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tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, I come to you tonight with grave news.
Currently ongoing, Democrats are staging an insurrection against federal authorities in an attempt to overthrow the government.
Already, Democrat reps have attacked federal law enforcement and a Democrat mayor has been arrested for insurrection.
Of course, this means that Republicans will be launching the 5-9 Commission to investigate why Democrats were storming into an ICE facility.
An attack like this has not occurred.
Since 9-11.
If only we were Democrats, that opening would be true.
But the reality is Democrats did storm an ICE facility.
A Democrat rep did attack federal law enforcement and storm her way into a federal facility.
And a Democrat mayor actually was arrested.
But I'm not so stupid to think that they were trying to overthrow the government.
They're just breaking the law.
But hey, if we want to, you know, tit for tat, I'll pull the law the way we're supposed to.
I say these people get, what, two, three years in solitary, and then we'll see how they feel about their insurrection.
That's the big news.
It's kind of crazy.
It's breaking right now.
It's currently unfolding.
We've got a lot of different video from here.
We've got a couple different stories as well.
Texas is going after Google announcing a major settlement for privacy invasion.
We've got Stephen Miller saying they're exploring suspending habeas corpus.
It's going to get crazy out there, my friends.
And then, of course, we've got Donald Trump signing an executive order to give free flights to illegal immigrants.
So we'll talk about all that before we get started, my friends.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Terry Schilling.
terry schilling
Thanks so much for having me, Tim.
I'm excited to be here.
Actually, I saw Pepper at the Mother's Day tea.
Yesterday.
It was awesome.
Your wife came.
tim pool
It was a great event.
terry schilling
It was great to have her.
And I'm just excited to be here.
I love seeing you as a dad.
I think that becoming a dad is a really important step.
And just becoming a more full human being.
And you are digging into it.
And it's just really cool to see.
So I'm excited to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
terry schilling
Well, I run American Principles Project.
The best way to describe what we do is we're big family.
There's big pharma, big oil, big tobacco.
We're big family.
We represent parents' rights and the innocence of children.
Most specifically, we fight against all the trans insanity.
So if you're transing kids or putting men in girls' sports or men in women's locker rooms, we're coming for you.
We're going to unelect you, run campaign ads against you, and we pass laws to help stop all this insanity.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Brett hanging out.
brett dasovic
Guys, what is going on?
It's Brett's Normally Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.
But I'm here tonight.
tim pool
Let's go.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal and all that remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Let's go.
tim pool
We have this from the New York Times, my friends.
Newark's mayor arrested at protest outside ICE detention center.
Well, you may have seen the videos.
It's quite alarming.
And upon seeing the New York Times headline, I felt they're trying.
They really are.
But they're not getting to the truth.
So I decided to help him out with a new headline.
Democrat insurrectionists lay siege to federal facility in attempt to overthrow government.
420 69th precinct cops dead.
Such an attack has not been seen since 9-11 and everyone is sad because Democrats are committing a Massive tragedy.
phil labonte
Massive tragedy.
tim pool
Massive.
terry schilling
It's just a specific number and a specific precinct.
tim pool
It is quite a coincidence.
The original joke we made, as I...
I didn't have the cops dying or whatever.
And then I realized, oh, we've got to lie about cops dying because they still do it to this day.
There was, I think it was Cash, was it Cash Patel, I think, was talking to some woman and she said insurrectionists beat and killed police officers.
And I'm like, they just make that stuff up.
They just make it up.
But we do have videos.
So let me show you what we got here.
This is the video of Newark Mayor Baraka being arrested.
unidentified
Check this out.
tim pool
There he is getting arrested.
And you may be wondering why, and it's because of this.
Check this out.
This is in the red right here, attacking federal law enforcement.
That's a Democrat rep.
And you can see Democrats.
And when I say Democrats storming an ICE facility, I'm not talking about, like, voters.
These are actual elected Democrats storming an ICE facility.
It's crazy.
I say lock them all up.
A couple of kids in solitary, maybe.
phil labonte
Actual prison.
terry schilling
What would they do to us?
What would they do to Marco Rubio?
What would they do to Trump?
unidentified
What would they do to a parent that had the audacity to go to a PTO meeting and say they didn't like the curriculum?
They might have the FBI look at them.
Throw them in jail.
Throw them in prison.
Let's get a trial going.
phil labonte
I want to see them go to prison.
terry schilling
Is this for clicks?
I mean, they're obviously trying to get arrested.
phil labonte
It is about...
It is connected to the fact that Democrats have nothing...
To actually run on.
Because essentially, again, they're at an ICE facility.
They're complaining about the quality of the place, whether or not it meets standards or whatever.
But really, they're just complaining that Republicans are going to go ahead and deport actual criminals.
And this is boilerplate stuff for the Democrats.
This is what they've been doing.
Standing up for criminals, not just standing up for people that are here illegally that are just trying to stand the radar and work a job, which I think they should get out of here too.
But the Democrats are actually looking to stand up for criminals because they're absolutely retarded.
terry schilling
Well, and they're all criminals themselves.
phil labonte
Yes.
terry schilling
Look, I think that Dems are in deep, deep trouble.
You know, there's two elections most recently where the incumbent president...
Maintain control of both chambers of Congress.
1998, Bill Clinton, Republicans overstepped on Lewinsky stuff.
And then 2002, when Dems were obstructing President Bush's national security agenda, I think that this is way worse than obstruction because this is destruction, right?
They are involved in an agenda that's destroying our kids, destroying our country, and they are representing criminals.
That whole Salvadorian guy, you know, the Maryland man hoax.
They had to pull the plug on that because they saw the numbers in the polling were so bad for them.
phil labonte
I want to agree with you, but I'm still of the opinion that...
Well, I agree with you on everything you're saying, but I am still of the opinion that the economy is still going to be the big factor when it comes to the midterms.
So if the economy is doing okay, which, I mean, as of right now, you have the...
The deal that they just made with the UK, there are a couple other deals that they started talking about.
If they can get actual deals and get the stock market to chill out and get the average person to feel like things are okay economically, I do think the Democrats are in serious, serious trouble.
If the economy is not there, then I'm iffy about it.
terry schilling
I think you're right.
brett dasovic
Does that lend a little bit of difficulty to Trump's approach, which is like, with all of the executive orders and everything that was done, I think I heard it described as like a...
I think that it could, but Donald Trump is a pragmatist.
phil labonte
He's not an ideologue.
He is going to do something, and if it doesn't work, he is going to change course.
He will come up with whatever story makes him look good, or however he can spin it to make him look good.
But even if it's almost a bold-faced lie, but he will...
Change course because what he does want is positive results for America.
He's not an ideologue.
He's not like, oh, we have to do this even if it costs me political points.
The thing that he wants is results for the American people.
terry schilling
Yeah, and he pays attention to the polls.
He is a very astute politician.
He knows how to sell this stuff.
I do think, though, Phil, the economy could be humming, but I was a little bit bullish because we all know Republicans tend to screw things up.
phil labonte
They are very good at that.
There is no denying that.
brett dasovic
Well then, okay, so let me ask you this.
So you mentioned that you said that Democrats don't really have anything to run on right now, or at least it's felt that way for a very long time.
If we were trying to, like, armchair quarterback for them and actually give them a platform that doesn't run them headlong into everything that Trump is doing, because most of what Trump is doing does seem as if it's at the very least good for the American economy down the line, how would Democrats change course and then find an actual...
terry schilling
I think the Trump question has been answered.
I think the American people want to move on.
We litigated.
He won in 2016, whatever the narrative is.
I think the 2020 election was rigged, but...
He wasn't in office, and then they put him back in in 2024.
So I think Americans want to move on.
I think the real opportunity is to have some reasonable Democrats pull a Tip O 'Neill, start working with them to secure the border, clean up immigration.
They know this stuff's a problem.
Kick out the violent offenders.
No one will punish Democrats for teaming up with Republicans to get out the violent offenders.
But I also think that there are some easy wins when it comes to tax policy.
Democrats are the party of tariffs.
You know, my dad was a one-term member of Congress.
The number one attack against him was that he wouldn't raise taxes on companies that ship jobs overseas.
Team up on that.
Go against the slave labor countries like China.
And I don't know.
I think it's now time for them to seem reasonable.
Drop the trans stuff.
Like, you gotta drop the trans stuff.
This is actually a 90-10 issue at this point.
Drop the trans stuff.
Stop transing kids.
Get this crazy stuff out of school.
Stop weaponizing the government against parents.
I don't know.
Moderate a little bit.
tim pool
The only position they have is...
Orange man bad.
brett dasovic
And they're too ideologically driven to do that.
So it's too embedded in their platform now, whatever that platform may be.
If you use Hollywood as the mouthpiece and the media as the mouthpiece, they've spent too long talking about 90-10 issues on the 10% that they can't walk that back in any meaningful way.
And I think that the ideological rot within the party makes...
Normally, they have to go towards wedge issues because all of the moderate policies go against the stronghold of the ideological people there.
phil labonte
Part of the problem is they've spent so much time demonizing Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is a populist, working class...
A pro-working class kind of guy.
He reshaped the Republican Party and now he owns the middle.
He owns the working class.
Democrats used to own the working class, but they have lost them because they decided to go with the racial identity politics and try to focus on that.
They could have aligned with Donald Trump and been extremely strong and had a lot of the policies that they preferred, economic policies that they preferred, have the president totally back them.
But they decided that they were going to treat him as if he was Hitler, blah, blah, blah, and try to demonize him.
And now I don't think that they have the ability to come back from that, like you're saying.
I don't think they have the ability to come back from that and actually become a middle-of-the-road party again.
Though I do think the opportunity is there, I just don't think that they have the people in the Democratic Party that'll do that.
terry schilling
Well, you're bringing this up, and I want to ask you the question, because, you know, I work in elections.
This is like my life.
Winning elections, the key to it is striking that delicate balance between firing up your base, making sure that they're motivated to go to the polls on election day, especially in his midterms, but then also not being too crazy for the moderates.
My question to you guys is, do you think that Democrats have jumped the shark and developed, with all their hysteria about Trump, developed a super extreme base that will abandon them in the midterms if they don't go crazy?
tim pool
Well, it's split.
So when we looked at Democrat favorability, for one, favorability generally is way down, but this is largely due to Democrats hating themselves.
AOC is the frontrunner in terms of favorability, but she has 10%.
So it is this massive field.
The reality is there is no Democratic Party anymore.
There is no unified presence.
There is no unified ideology.
There's no party mandate, and there's no leader.
So you've got a bunch of different worldviews, a bunch of different ideologies, and none of them get along with each other.
Except for we hate Trump.
terry schilling
Well, do you think Barack Obama, let's say he was, or you could get a third term, do you think if he ran for the nomination, do you think he would get it?
tim pool
No.
Oh, yes.
He won't win.
He's not going to win.
Obama represents a party that doesn't exist anymore.
Those middle-of-the-road voters that voted in Obama switched for Trump.
So, in fact, I would argue that if he did win...
The reason why I think he could win the primary, Super Delegates, and I don't think he'd have an easy go of it.
Right, he wouldn't have an easy go of it.
brett dasovic
Well, and there's nobody else with any even close to the name recognition that somebody like him has.
That's why they always float.
tim pool
Deporter-in-chief?
He can't stand right now.
brett dasovic
Look, I think there's a lot of, for the diehards who know that that happened or understand that, that may be one thing.
But for the average everyday person, they don't know that Barack Obama was called that, nor do they know anything about the amount of deportations that happened under his watch.
They have kind of rose-tinted glasses for those years, not realizing just how...
tim pool
The virtue signaling of the Democrat base would require them to bring up any and every issue.
So right now, considering all the ICE stuff, Obama's got no move.
brett dasovic
And back when he was in office was before the rise of social media and he really was kind of steel manned as the kind of savior that he was by the media.
And that kind of the bloom is off the rose when it comes to stuff like that now.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it's my sense that there's still a lot of normies that are not politically.
Plugged in that, like you said, they would still feel like, oh, Obama was great.
I don't know if they're enough to actually get him into office again.
But he did, I mean, he did lose, he lost votes in the second term.
People were like, all right, well, this wasn't quite what I had hoped for.
And I do absolutely think that a lot of the Trump voters, they are Obama voters.
You know, representative of what we were saying, which is the Democrats have lost the middle.
They've lost the working class people because they have been the party of the very rich and the dependent class for so long now, at least.
10 to 15—10 years at least, you know?
brett dasovic
Do the Republicans still struggle in the midterms, though?
Without Trump on the ballot, they tend to struggle, and it seems like they lose seats whenever—like, they lost seats when Trump was in his first term, when they went into the midterms, if I remember correctly.
I could be misremembering that.
And then, you know, red wave.
No.
Like, it feels like when he's not on the ballot, the base is not motivated to come out in the same way.
phil labonte
That's true, but they tend to— Party in power does tend to lose in the midterms.
So, you know, there wasn't a red wave, but I do think that the Republicans still won more seats in Biden's midterm than...
I don't think that the Democrats took over.
I don't remember exactly, but...
brett dasovic
But that's what I'm saying, though.
Like, when Trump isn't on the ballot and if he's in office, then it feels like they're going to lose, like you said, because they are in power right now, so they're going to cede some seats.
phil labonte
I think...
I think that partially it depends on the map, but I think that it's likely that they'll lose some seats.
But the way that the people that are up for election, if I understand correctly, it's favorable to the Republicans.
terry schilling
Yeah, no, the Senate map is very bad for Democrats because they have a bunch of open seats that are held right now by Democrats.
There's not a lot of competitive seats with Republicans as incumbents.
unidentified
Good.
terry schilling
And plus they have Georgia, which I think we could actually take back this year.
Awesome.
phil labonte
Just as long as Marjorie Taylor Greene doesn't run.
I'm not liking that.
I mean, she can be fun and funny, but...
unidentified
What?
tim pool
You think she'll lose?
phil labonte
I think she'll lose, yeah.
I think she's a little too extreme for the average Georgia voter, personally.
tim pool
I don't know.
I'm looking at...
I mean, Democrats just stormed an ICE facility.
Everybody's...
There's no middle.
And I think what Democrats are doing here is going to be bad news for them.
It's going to be eaten up by Republicans who are going to be like, see?
If you want chaos, vote Democrat.
Trump's offering up plans.
Here's what I want to do.
Here's what I hope will happen.
And some say those plans are bad.
Democrats don't even have plans.
phil labonte
Listen, there's nothing that I want more than to be wrong about that.
I want to see Republicans take the Senate and take the House.
Absolutely.
I'm apprehensive about if they're actually capable of doing it.
It's not like I'm like, oh, screw her.
I would love to see Marjorie Taylor Greene win.
I just don't think that it'll happen.
terry schilling
Can I get something on my chest real quick?
No, you can't.
This big, beautiful bill that they're talking about.
So we are so close to actually, for the first time ever, defunding Planned Parenthood.
It is very close, but there's like 10 members in these tough districts who are raising holy hell about it.
My problem is this.
You have...
Planned Parenthood gets over a half a billion dollars a year in federal funding to abort more babies, sterilize more women, and sterilize children through these transgender surgeries.
We have a birth dearth.
We have $37 trillion in debt.
And on top of that, Planned Parenthood is going to spend another $60 million on electing Republicans this year.
And I just don't understand.
Like, if this was a pro-life, you know, crisis pregnancy center network all across America helping people have babies, there's no question Democrats would cut that.
In fact, we don't have anything even close to the Planned Parenthood.
unidentified
I mean, look, I...
phil labonte
I don't know, but I know that because of how...
I don't know what's wrong with those guys, but I know that because of omnibus bills and because you want to get your stuff passed, you have to eat a ton of garbage to get your stuff passed.
Everyone just...
Pours their pet projects into the garbage pail, and then everyone says, well, we hate all the stuff that you're going to get, but at least we're getting all of our stuff, so they hold their nose and vote it.
I hate omnibus bills for that reason, but we just don't have the votes to actually have the bills that we want passed, so the stuff you get, you have to do with omnibus.
tim pool
The only way to have the votes is to have like 275 plus.
It's never going to happen.
Congress is dead.
Congress is a dysfunctional branch of the government.
terry schilling
All we need is a new president.
The presidency is overpowered.
tim pool
Well, but you've got a judiciary and an executive branch that are both in and of itself.
terry schilling
Judiciary is way overpowered.
tim pool
Right, and the legislative is doing nothing.
So the judges are giving these universal mandates, which are unconstitutional, and Donald Trump is trying to use every semantic argument he has under codified law to do what he wants to do.
You've got two branches that are asserting extreme authorities, and then you've got the legislative branch doing nothing.
So I just think, you look at what's going on with Democrats now trying to storm into an ice facility, and I'm like, guys, do we expect this to get better?
I mean, we keep saying it's going to get worse.
I mean, come on, time travel test.
Go back three years and say Democrats would storm ice facilities.
They'd be like, what?
terry schilling
But your point about these being elected officials, these are not like Antifa goons or anything like that.
These are actual elected officials that have to worry about elections.
tim pool
Democrat elected officials attacked law enforcement.
Let me say that again for you.
Elected Democrat officials, a member of Congress, a mayor, physically attacked law enforcement.
phil labonte
Prison.
brett dasovic
How is that possible?
I was told nobody's above the law.
phil labonte
I mean, you know.
tim pool
I don't care about any...
Semantics or whatever, or argument, like platitudes.
The point is, we are now at the point in this country where elected Democrats are physically attacking law enforcement.
terry schilling
Well, you know, this is in New Jersey, and New Jersey has statewide elections.
They have a governor's race this year in November.
I really hope that, you know, there's just Jack Chattarelli that's running.
That's really good.
He almost won in the last election.
They have to capitalize on this.
They need to be running campaign ads with these mayors, and all of these elected officials just punish the hell out of them over it.
phil labonte
I mean, I would love to see them get punished.
I'd love to see them go to prison.
I would love to see...
tim pool
Do you know what will happen if they go to prison?
Summer of Love 2.0.
Escalation.
I do not see how this does not escalate.
I mean, certainly there is a pathway forward where the left just doesn't come out and protest.
Fine.
But they're all defending this.
I mean, let me...
What do we got?
Ed Krasenstein, right?
You know him, you love him.
This is the scene at DHS where Newark Mayor Rasparaka is being held after his arrest by Trump's Gestapo.
I mean, bro, they attacked law enforcement and got arrested for it.
It's not a Gestapo.
It's a regular cop.
Like, if you walk up to any cop and hit him, he's going to arrest you.
It's not a Gestapo.
terry schilling
Well, he's not going to prison yet.
brett dasovic
Does he have the whole video there or is it an edited video?
He's banking on nobody seeing the video of the actual attack and that the low-info voter will look at that and be like, oh my gosh, Trump's Gestapo is arresting federal employees.
tim pool
Here's a video.
Newark Mayor Ross Brocco was arrested.
We'll skip that.
He's literally attacking cops.
terry schilling
He's trying.
It's so obvious.
tim pool
Get your hands off of me, brother.
They're attacking cops.
These are Democrat elected officials physically attacking law enforcement.
unidentified
And they're doing it because they want to be arrested.
phil labonte
It's all theater.
So arrest them.
Throw them in jail.
tim pool
And now here's the response from the serfs.
Masked security forces arresting their political opponents as part of a regime accelerating a fascist takeover.
phil labonte
It's such clown world BS.
tim pool
Yeah, fine, but the point is they're escalating it every single day.
And then when they punch a cop and the cop arrests them, they go, oh no, the fascists are attacking us.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's...
It's exhausting because you see this kind of behavior from the left consistently.
If they can't get what they want passed through legislation, they do these kind of tactics.
tim pool
Is this the point where we say it's fair to say this is civil strife?
When elected Democrats are attacking law enforcement, they're getting arrested.
Judges are getting arrested.
You had six people, Democrats, in Texas arrested for fraud, for election fraud.
brett dasovic
What happened with that?
tim pool
There were council members and judges.
I think it was one judge and a couple council members as well as other Democrats, political campaigners, were arrested for a fraud ring.
They were doing voter fraud.
brett dasovic
And it's...
tim pool
They're all accused of.
brett dasovic
The scary thing about this is, you've talked about it before, is these tactics have been used at protests for years to kind of incite the cops and then only record what happens when the cops retaliate so that you can post about the cops acting like fascists.
And that was when you were talking about regular, everyday protesters not actually employed government officials.
phil labonte
I mean, to call them regular, everyday protesters is a little bit of an overstatement.
Not government officials.
Yeah, because the tactics that they're using, they are planned out.
It is not like, oh, this accidentally happened.
They go there with intent to do a thing, to get...
You know, the image.
And in the social media world where you can do things like just grab that little video clip off of anyone that has a phone around you, it's extremely effective.
brett dasovic
Pro-level protesters.
phil labonte
Pro-level.
There you go.
Pro-level.
But, I mean, I don't know what else to say other than they're going to keep doing this.
brett dasovic
Yeah, it's only going to get worse as the summer goes on.
phil labonte
Yeah, and I don't know what the effective counter for this is.
brett dasovic
Video, having the evidence and the ability to post out what actually happened.
Because back in the day, you wouldn't have had, there would have been limited sources of information and the people who posted it.
If only one person has the clip and they only show you the edited clip, then you're never going to get the full story.
But being able to record and get the whole thing out there is important.
phil labonte
I'm not sure that I agree, and the reason is because...
You know, we were talking earlier before the show about the people that still believe the very fine people hoax.
You've got the whole video out there.
You can show them.
And they see it, and they still deny it.
So the point is...
brett dasovic
Yeah, but those people are always going to be there.
It's the normal people you're trying to reach.
phil labonte
Those are the people that get fired up.
And I don't even think that it...
It takes a...
It's a very small percentage of the population that will see something, believe it, see more information, and then say, oh, I was wrong.
brett dasovic
Oh, okay, so you're saying, like, being able to be shown the whole video after only seeing the clip.
phil labonte
Yeah, and the little clip is enough to inspire people to say, oh, no, bad things are going on.
I have to get out in the streets.
So my point being is, like...
What action on the ground do you do to prevent that?
Because you can't let them just walk over you and do whatever they want.
And then as soon as you have the police go out there and actually do what is legal, which is say, okay, we're going to have to arrest you for trespassing.
You're trespassing.
You're breaking the law.
And they say, oh, the Gestapo's here.
And they get the clip.
What's the effective means of defusing it before it turns into a propaganda thing for the left?
Because this is something that the left has done, and they have manuals.
That's what that book Good Trouble is.
The whole book is about doing these type of political operations to basically psyop people.
brett dasovic
Rules for radicals.
terry schilling
I kind of want to push back just a little bit, because the Dems almost...
They thought they were going to get away with the Maryland man hoax, but they didn't.
They had to pull back on that because the information just kept coming out and coming out.
I think there has been not a good enough shift, but I think maybe an enough shift where...
The Dems are actually sensitive stuff.
I think, you know, you see this video, you're going to know it's a stunt.
This was obviously planned out.
I just think that it's changed.
It's not the 2016 stuff.
And I just don't know how many people actually think that Trump is a racist.
I don't think he would have won in 2024 if they still believe that video from 2016.
Or 2020 or whatever.
brett dasovic
It is shocking how many people still believe the Very Fine People hoax.
phil labonte
And to be fair, it is mostly boomers and the people that are most pro-Trump are Gen Z. And they're almost totally inoculated to accusations like racist and stuff like that.
tim pool
It is interesting because I recorded a show with Adam Conover earlier.
So there'll be some spoilers.
You'll see it next week because we aired the Culture World Live.
One, he...
Didn't know that verified people hoax was a hoax.
He legit thought Trump actually called Nazis verified people.
And we ended up talking about how every demographic is pro-Trump except for 70-plus, every age demographic.
And so it's an interesting phenomenon then when you take a look at what the left is trying to latch onto when every demographic is – except for I think 40 is a tie.
And then ever the demographic is pro-Trump.
So if the younger generations are pro-Trump, what are these liberal podcasters hoping to latch on to?
There's no market for what they're proposing except for the boomers who – like the older boomers because boomers are 60 plus.
But the 70 plus crowd is within 10 years passing on.
So what will be left of the liberal movement?
terry schilling
I don't know.
But do you think that approval rating with the older – You know, Trump's in the tank with the oldest Americans.
You think that's because they're the least online?
That they're the least likely to get this and they're the most likely to watch?
tim pool
They're on MSNBC, CNN.
brett dasovic
That's an interesting thing that you brought up, Phil, because Phil was talking about how people being shown videos after they've seen the initial clip.
You see the 11-second clip that's been shown to make it look like, oh, they were just arrested for no reason, right?
We look at how fascist everybody is.
And then when you show them evidence to the contrary, they almost kind of rebuke.
They don't want to actually believe it.
And I feel like that's maybe that's just a difference between now and back in 2016 or closer to 2020.
Like when I started seeing evidence of just how badly clips were being manipulated by the media, where clips were being edited to prevent you from getting the full context of something, that enraged me.
It didn't make me want to push back and not believe it.
It made me angry to believe that I was being lied to about something like that.
But now it's like there's almost too much ego around when you get your information, you want to believe that you're a good person.
It's hard to be like, I was wrong.
Right?
So it's almost like it's a fear response to not want to admit that you got something wrong.
And that's led a lot of people down.
tim pool
Everybody always.
Humans have always been.
brett dasovic
But I mean, that doesn't make it any less true for the situation.
And if a lot of people aren't changing their opinions because they're scared of being seen as having gotten gotten by somebody else, then they're not going to want to admit it.
tim pool
It's impossible to not got got.
brett dasovic
Yeah.
tim pool
Because even the gotters will pull you out of context.
And that's largely what they do.
It's largely a phenomenon of the liberal left, and it's because they don't actually read the news.
For example, we had Tara Palmieri.
Am I pronouncing her name right?
phil labonte
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
And she didn't know the very fine people hoax was a hoax.
She thought Trump actually called Nazis fine people.
And then again today, when I was talking to Adam Conover, same thing.
And I don't want to spoil too much, but he just said, look, I'm not in your bubble.
And I'm like, this is just the news.
It's not a bubble.
It's just, do you read CNN?
Because I do.
brett dasovic
It's also like that's their implicit trust of the media if they read the headline and they said this is what he said.
tim pool
No, but this is the point.
They didn't read the headline.
They heard it from someone else.
So if you actually read the headline, Snopes debunked it.
The headline straight up says, no, Trump didn't do this.
brett dasovic
How long ago did Snopes debunk it?
tim pool
A year ago.
brett dasovic
Okay, but they haven't read the headline since it happened in 2017.
tim pool
Sure.
brett dasovic
And then it's just in their brain.
tim pool
I don't think they read the headlines at all.
brett dasovic
You don't think it's at all?
tim pool
I really don't.
That's why they believe things that are not true.
They hear talking points from pundits or clips or Jen Psaki and MSNBC.
They don't actually look into these stories.
Or John Oliver.
A better example is they probably get their news from John Oliver and Jordan Klepper.
terry schilling
He's insufferable.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
It's all lies.
terry schilling
Yeah.
And it's not funny.
John Oliver is not funny at all.
tim pool
Well, he's funny in a – do you ever watch King of the Hill?
You ever see King of the Hill?
terry schilling
Yeah.
tim pool
Remember when Bobby was doing the morning announcements and he couldn't get any joke to land?
So Peggy was like, people are stupid.
Bang the cowbell and the laugh.
And so then she's like, I'll show you how to do it.
Say a line and then I'll holler and bang the cowbell and you're telling them to laugh.
That's what liberals get from their news.
So they laugh at John Oliver because he tells them when to laugh.
terry schilling
Did you see, okay, during COVID, Bill Maher did a whole episode where he didn't have a live audience, and when you don't have the audience laughing with you, it just falls all flat.
It's crazy.
unidentified
That's bad.
brett dasovic
You should have seen when WWE was trying to do shows with no audience.
That was ten times worse.
tim pool
Hey, guys, we did The Culture War Live, and that went up today on YouTube and Rumble.
It is a whole different ballgame when you're doing a debate and you have an audience.
It's a million times more fun, entertaining.
And, like, even the liberal dude or arguments he did, we are laughing and having a good time.
It's way better with an audience.
brett dasovic
Phil, did you heckle people?
phil labonte
Oh, I was hollering.
brett dasovic
Excellent.
That's what I'm talking about.
phil labonte
Yeah, Phil was frustrating.
tim pool
Phil was scary.
He was beet red.
phil labonte
Pisco was very frustrating because a lot of the things that he was saying were really, really frustrating to listen to.
tim pool
But he's got balls.
phil labonte
He does.
tim pool
He's like, I'm going to come and stand in a room of 60 conservatives and libertarians and tell them why they're wrong.
And I was like, hey man.
terry schilling
That's pretty respectable.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, because most of them are too scared to do it.
Most of the liberals don't want to do it.
So I respect the ones that do.
phil labonte
You should definitely watch the show.
If you haven't seen it, go check it out.
And if you can come out to a live one, come.
I'll be there.
It'll be fun.
We can holler together.
brett dasovic
Now I'm going to come to the next one.
phil labonte
You should definitely go.
It'd be great.
tim pool
Hurst says, Tim got spicy AF.
Did I?
brett dasovic
What was spicy?
tim pool
I don't know.
brett dasovic
Oh, wait.
On Culture War?
phil labonte
Yeah.
brett dasovic
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
phil labonte
It was good.
brett dasovic
I was like, what was said here tonight that was spicy?
tim pool
Well, you know, I'll bring up one of the things I brought up then because it applies now.
You know, I asked Will specifically, Will Chamberlain, the judiciary is doing whatever it wants.
These universal injunctions are unconstitutional.
Donald Trump is – actually, Kristi Noem said this to me.
We are using every law and every interpretation that we can to get Trump's agenda through because the courts are trying to block us.
And so if you want to approach this from a neutral view, Trump is using every tactic in the book and every word.
That can be arranged as such to do what he wants.
And the judiciary is saying we can issue these rulings that affect the entire country.
Unconstitutional.
So what do we do as a country?
You know, Will started saying Congress is supposed to do these things.
And I stopped him.
I said, Congress can't do anything.
What happens in this country when you have two branches that are just going to keep doing what they want?
There's two factions fighting for control of one government.
brett dasovic
And the legislative branch is over here just napping.
tim pool
The other issue I brought up, too, is we have laws in the books we don't adhere to.
You can't put a pie on your windowsill on Tuesdays in Boston, whatever.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Those old laws don't make sense anymore.
So clearly, and this is, I guess, anarchist philosophy, the only laws that matter are the ones that get enforced by those who have the power to enforce them, which means the Democrats can, will, and already have violated the rights of many innocent Americans and the president himself.
If Trump doesn't bring a commensurate force to that political force, we will all be crushed.
But we know what they're doing was unconstitutional and shattered decorum.
So we ask of Donald Trump then, go and arrest these people who are destroying the country, and all that will lead to is civil war.
terry schilling
Well, I think this was an oversight from our founding fathers.
God rest their souls.
They expected lawlessness.
They expected tyrants to try and take power.
But I don't think they foresaw entire branches of the government that they set up refusing to fight for their own interests.
tim pool
I think they did, but they couldn't predict a lot of things.
I think the speed of the internet has dramatically changed how humans function.
For instance, there's the AI bot accounts that are making weird Trump stories.
They could never have predicted that.
And so these things shatter the brains of regular people.
To be fair, however, they did say only landowners could vote.
Only land-owning men.
unidentified
And white men at that.
tim pool
They were like, who cares what happens?
Only we can vote.
phil labonte
Legitimately, I do think that they were on to something when it came to limiting the franchise.
Having everybody in the country be able to vote is probably not a good idea because most people don't vote anyways.
They only vote for the president.
The fact that Congress has done everything it can to shirk...
It's duties.
Congress people don't want to be held accountable for any of their votes, so they've done everything they can to shuffle off power and authority to the executive branch, which is part of the reason why the bureaucracy is as big as it is.
They've shuffled off war-making authority to the president, which was demonstrated with the whole authorization to use military force.
The reason they don't do anything is because we've allowed them to not do anything.
And to be honest with you, Authority that the executive and the bureaucracy has is far beyond anything the founders ever intended.
And the fact of the matter is the government...
Isn't supposed to be as involved in our day-to-day lives as they are.
The federal government has no place, whether it be Congress or the bureaucracy, has no place deciding how much water can go through a faucet.
And the EPA does it all the time.
It has no business making these kinds of decisions.
A big part of the problem is that the American people have allowed that to get there because we're not paying attention to what Congress does and because we're not paying attention to how Congress has given power to the president and to the bureaucracy.
brett dasovic
It's like we were talking earlier this week about Trump putting tariffs on Hollywood and how putting tariffs on Hollywood is because Hollywood wants tax subsidies.
I'm like, no, I don't want a single federal tax dollar going to the absolute evil propagandists that are making all of the material that make you look bad in the first place.
If a state wants to do that, if California wants to do it because it bolsters their economy locally, that's fine.
They can vote on it in local elections.
tim pool
The issue of tariffing movies is how?
brett dasovic
Well, yeah, because it's classified as a service, not a good.
tim pool
Right, and it's digital and online, and it's like, I can understand if you're going to put penalties in.
But what if a movie's about Africa and it's like...
brett dasovic
Well, it's about movies being filmed in foreign lands.
tim pool
Right, so what if a movie's about Africa and we go to Africa and film the movie?
brett dasovic
Well, they do the same thing when they put new rules in place as to who could win Oscars and there had to be racial breakdowns for characters.
Like, well, what if it's a movie that took place in Italy or in Ireland?
It doesn't make any sense.
And they found ways around that.
tim pool
Yes, but the question is for a tariff.
It's not like there is a film reel being brought on a boat or flown into the country.
brett dasovic
I said you could do a DVD.
If people still cared about DVDs, I guess you can sell steelbooks and you can do that.
But I don't think it's what they want anyways.
I think what they want is they want him to give them tax breaks because Gavin Newsom is like, hold up, let's talk about this.
And everyone in California is like, let's talk about this because it's beneficial to their economy.
I don't...
I think the federal government should be doing anything in relation to Hollywood.
We've got a thousand things we need to figure out before we even think about going over there.
Let's fix the rest of our problems.
But that's to what Phil is saying, is that the government is too expansive and too involved in way too much of our lives these days.
terry schilling
What do you guys think about, you know, part of what Trump's trying to do is inspire more patriotism and get more American values in there.
What if they had some pro-America movie grants where it's going back to the founding fathers and it's got to have pro-America.
unidentified
I say no.
tim pool
The issue there is I don't want...
It's difficult.
We don't want the government to incentivize ideologies lest they be weaponized for ideologies against us.
I can understand the argument in some circumstances where I've literally argued against this very thing.
They – you know, when people say, oh, but if you use the powers of the executive branch, then the Democrats will use it against you.
My argument there is we're talking about holding politicians accountable for crimes they committed.
And so if they committed a crime, we arrest them.
That's normal.
But empowering the government to then give money and spend our tax dollars to promote a message, yeah, I don't want some weird DEI guy to get in there and then get a hold of that institution and turn it against us.
What we need to do is we need to build an independent, private – I say it all the time.
Captain America.
The first Captain America movie, conservatives weren't raving and saying every conservative should see it.
The conservatives love to rag on woke things, but they do not promote based things.
So let me just say it again.
The original Captain America movie, you've seen it?
terry schilling
I saw the original, yeah.
tim pool
I said the original, but I don't know how many they made.
brett dasovic
The 2011 one.
tim pool
The 2011 one.
You have a scrawny, sickly young man who's lying to join the military to fight for his country.
terry schilling
It's beautiful.
tim pool
And then, because of his merit, jumping on a grenade and having good, strong American values, he becomes a super soldier.
They grant him the super soldier serum through the army, no less.
He's recruited by the U.S. government, who did an experimental procedure to make him a great soldier.
And then he defeats the Nazis.
The evil Nazis that were worse than the Nazis, mind you.
phil labonte
Yeah, the extra evil Nazis.
tim pool
The extra evil Nazis.
Conservatives didn't come out and say, this is an amazing message.
They just said nothing.
brett dasovic
Because they don't care about actual art.
tim pool
They don't care about art.
brett dasovic
Yeah.
And remember, Captain America Winter Soldier is the best movie Marvel ever made.
tim pool
That's unfortunate that it's true.
phil labonte
Yes.
brett dasovic
But if you want to make those movies, you can.
The thing is, you have to get audiences to come out for that.
They came out for Sound of Freedom, right?
The audiences showed up for that because it resonated with conservative audiences because the discussion about child trafficking and things like that was very, very important.
Plus, at that time, it was being kind of...
Like, Streisand effect by the media's weird dislike for the movie.
And everyone's like, what do you have a problem with a movie that criticizes human trafficking?
tim pool
I want to say this of Captain America.
I liked Winter Soldier, but I do want to point this out.
When you don't come out politically like the left does, the left comes out and demands woke stuff.
Captain America, scrawny guy, lies during the military, does.
The next movie, do you know what Winter Soldier is about?
You know how to describe it?
The government has actually been infiltrated by the Nazis and is the bad guy now.
brett dasovic
Well, I mean, a lot of it is a lot to do with Nick Fury and his peace through strength model that Cap disagrees with.
tim pool
But the premise of the film is that the Nazis infiltrated the U.S. government's military apparatus and Captain America, to be a good soldier who believes in his country, has to destroy S.H.I.E.L.D., which is akin to our, you know...
Intelligence agencies.
terry schilling
They did that same formula.
That's how they ruined Indiana Jones, right?
Like, Indiana Jones, well, at least, you know, the first and the third, they had pro-Christian themes, and then the fourth one comes along, and it's just like, oh, no, it wasn't God.
It was aliens.
tim pool
You know, I gotta take everything I said back.
Winter Soldier's based.
phil labonte
It's a good movie.
tim pool
Our intelligence agencies have been taken over by communists.
unidentified
Yeah, they have.
And Captain America had to come in and shut it all down.
brett dasovic
He argues with Nick Fury about that.
He's like, we have to do it.
We have to have ships in the sky that can mow down people without a moment's notice, no due process.
And Cap's like, well, that's not really what we fought for in World War II.
We fought for freedom.
You're fighting to just hold a gun to everyone's head and call it freedom.
tim pool
And did you know that when the scanners are going off, showing names, one of them is Stephen Strange.
unidentified
Oh!
brett dasovic
Early callback before.
I guess that would have been, what, two years before?
tim pool
Winter Soldier was 13?
brett dasovic
2014.
So it would have been two years before Doctor Strange.
tim pool
Brett knows more about this than I do.
He's right.
You mean New Avengers?
brett dasovic
I'm not calling it that.
tim pool
That's actually in the film.
brett dasovic
I know, I know, but I'm not calling it that.
tim pool
No, no, it's in the movie.
brett dasovic
No, I know, but it's still a marketing ploy.
They filmed that stuff four weeks before the movie came out.
tim pool
Oh, right.
brett dasovic
Because they were like, no one's going to watch this movie.
tim pool
They put a star on it, and they killed Taskmaster.
brett dasovic
Which people were mad about from Black Widow to begin with, that they weren't going to get the legit Taskmaster.
tim pool
They got rid of Taskmaster because it was woke.
brett dasovic
Which is sad, because that actress is great.
tim pool
Yeah, and let me just say this.
You don't need to know anything about Marvel or the movies.
Here's what happened.
They released the Black Widow film.
And there's a character in Marvel called Taskmaster, which is this big brutish guy who has a skull mask.
And then in the movie, the reveal at the end is, Taskmaster's actually a woman!
brett dasovic
And then suddenly it's half the size of...
unidentified
Right.
brett dasovic
They did that in Scream 4, when they have the hulking-sized person playing Ghostface, and then it's a girl, and she's suddenly three feet shorter than...
tim pool
So then, with Thunderbolts, this new gender-swapped Taskmaster gets shot in the head within a minute.
And I think that was them.
Kevin Feige's like, we're firing all the woke people.
We're firing everybody.
We have burned a billion dollar industry because of what they've done.
And so it literally starts with Lady Taskmaster and bang!
Just no more Taskmaster anymore.
Got rid of it.
brett dasovic
I don't know.
I'll wait for Disney Plus for that one.
tim pool
The movie's enjoyable.
You should see it.
phil labonte
I really do want to go see it.
It's good to me.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a fun little cheesy action flick.
brett dasovic
I'm going to go see Fight or Flight, the new Josh Hartnett movie on the plane.
It's basically a train on a plane.
tim pool
I heard Sinners is cringe, but good.
brett dasovic
Yeah, from what everybody said about it, I went to see The Accountant 2. That's the only one that I've...
phil labonte
That's out now, isn't it?
I want to see that.
tim pool
Who's in that?
Is that Ben Affleck?
brett dasovic
Yeah.
Ben Affleck and Don Bernthal.
tim pool
Sinners is...
People are raving about it.
But I'm hearing from a bunch of conservatives, they're like, it's super race-obsessed woke garbage, but it's a good movie.
brett dasovic
Well, I mean, Ryan Coogler is a very, very good director.
He directed the Creed spinoffs of Rocky.
He's very good at his job.
When people argue to say you can't make good woke movies, that's actually not true.
You can.
It's just really, really difficult.
tim pool
Well, the problem is woke people are...
What's the right word?
I don't think it's necessarily low IQ.
It's a combination of caged.
There's not much room you can navigate without getting attacked.
But also like unlearned.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like when we say that they still think Trump called Nazis fine people.
Like they're so...
I don't know.
They don't know how to read.
They don't learn new things.
So...
terry schilling
They're not interested.
Like, they're...
tim pool
They're not authentic?
terry schilling
Yeah.
brett dasovic
I mean, I try not to use the word...
Okay, so, like, I was recently...
I posted, like, I just want to see season two of High Potential.
It's this very, very basic, like, network television procedural that I really, really like, starring Caitlin Olsen from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
And so I couldn't watch it.
It was too woke for me.
Like, can you tell me what...
There was nothing in it that was that to me.
So the word has lost all meaning in a lot of ways.
So unless it's the example, did you see the picture of the show My Lady Jane that had the black disabled king of England?
That's now the benchmark I use.
If somebody's trying to describe Woke to you, you show them the scene from My Lady Jane, which is a black disabled king of England in the 1700s.
And that's pretty much the ballpark definition.
If it's that, I can call it it.
Otherwise, it seems to be a matter of opinion.
tim pool
I'm really excited for that queer black woman to play Jesus Christ in it.
unidentified
Oh, God.
brett dasovic
Well, that's Jesus Christ Superstar, though, right?
tim pool
And it is funny that they were like, how dare Trump mock Christianity while they stand with drag nuns?
brett dasovic
The baseball game or whatever.
What's that group called?
tim pool
The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
unidentified
Thank you.
brett dasovic
I would have never remembered that.
But yes.
Yeah, that's just them not being honest.
tim pool
That's just all they do.
They pretend to be outraged by things.
This is the thing I see with liberals.
They're like, Donald Trump is an authoritarian.
And my question is, okay, assuming that's true, is that distinct from literally any other administration?
brett dasovic
Well, this is just that the news didn't report anything negative about a candidate they like, so they just don't know about whatever potential authoritarian...
tim pool
Well, Obama wore a tan suit.
brett dasovic
Yeah, he did.
tim pool
Shortly after murdering a 16-year-old American citizen, but that's another story.
terry schilling
Wait, I thought the tan suit was his only scandal.
brett dasovic
Fast and the Furious never happened.
phil labonte
Yeah, Fast and the Furious never happened.
tim pool
Nor did Operation, what was it, Timber Sycamore.
terry schilling
Wait, what's that?
tim pool
Giving ISIS weapons.
terry schilling
Oh, of course.
tim pool
I'm going to pull that one up, because people don't believe that's real.
phil labonte
Operation Timber Sycamore?
terry schilling
No, like the whole history of the US government is arming the people that end up trying and killing us.
tim pool
Timber Sycamore was a classified weapons supply and training program run by the CIA and supported by the UK and some Arab intelligence services, including Saudis.
The aim was to remove Bashar al-Assad and supplied weaponry and training to Syrian opposition in the Syrian civil war.
In July 2017, U.S. officials stated that timber sycamore would be phased out with funds possibly redirected to fighting the Islamic State.
The issue was the anti-Assad groups that ultimately rose up was ISIS.
phil labonte
There's part of me that thinks that it wasn't such a great idea to support.
ISIS and the terrorists in Syria.
brett dasovic
And again, like, it's something like this.
How heavily was this reported on by the mainstream press?
And the reason why people have such rose-tinted glasses for that time period is you were still getting your information filtered through legacy media sources that were probably being told by their counterparts in the intel agencies to what to report on, what not to report on.
So they have this kind of...
I imagine it's a feeling of safety where they feel like the world was safer back before 2016.
But as much as that coincides with Donald Trump's initial election, it also coincides to heavy use of the Internet on your phone and ease of access to information and the democratization of how we get our news, which is a very, very different thing now.
tim pool
I'm just reading about Tim Brissett and Ward's funny.
Obama, yes, Obama indirectly contributed to the arming of ISIS support for Syrian rebels under Obama.
or Sycamore.
These groups lost territory, defected, and then collaborated with the jihadis forming ISIS and al-Nusra.
unidentified
Yep.
Yeah.
terry schilling
It's so perfect.
tim pool
So Fast and the Furious, it's all the same thing.
brett dasovic
There was a post yesterday about how Bill Gates said that defunding USAID is killing the world's poorest children.
And I was like, you mean like Zunzaneo in Cuba where we had the CIA fund building a social media app so that we could influence regime change in Cuba?
Those children?
phil labonte
I'm not so sure that he's right.
brett dasovic
No.
phil labonte
I think he's wrong.
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, the meme with Ukraine was like, in 20 years, we'll be fighting the Azov Battalion with weapons we gave them.
Because this is what happens, right?
So you had the Mujahideen becomes al-Qaeda.
You have the anti-Assad organizations eventually take all that training and weapons and join ISIS and al-Nursa.
And now we're fighting them.
And so everyone's like, stop giving money to these rogue groups.
We're just going to have to keep fighting them.
But that's what they do.
phil labonte
Yep.
brett dasovic
Well, what else would they be doing with your tax dollars?
terry schilling
Well, no, it keeps them employed, though, right?
It gives them a sense of purpose.
It keeps them busy.
It's job protection.
It's security.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
It's a terrible, terrible, terrible idea.
brett dasovic
Well, what is the next group that we end up fighting?
Is it the Azov Battalion?
I don't know.
phil labonte
I think that it'll probably be some Middle Eastern organization that we're funding right now.
brett dasovic
Fantastic.
tim pool
Israel.
brett dasovic
Is that what that pager was about?
phil labonte
Yeah, right?
They're going to start sending pagers to Americans.
brett dasovic
No, no, no.
terry schilling
Disavow, disavow.
brett dasovic
They'll have figured out to put it into iPhones by then.
Don't worry.
It won't be pagers.
phil labonte
Maybe.
I hope not.
I like my iPhone.
And I like mine.
Anyways.
brett dasovic
It's like only the Android users will survive because all of you iPhone users...
terry schilling
Boo!
unidentified
Boo!
brett dasovic
Sorry about it.
phil labonte
No, I don't...
I don't think that we're going to end up fighting Ukrainians.
I think that that's probably outside of the realm of possibility.
tim pool
Well, we do have this story.
Explosion started three Pakistan air bases, including Nur Khan.
This is breaking news.
We had the biggest dogfight since World War II just the other day.
It's not stopped.
The escalation has continued between India and Pakistan.
So maybe we'll have to take sides in that conflict and we'll be fighting China because they're aiding Pakistan.
And we are going to be on the side of India.
phil labonte
Well, you know, I mean, it makes sense that we would be fighting China because we don't get along anyways.
You know, I don't care what anyone says.
We're not.
We're not.
We're not just rivals with China.
They're our enemy.
tim pool
Do you know what's truly fascinating about this war?
Is that we are now watching untested weapons finally get tested.
Chinese made fighter jets fighting Western made fighter jets in India, Pakistan.
We don't know how they perform against each other.
They've not been battle tested.
Now, the scary thing with this is...
The U.S. and China are looking at what's going on, and it's giving them data as to whether or not they can win a conflict.
If the U.S. or China is thinking, you know, in the intel, like, hey, we don't know if our fighter jets are going to handle the Chinese advanced jets we've never encountered in combat.
So that gives us pause.
Are we prepared to enter a conflict when we don't know what their weapons are capable of?
After watching this...
They're going to say yes or no.
So this actually opens the door that we come closer to a greater war.
People really should be talking about the new modern weapons finally being battle-tested.
That's scary.
terry schilling
I don't think we're in a good spot with our jets either.
tim pool
No.
phil labonte
With the F-35, no.
The F-22 is still...
If I understand correctly, it's pretty good.
The F-15 is still undefeated, though.
So granted, when it comes to the modern, like the 5th gen aircraft, yeah, they're untested and maybe not.
But the F-15, that airframe is undefeated.
And we have the most advanced aeronautics package in the F-15.
So we've sold a lot of F-15s to Israelis and to other countries.
And they've not been, like, there's not a MIG that's been able to shoot down an F-15 in combat.
F-15s are still, they were the top dog until the F-22.
The F-22 in simulated stuff has been able to take on multiple F-15s.
So I don't know 100% that the F-22 is, you know, is it all that it's...
I don't know how many are actually in combat and stuff.
I know they had issues when it came to production.
But the F-22 and the F-15 are still top, top of the line, and they're incredibly capable machines.
So I can't say much for the F-35.
I know that Pakistan has F-16s.
They both have a lot of MiGs.
They both have a lot of Chinese fighters.
I don't know what kind of results you're going to see.
Because it also, it does depend on tactics and the pilots themselves.
If you're not actually getting air, like getting time in the simulators and in the air, it doesn't matter.
Well, I can't say that it doesn't matter, but the skill of the pilots does matter, you know, because they don't have the most advanced technology.
Like, I assume the F-22 does a lot for the pilot.
And especially the ability to shoot missiles at targets that you can't see with your eyes and stuff.
You can AWACS up there with a couple F-15s.
They can see stuff that's beyond the horizon.
You can shoot a missile from 100 miles away or something.
terry schilling
Yeah, it's pretty cool technology.
brett dasovic
Have you ever seen the meme of Pedro Pascal driving the car and he's smiling really loud?
Life when India and Pakistan get in a nuclear war and all the scam calls and texts stop suddenly.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, small blessings.
brett dasovic
You know, if that's what has to happen.
phil labonte
I don't know.
I don't know.
Look, a nuclear war, nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would be bad for the whole world because even the small nuclear bombs that they have are devastating.
And as soon as...
Someone else uses nuclear weapons.
It only lowers the threshold necessary for another country to use a nuclear weapon.
Right now, it's only the U.S. that's ever used them.
It was in World War II and everyone's like, whoa.
And now we saw what could happen with thermonuclear weapons because Fat Man and Little Boy were just atomic bombs and they annihilated cities.
Thermonuclear weapons are...
Thousands of times stronger, and they're far more frightening.
And thankfully, nobody has decided that they want to use one in conflict.
But that's not to say that if there are nations that start using them, that other nations won't respond.
tim pool
So if Pakistan were to nuke New Delhi directly, I mean, this is the strength of their strongest bomb.
It's bad, but they'd have to fire like...
15 to actually, or more, to cause serious damage to the, and don't get me wrong, it's going to kill a ridiculous amount of people, but 45 kilotons.
phil labonte
Is that their most powerful bomb?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's just try a warhead yield of like, I don't know, a single megaton bomb.
Do we want to do the Minuteman or should we, look, we got Ivy Mike 10 megaton bomb.
phil labonte
It's the Titan first.
tim pool
Titan 2 US ICBM.
Yeah.
phil labonte
The first hydrogen bomb, right?
tim pool
This is the Titan II warhead.
It's the highest kiloton ICBM the U.S. has ever deployed.
And it wipes out all of New Delhi and everything around it.
phil labonte
But that's only kilotons, not megatons.
tim pool
No, no, it's 9,000.
That's a 9 megaton bomb.
phil labonte
Okay, alright.
tim pool
So let's do 45, which is what Pakistan's got.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's bad.
It'll take out, you know, A handful of neighborhoods of New Delhi.
phil labonte
I still do think that the concept, once other countries start using them, it'll change the way that people think about...
tim pool
It's true, but I think people need to understand that in nuclear war, in any kind of war, it's not just nukes.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
It's not just...
What I mean to say is, if someone uses a 45 kiloton nuclear warhead...
It does not mean we retaliate with all of our most powerful nuclear warrants.
There's a scale of what a nuke is.
It's not just nuke.
We'll catch all.
So if New Delhi launched a 45...
Let's do this.
If Russia launched a 50 kiloton bomb into Ukraine, that doesn't mean we're going to launch a 9 megaton bomb at Russia.
That makes no sense.
But people think it does.
People think, no, they won't use nukes because then we'll nuke them.
I'm like, no, we won't.
If they launched a battlefield artillery, 40 kilotons or whatever, and just wiped out a bunch of Ukrainian troops, not a single nation would retaliate with it.
phil labonte
Well, that's on the same lines where people think if the U.S. were to strike Iran that the entire Middle East would erupt into a war where everybody's trying to kill each other.
And people are more measured than that.
Countries are more measured than that.
Countries are more measured than that.
And if one state were to use nuclear weapons, that doesn't mean a full nuclear exchange of, you know, the United States and Russia using all of their, you know, globally, mutually assured destruction policy, you know.
But it's still not good.
What's that?
tim pool
This is the...
I put in the amount of kilotons that the Moab...
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Remember the Moab?
The mother of all bombs.
That's how big it is.
It's impressive, but it's not a nuke.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's definitely not a nuclear bomb.
tim pool
Although, you know, the preset that I'm using has a radiation blast to it.
Let's just...
I always love pulling up the maximum yield Sarbamba.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Everything dies.
tim pool
The biggest bomb ever designed, but never deployed.
terry schilling
Okay, so what does the darker yellow mean?
tim pool
In the middle?
phil labonte
Fireball.
terry schilling
No, no, sorry.
On the outer right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You will be burning alive.
Your skin will be peeling off from flames.
terry schilling
And then the gray area, that's like...
tim pool
Shockwave blasts.
A lot of people will die from the shockwave.
Some people will get knocked down.
Some people will die getting knocked down.
A lot of injuries.
Broken glass, buildings shaking.
terry schilling
And then there's going to be radiation even outside of that.
tim pool
No, Sarbama is not radioactive.
So radiation isn't...
Well, let's clarify.
There's thermal radiation, which is the heat, but the ionizing radiation, not all warheads actually have that.
That's an intentional design function to cause you problems.
terry schilling
Oh, it's insane.
The levels that they've designed this stuff.
unidentified
Oh, my gosh.
tim pool
So I added radio to fallout to the Sarabama, and you can see there is nothing.
But let me try Ivy Mike.
Yeah, see, Ivy Mike is actually radioactive.
So what happens is after 10 minutes.
terry schilling
Oh, the wind takes it.
unidentified
Yep.
terry schilling
What would that look like over Mecca?
I'm kidding.
Joking.
tim pool
Well, I mean, it is interesting because that's a very serious target.
And there would be concerns.
unidentified
Let's...
Bro.
terry schilling
It's going to ban you, dude.
There's no way it's going to let you.
tim pool
What do you mean?
No, I mean, look.
What is the best guess?
Let's try this.
What is the best guess?
brett dasovic
I mean, imagine making a nuke map and not letting somebody pick a specific location.
tim pool
Nuclear weapons.
terry schilling
It's not run by Google.
brett dasovic
Who runs NukeMap?
tim pool
So the best estimate for Israel is that they have a 100 to 400 kiloton bomb.
Some speculate Israel may have a megaton bomb.
So let's do this.
Let's just say 500 kilotons.
Because we're going to split the baby on that one.
Oh, come on.
I'm sorry, I've got to do that.
There we go.
Wait.
Oh, okay, there we go.
That's what it'll look like.
phil labonte
That's atrocious.
tim pool
So if Israel were to decide to nuke Mecca, that's what it would look like.
unidentified
That's my contribution for you, right?
tim pool
I don't know how, I mean...
phil labonte
There are people that are offended.
tim pool
Well, I mean, there's nothing offensive about this.
Israel is a Jewish state at odds with Islamic states?
terry schilling
No, that's right.
phil labonte
I think that they would probably go for...
They probably would not go for religious sites.
They would go for Tehran, but they would go for military targets.
unidentified
Let's say they got a Megaton bomb.
brett dasovic
So did the Joint Chiefs have Trump pull up Nuke Map when they're discussing battle plans?
Is this what they do?
terry schilling
They probably gave us Nuke Map.
This is probably the civilian version of what they have.
tim pool
Probably.
brett dasovic
It's the one they put out in the 90s.
That's what we have now.
tim pool
You get it after the fact.
brett dasovic
Yes, we'll always.
phil labonte
But, I mean, either way.
Such a morbid, morbid...
brett dasovic
The guy coding nuke map?
tim pool
Nope, that is spelled wrong.
Hiroshima.
Hiroshima.
But that was a 15 kiloton bomb.
phil labonte
Wow, Ivy Mike is huge.
Jesus.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, that's Ivy Mike, but we actually have Fat Man and Little Boy.
So, Little Boy.
There you go.
phil labonte
Man, that's crazy.
So Hiroshima didn't have significant fallout then, huh?
tim pool
No, I don't believe so.
Old bombs.
phil labonte
That's terrible.
tim pool
Yeah, the Russians built Tsar Bomba.
King Bomb.
And the only test they ever did was 50 megatons.
Half yield.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Yes, there's...
terry schilling
My goodness.
tim pool
Coast to coast.
terry schilling
Japan's actually enormous.
I didn't realize how big...
It always looks small on the map, but it's an enormous country.
phil labonte
Like the size of California.
unidentified
Yeah.
terry schilling
Is that how big it is?
phil labonte
Eh, similar.
They're not exactly, but...
tim pool
Looks right.
Yeah, man.
But let's jump to this next story.
Talk about how things are going here in the United States.
We got this from Mediaite.
phil labonte
I like this.
tim pool
Stephen Miller says Trump is actively looking at suspending habeas corpus.
Let's roll tape.
unidentified
Well, the Constitution is clear.
stephen miller
And that, of course, is the supreme law of the land.
That the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion.
So to say that's an option we're actively looking at.
Look, a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.
At the end of the day, Congress passed a body of law known as the Immigration Nationality Act, which stripped Article III courts, that's the judicial branch of jurisdiction over immigration cases.
So Congress actually passed, it's called jurisdiction stripping legislation.
It passed a number of laws that say that the Article III courts aren't even allowed to be involved in immigration cases.
Many of you probably don't know this.
I'll give you a good example.
Are you familiar with the term temporary protective status or TPS, right?
So by statute, the courts are stripped of jurisdiction from overruling a presidential determination or a secretarial determination.
On TPS, when the Secretary of Homeland Security makes that determination.
So when Secretary Noem terminated TPS for the illegals that Biden flew into the country, when courts stepped in, they were violating explicit language that Congress had enacted, saying they have no jurisdiction.
So it's not just the courts aren't just at war with the executive branch.
The courts are at war, these radical rogue judges, with the legislative branch as well, too.
So all of that will inform the choices the president ultimately makes, yes.
tim pool
Was that Elad speaking right there?
That's hilarious.
I gotta play it one more time.
terry schilling
So did you, have you seen?
tim pool
Real quick.
stephen miller
Thanks, yes.
tim pool
Sounded like, sounded like a lot.
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
That's hilarious.
terry schilling
So I just saw that on Twitter.
Did you see the Lincoln Project tweet?
phil labonte
Yes.
terry schilling
Criticizing?
unidentified
No, what was it?
phil labonte
Yeah, they were just complaining.
terry schilling
It's a cell phone.
It's the Lincoln Project criticizing Trump for suspending habeas corpus.
I mean, it's the worst cell phone in history.
tim pool
That is, well, because they're hypocrites and they're stupid and they don't read.
terry schilling
And they don't know Lincoln.
phil labonte
Yeah, look, I mean, it would be...
It's not unprecedented.
tim pool
I bet the community knows it's Abraham Lincoln unilaterally.
Oh, the timeline we live in.
I hope the people watching are entertained.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
It would be good to...
stephen miller
Ultimately mix, yes.
terry schilling
I do want to just say Stephen Miller is doing a fantastic job giving Americans a civics lesson.
He's explaining so many great things.
brett dasovic
He looks like he's having a blast.
terry schilling
Yeah.
tim pool
Remember when they claimed that he was making a white supremacist hand gesture because he was straightening his jacket and he was like this?
brett dasovic
Oh, is that back now?
Is this...
tim pool
No, this was first term.
Oh, okay.
He grabbed his jacket and was pulling his jacket in like this.
terry schilling
He was buttoning it.
tim pool
And they got a picture of his hands like this, and they said it was a white supremacist hand gesture.
brett dasovic
So it was like a double white supremacist hand gesture.
tim pool
Is that an O case?
Oh my god, wait.
Come on.
No, this is some fake nonsense from SPLC.
Oops, can I spell it wrong?
Is that it?
Let's see if we can find that picture.
There it is.
There it is.
We got it.
terry schilling
Ladies and gentlemen.
tim pool
Here you go.
Did Stephen Miller throw a white power sign?
unidentified
Throw it?
tim pool
Oh my god.
Look at this image.
terry schilling
Oh my god.
tim pool
What is he doing?
Why is he touching his tie like that?
brett dasovic
Do you remember the guy who lost his job for throwing something out his window when he was making that sign?
He was like a construction worker or an electrician or something.
Yeah.
tim pool
What was that?
brett dasovic
Yeah.
Just a guy was like, and he wasn't a white guy, if I remember correctly, like threw out his window a cigarette or something and his hand was making an OK sign and he lost his job.
It was back during Trump's first term, I think.
phil labonte
The entire society basically lost their mind for a few years there.
tim pool
They never got their mind back.
phil labonte
I think that things are a little more chill now.
I don't think you get fired for throwing something out a window where someone sees that they thought that you made the okay hand sign.
tim pool
Yeah, but there's other kinds of insanity like, you know, firebombing a Tesla station, Tesla dealership, or charging station.
brett dasovic
Yeah, a California man fired over alleged white power sign says he was just cracking his knuckles.
I hope he sued and got just an unlimited amount of money.
tim pool
Man.
phil labonte
I hope so.
I doubt it.
I don't think he did.
tim pool
But what about suspending habeas corpus, yay or nay?
phil labonte
Yay.
I'm very much for it.
I want to see, well, for non-citizens.
So if you're here illegally, we don't have to put you in front of a judge or anything.
tim pool
But they still have to determine whether you're a citizen or not.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think you need to go in front of a judge for that.
tim pool
Did you guys see there was a riot broke out in Massachusetts?
phil labonte
Yeah, in Worcester.
tim pool
Yeah, the illegal immigrants getting arrested and the neighbors started attacking the cops.
phil labonte
They should go to jail too.
tim pool
Let me see if I can find that.
That's a big story we probably should talk about.
I saw it on Reddit.
What is it?
Massachusetts?
How do you spell Massachusetts?
phil labonte
M-A-S-S-A-C-H.
tim pool
What a silly word.
terry schilling
I think suspending habeas corpus for non-citizens is considered due process.
They're getting the process that they're due, right?
phil labonte
Sending them home.
tim pool
Check this out.
Check this out.
So there's an illegal immigrant being arrested, and then people come out and start attacking the cops.
phil labonte
Every last one of them should be arrested.
tim pool
Well, the scary thing is, at a certain point, if these are like TDA, MS-13, we're getting close to treason.
unidentified
The cops should round them all up.
They've got body cans on them.
phil labonte
They can identify them.
Round them all up.
unidentified
jail.
tim pool
And you know what happens after that, right?
phil labonte
No, what happens after that?
tim pool
When the cops go and arrest an entire block of residential...
Of people?
phil labonte
Oh, well.
I mean, look.
You can't just say, alright, it's fine.
We're not going to enforce the law.
tim pool
I understand that, but it's not about that.
The point I'm bringing up is you have entire neighborhoods aiding and abetting illegal immigration for which the prescribed law is that is a crime.
What is it?
8USC 1324, I think it is.
Let me see if I have my code right.
8USC 1324, is that it?
Yes, it is.
8, USC 1324, aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
brett dasovic
So what do you think it is that is primed U.S. citizens to interfere with these types of things?
tim pool
We have allowed for three generations, non-citizens, to take residence in this country and have families.
And so now you have individuals who, let's say there's like, normal American guy lives in a house and he's lived there for 20 years.
His neighbor is Old Rita, he calls her.
She's been there as long as he knows she was there before him.
illegal immigrant.
The government has largely allowed them to stay and hasn't enforced against it.
The neighbors, they all know old Rita.
Okay, so when the cops come and say she's here illegally, we're arresting her and deporting her, the neighbors are like, Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So, sure.
The cops can come in.
And they did.
They arrested the daughter of the woman who was being arrested.
And they can start arresting people who live there.
And the end result is going to be civil war.
brett dasovic
And a lot of it is like, for the cases where you're talking about people who are members of MS-13 or gangs, I think that so many Americans have been kind of just hit with endless propaganda about what illegal immigration looks like.
And while there are the cases of, like you're saying, the family that's been here for 20 years, they're law-abiding, they don't do anything wrong, the people aren't taking the time to wait and see whether that's what's happening.
So they're going to respond the same to them arresting somebody who could be a member of MS-13 or a gang than they are the woman down the street who hasn't broken any laws while in country.
tim pool
There's no answer to this.
I mean if people start attacking ICE, which we're seeing now from Democratic Party members, elected officials, and residential neighborhoods, I'm not saying that this will make a civil war start tomorrow.
I'm saying that – The left then rallies and says, Trump is sending in federal law enforcement to arrest literal neighbors of people who are trying to save themselves from being disappeared.
They're going to start saying things like, Trump disappeared a Maryland man.
Like Hassan Piker genuinely believed he was from Maryland, said, he's from Maryland, what do you mean?
Dude didn't know, they don't read the news.
The narrative will then persist that Trump's SS is going around and rounding up random people, and then you're going to get Antifa emboldened, and you're going to get shootings, insurgency, chaos, which in turn will result in Trump, Insurrection Act, arrests, escalation.
The left will then—what ends up happening with this stuff?
Simple question to ask anybody.
Why did your average southerner fight in the Civil War?
Do you know the answer?
terry schilling
I would say slavery.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Why did the average Southerner fight in the Civil War?
phil labonte
Because they believe that the North was invading and Southern attacking.
tim pool
Because their home was attacked.
That's it.
There's nothing else.
Some dudes on a farm with no slaves and Union soldiers start marching through, firing guns, and they say, oh my God.
Now, the powers that be wanted to uphold slavery.
They wanted to put in their constitution.
But secession was a convoluted thing largely related to the issue of slavery.
But for the average Southerner, It was, they're attacking us.
That's it.
Only, I think, 3-5% of the South actually owned slaves.
Most people didn't.
And so you're some bumpkin on a farm being shot at, and you're like, I'm at war.
What's going to happen then when federal law enforcement starts arresting these people?
There's going to be a guy who's going to say, I don't care about illegal immigrants.
I don't care about the left.
I don't care about Trump.
I want to watch football.
But a bullet went through my window when law enforcement came in and was shooting at these insurrectionists or whatever.
These people who live in my neighborhood, I have no choice.
I live here.
I'm with them.
It's fascinating that people don't understand.
They don't think through the basic breakdown of how these things happen.
Because they haven't read what the people who fought in the Civil War actually said.
Like, you know, Bill Maher's like, who's going to be fighting?
There's no north and there's no south.
And everyone says that.
And I'm like, there wasn't back then either.
The generals for the Confederacy went to West Point.
And they were actually having conversations when the states were seceding with the other generals.
Like, what do we do?
And then it was...
It might have been Jackson.
No, it was Robert E. Lee.
And he was like, I have to make a decision now for my country or my home, and I don't know what to do.
And then he went home and he said, I've chosen my home.
But they were all friends with each other.
Or they knew each other.
They went to West Point together.
So people don't seem to understand, man.
It's crazy.
I do not see an off-ramp.
We literally have a video where residents are attacking cops because the cops are enforcing an arrest warrant.
For a deportation.
And then a woman gets arrested.
So where does that go?
One answer is that nobody escalates.
The Trump administration says don't go and arrest anybody who was there or involved.
Let them just do it.
Maybe.
phil labonte
I mean, that's that.
Unfortunately, I think that that's probably the way that it would go, because that's what Trump.
tim pool
And then the left says.
We need to get violent and de-arrest these deportees like we do at the riots.
phil labonte
But they did get violent.
tim pool
And the left has something they call a de-arrest.
They wear black blocks so you can't identify them in court and then get away with the crimes.
And if a cop is arresting someone, they run up, grab the person, shove the cops, and pull the person out.
De-arrest, that's what they call it.
If the police don't arrest these individuals who are interfering with ICE raids, the left is going to be like, they're going to show the videos to people and say, Trust us.
They will not arrest you for this.
And then you get a hundred Antifa attacking ICE agents.
phil labonte
No, that's true.
But they can do this.
The police still have other means to wrap people up, right?
Like they can go to houses when there's not a mob of people around.
These people have places.
tim pool
And then the video is going to go viral and the left is going to say...
phil labonte
You can always come up with an escalation.
But if your point is that there's going to be an escalation and that there's nothing that we can do, that's fine.
But I'm telling you...
tim pool
That is the point, it's always been.
phil labonte
Then that's fine, but the point that I'm making is the police will continue to act.
They're not, like, they're not, you cannot have, the police will not allow the total, like, abolishment of all law.
They're going to behave, they're going to do things that they need to do to reinforce the law.
tim pool
And this is the long-standing point I've been making for seven years now.
When we were watching left and right beat each other mercilessly in the streets, And I was looking at them calling Donald Trump a traitor.
Unprecedented things were happening in this country.
And I said, wow, this is going to escalate.
What happened?
It literally did in the most psychotic of ways that you couldn't have possibly have dreamed up.
The J6 riots were crazy.
Charging Trump with 34 fake felonies is crazy.
Arresting his lawyers?
Crazy.
And where we are today, it's only gotten crazier.
phil labonte
I mean, I do agree with you, and I'm right there with you saying I don't see the off-ramp.
tim pool
And the point is, like, this is nuts, man.
brett dasovic
And it kind of goes back to what you were saying about how they don't have a platform on the left right now outside of just not Trump.
Like, if they were politically expedient in trying to work to actually win elections, they could find somebody with a moderate platform to calm people down.
But the most fervent people in their party are also these who are acting the most rash.
So there's nobody on that side to be a calm voice, to get everybody together, to get them to coalesce around new ideas.
They've only got anger.
tim pool
They can't because you're not going to convince someone who is a communist to not be a communist.
What I think people need to understand, and many probably already do, you rarely convert a person.
Most people who hold an ideological view had that since they were young.
And so what's happened with the left is that you have all these different factions of Democrat, liberal, and you can see this in like the Pew Research data how there's a spike in the left, but then there's like, there's a wide range.
A moderate lib is not going to agree with a communist.
They'll vote together probably though.
So you're not going to be able to get a politician who's going to be able to effectively communicate to communists and to moderate libs.
So there's not going to be a coalescing around any ideas other than Trump bad.
The only thing they share, all factions, is we hate the right.
phil labonte
Well, I don't see, like I said before, I don't see the off-ramp.
I don't know that it's something that is going to turn into a problem this particular year because it is an off-election year.
Election years tend to be the ones that are the most spicy, but I also don't...
I don't know what's going to happen in the next six months.
brett dasovic
Well, is there also, is there an off-ramp in just the fact that so much of it is, I mean, we're talking about ICE, we're talking about stuff like that, but it's a lot of coalescing around the hate for Trump, but he's not up for re-election in the next term.
So who do they transfer that over?
Because it has to eventually move on to whoever they end up putting up for election in 2028.
I don't know if you can build the same level of hatred around another candidate.
Trump has this unique ability to really, really upset a specific type of person and really, really make another type of person laugh.
And that's very divisive.
phil labonte
We've talked about this a little bit in the past week.
They were trying to set up that DeSantis was worse than Donald Trump.
When DeSantis seemed like he was doing well in the polls, you saw the news saying...
You know, Ron DeSantis is actually worse than Donald Trump because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever reason they could come up with.
But I don't think that it's Donald Trump.
As much as people say it's Donald Trump, I really don't think that it's Donald Trump.
Because the narrative of whoever's on the right is a Nazi, they were doing it to George Bush.
You know, they were doing it to...
Especially because George Bush was looking to do an expansive war.
He was looking to go into...
And the left has been using the tactics of call your opponents Nazis, call them fascists.
They've been saying that they've been that has been a tactic on the left for so long.
And just now it's been they've been able to spread it in a way that they would never were before because of the Internet.
brett dasovic
Yeah, but Trump's, like, the hatred of Trump goes beyond just the people who were calling Bush a Nazi back in 2004.
Your aunt, who never cared about politics, suddenly has strong opinions on this one specific politician, and it's fractured a lot of relationships.
phil labonte
I think that's a symptom of the internet.
And the way that the left has influenced the media and stuff, the left took—it used to be the right, the Christians and the right were the culturally dominant force in the United States.
Once Christianity kind of started to fall out of favor with the normies, and you saw it with the numbers of people going to church and calling themselves devout Christians, Once that happened, it was really replaced by this amorphous, just be good to everybody.
brett dasovic
Be kind.
phil labonte
Exactly.
brett dasovic
Be kind.
The worst person you've ever met in your entire life has a be kind sticker in their car.
unidentified
Exactly.
phil labonte
That's exactly right.
terry schilling
My least favorite neighbors have those signs.
brett dasovic
They do.
They all do.
terry schilling
They don't mow their lawns.
They're the most stuck-up ones.
brett dasovic
They're terrible.
No human is illegal.
phil labonte
But that's the thing.
There's no...
There's no regulating factor.
There's no limiting factor.
With Christianity, you have a set of rules and there are things you do and you do not do.
With the left, you have this amorphous be kind, right?
And that became the dominant kind of perspective from people.
And it was like, oh, live and let live and just be kind and be nice.
I forgot where I was going with that.
brett dasovic
Do you think the choice to elect an American pope is a form of outreach towards falling rates of Catholicism here in America?
tim pool
I don't know.
phil labonte
Maybe.
tim pool
Maybe because nobody expected him to win?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
He was at 1% on all the prediction markets.
brett dasovic
My goodness.
tim pool
That was bad for them.
terry schilling
Can I just say, though, I'm a cradle Catholic.
These prognostication markets on the pope are just...
All bullshit.
I mean, absolute garbage.
tim pool
Yeah, they did not know.
terry schilling
They have no clue.
tim pool
On the election, they did great.
terry schilling
Yeah, on the election, it's fine.
But you can talk to those people.
Good luck getting a hold of these Cardinals and getting who they're preferring for Pope.
tim pool
Do you think Pope Leo is woke?
terry schilling
No, I think we should pause and wait.
You know, look...
You can tell a lot about a pope based on the name he chooses.
That's what was concerning about Francis was he was the first Francis.
But Leo, choosing the name Leo is fantastic.
Leo the Great is actually how he's remembered.
He was an amazing pope, and he's called Leo the Great for a reason.
But Leo XIII is the Leo that came right before the XIV, this recent one.
He is the guy that gave us the St. Michael prayer, which is the ultimate spiritual warfare prayer.
tim pool
The one that triggered all that outrage when Trump posted or something?
terry schilling
Yes, yes.
But the cool thing is, so there's some history here.
Pope Leo XIII.
I had this vision of the devil getting a deal from God.
The devil said, basically, give me a century and I'll destroy the whole world and your church.
And so God said, okay, I'll give you additional leeway because God keeps the devil in line.
And Pope Leo XIII saw this and he said, all right.
Every Mass, you have to say the St. Michael prayer, because this is a spiritual warfare battle.
So you got that going.
But even more importantly, Pope Leo XIII produced an encyclical, which is a papal document instructing the Church on teaching.
And it was called Rerum Novarum, and it was the first...
Document that really went after the errors of communism.
It also went after a lot of the shortfalls and shortcomings of capitalism.
So I think it's very promising.
I don't think this guy is going to be woke.
I have a lot of optimism.
I think we should give him a chance.
Let's wait and see.
But he has a lot of base quotes about abortion and about protecting the unborn and protecting our elderly.
And also against gender ideology.
So let's just give him some time.
I'm actually very optimistic about this guy.
tim pool
Yeah.
It'll be interesting to see what happens, I suppose.
terry schilling
It's better than Francis II, I'll tell you that.
tim pool
Francis was kind of woke, wasn't he?
terry schilling
Super woke.
And he was vindictive.
You know, I heard a story...
phil labonte
South America and the whole liberation theology was why, right?
terry schilling
It was bad.
It was bad.
And he was super confusing.
He was not well-thought.
He wasn't well-spoken.
He was not academic in any way whatsoever.
But...
Pope Leo XIV is an Augustinian, which means, so the Augustinian order was founded by St. Augustine, right?
So all the way back, this is a very academic, intelligent pope.
tim pool
I don't care that he's from America.
terry schilling
Yeah, that doesn't matter.
tim pool
But I do care that he's from Chicago.
unidentified
Yeah.
terry schilling
He's a Sox fan!
tim pool
That's right.
We at Portillo's today ordered $1,000 worth of hot dogs.
Overnighted from Chicago so we could have a party.
phil labonte
Did they arrive cooked?
You have to cook them here?
unidentified
Gotta cook them.
tim pool
I mean, it's hot dogs.
They're basically cooked.
terry schilling
Well, Bartels is great.
tim pool
It's funny watching someone try to eat a Chicago hot dog for the first time because it's a monstrosity.
So it is poppy seed bun, hot dog, two tomatoes, a whole pickle, a whole dill pickle, sport peppers, relish, raw onion.
Mustard, celery salt, and it is ridiculously difficult to eat.
terry schilling
And it's fantastic to eat.
tim pool
And everybody loves them.
But I'm a bigger, I'm a Maxwell guy, which is, you know, a Maxwell Polish is grilled onions and mustard.
So if you get a hot dog Maxwell style, it's grilled onions and mustard.
That's the way you do it.
Grilled onions, caramelized mustard.
phil labonte
I'm a fan of...
unidentified
Pro tip.
tim pool
Pro tip.
We'll do, we'll order, we order pizza and hot dogs.
I think we'll do a party here where I'll order $30,000 worth of pizza and hot dogs.
phil labonte
I'm so starving right now.
tim pool
I am so hungry.
That was a joke reference to WikiLeaks emails, by the way.
phil labonte
Oh, really?
Why?
tim pool
Because there was a leaked email that Obama ordered $30,000.
This is funny.
terry schilling
Cheese pizza?
tim pool
Obama ordered $30,000 worth of pizza and hot dogs for a party in D.C. And idiots were like, that must mean...
Little boys and little girls.
No.
Obama was ordering Maxwell Street hot dogs and Giordano's.
Maybe Lou Malnati's or Pizzeria.
No, but probably Giordano's.
And it's like $30,000?
Yeah, he's overnighting it on a private jet to come in to cater a large party.
That's what rich people do.
terry schilling
That is what rich people do.
tim pool
And Chicago is famous for...
You know, it's really fascinating.
In Chicago...
We have burger joints, sort of.
We have hot dog joints.
So, when I was growing up, we didn't say, let's go to the burger joint.
We'd go to the hot dog joint.
brett dasovic
Like, when you mentioned Maxwell Street, the only times I'd ever gone in Chicago was always to get burgers, not to get hot dogs.
tim pool
They do have burgers, but that's like a side thing.
terry schilling
Is that a Polish thing?
tim pool
Hot dogs?
terry schilling
Yeah, or like, why would it be hot dogs and not...
tim pool
No idea.
But when I was a kid, we had a place called Donald's.
And it was a hot dog place, not a burger place.
And we wouldn't order burgers.
We'd order hot dogs.
We'd get hot dogs and fries.
And they had burgers, but some people would order them sometimes.
It's crazy.
Everywhere else in the country, everything's a burger joint.
Yeah, Chicago's a different universe.
terry schilling
See, you embarrass me because I'm a Quad Cities guy.
I'm from the western part of Illinois, and I always thought I knew a lot about Chicago, but every time I come on with you, I learn something.
You educated me about real Chicago pizza.
tim pool
Cavern pizza.
terry schilling
Right?
And I had no clue.
brett dasovic
If you hear my stomach rumbling, I apologize.
That started even before we started talking about food.
tim pool
We still have, I think.
30 hot dogs left.
All the buns.
All the fixings.
And we got Maxwell Street Polish.
We didn't even make those yet.
Did you see that Portillo's made the Leo?
No.
Portillo's.
Famous Chicago hot dog.
They got a couple in California because I guess the owner vacations.
But they don't want to expand outside of Chicago for the most part.
They made an Italian beef with Giardiniera called the Leo.
And we have a jar of Giardiniera downstairs.
And Tate was in here.
And I was like, check it out.
He's like, what's that?
And I'm like, I was like, Tate has never seen this word before.
And he goes, Giardiniera?
And I'm like, yep.
unidentified
Close.
tim pool
Giardiniera.
terry schilling
Wait, so is the Leo in honor of Pope Francis?
Yes.
I mean, Pope Leo.
Pope Leo.
I'm so used.
I'm still stuck.
That's pretty cool.
tim pool
Here we go.
terry schilling
Those Italian beefs, by the way, from Portillo's are amazing.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
terry schilling
I get them fully dipped.
tim pool
There you go.
terry schilling
There we go.
unidentified
Full dip.
terry schilling
Oh, that's awesome.
tim pool
Full dip.
terry schilling
That is awesome.
unidentified
Italian beef?
tim pool
It looks like a hot beef.
terry schilling
Yeah.
tim pool
The Leo.
phil labonte
Is there a hot dog in there?
tim pool
Well, so the combo is when you put the Italian sausage, then the beef.
phil labonte
Oh, God, it sounds so goddamn good.
tim pool
Giardiniera is so good.
terry schilling
Yeah, it's good.
tim pool
For those that don't know, it is pickled, cauliflower, carrots, jalapeno, celery, and what else?
There's one more thing, I think.
I don't know.
It's that.
It's in a jar.
terry schilling
It's so good.
tim pool
It's amazing.
On pizza.
My favorite pizza.
terry schilling
Oh, on pizza.
tim pool
Yeah.
Giardiniera pizza.
But you can only get it in Chicago.
Because nobody knows what Giardiniera is anywhere else.
New York has some Italian.
brett dasovic
My fiancé just said, we have Portillo's in my hometown now.
She's in Detroit.
She's like, next time we're there, we'll go and get some.
tim pool
Wow.
brett dasovic
I remember driving by there when we were back in town.
tim pool
We always wondered in Chicago why they didn't expand rapidly like any other fast food.
Because the lines are always so long that half the time we'd pull up and say...
Not interested.
brett dasovic
Not even worth it.
tim pool
But Portillo's didn't care.
They were like, we have more business we can muster up.
So they do what Chick-fil-A does, and they send people out to walk the line and take orders.
That way they can get your orders going.
And they have two windows.
It's crazy how big Portillo's is.
I mean, it's so good.
The way they make the burgers is they have a conveyor belt grill, and they put it on.
I don't know if Burger King does that, but it goes through the...
phil labonte
Oh yeah, the flame-boiled.
tim pool
Super cool.
All right, we're going to go to your chats, my friends.
Smash the like button.
Share the show with everyone, you know?
Yeah, do that.
Yeah, and we'll read your chats.
I was like, is there something else I've got to say?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
It's Friday.
Dill Knight says, Katie Hobbs got denied.
Only legal citizens can vote in AZ elections now if we can get rid of her.
Interesting.
phil labonte
That's the way it should be.
tim pool
Indeed.
Let's see.
What have we here?
YouTube's on the fritz.
That was a rumble rant.
All right.
Papa Khan says, can we get thoughts and prayers for the two corrections officers stabbed by an Arizona man?
One officer was stabbed 12 times in the chest.
The guy was here illegally and was already convicted of murder.
unidentified
Wow.
terry schilling
So we have an Arizona man hoax now.
tim pool
They keep doing that.
brett dasovic
I wouldn't be surprised if, like, one of these comic book companies makes a superhero called the Maryland man.
terry schilling
And talk to Seamus.
He can do it.
tim pool
All right.
Evan for USS Seems Like...
I caused quite a storm inadvertently.
The other day, Jeremy even made a video, and he seemed kind of upset, especially at Elad.
I'm sorry, y 'all.
Excuse me, maybe I misspoke.
He says, I was probably at least a little correct, but still, I probably didn't say what I heard and or saw correctly.
Yeah, I guess, Jeremy Hambly, the quartering's mad that Elad insulted him.
phil labonte
Well, Elad was, like, actually, like, he seemed like he was mad.
Like, he was...
Like, PO'd about what Jeremy said.
I mean, Jeremy was just a little bit like...
He was doing a little poke, you know, a little exaggeration, but...
unidentified
Yeah, I spoke to a lot later.
It seems like they're both missing each other, so...
phil labonte
Ah, okay.
unidentified
I don't think it's that serious, but...
phil labonte
Good.
unidentified
Who knows?
I don't know.
I don't pay attention like this.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Semi Farming says, any thoughts on who is doing the DDoS attack on Rumble?
No idea?
brett dasovic
Did the stream start fine for you tonight?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, we had no problems.
brett dasovic
We had to run it through like two or three times to get it to work, but we were able to get it up on time for today's show.
tim pool
Rumble has been under attack all day.
Yep.
Let's see.
Barry N. McGowan says, Tim, it's simple.
People don't hang out with people that don't align with their beliefs for fun.
People don't vote for people that don't align with their beliefs.
Trump won.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Dr. Doctor says, James Lindsay is not only woke, but he's not even a classical liberal.
He's actually a secular liberal.
You can't be an atheist and a classical liberal because natural law and rights are derived from God.
He's a revisionist.
This is, you know, James Lindsay's become so pathetic and desperate that he's destroyed what brand he had because I think he's trying desperately to get back in with the left.
So what he's done is he started attacking Anyone on the right as woke right, which makes literally no sense because Dave Smith and Candace Owens don't align on anything.
Or that's not fair, but they largely are completely different worldviews.
The only thing overlapping is criticism of Israel, but Dave Smith's Jewish himself.
So it's like this weird thing that James Lindsay's done.
There was a tweet, which I think why Dr. Doctor is super chatting, but it's...
Let me see if I can pull it up.
There's a good example of...
If those aren't familiar, James Lindsay was at one point a prominent liberal personality calling out woke stuff, but now he's literally just woke.
And I'll explain why.
So, Mike Cernovich had a tweet.
He said, someone tweeted, no one would be upset if Kanye had released a song called Hail Satan, and I can't stop thinking about that.
And this is in response to Kanye West putting out, you know, the song that he did.
Lindsey criticized him saying he's sanitizing evil.
Which is like, what?
He's criticizing the left for being evil.
And another individual responded that Cernovich is correct.
If Kanye or anybody else put out a song called like Black...
unidentified
I'm just going to read it.
tim pool
Black Pussy Stank.
The media and the mainstream would have no problem with it.
They'd cheer it on.
brett dasovic
Doesn't have quite the same ring as WAP, but yeah.
tim pool
Well, but this is the point.
James Lindsay is arguing then, and this is where I'm saying, like, this dude has fallen off and become desperate and is literally doing what people do.
He says, wrong.
How have you forgotten this Sam Smith BS from two years ago?
When Sam Smith dressed up like Satan and did body shop with the trans person, and it's just, yes, he was celebrated on the Grammys.
They cheered for him.
It was accepted.
The Grammys also had WAP.
They celebrated this.
Kanye West is blacklisted because he did a Nazi song.
This is the point Sernovich is making.
You're allowed to hail Satan, but not Hitler.
We understand Hitler is bad.
Satan is also bad.
So my point is, I saw that, and it's another grain of sand in the heap.
And I think also Seth Dillon from the Babylon Bee and many others are trying to push this narrative of a woke right, which literally does not make sense.
They may as well say alt-right.
They're saying anyone who is outside of our Overton window is woke right.
That's why they've lumped Aaron McIntyre with Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes and Dave Smith.
terry schilling
They couldn't be more different.
tim pool
And I'm like, what?
These people are all different.
unidentified
Right.
terry schilling
Well, I think, look, I know James.
He's a friend of mine.
I really like him, but I hate what he's doing here.
You know, there was a, I forget which outlet had it, but the left is already using this woke right in their headlines to attack us.
And in just a few short years, when anyone hears the word woke in the media, it's going to be used against the right.
It's never going to be used against the left.
tim pool
This is what James Lindsay is trying to do.
That's why he started this.
And I believe it's because at some point he decided Trump is going to lose and he doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history.
This is what woke generally is.
The core component, I describe woke as cult-like adherence to liberal social orthodoxy.
And the reason I do is it makes no sense to be anti-war, anti-military industrial complex and pro-Ukraine war.
It makes no...
Their positions are incoherent.
Two plus two equaling five?
They all know that makes no sense.
But they will rationalize it in any means possible to adhere to their cult.
James Lindsay attacking the right of various different political right-wing factions, not even necessarily right-wing necessarily, like a libertarian, makes no sense.
Except for he's trying to be on the outs with the Trump MAGA coalition so that he can eventually find his way back into doing podcasts with leftists and liberals because he's scared Trump will lose and he wants to have a good job.
terry schilling
Well, look, I would say that I've read a lot of these forums on Woke Right, and I think at the heart of it, these are people that believe that all of our laws should not make...
I'm sorry.
They believe that none of our laws should make values judgments, that they should all be neutral.
So the disagreement is I think that our laws should distinguish between good and evil.
That is the point of it.
You should not treat evil equally with good because evil will crowd out all the good and there won't be any more good.
tim pool
There's no definition of woke right.
terry schilling
None.
tim pool
Right.
James Lindsay basically made incoherent statements that he claimed were coherent and he's got followers who think he's telling the truth and he's not.
Let me stress again.
Like, Oren McIntyre, I guess, what would you describe him as?
Like, a civic nationalist?
terry schilling
Yeah.
Smart dude, too.
tim pool
Right.
I don't understand how he overlaps with Nick Fuentes.
And when James Lindsay was asked who's an example of Wilk Wright, he said Oren McIntyre.
And I said, yeah, that guy has, like, got nothing in common with Nick Fuentes.
terry schilling
Nothing.
tim pool
So, but what was the attack then?
Go back seven years.
What the liberal institutions were doing.
The universities was labeling everybody outside of their Overton window, including libertarians, alt-right.
Then, after they created the phrase alt-right, they morphed it into white nationalist.
The strategy was, and there was a dude I knew, not a political leader, he was a comedian.
And when they started the alt-right smears, labeling anybody alt-right, this dude saw some libertarian guy, probably Dave Smith, and he thought, Well, I agree with libertarians, so I must be alt-right too.
And then I remember one day he said, I was talking to him, and he's a comedian.
And then I was like, well, where do you fall on the political spectrum?
He said he was alt-right.
And I was like, for real?
And I was like, white nationalist?
And he was like, no, no, no.
Just like, you know, like libertarian, Ron Paul.
unidentified
And I said, you see what the media did.
tim pool
Now James Lindsay is doing that because he's a scumbag.
He is trying to create a term to attach it to various different groups of people.
Once they do, they're then, the press is going to take it, like you said, they're going to start using woke right, redefining it so that anybody who's ever been labeled that will fall under a different umbrella.
Likely going to be anti-Semite, white nationalist.
This is the same playbook they used before.
Why is James Lindsay doing it?
He claims he sacrificed his tribe, but what actually happened is he became irrelevant, and when The problem is his body of work is no longer relevant.
He did the Sokol Square hoax.
He's no longer relevant to the space.
So he can't get an in with the right.
He gets mocked over the golden Trump statue, whatever happened with that.
So he's got nothing.
So he goes...
I need to get back in with the universe.
It's the only career path I have for making money and surviving.
Also, he has like a stepdaughter who was attacking him over this stuff.
It seems like there were family issues, career issues.
And so he goes, I'll just attack everybody on the right as woke right, putting me at odds with Trump and his base.
I will then publicly declare that I've sacrificed my tribe.
Watch.
In six months to a year, he'll be on a bunch of liberal podcasts.
He'll be on Midas Touch.
And he'll be talking about how the right has gone woke and adopted things that are bad.
And, you know, he should have seen it coming.
There you go.
Let's read more.
All right.
We've got James.
He says, as a Georgian, there are a lot of folks here still sore over how Biden's fems, Biden's FEMA, sorry, helped after Helene.
We should swing red, especially as Fannie is in legal trouble, too.
phil labonte
We'd hope so.
Perhaps.
tim pool
Let's see.
What have we here?
Mad Max says, GOP wins 2026 midterms if the economy is doing well.
Economy should be the total focus for the GOP.
phil labonte
That I agree with.
tim pool
Agreed.
Agreed.
All right.
LiberateUSA says, hey guys, the reason we have a population crisis in this country is because we allow unfettered abortion.
If we didn't kill babies, we'd have many more people, you know?
Correct.
Biz says, Tim, have Kanye back on to discuss his new song.
The problem is it would get banned right away.
I'd love to talk to Ye about it.
I'll say this.
The song is sad.
Did you hear it?
terry schilling
I haven't heard it yet.
tim pool
Okay, so the song is...
It's got a silly name, which I'm not going to say.
And it's got a chorus, which you can't say on YouTube.
But the verse, the lyrics, is sad.
The lyrics are, they took my children from me.
Even with all my fame and money, I can't see my children.
They don't understand what I'm trying to say.
They don't understand how I'm feeling.
They just, you know, he says it over again.
Even with all my fame and money, I can't see my kids.
I can't see my children.
They froze my bank accounts and took everything from me.
And he says, so I became a Nazi.
Now I'm the villain.
And the sad thing is, if Ye had...
This is the problem with being as successful as he is.
He couldn't get a real bit of advice.
Or he was too arrogant to take it.
So everyone around him is cheering him on as he's just destroying himself.
You want to see your kids, Ye?
Well, you've burned that bridge.
Because now they're going to use everything you've done against you to make sure you never see your kids or make it as hard as possible for you to.
But when all this first started, he could have done one thing.
Got an ex, said, hey y 'all, Ye here.
Hey, I'm going to be put on a free show outside the courthouse.
They're telling me I can't see my kids.
I need your help.
Meet me there.
50,000 people chanting, give him back his kids.
Give him back his kids.
terry schilling
Look, he's a complicated guy, obviously.
But you could always tell he really loved his kids.
I mean, that whole interview he did where he's walking through the house and talking about how normal things are.
They watched Dateline together.
He really loved his family and loved his kids.
And, you know, guys go through stuff.
It really sucks.
I mean, I can't imagine losing my kids and it would be terrible.
tim pool
You know what I think happened?
The people who were running his labels and were doing these deals were Jewish.
So...
He gets into this conflict over family, mental health issues, and there's weird creepy stuff.
I get all that.
He then says, how come it's all these Jewish guys that are doing this to me?
And thinks it's, quote unquote, the Jews.
People then whisper in his ear.
He gets bad advice.
And he then starts, like, I think the reason to do the song.
Is in his mind, he's like, I'm going to get revenge on you by attacking you in a way that makes you angry and frustrated.
So I think he did this song and he's saying these things because he wants to attack the Jews because he blames them for why he lost his family and his contracts and all of this stuff.
When in fact it was guys who happened to be Jewish, not the Jews as in all of them.
But he doesn't want to hear that.
Anytime anybody says that to him, he gets angry and storms off or complains about it.
He's like, no, I want to be mad at every single one of them.
And it's like, we get what you're saying, bro.
We do.
Even Jon Stewart came out and said there's a lot of Jews in Hollywood.
But the way you're going about it sounds like you're saying something else.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
C 'est la vie, man.
He could have got his kids back, I guess.
Or he could have got something.
He had a lot of power with fame and money, but...
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Asso says, Tim, the Fight Club politic culture war upload was the best political video I've ever seen.
Also, you really solidified for me that you're my favorite pundit.
No glaze.
Keep up the good work.
Share the culture war if you liked it.
terry schilling
No glaze.
tim pool
That was just the pilot, man.
I don't even care if I'm good or bad or whatever.
Being on stage with an audience and having a debate with a crowd is a thousand times better than anything in the political space.
terry schilling
It's fun.
tim pool
It's like working with the crowd.
And having them, we gave everybody little, like, I don't know what you'd call it, little signs.
On once, it's a D20, and once I was a 1, I was a 20. And that's our meme, because, you know, do you know D&D?
terry schilling
Dungeons and Dragons?
A little bit.
tim pool
When you roll a 1, it's a critical failure.
When you roll a 20, it's a critical success.
Ian on the show one day said, I feel like I'm either going to roll a 1 or a 20 whenever I speak.
And everyone started laughing, like...
That accurately describes Ian.
terry schilling
Yeah.
tim pool
Half the time he's saying the stupidest thing you've ever heard.
terry schilling
It could be stupider.
tim pool
And then the other half, he's saying something that you didn't consider and you're like, I didn't think about that.
And so we made...
terry schilling
I love Ian.
He's so smart.
He's so...
tim pool
Smart.
terry schilling
That's a new one.
Thank you for reading me in on that reference.
That's good.
tim pool
But so everybody was holding up when someone would say something, they'd hold up a 20 or a 1. Yeah.
And so we're hoping to do more of these and get a bigger venue.
And I think...
terry schilling
How do people...
Like, how do you hear about it?
How do you sign up to go?
tim pool
Timcast.com members.
So everybody there was a member.
So we don't want it to be all ideologically similar.
So we told Pisco, the liberal lawyer, invite some of your friends, some liberals.
And so we had liberals on stage.
And then we brought people up from the crowd to join us on stage and get in the debate for like 5-10 minutes.
terry schilling
That's pretty cool.
tim pool
It was very fun.
That's awesome.
For like a half an hour we debated.
Then we bring people up to join the debate with us.
I'm hoping that we can do like 100 seats, public tickets in the future.
Right now we're bouncing ideas around.
80 seats for sale open to the public.
20 seats members only, first come, first serve.
Something like that.
And then if you want to join the debate, you have to be a member.
But we want the seats for the public because we want anybody to show up.
People who aren't just members to show up.
The reason is we want there to be...
If the audience is just our members, they're booing the liberal the whole time.
And we want some back and forth.
So we're trying to figure out how to do it.
terry schilling
You're on to something.
I mean, Americans want these types of debates.
They want real debates and discussions like this.
This could actually blow up to something much bigger than just 100 people.
Maybe that's not what you want.
tim pool
Well, no, I think we could probably sell at 1,000 seats.
So that was the first conversation I had with Sean.
I was like, should we do a 1,000-seat venue?
Because if we announce and we sell tickets, We're going to pack the house.
In fact, for the purpose of the show, we don't even need to sell the tickets.
We could do $5 at the door and we're going to sell this show out, especially in the DC Metro.
And then, you know, Sean said we should do a pilot and figure out how to do it before we try and sell out a big venue.
Because otherwise it'll be chaos.
And he was right.
I think we're going to do a handful of smaller shows and then maybe go for like 200 seats.
But I think we do them.
I want to do them every week.
Like a regular weekly thing where people are like, if I'm in town, I'll come.
The DC Metro has more than enough people to come and join us.
And then if you get touring comedians and other personalities who are coming in town that time, I think this could very well be a thing people are like, oh, when I go to DC, I want to make sure I check out Culture War.
terry schilling
I think it'll be fun.
tim pool
Something like that.
terry schilling
I love it.
I think it's awesome.
tim pool
So here's hoping.
Yeah, so I think we're planning the next one for one month from now.
terry schilling
Very cool.
tim pool
Probably going to be the same venue.
New personalities, new subjects, and then, you know.
But we gotta have Alex Stein.
I told Alex, like, we need Alex at every single one.
terry schilling
He's so good, dude.
He's the funniest human being of all time.
tim pool
The main issue is, if we invite someone to debate and they're really bad, getting kicked off by me would suck.
I'm not that funny of a guy.
It's just, you know, what would I say?
Like, hey bro, you suck.
Get off the stage.
Alex Stein kicking off is memorable.
terry schilling
Yes.
tim pool
Him.
terry schilling
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Right.
And then you're having a good time and you're part of it.
terry schilling
He's outrageous.
That's the best word for him.
He's outrageous.
tim pool
I feel like if I were to tell someone to get off the stage, they'd have a negative experience.
But if Alex did it, it's something they'd want filmed and to share with their friends.
terry schilling
Yeah, it would go viral.
tim pool
Just being like, yo, look when Alex was yelling at me.
And I'm like, we need someone who's having a good time and crazy like that.
So I'm super excited.
I'm super excited.
Alaskan Ballistic says, if you get a check from the federal government, you shouldn't be able to vote.
What about your tax refund?
phil labonte
That's your money.
tim pool
That's still a point, though, because business owners don't get refunds.
They pay quarterly.
So you're never getting a refund.
You're paying what you're told to pay or your estimates.
That's not true.
You can get a refund.
Because what happens is, based on your last year's taxes, you've got to pay an estimate.
And then if you don't...
And you end up owing more taxes, you get a penalty.
But if you end up owing less, if you pay your estimates but then don't make as much money, they'll give you a refund.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I love paying too much taxes.
terry schilling
I'm sure.
tim pool
Because at the end of the year, they're like, you actually paid too much, so you only owe $1,000.
And I'm like, oh, thank God.
Because our tax bills are...
phil labonte
I'm sure.
tim pool
You ever see a six-figure tax bill?
terry schilling
No.
Please go.
unidentified
Anyway.
tim pool
Jacob Jones says, personally, I prefer Winter Soldier.
High stakes espionage spy heist thriller.
I love that he was willing to self-sacrifice to save his best friend.
And one of the best scenes ever is when Captain America gets on the intercom and then he says, S.H.I.E.L.D.
has been taken over by HYDRA.
He gives his little speech and then he's like, you know, fight with me.
If I'm the only one willing to do it, then so be it.
But then when...
brett dasovic
Crossbones.
tim pool
Walks up to the guy and he's like, launch the ship now.
And he's like, I can't do that.
And then he points the gun at him and he's like, Captain's orders.
I love that scene.
brett dasovic
To me, it's when Fury and him are going down in the elevator and Fury's telling the story of his grandfather walking home every night.
unidentified
Yeah.
brett dasovic
In the speech, when they talk about the differences as they're launching the ships and he's talking about the cost of controlling a populace through fear.
As opposed to actual freedom, I thought that was the...
tim pool
What was the story?
He's like, my granddad bought a gun or something?
brett dasovic
Yeah, he's like, he carried the gun in his lunchbox, and they'd tell him, get to stepping.
He's like, granddad loved people, but he didn't trust them much.
tim pool
All right.
Brad Peter says the vigilantism is starting already.
Poso had the story, Indiana man was offed by cops in an attempt to off man who offed his great-grandkids.
There's an offering.
phil labonte
Sean was talking about that last night, too.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
phil labonte
He was killed?
There was a man that was killed, a young man that was killed by a police officer, and then the man's father went and killed another police officer who was not in the same...
tim pool
No, no, no, I know that, but that's not what they said.
phil labonte
What did he say?
I'm sorry.
tim pool
An Indian man was offed by cops in an attempt to off a man who offed his great-grandkid.
phil labonte
Oh.
tim pool
That's a different story.
phil labonte
Yeah, that is a different story, my bad.
tim pool
Yeah.
Which story was that?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
Poso had it?
brett dasovic
So there's just going to be one for every state?
There's going to be an Indiana man?
tim pool
Yeah, this just happened.
brett dasovic
Wyoming man?
phil labonte
Just today?
tim pool
Yeah.
Chicago police fatally shoot man who was allegedly Who allegedly fled to Indiana.
Fired shots at officers.
Is that the story?
Let me read it real quick.
A police person being saw in connection with the aggravated battery.
The man crashed a vehicle in Dearborn.
No, this is a different story.
You search for Indiana shooting and cops and you're getting 500 stories all at once.
Sorry.
terry schilling
Gary.
tim pool
But I'll take a look at what posted.
terry schilling
Thank you very much.
tim pool
Alright.
Blake says the Bali War is heating up.
unidentified
Oh god.
phil labonte
The Bali War.
tim pool
R. Terry says, watched Thunderbolts today.
It was actually good.
No woke trash.
So they added the new Avengers thing at the last minute?
brett dasovic
That was filmed like four weeks before the movie came out.
tim pool
Wow.
You know what's funny is during the Super Bowl they weren't advertising Captain America.
They were advertising Thunderbolts.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And we were here and someone, I can't remember who it was, they were like, why aren't they advertising Captain America?
It's coming out in a few weeks.
brett dasovic
It was already a financial loss.
They knew they weren't going to get their money back on it.
They're still filming stuff for Fantastic Four right now.
unidentified
Yep.
brett dasovic
Yep.
That's not good.
tim pool
It's because, let me just say this.
When they started making these superhero movies, they were one-offs.
And they only slightly connected them.
So when Avengers happened, it was like, oh man, all of these individual movies are coming together in one story.
That's going to be fun.
Then they were like, okay, that worked.
Let's do it every single time forever now.
brett dasovic
Yeah, it's awful.
It was better when they were just tangentially connected through one through line that you could remember.
But now they make sure that all of the Easter eggs connect to other properties and it ends up turning it into homework for everybody.
Nobody wants their entertainment to be freaking homework.
tim pool
Yep.
Doctor Strange is one of my favorite movies.
It was awesome.
But then they did Multiverse of Madness and it was just the Avengers again.
brett dasovic
I liked that one fine.
Too long.
tim pool
They sidelined all the original characters and did an entirely different story that was predicated upon a TV show that people didn't watch.
brett dasovic
When I was watching, I'm like, why is Scarlet Witch evil?
unidentified
Oh!
brett dasovic
Oh, I forgot.
tim pool
I tried watching Daredevil, and I was like, what are they talking about?
Frisk went to prison?
brett dasovic
Yeah, because you weren't watching Echo.
tim pool
Of course I didn't watch Echo!
brett dasovic
Or any of the other stuff that he's been in.
They should have just left it at seasons one through three anyways.
tim pool
The problem is, They used to make a movie where it's like, this is Captain America.
Here's his adventure.
Bye.
Now they're like, this is Captain America with his friend Captain Bob and Captain Jane and Captain Smith.
brett dasovic
So that we can spin off into Captain Bob.
tim pool
And you guys remember when Captain America fought, you know, the Spike guy?
No.
Well, Spike guy's actually evil now.
I don't know who Spike guy is.
phil labonte
I mean, but what they did was, like, it was based on, like, the crossovers that they used to do in the comics, like Secret Wars and stuff like that.
For me, I thought that it was cool when they did it with the Avengers.
It did get too big when they were like, oh, you've got to watch our television show and you've got to watch this episode.
tim pool
That's the issue.
brett dasovic
Infinity War was based on a comic run, although vastly changed, still was all done before they started implementing all the Disney Plus shows that turned it into homework.
tim pool
Infinity War was the end.
When Captain Marvel came in, the theater I was in, everyone groaned.
There were two moments everyone groaned.
It was when...
brett dasovic
Girl boss team up.
tim pool
Yep.
She's not alone and all the women walk up.
brett dasovic
Imagine everybody rolled their eyes when they were filming it.
tim pool
And then I was watching it in Maryland somewhere.
And then when Captain America gets headbutted by Thanos...
And she doesn't flinch?
The whole audience groaned.
Like, oh my god.
brett dasovic
It's because everybody remembers the scene when Captain America has Thanos by the gauntlet and it's taking every bit of his strength to keep him from finishing him off and that scene closed the trailer and that's great storytelling.
It's great art.
tim pool
And there's no...
The issue largely is there's a scale of power and you're...
So at the start of Infinity War, the reason why...
Hulk loses to Thanos was to show the audience how strong Thanos was.
So then when they had Captain Marvel be invincible, it was just like...
brett dasovic
It also kind of heightens Thor's story as he's, you know, from Infinity War.
tim pool
Cringe.
Endgame was a disappointment.
But anyway, my friends, it's been a fun Friday night.
Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
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Terry, do you want to shout anything out?
terry schilling
Yeah, check me out on every social media account at shilling1776.
S-C-H-I-L-L-I-N-G 1776.
brett dasovic
Guys, if you want to follow me, you can follow me on Instagram and on Twix, at Brett Dasovic on both of those platforms.
But what you should check out is Pop Culture Crisis.
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We have gotten onto Rumble now.
So if you are not following us over there, you should go and follow us on Rumble as well.
We need to catch up.
We're at like 359,000 subscribers on YouTube and like 1,000 on Rumble.
So let's jump those numbers up.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
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The band is All That Remains.
Our new record is entitled Anti-Fragile.
You can check it out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora, and Deezer on YouTube.
And don't forget the left lane is for crying.
tim pool
We will see you all throughout the weekend with clips and then we're back Monday.
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