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U.S. Enters Israel Iran War In Defense Of Israel, Deaths CONFIRMED After Iran Strikes | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
The Israel-Iran war is escalating.
Both countries are firing at each other.
Iran is claiming 78 dead in Israel.
There's reports of at least one death with several injured.
And the U.S. has now entered the war in defense of Israel, along with other allies, to intercept missile strikes from Iran.
Iran is threatening to target U.S. bases in the region, saying that they will be held fully accountable for their assistance in aiding Israel in these strikes.
Now, initially, the U.S. said they didn't know anything about it.
Trump has now come out and said, we knew everything.
And it's being reported by Israeli news sources that this was a psy-op.
The Trump administration was pretending to want to negotiate peace to deceive Iran into thinking a strike would not happen.
Iran has now come out and said, we were deceived.
So welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the U.S.'s involvement in the Israel-Iran war, something that I think most of the Trump base did not want.
And now MAGA is split.
Tucker Carlson is ragging on these neocon personalities and saying Trump is complicit in this.
So, oh boy, we had a lot to break down in exactly what's going on.
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And I want to give a heartfelt message But holy crap, are things getting crazy?
Not to mention Marines are actually on the ground right now in L.A. On the ground.
So we're going to talk about all of that.
Joining us tonight, we've got a couple of guests.
We've got Anthony Cabasa.
anthony cabassa
Hey, thank you so much for having me, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
anthony cabassa
My name is Anthony Cabasa.
I'm an independent journalist out of Los Angeles, California.
I have been covering the protests there since last Friday when they began.
They began violent, regardless of what Gavin Newsom says.
And yeah, just been documenting everything that's been happening there.
So thanks for having me.
tim pool
Right on.
And this gentleman has returned from the morning.
anthony cabassa
Let's go.
aiden mattis
Yeah, I was here earlier for Culture War.
My name is Aidan Mattis.
I am the host of the Lore Lodge, History Unhinged, and Weird Bible Podcast.
And I primarily do history stuff on YouTube.
tim pool
Right on.
Ian is here.
ian crossland
Hey, guys.
Ian Crossland up in this.
I'm an actor and musician and a producer.
Happy to be here.
I also have the magnificent Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the story from Axios.
Iran strikes back at Israel.
U.S. helps to intercept missiles.
Axios reporting Iran launched a major counterattack against Israel on Friday, firing around 100 missiles in two barrages.
The retaliatory attack began 18 hours after Israel launched a war against Iran, attacking its nuclear facilities and missile sites and killing top military leaders and nuclear scientists.
The U.S. is helping to intercept incoming ballistic missiles, according to an Israeli official and a senior U.S. official.
So, ladies and gentlemen, the U.S. is now in the war.
Now, call it whatever you want.
Some might say, I know that the more pro-Israel side is going to say, we are not at war with Iran.
We're simply defending an ally.
And I know that the anti-Israel side is going to say outright, we have just started a war with Iran.
But I think it is fair to say, settle that aside, what is Iran thinking about this?
They are threatening retaliation because the U.S. defending Israel and supplying them with weapons while Israel is bombing them.
As far as they're concerned, we are at war with Iran.
We are actively involved in Israel with weapons, and we are helping intercept the missile strikes against them.
That's how Iran's going to see it.
The question is, does this result in Iranian attacks on U.S. assets in the region?
Considering what Trump has been saying about we knew, and Iran saying that the U.S. was deceiving them, I think it's very likely.
Now, a couple quick updates.
This is massive.
From Fox News, the Kyria compound, Israel's equivalent to the Pentagon, has been hit.
We have this report from Fox News.
Let me see if I can play it.
unidentified
Trey Yinkst has been up all night, is standing by with all the details.
Trey, what can you tell us?
Yeah, Laura, following that Israeli attack against Iranian nuclear facilities and top IRGC leadership overnight and into today.
The Iranians have responded with three waves of ballistic missiles.
This is Israel's version of the Pentagon, the Kiryat.
And the building on this compound was just hit.
You can understand here, it's very tense at this specific location because the Iranians are now targeting the defense establishment of Israel.
Wow.
tim pool
So here we go.
We also have this from Fox News, Trey Yanks.
An Iranian ballistic missile struck a residential building in the suburbs of Tel Aviv.
At least one woman has been killed and 20 others injured.
So, so far, all I've seen is one death in Israel.
I'm not entirely sure.
There is a video, actually, which I'll see, which shows the rocket strike.
It's close up.
So, I don't know.
What do you guys think?
There's a lot to break down on this.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, go ahead.
ian crossland
Well, I think that The French and the British, basically Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister, wanted to appease Hitler because Hitler wanted old German land back.
He wanted a piece of Poland.
He wanted part of Czechoslovakia.
So the British gave him Czechoslovakia.
They gave him the western part of the Sudetenland.
And because of that, the Germans kept building up and building up and building up their military until it was too late.
tim pool
So this is a video of an Iranian ballistic missile striking downtown Tel Aviv.
ian crossland
And the idea is hypersonic maybe, like the bypassing the Iron Dome's capabilities, new weaponry.
But I think the argument that Netanyahu is making is that he's preempting a military buildup, that if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they will use it.
They will obliterate Tel Aviv.
You think that was big?
You know, imagine, you know, whatever.
modern day military warhead.
phil labonte
And so it's like if we don't stop them and Do you find that argument compelling, that they would actually use a nuclear weapon on Israel?
Because, honestly, like, legitimately, I don't think they would.
I think the reason that they want a nuclear weapon is because, you know, North Korea has a nuclear weapon, and the U.S. isn't breathing down their throat talking about regime change.
Libya gave up their nuclear weapon, and then, you know, a couple years later, NATO was running air cover for the rebels.
So I don't think that Iran actually wants it specifically so they can use it to essentially set in motion the destruction of the Iranian regime, right?
Because even if they killed a bunch of Jews or a bunch of Israelis and did massive damage— I feel like Iran would stand to lose a lot more, personally, if they were to nuke, if they want to hit Israel.
anthony cabassa
They know, and this is something I was watching Tucker Carlson the other night, and he was interviewing that and saying that we've been made to believe that both Iran and China are these big threats, but they're really not.
Our threats are sometimes our neighbors.
Mexico has killed more Americans than Iran probably has in the last couple of decades.
phil labonte
Agree about Mexico.
Disagree about China.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
anthony cabassa
Right.
No, yeah.
And hey, my mom's from Mexico.
We're right there.
And we see the disaster and the implications of having a bad neighbor to our south.
And I think somebody – I don't know if it was Jack that posted, when are we going to strike the cartel sites in Mexico the same way we're hitting Iran?
And I think it's valid.
tim pool
Israel took out all of their top military brass, and the U.S. is like, well, I don't know.
Cartels are actively killing people all the time.
It's crazy.
anthony cabassa
And I don't know how anyone can look at the president of Mexico now where Donald Trump kind of extended his olive branch and said, look, if you want us to help you with your cartel problem, we can.
But of course she wants to make it seem like, oh, we will never allow another country to come in and take care of our own problems.
We can do it by ourselves.
But it's like, okay, you're kind of telling on yourself right now.
tim pool
So I'm seeing a lot of people post, Israel has a right to defend itself.
And I'm like, wait, wait, hold on.
You're not seriously implying that a preemptive strike on Iran was self-defense?
ian crossland
That's been since thousands of years they've been making that argument.
It is.
The Romans did it.
They were like, look, because sometimes if you just sit back and wait and the enemy on the other side of the border builds up their military and you don't do anything, then they invade you.
They destroy your industrial capacity.
you can't rebuild your counterattack.
So you do the, That's right.
tim pool
Offense is defense.
ian crossland
It's the best defense, a lot of people say, in war for sure.
Like the French before World War II?
phil labonte
If you're in a situation where you have to defend your life, like if you've got a gun, you don't have to wait for someone to punch you to take your gun out.
tim pool
So let's try this.
Your neighbor says they are going to kill you, and then you're like, okay.
And then one day you see him standing in his front yard assembling a.308 while smiling at you.
Do you have a right, or does it make sense to attack them?
ian crossland
Technically, legally, no.
Orally.
aiden mattis
I mean, in real life, you call the police.
tim pool
I don't think that's a fair analogy.
ian crossland
In war, there's no law.
Sorry to interrupt you there.
tim pool
Yeah, it's very different when you're dealing with a nuclear bomb and mass casualties.
The scale of death is where things get weird.
Now, I'm just saying there are people who are ideologically captured on Israel.
I call them the Israel first people.
And they are like, denounce Israel strikes on Iran, Tim.
And I'm like, I don't care.
I literally don't.
I'm not going to denounce Burma or whatever it is China is doing or Tibet and Pakistan.
Israel, Iran, whatever.
I'll denounce the U.S. involvement and say the U.S. should not be involved in this.
anthony cabassa
And I don't know if you guys have also seen, there's articles going around that as far back in the 1980s, Israel has been putting out headlines, you know, Iran is close to a nuclear war within five years.
And there was like another one in 1995, like they're months away from an atomic bomb.
And then like fast forward 45 years and it's like the same headline over and over again.
Just, hey, there's a nuclear war that's about, and we have to go in there.
To me, it just doesn't make sense because Israel, they've got They're going on in Syria.
They're going on in Lebanon.
They're going on in Yemen.
They're going on in—they've still got Gaza to take care of.
Why launch a new assault on Iran, knowing that the backlash—and then when I saw that they were getting a—you know, that they had assaulted and done drone strikes in Iran, they're saying, like, oh, now Israel is asking all its citizens to flee, you know, into shelters because Iran is going to hit back.
And I'm like, well, what did you expect was going to happen?
aiden mattis
Well, you almost wonder if they knew that was going to happen and if they're using it as a cause.
ian crossland
You know, and that Pentagon thing they got there, what's it called?
That building that they have?
It's a civilian military site, so it's like a human shield site.
If it gets hit, blown up, they're going to be like, oh, the civilians that were there!
tim pool
Pentagon is the same thing.
phil labonte
Yeah, like the military is usually directed by the civilians in like most.
ian crossland
In the late 70s, there was an Iranian revolution.
The Shah, which was democratically elected president of Iran, got overthrown in, suspectedly, a CIA coup.
The Israelis may have been involved, but they put in this radical religious sect, this Ayatollah Khomeini, this intensely radical Islamist, who's like the perfect enemy.
And now they have an enemy to fight.
It's similar with Hamas.
The Israelis are, apparently, they propped up Hamas because they needed someone to fight against.
phil labonte
The United States didn't back the Shah.
ian crossland
They backed the revolution.
aiden mattis
We overthrew the Shah and installed a democratic regime, which was then overthrown by the Islamic revolution.
tim pool
So even right now, we've got a super chat.
And with respect to Scott Thomas and your 64 months...
He says, stop simping for Israel.
They had negotiations for Sunday.
They could have waited, but decided to be the aggressor.
This is what I'm talking about.
How is it simping for Israel to say the U.S. should not be involved in Middle Eastern conflicts?
Because I have to be anti-Israel?
I'm as anti-Israel as I am anti-Burundi.
anthony cabassa
And not only that, but I think, you know, this is something that my audience has been asking me is why does Israel keep announcing?
Why does the U.S. keep announcing that they're going to strike on Sunday?
They're going to strike on Sunday.
Why tell your enemy?
But it's also public pressure, right?
Because if now Israel can kind of go back and the U.S. can kind of go back and like, look, for months and for weeks we've been putting out, we need to strike a deal, we need to strike a deal.
But you opened up the segment, Tim, with the fact that I guess Israel is admitting that this was all like a ruse, that the deals were actually just to like kind of deter Iran and kind of have.
So that's kind of a shocking revelation.
The fact that it looks like Donald Trump is saying, yeah, we've been lying to Iran.
So now I know there's a lot of people pissed off at Donald Trump because they're like, what the heck?
tim pool
Trump wasn't really negotiating peace.
aiden mattis
Well, also more importantly, he wasn't just lying to Iran.
He was lying to us.
unidentified
All of us.
aiden mattis
He told us that we weren't involved in this and now it turns out we were.
tim pool
So we got a video.
It looks like somebody who was in the building that got hit filmed it.
Check this out.
unidentified
Man, okay.
Yo.
Jeez.
tim pool
That's crazy.
unidentified
Yo!
Yo, get out.
tim pool
Or he's right next to the building that got hit.
aiden mattis
I like that it's going back and forth between Hebrew and English.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
aiden mattis
He's cursing in English.
unidentified
Right, right.
anthony cabassa
But he's in shock in Hebrew.
tim pool
Yeah, let's see what else I can pull up here.
What's the next?
Here we go.
This is a story from the Dallas Morning News.
We knew everything, Trump says, as U.S. shifts military resources after Israel hits Iran.
It's from the AP, as reported by Dallas Morning News.
The United States is shifting military resources, including ships in the Middle East, in response to Israel's strikes in Iran.
President Donald Trump told Reuters on a phone interview Friday that he and his team knew everything.
About Israel's plan to attack Iran, and that he had given Tehran fair warning it needed to make a deal on its nuclear program.
We knew everything, and I tried to save Iran humiliation and death.
I tried to save them very hard because I knew, because I would have loved to have seen a deal worked out.
They can still work out a deal, however, it's not too late.
So this is, initially, the talk was that the Trump team and the White House had no idea, and they were planning negotiations.
I think, I don't know if we have this one.
No, we don't have one pulled up.
We do have this.
Trump says Iranian negotiators working with the U.S. are no longer alive.
He says they didn't die of the flu.
They didn't die of COVID.
Israeli sources had been reporting, check this out, how an Israeli-American deception campaign lulled Iran into a false sense of security.
Israeli officials says Trump's warnings to Netanyahu not to attack, as well as stories of Israeli officials flying to the U.S. and PM taking a short vacation, were put out to fool the regime.
Now, I don't know how much of that is true, but with Trump saying we knew everything, it sounds like that may have been the case.
That the U.S. was basically saying, no, no, no, we want to negotiate with you, considering Trump's the one who killed the nuclear deal.
Him saying, I want to negotiate you, it's plausible.
And the reason why they're keeping this from the American...
But it's entirely possible.
Trump was trying to maintain the posture of we don't want to be involved in this conflict, getting those stories out so Iran thought the attack would not happen.
ian crossland
Netanyahu also said he wants an Iranian revolution.
He wants the people to overthrow the dictatorship that is their government.
He doesn't have a problem with the Iranians.
It's the government.
It's the dangerous, psychotic.
This is his argument.
I think Trump might feel the same way.
And I'll tell you what, if I was in their position, if I was the Ayatollah Khomeini right now, and I was betrayed like this by the Americans in the middle of the peace deal, I would never forgive them, literally never forgive them.
So unless they're removed from power.
Or destroy, whatever.
Unless they're removed from power, I don't see this conflict ending.
Now, if there is a regime change in Iran, and there's a democratically, you know, maybe there's a republic that's instantiated, maybe.
Maybe that can quell the violence, but I don't see it.
Other than that, I don't see it.
phil labonte
That kind of wasn't the result in Iraq.
I don't know that that would be the result in Iran either.
ian crossland
Iran was a successful Democrat.
aiden mattis
They do have a much longer history as a as a this is going to sound bad, but as a civilized state, like they have been around independently for thousands upon thousands of years.
On the other hand, Islam is a...
It's a religion that likes violence.
And the concern that I would have is that what Trump may not be understanding here is that...
So when you look at the people who are in charge of Iran, as much as the regular average Iranian probably isn't a hateful person, the people in control are, and their opinion is that it is better to die than it is to submit to the world outside of Islam.
And that would be the concern I would have.
I think it's...
They will happily kill them before giving up power.
ian crossland
I heard that the Israelis basically launched a surgical strike, destroying members of the Iranian government and military, like top brass, top nuclear scientists.
phil labonte
They were literally killing people in the room, like they were selecting the room that they were in, shooting ordnance into the room.
That really basically just killed people in the room, and it didn't destroy the building or whatever.
tim pool
Sorry, go ahead, finish.
I just wanted to clarify your point.
It's not when the end days come.
It's that they won't come.
The quote is, the day of judgment will not come until Muslims fight Jews and kill them.
Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out, O Muslim, there's a Jew hiding behind me.
Come and kill him.
That was actually in the Hamas charter, too.
aiden mattis
Yeah, their eschatology has it that when we come to that point.
That the war will happen and then even these stones and trees will cry out against the Jews.
tim pool
That is a prerequisite for them to meet the day of judgment to do this.
aiden mattis
And that might, when you look at the Shia position and the intense religiosity of the Iranian regime, I would be very concerned about what they might perceive this to be.
ian crossland
It's interesting.
The caliphate is an interesting concept that a religion itself formed a state.
The Muslim caliphate in, like, I don't know what it was, 700 A.D., 800 A.D. I mean, Israel is technically a religious state, but that there was, like, a country, but there was also this caliphate that was a country.
Like, was Muhammad, like, a governor?
Was he a president?
What was he?
phil labonte
He was a prophet.
And a war leader?
He was a warlord, yeah.
aiden mattis
And in Islam, the caliphs are basically his direct descendants sometimes, and depending on which Shia or Sunni, might be a more spiritual succession, and in some cases it's a more direct lineage from, I believe, his cousin.
That it's intricately tied into the governance of the system is like— Oh, they fully believe that the successor of Muhammad is the one who should lead both the religion and the state.
phil labonte
Yeah, and that's a big part of the problem because of a lot of the things that the religion specifically said, specifically about Islam.
aiden mattis
And I understand I got cooked this morning, I know.
But they don't see it as a partnership.
It is one.
And that person is to lead Islam into a position where it overtakes the world.
But of course, then it has to shrink back and it has to be cornered.
It's kind of like Revelation.
Muhammad just kind of took Revelation and rewrote it.
phil labonte
It has to shrink back and be cornered?
aiden mattis
Yeah, it expands, and then it is defeated, pushed back to Jerusalem.
It's really crazy how this is all in revelation and other wording.
And then 600 years later, some guy in Arabia is like...
ian crossland
You know, as a bit of a tangent, Muhammad reminds me a lot of Alexander the Great in his story.
He was like a young, well, middle-aged war leader, and then hugely successful people fought him.
Then when he died, basically his generals split up his empire and formed their own countries or culture groups.
The same thing that happened with Alexander.
Similar thing, similar thing.
I think Alexander was poisoned by his men, though.
anthony cabassa
I definitely think there's also an interesting conversation happening in which, obviously, now it's looking like Donald Trump knew everything, right?
That could mean two things.
We were playing Iran to kind of surprise it.
Or it could mean Israel had always informed us what they were planning on doing.
And I was actually trying to strike a deal with Iran through these last weeks.
And I mean, look, like how much time they gave Iran, right?
So, I mean, I think Trump in some way can kind of be like, look, I was doing my part.
Of course, Israel needs to run it by us.
But I think that there was like, you know, I've heard like people like Ben Shapiro say, you know, like and then you had.
Mark Levin saying that, who are we, the United States, to tell Israel that they're not allowed to strike Iran?
And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, look, that can only be true if we take the Ben Shapiro route, in which we're just completely disengaged.
But if we're sending money over to Israel, and they're depending on us, which the reports show that America has interfered and intercepted a lot of these missiles.
Well, wait a minute, what happened?
I thought Israel didn't need us.
tim pool
Yo, they brought Mark Levin on Fox and Friends this morning, and that dude— Yeah, he's lost the plot, man.
He was, like, fervently saying, it is America first to defend Israel and fight Iran and all that stuff.
And he's like, and they call me a neocon.
And I'm like, that's not America.
Like, that's literally not.
It's the antithesis of America first.
anthony cabassa
You know, I will say this is something that I actually have a conversation with my audience about, you know, being Hispanic myself, my mom from Mexico.
Yeah, like we don't have.
Like, I see, like, all these, like, Americans, kind of like evangelicals, talking about, like, this undying loyalty to Israel.
But, like, in Los Angeles, we don't, like, my mom never, we never grew up really having, we never talked about Israel.
tim pool
You've never been?
anthony cabassa
What's that?
tim pool
Never been?
To Israel?
ian crossland
Shout out to Douglas Murray.
anthony cabassa
Oh, yeah.
I haven't gotten invited.
aiden mattis
Well, are you Catholic?
anthony cabassa
I'm not Catholic, no.
aiden mattis
But you are?
anthony cabassa
I'm Christian, yeah.
aiden mattis
I'm going to take another L as a Protestant today.
This is rough for me.
But this is, again, Protestantism, which is largely where the idea that we're supposed to defend Israel comes from, because it's not that Americans are supposed to defend, it's Christians are supposed to defend the Jews.
Christians are supposed to defend Israel.
And this is a...
anthony cabassa
But I've heard that before, not to interrupt you, but what I would ask is, so then how did Christians bless Israel or Jewish people before 1948?
So like between...
aiden mattis
We persecuted them quite a bit in the Middle Ages.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Jews in the Bible are the ones that killed Jesus.
So that was like, they were the enemy in the Bible.
So the Christians basically, they set that up pretty early on to let you know the Jews are the enemy.
aiden mattis
Anti-Semitism was kind of the default position of the church for a very long time.
Not necessarily like Hitler's version of it, but...
They should not be included amongst us has been the way it's been viewed for a very long time.
ian crossland
Then the Zionist movement appeared in the 1850s, and they were like, well, we want to set up a Jewish state.
Let's work together with the British Empire, this big British corporate empire, whatever, with the East India Trading Company.
And they set up Israel.
They basically worked on this plan to get the country of Israel.
So the politics of Israel don't matter at the local level.
it's only when you start talking geopolitical, the point of that country being where it is to protect the Suez Canal to dominate the trade region, then if you start to question the validity of it, they'll start throwing religion Yeah.
phil labonte
But a big part of why there's a fight over Israel is because of...
Jerusalem, right?
Because like the Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all consider Jerusalem to be like their holy city.
So it's not just about like the Suez Canal or about the Internet, the liberal global order, whatever you want to call it.
Like there is like deep seated religious reasons for both of the groups that are PO'd about Israel to want.
anthony cabassa
But see, here's the thing is, so I still have family in Mexico, and we go visit all the time.
I was just there not too long ago.
And it's just something that even in the churches, even the culture there, we never, ever, ever speak about Israel.
We never talk about it.
Whether it's in the news or not, it's not like we're like, oh my gosh, what's going to happen?
The Mexican people are not demanding that their government be like, hey, you need to do something.
But then here, like you have people like Mark Levin, and he's like, like you said, it's America first to be like, And I've gone to Peru.
I've gone to Honduras.
You just never hear this.
It's just such a weird concept.
tim pool
What you're saying is someone needs to launch MYPAC?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
anthony cabassa
MYPAC.
tim pool
Yeah, the Mexican-Israel Public Affairs Committee.
See, that's the thing.
You don't have an APAC in Mexico.
phil labonte
Well, the Israelis...
tim pool
On my pack.
phil labonte
Yeah, the Israelis have already...
INVOLVED.
tim pool
What about Canada?
Do they have a PSYPAC?
ian crossland
I hope they do.
aiden mattis
I feel like Canada is in China's pocket at this point.
tim pool
Yeah, they have a CCC PAC.
aiden mattis
Secret Chinese police in Calgary.
phil labonte
Well, there was talk of that here in the U.S. as well.
The FBI mentioned that there were actually, I think it was like San Francisco area, New York, Boston kind of area.
tim pool
I'm sorry, Senator.
It's Friday the 13th.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, it is.
tim pool
And we're just off the full moon.
I wish I could say it was a full moon, but that was the 11th.
ian crossland
Oh, hot.
aiden mattis
So we're close enough.
tim pool
So it's 95% illumination on the energy.
aiden mattis
95% illumination, Illuminati.
tim pool
That proves it.
aiden mattis
Yep.
He's got it.
ian crossland
God is real.
I think that the reason you don't hear about it as much in Mexico, and we do in the United States, and I wonder if they hear about it in Britain.
I don't know.
Maybe you guys know more.
Or in Australia, the Five Eyes Spy Club.
I feel like they set up Israel and gave it nuclear weapons.
And I say they, I mean like the liberal economic order that hold out of the British.
You know, corporate empire.
I call it corporate because when they created the East India Trading Company, that thing took over India, took over China.
It took over.
Like, it took over.
So they set it up.
They gave it weapons.
They basically created a nuclear bulwark in the East to protect our interest, the liberal economic order's trade interests.
And they're highly obsessed with maintaining it.
That's why you hear about it constantly in the Five Eyes countries.
tim pool
It's the world order.
When George H.W. Bush said in like, what was it, the early 90s?
93. He said, some people can imagine a new world order.
The phrase new world order literally was a reference to the liberal economic order and the restructuring of it.
And then when a bunch of people started saying the new world order, they weren't describing a proper noun.
ian crossland
Yeah, like at one point, the liberal economic order was a new world order.
anthony cabassa
There's actually a soundbite of President Biden saying, it was one of his ramblings early on, and he was talking about, there's actually a soundbite of him saying, in front of like a press conference, saying that a top general told him in a top secret meeting that the liberal world order began after World War II.
And I was like, what a very odd thing to say.
And it just kind of went into that.
tim pool
Here we go.
unidentified
is more than one small country.
It is a big idea, a new world order, where diverse nations are Hold on.
than one small country.
Okay.
The universal aspirations of mankind.
Peace and security, freedom and peace.
Freedom and the rule of law.
bill clinton
So I say we must clean the house of white America of racism.
Americans who are in the white majority should be proud to stand up and be heard denouncing the sort of racist rhetoric we heard on that tape, so loudly and clearly denouncing it that our black fellow citizens can hear us.
White racism may be black people's burden, but it's white people's problem.
tim pool
I don't know what that has to do with the New World Order, but it's in the same clip.
phil labonte
It was the Sister Soldier moment.
ian crossland
Forgettable.
that there was the new world order, the proclamation.
And for, you know, like you said, 20 years, people thought it was a conspiracy theory.
People like Alex Jones would talk about it and they thought he was like...
tim pool
The corporate press created a proper noun, New World Order.
You can search for it on Wikipedia.
But it was never a proper noun.
It was a descriptive phrase for the Council on Foreign Relations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the system that was called the liberal economic order or the liberal world order.
ian crossland
Yep.
Well, not based, but the Bank for International Settlements kind of is the mother brain out of Switzerland.
All the central banks, the New York Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, and the Bank of Australia run their money through the Swiss Bank, and that's kind of the brain of this system.
tim pool
And here we have it from the Council on ForeignRelations.org.
What is the liberal world order?
ian crossland
Set up in what, 47?
49?
Right after World War II.
unidentified
From natural disasters, to deadly diseases, to wars, the world can be a turbulent, even chaotic place.
But around 75 years ago, a new system was imagined to temper this turbulence and improve the lives of many.
It is called the liberal world order.
aiden mattis
This is so dystopian.
unidentified
It is a liberal system in the sense that it operates on rules that are, in theory, applied to each country equally, and that it encourages each country to be democratic and to open its economy to the rest of the world.
It is a global system in that every country around the world is encouraged to join and follow those rules, even if some do not.
And it is a system.
tim pool
And what happens to those that do not?
aiden mattis
Dude, if you put the Helldivers music behind that, it would fit perfectly.
ian crossland
It is.
anthony cabassa
That's what I'm saying, and look at what it says.
It says right there, after World War II, it all began.
And that's why I just found it really odd, because Joe Biden was talking about something completely different, and for some reason he just decided to throw it in there.
And by the way, you know, I met with a top secret general who told me that right after World War II, that's when the liberal world order began.
And I'm just like, well, what was...
ian crossland
It was multipolar.
they had the League of Nations, which was an attempt at like a UN, but it was multipolar in that Germany was uncontrollable.
So they built this super secretive, aggressive military-industrial complex.
They called it a New World Order.
They set up Israel in 49, I think?
47, 49?
47 to 48. As part of this construction of this order, they built, they instantiated Israel and the mandate where the mandate for Palestine had been, the British mandate had been set up.
And there it is.
Now they want to kind of evolve into some new one and they were never clear about what it's going to be.
tim pool
You know where they really lost it though and the reason it's falling apart is because they wanted everyone to be gay.
And I'm not joking.
When they tried pushing gay communism on third world countries and even the United States, it created a massive backlash.
In the U.S., when corporate institutions adopted this, whether it was through mandate or I think it was more emergent, but it may be a combination of powerful interests saying, okay, let's roll with it, and social media pushing it.
When you take a look at the trends across all major media newspapers all over the world, at the end of the 2000s, 2008-2009, racism, white supremacy, sexism, all skyrocketed in every single newspaper.
Once the woke critical theory emerged, A major backlash erupted across many of these countries, including Europe and the United States.
ian crossland
Do you think that they were like, our forced sterilization projects aren't working.
They're getting upset.
And then the guy's like, have you tried making them gay?
And then they're like wantless population.
tim pool
I think the Malthusians.
For those that are not familiar, Malthusians have been around, I believe since the 70s, believing that there would eventually come to be too many people, so they had to do whatever they could to stop people from reproducing.
And, you know, Bill Gates wants to reduce population growth and things like this.
And so one of the strategies is to discourage sex by any means and encourage non-reproductive sex.
aiden mattis
That is not far off from catherism.
tim pool
What is that?
aiden mattis
It was a medieval heresy of the church that was basically the material world in and of itself is evil.
Creation is evil.
But existence in and of itself does not have to be evil.
So they encouraged people to have sex but not reproduce, to be hedonist, things like that.
And the Catholic Church stamped it out extremely aggressively.
phil labonte
That makes perfect sense.
aiden mattis
Mass heard about 7,000 people, including other Catholics at Bazeer, because they didn't Let me play a little bit more of this liberal world order stuff.
unidentified
A system that promotes order in that most countries that buy into it respect the borders of other countries and seek to resolve their differences peacefully.
It was developed in an effort to avoid repeating the major man-made disasters of the first half of the 20th century, the Great Depression, and two world wars.
Following World War II, the United States, along with several other countries, started drafting an aspirational blueprint for what later became known as the Liberal World Order by establishing certain international institutions.
The United Nations was built to promote peace between countries.
The World Bank would support global economic development.
And the International Monetary Fund and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which later became the World Trade Organization, would support investment and trade between countries.
While these institutions provided the blueprint for the liberal world order, the system was really powered by the United States.
tim pool
We're a big stick in the room, so we're going to do what we want, and you better do it too, or else.
And what happens to individuals who defy the liberal economic order and the World Bank?
It's a crazy thing that just happens in these countries.
Or, for some reason, they end up being evil.
phil labonte
They can hardly believe it.
ian crossland
The problem with the liberal economic order and the reason it didn't work in totality was because of the Soviet Union.
They could never get in there and disrupt it until the late 80s.
Then you see this oligarchical revolution in the Soviet Union, shattering it and making it a, you know, business opportunities.
But the problem is at that point, the They basically, for 100 years before the end of World War II, we were talking about this before the show, there's what was called the Opium Wars.
The British, the East India Company was basically The Chinese revolted and said, we want opium to be illegal.
Well, the British came in with their advanced weaponry and stomped them down.
Said, no, it's not.
So five years later, the Chinese rose up again.
The British and the French went in, stomped them down completely, and said, opium's going to be legal in China.
For 100 years, they call it the century of humiliation.
This was like a call of the Chinese Communist Revolution.
We're not going to put up with this British humiliation anymore, these unfavorable treaties that we were forced to sign.
And so now they're giving it back to us with the fentanyl.
I mean, this war is still going on.
phil labonte
They're giving it to the United States because of what the British did?
ian crossland
What are you talking about, man?
Yes.
Now they want to destroy our, what do they call it, brain drain.
They want to create brain drain in the United States so we can't industrialize properly for the 21st century.
phil labonte
I don't think that it has a whole lot to do with getting revenge on the British by attacking the United States.
I do think that the United States and China are rivals.
It's not one of those things like the way that the...
They would say that we were partners or that we were in friendly competition.
I do think that it's actually not friendly competition, but I don't think that it has much to do with the way that England treated China 100 years ago.
ian crossland
I'll be more clear, I think, that it's not that they have a personal grudge.
It's that they look at what's the arcing power structure on Earth right now.
It's the liberal economic order.
Let's destroy that with the same technique that was used against us.
Let's poison their populace through opium.
aiden mattis
They're doing a very specific...
ultra nationally capitalist thing right now.
Yes.
And that's kinda, I think their main way.
Fentanyl is probably being used to hit us, but the way China is doing things is that they are putting their tentacles into South America and Africa and the Middle East through the Belt and Road Initiative.
And what they plan to do is offer these countries more than they could ever possibly repay in infrastructure and things like that.
And then when those countries default on their debt, well, now China gets something back somehow.
It's their natural resources.
It's that China gets to build military bases.
China might even get to take over their governments.
So China's doing something very insidious to extend its empire into the world that the United States has basically propped up with aid for not hundreds of years, but decades now.
And they're trying to usurp that from us while at the same time poisoning us from behind.
ian crossland
When I'm looking at the two threats on Earth right now, I feel like the Communist Chinese Party and their expansion is deeply concerning.
If they're building up a military secretly, that could be a big problem.
phil labonte
They're not doing it secretly.
aiden mattis
It's not secret.
phil labonte
They're doing a huge military building.
ian crossland
There are things we know about, but maybe there's things we don't know about, too.
We don't know.
We wouldn't know.
Fair enough.
And there's also the Middle Eastern stuff.
And I keep looking for a linchpin.
I think it's the Russians.
Ultimately, if there was a global fight, whoever Russia sides with will win.
phil labonte
Why?
ian crossland
Because they're the landmass in the middle.
Most amount of nukes?
I mean, you might be able to.
tim pool
Actually, you can easily invade Russia.
ian crossland
Maybe now with modern tech.
Back in the day, you'd freeze on the battlefield.
tim pool
That's always been the challenge.
But, yeah, with modern tech and the fact that they have a large landmass and the population is relatively small compared to the landmass.
ian crossland
But they are like a, you mentioned, highly militarized, massive society.
tim pool
More nukes than anybody else.
ian crossland
And red, white, and blue, baby.
It's not the time on the world.
tim pool
146 million people?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
But they have more landmass than Pluto?
aiden mattis
Yeah, that's hilarious.
anthony cabassa
What's interesting is, I used to kind of think that way too, where it's like, man, Russia's like this big threat, and then the Ukraine secret operation happened.
And I feel like that just really put things into perspective in modern day because there's so many people, you know, when I talk about the oncoming war and what's happening with Russia and Ukraine, what's happening, Israel and Iran, there's a lot of people that I think they envision this new war to be like, hey, we're storming beaches again, we're dropping off all these troops, etc.
But I think that this next war, you know, if it evolves into that and it's looking like it is, it's going to look a lot more like what Ukraine just did to Russia.
What frightens me, really, is all these people that just came in the last four years with open borders.
And what kind of drone technology were they sneaking in?
What kind of drone technology are they building with stuff already here in America?
And so we were talking about this earlier, right?
I've been covering the L.A. protests since last Friday.
And there was one day specifically where the police were pushing back the protesters.
And there was a car just stuck there.
And it was on because you can see the exhaust pipe and it was, you know, had the exhaust coming out of it.
And the police were telling it, hey, you got to move.
They were like, roll down your window.
You got to get this thing out of here.
And just for a split second, I was like, this thing's about to blow up right now.
This thing's a bomb.
You know, and like, you know, you got Laura Loomer.
She's been warning about like, hey, stay out of the cities this weekend.
I think something bad is about to happen.
Obviously, we've got global conflict.
You got Representative Ana Paulina Luna, who said that she has text messages from Intel saying that she knows for a fact that there's going to be bad actors going into the cities and causing mayhem.
And so that's all it takes.
There was actually a, sorry, just there was a guy that threw a Molotov cocktail at police in L.A. and I captured it.
That guy ended up being an illegal.
tim pool
So who wants to make a bet?
I'll make a gentleman's bet, and I doubt anyone in the room will take it, that within the next week or two, there will be an attack on Americans from some kind of Iranian actor.
anthony cabassa
Iranian actor?
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
The next week or two?
anthony cabassa
Or that's what it would be told to us, you mean?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
anthony cabassa
That's going to be the headline.
tim pool
I didn't speculate anything beyond there's going to be.
So who wants to take that bet that it would not happen?
phil labonte
In the next week or two?
I'm tempted just because it's such a short time window.
tim pool
Considering that Israel is bombing Iran right now.
phil labonte
Like I said, I'm not.
tim pool
For the warmonger interests, they need only that tinder that has been laid for years to be ignited, which is, we have been told because of Joe Biden that there are Iranian-backed influences, insurgents, and terrorists who have entered the United States.
And what would happen now if a bomb went off in a U.S. city and they said, It was a guy who came to the border and is Iranian.
MAGA would immediately say, this proves it.
We were right the whole time.
Joe Biden did this.
Iran is at fault and attacked us.
Now we have to go to war.
anthony cabassa
I agree with that.
ian crossland
I would only believe it if the Iranian government claimed it was their attack at this point.
But even then, that could be a fake claim.
I don't know what to believe.
tim pool
The media reports will just say they claimed it.
I'm just saying, if there really is an interest in the U.S. getting involved in the war, The tinder has been set.
anthony cabassa
There has to be an attack.
tim pool
I discussed this with Secretary Noem.
Are there terrorists at the southern border?
Absolutely.
Joe Biden left it open.
So now the narrative is already planted and the logic is there.
Should an attack happen, it's...
We knew they came in.
It's been a big problem.
It's why we wanted the border secured.
It's Biden's fault.
And Trump is the hero who's going to rectify it.
anthony cabassa
Well, I don't know if you guys remember that video.
There was an independent journalist that was filming down at the border under President Biden.
And there was this guy.
He might have had an Arabian accent.
I'm not really sure.
But he was telling the videographer, he's like, oh, you don't know who I am?
Don't worry.
Pretty soon, you'll know who I am.
You remember that video?
phil labonte
Yes, I remember that video.
anthony cabassa
So he was warning the Americans, because he knew, like, hey, I'm going to post you.
I've got your face.
I'm going to post you.
And the guy was kind of, like, egging him on.
He's like, oh, do you know who I am?
And the videographer's like, no, I have no idea.
He's like, pretty soon, you and your people are going to know exactly who I am.
So, I mean, the stage, I guess, for lack of a better word, is kind of set already.
Tinder's already there, Tim, right?
And all it's going to take is, we've got no Kings Day tomorrow.
I'm getting from sources that we've got LAPD sources texting me, people that work in these offices saying we're going to be completely overwhelmed tomorrow.
We don't have enough manpower for even just the small cities, let alone the big proper LA proper in downtown LA.
tim pool
Let's set aside any even conspiratorial thinking on this matter.
Iran is pissed.
They're threatening retaliation against the United States for our involvement in the Israel-Iran war, and we are supposed to have millions of people marching in the streets tomorrow across the country?
That is a perfect opportunity for our enemies in all seriousness.
Now, the concern...
anthony cabassa
They are.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, you know, I was talking about this earlier, and I was thinking, I mentioned this in one of the morning segments, how come criminals get caught?
So stupidly.
And I'm like, oh, because if they were smart, they wouldn't be criminals.
They'd make money in a relatively easy way.
Iran is in the position they're in because they're not that smart.
aiden mattis
That's fair.
tim pool
But also people are emotional.
They may be thinking, you know what?
We're going to lose, but who cares?
We're going to make sure the world hears us.
It's like that—let's do a pop culture reference.
When Ivan Vanko says to Tony Stark at the beginning of Iron Man 2, when you make God bleed, the sharks will come.
There are people that know.
I mean, these are people who kill themselves.
They will not see the fruits of their attack.
So I wouldn't put it past Iran to actually say, let's take the opportunity to attack Americans.
However, that being said, my point is, I also believe I wouldn't put it past U.S. intel to be like, this is the perfect opportunity to false flag Iran.
anthony cabassa
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
If you know what they did with the Bay of Pigs, where they're trying to, or no, it was Cuba.
Yeah, Operation Northwoods.
They tried to get Kennedy to sign off on a false flag.
tim pool
Lemnitzer.
ian crossland
What was it?
tim pool
Lemnitzer.
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
That was the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
ian crossland
Oh, he wanted to get him.
tim pool
And he wanted Kennedy to sign off on false flag attacks where they would have fake Cubans attack Americans.
ian crossland
Yeah, Americans dressed up in Cuban outfits attacking Americans.
They were going to kill Americans to make the attack, and then people get pissed off at the Cubans, and then they want to go to war with Cuba.
So, like, see, we're in the age of decentralized combat.
tim pool
Another pop culture reference.
How many of you have seen Andor?
ian crossland
Negative.
aiden mattis
I saw the first season.
tim pool
Spoiler alert.
I'll keep it light.
But second season largely involves...
That's why I recommend you watch it, though there's like woke elements to it.
I do like the...
Check it out.
Because they need a reaction from a certain group of people so that they can justify their actions to the Empire.
To the rest of the planets.
ian crossland
And now, so like...
The telephone, the radio made it so command could get to the guy on the ground.
Now we've got AI is going to be able to command its own drone from the drone.
So like, really, every commander is its own unit, almost.
And anyone can go rogue and dress up in an outfit of an Iranian and do some crap.
Highly explosive crap.
Not anyone, but a lot of people.
tim pool
Man, I'm actually pretty worried about tomorrow.
aiden mattis
I'm so glad we're at the man-made horrors beyond our comprehension stage.
tim pool
You know, to be fair, they were always within our comprehension is the worst part about it.
anthony cabassa
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm reading the chat right now and everyone's like, oh, you guys are just trying to fear monger.
But let's just be honest, like no Trump supporter is going to be out there counter protesting the liberals that are out there protesting.
I mean, I'm just saying from like six days of seeing the protests in downtown LA with Mexican flags, communist flags.
tim pool
Did you see the Dallas videos?
anthony cabassa
I wasn't coming now.
tim pool
In Texas, people are waving American flags and counter-protesting armed, and they have guns, and there's a woman with her hand on her gun telling people to get back.
aiden mattis
There are militias taking control of the streets in San Antonio.
ian crossland
Were you guys advised people to stay home tomorrow, generally?
anthony cabassa
I mean, I'll be out there as an independent journalist.
Like, nothing's really going to stop me.
I mean, I've got bulletproof vest.
I've got a bulletproof helmet.
I mean, I don't know how good that's going to do if an explosion goes off.
phil labonte
Like a gas mask?
anthony cabassa
Oh, I got a gas mask, yeah.
Oh, yeah, I've been doing this.
I covered the Floyd riots from beginning to end.
I was in Minneapolis when they gave the verdict to Derek Chauvin.
phil labonte
Okay.
anthony cabassa
You know, free my boy, Derek Chauvin.
ian crossland
Yeah, his last name, how unlucky, Chauvinism?
And his name's Chauvin?
tim pool
What does Chauvinism mean?
ian crossland
Good question.
aiden mattis
It means patriotism.
tim pool
Oh, it means staunch nationalism.
ian crossland
That's weird.
I got twisted to mean that you're...
tim pool
Misogynistic.
anthony cabassa
Oh, that's chivalry.
ian crossland
Male chauvinist.
tim pool
Chauvinist means staunch nationalist.
ian crossland
Interesting.
unidentified
Yep.
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
How they lie.
ian crossland
I'm not fear-mongering right now.
It doesn't mean you're not going to do it, or it doesn't mean that you're going to stop and change, but you've got to acknowledge threats when you see them, and this is a very potential threat.
phil labonte
You're fear-mongering.
ian crossland
Am I?
tim pool
Such a fear-mongering.
The original definition, let's just be real.
The original definition was excessive or unreasonable patriotism and nationalism, a fervent faith in your nation.
However, from there, it evolved into a prejudicial person.
ian crossland
Okay, so just obsessive, the first part of it, the obsessiveness of it.
tim pool
It came from a legend.
There you go.
ian crossland
Okay, I think I heard that right.
He was betrayed by Napoleon or he was just injured?
tim pool
No, he was injured in the war and he wasn't paid very well.
ian crossland
And he maintained love for the state and the dear leader.
anthony cabassa
Just the last thing I'll say about L.A. too is, per my sources at LAPD, they're calling in every single police officer.
Like, I know police officers that were on vacation.
They're like, no, vacation's canceled.
You're all coming in.
tim pool
You know?
anthony cabassa
So, yeah, I'm not trying to fear the monger.
I'm just trying to give the data.
tim pool
Yeah, out here, it's supposed to rain.
And Trump's having his military parade.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So, okay, so let's just say this.
We have been told for a couple years now, Joe Biden opened the border, Chinese nationals, Afghan nationals, extremist terrorists of various factions from various countries have entered this country, several Iranians that they fear may be terrorism into the country.
Israel is bombing Iran.
Iran has vowed to retaliate against the U.S. in the region.
We've got the no kings across the country.
And Trump's military parade is supposed to take place tomorrow.
ian crossland
What's the no kings?
tim pool
That's just the anti-Trump protest.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
But the other threat assessment is the risk to Trump's military parade.
Imagine if there was an Iranian terror attack on Trump's military parade.
phil labonte
Yeah.
anthony cabassa
Oh, heaven forbid, man.
tim pool
Once again, the narrative is MAGA is going to say to the Democrats, we told you this is your fault Biden did this.
Trump's going to then say we will not stand for an attack on our men and women in uniform.
We must enter the fray.
And then we're on the ground.
ian crossland
I'm like, I'm trying to do the math of who supports what, because the anti-Israel protests don't like the Iranian attack, but...
phil labonte
The anti-Israel don't like it?
ian crossland
The anti-Israel people don't support Israel's attack on Iran.
phil labonte
Yes.
anthony cabassa
Well, I'm not anti-Israel, but I also don't support it.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
That was a real generic anti-Israel.
anthony cabassa
No, no, I know.
tim pool
That means you're pro-Israel.
anthony cabassa
No, but I'm not, though, either.
tim pool
Nope, you are.
anthony cabassa
I'm neither.
ian crossland
I'm not anti-Israel, too, but I don't support the attack.
tim pool
Do you think there's a place called Israel?
anthony cabassa
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Then you're pro-Israel.
anthony cabassa
What?
phil labonte
It's funny.
tim pool
So, I love this.
Because you're not even familiar with the ideological capture of the Israel issue.
By simply believing that Israel exists, you are pro-Israel.
Because your worldview supports the existence of the Israeli state, which was manufactured by the British Empire and stole the land from the Palestinian people.
aiden mattis
Don't ask how the Palestinians got there.
ian crossland
It's like if you support the Republic of China governing Taiwan, then you are pro-China.
tim pool
I didn't know this until people were calling me pros.
I was like, I don't care.
I don't want to be involved.
And they were like, the fact that you think Israel exists proves that your worldview is proven I think Ahmadinejad, was that the Iranian?
aiden mattis
Ahmadinejad, yeah.
ian crossland
He was saying that Israel should be wiped off the map.
They kept quoting him.
I think he was like, it should be removed from the map because it's not a real place.
I don't acknowledge the creation of it.
anthony cabassa
Is there a safe third option?
How about my son just swore into the Air Force last week and I just don't want war?
Is there a concerned father option?
tim pool
To the anti-Israel people.
So there's sane, rational people who understand Israel exists and they're critical of it.
But in the ideological captured space, you are either they're as such a thing as Israel and they're occupiers or you're pro-Israel.
aiden mattis
In the Middle Ages, we had a really cool idea.
I think we should go back to it.
anthony cabassa
Where Christians ruled over?
aiden mattis
Where we had it.
tim pool
Rome.
anthony cabassa
I'm okay with that.
aiden mattis
Rome, the orthodoxy, I don't really care.
We're looking at it right now.
The Muslims can't hang there.
Israel can't hang there.
They can't play nice.
Give it to the Christians.
ian crossland
This is the thing about if you want to protect your kids and your ideas is like, I don't want fighting.
I want to protect my children.
One argument is if we don't go in and attack the Iranians now, they're going to get a nuclear war.
Then they're going to attack and we're going to be on the defensive and it's going to be worse.
The other argument is don't go in and attack Iran because that's going to create the war.
If you don't go in, the war is not going to happen.
anthony cabassa
Here's the part that just doesn't make any sense to me.
Israel's right there, but so is Europe.
Aren't they a much bigger threat to Europe and Israel than the U.S.?
Why are we there?
Why aren't we hearing reports today that Britain helped intercept missiles?
Why is it us?
tim pool
We're there.
anthony cabassa
That's what doesn't make sense to me.
tim pool
They are.
So NATO countries are also involved in the interception, according to numerous reports that I've seen.
anthony cabassa
Oh, I didn't see.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
But the issue is, the United States, in this liberal world order, we're the world police.
This is why we bombed the Houthi rebels, because they were interfering with global trade routes.
So we set up military bases all over the Middle East because we're the world police.
We don't want to back away because we don't want China to come in.
Iran refuses to get in line with a liberal economic order.
And so they're an enemy that needs to be removed and put under control.
And then they don't, so the U.S. says we'll blow you up.
anthony cabassa
Here's my biggest concern, and this is where I have Jewish friends, and a lot of people call me an anti-Semite, whatever, because I don't want to support this new war.
I'm not pro-Israel enough or whatever.
But here's the thing.
I'm a U.S. veteran.
I served over a decade in armed forces, and I served right after 9-11.
I was in high school when 9-11 happened.
During those 10 years, I started listening to podcasts and listening to people on their take on 9-11.
I can safely say now that I have a lot of questions about 9-11.
I have a lot of questions about what our own government was up to, how much they knew, etc.
And so to this day, and I'm not the only one, there's a lot of U.S. veterans that feel that we served under a big lie, that we were lied to, that we were sent overseas.
Supposedly under weapons of mass destruction, but that's not the truth.
And now here I am again, right?
We finally left the Middle East.
I'm happy.
Cool.
I have my son who just enlisted.
He joined the Air Force.
He ships off to boot camp in September.
And now we're doing this again.
But this time it's Israel launching first.
And people are like, like Mark Levin.
He's like, it is America first.
I'm like, look, man.
On my father's side, I'm fifth-generation American.
My grandfather served.
He was a prisoner of war in Korea.
My father served as a U.S. Army Ranger through the Special Forces.
I served, and now my son is serving.
But it's like we're tired of these wars.
And what I'm more tired about is the lives that we go to war under.
And I just feel personally, and sure, people can call me whatever they want, that I'm I just don't think that's a legitimate reason to enter a new conflict in the Middle East that one day my son will call me and be like, Dad, I'm getting deployed to the Middle East.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from The Independent.
Tucker Carlson turns it up.
X-Fox News host Blast's complicit president for backing Israel after attacks in Iran.
Quote, despite being complicit in the act of war, the president hopes last night's events will help his ongoing nuclear negotiations with Iran.
While the American military may not have physically perpetrated the assault, years of funding and sending weapons to Israel, which Donald Trump has just bragged about in Truth Social, undeniably placed the U.S. at the center of last night's event.
So we also have this tweet from Tucker where he's directly calling people out.
He says the real divide isn't between people who support Israel and people who support Iran or the Palestinians.
The real divide is between those who casually encourage violence and those who seek to prevent it.
Between warmongers and peacemakers.
Who are the warmongers?
They would include anyone who is calling Donald Trump today to demand airstrikes and other direct U.S. military involvement in the war with Iran.
On that list, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rupert Murdoch, Ike Perlmutter, and Miriam Adelson.
At some point, they will all have to answer for this, but you should know their names now.
ian crossland
You're here, Tucker.
phil labonte
He was incensed, it seems.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, where is it?
Any of the warmongers or the people that support American airstrikes, I'm telling you, the argument they're going to make against that is if we don't attack now, we're going to get attacked.
It's just age-old rhetoric because you can't prove the argument.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it's still—I don't feel like the United States is who's obligated to do the attack.
Granted, we are involved if we're helping to defend Israel, but still, like— And funding it.
Well, we're funding it through foreign aid, yeah, but— I still don't feel like it's the United States' responsibility to do it.
And I don't know why people are acting like we're obligated or like it's definitely going to be the United States or like this is going to expand into a broader war.
I don't think that's going to happen.
ian crossland
It's because we are, the American people, we're basically the arms dealer for the liberal economic order.
They created this military-industrial complex throughout our system where we are now addicted to it.
If we try to remove it, the militarism from our system, it falls apart.
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So they basically infected us with it.
phil labonte
That doesn't answer why.
People expect the United States to be obligated to engage in combat with Iran.
ian crossland
We are the militant arm of the liberal economic order.
This is a war against the liberal economic order and the Middle Eastern caliphate, basically, is what this fight is.
And they're using the American force because they've created us to be the spearhead.
Who's they created?
The bankers.
You know, the bankers.
aiden mattis
What do you mean by that?
anthony cabassa
What do you mean they?
ian crossland
The Bank for International Settlements that's funding, you know, the Federal Reserve that's funding our government.
aiden mattis
Oh, he means the Swiss.
anthony cabassa
Bankers.
ian crossland
Interesting.
I think that the money is definitely incentivizing.
phil labonte
I still don't see how any of this obligates the United States to take military action against Iran.
ian crossland
Well, if it doesn't, nothing happens.
So it's like, and Trump...
phil labonte
Israel's not going to stop just because the United States isn't going to take military action.
anthony cabassa
He literally said that many times.
phil labonte
Yeah, so it's not if the U.S. doesn't do it, then nothing happens.
Israel's definitely going to continue this, and Iran is likely to continue attacking Israel for this.
ian crossland
I don't know that they could if the U.S. isn't supporting their behavior.
I don't think they could.
Do an attack like this and survive.
phil labonte
Why?
anthony cabassa
Who, Israel?
ian crossland
Yeah.
anthony cabassa
I think the same thing.
I think that if Israel, like I said, they're fighting so many fronts, that if Israel were to fight Iran, I just don't believe Ben Shapiro when he says, oh, Israel can just take care of itself.
Okay, sure, then show us, because you attacked already, and we've already had to help intercept.
phil labonte
In the past.
anthony cabassa
Who?
phil labonte
Israel.
They've taken care of themselves multiple times.
They've fought every single country in the Middle East.
anthony cabassa
How long have we been funding them, though?
Since the very beginning.
phil labonte
Just because we've been giving them military aid doesn't mean that it was the United States.
anthony cabassa
I kind of have a Matt Walsh take.
If you're a country that can't defend yourself, then maybe you shouldn't exist.
phil labonte
Does that include developing your own weapons?
Because most countries don't actually have a significant military-industrial complex infrastructure.
They buy them from other countries.
Yeah, us, France, Russia, you know, there's some countries that do.
But if buying or acquiring military arms from someone else means that you don't have the ability to stand, then there's only like five countries that can.
anthony cabassa
I think the best headline out of all of them is that the largest gay parade event.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's probably a good idea to be able to, you know, get to your bunker in case of incoming missiles.
aiden mattis
I feel like an Israeli gay pride parade right after an Israeli attack on nuclear facilities in Iran is like an Islamic terrorist's wet dream.
Like that is like so many birds with one stone.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I don't know about.
anthony cabassa
I just, here's my, again, like I just come from a family where four, fourth generation of veteran.
I'm just, This is the country that gave my family everything.
On my father's side, we came from Italy.
So my great-grandfather, who actually has the same mustache I do, that's why I let it grow out.
I promised myself that when I get out of the military, I'm going to grow my grandfather, who's Italian, my great-grandfather mustache.
But on my mom's side, she's from Mexico.
And this is a country we love.
We don't wave foreign flags.
We don't allow foreign flags in our home.
We love this country.
I want to see this country prosper.
And it just irks me to see that here we go with Israel and it's starting another war, another war front.
And it's like, help, we're getting attacked.
And it's like, all right, well, just intercept the missiles because Tel Aviv is getting rocked again.
And it's just, again, I'm just a concerned father.
I don't want my son to call me, Dad, my first duty station is not going to be Japan the way we had talked about, and I was hoping to go there.
Yeah, it's going to be, hey, I'm stationed now, because he's going into cybersecurity.
So I'm just like, dude, he's going to go right there, and it's like, here we go again, man.
phil labonte
Yeah, I still have a hard time.
Understanding why there are so many people that are demanding or just refuse to entertain other options aside from the United States actually getting involved in direct combat with Iran.
I don't see that being the case.
The U.S. killed Soleimani and that didn't turn into some big burning of the whole Middle East.
Not that I'm really big on nothing ever happens, but I really do think that this is going to be a situation kind of like, there's going to be some combat between the two, and then they're going to chill out because nothing ever happens.
anthony cabassa
Well, I forgot who said it, but they said there's a really good chance that nothing happens.
Like, Iran just says, okay, you know, we struck back.
I agree.
And this actually happened, what was it, a couple months ago, where Israel attacked Iran, and Iran says, like, okay, we're closing down the airspace and we're sending missiles that take two hours.
No.
tim pool
No, definitely not.
anthony cabassa
That's why Saudi Arabia came out and they said, we strongly condemn Israel for attacking our Muslim brothers and Arab brothers.
But then they're like, they're not going to do anything.
tim pool
Right.
aiden mattis
Well, the Saudis are chilling right now.
They're in good with us.
They got their oil money.
phil labonte
Well, the Saudis also like the idea of a less powerful Iran.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know, if Iran, when they say Iran with a nuclear weapon destabilizes the region, it's not just about Israel, though Israel is the main target and the thing that's going to garner the most attention in the Middle East.
Like, the Saudis don't like the Iranians and they don't want them to have nuclear weapons either.
aiden mattis
I also think they're heretics.
Like, they have a serious religious problem with the Iranians because they're Shias.
phil labonte
Shia versus Sunni.
ian crossland
Because the Iranians are Shia?
aiden mattis
Yeah.
ian crossland
What's the difference between Shia and Sunni?
aiden mattis
Shia is a much smaller sect.
I believe it's about 10% of the Muslim population, and they are the more radical of the two, the more religious.
They're the more religious of the two.
I think they believe in exactly 12 imams.
And we're on the last one right now or something like that.
I can't remember the exact details.
But basically there's the western version, the one that spread west across North Africa and became the Islamic Empire.
That was the Sunni side.
And the Shia side took root in Iran.
tim pool
It has to do with who should have been Muhammad's successor.
ian crossland
His daughter is the Shia or the ones that thought his daughter, Fatima, was that her name?
tim pool
So the Shia was, they wanted his cousin and son-in-law, and the Sunni believe Abu Bakr, that was like his number two guy, was supposed to be the leader.
aiden mattis
Like I said earlier, basically spiritual succession versus lineal succession.
ian crossland
Oh, bloodline versus spiritual right?
Interesting.
Yeah, the Sunni, I don't want to take sides.
Just from an outsider, the Sunni look more legit.
phil labonte
I don't want to take sides, but I'm right.
ian crossland
Obviously 90%.
anthony cabassa
I love the Sunnis.
ian crossland
Where they worship the sun?
Is that where the word sun comes from?
S-U-N?
aiden mattis
It's Semitic.
It has nothing to do with the sun.
anthony cabassa
Really?
ian crossland
Okay.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And the majority of Muslims are Sunni.
She is a small sect.
And Iran likes to poke people in the eyes because they don't want to get along with anyone.
tim pool
I still, one of the best moments on the show ever was when Michael Knowles called Seamus a Wahhabi Shiite Catholic.
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And Seamus went, thank you, Michael, thank you!
Oh yeah, Sunni comes from Sunnah, which means way or tradition.
ian crossland
So this is like, it's the traditional, and then Shia, what's Shia mean?
aiden mattis
There are very few Shia-majority countries.
It's Iran, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Lebanon, Yemen, and then that's basically it.
phil labonte
Yemen, that makes sense there, so that the Iranians are supporting the Yemenis.
aiden mattis
Lebanon used to be Christian.
phil labonte
Yeah, well.
aiden mattis
And then we got outbred.
phil labonte
It's not anymore.
tim pool
A lot of places used to be Christian.
aiden mattis
Funny how that happens.
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When are the Abrahamic religions gonna break bread?
aiden mattis
We aren't.
ian crossland
Ever?
Aren't they supposed to?
aiden mattis
We don't want to.
ian crossland
Wouldn't Abraham want them to?
tim pool
No.
aiden mattis
We had this debate this morning and it was actually something that got pretty fiery where Jay and I were on one side and Tim and Tim were on the other side.
tim pool
No, but Jay got mad at you.
aiden mattis
Yeah, I know.
I don't know how that happened.
Don't be a Protestant, guys.
It's rough out here.
tim pool
This morning we had a debate on Orthodox and Catholicism and Protestantism.
aiden mattis
I was just kind of there.
The argument that we were having, Jay and I were sitting there like, well, the Catholics in Vatican II are arguing that Muslims believe in the same God that we do, and Tim didn't agree with that.
But basically what we all agreed upon is that no, Muslims do not worship the same God that we do.
We worship a Trinitarian God.
tim pool
There were two Tims.
I thought you said Tim didn't agree with that.
aiden mattis
No, Tim didn't agree with our take.
Yeah, I might have misspoken.
tim pool
Vatican II basically was saying, my interpretation was that What they had written in the book is that Hindus are looking for God, and they found some of the secrets, and Muslims are worshipping God, but they're all doing it wrong, and they need to be doing it this way.
And so I said, oh yeah, I get that.
aiden mattis
It was more of a dogmatic contradiction argument than anything, but the point was that we all agreed.
Muslims do not worship the Christian God, at least not properly.
They might be trying to, but they're not doing it.
And in the same way, Christians worship a Trinitarian God.
the Jews do not and the Muslims do not.
So neither of us...
Jews and Christians do not agree with each other on worshiping the same God.
But we also look at it kind of as a, you know, live and let live situation.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news.
War is gay.
And that's not...
That's a fact.
We have this from the Pentagon Pizza Report.
Freddy's Beach Bar, the closest gay bar to the Pentagon, has abnormally low traffic for a Thursday night, potentially indicating a busy night at the Pentagon.
And as we can see here on Google, you can see for the, I believe that's the 10, from 9 to 10, 10 to 11, nobody's there.
phil labonte
What the heck?
tim pool
Nobody's there.
anthony cabassa
Where's Lindsey Graham?
tim pool
Later, it's a ghost town.
So the gay bar was empty.
Yeah, where's Lindsey Graham?
anthony cabassa
I mean, I'm not saying...
Who did she work with?
Bannon, right?
She just came out with this big article saying that just basically everybody is gay in D.C. Just some of them are open and some of them are not.
And then I replied to her, and what was really surprising to me was the article, for whatever reason, had Terrence Williams on it.
And so— He, Terrence Williams?
tim pool
Where did she post this?
On X?
anthony cabassa
She posted it on X, yeah.
And so I replied and I said, wait, why did the New York Post, I don't know who posted it, why did they use a picture of Terrence Williams?
Is he gay?
And she just replied, LMFAO.
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
Yeah.
I couldn't believe it.
I was like, wait, why did they use that?
So if they're out, they're Democrat.
If they're closeted, they're Republican.
And she confirmed that.
tim pool
Yeah.
Scott Presser says true.
ian crossland
Then it must be.
It must be true.
phil labonte
My goodness.
ian crossland
Maybe they're just focused on their work.
phil labonte
No, that's probably not true.
I mean, we're not talking about, you know...
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
The grossest, darkest.
tim pool
Addison Cawthorn warned us.
phil labonte
Yeah.
anthony cabassa
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And then that video came out, which shall not be described.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
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A video?
phil labonte
Dudes.
tim pool
The video of the two guys in the Senate chambers?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
Oh, my God.
tim pool
Look what you make me do.
Ian did that on purpose.
ian crossland
Made you think about it.
phil labonte
It was disgusting.
ian crossland
Whatever you do, don't watch that video.
No, I'm kidding.
tim pool
Dude should be in jail.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
I'm surprised he's not.
tim pool
Yep.
phil labonte
Why are you surprised he's not?
anthony cabassa
Did they have to kill everyone else?
ian crossland
The guy that was having sex on the Senate floor?
tim pool
I bet a lot of the Epstein files would out a lot of gay dudes for banging little boys, and I'm sure that's – Well, according to Elon, there's a reason why they're not out yet.
Yeah, I don't know.
He said he regretted that.
Yeah, what happened?
Do you regret that you...
Or do you regret making the story up?
Because that difference is pretty important.
aiden mattis
I don't like how that just got swept under the rug and we're pretending it didn't happen.
anthony cabassa
Well, you know what's funny is Blue Anon, so I actually have people, even in Spanish media, some Spanish leftists that I follow, there's this guy, his name is Carlos Eduardo Espina.
He's like the number one TikToker in Spanish and he does media and politics in America.
He's part of that Blue Anon.
He went out and said, isn't it weird that after Elon Musk accused Donald Trump of being on the files, that suddenly we have riots across the city?
And I was like, wait a minute.
You guys actually believe that Donald Trump is inciting violence in cities because he wants to hide the fact that Elon said this about him?
That's really what they believe.
They believe like, oh, suddenly...
And then three days later, we had nationwide riots.
They were covering it up, and I'm like, alright, well, maybe it's not so far-fetched.
Who knows?
aiden mattis
I keep thinking about the Assassin's Creed line, nothing is true, everything is permitted.
Like, more and more I'm starting to understand what they meant by that, because it confused the hell out of me as a kid.
But, like, the idea that just everything that's happening around right now is, in a way, propaganda that's been planned.
tim pool
Yeah.
aiden mattis
And even if it's not, we all assume it is.
tim pool
I mean, there's the reality, you know, there's a saying, you know, that hackers have.
If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
Because the essence of what cheating is, is finding the shortest path, finding the path of least resistance.
And so there are people who are like, no, no, we do things right.
And then they wonder why it is that they're wealthy and famous people doing all the wrong things.
ian crossland
That's the problem.
tim pool
Because sometimes the right thing is the path to success.
I don't believe in doing the wrong thing.
ian crossland
But I can see the people who do the wrong thing succeeding rapidly, and it's like – Well, you question your own morality because the righteous and ethical thing is not the fastest and easiest way.
Sometimes you end up getting destroyed if you try and be ethical.
So you have to cheat and become the villain of your own story to survive and win.
That's horrible, but that's also the reality.
That's where the Hindus got it right.
I think when they look at their gods, they have the creator and the destroyer, two aspects of one god, and then there's the protector.
The three aspects of one god.
Like, it's within all of us.
tim pool
And I think many religions have the bad and the good.
The destroyer and the creator.
It's not just Hindus.
ian crossland
Yeah, but I like that they have, what was it, Vishnu and Shiva, I think, are the creator and the destroyer.
I'm not sure.
tim pool
I don't want to get them wrong.
phil labonte
You like those things?
ian crossland
I like that it's within one.
There are different aspects within one.
tim pool
Sure, and Egypt said Set and Ra.
ian crossland
Yeah.
aiden mattis
Or Astrians have Hura Mazda and...
It's like a Hora Mainu.
tim pool
Bill.
aiden mattis
That would be good.
I like that.
ian crossland
Like an aspect of good and evil?
aiden mattis
Yeah, Azur Mazda and Bill.
ian crossland
Zoroastrianism had good and evil.
aiden mattis
It's a dualist religion.
They have a good god and a bad god.
If you look at Tolkien's work, while it's based upon Catholicism, it has the same dynamic where the creator god, the good god, can create, but the bad god can only twist and warp.
ian crossland
I just had a conversation, I think it was with Sean, that the Persians adopted Zoroastrianism, and then a tribe of Jews came, they were like, these Jewish people, they're polytheistic, the original Jews were polytheistic, is what I've been told, I don't know if this is true, and that the Persians adopted some of the Jews and taught them about Zoroastrianism, about the one God and the evil, and then those Jews adopted it into their faith, and it became the predominant sect of Judaism.
aiden mattis
That's a fringe belief about the Babylonian exile.
tim pool
Yeah, Ian.
That's a fringe belief about the Babylonian exile.
ian crossland
Good to know, Ian.
tim pool
This guy.
ian crossland
I do enjoy the fringes.
aiden mattis
You do.
You told me Santa Claus came from mushrooms once.
ian crossland
I just want to surround the perimeter before I start looking inward.
aiden mattis
That's fair.
ian crossland
Make sure what's right and what's wrong.
aiden mattis
Yeah, there's a couple of news with that.
tim pool
Santa Claus came from mushrooms.
aiden mattis
You can ask him about that one.
But yeah.
ian crossland
It's regarding the Siberian shaman that would eat the Amanita muscari underneath the...
And then they'd hang them over the fireplace in their socks to dry out the mushrooms overnight.
The red and the white mushrooms like Santa Claus outfit.
The next morning they'd drink a mushroom tea and trip.
Think about flying reindeer, I guess.
phil labonte
That's great.
anthony cabassa
I am learning so much right now.
ian crossland
my response that's just If you look up Siberian Shaman Santa, you'll see pictures of it.
It's wild.
aiden mattis
No, just to kind of elaborate on that so I don't sound so dismissive.
Basically, there's two views.
tim pool
Ian didn't make this up, by the way.
Oh, I know, I know.
aiden mattis
One is that the Jews were already monotheistic.
They recognized the existence of multiple spiritual beings, but they worshipped Yahweh.
And then they came to Babylon and basically...
Cool.
And then Cyrus was like, you guys want to go back and build your temple?
Your God told me to.
And then the other one is that the Jews were polytheistic, came, the Zoroastrians taught the monotheism, and then they went back.
But I do not like the latter option as a scholar.
ian crossland
So Cyrus the Great was basically like, hey, Jews, let's just focus on Yahweh.
aiden mattis
I forget if it was Cyrus or Darius.
ian crossland
It was Cyrus.
I believe it was Cyrus.
aiden mattis
And then he told the Jews, like, No, the traditional argument for Jews and Christians is that the Jews were not polytheistic at that time.
That they had dipped their toes into polytheism in the northern kingdom of Israel, but the southern kingdom of Judah was strictly monotheistic.
So there's a little bit of give and take to it.
tim pool
What about Odin?
aiden mattis
Dude's baller, even if he's pagan.
tim pool
But where'd he go?
They just stopped.
They were just like, nah.
aiden mattis
They went...
Maybe our gods aren't that powerful and they converted.
ian crossland
And then what, they got paid off by the Vatican or something?
Did they bribe countries to become Christian?
aiden mattis
No, the Norse got into Christian territories and basically the Christians went, alright, if you stop worshipping your gods and start worshipping our god, we'll let you trade, we'll let you marry us, we'll let you live in our territories.
And a lot of them went, okay.
ian crossland
So it sounds a lot like what they're trying to do in Iran.
aiden mattis
Norse paganism into Christianity was a pretty peaceful transition.
phil labonte
How did we get here?
What are they trying to do in Iran?
ian crossland
They're trying to get you, hey, if you worship our God and get access to our liberal economic order, trade, we just want to open up your economy.
We just want access to all your data.
anthony cabassa
I mean, Trump has kind of been saying that, right?
Like, dude, let's strike a deal so that you guys can become a prosperous country.
I don't know if it's under the guise of, like, worship our God, but...
ian crossland
Yeah, I was being hyperbolic.
They didn't actually say that, but it sounds like that kind of, like, hey, join our...
tim pool
I think this is another reason why the liberal economic order wants wokeness, because if you go to a deeply devout religious Muslim person and say, we want a normalized trade with you, they say, no, my faith, my life, my rules say this person is bad.
But imagine if you went to them and said, we're going to give you anything you've ever wanted, be a hedonist, if they didn't have strong moral convictions.
And they just wanted to wake up at 6 in the morning, do drugs, and masturbate.
Like, what's-her-face?
Much easier to get them under control.
Say, what do you need faith and religion for?
Who cares?
phil labonte
Take care of yourself.
tim pool
Go to the gay club.
You know?
Here's some drugs.
ian crossland
If you get people to violate their own beliefs, then you got them.
Like, decadence is a huge sin in the Islamic faith.
If your family members are decadent, it shines on you as evil and corrupt.
So if they can get people to become decadent, that would be definitely subverted.
tim pool
I think this is why the West is trying to make Palestine gay.
phil labonte
Make Palestine gay.
tim pool
Yeah, I think, yeah.
Like, there's this big effort among the woke to associate Islam with being gay.
I'm not kidding.
ian crossland
At least in the West, yeah.
tim pool
In the West, right.
Yeah.
And we make the joke that, like, if you go over there, they wouldn't accept that.
They are trying to force a hedonistic degenerate reformation on Islam.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't have a whole lot of concern as to that working.
tim pool
I think that's— In the West, maybe.
Well, to be fair, remember, what was it?
Some TV show depicted a Muslim—a female, like, Muslim lesbian.
And it was like a lesbian relationship, and then the woman was like, I'm a Muslim, and then the Muslim community went nuts, and they were like, how dare you?
And the media was trying to be like, be gay, do it.
Because imagine how easy it is to control everybody if you're like, you have no convictions, you have no morals, simply pleasure yourself.
And they'd all fall in line.
phil labonte
I think Islam has some built-in defenses to that.
tim pool
Yeah, well, Christianity should too, but look what's going on in the United States.
phil labonte
Christianity doesn't have the same kind of funding.
With Islam, if you talk about leaving the religion, you can get killed for that.
There's nothing like that in Christianity.
So the reason that Islam is so resistant to change is because of their embrace of violence.
It's acceptable to use violence when people blaspheme.
It's acceptable to use violence if people leave the religion.
It's acceptable to use violence when your daughter embarrasses you or your sister embarrasses you.
There's so many killings because they ruin their virtue.
So that right there is what prevents any kind of reformation in Islam, which is something we've talked about before.
Like, the reason you can't do it is because the religion itself accepts violence to prevent those things.
That's not the case with Christianity.
ian crossland
Catholicism, it used to be like that, too.
Catholicism, like you said about the Cathars earlier, they would stomp out violently any kind of attempted reformation.
phil labonte
Just because they exist.
ian crossland
Eventually, the Protestantism succeeded.
unidentified
We did.
ian crossland
So it could be as such with Islam.
aiden mattis
We did do it back to them, to be fair.
phil labonte
But just because there have been violent Christians doesn't mean the doctrine in Christianity is one that accepts violence.
aiden mattis
Jesus Christ never said the only time we're permitted to use violence is in self-defense.
anthony cabassa
Which is why you like Spain, right?
tim pool
Remember when he said, sell your cloak and buy a sword?
aiden mattis
Yes.
ian crossland
The Christian Reformation happened because of the printing press, basically, as far as I can tell.
aiden mattis
That was a large part of what kicked it into high gear.
ian crossland
New technology allows new thought.
phil labonte
the reason that Christianity could have a reformation is because you could entertain ideas in Christianity that you could not entertain in Islam, right?
Like the whole, even, like one of the things that Christianity...
If you find the truth, you'll find me.
So people were encouraged to look for things that are true, not to say, this can't be true because it doesn't line up with the thing that I expected God to say.
The Christian doctrine says, if this is true and it doesn't seem to line up with what Christ said, You misunderstand Christ.
You misunderstand because you're the fallible human being.
So you don't have that option in Islam.
tim pool
Not Ian.
He's not fallible.
anthony cabassa
And going back to what you were saying with the violence, I think it's easy to leave something when you don't feel like the punishment is here now.
You can live out the rest of your life and you're never going to feel that punishment of like, oh, I left God behind.
I don't go to church anymore.
Who cares?
But if that punishment is here, like you were talking about, the violence is already here.
Like, oh, you're thinking about leaving Islam?
Okay, we'll see how it goes for you, buddy.
Of course, it's going to be a lot harder to leave, right?
But as far as the stuff that they were trying to push on the Palatine, That's actually, in LA, it's kind of like a perfect example where for a couple years we had the Muslim community and the Christians coming together because we were pushing back hard on the woke stuff that was happening.
And that's really how the whole… So there's a lot of lawsuits where it names Muslims or Christians, and they're coming together.
And LA County is slowly learning, like, wait a minute, these religious bigots, they're starting to unite, and it's not good.
It's not good that they're working together.
But I actually have a really good Muslim following of local leaders in Los Angeles.
It kind of took me by surprise.
Because I was like, okay, well, maybe they're just online or whatever.
I remember one time I went out to the Inland Empire in California, and me and my cousin went out.
I think it was maybe like the 4th of July weekend or something.
And we went out.
My aunt married a Greek, and so all my cousins are Greek and Italian and stuff.
And so we went out to this little Middle Eastern meat market.
And so like, you know, you had people from the Middle East there.
And as we were checking out, a woman, you know, wearing a hijab and like full cloaked and stuff.
And she was a Muslim.
She tapped me on the shoulder and she's like, are you in?
Anthony Kielbasa.
And my cousin was like, There's no way this Muslim woman, in the middle of nowhere, in this market that you've never been to, knows who you are.
And she's like, hey, I really appreciate the work you're doing, and thanks for standing with Muslims on the school stuff, because you've been reporting it and all that stuff.
And so, yeah, it's interesting in the things that you can find similarities.
It's like, hey, let's work together to kind of combat this wokeness.
But yeah, they're not for that at all.
I've actually DM'd a couple of Muslim audience members.
And I'm like, hey, how do you feel about, like, these people out there with, like, Palestinian flags?
And now the Palestinian flag is, like, with LGBT colors, and they're like, yeah, no, no, like, no.
That's not us.
These are like very woke liberals that are attending colleges and they have no idea what they're talking about.
And actually, And eventually they got kicked out by CHP officers.
But when I went into the encampment and I tried interviewing people, I kept asking, are you Palestinian?
Are you Palestinian?
Do you have family?
I probably asked over a hundred people.
There was not anyone there that was from Palestine.
Or even knew anyone from Palestine or had family that were in Palestine.
I had one guy tell me I'm from Palestine.
So I interviewed him.
After the interview, he was like, hey, man, I'm high as crap, dude.
I'm not Palestinian.
I'm Mexican.
I'm just like, dude, what the heck?
So I didn't even upload the video because I'm like, I couldn't find.
But they're all waving Palestinian flags and they're talking about how Palestine this and Palestine that.
I couldn't find a single one.
It was all like these little anarchists, Antifa.
You know, you had the Party of Socialism Liberation out there, PSL, DSA, Democratic Socialists of America.
And like all the things are like, are you a Marxist?
aiden mattis
Well, it's all the myth of intersectionality, this idea that all oppressed people of all kinds somehow have something in common to fight for, and it breaks down the second you're doing anything except class.
anthony cabassa
Yeah, with Los Angeles, it's very unique because, you know, obviously there's like a big melting pot out there.
So you have like a big Jewish community in Los Angeles.
And so when I was covering this usually at protests, it was being reported like Palestinians versus Jewish students and all that stuff.
But I'm just like, dude, there's not a single Palestinian out here.
They're waving the flags and they have the flags full of LGBT stuff, but I didn't meet a single one.
You know, it was just bizarre.
phil labonte
So it's more just leftist than...
anthony cabassa
So you have some people saying like, oh, Mexican nationals are out there.
But then I'm recording and I'm just like, dude – Yeah, there are arresting some illegals, but it's the same factions all over again.
It's the same, you see, you know, union people out there, you see PSL, DSA, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, Los Angeles chapter, they're out there.
You've got people, you know, black people on the megaphone, and they're like, you know, no justice, no peace, no racist police, you know, whatever.
And I'm just like, these aren't Mexican nationals.
You know?
And what's so ironic about everything, if you guys have been to LA, you know that we have a lot of street vendors, right?
You know what I'm talking about.
They sell hot dogs.
Are at these protests trying to sell stuff.
They're selling flags.
That's why the flags are all creased in LA.
Because you have these Mexican street vendors selling it to them.
And they're like, hey, these are brand new.
You want to go wave around a flag?
Here you go.
And I remember that a couple months ago I was down there and I was talking to this hot dog vendor.
And I'm like, hey man, are you not afraid that DHS is right there?
And they're like, nah, I don't care.
aiden mattis
Those guys are Americans.
They get it.
They're like, I see a great opportunity.
anthony cabassa
Right, yeah.
And so I was just like, man, it was just so bizarre to me.
Because it's like, oh, Mexican nationals.
And I'm like, dude, it's Antifa.
And most of them are like white liberals, you know?
aiden mattis
The stereotype of the hardworking Mexican is very accurate.
They are out there working.
anthony cabassa
That is true.
ian crossland
You saw Trump said he's not going to deport.
Illegal immigrants that are working in the restaurant industry or in the farm.
anthony cabassa
Yeah, because that's been happening in California.
We've been seeing raids at workplaces.
ian crossland
I've been thinking that maybe this is a whole other conversation.
I know we're going to Super Chat soon, but like, yeah, yeah, trying to extract every illegal aspect of our society all at once will cause a house of cards collapse.
So I'm kind of down with like...
Maybe the Mexicans are actually our closest ally, like our left arm, whereas the Canadians are our right arm.
And they are the United Mexican States.
I mean, it's a bunch of states unified.
They had a revolution.
We had a revolution.
They're severely independent.
anthony cabassa
I do have a quick theory on that.
Sorry, I didn't mean to go for it.
I have a quick theory.
So if you guys look up the Bracetto program during World War II, so during World War II, there were so many Americans being deployed overseas that the United States government came up with the Bracetto program.
And what it did is it allowed for millions of Mexican nationals and Canadian nationals to come and work the fields and work the industries that used to belong to Americans.
And so I thought it was really weird that – We need to make sure that they work in the farms, etc.
And I'm just thinking to myself, what are the odds that he does a 180?
And now he's saying that we need to keep these illegals working in these industries, right?
Like the farms and the crops and crop picking, etc.
And then just a day or two later, we're at war with Iran now.
So, I don't know.
I just kind of like just immediately thought of back in World War II where there were so many Americans fighting off this war that there were like any Mexican that just walked over.
He's like, here's your work permit.
Here's your work permit.
Here's your work.
Get out on the field.
You know, we need to mass produce.
They were put on assembly lines, you know, to create the weapons and send overseas.
And so I don't know, there was just like, You can just say some.
ian crossland
Would they work for their citizenship back?
anthony cabassa
Yeah.
So it was like, I think the program lasted like something like 20 years.
And yeah, they were allowed to become U.S. citizens.
Some of them were deported.
I think, you know, the mainstream media kind of talks about Operation Wetback, where they were deporting.
And a lot of those people that they deported were people that came under the work visas.
And they said like, hey, we helped mass produce or whatever.
Why are you deporting us?
But they're like, sorry, got to go back.
War's over.
But no, I just thought it was very interesting.
So who knows?
I hope it doesn't escalate to the point where we're sending tens of thousands of troops overseas, but I guess we'll see.
phil labonte
It's still my sense that we're not going to end up with a lot of boots on the ground over there.
aiden mattis
I hope not.
phil labonte
You know, I know that it's exceedingly unpopular in the United States.
Like, you're not going to get a...
ian crossland
One of the things that bothers me about the rhetoric is Trump's like, look, they can't have a nuclear weapon.
And I think Netanyahu is also like, Iranians cannot have a nuclear weapon.
Well, first of all, they can.
Just so we're clear, they can.
And if they do, there will be consequences.
So talk about that.
Acknowledge that they can and tell us what might happen if they do.
Rather than try and be like, Daddy said we can't have ice cream.
Look, people are done being told what they can and can't do.
So step up, be a leader, explain the threat, and tell us how you're going to fix it.
phil labonte
Well, the point with the can't is they're saying that they will use force to prevent it.
ian crossland
I agree.
And if they were clear about that, they're like, we will do...
Well, no, it can.
phil labonte
I think that's what they're saying.
When they're saying can't, I think they're making it clear that they will use force.
I think that's what they're trying to communicate.
ian crossland
Did you hear Trump say it?
It was just with this exasperation, like, we just can't, okay?
Dude, we're talking about thermonuclear war.
Of course they can.
phil labonte
I mean, okay.
ian crossland
Anyway, I digress.
tim pool
We're going to go to chats, smash the like button, share the show with literally everyone you know.
Maybe you have a friend you haven't seen since college.
Maybe he's like Ian.
Call him up and say, you should watch this Ian guy.
He'd get along with him.
phil labonte
He's fun.
tim pool
Yeah.
No Uncensored show tonight.
It's Friday, but we are going to read your chats, so once again, smash that like button.
Let's read what you guys have to say.
Shane H. Wilder, always number one, says, Happy Father's Day on Sunday to Tim and soon to be Papa Phil.
phil labonte
Cheers.
tim pool
Enjoy it, homies.
Also, I'm covering the Texas protests tomorrow, so prayers that Ish doesn't go sideways, please.
Have a great weekend.
It's going to be raining out here.
aiden mattis
Good luck, brother.
tim pool
So, we are going to have a fun Father's Day.
You know, baby is fat and happy, so that's always good.
She's been talking.
ian crossland
Oh, nice.
tim pool
What's she saying?
Nothing coherent, but we understand what she's saying.
Yeah, dude.
She's babbling.
ian crossland
Oh, that's awesome.
The tone.
You can discern tone.
tim pool
If somebody were to fake speak, you know, you can tell the emotions.
Yeah, the intent is there.
It's understood.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, what do we got?
Downgraded Simpleton says, War is death of people, culture, and nation.
As the warmongers show themselves, remember who they are.
They will be sending your sons and daughters to war.
Peace and love.
War only feeds the devil.
aiden mattis
I like how the Romans did it.
They had senators lead the armies.
Senators and emperors.
I would feel a lot more comfortable if they had to be in harm's way.
anthony cabassa
Send Lindsey Graham.
aiden mattis
Him first.
anthony cabassa
And send Mark Levin and all these people that are saying, this is actually a good thing.
Alright, you and your family, you go first.
tim pool
I would love to see, just imagine like a bunch of troops standing on the front line and Lindsey Graham's in front of all of them giving a rousing speech.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
George Washington used to ride along the front line and encourage the troops as he was getting shot at.
tim pool
Yep.
aiden mattis
Like, what happened to that?
ian crossland
They'll be putting everyone on the neural net, and then Lindsey Graham will be speaking in their brain.
You got this, you guys.
You got this.
tim pool
Haven't you ever seen The Patriot with Mel Gibson?
aiden mattis
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
When he's talking to Cornwallis, and he's like, yeah.
And he's talking to Cornwallis, and he's like, this business of killing officers must stop.
And then he's like, so long as your men are killing women and children, I will order my men to kill officers on sight.
And he goes, imagine the battlefield with no officers.
ian crossland
Chaos.
tim pool
That's why they took him off the battlefield.
They were like, let the rabble go at it.
The men making decisions have to be preserved.
Yep.
Indeed.
aiden mattis
They did not like it when we did that.
That's a real thing.
ian crossland
Oh, went after officers?
aiden mattis
Yeah.
Because we had rifles.
So we could actually shoot at them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Was I going to say something?
ian crossland
The inhumanity of conflict.
Oh my god.
Hit the next super chat.
tim pool
Pinochet says, what are the chances this is another Bay of Pigs and Trump will look like he doesn't have control just like JFK had to lie and say he knew and take responsibility?
Look up JFK.
Defeat is an orphan.
Yep.
Everybody wants to claim responsibility in the victories, but defeat is an orphan.
phil labonte
It's never my fault.
unidentified
Yep.
anthony cabassa
I still think that Israel always has to bypass with us.
unidentified
They have to run intel through us.
anthony cabassa
Because I just truly feel like Israel can't defend itself.
And so, like, even if it's going to attack, it's letting us know because I feel like, like, hey, please put your people in position in case they retaliate so big that we need your help.
And then that's exactly what happened.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think American missiles were defending.
anthony cabassa
Right, yeah.
Exactly.
So they have to.
I just don't think Israel is as tough as people make it out to, like Ben Shapiro.
There's, like, that side-by-side, right?
Like, a couple years ago, he's like, look, let me tell you, let me tell you.
Israel doesn't need America.
Israel doesn't need America.
And then, like, it goes to today, he's like, here's why America needs to defend Israel.
aiden mattis
Yeah, Israel doesn't need us.
tim pool
I forgot to say, okay, gang.
anthony cabassa
I stopped listening to him.
You know that meme where it's like 2017, me listening to Ben Shapiro, like more libertarian?
I actually got into politics because of Ben Shapiro.
I used to listen to him every single day and I'm like, man, your debate is great.
And now it's like, I can't tell you the last time I listened to Ben Shapiro.
tim pool
Is he doing those college debates still?
aiden mattis
I don't think so.
anthony cabassa
Is he?
I don't know.
tim pool
So Charlie's, here's the secret.
The secret is always doing college tours.
Charlie is blowing up massively.
Charlie Kirk?
Probably the biggest conservative personality, and he's doing college tours.
It makes you relevant to be on the ground talking to people.
And Ben got really big when he was doing that, and all the YouTube videos popped up saying Ben Shapiro destroys liberals with logic and facts.
And that was it.
ian crossland
He did like a Jubilee thing, I think, a year ago or something.
tim pool
And it was big.
ian crossland
Two years ago.
tim pool
It was very big.
I don't know how much he's doing that anymore.
The Jordan Peterson one was bad.
Did you see Jordan Peterson debates 20 Kermit the Frogs?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Somebody made that video and I watched it and it was fun.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
And Kermit was like, are you trying to sound like me?
Or do you just sound like me?
And then he's like, what do you mean believe?
ian crossland
Oh my god.
anthony cabassa
I did a bit on that.
Do you believe in God?
Well, when you ask that question, you gotta define do.
You.
And I'm just like, holy, dude, just answer the question.
tim pool
What do you mean by do?
aiden mattis
We did the same thing on our show on Monday.
I asked my buddy who does a really good impression.
I was like, so what do you think about triangles?
And he was like, well, first you've got to describe what a triangle is.
What are the metaphysics?
tim pool
All right, how many people, can you define do?
phil labonte
Do?
aiden mattis
Can you?
ian crossland
I can.
aiden mattis
I don't think you can.
ian crossland
Do.
phil labonte
As in, what do you want to do?
tim pool
Do you believe?
phil labonte
Oh.
Hmm.
tim pool
Because you said you have to define do.
anthony cabassa
Yeah, that's what he said.
tim pool
So how do you define do in that context?
anthony cabassa
You kick them off your show.
Stupid.
tim pool
It's actually interesting because there is just one definition.
aiden mattis
To do something.
anthony cabassa
Like the act?
tim pool
The act of performing an action.
anthony cabassa
Do.
aiden mattis
Oh.
tim pool
So when he says do you believe, it's saying are you taking action to yourself to believe this thing?
Like is there action among you to believe?
That's what it means.
anthony cabassa
I saw his debate with those 20 liberals or the atheists were so terrible because they're like, well, you're a Christian, right?
And he's like, well, that's what you're saying.
aiden mattis
Well, can you define Christian?
anthony cabassa
Like, well, let's break that down.
Hold on here a second.
Now, we can talk about this for an hour.
Let's break that sentence down.
aiden mattis
I mean, it would have helped if they just, you know, like picked a Christian.
anthony cabassa
Right.
phil labonte
That's a great point.
aiden mattis
Wes Huff, Mike Jones.
phil labonte
Yeah.
You should actually believe the philosophy that you're defending in order to defend it properly.
anthony cabassa
To me, it just kind of sounded like when they denied Christ three times, like you would deny me three times.
He was asked, like, you're a Christian, right?
I think, I don't know, I've seen reports that he himself has claimed himself as a Christian.
You know?
And so it's like, why not just say it?
Just say, yes, I am a Christian, but I'm still learning.
phil labonte
I don't think he is a Christian.
anthony cabassa
There's an article where he quotes him and he says, I am a Christian.
phil labonte
I never claimed that.
I think that's his semantics, because there's one thing to believe the things, right?
And then he gets into the semantics of what does the word believe mean?
Yeah, of course.
But he says that to act in a way is to believe, right?
tim pool
What do you mean by act?
phil labonte
Well, to behave in the world.
tim pool
It's just so pedantic.
It's like, define the smallest word of your sentence, and it's like, ugh.
anthony cabassa
I know.
aiden mattis
Honestly, I would have loved to see Jay Dyer on that.
After just getting roasted myself, I would love to see him do that exact same thing.
tim pool
You know what I think?
I think for...
And so if you're a teenager and you're watching Ben Shapiro say, you know, actually you're wrong about this, the Fifth Ecumenical Council, and then like, you know, whatever.
You're going like, oh wow, this guy's smart.
Then you get older and you say, I want someone to do something about it.
And Ben's still not changed from who he is.
anthony cabassa
Right, yeah.
He's still the same person.
tim pool
Right, so Ben's still going to make the similar arguments and you're like, and I don't mean to single out Ben, but literally anybody, me or otherwise.
A young person grew up on that saying, okay, when is anyone going to do anything about it?
And you're only just getting a bunch of people who keep making the same argument.
The younger generation is going to be more extreme.
anthony cabassa
Yeah, Charlie...
tim pool
Banging hammers.
anthony cabassa
Charlie Kirk, I think, is a good example because I didn't really care for him at the very beginning, but he's kind of started...
Which I'm pretty, like, adamant about that.
Like, America first, kind of America only, really.
You know, like, let's put our citizens here first.
We've got so many people here, let's just worry about us.
And he's come around, you know?
And I think it was because of, you know, movements within the Turning Point USA crowd that just kind of like, dude, we need to stop.
like remember when I think he was doing like a cultural thing with Rob Smith and remember like the Catholics came up to Charlie Kirk and saying like how does how does promoting like homosexuality help us win the culture wars and they just kept showing up they just kept showing up these guys in suits right they just kept showing up and they had like the rosaries and they just kept asking them over and over again it got to the point where like where's Rob Smith now he's not like I haven't seen him in anything Turning Point USA you know
tim pool
We got Kieran the Meatman.
He says, Shed it to Tate.
He was the best fill-in yet.
Knowledgeable and good presence, but could use some experience, confidence, and maybe some cast brew.
Yeah, I woke up with a sinus infection.
unidentified
And I was like, I'm not getting up.
tim pool
I stayed in bed.
I watched every episode of Andor.
And I hate Star Wars, but a bunch of people were saying it was good, so I figured I'd watch it, and it's really annoyingly woke.
The first season's good.
No, I thought the first season was bad.
What?
They were just like, I guess he goes to jail, and then he gets mad at the Empire, and it's like, okay.
And then he was like, while the world is going on, it's been like a day, and he's already in the prison system, and then like escapes it a day later.
Whatever.
Second season's better.
A lot better.
And there's like...
You know what I can't stand about every single show ever right now is they got to put...
phil labonte
Of course they do.
Why?
aiden mattis
I don't know why they do it, but they do it!
Star Wars was so good about it, too.
There was, like, even in the original trilogy, there's such a bare-bones romantic subplot.
tim pool
You're right.
aiden mattis
Because that's not what it's about.
I was talking about Han and Leia.
tim pool
Oh.
ian crossland
It's a love triangle.
aiden mattis
But it was there.
There was the obligatory love...
triangle and everything.
tim pool
Star Wars has always been awful.
The original ones are okay, but the fact that Luke kissed Leia...
She wasn't his sister until the second episode.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
They didn't write it out.
ian crossland
And Darth wasn't his father.
aiden mattis
I love George Lucas for that.
Absolutely based.
Start a trilogy.
Have no idea where it's going to end.
ian crossland
She wrote a complete package, and then it was so successful, he's like, I better write a sequel.
aiden mattis
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Well, the sequel, the original sequels were going to, it was supposed to be...
It's been a while since I was reading it.
But after Return of the Jedi, what George Lucas actually wrote for the nine treatments, like the basically elevator pitches, was that the next series was they cloned Luke and Leia.
I think they cloned either Luke and Anakin, but they made an army of Jedi clones.
aiden mattis
I think it was Luke and Leia because she's also...
tim pool
And then somehow the Emperor returned.
And we were like, what?
ian crossland
So cheap.
tim pool
Dude, The Last Jedi is the worst film I've ever seen.
I wanted to walk out of the theater.
Plasma arcing in space.
And then Rian Johnson was like, I subverted expectations.
Like, yeah, with being bad.
Because we didn't expect Star Wars to be bad.
aiden mattis
It was really not good.
tim pool
It was awful.
phil labonte
Absolutely awful.
tim pool
They just killed Snoke for no reason.
aiden mattis
I was wondering if he'd ever actually seen a Star Wars movie by the end of it.
tim pool
I don't think he did.
unidentified
Yeah.
aiden mattis
Which is so weird, because Knives Out's a decent movie.
Like, it's a fun movie.
And he's done some good TV directing.
He just sucks at Star Wars, apparently.
tim pool
What did he do?
He did Looper?
Is that what it was?
phil labonte
I think so.
aiden mattis
I think he also directed a couple episodes of Breaking Bad.
ian crossland
Looper was interesting.
That was G. Gordon-Levitt.
Was he in that?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And Bruce Willis?
tim pool
G. Gordon-Levitt?
ian crossland
Yeah, G. Gordon-Levitt.
I'm thinking of G. Edward Griffin, who wrote The Creature from Jekyll Island.
What's up, G. Everett?
aiden mattis
What was the one I was thinking of, Hayden Christensen?
Oh, Jumper.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was mixing those up.
phil labonte
Let's go.
tim pool
What do we got here?
Duke says, I voted DJT all three times.
Shame on him for involving us.
Limited though it is, the only redemption is for Trump to say not another dime of our tax dollars crosses the border.
This is a no-brainer.
Trump's pro-Israel.
I wouldn't be surprised if he puts boots on the ground.
I wouldn't be surprised.
My prediction based on my life is that And then the MAGA base is going to be like, we have to do it.
And there's going to be people coming on this show and they're going to be debating like, you think that if a nation attacks our people directly that we shouldn't intervene and stop them from doing it?
unidentified
Oh, dare you!
tim pool
That's going to be the debate.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
ian crossland
Everyone's like, of course, we need to do a thing.
And then the next day he's like, we need to stop doing a thing.
They're like, we need to stop doing the thing.
tim pool
Oh, the amnesty thing.
Trump's for amnesty now.
And it's just like, Trump came out and he was like, you know, our farmers are being hurt really badly by this.
They got workers.
They're good people.
They've been here for 25 years.
They're not criminals.
We're going to help them out.
And then I'm like, oh, there he goes.
Trump's for amnesty, for illegals.
And a bunch of MAGA personalities were like, Trump's right about this, actually.
We don't want to be deporting.
Get out of here.
unidentified
Jeez.
aiden mattis
Two things can be true at once.
The left can be utterly insane about Trump, and Trump's base can also be a cult.
tim pool
Trump has a cult, but the Trump base is not.
And that's what's dangerous.
aiden mattis
Maybe not the entire base, but there's definitely a cult of personality there.
tim pool
Trump has a lot of—there's a decent percentage of the people who voted for Trump that are—Trump can do no wrong.
But what's dangerous for Trump is that the coalition that elects him is a disparate group.
I mean, if it weren't for the Libertarians voting for Trump, I don't know that Trump would have won.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Because he won by only, like, a couple percentage points.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
tim pool
To be fair, I think the Libertarians only got, like, one anyway.
aiden mattis
But it's probably because— Chase Oliver got, like, 0.05.
tim pool
But then what happened to the other 2.5%?
aiden mattis
You went to Trump, yeah.
Yeah, I'm with you.
tim pool
So bombing Israel, he's not running for re-election, so what does he care, you know?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
tim pool
But I am not for amnesty.
I don't care if you're a farmer who's been here for 20 years.
And Trump is, because Trump is wrong.
Okay.
aiden mattis
We could have had Ron Paul.
phil labonte
We could have.
aiden mattis
Everything could have been better.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Ron Paul's for open borders.
aiden mattis
I think he was, I don't know if he was totally, he was definitely for a more porous border.
tim pool
Yep.
anthony cabassa
I know, isn't that like the Libertarian Party stance is open borders?
They came out with like a statement.
aiden mattis
Big L Libertarian Party, I think, yes, is open borders.
Most Libertarians you talk to will not be in favor of totally.
anthony cabassa
The Big L Libertarians will say those are not real Libertarians.
aiden mattis
Well, any Libertarian will, I'll look at Phil and call him not a real Libertarian, and he'll look at me and call me not a real Libertarian.
phil labonte
Yes.
anthony cabassa
Any monarchy.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Rick Provost says, a guy named Iran has been hitting me with a bat.
The bat is named Hamas.
The idea that the bat is hitting me and not the guy swinging it is silly.
I guess a better way to put it is a guy named Iran keeps giving baseball bats to this guy named Hamas who keeps smashing up my house and beating my family.
And so I was finally like, I saw the guy, Iran, loading up some rifles and I was like, nah, we're not having this.
anthony cabassa
You're saying you believe that?
tim pool
No, no, I'm saying his analogy.
ian crossland
Oh, okay, gotcha.
You could be like, I invited an axe murderer named Iran over.
He's going to be staying here for 45 years.
Why is the axe murderer attacking?
And it's like, well, because you invited him into your freaking house.
tim pool
Who invited Iran into Iran?
aiden mattis
Whoever oversaw that revolution in 79. No, we invited a democratically elected leader into the house, and then the Muslims said no to that.
ian crossland
On paper.
aiden mattis
Well, on paper, they elected the guy.
ian crossland
Do you think the CIA would have stopped if they, with what they...
aiden mattis
I think the CIA could have stopped the Islamic Revolution.
ian crossland
That's true, too.
Which makes my argument fallible.
anthony cabassa
And I love you?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Money, please.
tim pool
Money, please.
I know that I love you.
ian crossland
They're intelligent.
It's in the name.
Yeah.
tim pool
Satoshi Nakamoto means Central Intelligence Base or something like that.
ian crossland
Freakish.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
You know, tell me about this Iranian revolution thing, because for a while I said they had the Shah.
Who was it before the Shah?
aiden mattis
No, that was...
No, the Shah was the monarch of Iran.
ian crossland
King.
aiden mattis
And then we funded a color revolution that deposed him.
And then for a little short while, there was a democratically elected pro-Western leader who was basically a puppet of the UK and the United States.
And then the radical Islamists recognized that this was their opportunity.
And they swept in and just completely converted the entire country to a very, very, very fundamentalist version of Islam.
In the 1970s, if you look at pictures from Iran before the revolution, you've got women wearing miniskirts, you have cars that look like American cars, people playing music in the streets.
phil labonte
No hijab.
aiden mattis
you basically cannot differentiate Iran from Italy in these pictures.
And then by the end, by the eighties, it is the, The king wouldn't play ball with the liberal economic order?
No, the king was gone.
But before we overthrew the king, he just wouldn't, Sorry, Anthony.
anthony cabassa
No, I was going to say, Iran needs to live in modern-day Israel.
Have gay parades all the time.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is serious.
This is before the revolution, man.
CIA stick their nose in there and disrupt it.
Obviously, it was a kingdom, and I'm not supporting monarchy as a governmental style.
aiden mattis
Totally indistinguishable from...
Also, Iranians are white people.
unidentified
Yeah, pretty much.
aiden mattis
Just an aside, a lot of people don't realize that.
phil labonte
Persians.
tim pool
What do you mean by white?
aiden mattis
I mean, they're Indo-Aryan.
anthony cabassa
Peach.
tim pool
Indo-Aryan.
aiden mattis
Indo-Aryan, Indo-European.
Yeah.
Same stock.
Came out of the Iran step.
tim pool
Look at this one.
anthony cabassa
Oh, Iran.
ian crossland
My people.
aiden mattis
Iran had some baddies, not gonna lie.
ian crossland
They still do.
They're just covered up.
Iran, show us your beauty.
The world wants it now.
aiden mattis
Iran, show me your toes.
phil labonte
Oh, God.
ian crossland
Let's commiserate.
tim pool
After seeing all this, I'm now in favor of invading and overthrowing Iran.
Baddies gotta get let go.
aiden mattis
I got him.
I got Tim to support invading Iran.
tim pool
Beautiful part of the world.
I was saying this when they were like, Iran's got a nuclear weapon.
I said, they might as well just be saying Iran's funding illegal immigration because that's a substantially more popular issue in the United States.
Coming out being like, they're going to get a nuke!
People in America are like, we don't care.
India and Pakistan have nukes.
We don't care.
unidentified
Trump should have came out and said, are those illegal immigrants Iran, actually?
tim pool
Everyone would have been like, what?
phil labonte
But would the option be invade Iran?
If we blamed it on Iran, what would we do to Iran because of it?
anthony cabassa
Nothing.
Leave Iran alone.
Just let them be.
We want nothing to do with it.
phil labonte
Well, no, I'm saying hypothetically, if Iran was the reason that we had so many illegal immigrants, how do we punish Iran?
Do we just send all the illegal immigrants back?
anthony cabassa
We do what we're doing in Mexico.
Just allow them to just keep sending everything in, whatever they want.
Drugs, as much as they want.
phil labonte
That's terrible.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab another chair.
We got Dishwasher Safe Catheter says, In keeping with the Timcast tradition, last night we welcomed our fifth child into the world, Joshua Lucas.
We only keep having babies so we can own the libs.
Yeah, having babies to own the libs.
phil labonte
Joshua Lucas.
anthony cabassa
The only reason we're having babies.
tim pool
That's what I do to all my liberal friends when they're sending me messages about whatever stupid politics they're spying with.
Like, well, I have a child.
phil labonte
Send pictures of your daughter.
tim pool
I just sent a picture of my daughter.
phil labonte
I'm sorry.
tim pool
She will outlast you both.
anthony cabassa
She will outlast us both.
You said something earlier where, like, you said something about Gen Z being more radical or, like, more extreme.
I think you said something more conservative.
tim pool
Not more conservative.
They are becoming more conservative, but the younger generation is more likely to call for action, violence or otherwise.
anthony cabassa
Interesting.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So the point being, when Ben Shapiro says, Obviously, we need to stop doing this thing or that thing and ban this thing.
They're going, okay, I heard you, so who's going to get the hammer and go and do it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so that's what they want to hear.
anthony cabassa
No, I know.
My son, we live in L.A. County, and they've gone to public education, so they got to see a lot of stupid stuff.
And obviously, as Christians, we teach them.
Like, hey, we're not for this.
We don't wave these flags.
We don't believe this philosophy.
We're not into the LGBT stuff, obviously.
But yeah, there was a lot of instances that I felt, maybe not radicalized them, but I think it kind of opened his eyes to the things that were happening.
Like, hey, Dad, we're starting to see furries at school.
And I'm like, what the hell is a furry?
And so he actually had to teach me what a furry was because I'm like, dude, I am so sorry.
And so he's like, yeah, there's these guys that are showing up to school and this and that.
And how do you feel about that?
He's like, oh, I've got a group chat.
And we all just make fun of them and we take pictures and this and that.
I'm like, look, man, it's good that you have a group chat or whatever your guys.
But I try to teach him.
I'm like, look, we don't agree with it, but also don't let me get a call from school saying you're bullying the furry.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
But hold on.
To be fair, the fursuit, it protects you.
So if I was wearing one of those mascot costumes and you hit me in the face, I wouldn't notice.
aiden mattis
So before they killed Trevor Moore, he put out a video, a song called Bullies, and it was about how we maybe went too far and we need them back.
And as somebody who was mercilessly bullied in middle school, I am all for it.
I am a better person for it.
I would be so weird if somebody had not been there to correct my behavior.
tim pool
We talked about this earlier.
We were hanging out talking about how we need bullies.
And the clarification is, bullies that mercilessly beat and steal, no, no, no, no, I'm not talking about that.
aiden mattis
No.
tim pool
But, like, if there's a kid who's deviating in a way that is very, very bad for them, and then someone insults them for that, it's a correcting behavior that exists for a reason.
ian crossland
The problem is, when society goes insane, and you're the only sane one, you'll look crazy and you'll get bullied by all the insane people.
aiden mattis
That's what's currently happening.
anthony cabassa
You know what?
I've actually got a perfect exam for you, Tim.
So you were talking about how these people are asking themselves, okay, I hear the problem, but what's going to happen?
This actually happened.
This is a true story.
So my son came home one day and he told me, Dad, they just put tampon dispensers in the male bathrooms.
phil labonte
Insane.
anthony cabassa
And I'm like, okay, well, what's going on?
He's like, well, nothing.
It's just everyone's making a fuss about it.
There's boys that are going in there.
tim pool
Did you have to pay for the tampons?
anthony cabassa
No, they were just free.
tim pool
Dude, that'd be the greatest thing.
ian crossland
Someone would take all of them instantly.
tim pool
Finish your story.
anthony cabassa
No, no, yeah.
So here's what happened.
So before they were even installed, parents were going to the school board and saying, this is egregious, this is stupid, why are we doing this?
You're going to be confusing and this is woke ideology, whatever.
So the school board method just didn't work because the school board ended up voting in favor of it.
Then it happened.
So the next day, he's like, hey, Dad, so someone went in there and they destroyed the tampon dispenser.
And it kind of like, it just reminded me right now, it's like, the parents, we tried the democratic way.
We went to the school board and we said, we want these things out.
The school board ruled, nope, we're doing it in favor.
So then every single day they were installing a brand new tampon.
Every single day.
Boys were getting in there, and they were kicking the tampon dispenser to curve it so that you couldn't dispense.
tim pool
No!
No, no, no!
What are they doing?
anthony cabassa
After a week and a half, they got rid of the tampon dispenser.
tim pool
No, no, no, no!
Boys!
Oh, man.
I was a teenager, and I was driving in a car with my friends.
We were going skating.
And one of our friends had gotten, like, hit a tampon from his girlfriend that was, like, in the car or something.
aiden mattis
I don't like where the story's going.
tim pool
So he stuck it in a water bottle.
And then it expanded, and then he whipped it out the window, and it splattered on some other person's windshield, and we were all laughing.
Don't do that.
That's really, really bad.
aiden mattis
Why would you do that?
tim pool
Because a bunch of 16-year-old boys are acting up, man.
It's not a good thing to do.
That could have been really dangerous.
Okay.
Don't do my point is.
ian crossland
Yeah, they'd be on the walls.
anthony cabassa
Yeah, they'd be in the corners.
Well, they did stuff.
tim pool
Get the little string and you swing it.
anthony cabassa
They did stuff the toilets and clogged the toilets.
ian crossland
Yeah.
anthony cabassa
And so I was telling my son, I'm like, I better not get a phone call.
You know, that you have been partaking like, Dad, I swear it's not me.
I just watch him do it.
And I'm just like, dude, come on!
Like, what is going on here?
But no, you're like, what are you doing?
tim pool
You're supposed to film it while cheering him on.
Put it on a TikTok.
anthony cabassa
No, it was just insane.
I was just like, man, I mean, look, the parents tried it the Democratic way.
We're like, all right, well, you know, I guess we got dispensers now.
And the boys were like, we're not having any of that.
There will be no tampon dispensers.
tim pool
All right, my friends, make sure you smash that like button.
Share the show with literally everyone.
You know, maybe it's a grandma you have.
And she remembers back before the Iranian revolution.
And you can say, hey, grandma, did you know this?
You probably did.
Watch Timcast IRL.
We're going to head out so you can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
Anthony, do you want to shout anything out?
anthony cabassa
Sure.
I go by all socials at Inform with Anthony.
I've got a YouTube.
I'm on Gab, TrueSocial.
You guys can follow me there.
I'll be reporting on the protests all weekend long.
I get back to LAX tomorrow morning.
I'll be there for No Kings Day.
And on X, I am AnthonyKabasa underscore.
aiden mattis
My name is Aidan Mattis.
I am the host of the Lore Lodge, History Unhinged, and the Weird Bible Podcast here on YouTube.
And you can find me at theAidanMattis on Instagram.
ian crossland
At Ian Crossman is where you'll find me.
I didn't talk about it on this show because there wasn't a time, but Jesus turning water into wine.
aiden mattis
Oh, good God.
ian crossland
Best story in the Bible.
Epic, epic scene.
It's like a sitcom.
Highly recommend watching that.
It is John 2. John chapter 1, verse 2. I think it was something like that.
Anyway.
I interviewed my dad.
We got Father's Day coming up, and I just interviewed my father a few days ago, which is a long time coming.
Man, take advantage of that opportunity.
If your dad's here, do an interview with him.
Find out about his past.
My dad had a near-death experience when he was 10, and he's been closer to God.
This dude's amazing.
So that's on my YouTube channel at Ian Crossland.
It's also on RumbleX.
Follow me there at Ian Crossland.
Check out the interview with Tim Crossland.
See you later.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
Our new record is entitled Anti-Fragile.
You can check it out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora, and Deezer.
And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
unidentified
We got clips throughout the weekend, but then we're back on Monday.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out.
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