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Democrat RAIDED After He's CAUGHT Harboring TERRORIST TdA Member, Wife ARRESTED
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The story is currently breaking and developments are still coming in, but news broke the other day that a Democrat judge in New Mexico was harboring a terrorist TDA member.
Now his home has been raided.
He was detained.
The initial reports were that he was arrested, but it now appears that he was only detained.
He was released, but his wife has been arrested and is in ICE custody.
I don't know what that means.
I mean, is his wife an illegal immigrant?
What's going on?
And, well, the question then becomes, why are Democrats so hell-bent on defending cartel members, narco gangs, and illegal immigrants in general?
And I think it's fair to say because this is them, their family members, the people they work with, and in some instances it appears to be members of terrorist organizations.
And I say that not lightly because I'm not a fan of the old the terrorists are going to get you thing, but we're talking about criminal gangs.
That murder politicians who defy their interests.
And so this is political.
When you try to run for office against them, they kill you.
This is terrorism.
And that's why the president has ruled as such.
So this story is currently breaking right now.
It is absolutely crazy.
We're going to go through this.
And we do have a bunch more.
There's some rumors about Pete Hegseth losing another individual from the DOD.
But I've got to be honest, I don't know how much I actually believe.
We'll get into that.
And then, you know, some people may not want us to talk about it, but I do.
So Larry David wrote this op-ed
Bill Maher for meeting with Donald Trump and likening it to him meeting with Hitler.
And yeah, Larry David apparently has Trump derangement syndrome.
But I do think there's an interesting commentary here now that Bill Maher is losing his mind over this.
We'll get into that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is George Papadopoulos.
george papadopoulos
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
george papadopoulos
Oh, so former Trump and Ben Carson advisor got caught up in that entire crazy Russia hoax that, you know, we're still dealing with as a country and the world today.
I have a show out on YouTube now, Global View.
I worked on a lot of political documentaries over the last six years in L.A., including All the President's Men on TCN, Tiger Carlson Network.
So very proud of that.
And just, you know, surviving and doing my best to help this country turn around.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Mary's hanging out.
mary morgan
Hi, everyone.
My name is Mary Morgan.
You can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast.
Happy to be here.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Let's go.
tim pool
Here's the news from KTSM.
Check this out.
New Mexico judge's wife in ICE custody following alleged Trende Aragua member investigation.
So we've got a bunch of different stories on this already.
And this story's been evolving.
Look at this one from KFOX14.
Home of ex-judge raided after claims of hosting Trende Aragua gang member in Las Cruces.
So this is a guy, my understanding, he was a judge and he resigned after they found he was harboring a Trende Aragua dude.
And then we've got this from Wid Linman that originally reported that he was arrested, detained slash arrested.
And you can see in this video, check this out.
You can see that they got his wife.
Ice is arresting his wife.
I don't know why.
Maybe she's an illegal immigrant or something.
And then you can see the judge himself is in cuffs.
I think that's what led to most people believing that he was getting arrested.
But apparently he has been released.
That's the latest update.
And they do have his wife in custody.
So we don't know much more beyond this.
But I will say...
Actually, I should add to this.
Judge Joel Cano is banned from the New Mexico Supreme Court.
So they're saying alleged.
We can see this photo that's gone viral, claiming to be him with this TDA gang member.
Yeah, I'm going to say it.
If you're wondering why Democrats are so hell-bent on defending MS-13, Trende Aragua illegal immigrants, I think, in some instances, they may be family.
I think in some instances they may be in on the take.
I don't think like Senator Van Hollen is getting paid off or whatever.
But I think at the granular level, the reason why we're seeing a New Mexico judge who they reported is a Democratic judge.
He's being detained and his wife being arrested.
And they're harboring this guy in their home.
That's the allegation.
I think along the border especially and in sanctuary states, what you're going to find is something Trump has been referring to them as homegrown terrorists.
These are, MS-13 comes into this country, they have kids, those kids grow up, and they're friends and family members with other people.
These older people may then, through either a path of citizenship or otherwise, get positions of power in local government.
And when we're dealing with a 20 or 30 year problem, I don't think anyone should be surprised to find that there are...
TDA, MS-13, and other narco gang-affiliated individuals working in the judiciary or in police.
There were reports a few years ago.
MS-13 was actually in our armed forces because they intentionally enlist to get in and build that influence.
So this is kind of freaky.
I don't know what you guys think.
You think Democrats are in on the take?
phil labonte
I'm not so sure.
I don't have a sense whether they're in on the take, but it does make sense that...
People in gangs would do what they can to make contacts with people in the judiciary, people in law enforcement.
mary morgan
I just wanted to add that maybe it's more of like an in-law situation because it sounds to me, based on this detail, that this guy might have been dating the judge's daughter.
Really? I don't know.
I'm reading into it too much, but it says, according to a press release from the Justice Department, investigators found social media posts depicting Ortega Lopez posing with multiple guns, some of which were allegedly supplied by April Kano, is that how you say it?
The judge's daughter, who allowed him to hold and sometimes shoot various firearms, the agency said, which I would guess...
Belonged to her.
And I just don't know why that would ever happen unless they were friends or boyfriend and girlfriend.
tim pool
Now imagine this.
mary morgan
And living in the guest house as well.
tim pool
Together. You're a judge.
And, you know, what?
Like, I don't know, is he like a district judge or like a local judge or something?
And your daughter's got a guy who's coming around and you find out he's TDA or MS-13 or something.
You're going to go out and do everything in your power to be like, no, Trump is bad.
Don't investigate this for any reason.
Please stop.
Because you're like, uh-oh.
mary morgan
Some biases, obviously.
tim pool
That's the family connection I'm talking about.
Maybe that's a little lighter, like his daughter met a TDA guy and she brought him over and he was like, I'm totally okay with this.
mary morgan
Or he could at least claim ignorance after the fact.
Maybe they'd be like, I didn't even know he was living in the guest house.
unidentified
We just saw that our electricity bill was going up or something.
tim pool
Why is the wife getting arrested?
mary morgan
That is weird.
So if they were engaging in criminal activity as accomplices to the gang member, They would be just arrested by their local police.
phil labonte
If she was picked up by ICE, it would lead you to believe that there is something to do with immigration.
tim pool
It's being reported that this is a tenant of theirs.
And they said that the wife of a former judge was taken into custody after federal law enforcement learned their tenant, who was an alleged Trendy Aragua member, was arrested at the judge's home.
They say on April 24th, ICE executed a search warrant and probable cause arrest at a residence in the address Homeland Security investigation special agents working with federal law.
So, did that say that the...
phil labonte
The parents knew that he was allegedly?
No. If that's the case, if that's the case, if he got arrested or whatever, they should have gone, if they were not complicit or whatever, they would have gone directly to the law enforcement.
tim pool
It goes on to say, as we previously reported, former Doña Ana County Magistrate Judge Joel Cano rented out his casita to Cristian Ortega Lopez at the behest of his wife last year.
They met Ortega Lopez when his wife hired him to do housework, according to a criminal complaint.
According to court documents obtained by KTSM, the Supreme Court and Third Judicial District Court received his resignation letter March 31st.
So this is like a month ago.
They say it's unknown if Kano's wife knew of the gang affiliation.
I doubt that.
mary morgan
Well, his daughter sure did.
tim pool
I mean, if they were shooting guns and doing a bunch of stuff, I want to say it's a guarantee because people are allowed to shoot guns, but that kind of...
mary morgan
He's not.
He's not allowed to possess or use them.
tim pool
I'm allowed to be here.
george papadopoulos
I'm sure he has a criminal record, too.
It wouldn't be that difficult to do a simple background check considering the guy's a judge and the criminals living with them.
mary morgan
Do you think they were under duress, possibly?
Having to shelter this guy under threat?
tim pool
I will tell you this.
I do have some sympathy.
If you are like a local judge and TDA comes to you and says, we're going to hurt your children and your families who do what we're told.
I do sympathize.
But then if you decide to help them, you go to prison for that.
Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry.
Like, you know, we watch movies and the kidnapper, he's like, if you go to the police, I'll kill your daughter.
And I'm like, you should call the police.
What do you think you're going to do by yourself?
I don't want to tell you.
This judge has zero excuse.
phil labonte
Zero. Absolutely.
tim pool
Former judge, I guess.
phil labonte
This Democrat.
I like the way that sounds.
Yeah, I mean, I don't see how he hasn't made everything worse for himself.
If you're a judge, you definitely have the ability to do a background check like we were talking about.
I'm sure that he has plenty of friends in law enforcement.
His wife got picked up for a reason.
I don't know for sure that she's here illegally, but...
I imagine if ICE is picking her up, maybe they're going to...
mary morgan
She was aiding and abetting people crossings.
phil labonte
But even still, that wouldn't be immigration.
It would still be regular law enforcement.
The only thing that ICE is for is for immigration.
Unless they're picking her up for the other cops...
tim pool
I think people need to consider something when we're seeing this story.
That if you're wondering how sanctuary cities operate, it's not like Gavin Newsom sits there and picks up his gavel and then...
Bangs it and says, no more arresting illegal immigrants.
It's that when you let in, I think at this point, the estimates are upwards of 40 million illegal immigrants.
Because I'm not talking about the past fours.
I'm talking about of all time.
They are going to have family and friends and positions of power.
And that is root corruption.
And then you're going to have a cop or a judge.
And they're going to have friends and they're going to have family members.
And so when they come across the illegal immigrant and they're like, hey, I'm from this place.
Don't arrest me.
The guy goes, you got it, buddy.
Stay safe out there.
This is the destruction of American community.
We talked about this with Reagan's amnesty back in, I think it was like the 80s or whatever.
You had a bunch of people who came to this country illegally.
Reagan gave them an amnesty.
And then when they had children, those kids were presented with a proposition to strip public funds from illegal immigrants.
They wouldn't be able to receive public benefits.
This was the last time, I forget what year it was, but this was the last time that California voted Republican.
Because all of these children of illegal immigrants said, okay, then we vote Democrat because we want public funding for illegal immigrants.
And then California's been blue ever since.
george papadopoulos
It's kind of the same thing with the Dreamers, too.
I think that's why that's such a hot topic and why it's such a sensitive topic and why the Democrats are so invested in that vis-a-vis the Republicans.
tim pool
It's their investment.
phil labonte
So a friend of mine just actually sent me a message and said that sometimes there are customs violations that ICE will pick people up for.
Now, I'm not sure what kind of violation she might have had.
He's a former law enforcement as well.
tim pool
I kind of think they arrested her because she was harboring an illegal immigrant at the minimum and a Trendy Aragua member at the worst.
Actually, not at the worst.
The worst could be that she's in TDA as well, I guess.
mary morgan
If that were the case, then the police would arrest her, so it's quite strange.
I just want to...
Kind of vent about something.
Earlier today, I saw a tweet from the White House account on X, and it was about Abrego Garcia, actually, not this situation.
And it was this, like, AI-generated four-panel cartoon, and the caption was like, cross illegally and join a gang, get deported.
And end of story.
And I just don't understand why it needs to get to that point where someone is committing monstrous crimes.
Other than illegally crossing for us to justify deporting them, why does it need to be you're literally MS-13 for us to feel okay about deporting you?
phil labonte
Just send them all home.
mary morgan
Why is the bar so low?
I feel like our expectations are being set so low for what they're capable of doing.
And we were promised and we mandated mass deportations.
Not deportations of just gang criminals.
tim pool
Well, you know, if you look at when I watch Fox and Friends in the morning, you know, I wake up, I'm making waffles for the wife and the baby, and then I put on Fox and Friends.
There's these commercials with Kristi Noem where she's like, leave now or else.
And, you know, the real thing is they say is you can leave now and then reapply to come back legally, and you can.
But if you get caught here, then you're banned for life.
mary morgan
Yeah, I feel like that's also...
Pretty low bar.
Like, leave and then come back?
I don't want them to come back.
tim pool
You know, I kind of don't think they will.
mary morgan
They're disrespecting our laws.
tim pool
You know, like, my attitude is, you know, the Trump administration is like, if you leave now, we promise you'll come back.
And then as soon as you walk out, they just close the door and lock it.
mary morgan
Is that the plan?
Do I need to trust it?
Is that the plan that I need to trust?
phil labonte
Well, you wouldn't trust it anyway.
mary morgan
I wouldn't trust it anyway, but...
tim pool
To be honest, you look at David Hogg and the DNC, and he said, we're going to put $20 million into primarying old incumbents who need to get out of the way.
You should retire now before we come after you.
And what happened?
Dick Durbin says, I quit.
It's the smart thing to do to say, it's like, this leave and then you can maybe come back later, it probably gets rid of the largest amount of illegal immigrants because they fear getting banned for life.
mary morgan
I don't know.
Call me naive, but I just thought mass deportations meant interior removals by millions.
unidentified
Who does it?
mary morgan
And that's not really happening.
tim pool
Who does it?
george papadopoulos
I think that's what all the ICE symbolics was, with Dr. Phil, with Chrissy Noem, going on those hunts in the city of Chicago and other big cities around the country.
I think that's kind of what that was about.
tim pool
Here's the reality.
Mass physical removal is impossible.
george papadopoulos
You're talking millions of people.
mary morgan
Why would it be promised then?
tim pool
Well, because they didn't promise you that.
You just think they did.
mary morgan
Well, yeah, that actually is true, because if you read between the lines or you listened between the lines, they were always saying, we're focusing on the criminals.
Indeed. Even though they're all criminals, but the violent criminals.
tim pool
And they also did say, and are saying today, self-deportation will be the most effective means of removal.
phil labonte
And I mean, that may be true.
But they have to apply pressure to the people that are hiring illegals?
mary morgan
How do we even track those results?
tim pool
Which ones?
Self-deportations?
mary morgan
Self-deportations.
It seems like something you can't even quantify by the end of this administration.
tim pool
You know, I gotta be honest, I think it might be impossible.
Especially, here's what we're looking at right now.
The Trump administration's got, what, a year?
Before squishy Republicans start crying?
Because the children of illegal immigrants are demanding.
They defend illegal immigrants.
And I mean, you know, with all due respect, we've had members of Timcast call in and say, like, a family member's an illegal immigrant.
They're getting deported.
What do I do?
And I say, you can go home.
Like, you can bring your family home.
This is what we've been talking about.
You don't get to break our laws and take from the American people.
It's just not a reality.
But you got a year.
At the same time, judges are issuing...
Rogue judges are issuing unconstitutional orders.
You've got the media lying about due process.
The new narrative that they're pushing is that Trump wants to strip trials away from illegal immigrants.
This may shock you.
Illegal immigrants never received trials.
There is no trial due process for illegal immigrants.
Never existed.
And so they're lying because they're trying to stop Trump from being able to deport.
A rogue judge will then enforce that.
And then...
Trump deports what?
Maybe a couple hundred thousand before he's out of office?
phil labonte
Just for clarity, the narrative that they're pushing about...
about due process.
They're conflating illegals with people that are here looking for asylum.
Asylees get a hearing about their asylum claims.
Illegals just get sent out.
But the Democrats are perfectly comfortable conflating those two things so that way the American public is confused.
tim pool
Technically correct, but that's under Biden when he changed the rules.
The actual rules, if you go to the immigration website, and as they've always been, is if you enter the country illegally...
Outside of a port of entry, then you are subject to expedited removal.
What Joe Biden changed was he said, no, no, not if they say asylum.
They made that app where people would go and before they came, they felt the app illegally enter the country and they'd say, no, no, nope, I'm an asylum seeker.
And then they'd get shuffled off to some registration center or something and they'd say, okay, we'll give you a court date for your asylum.
Then as soon as you left, they'd throw it in the garbage and say, never come back.
So they were creating de facto permanent residence for these people.
That's illegal.
That's unconstitutional.
That is criminal.
Now, under the Trump administration, they're going back to expedited removal.
That's why we're seeing the border locked down.
It's going to be tough.
Let me jump to this story right here.
We have this from ABC News.
This is from the other day.
Trump says, can't have a trial for all migrants he wants to deport.
Such a thing is not possible to do, he posted on social media.
They say amid a tense legal battle over deportations, Trump is now arguing undocumented migrants should not be given a trial where they could challenge being removed from the country.
You know, they don't actually get that.
Let me pull up the deportation.
phil labonte
It's okay that it's not possible because the American people don't want them to have a trial anyways.
They just want them out.
tim pool
This is what the process is, okay?
What happens when someone is detained by immigration?
They say after a non-citizen is detained, they may go before a judge in immigration court during the deportation.
Oh, wait, but there is a judge.
Hold on.
In some cases, a non-citizen is subject to expedited removal without being able to attend a hearing in immigration court.
Expedited removal may happen when a citizen comes to the U.S. without proper travel documents, uses forged travel documents, does not comply with their visas.
What does this mean?
Everybody we saw under the Biden administration who entered with fake documents or with none.
We're subject to expedited removal.
But that was unprecedented that Biden was doing this.
Immigration court hearings and rulings are for people who, like, overstay their visa or violate the terms of their immigration.
And then they get an order for removal and then they challenge it.
But when you enter the country illegally, it was just expedited removal.
They called Obama the deporter-in-chief because he was just loading them up and flying them out.
george papadopoulos
And lock them in cages, too.
tim pool
He built them all.
george papadopoulos
Yeah, and they blame Trump on that, too.
That was pretty incredible stuff.
tim pool
So it's all lies.
And even last night, Ian fell for it.
I'm sure the audience is saying, we're not surprised Ian fell for the lies.
Mary's giving me a look right now where she's...
unidentified
She almost can't believe it.
tim pool
But I don't mean this disrespectfully.
Ian brought up, Trump said we can't have trials for illegal immigrants now, and I had to correct him.
That narrative pushed by the press is fabricated.
What Trump is actually saying is, let me give you the full context of what Trump is saying.
Illegal immigrants, the people who come here and cross the border illegally, are subject to expedited removal and do not get hearings.
We can't start to have trials for all these people now.
There's too many.
It makes no sense.
You remove the other context.
Trick people into thinking they always did receive a trial and that Trump is trying to strip their rights from them.
Factual but not truthful.
phil labonte
And the goal is to deceive the American people, which is not something new.
It's something that Democrats have been engaging in regularly for the better part of the past 10 years, whether it be the policies during COVID, the...
The very fine people hoax, the Maryland man, whatever it is.
There's been multiple attempts by the Democrats to totally deceive the American people.
And I think generally...
unidentified
It works.
phil labonte
Pardon me?
mary morgan
It works like 99% of the time.
phil labonte
It has worked well, yeah, because most people aren't very politically engaged.
But if you're even marginally politically engaged, I think that...
Unless your personality is kind of geared towards being a Democrat, if you're actually willing to change your opinion based on what you see, I think that most people that do any kind of exploration of the truth, they...
They see that the Democrats are full of crap.
mary morgan
Very teeny tiny fraction of the population actually looks past.
unidentified
It is a teeny tiny fraction of the population of people that actually are into politics.
mary morgan
People just believe whatever is most emotionally resonant to them.
But reeling it back, I might sound crazy for saying this, but I feel like not only would there be a popular demand for an immigration moratorium, but also just a moratorium on asylum claims.
I know they're given court dates for asylum claims, but how about no?
How about a moratorium on that?
phil labonte
I think that would actually be something the American people want.
mary morgan
So many of them are BS anyway.
tim pool
Well, hold on, Mary.
mary morgan
They're all fabricating them.
tim pool
I didn't realize you were a liberal going so soft on these people.
I say, when they come in and claim asylum, we arrest them and criminally charge them and then send them to Guantanamo Bay.
Yeah. I'm not serious, by the way.
I'm just trying to sound like I'm more aggressive than Mary's being.
mary morgan
Am I being aggressive?
tim pool
No, I was kidding.
Okay. I completely agree with the moratorium.
I think we need to shut down all asylum claims until we can figure out what the hell's going on.
george papadopoulos
Well, look, I think the American people agree with this.
That's why the Democrats are at, like, historic disapproval rating right now.
They're trying to normalize these type of issues as if they're popular and that the American people are supporting them.
They don't.
That's why they lost this past election.
That's why they're likely going to lose this midterm if things continue this way.
And this just, I mean, this is complete nonsense.
tim pool
Democrats' strongest man is David Hogg.
phil labonte
And he exemplifies the civil war that's going on in the Democrat Party right now.
tim pool
They're threatening to kick him out.
phil labonte
Yeah, they're probably going to.
mary morgan
Excommunicate him as a Democrat?
tim pool
Excommunicado. He's vice chair, so they're saying we're going to remove you.
phil labonte
Because he is actually...
mary morgan
Such a plan.
He's an actual crisis actor.
phil labonte
He's trying to actually...
Primary Democrats and the DNC official is not in the business of primarying Democrats.
They're not in the business of picking and choosing which Democrat.
They're in the business of making sure Democrats win.
Now, primarying existing seats that are safe seats is a bad move for Democrats to do.
David Hogg's doing that.
tim pool
I disagree.
phil labonte
And Carvel was all over him.
tim pool
No, it's a good thing for them to do.
David Hogg is correct, except he's wrong about literally everything else.
Charlie Kirk is talking about primarying safe red seats to get rid of the rhinos in the party who are against the popular mandate.
David Hogg has a similar idea.
The only problem is his ideas aren't popular at all.
He's on the back end of an 80-20 issue arguing for getting rid of safe blue Democrats who are on the moderate side.
So this is the fascinating thing.
David, imagine if there was a prominent rhino who hated Trump and he was arguing we're going to primary save Republicans.
That's basically what David Hogg is doing.
He's in favor of all the worst issues.
I've got to be honest.
I think David Hogg might be a Republican.
I think one day he was at church and he was wearing his Trump hat and his Trump shirt and watching a video of Trump on his phone.
And then he said, someone needs to destroy the Democrats from within.
And then, you know, one of his buddies looked at him and said, but David, they'll hate you.
And he says, they will.
But it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
And so then he joined the Democratic Party and he's just ripping them to shreds from within and making them look like morons.
phil labonte
Good for him.
tim pool
Good for him.
mary morgan
I feel like it's more likely he was just like groomed from birth by like the FBI or the CIA.
tim pool
Well, his dad, I think, was FBI, right?
mary morgan
Yeah. Was?
Really? Yeah.
That's true.
I was just, I remembered the name of the other, the girl from...
Parkland. Emma Gonzalez, who started going by ex-Gonzalez.
Yeah. And they both just started careers in activism, and it went beyond gun control acting.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
His dad's a retired FBI agent.
mary morgan
That's crazy work.
Like, it's so in your face.
tim pool
Well, I mean...
mary morgan
That's my personal opinion, okay?
My personal opinion.
tim pool
No, I get it, but I'm just saying you don't need a grand...
mary morgan
Something is not what it seems about me.
tim pool
You don't need a grand conspiracy.
His dad was an FBI agent, Democrat.
And he takes after his dad.
And it's not like...
I don't view it as the FBI had a meeting 20 years ago and they said, You must have a child.
A child of prophecy to lead the deep state.
They probably had a kid.
And then he was like, Here's what I think you should do.
And this kid takes after him.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
phil labonte
Uh-huh.
mary morgan
Much to think about.
Indeed. You should ask Alex Jones what he thinks about this.
tim pool
I do think this is...
We'll throw this one in just a little bit.
Postmillennial says that Venezuela's likely weaponizing Trendy Aragua against us.
So when Trump is talking about needing to get these people out as quickly as possible, he is not wrong.
And the sentiment that's going around quite a bit is, actually, the math is simple.
If you allow 20 million people in unvetted, but then you can't remove them without vetting, you've lost.
It's over.
Goodbye. Because that means it's a one-way valve, and they're not going to stop coming in.
george papadopoulos
And I think people have misunderstood that.
Terrorist organizations are not simply in the Middle East and far-off places in Southeast Asia, but they're actually in Latin America, and this is a terrorist organization that these people are members of that have infiltrated the United States.
tim pool
Yeah, and I think it's important to stress this.
Trump is not arbitrarily declaring these narco gangs and prison gangs terrorists for no reason.
He's not calling them terrorists just so he can try and deport them.
These organizations, these gangs, are known for killing politicians.
The definition of terrorist is when you use violence for political ends.
When you get these Mexican mayors and governors, and people are two Muslim cartels, yo, read up on what MS-13 does down there.
If you come out and you say, we're going to clean up the streets and get rid of crime and stop what they're doing, the next day you're dead.
So if these people want to operate here, and they want to act in these ways, then they're terrorists.
phil labonte
I wonder what kind of...
What reaction the American people would have if there was actually even just one politician murdered, blatantly murdered by a gang, right?
Because in Mexico, they don't hide it.
They cut a politician's head off and leave it on their car.
What would the American people do if that happened in the United States?
mary morgan
At this rate, it's more a question of, like, what will they do?
Because it's like a matter of time.
unidentified
As our population is shifting.
phil labonte
I don't know if it's actually a matter of time or not, but I do think if you saw something like that where it was clearly a gang, a foreign gang, that had come to America
and behaved like that, I do think the American people would react in a similar fashion to the way that they did after 9-11 and be like, all right, this...
tim pool
We've got to clarify in this story.
We have a tweet from Kenico the Great who is confused and says, hold on a minute.
Kilmer Brego Garcia's court document from 2019 says, quote, DHS has not shown there are changed circumstances in Guatemala that would result in the respondent's life not being threatened or that internal relocation is possible and reasonable under the circumstances.
Therefore, the respondent's application for withholding under the act is granted.
Anybody knows what's wrong with that quote, with that paragraph, with that sentence?
phil labonte
Uh... No.
tim pool
You haven't figured it out?
phil labonte
I'm not sure.
tim pool
And I'm pausing not for dramatic suspense, but to point out that this document has been public since the Kilmar Abrego-Garcia story started.
I assumed everyone already knew this.
Guatemala is the nation under the circumstances of withholding.
I thought everybody knew that.
And now I'm seeing a bunch of people say, wait a minute.
The nation he wasn't supposed to go back to was Guatemala?
He's in El Salvador.
Yes. I thought y'all knew that.
I thought...
People... I don't know how this one has slipped past people.
Literally, we have a story from the AP.
Who is Kilmar Arbrego Garcia, the man ICE mistakenly deported to El Salvador prison?
It's from April 18th.
I can't remember which guest we had, and they mentioned a rival gang, I think it's called Barrios 18, was threatening his family in Guatemala, and so they fled.
And they're from El Salvador.
Yeah, so what is the argument?
My assumption and understanding of this was that because the gang that operates in Guatemala and borders El Salvador was threatening his family, returning to El Salvador, he would still be unsafe from the threat in Guatemala.
Now people are starting to realize, hey, wait a minute.
The withholding order was for Guatemala, not El Salvador, so technically there is no administrative error at all and there's no need for the AEA.
He could have been deported back there in the first place.
Now, the issue I have with that argument is, guys, There's no issue with the order of withholding at all because he's in prison.
He's safe.
It might be funny, but it's true.
If the argument is, if you release him to the streets of El Salvador, a gang might kill him, well, we got good news.
He's in prison.
There's guards there.
So it's...
There you go.
I mean, what's the issue?
george papadopoulos
Well, kudos to the media for actually using his full name and not the Maryland man.
Right. Because most people know this person by his photo and by Maryland man.
So now we actually kind of know his real name and really what he was all up to.
mary morgan
Do you think this was getting misreported intentionally?
tim pool
Of course.
Well, what happens is later documents, the federal government said he had a withholding to El Salvador.
Despite the fact that the court document references only Guatemala?
mary morgan
Like, what is the incentive for them to lie?
Or is it just incompetence?
tim pool
Well, there's questions about this.
And again, the reason why I wanted to go into this story is because a lot of people are just now reading this court document.
I would just like to say this as respectful as I can.
Guys, you gotta read these things.
I'm talking to you conservatives and the right.
I made the mistake, it's my fault I apologize for this, in assuming that...
The conversations around this understood that Guatemala was the threat.
I can't remember who the guest was, but they mentioned it was a rival gang that was threatening him.
That's why they couldn't go back to El Salvador.
The argument is, quite literally, for the withholding order, that if they go back to El Salvador, this gang, which operates in Guatemala, will come and get revenge or something.
However... Nayib Bukele has cleaned up El Salvador.
It is now safe, and the threat of those gangs is minimal because they don't want to go there.
They'll get thrown in Seacott.
The only real issue, once again, with this case is that he needed a USCIS interview.
That's it.
One guy from immigration to go, your withholding is due to gangs in El Salvador?
Or Guatemala, I see.
Okay, if we send you to El Salvador, where the crime rate is now, it's one of the safest in the Western Hemisphere, you will not face these threats.
Withholding, void.
And then he's deported.
End of story.
mary morgan
He's also a gang member himself.
And we don't want people with targets on their backs in this country if they're just luring the people who are after them to this country.
And they're going to hurt other people too.
phil labonte
That's a good point.
mary morgan
And for the sake of argument, let's say that the protection order was pertaining to El Salvador.
I don't care.
Send him back there.
Prison. No one is going to lose sleep over this man.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, send him anywhere.
Send him to prison.
Send him to Gitmo.
It doesn't matter to me where they send him.
Send him out of America.
Stop making him our problem.
Like, when Donald Trump says that, you know, they're not sending their best, there are a lot of countries that when they heard that the borders were open, they do think, they actually do things like empty their prisons.
Empty their asylums.
They go.
Get out of here.
And kick them out of their country.
And then they wind up here.
That is not a fabrication.
That actually happens.
So the idea that we must accept the criminals of other countries because our Democrats are too spineless to actually send people back, I do not accept that.
We need to send all of these people home.
We need to do everything we can to put a bunch of pressure on Businesses that hire these people and the police need to wrap up as many illegal immigrants as they possibly can and send them out.
mary morgan
Was mandatory E-Verify even mentioned in the 2024 Trump campaign?
phil labonte
I don't think so.
mary morgan
Because that I remember from the 2016 run.
tim pool
I think they're in favor of it, but there's a lot of libertarians who oppose it.
I have an honest question in this regard for you guys.
What is the issue with Real ID?
And collection of biometrics.
As an honest question, it's not a gotcha.
I'm genuinely curious what your thoughts are.
mary morgan
An issue that libertarians have with those?
tim pool
No, no, no.
You. Oh.
Like, what do you think?
Let's just start here.
So, real ID, that basically means all IDs statewide are going to be in a national database.
And biometrics, they're going to collect at various points of entry, your fingerprints, retinal scans, photos, facial ID, whatever.
What are your thoughts on doing that?
Do you think it's good or bad?
george papadopoulos
But they already do that when you come in from outside of the United States and when you're using your passport.
I think a passport essentially is a real ID.
So it's like you're carrying a passport on you.
So if you have a passport already, they already have your data.
tim pool
But already doing it, I don't think, is the argument, right?
Libertarians are going to complain.
They shouldn't be.
So my question for you guys is, are you okay with the mass collection of biometrics?
mary morgan
No? No, I mean, that just feels like it has ulterior motives, or maybe they'll discover ulterior motives on the line.
tim pool
So the argument largely is, the reason they do it at the border, is that if your biometrics are in the system, and you come to the border and they scan it, they'll be like, gotcha.
mary morgan
These are basically, it's data they can use in mass surveillance, and they already do.
Facial recognition.
tim pool
Right, right.
But my question is, why are you worried about mass surveillance?
phil labonte
I don't have a problem with it if they're doing it at the border.
At ports of entry.
I don't really have a problem with that.
Like, if you leave the country and they scan your face when you come back, even for American citizens, I don't really have that much of an issue with it.
I don't think that it should be done at the airport every time you get on an airplane.
tim pool
But why not?
phil labonte
Because of things like privacy issues.
mary morgan
We deserve privacy.
tim pool
What does that mean?
phil labonte
You should...
tim pool
Okay, guys, let me try it again.
You're literally just saying I don't want them to have it.
I get it.
I don't either.
I'm wondering what the negative thing from them having it is.
What do you guys think it is?
phil labonte
So I don't know that there is the ability now to monitor...
Through facial recognition or anything like that, but you do currently have the option of not having electronics on you and going places and doing things and being private, right?
So you leave your phone.
Now, granted, most people don't make this decision.
Most people opt to have the phone because the phone and technology...
tim pool
If you go to a place that maybe you're going to an adult bookstore, you don't want some NSA guy to know you're doing it.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
If that's an example, fine.
But the point that I'm...
tim pool
Like you're doing something embarrassing.
phil labonte
Whether it be embarrassing or you just don't want people to track you, right?
So, hypothetical, right?
You want to go and...
Well, actually, you can't...
I'm not really sure that there are a whole lot of things that you can do anymore where there isn't someone tracking you.
tim pool
I ask this because I've come across a lot of people who...
They'll say...
Hey, it's really bad.
Like, real ID is really bad.
And I'm like, I agree.
I can articulate, you know, my thoughts on real ID and mass surveillance and biometrics.
But I'm genuinely curious if people, like, what is the view the average person has on why they don't want their facial recognition or whatever in a government database?
Do you think the government will do something to you by being able to know who you are?
mary morgan
Well, it kind of just sounds like the retort of...
Like, if you have nothing to hide, you don't need to worry about these encroachments on your freedom, you know?
tim pool
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying...
mary morgan
It just kind of sounds like the argument.
Like, oh, what could go wrong?
Well, a lot of things could go wrong.
tim pool
I'm not saying that either.
I'm saying, what do you think?
What do you think the government will do to you when they have your information and data?
mary morgan
Probably use it for medical scientific experimentation.
Cloning, CRISPR technology.
tim pool
Absolutely. We know that, what was that experiment they did in San Fran where they sprayed the whole city with bacteria?
So if they're tracking your biometrics, if they scan everybody's eyes and load them into an AI, the AI could probably navigate cancer rates and a whole bunch of weird stuff and then use that to socially engineer.
The best argument I've ever heard against mass surveillance is that marijuana has become legal.
Right? Are you a fan of marijuana being legal, Mary?
No. You are on camera.
The camera we put in all of your homes has proven you've broken the law.
What ends up happening then is there is no flexibility in the law and in social order, meaning the only move you can make is towards more laws and more illegality until you can't do anything at all.
So there's a lot of things that—marijuana is probably an extreme example because a lot of people want it to be illegal.
But there's other examples.
Like, if we had mass surveillance, women would still be wearing, you know, fully flocked outfits with 17 layers.
Because the moment a woman dressed down and tried going outside, the camera catches you, and then the cops come and find you.
So think about mass surveillance in, like, Iran.
If a woman tries taking off hijab, they're going to know instantly, and they're going to swarm her, and they're going to arrest her before it can change.
So typically, mass surveillance is because you need flexibility.
There are some things that people will do that is against the law, but they tolerate.
And then with that tolerance, our society can adapt and change.
But, again...
mary morgan
Maybe if it were used to stop people from smoking weed, then I'd just be all for it.
tim pool
Yeah, well, there you go.
Because the argument is this.
If we have mass surveillance and biometrics, we can get rid of all the illegal immigrants.
george papadopoulos
But then it goes towards that whole social credit score stuff that's going on in China, which I think that's really what people are afraid of.
tim pool
You're going to go to a grocery store.
It's going to scan your eye and then say you're banned, whereas you could just pay cash and buy whatever you want.
mary morgan
It most definitely wouldn't.
That technology would not be used to enforce the law against illegal immigrants.
That just wouldn't happen.
There's no will to use it for that purpose.
Therefore, it's not going to happen.
tim pool
Well, Trump wins.
mary morgan
It's going to be used to oppress the people who were born here for sure and not to remove people who came in here illegally.
tim pool
I do agree for the most part, but I do feel like this is the cynical American youth view.
Oh, yes.
Because the government has been against us for so long in our lives.
They have given us nothing.
They have lied to us.
They have spit on us.
They have started wars.
The assumption of the younger generations is it's an evil machine that can only do wrong.
But then you get Cash and Dan and the FBI.
And I'm like, this is different.
The issue largely is, libertarians, civil libertarians will say, don't empower the government because then the bad guys come in and they'll use those powers against you.
And the good guys tend not to.
However, I don't have a big problem with people I know and trust wielding power.
If there's a very good person you know, and they wield tremendous power, but you know they only act with honor and integrity, then we're not really concerned.
The concern is when corrupt people come into office.
And so what I think we have right now is the reason why we are cynical on all of these issues of data collection is because government is corrupt.
Just is.
Like the scenario where Cash and Dan become like the permanent FBI is zero.
It's just zero.
So for now, it may feel good.
And this is the opportunity for the government to expand because...
You know, people in our position are going to say, I want the DHS to go after these illegal immigrants, so you know what?
If it gets rid of 20 million illegal immigrants, I'm okay with the biometrics and all this stuff.
The problem is, just because, I don't know, like, Kristi Noem might be a good person doesn't mean the next person coming in is going to be good.
george papadopoulos
It's the same thing with FISA, right?
They used the FISA warrants and the FISA surveillance to go after terrorists after 9-11.
Then it was weaponized against the Trump campaign, which I was part of.
I was spied on via FISA, which is designated for terrorists in these kind of insane operations and the president himself.
So like you said, if it's in the hands of the good people, it won't be weaponized.
If it's in the hands of the bad people, it will be weaponized.
So we can't really take that chance, and I think that's what you're trying to say.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, look, that's exactly...
Just because we can't, the four of us sitting around the table can't think of a specific thing that would be used, our biometrics could be used to, you know, used and, you know, corruptly used against us doesn't mean that, you know, there aren't a thousand things that are possible that we can't come up with sitting right here on the spot,
you know?
tim pool
No, I just, the reason I ask is I'm wondering if you guys have really thought about it.
I've had a lot of conversations recently and I feel like most people haven't actually thought about it, but they do know that it's bad.
And it's a good thing because we want the popular viewpoint to be like we shouldn't tolerate these things.
I can think of a bunch of really bad things.
Namely, like we mentioned, you go to a grocery store and you're walking up and they've got all your information stored, social credit system, and you can't buy food anymore.
They ban you from food.
They ban you from Ubers.
Like, you know, it's fascinating.
Taxi cab.
Normally, what do you do?
You hold your hand up.
Cab pulls over.
You get in.
You say, here's where I'm going.
You hand him cash.
Clean. You know who you are.
We're good.
Mm-hmm.
Cabs are failing.
Laura Loomer was banned from Uber.
Yeah. What would happen if Uber dominated the taxi service and auto cars?
You go on the app, you're banned.
We know everything about you.
We know everything you've said.
We know where you are at all times.
And now we can excise you from society.
phil labonte
That's one of the most common arguments against a central bank digital currency is they can literally just turn your money off.
That's something that even though nowadays they can cancel your credit cards and shut all that stuff off, if you have cash, which some people still work with cash.
But you can still survive if you have cash.
You can get around.
You can buy things.
It's not common, but it's common enough where most businesses still have a cash register that has money for change in it.
But if you were to go with a central bank digital currency and get rid of cash totally, then you're at the mercy of the government entirely just to be able to survive.
tim pool
I don't think there's anything stopping it.
What? CBDC?
All of it.
All of it.
I don't think most people realize, I think probably most people who watch this show have a general understanding, but most people in the world do not understand what AI is going to do to humanity.
phil labonte
No, I agree.
tim pool
The singularity as it's described, the point at which artificial intelligence surpasses human intelligence, it's an exponential growth curve where within a matter of days, the AI becomes something beyond our comprehension.
And we become ants to it, single-celled organisms relative to it.
It's going to be able to predict the future, map the past perfectly.
So I was at a museum.
That museum was a rock store, but they had fossils and stuff.
And there was a rock, a cube, that was cut specifically showing the layers of sediment.
A sufficient AI will be able to tell you exactly where that rock was cut from, where it came from.
And map out the history because it's all like, it's like a game of Sudoku, where when you get far enough in it, you can just start filling in the numbers.
That's what AI does.
The faster it develops, the faster it'll just start filling in all the numbers and solve all of these technological hurdles and erase everything we think we know in society.
It's going to be nightmarish.
Do you guys know that China already has what they're calling dark factories?
There's no lights.
There's no light.
You walk inside, it's pitch black, and the machines are all operating because the machines don't need visible spectrum wavelength.
They operate on, like, sonar or just general math.
They're just programmed to move this many degrees, and they're manufacturing things in pitch black.
george papadopoulos
And it's not just factory jobs either.
The AI is taking over even professional jobs, white-collar jobs.
You know, how many of these jobs are going to be redundant now, from paralegals to potentially even doctors?
phil labonte
Yeah, they're AI algorithms that run the entire stock market now and make trades on the millisecond.
tim pool
They already have robots that do microsurgery.
AI. Human goes in the machine.
The machine just...
The craziest thing.
I mean, some of this is cool, I gotta say.
That with sufficient AI technology, they can take your blood and then basically almost show you your lifespan.
It'll tell you if you're...
In seven years, three months, four days, you will develop lymphoma in this part of your body based on the current makeup of your blood.
It can craft bespoke medication.
A machine will combine various chemicals, create pills, spit them out and say, this is specifically for you, and if you take these, you will de-age.
It will cure your aging.
Just ridiculous, insane things.
mary morgan
How's Big Pharma going to profit off of that?
tim pool
Well, I suppose the bigger question is, it's a good question, but that question...
phil labonte
You'll have to keep taking it.
tim pool
No, no, no.
No one will profit off of anything.
Profit won't exist.
This is the collapse of humanity.
The system breaks down immediately.
Most people are going to plug their brains into weird mishmash matrix nonsense.
I have no idea how to predict an economic system.
With ChatGPT, we're already eliminating tens of thousands of jobs every day.
With Suno, the AI music, we are eliminating tens of thousands of jobs every single day.
mary morgan
That just means there's going to be a premium put on human-made and live entertainment.
phil labonte
I'm not so sure about that.
tim pool
Because the AI will be better than human.
So they've done this already for about 20 years with music.
And Phil, I'm wondering if you've ever experienced this, where they've actually been able to map out the algorithm of music.
This is not AI doing this.
20 years ago, 15 years ago.
Human sound engineers were just taking all of the top 40s from the past 80 years or whatever, and then they put them in computers and then tracked the pitch changes, the tempos, and were able to produce a formula for a hit.
What do humans like in music and why?
phil labonte
Most songs have the same intervals.
They're like one, three, five chords.
And it doesn't matter what key it's in.
It's your root, your third, your fifth, and...
That's a chord progression.
And that's why you hear people that have the...
There's that comedy troupe that do the four chord song.
They're not actually...
I don't know for sure that all the songs are actually in the same key.
tim pool
They're not.
phil labonte
But the intervals are the same.
And so they can play the same chords and sing a thousand different songs over the same chord progression.
mary morgan
I think you're saying that it's better in meaning that it's optimized.
And what I mean that...
By, like, a premium put on live entertainment and human-made entertainment.
I mean it in the same way as, like, fashion or Michelin star restaurants.
tim pool
Did you know that, Katie?
I may be wrong about this, but I heard Katy Perry can't sell her latest store.
It's flopping.
phil labonte
I don't know.
mary morgan
Well, it's probably because ticket prices have inflated by a lot.
phil labonte
There's a lot of inflation.
mary morgan
So there's that.
I'm sure you know more about that type of thing than I do.
phil labonte
There is inflation.
tim pool
There's two things that are happening, particularly in media.
mary morgan
And scalpers and all that.
tim pool
The cost of producing a show like this is going down, but the viewership for most media is going down as well.
It's decentralizing.
So we're falling down into a space where most shows are going to be dude in room with friend.
And it's going to be kind of a hobby.
With AI, we're what, a year away?
From being able to type in, maybe two years, but I think probably a year, typing into an AI generator, make me an episode of Timcast IRL based on the latest news, and make the guest Donald Trump.
And it will run to the whole thing.
george papadopoulos
Like a hologram kind of situation?
tim pool
No, no, just like a video.
I'll make a video online.
mary morgan
And you don't think some people will at least have the perception that there's more value in watching a real conversation?
tim pool
Sure they will.
The only problem is...
mary morgan
They'll pay for it?
tim pool
No, they won't.
First of all, there's going to be – there's already individuals that are making AI content that people don't know is AI content.
It's all over X. But, no, what I'm telling you is I've met with people who have explicitly stated I am – I have spoken my voice into an AI and scanned my body 3D.
Tell us who it is.
I can't.
mary morgan
I want to know.
I'm dying to know who's doing it.
tim pool
It's prominent wealthy individuals in media.
Wow. I don't know if they've released the content yet, but they've explicitly stated to me...
mary morgan
Is it like the testing stages?
tim pool
They're building...
So the technology already exists.
All they have to do is...
I gotta be honest, this was like a year ago they were telling me this.
Configure the system to represent them.
So literally they were...
They've taken my voice.
It's a guy.
Give him words to say.
He reads a couple paragraphs.
I think it might be a few pages because there's things like intonation that a person might say in different ways.
And then you stand in a room and they have cameras in every area and you stand still and it takes a picture of every direction.
And then once they have that, they can literally just put it into the AI.
They can load a news story and then set a time limit.
Ten minute video.
Enter. And it will render a video where the dude's going, the story right now coming from the New York Times is that, and you can't tell.
It's, it's, it's, we, we, like, Pete, I don't think people get it.
I keep hearing from people that are like, yeah, but people are going to want human made stuff.
I'm like, you are not going to know the difference.
And when you put up this production.
This studio, which this place costs millions of dollars to operate with all the staff and the electricity, the contractors, the camera equipment, the internet.
The internet's super expensive, like uploading to millions of people.
When you combine all those costs and then tell me I have to compete with some middle-aged guy who opened up a computer app and pressed news podcast enter and then upload it to YouTube?
mary morgan
Impossible. Well, at the very least, that means they would still be a premium on live flesh and blood entertainment.
Perhaps. Which can't be.
tim pool
But Gen Z doesn't go outside anymore and they don't go anywhere anymore.
It's true.
mary morgan
That's a separate issue.
tim pool
But if they don't go anywhere and do anything, and if they're broke and they can't afford to live, they're not going to spend money on anything.
george papadopoulos
And tickets cost money.
Those live performances are going to run you about $50 to $100.
A lot of people don't have that.
Especially, you know, younger people don't want to spend that kind of money.
mary morgan
Live events will be reserved for the ultra-wealthy elite?
tim pool
I don't think there will be live performances.
mary morgan
But I don't think the hunger for that is something that can be excised from the human person.
I just don't believe that's possible.
tim pool
We had newspapers.
And everybody would go to the store in the morning and they'd grab their coffee and grab a newspaper, put it under their arm, sit on the bus or the train, and then read the newspaper on their way to work.
That's how they got their news.
Then TV came around.
Or radio, I should say.
Then TV.
Then people were turning the TV on at work or turning it on at home and they'd get their news.
Then they'd go to work.
They didn't really know things except at key intervals.
We got the internet.
And I remember in the early 2000s, the internet was when I was at home.
That was it.
So I'd go out, I'd go skate, I'd go to work, then I'd get home and I'd go on the internet for about an hour and learn about stuff, but then I'd disconnect.
This was mid-2000s.
Then we got the iPhone.
And with capacitive touch, instantly, overnight, within like a year, the internet was ubiquitous.
Everything changed.
Media consumption just changed dramatically overnight.
When AI rolls out the ability to make...
Look, we've already covered this the other day with these YouTube videos that are AI-generated creepo slop.
Two years ago, three years ago, you try to make an AI video of Nancy Pelosi.
That's the example I give because it's on my Instagram, and she looks like a Picasso.
Today, you make an AI photo of Nancy Pelosi, and it looks like a real photo.
It's indistinguishable.
Now we're moving on to video, which is getting to that point.
It's not yet there.
A year from now, short videos will be indistinguishable.
And a year from then, long form videos will be indistinguishable.
And then a year probably from then, full movies, even AI rendering video games themselves.
We're already at the phase where Grok, this was a viral video, someone went to Grok and they said, make me a game of program Snake.
And it wrote the code out for Snake and then someone was like, here's the code and they executed and they played Snake.
That's level one, that's Model T. In a couple years, they're going to say, give me GTA 12. Or make me a Grand Theft Auto game that takes place in Japan.
And it will just, it'll make the game for you.
It's easy to say, no, people want that live performance.
And that's exactly what Homeboy said in the 90s.
I can't remember who it was.
They said, the internet will be a blip.
phil labonte
Oh, God.
tim pool
Yeah, do you remember who that was?
A famous quote.
phil labonte
Well, there was the Nobel Prize winner that said the internet was going to be, would go the way of the fax machine, I think is what he said.
tim pool
It wasn't Schiff.
Robert Metcalf?
Yes, Robert Metcalf, the inventor of Ethernet, said the Internet will soon go spectacularly supernova and 1996 catastrophically collapse.
Of course, he was wrong.
phil labonte
It didn't work out.
george papadopoulos
What did Al Gore have to say about this, the so-called inventor of the...
tim pool
Indeed. I'm just saying, I think if you went back to when the Internet was emergent and then told CNN...
The internet will take over your industry and you'll be jobless?
They go, oh please.
Is everyone going to buy a computer for their house?
Like barely anybody owns a computer.
Why would they want to buy it anyway?
It's a professional machine.
No, people want to eat dinner with their families, turn the TV on in the background and hear the news and that's us.
george papadopoulos
And that was just 20 years ago.
tim pool
Yep. And then the funny thing is Steve Jobs, when asked about the iPhone, It was a new product, and I believe his quote was, how can people know that they want it if they've never seen it?
So the idea was, people were saying, why make a phone like this?
Nobody's trying to buy one.
Nobody wants one.
He says, if I make it, they'll buy it.
How can they know that they want it if they can't even see it?
And then they made the iPhone, and the rest is history.
george papadopoulos
Ford said the same thing with the Model T. When people were in buggies and horses, it was like, I will create the market and you will buy it.
They didn't need it.
tim pool
I think I hear this over and over and over again from people when they're like, nah, human music is always going to be better.
Wrong. It's just not true.
It's already largely algorithmically driven, and people just don't seem to realize this, that when you go to like a pop producer...
They're not sitting there and just thinking like, I got an idea for a melody.
They're going like, what's the tried and true interval and method like Phil was describing with the four chords song?
All these songs use similar time signatures, stamps, and chord progressions with various vocal melodies.
And there was a really great video that talked about the Oh Wee Oh.
I don't know if you saw this one, Phil.
And I say this because it's your industry, but someone made a compilation of all of the millennial folk dirtbag songs where everyone go, Oh Wee Oh.
Yeah. In every song.
Yeah. Because they were like, we have tracked this algorithmically and we know these songs are hitting right now with this generation.
Make 70 of these songs.
phil labonte
Every single All That Remains hit song, right?
All the songs that we have, except for one.
All the hit songs that we have, all the songs that have gold or platinum records, they all have the same chord progression.
Even though they're tuned differently, they have the same interval progression in the chorus.
mary morgan
I think they're kind of equivocating between calling something better.
And something that's optimized.
Better is, in my mind, better means something a little deeper than just what will be purchased.
phil labonte
Better is too subjective to be useful in this.
tim pool
Some people like to go antiquing.
It can be fun.
But it's not practical.
And it's not a practical industry.
So when, you know, I would say now, most bands...
They're probably, I don't know, not most bands, but I would say most working bands are probably making a middle-class living of that.
Would you think, Phil?
phil labonte
Pardon me?
tim pool
Most signed, successful bands, they're probably making a middle-class living.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, if you're a successful band nowadays, it's really like the...
Streaming has hollowed out the music industry.
Either you're struggling or you're huge.
There's not a lot of middle ground anymore.
tim pool
Now, how do you, Phil, compete with someone who can AI generate 7,000 songs in one week?
mary morgan
What's your plan?
phil labonte
It boils down to touring.
george papadopoulos
In person, like we were talking about.
phil labonte
And performance live.
mary morgan
So your career is doomed.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, when All That Remains got started, it was always about touring and always about live performance.
It was never really...
So the record that put us on the map called The Fall of Ideals came out in 2006.
That is the exact same year that Spotify was created.
So we literally were watching the last helicopter leave Saigon.
tim pool
And I want to stress this too.
Phil's career is not doomed.
Phil had his career at the peak of, like, when he was able to do all of these things.
And what's happening now is the younger generation won't have that opportunity.
phil labonte
Yeah, there's no...
It's so hard to break in nowadays.
The only band that I can think of that has done anything remotely fresh or new lately is Sleep Token.
tim pool
Let me do this.
I do want to get back to the news, but I want to read one super chat because the Sig P said, Tim, I disagree.
As someone who has worked as a touring engineer for 20 years...
Good luck matching the energy of a crowd that's louder than my PA.
Back me up, Phil.
Here's what I'm going to say.
I've already been to house shows, and I'm sure most of you have.
I've already seen DJs who are literally not DJing anymore.
To them, DJ means I have a playlist of MP3s, and then I just switch between them.
They're pre-made songs.
I have seen people do shows to a thousand people where they're pretending to press buttons.
Why actually do the work?
The song's pre-programmed.
And I will also add one last thought to that.
No one, no one is selling stadiums and live shows the way they used to 20, 30 years ago.
Metallica to what, like a million people?
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, there's, so you've got a handful of bands that can play arenas nowadays, like Metallica obviously can play stadiums.
And then...
Any other bands that are...
Rock bands that are playing stadiums, if they're still playing stadiums, there are bands like ACDC.
I think they might do that.
But most of them will be playing Civic Centers or smaller.
And there are only...
I mean, like, Falling in Reverse, Sleep Token.
I can't think of any other bands off the top of my head that are playing...
tim pool
Even Taylor Swift struggles to reach the level of Metallica.
Like, Taylor Swift's biggest shows were Metallica's average shows.
And then Metallica had several shows with hundreds of thousands to a million people, whatever, that famous, what was it, in Germany or whatever?
phil labonte
Metallica's million, that was in Russia.
tim pool
That stuff just doesn't happen anymore.
So, not that it'll be overnight, but once the AI singularity occurs, it is, I'm going to say it again, nobody, not even the people building it.
And they've all stated this.
Nobody has any idea what happens.
We're talking about a computer that will be able to invent things by request.
We're talking about someone pulling up GPT-12 and saying, design me a jetpack and then make it.
And then the robots and the fabricators will start pulling things together and it'll make a functional jetpack.
And it'll just invent it for you.
You'll say, we want a cold fusion generator.
And it'll say, here's the schematics for a cold fusion generator.
And they'll say, okay, build it for me.
And then it'll do it.
We're, like, well beyond all that stuff.
We're talking about telling the computer, create a chip that can read right into a human brain.
And it will just go, okay.
Anyway, let's move on to the actual news.
We've got a couple stories, and we'll start with this one from Human Events.
Moscow bombs Kiev, killing at least nine, injuring dozens as peace talks hit the rocks.
Now, why did they hit the rocks?
Here's a tweet from Marco Rubio.
Politico wrote, So what do you think happens if you're Zelensky?
And you see a report in one of the preeminent political newspapers in the United States saying that behind your back, the U.S. State Department has cut a deal with Russia, or wants to.
Zelensky says, no deal.
And then what happens?
Russia bombs their capital.
phil labonte
Yeah, but I mean...
tim pool
The media is making the war worse.
That's the point.
phil labonte
I mean, I think you're probably right.
But Russia hasn't made any...
They've done nothing to signal that they're going to go to the...
To actually...
Begin negotiations.
The negotiations that Rubio's had with Russia have been largely fruitless, and Russia's in a position now where there's not a lot of reason for them to.
It seems like they want to wait out the U.S., because the U.S. has said, if we can't get a deal, then we're going to have to step away from the table.
Without any kind of...
Signaling that they're going to send more money to Ukraine to support Ukraine.
So Russia's like, whoa, just wait him out.
tim pool
So Zelensky is pro-Russia?
phil labonte
Zelensky? No.
unidentified
Well, by not doing the deal with the U.S. No, no, I'm saying Putin isn't doing the deal.
tim pool
Right. By Zelensky not doing the deal because he backed off from the peace agreement.
This then, the U.S. is going to pull out of the war.
And then Russia gets to walk on in.
george papadopoulos
Well, I guess the logic is that the more money and the arms that were sent over the Ukraine, the more territory and men and women and civilians and soldiers that Ukraine ended up losing.
And this has been an intractable war now going on three years.
I think President Trump is looking at like a different perspective of how to end this thing.
And Zelensky wants to not come to the peace.
phil labonte
Yeah, Zelensky keeps talking about things like taking back Crimea, which is not even on the table.
It's a ridiculous idea to think that that's going to happen.
Russia's totally entrenched in Crimea.
Basically, they've got all Russian-speaking people in that area now.
That's not going back to Ukraine.
So to even mention that, like the Trump administration is totally right, to mention that stuff is detrimental to the idea of any kind of negotiations.
But unless they all actually get to the table, what are you going to do?
tim pool
So what do you think, considering the instability and turmoil in the United States politically?
Russia's got no incentive to negotiate because the deep state will block Trump?
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know that the deep state will block Trump, but Russia doesn't have any incentive to negotiate because they're winning the war.
There's the argument that Ukraine is holding their own.
I don't buy it for a second.
Russia's beaten the absolute hell out of them.
tim pool
This is the concern that I had before the election, that it had gotten to a point where Trump couldn't stop it.
A couple years ago, my opinion was, if Trump was in office right now, the war would end.
If Trump had stayed in office, there'd be no war.
But at this point, I think they'll make a good point.
Russia's attitude may be, Trump doesn't want the war.
His base doesn't want the war.
And so he cannot advance.
I can do whatever I want now.
The war has gotten so entrenched.
I feel like the strike on Kiev was Russia saying, we haven't even begun.
I mean, let's be real.
Russia's got nukes.
They've got nuclear artillery.
That's low-yield weapons that can be fired from, say, like a howitzer, and they haven't used any of it.
If Russia wanted to crush Ukraine, they would.
So this is the problem now with Trump demanding peace.
Ukraine, I guess, just pattering and not getting, not, not, I mean, Zelensky leaves.
He gets in that fight with Trump and then the deal's frozen or whatever.
Now he's backing away.
And Russia's attitude is probably, this is perfect.
george papadopoulos
Look, I think what's going on here, I think President Trump's looking at the big picture here.
I think he views China as the biggest threat to America, both financially, economically, militarily.
He sees Russia as a massive player in that relationship between Russia and China.
I think he wants to separate them militarily and economically.
This whole story about the U.S. lifting sanctions on Russian energy, my background's in energy.
Trump is pro-U.S.
shale, pro-exporting that LNG to the European market.
There's no way that Trump is going to lift sanctions while he's trying to pump U.S. energy to the European market.
So that's then, of course, you have the Iranian issue where Russia is massively implicated in the Iran nuclear agreement.
They're protecting Iran.
They have massive economic agreements with them, military agreements.
So Russia is a major player that Trump in many ways has to deal with to solve those outstanding issues that affect America much more so than a territorial dispute between East and West Ukraine.
phil labonte
As much as people will talk about Ukraine as being some kind of vital country for the U.S., and if we don't stop...
I think that's all posturing.
I think that, you know, Russia and Ukraine have a long history.
It's not good for Europe, for Ukraine to be, you know, a part of Russia, but I do think that it stopped because really the catalyst was the idea of...
Ukraine joining NATO.
That's what started this whole thing.
The signaling from the Obama administration that they would allow it.
There are obviously strategic things when it comes to the Black Sea and Crimea and the ports, but really Russia wants to make sure that Ukraine doesn't join NATO.
And I think that otherwise, I don't think that Russia has any kind of designs for the rest of Europe because they're all NATO countries currently.
So I think that's all just posturing.
tim pool
So where do we end up?
I mean, what's Trump's priority got to be then?
phil labonte
Trump's priority honestly has to be China.
China's the biggest problem.
Right now, there's no technology race with Russia, right?
In the future, in the next five years, AI and power generation are the two biggest issues that the United States has to win on.
The U.S. has to beat China when it comes to AI.
China doesn't have...
Any compunction with using the CRISPR technology on their own soldiers, they're looking to create genetically modified bionic soldiers, and that's not like some kind of...
At one point it was science fiction, but nowadays it's not science fiction anymore?
tim pool
We do have an update.
It's actually not 9, that's 12, and Reuters is saying that Zelensky claimed it was a North Korean strike, missile.
It was a Russian strike, but it was a North Korean missile.
Yeah, what I will add to the China thing is we've known now for like a decade that China has been genetically engineering super soldiers.
mary morgan
What exactly does that mean?
tim pool
It means that they take the embryos and they genetically, they edit the genes to guarantee specific outcomes like more bone density, more muscle mass, taller, stronger, smarter, etc.
george papadopoulos
It's like Universal Soldier with Jean-Claude Van Damme.
unidentified
Absolutely. Captain China.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, think about this, right?
So one of the biggest problems that paratroopers in the United States have faced is they end up messing up their knees.
Like, when they...
Not when you're...
Not the guys that are, like, the cool guys jumping out of the plane where they can...
Coast themselves down.
But regular airborne, they jump out and they're static lines.
So they jump out and it automatically opens.
They don't have a whole lot of control over it and they can't slow down when they land.
So after five years or ten years, everybody that's airborne that jumps a lot has bad knees.
Well, if you can increase the bone density and make the cartilage in between in your knees, if you can make it springier, then you can make sure you'll have fewer dudes that land and get injured.
tim pool
I don't know.
Certainly they can make the legs stronger and stuff, but genetic engineering for something like that problem is a bit specific.
You're better off engineering that problem away.
What they're going to do is just make six foot five Ultra-ripped dudes who never have to work out.
phil labonte
Five Chinese, that's hilarious.
tim pool
Yep. I gotta be honest, probably not six feet.
I imagine it might be five, eight, five, nine.
You don't want to be too tall, actually.
Unless, actually, they just genetically engineer it to work better.
Shorter people live longer.
So, if they're trying to create super soldiers, they're gonna want, like, an average height for lifespan.
And they're gonna want to just...
They're gonna be able to do whatever they want.
phil labonte
But the point is, this is the future, right?
So there's going to be significant competition between the U.S. and China about AI, about these types of technologies.
Russia is not a leader on these technologies.
Russia copies.
I mean, China does a lot of copying, too, to be honest with you.
But they do have innovation, too.
There's a lot of Chinese, and a lot of them are brilliant.
And they have no problem with sending students over to steal intellectual property.
You'll have Chinese students come over, they'll go to college, they'll go to MIT, they go to STEM fields, they learn as much as they can, and then back to China with that information.
And this is the future.
As much as Russia is a serious...
The war in Russia and Crimea and Ukraine can be a problem for...
The U.S. and for our foreign policy, it is not even in the same realm as China is.
Donald Trump as a China hawk, that's the most forward-thinking Donald Trump has been, is in the way that he sees China.
Not just economically, but as a military threat as well.
george papadopoulos
Yeah, but look what sanctions really accomplished with Russia, right?
They only basically drove these countries to create bricks, right?
To destroy the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency.
It weakened Russia to the extent that China took advantage of them because they had no other alternative market to sell their...
Energy, too.
Their weapons, too.
India stopped buying them, or India still buys them, but they went all to China.
So that's really what happened here.
China took full advantage of it.
China's stronger than ever.
And I think Donald Trump understands that, and that's why this tariff war is ongoing, and we're almost at a standstill because of China's strength at this point.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story following the Russia stuff.
It looks like, I don't know, people are saying World War III again.
I mean, I've heard the phrase World War III probably enough at this point, but India and Pakistan are fighting now.
India says they'll pursue the Kashmir attackers to the ends of the earth.
And a bunch of measures have just been enacted.
They say police in the Indian-administered Kashmir claim to have identified three suspects, two of whom are Pakistani, in the Pahlgram attack.
Killed 26 people.
India's PM Modi vowed to hunt the Pahlgram gunmen to the ends of the earth.
They've taken diplomatic measures against India, Pakistan has, closing of airspace, land on the border, and says any attempt to divert the waters of the Indus River will be an act of war.
And it is being suggested that war may break out at any moment between India and Pakistan, which is already bad.
But then you add all of the other war fronts, and sooner or later, China's going to say, break the dam and take Taiwan.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, look...
Just so that way everyone's on the same page, you know, both Pakistan and India have nuclear weapons, and they hate each other, like with a burning fury.
There's religious disputes there, and they're essentially the same, you know, they come from the same background except for the religion.
But yeah, they've both got nuclear weapons.
tim pool
Pakistan's got 170.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, enough to...
You know, spark something off.
And I don't know what the United States posture is.
tim pool
India has 180.
phil labonte
I know the United States looks at India as an ally.
I think we look at Pakistan as at least friendly to us.
We did have pretty good relations with Pakistan during the war on terror, if I understand correctly.
I don't know if the U.S. picks a side.
I don't know if the U.S. gets involved.
It's likely that because of the posture between India and China, China sides with Pakistan as opposed to India.
Historically, the U.S. has been fairly friendly with India because of India's history as a British colony.
So I don't know what it turns into.
It's definitely a tinderbox that could leak over.
I mean, everyone knows, not everyone knows, but most people are familiar with how World War I started, and nobody thought that one man being assassinated would set the whole world into global war.
george papadopoulos
I mean, really, it stopped for 20 or 30 years, but World War II was literally an extension of World War I. Yeah, you know, this thing is really interesting because we're talking about China and the tariffs and Russia and all these things.
So what the U.S. right now is actually trying to do is to decouple So I'm not surprised to see that Pakistan or some terrorist groups in
Pakistan are supported by countries like China.
Turkey, which has a lot to lose by this alternative corridor, are supporting this kind of stuff.
So I think these kind of conflicts are going to heat up, and I think a lot of it is being driven by economics, trade, and other issues, more so than just these random attacks.
There's nothing ever random at this level.
phil labonte
Wouldn't you say that that kind of incentivizes China to help Pakistan further, or that's more incentive for China to help Pakistan?
george papadopoulos
Yeah, so what's going on is China has this thing called the One Belt, One Road.
And Turkey is supposed to be the transit route into Europe from the goods going from China.
So Pakistan, being an ally of China, I think is completely in line with what you just said, that China would continue to support Pakistan, to destabilize India, to prevent India from surpassing or replacing China as this new hub that the United States wants.
phil labonte
Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's a whole lot of bad news.
tim pool
But do you think it's going to, like, Do you think we're at risk of all these different regions destabilizing?
george papadopoulos
Yeah, look, I think the world is being split off in the spheres of influence right now, and I think President Trump understands it.
I think Vladimir Putin understands it.
I think the president of China understands it, too.
That's what I think that mineral deal with Ukraine was all about.
It was about basically de facto dividing east-west Ukraine.
The United States and Europe take over the west.
Russia has some sort of influence in the east.
Then you have this issue going on now that I just explained with Pakistan and India.
It's splintering.
And the United States, rightfully, is focusing on its own backyard.
That's why Secretary of State Rubio, his first foreign policy trip, wasn't to the Middle East.
It wasn't to Asia.
It was to Latin America.
That's what Greenland's all about.
That's what the Trump doctrine's all about.
And that's what these investments in Latin America are really all about.
That's how I see things going on in the world right now.
tim pool
Yeah. I don't know how much more of the World War III I can take.
I've certainly had my share of videos where it's like...
You know, Russian guy says World War III has come and the Russia-Ukraine thing is World War III.
You've got China ready to take Taiwan.
And then you've got here at home, what do we really care about?
I don't want to be involved in foreign conflict.
You know, I did an interview with Seb Gorka that we put up today.
And I told him, I was like, you know, he talks big game on bombing the terrorists, the Houthis, you know, ISIS and Somali and stuff.
And I said, I don't want to be this.
I'm rather non-interventionist.
He made an interesting point.
We don't want regime change wars.
We don't want to go into countries and flip over their governments.
Trump's not about doing that.
But when you've got people firing rockets at trade ships and cargo ships in the Red Sea, American vessels even, well, we've got to stop them.
And so it's not an easy answer.
And I asked him about letters of market reprisal, and it's...
This is the modern version that you get, I suppose.
I don't know how the world works, and I'm not saying I can give you a good answer to everybody listening, but when you've got Houthi rebels bombing ships in the Red Sea, shutting down a massive portion of global trade, because you can't go through the Suez anymore, what do you do?
Do we just say, we don't want to be involved in a conflict with Yemen, so we just let the Red Sea get shut down?
Do we go to war?
george papadopoulos
Yeah, I think these surgical strikes are like...
They're being impactful and benefiting global trade, global commerce, and keeping these trade lanes open and the sea lanes open, because this is really what it's about.
It's about global commerce.
If these people, the hoodies, keep shooting down or attacking vessels, global commerce is going to stop.
Most of trade is done via sea, not by rail.
So it's very important to prevent that from happening.
But also, alternatively, we can't conduct regime change operations anymore.
We can't go back to the neocon George W. Bush days where you're overthrowing, you know, tin pot dictators or, you know, replacing them with other cronies and then just having destabilized countries.
And that creates a boomerang that we feel to this day.
So I think, you know, President Trump's absolutely right on this.
And that's probably why Hegseth, Secretary of Defense Hegseth, is facing some pressure
Yeah. Yeah.
tim pool
You know, are you familiar with the fourth turning?
Strawside generational theory?
Yes. So it's funny because you can keep going back and you have, if we start from the American Revolution, you have an internal conflict between the colonies and the crown, which is internal.
Then eight years later, I'm sorry, that was international.
That was, you know, foreign powers like France getting involved in the British War.
The Civil War was internal.
Then you have World War I and II, which is external.
And now there's a question of whether or not the fourth turning for us will be internal or external.
But I got to be honest, it kind of sounds like it's going to be both.
With the wars we're seeing overseas and the internal fighting between the cult deep state and Trump, it seems like it's going to be everything, everywhere, you know?
george papadopoulos
I think that's why we had to stop all these Soros-financed DAs in cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, that were really instigating this behavior of criminality, letting the criminals off, and the innocents holding the bag of those type of policies,
the war against the police, defunding the police movement.
All of these bizarre agendas that were propagated and pushed down the American people's throats, I think, created that division.
And then you have that in tandem with the open border.
And this ticking time bomb with millions of potential liabilities that are now in the country legally, that's a recipe for disaster.
tim pool
But I fear that the corruption may be too entrenched in the United States.
You know, we started off the show talking about this judge.
His wife is arrested.
Look, you know, I've brought it up time and time again.
We were talking to Ro Khanna.
And he was...
Was Ro Khanna born here or is he a naturalized citizen?
phil labonte
I think he was born here, but I'm not sure.
tim pool
But he said we should give all undocumented immigrants a path, and he's not wrong to think that.
The issue is, of course he does.
His parents are immigrants.
So in his moral worldview, everyone should be allowed to be an immigrant.
Not me.
I come from several generations of Americans who, my family was just telling me, fought in the Revolution.
We're in the American Revolution War, Revolutionary War.
I actually think I may have had family on both sides of the Civil War, to be honest.
I have no idea.
But I think so.
For me, the legacy and history of this nation matters substantially more than it does to an immigrant.
They came here and their history as their home country split with some of America.
Mine's just America.
To be fair, I have a Korean grandmother, but I don't really know much about that at all other than my family was largely just American tradition.
So when I look at what's going on with immigration, we've got to such a degree of the children of recent immigrants.
I got no problem with immigration over a long period of time.
The problem is too much all at once leads to a large portion of your country creating its own culture, its own separate worldview, and then conflict breaks out.
And I feel like that's where we're heading.
Not to be black-billed.
I mean, I can be white-billed and say that young men are more conservative and more likely to be Christian.
Maybe there's a shift back in the right direction, but I wonder if everything we're seeing is going to result in an internal conflict of some sort because we can't break the entrenchment, at least not in four years.
phil labonte
Is it your sense or anyone's sense that if there is some kind of international issue with some kind of war or whatever like that, do you think that that would solidify people in America?
Do you think that it would drive people apart?
tim pool
No way.
It's going to drive everybody apart.
I mean, like...
War happens in Ukraine and the country splits on it.
There are a lot of people who thought COVID was going to unify the country.
No, it split the country in half.
Everything is falling down these lines.
And, you know, I got to be honest.
Is it just that Democrats are just evil?
They're just, this is it?
Because, like, you bring up an issue and it's like, here's an MS-13 gang member who beats his wife.
And they're like, we're for it.
And I'm just like, oh.
Okay. That's a weird thing to be in favor of.
george papadopoulos
I think that's what you were saying, though, about American identity vis-a-vis new immigrants and people holding on to the old country.
And I think that what the Democrats are pushing is identity politics to the extent where they want people to always feel like there's one foot in the United States, one foot in some external conflict, whether it's in Latin America or in the Middle East.
And that's why so many of the Democrats are so invested in all these conflicts and they're always on the wrong side.
They're always supporting Hamas, for example.
They're always supporting anti-American policies, anti-Native American policies.
I think that's something that Trump is completely against.
And when he says he wants to unify...
Well, I think AI is going to wipe out the planet, and I think China is going to win.
tim pool
Okay, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but AI is stealing all of our IP to program their AI, and in the United States, you can't do that.
phil labonte
If the U.S. doesn't, if the actual federal, and I hate to admit this, but if the federal government doesn't do something about, first of all, Look,
know, high-tech advanced chips here, we're going to lose.
tim pool
Look,
when I was discussing the singularity, the ability of an AI to invent things for you, the reason people are freaking out is because China may get there first.
Because they just steal our tech.
In the West, we're constrained by IP law, and IP law is a good thing.
But China is, the Chinese Communist Party is evil, and they're not constrained by any of this.
If they can get to the point where they reach artificial superintelligence first, and then, say, generate schematics for cold fusion or other weapons technology, they're going to advance so rapidly we'll be left in the dust.
phil labonte
If you're not cheating, you're not serious about winning.
And China is very serious about winning.
And they will steal as much as they can.
They have every intention of beating the United States.
And as long as the United States has the policies and the posture towards China that we do, they're going to win.
They're going to eat our lunch.
george papadopoulos
Because the U.S. is playing by the rules and China's breaking them.
Absolutely. From the World Trade Organization to the post-World War II economic, financial, military architecture that we propped up, that's all dissolving in front of our eyes.
Absolutely. So that's something that I think we need to rewrite.
phil labonte
And also, to your point, the United States has been...
We talked about this before.
Tim talked about it a lot.
The idea of China is rising and the U.S. is kind of a crescendo on the way down and what the policy of the U.S. has been or has seemed to be when it was Obama and Biden was to prevent the U.S. and China getting into a conflict.
tim pool
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Yeah, it was a big Catholic creator collab between myself and Matt Fratt, and thank you for the recognition.
We decided that we were going to be changing PCC from pop culture corporations
Yeah, well, Brett is Catholic.
Is he really?
mary morgan
He was raised Catholic.
tim pool
Ah, he's lapsed, right?
mary morgan
I just consider him Catholic.
You're just Catholic.
phil labonte
Mary considers me Catholic, though.
unidentified
Do you really?
Yeah. If you're baptized Catholic, you're Catholic.
tim pool
Well, we just talked to someone that's not true.
You're baptized Christian, but you have to be confirmed Catholic, right?
mary morgan
Right. I actually did get confirmed later than most.
I got confirmed three years ago, but I guess that means I get my gold star of approval.
phil labonte
I'm still not allowed to have an opinion on the Pope, though, huh?
mary morgan
No. Yeah, because if you don't submit to his authority, then who are you to talk?
phil labonte
I guess.
mary morgan
That's my take.
tim pool
Corporal Fett says, the people irate about Tim explaining how Carmelo will be defended is infuriating.
Tim never said that he was innocent, just that he would be defended and that there wasn't yet enough evidence.
Yeah, the issue I believe largely comes from people on X are spreading a false narrative about what the story was.
And saying things like, Carmelo didn't know anybody there and he was trespassing.
It's like he wasn't trespassing and he did know.
The police report literally says he was friends with the witness who ID'd him.
And I actually didn't know this either, that Austin Metcalf was 6'225".
And so I asked Andrew Branca, a self-defense lawyer, will that play a role?
Of course it will.
So we don't know how it's going to play out.
I do think there's probably video evidence that the police saw and this one's going to be...
You can't stab a guy even if you think he's bigger than you.
It doesn't matter.
It's a high school, right?
There's another story that's going viral now of another dude getting stabbed and being put in critical condition.
This one's not going as viral, though, because the dude who got stabbed was ground and pounding the dude.
And then someone tried to pull him off him.
The dude started attacking the other guy, and then the dude who was on the ground got up, got in the fight, and then stabbed him.
So that was actually in Alexandria, I think, in Fairfax County, which is not too far from here.
Let's go.
Barry and McGrohan says, Tim, has anybody checked Ian for a heartbeat today?
Ian, you know, it's not fair to say this because he's not here, but I'm going to say it anyway.
He doesn't understand that he doesn't have evidence for anything he's claiming.
And he believes that because he read a book that claims science is real, it is real, because they told him it was evidence.
And I'm just like, I don't know.
I think his mind could use him expanding.
And it's funny considering, you know, everyone assumes Ian's expanded a little too much, but nope.
Nope. You probably would have enjoyed that conversation with him.
mary morgan
What was it all?
tim pool
He arbitrarily brought up that Christians are dumb for believing the Bible, basically.
I'm being, he didn't say dumb, but he said, when I said the left blindly just believes whatever in the news, he says the right has that too, and it's the Bible.
A 2,000-year-old book that they're claiming without evidence.
And not that I'm a Christian or anything, but I was just like, there is a philosophy of knowledge that the only thing I know is that I know nothing.
We are choosing what to believe based on our perceptions and what we believe is likely correct.
So, you know, I asked Ian, how do you know that graphene is real?
You've never done the experiments.
You've never made graphene.
You never tested graphene.
You've never done anything.
You just read someone's article about graphene and believed it was true.
And he's like, no.
I have evidence.
And it's like, okay.
george papadopoulos
The definition of faith, right?
tim pool
Indeed. Indeed.
So there's obvious evidence.
Like, if I were to take this mallet and whip it as hard as I could at the window, the window would break.
To be fair, I don't know if it's rubber, but I assume it would break.
There's things we know that are simple.
But for the most part, when someone tells me, like, you know, electrons are real, I just believe you, I guess.
mary morgan
Yeah. Most people just don't know how much they operate on faith on a day-to-day basis.
And then use that as a way to intellectually grandstand over people who have faith.
And to be sure, like, there is a component of the leap of faith in religion.
But that's not to say there's no evidence.
There's plenty of evidence and he has not read it.
And I don't know if he's even willing to.
It's really about, like, do you have the willingness to engage with that material?
Like, do you have the willingness to read Aquinas' five proofs?
Do you have the willingness to read about historical evidence for the resurrection?
tim pool
Well, I would just say this for, you know, and Ian will have his chance, so I do feel it's unfair.
He's not here to defend himself, but...
For a guy who loves graphene, who's never actually done any of the scientific research to test and be in graphene, he has a lot of faith in graphene.
Like, dude, if you've never actually made a superconductor or a graphene lithium battery or gone to the labs and actually watched them manufacture it and then pull up the electron microscope to show you the one-dimensional lattice or whatever, you've never even done that.
mary morgan
Does he deify graphene in his worldview?
Would you say?
tim pool
Not literally, but yeah.
phil labonte
It's an idol.
mary morgan
It's like people idolize things and they deify things in their lives that don't make demands of them and what they can do with their genitals.
Not saying that that is Ian, but that is the case for a lot of people.
They just choose what to worship and it's usually the thing that makes the least demands of them and what they can and can't do with their genitals.
tim pool
I'm going to say this to Ian as a challenge.
People we tend to have on this show who are Christian or Catholic or otherwise have done more research into their faith than he has into graphene.
mary morgan
He's done a lot of research into graphene.
tim pool
He's never actually gone to a lab and spoken with the experts and tested it.
He said he's never even looked through an electron microscope.
So when you have people who have traveled the world and met with...
Great religious thinkers and preachers.
Like, I gotta be honest.
I'm not sure.
I could be wrong that Ian's ever even gone on a podcast about graphene.
How many podcasts have you gone on about faith and religion?
mary morgan
Are there podcasts about graphene?
phil labonte
Most people that say that they, like, say they've read something or they've studied it, most people haven't actually done a lot.
Or in-depth, especially nowadays, I do wonder exactly how much he's actually read about, like, graphene.
Because when he's articulating it, he seems to know, like, kind of have a wavetop understanding, but I don't know that he has a deep understanding of it.
He's never really...
Kind of really gotten into the depths of it.
mary morgan
We should call into the Colin portion.
phil labonte
Yeah, Ian.
tim pool
We're supposed to have a religion show with him.
I don't think it's ever happened.
But let's not harp on that.
He'll get his chance to respond.
Let's read some Super Chats.
Quantum Strange Quark.
Oh, we didn't get into this story.
Has anyone considered that the Trump 2028 hat might be referring to another Trump's just Don Jr. or Eric?
Since he can't serve again.
Yep. I'm surprised people, like, more people haven't been saying that.
Trump put out the 2028 hat, and what did it say?
Rewrite the rules or something like that?
Ha! There are other Trumps.
phil labonte
It's just a troll.
mary morgan
Barron, 20, what would that be?
30. It wouldn't even be in the 2030s.
tim pool
How old is he now?
He's 19?
mary morgan
He's 18, I thought.
unidentified
He's 18?
Yeah. I think he just turned 19. You know, 20 years before Barron came.
tim pool
I think he's 19. He's 19. Yeah.
Yes, March 20th is his birthday.
Just turned 19. So he's got 16 more years.
mary morgan
41. I'm looking forward to it.
tim pool
2042. Yeah.
He's gonna be like...
He's super tall.
What is he, like, eight feet tall?
george papadopoulos
He might be AI president by then, though.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Here's what's going to happen.
After World War IV ends, because timelines are crunched due to the speed of communication, so World War III is going to start soon, last for about five years.
Then we're going to have like a year break, then World War IV.
Then once most of the world is destroyed, seven foot tall, 300 pounds of pure muscle barren.
Grizzled and scarred with a beard is going to run for president of the unified territories of what was once called America.
george papadopoulos
Kind of like a John Connor kind of situation.
tim pool
I can't hear you.
Like Halo?
phil labonte
Post-World War IV, you're going to have to have a low enough rad count to be the president, so that way you're not going to die in office.
All right.
tim pool
Greg Nuvier says, Happy 38th birthday to me.
This is my last childless birthday.
My wife and I are expecting twins this summer.
Congrats. Let's get this birth rate up to baby boom, too.
Let's go, babies.
I had lunch with the family today.
It was beautiful.
My daughter is so well-mannered.
We had Korean barbecue, and she slept the whole time.
And then she slept the whole way back.
george papadopoulos
Congrats, by the way.
tim pool
Thank you.
It was perfect.
I was told that I was a very quiet baby as well.
So, we're blessed.
She sleeps and she only cries when she needs something specific and it's relatively easy to manage.
Let's go.
The Collins Effect says, look for the article about CA letting out an illegal immigrant who was deported twice.
He was sent to jail two years ago for manslaughter.
He killed two young adults drunk and high while driving.
There was another story that I saw going viral where the New York Times wrote about a dude from Jamaica.
Do you see this one?
He came here and then like right away kidnapped somebody and went to prison for 15 years.
And then...
He just got deported to Jamaica.
And the New York Times is like, but he doesn't know this place.
He was living in America for so long.
It's like, yeah, in prison.
george papadopoulos
What? Two warm meals a day.
tim pool
Yeah. Daniel Schultz says, listening to David Hogg speak is like drinking a tumbler of hot garbage water while trying to gargle broken glass.
You know, the Democrats' strongest man is David Hogg.
Or the strongest man the Democrats have is David Hogg.
Is that an insult to David Hogg or am I, I'm sorry, an insult to the Democrats or praise for David Hogg?
You decide.
It could go either way.
Tom Kavanaugh says the problem with the real ID and other things like that is simple.
The government is not trustworthy.
Yes, but the reason I was asking the question is because what will they do?
What is the actual manifested action they will take?
What have we here?
Sean H says, Hey Tim, it's my 39th birthday today.
I was wondering if I could get a birthday shoutout.
Shoutout Sean H. I'm working late at my restaurant, doing what I love and listening to Timcast as I do every night.
This is my forever news source.
Really do appreciate it, man.
Well, we just, you know, we hang out and I complain about things and my friends join me in that endeavor.
I'm glad that you found value in it.
Let's see, what do we got?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Nice black pill segment, bro.
LMAO. Hey.
You know?
You gotta be prepared for what's coming.
Kit Blank says, Phil and Mary, the human future in music isn't unique creativity.
It's ephemeral and analog performances until the T2 robots.
Yeah, did you guys see when they brought Tupac back?
phil labonte
The hologram Tupac, yeah.
mary morgan
I'm just more interested in the question of how we ought to live if that is inevitably the future.
Not whether it will happen or what's going to look like.
I'm just more interested in what we ought to do as a response.
tim pool
So I think one scenario, which doesn't account for any unforeseen variables, is that liberals are going to plug their brains into the machine in two seconds.
george papadopoulos
Is that what Neuralink's all about?
tim pool
Neuralink right now is mostly about, it's reading brain signals.
And the read-write technologies they're doing so far is that it's largely read.
So they can plug something in your brain and it can take data from your brain and then put it somewhere else.
So there's a guy who plays civilization with his mind.
He's paraplegic and he's just plugged in.
He plays Civ.
And it's awesome that he can move things around with his mind and control it that way.
It's really interesting.
mary morgan
Is it awesome though?
Yeah. Like I feel like I don't think that's awesome.
tim pool
Someone who's paraplegic and is like bedridden
Yeah, but like...
Would you rather he just be laying there?
mary morgan
The trade-off being either no one has it or paraplegic people can play Tetris.
I just would rather no one has it.
tim pool
Well, what's likely going to happen...
mary morgan
I don't think that that's actually improving anyone's quality of life.
tim pool
That, guys.
And the next phase is they're going to attach it to the nerves where they've been severed and then you'll be able to walk again.
mary morgan
Yeah, I don't really care.
Like, human suffering is not something that we're going to overcome.
tim pool
If you broke your spine, you would get it.
mary morgan
No. Yeah, you would.
How do you know that?
tim pool
Because I don't think anybody on Earth would believe you if you lost the ability to walk.
You would say no to having your body healed.
Because you probably get a bunch of medications that someone 200 years ago would have argued with the same thing that you're arguing now.
mary morgan
About, like, what?
tim pool
Ibuprofen? Antibiotics and other weird chemicals they make and, like...
Let me think of a...
I can't think of the word.
It's an antibiotic that's like synthesized chemical.
Like, look up how they make standard antibiotics, even like amoxicillin.
And it's nuts.
It's not something a person can just do.
It's like laboratory grade.
Dozens of people have to do all these different things.
And I'm sure a long time ago people would have been like sorcery.
And they would have strung the scientists and doctors up for doing it.
Now you're like, nobody should have this technology.
A chip that can connect severed, like a cast.
Or, you know, like crutches or leg braces.
These are mechanical things that attach to a person to correct a problem and heal them and increase their quality of life.
phil labonte
I mean, you can print prosthetic hands and stuff now.
tim pool
They've got the robot ones with chains and you can pull your arm and it closes and opens.
phil labonte
That would definitely be...
They would be like, that's possessed.
There's demons in your arm.
george papadopoulos
Compared to a hundred years ago, we're like living cyborgs.
Yeah. Compared to what people...
tim pool
I mean, look at your cell phone even.
george papadopoulos
Yeah, this is like an appendage at this point.
It's like my...
tim pool
whatever. You'd be called a witch.
They'd be like, this is demonic.
How could you do this?
phil labonte
How did you put those people in there?
tim pool
Or just, you're using a seer stone, and that's sorcery.
Yeah. And that is a hell-worthy trespass.
Like, you'd be strung up as a witch.
So, my view is just, I would bet a large sum of money that if you were paralyzed from the waist down, and Elon said, this little chip, we can attach to the severed portion, and you'll walk tomorrow, you'd say yes.
mary morgan
Attached to what?
tim pool
So, where the spine is severed?
mary morgan
You're not talking about Neuralink?
tim pool
This is Neuralink.
This is Neuralink.
Neuralink is connecting the nerves and reading and writing to the body or to a computer.
So, if you severed your spine, and from the waist down you were paralyzed, and Elon said, we will take this chip, attach it to the top, and then gap where the sever is to the bottom, reconnecting the signals, you will then be able to walk and feel and everything.
mary morgan
Okay, I'm talking about an either-or situation.
That the implication is this will not be a technology primarily used for addressing physical medical impairments.
It will be used to enhance the so-called enhance the human body.
If it's an either-or choice, if I press a button where we have a world where we can't...
Fix these medical impairments, but also we're not going to have bionic enhancements, or we're going to have both.
I would say neither is better.
tim pool
Agreed, but you used it in two seconds.
No. You used the internet, too.
What's the internet for?
mary morgan
How is that a comparison at all?
tim pool
So what is the internet for?
Communications? Sure.
What is it used for, actually?
Porn, degeneracy, weirdos having meetups, dating apps.
The principal function of the internet is for human degeneracy.
It's not supposed to be.
It's supposed to be standard economics, but instead, people don't go outside anymore, they don't exercise anymore, and they largely just self-gratify by connecting themselves to the internet.
They go online and argue with strangers and look at pictures of cats, and then do untoward things in their bathrooms.
The argument was that...
The speed of the internet was rapidly increased because the market for porn was so high.
They needed to deliver images faster.
So they were trying to figure out how to transmit data.
But you do use it.
So in the event the technology emerged, you wouldn't go, nobody should use this.
You'd be like, yeah, I'll use it.
It would be ubiquitous.
Everybody would use it.
Not to mention, in terms of Neuralink and losing control of your legs, who would clean you and bathe you?
It's like the choice for an individual between having to hire someone to lift you into a bathtub so that they can wash you and wipe your butt for you for the rest of your life and you can't go up and down stairs and some buildings are now inaccessible to you.
You can't play basketball.
You can't do sports.
People are going to say, I'll take the chip.
And you would too.
mary morgan
I feel like this is a eugenic mentality.
tim pool
It may be.
mary morgan
That life isn't worth living if you're impaired.
tim pool
Never said that.
I'm saying the average human...
mary morgan
It's the same mentality that's used to justify...
Killing these people.
tim pool
You genuinely believe that given the choice, people would not choose to have their ability to walk again?
mary morgan
I'm talking about myself.
tim pool
Right, yeah.
mary morgan
I'm not talking about everybody else.
I'm talking about me.
tim pool
So what about that is eugenic?
To say that people would choose...
mary morgan
No, I'm talking about the mentality that people generally have today, which is behind a lot of the justifications for abortion as well.
tim pool
Who's going...
mary morgan
That life isn't worth living if you're impaired.
tim pool
How would you pay someone to clean your butt for you?
mary morgan
In the situation where I decline to use Neuralink?
tim pool
Let's say you become paraplegic.
How are you going to pay for your wheelchair?
Who's going to make it for you?
Are you going to insist the government pay for your wheelchair for you?
mary morgan
I don't know.
I haven't thought about this insane hypothetical that you came up with.
tim pool
But this is not an insane hypothetical.
This is a reality for a lot of people who are paraplegic and are excited for Neuralink to help them walk once again.
They need assistance.
They wear diapers, sometimes colostomy bags.
They have to hire nurses to clean them.
Not all, but many require help getting into bath, and this is a reality for people who can't move their legs.
Or how about from your chest that you can't move your arms?
mary morgan
You're kind of reading into it that I'm accusing them of some kind of moral failing if they would choose differently than I would.
tim pool
I'm saying...
There is no reality in which you could convince me you would not take the cure.
mary morgan
Well, okay, then that's just what you believe, and then you can just believe that what I say isn't true, and there's no way to falsify what you say.
If I'm just lying, like, okay, you can just believe that...
tim pool
I just don't think...
mary morgan
Nothing I say could convince you otherwise, so there's...
There you go, Tim, you're right.
tim pool
Well, it's an opinion.
Like... It's not a fact statement.
I'm saying...
That was literally my point.
I don't think you can convince anybody that you would not...
Like, I'll ask you guys.
If you...
Your spine was severed and you couldn't walk anymore, and Elon said, I can install this chip.
It's a 20-minute procedure, and then you will be walking again by tomorrow.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
george papadopoulos
I would do it.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure 99.999% of people would do it, save maybe, like...
Perhaps you're correct.
Seventh-day Adventists might be like, no.
But that only is possible if there's someone who's going to take care of you.
Someone's going to get you the wheelchair you need.
They're going to build a ramp to your house.
You're going to have a support system because now you're not going to be able to do the same kind of work.
So how are you going to make money?
I suppose for you, your personality, so you would be able to do the same kind of work.
So that was wrong.
But for a lot of people, if you're like a construction worker and you're in an accident and now you can't walk, you can't do construction.
So who takes care of you?
For a lot of these people, they rely on the kind graces of others.
But if Elon walked up and said, this ship will make you walk, they'll say please.
There are a lot of people that beg Elon every day on X saying, please, please, can I get in this trial?
I'll do anything.
mary morgan
I think that we just have such drastically different worldviews that we're never going to see this the same way because I just view human suffering differently.
And I think that human suffering can...
Bring about other goods that aren't as obvious as being able-bodied.
tim pool
But my point is, someone else has to keep you alive.
mary morgan
That's a good thing.
tim pool
Who will do it?
mary morgan
People helping other people.
tim pool
Will do it.
mary morgan
Well, you either hire someone or it's family members.
That's... The case for people who are disabled currently.
tim pool
I think the reality is for a lot of people, they struggle with that.
And so there's non-profits that will send people to help them because they may not have anybody.
But we'll grab a couple more of these chats.
Let's go.
What do we got?
Insert clever name here says, Yes, Phil.
Sleep token.
New song tonight at midnight.
phil labonte
Oh, boy.
tim pool
Oh, there you go.
Aram And.
Aram And says, new media manipulating countries for headlines in wars.
Sounds familiar.
1997 Bond movie Tomorrow Never Dies.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
I don't know.
I've not seen it.
Can get a new grad degree free up to $120,000, but can't forgive 45K of remaining loan debt.
That's effing crazy.
Already repaid 80, by the way.
Yeah, I think we should...
There's got to be forgiveness, but it's got to be...
You have to pay back what you were given.
Interest rates at this moment should be suspended.
So you're paying back what you were given.
And if you've already paid more, then your debt is now gone and you get a tax credit for the excess.
Because there are people who took out like a 50k loan and were paying the minimums because either they weren't working.
And I get it.
Some people say...
It's, you know, people chose not to work and they deferred.
No, no.
Let's say there's a person out there, 50K in loans for school, couldn't find work, so they're paying the minimums, and it was going up.
And so there are a lot of people that are like, I took out a 50K loan, I've paid $63,000, and I still own, oh, 37. And it's like, okay, pay back the remaining, you know, you've already paid more, so we're going to get rid of it.
You've paid back your debt.
Maybe we put the interest on top where it's like, We're not going to be the tax credit because there is a buying power issue there.
But if we don't do this, millennials won't buy houses.
They're not going to have families.
They're not going to get jobs.
That's largely why we're saying not completely, but it's a component.
All right, let's go.
Let's grab.
What is this?
Alonzo Pre says, correct me if I'm wrong, but Border Patrol and ICE are doing mass hiring and offering sign-on bonuses.
I looked into it training eight weeks, three months, so there's still hope.
We just need the manpower.
I have patience in Trump.
Did I read that one already?
I didn't?
No. I must have read it to myself while we were talking.
Well, perhaps PhilDudeBro says, honest question, if China develops an AI, why can't we just hack it and plant a virus?
The AI would probably just eliminate it from its code.
Yeah. Just clean itself.
phil labonte
I mean, also, there's no guarantee that we have access to whatever system it's on, right?
Like, so...
China has the Great Firewall.
Now, I'm not sure that we don't have access to China's internet, but China does have its own internet that is actually isolated from the rest of the world, if I understand correctly, where there are only certain ways in.
george papadopoulos
I think that's more for their domestic consumption.
I think you can hack that externally.
phil labonte
Oh, we can?
unidentified
Okay. The Great Firewall, or whatever they call it.
tim pool
All right, one more.
We got David Ochoa.
How do you imagine we'll handle designer babies from the wealthy?
Built to inherit abilities to super athletes or business leaders.
It's going to happen and it's going to be a function of the market because parents are going to go in and the doctor is going to say, we noticed that in your genetics you have cancer in the family.
We can do this light tweak in utero that will eliminate that genetic anomaly and your child will not have cancer.
And that's where it starts.
Then they're going to start getting to eye color.
They're going to start getting to height.
They're going to say that we couldn't help but notice that you guys have a genetic predisposition towards insert disorder.
We're going to eliminate that.
While we're at it, we can also increase general muscle mass.
And the immune system, we can boost.
And the parents are going to be like, okay, you do that over a couple generations.
And they're going to say, okay, would you like your baby to be six foot tall?
What height would you...
Standard package?
Six foot tall, blonde hair, blue eyes, white skin?
They're going to be genetically engineering people, man.
China's already doing it.
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George, you want to shout anything out?
george papadopoulos
It's been an incredible pleasure.
Thanks a lot for having me.
Yeah, if you want to check out my book, Deep State Target, how I got caught in the crosshairs of the plot to bring down President Trump, kind of understand what Trump was talking about, them spying on his campaign.
It kind of covers all that, and it's just been a real pleasure.
tim pool
Right on.
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phil labonte
Good call.
I am Phil that remains on Twix.
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It's called Anti-Fragile.
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Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We will see you all over at Rumble.com.
Sorry, Rumble.com slash TimCastIRL.
I was about to say TimCast.com.
We haven't done that in a long time.
Rumble.com slash TimCastIRL in about 30 seconds.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you there.
unidentified
see you there.
there.
tim pool
Let's roll!
So, when they roll out...
Okay, here's what's going to happen.
Artificial general intelligence is going to rapidly...
It's going to brute force the human mind.
This will develop Neuralink at an exponential pace to where...
Here's how I imagine it's going to work.
I'm probably wrong, but this is just what I imagine.
Right now, they've been working for decades on computer brain interface.
Elon Musk's Neuralink has had tremendous breakthroughs, but it's still only read.
It's a device that can scan things in your brain and translate it into data out to a computer.
Being able to send stuff back into your brain, we haven't done.
But what they've been able to do with read is incredible.
They had people watch videos while wearing a computer brain interface and then decode what they were seeing.
So when they looked at a picture of a person, The image that came out of the computer brain interface showed like a silhouette figure.
phil labonte
Yeah, it looks like a Monet.
unidentified
Yeah. But it's still clearly a person.
tim pool
This means the computer brain, the CBI, was able to effectively see your thoughts.
What you were seeing visually by mapping your visual coordinates is crazy.
It'll take 20, 30 years to actually get to read right, right?
However, with artificial general intelligence, they're going to say, Here's all the information we have on brains.
Here's all the information we have on blood.
All the information we have on computer implants.
Make me a read-write modem for the brain.
And it will go done in like three seconds.
They will then take that, manufacture it.
How it will work is they will attach it to someone's head.
And then it effectively has to format.
Because every brain is different.
Similarly structured but different.
The computer is going to have to navigate the structures of your mind to be able to write to it.
To know where things go.
So you'll plug in.
The computer will then effectively brute force every part of your brain.
And then figure out how to write to it.
When that happens, it's going to be like Black Mirror.
When the people put the chips on the side of their head and then zonk out.
And then they feel like they're physically in a different world.
When that happens...
I'm going to go ahead and say every single motherfucking liberal gets one.
Like it's Nintendo and it's Christmas morning and you're opening up a Nintendo.
I'm curious, what do you guys think?
mary morgan
Sounds like you want one.
tim pool
I will not be getting one.
mary morgan
Why? Yeah, you will.
unidentified
I don't want to do it.
mary morgan
Yeah, in two seconds you would.
In two seconds you would.
tim pool
I'm not paraplegic.
mary morgan
But it's like...
unidentified
It's going to happen though.
tim pool
People will do it.
It will be commercially available and everybody will have it.
But there's no dependency on not having it.
What may actually happen...
mary morgan
They're going to make life impossible for people who don't get it.
unidentified
And you're correct.
mary morgan
You get it in two seconds.
tim pool
You're probably right, yeah.
Not two seconds, but maybe two months.
mary morgan
Now I'm the one with really good points.
tim pool
I will concede you that much.
phil labonte
The venom dripping out.
tim pool
You are correct.
When they do roll this out, it's not going to be that we all want to buy it.
It's that we're going to have a sponsor, and they're going to hit the show, and they're going to say, we really want to sponsor the show.
Can you Neuralink with us at 7 p.m.?
And I'll say, I don't have one.
And they'll go, well, then who's going to, what?
They're going to be like, we'd love to get in touch.
They're going to reach out to our agent, our sales rep, and they're going to say, we want to speak with him about sponsoring the show.
Can you give us his Neuralink number?
And they're going to, he doesn't have one.
And they're going to go, well, how do we talk to him?
Like, you've got to meet him in person.
And I go, we're not flying out to West Virginia.
Everybody has one.
You are right.
That's what's going to happen.
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