April 24, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| James O'Keefe is back with a new leak this time, or not necessarily a leak, but an undercover interview from a Department of Defense branch chief who says that he is going to resist Donald Trump and Hegseth. | ||
| And, oh boy, guys, I think this guy's going to go to jail. | ||
| I don't know for sure, but going on camera, talking it up to people in public about your DOD work at a time when, other big news, Tulsi Gabbard says she has referred leakers for criminal prosecution. | ||
| And we just heard from Secretary Kristi Noem in an interview that I had done with her that she is having DHS polygraph people to weed out corruption. | ||
| Then I see this story from James O'Keefe and I say, James, I think this guy might be investigated for criminal activity. | ||
| Because while he's saying this stuff in public, the question is, what is he doing in private within the DOD to undermine the Trump administration? | ||
| Then we're getting rumors that Elon Musk is leaving Doge. | ||
| Now, some people are saying, yeah, he's literally just leaving. | ||
| So his time is up. | ||
| Others are saying he got into a screaming match, WWE style, and this is the end. | ||
| I never believe the salacious stuff because it's just life is boring. | ||
| It's never that crazy. | ||
| But, you know, maybe, I guess. | ||
| So we'll talk about that plus the rise of Dark Woke. | ||
| Have you guys heard of Dark Woke? | ||
| The Democrats are trying a new strategy where they're insufferable and they act like children and they're calling it Dark Woke. | ||
| You try to talk Brandon. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| They don't understand what authenticity is. | ||
| They think swearing on TV makes them seem authentic. | ||
| No, it just makes you seem ignorant. | ||
| But sure. | ||
| We'll talk about all that. | ||
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| Indeed. All right, my friends, don't forget, also go to TimCast.com, join our Discord server, because the Culture War Live is coming. | ||
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| Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Five Times August. | ||
| Hi, thanks for having me. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Brad Skistomis, singer-songwriter for Five Times August, creator of the Juicebox Jukebox, content creator, influencer to some degree on X, all sorts of things. | ||
| What does Five Times August mean? | ||
| That name came from my birthday, needing a band name, August 5th, so I was 18 at the time when I started, and I was like, I can't go by Brad Skistomis, so... | ||
| I was like, August 5th, five times August. | ||
| That sounds cool. | ||
| And you performed for us, actually, in the green room. | ||
| I did. | ||
| So he showed up and we were like, no, you're not allowed to sit down. | ||
| We handed him a guitar and said, play. | ||
| And he was like, yes. | ||
| And everyone was impressed. | ||
| So if you go to rumble.com slash Timcast IRL, that green room episode is for members only. | ||
| It's promo code TIM10. | ||
| And you can listen. | ||
| It is really, really incredible. | ||
| Yeah, it's really good stuff. | ||
| It's stunning, Brad. | ||
| It is really good, man. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I wasn't super familiar with your work in the... | ||
| Early aughts, I guess you would say, you know, 2007, 8, 9, really until more recently. | ||
| And then we were listening to it at Iowa, at the Iowa caucus, and it's spectacular, dude. | ||
| I could use much more profanity to describe how awesome it is. | ||
| Well, go for it. | ||
| Fucking epic, dude. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Really, really good. | ||
| And you know that it's true, because look at the way this man is dressed. | ||
| He must be a rock star or something. | ||
| He's like, I'm going to wear my rainbow suit. | ||
| I just want to point out real quick, this is Ian Crossland, and as much as he's dressed like a lunatic, the actual rock star is over here. | ||
| True. Well, I'm surrounded by rock stars. | ||
| It's kind of fascinating. | ||
| Phil Labonte. | ||
| Hello, everybody. | ||
| My name is Phil Labonte. | ||
| I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. | ||
| I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| And Ian Crossland. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the last thing I was going to say is it's hard to describe music without someone actually being able to listen to the song. | ||
| It's like trying to describe a piece of food that... | ||
| Someone's not tasting. | ||
| So 5timesaugust.com? | ||
| Is that the website? | ||
| Yeah. Check it out. | ||
| Let's jump into this first story. | ||
| It's breaking news from James O'Keefe draining the deep state. | ||
| Yo, this is crazy. | ||
| DoD branch chief calls President Trump illegitimate, vows to resist him. | ||
| Everything he does claims Pete Hegseth is, quote, insanely young and unfit to lead. | ||
| Nobody I know should be the secretary of defense. | ||
| Quote, the same guy who tried to overthrow an election is just like truly setting us down a path of dictatorship. | ||
| I think they don't care who they hurt, referring to Trump's administration. | ||
| Now, | ||
| Now, we will get into the next bit of the story, but the reason why this one is so important is that you have this story. | ||
| Tulsi Gabbard says she referred intelligence officials to DOJ over leaks. | ||
| Then James O'Keefe drops this. | ||
| I think this guy's going to get investigated. | ||
| Let's play the clip. | ||
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the same guy who tried to overthrow an election. | |
| He's just like truly setting us down a path. | ||
| He's illegitimate. | ||
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He's purely immoral, breaking every war. | |
| We're going to resist him. | ||
| James O'Keefe here in Arlington, Virginia, in front of the Pentagon, the branch chief inside the Pentagon, saying on hidden camera he's going to resist against Trump and Hegseth. | ||
| Now, since President Trump was elected and assigned Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense, the DOD has faced a number of leaks in the past few months from employees inside the Pentagon. | ||
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There's some type of deep state forces that want to make sure you don't stay there. | |
| They've come after me from day one, just like they've come after President Trump. | ||
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I mean, I've gotten a fraction of what President Trump got in that first term. | |
| The Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, has been going on media interviews expressing that there are people within the Pentagon who want to resist the president and hurt the president. | ||
| I know exactly why I'm here. | ||
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To rip out the insidious ideologies and not compromise and not back down. | |
| To reestablish standards and Nicholas Terza, a branch chief within the DOD, expressed dissatisfaction with his new boss, Secretary of Defense Pete Hexeth, claiming he is too young for the job. | ||
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I'm assuming that your boss isn't Pete Hexeth. | |
| Ultimately, he is my boss. | ||
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But this is insane. | |
| I actually know Pete Hexeth. | ||
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You do? | |
| Like, personally? | ||
| This is so crazy. | ||
| Like, that's not a good reflection on me. | ||
| That's a bad reflection on Trump. | ||
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Like, nobody I know should be the Secretary of Defense. | |
| That's a weird thing to say, because I would ask, like, why? | ||
| Like, I know Kash Patel. | ||
| I would never say no one I know should be running the FBI. | ||
| Like, well, I don't know. | ||
| I actually know a lot of veterans and security experts and law enforcement. | ||
| That's like a weird thing to say. | ||
| I do want to add this real quick to this. | ||
| This is a clip from the interview I had with Kristi Noem. | ||
| That I think is pertinent to the Tulsi Gabbard and DOD leak story. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| One thing that, you know, in Homeland Security that we've been doing is we're polygraphing everybody. | ||
| You know, we're kind of going hardcore. | ||
| So I'm just, you know, I don't trust anybody. | ||
| Yeah, I'm really polygraphing everybody. | ||
| Yeah, we are polygraphing everybody. | ||
| So if I had a CBP officer that was sitting there... | ||
| And facilitated child trafficking. | ||
| First thing I do is put him on a polygraph and start building a case against him. | ||
| So we've done that with people on our executive offices, heading up our biggest agencies in our communications department. | ||
| We've had all these leaks going on. | ||
| We've polygraphed those individuals. | ||
| If we think somebody is not on Team America, then, you know, I want to find out if you really understand that you're working for the people of this country. | ||
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I love it. | |
| So nobody's done that before, but if I have the authority to do it, I'm going to do it to make sure. | ||
| The deep state exists. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| And, you know, I would say 10 years ago you could have told me, you know, I would have been skeptical on that and thought, you know, everybody's kind of seeing shadows. | ||
| Boy, if anything has proven to me that it does and that there are people embedded in this government and that there are people that are facilitating crimes and criminal activity. | ||
| I know that there are. | ||
| And so we're going to make sure that we're doing all we can to clean house and get people out of here that would facilitate something as horrific as that. | ||
| This is actually a really interesting turn of events for me because it was just yesterday that I spoke with Christine Ohm. | ||
| And she said, we've got people. | ||
| The deep state is real. | ||
| They're entrenched. | ||
| She's specifically referring to guys like this, that James O'Keefe then, I believe, just at 6.46 p.m., publishes this video. | ||
| So while I have Christine Ohm literally saying we are trying to weed out these people. | ||
| Through the DHS, you've got the DOD at the same time. | ||
| There's the evidence. | ||
| She was right the whole time. | ||
| And they're polygraphing these people. | ||
| By the way, we should get a polygraph for this office. | ||
| That'd be hell yeah. | ||
| Sure. And so she claimed that it's the people that are doing, being illegal, doing illegal things. | ||
| And that's a big problem. | ||
| And I agree, but I think a lot of people... | ||
| Legal and classified information is illegal. | ||
| I think a lot of these people are doing legal things, but they're doing evil. | ||
| And that's a big moral conversation about what's good, what's evil. | ||
| We have religion and social morals to kind of dictate that. | ||
| But people that use the law for evil are just as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than people that completely ignore the law. | ||
| Maybe they're not quite that dangerous, more insidious, you know? | ||
| You can create and control entire civilizations with evil lawfare if you're unopposed. | ||
| So that's a big challenge, is to find out who in here is actually... | ||
| It's just these two perspectives about what's going to destroy the world. | ||
| Is it him or is it me? | ||
| No, it's actually simple. | ||
| The American people have elected an administration, support the administration, Trump's approval ratings are under the margin of error, and then you simply say, okay, I'm here to do my job for the American people. | ||
| These people are ideologically driven evil individuals who think they matter more than you. | ||
| There's like a... | ||
| Civil disobedience is your right as an American, but this isn't a civil thing. | ||
| This guy's working for the military, the Department of Defense, so he's no longer a civilian, and you're not really supposed to disobey your military. | ||
| Let me show you something real quick, Ian. | ||
| I tweeted this earlier, and I think you made a point that Warren's bringing this up. | ||
| The top post on Change My View on Reddit is American conservatism is objectively a dangerous ideology and those associated with it do not deserve a platform. | ||
| Conservatism is undeniably a dangerous ideology. | ||
| It seeks to fundamentally destroy and undermine democracy targets minorities has led to authoritarian regimes. | ||
| At this point, who cares what else they said? | ||
| Is the | ||
| point not obvious to you, Ian. | ||
| What point exactly? | ||
| This individual who thinks conservatives are evil and destroying democracy and leading to authoritarianism has decided that authoritarianism and the end of democracy are the means by which you stop. | ||
| Oh, it's totally staring into the abyss. | ||
| That kind of mentality. | ||
| It's not staring into the abyss. | ||
| You become the demon you hate so much. | ||
| They're not fighting monsters. | ||
| They think they are. | ||
| Then they're psychopaths. | ||
| And so, what would you... | ||
| If you've got a guy, and he's in the military, and he's armed, and he's sent on a mission, and they say, this guy right here has kidnapped a bunch of women. | ||
| We need to rescue them. | ||
| They're American citizens. | ||
| And he says, okay, we call that a warrior. | ||
| What if that guy with the weapon was... | ||
| Diseased, drugged up and out of his mind and running around shooting at random people. | ||
| We'd say, that's a crazy person or a deranged lunatic. | ||
| That's how I would describe these people. | ||
| They're on no mission. | ||
| They're not going after any bad guys. | ||
| They are seeking to undermine the popular will of the people. | ||
| I think the concern that they're having, and I've thought of this a lot, is people did vote for Trump and they gave him the mandate. | ||
| That doesn't mean they support... | ||
| Carte Blanche, everything this guy's going to do from here on forward. | ||
| No, it means that the polls right now show largely he has general support across the board. | ||
| His approval ratings in aggregate are within the margin of error, or I should say about a point below the margin of error. | ||
| He's sitting in aggregate RCP about minus four, which is, give or take, you know, it's like 20 points higher than where Biden was, or not 20, but 10 points higher. | ||
| So right now, especially on immigration, Trump has the, and that's the principal issue, Trump largely has the favor of the American people. | ||
| But why is it then that these deep state people are undermining these individuals before they've even started their jobs? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think, what were you going to say? | ||
| I'm wondering if when this guy says something like, the same guy who tried to overthrow an election, and he's having this one-on-one conversation with this person, if he really means that narrative. | ||
| Because obviously a lot of people don't believe in that narrative. | ||
| Do these people behind the curtain sincerely convince themselves of these narratives and then they have to commit to it even in these settings to keep it going? | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, believing your own lie kind of thing. | ||
| You have to get to the point where you become... | ||
| So entrenched? | ||
| Is it that or they're just brainwashed by the mass media and they don't question? | ||
| You know, I have a really good example of something inane that I think represents even today the culture war. | ||
| Me and the boonies homies were joking about launching a skateboard. | ||
| Like, what are our new graphics going to be? | ||
| And then I said, I got an idea. | ||
| Let's make a skateboard that's just white with black bold text saying, don't be gay. | ||
| Everybody laugh because I'm joking, right? | ||
| And I laughed and I was like, to be fair, we'd probably sell out of those. | ||
| We'd sell like hotcakes. | ||
| Indeed. The joke is, the left has a meme that says, be gay, do crime. | ||
| And so my inversion of their joke is, don't be gay. | ||
| Now here's the thing. | ||
| One of the guys, I'm not going to call him out, but he was like, I don't know man, people are going to get real mad at us for something like that. | ||
| And then I was like, why are they allowed to say, be gay, do crime, and we can't say don't be gay? | ||
| This is the world we live in even to this day. | ||
| People are walking on eggshells around these lunatics. | ||
| You know, it's a joke. | ||
| We're not literally insulting gay people. | ||
| It's meant to be an inversion of the left's meme. | ||
| But there are genuinely people who are concerned. | ||
| You have to be in that world. | ||
| Even to this day, it is a cult. | ||
| And people fear the cult because they're violent. | ||
| So, you take a look at religious groups. | ||
| You take a look at... | ||
| We'll give two examples. | ||
| You've got Scientology. | ||
| You've got Islam. | ||
| There are a lot of people that have talked about how if you're a Scientologist and you speak ill of them, then they come and they do bad things to you. | ||
| I don't really know a lot about what they do, but you guys have heard stories like that. | ||
| Talk some crap about Scientology. | ||
| They hired me in 2007, me and my girlfriend. | ||
| They cast us. | ||
| We were cast to play married couple. | ||
| And we went to there and we said, we've been married for five years or whatever. | ||
| For what? | ||
| For what? | ||
| For Scientology, so that they could show people the right to marriage. | ||
| It was one of their candidates, the right to marriage. | ||
| They had a lie to promote marriage. | ||
| Crazy religion. | ||
| So we don't get off point, but then you also have Islam where you've had people who drew pictures of Muhammad get killed. | ||
| People will... | ||
| News organizations don't show Muhammad. | ||
| South Park did a really great example of this. | ||
| An episode of South Park depicted Jesus, Muhammad, and I can't remember who else. | ||
| Do you guys remember? | ||
| It was like three people. | ||
| Buddha? I guess. | ||
| Maybe. And then later on, like ten years later, they had already depicted Muhammad in the show, but after the Charlie Hebdo incident, they wanted to bring Muhammad back on the show, and Comedy Central would not let them. | ||
| So they censored the whole thing, and then when Stan was doing his monologue about what he learned... | ||
| They just bleeped the whole thing out. | ||
| Didn't they want to put Muhammad in a bear costume and tell people that it was Muhammad in the bear costume? | ||
| They wouldn't allow them to show the bear costume that Muhammad was in. | ||
| And so that's the point. | ||
| Even to this day, people are still scared of this cult faction. | ||
| And it's not necessarily because they have the political power to crush you. | ||
| Right now, Trump has the establishment power. | ||
| It's because... | ||
| They're deranged violent lunatics who will cause you harm and nobody wants to be confrontational. | ||
| And I think people are also trained over the last eight years to keep their mouth shut and not violate the COVID narrative or other things that get you censored offline. | ||
| So there's still a lot of this chilling that people are thawing. | ||
| Do you think it's still thawing or do you think that it's my sense that that's over? | ||
| And there are people that are extremely enthusiastically saying the taboo things nowadays. | ||
| I bet it's just like when water boils, part of that water turns into gas first. | ||
| And then other parts of the water will start to return to gas. | ||
| That's the heat. | ||
| You're someone that's already slapped it away and you're like, hot. | ||
| But some people are still warming up and getting out of that state of mind. | ||
| Let's jump to this next story from Newsweek. | ||
| Carrying on this train of thought, Tulsi Gabbard says she referred intelligence officials to the DOJ over leaks. | ||
| Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard says she's referred two intelligence community professionals to the DOJ over leaks from the Justice Department. | ||
| She told Fox News Digital on Wednesday that she's planning to refer a third shortly. | ||
| I look forward to working with the DOJ and the FBI to investigate, terminate, and prosecute these criminals. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Right to jail. | ||
| Christy Noem said something similar about individuals. | ||
| They have leakers, and they're going to be investigating and going after these individuals. | ||
| The Defense Department has come under fire after Pete Hegseth and other top Trump officials engaged in a single group chat. | ||
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Blah, blah, blah. | |
| We get it. | ||
| Gabbard said those who leak classified information will be found and held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| Because... With the people like that guy, the branch chief from the DOD that James O'Keefe has just exposed, criminally charging them for the crimes they committed. | ||
| I'm not saying going after whistleblowers. | ||
| I'm saying if somebody is leaking classified information, you criminally charge them and then let all the other weird woke cultists in the deep state know. | ||
| You will go to jail all the same for leaking information. | ||
| That's an important part. | ||
| It's not just about getting the dude that did the actual, you know, leak the information or whatever. | ||
| It's about making it clear to other people that might decide, oh, I'm going to take on Trump and I'm going to resist, thinking that it's, you know, 2017 or 2018. | ||
| This is a different administration. | ||
| And this administration will prosecute you if you break the law. | ||
| We will put you in jail. | ||
| And the evidence is they're prosecuting people and putting them in jail. | ||
| Or at the very least, they're fining those people and firing them at the minimum. | ||
| But I would like to see prison time. | ||
| We were talking on the green room. | ||
| That's all I'm waiting for. | ||
| We were like, where's Kash Patel? | ||
| Why are these people so quiet? | ||
| I think that they're in there rooting out the leakers right now. | ||
| There's a lot of turnover. | ||
| Remember Dan Bongino tweeted about this like maybe a month ago. | ||
| He said, look, I know there are people that are saying, hey, where's the results? | ||
| Where's the results? | ||
| Remember, just because you're not seeing it on the internet doesn't mean it's not happening. | ||
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Small room with a steel table and a low lamp. | |
| And Dan Bongino's leaning in, talking to Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, Pete Hegseth, and he says, he slides a piece of paper, pictures on it, and he says, these are the guys we're going after. | ||
| It's going to take time. | ||
| They got to investigate. | ||
| It's been only a few months. | ||
| So people are expecting scenarios like that where, you know, I assure you it's probably very mundane. | ||
| Cash is going to walk into the office and Dan's going to be there and be like, oh, can you take a look at this form? | ||
| And look, it's like, oh, OK, so this guy was leaking to to the press. | ||
| Like, OK, that's really bad. | ||
| All right, let's go over this. | ||
| It's probably very mundane and they're probably working as a lot of paperwork. | ||
| But also, if you really do think there's a deep state. | ||
| Yo, Cash and Dan are going to come out and just like, here's a list of names of people we're going after. | ||
| We've built a case in three months. | ||
| We walked in the door. | ||
| We had all the evidence. | ||
| We were done. | ||
| Nah, I think they're working on it. | ||
| I talked with Gorka about this. | ||
| We're putting that interview up tomorrow. | ||
| But he was basically like, Cash was a victim of this. | ||
| And Dan has dedicated himself to weaning out this corruption. | ||
| It will happen. | ||
| And I asked him, I was like, you're basically warning the deep state right now. | ||
| We're coming for you. | ||
| They know. | ||
| Of course they know. | ||
| So I give them all the benefit of the doubt that I can muster up. | ||
| They've got four years to do something, but I really do expect something to happen within this year. | ||
| I could see them for two years. | ||
| I mean, that's the FBI's job is to weed out internal corruption, more or less, solve internal crimes and things. | ||
| Two years of this. | ||
| And I'm concerned a little bit about the Trump administration's You know, their whole purview, like, what they're going to be able to accomplish, because then the rest of the time they're just worried about... | ||
| It's like they're trying just to put out fires. | ||
| They're trying to fix problems. | ||
| Bloated governance, mass illegal immigration, which is like, if you let them in illegally, how are we supposed to get them out legally? | ||
| You let them in illegally. | ||
| So Trump's toying with, like, we're not going to even have trials for these people. | ||
| Did you know that they don't get trials to begin with? | ||
| Illegal immigrants, do they have to... | ||
| I thought that was like immigration courts, no? | ||
| Immigration court is for people who have visas and came here legally and then are facing an end of their visa or a violation of the terms of their immigration. | ||
| People who come here illegally, like crossing through the border, get what's called expedited removal. | ||
| They don't even get a hearing. | ||
| They are taken. | ||
| It is determined by ICE. | ||
| That is the normal legal process. | ||
| So Donald Trump said, why would we give them trials? | ||
| We don't have time for that. | ||
| And the media is twisting it. | ||
| And trying to create the impression among the American people that trials are a normal thing that happens for all illegal immigrants, which has never been the case. | ||
| The only people who get the Supreme Court has argued specific hearings for those under the Alien Enemies Act because those people are going to a prison and not simply being deported. | ||
| Trump still has full authority to deport anybody under expedited removal processes, which is if ICE determines that you're an illegal immigrant. | ||
| Bye. That's it. | ||
| Man, if they hadn't all been let in illegally, I'd be much more obsessed with doing illegal extradition, whatever you want to call it. | ||
| Illegal extradition? | ||
| No, no, legally getting them out through some legal process. | ||
| I mean, technically it is, but like one guy to go, they're a terrorist organization, now trust me, now get out of the country. | ||
| That's why they... | ||
| That's why they get hearings. | ||
| And the Trump admin has actually been dropping charges against some of these individuals because it's easier to deport them if they don't do that. | ||
| The terrorist organization part is secondary. | ||
| If they're illegally immigrants, get them out. | ||
| Put as much pressure on them as you can from as many different ways as you can for either to pick them up, the government can pick them up, or get them to leave. | ||
| Go after the people that are hiring them so that way they can't work. | ||
| Put a couple businesses out of business. | ||
| Because they hired too many illegals, and that'll fix your problem with hiring illegals real quick. | ||
| But it's got to happen that way, because there aren't enough... | ||
| If there has to be a hearing for every single illegal that we want to deport, or that the administration wants to deport, then you're not ever going to deport enough people. | ||
| You don't have enough courts. | ||
| It'll take forever. | ||
| And I don't want kangaroo courts. | ||
| That's why they're doing it. | ||
| That's why they're doing it. | ||
| And so the Trump administration, Donald Trump... | ||
| Didn't say, I am ending the standard prex of trials for illegal immigrants. | ||
| He said, we don't do this. | ||
| We've never done this. | ||
| Why would we do it now? | ||
| And the New York Times falsely framed it and manipulated the context. | ||
| And they've got Democrats coming out saying Trump is trying to take criminal trials away from people, as if he's talking about Americans now, because they're scumbag liars. | ||
| And this is all they do. | ||
| They lie all day. | ||
| And if you call them a liar because they're lying, they call you conservative or right wing. | ||
| You're very far right. | ||
| Apparently. I'm so far right, I'm far left. | ||
| Let's dance in the middle somewhere. | ||
| Left and right these days are... | ||
| It's true and false. | ||
| Left is false, right is true. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Like, are you good or evil? | ||
| Are you lawful or chaotic? | ||
| That's what I want to know. | ||
| I think the modern-day conservative is like a 90s Democrat. | ||
| I understand what you're saying, but I... | ||
| Colloquially, I don't agree. | ||
| There are a lot of modern conservatives who are 90s Democrats, but Ben Shapiro... | ||
| Certainly is not. | ||
| Stephen Crowder certainly is not. | ||
| Those guys have some of the biggest platforms in conservative media, and they are staunch conservatives. | ||
| I think the narrative of the 90s Democrat is largely because of Trump. | ||
| But if you were to look at the right, the quote-unquote right, and try and figure out what brings them together, how is Jimmy Dore far-right? | ||
| I'm not kidding. | ||
| The leftists call him alt-right and far-right. | ||
| The dude's a literal socialist. | ||
| He advocates for socialist policy. | ||
| He's right-wing because he believes in the truth. | ||
| Because he'll tell you, like, Trump never did that. | ||
| And then they go, oh, you're defending Trump. | ||
| And he's like, no, I'm telling you the truth. | ||
| And they're like, that's right-wing. | ||
| You know, if you look out into the universe, it's a sphere. | ||
| We're inside of a sphere. | ||
| They call it, you can see the cosmic microwave background on this sphere. | ||
| Everywhere you look, it's the universe. | ||
| And it's like these people are in a universe of right-wing. | ||
| And there are this liberal bubble inside this right-wing. | ||
| So everywhere they look, if it's not in their little bubble, it's right-wing. | ||
| Exactly. It basically became the woke left and then everybody else. | ||
| On that other side is conservative. | ||
| It is. | ||
| But you know what I think? | ||
| The woke left is very small, but their sphere, they have control over a lot of people. | ||
| They've got the megaphone. | ||
| And the people that are on the left are terrified to speak up because they're scared of being not left. | ||
| They're so desperate to call themselves left-wing and so scared of being called right-wing. | ||
| It truly is the epitome of cowardice to fear being called right-wing. | ||
| The brand right-wing has now been so tarnished. | ||
| There are people that associate that with, just say, if you're right-wing, then you must be a fascist. | ||
| And people associate the term fascist with Nazis. | ||
| These are all, they're all equivalent in a lot of people's heads. | ||
| And they're not the same at all. | ||
| But that's the way, specifically, Center kind of... | ||
| Center or center-left people, that's the way they perceive it. | ||
| That's why when the far-left or the left call people Nazis and blah, blah, blah, everyone's terrified of being called those things. | ||
| I mean, it's just a name like any other insult. | ||
| But I do think it's waning. | ||
| I do, too. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| More and more, it's like, I don't know what that means. | ||
| Your race is like, oh. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| Like, when they started calling Jewish people Nazis, I was like, I'm confused now. | ||
| I'm not talking about Zionists, you, you know, the Jewish people. | ||
| I'm talking about literally, like, they started calling conservative Jewish people in the United States Nazis. | ||
| And I'm just like, I don't know where you're at. | ||
| I don't know what you think. | ||
| You're a cult. | ||
| It's certainly maddening when they... | ||
| People are found to put swastikas on other people's cars, and they're like, you're a Nazi, and then they put a swastika on the car. | ||
| They're like, yo, bro, if you put the swastika on the guy's car, you're the Nazi. | ||
| You're the one that's... | ||
| The point I was making is using force and threat, whatever the imagery is, and then calling someone else a pejorative. | ||
| The point I was making before is, if they really thought you were a Nazi for having a Tesla, and they spray-painted the swasta on your car... | ||
| I'm imagining, like, the Nazi walking out of his house being like, hey, what are you doing? | ||
| And they're like, I'm spraying a swastika on your car. | ||
| And the Nazi goes, oh. | ||
| I didn't have the balls to do it. | ||
| Oh, thank you. | ||
| I was going to get to it later, but I appreciate you doing it for me. | ||
| We'll do it better, because that one looks like crap. | ||
| But Carl Benjamin made a great point when I tweeted this. | ||
| He said the implication in everything they do is that they know you are not a Nazian. | ||
| And they are doing that to make you angry because you are not. | ||
| They are basically saying, fall in line or we will other you. | ||
| And the Zoomers nowadays, they don't care. | ||
| They're not afraid of the word racist. | ||
| They're not afraid of being called Nazi. | ||
| They do not care at all. | ||
| The power of those words is totally depleted when it comes to the younger generations. | ||
| They don't care at all. | ||
| I think Trump just stopped the war with Iran, too. | ||
| The Nazis weren't really into stopping wars. | ||
| They were really about winning them all and taking as much land as they could. | ||
| Nazis were definitely a, you know, that's a part of fascism is being fairly militaristic. | ||
| This is like, okay, so the reality we're in right now, this United States has been hijacked for 100 years by the global banking order, essentially, 1913 Federal Reserve, and then mass illegal immigration. | ||
| We're in a place where, like, the law paperwork isn't going to solve this problem. | ||
| Unless you want to say gold's worth $60,000 an ounce, which you guys mentioned last night. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| Do you think Trump should just wartime powers, emergencies, mass deportation, get him out? | ||
| It's unprecedented, man. | ||
| It's never happened before. | ||
| This is a new thing. | ||
| Because Abe Lincoln, very limited in scope. | ||
| And there was a different planet back then. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| 20 million illegal immigrants. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Abe Lincoln suspending habeas corpus. | ||
| That wasn't the only thing he did. | ||
| He did a lot more than that. | ||
| He was also literally in a physical war, overseeing a physical war at the time, locally. | ||
| He was leading the North in the Civil War. | ||
| Before Abraham Lincoln was actually inaugurated, seven states seceded from the Union. | ||
| And then Union troops were in Fort Sumter in South Carolina, and they said Union troops evacuate, and the Union refused. | ||
| So he came in, and under his leadership, a war began. | ||
| He started the war. | ||
| He attacked them because they were trying to leave. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| They attacked the Union. | ||
| The Union troops were in Fort Sumter claiming it is their federal base and South Carolina said it's our territory and leave. | ||
| Actually, I don't think we know who fired the first shots. | ||
| It's kind of like, I'm not touching you. | ||
| I'm not touching you. | ||
| That's what the North was doing. | ||
| My point is, Abraham Lincoln wasn't facing bullets flying in chaos until he decided... | ||
| It takes two to tango. | ||
| And I don't think it's fair to say the Union or the South necessarily started the conflict. | ||
| I know people are going to have their perspectives. | ||
| My point is that the actions he took were not based upon bullets flying until he took actions which resulted in bullets flying. | ||
| So you could say that refusing to leave Fort Sumter initiated conflict or – because we don't know who actually fired the first shot. | ||
| Then you have the Battle of Bull Run. | ||
| The point is that dude did a lot of stuff, and basically everything he did was unprecedented and unconstitutional. | ||
| Trump, with his wartime power thing, it's – I thought that the cartels were like a foreign terrorist organization, an insurgency in the country, like we should, you know, militarily defend against it if we need to, because they've been attacking us with drugs and human trafficking, fentanyl, | ||
| running kids across the border for sale, and other horrible things. | ||
| I don't know, but this is what I've heard. | ||
| So like, yeah, and the war in Ukraine, technically we're not at war, but you could consider our country at war since we've been funding this war in Ukraine. | ||
| We're at war. | ||
| We have been at war since the Ukraine thing kicked off. | ||
| Since we started, since we've been funding it. | ||
| But how hard do you take it? | ||
| Because the whole world's watching. | ||
| Everything's being recorded. | ||
| Whatever he does will be precedent for what comes next. | ||
| So if Joe Rogan had this clip from one of his last shows, and he was basically saying, there's a lot of people saying, just round them up, get them all out there, send them all to El Salvador, and it's wrong. | ||
| Because what happens when the next president gets in? | ||
| Well, Joe is wrong. | ||
| Joe is right about the fact that we can't just round people up and send them all off without due process, right? | ||
| But I think Joe doesn't understand, one, the due process for illegal immigrants is literally ICE checks your information and then you leave. | ||
| You don't get a hearing. | ||
| This is not normal. | ||
| Not every illegal immigrant gets hearings. | ||
| That's the due process. | ||
| The due process is, are you a citizen? | ||
| No. Goodbye. | ||
| They, like, give them a chance to go to their house and collect their stuff and then they're like... | ||
| Not expedited removals. | ||
| Okay. Some... | ||
| If you enter illegally or with forged documents, it's expedited removal. | ||
| You don't get a hearing. | ||
| If you're here legally and then violate the terms of immigration, you can get a hearing. | ||
| You can appeal. | ||
| And then you've got for the AEA, which is accusing you of actually being part of a criminal organization, a terrorist organization. | ||
| The Supreme Court says you must have an actual hearing for that. | ||
| So if you want to get an appeal, it has to be you are actually arguing that your legal immigration status is being wrongfully terminated or something. | ||
| But here's the problem with what Joe is saying. | ||
| This idea of the next president is going to do it to you? | ||
| They already did. | ||
| The Biden administration stripped J6s of their due process rights, imprisoning people. | ||
| The judges were denying their access to evidence. | ||
| They were wrongly charged on false statutes. | ||
| Let's just say this. | ||
| Of the J6s who were charged for obstructing an official proceeding, which I believe was maybe 20% or so or less, That charge was wrong. | ||
| The Supreme Court said you can't charge him with that. | ||
| That's a violation of their due process. | ||
| They were denied access to the surveillance footage from the Capitol. | ||
| 41,000 hours was withheld for years with these people sitting in solitary confinement. | ||
| That means every single J6-er had their due process rights violated because they're supposed to have constitutionally access to the evidence. | ||
| And it was denied to them until the Republicans got in and gave the tapes to Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Then they were able to give the evidence. | ||
| So the Biden administration has, the Democrats can and will violate your rights the moment they get power. | ||
| So the question is, what is the Trump administration going to do right now? | ||
| And it looks like they're going after leakers, and I'm hoping Cash and Dan actually do their jobs. | ||
| But let's jump to this next story from Politico. | ||
| Doge loses its biggest advocate as Musk exits Washington. | ||
| I don't know if I believe it. | ||
| Elon Musk claimed that his job in Washington is mostly done, may calm Tesla shareholders, but his departure could snap the Doge of its disruptive energy, even as it continues to make major cuts to the federal workforce. | ||
| In an effort to reassure rattled Tesla shareholders after a bruising first quarter, Musk told investors this week that his round-the-clock involvement in Doge will soon be scaled back to just a day or two per week. | ||
| The message to the markets was clear. | ||
| Musk is refocusing on his companies. | ||
| He's doing the math. | ||
| So he's a special government employee, which means he's allowed to work 130 days a year. | ||
| So he's already put in 90. He's got like 40 more days he's actually allowed to work. | ||
| So that's what he's doing. | ||
| He's spreading out those days over the next year. | ||
| He's going to come in once a week, check things out. | ||
| How many days? | ||
| 130. We're on what? | ||
| Day 92? | ||
| 93? If he officially started on the 20th of January, yeah. | ||
| Just about that. | ||
| I didn't do the math exactly. | ||
| But he knows he's coming up. | ||
| We've already passed the first 100 days. | ||
| And if he's worked since Trump has been in office, he's definitely passed the first 100 days. | ||
| Okay. It makes sense that now he's stepping... | ||
| I thought that. | ||
| It's 94 days. | ||
| 94 days? | ||
| Yeah, we're at 94. And Elon started almost immediately. | ||
| So he's still got a couple months. | ||
| Yeah, he's got about another 30... | ||
| 30 days to work, so he's gonna spread that out. | ||
| He's been saying that, like, May is when he was planning on leaving anyways. | ||
| So it's close. | ||
| It's around the time that he's been talking about leaving. | ||
| So he wasn't gonna be there for, you know, extended periods of time. | ||
| I don't know how he takes care of all those kids. | ||
| I don't think he does. | ||
| Someone else. | ||
| I don't think that's going on right now. | ||
| I'm like, I got one. | ||
| Yeah. You know, and, you know, my wife is working extremely hard. | ||
| And I'm working 10 hours a day, but I'm helping with what I can. | ||
| And how do you do more than one at a time? | ||
| I mean, maybe once the first one's a little bit older and can help with the other one. | ||
| But Elon's got 14 known kids. | ||
| 14 kids now? | ||
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I think it's 14. He's got a lot of nannies. | |
| And he's also like, the mothers take care of the kids. | ||
| Grimes takes care of the kids that Elon has, if I understand, except for X. Elon's... | ||
| One of the mothers is an executive at Neuralink, I believe, and she's in Texas with him. | ||
| Then there's random other ones. | ||
| I gotta say, as much as I do appreciate the tech work that he does, the Doge work that he does, you know, we'll do a compliment sandwich here. | ||
| Elon's SpaceX is fantastic. | ||
| This work is transformative and it's great for humanity. | ||
| Then we're going to... | ||
| I think his kids statistically will be drug users and criminals based on the fact that they don't have a dad. | ||
| And then we'll finally say Tesla is an amazing company. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I own three. | ||
| So we'll give him a compliment. | ||
| Something he said about his oldest... | ||
| Was it his oldest kid? | ||
| He said that his son or his daughter became a... | ||
| Transition. And then he said it was the woke mind virus had killed his child. | ||
| And he was saying, like, my child is dead. | ||
| He was saying things like that. | ||
| And that's like... | ||
| Firstly, parents don't say that about their kids unless you're not really their parent. | ||
| That's okay to say, though, because... | ||
| They don't want you to what's called dead name them. | ||
| So once they've made the transition, their old name is the dead name of them. | ||
| And if you use it, it's offensive to them. | ||
| So Elon is technically correct there in saying that his son is dead. | ||
| But that's like him accepting this narrative that my new name is real and my old name is no longer... | ||
| It's like, bro, you're both, dude. | ||
| You're still you. | ||
| That's not how trans people think. | ||
| And also that there's so much animosity between... | ||
| Elon's trans child and Elon, it's not my business or whatever to comment on, but he's spoken very, very critically, or they've both spoken very critically of each other. | ||
| I feel horrible trashing on anything Elon's doing because I'm with you on this, Tim. | ||
| He's a phenomenal human being. | ||
| And a lot of the great people in history aren't known for their awesome personalities. | ||
| They were dickheads or they were horrible, abusive, raging, alcoholic, violent. | ||
| But they did amazing things for society. | ||
| A lot of war leaders. | ||
| Yeah, you praise the good. | ||
| You criticize the bad. | ||
| I mean, Trump's not known for being a strong family man, but he's got a good family. | ||
| I mean, like. | ||
| I don't know how many baby mamas he's got, but... | ||
| Right, he's routinely criticized. | ||
| How many Trump kids are really out there? | ||
| Well, you know, I think, how many, he's got, what, five kids? | ||
| I thought this today. | ||
| But his kids are actually all pretty great, to be completely honest. | ||
| Yeah. Like, having met them, they're successful, smart, well-rounded. | ||
| So he's done a good job, despite the fact, I will say this, I believe that you should be married once, you should not get divorced, you should have kids, and you work together with your partner. | ||
| I'm not a fan of divorce or multiple baby moms. | ||
| Well, I was thinking about it today in this product, because I listened to you talk more about that on the show that you were like, Death before dishonor, and you pulled up the ring of power. | ||
| I was like, fuck yeah. | ||
| The ring of power. | ||
| My wedding ring. | ||
| Elon says the world needs more people. | ||
| Okay, on its face, yeah, I guess. | ||
| But we don't need more psychopaths. | ||
| So poorly raised children that can turn violent are actually worse for the planet. | ||
| With the mental powers of Elon Musk. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| You still need a foundation as a kid, though. | ||
| Even if your dad's Elon Musk, you need... | ||
| That foundation to be secure for yourself. | ||
| Otherwise, you have 14, you know, half Elon Musks that didn't have a dad. | ||
| Wouldn't it be like a wild story if Elon's transgender son ended up becoming like a very prominent political leader with millions of followers rivaling the influence of Elon? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| He's created... | ||
| Don't give him any ideas. | ||
| My father's property. | ||
| The left will do that tomorrow. | ||
| I'm not saying that his kids are psychopaths. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm just saying kids without parents turn out to be... | ||
| Generally, have a rougher existence of the world. | ||
| Higher likelihood without a father specifically to be a criminal or drug user. | ||
| That was the point I was making earlier. | ||
| And I don't think we necessarily need more fatherless. | ||
| I mean, in a world where there's no kids and it's a tribe of nine of us, yeah, have as many kids as you possibly can whether you see them again or not. | ||
| Like a fish in the water. | ||
| Maybe that's Elon's mentality considering the fertility is at like 1.3. | ||
| And this is a huge problem. | ||
| He's like, I'll take care of it. | ||
| Here's 14. I mean, hey, he's pulling his weight. | ||
| You know, I guess pomp and circumstances out the window when you're dealing with the extinction of humanity. | ||
| Let's be real. | ||
| It really does, on the surface, look like Elon's principal concern for everything is human extinction. | ||
| That's why he wants to colonize Mars and why he wants many, many babies. | ||
| He's like, there's not enough humans. | ||
| Population is shrinking. | ||
| I'm going to do everything I can. | ||
| So he has tons of babies. | ||
| Then he goes, if the Earth gets hit by an asteroid or something, humanity is wiped out, so we've got to colonize Mars so we're interplanetary so we can't go extinct. | ||
| And he's like, my kids first. | ||
| So that's been his whole agenda the whole time. | ||
| It's like, I'm going to make a bunch of babies, then send them to space. | ||
| And then it's like, not Mars anymore. | ||
| It's like, Elon Musk, Mars. | ||
| Wouldn't that be kind of creepy, but also really funny if the first ship to Mars... | ||
| He just abruptly at the last minute puts all of his kids on it and then sends it to Mars. | ||
| And they're like, wait, those people weren't on the flight manifest. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| And he's like, my kids will survive. | ||
| And they go to Mars. | ||
| Then he just has like a whole bunch of musks. | ||
| Like there's like 40 kids on Mars. | ||
| All related to him. | ||
| The Optimus robots taking care of them. | ||
| Yeah. That's actually pretty crazy. | ||
| If we get those Optimus robots, like the Atlas robots, if we get autonomous robots... | ||
| Send them to Mars. | ||
| They can just start building. | ||
| Well, that's what his plan is. | ||
| He literally said that the end of next year, his plan is to have a starship with Optimus robots go to Mars. | ||
| That's his goal. | ||
| I don't know if he's going to make it, because there's only, I think it's every two years, is there a window to actually get to Mars. | ||
| So if he misses this one, it's going to be another three years from now until they can actually make another attempt. | ||
| Didn't he offer, was it like... | ||
| $15 million something? | ||
| What was that story to Ashley St. Clair? | ||
| I was thinking about her just now. | ||
| He just posted today that we haven't been to Mars in like 55. Sorry, we haven't been to the moon. | ||
| We haven't been to the moon in 50 however many years it's been. | ||
| 55, something like that. | ||
| That's been my thing with Elon. | ||
| I'm like, why don't you just go to the moon? | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| I'm, like, thinking, like, I'm not, because I'm saying, why doesn't he try to go to the moon first? | ||
| Why doesn't he just return to where we've been? | ||
| That is the plan. | ||
| The plan is to establish a base on the moon, which is the launching point for the trips to Mars. | ||
| That'd be cool, because we can build a space elevator on the moon first, according to Michael Lane, who runs Liftport, who's been working on a space elevator for 15 years out of NASA. | ||
| He said that the lunar gravity is so much lower that you can actually get a geosynchronous orbital platform up there and get a tether down to the lunar surface. | ||
| And then what happens is, like, here's the moon, here's the Earth, and there's a tether. | ||
| But the tether isn't connected to the Earth. | ||
| So as the moon spins around, there's this gigantic 30-foot-wide cable that just swings at, like, 500 miles an hour, just slamming into everything and just ripping it to shreds and destroying it. | ||
| Sick. | ||
| Yeah, you don't want to get snapped by that thing. | ||
| I don't know how this elevator actually would work. | ||
| It would be like a platform with then... | ||
| It's more complex than this, but you could look up space elevator to get a good look. | ||
| And then literally a tether down to a base station where it's tethered because it's held in space. | ||
| It would actually be like a relatively small cable. | ||
| Or a series of cables. | ||
| I kind of envision like 60 different cables with 60 different elevators all going up and down. | ||
| Is the platform like moving 1,000 miles an hour through the atmosphere? | ||
| It's moving at exactly the same speed. | ||
| They call it geosynchronous because it's at the same speed of the rotation of the planet. | ||
| So basically it's just floating. | ||
| Exactly. And you just, like, do you take a ship up to it? | ||
| Yeah, an elevator of some sort. | ||
| You could use ballast. | ||
| It's connected to the Earth. | ||
| Wouldn't it have to be moving faster to stay over the same spot? | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| Moving at a different speed to maintain orbital. | ||
| But is it connected to the moon? | ||
| Yeah. By a tether, yeah. | ||
| So we're literally, you're saying we're connecting the moon to the Earth? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| The moon to a platform above the moon, about 30 miles up or something. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Then there'll be eventually a platform above Earth with a tether down to the Earth. | ||
| So you'd go from platform to platform. | ||
| So you wouldn't have to get through gravity every time you launch. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| So we have, like, on Earth, there's a massive tower that goes into space? | ||
| Yeah. Probably, like, I think 60 different elevators all at once. | ||
| So it'd be a huge, like, you know, football field, 10 football field size place in Mexico or something where it's close enough, right at the right position. | ||
| There's areas of Earth where geosynchronicity becomes viable. | ||
| Like, and they're usually just above and below the equator. | ||
| So, like, Mexico would be a good spot. | ||
| That's why we do our launches out of Florida. | ||
| Closer to the equator is better. | ||
| More speed. | ||
| I've been, ever since Civilization, when I saw the space elevator, it's one of the wonders you could build. | ||
| I didn't even, never heard of it. | ||
| So, we're going to do that on the moon. | ||
| My daughter is going to, I was explaining this to my wife, that one of her homeschooling assignments is going to be one hour of Civilization 4 every day. | ||
| Yeah. I heard the new one's terrible. | ||
| Leonard Nimoy explaining science and math. | ||
| To my child. | ||
| Oh, that's awesome. | ||
| The new one apparently is no good. | ||
| I was just thinking about Ashley St. Clair again. | ||
| Do you guys want to? | ||
| I feel like violating her privacy. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| We got this story from the New York Times. | ||
| What is dark woke? | ||
| Democrats are trying on a new attitude. | ||
| It's provocative, edgy, and perilously towing the line of not being too offensive. | ||
| In other words, cringe. | ||
| Cringe. Basically, the dark woke videos is literally just them cussing. | ||
| Like, because they don't understand authenticity. | ||
| Quote, Republicans have essentially put Democrats in a respectability prison, says Bavik Lathia, communications consultant and former digital director for the Wisconsin Democratic Party. | ||
| There's an extreme imbalance in strategy that allows Republicans to say stuff that really grabs voters' attention, where we're stuck saying boring pablum. | ||
| I see this as a strategic shift within the Democratic messaging. | ||
| I'm a big fan of dark woke. | ||
| Okay, let me, it's a dark woke. | ||
| Okay, let me explain something to you. | ||
| When I say something like, If I criticize Elon, Elon still follows me. | ||
| And if I criticize a prominent conservative, they just debate me. | ||
| But on the left, when you disagree with them, they destroy your life. | ||
| So that means there's more opportunity for people on the right to experiment with, to say their ideas. | ||
| Not even experiment. | ||
| But someone on the right can say something like, I think we should build an alligator moat on the border. | ||
| If a conservative came out right now and said, I'm dead serious, I want an alligator moat along the southern border. | ||
| No one's going to cancel that person. | ||
| If on the left, you said something more extreme, like we should just cut out all of the trans stuff because it's hurting us politically, they will cancel you. | ||
| This is the problem with the left, not swearing. | ||
| So now you've got all these videos where one woman's screaming, this is bullshit, and she's in Congress saying BS over and over again. | ||
| That's not authenticity. | ||
| They're trying to appear like they're normal people by swearing instead of just saying what people think. | ||
| So I've got to tell you. | ||
| When people all kind of think something and you say it, they laugh and go, yeah, I was thinking the same thing. | ||
| But if they're thinking of something and then you lie to them and then swear, they don't all of a sudden just agree with you. | ||
| One of the things that's a good point, a great point, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. | ||
| You catch more flies with shit. | ||
| That's also probably true, I think. | ||
| This is a fascinating thing about Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan's show. | ||
| I watched about an hour of it. | ||
| Jordan was saying the... | ||
| He's thinking about tyranny a lot, and he's like, what's the opposite of tyranny? | ||
| And he came up with, it's play. | ||
| It's play. | ||
| It's playing. | ||
| That's where it's consensual, and it brings about this kind of growth for people. | ||
| Kids do it. | ||
| And I think that's what's on the right in the conservative movement. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| It's playful. | ||
| Even Donald Trump is playful. | ||
| He winks and points at people. | ||
| He's not taking anything too seriously. | ||
| Like, deathly serious, of course. | ||
| Deadly serious, because it's the world. | ||
| Is prostrate in front of us Americans. | ||
| We need to help. | ||
| But they're also having fun. | ||
| And on the left, in this other environment, it's like, it's just not okay to have fun right now because everybody's hurting and we need to just suffer with me. | ||
| Bro, you need to get out of that tyrannical mindset. | ||
| They don't know how to relate. | ||
| They're just so detached from the real world that this is the kind of stuff that they come up with. | ||
| And it's usually a weird spinoff of like, Dark came from Dark Brandon. | ||
| And then they took... | ||
| Was it Dark Brandon? | ||
| Yeah. And then... | ||
| But the conservative right came up with the dark thing. | ||
| And then they took it and turned it... | ||
| Oh, Dark Mega. | ||
| It was Dark Mega. | ||
| Dark Mega. | ||
| And then it became Dark Brandon. | ||
| Yep. And they put the laser eyes on Joe Biden. | ||
| And now they're turning it into Dark Wook. | ||
| And they think that that's relatable. | ||
| Indeed it's not. | ||
| We're going to say cuss words now. | ||
| This one was popular. | ||
| Use it again. | ||
| Yeah. No, it's not. | ||
| You've got to actually play. | ||
| You've got to show that there's joy at the other side of the road, man, or no one's going to walk away. | ||
| We don't know what joy is, though. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| Like those people that are like, aren't you feeling joy? | ||
| Aren't you feeling joy? | ||
| Praise God! | ||
| This is what I was saying about Jimmy Dore in the previous segment. | ||
| He's right wing. | ||
| It's like, why is he, why are the left called Jimmy Dore right? | ||
| Because he's outside their bubble. | ||
| Because he's talking about what is true and what is not. | ||
| It's not about whether you're for laissez-faire capitalism or socialism or racial identitarianism or whatever, be it left or right or anti-white or pro-white. | ||
| It's literally, do you march in lockstep with us or not? | ||
| So to be authentic and on the right, you can literally give any opinion so long as your facts are rooted in reality because that's what tethers the right together. | ||
| Oh, yes, Trump did not say very fine people. | ||
| You know, he didn't call Nazis very fine people. | ||
| That never happened. | ||
| You can then criticize him saying, I don't think he did enough in response to this. | ||
| And the response from a conservative is going to say, well, I disagree. | ||
| I think he did what he could by condemning it and people are allowed to protest. | ||
| No, no, you're wrong. | ||
| But we agree on what the fact is. | ||
| And the fact is Trump never said that. | ||
| To the left, how do you have an authentic conversation when you have to maintain lies and everyone else knows you're lying? | ||
| You're going to come out and say Trump was wrong for saying Nazis are fine people. | ||
| And they're going to go, he never said that. | ||
| Well, you're a right wing. | ||
| Why are you defending Trump? | ||
| And it's like, because this is not true. | ||
| Well, that's what I was asking about with that first guy that was on recorded for O'Keefe Media, is when he says what he says about Trump fixing the election, or he's trying to overthrow the election, he's taking a narrative that was all agreed upon on that side. | ||
| And feeding it some more. | ||
| And that's why I'm like, do they just have a psychological thing in them that says, okay, this is the narrative now, and I will stick with it, even in personal one-on-one conversations, and we'll just keep pretending that this is the narrative. | ||
| Or, how does it get there? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| They just slide into the narrative and go. | ||
| My food from, so I'm going to defend anything you tell me to say. | ||
| This guy's just trying to get laid? | ||
| There's that too. | ||
| Yeah. Imagine talking about subverting the will of the American people and potentially committing crimes because you're trying to hook up with some chick. | ||
| Hey, baby. | ||
| That's the joke about James O'Keefe. | ||
| We always bring up, it's like, these guys think they're going to get some by going like, hey, you want to hear about some corporate malfeasance I'm involved in? | ||
| Yeah. No? | ||
| I think it's like a form of, I don't know if psychopathy is the right word, psychopathy. | ||
| It's a buzzword these days, you know, Jordan talking about psychopaths, but that... | ||
| He's just talking about Candace Owens and he's mad at it. | ||
| We've got to get into states of psychopathy to do certain behaviors like wartime, warfighting. | ||
| If you believe your neighborhood is going to be destroyed by some external tribe and they're going to kill everyone you know and you, you have to go fight them. | ||
| That's ancient history and you have to be the most ruthless, aggressive to stop it. | ||
| You've got to switch your brain and be like, they're bad. | ||
| What I am is good because it will preserve life. | ||
| Phenomenon still exists in humanity. | ||
| And I think it's showing up in people like this. | ||
| They're like, they create this narrative or narrative is foist upon them. | ||
| And then they think this good and evil binary, you know, fight or flight. | ||
| It's like a, it's a very primal. | ||
| Yeah. Well, a lot of what happened and where we're at now with stuff like this is, you mentioned Jimmy Dore. | ||
| He became right throughout COVID. | ||
| And that Nazi narrative came out. | ||
| It was hammered every day. | ||
| If you don't adhere to the COVID narrative, then you are on that side. | ||
| And that side turned into conservative right wing. | ||
| And so I can tell you from going to so many rallies and events that were against those times, those events were filled with people from every side of the coin. | ||
| And it was a mix of people. | ||
| It wasn't a conservative right event. | ||
| Democrats, libertarians, we're coming together for a common cause. | ||
| But the left is dictating who, or in this context, the left is dictating who is and is not a right-wing, and essentially they're just saying that it's people that don't align with us, that don't follow our, whether it be the liberal orthodoxy like Tim talks about, | ||
| whether it's the... | ||
| They don't follow the same kind of lockstep with the same kind of ideas and stuff. | ||
| That's why you saw people at these rallies that were so very different, you know. | ||
| Politically, from different backgrounds, it was just someone that stepped out of line. | ||
| And so now Jimmy Dore steps out of line, so they say, you're other, you're outside of, you're not in our in-group anymore, so we'll call you all the names. | ||
| But there's no substance to anything they're talking about. | ||
| So the question is, where does that come from? | ||
| What's the genesis of that, when those narratives come through? | ||
| Who came up with woke, dark, what is this, dark, woke? | ||
| Someone who's an idiot. | ||
| That came from somewhere, though, right? | ||
| It came from the Dark Brandon memes. | ||
| Apparently they feel like that worked. | ||
| It's just derivative. | ||
| It was Dark MAGA and it was Trump with glowing red eyes. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, well, we're Dark Brandon. | ||
| And now it's Dark Woke. | ||
| They're just ripping off the right every day. | ||
| What people need to realize is that the left didn't know how to meme. | ||
| Like, when memes emerged, it was all right-wing. | ||
| Because right-wing people didn't care about offending anybody. | ||
| To a certain degree, that Democrats were too afraid to offend people. | ||
| So this means that online, people were making Pepe memes, and some were extremely offensive intentionally, and people thought it was funny to be shockingly offensive. | ||
| And the left was like, we can't do that. | ||
| We can't do that. | ||
| So then all the memes started emerging, came out of 4chan, and the Donald was the name of the subreddit. | ||
| That's where memes were largely originating from. | ||
| The left has started to learn how to meme a little bit by attacking the right. | ||
| But it is derivative of memes the right created a long time ago. | ||
| Like Wojax, for instance, were a 4chan thing largely, and they're now trying to adopt that. | ||
| It's all derivative. | ||
| They can't come up with anything original. | ||
| They are NPC Muppets that are struggling to figure out what they represent. | ||
| And that's why the party has no leadership. | ||
| Yeah, if you ask someone to prove some of the stuff they say about Trump, and their evidence is the TV told me. | ||
| That's not very good. | ||
| And I think what's happening is they're defending what they think is the American way of life, whatever. | ||
| They think that if we just hold on to this narrative that we're being told, everything will continue on as normal. | ||
| But do you think we can have American hegemony, or maybe even should, in a world where we don't control and manipulate people with the media aggressively like they have been for 100 years? | ||
| Can we? | ||
| A genuine question to all you guys. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Without manipulating the populace to fall in line, can you actually have statehood hegemony? | ||
| Well, you need—it used to be church. | ||
| The church was largely aligned, and everybody went to church, so they lived in a similar moral worldview. | ||
| Now, with mass media, you had the big broadcast towers, and everyone lived in a similar moral worldview. | ||
| There were a lot of voices and dissidents. | ||
| They just didn't have an opportunity to broadcast. | ||
| They'd flyer and stuff. | ||
| But now we're in the decentralized media space, and creepos and crackpots are finding— Ways to build community and spread a message that is disruptive to the United States. | ||
| The problem the U.S. has is that, you know, when we were hearing about this narrative about Russia and how it was propping up Trump in this first term, largely not true. | ||
| And I'd say, arguing based on the evidence from the DOJ and all that stuff that the Democrats were putting out, $100,000 in total was spent on trying to influence various people and they had a few Facebook pages that weren't particularly successful. | ||
| However... I think if you were to actually break it down... | ||
| And you went to, like, Hassan Piker, for instance. | ||
| I'd be willing to bet he has a larger percentage of foreign followers than, say, Stephen Crowder does. | ||
| Stephen Crowder's followers are probably almost entirely American. | ||
| And Hassan probably has a decent spattering of European, Canadian, Middle Eastern followers as well. | ||
| Especially with the Israel commentary that he has, I'd be willing to bet that he's got a substantial portion of his viewerships coming from the Middle East. | ||
| From, like, Arabic and Muslim. | ||
| Hassan is his name, which may, he's Turkish, I think, descent. | ||
| So maybe there's that too. | ||
| Total assumption. | ||
| Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. | ||
| He's Turkish. | ||
| Let's jump to this clip, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I have bad news. | ||
| I'm a freak. | ||
| I'm a freak. | ||
| Scott Jennings has the clip. | ||
| He says, Well, normally I wouldn't want to watch CNN, | ||
| but Jeff Jarvis, who I know... | ||
| Who is, I would consider him to be an ideological-driven individual, an activist, masquerading as a journalist, is calling the White House press a freak show the night that I, the day that I went there, he goes on TV and then says it's a freak show. | ||
| Here's the clip. | ||
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The problem is that the right wing, hello Scott, has taken advantage of this situation, I think, quite cleverly, quite wisely. | |
| They've played into a weakness. | ||
| What situation? | ||
|
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The situation of media being under attack. | |
| And so they've created a situation where... | ||
| You've almost got it. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| What the right wing is taking advantage of is finally the American people saying enough is enough. | ||
| They're tired of feeling like the mass media screens out one viewpoint. | ||
| Versus another in political coverage. | ||
| They're tired of media institutions favoring one party over another. | ||
| They're tired of narratives over factual stories. | ||
| If I had any advice for 60 Minutes or anybody else, it would be just cover the news and try to be fair about it and stop putting your finger on the scale, especially during... | ||
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You're talking about the old mass media myth. | |
| That you could have this thing that was in the middle. | ||
| The Walter Cronkite saying, that's the way it is, when it wasn't for many Americans the way it was. | ||
| When people were pissed off. | ||
| People back in those days trusted the media, did they not? | ||
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No, they just couldn't be heard. | |
| Because there was no two-way. | ||
| Now we have the internet, and now we can talk. | ||
| Look at the Gallup polling. | ||
| It was here, and now it's here. | ||
| It's fallen off of a cliff. | ||
| Yeah, we do have that Gallup polling about trust in media. | ||
| And now, as in recent years... | ||
| Let's be honest, Scott, a lot of this is driven by the rhetoric on either side of the aisle. | ||
| You think it's driven by the rhetoric and not the performance? | ||
| Absolutely. Well, I actually agree with Heavy Phillips, it's driven by the rhetoric, the rhetoric of truth. | ||
| When you're saying things like the very fine people hoax, it was a hoax, Trump never said that. | ||
| We had a journalist on the show just a couple days ago, Tara Palmieri, who after 10 years, it's been 8 years, she still didn't know this. | ||
| Trump never called Nazis very fine people. | ||
| She thought he did. | ||
| Now, I would simply question... | ||
| With that information, she pushed back on the idea that there was anyone there worth defending. | ||
| I question why someone purported to be a journalist never actually watched the video or read the transcript. | ||
| She just believed it. | ||
| If you don't know it's there, you don't even know how to look for it. | ||
| Scott, what do you mean? | ||
| If someone says to me, Tim, did you hear that Trump punched a baby? | ||
| I'll say, prove it. | ||
| I'll say, show me the video, show me the transcript, and I want sources. | ||
| I will literally say, source, where are you getting that from? | ||
| I want evidence that happened. | ||
| So on this show, we do our best, but nobody's perfect. | ||
| And I'll even give that credit to corporations. | ||
| Sometimes they get things wrong unintentionally. | ||
| They largely intentionally make things false. | ||
| The Covington smear. | ||
| Not a single one of these people decided to actually look at what happened with the Covington kids. | ||
| And we're going back, wait, years. | ||
| But now the Maryland man hopes. | ||
| I gotta talk about that. | ||
| Okay, I see both sides of this Maryland man thing. | ||
| If I moved to California and some shit went down. | ||
| Ian, where are you from? | ||
| Ohio. But I'm from Maryland because I live in Maryland. | ||
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No, you're not. | |
| You're not from Maryland. | ||
| If someone asked me, where are you from? | ||
| If I was in Germany and they're like, where are you from? | ||
| I'd say Maryland. | ||
| No, you wouldn't. | ||
| Because that's where I came from. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Because I moved around so much, I would tell people, I'm from L.A. when I lived in L.A. When they would ask, where are you from? | ||
| I'm from L.A. I've been there seven years. | ||
| You are one of the raider people who does that. | ||
| If I went to California and there was an article written and something happened and they were like, California man, something, something. | ||
| Yeah, that's the meme. | ||
| You can move to Florida? | ||
| You're a Florida man. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Anyway, that's the state of mind. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| You can write it up as such if I'm residing in there. | ||
| Yes, if you're lying to people. | ||
| Well, these people, this guy's an El Salvadorian and they're intentionally trying to spin it like he's an American Maryland dude. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| So they're intentionally lying. | ||
| They're pushing a hoax. | ||
| And Hassan Piker, did you notice? | ||
| Hassan did not know the guy was from El Salvador. | ||
| One of the most prominent leftist streamers speaking to millions of people and in his mind. | ||
| He saw CNN. | ||
| He saw ABC. | ||
| He saw his outlets. | ||
| And he was like, this guy's from Maryland. | ||
| I can't believe Trump would deport him. | ||
| I would be as mad at Trump as he was if I thought Trump took a guy from Maryland and sent him to a foreign country. | ||
| That's not what happened. | ||
| It should have said El Salvadorian man residing in Maryland. | ||
| It should have said that. | ||
| That's what the New York Times said today. | ||
| And I said, thank you. | ||
| Despite the fact that they're lying about everything else. | ||
| So it's like the whole thing. | ||
| They're like, we weren't lying. | ||
| He was residing in Maryland. | ||
| Therefore, Maryland, man, I get it. | ||
| But you were intentional. | ||
| This was a thing about a guy that was deported to El Salvador and he was El Salvadorian. | ||
| You can't leave that out. | ||
| Trump, with a heart twice as big, he brought up Gregor Garcia home. | ||
| Thank you, Trump. | ||
| Thank you for letting me. | ||
| Let me play the rest of this clip because Jarvis calls us freaks. | ||
| CBS or any other news outlet. | ||
| The reason that you have lost trust ought to be obvious to you. | ||
| And the way to fix it also ought to be obvious to you. | ||
| And it has nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with the product. | ||
| Just try to make a better product that appeals to more people. | ||
| And the way you appeal to more people is by not crapping on half or more than half of the country because of their values and political views. | ||
| I think that that is... | ||
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What you'd end up with in that press room then is, and these are my words, the freak show that you had Trump once. | |
| Trump tries to devalue media. | ||
| Why should we value his freak show there? | ||
| Let's leave it to the freaks. | ||
| Leave it to the freaks. | ||
| I don't think there's any disagreement on that, by the way. | ||
| I mean, he called these new media sources the freak show. | ||
| They're not freaks. | ||
| They have audiences. | ||
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Some of them are. | |
| They have audiences, and there's a reason that they're thriving is because people are starved for information that they think they can trust. | ||
| They're not freaks. | ||
| They're filling a need in this country, in my opinion. | ||
| He said they're freaks. | ||
| So why do these freaks have more viewership, further reach? | ||
| It's because that is the elitist disdain they have for each and every one of you. | ||
| To those of you who are loyal viewers of Timcast IRL, I saw many of you were posting messages thanking me for being there and congratulating me for being there. | ||
| Some people were saying, how dare you, Tim, not wear a suit? | ||
| I got those messages too. | ||
| But the people who watch the show watch it because you trust us. | ||
| Like Scott Jennings says, we fill a need. | ||
| This show only has an audience because we must be doing something right. | ||
| We have made a good product. | ||
| I read the news all day every day. | ||
| I do a morning show. | ||
| If I don't do the morning show, I don't got nothing for the nightly show. | ||
| It's very hard to do Timcast IRL because the pre-production and research is my morning show. | ||
| I read hundreds of articles every day. | ||
| I'm reading tweets. | ||
| I'm watching videos. | ||
| I'm fact-checking things. | ||
| And then when it comes to Timcast IRL, I largely have read everything in the day, and I have a general idea of what these stories are. | ||
| Jeff Jarvis doesn't do anything. | ||
| He's a professor at a university. | ||
| He doesn't actually work in media and he's calling all of us freaks. | ||
| The people in that room are uncurious. | ||
| They don't fact check. | ||
| They don't know that Trump never called Nazis very fine people. | ||
| They don't know that Abrego Garcia is from El Salvador. | ||
| And they don't bother to investigate. | ||
| And I'll say this too. | ||
| As much as a lot of people were very much entertained by Attar's appearance. | ||
| And I very much enjoyed the conversation and the arguments and the debate. | ||
| She did not know what was in the Signalgate texts, okay? | ||
| Her understanding of these stories as a Brooklyn-based journalist is surface level. | ||
| We've gone over those texts thousands of times. | ||
| Like, not literally thousands, you know what I mean. | ||
| We've done the stories over and over and over again. | ||
| So when I'm having a conversation about them, I'm like, I think I had to read those things like 15 times within an hour. | ||
| From sourcing the story and trying to understand it, to reading it during the show, to sharing with other people, to explaining to those who are going to be editing or putting clips together or something like that, what part of it. | ||
| I'm reading the text over and over and over again. | ||
| And so when it comes to a conversation, I'm like, I know what's in those texts. | ||
| I know it was said. | ||
| I could probably paraphrase each text. | ||
| I've read it so much. | ||
| These journalists that are in the White House, they show up and their editor's like, ask her about this and they go, okay. | ||
| And then they don't even know what they're talking about. | ||
| That's normal to these people. | ||
| But when anybody with an opposing viewpoint is finally let in, to the elites, it's a freak show. | ||
| But I would like to say this. | ||
| I want to give a heartfelt thank you to Jeff Jarvis for everything he's done to help me in my career. | ||
| The advice he had given me at the start of my career was invaluable. | ||
| His invitation to the Knight Foundation award ceremony at CUNY was an honor, and I will never forget that moment. | ||
| Jeff, if it wasn't for you, this wouldn't be possible. | ||
| That day I sat in the White House was thanks to you. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I'd like to see that guy here, and just to let him say it. | ||
| Well, firstly, when you're talking about journalism, not all journalists are researchers, and that's sorely lacking in this industry at the moment, I believe. | ||
| A lot of journalists will just repeat things that they see. | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| That's not research. | ||
| But understand what you just said. | ||
| I could just pick up a journal and start journaling, and then all of a sudden I'm a journalist? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| But you've got to do research. | ||
| Journalist, literally in the name, represents those who are writing things down, storing facts, and keeping journals, logs of what is going on. | ||
| That's not what journalists do anymore. | ||
| Well, it'll be like, I saw it on TV, and then they'll write it down, and then they'll say it as if it's real without actually researching where the TV heard it. | ||
| You know, you've got to go deep if you want to, with confidence, explain. | ||
| Yeah, but why would they do that? | ||
| Because what they're going after is clicks. | ||
| You know, that's their problem right now, is that they're after whatever can generate them their ad rev, right? | ||
| So that's why they don't bother looking back. | ||
| It's whatever the headline says to generate those ad rev clicks. | ||
| I mean, that's totally true, but what they're actually looking for is some kind of inflammatory headline that will, just like you said, generate clicks, but also will satisfy their... | ||
| The preconceptions of their viewership. | ||
| Their viewership, they know what they're looking for. | ||
| CNN knows exactly what their viewers want, the viewership that they've built. | ||
| Same thing with MSNBC, same thing with Fox. | ||
| And they make sure that their stories are going to feed people what they want to hear. | ||
| Yeah, and the question is, where does the genesis of each one of those little narratives come from? | ||
| Because at some point it slips in, and then the monster grabs a hole. | ||
| But even in this clip with this guy here, what you're watching is a little football match, right? | ||
| We have one person on offense from the other side, and he put them in their place pretty good. | ||
| But they have no willingness to say to themselves, you know what, maybe we did... | ||
| Mess up a little bit along the way. | ||
| You heard her. | ||
| She goes, you know, and it's all because of you guys. | ||
| And that's the problem every single time. | ||
| It's never, nobody in the media is willing to do that. | ||
| In their minds, they're thinking, if you would just shut up and let us lie, they'd have no choice but to watch. | ||
| That's how they think. | ||
| You know, there was a time when the narrative spread by the news, even Fox News included. | ||
| It was all essentially the same narrative, right? | ||
| Like the Iraq War, like going into the Iraq War. | ||
| It was the same stuff from 2000 until probably 2008-9. | ||
| It was the same thing from basically every news channel. | ||
| And now you got the people are in. | ||
| That was when we were just being fed news until Internet video. | ||
| And now we're feeding it as well. | ||
| And that's, I guess, the freaky part. | ||
| Yeah, we're the media. | ||
| This is media. | ||
| YouTube's the biggest news media channel in the world. | ||
| So let's stop talking about people who can't get any ratings and talk about people who do. | ||
| We got this tweet from the Vigilant Fox. | ||
| Jordan Peterson just dropped a chilling warning. | ||
| Psychopaths are taking over the right. | ||
| Let me play this clip for you from the Joe Rogan experience where Jordan Peterson warns Pharisees, psychopaths. | ||
| He's talking about Candace Owens, but listen to what he says. | ||
| I think that virtualization has enabled the psychopaths. | ||
| Without a doubt. | ||
| Yeah, well... | ||
| Without a doubt. | ||
| That's a terrible thing, because the psychopathic types, they're always the death of everything. | ||
| I'm seeing this come up on the right now. | ||
| So imagine this. | ||
| I've been working on a new... | ||
| theory of political psychopathology, and I like it quite a lot. | ||
| Is this where the term the woke right comes in? | ||
| Yeah, well, Lindsay is pointing at that, but he hasn't got the diagnosis exactly right. | ||
| So, it isn't woke. | ||
| That's not the issue. | ||
| It's not exactly... | ||
| I think what they're talking about is like similar types of behavior. | ||
| He is talking about that. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Woke just lets you clarify in your head, oh, it's like that. | ||
| Yeah, but the problem is... | ||
| It's like Antifa. | ||
| Absolutely. But the problem is that That argument is predicated on the claim that the ideas are the problem, like the woke ideas. | ||
| For example, on the right or the left. | ||
| But that's not the problem. | ||
| The problem is that 4-5% of the population, something like that, is cluster B, that's the DSM. | ||
| Five terms. | ||
| Histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic. | ||
| And they have dark tetrad traits. | ||
| They're Machiavellian. | ||
| They're sadistic. | ||
| That's about 4%. | ||
| Okay, so the question is, how do these people maneuver? | ||
| And the answer is, they go to where the power is. | ||
| And they adopt those ideas, and they put themselves even on the forefront of that. | ||
| But the ideas are completely irrelevant. | ||
| All they're doing is, they're the Pharisees, they're the modern version of the Pharisees. | ||
| They're the people who use God's name in vain, right? | ||
| As they proclaim moral virtue, doesn't matter whether it's right or left or Christian or Jewish or Islam, they invade the idea space, and then they use those ideas as... | ||
| false weapons to advance their narcissistic advantage. | ||
| And so then you have the problem and the right's gonna face this more and more particularly because the left had to face | ||
| So the interesting thing is... | ||
| What he's describing has been described by many people going back like 10 years ago when we had conversations about the corporate press, that activists masquerading as journalists was the phrase that I used a long time ago. | ||
| These are people who are politically motivated, and they are using the institutions of journalism to advance their political goals, exactly as Jordan Peterson describes. | ||
| However, the issue I take with what he's doing is he's really just beefing with Candace Owens. | ||
| Here's a tweet from a month ago where he said, Candace Owens is a true pharicycle pretender. | ||
| She vociferously proclaims her devotion to Christ for no other reason than to elevate her perceived status. | ||
| Her outrage is designed not to shout the truth from the rooftops, build bridges or make peace, but to subvert Christianity itself with its new force to her own purpose. | ||
| She is literally using God. | ||
| There are few more unforgivable sins. | ||
| Yeah, and I think what he's saying is if Candace were to make a post, and I was going to go through her stuff and look for a moment that maybe she did this, a post that's full of vitriol, anger at someone, and then finish that text off with, and by the way, Christ is king. | ||
| It's like, that's using the Lord's name in vain. | ||
| Don't do evil and then exclaim God. | ||
| Except she doesn't do that. | ||
| Yeah, that's why I wanted to go through this conversation a while ago, because Jordan Peterson, along with some other experts, dropped this report where they were like, look at the people who use Crisis King as a troll or whatever. | ||
| And they included. | ||
| I would argue that if he's referring to her as a powerful psychopath who is able to amass this I genuinely think | ||
| she just believes it, and she tweets it on her posts. | ||
| The issue I see here is that Jordan Peterson is veiling his anger with Candace Owens in some, we have to be mad at all the psychopaths on Joe Rogan to create this new narrative. | ||
| And it's a part of—he appeared on Fox News saying something similar, where they've got this report that I've heard—I think Jack Posobo was tweeting this, I should pull it up—that they're working with the Anti-Defamation League. | ||
| And they're—he's—I tweeted, who are you talking about? | ||
| Because if Jordan Peterson really is just mad at Candace Owens and believes she's a Pharisee— Then I take issue with him going on Joe Rogan and saying, watch out for all these psychopaths who do these things. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, you're literally just describing your tweet to Candace Owens. | ||
| I think it's important to realize that every human has a psychopathic tendency and potential to act without the concern of others. | ||
| What you do may have collateral damage, harm others, and it just doesn't matter because you've got to get it done. | ||
| That's like wartime mentality. | ||
| You can switch into a psychopathic mentality. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It doesn't make you an evil person. | ||
| Sometimes people... | ||
| Extol psychopathic behaviors, and they're not evil. | ||
| They just do it, and it's like, I need to know when I'm doing it personally, so I keep myself in check. | ||
| And I think he's coming on being like, look, you guys have all the power right now. | ||
| And do not let obsession with fame force you into something, start talking about something you're not interested in, and then all of a sudden now, this is your big agenda, and now you're popular. | ||
| Like he said, it's not about the what, it's about how people hijack the narrative for their own, what he said, narcissistic, which is where it's really about, you know, me. | ||
| And how can I get society to serve me? | ||
| That behavior, we all got to keep ourselves in check. | ||
| I don't have a great analysis of actually what Peterson's getting at, but I don't get the sense that it's just about Candace Owens. | ||
| I think that he's speaking more broadly about the people that tend to be critical of Israel and stuff. | ||
| But again, I don't have some kind of overarching theory as to what he's getting at. | ||
| I just think that he's... | ||
| He's usually—he's been fairly good at articulating his position and being forthright about what he's saying. | ||
| So I don't get the sense that he's kind of hiding behind just saying, oh, you know, talking about psychopaths meaning one specific person. | ||
| I think he's probably thinking more broadly. | ||
| He did bring up the Israel stuff. | ||
| Anti-Semitism he brought up is like one of the— But he did bring that up. | ||
| We should have him on. | ||
| He said he wanted to come do the show. | ||
| Cernovich took a quote from Oren McIntyre, and it's a great point. | ||
| He says, Peterson is correct that as the right gains momentum, the truly power-obsessed narcissists will move there. | ||
| I wonder if there's a group of high-status liberals who have made that journey recently and are now trying to take that power. | ||
| Quote from Oren McIntyre. | ||
| Got names of people that come to mind, but I don't know, Gavin. | ||
| I think that he's talking about the IDW people. | ||
| Indeed he is. | ||
| I was thinking of Chris Cuomo. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Indirectly. Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Okay, so Chris Cuomo fits the description, but I think that they were specifically thinking of the actual IDW people. | ||
| The question is, largely, when did an individual shift their political views? | ||
| So you have that woman, I forgot her name, was it Lindy Lee or something? | ||
| Is that the woman? | ||
| Where she was like a Democrat fundraiser, and then after Trump lost, she immediately was like, I'm not a Democrat anymore. | ||
| And now she got roasted by Wade Stotts on The Will Cain Show, which was absolutely hilarious. | ||
| But she's like a lifelong Democrat. | ||
| And then she voted for Kamala. | ||
| And then afterwards, the criticism is there were people who are diehard, you know, ride or die Democrat, liberals. | ||
| Or how about this? | ||
| He's probably referring to Eric Weinstein, who refused to endorse Trump, saying, oh, woe is me. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| Trump is so bad. | ||
| And then there were people who very early on were. | ||
| There were two spaces of which obviously I fall into one of them, which is the stop making me defend Trump. | ||
| This was the period where it was like, I'm not a big fan of his policies, but you're lying about him. | ||
| Stop lying about the guy. | ||
| And then I was backing Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang. | ||
| And when they lost, I said that I'm voting for Trump. | ||
| But there are some people that only after Trump won in November did they actually switch and say they were for Trump. | ||
| But more importantly, There are a prominent group of liberal personalities who pretend like they are anti-establishment or heterodox but refuse to endorse Trump or call out the Democratic Party for their ridiculous ideologies like sex-changing kids or all that stuff. | ||
| Jordan Peterson is being effectively criticized in that regard for essentially being part of that group. | ||
| You're saying that in addition to what he's talking about, he's also being criticized for... | ||
| R.N. McIntyre's post. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| When he says, I wonder if there's a group of high-status liberals who have made that journey. | ||
| What he's pointing out is that Peterson is saying on the Joe Rogan podcast, as the right becomes ascendant, psychopaths will seek to move into the right to gain political power. | ||
| Probably why Bill Maher all of a sudden was like, you know, Trump's not that bad. | ||
| I mean, he's not perfect, but maybe I was wrong. | ||
| Charlemagne and the gods are the same thing. | ||
| You know, maybe Trump's not a fascist. | ||
| It's like, uh-oh, we realized that we were on the wrong side of history. | ||
| Better flip-flop, maybe. | ||
| But a lot of people, too, are just realizing the problem was the deep state, you know, takeover of the U.S., and they're like, actually, I'm with Trump now. | ||
| And you think just on November 6th they just had the epiphany? | ||
| That would be a weird day to have it. | ||
| Indeed. So what I think is most of these people were like, I'm going to wait and see who wins and then back the winner. | ||
| Yeah. And there were other people who came out and said, I'll stick my neck out and support what I think is right. | ||
| Those people that are like falsely, that jump ship, that's a little different. | ||
| I think that might be a psychopathic behavior trait. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I don't know enough about it. | ||
| Hence the point that Oren McIntyre is flipping onto Peterson what Peterson is saying about Candace Owens. | ||
| Now, we can discuss Candace Owens' past. | ||
| She was, like, a liberal a long time ago. | ||
| But then she... | ||
| She was a red pill black. | ||
| That was her... | ||
| A long time ago, yeah. | ||
| And I guess people... | ||
| She had been accused of, like, doxing conservatives or something. | ||
| But then she had a moment where she flipped, she explained it, and she's been steadfastly on the right for, what, like, eight years or something or longer. | ||
| She's been... | ||
| She's had a prominent show, and she largely says what she says. | ||
| And I gotta be honest, she gets roasted for a lot of the opinions she has, which are... | ||
| Anything but standard, I'll call it that. | ||
| Yeah. She's got like, for real. | ||
| Yeah. Well, I know that's funny. | ||
| But she's got opinions that are not like typical mainstream safe opinions to have. | ||
| She just does her thing. | ||
| And criticize her, totally fine. | ||
| You're allowed to do that. | ||
| Jordan Peterson is basically pointing to himself in this regard. | ||
| Now, I like Jordan. | ||
| I think he's an all right dude. | ||
| But I think it is fair to point out that a lot of these IDW guys would not get behind Trump with full support, argued against him. | ||
| And are trying to pretend like they're on our side. | ||
| I mean, look, I'm not so sure that this revolt hasn't much to do with Trump. | ||
| I think that they probably have an idea of what is acceptable politics and they think that Trump kind of falls outside of it. | ||
| They have their problems with the left or with Democrats and so they've... | ||
| But they don't feel comfortable, you know, aligning with Trump because they say that Trump – or they feel like Trump is unacceptable. | ||
| I think that's probably an uncontroversial opinion to have. | ||
| Not about Trump. | ||
| I'm talking about the analysis. | ||
| But I don't know – I don't know if it's something that is, you know, particularly broad or if it's just a very narrow handful of people that it kind of doesn't really matter. | ||
| I felt that. | ||
| Personally, I felt that. | ||
| I talked about it on the show last year that it was like, man, if I just start talking about that I'm going to vote for Trump, it's going to piss a bunch of people off from my past. | ||
| And then I had to just get over it. | ||
| I had to get over it. | ||
| You got to be, you know, you got to care about the community first and not my personal. | ||
| That's really the concern that I've seen from a lot of conservatives. | ||
| The question is, were you willing to stick your neck out even a little bit to get behind what is right? | ||
| Yeah. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. Right. | ||
| Because you and I agree this is the right thing to do, but you won't take any risks, then you deserve nothing. | ||
| Yeah. I had a lot of experience with that throughout COVID with musicians writing me. | ||
| Thanks for speaking up. | ||
| I'm on your side of things. | ||
| I just don't want to lose my gig. | ||
| It's like watching somebody get their ass kicked and you're like, hey man. | ||
| Thanks for taking the beating for me. | ||
| Them calling you on the phone, be like, thanks for inviting me over tonight, man. | ||
| I had a great time. | ||
| We're talking on the phone, dude. | ||
| You're not even here. | ||
| Do you think that what we see with that adherence to what we were talking about earlier with the left, if you stray from their narrative, then you're out. | ||
| Is that happening on the right? | ||
| Because I think it is. | ||
| I see it happening a lot. | ||
| I see it a little bit sometimes. | ||
| The right has their, like, heavy-handed moments, but it's rare relative to the left. | ||
| There's also, like, concentric circles of beliefs within this sphere, because that leftism thing is a very small bubble, and outside of it is this greater cause of reality and people that think that, you know... | ||
| Israel is the biggest problem in the world, and then people that think that climate change is the biggest or whatever, I'm just naming random things, but then if you disagree within those circles, you might be ejected from that immediate community. | ||
| Because the right is a coalition of various factions, there's no real right to be ejected from. | ||
| However, the left is homogenous. | ||
| So if you were a liberal personality with a big following on YouTube... | ||
| And you said something like, I really do think the trans movement is harming our ability to win politically and we're sacrificing populist issues for this small faction of people. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| You are gone. | ||
| You're now conservative right. | ||
| No, not even. | ||
| You're far right. | ||
| You better start your own podcast. | ||
| You're far right. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| And you'll lose everything. | ||
| So they don't deviate. | ||
| And that's why a lot of these liberals, they're in a hard position. | ||
| Because my view of Luke Beasley, for instance, Is that he knows the liberal issues he's wrong about. | ||
| They're factually incorrect. | ||
| But he can't say it because he would just lose followers. | ||
| So it's like he's a young guy. | ||
| He's got a big YouTube platform. | ||
| When he looks into these things, he goes, oh, that's not true. | ||
| Oh, man, could you imagine that kind of stress to realize it and be like, oh, my God, I've got a million people that have been following this narrative and it's not real. | ||
| And if you say it's not real, they will all attack you, destroy your life. | ||
| You'll be in the poorhouse overnight. | ||
| And even less is like they just stop watching. | ||
| The thing is, he'd get a huge new audience, you know, so it's not... | ||
| No, he wouldn't. | ||
| It wouldn't be right away, but he's really smart. | ||
| I like that guy. | ||
| The right is going to, would likely say, why watch you? | ||
| You've been wrong about everything. | ||
| You just figured it out. | ||
| Well, Dan Bongino knew it the whole time. | ||
| What? I'll watch him instead. | ||
| Because he's able to agree about that. | ||
| I'm not using it as an example, because he's gone. | ||
| I think that the right, though, looks for reformed leftists, and they really cheer that on. | ||
| When you see somebody from Hollywood, and they all of a sudden are saying something that... | ||
| You know, many of us may have been saying for a good while. | ||
| The conservative movement tends to, or the right, whatever you want to call it, everybody outside of the left, they tend to absorb it. | ||
| Yeah, but I think it's because if someone comes from Hollywood and then starts saying, look, I've seen the light, I'm converting or whatever, you're hearing an expert from the inside explain to you all the bad things they're doing, effectively blowing the whistle. | ||
| They're telling you. | ||
| And it's similar for liberals, former conservatives, which are rare, but... | ||
| This is totally fake in my opinion. | ||
| You have people, well, like Hunter Avalon is a good example. | ||
| Like, oh no, I was so wrong. | ||
| I can't believe I believed those things. | ||
| And then they say, see, now you can tell us. | ||
| And then they use that as an expert testimony of why I believed the things I did. | ||
| The problem with the left is that they're just factually wrong about everything. | ||
| You know, so you're in trouble if you're a media personality on the left because you're like, you could literally Google search the story and go, whoa, he was from El Salvador? | ||
| What is this document? | ||
| He admitted he came illegally, and he admitted he was removable. | ||
| He's not a Maryland man. | ||
| Gonna lie anyway, otherwise I'll lose my followers. | ||
| Okay, this is a big leap, and we don't need to go into this, but on the right, I feel like that version of that, where they're like, I saw it on TV, therefore it's real, I'm gonna regurgitate, is like, I read it in a 2,000-year-old document, I'm gonna regurgitate it if it's real. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| The Bible, the Christian Bible. | ||
| How can you verify? | ||
| The authenticity of that, I can't. | ||
| You can't? | ||
| No, no one can. | ||
| Because it's a 2,000-year-old text. | ||
| No one can... | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| If CNN came on... | ||
| You're conflating some very different things. | ||
| How can I verify it? | ||
| You're conflating some very different things because the fact is the right isn't just Christian. | ||
| Exactly. So when we're talking about the left and their adherence to an orthodoxy, which is false, and then you bring up Christianity specifically, it just sounds like you're insulting Christians. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Anybody that believes faith without evidence is, like, I think is a problem. | ||
| But you see, you're entering seventh grade. | ||
| Oh, you have blind faith? | ||
| You have actual evidential faith? | ||
| You have all sorts of different types of faith? | ||
| Blind faith is a problem. | ||
| And you are asking like a 16-year-old's introduction to philosophy question about what is to know. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
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What? I brought my Bible. | |
| When you're an adolescent human being studying basic concepts of philosophy... | ||
| One of the first things you ask, or you are asked is, what is knowledge? | ||
| How do you know what you know? | ||
| And then you learn the famous quote, the only thing that I know is that I know nothing. | ||
| So when you say to people, why do you just believe in the Bible? | ||
| The same question is asked to you. | ||
| What makes you think oxygen is real? | ||
| You read it in a book and you just believe it. | ||
| You're believing things without doing an investigation or checking the evidence. | ||
| I'll take the scientific method over a 2,000-year-old book and also take the scientific method over something CNN tells me. | ||
| When have you done it? | ||
| Done what? | ||
| When have you actually looked through an electron microscope to check to see if there's oxygen? | ||
| I'd love to do that. | ||
| You'd love to, but you haven't, right? | ||
| Ozone, dude. | ||
| It's three O's. | ||
| It's the only element with its own zone. | ||
| Ian, have you ever looked through an electron microscope at a one-dimensional... | ||
| I've never looked through an electron microscope. | ||
| So then how do you know graphene's real? | ||
| I trust the scientific method. | ||
| That's my faith in evidence. | ||
| You've never done the scientific proof, you could say. | ||
| It's proof. | ||
| When? When have you proved it? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| The scientific community before me... | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| Richard Feynman. | ||
| Who else? | ||
| Thousands and thousands of people have claimed evidence of oxygen's existence. | ||
| And you've seen it? | ||
| I've listened to the evidence from people that have done the research for... | ||
| I've listened to the evidence from people who said that Jesus walked on water. | ||
| The evidence from the people, they said they read it in a book that it happened. | ||
| That's like saying the evidence from the people that were on CNN saying that it happened. | ||
| No, I met someone who said they had a vision. | ||
| God told them it happened. | ||
| Okay, if a guy said he had a vision of something on CNN, I still wouldn't believe him. | ||
| You are choosing to believe people who haven't shown you any evidence. | ||
| No, the opposite. | ||
| I do not believe things without evidence. | ||
| When have you seen the evidence of graphene? | ||
| Um... Never. | ||
| All over the internet? | ||
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You've never seen it? | |
| I mean, you want to... | ||
| You've never seen it. | ||
| That's evidence of graphene. | ||
| When you look on papers and you read about it and you look at imagery of it online, that's all evidence. | ||
| What do you think the Bible's made of? | ||
| Paper. Yeah, and what's in the Bible? | ||
| There's words? | ||
| That's the same kind of evidence that you're talking about giving you evidence for graphene. | ||
| I'm talking about the scientific method. | ||
| You literally just said... | ||
| You did not do it! | ||
| I know. | ||
| You don't need a scientist to believe in the scientific method. | ||
| And you don't need a Bible to believe in Jesus. | ||
| I require evidence. | ||
| Some evidence. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| Evidence-based, leading towards proof. | ||
| No, Ian, you don't. | ||
| In order to believe it, I cannot force myself to believe something I have no evidence for. | ||
| It's impossible for me. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Or it's very, very, very difficult to snap that. | ||
| That's false. | ||
| You know, I know. | ||
| Because you've never done an experiment to prove the existence of graphene. | ||
| That's because there's scientists that do that work for us. | ||
| You don't want every farmer to have to go look through an electron microscope. | ||
| There are priests and bishops and cardinals who tell us about Jesus and Christianity. | ||
| They don't have electron microscopes. | ||
| Neither do you. | ||
| And how do you know they do? | ||
| They don't. | ||
| They told me they have prophets. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| A guy told him. | ||
| And a guy told you? | ||
| Are you saying that this is actual evidence that you would do a journalistic endeavor with? | ||
| I'm saying, Ian. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| You have never actually done any experiments, and what you believe is based on someone telling you, trust me, and you're saying yes. | ||
| It's not random dude being like, hey, there's this thing, dude, trust me. | ||
| It's the scientific community. | ||
| And the theological community. | ||
| Those are the same people that said that the COVID shot was going to work, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Or that lockdown to slow the spread? | ||
| Or that double masking made sense? | ||
| That's not who I follow when I'm talking about drafting. | ||
| You're talking about Anthony Fauci? | ||
| Let's just pause real quick. | ||
| I'm just going to say this because there's no reason to go in circles over and over again. | ||
| I didn't even want to bring it up to go too deep. | ||
| It's just that people that believe things without evidential proof is fucking annoying, man. | ||
| Like you. | ||
| You have to play both sides of reality. | ||
| Like you. | ||
| You are the perfect example of a person who believes whatever bullshit they heard from someone on the internet. | ||
| Totally untrue, man. | ||
| Why do you think I'm sitting here? | ||
| You've never seen graphene. | ||
| You've never tested it. | ||
| You've never looked at an electron microscope. | ||
| You don't even know it's a signal. | ||
| I've seen graphene. | ||
| You bought it for me. | ||
| do you know it's graphene well it said graphene on there you told me it was graphene it was dirt like graphene i filled up a vial outside and wrote graphene on it it looks like black sand i went | ||
| Did you believe it was graphene? | ||
| Yeah. Why? | ||
| Because you told me it was. | ||
| It said graphene oxide on the side or graphene on the side. | ||
| Some of the best content. | ||
| I lied. | ||
| And you claim to be a research journalist and you're going to lie and take things and believe things without evidence? | ||
| I mean, you don't believe this shit. | ||
| You told me yourself you don't call my Bible shit. | ||
| That's not nice. | ||
| How offensive. | ||
| It's got my name on it. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| Ian, how dare you? | ||
| Dude, I'm just evidence-based, bro. | ||
| You are not. | ||
| Of course I am, dude. | ||
| Look, Ian, you lack the understanding of basic knowledge philosophy. | ||
| I recommend you read these books. | ||
| There is a famous quote. | ||
| The only thing I know is that I know nothing. | ||
| For you to sit here and say, I know what is true and factual, proves you have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
| Well, there are facts. | ||
| Like? This is wood. | ||
| Indeed. Agreed. | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| Because I'm here. | ||
| Did you use an electron microscope? | ||
| Because I built it. | ||
| How do you know it was actual wood, though? | ||
| Did you test it with an electron microscope? | ||
| Because I watched them cut it. | ||
| No, you didn't. | ||
| The answer is no. | ||
| You didn't. | ||
| And you believe it's wood. | ||
| No, you're actually wrong. | ||
| It could be plastic. | ||
| I watched them cut it. | ||
| It's a new chemical they built. | ||
| I watched them cut it. | ||
| How do you know it's wood? | ||
| Because I saw it come from the tree, Ian. | ||
| This is a special... | ||
| Now, that's a fucking lie. | ||
| No, it isn't. | ||
| You saw this table come from a tree? | ||
| It's a custom-built table. | ||
| This is a custom-built table. | ||
| You were told? | ||
| By who? | ||
| No! They built it in front of me! | ||
| We're being hilariously hyperbolic right now. | ||
| It's three pieces. | ||
| They brought it in. | ||
| They had to lift it up over and bring it through because it wouldn't fit through the door. | ||
| So it had to go through before the windows were put in. | ||
| It was brought in three pieces. | ||
| There's a metal frame underneath it. | ||
| We had these pieces sitting in a building for a year waiting for the construction. | ||
| I watched them cut the wood into the pieces. | ||
| I picked up the sawdust and we threw it in a fire pit. | ||
| How do you know it was sawdust, Tim? | ||
| Because it burned. | ||
| Graphene burns, too. | ||
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Ian? How do you know it wasn't almost sawdust? | |
| You've never done any experiment. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
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I've done what? | |
| Experiments. On what? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Dripped water on a piece of paper to see how it curls. | ||
| Okay. So... | ||
| What other stuff? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have fun with life, you know? | ||
| I experiment a lot. | ||
| What is limiting you in understanding reality right now is your arrogance. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I think I see a lot of dead people that are deadened in the mind that just accept things without evidence. | ||
| And that's concerning to me no matter where it's coming from. | ||
| And I see that in you. | ||
| Well, how? | ||
| What's an example of that? | ||
| Okay. Are you breathing? | ||
| Not a silly example. | ||
| I'm talking about real stuff. | ||
| What are you breathing right now? | ||
| Talking about real stuff. | ||
| Lots of gas. | ||
| Talking about real stuff. | ||
| What are you breathing? | ||
| And oxygen and hydrogen. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| I have faith in the scientific community and the evidence that I've seen. | ||
| What evidence have you seen? | ||
| Papers. I've had teachers tell me the evidence. | ||
| We've gone through it in books. | ||
| I've looked online about it. | ||
| I read about the nitrogen content in the air. | ||
| 78% of it, I think, is nitrogen, according to modern science. | ||
| So you've actually taken air and you've... | ||
| No, no, but I didn't get the electron microscope for the table or for the air. | ||
| So you've never actually done an experiment to verify any of the things you were told? | ||
| Well, that's an extreme statement, but about... | ||
| The contents of the air? | ||
| No, I haven't done that. | ||
| So why do you believe it's true? | ||
| Because there's a preponderance of evidence. | ||
| Because someone told you it was? | ||
| Many, many, many people have, yeah. | ||
| Okay, well, there's more people who believe in Jesus. | ||
| I don't care how many. | ||
| Then why did you say that? | ||
| And also the quality of the evidence. | ||
| What's the evidence? | ||
| Of what exactly? | ||
| Of what's in the air? | ||
| Like, what did you read that said oxygen was real? | ||
| That proved it? | ||
| That provided evidence? | ||
| The periodic table? | ||
| That's not evidence. | ||
| That's a list. | ||
| It's a piece of evidence. | ||
| It's a list of things. | ||
| Which is a piece of evidence. | ||
| How does that prove the existence of oxygen? | ||
| That along with all sorts of other experiments where you can see the different colors of oxygen with different lights. | ||
| How? We can pull it up and go deep if you want to talk about. | ||
| If you're questioning science, let's look at it. | ||
| Tell me the evidence I convinced you. | ||
| I'm the farmer that believes the scientist in regards to this. | ||
| I'm not the guy that did the experiment. | ||
| There's enough people on Earth that do those experiments that we can have faith in science. | ||
| What will greatly help you expand your understanding of reality is to recognize you are simply choosing trust. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I think that's right. | ||
| A lot of people with belief, it comes with trust. | ||
| You have to trust your sources. | ||
| When you do the fission experiments and the vacuum experiments, Then I might say... | ||
| You've done the work. | ||
| For now, what you're telling me is I read a bunch of books and they told me it was true, so I believe it. | ||
| Chemical vapor deposition where you deposit carbon dioxide onto copper in a vacuum. | ||
| Have you done it? | ||
| No, but they do it at Rice University. | ||
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I'm sure they do. | |
| I mean, there's different ways to get graphing off of copper. | ||
| Prophets commune with the Lord all the time. | ||
| Well, that's probably true, but that doesn't mean that this is verifiable evidence. | ||
| I didn't say it was. | ||
| I said you are choosing what to believe based on the books you read and telling other people that they're wrong. | ||
| I wouldn't say that they're wrong. | ||
| I'm just concerned with... | ||
| People believing things without evidential proof. | ||
| That is like the epitome of my ethos. | ||
| The corporate press not doing any research, deciding things are true without checking, or intentionally lying to people to spread misinformation. | ||
| And the fascinating thing to me is that we were told that double masking worked. | ||
| We were told that six feet distance was how you effectively stopped the spread of COVID. | ||
| And then we learned just recently, actually not super recently, but a year or two ago, they made it up. | ||
| It was totally made up. | ||
| Now, how can that be? | ||
| It was written in books. | ||
| It was written in scientific papers. | ||
| They published peer-reviewed journals. | ||
| They said it on the news! | ||
| Over and over and over again. | ||
| It was all bullshit, wasn't it? | ||
| Whoa. But they posted evidence. | ||
| And it was still bullshit. | ||
| But the evidence, Ian. | ||
| There wasn't enough. | ||
| But the papers, the evidence. | ||
| There wasn't enough evidence, man. | ||
| I didn't believe it. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I didn't believe six feet to slow the virus? | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| You think a paper mask is going to stop a virus? | ||
| I'm not saying you believed it. | ||
| I'm saying the scientific community and the evidence they presented was wrong. | ||
| Cigarettes used to be recommended by doctors. | ||
| The science proved it. | ||
| Science evolves all the time. | ||
| And I actually believe in science for... | ||
| I would give more creative science simply because I've actually done experiments myself. | ||
| Indeed. I actually created a remote control green tea can. | ||
| I built it. | ||
| And I used gyroscopic stabilization and vibration to reduce the surface friction to zero so that it could float across solid surfaces and then use a gyroscopic stabilizer so that it could turn. | ||
| And that video is actually on YouTube. | ||
| You can watch it. | ||
| So I actually tested these things and tried it out and said, wow, I was able to actually put together a radio transmitter that actually received it. | ||
| And then the receiver received the signal, completing a circuit and causing a motor to spin. | ||
| I've actually done those things. | ||
| So I look at these things and I say, yes, based on the experience I've done, I believe it's likely to be true and correct. | ||
| However, never actually seen oxygen, never seen an atom, been told they exist. | ||
| In fact, the photo of the black hole they took, not really a photo of a black hole. | ||
| It's an amalgam of various EMF waves that they compiled together and then said, here's what we think it might look like through a CGI. | ||
| And then they told everyone this is what a black hole looks like. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I don't follow the Bible, nor do I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. | ||
| I am not a Christian. | ||
| I have no disdain for others who do. | ||
| I simply just see things differently. | ||
| But I would never be so arrogant to say, I know things other people don't, simply because some people are deaf, some people are blind. | ||
| Some people can see things I can't see. | ||
| Some people can hear things I can't hear. | ||
| Women, some of them are tetrachromats. | ||
| They can see more colors than I can. | ||
| If a woman could see more colors than I could and asserted to me that there was a color on that skateboard, it's not just yellow, it's two colors. | ||
| And I said, you're nuts. | ||
| I can see it. | ||
| It's yellow. | ||
| She's actually right. | ||
| She has a fourth rod and cone and she can see colors I can't. | ||
| But I'm just going to tell her she's wrong because I can't see it. | ||
| The only thing that I know is that I know nothing. | ||
| And that doesn't mean I literally don't know a thing. | ||
| It means that for the most part, we are choosing who to trust and then we are relying on that to build a foundation of what we hope to be true. | ||
| Which is why when I talk about quantum physics, science, technology, and religion, I often say, if what we believe in science is true, then. | ||
| However, for all we know, they're just lying and... | ||
| Computer screens are magic rocks they found in the earth, and they have no idea how they work. | ||
| Considering that, you know, I've had friends who've actually built them, and I actually watched, after watching Dr. Stone, I watched a video of creating a, what is it, a fluorescent, what do they call it? | ||
| In Dr. Stone, they take a beaker, and they put like phosphorus on it, and then they make a light that can go up and down and left and right to create a basic screen, and that's how they do a back projection screen. | ||
| And then I watched a video on YouTube of how it was done, and I was like, oh wow. | ||
| You actually can see the building blocks of these things. | ||
| We do got to go to Super Chats. | ||
| Let me be very clear. | ||
| I'm not claiming that people that are Christian are wrong. | ||
| I'm not making that claim. | ||
| I just don't believe things, and I hope that other people don't without evidence. | ||
| Evidential proof. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| I don't think people are wrong, and I'm not saying it's wrong. | ||
| I would ask, what do you believe? | ||
| Well, a lot of stuff, but generally, we could go on for an hour and a half about that. | ||
| Do you think that machine elves exist? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No. Not really. | ||
| Not literally. | ||
| Not that I know of. | ||
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| Let's grab your chats! | ||
| Alright. Corporal Fett says, How much graphene can Ian chug if an Ian was going to chug a graphene? | ||
| Like the tongue twister there. | ||
| Probably get down like a quart of it, and then get his nasty stomach ache after that. | ||
| Ian? I will tell you, of that thing I bought, I went on Amazon and typed in graphene and clicked buy, so I'm assuming it is. | ||
| No one knows for sure. | ||
| Exactly. It was clearly dirt. | ||
| They could have taken pencil and just grinded it up into dust. | ||
| Graphite. Yep. | ||
| Sons of bitches. | ||
| Graphene. Graphite. | ||
| Do my due diligence. | ||
| Shane H. Wilder says, Governor Abbott just signed the Texas Doge Bill, creating a Texas chapter of Doge. | ||
| Now if other states will follow suit. | ||
| Ooh, I like it. | ||
| Amazing. Porter says, I'd love to buy a ticket and be there, but I can't afford to fly to West Virginia from Washington State for a show. | ||
| Are you planning on having different venues around the country? | ||
| That'd be awesome. | ||
| We are not. | ||
| Although we may eventually do specials, the general idea is that we are seeking. | ||
| So the Culture War Live, single venue, relatively small, 60 seats. | ||
| We have a few more seats, but that's going to be like friends, crew, and things like that for space. | ||
| Alex Stein's going to be there for one reason. | ||
| If one of the people who comes up to debate sucks, I don't know how I would kick them off. | ||
| You know, I'm not the kind of personality. | ||
| Those big, long poles with a hook on the end. | ||
| Yeah, but I would be sitting down, right? | ||
| So the point is, it's not a fun show if Tim Pool goes like, hey, bro, you're really bad at debating. | ||
| Please leave. | ||
| It's kind of just, it makes you feel bad. | ||
| But Alex Stein would kick them off in a very funny and entertaining way. | ||
| Everyone would laugh as he's removing the person from the stage, and I think that's a better show. | ||
| So that's why we have to have Alex there. | ||
| We're hoping to do this weekly at the same venue. | ||
| And we're hoping that if the first one does really well, we're thinking we're going to do this one on May 3rd, then probably another one two weeks later. | ||
| And we may end up switching to... | ||
| We've got to work it out, but the general idea is tickets are free right now if you're a member, which means you're paying for membership if you get a free ticket. | ||
| It's not sustainable because we want people who don't want to just debate. | ||
| We want people to watch the show. | ||
| So what we're thinking we're going to do is we're going to sell tickets. | ||
| However, any member can submit to what will have like 10 reserved seats. | ||
| Members can submit to join the debates and then we will have those 10 reserved seats for the 10 people who want to and then we'll choose between them during the show. | ||
| But then we can have 60 seats for sale to the public so people can bring their friends and you don't got to be a member. | ||
| It's a lot easier to do. | ||
| That way we can fill seats because ultimately what we want is to find a venue with 100 to 200 seats and have a regularly scheduled Culture War Live. | ||
| Even liberals are going to come to. | ||
| A lot of liberals are going to sign up for Tim Pool's thing. | ||
| But if it's like 10 bucks to get in, then they might be like, I'll definitely come to this and watch, you know, Charlie Kirk debate my friend or somebody. | ||
| So that's the plan. | ||
| Should be fun. | ||
| Let's grab some more. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Twilight Kid says next gen should be called Gen X squared because they a lot like Gen X. Well, OK. | ||
| HSDisturbed says, Bongino put his money where his mouth is, and I respect that so much. | ||
| I hope he gets some joy in taking down the bad guys. | ||
| I have to say, to all the people who are like, where's Dan and Cash? | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| I'm just like, I don't know that Dan Bongino would walk away from, like, dozens of millions, whatever that number was, from a show as big as his, to not get the bad guys. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, if you went to Dan and you were like, for $30 million, one time, one purchase, I will let you arrest. | ||
| Like, I feel like Dan's the guy who would have paid for that job. | ||
| He'd be like, I will pay you to be able to go in there and arrest these people. | ||
| That's why I'm like, no one's giving up all that money to go in and then not get the bad guys. | ||
| No, them being silent is not an aberration. | ||
| That's part of the process. | ||
| I will say I appreciate his transparency on X posting and saying, hey, you know, don't trust me. | ||
| Expect... You know, wait for results. | ||
| At least he's doing that, because I get frustrated and impatient all the time if you read my XFeed. | ||
| But to his credit, like, I would like to see more of that from other people in the admin. | ||
| All right, Groffy says, many chickens enjoy this coup. | ||
| Coop? LOL, Rumble is waiting for you. | ||
| It says coup. | ||
| The chicken coup? | ||
| The chicken coup. | ||
| Chickens are great. | ||
| They're good people. | ||
| Yeah, let's get a polygraph. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good idea. | ||
| How much those things cost? | ||
| Teach yourself how to override it. | ||
| That'd be awesome. | ||
| Because it's your nervous system. | ||
| It's not just your breathing. | ||
| Controlling your nervous system is super power. | ||
| Indeed. My guess? | ||
| $16,000 for a good one. | ||
| Someone look it up. | ||
| We'll buy it. | ||
| We'll strap into it. | ||
| We'll film it. | ||
| I'll be the first. | ||
| Beef Nancy says, do the board but have be gay do crime in black light ink or an off-white from the board color so you can barely see it and have to do a double take. | ||
| I'm pretty sure if we made a skateboard that said, be gay, do crime... | ||
| Two grand. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| A Stoatling CPS2 polygraph can be priced around $2,000. | ||
| If you sold merch that said, be gay, do crime, nobody would care. | ||
| Like, Hot Topic would sell that. | ||
| But if you made a shirt that said, don't be gay, you'd get censored and banned everywhere. | ||
| They'd be like, you can't do that, it's homophobic. | ||
| Because you said, don't be gay, do crime, that'd be a double whammy. | ||
| If you said, be gay, don't do crime... | ||
| Well, the idea... | ||
| I'll get away with that. | ||
| Andy's idea was, he said, let's sell two boards. | ||
| One says don't be gay, one says be gay, and just give the people the choice. | ||
| And I'm like, well, then everyone will like us. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's a good way to go about it. | ||
| You get one board in case that one does sell, and then they don't be gay board. | ||
| I gotta be honest, if we made a board that said be gay, we would sell those two. | ||
| Yeah. Like, they're both funny. | ||
| People would buy both. | ||
| Like, the problem with the left is they don't understand the joke. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It's when South Park said, when they had the episode where the kids were saying fag all the time, and they were like, we're not making fun of gay people. | ||
| That's not cool. | ||
| Hey, man, that's fine. | ||
| They were like, no, we're just insulting the Harley guys. | ||
| And they didn't understand what the kids were saying because that word means something else. | ||
| So the joke is the left is always saying be gay, so we're making the inverse. | ||
| But the problem then is liberals get super offended by that and try and get you banned. | ||
| That's that play versus tyranny. | ||
| You gotta let go. | ||
| You gotta learn how to play. | ||
| You gotta allow yourself... | ||
| Blazing Saddles effect, I think. | ||
| That's what they call it. | ||
| Indeed. Great movie, by the way. | ||
| Trybeard says, Hey Ian, are you still free to judge this weekend? | ||
| To be a judge, the jam submissions this time are top tier. | ||
| Hope to work with you again. | ||
| I think not. | ||
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I told them that I'm not gonna be around, but... | |
| Oh, is that for the Discord? | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| The Game Jam. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| You should host... | ||
| Gaming? Yeah, a bunch of people develop games. | ||
| Why don't we do like a song thing? | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| Members of Discord submit music and then you judge and then figure out who the winner is. | ||
| I'd be down. | ||
| But dude, these games are amazing. | ||
| Some of the games that they make in like two weeks. | ||
| You're like, who are these? | ||
| You could hire ten people and have an entire game development company. | ||
| Did we ever release the Normie Quest game? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No. It's like on a shelf somewhere ready to be dabbled with. | ||
| There's two versions too. | ||
| Chris made the King of the Hill one and then we had the other full game one. | ||
| Dude, these game jams are super cool. | ||
| I was just not feeling it for some reason, this one, but you want to go with me, Tim? | ||
| To the game? | ||
| I feel like you're going to say no. | ||
| That's why I just asked. | ||
| I have no time for any of these things. | ||
| We should host one of those one time. | ||
| It's super. | ||
| I got to go to D.C. tomorrow again. | ||
| But you can do it remote. | ||
| I got to go to D.C. again tomorrow. | ||
| That means I got to get in here at 7 in the morning to record my show. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Libby will be hosting the morning live again. | ||
| However, it's a 43-minute interview with Sebastian Gorka as it is. | ||
| She's largely just introducing the show, talking news a little bit, and then kicking it off to the interview. | ||
| So it works out. | ||
| But, you know, we've got to do work. | ||
| We've got to do work. | ||
| They're going to have you on an airplane next. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I've got to go to New York soon. | ||
| This year's getting crazy. | ||
| Yeah, Air Force One is a possibility. | ||
| We've talked about that the media is so bent over it. | ||
| And just because people are in power doesn't mean they're evil. | ||
| Sometimes there are people with no power that are evil. | ||
| Sometimes there are people that are power with evil. | ||
| The current administration, I largely agree with on a lot of things. | ||
| And I disagree with on some things. | ||
| You know, Gorka, for instance, was talking about strikes on foreign terror groups and things like this. | ||
| And then I asked him, I said, you know, I don't really want to be involved in this intervention and stuff. | ||
| And he explained his point of view. | ||
| And I said, OK, you know, I get it. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I wish it was easy to have more answers, but as long as we're not doing regime change war, then, you know, I think we've got some improvements. | ||
| But, you know, what do you do? | ||
| Do you just go to every press briefing and say, Trump, no matter what you do, you're always going to be wrong because I'm a journalist. | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
| It's like Trump rescues a bunch of puppies and they're like, yeah, well, the puppies got hurt. | ||
| It's like, well, yeah, they were in a fire and Trump saved them. | ||
| Well, he shouldn't have run through the fire because the puppies got hurt. | ||
| It's like, bro, not everything Trump does is bad, okay? | ||
| I actually think a lot of what he does is good, if not most of it. | ||
| All right, what do we got? | ||
| Adam Horage says, you need an engineer to join your stream to reign in Ian's technobabble. | ||
| We can put a space elevator on the moon, but we can't get one to Earth. | ||
| If you could do that, you couldn't tie the two platforms together. | ||
| Orbits still exist. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I think that was clear. | ||
| You know what we should do, though? | ||
| We should create a massive series of cables. | ||
| And bolt them to the moon, and then pull all the cables down to Earth, and then get heavy machinery, and just pull the moon into the Earth, causing its orbit to decay, and then the moon to shift all the tides 20 feet in the air, | ||
| just plunging Earth into a perpetual flood, which wipes out all of the distance. | ||
| And then we can have a big surf contest. | ||
| While we die. | ||
| The guys are going to seed the clouds and block out the clouds? | ||
| We should talk about that on the after show tonight. | ||
| Do you hear that? | ||
| Oh, I did, I reported, yeah, the Mr. Burns plan. | ||
| Dude, but what we could build is a couple of slingshots from our orbital platforms to slingshot stuff from Earth to the Moon's platform and back. | ||
| There's like a magnetic slingshot. | ||
| Did you see the slingshot orbital launch? | ||
| Yes, spin launch. | ||
| Yeah, it spins a package as fast as it can and then boom! | ||
| You could have that in orbit and just fling stuff over to the other place and catch it and then slow it down like in a reverse spin. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Launching things into orbit with a gigantic spinning wheel. | ||
| For what reason was this? | ||
| To launch packages to the space station. | ||
| Oh, I gotcha. | ||
| Instead of using a rocket to carry things up, you just put a payload in the thing, spin it, and boom! | ||
| Okay, I gotcha. | ||
| And they don't actually technically have to catch it. | ||
| You just have to get it into orbit. | ||
| You've got a big neck and go ahead. | ||
| Imagine it'd be an arm. | ||
| No, the payload will have the ability, it has thrusters. | ||
| Yeah. So it's able to... | ||
| And press gas. | ||
| And reorient it. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Okay. And then it can just float to the space station and then lock into place. | ||
| Crazy. Or satellites. | ||
| I was thinking it was the first rocket was a rock. | ||
| Get it? | ||
| Rock-et? | ||
| Someone put a rock in some explosive tube and they were like, we're firing rock-ets. | ||
| Little rocks. | ||
| I don't know if that's how it worked. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| Female rocks. | ||
| The rock-ets. | ||
| Rock-ets. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| Yeah. All right. | ||
| Let's see what we got. | ||
| Seven Legion says, Ian, 500 people say they saw Jesus risen back to life, and the majority of them refused to recant even if they were being executed for saying it. | ||
| Well, I mean, God. | ||
| The problem is, it just goes back to the beginning again, is like, without verifiable evidence, I have a hard time believing any of the story at all. | ||
| Is witness testimony evidence? | ||
| If they're alive, and they're here, and they're saying it, that's a form of evidence. | ||
| So you don't believe World War II happened? | ||
| Oh no, there's tons of evidence. | ||
| Tons of evidence. | ||
| But the eyewitnesses are, there's only like a couple Holocaust survivors left. | ||
| I mean, most eyewitness testimony doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| No, you don't need eyewitness testimony. | ||
| But it's a form of evidence. | ||
| So you don't think that Rome existed? | ||
| I do think that Rome existed, yeah. | ||
| Why? There's no way to track. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| It could have been called Moor and not Rome. | ||
| Well, now you're getting into ancient history manipulation. | ||
| It could have been something different. | ||
| What if it was Arteria? | ||
| A lot of that stuff could have been different. | ||
| I think all of those structures is actually evidence of Tartaria. | ||
| That's like barbaria? | ||
| That's where that term comes from? | ||
| Tartaria? Yeah, they were the foreigners. | ||
| Tartaria. Tartar barbar was like, meant foreigner. | ||
| That's where their words come from. | ||
| Tartaria was the idea of everything outside of Rome, essentially. | ||
| I actually think Rome was Atlantis. | ||
| I don't know, because the evidence doesn't work anymore. | ||
| The Romans? | ||
| Well, the Greeks were... | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| The point is, Ian, your argument is that no historical event ever happened because historian testimony doesn't matter. | ||
| No, no, that's terrible in this representation. | ||
| If 500 people says Jesus was risen, is that not evidence? | ||
| The thing is, a guy telling me that 500 people said a thing is not admissible evidence. | ||
| That doesn't help me. | ||
| There are so many paths you could go down of stories of people who have tried to prove themselves wrong. | ||
| In your position, right, that have come out on the other side believing Jesus, though? | ||
| Would you listen to those stories? | ||
| Ian, do you believe the Donner party happened? | ||
| Yeah. Why? | ||
| I've just seen them die? | ||
| No, there were survivors. | ||
| Okay. And each other in the mountains. | ||
| But how do you know? | ||
| There's literally no physical evidence, and there never was. | ||
| It's just a group of people that came back and were like, we ate people, and they went, we believe it. | ||
| And now it's a historical fact, apparently. | ||
| Maybe it didn't happen the way they said. | ||
| Maybe. It definitely didn't happen the way they said. | ||
| I'm not one of those people that's a question-everything guy. | ||
| I don't like people like that. | ||
| You need evidence, you know? | ||
| And then you need to find things you believe in. | ||
| But why would you accept the Donner Party and not the resurrection of Jesus Christ? | ||
| Well, those people were alive in modern times with video cameras talking about... | ||
| What? The Donner Party? | ||
| The late 1800s? | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Is this the people from... | ||
| No, the movie Alive. | ||
| I was thinking of the movie Alive. | ||
| The Donner Party was people heading west, and they thought there was a passage that was really open, and they got stuck, and then they starved to death, and then they ate each other. | ||
| One guy went out, and he left his wife and kid back behind because he wanted to go find them, I think. | ||
| Never happened, actually. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| There's no proof. | ||
| I would love to talk about Jesus. | ||
| I mean, I would sit here for... | ||
| Ten hours and talk about Jesus. | ||
| I would love to do that. | ||
| Have you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis? | ||
| No. You need to read it. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Mere Christianity. | ||
| M-E-R-E. | ||
| Do you believe that George Washington crossed the Delaware in the Revolution? | ||
| Generally. In the winter? | ||
| Generally, but if you really press me on it, I don't have any evidence to prove it. | ||
| There's none. | ||
| But I have a general... | ||
| See, belief is a loaded word here. | ||
| Like, I guess your belief can increase in something. | ||
| Like, I kind of believe it. | ||
| But that's kind of a weird thing. | ||
| Either you do or you don't. | ||
| So, you know what? | ||
| Right, so you're just choosing not to believe the Bible. | ||
| I was watching, how about the Mongols invaded Europe? | ||
| Do I believe the Mongols invaded Europe? | ||
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No idea. | |
| No evidence. | ||
| There's evidence. | ||
| It's just, I don't know how good the evidence is. | ||
| Did chickens come from Southeast Asia? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| There's no evidence. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Is that what they say they did? | ||
| That's where they did come from. | ||
| Yeah. All right, everybody. | ||
| We're going to go to that members-only uncensored chat over at rumble.com slash timcastirl. | ||
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| I only wish there were more super chats. | ||
| I'm looking forward to seeing you guys over at Rumble. | ||
| All right, everybody. | ||
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| Always a pleasure, my man. | ||
| Good to see you, dude. | ||
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| I was going to make a video about the history of Israel. | ||
| I thought that would be breaking down piece by piece, year by year. | ||
| I don't know how far back I'm going to have to start, though. | ||
| That's exactly what we need. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| you. | ||
| One, two, three, four. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| That was the fault of the restarting the computer, I think. | ||
| So anyway, there's a super chat that said Ian doesn't even agree with Ian, and now for the third time you have to say it again because the mics weren't working. | ||
| No, I was just saying all you have to do is ask him what he believes in, and then he'll go down that rabbit hole and land in the same spot he's at with Christianity and Jesus. | ||
| Indeed. We got the same stupid problem on the... | ||
| I'm assuming it's working. | ||
| Where? It said default, but it said it was getting no audio. | ||
| Well, now it's frozen. | ||
| Take five. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| How do I get out of this stupid menu? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| How do we close the menu? | ||
| Man, this stupid app. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| It was hidden. | ||
| I don't know if we're getting, are we getting audio in the, I don't know if people in the chat can hear us in the Discord. | ||
| Whatever. Anyway, for those that are watching on Rumble, you can hear us, because I can see the audio, but for some reason Discord's acting weird. | ||
| But, yeah, do you want to ask Ian then? | ||
| Oh yeah, what were you going to say? | ||
| I was just going to ask. | ||
| I mean, you did wear your Technicolor dreamcoat today. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| So what do you believe in? | ||
| Well, you know, I used to think the cosmic microwave background radiation, which you can see through these radio telescopes, it's like the leftover radiation from the Big Bang. | ||
| And it looks kind of like a web, almost like a neural net. | ||
| That's fake. | ||
| Why do you believe in the Big Bang, though? | ||
| No, background radiation is totally fake. | ||
| It's made up. | ||
| So wait, wait, wait. | ||
| No, no, no, hold on. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| I'm going to tell you. | ||
| I'm going to tell you. | ||
| Because, you know, I know it's not real. | ||
| These things were made up by people to trick us into believing that this science and space is real, but we know space isn't because there's a firmament and it's water above the firmament. | ||
| Which makes it impossible. | ||
| And my evidence? | ||
| The Shroud of Turin. | ||
| The Shroud of Turin shows the imprint of Jesus Christ, which proves Christ is real, and I've seen photos of it. | ||
| And people have told me. | ||
| And that's real evidence. | ||
| I just thought it was really funny, because you were like... | ||
| That's 2,000 years ago. | ||
| You can't trust that. | ||
| And you just went back to the beginning of all time and creation with the Big Bang. | ||
| They think that what they're looking at when they look at through radio telescopes... | ||
| Well, I was listening to a scientist a few days ago. | ||
| It's a hell of a poker face you got. | ||
| He's good at this. | ||
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That's why we're friends in a lot of ways. | |
| So they think that it's the leftover radiation exploding out of the center of the... | ||
| The popcorn. | ||
| I think the universe is like a Taurus. | ||
| It's going around. | ||
| I think it's going through the big crunch. | ||
| It crunches and then explodes out the other side. | ||
| Okay, wait, wait. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| It crunches again and explodes out and it's constantly flowing. | ||
| In all seriousness, outside of the joking about the background radiation, bro, big crunch was disproven like a hundred years ago. | ||
| I just feel like... | ||
| I don't know why I visualize this. | ||
| Are you familiar with big crunch? | ||
| The idea that at some point the universe will... | ||
| Collapse into a singularity. | ||
| Yes, I've heard that. | ||
| So, current physical models disprove that. | ||
| Now, science can always change. | ||
| One of the theories right now is that it's not a Big Bang. | ||
| It wasn't a singularity. | ||
| It's a white hole. | ||
| We're on the other side of a black hole in a fourth-dimensional pocket in a twelfth-dimensional universe. | ||
| That makes a lot of sense being inside. | ||
| I like the inside the black hole theory. | ||
| That's why when you look out, it's a sphere. | ||
| Everywhere you look, the universe is a sphere. | ||
| Because we're inside of a bubble. | ||
| So there is a white hole is the other side of the black hole where matter is being sprayed outwards instead of inward. | ||
| And there is also an event horizon where the universe is expanding so quickly that you can't travel fast enough through it. | ||
| You're moving backwards in the expansion of the universe. | ||
| But I just think it's funny that, in your mind, an idea that was largely considered to be discredited 100 years ago is still possible. | ||
| Yeah, that does happen sometimes. | ||
| So then why believe that, not something else? | ||
| Well, I choose to believe that, even though science says it's wrong. | ||
| Physics? The laws of physics? | ||
| Physicists say that's not correct. | ||
| Why believe it? | ||
| Because if the universe is a Taurus, I don't necessarily believe it. | ||
| I just feel like it's the most likely scenarios that we're in a revolving Taurus. | ||
| Well, that's it right there. | ||
| That's how people land on Christianity, though. | ||
| I just feel like that's the most likely solution. | ||
| I guess, but then I guess it just is a debate about... | ||
| My beliefs of, like, what... | ||
| Because physics. | ||
| I like physics. | ||
| The idea that a guy could resurrect is, like, not physically... | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| A human being resurrected from the dead and going up into... | ||
| Like, that's not physics. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| What? Are you joking? | ||
| No. Bro, we've met people here who have died and come back to life. | ||
| But that's not what they said. | ||
| They said his body rose into heaven. | ||
| I've watched people fucking put on a jetpack and fly into heaven. | ||
| Well, if he did that, that would be a different story. | ||
| But, I mean... | ||
| It's just... | ||
| The fantastical stuff's a little more... | ||
| Is anti-gravity possible? | ||
| Hypothetically, yeah. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Theoretically, yeah. | ||
| Theoretically. Lots of different ways to do it. | ||
| Is it possible that Jesus has abilities beyond your comprehension? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And is any technology that is undiscovered indistinguishable from magic? | ||
| Yeah, that's a quote by Arthur C. Clarke, I think. | ||
| So would it not be that... | ||
| The son of God has access to physical capabilities that you would not understand but is still within the realm of physics? | ||
| Well, that's a loaded—I don't agree with the premise of the question. | ||
| I don't know that saying he is the son of God is fair. | ||
| You have to prove that. | ||
| Just say that's the case. | ||
| Treat the argument as if it's real. | ||
| It's hard to do, because if I'm like, did you enjoy fucking that chick, Phil? | ||
| And you're like, I didn't even fuck anyone. | ||
| How do I answer this question? | ||
| I can't say no, because that would admit that I fucked her. | ||
| I'm asking you a conditional hypothetical, and you can't understand it. | ||
| Yeah. No, I understand. | ||
| The question is, if he were a magician and he had magic powers, could he cast magic? | ||
| God sent his only son to Earth. | ||
| Does it not make sense that Jesus would have capabilities within this plane of existence beyond your comprehension? | ||
| Maybe. But just because he's the son of God doesn't mean he would necessarily have... | ||
| No, it doesn't make sense that he would. | ||
| That he could. | ||
| Indeed. The answer is yes. | ||
| Yeah, but the proportion is that he's a magician that has magical abilities, so can he cast magic is the question. | ||
| But magic is just physical capabilities we don't yet understand. | ||
| It is components of physics that exist within... | ||
| The realm of possibility we don't yet understand how it happens. | ||
| If you said, like, in 2,000 years a guy will raise from the dead, I'll be like, okay, well, now let's follow that. | ||
| But if you're saying 2,000 years ago when our technology was shit, I didn't know that. | ||
| What if Atlantis exists and the king had a son who lived outside of Atlantis, and then one day the son, this individual, a messenger came to him, an emissary of Atlantis, | ||
| and said, You're actually the son of the king of Atlantis. | ||
| We have profound technologies these people don't quite understand. | ||
| We can grant you the ability to fly, to heal. | ||
| You can replicate food. | ||
| We will give you this small device. | ||
| And when you touch but one piece of bread, it will turn to 20. We will give you this device. | ||
| When you tap the water, it will become wine. | ||
| And he went, oh my god, wow. | ||
| And then they said, if these people find out that you are of Atlantis, they will kill you. | ||
| And then he dies. | ||
| And then Atlantis resurrects him. | ||
| And he levitates into the sky. | ||
| Would that be possible? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Possible, but I use Occam's razor. | ||
| Likely they lied. | ||
| Likely they just lied. | ||
| The most likely scenario is the humans lie. | ||
| Probably. I don't disagree. | ||
| That's why I'm not a Christian. | ||
| My issue is that I recognize the basic philosophy of the question to ask, what is knowledge? | ||
| Why do I believe what I believe? | ||
| And why do I have faith? | ||
| Which leads me to a position where I recognize. | ||
| I typically have faith based on my perspective and my experiences, hence why I don't lie and just—I'm not going to lie and pretend to be a Christian. | ||
| I don't feel that. | ||
| I don't see it. | ||
| I do believe in God, however. | ||
| But I also recognize when I meet Christians and they say, these are my experiences, this is why I choose to believe this, I go, okay. | ||
| Yeah. I mean, shit. | ||
| What we think we know is probably one googleth of reality. |
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