April 22, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| So four more Democrats are flying down to El Salvador and this is not good news. | ||
| Already Democrat Senator Chris Van Hollen is backing away from his support of Abrego Garcia saying he's not vouching for the guy. | ||
| He's just concerned about due process. | ||
| Despite the fact that previously the dude almost referred to the guy as an American. | ||
| That's how insane they've been getting. | ||
| This story is eating Democrats up because most Americans don't want illegal immigrants here and they want them deported. | ||
| Now you can take a look at CNN. | ||
| You can take a look at Echelon Insights. | ||
| But we got a poll from Pew, 83% of Americans want deportations. | ||
| Not all, but at least to a degree, right? | ||
| So you'd argue, when you're talking about who you want deported, how about wife beating MS-13 gang members? | ||
| Is that on your list? | ||
| Probably most Americans are okay with this person being deported. | ||
| So now we're seeing the Democrats try to shift away and the media trying to pick up another story. | ||
| Pete Hegseth. | ||
| He may be getting fired, they claim, in rumors based on one anonymous person, even though Trump said he's not going to fire the guy. | ||
| And they're claiming that there's another signal gate happening with no evidence. | ||
| They are so desperate to get off this story, it seems, they're trying to go back to an old one. | ||
| So we're going to talk about that, plus a bunch of other stories from the day. | ||
| Trump says he's going to start collections on student loans again. | ||
| Sorry, if you didn't get that forgiveness, he's saying no to Biden's plan. | ||
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| Big news. | ||
| It looks like for the Culture War Live events, we've got our lineup set. | ||
| Will Chamberlain versus Pisco Liddy debating the Abrego Garcia case with actual legal documents. | ||
| And this Culture War Live will be May 3rd. | ||
| It's about two weeks from now. | ||
| And y'all will be able to join us on the debate stage. | ||
| I believe we may have one or two tickets left, probably sold out. | ||
| But if you are a member... | ||
| Of the TimCast.com Discord, you can actually submit your view of the debate issue, and we will invite you on stage to join the debate. | ||
| Think Kill Tony meets Jubilee. | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| So we're really excited to announce that. | ||
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| Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Tara Palmieri. | ||
| Hey, Tim. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Yes, who are you? | ||
| It's great to be here in West Virginia. | ||
| I kept thinking of that, like, John Denver song, which I love. | ||
| Who am I? | ||
| I am a journalist that has gone independent. | ||
| I've worked for 15 years everywhere from the Washington Examiner and the New York Post to ABC News where I was a White House correspondent. | ||
| I've been in new media at Puck. | ||
| I spent a year and a half just investigating the Jeffrey Epstein crime and doing podcasts on that. | ||
| I just had a podcast, a political one, on the Ringer Network with Bill Simmons. | ||
| So I've just decided I am going to try to follow your footsteps and try to create. | ||
| A media empire. | ||
| I'm a little minnow next to you, but thanks for having me. | ||
| Tell your boss that you quit. | ||
| I already did it. | ||
| Because you know what? | ||
| Like you, just say, I quit. | ||
| I'm doing it on my own. | ||
| I think you have to bet on yourself in life. | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So thanks for having me. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| It's going to be fun. | ||
| Elad is here. | ||
| Hey everybody, good evening. | ||
| I am Elad Eliyahu, Tim Kass, White House correspondent. | ||
| Tara, I'm really excited to hear from somebody with so much experience in the journalism space, both establishment and now in the new media space. | ||
| And it's just funny seeing the old media people saying they look up to Tim now. | ||
| Crazy how things work. | ||
| But is this confirmed, the press pool for tomorrow? | ||
| It is confirmed. | ||
| You're on it? | ||
| We can announce that? | ||
| I'll be in the pool with Donald Trump and I believe you'll be in the new media seat tomorrow. | ||
| If there is one. | ||
| Are we supposed to say that? | ||
| A briefing. | ||
| If there is one. | ||
| I don't know that we're supposed to say that, are we? | ||
| Well, we don't know if there would... | ||
| How's it going over there? | ||
| Breaking news. | ||
| Is that suit mandatory a lot? | ||
| They're going to take the suit back a lot. | ||
| I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live. | ||
| We go live on YouTube and Rumble every Sunday at 6 o'clock. | ||
| What is up, Phil? | ||
| Hello, everybody. | ||
| My name is Phil Labonte. | ||
| I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. | ||
| I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| Here we go from Media-ites. | ||
| Democrat senator tells Fox News he's not vouching for the man in a Brego Garcia case and will support a court deporting him. | ||
| Now, this is a huge turnaround from a guy who dang near nearly called him an American and then and stopped himself and then called him a resident. | ||
| And with the media screaming to the high heavens, Maryland father, for a Democrat senator who was leading the charge to come out, be like, I'm not vouching for the guy and I'm OK with him being deported now. | ||
| Wow. Talk about a heavy 180. | ||
| Now, the issue for Democrats, Democratic Senator Van Hollen is simply the issue of due process. | ||
| Not the MS-13 gang member accused of mercilessly beating his wife on more than one occasion. | ||
| I think it's fair to say that they walked face first into this one. | ||
| And here's the best part. | ||
| Four more Democrats are going down there. | ||
| I don't know what they're thinking with this. | ||
| We are going to be having a debate in the culture war going over all the legal documents, which I believe shows he's gotten his due process. | ||
| But the American people like, of all of the things Trump has done, immigration is his most popular issue. | ||
| Why are they setting themselves up like this? | ||
| To make me laugh because I needed a good chuckle. | ||
| Democrats are sitting back and they're like, what can we do that'll make Phil laugh today? | ||
| Absolutely. I mean, it's hilarious. | ||
| They're falling over themselves, siding with the worst people that are here. | ||
| Their whole story is irredeemable. | ||
| Like, he's here illegally. | ||
| He's probably a member or he's... | ||
| He's alleged to be a member of a gang, but it's been multiple courts that have said it, I believe. | ||
| And I don't remember what the other person or the other organization that made allegations that he's in a gang, but they're reputable organizations. | ||
| There's his ex-girlfriend has filed charges or at least made claims of abuse. | ||
| Ex-girlfriend did? | ||
| I don't remember if it was his wife. | ||
| Oh, it's his wife. | ||
| Okay, my bad. | ||
| All right, so fair enough, fair enough. | ||
| But this only goes to my point. | ||
| He is totally... | ||
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You're describing the Democrats' favorite voter. | |
| Wait, wait, Shane, Shane, do you want to read the first sentence of that paragraph right there? | ||
| Let me get my old man glasses on. | ||
| Old man glasses, just starting with at. | ||
| At a master calendar hearing, the respondent, through counsel, admitted the factual allegations contained in the NTA and conceded removability as charged. | ||
| Should I keep going? | ||
| Based on the respondent's admissions and concessions, the court found his removability to be established by clear and convincing evidence as required by INA 240C3. | ||
| So this is the document from 2019, August 9th and September 27th, where they again confirmed he was to be removed. | ||
| However, not to El Salvador because a gang in Guatemala was threatening to kill him. | ||
| This is the story. | ||
| A Guatemalan gang was threatening his family, and they didn't feel that they could be protected in El Salvador. | ||
| Now, the question, the only question that needs to be asked based on this is, can he be deported somewhere else? | ||
| The answer is yes, of course. | ||
| And so then the error that the Trump administration made, they were supposed to have a USCIS interview with Abrego Garcia before sending him home. | ||
| And they didn't. | ||
| But on the Alien Enemies Act, he was allowed to do it. | ||
| So, you know, I feel like this horse, I would argue that we've beaten the dead horse on this story, but Democrats won't shut up about it. | ||
| So let me just say we've ground the horse into glue at this point, because I don't know how many times we need to point out that this guy was found deportable, credibly an MS-13 gang member, now accused of beating his wife. | ||
| And I guess I'll put it this way. | ||
| We could have opened this show with the Hegseth signal gate story. | ||
| But we'll get to that. | ||
| Yeah, but it's a big story. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| The second signal gate. | ||
| No. The fake story. | ||
| The story about how the Department of Defense is a total mess. | ||
| I mean, his former spokesperson is saying, you know, on the record that—what exactly did he say? | ||
| A month from hell inside of the Department of Defense? | ||
| That's concerning. | ||
| And this is a guy who worked for Trump in 2016, too. | ||
| This is not just some, like, lefty spokesperson that he inherited from the civil service. | ||
| This is a true MAGA believer who was like— Oh, come on! | ||
| Who else worked for Trump in 2016? | ||
| And there are a number of other people have come out. | ||
| In his 2016 term, 2017. | ||
| Why would he have hired him to be his chief Pentagon spokesperson and lead the communications at the NSA if he didn't believe that this guy was legit? | ||
| Why were there three people leaking information to the press? | ||
| Listen. You've got to take this seriously. | ||
| Allegedly, in the article, was he a chief of staff? | ||
| He was the chief Pentagon spokesperson until two weeks ago. | ||
| Yeah, he wrote an op-ed in Politico where he actually denied the three advisors that they ever leaked anything. | ||
| So I want to add allegedly here because I do feel like lawsuits are coming. | ||
| Good point. | ||
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Allegedly. All of this is very much allegedly. | |
| And all this is also allegedly because they... | ||
| Allegedly leaked documents about attacking Iran to try to preempt and try to prevent the strike by leaking it out there early. | ||
| And that could be a part of the problem at the Pentagon. | ||
| But it is unusual for this guy to be resigning or probably fired and told to resign and then have this happen. | ||
| I don't think we'll see any shakeups there. | ||
| What are your thoughts on the Brego Garcia story then? | ||
| On this story? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It is a hard one because I do think that politically— No, no. | ||
| I think it's politically, you're right, that the immigration story is on Trump's side. | ||
| I mean, he was elected to seal off the border, deportations. | ||
| I think the due process is the part that the Democrats are arguing about. | ||
| Like, they want to make sure that there is due process and obviously the halting. | ||
| This is the guy who was— The hairdresser, right? | ||
| The makeup artist? | ||
| No. It's the wife beating MS-13 gang member. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| All right, then. | ||
| I'm not fully up to date on this one. | ||
| I was... | ||
| The hairdresser's a fake story, too. | ||
| Why is that one fake? | ||
| Because they're not asylum seekers. | ||
| You don't travel from Venezuela through the entirety of Central America, come to the United States and say, now I need asylum. | ||
| You go to Mexico. | ||
| You go to any other country, it's typically expected of any asylum seeker to go to the first safe country they get to. | ||
| So for Venezuela... | ||
| That was supposed to remain in Mexico under Trump. | ||
| Right. So this guy, he's like, Venezuela is dangerous for me. | ||
| I better travel through all these other countries. | ||
| I have no doubt that he tried to get into the U.S. illegally and live here illegally. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah. And then when he went through, it's an executive hearing. | ||
| We call them judges. | ||
| They said his tattoos are MS-13. | ||
| And he got deported to El Salvador. | ||
| To that... | ||
| For MS-13 gang members. | ||
| Yeah, and they confirmed that he is an MS-13 member. | ||
| So he was found to be an MS-13 gang member in the standard procedure by his crown tattoos on his wrists, which the left is arguing are just crowns and they're not MS-13. | ||
| And so I would just say... | ||
| They want him to have due process essentially, right? | ||
| What is the due process of an illegal immigrant? | ||
| I mean, I think that they have the right to immigration court, right? | ||
| And they did. | ||
| And he lost? | ||
| Yes. He is deportable and he had crowns. | ||
| And he lost during the Biden years, right? | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Okay, well, I think that'd be interesting to find out. | ||
| Because, I mean, you might say, oh, the Trump administration has different criteria. | ||
| Listen, I can't really debate this one in the same way because I thought it was the Maryland hairdresser that we were talking about, our makeup artist. | ||
| He was in Maryland, was he? | ||
| Oh, the makeup artist was in California. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But the point is, you're right. | ||
| There's so many illegals that have come over since Joe Biden took office and stuff. | ||
| So there's probably a Maryland hairdresser that's here illegally. | ||
| So you're probably close to Maryland. | ||
| I think I'm conflating it. | ||
| I'm conflating it because, you know, this... | ||
| Yes, some Democrats are doing this, and I do question, I mean, I think there's just a fear that it's happening so quickly and so recklessly and that people are not getting their due process in the process of it, especially when they're saying we're going to support homegrown. | ||
| They are getting their due process. | ||
| Each and every one of them. | ||
| Then why would the judge halt the guy that was being deported to Venezuela? | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Why are you rolling your eyes? | ||
| Okay, so here's a question for you. | ||
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He's still a judge. | |
| Even if he's an activist judge, if you want to say that. | ||
| He's still a judge. | ||
| But Phil gave you a reason. | ||
| It's that they're political activists who are trying to obstruct Trump. | ||
| That's your answer. | ||
| Why has Trump received 40% of all universal, let me phrase, unconstitutional universal injunctions? | ||
| I mean, I think that... | ||
| 81 out of like 200. | ||
| He was definitely pushing the boundaries of the Constitution. | ||
| He tried to get rid of... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The birth... | ||
| Birthright citizenship. | ||
| Yeah, he tried to get rid of that. | ||
| He's definitely... | ||
| He didn't try. | ||
| He is actively doing so now and it's going to court. | ||
| But the point... | ||
| And the point of... | ||
| Birthright citizenship is falsely interpreted and does not exist. | ||
| He is pushing the limits of the Constitution every single day. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| I mean, with that alone. | ||
| But the Constitution says explicitly. | ||
| And also by defying a judge's order, whether you don't agree or not, you should have halted that plane and put the person down and then gone through the process. | ||
| The Supreme Court sided with him on that regard. | ||
| And the appeal. | ||
| The Supreme Court sided with him. | ||
| They allowed him to be deported. | ||
| The Supreme Court said no one can direct the executive branch to engage in foreign policy. | ||
| And so the issue was, should Abrego Garcia be returnable, they should facilitate his return. | ||
| And the argument from the conservatives is, or from Trump, that if he were to try to come back to the U.S., Trump must facilitate that return. | ||
| Otherwise, we have nothing to do with it. | ||
| But then there's just these random guys, like these German tourists that didn't have a booking in Hawaii, and they are suddenly getting deported. | ||
| I just think there's a feeling. | ||
| And then you're seeing students on the street just being muzzled, basically, and deported because of their political activity on universities. | ||
| And that's a little scary. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Why, though? | ||
| I mean, it is because, okay, first of all, you're a free speech guy. | ||
| You were out there, Occupy Wall Street. | ||
| What if you were, like, misidentified and deported and you were an American the entire time? | ||
| Have any Americans been deported? | ||
| It could happen. | ||
| Sure, and if it does, it'll be a problem, but for the time being, all the enforcement's been under the law. | ||
| But even if you're not an American, don't you think that, like, part of the rights of being in this country are free speech? | ||
| Not if you're a leader. | ||
| I don't think, I think it's scary that non-Americans are in our country calling for violence on Yeah, I mean, that's on the universities for sure. | ||
| They should be dealing with that. | ||
| So in the case of Mahmoud Khalil, this is a guy who was organizing, whether it was intentional or otherwise, violent protests where employees were attacked and threatened, buildings were taken over, Jewish students were attacked on campus. | ||
| And even people presumed to be Jewish. | ||
| Did he direct people to attack Jewish people? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| He organized the event. | ||
| So if you organize a dance party, but then your dance party robs a bank, you're getting in trouble for it. | ||
| Yeah. Maybe you're not going to be charged with robbing the bank. | ||
| They're going to say, like, whatever you were involved with. | ||
| Yeah, you're kind of a conspirator. | ||
| I was going to re-go you and you're going to jail. | ||
| I think it's rich how the Democrats have just been speed running through these different causes. | ||
| First, it was Mahmoud Khalil. | ||
| And then they means tested it quickly and realized, oh, wait, this guy isn't good for us. | ||
| Then they moved on to this most recent gang member that they said wasn't. | ||
| And have you seen his tattoos on his knuckles where they're trying to say, like, oh, he is not. | ||
| This isn't supposed to be a simple fool. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| This is standard operating procedure. | ||
| happens on both sides of the aisles. | ||
| They pick their political person that they get behind. | ||
| And if it's either Lake and Riley, now it's Mahutma Khalil. | ||
| I know, but this is cynical political shit that they do. | ||
| It's on both sides. | ||
| I have a problem with the both sides argument. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Why is it cynical? | ||
| It's cynical because this is what they're doing. | ||
| They are taking one person's example and they're blowing it up. | ||
| But he's a legit criminal and we have... | ||
| 20 million or so illegal immigrants. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| I'm going to agree with you 100%. | ||
| Agreed. The conservatives prop up a young woman who was murdered by an illegal immigrant criminal gang member, and the Democrats prop up the criminal illegal immigrant gang member. | ||
| I know which side I'm on. | ||
| It's... Listen. | ||
| Cynical or otherwise, you're right. | ||
| The Republicans are like, this poor woman was murdered by these evil criminal gang members. | ||
| And the Democrats are like, please don't hurt our criminal illegal gang members. | ||
| Listen, I can't really argue on this topic to be completely fair with the topics. | ||
| I'm not going to argue in favor of these people because I don't even know their full history. | ||
| Take the individual specific people out of it. | ||
| Look at the people that the Democrats champion and what tends to happen. | ||
| After all of the information comes out. | ||
| The guy that they were championing that ended up getting... | ||
| What's the town? | ||
| Kenosha. Burnt down. | ||
| The man was trying to kidnap kids. | ||
| He had a knife. | ||
| The police shot him. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Kamala Harris goes and takes a woman. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, he's trying to kidnap kids. | ||
| He insulted them. | ||
| He had a cop. | ||
| It was a quote-unquote good shoot. | ||
| And Kamala Harris goes and takes pictures with him, right? | ||
| And the NFL players put his name on their helmet. | ||
| Yeah, George Floyd had committed a crime, right? | ||
| And he died in police custody. | ||
| I thought it was like a nothing murder. | ||
| He was chewing a speedball behind the wheel of a vehicle. | ||
| Yes. And when the police removed him, they brought him to the vehicle to be arrested. | ||
| You could watch all the body camera footage. | ||
| It's all in the video. | ||
| And he fought them. | ||
| Yeah. And he said, put me on the ground, put me on the ground, put me on the ground. | ||
| So they pulled him out of the vehicle and put him on the ground. | ||
| Did they have to kill him on the ground? | ||
| So let me finish. | ||
| A few minutes later, Derek Chauvin shows up having no idea what's going on. | ||
| And performed what the Minnesota police trained him to do because even the defense showed this in the continuum of force argument in the criminal trial for Chauvin. | ||
| He was told to do that. | ||
| So he shows up. | ||
| There's a guy on the ground. | ||
| He has no idea what's happening. | ||
| They say, do the restraints. | ||
| Okay. So you know how it's bunk? | ||
| The cop who is simply standing in front of people with his hands up, not involved in the Chauvin incident at all, just off to the side, they put him in prison for life. | ||
| Why? They didn't care what was true. | ||
| They just wanted to lock them all up. | ||
| And the Ahmaud Arbery case, that guy, Ahmaud Arbery, he had been, he committed burglary. | ||
| The guys that shot him, they were going to, it was a bad law, an old law that they were following. | ||
| What do you guys want me to say? | ||
| The Democrats pick bad, cynical, political characters to that? | ||
| That's the point they pick a better one. | ||
| But the right is trying to maintain, sustain. | ||
| Safety and order right now. | ||
| And the left promotes violence and chaos. | ||
| The question is, like, when do they overstep the boundaries? | ||
| Well, right now, going back to a lot of saying with speedrunning these different people, is like what we were talking about before the show. | ||
| Democrats are desperate. | ||
| Disarray. Let me have this. | ||
| And things are just happening so fast and furiously, and that's why I think there's a lot of concern. | ||
| And the way it's happening, it's like kind of... | ||
| But we voted for deportations, at least. | ||
| Indeed. I did. | ||
| When we were getting the show ready, I pointed out that we often... | ||
| Without due process, though. | ||
| Due process we just talked about with the illegals. | ||
| I got the court document right here for Abrego Garcia that says he admitted to removability. | ||
| So the question is, did he get, was he warranted a USCIS interview before final deportation? | ||
| The answer is yes, but their argument is, at first we made an error in doing so without checking for this. | ||
| However, under the Alien Enemies Act, we are allowed to get rid of them regardless. | ||
| So, but the point I was going to make a moment ago. | ||
| When we're setting up the show, I was pointing out that we often try to find a prominent individual that represents a core of the story or the parties involved. | ||
| There are no Democrats. | ||
| It was 7.52 we finally got the thumbnail up because I was like, I guess Trump? | ||
| I guess Trump's the only political character who's involved in the news. | ||
| There's Van Hollen, but he's backing away. | ||
| There's no Schumer anymore. | ||
| There's no AOC anymore. | ||
| There's no Kamala. | ||
| There's no Biden. | ||
| There is no Central Democrat Party member. | ||
| And arguably those members that you saw in that picture, even though I'm not fully aware of the story, like they are more from the progressive wing. | ||
| They're not really from the party. | ||
| There's no leadership? | ||
| They don't want to back these. | ||
| They don't want to get involved in this fight because, like you said, they don't know the full story. | ||
| I think Cory Booker was even virtue signaling, at least saying that these deportations were wrong, and specifically on the gang members, too. | ||
| I think, I'm not a usual believer of Trump's 5D chess, but it almost feels like he is baiting Democrats into defending these otherwise. | ||
| It's not 5D chess. | ||
| These otherwise, I mean, because then it always comes out like, oh, they defended this guy. | ||
| They said there was no way he was a gangster. | ||
| His wife covered up his knuckles in all of these pictures because it was obvious that he had MS-13 written on his knuckles, and the Democrats couldn't do their research to find that out before deciding to defend him. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Do you think that Van Hollen and these other four Democrats that are going down to El Salvador are doing so with the intent to influence the foreign government of El Salvador into taking action on their behalf. | ||
| Maybe. I don't know. | ||
| No, because I think the president of El Salvador is so... | ||
| So what do you think the Democrats want if they're not trying to... | ||
| They're trying to draw attention to it. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Have they stated anything about wanting the government to take action? | ||
| Yeah, of course they have. | ||
| So the Democrats have publicly stated they want El Salvador. | ||
| I mean, I haven't read it. | ||
| Like, you're asking me to talk about a story I really don't know that much about. | ||
| I'm just speaking in generalizations. | ||
| But I know... | ||
| Let's just, let's just, let's hear about the quick details. | ||
| This is not a gotcha. | ||
| It's literally, the Democrats, there's now five. | ||
| Have they made requests of the El Salvador government to do something? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anybody? I don't know. | ||
| I haven't read the story. | ||
| I just think they're going down for a photo shoot. | ||
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Yeah. What was the express stated purpose? | |
| To draw attention to it. | ||
| They've actually said what their intention was. | ||
| I don't know, but I'm just... | ||
| Does anybody want to get it? | ||
| Because I know everybody who's listening right now in the audience knows exactly what the Democrats said about this trip. | ||
| I think Van Hollen said that he wanted to have him back. | ||
| The Democrats wanted him to come back to the country. | ||
| All of them said that. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they wanted. | ||
| All of them said that their purpose to go down was to get him back. | ||
| Yep. To get the foreign government to take an action pertaining to U.S. foreign policy, which is a violation of the Logan Act, which specifically states any U.S. citizen, wherever he may be, who without the authority of the U.S. directly or indirectly commences or carries on correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government. | ||
| Or any officer or any agent thereof with the intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof in relation to any disputes or controversies with the U.S. or to defeat the measures of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years. | ||
| Donald Trump explicitly set forth a deal with El Salvador's government pertaining to U.S. foreign policy under the Alien Enemies Act. | ||
| That is the direction and purview of the executive branch, their entitlement, their right under the Constitution. | ||
| These members of Congress are in direct and overt violation of the Logan Act. | ||
| I believe that we need to see some action by the DOJ. | ||
| Yeah. They're trying to do a reverse Elian Gonzalez. | ||
| Lock him up! | ||
| Lock him up. | ||
| Okay, here's the thing. | ||
| So these four Democrats of members of Congress, some of them young, freshman-ish progressives, they go down there and they stage their political... | ||
| You know, photo op, whatever you want to call it. | ||
| The rest of the party, you have like someone like Gavin Newsom saying this is a distraction and they kind of know they're being baited. | ||
| Trump sets the story up every morning. | ||
| He did this for the press. | ||
| When I covered him for the first four years of his administration, he sent out a tweet and he would literally say to his staff, watch the libs. | ||
| I'm going to own the libs today. | ||
| I'm going to overreact. | ||
| So they're starting to think to themselves, maybe we are missing the boat by overreacting. | ||
| This is a distraction. | ||
| We cannot jump onto every single thing that he gives to them. | ||
| They're getting eaten alive. | ||
| Do you think Cory Booker is one of these far-left progressives? | ||
| Yes. He's kind of. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| As far as Democrats go, I think as far as Democrats go, Cory Booker is a moderate. | ||
| Did you hear he came out recently? | ||
| I mean, everybody thought he was gay, but... | ||
| Azaria was set up. | ||
| Like, that was a beard. | ||
| Well, everybody thought Cory Booker was gay, but apparently he was at, like, an event where he was asked by some gay people. | ||
| Like, a trans person. | ||
| And he said something about we, the LGBT community. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It was something like that. | ||
| And then it was glossed over. | ||
| Like, nobody really paid attention that he was saying that he was LGBTQ. | ||
| Just like Barack Obama. | ||
| Are you sure about that one? | ||
| Because I remember seeing that clip online. | ||
| I don't think that he was coming out. | ||
| My point is, he said... | ||
| We in the LGBT community... | ||
| I'm paraphrasing. | ||
| Oh, there's a letter in there. | ||
| A for allies. | ||
| So he may have been... | ||
| There's no A in ally for LGBTQ. | ||
| I think there is LGBTQ. | ||
| It's like A. There's some allies. | ||
| I think A is asexual. | ||
| You guys are killing me. | ||
| Are you for real? | ||
| Wait. There's definitely an ally. | ||
| No, there's not. | ||
| Yes. No, there's not. | ||
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There's something in there. | |
| Wait, but all of that is to say, I don't think, I think you're mischaracterizing the Democrat Party. | ||
| I don't think it's just the far leftist in the party. | ||
| I think Cory Booker is a moderate Democrat, and I think it's wide-ranging throughout the party. | ||
| And I think you might be missing the pulse of what's going on. | ||
| Let's get to the story, you know. | ||
| Let's get to this. | ||
| Let's talk. | ||
| Let's talk. | ||
| We've got this story from NPR. | ||
| The White House is looking to replace Pete Hegseth as defense secretary. | ||
| Okay, that's the story. | ||
| Rapid response says lies from NPR, which we all know is a fake news propaganda machine. | ||
| So the story they've been pushing is that there's a second signal gate. | ||
| Leaguers have been fired. | ||
| And now you've got this op-ed from, this is Politico, former top Pentagon spokesperson details a month from hell inside the agency. | ||
| Now there's a couple arguments here. | ||
| This is a fake news story. | ||
| Hegseth is not going to get fired. | ||
| Trump already spoke in his defense. | ||
| But I'm not sure who was pointing out. | ||
| I don't know if it was Shane earlier about Matt Gaetz. | ||
| Trump also pointed that out. | ||
| Yeah, that Trump kept backing Matt Gaetz until he could no longer. | ||
| Indeed. So maybe there is an argument that Trump is just trying as hard as not to see Hegseth out. | ||
| The other argument from the right is that the deep state... | ||
| Is trying to heavily influence the removal of Hegseth. | ||
| That guy who wrote that op-ed is not the deep state. | ||
| He is a guy that Hegseth hired. | ||
| He's a political staffer. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| John Yulia. | ||
| He is a political staffer. | ||
| He was a senior communications advisor on Trump's 2016 campaign. | ||
| Other people, too. | ||
| They are all politicals. | ||
| They are not deep state. | ||
| Does that mean he's good? | ||
| What does that mean they're not deep state? | ||
| Okay, then if he's such a good manager, why would you hire a guy like that? | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| Why did Trump hire both? | ||
| Well, then, why is Trump hiring Pete Hegseth? | ||
| And it goes up the chain. | ||
| Yes. Trump hired a lot of bad people in his first term, and many people were concerned about the hires that were going to come in in the second term. | ||
| Yeah. He's done a pretty good job, but I'm not surprised to see that the firing margin is a bit lower than what we would have seen in 2016 had he learned his lesson. | ||
| Yeah? I think what's actually going on here is that within the Trump administration, there are rumblings between the more isolationist and the more hawkish camps. | ||
| And this is manifesting right now through the debate on whether or not we should strike Iran preemptively at their nuclear sites. | ||
| So I think some of Hexeth's staffers allegedly leaked out the Iran plans early to the New York Times and other outlets in hopes of trying to help prevent the plan. | ||
| It's really those two sides knifing each other within the administration. | ||
| And then there's also like the Democrat and left media that's taking advantage of these internal conflicts that are going on to try to kind of capitalize it is how I see what's going on right now. | ||
| So that doesn't mean the administration or the Department of Defense is in complete disarray or the Pentagon's in complete disarray. | ||
| I think it's people trying to knife each other in the back. | ||
| More than anything, and want to influence the way the administration goes. | ||
| That doesn't mean Hexf needs to be fired. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised, though, if they are putting this out there themselves. | ||
| But do you understand the context behind... | ||
| To see how it goes. | ||
| Because maybe something big is coming. | ||
| Maybe there are text messages again, like SignalGate, and everybody's going to get it. | ||
| Let me give you the stupidest conspiracy out of all of it. | ||
| If you don't want to go to war with Iran, and the deepsets can try and force your hand, just throw the Pentagon into disarray, and they can't false flag you into one. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| And I did say that was the stupidest conspiracy theory, by the way. | ||
| Yeah. Because, like, you know, right now the concern from the right is that we're going to get forced into a war with Iran. | ||
| We saw the story that Israel was trying to go to the U.S. to join them in a strike. | ||
| The U.S. backed off. | ||
| Trump said no. | ||
| Tulsi Gabbard said don't do it. | ||
| Israel said we're going to maybe do it a little bit anyway. | ||
| If there's some kind of attack or false flag or who knows what. | ||
| If the Pentagon is broken, we're not getting involved in that war anyway. | ||
| So if you had a functional Pentagon, and again, I'm stressing, this is a stupid conspiracy theory, it's probably not true at all, I'm just saying, if a false flag were to happen, we would be publicly pressured into a conflict we don't want to be involved in. | ||
| However, with the Pentagon broken, the response is going to be like, unfortunately, due to the disarray with leadership, we can't formulate a proper response to what happened in the Middle East. | ||
| Can I just say what is probably really happening? | ||
| This is like Veep, okay? | ||
| Have you guys seen Veep, the show? | ||
| It's a fucking disaster in government. | ||
| No one knows what they're doing. | ||
| More likely than not, it is just a bunch of people who have no idea what they are doing. | ||
| This is the one thing libertarians get right. | ||
| You know, did you ever remember that? | ||
| They're not crazy too, though. | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| Do you remember that line? | ||
| I don't know if you remember that line when something happens in Yemen. | ||
| They're like, when life gives you Yemen, you make Yemen-aid. | ||
| And it's like, you can't even make that shit up. | ||
| But this is just like... | ||
| That's only one step away from the misspelled reset button that Clinton took over to Russia. | ||
| So, regarding Iran, the administration has repeatedly said that he cannot allow them to get nuclear weapons. | ||
| So, I think that's why... | ||
| A lot of this stuff is coming to a head now, as I think we're going to see this weekend as well. | ||
| Negotiations continue. | ||
| Whether we'll see them actually go anywhere has yet to be seen. | ||
| I don't think the admin's also going to get rid of Hexeth, because once you get rid of one of these top guys in the administration, one of these secretaries, that means everybody's kind of on ice. | ||
| It's kind of opening the floodgates for other people to be fired. | ||
| Now, hold on, hold on. | ||
| He wasted so much political capital on Hexeth to just throw it away. | ||
| What about a less stupid conspiracy theory that... | ||
| If Hegseth were to be fired, they would get an acting sec def, and that could be anybody Trump wants. | ||
| I mean, I thought Pete Hegseth was... | ||
| Well, also, he's already outlasted Mike Flynn. | ||
| Let's not forget that. | ||
| The National Security Advisor who went out on February 14th, 2017. | ||
| I remember that was a horrible Valentine's Day. | ||
| Well, nobody's been fired yet in the administration. | ||
| None of the higher-ups. | ||
| Oh, is that true? | ||
| Yeah, think of one. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Exactly. Wait a minute. | ||
| So that's why he's trying to keep everything together. | ||
| Because if Pete Hexeth gets fired, other people could be, you know, on the chomping box. | ||
| And they spent like $10 million to get him confirmed. | ||
| He saw it on everybody on his cabinet. | ||
| Also with the Walt story, you could have hypothetically kicked him out from that SignalGate story. | ||
| I mean, if he wanted to get him, if he wanted to get rid of that story really quickly, he could have just booted him out, but he chose to stand by him. | ||
| So I suspect Trump's going to stand by Hexeth throughout all of this. | ||
| I do think it may largely be fake news, specifically because... | ||
| As you were mentioning, I think it was you saying this, that the Democrats are just speedrunning through all these narratives and these individuals trying to latch on to something, and they don't have any strong case against the Trump administration. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| Signalgate was a fucking disaster. | ||
| It did not resonate with a single person. | ||
| Okay, I interviewed Laura Loomer for my podcast, okay? | ||
| Oh, the most you did? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| I just had her on on Thursday, and you may say what you want to say about her, but she's very close to the president. | ||
| She's a very powerful person. | ||
| Anything bad to say about Laura Lee? | ||
| Okay. All right. | ||
| Well, no, she was saying that she's powerful and close to the president. | ||
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She is. | |
| She had an ability to walk in the door and a side door into the Oval Office, and she had the ability to essentially take out six very powerful people in the national security apparatus, overruling Mike Waltz, okay? | ||
| Yeah. And actually, when she showed up in Washington, she told me, and this has never been reported, but she had a video of Mike Waltz from 2016. | ||
| Speaking very poorly about Donald Trump and we'll have it in the podcast. | ||
| You should check it out on my YouTube channel at Tara Palmieri. | ||
| But yeah, she came there to kill Waltz. | ||
| Waltz walked in the door just in time because she knows he's 78 years old, Trump, and she's got to show him the video. | ||
| And so Waltz walks in the door. | ||
| She told me that Trump is not happy with Waltz. | ||
| And she told me there's a lot of infighting in the administration. | ||
| But do you think he'll get fired? | ||
| Listen, I don't think she would have gone on my show and talked like that if she didn't think he was already on ice. | ||
| So this may be all true and correct. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| I'm just saying that the American people don't care about the inner workings and the minutia. | ||
| Signalgate? He is a national security advisor. | ||
| And go to Times Square and ask someone about Signalgate. | ||
| What are they going to tell you? | ||
| Yeah, but that doesn't matter. | ||
| You know how people are safe in Times Square? | ||
| The way that people are safe in Times Square, a target, by the way, is because of the national security advisor. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's because of that. | ||
| But again. | ||
| If you go to a random tourist from anywhere in middle America, let's say you go to Times Square and you're looking for American citizens specifically. | ||
| But God, but they probably don't even know the capital of Maine. | ||
| Indeed. That's the point. | ||
| And they vote. | ||
| So when you go to them and say, what are you really worried about? | ||
| And they're like, these gangbangers all over the country. | ||
| And Trump's supporting them. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Okay, but would they be worried about going to Times Square if there were terror attacks there all the time? | ||
| There were! | ||
| Because we didn't have a national security apparatus? | ||
| But there still are, and it's gang members. | ||
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I mean, it's a lot safer than it was when I was there. | |
| Trende Aragua guy got arrested for shooting a gun in Times Square at people. | ||
| Okay, I want... | ||
| Fine. So yes, they're going to be like... | ||
| I want to tell you what it's like to live in a country where you do not feel like you are safe. | ||
| You know the national security apparatus does not work. | ||
| I lived in Brussels. | ||
| No, Brussels. | ||
| I lived there from 2014 to 2016. | ||
| I was covering... | ||
| I was covering the EU, okay? | ||
| And while I lived there, there were so many terror attacks between Paris and Brussels from the terrorists, the homegrown ISIS terrorists that were there. | ||
| And the bomb went off in the airport. | ||
| I was there at the airport. | ||
| The bomb went off in the subway below my office. | ||
| We were under lockdown for weeks sometimes. | ||
| We were told we couldn't leave our house. | ||
| There was the Charlie Hebdo shooting. | ||
| There was just random plowing of people in resorts in France, in Nice. | ||
| It was a terrifying place to be. | ||
| And the reason that this was happening was because they had no real national security apparatus. | ||
| Agreed. Agreed. | ||
| Listen, and you know why you haven't heard of a mass terrorism account? | ||
| Something that happened in Europe recently, like a mass terror attack in Europe? | ||
| There was one in Germany recently. | ||
| It's because they got the help of the FBI. | ||
| It's because they got the help of the CIA. | ||
| It's because they got the help of our security apparatus. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| I think there are issues with some of the way the first signal gate stuff happened, but can you walk me down the logic of how Times Square is therefore not safe? | ||
| You know, Mike Walsh mishandled in a part of a signal chat, right? | ||
| If the person is in charge of security, then our nation's security is at risk. | ||
| He's a national security advisor. | ||
| He runs, like, the cyber command. | ||
| He runs everything. | ||
| He runs all these people. | ||
| Your bigger concern is probably Kristi Noem. | ||
| But more importantly, the issue that I brought up is... | ||
| Maybe Kash Patel. | ||
| The issue that I brought up is specifically... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Will Trump earn favor among voters which will benefit him in the long run? | ||
| I don't care about that. | ||
| I care about being safe. | ||
| I care about government. | ||
| And so you agree with my point then? | ||
| Yes, but... | ||
| Regular people in this country do not care about this. | ||
| They will care? | ||
| When they are not safe. | ||
| That is when they care. | ||
| Are you kidding? | ||
| You think that people are going to know what the NSC does? | ||
| They may not know what the NSC does, but they may know that they don't feel safe under the Trump administration. | ||
| So what do they want? | ||
| And that means the buck stops there. | ||
| So what do they want? | ||
| They want safety. | ||
| And how do they get it? | ||
| Through a... | ||
| We have threats from everywhere. | ||
| We have threats from Iran. | ||
| We have threats from China. | ||
| We have threats from Russia. | ||
| We have threats from everywhere. | ||
| The point that was brought up was this story matters little to the American people. | ||
| I forgot about this story. | ||
| I care about the people that work for him. | ||
| I'm telling you that if you don't think it matters who has these jobs... | ||
| I said the American people don't care about this story. | ||
| Whether they don't care about the story, they should worry about who has the job. | ||
| Sure, but they don't. | ||
| So if you want to argue they're factually incorrect in their priorities, true. | ||
| You only care about something until it doesn't work. | ||
| And you know that. | ||
| You don't care about your car until you can't turn it on. | ||
| Well, you care about your car, you need to use it every day. | ||
| Exactly. You need security every day. | ||
| The issue here is that of all of the principal issues polled, immigration is where Trump is winning. | ||
| This story, they shifted off of immigration and to try and go somewhere else. | ||
| I don't know how you're actually connecting immigration to the signal gate. | ||
| I don't see how they're connected. | ||
| Let me try and help you out. | ||
| That's DHS. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Okay, and then that's NSA. | ||
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Slow down. | |
| Slow down. | ||
| Because if you're confused, I'll need to speak. | ||
| Yeah, tell me. | ||
| Okay. Regular people care about immigration. | ||
| Democrats are trying to get off the immigration story because they lost. | ||
| So they've shifted into something that doesn't matter at all. | ||
| Potentially a second signal gate. | ||
| No one cared about signal gate except politicos. | ||
| I can agree with you that there are people that exist that do not know who the National Security Advisor is. | ||
| There are people that—and that is the luxury of being in a country that functions, and that's why I was bringing up Brussels. | ||
| The luxury of working in a country that truly functions is that you don't have to go to sleep at night worrying about making sure that there is security, making sure that there is not a terror threat where you live, that you know that the subways are constantly being monitored by FBI, that they are constantly, you know, | ||
| tracking— My body just got raped in New York City. | ||
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Tara, can I follow up again? | |
| The worst case mishandling of some classified information to now Times Square is not safe. | ||
| It reflects a lack of competence. | ||
| Reflects a lack of competence. | ||
| And regular people don't care about that. | ||
| They don't care about competence until incompetence affects them. | ||
| And I don't think the NSA will affect them. | ||
| Alright. We'll see. | ||
| I hope not either. | ||
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You know what? | |
| I hope that you said that. | ||
| I'm knocking on wood, and I hope that we never have to experience it. | ||
| And the only point I was making is that Democrats are attaching to a low-value story because they're desperate for something to go against the administration on. | ||
| I don't think it's low-value. | ||
| They seem like a bunch of kids. | ||
| Okay, the point I'm making is... | ||
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They are. | |
| They're my age. | ||
| I'm like, what are you doing? | ||
| You have no experience. | ||
| What are you doing here? | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| Will Pete Hegseth be fired? | ||
| My point is probably not because this story is low value and not nearly as big as people think it is. | ||
| The story is not nearly as big as people think it is. | ||
| Most people actually don't care. | ||
| Trump has no reason to fire Hegseth over a few texts that we don't even know if they actually exist. | ||
| So why are all these big outlets running this story? | ||
| They didn't deny it. | ||
| They actually confirmed it. | ||
| So why are all of these big outlets running a story of little interest? | ||
| We've already had signal gates. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| I just want to correct that. | ||
| Signal gate is over. | ||
| You said that they didn't exist. | ||
| He already confirmed it himself. | ||
| I said, we don't know if they exist. | ||
| They came from anonymous sources. | ||
| No, Trump acknowledged it himself. | ||
| And so did the NSC. | ||
| He acknowledged it. | ||
| He said it shouldn't have happened. | ||
| And the NSC acknowledged it? | ||
| The second signal gate. | ||
| Oh, the second signal gate... | ||
| If you stopped talking for two seconds, you might have heard what I said. | ||
| The second signal gate, as if the first one wasn't bad enough. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| Why was the first one bad? | ||
| I would not be a Boy Scout. | ||
| Why was the first one bad? | ||
| Listen, Tim, I would not be a Boy Scout for this administration because you don't know what's coming. | ||
| So what? | ||
| So you're arguing we should lie because we're worried Trump would do something bad? | ||
| I'm not saying you should lie. | ||
| I'm just saying I don't think you should offend him so hard until you know it's coming. | ||
| I think the funny thing is... | ||
| Because you might have egg on your face in literally three days. | ||
| You are so emotionally attached to the liberal... | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| I'm not emotionally attached. | ||
| You can't even stop talking for a second. | ||
| I'm not emotionally attached. | ||
| You are. | ||
| Listen, you can't stop talking. | ||
| So the point I was trying to make is that this story is an old story. | ||
| Signalgate happened two weeks ago. | ||
| Why are they back on an anonymous claim of Signal Gate 2? | ||
| Because now in Signal Gate 2 it is alleged that his wife and I think his... | ||
| Alleged by anonymous source? | ||
| Until it's confirmed. | ||
| So right now there's no story. | ||
| Why are they running this front page? | ||
| Because it's important and it matters. | ||
| And I bet you, I know those reporters and I bet you that it's true. | ||
| And then why is Van Hollen now saying, I'm not vouching for this guy? | ||
| I'm okay if he's deported. | ||
| I don't see how those two are connected. | ||
| Could it be that immigration being the number one issue among Americans they're winning on, Democrats and the media are shifting off of a story? | ||
| And they're going backwards to a previous one? | ||
| I am not a partisan. | ||
| I will not defend the Democrats, okay? | ||
| If that's what you want me to do... | ||
| You are doing it. | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| I will not defend the Democrats. | ||
| I'm actually a reporter. | ||
| I don't even vote when I cover elections. | ||
| I didn't vote in this election. | ||
| So why when I said... | ||
| All I am telling you is that national security and competence matters. | ||
| Because the whole idea... | ||
| You just keep pulling things from here, and then you bring them there, and you try to tie them together, but they're not related. | ||
| All I am saying is... | ||
| All I am saying is... | ||
| No, I can understand. | ||
| What you can't understand is what I'm trying to say, which is that competence matters in positions. | ||
| I do, but you're off in some other world. | ||
| Tim? Let's go back in time. | ||
| The issue we brought up at the start of the show... | ||
| I just don't... | ||
| Yeah, sure, go ahead. | ||
| You keep talking about the Democrats and media, but go ahead. | ||
| Sure. The issue I brought up at the top of the show was that the immigration story has backfired on Democrats. | ||
| Echelon, Pew, and CNN all came out with polls showing the American people are happy with Trump's job. | ||
| Correct. Signalgate was two weeks ago. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| OK, go ahead. | ||
| They've now shifted to an anonymous claim with no evidence of a second SignalGate. | ||
| The point I brought up was not to defend SignalGate, was not to defend Donald Trump. | ||
| So you think they shouldn't report on it? | ||
| My point was that with Senator Van Hollen coming out and saying, I'm OK with Abrigo Garcia being deported now, they're backing away from a story. | ||
| And the corporate press is now shifting the news cycle back onto SignalGate, which was two weeks ago. | ||
| Fine. Maybe they are. | ||
| But if it's real, they should still report it. | ||
| They should still report SignalGate, too, if it is real. | ||
| And so they should wait until they have corroborating evidence? | ||
| I think that what those reporters have, they probably have corroborating evidence because I know those reporters. | ||
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They are good. | |
| Probably. Maybe one day they'll share it with us. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Actually... Otherwise, I'll just believe everything they say no matter what. | ||
| I respect those reporters. | ||
| I know them and I trust them and I'm sure that they probably do have that. | ||
| But in the meantime... | ||
| Why wouldn't they share it now? | ||
| They're corroborating evidence. | ||
| Because it would probably expose their sources. | ||
| But if it's that important of a story... | ||
| Why are we... | ||
| Here's the question, guys. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| This whole idea of, like, the mainstream media is, like, trying to draw the narratives one way or another. | ||
| Fine, whatever. | ||
| Maybe there are people who want you to look one way or another. | ||
| But at the end of the day, why would you want to censor a real story? | ||
| Who said that? | ||
| No one wants to censor the story. | ||
| Well, you're saying that we shouldn't cover Signalgate. | ||
| Like, it doesn't matter. | ||
| You're saying Signalgate 2 doesn't matter. | ||
| You're like, who cares? | ||
| Because Americans don't care about it. | ||
| That's literally never been said once. | ||
| You said that most people don't care about signaling. | ||
| Indeed. And so we shouldn't cover it? | ||
| I never said that. | ||
| Just because Americans don't care about it, we shouldn't tell people that. | ||
| We were covering it. | ||
| We're literally on a big show to millions of people covering the story explicitly. | ||
| But you think there is a conspiracy in which the media... | ||
| I think the Democrat political party and their consultants are going over their polls and saying, Van Hollen, this is hurting you. | ||
| You need to back off it. | ||
| He goes on Fox News of all places and says, I'm okay with Abra Garcia being deported. | ||
| I'm sure they are. | ||
| Indeed. Yeah, I'm absolutely sure. | ||
| We're in agreement then. | ||
| Yeah, but the fact that that has anything to do with SignalGate is what I struggle to understand. | ||
| So Democrats have started propping up this story. | ||
| Okay. Which is a real story. | ||
| It's not a prop up. | ||
| It's a real story. | ||
| With a single anonymous source? | ||
| I don't think it's a single. | ||
| I want to read the story actually really quickly so we can actually make this clear on air so that I hope you're not disparaging these people without actually looking at it. | ||
| Let me find out how many... | ||
| I was trying to talk about it earlier. | ||
| There were a few advisors to Pete Hegseth who were fired allegedly for leaking. | ||
| That's what the administration and Secretary Pete Hegseth said of them. | ||
| I'm sorry, four people with knowledge of the chat. | ||
| That's four people, not one anonymous source. | ||
| What does knowledge of it mean? | ||
| You said it was one, and now we know it's four. | ||
| Indeed. Well, we don't know it's four because we don't know who the four people are. | ||
| They're anonymous. | ||
| Okay, well, listen. | ||
| If you understand anything about journalism... | ||
| Sometimes you have to use anonymous sources. | ||
| It's just a fact. | ||
| Okay? And first you said it was one anonymous source. | ||
| Now it's four. | ||
| So let's get the story straight. | ||
| Okay? And it includes his wife. | ||
| And I just want to see how the White House responded to this. | ||
| Okay? It's very easy to make you believe a thing, isn't it? | ||
| No, it's not, actually. | ||
| Because I know these journalists. | ||
| And I know that they would only go with a story like this if it was solid. | ||
| Has the New York Times published falsehoods before? | ||
| They may have. | ||
| They won Pulitzer's for it. | ||
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Walter Durante. | |
| There's no famine. | ||
| I'm not going to not... | ||
| Tara, I guess... | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| Can I just say one thing? | ||
| When the first signal gate came out, okay? | ||
| Can we just all acknowledge the fact that Hegseth denied that it was real and that it was anything? | ||
| And he said those chats weren't real and he just said blatant lies on TV and then Trump acknowledged it an hour later. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| I'll pull it up. | ||
| Let's roll the tape, as they say. | ||
| I just don't think you guys should be defending these guys like this. | ||
| It's just gonna... | ||
| You're gonna have egg on your face. | ||
| I think the interesting thing is... | ||
| You conflate stating true thing with defense of Trump. | ||
| Okay, deny signal. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Right. Is stating true thing defending Trump? | ||
| Okay, here we are. | ||
| No. I guess there's a lot of things. | ||
| I criticize the administration all the time, just not for this. | ||
| That's from today, actually. | ||
| That's from today. | ||
| Okay, that's denial. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| This was the one when he was in Hawaii. | ||
| Yeah, this was a good one. | ||
| And he was like, this is an old story. | ||
| bringing it back up again. | ||
| Talking about a deceitful and highly discredited so-called journalist who's made a profession of peddling hoaxes time and time again to include the... | ||
| They couldn't even get their denials. | ||
| Russia, Russia, Russia, or the fine people on both sides hopes or suckers and losers hopes. | ||
| So this is a guy that pedals in garbage. | ||
| This is what he does. | ||
| I would love to comment on the Houthi campaign. | ||
| Because of the skill and courage of our troops, I've monitored it very closely from the beginning. | ||
| And you see, we've been managing four years of deferred maintenance under the Trump administration. | ||
| I don't think that's the right video. | ||
| Sounds like you're misquoting him, Tara. | ||
| Listen, you have to wait for the whole thing. | ||
| Our ships couldn't sail through. | ||
| First, he disparages us. | ||
| I don't think it's the right video. | ||
| Wait. There was no denial there. | ||
| Yeah. He was just insulting the guy. | ||
| Okay, so then he gets the one where he denies it. | ||
| Just so, like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I want to find it because he denied it. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm still cool with him just sliming the guy. | ||
| Totally fine with me. | ||
| Why is it cool just to slime somebody? | ||
| Is he a liar? | ||
| Because journalists lie to us constantly. | ||
| Guys, if I... | ||
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Because Goldberg was a purveyor of the Russia hoax. | |
| Actually, can I ask you guys? | ||
| You guys are like a bunch of badass journalists or media guys. | ||
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No, not at all. | |
| You're not. | ||
| I am. | ||
| Tara, wait. | ||
| I'll take that one. | ||
| If you were on this chat, Would you actually report it? | ||
| If what? | ||
| If you were on the chat, would you share it? | ||
| I would have contacted... | ||
| If I was included in a single chat, I'd say, hey guys, discontinue, wrong person. | ||
| I actually have the phone numbers of many of these people. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| Indeed. And if they texted me, I'd say, guys, wrong chat, boot me out. | ||
| And they'd say, whoops, and there'd be no story. | ||
| There's no issue. | ||
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How your information about war plans against the Hitties in Yemen-- | |
| Tara, you better have this quote right if we're running through all these videos. | ||
| Nobody was texting war plans. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Indeed. Who was that that said that, though? | ||
| No, now it depends on how you define war plans because he was just talking about coordinates. | ||
| The whole thing is semantics now. | ||
| It always is. | ||
| Was it war plans or was it war attacks? | ||
| Tara, how would you respond to somebody who says, hey, these are just... | ||
| Wait, you didn't finish here. | ||
| Like Pete Hexeth and others in the administration were saying that these were just a few disgruntled employees. | ||
| John Yuliat, he said he resigned, but, you know, he probably could have been asked for his resignation. | ||
| These guys are probably pissed because they probably got caught allegedly leaking, which is what Hexeth said. | ||
| So if these guys were found to be the leakers, it would be worth firing them, correct? | ||
| I think if they were leaking classified information, yeah. | ||
| Do you believe that these guys were involved? | ||
| Do you know the story enough to comment on that part? | ||
| Because these guys were, again, allegedly involved in the leaking of the war plans. | ||
| The Iran war plans. | ||
| Yeah, about Iran. | ||
| I'm not going to comment on that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay, so I feel like, again, we're leaving some parts of this story in the dark now because, again, is the department in disarray or is it in disarray because there are leakers and President Trump now is fixing it because there are leakers and this is making it better, not in disarray, if anything, right? | ||
| I'm trying to flesh this through. | ||
| There were leakers in the Department of Defense, right? | ||
| In the Pentagon. | ||
| We're assuming these people are leakers. | ||
| Allegedly. Allegedly. | ||
| Allegedly. You saw the reports from the New York Times. | ||
| The New York Times, somebody in the Department of Defense was leaking. | ||
| Pete Hegseth said it was them and fired them as a result of it. | ||
| Now they seem to be disgruntled. | ||
| Yeah, now they're willing. | ||
| Isn't all of this... | ||
| No, no, no, you're right. | ||
| Now they're disgruntled. | ||
| And you got, like, people in the media are opportunistically using this story to try to veer narratives off of, you know, what they think might be dispopular elsewhere. | ||
| But is this making sense to you as I'm running through this? | ||
| No, it makes sense to me. | ||
| So isn't it a good thing that they got fired, allegedly, if they were? | ||
| Leakers? Like, isn't it not disarray? | ||
| It's repairing. | ||
| The only thing I think is good about it is if they now feel like they can talk about what they saw. | ||
| I do think that if you were... | ||
| I'm still in shock that if you guys were on this chat, you wouldn't have shared it. | ||
| Why would... | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I didn't respond. | ||
| You have sources that you would expose? | ||
| You would expose private sources, private information? | ||
| That wasn't a source relationship thing. | ||
| That was a... | ||
| That was a... | ||
| I am watching classified information. | ||
| That is almost like walking in on someone doing a crime. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| If you walked in on someone doing a crime, how would you not cover that? | ||
| Can I ask you a question? | ||
| Yeah. Why do you have the phone numbers of government officials? | ||
| I have sources. | ||
| Okay. If they accidentally texted you private information, you'd report that. | ||
| If you want to say their source, you would. | ||
| I would have to say, if it was an accident, I might... | ||
| Reach out to them, but that was not what happened to them. | ||
| That's not what happened. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| They accidentally included Goldberg on this? | ||
| The reason that he decided to go with this one is because of the way they were communicating classified information. | ||
| What was classified? | ||
| All of it. | ||
| What? Oh, come on. | ||
| They said it wasn't classified. | ||
| Yeah. That's not an answer. | ||
| Are you dealing in facts or opinions? | ||
| I mean, you should be the one who's talking. | ||
| Indeed. I'm asking the question. | ||
| And we have an official statement from the executive branch and their plenary classification powers that it wasn't classified. | ||
| They can declassify also. | ||
| Indeed they can. | ||
| So when they say it wasn't classified, it's not. | ||
| Oh, if Trump decides it's not classified, then it's not classified. | ||
| Indeed. But would you have wanted those people in Yemen or our service members to be exposed by that information and if, say, it was intercepted? | ||
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Which information? | |
| Which information? | ||
| The plans for the attack. | ||
| What was the plan? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Exactly how they were going to attack these people in Yemen. | ||
| What details are you referring to? | ||
| All of the details in that chat. | ||
| Do you know the details? | ||
| Yeah, I'll read them, actually. | ||
| You're going to look them up. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know them. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Okay, then tell us. | ||
| F-18s and launch times. | ||
| No targets, no personnel, no locations. | ||
| So, whether or not... | ||
| It was much more detailed than that. | ||
| It had the date, it was the time. | ||
| Listen, I'm going to pull this up. | ||
| The reason why they argued it wasn't classified is because the launch of vehicles, I'm sorry, I think it was vehicles, not weapons, no specific targets, and unspecified locations. | ||
| And so they argued this is not classified information. | ||
| In fact, on top of this... | ||
| And why did he share it with them, anyway? | ||
| With other members of the cabinet? | ||
| The people that needed to know were Mike Waltz. | ||
| They were having a conversation about whether they were going to carry it out. | ||
| Before it even happened. | ||
| But would you want... | ||
| Would you want anyone to have that information before it happened? | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Yes. Why does the military let Richard Engel embed with them on military strikes? | ||
| But they have agreements when you do that. | ||
| I've done that kind of thing before. | ||
| You can't report it before it happens. | ||
| How come it wasn't a big story that Richard Engel brought his personal cell phone to Syria during the Assad missions? | ||
| I don't know about this story. | ||
| And this is substantially worse than Signalgate will ever be. | ||
| It was never a story. | ||
| Richard Engel, correspondent for NBC News, carried his personal cell phone into Assad territory, giving away all U.S. intel to a foreign adversary. | ||
| And not a single journalist cared at all. | ||
| And now they're going, signal gate. | ||
| And I'm like, so someone accidentally got texted vehicles in an attack that everybody knew was going to be happening at some point because Trump said they were going to do it. | ||
| And so it's not a pretty moment, I suppose, to accidentally loop the journalist in. | ||
| But I will add, the government brings journalists in these conversations all the time and have their security compromised unintentionally by these individuals. | ||
| And not a single journalist will ever call out one of their own. | ||
| Okay, here's one. | ||
| I'm still waiting for any journalist to call out Richard Engel. | ||
| I'm just reading the text. | ||
| I don't know where. | ||
| Time now. | ||
| 11.40. | ||
| I'm reading the text that you said are just like nothing. | ||
| 11.44. | ||
| Weather is favorable. | ||
| Just confirmed with CENTCOM. | ||
| We are a go for mission launch. | ||
| J.D. Vance. | ||
| The strongest reason. | ||
| It doesn't matter anyway what he says. | ||
| All that matters is what Pete Hegseth says because that is obviously the... | ||
| Here you can see. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Am I going to have to sign up for The Atlantic to read this one? | ||
| Establishing a principles group for coordinating on who these particularly... | ||
| No, guys, don't laugh. | ||
| I'm going to read through it all. | ||
| Nobody left. | ||
| Okay. Mm-hmm. | ||
| I mean, to be fair, we've gone over this probably 17 times. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm just saying you minimized it. | ||
| And we're like, yeah, it's just like a text message. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| Just friends chatting. | ||
| This was a war attack. | ||
| It's a question of if it's classified or not. | ||
| So the information given, which is surprising to me, is at first I thought, did they include Goldberg on purpose? | ||
| Because this is actually routine stuff. | ||
| I've been given tons of private information from government sources often, and they say, just don't repeat it, it's off the record. | ||
| With every single person's number on there, and like the chief of staff, and the vice president, and the entire national security apparatus essentially on there. | ||
| I think you're a hypocrite. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Thanks for the name-calling. | ||
| Well, I'm describing a behavior you just engaged in. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That you say, I can't reveal sources. | ||
| Sometimes they have to be anonymous. | ||
| I wouldn't expose my sources. | ||
| That's why we don't reveal their information. | ||
| Then Goldberg gets given privy to access to a communication, and you're saying, I can't believe you guys wouldn't have shared this. | ||
| Indeed. I know people who work in government— But it wasn't intentional, and they were sharing— Okay, but I want to go back to the— So my question for you is, would you expose your private sources if they accidentally sent you information? | ||
| And you didn't know. | ||
| You didn't have an answer. | ||
| It depends on the situation. | ||
| And I don't think I would expose my sources, but if it was this situation where he was mistakenly added to a chat that includes—this was a rare situation, okay? | ||
| Why not just be like, guys, take me off? | ||
| Okay, here's this. | ||
| Weather is favorable. | ||
| Just confirmed with CENTCOM. | ||
| We are a go for a mission launch. | ||
| That was at 12.15. | ||
| F-18s launch, first strike package. | ||
| Trigger-based. | ||
| F-18 first strike window starts. | ||
| Target terrorist is at his known location, so should be on time. | ||
| Also strikes, drone launch, MQNs. | ||
| 1410, more F-18s launch, second strike package. | ||
| Okay. I could keep going because... | ||
| Here's my question. | ||
| 14, 15, strike drones on target. | ||
| This is when the first bombs will definitively drop, pending earlier triggered-based targets. | ||
| 15, 36, F-18, second strike starts. | ||
| Also first, like, do you want me to keep going? | ||
| Like, this is obviously... | ||
| No, because we know all of this. | ||
| These are obviously detailed attacks. | ||
| You made it seem like it was two text messages. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| You did. | ||
| We've gone over the story extensively. | ||
| You also said there was one source, now there's four sources. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Is that the only argument you have? | ||
| Yeah, because you don't keep the facts straight. | ||
| You are overly emotional on this story. | ||
| You are overly defensive of Democrats and the media apparatus. | ||
| I'm not defensive of Democrats and I'm not defensive. | ||
| I am defensive of journalists. | ||
| I'm defensive of journalists. | ||
| And I'm just as critical of Biden as I was of Trump. | ||
| And I was one of the few journalists that said that he was too old and that he should be running. | ||
| So here's how journalism should approach SignalGate. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Indeed. Is it routine for journalists to be given access to this kind of information? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| Is that? | ||
| Yes. If you got that, there would be an embargo on it. | ||
| No. No, that kind of information we would not get access to. | ||
| Yes, there could be an embargo. | ||
| Indeed, agreed. | ||
| And I don't think that we would get access to that, honestly. | ||
| Richard Engels was given direct access to go on U.S. missions. | ||
| What year was it? | ||
| This is the beginning of the Arab Spring 10 years ago. | ||
| Okay. So it is a fact that U.S. journalists embed with the military on classified missions. | ||
| And it's very, very, very, like, it's very tight if it's a classified mission. | ||
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| My point was, the questions we need to ask on SignalGate if you're actually trying to understand what's going on in the truth is, is information like this routinely given to journalists? | ||
| The answer is yes. | ||
| Not routinely. | ||
| The answer is yes, with a butt. | ||
| No, it's not routinely. | ||
| That would be a very rare situation. | ||
| You referenced something that happened 10 years ago. | ||
| Give me another routine time when this happens. | ||
| It's very rare. | ||
| Should I pull up all of the war footage from every news outlet ever in every conflict? | ||
| Okay, war footage is when you are literally in the war with them and you cannot report until the actual thing happens afterwards, right? | ||
| So you're misunderstanding. | ||
| They mistakenly... | ||
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You are misunderstanding. | |
| This was a mistake. | ||
| A mistake. | ||
| You are being way too emotional and jumping the gun on the point I'm trying to make. | ||
| And you're talking over. | ||
| Okay. So the first thing I said was, is information like this routinely given to journalists? | ||
| The answer is yes, that it is. | ||
| In this regard, it may have accidentally been given to a journalist. | ||
| So the question then we have is, was there damage done? | ||
| The answer is no, there was no damage done. | ||
| So the question then after that is... | ||
| That we know of. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| That we know of. | ||
| I mean, we might not have sources in Yemen anymore because of that. | ||
| We might not. | ||
| I can speculate 15 million things all the time. | ||
| But a journalist isn't going to do that. | ||
| They're going to say, I don't see any ramifications from this story. | ||
| It's an interesting thing that happened. | ||
| Maybe it was a good thing that it became public because they won't be using Signal again. | ||
| They all use Signal. | ||
| Why wouldn't they? | ||
| For classified information. | ||
| And I agree they shouldn't if it's disappearing. | ||
| Wait, you know Signal is regularly used improperly, but this isn't the first time. | ||
| But not for... | ||
| But in past administrations and classified information is regularly put onto Signal. | ||
| The issue was that it was leaked accidentally from Goldberg. | ||
| But no, you don't think past administrations have used this? | ||
| Signal is used regularly. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| They have. | ||
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| Okay, so the real issue was Goldberg being... | ||
| The issue is, the extent of the story from a bland assessment is... | ||
| Wow, who did that? | ||
| I guess don't do it again. | ||
| Instead, we've gotten a two-month ongoing... | ||
| It's the apocalypse? | ||
| A text message, man. | ||
| If there is another chat... | ||
| Okay, there are multiples. | ||
| It wasn't just that. | ||
| There was the Houthi one, and then there was another one. | ||
| Which other one? | ||
| Mike Waltz set up a second chat chain. | ||
| Are you saying signals in general? | ||
| I just... | ||
| Yes! You're not supposed to use Signal for this kind of information. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| You can use Signal for like, you know, hey, let's have a meeting, let's do this. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| None of that can disappear. | ||
| It's also corporate. | ||
| Signal, they should be used for encryption, but all of that needs to be left for the public to have after the fact. | ||
| The problem with Signal is that they're disappearing public records. | ||
| They shouldn't be doing that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| The previous administrations had done it as well, and no one should be doing it. | ||
| Exactly. You said signal is fine so long as they don't delete the messages. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I believe in holding on to records. | ||
| And that is a violation of the National Records Act. | ||
| We'll jump to the next story here. | ||
| Otherwise, we're talking in circles. | ||
| So let's just go to the Postmillennial. | ||
| Andrew Cuomo has been criminally referred to the DOJ over COVID nursing home disaster. | ||
| Now, while the story does sound fun, it actually is just James Comer saying that Cuomo made false statements to Congress and he's referring him to Pam Bondi. | ||
| The rumor is, I believe it was Steve Bannon who said, we should expect to see some arrests by summer, but I won't hold my breath. | ||
| So seeing this story does make me feel, I would say, the dried, withered husk of hope that's just disheveled and lying within my core, maybe pulsed once as soon as this story popped up. | ||
| But again, does anybody really think they're going to indict Cuomo? | ||
| No, because he's going to be mayor. | ||
| Exactly. I was going to say I'm truly conflicted because if they did indict Cuomo, the runner-up in the New York City Democratic mayoral primary is this socialist named Zorhan Mamdani, this AOC wannabe. | ||
| So that would be a huge disaster. | ||
| It's crazy how I'm actually rooting for Cuomo in the New York City. | ||
| Genocidal maniac? | ||
| Why would you be rooting for Cuomo against... | ||
| Against the communists in New York. | ||
| Wait, is that a serious question? | ||
| Because I don't want the communists to... | ||
| I'm an anti-communist. | ||
| Oh, buddy, I'm not so sure about that there. | ||
| We had that all fight about... | ||
| No, he changed his mind, remember? | ||
| He changed your mind about Pratt. | ||
| He said Bezos shouldn't be taxed. | ||
| Do you think that Eric Adams should have a shot? | ||
| I mean, he doesn't have a shot. | ||
| In the race? | ||
| I just think Cuomo should be in prison. | ||
| Yeah. For this. | ||
| For killing all those people in those COVID nursing homes? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Nuremberg trials for Cuomo. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Were the sexual assault allegations kosher and not kosher? | ||
| They were kosher with all the women that heard about them. | ||
| Tara, at your time at ABC, I don't know. | ||
| What's going on with Cuomo? | ||
| Because I know a lot of the news networks had a really good relationship with him, especially during the pandemic. | ||
| He was supposed to be like... | ||
| I wasn't at ABC during the pandemic. | ||
| I left. | ||
| I wasn't into the corporate media. | ||
| Oh, never mind. | ||
| I went to go do an Epstein podcast, so as much as you think I protect the corporate media, it wasn't my jam. | ||
| No, I think just one of them. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I respect reporters and journalists. | ||
| Like, I actually, when I was a child, I really wanted to be a muckraker. | ||
| I don't know if you know much about them, but they were Nellie Bly, you know, these type of investigative journalists that could get their hands dirty and they could expose the powerful and hold them to account by getting real facts and information. | ||
| So, to me, accountability journalist, journalism is super important, and I side with people when they find information. | ||
| Of course, it has to be accurate and it has to be correct, but I do believe at the core of journalism. | ||
| Journalism, it's to bring information to light that protects people. | ||
| I call that activism. | ||
| I don't call that activism because I don't- Which people do you protect? | ||
| Because I don't- I go after both sides. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I didn't say politically. | ||
| I said, which people do you protect? | ||
| I don't protect people. | ||
| In fact, you know- You just said to protect people. | ||
| No, to protect human beings. | ||
| Like, in general. | ||
| Like, from people who have power. | ||
| From people with power. | ||
| And what do people with power do? | ||
| They abuse it, as we talk about. | ||
| I mean, at that time, it was the robber barons and the way they were treating people in the meatpacking industries. | ||
| But now, it's people in power. | ||
| They, like, look at what happened with the Biden administration. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| Would you say, like, people, like... | ||
| Bezos and Bill Gates. | ||
| Yeah, everyone with power needs to be held into account. | ||
| What I'm saying, are you implying that they are abusing people? | ||
| Because it's one thing to say you're in a position of authority and you're in a position of power, so you should be scrutinized. | ||
| But it's another thing to be like, I think you're actually doing. | ||
| No, I would never accuse anybody of anything until I had actual information to be able to do that. | ||
| What degree of power do you think warrants this kind of spotlight? | ||
| I think that if you are an elected official, for example, I think if you oversee, like, perhaps you're a major CEO of a company that sells products to people and maybe there's some sort of, | ||
| like, poison in the products, you know, it's about, like... | ||
| So what if it's a big corporation that has a customer base and they're mass-deceiving their customer base in some way? | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| I think it's about protecting the masses. | ||
| It's populism-driven. | ||
| It's a populist form of journalism. | ||
| Let me ask you, there's a big company with a million customers and they have deceived all of their customers. | ||
| If you found there was an employer of that company who knew what was going on and was deceiving these people, that person is to be targeted as well, yes? | ||
| The employee would be a part of the story for sure. | ||
| What if the employee is the one doing it? | ||
| That's the story, for sure. | ||
| It should be exposed. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| If the employee was doing it, and if they were doing it independently, or were they being told by higher-ups to do it, I think, in general, this is just a populist form of journalism. | ||
| I started my career at the New York Post. | ||
| I've always believed that, to me, the best thing was when we got a dinkus that said Post got action, and that meant that whatever we reported resulted in some sort of change. | ||
| What degree of proof do you need? | ||
| If there's—let's say that this employee then breaks off and starts his own company and is like, I'm going to do this thing. | ||
| What degree of proof of intent, like mens reo, would you need to actually publish something that damages their business? | ||
| Here's where I—this is what I look at. | ||
| I think, does this story matter? | ||
| Does it, like, have impact on human beings' lives? | ||
| I think about the sources. | ||
| I consider my sources. | ||
| And also, I have a reputation. | ||
| Like, I've been doing this for 15 years, and I want to make sure that people, when they read my stuff, they're like, oh, yeah, that shit's legit. | ||
| In the same way that when I saw that New York Times article, I saw the bylines, and I was like, oh, I've worked with those people before. | ||
| They're legit, and others aren't. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So let me ask you, of this company where the guy, he comes out, he's doing this. | ||
| What do you think they should do? | ||
| Let's say a news story breaks and says this person, they left this big corporation, they're still doing this evil thing. | ||
| When that story breaks, what should the individual who is accused of evil do? | ||
| Well, they should defend themselves if they think that they are defensible or they should admit guilt if they did something wrong. | ||
| Well, who's going to think they're guilty? | ||
| I mean, everyone thinks they're doing something justifiable. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some people have to admit guilt. | ||
| I mean, some people, they don't admit guilt or they just say no comment or they hide. | ||
| Sometimes you have something on tape and it's almost undeniable. | ||
| I mean, in AI times, it's hard. | ||
| What if they weren't intentionally deceiving the customers, but they were just wrong the whole time? | ||
| It'd be a nuance in the story. | ||
| Should they shut their company down and say, wow, I can't believe I did that? | ||
| I think that it depends on the story. | ||
| I think it really depends on... | ||
| I think there are shades of gray in everything in life. | ||
| Like, I know it's easy. | ||
| We want to live in this world where there's an answer for everything. | ||
| But there isn't an answer for everything. | ||
| Sometimes you have to make calls. | ||
| You have to make decisions based on what the evidence shows you. | ||
| What if the reporting destroys this person's life? | ||
| They lose their job. | ||
| They get canceled, all that stuff. | ||
| And they never intentionally did something wrong. | ||
| They just didn't realize what they were doing was wrong and hurting people. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| How much power does this person have that they don't know what they're doing is wrong? | ||
| Again, it's got to be a story. | ||
| A million customers. | ||
| They think that they're doing something good, but the product is actually bad and the people are being lied to. | ||
| Well, they have to take accountability for what happened. | ||
| So whether it's an apology and they say, I'm so sorry that this happened. | ||
| I didn't know that the chicken I was selling you had whatever chlorine. | ||
| I know they use chlorine in chicken actually now, but whatever you want to use, some sort of product. | ||
| But should they quit? | ||
| Should they shut down? | ||
| It depends on the situation. | ||
| If it wasn't like... | ||
| It depends. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guess what I'm saying is like... | ||
| They may not even have to shut down. | ||
| They could try to keep going and they just might lose customers. | ||
| My argument is if a story breaks accusing this person of wrongdoing, no one's going to accept that. | ||
| Yeah. So it's like what is actually accomplished. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| It's exposing something that's happening in the world. | ||
| Like we can't live in a place where information is like... | ||
| You need information to make decisions. | ||
| We need truth. | ||
| That's power. | ||
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Truth is how we protect ourselves. | |
| I don't want to live in la-la land. | ||
| If you got a leaked message from this company and maybe some people who worked with this person, and releasing it would destroy their business, it didn't necessarily show that they were evil, but that what they were doing was probably hurting people. | ||
| You would release it for sure. | ||
| If I had the sourcing, if I had done the reporting... | ||
| If I had gotten down to the story and had as complete a story as possible, including the fact that this person may be unaware of what they're doing, which I would include in the story, allowing the readers to decide, you know, if I thought it was harming the public, I would release it. | ||
| Yeah, I would, because I think it's important for people to know. | ||
| And I do think that, like, we don't live in this world that we live in right now if it wasn't for those people who have risked, you know. | ||
| They risk their own lives to try to report. | ||
| I hope and I pray that that journalist exists and they get you. | ||
| Why? For what? | ||
| Well, you worked for the big corporation that was lying to the American people. | ||
| You started your own company. | ||
| You still lie to the American people. | ||
| How do I lie to the American people? | ||
| Your defense of the corporate news industry. | ||
| I'm not defending the corporate industry. | ||
| But I'm just making a point. | ||
| I'm not, but I haven't done anything. | ||
| That you view yourself as largely righteous. | ||
| I'm not righteous. | ||
| I'm doing this. | ||
| I have a goal. | ||
| What's wrong with having a mission and having a goal in life? | ||
| What's wrong with wanting to do the right thing? | ||
| You said that. | ||
| The point is you think you are morally justified in going after these people, and I'm not saying you aren't. | ||
| But going after who? | ||
| People that you view as having power. | ||
| Power is... | ||
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You have power. | |
| You have lots of power. | ||
| You have substantially more power than 99% of the people in this country. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| If I do something wrong and someone finds out about it and they have correct reporting, fine. | ||
| I will answer to it. | ||
| What if you report on a manufacturing business because some guy at the top took a kickback of $10,000 and it results in the company going out of business and 100 employees lose their job and now a middle-class working guy in the middle of the country says, I'm homeless and destitute because of you? | ||
| I mean, these are complex questions, but this is— Indeed it is, which is my point, is when you say that your intention is to strike— But are you just saying that we shouldn't just not cover powerful people? | ||
| We should just let everybody run amok? | ||
| Certainly not. | ||
| I'm saying that— You want to be Russia? | ||
| Like, what do you want? | ||
| You have a myopic, morally righteous worldview where you think you are true and correct and other people are not. | ||
| I don't think I'm perfect. | ||
| The point I'm making is the appropriate response in the SignalGate story would have been for Goldberg to just say— Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| You can calm down. | ||
| It would have been for him to just say, guys, take me off this chat, instead of destroying the lives over a stupid texting error. | ||
| Say, guys, never let this happen again. | ||
| It could get people hurt. | ||
| You shouldn't put me on it. | ||
| We'll keep it private. | ||
| That employee who loses his job because you blow the whistle on one guy at a mid-level who took a kickback would say, why didn't you just keep this under wraps? | ||
| We would have all kept our jobs. | ||
| Why did you have to destroy our lives because he did something ridiculous? | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| How do we know that because one guy gets fired that the whole company goes under? | ||
| How do we know that somebody else doesn't just get promoted and take that job? | ||
| Yeah, they'll get another job, I'm sure. | ||
| I'm sure they can learn to code. | ||
| They'll be fine, right? | ||
| You said Americans don't care about signal leak, but apparently 74% of U.S. adults do. | ||
| And that includes Republicans. | ||
| That's according to YouGov. | ||
| And you've also referenced polls. | ||
| What was the question? | ||
| The question was... | ||
| Yeah, I tend not to reference signal polls. | ||
| ...share of Americans who... | ||
| You did, though, many times. | ||
| You said Echelon. | ||
| You said Pew. | ||
| Is that three polls at once? | ||
| You definitely mentioned at least three in this show. | ||
| Exactly. I like to use polls that have multivariate... | ||
| Results, different polls. | ||
| If I'm not allowed to use polls, but you are, let me know. | ||
| I'm allowed to use three polls. | ||
| I'm asking you if you're citing one, I don't give it as much weight. | ||
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Here's another one, Rasmussen. | |
| You also said Rasmussen earlier. | ||
| I didn't say Rasmussen. | ||
| Rasmussen, sorry. | ||
| You did say it at Rasmussen, whatever. | ||
| You said it earlier. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I'm pretty sure I recall you saying that, but 48% of people... | ||
| I didn't because we learned recently that's pronounced Rasmussen by the guy from Rasmussen who came here. | ||
| And also, I just want to say the definition of classified information includes, quote, information providing indication or advance warning that the U.S. or its allies are preparing an attack. | ||
| Does Pete Hegseff have the authority over the DOD's information, whether it's classified or not? | ||
| I think Trump is the one who decides, right, about classification? | ||
| I don't know that answer. | ||
| Universally, but what about specifically DOD information? | ||
| I don't know that answer. | ||
| It is HexF. | ||
| Okay. So if he says it's not classified, it's not. | ||
| The ultimate issue that I bring up with all these questions is... | ||
| Well, he better hope he's right. | ||
| The appropriate way that you handle a thing like this is to say, guys, take me off this text chat, and there's no story. | ||
| But what if they take you off the text chat and carry on committing a crime, like you said, the National Records Act? | ||
| Well, the Biden administration did that, too. | ||
| Okay. So perhaps the response should be, hey, guys, you know, the Biden administration and probably Obama and now the Trump administration are all doing this thing. | ||
| Yeah. I don't think there was Signal during Obama years. | ||
| There was. | ||
| It was? | ||
| Yeah, but I doubt they used it because it was new. | ||
| I think it was like 2014. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Actually, I'm pretty sure we used Signal back in 2011. | ||
| Really? Yeah, but I don't think they used it. | ||
| The point is, the use of this is more than an administrative issue between... | ||
| It's like, we're not going to go and arrest Obama, Biden, and Trump. | ||
| Because of a National Records Act violation, we're going to say this should not be allowed. | ||
| Congress needs to quash this immediately. | ||
| My point is, there is this argument about journalism is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. | ||
| But what we often end up with, especially in this generation... | ||
| I don't think that that's absolutely what journalism is. | ||
| That's the famous quote. | ||
| Okay, some people say that. | ||
| One person said that. | ||
| I don't know about it. | ||
| I know, and journalists go to J school and they preach it and they love it. | ||
| So my concern is, When you see instances like this, there's appropriate ways to handle things for the betterment of humanity. | ||
| Yeah. But Goldberg did not do that. | ||
| But actually, in some ways, I think if... | ||
| He caused division, chaos, and fighting. | ||
| Or he showed the American people how... | ||
| What, a text error happened? | ||
| How the White House conducts itself? | ||
| How the national security apparatus conducts itself? | ||
| Errors happen all the time. | ||
| Trump tweeted, That wasn't pre-planned information about an attack. | ||
| Joe Biden stole classified documents for the purpose of selling a book and making money. | ||
| Right? So did Trump. | ||
| Trump didn't do it to make money. | ||
| Trump had knickknacks from various boxes from his daily briefings. | ||
| Whatever they wanted to use it for, both of them did. | ||
| So did Pence. | ||
| So did Pompeo. | ||
| All these guys take their classified docs. | ||
| Only Trump got prosecuted for it. | ||
| No, I think they tried to. | ||
| And I agree with you that the Biden thing was pretty weak just saying he was an old man. | ||
| And that was the reason they weren't prosecuting him. | ||
| It was pretty pathetic. | ||
| So it is clear that there are appropriate ways to handle things that minimize damage, solve the problem without causing disarray for the United States. | ||
| What Goldberg and the media apparatus did with SignalGate and what they're continuing doing now isn't actually solving the problem of Signal being used or of accidentally texting people. | ||
| It's just a part. | ||
| It's partisan hackery. | ||
| How do we know that that hasn't stopped the use of signal? | ||
| It hasn't stopped the use of signal. | ||
| According to the four anonymous sources, I'm saying, in their view, it's still happening. | ||
| I don't know if they said it was still happening. | ||
| I thought that they said it was happening concurrently. | ||
| I haven't read that. | ||
| The other issue on top of this is the second Signalgate story, which, again, is largely a liberal Democrat phenomenon because the right doesn't care about it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you can say what people care about. | ||
| There's no information as to what was in these chats. | ||
| It's just vagaries. | ||
| So why is this the news? | ||
| This is not speaking truth to power. | ||
| This is not holding anyone to account. | ||
| This is not a mission. | ||
| This is partisan nonsense. | ||
| I don't think it's partisan nonsense. | ||
| I don't know why you're defending them. | ||
| They look like fools. | ||
| I think this is the issue. | ||
| You believe truth is the defense of Trump. | ||
| I believe truth is truth. | ||
| Truth is the defense of Trump? | ||
| Me saying a flat statement. | ||
| We don't know what's in these texts. | ||
| You said, why are you defending them? | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I'm saying we don't know what's in the texts. | ||
| We saw the text. | ||
| They printed them out. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Second signal gate. | ||
| Oh, that's still to come. | ||
| I mean, I have to look at the story. | ||
| Sure. When the anonymous people want to publish information, maybe they will. | ||
| We can have a conversation about whether it was good or bad. | ||
| I just, okay, let me see if they've actually published it. | ||
| This is the issue with modern journalism today, is that dispassion is viewed as defense of Trump. | ||
| Dispassion? You're fighting me. | ||
| This is passion. | ||
| On truth, not Trump. | ||
| I'm fighting you against the media. | ||
| You're telling me that this journalist should not have actually published these. | ||
| I don't agree with you on that. | ||
| I don't agree with you. | ||
| I'm not talking about the corporate media. | ||
| Don't try to conflate it. | ||
| That's what you're trying to do. | ||
| I think that in this situation, that if I had those messages, I would have done what Jeffrey Goldberg did. | ||
| Why are you defending Jeffrey Goldberg? | ||
| Because you're attacking him, and I think that I would have done what he did. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Well, I'm not defending the Trump administration's use of signalgate. | ||
| Okay, I'm happy to hear that. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| I'm happy to hear it. | ||
| Right. So my point is, when you say, why are you defending them? | ||
| This has been the trope in the Trump era. | ||
| The thing that you keep saying over and over again is that Americans don't care. | ||
| So this is just a made-up, manufactured story. | ||
| It's political. | ||
| And people don't care. | ||
| People don't care. | ||
| Okay, a lot of people don't care about a lot of things that matter. | ||
| And we can acknowledge that. | ||
| We don't know what's in Second Signal Gate. | ||
| We'll find out soon. | ||
| So for what is the purpose of running the story front page in New York Times? | ||
| Because his wife is on it. | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| That's what they're reporting. | ||
| Four sources, not one, like you said. | ||
| Four anonymous sources. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We've seen no evidence. | ||
| Okay. So why are you defending this attack against Trump? | ||
| Why are you anti-Trump? | ||
| I'm not anti-Trump. | ||
| Why would you say I'm defending Trump if I said we don't know what's in them and you call that a defense? | ||
| Then I call you anti-Trump. | ||
| How about this? | ||
| If it's not true, then why did... | ||
| I don't know if it's true. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| What? Now we don't care if it's real or not. | ||
| That's my point the whole time. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| If the second chat isn't real, like you said, And you're questioning why it's on the cover of the New York Times. | ||
| Why did Sean Parnell, the chief Pentagon spokesperson, not deny it? | ||
| Why did he not respond to the New York Times and say, this is fake news? | ||
| Because they still haven't denied it. | ||
| Don't know. | ||
| Can't read his mind. | ||
| They have not—even Hegseth, which we should—if you have— I don't know. | ||
| I can't read his mind. | ||
| They should probably play the actual video of—I could probably find it because I think I played it by accident. | ||
| But we should play what Hegseth says because I don't think he's denying it again. | ||
| So my view is that we have an accusation with no evidence and there is some politicking going on. | ||
| Well, first of all, the Pentagon hasn't denied it yet. | ||
| So what? | ||
| So you're saying it's fake, but no one else has. | ||
| No, I did not say it's fake. | ||
| You're the only one saying it's fake. | ||
| I don't think you can understand what I'm saying. | ||
| No, I do understand what you're saying. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| You said it's based on one source. | ||
| There are four people that said it was... | ||
| No, I genuinely think you can't understand the words that I'm saying. | ||
| I can understand the words that you're saying. | ||
| You don't understand what you're saying. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Okay. We have a political story with no evidence. | ||
| For what reason is this front-page news? | ||
| Because this... | ||
| I bet you that this wouldn't be front-page news, by the way. | ||
| If the Pentagon just denied it. | ||
| Can you answer the question I asked? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It matters. | ||
| It matters if he's doing it again because, as we said, it was a mistake. | ||
| If you commit a mistake twice, signal gate, in your words, an accident, a mistake. | ||
| He didn't accidentally text anybody wrong in this story. | ||
| Okay. This story says that he's on a text chat with his wife. | ||
| About, with more classified... | ||
| Yeah, he didn't accidentally text a journalist again. | ||
| Okay, let's just listen to what he said, because I don't think he's... | ||
| Let's see what happened. | ||
| It's not about texting the journalist. | ||
| It's about sharing classified information again. | ||
| How do we know he shared classified information? | ||
| Because that's what the story says, that the Pentagon is not denying... | ||
| It says specifically classified? | ||
| Explicitly said that he shared classified information. | ||
| That's, again... | ||
| Future strikes, and like I said when I actually gave you the definition of classified, which we can go over again, classified, according to the definition of classified information, information providing indication or advance warning that the U.S. or its allies are preparing an attack. | ||
| Okay, you don't want to hear what I have to say, but here's what the lead story is of the New York Times. | ||
| Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shared detailed information about forthcoming strikes in Yemen on March 15th in a private... | ||
| Okay. Okay. | ||
| Okay. No, it could never be classified. | ||
| But then here's the question. | ||
| If it's not real, why not deny it? | ||
| Why not deny it? | ||
| I think we're missing the forest for the trees here. | ||
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| And why I'm saying that is because in the second Signal chat, there wasn't a journalist added. | ||
| So one might ask, oh, how did these leaks get out? | ||
| It was most likely that one of the people that was fired for allegedly leaking is now continuing to leak against Hegseth because he has an axe to grind. | ||
| One of the people who was fired for allegedly leaking was the same guy who was Pete Hexeth's contact man in the first Signal Gate chat. | ||
| So it makes sense that this guy, one of the same guys who was his contact man in the first Signal Gate chat, | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Does that make sense to you? | ||
| Because I think when we're doing journalism, we also need to understand why do sources come forth? | ||
| Why did any of these guys come forth? | ||
| Because, again, they're disgruntled employees with an axe to grind. | ||
| You don't think they also are concerned about the way that the Department of Defense is being run? | ||
| No, not one. | ||
| I don't think they give a shit at all. | ||
| You don't care. | ||
| Guys who didn't want us to attack Iran and leaked our attack plans to the New York Times. | ||
| Yeah, you think that. | ||
| Well, what do you mean I think that? | ||
| You have no evidence. | ||
| Did the New York Times have the reporting? | ||
| You said you have a hunch. | ||
| No, I'm asking you a question. | ||
| Did the New York Times have the reporting that said that we were going to attack Iran? | ||
| About our attack plans for Iran, correct? | ||
| Yeah, but you're saying who you think the source is. | ||
| And why they didn't. | ||
| The Department of Defense, Pete Hegseth said these guys were the leakers. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he could say that. | ||
| Okay, so according to Pete Hegseth, the leader of the Pentagon, right? | ||
| Yeah, but he also says a lot of things. | ||
| He denied the last thing. | ||
| So no, I think it's pretty obvious too, because again, these guys were fired. | ||
| And again, if you looked at the Signal chat, which you were reading to us earlier, you'd see the name of one of the people who was fired was his contact man there. | ||
| Obviously, there's an axe to grind, and it's a disgruntled employee. | ||
| And if you were a good journalist, you'd know that this actually comes up all the time. | ||
| Half of the sources for people are just people who are pissed off at others and people in their company. | ||
| All of these sources are former... | ||
| Listen, I agree with you that there are a lot of people... | ||
| No, but that's what we're missing here, that this is really about Iran and the Iran nuclear deal and the JCPOA Part 2, potentially. | ||
| And I think we're missing that. | ||
| The story here is about those two camps fighting within the Department of Defense. | ||
| The establishment media would rather run with this and say the whole department is disarrayed because they want to just slander Trump. | ||
| And here's the real issue here. | ||
| Tomorrow, potentially, when Press Secretary Caroline Levitt has a press briefing, the first... | ||
| You know, 80% of the questions are going to be on this essential non-story that, again, I don't think matters to most Americans. | ||
| I think most Americans are worried about the economy. | ||
| I think most Americans are worried about safety. | ||
| And the question is, in any investigation, is qui bono. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Qui bono? | ||
| Yes. What is that Latin for? | ||
| For who is to gain. | ||
| Okay. So when a source comes forth with a story, the question is for who is to gain. | ||
| If there was a story about toxic sludge being put in our milk and kids were going to drink it, the person who is to gain largely is the people who are saved from drinking it. | ||
| But the source who comes forward, what is their motivation? | ||
| What do they gain by bringing this story forward? | ||
| Maybe they are actually whistleblowers. | ||
| For most people, it's because, holy crap, kids are going to die from this. | ||
| In a story like this... | ||
| With four anonymous sources about a signal chat with information that Hegseth is allowed to disclose. | ||
| Who gains? | ||
| What is gained from this? | ||
| I mean, it's unclear if he's really allowed to disclose it, though. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| He's the head of the DOD. | ||
| He decides what operations are going to be classified. | ||
| Also, aren't you concerned about him disclosing that kind of stuff? | ||
| To his wife? | ||
| No. And not just his wife, his brother and his lawyer? | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Isn't his brother also listed as one of his advisors or legal counsel? | ||
| Which is also weird nepotism. | ||
| Should make sense for his lawyer to be there. | ||
| See, that's heavily biased. | ||
| Why is that heavily biased? | ||
| If that happened in the Biden administration, you'd be like, what the fuck is happening right now? | ||
| Two of my brothers work for my company. | ||
| Okay. Why wouldn't I hire people I know and trust? | ||
| Because you are in a private company. | ||
| This is public. | ||
| So what? | ||
| This is the government. | ||
| This is American taxpayers paying their salaries. | ||
| There are anti-nepotism laws out there. | ||
| You know that, right? | ||
| You hate this administration so much. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| Why do you keep saying that? | ||
| Because no matter what comes up, you don't ask basic questions. | ||
| You want to know why? | ||
| You just keep attacking the administration. | ||
| I'm not a Girl Scout, okay? | ||
| I don't like any administrations for any reasons. | ||
| I am here to get down to the bottom of it. | ||
| Not the Trump administration or the Biden administration or any administration. | ||
| I've never been a cheerleader, okay? | ||
| This is not my... | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It in fact is. | ||
| Christiane Amanpour at News Exchange in Morocco said that this is the idea that the people in power are always bad. | ||
| And she went on to add that can't always be the case, can it? | ||
| This mentality that Trump is always evil is insane. | ||
| Listen, I'm not saying... | ||
| He said this wrong no matter what he does. | ||
| I am not saying... | ||
| That everyone is always wrong. | ||
| But I think that you need to hold power to account. | ||
| That is our right. | ||
| As you define it. | ||
| Sure. If you think that they're not powerful people, fine. | ||
| They certainly are. | ||
| But I think the corporate media is substantially worse. | ||
| I am not a part of the corporate media. | ||
| Stop telling me. | ||
| I haven't worked in the corporate media in two or three years from now. | ||
| When in that statement did I say you as part of the corporate media are worse? | ||
| Because you keep being like, I'm a defender of the corporate media. | ||
| I'm a defender of journalism. | ||
| Okay? And sometimes good journalism is committed at corporate media. | ||
| We define this as factual but not truthful. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| It means that you will say things that are only technically correct to mislead the audience. | ||
| I feel like you're doing that all the time. | ||
| How? I mean, you are actually saying unfactual things, too. | ||
| What? Like when you said that there was only one anonymous person. | ||
| Is that the only thing you got? | ||
| And there were other things as well. | ||
| But I can remember that. | ||
| You're really latching on to me misstating one detail of a story that just came out today. | ||
| You want to know? | ||
| You know? | ||
| You know what the things that are unfactual that you say? | ||
| The attacks on me. | ||
| Those are unfactual. | ||
| Those are opinions. | ||
| I still think that they're unfactual opinions. | ||
| Okay, well, opinions aren't facts. | ||
| And my opinion based on the way you behave is an opinion based on the way you behave. | ||
| My opinion, based on the way you behave, is very unfair. | ||
| I think you're heavily biased, and instead of assessing the facts of a case— I think you're really biased. | ||
| Your bias, though, is towards defending the administration. | ||
| So, once again— So you're acting like you work for them. | ||
| You might as well be Caroline Levitt, and I would not want to be that. | ||
| I just think that's so lame. | ||
| You're overly emotional. | ||
| I think that it's so lame. | ||
| Lame is an ad hominem. | ||
| Okay. Instead of saying, who benefits from the leak? | ||
| Emotional versus lame. | ||
| I would rather be emotional rather than lame. | ||
| Emotional is a fact statement. | ||
| Lame is an ad hominem. | ||
| Okay, sure. | ||
| Who benefits from leaking the story about Hegseth in the second single chat? | ||
| What is the purpose of this story? | ||
| It shows the American people that they are continuing to do the mistake that they did the first time. | ||
| There's no journalist on this chat. | ||
| And also, why is his family on the chat? | ||
| Because he talks to his family. | ||
| And why does his family need to know in advance about an attack on a country? | ||
| Maybe he's saying, I'm going to work and I've got a meeting because there's going to be something happening in Yemen. | ||
| I don't understand why they would need to have the details of an attack. | ||
| You don't know what's in those chats. | ||
| You are assuming something bad happened without evidence. | ||
| I'm basing it on the reporting from the New York Times that the chief spokesperson to the Pentagon has not denied yet. | ||
| And you are assuming it's bad. | ||
| And until he denies it, I will assume it is true. | ||
| Why are you assuming it's bad? | ||
| Why are you assuming it's bad? | ||
| It sounds great. | ||
| Why are you assuming it's a bad thing? | ||
| I think it's a great thing. | ||
| No, it's not a great thing to share details of an attack with your family member. | ||
| You don't know what's in the texts. | ||
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This is why all of these outlets got obliterated on the Covington story. | |
| When these kids were at the Lincoln Memorial, all of the corporate press rushed to do exactly what you're doing. | ||
| Instead of actually waiting until we know what's going on, we're going to assume every degree of this that it was wrong and bad. | ||
| And that's what separates me from them. | ||
| And that's what separates the new media sphere, people who are actually saying, well, what happened? | ||
| What are the facts of the case? | ||
| And the people saying, I don't care, I just know it's bad. | ||
| Okay, well, I don't know it's bad. | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| Which is the same deal with the Carmelo Anthony story, which many on the right jumped on. | ||
| We have a police report with 33 witnesses and two statements. | ||
| It sounds bad, but we don't have all the details. | ||
| Why has the corporate press for 20 some odd years... | ||
| Let's just do this. | ||
| During the Trump administration years, the corporate press has assumed every single instance has been framed negatively against Trump. | ||
| We now have the Maryland man hoax. | ||
| We had, obviously, the very fine people hoax. | ||
| We had the injecting bleach hoax. | ||
| It's always the worst possible interpretation, no matter what. | ||
| Why couldn't Jeffrey Goldberg say, guys, don't put me on this chat? | ||
| And there's not a story. | ||
| It doesn't need to be brought up. | ||
| Okay, I just found something that I remembered. | ||
| So, the whole thing with Goldberg, right? | ||
| He didn't want to have to reveal the text, is what he said. | ||
| He said, if he had any regrets about how the story played out, he said that he wished the Trump administration hadn't challenged his first story, forcing him to write a second one with the compromising details. | ||
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So what? | |
| Why did they have to deny it if it was real? | ||
| Deny what? | ||
| That it was war plans? | ||
| Deny all of it. | ||
| They denied that there were war plans. | ||
| No, they denied that day three after the plans came out. | ||
| You never played for us the audio of him actually saying it never happened. | ||
| By the way, qui bono means who benefits. | ||
| Right, to whom benefits. | ||
| It's Latin if you want to phrase it one way or the other. | ||
| They denied it all. | ||
| They called him a slime ball. | ||
| They denied it. | ||
| So then because of that, because he denied it, because they all denied it, he the next day just published the text. | ||
| What was his direct verbatim statement about what was included in the text? | ||
| That was semantics. | ||
| Like, everyone who is watching this is smart enough to know. | ||
| I asked you a fact question. | ||
| Plans versus attacks. | ||
| That's not what I asked. | ||
| Plans versus attacks. | ||
| I asked you what he said was included in it. | ||
| The specific details. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| What are you asking about the first story or the second story? | ||
| The first story, Jeffrey Goldberg says, it includes this specific information. | ||
| Yeah. He didn't give the information, though. | ||
| He just generalized it. | ||
| He generalized it. | ||
| Was he wrong? | ||
| No, he wasn't. | ||
| No. He said it included locations. | ||
| It did. | ||
| It did not. | ||
| Yes, it did. | ||
| It said the apartment of the guy and his girlfriend. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Do you want me to go over and read this over again? | ||
| Because I feel like your listeners are going to be bored. | ||
| Does the word apartment identify which apartment and where? | ||
| Dude, I'm going to play it. | ||
| I'm going to read it again if you're going to make me do this. | ||
| Because you can't understand that house. | ||
| I'm going to go to a house. | ||
| Does that tell you where and when I'll be somewhere? | ||
| What city I'll be in? | ||
| What state I'll be in? | ||
| What country? | ||
| Okay. So to say that we have the locations of strikes and then you don't have them? | ||
| Strike drones on target. | ||
| This is when the first bombs will definitely drop. | ||
| Pending earlier triggered base targets. | ||
| Second strike starts. | ||
| Also first sea-based tomahawks launched. | ||
| More to follow per timeline. | ||
| Okay. Where? | ||
| Let's keep going. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I asked you where. | ||
| Why are you reading random things? | ||
| BP, building collapsed. | ||
| Why are you reading random things? | ||
| I'm not reading random things. | ||
| I'm asking you for a location. | ||
| I'm reading through it. | ||
| Do you think I have this on the back of my head? | ||
| I don't just spew things out of my head. | ||
| I actually like to have facts. | ||
| Okay? Apparently you don't because you had to pull it up and you didn't know what he said. | ||
| Yeah, because I actually want to make sure that what I say... | ||
| It's accurate. | ||
| I don't just say it. | ||
| Just to sound excited and enthruse and just say it. | ||
| I mean, I suppose you could actually read the story before making an assertion. | ||
| I am reading the text. | ||
| Afterwards, you've already made the claims for an hour and a half. | ||
| I have read it. | ||
| I just don't remember the actual quotes. | ||
| Now you just seem like a jerk, just so you know this. | ||
| You are actually just bullying me. | ||
| I am reading this. | ||
| I don't know the story, so you're being a bully. | ||
| I'm not saying I don't read the story. | ||
| Come on, I've got to look it up. | ||
| Okay, so I'm reading it. | ||
| Slash is on point. | ||
| Great job all. | ||
| More strikes going on for hours tonight. | ||
| There's no location. | ||
| He was wrong. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| You didn't even remember what was said, but you were asserting a fact without checking. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Location is not included. | ||
| Location and weapons were not included in the story. | ||
| I know this because I've read it and we've covered it like 17 times. | ||
| Why are you covering it so much if you don't think anyone matters? | ||
| Because it was the top trending news story and the argument we made was that it was a non-issue being brought up for political reasons. | ||
| Because the appropriate response from Goldberg is, guys, just take me off the chat. | ||
| Not sit on it for several days, accuse them of wrongdoing, refuse to publish, only if they're getting called out. | ||
| Turns out you didn't actually have the information you claimed you did. | ||
| I'm going to find it because it does say the apartment building. | ||
| How would we know about this apartment building in Yemen if it wasn't for this? | ||
| Which apartment building? | ||
| Where? In Yemen. | ||
| I know, but what's the target? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| on. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We're going to go, while you're doing that, we've got to grab a sponsor before we go to our Super Chats. | ||
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| Advocacy. Very cool. | ||
| I was actually surprised to hear this. | ||
| Did you guys know the AARP has promoted Drag Queen Story Hour events? | ||
| This is terrible news. | ||
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| For real, for real. | ||
| I just got my first AARP mailer. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| None of that. | ||
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| Let me say this. | ||
| I actually, I read that and I looked it up. | ||
| They did and they do. | ||
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| We really do appreciate the sponsorship. | ||
| We'll grab your chats. | ||
| Don't forget, we're going to have the members-only Uncensored show coming up in about a half an hour. | ||
| I'm not going to be here. | ||
| Phil's going to be running the Uncensored show with all your call-ins because Alad and I have to leave at the wee hours of the morning to go to the White House, which I'm not sure Alad was supposed to say, but he said anyway, so now everyone knows. | ||
| It's a really exciting day tomorrow. | ||
| Hopefully we're still invited. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They sent out another email saying that TimCast is going to be in rotation at the White House press pool, which is a great privilege, and we're excited to be there. | ||
| Indeed, it will be fun. | ||
| But we will go to your superchats unless you wanted to make a point before we do. | ||
| Yeah, one last thing. | ||
| There was enough information in that text that the Israelis complained that their sources were compromised and they were upset about their sources via the apartment leak. | ||
| Interesting. Yeah, it was enough information to upset our allies. | ||
| Israel. Now I'm mad about it. | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| We like to have a good time. | ||
| We like to have a good time. | ||
| Good luck tomorrow in the White House. | ||
| That'll be fun. | ||
| Thanks. Oh, interesting. | ||
| We got so many super chats. | ||
| Guys, I hate to say this to you, but when we get too many, YouTube deletes some, which is really annoying because it shouldn't do that. | ||
| But we do have your rumble rants, and the chat is on fire tonight. | ||
| P. Kororod? | ||
| Is that how you say that? | ||
| With current events, I'm reminded of the book and movie Angels and Demons. | ||
| I quite enjoyed them, but what do you guys think of the story? | ||
| I don't know that one. | ||
| Angels and Demons, the war book? | ||
| No, no, it's the prequel to Da Vinci Code, I think. | ||
| Oh, that one, yeah. | ||
| Is that the one that has CERN in that one? | ||
| I prefer National Treasure with Nicolas Cage. | ||
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Nicolas Cage is one of our greatest actors. | |
| The Dan Diamond book? | ||
| Diamond? Who wrote it? | ||
| Not Dan Diamond. | ||
| Who wrote the Angels and Demons? | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| I feel like I read it at some point. | ||
| Angels in the Outfield? | ||
| I have to warn you, the chat is... | ||
| Spicy. Spicy. | ||
| St. Miles says, thanks, Tim, for bringing a Krasenstein clone on the show. | ||
| Dan Brown wrote it. | ||
| Dan Brown. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| I can't imagine that your fans would be fans of me, but you know what? | ||
| I like to go into the fire. | ||
| I'm not afraid. | ||
| It's respected. | ||
| It is respected. | ||
| I'm not afraid of the storm. | ||
| We appreciate you coming. | ||
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We do. | |
| It was fun. | ||
| In fact, I actually would like to engage more with people like you because I think it's important to have that kind of dialogue. | ||
| It's not like I came here thinking that you were going to be like a softball. | ||
| I actually think most people were enjoying it. | ||
| I hope you come back. | ||
| I will, actually. | ||
| Hopefully. Let's do it. | ||
| However, I'm going to try to find chats from people that are good, but these are the first few, okay? | ||
| So I'm just warning you. | ||
| Sousaw says, look, another reason women should never be in positions of power. | ||
| All emotion, no actual argument, and plays the I'm not able to speak on this BS. | ||
| Or I don't... | ||
| I just shoot out bullshit out of my mouth. | ||
| I like to be backed up. | ||
| Or maybe women want to be substantial and have substantial arguments. | ||
| I don't just say things with confidence and then everyone's like, yeah, she's right! | ||
| It's just that that's not how we work. | ||
| We're actually trying to be, you know, have some evidence. | ||
| Three Star Perfect Deer says, we finally get a guest, woman, who can talk against Tim's bulldozing off subjects. | ||
| Dumb, I bought a cheeseburger story and y'all hate her. | ||
| She's awesome and y'all are dudes with insecurities. | ||
| Thanks, guys. | ||
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There you go. | |
| You can find me at Tara Palmieri and I do interview people on both sides of the aisle. | ||
| And actually, last week I interviewed Rahm Emanuel and I gave it to him. | ||
| I asked him, you're going to appreciate this. | ||
| When did you know about Biden's conditions and who did you tell? | ||
| And he was very flustered. | ||
| It made news. | ||
| It was everywhere, probably on some of the websites you read, because he had a hard time. | ||
| I was like, you were in a very top position in a strategic place in the world, so why didn't you? | ||
| Yeah, and then he said to me, I was like, are you going to run in 2028? | ||
| Because that's obviously why he's on podcasts. | ||
| And he was obviously very squirmy about that, and I was just like, stop being a politician. | ||
| How long ago was that? | ||
| It was last week. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Because I was under the impression that he was going to get a job in the financial world? | ||
| He already has a job there, but he's running in 2028. | ||
| Really? Yeah, he's got a sub stack. | ||
| This is like a thing right now. | ||
| So all these Democrats are now out there doing podcasts. | ||
| They're trying to catch up. | ||
| Newsom's got a podcast. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| All these demons trying to infiltrate. | ||
| It was my sense that because he had kind of decided to go into the financial world, that was kind of being like, okay, the Democrat party's not really for me this round. | ||
| I feel like that's a bad vibe. | ||
| If you're in the financial world, especially now, Democrats... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Okay, he not only is working in the financial world, he's got... | ||
| He works for the Washington Post and CNN. | ||
| I mean, it's just such a weird... | ||
| I think they're trying to... | ||
| They're like 15 years behind the Republicans right now when it comes to media and they're catching up and it's really awkward and kind of like... | ||
| Listen, I'm happy to have guests on my show, but I do look at it and I'm just like... | ||
| I think every single person who worked for Biden needs to answer in their first question, what did you know, when did you know it, and why didn't you say anything? | ||
| The crazy thing to me about liberal podcasters... | ||
| And that's accountability. | ||
| The crazy thing about liberal personalities and podcasters to me is that they have arguments they can make that they never do. | ||
| The arguments they present are usually half-brained and easily dismantled. | ||
| And I'm just like... | ||
| Who's, like, one of the liberal podcasters that you pay attention to and watch? | ||
| Pac-Man. | ||
| Oh, would you call him a podcaster, though? | ||
| He's more of a... | ||
| Bill Maher? | ||
| Bill Maher, I wouldn't call him... | ||
| He's a podcaster now. | ||
| But Bill Maher's issue is not so much that he's got bad... | ||
| Like, his arguments are easily debunked. | ||
| It's that he's missing a lot of the facts. | ||
| He's trying, though. | ||
| So, I do think for him... | ||
| He's also a comedian. | ||
| Well, he hosts one of the premier political talk shows in the country for the past year. | ||
| Comedians not talk about war? | ||
| What was that? | ||
| I was just gonna say... | ||
| No, like, Bill Maher... | ||
| Bill Maher is not... | ||
| I don't think it's fair to call him a comedian. | ||
| And what I mean by that is he is a political commentator and comedian. | ||
| And I believe comedian is the subset because his principal shtick for his whole life, as long as I've known him, I should say, since I was a kid with Politically Incorrect, has always been talking about politics and then being kind of funny about it. | ||
| He's a comedian like Colbert is a comedian. | ||
| Like they're late night guys. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Like Colbert is literally just a comedian. | ||
| Colbert's a propagandist, but... | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| My point is... | ||
| Colbert, John Oliver, they're writing jokes and trying to jam politics into it. | ||
| Bill Maher is talking politics and then trying to sometimes make a joke. | ||
| So I view Bill Maher first as a pundit political commentary guy. | ||
| He has monologues, though, on his show. | ||
| They try to be funny. | ||
| And he does stand-up, but it's like you never think of his stand-up. | ||
| He actually trained in comedy, though, for most of his life. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah. But my point is, what is your principal role? | ||
| And for Colbert, it's a talk show. | ||
| It's entertainment, it's whatever. | ||
| So he's a comedian, and they do some politics. | ||
| John Oliver, it's make jokes, but make it political. | ||
| Bill Maher is talk politics on Friday night with a variety of high-profile political guests, and then do a monologue or something before or after the fact. | ||
| So the show is largely political. | ||
| All right, let's grab... | ||
| Kay Shiloh Williams says, quote, I respect those reporters. | ||
| First mistake, journalists are worthy of nothing but contempt. | ||
| A den of snakes to the last. | ||
| They are a den of snakes. | ||
| I will agree that some of the worst infighting is in a newsroom. | ||
| Like, it is so hard to work together and just getting through the bureaucracy and the bullshit and the competitiveness. | ||
| Like, that is why I am so pro-independent media because, like, just dealing with everybody's... | ||
| Even different agendas. | ||
| It happens everywhere, though. | ||
| It's human nature. | ||
| It's human nature. | ||
| So the sooner you can get away from that, I think that's when you can do the best journalism. | ||
| The problem is some people need to have some experience, though, just learning how to be investigative and investigators and make choices like the kind that Tim brought up. | ||
| When do you go to print? | ||
| I wouldn't go on one source, you know what I mean? | ||
| But someone who maybe doesn't know it, they do, and then there goes their whole career. | ||
| Nobody's ever going to listen to anything. | ||
| They're like the boy who cried. | ||
| Well, so the issue with the corporate press today is that intelligence actors have been doing this for a long time, but largely in the past 20 years. | ||
| There is a particular individual who I will leave unnamed to avoid litigation. | ||
| But what the intelligence agencies did was they contacted her when she was very young, in an entry-level position at a publication, and said, I work for this organization. | ||
| I've got a story for you. | ||
| She was making a low salary. | ||
| She then goes to her boss and says, I was contacted by this person. | ||
| I have a source now in Insert Intelligence Agency. | ||
| And they say, wow, can you vet this person? | ||
| Indeed, vetted. | ||
| We have an official source in intelligence in the United States telling us Trump did bad thing. | ||
| Yep. Run it. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| Yeah. Story gets a million views. | ||
| Source high fives his buddies saying, operation success. | ||
| We fed bullshit to the media and she ran it. | ||
| Let's keep doing it. | ||
| The editor of the news organization knows a single source with a partisan bent is a bad source, but they're saying, I don't care. | ||
| We're a blog, and we're getting a million views an article, and we're making 20 grand every time she does this. | ||
| She gets promoted, she transfers, promotion, promotion, promotion, premiere on all the talk shows, late night hosts, all of that stuff. | ||
| And it was propped up by intelligence officers trying to push a narrative that was anti-Trump. | ||
| I've got another story that I can't show on YouTube. | ||
| So we will show in the uncensored portion. | ||
| I'll have Phil take it. | ||
| He'll understand when he sees the link that I pulled up. | ||
| Actually, I'll just describe it. | ||
| And then he can show the photo. | ||
| It's a photo of a dead girl. | ||
| And an award-winning, I believe it was an award-winning photo. | ||
| Except the real photo, in my opinion, that everybody recognizes as the real photo, is one of the photographers walked away from the gaggle and took a picture of all of the journalists huddling around a dead girl to get a photo. | ||
| And I believe the real photo that may have won the award was a spattering of journalists all getting the perfect angle of a corpse. | ||
| And that's what journalists are, vultures. | ||
| And that's why they call themselves vultures, because they know... | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| They do call themselves vultures. | ||
| I've never heard journalists revolt. | ||
| Indeed. What's the context of this? | ||
| What's the context of it? | ||
| How did the girl die? | ||
| Is it a war zone? | ||
| A 15-year-old died from a stray bullet in Haiti. | ||
| Okay, it's a war zone. | ||
| Well, it's Haiti. | ||
| I mean, it's a conflict zone. | ||
| It's a conflict zone. | ||
| I would call it a war zone in Haiti. | ||
| Well, there is a difference. | ||
| The distinction matters, right? | ||
| Because I've been in conflict, I've been in active conflict, but I've never been in war. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Maybe you don't want to use the word war. | ||
| One, two, three, four, five, six, seven journalists are all crowding around with photographs of her dead body. | ||
| But here's the question, though. | ||
| Does the picture of that woman, who is already dead, it's not like they were crowding around a girl who was gasping for her last breath, okay? | ||
| And again, this is actually a really interesting question. | ||
| What do you do as a journalist when you're around people who are suffering? | ||
| This is so crazy. | ||
| I'm not even making this up, but I put the video on my phone. | ||
| But last week I was walking down the street and I saw one man being attacked by seven people. | ||
| And he was just a security guard outside of a Lululemon. | ||
| And these guys were just like pummeling him, punching him. | ||
| Six guys. | ||
| And so I was like going up to him like, stop it, stop it. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| What do I do, right? | ||
| And then this girl comes out of nowhere and, like, punches me in the face, okay? | ||
| Wow. This is happening on 14th Street in New York City. | ||
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Yeah, you are. | |
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| And then I called 911, and then I stepped away, and I started recording it, because obviously, like, they saw me, and they punched me, although it wasn't a hard punch. | ||
| It was like, she couldn't hit, you know, you would appreciate this. | ||
| Women aren't the best at throwing punches, right? | ||
| So I was lucky in that case. | ||
| But I was recording it, and I got the, you know, I got the, luckily the police came. | ||
| They arrested two of the kids. | ||
| I gave them the, I have a question for you. | ||
| Let's say you're in an active conflict zone and a woman carrying a bag of groceries gets shot in the leg and falls down and she's bleeding. | ||
| Do you film that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I honestly have not been in that situation before. | ||
| And it's really hard. | ||
| That was the closest I had really gotten to, and that was just last week. | ||
| And my instinct was to jump in and try to save them. | ||
| The reason I ask is, journalists are conflicted on this point. | ||
| Yeah, it's a hard one. | ||
| I've been in numerous circumstances, maybe you have a lot, where, say, a cop clubbed some activist over the head and left them bleeding. | ||
| And they've got medics tending to their wounds, and they scream, stop filming me. | ||
| And the journalists on scene, so this actually happened in Chicago during NATO protests 10 years ago. | ||
| There was a group of protesters. | ||
| The cops were pushing the group out. | ||
| Don't know how it started. | ||
| I'll blame the protesters when they actually start the violence, but I don't know who did at this point. | ||
| One of the guys got hit in the head by a cop with a billy club. | ||
| They were bleeding, brought to the side, and then journalists started crowding around filming. | ||
| And the person started screaming, get away from me, stop filming me. | ||
| The medic said, stop filming him. | ||
| And the journalist said, we have to film this. | ||
| We have to show the world what they're doing. | ||
| So then the activists physically attacked the group of protesters, formed a line and then screamed, charged the journalists and started attacking the journalists. | ||
| No, I mean, listen, it's not, I don't, it's a hard situation to be in. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a really, but I think you can't like paint that entire profession. | ||
| Listen, journalists have a very low approval rating. | ||
| They already have about, what is it, like 23%? | ||
| They're basically at Congress level. | ||
| A couple of things on this. | ||
| As somebody who's been field reporting for over five years, and my experience with other journalists in the field makes me totally self-loathing. | ||
| A lot of these reporters and camera people are absolutely some of the worst people you could imagine. | ||
| Tim's spot on when he was describing them as vultures. | ||
| I do come across some moral quandaries, though, in my reporting. | ||
| So, for example, For example, protesters do get mad at me when I film them doing illegal stuff. | ||
| And do they have the right to be? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Is it understandable, though? | ||
| Guys, here you go. | ||
| You want to just read that for me? | ||
| It's too small. | ||
| A secret Facebook... | ||
| Oh, no, start from the beginning. | ||
| The Vulture Club refers to a secret Facebook group for freelance journalists to share information and resources related to news production, particularly concerning fixers, safety, and other aspects of international news gathering. | ||
| It is a platform where journalists can ask for advice and connect with other freelancers who have experience in specific regions or situations. | ||
| Is it tongue-in-cheek, or is this really, like... | ||
| With a grain of truth, I mean... | ||
| So, for eight or so years, I covered conflict and crisis explicitly. | ||
| These people are vultures. | ||
| Yeah, you would know. | ||
| You were there. | ||
| I'm not taking that away from you. | ||
| These are people who are like, guys, guys, we got a dead body. | ||
| Let's roll. | ||
| Yeah. And I'm like, look. | ||
| I mean, you were also working at Vice, too, which wanted provocative content. | ||
| Oh, bro. | ||
| Vice? You know what Vice would do? | ||
| What would they do? | ||
| So during Ferguson, I was doing the actual news coverage of the Ferguson riots. | ||
| Yeah. And we were told that the documentary crew was coming out with, you know, I'll just leave them unnamed because it's bad enough I'm telling the story. | ||
| And so I'm like, awesome. | ||
| These guys are great. | ||
| I love the documentaries. | ||
| Let's meet up with them. | ||
| They showed up. | ||
| The host walked up on West Florissant, turned around, looked at the camera, lit a cigarette. | ||
| The riots are getting pretty intense, but we're going to stick with it. | ||
| And, you know, we'll see how these things play out. | ||
| Put a cigarette out. | ||
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All right. | |
| We'll see you guys. | ||
| We got a flight. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| The rest was B-roll. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Here's the question. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Here's the question, Tim. | ||
| Do you think there should be no journalists? | ||
| There should be journalists. | ||
| Okay. But there should be real journalism. | ||
| Okay. And what's real journalism to you? | ||
| Truth, facts, data. | ||
| Okay. And that's what we're all trying to do, right? | ||
| No. Not even close. | ||
| I think 90% of journalists... | ||
| I mean, you should know... | ||
| Even in the spaces that I occupy, it seems like everybody has an axe to grind. | ||
| Everybody's politically motivated. | ||
| Nobody just seeks... | ||
| You know what actually bothers me more than having an axe to grind, to be honest? | ||
| Is not actually pushing hard enough. | ||
| Like people who are going for agenda journalism, that to me is the, not agenda, access journalism to me is the worst type of journalism. | ||
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I agree. | |
| That is when you are trying to get interviews and you are willing to look past things and you're just trying to cozy up to people. | ||
| That's literally the whole media and the entire Biden administration. | ||
| We all agree. | ||
| We all agree. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Why do these journalists, why are they attacking? | ||
| Us. So mercilessly for simply being at the White House. | ||
| I don't think you should be attacked. | ||
| In fact, I've said this. | ||
| I said it on TMZ. | ||
| No, I'm not saying you do. | ||
| I'm asking why they're doing it. | ||
| I think... | ||
| That's not journalism, right? | ||
| No, here's the thing. | ||
| The New York Times did it. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| I think this is the... | ||
| Here's the facts. | ||
| The media has changed so much and that the room does not reflect that change. | ||
| The room does not reflect the fact that you have a million or so, maybe more, you know, people watching you on YouTube. | ||
| You have huge reach. | ||
| That is probably bigger than a lot of the people in that room, especially the state of the media that it is right now. | ||
| So it needs a revamp. | ||
| Absolutely. There's no doubt about that. | ||
| There's not a lot of space. | ||
| They need to blow up that whole newsroom completely and create a bigger newsroom. | ||
| But it's not about you guys. | ||
| It's not about you. | ||
| And it's not about you being in there. | ||
| It's about the idea, I think, that the administration gets to pick the pool. | ||
| And when you hand over the keys to the administration, that's a problem. | ||
| So the issue we have is, let's start with the very fine people hoax. | ||
| Are you familiar with that? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Every major news outlet reported that Trump called neo-Nazis very fine people, which he did not. | ||
| He said there were good people on both sides. | ||
| He said, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis or the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally. | ||
| Is that the full quote? | ||
| Yes. Oh my goodness. | ||
| You didn't know that. | ||
| I mean, I have to look back on it. | ||
| Wait, now can you pull up the video of it? | ||
| Just so, you know, because we were wrong about the HXF stuff. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| But, um, kind of what I was getting back to. | ||
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This is the only video we're pulling up. | |
| No, journalists, I mean, you tried to pull up many earlier. | ||
| But I guess the point, uh, the point again is, as you were trying to describe it. | ||
| Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. | ||
| I just got snopes for you. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Tara, just take a look. | ||
| No, Trump did not call neonates and white supremacists very fine people. | ||
| I mean, this was, this is how Biden launched his campaign. | ||
| And so my point is, these people in the White House, in this press pool, are not journalists. | ||
| Right now they're pushing the Maryland man hoax, where they say Abrego Garcia is a Maryland father. | ||
| Well, he's not. | ||
| He's an El Salvador citizen. | ||
| He's not a Maryland man. | ||
| But they're doing this as a framing narrative. | ||
| We call it factual but not truthful. | ||
| All right, I've got to ask you the rudest question. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Let me really buckle up. | ||
| Jonathan Foreman says, Tim, ask her, how would she have felt if she didn't have breakfast yesterday? | ||
| Let me think about that. | ||
| I had breakfast yesterday. | ||
| Probably not great today. | ||
| What is that supposed to mean? | ||
| Is that some sort of like a pun or something or something dirty that I don't understand? | ||
| Nope. Just as factual? | ||
| I give you a C+. | ||
| I think you answered it correctly. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| You said, I probably wouldn't feel that good. | ||
| The question is to... | ||
| It's part of a meme related to an individual who claimed to be a prison psychotherapist, psychologist, who said that people with IQs under 80... | ||
| Can't understand conditional hypotheticals. | ||
| And so they would go to prisons and ask a prisoner, an inmate, if you did not have breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt? | ||
| And they say things like, but I did have breakfast. | ||
| And they would say, yes, but if you did not, how would you have felt? | ||
| They go, what do you mean? | ||
| I had breakfast. | ||
| Failing to understand the conditional hypothetical signifies a lower perspicacity, as it were. | ||
| Oh, well, thank you. | ||
| I appreciate that, as I'm sure they're also like, she's a fucking idiot! | ||
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She passed, boys! | |
| She said, I probably wouldn't have felt great. | ||
| But also, yeah. | ||
| I'm sure there are just as many people saying nice things about you. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure they love you. | ||
| Well, yeah, I try to rate them when they're saying, you know, Tim Sox. | ||
| You guys are, you're not getting a fair representation in me, but that's okay. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| I came into the lion's den, but I'm a lioness, okay? | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| I want more questions. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| L33B says, have you heard of Palmer Luckey? | ||
| He created the Oculus Rift and got fired by Facebook for supporting Trump in 2016. | ||
| He would be a great guest. | ||
| Indeed he would. | ||
| I've actually talked to him before. | ||
| He is Matt Gaetz's brother-in-law, too, right? | ||
| Really? Yep. | ||
| He's Matt Gaetz's brother-in-law. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| You can see it in his Wikipedia page. | ||
| I'm not making it up. | ||
| Palmer Luckey is... | ||
| There's a story that said that Palmer Luckey, Elon Musk, and the guys from Palantir are going to be the ones that are doing the Golden Dome. | ||
| Yeah, but Elon denied that. | ||
| Can I ask you a question? | ||
| Andrew, I think, is the name of his company. | ||
| When was the last time that you criticized Elon Musk? | ||
| Probably recently. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What did you say? | ||
| There are people that hate Elon Musk. | ||
| What do you think about him? | ||
| Yeah, I think we've talked about how AI is going to destroy the world and he only bought X so he can get access to the fire hose so that he can create an AI system which is going to destroy the earth. | ||
| He's a degenerate, anti-human, transhumanist. | ||
| He's got 14 kids and he probably should be a dad to one of them. | ||
| He's way too open to... | ||
| Oh wait, I thought you were the one who was saying that we should repopulate the earth, right? | ||
| I do not believe that I am wearing a ring, and I believe in death before dishonor. | ||
| Elon Musk... | ||
| Wow, that's righteous. | ||
| I have tremendous respect for his... | ||
| I'm a big fan of him scientifically, but morally, he is far from virtue, and that's me being very nice. | ||
| That's very nice. | ||
| His business dealings in China have him compromised, I believe. | ||
| We've criticized... | ||
| Yeah, he censored people when he claims he—how about this? | ||
| I polled my ad campaign promise of $250,000 from X because he reinstated the misgendering policy. | ||
| I said that much. | ||
| And with all due respect to Elon, as much as we've routinely brought these things up, he follows me on X. Like, he doesn't seem to be a baby about being criticized. | ||
| Because he wants to feed your ideas and to grok. | ||
| I mean, he doesn't need to follow me to do that. | ||
| Well, he wants it, though. | ||
| Yes, true. | ||
| But, you know, he— That's true. | ||
| I can respect that. | ||
| We have criticized him over his misgendering policy, his censorship in Brazil. | ||
| We've criticized him over being a dad to probably, they say 14, but it may be more. | ||
| Yeah, it's conservative. | ||
| But I also deeply respect his mission to Mars. | ||
| I think Tesla is a great company. | ||
| And I can respect that as long as you're actually reporting accurately, even if you're critical, he seems to be fine with it. | ||
| And the left hates him for all the wrong reasons. | ||
| Indeed. Why is that? | ||
| Because they think he's a Nazi who's going to take over. | ||
| I think he's going to take over, but he's not a Nazi. | ||
| I think he's trying to install an AI government. | ||
| I even stated when he threw his heart out, how does one accidentally do that? | ||
| They hate him only because he's associated with Trump. | ||
| It's literally the only reason. | ||
| If it wasn't for the fact that he's... | ||
| I mean, he says some crazy shit, too. | ||
| They would give him the pass if it wasn't for him being involved in politics. | ||
| They did, though. | ||
| They made Tesla the biggest electric car manufacturer in the world. | ||
| Listen, I don't disagree. | ||
| If he gave $250 million to the Democrats, we wouldn't be talking about it. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| He could do whatever he wants. | ||
| He should be because he's creating the apparatus for AI to funnel into the military. | ||
| Ask me when the last time I criticized Trump was. | ||
| When he bombed Yemen recently. | ||
| And I have an interview with him where I asked him about Yemen and how Obama killed an American citizen. | ||
| And Trump said, you don't have to do that. | ||
| We can negotiate this. | ||
| And I said, we don't want war with Yemen. | ||
| No one's declared it. | ||
| And he agreed. | ||
| And then he does it. | ||
| And we're not happy about that. | ||
| But the issue is with Trump, the Trump administration and the people in his sphere, Charlie Kirk, for instance, they don't get mad if you criticize them. | ||
| They get mad if you lie about them. | ||
| If I say Charlie Kirk is wrong on TikTok and his flip-flop, I don't—why did he flip up on TikTok? | ||
| Charlie doesn't say, screw you, Tim, you're never welcome. | ||
| He invited us on stage at TPUSA. | ||
| And he's invited—there are a lot of people at TPUSA who are critical of Charlie or critical of people on the right. | ||
| This is the thing about the anti-establishment, now that I guess technically the establishment, although technically the institutions aren't completely converted. | ||
| But I can say Trump was wrong to launch a commando raid in Yemen in his first term, and he should be criminally investigated for the—and investigated, not saying charged, but there's an allegation that the raid resulted in the death of an American girl, a seven-year-old, the little sister of Abdurrahman al-Awlaki. | ||
| Now, the Obama administration admitted to killing Abdurrahman. | ||
| I think the DOJ should investigate it. | ||
| They're not going to. | ||
| Because no one's going to investigate and arrest Obama. | ||
| Trump would never do it either. | ||
| But this is why I like Dave Smith. | ||
| Because Dave Smith's a guy... | ||
| He goes on Fox or whatever, and then he starts arguing about the things that the Democrats are doing wrong, and they go, yeah, well, Trump did a bad thing, and he goes, you're right, he did! | ||
| I don't like him either! | ||
| It's like, the left thinks everyone who will defend Trump on one issue literally believe everything he does is good. | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm actually surprised to hear this, that you have... | ||
| The people who watch this show aren't. | ||
| Yeah. That's the funny thing about when people on the left say, so we had Ro Khanna on. | ||
| Yeah. And he said, people warned me not to go on your show. | ||
| They said it was far right or whatever, but you're actually kind of reasonable, moderate. | ||
| And I said, really nice. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like moderate, some liberal, like. | ||
| Did you like try to fact check him on everything and treat him like you treated me? | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Yeah. But it doesn't matter if you're a liberal conservative. | ||
| Otherwise, if you come here and say something, we'll pull it up. | ||
| Did you just keep saying like, you're a liberal, you're a liberal, you're a liberal, you're defending the liberals. | ||
| I said that I'm defending the corporate media over and over again. | ||
| But I think you missed the point. | ||
| Okay. You told me I was defending Trump by asking a question about motive, so I said you are attacking Trump, making the point that you are making towards me. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I'm not attacking Trump. | ||
| You said, why are you defending this administration? | ||
| You're defending that the signal gate was no big deal. | ||
| I'm not defending the administration. | ||
| I'm asking the question of what is the purpose of the story and why does it matter? | ||
| I think that it matters. | ||
| When you countered, I said, if you're making that point at me that I'm defending Trump by saying this, you claiming it matters is you attacking Trump. | ||
| I wasn't attacking Trump. | ||
| And I'm not defending him either. | ||
| You get my point. | ||
| So then they were clear. | ||
| Exactly. That's why I said that. | ||
| Now you understand. | ||
| But I think the thing that we disagree on is why that story matters. | ||
| Right. My point is neither of us are defending or attacking the administration for arguing over the merits of a story. | ||
| But you said I was defending it because I did. | ||
| So I said you were attacking Trump because you did. | ||
| Which is not to say you're literally. | ||
| I was making the point. | ||
| Yeah. But anyway, I digress. | ||
| We're going to go to that uncensored show, and I'm going to go to bed. | ||
| Because I've got to wake up at 5.30. | ||
| I've got to leave at 5.30 in the morning. | ||
| So I've got to wake up seven hours from now, get in a car, drive to D.C., and we're doing... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'll just leave it at that. | ||
| I'll leave it at that, because I don't know what we were supposed to say or not supposed to say. | ||
| But TimCast is on the official press announcement, so we're good. | ||
| Are you doing the... | ||
| Should we expect the regular show tomorrow as well, or you don't know? | ||
| So Libby will be hosting the morning show on the noon live. | ||
| And I believe that I will be able to record my morning segments as normal. | ||
| But I'll be doing it from the White House. | ||
| Can I ask you what's the first question? | ||
| Or for who? | ||
| For Trump. | ||
| I'm not talking to Trump. | ||
| Oh, I thought you were talking to Trump. | ||
| If I'd be lucky enough for him to take questions, I'll make you wait and see. | ||
| But honestly, you probably will. | ||
| You probably will get an audience with him. | ||
| I have three or four questions. | ||
| A lot asked Donald Trump if he knows who a woman is. | ||
| Yeah, my first question to Caroline Levitt was, what do they think about pardoning Derek Chauvin? | ||
| The second one was, what is a woman to Trump? | ||
| But you have to always be ready for him to let you into the Oval Office to ask a question. | ||
| So what, if you had a chance, would be your first question. | ||
| So like right now, boom, I'm bringing lead into the office. | ||
| President Trump, will you allow Hamas to stay in power in a post-war scenario? | ||
| Question two would be, President Trump, do you believe there's any national security concern when it comes to the quarter million... | ||
| You would not let Hamas remove control. | ||
| Don't you think it's huge if he says that publicly? | ||
| If he says it, yeah. | ||
| The significance? | ||
| No, of course there's no. | ||
| That means the war doesn't stop. | ||
| Yeah, that's gigantic, actually. | ||
| That means we have to wipe out Hamas. | ||
| He literally calls them terrorists every single day. | ||
| We're over. | ||
| We've got to go to the Uncensored show. | ||
| Smash the like button. | ||
| Share the show with everyone you know. | ||
| Go to rumble.com slash TimCastIRL for the uncensored show and the member call-in. | ||
| And I'm going to go to sleep, but Phil will be here to man the ship in my absence. | ||
| You can follow me on X on Instagram at TimCast. | ||
| Tara, do you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Yeah, follow me at Tara Palmieri on all of my accounts. | ||
| My YouTube channel I just started up. | ||
| It's at T-A-R-A-P-A-L-M-E-R-I. | ||
| That's just one I. You can follow me on Instagram and of course X. It's all the same at Tara Palmieri. | ||
| And sign up for my newsletter, The Red Letter, where you can get investigative journalism because I know some of you care about it. | ||
| Tara, that was a really pleasant podcast and I hope you can come back and do it again. | ||
| I mean that seriously. | ||
| I had a lot of fun. | ||
| I like it when people have different ideas and we kind of get into it on here. | ||
| Waffle says, can we do two more hours, please? | ||
| Hopefully soon. | ||
| Waffle, can I eat you for breakfast tomorrow? | ||
| I'm joking. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| My name is Alad Eliyahu. | ||
| You can find me and Tim tomorrow at the White House. | ||
| It's going to be very exciting. | ||
| We'll leave it at that for now. | ||
| Shane? Alright, it was a fun one. | ||
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| We will see you all over at rumble.com slash timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
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| for hanging out. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Okay. Just drag it over. | ||
| This one. | ||
| Yep. Hey, buddy! | ||
| Oh, that's sufficiently horrible. | ||
| So, are journalists vultures or not? | ||
| And that's the topic. | ||
| Are you guys really going to keep on this on me? | ||
| Well, listen, like I said, this is the unsensitive... | ||
| Truth to power! | ||
| What is the most important truth to power story you've broken, Tara? | ||
| Let's speak truth to power. | ||
| You want to know what was a really good truth to power story, which I'm sure you boys would love? | ||
| I hate that terminology, truth to power, because it's so subjective. | ||
| Go on, anyway. | ||
| I'm sorry, yeah. | ||
| When I worked at Politico, and it was like the beginning of the Biden administration during the honeymoon. | ||
| I don't know if you guys remember this, but one of his staffers got fired for screaming at a reporter. | ||
| I do, yes. | ||
| That was me. | ||
| Yeah, so I already did not have the best relationship with their administration, but I had him go fuck themselves. | ||
| Why did they yell at you? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He said, I'm going to come after you, and this and that. | ||
| Who was the staffer? | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| I'm not telling. | ||
| Who was the staffer? | ||
| I did my job. | ||
| I was reporting. | ||
| You've got to tell us more than that. | ||
| Wait a minute, you're the one who brought it up here. | ||
| Where's the truth to power? | ||
| I don't want to go into it. | ||
| Fucking don't bring it up. | ||
| Yeah, truth to power. | ||
| You can Google it. | ||
| It's everywhere. | ||
| You're right here. | ||
| You only got fired. | ||
| What? Nobody knows your story like that. | ||
| You really need to tell us. | ||
| I don't like to rehash it. | ||
| Come on, the Biden is just a garbage administration. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| Okay, so basically, like, it was a... | ||
| Stupid story, honestly, at the time. | ||
| But I thought it was interesting that Biden's deputy press secretary was dating a journalist. | ||
| And I was like, in the case of journalism, I thought, like, this is... | ||
| And it really wasn't even... | ||
| In the press room? | ||
| One of the journalists in the press room? | ||
| She was on the campaign trail, and then she was going to cover the administration. | ||
| Oh. Yeah, so... | ||
| Get to know each other, get that... | ||
| That's very common, by the way. | ||
| That work girlfriend kind of thing, right? | ||
| That's real access journalism. | ||
| It's actually not that common, to be honest. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| I know you think it's common. | ||
| I feel like I've heard that multiple times. | ||
| It happens from time to time, but it's not that common. | ||
|
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Who was it? | |
| Let's hear names. | ||
| I just don't feel like going into it. | ||
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You can Google it. | |
| Yeah, you can Google it. | ||
| I don't need to rehash an old story. | ||
| So regardless, guy loses his job. | ||
| The whole pretext is to say that I am not... | ||
| The favored reporter at Politico covering the Biden administration. | ||
| Wait, I'm sorry. | ||
| Was that first part of the story Truth to Power 2, talking about... | ||
| Yeah, I was the one who was baldy enough. | ||
| Everyone in the press corps knew about it, and I was the only one who made a phone call and said, hey, what's going on here? | ||
| Everybody knew about it, and I actually made a call. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Truth to power. | ||
| Well, that's because no one else wanted to make a phone call or mention it because they wanted the access. | ||
| Exactly. I don't care about the access. | ||
| That's something that I've been talking about that I talk about constantly. | ||
| Because I'm trying to get the story. | ||
| There's so many people in Washington that are more interested in access than anything else. | ||
| Totally. Because money isn't as good as being able to pick up the phone and saying, hey, can you help me out here? | ||
| You can make money, but the point of money is... | ||
| So much of the journalism that happens to in the press room, which is why I told you it doesn't really matter, is performative journalism. | ||
| It's not actually, like, real. | ||
| The real stories are outside of the press room. | ||
| But that's just a pretext to the real story that I was going to tell you about. | ||
| I learned about this whole Hunter Biden thing with the gun. | ||
| And the whole story with the gun where he threw his, you know, threw the gun in the garbage and I went to Delaware and I tracked it all down and I got the form that he lied on and he said he wasn't. | ||
| 1473. Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I did all the reporting. | ||
| It had not been reported yet. | ||
| And then I found out that the Secret Service was involved. | ||
| And so I did this big story and it took me months and months and months, not just to stand it up to the level of what, you know. | ||
| I was talking about with Tim, but to convince my editors to publish it, which was very frustrating to me as a journalist that I had to spend so much time. | ||
| And I felt, honestly, that if it was a story about the Trump kids... | ||
| Of course! | ||
| That's literally what we're talking about all the time! | ||
| Yes, but here's the thing. | ||
| If I had a story about the Trump kids, I would do the same thing too. | ||
| I would report it out. | ||
| Yeah, but the point that Tim was making and the point that we're generally making is exactly like you're saying. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I don't agree with your premise, but I don't disagree with the fact that the actual news... | ||
| What do you mean the premise? | ||
| I don't agree with the premise that there is a lot of agenda, and it tends to be liberal in the mainstream media. | ||
| You don't agree with that? | ||
| I agree with it. | ||
| I agree with it. | ||
| I also worked for conservative publications. | ||
| I worked for two conservative publications. | ||
| What was the part that you said? | ||
| You said you don't agree with the premise. | ||
| What's the premise that you don't agree with? | ||
| I don't agree with the premise that the information should not come out. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, I believe that ultimately more information is better. | ||
| Sunlight is better, essentially. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| And so I worked at conservative publications, and at the conservative publications, it was a different slant. | ||
| And then when I worked at liberal publications, it was a different slant. | ||
| And so I struggled. | ||
| I knew that if I work at this publication, I'm probably going to have to fight and kill. | ||
| Do you feel like there's any place that doesn't have a slant? | ||
| No, and that's why I work for myself. | ||
| That's what I was saying. | ||
| That's why I work for myself. | ||
| Really? So there is nowhere. | ||
| The days of journalism actually being straight up the middle or whatever, if it ever did exist, it's definitely gone now. | ||
| Probably the Wall Street Journal is a really good place to go for news. | ||
| I think they're pretty fair. | ||
| They did a lot of aggressive reporting on Joe Biden and his decline when it was considered like, ooh, you can't do that. | ||
| It's not polite society. | ||
| I went on Bill Maher and said he literally is a zombie. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But I was still covering it as a journalist. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So the point is that it's very hard to find a place that does not have an agenda. | ||
| And I think for me, if people ask me, what should you watch or read? | ||
| I'm like, just read the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| I do think the Times, there are great reporters there that I've worked with at the New York Post, by the way. | ||
| Like Maggie Haberman, she's a great reporter, honestly. | ||
| And so when her byline is done on the story about Pete Hegseth and there's no denial from the... | ||
| The chief spokesperson, I gotta think, this story's pretty tight. | ||
| And that's why I said beware of defending them too much, because we don't know what's coming. | ||
| And listen, not everyone in the business is great. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| And the problem with Me Too, and this is why I could never be a politician or really I don't work well in big organizations, is I have this sort of anti-establishment thing inside of me or I really question authority. | ||
| I always have, which kind of makes, frankly, a good reporter. | ||
| Self-destructive. | ||
| Yeah. No, you raise your hand and you're like, but why? | ||
| But why? | ||
| But why? | ||
| The kid in the class, the teacher, is like, can you just shut up? | ||
| And so that makes it hard to be in places where clicks matter. | ||
| And the sheep follow one way and everyone's afraid to have a different voice or to have a different way of thinking. | ||
| And so I think when you work in a news organization, it's really hard to stand out. | ||
| And by the way, I will tell you, after that Biden story and a few others that were critical of the administration, suddenly, I'm not working on Playbook anymore. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Suddenly, I'm not. | ||
| I've been demoted to chief. | ||
| You know, White House, what did they call me? | ||
| Chief National Correspondent. | ||
| And, like, they were like, oh, you know, you don't get along with this person or that. | ||
| I'm like, because I'm fighting for stories. | ||
| I'm fighting for news to be broken. | ||
| And it's like, that's where you kind of get to this point where you're, like, in your career. | ||
| And I will say, though, when I lived in Brussels, though, and I covered the European Union and Brexit and all that other stuff, I didn't really have those problems as much because it's less political. | ||
| Well, because nobody in America gives a fuck what anyone in Europe thinks. | ||
| So nobody's trying to get in their, like, get in their phone book. | ||
| Yeah, I was just, like, I was just, I was. | ||
| Okay, well, you know, the Prime Minister, though, at the time, David Cameron, did call my boss and was like, how is she getting all these stories about Brexit? | ||
| Like, she's just this American girl. | ||
| And I figured out the whole system, essentially, about how to... | ||
| To really break stories there. | ||
| But the point is I didn't face that much. | ||
| I had a great time because I didn't face that much resistance. | ||
| I just did my job. | ||
| And nobody got in my way. | ||
| And they weren't like, hey. | ||
| Welcome to America. | ||
| That's not the way it is around here. | ||
| And so everyone's just fighting. | ||
| And here's another problem. | ||
| Here's another dynamic as we trash journalists. | ||
| There aren't a lot of jobs in journalism. | ||
| People are hanging on for dear lives. | ||
| And so. | ||
| I wasn't really seeing your... | ||
| Is that a symptom of the internet or is that a symptom of... | ||
| Is that because your papers are going away? | ||
| What's the main cause? | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| Authenticity. And yes, bad choices. | ||
| Bad choices that were made by the ones that we've sort of alluded to. | ||
| Bad choices. | ||
| People losing trust in the media. | ||
| I think Trump and his fake news campaign hasn't helped. | ||
| But I also just think newspapers in general have gotten skinnier because of lack of ads. | ||
| Two things. | ||
| So first of all, you mentioned Trump and his fake news. | ||
| You understand why he said that, though, right? | ||
| The whole, when he's... | ||
| The Russia stuff. | ||
| Well, no, not just the Russia stuff, but also the very fine people hoax. | ||
| That kind of stuff is why he said that. | ||
| He said it on camera, so I don't understand why there was a... | ||
| I think people were just offended that he didn't even acknowledge... | ||
| But the point that was made, and Barack Obama made the same lie. | ||
| The whole point of Joe Biden running for president was because he said that he was defending... | ||
| He said that Donald Trump was defending Nazis. | ||
| But who were the fine people on the other side? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| No, but I want to know who are they? | ||
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Who are the fine people with the torches? | |
| The day that they're talking about was a... | ||
| You're kind of talking about both sides of your mouth. | ||
| No, listen. | ||
| The day that they were talking about... | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| The day they were talking about was a free speech talk when they were pulling down statues of southern confederates. | ||
| And there were Nazi, actual Nazis that went there. | ||
| But he was talking about the people that were not associated with the Nazis because there were free speech people there saying that this is a free speech issue. | ||
| And so Trump was talking about the people that were there that were protesting about free speech, not about Nazis. | ||
| I never really thought of Trump as like a... | ||
| Free speech activist. | ||
| He specifically articulated this shit. | ||
| Not just kind of minced around or whatever. | ||
| He specifically articulated that. | ||
| Maybe you don't believe him. | ||
| Maybe you have a gut instinct that says no. | ||
| My gut instinct says that some of those fine people on the other side were probably some of them voted for Trump and he didn't want to offend them. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| The point is that there were some people there that weren't there because they were looking to defend Nazis or whatever. | ||
| There were people that were not affiliated with Nazis at all. | ||
| There were just normal people. | ||
| There were a shitload of Southerners that were like, this is fucked up. | ||
| You're not taking our fucking heritage down. | ||
| Now, whether or not you agree with it doesn't change the fact that they're not like, hey man, let's get ready for the thousand year Reich, homie. | ||
| They're literally there saying, don't pull down these statues. | ||
| And it's totally... | ||
| I get that, but who feels that passionately about going to a free speech rally over a confederate? | ||
| Because we don't want to erase history. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| Because we don't want to erase history. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But also, it was a very important part of American history. | ||
| Look at the time. | ||
| I agree that we don't want to erase history, but like... | ||
| Monuments. You put great people on monuments. | ||
| You also put monuments to massacres. | ||
| You bring your children to these things to show them a physical thing. | ||
| The way that he, the position of that monument was not like the position of a massacre. | ||
| It wasn't like a wall with all the names on it. | ||
| Listen, again, you can have your own opinion. | ||
| What if there was like a Hitler monument in Germany? | ||
| I don't care what people do. | ||
| What the fuck do you think Auschwitz is? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| That's not a monument to Hitler. | ||
| That is a monument to the people who lost their lives. | ||
| It speaks about his atrocity. | ||
| And how they still revere all their war criminals from World War II? | ||
| Yeah, because they think they're on the right side of history in their minds. | ||
| Everybody thinks you're on the right side of history. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| Jeremy doesn't think that Hitler was on the right side of history. | ||
| Oh, that's because that was pretty bad. | ||
| Yeah, that was really bad. | ||
| Because that was kind of bad. | ||
| Yeah, that was really bad. | ||
| Russians don't think that Stalin, or a lot of Russians don't think Stalin was on the wrong side of history. | ||
| And Stalin killed way more fucking people than Hitler. | ||
| And if you talk to, like, even when you go back into our wars. | ||
| No, but no, no, listen, no, no, no. | ||
| If you talk to a lot of people. | ||
| Hold on, hold the fuck on. | ||
| You just said, oh, well, obviously Hitler was bad because he killed more people. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Hitler... It was a systematic genocide. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| You said the Germans don't think Hitler was good because they were so bad. | ||
| But then I said, well, the Russians generally don't think Stalin's bad and he killed more people than fucking Hitler. | ||
| So the point that I'm making is it's not that everybody always thinks that they're on the right side of history. | ||
| I would disagree with this. | ||
| Or they were on. | ||
| Okay. As having a mother who literally immigrated here from the Soviet Union, they don't... | ||
| And like... | ||
| Not all. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| But you still don't get the same... | ||
| You get fucking American kids that are like, nah, Stalin was great, man. | ||
| Really? In fucking Brooklyn, of course! | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| Like, you have communists all over goddamn New York City. | ||
| Okay, but what's the line between, like, hate speech and terrorism? | ||
| There is no such thing as hate speech. | ||
| Terrorism is when you are actually calling for violence. | ||
| If you are actually calling for active violence right now, like, we need to go grab the pitchfork. | ||
| There was violence at that event. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| That's not the same thing. | ||
| Yeah. Because they're not calling for violence. | ||
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It just happened. | |
| And just because there was violence? | ||
| Yeah. I mean, like, that doesn't mean that they were calling, that everybody there was calling for violence. | ||
| Either way, the fact that you're, like, making, you're sitting here doing the whole, well, you know, it kind of was kind of bad. | ||
| No, it was bad. | ||
| No, no, talking about what Trump said. | ||
| He was parsing his words. | ||
| He was speaking out of two sides of his mouth. | ||
| No, the fuck he wasn't! | ||
| Yes, he was. | ||
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This is why. | |
| He had to add a qualifier. | ||
| This is why. | ||
| No, he didn't. | ||
| He specifically said, and I'm not talking about the Nazis. | ||
| And everything you saw was a deceptively edited video. | ||
| And that's why you were brainwashed into thinking otherwise. | ||
| He articulated. | ||
| Listen, he articulated. | ||
| I'm not calling you names. | ||
| I'm not getting into any of that shit. | ||
| I'm telling you, he articulated that I'm not talking about the white... | ||
| He said this. | ||
| He didn't say, like, First Amendment. | ||
| He said, I just pulled it up. | ||
| You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. | ||
| The press has treated them absolutely unfairly. | ||
| Yes. Other than. | ||
| And he said, I'm not talking about the white nationalists and the neo-Nazis. | ||
| You also had some very fine people on both sides. | ||
| Yes. The very fine people on both sides comment. | ||
| There's no disputing that he said that. | ||
| Because he was talking about the people that were protesting. | ||
| Because there was that poor girl that got killed that got run over. | ||
| Guys, I don't really want to keep going into this because it was an atrocious moment. | ||
| And I feel like if you can't have any moral... | ||
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Do you guys want to pull the clip up and watch it that you don't understand? | |
| I'm not calling you names, I'm not insulting you or anything, but the point is, he made specific comments that were- he made a specific- Statement. | ||
| Not talking about these people, but you're still like, well, you know, and kind of bad. | ||
| It wasn't great. | ||
| It wasn't great. | ||
| Again, you're sitting here saying, well, you know, you're doubling. | ||
| It wasn't great. | ||
| It wasn't great. | ||
| Okay, we got to go to the... | ||
| Yeah, let's just move on. | ||
| We can't get Discord to work? | ||
| Yeah, I'm so happy it's not working. | ||
| Can we just keep going? | ||
| Because I really don't want to rehash something that happened in 2017 and it's not a great moment. | ||
| We're talking about... | ||
| Okay. Why won't it? | ||
| You don't know? | ||
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No, I don't. | |
| All right. | ||
| And by the way, as someone who's covered President Trump for a very long time, like since I was 22, since the New York Post, this is what he does. | ||
| This is how he talks. | ||
| I thought you didn't want to go into it again. | ||
| Yeah, fine. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| But that's just how he does it, you know? | ||
| Well, okay, so... | ||
| Essentially, you're saying that you're not buying that the very fine people hoax was a hoax. | ||
| I don't think it was a hoax. | ||
| You think that he actually was parsing his words because he didn't want to offend the neo-Nazis? | ||
| Yeah. Okay. | ||
| Yeah. Well, I don't have... | ||
| We don't have the ability... | ||
| Not necessarily the neo-Nazis, but the people who are sympathizers of the Confederates. | ||
| Confederate sympathizers. | ||
| That's perfectly acceptable behavior. | ||
| I mean, sure. | ||
| But the point that I'm... | ||
| If you are a sympathizer of the Confederates, which a lot of people are in the South, which... | ||
| Liking Abraham Lincoln is just as bad as liking the Confederates. | ||
| Why? How? | ||
| Because he was evil and racist and a tyrant. | ||
| How was he evil and racist? | ||
| He threw a lot of people in jail unlawfully that he thought were his enemy. | ||
| No due process there. | ||
| Yeah, he said that if... | ||
| If enshrining slavery into the Constitution would save the Union, he'd do it. | ||
| And he said if getting rid of slavery is what it takes to save the Union, then he'll do that. | ||
| They were going to deport all the slaves to an island called Linconia, named after Lincoln. | ||
| I don't think there's any moral comparisons between Lincoln and any of the Confederates. | ||
| Lincoln was desperate to keep the country together, and the Confederates were determined to split it apart. | ||
| I think it's more fractured, though, honestly. | ||
| Because I think there's obviously more... | ||
| I mean, we could do this literally every topic. | ||
| We could literally go down this rabbit hole at every topic. | ||
| No, but just to... | ||
| No luck, huh? | ||
| As far as Lincoln goes, of course he did some things that were unconstitutional, but I mean, I think those were obviously extraordinary times, and I don't think we should whitewash what the Confederates were trying to accomplish. | ||
| Secession is probably like Xi Jinping's wet dream. | ||
| Like, I couldn't think of something that makes... | ||
| I just don't agree with total war. | ||
| I also just don't believe in, like, the enslavement of humans. | ||
| A lot of people in the North did, though. | ||
| Okay, sure. | ||
| Sure, but I don't. | ||
| We're talking about the time frame. | ||
| I don't think that's a good thing. | ||
| In the same way that we talk about the Holocaust, I don't believe in that either. | ||
| You don't believe the Holocaust happened? | ||
| No, of course I believe it happened. | ||
| I have family that was in a camp. | ||
| Are you joking? | ||
| That was extermination. | ||
| No, but some people were put in slave camps, too. | ||
| To build alter... | ||
| No, some were put in camps to build bombs, to be used as human guinea pigs, essentially, like Bayer drugs. | ||
| They used... | ||
| My grandmother, for example, she was put in a camp in Hamburg, and she was not Jewish, but they used her as a child to try drugs. | ||
| Was she a gypsy? | ||
| No, she's a pole. | ||
| They put the Poles in camps, and they called them family camps, but they were still concentration camps, and they worked them to build the artillery and the bombs that they needed to continue the war, and they used the children to try out their drugs. | ||
| I mean, it's not the same thing as what happened to the Jews by far. | ||
| I mean, what happened to them is terrible, and they were immediately exterminated, which my grandmother told me too. | ||
| She was like, it was not the same. | ||
| We were basically put into two different lines. | ||
| But they were camps, and they were... | ||
| We're enslaved people until the war was over. | ||
| That happens a lot in wars, and it's horrible. | ||
| But people are enslaved during wars. | ||
| Prisoners of war. | ||
| And not to say that I don't know the full story on this Lincoln enslavement, but I do think just to be clear about history. | ||
| We were part of enslavement. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Slavery in the United States. | ||
| Slavery in the United States. | ||
| Okay. Yeah. | ||
| It's different, but the point is that, yes. | ||
| I don't even remember what the point was to begin with. | ||
| You think Lincoln is evil? | ||
| I don't even believe you think... | ||
| Yeah, I don't think we should be lionizing him. | ||
| All of our presidents are war criminals. | ||
| All of our presidents are war criminals? | ||
| I mean, fuck me, I guess. | ||
| Donald Trump's a war criminal? | ||
| You have to think Donald Trump too. | ||
| Silent Cal. | ||
| Donald Trump is a war criminal too. | ||
| I also think he should be tried for war speed. | ||
| What happened during Jimmy Carter? | ||
| Well, there was the... | ||
| A lot. | ||
| And the attempt to... | ||
| The contra, the gas shortages. | ||
| Didn't that happen? | ||
| Gas shortages doesn't make you a war criminal. | ||
| Oh, you're talking about war criminal. | ||
| I thought you were talking about bad things. | ||
| People were killing each other over it. | ||
| The botched attempt to go and free the... | ||
| I guess just because they're the head of state, they're responsible for anything. | ||
| The FBI, CIA, Pentagon. | ||
| Yeah, you kill... | ||
| Obama's a real criminal. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| I also disagree. | ||
| I don't think any of our presidents have been war criminals. | ||
| I think it's like an outrageous assertion. | ||
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Because you're a war hawk. | |
| And we love war. | ||
| Historically, every leader of every country is a war criminal. | ||
| Then every statist, every person who's ever been involved in government is involved in war crimes. | ||
| So, I mean, it's a crazy purity test, I think, to put somebody on. | ||
| What did you say? | ||
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What? I said, I need to get out of here. | |
| I feel like I'm being boxed in again. | ||
| No, we're arguing ourselves. | ||
| Okay, you're arguing. | ||
| You're arguing against me. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore. | ||
| Oh, because I said Lincoln like Hitler. | ||
| He's arguing that Lincoln is a war criminal. | ||
| He's arguing that all presidents are a war criminal. | ||
| Do you have gradients of war criminalism? | ||
| Do you judge them on different levels? | ||
| I think they just all start a lot of really bad things. | ||
| Bomb innocent people. | ||
| Obama, Bush, all use the same definition of what a terrorist is. | ||
| It's very vague. | ||
| Definition Trump used it too. | ||
| And they all use drones. | ||
| American presidents aside, wait. | ||
| What about Putin? | ||
| Is Putin a war criminal? | ||
| They're all war criminals. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Hey, I didn't know. | ||
| I'm talking about America a lot. | ||
| Some people say Putin is not a war criminal. | ||
| He's also a COVID tyrant. | ||
| They're all criminals. | ||
| Xi Jinping, of course. | ||
| He's got concentration camps. | ||
| Hey, I don't know. | ||
| It's odd because some people defend some of those guys. | ||
| So you're an equal... | ||
| I hate all these people. | ||
| Who's the guy from El Salvador again? | ||
| See, Chris Carr loves him. | ||
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I have issues with the dictators. | |
| Look, man, whatever your thoughts on Bukele, Bukele has done far more positive than he has negative. | ||
| I totally understand. | ||
| No question there. | ||
| I just don't trust... | ||
| Anyone with that much power over a country. | ||
| You're talking Tara's language. | ||
| Truth to power! | ||
| I don't think you can sustain that. | ||
| I don't think you can sustain that. | ||
| This is... | ||
| She's had enough. | ||
| No, it's been a lot. | ||
| It's been a lot. | ||
| It's 10.30 at night and you want me to think? | ||
| You okay? | ||
| We can't get the callers to... | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
| I think we should probably wrap it then. | ||
| Do we want to take a couple of Rumble Rants instead of the calls and maybe head out? | ||
| I don't know if there's a way for them to question... | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| I can't do it because he's running the computer. | ||
| Serge is fine. | ||
| Serge is an OG. | ||
| The point is I can't take Robo Rants because there's only one controller between these computers. | ||
| And I don't think, actually, I don't even, like, there's not, I don't want to take rumble rants, but at the same time, do we really want to beat up on Tara anymore? | ||
| Yeah, keep going. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I mean, if we... | ||
| Wow, Phil gave you the cleanest out for you to just turn down. | ||
| Yeah, no, I'm joking. | ||
| Is it cool? | ||
| Are we done? | ||
| Well, we're working on it. | ||
| So normally, normally what we do is we go to, we have our Discord and we go to callers on the Discord. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| How much? | ||
| I thought this was only like 10-30. | ||
| Okay, I was literally trying to explain. | ||
| Normally, we go to callers, and we have our Discord. | ||
| People call in, and they can ask questions, but our Discord has crashed, so... | ||
| Oh. Sign. | ||
| Yeah. It's a sign. | ||
| All right, well, thank you for being a good sport. | ||
| Guys. We appreciate you. | ||
| Lisa, just text me. | ||
| Where's my ice? | ||
| I've been in the boxing ring. | ||
| I feel like I'm the... | ||
| Our booker, Lisa, just text me, and I was like, you gotta bring her back. | ||
| Lisa, oh my god, I'm going to need to be paid for this one. | ||
| I don't know if you're going to feel up to it, but we would love to have you come back. | ||
| You're like, guys, we know that we're going to really box her in it. | ||
| Honestly, you know what? | ||
| I've got to say, my only regret was that I had read more about the immigrant case up front because I don't think I was truly prepared for that part. | ||
| And I think you should – I should admit regrets. | ||
| Normally – I didn't really know what was going on with the immigration. | ||
| I just think ultimately it's kind of another one of those 80-20 issues where – but I do worry about the president pushing the boundaries of his power and – Just think of FDR. | ||
| Oh, well, yeah. | ||
| That was crazy, right? | ||
| FDR pushed the boundaries a lot. | ||
| Yeah, he had three terms. | ||
| Well, that – but there was no – there was no – It wasn't unconstitutional back then. | ||
| I know, but even that. | ||
| He had concentration camps. | ||
| He had concentration camps. | ||
| Terrible. However, whatever Trump is doing, he's definitely not even come close to FDR territory. | ||
| And the point that I'm making is we survived FDR. | ||
| Aren't we supposed to learn from things and get better? | ||
| I don't think that Trump is worse. | ||
| I don't think he's... | ||
| He should be better. | ||
| He's definitely better. | ||
| He's better, but I don't want to go worse. | ||
| I don't want to go backward. | ||
| I don't want to go worse either. | ||
| I want to go better. | ||
| I don't want to put Americans in concentration camps. | ||
| No! I don't want people to be incorrectly deported either unless they deserve to be deported. | ||
| See, I think I want to deport enough. | ||
| We have 20 million people that are in the country illegally. | ||
| We need to deport them all. | ||
| And if you're going to deport them, there's going to be errors. | ||
| And those people... | ||
| The errors need to be fixed. | ||
| That's the scary part. | ||
| The errors need to be fixed. | ||
| But to think that the government... | ||
| What if I look like an error? | ||
| What if I'm just like, you know what, that girl, she's an error. | ||
| So then I tell you what. | ||
| What if my, you know, my dad's really dark, by the way. | ||
| Listen, you've got Lisa's phone number. | ||
| He looks like a Sicilian mobster. | ||
| You've got Lisa's phone number. | ||
| He looks like he's Arab. | ||
| Listen, you've got Lisa's phone number. | ||
| Call Lisa. | ||
| Does he have an MS-13 tattoo on his knuckles? | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| He doesn't have any gang tattoos? | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| Nothing to imply that you're in any gangs or non-citizens? | ||
| What if the next administration does what? | ||
| Finds that my father is out of vogue because my dad is very Trumpy, loves Trump, like all that. | ||
| But they find his political speech to be a threat. | ||
| Is he a citizen? | ||
| The good news, they've already done all that. | ||
| We've already done it, and when the next administration comes in, if they're Democrats, they're going to do it again. | ||
| By the way, my dad's not a mobster, by the way. | ||
| He just looks like when he's just a nice electrician. | ||
| Backtracking now, she's worried. | ||
| They're coming for your dad! | ||
| The point is, when the Democrats learn nothing, listen, the Democrats have learned nothing, and whoever gets in is going to do all the stuff that Joe Biden did, plus more. | ||
| So it's only going to get worse. | ||
| Well, in fairness, I do agree with you that in the sense that Joe Biden, he actually allowed for a lot of the things that are... | ||
| Of course he did. | ||
| Not everything. | ||
| He allowed all the stuff that's happened, like all the stuff that the administration did about cooling freedom speech and all that stuff, they will go after podcasters. | ||
| They're going to go after people when the Democrats get back into office. | ||
| So it's only going to get worse, just so you know. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Thank you guys. | ||
| Thank you guys for tuning in. | ||
| Unfortunately... The Discord's not working. | ||
| Serge is trying to wave his magic wand. | ||
| I'm not saying it was you. | ||
| I'm saying that you're trying to get it to work and the computer's not responding. | ||
| So tune in tomorrow. | ||
| Libby will be here doing the Daily Show. | ||
| Tim will have some clips. | ||
| And I don't know when you're going to hear from Tim in a lot. | ||
| I'm not sure what time you'll be doing anything. | ||
| I don't know if you'll get anything out, but you'll hear more about it tomorrow evening on IRL. | ||
| So tune in to that. | ||
| Thanks. Fuck yeah. |
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