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May 7, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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India Launches AIR STRIKES On Pakistan, Nuclear War Feared, Trump Calls For QUICK END | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Some people are arguing that the claims...
Coming out of Pakistan are fake.
The claims coming out of India are fake.
We're going to have to break this down because there's a lot of information.
Donald Trump has just recently spoken about this, saying that he hopes it ends very, very quickly.
But of course, these two nations are nuclear armed.
And that's why there is a concern that this could escalate into nuclear war.
I'm going to say right off the bat, I personally don't think it goes that far.
I do have concerns personally, once again.
With the conflict between Israel and the Houthis now, with these strikes going back and forth, Iran, of course, China and Taiwan could break out.
Russia is launching ballistic missile strikes in Ukraine.
War is breaking out all across this planet, all over this planet.
And so it is pretty worrying.
But I am not just saying nuclear war fears.
No, quite literally, we've got an article where they're telling you how to survive a nuclear war.
All of these news outlets are saying, hey, look, you've got two nuclear-powered nations.
This could get serious.
So we'll talk about that, and that is the principal news.
However, I want to give a shout-out to Stephen Marsh, who appeared on MSNBC warning that the U.S. may go to war with Canada.
phil labonte
Clown show.
tim pool
So, okay.
unidentified
All right.
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amber athey
Hi everybody.
I'm Amber Duke.
I'm the senior editor for The Daily Caller, the co-host of The Hills Rising, and co-host of Free Media at Reason.
Check me out on X at AmberMarieDuke.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out.
Libby's here too.
libby emmons
I'm hanging out, too.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm with the Postmillennial and Humanevents.com.
Glad to be here.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Well, we'll just start right away with the statement from President Trump responding to the operation, saying that he hoped it ends very quickly.
He says, you know, they've been fighting for many, many decades and centuries.
Actually, if you really think about it, I just hope it ends very quickly.
We have a ton of crazy images and videos coming out.
Several dead, including children, as India launches airstrikes on terrorist camps inside Pakistan.
Islamabad says at least two warplanes were shot down.
Latest update, if I can, we've got a live tracker right here, and I believe I may have to search for it because so much is, look at this.
Pakistan's defense minister, Asif, said on Bloomberg TV that Pakistan shot down five Indian planes and has taken some Indian soldiers prisoner.
There was no immediate response from the Indian government outside of business hours.
So this is happening.
This may escalate.
This is Jeanette Rodriguez for Bloomberg saying, To Pakistan's statement about downing five Indian planes, the last time the two countries had a similar conflict was in 2019 when India had struck what it said were terrorist camps after an attack it blamed on Pakistan.
At the time, Pakistan had taken one Indian Air Force pilot prisoner and released him soon after.
So there's a lot going on right now.
We've got...
Videos here.
Airspace is closed.
Markets are shaken.
India-Pakistan tensions surge.
We've got this image, apparently, of some of these strikes.
And we have Jim Sciuto.
The reason I bring this up is he initially reported the two planes being down at 6 p.m.
However, this is not an official community note that you're seeing.
They're arguing, in fact, it's fake.
But the challenge we have right now is propaganda.
Fifth generational warfare, so we don't know what's true and what's not.
amber athey
Well, I certainly wouldn't be using Jim Shudo as the trustworthy source.
He was, of course, responsible for that Trump Tower Don Jr. story.
So it's going to be definitely...
It's difficult, I think, to find out which journalists are actually reporting accurate information, but I would say Jim Sciuto is probably off of that list.
phil labonte
Do you guys have a sense of how reliable the information that's coming out of either side is?
I know that they have had a lot of beef in the past, and I've heard that there was a lot of bad blood because one of them, maybe, I don't know how many years ago, but in the past 10 years or so, one of them shot one of their other country's planes down.
The beef is still ongoing, but they're not reliable because India says it didn't happen, Pakistan says it did, and that's kind of the going thing.
Do you guys have any sense of what kind of reliable information there is?
amber athey
No, and I think there's...
There's claims of questionability on both sides.
And if you're referring to the 2019 incident, so what happened was there was a similar situation where there was an alleged terror attack by Pakistan on India.
India responded with a strike.
Pakistan responded by shooting down a Pakistani fighter plane, taking the pilot hostage.
And basically the conflict settled down after Pakistan agreed to return the pilot to India.
So it's possible we see another quick resolution.
There's been skirmishes between these two countries for a very long time, for decades.
But the last war, I believe, was in 1998.
tim pool
8 or 99?
amber athey
98 or 99, which was coincidentally the same year that Pakistan became a nuclear power.
tim pool
Indeed, and they didn't use them.
So hopefully this just becomes a flash in the pan.
We do have some videos.
Daily Mail has these videos posted.
I don't know how much we actually can play because there's a lot of graphic images that are coming out.
We can just see these appear to be airstrikes going off in Pakistan.
And, oh boy!
So we've got Israel and Yemen.
We've got Russia, Ukraine.
We've got, potentially...
Well, there is border issues between China and India, if I understand correctly.
amber athey
Well, and China is ostensibly aligned with Pakistan in the fight over Kashmir.
So that would be the concern is if China decides to get involved.
phil labonte
So, I mean, I don't – I personally don't – and this is just my gut feeling.
It's not like I have some kind of deep knowledge of China, Pakistan, and India.
But I don't think that China would do it.
But again, I'm just a dude that talks on the internet.
So what do I know?
And the reason I think they wouldn't is because of the fact that the U.S. is ostensibly aligned with both of them.
And so that would put tension with the U.S. and China.
And considering the tariff war right now, or the trade war right now, I feel like China doesn't want to escalate tensions.
Even though they're going to talk big, you can hear a lot of stuff coming out of China that's kind of smuggled out, information smuggled out, where China is having a rough go of the tariff war.
I don't think they want to escalate it.
amber athey
Yeah, and the administration spoke to both India and Pakistan a couple of weeks ago, shortly after that terror attack took place.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio called the Pakistani prime minister as well as the The Indian External Affairs Minister and basically was like, hey, I feel bad for you guys.
This was a horrible attack, but please don't escalate this any further.
The readout from the call said he encouraged India to work with Pakistan to de-escalate tensions and maintain peace and security.
tim pool
Rubio did put out a tweet just a few minutes ago saying, I am monitoring...
The situation between India and Pakistan closely.
I echo POTUS's comments earlier today that this hopefully ends quickly and will continue to engage both India and Pakistan.
Leadership towards a peaceful resolution.
Yeah, here's hoping.
I find this to be one of the more interesting elements of this modern warfare, RVCJ Media.
libby emmons
What is that?
tim pool
Which is India's largest digital publisher, they say, with one million followers on X. They said, Oh, yeah.
You know, I just want to say, probably the stupidest thing you could post on X?
libby emmons
Yeah, it's not super stupid.
tim pool
You're convincing no one.
I don't understand the purpose of coming out and being like, here's an image with a link to where it's got the Google Play icon on it and all their socials saying, don't believe the facts.
I'm sorry, don't believe the lies.
amber athey
It's definitely giving graphic design as my passion.
phil labonte
It's not Comic Sans, but it's real close.
tim pool
But the don't fall for propaganda.
Here's an image we made to tell you that we're correct.
Oh, I'm going to believe that.
amber athey
It does kind of give Israel-Palestine vibes.
tim pool
Which side are we supposed to be on?
I don't know.
libby emmons
I have no idea.
phil labonte
I'm on the United States side.
amber athey
I don't really care.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't want to see this drag out.
I don't want to see them use nuclear weapons.
Otherwise, I don't really care if they're fighting, honestly.
amber athey
They've been fighting forever since Kashmir was first declared independent in, what, like 1947?
libby emmons
Oh, that's quite similar.
amber athey
It was a British colony, right?
libby emmons
Israel was in 1948.
Yeah.
My main thought about all of this is I'm glad that we're...
You know, doing a lot of defense spending and planning to rebuild our military.
That seems like a good idea.
Make friends with Canada and Mexico and let's, you know.
tim pool
The U.S. initially was on the side of Pakistan in that India was closer to the Soviet Union.
I mean, I did a quick Google search, so it takes it with a grain of salt.
But now, obviously, especially with Donald Trump.
The U.S.'s relations are much closer in ties with India.
amber athey
Yeah, and Trump and Modi are pretty close.
libby emmons
Well, India and the U.S. should be friends.
I mean, we have similar backstories in terms of British colonization.
unidentified
If that's the standard, there's a lot of people we should be friends with.
libby emmons
I was like floating that take to see what would happen.
I don't even know if I think it.
phil labonte
I don't think you do.
amber athey
It would be us posting in real life.
Love it.
libby emmons
Right?
Why not?
Go for it.
phil labonte
We're just testing the waters.
tim pool
I mean, India, as far as I know, is not a sanitary country.
But am I wrong?
libby emmons
No, you're not.
In fact, I accidentally was watching a bit of a TED Talk today that was like scrolling on Twitter when I forgot to turn off the video I was looking at.
And it was this woman, this Indian woman, who was giving a talk about how the most...
Open defecation in the world is actually in rural India.
Like more than half of the world's open defecation.
unidentified
That may be true, but the fact of the matter is we haven't been attacked by Indians.
amber athey
San Francisco, India.
phil labonte
See, look at that.
libby emmons
You're feeling me now, Amber.
phil labonte
We haven't been attacked by Indians in a long, long time.
Pakistan's got some people that don't like Americans.
They were hiding Bin Laden.
amber athey
They definitely don't try to kill you if you're not Hindu, so there's that.
phil labonte
That's true.
tim pool
There's an island nation where the people go into the water to do their business, and there's so much accumulating outside the island that it's poisoning the small aquifer and killing all the fish.
libby emmons
That's a terrible idea.
unidentified
Where?
phil labonte
Manhattan.
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
libby emmons
Oh, that's terrible.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
That sounds more like California.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
tim pool
So the fears here, this is interesting, this story from Economic Times, India Times, India-Pakistan war chilling 2019 study had predicted a nuclear war in 2025 and what could happen.
They said the tensions between India and Pakistan have sharply escalated.
We get it.
This is all happening right now in Jammu and Kashmir's polygam last month.
They say researchers theorized that a major terror attack initially imagined as an assault on the Indian parliament would provoke India to mobilize troops along the line of control.
Prompting Pakistan to respond in kind as tensions boil over, skirmishes and casualties on both sides would lead to a rapid escalation.
Which is kind of what we're seeing.
amber athey
Sort of.
tim pool
However, they go on to say, day one, Pakistan uses ten tactical nuclear weapons, each with a yield of five kilotons within its own borders against Indian tanks.
Yeah, not happened.
phil labonte
Well, the...
The strategy, if I understand correctly, is Pakistan has threatened—if India invades, Pakistan will use nuclear weapons inside its own border.
And India has said, if you use nuclear weapons on our troops in your own border, we will still consider that a nuclear strike and we will retaliate with nuclear weapons.
amber athey
Yeah, so India has a first-use policy, although in 2019 they were kind of waffling on whether or not they were going to stick to that.
Plus, also, do you trust governments?
unidentified
You won't do it.
amber athey
I don't.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, it says, Pakistan responds with 30 airbursts over Indian garrisons,
naval bases, India retaliates.
Global fallout.
Assuming both countries possess around 250 nuclear weapons each.
The researchers warn catastrophic consequences.
50 to 125 million immediate deaths, depending on weapon yield.
Major Indian and Pakistani cities would be completely destroyed or rendered uninhabitable.
Healthcare, transportation, energy, and finance would be in ruins.
The devastation wouldn't stop there.
The climatic effects of the smoke and firestorms would impact the entire planet, potentially triggering famines that could affect billions.
Ramifications would be enormous and global insurances.
amber athey
Well, the good news is, although there's still a lot of nukes that the two countries have, it's not 250 apiece.
According to the Arms Control Association, India has 172, and Pakistan has 170 for a total of 342.
So we're not quite at the level that the study predicted, which is good news.
phil labonte
I mean, if they lit off 200 nukes between the two of them...
amber athey
It would still be very bad.
unidentified
No, I'm definitely in agreement with that.
amber athey
I'm just saying the study maybe is not as...
tim pool
No, no.
It says both countries possess 250.
I think they mean in total.
libby emmons
Oh, together.
amber athey
But it says each.
250 each.
tim pool
Oh, you're right.
You're right.
I am incorrect.
Because I'm looking at the numbers and I'm like, based on the numbers you gave, that's like 250.
Or what did you say?
amber athey
342.
tim pool
342.
amber athey
Collectively.
unidentified
Oh.
amber athey
It's like 170 apiece.
tim pool
Oh, okay, okay.
amber athey
So it's still very high, but it's not quite there.
tim pool
Unless they have more now than what's been reported.
amber athey
Great.
This is supposed to be an up-to-date count, but what do I know?
I'm not desperate.
phil labonte
Do you guys have any sense of what they're, like, I know that Pakistan's mostly Muslim.
I know that India is mostly Hindu.
But do you guys know, like...
Do you have any sense of what the Hindus...
Do Hindus value life the way that Westerners do?
Because in Islam, there's a whole lot of like, well, if we're at war, everybody that dies goes to heaven because it's jihad.
So they tend to have a different outlook on human life than Westerners do.
Do you feel this?
Do you guys know anything about how Hindus?
libby emmons
I don't know much about Hinduism.
I know, like, don't they believe in reincarnation?
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, do y 'all want to come back as bugs?
What do you know, Serge?
libby emmons
You gotta know something.
serge du preez
Yeah, I mean, I lived in Singapore for a while, so a lot of Hindu friends in high school.
I know that Hindus and Pakistanis, or Indians and Pakis do not like each other.
They haven't liked each other for a long time since the partition in 47. Tim's looking at videos right here.
But, I mean, I don't know.
They definitely don't want to die.
Reincarnation isn't like that.
You have to be good in your life.
libby emmons
You have to reach enlightenment.
serge du preez
Work off your dharma.
Right, you have to be working off dharma.
If you're not doing that and you're just being a bad person altogether, it's not going to...
Go well for you just to reincarnate.
It's not like the Japanese idea.
As long as you die for the emperor, you're good.
No, it's way more different than that.
It's a lot deeper than that.
tim pool
It's interesting.
So this video, everybody is sharing saying that it is of the strikes.
I've seen this in news articles.
However, the proposed community note cites Grok saying it's from Gaza.
Not India and Pakistan.
libby emmons
Well, that's back to this whole thing.
Every time something happens, this is something I always remember.
tim pool
Wait, wait.
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Look at this.
It also says, no evidence supports claims of recent airstrikes between India and Pakistan.
Okay, Grok, you're drunk.
libby emmons
Well, there's been this whole thing about AI chatbot hallucinations.
Have you guys seen about that?
Where it's like the chatbot just keeps getting things wrong, and the more they try to fix it, the more it screws up.
tim pool
Did you see the video where they put the rock in to chat GPT 100 times?
libby emmons
No.
phil labonte
They put what in?
tim pool
They put a picture of the rock into ChatGPT and said, remake this image with no changes.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
amber athey
And it turned into like a minstrel show.
libby emmons
I saw that.
I actually saw that, but with a different...
tim pool
And then a Picasso.
libby emmons
With like a different lady.
Like some lady they did that to.
And it just changed.
It changed from like a thin white lady with curly hair to like an overweight black woman with an afro.
It's like a game of telephone.
tim pool
So I'm pretty sure this is a video from the airstrikes that we're seeing.
I don't know if there's...
unidentified
No idea.
tim pool
I don't know.
We'll try and fact check that one.
libby emmons
Well, the thing is, like, as soon...
After...
I don't know if you find this, Amber, but, like, as soon as something happens, you have, like, maybe 24 hours to get a sense of what's going on, and after that, it's just all fog of war.
It's like totally hard to figure anything out after that if you don't speak the language of the place.
tim pool
There's a couple challenges, especially with social media.
We're going to be slammed by a bunch of fake videos, and then the problem is tomorrow I'll be propaganda.
libby emmons
Exactly.
That's like what happened with Israel and Gaza in the first place.
It's like October 7th.
You could figure out what was going on.
You could look at it October 8th.
You could look at it by October 10th.
It's confusing.
Same thing with Ukraine and Russia.
Ukraine and Russia.
amber athey
Ghost of Kiev and all that.
libby emmons
Yeah, like that whole ship thing.
Yeah, it was all ludicrous.
You have no idea what's going on.
That's why I think local reporting from these places is important.
Places that don't have a free press, you don't know what they're feeding you either.
amber athey
And even so, even if they do have a free press, you don't know if those local journalists are trustworthy.
I mean, really, the only way to be 100% sure is to have an outlet that you trust who has a reporter on the ground.
libby emmons
That's what is so infuriating about the incessant wokeness of the New York Times, AP, and Reuters.
These were the outlets that were supposed to go around the world and be like, okay, guys, this is what I have gleaned.
They have the resources.
They're out there doing it.
And instead, they're sending us back all this nonsense.
amber athey
You can't even trust their war reporters anymore.
Clarissa Ward in Ukraine hiding in a bunker and people are just walking around next to her.
libby emmons
Or the AP in the same building as Hamas in Gaza and being pals with those guys.
This is why free independent reporting is so important and why...
I personally get so angry at the big outlets and all their resources that got Trump deranged and lost it all.
Yeah, infuriating.
tim pool
There are a lot of fake videos being circulated, so it's hard to sort through.
amber athey
I mean, the other element of this that we haven't really talked about is the retaliatory strike from India, they claim, was on terrorist infrastructure and was highly targeted.
And Pakistan is claiming that it wasn't, obviously, that they were hitting mosques or sort of indiscriminately bombing citizens.
So that's another claim.
phil labonte
It seems like Muslims say everybody's hitting mosques.
According to Muslims, this is what you see a lot.
amber athey
Also, are you training terrorists in the mosque?
Because that might be an oversimplification.
phil labonte
Look, man.
I'm not saying.
amber athey
Are you holding terrorists in the school?
phil labonte
I'm not saying.
I'm just saying.
tim pool
Well, what we often get from...
Not just any particular group, but largely from the left, is to weaponize your goodwill against you.
phil labonte
Yeah, totally.
tim pool
So when they say, oh, you're bombing schools and hospitals, and oh, the children, and then you find out that they're putting children there intentionally.
amber athey
Toxic empathy.
tim pool
Yeah, and escalating the war intentionally, but trying to trick us into either not getting involved or being on their side.
The one thing I think everyone's got to be very wary of, did you guys see Happy Pay Day?
They called it on X. No.
When the payout day happened on X, which everybody gets their money, a whole bunch of Indian accounts started tweeting at each other saying, happy payday.
amber athey
Yes.
tim pool
And they all run these...
The most prolific users of X right now are like India and Turkey or whatever.
And you look up their accounts and all they do is tweet every second.
And what's happening is they have a big network where they all respond to each other.
So they just...
Run a bunch of different accounts and they all respond to each other and game the system and pull money out of the advertising, sending it to them.
amber athey
It's just content farming.
And I'm going to take this totally off topic for a second, but I think it kind of folds in with the tariff conversation that's been happening right now.
One of the underreported parts of it is that there are a lot of countries that have tariffs on digital services.
So if you are a content creator in the United States and you make an Instagram Reel and you're getting bonus money off of it...
If you operate in Canada or your video gets shared in Canada or vice versa, Canada actually has a tariff on the money that's made off of that content.
And so a portion of the revenue goes to paying that tariff.
So the U.S. has basically been losing potential tax revenue from Instagram and Facebook and all of these social media companies through digital services tariffs.
It's really fascinating, actually.
I don't know if India has that, but maybe they do.
tim pool
Well, my friends, fear not.
We have this from msn.com.
India-Pakistan war.
How to survive a nuclear attack.
We got you covered.
We here at Timcast IRL are going to make sure that you all know exactly what you need to do if nuclear war starts.
But don't take my word for it.
Let's throw it to our good friends over at MSN and the Economic Times.
They wrote, India is set to conduct mock drills in over 200 cities amid rising tensions with Pakistan following the...
How do you pronounce that?
Pahalgam?
amber athey
That's as good of a guess as I could have had.
tim pool
Care attack.
They say the other measures are provisions for crash blackout measures, early camouflaging of vital plants and installations, and updating and rehearsing evacuation plans.
The mock drills also include the operationalization of hotline and radio communications links with the Indian Air Force, testing the functionality of control rooms and shadow control rooms.
Now, before I read exactly what you do in a nuclear attack, do you guys remember when New York put that PSA out?
libby emmons
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You don't remember that one?
Let me pull that one up.
They were talking about how to survive a nuclear attack.
amber athey
I remember the Hawaii bomb shelters when everyone was freaking out that North Korea was going to launch missiles at the U.S. That was a big mess up.
Yeah.
CNN sent Sarah Snyder over there and she was hiding in the missile dungeon.
phil labonte
That was a big whoopsie.
tim pool
The New York Times called it inside the making of NYC's bizarre nuclear war PSA.
City officials released a video in July on how to survive a nuclear attack.
What year was that?
2022.
amber athey
I don't remember this.
libby emmons
Me neither.
tim pool
You don't remember this one?
We were all like, what's going on?
And this is when the war was starting, I think, or a few months after the Russia-Ukraine war.
libby emmons
Yeah, that was February.
unidentified
Don't ask me how or why.
Just know that the big one has hit, okay?
So, what do we do?
There are three important steps that I want you to remember.
Step one, get inside fast.
You, your friends, your family, get inside.
And no, staying in the car is not an option.
You need to get into a building and move away from the windows.
Step two, stay inside.
Shut all doors and windows.
Have a basement?
Head there.
If you don't have one, get as far into the middle of the building as possible.
If you were outside after the blast, get clean immediately.
Remove and bag all outer clothing to keep radioactive dust or ash away from your body.
Step three, stay tuned.
Follow media for more information.
Don't forget to sign up for Notify NYC for official alerts and updates.
And don't go outside until officials say it's safe.
tim pool
You told us that already, lady.
libby emmons
That's crazy.
tim pool
A nuclear attack on Yeah, and everybody was like, what's going on?
libby emmons
Basically, instead, everybody's dead.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I don't think that India is going to nuke us.
libby emmons
No, I think they don't have the reach.
phil labonte
Just in the context of that PSA there.
They don't have ICBMs.
Well, they might possibly have ICBMs.
They did send a probe to the moon.
Yeah.
tim pool
They definitely do.
phil labonte
So if they can get to the moon, they can get to the other side of the planet.
libby emmons
This is why we need that, what is it, the platinum dome that Trump was talking about?
tim pool
The Agni V. Golden dome.
libby emmons
Golden dome, yes.
tim pool
It's got a 5,000.
libby emmons
Why not platinum?
tim pool
They say its official range is 5,000 kilometers.
Oh, so it can't reach us.
Some estimates put it to 7,000 to 8,000.
phil labonte
Yeah.
libby emmons
I like a missile defense system.
phil labonte
I'm into that, especially considering nowadays missile technology is not as exclusive as it used to be.
Countries like India, Pakistan.
You've had multiple countries send probes to the moon now.
libby emmons
Sure.
Everyone's got a bunch of satellites.
phil labonte
So if you can get a probe to the moon, you can get a warhead to the other side of the planet.
So the oceans no longer isolate us the way they did 50 years ago.
So I'm all for missile defense.
amber athey
I have iodine pills.
phil labonte
I do too.
tim pool
Yeah, but those...
amber athey
Realistically, if a new kid's DC, I think I'm done for.
tim pool
The iodine tablets...
amber athey
I'm just outside.
tim pool
That's just for the particles that might get in your skin and go in your thyroid?
amber athey
It's for radiation treatment, yeah.
tim pool
It doesn't treat radiation.
It fills your thyroid so that you don't absorb iodine-131 specifically.
People think iodine...
What is it?
libby emmons
What are you supposed to do with them, then, if you have iodine tablets?
tim pool
So the reason they sell out is because people are concerned about, I believe it's iodine-131.
When you ingest it, it goes into your thyroid and it's emitting radiation, and so it's going to damage your thyroid.
So if you take iodine, your body will reject any radioactive iodine that's going into your body.
But people believe that the iodine pills are going to protect them from radiation.
amber athey
I definitely don't believe that.
phil labonte
What you need to get is an Avon C50 gas mask.
amber athey
Okay.
phil labonte
Because that way you don't breathe in the particles that are radioactive.
amber athey
Yeah.
I kind of just think, like, if it's that...
I'm, like, 30 minutes out of D.C. at that point.
I just hope it kills me.
unidentified
Because I don't want...
phil labonte
I don't know.
amber athey
I don't want my skin sloughing off, you know?
libby emmons
That sounds like it would be really unpleasant.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what my dad used to tell me when I was a kid.
libby emmons
Your skin's gonna slough off?
tim pool
He would say, if you saw a nuclear bomb coming right down, what do you do?
And I was like, Ronnie goes, which way?
And I was like, away?
He's like, no.
libby emmons
Run toward it?
tim pool
Well, the point he was making, it's like a funny thing to tell like a little kid.
The point he's making is there's the immediate vaporization radius and then there's the, your skin sloughs off.
amber athey
Exactly.
tim pool
You don't want to be in that one.
amber athey
You either need to be close enough to die immediately or far enough away where you could like ostensibly survive.
tim pool
With just like sunburns.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, but it depends on the type of hit.
It depends on whether it's an airburst, how far up it is, and a lot of things.
But if you are far enough away where it doesn't burn you to a crisp, you do need to make sure that you're not breathing in particles.
They get into your lungs and they don't come out and they're radioactive and then you get cancer and your lungs just stop working and get all kinds of tumors.
That's horrible.
tim pool
Did you guys see that?
That woman on Tucker Carlson's show where she said that the U.S. government built underground cities that are networked with each other.
libby emmons
Yeah, I did see that.
tim pool
And she was like, whether it's some kind of extinction event.
libby emmons
That FEMA camp thing that everyone was...
tim pool
I don't know if it's the FEMA...
No, no, totally different.
libby emmons
It was like the underground...
It was like all these networks.
tim pool
The FEMA camp thing is they started reappropriating old manufacturing hubs and putting barbed wire around them.
And people were like, what are they going to do with those?
This lady's talking about underground cities that are networked by trains that exist.
It costs like $21 trillion, which I totally believe.
libby emmons
So here's what I don't understand.
Whenever you hear these kinds of ideas, right, why aren't more people talking about it?
Like, it's hard to keep a secret.
It's legit not easy to keep your mouth shut.
And if you're building underground cities that cost $21 trillion, you have to put out contracts for that.
There have to be the people who are cleaning the bathroom.
How many people are really being quieted about these things?
How is it possible to keep a secret, a $21 trillion secret?
amber athey
Do we really think the working class, anti-elite?
Laborers on that project are going to keep their mouths shut.
libby emmons
That's what I'm thinking.
tim pool
Unless...
libby emmons
Like, somebody's got to paint the thing.
tim pool
Unless you can't leave.
amber athey
They'll just kill you.
tim pool
No, no, you just live there.
libby emmons
So are these illegal immigrants?
Are we, like, shipping them in?
phil labonte
Yeah, they never could speak English.
amber athey
That's the thing.
phil labonte
Never could speak English.
Send them out when they're— That's right.
tim pool
A man who worked on it only speaks Spanish, and he's running up to a random American, and they can't understand his garbled gibberish.
They just don't know what he's saying.
libby emmons
And Trump's just going to deport them all.
If you escape, you're deported.
tim pool
That's why he's deporting all these people.
They helped build the underground cities.
phil labonte
That's right.
tim pool
I do think the U.S. probably has underground—they're called DUMBs, Deep Underground Military Bases.
Underground City is probably an exaggeration.
But why wouldn't they?
Like, if the U.S. is going to be like, we've got the world's biggest...
libby emmons
Like, where's the contract?
Like, there must be contracts.
tim pool
Sure.
There's tons of top-secret contracts, classified information they don't tell you about.
libby emmons
I feel like some of this stuff would leak out.
Better than just some lady.
tim pool
It did.
She's a former Bush administration official who said, but she actually cited a few other people who did research in American finances and found similarly that this money was missing.
And the amount of money missing has actually been since the money was unaccounted for.
And I think there was like a Pentagon budget that was unaccounted for.
People have been asking about this.
And this is the narrative of giving.
I don't know if it's true.
libby emmons
Maybe Doge needs to get involved.
Track it down.
tim pool
We know about Raven Rock and Mount Weather.
Those are real places.
Do you know about those?
Those are the congressional and presidential bunkers.
libby emmons
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
They're very close to us.
libby emmons
I didn't know they had names.
Yep.
tim pool
Mount Weather.
And they recently went – they underwent an expansion and a – what did they do?
They upgraded it and stuff.
So do you think that they're going to just announce to the whole world this is where Congress goes if you attack us?
libby emmons
No.
I just – I mean, if people are that capable of keeping secrets, that's impressive.
tim pool
Manhattan Project.
libby emmons
Yeah, but we know about that now.
tim pool
We didn't when they did it.
It wasn't until...
We bombed Japan.
They were like, the government said, okay, we're going to release the information.
350,000 people working on nuclear bombs and nobody knew what they were building.
phil labonte
Yeah, but we didn't have the communications thing and people trusted the government.
Like nowadays, everybody's like, yeah, okay, Uncle Jed, okay, whatever.
People just don't believe the conspiracy theories because we're inundated with conspiracy theories now.
tim pool
I wonder, but I have to imagine an excavation team.
Is not going to be relatively large.
Let's just say it's 300 people.
libby emmons
And maybe they're not told what they're doing.
That's a very good point.
tim pool
Right.
A lot of them work on the surface and then leave and say, I don't know, I did a government contract.
And they don't think twice.
And then a small handful do the deeper excavation.
And it's big machinery.
Not very many crews.
And they don't...
They don't think twice.
And then all of the manufacturing for parts and everything just shipped in like normal.
phil labonte
Everybody knows about NORAD, and that's essentially an underground military.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that's gone now, though.
phil labonte
Maybe, but then...
tim pool
They, like, recommissioned.
Like, they moved.
phil labonte
Yeah, but the installation's still there, and it was active in the 80s and 90s, if I understand.
tim pool
I think the issue is largely that they don't want you to know where they're going to be.
Hey, let's take a look at this map.
Just if you guys were wondering.
Oh, yeah.
If the largest nuclear warhead that...
India has detonated in the Financial District of New York.
That's the radius.
libby emmons
Oh, my old neighborhood would still be fine.
tim pool
I wonder if they have the...
phil labonte
Fine is a relative term.
libby emmons
It's a relative term, yeah.
unidentified
In this context.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think they have the...
What is it?
The Pokhran 2 and the Shakti 2?
45 kilotons?
Although India claims the test validated designs for weapons with yields up to 200 kilotons.
Okay.
Let's just go 200 kilotons.
Detonate.
Okay.
phil labonte
Wow, that's kilotons.
Crazy.
tim pool
There we go.
Hoboken's.
libby emmons
That kills my whole neighborhood, yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
And then, like, this gray area is the shockwave.
The light blast damage.
Radiation radius.
Okay, so the good news is, everybody in the fireball radius, you cease to exist in an instant.
amber athey
Perfect.
libby emmons
They don't have to worry about it.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Good deal.
tim pool
And then the thermal radiation is when you get third-degree burns and some people live.
amber athey
Yeah, see, that's...
libby emmons
You don't want to be.
amber athey
You definitely don't want to be in that zone.
libby emmons
You don't want to live.
amber athey
I mean, the other problem, too, is the shockwave is you could get crushed by falling debris and things like that.
phil labonte
Buildings get knocked over.
tim pool
The moderate blast damage radius at 5 PSI overpressure.
The residential buildings collapse.
Injuries are universal.
Fatalities are widespread.
The chances of a fire starting and commercial residential damage are high.
Buildings so damaged are at high risk of spreading fire.
Often used as a benchmark for moderate damage in cities.
But you know what's funny?
That's actually like nothing.
If we were to use...
We don't want to do that.
We don't want to do this.
amber athey
It'd also probably be more like a patent, I would guess.
phil labonte
Yeah, kilotons.
tim pool
Castle Bravo, the largest U.S. bomb ever tested.
Kaboom.
Holy crap!
libby emmons
That's quite a radius.
phil labonte
And that's just the largest that the U.S. did.
The Sarabamba, which was 50 megatons.
Megatons.
libby emmons
Whose was that?
phil labonte
Russia.
unidentified
Boom!
phil labonte
Largest one ever.
And they designed one twice as powerful.
They designed...
The Sarabamba was...
libby emmons
Do they have it?
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
I don't know if they do it or not.
tim pool
It's a gravity bomb, though, meaning they drop it from a plane.
libby emmons
Okay.
amber athey
Can we just put that in California?
libby emmons
Yeah, let's do that.
tim pool
Let's see.
L.A.?
amber athey
Sure.
tim pool
So I guess if you're just outside of Thousand Oaks, you'll be okay.
Oxnerd, you're going to survive.
You're good.
phil labonte
Good grief.
tim pool
Can we move the...
If they target L.A.?
Let's target Hollywood.
phil labonte
I mean, it's all doomed.
unidentified
Chicago.
tim pool
Man, that's crazy.
phil labonte
They'd move that inland a little bit because that's a lot of wasted area.
There you go.
libby emmons
That's a lot of water, yeah.
tim pool
That's nuts.
And this is air burst.
phil labonte
And also, like...
tim pool
Nukes blow up in the air to spread more of the blast downward, crushing everything.
phil labonte
And Russia, like, they have multiple...
libby emmons
We didn't do D.C., would we?
phil labonte
They have multiple warheads.
Like, aimed at every city.
Like, all the targets actually have multiple warheads in case there's something that goes wrong with one of them.
tim pool
Hey, look at that!
amber athey
Big city.
Okay, so, yeah, if that's the one I'm smoked, do the one that India has.
tim pool
Okay, that's doing nothing.
amber athey
Well, I'm curious.
Oh.
unidentified
Yep.
amber athey
Fweak.
And then what was, like, the middle ground one?
tim pool
So, let me...
amber athey
The largest U.S. one.
tim pool
The largest U.S. Is that the one that we...
That's Castle Bravo.
amber athey
Okay.
phil labonte
It's not small.
tim pool
Yeah, no.
libby emmons
Oh, dang.
tim pool
Look at the radioactive fallout.
libby emmons
Wow.
tim pool
That blast is all radioactive fallout.
Wipes out New York after the fact.
libby emmons
And Hartford.
At least that's a bonus.
tim pool
Man, I don't think people realize the hell that nuclear war would be if it actually happened.
Because people think, in terms of nuclear war...
libby emmons
People think of, like, surviving...
tim pool
No, they think of Japan.
And they're like, look at all the damage we did with, what was it, like 150 kilotons or something?
phil labonte
I think it was 15 kilotons.
libby emmons
You're right.
tim pool
We can actually find out right now.
Let's do, let's see, where is the little boy and fat man?
unidentified
It's 20. Yep, 15 and 20. 20. There you go.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
amber athey
That's like the perfect size.
tim pool
It would flatten DC.
amber athey
It's a joke.
tim pool
Arlington largely survives.
A lot of radiation though.
So people see this and they think that's what nukes are.
And here's the crazy thing.
Tsar Bomba, the largest bomb ever designed 100 megatons, that was what, like 50 years ago?
unidentified
Yeah.
amber athey
Wow.
tim pool
So the thing about that though is it's one, it's a gravity bomb from a bomber.
That thing's not getting anywhere near DC.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
I mean...
Here's what will happen.
They'll be flying over the water.
They'll get close.
And, you know, I guess Atlantic City won't survive.
libby emmons
No, probably not.
tim pool
Yeah, but it ain't getting anywhere near D.C. I don't know if this is true, but I heard that D.C. has, like, hidden surface-to-air missile sites.
amber athey
Well, you'd think this is true.
libby emmons
Should, right?
tim pool
It's true that—are they a secret, or, like, we just know that they are?
amber athey
They're not really a secret.
You can't take pictures of them.
tim pool
Oh, what?
Wait, like, you can, like, walk around, you'll see, like, a surface-to-air missile thing?
phil labonte
Edwards has F-22s, don't they?
tim pool
I've never seen these.
amber athey
It's a secret.
I can't tell you.
phil labonte
Edwards has F-22s, don't they?
amber athey
I don't know about Edwards.
Fort Myer, I believe, has them.
phil labonte
Okay, because I was going to say whatever.
amber athey
I'll just say, I got married.
So my wedding reception was at Fort Myer and we had to get all of our photos approved that we took outside of the Officers Club.
libby emmons
That's cool.
phil labonte
Very cool.
amber athey
I don't know if they were specifically like...
tim pool
Can I just go on Google Maps and zoom in and look at all of the stuff they got?
unidentified
I don't know.
phil labonte
I mean...
libby emmons
I bet they have it.
amber athey
They didn't tell us exactly what they were, but I mean...
phil labonte
Did they look up whose station were?
libby emmons
Did they say, like, no, not that one?
amber athey
It says that Fort Myers does have SAM systems in place.
libby emmons
Did they reject some of your photos?
amber athey
No, because our photographer didn't take any pictures of them.
But they have to check afterwards to make sure for, like, people who would sneak on and do it.
tim pool
How far away is Fort Myers from D.C.?
amber athey
Not far.
It's just in Arlington.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Right across the river.
I've heard that surrounding D.C., inconspicuous, like there's surface air missile sites that are in the ground that come up.
unidentified
Patriot.
phil labonte
They're Patriot batteries.
tim pool
Patriot batteries?
phil labonte
Patriot missiles.
tim pool
But aren't those on trucks?
phil labonte
Well, they don't have to be.
I mean, when they put them on trucks, it's so that way they can move them around, obviously.
And if they have batteries that are located in D.C. and they don't want them to go anywhere, they don't have to.
tim pool
How could we not have?
Do we have Thad?
libby emmons
What's that?
tim pool
FAD, let me get the actual acronym for you.
There's Iron Dome and FAD.
Terminal High Altitude Area Defense.
U.S. Missile Defense System Designed to Shoot Down Short to Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles.
They got them in South Korea.
Let me just ask the robot.
Does D.C. have SAM sites?
It's going to be like, of course, are you stupid?
phil labonte
Actually, you know, they don't have...
tim pool
Multiple surface-to-air missile systems, part of the National Capital Region Integrated Air Defense System.
Multi-layered defense network designed to safeguard the nation's capital from aerial assaults.
There's quite a bit, actually.
unidentified
Wow.
phil labonte
Interesting.
libby emmons
There should be.
I mean, that's the stuff we're paying our taxes for, right?
tim pool
Yeah, to protect Congress.
libby emmons
No, but like, if Congress got totally murdered, it may seem like it would be pointless, but it would be pretty bad.
tim pool
I just want to say one thing on the underground cities thing.
When you guys, you know, you're saying like, oh, how would we keep it a secret?
I'll just say it like this.
Maybe, I don't know, but couldn't you imagine that Congress, when offered...
Like, come on.
Any one of these members of Congress is going to draft a bill where they're like, in the event of war, we ought to live like ultra-millionaires in an underground bunker with a flat-screen TV in every room, infinity pools that appear over nowhere, I guess, because you're underground, but movie theater, 200 years of food, our families get to be there.
I wouldn't be surprised if Congress routinely votes for top-secret things for themselves that we don't even know about.
libby emmons
And then that's why they're, okay, putting ahead the laws about how they can't give themselves pay raises.
They're like, who needs that?
We've already got this.
tim pool
Depending on what happens.
I mean, they voted to renovate Mount Weather.
But this is all important news for you, my friends, because of this story right here.
From the Daily Mail, MSNBC host floats war with Canada in shocking on-air comments.
This is, okay, all right, here you go.
katy tur
Stephen, let me ask you about the article you wrote for The Atlantic.
And I sent this around to my friends.
Just the very fact that it was published, I think, is surprising.
That we can have a conversation that is serious about what a war with Canada would look like.
Explain why it's no longer unthinkable.
unidentified
Well, because Donald Trump makes us think it, right?
I mean, he talks about annexing us on a regular basis.
I mean, somewhere around 2% of the American population actually want to do this, but, you know...
At this point in its history, you know, the American people can obviously be convinced of anything, right?
And already you see numbers of Republicans who consider Canada an enemy to be growing are.
And, you know, I think when countries are in constitutional crisis and when their legal system starts to fall apart, as America's legal system is falling apart, violence against neighboring countries is very common.
To me, it's very intimately tied with this talk about being a third-term president.
That's out of the playbook of authoritarian governments around the world.
And so Canada really does need to think about protecting ourselves from the United States and making sure that we're not just a snack.
tim pool
I agree.
He's completely right.
Secure your borders.
Shut it down.
Stop letting anybody across because you don't know what's coming.
And we're good.
phil labonte
To me, it's frustrating to hear that stuff because it's so clownish.
Canada does not have the capacity to defend against the United States at all.
libby emmons
No.
phil labonte
It's not even in the realm of possibility that they could...
If the United States decided that they wanted to go take Canada, you could take all of the important parts of Canada in an afternoon.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the thing, too, that this guy is forgetting is that Trump and Carney met today in the Oval Office.
Carney asked Trump to stop referring to Canada as the 51st state, and it appears that Trump has acquiesced to a certain extent.
He was calling Justin Trudeau governor.
He's calling Mark Carney prime minister.
He very clearly, like from his own position, campaigned for Carney against Pierre Polyev, which...
Pissed off a lot of Canadian conservatives, but there you have it.
I think these two guys get along fine, and I think they're going to work out a situation that's probably going to be beneficial for everybody, which is great.
I mean, honestly, I would be happy to see a normalization of relations between Canada and the U.S. I like, I think that we should be friends with Canada.
You know, we should be.
amber athey
Do you think that Indians and Pakistanis feel the same way I feel of watching a Canadian talk crap about our legal system and our president?
phil labonte
They hate each other way more.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think they do hate each other way more.
amber athey
It is so annoying.
libby emmons
But it is gross, yeah.
phil labonte
It's annoying.
amber athey
Stay in your lane.
You don't know what you're talking about.
And you know when he says the legal system in jeopardy, he's talking about Trump's attacks on judges and not the fact that judges are deliberately going beyond judicial authority to curb the power of the executive.
libby emmons
Yeah, like all these nationwide injunctions and all this stuff.
Yeah, it's ludicrous.
amber athey
And the third term that Trump has already said like eight times since the initial troll that he's not doing.
libby emmons
I agree with you, but I would also say that Americans know basically nothing about the Canadian political system.
So we like post-millennial was founded in Canada.
Now we're owned by an American, you know, which is great.
But but when we were covering the Canadian elections, we have like a couple of Canadians on staff who over and over had to explain to the rest of us.
No, it's parliament.
This is how it works.
Oh, Pierre Poliev lost his seat in his riding.
And we're like, oh, so he's out as conservative party leader.
And they're like, no, because actually somebody in Alberta is.
tim pool
You are sadly mistaken.
They have mastered trench warfare.
Take a look at this image of the U.S.-Canadian border.
That trench is so perilous, this 80-year-old man is struggling to get over it.
He got over it.
He did.
But, look.
You think you're going to drive over that?
Think again.
libby emmons
Is that Vermont or New York?
amber athey
That old woman in a lawn chair will tear you up.
phil labonte
The United States and Canada have such close relations and have for so long.
All of this stuff is all just BS garbage.
That's just it's it's so far away from reality that it's it's pointless to You're right.
tim pool
I mean, Canada should just be part of the United States.
amber athey
It's very simple, really.
I don't know.
My grandmother immigrated to the U.S. from Canada.
My grandfather's ancestors were Canadian.
He was born in the U.S., but...
I never hear them talk about Canada.
tim pool
You know what offends me the most?
amber athey
They're so happy to be American.
tim pool
Isn't it like 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border?
phil labonte
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, and most live in that little area near New York and Vermont and Maine.
tim pool
They're just crowding up on our border to take our stuff.
libby emmons
Ontario and Quebec.
tim pool
Did you see when Trump was talking to Carney?
He was like, we don't want your cars.
We don't want your steel.
We don't want your aluminum.
And Carney's just sitting there.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And he's like, we don't want access to your market.
You want access to ours, and we don't care.
libby emmons
Well, and also Trump wants to pull back all of the film and TV production that's been going on in Canada, specifically like Vancouver.
I saw that too, and people were kind of pissed about it.
And I'm like, no, get them all the hell back here.
What the hell?
amber athey
I love the idea on its face, but does it mean that we're just going to get more woke Hollywood movies?
libby emmons
We're getting the same movies no matter what.
It's not like...
I mean, it's the same producers.
phil labonte
Canada's way more woke than the U.S. is.
libby emmons
That's true.
tim pool
So is the U.K. The issue is...
libby emmons
New Zealand.
tim pool
They've got to offer up concessions to get access to the cheaper markets.
So selling the movies there or producing them there, bring them back.
It is interesting, though, because when Trump said this, I'm like, what if the movie...
It's made by an American company, but it's literally about Africa.
Are they going to film that here?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Or Florida, maybe?
amber athey
Arizona.
libby emmons
Also, would that be a foreign film if you bring your whole crew, if you bring everybody out?
tim pool
That's the issue.
You're producing it in a foreign country, first location.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
It's one thing if you're going to Vancouver and claiming it's Chicago, which they do all the time.
libby emmons
That's constant.
phil labonte
Yeah.
libby emmons
Like Riverdale.
tim pool
Like, don't do that.
libby emmons
Yeah.
amber athey
There's also a lot of great films made in New Zealand.
tim pool
Lord of the Rings.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that the only one?
amber athey
I don't think so.
phil labonte
Really pretty down there.
tim pool
Only one that matters.
I don't know what New Zealand produces.
Not cats.
You know that?
libby emmons
They produce those hawk-a-dances, you know?
amber athey
The only native animal to New Zealand are birds.
libby emmons
Really?
phil labonte
Really?
amber athey
Yeah.
libby emmons
Where'd they get all the rest of them?
amber athey
Imported, usually gifts from other countries.
Like white-tailed deer, they actually have domesticated them.
They're effectively farm animals to prevent them from overbreeding.
Yeah, it's crazy.
tim pool
I interviewed a guy a while back named Gareth Morgan, I think his name was.
And he got a lot of flack because he had called for...
He didn't say to kill all the cats.
He said just, like, neuter and spay them all so they can't have babies because the cats were brought...
On the British ships, or the colonial ships, and then jumped off and ran around, had a bunch of babies, and they just started massacring all the local animals who'd never seen a cat before.
So he was like, we should just, you know, let him have babies, and then they wrote in the media like he's calling for the killing of all house cats.
libby emmons
He's a terrorist!
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Killing cats!
tim pool
That was a funny story.
libby emmons
Send him all to Springfield.
tim pool
Media's always lying.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep, well, that's what you get.
So, War with Canada is...
Is coming.
phil labonte
Like I said, it's not coming.
Canada should be very grateful that it's not coming.
They don't have any war-making capacity.
If you look at the actual outlines of what Canada has...
tim pool
I just need to explain this to the people of the world.
The United States has a strategic oil reserve, a strategic petroleum reserve.
libby emmons
We're filling it up again.
tim pool
We are filling it up again.
We want to make sure that we can run our tanks, operate our facilities, our factories.
Canada has a strategic maple syrup reserve.
That is the cutest thing I've ever heard a country do.
libby emmons
I do love that.
We do have also, we have our strategic cheese reserves.
tim pool
Well, that makes sense.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
A man is going to have a can of gas and a block of cheese.
libby emmons
And a little maple syrup.
Who doesn't need that?
tim pool
No, that is like a little old granny.
When I first heard that there was a robbery, did you hear about the great maple syrup heist?
No.
Some dudes stole millions of dollars.
libby emmons
That should be a film, and we should produce it here in the United States.
tim pool
That's got to be like a James Franco, Seth Rogen film.
unidentified
That would be so great.
tim pool
I guess they hate each other now, though.
libby emmons
Oh, that's too bad.
tim pool
Who's doing comedy these days?
amber athey
Nobody.
libby emmons
Nobody's doing comedy.
amber athey
A sequel, or maybe it's the third movie.
I don't know if they did a sequel to Red Dawn, but we'll do a Red Dawn.
But it's the U.S. versus Canada.
And it's filmed in the U.S. thanks to Trump's tariffs.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
You guys think I'm joking.
unidentified
Look at this.
tim pool
The Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist.
unidentified
Did you hear Mark Carney try and speak French?
libby emmons
He was terrible at it.
And I don't even know French.
And you could tell he doesn't know what he said.
tim pool
Look at this.
The theft over several months of 300 tons.
Of maple syrup valued at 18.7 million Canadian.
Wow.
From a storage facility in Quebec, the facility was operated by the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers, which represents 70% of the global maple syrup supply.
Okay, I'll be honest.
If they can refine maple syrup into fuel...
This story would be a lot better.
libby emmons
Maple syrup is great.
Come on.
tim pool
It sure is if you're a granny wanting to give a sweet treat to your grandchild.
amber athey
Can confirm.
I got a lot of those from Grandma.
Wonderful.
tim pool
It's wonderful.
amber athey
It's very good.
tim pool
But come on.
And look at their flag.
They got a little leaf on it.
libby emmons
I like the flag.
tim pool
Okay, I'm going to say this.
Canada and Canadians are allowed to get mad at me for it.
Their flag has a little maple leaf on it.
And they have a maple reserve.
They're like little gnomes.
They're like, you know what I mean?
They're not a serious nation.
libby emmons
No, they're not a serious nation.
tim pool
We made a flag.
We put a leaf on it.
And it's like striking fear into the hearts of your enemies.
libby emmons
It took them a long time to come up with that flag, too.
Like, they went through multiple drafts.
unidentified
Is that serious?
amber athey
It's like the simplest flag ever.
tim pool
You know what the red represents in the American flag?
amber athey
Blood.
tim pool
The blood of patriots died for the country.
Then you've got like...
Other countries with like a lion or eagles holding arrows.
Yeah, dragons.
And I'll even respect this.
Some have chickens.
libby emmons
Well, elbows up.
tim pool
Yeah.
Canada was like a maple leaf.
You know, so Canada, if there was ever going to be a war between our peoples, we would march into that country and they would just say, oh, hey.
libby emmons
Or they would pour boiling hot maple syrup on us.
Like, down the side of that trench, just dump it.
You know, it would be like...
amber athey
Car and feather, but with maple syrup.
tim pool
Siege weapons of launching flaming maple syrup.
libby emmons
And hockey sticks.
They'd just chuck them at us, you know?
Like, if you could, like, whip a puck at somebody, that'd hurt.
That'll hurt.
That's why they got helmets.
tim pool
You know, the Canadians actually do have a military, and they have guns, and they know how to use them.
But just imagining, like, Mounties with hockey sticks storming into battle on the back of a moose.
amber athey
I would definitely be most worried about the rural Canadians because those people know how to survive.
libby emmons
Yeah, don't discount the prairies.
tim pool
Yeah, but they would greet us like liberators.
amber athey
Probably true.
libby emmons
Well, Alberta is like, hey, we might be interested.
tim pool
Oh, Canada, you are ripe for parity.
phil labonte
They are.
tim pool
There was other news that was serious.
What was that?
Israel attacks Yemen's airport?
libby emmons
Yeah, they got rid of that airport in Sanaa.
tim pool
Yeah, this is crazy.
And then, so this is BBC reporting Israel attacks Maine airport and Yemen's capital, Sana 'a.
And I think, what do we have here from...
Yeah, Trump says the U.S. will stop bombing the Houthis.
libby emmons
Yeah, that was a big deal.
tim pool
But the Houthis are claiming they're not giving up, so we'll see how long this goes.
amber athey
Yeah, well, I mean, Trump said today in the Oval Office during that pool spray that the Houthis had capitulated and that they told him that they, or he heard from a very good source, and he sort of conferred with Rubio and Vance, and they're like, oh yeah, really great source, that they're not going to attack shipping lanes anymore.
So we'll see whether that's true or not.
tim pool
I mean, maybe after the bombing of...
The capital and shutting the airport down.
amber athey
I mean, I guess that would have been around the same time.
I think the pool spray was around like three or...
It was around noon.
tim pool
This is Israelis.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
So, and then I saw someone post on Google that it says the airport is now permanently closed after being bombed.
So, World War III?
Or are we just, you know, we just...
phil labonte
Well, I mean, it's definitely not going to be the Houthis that are starting it.
tim pool
No, but Israel is involved in a lot of conflict right now.
phil labonte
Yeah, but I don't...
Look, there's always conflict in the Middle East, and there was the U.S. strike that killed Soleimani.
I think Israel struck Iran because Iran was shooting some missiles.
There's flare-ups, but just because there are flare-ups, that doesn't really mean that it's going to turn into World War III.
I'm more concerned with what happens with Russia and Ukraine and Europe leading to some kind of serious war in the Middle East.
War in the Middle East is kind of like the normal state.
amber athey
I think maybe we are kind of in a slumber of a two-decade-long regime-change democracy-building war that we're not really conditioned for skirmishes like this anymore.
This is the first time in a while that we've seen these countries kind of going at it with each other in a really schizophrenic kind of way because we've been so focused on Afghanistan.
And so maybe we're kind of shocked out of our slumber.
tim pool
I kind of agree.
Am I wrong?
I mean, it doesn't feel like there have been this many active conflicts at once in a long time.
libby emmons
Well, there have been, but a bunch of them have been in places we don't pay any attention to, also.
Like, there's been ongoing stuff.
tim pool
Like Burma?
We're not worried about...
amber athey
I mean, there was a Syrian civil war.
libby emmons
Yeah, there was that.
tim pool
The entire Arab Spring.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, to be fair, I remember, was it 10 years ago?
When was Protective Edge?
That was 10 years ago, right?
Let me do a quick fact check on Protective Edge.
Our Israel-obsessed people will know exactly what that was.
Nope, I did not want to search for that, and I have no idea.
The Gaza War, Operation Protective Edge was 2014, August.
When that was happening, a bunch of journalists were speculating that this could be the start of, I should pull this over, of World War III, because this is the 2014 Gaza War.
There was talks about a Palestinian surge into Israeli territory.
Israel was bombing the Gaza Strip.
And then a lot of journalists in New York had been discussing, like conflict reporters, saying there were concerns that Iran would step up their proxy war, start funneling as many weapons as possible to embolden Hamas in Gaza, and then scale this up to basically what we're seeing now.
But nothing happened.
So it was a lot of talk about, oh man, we're dangerously close to World War III if Iran gets involved, and they didn't.
They did not.
Then again, today, Iran launched missiles into Israel and hit them.
And Israel launched missiles back, and then they said, you didn't do anything, and lied.
Now Israel's blowing up pagers in Lebanon.
Israel just said they're going to, what did they say, flatten Gaza?
libby emmons
Yeah, they're going to take over Gaza.
That was what they said.
tim pool
Yeah, I kind of feel like we're closer to World War III than ever before.
Come on.
Like, when this stuff was happening, we didn't have all of this conflict all at once, especially war in Eastern Europe.
libby emmons
Here's the big question.
Let's say we go with your premise that we are very close to World War III.
So World War I, World War II, it took like an inciting incident to get the U.S. involved.
What would the incident be that would have to get the U.S. involved?
We'd have to be attacked.
tim pool
Oh, bro, easy, false flag.
libby emmons
Like, who would attack us?
So you think the government would do a false flag of attacking the U.S.?
tim pool
No, the government could do a false flag.
Or what the U.S. government prefers to do is threaten indirectly to provoke an attack, and then they can say, oh no, why did they attack us?
Gulf of Tonkin, however, was a false flag.
libby emmons
What about Pearl Harbor?
tim pool
We got attacked on Pearl Harbor.
libby emmons
Who do you think, like, let's say it wasn't a false flag.
Do you think that...
tim pool
Pearl Harbor was not a false flag.
libby emmons
No, no, no.
Let's say now, right?
What would get the U.S. into World War III?
tim pool
Like what scale of attack?
libby emmons
Yeah, like who would do it?
Who would attack us and how?
Would it be an Indian ICBM on New York?
tim pool
We can speculate a million different ways.
libby emmons
I'm just curious what you think it would be.
I'm just curious.
tim pool
What it would be?
Honestly, I don't know.
It could be...
Hundreds, thousands of different scenarios.
One potential scenario is a cyber attack launched by the Iranians on an industrial control system which takes out the power of a major metro or something.
I don't know that that would actually reach a significant level.
But you take a look at 9-11.
We invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
And why?
libby emmons
Yeah, it was weird.
tim pool
Yeah.
Oh, they're hiding bin Laden from us in Iraq.
He's got weapons of mass destruction.
phil labonte
I think Iraq was a vanity project for George Bush.
libby emmons
Yeah, you remember?
Because he was like, you saw what he did to my dad, what he said about my dad, whatever it was.
tim pool
Yeah, but do you know what country?
libby emmons
He tried to kill my dad.
That's what he said.
tim pool
Do you know what country borders Iraq to the east?
phil labonte
To the east?
unidentified
To the east?
libby emmons
I have no idea.
phil labonte
The east is Iran.
tim pool
It is.
And do you know what country borders Afghanistan to the west?
libby emmons
It's Iran, right?
tim pool
Indeed!
So we invaded those two countries, put military bases all along the eastern and western fronts.
I wonder why.
libby emmons
That's interesting.
tim pool
So Russia...
libby emmons
Yeah, Iran is bigger than you think.
tim pool
Here's the thing.
There's this viral clip that the Jews people like to share that's out of context, where I was making the point about a false flag, and I said it doesn't matter who fires the missiles because the false flag already happened, and the propaganda narrative will be used against whichever side.
By both sides.
Like, if an attack on the U.S. happened, that was reasonably discernible to the average person to have been a false flag, or not even a false flag.
Let's say a rogue band of miscreants blew up a bomb.
They're unaffiliated.
Let's say it's Antifa.
The U.S. government could just come out and say, we found a passport on the streets proving it was an Iranian.
Iran attacked us.
The media will run the narrative 100 times an hour.
And then the American people will be told we have to go to war with Iran, and a lot of people will believe it.
amber athey
Do you think that the politics in the U.S. are such now, though, that people are going to be a lot more skeptical?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
amber athey
Because the neoconservatives have been effectively destroyed?
tim pool
Here's why I don't know that we can get involved in a war.
So long as, well, imagine this.
Imagine Iran literally does set a bomb off in, I don't know, Philadelphia.
And, like, shortly before, there's a bunch of videos going viral of a guy screaming in the middle of Philly about the glory of Iran, and then all of a sudden a dirty bomb goes off, and it just, like, irradiates a big portion of the city and kills 10,000.
Donald Trump would come out and call for retaliation.
The Democrats would immediately come out and say, no, we reject this and we oppose it and we will not let this happen.
libby emmons
Right.
We need to do a proportionate response.
tim pool
No, they just say no.
They'd say Trump is evil no matter what he does.
So whatever it is he's doing, we're against.
amber athey
I don't know if I agree with that because the only time that the media and the Democrats cheered on Trump during the first term was when he struck Soleimani.
tim pool
Fair point.
Fair point.
I concede.
That is a good point.
amber athey
Thank you.
tim pool
I do think the Democrats are just going to oppose whatever it is Trump is doing.
So to be fair, if a dirty bomb went off, yeah, they'd probably say, oh, war?
Oh, we like war.
amber athey
War's good.
That's the only thing they agree with Republicans on.
tim pool
That's why they're mad at Trump right now because he doesn't want to get involved in the war with Iran.
amber athey
And that's why the establishment Republicans don't like Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
amber athey
It's all over foreign policy for the most part.
tim pool
So then I suppose the issue would be if some kind of attack happened on the U.S., Trump would resist.
And they would say, he's letting us be attacked, he's weak.
amber athey
There would be a huge debate between Vance and Rubio, and they would fight for Trump's ear.
tim pool
Yeah.
But I think Vance would say no.
phil labonte
Yeah, Vance wouldn't want the war.
tim pool
But have you heard that Trump is touting Rubio as the potential successor?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
phil labonte
He's mentioned him yet.
libby emmons
Really?
amber athey
He mentioned both of them.
Yeah.
He said Vance and Rubio.
phil labonte
Yeah, and I heard the interviews that you're referring to, he talked about both of them.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
So, you know.
libby emmons
Well, you could do...
A Vance Rubio ticket and then Rubio whoever else ticket after that.
tim pool
Who would be president after Trump?
libby emmons
There's a lot of people.
You don't like Vance?
I like Vance.
tim pool
Yeah, Vance is good.
But does, you know, I would give Vance a B-.
Trump's got an A+.
libby emmons
Sure.
tim pool
Trump's a once-in-a-lifetime crazy guy.
He's literally a, like, orange man.
You know what I mean?
It's like...
He's a unique, strong, tall, weird person.
And I mean wearing the good weight.
He is atypical.
He is abnormal.
J.D. Vance is as normal as they come.
libby emmons
Yeah, but I think he could be good.
And also, you have to remember, vice presidents never get to do anything good.
We're seeing him a lot more than we saw Kamala Harris.
tim pool
He's been doing an amazing job.
libby emmons
I'm glad that we've seen him out there a lot more than previous vice presidents.
We never saw Pence.
I mean, he sucked, but still.
tim pool
The Democrats have nobody with any X factor.
Like, AOC maybe has, like, on a scale of 1 to 100, a 2. It's like, she's got celebrity there, but not enough to be president.
libby emmons
No, she has political talent, but I don't see it being presidential.
I mean, look at the people that they're pushing forward.
Jasmine Crockett, she's awful.
phil labonte
Hilarious, and I want them to push her right to the front.
amber athey
To the front, like when she boarded that plane in front of the disabled people?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Oh, is that what she did?
phil labonte
The more attention she gets, the happier I am.
libby emmons
Yeah, she was like, I'm super important, you gotta let me on.
amber athey
Yeah, that's great.
unidentified
Nuts.
libby emmons
Wow!
Gretchen Whitmer is terrible.
amber athey
She's been making moves, though.
tim pool
She is, but she still sucks.
I gotta pull this story up from Semaphore.
This story is absolutely incredible.
It made my day.
Check this out.
Dave Weigel, you know him, you'll love him, writes for Semaphore, Trump's falling in the polls.
Why aren't Democrats benefiting?
I don't even need to read it.
Because they're insane people with no plan, no leadership, and their ideology is backwards.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
Anything else?
libby emmons
Also, everything they used to stand for, now that Trump stands for it, they hate it.
And you're like, guys, you have no beliefs.
You don't believe in anything at all.
They're just on this shifting sands of what's fashionable at the time.
tim pool
I was speaking with Ryan Gerdeski earlier, and the general premise is they have to oppose whatever it is Trump does.
And so they're a party of nothing.
They have no mission statement other than Trump is bad.
But that only works on boomers.
libby emmons
Not even all of them.
But it has been working on boomers really well.
I mean, if you look at the polling, boomers are the only demographic in the U.S. where Trump is in negative numbers.
And boomers are actually who delivered Canada for Kearney as well.
The rest of the Canadians were like, we just want to be able to afford a house.
And everybody else was like, but Trump!
And they freaked out about that.
phil labonte
It is kind of crazy that the boomers are so detached from...
libby emmons
Any semblance of reality?
phil labonte
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, I was talking to Jack Sobik about this earlier because we were talking about how boomers, they don't want to share with lower generations.
They're the only demographic that ever just doesn't care if their kids are better off than them.
You know, they just like hide out in their second homes and go off and find themselves and travel around and do all of this stuff.
And it's like, you guys are so out of touch.
Or have you seen this boomer grandparent thing?
Have you seen this?
So this is something like you've seen.
You'll see like in Instagram or whatever.
Millennials and Gen Xers will say, when I was a kid, I used to hang out with my grandparents all the time.
I'd spend time with them in the summers.
They'd come over and babysit me.
I'd spend time with them on weekends.
My parents would just drop me off.
I had a great relationship with my grandparents.
Where are my parents?
They don't care about my kids.
They are never here.
They complain anytime I ask them to just look after the kids while I go to the doctor.
I love my parents, but like...
Where are you, fam?
I've never seen you guys.
tim pool
Did you see that?
I think I might have it here, actually.
There was that poll that went viral where they asked Gen Z in Canada, what is concerning you about, you know, what is your biggest issue with this election?
They said the cost of living is my biggest issue or housing.
And boomers all said Trump.
libby emmons
That's exactly right.
tim pool
In Canada.
libby emmons
Exactly.
Because the boomers are out of touch and crazed and obsessed with themselves, just like they have been since the 1960s.
They're the same as they always have been.
amber athey
I remember reading a New York Times article a few years ago, and occasionally their style section hits.
They have this article about the boomers who had been buying up single-family homes or homes that basically your second home or your third home as you start accumulating wealth.
And they were turning them into these hyper-customized nightmares.
So then when they went to sell their second or third home to get their final home to downsize because they couldn't take care of it, they couldn't sell them because no millennial could afford it.
And it was insane and everything was hyper-customized.
libby emmons
My mom took the wall off the master bedroom of her beach house.
amber athey
Shouldn't she get what she wants, Libby?
libby emmons
It's just a curtain, right?
So that when she's there by herself, she's like, when I'm here by myself, it's like a loft.
And when anybody else is there, there's no master bedroom.
tim pool
I want to make sure we point out that half of boomers are good people.
Some, I assume, are good people.
Look at this poll.
Look at this.
This is abacusdata.ca.
libby emmons
Yeah, we covered this at the Post Millennial.
tim pool
Gen Z, top issue, 45% reducing your cost of living.
Millennials, 50%.
Gen X, 49%.
Boomers, 38%.
It's not bad.
Dealing with Donald Trump.
Gen Z, 27%.
Millennials, 28%.
Gen X is 39%.
Boomers is 50%.
It is their number one issue.
libby emmons
That's right.
It's so stupid.
tim pool
He's not even in Canada!
libby emmons
He's the president of a different country.
phil labonte
Yeah.
That's the thing.
tim pool
Oh, poor Gen Z, man.
amber athey
That's like the liberal wine moms who are like, my biggest creator is Putin.
tim pool
Can someone make the Wojak meme where it's the depressed-looking guy, but Gen Z, and he says, I just want to buy a house and have a family, and then it's a boomer drinking tea being like, but Orange Man bad.
libby emmons
Only if you can make sure that that boomer looks like they have four houses, because they do.
tim pool
Yeah, like 77% of boomers own homes.
About 72% of Gen Xers on homes, half of millennials, and almost none of Gen Z. I think Gen Z's on the single digits.
libby emmons
I bought my house a couple of years ago, and I had to leave everywhere that I'm from in order to afford it.
tim pool
Yo, look at this!
libby emmons
And I'm happy about it, but still, that's what I had to do.
tim pool
27% of Gen Z said make housing more affordable, 9% of boomers.
libby emmons
Yeah, they don't care.
tim pool
They already have three houses!
amber athey
They've got that equity.
libby emmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
I saw, like, some boomers are trying to sell their second vacation homes on the coast of Maine, and they can't find anyone to sell it to.
unidentified
Dude.
libby emmons
The rest of us are broke.
tim pool
Canadian boomers may have polled the worst, most amoral people I've ever seen.
Look at this.
Making Canada a better place to live.
Gen Z, 18%.
Millennials, 20%.
Gen X, 11%.
And boomers, 8%.
libby emmons
That's only because Gen Xers are apathetic and they don't think anything can actually be better.
tim pool
You go to a boomer and you're like, would you like to make things more affordable?
No.
Houses?
No.
Make Canada better?
No.
Then what do you want?
Trump sucks.
libby emmons
They don't even have any plan for it.
Just Trump sucks.
phil labonte
We want to defend against Trump.
What is Trump going to do to you, you nutbag?
tim pool
That's amazing.
Carney, just like he's campaigning and he's like, as the Prime Minister of Canada, I will impeach Trump.
And he wins.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's what happened.
That's how that went down.
phil labonte
It's so insane.
tim pool
Wow.
That's incredible.
This is funny, though.
Gen Z, achieving reconciliation with Indigenous people, 4%.
libby emmons
Well, because come on now.
We're all done with this.
We have no problems.
unidentified
We're all done with this.
amber athey
What does that even mean?
Reconciliation.
libby emmons
Reconciliation is a uniquely Canadian concept where the idea is that the white man was so terrible to the Indigenous people.
It's like reparations-ish.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, I used to play Sid Meier's colonization in 1994, and the French get a trade bonus with Native Americans because, as history teaches us, the now Canadians were good to the indigenous.
So there's nothing to reconcile.
libby emmons
Well, you can tell that they were good because they're not exterminated.
I mean, there are indigenous people in Canada, so already they did a better job.
amber athey
And there was the fake unmarked grave scandal with the Catholic Church in Canada.
libby emmons
Totally fake.
There was nothing there.
That was actually evil.
It was evil.
tim pool
Well, Canada is a weak people.
Canadians are very weak.
Look at their governments.
Come on, they just voted in the Liberals.
I'm sorry.
phil labonte
You're going to get more hate mail.
tim pool
That's fine.
libby emmons
It's a pretty weak government, and it has been for a while.
This is the fourth Liberal Party government.
tim pool
Have you ever seen the grip strength between men and women graph?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
I'm going to pull this one up, and I'm going to make a point.
Let me grab this image.
libby emmons
You're going to say Canadians are just a bunch of weak women.
tim pool
My point is this.
My point is this.
Is there a way to make this?
Oh, that's massive.
That's big.
There you go.
There you go.
Okay.
See the green?
This is female grip strength.
And the blue is male grip strength.
You can see that very rarely there are some females who have a higher grip strength than males.
But typically, even the strongest females have a grip strength that is lower than the average male.
Okay, now replace males and females with the green is Canada and the blue is America.
libby emmons
You should draw that in.
tim pool
We voted for Trump twice and they can't even get past Trudeau.
libby emmons
No, no.
tim pool
So listen, listen, here's my point.
libby emmons
And what's sort of funny is that Trump basically pushed for Carney.
Oh, he's laughing about it.
Yeah, and Carney was like, Trump is terrible.
And Trump was like, elect Carney.
And Carney wins.
tim pool
Real quick, I just want to say this.
I understand that when you look at this graph, you can see there are some women that are stronger than the average man because there are many Canadians that are stronger than the average American.
But that is the far end of the bell curve.
That is a minority of people.
They are living in the wilderness.
They are stronger than average, stronger than me, better at survival than I could ever be, armed to the teeth, manly men, riding moose.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
But I'm talking about the majority of the people who live...
On the U.S. border, effectively.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Making their money off of the American economy and voting for a liberal government that is destroying their way of life.
amber athey
Statistics don't make sense.
tim pool
Yeah, well.
amber athey
That's like the people who are like, well, I know this one girl who beat this guy in a foot race.
So, like, obviously.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, what is it?
We were talking about it earlier.
90% of Canadians live within.
amber athey
98, I think.
phil labonte
98 within 100 miles of the U.S. border.
The idea that Canada can survive without the U.S. is comical.
tim pool
Let's get the actual hard percent.
90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the U.S. border.
It's a milder climate, and they have access to U.S. trade.
amber athey
Yeah, and what percent of their economy is from U.S. trade?
It's a pretty significant amount.
tim pool
And then the next 5% are within another 100 miles.
95% are with 200.
90% within 100.
Alright, here's my challenge.
Canadians, you think you're so tough?
You're going to sit here and be like, how dare you, Tim?
Disparage my great nation?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Stop doing trade with America.
Just stop.
Stop doing any trade with us at all.
Because I'll tell you this.
The United States, yeah, there are some businesses that will go under.
Everybody saw those videos where the Canadians were taking the whiskey off the shelves being like, we're not going to sell American whiskey anymore.
amber athey
It's like you owned yourself.
You have to drink Crown Royal.
tim pool
I assure you, if we shut the border with Canada, the U.S. would be a little teeny bit worse off.
Trade is good, but Canada's in trouble.
They're in big trouble.
What are they going to do, eat moose?
phil labonte
Eat the Canadian cheese.
libby emmons
And they've got an awful lot of syrup.
tim pool
They do.
You know, interesting factoid.
Maple syrup used to be the principal source of sugar for baked goods.
That sounds like the greatest thing ever.
libby emmons
I put a lot of, yeah.
When I bake, I use maple sugar.
tim pool
Not even that, but syrup.
Could you imagine you're making cookies, and it's like, I'm putting maple syrup in these chocolate chip cookies.
libby emmons
That sounds so good.
Now what do we do, beet sugar?
amber athey
You replace it with butter and sugar separately.
libby emmons
But the only problem with using maple syrup...
tim pool
Oh no, you put maple and butter.
amber athey
No, but I'm saying that because the texture would change, right?
libby emmons
Yeah, it makes the batter runny.
amber athey
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's the problem.
You need a little more flour and then you need a little more leavening to work on that.
tim pool
Maple sugar then will go your route.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Either way, that would taste so good.
libby emmons
It's delicious.
tim pool
But it's so expensive.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I put maple syrup in my buttercream.
I make maple syrup, vanilla buttercream.
tim pool
You know where we get white sugar, table sugar from, right?
libby emmons
What?
unidentified
Beets.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
That's awful.
amber athey
It is awesome.
libby emmons
You can also buy, you can get cane sugar.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
amber athey
Yeah, I buy pure cane sugar.
tim pool
More expensive.
libby emmons
I get the organic, you know, because I'm that bitch, really.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
But we're in maple country here.
amber athey
And I don't use vegetables.
tim pool
You drive like a half an hour and there's just maple syrup and going on all over the place.
I went to a place with Allison and it was just some like 80-year-old man.
And they had us watch a video about the history of their maple farm.
libby emmons
That's awesome.
tim pool
It was amazing.
It was like seven generations.
libby emmons
I love that.
tim pool
Yeah.
amber athey
I'm glad there was a video because a lot of those veteran roadside stands in Virginia are total scams.
unidentified
Really?
amber athey
They don't actually make the jam.
They're liars.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Yep, yep, yep.
phil labonte
Son of them.
tim pool
There's a company out here by us.
libby emmons
Did they just buy it from Meghan Markle or something?
tim pool
No, there's a company out here by us that mass produces jams, jellies, snacks, and then they label it for whatever farm or whatever.
So you'll walk in and it'll be like, you know, Huckleberry Farms.
And you're like, yeah, this is made by like one company that sells to everybody.
phil labonte
Son of them.
tim pool
The tourists drive in from the city and go, oh, look, farm jelly.
And it's better than the store-bought high-fructose corn syrup garbage.
Don't get me wrong.
But it's not, you know, you're just getting a white label jelly that you can buy from any one of these farm stores.
phil labonte
Go to Or's.
tim pool
And the antique stores.
We got like, yo, if you like antiquing, this is where you go to antiquing.
libby emmons
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And they all sell jam.
libby emmons
I bought some cool stuff at an estate sale.
tim pool
There is an, in, it's near here, I think it might be, maybe an Inwood?
Yeah, there's an antique store.
And when you walk in the first room, it's basically just Nazi stuff everywhere.
libby emmons
Creepy.
tim pool
Yeah.
And they're like...
libby emmons
Did you buy some stuff?
tim pool
No.
phil labonte
That is World War II paraphernalia.
tim pool
Yeah, I would say that if Allied stuff was in it too.
libby emmons
There wasn't any Allied stuff?
tim pool
It's like very little.
libby emmons
All creepy German?
tim pool
Yeah, largely like German stuff.
But, you know, I don't care.
Antiquing, it's like they're artifacts.
There's one place I went to that was really cool.
They had a captured German gun, like the sidearm.
I forgot what kind of gun it is.
I don't know.
Was that what it was?
phil labonte
Could have been.
tim pool
I don't know.
And it had a certificate of authenticity.
And I'm like, I totally get what people would buy that.
I know.
Some people are Nazis.
Some people like history.
There's a distinction.
phil labonte
I don't care.
libby emmons
And there's a Venn diagram in there somewhere.
phil labonte
I don't care what anyone calls me.
If I can get my hands on a Sturmgevur for less than 44 grand, I'm buying it.
libby emmons
A what?
phil labonte
Sturmgevur.
The first machine gun that the Nazis had.
libby emmons
Okay.
phil labonte
And it was actually the AK-47 had a lot of influence from the Sturmgewehr.
tim pool
Interesting.
We got a bunch of stories.
Should we talk about this major Supreme Court ruling that Trump just won?
phil labonte
That would be a good idea.
tim pool
Here we go!
From the Daily Mail, Supreme Court rules on Trump's total ban on transgender troops saying, yep.
A huge win for Trump.
The Supreme Court ruling lifts the lower court's decision to pause Trump's policy, which the administration called dramatic and facially unfair.
The order allows the DOD to continue removing trans service members from the military and denying enlistment while lawsuits continue in the lower courts.
libby emmons
Yeah, so we're still going to hear it in the, what is it, the Fifth Circuit?
The one in Louisiana?
Is that the Fifth Circuit?
tim pool
Well, Trump's policy is sound.
Okay, first.
Gender dysphoria is a DSM-5 mental disorder.
That is the academic description.
Because it is, it allows people suffering from gender dysphoria to get prescribed medications.
Were it not a mental disorder, they could not get prescribed medications or surgeries.
Donald Trump is saying, we are adding a mental disorder from the DSM-5 to the criteria that will bar you from entry.
There's a bunch of others.
Schizophrenia, for instance.
There's a bunch of mental disorders.
There's like 44, I think.
This is just one of them.
The lower courts are basically telling the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, and I should say this, this judge literally wrote, all means all, saying you can't discriminate against a person for this reason.
That means that the viral meme that came out of this was a bipolar paraplegic must be allowed to enter the military and go through basic training, which is impossible.
Trump's policy is sound.
If you are diagnosed with gender dysphoria but do not exhibit symptoms, you are fine.
But if you are exhibiting symptoms, then you're out.
That means if you're a man who dresses like a woman or is undergoing treatments and chemicals and whatever it is, then they're going to discharge you.
libby emmons
Well, and a lot of people go into the military and then decide they're trans and then the military pays for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
You know, one of the people who brought suit actually transitioned in the military.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
Was in the military for like 19 years.
So this case went to Washington.
I think a court in Washington that put on the nationwide injunction.
The Trump administration appealed it to the Fifth Circuit.
The Fifth Circuit did not lift the injunction.
So they did the emergency application of the Supreme Court that lifted the injunction while it's being heard in the Fifth Circuit.
phil labonte
There is no topic more...
Absolutely insane than things like transgender people in the military.
The transgender issue overall is just a complete and total insane topic.
The fact that we debate this is mind-blowing.
libby emmons
It is kind of, yeah.
tim pool
Look.
To my Canadian friends, I know we made fun of you quite a bit tonight.
But I have to admit, the United States is a largely unserious people as well.
We may be tougher than you because we did elect Trump twice.
amber athey
Very fine people on both sides.
tim pool
Yes.
You are a silly people.
We are also a silly people, but slightly less, to be fair.
phil labonte
Admiral Rachel Levine.
tim pool
Oh, also removed, right?
phil labonte
Thank God.
libby emmons
I don't think so because they're in the...
He's in the National Health Corps?
phil labonte
He should never...
tim pool
I thought there was a ruling saying Trump could fire...
libby emmons
I saw something about that, and it appeared on a lot of people's Twitter posts, and I couldn't actually find it in real life.
tim pool
Yeah, you're right.
I'm looking for it now.
I see nothing.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's just a bunch of Twitter posts.
It was just a bunch of people who were really excited about it.
tim pool
No, I think people might be saying this.
This ruling would allow Trump to fire Rachel Levine.
libby emmons
But Rachel Levine...
Is in the health service.
phil labonte
Doesn't matter.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think it matters.
libby emmons
And already is fired.
phil labonte
Thank God.
libby emmons
Right?
Because they're not the deputy or assistant health and human services secretary anymore.
tim pool
Yeah, I think you're right.
libby emmons
Levine is not in the government.
amber athey
Yeah.
libby emmons
But it's like a first admiral in some sort of health service.
amber athey
First four-star female admiral.
phil labonte
Not even female.
unidentified
Insane.
phil labonte
Crazy person.
libby emmons
But they said female.
They kept saying female.
amber athey
Yeah, that's what they said.
First four-star female admiral.
phil labonte
I don't care.
It's just lies.
libby emmons
How sick of being lied to are you?
phil labonte
Here's the thing.
tim pool
We joke and laugh about it.
50 to 100 years from now, if the woke win, no one will know this is a man.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
Because they rewrite all the articles to say she and her and first female.
libby emmons
Well, yeah.
You have to be careful about that and not lie.
I mean, you just can't lie.
tim pool
They even remove Rachel Levine's name is removed from the Wikipedia.
amber athey
Right.
tim pool
Look, if I changed my name to Phil Labonte, the Wikipedia would say Phil Labonte born Timothy Poole.
But if you are trans, they remove the history of your name.
libby emmons
And they make it illegal for you to use the person's name.
You know, they do that too.
It's absolutely out of control.
phil labonte
I tweeted this just like yesterday or earlier today.
There is a fairly famous trans woman that is saying the batshit crazy thing of if you don't like trans women, you don't like women.
libby emmons
I saw your tweet on that.
phil labonte
That is not even within the realm of sane.
That is so crazy.
That is why the trans movement is going to fall apart.
You are not going to get lesbians to accept that they must have sex with a person with a penis.
Isn't that crazy?
It's insane.
tim pool
I had a friend.
I haven't talked to this person since this point.
I lost a friend over this.
Man, this is probably 10 years ago.
She was saying that trans women are women and trans men are men.
And I'm talking to her and I was like, well, I mean, you know, the trans women is a trans woman.
And she's like, no, they're women.
And I was like, but come on.
libby emmons
And what are they transitioning from?
tim pool
I was like, you're not saying literally.
And she's like, yes.
And I was like, so you like men?
She's like, yes.
And I'm like, so you would be in a relationship with a trans man?
She's like, yes, it's a man.
And I was like, but they got lady parts.
She was like, so?
And I was like, are you into that?
She was like, I could learn to.
And then I was like, so you're into conversion therapy.
She snapped and then she was like, what is wrong with you?
Why are you even bringing this stuff up?
And I'm like, you were bringing it up and I'm just having a conversation with you.
And that was the last time we ever talked.
unidentified
What's wrong with you?
She asked what's wrong with you?
phil labonte
She's the one that is actually making the insane statements.
tim pool
I just told her she was gay.
amber athey
I was reading some articles recently about ending gender-affirming care, as they call it, and then a separate bill about conversion therapy, and I started to get confused because I was like, aren't they the same thing?
But there's actually a lot of news organizations now, to your point about, like, they don't say trans woman anymore.
It's just woman.
A lot of news organizations like the Washington Post and Politico have gotten away with all signifiers of someone being transgender.
So you're not allowed to say...
Biological man or biological woman, you're not allowed to say identifies as or born as because it all implies that the person is not actually the gender that they claim to be.
phil labonte
Guess what?
libby emmons
It's just lies.
That's how you end up with this female woman, teacher, rape student.
tim pool
Well, here's the problem.
Conservatives will say a transgender male.
To mean a guy who wants to be a woman, but to a liberal, they're hearing a trans man who's a female who wants to be a male.
libby emmons
Because you have to do mental jumping jacks.
tim pool
I'm just going to say, from now on, I'm just going to refer to when someone is female and then undergoes drugs or surgery to appear male, or if they're male and do the same thing to be female.
I'm going to call that conversion.
libby emmons
It is conversion, yeah.
tim pool
So you're undergoing conversion.
libby emmons
Well, another thing too, like, did you see, so Robert De Niro's 29-year-old son came out as trans recently and was talking about how when he was a kid, he never heard anybody say that he was just right, just the way he is.
And, you know, that if he'd heard that, then he would have felt better about himself coming out as trans.
Maybe he would have come out trans sooner.
But being trans is thinking that...
There's something wrong with you.
Otherwise you wouldn't need to take a bunch of weird drugs to mess up your whole body.
phil labonte
I saw a great picture of Robert De Niro and his kid and Clint Eastwood and his kid.
Clint Eastwood's kid is a normal dude.
He's a man.
But he looks totally normal.
And Robert De Niro's kid is obviously an insane person.
libby emmons
And obviously an insane person.
And there's so many of these insane children in Hollywood.
tim pool
Well, Bill Maher made a great point.
He said, what are we doing?
Because it's not happening in Ohio, but it is happening in California.
libby emmons
Well, it is happening in Ohio.
It's happening all over the place.
tim pool
He's pointing out the numbers.
In California, it's like 30%.
In Ohio, it's like two.
amber athey
Well, apparently Virginia has the highest per capita trans rate in the country, apparently.
libby emmons
Is that because of all the private schools in D.C.?
amber athey
I think it's probably like a Nova thing.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
I think it might just be that I do think there's two big components and they're different.
I don't think men and women become trans for the same reasons.
libby emmons
No, I don't know.
amber athey
That's 100% true.
tim pool
Men, there's either fetishists.
libby emmons
Like Leah Thomas.
tim pool
There's legitimate dysphoria, which some people, whatever that...
They have the dysphoria.
And then I also think that some of it is a hormonal imbalance, which may cause the dysphoria.
amber athey
Like a lack of testosterone?
tim pool
Low-T guys.
amber athey
So they don't feel masculine enough, so they think they must be women.
tim pool
It's not that.
It's that they're very low testosterone and very effeminate, and they behave like women.
And then people tell them, you must be a girl.
And because they're agreeable and low-T, they say, okay.
For trans men, people who are female, I think a lot of it is growing up in a society that demonizes femininity, tells women to be bosses.
We in the United States tell young girls to succeed, you have to be a CEO, not a mom.
And so when they're growing up, they are being battered over the head socially with be a boss, be a CEO, be independent.
And many of them internalize that.
amber athey
A lot of it is also sexual trauma.
A lot of young women who experience sexual assault or persistent harassment in childhood use transitioning as a way to get away from the female body so they're no longer attractive to people who would take advantage of them.
tim pool
I think that's what happened with Ellen Page.
amber athey
I think that's probably right.
tim pool
I was reading a part of Ellen's book, Elliot's book, and...
The story very much is that she was mercilessly abused in Hollywood and raped.
She talked about it in the press, how she was beating herself and self-harming, and then this was her out.
amber athey
It's an advancement of the self-harm.
It's like the peak of self-harm.
tim pool
It's a stay away from me.
You can't touch me now.
You don't want to touch me.
It's sad.
I think of it like with anorexia or bulimia.
When we see somebody who's anorexic, we say, stop, stop.
Like, you need help.
You need treatment.
We're going to help you.
But with a lot of these people who are suffering from dysphoria or trauma, like you're describing it, people clap and cheer them on.
Say, come on, come on, do it, do it.
It's like, geez, man.
It's like telling a person on a bridge to jump.
It's messed up.
libby emmons
It is messed up.
tim pool
That's what the liberals do, because for whatever reason, they're on the wrong side of everything.
libby emmons
Including euthanasia, like in Canada, if we just go back.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
libby emmons
By 2027, the mentally ill will be able to request government-assisted suicide to cure their suicidal ideation.
tim pool
Did you see the nonverbal woman who was trans?
Okay.
She couldn't speak, and they decided she was trans.
There's going to be an individual who's nonverbal, and I go, what's that?
You said you want medical assistance in dying?
Well, okay, I guess.
libby emmons
Well, in Quebec, what they're doing now is you can do an advance directive.
So if you have dementia...
You can tell your doctor that at a certain point you want them to kill you, and they will just take that as future permission and just carry it out at some later point.
tim pool
A slippery slope.
libby emmons
It's not slippery.
It's like we're right there.
I mean, we're right.
We're at the bottom of the slope.
tim pool
We're on the ground.
The slope is gone.
libby emmons
We slipped all the way down, and here we are.
The New York Assembly just passed.
I wrote about that for the New York Post.
Full-throated opposition to such horrors.
tim pool
Jeez, man.
amber athey
Imagine having a condition where 70% of the time you can cure it by running and touching grass and you're just like, nah.
libby emmons
Also in Canada, you can request MAID for non...
Fatal, incurable, non-terminal, incurable conditions.
tim pool
You know, it's crazy to me is that one of the reasons that I think they're introducing MAID is because they know they're going to have a wave of purposeless, depressed people.
And it's going to be a lot of atheist females who are single and childless.
And they're going to say, here's your opportunity, medical assistance and dying.
amber athey
That would be a huge strain on the health service, which is government-run there, and there's no kids to take care of them.
tim pool
Yeah, Chelsea Handler said she was happy.
amber athey
Sure.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
phil labonte
Chelsea Handler said she was happy.
libby emmons
She's also the one who said she likes to wake up on Saturday and get high and masturbate and then go back to sleep.
amber athey
Pretty bleak.
libby emmons
Seems really sad and depressing.
If that were my life, I would find that sad and depressing.
tim pool
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Let's see.
Flan the Man says, Where is Mary?
Something is indeed happening.
Good point.
Mary's, you know, she's like, I'm in the Nothing Ever Happens camp, and now she's ragging on me because I keep bringing it up.
It's not about Mary, though.
It's about Gen Z in general.
libby emmons
What's the Gen Z age?
What's the time period for them?
tim pool
Right now, I think it's like 15 to 27 years old.
phil labonte
She would definitely say that this is...
tim pool
97 to 2012 or something.
libby emmons
So my son is Gen Z if he's 15 right now?
tim pool
Yes, I believe so.
phil labonte
She would say this isn't happening because it's not happening here.
libby emmons
Right.
I think that's true.
tim pool
97 to 2012.
libby emmons
Okay.
tim pool
And Gen Alpha is 2013 until now.
There's different...
Estimates for when Gen Alpha will end.
And some say it'll be a shorter generation.
They're basing this off of the technological and cultural developments of that period.
What makes a group of people similar to each other?
So, for instance, like millennials coming of age around in the early 2000s and starting without internet and moving into an internet era, whereas Gen Z was born with the internet.
By the time they were 10, the internet was ubiquitous, and then Gen Alpha is after that.
libby emmons
Interesting.
tim pool
Yep.
If we extend Gen Alpha to 15 years, the estimate is 48 million.
That is a microscopic generation.
libby emmons
That's pretty small.
amber athey
Wow.
tim pool
Labor crisis.
How fun.
libby emmons
Gen X was also pretty small, if I recall.
tim pool
But right now, Gen X is still, I think, 69 million.
Comparable in size to Gen Z. Nah, she doesn't care about global warming anymore.
She's Israel.
Did you see she had that video come out where she was like, we were attacked or something?
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know what it was about because I don't care what she's doing.
But she didn't even care about climate change anymore.
She's just like, Israel, they're bad.
amber athey
So you're out of it.
tim pool
Well, I'm actually...
If we can convince all of these global lunatics to abandon their cause and just hyper-focus on Israel, it would end a lot of politicking, you know, for the better.
unidentified
Not for Israel, but, you know, who cares about that?
tim pool
But, like, look at Greta Thunberg abandoned her global mission.
Now she's just like, I'm concerned about this small strip of land.
libby emmons
Yeah, she was supposed to be on a boat the other day going from Malta to try and run the Israeli blockade of Gaza.
Yeah, it got attacked, right?
Yeah, the boat got attacked.
But after it got attacked, it turned out that it also wasn't sailing under any flag because the Republic of Palau or whatever had revoked the flag.
So no one would let the boat land anywhere at any dock because it had no flag and it had no insurance.
And whoever, the Prime Minister of Malta was like, if you let us...
Check out what you're carrying on that boat.
Then, you know, we'll let you dock and we'll help you with repairs.
And the people on the boat from the Freedom Flotilla or whatever NGO it was called, they were like, no, you can't come on.
We're not going to tell you what we're carrying.
amber athey
We just live in the ocean now.
libby emmons
Yeah.
And they can't dock.
Yeah.
amber athey
That's awesome.
libby emmons
And Malta was like, just tell us what's on your boat.
They were like, no, we won't.
tim pool
Creepy.
libby emmons
Totally creepy, you know?
And all the press about it was like, oh, they attacked a humanitarian aid, and it's like, really?
phil labonte
If it was humanitarian aid, they would have let them on the boat.
libby emmons
They would have just told them what was on the boat.
tim pool
I've got a super chat here that I can't read, so I'm going to save it for the uncensored portion because it's very good.
libby emmons
Okay.
tim pool
Michael Cicerelli.
Says, I know that I'm late on this, but for a show that only has one basketball reference, shout out to Muggsy Bows, Tim has had a couple sick 360 windmill dunks from the free throw line over the past week, i.e.
White House and Piers show.
Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice.
Thank you, man.
I really appreciate that super chat.
I try.
You know, I think one of the big issues...
I was saying this before.
The White House people were saying they thought I was a hermit and I wouldn't go anywhere.
And I was like, what do you mean?
I flew to New York to go on Jesse Waters' show, which I will be doing again in a couple weeks.
libby emmons
Oh, that's nice.
Hey, you've been killing it.
tim pool
Yeah, they could.
amber athey
Would you like to go to New York for it?
tim pool
Because if I go to New York, then I can go on a bunch of shows at once.
And so we're reaching out to a bunch of different...
amber athey
Gotcha.
tim pool
So there's actually a couple shows I'm going on when I go to New York.
And DC, we're here all the time.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, getting out.
But gotta do it.
So, Piers Morgan's team has reached out quite a bit, and...
Okay, did you guys see the...
I gotta play this.
I gotta play this.
amber athey
I feel like I know what you're referencing.
tim pool
You probably do, because it's going massively viral.
amber athey
Yeah, I didn't know exactly what it is.
It was all over my X account today.
tim pool
Here it is.
amber athey
I don't know what that says about me, but...
tim pool
I gotta play this clip.
I was watching Piers.
amber athey
Yeah, there it is.
tim pool
Are you guys ready?
phil labonte
Hilarious.
amber athey
Can you play this?
tim pool
What?
amber athey
Are you allowed to play this on this part?
tim pool
Nobody says anything nasty.
amber athey
Oh, okay.
True.
tim pool
Actually, Mark Lamont Hill does use a racial slur.
Okay.
unidentified
But...
tim pool
Where's the audio?
unidentified
Oh.
No backlash about this.
I want to make people say things to white people all the time and they never get canceled.
There's no backlash about this.
I want to live in a country where people are allowed to say what they want unashamedly and you can...
Well, go on then.
Say it.
Say the N-word.
Go on.
Say the N-word.
Go on.
No, no, no.
I don't want you to invite this woman to say a racially harmful term in front of me because I'm the only one here.
So if she says it, I'm the victim of it.
So please don't invite her for ratings to call me the N-word because that's basically what it's going to be.
There's a bunch of white people up here and one...
Uncle Tom on the left here.
tim pool
And to ask her to say to him while I'm here is ridiculous.
unidentified
You would not sit here with a Jewish person and say, please use a Jewish slur in front of this Jew.
tim pool
It's ridiculous.
unidentified
I understand you don't have any bad intent, Pierce.
I understand what you're trying to do.
phil labonte
I hear you.
I don't want to indict a racial harm to me.
unidentified
I hear you.
I hear you.
tim pool
And I accept that.
Thank you all very much.
Okay, so first of all, he called Myron Gaines an Uncle Tom, which is a racial slur.
And the funny thing is, in the full show, Myron's like, I'm the definition of an African-American.
And he's like, no, you don't count your Sudanese.
Or like Mark Lamont Hill said something like that.
It's in Africa.
I'm like, he said Myron wasn't black at one point or something like that.
And then said, like, it's basically all white people here.
And I'm watching this.
I'm like, Myron's African-American.
But because he's not born in America.
He's an African to American immigrant, I guess.
So he doesn't count as being black?
amber athey
Did the flag on his gun say the N-word on it?
tim pool
I have no idea what it said, actually.
libby emmons
I think it probably said bang.
amber athey
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, that would be my guess.
tim pool
Yeah, because I doubt he would hold that up on Piers' show.
Piers is not going to invite him back.
But maybe, I don't know, Myron gets, you know, pretty offensive at times.
Either way, that clip was wild.
Piers?
Yo, buddy.
amber athey
No, the gun had the N-word on it.
Did it really?
According to everyone reposting the clip.
libby emmons
But where would you even get that?
tim pool
But I watched this on his show and it was blurred.
So how would they have seen it?
Unless Myron showed people.
amber athey
Maybe he did.
tim pool
Well, because Myron might have it on his own show.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
But here's the thing.
Myron's black.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know.
I just gotta say, Piers...
What were you thinking telling a white woman to drop an N-bomb on your show?
libby emmons
That's so weird.
tim pool
Go ahead, say it.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
No!
amber athey
Well, it also misses the point, which is she's saying, like, I want to live in a world where, and he's telling her to do it, but, like, she's making the...
I don't live in that world.
So...
tim pool
You know, I understand the point that Lily was making.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
And Piers...
Like, the reason I brought this up is I think the whole show was...
I think it was handled poorly, largely on Piers' point, but Lilly also could have done better.
I do not respect the idea that you just want to go out and insult people and use slurs against them.
I do respect the idea that we should have free speech equally, and any racial group shouldn't be allowed to use racial slurs against another.
And you have a double standard?
amber athey
And I don't want to see people have their lives destroyed over a stupid viral video when they're like a private person who's getting in this argument.
tim pool
I think the challenge with it is, like, yes, I agree.
The challenge with it is companies are largely like, look, you are well known for doing something that most people don't like, so I don't want to work with you.
There's a challenge for, look, I run a company, I have a business.
If someone who worked here went out in the middle of the street holding up some, like, really offensive sign, And it was like, where was the line calling for genocide or who knows what?
How am I going to run a business when advertisers are saying, yo, that crossed the line?
amber athey
It depends on your job, though, I think.
Like, what if she works at the local bank?
tim pool
Right.
amber athey
Does anyone care?
tim pool
No one's going to know.
And so for us, we're like, that's why I think if you're in the media space, it is different.
amber athey
Yeah, totally.
tim pool
That being said, the threshold for us here at Timcast is largely criminal.
So we've had people here go on X and post really messed up stuff, and I'm like, oh.
And then I've had people tweet at me, be like, did you see what your employee said?
And I'm like, I did.
You're going to fire them?
And I just put LOL.
I don't think you know who you're talking to.
Someone on their own free time said a naughty word on X. What am I going to do about it?
Knock on their door and be like, hey, I police your life now.
What is this, communism?
I don't want to live in that world.
I want a private business.
Someone comes here to clean my floors.
I'm going to tell them what they can or can't say.
libby emmons
Yeah, that would be crazy.
tim pool
But that's the world that they want to live in.
libby emmons
That's the world a lot of people want to live in.
Except when it happens to them, and then they find it confusing, and they wonder what happened.
tim pool
You know, that clip was hilarious, though, because Piers was like, do it.
Say it like, Piers, you knew where that was going.
You got two black guys on your show, and you told the white woman to drop an N-bomb.
unidentified
Why?
phil labonte
You should have.
It'd be hilarious.
libby emmons
Why?
amber athey
She's already said it before.
phil labonte
Look, Piers Morgan's show is like Maury Povich.
He gets people to do outrageous things that's part of his MO.
Give him what he wants.
Give him the clip he wants.
Not like Lily cares.
You know?
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
The whole point of that show is the outrage.
The whole point of Piers' show is outrage.
tim pool
I would love to do the culture war with Zoom calls because we would get a lot more people if we did.
But...
It doesn't work.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
It doesn't work.
Like, even when I'm doing these one-on-one interviews in the morning, it's really hard to have interaction because we can't really see each other.
libby emmons
No, I do those all the time.
Like, I'll do, you know, like Newsmax or whatever from my house.
And you have to, like, you have to, like...
You have to just pretend that you're in person, and it's not easy.
amber athey
No, it's not.
tim pool
There's also issues with time.
libby emmons
Yeah, the delay is weird.
amber athey
Yes.
libby emmons
Like, it's also, you can't say, thanks for having me.
There's no time.
tim pool
Not just that, I don't know what their time is at.
amber athey
Yeah, because they don't come in your ear and tell you, like, we've got to wrap.
tim pool
Right.
amber athey
Yeah.
It does make it harder.
tim pool
The good shows will start playing slow music, will rise.
amber athey
Or the host will start sort of politely interrupting you, and you can kind of, like, Fox does that.
You can kind of tell.
tim pool
Yeah, I know, but, like, that is...
Crude, in my opinion.
amber athey
It's not ideal.
libby emmons
It helps if you know how long, like if they tell you you're on for like two segments and this is how long each segment is, then you can like figure it out on your own.
tim pool
I went on Charlie Kirk's show recently and they said, here's how we're going to break down the time and I have a clock right there.
It's like, easy.
libby emmons
And then Charlie at the end will be like, with a minute left, tell us this.
And you're like, okay, I got a minute.
amber athey
That's always a good move.
We used to have this host that did Rising with me, and she was remote in North Carolina.
And it was so impossible to have a real debate because it was like, she talks for three minutes, and then I talk for three minutes.
Because you can't have any crosstalk with the time delay.
tim pool
Exactly.
amber athey
Because then you just sound like a jerk because it sounds like you're actually interrupting them.
tim pool
Indeed.
Let's grab some more.
Jeffrey Frenchpods, or is it PDS?
I don't know.
Tim, it's China using Pakistan.
Perhaps.
St. Miles says, Hindus believe in reincarnation.
They are afraid of coming back as a bug.
That wouldn't work on me.
libby emmons
Coming back as a bug?
unidentified
No, why?
tim pool
They don't live that long.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
Squashed.
Most bugs don't get squashed.
Most bugs just be chilling.
amber athey
Just kind of die.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, we have waves of bugs here at the boonies in the skate park.
The first bugs, I think they were stink bugs.
amber athey
Oh, I hate stink bugs with a burning passion.
tim pool
But then we had crickets.
amber athey
Not so bad.
tim pool
Then we had ladybugs.
amber athey
Not so bad.
libby emmons
Those aren't bad.
tim pool
Then we had wasps.
libby emmons
That's terrible.
tim pool
Very bad.
The wasps seem to be gone, and we're back now to, I think it's stink bugs.
libby emmons
I have a, maybe it's a cycle.
Maybe they're just reincarnating.
tim pool
I think they're all competing and eating each other in cycles.
amber athey
Yeah.
libby emmons
I have wasps.
There's like occasionally wasps at my house, but they're paper wasps, so they...
They're like eating my deck chairs.
tim pool
You know, I actually like stink bugs.
I don't like the number of them.
amber athey
I can't stand stink bugs.
tim pool
They're hilarious.
amber athey
They look so insane.
I don't know.
There's something about their spiky little edges and the pattern on them that freak me out.
I think just because, like, growing up in rural Maryland...
Like, as a kid, there's a stink bug infestation.
Like, the thought of that just really scared me.
tim pool
But they're super chill.
amber athey
They're also an Asian invasive species.
That's true.
unidentified
And I'm a kudzu, the Asian lady beetles.
tim pool
Oh, the lanternflies.
amber athey
Yeah.
tim pool
Those are gross.
amber athey
I can't stand an invasive species.
tim pool
I was recording a segment once, and when I rapped, I looked up, and there was a stink bug, and it was clapping.
It was going like this.
And I was like, thank you.
libby emmons
You once freaked me out.
There was a stink bug on my mic and you like pointed it out and I lost it.
amber athey
I would freak out.
I hate bugs.
tim pool
But stink bugs don't do anything.
unidentified
They smell bad.
amber athey
We put one in a water bottle once and shook it up and then opened it in front of my cat's face.
libby emmons
And blasted it.
tim pool
They stink.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But they're chill.
amber athey
Someone's going to cry animal abuse now.
tim pool
Crickets are chill.
libby emmons
No, nobody likes bugs.
amber athey
No, the cat.
libby emmons
A lot of crickets.
tim pool
A lot of crickets in here.
The good thing about the crickets is that we could scoop up and throw them to chickens.
You know what I mean?
I was thinking what we need to do is just get a chicken and let them loose.
Her.
Run around.
Because roosters don't care to eat because they don't make eggs.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
So they just like watch and they like look around all crazy as the hens go nuts and just attack everything.
One of our chickens once ate a mouse.
libby emmons
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, they do that.
amber athey
That's wild.
tim pool
Chickens, man, they're crazy.
Little dinosaurs.
All right, Pinochet says, if a nuclear war occurs, Democrats should immediately run outside to take in the view and the rays, get it over with.
Ha ha.
To be honest, we're not going to get by a nuke, so that's just, nothing's ever going to happen.
It's not.
Gio Colio says, Tim Gass should make several shows on nuclear war and survival and bring on some experts on how to survive nuclear war.
There are several writers out there that are good sources.
That'd be a cool culture war.
libby emmons
That would be a good one.
tim pool
Talking about surviving a nuclear apocalypse.
libby emmons
You get like a prepper on there too.
tim pool
Yeah, I think we have done that before.
It's fun.
So, how many cans of beans do you have?
unidentified
5,000.
amber athey
They would never tell you.
A real one would not tell you.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
They wouldn't tell you?
Why?
amber athey
No, because they don't want people coming to their house for supplies.
phil labonte
Yep.
libby emmons
Yep.
Sounds like a video game.
phil labonte
It's true though.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
libby emmons
Jinx.
tim pool
B. Walsh says, please read this ASAP.
John Bolton gave an interview on New Delhi TV last night saying India had a right to attack.
Interesting.
amber athey
Shut up, John Bolton.
phil labonte
Yeah, shut up, John Bolton.
amber athey
Now I'm changing my whole perspective on this thing.
tim pool
Nicosia says, I've attended a gay wedding where one groom was Indian and one was Pakistani.
Not only did I survive, I had a blast.
Figuratively.
Phil, only in America.
phil labonte
Only in America.
tim pool
What do we have?
Let's grab it.
Peter says, did Israel bomb a Yemen airport today?
Also, World War III?
I think we did talk about that.
libby emmons
Yeah, the Sanaa, the airport.
phil labonte
I'm still a no on World War III.
The only thing that could get, in my opinion, the only thing that would really set up World War III is if China decides that they're going to back the PACs.
Because China and Pakistan have kind of an alliance.
libby emmons
Pack the Paks?
They have like t-shirts printed up?
phil labonte
Pakistan.
If you say Paki's, that's wrong.
libby emmons
No, that's racist.
That's racist.
tim pool
All right.
Kawi Ryder says, what do you think the chances are that any country has successfully developed an antimatter bomb?
100%.
libby emmons
What would be an antimatter bomb?
tim pool
I believe as we know it right now, it would be the most devastating explosive, the most compact.
When antimatter comes into contact with its opposite matter, it releases 100% of its energy.
libby emmons
Oh, wow.
tim pool
So a very, very tiny amount of antimatter could create massive explosions.
The issue is I think antimatter costs something like $1 trillion per gram.
libby emmons
Oh, so it's either that or a defense department.
tim pool
Let me take a look.
How much antimatter does the U.S. have?
Probably, like, it's a microscopic amount.
I think they've definitely got it.
Nanograms.
Billionths of a gram.
Obviously, because it's, you know.
Fermilab has produced approximately 15 nanograms of antiprotons.
phil labonte
It's really hard to...
Keep that stuff from interacting with regular protons.
amber athey
Not very stable.
phil labonte
Well, it's not that it's not stable.
It's just that when it comes in contact with...
So it's just negatively charged.
And when it comes in contact with a positive charged proton, it annihilates.
And protons and those subatomic particles are all over the place.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
And that is not nearly enough.
It would be...
You ready?
Point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero six four tons of TNT.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
A very, very small explosion based on the amount of nanograms Fermilab has.
But what else?
We have more than that.
Let's see.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
LLNL has 100 billion positrons.
Has generated 100 billion positrons.
That's a lot.
phil labonte
No, I bet it's not.
tim pool
What about 100 billion positrons?
Yeah, but that's what they tell us about.
amber athey
True.
tim pool
Let's see.
That is...
Minuscule.
It would be the equivalent of a single raindrop hitting your skin.
phil labonte
A positron is the opposite of an electron.
An electron is one of the smaller subatomic particles before you get to the particles.
It's one of the smaller subatomic particles.
tim pool
I just think they ain't telling us.
phil labonte
I don't know.
It's not easy to make anti-matter.
It's not, you know, because if it comes in contact with matter, it annihilates.
tim pool
All right.
Nicholas Gonzalez says there's already a movie about invading Canada called Canadian Bacon starring John Candy.
Really?
libby emmons
I love John Candy.
He was funny.
phil labonte
He was hilarious.
tim pool
Arsenal Man says when the boomers die, who gets their stuff?
BlackRock.
amber athey
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, it goes into some sort of arbitration.
tim pool
Well, here's my prediction.
And it's probably way off because of all the variables, but it's completely wrong.
Boomers die.
The housing market is going to be insane.
A house today that's $500,000 will be $2 million by then in the next 15, 20 years or more.
Gen Z and millennials will have no money to purchase these properties for such extreme high prices.
So the people who inherit them, which are going to be older millennials and Gen Xers, younger Gen Xers, older millennials, They will say, I don't care.
I don't want the house.
Just sell it.
The agent's going to say, okay, we'll put up for $2 million.
No one's buying.
We'll drop it to $1.7 million.
No one's buying.
$1.4 million?
Okay, we got an offer from BlackRock.
And Gen Z's going to go, wow, I wish I could afford a house.
libby emmons
Yeah, I will say if I inherited properties from my mother who has very nice properties, I would keep them.
And I would share them with my child.
tim pool
Agreed.
I imagine, without saying where they are, they're probably thousands of miles away or a thousand miles away.
libby emmons
Where?
tim pool
The properties that you would inherit would be very far from where you are now.
amber athey
Mine aren't.
libby emmons
No, you know, East Coast.
tim pool
But, so, hundreds?
libby emmons
Yeah, hundreds.
tim pool
How do you maintain the house?
libby emmons
I don't know.
All I have so far...
tim pool
Hey, laborers?
amber athey
Good neighbors.
libby emmons
All I have right now...
tim pool
What happens if a pipe bursts while you're not there?
The house is gone.
amber athey
Well, you have to visit occasionally, yeah.
libby emmons
People have summer houses.
tim pool
Indeed they do.
And you gotta turn the water off.
amber athey
Yeah, you go like once a quarter.
tim pool
Yep.
amber athey
And then you have good neighbors.
libby emmons
I mean, these are places I already go frequently because my mother is there.
tim pool
On average, I think people underestimate how hard it is to maintain a house.
libby emmons
Well, you have like a lot of properties.
tim pool
And it's insane.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
It's ridiculous.
We have the old studio and like the AC was leaking.
And then it's like, okay.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, look.
tim pool
We have to have staff.
Who go there every day and run a checklist to make sure.
phil labonte
It's a good idea to have, like, I've got, you know, my house in New Hampshire, and there are people that live there, and I rent it out to them.
That's not a bad way to actually have property that is maintained, or at least you know what's going on.
amber athey
Yeah, you've got an eye kept on it.
tim pool
Indeed.
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It was so much fun.
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libby emmons
It's like the groundlings.
tim pool
It was very funny.
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amber athey
Yeah, absolutely.
So check out DailyColor.com.
And also you can follow me on X at AmberMarieDuke.
And that pretty much covers everything I'm involved in.
phil labonte
There you go.
libby emmons
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tim pool
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Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for hanging out.
tim pool
Aliens.
You guys ready?
Aliens.
I'm going to play the tape.
unidentified
Have you heard this, Bill?
phil labonte
No.
What is it?
tim pool
So this guy on the left is a physicist who worked on jet propulsion with the government, and this is a member of Congress.
And this dude is saying there are four alien species that they know of.
unidentified
Are they multiple species?
Are they, like, what was their size?
phil labonte
How many are usually on a crab?
unidentified
They're typically the multiple species people are familiar with the grays, the Nordics.
People are talking about reptilians and insectoids.
It's not that they're reptilian or insectoids.
It's that they resemble to the precipice of reptile or insect type human world.
because they have this head and forelimbs and torso.
tim pool
Aliens.
unidentified
Small?
Human size, human scale.
And are there a crew?
Well, the grays I'm familiar with from investigating the crash at Borussia, which is misnade to the crash at Roswell.
It's not the crash at Roswell, it's the crash at Borussia in Mexico.
Those were grays and people put them.
And the Nordics are typically human size, crumpling.
I'm from five, six feet tall.
tim pool
I love this, the Nordics alien.
I'm just imagining like some Swedish military guys working on like jet propulsion and his plane, his vessel crashes.
And when he climbs out, people see a six foot tall blonde guy climbing out and they're like, it's an alien.
And he looks just like a guy from Sweden.
So he's an alien.
It's like, dude, it's maybe just a guy from Sweden.
Or it's like a white dude.
unidentified
Cracker.
tim pool
The Nordics.
Have you guys seen that new jet propulsion bike?
amber athey
No.
tim pool
Let me see if I can find this.
First speeder bike, I call it.
phil labonte
Wait a minute.
Is it jet or is it a turbo prop?
tim pool
Jet.
It is fully contained.
It looks like there's no props at all.
It's internal jets.
phil labonte
It's super small, right?
Yeah, I did see that.
I don't know how to find it, though.
tim pool
Okay, wait, here it is.
Yeah, okay, I found it.
They're saying speeder or hoax, but the guy's saying it's real, it's just jets.
And do they have the actual video?
This is so stupid.
unidentified
Airbike.
tim pool
Some people are saying it's a scam because it can't be done.
But basically what he's saying is that it's just jets.
I think it's real.
You know why?
Have you guys seen the jetpacks?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
They just have jets on the arms and in the back.
That whole unit is smaller than a person.
You could easily condense those jets into a bike and then have it fly.
I don't know why that would...
You see how it's oddly shaped?
Probably because it needs to contain...
That's effectively the size of the backpacks that they already have where they can use jetpacks.
It has to contain all that in a tight space so that it can fly.
I think if you tried to make it longer for more comfort, it would be hard to stabilize.
phil labonte
Question is, how much?
What's the range on it, you know?
tim pool
Probably very little.
I bet it's a half an hour.
And the other thing is, you just die.
unidentified
Yeah, I was watching this video the other day on X. If any part of it malfunctions, you just die.
amber athey
I was watching this video on X the other day of this guy who made like a flying machine.
And something happened.
It's like, it's way gayer than an airplane.
phil labonte
Way gayer than an airplane.
amber athey
It's like this little, like...
Uh, it almost looks like a paraglider, but it has, like, a little compartment that he sits in, and it's got, like, fans on the back of it.
It's ridiculous.
And the thing, like, malfunctions, and he crashes hundreds of feet to the ground, breaks, like, every bone in his body, and he's just laying there like, Siri, call 911!
And there was an amazing comment that said his fiancé just got the ick.
phil labonte
Oh, God.
That sucks.
amber athey
But he lived.
He actually went through a ton of surgeries.
He broke his spine, his neck, everything.
He is walking and he's living.
And the first thing he asked his doctor, I shit you not, can I fly again?
And his fiance was sitting there like, dude, are you kidding me?
libby emmons
Is it like tattoos where you just can't do it once?
phil labonte
That was when she got the egg.
amber athey
They had a kid together at that point, I think.
It was insane.
I went down a whole rabbit hole of this guy's story for like two hours the other night.
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