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April 22, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Tim Pool & Crew CRASH White House Press Briefing And Liberal Media IS PISSED | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, today was a rather slow news day.
		We do have some stories.
		The Trump administration is canceling student loan forgiveness, and they're going to begin collections.
		A bunch of really small stories and some independent research.
		It looks like Elsagate has returned, and YouTube is promoting to hundreds of millions of viewers, probably babies, creepy AI videos, just like we saw almost 10 years ago.
		Now, we do have a bunch of other smaller stories, but today...
		We actually were going back and forth on this, and I want to stress, I wasn't so sure if we should lead with me and ourselves, but I guess we will because this actually is a top-trending story on X. It's the third largest-trending story or highest-trending story in the country that I sat in the new media seat,
		I, Tim Pool, and asked a question about the media lying in what's called the Maryland man hoax.
		And boy, is the media pissed about it.
		We knew they would be, and I thought I was being rather professional.
		So we can break down exactly how this went down and why I was at the White House and the reaction to it.
		But this does strike at the core of the Abrego Garcia story in which the media has been lying.
		And following the question I asked in the briefing room, which was intending to highlight that the media is lying about this story, they are continuing to lie and claim that a man from El Salvador, we got the court documents, is actually from Maryland.
		Now, from means you originated from this place.
		It's a lie.
		So we'll go through that.
		And I got a bunch of great interviews today at the White House.
		It's a very interesting day.
		We have a lot to talk about.
		And we will be rolling out interviews in the next couple of days as well.
		But we can discuss some of what was said.
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		This one's going to get interesting, I suppose.
		We have a couple of individuals here to join us today.
		Why don't we just start with you, sir?
		Would you introduce yourself?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, my name is Andrew Roth.
		I am the president of the State Freedom Caucus Network.
		The best way to explain it is most of your listeners know who the House Freedom Caucus is in Congress.
		They're the most conservative lawmakers in D.C. But there are 50 state capitals out there.
		There are 50 swamps in the 50 state capitals.
		And I will strenuously argue that they are swampier than D.C. We can get into that if you want.
		But the network that I run, we help create state freedom caucuses.
		So we have a South Carolina Freedom Caucus, a Maryland Freedom Caucus, Illinois, Arizona, Pennsylvania, on and on.
		We've got 13 of them.
		The goal is to get into all 50. California, Vermont, going to take some time, but we'll get there eventually.
		And the way to get back to this country is from the states.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And sir, who are you?
unidentified		I'm Jordan Pace.
		I'm the chairman of the South Carolina Freedom Caucus.
		I'm a state representative right outside of Charleston, South Carolina.
		And I've been a long-time listener to the show.
		Excited to be here and tell you all about what we're doing in the South.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Should be fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've got Raymond hanging out.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Hey, guys.
		It's Raymond.
		I work here at TimCast.
		And I look forward to talking to you gentlemen about the Freedom Caucus and what you've got going on, as well as Tim blowing up the news today.
		That's going to be exciting.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Phil. Hello, everybody.
		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		Let's get into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the story.
		I want to say this first.
		The reason why we put up the – normally we have the waiting room up 20 minutes early.
		It's because we were originally going to go with the student debt forgiveness from Trump.
		But the crew here, I think, agreed.
		I had asked him.
		This actually was a top-trending story.
		I hate to make myself the news, but that's what happened.
		I love it.
		I'll just read what my question was.
		I said, We're an MS-13 gang member adjudicated by two different judges, I believe, is just simply being referred to as a Maryland man over and over.
		Now in an effort from the White House to expand access to new companies, you've created this new media seat.
		So I'm wondering if you can comment on this, on following this expansion.
		You've had numerous outlets disparage the companies that you've had sit here, as well as the reporters.
		I'm wondering if you would comment on that unprofessional behavior, as well as elaborate if there's any plans to expand access to new companies.
		And Karen Levitt certainly did then point out the Maryland man story.
		This is wrong from the get-go.
		We have known that this man, Abrego Garcia, is not a quote-unquote Maryland man.
		He is from El Salvador.
		I'm not going to waste your time.
		I'm going to show you the document literally right here.
		This is the actual court document from 2019, which states, number one, he is not a citizen or national of the U.S., two, he's a native of El Salvador, three, he entered at an unknown place in an unknown date, and four, was not admitted or paroled by an immigration officer.
		At a master calendar hearing, the respondent, through counsel, admitted the factual allegations contained in the NTA and conceded removability as charged.
		I want to stress, admitted the factual allegations.
		This is not a Maryland man.
		These are lies that they are perpetuating.
		So I was invited to come down to the White House, and I was asked if there was anyone we'd like to interview.
		We did an interview with Secretary Kristi Noem, with, I believe the appropriate title is DAP.
		Deputy Assistant to the President, I could be getting that wrong, Sebastian Gorka, as well as Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy.
		And we'll be rolling out those interviews.
		There's a story to how we film it.
		The computers are not simple like we do, where we have this straight, you record it live and you go.
		They had to send us a link, so now we have the files and we're going to start putting them up tomorrow.
		But I was asked at the last minute if I would like to take the new media seat, to which I said yes.
		My question is not a softball.
		Just because, let me explain this problem, okay?
		To all the people right now, you know, I'm trending, they're all talking about it, some are happy, some are mad.
		The corporate press lies, okay?
		I just showed you this man admitted to being from El Salvador.
		This is not in question.
		He admitted to being removable.
		He admitted to entering unlawfully.
		He did get a withholding of deportation.
		That's not being disputed.
		Why is the media using the phrase Maryland man to refer to a guy from El Salvador who is only here illegally?
		They are doing it because they are factual but not truthful.
		It is a fact the man, for now, is illegally residing in Maryland.
		But that does not make him a Maryland dad.
		It makes him an illegal immigrant arrested in Maryland.
		And if that's the narrative they went with, an illegal immigrant arrested in Maryland, Abrego Garcia, I wouldn't be having this conversation with all of you right now.
		The point that I was bringing up to the press secretary was that the media in this room is largely composed of an incurious, uncurious group of people who do not investigate.
		And they use each other as sources and say the same narrative.
		Not a single one of them is concerned about the fact that they didn't actually pull the court documents and that they're falsely representing that this man is, quote, from Maryland.
		And it is so egregious, in fact, that Hassan Piker, one of the biggest streamers on the left, did not know.
		I'm not kidding.
		I'll play the video for you.
		He was absolutely unaware that Obrego Garcia was an illegal immigrant from El Salvador.
		And if you wonder why liberals are shocked by the story, this is why people like Hassan Piker don't read the news.
		He gets talking points from the corporate press who keep saying a Maryland man, Maryland man.
		Hassan then genuinely believes this guy is just some American guy born and bred in Maryland who was deported.
		Now, if I thought this guy was born and bred in America and deported to a seat to Seacott in El Salvador.
		And so my question was, these news outlets are ragging on us.
		And we are but one seat in this room.
		When they said, Tim, would you like to take the new media seat?
	I said, sure.
	I'd spoken with Elad.
	Elad said, I really think you should ask about these Chinese nationals that Riley Moore wants to remove from this country, ship their student visas.
	Rep. Riley Moore has introduced this bill.
	And I said, that's actually a really good question.
	However, I have another question.
	They've created this new media space.
	We're just companies.
	That's it.
	Okay? The Daily Wire is a company.
	Breitbart is a company.
	War Room is a company.
	We have large viewerships.
	We reach a lot of people.
	We have questions we want to ask.
	Now, what offends me is that these journalists in the room, they march in lockstep on lies.
	I could go through a big list for all of you, but I named only three for time.
	The Very Fine People hoax, the Covington Smear, and the Maryland Man hoax.
	But how about the Lab Leak hoax?
	How about the Drinking Bleach hoax?
	How many times are they going to all in unison lie about what's going on?
	So, my frustration is, when they bring in but one chair, one chair for someone like me to sit in, the New York Times, Politico, numerous journalists from various outlets all begin disparaging us, as if what really matters to those people is that their sick club of lying sycophants pretend like they're speaking truth to power.
	In which case, when I say these large, massive multimedia corporations are lying to the American people, it's a softball, which implies I'm supposed to be grilling Carolyn Levitt for some reason.
	No, I'm seeking a comment from the press secretary on the fact that they have allowed all of this media in the room, who just lie all day every day, and there's one chair in this room for new media.
	Who's doing something different?
	Which is why I ended by asking if there was a plan or effort to expand access.
	Now, she didn't answer it.
	I don't fault her for that.
	She did give her answer saying the media is pushing this Maryland man hoax.
	That was the gist of that story.
	And of course now, the media and the press are losing their mind.
	And that's me speaking about, I don't know if...
	If you guys, I guess, because I've essentially put myself in the news, have questions about what happened or what do you think?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I have one big question.
		And it's the top of my mind.
		After you said that, after the press conference was over, did you have any reporters come up to you and say, you're right, but I've got a job to do?
		Or were they giving you side eyes and nasty looks?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm sitting down and I can't really see much of the room.
		They brought me in through the same – it's crazy.
		The doors are these big, thick, like steel, and they slide open.
		And I came through the same door as the press secretary, as Carolyn Levitt.
		So when I walked in, the room was full.
		I sat in a chair.
		And when I walked out, I walked out to the same room.
		So obviously their view is going to be the wife invites me in.
		I come in with them.
		I ask them this question that makes the press look bad, and then we all walk out.
		No one told me what to say.
		There was zero direction.
		And I actually warned them I was seeking to disparage the press because I'm offended by their lies.
		And they just chuckled and said, hey, look, just ask whatever you want, I suppose.
		And I actually said, I'm considering asking just a very straightforward question, opening this professionally with this bill that Rep.
		Bradley Moore has to strip the visas from Chinese nationals.
		And they were like, we're not going to tell you what to do.
		Just whatever matters.
		And so I figured Elad's got this.
		He's got the straightforward, serious questions.
		I actually wanted to say a lot more, but I figured I'd stick to decorum.
		Because what I was going to say is, to all the people in the room, I will never sit in this chair again if they just open up the seats in this room to other media companies that are at least trying to find the truth.
		All of these journalists in there, all their outlets report the exact same things.
		Now, they have brought, and I think around 20% have been from new media outlets, but they're all standing up.
		Why is Mary Margaret from the Daily Wire standing off to the side when they're arguably getting more viewership on these issues than many of the people sitting in those chairs?
unidentified		I keep thinking about the Michael Malice quote.
unidentified		No matter how much you hate the corporate media, you don't hate them enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's got so many good ones.
unidentified		There's so many.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because there's also factual but not truthful.
		Correct. And that's exactly what they do.
		And that's what they're doing now.
		Yeah, so it was pretty wild.
		The corridors you go through and the security you go through is obviously insane.
		The rooms are very small.
		And I gotta tell you, it's my first time actually having open access in the White House.
		And it was...
		It's a weird place.
		There's a bowling alley.
		A Truman bowling alley.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I played there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you really?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I actually broke it.
		There was a group of us, like six of us, and we threw a couple of sets or frames.
		Something happened and they had to shut it down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So tell me what it's like when you're, because this is what I was experiencing, but I'd rather have you say it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is it like walking to that bowling alley?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's underneath the old executive office building right next door.
		The White House is not just the building, the White House.
		It's the eight acres that includes the old executive office building and then the South Lawn and everything.
		And so to get there, you go down into the basement and it's underneath the old executive office building.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Describe the basement.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I can't even remember.
		It just felt like a cave.
		If you go into the tunnels underneath the Capitol office buildings, it's the same sort of thing.
		It's where you want to go when a nuclear strike happens or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm 5'10".
		If you're 5'11", you're not going to enjoy it.
		There's pipes that are at my head.
		The ground is like a floating grate.
		And it was like this way to the vending machines.
		And I felt like I was not supposed to be down there.
		Because it's a weird, industrial, factory-looking tunnel.
		And then there's this, like, step, and this door that looks like a closet, and it says, there's a little gold placard bowling alley.
		And I was like, what the?
		It was locked.
		I couldn't get in.
unidentified		I thought you were going to say it was powered by Vault-Tec.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I didn't have any...
		The funny thing is, the only press that came up to me were actually fans.
		I mean, there's a decent amount of people that are in there that are right-leading.
		Or equally as concerned with the lies the media keeps pushing on these narratives.
		And I got up and walked right out.
		I didn't know what I was supposed to do.
		So they were like, have a seat here.
		And then I'm like, when they were leaving and they opened the side door again, I'm like, I guess I'd just go back the way I came.
		Like walk out with them and everything.
		But it was cool.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they'll let you know really quickly if you go the wrong way, I imagine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm actually pretty sure that if I didn't follow them, they would have just closed the door.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense as well.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Well, I mean, the whole stick here, not stick, apologies, but IRL's calling it the media and calling it their lies for the last bunch of years, so I'm glad you went on the main stage in the freaking White House in front of all those scumbags, media folks, and called them out in front of their faces.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, look, the legacy media has been extremely critical of not just alternative media and podcasters, but of Tim personally.
		There's nothing wrong with going into the...
		Into the White House briefing room and rubbing their nose in it.
		I mean, honestly, what's wrong with it?
		They've written hit piece after hit piece after hit piece about, again, about Tim personally.
		Timcast and the podcasting space and alternative media, they have lost badly, and there's nothing wrong with going in there and reminding them, you are not in control of this.
		This is not your room.
		This is a room paid for by the American people.
		And so having access, people like Tim or whether it be The Daily Wire or whoever, having access for them is just as legitimate as ABC or NBC or MSNBC.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's more legitimate.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		And not just legitimate, but like necessary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Again, like the Daily Wire is getting substantially more traffic than many of the news outlets that are given seats.
		And still very much this cabal, the White House, what is it, the press corps, the Correspondence Association or whatever, still has a lot of control in the space.
		And I'll tell you what was really freaky, just as an aside, is, you know, I'm planning on asking this question.
		And I had a variety of ways to frame it.
		And the moment the briefing starts, Carolyn Levitt says, I'd like to give a round of applause to this photographer who's been here for 44 years.
		And the whole room is clapping with smiles on their faces for this journalist.
		And I was like, oh no.
		I was like, it's this woman's retirement.
		She's been here for 44 years.
		I do respect that because it's the newer class of these woke millennial types that I'm much more provoked by, I would argue.
		And then I'm like...
		Well, time to rag on the media now after everyone just cheered for this woman.
		And that actually got me pretty nervous.
		At first, I was very arrogant.
		Like, I sat down like, I am going to destroy.
		And then they all started clapping and cheering this woman.
		I was like, now I feel bad.
		I was like, oh no.
		Let me play this clip.
		This is important.
		This is Hassan Piker.
		For those that are not familiar, this guy is one of the most prominent leftist streamers.
		And he was shocked to see me in this chair.
		But what this clip reveals is that he literally did not know that Abrego Garcia, the MS-13 gang member, a legal immigrant, was from El Salvador.
		Listen to this.
		Let me start from the beginning.
		Is he not a Maryland man?
		I'll have you believe, sir.
unidentified		He's actually not from Maryland.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's from D.C. He's not from Maryland.
		He's from El Salvador.
		And he thought the point I was making was nitpicking whether it was D.C. or Maryland as opposed to pointing out this guy illegally under the country as the court has already determined.
unidentified		Is that what Beattie Boy is saying?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He is not a man!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's not a man from Maryland!
unidentified		Maryland is fake!
		Russia Today correspondent Tim Pool.
		I love the centrist liberal Tim Pool.
		Hey guys, an upstress liberalism.
		Wait, is he wearing a hoodie?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Under his, like, suit jacket?
unidentified		Oh, gross.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's literally just a single hoodie.
		Look at this.
		It's a true classic hoodie.
		They're not very expensive.
unidentified		Brother, suit jacket, hoodie, beanie combo is so gross, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I thought this was a really good opportunity to break down a lot of the problems in the corporate press and alternative media.
		Hassan doesn't even know what I'm wearing.
		And he's speaking to millions.
		Millions of people.
		But the important thing is, I show you this once again, and I can't believe...
		Okay, guys, I gotta tell you.
		First there was a horse.
		The horse died, and we started beating the dead horse.
		This story is a dead horse being beaten over and over again.
		We pulverized it into glue yesterday and cat food.
		Now it is just probably ash and charcoal and maybe the teeth remaining, because if we keep...
		I don't know how many times I can point this out.
		He is not a citizen international of the U.S. He's a native of El Salvador.
		This is the—can you pull this up?
		This is the court document showing dude is from El Salvador.
		But the reason I stress this again, the first thing I'll say is, for those that are watching the live show, you're like, Tim, you just told us this.
		Yes, but this will be a segment specifically addressing Hassan.
		When people like Hassan pull up these news stories and they march in lockdown, they genuinely believe, like, CNN's telling me the truth.
		He goes, he's not from Maryland.
		What's he from, D.C.?
		It's like, no, my dude, he's from El Salvador.
		But people like Hassan don't do any journalistic work.
		They don't research.
		They don't pull court documents.
		So he actually thinks, and I feel bad for him because I understand his anger.
		Hassan believes that Donald Trump accidentally arrested an American citizen from Maryland and deported him to El Salvador.
		I mean, that would terrify me, too.
		We've said on the show numerous times, American citizens should not be going to El Salvador.
		But this is what the corporate press does.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		The fascinating thing I believe about all this is that it reminds me of the defund the police thing, which is a portion of the left gets fixated on something and it takes over the entire left side of the aisle to the point where they look absolutely berserk and crazy.
		And when you've got...
		A senator and four congressmen going down to El Salvador to a prison to meet and shake hands and have margaritas with an MS-13 gang member.
		You're not even crazy anymore.
		You're like certifiably insane.
		And so, like, if you want to pulverize the horse, kill it, turn it into glue, cat food, turn it into ash, I say we just keep doing it until they stop talking about it.
		Because it's our issue.
		We've won it.
		And we're going to win tomorrow and the next day and the next day.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		A little context about this guy.
		He specifically said that there are baby settlers.
		He takes the side of the mosque.
		He specifically said that there are baby settlers.
		And that he doesn't judge how people rise up.
		He's literally had Houthi terrorists on his stream.
		He's speaking to a translator who's translating to the Houthi terrorist.
		Tell him that we believe that he's doing what Luffy would do.
		Luffy's a character from One Piece, which is a manga.
		And so he literally takes the side of terrorists.
		He straight up has said that America deserved 9-11.
		Came out and said it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You better be careful.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump might deport him.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would love it.
		He's an anchor baby.
		He's an anchor baby.
		But like he he actually kind of is emblematic of the left in that they can't help but take the side of the bad guys.
		The left was on the side of the people that were firebombing cities across the country in 2020.
		The vice president, the former vice president, Kamala Harris, was actually advertising a website to help pay for the legal fund for people that were arrested, not for protesting, but for actually rioting.
		I forget the guy's name.
		He was in...
		He was the guy that was shot by the police because he was about to take off with a car full of kids.
		He had a knife.
		Jacob Blake.
		He's the reason that Kenosha burned down.
		The vice president went and took pictures with him.
		The left continually sides with people that are not just...
		On the left, but they literally side with criminals and the bad guys.
unidentified		It's not a bug either.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes. It's a feature.
unidentified		I mean, that's a feature of the system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		But I also think there's a point to be made in that, you know, some of these guys just aren't smart enough to do the digging.
		And, you know, obviously there's a lot of people who would rather just insult and rag on Hassan and take a low road.
		Serge is raising his hand.
		But I'm going to say this with sincerity.
		I think the dude genuinely just believes too much fake stuff and doesn't know what's real.
		And so, like, I'll say it again.
		I mean, when the news initially broke about the administrative error...
		My position was, okay, they deported an illegal immigrant.
		There's an administrative error.
		They shouldn't have done this.
		And I get a bunch of people now taking that quote and sending it to me and saying, what's up, Tim?
		Where are you at now?
		I'm like, oh, well, they came out with the arrest documents showing it was MS-13.
		They cited the Alien Enemies Act saying that he is part of a terrorist organization.
		Here's the evidence.
		Here's the image of his tattoos.
		Here's the informant giving his rank.
		Here's the arrest report showing him with known gang members.
		Here's his wife trying to cover up his tattoos.
		And he's a wife beater.
		And I'm like, I see.
		I see.
		So what's the remedy then for the administrative error is a USCIS interview.
		That's it.
		Now, I did do an interview.
		I had an interview with Secretary Noem, and we actually spoke for about half an hour.
		But at least in this regard, she said, at this point, it's out of our jurisdiction.
		He is not an American citizen.
		There's no remedy for this.
		He can have a USCIS interview if he finds his way back here somehow, but it's not going to happen.
		There's no reality where that happens.
		If he does come back, he will simply get his hearing and be deported immediately.
		So they're arguing for this administrative tool.
		We're at the point now where Senator Van Hollen is backed away saying, I don't care if he's deported.
		If he came back, they'd say, okay, wait, before you enter the country, USCIS agent, how are things in El Salvador?
		They've arrested all of the gang members.
unidentified		Okay, bye.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Back in the plane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Go home.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		For Mr. Andy, your question of beating the—I have a question for you.
		Yeah. The problem with the right, a lot of times, is we always follow the narratives of the left.
		We let them tell us the stories, and Tim's been beating, we've been beating this dead horse for months, for weeks now.
		Why can't we just stop and start talking about what we want to talk about and have them follow us instead of us follow them?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I think the chief reason is because the deck is stacked against us.
		Because the corporate media is so large and funded so predominantly by corporate interests that it's tough to suffocate that noise and talk about what we want to.
		I mean, gosh, Caroline Levitt would be happy to talk about what we want to talk about every day.
		But when there's only one guy in the room who's...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't Donald Trump just tweet and set the narrative?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I feel like what you're saying is actually contrary to the reality.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a tug of war.
		I would agree with you because we have talked about it before that I've said in the past we need to start telling them what the story is, and we've been increasingly doing it.
		I think this election, the podcast presidency, was the inflection point where this is a tug-of-war.
		So Signalgate versus Maryland Manhoax is a good example of this.
		Well, actually, they ran face-first into that on accident.
		But see how they're trying to shift back to Pete Hegseth?
		It's a whole story.
		Signalgate was a month ago.
		Like, we're over this.
		This news cycle has moved on.
		But they initially tried to make us care about a circumstance not worth caring about.
		Did you know that a journalist was accidentally given access to partial information related to strikes in Yemen?
		No times, no targets, no locations, no weapons.
		Vehicles, yes.
		And I'm sorry, I should say partial times, but without location.
		And by all means, you can criticize it.
		But journalists get access to this information all the time.
		So like, what's the story?
		They desperately tried to make us care about that.
		And we just walked away from it for the most part.
		We did talk about it for sure.
		So I would say this.
		If you track the news cycle and look at the corporate press, they talked about it for about a week and a half longer than we did.
		It was nuts how many panels they were doing on it.
		It was kind of funny.
unidentified		This has been...
		Like I said, it's a feature, not a bug.
		If you go all the way back to the French Revolution, you got Marat and the guys running the papers.
		Once they realize, hey, we can turn on this outrage machine and rile up the Saint-Culot to go store in the Bastille or whatever, they've never turned it off.
		And that's the lesson the left has learned that we're just starting to figure out, I think, on the right, where we can set the narrative if we have Trump in the White House tweeting about it, if we've got a few pointed media companies that
		are...
		Thoughtful about it.
		And yeah, this was the inflection point in this election where I think we're starting to get the hang of it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do want to just add a quick aside before we move on.
		Harry Sisson tried coming after me.
		He said, Tim Poole cried about President Zelensky not wearing a suit when he met with Trump.
		But this is how Tim showed up to the White House today.
		Zip up jacket and a beanie.
		Maybe he shouldn't be such a hypocrite.
		Did you meet Trump?
		When I met Trump, I wore a suit.
		Yeah. And I went to a very nice clothing store in West Palm Beach.
		And they actually instructed me that the beanie was correct for the suit that I was wearing.
		And I laughed and I said, let's go!
		They explained to me that they actually do sell hats.
		And I said, but this is not formal, right?
		Would this be considered rude?
		And they're like, no, no.
		It's perfectly fine.
		And I was like, really?
		And they were like, yes, of course.
		And they had similar hats, but I was like, I'm going to wear it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Most of the talking points that you're hearing from the left, especially people like Hassan and like Harry Sisson, it's just a vehicle for the ad hominem.
		Right? It's not about...
		There's no substantive criticism.
		It's just a vector of attack so that way they can insult Tim personally because they have no substance.
		They can't say, oh, you're wrong about the media.
		You're wrong about your question.
		The premise of your question was wrong.
		They can't do that.
		So they just have to say, well, you know, look at how dumb his hat is.
		Look at how dumb his clothes are.
		Blah, blah, blah, blah.
		It's literally got no substance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was my response.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who wants to read it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, it's a cool hoodie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What I actually responded saying, I wasn't meeting with the president.
		When I met with the president, I did wear a suit.
		And this is, you know, I was asked before, it's like, hey, you're going, should I get a suit jacket or something?
		I'm like, for the press briefing?
		I was like, I'm not dressing up for these people.
		And some were saying, yeah, but what about Carolyn Lever, disrespecting her?
		And I'm like...
		Calm down.
		It's fake nonsense.
		When Zelensky went to the World Economic Forum, he wore a suit.
		That was before the war.
		But regardless, now he shows up to Trump and he's dressed down.
		And Trump didn't really care that much.
		But he did get criticized for that.
		But let's jump to this next story.
		We have this tweet from Gunther Eagleman.
		He says, watching David Hogg almost single-handedly fracture his party into two pieces is phenomenal.
		He said that one of his main objectives is to unseat Democrats, but then refuses to name anyone.
		Says he's willing to put up to $200 million to get it done.
		James Carville and other Democrats are now calling for his removal as DNC vice chair.
		Pure cinema right here.
		They're imploding more than they already were.
		I don't want to give this guy too much airtime.
		I will play a little bit of this, but we have another clip of David Hogg getting absolutely annihilated because he has no idea what he's talking about, and he's destroying the Democratic Party.
david hogg ▲ ● ▼		So, right now, let me be clear.
		This is not specifically when it comes to the candidates that we are targeting.
		It's not just, oh, if you're over a certain age, you should not be doing this.
		Unfortunately, there are people of all ages who are failing to meet this moment in different ways right now.
		What we're looking at, it's not out with the old and in with the new.
		It is out with the ineffective and in with the effective.
		And part of what we're doing with this announcement is waiting to see who retires here and says, you know what?
		It is time.
		I'm not ready to meet this moment anymore.
		And I know for a lot of our members that They will decide that, ultimately.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the reason I wanted to highlight that is what he's basically saying is he wants all Democrats to self-deport.
		He's basically saying, we're going to launch a massive campaign against you.
		Why don't you retire?
		I've got to be honest, that's actually the right thing to do.
		What Donald Trump is doing, and this is something that Secretary Noem told me, is that getting the message out to illegal immigrants, leave now of your own volition, otherwise you will face penalties, it's going to increase self-deportation.
		People are just going to leave, and that saves you money.
		If David Hogg can convince incumbent Democrats to quit out of fear, retire now before it's too late, he's going to save himself a fat sack of cash.
		But now we have this, where on ABC News, David Hogg, and he's one of four or three vice chairs of the DNC.
		Is that his position?
		Yeah. He gets absolutely obliterated in this clip.
		Check this out.
		Let me tee this up.
		This is the future of the Democratic Party.
		This is important.
unidentified		They've got no message.
		They've got no movement.
		They've got no leader.
		I mean, it doesn't get any worse than that.
		I mean, you're defending Harvard.
		You're traveling to El Salvador for MS-13 gang members.
		But here's the point.
		You're taking $20 million.
		If I'm looking at someone, my vice chair at the RNC, taking $20 million for another effort, it's $20 million out of the DNC's pocket.
		You can't be on the board of the Fishing and Forest Company and on Greenpeace at the same time.
		There are places for the party accountable.
david hogg ▲ ● ▼		Let me push back against that.
		This was not an MS-13 gang member, and you damn well know that.
		He was not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Please don't stop, David Hogg.
		Please don't stop.
		The administration admitted this was wrong.
unidentified		In America, we have a process, we are a land of law and order.
david hogg ▲ ● ▼		We are a land of law and order.
		And this administration is repeatedly showing time and time again, they do not care about what the Supreme Court says.
		They do not care about the rule of law.
		And you cannot defend sending people to another country.
unidentified		So CNN just did a poll.
david hogg ▲ ● ▼		To another country where they don't have rights.
unidentified		I'm going to pause real quick because David Hogg is yelling over this dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said CNN released a poll that most Americans believe all illegal immigrants should be deported.
		This is the issue with David Hogg as vice chair and why I would say He is burning down the DNC.
		I have this.
		This is the Prince George's County Police Department gang field interview sheet.
		This is released by the DOJ.
		This is the arrest report showing that Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia was arrested with MS-13.
		I just think it's fairly obvious that if you're wearing MS-13 gang clothes, that in and of itself doesn't really say much.
		You're wearing a Bulls hat and a jersey.
		However, if you're wearing their specific gang clothes and you're with them, Now we're going to start asking questions.
		Because if you were not part of MS-13, you might get in trouble with these guys.
		I genuinely wonder if people don't understand gang culture, but if you're in gang territory wearing the wrong colors, they will come up to you.
		This is very, very common for people from Chicago.
		I know I'm beating a dead horse on that one because I'm from there.
		You'll be walking down the street, and if you're wearing black and gold, someone's going to stop and say, You Latin King?
		Like, you're wearing the gang colors.
		And it's like, bro, I'm just wearing gym shorts.
		You don't even know.
		And this is common.
		So not only do we have evidence, okay?
		Evidence. That when officers then interviewed Kilmar Armando Obrego Garcia during the interview, officers observed he was wearing a bulls hat and hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes and ears and mouth, which is indicative of ver or, I don't know how to pronounce that, oy y calar, see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil, wearing the Chicago bulls hat,
		represents their member in good standing with MS-13.
		And then they interviewed an individual who said that he was a chequeo, right here, he had the rank of chequeo with the moniker of Chele.
		And then, of course, here is the document I've shown 50 billion times already that asserts in the hearing for removal that he is a citizen of El Salvador.
		So for David Hogg to then go on the show and say, you know damn well he was not...
		I feel like these people can't save their own party for the life of him.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll make a prediction.
		I bet you're not going to see David Hogg on...
		TV in the next couple of months.
		As soon as that was over, I bet, you know, there's clearly a void at the top in the Democrat Party, but whether it's Gavin Newsom, who's trying so hard to not be a progressive anymore, even though he is, Rahm Emanuel,
		who's going online or going on TV saying stop all the woke stuff, whether it's Obama, somebody's calling up David Hogg and saying you're not going to go on TV anymore.
		Well, that's the question, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I kind of—I don't agree.
		We were talking about this yesterday.
		When we're crafting the thumbnails for this show, we want to have—there's party leadership for prominent political stories.
		If the story is about—you know, sometimes we won't use a political—if the story is really big, like it's Elon Musk.
		You know, if Elon does a big thing and it's big in the news, the character in the thumbnail will be Elon.
		There's no Democrat personality that represents the party at all.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		If I'm wrong, it's because you're right that there is nobody at the top.
		But what I can tell you is that there's a lot of money.
		There's a lot of checks that will not be written to the DNC if that behavior continues.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I think you are correct.
		So I do believe there's a strong probability that you are correct in the entirety.
		I think, however, you have split factions in the DNC right now.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Civil War, baby.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Internal Party Civil War.
		With the Democrats, there's going to be the James Carville types.
		He called them a little twerp.
		Did you hear that?
		And you think David Hogg's now going to listen to what he has to say?
		Nope. And perhaps he was only called to tour because he wouldn't listen in the first place.
		So there's going to be someone with a check for the Democratic Party and Hogg's going to say, you're not giving that check to me and you never were going to.
		So I don't care what you think.
		I'm going to say what I think.
		This fracturing is going to...
		I don't see how, at least in the near future, they emerge with a coherent party.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, right now, the Democrats don't know what they want to be.
		They don't know if they want to be progressives or if they want to be closer to mainstream, roconic-style Democrats.
		And also, if they decide to go with the progressives, the very progressives, which David Hogg is one of, they're not going to get any money.
		They're not going to get donations.
		They'll get small donations from the...
		Average person that likes AOC, likes Bernie Sanders, and they might be able to get millions of dollars, but they're not going to get the big checks that go to PACs, which actually make a big difference.
		Hillary Clinton spent a billion dollars to lose to Donald Trump.
		Joe Biden and Kamala Harris spent a billion dollars to lose to Donald Trump.
		Joe Biden spent a billion dollars when he beat Donald Trump.
		That's the kind of money that it takes to win an election nowadays.
		And they're just not...
		And AOC and Bernie Sanders aren't going to get it because they will actually talk about things like taking away...
		You're changing the corporate...
		Or the tax rate on capital gains.
		So your people that pay 15%, they're going to pay 25%.
		They're not going to want to...
		Give a donation to them.
		If they're going to tax unrealized gains, you're going to have to sell your property, pay taxes.
		These are the types of policies that AOC and Bernie like, and they're not going to get anyone to give them money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you guys are involved in this political landscape of fundraising and all that stuff.
		Yeah. So I'm curious with your experience on this.
		It's interesting because I don't see a reality in which the old guard Democrats begin to agree with the woke new upstarts.
		So what happens to those?
		Where do those donations go?
		Do they just stop?
		How does this play out?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes, right?
		So if you look back, we've gone through cycles of this in the past on the left and the right, but it's historically either somebody on the younger side on the left in that Rohana style picks up the mantle and runs with the money.
		Or what's happened on the left more often is one of the older types sees an opportunity, adjust their politics, and try to take their money, their historic donors, and bring it with them and try to marry in the middle.
		And that's kind of what Bernie Sanders shot for but missed.
		And if Hillary Clinton probably would have knocked him off the edge, he might have been successful with that.
		But that would be my suspicion.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I think political donors kind of fall in two camps.
		And this works on both sides of the aisle.
		There are the principal donors, and then there are the transactional donors.
		And if the money is not moving where it needs to go in budgets, in federal budgets or state budgets, The transactional donors will stop.
		And if you're talking about MS-13 illegal aliens or you're talking about transgender surgeries and stuff like that, and that prevents the money from moving in the budgets, the transactional money stops.
		I know that's a little complicated, but that's how I see the donor community.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So are we optimistic then for the midterms, for the next four years?
unidentified		Go ahead.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I'm thoroughly blackpilled on just the economic situation in our country.
		I mean, we are going into a sovereign debt crisis.
		And Trump is correctly trying to steer that titanic boat and turn it diametrically in the opposite direction.
		But he's getting hammered by the reality of having 120% debt to GDP.
		I do not know how we stop that train.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The biggest problem that the Republicans are going to face is the economy.
		And the Republicans need to actually provide good results for the American people.
		Because if they don't, the people that are going to come after them, the Democrats that will end up getting elected because the Americans don't like the Republicans because they didn't do...
		Enough for them.
		Didn't provide the results they wanted.
		The people that come after the Republicans are very, very bad.
		They're your AOCs.
		They're your Bernies.
		And those people will destroy the economy.
		They will abs...
		Because we have, like you said, 120% debt to GDP.
		And if you...
		Start implementing things like the Green New Deal and implementing things like Medicare for All with that kind of debt.
		You will blow up the dollar, and that has ramifications that aren't just to the United States.
		They're ramifications globally.
		Those are the kind of things that start wars.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I would even go further and say we just need to stop the current spending.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		And the people that are in the way that are literally blocking us from doing that are Senate Republicans.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, fair enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the inflation rate in 1980 was 13%, and the Federal Reserve hiked interest rates to nearly 20%, and the economy officially entered into a recession.
		The U.S. federal debt to GDP in 1980 was 34.56.
		The current U.S. debt to GDP is 122.7.
		So, we are not producing anything.
		We're not going to be able to pay down the debt.
		Probably why the Doge effort is so important, but I don't believe that Doge is moving quickly enough to get our spending down.
		So you have the debt continuing to increase.
		In fact, the deficit is still increasing.
		So the difference, the deficit is how much more we're spending than we make, and the deficit is going up, meaning we're going to exponentially accrue debt faster and faster and faster.
		And, you know, Ian, Likes to just say on this show, just default.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's a war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just default.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That'll be a war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's World War III instantly overnight.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would argue that inflation is default.
		Like, when you buy a $1,000 bond, you expect $1,000 back.
		But because of inflation, you get less of it.
		And so the crisis that we're having right now is that if the Fed cuts rates...
		That means more money's in the system, which means higher inflation.
		If they raise rates, that means interest expense that the government has to pay causes inflation.
		There is no way out of this without inflation.
unidentified		There's a way out of it.
		We have to cut spending.
		Right. I mean, that's the only way out.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		But if you're as black-pilled as I am, there is no amount of spending that you can cut to get out of it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And even if they cut spending on the things that actually do impact the deficit and the debt, Unfunded liabilities, your mandatory spending, which is, you know, your Medicare, Medicaid, those are the people that vote the most and that will not last because they're of the opinion that they paid in.
		So even if you cut all the benefits to everybody 65 and over and said, we have to save the dollar, we have to save the country, they will vote your ass out the very next chance they get.
		So it's really a situation where I'm very much in the same boat with you.
		I don't know how to fix it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think Trump might have a solution.
		We've got this story from the Post Millennial.
		Trump admin reverses course on Biden's student debt relief.
		Only 38 percent of borrowers are current on payments.
		They have not collected on student loan debt for five years.
		We've got a statement from the DOE.
		This is amazing.
		It says, quote, American taxpayers will no longer be forced to serve as collateral for irresponsible student loan policies, said U.S. Secretary of Education Linda McMahon.
		The Biden administration misled borrowers.
		The executive branch does not have the constitutional authority to wipe debt away, nor do the loan balances simply disappear.
		That's the interesting one, because I've heard from people they logged into their accounts and the balance simply disappeared.
		So what happens now?
		Will it come back?
		Hundreds of billions have already been transferred to taxpayers going forward.
		The DOE, in conjunction with the Department of Treasury, will shepherd the student loan program responsibly and according to the law, which means helping borrowers return to repayment both for the sake of their own financial health and our nation's economic outlook.
		They mention 42.7 million borrowers owe more than $1.6 trillion in student debt.
		Only 38% of borrowers are in repayment and current on their student loans.
		They say almost 1.9 million borrowers have been unable to even begin repayment because of a processing pause that was put in place by the previous administration.
		Since August 2024, the department has not processed applications for enrollment in any repayment plan, such as income-based repayment, income-contingent repayment, or PAYE, P-A-Y-E.
		The department is currently working with federal student loan servicers and anticipates processing to begin next month.
		This is going to be interesting.
		I'm curious what you guys think.
		I'll tell you what I think.
		Young people, younger millennials, or just millennials in general, with massive debt, who haven't had to pay them for five years, they didn't budget for this.
		They are going to get a shock debt overnight that they thought is gone.
		And if they do say, when they say, this debt doesn't disappear, if people log back in and all of a sudden the debt is there, or they get a collections bill in the mail saying, sorry, the Supreme Court said Biden could not do this, it is going to be people waking up with negative money.
		They didn't budget for this.
		The economy is going to get hurt.
unidentified		Yeah, I work in, when I'm not in Statehouse, I work in real estate.
		So primarily commercial real estate, but I do a little bit of residential.
		And I can tell you, people our age, when they're waiting longer and longer to buy a house, in the last five years, we've seen a little bit of an uptick of millennials buying their first home because they weren't paying student loans.
		And they were suspended, so the lenders could count on that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wow. Do you guys have any sense as to if, and this is totally hypothetical, and it's just...
		Popped my head.
		I have no idea if there's any substance to it.
		But is it possible that banks have taken these loans and turned them into securities and have sold them like they did with the mortgage-backed securities in 2008?
		I don't know.
		But if they did, in the hopes that the government was going to pay these things off, because if they said, oh, Biden says that he's going to pay them off, and they say, well, we can securitize these.
unidentified		In my experience, if anything can be securitized and financialized, they will.
unidentified		I don't know if they can legally do that, but if they can, then they're going to try it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, again, I have no sense as to if they did or not.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But if they did, if banks have done this, then this is a ticking time bomb.
unidentified		Well, most of those same banks we're talking about, you know, the Big Five, they're already sitting on an insurmountable amount of commercial property debt.
		They're just getting...
		They're kicking the can down the road as long as possible.
		If that's the case, then that might be the straw that breaks the appropriate back.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the telephone pole.
unidentified		Or the telephone pole.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, more than a straw.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
		Again, I don't know, but I just thought of that.
		I was like, well, what if they securitized them?
		What if they're like, oh, the government will take care of them, Joe Biden said.
		So they're just like, hey.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know banks, private banks used to write student loans, and then Obama nationalized it.
		And made it a strictly government enterprise.
		And then there's Sally Mae, which may securitize the loans.
		I'm not sure.
		But they're kind of like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
		But all of this, when I read headlines like this, that Trump's going to reverse this, I think of two things.
		One is, he's not going to lose any votes.
		Not that he's running for re-election, but the Republican Party's not going to lose any votes on this because these are art history majors that are woke and liberal and protesting on campus.
		And two is, hey, here's a great idea.
		Let's learn about personal responsibility again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so...
		Brave AI says, yes, banks have securitized student loans.
		The process involves bundling individual student loans into securities that can be sold to investors.
		This allows banks to provide liquidity by offering more loans and diversifying their portfolios for investors.
		The securitization process typically includes originating the loans, bundling them into a pool, transferring the pool to a trust, raiding the securities.
		That's the exact same thing they did with mortgage-backed securities.
		That's what mortgage-backed securities were.
		They were backed by mortgages.
		Now these securities are just backed by...
		I mean...
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I was actually a stock trader before I got into the sleazy business of politics, but that was 20 years ago, so I don't remember.
		But yeah, that begs the question, like Moody's and S&P, like how do they rate these securitized loans?
		Do they rate them according to the degree?
		Like art history is a minus C and a doctorate is...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know they're all AAA.
unidentified		Right. Because that's exactly what they did.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what they did with the mortgage-backed securities and the aughts.
		They were all AAA because they knew the government would step in.
		And the credit rating companies, they were all in on it.
		Because... Because George Bush had said we need to make sure that people can buy houses because the government literally had it backwards.
		They said if you get a house that will make you a responsible person as opposed to have responsible people need houses.
		It was buy a house that will make people pay their bills, that will make people be responsible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a degree you can get from Harvard called folklore and mythology.
		Can we just break this down in terms in business sense?
		Okay. You go to a bank because you want to open a business.
		And they say, what will your business do?
		And you say, we're going to provide welding services to local construction companies and to B2C and B2B.
		And they'll say, what's your projected revenue?
		Well, there's X amount of people that require the services of a welder.
		And they'll say, okay.
		So, there's another way to look at it.
		You go to a student loan service provider, whatever, servicers, and you say, I want to get a loan so I can learn to be a welder.
		Why is that?
		Well, there's...
		X amount of openings for welders.
		They generate X amount of revenue.
		You give me this money, I will learn to be a welder, and then I will pay you back.
		Makes sense.
		Now take a look at folklore and mythology.
		You're going to a bank and saying, I'm going to open a business.
		What does your business do?
		We learn about folklore and mythology.
		Who wants that?
		Literally nobody.
		So how are you going to pay me back?
		No idea.
		We're going to give you $100,000 for this.
		Deal. And they shake on it.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I know what a folklore and mythology degree will get you.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		It qualifies you to be a professor.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		A dungeon master?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		No, a professor of folklore and mythology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed it does.
		Maybe a journalist.
		Yeah. Or maybe you can be a communist.
unidentified		Well, I tell you, in South Carolina, which is a red state, one of the reasons that the Freedom Caucus Network exists is while the Democrats are trying to forgive student loans, in South Carolina we're subsidizing on the front end.
		So they're getting student loans, yeah, that are Democrats are promising to forgive.
		But we're spending $52 million or $57 million in this year's budget to subsidize all these same degrees on the state level.
		No matter what it is, whether it's mythology or welding, the mythology ones actually probably get more subsidization.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's ridiculous.
unidentified		This is in a red state.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		The education secretary said, Tim, that hundreds of billions have already been transferred to taxpayers.
		Right. People got off.
		So those lucky folks got off where the rest of the folks are going to have to pay it back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think Ian said that, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said he woke up one day and he looked and his account was empty.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Son of a gun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He didn't owe that much, but it was, you know, like 10 grand or something, I think.
		I can't remember what he said.
		But, gone.
		I don't know.
		I mean, the Supreme Court said you can't do that.
		So, just because...
		It's going to be interesting.
		What if Trump just says, no, bring it back.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Reverse it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, why not?
		Your debt never went away.
		They said that the debt can't be simply erased.
		So what happens if he just says, we have the ledger, we'll just click yes.
		And then it's back.
		You can't zero it out.
		Or as quickly as they zero it out, they just go to system restore on the computer.
		Everybody's debt comes right back.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		They can do whatever they want for the most part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty wild when you see people like David Hogg screaming like, they don't care about the rule of law.
		And it's like, bro, Joe Biden ignored the court like every day.
		And then tried decreeing a constitutional amendment.
		Literally on his way out, he's like, 20th Amendment is now confirmed!
		It's like, yeah, Joe, you can't do that.
unidentified		It's the same party of mostly peaceful protests.
unidentified		I mean, that's the, say, in your law and order party while the buildings are on fire behind you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We do love our very peaceful protests.
		But we do have another story, which is, welcome to the Nightmare Scenario, my friends.
		We've got this tweet from Andrew Falchuk on Axe.
		And he points out the third most viewed video on all of YouTube this week is an AI-generated short of a pug that saves a baby from a plane crash, and then they try surviving on an island.
		I will play some of this for you now.
		There you go.
unidentified		Make it bigger.
unidentified		There we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The baby had a parachute, by the way, and the plane explodes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If you've got parachutes, that's the right move.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Good dog.
unidentified		The pug then saves the baby.
unidentified		Yep. This is creepy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The dog is now securing a coconut.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Make a bottle for the baby.
unidentified		Oh, he's making fish in the coconut.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
unidentified		SOS. The baby's gotten bigger, and his hair color changed.
		Black off.
		Yeah, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why do they have guns?
		The baby's been saved!
		So, this video I find to be creepy, but not nearly as creepy as it gets.
		That's the number three video on all of YouTube.
		Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Final Galaxy.
		This is another one of these AI slop.
		This is Elsagate.
		If you don't know what Elsagate is...
		Welcome to the nightmare.
		About eight years ago, there were a series of videos on YouTube that were going massively viral.
		It was Spider-Man, Joker, and Elsa running around with no speaking, and they were engaging in gags.
		These gags became increasingly more and more deranged.
		At first, it was just the Joker kidnapping Elsa and Spider-Man saving the day.
		But these videos are getting hundreds of millions of views.
		Eventually, they started turning into creepy things, like Elsa was pregnant.
		And there would be a woman wearing a pregnant belly, and the Joker would have a syringe, and he'd be trying to stick her with it, a big plastic fake one.
		Getting weirder and weirder.
		Eventually, you ended up with the Finger Family songs, which is very much what we are seeing now with this story.
		Take a look at this, the top two videos.
		168 million views, and it's a child in a Spider-Man costume running from flying hot dogs.
		The next one is Spider-Man, surrounded by hot dogs.
		There's Spider-Man fighting a sumo wrestler.
		There's Spider-Man with a gun pointed at the Joker.
		Here's a creepy one of Spicy Pepper Spider-Man eating a bunch of spicy peppers.
		Kicking a child.
		Spider-Man with a child.
		This is AI generic garbage garbled nonsense.
		Now, you might look at this and say like, okay, well, you know, in this one it's Spider-Man fighting a sumo wrestler.
		What's bad with that?
		It is babies watching these videos.
		It is likely babies.
		And children.
		And the reason why they have so many views, what we saw with Elsagate, this is exactly the same thing.
		They use keywords like Joker, Spider-Man.
		They've got Supergirl, apparently.
		Haircut and styling.
		It is literally just Iron Man.
		They are targeting keywords that get a lot of traffic on YouTube so that the video will autoplay for your baby.
		When you put your tablet in front of the baby and press play and walk away, this is what your baby starts seeing.
		These deranged and unhinged videos, it is going to fry their brains and socially stunt them and make them mentally unwell in the future.
		It is incoherent nonsense videos.
		And they're getting hundreds of millions of views.
		That video with the pug, that is a nightmare video.
		To be fair, a pug wrestling a baby isn't nearly as bad as the Joker forcing a hot dog in Spider-Man's mouth.
		But they're still strange.
		Incoherent, asocial videos that are going to fry children's brains.
		And it's back, baby.
		There was a channel.
		Let me see if I can find this story.
		This is nuts.
		A.I. Trump YouTube channel that got some coverage.
		Yeah, here we go.
		We'll pull this one up.
		It's not just the garbled nonsense.
		It's this.
		Look at this.
		A.I. Slop Farms are churning out fake, heartwarming videos about Trump figures.
		And look at this.
		It's Carolyn Leavitt.
		And she's on a plane like, what is this?
		They apparently deleted the channel.
		But there were videos, one was described as, they used that AI voice, that sounds like this, if you've ever heard it.
		And a little girl, it's like, a little girl approached Donald Trump and asked him, Mr. President, will you save the starving people?
		And the president said, and then it shows like Trump and he's looking at the child.
	Super creepy AI nightmare scenario.
	Welcome to hell.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Is this Final Galaxy TV?
		Because it says this channel is not made for kids.
		I'm trying to look it up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Final Galaxy?
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Dash TV.
		And it's more.
		It says it's not made for children.
		So I don't know if it's marked off.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they do that.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Just to lie to us?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or just so that they could...
		They do that because they'll get banned for this.
		Okay. And, I mean, look at the description.
		All videos are made by, created by Final Galaxy.
		All videos contain materials protected by fair use guidelines.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Ages 13 and up.
		Indeed. So a 13-year-old can see that.
		I've got a 12-year-old girl, and she will look at this stuff and ask me if it's real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A 7-year-old still gets this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. They're putting 13 and up only because they know it's bannable, because YouTube already nuked all this stuff during the first Elsagate.
unidentified		Gotcha. Disney's pretty infamous for having pretty litigious...
unidentified		Yep. Where's the DCMA attorney?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't see how this is fair use.
		I mean, there's a certain degree where you can argue transformative or satirical or something, or commentary.
		Maybe one or two of these might fall into the realm of, like, we're satirizing it, but they're literally just using the IP to generate hundreds of millions of views.
		It is, and this is just one channel.
		I think I've actually got this.
		Here, take a look at this.
		This is ViewStats.com and GTA V, where is my green bed?
		In 21 hours, it has 19,614,546 views.
		Enjoy the video.
unidentified		Enjoy the video.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		Good God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this channel's got 3.2 million subscribers?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is this channel even?
unidentified		Look at these shorts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at this.
		The latest one has 19...
		Oh, that's 19 million views from yesterday.
		Where is my shower towel squid game 53 million views?
unidentified		Gross. Hey!
unidentified		Aw, thank you!
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		That's all?
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		And it gets 53 million?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at the title of the video.
		GTA 5, Where Is My Pillow, Squid Game, Girl, Doll, Part.
		The goal is just to exploit the algorithm to get views, and it's working.
		And this is...
		Look at this.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		No, it's Where Is My Shower, Towel, Squid Game.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This one is GTA, Where Is My Pillow, Squid Game, next to it.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha. Same one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		GTA 5, Who Owns This Bed, Squid Game.
		So he's...
		This is a...
		This is really interesting.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		And then YouTube cuts checks to these things because they get the views, right?
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Hundreds of millions like that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll do some quick math.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For 53 million views in a short, it's probably going to be $500, $600.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		For that one single?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For that one single.
		Yeah, and you'd think they'd get way more with 53 million.
		That's actually...
		It's shorts.
		They run one commercial.
		Okay. What's his most popular?
		See how he opens every video with GTA 5?
		That's manipulating the algorithm.
		That's a bannable offense.
		And so what he's doing is, every video is titled GTA 5, title, followed by Squid Game.
		Squid Game, girl, doll, part.
		That's the algorithmic manipulation.
		Isn't that crazy?
		I mean, bravo to them for figuring out how to manipulate the algorithm like that, but it's messed up because this is going to fry the kids' brains.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		But the return on investment, if you think about it, is creating that one five-second clip.
		I don't know.
		Ten bucks of your time to put that together?
		Because it's the marginal cost of doing that.
		Not even.
		Not even.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. He's probably got a program that...
		He just types in AI.
		Yeah. He just opens up an AI video generator and says, make this video.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Enter. One dollar.
		Upload. 50 cents.
		Yep. And then you get 500 in return.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a...
		The top video might be...
		They're all shorts, by the way.
		Here's the top video for the past day.
unidentified		Hello? Hello?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Geez. It's all brain rot.
		It's brain rot.
		And YouTube is intentionally...
		Look at this.
		All of the top YouTube videos are shorts.
		They're all...
		Except for this one.
		Raid 2 Money.
		9 million and 12 hours from T-Series.
		But T-Series is massive.
		They're like Indian, I think, right?
		Yeah. YouTube is just...
		You know, I'll be honest.
		I'll tell you what I think.
		I think that the push towards TikTok-style shorts on all these platforms is intending to end shows like this.
		You can't have a Donald Trump presidency if you eliminate the ability for the people to speak.
		And so they are siphoning revenue away from platforms like this and then moving everything over to dead formats like shorts.
unidentified		It's a rebellion.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		So instead of listening to this show, people are just doom-scrolling through.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're watching that.
		Just weird giggle noises.
		The worst thing is it's children that are doing it.
unidentified		I can attest to that.
		I taught high school for three years, and I would catch students watching this kind of stuff, and I just could not comprehend the interest.
		Like, why?
		They had no idea.
		It's just...
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		It's that dopamine squirt that just...
		Oh, that's interesting.
		I want to see another one.
		Oh, dopamine squirt.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting how we...
		Kids used to do drugs and smoke.
		They used to drink and it was like, whatever.
		Children had cigarettes way a long time ago.
		And then at some point we were like, you know, this is actually melting their brains and destroying their bodies.
		Let's stop this.
		We haven't yet figured out we need those restrictions.
		I think YouTube should be, I think, it's never going to happen, to be honest.
		Our Congress is too dysfunctional.
		So perhaps the fall of Rome occurs when your lawmakers can't defend themselves from whatever this is.
		Reasonably, I think Congress would say to YouTube, Banned.
		AI slop and slop content in general are banned, even if it's human-made.
		A four-second video of people giggling and eating carrots is like, nope!
		Can't do it.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		So we made a whole new division, a whole new department, or a transfer department?
		I know I'm not trying to expand, Phil.
		I'm just throwing this out there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess you can't because it's a 1A violation.
unidentified		Yeah, that's certainly unconstitutional, but I don't think that's something government can handle.
unidentified		That's a societal problem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well... We, the government handled drugs.
unidentified		Have they?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they have.
		We used to put cocaine in our Coca-Cola.
		Now cocaine use, I mean, so this is a really good argument that Seamus Coughlin brings up when it comes to abortion.
		The liberals always say that if you ban abortion, then it's a coat hanger in the alley, and Seamus responded with, okay, so you're saying 99% of abortions will be gone?
		Deal. Yeah.
		Like, your argument is overwhelmingly abortions are stopped.
		Certainly there's problems with the war on drugs and how they've handled it in the past 20 years.
		But societally, through laws, regulation, we got rid of cocaine and Coca-Cola.
unidentified		And that was mostly on the state level rather than the federal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. But I do believe you're largely correct.
		That's a societal problem.
		And I don't know how you solve for that.
		Because, look, man, how many parents are aware that this is happening to their children and are going to be able to adapt quickly enough to stop it from frying their kids' brains?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Not to digress, but have you guys discussed the fourth turning on this show before?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ad nauseum.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Like, we're there.
		And the fourth turning is all sorts of things, right?
		Political instability, debasement of currency, civil unrest, and the breakdown of the family.
		Indeed. And the only way to get through it is to go through the crisis, and then when we come out of it, we're going to be a lot better, but...
		And I don't know that I truly believe the fourth turning, but it seems like we're heading there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't see why this would be the one time it breaks.
		Right. I mean, so they say, for those that are not familiar, Strauss have generational theory.
		They call it four seasons, and the easiest way to explain it is, what happened 80 years ago?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		World War II.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Eight years before that.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Civil War.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Eight years before that.
		Revolution. Exactly.
		And they say that actually there's more.
		We tend to just not talk about what happened eight years before.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		War of the Roses.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right. And they explain it's basically that a generation goes through war and crisis.
		They're hardened.
		They struggle.
		They survive.
		They have healthy children.
		Those children understand the lessons from their grandparents.
		They have kids.
		The grandkids grew up in a...
		Flourishing society from the hard work of their grandparents, but their parents largely didn't understand.
		And then the next generation is totally detached, angry, dejected, has no idea what's going on, and chaotic, and then it breaks again.
		And that's where we are.
		And I think it's true.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. That's where the black pill comes from.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		It is.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I take a black pill every day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, this is what I don't like about the black pill.
		Just because we can predict that a storm is going to happen...
		Doesn't mean it's like, I guess it's done and we lay down.
		Imagine if you're outside and they're like, uh-oh, a tornado's coming.
		It's like, well, I guess I die.
		It's like, what are you talking about?
		Get in the cellar.
		Do something to prepare for this.
		And then when the storm passes, you get to work.
		What I genuinely don't understand about the mentality of so many millennials, and it's a sliding scale, millennials have it bad.
		They don't, the work makes them feel pain.
		They hate work.
		That I cannot understand.
		And I feel like you'll see this tendency between liberals and conservatives, where conservatives, I believe, more likely enjoy work and liberals more likely hate work.
		And that's why you get communists.
		They don't want to do anything.
		Conservatives, maybe it's because of, maybe there's a correlation between living in urban and rural environments and why conservatives tend to be in more rural areas.
		Maybe you had to chop your own wood and tend to your own animals.
		Be responsible for yourself.
		You lived in a city and you had delivery service do it for you.
		Or you had welfare checks or something.
		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, it's not a good situation.
		We were just talking about the interest rate and the bind that essentially the Federal Reserve and the government are in, trying to fix the problem, but we've allowed it to get so out of control.
		That I'm not sure that there is a way out that isn't defaulting on the debt or something that destroys the dollar, trying to hyperinflate the dollar or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's entertain defaulting on the dollar because I don't think people realize how apocalyptic that means.
		It means the global financial system crashes worse than we've ever seen.
		The first question I have for you guys is, if that does happen, your access to what is largely viewed as routine consumer goods is gone.
		What is, and I love this question, the hardest to source, cheap, cheap, and most important consumer item you would want to have if the global economic chain collapsed?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, it's going to be things like water or...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Disagree. What do you think?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got a well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can pump water.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so, well, I have a well.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have a well as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. So that's not hard to source.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's actually quite easy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It depends on...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so not for...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you're in a city...
		Yes. But so...
		What I mean is...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Who are you talking about then?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, us.
		Literally, these gentlemen in front of me.
		It's... I have my answer, and I think a lot of people who have seen this show know what the answer that I think is.
		But something that you can go to the store right now and buy without a thought, that once the economic chain collapses, you ain't getting.
		And it's extremely useful.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		I know what this is.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Never mind.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm thinking of your question differently, which is if...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you want to buy five boxes of right now?
		If you knew...
		Protein. That is a good one.
		I don't think it's...
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Protein and water.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, emergency food is a very, very good idea if you thought the collapse was coming.
		But right.
		But I don't.
		But food's not, I would say for you guys, particularly hard to source.
		I think on average, conservatives skew towards understanding how to grow their own food.
		I'm not saying they're all farmers and they're all going to master it much more likely where they live because they tend to be in rural areas.
		And so they're going to have more sparsely populated.
		I I don't believe food is the hardest thing to source.
		Ammo? Ammo is probably one of the best answers.
		And that's probably up there at number one.
		My second choice, or rivaling first, is antiseptics.
		Yeah. Stub your toe on a rock, get sepsis, and die.
		Or splash a little alcohol.
		And it may be, it's not mouthwash.
		It might just be whiskey.
unidentified		My cousins are pretty good at banking that.
unidentified		I'm those of South Carolina.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Themselves. Grow potatoes.
unidentified		Yeah, potatoes, corn.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure if Neosporin has an expiration date.
		I mean, it's essentially some kind of antiseptic that's suspended in petroleum jelly.
		You know, that's a good way to take care of minor injuries, the kind of stuff that Tim's talking about.
		Ammo, obviously, is really good.
		You should, especially if you're a regular viewer of this show, you should have firearms, ammo, food, access to water, if not actually having water on hand, stuff to put water in that isn't plastic bottles, etc.,
		like that.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think they're going to default.
		I think they're going to inflate their way out.
		Oh, yeah.
		They're literally just going to start printing money, and they're going to use that to buy bonds and put them in the Federal Reserve.
		And interest rates are then...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So then the value of all your money goes away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Correct. But the stock market will rally.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's still going to send massive repercussions throughout the whole global financial system, and that still likely will turn into some kind of conflict.
unidentified		The only thing that's saved us so far is the fact that...
		The rest of the world is worse.
		Correct. I mean, the fiat dollar is bad, but every other currency is worse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. But I want to white pill you guys.
		We have this story that I think it was actually Libby who pulled it up early in the morning.
		Catholic Herald says Catholics set to exceed Anglicans for first time since Reformation due to younger churchgoers.
		I've got to be honest.
		I'm not super versed on this dispute or whatever from Catholics and Anglicans.
		But we do have another story, and it's from the Wall Street Journal.
		As Catholic Church enters a new era, conservative U.S. members push it right.
		The conservative wing is reviving old practices and growing more assertive in the battle for the future of the church and the nation.
		These stories are part of a growing trend of younger people becoming Christian.
		And I think we had another story here, which is in line with this.
		And it is, new research, belief in Jesus rises fueled by younger adults.
		Something is happening.
		And we can see this.
		This graph is actually very interesting.
		Percent of U.S. adults who say, quote, I've made a personal commitment to follow Jesus that is still important in my life today.
		And in 2008, 77% said yes.
		And it has gone down quite a bit.
		However, since around the pandemic, it's gone from 54% to 66%.
		And I'm even seeing in my own personal life, friends of mine are, people that I know, I should say, have converted.
		There's some...
		There's a prominent professional skateboarder who is largely viewed as kind of a degenerate, recently got baptized.
		I mean, these guys are viewed as street, scummy, drunk, you know, guys.
		Russell Brand, viewed as kind of a degenerate guy for a long time, and he's turning his life around.
		I will stress with the context of this conversation that I'm calling this a white pill, despite the fact that I will fully admit I am not a Christian, but I think everyone can agree when your choice is degenerate, urban, You know, dopamine chaser and routine churchgo with a moral tradition,
		there's one that's preferable.
		Substantially more preferable.
		Absolutely. Clean, functioning, traditional people who are living in a healthy life versus people who are living as if they're going to die tomorrow and then just doing drugs and wasting away.
		This is a huge white pill.
		We're not even post-fourth turning.
		Fourth turning hasn't even happened and young people are starting to adhere to a moral tradition.
unidentified		Yeah, this is a pattern that's been going on, just maybe not as dramatic, but for years as people have kids.
unidentified		And I'd be curious to know if your acquaintances, if your friends, if they have young kids, if they've gotten to that point in their life where when they have children, they look back in their own past and think, man, I want some of the same stuff I had.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I'll tell you is, in my life, the people that are having kids were already Christian, and the people who are not having kids have either abandoned it or not.
		But what I will say is, my wife and I actually had this conversation.
		We're both lapsed Catholics.
		We...
		I'm not going to lie to people and pretend to be a Christian because this is like, you know, some people probably would do it.
		However, we both agreed our daughter's life would be infinitely better if she grew up with a church because we know that we did too, even though we left.
		And the concern we have now is it's kind of a challenge.
		I don't want to go to a church and pretend to have faith in something I don't.
		I kind of feel it's disrespectful, despite the fact that most Christians have said, no, no, no, come, come anyway.
		We want you there.
		But we also know that this upbringing helped me and my wife be good people.
		It helped us grow and learn good morals.
		If we don't give our daughter that, then she won't have what we had.
		And so we want her to understand the things we understand and experience what we understand to a limited effect.
		And so that is the challenge, I suppose.
		So we have talked about...
		How do we do that?
		And, of course, the response from 100% of Christians is, please come.
		And we were like, well, I don't know.
		I just don't feel we could do that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sarah and I have been to church four or five times in the past two or three months.
		We've gone to Mary a couple times.
		Sarah's got a friend that we've gone to church with them.
		Both of us are lapsed Catholics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's coming back.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, well, look, the fact of the matter is, like, it really is a preferable way to raise your family.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I went the opposite way.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I'm a converted Catholic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I was Episcopalian until I married my wife.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They went woke, though, didn't they?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		The Episcopalian, they've got a female pope.
		Oh, God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Heavens! Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And the point of that is just to get people in the...
		They think that they need to be en vogue just to get people in the pews, and really what they need to do is...
		Is actually be a holy church that, and allow, if they believe, allow God to work his magic, you know?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got two daughters, nine and 12, and one of the single best decisions my wife and I made is sending our kids to a classical Christian school rather than the public schools.
		I mean, it's not just that they get a Christian education, but that they're not exposed to the toxic, woke public schools.
		And with school choice expanding across the country, I think what you're white-pilling today, it's only going to continue to go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've told the story quite a bit, but I think y'all will like it.
		It's Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes.
		Shout out to Freedom Tunes.
		It's amazing.
		You should subscribe on YouTube.
		Seamus said, hey, meet up with me after we do a Latin Mass.
		And I said, okay.
		And me and my brother showed up as he was getting out.
		And here I see people wearing their Sunday's best.
		Having conversations, laughing.
		The children were playing.
		The children were also dressed in their Sunday's best.
		And I just thought to myself, isn't this infinitely preferable to what we see in the cities with kids doing drugs and running around and joining gangs?
		And like, I'll take some of that!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		One of the masses that I went to recently was a Latin mass, and I had never been to a Latin mass before.
		And I tell you what, like, whatever you think of a Catholic...
		Like, the Latin mass is like you get transported like 500 years into the past.
		It's like, or maybe a thousand years ago.
		It's like totally medieval, and it's kind of like, wow, this is kind of metal.
unidentified		Sounds fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of metal.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's all in Latin, too, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all in Latin, yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Wow. I don't even know what they're saying.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's a, in the, I forget what it's called, the program, it's actually translated, you have one page as Latin, one page as Latin.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Do you sing?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't, because I don't know Latin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do they sing?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they do, they do, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because I mean, like, if Phil Labonte was singing metal Latin.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's actually really cool, it's a trip.
unidentified		Well, the question is, can you get the benefits without the foundations?
		So, like, if you, not as individuals, but like as a society, if...
		If we recognize, whether it's the old-school Catholic Church or the Baptist Church, Reformed Baptists, not too dissimilar in morals, though, like, can you have one without the other?
		And I think that's, I don't know, 20, 30 years ago, that was kind of tried of, yeah, we're just going to kind of play along with the functions, and that's maybe how we wound up here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that you can...
		I don't think that, especially in our society today, I don't think you can get to the road to Damascus experience unless you surround yourself with Christians, unless you go to church, unless you're walking that path.
		And then, if it's going to happen, if God's going to move in your life, then he's going to do it then.
		That's what makes the most sense to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was watching Charlie Kirk on the Bill Maher Club Random, and Bill Maher made a comment about, he asked about, he is risen, the phrase referring to Easter.
		And Charlie Kirk says, well, it's undying.
		It's immortal.
		It's all time.
		It's not a past thing.
		It's a current.
		It's always.
		And it's for everybody.
		If it was just he was risen, it's a thing that happened a long time ago.
		Bill Maher laughs and says, it's amazing.
		I'm paraphrasing, but something about how someone could be intellectual but believe something so stupid.
		And Charlie said, it's not stupid.
		That's not what I mean.
		What I mean is how they can make themselves come to believe these things.
		And I thought to myself, while I don't identify as Christian, I do believe in God.
		And I was thinking, You know, I feel like a lot of Christians either don't understand or don't know how to, maybe I shouldn't speak for other people, but the way I would explain it to Bill Maher is, in this moment I said, Bill, I'm thinking to myself,
		I would ask him, can you see the color yellow over there?
		And he'd look and he'd say, yes, I can see yellow.
		Prove to me it's yellow.
		He'll be like, what do you mean?
		Like, I can see it.
		It's there.
		I know it.
		I'm looking at it.
		I'm experiencing it.
		Okay, that's how I feel about God.
		I don't know why you don't.
		But for a lot of people, I think that's the way it is.
		You experience God similarly to how I can look and I can see the color blue on a wall and say, I'm seeing blue.
		And there's an old philosophical question of, what if blue to you is red to somebody else?
		Like, well, I don't know, but I know that I am currently experiencing something, and I don't know why you can't.
		Bill then says, you're being stupid.
		You know, I don't think he was trying to be intentionally derogatory, but he says, how could you believe something so dumb?
		And I'm like, could it just be that there's a perception you don't have?
unidentified		Yeah, that reminds me of the C.S. Lewis quote.
		Prolific author.
		Genius. But he said something along the lines of, believing in God, Christianity is not looking at the sun, it's looking at everything because of the sun.
		Like, he can see the world because the sun's there, but he's not staring at the sun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if, you know, if that's what it is, though.
		Is it that people who...
		Here's what I think.
		I think there's probably a lot of people who have faith in God, and even faith particularly in Jesus and specific religion and denominations, Who don't actually feel it but have faith.
		They believe it.
		But I do believe there's probably a lot of people who literally experience this.
		I've met them.
		They've told me these stories.
		And so to them, it's like, as plain as day as I see the sky, I feel the presence of God.
		And then I think that there are people like Bill Maher who lack the perception for something like this and also don't believe it.
		So they say, you all must be crazy because however I see the world is the way you must see the world instead of realizing he just has a different...
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		There's a strong hint of arrogance and belittling in that comment, too.
		You want to question somebody else's faith.
		Like, you better come with receipts that you know the answer.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, one of the things that...
		So, like I said earlier, I'm in a heavy metal band, and that's my gig outside of this.
		And I spent the past 25 years touring with all kinds of people, and a significant portion of them are atheists, right?
		Committed atheists, I don't believe.
		And one of the things that they continually say is things like, oh, the spaghetti monster in the sky, and they belittle it.
		And it's like...
		I've always found that so arrogant and such a ridiculous take on religion, because something that I've said that's totally true, but something that I talk about a lot.
		In every human society, forever, for all the times that there's been humans, and likely pre-humans, likely the...
		You know, Neanderthal and other things that were before humans, they likely had religion.
		In every society that humans have ever had, no matter how far they are separated in time or distance, there was religion.
		So to think, oh, in the past 15 seconds, we figured out that we don't need that.
		And now, all of the things that...
		That came with religion, and they only focus on bad things, like times that there was excesses or times where you could cast religion as a negative.
		All those things don't matter anymore, because now I'm so enlightened, and I don't need any of that stuff.
		And it's just such a pompous and ridiculous, thoughtless position to hold.
		And it drives me nuts hearing people say things like, oh, the spaghetti monster in the sky.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This betting monster thing I find funny because it's like, imagine you yelled that there is a giant grizzly bear behind you and they went, what?
		And you were like, it is a gigantic beast.
		It's covered in hair.
		It's got big teeth.
		And like, oh, you believe in the furry bear.
		Oh, I don't believe you.
		And you're like, I am warning you.
		But let's jump to this.
		This was big news today.
		I want to jump to this story.
		We'll get this one in from the Post Millennial.
		RFK Jr. to eliminate artificial dyes in food and medicines by 2026.
		So this is funny because West Virginia tried pushing it to 2028.
		They passed a ban in the state saying by 2028, no more artificial dyes.
		It's a three-year lead time.
		RFK just steps up and goes, no, actually, just one year.
		Get it done now, everyone.
		And I am 100% for it.
		So RFK Jr.
		And FDA Commissioner Marty McCary announced Tuesday that petroleum-based synthetic dyes will be eliminated from medications and the nation's food supply by the end of 2026, about a year and a half.
		This includes those found in candy soft drinks, desserts, breakfast cereals, and jams.
		The agency said it would set a standard and deadline for the industry to transition to natural alternatives and take action to remove remaining colors from the market.
		The FDA intends to revoke authorization for dyes that are not in production within the coming weeks.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Nice. Epic!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, Michael Malice.
		You know, we were talking to Michael about it and he's like, why should they do this?
		I want my petroleum dyes.
		I'm like, well, our exertion of power has exceeded yours.
		So now we get to ban artificial food dyes.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I noticed on the list of dyes that they're banning is Yellow Dye No.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		5, which if you're a diehard fan, you remember the cop said that was one of the ingredients in the Twinkies that he was eating.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Great movie.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely great movie.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		But I'm totally on board with this.
		I've got a lot of libertarian tendencies, but this is one that's long overdue.
		We've got so much garbage in our food supply.
		And related...
		The federal government is in charge of the nutritional dietary guidelines, and those guidelines dictate what our kids eat in schools.
		And that is a political process.
		That is not a scientific process where they decide what's good or bad.
		Potatoes are okay because the Idaho senator said they're okay.
		And they go through all the lists.
		It's a corrupt...
		And years and years and years and years of that corruption led to all this garbage in our food.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep. That's the libertarian challenge is they say people can buy what they want to buy.
		And I'm like, look, man, if people if a guy walks up to someone and says, buy this smoothie, but it's turpentine and they die, what does our society do?
		Well, libertarians would largely argue like, well, you killed him.
		And it's like, OK, what if he puts only a little bit of turpentine in it?
		Now they're not going to they're only going to slowly die.
		No, no, you're still...
		Okay, where's the line?
		Right? These petroleum-based chemicals are reportedly connected to a whole bunch of chronic illnesses, and that's causing us serious problems.
		In fact, RFKJ is putting us in the poorhouse.
		It's costing us around $1.6 billion.
		I think it's a billion per year, or was it more?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In medical costs.
		Yeah, he says ADHD, obesity, diabetes, insulin resistance, cancer, genomic disruption.
		Jeez. When we talked to RFK at the Libertarian National Convention,
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		the question that I had for him was about mandatory spending and about the unfunded liabilities.
		And his answer was, well, you know, we're going to fix the food.
		And at the time, I was like, I don't know if that's going to fix the problem.
		There's a whole lot.
		But at the same time, there is value to the idea that if our major food producers are making things that actually make us sick, and there's no question that there's a massive increase in early-onset diabetes,
		there's a massive increase in obesity.
		Now, it's not just the food that we eat, because people have a much more sedentary lifestyle now.
		But if there are things in the food that we eat that are making us sick...
		I think that it's okay if the government says, hey, get those things out.
		And if it helps lower the cost of health care for people when they become older, then hey, that's a good thing.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		And this is my conspiracy theorist hat on, but I also think it's realist, is that think of the turtles all the way down here, which is the FDA is contemplating whether...
		And I'm talking years ago, is contemplating whether yellow dye number five makes sense.
		Well, we cannot approve yellow dye number five without scientific evidence.
		The food industry gets a bunch of scientists together, writes a paper, says yellow dye number five is just fine.
		And then it gets approved.
		And then do they get legal immunity?
		Protection because the FDA, so then they're not even legally liable for it if you get sick.
		There's no funding for scientific studies to question whether it's bad.
		So the libertarian argument is almost on our side here, which is that the government's tentacles are so deep into this that getting them out of it is the correct move here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I realized something because...
		I was scrolling through Instagram, as I often do, and there was a clip from The Founder, and it was where Michael Keaton, playing Ray Kroc, he orders food at the drive-thru, and then they bring it to him, and he's like, I ordered barbecue beef!
		Then it shows him walking up to the very first McDonald's, and he says, I'll take a hamburger, and they hand it to him, and he goes, what's this?
		And they're like, your food?
		He says, no, no, I just ordered.
		And they're like, and it's here.
		And he was shocked.
		What I realized is fast food doesn't exist anymore.
		What we have now are chemically processed garbage factories.
		The first McDonald's, they were grilling real burgers.
		And when you walked up, it was actually a real restaurant quality burger, but they just made it very quickly because they were doing an assembly line.
		Now McDonald's has turned into processed sludge that doesn't decay.
		All of them are.
		I don't even know what Taco Bell is.
		It's delicious, by the way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so the idea that there are diners and there's fast food, when you're watching that movie, there were diners, like a drive-in or a diner, and it took 20 minutes, and then there was the fast food revolution,
		which he discovers at McDonald's, where he was like, this is the best burger I've ever had.
		I gotta tell you, McDonald's burgers and fries are disgusting, and...
		You know, I know a lot of people might be like, I like them.
		Yeah, but you'd know you'd like a smash burger from, like if you go to a higher-end casual dining place where they got a $15 smash burger with real ingredients, I know you like that more.
		That's how it kind of used to be.
		We just don't have fast food anymore?
		I guess Chipotle, maybe?
unidentified		We were talking about this on the way here.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Well, just think about McDonald's.
		They used to fry their french fries in tallow, but then the federal government comes in with Title I subsidies for corn, which makes the seed oils.
		And makes it ridiculously cheap.
		So if you're McDonald's, why would you not swap out tallow for vegetable oil and save money on the bottom line?
		So it's just the government inserting their tentacles again to make us sick.
unidentified		With our own money.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		With our own money.
unidentified		But we were talking about on the way here.
		You asked me what's the best barbecue restaurant in Charleston.
		You know, Charleston, South Carolina is where I'm at and famous for good food.
		And I mentioned Louis Barbecue, and it's so good that they fry their french fries in the drippings of the brisket.
		Nice. And they collect that.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		That's real food.
unidentified		That's real food.
unidentified		Exactly. Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's extremely good.
		Look, I mean, I personally am still a fan of McDonald's fries.
		I think that's the only thing.
		Like, after they stop serving breakfast, I think the only thing worth going to McDonald's for anymore is the fries.
		And I won't go make a special trip to McDonald's for the fries.
		But yeah, the idea that they should have the government tell them what they must, what actual food products they must use, I'm not so sure that that's actually the proper course of action.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		We need to figure out a way to have a counter that tells you how long you're going to live.
		And when you go run a mile...
		It doesn't drop down.
		And when you eat a french fry from McDonald's, does it drop a day?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What does Taco Bell do?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I gotta tell you.
		I bought this watch.
		I bought this watch.
		And when I go to sleep, it tracks my health metrics.
		And I also have this bed, the Sleep 8 bed.
		It's amazing, by the way.
		They didn't sponsor us, but I would love it if they did.
		It's a bed where you put water in this thing, and it can cool and heat your bed, but it also tracks your sleep.
		Have a single beer.
		One. Yeah.
		Go to sleep.
		Wake up in the morning and check your health stats.
		And it says, you're dying.
		And it's crazy.
		No joke, I go out to eat with my wife, and I'm like, I'll get a single glass of red wine, because I say red wine's not bad.
		I go to bed, I wake up, and it's like, recovery is 20%, sleep score is 37, your breath rate was bad, and it says, you may be getting sick.
		Something is wrong or you're drinking alcohol.
		And I'm like, wow.
		I was like, none.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I've got the Oura Ring.
		And the very first app I open up in the morning is to check my sleep score.
		And the one thing that I care about most is how much time I spend in deep sleep.
		Because when you're in deep sleep, that's when your body scrapes all the plaque in your brain and gets rid of it so you don't get Alzheimer's and dementia.
		Diabetes and stuff like that.
		And you're exactly right.
		You have one drink and your deep sleep just crashes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just recovery and everything is just gone.
		Yeah. It's like you're very sick.
		And you are.
		You drink poison.
		So since then I've been like, I ain't touching any of that stuff.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		The best sleep I ever had was last summer and I remember it clearly.
		I didn't spend any time on my phone.
		At night, I ate a normal meal.
		I didn't stay inside.
		I went outside by a fire pit, looked at the fire, talked with friends, went to bed.
		I was dead for 10 hours.
		It was the best sleep I ever had.
		And it was all just normal human things that we did 10,000 years ago.
unidentified		Man. I'd be curious, though, to see what the stats are between Europe, like Italy, where they drink wine with every meal, versus here.
		Like their Alzheimer rates and dementia rates.
		If it's the alcohol or if it's all the other...
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't have the crap in the food.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's the garbage.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		But they don't have the crap in the food like we do.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		We have about 10,000 chemicals, chemical additives, and they only have about 400 to 410 over in the EU.
		So we've got a lot more than them.
		A lot more slop in our stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friends, we're going to go to your chats.
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		And I'm sure there are many questions.
		Evan for us says any way we could communicate with Trump and his team about what we can do about Trump cutting funding to Alzheimer's and dementia research or is there more to it?
		Well, I think there's always more to it.
		I think the issue is largely that they're, and correct me if I'm wrong, just probably blanket cutting all these research grants, regardless of where they're going to.
		Everybody's going to want their project to get funded.
		But I got to tell you, as most of you probably know, when you're cutting budgets, you keep going over it.
		You're like, I can't cut that.
		I can't cut that.
		And then you're like, Gotta cut something.
		Maybe a little bit from everything.
		Or else what do you do?
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		It's like hoarding or not hoarding.
		Like I've moved recently.
		Do I want to throw this out?
		Do I want to throw that out?
		You gotta throw everything out.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that the process of funding research like that is as pristine as people think.
		It's more complicated than that.
		You've got...
		You know, Anthony Fauci type folks who are in charge of that funding.
		And that funding goes to woke universities like Harvard who, you know, spend 30% of that on actual research and the rest on administrative expenses.
		And so it's not only wasteful, but it's also political on what gets funded and what doesn't.
		I mean, it's pure Soviet Politburo top-down central planning.
		Like, the most worthy research doesn't necessarily get funded.
		So the whole thing's corrupt.
		I get rid of it tomorrow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. Twas ever thus says, I was so proud of you today, Tim.
		You and Elad, Timcast, ruled the day.
		I really do appreciate it.
		Elad got some pretty good questions in.
		He went for the normal questions, just straightforward.
		I think he got two for Carolyn Levitt, and he got one for Trump.
		Yeah, he asked Trump if, and this is interesting.
		Because Trump's got to be careful with his words.
		Ilad asked him if the Trump administration would allow Hamas to control the Gaza Strip post-war, or he's essentially said, will Hamas need to be removed for a ceasefire to actually happen?
		And Trump said something to, I think he said, we're not going to let Hamas do that, and we're looking in to see how it goes, which sort of insinuated he was saying Hamas will be removed from Gaza.
		So it's interesting.
		So I think Elad did a good job.
		Whether you're for or against it, you know, the fact of the matter is Trump made that statement.
		But I'm sure they'll say, no, no, no, he was saying we're going to wait and see.
		So he didn't give a definitive answer.
		Still, it's rad that we've got Elad in the White House in the press pool asking questions.
		Boy, was the media really salty about that.
		Numerous times now, they keep complaining.
		You know what I said to these people?
		Elad has been nothing but professional.
		He's not gone in there and insulted and disparaged people.
		He's just asked questions, and they keep deriding him.
		I'm like, this guy didn't do anything.
		He's just asking questions.
		These people are threatened by their cabal being stripped from their authority.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, look, like the, like, what's her name last night, Tara was saying, it is true that a significant portion of the, you know, legacy media are actually there for access.
		They're there because they want to be around the people that make the calls, that make policy, because it's better than money, because if you can have...
		If you have the chief of staff's number and you can call the chief of staff and say, hey, can you help me get this guy on the phone?
		Or, hey, can you help get this blah, blah, blah?
		It's better than money.
		The point of money is to be able to affect reality, right?
		Affect the world around you.
		Otherwise, the money has no value.
		If you're not using it to do things, it's just paper.
		So why have the money, which you have to worry about taxes, you have to worry about, you know...
		Questions of legality, of illicit payments or whatever, why not just have the chief of staff's phone number and you can call and say, hey, do you know anyone over at this location?
		Can you call them and get this done?
		If you can do that, it's better than money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. Jacob Bolley says, Jackson, the court's president, what is it?
		Do it restore constitutional powers to the executive branch and the people.
		We need FDR-style republicanism.
		The GOP must use state power while they have it full speed.
		Indeed. Pinochet says, Tim, I can't read that.
		But he basically said I was very disrespectful to the media, and we agree.
unidentified		Justifiably so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he said something much worse.
		We'll read it in the uncensored portion of the show.
		Three Star Perfect Deer says, still waiting on the Epstein list.
		So I sat down with, as I mentioned earlier, Secretary of DHS, Chrissy Noem, Sebastian Gorka, as well as Secretary Duffy.
		And we're probably going to roll out the interview with Kristi Noem tomorrow during the Our Rumble live show.
		Gorka on Thursday.
		And then with Secretary Duffy on Monday.
		They all have a, you know, with all due respect to the individuals we interviewed, the cabinet members, I don't want this to sound in any way disrespectful, but we sort of weighed them in terms of newsworthiness.
		So I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way.
		I think the conversation with Sean Duffy was the most fun, but it's kind of evergreen.
		We discussed planes, DEI, drones, UAPs, and things like this.
		He did make some interesting statements, which I think may get clipped, about seeing videos of UAPs going in and out of water and things like this, which I thought were fascinating.
		But with Secretary Noem, we discussed the more pressing stuff, the border.
		Gorka, however...
		I mean, this guy knows how to talk.
		He's a radio guy.
		He's a podcaster himself.
		And so we had a much longer conversation.
		In terms of the Epstein list, Cash and Dan, and we will put this out.
		He basically said, give us time.
		It's been three months.
		We just got here.
		There's so much paperwork.
		There's so much you've got to do to get these things to happen.
		But he very much said, rest assured, we are doing what you're hoping we're going to do.
		And I told him, I'm not going to be impatient.
		I have faith in Cash and Dan.
		I could not imagine a scenario where Dan Bongino walks away from the biggest live show in the country, tens of millions of dollars, for a low six-figure public service job, and then just doesn't get the job done.
		That's not going to happen.
		So I'm very optimistic.
		I can understand the frustrations as well, though.
		Me, I'm just...
		Cash Dan and Pam, I give them all of my benefit of the doubt.
		All of it.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		We were kind of spoiled by the first...
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Month or two of the presidency when all the Doge stuff was going on.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Going so hard.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		But every day was just so awesome.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		And rightfully so, maybe needed to scale back just the brazenness of it.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		But I hope they do just put the pedal to the metal and start doing that kind of stuff again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Real Hydro says narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition characterized by a persistent pattern of grandiosity and a need for admiration.
		I mean, this explains the corporate press.
		Exactly. All of those people sitting in that room, many of them are there specifically for the purpose of getting their viral clip just to yell at the press secretary and then say, see, I yelled at the president.
		And in doing so, they will lie and misinform the public.
unidentified		Is this why the press and establishment politicians get along so well?
		Because they have the same goals.
		Narcissistic, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was that clip, I don't know if you guys saw it from Jordan Peterson on Rogan, where he said psychopaths are taking over the right.
		And it's like, yeah, I'm just going to say it.
		We all know that Jordan Peterson disparaged Candace Owens.
		So it's kind of obvious he's referring to at least her.
		But I tweeted this, who is he talking about?
		Because taking over the right?
		If he's got beef with Candace Owens, you should just...
		Probably say that you're beefing with one other personality for her views or whatever your criticism is.
		But she's just one person.
		She's got a big show.
		She's one person.
		Like, who are these psychopaths on the right that are taking over?
		I'm genuinely curious.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if he was also referring to Andrew Tate because of his daughter's association with him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I don't view Tate as taking over the right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tate occupies his own specific space.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not, but like I said, I think that's probably who he was referring to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got to be honest.
		I think the effectiveness of what he was saying was completely wiped away by him not giving specifics of behaviors and individuals.
		I understand why he doesn't want to come on Joe's show and specifically say, you know, Candace Owen is a Pharisee and blah, blah, blah.
		Like, he tweeted that.
		But I kind of feel like if you're trying to say, look at a specific behavior I'm criticizing, when you don't name the person, it just kind of sounds like you're sub...
		Tweeting them, you know?
		You're just trying to insult them without actually saying their name.
		I don't understand what he's trying to say, to be honest.
		He mentioned James Lindsay in the woke right idea, which is completely nonsensical.
		So I don't know what he's talking about other than there are people on the right I personally don't like.
		And I'm like, okay.
		Me too, I guess.
unidentified		Say that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right. So it seems like he's applying this to a grandiosity.
		Like, oh, it's because psychopaths are taking over because they exist.
		And I'm like...
		I mean, if your point is that psychopaths exist in all facets, and the right has some too, I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that.
		But I don't know who or what behaviors you're talking about.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		I can't think of anyone that has blown up recently or gotten super bigger in the last couple months that has taken over the right.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		That's not already been there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Candace isn't taking over the right.
		She's had a big show forever.
		She's doing very well, right?
		She's been growing.
		But she's had skyrocketing growth forever.
		She sat down with celebrities and she was interviewing Ye back in the day before Ye went on this arc.
		You know what I mean?
		I think she's been on a path of success for the past five years.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Arc is an interesting way to describe it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I think?
		I think...
		Here's what I think happened with Ye.
		He was talking seriously about the 13th Amendment.
		And he said, we've got to...
		I'm paraphrasing, but something like, we've got to repeal the 13th Amendment.
		His point in the greater context was they never banned slavery.
		They codified it in the Constitution, which actually states in the 13th, it doesn't say slavery is banned.
		It says slavery is allowed if you're convicted of a crime and any crime, meaning somebody who jaywalks can then be put forced into slavery.
		He was saying we need to get rid of that.
		The media then lied and flipped the narrative and said he wanted slavery back.
		I think he saw that and he probably went, they're all liars.
		And so when he dresses up in a black Klan outfit, the things he's done and things he said, I think he's trying to just basically say, you're all liars.
		No matter what I do, you're going to make it up.
		So I'm going to put on a show and I'm going to mess with the system.
		I think that's largely what it is.
		I can understand why people are upset with him, though, for sure.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		He's definitely messing with the system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. What do we got here?
		The Dude Abide says, be watchful of Illinois' governor.
		It's heavily speculated J.B. Pritzker is going to run for POTUS in 2028.
		He's got billions to spend on an election.
		He's got a scandal for exceeding the donation amount of two Illinois Supreme Court judges.
unidentified		Interesting. First of all, J.B. Pritzker's not running anywhere.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Touche. We have an Illinois Freedom Caucus that routinely spars with him, and what's interesting about him is that he is not...
		Trying to moderate to the center like Gavin Newsom is or Josh Shapiro or even Westmore in Maryland.
		So he may have a lot of money, but like you said, Phil, they spent a lot of money the last election and it didn't do anything.
		And we'll see.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think it really depends on the economy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Grabber Strategy says they're called slabs, student loan asset-backed securities.
		Yikes. Rough.
		D. Scott says, Tim, if or when you meet with President Trump again, throw everyone off and wear a toupee with a suit.
unidentified		Maybe. It actually would be hilarious.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		It would be.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You pull off the beanie, full head of hair.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just long flowing locks.
unidentified		Yeah, it'd be great.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It'd be great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shane H. Wilder says, kids will eat it up, this AI slop, because it's a cartoon, all while destroying their brains.
		It's an easy way to make mind-numb automatons at wholesale prices.
		Creepy. I'm In Disguise says, you gotta remember, the people who are making these videos are almost certainly from poor countries.
		500 to 600 USD is probably how much they would make in a year with a regular job.
		Indeed. One of the videos we looked at that was not AI slop, it was regular slop, was an Indian family doing these four or five second slop videos.
		And it's...
		I'm so offended by this stuff because they're attacking Americans with this and they don't care because they make money.
		And so it's a video.
		There was one video where like a guy takes candy from a little girl and then she gets up her chair and then he sits down and starts eating the candy and then it's just stupid sound effects and it's over.
		And it's got, you know, I don't know, millions of views or whatever.
		So for these people, it's like, I mean, 500 bucks is the equivalent of probably 5,000 for you or more.
		And they're like, I'm rich.
		And all they have to do is trick American kids into melting and frying their brains.
		But I largely blame YouTube.
		YouTube's too busy censoring channels like mine and other personalities to deal with the actual manipulation from foreign governments and countries that are trying to fry the brains of our children.
		And unless there's some enforcement action against them, they don't care.
		You know, Alcigate went on for, I think, years.
		It got so bad that it turned into AI-generated videos.
		I shouldn't say AI, but it's old school, of children eating feces out of toilets.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, one of the things that people don't or people may not think about when it comes to, you know, getting the government to step in with something like YouTube or with Spotify.
		Specifically, that's the context that I was thinking of or I thought of prior.
		You can't get these companies to comply with the federal government when they can say, well, then we just won't.
		We won't be available in your country because there's only 330 million Americans.
		There's a billion Indians, and there's a billion Chinese.
		So if we cater to India and China, we'll more than make up for anything that we can get from the United States.
		So we don't need to comply with you, with these rules that you make, if they conflict with the rules that China wants us to have or that India wants us to have.
		The market is just vastly bigger, and it's really tough to get.
		Any kind of government sanction to stick to companies when they can do that kind of stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		KO777 says, The millions of views on these insane videos just proves dead internet theory.
		That's why YouTube hates it.
		It proves their views are bots.
		I don't think they're bots.
		What we saw in Elsagate is parents would give a tablet to a baby and press play on a video and then leave.
		And it would start with a normal nursery rhyme video.
		Then it would start cycling through autoplay.
		And eventually turn into psychotic deranged content.
		There were videos of children, like I mentioned, eating feces.
		There was amputations.
		There were injections.
		Just really horrifying, brutal stuff.
		And then because it started going viral, human beings in poorer countries started making videos of injecting children and stuff like this.
		Gross. There was one video with like 10 million views and it was a guy giving a saline injection to his like...
		10-year-old daughter while she screamed and cried.
		It's insane.
		But they were promoting it, and babies can't change the channel.
		All the comments were gibberish.
		So it was this weird conspiracy.
		People were trying to figure out why all these gibberish comments, because the babies were just smacking the screen.
		It was random.
		That's creepy, man, right?
		Yeah. All right, let's grab some more.
		All right.
		Andrew SA says, Phil, you effing nailed it, brother.
		I pray you all have your road to Damascus moment.
		Truly, Christ is risen.
unidentified		Cheers, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Interesting. Yeah.
		Forced danger says, nobody knows God exists.
		People have faith.
		Faith is the hope.
		It is this way on purpose.
		If God gave us proof, we wouldn't need faith.
		Bible said your faith will be tested, not your knowledge.
		I understand what you're saying, but that's why I said I believe there are some people that don't.
		Have that perception.
		Someone chatted that I was arrogant for saying that.
		All I can say is that, in my head, I have a perception, much like I see things to be true, that God is true.
		I don't know what other people have, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with anybody.
		I'm saying, me?
		It's just kind of like, yes, there is a God.
		Try to explain to somebody, I guess, I don't know.
		Some people just don't have it.
		Yeah. All right, Kate says, Tim, my student loans were transferred to another company.
		They were zeroed out, then reappeared on my credit.
		High probability, Phil's comment is true, that they repackaged these loans into securities.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Interesting. Scary stuff, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Scary stuff.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Who owns those loans is what I'm interested in.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, BlackRock.
		Yeah. You know?
		BlackRock, whatever, I forget the name.
		Vanguard. Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		TheTruthA says California is trying to ban Glocks with AB1127 because of the illegal use of Glock switches.
		This is a direct violation of SCOTUS ruling.
		When are the feds going to finally arrest these scumbags?
		Never? You know, there's only so many people in the DOJ.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		And there's only so many U-Hauls that are going to keep going out of California into the other states.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Keep it going.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jimmy says, actually, they're talking about bringing back the gold standard.
		You peg the dollar to gold and then reset gold price to 100,000 per troy ounce.
		The U.S.'s 8,000 tons.
		do the math.
unidentified		Yeah, I brought that up to, well, it's actually passed the House and the Senate a few years ago, 2012 in South Carolina for gold and silver to be legal tender and take the taxes off.
		And I brought this up a couple of years last year in the budget and the response I got from the House leadership was,
		This guy puts a tinfoil hat on his head and comes up to the well and just mocks the whole idea that gold and silver...
		This is on the floor of the House with a tinfoil hat on.
		Now he's the chairman of the Rules Committee.
		The idea that gold could be money.
		How crazy we are.
		He's a Republican, by the way.
		Unreal. We're crazy nutcases.
		Gold's $3,400 an ounce.
		I think it was what it hit yesterday.
		Yeah. Yeah, 3,500.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It hit 35 and then it actually...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's at 33.91.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Jeez.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yesterday it hit 35 and then that was kind of the ceiling and now it's 33.80 or whatever, yeah.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Back to your question of what do you buy, antiseptics, the more comprehensive answer is buy hard assets.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Buy gold, buy silver, buy Bitcoin, buy real estate, buy land.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not in a total collapse.
		In a depression?
		And in an economic crisis, you want gold, silver, Bitcoin, and copper even.
		In a total collapse, those things are just going to weigh you down.
		They won't do you anything.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Land won't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gold and silver won't either.
		If we have total collapse, and I had a big old pile of beef, and you came to me and tried to give me gold for it, I'd look to Raymond.
		Raymond's got a bottle of water.
		I said, I'll take the water.
unidentified		Total collapse, that chart showing the increased Christianity, that's where that kicks in.
		Oh, yeah.
		Sincerely. I mean, we stop relying on the government and we start relying on communities more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, it'll be interesting.
		If there was a total collapse, the first thing people are going to do, they're going to secure a bat cave so they can get their saltpeter or potassium nitrate or something.
		You want the bat crap so you can make gunpowder.
		So if you've got the bat cave, then you need sulfur, I guess.
		Charcoal? Mm-hmm.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, bullets are cheap and easy now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm probably wrong on what's in it.
		I don't know.
		I don't think it's potassium nitrate.
		I'm probably wrong about that.
		Whatever. I've only seen the episode of Dr. Stone one time, so I forgot.
		All right.
		Pile of Kyle says, Christianity, whether you agree or not, is a great moral structure and foundation.
		As are now non-existent youth programs as are now non-existent youth programs like the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, 4-H, etc.
		I'm a proud Eagle Scout, but they lost their way.
unidentified		Yep. They sure did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brian Rich asks me to describe the God that I believe in.
		I think that's particularly difficult to do in negative 30 seconds.
		So maybe we can talk a bit about it in the uncensored members-only portion of the show.
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		Gentlemen, do you want to shout anything out?
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thanks for having me.
		Your listeners can find me on Twitter at Andy Roth.
		That's A-N-D-Y-R-O-T-H.
		And the organization I run, the State Freedom Caucus Network.
		You can find us at statefreedomcaucus.org.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm on X or Twitter at J. Scott Pace.
unidentified		And you can follow the South Carolina Freedom Caucus at SouthCarolinaFreedom.com or find me at JordanPace.com.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Hey guys, it's Raymond at...
		I'm an ex, Raymond G. Stanley Jr., an ex.
		I wanted to shout out.
		One of our very first shout outs here on the show was for someone making a comic from our Discord members.
		His comic has just come out if you want to promote him.
		His name is Salty Draws.
		Oh, I love that.
		It just came out.
		It was the very first promotion here on the show for our Discord members, so get it.
		It just came out.
		Brand new if you like comics.
		Rock and roll.
		The name is Salty Draws on X. Phil.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
		I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
		The band is All That Remains.
		You can check us out on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, and Deezer.
		New record's called Antifragile.
		It dropped on January 31st.
		Go check that out, and don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One last shout-out.
		The Truth A says Tim never had an In-N-Out burger.
		The best fast-food burger is out there, and they are switching to beef tallow for their fries.
		I'll give you that one.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		You've never had any of them yet?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay. I'm saying they're good.
raymond g stanley-jr ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gotcha, gotcha.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right on.
		All right, we'll see you guys over at rumble.com slash timcastirl in about 30 seconds.
		Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified		for hanging out.
unidentified		out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		Are we going to spend the first ten minutes for the Uncensored talking about God?
		Because someone asked.
		Let me start by reading the comment I couldn't read.
		And let me see if I can find it.
		Pinochet says, Tim literally called up the media to their faces, then dropped his testes into their lattes and made them sip.
		Uncensored portion of the show, by the way.
		I don't know how easy it is for me to describe the god that I believe in, but I believe it is very simple in, as Michael Knowles explained it, as the logos of the universe.
		And that's probably easy.
unidentified		Right? Like logos, the Greek concept of logos?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is the grand logic of all things.
		It is the...
		I don't know.
		It's... It's kind of difficult to describe.
		It's like someone, like, describe yellow.
		You know what I mean?
		That's why I equate it to colors.
		In my mind, in my experience, in the things that I've seen, there is kind of a, there's a perception of the existence of God.
unidentified		Like a deistic?
unidentified		Like a, like deism in the classroom?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The problem with deism is that they believe God does not intervene.
		Right. So it is interesting that that's where people usually go, but I don't know if there's a word for, you know, I believe in God.
		And I'm a fan of the Christian moral tradition.
		But I do not believe in Jesus Christ.
		I believe he's a real person.
		I believe all of that stuff happened.
		But Mary pointed this out.
		She was like, I guess the question just is, do you believe in the resurrection?
		And I said, no.
unidentified		Why not?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have no evidence to believe that it's true.
		I believe there's a God.
		I believe Jesus existed.
		But I don't just believe that he resurrected, I guess.
		Or that he was the Messiah or the Son of God.
		I think he was preaching good things, and from all of that came a tremendous great moral tradition.
		But I don't know, you know?
unidentified		Are you familiar with C.S. Lewis' kind of three-part conundrum about Jesus either being a liar, a lunatic, or telling the truth?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I believe I've heard this a long time ago, but refresh my memory.
unidentified		Basically, his premise is, you know...
		Basically, the premise is, as C.S. Lewis said, if you take at face value the things that Jesus is quoted as saying in the Gospels, he describes himself as both God and the Son of God and references all these prophecies in the Old Testament.
		And he does teach a lot of good things like love your neighbor and the Beatitudes in Matthew 5, 6, 7. But he also says things that...
		Where he claims to be God.
		So either he's lying about being God, or he was a lunatic, like he thought he was God, but he wasn't, or he was telling the truth, and he actually is.
		And this is based on the premise that you actually believe the things in the Bible that he actually said these things.
		So that's kind of the situation that C.S. Lewis confronted in the 1930s and 40s of...
		It was a pretty common occurrence.
		G.K. Chesterton kind of tackled this, too, of liking a lot of the ramifications of Christianity, but not dealing with, like, well, the guy who started it said he was God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. But I don't see a correlation.
		I tell the story that I grew up Catholic.
		My family left the church.
		I guess the church offended our family and called us non-parishioners, and we went to church all the time, and we fundraised for them.
		So not that my mom ever—
		I don't know my dad's current beliefs.
		My mom is still very much church-going and stuff.
		But for me, as soon as I left, it was like, you're in an urban liberal environment.
		You're out.
		You're out.
		The private school I went to, Catholic school, did nothing to actually answer any questions I had.
		I do feel that...
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		As a Catholic, I can say that Catholic schools are horrible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's unfortunate.
andrew roth ▲ ● ▼		It's basically a public school with a Bible class.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was...
		It was good, but bad at teaching religion.
		So it was much, much better than the public schools in the area.
		But they didn't answer any questions ever.
		And so they just, they intentionally made the religion ridiculous.
		They showed us a video where Adam was riding a brontosaurus.
		I'm not exaggerating.
		To explain the dinosaurs, they showed us a video where Adam was riding a brontosaurus.
		And they explained that when Noah's Ark happened, the dinosaurs were simply too big.
		And the unicorns were too rambunctious.
		I'm not kidding.
unidentified		The unicorns?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The unicorns were running around and playing and refused to get on the Ark.
		And the dinosaurs were just too large.
		This is the kind of garbage they gave us.
		And then my parents were like, unicorns aren't real.
		And I was like, so they're lying to me?
		And then I'm like, this is bullshit.
		But when I was older, I met a guy who had a picture of Jesus on his wall.
		And so this is my angsty 18-year-old atheist phase.
		And I scoffed and I was like, what are you, like a Christian or something?
		He's like, nah.
		And I was like, then why do you have Jesus on your wall?
		And he was like, I don't know, I just thought it was cool.
		It was a story about a guy who went around helping people.
		And I was like, that's actually a really good point.
		I was like, I had this, that was when I realized I had this kind of emotional disdain that didn't actually attach to the man himself, but to the community that I felt was...
		Like, growing up, the people who told me these things, that's who I had a problem with.
		The people I felt weren't answering my questions, not the man himself and the story and the tradition and the history.
unidentified		You sound like Martin Luther.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that what happened earlier?

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