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June 19, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Trump Approves IRAN ATTACK PLAN, Holds Final Order, Iran May Meet At White House | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Donald Trump has approved a strike plan on Iran.
		That's right, ladies and gentlemen.
		Donald Trump has approved a U.S. military strike plan on Iran.
		But wait!
		He's holding off on giving the final order.
		He wants to negotiate with Iran, and we all hope that's the case.
		He actually said the Iranians want to come to the White House, and that may happen.
		I hope so.
		Anything is better than a drawn-out, protracted war.
		And if you win without having to actually get involved and waste money and resource, that sounds like a good plan.
		Hopefully, this is just Trump's big ask.
		Saber rattles makes it look like we're gearing for war, but then brings them to the table.
		Well, maybe that's what happens, but we also have this story that I think a lot of people missed yesterday.
		China sent a mysterious plane, a transport, we don't know exactly what it is, to Iran.
		Maybe it's to evacuate, maybe it supplies, who knows, but it was a single plane still.
		Interesting.
		Then we've got, over at the Pentagon, one of Hegseth's top guys escorted out of the building.
		This may be another leaker.
		We'll talk about that.
		Plus, we've got a bunch more.
		Obama says we are steps away from autocracy because apparently he was sleeping for the past seven or eight years, not paying attention to what was going on with the Democrats locking up Donald Trump, his confidants, his lawyers and associates.
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unidentified		Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Mike Duran.
unidentified		Hello.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
unidentified		I, um...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you know a whole lot about what's going on right now with all this Iran-Israel stuff.
unidentified		I do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you're the perfect guy to be here!
		Well, I appreciate it.
		It should be fun and insightful.
		I look forward to you explaining things to us.
		So thanks for hanging out.
unidentified		Great to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Brett hanging out.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yes, guys.
		I'm not expected to know anything about what's going on in the Middle East, but we're going to talk about it because normally I'm doing Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, which is noon Pacific.
		You should join us there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you know about Caitlin Clark.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She got body checked.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		She's been getting body checked for the last year.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You also know about the made-for-TV movie that's made about the real events.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Look, I saw Zero Dark Thirty in Argo.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Good stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's all we need.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		My name is Phil Levante.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All It Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		Let's get into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the story from the Wall Street Journal.
		Trump privately approved of attack plans for Iran but has withheld the final order.
		The president is hoping that threatening to join Israel's strikes will lead Tehran to abandon its nuclear program.
		They say, since his private instructions in the White House Situation Room to the military, Trump has disclosed publicly that an attack is an option.
		Quote, I have ideas on what to do, but I haven't made a final.
		I'd like to make the final decision one second before it's due, he told reporters.
		Very Trumpian.
		Trump is hoping that threatening to join Israel's strikes in Iran, which continued for a sixth day, will compel Tehran to meet his demands.
		The people said he acknowledged that a U.S. attack was under consideration, but said he still might decide against it.
		Well, we do have this.
		Trump says he may meet with Iran at the White House.
		This is amazing.
		We actually have a clip.
		Let's roll the tape.
unidentified		They should have made the deal.
		I had a great deal for them.
		They should have made that deal.
		60 days, we talked about it.
		And in the end, they decided not to do it.
		And now they wish they did it.
		And they want to meet, but it's a little late to meet, but they want to meet, and they want to come to the White House.
		They'll even come to the White House, so we'll see.
		I may do that, but it's a shame it could have been done the easy way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Could have been done the easy way.
		Well, I certainly would prefer that, but what do you think, Mike?
		Do you think Iran's going to come to the table, actually negotiate something legitimate, or do you think we go to war?
unidentified		I think they're in really bad shape.
		And I think they're only now starting to understand how bad everything is.
		Israel's in total control of the skies of Tehran.
		I think this is something they couldn't have imagined.
		Today, completely blue skies and Israel was bombing in the daylight.
		Iran hasn't shot down a single drone or a single jet of the Israelis, as far as I know.
		It's just amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there's a possibility that Iran may bring in some allies?
unidentified		I don't think so.
		I don't know who would do it, who could do it.
		The only power in the area that could cause Israel significant trouble is Turkey, and it's not inclined to.
		Israel has an unimpeded air bridge from Israel across Syria into Iran.
		If the Turks wanted to cause trouble, they could.
		They don't want to do that.
		nobody is upset about what Israel's doing.
		They don't want to participate in it, but everyone wants to see Iran's nuclear programs There was a story earlier about Russia giving some kind of warning, but the warning was actually just fears of destabilizing the region.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, all these different news outlets are trying to make it seem like Putin was saying, Trump, I'm going to come for you and join Iran.
		He was actually saying, oh man, if Iran falls, that could destabilize the region.
		It wasn't even Putin.
		It was a foreign minister, an advisor, I guess.
		And so it really just sounds like they're all kind of saying, yeah, Iran, you're on your own on this one.
		We don't want to get involved.
unidentified		I know for a fact that Khamenei called Putin.
		After Trump was elected, in October, the Israelis knocked out all of the air defenses of the Iranians.
		And they were, at that point, totally naked before the Israelis.
		And Khamenei called Putin and said, he didn't ask, he ordered him.
		He said, when you were in trouble, I came to help for you.
		You must come and help me now.
		And Putin said, niet.
		Putin has been keeping a certain amount of distance from Iran since Trump was elected.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people, one of the strongest arguments against going to, for the U.S. getting involved in anything going on with Iran is that there would be a rush to support Iran from not just...
		Neither of them seem to be doing anything.
		Do you think that that changes the equation regarding China and Taiwan as well, or do you think that these are too different to make comparisons?
unidentified		To me, it's a huge question, a hugely important question.
		How is China going to read the implications of the Iran war?
		For its relations with us over Taiwan.
		And I don't know that I have a good sense of that.
		I think that Trump taking his whole point about peace through strength, I think the stronger he is, the more decisive he is, the more he'll be able to deter Xi Jinping.
		But how Xi Jinping is reading it, it's not clear to me.
		One little small thing that's interesting about China and Iran.
		The Israelis, we say that their goal is to destroy the Iranian nuclear program, but it's not exactly true.
		They have two goals.
		destroy the nuclear program, and also destroy the ballistic missile program.
		And the reason for that is that last October...
		They got through and hit the Nevatim air bases, which is where the Israelis have the F-35, and it really rattled the Israelis.
		So they responded by taking out part of the production supply chain, the production chain of the Iranians for these ballistic missiles.
		And the Israelis calculated at that time that they had set the production of the ballistic missiles back or stopped the production for at least a year.
		But what happened was the Chinese moved in and gave the Iranians new equipment.
		And then the Iranians started a plan to double or triple their supply of these weapons, or their arsenal of these weapons, within the next five years.
		And if they had got that kind of arsenal, from the Israeli point of view, that would be the equivalent of an atomic bomb, even though it's a conventional weapon because of the firepower it would have.
		So there's kind of two things that are pushing the Israelis forward.
		And one of them is this...
		I don't think they'll intervene directly militarily, but they'll be there to try to help Iran rebuild.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They'll violate U.S. sanctions, right?
		Because that's what they're doing with that?
		Or are there no sanctions on the parts that Iran would need to...
unidentified		They do it through companies.
		So they will violate sanctions, but they'll also play fast and loose.
		And it's a kind of a sort of a whack-a-mole game of trying to find which part of China you're going to...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Does this hurt Trump's credibility?
		I notice he gives himself an out at the end of his speech there.
		He says, or I might not do it at all, basically.
		Which is like, look, I could do this.
		I could end up doing all these things, but it might not.
		That way it doesn't look bad if the time runs out on the arbitrary timeline he gave Iran and then they...
		Do you think it'll be perceived as weakness by the rest of the world?
		If the time runs out, nobody comes to the table and the U.S. doesn't get involved.
unidentified		We don't know what the negotiations are.
		The Iranians are sending messages.
		He's not totally happy with them.
		So he's trying to move them.
		But we don't know what it is.
		So I think it gives him options.
		He always likes that, to keep options open.
		I don't see it's a bad thing.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It felt like the type of thing where if he doesn't make that statement at the end there, then it's going to be perceived a certain way.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So the messaging was designed to give him that out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It kind of feels like, based on the news about, you know, as you're describing, Israel's just bombarding Iran.
		Iran's not blocking any of it.
		They've got no defenses for this.
		And Israel's heavily defended.
		It looks like Iran's already been crushed.
unidentified		I wouldn't go that far.
		Because there's another article in the Wall Street Journal about the magazine of the Israelis, their interceptors, running out.
		Because the interceptors to shoot down the ballistic missiles are much more expensive than the missiles themselves.
		Because you have to build a much more sophisticated missile to hit a missile than the one coming in.
		And then sometimes it takes two or three to do it.
		So the Israelis are running up against a clock.
		So the Iranians are running a marathon, and the Israelis are sprinting, which is one of the reasons why I think Trump might actually bomb Iran.
		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't considered that, and it sounds like that's what's going to happen.
unidentified		I'd be willing to bet on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Iran's basically saying, we're going to wait until Israel's defenses are run out, and then go full bore.
unidentified		Well, I think what they would do is, if they could, because it's a kind of a race, I think they would like to demonstrate that they're not going to be toppled.
		And wait until they can see that Israel is having trouble with interceptors, and then producing interceptors, and then start a serious negotiation with Trump, if they could hold out that long.
		And then Trump would be, that would give Trump leverage over Israel to shut the thing down if he were so inclined.
		Their only way out is to have...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you think the most likely outcome then will be Trump will order a strike on Iran?
unidentified		I think he probably will.
		It depends, unless they come with, basically he said to the, So I know that one, not one thing or another.
		I think the highest probability is that Trump will...
		Because that's all the Israelis want from the Americans.
		In terms of American intervention, they want the bunker busters and the B-2 bombers.
		So they want that operation.
		Trump is going to look at this and see, unless the Iranians are coming and capitulating and saying, we will destroy our nuclear program, we will destroy all the underground facilities, we'll do it under IAEA supervision and so forth.
		Unless they say that, then they're just playing for time.
		And he's going to see that the closer the Israelis get to running through their magazine, the more they're going to be inclined to take extreme measures to put pressure on the Iranians.
		Worst option will be to just destroy the program and then we're done.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Well, let's jump to the story from the Telegraph.
		We missed this one yesterday.
		Serge found it.
		China sends mystery transport planes into Iran.
		Flight plans indicate a final destination of Luxembourg, but the aircraft appeared to have never flown near European skies.
		Take a look at this map.
		This is fascinating.
		You can see all of the planes that are avoiding this area for a good reason.
		Iran, Iraq, Syria.
		Jordan, Israel, ain't nobody flying over these countries right now.
		Save for a few.
		We've got this one, CLX-9877.
		They say, a day after Israel attacked around on Friday, a cargo plane took off from China.
		The next day, a second plane departed from a coastal city.
		Then on Monday, yet another departed, this time from Shanghai.
		Three flights in three days.
		They say, to add to the mystery, flight plans indicated a final destination of Luxembourg, but the aircraft appeared to have never flown near European skies.
		Aviation experts have noted, The type of plane used, Boeing 747 freighters, are commonly used for transporting military equipment and weapons and hired to fly government contract orders.
		Quote, These cargoes cannot but generate a lot of interest because of the expectation that China might do something to help Iran, said Andrea.
		Gisele, a lecturer at the University of Exeter, who specializes in China's relations with the Middle East and North Africa.
		They're going to mention that China and Iran are strategic partners, aligned primarily in their opposition to the U.S.-led world order and in favor of a new multipolar phase in global diplomacy.
		They mention Iran is one of China's key energy suppliers, sending as many as 2 million barrels of oil a day.
		So it's no surprise that Beijing might be looking for ways to support and stabilize the Islamic Republic.
		Now, I'm wondering, could these have been evacuations?
		Maybe they're trying to...
		We can get him when we want to.
		Could these planes be meant to get people out of the country safely?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't see why not, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it could be anything that we were just talking about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't see why they'd be bringing in military equipment, to be honest.
unidentified		Maybe, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's uranium.
unidentified		They could have been bringing in components or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Microcontrollers, chips for computers.
unidentified		I really have no idea.
unidentified		It could be anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What about you, Brett?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is there any movie that you've seen that will explain what's going on?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the thing that I thought was funny about it was like, what if we really need to get to the other side really, really fast?
		Like, look, we're not going to go around.
		We're just going to.
		Like, sure, a missile might hit us, but we've got places to go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is this story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Check this out, this tweet.
unidentified		Can I call somebody?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, who is it?
unidentified		His name is John Kasapolu.
		He works with me.
		He's a Turkish open-source military analyst.
		He'll have an idea.
		Do you want to try to do it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, if he doesn't mind being live to millions of people, I guess.
unidentified		We'll find out.
unidentified		Here we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's going to be like, what do you mean I'm on the air?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're going to phone a friend to get an answer as to what these Chinese transports are.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're rules.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the meantime, while you're getting him on the phone, we have this one.
		Alex Fazio posted this image.
		Someone wasn't monitoring the situation, and there's a lone UAE flight going straight over Iran.
		I love this.
		Patrick Blumenthal said, quote, I deleted my social media and stopped reading the news, and honestly, my mental health has been so much better.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		See?
unidentified		I'm on air right now on a podcast to millions of people, and I want to beam you in.
		Is that all right?
		Yeah, to millions of people, and I want to beam you in.
		Is that okay?
		Are you ready to?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just say yes.
unidentified		Okay, here we go.
unidentified		I'll put you on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
unidentified		Like that?
unidentified		And he'll be able to?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
unidentified		Like that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, hey.
		Okay.
		All right.
		And don't put it on speaker.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, don't put it on speaker.
		Can he talk?
		Maybe we can hear him.
unidentified		Hey, John, talk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I can't hear him.
unidentified		Okay, hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You might have to do the earpiece.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Speaker.
unidentified		Yeah, put it on speakerphone.
		Okay, talk now.
		Can you hear me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now you can put up to the microphone.
unidentified		Okay, now I'll put up to the microphone.
		So, John, we're looking at a map and there was, in the Telegraph, there's this report that a Chinese plane or three Chinese planes a couple of days ago flew into Iran.
		What do you think they did?
		What are they doing?
		Depends what kind of planes they are.
		Are they cargo planes?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Like strategic lifts?
		Yes, cargo planes.
		So if they're cargo planes and if they're Chinese, I would say my number one guesstimate would be solid propellant components for Iranian missiles.
		My second guesstimate would be guidance systems or microprocessors for, again, Iranian missiles.
		My third guesstimate, and these are all, I'm ranking them according to their probability, my third guesstimate would be a Chinese attempt to boost Iranian air defenses or electronic warfare systems, but this is helpless against Israeli technologies.
		I know the Iranians use Chinese anti-ship missiles, but I don't think in this case they are looking for them.
		Iranian Shahid drones have...
		Chinese DNA.
		So my fifth guesstimate would be some drone components.
		But if I had to bet on one thing, I would say Iran needs solid propellant medium-range ballistic missiles against Israel as a counter-offensive deterrent.
		And I know that the Israelis hit their solid propellant production facilities hard back in October 2024.
		So if they had one chance to go Chinese for something, and if I were advisor to So, the full missiles?
		Missiles are like superstructures.
		So you have to produce the microprocessors, mission computers, multiple re-entry vehicles, the fins, the airframes, the part...
		That the Iranians are mostly depending on the Chinese is the solid propellant fuel for the solid propellant ballistic missiles.
		Why solid propellant is very important?
		Because it minimizes the launch cycle almost three to one compared to liquid fuel systems.
		And it is very important in two kinds of situations.
		First, A, if your adversary is flying over your airspace and looking for your transporter erector launchers, which is the cool way of saying the vehicles that launch your ballistic missiles.
		And second, if you want to boost the surprise factor against your adversary, like a blitz, like a lightning attack.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		I want you to know, John's getting married on Saturday?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations.
unidentified		Yeah, thank you.
		And it's in the middle of the night for him.
		3 a.m.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
unidentified		Thanks for calling in.
unidentified		Whenever I have a question about what's happening militarily in the world, I can call him up in the middle of the night and he never complains, even when he's about to get married.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think, I mean, it sounds spot on.
		This is actually what you and we were just speculating as to what this may be.
		Components for missiles or something.
unidentified		But he said it with a much greater degree of certainty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know, it's fantastic.
unidentified		Yeah, the Chinese, actually, we know that the Chinese wanted to ship those to the Iranians.
		And some news stories suggest that they did it.
		But we, 100%, we know that they tried to do that.
		By sea lanes.
		But if they dispatched an airlift, a strategic airlift, and if it is really solid propellant components, it means that the Chinese and the Iranians, because they are the demanding party, they were in a hurry, literally.
		Yet again, there comes another question.
		If they were in a hurry...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I looked it up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Three cargo planes, 747s, can carry 360 metric tons of solid fuel.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		793,000 pounds.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And it would equip like high...
		Wow.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The internet says it could be 12 ICBMs, 24 to 36 MRBMs, and 60 to 90 SRBMs.
unidentified		26 MRBMs?
		No, much higher.
		Because you can play with it.
		Like, look, it is like a child's play.
		If you reduce the warhead weight, For instance, the Horamshar missile that the Iranians fired, like signal fired, it is more than test fired, like signal fired a few days ago, the warhead was almost empty.
		They wanted to show something.
		So it depends.
		But it's going to get dangerous because they have some toys that they haven't demonstrated yet.
		Like Fatih 2, like Hormshar with an actual warhead.
		The actual warhead is more than three times the warhead of the Hach custom missiles, for instance, or EMAT missiles that they have been throwing at the Israelis.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So is it possible that right now Iran is using weaker warheads to try and run out the interceptors?
unidentified		I wouldn't say the weaker warheads.
		I would say the mid-range warheads in their arsenals.
		These are not the weakest links in the overall Iranian arsenal, but these are not the rock stars either.
		The rock stars are still waiting.
		So the question was, is it possible that they're holding back somewhat in order to run down the magazine of the Israelis?
		Yeah, of course, because look, the magazine death, the Interceptor magazine.
		Which interceptor we use for?
		Defensive missiles that intercept other missiles, like the Aero missiles, like the TAT missiles.
		So the magazine depth is at the highest point during the opening stages of a conflict.
		So you want to troll, you have to be very careful, you want to troll your less important assets in the beginning of a conflict.
		To deplete the adversaries, interceptors.
		But you cannot go very weak and very low with that because also you have to signal that you are powerful and you are capable of inflicting damage to your adversary.
		So what the Iranians are doing right now, like Hachkasen, Imad, this kind of missiles, this is the sweet spot.
		And I think their choice of weapons are really good.
		I would advise the same if I were advising Armani.
		If I were on the dark side.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Wow, thanks, man.
		This has been very insightful.
unidentified		Okay, John.
		Thanks a lot.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Bye-bye.
		I'm going to be awake for one more hour.
		My fiancée is sleeping here.
		She hasn't left me yet for some reason.
		I don't know.
		Mike is coming all the way from United States, like continental United States to my wedding just to apologize.
		I'm starting my relationship with your wife on a really nice foot.
		Thank you.
		Bye-bye.
		Wow, that was amazing.
		He's amazing.
		Do you remember when there was that missile that went into Poland?
		Yeah.
		And it was the question, did Russia strike Poland or was it a Ukrainian interceptor?
		And there was a report that came out saying that a Western intelligence official had said it was a Russian missile.
		And he immediately said, he looked at the picture of the engine.
		There was a picture of the burnt wreckage of the engine.
		And he immediately said, no, this is a...
		He said, there's an 85% probability that this is a Ukrainian interceptor.
		He said, there is one possibility that it's a Russian missile.
		In that case, it has to have been fired because of the distances from Belarus.
		And we don't have any information that the Russians have these missiles in Belarus.
		So it's really probably the Ukrainian.
		And he did that just from looking at the records.
		I don't know anyone else who knows all of the technical details to that level.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Those rocket engines.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was saying how many He said high double digits, I thought.
		Yeah.
		So what JetGPT gave me is short-range ballistic missiles could be between 60 and 90 missiles fueled by those three flights from China.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		The medium ranges are the ones that are doing the real damage on the Israelis.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It says 24 to 36, but of course then he made the point they can reduce the warhead yield so they can get more flight time, really play with it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Does it surprise you that this story got missed by so many people given all the implications that there are for that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, people were making jokes about the UAE flight.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It literally flew under the radar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, there's that...
		Let's try and grab it.
		This image of the single UAE flight going over Iran that everybody was sharing.
		Nobody thought to share the one of the three Chinese cargo planes going into Iran and then taking off and going to Europe.
		Now the question is, why would they allow them to then come into Europe?
		That's a crazy thing.
		I mean, I guess, what do you do?
		China's supplying Iran with something.
unidentified		Did they go to Europe?
unidentified		They said they were going to go to Luxembourg, but then they never showed up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it said?
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		They just, they faked Luxembourg.
		I thought it said...
		Or that it just turned around?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		instead of going to Luxembourg, it went to Iran.
unidentified		Is that?
unidentified		I think this was a...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		I was assuming that meant past tense.
		Like, they had never been to Europe before.
		I see what it's actually saying.
		My mistake.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if, like, flight plans tell you the route that they intend to take.
		Like, I don't know if they generally would say we're going to Luxembourg via, you know, Tehran.
		They're big.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's 747s.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yo, that's wild.
		So they say Cargo Lux, the Luxembourg-based company that operated the planes, said its flights did not utilize Iranian airspace, but the firm did not respond to questions about what they were carrying.
		Cargo manifests are not considered a matter of public record, and though any dangerous goods or special loads have to be declared to the operator and handling agents, information provided could be inaccurate or misleading.
		China has tried before to send weapons disguised as commercial goods, labeling drone components as wind turbine parts or shipments intercepted by European authorities.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Technically, they are wind turbines.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
unidentified		It does raise an interesting question about what China will do.
		Let's say things get really desperate for the Iranians.
		What will China do?
		I don't think it will intervene militarily, but will it take some kind of steps to bolster the Iranians?
		I don't know.
		I don't know what those would be.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It said that Iran was their largest energy provider, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Two million barrels per day.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Who is their second largest?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's pull a list.
unidentified		Probably Saudi Arabia.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Because then the question is, what would you do to protect the number one source of energy for your country, right?
unidentified		It's as much a strategic relationship as it is an economic relationship.
		They benefit from the fact that Iran gives them oil at very cheap prices.
		But it also helps them...
		So if anyone in the region, if our allies want help with Iran, they're inclined to go to Beijing.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Does it say?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This doesn't say that Iran is their biggest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It says Saudi Aramco.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Saudi Arabian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rosneft Russia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It makes sense that Russia would be a bigger energy provider because they just call it a cold...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what they sell.
		They sell energy.
		ExxonMobil provides a lot to China as well.
		Shell.
		Woodside Energy.
		Yeah, I don't know.
		They said Iran is one of their top energy partners.
		One of their key energy suppliers, whatever that means.
unidentified		They buy from everybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's interesting.
		I wonder how much of a threat a fractured and shattered Iran would be to the region, though, and how much China is concerned about it.
unidentified		Concerned.
		Very concerned.
		If Iran were to fracture, of course, they'd lose an ally because it's China, Russia, Iran, North Korea against us and our allies.
		But if Iran were to actually fracture, I think the big winner in the game will be Turkey.
		Because one-third of all Iranians are Turks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		And so it will change the ethnic composition of Iran.
unidentified		It could actually break it up, but more than likely I think there would just be an Iran that had a more Turkic flavor to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People need to understand the region.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of people don't even know where Iraq and Afghanistan are, but you can see Iran borders Turkey.
unidentified		And the whole northeast quadrant of Iran is Turkish-speaking, Azerbaijani-Turkish-speaking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
unidentified		So Turkey and Azerbaijan are allies.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And there's Kurds up there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Don't forget about the Kurds.
unidentified		There's Kurds there, too.
		But the overwhelming population in the Kurds are down a little bit, closer toward Iraq.
		Up in the northeast quadrant, it's overwhelmingly Azerbaijani Turks.
		And Turkey and Azerbaijan are allies.
		So you'd have a Turkic population in Iran that would have strong allies right across the border that could help them out.
		So, that's going to happen, I think, anyway, one way or another.
		I don't mean that Iran is going to crack up.
		I mean the ethnic mix in Iran is going to shift.
		And it's going to shift to the advantage of the Turks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's such a strange coincidence how Iraq and Afghanistan, these two countries we just had to invade, just so happened to surround Iran.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They did.
unidentified		But, you say it like that.
		When we went into Iraq and Afghanistan, we took out the enemies of the Iranians.
		Saddam Hussein and the Taliban were both hostile to Iran.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you know, as far as Iran's concerned, they were just replaced by someone else hostile to Iran.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure the equation was made better.
unidentified		Well, that's the way some of them saw it.
unidentified		But I think that they found this pretty easy to play.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I know that's a...
		Yeah.
		That's how I see it.
		I think that we have And it's not us.
		I mean, the other day, Donald Trump said, or yesterday, that eye controller, The Israelis are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ted Cruz said, we're striking Iran.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		People are saying it's a Freudian slip.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or the royal we.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's our allies that are engaged in this with our interests.
unidentified		It's our alliance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		How harmful is that to Trump at home now with polling saying that people are – that CNN reporting that people are in support of what he's doing.
		Then maybe I'm just kind of fractured and living online.
		But the anti-war right now, the anti-war right has a problem with this and it's causing problems.
		It's causing discontent.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So in my opinion, it is – There's a significant sliver of the anti-war and anti-Israel right that don't want Trump to do any of this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The majority of people that would consider Israel an ally, they're fine as long as the U.S. doesn't actually invade.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's where we're at now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're mostly fine with airstrikes, if I understand correctly.
		And this is from the polls that I've seen.
		But they don't want to see Americans on the ground.
		And I think that just so long as we don't end up with a situation of Americans on the ground fighting in Iran, I think that this will be a total non-issue just so long.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		100%.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they end up with boots on the ground?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No?
unidentified		No, go ahead.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm far more interested in what you've got to say.
unidentified		You said they, you mean Americans?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, no, I don't think so.
		But there's a significant chance that the Israelis will go in.
		If Trump decides not to, it's one of the reasons why I think Trump will decide to bomb.
		Because if the Israelis are going to destroy Fordow...
		But then that creates dynamics that could end up being more destabilizing than if we just went in with the bunker busters.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So we're going to have planes over and around, like American planes?
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And if an American plane gets shot down, is that perceived differently then?
		In the eyes of the American people, does that change things entirely?
		If an American plane gets brought down, are they going to look at it differently than if we were to send boots on the ground?
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
unidentified		Don't you?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
		I'm just curious about it because I can only go through what it looks like reflected back at me.
		And most of the people that I interact with are kind of given the platform that Trump ran on.
		No wars in his first term, peace through diplomacy, foreign policy through diplomacy.
		And what you're seeing right now, one of the questions that I had was like, would he have handled this differently if he was in a first term and seeking a second term?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Remember in his first term when he struck Soleimani and he said to take out?
		So those are two things that really kind of cast him as credible when he makes a use of force threat.
		And I think that this particular issue, he will in the future use this as the evidence that he's willing to use.
		He's still willing to use force because of how powerful the United States military is.
		That comes with, that threat comes with real danger, but I think that he will not, he'll still try to avoid using force, and he's going to use this as his quote-unquote trump card to be like, ah, you don't know, maybe I will.
		I'm crazy like that.
unidentified		It's a credibility enhancer if he does it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the story from the AP.
		Pentagon senior advisor Dan Caldwell ousted during investigation into leaks.
		This is crazy.
		Oh, wait, this is an old story.
		How did we get this into the mix?
		I don't know.
		This is an old story.
		Let's jump to the next story.
		I don't know.
		Someone put that in the mix and then I read it.
		I'm basically Ron Burgundy.
		I'll read whatever's on the prompter.
		We got this story from Times Now News.
		J.D. Vance was suspended minutes after joining Blue Sky.
		Here's why.
		They say Vice President J.D. Vance's Blue Sky account was suspended within minutes of him joining the platform.
		His post criticized medical treatments for trans youth and claimed pharmaceutical influence over healthcare decisions.
		His account has now been reinstated.
		So this is actually pretty fascinating.
		J.D. Vance tweeted this out.
		Let me see if I can pull up his tweets on the matter.
		His ex-post on the Blue Sky.
		He wrote, Hello, Blue Sky.
		I've been told this app has become the place to go for common sense political discussion and analysis, so I'm thrilled to be here to engage with all of you.
		He then posted, A series of posts to that end, I found Justice Thomas' concurrence on the medical care for transgender youth quite illuminating.
		He argues that many of our so-called experts have used bad arguments and substandard science to push experimental therapies on our youth.
		I might add that many of those scientists are receiving substantial resources from Big Pharma to push these medicines on kids.
		What do you think?
		And they blocked him.
		After the story went viral, they brought him back.
		But what's funny is that Blue Sky was supposed to be – I remember talking to Jack Dorsey personally about this.
		He was like, look, we're going to make this Blue Sky crypto blockchain thing.
		That way everybody will be able to speak freely and now it is the most violent and censorious platform that exists.
		It is a literal hive of scum and villainy.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Twitter 2018 like trapped in a time loop on a separate app.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Empowered to police each other and themselves.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It was that way almost instantly.
		From the moment it went live, it was that way, especially once the election happened.
		It got way worse.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people were getting suspended immediately for saying, you know, not particularly racy stuff at all.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, and then a lot of the people, like, a lot of celebrities will end up, say, they'll make a big show of leaving X and going over to Blue Sky, and then they come back to X, because you can't actually have a discussion on Blue Sky with anyone.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		One of my favorite things about that is when they have their name on X is blah, blah, blah, at bsky, blah, blah, blah, and it's like they're making sure that you know I also have a Blue Sky account.
		Not that anyone on X is going to go to Blue Sky to find them.
		The people on Blue Sky that are interested in what they have to say are probably already following them.
		But yeah, I love the fact that they're just like, I'm on Blue Sky.
		You should follow me there.
		And everyone on X is like, no, that place is.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's a great place to go to mine content when people are angry at stuff.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		If you do work like we do, it's a fantastic platform.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It is the literal salt mines where you go to mine salt.
unidentified		Reminds me of Tumblr.
unidentified		Almost exactly like Tumblr.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's where it all went wrong.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Tumblr.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just like every conservative attempt at making some alternative Twitter, it just didn't work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why Elon just bought it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Not everybody has that option, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think what we end up seeing from platforms like Blue Sky is that that's a cult.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Remember, Blue Sky ran Jack off because Jack Dorsey...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Because he had his mini-libertarian phase for a while.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and he was thinking that he was like, oh, Blue Sky is going to be like this, blah, blah, blah.
		And they literally ran him off.
		They're like, get out of here, Jack Dorsey, you're a Nazi.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Proves that he doesn't understand the people that he courted all that well.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe he just thinks that he's got magical powers.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This time it'll work.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		He does kind of have that look about him.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just throw apps at it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Throw apps at it until one finally sticks without turning into a police.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Is this held in the same regard that you can't ban a public official on X?
		Wasn't that a thing for a while?
		You can't ban the profile of a public official because the public has the right to engage with them?
		You can still ban them?
unidentified		Yep.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I thought they banned Trump because he was no longer in office.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it was a big issue when Laura Loomer was running for office and they banned her on all these platforms.
		And it's like, you're giving free airtime to her political rival while blocking.
		That's crazy that these companies are doing that.
		The loose guy invites it, I guess.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of people have kind of fallen by the wayside on that because it seems like the tech bros have kind of tried to cozy up to the right since Trump came back to office, right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But it doesn't mean that, you know, next election cycle comes around and they lose that they won't go right back to the way they were before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose the bigger question is, how do you break people out of the cult?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		as like you yourself, like how do you as a person do it to somebody else?
		It's always, to me, been the same thing.
		you have to do it yourself.
		Like you cannot be led to that information by yourself because when somebody leads you to that information, your hackles are up and somebody's already, The best thing that a person can do is go seek new information on their own.
		But most people don't go and do that.
		I would argue that most people that shift politically probably get there because maybe somebody showed them one thing one time.
		They didn't think much of it, but they went on that journey themselves and they had to get to that information themselves.
		They couldn't be led there by another person.
		It feels like a fool's errand to try.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think this characteristic is largely what defines what we would call the left or liberals in that they're not looking for stats.
		They tend just to agree with whatever the other part of the crowd agrees with.
		And so you end up with violent echo chambers that ban the vice president when he cordially and politely brought up a major Supreme Court ruling.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean the same thing comes true when you go look at the protests and stuff like that.
		Call and response.
		You're not allowed to actually go and have a discussion with them because they understand that most of the time their arguments fall flat when you try to engage with someone honestly and you have a different viewpoint.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yo, it is wild.
		The protests I've been to, you walk up.
		I'm at one of these protests and these people have no idea.
		This is years ago.
		Let's go back 10 years.
		You walk up to some guy.
		And you'll just say, hey man, how's it going?
		And he'll be like, can I ask you some questions?
		Someone will immediately run to you and go, no, no, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop talking.
		And I was in San Bernardino and there were Trump supporters on one side and Antifa and Farnes on the other.
		And I walked over to the far left side and people were standing around and I was like, hey, how's it going?
		You guys want to tell me what the protest is about?
		Immediately a woman ran up and started chanting, Mike, check, Mike, check.
		And they all start, they want to make sure you cannot get information to them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That mic check stuff is insane.
		They just sit there and start repeating the things that each other said.
		It's craziness.
unidentified		What is your answer to your question?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How do you break people from the cult?
		I don't know if there's a classically liberal or traditionally liberal way to do it.
		Perhaps.
		I don't know.
unidentified		Isn't that your mission here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, largely the mission is just to kind of break down what's going on in the world and try and discuss it with the most accuracy possible and then our opinions on the matter.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The internet as it is right now, it's like everything is so algorithmically programmed that the people that want this information are going to find it.
		And the people that want a different set of information, albeit maybe less accurate, are going to go find it wherever they go because their computer, their phone is telling them this is what you like looking at.
		So it's going to feed you more of the same thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's no good answer.
		I can say, based on the facts of the case, it is clear.
		Whatever it is that is our side, the moderate to right-leaning side, has a bias in reality.
		Reality has a right-wing bias, as I would describe it.
		And the left does not.
		The problem is, both sides are saying the exact same thing.
		The left says people on the right are lying and making things up and it's all fake news and it's a cult.
		And then we are saying quite similarly about them.
		The fact is we are correct, however.
		And the easiest way to break that down is the right is a disparate hodgepodge group of random ideologies.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Look at what's going on right now with Iran and Israel.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There's people on all sides of the right arguing about what's going on and whether it's the right thing to do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the cultists are trying to discredit the anti-war side, which is the weirdest thing.
		So two great examples.
		Jon Stewart mocked Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jack Posobiec, and Charlie Kirk, who are all anti-intervention with the war in Iran.
		Why?
		Jon Stewart says, well, credit where credit is due.
		You know, we shouldn't engage in these protracted quagmires in the Middle East.
		But hold on there!
		And then mocked and belittled them.
		These people are bad.
		Don't listen to them.
		Then Jon Stewart comes out and goes, you know, I don't like war, but if you actually were listening to, say, Jack Posobiec, or Steve Bannon is a better example, he's going to be like, no war, no, no, no, never.
		Jon Stewart will say, no war, no war.
		Wait a minute, what's that?
		They attacked who?
		Well, now we have no choice.
		Sam Seed is another example.
		He made a video attacking me, calling my anti-intervention stance a grift.
		For what purpose?
		There are people who are Trump supporters who were tweeting up, no new wars under Trump, vote for Trump.
		And now that Trump is talking about a strike in Iran, they're saying, I trust my president.
		And it's like, go after the hypocrites.
		But the point is, discredit.
		So they're not, I think the issue largely is that these liberals, they're very pro-war.
		And like we saw in the 2000s, the goal of the media narrative will be to convince people why war is necessary if that's going to be the plan of the United States.
		So attack anybody who is staunchly opposed to it and then play the moderate voice that reluctantly says, I guess we have to go to war.
unidentified		What do you think the – where's the source of the power of what you're calling the cultists?
		So it seems to me that it's more than just control of the internet.
		There's a whole ecosystem and an economic system built around it, starting with the universities.
		I have my own view.
		I mean, I would say that what we're up against is progressivism.
		It's an ideology.
		Yeah.
		And even a theology.
		Yeah.
		Not everyone is going to see the theology, so let's just call it an ideology.
		But it's the entire ideology of all the universities.
		Big business has gone in for it, not because it's really sincere about it, but because they figure that the right will be with them automatically, and they can buy the left with some wokeness.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they did that after Occupy Wall Street, they had to shift their business model, what they call rainbow capitalism.
unidentified		Right, yeah, they shift their business model.
		And they thought there would be nothing to pay for that.
		The conservatives would never account for that.
		So if you want to break the cult, it has to be more than just an informational effort.
		There has to be an economic effort as well.
		I'm asking.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So where do you believe the power is?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at it this way.
		If you were to take all of the political factions, put them in a big circle, you'd get a yin-yang.
		There's light and there's dark, and within lightness there is darkness, and within darkness there is light.
		The power base of the liberal structures, it's an amorphous group of individuals, and it's a murmuration.
		By moving together, they become a powerful force, similarly to what the right is, but the right is a bit more disparate.
		On the right, you have nodes.
		Of different ideologies that have moved together because of the insanity of the left.
		They've actually cost themselves a good amount of their political power.
		Right now what we're seeing is Democrats staging arrests, like intentionally trying to get arrested because they have no policies to campaign on, so they just attack cops.
		We've seen this three times now.
		Three times now.
		Democrats have attacked cops, getting arrested, and I think what happened was the first ICE arrests we saw with McIver and Baraka, This was an accident.
		They got into a fight with cops, got arrested, saw something and said, hey, that worked.
		Then Padilla says, I'm going to play.
		He charges in, screaming, gets thrown to the ground.
		Then you get, was it Lander in New York?
		He's like, let's go.
		And Trump won't charge them.
		I think that's a large component of the problem.
		The Trump DOJ did go after McIver, but my understanding right now could be wrong.
		They're not charging Padilla and they're not charging Lander.
		They dropped the charges.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They need to go after him.
		Just throw the book at him.
		So one of the issues I would say right now is there are a lot of personalities on social media that produce fake news intentionally.
		This has been the case for some time.
		There was a period during the first Trump cycle.
		Where there were websites that were literally writing fake news.
		These were not Trump supporters, but they were trying to manipulate Trump supporters to get clicks, largely boomers.
		And they would write one story that went really viral, I remember, was ambulance blocked by far-left protesters on highway.
		Woman dies.
		And it was two guys that were in, I think, like Tempe, that would just make up fake stories, put them on their website, post them to Facebook, and then get millions of views.
		Because it was confirmation bias.
		And Facebook eventually shut this down and said, you can't do this.
		The issue is YouTube never did.
		YouTube has shut down some stuff, but largely what we've seen from the left is they've just adapted to how they do the fake news.
		So now you have people on YouTube that will produce to hundreds of thousands of views fake news by pulling Trump out of context.
		Daily Show is a great example.
		They actually, in their criticism of Bannon, Connected two different sentences before they were completed and cut them together to make a fake statement from Bannon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's unreal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was nuts because Bannon didn't say the thing they claimed he said.
		They made a fake quote up.
		And this is going to be on YouTube and it's going to get hundreds of thousands of views and YouTube lets it happen.
		But here's the question.
		Should YouTube be in the game of taking those things down?
		That's tough.
		Because if you say that YouTube should have the power to censor what they think is fake news, they will just start getting rich people on the right as they were doing before.
		Then what's the other response?
		Should the right just do the same thing the left is doing?
		Welcome to hell, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, wouldn't the proper course of action there be for Bannon to sue?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't sue for it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You can't sue for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the issue is they're a comedy show that no one would expect to believe is true.
		Now, what The Daily Show and other shows like it do...
		They say the facts are correct and now we're going to insult them for it.
		That's what the average person thinks it is.
		What it actually is is we've fabricated a set of events that we can make fun of for your entertainment.
		But most people don't realize that.
		My idea is we're working on a project.
		We're just going to make fake videos of Jon Stewart and other liberals saying really off-putting things because it's comedy.
		And we're going to call it Comedy Sketch News.
		And we're going to show videos of them saying it.
		And it's going to be funny.
		Now, here's the issue.
		I was talking to my team and I was like, let's make a video where Jon Stewart will use AI.
		We'll make it look as real as we can.
		And then we'll call it Comedy Sketch News.
		You can tell it's comedy.
		And then I will say, I can't believe Jon Stewart would say something so off-putting and offensive and honestly gross.
		Can you believe it?
		I don't think anyone could believe it.
		But there's the video.
		Obviously the implication being, it's real.
		But I literally said I could not believe that it was real.
		You can't sue me, right?
		But what happens then, if we put a video like that out, someone will clip out the Jon Stewart just said whatever it was.
		And it'll be permanent and forever.
		That's what The Daily Show does to all of us and everybody else.
		But no one on the right wants to do it to them.
		And so you wonder why it is the left believes psychotic nonsense.
		This is the world they live in.
		In fact, I've got proof.
		Let's jump to this beautiful tweet from crazy Eric Swalwell.
		Trump's America.
		For those just tuning in, I was just explaining how the left media is basically fiction.
		We were talking about it yesterday that liberals base their view of reality on movies and TV shows.
		A great example is what liberals think suppressors do.
unidentified		They think you get a suppressor and it goes pew, pew, pew.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, anybody who's fired a gun knows it certainly does not do that.
		What happens?
		They ban them.
		They put them on the NFA.
		Take a look at this video that Eric Swalwell posted of Trump's America.
unidentified		I had a really good time today.
unidentified		Yeah, me too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing?
unidentified		She's coming with us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
unidentified		I'm your Republican congressman.
		Now that we're in charge, we're rounding up illegals.
		She was born here!
		She's a citizen!
		I don't care.
		She looks like one of them.
		But don't worry.
		When she's in prison in El Salvador, she'll have lots of company.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is the implication that he's going to rape her?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When he like leans up to her face and says that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's probably what it is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It then says, the homegrowns are next, Donald Trump, April 14th, 2025.
		This is the psychotic and deranged world liberals live in because they can't tell the difference between, and obviously the pundits are going to be like, of course we know it's a skid, it's to make a point, but many of the older liberals, people I know, think this is real.
		The example that I love to use, Hassan Piker.
		Did not know that Abrego Garcia was from El Salvador.
		This is a guy who's got one of the top streams in the world who genuinely thought Trump arrested an American citizen and sent him to El Salvador.
		And that's what they say in this video.
		How do you break this so that liberals stop getting fed these lies?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You can't in that situation.
		The funniest thing about that one was you have to actually show them side by side the amount of headlines that suspiciously use the phrase Maryland man, which makes no sense.
		It's like when you look at the videos that were made by news networks during That's a level of taking ownership of your own life experience and how you get information that is unique to somebody who actually cares
		about these things beyond just the idea that they're right and that the other side is evil.
		Approach it from the side of actually wanting to get information because you think it affects you and the world.
		Which would lead you down a path to the idea that some things that you believe or that you've been told are wrong.
		But that means it's a lot of work.
		And for the most part, what you were saying earlier, like, where does the power come from?
		I think when the average everyday American is busy and they've got stuff to do, they for decades have been trained to believe that the talking head on television, the guy wearing the suit, is going to tell them the accurate information because that's a trust in the institutions that's been instilled in them since they were young.
		That's why the boomers are more.
		Now, that doesn't mean that they don't fall victim to it as well in the age of TikTok, but it does mean that one generation specifically is more prone to that.
		And like you mentioned earlier, the colleges, the institutions, it's been reinforced to them at every level.
		But there is a sense that you have to be kind of your own arbiter for how to get your information that I think precludes a lot of what's going on in the left.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The right doesn't make videos like this.
		Conservatives have traditionally insulted and mocked artists.
		And it's only recently they've kind of chilled out on doing this and then started to actually come up in this space.
		Daily Wire did a pretty good job.
		I don't know if they're going to continue it.
		Angel Studios does a really great job with their films.
unidentified		Daily Wire's not going to continue it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if they are.
unidentified		They're making the movies?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it seems like there's a big shakeup over the Daily Wire and so they've changed things around.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's a hard path to continue because I tend to be critical of those types of projects because as left-leaning as most artists in Hollywood are, at least it used to be the case that they started from a place of being an artist first and then their views kind of trickled into the art that they were making.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Whereas when the right tries to make art simply for the sake of making the political opposite, it rarely turns out well.
unidentified		Yeah, right-wing art is...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not talking about Tolkien.
		I'm not talking about Lord of the Rings.
		I'm talking about the stuff that is made now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess to be fair, it's all right-wing art these days.
		Harry Potter is right-wing.
		Tolkien is right-wing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Anything that has winners and losers in it is right-wing.
		Anything that has hierarchy that's not, you know, smashed is right wing.
		I mean, literally everything nowadays is right wing except for like.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I just saw Joe Biden hanging out with Alan Richson from Reacher.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he showed up.
		It did look like a photo where Biden wandered onto the set.
		He looks completely clueless as to what's going on in Hunter Biden.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's going to be in season three of Reacher?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Season four.
		I don't think he'll show up.
		That'd be hilarious if he didn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're filming season four?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Season three is out?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Season three is out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like six months ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even see season two.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Season wasn't the best of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's probably why.
unidentified		You guys don't feel that things got better since the Trump election?
		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		Since Elon Musk took over X?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's definitely got better.
		I mean, people need to recognize just how much better things have gotten.
		I think it's important not to always be so black-pilled, but the gender issue has largely inverted.
		Yeah.
		Retard is back.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hey, look, it is a useful word.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It has a meaning totally separate from any kind of insult, and it is a useful word.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's market.
		It's competition.
		When Elon bought Twitter, turned it into X, and said, we're going to bring back a bunch of people, he changed the threshold.
		So what had happened was everybody was racing to the bottom.
		If you were on Facebook and you said a naughty word, you'd get banned.
		YouTube would then freak out and be like, well, we don't want to host a person saying naughty words, so we'll ban him too.
		Elon said, I'll bring him back.
		Other networks then said, wait, wait, wait, wait, don't leave, don't leave, don't leave.
		So I wonder about YouTube in this regard because Rumble has actually done a big jab at YouTube.
		Rumble has several of the top ten, I think when it comes to news, Rumble's got all of them.
		Let me check actually.
		Let's do our latest update.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		As in the biggest news shows?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Live streams.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Live streams, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so right now in the top ten, Rumble has two of the top ten live streams in the country of all streams.
		That's Tim Castile and Steven Crowder.
		And then in the top 25...
		But if we do news, let's go to news.
		Rumble's got, in the top 10, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 60% of the biggest live streams in news in the U.S. are on Rumble.
		That is because YouTube intentionally banned news channels.
		For a long time.
		If you're talking news, you are out.
		They intentionally prop up things that are not news.
		And the worst thing is, this is where I say, like, we're in trouble.
		I think Miss Rachel is one of the most demonic, evil things on the internet.
		Cocomelon as well.
		And YouTube doesn't care.
		Humans are incredibly susceptible to these two are two.
		Gutting ourselves and destroying ourselves with this psychotic content.
unidentified		I'm an old man.
unidentified		I don't know what Coco Melon and Rachel are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Ritz Rachel's a really great example.
		I think she is absolutely...
		Personally, she could be very nice.
		Professionally, I think she should delete her channel and she should stop doing what she's doing.
		It's disgusting.
		She makes videos where the thumbnail will have, like, a minute count in the top right.
		It'll say, like, 30 minutes, 40 minutes, an hour.
		Parents then take an iPad, say, I gotta do 40 minutes to do the laundry.
		They'll find a video, hit it, put it in front of their baby, and leave.
		It is demonic.
		It is going to fry the brains of these kids.
		It is frying their brains.
		And it is terrifying.
		She doesn't care.
		She's a millionaire.
		She makes tons of money.
		She's going to keep justifying what she does.
		Cocomelon is not too different.
		Parents turn on these tablets, put it in front of their baby, and leave, and they don't understand.
		They don't get it.
		The system that we are building with social media is going to create a generation of retards.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Broken children.
unidentified		Yep.
		I drugged my kids until they were 18. I didn't seem to...
		They're doing fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How old are they now?
unidentified		21 and 25. I would...
unidentified		I'm sorry, 22 and 25. I'm going to get in trouble for that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or like doctor prescribed?
unidentified		Johnny Walker.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You gave your kids booze when they were children?
		The thing is, I would say that when you look at the generational trends, I think it's pretty obvious to see...
		And so I'm not going to have any of that for my daughter.
		And you take a look now at what's going on with the algorithms, and I think it is going to be in the next 10 or 15 years.
		Mark my words.
		Clip this segment right now.
		Take it.
		Post it.
		Store it.
		And just wait.
		2018 was Elsagate 1. Okay?
		That's seven years ago.
		Give it 11 more years and you are going to see the most psychotic generation imaginable.
		Children who in their most important formative years were not watching adults fix cars or pick up the laundry.
		They were watching Spider-Man inject pregnant Elsa with a syringe for hours a day as babies.
		The Elsagate stuff wasn't just Elsa running around, getting stabbed by Joker with Spider-Man.
		It devolved into children eating feces and drinking out of urinals and other grotesque things.
		There were Peppa Pig videos of Peppa Pig getting run over by cars and mutilated and then eaten.
		Just psychotic deranged things.
		And this was around 2018 on YouTube.
		And they said, whoa, okay, this algorithmically generated stuff being fed to kids is bad.
		Take out the weird gore and the eating of feces, and now it's fine, which it's not.
		Parents were putting tablets in front of their kids and pressing play, and YouTube would start with something like a nursery rhyme, but then autoplay would eventually bring them to Peppa Pig eating feces.
		And their babies are watching this.
		Two-year-olds are watching this.
		The two-year-olds would mash the screen and all the comments were gibberish.
		People started to realize this is babies just smacking the iPad.
		YouTube said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
		As long as it's not weird, it's fine to fry their brains.
		So YouTube actually promotes and allows this to the tunes of hundreds of millions of views.
		Ten years from now, 20 years from now, we are going to have a generation.
		Let me tell you this.
		We're already seeing the effects.
		You combine this with the COVID lockdowns, we've got kids who are like nine years old who can't read.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And having their most consistent conversations with AI now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And drawing actual emotional responses from people when they can't have those conversations with real humans.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know who won't have this problem?
		China.
		China.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		My hope is that as Gen Z grows up, I guess they're having kids now, but the point being that growing up with technology the way they have is that they are more acutely aware of how much damage it can do, and the hope would be that when they start having kids that they do not let their kids have access to technology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that's Gen Z. What do you mean?
		Gen Z, when these things were coming to fruition, Gen Z was of the age to recognize how insane it was.
		Gen Alpha was not.
		So what we're seeing now is Gen Z turning away from this, becoming more religious.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's what I mean.
		But Gen Alpha is going to be a bunch of lunatics.
		Yeah, like the hope would be that the generation after, those generation betas are going to have to hopefully— Yeah.
		Are they changing it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's Bravo.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No, it's literally Beta.
unidentified		Was it?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty sure it was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's find out.
unidentified		Is it the...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay, you're right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's an alternative to Generation Beta.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, they didn't want to get stuck with the label.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, nobody wants to be Beta.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing is, by the time they're old enough to understand it, that term won't be in fashion anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's so dumb because they mean the same thing.
		Beta turned into a bad thing because you're a Beta.
		The funny thing is anybody who knows about the social hierarchy of males knows that beta was actually a positive thing.
		The Betas are the lieutenants.
		And then you have beneath that, like, the Delta, which is the average run-of-the-mill guy.
		And it was the Gamma and Omega males that were considered the creepy incel losers.
		But now Beta just means incel loser, I guess.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's weird, because if you're Delta in America, you're one of the most dangerous people in the world.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		Let's jump to the story from CNN.
		Supreme Court upholds Tennessee's ban on gender-affirming care for trans youths.
		This is what J.D. Vance was talking about when he got...
		banned temporarily from Blue Sky.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They say the 6-3 decision by a conservative majority is a major blow to the transgender community and its advocates at a critical time.
		Since 2020, Republican-led states around the country have passed a wave of laws regulating the lives of trans Americans with a particular focus on minors.
		And President Trump, who ran for re-election in part by ending the transgender lunacy, has taken several steps and tended to roll back gains made by that community.
		So they say roughly half the states have similar bans.
		I believe this is the first step.
		Maybe not the first, but we are very close to a nationwide ban.
		I think it's entirely possible that the Supreme Court could ban it outright.
		No more mutilation of children.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I like that.
		The idea that we have to continue to make believe that this is possible while they're literally ruining the lives of children is insane.
		There is no such thing as a trans child.
		I don't care what anyone says.
		And the Supreme Court got this right.
		The fact that there were three justices that were on the wrong side of this shows how useless they are as justices.
		Yeah, that's about all I got on this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So in this context, I want to explain to you what transgender is while stepping out of the political space.
		I'd like to pull this up here.
		This is r slash reality shifting.
		Serge just said, oh, no.
		Reality shifting is a community of people online who believe they have the ability to transport their consciousness into an alternate reality.
		The things they believe get dangerous.
		In one of the posts on Reddit, they say when you die in your current reality, don't worry.
		You don't die.
		Your consciousness will just shift to another reality.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The TikToks on this are crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're going massively viral.
		Reality-shifting TikToks are where they're more viral, of course.
		And you may be saying, well, what does that have to do with transgender?
		Let me explain.
		Obviously, you know nobody can transport their consciousness to another reality.
		Maybe if we first discover that parallel realities exist through science and then build a machine where you can literally do it, maybe that's possible.
		But the idea that you can lock yourself in a closet, close your eyes and go, it's impossible.
		That's called imagination, not reality shifting.
		So what happens is, 15-year-olds go online.
		They hate their life.
		They hate school.
		They're going through puberty.
		They're awkward, whatever it may be.
		Depressed, angry.
		And they say, why does my life suck?
		Well, guess what?
		Someone's got the answer for you.
		And it is that you're in the wrong reality.
		Did you know this?
		You are trapped in the wrong reality.
		You need only close your eyes and focus and believe the things we tell you.
		And you can shift into the correct reality.
		You're trans reality, unfortunately.
		That's right.
		Now, this sounds insane.
		And we can tell it's insane.
		The gender thing is no different.
		The only problem, liberals have adopted it as if it were true.
		We are only a few years away from...
		We are years away if this is the trend where doctors providing reality shifting care will bring you to a hospital bed and put you in an induced coma so you can transport to your desired reality like in the show The OA.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Canada will do this for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they'll just kill you.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is actually, this is the premise of the OA, right?
		Like you die and then you transport to an alternate reality.
		And so people think, this is literally a TV show that children think are real.
		Think is real.
		And there's even talk of self-harm in this because it transports you to another reality.
		The way they describe it is psychotic.
		They say things like, when you close your eyes, you can temporarily enter the, first you go into the void state.
		Where you're in blackness, and then you'll emerge in a desired reality only temporarily as a dreamwalker.
		Unless you die.
		That's what they think.
		Now again, the point is, trans is the same.
		A teenager who's awkward, who feels depressed, is weird, goes on the internet and they say, maybe you're a girl.
		And the little boy's like, what is that?
		And like, transgender.
		Look.
		What we learned from, we had Helena Kirshner on the show.
		She said what happened was she goes on, I think it was Tumblr, and she was angsty and depressed, and someone commented, maybe it's because you're trans, just abruptly for no reason.
		And she was like, what is that?
		They explained it to her, and they said, look, don't take my word for it.
		Why don't you just, like, put on some boyish clothes right now, no big deal, take a picture and see how you feel.
		So she went, okay, and she put on jeans and a t-shirt, took a picture, posted it, and they said, You look so cool.
		Wow.
		That is the coolest thing ever.
		You're amazing.
		So beautiful.
		Now how do you feel?
		And she went, I feel really good.
		Because they were love bombing her.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then said, see, it's because you're trans.
		Why don't you cut your hair short?
		See how you feel then.
		She goes, okay.
		Cuts her hair short.
		Posts a picture.
unidentified		Oh, you look so good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're so, oh man, you're beautiful.
		You're amazing.
		We love you.
		And she goes, wow.
		And they go, how do you feel now?
		She goes, I feel really good.
		They're like, yep, you're trans.
		That's proof.
		She said she went to Planned Parenthood.
		In 15 minutes, they gave her the maximum dose of testosterone.
		This is where society is going.
		Best of luck.
		This is why I was saying Miss Rachel and Coco Mellon and its other kids stuff on the internet is no different.
		It's the same detached from reality psychobabble garbage.
		And kids are going to attach their brains to it and they're not going to function properly.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and not only that, when it comes to at least Miss Rachel, she started jumping into politics as well.
		And it's bad enough that it's not really all that nourishing content for kids in the first place, but then to be shoving into it political opinions for whatever, toddlers or something.
		Yeah, no thanks.
		I don't want my kid watching that stuff.
unidentified		I want to say a few things, but I don't because I have friends who have transgender.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not after tonight.
unidentified		No, but it's...
		How can I say this without insulting?
		I mean, there's no way I can not insult them, but it really amazed me, and I still don't understand it now.
		Anybody my age...
		YEAH.
		Let's see, the vast majority don't believe.
		And yet, they do.
		I have friends who have supported their children in this.
		I'm talking about children who are over the age of 18. But – and they clearly were uncomfortable with it but felt that they had to go along with it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There's – What was the calculation?
unidentified		And I just want to say, I originally thought they were just going along with the ideology to be accepted and not to go against the grain.
		But when your own children are mutilated or their lives are ruined...
		They have actually assimilated it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I have a question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If someone was suffering from suicidal ideation because they were suffering from what we would call dimensional displacement, what's the treatment for it?
unidentified		Yeah, psychiatric treatment.
unidentified		Drugs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, depending on the severity of their threats of self-harm, we lock them up.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when a kid claims they're in the wrong body and they need to be altered because they're actually a koala bear, do we give them surgery to make them a koala bear?
		No.
		There's no difference on race or gender when a person who is a 6 '3 white man who weighs 220 and goes, I am a woman.
		It's like, that's no difference than saying you're a raccoon or you're suffering from dimensional displacement.
		It is not a fact.
		It is not a reality.
		And the issue is, we have created a medical treatment, the only, the only DSM-5, as far as I know, that affirmation is the treatment.
		If you, if you, Pica is my favorite example.
		DSM-5, you know what Pica is?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's when you eat things in our food.
unidentified		How did you know I didn't know that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Pica?
unidentified		I didn't see that.
		It's the only time you've asked me, do I know?
		I didn't know.
		Did my face show it, or you just sensed?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The assumption is that most people have not heard of the term pica.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		What is a pica?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Pica is when you eat things that aren't food.
		Some people eat hair.
		Some people eat pennies.
		Nails.
		Nails.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And really messed up stuff.
		Should we affirm them?
		Well, I can see you're eating rocks again.
		Well, I don't want you to feel depressed or upset.
		You gotta eat the rocks.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There isn't a pica lobby.
unidentified		Right.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
		The other thing that I think it is when it comes to parents is that society now, because think of your Facebook mom groups in the way that everybody is now kind of viewed.
		The idea is like everybody's running for president all the time.
		You have to be perfect all the time.
		You don't get to employ your own methods for parenting without being under the scrutiny of everybody else, not just in your friends group, but whoever may interact with your kids down the line.
unidentified		And somewhere along the line— I took for the Johnny Walker and the baby.
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Right now, if you're a parent and you don't unconditionally support everything your kids do, you will be viewed as a bad parent not doing your job and you will be ostracized.
		I think women especially will fall victim to this with the Facebook mom groups and the need for women to be part of the social cohesion and the way that they interact with one another enforces a certain level of conformity amongst all of them.
		And that's where a lot of this starts is that you aren't allowed to be.
		Your own autonomous parent anymore without having to worry about the judgment and sometimes the intervention of people, of the state and people who might get the state involved.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing that I'm most scared about about becoming a dad is the idea of me wanting to do something with my kid or not wanting my kid to see something or whatever and then having to deal with the state.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the last thing I want.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not so much the state right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's insurance companies.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Insurance companies are one of the biggest threats to human civilization, and I think people need to understand that.
		Depending on the medical treatments your child will get, you will be cut off from hospitals and doctors.
		Yep.
		There are certain things where they're like, here's some medication we want to give to your child.
		And they go, if you don't get it, you will be blacklisted from every medical provider because they're an insurance company.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I feel like the left and the right can come to you.
		Maybe not everybody agrees that we should have universal health care, but we can all agree that insurance companies are pretty much evil.
		As much as you...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We can agree to that stuff, but that doesn't mean...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue is humans in general.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a system.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
		I'm not saying that everybody's going to agree on what the solution is and God knows that getting the government involved rarely helps anything because it doesn't help anything ever.
		But to look at what's going on right now with insurance companies and pretend like that isn't a problem is also ridiculous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we should make a dimensionally displaced lobby.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Dimensionally displaced lobby.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like, you know what we could do?
		We could hire Alex Stein to go to like...
		Yeah.
		Like we can hire Alex Stein to go lobby for the dimensional displacement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These kids are depressed because they're actually supposed to be popular and beloved.
		And the reason they're not is because they're temporarily in the wrong dimension.
		And if they were given the proper treatment, induced coma, they could reality shift into the dimension where they're...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There was never an Otherkin lobby.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There could have been an Otherkin lobby.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, I don't want it to do with Otherkins.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But are you talking about the more reasonable of the, and that's a stretch?
unidentified		Yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, what are you talking about?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, because there's the people who think they're dragons and the people who think they're monkeys.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And werewolves.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's like, so Otherkin was a big trend.
		It still kind of is.
		And it's effectively trans-species.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're going to laugh, but it's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are people who walk around with fake cat ears and tails in their pants.
		They believe they're animals.
		This is not furries, by the way.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Not the same thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not the same thing.
		And there have been people who have surgically altered themselves to be animals.
		Are we going to start providing them with species-affirming care?
unidentified		Nope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you guys remember the transgender, trans-species tiger woman, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		An adult human man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Got surgeries to look like a tiger, split his lip, got metal plates put in for whiskers, pointed the ears, shaved the teeth down, and then got a sex change to be a female tiger, and then committed suicide.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Good grief.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That came to an abrupt end.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And guess what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fair to say the reason why suicide rates are high among trans people is because of the treatment.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so what we find is the science shows...
		Here's the issue.
		Desistance is the...
		that means that a person who is trans simply stops being trans, called desist.
		Trans children, children who are suffering from or diagnosed with gender dysphoria, So that means if your 10-year-old is suffering from dysphoria, do nothing.
		By the time they're 13, they'll be like, I don't even remember what that was.
		The problem is they're now trying to do gender-affirming care on these kids and give them drugs and surgeries.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Reinforces it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What happens?
		It locks them in, reinforces it, and then they end up suffering extremely high suicidality.
		Because of the treatments.
unidentified		When I was a boy, I grew up in Indiana, and I used to get sick from nerves.
		If I had a test or a baseball game or something, I wouldn't be able to go to the bathroom and so on.
		They sent me to the hospital for a week of tests and then decided that it was all in my head.
		And then my mother took me to the doctor, and the doctor sat me down and said, It's all in your head.
		And you have to learn to get over it.
		And I think it's one of the greatest things that ever happened to me.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Now they would give you a medication.
unidentified		No, that's the whole thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now they'd be like, you're a girl.
unidentified		If I grew up today, I would have been severely medicated or something.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Either that or your parents would have lost you.
		They'd have come and taken you away from your parents, you know, if they didn't, if you didn't do or if they didn't do the things that the state said they should, which is.
		Yeah, they are.
unidentified		By the way, I have an uncle, my aunt's husband, who has out-of-body experiences.
		And he's a scientist, now a retired scientist.
		And he wrote a book about it.
		And in that community, it has kind of a special status because he's a scientist.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So like lucid dreaming?
unidentified		He says no.
		He actually leaves his body.
		And then he has like a golden umbilical cord that connects you back to your physical body.
		And then over time, you can work with it and you become better.
		You can go further distances and everything.
		At first, it's very hard to learn how to navigate.
		But you get better over time.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan would love to have him on.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like Joe Rogan stuff.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that I have all that much valuable input on golden umbilical cords and stuff.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I'll have to do my research.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		To the astral plane and stuff.
		If Ian were here, he'd be.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't have anything for it, though.
unidentified		That's my contribution for the evening.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I feel like we've just dumped a bunch of social ills on you tonight.
		Here's all these things that are crazy in the world.
		Enjoy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's this viral video where a young boy is getting injected with puberty blockers by his dad.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's so crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just like...
		Look, the UK is conquered for their own reasons.
		The US, I think, is lost.
		We'll see if Trump can actually pull it off.
		But that's the issue with, say, like the big, beautiful bill.
		I talked to Rand Paul today.
		He said if he is deciding to vote, he will vote yes.
		And I'm like, that's good because the crisis we're facing right now goes well beyond whether there will be inflation.
		We're going to overspend.
		The debt will go up and inflation is going to happen.
		It's like, yeah, they're also sterilizing children.
		Among other things.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's weird, because when everything was going on, it feels like that was nine crises ago when everyone was discussing the different things that were in that bill.
		But maybe it's just me, but I never thought of Trump as fiscally prudent at all.
		No, he's not.
		He wasn't in his first term.
		That's not to say that that's good, it's just it wasn't something that I was expecting.
		I was going to wear the shirt that I got of Bill Clinton.
		When was the last time we had a balanced budget?
		Bill Clinton.
		But it's just I never thought of Trump as the dude who was going to come in for fiscal responsibility because for the most part, whoever's going to get elected is going to – it's not a good thing, but the deficit's going to get worse.
		And I don't know if there is a candidate that is electable that is actually going to be able to take a dent out of it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean at the risk of sounding like a – The Borg will win out.
		Yeah, I mean at the risk of sounding like a mouthpiece for the administration, like he never – He was never a fiscal conservative.
		Everybody that was pro-Trump knew very well that he was a Democrat.
unidentified		He likes the unions.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he does.
unidentified		That's the mindset, I think.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's like, I can work with him.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think part of it might be because the first thing that he seemed to go into doing when he took office was the doge cuts.
		So it became more of a discussion about fiscal responsibility for the government.
		And I was just like, so when does the spending start?
		Because I know the spending is going to start.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, the spending is definitely starting now.
		You know, I assume it's because that...
		But that's the same thing you hear every year.
		It doesn't matter what year it is.
		It's always the same refrain.
		Well, we have to do this to keep the government open and blah, blah, blah.
		And in this particular issue, there's like, well, you know, we need to go ahead and pass this funding bill so that way we can keep doing stuff with the border and blah, blah, blah.
		You know, it's like they're just referencing things that...
		So it's nothing new and nobody's surprised at all.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I guess I didn't expect anything except for maybe some tax cuts might happen.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Or like they have to ratify the 2017 tax cuts again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's important.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That was the only thing I thought was going to happen this entire cycle of president.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're probably right.
		It probably will be the only thing that happens.
		I mean, I could conceive of possibly getting some of the doge cuts, getting something passed with the doge cuts, but I don't know what the House and the Senate schedules are like, so I don't know for sure if they have time because their schedule is so crazy.
		So, I mean, like I said, I could conceive of it because I could imagine that there are Republicans that would be like, yeah, let's do this, and that I could see it getting passed, but I don't know if they're actually going to do anything, and to be honest with you, that should come as no surprise.
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brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No offense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love the Jocko ones.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
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phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Good job.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shady Chawaler says, I'm unsure if the possible Iranian visit to the White House will be a sign of peace or political theater.
		The fog of war is thick with all the Senate classified briefing next week.
		It feels like war.
unidentified		Yeah, maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Arsonist says, Tim, you're a bit harsh on Ted Cruz.
		He's a neocon, not a monster.
		I can fix him.
		Also, I was playing GTA 4 and Roman called me and said, you want to go watch Timcast together?
		You got to chill.
unidentified		Hey.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bye.
		He goes on to say, Is there anything you think you've changed on drastically?
		That was in 2018, so that counts today.
unidentified		How old are you?
unidentified		I am 39. I had two conversions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When?
unidentified		Hard to say exactly.
		One was political.
		It went from left to right.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		When was that?
unidentified		It really started when I got married and had kids.
unidentified		But I actually changed parties after 9-11.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		I voted for Al Gore.
		Oh, wow.
		Holding my nose.
		My thinking was out of sync with my behavior.
		I was a professor, though.
		I was in academia.
		So I was trying to make it in that world.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What were you a professor of?
unidentified		Middle Eastern Studies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Interesting.
unidentified		And then I converted religion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ah, to what?
unidentified		Catholicism.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Superior.
unidentified		You're Catholic?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, we just did a debate last week on various denominations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was largely Orthodox versus Catholic, and they were screaming at each other.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Tate came in for the show.
		He was like, man, they were yelling.
		He was like, no, there's something going on.
unidentified		I know, and it was like...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it was yelling, and they were speaking Latin.
		And I was like, I have no idea what's going on.
		Yep, I was like, what?
		I don't know that one.
		What were you before?
unidentified		Nothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ah, okay.
unidentified		My parents were Irish, but I'm on both sides of the divide.
unidentified		My dad was Catholic, and my mother was Protestant, and I was raised as nothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What made you convert?
unidentified		Well, when I got married, I committed to raise my kids Catholic.
		So I kind of just brought it all together.
		But I had long had the inclination to do it.
		It was like coming home.
		My dad was a non-practicing Catholic, but Catholicism to me seems like common sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am a lapsed Catholic.
		Come back.
		I was when I was little.
		I don't believe it.
		It's not there.
		So I'm not going to pretend to.
unidentified		My favorite line from the Bible is, I believe, I believe, oh Lord, help me in my unbelief.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, if I'm ever looking at a massive collapse of subscribers and a desperate move, need to grift, I'll just be like, oh Lord.
		I'm kidding.
		I think there's a lot of people who do that.
		I think you're right.
		They're like, oh, hey, look at me.
		I found God.
		And I'm like, well, you know, I'm not going to pretend.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I lost subscribers, so I found God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what the worst thing is about when people call me a grifter, and I'm like, I wish.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that term has no meaning anymore.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That just means you said something I don't like.
unidentified		That's right.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like, they can't imagine a world where somebody would say something they disagree with because they believe it, other than because it's some op against them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's hilarious.
		It's crazy how many words have been totally ruined because people just use them so carelessly and imprecisely.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the hardest things to prove, too, because you're actually saying that you know what's in that person's heart, that they don't believe what they're saying, and that's a very, very lofty claim to make against somebody.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's like sellout.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		T-Bomb says, new board idea.
		Have Tim write with a calligraphy pen the word merciless until he gets a good sample.
		Until he gets a good sample and slap that on a board.
		You know what?
		I can announce this.
		Let me see if I can pull this up.
unidentified		I didn't understand that at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Skateboards.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got t-shirts.
		Look at these boonies t-shirts.
		So if you guys want to get the boonies, look at that one.
		The American flag with skateboards.
		And it says boonies.
		And then we got this one.
		It's got a rooster.
		And it says skateboarding content and culture.
		So, plus, we are going to make shirts of the board graphics, and we're going to make Casper shirts of the coffee graphics, but without, like, the writing, of course.
		But, you know, these are the skateboards that we got.
		My favorite, of course, is the 28th Amendment.
		It says, chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep, bear, and breed chickens shall not be infringed.
		And if you own chickens, you must own one of these and hang it up.
		But Step on Snack and Find Out sells out all the time.
		We got one of those.
		But I will say this.
		Just in reference to the boards that the Superchip brought up.
		The next series, and if you know what it is, don't say it.
		It's going to be a surprise.
		The next series will be coming out hopefully in like the next few days or a week or so.
		We will get in a lot of trouble for them, but I imagine they'll sell out instantly over and over and over again.
		They're going to go fast.
		They're going to go fast.
		And I think people are going to get very mad at me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're going to get very mad.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it must be done!
		So, you know, it's going to be fun.
		Stay tuned.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		For the lulz, I guess.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, T-Rex Pet Shop said, You should have had a Mormon on the culture war.
		They believe they're the only true Christian church based on the original organization and doctrine restored in the latter days.
		They were wrong to say they're non-Christians.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mountain Jews.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We should do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We should do another debate where it's like Orthodox, Catholic, and Mormon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Get a Jehovah's Witness, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, honestly, I'd love to get a Scientologist to actually discuss Scientology.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They won't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They won't do it.
		They won't.
		And I know a lot of prominent Scientologists.
		I'm friends with some, and they won't.
		They will not admit it either.
		And when I say friends, it's not like I hang out every single day, but there are people that I talk to on a regular basis that I know are Scientologists, and I don't care, but they don't talk about it.
		They will not.
		And in several instances, we've had people actually say, nope.
		They're like, and if it comes up, I'll leave.
		And I'm like, okay.
		I don't really care about that.
		You know, we can talk about news and stuff, but I think it'd be great to actually have a Scientologist talk about what they believe.
		I don't know why you don't hear it.
		Like, honest question.
		Shouldn't they be on shows being like, here's our actual belief structure?
		Guess not.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
unidentified		I stopped by one of their, the one in Hollywood.
		I was walking by their center there.
		This was years ago.
		And I tried to, I was curious too, so I just wanted to have a conversation.
		But they start sucking you in.
		They make you fill out stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I bought the book.
unidentified		I got bored very quickly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I bought Dianetics.
unidentified		And?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I kind of laughed after the first chapter and then stopped reading out of boredom.
		So I was skateboarding down Hollywood.
		And there was a guy waving and, you know, I got nothing else to do.
		So I stopped and he was like, are you familiar with Dianetics?
		And I was like, that's like a precursor to Scientology, right?
		And I can't remember what he said, but something like, well, it's associated, but it's not necessarily.
		But are you familiar with it?
		And I was like, nope.
		And he's like, well, what are you familiar with?
		You don't know anything about it?
		And I said, just what I've seen on the TV.
		And he goes, oh, South Park, huh?
		And I was like, yep.
		And he was like, do you always base your beliefs off of cartoons?
		And I laughed and I said, no.
		And he goes, why don't you come in and I'll tell you about it.
		But then he gives me an e-reader and tells me to hold it and tells me to envision things.
		And I was like, my guy, you're not.
		He was like, I want you to hold these things and then I want you, I forgot what he said, like think of something that caused you trauma.
		I can't remember.
		And then I'm like, okay.
		And then I see like the needle move and he goes, what were you thinking about?
		And I was like, the letter F. And he was like, what?
		And I was like, I literally just pictured a big letter F and nothing else.
		And he was like, oh, and I'm like, why'd the meter move?
		And he didn't know.
		And I was like, look, man, come on.
		Because I think what they do is they're like, imagine a trauma and then you imagine like getting spanked by your dad.
		The meter moves and you go, I imagine a spanking.
		That proves it.
		And I'm like, nah, big letter F, yelling at kids.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's just to weed you out anyways, as somebody who's not pliable for what they...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		It's like in the Nigerian email scams.
		I've seen this before.
		People will be like, I got one of these email scams, and they're so dumb.
		The grammar is all messy, and it's obviously a scam.
		These people are stupid.
		I'm like, no, they're smart.
		They intentionally write with bad grammar because they want to avoid smart people.
		They want only stupid people who are not going to notice these mistakes to send them money.
		And it works.
		Yeah.
		All right, what do we got here?
		TraderPotator says, Yo, Phil, what pants are you wearing in your last IG reel?
		Been looking for a good pair with knee pad inserts.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're cry combat pants.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
unidentified		So.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Based African says the anime How a Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom explores how a country should approach debt, war, and internal corruption.
		Basically, it follows the idea of minimize harm.
		to endear yourself to enemies'citizens while removing their leadership.
		Ian Kinney says, Why did YouTube just give me an ad in the chat?
		the middle of the live stream.
		Hmm.
		Never had that before.
		So YouTube has changed how ads work on YouTube.
		So earlier this year, they announced we started We started getting these notifications on videos where it said, soon all ads will be placed automatically.
		And it was like, as of May, the ability to...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You can still place ads.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But they automatically run them no matter what.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So if you turn off automated ads...
unidentified		right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You can drop your own ads in there.
		And what I found is like on the live stream, I'm not talking about the segments.
		You drop your ads every 15 minutes, 15, 30, 45, all the way to the end.
		It automatically demonetizes the first three ads, which is your largest space of time where you're actually getting viewership, which sinks any ability to really get revenue from that.
		Cause the people who are watching to the end, theoretically, you're going to see more.
		Like if somebody makes it to the fourth ad, they're staying the whole way to the end anyways.
		But the ones who joined For just the first few segments, you're not going to get any ads on any of that.
		You have to leave the automated ads on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		YouTube basically said, if you don't run ads, we nuke your monetization.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's like, you can be off-platform and broke, or you can just run ads the way we want ads to be run.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And it drops like 60 ads in there, but not all of them are going to end up showing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, so basically what happens is, if you upload a video to YouTube, it'll let you place ads, and then when you do, if you go back like half an hour later, they're all red.
		Nope, not allowed.
		And it's okay.
		And then it will automatically choose where to put ads on all your videos from now on, and it does a ton.
		But YouTube claims they have a limiter so that you can't see a certain amount of ads in a certain amount of time because they're tracking you individually.
		It's per person, my understanding is, because they want to make sure you don't leave the program or leave the video.
		So everybody has a different threshold for ads.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And it's different for videos as opposed to live streams.
		Like on the live streams, there's an option to like turn on ads during the live stream, which most people don't.
		Well, yeah, you have to turn it off every day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And actually, so what happens now is it just changed on us.
		No longer gives us – it used to say, do you want ads?
		A little bit, a lot, no ads.
		Now it just says, ad frequency, low, medium, high.
		And then you have to go in, and then there's like a drop-down menu, drop-down menu, drop-down menu to get, I will choose where the ads go.
		And it basically gives you a warning, like, we're going to nuke your channel if you do this.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I don't even want the XP stuff in the live chat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't want it?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I want that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Tales from the Inverted World live at 10pm tonight.
		They have the Experience Points ranking system already.
		And I reached out to Google and said, we want that.
		And they said, it's an experimental product, so it's not available.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Nobody in our chat even knows how it works.
		It doesn't seem to follow any type of rule whatsoever.
		It's not real yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the general idea is, for those that are wondering, some channels have a ranking system now where if you are a dedicated user who super chats and is a member, you earn experience and then actually get ranked and appear next to the stream.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like in the chat, you can click XP rankings and you can see who the biggest fan is.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		When we click the XP rankings, nothing shows up.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		People will get the badge when they're chatting, but when I go and look at the XP rankings, it's just blank.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, that's a bummer.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Could be because it's beta testing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's an experimental launch, I guess.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're just looking for ways to keep people engaged and non-platform.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we don't have it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lame.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Shameful.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lame.
		I'm excited because Real Hydra would be like number one.
		Yes.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Shane H. Wilder would be high up there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
		He'd be huge.
		All right.
		CyberCast says, I'm 23 and conservative.
		I will cheer them losing the midterms.
		My entire life American legacy has been actively sold.
		I'm no longer conservative.
		I'm far right.
unidentified		Oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you guys see that weird clip where...
		I'm assuming.
		Israel?
unidentified		No, don't do it.
unidentified		Don't do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You guys see the clip where Tucker was asking Ted Cruz about Israel spying on us?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I don't understand why Ted Cruz...
		He tried doing the, why are you so obsessed with Israel?
		And I'm like, no, no.
unidentified		I thought he got the better of Tucker on that issue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		On the Israel one?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		He tried playing the, why are you obsessed with Israel?
		That doesn't work when you're actively involved in war with Israel, like alongside them.
		The point I bring up to people— Like, U.S. presidents go to Saudi Arabia and beg them to stay on the petrodollar lease and not pump oil.
		But when there's a bombing campaign from Israel, our ally, that we're defending and supplying, it is absolutely understandable why we are talking about Israel in this context.
		So then go, well, what about China?
		We're allowed to talk about it.
		That's why it's annoying when people are like, someone commented and they were like, oh, Tim, I thought we were obsessed with Israel.
unidentified		Why are you talking about Israel?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, my dude, it's because they bring it up when we are not engaged in a conflict and there's an active conflict that we are engaged in.
		When Ukraine is the war, they're talking about Israel.
		Now Israel is involved in the war.
		We talk about Israel.
		That's fine.
		That was always allowed.
		I thought Tucker did a terrible job.
		He should have just said, It's really easy.
		Should Mossad spy on us?
		No.
		Next question.
		I don't see how hard that is.
		It's like, okay, well, they do.
		Ted Cruz said that.
unidentified		Ted Cruz said that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I actually had a different reaction.
		Number one, I don't think the Israelis spy on us in any serious way.
		They can't.
		If they do, they get into all kinds of problems.
		And I have talked to Mossad people about this.
		I talked to a former deputy head of Mossad, and he said, you don't know how strict it is for us.
		If I'm running an operation anywhere in the world and I want to surveil someone, if it's an American citizen anywhere in the world, I have to go all the way up to the prime minister to get permission to do it.
		I believe him because the power disparity is such that if they did actively spy, it would— But I'd imagine that's for the average American citizen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I imagine there is select spying that they do.
unidentified		No, I would say we spy on them much more than they spy on us.
		Sure, but they spy on us.
		There will be, I mean, it depends on what you mean by spying.
		They're not running any active programs to try to surveil us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It could be that there's a few people of interest that they have approval to spy on, and they do.
unidentified		That could well be a few people, but it's not to spy on the U.S. government.
		There'll be American citizens who get wrapped up into something.
		I can't believe it.
		I thought that what Ted Cruz said was right.
		As a general principle.
		everybody's spying on everybody yeah the world is the way it is and we the amount of spying that we do on other people is I think the issue was that he was flustered for no reason and it looks really bad.
		It was a classic Nixon-Kennedy situation.
		His demeanor is another thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, real bad.
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, optics-wise, if you're somebody that's not paying the closest attention to what's going on, if a government official looks that flustered over those questions, like, regardless of whether you think his answers are right or not, it doesn't help if he doesn't look like he can handle the questions that are fed to him.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's like, if Tucker says, do you think Masada's spying?
		Yeah.
		Isn't that a bad thing?
		Yep.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's just like, I imagine that the average person just believes that allies spy on allies and that this stuff is going on at all times.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Except for the Five Eyes Spy Club, we just share all the data with each other.
		Hey, UK, I'll spy on your guys, you spy on mine, and then you give me the data and I give you mine.
		We bypass the law.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's really frustrating that they do that kind of stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		I tweeted earlier today, it's kind of a joke, but it's kind of taken off.
		I said I want regime change in the UK.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Because of the...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, just because.
		The UK sucks.
		Regime change.
		No, I was watching something about some fat middle-aged woman getting arrested for being mean on the internet.
		I was like, dude, Karen's are allowed to Karen.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Not in the UK, they're not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not in the UK.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh no, I was watching a thing where when they're swearing in politicians who are Muslim, non-Muslims aren't allowed to touch the Quran.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Non-Muslims aren't allowed to touch the Quran?
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's in like a special cloth that they have to then hold up and give to a Muslim so they can swear on it because, you know, non-Muslims can't touch it.
		Something like that.
		And I was like, really?
		That's weird.
		I don't know what's going on over there, huh?
		But I did see that Count Dankula is thin.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Has he lost weight?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's some regime change I am for.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shout out to Count Dankula.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How's it been, buddy?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's been a minute.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully he's doing okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Seems to be.
		He's fit as a fiddle.
		Alright, what do we got here?
		A B-52 departs from Taiwan at 500 nautical miles per hour.
		An Israeli B-2 departs from Tel Aviv at 350 nautical miles per hour.
		Which one gets to make a three-mile Ayatollah first?
		Does that mean, like, what does that mean?
unidentified		Oh.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Making a nuclear joke.
unidentified		Oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Common Sense Fishing says, could it be possible China smuggled a nuke into Iran via three trips?
		Making plausible deniability if nuke used, that would sure mess things up globally.
		I don't think they need to use three planes to bring in a nuke.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		When you mentioned the story earlier about the three planes, and when you look at that image of the planes on satellite and how everybody's kind of skirting around it, it's like if there's actual uranium on those planes, that is something they end up making a movie about 20 years later, once all the information is declassified.
unidentified		There is a realistic possibility that the Iranians have something in escrow in North Korea.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		in escrow in North Korea, as in, like, just saved up?
unidentified		No, that the Iranians have...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		That's not an unrealistic possibility.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		North Korea gets caught with it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'm sorry, I was holding it for a friend.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, North Korea is...
		Yeah.
		It wasn't mine.
		It wasn't mine.
		And, I mean, well, North Korea has already thought to have nuclear weapons, so they probably assume that it's safer to have them hold on to it and say, and rely on the fact that the international community is not going to be like, we need to send inspectors in to make sure, because the international community is kind of like, ah, well, they already got them, so it's a little too late for these guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Extonman says the Boeing 747 stops in Turkmenistan.
		And continues on to Luxembourg.
		Bad coverage for flights in that area.
		Interesting.
		No idea.
		He says Cargolux operates regular service between Luxembourg and Turkmenbashi.
		Flight trackers have issues in that area, possibly due to authoritarian rule.
		Interesting.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		We should have gotten those Taylor Swift flight trackers on all this.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		We would have solved this problem weeks ago.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What do you guys do?
		Well, you know, they're not.
		They're busy.
		Trailing Taylor Swift.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like, if we just tell them, like, look, it's about climate change.
		It's not about nuclear war.
		It's about climate change.
		We'll get this solved in no time at all.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I feel like they'd still be busy chasing Taylor Swift.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Conant says, DJT met with Saudis, UAE, and had China trade deal in the last 30 days.
		Iran was discussed with all three behind the scenes.
		Interesting.
		I think so.
		I think so.
		Yep.
unidentified		Yeah, except the Saudis told Trump that they want peace and quiet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Who doesn't?
		You know.
		I'm sure they just want to sit back in their lounge chairs, some chicken wings, football game.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's what I want.
unidentified		International football, though, so soccer, as you call it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's called soccer over there, but we say soccer.
		They say football.
		All right, we'll grab one more here.
		What do we got?
		What is this?
		Jimmy says this is nothing new.
		All large civilizations that become technologically advanced go insane and destroy themselves.
		Ah, Fermi's Paradox.
		The Great Filter.
		We build VR chambers, lock ourselves in, and then die.
		My friends, smash the like button.
		Share the show with everyone you know.
		The Uncensored Call-In Show will be coming up at rumble.com slash timcastirl in about a minute or so.
		You don't want to miss it.
		You can follow me on X and Instagram at timcast.
		Mike, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		I don't have anything to say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You got a social media?
unidentified		Oh, I have a podcast, Israel Update.
unidentified		Yeah, there you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Israel Update.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
unidentified		Excellent.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Guys, if you want to follow me, I'm on Instagram and Twix at Brett Dasvick on both of those platforms.
		But what you should do is check out Pop Culture Crisis.
		We are live Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
		YouTube at Rumble.
		We'll see you there.
unidentified		I'm also on Deranimated on X. At Duranimated.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		At Duranimated.
		I'm Phil that remains on Twix.
		I'm Phil that remains official on Instagram.
		The band is all that remains.
		You can check out our new record.
		It's entitled Anti-Fragile.
		You can find it on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora, and Deezer.
		Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will see you all over at rumble.com slash timcastirl.
		Thanks for hanging out.
		So, Whoopi Goldberg claims living under Iranian regime is the same as being black in America.
		Can you confirm that, sir?
unidentified		She's definitely right.
		Oh, I'll tell you something really funny.
		Back when the George Floyd riots were going on...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uncensored.
unidentified		But is it recorded?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So what I'm saying is for posterity?
		Okay.
		So, when the George Floyd riots were going on, our authorities were saying that we're an evil country and we're racist.

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