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Democrat Party IS DEAD, Donors FLEE Amid Record Low Polls, Trump ROASTS Juneteenth | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
I agree with him in that regard, but I don't mind a holiday that celebrates the Republicans' defeat over the Democrats.
Speaking of that, we got the big news from the New York Times today.
The DNC is in chaos, completely out of money.
They're panicking.
Their donors are leaving, and they have record low approval.
I kind of feel bad because it's just like you're kicking them when they're down, but I think of all political groups, this is the one you want to go after.
So this is the big news.
We have them routed, and I don't know how they recover.
Many have said that this is the oldest political party it is, the oldest political party in the world, and sooner or later it was going to come crashing down.
This may be it.
So big news here.
And then, of course, Donald Trump ragging on Juneteenth and a viral video where Kroger apparently has Juneteenth cakes, cookie cakes.
So this one's going to be pretty funny.
And there is news, kind of.
Trump says within two weeks he'll make a decision on whether to attack Iran, which is perfect considering the White House also believes that it'll take Iran two weeks to get a nuke.
And that's about how long it'll take for the USS Nimitz to get to the region.
So it kind of sounds like Trump is like, give me two weeks.
We're not yet prepared for an attack on Iran.
So we'll talk about that and a whole lot more, my friends.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Nathan Halberstadt.
unidentified
It's great to be here on this blessed Juneteenth as we decided that we're going to describe it.
tim pool
Yeah, merry, happy.
unidentified
Yeah, it works.
I'm Nathan Halberstadt.
My writing is at the American Conservative and also at American Reformer.
I spend most of my time at New Founding.
We're a venture firm that's focused on critical civilizational problems.
Really what that amounts to is our objectives align with what MAGA is trying to accomplish.
But instead of focusing on policy through government, we focus on the private sector.
And so we're backing and investing in companies and re-industrialized or food products that don't have seed oils in them.
Building charter communities and things like that.
tim pool
Should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Mary is here.
mary morgan
Hi, everyone.
I am usually on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast, but I'm happy to be back.
tim pool
Right on.
mary morgan
Blessed Juneteenth.
tim pool
Blessed!
Blessed Juneteenth to you, Tate!
tate brown
Thank you, yeah.
Producer Tate here, Tate Brown.
Yeah, blessed Juneteenth had to be here for Juneteenth.
I'm ready to celebrate.
tim pool
All right, blessed Juneteenth to Phil.
phil labonte
Blessed Juneteenth to everybody.
It's so ridiculous.
My name's Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal vandal that remains when anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Blessed Juneteenth to you all.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here we go from the New York Times.
The DNC is in chaos and desperate for cash.
Under its new leader, Ken Martin, the Democratic National Committee has been plagued by infighting and a drop in big donations, raising alarms for Democrats as they try to win back power.
I don't believe it could happen.
At this point...
Mr. Martin has still not spoken with major donors.
At the same time, he's expanded the party's financial commitments to every state and even Guam.
He's trying very hard.
Check this out from Newsweek.
Disapproval of Democrats in Congress ticks upward.
I was surprised to hear that disapproval could have gotten worse, but it's really bad.
Democrats currently have a 21% approval rating.
Republicans, what do they have?
Republicans and this, they're like, what is it?
Do they not have enough?
I guess this one's not showing Republicans.
Republicans are at like high 30s, mid 40s.
mary morgan
32% approval.
tim pool
Is that what it says for Republicans?
That's 11 points better.
Yeah.
mary morgan
I think they blew their load on champagne, the six-figure cost for Kamala's call-her-daddy appearance.
Lots of parties.
And they kind of just lost the plot.
And they gave Ken Martin a raise as soon as he started.
He was quietly going to just take an extra 50k a year.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
Well, good for them.
It's interesting because the argument that we have right now with Trump, with Iran, with the economy, with the border, is that Trump's got to get it all done now.
Otherwise, Democrats will win in the midterms.
I'm not so convinced.
Every day, it's just getting worse.
And I was kind of confused by this.
So I asked our good AI friend, Chet GPT, why were Democrats polling so miserably?
And it aggregated some sources making the claim that because of the damage Joe Biden did in the last four years, people are continuing to get angry at the Democrats.
It seems that the problems people are experiencing today, they are still blaming on the Democratic Party.
I suppose the argument is that when your run-of-the-mill person tries looking into why things are inflating and costing so much money, they're not blaming Trump.
They're looking at what the Democrats did in the past term, and the blame is still going to Democrats.
Remarkably.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, yeah.
I mean, you say remarkably, but as things have trickled out about the previous administration since the changeover, The American people have become very, very skeptical of not just the Joe Biden administration and the things that the Biden administration did, but also the media that was saying, hey, Joe Biden is fine, etc., etc.
So I think that the loss of faith in the DNC is because they were all doing their best to hide a serious condition that the president had.
mary morgan
Well, I think they also have a man problem.
Which is fairly obvious.
And they're trying slowly to recover from that.
But every time that a man in the Democratic Party has an idea of how to fix that problem and appeal to men, they shout him down and instead want to listen to this ham planet Olivia Juliana, what she has to say as part of the consultant class.
Gavin Newsom is trying to fix the problem with this podcast.
I don't know how that's going for him.
And then this guy, Ken Martin, I think this was a couple weeks ago, like Politico found this leaked audio where he was talking with, yeah, I think this is something we covered.
Yeah, he was like infighting with David Hogg and he was saying like David Hogg was the reason why he doesn't feel like he can do this anymore.
Like how much of a little bitch do you have to be for David Hogg to David Mogg you?
tate brown
He is an alpha male, David Hogg.
phil labonte
He is, he is.
You're speaking to multiple problems, though.
Not only do they have a deficit of leadership, but they have a deficit of actual plans when it comes to what to actually do.
Like, what is the Democrat Party now?
Are the progressives in charge or are the old guards in charge?
If the old guards are in charge, then they likely can make up any kind of donation deficit that they're experiencing now.
Now, if the progressives are in charge, they're not going to get the same kind of donations.
They're going to have to rely on the small donations from people on the street, you know, But then they're not even attempting to talk to major donors like him?
mary morgan
Which is a puzzle?
phil labonte
I don't think the progressives are.
mary morgan
Are they waiting until next year?
phil labonte
They're in charge.
The progressives seem to be in charge of the policies that the DNC is focusing on.
Look at the reaction to the stuff about the trans decision in Tennessee just from yesterday.
That is such a, again, a 90-10 issue, and that's what they're spending their time focusing on for the past three four hours.
mary morgan
Honestly, it should not be a states' rights issue.
phil labonte
It shouldn't be allowed at all.
mary morgan
It should be federally banned to cut children's dicks off.
phil labonte
But again, so they lost the smallest amount of ground and they're wigging out.
Because that's what the progressives in the party focus on that stuff.
the really crazy S, you know?
So until they get that straightened out, they're not going to be able to find good leadership because the leader is I think the Democratic Party is going to go the way of Bud Light.
I think you're right.
tim pool
Bud Light's never recovered.
They lost a third of their market share and have stood there ever since.
You know, I know they've sponsored UFC and they've tried to turn this around, but it's just not happening.
Same thing with Target.
These companies have not recovered from when they went woke and got broke.
The DNC's brand is tarnished.
So younger people who are now entering the political space, and I don't mean 17-year-olds who are turning 18, I mean 28-year-olds who are going to be entering their 30s soon, they're now starting to get politically active, and they're like, I don't want to be associated with whatever that is.
Those people are nuts.
unidentified
There's the flashy issues like the trans issue, which, of course, put people off.
And I mean, the activists pushed those.
But if you think about the most significant...
I'd say it's probably first COVID and then maybe second mass migration and then maybe third is inflation.
And all three of these can be pretty squarely laid at the feet of Democratic Party and sort of the broader managerial classes set of priorities over the past decade.
You layer on things like the trans issue.
And it's just very difficult for the party to basically navigate forward.
They basically need to come up with something that's more compelling.
mary morgan
It's funny, because I see bumper stickers about trans issues, but not about inflation.
unidentified
Yes, yes.
Yeah, and really what this speaks to, and actually the article shows this, which is that the donors have pulled out, which means that the activists are still in control.
And that's actually a sort of a bearish signal for the Democratic Party.
And I think in a lot of ways, this is the Republicans' midterms to lose.
I think the two things that could really set them back would probably be first some sort of a war that we get entangled in, and the second would be a recession or something like that.
I mean, it's our election to lose.
phil labonte
I agree with you there.
I don't know that a war...
So I think the whole thing hangs on the economy.
If the economy is good, I think – not that I'm advocating for this, but I think that the American people would deal with a war with Iran just so long as we didn't have major numbers of troops on the ground.
If they had took a beachhead or took a place and there were Delta raids or whatever, like special forces raids, I think the American people would be OK with that.
I think the American people would be OK with having strikes.
That all depends on the economy.
If the economy is crap, it doesn't matter if we do anything in Iran because if the economy is crap, the Republicans are going to lose.
unidentified
I mean, basically, the populist right, or populist forces in general, have shifted over into the Republican Party, into MAGA.
tim pool
Well, we saw the polling with, was it Teamsters, I think?
They supported Trump, but the bosses didn't.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, in this case, though, I think it seemed like the bosses are now potentially shifting over into supporting, or at least their support for the Democrats is softening.
tate brown
Well, yeah, I mean, when you have the Democrats go all out against tariffs, I mean, you basically swap positions between the two parties.
That's going to be a huge sticking point for union bosses.
unidentified
That's right.
You would think the union bosses would be at least slightly more supportive of some of the tariffs.
tim pool
I actually think we're going to start seeing a media shift as well.
Not super pronounced, but it will be trailing the political shift.
When news keeps spreading, I mean, the New York Times internally, they're seeing this.
And they're going to be asking themselves, what is our market share?
Now, the problem is...
So union bosses, it was rough.
They tried sticking with it through the 24 election, but now they're just like, okay, we're out.
This is not our central focus.
We're dealing with our internal organization and our union members and what they want and what's going to maximize the amount of money that we bring in, right?
So when you get a poll showing the Teamsters overwhelmingly are pro-Trump, you know where your market share is.
And you know if you want to keep this up and you want to make money, you know what you got to do.
The problem is, this is what happened to CNN.
CNN went insane anti-Trump.
Let's just say this.
Ten years ago, they had one million dedicated audience members who wanted the news and nothing else.
Just bring me the news.
And their numbers were high and their ratings were good because they were getting, you know, airports and hotels.
But let's just hypothetically say a million dedicated people.
So they run a story about how Donald Trump is orange and smells bad.
And the million people are going, okay, it's kind of a weird story, but they get two million views.
Their views spike because the people who hate Trump flock to watch CNN.
CNN says, wow, look how many views we're getting.
This is the path forward.
So throughout the next four years, Well, the people who just wanted news left.
They were like, I'm out.
And now, CNN's, as more people are moving away from this weird anti-Trump rhetoric, Trump is more popular than ever.
CNN's ratings go into the gutter.
Regular people have no problem turning it off and switching to something else.
CNN, however, can't just turn off that they are the orange man bad network because they have enshrined themselves.
They have built up a base of 50,000 fringe lunatic anti-Trumpers.
If they now try to reverse course, they'll lose that base and that's all they have left.
So they're backing themselves.
This is what the Democratic Party has done as a whole.
They had no policies.
The only thing they represented was Trump sucks.
One by one donors are like, it's easy for me to leave and go somewhere else.
But the Democratic politicians now have monthly giving donors.
Only thing they care about is that Trump is bad.
They can't walk away from it.
Otherwise, they'll end up with zero dollars.
You're not getting back the moderates because they think you're insane.
And now you only risk losing what wackaloons you have.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, kind of like Nathan hit on where the activists are in the driver's seat.
Certainly the case in media.
I mean, every news agency, period, is completely filled to the brim.
from the PAs all the way up to the hosts are filled with activists.
So it's like, They're concerned about doing good by their values.
mary morgan
You mean the legacy media companies?
legacy media yeah that's why it was so ridiculously out of touch the other day when trump kind of tried to get a dig in at tucker carlson for not having a tv network like where have you been you knew that this was the podcast election that's why you were going on podcasts like he even talked about that with theo von with joe rogan that was very much yeah Like a podcast election.
Those were where those were the places people were going to get news opinions and learn about what was going on.
And Trump knew that, so why would he change his tune overnight just because, I don't know, Tucker is criticizing him?
He just cannot take an ounce of criticism.
tim pool
I do think it's strange that Tucker Carlson said the Trump administration was negotiating in good faith with Iran, but then before that also said Trump was complicit in this war before the U.S. even got involved.
That seems contradictory.
Was Trump in good faith trying to prevent a war?
That's what he said to Ted Cruz.
Or was he complicit in this war because of what Israel is doing?
unidentified
I don't know.
mary morgan
Even what Trump is saying is self-contradictory because on one hand— You were supposed to believe that this was a unilateral strike that the U.S. was not involved in and perhaps was not even notified of.
But also we were working with them the entire time and it was all a big ruse and we were trying to make them feel like they were safe just so we could strike when they were least expecting it.
So I don't know.
phil labonte
That kind of stuff is fairly normal for the Trump administration.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
He will cut the legs out of his subordinates if it serves him in the moment.
mary morgan
But at this point, he's even contradicting himself.
and not even just things that he said years ago, but things he said days ago.
phil labonte
Oh yeah, that was.
mary morgan
And it's ridiculous seeing like, No, I mean, you could make a more salient argument that Trump is betraying his voters.
By giving them what they expressly voted for the opposite of.
tim pool
To be fair, Trump hasn't done anything.
phil labonte
No, he hasn't.
tim pool
He's like, give me two weeks and nothing's happened.
And I'm like, I'm seeing all this fighting online and I'm like, Trump literally hasn't done anything.
phil labonte
Mary, it sounds like you think something's happening.
mary morgan
Maybe we'll see in two weeks.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from the New York Times.
Ladies and gentlemen, it is with a heavy heart that I report the White House did not celebrate Juneteenth.
unidentified
I still had a blessed Juneteenth.
tim pool
Me too.
unidentified
Me too.
tim pool
Blessed Juneteenth.
I can't believe it.
What has this country come to?
Now hopefully that faux anger at Trump will get enough liberals to watch the rest of this because Juneteenth doesn't need to be celebrated at the White House.
But it's more than that.
Trump says get rid of it.
So Trump truthed.
I love that.
Too many non-working holidays in America.
It is costing our country billions of dollars to keep all these businesses closed.
The workers don't want it either.
Soon we'll end up having a holiday for every once working day of the year.
It must change if we're going to make America great again.
In other words, he's saying ban Juneteenth or stop recognizing it.
But if you're wondering why you couldn't go to the bank or the post office today, it's because we're celebrating Juneteenth.
phil labonte
I didn't notice that.
tim pool
The top trend on Google is, quote, what is Juneteenth?
And here's what I really love about it.
There's this Newsweek article.
Kroger responds after Georgia Juneteenth cakes go viral.
So, like, how do I get this stupid TikTok?
unidentified
That cake looks terrible.
Here you go.
tim pool
Where's the audio?
Okay, TikTok, you're terrible.
unidentified
Made of these ugly animals.
tim pool
Shit.
unidentified
Okay.
I wish it was a manager here because y 'all decorate everything else around here cute.
Like what?
You want to just throw something on a freaking cookie cake and expect someone to buy it?
Yes!
tim pool
Look, it's free at last!
mary morgan
It says free, you can take it for free!
unidentified
Free!
That means you don't have to pay for it, just take it!
Congratulations!
One of them just said congratulations!
tate brown
This is what Abraham Lincoln envisioned.
tim pool
Oh man, that's amazing.
tate brown
Everything I learned about Juneteenth has been against my will.
I will say that.
tim pool
I'm pro-Juneteenth.
I'm seeing a bunch of people being like, tweeting like, no, it's bad.
And I was like, we're celebrating.
I mean, if we want to be very serious, it's the union's victory.
It's the end of slavery.
We can be like, yeah, sure, why not?
But guys, today is the day that we commemorate the sacrifices of the Republican Party.
Hundreds of thousands of good Republican men died to stop the evil racist Democrats.
Did you know that even after the Civil War ended, Democrats still had slaves?
phil labonte
Unbelievable.
tim pool
That's Juneteenth commemorates the day Union soldiers went to Texas and found a couple of Democrats that kept slaves after it was already abolished.
So I'm.
I'm...
It's a holiday where we're like the Republicans got rid of Democrat slaves.
unidentified
Yeah, I think the cake story is actually illustrative of part of the problem that some people have with the holiday, which is that there's something cynical about the elevation of it during the Biden presidency.
Yeah.
I think it was the first federal holiday added since MLK Day, and somebody can check that.
But it's a part of a more consistent pattern of basically Democratic leaders who have this beholden faction here in America.
And rather than doing anything meaningful for the black community in America, And so I think, and just like the cakes, right?
There's a critique of it that it lacks substance.
And I think that that's a part of the story here.
tim pool
I'll say this.
With all seriousness, the reason why there's a backlash is that it's a fake holiday.
And I'll say it again, it's a fake holiday.
Now, I know...
The point is, when you enshrine a federal holiday for a country that doesn't know what it is, it's not a real holiday in the sense that there's a cultural tradition where a nation comes together entirely as a nation to say, today is a day where we will celebrate something.
So, as Trump pointed out, if we were to find every minority faction's sacred moments, You'd have a holiday every single day.
And so the idea that the Biden administration is going to say a tenth of the population, literally 13% of the population, not even 13, it's probably less because not every black person celebrates Juneteenth.
They're going to say there's a minority population that celebrates a holiday no one in this country has ever heard of, and we're going to elevate it.
The reason why Kroger just put free on a cookie is because they don't know what it is.
What's the color scheme of Juneteenth?
unidentified
There's a flag didn't be here, is there not?
mary morgan
I like the idea that it was actually a black employee that decorated the cookie cakes and doesn't know what Juneteenth is.
tim pool
Well, the Juneteenth flag is like, what is it, green, black, and red?
unidentified
Something like that.
tate brown
Yeah, and African colors, yeah, but it's on the American flag.
And that's also kind of the nasty thing about No, it's red, white, and blue.
Is it really?
Yeah.
The nasty thing about Juneteenth, I think what leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth, is because it kind of came at the same time when the NFL started doing the Black National Anthem.
And it really felt like there was a secondary Independence Day.
And I remember speaking to a lot of my Black friends, and they're like, we already have, and this is for everyone, Independence Day.
So adding a secondary Independence Day felt a bit redundant.
tim pool
Do we have Thanksgiving flags?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
I want to make one.
I want to put a turkey on a flag.
tate brown
That'd be nice.
unidentified
Simple.
Yeah.
tim pool
There you go.
But I'm just like, why is there a Juneteenth flag?
I mean, do we have other flags for holidays?
phil labonte
No.
unidentified
There's no Christmas flag.
I haven't seen it.
tim pool
Really?
phil labonte
There's no Christmas flag?
There's no Thanksgiving flag?
unidentified
Christmas predates flags, I guess, or in some cases.
tim pool
Hot Topic could make Halloween flags.
They could put Jack Skellington on it.
phil labonte
They could.
mary morgan
Jack Skellington is actually black.
You just don't know because he doesn't have skin.
tate brown
It could just be the Canadian flag.
That's scary.
phil labonte
Arguably the July 4th is...
tate brown
St. Patrick's Day, they get the Irish flag.
phil labonte
That's just beer, though.
tate brown
It should be a federal holiday.
I need that day off.
mary morgan
To what you were saying, Nathan, I don't think that black Americans care about meaningful policy change that actually helps them.
They just want money.
That's 77% of them, I just checked, that support reparations.
They just want money.
And probably also holidays and lip service.
Trump did so much to try to pander with the Platinum Plan, and they don't care.
tate brown
Pardon Kodak Black?
mary morgan
Yeah, pardoning Kodak Black.
unidentified
I mean, obviously, in a democratic electoral system, all factions are looking to basically solve for what's in their interest, and what's in their interest will sort of vary from faction to faction.
And, yeah, I think there is some truth to the fact that I don't know how many people were demanding for this holiday from that faction.
I don't know.
mary morgan
I'm just saying the majority, the vast majority of black Americans, they just want cash.
They just want free money for being black.
Yes.
tim pool
But what I would preface that with...
You know what I mean?
So when the Democrats are coming out and being like, oh, we have to give reparations, I mean, black people are going to be like, okay, give me money.
What?
Like, if you're going to come out and you're going to say it, why not?
mary morgan
I mean, would you accept reparations for, I don't even know.
Ancestors, yeah.
Wouldn't you feel a little bit like it was dirty money that didn't...
tim pool
Maybe.
mary morgan
It's being stolen from taxpayers who earned it with their work?
tim pool
I probably wouldn't spend it.
Like right now if I checked.
Right now if a check came in the mail, I probably wouldn't even notice and I'd just ignore it.
tate brown
And would there be a holiday for that?
like the sushi cake or something.
mary morgan
I'm just saying, you know, if that were a real policy plan.
tim pool
They did pay reparations to Japanese Americans, so.
Hey, my plan was to seize all the federal land from the Bureau of Land Management and use that to give the land to the black Americans who were owed it.
Does anybody disagree?
Why should the federal government control like 40% of the land of this country under federal regulation?
And this came up with the Bundy Ranch scenario where they were ranching for generations and the federal government came in and said, we hereby declare the land belongs to the federal government.
And then it led to the standoff.
I'm like, all that land is just owned by the federal government.
The people can't have it.
They just laid claim to it.
You can't buy it.
phil labonte
There's an argument in the – or going on about the Big Beautiful Bill and some, you know.
Publicly owned lands going private and doing developments, and there's some people that are really upset about that.
tate brown
I mean, the concern is, like, it's not going to go to just private ranchers.
It's going to go to BlackRock.
phil labonte
Yeah, of course.
tate brown
Bill Gates, etc., etc.
So it's like, yeah, it sounds nice to privatize this land, but it's not going to go to people that are actually going to use it.
phil labonte
Oh, that's good.
That's nice.
tate brown
I will say, too, I grew up in Memphis, and if you know anything about Memphis, it's a very black city.
Never heard of Juneteenth in my entire life until, like, four years ago.
phil labonte
It all started, like, four years ago.
tate brown
Yeah.
phil labonte
years ago.
Like 2020 was like when all...
Things started getting weird in 2012, and then 2020, things just went bonkers.
tim pool
Real quick correction, that's not correct.
The original flag is this one from 97, but people do have a...
It's yellow, red...
Let me open a picture of it.
They're currently now selling this on Amazon.
And that's like Pan-African colors or whatever?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Change the yellow to white.
You can have the Palestinian flag.
Which is also the colors of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
phil labonte
What do you know?
tate brown
Go figure.
tim pool
Did you know that, Mary?
mary morgan
No.
tim pool
Yeah.
What is it?
Red, green, black, and white?
phil labonte
Yeah, that makes sense.
tim pool
Those are the colors of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
That's weird.
phil labonte
What, that there's colors?
tim pool
No, it's those colors.
And it's the same colors as the Palestinian flag.
It's just weird.
phil labonte
You know.
tate brown
Yeah, in the Middle East, they all cheat on each other's homework.
They all have the same flag.
They just throw a little seal on it to change it up so the teacher doesn't notice.
tim pool
I guess.
Juneteenth!
All right, let's jump to this next story from CNN.
We have an update!
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the craziest story.
I've seen it in a long time.
Let me just lay it down for you.
Liberals organized a massive protest, the No Kings protest.
In Utah, volunteer peacekeepers associated with the organizing group, which is called the 50501 movement, started shooting into a crowd of people and killed a guy.
Let me say this for you again.
I know that y 'all who watch this show have seen us talk about it, but for some reason, This story died instantly.
And I don't know why every single conservative isn't just coming out and freaking out about it.
Calling them out.
Let me say it again.
These are not far leftists.
These are liberal protest organizers for no kings shot and killed a guy.
And to make it crazier, the police arrested the guy they were shooting at.
This is the craziest story.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
So in Utah, there's this Antifa guy.
You're making me defend Antifa, but I will defend this guy.
He was legally carrying a rifle.
He did nothing as far as we can tell.
Maybe I'm wrong, but right now the news reports that we have in the video we've seen, he's just walking down the sidewalk, open carrying.
Two peacekeepers draw, they yell at him, and then in the video you can see before the dude even reacts to what they're saying, one of the guys opens fire, firing three rounds at this dude, missing him, and killing a random guy.
The crazy thing about this story is, the police arrested that guy, and they called him the shooter.
But now, CNN's reporting, it takes out, Utah, no kings protest, what we know about the fatal shooting.
And so this is the latest update.
Newly released video appears to show the man arrested on suspicion of murder for the death of an innocent bystander.
No kings protest was Saturday, walking away with his rifle pointing down, moments before a volunteer peacekeeper opened fire in his direction.
According to KSTU.
That's somebody's phone?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
The bystander, Arthur Falassa Alu, was shot and killed by a peacekeeper who was aiming for the man with the rifle, believing him to be an imminent threat.
I'm just going to say it right now.
We've talked about it with the law of self-defense, gentlemen, and Branca.
But there's imperfect self-defense, but I don't even know...
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't see how you can, at least the way that it's laid out here, I don't see how you can consider anything else.
tim pool
They say they ordered Gamboa to drop the weapon before one opened fire on protesters.
Witnesses reported Gamboa was holding the rifle in a firing position and running towards the protesters after being confronted by the peacekeepers.
No, I think he just grabbed it and started running away from the guys who were shooting at him for no reason.
Now, what's really crazy is this.
Panic spreads throughout the area.
Everybody runs for safety.
Peacekeeper fires three rounds, fatally wounding Alu and shooting Gamboa, who got a graze wound.
They say detectives have developed probable cause that Gamboa acted under circumstances that showed a depraved indifference to human life, knowingly engaged in conduct that created a gun.
They're covering up for the fact that liberal protest organizers shot and killed a guy.
They say he remains in custody.
So they basically point out that after the peacekeepers with the 50501 movement opened fire, people started pointing to the Antifa guy with the rifle.
So the cops arrested him.
And now I think the police are...
Helping the Democrats cover this up.
phil labonte
I mean, it sounds like that's the case.
unidentified
It just proves the point that the No Kings protest, it really isn't a serious protest.
It's basically a pre-planned media circus and any sort of narratives that don't align with the pre-planned narrative about the No Kings protest are sidelined.
And of course, And the way it's told is somewhat biased, and this is even CNN kind of post-reform.
But, I mean, the things that should also be mentioned about the No Kings protest is, I mean, it was old pretty much everywhere where there were gatherings.
And there's just this general incompetence about the people, too, right?
I mean, just randomly firing, missing.
I mean, these people are they're basically not
tim pool
you know, people have talked about abolishing various institutions and organizations, but can I just say abolish CNN?
phil labonte
I can say that.
tim pool
And I'm going to tell you why.
Here's what they say.
New video obtained by KSTU shows a different angle of the shooting, challenging the original narrative.
Police first said witnesses reported Gamboa pointing his rifle and ran at demonstrators after peacekeepers told him to drop his weapon.
But the new video appears to show Gamboa's rifle pointing toward the ground, and he doesn't start running until after the peacekeeper fires his gun.
The video also shows Gamboa jogging along the protest route and then ducking behind a fence, a move the peacekeeper told detectives he found suspicious.
Gamboa can be seen on video through the slats on the fence, and it appears he bends down.
Police have said he removed his rifle from his backpack.
The rifle cannot be seen in this video.
CNN has not independently obtained or verified the newly released video.
It's on X. You can just...
There's numerous videos.
They've zoomed in.
They've edited it.
It is wild for CNN to be like, a week later, we still haven't watched the video that's been on X for a week.
mary morgan
Might be AI, though.
unidentified
Sure.
mary morgan
But think about the type of lunatic you have to be to volunteer as a peacekeeper at the No Kings protest.
Like, these are people who are George Zimmerman on steroids.
Like, overly eager.
I mean, they're crazy.
Like, they probably wanted to end up in an altercation like that.
tate brown
Well, yeah, that's the problem with these protests is that it's the highest congregation of people with, like, low impulse control and emotionality in America.
So they're fired up.
unidentified
They're bored.
They're bored and they just want to get out.
tate brown
They're just waiting.
There's adrenaline pumping.
They're just like, oh, there's a Nazi.
and get them.
You're going to get a situation like this that was inevitable.
I was actually kind of surprised it took so long.
tim pool
They've raised $415,000 on GoFundMe for this guy.
And I say, okay.
He's a poor guy, dude.
He's just walking down the street, minding his own business, and some liberal dude with an itchy finger just opens fire.
No, no.
This is a random guy.
He's just walking down the street.
mary morgan
You mean the guy that was shot?
tim pool
This is the guy who was shot and killed.
mary morgan
Not the guy who was missed.
tim pool
Yeah.
So the Antifa guy got grazed.
They both got hit.
But he got grazed when this guy got shot and killed.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
phil labonte
Unbelievable.
tim pool
Here's my question.
Why aren't conservatives talking about it?
I'm just going to say this.
I'm surprised conservatives are as far as they've gotten in the culture war.
Seriously.
Like, the left makes these videos.
You know what?
Never mind.
I'm wrong about everything.
Conservatives are winning.
Okay?
Keep doing it.
I guess.
tate brown
We start to make some progress and then Elon Musk drops, like, by the way, the president should be impeached and he's a pedophile.
So it's like, anytime you actually make some progress, it just turns into just eating your own.
tim pool
One step forward, two steps back.
tate brown
Yeah, exactly.
So it's like, that's just our tendency.
It's like crabs in a pot.
So it's like, yeah, we could seize on this, but there's a great battle going on on Twitter that I got to get involved in.
phil labonte
Well, what is it that the Republicans are mostly paying attention to now?
It's Israel and Iran.
tim pool
And it's dividing the right.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
Hilariously.
unidentified
Yeah, it seems to me right now, at least, that just a week or two ago we had this divide between the populist right and the tech right that was emerging over this feud between Elon and Trump.
But that's almost completely forgotten at this point.
And now the fight is between the isolationists and the neocons.
And the question is, will this be as easily resolved?
Because unless Trump can find some sort of a middle path, And so I think that the risk here from a coalitional perspective is maybe even more significant than the divide that we saw between Trump and Elon.
phil labonte
Do you think that Iran can do it without the United States' help?
unidentified
Do you think Iran can do it without Israel?
phil labonte
I'm sorry.
Israel can take care of Iran without the U.S. help?
unidentified
I think that Israel has currently, I mean, Israel has started the war.
phil labonte
Because they claim to be able to do it.
unidentified
Israel currently, I think, has an asymmetry in terms of the technology and the military capabilities that it has versus Iran.
And so I think it's possible that they could do it themselves.
tim pool
I think if the U.S. were not defending Israel, they'd probably be in serious trouble.
And there's questions, we talked about this the other night, but I was watching more again on Fox, that Israel's starting to run out of interceptors.
We'll see where that goes.
But in regards to, I guess, the coalition and the left and what conservatives are paying attention to, you know, maybe what ends up happening to the Democratic Party is that it really does turn into moderate MAGA versus conservative MAGA or something.
unidentified
What do you mean by that?
tim pool
You're going to have – there's going to be moderate neocon and disaffected liberal types.
And then you're going to have the staunch conservative anti-war.
Like, basically the left is excised in its entirety.
And you're going to start seeing liberals becoming disaffected with the Democratic Party, as we are, joining the Republicans, which will create a new left-right dichotomy where you have the left wing of the Republican Party and the right wing of the Republican Party, and that sets the tone for the new political landscape.
tate brown
I mean, you already kind of see it with the Tucker Cruz interview where you're seeing people on the left like, I hate to say it, but Tucker's a great, you know, he did a great interview here, I gotta take his side.
So it's like, yeah, we're already kind of seeing the left filter into the right's positions on these issues.
And yeah, there could be a point in the next few years at this rate where, yeah, they're just completely out of the picture and they have to take sides with the current Republican dichotomy.
tim pool
Here's a story from Mediaites.
Trump ally Laura Loomer escalates MAGA civil war with wild claim.
Tucker is controlled by Muslims.
So it's getting spicy.
And you've got this, what do they say?
The Washington Examiner's Robert Schmad reported on Qatar's big dollar efforts in May, writing perhaps Qatar's biggest victory in the post-election right-wing media campaign thus far was securing an interview between Tucker Carlson and Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani in March.
The interview, which has racked up nearly six million views across X and YouTube, was friendly, with Carlson praising the country.
Schmad added, Foreign Agent Registration Act records show that Lumen8 Advisors, LLC, a legal consulting company for which very little public information is available, helped facilitate between Carlson and the Qatari dignitary.
The embassy of the state of Cutter pays Lumen8 Advisors $180,000 per month to provide media and communication coaching and consulting services.
Loomer took that report a step further, claiming Carlson's interview with PM Altani was a paid propaganda piece in which over $200,000 was paid by the embassy of the state of Qatar for Tucker to the interview.
A Qatari official, all while knowing Hamas is an Iranian proxy and funded by Qatar.
Loomer basically laid out that Tucker was getting this money.
Tucker's in an interview with Steve Bannon saying he was never paid, and she said he was a liar and then showed this.
The insinuation, of course, is that Tucker was given $200,000, but this has been the narrative that's emerging largely not just from Laura Loomer, but from many that are pro-Israel and critical of those who are Israel critical.
I think when you look at this, you can see there's a foreign lobbying group.
Probably reached out to Tucker and said, how can we make this happen?
But Laura did make a good point.
Who's paying all the travel and production costs?
Is there any of that going on?
Because what is the point of hiring a FARA lobbying firm to facilitate an interview?
You wouldn't need to do it.
You'd simply just – you're a government.
You reach out to the agency or the network and you say, we'd like to sit down with Tucker Carlson.
So what did Luminate actually do in exchange for this money?
Interesting question.
I will also add, come on, look, I get people, like, tweeting at me, like Elijah Schaefer, he tweeted at me, because Theo Vaughn went to Qatar and then comes back and then says he thinks Israel's committing a genocide.
I point that out and then get accused of claiming he's getting paid by Qatar to do so.
Well, no, but I mean, what was his trip?
What access was he given?
It's right there.
I don't know if anything's going on with Qatar funding or paying anybody or anything like that, but this is the current divide right now with a threat of war.
You have this narrative now going more mainstream, particularly with Laura Loomer, that Qatar is paying a bunch of conservatives to be anti-Israel.
phil labonte
I mean, does she have evidence of any of that stuff, or is she just throwing accusations?
tim pool
I think everybody's just throwing accusations.
But to be fair, paid?
They'll say, Cutter paid $200,000 for an interview with Tucker Carlson, not to Tucker Carlson for an interview.
So, look, we do stage shows, and we have a media company that comes in and sets up all the cameras and does all the work, and we pay for that.
So if someone said, Tim Pool paid X amount of dollars for an interview with Insert Celebrity, it's like, no, no, no, that was a production company.
But that's how you can use weasel words to make it seem like that.
However, evidence, not proof.
I mean, Theovan did go to Qatar, and he's got that video of him wearing the local garb or whatever, and then he comes back and says, Israel's coming to genocide.
It was a really wishy-washy statement.
It was non-committal, and now he's very much in the anti-intervention camp.
I'm not saying he's being paid.
And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with going to a country and then being convinced of something.
I'm just saying like – Yeah.
tate brown
It's weird how she's paying this.
You can't come to Tucker's conclusion unless you're being paid by a foreign government.
The conclusion that we shouldn't go to war with Iran.
Only someone crazy could come up with that, so they must have paid him.
It's kind of a crazy implication.
phil labonte
I mean, sort of.
that's kind of standard stuff when it comes to this topic.
Like if you disagree with someone, One of the things that people default to when you say, well, no, I don't agree because of this.
If you see the things that I see and you don't come to the conclusion that I come to, then you must be doing it because you're paid.
That happens all the time with both Qatar and with Israel.
unidentified
The foreign trips are interesting.
I mean, in the election season, right, it came up that Tim Walts had been to China 30 times or something like that.
And so I do think whenever there's these sorts of foreign trips, I think there should be questions asked of public figures in general.
But yeah, the Qatar thing here, it doesn't seem like there's a ton that's substantiated, at least at this point.
tim pool
I do think it's interesting that there's a lot of personalities that have, in the past couple of years, maybe even the past year or so, gone very heavy anti-Israel very quickly.
tate brown
I mean, it does feel like it's a bit of a, it's like the edgy, it's like a containment breach.
Because, like, this next generation of political pundits are just completely allergic to any foreign intervention in the Middle East, rightfully so, because it's been such a disaster.
And, yeah, obviously going to ask questions of what were the incentives for us to go into the Middle East.
But at the same time, when they just completely fixate on Israel.
Yeah, you do start to ask questions like, well, it's weird that they did visit countries that are extremely adversarial to Israel, and then they walk away with this new agenda.
That being said, on the flip side, if you watch the interview with Ted Cruz, I mean, Tucker wasn't picking on Israel.
He was just saying, let's not go to war with Iran.
phil labonte
He was picking on Ted Cruz.
tate brown
Yeah, it was literally a struggle session.
phil labonte
And like Ted Cruz is like, he's generally very good in interviews, even combative interviews.
mary morgan
So it was like, you know that it was totally like just at like, No, he felt like he took a knife in the side.
tim pool
And I got a question for you guys, because there was one exchange that I thought was really weird, and that was the issue of the Bible says, you know, blessed are those who bless Israel and cursed are those who curse Israel.
And Tucker's point was, the Bible doesn't literally mean the current political state of Israel, does it?
And Ted Cruz said yes.
Is that the case?
I'm not a Christian, so I don't know.
tate brown
I mean, yeah, I'm a Christian and you could go into all the theology, but the divide is dispensationalism versus covenant theology.
And a lot of evangelicals subscribe to dispensationalism, which is every promise that God made to Israel is literal.
He is talking about the current state of Israel.
And people that subscribe to covenant theology say, well, when Paul addresses the church and calls them Israel in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians, he's saying that the church has basically absorbed all of the promises made to Israel.
So it's a big divide in the church.
But what's driving the Christian Zionism movement is that dispensational interpretation of the Old Testament theology.
covenants.
tim pool
But this is still a different argument.
tate brown
Well, I mean...
It's because he has a dispensational theology.
He's saying, no, it says right there, it's Israel.
And then someone describes the covenant theology, says, no, Christians replaced Israel.
We are now Israel.
Those promises apply to the Church.
tim pool
Is that what you think Tucker is saying when he brings that up?
tate brown
Yeah, Tucker subscribes to covenant theology.
I think he's an Episcopalian.
And he actually did a whole podcast with a theologian about covenant theology and dispensationalism.
It's a big divide in the Church.
It typically divides Reformed Protestants to Evangelical Protestants.
mary morgan
It's mainly because Protestants just look at the Bible and decide what they want it to mean.
tate brown
All right.
Relax.
We don't need a debate.
We'll save that for culture war.
Well, there's a lot of Catholics that have dispensational theology.
mary morgan
That's true, too.
tate brown
So it's a theological divide that crosses sex, so to speak.
phil labonte
I didn't know that.
tate brown
Yeah, yeah.
Dispensationalism.
It's very common in megachurches, like your Joel Osteen types.
They're very big on it because it's very literal.
It's like there's a verse where it says like, oh, God is going to, you know, you can build up treasures in heaven.
So they're like, treasures?
That must mean money.
How do I get richer?
Maybe I should go to Joel Osteen's church.
It's like, meanwhile, Jesus is like, by the way, if you follow me, you're going to get poor.
That's just kind of how this works.
But they kind of, you know, stiff-armed that.
Yeah, it's a big problem.
phil labonte
Yeah, what's it called?
When they say, if you do this, you'll get money.
tate brown
Prosperity gospel.
phil labonte
That's it, prosperity gospel.
tim pool
You'll get money?
phil labonte
Yeah, prosperity.
tim pool
I like that one.
tate brown
It's a very uniquely American Christianity, too, because it blends what makes America great with what makes Christianity great, and the result is something very nasty and awful.
phil labonte
It's a type of Protestant.
Protestantism.
tate brown
I mean, it's kind of gyrated out of Protestantism.
It's non-denominationalism, and it's in the name, non-denominational.
They're not part of a denomination.
It's just kind of a free-for-all.
And the pastor gets up and he gives a TED Talk, and they play rock songs.
And nothing there resembles church.
It kind of resembles Lollapalooza a little more.
It's a big disaster.
phil labonte
How are you feeling, Mary?
mary morgan
I mean, yeah, you know.
You know how I feel about that.
phil labonte
I'm just watching and just squirming.
Just like, ugh, God.
mary morgan
Shiver me timbers.
phil labonte
These heathens.
mary morgan
But somehow you, if you're Ted Cruz, you extrapolate from that that you should take money from APAC.
tate brown
Yeah.
That's literally how it works.
phil labonte
How much is he taking from APAC?
mary morgan
Christians are the chosen people.
tate brown
It's true.
Fact check true.
Read 1 Corinthians.
It says very explicitly.
phil labonte
Does it really?
tate brown
Yeah, it says specifically the church has been grafted into Israel.
phil labonte
Ah, okay.
tate brown
So, not the current 1947 UN Charter.
mary morgan
That's why Christians don't follow the old law.
tate brown
I mean, yeah, I don't want to mix linen with wool or whatever.
You go to hell for that.
mary morgan
Yeah, it's not the most, like, stereotypical.
I don't even know how to respond to something so stupid.
tate brown
If God is good, why does bad thing happen?
mary morgan
That's definitely the top rebuttal.
phil labonte
That's the one that I want answered most.
tate brown
That would be a two-hour-long podcast, probably.
mary morgan
That has to be a culture war episode.
tate brown
I guess the problem is you're approaching from good faith.
Typically people that ask that question are approaching from bad faith like it's some gotcha.
It's like, oh wow.
phil labonte
It's just the left doing it then.
tate brown
What are you, Richard Dawkins?
Yeah, you're a genius.
tim pool
I figured it out.
phil labonte
What'd you do?
tim pool
Yo, Ted Cruz is wrong.
Okay?
Israel's right here.
phil labonte
Look.
tim pool
See this?
Israel?
unidentified
Is this somewhere in middle America?
tim pool
Israel's right here.
And if we're going to be literal, Then this is like three hours away from us.
tate brown
That's why when the war broke out and they're like, Palestine's getting bombed, I was like, didn't they just have a chemical spill?
They're going through a lot over there in East Palestine.
tim pool
If we're going to take it literally, then does that include Israel, West Virginia?
tate brown
I'd say Americans are the chosen people.
tim pool
Oh, wait.
What is it called?
Dispensationalism?
tate brown
Dispensationalism, yeah.
tim pool
It's a literal reference to the people of Israel, and so that includes today.
Then there's going to be a subset of that, which would mean, right, because they're obviously going to make the argument that, no, no, obviously the Jewish people are the people of Israel, and that's where they were, and that's where they are, so that counts, right?
So there's going to be a subset where it says, no, no, it literally means Israel, but...
tate brown
It's true.
There used to be, like, up until the 1950s, I even had relatives that were involved in this movement.
It was called British Israelism, and they basically believed that the inhabitants of the British Isles were a lost tribe that migrated there.
And it was actually, like, not ubiquitous, but it had a lot of people that adhered to that in America and England and Canada.
mary morgan
So it's like the black Israelite movement for British people?
tate brown
Yeah, literally.
And it was a big thing.
It drove a lot of, like, Freemason ideas.
I wouldn't be surprised if a few founding fathers identified with British Israelism.
It was a really big, really big movement.
Yeah, so I would make the argument that West Virginia is actually the holy land.
I mean, there's a good argument for that.
phil labonte
West Virginia.
That's why I'd take me home.
tate brown
I mean, do they have cookout in Jerusalem?
I don't think so.
Doesn't sound very holy to me.
phil labonte
I mean, I imagine they do.
They have nicer weather in Jerusalem, don't they?
tate brown
I've been there a few times, yeah.
phil labonte
Kind of dry like California.
mary morgan
Oh, you've been to Jerusalem?
Does that mean you're being paid by Israel?
tate brown
That's true, yeah.
Any take that I have is actually fed to me by...
mary morgan
If you've been to a country, you're clearly getting paid by their government.
tate brown
I've also been to Qatar, so I'm actually kind of in the middle.
mary morgan
I've been to China, so I'm a CCP shill.
phil labonte
You've been to China?
mary morgan
Yeah.
phil labonte
I didn't know that either.
mary morgan
I won't elaborate.
tate brown
So maybe I can be the mediator between Loomer and Tucker.
Like, guys, I've been to both.
I'm getting paid by both.
Let's come together here.
mary morgan
Perfect.
phil labonte
I think you should try.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story, ladies and gentlemen.
Actual news.
Breaking.
Trump will make decision over next step in Iran within the next two weeks.
Now, what's going on with the next two weeks?
Why does he need that much time?
Okay, well, well, the White House says it could take a couple of weeks for Iran to produce a nuclear weapon.
So Trump is basically saying, like, maybe we'll sit back and wait to see if they get a nuclear weapon.
So maybe Trump was just sitting there and they were like, we need the Nimitz in the region for security purposes.
If you make a move now, you know, we're going to be lacking.
So why don't we just wait?
And he's like, OK, let's maybe the actually in all seriousness, the scary thing is maybe the whole negotiating play where he's like, I want to negotiate is to hold off Iran for the time being so that we can mobilize our military effectively.
phil labonte
I mean, maybe.
I just don't...
If they're, you know, if they're like, oh, we have to move more assets into position, then it's not just, you know, B2s with 30,000 pound bunker buster bombs, right?
This is moving significantly more manpower into the area if they're waiting for a hold.
There's two there now, if I understand correctly, and they're waiting for a third.
That's a lot.
tate brown
Well, it tracks Trump's negotiation strategy, which is maximum pressure.
I mean, if anyone read the art of the deal, you'd know what's going on.
phil labonte
No, I mean, the point being, I'm totally down with that kind of posture.
But if it was only going to be just a strike to take out the...
this one installation or whatever, you wouldn't need three carrier groups.
And I don't know that...
tate brown
Two of them are in the Eastern Mediterranean, so that's more of a defensive posture.
phil labonte
But moving this carrier strike group...
tate brown
I think one is in the Red Sea, one is in the eastern Mediterranean.
Regardless, it's still a lot of distance from Iran.
But this third carrier strike group is positioning in a bit more of an offensive posture.
So yeah, we're basically just ratcheting up the pressure on Iran.
unidentified
Tim, what do you think?
Does anything ever happen?
tim pool
That's not a question for me.
It's a question for Mary.
unidentified
Mary, does anything ever happen?
mary morgan
The answer is no.
It's always going to be no.
phil labonte
So then there's not going to be a strike or there isn't.
unidentified
That's no strike, right?
tim pool
No strike.
mary morgan
No, we'll check back in two weeks.
tim pool
No strike.
I think in the long run Israel loses.
mary morgan
I hope nothing happens.
I hope we all hope.
tate brown
You said you think Israel loses.
tim pool
Yeah, I think Israel's...
And what I mean by that is, let's say you're looking at your bank account and you got $10,000 in it.
You know what I mean?
Like, I got $10,000 in my bank account.
And then you look at your monthly liabilities and it's $1,730 and your income is only $750.
You're going to be like, oh crap.
I only got a few months left before I go negative.
That's what I see with the situation with Israel and the reason why I think that they want to do this attack now.
I don't know that it has anything necessarily to do with nuclear weapons.
They claim it does, but there's another thing to consider in that sentiment for Israel is rapidly declining.
Rapidly.
And they seem completely incapable of doing anything about it.
Their marketing, their PR, and their efforts are so pathetic that I'm just like, Okay, in 10 years, the U.S. will completely cut off Israel.
The right is largely, we shouldn't be funding Israel, Israel is going to do what they want.
The left hates Israel.
And then you've got a component on the right that hates Israel, too.
So I'm looking at the math, and I'm just like...
This is bad news for them.
They're making this move on around now because if they wait any longer, the U.S. is going to cut them off and then they can't.
So they have no choice.
tate brown
Yeah, their political capital has an expiration date.
And then also within internal politics in Israel, Netanyahu is on the hot seat right now.
He's outflanked to the right.
He's outflanked to the left.
They have a huge demographic crisis because the Hasidic population triples every 10 years.
So they're going to have a situation in 30 years where they're going to like have serious demands for a much more theocratic government.
Right now, they kind of the secular government.
So, yeah, like you said, I mean, they have.
unidentified
limited amount of political capital and that political capital has an expiration date on it that is rapidly approaching i think what you're good no no good i think what you're seeing on the right today at least is that more and more people though are asking that any intervention could be explicitly tied back to some sort of a cost benefit analysis for american citizens right and so and so if that's if that's what you're solving for is for what's in the best interest for the prosperity and security of american citizens then
you know there's sort of a spectrum of basically potential different pathways you could go down and the base case for the united states is something like no intervention and then there's a there's a there's a sliding scale basically where there's some negotiations and then there's some aid arms you go all the way down to boots on the ground or regime change etc etc and i think increasingly on the right
And I think what makes this challenging is we have people like Lindsey Graham, for example, who very recently basically made the claim, I believe this was on Twitter, where he said, first, Iran will get nukes, they'll nuke Israel, and then they'll nuke America.
And really what that's doing is in the base case scenario, in the no intervention side, he's elevating the perceived cost of no intervention, basically.
But what I would argue is people on the right have been sort of gaslit on this issue a number of times.
If you think about Lindsey Graham specifically said the exact same thing about Putin, where he said first Putin would go into Ukraine, then he'd take Europe, and then he would land on America's shores.
And in my case, I'm not a specific Israel-Iran expert, right?
I don't actually know what the exact chances are that Iran will nuke New Jersey.
But, you know, Lindsey Graham already played those cards when he claimed that Putin was going to do an amphibious assault on Connecticut, which was never reasonable.
And so I think then you add in also around.
And I think people on the right are—it's reasonable to be skeptical when these people sort of bang the same sets of arguments.
Now, it might be that we need to—there might need to be some aid or negotiations or things like this that would end up being in the best interest of Americans.
But it's really important that we fixate on American citizen interests as the core thing we're solving for here.
tim pool
I was just thinking about how we were talking before about Qatar.
The accusations that they're funding all this influential operation, you know, Israel's got money.
Why wouldn't they be doing the same thing?
So if it is the case that Qatar is funding a bunch of sentiment opposed to Israel, and, you know, we do know that, like, Al Jazeera Plus was super woke.
The issue is, why isn't Israel doing the same thing?
And more importantly, why aren't they winning?
Let's look at it this way.
Let's say that there's a bunch of foreign adversaries that are flooding U.S. social media.
This is the more legitimate accusation, in my opinion, that you've got people in, say, Pakistan.
They create social media accounts where they masquerade as Americans and then will spam blast people's feeds.
And this is like one guy.
It's like literally not a campaign.
It's literally a guy in Pakistan.
And he's like, I'm an American.
this is largely why many people have called for Elon to create a nation filter so we can Let's look at it this way.
From Americans.
And then I tweeted something similar.
Why aren't the Western powers that support Israel doing the exact same thing with sock puppets?
Why aren't they creating a counter narrative that Israel is the victim, that Israel should win?
How is it that Israel is losing the PR game?
mary morgan
Well, how do you know they're not?
tim pool
Well, okay, then the reality is they're weak and pathetic.
tate brown
Well, I think they're also dependent on the goodwill of previous generations where it was kind of a consensus, especially among like political wonks, that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East we have to support this.
And it was a given.
So I don't even know if they had a media apparatus to whirl up in time for a situation like this where within 10 years the wind completely blew the.
Right.
tim pool
They did it in the Arab Spring.
So there's no...
If there's a bunch of countries that hate Israel and their citizens are spam-blasting social media saying, like, don't support Israel, where are the individuals who support Israel to counter that message?
They don't seem to exist.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I mean, you definitely see the, what are they, the fellas on Twitter, the little dogs that are supporting Ukraine.
And you really don't see a similar...
tim pool
There are certainly a lot of prominent personalities that are pro-Israel.
There's a lot of politicians.
phil labonte
They're not the same kind of sock puppets that you're talking about.
tim pool
I'm talking about grassroots.
And whether real or fake, I don't care.
I'm saying Israel and its allies and the West are incapable of countering the narrative that has emerged around Gaza and Israel.
Incapable.
unidentified
I think it's a good point.
I think there is sort of this pincer move where both the left and the right, their sentiment on this issue is shifting.
I mean, I think you've pulled it up on one of the streams earlier this week.
I mean, if you pull up the data just over the past decade alone, you don't even need to look over multiple decades.
It's been a rapid shift.
tim pool
Why doesn't Israel just use their connections in government to get anybody critical of Israel banned?
Why doesn't Israel have people Well, like Hassan.
Why doesn't Israel just get Hassan Piker banned?
phil labonte
I don't know.
mary morgan
I think that maybe the alternative to sock puppetry in favor of Israel is fomenting a message on the right that you shouldn't care about this conflict and that you shouldn't talk about it.
And that's something, that's a sentiment I've seen on the timeline in the past week especially.
tim pool
So here's like a good example.
Lurch685 says, why isn't Israel doing advocacy?
WTF is PragerU then.
So if you lack the understanding of the point I'm making, let me try and help you out.
There are run-of-the-mill accounts, not big organizations at a grassroots level, that all over X are saying Israel bad.
And perhaps it's because Israel bad.
I'm not arguing that.
There is not the inverse.
There are some people who do it, but it's nowhere near the volume.
And so my question is, why isn't Israel engaged in this kind of manipulation?
Why aren't Western nations engaged in this PR campaign, whether real or fake?
Whatever.
My point is, online sentiment right now, whether it's from Americans or otherwise, what you see when you go on X is Israel bad.
You do see some people saying, yay, Israel, but they're usually ineffective messaging, and they're not – There's not that many of them.
mary morgan
That's why I'm saying the majority of the messaging I'm seeing from prominent right-wing figures is not Israel bad or Israel good.
It's you shouldn't care or pay attention to this issue because it doesn't concern you as an American, which is false.
That's most of what I've been saying.
And I don't think that that's necessarily people getting paid to say that, but the trickle-down effect is like that is the message that's getting echoed throughout.
unidentified
Do you think that Ukraine had the grassroots support here in the United States, or was it mostly...
It did?
tim pool
This is another point.
This is what I'm trying to make.
You can see random libs all over X with Ukrainian flags.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
And they will spam you into oblivion.
And not only that, I mean, look at the flack that I got when I said, okay, so the story is – There were three Ukrainians accused of bombing the Nord Stream pipeline.
They did it to force the West and Russia into a war to their benefit, which I would say is a criminal action against a NATO ally.
And I said, that makes Ukraine an enemy of this country.
Germany issued the arrest warrant.
Holy crap.
The spam that I had to deal with was insane.
Every hour is 100 plus.
I'm getting death threats.
Jordan Klepper on The Daily Show did a segment about it like a year later.
And it's like an ongoing talking point where Tim was paid by Russia.
Wow.
Nothing like that for Israel.
Nothing.
mary morgan
What I'm trying to say is it might be more effective for them to encourage Americans not to consider this issue.
tim pool
You're saying Israel is advocating people not care about Israel?
mary morgan
I'm just saying it would be more effective for them to spread that message.
tim pool
Is them Israel?
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
So, okay, this is not an argument.
mary morgan
It would be more effective to encourage people on the right to just say, you know, trust Trump.
He's going to do the right thing no matter what.
tim pool
Disagree.
Prominent conservatives who a few years ago had no opinion on Israel have now been getting millions of views saying Israel is evil.
mary morgan
Like who?
tim pool
There's a handful of personnel.
I'm not going to drag this into drama, but there are prominent conservatives who three years ago were not talking about Israel and now routinely talk about Israel.
And from a PR standpoint, this is pathetic in terms of Israel's strategy.
Okay, let's put it this way.
18 to 49 year olds went from Now 50% are.
No country is going to be like, that's a good thing.
mary morgan
With the passage of time and as boomers die, I think Republicans see an obvious shift where Gen Z and millennial people on the right are not going to have popular support for Israel.
I think that it might have something to do with less religiosity in those generations, that they didn't absorb those dispensationalist ideas.
tim pool
But why critical of Israel?
mary morgan
I didn't say that they're necessarily critical of Israel.
tim pool
That's what the shift was.
From 35 to 50, it was critical of Israel.
Like a growing trend in the 18 to 49-year-old demographic is critical of Israel.
And the question is, why is that happening?
mary morgan
It's also because a lot of young people are left-wing and part of that kit and gaboodle is being pro-Palestine.
tim pool
But younger Gen Z is moving rightward.
mary morgan
Gen Z men.
I wouldn't say Gen Z in general.
tim pool
So it is.
It is.
Largely Gen Z men, but younger Gen Z is shifted rightward.
I think supporting Trump.
And although the females are still left-leaning, Gen Z and younger Gen Z is shifting this way.
My point is, if Israel...
Israel's PR tactics, cyber war, and informational war is one of the worst I've ever seen.
And you can look at countries that have done a way better...
And now what we have is, sure, October 7th was bad, but the bombings that Israel's engaged in have gone viral.
And they are being spread around like crazy to the point where there are people on TikTok that just spread photos and videos of dead babies.
And this narrative messaging works.
So it goes like this, out of sight, out of mind.
This is why Coca-Cola spends billions of dollars on marketing, even though everybody knows what Coca-Cola is.
They want to make sure that when you're driving down the street, you see the sign.
Because then when you go to the restaurant, you're like, have a Coke, because it's in your mind.
You know it.
Because of the Israel-Gaza war, And whatever is going on with social media, the mass spreading of these videos, you generate a movement of people that are going to protest in the street and do all of these things.
If there was a suppression of any conversation pertaining to the war, you wouldn't get activists because they would not know what's happening.
If you don't know what's happening, you can't partake.
So the point I'm ultimately making is Israel is either incapable and the West is either incapable or unwilling to engage in PR strategies.
To defend the image of Israel and support thereof.
tate brown
It's also a numbers game, too, because with Ukraine, the support for Ukraine was purely political.
They're a democracy.
They're in Europe.
We should support them.
But like the dichotomy with Israel and Palestine is completely different because there's kind of a kind of an ethnic component to it because it's pan-Arabism.
Like from Morocco to Indonesia, those are Muslim countries and they kind of feel this connection with – So that's part of the reason, like, if you're a political pundit and you post something that's critical of Israel or pro-Palestine, you're going to tap into a massive audience that you otherwise wouldn't be able to tap into, and you get massive engagement.
You go, wow, this must be popular.
And if you dive and just spot-check the likes, these aren't going to be Westerners.
These are going to be, you know, Indonesians.
These are going to be Pakistanis.
tim pool
These are going to be Algerians.
So Laura Loomer brought this up, and I didn't fact-check it, but this was the point she made, that Jackson Hinkle is now in Moscow.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
He had one famous tweet where he said that GTA, something about GTA having a female lead was because of Israel.
And he got thousands of retweets for it and it's like he found his audience.
There are many people around the world who hate Israel and they'll make you rich and famous.
mary morgan
Wait, what was the argument though?
tim pool
I can't remember.
Let me see if I can find what he said.
tate brown
He identifies as a MAGA communist, which is a non-starter.
mary morgan
I've never heard that one before.
phil labonte
Jackson Hinkle?
tate brown
Yeah, Jackson Hinkle identifies as a MAGA communist, but he's tapping into that third world engagement farming.
It's a big thing.
unidentified
Does that mean fiscally left, socially right?
tim pool
GTA 6 is haram Zionist propaganda.
Ban GTA 6. When did he post this?
December 5th, 2023.
unidentified
it's got 3,500 retweets 1.6 million views it's like yeah and then he made he made a rock star it must be a joke uh There was a story two weeks back that I think adds an interesting layer to this.
It's in Wall Street Journal.
The headline was BCG fires two partners over Gaza aid work.
And the headline is, Really what happened was two Boston Consulting Group partners, and if you're not familiar with Boston Consulting Group, it's sort of a prestigious, elite American consulting firm, and they picked up two contracts in Gaza, but basically on behalf of Israel, and were doing implementation work there.
And the reason why this story is interesting is that they essentially got fired for doing that work on behalf of Israel.
And what I think is, what's notable about that is that basically some of this sentiment has moved beyond just activist groups and things like this, right?
That's a serious institution that's quite influential in America, where I think that sort of work probably would have slid by maybe five years ago or something like that.
But in this case, the partners were fired for basically executing work, and you can read more on the details of it, for basically executing work in Gaza on behalf of Israel.
tim pool
Interesting.
What do we got going on over here?
Let's jump to the story from Daily Mail.
We got the story from the Daily Mail.
MAGA influencer Charlie Kirk sparks outrage with controversial advice to female students.
phil labonte
What did he advise her to do something like?
tim pool
Get a husband.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Have babies.
phil labonte
Super controversial for a woman to get married.
tim pool
So he actually said that women only go to college because they want to find husbands.
And that's the real reason.
So over the weekend, Kirk took questions at a Turning Point USA-sponsored event in Dallas, Texas, where a 14-year-old girl asked for his advice on attending college and the pros and cons of higher education.
After the girl mentioned she was interested in pursuing a career in political journalism, Kirk asked all the girls in the audience to raise their hands if their top priority is to, quote, get married and have kids.
Many of them did, including the girl asked the question.
And then he said, you should go back to getting the missus degree.
Slang term for going to college to find a husband.
And he said, no, seriously, and just to be clear, that's why you're going to college.
Don't lie to yourself like, oh, I'm going to study sociology.
No, you're not.
We know why you're here, and that's okay.
He specifically said universities in the Southeastern Conference, many of which are known for being party schools to find a man.
That's a really good reason to go to college, actually, especially an SEC school.
You will find a husband if you have the intent to find a husband at Ole Miss.
What say you, panel?
tate brown
It's true.
Like, my mom went to a really Christian, it was like a Baptist university, and she said that there would be literal booths.
I mean, this was the 80s, so this was 80s or 90s pre-social media, but there would be literal booths on the quad of men that were prepared to go out in the mission field, and they're like, I need a wife before I go.
So there is an element of truth to that.
If you're a woman, you're single, maybe go to a Christian school and go to the booth.
mary morgan
No, this is a way to saddle yourself with debt, and it's not going to be a great selling point.
I didn't have a very normal college experience.
I dropped out of college, but I went to a Catholic school, a very small one.
Speaking from my conversations with female students there, almost none of them had any career ambition whatsoever.
Almost none of them had any interest in using the degrees that they were pursuing.
And there was even a workshop that was put together at my school for women who wanted to become stay-at-home moms.
Because most of them wanted to become stay-at-home moms.
And they were just at college because that seems to be the default.
What you do when you have no other direction in life.
And all the girls there just didn't know why they enrolled.
And there was a demand for something like this.
And this isn't going to get as much attention.
But it reminds me of that uproar over the Harrison Butker speech at, I forget, where was that?
It was at a Catholic school.
It was at a Catholic college, and he was speaking to the young women in the room for part of his speech.
And he basically said there's nothing wrong with aspiring to dedicate your life to your family and not to your career.
And yeah, basically he was just speaking to...
The college doesn't want them to drop out.
the college wants more admissions and they don't really care about what ramifications that will have on the students once they graduate.
tim pool
I don't want to interrupt.
mary morgan
No, go ahead.
tim pool
I think women want babies.
mary morgan
That's true.
tim pool
And I think that the millennial generation largely, as well as Gen Z, are being raised off TV and movies that create this idea and this narrative, especially in media, that women want careers.
And then you see how women act around babies and how men do, and you're like, women want babies.
phil labonte
Women definitely want to be.
mary morgan
But I think that maybe what men don't seem to relate to in the female experience is just how much of a paradigm-shifting, life-altering event might be.
Because they see that there's kind of a dearth of capable, competent men who aren't commitment phobic, who want to be providers.
There are a lot of...
tim pool
I think what's happened to society is that everything's going to go the Elon Musk way.
mary morgan
IVF?
Everyone using IVF?
tim pool
No, not IVF.
I think Elon's largely not using IVF.
phil labonte
A bunch of fabulous children.
tim pool
Yeah, because here's the thing.
mary morgan
I think the majority of his kids are conceived by IVF.
tim pool
No, I don't think that's true.
I think some of them may have been.
That's a rumor.
But we know that many of them were not.
The kids we know of were not IVF.
Some of them are reported to have been.
But either way, that's not the point.
The point is if young women are like, I want to have a family, but men suck, they're going to start going towards wealthy, successful men who have the means to support multiple women.
And they're going to be like, OK.
mary morgan
Well, I don't think that they desire to – I think that most people want to be in a monogamous relationship.
tim pool
Probably.
mary morgan
Including those women.
tim pool
I'd imagine what they really want is a strong man who can provide for a family.
Short of that, they'll go the next step down the list, which is a strong man that can provide, but he's kind of cold and...
mary morgan
That's why all of them are in the corporate world and they're quite enjoying themselves.
tim pool
I don't think they're enjoying themselves.
mary morgan
I think those women, short of finding those men that they would perceive to be capable partners, would rather stay single.
And it's proven that women are more capable of being happy and self-sufficient while single.
Men actually have much worse outcomes if they remain single and unmarried.
tim pool
Yeah, I can see that.
I'm wondering what would happen if there was no birth control, though.
phil labonte
Everything would change.
mary morgan
Literally everything would change.
tate brown
Fix everything.
mary morgan
Yeah.
And I'm glad to see that a lot of women are kind of decoding the lies that were told to them by their doctors, by Hollywood, by their own parents, sadly, that they should kind of despise their own...
phil labonte
We would live on a totally different planet.
mary morgan
Yes.
I mean, women today on birth control, tell me how they're functionally any different from men.
They look like women, but what about them makes them different if they've neutralized their reproductive asymmetry from men?
tate brown
Yeah, it's a completely morbid system where all the incentive structures bend towards sterilizing yourself.
mary morgan
Yet our brains are still...
So that's why the dating world just makes zero sense now.
tate brown
You can go on subreddits where it's men going their own way or whatever the female equivalent is, and every piece of advice on there is basically just telling you to ignore that voice in your head telling you, stop, stop, stop, this is wrong.
tim pool
So we've got to break this one down, but the data shows that women rate a higher life satisfaction.
However, that has nothing to do with happiness.
Guys are always going to rate themselves lower because that's how men are basically built, to always be striving to be.
You're always slightly below where you want to be.
That's why you're trying to do more.
Women report higher frequency of negative emotions.
mary morgan
That is true.
There is a mental health crisis, especially in young women.
tim pool
Or just negative emotions.
mary morgan
Yes.
Yeah.
And they're naturally more neurotic, so that makes sense.
I also want to point out, like, there is some nuance that Charlie Kirk was ignoring in this answer that he gave because...
She runs a real estate company, and she has a long, illustrious career before they even met.
So, I mean, it's not over for you if you go to college and don't get your MRS degree.
Or if you delay reaching those milestones, I don't think a 14-year-old girl needs to be worried about that.
I think there are better things to worry about at the age of 14. So I went to...
tim pool
It's their privacy, right?
And I was there with the wife and the baby, and there was a big event.
And, you know, we go into the lounge area where they've got food and drinks and couches and all that.
And I'll just ask you, where do you think the guys ran to?
tate brown
The man cave.
tim pool
The men.
In this lounge area with a couch, food and drinks, the men all came in and Amelia went towards one thing.
phil labonte
The bar.
unidentified
The bar!
tim pool
That's indeed correct.
It was beers, and everyone grabbed a beer and then went, oh, IPA, and put it back and then grabbed a Bud Light.
Where did all the women go?
phil labonte
Couches.
tim pool
And why did they go to the couches?
mary morgan
They went to the couches.
tim pool
And why did they go to the couch?
mary morgan
To talk.
tim pool
About what?
phil labonte
About the guys.
mary morgan
Each other?
tim pool
No.
mary morgan
Their outfits?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
It's not a trick question.
I explained the scenario.
Let me try again.
mary morgan
Why aren't the guys coming over and talking to us?
tim pool
I was at this lounge with my wife and child.
Where did the men run to?
phil labonte
The bar.
tim pool
And where did the women run to?
tate brown
The baby.
tim pool
The baby.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
tim pool
All of them.
The men, they walk in together, and the guys turn right to the bar, and they go to the fridge, and the women went, ooh, and they all ran back and were going, ooh, what, the baby?
And we all laughed and it was fun and it was cute.
And I have no disdain or anything for the men for wanting to do that.
And I'm just like – Women are always gushing over babies.
And I'm like, man, you really start to see it.
This whole machine state system is imbalanced.
I have no problem with them getting careers and being political journalists or whatever they want to do.
I'm not saying they shouldn't.
I'm just saying that there is a machine state apparatus that tells women to be girl bosses is imbalanced.
It is not congruent with what women are likely to tend towards.
tate brown
I mean, my favorite point on this issue is, if you compare North and South Korea, and this is not an endorsement of North Korea's political system, but South Korea has the worst fertility rate in the world, bar none.
It's like 0.6.
And then North Korea's is like 3.1.
So if you're looking at the two countries, one country's population, when exposed to their system of government, gets exterminated.
And the other people just sort of endure it.
Again, not an endorsement of North Korea.
mary morgan
How many of them survive adulthood?
tate brown
The interesting point is that the human spirit is willing to endure literal Marxist terror.
But when exposed to liberal democracy, they just self-exterminate.
mary morgan
There is an inverse relationship between comfortability and prosperity and fertility.
I don't know what to make of that, but as long as people are comfortable, they're not going to want big families.
tim pool
Why?
mary morgan
I wish I knew why.
There's something about, as you said, the human spirit.
You need to feel like there's some kind of adversity or danger.
Basically, the idea is if you feel like you're not going to survive, you need to reproduce faster.
tim pool
I don't know if I agree with that.
unidentified
Part of this is that children have been...
If you're in New York City and you work at a bank or something like that, you could seriously go three months and just not see an infant.
And I think that might partially explain the phenomenon that you saw where everybody was rushing to the couch in order to interact with the child.
If you're a part of a church or things like that, you might, in those cases, interact with children.
But even then, you see churches sort of segment by age demographics as well, right?
Where there will be a church where all the young adults go to and another one where all the boomers go to or whatnot.
mary morgan
The cry room for the babies.
unidentified
The other element here though is just Yeah, yeah.
So the children are sort of separated away.
mary morgan
Yeah, it's a weird stigma against your baby crying where you have to go into this soundproof room so that you don't disturb everyone during the sermon, which I think is...
If your church isn't crying, it's dying.
tate brown
Yeah, Cernovich made the point.
He was like, notice the hostility towards crying babies on airplanes?
That just says everything about our society.
Oh yeah, it's outrageous.
The most outrageous disturbance possible is the sound of what you sounded like 30 years ago.
mary morgan
Well, I think it's a lot of people who also didn't grow up with large age differences between their siblings, so they don't even remember a baby being in their household.
That includes me as one of three children.
I don't remember my younger brother being a baby.
I didn't hold him or take care of him as a baby because I was too young.
So there's a lot of alienation that starts even from the beginning of your life.
tim pool
You were like Angelica.
What?
Who understood that reference?
You're too young, I guess.
mary morgan
I don't know.
tim pool
You're Angelica?
phil labonte
I'm actually too old for that one.
mary morgan
Are you serious?
phil labonte
Yeah, because I never watched The Rugrats.
tim pool
Ah, but you know what The Rugrats is!
phil labonte
It's because he said it.
tim pool
The Rugrats was a show where the babies could talk, but Angelica was a toddler, and so she could talk to the humans and the babies.
mary morgan
I remember now.
unidentified
I think one other element here, though, is also just broader declining social trust.
And any time you're raising children or any sort of a family life will generally require lots of aunts and uncles and friends and babysitters and people who you rely on to help or just neighbors to play with the kids to help raise the child.
And I think what we've obviously seen is declining social trust.
And some of that's driven by technological change.
Other pieces, it's obviously migration.
And we also see globalization and other things as well, basically making it so that most people are living in a much more isolated fashion.
And in that scenario, it's just way scarier to raise a child, right?
If it's you alone and a husband or wife, that's much more difficult versus if you're embedded in a high-trust community of 300 different people who you've known your whole life.
And it's just much easier in that context to raise a family.
tim pool
And wet nurses.
unidentified
That's right.
tate brown
Yeah.
I mean, I think, like, when I was a kid growing up, like, we had a neighbor babysit me.
And I think now, I think about my neighbors I have now, I wouldn't trust them to watch the frog that was in the studio earlier, let alone a baby.
Like, it's like Mad Max in my neighborhood.
mary morgan
Yeah, and there's this, like, poverty of multi-generational households.
A lot of people complain about boomer grandparents these days who want nothing to do with their grandchildren.
They just want to go on cruises.
They don't see a responsibility toward the next generation.
So that's another factor.
And then there's, you know, fear-mongering on social media about what parenthood will do to your life, and basically that it will screech it to a halt.
So many, so many reasons.
tate brown
I do push back on, like, the multi-generational thing.
Not that you're saying it's like the fix for anything, but like in Spain and the Mediterranean countries, they have multigenerational living.
Children live – So it's like, perhaps there is an element of being around children or being around your grandparents that cross-generational living, but there's an additional factor that's preventing the birth rate, or that's killing the birth rate, because the Mediterranean countries have worse birth rates than Western Europe and America.
tim pool
I'll just make a point about where our society is.
You were mentioning crying babies on airplanes.
Wet nurses were a thing for...
And going back even a couple hundred years ago, not even, like a hundred years ago probably, we had wet nurses.
And children were called milk siblings.
So that's a normal thing.
And now it's like, when you think about it, it's like, that's weird.
Like some other lady's baby on your boob drinking milk.
That's weird.
Totally normal.
Every human civilization did it.
mary morgan
Well, how would you feel about your infant breastfeeding from another woman?
tim pool
It's a similar reaction to, like, eating raw intestine, where it's like, I understand that it's a normal thing humans have done forever, but it's still kind of gross.
So, like, logically, I understand.
This is what humans did to survive.
But viscerally, it's like, ugh.
mary morgan
There's also a visceral stigma around everything having to do with motherhood in general.
Even just the idea of breastfeeding your own baby causes women visceral disgust now.
tim pool
I love this.
I was in the airport.
What airport was I just at?
Where did I go?
I can't remember where I flew to.
L.A. I was in L.A. And they had breastfeeding booths.
And it's like a big oval.
They put against the wall and it's like, breastfeed here.
And I'm like, that's right.
They're going to have to go in the closed closet room.
mary morgan
Can we just not be weird about it?
tate brown
Also, those booths, there's crazy things that go on there.
My friend worked at JFK.
He's like a war veteran now.
You can see in his eyes the terror from what he saw in those booths.
mary morgan
You can't trust people.
tim pool
It's just so weird that it's not just crying babies, it's breastfeeding in general.
That people are afraid, like, how dare you breastfeed your child in public?
It's like, well, that's literally how babies eat.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tate brown
One element you talked about with the wet nurses, that element still, that mechanism still exists in the upper class.
Like if you walk around the Upper East Side of New York City, you're going to see a lot of babies and a lot of toddlers, and they're going to have like Haitian...
They're not breastfeeding, but you're seeing this element of somebody else raising your kids.
yeah there was like this whole piece in the new york times about it and like the culture of nannies in manhattan and that's why that's why baron having a slovenian accent as a child was such like a rare thing in new york because that meant he spent time with his mom and for a billionaire to be raised a billionaire's kid to be raised by his own mother was like an anomaly.
mary morgan
Remarkable.
Truly.
Yeah.
And I also just want to mention another factor for why women seem to be so wary of the idea of getting married and having children is because a lot of them, their parents are divorced and like that's your primordial model for what relationships are supposed to look like.
That's not a good sign.
I think that that's that's a huge reason.
They just don't have a good example.
tim pool
So what you're saying is that we need enforced monogamy?
mary morgan
I mean, I think we could do with a little less divorce.
That's for sure.
phil labonte
I take that as a yes.
mary morgan
I would prefer a society without no-fault divorce.
Definitely.
unidentified
Since we're in West Virginia, I'll make a note about the state.
The state right now has around a 50% retention rate, meaning if you were born here and you were raised in the state, it's a 50% chance you'll stay.
A 50% chance you move somewhere else in a different state.
tim pool
Whoa, that's actually really low, isn't it?
unidentified
No, it's actually on the high end for a U.S. state.
It's 56%.
tim pool
Let's clarify, what do you mean by high?
To leave or stay?
Most people stay, don't they?
unidentified
So, yes, yes.
So, in general, it's on the higher end of basically people choosing to leave.
tim pool
When I meant low, I meant it's low as in people not staying.
unidentified
Agreed, agreed, agreed.
Yes, that's exactly right, depending on which way you look at the figure.
And so, what we basically see is that in America today, that number has been increasing, basically, the number of people who are choosing to leave the state.
And I think that some of that also plays a role as well.
Basically, if everybody is leaving their hometowns where they have more social fabric, essentially, that has downstream implications in terms of when they get married, and then even when they do get married, sort of what family life looks like and such going forward.
And so in a state like West Virginia, you can look at a West Virginia-specific marriage rate, which is also, for prime-age adults, is right around 50% as well.
But I think the more interesting story is about the people in America who basically sort of, they graduate from high school, they go to a college that's out of state, and they go to a coastal city for a job after college, then they job hop a few different times.
mary morgan
The nomadic lifestyle.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
And that's, of course, happening for both men and women.
Usually along the way, they do find somebody who they love and they do get married eventually.
But the question of whether that's the right sort of pipeline for the average American to go down in order for there to be strong family formation and strong communities, I think that that's something that still needs to be investigated further.
I have questions about that.
mary morgan
And then the hometown that you left behind, your family that's from there is also doing the same thing.
And then think about the upcoming generation, Gen Alpha, how many of them are going to have divorced grandparents?
Multiple sets of step-grandparents growing up.
What a confusing way to live.
phil labonte
Yeah.
mary morgan
It's outrageous just to think about that experience.
I don't think any of us have divorced grandparents.
That's just not a thing.
tate brown
Yeah, that's not a thing.
phil labonte
No.
mary morgan
That's a very confusing thing for children.
tate brown
The dream for an American is a loveless relationship and loveless marriage that lasts forever.
mary morgan
Well, if your spouse sucks and they're not abusing you, I mean, you should probably just stay together.
tim pool
You guys saw that video of the guy who proposed to his Chet GPT girlfriend?
phil labonte
Yeah, it's disgusting.
tim pool
I don't know why everyone's spreading the lie.
Like, it's gone viral that he cried when she said yes to the proposal.
That's not true.
And it's weird because tons of articles popped up.
Tweet went viral.
He cried when she died.
mary morgan
Yes.
tim pool
Because the memory reached capacity, and so chat GPT auto-reset the chat, like, end of the chat being, like, terminated.
And then he cried for 30 minutes because his girlfriend had died.
You know, his robot.
mary morgan
Because he's a little bitch.
tim pool
Indeed.
mary morgan
And he even told his wife in that segment, if you ask me to give this up, that would be a deal breaker.
phil labonte
This is crazy.
They need a divorce.
Like I said on PCC.
mary morgan
No, but I think he uses another man to punch him in the face and tell him to get his life together.
He doesn't need to get a divorce.
tim pool
No, he needs to get off JetGPT.
phil labonte
Yes, he definitely needs that.
tate brown
I remember in the new Blade Runner movie with Ryan Gosling where he had basically an AI girlfriend and then he had to basically kill her and he was really stoic about it.
That movie came out in 2018 and I remember watching it like, that's so insane.
What a dystopian future.
Fast forward seven years later and it literally just happened.
tim pool
Alright.
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Join our Discord server at timcast.com to call in.
And we'll grab your chats right now and see what y 'all have to say.
Some Rumble rants.
We got BJ Rooker says Juneteenth made me late for work.
Yep.
phil labonte
All right, then.
tim pool
Indeed.
Whoa, we got some big rumbles.
unidentified
Not so blessed for that gentleman.
tim pool
The Last Stand radio show says, Happy Republican-kicking Democrat Butt Day.
This is what it is.
We are celebrating the Republican defeat over Democrats.
It's a day to be celebrated.
We want more of these days.
Shinich Wilder says, Since we are now on the Iran war cycle, I'm curious if there will be more anti-ice protests this weekend.
Also, do you still have Alex Jones' gay frog in the studio and did you name it Pedro Pascal?
There was a frog in the studio and we threw it in the pond.
tate brown
Yeah, I think it might have.
I might be the smuggler.
I might get a visit from Stephen Miller here soon.
tim pool
You have those green frogs?
phil labonte
Did you name it?
tate brown
I see them in my garden, and I leave my backpack by my door.
So I'm thinking I open my door, frog hops in, and he's just waiting for a free ride.
Just go wherever he wants.
tim pool
He was climbing on the walls, too.
And it was funny because, like, at 1228, you know, in the afternoon, noon, I'm about to pull in Laura Loomer for this interview.
And the frog is jumping.
And then I'm like, I can't get up and leave the show and get the frog.
So then the whole time Laura's talking, I'm just like looking.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
And if you watch the interview, you can see me going like this periodically.
Like, where'd that frog go?
tate brown
It was a great interview.
And you look at the comments and you think they're going to be discussing the contents of the interview.
And they're all just like, where's the frog?
Where's the frog?
tim pool
It was amazing.
And then so I went to the show.
I filmed the video of it.
But for some reason, Twitter video doesn't work.
And it's always been this way.
So only three seconds of it emerged, and you see me going, what?
And I'm like, okay, well, there was a video there.
But then I picked him up, and then we brought him to the pond, and we chucked him in, and they started swimming around.
mary morgan
He was a griper.
phil labonte
Best of luck.
tim pool
Yeah, he was a griper.
phil labonte
Best of luck.
tim pool
Best of luck.
But we've got to just keep an eye out.
Maybe there will be more of them.
tate brown
I'll check my backpack tomorrow.
phil labonte
I mean, it's better than the winter when everything's dead.
tim pool
All right, what do we got here?
Porkchopolis says neither side eats bacon.
This is not my war.
tate brown
I have heard that for, like, immigration, if you can eat a bacon cheeseburger, that should be the preliminary test to be admitted to the United States.
unidentified
Sensible.
tate brown
I do agree with that.
mary morgan
Good place to start.
tate brown
Rules out three different religions.
mary morgan
Bacon is so epic.
tate brown
Literally, yeah.
tim pool
It is great.
You know, I love Korean barbecue.
tate brown
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
You know what my favorite thing at Korean barbecue is?
Pork belly.
Thinly sliced pork belly.
It's basically bacon.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Not as salty, but then, oh man, is Korean barbecue not the best thing ever?
mary morgan
I like the kimchi most.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Kimchi is great.
Because, look, I tell everybody, Korean barbecue is probably the healthiest thing you can get.
They just literally bring you meat, you cook it, that's it, you eat it.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Wonderful.
I like the radish.
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
I don't even eat the rice.
tim pool
No radish.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
I like radish.
tate brown
It is crazy that they expect you to tip too.
Like, I cooked the food, why do I have to tip you?
I did all the work.
tim pool
Well, the place we go, they cook it.
tate brown
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, they bring it out.
mary morgan
Have you tried soju?
tim pool
It's amazing.
mary morgan
So good.
tim pool
That's right.
The Korean in me squeals.
mary morgan
Strawberry flavored soju.
tim pool
It's wonderful.
mary morgan
I'll get you under the table quick.
tim pool
Maybe we should open a Korean barbecue restaurant next to us so that I can eat there every day.
tate brown
I get behind that.
tim pool
I think the bigger problem is I probably consume like 10,000 calories every time I go.
Because I'm just like, I can eat more meat.
phil labonte
There ain't enough skateboarding in the world.
tim pool
If you just keep shoveling the meat onto the grill right in front of me.
Oh, man.
mary morgan
I've had this business idea for a long time where I want to start a North Korean barbecue restaurant called Kim Jong-un's Barbecue, and you have to beg them to give you more food.
And they have actors.
There's a Kim Jong-un mascot.
unidentified
It's all very orderly.
tim pool
That's a really good idea.
phil labonte
Let's do it.
mary morgan
It would only do well in Manhattan.
tate brown
No way.
It's impossible to get out of the restaurant.
There's cameras everywhere.
phil labonte
Half of your meal is actually plastic and fake.
mary morgan
And the waiters have to go by script and Kim Jong-un is watching them all the time.
tim pool
There's a portrait of Kim Jong-un, but the eyes are moving left and right.
That's actually a really good idea.
I will invest in that business.
mary morgan
Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
Clip this.
tim pool
I'm going to steal the idea.
mary morgan
I think it's more of like a retirement side hustle.
tim pool
I'm legit going to go tell Allison.
I'm going to be like, we should open a Korean barbecue place, but it's North Korean.
mary morgan
But people get so offended.
tim pool
No, I'm Korean.
I'm allowed to do it.
mary morgan
You're allowed.
That's right.
tim pool
And if they get mad, they're racist.
mary morgan
Exactly.
tim pool
I think people find it hilarious.
mary morgan
I hope so.
I hope that they wouldn't be too sexy.
tim pool
What's the restaurant where they're mean to you?
phil labonte
Dick's Last Resort.
tim pool
Yeah.
tate brown
I went there.
I didn't know that that was the gag.
I was like, oh my gosh.
That's your problem.
mary morgan
That's like every restaurant now.
tate brown
Yeah, it's true.
mary morgan
There's no concept of customers.
tate brown
Oh, that's a funny bit.
tim pool
Not me.
My experience in local restaurants is that everybody is usually super excited to see me because I always leave a 100% tip.
So now everyone's very nice.
mary morgan
Life hack.
tim pool
Very nice.
They're like, oh, Mr. Poole, you can do no wrong.
And I'm like, here's money.
Keep saying this.
tate brown
Or if you want to go for a fight, you go to Waffle House.
If you've got some anger to take out, there's going to be a fight.
mary morgan
In West Virginia, the Waffle House is very tame.
tim pool
In West Virginia, Waffle House is like, you know, you have that trope of the British guy with the corncob pipe, and they're sitting around talking about, you know, the politics of Liechtenstein.
That's what Waffle House is in West Virginia.
tate brown
It's very classy, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, it is.
tate brown
And you go down south and it's literally like...
It's literally rage in a cage, people throwing chairs, jumping from a roof.
phil labonte
Southern Georgia.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
They're a website to help people find skate lessons and such near them.
I found them because of a sign in my city about skate camp.
Maybe they could use some boards.
Indeed.
Saturday is Go Skateboarding Day.
phil labonte
That's nice.
tim pool
Tell me.
Camp Wild Adventure says, don't let headlines like Democrats are dead lull you into thinking Republicans are destined to win.
Don't stop pushing much love from Montana.
tate brown
It's true.
phil labonte
100%.
tate brown
So true.
tim pool
Okay, I want to eat Korean barbecue for dinner every day, and it's too far away.
So I'm going to open...
phil labonte
Winchester's not that far.
tim pool
They need a Korean barbecue restaurant.
mary morgan
They don't already?
tim pool
I don't think so.
mary morgan
Shocking.
tim pool
They have a really great Thai restaurant, though.
tate brown
They do.
tim pool
Saba.
tate brown
Right on the Old Town.
tim pool
Yeah.
tate brown
It's nice.
tim pool
Winchester's great.
phil labonte
My girlfriend loves Winchester.
tim pool
You know why I like Winchester?
Because it's the same name as a gun.
tate brown
It's true.
tim pool
That makes it a good place.
tate brown
There's just forts everywhere.
tim pool
Yeah, it's true.
tate brown
You can LARP there.
It's great.
tim pool
All right.
All Nicholas says, I wonder what would happen if Iran surrendered and requested to become a U.S. territory.
How many Democrats and neocons head would explode?
unidentified
That's an excellent question.
tate brown
Art of the deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Copian Papi says Trump shot down Iranian missiles, preventing them from hitting their target that they fired in response to an unprovoked attack.
He's already interfered in Israel's war with Iran.
Trump is a war pig.
phil labonte
Yeah, fine.
tim pool
I don't know.
I'm not mad that Trump is like, I'm not going to let you hit somebody.
You know what I mean?
mary morgan
What actually happened is that Israel interfered in U.S. negotiations with Iran, which they were told was inappropriate.
That was like 10 years ago in internet time.
tim pool
I don't remember.
It's like you're at a bar with your girlfriend and then she's screaming at some guy saying, you ain't going to do nothing because you're a loser.
You can't do nothing to me.
And then she smacks the guy.
And then the guy walks over and he's going to hit your girl and it's like, Yep.
So you stop, you're like, bro, you're not hitting her.
She hit me!
And it's like, I know, but come on.
And then she's like, he's going to kick your ass now.
And you're like, oh, here we go.
unidentified
She's the BPD girlfriend.
phil labonte
That's right.
tate brown
Fact check, true.
tim pool
All right.
Pinochet says, why should Republicans have to pay for the sin of slavery?
They're the ones who stopped it.
That sin was paid in blood during the Civil War.
phil labonte
I agree.
Technically, nobody alive today had anything to do with slavery, so maybe we should all just kind of sit down.
tate brown
I do agree.
I think the 400,000 men that perished, that's a good reparation.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's over.
So let's stop bringing that up.
tim pool
Barry Ann McGowan says, would you give away free skateboards to everyone that grew up 50 years ago and couldn't afford one?
Why give away BLM land that we taxpayers already paid for?
Because I don't want the federal government to have it.
And so the compromise is, well, I'd prefer not to give it away just on the basis of reparations, but I do slightly prefer the government not having it.
So, okay.
unidentified
I don't know.
Win-win, I guess.
tim pool
I don't see.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
J.W. Velasquez says, dispensationalism is dumb.
Sorry, not sorry.
I've met dozens of them that will tell you everything from Crimea, Ukraine, and Taiwan to their GFs cheating on them was foretold in the Bible.
tate brown
That's true.
Yeah, it's a big problem.
tim pool
G.G. Willow says Israel is running the accounts against themselves to create sympathy.
that Their sentiment is in the gutter.
562MikeA says, I was on a flight home from the Philippines.
Two babies, 12 hours straight of crying.
It was painful.
I don't have that reaction.
mary morgan
No one thinks it's pleasant, but get over yourself.
tate brown
They have no reason canceling headphones.
Throw a movie on.
tim pool
It's not even that.
I'm not bothered by it at all.
It's not like I'm going to go, aww, babies.
I'm just like, oh.
mary morgan
If anything, women should be more bothered by it than men because of the trigger in your brain.
tim pool
It makes their boobs lactate.
mary morgan
I've never experienced that.
tim pool
It's true.
mary morgan
Personally, I've never experienced spontaneous lactation at the sound of a baby crying.
tim pool
A woman who's not lactating, no.
but women who have babies and are lactating, if a baby cries, their boobs will start lactating.
mary morgan
I think technically if...
You can feed a child if you try.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So for many women, they don't produce milk when the baby is born, and then stimulation triggers the production of milk.
So that's what these trans women do.
They take the drugs that the hormones are required, but they use pumps to stimulate.
I don't know what that is.
It's colostrum.
mary morgan
Yeah.
phil labonte
Gross.
tate brown
That'll be at the North Korean barbecue.
tim pool
No, North Korean barbecue will just have half portions.
So when you order the pound, they'll comment it'll be a quarter pound.
mary morgan
I just gave away my genius idea.
Someone else is gonna do it.
Oh no!
tim pool
North Korean barbecue theme restaurant?
That is a really good idea.
mary morgan
If someone else steals the idea, I won't be mad.
Please do it.
tim pool
But if I do it, you're mad?
mary morgan
I wouldn't be mad if you did it either.
tim pool
Oh, we're gonna open it.
I'm gonna open it in Winchester.
It's going to be the greatest thing ever.
mary morgan
You just buy a KBBQ and rebrand it easy enough.
tim pool
Yeah.
It'll probably take a year to start a Korean barbecue.
mary morgan
You just buy one that already has staff and then rebrand it.
tim pool
But they're not here.
They're far away.
They're all 40 minutes to an hour out.
But I wonder if there's a company you can franchise.
No, because we don't want to have their brand.
We want to be Kim Jong-un's North Korean barbecue.
tate brown
We want the DMZ out front of the shop that you got across.
We want Blair's music across.
tim pool
And any food you don't finish gets dispersed among all the other patrons of the restaurant?
Actually, no.
There's just one big fat Korean guy who eats all of it.
mary morgan
I want there to be an actual bread line, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
Alright.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
Jakely says, speaking as a travel agent in the villages, they definitely love cruising.
I don't remember what that was in reference to.
mary morgan
The boomers?
unidentified
I don't know.
tate brown
Oh, the villages is the boomer village in Florida.
mary morgan
Oh, I see.
tim pool
You know what I have been looking at, which is really crazy, is all these little islands in the middle of nowhere.
unidentified
Do you want one?
tim pool
No, these are cities.
So, like, let's...
phil labonte
Mm-hmm French Polynesia, dude.
tim pool
Like, look, there's like nothing here.
tate brown
That's where Tahiti is.
tim pool
And then, right.
And it's just like, how do you, Bora Bora.
It's like, you've heard of Bora Bora.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Everybody's heard of it.
Look at that.
There's like stuff going on there.
tate brown
Man, imagine.
unidentified
Are those bridges?
tim pool
There's things.
unidentified
Okay, wow.
tim pool
Look at this.
So hold on.
It's crazy.
There are people here.
What are they doing?
tate brown
What do they do all day?
tim pool
Here you go.
Nuku Hiva.
Look at this.
Look at this.
phil labonte
What are you doing down there?
tim pool
Zoom in.
What's going on?
tate brown
What are they planning?
unidentified
Yeah, what's happening?
tate brown
They're scheming there, you can tell.
unidentified
That's an excellent port, by the way.
tate brown
Maybe they're building a nuclear weapon.
unidentified
The shape of that port is insulated.
tate brown
We should go to war with them.
We should.
They're five years away from a nuclear bomb.
phil labonte
Look at this.
Look at that.
tim pool
That's where cruises they go there.
tate brown
It's a really short cruise ship.
tim pool
That sounds like so much fun.
Seeing 10,000 miles away from medicine.
Doesn't that seem like a great idea?
phil labonte
Yeah, it's great.
tate brown
Works for them.
tim pool
Some of the houses are blue.
mary morgan
People who were on cruise ships during the beginning of COVID lockdown were legitimately abused.
unidentified
Oh man, that was crazy.
tim pool
All right, Kyle says, I hope Cash and Dan opened an investigation into ActBlue.
I know James O 'Keefe exposed their corruption previously, but the American people deserve to know if they were primarily funded by USAID.
Interesting.
Grits and Eggs says, 50501 now dissociating with the peacekeepers involved in Utah's fatal shooting.
Evidence is not looking good for the peacekeepers who fired shots.
And Republicans should be coming out and using this as a talking point for why there should be more access for guns and gun training.
And be like, this is why people need to have weapons.
Because these liberals, they're out there and they don't know what they're doing.
They don't got insurance and they're shooting people.
The Emperor's Champion says, this Juneteenth, let us celebrate the liberation of the Democrats' illegal immigrant serfs.
Yeah.
Agreed.
Let's see.
That one gamer says, 22-year-old who can't afford a home here, how long will it be before the Warhawks go after Sadat, I mean Gadah, I mean Khamenei?
You know, Trump is different, though.
And just because in our lifetime this is what it looked like doesn't mean that history will keep doing the same thing.
Because, you know, we had Cold War proxy wars.
Then we had regime change Middle Eastern generation.
We might be looking at something very different.
Trump said he had a phone call with Tucker and Tucker apologized and maybe convinced Trump not to do it.
Maybe Trump really is concerned he's going to split his base and doesn't want to.
phil labonte
Do you guys think that...
Do you guys think that he's already made his decision or no?
tate brown
Yeah, I think he's putting maximum pressure on Iran.
I think he doesn't want to go to war.
He wants a deal.
But you can't negotiate from a position of weakness.
I think the Obama administration tried that with Iran and resulted in a pallet of cash getting dumped on their shores.
So I think Trump's learned from the Obama administration, but he's also not really keen on going to war.
He's also learned from the Bush administration.
tim pool
Maybe.
All right, what do we got here?
Gravy Patch says, normal people look at inflation as an economic issue.
The left look at inflation as another fetish.
We're not the same.
phil labonte
As a fetish?
tim pool
That's what he said.
mary morgan
Don't look it up.
phil labonte
Oh, God.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yikes.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Geez.
Ram Tech says, Phil, do you think we could see the Democratic Party fragmenting from this point on?
phil labonte
I mean, I think that there's going to be some kind of restructuring in the Democrat Party just because of the fact that they can't decide what the Democratic Party stands for.
Do they stand for progressives or do they stand for blue dog Democrats?
Go ahead, sir.
unidentified
No, I think it's an excellent point.
I would actually say the Republican Party has just sort of completed going through this sort of metamorphosis, right?
I mean, there's previously the Buckley fusionism, combination of the Cold War hawks.
The religious right is for the free marketers.
And that has evolved into the modern MAGA movement, which is a combination of what we've been talking about, the populist right, the tech right.
To some extent, the Christian right also still plays a role in the coalition.
And the Democratic Party seems like they're in a state of flux right now, almost like where we were, sort of between the Bush era and, let's say, sort of peak MAGA, like Trump 2.0, coming into 2025.
And there's all these open questions, right?
I mean, in the past, the unions were a part of the Democratic Party.
That's a huge question mark.
Also, in the past, the sort of broader academic consultant managerial class was all sort of firmly in the Democratic Party, but a lot of them have been sort of destabilized by certain, you know, sort of the Harvard and McKinsey consultant types.
Their grip on power has been slightly destabilized by some of the policies of the Trump administration.
And then the other, I mean, really the client group of the Democratic Party up this point has been this sort of migrant underclass, and also with the deportations and other Trump policies.
I think that their coalition has been weakened, and I think they are in many ways quite disorganized.
And a new coalition will emerge, but it's entirely possible that the Democratic Party could look quite different.
In the next election here in 2026, it could be something like what we were talking about before, where a disaffected faction coming out of this Iran-Israel question either folds into the Democratic Party.
I've also previously talked about how certain factions in what used to be the religious right could very naturally slide into the Democratic Party, sort of the Christianity Today, Wheaton College, even some of the dispensationalist types.
This is a massive number of people that they generally hold to egalitarianism.
They're generally pro-foreign aid.
Are they an ideologically left group?
I would say that, which group specifically?
phil labonte
The one you're talking about, the religious group that you think that could slide into the Democrat Party.
unidentified
Yeah, I would say that the leaders, for example, such as David French or people at Wheaton College and other, David French writes for the New York Times.
Yeah, exactly, these sorts of people, they, I think that up And I think that a few sort of bones thrown their way.
They hate Trump way more than they hated Biden.
And these people have tens of millions of followers who could potentially sort of shift in that direction.
So just like we gained the union voter, I would argue that there's a possibility where they gain basically the dispensationalist Christian.
tate brown
They're going to gain the whole monitor vote?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
They gain the whole monitor vote.
tate brown
All they do is just like tattletale on the right.
phil labonte
It's just the worst people.
tate brown
Literally, yeah.
phil labonte
In D.C. Yeah.
Well, I mean, if David French is among them, then it's definitely, you know.
tate brown
That's what I said.
It's the Hall Monitor Coalition.
unidentified
He represents a pretty sizable—they love sort of the decorum, and these are generally people who are obviously more pro-interventionists, and so this could also be a sort of a trigger or sort of a catalyst.
phil labonte
You don't think those people are already Democrats?
You think those people have been voting for Donald Trump?
unidentified
I think David French has been—did not vote for Donald Trump.
Definitely not.
But there is a group of people who follow and listen to him who I think perhaps were, you know, they voted for Romney and McCain and Bush and maybe voted for Trump the first time, but are sort of poised to shift in to vote for maybe a center-left candidate.
tate brown
I think the abortion issue is going to be make or break for them because that's kind of the one thing they all rally around.
unidentified
That's correct.
And maybe what that looks like is maybe the Democratic Party softens on that issue or throws a bone, that bone or a different one towards them.
I think that in some ways, in some ways.
And you're right to identify that as the key issue.
tate brown
I just don't think their base has an appetite to moderate right now.
phil labonte
I don't think the base has an appetite to moderate at all.
The base of the Democratic Party right now is the most progressive thing that I've ever seen in the United States.
tate brown
I think they're going to get a Trump from the left.
They're going to get an outsider who's going to come in and galvanize the base.
It's obvious.
unidentified
Who do you think they could be?
tate brown
Yeah, it's going to be a prominent celebrity.
It has to be.
I don't think so.
I mean, for a second I was thinking Stephen A, but he's too moderate.
There's no appetite for that.
tim pool
The issue is the gender stuff.
The Democrats cannot abandon it because it's a solid 10% of their base, but it sours the majority of that.
tate brown
I could see, and I'm not saying him specifically, but someone in the strain of a Mark Ruffalo could easily have a pathway.
tim pool
I mean, certainly in regards to a charismatic person trying to come in, but they're going to have to adhere to ideas that sour with most people.
So the Democratic Party is going to end up being 20-some-odd percent of the country.
tate brown
No, I agree they're going to lose.
I'm just saying as far as what's the future of the Democrat Party, they're going to have their own outsider.
phil labonte
They have to drop the LGBTQ stuff.
tate brown
It's not going to happen.
It's their religious adherence at this point.
tim pool
Well, they can't afford to lose 10% of their fundraising.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
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unidentified
So, I currently work at New Founding, and I would say that if you're a founder specifically, somebody who's working on something you'd consider to be a critical civilizational problem, our DMs are open on X. You can find us at the New Founding handle.
I'm also at Nathan Halberstadt.
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Follow me on Twitter at RealTateBrown on Instagram as well.
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I want to drop some insane Africa stories.
So if I get some more followers on Twitter, I will drop them and they will be nuclear.
Get ready.
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Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for hanging out.
tim pool
What is up?
So look at this.
Joe Rogan stunned by disturbing alien photos leaked by ex-Pentagon chief.
Yeah, but the Daily Mail censored them all.
I gotta be honest.
If I were approaching this story as someone who didn't know what was going on, and I saw that picture of Joe Rogan's face, and then this, it looks like he's looking at junk.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, someone shows you this photo, and they're like, look, this is Joe Rogan.
That's what he saw.
You'd be like, uh...
Yeah.
unidentified
It's not very flattering, yeah.
tim pool
I don't know why the Daily Mail blurred these images.
tate brown
Did that come from Jeff Toobin?
tim pool
Looking at alleged pictures of real aliens.
So, aliens are real.
They've proven it.
Let me see if they show the actual images here.
Oh, look at that.
tate brown
Oh, gosh.
unidentified
Yeah, look.
tim pool
I don't know what that is.
Little aliens.
tate brown
I think you'll see that at Waffle House.
tim pool
You can't even really see anything.
At Waffle House?
tate brown
Yeah, it's the staff.
tim pool
So that's the news.
Aliens are real.
It's confirmed.
Joe Rogan proved it.
And your religions are all fake?
phil labonte
One of them looked like a scab.
Gross.
tim pool
We are still muted.
There we go.
Yeah, well, I don't know.
What else is going on?
phil labonte
Aliens that look like scabs are taking over the Joe Rogan experience.
tim pool
What is this one?
Oh yeah, the illegal immigrant population fell by one million in the first five months of Trump.
mary morgan
From self-deportation?
tim pool
This one just says general.
tate brown
They've only gotten out like 200,000, so it'd have to be self-deportation.
phil labonte
The more pressure you put, like there's a lot of people that have poo-pooed the idea of self-deportations and stuff, but the more pressure you put on illegal aliens here, the more difficult you make it for them just to live here and do normal things, the more will go away.
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