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phil labonte
Today, Senator Alex Padilla is forcibly removed from DHS Secretary Chrissy Noem's news conference in Los Angeles.
Apparently, he kind of rushed the news conference, and I'm not sure if it was Secret Service or DHS agents that stepped in, but he was actually taken out of the room, and they locked him up a little bit.
I think he was in handcuffs for a little bit, so we'll talk about that.
We're going to talk about some of these other...
But there are multiple groups that are sending money, sending supplies.
People have seen masks turn up.
Allegedly, there are new developments of pallets of bricks and stuff.
I'm not so sure about the validity of those claims, but that's one of the things that you're hearing.
And Antifa anarchist blogs post claim of responsibility for torching NYPD vehicles in Brooklyn.
This is definitely a continuation of the violence that we saw in the riots during 2020.
It's the same type of violence.
So we're going to get into the odds and ends of that.
Donald Trump has made a statement that he supports amnesty.
And then, a little bit later, he walked it back.
Or, yeah, he made a post on Truth Social walking it back.
We'll see if we can figure out where Donald Trump stands.
Does he want the farmers to stay?
Does he want the farmers to go?
What's the deal?
Mediaite was reporting that Trump cancels work permits for over half a million migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
So they're continuing to do the things necessary to control the border and control the immigration influx.
So we'll talk about that.
What else do we got on here?
We've got someone talking about how much they'd rather live next door to MS-13 than to MAGA more.
So we can dunk on them.
And then if we get to it, oh, in the after show, I think is what we're going to talk about it, stuff about submarines and deep water.
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But joining us to talk about all these things tonight is Charlie LaDuff.
charlie leduff
I'm well, man.
How are you?
phil labonte
Who are you?
What do you do?
charlie leduff
I'm a reporter.
I work for the Michigan and Joy.
It's politics and lifestyle in Michigan.
Won a Pulis Prize at the New York Times.
Wrote a couple bestsellers.
I worked for Fox, national correspondent.
I've been through a million riots.
I crossed the desert with the Sinaloa cartel in the year 2000.
In 2023, I crossed the Rio Grande with an ex-con from Nicaragua named Elvis.
phil labonte
Nice.
charlie leduff
Who had 15 pesos to name and he couldn't swim.
phil labonte
Oh, well.
Alright, thank you for joining us.
We appreciate it.
And also we've got Aaron Reitz, who is running to be the AG of Texas.
aaron reitz
Yeah, that's right.
phil labonte
Want to introduce yourself?
aaron reitz
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Yeah, so this morning I announced that I am running for Texas Attorney General to succeed the great Ken Paxton.
But before then I was a presidentially appointed official at the Justice Department.
Ted Cruz's chief of staff for a couple years, Paxton's deputy for a couple years, was a Marine officer, went to Afghanistan once before law school, married, four kids, happy to be here.
phil labonte
Awesome.
Well, we appreciate that.
aaron reitz
It's a good life.
phil labonte
Mary's here.
aaron reitz
Not the best haircut, but, you know, good life.
phil labonte
Mary Morgan is here.
mary morgan
Hello, everyone.
My name is Mary Morgan, and you can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast.
I'm happy to be here.
phil labonte
All right.
So let's get right into it.
NBC News reports that.
Tim is out sick.
I'm here.
Oh, you're going to wear the beanie?
There you go.
So, anyways, yeah.
Yeah, Tim didn't do his daytime show today, and he didn't do, he's not doing nothing.
I think he's getting sick.
I'm not sure if he's going to be back tomorrow either.
But we'll see.
Anyways, NBC News reports, Senator Alex Padilla, Democrat from California, was forcibly removed from a news conference in Los Angeles on Thursday after he tried to question Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem during a news conference related to immigration.
I'm Senator Alex Padilla.
I have questions for the secretary, Padilla said to Noam, which prompted several men dressed in plain clothes to physically push him out of the room.
A top FBI official later said Bureau personnel and Secret Service agents were involved in the senator's removal.
Padilla's office shared a video of the incident with NBC News.
The video shows Padilla being taken into a hallway outside and pushed face forward to the ground as officers with FBI identifying vests told the senator to put his hands behind his back.
The officers then handcuffed him.
Should we handcuff more senators?
Pardon me?
Oh, we got video.
Okay.
mary morgan
Oh, I want to see this.
phil labonte
Yeah, let's see.
How legit was this?
mary morgan
The rat fights.
unidentified
Sir!
Sir!
Hands up!
Hands up!
I'm Senator Alex Padilla.
I have questions for the secretary because the fact of the matter is Okay, he didn't say that right away.
I'm talking violent criminals that you're rotating on your hands off.
charlie leduff
Okay, whoa, whoa, you just...
With everything going on in L.A., some guy runs into a room like that.
And I'm a senator.
unidentified
Hands upon your back.
Hands upon your back.
I'm sorry.
phil labonte
Stop resisting.
Other hand, sir.
unidentified
Other hand.
mary morgan
Is he charged with anything?
phil labonte
No, if I understand correctly, he's not charged with anything.
They let him go once they found out who he was and what the situation was.
The Democrats on the Hill are acting like this is the end of the world.
This is the nightmare scenario that Donald Trump has brought to the United States and the terrible authoritarian regime he is installing.
mary morgan
The way that it was...
So I didn't see that part of the video.
unidentified
Was he coming at her?
aaron reitz
And by the way, Padilla, when I was Senator Cruz's chief of staff, I had to interact with him several times.
He's a big guy.
He's a big guy.
I say he's probably 6 '3", I'd bet 230 pounds.
charlie leduff
Looks it.
aaron reitz
Yeah, I mean, he's a big guy, and you could see him as the, I don't know if it was Secret Service or whatever her personal security detail was.
They were trying to gesture, hey, you can't just, you gotta come back, and you saw him push his chest up against them.
So, look, here's a grandstanding liberal Democratic senator trying to go viral who is bursting into a press conference and getting the result that anybody in his situation, whether he was Senator Padilla or just Alex, anybody doing some antics like that would have gotten that result.
mary morgan
You'd expect antics like that from Congress.
unidentified
You would or wouldn't?
mary morgan
I would.
aaron reitz
Yes, of course.
That's what I'm saying.
charlie leduff
Well, I've been to plenty of press conferences and you're not allowed to do that.
You're not allowed.
And bum rush, lunge, whatever.
You barged in there.
You started yelling.
You didn't say who you were.
You weren't wearing your Senate pin.
You pushed you back.
You pushed forward again.
Okay, so maybe you're like a homeless nut.
You're going into the hallway.
And you're going to be removed.
Now, if you want to do some criticism, maybe you have to put him to the ground.
You could have just cuffed him right there, calmed him down, right?
But because you're in the United States Senate, you get no special, right?
You behave like we behave.
And I'm incensed because I used to live in L.A. and I love it.
It gave me my first child.
It gave me my first home.
Nobody in charge in California has said, take care of each other.
Don't burn anything.
Do it peacefully.
Nothing.
It's all of this.
aaron reitz
Yeah.
Look, I don't give Senator Padilla any credit here.
I mean, even if he were wearing his Senate pin and announced himself as, "Hi, I'm Senator Alex Padilla," it doesn't entitle you to burst into a cabinet secretary's press conference.
And by the way, when he went out into the hallway, he knew exactly what he was doing.
unidentified
You could see it if you replay the You could see him in the video doing it.
mary morgan
They didn't push him down.
aaron reitz
Right.
unidentified
And you can see the picture on the left there, like, they're trying to get his arms behind his back.
aaron reitz
He's actually resisting that, and so the only way that you can get his arms behind his back is you've got to bring him to the floor.
charlie leduff
Oh, by the way, so the Homeland Security director is in L.A. when they're expecting it's been a wild week and it's going to be a wild weekend, and a guy comes up like that.
Well, what do you think is going to happen?
He knows what was going to happen.
phil labonte
To that point, not only that, but you had two attempts on Donald Trump's life.
The left has been targeting people clearly and openly for the better part of a year now.
That's right.
It's been unambiguous.
So to think that, hey, we need to have a little extra security because people are trying to throw their weight around inside of DHS.
That's not unusual or some kind of odd expectation.
charlie leduff
I think that's fair to say.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's completely reasonable to say, okay, we're not going to let you approach the elected officials who happen to share the same political ideology or political party of the people that have been attacked historically for the past year, pretty old.
charlie leduff
If I might, afterwards, he gives a little press conference.
phil labonte
Yep.
charlie leduff
Saw somewhere out on the steps of the federal building there.
And he says, well, I was in the same building and I heard she was giving a press conference.
And since I'm not getting any information, I thought I would go.
and listen to see if I could pick up a few clues here.
But did that look like a guy that walked into a room to quietly listen?
phil labonte
No.
charlie leduff
Maybe stand against the wall, waved to her afterwards and said, madam, can I get a moment of your time kind of thing?
unidentified
No.
charlie leduff
So I'm not buying it.
aaron reitz
To your point, it is...
It is not safe to assume that conservatives are necessarily going to do that, but today's left, BLM, the sort of riot, the anti-ice riots now, the threats against the president, the constant threats online against people in this administration.
It is not unreasonable to assume that somebody busting in to take out the Secretary of Homeland Security is going to try to propagate violence.
phil labonte
Yeah.
So NBC News went on to say President Donald Trump's immigration policies and the administration's handling of demonstrations against those policies have sparked an outcry in recent days.
After protesters clashed with officers from Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles on Friday, the president deployed a number of deployed members of the National Guard and later Marines to assist local law enforcement.
Dozens of demonstrations have taken place across the country in the days that followed.
Speaking to reporters later Thursday, Padilla said that he was receiving a briefing from military officials when he learned Noam was in the same building and decided to join.
aaron reitz
So this is, again, a grandstanding Democratic senator who's like, wait a second.
I could go viral here.
I'm going to go do something stupid.
And, I mean, mission accomplished in a way.
He did do something stupid.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know that I consider it stupid.
I think it's pretty predictable.
And also, you know, it's emblematic of the times that we live in where everyone wants that viral clip.
charlie leduff
Look at the bad journalism there.
phil labonte
Pardon me?
charlie leduff
Look at the bad journalism.
Padilla said he was receiving a briefing from military officials.
Okay, he wanted answers.
He's talking to the military.
When he learned Noam was in the same building and decided to join her briefing.
I was there peacefully, he said.
I didn't see that in the clip.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I don't...
He was definitely trying to use...
Throw his weight around.
mary morgan
It was like the first like union address that Trump gave.
And who was it that started like yelling and causing a huge scene in the.
phil labonte
I don't know who it was, but that's actually happened more time than before.
charlie leduff
Congressman Cain.
The guy with the cane.
unidentified
With the cane.
He was shaking the cane.
Yes, Green.
mary morgan
Yeah.
unidentified
That's exactly right.
charlie leduff
Al Green.
Al Green.
aaron reitz
He disrupted it.
mary morgan
The hysterics and the melodrama.
unidentified
Totally right.
mary morgan
And he was given way too many chances before getting thrown out of there.
aaron reitz
Totally right.
unidentified
Totally right.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, and it does show that the reaction by Speaker Johnson to not actually do anything was definitely, you know, kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.
aaron reitz
Against Green?
phil labonte
Yeah.
aaron reitz
Well, he was eventually, I mean, it led to Mary's point.
phil labonte
I mean, he went for like way too long, but I think he was eventually Yeah, they adjourned because he wouldn't shut up.
charlie leduff
Well, all I could tell you is, as a swing voter in a swing state, me, you know, this ain't doing it for me.
It's not.
This is the strategy.
I can't.
I used to never belong to the Democratic Party, but when you're from Detroit, that's how you think.
phil labonte
Sure.
charlie leduff
I never moved.
Where did these people go?
I love this country.
phil labonte
Well, that's the thing nowadays, at least presently, the people that are protesting and rioting, they're not.
Democrats that love this country.
They're progressives that see only the flaws in the United States.
charlie leduff
Does that shit look like progress to you, man?
phil labonte
No, not at all.
charlie leduff
How do you get to be called a progressive?
phil labonte
Of course not.
charlie leduff
When it's burning it up.
phil labonte
Yeah, they believe that the destruction of the existing system is necessary for the new system to exist.
That's right.
But I think we're going to go to, we got some breaking news right now.
Nick Sorter is reporting that explosions are heard in Tehran, Iran, per Wall Street Journal.
Nick says, it seems it has begun.
Pray for America.
Pray for our troops.
Which is great.
I love the sentiment.
But this should not be the United States carrying out these attacks.
And if I understand correctly, it is not the United States.
charlie leduff
What's good old Nick reporting?
Or is he reporting somebody else's report?
phil labonte
I think he's reporting someone else's report.
charlie leduff
I stay away from it because I don't know what's going on.
unidentified
This guy's saying, is Israel attacks Iran?
phil labonte
Yeah, Israel attacks Iran.
Visuals from Tehran.
unidentified
We've got some video here.
phil labonte
What's up?
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
charlie leduff
That could have been from the last time.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean...
charlie leduff
Keep calm.
more weight.
phil labonte
Well, Eventually.
charlie leduff
That is true.
mary morgan
Sorry, I'm laughing at...
aaron reitz
Yeah, look, I hope that...
unidentified
I mean, I'll withhold judgment until we see what's going on.
aaron reitz
But I hope that the United States doesn't get plunged into another...
I remember 9-11 happened when I was a freshman in high school, and it shaped that whole teen in 20 years.
And I went to Afghanistan.
I remember totally sold on the mission.
We've got to go get the bad guys.
They're going to come here to get us.
unidentified
I mean, it was a true believer.
aaron reitz
And then you get to Afghanistan, and you're like, oh my gosh, this is never going to be.
It doesn't matter how many Dari or Pashtun.
unidentified
Constitutions we print, this ain't gonna stick.
It ain't going to take root.
aaron reitz
And I just, I hope that...
charlie leduff
There ain't no weapons of mass destruction here.
Hey, Colonel, there's no weapons here.
We've been told that we're here to impart democracy.
I'm like, oh no.
phil labonte
You can't...
It's the whole, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.
charlie leduff
Well, you better get it right before you start sending my brother over here.
You see what I'm saying?
phil labonte
I completely agree with you.
But that was the failing of the first 10 years of this century, the Bush administration's – That's crazy.
unidentified
I'm not even fully convinced I want those.
charlie leduff
They only said that after we were there.
That wasn't the reason.
aaron reitz
No, I don't know.
That was very much sort of the neoconservative thinking at the time.
It's that, look, there are people, there are sort of universal...
And so we need to topple those regimes to then let freedom breathe.
And I think that that philosophy – It is a total error.
charlie leduff
Completely, completely.
Let's remember, though, that's not...
Well, I watched the planes hit the Twin Towers, and I covered the...
The action to send my cousin, me, you, the way they sold it to us was not about selling democracy.
It was like, those fuckers hit us, go get that guy.
And then some more BS about they were also involved.
phil labonte
Well, my biggest memory of the...
It was all about the nuclear threat that Saddam Hussein would pose to the United States and the possibility of not just a dirty bomb but an actual functioning nuclear weapon in a port city here in the U.S. That was the argument that was made that I heard most frequently.
charlie leduff
But there was the tie to Al-Qaeda.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah, yeah.
aaron reitz
Well, look, that whole time there was also a tremendous amount of mission.
Yes, exactly.
9-11 happens.
Okay, who did it?
Al-Qaeda.
Those are bad guys, right?
No question.
Bad guys.
unidentified
No question.
aaron reitz
Who's harboring them?
Well, there's this political party in Afghanistan called the Taliban.
So the Taliban is the ruling party of a regime that is harboring the bad guys.
So we're going to go and get the bad guys.
But then it creeped into, well, if you break it, you buy it.
So we're here breaking things.
Well, I guess the moral thing to do is to sort of, we're going to blow you up and then we're going to rebuild you.
And then Iraq creeped in because people had been salivating over toppling the Saddam Hussein regime for decades.
Now you had the pretext where Americans' eyes are now oriented toward the Middle East.
Now's the time for Saddam Hussein to go down.
So why don't we start a second war in Iraq?
And then it just spiraled, spiraled, spiraled.
And what kept it going for that whole time was a philosophy of regime change, which we've sort of already articulated, which is that these people want freedom.
The bad guys don't hate our freedoms.
So let's take out the bad guys that hate our freedoms.
phil labonte
And then we'll be safe.
And then the people of whatever country they're making the argument for, democracy will blossom.
charlie leduff
So here's what happened for 20 years.
In fact, what we'll do is they hate our guts.
We're going to pay them through USAID.
We're going to build a water treatment plant in Fallujah that never gets built.
And when you're over there, right?
Like, you run out of cigarettes or chewing tobacco.
Who do you got to go to to get cigarettes?
It's the guy in the white robe who's got dough and American tobacco.
And you're like...
aaron reitz
First, back in 2015-16, and then again in – well, frankly, again in 2020, there were some issues there.
And then in 2024 was a rejection of this philosophy.
phil labonte
Yes.
aaron reitz
It was a failed experiment for the better part of 30 years – or 20 years.
And it was a rejection of that.
So part of why I hate to see this is not only because I just – war is like not the best thing.
It's necessary sometimes, but it's not the best.
I don't want to see Americans forget the lessons that we've learned in Iraq and Afghanistan.
mary morgan
I am surprised, and admittedly, I don't follow geopolitics at all, but the last I heard, and tell me if I'm wrong, the U.S. had a proposal, a sort of compromise, that they would take their uranium enrichment off of their own land.
As far as I had last checked into it, they had not even replied to that proposal yet.
aaron reitz
You say Iran had not?
mary morgan
Iran, yes.
They had not even replied formally to that proposal yet.
When this happened?
phil labonte
Yes.
mary morgan
I thought at least that Israel would have waited until there was a formal rejection of the U.S.'s proposal to them.
unidentified
I don't know.
mary morgan
Wouldn't it be nice?
They might have taken it.
aaron reitz
Right.
charlie leduff
As I said at the start of this segment, I don't know.
And I was a younger man when I didn't know, and I just followed.
I'm a wiser man.
I don't know.
It's a good question you ask.
Maybe Israel has intelligence that Iran sped it up.
I don't know.
I don't know if that video's true.
I don't know why the bombs went off, but as a wiser guy, I'm coming at it with caution.
phil labonte
We've got this tweet from Barack Ravid.
Yeah.
Breaking Israeli Minister of Defense, Israel Katz, declares a special state of emergency in the home front throughout the entire state of Israel.
Following the state of Israel's preemptive strike against Iran, a missile and drone attack against the state of Israel and its civilian population is expected in the immediate future, Katz said.
I think that kind of goes without saying.
And if I understand correctly...
The opinion is that the response from Iran is not going to be small.
You're going to probably see hundreds of missiles shot at Israel.
And I think that Israel does not expect the Iron Dome to be able to handle the volume.
unidentified
And what we see, again, assuming this is true— Yeah, and that's like what they've been doing for a long time.
serge du preez
Like the six-day war, they're kind of like the, let's say, the leading experts on these preemptive strikes and like taking care of something before it even is a problem for you.
So it's interesting to see what's going to happen with all this.
charlie leduff
What did they strike?
serge du preez
That hasn't been said yet.
I've been trying to get information as soon as we went live.
This is kind of when we started getting reports about 8 o 'clock exactly.
So we had to run the whole first segment first before we got to this too.
But all the information you have now is what we have.
phil labonte
It's all AI.
mary morgan
Just kidding.
unidentified
Has anybody in the Trump administration put out a statement?
We haven't seen anything yet.
phil labonte
Not that I'm aware of.
unidentified
I'd be curious if during the course of this show if something comes out.
phil labonte
Yeah, I would not be surprised if some kind of statement.
unidentified
Surely there's got to be something.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Because, I was going to ask a question.
I don't see how the US has to get drawn into this.
I do think that Israel could have waited, but I still don't see how the US has to be involved.
aaron reitz
Well, those are two different questions.
Your second question, I think, is an interesting one, which is, I don't see why the US should get involved.
But your first question was, I don't see how it could get involved.
And those are slightly different because what's still happening to this day in 2025 is you've got, even on the right, you have a huge philosophical difference on an approach to geopolitics.
I mean, there's this sort of neocon view, and then there's the more realist or isolate, people call it isolationist view.
And it's not particularly clear who...
And I think ultimately the president as a commander-in-chief has got to make the decision.
My sense is that President Trump's inclination is to let the situation develop before he commits any troops.
I think President Trump has consistently run on foreign policy prudence, foreign policy restraint and realism.
And I think his first instinct is your instinct, which is like – Troops is a big leap.
charlie leduff
We're involved right now.
We're involved with intelligence, armament.
phil labonte
So go ahead, actually.
Please expand on that.
You think that the U.S. is providing intel and you think the U.S. is providing them weapons?
charlie leduff
We provide them money.
I mean, these are just facts that we know that have been going on for years.
phil labonte
So you're talking about the more broad issue of foreign aid to Israel.
charlie leduff
Yeah, that we know.
phil labonte
Yes.
charlie leduff
Right now, just dumping troops in there.
I don't know about that, right?
The world already knows this.
So let's bring it around back to the border.
Who did we let in?
Are there Iranian cells here?
You know, is there a way to?
phil labonte
I don't think that I think I think the question is almost a guaranteed yes, that there's there are people that there are Iranians here.
I don't know that they're state sponsored, but there are Iranians here that don't look.
aaron reitz
And there was no mechanism or political will to vet anybody over the past four years.
unidentified
Exactly.
charlie leduff
Yeah, it's the worry.
The short-term worry.
Short-term.
phil labonte
Sure.
So what have we got here?
serge du preez
Yeah, we have a couple more things.
I can't wait to see me this with the home front command.
And then we also have these commercial flights from OSINT Defender here showing how the commercial flights have been rerouted around Tel Aviv and then also around Tehran.
So we don't really know necessarily where everything's being struck, but judging by these two, I guess, pieces of information, you know.
phil labonte
They're expecting the retaliation.
charlie leduff
What is OSINT Defender?
serge du preez
OSINT Defender is an X page.
Yeah, shout out, Osin Defender.
charlie leduff
And the first one was the Israeli government.
So that's an official.
serge du preez
This is what they posted out to everyone that's in the.
phil labonte
Yeah, well, definitely.
charlie leduff
Wow.
Is anything good going on, man?
phil labonte
Not today.
aaron reitz
Yes, my name's Aaron Reitz, and I'm running for Texas Attorney General.
You can go to AaronReitz.com.
That's the great news today.
Texans can have hope that the next Attorney General is going to be a champion for liberty and justice in the Lone Star State.
charlie leduff
Everyone's settling right in.
We got it in.
phil labonte
So, Ken Paxton, who is currently the AG, right?
He's running for The United States Senate.
aaron reitz
So he's jumped into the Republican primary to primary John Cornyn.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
All right.
aaron reitz
So Ken Paxton has been the Texas AG for three terms, so four-year terms, right?
It's been just over a decade for him.
And Paxton has taken what, you know, 15 years ago, state AGs, nobody was really talking about, like, state AGs.
In the same way, they don't talk really about state treasurers or, you know, state ag.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, AGs nowadays, actually, it kind of does matter.
aaron reitz
It matters.
That's what I'm saying.
That evolution from AGs kind of being like a B-team state office holders, guys who want to be the next governor.
That's why they call AG like aspiring governor because they're just sitting there and waiting to go be the next one.
But it was guys like Paxton and very few others who sort of wielded their constitutional powers to make a state AG something that's really a national force.
And so, yeah, I'm running for Texas AG.
Folks need to understand, and your national audience needs to understand, that if you don't get a good state AG in Texas who presides over the largest Republican law firm in the country by orders of magnitude, you're missing out on an opportunity to really advance the ball for law and order, for justice, for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
So Paxton is the one that turned it up a notch.
He turned it up to 11 and is now running for the Senate.
So now the seat's open and I've jumped in.
phil labonte
Awesome.
We actually just got this update.
serge du preez
What was that?
phil labonte
Yeah, so we actually got this update from Alana Treen.
Donald Trump is convening a cabinet-level meeting as Israel launched what it called preemptive strikes against Iran.
A White House official and two sources familiar with the plans told her and Kylie Atwood.
The meeting was planned before the strike, the sources say.
charlie leduff
Who is she?
Alana Treen.
phil labonte
Hold on one second.
charlie leduff
I gotta check, man.
phil labonte
White House reporter for CNN.
unidentified
Oh.
Let me read the...
phil labonte
What was that?
The meeting was expected to focus on the U.S. response to the developing events in Iran.
Two of the sources said Trump was seen leaving the congressional picnic at the White House shortly after 8 p.m.
The White House declined to comment.
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I still can't imagine how the United States benefits from being involved in this.
I know that the argument that people say is, like, Israel's our greatest ally or whatever.
We need to support Israel because they're surrounded by enemies and they're a democracy in the Middle East and yada, yada, yada.
But I still don't see why the United States needs to be involved when, honestly, it's my opinion that Israel has more than enough technological capability to...
aaron reitz
I think we just need to let the situation develop a little bit.
If the president determines that critical American national interests are at risk of non-intervention, then maybe intervention is the way to go.
unidentified
But I think that what press...
aaron reitz
But President Trump, I think – I anticipate that he would, if we do get more involved, be able to articulate a vital national security interest that is more concrete than the basis for the wars that we went to over the past 20 years.
charlie leduff
Well, Saudi Arabia is here too.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, Saudi Arabia has way more concern about what Iran's doing than the United States.
charlie leduff
Also, a client slash business partner of ours.
Remember when the Iranians blew up their pipelines?
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
charlie leduff
Okay, so, you know, there was a big party there a couple weeks ago.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
charlie leduff
But it's not my ballywick, but just my mind's running, right?
Okay, so if we put troops over there, we got troops in L.A. tonight, right?
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, technically, yes, we do.
charlie leduff
So just to go back around there, back to the riots and whatever, people are so dumb.
The Democrats are really dumb because I'm from Detroit.
In the 67 riots, the 82nd and 101st Airborne were in Detroit.
In 1943, six, I don't know, battalions came in to stop the riots.
In the Civil War in 1863, the United States Army was there.
So Detroit has the great history of being the only United States citizenry.
to be occupied by the United States military three times.
So this isn't unheard of.
You know what I'm saying?
phil labonte
No, no, no, no.
charlie leduff
Gavin Newsom's tweeting it.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
It's outrageous.
charlie leduff
Some constitutionalists not.
phil labonte
No, no.
In fact, the Trump administration has been well within its rights, within the legal boundaries set up in the Constitution and stuff.
As of right now, the military is there and all they're doing is drawing security for the...
But otherwise, they're not doing the police work.
The military is not paying attention.
charlie leduff
Precedent for it.
phil labonte
So I assume there is with the Insurrection Act.
The Insurrection Act would have to be invoked for them to do that kind of stuff.
And as of right now, to be honest with you, Donald Trump is – he's acting assertively without – honestly, without acting aggressively.
As much as there are people that are going to swear up and down that he's being aggressive, the fact – just the federal agents carrying out their job is not aggressive.
That is just them doing their jobs.
aaron reitz
The hysterics from the left over the very disciplined approach that the president has taken is just totally disproportionate and weird, frankly.
phil labonte
Well, I mean – It's a tactic with a goal.
aaron reitz
Well, yes.
And also the left is weird.
They've lost their minds over a completely reasonable and sort of tempered response almost.
charlie leduff
I like the left.
They're cool.
This is the far left nutjobs.
The left can lead us places.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
charlie leduff
Those are my friends too.
unidentified
I don't agree with that.
charlie leduff
I just try to get along in the world.
What's going on?
I want no part of it.
I don't understand it.
And I will stand against it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, and that's something that I think that the majority of...
They're like, wait a minute, we're not supposed to be happy that there are people waving foreign flags.
We're not supposed to be happy that there are people that are actually fighting with the police.
We're not supposed to be happy that there are cars burning, even if it is only a few blocks where this is happening, which is something I hear the Democrats point out.
It's like, it's such a small area.
It's such a small area, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, that's this week.
And everyone knows that come Saturdays, Here's what my dad told me.
charlie leduff
He got back from Nam, and he was driving a bread truck, Wonder Bread, and he said, you want to know what happens during a ride?
I go, what's that, Dad?
He says, the bread man don't show up.
The beer man don't show up.
It's not the way to go.
phil labonte
So we got this post here from Mario Knopfel.
Breaking Israel strikes Tehran targets homes of top Iranian officials.
Israel reportedly targeted the homes of Iran's top political and military officials during tonight's strike on the capital city of Tehran.
serge du preez
It makes sense.
All those images we're seeing look like they're middle of the city.
phil labonte
Yeah, they're not striking the—this isn't an attack on the nuclear infrastructure.
This is an attack on the people in charge of Iran's military and government.
So that'll change the estimation and how Iran is going to respond, I imagine, significantly.
Yeah.
You know, if Israel were to say this is just about the nuclear...
Missile or nuclear technology, then that'd be one thing.
This isn't going to be totally a different kind of response from Iran.
charlie leduff
Seems so.
phil labonte
I don't see Iran taking it pretty well when they were personally targeted.
charlie leduff
But they neutered Hezbollah, so maybe this is the pager part two, but it's coming from the sky instead of in your pocket.
phil labonte
So we're going to jump to, we were talking about the people going crazy in LA.
We're going to jump to this post-millennial story.
Antifa anarchist blog post claim of responsibility for torching NYPD vehicles in Brooklyn.
The cars were just waiting there, practically begging for a new makeover, the post from Antifa-affiliated blog reads.
From Katie Daviscourt, an Antifa-affiliated blog post a claim of responsibility for an arson attack targeting eight New York Police Department vehicles parked near the 83rd Precinct in Brooklyn on Wednesday.
The incident occurred around 1.30 a.m., and the anarchists called for additional attacks against the police and government in solidarity with the anti-ICE riot So, Antifa's attacking not just ICE.
But any police.
This brings to mind all of the ACAB sentiment that you heard so much in 2020, how all cops are guilty of being oppressors and they need to get rid of ICE entirely.
They want to abolish ICE.
There's probably going to be more calls to abolish the police, even though the results of the calls to abolish the police were more crime in the most.
Crime-ridden areas, and it wasn't any kind of positive result for the people of those areas.
So these activists that are making these demands or making these calls, they're actually harming the people they swear up and down they're trying to help.
aaron reitz
Yeah, you give them too much credit by just merely calling them activists.
I mean, these people are seditionists, they are insurrectionists, and they are in our midst.
They are trained under a sort of cultural Marxism that justifies violence.
That's why we see an increasing wave over the past decade of left-wing violence.
And you have blue state governors, blue state AGs, Soros-funded DAs, Soros-funded police chiefs who have given safe harbor to the seditionists and the insurrectionists.
And so it becomes very difficult to do what's necessary to keep our American cities safe.
So this is not surprising.
unidentified
I mean, it's shocking, but it's not surprising to see this sort of thing.
charlie leduff
I like how Black Lives Matter.
Two-thirds of them were white, and they went home to the suburbs and couldn't sleep in mommy's basement.
That's how I see it on the streets.
aaron reitz
Yeah, look, these are actual domestic terror organizations, actually.
And I think that if you read, you just have to open up like their own like user manuals and they are domestic terrorists and they should be treated like domestic terrorists.
Now, what the left wants to do and what they particularly did during the Biden administration is they protested.
Oh, they're the seditionists and the insurrectionists and the extremists and the domestic terrorists.
But man, we need a national mobilization of law enforcement to root these guys out.
I know that as the next Attorney General of Texas, and to learn more you should go to AaronWrites.com, that the Attorney General of Texas has tremendous power to sort of investigate the flow of where all this money and the funding is going to expose and then work with local law enforcement to go arrest and then try these criminals.
phil labonte
So what do you think the chances of a legitimate like Rico case being put together surrounding these?
aaron reitz
I mean, it's just always, I mean, it's, this is why you get them on tax fraud, right?
Like, it's, even in instances where you just have sort of totally flagrant, you know, mafiosa style.
It's like, oh, the RICO case doesn't stick and so got you on the tax fraud.
So look, I think that it – there are civil and criminal theories of RICO.
And that it takes enterprising attorneys general who understand the nature of the threat and who want to pursue charges in creative but lawful ways to bring justice.
And so anyway, just to circle back on my first answer to you, I think there's a there there.
I think that an investigation may give rise to either civil or criminal RICO charges against these sorts of networks.
But they're always difficult to stick.
that you bring them in, you're either going to get, you know, a democratically appointed or in some jurisdictions a democratically elected judge.
So a Democrat judge with a Democrat jury and a Democrat, you know, criminal defense attorney and a sympathetic Democrat media that will cover the cases.
It, you know, the cases are stacked against law and order.
It's tough.
mary morgan
My thought is Antifa should have been designated a domestic terrorist organization years ago.
aaron reitz
100%.
mary morgan
During Trump's first administration, I'm still puzzled as to why he didn't do that and hasn't done it yet still.
And I'm looking at this that they arrested three members of Antifa in Portland so far for stacking flammable debris on the local ice building and trying to set it on fire.
And you look at the pictures of these people, they just look pathetic.
I mean, they look like baristas.
That's why people, no one regards them as the threats that they are.
aaron reitz
And I also love, there's like viral clips coming out now of like leftists at gyms getting like liberal workouts and stuff.
Have you guys seen this?
phil labonte
Yeah, I've seen some of those.
aaron reitz
Where they're like, they get into the boxing ring and they're just like, they're completely unathletic schlubs, like trying to be fearsome because we're going to fight the fascists or whatever.
and it's totally lame and cringy.
unidentified
I mean, we should be investigating these...
mary morgan
I just saw people circulating this letter that he wrote out for his 27th birthday.
He wrote down a list of all the things he's grateful for.
And one of them was hashtag Latinas for Luigi or whatever.
He knows that people idolize him online.
And the people who are publicly posting about that...
Arrest them.
And in LA, they should just be coming in there with unmarked vans and rounding these people up, literally, and possibly just throwing them out over the Mexican border.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, it's very tempting.
aaron reitz
I mean, it sounds like a good time.
In fact, when I resigned from the Justice Department on, I guess it was last night, All of my Marine friends were like, you know, dude, are you getting mobilized to go to L.A.?
And I was like, don't tempt me with a good time because that would have been fine.
I agree with you, though.
We just need the political will to enforce law and order and bring justice.
mary morgan
I feel like Trump so tragically mishandled the Summer of Love 1.0, and we're about to embark on Summer of Love 2.0.
That's what we're looking at right now.
And he held back.
Because it was prior to the election and they didn't want to have bad press.
That's my opinion.
phil labonte
You're talking about in 2020?
aaron reitz
Yeah.
phil labonte
Do you think that is going to be replayed here this summer?
Or do you think that he'll be more forward?
No, the reaction from the press.
mary morgan
I mean, obviously his attention is divided at the moment.
But, I mean, it's been not a great showing so far.
I like that they were ramping up.
Deportations, obviously, but I don't see enough of a strong response to the criminal actions of protesters.
phil labonte
So he's already activated the Guard.
He sent 2,000 Marines to one spot in one city.
They continued the ICE operations, and that's what the National Guard—the Marines haven't got there.
I'm not sure if the Marines are there now, but as of last night, the Marines were still doing training for basically riot training.
But the National Guard is there.
The Guard unit was running security for ICE and for everybody so they could go and continue to do their jobs.
I mean, that's night and day different from what he did initially in the Summer of Love.
He basically, he just had federal assets to protect the courthouses and the federal houses, like federal buildings.
They didn't do any kind of support role for, And there was no federal assets doing a support role for the police.
I think that the response so far is significantly stronger than that.
mary morgan
I'm just not going to be satisfied until I see every last one of these people.
Rounded up and arrested, and so far there are three in Portland, from what I've seen.
phil labonte
She's like, until I see him look like Vlad the Impaler.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, so I would say.
mary morgan
And until the deportation numbers are up to, let's say, 3,000 a day for the rest of this presidency, which is not going to happen.
aaron reitz
Yeah, I mean, look, there's like...
mary morgan
Probably like 40 million.
aaron reitz
So that's actually probably right.
Like, just assume that whatever reported numbers exist is probable.
I know.
No, look, I share the sympathy.
I will say, to President Trump's credit, I think the BLM terror uprisings in 2020 was – I don't know that I would pin the –
I think that this was the first real mass national militant ideologically leftist anti-American like insurrection in a long time and that.
The administration and law enforcement are like trying to figure out how do we do this?
Like is this going to go away in a week?
Are they just letting off some steam for a week?
And then it turns out it went on for months and then it's like, okay, now what do we do?
Now we have blue mayors, blue police departments, blue governors like taking the knee and putting their BLM fist in the air.
And navigating that is actually really tricky.
I will say, though, to President Trump's—now, again, Mary, though, to your point, like, I know what I—I think I know what I would have done back then, and I would have put riot gear on everybody and gone online from one, you know, the east of the urban area to the west— Literally just combed the cities.
charlie leduff
By the way, though, man, I mean, when the president mobilizes the National Guard over and above The governor.
Normally, he notifies the governor.
This is not normal, and you're not going to do it in all cases.
If the governor doesn't want to take care of the governor's own territory, that's what happened in 2020.
You don't want to do it, Harry Balls, Tim Walls, whatever.
You don't want to let it burn.
Then I guess we're going to have to step in.
So you do learn, okay, Gavin Newsom, you're particularly troublesome.
But you're not going to see...
aaron reitz
But there's not a requirement.
There's no legal requirement to get the governor's permission.
charlie leduff
There is none, no.
That's why it's very exceptional.
So now, do you really expect the President of the United States to be managing 50 National Guards as well?
I expect the governor to do it.
But he's been such an abject failure in California.
We've learned it now.
We learned it in 2020.
We learned it from the fires.
We're going to make a statement here, I think, is what's going on.
aaron reitz
Yeah, look, the blue jurisdictions are failed regimes.
Like California...
Look, California has a lot of good things going for it.
When I think of California, I actually am, like, more heartbroken than I am disgusted because it's, like, a great American state.
It's beautiful.
I lived there in Southern California for three years when I was stationed at Pendleton.
And so we love California.
It's a great American state.
But when creatures of the left assume power, all they know how to do is to destroy or preside over brokenness and rottenness.
And so California and some of these other blue cities and counties around the country, they're just failed regimes.
Now, we can't allow within American borders for there to just be, like, whole-scale failed cities.
And so it then gets escalated.
charlie leduff
And then send me money to fix it because...
phil labonte
Well, I mean, speaking of money, there's something that I wanted to bring up.
The Post Millennial was reporting, these are the groups suspected of funding radical LA anti-ice protests.
Some left-wing activist groups are suspected of funding the anti-ice protests turned riots over the weekend.
FBI Director Cash Patel has said that the law enforcement agency will be investigating all the funding as well as the groups that supported and organized the efforts.
The FBI is investigating any and all monetary connections responsible for these riots, Patel told Just the News earlier this week.
Over the weekend, after some initial peaceful anti-ice protests, violence and riots erupted in downtown L.A. with Waymark cars being burned, looted, violence targeted at police and other criminality.
According to the outlet, one of the groups linked to the protests that occurred leading up to the violent riots is the Party for Socialism and Liberation, PSL.
aaron reitz
It's also pumpkin spice latte.
phil labonte
Yeah, which is a Marxist group that has reported ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
PSL has also been connected to many Gaza encampments on college campuses.
around the world.
That's something that's worth at least mentioning.
Again, these right Correct.
You know, the issue is not the issue.
The issue is the revolution.
That's why they tie Gaza in with illegal immigration to the U.S. You mean these aren't guys who got upset one day in Compton and decided to put down a video game in the blunt and just go out there?
charlie leduff
You're telling me this is coordinated?
phil labonte
Yes, sir.
charlie leduff
That these guys could be getting paid?
phil labonte
I am telling you that, sir.
Yes, sir.
The Party for Socialism and Liberation, I think we were talking about this earlier today.
charlie leduff
We were?
phil labonte
Yeah, and I forget the guy's name that you'd mentioned.
charlie leduff
Roy Singham.
phil labonte
What was it, please?
charlie leduff
Roy Singham, an American billionaire, tech billionaire, now lives in China with his wife, who heads...
You remember that one?
So he's a devout Maoist, right?
I don't know how a billionaire is a Maoist, but yet he is.
And money flows, as I understand it, and talked to a few people in D.C. It flows to the party of socialism and liberalism.
Liberation.
Yeah.
aaron reitz
DSL.
charlie leduff
And they go to the Coalition for the Humane Immigration Rights in LA, CHURLA, which is also being funded by the SIEU union going to CHURLA.
So these are union dues.
phil labonte
Yeah.
charlie leduff
A rich guy living in China, funding groups coming into LA.
phil labonte
That are paying for people to riot in Los Angeles in the name of both Gaza and Israel.
illegal immigration.
aaron reitz
These are, to both y'all's points, it's worth emphasizing, these are highly coordinated, highly sophisticated money laundering schemes where you have- That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yes.
aaron reitz
No, I mean, and you're on to something, right?
My only point was maybe more of just like a legal nerd point, which is just like it's difficult to get those cards to stick, right?
But it's – Like, of course there are dark money groups and Soros-affiliated groups, and there's 15 of them with 10 different names.
Some of them have, like, you know, they wear their ideology in their name.
Other organizations are more innocuously named, so you wouldn't expect that, you know, the Foundation for a Just America—I'm making that up.
I don't know what that is.
unidentified
But a Foundation for Justice is actually a front group for, like, militant— And then our eyes get wide open when you're finding like there's a trail to USAID and like you're funding it.
aaron reitz
Totally right.
And by the way, it's been going on for decades and conservatives have sort of just contented themselves to Mary's point to just like arrest three criminals.
We got three of them, boys.
Mission accomplished.
High fives all around.
Meanwhile, the billionaire leftists, Marxists, insurrectionists are like, that's fine.
Three of our soldiers are down.
I've got thousands and thousands.
I've got ant colonies.
charlie leduff
The smokeless war.
aaron reitz
No, that's exactly right.
This is – and I want to – we already – I made this point, but again, I'll say it again.
This is exactly why you need an attorney general in the state of Texas who understands the nature of the problem.
charlie leduff
What's the website again?
aaron reitz
The website is – thank you very much for mentioning that.
It's AaronWrites.com, A-A-R-O-N-R-E-I-T-Z.com.
charlie leduff
If I could get in there, Enjoyer.com or NoBSNewsHour.com.
aaron reitz
Those are great – yes, those are great.coms as well.
And so – You've got to have an AG in Texas presiding over the largest Republican law firm in the country who understands the nature of the threat, who reads headlines like what we've looked at and is unsurprised by it.
charlie leduff
Let me throw this in while you're doing it because, you know, watch out Texas because California is moving there, right?
aaron reitz
Yeah, look.
charlie leduff
The Party for Socialism and Liberation also had dealings in the Columbia campus.
unidentified
Yeah, Columbia University.
charlie leduff
The guy that shot the two Jewish people in front of the embassy in D.C.?
PLA.
So you can see this thing's kind of getting all over the country.
We're not even aware of it.
aaron reitz
Well, Phil made this point earlier.
There is a sort of global communist revolutionary spirit that transcends.
It doesn't matter whether you're a privileged white person going to Colombia or whether you're an impoverished terrorist sympathizer.
It doesn't matter what it is or you're a BLM type.
They have this shared narrative of a global revolution that in their mind of progress, they want to destroy, destroy, destroy.
Tear down the institutions of the West.
Tear down American institutions so that out of those ashes they can create their vision of the future.
charlie leduff
When the BLM young people were coming by in Detroit in 2020, I know them.
You know, they know me.
And it's cool.
It's friendly.
And they were talking Marxist stuff.
And I said, young man, Marxism is the greatest critique.
Of capitalism, there is.
It's quite good.
The problem is the solution always ends up with people in the trains to the gulag.
You don't know what you're advocating for.
So I would submit to this table and the listeners, our system is an excellent one.
The problem is it's been co-opted by a corrupt culture and corrupt people.
There's no better system.
I'm here to keep it.
We just need better people.
And do not fuck with my shit.
Because you will find out.
phil labonte
That's something that most Americans generally agree.
charlie leduff
100%, dude.
phil labonte
Let's see.
We're getting some more information.
We have a post from Vicegrad24 reporting initial reports of Iran launching ballistic missiles towards Israel.
We've also got a second tweet from them.
Reports of explosions at the airport in Baghdad where U.S. forces are stationed.
It's possible that the Iranian proxy groups in Iraq launch Khatib Ibn Hezbollah are attacking U.S. forces.
I'm sure I butchered that name.
There was one other thing.
There we go.
This is from the Secretary of State for immediate release.
Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran.
We are not involved in strikes against Iran, and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region.
Israel advised us that they believe this action was necessary for its self-defense.
President Trump and the administration have taken all necessary steps to protect our forces and remain in close contact with our regional partners.
Let me be clear.
Iran should not target U.S. interests or personnel, which would be great.
mary morgan
Or else what?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, honestly, if they kill Americans, then Americans generally change their opinion about whether Americans should be involved in something, because whether or not the United States is actually launching any kind of attacks on Iran, if Iran attacks the U.S. We already moved our people.
charlie leduff
We did kind of probably know a little something.
We moved people out of the region.
phil labonte
We definitely did.
President Trump was talking to us.
It was something along the lines of, well, you know, I'm not supposed to know and I'm not supposed to say, but yeah, you know, it's going to happen.
charlie leduff
Got him out of Erbil, got him out of Baghdad.
serge du preez
Especially by the whole, like, all the pizza.
The pizza orders at the Pentagon yesterday, too.
We were tracking that on the show, and we weren't sure if it was going to happen.
mary morgan
The orders of pizza in D.C.?
Late at night?
phil labonte
Not just in D.C., but there's actually a Domino's in the Pentagon.
serge du preez
Right.
phil labonte
So when that one gets busy...
Yeah, there is a Domino's pizza inside the Pentagon.
charlie leduff
And you guys can track it?
serge du preez
Yep, it's an index.
unidentified
It's like Pentagon Pizza?
phil labonte
Yeah, it's just whatever the address is.
I forget what the address is, but there's Domino's Pizza.
And you can actually, just like on Google or on Yelp or whatever it says, it's surprisingly busy or uncharacteristically busy.
When it goes through the roof, you're like, whoa!
They're literally there.
Everyone's staying at the Pentagon and ordering pizza because the U.S. is doing something.
Overseas.
charlie leduff
You low-level deep state motherfucker.
phil labonte
It is not me that's doing this.
charlie leduff
That's a great detective tool.
I never knew it.
That's interesting.
mary morgan
So they're saying we are not involved in these strikes, but you're suspecting they did know about it beforehand.
phil labonte
Well, yes.
I think the U.S. and Israel generally share information when it is beneficial to both of them.
So I don't think that the U.S. and Israel share.
But I think that if it's beneficial for the U.S. to know something, if it's beneficial to Israel for the U.S. to know something, then they're going to tell the U.S. And I think it's definitely beneficial for the United States to know that they were going to attack, considering we were talking about talking with Iran on Sunday, I think it was.
What is this?
Is this in English or are we going to listen to?
effie defrin
Over the past few months, intelligence has shown that Iran is closer than ever to obtaining a nuclear weapon.
This morning, the IDF began preemptive and precise strikes targeting the Iranian nuclear program in order to prevent the Iranian regime's ability.
We have no choice.
We are operating against an imminent and existential threat.
We cannot allow the Iranian regime to obtain a nuclear weapon that would be a danger to Israel and the entire world.
This operation is for our right to exist here, for our future and for our children's future.
The State of Israel has the right and the obligation to operate in order to protect its people and will continue to do so.
The IDF conducted significant preparations for this operation.
We are well prepared, both in defense and offense, to defend ourselves.
The IDF will continue to defend the State of Israel.
mary morgan
So are we to believe that these strikes were against the homes of Iranian officials or their nuclear program?
charlie leduff
Exactly what I was thinking.
phil labonte
I don't know that we can actually have a reliable sense of what the targets were.
serge du preez
Yeah, we have nothing confirmed yet.
charlie leduff
I'm going to sit like before.
I'm going to let the night play out.
You know, to the media for a second.
I need somebody in some place where it's reliable.
And I just, it's just been missing for years now, you know?
serge du preez
Hey man, we're trying.
charlie leduff
No, I mean, building the new media.
unidentified
So if you had a budget, I'm sure you could find 30 ex-Marines that'll go over there and be reporters for you.
charlie leduff
You know what I mean?
mary morgan
I'm with Milo.
I'm okay with it.
I'm ready to be with Jesus.
That's kind of where I'm at now.
phil labonte
That's how Milo feels.
Let's see, what else do we got here?
If there's anything new?
charlie leduff
I got to see Ed Krasenstein.
phil labonte
Let's see what Ed Krasenstein.
charlie leduff
I got it, dude.
phil labonte
Crass and Steen.
What are you...
unidentified
It's like Twitter forces on mine.
charlie leduff
I just want to see what smugness he's got for me tonight.
Whose fault is it, Ed?
mary morgan
He said, no new war is under Trump, right?
I mean, that's how I feel.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, technically like Well, yeah, the U.S. isn't involved in this yet.
Hopefully not at all.
charlie leduff
Ed would love it.
phil labonte
Of course he would.
unidentified
Ed would love it.
phil labonte
He'd love it.
charlie leduff
Give me grist and fodder.
phil labonte
Obviously, we're going to keep monitoring the situation in the Middle East.
But we're going to go to this story where Tim Pool actually was tweeting something that Donald Trump had said.
And it came as a bit of a surprise.
peter doocy
What made you change your mind about targeting in California farmers and people in the hotel and leisure business?
donald j trump
Well, we're not targeting.
In fact, if you look today, I put out a statement today about farmers.
Our farmers are being hurt badly by, you know, they have very good workers.
They've worked for them for 20 years.
They're not citizens, but they've turned out to be, you know, great.
And we're going to have to do something about that.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have, maybe not.
And you know what's going to happen and what is happening?
They get rid of some of the people because, you know, you go into a farm and you look and people don't – they've been there for 20, 25 years and they've worked great and the owner of the farm loves them and everything else.
And you know what happens?
They end up hiring the people, the criminals that have come in, the murderers from prisons and everything else.
So we're going to have an order on that pretty soon, I think.
We can't do that to our farmers.
And leisure, too.
Hotels.
We're going to have to use a lot of common sense on that.
phil labonte
What are you talking about, Don?
mary morgan
This is outrageous.
phil labonte
So that was at 4pm.
Sorry, that was 4 p.m. today.
And then at 6.45, Donald Trump truthed.
I don't have a link to it.
Actually, maybe I can find a link to it.
mary morgan
Jack Posobiec also added, the murderer of Molly Tibbetts was a Mexican illegal who worked on a dairy farm in Iowa.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, that is true.
mary morgan
He was just looking for honest work.
phil labonte
Let's see.
So here's the actual tweet from Donald Trump, or the truth from Donald Trump, the follow-up to that statement at the press conference.
The Biden administration and Governor Gavin Newsom flooded America with 21 million illegal aliens, destroying schools, hospitals, and communities, and consuming untold billions of dollars in free welfare.
All of them have to go home, as do countless other illegals and criminals who will turn us into a bankrupt third world nation.
I'm reversing the invasion.
It's called Re-Immigration.
Our courageous ICE officers who are daily being subject to doxing and murder threats are heroes.
We will always have their back as they carry out this noble mission.
America will be for America.
So that seems to be walking back the idea of keeping the farm workers that his friends that own farms rely on.
aaron reitz
I think people are straining to see something that's not here.
This articulation in this Truth Social post that we're reading right now is consistent with what President Trump has said from the very beginning and is consistent with the policies that he's enacted since he got sworn in.
on January 20th.
charlie leduff
Dude, you make sense.
aaron reitz
I think that what he was sort of riffing with, with the Fox News reporter, I don't view that in any way as like a firm articulation of a policy position.
I don't view it as like we're staking out a new thing.
I think that he is channeling what I imagine are some concerns that have been articulated to him.
But I don't see this as a policy pronouncement in any way, shape or form.
I think that the truth social post that came two and a half hours afterwards was not so much a walking back but just a rearticulation of what has – But the true social post was consistent with what he's been doing from the beginning.
So it just doesn't bother.
I mean, I don't like...
mary morgan
Then why did he say that?
unidentified
This...
aaron reitz
You're talking about the four o 'clock clip?
mary morgan
Yeah, we're going to need to use common sense about that.
aaron reitz
I think he's thinking and processing out loud.
mary morgan
Eric is giving me a whiplash.
charlie leduff
Been out in it.
This, what he says is, all of you that just came in here, this last wave, you're gone.
You're not going to be amnesty.
And if you came in the first wave and you're a punk and a creep and you make a big, you you're gone.
What he said today is, For instance, David, que tal?
Es Carlito, bro.
There's a dude.
I worked in the canneries, slaughterhouses, the grape orchards.
There are people who have been here for 20 years working, can't go home, can't go to funerals.
They got kids that are doctors.
David is a good neighbor.
He works.
They're not paying enough for you to go.
Work for $9 an hour in the California sun, picking grapes gently so you don't bruise them.
David's been doing it.
In 2013, there was the immigration reform bill.
They came up with a concept called a blue card, not a green card, a blue card, which means you work ag.
You don't get to vote.
You have some access to government programs, right?
You can move internationally, go to the funeral.
They're upstanding people in our country.
They've been here forever, built lives.
We're not running them out.
And if you think we're running them out, we will go broke because working in a slaughterhouse, they're not paying anymore.
They're not paying in the canneries anymore because that's all been broken.
So in the short term, if you gathered everybody up, you're never going to eat.
aaron reitz
Well, they used to do the jobs for, like, higher livable wages.
charlie leduff
I'll give you an example.
unidentified
Illegal immigration on scale is what has caused these jobs that you would otherwise be able to live off of to now be like sub- Adjusted for inflation because we all now know what inflation is.
charlie leduff
That's $32 an hour.
And they got benefits, like a pension, right?
What do they pay in the Hormel plants today?
aaron reitz
Dirt, probably.
charlie leduff
Dirt?
18?
16?
unidentified
15?
charlie leduff
In fact, they're replacing the illegals with the new illegals.
aaron reitz
Right.
unidentified
So they can cut the wage.
That's what's going on.
It's a longer-term problem.
aaron reitz
My view of this is, I mean, you know, Mary asked the question, like, what does he mean by common sense?
I just don't read a lot into what he's saying in this clip, genuinely.
And maybe I'm being, like, completely naive.
Typically, I don't like to think that I'm naive, but I'm hearing the president riff casually with a reporter that he knows extremely well and is sort of just thinking out loud.
charlie leduff
And I hear policy.
By the way, I hear policy.
aaron reitz
I don't, because if you hear policy, then what...
I don't know if that's true.
unidentified
Okay.
charlie leduff
He never said everybody got to go.
aaron reitz
I don't think that's true.
charlie leduff
What I read in the second clip was all of you that came the second time under bogus circumstances, you're out.
And if you came that first time, because we got a lot of those.
aaron reitz
What's the second time?
charlie leduff
The second time would be the Biden era.
The first time would be when NAFTA got signed, the peso collapsed, and everybody came in about 1998, 99, 2000, 2001, 2002.
When you started hearing on the telephone, if you want English, press number one.
Para Espanol, marque numero dos.
unidentified
About that time.
aaron reitz
Yeah, this is when the great Pat Buchanan was putting out great ads.
charlie leduff
And don't forget, dude, when NAFTA got signed, then WTO got signed, normalization of trade with China got signed, Detroit got crossed, our jobs went overseas, and what came in for the rest of the jobs?
Cheap labor.
So you can't turn that around with a few immigration sweeps.
You just can't.
unidentified
I think he's making sense to me.
aaron reitz
It's a real world.
I don't think so.
Look, I think that there was a...
unidentified
Correct.
aaron reitz
And what President Trump represents is a rejection of that.
And it's not just him, but it's now supermajorities of American voters who reject that.
We've seen the fruits of it.
And it has been, in my opinion, terrible for America, both economically and culturally.
And so I celebrate the...
build the border wall, protect our communities, end human and drug trafficking.
phil labonte
All right.
unidentified
That was a great pivot, man.
phil labonte
So we're going to jump to this story here from Mediaite.
Trump cancels work permits for over half a million migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
charlie leduff
That's how you do.
phil labonte
That, to me, sounds like a good idea.
charlie leduff
That was a bogus plan by Biden.
phil labonte
The Department of Homeland Security revoked work and resident permits for hundreds of thousands of migrants on Thursday, according to a CNN report.
A notice sent by email to Cuban, Haitian, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan nationals demands that migrants vacate the country immediately, stating that failure to do so may result in involuntary detention.
This notice informs you that your parole is now terminated.
A copy of the notice obtained by CNN reads, If you do not leave, you may be subject to enforcement actions, including but not limited to detention and removal, without an opportunity to make personal arrangements and return to your country in an orderly manner.
The termination of the Biden era parole program that granted legal working status to an estimated 530,000 migrants from these four countries has long been a goal of the Trump administration.
President Donald Trump signed an executive order to end the program on his first day in office, one of many steps taken to achieve the president's campaign promise of mass deportation.
I mean, look, 500,000 is a nice start.
Dude.
charlie leduff
Again, if we go back to what, you know, we were just going back and forth about it.
This era.
This Biden disaster.
Disaster, right?
We agree here?
aaron reitz
Yeah, we agree.
charlie leduff
Okay.
So they got to fly in.
They got to make reservations.
And part of that application was you get to work immediately.
And then you get temporary protective status and all of this.
100%, you're gone.
Done.
Revoked.
Get out.
Half mil.
unidentified
Okay.
Half mil's a huge move.
charlie leduff
That's tremendous.
Just going back again.
Before this disaster, and we could kind of put up with it, and we were getting our shit together, and let's put up a wall and come in the right way, we still had David out there picking the grass.
Right?
unidentified
But I see...
charlie leduff
And keeping his word because he didn't say, man, if you work on a grape farm and you've been here since 1999, you're out!
aaron reitz
Yeah, look, I mean, to the extent, like, I don't think it's inconsistent to say that getting these 500,000 out is a top priority, whereas getting out, to use your phrase, like the grape pickers who moved to Central California in 98 is not.
the priority.
Now, it is my opinion that the grape picker who's still here breaking the law every single day should go, but we can have a prudential conversation.
What's the number one priority right now?
I think this is the right move.
Look, this is interesting.
When I was a deputy at the Texas Attorney General's office several years ago, during the Biden era, actually, this decision by the Biden administration is something that myself and Attorney General Paxton sued on.
And there was this whole theme of cases where the Biden administration would issue blanket what's called parole.
So parole is a legal immigration concept that is supposed to be used on a case-by-case basis.
So you've got immigration authorities who, in extraordinary circumstances, can issue sort of what's called parole.
It's like, look, this is outside the norm, but there's exigent circumstances.
Yes, you can come over here, but you need to stay in the cell.
You're getting to connect yourself with family.
And so parole, think of parole as something that has always historically been used as a What Biden then did is he just blanket paroled tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands all at once, which eviscerated the legal concept of parole.
What it was was it just – it turned parole and amnesty, which are supposed to be very rare, one-to-one type things, into just amnesty, right?
unidentified
And so what happened here – yeah.
aaron reitz
So we actually sued – It was a lie.
It's a total lie.
unidentified
And they knew exactly what they were doing.
charlie leduff
If I could give the dumb guy version, you know, dude, you should call me up.
I'll give you some free advice on the can.
Here's the dumb guy version of parole.
When you claim amnesty, you walk in this country, amnesty, right?
We've signed international courts.
Okay, amnesty, asylum, you need asylum.
Here's what happens to you.
You get locked up.
unidentified
You are sitting in a cell.
charlie leduff
A nice cell, an American cell.
Some of the best cells, great cells, terrific cells.
I know builders.
You're supposed to sit in a cell until you see the immigration judge.
Usually took, on average, 35 days.
unidentified
You got parole so you could leave to go get your heart fixed.
charlie leduff
Or your blood pressure drop.
unidentified
You get to leave the cell and go to the hospital and then you gotta come back.
aaron reitz
That's right.
charlie leduff
That's what parole was.
unidentified
But Biden went like this.
charlie leduff
Come on in.
There's no jail cell for you.
Parole.
unidentified
We'll get to you in eight years.
aaron reitz
You can think of these concepts even in like a law enforcement, right?
where like, you know, I'm on parole, right?
Right, like a, a, a, a, Those terms are very customized.
They are personalized.
They are individualized.
They apply only to that person.
It's made on a case-by-case basis in coordination with the judge, a parole officer, the police department, and the prosecution.
charlie leduff
And it's not like parole getting out of the state pen.
aaron reitz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
charlie leduff
Right?
unidentified
It's not that kind.
aaron reitz
We litigated stuff like this.
Thank God President Trump wins in 2024.
And all he's doing is just unraveling something that was manifestly illegal in the first place.
And so this is good.
This is something to be happy about.
This is good.
We see the leftist pro-illegal alien groups sort of weeping and gnashing their teeth over it.
That's also sometimes an indication of whether something good is happening.
But you look at the legal arguments that these groups made in court.
And it again reveals the true nature of the liberal left and what they believe about this country, what they believe about the rule of law.
And gosh, to see the left, the well-funded sort of legal nonprofit space work in coordination with democratically appointed judges in blue jurisdictions with blue juries and blue communities.
they are stopping at nothing.
The litigation that these blue states and pro-illegal alien groups waged against Trump for doing something manifestly within the discretion of the president of the United States is just yet another reflection of the left's willingness to throw all principle out So trust me as the – you're a conservative.
unidentified
Right?
Yes.
charlie leduff
And you don't like the left.
So don't trust me, but consider me as a reasonable centrist.
aaron reitz
Okay.
charlie leduff
That there's a pathway forward.
That we can have a normalized country where people are working and providing things for each other.
That we don't have to have this shit.
But if we could magically get them all out tomorrow, you wouldn't eat.
And not all immigrants are picking grapes.
Let's get that straight, too.
aaron reitz
Nothing but grapes.
unidentified
Grapes everywhere.
charlie leduff
So much has been reconfigured in 30 years that you just can't get it done in a minute.
I actually thought Trump was speaking reasonably.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you don't have to hate me for it.
unidentified
Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't hate you.
phil labonte
No, I mean, I actually don't feel like there's any animosity to it.
for anyone sitting around the table.
No.
But I do think that, look, if...
Because they kind of take it for granted that you're not actually going to get rid of 21 million people.
Right?
Like, if you could get rid of...
I think there's a lot of people out there that were like, look, we're not...
If you made them an offer and said, look, we're not getting 21 million.
Right?
I think there's a lot of people that would feel like that's a victory.
Personally, I don't think that there should be...
I do understand the argument, oh, they've been here for 20 years and they've set up a life and etc.
And I do think that that's a different context than people that have been here for three, four, five years.
But at the same time, I don't think that there's any reason to say, oh, well...
You've been here for a long time.
So because you've been here for a long time, we're not going to do anything.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
aaron reitz
That's not like a principled, like consistently enforceable standard.
Like we've been here a long time, exception to deportation.
I don't – I can understand where we would make certain prudential considerations based upon feasibility, logistics, unintended second and third order of effects.
But these are like prudential considerations.
But on the principle by which I distinguish prudence from principle, on the principle discussion, every single one of the 21 plus million people who are here illegally are in fact here illegally and are therefore under our duly enacted immigration laws subject to deportation.
unidentified
No argument for me.
aaron reitz
I think that your framing earlier was correct about like, well, you know, if we can't get all 21, let's just accept six.
unidentified
And yeah, six is better than zero, right?
aaron reitz
But I don't accept the premise that we should immediately begin from a position of negotiating against ourselves or like erecting a – and I'm not saying you're suggesting it, right?
But I acknowledge that weaker conservatives, Republicans with less willpower, are willing to begin the public policy discussion by just conceding that, well, 21 million, we can't do that.
So, therefore, we have to content ourselves with, like, a pittance.
charlie leduff
I don't see that.
Because you're already seeing ICE at work.
unidentified
I mean, the first...
I know, but here, man, I'm jumping in.
charlie leduff
The first stroke was, all right, we're going to start deportation.
going to get these guys.
Now you just saw all the Border Patrol app people That's the next move.
You got to start talking about how you're going to reach a path of normalization.
Let me look into your background.
You paid taxes.
You broke the law.
You've been duly employed.
Okay.
You know?
aaron reitz
Yeah, look, I get that.
unidentified
There's no purity here, man.
charlie leduff
And I'm tired of this one here, too.
No one is illegal.
Okay.
Yeah, but the shit people do is illegal.
phil labonte
We'll get to that in just a minute.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
charlie leduff
Let's get our immigration system together so this doesn't happen anymore?
We can agree on that.
aaron reitz
Yeah, of course.
I mean, that's forward-looking.
phil labonte
I mean, no, we can't, right?
So we can talk like we can agree, but the issues that we're having right now or that we've been experiencing, No Americans wanted a total open border.
No Americans wanted to ship in 20 million illegal immigrants, especially when the reason to ship them in was to bolster the numbers in places like California, where there have been a mass exodus of population.
And they're looking to have these people in the census in 2030.
So that way that...
So that's all dependent on the census.
And this is a two-pronged attack on the existing Americans' voting power.
You know, if you can dilute the American people's voting power by changing the makeup of states and getting more congressional seats, California has 55 or something like that, congressional seats, because there's 36 million people in California or something like that.
And if they can get in an additional five or so million because of this, that could mean, you know, an additional two.
I don't know how many it is.
But the point is...
This isn't a situation where it's through no fault of anyone at all.
This is an active plan that the Democrats have been instituting between this particular issue and also things like the Refugee Resettlement Program and the NGOs that were financing people's trips.
This is totally because of Democrats.
charlie leduff
You're saying we can't even get the immigration system in order going forward because of this Yeah.
Divide, right?
I totally agree with that.
And then I submit to you, if we can't even get the rules applied all the time, how are we going to get everybody out?
aaron reitz
Well, okay.
So we're mixing two separate conversations, and I think it's causing a lack of clarity.
There is the practical conversation about what can or cannot be done.
Then there is the sort of more principled or ideological conversation about the nature of illegal immigration and the degree to which you enforce borders and so on and so forth.
And I'm trying to treat these things separately.
On the one hand, I start from the principle that if 21 million aliens are here illegally, every single last one of them should be deported.
That is just staturopathetic.
Then there's a separate conversation, which is, well, where do we start?
From what states?
What are the methods?
Is it feasible or desirable to get all 21 million?
Those are separate policy-level conversations, and I'm just trying to detach this.
charlie leduff
We're all there.
aaron reitz
Yeah.
charlie leduff
Okay, so I would say that's great.
You start in the classroom.
I start from the streets and read the books at night when I go to bed.
So I'm talking about the reality.
aaron reitz
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm just telling you that's the street, dude.
I have litigated immigration cases for several years.
I have worked with Senator Cruz on passing border security legislation.
charlie leduff
You gave us your resume.
aaron reitz
And I was nominated to the Justice Department in part to work on a federal immigration law and have partnered with Tom Homan and Kash Patel and Attorney General Bondi on working all these things.
charlie leduff
I covered the border for 10 years.
I worked in the world's biggest slaughterhouse.
I worked in the world's biggest cannery.
We're trying to share here and get someplace.
Oh, by the way, Mary brought it up.
Mary brought it up.
Mary.
In 2005, the Pew Foundation said there were 11 million illegal immigrants living in America.
At the end of 2023, their latest study, after all the Biden stuff, there were 11 million illegal immigrants.
So there was not...
aaron reitz
Yeah, so I'll finish my point that I was making earlier, which was what we have seen since President Trump was inaugurated on January 20th was a concerted, national, extremely well-funded lawfare campaign to thwart.
Even just the beginnings of deportation operations, right?
Like, we've deported, I think at this rate, like 175,000 people.
Maybe we're at 200 by now, somewhere in that zone, right?
And we're just now getting started, and it has been a monumental task to even just begin scratching the surface.
I'm arguing that 20-plus million illegal aliens ought to and do in fact under our United States laws deserve to be deported.
But to a point that was made earlier, I think you made this point, which was like we can't even agree on the rules moving forward to deport them because look at how difficult it is just to get 0.01% of them out of here.
So it's tough.
It's tough, but it takes political will to see it through.
charlie leduff
And there are brains in the Trump administration because...
unidentified
Okay.
charlie leduff
They expected all that.
All the theater of judge shopping and national injunctions, they were expecting it.
As it was explained to me, here comes the rollout now.
What you're seeing now is the rollout.
phil labonte
All right, well, we're going to go ahead and jump to Super Chats.
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You can call in and talk to our guests, talk to the panel.
But we're going to start with Shane H. Wilder here says, With the last plane crash, it's Trump's fault.
Crowd are at it again.
I did the research, and the month-to-month numbers from the FAA are lower than they were in the middle of COVID 2020, which is great, but I don't think...
Are people blaming Trump for the...
serge du preez
Maybe not India.
phil labonte
Oh.
serge du preez
But everywhere.
phil labonte
Everywhere else.
All right.
Fair enough.
You know that's going to happen.
unidentified
Sounds good.
phil labonte
Let's see.
Weary Traveler says, I had a whole message prepared for Tim about giving him yet another Fell For It Again award, but that Shabos Goy is too embarrassed to show his face now that his fellow Shabos Goy backtracked on everything.
Amazing.
I'm not sure...
Uh, Weary Traveler is frequently in the PCC chat and far calmer usually, but apparently this evening Weary Traveler is worked up.
charlie leduff
What does Shabbos mean?
phil labonte
I'm not sure, I think it means like.
charlie leduff
My brother, his neighbor, will come over and say, can you turn my lights on?
phil labonte
That's a Shabbos Goy.
charlie leduff
Frankie, you're a Shabbos Goy, bro.
Congratulations.
phil labonte
Most of Stalin69 says, can you guys see my rumble rants?
We can.
I'm not sure that...
I'm not sure.
Tonight's going to be a rough night for the rants and the super chats.
Let's see.
Jeremy B. said, if I rushed to the podium of the DHS secretary, they would have thrown me under the jail.
Yeah, look, it's standard procedure to protect...
So they would definitely have thrown you under the jail, just like any other normal person.
And to be honest with you, the senator was treated pretty gently.
aaron reitz
I think that was SOP response to somebody trying to barge into a press conference by a secretary.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't feel like he—you don't feel like it was a big deal, do you?
charlie leduff
I think it was the right thing, man.
phil labonte
The right thing to do, yeah.
charlie leduff
But, you know, he should go to jail and then be let out of his own for the cognizance.
phil labonte
It'd be better to actually Let's see.
Justin Spengler says, I did executive production in the Navy.
We would have treated the situation the exact same.
I have no idea who this crazy man screaming is.
be gone thought, which I mean, yeah, like...
It doesn't matter that you're a senator.
Especially seeing as he is the junior senator from California, right?
So he's not very well known.
charlie leduff
Isn't he the ranking senator?
phil labonte
I think he was the junior senator.
charlie leduff
Who's the other senator?
aaron reitz
They're both very new.
phil labonte
He just got elected to the Senate.
charlie leduff
And Padilla got Barbara...
Dianne Feinstein, see?
phil labonte
Yeah.
charlie leduff
I think he's the senior senator from California.
phil labonte
That's hilarious.
charlie leduff
That is bizarre.
Wow.
phil labonte
Is he actually the senior senator?
aaron reitz
Yeah, Padilla is the senior senator.
phil labonte
Wow.
All right.
unidentified
Because he succeeded Feinstein in 23, and then Schiff got elected in 24. They're both new.
I mean, they're both really new.
phil labonte
They're both very new.
charlie leduff
Both very diplomatic, would you not agree?
phil labonte
Let's see here.
Trucking Pat says, while we have an aspiring, we need a state to sue California for allowing illegals to count on the census and to vote in elections.
serge du preez
Yeah, thanks, Reagan.
phil labonte
What was that?
serge du preez
Thanks, Reagan.
phil labonte
Yeah, I would actually really like to see some kind of challenge, but I don't foresee that coming anytime soon.
And to be honest with you, I'm not even sure that the Supreme Court would take it.
aaron reitz
Well, it depends on who the next Texas Attorney General is.
And if you want to learn more about whether I'd be able to do something like that, go to AaronWrites.com.
phil labonte
Perfect.
Plastic Cup Politics says, Mr. LaDuff, I'll be attending the Kilmar Garcia arraignment protest tomorrow in Nashville.
Any last-minute words of advice for a 20-year military veteran covering the event protest?
charlie leduff
Yeah, my brother, thank you for doing it.
Go there.
Show them how we Americans do it.
Keep it peaceful, keep smart, and keep your chin up, man.
And thanks for taking the time.
aaron reitz
Wait, so what is he's going to...
the arrangement or support the arrangement?
phil labonte
No, no, I think he's just going to cover it and then he expects to Yeah.
charlie leduff
Is it a reporter?
phil labonte
Yeah, he's a reporter.
charlie leduff
Oh, okay.
serge du preez
He's covering the protest.
charlie leduff
Oh, bro.
Just soak it up and write the truth.
phil labonte
There you go.
unidentified
talk to everybody That's the truth.
charlie leduff
When you hit the streets, you pick and choose.
Because, oh, that person will talk to me, or that one looks too rough.
Try to get a wide swath, and try to get a seat in the courtroom.
phil labonte
There you go.
Good stuff.
All right, let's see.
Evol 2022 says...
We need more ICE agents, and I think the National Guard could be trained to help with that.
Personally, I don't think it's a great idea.
I think that the DHS and ICE actually do have sufficient bodies to wrap people up.
And I don't think that the National Guard is actually well trained for that particular mission.
I do think the National Guard, it's fine for the National Guard to be security for these guys that are doing the job.
But the actual policing of civilian areas in the United States, that's got to be the actual policing.
aaron reitz
I have maybe a slightly different take on that.
So one of the features of the big, beautiful bill that the president is trying to get through Congress is an injection of new and big funding for immigration enforcement, ICE, DHS and so forth because those entities have communicated to the Congress that they are not adequately staffed to take care of the mass deportation campaign that we need to express.
And then the second thing is, I think you're right that the National Guard or sort of the DOD space more generally is not necessarily – That's not their purpose.
However, as we've seen with the president's mobilization of the National Guard and then the activation of the Marines is that they can, in fact, provide very helpful sort of – the right word is maybe not gap-filling, but there are – Areas in the secondary level,
whether it's logistics or support or area security or property protection, that the National Guard is really good at doing, which then frees ICE agents and other immigration enforcement officials to carry out their mission.
And so just me personally, you know, there are nuances here on how you do something like that.
But I would like to see what that particular poster suggested.
charlie leduff
This is what I hear, and this is again coming from the Bordazar, ICE, etc.
The big, beautiful bill is going to have about $170 billion for immigration enforcement, which includes massive detainment facilities, probably in the Midwest, Kansas, something like that.
Until those get built.
Air National Guard bases, etc., may be and are considering to be used as detention facilities.
So, you might have National Guard being detention guards.
All remains to be, it's up in the air now until that bill passes.
phil labonte
All right.
Europa Chronicle says, Aaron, can you speak to Texas investigation into ActBlue's foreign money laundering into Democrat campaigns and NGOs?
aaron reitz
Yeah, I mean, look, ActBlue is absolutely something that has been hijacked by foreign money influences.
And then ActBlue, for the listeners that don't know, is sort of the vehicle by which Democratic candidates receive money.
And it is illegal in the United States for either foreign individuals or foreign entities to give money.
To American elections, right?
It's part of the category of election interference.
Frankly, it's foreign election interference.
But because ActBlue is so flush with...
And so what you've seen now in light of that is during the Biden era, of course, the Biden Justice Department did nothing to put a stop to that.
So it became incumbent upon red state AGs to open up investigations.
Those investigations are ongoing.
They are revealing highly disturbing trends, which – and I don't know.
if there's any active litigation yet, but you have to build the facts and build the case before you bring it.
And now the state AGs have a partner in Trump's And so to this poster's question, I can tell you it's ongoing.
I can tell you that it is a huge problem.
I can tell you that it is the benefit of foreign money is something that goes almost uniformly, unilaterally to the Democratic Party and to the left.
And what you need, especially in an AG's office like Texas, which is the largest Republican and conservative law firm in the country, is you need an AG who understands the nature of that.
And that, again, is why I'm running for Texas Attorney General to succeed Ken Paxson to continue pressing in on that stuff.
serge du preez
Chat, by the way, we did cover Israel-Iran war, just so you guys know, in an earlier part of the show.
We don't have any more information about it.
It's all coming out right now.
It's a very fluid situation, but we'll talk about it again when we know more.
Thanks, y 'all.
phil labonte
Let's see.
serge du preez
You can read that one if you want.
I'll respond to that.
phil labonte
Which one?
serge du preez
The one just above this right here.
phil labonte
Go ahead.
serge du preez
Oh, I thought...
phil labonte
I'm not sure which one you're...
serge du preez
No worries.
phil labonte
Eric Shaver one?
Yeah.
Eric Shaver says, Serge looks like he's been hanging out with the creeps, loitering in front of the booths behind the truck stop.
Are you a lot lizard, Serge?
serge du preez
No, I think that's what he's trying to call me, is a lot lizard.
Anyways, call your mom, man.
She misses you.
aaron reitz
Yikes.
phil labonte
Let's see here.
Yakualinda?
Yakualindia?
The Biden-era invasion and the subsequent anti-ice riots have set back overall legal migration.
back further than all the progress we made up to 2020.
charlie leduff
Speak the truth.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, the American people generally had a positive opinion of legal immigration up until...
aaron reitz
Yeah, total immigration moratorium is now kind of the standard.
phil labonte
There was a long time where you could, where that, if you presented that idea, people would, you know, would gasp, you know, the idea that you would turn off immigration for any amount of time.
And now you can, you know, there are people that are like, hey, 20 years, shut it down.
charlie leduff
Shut it down.
I say there's things to think about, but I don't argue.
You know what I mean?
I know why you're feeling that way.
aaron reitz
I'm extremely sympathetic with that position.
charlie leduff
And here we are sitting.
phil labonte
Here we are sitting.
Alright, let's see.
Some more Super Chats here.
The Glower Deluxe says Trump is allowing illegal workers to stay.
He approved 100K plus H-1B visas in 2026 while our tech sector is being gutted and Palantir is being used as the new Patriot Act.
None of this is America first.
I do agree with you.
I do think that the Palantir issue is a different issue.
Not that it's good or okay, but I think the Palantir issue is significantly different to the H-1B visa issue.
And it's also pretty different from the overall immigration question.
But I do understand these three different issues that you bring up or things that you're talking about.
They're all things that...
That's not the kind of thing that Trump wants.
That's not the kind of thing that the MAGA coalition wants, and it's not the kind of thing that America First people want.
And I think that's a great point.
It's legitimate.
Those kind of ideas are not the kind of things that you would talk to someone that considers themselves MAGA and say, they'd say, oh yeah, I back these ideas.
Let's see.
Dalimar says $3,000 per day is nothing.
The Biden hoard is $20 million alone.
We need $30,000 per day, seven days a week to put a dent in the total number of illegals.
I mean, look.
unidentified
Is that what Mary said?
I think Mary made that.
Is Mary Dalimar?
mary morgan
Not $30,000 per day.
I said $3,000 per day would be great.
phil labonte
Yeah, and he said that.
mary morgan
Get rid of a million a year.
phil labonte
I mean, look, I...
Yeah.
mary morgan
I doubt that will happen.
charlie leduff
So we averaged about 8,000 a day under Biden, right?
phil labonte
Coming in, something like that.
charlie leduff
Right, so that was over four years, so it would take 15 years.
phil labonte
I mean, it would take four years.
aaron reitz
No, look, I think that Dalimar has at least got the numbers right.
If you've got 30,000 per day for 365 days, that's just short of 11 million per year, which would get us on track.
Dalimar's on to something, I don't know.
mary morgan
I'm just saying, if you're going to hit the benchmark of what most people would consider mass deportation, that would be about a million a year.
Which is well below, obviously, the number that he provided in that super chat.
But still.
aaron reitz
I think, too, that there's...
mary morgan
Which is the popular mandate.
aaron reitz
I – and I – yes, I – you are correct, I think, in identifying what the popular mandate was.
I think you are also correct in identifying what, like, kind of the feeling of what the threshold should be to meet that mandate.
And I am more on the side of Dalimar than you might think.
But what I appreciate, I think that guys like Tom Homan and Stephen Miller and the president, Kristi Noem, et cetera, are taking is what they want is they want – I think.
I don't know this for sure.
I haven't had this conversation with these guys about this particular issue.
But my sense is that what we are going to see for the first year of the Trump administration is a proof of concept.
And I think that they are starting with the worst of the worst.
They are building popular consensus to the actual execution of deportation operations.
Because I think you're right.
The American people voted for mass deportations, but there's a difference.
You have to sustain popular support for mass deportations.
And I think a smart way to do that is to spend about a year getting rid of like the baddest hombres that are out there.
But also we have to get out.
And so it takes time to build.
And so, yes, I too would like to see 30,000 deported per day for like year after year, right?
But I also understand that there are practical concerns and there are prudential concerns that don't excuse not deporting people.
In other words, I will never concede.
That 20 million should be deported, but I'm okay with six.
That was that conversation we were having earlier.
But I do respect that in the execution, in the prosecution of a deportation operation, which is massively logistically complicated, that it takes some time to warm up.
And so I'm willing to sort of let the administration figure this thing out.
It might take them a year, 18 months or so.
And then once we've got the rail lines built, we've got the beds and the housing facilities built, we've got ICE agents, ICE offices like repopulated with law enforcement officers.
We've got cooperating sheriff's departments and police departments.
That's when we start ticking it up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up until we get to that 30,000 per week, per day.
charlie leduff
Because they had fully anticipated.
80-20, everybody wants the bad guys out, right?
They know the polling.
When it gets down to, oh, geez, it's going to be, you know, the maid.
Then you get around 51-52, still a majority, right?
But you look at what's going on now in L.A., and now it's not 51. Now it's 59. You see what I mean?
This thing might backfire on the funded protesters where people have had enough.
We all famously have now seen that legal immigrants are sick of this thing.
It was, right?
Exactly.
Canadian?
serge du preez
I'm going to act like you didn't just say that, but I'm from South Africa.
phil labonte
So, alright.
Let's see.
charlie leduff
I like Canadians, you know.
aaron reitz
Oh, you should read that.
I want to say something about that, the cloth Swiss.
phil labonte
This one here, cloth Swiss.
John Deere makes wonderful grape picking machines.
I'm fatigued with the who's going to pick the cotton argument.
Subscribe to Cecil Says for your leftist copes and freakouts.
aaron reitz
I don't know.
I have no comment on the all caps part of that.
But this is one of the things where I, as a conservative, am – Because I actually think in many instances that is the answer to valid concerns about who's going to harvest the almonds or the strawberries or whatever.
If you look at the Palantirs of the world, they are developing technologies to basically just have hundreds, thousands of acres farmed by – And so there's no need to have tens of millions.
I'd like to see that.
charlie leduff
I'm glad you pulled up because that was directed at me.
So I'll answer you, dude.
Yeah, the cotton gin did that.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
I get all that.
I'm not an idiot.
What I'm saying is we go through the list.
Remember that?
You know who was essential during COVID?
The guy working at the fucking dog food store.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Like, my dog gonna starve.
charlie leduff
I got myself toilet paper and I forgot the dog food.
That's all we're doing is just figuring it out.
I'm not like, you know, Andy Allman's in...
You know, we got nets that catch fish.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M NOT I don't know.
My talking points.
phil labonte
I don't know.
mary morgan
I think he was just criticizing the argument.
charlie leduff
Yeah, but there's some sensible things to be done, is what the president was bringing up today.
That's all.
phil labonte
All right.
Okay, let's see.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, I support slave labor.
mary morgan
That's a hot take.
phil labonte
That's a hot take there, Raymond G. Stanley.
He spent money to say that, and then I just tossed him right under the bus.
Let's see.
Raymond G. Stanley again for $5 says, Thank you, Charlie, for speaking.
Since the Trump Farmers comment, I said this on the show, folks won't pick strawberries, but 20-year illegals will.
charlie leduff
If you pay them cheap.
phil labonte
If you pay them cheap.
charlie leduff
You pay them cheap.
I get the argument, man.
aaron reitz
So will an AI-generated farm machine.
No need for the 20-year-old illegal alien.
charlie leduff
I'd rather Americans get paid part of the profit to pick them.
That's what I prefer.
phil labonte
Well, I mean...
That makes sense.
But I think to think that automation is going to stop, I don't think that's going to be a future.
I think that we got a good point about the robotics.
charlie leduff
We lost 40% of our jobs to globalization and 60% to robots.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Dan Stenger says, how about start finding business heavy for hiring illegal immigrants?
If they can't make money, I'm guessing they won't stay in self-support.
Look, that's something that I think goes to a total totalizing strategy for reducing not just illegal immigrants, but like, well,
And that's make it as difficult for the people that are hiring the illegal immigrants and stuff to make it as difficult for them as possible, which is one of the reasons that are one of the most objectionable things to what Donald Trump said earlier when he was talking about, you know, the the the farmers and they're you know, they're going to get hurt so bad if we send away the the.
And it's like, look, you shouldn't just be saying, oh, we don't want to see these farmers get hurt.
You should be saying, look, we want to fine these farmers for hiring illegals at all.
Like, the way to make sure that you don't have illegal immigrants in your country is to make it difficult for illegal immigrants to stay in your country.
And you have to make it difficult for them to find work, and the best way to make it difficult for them to find work is to actually punish people that would hire illegal immigrants.
aaron reitz
Yeah, there has been a reluctance to do this over the past, like, 40 years.
Yeah, right?
It's like it...
But really, it's the megacorporations that have the demand for the illegal labor and is the primary driving force to bringing in hundreds of millions of illegals.
charlie leduff
And then my neighbor, of course, there was a time there when I was like, wow, black guys and white guys are mowing lawns again.
Well, we're roofing again.
phil labonte
What happened?
charlie leduff
And then we got the next wave in the route again because even the local guy, you know, the dude that owns the company, it looking to profit.
Maximizes profit.
phil labonte
Yep.
charlie leduff
I know how to roof, but you're only paying $15, dude.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
phil labonte
All right, let's see.
What do we got here?
Some more Super Chats.
charlie leduff
May I approach your honor?
Did you ever see the clip?
phil labonte
Okay, then.
Let's see.
The SIGP220 said, Inside source is reporting Delaney Hall, New Jersey, the detention center holding ICE detainees that LaMonica MacIver assaulted agents has been taken over by the prisoners.
Really?
charlie leduff
What's that?
phil labonte
Inside source is reporting that Delaney Hall in New Jersey...
serge du preez
ice detainees?
phil labonte
Yeah, it says the Delaney Hall in New Jersey has, Let's see.
serge du preez
Yeah, I don't know.
I haven't seen anything about that yet.
unidentified
Yeah, neither have I. But if that's happening, that's kind of crazy.
mary morgan
LOL, World War III is starting and you're talking about illegals.
serge du preez
Yeah.
mary morgan
It's still a problem.
phil labonte
Look, man, the fact of the matter is the stuff that's going on in Iran right now isn't as...
aaron reitz
Yeah, there's no question that illegal immigration is a uniquely American problem right now.
It remains to be seen whether the conflict between Israel and Iran is like an existential American threat.
But right now, today, at this hour, the existential threat that America is facing is the invasion of tens of millions of illegal aliens.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's my sense as well.
charlie leduff
Yeah, I'm worried about Saturday.
phil labonte
The protests.
I think that the protests are going to go off, and I think that most of the police forces in the U.S. will be able to handle whatever's going on in their respective jurisdictions.
Let's see.
LARP Laugh Love.
How do you live here for 20 years without getting papers?
Hiding your past from your home country?
Federal minimum wage is $7.25.
Your dirt poor wage and send them all home.
By David.
aaron reitz
Okay.
The way that you live in this country for 20 years without ever having to show papers is when you have a completely failed state that does not uphold any semblance of the rule of law.
phil labonte
Well, yeah.
aaron reitz
I mean, that's maybe like a trite answer.
That's the answer.
phil labonte
Again, this isn't about...
aaron reitz
Well, there you go.
phil labonte
This isn't about, you know, not...
This is about actively subverting the will of the American people.
Our government has been actively working against the American people, or at least the Democrats have.
And, you know, you can argue the Republicans have, I'm sure, because the Republicans have been a failure at stopping it.
But the fact that there have been all these efforts by NGOs using, you know, federal dollars that the American people are going to have to...
The American people are going to have to deal with this and it's been the government, the Democrats using the American people's money to affect the ability of existing Americans' votes to matter.
aaron reitz
Totally right.
phil labonte
Let's see.
There was something that you just had.
Let's see.
Mr. Sombra, this is all that remains.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
Let's see.
Four Bar High says, all this replacement migration is part of a broader anti-colonialist genocide of Western civilization.
Western Europe is the bellwether.
We don't have to live this way, and the American people deserve better.
Crushed it.
aaron reitz
What a comment.
I mean, four bar high.
Yeah.
Absolutely spot on with that comment.
phil labonte
Yeah, that really does wrap all of the issues with the – But right now, we're going to have you guys head on over to Rumble.com and sign up, become a member, because we're going to go to that after show, the uncensored Rumble exclusive show.
We'll head over there in just a few minutes.
But, let's see, hold on a second.
charlie leduff
Do I have time for a smoke?
phil labonte
Not right now.
charlie leduff
No, I mean after this before the Rumble thing.
phil labonte
I mean, yeah, you can.
Big boy rules, remember?
Let's see.
Where am I looking for the...
So, yeah.
So, Charlie, want to go ahead and shout anything out?
charlie leduff
Thanks for having me.
phil labonte
Okay.
Where can people find you?
charlie leduff
Oh, Charlie the Duff on X at theenjoyer.com or No Bullshit News Hour, which is a top 200 podcast in America.
phil labonte
Cool.
Aaron, where can people find you?
aaron reitz
Well, my name's Aaron Reitz.
I'm running for Texas Attorney General.
Folks can find me at aaronreitz.com.
A-A-R-O-N-R-E-I-T-Z dot com.
You can also follow me on X. My handle is at Aaron underscore Reitz.
charlie leduff
R-E-I-T-Z.
aaron reitz
That's right.
R-E-I-T-Z.
mary morgan
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phil labonte
I'm PhilTheRemains.
You can follow me on Twix.
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So stick around for the Rumble After Show if you're a Rumble member.
If not, we will see you tomorrow for the Culture War in the morning and then IRL in the evening.
So we'll see you then.
unidentified
Bye.
Thank you.
phil labonte
What the hell?
So the Daily Mail is talking about the audio of the Titan sub-CEO shouting down engineers who dared to question his death mission.
Now this is the, what was the name of the company?
Ocean Gate founder Stockton Rush can be heard in new audio clip firing his company's operations director after raising safety concern over the doomed Titan sub.
In a record obtained by Netflix, of course it was Netflix.
And used in their documentary Titan, the Ocean Gate disaster, Stockton 61 can be heard terminating the employment of David Lockridge.
Well, let's take a listen to this here.
unidentified
Why test something with people in it?
I don't understand that.
To me, it was just sheer arrogance.
I don't want anybody in this company who is uncomfortable with what we're doing.
phil labonte
We're doing weird shit here.
unidentified
And I am definitely out of the mold.
There's no question.
I'm doing things that are completely nonstandard.
And I'm sure the industry thinks I'm a fucking idiot.
That's fine.
They've been doing that for eight years.
serge du preez
We do now.
unidentified
And I'm going to continue on the way.
Is there a keyword?
We need David on this crew.
In my opinion, we need him here.
Hank Stockton's made a decision.
I just feel a tad let down right now with your comments.
I'm pretty gutted, to be honest with you.
This is the first time on paper I've ever put any health and safety concerns.
My God, Stockton, you know every expedition we've had, we've had issues.
And I've been near you.
Every single expedition.
I'm not denying that.
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