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tim pool
News broke this morning that a judge was arrested in Wisconsin.
This judge was aiding and abetting a criminal illegal alien who had been accused of mercilessly beating his wife.
This is not Kilmar Obrego Garcia.
This is a different story out of Wisconsin.
And just the other day, we learned about a Democrat judge.
So there's a liberal judge.
They're nonpartisan, they call it, in Wisconsin.
In New Mexico, you had a Democrat judge.
Also arrested, now being accused of tampering with evidence.
The other day when we covered this on Tim Kastirel, the news wasn't clear.
They said he was arrested, then he wasn't arrested.
Now we're learning he was arrested.
And this Wisconsin story is lighting up the internet with Democrats furious because to Democrats, they're above the law.
You're not.
J6ers aren't.
Trump isn't, but they are.
You know, we've got the complaint, the arrest, a statement from a witness.
As to what went down with this Wisconsin judge, and it is insane.
She actively obstructed, according to this document, law enforcement trying to deport an illegal immigrant, shuffled him out a back door, adjourned his proceedings, even though he was accused of beating, I believe beating his wife, or domestic violence.
I don't know if he's married.
She let him go.
They ended up catching him.
Came back and arrested her, and now Democrats are acting like this is the beginning of dictatorship.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
tim pool
You know I'm going to have a field day with this one.
We do have a bunch of other stories, but this, of course, is the big one, so we'll see that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, it's Josie!
josie glabach
Hi, I'm Josie.
I'm the red-headed libertarian.
I'm a revolutionary historian, a mother of daughters, and the host of Spaces X Josie on X and on Rumble.
tim pool
Right on.
This should be fun.
Ian, of course, is here.
unidentified
Hello.
ian crossland
Welcome back, everyone.
Good to be here.
Let's just roll.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains of an Anti-Communist and Counter-Revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's a story from Fox News, my friends.
FBI arrests Wisconsin judge alleging she obstructed the arrest of an illegal alien.
Now, we have the FBI charging document right here.
Let me just start by saying two judges isn't enough.
But I'm okay, right?
You know, I'm not, you know, I tweeted two judges and enough.
I tweeted, it has begun.
I'm a fan of the work of Cash and Dan so far.
And there are these right-leaning people who are like, oh, now they're all going to cheer for a low-level judge.
This is not the kind of justice we want.
I say, calm down, good sir.
It's been three months.
Give Cash and Dan a chance.
Bro, I do not believe that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino...
Would walk into the middle of the culture war, cold civil war battlefield, knowing that they face prison if Democrats regain power and then do nothing.
They already went after, like, what?
They got Papadopoulos.
They went after Flynn.
They put Bannon in jail, Navarro in jail.
Giuliani is facing charges.
They went for Trump's lawyers.
Yo, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino know full well that if they do not win this, they have put everything on the line.
So, it has begun.
Now, This criminal complaint is crazy.
This is a document.
United States v.
Hannah C. Dugan.
And I'll give you the simple version real quick.
Illegal immigrant in her courtroom.
ICE agents show up and they say, okay, we're going to arrest this guy.
They tell the ICE agents, no, no, just wait until the hearing's over.
Let the judge do her thing.
And then you can arrest the person.
I said, okay.
Judge, somebody whispers to the judge, yo, feds are here to arrest this guy.
She gets, she's furious.
She comes out and starts yelling at him.
They have to go to the chief judge while they're basically explaining, like, we have a right to be here.
We have a warrant.
She's like, you don't have a judicial warrant.
You got to leave.
And they're like, it's a public building.
We can be here.
She then goes into a courtroom, effectively expedites or dismisses.
I don't know if she dismissed, but she like she she convenes or I'm sorry.
She basically ends the proceedings and then tells the illegal alien subject to arrest and deportation to go out a non-public exit used for jurors.
To evade the police.
To evade law enforcement.
That's why she's been arrested.
But check this out.
We have this thread from Margo Cleveland.
She has criminal complaint unsealed in case of Wisconsin judge helping illegal.
It is jaw-dropping.
In the document, number six says, I am aware from a review of public records that on March 18th, Eduardo Flores Ruiz was charged in Milwaukee County Circuit Court.
Case number, blah, with three counts of battery domestic abuse infliction.
of physical pain or injury.
Not merely three counts of domestic battery with physical pain or injury, but he had already been deported once and illegally returned.
So ICE goes to arrest him.
Some agents notified security and explained the arrest would be court proceedings in the public area, would be after.
Others went to the court and notified the court security agent.
So this is basically what I just described.
A public defender took pictures of the agents and then went and told the judge's clerk, who told the judge.
The judge then basically tells the agents they have to leave.
We'll scroll down as I talk about this.
Courtroom deputy is a good guy.
Judge tries to rush the domestic abuser through the process while everyone is supposedly tied up talking to the chief judge.
And apparently the victim of the domestic abuse was there too.
And she's trying to save this guy from deportation.
She takes them out to the jury room and says, Second,
according to the courtroom deputy, only deputies, juries, court staff, and in-custody defendants being escorted by deputies used the back jury door.
The judge adjourned the criminal case against the illegal who was charged with three counts of domestic abuse.
And where the victim was present, state's attorney only discovered later when case was not called.
Agents then observed illegal and his attorney trying to leave the courthouse through the back way, and it took some 22 minutes for them to catch him following a foot chase.
Can you believe this?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, bro.
phil labonte
I can actually believe it.
tim pool
And so, I believe we have an image right here.
Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to zoom in and get this nice and big for you.
That is the arrest of the judge.
And it looks like she's not wearing her judge's robe.
That's like a hoodie or something.
unidentified
No, I think that's it.
tim pool
Are you sure they have hoods on them?
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
But they got her.
Lock them up.
phil labonte
This is great news that there are actually repercussions for...
This kind of behavior.
This is something that we talked about.
It was in regard to congresspeople talking to immigrants or illegal immigrants saying you don't have to talk to police.
AOC we discussed.
Ilhan Omar we discussed.
Aiding and abetting.
This is a clear, clear violation.
And it's great that she's been arrested.
tim pool
I am tempted to just put on some 80s music and sit here bottom of my head to it the whole time with various news articles saying judge arrested over and over and over again.
ian crossland
Let's do simple minds.
Don't you forget about me.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
That's a good one to start with.
tim pool
Well, so Grabian, Tom Elliott, he had this great post where he compiled all of the statements from Democrats and media personalities saying no one's above the law over and over and over again.
So, as a matter of happenstance, we were singing that song by, was it BJ Thompson or whatever his name is?
Thomas?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
The raindrops are falling on your head?
ian crossland
Raindrops keep falling on my head.
josie glabach
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
ian crossland
Yeah, we were playing that.
tim pool
Is that what it's from?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And so, we were playing that while I was listening to this video.
And so, I just figured I had to go into a premiere and edit them together.
unidentified
The idea that no person is above the law is a bedrock principle of American justice.
pam bondi
No man is above the law, no matter what their crime is.
unidentified
And I agree with you.
pam bondi
No man is above the law.
phil labonte
No person is above the law.
unidentified
No one is above the law.
tim pool
All right, that's enough of that.
But you get the point.
It's a good Friday.
I figure we'll party afterwards, and it's only just begun.
Hopefully it begins a lot more after this, and we get a lot more.
ian crossland
I think technically it wasn't last Friday, Good Friday.
It's just an even better Friday.
josie glabach
Yep.
This is Gooder Friday.
tim pool
I would argue that many Christians would not consider today to be Gooder Friday, but a secondary, compared to Good Friday, that's probably way better than today.
ian crossland
Second best Friday.
tim pool
Second best Friday.
ian crossland
I think, you know, maybe I know I'm biased.
We're all sort of biased in our living bubbles, but it's just at its face, like these people abetting.
Illegal immigration is horrific for the future of the country.
It can't be tolerated.
phil labonte
Not just that.
He was accused of fairly seriously beating a woman.
josie glabach
What really gets me about this is Amy Klobuchar had posted.
She's like, this is not normal.
Just these alarming, these pearl-clutching posts that are coming out from congressmen and it's all repeating.
tim pool
She's right, though.
Amy Klobuchar is right.
josie glabach
That it's not normal to arrest judges.
tim pool
No, it's not normal for judges to aid and abet illegal immigrants and let them get away.
josie glabach
Yes.
So she just has the audacity to really gaslight people who have been paying attention on this.
And she said, this undermines checks and balances.
It's like, no, the only checks and balances being undermined is the judicial branch to Congress.
This is undermining their laws.
This is undermining the naturalization process.
This is undermining the supremacy clause.
tim pool
You know, there's another song that comes to mind.
It's the one where it's like, I don't care.
I love...
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
You know that song?
I don't care.
I love it.
Like, the Democrats can whinge all they want, and I'm just going to say, I don't care.
I love it.
ian crossland
So I think, Josie, what you're saying is this judge was violating due process.
phil labonte
Clearly.
Well, violating the law.
josie glabach
That's the thing.
It's like, accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty.
And so that's what they do.
And as soon as they do that, it all makes sense of what's actually happening.
So judges, supreme and inferior, according to Article 3, they have the right to serve in times of good behavior.
Aiding and abetting and harboring fugitives is not good behavior.
That's bad behavior.
tim pool
Lock them up!
ian crossland
Are they considered fugitives, technically?
Illegal immigrants?
tim pool
This person was a fugitive.
They were wanted for arrest.
The court proceeding was adjourned, and they escaped out the back of the building.
ian crossland
Are people here illegally technically fugitives, or is it only if you try and get them and they run away?
phil labonte
They're fugitives.
tim pool
And this guy had an order for expedited removal.
They do not have trials for this.
The media is gaslighting the public into thinking there's a criminal trial for every illegal immigrant.
josie glabach
Did you know that Barack Obama, 75% of his deportations didn't have any due process?
ian crossland
Is that because none was needed?
tim pool
See, I gotta stop you there.
That's wrong.
josie glabach
That was from the ACLU.
tim pool
They are lying.
josie glabach
Oh, I guess that's fair.
The STLU does lie.
tim pool
Indeed.
Due process does not mean a criminal trial.
ian crossland
Well, that's what I mean.
They didn't deserve a criminal trial, so they didn't get one.
Therefore, due process was followed, even though there was no process.
Well, the process was just get out.
tim pool
See, this is the gaslighting.
And I gotta stop you.
This is the gaslighting.
They say they were deported.
Under Obama, none of these guys got due process.
That's incorrect.
What process are you due?
Okay, as an illegal immigrant, you get reviewed by law enforcement.
They check your IDs.
They can check the IDs and detain any American citizen at any point.
If there's reasonable suspicion, which is incredibly easy to get, an officer can stop you and ask you questions.
They can ask for your ID.
You don't have to give it to them.
You can say, am I being detained?
And you can go.
But if they have reasonable suspicion that you're an illegal immigrant, they can escalate a little bit.
Often what happens is they find out the individual is not a citizen or suspicion grows to probable cause.
And then they say, okay, expedited removal.
That is the process that you are due as an illegal immigrant.
So what's happening now is Democrats are trying to create the idea in the minds of Americans that due process means flatly 100% criminal jury trial with the defense counsel.
That's for American citizens.
Due process is different in many different cases.
Okay, so due process can be if a judge denies your evidence.
If you're a J6-er and you get a criminal trial and a jury and legal counsel on both sides, and then you say, Your Honor, this video is exculpatory evidence proving I'm innocent, and the judge goes, You can't show it.
That's a violation of due process.
But you got a criminal trial and a hearing and all of those things.
Due process does not mean criminal trial.
So when we issue expedited removals, they never go before a judge.
An ICE agent finds a guy, they investigate, they say this person is an illegal immigrant, they file for removal, they negotiate with the home country, put them on a plane and fly them back.
End of story.
That is due process.
josie glabach
I found the ACLU exactly how they worded it.
The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers.
This was 2014.
The deportation system that heard 75% of people through fast-track streamline removal is a system devoid of fairness and individualized process.
So that's how they were able to word it and get away with...
With pathing it off as truth.
tim pool
Indeed.
Now you've got that story that we've gone over a couple times where it says Trump wants no trials for illegal immigrants, but they never got trials in the first place.
The rare circumstance where illegal immigrants get trials is if they have, like, let's say you're granted a 10-year visa for some reason, and then three years in, they tell you they're revoking it, and they cite some reason.
You can challenge that.
And then you go to court and you challenge it, then you can file an appeal.
So in the instance of Abrego Garcia, he had an order for removal, and he conceded he could be deported, but his lawyer tried using asylum and two, withholding of deportations claims, and that's how they filed after the fact.
So this went before a—so these judges are executive branch magistrates.
They're not like courts.
It's an immigration judge who just says, yeah, he can go.
And then they were like, we want asylum.
That's the game they try to play.
Democrats are trying to get asylum claims for every single one of these people.
Fake news.
phil labonte
Send them home.
Absolutely.
I mean, it should be obvious that he gets sent home.
But I think that these are, the fact that they've arrested, you know, two judges now, the judge and his wife and this other judge, is...
Is good for the American people in that they see that there are repercussions.
They see that the administration is not just talking about stuff.
They see that the things that Republicans have been saying for the better part of a decade, they see that there's actual movement on this stuff.
I don't do predictions very often, but I am of the opinion that this will probably have a positive effect on the administration's overall You know, how people look at the industry.
tim pool
Well, the risk is, with them striking at this one judge...
Other Democrats are going to try and go underground.
They're not going to stop their work.
unidentified
That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool
They're going to entrench.
It's not that you don't do it.
It's that you have to be prepared that they're going to try and hide now.
ian crossland
Also, they're going to try and liken it to the way that the Nazis people were hiding Jews in their houses, like Anne Frank, and the Nazis were going door-to-door searching for them.
They're going to make it seem like that, even though these people are illegally immigrating to this country and need to be removed, whereas the Jewish people were citizens of the German country.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story real quick from Axios.
Congress erupts over FBI arrest of Wisconsin judge and blah, blah, blah.
I don't really care.
The next story is MAGA cheers Wisconsin judge's arrest.
Well, because she's a criminal being arrested.
So this is the, here's Rick Wilson saying, oh, I says on.
So we're, I think it's a typo.
So we're arresting judges now.
Good to know.
Hey, bro, y 'all arrested lawyers first.
I mean, okay, I'm not gonna, here's Amy Klobuchar.
This is not normal.
The administration's arrest of a sitting judge in Wisconsin is a drastic move that threatens the rule of law.
While we don't have all the details, it's a grave step and undermines our system of checks and balances.
Maybe y 'all should not have arrested the frontrunner for the presidency and his lawyers and his associates.
josie glabach
And his valet.
tim pool
And his valet.
phil labonte
Wow.
You'd think that that might occur to them.
tim pool
Didn't they arrest a janitor?
josie glabach
They arrested everybody they could get their hands on.
tim pool
Here's Tina Smith.
Understand what this is.
If Kash Patel and Donald Trump don't like a judge, they think they can arrest them.
This is stunning.
We must stand up to this blatant power grab.
Republicans, how is that a red line for you?
I will not be swayed by psychopathic evil narcissists who have been gutting and burning this country to the ground because now we have actual accountability.
But you know what the important thing is?
The important thing to understand, I should say, There is no off-ramp.
Democrats literally set fire to the Constitution.
Well, I should say figuratively, is how I was using the word literally, set fire to the Constitution to steal power in this country and lost.
And we have to bring about accountability to these people or we are doomed.
But you know what?
It doesn't matter because Democrats are going to say, no matter what you do, you're Hitler.
And stupid people are going to believe it.
So welcome to the highway with no off-ramps.
All we can do is pedal to the metal, baby.
ian crossland
The off-ramp thing is interesting because it feels like a chrysalis.
Like we're in the cocoon emerging now into this new creature as the United States.
And I don't know, Josie, you're basically a constitutional expert.
Do you think that this metamorphosis can sustain?
josie glabach
Well, what I'm worried about is the way that people are interpreting the arrest of judges, because the talking point is he's arresting judges now, you know, because they put him off as being a tyrant.
So now they have to prove that he's a tyrant.
So just talking to the normal people saying he's arresting judges now.
Who do they hear about judges in Trump?
They're hearing about the federal judges who are pushing back and impeding on his executive power, essentially.
So they're thinking they're not thinking that it's judges who are harboring criminals, because that sounds like.
That's crazy.
That's Alex Jones level crazy to them.
Like, no, there's no judges harboring criminal aliens.
That's not happening.
So they're assuming that the judges that are being arrested are the ones who are pushing back against Trump.
Those are the ones.
It's the federal judges who are pushing back against Trump and he's throwing them in jail.
They don't know that they're aiding and abetting because this is not the stuff being reported.
tim pool
No, but they're right.
This judge was pushing back against Trump, trying to create this world that is lawless that Democrats want to live in.
So let's put it this way.
Shout out to Michael Malice because he said recently, I love how all these Republicans become anarchists the moment, you know, like Trump should defy the courts because, right, whoever can enforce the law has the power to do so.
There are a bunch of laws on the books that we never enforce.
Democrats, in their world, we do not enforce deportations.
So when you got that law in Florida that says women can't skydive on Sunday, I think that's not really true, but that's the idea.
We look at that like, well, that's stupid.
Women can skydive whenever they want.
So we don't enforce that.
No cop's going to arrest a woman for skydiving.
Democrats are going, yeah, that's ridiculous.
We're not going to arrest a guy because he's not registered and not a citizen.
He lives here.
He's a Maryland man.
So when Trump says we're going to arrest him, to them, imagine a cop arresting a woman for skydiving on a Sunday, and that's how they view what Trump is doing.
So that judge is doing the legal thing by letting that illegal immigrant escape because we don't enforce those laws.
This is what I'm talking about when I say there's a moral bifurcation in this country, and there is no way to remedy this, and it's a collision course.
So, how about we try the time travel test once again?
So I can rub this in the faces of the naysayers over and over and over again.
Go back in time 10 years and describe everything we've seen so far.
Well, what's going to happen is Trump's going to get elected president.
They're going to accuse him of being a Soviet spy.
No, not a Russian spy, a Soviet spy on MSNBC.
They'll say he's been working for the Soviets since the 80s.
Then they're going to impeach him.
They're going to imprison one of his campaign manager.
They're going to then arrest several of his lower staff, accuse his national security advisor of lying to the FBI to try and put him in jail.
They will arrest Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro.
The worst riots we've seen in 50 years.
A thousand people are going to storm into the Capitol and disrupt the electoral vote count.
And now we get to, oh, also, they're going to arrest Trump's lawyer.
They're going to arrest Trump himself.
They're going to fabricate new laws specifically to go after Donald Trump, notably on the E. Jean Carroll case.
They made a new law in New York just so she could sue him.
They will falsely accuse him of 34 felonies, which don't exist and have no underlying crime.
They'll falsely accuse him of civil fraud.
And then Trump's going to win anyway.
And his FBI director will start.
That's now.
ian crossland
That's the white pill.
If you gave me the time travel test 10 years ago, then he got elected a second time.
Even despite all that stuff, I'd be like, we have some power as American citizens.
tim pool
No, you'd say you're a psychopath and none of that is possible.
ian crossland
Not me.
I was into it, but other people mostly.
tim pool
Okay, accepted.
Ian would be like, yeah.
Machine elves would come too.
ian crossland
Because they kept saying the fall of the American empire is imminent.
This is just the way it manifested.
tim pool
Ultimately, my point is...
ian crossland
More of an alteration than a fall.
tim pool
Every time we do this, imagine going back in time and telling people what happened today.
Imagine going back 10 years and saying, oh yeah, when Trump wins his second term, a non-consecutive term, by the way, after they accuse him of being a Russian spy for 10 years, his new FBI is going to start arresting Democrat and liberal judges for aiding and abetting terrorist organizations and criminal cartels and narco gangs,
illegal immigrants.
People are going to be like, what?
That's insane.
That'll never happen.
ian crossland
You call this like a moral dilemma.
that's what I feel like this is because it's so much like the Nazi Germany, uh, thing with the Jews, the way they were ex like, you know, well, the way they were treating these people is saying,
The play is,
tim pool
if they defeat Donald Trump, they will have gaslit America and created a new history.
You have undocumented Americans and you have documented Americans.
What they're trying to do now is Hitlerize Trump so that if Trump is defeated and crushed, they're going to say, never again will we allow our citizens, our undocumented citizens, to be oppressed and rounded up like this.
This is how their plan is to create.
A system by which in the United States you have undocumented and documented citizens.
They've already tried using that terminology.
They pulled back a little bit.
I believe Hassan Piker on his stream was referring to them as undocumented citizens.
That is too confusing.
They tried this.
So the goal is we will lie about whatever Trump does.
We will make it seem like what he is doing is rounding up the Jews.
And then we will argue to all Americans who think it's bad, we can never do this again.
Which means no more deportations ever.
ian crossland
Alex Jones has obviously Infowars, and I've been critical of the name Infowars, even like Culture War.
I'm like, why manifest war?
But the reality is this information manipulation is a form of psychological warfare.
And people have been using these, what do you want to call it, corporate media, MSNBC, these high-powered fire hoses of data transfer to brainwash people since the inception of the technology, but especially since the advance of the Internet.
And now there's all these other people.
Delivering knowledge as well.
So, I mean, it is a battle, I guess you could say, of the mind.
phil labonte
Would you say it's information warfare?
ian crossland
I think so.
Like, I don't want to soften warfare.
I don't want to soften the term, but it's definitely like information.
phil labonte
Information civil conflict?
Yeah, what?
josie glabach
When it comes to citizens, how they keep saying citizens, written in the amendments.
The 16th, 19th, 24th, and 26th.
It says it has the citizens' right to vote in these ways.
Those are the voting amendments.
So if you want to think of who was ever supposed to vote, it was always meant to be citizens as soon as they involved the federal government.
phil labonte
What was the last part?
What did you say?
josie glabach
As soon as they involved the federal government in voting, because it was always a state's right, it became citizens.
So each of the four voting amendments say it is the right of the citizens to a citizen who's a woman, a citizen who's a freed slave, a citizen, citizen.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, and that points to the fact that Democrats have been trying to get citizens so citizens can vote.
josie glabach
So these are just undocumented citizens.
They can still vote.
phil labonte
Which is still just, I mean, it's just word games to them.
But if they can get the American people to kind of just accept that.
josie glabach
It becomes truth.
phil labonte
Yeah, accept that as truth that that would, you know, that will help them to allow.
The actual non-citizens to vote, which is something that we discussed around the stable year multiple times.
ian crossland
Yeah, without cultural cohesion or belief in it, they won't support the law.
If people really believe they're citizens, they won't step up to have them.
tim pool
Let me help you out, Ian.
First, generational warfare.
Line and column tactics, muskets, formal battlefields.
Second generation warfare is firepower, mass artillery and trenches.
Industrialization.
Third-generation warfare is maneuver, blitzkrieg, strategic attack points.
So this is more like World War II.
Fourth-generational warfare, decentralized non-state actors, psychological and information warfare.
Blurring the lines between civilians and combatants, and finally now, today, fifth-generational warfare, information, cyber, psychological, and perception manipulation.
There are no clear battlefields, and wars are fought in mines and online more than on land.
ian crossland
Yeah, you get someone to destroy themselves.
tim pool
Influence operations, AI warfare attacks, and cyber attacks.
ian crossland
Man, they always say the modern war, you don't want it because you never know how it's going to be.
Like, World War I, they didn't realize there were going to be machine gun nests, and that's where we're at, staring down this AI manipulation right now.
tim pool
Isn't it fascinating how wrong?
I think it was Einstein, right?
Who said, I know for not which weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Boy, was he wrong!
Because likely World War III is going to be subterfuge, cyber attacks, and perception manipulation.
No, it's not going to be kinetic.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's the point.
The consequences and the cost of a global war, of all-out global war, like a World War I or II was, it's too high.
And that's why information warfare is what nation-states have defaulted to.
Espionage and proxy wars and stuff like that.
tim pool
But I don't think it's a cost issue.
I think it's an effectiveness issue.
Cost is a component of that, but it's basically...
If you could go to Genghis Khan and say, I will conquer all of this land towards Eastern Europe and to Asia, and you will never lift a sword or a bow or a spear, do you want that?
They would say yes.
ian crossland
Yeah, he preferred that.
If people would surrender, he'd let them live.
phil labonte
But with nuclear war, you're ruining the land.
tim pool
The point is, that's not going to happen.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's right.
It doesn't happen.
And so they default to something else.
tim pool
No, it's not going to happen because it's not as effective as manipulating the entire population into bowing before you.
Nuking a country makes that country hate you forever.
Well, maybe not forever.
ian crossland
I mean, look at Japan.
But we did kind of invade and take over Japan.
tim pool
So instead of nuking a country, destroying land, it is cheaper, faster, and easier to take over their minds through manipulation.
ian crossland
Oh, especially with decentralized tech.
It could happen overnight.
Internet video can manipulate a hundred million people.
phil labonte
I still think that the fact that you spoil the land is a big part of the reason why none of the global...
Superpowers ever actually got into direct conflict.
There was proxy wars and stuff like that because those were a better option and now that...
Proxy wars aren't really, well, there are some proxy wars, but now that information flows so freely, because before the internet, information flow wasn't so that you could use information warfare the way that we did.
So you had, after the end of World War II, until basically until 2000, you know, say 2000, just for, you know, when most people in the developed world had computers in their houses.
You know, you didn't have the ability to really influence minds over the internet or influence minds with pop propaganda.
The United States was fairly isolated.
It used to be militaries that wanted to influence...
People or populations, they had to either fly over and drop leaflets or they had to have people on the ground printing newspapers and producing television shows or whatever, having some way to spread that propaganda.
Now that the internet is in everyone's home and people can go wherever they want, that makes it possible to actually transmit information.
tim pool
So the question is, what is the most effective means of warfare and nukes ain't it?
phil labonte
Not anymore, yeah.
tim pool
So it's not an issue of we're going to ruin land.
No, if we truly wanted to wipe out an enemy, we'd march to the sea.
We'd go scorched earth.
The issue is it's substantially cheaper to hire a bunch of Turkish dudes with 50 phones each to spam blast a nation and have them turn their country over to you in a couple years.
ian crossland
That's what concerns me about the industry in China, the shipping, the American industry to China over the last 20 or 30 years, because I think this psychological war has been what's been going on since the dawn of time, but it's really ramped up since the age of the Internet.
And to lose that production capacity, like there's this game, Axis and Allies, wonderful World War II, board game, better than Risk.
It's not about money.
None of the countries ever buy stuff with money.
You buy it with production power.
If you have factories, you can build troops.
You can build, you know, armor, tanks, planes.
If you don't have factories, you can't.
And that's it.
It's called GDP.
So without your productive capacity, you're impotent on the global military stage.
We need to get those factories back here or build new ones.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
We have this clip from Fox News of Pam Bondi.
It turns out that the New Mexico Democrat judge did not just harbor this guy, but apparently is being accused of giving him a rifle.
And let's just say doing more than harboring, trying to cover up and protect him.
Listen to this.
sandra smith
The associations with this violent Venezuelan gang, Trende Aragua, and this person that they harbored in their home, he was showing signs through clothing, we're told, tattoos.
There was evidence through voice messages and text messages of his association to TDA.
So what charges will Cano and his wife face, if any?
pam bondi
So Judge Cano, soon to be former Judge Cano, his charges were just unsealed.
He's charged with obstruction.
He is charged.
He admitted post-Miranda.
He took one of the TDA members' cell phones himself, took it, beat it with a hammer, destroyed it, and then walked the pieces to a city dumpster to dispose of it to protect it.
The wife also is charged with destroying evidence.
Sandra, not only that, this...
He was a TDA member and he had on a necklace that said kill, something about death.
He had tattoos all over him.
He also had on his cell phone pictures of two decapitated victims.
unidentified
Wow.
pam bondi
Victims.
Decapitated, gruesome photos.
And he was sending them out and whoever he was sending them to was sending back saying, hey, you need to be careful.
You shouldn't be sending these.
You shouldn't be texting these photos out.
Not only that, the judge and his wife gave him assault rifles that belonged to their daughter.
That's what they're charged with.
HE'S NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT.
tim pool
I'm going to stop there and say I'm pretty sure they didn't give him an assault rifle.
it was probably that it can air 15. Come on, Pam.
pam bondi
In the criminal report affidavit, he goes to a shooting range with these assault rifles, with a suppressor, with other known TDs.
tim pool
Okay, actually, maybe then.
pam bondi
is the last person that we want in our country, nor will we ever tolerate a judge or anyone else harboring them.
tim pool
Well, if it was a suppressor as well, maybe it actually was a legit assault rifle.
ian crossland
It's just a vague term, assault.
It could be a fully automatic...
tim pool
It specifically refers to select fire.
unidentified
What is it?
tim pool
Semi-auto, burst, and full auto?
ian crossland
Sure, that makes sense if you're actually going to assault a target.
tim pool
Typically when people are saying that, well, that's what it means.
Typically when people say assault rifle like Democrats, it means literally nothing.
It means scary-looking gun.
josie glabach
How did this TDA member get into the house?
How did this even come about where a judge would be like, yeah, you can come live in my house with my children?
tim pool
Judge is probably TDA too.
ian crossland
That's a great question, Joe.
I have no idea.
tim pool
Well, apparently he was dating his daughter.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
But the point, largely in my opinion, is, look, after a couple decades of criminal gangs, narco gangs coming into this country, they're going to get positions of power.
They seek them out.
They want the authority.
And we are seeing it now.
Like this Democrat, this liberal, she's not a Democrat, liberal judge in Wisconsin.
I wouldn't be surprised if she's paid off or ending the take.
That she's doing this, not because she's like, I think it's wrong that they're arresting illegal immigrants, but she's like, uh-oh, there's my paycheck.
Quick, get out of here.
ian crossland
Well, that's a whole other level of betrayal that people are getting bribed to facilitate it.
And we know that people got bribed or at least got paid NGOs to run people up through Central America from the Darien Gap into the United States, that there were actual organizations and companies facilitating it.
I wouldn't be surprised if that goes beyond the border.
But, you know.
phil labonte
What do you mean beyond the border?
ian crossland
I don't think those NGOs just stop at the border of the United States and just say, okay, we're done.
I have a feeling that they're still interacting with people in the United States.
tim pool
Of course they are.
James O 'Keefe exposed a lot of these people.
josie glabach
So there's a judicial immunity and it's a common law practice, which essentially means that the judges made it up for themselves.
And that only goes to civil offenses, but it almost feels like they're trying to extend it to criminal offenses at this point.
But that's not constitutional.
tim pool
So what's next?
ian crossland
Well, I keep thinking about how glad I am.
phil labonte
More judges, hopefully.
josie glabach
Well, the only way...
tim pool
I mean, what are Democrats going to do to respond to this?
Are they routed and the deep state just...
ian crossland
I would say, I just watched your interview with Sebastian Gorka, which people should watch, and he said no.
Give it 18 months, then we'll talk.
tim pool
Yeah.
He said, what did he say effectively?
That they're still entrenched and powerful.
We haven't won yet.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was speaking up for, like, why you're not hearing a lot from Kash Patel or Dan Bongino.
I mean, they're basically the head of the secret police, the FBI.
Hopefully they're doing justice, you know, and they're not going to be telling you everything they're doing.
phil labonte
It's not the secret police.
tim pool
The deep state is secret police.
ian crossland
It's also a secret police force, unfortunately, but the FBI is supposed to be the government's secret police.
phil labonte
They're a regular police force.
A secret police force would be like...
They just wrap you up and then you're never heard from again.
josie glabach
Well, that's what they were saying when they were taking people, they were calling it disappearing them.
phil labonte
Yeah, well, that's Democrats just being histrionic.
tim pool
But look, again, these people exist.
There are many of them.
And they are claiming that Donald Trump is doing Hitler things.
Expect.
Some kind of escalation.
ian crossland
So I keep seeing...
I'm really glad Pete Hegseth is so vocal and transparent with what they're doing with the DOD.
I follow him on Twitter, and you should, too, if you're interested.
He comes on, he makes videos two, three times a day sometimes about...
Changes.
And Pam Bondi, super transparent.
But then I'm like, okay, think about the Nazi metaphor.
So is Joseph Goebbels.
They weren't transparent.
They were just vocal.
phil labonte
Why are you associating the current administration with a murderous regime?
What is it about our current administration that resembles the Nazis to you?
ian crossland
Two questions you asked.
The first one is because art of war.
Understand your enemy.
Understand the way that these...
phil labonte
Who is your enemy?
ian crossland
Well, no one really, but the liberal media, whatever you want to call this media that's going to frame these people as Nazis, think the way they think if you want to understand how to circumvent and defeat the process.
tim pool
Okay, good point.
Pause real quick.
These people don't actually think Trump is Hitler.
They're lying.
ian crossland
The people that are saying it, I think they are lying, but the people hearing it and believing it, okay, understand the way they're going to be manipulated.
tim pool
And they're not the strategists, and they're not the resource providers.
So if you're actually talking about how do you understand the mentality of the deep state, their mentality is much more like we can rally violent terror attacks by claiming Trump is like Hitler.
Not to actually say Trump is like Hitler.
josie glabach
Those people would feel justified in whatever action they had to do to stop Hitler.
phil labonte
The only reason I bring that up is I think it's unproductive for people to associate...
At least people with a realistic understanding of reality to associate the current administration with the Nazis because they're nothing alike at all.
tim pool
But you said two points.
What was your other point?
ian crossland
The second question.
You had two questions.
The first was, why do I...
tim pool
He said, why are you likening the current administration to the Nazis?
ian crossland
I think because it's a populist movement with a strong...
Trump's basically a strong man as a president.
tim pool
So are the communists.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's basically like we're in a sort of cultural revolution, whether we want to be or not, globally and domestically.
And with the mass immigration problem of trying to find people and get them out of the country, the Nazis were going through that with the Jewish population.
phil labonte
The Nazis literally went into other countries to get Jews.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
There's not...
Like, getting illegal immigrants out of the United States has no relation to the way that...
ian crossland
I want you to know, I do not think this is like a Nazi administration at all.
I don't find it even remotely national or socialist in any...
It's a capitalist, like, global, like, organized movement.
It's not...
It's well beyond...
But people will make this claim.
Thanks, man.
Protein smoothie?
Why, can you see that I'm shaking?
tim pool
No, I was gonna do that...
You must be hungry thing from like the Snickers commercial.
Like you're sitting here saying Trump's like Hitler and I'm like, you need to eat, bro.
unidentified
He's not like Hitler.
ian crossland
People have claimed he's like Hitler and the masses are going to...
josie glabach
You're not yourself.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
I don't...
I kind of want to buy a bunch of Snickers bars and then whenever some lib goes off and goes crazy accusing Trump of being Hitler, just like throw a Snickers at him.
unidentified
You must be hangry.
tim pool
It's the effectiveness of that advertisement.
phil labonte
Just chicken nuggets and start throwing nuggets at him.
Like dino nuggies.
ian crossland
I brought it up because I was so glad that Hegseth and Pambani are vocal and transparent because we didn't have that with Lloyd Austin in the last administration at all.
But then I was like, well...
Being public isn't necessarily in and of itself good, because I thought about Goebbels, and I was like, they were very vocal in public.
They were just liars and manipulators.
These guys seem to be honest, at least.
They seem to be.
I mean, Cash Patel, I would say, is one of my best friends.
I've only hung out with him for four hours, but I love the guy.
He's an excellent human being.
tim pool
Cash is watching right now, and he's like, I'm not best friends with that guy.
ian crossland
I know, not at all, but he's the kind of guy I could easily go fishing with.
tim pool
Bro, he plays hockey in D.C. like...
Is he on the same team as Richie McGinnis?
ian crossland
I wouldn't surprise me.
phil labonte
Who was it here that was here the other day?
It was Richie McGinnis.
tim pool
I think they're on the hockey team together.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
I'd love to get Dan or Cash on the show, but as their head of law enforcement, you can't really be like, hey, would you want to come on and expose all the operations you're engaged in because we know you're doing...
They can't do it.
ian crossland
And now we're in this position where we're not on the inside, but inside adjacent to a global...
The revolutionary force of the world right now, like the American government, and we actually know people that are running it.
phil labonte
That revolutionary force of the world?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
The American government is a revolution.
The United States is a revolution.
Tim told me that one time five years ago, and it stuck with me.
It is.
That's what we are, is a constant revolution.
tim pool
We had kings, and the kings were better people.
And then the Americans were like, nah, that's whack.
Let's not do that.
ian crossland
And we wrote it into our Constitution that we can constantly revolve our system of governance through amendments.
New people come in, the revolving door come in, come out.
tim pool
You know, I do think the Founding Fathers probably realized this much later on, having earned the experience of a union, that they created a great system, but there's no such thing as a perfect system.
So how could they have predicted a mechanism by which you would stop a judicial coup?
What happens when judges, to a great degree, are aligned ideologically and are seeking to undermine or overthrow the government?
ian crossland
Josie, what do you...
josie glabach
So in the Constitution, the most that can happen is impeachment, obviously, but that was hard to do before we were ideologically captured.
It was very hard to do.
So what Congress has the power to do is to regulate...
Their jurisdictions of all the judges, they're able to shrink where they are, and that can affect who comes to them and what they're able to rule over and stuff, and that's it.
That's as far as they can go.
It would have to be, I mean, it would have to be the Chief Justice to come out and get his people in order, because we've never seen anything like this.
ian crossland
The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court?
How would he get his people in order?
josie glabach
I don't know.
ian crossland
So these people like a Wisconsin district judge that's like, Trump can't do that thing?
josie glabach
All that they can do is just keep ignoring it.
Because what will happen?
Okay, you're going to ignore, you're going to ignore.
Nope, now you're in contempt.
Now we have to arrest you.
Who are they going to send to arrest him?
His own police?
That's not going to happen.
So, you know, we're in.
I don't like using it.
This is kind of a constitutional crisis.
It's just because we've never been here before.
We've never seen anything like this.
So when it comes to these federal injunctions, we have one every few years, two, three.
We've had 30 in the first month.
This is not something that happens.
So I have no idea how to solve it.
ian crossland
We sort of pointed out a couple weeks ago, maybe last week, that a lot of it seems to have to do with the speed of data transfer now with Internet.
As soon as Trump makes a move, everyone in the country hears about it within five minutes.
So judges are on the phone.
They're filing paperwork within eight minutes.
And the Constitution wasn't ready for the Internet.
josie glabach
They can find out who is filing all these injunctions, and if it's an NGO or something, they can try to shut that down.
tim pool
You know what's pretty wild is I just interviewed Secretary Duffy, Kristi Noem, and Sebastian Gorka.
And Secretary Noem, of course, is running DHS.
And I was thinking to myself, like, wow.
20 years ago, what would I have thought if someone said, you will be interviewing the head of DHS and you will agree with them?
Right?
That's kind of a crazy thing.
phil labonte
You're full of it.
tim pool
No, I don't know.
I'd be like, so we won?
Because that's how I feel.
You've got a lot of these people who are adversarial journalists who are just like, you know, when we had Tehran, why are you defending them?
And it's like, I'm not defending Peg Seth.
I'm challenging your presumption that SignalGate matters.
To the average person.
It does not.
It matters to politicos who are liberal.
But you go to a regular working class guy and say, do you care that Hegseth had a journalist in a chat talking about the time that they were going to do some strikes?
unidentified
They'd be like, I don't know, I guess.
tim pool
Or if I said, Trump's tariffs have affected your 401k, yes or no?
They'd say, yeah, it did.
I'm not happy about it.
Ah, okay, so what do people really care about?
Certainly it's not that.
ian crossland
You gotta keep in mind that Hegseth didn't leak that stuff.
Other people are seemingly trying to take that guy down because he's doing such an effective job and working.
tim pool
Oh, it's getting wild.
josie glabach
He doesn't want to go to war with Iran.
phil labonte
Yeah.
josie glabach
That's really what it comes down to.
tim pool
And I think Tulsi Gabbard, too, advised Trump, do not do this.
Israel wanted a joint strike, and Trump was like, what do we do?
Tulsi Gabbard, and I think Hegseth, too, I'm not entirely sure, were like, no.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Laura Loomer's been reporting on that a lot that she thinks that there's a big takedown effort of Hegseth at the moment.
josie glabach
Well, there was.
He was the hardest one to get through confirmation.
tim pool
Was he the 50-50 one?
josie glabach
Yeah, he was the hardest one to get through it.
They're like, this is the measure for everybody else.
If we can get him through, we can get everybody through.
phil labonte
J.D. Vance had to run on over to the Capitol.
tim pool
And then do a tiebreaker.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
ian crossland
He's got goosebumps, bro.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Sorry, what are you saying?
phil labonte
You okay?
ian crossland
It's electrifying to be part of this.
phil labonte
Okay.
Look, I mean, at the end of the day...
tim pool
Real quick, sorry, sorry.
Ian, did you ever think in your time you would have actually sat next to a guy who would go on to become the head of the FBI?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Like, here you are hanging out, talking with Cash Patel, he's been on the show, and now he runs the FBI.
ian crossland
I used to say when I was a kid, I'll be president one day, and then I learned what that actually meant, and I was like, I'm not going to do that.
And now the circle's coming back around where it's like, yo, if people ask me to hold the position, I'll hold the position.
tim pool
I take a look at, you know, Cash, of course, he wrote that book.
Was it called Government Gangsters?
Was that his book?
I think so.
And I remember, like, we've had him on several times.
We talked to him.
The first time I interviewed Trump, we actually had cash on for the majority of the show.
And then we only had about 17 minutes with the president.
At the time, he wasn't president.
And where I feel we are now is kind of, it's insane.
It was like, I remember we were in Austin when Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty.
And it was crazy.
All the women were crying.
Like, my mom was crying.
She's, like, texting me, like, I can't believe it.
Justice, we're so happy for this young man.
When Trump won, and then over the next, you know, month or so, when he gets Tulsi Gabbard in, Cash, Dan Bongino, Pam Bondi, it's like we are winning these positions.
So when I brought up, you know, it's kind of crazy to sit next to Kristi Noem and be like, the head of DHS, wow.
But I actually agree with these people.
For most of my life, the people have been in these positions of power have been deep state shills, uniparty talking
liars. Now it's Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, and it's kind of crazy because it's like, oh, boy, they got a lot of work in front of them, and they are in one of the most dangerous positions.
We view it largely as a position of power, but now you've got the entire orchestrated global liberal economic order not happy with what they're doing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, it's no joke.
That the Trump administration has actually embarked on is massive.
I mean, and as much as people complain, oh, you know, they're not moving fast enough, blah, blah, blah.
The fact that two judges or three, a judge and his wife and another judge have been, you know, arrested.
I mean, I can't imagine that happening under any other administration.
I mean, I don't think that that.
That certainly, obviously, wouldn't happen under the Biden administration.
tim pool
And I want to say this, too, just everybody to reiterate.
You mentioned the Gorka interview.
He mentions that Cash Patel was a victim of the deep state.
It went after him.
So Cash now, as head of the FBI, and Dan Bongino as deputy director, a lot of people are posting on X. They're like, why aren't they doing anything?
I want the files.
I want the arrest.
And they're angry.
I just hope everyone realizes, by taking those positions, They have put themselves in front of Donald Trump.
They're in the line of fire.
Deep state actors arrested his lawyers, his people who worked on his campaign.
They arrested his valet, as Josie mentioned earlier.
They arrested him.
They lied about him.
They smeared him.
They accused him of sexual assault and felonies and fraud.
When Cash and Dan took that position, the question was simple.
Will you take a job knowing that if you fail it...
They will destroy everything you know and love.
phil labonte
There's a possibility that when this administration is over, if the Democrats win, there's a significant possibility that all the people in this administration become targets of the...
tim pool
They'll go to jail.
It'll be prison.
If Cash and Dan do not succeed in their efforts, if Kristi Noem and Trump do not succeed in their efforts, when this is over, Trump's going to prison.
They're going to go after Cash and Dan.
They're going to accuse them of illegal activities.
They're going to accuse them of weaponizing government.
This is the thing people need to understand.
I don't care what Democrats are saying.
They're lying.
They've been lying.
The arrest of these judges, we can see why.
Now, let's see them convicted, of course, in a court of law with the evidence.
But we know for a fact the Biden administration has.
The Democrats can and will go after their political opponents unjustly.
So, yeah, I firmly believe that if in the end, in four years from now, the Trump administration accomplished nothing, they failed to deport, Democrats win back power, they will convene panels and hearings, they will immediately indict Cashin, Dan, and whoever else,
and say that they were working alongside a criminal government under Trump.
They'll begin using that pretext to reverse Trump policies, bring people back.
They're going to say, I mean, this has just begun, right?
But take a look at the Obrego Garcia story, where they're lying to insinuate this man is an American citizen by saying he's a Maryland man.
They will create a false history where they will say to Christine Ohm, you oversaw the illegal kidnapping and rendition of a Maryland resident to a torture dungeon.
Jail.
It's going to be like in Dark Knight Rises, when you've got the court of the people, and they just bring people in and they're like, you're guilty!
ian crossland
Oh, kangaroo courts?
Those always concern me, the idea of fast-tracking courts.
I think it's going to be, if you take eight years of economic reform and we're actually getting bread cheaper, I think that the people will be on the side of...
What's happening right now?
tim pool
I think, you know, when I talk to these classic libs, you know, I did a sit down with the trigonometry guys a while ago.
I don't know when they're putting that interview up.
But even Rogan, to a certain degree, they live in this world of if Trump does something that is over the line.
Democrats will do it next, and they'll do it to you.
And it's like, I don't think they understand.
The Democrats are going to do it no matter what we do.
ian crossland
Josie, you said constitutional crisis.
And I know it just sounds like, eh, okay, we've been in so many crises these days, but that's like a big deal, as far as I can tell.
josie glabach
It's a loophole.
They were able to put all of these federal judges in.
This is why elections are important, because...
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
Dude, my phone's AI just picked up and started talking to me, and I have the volume down.
Sorry about that, Josie.
tim pool
Was it trying to get into the conversation and argue something?
ian crossland
Yeah, I was like, Ian, shut up.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
I just shut it off.
I don't know what it was saying.
tim pool
It was like, Ian, you're rolling ones.
phil labonte
I was like, Ian, step it up.
tim pool
For the Culture War Live, we're getting little signs printed up that are D20s, and on one side is a 1 and the other side is a 20. So when people are debating, people can hold them up.
ian crossland
I'll holler.
Okay, Josie, sorry.
josie glabach
I completely forgot what I was saying.
ian crossland
It was the technocrats.
tim pool
He was asking about the constitutional crisis and what it means.
josie glabach
Okay, so they were able to get all of these federal judges in, and I said this is why elections are important, because the Senate confirms the judges.
So Mitch McConnell, for all of his faults, and there are many, many, many, many, many faults, he did get 10,000 conservative judges approved in his time.
So that's great.
tim pool
I don't know how much that means, because...
Are they populist judges or are they elitist uniparty shill?
josie glabach
It's probably a mix, I would guess.
But they're not progressive judges, which we have seen the progressive judges.
tim pool
So intervention but no sterilizing kids?
josie glabach
Pretty much.
tim pool
I don't know how I feel about that.
Like they're both really bad.
josie glabach
Yeah.
It's not great.
We're not in a great place.
But they were able to find this sort of loophole in the Constitution, which is one of the very few that I see personally that can't be remedied.
And they were able to exploit it by putting all their people in and saying, there's no repercussions.
You're never going to impeach these people.
tim pool
Pack the courts.
Pack the court right now.
Because if Trump doesn't, Democrats will.
ian crossland
The Supreme Court?
josie glabach
It's the last place.
The Supreme Court is the last place that's not completely...
We still have...
I mean, it's not looking good with how Amy Coney Barrett's been and how Justice Robert has been.
We could look at it and say, okay, well, it does look like it's 4-5 right now, but packing it is...
We're going to pack it, say they put 14 in, the Democrats are going to get in power and they'll put 19 in.
phil labonte
It'll be endlessly trying to.
josie glabach
That's going to slow down rulings, that's going to make things...
And in that time when there are 19 Democratic judges sitting on there, Second Amendment is gone.
tim pool
So here's the issue.
The way it was supposed to work in this country is that there was a federal circuit for each Supreme Court justice.
We had nine circuits, so we have nine justices.
However, we added more states and expanded the territories, and now we have 13 circuits and still nine justices, which means John Roberts oversees the fourth, Clarence Thomas the 11th, Alito the third, Sotomayor oversees the first and the second.
You've got Kagan for the fifth, Gorsuch for the tenth, Kavanaugh for the D.C. Circuit, Amy Coney Barrett for the seventh circuit, and Ketanji Brown-Jackson for the sixth.
The ninth circuit is usually assigned to Kagan as well, but sometimes gets reassigned.
So the argument from Democrats during Biden and during Obama was, we better pack the courts.
We need four more justices right now so that there's a justice for each federal circuit.
Trump must do this, in my opinion.
ian crossland
Well, some of those circuits are different sizes of people, so smashing two smaller circuits together might make sense.
Maybe that's how they're doing it.
And so to add another judge that has a small circuit wouldn't make any sense.
tim pool
Don't care.
ian crossland
I think that the Supreme Court's kind of whack in general.
tim pool
If Trump does not do it, Democrats will.
I believe it is a 100% chance if Democrats at any point regain power, the first thing they'll do is pack the court.
josie glabach
They will.
They will pack the court.
tim pool
Because they will say, never again to Donald Trump, and we can ensure this if we give ourselves a bulletproof majority in the Supreme Court, and then they're going to just ram through law by SCOTUS ruling, which is unconstitutional and shouldn't be done.
phil labonte
I mean, it's clear that the Democrats do want, like, single-party rule.
They don't see the value of having opposing viewpoints at all.
And you see it in the way the party acts, like the People on the Ground Act, they excommunicate people for having the wrong opinion.
If you have a dissenting opinion, they're like, oh, well, you're persona non grata.
They're a cult.
And so it stands to reason that they would see government like that as a good thing, even though you can look at a state like California, which has that single party rule, and see all the massive problems.
The governor is trying to walk away from that kind of constantly only listening to people in his own party.
I mean, maybe it's for cynical reasons because he's looking to be the president, but it still doesn't change the fact that people are leaving California.
There are people that are constantly criticizing California's government because it's failing the people.
ian crossland
You're making me think of David Hogg as you were talking about that, because he's, what, DNC head?
Not head of DNC.
josie glabach
Vice chair.
ian crossland
Vice chair of the DNC, and they're trying to, now they're looking to push the guy out because he challenged the Uniparty, basically.
Like, welcome to the Democratic Party, bro.
Superdelegates, you have no power in that party.
phil labonte
They pay his shoes.
tim pool
I love it.
ian crossland
And I'm glad that it's Hogg because he's got a lot of influence.
He has a very liberal upbringing and has been through a shocking experience at Parkland with the school shooting that he was a part of, involved in.
And it just transformed his...
tim pool
Wait, what?
ian crossland
He was there when it happened.
phil labonte
Oh, he wasn't there.
ian crossland
Oh, I thought he was in the school.
He was at home.
josie glabach
He rode his bike to the school.
ian crossland
One of the more vocal people involved with that coming out of an activism.
tim pool
Let's clarify.
I believe he was somewhere at the school, nowhere near the shooting.
And went home.
And then when he found out that they were doing interviews, he jumped on his bike and went as fast as he could to the school to get interviews.
ian crossland
I think he's going to be somebody...
I have a lot of compassion for him in general just because I think he's going to be someone that is going to have an arc where he leaves the Democratic Party and realizes how vile it was and then just starts speaking out about what he believes.
And that's a good opportunity to...
phil labonte
That's a very charitable position.
ian crossland
Yeah, like look at the way they're treating that.
He's like the Bernie...
But Bernie Sanders...
He's not Bernie Sanders.
He's getting the Bernie Sanders treatment right now.
From what I can tell.
phil labonte
Well, like the DNC, there's a reason though, but the DNC is supposed to worry about getting Democrats elected over Republicans, not which Democrats are in positions of power.
Like once you've got a Democrat in a seat to challenge that seat and possibly lose that seat because of the challenge is a bad thing for the vice chair of the Democrat DNC to do.
tim pool
Just for the sake of clarity.
He was, uh, David Hogg was at the school during the shooting.
Uh, they heard gunshots and were redirected by a janitor, uh, and then hidden, uh, wait, I'm sorry, a culinary arts teacher, sheltered them in a closet.
He filmed a bunch of videos, got out safely, and went home, and then rode his bike back to the school after dark and gave interviews.
phil labonte
Ah, okay.
ian crossland
It's, you know, when I was younger too, it's easy to be like use socialism to try and solve problems.
But, you know, you learn as you get older, a lot of times that you got to take personal responsibility and protect your, your local environment.
And if everyone's doing that, you don't really need socialism because you're all working together.
There's decentralized unity to protect the,
tim pool
I say we just rapidly introduce Neuralink AI technology as fast as we can and bestowed upon Democrats.
They'll be happy.
Then they'll live in the pod and eat the bugs.
phil labonte
Or we could not.
tim pool
What do you mean?
phil labonte
That sounds like a terrible idea.
tim pool
To have all the Democrats choose to go into the pods and eat the bugs and leave us alone?
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
That resolves all problems for everybody.
Trans people can live in a reality where they're women, and then they're not voting in our elections.
The right can have babies and live and go to church.
Everybody's happy.
phil labonte
I feel like you're just trying to make the Borg.
ian crossland
That's what I'm thinking, too.
tim pool
I didn't say they would have any control over these environments.
ian crossland
Somebody would have control.
tim pool
Like, bro, you know what happens when you're playing in World of Warcraft and you try using mods to cheat?
The admins come and boot you out of the game.
So they'll have no authority over it.
It'll be run by us.
And we'll say, don't worry.
We will do everything in our power to make sure you're happy and comfortable as you own nothing, live in the pot and eat the bugs.
But don't worry.
Don't feel shame from living in the pot and eating the bugs because in your private little universe...
You're the dragon slayer Vanmark who rides at night and shines the golden sword.
phil labonte
They'd all be just perverse hurt.
Sure.
They'd all be just disgusting.
tim pool
Well, but true, but sometimes it would be perverted, disgusting garbage as they pretend to be Vanmark, the paladin of the dragon.
ian crossland
So, hypothetical, if there was like a political movement that took on neural link and then they had a hive mind, would you then take on a hive mind with another movement to try and challenge it?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Because I feel like it's an unstoppable force, a hive mind, like the Borg is unstoppable almost.
tim pool
No, the vulnerability of hive minds is the susceptibility of viruses.
The strength of a decentralized system is if a portion of that decentralized system is corrupt, it doesn't spread as rapidly and can be prevented.
josie glabach
I feel like David Hogg's loyalties, he wouldn't become a libertarian, he wouldn't become a conservative, he'd get more radical to the left.
I feel like he would have...
tim pool
I agree completely.
I mean that legitimately.
When I see someone who I view as has the potential to be really Hitler-esque, it's David Hogg.
josie glabach
Yes.
tim pool
He is a narcissistic sociopath who is driven by attention and power.
He doesn't care what's true because if he did, he'd look up what's true or he knows it's true and he's lying intentionally for power.
So he comes off as...
Really sociopathic and on a quest for power.
AOC as well.
ian crossland
He's kind of young.
Hogg is, what is it, 24 at this point?
24. He's still got time.
Give it like three or four years.
I was definitely like, not a communist, but I was like, we can all do this together.
We are all one.
Follow me.
I will save us.
Revolution, that kind of mindset up until like age 29 when I realized like, oh, we can 3D print guns.
You can't control people anymore.
I think Hogg, hopefully, I mean, it's kind of like, it's not predestined.
We can have him here on a show.
You can have conversations with him.
We change together.
But he is like the kind of guy that's super influential.
And if you just send him off into the nether to go build a movement alone with his cohorts, it could be very dangerous.
It's not just David.
It's people in that position.
phil labonte
I wonder how influential he actually is.
I mean, obviously he's got a lot of followers.
tim pool
I don't think he is.
phil labonte
But I don't know that he's...
Yeah, I don't know that he's actually...
He's not an opinion maker.
tim pool
I actually don't find him to be particularly influential.
He's been sitting around a million followers forever on accident.
It's a big amount, don't get me wrong, but it's not growing.
He's not building a base.
This is like, what is this, six, seven years he's had that amount of followers?
He's not advanced his influence in any meaningful way.
Name the other vice chairs of the DNC.
You can't.
He's as prominent as they are.
We know his name because he's easy to pick on.
And I do mean that.
He's probably 100 pounds soaking wet.
So when he goes on TV and doesn't know what he's talking about and looks stupid, it's an easy target for conservatives.
josie glabach
I drag him mercilessly at least once a month.
tim pool
You know, Dean Withers apparently has given up and he's just now taken to doing podcasts with random people who have no idea what they're talking about.
ian crossland
I saw him with a Charlie Kirk event.
That might have been an old video.
I just saw it today.
tim pool
Yeah, that was Jubilee, wasn't it?
josie glabach
I don't know.
ian crossland
He's trying to get interviewed.
Charlie wouldn't talk to him.
I don't know when it was from, though.
josie glabach
So he's trying to debate people or talk to people or interview anybody?
tim pool
The clips that I'm seeing people share, it's no longer...
He got a big boost when he was yelling at Charlie Kirk or somebody.
ian crossland
That was the Jubilee thing I saw, yeah.
tim pool
And now it's like the videos that people are sharing of him is him talking to random people on the street.
So he's doing that.
josie glabach
Man on the street stuff?
tim pool
Yeah, but he's also got podcast clips where he's in a room doing a podcast talking to someone who's like a random nobody.
Who's just like, I don't know, I voted for Trump.
It's like, why?
It's like, oh, I don't know.
And it's like, oh, oh, oh.
You know, so I don't think, you know, people really thought that he had something, this Dean Withers guy.
And then he kind of just fell off.
And I think he's too scared to actually engage.
The actual political space.
ian crossland
Like he feels like his position's tenuous at the moment.
tim pool
No, but I mean, look at Harry Sisson and who's that other guy?
Maori or whatever?
These guys are largely afraid of going into actual political spaces.
ian crossland
I think Dean's different, though.
tim pool
This is why I think Politicon failed.
You guys remember Politicon?
For those that don't know, it was a political debate convention for the most part.
It was panels were had between various individuals of different backgrounds.
But it's just going to be conservatives because these younger liberals are terrified to actually engage in these conversations because they end up looking like Luke Beasley did on this show.
And now he doesn't want to come back.
He doesn't want to do any debates.
He won't do it.
We've said anybody you want.
They don't want to do it.
We do have success with smaller, less well-known liberals because they don't have anything to lose.
josie glabach
It's hard to be influential in that space because...
They can't really think for themselves.
They have to follow a very specific script.
If they go out of line, then, you know, the cult comes for them, and they're like, nope, you can't say that.
You can't do that.
You know, I think on a previous show, Tim, you talked about, like, abortion, for instance.
You could be the biggest communist in the world, but then you're like, maybe there should be a limit on abortion.
It's like, nope, you're out.
tim pool
Yeah, you could.
Jimmy Dore, he's the example he was all the time.
I mean, the dude's a socialist economically, and he's called right-wing.
Like, the left calls him a right-winger.
It makes no sense.
ian crossland
As soon as you start to explore reality, I mean, almost any of these conspiracy theories, not any by any means, but like 9-11 for me, the war in Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, you start to go down that, it's just this whole liberal economic sham becomes apparent.
You start to see the lines and the outlines of it all, and like, how can I live a lie?
I cannot live a lie.
tim pool
So this is the issue with these liberal personalities and why they don't do shows.
unidentified
Because...
tim pool
If you were to sit down in a chair where everybody has a computer pulled up and a monitor where we display, I mean, I got a monitor in front of me.
There's a monitor behind Ian and a gigantic TV on the wall showing this story that you are seeing on the screen now.
So when I think one of the big moments on this show is when Hunter Avalone came on and I said, well, look, you know, Joe Biden said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting a billion dollars.
And he smugly went, that never happened.
And here's this kid actually thought that was so he was lied to.
The liberals were saying that never happened, so he genuinely believed it.
And then I went, okay, and I pulled the video up in literally 30 seconds and pressed play and said, yeah, you were wrong about that, now what?
And it's humiliating.
josie glabach
He doesn't have any talking points.
He had to be wrong about that because it just simply didn't happen.
So there's no script.
tim pool
So what happens when you're like 20 years old, you build up a big following based on liberal talking points, and then when you start actually building out your business, you start to realize you're wrong about a lot of things.
And then you realize, I can't actually go on any of those conservative shows, because how do you lie about something that is basically true?
Like, Abrego Garcia, Maryland man.
So what happens when you go on that show and say, okay, you're calling him a Maryland resident, a Maryland man.
He's from El Salvador.
He's accused of beating his wife.
And then they're like, now they're all backing away.
You see the Democrats being like, oh, it's not about him.
When the Democrats first got on board with that, it very much was about the Maryland father.
Hasan Piker, do you know this?
He did not know the guy was from El Salvador.
He thought he was from Maryland.
phil labonte
If they were just honest and said, look, the guy may not be a great guy, but we're worried about due process.
If they'd have just gone with that line, right, it would have been at least tolerable.
And the right wouldn't have been able to mock the Democrats so mercilessly.
They wouldn't have had so much egg on their face.
tim pool
Here's why people like Dean Withers would rather do a man on the street than actually come on this show.
Because he was booked.
And then he canceled and said he would reschedule and never did.
Because what he's doing now is he walks up to a random person and says, Donald Trump was convicted on 34 felonies.
Why?
And then the regular person's like, I don't know.
I heard that.
I think it's probably not true.
It's like, what's not true about it?
And they're like, I don't know.
It just seems like they're weaponizing against him.
And he goes, how?
And it's like, OK, Dean, come on this show.
And from memory, I will break down the entirety of that case for you.
That's why liberals avoid shows like this.
And that's why, even though my politics may be, like, moderate, liberal-leaning in some areas, they call me right-wing.
It's why Jimmy Dore, a socialist, is called right-wing.
And that's why when Hassan humiliated himself when he played the clip of my White House press briefing question, and he was like, what do you mean, bro?
Are you actually saying he's not from Maryland?
Like, he's from D.C. And then he's like, centrist liberal Tim Pool, yeah.
It's like, my dude.
Hassan genuinely believed the guy was from Maryland.
He didn't know the guy was from El Salvador.
And then he was, because of that, he thought Tim Pool's not a centrist liberal.
When all I did was say, here is a thing that is true, like fact-based, that the media is lying about, Hassan chose to believe the media and made the assumption I was lying about what the media was reporting.
He trusts the media when I was calling out the lies from the media.
ian crossland
I had my red-pilling reality shattering happen in 2007 before I had any kind of following.
I had like 4,000 followers on YouTube.
It was big at the time, but it was humiliating.
And I had to learn in real time in public.
And because of that humility, I feel much stronger in my beliefs now.
But for someone to have 66 million...
600,000 followers, that amount of humiliation to realize that everything, not everything, but things you've been saying for a decade, five years, is wrong, is like, how are you going to eat that one, bro?
And Tim, I want to ask you, what was your red-pilling like?
Like, how did you start to see past the narrative?
tim pool
I never had a red-pilling.
ian crossland
Did you always, since 9-11?
Like, how far back did you, like...
tim pool
Well, I mean, actually, I'll put it this way.
I had...
I did not have a moment most would describe as like a red-pilling moment where they were like, I'm a Democrat then.
Like Brandon Strzok describes how he felt physical pain, realized he was wrong.
But I've had many formative moments.
So the story I often tell is that, you know, I grew up Catholic.
Family basically walked away from the church.
I became an angsty teenage atheist, punk rock, all that stuff.
And then when I was 18, I was hanging out with this guy, went to his house to like chill and jam.
And he was like a prominent skateboarder.
So this was like, this is super cool.
It's like, I was going to hang out with the cool kids and he had a picture of Jesus on his wall.
And then I was like, what are you like a Christian or something?
He's like, nah.
And I was like, then why do you have Jesus on your wall?
And he said, I just thought a story about a guy go around helping people is kind of cool.
And then I was like, that was a formative moment for me that, that maybe you could describe as a red pill moment.
That's probably it.
That's probably a way to describe it.
That all of these angsty, atheist, liberal, urban narratives...
Didn't actually encompass what someone who actually liked Jesus thought.
So here's a guy who wasn't a Christian, didn't go to church, didn't think anything other than, I don't know, there's a story about a guy who helped people.
And then I started to think about it for a second, and I was like, yeah, that's actually kind of okay.
There's nothing wrong with that.
That was probably the moment when I was 18. That was probably the moment where I was like, yeah, all that stuff, they're pushing forward about what it means to be Christian.
Because I was very much like on the Watching Real Time with Bill Maher.
All that stuff.
ian crossland
And then you just...
tim pool
Urban liberal.
ian crossland
That then kind of like shattered your...
Or that then allowed you to start to see that Borg-ish mentality elsewhere?
tim pool
So I will say this.
I have known of Alex Jones for a very long time since I was a teenager.
Because I was on the internet my whole life since I was a little kid.
So, like, I had friends that were talking about info...
Prison Planet, I think was the website.
And then, of course, there was Loose Change and Loose Change 9-11.
I think I was like...
I don't know how old I was, 16 or 17, when the 9-11 truth stuff was getting popular online.
So I had seen Alex Jones stuff all the time.
So I had a general understanding that the media was full of it and lying all the time.
But that's why I say that I don't have a traditional red pill moment.
But I do think that moment I described where I realized that this urban, liberal, angsty, atheist narrative was not really conveying what Christians actually believed.
There's another moment where I was hanging out with this chick in the suburbs when I was like 17, so this is even before that, and they were Christian Catholic pro-life, and we were having dinner.
Like, they invited me to the house to hang out, and they cooked dinner, and then they explained that they were pro-life, and I asked them what that meant, and they told me, and I was like, oh.
And then I was like, that kind of exposure, I think, probably insulated me from the more Trump derangement syndrome mentality, you know?
Like, I already knew some of these people.
I knew they weren't Hitler for believing the things they believed.
ian crossland
I gotta ask you the same question, Josie.
What was your path towards breaking the psychological mold?
josie glabach
Ron Paul.
I grew up in Massachusetts, and I never really fit in in Massachusetts.
I tried to fit in in different ways.
In high school, I joined the Gay-Straight Alliance, you know, just so I could kind of feel out different people in different groups, and nothing really...
Nothing really worked.
I'm not gay, by the way.
I'm straight.
But still.
So then 9-11 happens.
And I'm in high school.
And a lot of people around me were all of a sudden really like, we're going to go to war.
We're going to get this.
We're going to go to war.
And this is good.
And I remember thinking in my heart, this isn't good.
This isn't good.
Something doesn't work right.
I don't know.
This doesn't feel right to me.
It didn't feel right to be pro-war.
It didn't feel right to be an activist.
Nothing felt right.
And then it was 2012 when I found Ron Paul and I was like, this feels right.
So I don't know if it was really a red pill moment.
It was just a moment where...
Every view that I had, the way that I am, who I was my whole life just made sense because I found my people.
I found my tribe.
ian crossland
Were you political from 2001 to 2010?
josie glabach
No.
No, I wasn't.
I sort of started dipping my feet into it in 2012, but I didn't start the Red-Headed Libertarian until December 2017.
So there was a period of time where I was still...
Politically homeless because there wasn't a Ron Paul that I could really attach to.
So I found Rand Paul and I'm like, okay, I like him, you know, like his filibuster of the Patriot Act.
I think that was 2014.
And so I was like, I like this guy and I was following this guy now, you know.
So it really came to the point where Trump got elected and I'm living in Massachusetts still and everybody is insane.
Everybody lost their minds.
And I'm like, why?
Why is everybody crazy about this?
I just couldn't understand it.
And so I had a friend who was like, well, you should maybe go on Twitter at the time.
He's like, you know, you'll find people to talk to.
You'll find people, like-minded people.
And so I'm like, okay.
So I just wanted to get on Twitter and make like a couple of friends that I could talk to.
And I accidentally...
Made a lot of friends.
ian crossland
Doused your mind with a new form of consciousness?
phil labonte
Accidentally made a lot of friends.
josie glabach
Yeah, I had no intention of this ever happening.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
The libertarians kind of went nuts, though.
josie glabach
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's a good domestic policy, but it doesn't work geopolitically.
josie glabach
This is why I'm really aligning myself with the founders, because it's something I was always interested in and always loved with the Constitution.
I understood it, and I could explain it, and I know a lot of people were never taught about it, and they weren't taught revolutionary history.
They weren't taught accurate anything.
So it's something I'm like, all right, well, our founders were kind of the original, especially the Anti-Federalists, they were like the original states' rights libertarians, you know, so I really lean into that.
And the Federalists were more like Reagan Republicans, I guess, if I had to compare them to somebody.
Not really that far, but there's really no good way to put it.
Like, Sam Adams was definitely a states' rights guy.
But James Madison was more a little bit...
A little bit more federal, you know, so there's a little differential, but that's why I lean into that as opposed to the crazy libertarian idea, like, oh, should there be an age of consent?
You know, like the kind of libertarians that I want nothing to do with, I stay away from and judge me by my enemies.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, we got a long show, but Phil, if you want to answer that same question, I've never really asked you about your road to perdition.
Like, how did you snap out of it?
Were you even ever in it?
Because I remember you telling me you were like a Republican early, but what happened?
phil labonte
I mean, coming from the music industry, I was kind of always a contrarian and being like, I would be, I mean, I would argue on like lambgoat.com.
I would argue politics on lambgoat.com.
But I guess when I kind of was like, you know, when I fully decided that the whole narrative that was coming out of the government was something not to be trusted was because of Ron Paul and the Iraq War.
In 2008, I was a Ron Paul guy.
And, you know, same thing in 2012.
I was a Ron Paul guy, too.
So it was definitely the whole Ron Paul revolution stuff that kind of brought me out of it.
tim pool
You know what I think was a big deal for a lot of people that led to the Ron Paul stuff was Loose Change 9-11, second edition.
ian crossland
What was the difference in the edition?
tim pool
The first edition didn't really catch on and go viral.
The second edition with minor updates was, like, not that I agree.
Or believe it's all true.
But it was like, it was entertainment.
And everybody I knew was burning into DVDs and sharing with each other.
phil labonte
Zeitgeist was another.
tim pool
Yeah, Zeitgeist.
ian crossland
It still is amazing.
Watch that movie if you haven't seen it.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
And so those two films went viral on burned CDs.
Like people were so compelled by these that they would burn CDs with them and share them or DVDs.
And I remember when I worked at O 'Hare.
Someone brought it in.
They're like, have you guys seen this loose change thing?
We're going to play it.
And then they played it in the break room.
And like I'd seen it online.
But that spreading around, I think, helped create the Ron Paul revolution.
ian crossland
Yeah, he started talking about blowback.
When I heard him say the word blowback on the presidential state where he was running for president, he started talking about it in front of Obama and Hillary or whoever he was running against at the time.
tim pool
The Republicans.
Yeah, that was in the primary.
ian crossland
It was like I knew it.
I knew what he was saying was true.
And I'd already kind of believed that that was the case.
But to hear it.
It was terrifying.
I was terrified of Ron Paul.
He struck me as like Darth Vader about to bring balance to the Force.
And I was like terrified of what that meant.
But it was like he was just explaining the inevitable.
And we're living in it now.
tim pool
Do you think David Hogg, Maury, or Sisson knows what it means to burn a CD?
phil labonte
Probably not.
ian crossland
Maybe get a match?
tim pool
Pretty sure no.
Because by the time they were even old enough to comprehend the function of burning, DVDs had already taken over.
phil labonte
I imagine the response would be something along the lines of Hillary's, uh, what do you mean, like, with a cloth?
Like, what do you mean, like, with matches?
tim pool
You know what was fun?
Turning on the radio, and then they announced that, like, up next we're gonna play, like, Plush!
And then you'd be like, oh, you'd have to put the cassette tape in and record.
ian crossland
I would sit by it waiting, and you'd get the, if you could, if you missed, you'd get the end of the song before.
So a lot of songs I still think of the song before.
tim pool
And then you'd have, like, your mixtape you made from...
All the different radio stations are recorded on the cassette.
josie glabach
Jack Basovic, he calls us centennials.
That's what he calls kind of the...
phil labonte
Centennials?
josie glabach
The older millennials, he calls us centennials.
So it's people who understand because we're just...
This is a micro-generation that many of us are in.
And it essentially is...
We had to go from analog to digital.
And we had to learn both in middle school and high school.
So this puts us kind of in a...
We have advantages in some ways.
Like, look at me.
I still take paper notes, you know, instead of doing whatever on my computer.
So it just puts us in...
It gives us an advantage, but it also puts us in just a weird little group.
It's like a seven-year group of centennials.
ian crossland
That's really interesting to think of generations, because time is motion.
And the speeding up of information transfer is like speeding up time.
And AI, like the kids that are born with this tech are almost a different generation.
Whatever that word even means.
unidentified
But it is.
ian crossland
Generate. Generation.
tim pool
Well, so...
The technological advancements shape generations massively.
But you make a good point about the speeding up the transfer of information is condensing time.
Think about what it was like in 1776.
Think about when they declared independence.
josie glabach
Took six weeks to get to England.
tim pool
And then, even when it got to England, it didn't necessarily mean that Parliament and the Crown had a chance to thoroughly review it.
And then the King reads it and he's like...
josie glabach
He laughed at it.
tim pool
Yeah, and then it's got to go...
There's probably...
How many weeks of review from the British government?
And then how long until the response came back?
Another...
I mean, six weeks is actually pretty quick, to be honest.
unidentified
Yeah.
josie glabach
It got there pretty fast.
It came back in the first thing.
They were already Redcoats stationed.
So the reason why we had the Boston Tea Party and why we had the Boston Massacre was because Massachusetts was militarized.
What had happened is they had passed the...
tim pool
The Colorable Acts.
josie glabach
Well, first they'd passed the Stamp Act, the Sugar Act, and the Townshend Acts.
And before they passed the Townshend Acts, they're like, all right, people are rioting.
We don't want that to happen again.
So we're going to send a military over there to keep things in order.
And so by the time that the Townshend Acts were passed, and this was 67, 1767, the Townshend Acts were passed, and there was 2,000 Redcoats stationed in Boston.
And so that's why they were rioting.
That's why everybody was so mad.
And then what had happened...
They were just having one of their normal riots for the Boston Massacre.
They were having one of their normal riots out in front of a store of a loyalist.
And the guy that was guarding the store, the informant, he got all rattled and he ended up shooting into the crowd and he shot a little boy.
This was February 22nd of 1770.
Shot a little boy, the little boy dies.
His name was Christopher Snyder.
So after that, there were riots every day.
Riots, riots, riots, building and building.
And then March 5th, March 5th was the Boston Massacre.
And that was just another riot that they were out there.
And it just the Redcoats got nervous and they shot into the crowd again.
ian crossland
I learned about the whole lead up to the Revolutionary War is that it was like 1750 and the British were basically like not governing the colonies at all.
The colonies were on their own for the hundred years that they'd been around or whatever.
And then the British were like, okay, if we don't take these guys seriously, we're going to lose that territory to the French because they were military.
French were militarized up north.
Spanish were militarized down south.
British were like, we need to go.
Put troops in the Americas.
So they sent all these British troops.
And the colonists are like, what the fuck?
Get out of my country!
We've been doing this for a hundred years, bro.
Get out!
But the British are like, no.
We need to protect our land.
And then they decided, in order to pay the troops, they started taxing the colonists because they couldn't afford taking their homes.
So this taxing, to make the colonists pay for their own subjection, and it was just too much culture shock in 20 years.
josie glabach
The first major tax was 1734, I believe, and it was the molasses tax.
And so when they brought down the sugar tax, this next one, they're like, okay, well, we're going to cut the molasses tax.
But then they started taxing everything.
And they were taxing right down to a piece of paper was taxed.
If you were using a piece of paper, we're taxing.
You buy the piece of paper.
So this was very tyrannical, what they were doing there and what the colonists were living through.
ian crossland
It was inevitable.
It seems like nothing the British could have done could have kept the colonies.
josie glabach
And what Tim had brought up with the Intolerable Acts, what those were, is the punishment for the Boston Tea Party, which was just...
We were a powder keg at this point.
It was just waiting to go off after the Boston Massacre.
It was a little bit quiet for a couple years, but it was just building this patriotism.
tim pool
Now, isn't that crazy, though?
Years.
The revolutionary period was, what, about 20-some-odd years?
josie glabach
The revolutionary period, yeah.
I mean, if you want to start at the sugar, that was 1763, and it didn't end until the Bill of Rights in 1791.
tim pool
And...
josie glabach
Revolutions are long.
tim pool
The Declaration of Independence wasn't written, signed, and declared until 13 months after the war already started.
josie glabach
Yeah.
Yep.
That was 1775.
tim pool
People think that the founding fathers got together and were like, let's declare independence.
And then they did.
And then the crown was like, I declare war on you for doing this.
No, actually, war was declared on the colonists first.
And they largely did not organize much for about a year.
So it was, it was, I should clarify, because that's a subjective view of it.
But they did not declare a formalized country until a year later.
13 months.
And what was it?
It was July 2nd?
josie glabach
Yeah, July 2nd, and then they reviewed everything on July 3rd and then July 4th.
And they didn't even sign the declaration until, I think, August 8th.
Like, they actually sign it, but we still celebrate on the 4th.
But the intolerable acts were laid down after the Boston Tea Party, and what King George did...
Many of the grievances in the Declaration of Independence are about the Intolerable Acts and what King George did.
He's like, he wiped out their government, essentially, and he put his own people in as the governor.
He put his own people in as judge, jurists.
Like, it was not fair anymore.
He closed down Boston Harbor and said you can't open this until you repay the East India Company every penny.
And, I mean, the Boston Tea Party was because of the fascism between...
The East India Company and King George.
They were in bed together.
They weren't paying any taxes.
They were getting fully reimbursed on all their product.
And they were really undermining the entrepreneurs, John Hancock and Sam Adams.
So that was a big...
tim pool
So here's a funny little bit of trivia.
John Adams wrote, the second day of July 1776 will be the most memorable epoca in the history of America.
I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival.
It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.
It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade and shoes, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and eliminations from one end of this continent to the other from this time forward forevermore.
ian crossland
July 4th?
josie glabach
July 2nd.
unidentified
July 2nd?
ian crossland
And that's because why?
tim pool
That's when they signed the Declaration of Independence.
ian crossland
But then why do they say July 4th is Independence Day?
tim pool
That's when people knew it happened.
That it was officially in record.
Like, we do a lot of things, and then it gets submitted to courts, and then it gets, like, officially...
So there are...
I'll say this, without getting specifics on lawsuits.
I've been involved in lawsuits, and my lawyer will be like, the lawsuit is filed.
They have notice.
Don't say anything until the court publishes it.
And then, like, three days later, the court publishes it, and then the press gets it.
ian crossland
So should we celebrate July 2nd, 3rd, and 4th?
phil labonte
I think we're doing all right.
tim pool
I think we should celebrate July 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 14th.
phil labonte
Yeah, Megamon.
tim pool
Megamon!
It is the whole month that we celebrate.
ian crossland
Well, just to tap off the convo about time dilation and how, you know, the speeding up of data transfer is like, you know, squishing these generations together.
I don't know if there's even any way to...
To tie it back into what we're talking about, that it takes two days for people to know that something got signed.
Right now it takes two seconds.
It's a very different world.
A revolution can happen very quickly relative to what it used to do.
tim pool
Technically.
Like I just described, you can submit official documents to a court and they don't publish it in the public record for three days or longer.
phil labonte
And just because the information is available doesn't mean the information is spread particularly fast.
tim pool
Ian, did you know that retirements in the government are handled by going down into a limestone cavern?
The speed of technology and the speed of government are two very different things.
ian crossland
Yeah, they were telling me that there's no parking down there.
In Homeland Security, it's like there's no parking.
I'm like, this is the American government and there's no parking spaces?
But we have super secret underground science bases.
tim pool
Mount Weather and Raven Rock?
ian crossland
They know where to put money, but it's definitely not at parking spaces, I guess.
tim pool
They're down the street from us.
ian crossland
Who is it?
tim pool
Raven Rock and Mount Weather.
ian crossland
What is it?
tim pool
Bro, are you kidding?
ian crossland
I don't know Raven Rock.
tim pool
You've never played Fallout 3?
ian crossland
I have played Fallout 3, yeah.
tim pool
Did you beat Fallout 3?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Oh.
ian crossland
I do all the side quests.
tim pool
Because that's where the Enclave is in Raven Rock.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
It's the emergency bunker for government officials.
ian crossland
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Where is it relative to D.C.?
tim pool
West.
Northwest.
So it's close to where we are.
ian crossland
Yeah, dude.
tim pool
You can look it up on the map.
You got a computer on you?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
You can look up where it's at.
They started doing renovations and expansion.
josie glabach
I have breaking news.
tim pool
What happened?
josie glabach
Top Epstein accuser Virginia Guffrey dies by suicide, per NBC News.
This was Nick Sorter, just reported this.
unidentified
Whoa.
ian crossland
She'd been suffering some sort of health conditions, I've heard.
josie glabach
Oh, something was very alarming that was going on with her, that nothing added up with that.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, this broke a half an hour ago.
Yo, check this out.
Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent abuse survivors, dies by suicide.
unidentified
I hate to ask this question, but I kind of have to.
tim pool
Does anyone believe it was suicide?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I do.
She'd been suffering the last six months from what I was reading.
tim pool
How did she get hit by that car?
josie glabach
Yeah, she got hit by the car and then she lived.
And then she made the whole statement saying, well, I'm...
I'm ready to go, but I need to see my kids first.
And that was really...
You know what?
You're a mother.
You're never ready to go.
tim pool
Does that sound like she was telling the people who were threatening her life, please let me see my kids one last time?
josie glabach
Yes, that's exactly what was happening.
ian crossland
What happened with the car accident?
tim pool
Dude.
ian crossland
She just got hit by it.
josie glabach
She got hit by a car in her car.
I think she was in her car and they came at her at like 60, 70, 80 miles an hour and she lived.
tim pool
And they told her your kidneys are failing and you have four days to live or something.
unidentified
Yep.
josie glabach
They said you have four days to live.
Your kidneys are failing.
She's like, okay, well, I've accepted that, but I want to see my kids.
And I was like this.
Nope.
This doesn't make sense.
And now she dies by suicide.
You know, they could have said, okay, well, we're going to do it or you can do it yourself.
I don't know.
I don't believe it.
tim pool
Could it be that with Trump, yo, with Pam Bondi and the Trump administration in, you know, cash and then they were saying, I believe, I don't want to speak for anybody, but I'm pretty sure they were talking about how, like, they're going to get these documents out.
And they didn't.
But apparently they're sitting on these documents.
They're going through them.
Yo, look, I hate to say this because...
There are people who know and love this woman who may be like, it legitimately was suicide.
I don't know this.
I'm just going to say this.
No one will believe it.
Considering the story right now with the Epstein documents in the Trump administration and how a lot of people are skeptical, but at the very least, if there ever was a being close to this, we are closer than ever before to these documents.
And then Virginia Giuffre gets hit by a car.
That's the part I wonder about.
I was watching a clip from that show Goliath.
You ever see that?
I think it's a show.
I don't know what it is.
But there's a viral clip where Billy Bob is in court.
He's suing, and the judge dismisses the case unjustly, so Billy Bob calls the judge corrupt.
When they're leaving, this woman who's in the case, she's like, so did we win or lose?
They're like, well, a little bit of both, and bam!
A van slams into her and just kills her.
Like, dude.
ian crossland
That's what I'm wondering about Virginia.
So, my take...
You know, which is ignorant, is that she was in such pain from the car accident, she decided to take her own life.
But the car accident, did they catch the guy that hit her?
phil labonte
She got hit by a school bus, and it was like out of nowhere.
josie glabach
That's right.
Yeah, and it was going faster than a school bus is legally allowed to go.
ian crossland
And did they get the driver?
phil labonte
I don't know.
josie glabach
It doesn't sound that way.
I mean, I feel like we would have heard it if they got the driver, but nope, it just happened.
ian crossland
Were the kids on the school bus?
phil labonte
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
phil labonte
Look, I mean, getting hit by a school bus, and like I said, it came out of nowhere, or it was like in the middle of nowhere when it happened, so...
ian crossland
She was out in the middle of like kind of nowhere?
phil labonte
Yeah, if I understand correctly, yeah.
It wasn't like...
Nothing about that story makes sense.
ian crossland
This is like his biggest accuser.
This is the girl.
I've been following her work for four years.
tim pool
It is.
It is.
Okay, so let's go back in time a little bit.
Mike Cernovich.
They saw that there was a defamation suit.
I could be getting some of this wrong, but my general understanding is they had been trying to get information on the Epstein cases, and they couldn't.
There was a defamation case, and I believe Cernovich, I'm not sure if you – I think he was working with – maybe it was Mark Randazza.
I'm not entirely sure, so forgive me if I'm roping you into this and it wasn't you, but it might have been.
And they filed the suit.
I think it was a FOIA request or something like that to get the documents from this defamation case.
I believe it was the Miami Herald who then joined in and helped that effort, which exposed a lot of statements about Epstein and what he had been doing from Virginia Giuffre.
This blew the lid off of Epstein.
He was a free man at the time.
Shortly after this is when he gets arrested.
They start going after him.
And I think at that point, when the story started breaking, here's my assumption.
I don't know for sure.
The people that Epstein had been blackmailing were largely staying away out of fear.
When the news came down that because of what Cernovich and the Herald had been doing, the story was about to break.
Powerful individuals being blackmailed were like, oh God, no.
Get this contained.
Arrest Epstein in a panic.
He goes to this jail where he gets a cellmate who somehow Epstein gets mercilessly beaten but survives.
And he has bruises on his neck.
So then the guy's like, it wasn't me, don't look at me.
Then they move Epstein to another cell.
I'm pretty sure that cellmate died, too.
I'm not sure.
Someone fact-checked me on that one.
Then Epstein goes in the cell and ends his life with the cameras broken and the guards asleep.
ian crossland
He also said that he thought someone poisoned him, I think, two weeks before he died.
He was like, they tried to poison me.
I could be wrong about that.
tim pool
Things get a little quiet.
Ghislaine Maxwell is arrested.
Now we're back in the Epstein story again with Pam Bondi, Cash Dan, and the FBI.
So, this is crazy.
We had that story where Pam Bondi wrote a public letter saying that the FBI was withholding Epstein documents and hiding it from her, the Attorney General.
And she ordered cash to get those documents.
They reported the documents were transferred and they were going through them and they'll be released soon.
Everyone's like, what's going on?
I wonder if the people being blackmailed are like, if these documents come to light, they are going to subpoena Virginia Giuffre and ask her to speak more on the issue.
And this is why you get a story like this.
josie glabach
How many other witnesses are going to come forward now?
How many other victims are going to come forward now, now that the main victim has suicided herself?
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
I don't know.
You need some evidence to get that.
phil labonte
Epstein had two different cellmates, Nicholas Tartagolian, who was alive.
He was a former police officer.
He was accused of quadruple murder.
He was...
Epstein's cellmate in 2019 when Epstein was found semi-conscious within...
tim pool
Okay, so that guy did not die.
phil labonte
That guy's alive.
And then Efrain Reyes was his cellmate in the special housing unit in August 8, 2019, the day before Epstein's death.
Reyes was transferred to private prison where he reportedly contracted COVID-19.
Okay. According to the post from 2020, Reyes was transferred to the death.
Okay.
on November 27, 2020 at his mother's apartment in New York City with his death attributed to coronavirus.
tim pool
Okay, so I was...
josie glabach
Everything was coronavirus.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm telling you, like...
He's freaky out there.
ian crossland
I don't want to speculate, but, you know, if you understand the way of the world, yes, I believe you're right.
tim pool
I genuinely think this is likely happening.
Like, Epstein was blackmailing people.
He was probably working with some intelligence.
Some people think he was working with Israeli intelligence.
I don't know if the evidence corroborates that.
ian crossland
I think Elaine's father was Israeli intelligence, was he not?
tim pool
I don't know.
But I know that, you know, Dan Bongino on this show said some Middle Eastern intelligence or something in that effect.
And we don't know for sure.
ian crossland
Oh no, maybe it was British intelligence, her dad.
tim pool
Maybe?
josie glabach
No, I think it was Israeli.
tim pool
Yeah.
josie glabach
I think it was Mossad.
tim pool
Maybe.
josie glabach
Yeah.
ian crossland
Either way, I think Jews might take, and I don't even go too deep on this, because I want to live a healthy, happy, effective reality here, but I think Ghislaine's the best.
tim pool
Oh, Ian, you're the most dangerous.
ian crossland
Ghislaine's the mastermind.
tim pool
When the dark forces come, they're like, Ian's the one we gotta do.
ian crossland
I'm the tornado, man.
tim pool
They're like...
He's the powerhouse of Timcast IRL.
Tim Poulter, he doesn't matter.
unidentified
It's Ian.
ian crossland
I'm the fluctuation.
Minute transference deep within.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Well, here's...
Here's the question for you.
If staring down the barrel...
phil labonte
Staring at the sun.
tim pool
If you're staring down the barrel and you are told, if you continue this pursuit, you may, you may expose the darkness or you may die.
A horrible, merciless death.
Turn around right now, and luxury and comfort awaits.
Which do you choose?
ian crossland
Oh, brutal.
Well, you know, I guess it depends on what time of day you ask me that question.
phil labonte
Have I had breakfast?
ian crossland
Am I hungry?
You know, my general thoughts are that it's not, of course it's important, but it's not that important relative to what we really got going on with deep state economic disaster looming.
Other people have said this, too.
They're like, the Epstein things, just forget about it.
Don't worry about it.
Don't stress about it.
Don't hate about it.
Focus on tangible solutions.
That's generally actually how I deeply feel, which is why I don't talk about this stuff very much.
The Epstein stuff.
tim pool
This is crazy, man.
ian crossland
What's the best that could happen if we found out?
josie glabach
You know, Jelaine's father was suicided.
Well, he commits suicide, but she's...
tim pool
These people in their families, like all the people in the sphere, they're very unwell.
You know, I think...
ian crossland
Depression runs in the family.
tim pool
Yeah.
And their friends' families and their victims' families.
And the investigative journalists, they know families.
josie glabach
A lot of people who seek power, they have a narcissistic personality if they seek some kind of power, and that can transfer into cluster B, and that can transfer into all these other mental health issues, bipolar, for instance.
So yeah, I guess it's not surprising that there's a high rate of suicide, but she still says that her dad was murdered since 1997 in an interview.
And it's Israeli, so...
It's believed that he was Israeli, that intelligence.
But he also is alleged to have connections to British and Soviet.
tim pool
Here's a picture of Virginia Giuffre with Prince Philip.
Is it Philip?
ian crossland
I think it's Andrew.
tim pool
That's Andrew.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's Prince Andrew.
tim pool
I was like, I'm pretty sure it was the other guy.
You know, I wonder if this prince whose life was ruined could somehow be involved in any of it.
josie glabach
I don't know.
I mean, his mom stripped him of all of his titles and stuff.
But I don't know what's going on now that his brother is running.
Well, his brother's got cancer.
I don't know what's going on.
ian crossland
The king?
josie glabach
The king.
ian crossland
His brother's the king?
josie glabach
So I don't know if anything's been lifted or replaced or something to heal the family.
I don't know.
ian crossland
The king of England's brother was in a picture with Virginia Giuffre.
phil labonte
He also was stripped of his titles and stuff by his mother because of this stuff.
So he was accused and the royal family's like, alright, we're not...
He didn't get excommunicated from the family.
They stripped him of all kinds of titles, and they didn't have him doing anything officially because of the Epstein connections.
ian crossland
They strip him of his, not just titles, but his, what do they call it, what you get when people die?
phil labonte
He was not in line to the throne.
ian crossland
Like his duchies or anything he was going to get?
His duchies or counts?
A duchy is a bunch of counts?
Counties?
You'll have a count that rules over a county, then you'll have a duke that rules over a multitude of counties, called a duchy.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
They'll give those to their kids, like Prince Harry is the duke of this and that.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, those are largely just titles now, because they have elected officials, because they have a parliamentary system over there.
The monarchy is mostly for show.
ian crossland
It seems like, here, here!
tim pool
Order!
unidentified
Order!
tim pool
Someone told me to do that.
They said, Tim, bang the hammer and tell them we're going to Chats, Rumble Rants.
phil labonte
Super Chats and Rumble Rants.
tim pool
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And that's true.
We often reference Super Chats and Member Collins on the show later on because people notice things we don't.
They're not here.
And that's why we're doing the Culture War Live May 3rd where...
You guys, as members of the Timcast Discord, get to come on stage.
And I think we have eight slots allotted, but it's no guarantee we actually get eight people up on stage to debate.
Let me say this.
If you are planning on debating and submitting your view on things, here's an important piece of advice.
The debate is going to be Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
Was he legally allowed to be deported?
Was the deportation correct?
How should Trump handle deportations?
And then we're going to bring you guys up to add to the mix.
If you are going to submit a debate talking point, you will likely be selected if you are referencing something specific that we have not considered.
I think he should have been deported regardless of the withholding of deportation because we have too many illegal immigrants.
We may bring you up, just depending, but just understand that's probably the first thing that will be said by Someone else already on this.
We're going to be doing a half an hour of open discussion to kick off the show.
And if your opinion is largely what has been discussed already, you're not going to want to come up and just say the same thing someone's already said.
So consider that.
What we're looking for is people who have insights or ideas that are either counter.
Maybe it's a third position.
Maybe you're like, we should be sending them to Alaska to work the lithium mines or something.
I don't know.
But you know, that's how you do it.
Let's go.
Shanich Wilder says, Josie's on a vacation far away.
Judge Hannah Dugan's career is over.
Can't say.
Shouldn't have tried to screw ice over Dungan's going to be in jail tonight.
josie glabach
You're supposed to sing it, Tim.
tim pool
I don't know what the song is.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Oh, okay, I get it.
Well, all right then.
The insane partisanship here in Wisconsin is horrendous.
It's reached our small towns and now neighbors are spraying swastikas on each other's cars.
God and help needed cheese.
So, if we were to track all of the insane things that have happened over the past eight years, where does this go?
I mean, like, we're at the point now where the Democrats have already arrested lawyers and politicians and now the Trump admin is arresting judges, as I think they should, but I don't think Democrats are going to sit back and just accept it.
They're going to say, he's a fascist, he's Nazis, we've got to do something, and they're going to escalate.
phil labonte
I still am of the opinion that without the normies in the street protesting to give the crazies and the people that want to throw firebombs and stuff, without the normies to give them cover.
It stays far less intense than the summer of love was.
I don't see mass protests by normal people because they can go to work and they have to go to work and they're not as fired up.
I mean, Trump won the popular vote, so they're not as fired up.
There's not the same phony narrative flowing out there about the Trump administration that there was about How police treated black men in America in 2020.
Remember, you ask the average person, they were thinking that thousands of black men per year were being killed.
Thousands of unarmed black men per year were killed by police.
There's thousands.
It was like 15 or 20. But the point is, without that...
Without that sense of actual injustice, even though it wasn't actually happening, without the belief of that injustice, I don't think you get normies out of work to go onto the streets to protest.
And without normies, you don't get the protests to cover for the riots.
ian crossland
Yeah, and it was like the summer of COVID, basically.
And you see him kind of...
Fishing these, like, a new virus, and you'll see, like, a news article, and it's just like, no one cares, dude.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, now it's like, if there's anything that happens this summer, or whatever will happen this summer will be lower intensity, and it'll be stuff like the firebombing of Tesla, you know, Tesla dealerships and stuff, but it won't be that every city has a big riot.
And look, man, I really, really, really hope I'm right, because if I'm wrong...
You know, then I could see significant bad results from that, you know?
tim pool
All right.
Phalanx says, The charges on the New Mexico judge are pure cowardice.
Those two were providing aid and comfort to enemies of the USA, charged them with treason, and let them try to defend it.
That's interesting.
I don't know if we...
Correct me, I don't know if you know this, but can a gang or an organization be considered a wartime enemy of the United States?
josie glabach
Yes.
tim pool
But I know we have letters of marque to target rogue groups like this, but we don't declare war on them.
josie glabach
It's an incursion.
It's a predatory incursion or an invasion.
It's very specific, the language that has to be used for the president to declare something like that.
This responsibility, this power was handed over in 1798 to the executive from Congress.
So that's why the president on day one declared an invasion, and he didn't declare a war.
He doesn't really have to declare a war to do that.
tim pool
Spartan Theory says, Tim, I just want to thank you for using Mac's stupid science bitch argument on Ian the other night.
You know, comedy writing is dead on when it's being used in real life on a political podcast.
It's always sunny.
Indeed.
But the stupid science bitch argument is actually a literal philosophical argument that they comedically applied to Mac.
Do you know what this is?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You're familiar?
josie glabach
Mac is always sunny.
Yes, okay.
tim pool
He's Christian, so he's trying to argue that the atheists are wrong because they have faith in their systems without seeing evidence all the same.
This is like standard basic knowledge philosophy.
You simply choose to believe what you want to believe.
Because most people don't actually do any of the research or the science or track the evidence.
They just think that someone telling it to them is truth, is evidence.
So that's everybody.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking that, like, do I believe that Genghis Khan invaded Europe?
I have faith in it because of evidential proof.
I guess you would call it proof, but I don't even know.
Belief is like a form of proof, or of faith, kind of.
tim pool
There's no proof for many things.
Even in court.
We often don't have proof.
We have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
josie glabach
That's true.
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't even know how you get proof, to be completely honest.
ian crossland
It's a loaded term.
josie glabach
I mean, even now with AI, it's going to be even harder.
It's one thing if you're caught on camera doing something, but it's like, yeah, now we can fake that.
tim pool
Yeah, so...
ian crossland
Even memory can be faked.
Like, memories aren't...
Your memories aren't perfect.
tim pool
This is what Branca was telling us, Andrew Branca, that if...
And I think Angry Cops was talking about it too, witness contamination.
phil labonte
Terrible.
tim pool
If there are two witnesses, That see the same thing, and they get put together next to each other, they will create a new memory together of what really happened.
It changes their memory of things.
phil labonte
First thing you do is isolate all the witnesses so that way they don't contaminate each other.
tim pool
This is why I said the AI stuff that's really scary is when they take a video like Trump saying, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis, the white supremacists, because they should be condemned totally, and someone adds they to some.
And then you have two videos where he goes, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazi, the white nationalists, because some should be condemned totally.
Democrats share that version.
Republicans share the other.
And then people who are there and watch Trump speak are asked, which did he say?
And they'll go, I'm pretty sure he said some.
Because they don't like Trump or they're biased and some news outlets said it.
josie glabach
And it fits their bias.
tim pool
Indeed.
Scary times, man.
AlphaTurkey says, only two judges.
This better be the beginning.
Oh, yeah.
Hey, look.
Bannon said expect arrest in the summer.
We're getting arrest in spring.
phil labonte
Hey, there you go.
tim pool
And some people are like, they're not high enough.
Oh, it's two judges.
You know, like, we're getting the ball rolling.
What do you think?
They're going to come out and arrest Biden on day one?
josie glabach
And they got to arrest, like, hardcore crime.
Like, this is crime.
You know, and anybody reasonable can look at this and say, this is crime.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Tim, you are so happy I left that mallet there.
This is Raymond's mail.
ian crossland
Oh, nice work, Raymond.
Yes!
tim pool
I saw it on the counter and I was like, I'm gonna bang this.
Here, here.
phil labonte
Order.
josie glabach
Judge Tim.
unidentified
Order.
tim pool
Let's see.
Jack Rivers Poker says, these judges should get the maximum on any charge.
As a CDL driver, if I get pulled over, I automatically get a ticket for any infraction.
Reasoning is, you should have known better.
They should know better.
Indeed, they're judges.
phil labonte
Yeah.
josie glabach
Trump right now has the Supremacy Clause on his side, and this is Article 4, Clause 2, and this says it establishes the Constitution, the federal laws, treaties are supreme law of the land, and they override any conflicting state laws.
So, for instance, Wyoming can't declare war on Ireland.
They can't do that because that would violate the Supremacy Clause.
It also goes for sanctuary cities.
Those are repugnant of the Constitution as well because we have laws for naturalization and they're federal.
tim pool
My question to you, Jack Rivers Poker, is that you are sitting at the button with ace-queen off-suit.
Under the gun raises 2.5 big blinds and it folds to you.
What's your play?
I'll wait.
Anyway, back to the Super Chats.
ian crossland
I'd check.
Just saying I'd check.
tim pool
Ian, you can't check when they've raised you.
ian crossland
I thought they folded.
The guy before me folded?
tim pool
It folds to you.
There is a raise from under the gun at 2.5 big blinds.
ian crossland
I can't check.
tim pool
You can't.
You can fold, call, or raise.
ian crossland
I've got to look at my chip count before I make a decision.
tim pool
Ace-queen offsuit.
unidentified
That's a good and, but how many players are there?
tim pool
Well, so the small and the big blinds are after you, and the under the gun has raised 2.5.
ian crossland
Again, I've got to defer to my chip count and do a little math in my head here.
tim pool
I mean, me?
Because I like to play a little loose and silly and have fun.
I just call.
Because under the gun's strong position for a general raise, they're likely, they're going to be tight in the range.
But you also got to check the player.
But I'm saying generally, when you're talking about your pre-flop range charts, they're going to be rocking something pretty strong to go under the gun and raise right away.
ian crossland
I want to shout out Bellatro.
Game of the year last year.
I think you would love it.
It's a poker game.
tim pool
It's like a poker strategy.
ian crossland
Yeah, with jokers that all do all these crazy abilities and stuff.
unidentified
It's cool.
tim pool
What was that?
Wrong button?
ian crossland
Sorry.
tim pool
The show's not over yet.
ian crossland
Carter Banks, ladies and gentlemen.
tim pool
Darth Carl says, I just purchased a Rumble subscription.
Thanks, Tim.
Yeah, use promo code TIM10.
You save $10 on an annual membership, which basically means instead of spending $10 a month, you're going to be spending like, I think it's $89 for the whole year.
Here's the thing, guys.
Rumble Premium and the Timcast Discord are separate because, you know, like when we were talking with Rumble on how we partner, that was a roadblock we didn't know how to solve because running the Discord requires staff.
That is not related to Rumble.
And then Rumble membership gives you everyone, including Steven Crowder and Russell Brand and anybody with premium.
So we were like, okay, anybody who was a member up to that point gets both.
If you're a TimCast member, you get a free membership.
But at that point, it became two different things.
Because if you're spending $10 a month or if you use promo code TIM10 on Rumble, you get everybody's premium content.
And there's a lot of premium content.
The Green Room podcast is an entirely different show behind the scenes for about a half an hour or 45 minutes, Monday through Friday on rumble.com slash timcast.irl.
So there's like another show you can watch, and it's pretty uncensored.
I really recommend you watch The Green Room Uncensored with me and Tara Palmieri.
You guys know her.
You love her when she was on, and we were arguing, and everybody, all the conservatives didn't like her.
They called her a lib journalist.
The Green Room was even better, like, feminist.
Not anti-feminist argument that I think you'll love.
Apparently the people who watched it loved it.
So that's at rumble.com slash timcast IRL for premium users.
Definitely check that one out.
We had a lot of fun.
All right.
On Screen with Levine says, Hey Tim and crew, I'm doing my best to fight for Canada.
I've knocked on over 5,000 doors and I'm trying to put out some shorts at On Screen with Levine.
unidentified
Good job.
tim pool
Good luck saving your country, sir.
I mean that.
unidentified
But...
tim pool
At any rate, if you fail, we look forward to taking your land from you.
I never got more death threats than when I jokingly said we will take Canada and strip them of their political representation.
ian crossland
I feel for those Canadians because they're probably like, what's going to happen to us?
Kind of like Mark Carney now?
tim pool
Well, considering the people think Trump is Hitler, they're probably genuinely fearful that Trump will invade and seize Canada.
josie glabach
Well, you know what?
Canada had their opportunity under the Articles of the Confederation, the 11th article.
It said, Canada's welcome to join us, and Canada's like, no, we'd rather be redcoats.
tim pool
We asked Quebec.
People think there were only 13 colonies.
This is crazy.
There was a lot more than that.
I mean, how many were there in the Canadian territories?
There was a handful, weren't there?
And then I think the Founding Fathers went to all of the colonies that were under British control.
And Quebec was like, nah, we ain't interested.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was Benedict Arnold went up there and tried to take it.
josie glabach
Yeah, he tried to take it and he failed.
tim pool
Yep.
And then basically, I think Georgia and South Carolina were like, what's all this talk about you not wanting slaves?
And Thomas Jefferson was like, well, yeah, we think slavery is bad.
And they're like, then we're out.
Okay, fine, fine, fine.
We won't complain about the slave thing and stay.
And so they originally...
Thomas Jefferson was going to include in the Declaration a complaint that the Crown had—I forgot the wording he used—but brought slaves to wage war against the colonists, against their will.
And South Carolina and Georgia were like, nah, we like slaves.
So he decided not to include it because if he did, they would not have joined the effort and there would have been no independence.
josie glabach
Exactly, and we needed France to win the war.
But they did include—he had brought the Hessians over and he armed the Canadians and he armed the natives.
tim pool
Yep, armed the natives against us.
josie glabach
He even armed— Colonists against their own families and their friends.
They take them out to sea and say, okay, we're going to either throw you off this ship or you're going to go back in and unalive your entire family.
So that's 26th grievance.
tim pool
To all of the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia fans out there, and I know Tate is not because he's not old enough and he doesn't know what that is.
They had an episode where they went back in time and the joke was, I think it was Dennis and Mac in the colonial era.
And they said, we don't want independence.
We're going to get killed.
Let's draft a declaration of dependence.
That was a real thing.
It existed.
There were loyalists to the crown who wrote a declaration of dependence.
And they got people to sign it and try to go to the crown and be like, no, no, we want to stay with you.
And just nobody cares.
It's not American history.
Look, it is.
It's just a blip.
Let's see.
We'll grab one more.
Mikael Isakson says, I can't wait for the Swedish version.
We are unbelievably corrupt so much more than what people think.
It's more entrenched and hidden here.
That's why when I went to South Korea, I was...
South Korea.
When I went to Sweden, it was called the North...
People called it the North Korea of the North.
That's why I said South Korea because I was thinking when I was in South Korea.
I went there too, but they just called North Korea North Korea.
Sweden, there were people who referred to it as the North Korea of the North.
Why?
Because it is...
Like, okay, if a country could be the Stepford Wives, it's Sweden.
ian crossland
I don't know the Stepford Wives.
josie glabach
It looks pretty and it feels pretty, but it's actually really controlled.
tim pool
The women were all robots.
And so they're like, everything is right this way.
And everything's uniform machine state.
Like, if you think the deep state here is bad, don't go to Sweden.
Sweden is creepy.
It's creepy.
It's like everybody blinks in unison while wearing the same clothes.
Creepy.
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's so creepy.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Very.
Alright, my friend.
Smash that like button.
Share the show with everyone you know.
I will be back tomorrow morning because I am working Saturdays now.
Because...
I don't know.
I guess...
Why not?
ian crossland
We're just looking for something to do?
tim pool
Well, to be honest, Allison and I would go and play pool or we'd go to the casino or something.
Now...
You know, I got the boys, Andy and Brandon, are like, we got to drag Tim out, you know, but with the baby, he's not going anywhere.
And they were saying like, how do we drag you out to go to the casino with us?
And I was like, why would I want to do that?
And they were like, well, when can you come out?
And I said, I can go out whenever I want.
And they're like, oh, go to the casino with us.
And I said, why would I want to go to the casino?
I can hang out with my wife and my kid.
And they were like, oh.
So, you know, instead of doing that, I just stay home because it's more fun.
And so then I'm like, okay, if I'm going to go to bed like normal and watch movies with the family, I'll just come in and work Saturday morning and then hang out with the family.
We don't have anywhere to go or do anything that's more interesting than what we're doing.
So we're enjoying ourselves.
So follow me on X on Instagram at TimCast.
I'll be here tomorrow morning.
Josie, you want to shout anything out?
josie glabach
Sure.
You can follow me on X at TRHLOfficial.
Yeah, that's really it.
That's all I do.
ian crossland
Josie the red-headed libertarian.
josie glabach
Josie the red-headed libertarian.
ian crossland
I made a video on YouTube today about...
Jesus turning water into wine.
I read the passage in John 2 and was just trying to make sense of it.
It's a really great story.
It's kind of like a sitcom if you read the passage and just imagine them buzzing around trying to...
Mary's like, Jesus, we're out of wine.
And Jesus is like, why are you bothering me?
I'm here with my friends.
And he's like, all right, fine.
And he goes back and he's got these jugs of water and then all of a sudden it cuts to the banquet guy and he's like, this is delicious wine.
It's great.
It's hilarious.
Check it out at YouTube at Ian Crossland.
Let me know what you think.
phil labonte
I am PhilTheRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilTheRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can check out our newest record called Anti-Fragile on the internet.
You know, YouTube, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, all that stuff.
Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We will see you all tomorrow morning.
I'll have some segments up and then we're back with Timcast IRL on Monday.
Thanks for hanging out.
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