of eating feces and is normal in many mammals.
ian crossland
Oh.
tim pool
Rabbits, rodents, dogs.
stephen stamboulieh
Democrats.
ian crossland
Yeah, they did it when the settlers were settling in the United States.
They had a bad winter or a series of bad winters and they were calling it the second harvest where they would reuse the feces for the seeds.
They'd get some more nutrition out of the seeds.
Starvation Against.
tim pool
There was that one guy who was always drinking his own piss.
unidentified
Who?
stephen stamboulieh
Bear Grill.
unidentified
Bear Grills.
tim pool
Is that true?
Was he always doing that?
kyle seraphin
No, he was actually staying at a Hilton that night.
ian crossland
Oh, that was definitely what he was doing.
tim pool
I didn't know if they made that up.
kyle seraphin
And I think he's a legit badass, so less to be thought of otherwise.
I think Bear Grills was a legit badass and whether he stayed in the place and was like, I'm really thirsty right now, so I'm going to be drinking my own urine.
You're like, no, I don't think you're actually doing that.
I think that's Gatorade.
tim pool
Yes, Bear Grylls has drunk his own urine on camera during his shows.
kyle seraphin
Nobody believes that.
tim pool
In one episode, purportedly set in the Australian Outback, he drank from a bottle of his urine when no safer hydration source was available.
ian crossland
I got to go to the bathroom all this talking.
stephen stamboulieh
Don't forget your bottle.
tim pool
No one trusts Ian is doing something.
ian crossland
Think about Bear Grylls.
kyle seraphin
I'm pretty excited.
phil labonte
Man.
stephen stamboulieh
Hey, let me tell you something about this chick that's on the screen right now.
She's complaining that no one's talking to her, but as soon as someone starts aggressively talking to her or cat calling, whatever, she's going to start complaining.
tim pool
Everybody knows the meme where the suave looking guy in the suit says, hey, darn looking good.
And she goes, oh, thank you.
Then the fat guy with the glasses goes, looking good.
And she goes, help, HR.
kyle seraphin
That's right.
tim pool
There was a funny meme about two attractive people were kissing in a park and the woman had her leg up and everyone's going, oh.
And then it was two old, morbidly obese people doing it and everyone's yelling like, get out of here, get a room.
kyle seraphin
I feel that way about both of them.
But that's just because I'm.
stephen stamboulieh
It's less offensive for the first group.
kyle seraphin
It is less offensive if they're attractive.
Yeah, you do get a pass if you attract.
tim pool
People pay to see it.
They'll go to the movies and watch sexy celebrities.
kyle seraphin
Mostly women will pay for that and drag men along with it.
tim pool
I want to pull this up.
I want to pull this up.
phil labonte
Pretty privilege is real.
kyle seraphin
It is real.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
If you're an attractive person, you can get away with a lot more.
kyle seraphin
There's been studies, too, that have actually shown that people attribute more intelligence than more attractive people are.
So we get like some of these news types that are out there and they have a relatively attractive face and they get credit for being smarter.
When we listen to them, we know that they're not.
tim pool
Here's a story from CNBC.
kyle seraphin
I saw that.
tim pool
Sydney Sweeney Sparks' latest meme stock rally is American Eagle Jumps because she's hot and she has big boobs.
And anybody who ever came to you at a corporate, at any kind of corporation or marketing firm and said, you want to do morbidly obese, ugly people.
Idiots.
They were taking you for a ride.
kyle seraphin
It's so strange that that was the thing for a period of time.
unidentified
And then it's like a dove commercial that we've seen.
tim pool
My favorite thing about this is that there's some marketing guy who goes, I've got an idea.
Just hear me out.
Big boobs.
And they went, oh, that's so crazy.
phil labonte
It might work.
tim pool
And then they did.
kyle seraphin
Put her in ugly mom jeans and put her in front of a classic Ford Mustang.
Let's see if that gets some testosterone.
phil labonte
Inspirational.
We talked about this on PCC multiple times.
Like, the idea of showing your product on an unattractive person or with an unattractive person is totally counter to what you're trying to do.
You're trying to get people to associate your product with positive thoughts.
stephen stamboulieh
Jaguar.
phil labonte
I mean, yeah, Jaguar was bad.
The one that really sticks out was Calvin Klein.
They had two just atrociously obese people, and a man was wearing a bra.
It was a man, and he was wearing a bra because he was so fat.
And it's like, like I said on PCC, it's like we need to bring back aspirational in advertising, but not only in advertising.
kyle seraphin
Less face piercings.
phil labonte
Yes, definitely.
tim pool
This is the commercial in question.
phil labonte
I love it.
kyle seraphin
Sold.
I'll take the car.
unidentified
Yep.
kyle seraphin
That's a little on the nose, isn't it?
tim pool
It is.
kyle seraphin
Does she really?
tim pool
Oh, wait, listen, listen.
Is she going to fire it up?
Just listen.
Now it's not going to play.
kyle seraphin
I like that.
I got to refresh my favorite part is that it stalled.
The computer needed a minute.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Now just listen.
unidentified
Siddharth Tweeny has great canes.
tim pool
She has great jeans.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
tim pool
They show her leaning over the hood of a car with their boobs sticking out.
Then she smacks her own ass and their stock is going up.
kyle seraphin
Who did it better, though?
Her or Megan Fox in Transformers?
phil labonte
Well, that was 25 years ago or whatever.
kyle seraphin
Talking 25 years ago, Megan Fox.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know that I have a preference.
They're both so attractive.
ian crossland
Female mechanic.
kyle seraphin
They're buying whatever they're selling either way.
unidentified
Absolutely.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
Yeah, the sound of the ASMR kind of thing that they're doing on that is a little, like I said, that's a little on the nose.
tim pool
I was very funny that the director of the thing was like, okay, Sydney, we're going to need you to lean over.
We want to see your boobs.
And then when you get up, rub your butt.
We're going to film it all.
kyle seraphin
How should it be?
They're like, try to make it look like you're smoothing the wrinkles on these mom jeans that are actually not a particularly attractive fit.
But no matter what she wears, she's going to be fine in it.
But yeah, but it's aspirational.
Everyone says, oh, I could either buy those jeans for my gal and she'll look like that.
Or maybe I'll have a gal like that in a car like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like the old beer commercials, remember?
All the sexy ladies in bikinis drinking beer at the pool and the big fat guys were like, yeah, in the 90s.
kyle seraphin
You would crack a beer and see that.
They would like transform like whole scenes.
phil labonte
In the 90s, it was Spuds McKinsey surrounded by attractive women, like a dog and attractive women.
You can't get any more convincing than that.
Everyone loves dogs.
Everyone loves attractive women.
ian crossland
I wonder where do you draw the line with using sex to sell, just using sex.
You know, being in the entertainment in Hollywood, I lived out there for 18 is where you draw the line.
kyle seraphin
I knew you were going to say that.
phil labonte
I was trying so hard.
ian crossland
At what point is like an ad rep?
Do I go, well, or like making a movie, like how much sex do we put in the movie?
Because it will sell more tickets.
phil labonte
Well, so if you're talking about what actual sex are you talking about just attracting people, selling sex.
ian crossland
Sex.
tim pool
You're right.
Just all of it.
You show it.
ian crossland
I mean, I almost did Naked Yoga.
I'm like, that series would kick ass.
kyle seraphin
Just put Antonio Mendez in it and it sells.
ian crossland
Sex, man.
kyle seraphin
Just his voice is enough for them.
phil labonte
Say it one more time.
unidentified
Sex.
tim pool
Sexual shit.
You know what?
The MCU is failing.
I bet they could bring it back if they just have more Scarlett Johansson in skin-tight black suits.
kyle seraphin
She had to get out.
kicking people's asses because that's actually a little hard for me to watch.
All I got to say is...
tim pool
I do think, and this is not a joke, that there is a correlation between in the beginning of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they have sexy Scarlett Johansson.
And I mean literally, they dressed her up in sexy clothes, skin-type all-black.
And then later on, they had girl boss no-butt Brie Larson, you know, conquering her emotions.
ian crossland
Even the way they're drawn is super sexy in like the 90s comics.
kyle seraphin
She went from being like basically the fetish model to like a girl who's going to be lecturing you like in an HR situation.
tim pool
And then the Marvels, they were like, nah, we don't want like Phil saying aspirational women who are attractive.
We want frumpy women, you know, that nobody wants to watch.
And then guess what happened?
All those movies failed.
kyle seraphin
That's why the Ghostbusters lady reboot was so successful.
unidentified
Oh, God.
tim pool
And you know what else bothers me?
unidentified
It's ruined.
tim pool
Is they ruined Ant-Man.
How?
So the first Ant-Man people liked, and it was like, it was okay.
kyle seraphin
It was clever.
tim pool
It made money.
Then they said they wanted to replace Paul Rudd with Evangeline Lily and have Wasp be the principal character.
Nobody wanted to see her.
And no beef to Evangeline Lily.
I think she's great in those films, but it's Ant-Man.
If you want to make a WASP movie, make a Wasp movie.
The problem is no one's going to see it.
So then they put her on the cover of the second movie.
She's in the front, in the foreground.
He's in the background.
And it's Ant-Man and the Wasp.
And it did worse.
And then the third one, Quantumania, was considered to be a failure.
kyle seraphin
You know, when you see women stepping into men's spaces, it's not surprising that men's have decided to return the favor in the last couple years.
It's weird to watch it.
My wife pointed this out to me.
She was like, women went to men's spaces first.
And the fact that now you've got the problem of bathrooms and all the other questions that was literally adjudicated with the last election and you see executive orders coming out of the White House trying to straighten some of that out.
It's like, yeah, this is a problem that was really predictable.
It started a while ago and it's just been going.
It's been on its own steam.
You look like that made you uncomfortable.
ian crossland
I was thinking about the culture war coming up tomorrow, whether or not I'm going to go.
I'm like, I have things, I got to go do things.
kyle seraphin
What is your spirit that's controlling you say?
ian crossland
Go do it.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
stephen stamboulieh
And go do it.
ian crossland
And then, but if sometimes the spirit's like, go in that cave where all those hobgoblins are.
I'm like, there's hobgoblins in there.
I don't want to go in there.
And it's like, and I'm like, would you go in there, spirit, if you had a body?
And he's like, well, no, but you're my creature that I get to move around.
So go in there.
kyle seraphin
So go in there.
stephen stamboulieh
You have to.
kyle seraphin
You have to do what your purpose is.
stephen stamboulieh
You pretty much have to.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
ian crossland
Cool.
kyle seraphin
As much as I can expand myself into that.
ian crossland
I'll talk more about sexuality and entertainment and having a wife and like, what's the purpose of it all, dude?
Like, reproduction.
Isn't that the purpose?
And what that means you make videos of yourself or you have kids.
They're both a form of reproduction.
kyle seraphin
They're not the same.
unidentified
No, I promise.
ian crossland
Not the same, but both forms of reproduction.
phil labonte
No.
kyle seraphin
They're just not the same.
ian crossland
You can't just say, I mean, no reason to say no to it.
It's a truth.
They're both forms of reproduction.
tim pool
It's not a truth.
ian crossland
I mean, if you think having a kid is a type of reproduction, which technically it's not, because it's a type of pro-creation, pro-production.
kyle seraphin
Pro-creation.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Recordings are facsimiles.
You've not reproduced anything.
You've created a fake and you've preserved it.
ian crossland
You've recreated it.
over and over and over again, a replication.
stephen stamboulieh
It doesn't do anything.
kyle seraphin
Did you ever see the movie Multiplicity?
Because that turned out that it's not really good to keep doing that.
Eventually, you end up with a guy who's got a cognitive deficit.
unidentified
Hey, Steve.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
kyle seraphin
It turns out we've got to be able to do it.
Have you not seen this?
ian crossland
No, I looked off.
kyle seraphin
Michael Keaton is one of my favorites always because he's played really dark and he's also like a pretty good comedian.
He did freaking Beetlejuice.
phil labonte
Hey, Steve.
ian crossland
Sorry, Tim, were you?
kyle seraphin
Licking the glue and stuff.
unidentified
He's just licking the pizza and slapping it on his face.
I can't even leave you alone for a minute.
You just...
One, two, three, four.
tim pool
Doug, if I might.
ian crossland
Yeah, one of those clones is something I said in 2007.
The video's still online.
I don't believe what it said, though.
unidentified
Three.
Four.
Twelve.
tim pool
Doug, I'd like you to read four.
unidentified
It's so good.
I can't give it to me.
I like to have a car.
I got a wallet.
Come here.
Come here.
Where did he come from?
kyle seraphin
He's going to help us out around here a little bit.
unidentified
Just do the day-to-day stuff.
Clean the house and mow the lawn, take out trash, all the bullshit.
We don't have time to do that.
Forget that!
kyle seraphin
Forget that!
unidentified
What the hell's wrong with him?
Nothing.
Um.
ian crossland
You know, nothing really wrong.
unidentified
You know, he's...
He's fine.
Yeah, he's special, alright.
Doug, see, what we did was, we made a copy from two.
And you know, sometimes you make a copy of a copy, it's not quite as sharp as, well, the original.
Well, that's kind of what happened.
Leeds loved it.
He loved it because he's, you know, we get it, we get it.
ian crossland
Jack Nicholson, man.
kyle seraphin
It's not the same.
phil labonte
That's not Jack Nicholson.
ian crossland
No, but they served together in Batman, the first movie.
kyle seraphin
Did you say they served together?
ian crossland
They did, yes.
kyle seraphin
That might be your best line that I've ever heard you drop.
unidentified
That was emulating Nicholson.
tim pool
Ian really overvalues his job.
ian crossland
Entertainment, the storytellers of reality, man, in some ways.
Recreation.
They call it recreation.
tim pool
That's how I see that.
I saw Forrest Quaker.
Why was that for your service?
kyle seraphin
That was fantastic right there.
And it's also true.
Together in Batman, I will never not say it that way.
I am now going to refer to all actors that were in the same movie as people who serve together in a movie.
You forever.
Listen, there's sometimes like people say something and I just want it forever.
I had a buddy one time who was screwing with me.
We were doing the FBI Academy thing.
And now I say this all the time.
I can't help it.
And it's like in normal stuff.
We were doing these gun disarm drills.
Phil, you ever done gun disarms where you try to take the gun from somebody like in martial arts?
It's stupid.
It's really a good way to get killed.
unidentified
Yep.
kyle seraphin
So we're standing there.
We're doing these gun disarms.
And they're like, guys, engage the subject.
He's got a gun on you.
You got to get him distracted.
Like, have him look you in the eye and ask him questions.
Like, hey, are you looking for my wallet or whatever?
So that's, they're supposed to engage you.
So my buddy, I turn, I hold the gun and I'm like, give me your wallet or whatever the stupid thing we're supposed to do.
And he turns and he looks at me dead in the eyes and he goes, are you from Chinese?
And I fell out laughing.
And of course, he does like the gun disarm, slap me in the head or whatever.
And I'm giggling like an idiot.
And they like came over and they yelled at me.
So now whenever, you know, like I'll buy something, my wife will be like, hey, what is that?
I'm like, I don't know.
It's just like this, it's a product.
It's just from Chinese.
And she was like, I hate Chinese or whatever.
It'll just be that.
We say it now.
I never say from China anymore.
I only say from Chinese.
phil labonte
And I'm only going to say they serve together.
kyle seraphin
Serve together in Batman.
phil labonte
Served together.
tim pool
Keep together in Batman.
kyle seraphin
Like, I'm going to take that as a treasure for a long time.
You don't have no idea.
phil labonte
Man.
So you mean they were in the Batman movie.
ian crossland
Yeah, they served together.
They served together on the front lines.
They were both the leads in Batman.
You might know Michael.
phil labonte
The front lines have got them.
tim pool
It's really funny because it's just like for no reason he brings up Jack Nicholson.
We're like, what?
phil labonte
Randomly.
ian crossland
Keaton was emulating Nicholson in that clip.
At the very end, he really took on Nicholson's mannerisms.
He must have affected working with one.
kyle seraphin
The part where he was like jumping on the bed?
ian crossland
No, no, no, no.
At the very end of the clip, his eyebrows, because Michael Keaton's got those communicative eyebrows.
kyle seraphin
I think he was actually channeling Michael Keaton from Bacman.
ian crossland
Nicholson might have been channeling Keaton, too.
You never know how that movie changed.
kyle seraphin
Almost like reproduction, that they're just bouncing it off.
Like a face-off.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like Having watched clips from that about a week ago.
stephen stamboulieh
Nice.
I knew that.
Just face off.
tim pool
Didn't Danny DeVito also serve with Jack Nicholson?
ian crossland
One flew over the cuckoo's nest.
DeVito, was he in that?
tim pool
Pretty sure Danny DeVito was in that.
stephen stamboulieh
In what?
tim pool
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think you might be right.
And Christopher Lloyd was in that movie.
kyle seraphin
Oh, he served.
tim pool
Yeah, Danny DeVito.
kyle seraphin
He served with Michael J. Fox in the series.
ian crossland
They had three tours.
kyle seraphin
Three tours.
ian crossland
Back to the Futures.
kyle seraphin
Three tours in the Back to the Future series.
I'm only going to be talking about it that way from here on out.
That was a special gift.
ian crossland
Man, if you've ever done a movie too, and it goes on for four months of like 12, 14 hour days, it feels like a form of service sometimes.
If you're getting paid, it's a nice.
tim pool
Is he still doing movies?
He's still around.
kyle seraphin
What is the antecedent of he.
tim pool
Nicholson.
kyle seraphin
Nicholson.
tim pool
I'm going to see what he's up to.
unidentified
I don't know if he's doing...
ian crossland
I think how sad it was to me.
kyle seraphin
He just walked into the weeds.
ian crossland
No, I just don't think he's doing a lot.
phil labonte
I don't think he's doing much either.
I think he's at the age where he stopped kind of being out in public.
ian crossland
I was thinking about Bruce Willis and then Ozzy Osborne.
phil labonte
Bruce Willis is like 70, but because of his condition, he doesn't really remember his previous life and stuff.
kyle seraphin
It's so awful.
ian crossland
The impact that that generation had on our culture and how now they're like 90, 80.
tim pool
Oh, well, he actually just appeared on SNL.
Yeah, and then 10 years before that was SNL.
He hasn't done anything since 2010.
kyle seraphin
Well, the thing is, is nobody's seen that because people don't watch SNL.
tim pool
That's true.
They don't.
unidentified
Yeah, they don't.
tim pool
Man, his first role was in 1958.
unidentified
What was his first role?
kyle seraphin
Who was he serving with?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Jimmy Wallace and the Crybaby Killer.
ian crossland
Yo, wow.
tim pool
He served with Harry Laughter and Carolyn Mitchell.
ian crossland
I wonder what kind of action they saw.
I don't want to take away from the value of combat.
kyle seraphin
You know, I'm not, I don't want to make a joke about you're not hurting anybody's feelings, I promise you.
That is fantastic stuff.
unidentified
Yes.
kyle seraphin
Oh, it's so good.
ian crossland
Imagine that.
You know, there's the shooting, the camera.
They're like.
First, this shooting.
kyle seraphin
The day before I was driving home, my mother-in-law made a reference to the movie Splash, which is a weird thing to do, which I thought was Michael Keaton, but it's actually Tom Hanks in it.
And what, Daryl Hannah?
tim pool
Yep.
kyle seraphin
1984.
I don't know why that's in my head, but it is.
I actually see the word Splash with the parentheses 1984 next to it.
And she said something about the movie to my children who are like the oldest one is eight.
So they've never heard of anything.
And I just said, yeah, we'll just stop by a blockbuster on the way home and we'll grab a copy of Splash.
And the only person at the table who laughed was my wife.
And that's how you know you've got the right person.
You have to have the right things when you're out there selecting.
If they don't get your jokes, if they don't understand that you're funny, doesn't matter how pretty they are.
It doesn't matter if they got the, what is the thing?
If the butt slapping noise that we just heard from what's her name?
Something Sweeney?
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
Sidney Sweeney?
kyle seraphin
Sidney Sweeney?
I don't even know who these people are anymore.
That's we've aged out.
I've aged out from knowing what pop culture chicks are.
Pop culture chicks that stand with Mustangs.
tim pool
We've gone full circle.
One flu over the cuckoo's nest is about Randall McMurphy being incarcerated for the statutory rip of a 15-year-old girl who he claims he thought was 18.
ian crossland
Interesting.
kyle seraphin
Strict liability crime.
tim pool
Maybe that's why Ian brought him up.
ian crossland
I was leading us all to Jack Nicholson's portrayal of Randall Murphy.
I don't know who that guy's in.
kyle seraphin
You thought you were leading, but that's actually hit what God's Hand in the World looks like.
ian crossland
They put him in a mental institution for that?
tim pool
No, he fakes a mental illness to avoid going to prison and doing hard labor.
ian crossland
That's a crazy movie.
That's a pretty good movie.
stephen stamboulieh
Pretty nuts.
kyle seraphin
One flew over?
tim pool
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
phil labonte
I don't want to spoiler alert, but it's pretty nuts.
tim pool
And then they lobotomize him.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Nurse.
ian crossland
The nurse kind of sees all that.
And it says she treats him horribly.
stephen stamboulieh
What movie was that?
kyle seraphin
It's like an inception thing.
stephen stamboulieh
I hated that movie.
ian crossland
Inception?
I fell asleep twice trying to watch it.
kyle seraphin
That's not normal.
I know.
ian crossland
It lulled me to sleep.
stephen stamboulieh
I don't understand it.
kyle seraphin
That's why.
ian crossland
I was watching it far away on a small TV, too, so that wasn't very...
I wasn't engaged.
And I'm interested.
A lot of vibrating imagery.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, there was a lot of movement.
There was a lot of slow motion.
There was a lot of like quiet.
phil labonte
Inception?
kyle seraphin
Inception.
phil labonte
Yeah, it was weird.
kyle seraphin
But it made me think.
I liked it.
What was the other one that was like that?
Tenant, maybe?
phil labonte
I never saw Tenant.
I only saw Inception one time, anyways.
It was a weird movie that, you know.
tim pool
Yeah, neither of them make very much sense, but it's fun to see how weird it is.
kyle seraphin
And the visuals were really well run.
tim pool
Yeah, Tenet was the Nolan thing where time is moving in two directions.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, it's a fun mind game.
I don't know if it works.
tim pool
It doesn't.
kyle seraphin
It was what, Idris Elba?
Who did he serve with?
tim pool
Probably Leonardo DiCaprio.
kyle seraphin
No, there was another big name in there, and I can't think of it.
ian crossland
Yeah, time at that.
I don't think time is...
kyle seraphin
Maybe they can watch things go forward and backwards.
unidentified
Maybe.
kyle seraphin
Possibly.
unidentified
Maybe.
ian crossland
Or maybe it's always snapshots.
Like, they don't see change.
No, that wouldn't make any sense.
I have no idea.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, your theology needs work.
That's all.
ian crossland
They're like in a kind of a stasis, a hyperactive stasis, it seems like.
kyle seraphin
But how do they age and die then?
ian crossland
I don't know.
That's a good question.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, you got twisted.
You got some things to work out in this.
ian crossland
Yeah, like what is time to an alien that experiences motion that's coming in to destroy us in November?
kyle seraphin
Is that the date that we expect it?
tim pool
The what?
kyle seraphin
November, the alien from the alien.
tim pool
Yeah, November is going to come wipe us out.
kyle seraphin
Okay.
stephen stamboulieh
So we have elections.
tim pool
I think a different alien.
In Tenet, it was not Igis Elba.
It was John David Washington who was serving with Robert Pattinson.
kyle seraphin
Oh.
tim pool
And Sir Michael Kaine.
kyle seraphin
Yes.
No, he was good.
tim pool
And Aaron Taylor Johnson was in there.
Wow.
ian crossland
It was a multinational.
tim pool
Wow.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, they fielded a pretty good.
tim pool
They saw a lot of action in the war scene where they were fighting the terrorists.
ian crossland
Who was the Supreme Commander of that movie?
tim pool
No, Ian.
ian crossland
I'm just asking the director's name.
phil labonte
Literally, I figured it was the director.
ian crossland
Was it the producer Nolan?
No, the Supreme Commander is given the authority by the producer.
tim pool
Emma Thomas?
ian crossland
Like Eisenhower, you know?
kyle seraphin
Like Eisenhower?
We've gone down.
We've gone down.
ian crossland
World director of World War II.
kyle seraphin
This is like one of those flax spins from Top Gun where you just can't recover.
tim pool
As the night goes on and viewership generally declines, I've kept up the image of Sidney Sweeney holding her butt so that Tate could periodically flash the screen with that to maintain viewership.
phil labonte
It's because you're smart.
kyle seraphin
That's not dumb, yeah.
tim pool
All right, we're going to go to your chats and Rumble Rants.
So smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff.
It's Friday night.
It's a lovely summer evening.
Let's see what you guys have to say.
We got the good stuff.
We got Shan H. Wilder.
He says, the executive order to get the homeless off the streets has been a long time coming.
MAGA, make asylums great again.
Mazga, I'm flying out Monday to hang out in West Virginia, D.C., and we'll be at the Culture War on the 2nd.
Let's go.
ian crossland
Ooh, holler back.
phil labonte
There are some people that have a negative opinion of the, you know, making aside making asylums something where you can actually involuntarily commit people.
And it feels like they don't understand that homeless people are not, like, allowing them to languish on the street is not compassionate.
kyle seraphin
It's not at all.
phil labonte
At all.
kyle seraphin
If you've ever worked with that segment of the population, there are some people that are there by choice for sure.
But I've had guys come into emergency rooms that have so little sense that they wanted to be committed, right?
I had a guy that we actually did the evaluation on him.
24 hours later, we let him out of the psych hold.
He walked straight out to his car, came back in with a razor blade, cut his wrist, not in a way that was going to kill him, but just made a mess.
And then he just put blood all over the windows and we had to take him back in because he wanted to be, like he had moments of lucidity where he was like, I need help.
You guys aren't giving it to me.
It is not compassionate.
I've worked on an ambulance.
I've worked in emergency medicine.
I worked in an ER.
phil labonte
I'm also people do not understand that the number of homeless people that are homeless because of mental illness is somewhere around 75 or 77%.
I did a good circle.
It's a strong majority.
The Venn diagram is almost a circle of people that are mentally ill, homeless, and have some kind of substance dependency.
It is not compassionate to leave these People to be languishing on the streets or to live in tent cities.
It is the best thing that you can.
And never mind what it does to the people that have homes or the people that want to go to cities or that have to use the subway or whatever.
kyle seraphin
That lost track of them.
phil labonte
Here's the thing that never mind that.
kyle seraphin
Here's the balance of it, though, because one flew over the cuckoo's nest is actually the great example of it.
That's also a vulnerable population, and a lot of people abuse them in positions of power that should never have been in there.
So a check and balance system, you know, whenever you put government in charge, you're getting an awful system, even if it's the only system that could do it.
So you end up with this really nasty thing where it needs checks and balances.
You need to have some accountability.
You need to be able to have people go in there so they're not just private fiefdoms where they're just running amok and hurting people because they're in a place where they want to do that.
I don't know.
Make asylums great if they're actually great.
tim pool
Here we go.
We got Concrete Hades says Lex Wesner destroyed an entire town in Ohio for his good buddy Bezos.
Epstein had parties with Bezos, present at Wesner's estate, from what I understand.
ian crossland
I wonder what town that was in Ohio.
tim pool
Yaki India says, so the Donald on the birthday card was Donald Barr?
kyle seraphin
The birthday card that we're talking about, Epstein?
Unlikely.
No, I don't think they had friendship afterwards.
It was just a quick hiring thing back in 1976.
tim pool
All right.
Klutz says, keeping tradition, currently waiting in the hospital for my first grandchild to be born.
Let's go, Riley Jane.
unidentified
Congratulations.
Grandkids.
tim pool
Grandchild.
Jumped up.
Pleb says, my wife is a stay-at-home mom.
We have five now.
But when we got started, it was too expensive for my wife to work because of cost of daycare.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
That's the other thing that's always forgotten.
ian crossland
Wow, the opportunity cost.
tim pool
Cornelius Buttknuckle says, based on Ian tonight, Tim should probably do a quick inventory of the air duster cans.
Nah, it's okay.
We use electric air dusters.
ian crossland
And those go right up my nose.
kyle seraphin
Interesting.
stephen stamboulieh
You party with Hunter?
ian crossland
I couldn't understand what you said, but yes.
stephen stamboulieh
You party with Hunter.
kyle seraphin
Just cop to it.
What you're trying to say is that you sort of...
Just whatever he feels like.
tim pool
I can't understand what you said, but yes.
kyle seraphin
I like that.
tim pool
Miss Fitbrad says, woman teacher ruined me, told me a horror story of her life and to never rely on man.
Divorced parents, I'm a workaholic, picked the wrong man to marry, and paid that lesson with my youth, 40 and childless.
unidentified
Oof.
kyle seraphin
Still got time.
tim pool
Sorry to hear it.
Sorry to hear it.
There's a big scandal right now with, you know, I think we talked about it in the members only because we didn't want to go too ham with it.
But should I tell the story of that journalist who left his wife?
phil labonte
I mean, gently.
tim pool
Gently.
I mean.
He had to do it.
Rabbi Suave.
It was funny because this is the big scandal involving him now.
We were on the hill.
We had a story pulled up.
There's a big old picture of him.
He apparently was married for like, what, 17 years or 14 years, something?
phil labonte
Something like that.
tim pool
And now he's married to a guy.
He's a new viewer for 19.
Oh, okay, there you go.
And now he's like announcing he's married some like young Asian guy.
And everyone's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
kyle seraphin
Is he a Marine?
tim pool
No, he's a libertarian.
kyle seraphin
That's a thing.
phil labonte
Wow.
Like, that's really awful.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Anyway, I don't know.
phil labonte
I ruined the woman's life.
Sorry.
tim pool
Eric 4x4 says, I just spent the week in Chirac.
And on the drive up and the drive back along 65 and 74, I saw three Timcast bulletin boards.
Kind of cool.
ian crossland
In Iraq?
tim pool
Chirac.
kyle seraphin
Iraq.
tim pool
Chicago.
kyle seraphin
It's not in Illinois.
That's in Illinois.
tim pool
Yeah.
Cool.
In fact, we have billboards all over the country.
ian crossland
Multinational.
Is that even feasible?
tim pool
Billboards in other countries?
ian crossland
Like in London or something.
tim pool
It'd be weird to be like watch live at 4 in the morning.
You know what I mean?
stephen stamboulieh
You'd have to say it in Arabic, too.
tim pool
Or London.
Well, Urdu, actually.
stephen stamboulieh
I was about to say maybe a bunch of other languages.
tim pool
Urdu.
President Nixon did nothing wrong, says this is a distraction from the fact that Trump can release all thousands of Epstein files DOJ has now.
These files aren't sealed.
Redact victims.
unidentified
That's true.
stephen stamboulieh
They're on Bondi's desk from what I heard.
kyle seraphin
I heard that desk is also where the aliens are.
Oh, it's like a black hole.
ian crossland
Yeah, Kyle, you made a really good point that these files aren't files.
It's like, well, there might be files on a computer, digital.
tim pool
I mean, at any point, the files related to the case.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
And I do think you make a good point about the perception of what the files means, because when I say I want the files released, I'm not talking about a blanket release of every document they have.
And that's not even to say, like, obviously the victim stuff, you redact.
But then there's going to be other stuff that could compromise law enforcement that doesn't need to be released either.
kyle seraphin
We know that they actually went out there and did all those redactions.
I've got buddies that were actually working in the Hoover building letting me know in real time that this was happening.
They were redacting victims' names.
So they were using AI to scan through all the case files that they had.
And then they were going, and then there was a human follow-up to make sure that they were getting it correct to redact things.
But sensibly to release them.
tim pool
I'm saying this.
Everyone goes, obviously, we're not going to release the victims.
Okay, yes.
But there are also files where it's going to not mention any perpetrators, but it's going to mention FBI agents.
We don't want to release the information.
You want to release the name of the people who are working on the case?
kyle seraphin
If you work for the FBI, at the end of the day, yeah.
Like, here's the thing.
If you went out there and you wanted to arrest somebody and you're an FBI agent, you put your name on the criminal complaint.
You put your name when you go out there and you sign the arrest warrant or you're the person on the search warrant return.
Like you're a public servant.
And we do have this real dangerous, weird idea because the FBI has been doing this for J6 cases almost exclusively.
I know guys that ran down cartel guys over, like that was their full-time job.
They ran down drug dealers and gangbangers and bad people that made threats on their life.
Their name was public when they went out and prosecuted those cases.
The J6 thing is the first time I've ever seen blanket redactions of whoever was signing.
tim pool
Right, right.
But I'm saying there's going to be information not relevant to the perpetrators.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, you don't have to blank it.
But at the end of the day, you shouldn't not release something simply because it has an FBI agent's name in it.
tim pool
No, I'm just saying it's a hypothetical of there's going to be a bunch of documents that are related to the case, but not relevant to incrimination or involvement of individuals.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, there should be a purpose for return.
tim pool
It could be routine.
It could have private information of an unrelated person, like where they were at at the time and their home address or something.
There's going to be unrelated information.
kyle seraphin
Oh, that PII, you definitely want to get rid of that, the personal identifying information.
No question about it.
tim pool
Not even the victims.
kyle seraphin
Yeah, but for whatever it's worth, law enforcement, when you guys see cops, what do they wear?
A name badge.
They've got a badge and a badge number, and that's supposed to identify them.
When you're an FBI agent, you're not a secret agent, even though I used to think that was a funny joke.
You're issued a set of credentials that you show people.
Everyone's seen them at Fox Mulder and Scott.
You hold them up, and it's got your name on it.
It says that you're a duly appointed federal agent.
tim pool
How many people do you think joined the FBI because of the X-Files?
kyle seraphin
Me and probably everybody.
So whatever that was like.
I actually have an X-Files poster in my wall.
It reminds me of what I hoped what the FBI was going to be.
tim pool
When I was a little kid, the FBI was so cool.
And then I became a teenager and got the internet.
And then I was like, nope.
kyle seraphin
It turns out that.
tim pool
You know what?
kyle seraphin
I actually named my last two years there, I have my son's name is Bodhi.
It's spelled exactly like Bodhi from Point Break.
Right.
And that was when Patrick Swayze served with.
ian crossland
Gianu.
kyle seraphin
Gianu Reese.
So I named my son that, and I have a poster of the two of them skydiving from the famous scene up on my wall.
Just as a reminder to me, like that's not what the FBI is, but that's what people used to think it was.
tim pool
To be honest, it was a lot easier to say when he served with Keanu instead of saying he appeared in the same movie as Keanu.
kyle seraphin
No, it flows.
tim pool
It flows.
kyle seraphin
Like I said, it was a gift.
tim pool
A revolutionary.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
I'm sticking with me.
ian crossland
Being an actor, it is a form of service.
No cap.
stephen stamboulieh
I don't even know what that means.
kyle seraphin
I don't either.
tim pool
It means love lying.
ian crossland
Oh, there it goes.
I'm too old for this.
I knew what it insinuated.
phil labonte
I'm older than you, and I know this.
stephen stamboulieh
How old are you?
phil labonte
50.
stephen stamboulieh
Man, you're so old.
tim pool
You're so old.
ian crossland
What does cap even mean?
kyle seraphin
What does it mean?
phil labonte
No lie.
No capping means.
ian crossland
But why?
tate brown
It means capping is lying, so then no cap would mean not lying.
ian crossland
I capped all caps.
tim pool
Do you know what glazing means?
stephen stamboulieh
All of these new words, like a skibbity and all of that.
tim pool
I don't know what that is.
That's a reference to a YouTube.
phil labonte
The only new word that I've heard that I really hate is the new slang for hot dogs.
I don't want to call them glizzies.
I'm not calling them glizzies.
Absolutely not.
tim pool
Glizzy is slang for male genitals.
ian crossland
And it glides down your throat.
Is that the whole point?
A glizzy gliding down.
That's the noise your throat is.
phil labonte
Glizzy started.
stephen stamboulieh
I hope the glimmer wasn't on you.
phil labonte
Glizzy started as slang for Glock.
Because your Glock was your Glizzy.
It started as a slang for that.
I don't know how it became the slang for a hot dog.
kyle seraphin
I don't like it.
phil labonte
I don't like it at all.
tim pool
So it started as Glock, and then people started making jokes about hot dogs being guns and calling them glizzies.
And then a bunch of gay guys started saying glizzy as giving blowjobs.
And now Glizzy means, you know, blowing a guy.
kyle seraphin
It's the gay guy's fault is what you're saying.
tim pool
I mean, that's what I took from that.
I think the issue is the moment a single gay man makes a YouTube video or TikTok where he says this is what it means, everyone backs off like, I don't say that.
Don't look at me.
I never said that.
kyle seraphin
Can we please get someone to make that and make this thing stop?
tim pool
No, it's true.
kyle seraphin
No, I want it to stop, though.
So we want no more glizzy.
stephen stamboulieh
I would like it to stop.
kyle seraphin
Yeah.
tim pool
Glizzy is a gay slang term for giving a man for men giving men.
kyle seraphin
No, but didn't you say we need to have a man who is gay say that as an expert?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
You must understand.
They did this five years ago.
kyle seraphin
And it's still happening?
tim pool
And people, so when someone says the word glizzy, they're referring to blowing guys.
I don't like it.
kyle seraphin
I don't like it in terms of hot dogs.
tim pool
If you're not hanging out in bathhouses, you'll never see.
kyle seraphin
That's true.
I'm totally safe from that.
But also, you have to hear people say things.
What are the other words that we hated?
stephen stamboulieh
Just like all of, what generation are you?
Alpha?
unidentified
Z?
stephen stamboulieh
Z?
tim pool
Alpha is old as our 15.
stephen stamboulieh
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, the oldest alpha, I think, are 13 or 13 years old, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And there's only 40 million of them.
stephen stamboulieh
I don't want to get into the whole generation.
kyle seraphin
We're totally in like a upside-down pyramids game.
We're screwed.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
There's half as many Gen Alphas as there were millennials.
kyle seraphin
And it's Boomer's fault, yeah.
tim pool
And this is why, I'm going to say it again.
I'm going to say it again.
They are rebooting Scrubs, Malcolm in the Middle, King of the Hill, Happy Gilmore 2 just came out.
Rumors of Married with Children.
All they're doing is regurgitating the 90s for millennials because the millennial market has, millennials have a little bit of money and Gen Z and Gen Alpha are completely broke and small generations.
ian crossland
You mentioned a couple nights ago how they're like people are all going to have their own AI programs that they go, show me that Scrubs season three, but with Donald Fazon.
And everyone will have their own references of culture of what a good song.
tim pool
You'll live in the pod.
ian crossland
Because everyone's making their own version of it.
We don't have an identifying culture.
Well, this is a concern I've got, like Pearl Jam, a band I could relate to a girl on, and then I'd be like, I got something in common with this human.
Now, if everyone's making their own music in their own head.
tim pool
Like you don't watch Timcast IRL.
You will live in the pod and you will eat the bugs.
stephen stamboulieh
And you will be happy.
tim pool
Yeah, you're going to be a hairless, skinless Matrix pod dweller.
kyle seraphin
I've seen that movie.
tim pool
Dude, I can't wait.
No, I'm happy for this, though.
unidentified
For real.
tim pool
You know why?
kyle seraphin
Because I can live in Montana.
tim pool
The only thing that matters is that I can AI generate a version of Revenge of the Sith where Anakin comes to his senses and Mace Window decides it's probably a bad idea to execute the Chancellor on the spot.
And then the Jedi come in and arrest him and they hold a trial and he gets arrested and the Republic is saved.
stephen stamboulieh
Wow.
kyle seraphin
You really need that.
tim pool
I need it.
It has to happen.
kyle seraphin
It's like there's a vexing you.
tim pool
Mace Windu is like, he's too dangerous.
And Anakin goes, it's not the Jedi way.
And Mace goes, you're right.
Okay.
Get more Jedi in here.
We're going to arrest him.
And he goes, yes.
kyle seraphin
Mace Windu was played by.
tim pool
Samuel.
kyle seraphin
Samuel L. Jackson.
He served with, what, Ewan McGregor and some of the others?
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
They served together.
Samuel L. Jackson probably served with everybody, to be honest.
kyle seraphin
That's actually probably true.
He might be the next Kevin Bacon.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
He might be the modern Kevin Bacon.
tim pool
Indeed.
He's the most decorated actor.
unidentified
Some people say that.
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
Some would say.
Highly decorated.
tim pool
All right, here we go.
We got Real Warpig.
It says, if you're over 30 and don't have your own family, you have failed.
unidentified
What I would say is...
tim pool
I'd put it like this.
If you do not have children, you will be the first life form in a multi-billion year long chain of reproduction that did not reproduce.
ian crossland
And you got to, you know, be gentle with that term family because some people are born to real assholes and they don't think of those people as their family.
The people that took them in and that raised them are the actual family.
So just because you don't have kids doesn't, or don't have parents alive doesn't mean you don't have a family of some sort.
tim pool
Oh, I got to read this one.
Tetris says, got a 16-month-old daughter.
She just ate a June bug.
phil labonte
Yeah, baby.
That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool
Be careful, though.
No, seriously, be careful with that because you can die.
I don't know about June bugs, but you don't eat bugs for a reason.
I don't know if you guys know the story of— Off the ground, I don't know that you can.
There was a dude who at a party, he was like 19, and someone grabbed a slug, and then a dare, he dunked it in his beer and slammed it, and he was dead within a week.
ian crossland
Yeah, within a few days.
tim pool
You cannot eat insects out of the dirt.
Remember when they were selling cicadas?
kyle seraphin
Isn't it a mollusk?
tim pool
It is.
kyle seraphin
It was a slug.
tim pool
It is a mollusk.
kyle seraphin
It's not an insect, then.
tim pool
I'm saying generally you can't eat bugs out of the dirt.
unidentified
Just cook it.
phil labonte
Leviticus.
stephen stamboulieh
Doesn't Leviticus say not to eat bugs?
tim pool
Yeah, it was a parasite that went into his brain and killed him.
ian crossland
Sam Ballard, a 19-year-old Australian rugby player died on November 2nd, 2018.
tim pool
Ate a slug.
kyle seraphin
That was like a long time ago.
Dude, that's some old stuff.
What are you talking about?
ian crossland
From eating a slug.
kyle seraphin
That'd be a rough way to go.
phil labonte
Everything should be cooked.
ian crossland
He contracted rat lungworm disease from eating the slug.
kyle seraphin
Is that really what it's called?
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle seraphin
Dude, going with that as being your out, if that's your exit map, rat lung disease, that sounds like the worst thing that you could put in your.
ian crossland
He was alive for eight years after that, too.
He died eight years later.
tim pool
All right, let's go.
kyle seraphin
It happened in 2018.
That doesn't make any sense.
ian crossland
He died in 18.
tim pool
Noah Sanders says, can't wait to see you next week.
You should invite J.D. DeLay for August 2nd.
He's an ex-con who's friends with Angry Cops.
Great addition to the discussion.
Ex-con anarchist and an active cop all sides.
Well, the idea is there's four people on stage and an open seat for anyone in the audience to come up and join the debate.
And so it's going to be funny.
We're going to do a half an hour between Angry Cops and Michael Malis about policing.
And then we're going to invite literally random people to get on the stage and challenge the positions of the individuals.
And we'll see.
We'll see.
I think we're expecting right now we have confirmed around 80 individuals for this Saturday.
But it could be more because they canceled the tickets and refunded them.
So we don't know if we actually are going over it.
But we have 200 seats.
So I think we'll be fine.
The Angry Cops, Michael Malis, one, I think, is probably going to sell out.
So DCComedyLoft.com, get your tickets now.
Because I think we're close to selling out already.
If you do want to come to that one, buy your tickets.
ian crossland
And then August 9th, we're doing the feminism debate, which I was asking if people with tickets that got canceled, but they didn't rebuy because they didn't know, are they able to come show up with their canceled ticket?
I mean, probably not supposed to, and be like, sorry, I have my name.
You see, I bought it.
It's canceled.
tim pool
Probably, but the challenge we're going to have is if we, if, if, let's say it's a 200-seat venue.
Let's say 110 people buy tickets get canceled.
A different 110 people buy tickets.
They both show up.
There's going to be 20 people that won't have seen it.
ian crossland
It's just like first come, first serve, maybe until it fills up.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
kyle seraphin
Do like a thunderdome outside and see within a show.
tim pool
Crack a pool stick in half and throw it on the ground and say tryouts.
unidentified
Right.
kyle seraphin
See who's coming in.
ian crossland
The windows are off limits.
Don't climb through the windows.
And we'll be hiding right by the windows, waiting.
tim pool
I think we'll be fine.
I don't, like the first event I don't think was going to sell out.
I think we'll probably end up with 100 or a little bit more with some last minute.
ian crossland
Who are the guests?
tim pool
We have Gavin McInnes and Matan Evan and Pisco Liddy, the liberal lawyer.
So if you guys don't know who Matan is, he's how do you describe him?
ian crossland
Well, he's a hero.
tim pool
He's a comedic interview personality.
He's a Gen Z guy.
Everyone knows Gavin.
He created the Proud Boys.
ian crossland
Matan, he appeared talking about Bill Clinton being his rabbi, I think, and then had every indication to me of just being a flash in the pan, young guy, just making a viral hit.
But he is the real deal.
I'm really looking forward to seeing him work.
I don't know.
tim pool
I haven't met him in person yet.
kyle seraphin
It's going to be half debate, half kind of semi-roast.
Is that kind of the game, too?
tim pool
No, no.
It's full debate.
It's meant to be a debate that's fun.
kyle seraphin
Got it.
tim pool
So it's at a comedy club, and the idea is when we're debating, we're going to be serious, but there's going to be snark and there's going to be heckling.
And it's meant to just be a good time where we shouldn't leave angry at each other's throats.
We should be laughing and being like, okay, okay, you got me.
So it's not that maybe you're right.
Maybe you're right.
It's not that anyone's directly getting roasted.
kyle seraphin
Sure, sure.
tim pool
But we're going to make fun of each other.
kyle seraphin
Roast some points.
ian crossland
Alex Stein is the roast man.
tim pool
During the pilot, we were like, we need Stein to be the comedic levity for the debate.
He was the one trying to keep it together.
ian crossland
Yeah, if it's too crazy, he'll.
kyle seraphin
I've been on his program where I didn't know what I was getting into, and I didn't know if he was going to do like a straight interview, which is what he ended up doing, or if he was going to go there and just be like Alex Stein, which is what I assumed.
And so I literally got invited on.
We were doing it remote.
He was up in Dallas.
I'm in Austin.
Like, I pop on the screen and he was like, and now we have Kyle Serifin.
Like, how you doing?
I'm like, I'm doing pretty good.
I haven't seen you since I saw you humping my leg last, which is the last time I saw him.
He was actually humping my leg.
unidentified
And he was like, oh, well, let's talk about some stuff in the news.
kyle seraphin
Catching Alex Stein off guard is like my favorite thing.
By the way, when I first met him, I met him at a seat, not a CPAC.
I met him at an Amfest.
I walked up to him and I had never met him before.
He had just started following me on X. I'm standing there with my wife.
My wife is tiny and Alex is a pretty big guy.
He's obviously a lot bigger than me.
So I see him standing there.
I go, hey, hon, I'm going to go say hi to him.
She was like, oh, don't do that.
I'm like, I'm just going to go.
I go, hey, Alex Stein.
Hey, how's it going?
Kyle Serifin.
You're my biggest fan.
He had absolutely no idea what to do with that.
He looked at me.
He's like.
tim pool
It is.
You know, what's really crazy?
kyle seraphin
I keep catching people like that off guard.
I could see him keeping together.
tim pool
I am surprised to a certain extent at how famous Alex Stein is.
kyle seraphin
He's really recognizable.
tim pool
But like, he's wearing a suit and he's tall.
You walk to the casino, and every time someone's running up to them and going, Primetime 99!
kyle seraphin
He did a good job with that.
He was not screwing around at the end of the day.
tim pool
Some dude jumped up from the blackjack table and was like, primetime 99.
kyle seraphin
He also jumped on barstools sort of thing.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
kyle seraphin
He came up like a half villain by doing his thing there.
So he didn't screw up.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
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We got clips coming up throughout the weekend.
Tomorrow is the Culture War Live event.
We hope to see you there.
There is an after-party.
It's going to be crazy.
So, yeah, thanks for hanging out.
Kyle, do you want to shout anything out?
kyle seraphin
Yep.
You guys can find me in the mornings.
I'm on Rumble.
I'm on YouTube.
I'm on X. It's at Kyle Seraphin on all those places.
Real easy to find.
stephen stamboulieh
Oh, sorry.
Yeah.
I'm on Twitter, X, whatever you call it now.
It's Stambo2A.
Thanks for having Kyle on, who asked me to come.
tim pool
You're right on.
ian crossland
It's always a pleasure.
A wonderful opportunity to be here.
This is for sure, man.
We're changing the world.
So keep doing it.
Do your best.
Put some good stuff out there into the universe.
Feed the algorithm, the food that you want to eat as a child when you're reincarnated later.
And take it away, Phil.
phil labonte
Easy and cross-line on X. I'm Phil that Remains on X. You can follow my band, All That Remains, on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, and Deezer.
Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We will see you Tomorrow, live in Washington, D.C. at the DC Comedy Loft.
Doors are at 2 p.m.
Thanks for hanging out.
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