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NEW FIRE ERUPTS, Trump DEMANDS Newsom RESIGN, Dems Used Funds For DEI W/Rep Nancy Mace | Timcast IRL
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Thank you.
tim pool
fire has just erupted in the Los Angeles area.
More evacuations.
The evacuation orders are now covering around 180,000 people.
Very little, as my understanding of this fire, has been contained.
Some of the smaller fires have been dealt with, so there's some good news there.
But all in all, it's devastating.
Donald Trump has called for the resignation of Gavin Newsom.
It is clear that there is failed leadership across the board.
There is a very serious concern that homeless individuals had been starting fires.
One viral video of people appearing to intentionally start fires, only making things worse.
So we're going to have to break all of this stuff down, but I think the big political component here is what they spent the money on when they cut the budget from the LAFD and, you know, a gay choir, one of them.
We have to wonder why it is they prioritize these things.
But I think most of us who've been paying attention to wokeness totally get it.
So we'll talk about that.
But we got some other big stories.
The Supreme Court has told Donald Trump, good luck.
They're not going to stop his sentencing.
So tomorrow, Donald Trump is going to be sentenced.
This is going to be weird.
He's president-elect.
We'll get into all that stuff.
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And joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Rep Nancy Mace.
nancy mace
Good evening, and thank you for having me.
Longtime lurker and listener.
I've been following you for a very long time.
Thanks for having me on tonight.
tim pool
Thanks for coming.
I assume most people know who you are, but do you want to do a brief...
Just, you know, what are you working on?
nancy mace
What do you do?
Yeah, Nancy May, spelled like the pepper spray, but only sweeter unless you cross me or lie about me, and then we'll have some words.
But I'm from South Carolina.
I represent a district in Charleston, South Carolina, along the coast.
We call it the Low Country.
That's the nickname for the area that I represent.
I've been in Congress for four years.
I flipped a seat from Democrat to Republican in 2020. I won by one point, 1.5 points that year, 5,000 votes.
I think I got called in the middle of the night, like 3 a.m.
But it was pretty awesome, and I'm super excited that 11 days from now we're going to swear in Donald Trump and to be a part of history.
The people made history this year, and to be a part of Congress for his historic swearing in, the historic unity we should have in the House, the Senate, to get the job done, start deporting all these people who are here illegally.
We have a heck of a lot of work that...
That we've got to do.
But I do want to praise you.
I joke with folks, you were like OG influencer.
You've been around for a long time before influencing was a thing.
And thanks for getting the message out for conservatives on the truth.
tim pool
I think it's just the truth.
I think right now reality has a right-wing bias.
nancy mace
Yeah.
tim pool
Colbert had that famous line, reality has a left-wing bias.
Well, that certainly changed.
Now basically what makes you right-wing is if you're telling the truth.
nancy mace
Correct.
tim pool
Crazy.
nancy mace
That makes you an extremist.
tim pool
Yeah.
nancy mace
For telling the truth, we're all extremists now and we're bigots because...
We just want facts.
We just want to follow the science.
tim pool
And so we got a room here of eclectic opinion, and the left will say we're all right-wing despite various opinions, especially from Ian.
I don't even know where his opinions come from or go half the time.
ian crossland
I don't know.
God, my man.
I don't know, dude.
It's just truth.
I'm just looking for what's really happening.
And if I'm wrong about it, I want to know why.
unidentified
Well, there we go.
ian crossland
So that I can reformat.
tim pool
All right, so Libby's hanging out.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm hanging out.
I'm with the Postmillennial and Human Events.
Glad to be here, guys.
tim pool
Hello, everyone.
ian crossland
I'm back again.
Hey, Graphene Dream, the coffee.
If you haven't had it yet, if you're wondering if you're on the fence, I was describing the way it tastes because before I was like, it's kind of light, kind of watery.
But it's better to say it tastes like apple cider if it wasn't sweet.
It's not sweet, but it's got like that crispness to it.
So get it at casprew.com.
It's super exciting that people are buying that coffee.
I love it.
Low acidity, baby.
Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal and all that remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary, so let's go.
tim pool
Here's the first big story.
Another fire is breaking out.
And, you know, I had a conversation with some friends today, and they've lost everything.
I mean, this is horrifying.
You know, we've got some updates here.
More than 180,000 have been evacuated.
Five people have died.
There's five fires currently burning.
I think this is the latest update, 45 square miles.
They say the Palisades Fire is now 17,234 acres, destroying more than 1,000 structures.
It looks like the Sunset Fire has been fully contained.
That's good news.
That's a scary one for me.
I know, you know, James Williams and a lot of people in the Palisades, but...
Personally, I'm not trying to downplay this.
It may sound crass, but I have friends who are right there on Sunset, and that's like, wow, dude, it's getting really close.
So we've got this video.
I'll play this quick clip for you about the latest fire.
There's a new fire burning.
unidentified
In the West Hills area, officials are calling this one the Kenneth Fire.
Evacuations have just been ordered now, and specifically it's for Van Owen, south to Burbank Boulevard, and from County Lane Road east to East Valley Circle Drive.
Eliana Moreno is a news chopper for Eliana.
This one has exploded in the last few minutes.
It has, Kathy.
We first spotted it when we were over Altadena looking at the Eaton Fire, and then we looked towards the Palisades Fire and realized that there was a second plume to the west of the Palisades Fire.
So we made our way over here, and by the time we arrived, the fire was already at 12.
20 acres.
It has since grown significantly with the potential for a thousand acres here in the West Hills area, touching on Agora Hills as well and possibly Calabasas as well.
It's difficult to tell with all of the smoke just how far this fire has extended, but we're north of the 101 freeway.
We're west of Valley Circle, and this is a fire that's being fought with a mutual aid assignment.
So we have LA City Fire, LA County Fire, and we also have Ventura County Fire on this one.
I'll show you some of the aircraft that are fired.
tim pool
So of course, Donald Trump has called on Gavin Newsom to resign.
We've been going over a lot of the data, a lot of the management, and there's a few really important examples.
Joe Rogan in July of last year said he spoke with a firefighter who said sooner or later that wind's going to sweep in and it's going to burn it all down.
Donald Trump talking to Joe Rogan saying they're not getting the water to the south.
It's very dry because these environmentalists, these conservationists.
There was even, I believe, a week in advance warning of potential high fire season.
The mayor goes off to Africa.
nancy mace
Ghana.
She was in Ghana, on her way to Ghana, on her way to Africa when all this started to go down.
tim pool
It's just, when you look at all of it, the defunding of the fire department, the mismanagement, the refusal to deal with the brush, the tinder, the downed trees.
I mean, this is like our third day talking about it.
It bears repeating.
Fires happen, but this was mismanaged.
And people are losing their lives because of it.
libby emmons
Yeah, they sure are.
And this, of course, isn't the first time that Gavin Newsom has been made aware of the situation by Donald Trump.
Back in Trump's first term, you could see Trump taking a tour of fire-ravaged areas with Newsom, telling him that he needed to clean up the forest floor, that he needed to deal with the water management.
And at the time, the leftist media freaked out and they were like, oh, Donald Trump says to clean the forest floor.
Doesn't he know it's called the ground?
And it's like, well, first of all, no, it's called the forest floor.
But second of all...
Newsom didn't heed any of those warnings then.
nancy mace
He didn't want to take any advice from Donald Trump.
In California.
And in fact, in 2014, they voted on some proposition.
It was, I believe, close to $10 billion they were supposed to use to prepare and fill up their reservoirs, to have water, to do this.
And they didn't do it.
They haven't done a single thing that they voted on a decade ago.
And Gavin Newsom, he's been governor for, what, five years now?
So half that time.
And he's still governor of California today.
He should be gone tomorrow.
This is going to end his career.
He should resign.
Like Trump said, he should just be gone.
ian crossland
Where were they going to get the water from to fill up the reservoirs?
Do you know much about it?
nancy mace
I don't.
I am not sure, but what I do know why the reservoirs haven't been filled up today, some of it's going out into the ocean.
It's going right back out.
They're not saving rainwater, right?
The most basic thing you can have is rainwater, right?
libby emmons
95% of all California rainwater runs into the ocean.
tim pool
Right, so filling the reservoirs just means they need to control for the available supply and restrict some of it to the reservoirs.
ian crossland
We talked last night about the San Francisco Bay and why the water wasn't getting routed to the south.
A lot of it, he said, is because they wanted to protect the fish.
That is true, but also because of the salinity in the San Francisco Bay.
If they stop...
Pumping all that water, that rainwater, out into the bay.
Then all the saltwater comes in and then it toxifies the land for the farmers and they can't grow crops.
So I'm wondering if we could maybe divert like 10% of it.
libby emmons
There's also the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta.
Those rivers and streams that are a little more inland.
That aren't getting where they need to go.
nancy mace
It was a smeltfish, right?
tim pool
I covered the drought 10 years ago when it was like the worst drought they'd seen in a long time.
I went through all these Delta farms and spoke with some of these farmers, and they said, the concern isn't just the smelt, it's that if the water flow reduces into the Delta, there's this pressure.
The water is flowing into the bay, which then goes off into the Delta, into the Central Valley, and goes, but the flow from the north of freshwater is pushing back.
So the bay is brackish, the ocean is salt, and the Delta is fresh.
If they divert the freshwater, the saltwater flows in, and the farms are now...
Salty.
Which can't grow.
However, you can build dams and infrastructure and ways to mitigate that.
I think the issue is just, it's probably very difficult.
And it's not necessarily even about that.
That's a good point that Trump brings up.
But like we were just mentioning, most of their rainwater runs off.
They don't capture it.
I think the real issue is that Democrats are looking at short-term gains.
And look, I know people are going to be like, Tim's making it partisan.
Dude, it's California.
It's a supermajority of Democrats.
phil labonte
That's something that needs to be pointed out.
It's been the same party controlling the whole state for at least the past decade, probably two, and there's been zero opposition.
nancy mace
Democrat mayor, counties led by Democrats, Democrat governors.
tim pool
They've got a list, and they're basically saying, okay, if we fill the reservoirs...
How much time and energy will that take?
And what's the point?
Well, if we ever have a wildfire, we're going to need it.
Yeah, but there's no wildfire now.
Let's jump to this problem and ignore the long-term problems.
libby emmons
Well, you know, of course, it was a year ago that Gavin Newsom blocked some dam projects in order to allow salmon to swim more freely.
phil labonte
Unreal.
unidentified
Well, I mean, we can't leave the salmon less freely.
libby emmons
Yeah, I was talking to a friend of mine who's actually done a lot of research in this area, and she was talking also about the problem of when you do single species protection and how that does not consider the whole ecosystem and how everything works together.
So even if you are pro-environmentalist and pro-little smeltfish or salmon, focusing on a single species and trying to protect species.
Yes, exactly.
Focusing on that and trying to protect just that without consideration of a broader...
nancy mace
Their environmental policies actually sometimes hurt the environment.
Take EVs.
I come from a purplish district, a lot of EVs in my district, so I'm not knocking it.
libby emmons
There's a lot of EVs around here.
nancy mace
Well, the weight of an EV and the weight of the rubber on the road makes it worse for the environment than a gasoline-powered vehicle.
And so then you look at...
The right whale, for example, that they're saying is going to go extinct because of all the boats, well, the shipping.
It's actually the windmills, more than likely, that they're putting in the Northeast and the ocean.
libby emmons
That's driving the whales crazy.
nancy mace
Right, and killing the whales.
tim pool
And they make fun of Trump for saying this.
libby emmons
It's the truth.
phil labonte
They're going to make a thing out of, an issue out of anything that Trump says.
If they can in any way...
Point at Trump and say, look, he's saying something bad.
He's saying something stupid.
It doesn't matter if he's right or not.
It's just they're going to say this.
nancy mace
He's been right about literally everything now, like everything.
And it's like, OK, finally, can you catch a break?
And they will not let up.
And this is why they lost the election so badly, so poorly.
phil labonte
Speaking of the election, I want to point out what we're talking about with the single party rule in California.
That was something that Elon Musk had brought up.
The concern that if Trump didn't win, we were going to have that here as a situation for the whole country.
These kind of problems arise because of single-party rule.
You need legitimate opposition because if you don't have it, everyone just falls in line and says yes, and everyone becomes a yes man because the general consensus is what they're ascribing to.
And that's a terrible thing for a society, and you can see that in California now.
nancy mace
This group think, and then you're afraid to come out for the reason.
tim pool
So what happens is,
when they pull fresh water out of seawater, you end up with brine.
They have to dump back the salt, which sinks to the bottom and goes under, and it kills the base layer of food in the food chain.
ian crossland
They should flash boil that ocean water and catch the condensation.
tim pool
Well, the idea would be that if they don't return the brine into the ocean, perhaps there's no problem.
They could dump the brine somewhere else and let it turn to salt, I guess.
I went to the Carlsbad desalination plant, and environmental activists hate it.
Because there's this big pump.
You can walk up to it.
You can see it dumping all the brine into the water, which the heavy salinity goes to the bottom, and then it wipes out the lower life forms, and then everything above it just dies off.
So there's not simple solutions to a lot of these things.
But anybody who wants to live in a desert is going to need real leadership.
And the problem I see is if the Democrats in California came out and said, guys, tighten your belts.
It's going to be a hard summer.
Because we have to reserve this water in case of fires, they would never get re-elected.
The people of those places are going to be like, nah!
I want my golf courses, I want my hot showers, and you can't take it from me.
ian crossland
In 2007, I was telling people to pee in the sink.
I was like, you're a dude?
Pee in the sink.
Stop flushing your toilet.
tim pool
Greenpeace does that.
ian crossland
Greenpeace tells people to pee in their sink?
tim pool
No, Greenpeace...
A Greenpeace employee told me this.
I worked for Greenpeace in Chicago.
We didn't have this.
But they said that in California, the toilets have a basin on top.
And you step up and go number one on the top and then you go number two on the bottom and you use the number one to flush the number two.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
That's what they told me.
Look.
nancy mace
I've never heard of such a thing.
tim pool
We have a well here.
So, you know, people who live in the country don't have to worry about running out of water because we have water from the rain and the rivers.
But the people who live on the coasts who have a finite amount of water for the big cities, they've got to think about that stuff, I guess.
nancy mace
And the data centers are out there.
There's a lot of technology.
I mean, the energy and all that production.
phil labonte
I've heard that they have been moving away from water cooling and they've been using other methods.
I'm not extremely versed in what they do use, but I've heard that they've been...
I heard some people complaining about the Silicon Valley was the actual problem.
And if I understand correctly, that it's not because they've been moving away from using just water.
nancy mace
Yeah, that would help some of the pressure there.
tim pool
I want to pull up this tweet from Anna Kasparian, of all people.
We've got this viral video from More Perfect Union with 2 million views.
Take a look at this.
I'm sorry, 5.5?
8.5 million.
What's going on?
And in it, they say one billionaire couple owns almost all the water in California.
The Resnick secretly seized control.
And that's what they're trying to blame.
They're trying to say it's the rich people.
And the experience says California, and especially L.A., is controlled by Democrats.
They are responsible.
No more passing the buck.
You want to radicalize people against the modern Democratic Party?
Send them to L.A. Woo!
nancy mace
Epic.
phil labonte
Wow!
nancy mace
Totally epic.
And one of the things that she's talking about with the L.A. mayor's budget, they took away money from the fire department, but they funded things like a trans cafe for $100,000.
libby emmons
What's a trans cafe?
nancy mace
That's my first question, is what is a trans cafe, number one?
And two, why is the government paying for it?
phil labonte
They don't sell coffee there.
nancy mace
They don't sell low-acidity coffee there.
tim pool
They should.
You also have, so the Daily Caller picked this story up, gay choirs.
Trans cafes and social justice art.
What L.A. spent money on while cutting its fire budget.
nancy mace
Like, why is the government paying for that?
Number one, it's mind-boggling, but this is what happens when you run to a Democrat-run utopia.
This is what they do to you.
tim pool
You know, it's funny because communists all say, you know, to each according to their needs, from each according to their means.
But these people are the least likely to work and the most likely to beg.
They demand, they get free stuff.
And they also don't want to do work.
They're the opposite of what they're claiming to represent.
nancy mace
They don't want to contribute to the system that they want to benefit from.
ian crossland
In this situation, they're like, where's the fire department?
Where's Big Daddy to come save me?
And hopefully this wakes a lot of people up.
tim pool
And then we talked about this the other day.
Did you see the tweet from the guy who was looking for a private fire department to protect our homes?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And the left attacked him for it.
libby emmons
Really wild.
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm like, who cares if a guy asks for a private service?
Why is that a problem?
phil labonte
I replied to that person, I was like, you're the crab that pulls the other crab down back into the bucket.
tim pool
Which person?
phil labonte
The person that was complaining about it.
Someone had taken a screen cap of the tweet, and they were like, can you believe this?
I'm like, you're the crab that pulls the other crabs down.
libby emmons
But of course, I mean, this is how it used to be, right?
There used to be private fire insurance companies.
And so if you go around in old areas, like in Philadelphia, the old houses that are there from colonial times, you can see on the side of buildings, there'll be like stars or whatever, like old stars or different patterns.
And those were put there by the fire insurance companies so that the fire insurance company would know if that was a house that they had insured and were contracted to protect.
So, I mean, we could go back to something like that for sure, where everybody has their own fire department.
You know, I mean, I get this guy who would pay whatever it takes to protect his home.
nancy mace
If it were private, it'd be run more efficiently.
You can imagine that.
There are places in the country that have private ambulatory services.
Like if you go to Brooklyn, the Jewish community there.
What they have done to provide service to their needs, to their community, is so much faster and so much quicker than a government ambulance could show up.
They have a truck and it's there in seconds sometimes.
It's pretty incredible.
ian crossland
I would want to maintain a socialized fire department as well as private.
If you want to go private, because I'm concerned with private companies being like, hey, you don't have insurance.
Or arson, like literally them starting fires so that you have to buy their service for profit.
tim pool
It's like Ryan Long's sketch where he and Danny were Antifa window repair, where in the middle of the night they just like Antifa and smash windows and the next day show up to fix them.
libby emmons
This is the Monty Python sketch, you know?
It's a great country you have here.
It'd be a shame if something was going to happen to it.
nancy mace
You should definitely be able to supplement whatever you want for your community.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, I gotta be honest, like...
When the insurance company started pulling out of California, it was the perfect opportunity for a venture capitalist to launch a private fire department and be like, yo, we'll bring in a bunch of emergency...
You know what you want for fighting the fires is water, obviously, but I would guarantee you people would love some chemical flame retardants right now.
nancy mace
Anything to put the fire out.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's another thing too, and that's something that the government could be doing even while they're pursuing their dumb...
Environmental things is they could be working to reduce the ignitability of the structures, reduce the amount of hazardous fuels by clearing out the brush and things like that, but also just the way that homes are built.
Keep the brush away from your home.
Keep the fences not quite so close together.
There's a lot of things that you could do, but people don't want to change how they live either.
People want everything.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm excited.
Look, the disaster is a disaster, but outside of that, the politics.
The argument was being made that Trump only has about 18 months to get his agenda through because...
libby emmons
Because then it's the midterms.
tim pool
Once we get to the midterms...
nancy mace
We have a very short runway.
tim pool
Right.
The squishy Republicans are all of a sudden going to back off and say, I can't do anything weird.
libby emmons
And there's such a thin majority.
tim pool
But with Anna Kasparian tweeting like this, I'm kind of like, just let the Democrats keep talking.
The midterms are going to be smooth sailing for the Republicans.
nancy mace
I don't think it's going to be nearly...
Right now, I think it's not going to be the bloodbath that the mainstream media wants to tell you it's going to be in 26. The rate that we're going, bold leadership is needed for this country, and people are...
They're so fed up with what's going on.
They don't like it.
That's why they're leaving California.
They're moving to South Carolina, by the way.
My district's like the number 10 fastest growing district in the country.
They're all coming from like New York and California, Ohio, Northeast.
But they're moving out of there at such a high rate.
It's insane.
phil labonte
I mean, you look at people like Fetterman the way that he's been.
nancy mace
He's been very smart.
He's the smartest Democrat on the Hill right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
And then there's also people like Richie Torres.
libby emmons
He's doing a good job.
phil labonte
Yeah, his messaging.
Exactly.
That's the point that I'm making.
He's...
Addressing the things that have caused Democrats the problems, which is not focusing on things that the average person worries about.
This is something that I've said on the show before.
The left loves to talk about centering the margins.
The marginalized people we have to center.
We have to center the marginalized people.
If you do that long enough, then people stop voting for you because you need a majority in a democracy to win elections.
nancy mace
Their problem is they only have two.
They have one in the House who speaks a little common sense and one in the Senate.
Everyone else is off.
libby emmons
I mean, everyone's so happy to center minority voices and, you know, all of this, whatever else, diversity, this and that, until it's impacting their own situations.
tim pool
Let me pull up this video.
So this is...
This is a video that Sean, who does social media stuff for us, shout out to Sean Frasek.
nancy mace
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
It's got 299 views.
So I don't think a lot of people have seen this video.
Listen to this.
unidentified
Diversity, equity, and inclusion, or DEI, are more than just words.
They represent a framework for creating fair and equitable environments in the fire service where everyone has a seat at the table.
But what do these concepts truly mean, and how do they work together to build stronger fire departments?
Diversity is the foundation.
It's about recognizing and embracing the different backgrounds, perspectives, and experiences that make up a community.
In the fire service, this means having a workforce that reflects the community it serves, bringing in different ideas, approaches, and solutions to solve complex problems.
tim pool
It then immediately just shows a black man.
And what really offends me, this is a really great bit from Adam Carolla, where he's talking to Newsom.
And Newsom's like, black and Latino people don't have access to checking accounts.
And Adam Carolla's like, why?
libby emmons
Yeah, what are you talking about?
tim pool
He's like, well, I don't know.
And he's like, is it their genetics?
And he's like, no, of course not.
He's like, so then why is it them?
What's happening to them?
He's like, I don't know.
It says different ideas, and then it shows a black guy.
ian crossland
It's illusions, and then it shows his face.
tim pool
Right.
These people believe that diversity...
They believe that ideas are skin deep.
It is the epitome of racism.
ian crossland
Well, if you're a fireman and you're in there with all your gear on, you don't care what color the next guy is.
You just care if he can lug the gear, pick up a body, and get out of there.
phil labonte
The whole premise that this is built on is that diversity is the most important thing.
When you're dealing with a fire department, that's absolutely wrong.
I reject it entirely.
The most important thing is competence.
Capability.
You have to put out fires.
You have to save lives.
I don't care what color the person that's picking up my family members out of the burning building.
tim pool
I care about their muscle density.
libby emmons
I care that they can pick people up and carry them.
nancy mace
Well, Elon just posted one of these from the L.A. fire department because they care more about how you look than whether or not the question really should only be.
I replied to him on his posting of this one, was that, are you qualified to put out a fire or not?
That's really all I care about.
I care about nothing else.
Nothing else.
I don't care what you look like.
I don't care what color of your skin.
I don't care.
tim pool
I care about what you look like in a certain sense.
How tall are you?
How big are your muscles?
The joke I made several years ago is, if I'm in a burning building and I'm gasping for air, and I see the door open up...
And then as the smoke moves away, there's a five foot tall woman weighing a hundred pounds.
I'd be like, Lord, help me.
I want to see a glistening, ripped, six foot three.
You know, chiseled, tall, dark, and handsome man with massive muscles, and he goes, he can look like sloth for all I can.
And he says, don't worry, little buddy, I got you.
I'll be like, oh, thank God.
He can pick me up with one hand.
I want a capable person who can carry weight.
And women can do this, but it is much, much less likely.
nancy mace
There are fewer of us because of our physiology, because of science, because of biology.
There are fewer of us that can do that.
tim pool
So if they decide they're going to hire women for the sake of hiring women?
And you end up with small 100-pound women?
Lord help me.
Did you guys see the video?
I mean, there's actually tons of them.
Where it's two policewomen trying to arrest a guy and he fights them off and then runs away.
nancy mace
Look at the Trump assassination temp in Butler Township, Pennsylvania.
libby emmons
The little short ladies.
unidentified
Right.
nancy mace
His chest and face and head were completely exposed because they were too small.
They couldn't protect him.
tim pool
And I respect them for doing the job.
nancy mace
Correct.
tim pool
But you need people who are bigger than Trump.
Not necessarily because they're better at being guards, but because their bodies block bullets.
And it's kind of crass, but it's true.
That's part of the job.
phil labonte
If you look at the Navy SEALs, they're all...
Big, gorilla-looking dudes.
They're all big, six-foot-plus.
nancy mace
Don't stare too long.
Those are killers.
phil labonte
Lots of muscle.
That's the kind of dude that you want to do the kind of things that they ask the Navy SEALs and direct action forces to do.
libby emmons
But this is all part of the thing, too, of totally diminishing the working class and saying that working class men are beneath everybody else and are less than.
And then as soon as there's a fire that breaks out, everyone's like, wait, where's the big working class guy?
Well, you know, you hooked them all on fentanyl and took away their jobs and told them they can't have families, and now what are you fighting for?
tim pool
He has the story where he said he had to wait seven years to be able to take the exam, and he's waiting in line, and there's a black woman behind him, and he says, when did you apply?
And she goes, Wednesday.
libby emmons
Wednesday.
tim pool
He had to wait seven years.
Who was that?
Adam Carolla.
He wanted to be a firefighter.
They said, no, no white people.
nancy mace
Really?
phil labonte
Yeah.
nancy mace
That's terrible.
tim pool
Check out this video.
This is a video posted by End Wokeness of the Los Angeles Fire Department Assistant Chief, Kristen Larson.
Check this out.
Your blood will boil.
unidentified
You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call, that looks like you.
It gives that person a little bit more ease, knowing that somebody might understand their situation better.
Is she strong enough to do this?
Or, you couldn't carry my husband out of a fire?
Which my response is, he got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.
phil labonte
Unreal.
libby emmons
Unreal.
nancy mace
Literally their job is to help rescue people.
tim pool
This is the ideology of these leftists.
libby emmons
Only about 5% of working firefighters or women, that might be 5% too.
phil labonte
Unbelievable.
tim pool
I mean, 5% makes sense.
libby emmons
It should be a small number.
And it's weird that it's like that four women are heading the entire department.
tim pool
Look.
libby emmons
I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not a sexist over here, but it's a little weird.
tim pool
I've been to many countries, okay?
Let me tell you.
I went to Thailand, and it was Chinese New Year.
We went to a market district.
It was a long street with beautiful decorations, and there were thousands of people.
And you know, I noticed I could see over all of their heads.
Standing there, all of the Thai people were, on average, substantially shorter, and I could see.
I was like, wow, this is crazy.
Later in life, I went to Sweden, and I was a very tiny person.
unidentified
Totally different experience.
tim pool
So if you want to get like some large Nordic Viking woman on the fire department, I'm totally for it, right?
A woman opens a door, and she's ripped six foot tall, and she picks me up.
I'm like, Save me.
libby emmons
Thank you, Hilda.
tim pool
It's totally fine.
libby emmons
For sure.
tim pool
But this means, in reality, it's going to be about 5% of women.
nancy mace
Or less, I mean.
tim pool
Or less.
nancy mace
Yeah, or less.
This is crazy that they don't put saving lives, that's the mission of any fire department.
tim pool
You got yourself in the wrong place, you know, if we had to save you.
libby emmons
But the current LA fire chief also, coming into office, talked about how she was super inspired by creating more opportunities for diversity on the forest, and that that was her big, And that it was super important also that she was a member of the LGBTQ community and she wanted to bring in more gay firefighters because apparently who you're sleeping with makes a really big difference on whether or not you can do this job.
nancy mace
And the problem is this woke mind virus, we'll call it, is going everywhere.
It's in our military.
I mean, you're seeing this.
tim pool
It's in your bathroom.
nancy mace
It's in, well, it's.
Not in my bathroom.
It's definitely not in my bathroom, nor any other bathroom on the Hill on the House side, at least anyway.
We got that done, and I hope to ban it everywhere across the country.
But they're talking about airlines doing this to airlines, too.
libby emmons
They pulled the Title IX updates.
The federal judge said that, you know, throughout the Title IX updates, so that was pretty good.
nancy mace
That was a good development today, actually.
libby emmons
I think pulled the proposed...
What's the Title IX thing you're talking about?
So Title IX, the Biden administration's Department of Education changed Title IX of the Civil Rights Act, which was basically created to have equal funding for women's academics and athletics in schools.
nancy mace
It would allow men to participate in women's sports, allow men in locker rooms.
libby emmons
In locker rooms, but there were two separate things.
They just blanket made the regulations that any school that receives federal funding has to allow men in women's bathrooms, locker rooms, what have you.
But there was so much public pushback and outcry about their regulation requiring those schools to allow men to play in women's sports that they didn't put that as part of their regulation and made a proposed second thing for that that they were planning to push through.
They were unable to ever push that one through.
So that was withdrawn.
And now a federal judge threw out the bathroom.
nancy mace
This is government for sexual abuse as far as I'm concerned.
If you're forcing Riley Gaines to undress in front of LeBron James in the locker room, that is sexual abuse.
And that's what they were trying to do, Biden and Harris.
tim pool
It's worse than that.
These individuals, many of them, are admittedly fetishists.
unidentified
Yes.
libby emmons
Leah Thomas was a fetishist.
tim pool
Yeah, without getting too graphic because, you know— What is it called?
nancy mace
Autogynephilia.
libby emmons
Autogynephilia.
nancy mace
Yes, I just learned that term about a month ago.
tim pool
So if it's LeBron and Riley, we understand what's like, hey, man, people are going to be uncomfortable.
LeBron probably is going to be uncomfortable being like, look, let's keep it professional here.
He's a professional guy.
But these individuals, many of them, there was a viral tweet from, I think it was Brianna Wu.
Mentioning that trans people get heavily involved in...
libby emmons
Brianna Wu's with the Free Press now, I think.
tim pool
Really?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, a lot of trans people are involved in sex work because they eroticize this.
nancy mace
It's a fetish.
It's a sexual objectification.
It's an arousal.
tim pool
When you put a woman in a locker room and a guy is getting off on it, that's substantially worse than just having a unisex dressing room.
libby emmons
Right.
That is worse.
nancy mace
No, that is 100%.
And I'm going to Sarah McBride's district tomorrow night.
I'm going to go give a speech.
He.
Dresses like a woman.
And he's been the media fond all over him.
He made his political career taking selfies in the women's bathroom, bragging about how he's a woman now and should invade our private spaces.
And it's sexual abuse, in my opinion.
And it's a mental health disorder.
If they want to use the bathroom, go find a mental institute and go there.
tim pool
That is the correct academic term, in fact, mental health disorder.
And there was an interesting controversy where...
M5.
And then prominent liberal activists immediately came out and said, stop, stop, stop.
If if this is no longer classified as a mental disorder, you cannot get prescriptions for it.
libby emmons
That's right.
nancy mace
Big Pharma couldn't allow that, right?
Big Pharma's making a lot of money off this.
libby emmons
Do you guys think that the people of Delaware should not have been permitted to elect Sarah McBride to Congress?
nancy mace
It's up to the voters.
It's First Amendment.
It's up to the voters to decide who to elect, but he doesn't have the right to invade my spaces.
tim pool
I don't think the voters in Delaware knew that Sarah McBride was a man.
libby emmons
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
When you watch the McBride commercials.
It's just Sarah McBride.
libby emmons
You know, Sarah McBride, when first coming out was, I think, 2012, and Joe Biden was one of the first people to congratulate McBride because McBride was an intern in the Obama administration.
nancy mace
That's crazy.
Well, we have an all-female locker room up at the Hill where members can work out and change.
And I was there this week, and I was thinking to myself, my God, if we had allowed this to happen, he would be in here right now as I'm getting dressed and changing.
And it's just the government forcing this on us, and they think they're totally okay with it.
I mean, my next thing is to make sure that we enforce it.
How do we ensure that this is enforced and we protect women and girls everywhere?
But I would be in Delaware tomorrow night.
I would be in Delaware tomorrow night.
Letting all of Delaware know this woman is a man and should not be celebrated for his sexual fantasies and his mental illness.
unidentified
How would you propose to...
tim pool
Real quick, we just played that diversity firefighter clip.
I want to actually finish the clip because there's something really important that's said in it that pertains to this conversation.
unidentified
Needs and works to provide what they require to succeed.
tim pool
So real quick, just the context again is, this is a firefighter diversity equity inclusion educational video.
unidentified
In practice, equity means addressing systemic barriers and providing personalized tools and resources to help each individual thrive.
Whether it's hiring practices or access to training and development, equity creates an environment where everyone can grow and achieve success.
Inclusion, the ultimate goal, is about creating a culture where every team member feels valued, respected, and supported.
It's not just about being part of the team.
It's about belonging.
Inclusion ensures that diverse voices are heard, respected, and considered in decision-making.
It fosters an environment where individuals can be their authentic selves without...
tim pool
That's the point.
unidentified
It fosters an environment where individuals can be their authentic selves without fear of exclusion or discrimination.
nancy mace
Literally discrimination.
Your authentic selves.
libby emmons
You should never go out into the world expecting to be your authentic self and nobody's gonna mess with you.
You should never expect that.
tim pool
It's a strange world.
libby emmons
Your authentic self is for yourself and your family.
phil labonte
Look, everybody should be your authentic self at home.
That's where you can be your authentic self.
That's where you can fart if you want.
That's where you can have bad breath.
That's where you can have halitosis.
That's where you can pick your nose.
libby emmons
You don't expect to go to work and be your authentic self like your boss doesn't want.
Your boss wants you to do a job.
phil labonte
Don't give me that authentic self stuff.
Everybody has a forward-facing face that they put on when they go out in public.
And it's because that's how society works, right?
libby emmons
It's a civil religion.
You're supposed to go out there and...
Be part of life with everyone else.
phil labonte
Just the idea that you can just go and walk around being your authentic self no matter how it affects other people is absolutely ridiculous.
It is a total innovation.
It's only been something that people talk about in the past 5, 10 years, 10, 15 years or so.
No, don't be your authentic self because your authentic self is disgusting.
nancy mace
You can take your authentic self to Canada.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, somewhere else.
ian crossland
Aspects of yourself, obviously, you want to open up and become a more real human, but nudity, you know, the authentic self argument is a slope to nudity and nudists and people being like, I don't need to wear clothes.
I'm being my honest self.
tim pool
That's being light about it.
Your authentic self, okay.
I want to hear what Antifa has to say when a bunch of white supremacists want to be their authentic selves marching around in public.
They don't want it.
unidentified
Ridiculous.
tim pool
What they're advocating for is that they get to do whatever they want.
Whenever they want with no consequences.
ian crossland
I thought that when they were talking about equity too, they said it's an opportunity to...
It's right to use your personal, I don't know how she phrased it, your personal efforts to provide equity, but then they're using public funds to do it.
That's not their personal.
If you want to provide equity for people, if I want to make an environment where we all have an opportunity, but if I'm going to use public funds to do it, you've got a big problem.
phil labonte
Equity is not equality.
Equity means everybody has the same outcomes.
So what they're saying is everybody's all the same.
There's no one that's better at anything or worse at anything.
When you take that idea and you apply it to a job like police officer or firemen, you end up with dead people.
tim pool
I got an idea.
I got an idea.
We are going to put on a music show.
A rock concert.
And, of course, because we believe in diversity, equity, and inclusion, I would like to make sure we're inclusive of all different ideas.
Libby, why don't you tell us how you think the rock concert should be put off, and we'll ignore Phil's opinion as a platinum rock star because he's a white man.
libby emmons
That's great.
I think that we should have a tap routine and we should do some musical numbers.
I personally would like to sing an aria, even though I've never sung opera before.
ian crossland
Let's get some architects in there to sing also.
libby emmons
I think definitely architects.
tim pool
Yeah, but he's neurodivergent.
ian crossland
Yeah, we've got to make sure that we get stonemasons in there to sing, especially the ones that have never had a chance to sing before.
We've got to make sure everyone gets a chance to sing at this concert.
No, no, you want the best.
That's why you do it.
tim pool
I saw a video where...
Someone was actually arguing it was a black woman that DEI means that when they're practicing medicine.
Their tribal holistic practices should be considered the same as medical doctors.
I've seen this.
phil labonte
It's called alternative ways of knowing.
They say alternative forms of knowledge, alternative ways of knowing.
nancy mace
What is alternative forms of knowledge?
tim pool
Alternative facts.
libby emmons
It's a purely relativist perspective.
nancy mace
What does that mean?
In the medical community, in the scientific community, what does that mean?
phil labonte
So it's relativist.
It is relativist.
Oftentimes they'll look at traditional medicine.
So they're talking about things like Native Americans.
Whatever they call it.
First Nations or whatever.
nancy mace
Oh, is that what we call it now?
First Nations?
phil labonte
That's what they call it in Canada.
nancy mace
I've never heard that before.
phil labonte
Justin Trudeau says it a lot.
nancy mace
I don't listen to that guy.
phil labonte
Essentially, it boils down to they're talking about witch doctors.
They're like, these ways of knowing have been passed down for generation and generation through tribal peoples and stuff.
And it's something that we should accept into our lexicon.
It's something that we should acknowledge.
I reject that entirely.
I completely and totally only want verifiable scientific evidence, things that are repeatable in a controlled test.
tim pool
But this house, we believe in science.
ian crossland
Yeah, but the scientific method is flawed.
It says if you can't reproduce it, then it doesn't exist.
And they'll be like, if you can't...
But there are miracles.
Like, things happen once, and you're like, whoa, how did that happen?
I still can't figure it out.
phil labonte
That's alternative ways of knowing.
And you can believe that.
That's fine.
But when it comes to, like, applying it to everybody, you can't say, well, this one time there was a miracle, so we're going to say everybody should do this.
ian crossland
For instance, Reiki, healing hands.
Like, that's over history has been, people have said, yeah, some men, there are healers.
phil labonte
I'm not.
ian crossland
I don't think you should exclude it.
libby emmons
I had Reiki healing one time.
It was really, it was pretty cool.
tim pool
I think you should absolutely exclude it.
libby emmons
I wouldn't put it in insurance or medical stuff, but it helped.
tim pool
Prove it.
You do it!
You heal somebody!
phil labonte
You do it over and over and over.
libby emmons
No, not anecdotally.
You have to be able to run a control experiment and you have to determine through that process that it's actually effective every single time.
Like Advil.
tim pool
I was reading about how people used to drink mercury to cure syphilis.
nancy mace
Oh my gosh.
Why were we reading this?
tim pool
Oh, I read a lot.
libby emmons
Yeah, I read everything.
tim pool
Well, so antibiotics is fascinating to me, especially around the conversation that antibiotic-resistant strains are emerging and we may have to move on to something different.
And so something came up on the show where we're talking about people drinking mercury to cure syphilis.
It didn't actually do it.
What happens is syphilis goes dormant and so people thought they were getting better.
nancy mace
And they're shredding syphilis.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
libby emmons
They were making themselves crazy.
They were making themselves literally mad as hatters.
tim pool
So imagine what would happen if you went back 500 years with antibiotics and said, take this, trust me, it works.
Like, people have no idea.
They would take it and feel better, and they would assume it's true.
Over a long enough period of time, we now know, because you get a bacterial infection, or actually, did you guys see that show?
It was like 1897 or whatever it was called, the Taylor Sheridan show.
Was that what it was called, 1897?
I probably got the year wrong.
That was popular for a bit.
It was a miniseries.
But the story ends when the chick gets shot with an arrow and the Native Americans would dip the arrowheads in crap to make it infectious.
And then they're like, she's going to get an infection and die.
And it's like, wow, that's pretty wild because today you go to the doctor and some fat nurse would roll in her chair, open a drawer and grab a bottle of pills and be like, you'll live.
And it's just there and available for us.
I don't want to go to a world where they're like, let's dance around in a circle and throw rose petals in the air until the demons go away.
ian crossland
Some of it's just diet.
Like, the diet is the alternative medicine.
It's like, hey, fix your diet.
tim pool
That's fair.
ian crossland
Yeah, I agree.
And I'd like to get insured for, like, healthy eating.
unidentified
I'm not changing it.
nancy mace
Truly, because that's what's making us sick.
libby emmons
I feel like we should not need as much insurance.
nancy mace
RFK Jr. fan right here, if you read the label on your food...
It's making us sick, making us fatter, more cancer, more illness.
phil labonte
I agree completely.
nancy mace
More expensive healthcare.
phil labonte
But Ian, I'm not going to change my diet for a broken arm, okay?
ian crossland
There's foods that will reduce inflammation and stuff.
phil labonte
No, no.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
ian crossland
I reject.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Phil, Phil, I got to stop you.
You probably want to change your diet because you have a good one.
But if there's somebody who is eating ho-hos and ding-dongs as their principal meal every day and they go to the doctor, the doctor is going to say, look, your arm is not going to heal unless you're eating real food.
You got to stop eating the ho-hos and the ding-dongs.
ian crossland
Yeah, inflammation.
Sugar will cause inflammation.
phil labonte
Ian, a broken bone is not just inflammation.
A broken bone is broken bone.
ian crossland
You want to regrow the bone.
You want like...
tim pool
You need calcium.
ian crossland
Phosphorus and yeah, calcium, zinc.
phil labonte
You need a cast.
You need the bone to be set and you need a cast is what you need.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
unidentified
100%.
nancy mace
But you still have inflammation.
tim pool
There's still a fair point that if you're eating a bad diet, you're not going to heal properly.
phil labonte
You guys are all too kind.
tim pool
All right, let's jump to this...
nancy mace
I am not nice.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story that will get you all good and riled up.
Biden says federal government will cover 100% of costs for initial L.A. fire recovery.
Thank heavens.
You know, when that hurricane ripped through the Trump districts, I'm glad they didn't help anyone.
And now that it's all progressives, largely 80%, who are being impacted, I'm glad to hear that Biden's going to pay for all of it.
ian crossland
Did your district get smashed up by the hurricane?
nancy mace
No, we did not.
We're on the coast, so we skated on that one.
But the upper part of my state got...
Totally torn up.
Counties and cities were cutting their way out.
That much damage was done.
And I know people both in North and South Carolina, I'm in South Carolina, but North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, that applied for their $750 check, that had thousands of dollars of damage on their property and got rejected, got turned down.
And so it's clear this is, you know, buying votes right now, right?
This is they wouldn't do it in conservative states, southern states.
We're not going to help people who got help people who got damaged by the hurricane.
People are still begging for hotel vouchers.
There was someone in Asheville tonight.
I sent it over to Chuck Edwards, his office today, or we were supposed to be doing that on our way over here, actually.
But people are still don't have a place to live in Asheville, North Carolina because of the hurricane and can't get hurricane can't get hotel vouchers to stay.
They're going to be homeless.
People that lost everything.
And now, because you live in a Democrat state, everything's going to be paid for.
libby emmons
These are also the people that donated to Biden and Harris.
So this is like the kickback.
ian crossland
That's right.
tim pool
Get what you pay for.
ian crossland
With the hurricanes, what did they get?
The people that were affected by the hurricane.
Was there a government?
tim pool
Real quick, this is specifically, they're talking about debris cleanup and, like, reconstruction stuff.
I don't know that they're saying they're giving people money.
I'm saying they're allocating resources to L.A. with higher priority than these districts that were damaged by the hurricane that are still suffering.
nancy mace
Yeah, I mean, the southern states are still suffering.
The places that got hit harder, there are still trees on the ground in some of those places.
And some people, particularly in western North Carolina, don't have a home.
Still, and that's what's so crazy and very, very sad.
Now we're going to have devastation.
These people are losing everything in California.
I mean, everything, and it's a disaster, but they're benefiting greater than the southern states with the hurricane.
phil labonte
The federal government's coming in to like to supplement because the state government ran the insurance company out of town because they were trying to do price controls on what the insurance cost of homeowners insurance was going to be.
But the reason that they were the insurance companies were trying to raise the prices is because they were doing assessments as to the risk of fire and stuff like that because of the policies that the state had about.
nancy mace
Well, and also the state of California spent last year, $23 billion on illegal immigrants.
I would love to know how far that $23 billion would go today to help these folks that are devastated from these fires across LA. How far would that go?
A very long way.
But instead, open borders, billions of dollars to illegals.
America lasts.
tim pool
I don't get it.
I know we're going to talk about it in a little bit, but I got to bring it up.
You had a bill.
Criminal sex offender, illegal immigrants got to go.
Democrats are like, nah, that's right.
They can stay.
I don't understand how this country has gotten to this point where there is a very clear, rational, logical.
Maybe we should have water in our reservoirs for fires.
Maybe this country should give equal funding to repairs for any district, regardless of what it is.
How are we at this point where Democrats are just overt in their willful destruction of the country?
nancy mace
100%.
And there were 158 Democrats last year in September voted against deporting criminal, illegal aliens who are here, who are convicted rapists, who are pedophiles, who are murderers.
They said, nah, man, they should just...
They should just stay in the United States.
That's what they voted on.
And we've refiled the bill last Friday.
It's one of 12 bills in the House rules package that are being considered right now.
One of 12 bills.
So it'll be voted on next week.
And we'll see if Democrats are willing to apologize now and vote for it this time.
We were reaching out to Senator Fetterman's office this week, too, because he might be the only Democrat that...
It logically might actually co-sponsor a bill like that.
Once we get it over to the Senate and support it, it's just logic.
Like, if you're here illegally, you're a rapist, you're a murderer, you're a pedophile, you're the first one to go.
Like, if we're talking about deporting everybody, let's start with the worst of the worst, and that is these guys.
tim pool
Similarly, in the UK, there was a vote on the inquiry into the grooming gangs, and the Labor Party said no.
nancy mace
Two-thirds of the MPs voted against...
Yep.
ian crossland
I just don't understand.
tim pool
How is this possible?
Are these literal demons?
ian crossland
Is it like a bill attached to something else?
nancy mace
No, my bill was just standalone, single-subject bill in September.
It got a vote, came out of judiciary.
It is coming out again next week.
It's HR 30. Last year was HR 7909. It'll be back out.
I had 51 Democrats vote for it last time.
158 vote against what we just saw.
Two nights ago, the Lake and Riley Act, 159 Democrats voted against the Lake and Riley Act, which was deporting thieves and robbers who are here illegally.
Shoplifters, basically.
And they voted against that.
ian crossland
Why?
Do they say why?
phil labonte
It's the politics of nice and now.
Like, we need people that are going to...
We need people that aren't afraid to do things that...
aren't immediately nice, that have a long-term goal that is a positive outcome for society, as opposed to a short-term goal that is a positive outcome for the immediate person that they're talking about affecting.
nancy mace
At the end of the day, they want them to vote in our elections.
They want to fundamentally change the face of the country in any way, shape, or form.
They want one party, and they will do anything at all costs, including trying to kill Donald Trump over and over again until they are successful, because that is the world that we live in right now.
They want to destroy the fabric of our country, and that's what they're doing bit by bit.
This is the communist, fascist, Marxist way, is to disable a country one bit at a time.
They have been very successful at local politics for decades.
We have We've gotten behind on that.
And thank God we have groups like Moms for Liberty and other groups that are out there that are going bit by bit back to the school boards, back to the county councils, back to the city councils, and trying to rebuild what is so broken in this country.
And we have to have bold leadership.
I'm done being nice.
I came into Congress being very nice, being fair, being very welcoming, giving everybody a shot.
I am sick.
And tired of it.
I've been red-pilled now for four years.
I'm like, I'm done.
The media, I am done.
These leftists, these Democrats, they are bad for the country.
tim pool
Based on where we are right now, where do you think we end up in eight years?
nancy mace
Well, if we're successful, the next, I'd say, I don't even know that we have 18 months.
I think we have 12. And I don't know, you know, it depends on where we get there.
But if we can make some really tough decisions over the next 12 years, conservative, bold, we have to deport people.
If we don't deport people, what was this for?
We have to look at spending the cost of groceries and all those things.
And we have to protect women.
That's what I'm doing with the Sarah McBride thing.
We win on all these fronts, but we have to do it.
And I don't know that the Senate has a stomach for it.
I think the House does.
I don't know if the Senate does.
tim pool
I think Pam Bondi and Kash Patel need to launch a series of investigations into the lawfare against Trump and conservatives.
And I think there's a lot of instances of what would be described as conspiracy against rights.
So the case, Donald Trump, the sentencing, again, we'll talk about this in a second.
This is very clearly fake.
And if the federal government doesn't intervene to shut down what is clearly a rogue state, then we cease to exist.
nancy mace
People have to be arrested.
People have to be indicted.
They have to be investigated.
They have to be charged with crimes.
And they have to serve jail time.
That is where we are right now because if the government can get away with it, and they are, and they're spitting in our faces as they do it, Uh-huh.
They can get away with everything.
And at some point, and I sit in these hearings, like I'm in Congress because I was fed up and angry with the direction of the country, but I sit in these hearings, and we have these fights.
People get their information on X and post their videos and do their media interviews, but then nothing ever happens.
Nobody ever goes to jail.
No one ever gets really, truly investigated.
No one ever gets impeached, truly.
It's just the same thing that always happens, but this time has to be different.
We don't do that.
We're going to be in the same place in eight years from now where we are today.
And I love what's happening with the MAGA movement and what we have with X right now and Elon.
You all are the media.
You guys are the media now.
You're telling the truth.
You're putting the truth out there every single day, all day, every day.
tim pool
It's very decentralized.
And, you know, when I see the ratings for CNN in the gutter, the only concern is YouTube props them up.
So when you go to YouTube.com, they put CNN, MSNBC up on top.
Fox News too, but, you know, Fox News is okay.
They're not perfect, but they're good.
I like Jesse Waters.
I like Gutfeld.
They're fantastic.
So we're still up against CNN, MSNBC. We can rag on them all day and night, and we should.
Cable is dead, but they're still...
And my fear is...
nancy mace
And they censor on YouTube.
tim pool
Absolutely.
nancy mace
They're censoring conservatives.
tim pool
So Rumble's fantastic.
We love Rumble, too.
We put all of our videos.
So, guys, TimCast.com, all of our videos, Rumble's infrastructure.
Our membership, when you sign up at TimCast.com, uses parallel economy.
Let me stress this.
If you want to support the likes of Dan Bongino and Chris Pavlovsky and Rumble and the things they're building, TimCast.com...
Sounded to be a member.
Parallel Economy is the financial service we use.
I don't know who founded it, but I know Dan's involved and Rumble are like the principal stakeholders in this financial transaction service.
So you're not just helping us.
You're helping them.
You're building the parallel economy.
And we have to create spaces they can't shut us down and censor us from.
ian crossland
Yeah, mesh networks.
Because central controllers are dangerous, whether it's your ISP or your website like YouTube, whether it's Verizon that can turn off your access to the internet.
tim pool
That's a lot harder to do, but I would meet you halfway and say decentralized media, which is where we are, so that if everybody's relying on one show, it takes one national security letter to shut down a news story.
But if you've got 1,000 news shows...
There's no way you're going to suppress the information.
nancy mace
The truth gets out there one way or another.
It eventually does, but that's why the network of influencers that you all have helped create over the years is so important because that information gets out so much bigger, better, faster, more than we ever would have before.
And everything, every conspiracy theory that's been out there, it's turned out to be true.
tim pool
That's the funny thing, yeah.
nancy mace
Everything that Trump has said has turned out to be right.
And it's like people are just so fed up and sick.
tim pool
The meme now is, what's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?
libby emmons
A couple of months, yeah.
tim pool
A couple of months.
That's pretty wild.
nancy mace
That's factual.
tim pool
I'm at the point where I'm with Joe Rogan on this one.
He did a comedy bit.
The media attacked him for it.
He was like, I'm ready to believe the moon landing's fake.
ian crossland
That's what I was just going to say, dude.
The moon landing happened.
The moon landing happened.
But Stanley Kubrick made fake footage.
Get it over.
tim pool
Well, I certainly think we went to the moon.
ian crossland
Many times.
tim pool
I'm just saying, like, I'm at the point where it's like, I don't believe anything they say.
And it's like, Luke Rutkowski has a great shirt.
It's a meme.
And it said, I used to believe in aliens until the government told me to.
I don't know what to believe anymore.
nancy mace
Well, I mean, I'm a part of the mix on the hill.
I have a front row seat to this.
I don't believe half the time what we're being fed.
Like, the drone thing right now.
I don't believe anything the government's saying right now.
libby emmons
Did you see what Trump said?
He said, on January 21st, I'll tell y'all what I find out.
I have a lot of respect for that.
Do you think he'll release the JFK stuff?
tim pool
I hope, but what if on January 21st, Trump just comes out and he goes, so apparently China's got gravitic drones that are flying through the air and launching from the Atlantic, and then he pulls up the episode of Sean Ryan, and you're like, oh man, wow.
nancy mace
I watched it.
I watched the Sean Ryan show.
I'm very interested in the topic.
I watched the whole thing front.
It's interesting.
It's fascinating.
And I have a committee on technology under the Oversight Committee.
I'm very interested in all of this.
tim pool
Do you have...
Is there classified information you can't talk to us about in terms of these UAPs, UFOs?
ian crossland
Check out.
tim pool
That proves it.
It's aliens.
nancy mace
I didn't say that.
But what I will say, and I can't say what shapes they are, but I was in a SCIF or a classified room right before the holiday recess, Christmas recess.
And there are The government has debunked a lot of videos and photos, even some of the stuff that's leaked out, and a lot of it does make a lot of sense.
But there are consistently two shapes that are unknown and unidentified.
Our government cannot explain.
I will not say what shapes those are, as I was told in a classified setting.
And it's not public yet, but specifically there are two types of shapes that are consistently...
Unknown, unexplained in our skies.
ian crossland
It could be plasma.
They're doing this thing called talking plasma.
nancy mace
Not the shape of plasma.
ian crossland
But plasma can take different shapes.
They can change the shape of it now called talking plasma.
What they do is they triangulate laser beams or beams and they connect them at one point and then they can alter the shape and they can project sound through the stuff too so they can make it look like a man's face.
tim pool
This is real.
Yeah, what they do is if you take like four lasers the point where they intersect A shape.
So when you point a laser, you see the dot on the wall.
When the two lasers intersect, the point where they intersect refracts and you can see it.
nancy mace
Gotcha.
tim pool
So what they do is they basically make holograms by having ten lasers all move on a computer program.
nancy mace
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, so the reason why some people think UFOs are quote-unquote talking plasma is that when they say that this object moves seemingly an instant, well, if they're just lasers going back and forth, it would...
nancy mace
Gotcha.
That's interesting.
tim pool
And they would look like Tic Tacs.
ian crossland
If they're just radars, coming up on radar, and they're like, what is that?
Talking plasma.
If you see the craft, that's another story.
Because they probably have lightweight drones that are going underwater and up into space.
nancy mace
Yeah, it could be interesting.
But, you know, Arrow, the government, is going to start putting out some of the information on which ones that they have debunked and how they debunked them.
Because I think that information would give more trust in the process, too, with the government.
Because I don't trust them.
I don't trust...
At this point, any government agency, because we've been lied to for so long, by all of them.
But then while they do that, they're also going to release information on what is unexplained.
ian crossland
What's the company?
nancy mace
Aero, it's a government agency that investigates UAPs.
They investigate a lot of other things as well, but they'll be doing this, I am told, starting this year, starting over the next couple months, start releasing information on videos and photos that they have debunked, and they will explain how they've been debunked.
I've been briefed on this.
And then some of the ones that are unexplained, they will also release to the public.
So I think that's a great first step in some transparency.
tim pool
Have you ever met any of the Aero agents, would you call them?
Do they wear black suits?
nancy mace
No.
tim pool
Did they ever come up to you with a silver-looking pen?
nancy mace
No.
They're not men in black.
tim pool
No?
ian crossland
No, but do they lie?
Like, are they instructed by deep state?
nancy mace
My problem is, when I go into a SCIF, most of the stuff, most of the information we get is already open source.
It's already out there already.
Very little is classified.
And then the other problem is because of the overclassification of information, if you don't know the name of the specific program that's classified, if you don't know the words like the Constellation Program, that one a couple weeks ago that came forward by Michael Schellenberger, like that one, if you don't have the specific name, they'll just say it doesn't exist.
So it's like if you don't know what the compartmentalized program is, you don't know the name of it, you'll never get information on it.
It doesn't ever happen.
It doesn't exist.
And then the other part is, too, is I do believe that private contractors are involved some way in some of this.
And so they skirt around government laws, institutions, the Constitution, statutes, maybe even the executive branch.
And they do some of this, whether it's reverse engineering or the technology, whatever we're involved in or have knowledge of or are replicating, in the private sector to get around our laws, too.
I do believe that that's a thing.
tim pool
Do you think that the technology to use gravity propulsion systems exists?
nancy mace
I don't know.
I've not been briefed on it.
But I did read the memorandum, the manifesto of the Cybertruck bomber.
I did watch Sean Ryan's program.
tim pool
Is it true the FBI said that email was sent by this guy?
nancy mace
I have not verified that, but I am very interested in learning more through my chairmanship on the Technology Committee on Oversight.
I would like to learn more about what's going on.
I also don't want to be suicided.
I am very happy.
I love my children.
I love my family.
I love my job.
But I am very interested in, because some of the names that were used in that memo they talked about are real people.
They're active duty.
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.
tim pool
I mean, humans can invent and develop things.
And then the question is, if the U.S. were to invent a new kind of propulsion, They're not going to tell us if it's a weapon or, you know.
So, you know, I was thinking about this the other day.
I was at an airport and I was reading about Amelia Earhart and I was like, wow, like, look how much was accomplished in this short time when they invented these planes.
And the fascinating thing is within a couple decades, we were at war with them.
Like, we just built them and two decades later...
libby emmons
We learned how to fight with them.
tim pool
Right.
And so I'm thinking, like, how is it...
That the Wright Brothers in North Carolina, right?
What was the name of the hill?
I don't know.
Kitty Hill?
ian crossland
Kitty Hawk?
tim pool
Kitty Hawk, right.
I was actually just there.
These guys figure it out.
And then that information as to how to create a heavier-than-air flying machine becomes ubiquitous around the world to the point where we're fighting against our enemies who have them.
nancy mace
And what payload they can carry.
unidentified
Right.
nancy mace
And bombs.
tim pool
So I feel like the U.S. says, look at us.
We've discovered gravitic propulsion.
The last thing we want is for China.
Or Russia, or Iran, to figure out how to do this, because we don't want to go to war against them.
ian crossland
Yeah, they got that material, aerogel.
You guys familiar with aerogel?
Super lightweight, almost lighter than air.
I think it is lighter than air.
tim pool
I think they freeze-dry something, and then what's left is this...
ian crossland
It's very heat-resistant.
You can blow-torch it, and it's totally fine.
They'll alloy it with air-loy they have, where you can hit it with a hammer, but it's so light.
And the atmosphere is dense.
Stuff can be lighter than this atmosphere, and it'll float.
Obviously, a vacuum itself will float, so if you have materials...
And then...
I mean, you talk about like warp drive and like cavitating space and creating enough horizontal momentum that it reduces vertical momentum to zero or near zero.
nancy mace
I got a B in physics.
Relativity almost killed me.
ian crossland
What about it?
nancy mace
Just whatever that is you just said.
ian crossland
Horizontal momentum, making vertical momentum reduce.
Yeah, I think there's an inverse relationship with the two forms of momentum.
Jeremy Rist, the alien scientist, we talk a lot about anti-gravity research.
nancy mace
But it's a national security issue.
So if it exists, it is a national security issue.
I sit on the House Armed Services Committee also, and I would like to make sure that if we have very advanced technology in our skies, I want to know for a fact that China does not have it.
Or if it does exist, who else has it?
Because this is where the arms race will be.
ian crossland
Because if it's a corporation, then the corporation has it.
And if the corporation wants to sell that tech...
nancy mace
Correct.
So I do have concerns if it's in the private sector, who else has access to it?
ian crossland
How do you navigate the ethics of military secrecy?
nancy mace
Well, there are laws that govern who companies can do business with overseas, like terrorist organizations.
You can't...
phil labonte
ITAR stuff.
nancy mace
What's that?
phil labonte
ITAR stuff.
nancy mace
ITAR, correct.
You just can't go do and deal with Hezbollah.
As an American company, it's not a thing.
So that's why classifying terrorist organizations is important.
We don't classify the Taliban as terrorists.
ian crossland
But you could do a deal with somebody that...
Does it deal with the Taliban?
phil labonte
I mean, the way that that kind of stuff works, like, for instance, like SpaceX is essentially like they make intercontinental ballistic missiles, even though they don't make warheads.
So he has to have a clearance and he has to follow all kinds of ITAR rules.
nancy mace
Regulations.
phil labonte
Regulations and stuff.
And he has to have the people that actually work there, they have to follow clearance.
And there's a whole slew of different products that are like that, whether it be certain types of lasers, infrared stuff, all kinds of different computer programs.
nancy mace
And then what you are selling, you have a contract to sell to another foreign country.
There are export rules, export permitting that you have to go through the State Department.
There are a lot of regulations on how you would do business with a foreign entity.
ian crossland
Do you ever get concerned that they're going to sell to a neutral entity that will then sell to an enemy?
nancy mace
I'm always concerned.
phil labonte
It's way more of a realistic concern that the federal government will just give it to terrorists.
nancy mace
But more about cyber and hacking, too.
It's like, who do these companies employ?
Who has access to the information?
Who's the spy?
Who's getting paid off enough that China already has the information?
If we have advanced technology or any of our technology, quite frankly, is, you know, how are we ensuring that those systems aren't getting hacked, their enemies don't have the information?
And I think that's more of a realistic scenario because China is trying to hack us every single day, all day, all night long, in every way, shape or form they possibly humanize.
tim pool
I think the challenge is, if they did bring you into the skiff and said aliens are real and they're aliens, you couldn't tell us anyway.
nancy mace
Right.
That's not what they said.
tim pool
Ah, but you can't...
nancy mace
But I can't confirm if they did say that, I wouldn't be able to say that.
That proves it.
No, that was definitely not said.
But there are two shapes that are very interesting, which was fascinating to me.
tim pool
They've shown you the shapes?
You just can't describe them?
unidentified
Yes.
nancy mace
They have shown us the shapes.
There's just two certain shapes that they cannot explain.
tim pool
I don't want to press too hard on classified stuff.
I'm just curious, why can't you describe the shape?
nancy mace
Because it was in a skiff, and I don't want to...
tim pool
There you go.
nancy mace
I have run against people that have leaked classified information.
tim pool
Yeah, we don't want that.
nancy mace
I just don't...
I won't go there.
I want to make sure I follow that rules.
tim pool
But they were donuts.
ian crossland
I think they were triangles.
But three-dimensional, undulating in and out, because it's plasma.
tim pool
My favorite thing was when the drone stuff's happening in New Jersey.
The New York Post ran a story about, you know, the drones.
And they had three pictures.
And one of them was very obviously an American Airlines plane with the American flag tail.
And I was like, picture of an airplane, dude.
nancy mace
Yeah.
tim pool
A lot of people were freaking out.
nancy mace
But what were we lied to per that memo?
Is it China?
Are they off our coast?
Is it Russia?
Is it Iran?
Is it somebody else?
These are questions the American people deserve answers to, which is why that memo is fascinating to me and why I believe we should get briefed on it, look at it, investigate it within armed services oversight, wherever that jurisdiction is.
ian crossland
You're talking about these drones, this last month, the drones, whatever came of that?
nancy mace
All down the eastern seaboard.
Nothing has come of it.
tim pool
Are the drones still there?
I've heard some crazy stories.
nancy mace
What have you heard?
tim pool
We had Ron Coleman on, and he lives in North Jersey, and he said his neighbors saw something the size of an SUV fly over their house.
nancy mace
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Someone else superchatted us saying that they were driving down the road and some large car-sized drone landed and stopped for a second and then picked up and flew off again.
nancy mace
Really?
tim pool
Like, tons of people have reported.
This is the crazy thing.
People are reporting car-sized drones of some sort, flying objects that may be manned.
And people don't understand exactly how they're flying, maybe their rotors or whatever.
But then people can flight that and take pictures of airplanes and helicopters and it confuses everything.
nancy mace
Yeah, and there was confusion because of that.
And I saw some of the photos where it was planes and not drones.
But I was initially concerned about radiation.
Are they looking for some kind of a...
Lethal device that's out there that they can't find or that somebody lost because that does happen, by the way.
But then when I read that memo, the manifesto, I said, well, gosh, maybe it's one of our foreign adversaries.
And if that's happening, why aren't we shooting them down out of the skies?
This is another China balloon scenario.
But by the way, the FAA technically controls and demands the skies.
And even our military assets aren't really allowed to shoot.
Even a drone over a military base.
They're not allowed to shoot it down because it's FAA territory.
tim pool
We had a drone fly over our studio.
nancy mace
Really?
tim pool
Spying on us.
Low altitude in our airspace.
nancy mace
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was told...
nancy mace
You can't do anything.
tim pool
You can't do anything about it.
And I'm like, well, how do you stop this clearly criminal action?
Like, good luck.
nancy mace
Yeah.
tim pool
So Trump's got this video.
There's this video out with Trump.
Check it out.
peter doocy
It's kind of disappeared.
Adam, very suddenly, do you have any idea what ever happened to the drones?
donald j trump
What happened to drones?
peter doocy
Well, you said that you thought the government knew what was happening with these drones over New Jersey.
There were some by Bedminster.
unidentified
I don't know.
donald j trump
They were over Bedminster a lot, so I can imagine.
I'm going to give you a report on drones about one day into the administration, because I think it's ridiculous that they're not telling you about what's going on with the drones.
And it's not only with me.
Glenn was telling me today that in Virginia they have drones all over the place, too, and nobody's reporting it.
I don't know why.
Do you want to say something about that?
unidentified
Just one quick comment, which is we are home to the largest naval base in the world and Quantico, and we house a lot of the SEAL teams and have a huge national security infrastructure.
And now for two years running, we have had drone incursion over secure airspace, and we still don't know why.
And I think that's absolutely unacceptable.
And I think President Trump and the new leadership coming in, I think, will work diligently to understand who's behind this and what we do in order to stop the digital surveillance of all of our secure infrastructure.
tim pool
Interesting.
So I guess we'll find out in a week.
ian crossland
It's got to be military.
And the thing is, this is the ethics.
You kind of, as the military, as the commander, the one building the weapons program to counter foreign weapons programs, you want to lie to the public so that they believe it, so that the Chinese start to believe it also.
phil labonte
The military doesn't actually do the building.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was being hyperbolic, not the military commander.
nancy mace
China is constantly spying on us.
China knows everything.
I think it's very difficult to keep secrets from someone as...
tim pool
There are contractors, of course, but the U.S. government does have military Air Force bases that do weapons research.
phil labonte
So even still, they're bringing in people from the private sector.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's a mix.
nancy mace
It's a collaboration.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
So I guess it's like, what do you tell people?
If Trump found out these are counter-drone drones, these are weapons that we're going to use to defend ourselves, and here's how they can be shot down, and here's how they can be disrupted, you kind of don't want people to know that.
nancy mace
I was drafting a bill this fall, and I think we're still doing it, that would allow our military to shoot down drones over military airspace.
That's not allowed right now.
And so I was literally drafting a bill to fix that, and then this happened, the drone.
libby emmons
Weren't you talking about that?
How shooting down anything is a felony?
tim pool
We just mentioned it.
ian crossland
The military cannot shoot?
unidentified
Correct.
ian crossland
Okay, why?
libby emmons
It's a felony.
unidentified
FAA. Who's the...
nancy mace
Controls the airspace.
ian crossland
Some other organization is trumping military authority when it comes to self-defense.
nancy mace
Airspace.
tim pool
Ian is right.
The military should be supreme and have absolute authority.
ian crossland
Well, I see, because we're a citizen-run.
phil labonte
That's why the Secretary of Defense is almost always a civilian.
ian crossland
Thank you guys for pointing me back towards the light.
phil labonte
The President isn't actually in the military.
He's the Commander-in-Chief, but he's a civilian.
The SECDEF is a civilian.
The guy that runs CIA, civilian.
unidentified
These positions are staffed by civilians.
ian crossland
If there's fire, then the military can take it down?
phil labonte
I mean...
tim pool
No, I don't know.
I don't know if the military can operate on U.S. soil that way.
I think it would be a law enforcement issue.
nancy mace
I'm not sure.
I'd have to actually check.
I'm not...
tim pool
It's a law...
I mean, obviously, I think if it's opening fire on the military base, I'm pretty sure.
But I assume if drones are flying around shooting people, it's going to be a local law enforcement thing.
Let's jump to this story from the Post Millennial.
Trump weighs 100 executive orders, many on border security for first day in office.
Good stuff.
What's the record?
libby emmons
The record on first day in office?
I don't know, but this would probably be more than Biden's.
Yeah, Biden had a ton.
nancy mace
I feel like Biden had around 60-something on his first day in office.
libby emmons
Well, it was the gender one.
nancy mace
It was also reversing all of Donald Trump's immigration policy.
libby emmons
He had very many.
nancy mace
He stopped building the wall immediately.
libby emmons
I mean, every president since...
Since George W. Bush has had more executive orders than the previous one, which I find really disturbing.
I mean, a lot of this stuff should be law or it shouldn't be happening.
It's very bizarre that a president can come into office, make a whole slew of regulations without congressional oversight, without the people's oversight, and then they can just be automatically reversed.
tim pool
There's limitations to the authority of the executive branch.
Executive orders tend to be things like...
I am instructing my law enforcement agencies to no longer go after people who are doing this thing.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
I am now instructing...
libby emmons
His was building a wall.
I mean, his wall building was an executive order.
tim pool
I think that still falls within the purview of the commander-in-chief.
phil labonte
Grok says...
tim pool
Structures with military budgets.
phil labonte
Grok says that the largest number of executive orders signed on the first day by a president was Joe Biden, who signed 17 executive orders on his first day.
tim pool
17?
phil labonte
That's what Grok says.
tim pool
Let's go, Trump!
nancy mace
I thought it was...
libby emmons
Well, there were a bunch in that first week.
I mean, he just kept rolling him out day after day.
phil labonte
I mean, he's an old guy.
Could have been that he got tired after 16, and the next day he did another pile.
nancy mace
We all know he wasn't doing it.
tim pool
I hope one of his executive orders is the creation of a special investigation to the J6 committee.
He doesn't need an executive order for that.
I'm just, you know, poking the bear a little bit.
nancy mace
Well, if you were coaching witnesses, if you are destroying evidence, that's a crime.
unidentified
Yeah.
nancy mace
And should be investigated.
Again, that goes back to my thing being a member of Congress.
What are we actually doing here?
And we know that we know so much more today than we knew four years ago even.
But to hear that, it's very disturbing.
And if they get away with it, it's wrong.
It's illegal.
It should be investigated.
libby emmons
It does seem like there was definitely some collusion between Liz Cheney and Cassidy Hutchinson.
It seemed kind of disturbing, you know, that they were like a back-channeling before she testified.
nancy mace
And not wanting to come forth with their information, their evidence, and their documentation, trying to keep that at bay.
That's also wrong.
libby emmons
Well, and not hanging on to all of the documentation that they had during that committee.
nancy mace
Yep.
libby emmons
I mean, that's for real.
Benny Johnson talked about that.
nancy mace
That's what they do.
Everything they accuse Trump of doing or the right of doing, they themselves are the ones actually doing.
They're projecting every single thing.
unidentified
It's a clever deflection.
nancy mace
Yeah, I mean, special counsel would be fine, but we actually have to do something.
Like, indictments have to be referred.
Like, if you broke the law, you should be investigated.
You should go to jail.
You should be tried for it.
I'm tired of the days of, we are better than everybody else, that if you are a highfalutin official in D.C., that you are above the law.
libby emmons
Why were there never any consequences for Merrick Garland?
nancy mace
Right?
libby emmons
Being in contempt of Congress and refusing to comply with a subpoena on her testimony.
nancy mace
Well, because it was a Democrat-controlled Senate.
That's why.
So what do we do now?
libby emmons
He was in contempt of House.
I mean, he was incorrect.
And nothing happened.
nancy mace
Right.
Nothing happened because of the DOJ being...
libby emmons
The DOJ was like, oh, we're not going to prosecute our boss.
It's like, okay, maybe someone else should prosecute your boss.
nancy mace
Right.
It feels like there are very few checks and balances in the government, even though that is the purpose of the three separate branches.
ian crossland
I was just watching.
I saw a picture of Steve Bannon earlier, thinking about that guy and how he basically went to jail for that contempt because he wouldn't speak against the president on the stand.
And it's like Merrick Garland.
I don't know if it's the exact same.
tim pool
Garland should go to prison.
ian crossland
I felt so bad for what Steve had to endure for, what, 40 days or more?
It was just so gruesome to put a human through there.
nancy mace
It'll make a great book.
It'll be a fascinating reading.
ian crossland
And I guess, should he have gone to prison?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
And should Merrick Garland go to prison?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
What's the difference?
tim pool
He did go to prison.
Should Steve Bannon have gone to prison?
No.
Should Merrick Garland go to prison?
Yes.
And the reason why is that Steve Bannon went to prison.
libby emmons
Because Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro both went to Brighton.
nancy mace
They treated them differently.
libby emmons
So it was a total misapplication of the law in the first case and then it was applied especially for Merrick Garland who didn't have to suffer from any of the consequences of refusing to comply.
With a congressional subpoena to turn over documentation about the president's mental capacity due to his aging.
We still haven't seen the full transcript of the Robert Hurd testimony because they redacted parts of it.
And it turns out that the biographer of Biden, who was part of that case, has a lot of documentation as well.
And we don't get to see that.
nancy mace
I would say I want to protect the power of the subpoena.
Like, if Congress has that power and authority, we have to protect it.
My issue is the way that it's applied, you know, one or two people in this case, the Republicans go to jail, Democrats don't.
Whatever the standard is, it has to be applied to everybody equally.
And if you get a congressional subpoena, unless you're protected by the executive powers, you know, you have to show up.
You have to testify.
And that was the issue with Hunter Biden when he showed up to the Oversight Committee.
That guy was subpoenaed.
Nothing happened.
He showed up with a TV crew, Netflix crew, whoever it was, whatever streaming service it was.
I screamed at him and said he had no balls because he showed up there and defied a congressional subpoena.
And then he didn't go to jail.
libby emmons
Well, and also he specifically held his press conference on the Senate side.
nancy mace
The same day.
libby emmons
The same day so that he couldn't be taken into custody by the House Sergeant of Arms.
I just want to make a correction.
I was wrong about the number of executive orders.
They haven't been increasing.
In fact, George W. Bush...
Trump had more than Obama.
Trump had less than Obama.
And Biden has so far had 143. But I will say that Franklin Delano Roosevelt had 3,721 executive orders.
nancy mace
Really?
I did not have that data point.
phil labonte
Yeah, FDR was garbage.
But anyways.
libby emmons
Woodrow Wilson had, it looks like, the second most with 1,800.
phil labonte
That's the worst president in American history.
libby emmons
In the 21st century, it's all been under 300. But Bill Clinton had 364. Interesting.
nancy mace
So we're actually on the low side.
unidentified
Joe Biden, 17. I don't mean on day one.
libby emmons
I mean total.
tim pool
So for day one, Joe Biden did 17, which I believe it was a record.
Trump had one.
Obama did not sign any executive orders on day one of his first term.
On his second day, he did sign some.
George W. Bush didn't have any executive orders, and Bill Clinton had an executive order one.
libby emmons
You're talking about on day one.
tim pool
Day one.
If Trump comes in with 100 executive orders, his wrist is going to be tired.
unidentified
Baller.
libby emmons
You know what?
I want to see it.
Like, get it done, Trump.
You have a limited amount of time.
It's time to just do the stuff.
He had a lot of campaign promises, and the American people, we all out here, we expect him to deliver.
And some of them are going to be ugly, but it's time to get it done.
phil labonte
Particularly if they're regarding the border and immigration and stuff like that, because you've got like 70% of the population feels like...
Deportations are what they want.
Not just like, are they kind of okay?
Are they a little squishy on it?
unidentified
Bye-bye.
nancy mace
That's what the American people say.
phil labonte
70% of the American people say we're okay with and we desire deportations.
unidentified
Now...
phil labonte
Whether or not you think they should deport people that are just here illegally and that's the only law they've broken, I don't care.
I want to see them to start with the criminals like they've said and then go on down the list.
If you're here illegally, you should not be allowed to stay.
The only caveat I would have is the people that are dreamers, maybe they can stay if there's some kind of benefit, but if they're just going to school and on the government.
We have visas for going to school.
nancy mace
We have visas for coming here to work.
They get in line with everybody else.
phil labonte
I don't have any problem with deporting people, and I think the American, and I don't think, the American people have made it completely clear.
They want that just as much as they want ID to vote, which is another thing that even though the states...
nancy mace
Avin Newsom got rid of the voter ID in California, what, a week ago?
Two weeks ago?
Something like that?
libby emmons
Well, he made it illegal to require it.
phil labonte
Yeah, and I understand that the states run their elections, but I don't think that there's a problem with the federal government saying that you...
We must do your elections in one day, and there's a deadline at night.
I don't think there's any kind of constitutional preventing it.
nancy mace
We can only weigh in, I believe, on federal elections, but states run their election policy.
That is checks and balances within the government, states, rights, etc., federalism, the balance that we have there to have some of those checks and balances.
But my bill, H.R. 30, the violence against women, preventing violence against women by Illegal Aliens Act, will get a vote next week.
Elon Musk has endorsed that bill.
My plan is and my idea would be deport the worst of the worst instead.
And deportation is not a four-letter word anymore.
They have to go.
The American people want them out.
Get back in line to come here and work or come and go to school.
Get in line with everybody else and fix the visa system that we have.
But a lot of these companies, they're incentivized, and this is getting into details, but they're incentivized to hire...
Foreign workers.
We have to stop incentivizing that and incentivize them to hire American workers.
Like the Social Security, FICA, what they're using there, they're incentivized to hire people that are not American.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Are you aware of, this is a bit off topic, but are you aware of Health and Human Services Refugee Resettlement Program?
nancy mace
I'm aware of FEMA's...
phil labonte
I was reading on HHS website, they have a program called the Refugee Resettlement Program, and that's what they've been using to take people that come to the border and say that they're claiming asylum.
All they do is they have to say, I'm claiming asylum, and then they'll go ahead and put them into that program as opposed to being like, oh, you have to leave or whatever, and that was part of how they filtered them out through the country.
I've made a bunch of noise about this on the show in the past.
I think that was one of the means that they've been using to try and turn purple states.
Oh, 100%.
nancy mace
And swing states, swing districts, 100%.
But also, and the White House denied this last year, but there was a program voted on by Democrats and a handful of Republicans twice in the last two or three years that fed FEMA $1.45 billion to house illegal immigrants in this country.
FEMA's mission is to protect against natural disasters and to respond to natural disasters.
It is not to house illegals.
Last year I had a bill for that.
Couldn't get a vote, by the way, in the House last year on that bill.
But we were funding, through FEMA, housing illegal aliens.
phil labonte
It's called the HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement.
libby emmons
That's why Remain in Mexico is so important, and Trump promised to bring that back.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from the Post Millennial.
The Supreme Court has declined Trump's request to halt sentencing in the New York case.
And is it my understanding that it was Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett?
libby emmons
Yeah, they joined the liberals and voted to say that Trump has to—oh, if you refresh, there's a lot more story now.
tim pool
A lot more story if I refresh.
libby emmons
A lot more story if you refresh.
But yeah, they voted with the liberals to say that Trump has to face sentencing in Judge Juan Mershon's court tomorrow.
tim pool
So Clarence Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh indicated they would have approved Trump's emergency request.
But Roberts and Coney Barrett joined the liberals.
libby emmons
I think that's absolutely insane.
And I think it's obvious, too, that the judge and Alvin Bragg, I mean, Alvin Bragg really wants his scalp.
So the whole point of this is he can't be a convicted felon until they finish the trial.
To finish the trial, you have to go through sentencing.
And now when Trump enters office, he'll be the first president to ever...
nancy mace
That is 100% spot on.
They're doing this a week before he gets sworn in as president, or 10 days technically, I suppose.
That is the end game.
They want to call him a convicted felon.
libby emmons
They really want that.
nancy mace
That is the only reason they are doing this.
tim pool
And that's why they're saying he's not going to get any penalties.
libby emmons
Right.
And he's not going to get any penalties.
It would be absurd.
I mean, what kind of penalties could there be?
You'd have to set up a White House at Rikers Island or something.
Like, that would kind of be badass.
But, like, you know, that's not really the chance.
nancy mace
His ankle bracelet would be gold.
It would be the most badass ankle bracelet.
tim pool
I mean, his security would be arguably a lot better.
libby emmons
At Rikers, I think a lot less bad things would happen to the incarcerated people there.
tim pool
Running the country from in prison, like some kind of ultimate mob leader.
unidentified
Yeah, ultimate mob leader.
libby emmons
That would be the ultimate.
ian crossland
Here with me, or we know it's the other way around.
tim pool
I'm not locked up in here with you.
You're locked up in here with me.
nancy mace
And I hope they raise a ton of money when this happens, when this goes down.
This is what they are doing.
They're trying to destroy our country by destroying him.
ian crossland
So they charge this guy, they want to sentence him, and then what?
To nothing?
nancy mace
They just want to call him a convicted felon.
That is all this is about.
phil labonte
It's all narrative.
ian crossland
But is there a chance that he goes and they're like, yeah, you're guilty.
You're sentenced to 60 days in jail.
nancy mace
No, the judge has already said he won't do jail.
tim pool
But the chance doesn't mean it's going to happen.
ian crossland
But technically, it could still happen like that?
And then Trump's like, put in handcuffs and walked out?
tim pool
The judge has said no.
They're going to do it virtually.
phil labonte
Oh.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
I mean...
ian crossland
I guess that's reasonable.
tim pool
There's a reality.
You're not asking...
To turn oxygen into gold, okay?
Like, can a judge send his Trump to prison?
Yes.
He's got 34 felony counts.
And I'll tell you, it's very strange, in fact, for a judge to be like, 34 felony counts, I hereby sentence you to nothing.
Bang the gavel.
But because the average person, no one doesn't care, they're going to turn on CNN, and Ashton Cooper is going to say, a convicted felon.
nancy mace
Yep.
tim pool
That's it.
nancy mace
That's all they want to do.
libby emmons
They're going to say, convicted felon, President Donald Trump.
President Donald Trump, a convicted felon.
tim pool
Well, I hereby convict Juan Mershan for the felony of violating free Damestani law.
And I never said it was official U.S. jurisdiction or sanctioned courts.
But you can now call Juan Mershon a convicted felon because I hereby have judged it that he is a felon in the land of freedom.
libby emmons
We could even get a jury of our peers.
tim pool
We're here all in favor of him being guilty of lawfare.
libby emmons
Totally guilty of lawfare.
tim pool
That's a majority.
libby emmons
Although I would say that Alvin Bragg was a big accomplice.
tim pool
Look, the point is, if they want to have a sham trial on fake charges and then call Trump a convicted felon, I can do the same thing.
If there's no qualifications for what makes someone a convicted felon, then Alvin Bragg's a convicted felon.
nancy mace
They have turned the court system into a joke.
The judicial system into a joke.
unidentified
Merrick Garland helped property at your studio any minute now.
ian crossland
This is like the documents case?
This is where they gave him 34 charges for like one email?
Got sent to 34 people or something?
libby emmons
No, this is a different thing.
tim pool
This is Stormy Daniels.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
libby emmons
And the 34 counts are he received an invoice.
They filed the invoice.
He signed a check.
He received the receipt for the signed check.
It's like so little tiny things.
tim pool
I hope it locks them all up.
libby emmons
And meanwhile, no one ever said what the felony was that Trump was said to have committed.
Because every time Alvin Bragg has prosecuted this charge, falsification of business records, it has been a misdemeanor.
And the only way that he could make these misdemeanors felonies is by saying that these misdemeanors were committed in service to a felony crime.
But he never said what that felony crime was.
nancy mace
And he can't even prosecute a felony.
By law, he can't.
libby emmons
Gave instructions to the jury.
He told the jury that the jury did not have to agree on what the felony crime was.
tim pool
Just that they all agree that Trump did some crime somewhere.
nancy mace
They agree Trump's a felon.
That's all it is.
libby emmons
So it was a completely bogus trial.
And the jury came back multiple times with questions.
It was clear that they were sort of confused about these charges.
It was also clear that they did not agree on what felony was perhaps committed.
And also, Alvin Bragg was trying to indicate that the crime had something to do with election interference.
But that's a federal crime, not a state crime, and this was a state prosecution.
So in every conceivable way, if Bragg was going to prosecute these charges, it should have been 34 misdemeanor counts, and that's it.
nancy mace
Correct.
libby emmons
That's it.
tim pool
No, it was beyond the statute of limitations.
libby emmons
Yeah, there was that too.
There was that too.
nancy mace
It's so incredible.
libby emmons
It's the only reason they were able to extend the statute of limitations is because he said it was felonies.
phil labonte
It's such a fabrication and yet, like we said earlier, this is all about being able to say convicted felon.
That's the only reason they want to do it.
And it was, it is...
libby emmons
More leftist language games.
phil labonte
It's absolutely leftist language games, and it is the stuff of banana republics.
And I am kind of shocked that there are people on the left in government that actually want to behave like this.
It's normal for activists.
It's not a surprise that, you know, in a country of 350 million people, or 330 million people, there'd be some crazies that are like, let's do anything so that way we can just say this, blah, blah, blah.
That isn't a surprise.
But the fact that there are people that are supposed to be serious people in government that are the quality and caliber of our elected officials and our judges and the judiciary in this country, that it has fallen so low.
So absolutely, just incredibly low that these people are not only taken seriously, but they're allowed to be in positions of authority.
It is terrible for the country.
nancy mace
And they go write books, they do movies, they fundraise for their next election cycle, their next election campaign off of this.
This is just a PR junket for them.
It's not serious.
tim pool
Short-term gains, long-term losses.
nancy mace
Correct.
ian crossland
And too much fluoride in their water.
nancy mace
You got a point.
ian crossland
Hey man, people are getting dumbed down by crazy chemicals in the water and the food supply too.
nancy mace
That's why there's so many trans in California because of the chemicals.
tim pool
What if, you know, let's get conspiratorial.
I feel like maybe the reason there are people who don't believe in God is because they have no connection to it.
And the conspiracy theory is that fluoride calcifies your pineal gland or whatever.
I don't know if that's true, but that's what people say.
But I wonder if...
nancy mace
What people say.
tim pool
There is a prominent community of people on the internet.
DMT, like hippy-dippy, ayahuasca people that for a long time have said fluoride calcifies your pineal gland, which I don't know why fluoride would calcify.
Sounds nonsensical to me.
ian crossland
This says here it does not directly cause calcification.
The pineal gland accumulates hydroxyapatite crystals, which are in your bone.
It's a type of crystal in your bone.
tim pool
From fluoride?
ian crossland
It just accumulates in your pineal gland, and then the fluoride has a high affinity for calcium, which is a component of the crystals.
So it brings the calcium out of those crystals in the pineal gland.
tim pool
My point is, what if water fluoridation, which is only dominant over the last hundred years, is the reason why we've seen a reduction in belief in God?
nancy mace
Can you reverse it?
Can you reverse the calcification?
ian crossland
I think you can, yeah.
unidentified
Let's find out.
tim pool
Just wild conspiracy theory.
Because everybody believed in God.
And now we have growing atheism in the Western world.
libby emmons
When did the fluoride start?
tim pool
I think it was like 1912 or something.
I could be wrong.
I'll check.
nancy mace
You said 100 years-ish.
ian crossland
It cannot be reversed by detoxing methods such as fasting.
According to this, this is just AI. Brave AI. However, some supplements...
tim pool
1945 in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
ian crossland
Right after...
What month?
tim pool
January.
libby emmons
You know what?
That kind of goes along with what you were saying because it was the boomers who abandoned God and that's when the boomers all started drinking water.
ian crossland
You know, for me it was like I had to figure out what God was because when they were telling me, hey, Santa Claus is real and so is God and then I found out Santa Claus was fake, I was like, well, maybe God's fake too.
It's just all a big lie.
I can't see it.
So don't...
But then when I started to see the cosmic microwave background radiation through these radio telescopes, and you see this undulating web of radiation left over after the Big Bang, it looks like a neural net.
libby emmons
You know what I found really sort of convincing for me was how energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
tim pool
Only changed.
libby emmons
Right.
So when you die, what happens to your energy?
You must go somewhere.
Where do you go?
ian crossland
Into the sun.
libby emmons
Maybe you go back to your creator and end up being created into more things.
tim pool
You wake up in a crane game with the claw picking up and death.
libby emmons
What I thought was that means the energy that is in every human being exists in an afterlife.
ian crossland
For sure.
They say you're headed towards a bright light, which is probably the sun.
And they say hell is the absence of God, which is people that refuse the light.
They refuse to go towards the sun.
They don't want to be amalgamated back into the spirit realm of this glorious ball of energy.
So they go flying off into deep space where it's cold and dark, and that's hell in the Bible.
I mean, it just tracks.
tim pool
And then they're chewed in the mouth of the devil.
For eternity, perhaps.
ian crossland
Or they're brought back to the light.
libby emmons
Yeah, I love that.
tim pool
That's why it's funny when Trudeau said there isn't a snowball's chance in hell.
I'm like, I love that because if you go by the Dante's Inferno thing, that's snowballs.
Doing pretty well.
nancy mace
That's true.
tim pool
Also, he said there isn't a snowball's chance in hell.
Does he mean there is a snowball's chance in hell?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
People always do like, I couldn't care less.
Which is the wrong one?
libby emmons
Which means that, yeah.
tim pool
You have a wide range of perhaps you care, I guess?
I cannot care any less.
ian crossland
I care so much that I could care less.
tim pool
There is a snowball's chance in hell because the implication is a snowball would melt.
If there isn't, I guess you're saying it's a wide range of possibilities?
I don't know.
ian crossland
Or hell is deep space.
nancy mace
It's cold.
unidentified
It's freezing, yeah.
nancy mace
It's freezing.
tim pool
A snowball would evaporate, I guess.
nancy mace
Would it evaporate?
ian crossland
A snowball in space?
nancy mace
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know.
It depends on how cold it is.
tim pool
It would absolutely evaporate.
phil labonte
It depends if it's actually being, if it's got indirect sunlight or not, because if you're in space without any air around you, if you're in direct sunlight, you're getting that direct radiation and heat and stuff, so it probably would melt.
nancy mace
I'm not an astronaut.
ian crossland
It says a snowball would not.
nancy mace
I'm in a room full of astronauts, I feel like right now.
ian crossland
We're on a spaceship at the moment.
tim pool
It would sublimate.
Which means it goes from solid to gas without becoming liquid.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
Because of the vacuum.
So evaporate was the...
ian crossland
Evaporate would have been liquid to gas.
Yeah, sublimate.
That's hardcore.
nancy mace
Sublimate.
ian crossland
I was just thinking about snow yesterday.
nancy mace
How am I going to use sublimate in an X post?
That's going to be my mission this weekend.
ian crossland
Emotions.
Emotions can sublimate.
nancy mace
That's a new word.
tim pool
Trump must sublimate our national debt.
Yes.
nancy mace
Or drones.
ian crossland
Oh, if we could sublimate drones?
nancy mace
Sublimate drones.
tim pool
We need to...
unidentified
Which is more important, drones, or the debt?
nancy mace
Debt.
ian crossland
I think the drones are the immediate problem.
I don't know.
The debt is probably...
tim pool
Who knows what the drones are, but we should investigate.
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And, oh, the dog's yelling.
What did you find?
nancy mace
She's happy to hear your voice.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Do you want to show your dog off?
nancy mace
Yeah, we're Libby.
Come here, baby.
libby emmons
She's right over here.
tim pool
The dog's name is Libby.
libby emmons
The dog's name is also Libby, you guys.
phil labonte
The dog's name is Liberty.
tim pool
Liberty.
So the whole time we're doing this show, this little dog's been running around just exploring and sniffing and doing dog stuff.
nancy mace
Her name's Liberty.
She loves freedom, the Constitution, and bacon.
ian crossland
Nice hairdo.
tim pool
I also like those things.
ian crossland
In what order?
Was that the order that...
phil labonte
I'm a dog person generally, but I like that dog extra.
nancy mace
It's a cute dog.
Seven pounds of freedom right here.
phil labonte
She's just running around the whole show.
tim pool
It was pretty funny.
nancy mace
She was sitting near you watching you the whole time.
tim pool
Oh, really?
nancy mace
Right behind you.
ian crossland
Do you bathe her frequently?
nancy mace
Yeah, about once a month.
ian crossland
What kind of chemicals do you use?
Like temperature of the water?
nancy mace
It's like oatmeal, shampoo, the best stuff for her coat.
She's got long hair.
It's hard to detangle.
ian crossland
It's nice.
Her hair looks very good.
Do you use warm water?
nancy mace
We'd leak warm water.
ian crossland
Warm.
phil labonte
Have you ever brought her onto the floor?
nancy mace
What's that?
phil labonte
Have you ever brought her onto the floor?
nancy mace
Oh yeah, and I've been asked to take her off the floor and I keep her there.
I'm like, you guys can arrest me and my dog.
But she got sworn in with me last session.
We got sworn in at like 2am and I had the dog and I had her in one hand and my other hand was up getting sworn in in the middle of the night.
She's seen some floor action.
tim pool
That dog's seen some stuff, man.
Now here live on Timcast IRL on the floor of Congress.
ian crossland
Her premiere on Timcast.
tim pool
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All right.
BTK says, ask Ian if the fire can be stopped with graphene.
ian crossland
I think it does retard flame, as far as I know.
tim pool
It's carbon, though.
It'll burn.
ian crossland
Well, it doesn't.
I mean, I think you need really high heat to burn graphene.
Let me check.
I was thinking about, like, if we could dump, if we could, like, dust.
Like a fire zone with graphene?
Or with some chemical that wouldn't kill the plants?
Like you were saying earlier, use some sort of flame retardant, but without harming the foliage that would put out the fires.
And maybe even prevent forest fires.
phil labonte
I think carbon will burn.
tim pool
Yes, that's what burns.
ian crossland
It depends on the shape of it.
tim pool
It bonds with oxygen.
ian crossland
Graphene's not flammable in its pure form.
But it has fire extinguishing properties.
tim pool
Interesting.
All right, Waffle Sensei says, Waffles are the superior breakfast food, and it's about time that Waffle House joined the political fray.
It's a pleasure to have you, Nancy.
ian crossland
I'm sorry.
Yes, but it does not have fire extinguishing properties.
I read that wrong.
Sorry to interrupt your compliment, Nancy.
nancy mace
I'm a former Waffle House waitress, so...
tim pool
Really?
nancy mace
Thanks for the shout.
Yeah, I'm a high school dropout.
I dropped out of school at 17. Oh, cool.
And took a job at a Waffle House on the side of the road.
tim pool
I like Waffle House because you can watch them actually crack the eggs open right in front of you.
phil labonte
Yes.
nancy mace
Real food.
tim pool
Yeah.
nancy mace
And real people serving you.
Yeah.
tim pool
You sit down and you're like, eggs, and they go, crack, egg, crack, egg, and they put it on your plate, and I'm like...
Some of these places you go to and they got the weird carton of eggs they pour on the thing and they're supposed to be nicer.
phil labonte
Do you have any photos of you working at Waffle House?
Because Kamala Harris couldn't produce photos of her working at McDonald's.
nancy mace
I have my apron still.
unidentified
Really?
nancy mace
And the shirt.
I found them in storage a couple years ago and I took a picture.
tim pool
They're going to claim you bought it at a thrift store and then posted it on X. She did not work there.
nancy mace
It still had grease on it.
I had the bonnet and all that.
The DNA. She posted a picture of it on X. I'll bring it back up.
I'm sure I have someone somewhere.
Lots of stories.
tim pool
Did you work with Ron Paul?
nancy mace
I did in 2012. I worked on his campaign.
phil labonte
Oh, you did?
unidentified
That's awesome.
nancy mace
Yeah.
There she goes again.
She said Ron Paul and she's lit up with liberty.
I met him in 2012 when he was running for president and just been so impressed ever since.
Everything again, like Trump, everything he said has come true in his predictions both on foreign policy and financial policy, economic policy.
We've ignored for a very long time and we have no time to waste.
ian crossland
That's the thing about short-term harm.
Ron is kind of like, yo, he's the guy that would have instituted the short-term harm to prevent the long-term pain.
Yeah.
tim pool
You know what I notice about Republicans and Democrats is that the Republicans are basically like the dad who's saying, clean your room, work hard, life's a bitch, and then you die, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
And the Democrats are like the wine aunt being like, just do whatever you want, who cares?
nancy mace
But the problem is the Democrats have been aided and abetted by Republicans for decades now.
And so when we did the debt ceiling when McCarthy was Speaker, it was a horrible deal.
But we've spent just as much as drunken Democrats.
And the government.
And this is partially the Republican Party.
I haven't.
I've voted against all of it.
But they are sometimes just as bad as the left on spending.
tim pool
When did you first get sworn in?
nancy mace
2021. So it was November 20 election.
I got elected.
tim pool
We've been seeing good people coming in, or I should say better people coming in for a while now.
And I think, you know, when I was younger, it looked like one big hodgepodge mess of corrupt elitist.
You know, garbage.
nancy mace
Yeah.
tim pool
Now you're getting unique voices.
I think it's the internet decentralizing the ability to fundraise and to build support.
You're no longer required to march behind the GCCC or the NRCC. Sometimes it doesn't even matter how much money they have against you.
nancy mace
If you have the truth with you and the truth behind you, you will win.
I mean, they just spent over $7 million on me on my race in June of last year.
I won by the largest margin I ever had.
I spent like three or four to one, and I won despite all that money because I had the truth.
I love how, like, Trump was asked about a preemptive strike on Iran.
tim pool
And I'm just imagining how Obama or some other president would have answered, these are difficult questions.
And when it comes to these negotiations, we're going to have to look long enough, blah, blah, blah.
Trump goes, what a stupid question.
I can't answer that.
Why would you even ask it?
And I'm like, thank you.
Just say it.
Stupid question.
nancy mace
Just be real.
And that's what he's done, which is why he's turned things in a way that is going to be so much better for our country.
But we can't allow powerful forces in Washington to stop him.
tim pool
I love when he got asked about the...
How would you bring water to Southern California?
And he goes, what a great question.
I love this question.
I want to answer this one because I got a story for you.
And then when he gets asked about military strategies, he's like, that's so stupid.
He's like, I couldn't possibly answer that.
Explain what I'm going to do with the military before I'm president?
What a dumb question.
I'm just like, this is amazing.
nancy mace
Standing ovation.
tim pool
Yeah.
nancy mace
Yeah.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
All right.
Von Louis says, this was a wildfire.
Imagine if this was an earthquake.
Like that movie with The Rock, right?
What was that movie?
San Andreas?
phil labonte
Yeah, San Andreas.
Well, I'm not sure if that had The Rock in it.
There was a movie with San Andreas.
But there was also a movie with The Rock about massive firestorms.
unidentified
And I forget what that was called.
phil labonte
But I will Google it.
tim pool
Tyron says, I'm glad I moved out of California a long time ago.
Also, Phil sporting that awesome Megadeth shirt.
Rock on, brother.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
I still think it's worth repeating, it's crazy, that the last rock song to reach number one on the Billboard charts was How You Remind Me by Nickelback.
ian crossland
I love that song.
nancy mace
Really?
tim pool
2001 was the last time a rock song hit number one.
ian crossland
You guys think the Beatles are rock and roll?
libby emmons
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Some of it.
ian crossland
Bob Dylan said they weren't.
I was just wondering.
tim pool
I mean, some songs are and some songs aren't.
libby emmons
Dylan's an ornery bastard at this point.
ian crossland
How do you define your music, Bobby?
He's like, I don't know.
I've never heard anybody like me before.
libby emmons
Yeah, of course he's going to say that.
Yeah.
ian crossland
A long time ago.
Maybe he thinks they're rock now.
tim pool
Maybe say it more like this.
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
He was like 24 at the time.
phil labonte
No, it was called San Andreas.
Yeah.
tim pool
The rock was in it?
phil labonte
Yep.
ian crossland
I was told the Beatles were rock and roll my whole life, but it's just so light.
nancy mace
I think they're rock and roll.
libby emmons
Well, some of it's light and some of it's not.
nancy mace
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, Christopher Murphy says, California had decades to figure this out.
Why didn't they do it?
Clean your effing forests.
Also, we cover California about their ish.
Where was the attention in Florida?
I lost my home two years ago in Ian.
Well, I mean, the problem I see is that Ian can control the weather, but he won't stop these disasters.
ian crossland
I was exhausted last night, dude.
So you have the magnetic...
Your body has a magnetic field that's generating, and the Earth has a magnetic field, and they're interwoven.
tim pool
Ian's neurodivergent.
ian crossland
And so you can maneuver clouds with your, I don't know, willpower, or whatever it is, but you will literally see them dissipate or coagulate, depending on...
The type of energy you put into it.
tim pool
Phil's shaking his head.
ian crossland
I've brought storms together.
I've caught clouds.
nancy mace
I love Phil's head reactions.
ian crossland
Phil's like, prove it.
Show me the numbers.
Mathematics and design.
Give me a tool to measure it.
tim pool
Ian also stares at the sun.
ian crossland
Many, many times I've moved the clouds around.
And I've had people watch me do it.
Luke Rutkowski will vouch.
But anyway, it's exhausting.
And I only really can tell if I'm right underneath the clouds.
Because I can't verify it's working.
nancy mace
Can we imbibe anything before we move the clouds?
ian crossland
20 years, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, there you go.
The truth comes out.
ian crossland
Yeah, you feel the energy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, all right.
What have we here?
Not Him says the development companies invested in by the rich are salivating over the fires just like the Hawaii fires getting ready to pay pennies now.
Buying up land and property?
I don't see how the Palisades becomes worth anything.
I mean, this was a wealthy area, largely.
Now what?
There's nothing there.
libby emmons
Well, yeah.
I mean, I guess, like, people would be able to rebuild.
I think that people are rebuilding in Lahaina, right?
But that's...
That's being hindered.
nancy mace
If insurance will pay it out, but that'll have to be subsidized by other states and other people in other states.
That's what has happened.
libby emmons
Yeah, exactly.
And there was something, too.
I mean, what's going to happen if big developers want to come in and buy up all this land?
Isn't that just going to displace people permanently?
nancy mace
That's the concern right now.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Like BlackRock and whoever else.
nancy mace
Yep.
libby emmons
Wasn't there something recently in Congress about Lahaina?
There was like a...
Something that went through to make it some kind of like protected historical area, but that you could build in?
nancy mace
I'm not sure.
libby emmons
I wonder if something like that would be possible.
phil labonte
Everyone's familiar with the old saying, location, location, location.
Like you can't get more California coastline.
So if you have a lot there, even though you've lost your home and lost a lot of the value, the lot itself has still got a good amount of value, you know, and you still own it.
The fact that you don't have insurance now because California ran the insurance companies out of California is a problem.
But I mean...
You know, I do imagine that there are some people that would sell to, like, BlackRock or whoever.
libby emmons
It would suck to be paying a mortgage on a house that got burned down, like paying your car payment after your car's been totaled.
This would be worse.
phil labonte
Yeah.
libby emmons
Because those homes are, like, millions and millions of dollars.
nancy mace
It's a very small piece of land.
libby emmons
Yeah, very small.
nancy mace
And those houses are sometimes on top of each other because the land is so valuable.
libby emmons
And they're right next to each other, which, of course, contributes to the spread of the fires.
tim pool
This is interesting.
Interesting.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's really interesting.
I was talking to this friend of mine in California who's done all this research, and she was saying that the houses being really close together, the amount of vegetation, people just grow bamboo in their yards.
This is a very bad thing.
This doesn't do anything to help.
Combined with the poor management of the forest and the water, it was like perfect conditions for total conflagration.
unidentified
Wow.
phil labonte
Good word.
tim pool
Daniel Holtham says they want to collapse the global financial system.
Then they get right to the rescue with CBDCs.
ian crossland
Who's that?
unidentified
Who are you talking about?
ian crossland
You're probably talking about the big banking industry coming out of Switzerland.
tim pool
Powerful interests.
Corporations.
ian crossland
Like the BlackRock ESG movement.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
The World Economic Forum and stuff.
Yeah, they want to own the world through money.
Economic victory.
tim pool
Thomas Ruff says, as a resultant of Goose Creek, would Rep Mace please primary Lindsey Graham in 2026?
Please, pretty please.
nancy mace
That's my hometown.
I'm from a little town called Goose Creek, South Carolina, and right next to that was Ladson, and I worked at the first Waffle House, exit 203 in Ladson, right nearby where that gentleman.
Lives in South Carolina.
tim pool
Are you going to primary Lindsey Graham?
nancy mace
No, I am not.
But I am thinking about running statewide at some point in the future.
We are thinking about it right now.
tim pool
Have you talked publicly more about that?
nancy mace
Nope.
First time I've ever said it.
Oh, hello.
tim pool
Can you elaborate on this?
nancy mace
Not right now, because I'm just ruminating about it.
We're thinking about it.
Until you're a candidate to raise or spend so much money, you're not a candidate yet.
But we are definitely looking at it statewide.
phil labonte
I mean, if you decide not to run statewide, you should definitely think about running for Lindsey Graham's seat.
tim pool
Right.
nancy mace
I love serving in the House, too.
I'm on oversight.
I'm on House Armed Services.
What I've done in a short period of time is incredible.
Everything we did last week and being on the phone with the Trump and the Speaker and the last two holdouts last week, getting this bill through next week, I mean, it's been an incredible time as well.
tim pool
Can you elaborate on what statewide means, or are you going to leave it there?
nancy mace
I'm going to let you hang.
All right, all right.
tim pool
All right.
Well, maybe people will start writing up wild rumors just making, you know what I mean?
Corporate press is going to write whatever they want.
All right, let's go.
We got Greg Beaudry.
I'm from NorCal.
I'm 30, a GC, married with three kids.
My mortgage is $5,300 a month for a four-bedroom, and they tell us our values comes from sending water to SoCal, but they really send it into the ocean.
Yep.
That's tough.
Oh, I love that.
nancy mace
That's a great quote.
tim pool
That's true.
nancy mace
And we attracted innovation.
phil labonte
Liberty made us great.
nancy mace
Liberty, that's right.
We have a lot of liberty in this room, right Libby?
libby emmons
Lots of libs.
nancy mace
Lots of libs.
Yeah, but we attracted innovation.
We've got to continue that.
But our bureaucracy, government bureaucracy, has made us so big and so slow.
We've slowed down, and that's why China's at our heels.
tim pool
Elliot Cruz says, can we start an Adam Carolla was right jar?
phil labonte
I mean, he's pretty good.
tim pool
Well, I mean, is the implication that you just fill up the jar really quickly?
phil labonte
Maybe.
What do you want to do with money in the jar?
tim pool
You buy beer at the end of the week?
phil labonte
We don't drink beer.
tim pool
I'm saying they do.
phil labonte
Oh, them, okay.
tim pool
They want to start it.
phil labonte
You could start it if you want.
nancy mace
You want to drink coffee, low-acidity coffee.
phil labonte
Not this late, but yes.
ian crossland
I just had a bunch of coffee.
I'm sorry about the tangent, guys.
Let's go.
tim pool
I mean, the crazy thing is that we can see Ian's coffee sales in real time, you know?
ian crossland
Are they triplicating as we speak?
phil labonte
Oh, my God.
tim pool
Ian sold 100 bags.
ian crossland
We sold them together, Tim.
Hey, buy more.
nancy mace
Oh, my gosh.
More than 100, actually.
Just over 100. It was 1667, wasn't it?
phil labonte
Yeah.
nancy mace
1697?
ian crossland
Send me a review on Twitter.
nancy mace
1667. Wow.
unidentified
Tag me and Cas Brew and let me know what you think.
ian crossland
It's interesting.
tim pool
Let's see if in the next five minutes Ian can sell off 1,561 bags of Ian's Graphene Dream over at Casper.
ian crossland
It can happen.
Very improbable.
tim pool
And this is putting Ian through college.
I'm finally going to have to go back to school.
phil labonte
There's like 47,000 people watching right now.
A thousand of you guys could go and buy a bag of coffee.
tim pool
We were going to do a coffee contest between Ian and Alex Stein.
And then we checked the numbers and like...
Alex's coffee is like, it sells okay.
It's two times caffeine.
And then like Ian sold five.
Okay, so let me explain.
When it says left in stock, 1,561.
This is my understanding of it.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.
This means printed colored bags.
The coffee is made to order in small batches.
The bags are filled and sent out.
So we order 5,000 bags thinking like this should be good for the year or whatever.
And then Ian sold it all in a month.
I can't believe that happened.
That's crazy.
ian crossland
It's the low-acidity.
I didn't even know what a low-acidity coffee was until one of my hyper-hippie friends turned me on to it.
That's awesome!
tim pool
I have to imagine it's largely just people saying, I have acid indigestion, I have an upset stomach, I want the low-acidity coffee.
ian crossland
It is really nice that that's an option.
tim pool
Or maybe it's just they really want that picture of Ian.
ian crossland
The bag's pretty cool.
You could hang it on a wall.
nancy mace
I can't wait to try it.
Like, I really want to see, because I drink coffee every single day.
I want to try it out.
ian crossland
Yeah.
nancy mace
See what it tastes like.
ian crossland
It's crisp.
nancy mace
Yeah.
ian crossland
Mentioned it earlier.
nancy mace
Cider?
ian crossland
Like cider without the sweetness.
nancy mace
Without the sweetness.
ian crossland
I told you tonight.
nancy mace
I remembered, by the way.
unidentified
How does Sleepy Joe actually sell?
tim pool
I don't know.
So we have Sleepy Joe.
It's decaf.
nancy mace
Oh, that is brilliant.
That is brilliant.
tim pool
Who came up with that one?
ian crossland
I know my dad bought a bag, though.
He loved it.
tim pool
Sleepy Joe.
And Unwoke.
nancy mace
Unwoke.
tim pool
Unwoke and Sleepy Joe.
unidentified
Oh, Unwoke.
libby emmons
That's cute.
nancy mace
What kind is Unwoke?
unidentified
Decaf.
tim pool
Yeah, they're both decaf.
One's light, one's dark.
I don't know which one.
Yeah.
nancy mace
I'm not going there.
tim pool
What do we have?
We have Phil dressed like Santa Claus.
Oh, that's cute.
nancy mace
Two weeks till Christmas.
phil labonte
It's for a gingerbread coffee.
ian crossland
Oh, have you had it yet?
libby emmons
Did you do some kind of basic bitch pumpkin spice thing?
tim pool
We had Mr. Bocas Pumpkin Spice Experience.
But we have ended that one.
It's now only available if you're a coffee member.
Yeah, Sleepy Joe, there's 550 left, which means we've probably sold, I don't know for sure, but 5,000 bags.
That's quite a bit.
That's over a year and a half.
phil labonte
Who wants decaf coffee?
libby emmons
I don't see a lot of TimCast members and viewers being decaf people, I gotta say.
unidentified
Oh, the cat one.
libby emmons
Very cute.
tim pool
See, I didn't even realize we had Focus with Mr. Bocas espresso roast up.
Dude, look at that guy.
nancy mace
Oh my goodness.
Is he from Ohio?
tim pool
Mr. Bocas?
No.
nancy mace
Oh, that's your cat.
tim pool
Yeah.
Rest in peace.
nancy mace
Rest in peace.
tim pool
But I didn't even shout this out.
I don't think I was adequately informed that Focus with Mr. Bocas espresso roast is now available.
Look at that third eye.
nancy mace
He's really pretty.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was a great cat.
nancy mace
He's beautiful.
ian crossland
Super cool.
I thought about him yesterday.
tim pool
I thought I saw him yesterday.
Pissed everywhere.
ian crossland
I walked out in the front room and I just felt his energy.
tim pool
I went to the castle, the old studio, and I was walking up to check out equipment and there's just that yellow stain in the corner and I said, how is this not clean?
ian crossland
Look at you two.
tim pool
Where are our cleaners?
This cat's been dead for a year.
libby emmons
It's the stain that doesn't come out.
It's like the...
ian crossland
They die, but the smell will live.
tim pool
Or maybe I just found one spot they didn't get to.
But we haven't been there since April, so...
libby emmons
It's the urine ghost of Mr. Bokus.
ian crossland
Gets in the mat underneath the carpet.
You gotta rip it up.
tim pool
Focus with Mr. Bokus.
Look at that bag.
ian crossland
That cat was so chill for being a wild street guy.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
He respected you.
tim pool
There you go.
Alright, we'll grab some more Super Chats over here.
Big Fat Irving says, usually Ian drives me up the wall.
Tonight he impressed me.
He was nerding out with Rhett Mays, asking all the right questions.
He hasn't even brought up graphene, and every time Libby snorts while laughing, an angel is born.
ian crossland
We talked about graphene before the show, though.
nancy mace
Yeah, we did.
ian crossland
That was awesome.
Maybe we did on the show, too.
tim pool
Jacob, I says, will you ask Nancy Mays if Derek Chauvin should have been found guilty?
nancy mace
Well, we know more now than we did before, and he should be released.
At the time, a lot of us were upset.
I mirrored President Trump's comments at the time, but we know more.
We have the autopsy.
We have the report.
I know he was under the influence and was also sick, so he should be— Floyd was.
Floyd was, yes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
nancy mace
Not Chauvin.
tim pool
And now we're hearing that it's like 14 officers claimed that this other cop perjured herself.
libby emmons
Alpha news.
nancy mace
It's like everything else.
The media tells you one story and you think when you talk on it publicly, you're doing the right thing.
Then you learn a year, six months, however much later, the facts were completely different.
tim pool
Yep.
nancy mace
And a lie.
tim pool
Yeah.
nancy mace
Yeah.
tim pool
And yeah, I think Derek Chauvin should be released.
At least, you know, he's got federal charges too.
Well, Trump can deal with that.
But I don't know about state-level charges.
libby emmons
Well, and the whole thing recently, the Department of Justice required Minneapolis cops to do a whole reform thing, and they just came to an agreement about using less force and all of these other super-woke, anti-police, defund-the-police policies that are going to be implemented, and it's perhaps all entirely based on lies and fabrications.
tim pool
Indeed.
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Rep Mace, would you like to shout anything out?
nancy mace
My website.
Thanks for having me on.
Again, this was awesome to be here.
I've been following you for a long time.
Longtime lurker.
NancyMace.org if you want to chip in.
Or you can follow me online on X at NancyMace.
Would love the support, the continued support.
Because this is a fight we're going to have.
And I could use all the help I could get.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for hanging out.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
You can find me at The Post Millennial and you can check out my newsletter at thepostmillennial.com slash Libby and that would come to you every day.
And Tim, I was just thinking, you know, you have all this coffee, you don't have any tea.
We could do Libby's, spill the tea, you know, it could be fun.
tim pool
All right, let's do it.
nancy mace
That's a great idea.
libby emmons
It could be a lot of fun.
Yeah, spill the tea.
I like it.
ian crossland
That's very cool.
I was just enjoying that one.
Hey, we got another game jam coming up.
So I'm going to be hosting.
I'm actually not hosting.
Romination puts these things on.
They're badass.
And I'm going to be one of the judges.
I think Adam Kregler is going to be the other judge.
And what happens is all these developers get together over the course of like three weeks.
They make games, and then we play them and judge them live on TV. So come watch that.
I'll be putting out more info on that on Twitter.
Nancy, it was great to see you, man.
Good to talk to you.
I've enjoyed following your stuff at least for the last year, so it was really great to meet you.
nancy mace
It's been an honor to be here.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was badass.
So catch you guys later.
Follow me, Ian Crossland, on all the socials.
See you later.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix, where you can subscribe to my page.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
And on January 31st, our 10th record will be released.
It is called Anti-Fragile.
Go to Spotify and pre-save right now if you want to get a taste of some of the songs on there.
You can check out Forever Cold, Let You Go, No Tomorrow, and Divine.
They're on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, and Deezer.
And don't forget, The Left Lane is for Crime.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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