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MAGA CIVIL WAR: Elon Says IMPEACH TRUMP, Trump Says CUT Elon Contracts | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Mega civil war.
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Elon Musk has declared war on Donald Trump.
tim pool
He's going for Trump's impeachment.
Trump has then said that he wants to poll all of Elon's contracts.
Elon then says that Trump is in the Epstein files.
Have a nice day.
And everybody's losing their mind.
The news coverage everywhere is basically just this.
You've got Fox.
Everything is just, Eli.
And now you've got people popping up being like, guys, stop fighting.
We need this coalition.
Steve Bannon says Donald Trump should seize SpaceX tonight.
And I don't know if Bannon did this.
Maybe.
People are calling for the deportation of Elon Musk over this.
And I'm just sitting here laughing.
I tweeted Elon2028, full well knowing that Elon wasn't born here.
unidentified
Duh.
tim pool
We've talked enough about his emerald mine.
And then I get a thousand, two thousand responses from people like, Tim, what are you doing?
Because the Internet is full of not smart people.
But I'm really excited to talk about this.
And I guess this breakup that the media predicted, and I actually was skeptical on, but I stand corrected.
So we're going to talk about that.
Plus, we do have a bunch of other stories, like, I don't know, some Democrats getting criminally charged.
But who cares about that?
Elon Musk and Donald Trump are fighting.
Oh, boy.
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Yeah, so I don't know.
drew hernandez
Whatever.
tim pool
Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Drew Hernandez.
drew hernandez
Good to be back, man.
Good to see you.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
drew hernandez
What an interesting night to be here.
I host my own show, Drew Hernandez Live.
You guys can catch it on Rumble.
Rumble.com slash Drew Hernandez.
We get spicy over there, but yes, sir.
tim pool
Right on.
We got Mary hanging out.
mary morgan
Hello, everyone.
My name is Mary Morgan, and you can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast.
I am especially excited to be back here tonight, specifically.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the story from Axios.
Musk calls for Trump's impeachment.
Oh, man.
This feud has such a ridiculous timeline.
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line.
tim pool
It didn't just start there, but that's where it went.
They say, Trump's threat to cancel billions of dollars in government contracts with Musk's companies has ignited a new round of escalation.
Okay, there's that.
And then there's, what is this one?
Elon Musk tweeting, time to drop the really big bomb.
At Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
This is the real reason they have not been made public.
Have a nice day, DJT.
Mark this post for the future.
The truth will come out.
Holy crap.
I'll just say, to kick things off, this is 101 million views, 259,000 retweets.
All of the Democrats are screaming, release the Epstein files!
And I'm kind of like, I agree, whatever.
But this was a low blow.
mary morgan
Isn't he kind of indicting his own character, having chosen to work with Trump, and then saying, hey, by the way, he's a pedophile.
Like, that is basically what you're implying.
And he's reposting these videos from the 90s where Trump is just, like, standing next to Epstein.
You knew about that already.
All of us knew that he was on the redacted version of the flight logs already, and nobody thought that that was a confirmation that he's a pedophile.
tim pool
I think this is why it's a low blow.
Now, for a lot of people, I think they'll take it exactly as you did, which is a fair point.
I think analyzing this, Elon Musk is just saying this to get under Trump's skin.
He knows it's BS.
We know that Donald Trump is in the Epstein files insofar as he flew on that plane several times, but where did he fly to?
The question is, is he in the actual evidentiary list?
Yeah, stuff like that.
But that is the insinuation when he says that's why the files have not been made public.
But again, I don't believe for a second that Elon actually thinks Trump did anything wrong.
Otherwise, he would have said Trump is in the files having done, you know, insert thing.
He's doing this because he's trying to damage Trump and piss him off.
drew hernandez
Well, that's true.
That's a pretty big, not only accusation, but if he doesn't honestly believe that, I'm not saying either way it's justified.
But if it's true, it's true, and people are going to want to know.
But if Elon is truly just lying, like just to play politics over something like this, I think he should be canceled.
mary morgan
He's throwing a fit because he thought that he could just – I don't understand how the richest man in the world doesn't understand how money works to the point where he thought he could cut a trillion dollars from discretionary spending that's not in the military.
phil labonte
Yeah.
mary morgan
He knew that math wasn't mathing from the start, so what is he so mad about?
phil labonte
He was expecting the Republicans to actually take up the same crusade that he was on.
That may have been naive, but that's what he's upset about.
It's not just that, oh.
mary morgan
He knew that Doge was not going to be effective.
phil labonte
I'm not going to speculate as to what he was thinking, because I have no way of knowing.
Well, maybe I will.
But I don't know if I have a sense of...
mary morgan
It's sweet because I just felt...
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't think that—I think it's a net bad for the country, though.
Having the issues going on, not having Doge cuts be—not having them actually be a part of the bill, or at least have more people in Congress speaking openly about having to make those cuts real and actually address the debt.
The $36 trillion is not getting smaller, and we are going to see fewer and fewer people interested in buying our debt.
The Treasury bills, and they went on sale last, very soft sales.
They had to lower the price to get, or no, they had to increase the yield, so that way they were more attractive.
mary morgan
Elon basically wasted his time.
He might as well have been an intern at the White House.
He'd spend his time better getting people coffee.
tim pool
I love this, though.
I'm just thinking about it.
I'm like, I'm going to use this in every debate from now on.
So it's like, you know, we got a culture war debate with some liberal guy.
And then if he ever stumps me, I'm going to go, well, you're in the Epstein files.
You know, have a nice day.
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The have a nice day part was way too cheeky.
drew hernandez
That's a wild lie if that's a lie.
tim pool
But it's a factual but not truthful thing.
mary morgan
Where's the community note on this?
tim pool
There is.
I bet it's nuts.
It says he only wrote that the name exists, in fact.
Trump's name does exist in the Epstein files.
Therefore, while his statement may be controversial, it's difficult to say that he lied.
Right?
No, it says real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
Oh, you see what he did.
At real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
He could be saying that the tag, the name or something, is in the files.
Maybe related.
Because Trump's account's been around for, you know, what?
2010 or something?
phil labonte
Yeah, he was an early adopter.
tim pool
Yeah, and then there's evidence shows DJT name in Epstein flight logs.
There's no indication of wrongdoing.
The next one, what is this?
Elon Musk, apart from spending money to get a known Jeffrey Epstein re-elected.
He wanted to get Epstein re-elected?
I think there's a typo in there.
An arrow.
or as president, once posed for a photo with known Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell and all these links.
Elon's getting roasted for this.
I mean, there are some...
Like I was saying, I tweeted Elon2028.
And I was funny.
I was sitting on my couch, just like eyes half glazed over, just finished eating some Chipotle.
And I was scrolling through Twitter, like just looking down.
And then I looked over at my wife and I started giggling and I typed Elon2028 and showed it to her.
And then she rolled her eyes and I tweeted it.
And I've got 2,000 responses from people like, Kim, you can't.
He's not from here.
unidentified
I love you doing it.
mary morgan
That is how they sound.
And they don't understand the things you say on Twitter.
tim pool
What I love too is, I love the, They don't understand what I mean on Twitter.
mary morgan
I really felt that when he said that.
Just that part.
Only that part.
tim pool
It was funny because there's a bunch of people in the replies being like, he's trolling, calm down, but they don't get it.
And so now there's people being like, dude, Tim's screwing with you.
And I'm just sitting back being like, what?
drew hernandez
They struggle with humor or sarcasm.
They really do.
It's almost impossible to get through them.
tim pool
I gotta be honest.
Most internet people do.
There are two kinds of people on the internet.
Trolls and the trolls' victims.
You know what I mean?
mary morgan
Is Trump a troll victim?
tim pool
No, Trump's a troll.
mary morgan
Which one is the troll and which one is the victim?
Between Trump and Elon.
Who's winning?
tim pool
Elon's a master troll.
I mean, I don't think he's better than Trump at trolling, but he's a troll.
mary morgan
And what is his nickname going to be?
tim pool
Keckius Maximus, he's already...
drew hernandez
Oh, like a Trump name.
mary morgan
Obviously, this is the next step.
This is the next logical step in the process.
tim pool
Musky?
phil labonte
I think he's going to say something to do with a space brain, something weird like that.
Like, he's a weird guy.
Because I think that Musk is a little sensitive when he's called weird because of the touch of autism that he allegedly has.
So I think he's a little sensitive to that, and I think that's probably where Donald Trump will go.
drew hernandez
Yeah.
Fussy Elon!
I don't know.
unidentified
Fussy Elon!
tim pool
Look at this reply from this guy right here, Drew Hernandez.
Hey, Elon Musk, I'm curious if what you were saying about Trump being in the Epstein files is true.
How long have you known this?
Why did you wait until now?
Were you planning on just sitting on this forever?
Genuine question now that you have decided to release blackmail.
drew hernandez
Yeah, if he's being absolutely serious about this, let's just assume it's true.
I have no idea if it's true.
But going with his comment, what has already been said is like how long have you known this type of information?
Why would you be sitting on it?
I don't think he thought this through because this is not the W you think it is.
Because if it is true, you're sitting on information that we would – the entire class would like to know.
tim pool
Well, he's basically saying that he knew Trump was untoward as a matter of speaking.
As a matter of speaking.
And he was like, I'm going to work with him anyway and try and get stuff from him.
It's kind of like, Elon, this was, you know, it's one thing if he says Trump should be impeached and replaced.
So here's where this started.
Elon said, this bill is bloat.
It's evil.
You know, the people who voted for it, you know what you did.
And then he said, we should primary these people.
So he's pissed.
And I get it.
For a while, though.
drew hernandez
He's been talking like this for like a couple weeks.
Right.
tim pool
He went into Doge to try and cut all the spending, and then what happens?
They do this bill that increases spending, as it always happens.
My attitude on this is kind of like, and?
So you're telling me that Congress is doing exactly what Congress has always done every single time, no matter what?
I'm not happy about it, but there's a lot of things in Trump's bill that are really good.
Border security, budgets for CBP, stuff like that.
The AI stuff is bad in it, but I can own suppressors.
phil labonte
Yeah, the Hearing Protection Act is still in there.
There haven't been changes to that, so that's the silver lining if it does pass.
mary morgan
Can I just feel vindicated for one second that Doge is a non-happening?
phil labonte
No.
mary morgan
Move fast and break things!
tim pool
USAID is gone.
mary morgan
Okay, maybe that's like the only happening.
unidentified
There are cuts.
drew hernandez
There are cuts.
phil labonte
They've already set a lot of policies into motion that they're...
like the things that they started at the Department of Education, they've shrunk that considerably.
They got rid of a lot of, With the Department of Education?
The job that the Secretary of Education has is to shrink the department to almost nothing.
That was the point of appointing her.
They did get rid of USAID.
So they're not looking...
So getting rid of, even if they get rid of like 2% of the people that work there, if they've managed to get them out and get them out of their job and get them out of D.C., that's a huge amount of people to fire.
There's a lot of people that work for the government.
tim pool
The New York Times has this.
Musk suggests Trump is in the so-called Epstein files, a source of speculation and conspiracy theories.
It's just a picture of Jack Posobiec.
Hey, Jack!
drew hernandez
With the binder.
tim pool
With the binder.
Oh, man.
mary morgan
Like, wasn't Bill Clinton on the flight logs, too?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
There's a painting of Bill Clinton in a dress on Epstein Island.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
It was in his house.
mary morgan
A painting of Bill Clinton in a dress.
drew hernandez
With a blue dress with red high heels on.
phil labonte
Yep.
mary morgan
It was Hillary's.
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
mary morgan
That's how he wishes she dressed.
phil labonte
Well, he wishes that she looked like that in that dress because it was a flattering painting of Bill Clinton's female body.
mary morgan
I think, if anything, this means Trump needs to stop truthing and start tweeting.
tim pool
He's got to come back there.
mary morgan
I'm so sick of him ghettoizing himself on that stupid app that no one likes and no one has.
tim pool
He's on conjuring now.
All right, wait, wait.
We got more.
We got more.
Here we go.
From CNBC.
Trump says Elon Musk went crazy.
Suggests cutting government contracts for his companies.
He lashed out saying he was crazy.
Blah, blah.
We get it.
Do they have the actual quote?
Let's see.
The easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts, Trump wrote in a Truth Social Post.
I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it.
Musk promptly responded, go ahead, make my day.
He later upped the ante, writing, in light of the president's statement about cancellation of my government contracts, SpaceX will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately.
I love this.
It's what NASA uses to get people to and from the ISS.
So imagine being one of these astronauts.
You're in space.
You're in the space station.
You just had this big fiasco.
People got stuck for months.
And you're like, I just hope I can get home.
And then you pull up your Twitter on your laptop and Elon's like, I'm shutting it down.
phil labonte
Trump's going to be on the phone with Putin being like, yo, can you let us hook a ride the next time you're going up there?
tim pool
This is great.
You know why this is awesome?
Because it's like celebrity, politics, pop culture all rolled up in one drama.
This is what every housewife, suburban housewife, wanted to watch on TV when they were watching the Jersey Housewives or whatever that show was.
phil labonte
Every villain for them.
tim pool
Exactly.
mary morgan
They're throwing drinks.
tim pool
Yeah.
mary morgan
Slinging champagne.
tim pool
I am tomorrow, first thing, like, okay, so we have the culture war in the morning, but after that, I'm getting in the Cybertruck and I'm driving into all the liberal areas because I want them to cheer for me.
drew hernandez
Yeah.
tim pool
They're going to be cheering for me.
drew hernandez
A lot of them are probably confused.
mary morgan
This doesn't mean that he's pivoting left.
They know that.
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
The left doesn't have policies.
mary morgan
They see this as a win because they see it as people on the right eating their own.
tim pool
Yes, but what I mean is Democrats are just anti-Trump.
They don't have anything.
mary morgan
You're anti-Elon too.
If anything, I see these protests and they're holding up more signs against Elon than Trump.
tim pool
Only because he was pro-Trump.
Now that he's anti-Trump, he's far left.
drew hernandez
Staged.
tim pool
Yeah, staged.
Because they were just hanging out.
mary morgan
That's so funny.
tim pool
And so the, Yeah, something like that.
And he let his kid hang out with Trump.
It's like there's no way Elon actually thought Trump was doing anything with kids and had his kid around.
Here's the conspiracy theory.
Elon and Trump knew that once the contract employment thing was over, Elon would need to sever politically.
And so, again, as the theory goes...
He was leaving government already because his special government employment was over.
Trump is now saying, I kicked him out.
mary morgan
I would believe that if it weren't for the Epstein team.
drew hernandez
Yeah, me too.
tim pool
I would believe it if it weren't.
mary morgan
Trump would not have agreed to having that be part of a state.
tim pool
No, no, I agree.
I don't think the conspiracy is right.
I think Elon and Trump are both very similar in that, like, they're petty, you know?
Trump, he makes fun of people and he roasts them.
Remember when he roasted Chris Christie?
phil labonte
Yes.
mary morgan
During the primary?
tim pool
Oh, no, Bill Barr.
I mean, he roasts Chris Christie all the time, but the Bill Barr roast, that was the best one.
I gotta pull that one up.
Trump's best troll ever.
phil labonte
You know, to be honest with you, I feel like a lot of the things that Trump says, very rarely does he say things that he isn't capable of taking back and just ignoring that he said.
Now, I think that he might have a special, people might give him leeway that they wouldn't give to someone else, but the comment that Musk made was, like, line crossing.
tim pool
Check this out.
For those that don't remember this, it is from...
Quote, Trump posted on Truth Social.
mary morgan
New York Post.
tim pool
Based on the fact that I greatly appreciate his wholehearted endorsement, I am removing the word lethargic from my statement.
Thank you, Bill.
So considering, like, just, look, Elon posts on X all the time about his squabblings with people, and Trump posts things like this.
That's why I believe it.
This is exactly in line with both of their personalities.
To be honest, it's in line with my personality, so I enjoy it.
drew hernandez
But has Trump ever faced an autistic person before?
A woman like Elon Musk.
Because I think if he genuinely feels hurt or whatever's going on with him, he took it zero to a million quick.
And I would expect that from an autistic person like Elon Musk.
mary morgan
It's just funny because like I said that Elon would expect things in exchange for his donation.
It wasn't it wasn't a donation.
It was transactional.
And I feel like a lot of people didn't understand that.
And they just thought, oh, yeah, Elon is giving 300 million to the Trump campaign, like just to be nice, you know, because he's based, I guess, as if he had nothing to gain from that.
Well, he just lost out on that gamble.
It's backfiring that this affiliation became so close in the first place.
And I said that would happen.
So I do feel a little bit vindicated.
phil labonte
Well, I don't know that I agree with your assessment of why Musk was involved in the first place.
I do get the sense that Musk looks at the national debt and he sees an existential crisis.
mary morgan
He got the role in Doge because he gave $300 million to the Trump campaign.
That wouldn't have happened otherwise.
phil labonte
This was the reason he moved away from the Democrats and actually decided to support not only Donald Trump but a bunch of Republicans is because of the debt.
That's the major driver.
Yes, he's got interests of his own that would be to SpaceX or be to Tesla and whatnot.
The real reason that, or at least it seems that the real reason that he got involved, considering what he was doing, was he wants to see actual shrinking of the debt.
You don't have to get rid of the debt.
You don't even have to have a plan to get rid of the debt.
What he's looking to do is signal to the market that the United States is good for its word.
As soon as the bond market went soft last week, that was a big signal.
The point of him trying to make those cuts was to signal to markets, hey, look, the United States is still the safest bet in the world.
mary morgan
That doesn't work by just cutting funding to transgender surgeries on shrimp.
That's not where the money is spent.
phil labonte
You're 100% right.
tim pool
I bet that was a real program, too.
mary morgan
Sure, it was.
phil labonte
But the point that I'm making is it's not that it was the amount of money that actually was being cut.
It was that the government could make cuts.
Because historically, if you look at the times that they've ever cut, we haven't had a balanced budget since the 90s.
So we're so in foreign debt.
And we've been sending signals to other countries that, hey, the money that you spend on T-bills, You might not actually make that money back.
The federal government might actually be a bad investment.
They lowered our credit rating.
Honestly, they lowered our credit rating like two weeks ago.
I don't remember what the highest one to the second highest one was.
But it was a big deal.
And the bond markets were soft because of it.
Well, I don't remember if the bond market sell-off was the day before or not.
Either way.
But the point is, there are a lot of things happening in the market that are saying, look, The federal government might not be this big, reliable thing that we used to think it was.
And that's because we can't actually make any cuts.
Not we can't make big enough cuts.
And honestly, if you told the market, It's actually going to shrink.
That alone would send a message to the market and people would be like, okay, it's safe to buy T-bills.
The United States is a safe bet nowadays.
He's got an econ.
mary morgan
Ice is not getting anything.
phil labonte
What?
mary morgan
They're going to cut funding to ice and the border wall for sure.
phil labonte
Probably.
tim pool
Well, the big beautiful bill increases the budget for those things.
mary morgan
But that's the first thing on the cutting room floor.
tim pool
The bill that Trump wants passed will boost the budget of—you're saying that when it goes to the Senate.
mary morgan
If they want to, yeah, cut the deficit.
tim pool
Oh, you mean like if they actually want to bring the deficit down, they've got to stop funding the deportation.
mary morgan
Yeah, they're not going to touch anything else.
tim pool
Yeah, this is what people don't realize is that we are addicted.
You know, everybody out there who's got a small business knows exactly what this is.
When you're trying to figure out where you're spending because you want to bring costs down, And then you go through your line items and it's like plastic cups and plastic forks.
And then you're realizing it's all little things.
There's no one thing to cut.
And so you start pulling the obvious small things.
Then you realize you've only cut like 0.3%.
And you're like, this did nothing to our monthly expenditures.
That's what happens.
Trump gets in there and it's like, how do we cut?
And they're like, well, almost all of the money is entitlements.
Do you want to cut Medicare and Medicaid?
And they're like, a little bit, I guess.
Good luck in the midterms.
So they don't.
And then it's military, and Trump's like, we want more money for the military.
We want more for deportations.
We want more border stuff.
And they're like, okay, so you're increasing spending.
mary morgan
It's definitely going to be less for the border and deportations, if anything.
Well, I mean— If anything is up for negotiation.
Yeah.
tim pool
Right, because Trump has—Congress is broken.
They're going to go to Congress, and they're like, will you sign the bill?
What do I get?
What do you want?
My district makes teddy bears.
We want a bill that provides subsidies for teddy bear fluff.
And then they're like, okay, I guess.
And this is how you get the weird stuff in these bills.
Like, I can't remember what it was, but the last Omnibus had something for, like, orange inspection fees to be subsidized or something, and it's like, that's very specific to, like, one county.
phil labonte
Senator Rand Paul was saying that he would vote for it, and so he's actually signaling that he's movable on it.
He said, I'd vote for it if we got real spending cuts, but this bill is the largest debt increase in U.S. history, $5 trillion.
That's like giving your 16-year-old a credit card, watching them rack up to camp booze and gambling them, raising their limit to 10. It's irresponsible.
mary morgan
Did Rand Paul not say that he wants spending cuts to the border?
phil labonte
I don't think that Rand Paul...
I don't, I'm not aware of him saying anything about like, Well, I can't comment on it.
I haven't seen it.
But the point that I'm making is Rand Paul, who's a fiscal hawk, he definitely is signaling that he's close to a place where he'll vote for it.
So this is actually something that's still very much in play.
tim pool
Let's jump to the next story, my friends, from at the Democrats.
Kill the bill and release the Epstein files tweets at the Democrats, who then tweeted, what is Trump hiding?
Release the Epstein files.
Eric Swalwell, release the Epstein files now.
I am shocked.
I didn't expect Democrats to stand on principle and call for such an important thing like releasing the Epstein files.
I wonder what could have happened that would have made them come around and agree.
Oh.
It's anti-Trump now.
Elon Musk accuses Trump of being in the Epstein files and Democrats all of a sudden are saying, go for it.
mary morgan
No, they had a change of heart and they're suddenly against child molestation.
tim pool
Oh, I wouldn't ever believe that for any amount of time.
phil labonte
Super don't believe that.
mary morgan
I just woke up one day and they were like, wait, diddling kids is wrong.
Stop doing that.
tim pool
That would never happen among the Democratic Party, but I do think it's funny.
You know, is this where the Democrats try and find their pivot moment?
They're sitting there pulling their hair out, being like, we've spent millions of dollars to try and talk to regular people.
What do we do?
And now they're like, release the Epstein files.
And Chad Prather was like, I agree.
And a bunch of conservatives are like, yes, please do it already.
unidentified
Could you?
tim pool
So here's my bet.
2028 is going to be some like.
Random them being like, we'll release the Epstein files.
It's the only policy we have.
phil labonte
That'd be hilarious.
tim pool
They'd get some good votes.
mary morgan
I don't think enough people even care.
I said that the first time around.
It wasn't something that anyone voted on.
And they shouldn't have mentioned it if they didn't have a real plan of following through.
So it was a big embarrassment.
tim pool
Yeah.
drew hernandez
Well, the administration has botched it.
Bondi's botched it.
The new FBI is not making it any easier for people to believe that this administration is going to deliver on any of that.
And I think Elon knows that.
We all know that.
And I think that probably went into why Elon said what he said today to get at Trump.
It's very petty.
I mean this is a worse breakup than Ye and Kim, Brittany, Justin Timberlake.
I mean this is really bad, dude.
I'm just interested to see where this goes next because I don't think you can say anything worse than that.
And if you notice, Trump did respond.
He responded maybe about an hour after Elon posted that, and he didn't deny it.
Not saying he did it, I'm just saying that's unlike Trump.
All Trump said was, Elon should have turned on me earlier.
tim pool
I think it's probably PR 101.
You don't pour gas on the fire.
drew hernandez
But he's been doing it all day.
tim pool
So was Trump in beat then?
Not the Epstein stuff.
drew hernandez
So did Elon beat Trump today?
tim pool
No.
If Trump came out and said the Epstein thing is a lie, I have nothing to do with Epstein, he's pouring gas on the fire.
If he comes out and says, Elon, you're crazy, and insults him, That's actually PR 101.
It's redirect.
Don't give them narrative control.
I wish conservatives actually knew how to do this with media.
They don't.
They give the corporate press the narrative control all the time.
But Trump's—you're not going to beat Trump.
He's the media guy.
mary morgan
He needs to log out of Truth Social, log into his ex-account, quote tweet Elon, and ratio him.
That's all you need to do.
It doesn't matter what you say as long as you ratio him.
tim pool
He would, too.
mary morgan
On his own platform.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think he's contractually barred from doing that.
mary morgan
From ratioing?
tim pool
From using X. Wait, what?
phil labonte
Because he's invested in truth.
That's why he uses it.
mary morgan
Oh, I've seen him tweet since the inauguration.
tim pool
Yes, there's been a few.
But I think he's probably got a contract saying, like, you won't principally use other platforms or whatever.
And so...
Yeah.
mary morgan
So shrug it off.
drew hernandez
2024.
tim pool
But I think one tweet is probably fine.
We all still say tweet.
Everyone says Twitter.
unidentified
I still say it.
mary morgan
It's still Twitter.
Nobody...
tim pool
Yeah.
But you're right.
Trump should get on right now and just Yeah.
mary morgan
Like, your mom's hot.
tim pool
President of the United States tweeting at Elon Musk.
Some nonsense.
Well, my friends, in response, yay.
He's chimed in.
He says, bros, please, no, we love you both so much.
phil labonte
Look at Matt Strickland's reply to him.
Hey, Kanye West, was it the Jews?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
Jeremy Kaufman has the appropriate response.
Finally, a voice of sanity.
phil labonte
I love Jeremy Kaufman.
mary morgan
Maybe he can mediate the debate between them two.
tim pool
Dana Lash says the fragile coalition on the right is at the edge and the left knows it.
They didn't push the right there.
The right did it all by itself, taking the bait.
The left and its legacy press ID'd Musk as the linchpin to this coalition.
And if they can take down Trump or Musk individually, they will take the alliance and with it the first domino in the coalition.
Blind loyalty is no place in a free republic.
People are free to agree and disagree on the merits of the issues.
This nation was built on criticizing its lawmakers and airing grievances with policy.
The people who don't understand these concepts are as great a threat to this republic.
As a legacy press and identity politic left, they purport to oppose.
She says there is an art to disagreeing and remaining united as a coalition, and the right has yet to figure it out.
One of the Krasenstein bros tweeted at me when I quote tweeted Elon, and they said, which side are you on?
And all I could think was, aw, the poor thing is developmental leadership.
drew hernandez
The lollipop twins?
tim pool
Yeah, you know, I'm not on anyone's side.
Like, why would I take...
Now, if you want to ask me about the big, beautiful bill, I've already laid my position out on it that the overspending is bad.
However, that is status quo.
I want Trump to win.
So I shrug at the bad stuff and say, I hope Trump can secure his agenda at least.
Let's take what we can get.
I've always been a reformer.
But on top of that, it's so dumb where it's like, Elon is the worst.
I hate him and Trump is great or Trump is bad and Elon is good.
And I'm just like.
Elon's got really great space technology stuff.
I'm really glad what he did on X and bringing back free speech.
Donald Trump is one of the best presidents, if not the best of my lifetime.
Certainly he makes mistakes, but I'm happy with the job he's doing.
So I would just say, all in all, I'm quite content with the work both of them have done already, and I have nothing to do with their personal beef with each other and don't care.
Other than I enjoy the entertainment factor of it.
phil labonte
Sure, it's fun.
But, like, the option was Kamala Harris.
Everybody that's worried about what has or has not been done or what has or hasn't been accomplished, what they're going to accomplish, the option was Kamala Harris.
It's a win.
It's still a win.
There are no more migrant caravans coming towards our country.
We're actually deporting people.
Yeah, we need to deport more, but it looks like they're actually stepping that up.
unidentified
Are they?
phil labonte
Yeah.
So Stephen Miller went to some of the people at DHS and he was wigging out on them.
I forget who was reporting it, but he has been real PO'd about how many people are not getting deported.
tim pool
I've been real PO'd about the same thing.
You said Steve Miller?
phil labonte
I know.
mary morgan
What's going to happen about it?
phil labonte
Stephen Miller.
tim pool
I love his song, Abracadabra.
phil labonte
I guess he was...
He was I read on X. I don't remember the post so I don't have it here to verify or anything, but I read on on X there are people that did If you're actually serious about getting rid of millions of people that are here illegally, you absolutely have to have significantly more deportations.
And the more deportations you do, the more likely it is that people will self-deport.
They'll just split.
mary morgan
I told you it wasn't going to happen.
phil labonte
I told you it wasn't going to happen.
drew hernandez
Self-deportations?
No.
mary morgan
I told you mass deportations were going to happen.
drew hernandez
The self-deportations will never get anywhere near where we need to be with deportations.
tim pool
Self-deportations are happening.
I don't know if we have the hard numbers, but they are.
drew hernandez
Listen, dude, these third world people that have been brought here, they will live...
tim pool
That's why we got to pass the bill.
phil labonte
Yeah.
drew hernandez
It's got to happen, but...
phil labonte
I mean...
drew hernandez
If you are relying on self-deportations...
I'm just saying generally.
That's not how we're going to take the country back.
phil labonte
I am a holistic deporter.
So we need to actually enforce laws against others.
mary morgan
Honestly, even if you unknowingly hire an illegal, you should get fined at the very least.
phil labonte
Maybe a fine, fine.
I agree.
That's why I said, like, lose your business.
tim pool
If you knowingly do it, jail.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I think jail would be...
mary morgan
Unknowingly, it's the same thing as getting a ticket.
phil labonte
The point that I'm making is there are no...
mary morgan
We should seize those big Disney cruise ships and just take them to a resort.
tim pool
That's what I was saying.
It's like rent a Costco and then put free citizenship on top.
Everybody comes in, then you close doors.
drew hernandez
Yes.
tim pool
And then we're like, you gotta go.
drew hernandez
Host up taco trucks, free tacos.
tim pool
You'll catch illegals.
No, that's not fair.
I like tacos.
drew hernandez
No, you use the tacos to catch the illegals.
tim pool
Yes, but what happens if I walk up to a truck that's free tacos?
drew hernandez
Well, then you just start speaking English.
unidentified
You'll be fine.
mary morgan
You tie up a taco in some fishing line and pull it over the border.
tim pool
Yeah, but see, I'm sorry.
No, this is offensive, okay?
mary morgan
I'm sorry.
tim pool
I love tacos, okay?
Taco Bell is the best.
Everybody agrees.
And it's not about the people.
It's about the food you are disparaging.
drew hernandez
Oh, I see what you're saying.
So it's an offense that the actual food— experience of taco.
Why would we waste No, no, no.
tim pool
I'm saying stop making fun of tacos, bro!
Taco Bell is the best!
Come on!
I buy Taco Bell here and everybody loses it and it's gone.
Like, I could order $300 worth of Taco Bell and it'll just be vaporized in an hour.
phil labonte
Taco Bell's the best.
mary morgan
It's good because it's a superfood.
phil labonte
It's a superfood.
mary morgan
Yes.
drew hernandez
It depends on who you're trying to catch.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it isn't, but let's go to the next story.
We've got this from the Post Millennial.
Steve Bannon calls for SpaceX to be nationalized, Elon Musk to be deported.
phil labonte
That's insane.
drew hernandez
This whole day's been insane.
tim pool
Today's been so much fun.
I had a great day today.
This has been amazing.
He says, look, if you're going to deport illegal aliens, you've got to deport illegal aliens.
But Elon's not an illegal alien.
unidentified
SpaceX.
President Trump tonight should sign an executive order calling for the Defense to Production Act to be called in SpaceX and seize SpaceX tonight before midnight.
The U.S. government should seize it.
If a guy's going to sit there and start making quotes also...
As Stuart Stevens talked back in January, I don't know why we haven't had a full investigation.
Look, if you're going to deport illegal aliens, you've got to deport illegal aliens.
The good go with the goose and the gander.
tim pool
Did he just say the good go with the goose and the gander?
unidentified
and go through everything about his immigration status.
I happen to believe, given the facts that I've been shown, An illegal alien has got to be reported.
drew hernandez
He has a scoop.
unidentified
Also, this drug use is reported in the New York Times.
The drug use in the New York Times.
If that's a fact, that ought to be investigated.
You can't have a security clearance, Jack Posobiec, as you know.
Jack, if somebody in your unit had that type of drugs and they had a security clearance, what would happen to them, sir?
jack posobiec
Well, Steve, we remember that Hunter Biden popped positive, I believe, for cocaine on his very first weekend in the Navy Reserve.
And even at that time, I don't remember if his father, I think his father was still the vice president at the time.
He wasn't president yet, or autopend president yet.
And Hunter Biden was summarily separated from the United States Navy over his very first weekend drilling as a Navy.
tim pool
All right, all right, we get it.
So I'm going to go ahead and say nah.
I like Steve Bannon.
I disagree with him on this one.
unidentified
Elon and drugs and security clearance?
tim pool
Yeah, because SpaceX is doing military stuff.
He's got clearance.
His company does.
Or people at his company do.
And his argument is because the New York Times reported that he was doing drugs or whatever.
He should have his clearance revoked.
But Elon's denied it.
He said it's just fake news and I don't believe it.
mary morgan
What was their evidence for that?
tim pool
I think it was anonymous sources.
drew hernandez
Anonymous sources.
mary morgan
Who, like, work for him or something?
tim pool
For Elon?
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, they're anonymous sources.
We have no idea.
drew hernandez
Maybe it was Trump.
mary morgan
Well, the New York Times is known for fact-checking.
tim pool
I have an anonymous source that says Donald Trump can lend a backflip.
I, too, can make things up.
drew hernandez
Maybe Trump is the anonymous source.
Maybe he preemptively did this.
This is the 10-D chess we've all been talking about.
tim pool
Trump calls the New York Times, you know, Elon is doing a lot of drugs.
That Coke, that was him.
drew hernandez
He tried to give it to me, and I said, no, Elon.
phil labonte
I don't do that.
tim pool
The funny thing is, like, literally every media outlet anywhere is only talking about this.
It's like celebrity gossip news, podcast drama, headline news on big news outlets.
Are these, like, the two most important guys on the planet?
I don't know, but it's the biggest breakup in Pride Month so far.
The biggest what?
unidentified
Biggest breakup in Pride Month so far.
tim pool
There was a funny tweet that said, this is the gayest thing that happens in Pride Month.
mary morgan
End of a bromance.
phil labonte
Yeah, look, I mean, it is pretty lame, but these calls for nationalization of one of the biggest companies in the country, you can't.
That would send terrible signals to the market.
And right now, we just got interest rates under control.
I'm sorry, inflation under control.
My number just came out today and it's like 2.1%, which is just where they want it.
So it's in that sweet spot.
They're not going to raise interest rates.
They're not going to lower interest rates, but they're not going to raise them.
So, like, the economy is kind of, like, chilled out.
If we can get this tax package across the border and across the line and get that, you know, put into law, then you can actually look at doing some real...
tim pool
Government is dumb.
phil labonte
You can't threaten to just nationalize a company like SpaceX.
tim pool
You can.
phil labonte
It's a terrible idea.
tim pool
No, I'm saying you can threaten to do it.
It's not going to happen.
mary morgan
This is just Bannon mouthing off.
Trump wouldn't even...
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
In my mind, because I like both Elon and Trump, I'm just imagining they're both sitting on a couch together giggling as they both show each other their tweets.
mary morgan
Kicking their feet in the air.
drew hernandez
Playing their brand new Nintendo Switch 2s.
tim pool
And then after they're done tweeting, they throw their phones away and then they go to play Mario Party.
phil labonte
I mean, that does make sense.
drew hernandez
Yeah, but do you think this maybe creates a massive security problem for Trump?
tim pool
Why?
drew hernandez
Like when you hear someone like Elon Musk say Donald Trump is on the Epstein files, you don't think there are people out there that are polishing weapons right now?
tim pool
There are people that are chatting that think it's 4D chess and that they're actually friends, but I don't because you're right.
The Epstein thing?
drew hernandez
That's some serious stuff.
That's what I'm saying.
I could only imagine what Trump's security is thinking about right now at the same time, but maybe that's how Bannon sees it.
mary morgan
Well, there were even, like, Epstein victims, I don't know if they remained anonymous or not, but they said they interacted with Trump and that he actually went out of his way not to make advances at any of the women.
Like, that was something I think...
But I did read sources of Epstein victims saying they had seen Trump interact with Epstein and that they weren't even friends.
They were more like vague business associates.
And he never made any advances to any of these women he presumed to just be prostitutes.
phil labonte
I haven't heard any of the details of his interactions.
drew hernandez
I posted the screenshots of these documents before, which I'll find if I – Well, I mean Epstein was obviously multiple foreign intelligence agencies, blackmail operations.
He was Mossad, UK, et cetera.
The guy is by default going to be around a lot of very important people.
Someone like Donald Trump will be a target to something like that.
So I think it will be inevitably obvious that someone like that will be around Donald Trump in the past.
But the big question mark is like, well, to what extent?
I think Roger Stone wrote a book that had extensive research talking about how President Trump – I think to go to your point, I think actually helped some of the Epstein victims at one point if I have that right.
This throws a massive monkey wrench in the whole thing.
And, you know, Elon's not a dumb guy.
He's not a dumb guy.
He knew what this was going to do.
And I'm just curious to see where this goes again because, like you said, Tim, this is a big, big thing to throw at someone.
tim pool
Does the media now turn around and start entertaining the Epstein stuff because it's anti-Trump?
phil labonte
Yes.
I wouldn't be surprised at all.
tim pool
They're – like obviously they've already tried doing it to a certain degree but not headline-heavy attack like they would do for Trump.
I'm wondering if from this the Democrats are like, hey, here's our attack factor.
Because they've been – I've been talking about this.
They've got all these different secret projects.
They've got a new one I was reading about.
I couldn't believe it.
They've got Project Sam, Searchlight, Wildflower, and that's another one.
The centrist Coachella they're calling it.
unidentified
And I'm just like – The centrist Coachella?
drew hernandez
Like the actual Coachella?
tim pool
They're calling it the centrist Coachella as a reference to a bunch of moderate Democrats coming together to try and talk – not like they're going to a concert.
drew hernandez
I was like, what?
tim pool
They are calling it that.
mary morgan
I'm sorry.
I just – I found the document I was looking for.
I think it actually was a quote from Virginia Guthrie.
But this was trending last year.
unidentified
Virginia Guthrie?
mary morgan
Guffrey?
tim pool
Oh, Jufre.
drew hernandez
Jufre.
mary morgan
But it was last July that this was trending.
A bunch of Democrats were saying, it's so wild that we have unsealed court documents.
This is from the Epstein case proving...
tim pool
That's her maiden name.
mary morgan
Yeah.
Proving Trump S.A. little kids.
And the only person to acknowledge this was the guy who shot his ear off.
That was back in July last year.
And then I looked at the document they were talking about, and it has this quote.
Donald Trump was a good friend of Jeffrey's.
He didn't partake in sex with any of us, but he flirted with me.
He'd laugh and tell Jeffrey, you've got the life.
And then another quote says, It's true that he, Trump, didn't partake in any sex with us, but it's not true that he flirted with me.
This was misreported, Virginia said.
Donald Trump never flirted with me.
And then she said she never said to Jeffrey, you've got the life.
That was a fake quote.
tim pool
So anyway, her name is Roberts.
I don't know where Guthrie comes from.
mary morgan
Well, rest in peace.
tim pool
Yeah, that's weird.
When you search for Virginia Guthrie, Giuffre pops up.
But I can't figure out why they're calling her that.
unidentified
Anyway.
mary morgan
Mandela effect?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
No, I think it's like when you Google search Virginia Guthrie, the first thing that pops up is her Wikipedia for Giuffre.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Yeah, no idea.
Anyway, whatever.
What were we talking about?
Democrats trying to weasel their way back into politics?
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I mean, this could be a way for them to actually...
You know, I mean, they've got nothing else.
And if they can attach themselves to Musk saying things like he should be impeached, you know, it makes sense for them.
Because they don't have anything else.
They've been racking up the L's.
mary morgan
Is it time for a third party that represents the 80% in the middle?
phil labonte
Yeah, and then Yang.
Chimed in.
Yeah, it is.
The forward party.
mary morgan
Yeah, I think it's time.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's time.
I already got some apps made up.
tim pool
Let's pull it up, ladies and gentlemen.
Here we go from Elon Musk.
In the wake of his fight with Trump, Elon Musk says, Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?
To which I said yes.
Indeed.
However, it's a pipe dream.
He's got 3.29 million votes and 81% said yes, but literally everybody does this.
Michael Malice.
Has the best response.
We just need to vote in the right people.
phil labonte
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
I love how Elon's response is like, we need a new political party.
And it's literally been the response from everybody, always, all the time.
It's never going to happen.
phil labonte
No, I don't.
tim pool
Oh, dude, did you see this meme?
It's that interview that Trump did with that.
I can't remember that guy's name, but.
He's like, I have a plan to cut spending, and then he hands the paper to the journalist who looks confused and says, increased spending.
mary morgan
I feel like at least on social issues, the Republican Party already represents the middle 80. Yeah, I agree.
tim pool
Yep.
Agreed.
What is he saying?
That Democrats are 10 and Republicans are 10% and then everyone else is just confused?
Trump won the popular vote.
Pretty sure that people know what he is.
And his popularity has been increasing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm not sure what Musk is talking about, but...
tim pool
No.
mary morgan
No, we don't need to represent anyone.
drew hernandez
Did he post that before or after the Epstein comment?
phil labonte
This was five or six hours ago.
tim pool
Oh, this was before, wasn't it?
drew hernandez
It was before, so he was still...
tim pool
Actually, let me find when he tweeted the...
I think the Epstein thing was...
drew hernandez
Uh-huh.
mary morgan
His last Epstein-related post was at 4.43 p.m.
tim pool
Yeah, 3.10 he posted, Trump is on the Epstein, so it was like an hour later.
drew hernandez
Okay.
tim pool
And then he retweeted Ian Miles Chong, President versus Elon, who wins?
My money's on Elon.
Trump should be impeached and J.D. Vance should replace him.
Well, I'm very interested in your opinion, man from Malaysia.
Tell me more about my president and another guy who runs a company in my country.
mary morgan
Okay, I see that.
Ian Miles Chong post.
And I see Elon's posts the same way.
I also don't see Elon as American.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, he lives here.
He's extremely influential.
He literally worked with the president.
He helped get USAID gutted and removed.
And he launches rocket ships.
He also owns X. Yeah, fair.
mary morgan
He's just not American.
tim pool
He's a naturalized American citizen.
He's been here for 40 years or something.
mary morgan
I don't see him as, culturally speaking, American.
tim pool
I see what you're saying.
He has like an accent, right?
mary morgan
Well, yeah, he does have an accent, but that's not the same.
I don't know.
tim pool
Is it an accent or is he talking like that?
Serge, why don't you have an accent?
He says he doesn't know.
You guys are from the same place.
You know each other, right?
He's British?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Everybody in South Africa knows each other, especially if you're white.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
That's why I was like, I just assumed that there's only one family down there.
mary morgan
But all of the South Africans who were, like, descended from the colonizers or...
tim pool
They got a club.
mary morgan
Yeah, they're in like a secret Illuminati club, right?
tim pool
There's like 12 of them.
mary morgan
Yeah.
drew hernandez
I think Elon also said that if it weren't for him, Trump wouldn't have won the election.
phil labonte
He did.
drew hernandez
He said that too today, right?
phil labonte
Yes, extremely directly.
tim pool
Listen, have y'all followed...
Who's that fat lady that was on TV that Trump hates?
drew hernandez
Rosie O'Donnell.
tim pool
Yeah, Rosie O'Donnell.
Roseanne Barr, he loves Roseanne.
We love Roseanne.
mary morgan
Oh, I thought, yeah.
tim pool
Rosie O'Donnell.
She was saying that Trump stole the election and that, you know, Elon...
Yeah, because he owns the internet and was controlling the votes.
phil labonte
Because he owns the internet.
mary morgan
And then she moved to the Shire.
phil labonte
I love when people talk about who does and does not own the internet.
Yeah.
tim pool
Here we go.
phil labonte
What is this?
Look at it.
tim pool
We got it.
I got the proof.
Rosie O'Donnell suggests Elon Musk stole the 2024 election for Trump.
Quote, he owns and runs the internet.
mary morgan
No, that's so funny because the headline about Elon and Ghislaine Maxwell in that photo says Ghislaine Maxwell asked Elon Musk to destroy the internet.
tim pool
What?
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
I want to find this Rosie O'Donnell clip.
You know, X is great.
Because if I go and I search for Rosie O'Donnell, I'll find it.
Do I have to put the apostrophe in her name?
I don't know.
If I Google search, it doesn't come up.
mary morgan
Ghislaine Maxwell asked Elon Musk if there was a way to delete information about oneself off the internet at this Vanity Fair party where they met.
tim pool
Here you go, ladies and gentlemen.
From her mouth to your ears.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
You know, a lot of people did vote for him.
unidentified
Yes.
Do you accept their right to do that and their opinion of him?
Well, I respect their right to do that.
I question why the first time in American history a president has won every swing state.
tim pool
Not true.
unidentified
And is also best friends and his largest donor was a man who owns and runs the Internet.
tim pool
Also not true.
unidentified
So I would hope that that would be investigated and that we would see whether or not it was an anomaly or something else that happened on election night in America when Kamala Harris was filling up stadiums with people who supported her.
And Donald Trump was not able to do that.
What is wrong with her brain?
tim pool
She's like, Kamala Harris was filling up stadiums and Trump could not do that.
unidentified
What?
She moved to Ireland and started breathing in all the bog fumes.
tim pool
She said for the first time in American history, a president won all of the swing states.
I'd like to introduce you to Ronald Reagan.
I think Richard Nixon too, right?
A lot of presidents have won all the swing states.
It's crazy that this lady was like a TV personality or whatever.
mary morgan
Elon's broken.
drew hernandez
She was in the Flintstones.
mary morgan
And he changed the elections.
tim pool
Well, I do think, to be fair, you know, like, Mary, what would you do if Donald Trump got up on stage in front of, like, 60 million people and said, Mary Morgan is a fat pig.
Like, how would that affect your psyche?
mary morgan
Oh, I would crash out.
It'd be worse than this.
tim pool
Crash out.
That's what he did to her.
mary morgan
Irrecoverable.
tim pool
You know he did that to her, right?
drew hernandez
She never recovered.
tim pool
That was funny when she, when Megyn Kelly was like, you referred to one as fat pig.
mary morgan
I would know.
tim pool
Only Rosie O'Donnell.
mary morgan
If that happened, I would know that it's not true.
So maybe I would be fine.
tim pool
I'd be so excited.
mary morgan
If he called you, if Trump called you a fat pig.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Get a lot of attention.
tim pool
I would, I mean, I'd be showing off to my friends.
I'd be like, wow.
I mean, I don't want to be, like, I like Trump, so I'd feel kind of bad if he was insulting me because I don't know why I'd make him angry, but, you know, I wouldn't go the Rosie O'Donnell route where I'm like, Elon owns the internet and Trump is stealing the election.
mary morgan
You would have to lean into it and actually get fat.
tim pool
Yeah.
drew hernandez
Or Taco Bell.
tim pool
Oh, if only, if only.
Rosie O'Donnell.
I don't know what's happening in this country.
Maybe people were always this stupid.
We just didn't see it because we didn't have the internet?
phil labonte
Yeah, because you didn't have access to everyone's thoughts, you know?
tim pool
Like, when she did her TV show, it was pre-recorded, right?
And it wasn't live.
So if she had something stupid, they'd be like, cut, Rosie, don't say that.
Roll.
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
I don't even imagine that she did a lot of ad-libbing, to be honest with you.
I imagine that she kind of learned her lines, but that's just my...
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Oh, the, uh, yeah, she had a, Was she on The View?
mary morgan
I thought that she wanted to move away...
phil labonte
To the abortions that she is definitely never going to get pregnant.
mary morgan
The abortions that she's not getting.
tim pool
Well, she's gay.
drew hernandez
Didn't she flee with her non-binary child?
mary morgan
Yeah, something like that.
drew hernandez
And people were like, did your child consent to leaving?
Or did she just abduct them?
mary morgan
Then you're still just as focused on Trump and American politics as you were when you lived here, so what was the point of moving?
phil labonte
She's not going to be less focused.
This is like the most important thing going on in her life.
mary morgan
Ireland needs to deport Rosie O'Donnell.
But don't bring her back here.
tim pool
No!
unidentified
Don't bring her back home!
tim pool
They need to give her citizenship.
mary morgan
Send her somewhere else.
I don't care where.
tim pool
They can keep her.
phil labonte
No, they've got the MMA fighter as the president now, isn't he?
tim pool
Oh yeah, Conor McGregor, is he running?
phil labonte
I heard he was going to run.
tim pool
That'd be epic.
phil labonte
I don't think he's actually the president now.
tim pool
Nah, but that'd be cool if he won.
mary morgan
They have, like, two presidents.
There's one who's a president and there's one who's more like a prime minister.
phil labonte
Is that because of North and South?
tim pool
No, no.
mary morgan
In, like, the Republic of Ireland, yeah.
tim pool
But a lot of countries have presidents and prime ministers.
mary morgan
They just have a different name for it.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, Northern Ireland is controlled by the crown.
I had, as a total aside, I got into it with this guy at the poker table because we were talking about when King Charles gave away Canada.
Did you guys see that recently?
phil labonte
The other day, yeah.
tim pool
Like last week or whatever.
And then he was just like, you know that they're independent from the crown, right?
And I was like, the king of Canada is King Charles.
And he's like, no, it isn't.
Canada is a sovereign nation.
And I was like, no, it's not.
He's like, going to bet?
I'm like, yeah, how much?
He's like, $100.
And I was like, okay.
And then I looked up.
Canada.ca where the government of Canada says we are a constitutional monarchy and our sovereign is King Charles.
And he just got mad at me.
mary morgan
He didn't give you 100?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
He stormed off.
And he was like, they're independent.
It's not true.
And I was like, listen, I'm not like Ian.
I'm not going to claim there's a global British empire running the show for everything.
Just because he is the king of Canada.
But it is funny what Canada, what the crown did.
They had the Commonwealth nations be independent, but then enact them as the crown with special constitutional provisions for removing their parliaments and their prime minister, to which they've done several times.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
And then they say, but, no.
tim pool
Indeed.
I don't know, man.
How long do you think until Elon and Trump are friends again?
phil labonte
I question whether that's actually going to happen because I think that the Donald Trump is on Epstein list.
I think that was the one that was over the line.
drew hernandez
Yeah, that's hard to come back from.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Donald Trump didn't say anything that I don't see Donald Trump saying.
You know what I mean?
To just totally be like, I don't know what you're talking about.
That never happened.
I love Elon.
There was nothing that Trump said that makes me think that.
Musk is, like, taking it personally throughout that barb, and I do believe that he's actually serious about, you know, starting to decommission the dragon capsules and stuff like that.
drew hernandez
Or what if, you know, Elon was given some disinfo?
Maybe he has been really sitting on this.
Maybe he does believe it's real, and maybe he does believe he's had blackmail on Trump just waiting to use it.
That's possible.
tim pool
Maybe.
drew hernandez
Who gave that to him?
Who gave?
That's what I want to know.
Who gave you this information?
tim pool
He's full of it.
There's nothing.
Let's jump to the story.
We got this from Patrick Casey.
He says, there's a lot of confusion about the big, beautiful bill.
I'm sure to call it the omnibus because, random.
What matters most is that it constitutes the biggest single increase in immigration enforcement funding in U.S. history.
Here's what we got.
$75 billion for ICE.
That's crazy.
$45 billion for detention?
An 800% increase.
$10 billion of that will go towards expanding ICE personnel, 10,000 officers.
$14.4 billion toward deportation removal.
Now on a CBP which will get $60 billion over the next four years.
$46.5 billion will go toward completing the border wall.
The bill also funds CBP facilities hiring 8,000 new personnel.
Take a look at that.
Cracks down in illegals using Medicaid.
The Big Beautiful Bill makes immigration harder and costlier by raising fees on asylum applications, humanitarian programs, employment authorization, unaccompanied children, immigration court proceedings, and border visa processing.
There's more immigration stuff in the bill, but that does it for the main stuff.
Immigration aside, the bill also cracks down on welfare abuse.
So I like all of this.
I'm a fan.
And my view on the Big Beautiful Bill, the omnibus, is largely that, oh, Congress is doing an omnibus again.
Oh, it increases the deficit again.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, they're stripping or buying power from us.
It's really, really bad.
We're not going to fix anything unless we actually succeed in a presidential agenda.
Now, I like Trump's agenda.
Democrats don't have one.
If Democrats win, they will just impeach Trump and then nothing happens.
So I'm sitting here being like, yes, omnibus bills are bad.
I'm totally against them.
Yes, the deficit is bad.
No, the deficit should not be increased.
However, I prefer Trump winning.
Curious what you guys think.
phil labonte
I do prefer the bill to pass.
I think that there is an incentive in Congress to pass legislation that will actually enshrine the doge cuts into law.
I think that that can happen after this bill gets passed.
And I think that if this doesn't pass, you're going to see a...
So at least two consecutive quarters of shrinkage for the economy.
So I think that the best move for the country is to pass this and address the other things in a separate bill.
drew hernandez
Well, I think back to the – because this is still in line with the Elon thing is originally when Trump won the election.
And then we had President Trump getting ready to take office when they were developing the cabinet and kind of announcing what Doge was going to look like.
Doge was supposed to finish when?
July 4th, 2026.
And I think last Friday when they had their Oval Office meeting at the White House, they looked like friends.
But at the same time, President Trump did reiterate that, that we do have some Doge cuts, but we're not done with Doge.
And this is going to still be going on for the next year, year and a half because Doge's work is not done.
Now, somewhere in between obviously the debt ceiling and the overspending, that's the argument you're hearing right now.
That blew up probably over the weekend and then these couple days into the week.
But my question is, does Elon believe that President Trump… We cannot or will not deliver with what Doge is planning to do with the, what, was it like one or two trillion dollars in cuts when it's all said and done?
I can't remember.
Do you guys remember?
phil labonte
He was looking for two.
drew hernandez
Two, right?
So I just, the timing's interesting.
I'm questioning the timing of everything because why would you agree to this from the get-go and then just kind of come out of nowhere?
And now Trump's on the Epstein files.
Like, I don't know.
It's just kind of way out of left field for me.
Like, why would Elon Musk agree to doge?
It's going to wrap up by July 4th, 2026.
But it's not going according to your timeline.
But Trump is saying, well, we're going to get there.
tim pool
I mean, I don't know exactly what – everyone's bad at everything they do and they have no idea what's going on.
drew hernandez
Yeah.
It's, it's ultimately, I think it's ending up a reflection on, on Trump's, On fire today.
tim pool
Yeah, he's been on, well, for the past week.
Let me actually pull up some of his tweets on both of these issues for which he has excellent insights.
So let me just scroll down real quick and grab, where are you at, Milo?
Also, he was supposed to come on, then he just doesn't show up.
phil labonte
Yeah, I texted him today.
I'm like, hey, are you around?
tim pool
To be fair, to be fair.
We didn't book him.
He hit us up at the last minute and said, hey, can I come by?
We said yes, and then he didn't come by.
So I don't want to make it seem like he canceled on us.
He tweeted this.
You see the kind of mess it makes when there are two dads?
mary morgan
It's not natural.
tim pool
That was a good one.
mary morgan
It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
tim pool
And then, where's the other one?
The other one he had was about the big, beautiful Bill.
Here's what he said.
And he nailed it.
In practical terms, claims about the economy and the federal government are now adjacent to fairy stories and horoscopes.
I don't mind other people discussing them or daydreaming about them.
I choose not to.
He's right.
This bill, this country, Congress, and everything is so just psychotic.
A train has crashed already.
None of this makes any sense or matters.
Say whatever you want, but whether or not this is going to increase or decrease, Choose your own adventure.
Tons of accounts are saying the Big Beautiful Bill actually decreases spending from the government because of the reduction in immigration costs.
We're going to increase the budget for ICE, which is going to decrease the costs in a greater number by removing illegal immigrants who are straining the system.
Therefore, the deficit goes down.
And then on the other side, the corporate press and people like Elon are saying, no, the deficit will go up because it will cut like 1.3 trillion but increase something like 3.7.
So it's going to increase the deficit.
I don't know.
Pick your own adventure.
If you like Trump, I just say nah.
I choose to believe Trump can do no wrong.
phil labonte
I don't know that I agree that Trump can do no wrong.
And I do think that the philosophically correct move is Musk's move, right?
But the practically correct move is going to be Donald Trump because Donald Trump's worried about, you know, the reality on the ground, not...
tim pool
No, Phil.
Because as you can clearly see, I've proven it.
Trump literally never did anything wrong because he is the nexus of morality.
This means whether it is good is solely determined by whether Trump does it.
When he does it, it is good.
phil labonte
Well.
tim pool
That is the political ethos of.
Yeah.
And I guarantee you the people who responded and ratioed the post literally have no idea that I'm being sarcastic.
The point is that Trump does things that are wrong.
So this bill is not far from perfect.
But I do see what you're saying.
There is this viral post going around about Elon is being principled and Trump is being practical.
And I think practical makes more sense and principled is revolutionary.
Yes, we get it.
You want to change the government.
It's bad.
All these bad things are happening.
How do you plan on doing it?
By standing outside waving a sign saying, I will not partake?
Sure, that won't do anything, but I'm glad you told us.
Now I know what you think.
That and five bucks will get me a cup of coffee.
Or we can try and reform the system like Trump is doing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, in my opinion, that's the only thing that's going to work.
Because if you try to, if this bill doesn't go through, you're going to raise taxes significantly, and you're going to end up with a recession.
So that's going to be, and that's just going to be awful for millions of Americans.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess my biggest concern on all of this is that tomorrow the drama will be over and we'll be talking about something else, less fun and more boring.
phil labonte
It's Friday, so...
tim pool
Tomorrow's Friday.
phil labonte
Yeah, we can talk about...
We can talk about aliens.
tim pool
Sasquatch?
phil labonte
Well, we hit Sasquatch.
There's a cryptid.
Me and Sarah are going to a cryptid fair on Saturday.
unidentified
Wait, what?
tim pool
Really?
phil labonte
What?
There's really a fair.
tim pool
Well, it's West Virginia, man.
phil labonte
It is.
So I'll text her and I'll ask her.
tim pool
I like talking about Sasquatch because it's clearly not real.
But just people are really excited about it all the time.
It's a guy in a suit, but, you know, go at it.
You know what I mean?
It's exciting.
mary morgan
We interviewed some people on Pop Culture Crisis who made a documentary about Sasquatches.
and it was like they're like Yeah, like a family?
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
Like a mom Sasquatch?
phil labonte
That makes perfect sense to me.
mary morgan
I actually need to find the name of it because it slips my memory and I think they deserve a shout-out just for the work they did on it, but I was so not sold on it.
tim pool
Well, of course, there's no such thing as a Sasquatch.
Okay?
Sasquatch is a story your parents tell you to scare you when you're a kid.
mary morgan
Well, they're just low-res creatures.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
Let's see.
What's the thing around here called?
tim pool
Sheep Squatch?
mary morgan
Okay, so they have a movie called Sasquatch and the Missing Man.
It was Tony Merkel.
He was on Culture War.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we have the Grafton monster.
West Virginia has all the cryptids.
mary morgan
And I wonder if that has something to do with the Recommend if you're looking for a lab.
phil labonte
He goes bathtub gin back in the day.
tim pool
you know you live in the middle of nowhere and you're A lot of crazy stuff.
A lot of crazy stuff.
This is how we round out our discussion on Elon.
phil labonte
Elon's a crazy guy.
And it's crazy stuff happening in D.C. They're fighting like gay men.
That's what it seems like.
tim pool
Elon's going to tweet, Trump, your stuff is outside.
Come get it.
Actually, that would be really funny if, like, outside of the White House has a big box that says Elon on it.
phil labonte
You saw what his office was?
Oh, we gotta do that!
Did you see what his office was?
All it was was, like, a desk and a computer.
It was like a small office.
tim pool
We need to get a cardboard box full of just like old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles t-shirts and then just write Elon on it and film outside the White House like, Hey, they threw his stuff out.
All right, anyway, I'm done goofing off.
We do have some big news, ladies and gentlemen.
There's been a massive airstrike by Russia on Kiev.
This is the retaliation that Putin had warned about.
Russia launches aerial assault on Kiev days after Ukraine's audacious drone attack on bomber fleet.
And, of course, we have this clip here from Patriot Oasis.
I don't know if you can just see the fire.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
People are saying it's one of the most devastating attacks of the war so far.
It's the most significant strike that we've seen in the war, that they're ramping things up.
And let me just say it.
I said it before.
I'll say it again.
I believe that Ukraine is actually our enemy, not our ally.
Not that I think Russia is our ally or anything like that.
We're certainly at odds with them.
But let me stress, as I often have and will and love to, Germany, our ally in NATO, has accused the Ukrainian diving instructor as well as two other Ukrainians of bombing the Nord Stream pipeline that was delivering energy to Germany, our ally.
Germany, our ally in NATO, was buying natural gas from Russia.
So according to their arrest warrant, Ukrainians blew up that pipeline to cut off energy to our ally.
What do you call it?
Let's try this.
Hey, Drew.
drew hernandez
Yes.
tim pool
What would you call a country that bombs your energy supply lines to your allies?
drew hernandez
Your enemy.
tim pool
You're at home.
Oh, heavens me.
So that's why I said it before.
I'll say it now.
Donald Trump ran in this country on ending the war and finding peace.
He has been negotiating peace and Ukraine intentionally withheld information on this drone strike, escalating the war, and then afterwards calling for a ceasefire.
These people are unscrupulous.
So now we have this breaking news.
It's just happening right now.
Russian ballistic missiles and drones have been launched toward Ukraine from multiple directions.
Fires caused by falling debris and drone strikes reported in buildings across Kiev.
How do you say this?
Kachenko accused Russia of hitting residential areas with the drone attack, saying a high-rise building in the Solomiansky district of Kiev was damaged.
Kiev's mayor, Vitaly Klitschko, also reported fires in the districts of I'm sorry.
I'm not going to be able to pronounce that.
Holo C.E. V.S.K.E.
and Darnitzky?
Hey, I tried.
The attack on the Capitol continues.
Stay in shelters.
I'm just going to go ahead and say Trump cut them off 100%.
Let's be done with it.
phil labonte
I mean, I think that the fastest way to end the war, that might be the fastest way to end the war, but even if Trump decides that they get no more funding from the U.S., the rest of NATO is going to keep, Why are we involved?
Well, yeah, I mean, that's fine with me.
But I still think that, like, I don't think that the U.S. ending the support is going to actually get us to where we want to be, which is...
tim pool
I don't give a crap about what's happening in Burma right now.
So if Russia and Ukraine want to fight, whatever has nothing to do with us at this point, Ukraine, let me just say it again, they are accused, okay, it's alleged, of bombing a pipeline supplying our allies with energy.
Why are we helping them?
phil labonte
Well, I kind of feel like the previous administration helped them do the actual bombing.
tim pool
I wouldn't be surprised.
phil labonte
Not that I have any evidence of that, but I feel like they were like, yeah, if you go ahead, it's fine.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, Trump ran on ending this war and here we are.
everything's escalated.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't...
drew hernandez
Back on backlash on Trump.
And it also makes America look weak because if you have Trump in the White House that literally ran on promises of ending that war, now it's not happening.
And so at the same time, I mean, it has domestic implications as well.
You have the midterms that are upcoming.
And the Republican Party has married itself to Donald Trump.
And now they're going to come up.
Now this could pop up as something that is a failure.
On the GOP because Trump represented the GOP and vowed to end this war.
It hasn't happened.
But I agree with Tim.
I'm just like really sick of hearing about Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.
Like all my money keeps going there.
I'm tired of it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Hundreds of billions of dollars.
drew hernandez
Especially in the news.
tim pool
This is one of the issues Mary is most passionate about.
She actually knows everything about the conflict.
Just ask her any question.
mary morgan
Yeah.
I'm here to answer anyone's questions.
I know you guys aren't really informed on these issues.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
How do you feel about the whole thing?
mary morgan
Honestly?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Do you have a feeling about the whole thing?
mary morgan
I think I do.
tim pool
See, this is important.
This is where Gen Z is at on the conflict.
Mary, tell us.
mary morgan
I'm supposed to represent how Gen Z feels about every issue, apparently.
You're the quintessential Gen Z. I have to be the voice of my entire generation.
tim pool
Yes, you are.
Tell us.
Do you support Ukraine, Gen Z?
mary morgan
No.
tim pool
Okay, vindication.
I guess.
I mean, I gotta be honest.
Considering Russia just bombed the crap out of Kiev, I would have figured at least there'd be something to say about it.
mary morgan
This is a retaliation to something that Ukraine did, which I assume the U.S. signed off on privately.
tim pool
Well, the reporting is that they kept it a secret.
From Trump specifically.
mary morgan
Is there evidence that they kept it a secret from the Trump administration?
phil labonte
The U.S. is a secret.
tim pool
So you may be correct in that Biden signed off on it.
And then Trump got an office saying, let's have peace.
Zelensky was like, I ain't telling him what we're planning.
phil labonte
They were planning for more than a year, right?
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
phil labonte
So it's possible.
mary morgan
That's crazy work.
phil labonte
I mean, everyone kind of knew that this was coming because of the attack that Ukraine just did.
And look, I don't know.
I don't know what the best course of action would be.
I'm not a military planner or anything, but for Ukraine, they're in a position where they kind of have to keep fighting if they're not going to just surrender.
And I don't see them surrendering because they want to get back.
I've heard, what's his name, talking about getting back to Crimea, which everyone knows that's not happening.
That's not happening at all.
That'll never happen.
They're not even getting any of the existing territory that the Russians are in.
That's all gone.
tim pool
But again, I was saying yesterday, the drone strike by Ukraine shows they've lost the war.
It's an insurgent strike.
Launching drones inside of Russia does nothing to help them win the war.
It's only for causing pain to someone who's occupying your territory.
If Ukraine had the resources to actually push on the war front and take back territory, that's where the focus would be.
The fact that they did subterfuge inside of Russia, which is—it was a great operation, don't get me wrong, it was very clever, but to be honest, it's kind of minimal.
Some people are saying, Tim, you don't understand, those bombers for the Russians were being used to bomb Ukraine.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
So the troops on the ground who are holding the territory that Russia needs to maintain control of Crimea, who are not being moved, were not a target of the Ukrainians, it's not more pressing to stop the men on the ground who are holding your land?
No.
They launched an insurgent strike covertly because this is what you do when you're in the resistance.
When an occupying force comes in and you don't have the military strength to actually wage a battle and seize land, you try to shock and annoy.
You try to cause...
Hoping that they'll get pissed off, but, you know, I'll put it this way.
Just answer me this.
How does drone strikes on bombers inside of Russia change the landscape of the war in Ukraine?
phil labonte
Doesn't.
tim pool
It literally doesn't.
phil labonte
Doesn't at all.
tim pool
So then what is the tactical warfare purpose of doing it?
There's a political purpose.
The idea being maybe we can force them to retreat by causing damage inside of their country.
phil labonte
I don't even think that was it.
I think they were just trying to signal to Europe that, hey, we're looking to keep fighting.
So even if the U.S. doesn't support us anymore, I think we're looking to fight so you can keep sending us money and weapons.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
I think it's more of a, we lost, but we're going to hurt you anyway.
phil labonte
I don't know if they're ready to say they lost yet.
tim pool
Well, Russia's held the entire land bridge into Crimea for, what, two and a half years now?
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
But I don't think Zelensky's ready to say that he lost.
drew hernandez
Well, because he needs the gravy train to continue, too.
tim pool
Well, it's not just that.
It's the moment the war ends, he gets voted out.
phil labonte
Yeah, and he might get killed.
drew hernandez
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, there's very few Ukrainians left.
What I should say is, I think, what, they had 30 million people and 7 million fled at the start of the war?
phil labonte
Something crazy like that.
They've run out of...
They're running out of people to actually fight the war.
They've got women and they've got old guys.
60-year-old dudes.
tim pool
Are they snatching women off the streets now like they do guys?
phil labonte
I don't know if they're snatching women.
I haven't seen that, but I've seen that there are a bunch of women.
And look, if your homeland gets invaded, you know, everybody's...
Like, that's the way that it goes.
If your actual homeland gets invaded and you want to defend it from the invaders, everybody's going to pick up a gun.
tim pool
That's an important question I have for you guys real quick.
If the U.S. was invaded by a significant presence, like a serious threat to this country, how many Americans do you think would flee?
Go to Mexico or go to some other country?
phil labonte
I don't know.
drew hernandez
millions.
tim pool
Well, of course, millions, but like...
phil labonte
That's a lot.
mary morgan
Which is a tiny country.
So for the U.S., maybe just the people who already live close to the borders.
phil labonte
I don't think they'd flee the country, though, because I think the country is so difficult to even conceptualize an invasion that doesn't get stopped by the Rockies or get stopped by the Mississippi.
The U.S. landmass in and of itself is really, really hard to take.
like to think of like conquering it, like from an invasion, get a beachhead and then go city by city.
It's a lot of area to take.
And there's a lot of places for people to escape to.
Yeah, everyone's got guns.
tim pool
So, we can't hear you.
What did he say?
phil labonte
He just said everyone's got guns.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Well, hey, let's jump to this next story.
We got this one from Vittorio.
On X, he says, holy ish, it's happening!
You can now screen embryos for 900 diseases and traits, including cancer, heart disease, IQ, and Alzheimer's, before they're even born.
You don't just pick a child, you rank them by longevity potential.
That's right.
When you're doing IVF, they can actually genetically scan your baby and tell you the color of the eyes, the color of the hair, whether they're going to be smart.
Take a look at this one.
Embryo number two has plus four IQ points.
This is the beginning of Gattaca, my friends, where this is it.
I mean, they're going to start genetically engineering babies.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You've got all of these girl bosses who are...
Women are going on Facebook and creating communities asking for men to bang them and get them pregnant and leave.
Because they're like, look, I'm in my mid-30s.
I need to have a baby.
I can't wait around for a relationship.
Just give me the baby.
And so there are dudes that just go around banging all these women because they don't even care about what the guy looks like.
They're just like, I need a baby.
I need a baby now.
I'm running out of time.
This kind of trend is also, in my opinion, going to lead to an increase in IVF where women just go to a sperm bank or whatever and get a sperm donor and then do IVF and they're going to choose.
There's a great question.
This dude asks, like, if you have the ability to check for Alzheimer's and other potential diseases, why wouldn't you?
And if you do, why wouldn't you do more?
This is just the first domino being knocked over, and eventually it's going to be full-on Gattaca.
I want my kid to have perfect vision.
I want my kid to be 6 '3".
even if it's a girl, I want IQ plus 10, all of that.
And that's...
When everybody was talking about how we were headed towards 1984 or Brave New World or Fahrenheit 451, it was all of them.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
It's every single nightmarish future dystopia that we've written about all in one.
phil labonte
I wonder if there's going to be people that are going to start protesting against parents that do that.
Because there are people that would call it an abomination and stuff.
mary morgan
Well, the ethical disasters just keep multiplying for IVF, for surrogacy.
Not only talking about the unborn who are discarded or indefinitely frozen, but also the children who are born out of this process are raising ethical concerns about just the psychological effects of knowing this is how you were brought into the world.
And this type of stuff was always the logical end.
Of holding people emotionally hostage and saying, why don't you want infertile people, infertile married Christian couples to have children?
tim pool
Well, why don't you marry?
unidentified
Because clearly God said no!
mary morgan
Those loaded emotional questions were always used to justify this end.
tim pool
Did you see the story of the nurse who couldn't conceive so they did IVF and then she died?
I did not.
Influencer nurse.
I mean, it's a really sad story.
It's brutal to read about.
She died in childbirth.
And a lot of the comments were from people saying, God gave you an answer and you tried to defy him.
mary morgan
Well, the rate of complications for IVF-conceived births are incredibly high.
And also, for surrogates particularly, I mean, they're not paid nearly enough.
Just considering the risk that they're taking to their own lives because your body obviously recognizes you have a foreign genetic material inside you if you're, first of all, gestating from an embryo that was both not your egg and obviously not your sperm.
So, yeah, more likely to have premature births, birth defects.
tim pool
No, not anymore.
Not when they're doing Gattaca.
You ever see that movie?
mary morgan
That's just a pitch for investors, really.
I don't know if they fully followed through on the vision here, but they say every parent wants to give their children more than they had.
For the first time in human history, nucleus genomics adds a new tool to that commitment.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that they can already test the DNA of a baby for all of these things.
And so the only thing here is they're basically saying, if you're doing IVF, we can find that out before you implant.
So, you know what the big problem with this is?
When they do IVF, they don't just put, don't they implant like six embryos at once?
Or something like that?
mary morgan
It depends, but yeah.
tim pool
They just like blast a woman with a bunch of embryos and be like, I hope one works.
And then women have like triplets.
mary morgan
They harvest lots of eggs at once.
tim pool
I'm saying they implant.
They don't just put one embryo in.
mary morgan
Yeah.
They use a catheter to insert multiple because they know that not all of them are going to survive.
I think that's why twins are more common with IVF because sometimes multiples survive.
And it's just such a misnomer to even call them sperm donors.
They're sperm sellers, and a lot of these companies prey on – Especially during the pandemic, they were encouraging men to sell their sperm for extra cash.
phil labonte
They were doing that.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Why do we all wear the same thing?
phil labonte
Because it's low effort to look.
drew hernandez
No, I think it was because it was the death of Elon and Trump's romance.
mary morgan
We're all mourning.
drew hernandez
We're all mourning.
tim pool
Drew, have you ever seen the movie Gattaca?
drew hernandez
I've seen clips, but I haven't watched it in full.
tim pool
You've never seen it, have you?
mary morgan
I have.
tim pool
You have seen it?
mary morgan
Years ago.
tim pool
I mean, it's like, what is it?
Who's the main guy?
Is it Ethan Hawke?
What's that guy's name?
And he wants to be a pilot or something, but he's got bad eyes.
So, like, you're a second-class citizen?
phil labonte
Yep.
Too bad.
tim pool
What's that other movie they did?
Isn't there a Disney movie about this?
mary morgan
Really?
tim pool
There's, like, some young adult teen, like, young adult dystopian movie where, like, At a certain age, you get genetically modified to become pure or something like that.
phil labonte
Yeah, what was that?
I don't know.
That's not Alita Battle Angel, is it?
tim pool
No, no.
mary morgan
Was it like a young adult book series?
drew hernandez
Disney?
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
It's like a movie or something.
mary morgan
Like Divergent or something?
tim pool
I bet the chat knows.
In Time?
phil labonte
In Time.
tim pool
No, that's not.
unidentified
Oh, wait.
tim pool
No, no, that's not it.
mary morgan
No.
tim pool
That's stupid.
Chetty Petir's stupid.
Those are both wrong.
unidentified
You talking about that Logan Paul movie?
tim pool
Is it a Logan Paul movie?
unidentified
That one where they all take that test or whatever?
No.
tim pool
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know what you're talking about.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
There's some movie where it's like I don't know.
Yeah, it's like when you're young, you're genetically normal, and at a certain age, they put you through a machine that – Something like that.
phil labonte
I think it is in time.
No.
tim pool
In time is where you have time on your arm and time is currency.
Yeah, that's a totally different thing.
mary morgan
That movie sucked.
tim pool
Yeah, it's unfortunate because people were saying it was a good idea.
mary morgan
It was a cool concept but it was bad.
The movie sucked.
I'm just sick of talking about the obvious ethical concerns around IVF and surrogacy.
And being told that I'm saying children conceived through IVF, like, don't deserve to live.
Like, that's just emotional manipulation.
phil labonte
Yes.
mary morgan
It's bullshit.
phil labonte
that's half of the discourse on the internet nowadays, at least.
mary morgan
Yeah, and I have a bunch of...
I don't know if there was any follow through on that and I'm glad, but I And people were sending me pictures of like, this is my grandchild conceived via IVF and you're saying that they're a piece of shit who doesn't deserve to live?
How dare you?
That was very clearly not what I was saying.
And this is just par for the course if you have any criticism of it whatsoever.
And then you see the logical conclusion of that.
It's just eugenics.
phil labonte
Well, yes.
Well, I mean, all of this stuff is like, there's a lot of people that are very comfortable with eugenics and I think the future is going to be full of eugenics programs.
And I think that that's something that people are going to want.
Because people, they're going to be like, look, do I want to have my kid, you know, fall behind when I can actually make sure that my kid gets, you know, every advantage out there?
You know?
That's something that people are going to be attracted to, don't you think?
tim pool
Sure, for all the reasons.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
So the chat got it for us.
It was called The Uglies.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
tim pool
In a future society, everyone undergoes surgery at age 16 to become pretty, genetically modified to be beautiful and physically perfect.
So it's an upcoming Netflix film.
Thank you, chat.
unidentified
Netflix.
tim pool
We have the power of 60-some thousand people who can just give us the answers to anything What do I need AI for?
I'm going to start a company, and I'm going to claim to be AI, but it's actually just Timcast IRL chat.
phil labonte
And every answer is the USS Liberty.
tim pool
To be fair, that's not our chat.
That's somebody else's.
phil labonte
It's someone else's chat.
The uglies.
tim pool
Whenever you need an answer, you just say something wrong on the internet.
phil labonte
Yeah, what's the joke?
tim pool
It's like, how do you find the right answer on the internet?
Post the wrong one?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's how you do it.
Actually, that was a really funny thing.
I think this actually happened.
On Quora and stuff, there will be a bunch of questions that never get answered.
Someone will be like, hey, I'm trying to do this thing.
How does this work?
And then nobody answers.
So what you're supposed to do is put the wrong answer.
And then someone's going to come and be like, oh, yeah?
All right, my friends.
Smash the like button.
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phil labonte
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tim pool
Sometimes Sasquatch.
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All right.
Shanice Wilder says from the IVF story earlier today, the real horror is that people are playing God with genetic engineering.
Pick the perfect baby and kill the rest.
The transhumanistic nightmare just gets worse.
phil labonte
That's exactly what we were just talking about.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
Elder Zimraya says, if Trump had already invoked the Insurrection Act to take care of the immigrants and judges, nobody would have taken Elon seriously.
phil labonte
Invoke the Insurrection Act to take care of the immigrants and the judges.
tim pool
Well, I'm saying that it overrides the judges.
To deal with the problem of judges, you invoke the Insurrection Act and just bypass them.
Although, I do think Trump was actually planning for that.
Jay Dirtbiker says, per Timcast tradition, I am writing this rant from the delivery room of the hospital, patiently awaiting the arrival of my first child.
Can't wait to meet my baby girl.
Hashtag have more babies!
drew hernandez
Congrats.
tim pool
Yep.
My kid is now moving her head.
Great milestone in being a baby.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Well, because for a while their heads are flopping around all crazy, you know?
and they can't move them.
Now she can, and she's like...
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Looking at the world, looking at stuff, and then complaining about it.
Taking after her dad.
phil labonte
Let's go.
tim pool
Annie P13 says, Democrats wouldn't have released files if Trump was in there.
Come on.
You mean Democrats would have released the files if Trump was in there?
phil labonte
I think that's what I mean.
tim pool
Hans1PK says, Mary, does nothing ever happen?
mary morgan
I guess things happen, but nothing ever changes as a result.
That's why I say nothing ever happens.
tim pool
It's a micro-change, you know?
Actually, no, I agree with Mary.
I completely agree.
We were just talking about this before the show.
I was in Winchester and I saw a gaggle of Gen Z women and they were dressed like emo kids from 2003.
unidentified
I think one of them was.
mary morgan
A studded belt?
phil labonte
JNCOs.
mary morgan
Well, they're not JNCOs, but they're made to look like trip pants.
The trip pants.
tim pool
Probably one of them.
mary morgan
The studded belts.
tim pool
Yeah, all that stuff.
mary morgan
Yeah, and the chokers and everything.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And I was just like, why are they dressing the way me and my friends used to dress?
We're old.
We don't do that anymore.
mary morgan
It's funny because I feel like that used to signal that you had a certain like value system or music taste or something like that or belong to a subculture or social circle.
But it doesn't signal any of those things anymore.
Like those girls probably listen to Sabrina Carpenter and like they just dress like that because that's what's in.
unidentified
It proves my point.
tim pool
I've been saying this.
We are not going to see the cultural shift with the next generation the way we've seen it with every previous generation.
The reason why music trends changed was because the younger generation was always bigger than the previous generation.
If I am a cheeseburger salesman and, like, there's a bunch of 20-year-olds, there's two times as many 20-year-olds as 40-year-olds, all of my marketing is going to be targeting the 20-year-olds.
So when you're making music, what are you selling?
Whatever it is the biggest market share wants.
There's no young people anymore.
So the biggest market share is still millennials and older Gen Z. So what happens?
Hot Topic is still open because millennials still shop there.
Spencer's is still open because millennials shop there.
Then what happens?
Some Gen Z young kid goes to the mall and what do you have to buy?
Hot Topic.
There's no Gen Z-centric store because there's not enough Gen Z or Gen Alpha to buy any of this stuff.
mary morgan
Have you been in a Hot Topic as of late?
unidentified
Yes.
mary morgan
It's not really what it used to be.
They sell like Funko Pops and Anthony figurines.
tim pool
Yes, I know.
That's always been the case.
Yo, it's wild when I go in there.
mary morgan
It's not like banned Like, yes, they have them.
tim pool
It was never like that.
You'd go in there, they have a Batman logo.
Nightmare Before Christmas has been in the window of Hot Topics for 32 years.
Still there.
mary morgan
Oh, they're selling Twilight merch as well.
tim pool
Exactly.
Because it's just whatever millennials were into because that's the bigger market share.
And so, you know, young people are told what to like and they like it.
And I'm not saying this of Gen Z or Gen Alpha.
It's literally when millennials were young, music was made, and young people were told, this is the music you're going to listen to, and it was put on the radio.
It was made to target a new demographic.
Older people were like, ah, put on the classic rock station.
I want to listen to music that I like.
But there were more young people to listen to the new pop songs and to be attracted to new music.
Now it's not there anymore.
So when you go to the mall, they're just going to say, who buys the most stuff?
Millennials.
Not only is Gen Z small, but they're broke too.
So what happens?
The Gen Z that does want to buy stuff, what can they buy?
Whatever it is millennials like.
phil labonte
That just means that we're stuck with millennials for the rest of our lives.
tim pool
Millennials is the last...
When millennials are 60, you're going to go to the mall and it's going to be Nightmare Before Christmas.
mary morgan
And millennials have enough money to buy Funko Pops, just not houses.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
They're buying tickets to the When We Were Young Fest and the Ego Cruise.
phil labonte
I couldn't believe it.
tim pool
No beef to Bayside, because I'm a fan.
But I don't really listen to them anymore.
But I saw one of their videos where they have like 5,000 to 10,000 people screaming and cheering at When We Were Young.
And I'm just like, damn.
Bayside bringing in those ticket sales.
mary morgan
Have you seen what the All-American Rejects is up to lately?
tim pool
No.
drew hernandez
All the house party shows?
mary morgan
Yeah, they're on a house party tour where they're doing a bunch of free shows leading up to a real tour where they're opening for the Jonas Brothers, actually.
But there are a bunch of Zoomers going to these house party shows that are free.
And they're listening to the All-American Rejects for the first time because they didn't.
It's like the first time they'd heard of the All-American Rejects.
Because they just want to go to parties.
Like, Zoomers are just like, whoa!
Like, they're commenting on these TikToks saying like, this is like those parties that are like in the movies that I've watched.
I want to go to one of those.
Looks like people are finally having fun, like, outside?
tim pool
Yo, the world is...
unidentified
In a lot of ways.
tim pool
We had the 90s.
It was great.
Massive economic expansion, the end of the Cold War.
Just goofing off, being lazy, getting the internet.
And now, they didn't have any kids, so Gen Alpha's cooked.
And Gen Z, because Gen Xers weren't having a lot of kids, so Gen Z is a little bit smaller than millennials.
That means that older Gen Z are going to still be, like, this is the trend.
Older Gen Z did not get new culture the way generations typically do, so they were attracted to millennial stuff, creating a massive millennial marketplace.
And there's...
They don't have kids, so...
The other example I brought up is the Tony Hawk remaster.
They tried making Tony Hawk 5. It crashed.
So they're like, we'll remake 1 and 2. And millennials were like, oh!
Anybody remember this gem?
phil labonte
Do you remember this?
drew hernandez
We're in the remake era.
With movies, video games.
tim pool
But this is why the Disney movies are flopping.
And I think the Harry Potter thing is going to flop too.
drew hernandez
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
Because it made Snape black.
Snape is supposed to be a gangly, scrawny white guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What happens is...
I was like, yeah, they're remaking Harry Potter.
And she goes, why?
The movies were perfect.
And I was like, well, I think remakes are fine to do.
And if they do it as a series, you've got seven seasons that can be more fleshed out with more episodes.
And she was just like, yeah, but when they made those movies, the CGI and the technology was good to make them good.
You don't need to remake them the way we did before because movies didn't have the technology.
So they remake movies now with new CGI.
drew hernandez
Update them with, yeah.
tim pool
So the issue I see...
I am.
We're the Harry Potter base.
We grew up with this.
We're not going to watch the HBO Harry Potter series.
mary morgan
Is it because of the Snape race swap or something else?
I feel like you wouldn't have watched it anyway, but the Snape race swap is just the cherry on top of a shit cake.
tim pool
It's probably the icing on the shit cake.
drew hernandez
Yeah.
tim pool
more than just the chariot.
mary morgan
I think they also race swapped Hermione, One way or the other.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like only a little bit.
drew hernandez
Only slightly.
tim pool
Like a little swarthy, but that's okay.
mary morgan
Hard to tell.
tim pool
The thing is that Snape is described as this gangly, long-haired white dude.
And they've just really changed it.
This is why Little Mermaid flopped.
I want to see Ariel.
I want to see, when I grew up, when I was a little kid, I saw Little Mermaid and there's Ariel.
And then they said, we're not going to give you that.
We're going to have a young black one play Ariel.
And I said, okay.
That's fine.
Make whatever movie you want.
That's not the nostalgia feeling millennials were looking for.
They were looking for their childhood to come back and you did not give that to them.
I got no beef with that young one who did the movie.
She's a great singer.
Congratulations.
You got to be in a Disney movie.
But the movie flopped.
And I think it's because millennials were like, I'm not buying that.
And Gen Z ain't big enough and Gen Alpha ain't big enough to actually maintain that market.
Additionally, why are the Marvel movies flopping?
It's not just because they tried getting woke in that last period.
It's because the Marvel movies took off with Chris Evans, Hemsworth, and Robert Downey Jr.
Now they're gone.
mary morgan
They're bringing back Robert Downey Jr.
tim pool
That's right.
And they're going to make money when they do.
And I think they're giving Robert Downey Jr. like $100 million or something.
mary morgan
It was some insane amount.
drew hernandez
For Secret Wars and Doomsday.
tim pool
And I'm going to go see them.
I really don't want to see Fantastic Four.
I can't stand Pedro Pascal.
drew hernandez
It's the Mary Sue Storm movie.
tim pool
I don't care about that.
I care that Pedro Pascal is in every single movie all the time.
drew hernandez
Well, he's the perfect beta male.
That's why he's cast in everything.
tim pool
I guess.
drew hernandez
He is the guy you walk over in all these movies.
tim pool
He's a terrible Reed Richards.
What are they doing?
What's the name of the actor they got in the multiverse movie?
Who played Reed Richards?
phil labonte
I don't remember.
drew hernandez
Oh, from The Office.
tim pool
Yeah.
He was great.
drew hernandez
Yes.
tim pool
And it's just like, everybody was really excited because that was a fan choice.
And then they had him do a brief cameo and then he's gone.
They killed him.
Don't worry, Pedro Pascal's coming back and we're like, ugh.
So I actually think Fantastic Four will do bad.
That's my bet.
What do you think it'll do?
mary morgan
Did you watch Thunderbolts?
drew hernandez
Agree.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And it did bad.
mary morgan
Yeah, it flopped.
tim pool
Yeah.
Which is sad.
I mean, it did $350 million.
mary morgan
I thought I heard ticket sales for Fantastic Four.
The pre-sales were good.
tim pool
Are they?
I mean, it's an established, well-known brand.
drew hernandez
But you had a Captain America movie, an Avengers movie, because they changed the name to New Avengers.
tim pool
Right.
drew hernandez
So you technically have an Avengers movie.
tim pool
Yeah, but come on.
drew hernandez
If that were to have come out in the era you're talking, the Golden Age...
would have blown up.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, but see what happens is...
drew hernandez
And it's been freaking out.
mary morgan
Aside from Deadpool and Wolverine, which was huge for them.
tim pool
But that's only technically Marvel.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Because Fox just sold and all that stuff.
drew hernandez
And that was nostalgia.
tim pool
Right.
drew hernandez
That's why it worked.
tim pool
But Ryan Reynolds is fantastic, so Deadpool works.
It was like one of the only successful Fox Marvel things they did.
The issue is that...
That is when the MCU died.
Now you may be saying, but hold on, wait a minute.
Endgame came out and got $2 billion.
Indeed.
And Captain Marvel ruined it, and people stopped watching after that.
That's when it went...
they thought that Brie Larson would replace Robert Downey Jr.
And it was so shockingly...
Stupid.
Everyone hated her.
It didn't work.
And then they had to erase her.
So Captain Marvel did like a billion dollars.
And the only reason it did is because everyone wanted to see Endgame and they wanted to know how the story was going to tie into it because it was like a prequel.
And then they saw how awful it was.
I remember when Pirates of the Caribbean 2 came out.
I went to see it opening.
I did not go see Pirates of the Caribbean in theaters.
I was hanging out with my friends and then someone was like, hey, have you guys seen Pirates of the Caribbean?
And I was like, no.
They played it and I went, oh my god, that movie's amazing.
And I saw it in some dude's living room.
So when the second one came out, I was like, we gotta go see part two.
And it sucks.
It was awful.
It makes no sense and there's no ending.
And then I saw the commercials where it's like the number one movie in America.
I was like, no.
No, no, no, no, no.
Pirates 1 is the number one movie in America.
Everybody just wants to relive that good movie so they're going to see this crappy one.
And that's exactly what happens.
So people want to go see Captain Marvel because everybody liked the previous MCU movies.
Captain Marvel was so bad, the sequel bombed.
Avengers Endgame.
I said it before.
There were two moments when the entire theater I was in groaned.
Do you know what those moments were?
drew hernandez
Brie Larson on screen.
tim pool
When Brie Larson gets headbutted by Thanos but doesn't flinch.
Everyone, oh, like...
drew hernandez
Cringe.
tim pool
Even the strongest heroes get hit and take a hit.
It was super cringe.
And then when all the women started like, she's not alone, and they all stand up, and it does all the women, the whole audience started groaning.
And I'm like, that was the end.
That's when, you know, and Kevin Feige went and fired all the woke people, and he's trying to bring it back, bring back Robert Downey Jr., trying to save his fractured, broken franchise.
Now they're just burning money on it.
It's sad.
Anyway, let's read Super Chats.
What say you, good audience?
phil labonte
His name was John Krasinski.
tim pool
Yes, yes, yes, he was great.
Although it was really dumb how he's like, I'm gonna grab Wanda.
Oh no, I exploded.
What are you doing?
Anyway.
Percent Time says, Tim, you didn't read my super chat last night about being in the delivery room, so now I'm asking you to shout out the newest member of my family, my daughter, Catherine Diane.
Shout out!
unidentified
Welcome to the world!
tim pool
Alright.
More babies.
What have we here?
Mark Giudetti says, Elon needs rehab.
Deport Bannon.
This is his fault.
How is it Bannon's fault?
Common Sense Fishing says, hate to say I told you so, but I super chatted this a long time ago.
Reminded everyone Trump was president when Epstein bit it.
Also possible reason why they now say it's all self-harm and haven't released the list.
EV issues.
I mean, a lot of people were saying that.
When Bongino was like, he killed himself.
It was like, does it incriminate Trump?
That's why you're saying this?
But Cash seems pretty stone-faced.
Like, look, I've seen it.
It's not what you want it to be.
phil labonte
I just want him to release it.
drew hernandez
Yeah, but seeing what?
Seeing what was left behind for you to see, and now you're telling us.
tim pool
I don't even care about that.
Just release the documents.
Epstein could be on a private island with a body double taking his place for all I care, as long as you give us the evidence.
drew hernandez
Yeah, we want the files.
tim pool
I mean, to be fair, it would be bad if Epstein is still alive.
I'm just saying.
The concern is not that.
It's like, sure, we want to know, but we want the list.
We want the clients.
Anyway.
phil labonte
Who was raping children and why are they in jail?
mary morgan
What kind of clapback is that?
unidentified
Because of the beef on the timeline today?
mary morgan
Is that a happening?
phil labonte
Because of the drama on the timeline.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Sean Kuhn says, there is no MAGA civil war.
It's an engineered narrative.
PR, the Epstein list is a red herring.
I don't know about all that.
Robert Poynter says, MAGA is not Trump.
I think Trump and the RNC should have backed the Doge mission and not chosen inflation and pork.
That being said, they are both acting like children and the adults have left the room.
phil labonte
It's not inflation and pork.
I mean, there is pork in there, yes.
But, like, inflation is right now, like I said, it's at the lowest point it's been since inflation started running at the end of COVID, right?
The number's like 2.1, which is exactly where the Fed wants it.
And I don't think that, you know, enshrining the tax cuts as permanent is going to make inflation worse.
tim pool
No Epstein file release, no info on drones, no actual cuts to spending.
Big B spending bill is anti-American.
Adds $2 trillion in debt.
House of Cards.
Yep.
phil labonte
What info on drones are you talking about?
The ones that were going over in Jersey?
tim pool
I thought that most people were of the opinion that all the focus on the drones in Jersey was because Yeah.
It was a government contract for drone testing, which were the larger drones.
Those sightings resulted in people launching their own drones.
Commercial wants to search for other drones, which resulted in people spotting those drones.
And then some people thought planes were drones.
phil labonte
I thought that there was a lot of...
I thought the media kind of was like focusing on the drones and all the stories.
So that way, Hunter Biden's story was kind of snuck out in there.
He's like, oh, yeah, he did, you know.
But, anyhow.
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Steve X says, looks like Elon agreed not to decommission the dragon.
Just announced an axe.
He agreed for the better of America.
What is this?
I can't read your name.
Is it going to pop up?
phil labonte
He should have had a snack before he got on Twitter.
They both should have.
They should have both had a nice big, big mac and some fries.
tim pool
The dad from beyond says, Marvel is dying, but DC seems to be on the rise.
Thoughts on the upcoming Superman film?
Well, I don't know.
But I think Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner is going to be epic, and I really love the scene.
We've not seen a lot, but the scene where he's walking and he flicks the hand to take out the trucks was great, Guy Gardner.
I think Crypto was a bad choice, and there's a reason why we don't include the children's TV show version of Superman in our movies, but fine, I guess.
So I'm excited for it.
I do think I'm a fan of Mr. Terrific.
Great character.
Really excited to see him on the big screen.
So I'm definitely going to go see the new Superman.
phil labonte
You'll go to the movies to see it?
tim pool
Absolutely.
Definitely.
Yeah, opening previews.
I just love the Guy Gardner, Nathan Fillion.
I'm excited for that.
I think he'll do a great job.
phil labonte
There were people complaining about his haircut, and it's like, that's the comic book.
tim pool
It's Guy Gardner.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm excited to see him.
He's going to be great.
Yeah, I don't know about the Hawkman and Hawkgirl stuff or whatever, but I thought, I think Peacemaker was a great show.
But I'm a fan.
I think the Peacemaker show was good.
phil labonte
I didn't see Peacemaker.
tim pool
I enjoyed it.
Yeah.
The reboot of Suicide Squad was okay.
Peacemaker was good.
And they got Guy Gardner.
Nathan Fillion's Guy Gardner is in Peacemaker Season 2. Yeah.
drew hernandez
So yeah, I think it was The Hollywood Reporter.
I can't remember.
unidentified
John Cena.
drew hernandez
But I do think that he's focusing on like a six to ten year expanding universe starting with this new Superman.
tim pool
Yeah.
drew hernandez
If it goes well.
tim pool
I think Marvel.
I've always been a bigger fan of DC than Marvel.
So it's always been disappointing to see how they flubbed all the movies.
Wonder Woman was good.
But man, did they kind of screw it.
Shazam was good.
Okay, so I'll give them those.
But man, they really screwed them all up.
phil labonte
I liked Man of Steel.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
I like the Justice League stuff, especially the Snyder Cut, even though it's four hours.
I thought it was cool they had Doomsday in it.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
You had to.
That was the problem.
phil labonte
Darkseid was in the Snyder Cut, too.
Sorry, go ahead.
tim pool
Right.
No, the problem with the theatrical release was that Steppenwolf was the main villain, and it's like, who?
phil labonte
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
And they basically tried to do Infinity War.
Those are the problem with Justice League.
They were like, can we do Infinity War before Marvel does?
Like the mother boxes in Darkseid.
No, you can't.
You need to do the individual movies to establish the characters and then force them to come together.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
No, they didn't do that.
phil labonte
It's dumb, but still.
Like, I think that Henry Cavill's like the best Superman possibly ever.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
phil labonte
He was great.
tim pool
And Batman v Superman was a huge error.
phil labonte
I thought, look man, I thought that movie was good too.
tim pool
Why did you say that name?
phil labonte
I liked that movie as well.
tim pool
It's okay, but he's like, you're letting him kill Martha!
Martha!
My take on that is like, a little kid would be like, your mom is named Martha?
That's my mom's name!
We could be friends!
Like, what?
You're just trying to kill him.
phil labonte
This is lazy writing.
tim pool
But what was miserable about it is that they should have just followed the comic.
And that is, Superman points the spear, I'm sorry, Batman points the kryptonite spear at Superman and says, let this be the day you never forget the day I defeated you, and then throws the spear away, and then helps him up.
Because the point was, you are not invincible and I can destroy it at any moment and never forget.
Instead, he was like, wait, your mom is the same name as my mom?
Why am I trying to kill you?
We got so much in common!
phil labonte
Some lame stuff.
Very lame.
tim pool
Some lame stuff happened.
phil labonte
Overall, I still like the movie.
I like Ben Affleck.
I like Ben Affleck as Batman.
I think that Henry Cavill was the best Superman going.
Overall, I was pleased.
I was entertained.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
Jacob Schmidt says, when you have a population having kids through in vitro, bad traits aren't bred out, and vanity traits may be selected.
Then the state is required to have the kids for the rest of time.
Well, the issue that I see with it immediately is that we don't, the problem we have right now is we don't know the direct correlation between certain traits.
So that may mean right now that like, hey, you know, minus 20% hypertension.
That's good.
I want that kid.
And then it turns out later that that correlates with an increase in brain cancer or something.
So I do think AI will sort all that stuff out after we get the data.
Meaning after people start choosing for these things and they can correlate hypertension with cancer cells, then the AI is going to be like, oh, by the way.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Still not going to be for generations.
tim pool
Generations?
phil labonte
Yeah, you won't be able to, you won't find out who actually has like, Right.
tim pool
But I guess by generations, it's just going to be years.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So after five years, they may have enough data.
Actually, no, you're right.
Some of these cancers may not come to fruition for 40 years.
phil labonte
You have to wait until they actually get older.
tim pool
Indeed.
The Glower Deluxe says, I'm a single, late Gen Z. Don't take my goth girls, I swear to God.
Yours?
You took them from us!
Cringe.
phil labonte
Don't be silly.
Don't be silly.
tim pool
Michael Edkin says, Trump froze the United for Ukraine visa program.
My I-134A humanitarian parole visa for my fiancé is paused because of Trump's executive order.
And the K-1 visa has taken a while.
My fiancé's city was just hit by two rockets.
I mean, it's miserable.
I feel bad.
I don't think Russia should have invaded Ukraine and all that, but I just don't think we should be involved, especially if Ukraine's attacking us.
That's crazy.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine false flag attacked us and tried to blame Russia.
Zelensky keeps saying Russia's going to attack America.
phil labonte
I really hope.
I really hope that's outside of the realm of possibility.
tim pool
Well, according to Germany, it was several Ukrainians who bombed the Nord Stream pipeline.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So that is our ally having their energy access cut off by...
phil labonte
I thought Biden made some kind of remark like that as well, which is part of why people thought that it was the U.S. that actually sabotaged it in the first place.
Right after it happened, there were a lot of people that were saying, oh, it was probably the SEALs, it was probably the SEALs.
See, Biden said this, blah, blah, blah, and they would bring up the clip, you know, tweet it.
tim pool
All right.
X-Tin Man says, is Mary the ghost of Ukraine?
phil labonte
The ghost of Kiev?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
The fighter pilot?
mary morgan
Yes.
I moonlight as a fighter pilot.
tim pool
Zero News says, in regards to cryptids, check out the game Horrified.
Okay.
Or Fallout 76. Fallout 76 is based in West Virginia.
And a lot of the big monsters are literally just the West Virginia cryptids.
Only they're saying the radiation caused them.
phil labonte
Great game.
tim pool
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Drew, do you want to shout anything out?
drew hernandez
Yeah.
You guys can follow me on Rumble as well.
Rumble.com slash Drew Hernandez.
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mary morgan
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phil labonte
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tim pool
We will see you all at rumble.com slash timcastirl in about 30 seconds.
Thanks for hanging out.
drew hernandez
What is this on the left?
unidentified
Is it just floating over OBS?
tim pool
We just got weirds.
We switched the computer like three times.
Fourth computer?
We got too many computers already.
Anyway, the things we do for you guys to get this show running, you have no idea.
phil labonte
We love you.
Immensely.
tim pool
I'm punching bricks.
Screaming.
Computer broke again.
I kind of feel like the world's falling apart.
The simulation is breaking down.
Wouldn't you guys agree?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I still feel like the attempt by Doge and the victory of Donald Trump were massive white pills for me.
I was very black-pilled before Donald Trump got elected.
I thought that he wasn't going to win.
I thought that the powers that be had too much control, and I was proven wrong.
So ever since that happened, I'm like, man, maybe?
Maybe things do happen.
tim pool
We actually did not have any kind of error just now.
As Johnny Drum in the Discord points out, we were just honoring Black Lives Matter.
With a black screen.
phil labonte
Black rectangle.
tim pool
Black rectangle.
We gotta do our part.
unidentified
It's time, guys.
phil labonte
It's time.
tim pool
Massachusetts Democrat city council are charged with assault, interfering with police after obstructing ICE operation.
Okay, just lock her up.
Put her in prison, and then I don't even want to read about it.
I don't want to know her name.
Her name is Haxiaj?
Is that what her name is?
Or is Postmillennial just running gibberish these days?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
Look at all these typos.
mary morgan
Oh yeah, that is actually her last name.
tim pool
Oh it is?
mary morgan
Ha!
tim pool
I thought it was a bunch of typos.
Ethel Haxiaj.
unidentified
Ethel.
tim pool
Okay, I gotta be honest, that's actually a pretty cool name.
Keyboard smash.
But what's with all the weird semicolons Postmillennial put in?
Who made this?
Copy-paste.
Copy-paste, is that what it is?
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
I don't know.
It's just all over.
She pressed the wrong button?
Was she meaning to press?
Oh.
Because she was trying to do quote, quote?
But she pressed semicolon, semicolon, an accident?
phil labonte
Oops.
tim pool
No.
No, there's no quotes there.
Anyway, arrest the Democrats.
I'm just, I'm just, every day it's the same thing.
You know, I agree with Mary.
Some things happen, but nothing changes, is a good way to put it.
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Trump and Elon are screaming at each other, and tomorrow it's going to go back to normal like a sitcom.
I know everybody's going to wear the same clothes.
phil labonte
I'm going to wear my red shirt tomorrow just because.
So that way we're not all wearing it.
tim pool
I'm just saying Trump wears the same clothes as a TV show.
drew hernandez
I think it's the same thing with the judges, the judicial coup, these Democrats committing crimes, assaulting officers and agents.
phil labonte
There needs to be federal charges filed.
They need to stick.
tim pool
Merciless beatings.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, that'd be fun to watch.
mary morgan
Metaphorically.
phil labonte
No, it's the after show.
They don't have to be metaphoric.
tim pool
Oh, I was joking.
It's just fun to say merciless beatings, you know?
phil labonte
Stockade.
tim pool
Yeah, the stockade would be great.
What's the most amount of time you could reasonably put someone in there?
Like a day?
phil labonte
Yeah, like 36 hours, I think.
tim pool
Do it.
phil labonte
Overnight.
tim pool
I'm saying I think the penalty for crime should be they put you in a baby bonnet.
And a diaper and make you walk down the street in front of everybody.
mary morgan
Were there any results?
Were there any arrests that resulted from what happened in San Diego with all these protesters chasing out ICE agents?
tim pool
Probably not.
mary morgan
Two arrests?
unidentified
Two out of, what, like 50 people?
tim pool
Those are rookie numbers.
We gotta get those numbers up.
drew hernandez
Who got arrested?
Did any illegals get arrested?
unidentified
Yes, people that couldn't provide documents, I think.
drew hernandez
Okay, well, at least we got two.
unidentified
Yeah, at least we got two.
tim pool
Haxiage.
mary morgan
Insane.
tim pool
What a crazy name.
drew hernandez
At least we got two.
phil labonte
Needs to be more arrests.
There needs to be more people put in jail.
tim pool
There's no video of it, though, and there's a clip there.
I'm wondering to what extent she actually attacked these guys.
Because that rep, McIver, punched one of the feds.
She punched him.
mary morgan
They're spreading hashtag disrupt ice.
tim pool
Did you guys see the Nick Shirley video where it's like the dude goes, oh, the FBI was doing a human trafficking raid, and all these leftists are protesting, being like, they're kidnapping people.
It's like, well, if by kidnapping you mean arresting and by people you mean human traffickers, then indeed that's what they're doing.
I guess leftists don't like that either because they like the human trafficking.
phil labonte
I can't believe that the Democrats are so openly supporting actual criminals.
I really am surprised, to be honest with you.
After taking the pounding they did at the polls and losing so decisively, now they're still jumping out and saying, you know what, we have to defend not just people that are being deported, we have to defend the actual criminals.
It's a bold policy move.
drew hernandez
They love pedophiles, so...
Are pedophiles.
tim pool
You've got to be careful, aren't you?
drew hernandez
Both the same.
I mean, this is what they do.
They're all the same.
unidentified
All this salt might melt ice.
I don't know.
phil labonte
What?
tim pool
Is it all this salt might melt ice?
unidentified
Dude, I don't know.
It's a lot.
mary morgan
I guess what happened is the San Diego ICE did make arrests, not of the protesters, but then the protesters are trying to stop ICE vans from leaving the location in their neighborhood.
drew hernandez
That was the San Diego one, you said?
mary morgan
That's what I'm looking at right now, yeah.
tim pool
Just arrest everybody.
phil labonte
All of them.
drew hernandez
Yeah, I saw that footage.
It was a lot of people.
tim pool
Too many of them.
drew hernandez
Arrest them all.
tim pool
Lock them up.
Let's ask our dear viewers to chime in.
We've got Andre Biko.
Tell us, good sir, what say you?
unidentified
Hey, how y 'all doing tonight?
tim pool
Doing well.
phil labonte
Doing well.
unidentified
What's up?
Hey, yeah, so this is probably quite out there, but I thought it would be an interesting experiment.
Do you think that J.D. Vance is an Elon Musk plant?
And if so, how do you foresee Trump handling a rogue vice president if Vance were to break away from Trump with Elon's backing for a 2028 president?
phil labonte
Can you repeat that?
tim pool
I can't hear him.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, sorry.
I was just going to say...
tim pool
J.D. Vance is breaking away from Trump?
unidentified
No.
It was an idea that I was floating around with Vance.
tim pool
I don't see that it's happening.
Vance would be ousted in two seconds and he'd lose everything.
drew hernandez
Yeah, if he's going to run in 2028, he's probably going to need Trump.
phil labonte
Yeah.
drew hernandez
Politically, that's how I would say it.
phil labonte
You're going to want the blessing of the president.
Especially if things go well.
You know, if the Republicans actually win the midterms and the economy is doing well at the end of this Trump campaign.
You're going to want Donald Trump to say, yep, this is my guy.
Pat him on the back.
Off he goes.
So I don't get that sense at all.
So I'm sorry.
Do you got any thoughts?
unidentified
Oh, no.
It was something I was putting around on next earlier with him being so quiet and not really adding into the conversation.
Everyone was wondering if there was a risk forming between Trump and his cabinet and his people with Elon Musk's outburst.
Hmm.
phil labonte
I haven't heard any kind of comments or read any comments on X that would lead me to believe that.
tim pool
And even if that was the case, J.D. Vance is not going to get involved.
If he's supposed to be a plant, he's going to wait and then win an election.
phil labonte
Yeah, that makes sense to me as well.
drew hernandez
It would seem counterproductive to do that if you're going to run.
tim pool
August, did you want to add anything to that or shout anything out?
unidentified
That was about it.
It was just an interesting idea that I heard about.
Other than that, I'm not sure if y 'all remember, but I'm the guy who was doing the short film earlier this year.
jack posobiec
It's done.
unidentified
It's in post-production.
I can't wait to share it with y 'all on the Discord later this year.
phil labonte
That'd be great, man.
Can't wait.
tim pool
Sounds good, man.
Well, thanks for calling in.
phil labonte
Take care.
drew hernandez
Thank you.
tim pool
All right.
Next up, we've got Big Joe the Electrician.
phil labonte
What's up, Joe?
tim pool
How are you guys doing?
phil labonte
Doing well.
tim pool
Doing very well.
unidentified
Well, okay.
My question for tonight is for the whole panel, and that is, out of all the problems and scandals of the previous administration, what should be prioritized first?
And probably excluding the border and anything that's already been taken care of.
So anything that has yet to be taken care of.
tim pool
Civil Rights Division of the DOJ announced they're going after Wisconsin election system for not being compliant.
They need to have a proper complaint system so that when people have irregularities or issues with the elections, they have a means of rectifying that.
Step one!
But I'm excited to see that Harmeet is taking it very seriously, and they've got to go after every rogue Democrat state that's doing bullshit elections.
drew hernandez
Agree.
Election integrity and the mass deportations.
mary morgan
Yeah, I would like the, what, 10 million people that entered during, was it 20 million?
20 to 25. Yeah, the 20 million, the 25 million that entered during Biden's year.
tim pool
No, no, it was 10.5 million that entered during Biden, but there's a total of about 20 million, we believe.
And don't forget DACA.
mary morgan
Right.
tim pool
All of those.
But my parents brought me here when I was a kid.
That's why it's okay that I violate your laws.
No, it's not.
Goodbye.
But I don't live anywhere in that country.
You will soon.
Maybe it's under a bridge.
Literally don't care.
phil labonte
I mean, if you're going to have laws, you have to enforce them.
tim pool
I've met people in my day who were DACA recipients, they call it.
And I'm just like, so when are you leaving?
You are told they're going to deport you.
Instead of making arrangements so you can go to your home country and try and find a way to live, you've decided to stay here in the United States, crossing your fingers that some Democrat will violate the will of the American people to give you amnesty.
I say, you had ten fucking years to sort it out.
And we knew during the first Trump administration that he was saying, we're going to send you home.
So you had an additional eight years to sort it out.
Spare me.
unidentified
Goodbye.
Yep.
phil labonte
Does that answer your question?
unidentified
Well, at least that's an opinion you guys had.
My question kind of was, or at least my thought process of that was, like, the auto pen thing was a huge thing that I was kind of concerned about, was thinking it was more of a problem.
tim pool
The bigger problem is elections because if they do not break that – fix that system, then Trump just loses in two years.
The midterms are lost.
Then the Democrats win, and then they reverse anything that happened and guarantee no Trump ever happens again.
drew hernandez
And then mass amnesty to 25 million illegals that were brought here, and your elections are cooked forever.
unidentified
Cooked.
drew hernandez
At least for the next 50 years.
phil labonte
Yeah, they'll also start going after people that were supporting Donald Trump.
Podcasters and people that helped Trump win.
tim pool
Yep.
phil labonte
You know, it won't be...
Like, it'll be really, really bad.
unidentified
And they're already talking about it.
drew hernandez
Jamie Raskin, Jasmine Crockett.
phil labonte
Yep, there has to be...
And currently they think that they'll get back in, and they're already talking about how are they going to create laws that Musk broke.
They're going to investigate Musk just because Musk was helping Donald Trump, they say.
So there's only going to be more of what has happened to Donald Trump.
The Republicans really still need to win another couple elections, to be honest with you.
tim pool
Indeed.
They've got to win 2032.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
But as long as they secure 2028, then the census is going to happen.
And you give the Republicans...
phil labonte
That'd be crazy.
But it would also be great for the country.
Or it would be better for the country than if it was the Democrats.
Yeah.
Uninterrupted.
So, does that answer your question?
unidentified
Yeah, it pretty much did.
I've just, at least my one concern, I mean, the administration's already taking care of the border as much as they can.
There's only so much they can do as fast as they can, which they're taking care of that as fast as they can.
But the other concern that we always – well – There's the auto pen.
Who was actually in charge in the White House?
Who was actually calling the shots in the White House?
The rogue DOJ of the last administration.
I mean, we could go on and on.
I mean, the spoon's missing out of Tim's house.
I don't know.
Maybe the FBI could look into that, too.
So, yeah.
Cool.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, we're in agreement.
There's a lot of places to look for problems.
unidentified
But if you want to shout anything out?
Yeah, there's one thing I'd like to shout out.
That is, Alexa, play A War You Cannot Win by All Remains, Volume 10. Thank you very much.
tim pool
Right on, man.
Thanks for calling in.
phil labonte
Cheers.
unidentified
Thank you.
phil labonte
Have a good one.
tim pool
All right, next up we got Noble Six.
What say you?
unidentified
Look, so, So I guess I'll shift to a different question.
With all of the doge cuts to all these federal agencies where they're either firing a bunch of employees or incentivizing them to quit themselves, so obviously thousands of federal workers are leaving, I'm a little concerned that when The Democrats eventually come back into power because, I mean, I'm assuming that will happen unless they just fade into existence.
But at that point, do they start rapidly rehiring all these people and then simultaneously claiming a victory that they added X amount of jobs to the job market when really That's not really job creation.
They're just replacing shit that we didn't think was useful to begin with, but still claiming it's a win.
phil labonte
Yes, they will.
We were actually just talking about that a second ago.
The Democrats get back into power.
They will use the government to the fullest extent of their ability.
tim pool
I think they'll arrest Phil.
phil labonte
I know.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
But they will definitely...
tim pool
And I just want to make sure it's clear to everybody that Phil's the real talent behind the show.
He just tells me what to do.
I have nothing to do with anything.
You gotta take a look at what he's up to, huh?
phil labonte
He's lying.
He's lying.
I've never been to the White House in an official capacity.
It's a hush-hush thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What say you, Mary?
mary morgan
I wasn't even paying attention to the question.
tim pool
Oh, how rude.
Do you think the Democrats will share their dessert at lunch, or are they going to be mean?
unidentified
Excuse me?
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Come on, you have to have an opinion about that.
Democrats at lunch.
tim pool
Are Democrats going to abuse their power and put people in jail if Trump loses?
mary morgan
Loses?
Loses what?
tim pool
The midterms.
mary morgan
Oh, in the midterms.
tim pool
Or 2028.
mary morgan
What do you expect?
Yes.
tim pool
I think if the Democrats win, the first thing they'll do is bang a bunch of kids.
But they're probably doing that now.
mary morgan
You're in a mood tonight.
tim pool
What do you mean?
drew hernandez
That's their celebration.
tim pool
I'm just, you know, riffing with this guy.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I think that it's pretty clear that they will do the exact same thing.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
They're probably doing it now.
mary morgan
I'm just sad because it feels like Trump's term is already over and it's like people have already stopped thinking about it.
That's true.
And the midterms are all that matters.
phil labonte
That's part of the reason why we were like talking.
in November we're like, look, he's got like six months to a year to get some stuff done.
mary morgan
If he doesn't, Yeah, but it's not gonna.
No?
tim pool
Because it's so hard to do one primary.
mary morgan
He has unlimited resources.
Well, he didn't say that exactly.
tim pool
He's wrong.
mary morgan
He said tech needs Republicans for now.
tim pool
Money is never the issue.
mary morgan
Republicans need tech for the future.
tim pool
Money is never the issue.
It's people.
You can't do stuff without people.
You know?
mary morgan
I mean, if he can blast advertisements for primary candidate competition, yeah.
tim pool
Bloomberg tried that.
It did not work.
phil labonte
The people that Tim are talking about are the actual candidates that can win.
It's not just a matter of money, you know?
tim pool
Bloomberg dumped $550 million trying to muster up a campaign, and he was ridiculed the whole time, and his ads did nothing for him.
So, nah.
Elon can write a check for a huge amount of money to a guy and say, go do stuff.
The issue is he needs a guy to do it.
The issue is always people.
And it's real easy to burn money on bad people.
phil labonte
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
The left.
The left tend to believe that it doesn't matter the person.
You just put someone in the position and just as long as they're trained right.
tim pool
That's why communists starve to death.
phil labonte
Yeah, they'll be able to do things.
It's just not.
drew hernandez
Just throw a hundred million behind it.
phil labonte
It'll work.
tim pool
That's what they do.
drew hernandez
That's the thinking.
tim pool
Give the farm to the farmers, the laborers, and they'll make food.
And then they'll go, we have no idea what we're doing.
And then the actual farmer was the one directing the crop rotation and shit like that.
Then they starve.
phil labonte
That was a guy that I was talking to on X about funding for medicine.
He's like, oh, if we had more funding for medical school, we'd have doctors and things wouldn't be so expensive.
I'm like, that is absolutely a terrible idea.
People right now, medical malpractice.
That was his argument.
I was like, look, right now, medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the United States.
That's errors made by people.
It's already really hard.
To become a doctor.
mary morgan
I don't want more doctors from India.
phil labonte
Well, I don't want more doctors that don't know what they're doing.
mary morgan
I also don't want doctors from India, even if they know what they're doing.
phil labonte
Okay, fair enough.
You don't want doctors from India.
My point being, it's not just about money.
It's not just about funding.
It's not just about getting people to school.
It's about getting qualified candidates, people that can actually do it.
Just like Tim was saying, you can have the doctor, or you can have a politician and throw money at him, but if he's not an electable candidate, it doesn't matter.
There is a talent then.
tim pool
What was that?
You guys are just noticing my delicious seed-oil-free beef tallow potato chips?
phil labonte
Really?
unidentified
That's right.
phil labonte
I'm Vandy.
Where'd you get these?
On the internet?
tim pool
It's a potential sponsor.
They haven't sponsored us yet, but they gave it to them.
They gave them to us.
mary morgan
You're giving them free advertisement.
tim pool
Yeah, they're really good.
They're gonna be like, why give this fucking idiot money?
unidentified
He's trying.
mary morgan
I'm trying this for free.
tim pool
Or advertising for free.
They also have this one.
phil labonte
They are good.
tim pool
They're so good.
That's why I opened it.
Beef tallow potato chips.
phil labonte
You can tell that they're definitely beef tallow.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not suitable for vegetarians.
That's the best part.
mary morgan
I can't tell.
phil labonte
I can, very much.
tim pool
Yeah, you get a good one that's greasy.
And you're like, oh, that is like eating a steak.
unidentified
It's good.
mary morgan
The masa chips or whatever, I tried those two.
I couldn't really tell the difference, but if you're one of those seed oil freaks, maybe it's for you.
phil labonte
Seed oil freaks?
mary morgan
These are so good.
The seed oil hysteria has got to stop.
tim pool
You know, yes, but I would prefer beef taler regardless.
mary morgan
Yeah, yeah, for what it's worth.
tim pool
I just want to see the cow die, you know?
I want to see the fear in its eyes.
I want to eat its courage.
phil labonte
The light just fade from its face.
tim pool
We got a bunch of cows around us.
mary morgan
I thought you meant you got cows.
I was like, what?
tim pool
We want to get a mini cow.
But there's a pasture over here.
And in the springtime, it's a creek.
Only in the springtime.
Because the snow melts and then the water comes down.
And the cows, you'll be driving through and you're like a forest.
And you'll see cows standing in the creek drinking water.
And it is like the greatest thing you've ever seen in your life.
mary morgan
You can buy a share of a cow.
tim pool
Yeah, and then drink its milk.
Anyway, we had a caller.
Noble Six, what say you?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, that was the gist of it.
I was hoping to go into a lot more of the...
Actually, today on Grok, I asked it the same question, and at first it adamantly told me that it's most likely a real feud.
But then once I pointed out that Donald Trump has a long history of doing performative feuds, like in the professional wrestling WWE, By the end of my half-hour debate with Grok, then it said it actually agreed with me, with the chances being 60-40 that it's staged.
phil labonte
You beat Grok into submission.
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't have a sense that it's staged personally.
I think it's two dudes that, you know, have different goals and one has a more immediate goal, one has a longer term goal, and they're just trying to...
Because both of the goals are necessary, are important.
It's important to make sure that the economy keeps working, that we don't have major economic shocks, and you see all the signs pointing to problems with the economy, with the long-term health of the economy, but then there's the problems that are pointing to the short-term stuff like the The 10-year, the 30-year treasury bond.
So they both have a solid argument.
It's just, you know, who's going to be the one that gets his way?
It's most likely going to be Trump.
tim pool
My biggest problem right now is that I ran out of my cousin T's pure maple syrup.
And so I make waffles every morning because it's the only thing I know how to make.
And I got no maple syrup.
And so, you know, I'm kind of like, what do I do?
And I kind of feel like that's what a lot of Americans are thinking right now.
When we talk about this big omnibus bill and billions of dollars in directions, there's a guy sitting on his couch being like, what?
And then he's like looking at his cabinet and he sees his empty Aunt Jemima.
I'm sorry, Pearl Milling syrup.
And he's like, the problem that I am pressed with right now is that I need to go to the grocery store.
And the syrup costs $10.
So, you know, we get into the nitty gritty on this bill and all these crazy expenditures.
But I really do think like the average person is just going.
Huh?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's true.
tim pool
So it's like all I can really say is, well, it gets Trump's agenda done or it helps him in that regard.
So hopefully he's got a plan for it and your prices come down and then you'll get your maple syrup for your waffles.
Like me.
phil labonte
If you really want to get more Cousin Teas, you just got to call him up and have him come on the show and he'll bring you some.
tim pool
I just ordered a bunch.
Oh, there you go.
But I do have Cousin Teas blackberry syrup.
unidentified
No.
mary morgan
I use honey.
tim pool
What?
mary morgan
Yeah.
tim pool
Honey and waffles?
mary morgan
Yeah, it's really good.
tim pool
What?
Where are you from?
Seattle?
mary morgan
No, is that a Seattle?
tim pool
I don't know.
It just sounds like a Seattle.
mary morgan
I wasn't aware of that.
tim pool
Honey.
mary morgan
It's great.
phil labonte
Honey is good.
tim pool
Anyway, Noble Six, do you want to add anything else?
unidentified
Yeah, just because Mary's here and because you all were arguing something about Hollywood earlier.
I think it's been about a year, but I'm going to make another request pitch for the critical drinker to come on both your shows if possible.
Ooh.
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