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Biden DEMANDS Gun Control Over Abundant Life Christian School Tragedy w/Richie McGinniss|Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Today there was a very tragic event at a Christian school.
It was targeted by an individual who was clearly unwell, and there were many people who lost their lives.
We'll get into the details of that.
We don't know a lot about what happened just yet.
Rumors are circulating over the identity of the perpetrator of this mass tragedy.
But already we can see the hypocrisy with Democrats calling for gun control, Biden himself.
Now, I'm just confused by this because it was only, I don't know, It's only I don't know, like a week ago that a CEO lost his life in an assassination.
And Joe Biden did not issue any calls for gun control.
And Democrats largely just shut up.
Well, many of the more liberal leftist voter base cheered for it and are seeking to profit off of it.
Now, I know you may be saying these leftists are deranged.
They don't represent Democrats.
Let me just point out the point of contention.
Joe Biden calling for gun control now, but not back then.
What separates these incidents?
They're tragedies.
Well, fine.
I don't think gun control is the answer, but we're going to talk about this.
And again, there's a lot of rumors as to the identity of the individual, but I don't think we know anything for sure just yet.
But we will talk about what is being reported.
And then, of course, we have the drone story.
The rumors over the weekend is that nuclear material has gone missing.
I believe this to be largely exaggerated, but it is true.
And many believe that these drones are actually government drones searching for nuclear material.
That may be the case, but I do think we're just not going to know.
And panicking or hyping up rumors is certainly not going to help anybody.
And then in more, I guess, kind of horrifying but funny news, CNN may have accidentally committed treason.
CNN filmed this segment where they freed a prisoner from an Assad prison.
As it turns out, it's being reported the individual is actually working for the Assad regime as part of the Assad, the Syrian Air Force, and was known to be a torturer, an extortionist.
And CNN freed help, freed the man and provide him with food.
So, you know, I just aiding and abetting enemies of this country is largely what they consider treason.
But now I get it.
I'm being somewhat tongue in cheek.
I don't think CNN knowingly was intending to assist the Assad regime forces.
It's a funny story, nonetheless.
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unidentified
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Welcome back, sir.
Who are you?
What do you do?
richie mcginniss
I'm Richie McGinnis.
I had a front row seat to some of the least peaceful protests in American history.
And I just released a book called Riot Diet.
And you can read all about the narrative machine and what it's like to get caught up in there.
tim pool
So what are a few of these moments?
I mean, you were there.
You were literally standing next to the dude in Kenosha after he attacked Rittenhouse and Rittenhouse fired on him.
You actually rendered aid to the guy, and you were there on January 6th.
You've basically been literally everywhere.
richie mcginniss
I was in the Chaz.
I was in Portland.
I was in D.C., New York, Kenosha, Wauwatosa, the border.
I went to Rudy's apartment to get the Hunter Biden laptop and...
That was, I mean, that was an experience.
And this, Riot Diet 1 goes through Kenosha, and then Riot Diet 2 covers everything on the MAGA side of things.
tim pool
We got a lot to talk about, so thanks for returning, good sir, Richie McGinnis.
We got Shane hanging out.
shane cashman
Of all those places, all those events, what was your favorite?
richie mcginniss
The favorite was the Chaz, because that was like, I mean, it was definitely crazy, and there was...
Some scary moments, but the Chaz is just a bizarre culture.
I mean, it was its own country within the United States.
shane cashman
Was that the rapper Overlord?
richie mcginniss
Yeah, so that chapter is called Lord of the Chaz, and the warlord's name is Raz.
shane cashman
That's awesome.
tim pool
Raz the Chaz.
richie mcginniss
And it was Lord of the Flies.
shane cashman
I'm Shane Cashman, I'm the host of Inverted World Live, author of books.
Hi, Phil.
phil labonte
Hi, how you doing?
Richie, I have a question for you.
Considering you've been to all of these riots and stuff, do you feel like you're the reason for the riots?
People get excited that Richie's coming.
richie mcginniss
Well, that's why I think I have to retire.
I spent, I think, one too many times ended up being part of the story.
But that is part of what the book is about is, you know, the difference between the observer and the observed.
phil labonte
Awesome.
Fair enough.
I am Phil Labonte.
I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All There Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's go.
tim pool
Well, here's the shocking news.
We'll start right off the bat with the story.
Abundant Life Christian School was targeted today.
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporting student and teacher killed in Madison school shooting that also left shooter dead, six others injured.
We don't know a lot about this.
This is a private Christian school that was targeted.
There are a lot of rumors circulating.
Right now, the rumors are that the shooter was a young teenager who attended the school and was a radical feminist.
But again, I don't know that any of that is true.
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel says the horror of a school shooting struck the Madison area for the second time in seven months on Monday when police say a teenager shot eight people before taking their own life at a private Christian school.
In total, a student and teacher were killed and six were injured.
Two of them are in critical condition with life threatening injuries.
They're going to mention shock and grief across Wisconsin as news of the shooting at Abundant Life School spread Monday.
As police methodically cleared the K-12 school, which sits on a 28-acre campus with a preschool and a church, city buses took students to a clinic down the road, serving as a reunification point.
Some children peered up the bus windows, waving to news crews gathered near the school.
Thanks for letting us know that you news crews were getting attention from the children who are fleeing a tragic event.
Now, we don't know exactly what happened.
They say around 10.57 a.m., dispatchers received the call.
There are a lot of rumors.
Initial rumors was that it was a trans person.
I think this was largely due to the police saying we don't know the gender.
And then everyone basically said, well, if we don't know the gender of the person and they're staring at the person, it must be an ambiguous individual.
I don't think that's the case.
I think the police just genuinely didn't know.
But there is a lot of information going around.
Andy Ngo has a Twitter thread making some assertions, I would call it, or I should say reporting on this, though I have not confirmed any of this.
I personally believe some of this to be incorrect, but I don't know for sure.
So far be it for me to say Andy No is or is not right.
But this is what he's reported.
He said that it was a 15-year-old girl.
I'm not going to say the name of the individual who had carried out the mass shooting in the school library, according to the source, using the name online as Sam, despite that not being the individual's name.
And the username online CrossSixer.
She had an extensive online obsession with school shooters and death, particularly the Columbine high school shooting.
The individual was a big fan of KMFDM rock band, which also referenced by one of the Columbine shooters.
She often wore the shirt of the band.
This individual's online friends identified the count, which reported to belong to the shooter soon after news broke.
So I saw this and I immediately asked, how are we confirming any of this?
And I don't know that it's been confirmed.
I don't know if you guys have seen anything confirming any of this information.
unidentified
Nothing.
shane cashman
I saw someone else said it was a 17-year-old.
tim pool
Yeah, so, you know, it was tough because when we're getting ready to do, when we're doing pre-production, obviously this is the big story right now.
We're wondering what the motivations of this individual was, why they targeted a Christian school.
It may be as simply as they attended the school.
It may be ideologically motivated.
We just really don't know.
And rumors are flying as this is dominating the news cycle.
But in front of that, we can get into what the development is.
And we have this from Milwaukee Journal.
Biden calls for tougher gun control laws after Madison, Wisconsin school shooting at Abundant Life Christian School.
Issuing a press release almost immediately after this, which I find to be, I'm sorry, I call it despicable.
Biden says, I just want to throw out there as we're getting going.
Biden, where was your statement after the CEO was shot in the back by a deranged ideologue, allegedly?
I think it's rather interesting that when it's cold-blooded murder in public, Democrats are nowhere to be found except for those saying, well, murder's wrong, but...
Then when you get a tragedy like this, which of course is a tragedy, Democrats pop up immediately and try and push for these laws.
phil labonte
It's very frustrating that they immediately go to the politically useful topic, which is gun control, and And when it comes to people that they are ostensibly aligned with, or people that ostensibly align with things the left thinks, they're silent.
When Joe Biden's son breaks the law and commits a felony on a 4477, the...
The form you fill out to get a gun.
He lies on the form.
He pardons him so that way he doesn't have to deal with the consequences.
It's disgusting.
It's absolutely par for the course, though.
It is not unexpected.
It is exactly what you would anticipate.
Goes to a Christian school, which people will argue that Christians are not targeted.
And again, I'm an agnostic, so it's not like I'm the guy that's like, oh, you're attacking me because I don't identify as a Christian.
But like you're attacking Christians and the only thing they have to say is the guns, right?
The fact that the LGBTQ lobby has been as anti-Christian and going after Christians for as long as they have the whole cake maker in Colorado, that was not about cakes.
That was all about getting back at Christians because they hate Christians.
They feel the LGBTQ lobby feels like they've been persecuted by Christians and they feel like now is the time for us to get them back.
And this is the same kind of attitude.
And I think it's disgusting that no one in the Democrat side will even address the realities of the situation.
The only thing you hear is, well, you know, gun control.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
Well, Biden, he implied that Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist after the Kenosha shooting with absolutely zero evidence whatsoever.
You know, just because he had some posts that supported Donald Trump.
Like, okay, so then they make that leap.
And it's just terrible to see these kinds of tragedies get turned into these political issues that, you know, just trying to score points.
shane cashman
Politicians love turning dead children into human shields for their policy.
That's their favorite thing.
tim pool
No sympathy for CEOs.
I get it.
You know, a teacher and a kid is...
Look, I'm sorry.
I think life is valuable.
Life is precious.
Individuals have their more worth.
But children being killed is substantially more heinous than an adult individual.
But I look at both of them like...
There's weight to these.
We try to figure out...
What we as a society are supposed to be doing and how we should react to these situations.
I don't believe that gun control is the appropriate response, but I will stress that when it is alleged that a deranged leftist murdered a CEO for insane reasons that make no sense, there's not a peep.
They don't care at all.
Bernie Sanders comes out.
And once again, you got Elizabeth Warren saying, look, you know, it's bad, but people can only be pushed so far.
Bernie Sanders defends her.
I think he defended her twice now saying, look, of course, she's not condoning murder.
But the people in this country, I'm like, stop saying that.
These are unrelated.
The issue of a CEO being shot in the back and killed is totally unrelated to the issue of health care.
When Bernie and Warren say, but people can only be pushed so far, they're literally saying that they believe the assassination will make a difference in health care, that people are targeting them to make a difference.
It won't.
It makes no difference.
Charlemagne the guy, did you hear what he said about this?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
He was like, I don't understand why they're celebrating this.
It's some father who died.
Nothing changed.
Prices aren't going down.
Healthcare isn't changing.
Literally everything stayed the same except that some dad, some guy who is a father of two is just dead.
Why are you celebrating this?
richie mcginniss
And now they just have more security.
tim pool
More security, less transparency.
So my point ultimately is these people are deranged ideologues.
The fact that they dumped this political statement out so quickly is shockingly offensive.
I'm not surprised.
Biden is fried.
He's selling off the border while Trump's calling him out over this.
These people are despicable.
shane cashman
They don't care about kids.
This is so fake to me.
If they cared about kids, they wouldn't want to cut off their genitals.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
They literally sacrifice their children all the time, and they use this as an example to set the policy of taking the guns away, which is what they do want to do.
They don't want you to be armed.
They don't like you.
phil labonte
How many abortions are carried out every year?
shane cashman
Dude, it's a stupid amount.
One is too much.
phil labonte
Is it millions?
Is it actually millions?
richie mcginniss
Yeah, I think it's millions.
phil labonte
I haven't looked at that, but I mean...
There's not a...
You know, the left is pro...
tim pool
73 million worldwide.
phil labonte
73 million abortions per year are carried out.
And there are roughly...
richie mcginniss
One million, yeah.
phil labonte
There are roughly 10,000 murders with firearms every year in the United States.
shane cashman
We don't hear about Chicago.
phil labonte
And you don't...
Yeah, and it's...
richie mcginniss
That's the other thing.
phil labonte
The Democrats have such a warped view of the left.
Let's call it the left because I would like to see the normal Democrats come back.
But the left has such an absolutely disgustingly warped view of the world.
They literally believe evil is good and good is evil.
It's as flipped upside down as you possibly can be.
And I think that...
There have been signs for this for a long time.
I mean, when Michelle Wolf, I think her name is, when she did the Shout Your Abortion skit on, I think it was on Colbert's show.
tim pool
No, no, it was on her show.
phil labonte
Was it on her show?
tim pool
She had a show on Netflix.
richie mcginniss
It got canceled shortly.
tim pool
Right, yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, that was repugnant.
And I was talking to a Democrat trying to explain to this person.
I was like, listen, I understand that you care about a woman being able to have the choice to have an abortion or not.
I get it.
But don't you see that the people that are working against you, the right, the pro-life people, when they see Michelle Wolf...
They think that woman is a literal ghoul in the actual dictionary definitional terms of what a ghoul is.
Like celebrating death.
That's exactly what she's doing.
And then they tell us that we're supposed to...
To be like, oh, you have to get rid of your guns even though the people that legally own guns in the United States are the most law-abiding citizens in the country.
Of all the groups that you could possibly...
All the different ways that you could possibly group people, the people that own guns and have firearms as a hobby or have them for self-defense are the most law-abiding Americans in the country.
And those people have to give up their rights because someone misused a firearm, not...
And every person that's a gun owner would condemn it.
Every single one.
But then, again, they'll go ahead and they'll be like, look, you gotta be able to kill babies, and look, man, you gotta understand that people are mad, so when this guy shoots a CEO in the back like a coward, you gotta go ahead and you gotta give him a little leeway.
It is disgusting.
The left in the United States is completely and totally, feels completely and totally free to say the most atrocious, heinous, vile, Evil things.
Just go to Blue Sky and look at the way they talk.
tim pool
Oh, dude.
shane cashman
Shout out to Alex Rosen for kissing all those people.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
But this is funny.
It's like when you create a MAGA version of Twitter like Parler or Truth, they're all saying like, no more bad things.
We don't want bad people.
We want accountability.
And when you make a liberal version, it's a whole bunch of deranged fetishists and pedos all like just it's look.
shane cashman
So like half of D.C.? Yeah, it's funny.
tim pool
I called it the pool filter of modern society.
It's good that it exists, and I'm glad they launched it because all of the refuse is being filtered out of X. We don't need those weird lunatics over here.
We don't want none of that.
shane cashman
Yeah, I'm glad.
I'm glad.
It's crazy, though.
They're bloodthirsty, like what Phil's saying.
They have bloodlust.
And you saying that makes me think of Chaz.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
shane cashman
You know, these places, you saw the bloodthirsty.
richie mcginniss
They gave up the police precinct.
Carmen Best, who was the first female and the first black police commissioner in Seattle's history, capitulated the East Precinct to The protesters.
And what was the first thing that they did after they took over the six block area?
They created not walls, but barriers.
phil labonte
She should be in jail.
richie mcginniss
To put up barriers.
And they put armed guards at the barriers.
So the first night we were in Chaz, we interviewed a kid who, I'm not even kidding you, had a needlepoint.
I have a photo of it in the book.
A needlepoint belt that was...
I'm holstering a desert eagle that was swinging around as he was swinging around.
And I go, dude, that's a pretty interesting holster you got there.
He's like, oh yeah, my mom made it.
I'm like, if I made that up, you would say that there's no way.
shane cashman
Didn't innocent kids die at Chaz?
richie mcginniss
Or was that- Yes, at the end of Chaz, Chaz was shut down after not one but two black kids, 19 and 16 years old, were killed.
And my question that I ask in the book is, all these companies, major corporations that are based in Seattle, they're donating hundreds of millions of dollars to Black Lives Matter and related causes.
Do they donate to those kids' families?
phil labonte
Of course not.
shane cashman
Of course not, because they don't care about kids.
They care about their favorite language, which is violence to obtain power.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to this next story from James O'Keefe.
While we're on the subject of Joe Biden being despicable, I think it's important to point out.
Now, in the earlier segment, we were discussing Joe Biden calling for gun control, but Joe Biden is gone.
He's gone.
We have this video from James O'Keefe, shocking undercover video.
Quote, Joe Biden is dead.
National Security Council advisor inside the White House details Biden can't say a sentence.
Henry Appel, a former spy who currently works the intelligence program programs directorate for the NSC, reveals we are concerned about Trump coming after us.
We are trauma bonded.
There were a lot of tears.
Heavens me.
Let's just play the intro and see what James can show us.
unidentified
Well, here's the team.
Joe Biden is, like, dead.
She, like, can't just say a sentence.
She's, like, really, like, progressed in this whole thing.
Everybody recognized her.
I can't believe it wasn't a bigger scandal.
He'll be dead in a year.
james okeefe
Henry Appel, an advisor for the National Security Council Henry Appel shared that President Biden had called the NSC White House phone while on a foreign trip, looking for NSC advisor Jake Sullivan.
Henry told the president that, in fact, Mr. Sullivan was not at the White House, but on the same foreign trip as President Biden.
unidentified
My boss was on an international schedule with him, like, in Europe or something.
The phone rang in the office, and I was like, oh, this president.
It's Henry.
He was like, he's straight there.
He's like, no, he's traveling with you.
He's on the same trip that you are.
james okeefe
In another encounter with President Biden, Henry Appel from the National Security Council revealed a phone call exchange.
On the call, Biden was asking for NSC advisor Jake Sullivan.
Henry told Biden that Sullivan had left the office for the day.
Biden stated he would call Sullivan's personal phone.
Instead, Biden called the same office 10 seconds later asking for Sullivan again.
unidentified
I was like, the last one in my office?
You're going to be a call from my boss.
And so I picked up the phone and said, we'll have this present, like, Henry on Jane's phone.
He's up for the day, but I can try to get him.
I'm going for you.
And he, like, asked me some questions.
I was like, I don't know, like, when we get the tracker down, I'll just call a Secret Service detail.
I'll try his un-cost Biden phone.
Then like 10 seconds later, same phone.
I picked it up again.
I was like, hi, it's Henry.
He was like, is Jake there?
I was like, no, you called the same office.
james okeefe
Henry Appel stated that President Biden did not understand basic words in meetings at the White House.
unidentified
Another time my boss went into brief then, I had written a ton of points.
I said like, oh, this is like a novel phenomenon or something.
I guess I'm like, it's new.
Like, it hasn't been done before.
shane cashman
The interviewer's working.
I watched it.
I was like, a novel?
unidentified
Like, what do you mean?
Like, a book?
tim pool
Wow.
unidentified
The true meanings of the word novel.
tim pool
There's a lot more here.
But I think the important thing that he said was, I'm surprised it wasn't a bigger scandal earlier.
This is what's fascinating about the work of James O'Keefe, the undercover videos that Crowder has done.
The corporate press is such a thin veneer at this point.
You can see through it like there's nothing even there.
There's a guy standing in front of you, but we're looking right past him and we can see Joe Biden has been gone for a long time.
And the only reason it wasn't a scandal sooner is because, I gotta be honest, I think collectively all the Democrats just know they're lying.
shane cashman
You didn't believe Joe Scarborough?
phil labonte
Yeah.
shane cashman
He said he was the best Biden he's ever seen.
tim pool
I know that Joe Scarborough is a liar.
I know that Joe Scarborough knows he's lying.
But I think actually that the average Democrat voter knows they're lying too.
And they're just saying it because they think that's what they're supposed to say.
shane cashman
You think it took up until that first debate with Trump for them to be like, for the average voter to be like, whoa, this guy is not right.
Or do they know beforehand?
tim pool
I think most Democrats knew.
And they're all, look, come on.
There's this viral video where it's Ted Cruz.
And I can't remember who he's talking to, but he asks about men and women's sports.
And he's like, what is the purpose of women's sports?
And she says something like, sports are a great way.
And he goes, no, no, no, no, no.
What is the point of women's sports?
And then he pulls up a study.
A study was done in 2017 that found that women's records, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, wait, wait, guys, guys.
We as human beings of rational thought do not need scientific studies to tell us men run faster, jump farther, lift more, etc., etc.
These people know this too.
These Democrats know.
They're all just lying because they think that's what they're supposed to say to adhere to their cult.
So that's the same thing with this.
When he says, I'm surprised it wasn't a bigger scandal earlier.
Well, yeah, you're in a cult, dude.
It's a cult.
They know the truth.
They just won't say it.
shane cashman
I knew a guy who was in a cult, and they believed that you couldn't die.
And then when someone did die, they went through all the mental loopholes of how to explain this away.
He must have not been a true believer, all these things.
But this is the same thing.
You're in a cult, and all of a sudden this person is dead.
We've known Joe Biden's dead, I mean, me personally, for 30 years.
Maybe just a few years, but it's been very obvious.
tim pool
But obviously right now, I think it's hard for me to say this.
We have to draw the distinction between we are saying he is figuratively dead.
shane cashman
I'm saying literally dead.
tim pool
No, no, no.
shane cashman
This is a clone, but go on.
tim pool
What I mean is because of the prospect of Joe Biden's old age that he may be nearing the end of his life, I think it's important to stress we're talking about figuratively is the quote, because if you said to somebody that Joe Biden has died, they'll be like, well, yeah, I mean, he's gone.
But what he's saying is, and again, I have to clarify this because Joe Biden may be not long for this world.
I mean, no disrespect.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, it almost makes you feel bad for him.
tim pool
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
Because I lost my dad to brain cancer and there's no nerve endings in your brain.
And so when that's happening, you know, like they're not really aware of it.
Like my dad would like, you know, he'd take like a bottle off the ground and he'd like...
He hadn't smoked in years and he'd try to smoke a water bottle.
And he has no clue what's going on.
You feel bad for the guy.
He's been put in this situation.
tim pool
Richie, quick question.
Who's running the country?
phil labonte
Donald Trump.
tim pool
Actually, that's true.
richie mcginniss
A bunch of bureaucrats.
A bunch of bureaucrats is the answer.
tim pool
No, but Trump is actually doing more as not president than Biden's doing as president.
phil labonte
Internationally, countries are responding to Donald Trump as if he's in charge now.
Sure, the bureaucracies here in the U.S. haven't started, you know, there hasn't been the changes necessary, and there's likely attempts by the Biden administration to do a little bit of hamstringing, like selling off the wall parts and stuff like that.
But for the most part, like, the whole country is responding to Donald Trump as if Donald Trump is running the country, because Donald Trump is running the country.
shane cashman
The whole world.
unidentified
Yeah, the whole world.
richie mcginniss
Also, that question, I mean, so if Joe Biden isn't running the country, and there are a bunch of allegedly smart people who are, then with, I went to the border in 2021, right after Biden got elected, they had contracts on that wall that they literally had already paid out, and people were just sitting in trailers while the wall was just rusting in a lot.
And you have to ask yourself, if there are smart people who are making those decisions, like, what is their agenda?
unidentified
Collapse.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, I mean, I don't have any other answer other than that.
tim pool
Yo, the Biden admin is selling off the border wall.
They are intentionally sabotaging this country.
For pennies on the dollar.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, it's intentional at that point.
It has to be.
tim pool
There's no question.
Because they're not making money.
If it was like, we're at a budget shortfall, let's sell this.
They wouldn't just be giving it away.
They're ripping apart them.
Trump talked about this in a press conference.
He said, please, Biden, stop doing this.
phil labonte
This is reminiscent.
I'm not trying to make allusions to the worst people of the 20th century.
I'm not saying the Democrats are like the Nazis, but When you have a party that clearly has lost the plot by doubling down on the bad things that they're doing as opposed to doing good things.
Like when the Nazis knew that they could either stop killing Jews and hopefully help their position in the war, they doubled down on killing Jews.
And so that's kind of what...
It's like he could stop doing things that hurt the country and try and help with the transition, but instead he's decided to double down on doing things that hurt the country.
shane cashman
His whole career has been for evil.
That's why I don't feel sympathy for him.
He's been a career demon for decades and I feel no sympathy for him at all.
I think it's sad when it's old people outside of this guy, but this guy has...
Look what he just granted clemency To a judge who was selling...
richie mcginniss
Or the dude with the kitty porn.
Kitty, sorry.
Well, I guess I'm not allowed to say.
Well, the dude with the...
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
The Chinese...
richie mcginniss
Yes.
phil labonte
Dude.
richie mcginniss
Tens of thousands.
Yeah, the diddler.
shane cashman
And that's either Biden doing it.
I don't think it is.
I think it's a network of people behind Biden doing these things.
But he has had a career of doing this...
tim pool
Well, you know, there's a big story that there's this Chinese national who had all these images of extreme...
shane cashman
Yeah, tens of thousands.
tim pool
And 47,000, and he gets commuted, his sentence commuted, and he gets deported along with two others.
They say this was part of a prisoner exchange, which will bring back wrongly imprisoned Americans.
unidentified
And my attitude was kind of like, man...
tim pool
You know, I don't know.
Let me ask you guys this question.
If you were...
I'll say this.
If I was imprisoned in China and the federal government said, Tim, we're going to get you out and we have to free this guy to do it, I'd be like, no!
I'm staying right here.
Like, I don't know.
What do you think?
Like, I don't know if that trade makes sense.
That person is a demon who has committed...
This is a guy with 47,000 images of child torture, okay?
And I'm saying that it's...
I'm just going to leave it at that.
I don't know, man.
I can't speak for the individual who was wrongly imprisoned in China, but if were me, I'd be like, I am not accepting that.
richie mcginniss
Well, why do the Chinese want him is the question.
So, like, what kind of compromising information does that guy have on maybe American citizens or something like, why do the Chinese want this guy with those kind of crimes back when they have a social credit system over there?
tim pool
But here's the question for you guys.
If you were asked, you're wrongly imprisoned in, insert country, We can free you, but we have to release that guy to do it.
Would you be like, yeah, do it.
I want to come home.
shane cashman
Or would you be like, no, I'm getting out and I'm hunting him down.
richie mcginniss
You can ask Sam tomorrow because he was in Syrian prison.
So maybe he'll have a good answer for that.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, he's being sent back to China and we have no guarantees that this I mean, the things that this guy had are crimes against humanity.
The other guys were spies.
So a prisoner exchange for spies, I kind of roll my eyes, and I'm like, okay, fine.
But the issue ultimately is, I don't know.
I'll put it this way.
I believe that Joe Biden actually did these things because there's compromising information on him.
Yeah, exactly.
With what they were doing in flying to China, Ukraine, Russia, all this stuff.
phil labonte
Him or his family.
tim pool
Him or his family.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, he has his back against the wall.
There's no other choice.
tim pool
The judge who was selling kids.
Yeah.
So if there's another story, there were multiple judges, I believe, right?
shane cashman
It was a judge and some other person in authority.
It wasn't a judge, but yeah, in Pennsylvania.
tim pool
No, it was a judge, I believe it was in Michigan.
shane cashman
Okay, there's another one then.
Geez.
tim pool
Yeah, wasn't this the one that was a pardon?
richie mcginniss
Selling kids to the prison industrial complex.
tim pool
Yeah, so the story along, I don't know which one he pardoned, but the story was, there have been several judges, and there would be a kid who, I think one of the stories, they got into a fight in school.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So when he got arrested, the judge said, off to juvie with ye.
And it was supposed to be something like a couple weeks for getting to a fight, which still seems a bit excessive.
Then the kid got in trouble in juvie and the judge said, you're staying.
And it was because the private prisons were getting paid to have these kids there.
And then they were paying the judge to make sure the kids kept coming in the pipeline.
shane cashman
Same thing happened in New York.
There was a judge in upstate New York, got in trouble for the same thing about five or six years ago.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, BLM, they're all, you know, oh, Trump is the worst thing in the world.
And wait, what's the alternative here?
And there was like a moment where we were in Philly in October, and this one protester just spoke up.
She was like, you're telling me that the author of the federal crime bill and the top cop, Kamala Harris, are your saviors?
unidentified
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
Are you kidding me?
And it just goes to show, like, the most motivating thing that I saw out on the ground was, yes, all cops are B-words, but also, if they really wanted to get the crowd riled up, they'd say, what do you guys think of Donald Trump?
F Donald Trump!
And everyone'd say, F Donald Trump!
So that was the really unifying factor over anything else.
tim pool
It's a cult.
They have no logical unifying principle.
They have a follow what the cult follows, that's it.
shane cashman
This is another good example of how the left, how they are right now, don't care about kids.
Joe Biden has the opportunity to champion his deceased son, Beau Biden, who went after literal pedophiles in...
Oh, jeez, I'm spacing on this state now that they're from.
Delaware.
Not Alabama, but horrible cases.
Turned down being, I forget, Senate, I think, in that state, to go after these people.
You never hear Joe talk about that.
He's did all this stuff to take care of really, really evil people.
A pediatrician who hurt like thousands of kids in that state.
And Joe only ever says he was a hero.
He died at war, which is also a lie.
You know, he didn't really die at war.
That's a whole other thing.
richie mcginniss
Well, he probably said that because of dementia.
shane cashman
Yeah, and the clones start to decay.
But how do you not champion that?
If you cared about the well-being of kids, your son did a really great thing.
Didn't always win and do what I think could have been better in terms of punishment.
But why does he not talk about that ever?
richie mcginniss
Because he's commuting the sentence of judges who are selling kids into prison.
shane cashman
So the dude is possessed.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from the New York Post.
This one.
shane cashman
Oh boy, here we go.
unidentified
It's wild!
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Prisoner.
Okay, so CNN filmed themselves freeing a prisoner.
Now they say the guards did the freeing, but they were there providing food and water to this man.
It is now being reported the prisoner they helped free was actually a notorious Assad regime torturer.
I did not have CNN accidentally commits treason on my 2024 bingo card.
shane cashman
They've been committing treason for 10 years.
tim pool
Hold on.
Again, I hate to be so pedantic, but insulting CNN and say that they betray this country with their lies is one thing.
This is CNN's news crew literally providing aid and comfort to an Assad regime torturer, reportedly, and that is an enemy of the United States.
The U.S. is aligned with the Free Syrian Army, and they are in opposition to Assad.
We have criticized him and considered him an enemy, and they're providing aid to one of his Air Force personnel.
And OK, look, let's be serious.
They're not committing treason because they didn't know what they were doing.
OK, this is it accidentally aiding this guy.
But it is hilarious because not one person at CNN, not Clarissa Ward, the reporter, her crew or anyone at CNN stopped to be like, hey, I think this guy's lying.
richie mcginniss
A little bit of vetting here.
tim pool
His fingernails are totally clean cut.
He has a well-trimmed beard.
His skin is totally hydrated.
He's standing up and walking just fine.
He's claiming to have not seen light in three months, but he's looking up at the sky with no problem.
Maybe this is a guy who's trying to escape from rebels by pretending to be somebody else.
And they got him out.
shane cashman
I think they knew, dude.
Yeah.
Have you guys all seen the video when they say turn off the camera for the shooting part?
tim pool
To shoot the lock off the door?
shane cashman
I was like, this is...
tim pool
It's fake.
Because you can't do that.
richie mcginniss
I mean, that stuff is all staged.
shane cashman
You can see there's a split second of, what's her name, Ward, just off to the side of the camera when they're getting the blanket off the guy.
She's acting.
It looks so fake.
tim pool
And she's yelling in English at him.
shane cashman
Come on.
tim pool
Is anyone there?
Hello?
It's like, dude, you're in Syria.
shane cashman
Come on.
tim pool
And then the guy stands up and he's like, I have not eaten or had anything to drink in five days.
It's like, bro, that's not true.
shane cashman
He's reading lines off his palm.
tim pool
My favorite line, of course, was, where's the poop?
shane cashman
I don't remember that.
tim pool
His prison cell had no poop anywhere.
He's been left in there for five days.
What is he doing?
Holding it in?
No.
shane cashman
Good point.
tim pool
Well, that's not why someone commented saying, where's the poop?
And I'm like, that's a good question.
So everybody was saying it's clearly fake.
There were a few funny posts where I'm like, what are the chances this guy is like Al-Qaeda and he's trying to escape?
So he's masquerading.
He's pretending to be a civilian and CNN just helped him escape.
Well, as it turns out.
richie mcginniss
Well, I lived in the Middle East, and over there, everything is so tribal that you can hear a person's last name and know exactly what tribe they're from.
You can see what they look like.
There's an entire tribe of, like, red-bearded, ginger Syrians.
And so it's like if they had to just maybe talk to somebody who's on the ground over there, an actual Arab, then maybe they would have learned the truth.
But I guess vetting isn't a thing that CNN does.
shane cashman
It immediately made me think of Brian Williams saying his helicopter was shot down.
Remember that story?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Unreal.
tim pool
Someone superchatted saying that the guy may already be dead.
phil labonte
The guy that was freed?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know if that's true or not.
It's just a superchat.
shane cashman
His blood's on CNN's hands.
phil labonte
You know, he was a liability to someone if he is.
tim pool
I think CNN are really, really dumb people.
But I just gotta say, there's no QA at CNN. I mean, come on.
Richie, you've made videos before.
richie mcginniss
I had to fight to correct the record.
CNN after Kenosha said, McGinnis supported the conservative claim that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.
After my appearance on Tucker Carlson, I was like, I literally stated objective observations of why Kyle said he was there.
And you're claiming that I'm a witness in the impending trial.
And you can have me on to correct the record or prepare for court.
And they did have me on to correct the record.
But I wouldn't even have been able to go on CNN if they hadn't have screwed up so badly.
tim pool
Imagine what happened.
CNN films this scenario that is so obviously fake.
A child would be like, huh?
They take the edit, hand it off to a producer or an editor, who then watches and goes, whoa.
richie mcginniss
Pull it, sir.
Yeah, here we go.
tim pool
And the boss and everybody there were like, wow.
And even Jake Tapper was like, look at that, wow.
And I'm like, bro, you expect me to believe that all of you are that stupid?
phil labonte
There are no good guys over there, right?
So the guy that's in charge now is a former member of Al-Qaeda, likely killed Americans.
Assad has done horrible things to his own people.
There are no good guys.
So to go over there and behave like this, like just because they're in Assad's jail...
They're automatically someone that we should support or we should be happy that we freed.
They should not have been there helping to get people, in any kind of capacity, helping to get people out.
And as soon as the dude was like, oh, I'm going to shoot the lock off, I don't care what happened or the reality of it or not, they should have been like, see ya!
We're out of here!
Because there's no way of knowing who that guy was, at least when you're on the ground there, there's no way of knowing who the guy was.
And because of the context, because of where they are, and the things that have been happening for the past 15 years in Syria, he's likely a horrible, horrible monster.
Whether he's on Assad's side or the rebel side.
tim pool
I would just say to everybody out there, if you're in a small hallway that is 4 feet by 5 feet, And someone with a rifle says they're going to shoot the lock-off.
Please exit the building.
And if it's happening in America, you might want to call for help or beg them not to do that.
That's what they do in movies.
That's not a real thing.
We all saw the story of the journalist getting shot because those Democrats were firing rifles at steel plates from 15 feet away.
And the bullet fragmented, fired back, and hit the guy in the arm.
He started bleeding.
What do you think is going to happen if you're in a tight hallway and you fire this rifle at a lock on a steel door?
phil labonte
Look, man, I have...
I have a picture on my Instagram page, but I definitely put it up on X. I had a nice big gash on the bridge of my nose because I was shooting my rifle on my property, and I was shooting at steel, and I was a little too close.
I had my safety glasses on, but I took a piece of spall, and it cut me right on the bridge of my nose, and it was bleeding like mad.
You don't shoot metal when you're standing right there.
You just don't do it.
shane cashman
I don't think they shot anything, though.
I get it, but I don't think that...
Because we don't hear it, right?
It just fades to black, and then all of a sudden they're opening the door.
I mean, you're totally right, but this whole thing is staged, and that says a lot about how they feel about the audience.
tim pool
You think that CNN, from the get-go, was in on orchestrating and playing it out?
shane cashman
I do.
I do.
tim pool
It's hard to reason otherwise.
Because, what, the rebels bring in Clarissa Ward and say, we're doing all of these things, and she's just like, you got it.
shane cashman
And they think they can get away with it.
tim pool
Well, I mean, Richie, you've been on the ground in a lot of various news stories.
Do you think CNN was in on that thing the whole time?
richie mcginniss
I think that CNN probably staged all of the things that we're talking about and played it up but were too dumb to vet the guy.
tim pool
You think they did stage it?
richie mcginniss
I think that they staged, yeah, basically that they were doing a dog and pony show and one of the guys on the ground was like, oh yeah, come free this guy.
tim pool
Oh, I see.
richie mcginniss
And he was like an insider or whatever it was.
tim pool
And they were like, we'll set it up like you're freeing them and they're like, yeah, let's do it.
richie mcginniss
I worked at Syrian Support Group.
In 2012 right after I graduated college and it was the only lobbying group licensed by the Treasury to operate on behalf of the Syrian opposition and I studied Arabic in college five days a week for an hour a day.
I studied Middle Eastern history and the moment that I decided I didn't want to do anything with my Arabic because I didn't agree with anything the government was doing over there was when I saw Basically, the generals who were defecting for a secular government were not viewed as powerful a force to fight against Bashar al-Assad.
So we were funding through proxies like Saudi Arabia, these radical Islamist rebels like Jabhat al-Nusra, which became effectively ISIS a couple years down the road.
And I realized that whether it's the Israelis or the Americans or the Saudis, They would rather have the bad guy that they know, a bunch of idiots running around with AK-47s, which give them an excuse to project their power into that power vacuum rather than having an actually...
I mean, does Turkey want a strong secular Sunni government?
No.
Because it's a Sunni majority in Syria.
Does Saudi Arabia want that?
No.
So do we want that?
No.
So they would rather have a power vacuum where now the Israelis are already moving into the Golan Heights and that's just an opportunity for a power grab.
shane cashman
Yep.
phil labonte
Well, I think that the situation in Syria, whoever is – or the rebels that are in charge, I think it's most likely that it's going to be a recreation of ISIS, of the Islamic State.
I wouldn't be surprised if they declare themselves the home of the caliphate in the next five years.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, the timing is convenient, too.
I mean, right at the end of the Biden administration, you have to ask yourself who were the people who really, like, tip the scale to make sure that Assad goes before Trump takes power.
phil labonte
And I mean, I don't have a preference, honestly, of Assad over...
The rebel groups.
I don't know that one is better or worse.
I mean, maybe Assad is better because Assad at least was staying in his borders.
He wasn't, to my knowledge, he wasn't attacking Turkey.
He wasn't attacking Turkey.
Israel or Lebanon.
He wasn't attacking Jordan.
So maybe he is better.
If it is the recreation of ISIS, I wouldn't be surprised to see them move west into parts of Iraq.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the U.S. have to send in covert operators to try to defend U.S. bases that are still in Iraq to try and limit their ability to limit the Isis' ability to expand and stuff.
It wouldn't surprise me at all.
So I don't think that helping Assad would have been a good idea, but I don't think...
richie mcginniss
Well, it's a mess.
phil labonte
Yes.
There's no good guy.
That's what I said.
richie mcginniss
Here's what I realized in studying the region and living over there is these borders were specifically drawn by the colonial powers not to have a national country with a collective identity but to specifically divide up all the different sectarian groups and make sure that you split the Kurds in half you give Saddam Hussein who's Sunni 30% of the population in Iraq the power because he's a minority group so he's gonna say sure yeah Brits yeah I'll work with you guys if you if you give me the give me the power.
Well Saddam wasn't in Well, not at that time, but it was the same principle that was applied.
And Assad is a Baathist just like Saddam, quote-unquote secular.
But with that being said, everything is tribal over there.
And so it was all the Sunnis who get all the good government jobs.
And this country was literally built not to function without a colonial power running it.
And my question is, why is America inheriting all the sins of the British and French colonial empires?
Why is this even our problem?
So I just started working in American media because I was like...
This ain't getting fixed.
Not any time this millennium.
tim pool
You think the Middle East is going to escalate in terms of war, crisis, World War III perhaps?
richie mcginniss
I think that chaos under Trump's watch will benefit the people who just got voted out.
So if you look at our unelected bureaucracy who's running our intelligence agencies, I would point to yes.
tim pool
Perhaps that's why they're selling off the border wall.
shane cashman
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
That's probably why, unfortunately.
shane cashman
It's just like shutting down the country for COVID and then, you know, blaming it all on Trump or like the job loss, right?
richie mcginniss
Yeah, because he's a racist for talking about it coming from China.
shane cashman
Right, all the jobs.
phil labonte
I think that that was a happy side effect because it was like the whole world got shut down.
It wasn't just the U.S. Like countries all over the world.
We're supposed to be free.
I'm not trying to make an argument that it was the right thing to do.
Don't misunderstand me.
I'm just saying that it wasn't just the U.S. that did it because of...
I don't want to articulate it as just a U.S. context because it was the whole world.
It wasn't just about Trump and the Democrats trying to shut down the country.
shane cashman
My opinion is it was about Trump.
richie mcginniss
Well, it also points to...
shane cashman
I legit believe that.
phil labonte
I think that's a little more than...
shane cashman
Fauci and China and all these other places did conspire to shut down the world to get rid of the outsider politician.
tim pool
I don't believe that.
richie mcginniss
I don't think so.
shane cashman
I certainly do.
tim pool
But the – you see, I will tell you why you're wrong because the better conspiracy theory was that they were intending on the pandemic well before Donald Trump was even in office.
So the conspiracy theory – I don't think so.
I think what likely happened is that Fauci was performing illegal gain-of-function research that had been banned, and he was doing it through a third party, and that's why he lied about it.
There was a crisis and a disaster, but that's just me.
richie mcginniss
It wasn't gain-of-function.
unidentified
It was just a thing where you splice it and you kind of make it worse.
tim pool
That was really amazing how Rand Paul says, Dr. Fauci, were you performing or funding gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology?
We were not doing gain-of-function research.
unidentified
We were just taking the viruses and making them gain functions.
We were just cutting bats in half and making terrible viruses.
richie mcginniss
That's all we were doing.
tim pool
All right.
Let's jump to this next story for the Post Millennial.
Breaking.
Trump tells Biden to stop auctioning off border walls.
I'm asking today Joe Biden to please stop selling the wall.
This is wild.
It's come to the point where Trump has an emergency press conference where he's like...
Uh, we're building a wall.
We have the materials.
Joe Biden's selling them for five bucks for, like, a massive segment.
Basically, pennies on the dollar.
It's extremely expensive.
It's relatively expensive.
I should say extremely, but relatively, you know, the government pays for it, which is basically you paying for it.
I can only see this as the Biden administration, which is not really Biden because he's not there, but whoever is there is intentionally sabotaging this country to If Donald Trump was going, let's say this, let's do a score of minus 100 to positive 100. And that's like, you know, minus 100 is this country has fallen to garbage and positive 100 is golden city on the hill, shining city on the hill.
Right now we're at like a negative 60 something.
It's bad.
We got war.
We've got crisis on the border.
Trump starting from that point can only do so much to improve things, but we're excited.
Joe Biden's trying to drag us down as much as possible before we get to the Trump administration.
And I think it's because, as we've long said in the show, they're intentionally sabotaging this country.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, I think you're right.
I traveled to the border multiple times during the Biden administration, would fly a drone up and literally see the migrants coming through the gaps in the border wall.
And when you talk to these people coming across the border, they expressly tell you, yeah, we're coming because we heard that it's easy to get in here.
So it's not even, I think, you know, a lot of the anger gets directed towards the people who are coming here illegally.
But really the signal that's been sent to the entire third world is that, hey, you can come here.
So can you really blame them for making this happen?
phil labonte
Like Biden said, surge the border in the debates.
tim pool
So I don't know if this is true, but I heard this morning that these past four years saw the largest mass migration in human history.
So I just did a quick Google search, the largest migration in history.
It says UNHCR estimates 14 million Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims were displaced during the partition of India.
They're estimating now, what, 15 million coming to the United States in the Biden administration?
unidentified
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
And when we went down, we went to Guatemala.
I went with Jenny Trayer, who was working at the caller at the time.
And we went to the Honduran border on the south.
And the people that were coming over were not south.
I mean, there were a lot of Colombians, a lot of Venezuelans, but these were people from Africa.
I interviewed a group of 20 Afghanis who had come over, and they go through Brazil, then they go up through the Derring Gap in Panama.
And it's amazing to see over the course of just – because I was at the border during the Trump administration – It was all Central and South Americans.
And now it's people from everywhere.
And Lord knows what these people...
There's no background check.
There's no way of knowing who they are.
They don't even need IDs to get into the country.
shane cashman
I reported on the wall down at Yuma.
And I was getting letters from border agents who were like, we've been told just to stand down.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
shane cashman
And they were saying this is an intentional collapse.
And you can see at the border, at least where I was, they're just throwing their IDs out.
It's like a landfill.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, they throw them right before.
shane cashman
And they're from everywhere.
Currency, all types of stuff.
And then the agents are just letting it go down, for sure.
Like, that's what I literally saw.
These people are walking up there with those little ladders.
You see those little ladders?
richie mcginniss
Yes, yeah, yeah.
I tried to climb the border wall.
shane cashman
It wasn't successful.
It's tall.
richie mcginniss
It is.
It's a tall wall.
It's a scary thing if you're up there.
It is a beautiful wall.
And it does have slats.
unidentified
It does.
richie mcginniss
It does have slats.
shane cashman
It's tough, but they make these makeshift ladders.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
shane cashman
And they just come on over.
richie mcginniss
Here's the thing, and it's funny if you rewind back to all the anti-Trump media when Trump was trying to build the wall.
They're like, $30 billion!
It's way too much money!
And now we're looking at $30 billion is like, I would spend two bucks at a coffee shop.
And...
Every single border agent that I talked to, hundreds, said the border wall would tremendously help with our effort.
Because if you can just drive a vehicle straight over the border and then drive back, like, okay, a wall is going to make that a little bit harder.
Everyone's like, you could dig tunnels.
It's like, okay, but it's harder to dig a tunnel than it is to drive a car across.
shane cashman
And also in Yuma, there's a reservation right next to it.
richie mcginniss
Yes, yes.
That's where everyone goes.
shane cashman
That's exactly right.
Walk up to the wall and go...
richie mcginniss
I literally flew a drone right over that reservation.
Yeah.
tim pool
Or as James O'Keefe found, while they were trying to cut through the wall, there was a Border Patrol agent just sitting there watching and doing nothing.
shane cashman
It's almost like a soft TSA. Because you show up, they got tags for your luggage, they got a van waiting for you, they got bottles of water, the port-a-potty's right there.
richie mcginniss
There's non-profits who are all putting you up in housing and then they're putting you on a plane.
shane cashman
For the plane, yep.
Exactly.
Dude, it's insane.
tim pool
You know, I need this question answered because I've been very critical of CBP for a long time for facilitating child sex trafficking.
It's disgusting.
It is an atrocity.
And the question right now is, yeah, all of that, of course, persists.
I want answers.
I think Trump should arrest those agents who knew what they were doing.
I don't care.
Anybody who dares come to me and says they were just following orders, when these agents see the number on the little girl's arm, the little boy's arm, and they know what they're doing, I don't care who you think you are following orders.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
You facilitate trafficking.
You are the trafficker.
You go to jail for that.
But I digress.
richie mcginniss
Well, look what happened to the border agents who were actually trying to stop people in Texas, and they were whipping the migrants.
And so that's what happens to people who try to stand up.
tim pool
Do the right thing.
Trump's coming in in 36 days.
The question I have now is, who are these agents who are facilitating the sale of our border wall?
In 36 days or less, Donald Trump is going to be in office and he's going to be saying, I want my wall back.
These guys know this.
They know the American people voted for a secure border.
They know that Donald Trump is coming in in a month and wants a secure border.
And they're saying, well, you know, I'm ordered to sell off the wall.
Better start doing it.
richie mcginniss
It's Mayorkas.
I mean, I talked to Rodney Scott, who was the chief of the Border Patrol during the Trump years, and he was as pro-wall as anybody has ever been.
And so Biden came in and he switched out the leadership and he ensured that they were people who shared, I guess it's not even his view, but the view of whatever people are trying to sabotage our country.
tim pool
I think any Border Patrol agent that in any way helps facilitate the sale of these walls should be terminated immediately by Donald Trump once he gets into office.
He should be going to whoever's running Border Patrol and say, who are the guys that were helping Biden sell off the wall?
I don't care if you're an entry-level, lowest-level guy all the way to the top.
Fire all of them.
richie mcginniss
I think 26,000.
tim pool
But it's going to be like a dozen or so that are part of this sale.
You know what I mean?
It's not going to be like thousands of them.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, well, because there's CBP, which is the Customs and Border Protection.
That's the ports of entry, like airports and all that.
Border Patrol is actually...
CBP is like twice as big as the Border Patrol, which is crazy to me.
tim pool
I believe CBP is overseeing the sale.
I could be wrong.
Let's just say this.
If I'm getting the agency wrong, forgive me.
CBP was involved in the trafficking.
Any federal worker anywhere that is helping Biden sell off the wall should be terminated immediately.
Don't get me wrong.
Doge is going to fire a lot of these people as it is.
I'm excited for that.
I also just want to give a shout out to Elon Musk for actually getting a department called Doge.
richie mcginniss
Yes.
Dogecoin is bumping.
In 2018, I was like, Doge, it's gonna bump.
QAnon and Doge, those both are gonna bump.
shane cashman
Do you think they're selling off the wall to try to make it look like the Berlin Wall pieces?
Like, is this their thing?
Is that what they're...
tim pool
I think they're sabotaging the country.
shane cashman
Yeah, that for sure.
richie mcginniss
Why don't you put up some border wall around the compound?
tim pool
I was like, I'll buy some.
You know, why not?
phil labonte
That would be kind of sick.
tim pool
It's tough.
richie mcginniss
I tried climbing it.
It is not easy to think.
tim pool
It's unbelievable.
phil labonte
No, no, I mean, if you bought some actual border wall and put it up around here and was like, no, it's legit part of the border wall that Biden was auctioning on.
richie mcginniss
The wall does go down.
It goes down like 10 feet.
And then also they have, everyone's like, oh, you can just cut through it.
They have motion sensors.
So if somebody is cutting through it, they can pick up on...
tim pool
Well, it's steel, concrete with rebar in the concrete.
richie mcginniss
Yes, they pour concrete into the actual steel, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a pretty beefy thing.
That's why it's ridiculous they're selling it off.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
tim pool
But I hope these guys get fired, and I hope they regret it.
richie mcginniss
In Yuma, they had the double wall.
So they had a wall, and then they had another wall, so then there's a corridor that the Border Patrol can travel through.
shane cashman
And the canal.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
Well, that's the Rio Grande, and then...
shane cashman
There it is, yeah.
tim pool
Well, I think the big mistake Trump made was not bringing the alligators into the river.
richie mcginniss
Oh, that was...
unidentified
Honestly.
phil labonte
They should, like, anyone...
tim pool
I think he was joking about that, but the media reported like he was serious.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Any of the border guards that have been found to do that stuff, they should all be investigated for accessory to child trafficking.
tim pool
Oh, child trafficking 100%!
phil labonte
Yeah, they should be investigated.
If they saw a kid with a number on its arm and they called that number, you're assisting child trafficking.
shane cashman
There's a ton of those stories.
phil labonte
There should be an investigation, and if they're found guilty, they should all be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
shane cashman
There's a guy with a lettuce farm right there on the border in Yuma who had kids.
richie mcginniss
All lettuce down there.
shane cashman
Yeah, walk alone with the numbers.
Where do those kids go?
There's so many missing kids right now because of Kamala.
phil labonte
Yeah, absolutely.
100%.
These people shouldn't be afraid for their jobs.
They should be afraid that the new DOJ is going to find out that they were accessory to child trafficking and throw them in jail.
And honestly, you should investigate Mayorkas.
If he knew, investigate him.
Toss him in jail.
Like, investigate them all.
And if they have been found to help transport children, you know, to help traffic children, put them in jail.
We have laws against this.
We have a judicial system, and we have a Justice Department that can investigate.
Time to use them for good as opposed to using them for evil.
shane cashman
It's funny that Biden's doing this now because his president, Obama, was the deporter-in-chief.
And he got rid of so many.
And now he's, like, reversing all this.
tim pool
I think this is what Cash is going to do.
I think one of the reasons Cash is going to have an easier time getting confirmed is because he's not one of these pro-Trump guys who says, abolish the FBI. And there are a lot of people saying that.
No, Cash was like, let's take the intelligence component out of it and make these guys go solve crimes.
Like, there's 7,000 guys.
Go be the good guys and solve the crimes and stop the murderers and the rapists.
richie mcginniss
Well, they foiled the Whitmer kidnapping.
So, I mean, come on.
tim pool
I'm excited for Cash Patel at the FBI. I played hockey with Kash Patel.
richie mcginniss
He's a grinder.
tim pool
Oh, he's good?
richie mcginniss
He's not afraid to step up with the blue line.
I can tell you that.
Or take a head-high clapper.
tim pool
Was he on your team?
richie mcginniss
I watched him play at an undisclosed location within the last seven days.
Really?
And they had a resounding victory.
They won by double digits.
tim pool
He's on a hockey team?
richie mcginniss
He's on a hockey team.
tim pool
Secretly?
richie mcginniss
Yeah, he plays defense.
tim pool
I played hockey when I was a kid.
richie mcginniss
And he's definitely not afraid to get his elbows dirty.
And I've talked to guys on his team, and everybody says that you really get to know a guy when you play hockey with him.
I mean, you're literally showering with the dude.
You don't have to shower together if you're playing a team.
Well, you stink after the game.
tim pool
Yes, but I mean, private showers exist.
richie mcginniss
I mean, that's my favorite part, to be honest.
Having a beer in the shower and just talking with the boys.
tim pool
I guess.
Alright, let's jump to this next story.
We have this from NJ.com.
Drones reported above New Jersey nuclear power plants, New York airport officials say.
And all this alongside this story.
From the Daily Mail.
Mystery is radioactive shipment goes missing in New Jersey amid drone invasion.
The rumors circulating right now are that these are special nuclear radiation detection drones that have been deployed to either search for missing nuclear materials or dirty bombs, or it's a test.
There's a viral threat from some random guy.
I know it's anonymous account saying that these are HPGE drones designed for tracking radiation and they're being deployed at night intentionally for a few reasons.
I don't know if this is from the thread exactly, but others have said that the temperature differential at dusk, anything that's sitting in the sun that heats up when the sun goes down, the surrounding environment cools off, but the metal object may retain heat, making it easier to see with thermal imaging.
However, this individual said it's intentional.
The US government is testing radiation detection drone technology, and they need to know what the public will do if they launch these drones without telling them.
So they're trying to see what the public reaction will be, which is why they're intentionally saying we have no idea what's going on, but we all know they do.
richie mcginniss
Or they're just testing out what the public will do if there's an alleged alien invasion.
tim pool
But these things are just not alien.
You know what I mean?
richie mcginniss
No, clearly not.
shane cashman
But people think they are.
It's like the Voltron of conspiracy theories.
tim pool
These things have FAA regulations.
shane cashman
Whatever you want it to be, it's that.
It's a Rorschach test.
If it's Project Bluebeam, it's Project Bluebeam.
If it's Northwoods, it's Northwoods.
False flag.
If it's the government testing on it, it's everything.
Personally, I've been thinking about this a lot, and I think it's like the new Mothman prophecy.
People in West Virginia in November of whatever that was, maybe in the 50s, saw something flying in the sky, and then it caused hysteria, and the whole town went crazy.
tim pool
Well, there's a little bit more to it.
Well, yeah.
People were reported seeing a six-foot-tall figure with glowing eyes standing off the side of the road.
And what could this thing be?
Do you know what they believe it is?
shane cashman
No.
tim pool
The Mothman?
richie mcginniss
Bigfoot.
tim pool
No, they think that it was in the dark because of the proportions of owls, a specific owl.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It looked like it was far away.
It looked like it was up close.
What is it?
shane cashman
No, no, no.
tim pool
It looked like it was far away when it was up close because of the size of the head and the body and the eyes.
People were seeing an owl close to the road.
They thought it was a larger figure farther away in the silhouette and then started reporting this monster.
shane cashman
Whatever it was, though, it caused a panic in people.
And people wanted to shoot out of the sky.
Everyone started seeing it.
And if you read these stories and what people are going through, even just politicians in Staten Island saying we want transparency or we're going to start shooting these things down, there's like a psychic trauma happening.
And people do believe it's whatever horrific thing you believe in, it's that.
Since there's no transparency, every theory is now accelerated and you can believe anything.
richie mcginniss
That's what they want.
shane cashman
Every one of these things.
Luigi was that.
Everything is a Rorschach test.
And it's the thing where whatever you believe in, it's now that.
And you can believe in that fear.
tim pool
I'll tell you what I think.
Alright, I don't believe the nuclear dirty bomb conspiracy theories.
People are saying like, oh, a nuke got stolen from Ukraine and now they're panicking.
I don't believe that.
Some people are saying it's gonna be a false flag attack.
There's gonna be a bomb going off and they're gonna blame Iran and say they were searching for it the whole time.
Don't believe it.
richie mcginniss
That's what Alex Jones...
shane cashman
That seems like it could be likely, but why do you not think so?
tim pool
Because if they want to false flag, there have to be preliminary warnings to prime the public to the threat of Iran.
So if they launch these drones and they're flying around and these drones are doing nothing, they have FAA lights as per regulation blinking as they're supposed to.
It does not look like a foreign...
Why would Iran care about our FAA regulations?
shane cashman
Yeah, I don't think it has to be Iran, but it could be Russia.
They've been stoking fears on any other...
richie mcginniss
How do you get a drone all the way across the...
Where are they being launched from?
tim pool
That's why Jeffrey Andrews said a mothership.
But if the false flag is saying no...
Because if they were trying to false flag us, they would come out and be like, guys, we think they're going to attack us.
We're going to launch drones.
Oh, no!
It makes more sense, and this is slightly more plausible, that there actually is a threat and they're terrified to say this because it would cause an economic crash.
If the U.S. government came out and said, we have reasonable, we have intelligence that we can reasonably assess to be probable at the very least, we are dispatching drones to search for any kind of terror device or weapons, the Eastern Seaboard evacuates.
I mean, who's going to stick around New Jersey when they're saying, yeah, there could be a dirty bomb somewhere in your neighborhood?
People are going to be like, ah!
A lot of people would leave.
They would stop spending money.
So it's potentially there.
I'll tell you what I think it is.
richie mcginniss
What about a psychological operation?
tim pool
Perhaps.
Perhaps the whole thing is they launch these drones and they're doing something to get a law passed.
One of the conspiracies is that they launch the drones, they terrify people, and then say, we need drone detection and drone restrictions to stop the chaos.
And people are demanding it.
I'll tell you what I think it is.
I think...
It's all of it.
In a sense of what you're saying, it could be whatever you want it to be, Shane.
I think hobbyists are flying drones.
It starts with somebody launches a drone for some reason.
Perhaps the government is doing something.
That's it.
A small program with 10 drones flies around.
They're large, and they're doing a test on them.
Some people notice.
They grumble.
The next day, a few other people fly some drones.
They're commercial.
You can buy them at Best Buy.
Every Best Buy has got four or five different variations.
The big ones freak people out.
Likely a government test or university test or something like this.
But they're legal.
richie mcginniss
Or a DJI Inspire.
The Inspire, the biggest DJI drone, is huge.
It's like this big and it goes like 85 miles an hour.
tim pool
They're saying they're seeing 6 foot by 6 foot drones.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, this one's like three foot, three and a half foot wide.
tim pool
So let's say a small handful of large drones doing some kind of test or operation for the government or corporation.
People freak out by seeing them for the first time and those are massive and they report them.
Start spreading rumors like, I saw these crazy drones.
People start looking up and seeing commercial drones.
They start reporting commercial drones.
Stupider people look up at the moon and see the corona and go, what's this giant ring in the sky?
And report more.
Now you've got mass hysteria.
So I certainly think something is happening.
Because people like Michael Tracy said, you know, look, I'm not trying to be biased, but I went out there and that is weird.
Whatever it is I was seeing flying around is not a normal drone.
So I believe it is happening, but I believe mass hysteria is playing up something that's probably not as big a deal.
shane cashman
And people are taking advantage of it, like pranksters who are like, well, let's throw our own drones up in the sky.
It's just like after shootings happen, all of a sudden there's manifestos and you got the wrong manifesto.
You believe in this and that.
tim pool
It's happening now.
Exactly.
With that...
That school shooting that just happened, people are already spreading a fake manifesto.
shane cashman
Because it's a form of accelerationism.
Whether they know it or not, they're participating in accelerationism.
It's like when the New Zealand shooting happened and they had that manifesto.
That person knew that that manifesto would be read by the right and blame it on the left.
And the left would read it and blame it on the right.
And that's what a lot of these things tend to be.
richie mcginniss
I mean, he livestreamed the whole thing.
Yeah.
shane cashman
And this is a form of accelerationism, which is what's happening with the drones.
It's all of these things.
richie mcginniss
Trump's not allowed to have a drone over his rally because it was denied.
shane cashman
Interesting that we have the drone narrative.
richie mcginniss
And it's like, I literally can take a $30 drone and do better.
shane cashman
When Trump says he knows what the drones are, I'm fairly positive it's because Peter Thiel and Elon Musk know what they are.
richie mcginniss
Clearly, they must know.
They're probably Palantir drones.
They literally just ran an ad during the Army-Navy game about killer drones, suicide drones.
You saw that ad?
Oh, of course.
Did I just see what I think I saw?
phil labonte
Unbelievable.
I just saw this on Twitter.
And Twitter user Peachy Keenan pointed this out.
And it's actually a good point.
Faking a nuclear attack would accomplish a lot.
Emergency war powers, inauguration canceled, and possible war with Russia.
So, not saying that I think that this is the case, but, I mean, you know, if you're going to put on your tinfoil hat, that's a legitimately compelling argument.
If you're of the opinion that the deep state will do anything to keep Donald Trump from actually taking office.
shane cashman
You could read the Operation Northwood's papers from 1962 where they planned to harm American citizens and blame it on Cuba.
richie mcginniss
With drone airplanes.
shane cashman
Right.
If it's a false flag, why not pepper it in now?
But the narrative has been set that these are our enemies.
I don't know if while the drone's there, they would say, I'm just guessing here, but I don't know if they would say that the drones are here, we're searching for Iranian or Russian dirty bombs or something.
It would happen, and then they'd blame it on whoever they picked, even though we planted it like what was supposed to happen in Northwoods.
But there's been multiple types of Northwood events throughout the years.
phil labonte
So I didn't see, I didn't save the tweet or anything, but I did see a tweet that there was nuclear material that was lost.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, in Ukraine.
shane cashman
That's one of those stories.
phil labonte
No, no, no, here in the U.S., in New Jersey.
tim pool
Right, and the community notes response was that it's radioactive but so relatively low that it doesn't have any, like, use.
phil labonte
Yeah, people...
Actually, I mean, so fair enough that it couldn't actually do something, do harm, but the psychological effect would still be dramatic.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
You'd still have people panicking.
You'd still have people saying, oh, no, we have to be worried about radiation.
I mean, look what happened over COVID.
tim pool
If in the next couple of weeks they come out and announce we are engaged in a drone operation to detect nuclear material, there are concerns of potential retaliation from our enemies.
We kept this under wraps because we did not want to cause a panic.
But if in any way they report that or a leak happens and a journalist at ABC says we have documents showing the government is looking for nuclear material, then I would start to believe that maybe there either is going to be an attack or a false flag happening.
You know, I lean more towards attacks being real.
Some people live in the world where they think false flags are always the more likely.
I think they're the less likely.
shane cashman
A false flag doesn't mean it's a fake attack, right?
Like there's real violence.
tim pool
I'm just saying, like, if an attack happens, I'd be more inclined to believe it literally was Russia or Iran as opposed to the U.S. government doing it.
But I don't put it past the U.S. government because of Northwoods.
richie mcginniss
But what's the geopolitical calculation there for a Russia or Iran to carry out that kind of attack?
Like, you know, how is that going to benefit them?
tim pool
There's—so the math here can go either direction.
If Russia attacks the U.S., and I don't know that Russia would directly attack the U.S., that doesn't seem to make sense.
But the logic would be they want to shock the public into rejecting the Ukraine war.
But it could also go the complete inverse.
Oh, no, we've been attacked.
Now we have to get involved.
So that's why it doesn't necessarily make sense.
One of the arguments often made for why a country would preemptively strike another is to deter them and shatter public support for any kind of involvement.
So mass civilian death.
One would argue, would lead people to say, like, why are we getting involved in war?
We don't want this.
Even after 9-11, there was a massive movement against any involvement in Iraq or Afghanistan.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
But, I think with the United States...
richie mcginniss
Pearl Harbor?
tim pool
Right.
If you...
richie mcginniss
Might have known that fleet was coming.
tim pool
If a bomb went off in the U.S., this country is going to be like, bang the war drums.
richie mcginniss
The majority of Americans, even in the wake of Pearl Harbor, it was such an isolationist country at the time.
unidentified
Yep.
richie mcginniss
They were still against getting involved in the war.
tim pool
However...
I don't know that Iran could be accused of being strategic or intelligent in these regards.
richie mcginniss
Exactly.
tim pool
And there are a lot of elements in the Middle East we've seen with things like 9-11 where there are people across the Middle East, whether you think it was direct Saudi involvement, we know Saudis were involved, but I mean like governmental involvement or whatever, who are going to want to carry these things out.
Let me put it this way.
You don't need a conspiracy theory.
Why, allegedly, did that guy shoot the CEO of that healthcare company?
It clearly didn't do anything to stop the problems of the healthcare industry, but it makes them feel good.
These people are deranged and they want to strike at a symbol and they want to feel like they're doing something.
So if there was an attack on this country, it could be as simple as extremist groups in the Middle East or Russian sympathizers or outright Russians are basically saying, America needs to be taught a lesson and we don't care what the results are going to be or the ramifications.
It's hard to know for sure.
phil labonte
When it comes to Russia though, Russia benefits from chaos in the U.S. The more discord they can sow in the U.S., the better they like it.
There doesn't have to be a side they're helping.
All they want is to have Americans fighting Americans.
That's a benefit to Russia.
shane cashman
Part of accelerationism.
It's like, didn't the Russians pull off that kind of psyop where they had people fighting online and they actually ended up going to the protests and the seed was Russia planting on both sides of the argument and it went into the real world and there was protests.
richie mcginniss
I mean, look at all the protests, the anti-Israel protests that happened over the summer.
I mean, it's in the United States.
Like, that's exactly what our foreign advocates...
shane cashman
And the country has a great cover right now for all types of crime, having open borders, having the prisons open during COVID, all this stuff.
So it's like you could blame it on anybody.
tim pool
This is a challenge.
If a bomb were to detonate in northern Jersey, that, I mean, a dirty bomb could contaminate the area and kill tens of thousands or more.
Would you guys support war?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
If Iran came out and said, we, the great nation of Iran, have stricken at the heart of the United States as a sign that when you – we are everywhere.
We are all at once.
And if you come for us, we will come for you, and it will happen again.
Would you support intervention war?
phil labonte
Well, it wouldn't be – I wouldn't classify it as intervention.
I would classify it as retaliation.
tim pool
I don't imagine— Or say incursion.
I'm sorry.
phil labonte
I wouldn't want to see American boots on the ground, but I would be like, look, if you want to go ahead and take out Iran's ability to attack us like that, because I do believe the U.S. intelligence apparatus has at least a solid handle on where Iran's military bases are and where those kind of— The Israelis had a virus that literally sabotaged the Iran centrifuges.
richie mcginniss
They're on top of that stuff.
phil labonte
If Iran attacked the United States and claimed the attacks and said, we did that, then I would have no problem with the U.S., You know, having airstrikes, no problem at all.
richie mcginniss
But if they said there were like metal tubes over there and that they were WMDs, like what if our government was telling us that and that we needed to unilaterally invade the country?
phil labonte
I wouldn't support boots on the ground.
tim pool
Yeah, I would not support any kind of...
richie mcginniss
Sounds similar to something else that happened.
tim pool
Right.
Right.
I support zero actions in Iran pertaining to what they might do.
Don't care.
Nope.
Not doing that.
richie mcginniss
I mean, look what happened.
So the CIA deposed Mossadegh, who was popularly elected in 1954, I think it was, and they literally came in with machine guns and cash, and they put the Shah in power, and then look at the downstream effects that happened after that.
tim pool
Yeah, they do it a lot, don't they?
richie mcginniss
I mean, how did that work out?
You know, there's a backlash.
Or ISIS. You know, they do oppose the Iraqi military.
They're all Sunni.
And then all the Shias come out in the streets and they start killing the Sunnis because we're bringing democracy to a 60% Shia country.
phil labonte
So are you saying if the U.S. was attacked directly by Iran and they claimed that we should do nothing?
richie mcginniss
I just don't envision that that would be a scenario just given power.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
Agreed.
It's extremely unlikely they would.
But let's say they do.
Let's say They say the United States has long supported Israel who has committed crimes, blah, blah, blah.
We want the American people to know that we will not tolerate their continued support for war at where we live, and we will bring war to where you live, regardless of the outcome.
And they take credit for it, and they explain how they did it.
richie mcginniss
I would say fortify the borders and make this country better and let's not focus on putting 500,000 troops on the ground in some patch of desert.
Let's focus on domestic oil.
tim pool
I don't know that you would have to put 500,000 troops on the ground To be at war with that country.
richie mcginniss
Halliburton builds all the barracks and stuff over there.
I'm not saying they wouldn't do the invasion.
tim pool
I just think that's a really hard press.
Like, dude, in a scenario where Iran or Russia or any other country admits to detonating a nuclear device in the United States, like, we're at war, sorry.
It's just, like, I don't know how you get around that.
richie mcginniss
Let's rewind and let's say...
tim pool
I think the probability of that is, like...
richie mcginniss
Well, let's use Afghanistan, for example.
I was in sixth grade on 9-11.
That's largely the reason why I decided to study Arabic from a suburb right outside New York.
But what did we achieve in 20 years in Afghanistan?
So everybody was all for, let's go get revenge.
tim pool
But Afghanistan didn't do 9-11.
richie mcginniss
Well, that's a whole other hand of worms.
And we train the Mujahideen.
tim pool
And that's why I clarify the point, in the event where the leadership of the nation admits to it, gives a reason for doing it, explains what they did and why they did it, that's basically a declaration of war on us already.
And what do we do?
I mean, I'm not saying we invade their country.
phil labonte
The mission in Afghanistan should have stopped May 12th.
tim pool
There shouldn't have been a mission in Afghanistan.
phil labonte
If that's your take, that's fine.
As far as my opinion is, the day after they killed Osama bin Laden, the U.S. should have packed up and left.
tim pool
It was in Pakistan.
phil labonte
I understand that.
The point being, the ostensible reason for being in Afghanistan was to find and kill or capture Osama bin Laden.
Once that goal was achieved, I don't care where they found him, once that goal was achieved, they should have You know when they packed it up?
richie mcginniss
They packed it up after fentanyl replaced opium as the opiate of the masses.
And it was Vietnam before that.
phil labonte
That's fine.
You may be right.
But my point is, you asked my opinion.
My opinion is after Osama bin Laden was killed, the U.S. should have packed up everything in Afghanistan and gone home.
You asked the question.
That's my answer.
Yeah.
I'm not debating whether all the other stuff was right.
Everything after the day that Osama Bin Laden stopped breathing was too much and it shouldn't have been done.
At least if you're going to enter into a military action and you have a tangible goal, when that tangible goal is achieved, you end the military operation.
And that's how you keep the support of your people and you keep the faith that your people have in the government and military.
richie mcginniss
And you take the military hardware back.
phil labonte
100%.
richie mcginniss
You don't leave the military hardware over there.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
That would not be a good idea.
And you have abandoned your Air Force base.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, everything from the day after Bin Laden died was an absolute travesty.
richie mcginniss
I went to the White House that night.
That was a wild night.
Really?
It was a party down there.
And just to go to show how much the White House has changed, that was in 2011, I think.
I was up in a tree.
In front of the six-foot fence right in front of the White House and now that six-foot fence is 20 feet and you're not even allowed within 100 yards of those trees.
unidentified
Whoa.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, the whole White House is complete.
tim pool
Really?
It's a 20-foot fence?
richie mcginniss
It's insane.
The new White House fence is wild.
tim pool
Since when?
richie mcginniss
Since it happened actually prior to all the BLM stuff.
They were already under construction.
unidentified
Really?
richie mcginniss
And it was completed in like 22...
It's still being...
I mean, it's crazy.
tim pool
I haven't driven past that in a long time.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, it's huge.
tim pool
We were in D.C. a couple months ago like eating and I just didn't go to the White House.
unidentified
I don't know.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, well, you can't really see much anymore.
You can't get closer than Lafayette Park.
unidentified
Wow.
shane cashman
That's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
I used to skateboard along that fence.
It was a great time back in the glory days.
tim pool
What about Russia?
If Russia attacks a NATO ally, do you think we should get involved?
phil labonte
I think that we don't have a choice, unfortunately.
That's part of why I'm kind of like the U.S. should get out of NATO. Or at least I think that we should, you know, look at getting out of NATO. At least they pay the fair share.
shane cashman
I don't think we can get involved.
I understand the reason for defense and show of force if we're attacked and it's that clear-cut, but I don't even trust the clear-cut news these days.
But our military-industrial complex, once they get a taste of war, they don't stop, like what Phil said.
tim pool
I'm for it, 100%.
Actually, I want them to declare war now because I'm really excited to see Dean Withers and Harry Sisson deployed to the front lines.
shane cashman
Aha!
tim pool
I am totally joking.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, Tim and I are aged out of the draft.
Tim's like, yep, let's do it.
tim pool
I'm going to be 39 in three months.
shane cashman
They voted for that war, you know?
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, look, I have no idea what Trump ends up doing.
I, you know, look at Cash Patel.
He's not a abolish the FBI guy.
He's a get it back on track kind of guy.
And I respect him.
Even though I think the FBI has largely been bad for a long time, Cash is being fairly moderate.
And I respect him.
I think he's going to do a good job and I'm happy to see it.
But there's a reality in the Trump administration where Trump does go to war.
I do not live in this world where I think anti-war means there will never be a war, and no matter what happens, the U.S. should never be involved and we should ignore everything.
That's ridiculous.
I just think that what the U.S. calls war since the end of World War II has been intervention for the sake of empire or control.
richie mcginniss
Nation building.
tim pool
Right.
richie mcginniss
Halliburton contracts.
tim pool
And the petrodollar and maintaining the liberal economic order.
In the event the United States was legitimately attacked, we have a duty to defend ourselves or to uphold our sovereignty.
I'll put it this way.
If we as a nation allowed Iran, Russia, or China to attack us directly, let's say a dirty bomb, and then we were like, oh, I guess we'll just do nothing.
We're going to get trampled over and we will get destroyed in short order.
richie mcginniss
Look back to what the actual military action that Trump did take during his first term was like Qasem Soleimani was a good example.
I mean, that wasn't putting troops into Iran.
It was just using cruise missiles to blow or whatever it is that they used on him.
tim pool
I think it was drones, wasn't it?
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
tim pool
And he was in Iraq, wasn't he?
richie mcginniss
Yes.
Yeah.
And that's the point, is we brought democracy to a country that's 60% Shia, that borders our biggest geopolitical adversary, which is Iran, which is Shia.
tim pool
Democracy.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
And this is what my freshman year in high school, that's what my history teacher told us.
He's like, I'm going to tell you guys why the Iraq War is the stupidest idea in the world in 30 seconds.
I was like, why is my freshman history class doing better than our entire State Department?
What's going on here?
tim pool
That is...
Look, you know, conspiracy theories circulate because people want to believe that life is more interesting than it is.
The news tends to be negative or worrisome because we have no need to focus on things that are good because it doesn't put us in jeopardy.
If news breaks that, like, a bunch of orphans finally got a home...
It's not going to be the lead because it doesn't put you in danger.
richie mcginniss
If it bleeds, it leads.
tim pool
But there's a reason why.
Because you aren't worried about the safety of your family when you hear that a stray dog was rescued and given to a home.
Those videos do go viral because it's heartwarming.
But news about potential war, conflict, crisis, drones, leads.
Because you're asking yourself, what could threaten me and my family?
And what do I need to do to be ready for it?
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
And everything's been supercharged, because it used to be that everybody would sit down and watch the nightly news, and they had this standard thing of, you know, you have the lead story, and then you end with a feel-good story.
But now everybody's news feeds, and that's what I talk about in the book a lot, is how all of this stuff has been put on steroids based upon...
What gets surfaced on the algorithm and why?
And the answer is, a hate click is a lot more powerful than some kind of thought piece or anything that delves deeper than the most primal thing that's just gonna engage your lizard brain.
tim pool
I'll tell you this.
I think the right, as we would describe it today, is more resilient to this, and the left is not.
So what ends up happening is the right reacts to the left.
The left starts saying things that, like, Trump is a fascist Nazi white supremacist, and then if you want to vote for him because you're concerned about the border, you too are a fascist Nazi white supremacist or a communist Nazi, you know, commu-fascist Nazi or whatever.
Then people on the right are like, no, I'm not.
You guys are crazy.
The left entrenches themselves because they're susceptible to the rage clicks and the social pressures and the right rejects it.
And this is where you largely get components of the culture war.
richie mcginniss
Well, and definitely since the Trump era, the right was long, you know, the conservatives who stick to their values.
But you're right.
It has largely become reactionary.
And so I think there's a big question right now with the next Trump era is, A, how much of that kind of, you know, Trump said kefefe, the whole world's going to explode.
unidentified
Jeez.
richie mcginniss
How much of that is, because then when something actually does happen, everyone's just like, oh, yeah, okay, here we go again.
It's the same narrative.
So I don't know.
Will CNN do a more responsible job in reporting on the Trump White House?
shane cashman
They're going to keep staging events like what they did in Syria for irrelevance and fade out.
richie mcginniss
What was the most watched day In CNN's history.
shane cashman
Was it when they hologramed Wolf Blitzer?
richie mcginniss
No, it was...
I can give you one more guess.
Come on, it's the most...
tim pool
Was it when Don Lemon said the MH370 was sent to a black hole?
richie mcginniss
Well, they went wall-to-wall on that.
shane cashman
That was a good one.
richie mcginniss
And Jeff Zucker has defended them going wall-to-wall on that.
tim pool
He suggested a black hole swallow the airplane on Earth.
richie mcginniss
I actually want to buy that.
shane cashman
And now we know it's true, Tim.
richie mcginniss
It was January 6th, and they came out with a press release saying, bragging about our most watched day in history.
That just goes to tell you what sells and what the news really wants to make money.
tim pool
The next most highly viewed day for them will be when Trump pardons all the J6ers.
shane cashman
Oh, I can't wait.
tim pool
Oh, it's, you know, I'm having a good time watching their ratings.
CNN's ratings are just so miserably low.
I'm surprised anyone even bothers working there.
I'm going to stress this.
Doing this job, sitting here, what makes it work is that I like talking about these things and I know someone's listening.
That's true.
When I started doing this, I was getting a couple thousand views.
When I started doing on-the-ground reporting, I was getting maybe like a thousand, two thousand views.
Knowing that people are there, valuing your work and saying, thank you for being out here and showing us this makes it worth it.
If I was just recording to no one and not posting anywhere and doing nothing, I'd probably stop doing it at some point.
If you're CNN, and your viewership has gone to that degree, or you're MSNBC, and you're looking into a camera, and you're saying, I feel this way about things, and you know no one's listening.
richie mcginniss
It's a captive audience, too.
Like, the Nielsen ratings are all BS. I used to work at MSNBC, and I used to man the phone bank, and, like, half of the calls that I took in would be like, My TV isn't working.
I was like a tech guy.
I was like, ma'am, have you tried plugging it in?
Check the cable.
Okay, the HDMI cable.
You're on the wrong source.
tim pool
You've got to go to HDMI 2. I can't imagine what Rachel Maddow must be feeling knowing that no one cares what she thinks anymore.
shane cashman
She blames the lack of audience and not herself.
richie mcginniss
Well, Joy Reid, that's...
Rachel Maddow times 3,000.
tim pool
Like, who is she talking to?
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't know.
I'm not saying you need to have a massive audience of hundreds of thousands.
Like I said, I was getting started doing all this podcasting.
It started off with a YouTube video with like 1,000 or 2,000 views.
And I was like, wow, look at that.
And there were comments.
And people were saying, hey, Tim, here's this.
And talking to people, engaging with them.
And I was like, right, I've got things I want to say and I want to talk about.
And I want to go here and film this thing.
And there are people who just right away were sharing what I was doing.
So when I first started streaming, I had no followers.
I started streaming.
Someone finds it and then shares with a friend and they say, hey, we appreciate you're doing this for us.
CNN and MSNBC are going the other direction.
richie mcginniss
People trust people now and not brands.
tim pool
But I just feel like at what point are you Caitlin Collins going like, I can't talk to a box for another night.
Like no one is staring at a black line.
Only views they get are when we make fun of them.
richie mcginniss
Scott Jennings is the perfect example of that.
tim pool
I think Brian Stelter is intentionally talking like a moron every day because it's the only way people will look at him.
richie mcginniss
Did you see what he said about the ABC settlement with Jim Acosta?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We've got to stand up straight and fire.
richie mcginniss
The funny part about that is like, okay, all these people who are claiming ABC bent the knee.
It's like, do you guys realize how legal proceedings go?
They did not want to go to Discovery because I guarantee you what happened.
In my estimation, this is allegedly, that they realized that they made a big oopsie and they were like, should we backtrack?
Should we issue a correction?
And they were like, no, it's Donald Trump.
Absolutely not.
We would never give him an inch of ground.
And so they settled for $15 million plus the million dollars in legal fees because they didn't want discovery.
And that's what I relied on when I got a correction from CNN. And then you have to tune into the second book for the corrections from the New York Times.
I basically, you know, they don't want to go to court because they know that they're guilty.
tim pool
Now, hold on.
How much do you want to bet that the money that's being paid?
So, first of all, that money that's being paid to Trump is actually being allocated to a Trump museum.
Did you know that?
unidentified
Yeah.
Not only did Trump win in 2017. He's just paying for a huge Trump statue.
tim pool
It is.
$15 million.
So they've got a...
Stephanopoulos and ABC are going to pay a million bucks each to Trump for attorney's fees.
And $15 million to the creation of a presidential Trump museum.
richie mcginniss
See?
Reality is stranger than fiction.
You can't make it up.
If you made that up in a pitch for a Hollywood pitch in a border, they'd be like, no way.
tim pool
But here's the thing.
I bet ABC's insurance company just pays for it.
They probably have Arizona Missions or something.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, media insurance.
tim pool
And the insurance company probably talked to the lawyers and said, what's it going to cost if we pursue this?
richie mcginniss
Exactly, exactly.
tim pool
The lawyers told the insurance company, here are our rates, and here's what happens when we lose.
The insurance company was like, just pay them.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
I mean, there are clauses.
I just signed a media insurance contract.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That's what people need to understand about lawsuits.
The insurance companies don't want to go to war.
Everyone's saying this.
And you were saying this.
They don't want to get discovery.
That'll be bad for them.
And I'm like, I don't think that's it.
I think the insurance company just said they did an algorithm.
On average, the total cost of this lawsuit will be $37 million.
Pay them $15 million.
richie mcginniss
That is in the clause.
So literally, like when you sign a media insurance contract, it says they have the right to choose to settle in the event that they make that calculation.
tim pool
And it's standard cost-benefit analysis.
If the cost of the lawsuit, victory, is more than the cost of a settlement, they settle.
unidentified
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
Teflon Don.
Don't call them that for nothing.
phil labonte
It's great.
tim pool
But understand, this is why I respect James O'Keefe.
He never settles.
He's like, nope, we're going to war.
You want to go with me?
We'll go to war.
99% of anybody, if Shane sued Serge...
The lawyers are going to be like, it's going to cost you more if you try and fight?
unidentified
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
I mean, I tried to...
I explored the possibility of suing New York Times for libel.
And basically, I talked to 20 different lawyers, including E. Gene Carroll's lawyer.
And they were like, how much money do you have?
And I was like, I don't know.
I got a Bitcoin.
And they're like, yeah, New York Times, it's going to cost you a half a million dollars.
tim pool
Yes, but...
richie mcginniss
At least.
tim pool
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
They'll bleed you dry.
They'll go to the Supreme Court because they have more money than you.
And so they'll just bleed you dry.
tim pool
So ultimately, though, what we're seeing with Trump in this lawsuit is I don't necessarily think about who has more money in this regard.
unidentified
It's...
tim pool
Like, if you did sue the New York Times...
You probably could have forced a settlement because they have an insurance company that's going to say, we are not going to pay you.
richie mcginniss
But how much it would have taken me hundreds of thousands of dollars to get to that point.
That's the point.
If they knew that I had a finite amount of money, then they would be able to basically just drag things out as long as possible.
tim pool
You have to be willing to risk $50,000 to get nothing for a chance to force the settlement or something like that.
richie mcginniss
Well, I hired a lawyer and I did get an extra correction.
And so they did effectively admit to their fault by correcting the record.
But yeah, I didn't have 50 grand.
tim pool
But it's not just that.
richie mcginniss
I had 5 grand and that's what I spent.
tim pool
In this regard...
Trump wins because Stephanopoulos said a jury found that Trump raped this was liable for rape, which is not true at all.
And he says the judge confirmed.
So he doubled the statement saying a judge and a jury said Trump raped this woman.
It's not correct at all.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
tim pool
So Trump sues and their insurance company said.
What are we looking at?
And they're like, it's 50-50.
What he said is defamation per se.
That is not true, okay?
And so the insurance company was like, I swear, if it's $15 million, $15 million and $1, I think about the Jussie Smollett interview.
Yeah.
shane cashman
A lot.
richie mcginniss
It's pronounced small-ay.
shane cashman
Small-ay.
I have a hard time not saying that, actually.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
But, like, they constantly lie.
And, like, I wonder if their ratings have significantly dropped since then.
They've always been low.
Like, what does it look like these days for ABC in particular?
richie mcginniss
ABC's doing better than the CNN's and the NBC's of the world.
Yeah.
And they're actually trying to sign...
shane cashman
Because of, like, Good Morning America?
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
So the morning shows are what perform the best.
shane cashman
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
Because nobody watches nightly news anymore.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
richie mcginniss
And they have less baggage.
tim pool
Except for this show.
richie mcginniss
Because ABC is also not running a 24-hour news operation at the scale that MSNBC and CNN... How about we point this out?
tim pool
People don't watch nightly news anymore, so why are they watching Timcast IRL? That says something about what the nightly news has turned into, not watching news at night.
So a show like this is four or five people hanging out talking about all these things, just literally conversation.
I have a series of stories pulled up in advance.
We give each of the stories well enough time for them to flesh out and for the conversation to flow.
At a certain point or if the conversation dries, I'll say, let's jump to the next story.
And so it is more free-flowing without restrictions.
There's no commercial breaks.
We've done ad reads at the 9.30 mark for Super Chats and pre-roll, but we let the conversation just sort of flow.
That's probably why people will watch this show and not watch it.
richie mcginniss
It's not some canned news package where it's like, well, here I am standing and it's mostly peaceful.
Back to you, Jim.
tim pool
But you don't get anything from them.
If I see a guy say, today a drum was spotted over New Jersey, a nuclear power plant, the president said this.
It's like, okay, but I knew that as soon as it happened on X. Yeah.
richie mcginniss
It's also like, why do they talk like that?
tim pool
I know.
shane cashman
Why do they talk like that?
richie mcginniss
Well, today...
I'm standing here outside.
Talk to me like a person.
It's crazy.
tim pool
It's pretense.
shane cashman
They've become elevator music.
It's just a nothing.
There's nothing to it.
And people have largely rejected the soundbite culture of that news.
tim pool
But this is why...
It's large viewership on their nightly shows because their opinion context shows.
But I will stress there's a reason why we do this show as a conversation.
And in the morning I do segments, which are me monologuing.
That's not hard news.
It's like my opinion as an individual.
But I think what makes this show work is it's the end of the day hangout going over everything.
Most of the time, people already know.
Not everybody.
But when news breaks early in the day about a school shooting, you hear about it.
Your phone goes off.
You're on Twitter.
You see it.
Someone texts you.
You don't need the nightly news to tell you it happened.
But then you come hang out and we all talk about it.
We get super chats and we sort of go into the ideas and what it means.
shane cashman
And it's also probably like how they all exist in a silo, too.
You know, they're all talking about the way they see that news, but we are in our world, but then going through the ways they view the world, too.
richie mcginniss
Well, they put Maddow on a pedestal for exactly that reason, because she was more in the direction of, you know, Tucker Carlson, she was in the same time slot, of doing more opinion and that kind of stuff.
But I was in the newsroom in NBC in 2013. It was my third day at work, and this is like the very opening of the book, and Jeff Zucker, Came down, and he was the later, the president of CNN. This was like a month before he left NBC. And he had Rock Center, which was hosted by Brian Williams, which was supposed to be the millennial 60 Minutes.
And he kept on saying like, oh yeah, we're gonna use what's trending to inform our editorial decisions, yada, yada, yada.
It was my third day, and like an electric shock, my hand just went up.
And I asked him this challenging question about like, NBC's long been a bastion of, you know, editorial judgment, what people need to hear, not just like cats flying through the air because it's trending on Twitter.
And I thought that I got fired.
I luckily didn't.
I was making $12 an hour.
It wouldn't have mattered anyway.
But there was a moment in that newsroom where Jeff Zucker said, we're not doing news anymore.
He's in the DC newsroom.
The center of hard news said, we're doing entertainment.
unidentified
He said that to you?
richie mcginniss
He said that to the entire newsroom.
tim pool
Well, he was the apprentice guy.
He's the entertainment guy.
richie mcginniss
Exactly.
He's the guy who brought on Donald Trump as the apprentice.
2016, up until that point, 2016 was the highest year of ratings that CNN ever had.
And Zucker knew that because he came from NBC Entertainment and then he took over the whole show.
And yeah, he pushed everything in the direction of entertainment over news.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
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You can see the skateboard behind me.
There it is.
Right there.
The right to arm bears.
The Founding Fathers forgot to put that one in the Constitution, but if you think bears should be wearing flannel shirts, hats, and carrying shotguns, then that's a skateboard for you.
It's actually selling really well.
We've sold like hundreds.
richie mcginniss
I want that board.
tim pool
The right to arm.
richie mcginniss
I need the Ritchie board, and I need that board.
tim pool
The Ritchie one?
Oh, that's right by your feet.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
tim pool
The one where he's a colonial, a revolutionary soldier?
richie mcginniss
Yes, that's a beautiful image.
tim pool
All right, we're going to grab some Super Chats.
AlphaTurkey says, just got a bonus.
Where do I buy Bitcoin?
Well, we don't give financial advice, but if you Google it, someone else might.
I personally use Coinbase.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
unidentified
It's easy.
tim pool
All right, Justin Dixon says, number two, shout out to Richie McGinnis.
But he said gayness.
richie mcginniss
Oh my, this anti-Irish sentiment will not stand.
My name has been misspelled more than it's spelled correctly.
I blame my ancestors.
I just give you two I's, two N's, two S's.
tim pool
Alright, we got Coach Izzle says, this is for Ian's new drone.
I know that he will find out the other drone's origins with it.
Much love, Ian.
Tim, you're cool too.
Thank you.
I think we have like 12. I think we have like 12 drones.
We have a lot of drones.
Because we film a lot, and so we have drones.
I think it's a bunch of Mavic Pros.
unidentified
Yeah, those are nice.
tim pool
They're in storage somewhere.
Because you need a pilot's license to use them.
We do have a drone pilot, but we haven't really filmed a lot with them because a lot of the stuff we were planning on doing didn't happen.
richie mcginniss
Is it airspace, too, around here?
Is there an airport?
tim pool
There's an airport.
I have a couple of them, actually.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, because that'll restrict what you can do.
tim pool
Yeah, but, I mean, we're mostly good.
We're out in the middle of nowhere.
But, you know, don't fly any airports.
All right, let's see.
So Ravia says Biden should ask for a pardon from DJT. He needs it.
Well, theoretically, he could pardon himself, right?
I think he could.
shane cashman
Yeah, I guess.
tim pool
Yeah.
The Emperor's Champion says China has seen a lot of mass tragedies, and those perpetrators use knives and cars, proving that gun control is pointless.
shane cashman
Some horrible, horrible knife attacks in schools over there, over the years.
tim pool
There was a funny meme that said, if guns people, then, what did it say?
Like, spoons make people fat.
Cars run people, or, you know, it was like, cars are running people over.
Something like that.
It was funny.
Spoons!
richie mcginniss
Watch out for them spoons.
Assault spoons.
shane cashman
They're gonna outlaw knives in the UK soon.
richie mcginniss
Machine spoons.
You gotta watch out for the machine spoons.
shane cashman
Automatic spoons.
tim pool
Pup Shepard says, Tim, I hope you're well.
It would be so cool to commission art for your character Volsiferon for a boonies board.
Lots of furry artists would love to take you up on that.
richie mcginniss
Furry artists?
tim pool
Never.
It's Vol Cipheron, Herald of the Winter Mists.
richie mcginniss
Can we just back up?
What's a furry artist?
Is it an artist who's hairy?
Like an Italian artist?
tim pool
No, it's a person who makes cartoon animal art.
richie mcginniss
Oh, okay.
I'm behind on the times.
tim pool
We're working on a Culture War podcast with Phil where it's him having a conversation with 20 furries.
unidentified
20?
tim pool
Yeah, I thought the idea was we would have a ring of furries in there first.
richie mcginniss
We used to have a proper country.
tim pool
And then everybody would raise their hand and then they would pick one to go up and sit down with you.
richie mcginniss
Oh, like a debate thing?
unidentified
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
You're debating furries?
tim pool
What do they call that?
richie mcginniss
Speed debating?
tim pool
No, there's a name for it, but that's the idea.
richie mcginniss
Like the Charlie Kirk thing where he sits and they have...
And what's with the flags and stuff?
They raise it if they...
tim pool
And then if too many get raised, then it pulls the person off.
Like, they're all saying, like, we don't agree with this.
With furries.
phil labonte
I mean, look.
richie mcginniss
So just a bunch of fat, furry Italians?
tim pool
Well, nobody says...
richie mcginniss
I'm half Italian.
tim pool
It's just a bunch of guys who are hairy.
They're not actual furries.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
phil labonte
Like I said before, I will host a culture war with furries, but they have to be fully clothed, none of those weird costumes that have parts hanging out.
tim pool
Right, but regular fursuits.
phil labonte
Yes.
And by regular, he means fully covered.
tim pool
Alright, what if it's two guys in a horse costume?
richie mcginniss
And they're both naked underneath.
tim pool
Well, of course they're wearing them.
Well, I guess that's kind of weird.
All right, all right, all right.
phil labonte
Let's move on.
tim pool
We're going to move on now.
Shane H. Wilder says, in case I don't get to say it before y'all go on break, a very Merry Christmas and a joyous New Year to everybody.
I can't wait to drink two weeks on Christmas morning.
Let's go!
So if you go to casprew.com and you buy two weeks till Christmas right now, My understanding is you can get it delivered on time for Christmas.
Although we were hoping it would be released two weeks before Christmas, it's a week and a half before Christmas.
richie mcginniss
You can order this book and get it in two days.
tim pool
Ah, and you can read Riot Diet while drinking two weeks.
It's gingerbread flavor.
richie mcginniss
You can be on the Riot Diet while reading the Riot Diet.
tim pool
I want you all to imagine this.
It is sunset.
You're sitting on your couch.
The lights are off.
Candles are lit.
You have a hot cup of gingerbread two weeks till Christmas, looking outside as heavy snow is falling, and you are opening up to page one of Ride Diet.
What a beautiful night.
richie mcginniss
And page one starts with the Federales in Mexico, counting the number of beers that I had in the back.
Who's gonna make the movie?
Well, so the author of Jarhead is my editor, and we're in some talks.
tim pool
But if you were to do, I mean, isn't this a collection of a bunch of different news events?
richie mcginniss
Yeah, the question is how would you fit it all in because there's a lot of madness.
So maybe, I don't know.
tim pool
Singling like one story and fleshing it out.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, I mean, you would have to...
I asked him that and he was like, I'll figure it out.
tim pool
You know what you could do is if it were to be semi-fictionalized, you could create a story arc revolving around you and a handful of characters that travel to these zones.
The conflict would not be the zones.
It would be you as the characters and then you could have a critical moment.
richie mcginniss
Like Civil War.
Basically, I mean, Civil War is just a more extreme version of what we were doing.
A bunch of journalists traveling across the country.
Right.
tim pool
Exactly.
But real.
richie mcginniss
Yes.
And instead of rifles, it's Billy Clubs.
I mean, we got beat up by a fair number of Billy Clubs.
tim pool
And then you just choose that one moment for the climax of the show.
unidentified
All right.
richie mcginniss
I might have to have...
I don't have an agent, but I'll have you talk to Suave.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
What do you mean?
Yeah, that's what you do.
You know, like that movie Civil War, which was not about a civil war at all, which was disappointing.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
tim pool
But you saw that movie, right?
richie mcginniss
Yeah, it was about the – yeah, it followed the journalists across.
tim pool
Didn't – so I will just say what I loved about it is that it showed the true depravity of these journalists.
Would you agree?
richie mcginniss
Yes, yes.
And how they frame things and – How they're laughing and smiling and – Yeah.
tim pool
Cheering for the violence and the blood.
richie mcginniss
Absolutely.
And that's what I talk openly about in the book is like what videos did well and which ones didn't and the guilt that comes with like – Our most profitable event as a news organization was Kenosha, and it was this terrible, tragic thing that happened.
And it's like, you just...
tim pool
They're unscrupulous.
richie mcginniss
But when you're actually there, I don't understand how those people could take that kind of approach, because when you actually see it, it's totally different than viewing it through pixels on a phone.
tim pool
Dude, I can't tell you, man.
I mean, I don't need to tell you.
Being on the ground at a lot of these riots and hearing how these journalists think, not all of them, but a large portion of them, hoping for people to die, hoping for shootings, hoping for violence.
I have heard journalists say something like, oh, I hope someone gets shot or something like that, because they're like, that's what I'm here for.
I was in Ferguson, and there was a journalist.
So after a couple nights of riots, things calmed down a little bit.
A bunch of news crews are standing in the parking lot.
As if this was a festival.
And there were two journalists talking and one guy said, I'm just here to network.
shane cashman
Not surprised.
unidentified
That's wild.
tim pool
They show up to a community where gas stations are burned down, stores have been looted, a guy died, there's a cop on trial, National Guard is deployed, and these people come in, they call themselves vultures, and he's like, great networking opportunity.
richie mcginniss
I mean, that's psychopathic.
shane cashman
This is very different from the riot situation, but when I went to Long Island to report on the arrest of the suspect for the Long Island serial killer...
I'm in the courtroom surrounded by all the corporate press types, but from the local MSNBC and everything, ABC and whatnot.
And it's taking a long time for the suspect to enter the courtroom.
And we're in the room with victims' families, right?
And everyone else.
And they start chanting, we want Rex.
The reporters.
That's the suspect's name.
We want Rex.
Like whisper chanting.
Because they were getting bored of waiting for the serial killer to emerge.
These people are so...
tim pool
In that film, there's a scene where one faction is laying siege to the city and breaking through the barriers in D.C. And they're unloading full auto.
I think it's probably like, I don't know what caliber, but it's armor mounted.
And one journalist looks to the young girl and he smiles and they both smile each other and nod like, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the depravity.
And then in the end, when the main character, whatever her name is, dies, the guy just looks over her and like, what is he like?
Or the girl takes a picture of her.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Takes a picture of her dead body after getting shot in the back.
And that's it.
Carry on.
And I really respected how they framed this.
They didn't stop to render aid to her at all.
And I'm not surprised.
There are a lot of journalists I know who are not like that, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot that are.
So when they showed this woman die at the end and then the young girl just goes, picture, and then keep walking, and then the guy's like, yep, this story's more important.
They got the present, we're going there instead.
Wild, man.
Yep.
Not to mention, the main character dies because the young girl is being reckless and trying to jump out in the line of fire to get a photo.
And then she pushes her out of the way and then gets shot in the back.
And then the girl just takes a photo of her dead body.
I've met way too many of these people.
They are awful.
That famous photo of the girl who's dead.
It's a young black girl.
She dies.
And there's a photo of her on the ground.
You can see the sunset.
The real photo that went viral was one of the journalists walked around to the side and took a picture of the 17 journalists all getting a photo of a dead girl.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, and you can frame – that's the thing is the way – that's what I talk about a lot is like why do you aim your camera where you do and how do you frame it and what are you showing?
And a lot of what I would show out at the riots is like – You have the garbage fire and the umbrella gang, I call them, because no one's going to admit to being Antifa.
And so I call them the umbrella gang.
They're all in their little turtle shield, their little Roman shield formation.
tim pool
Phalanx.
richie mcginniss
And you have the fire and then you have like 30 journalists all filming, just waiting for exactly what you're talking about.
tim pool
One of my favorite encounters.
Was when I was in Ferguson, and the riot had mostly dissipated, and there were about 30 journalists in the middle of the street standing there, and an APC pulls up, and the cops get on the LRAD, and they're like, clear the road, you have to disperse.
And all the journalists, in their huddle of like 30 to 50, start moving backwards taking photos, or filming, or holding up cameras, walking slowly backwards, and then finally the cop goes, media, I am talking to you!
You need to disperse!
There were no protesters.
It was just the media trying to get a picture and they were blocking the road.
These people are scumbags.
You know, I hear the meme all the time.
They say, however much you think you hate journalists, it's not enough.
I think people really need to understand what it's like on the ground to see what these people are like.
They are not there to inform you what's going on.
They are not interested in the truth.
They revel in the chaos and the destruction.
They laugh about it.
They are callous and cold.
Not every single one, of course.
Clearly you were there.
I was there.
I went down because I wanted to see for myself what was going on because I'd seen all these stories on the internet and I wanted to tell people.
Then once I saw the media was lying, I wanted to call them out for lying and tell people what was actually happening.
Too many of those people are there just for a job.
Too many people are there because I think it's a springboard or an opportunity to get a desk position at a big news company so that they can feel important about themselves and get followers.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, and we would stream it.
We'd run longer clips, and then that tiny little three-second soundbite would get pulled out and run on cable news, and this caricature would be spun up.
tim pool
Yeah, let's read some more.
Let's read some more.
Alright, Shell Wiggins says, Hi Tim, thanks for encouraging us to change culture.
I created a six book series of Christian children's coloring books.
Pen name Melly's Garden on Amazon.
Would love a shout out.
Thanks for all you do.
Well, thanks for doing what you can to make books and build culture.
shane cashman
That's awesome.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, contact Pigeon Press if you're looking for, if you've got a book pitch out there.
Pigeon Press, we do pulp non-fiction.
Just started a publishing company because I didn't want to play the corporate media game.
tim pool
There you go.
Dung says, Kyle Rittenhouse will sue Biden after he's out.
Perhaps.
Is he gonna do that?
I hope so He got fit You see that photo he posted Yeah I did That's great He did lose I'm gonna give a shout out To Lizzo To Katrin And also the Krasensteins Yeah The Krasensteins Sorry I tweeted that Yeah look dude Like Ed Krasenstein's A liberal guy I think he's wrong And I think he's very wrong And dangerously wrong And then he posted a video Of him working out And he's fit And I'm like Hey look I don't care if I'm left to righting Encourage people to get fit.
richie mcginniss
And just so we get the full gambit, Andy Ngo is shredded now, too.
tim pool
Oh, is he shredded?
Keep working out, guys.
richie mcginniss
Good for him.
Maha, dude.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Get those seed oils out of there.
Talk to a doctor because I don't know anything about the seed oils.
I'm just repeating internet things.
Yeah, no, dude.
When I got to eat, I'm not interested in any of that garbage.
Ask people what they're deep frying their food and they can't tell you.
Why would you eat that?
richie mcginniss
I ate two McRibs and a McDouble last night.
shane cashman
You poisoned yourself, Richie.
richie mcginniss
I got hit with a hockey puck right before that, so I figured at that point...
tim pool
Let me ask you this.
shane cashman
Medicinal.
tim pool
Imagine if someone said...
Imagine if you ordered food.
Like I said, hey, we've got a...
We call it a swimming pork loin.
You go, what is it swimming in?
unidentified
They go...
I don't know.
richie mcginniss
That's what I literally did yesterday.
tim pool
Yeah, but you do...
Fair point.
You don't know what a McRib is.
It's not ribs.
richie mcginniss
There's no bone in there.
tim pool
Kick it up a notch.
I'm saying, like, you literally order something that is swimming in something and they don't know what they're serving you.
Would you eat it?
You'd probably be like, no.
richie mcginniss
I'm of the opinion it's more when you eat and how much you eat than what you're necessarily eating.
tim pool
Agree and disagree.
I think you're largely correct, but...
Not when it comes to chemicals and weird garbage in your food.
It doesn't matter what time of day you're eating if you're eating poison.
If you're drinking booze at 9am, you're going to get drunk.
It's going to affect you that way.
These weird chemicals they put in the food, it's going to affect you in ways you don't even realize.
That being said, I think you're largely correct.
A lot of people don't understand why, like, I'm eating, right?
What's happening?
Well, you're not exercising.
Largely, you need cardio, but you're also probably eating at the wrong time.
Those things matter.
richie mcginniss
You're either cutting or you're bulking.
It's just on or off.
tim pool
Yeah, you got to exercise.
Exercise matters.
And keep it simple.
It's the exhale.
Where does the fat go?
Out your lungs.
Sort of.
Not really, but yes.
When the carbon breaks down your system, it goes out of your breath.
You are breathing out your fat.
So when you are running and exercising to the point where you're breathing more and your heart rate's up, you are burning fat.
If you are just not eating, your body's probably not burning fat.
richie mcginniss
Ozinpik is this new drug.
tim pool
No, it's terrible.
richie mcginniss
No, Ozinpik.
Ozinpik.
What is it?
Ozinpik.
I know that Zin apparently is not...
You haven't heard of this?
tim pool
Of course I know it's Zin.
richie mcginniss
Apparently, I guess they donated money to...
I think it's all terrible.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Nicotine's a pretty nice drug.
shane cashman
I don't know.
It is nice every now and then.
tim pool
You know, I don't drink.
I don't smoke.
I don't got tattoos.
richie mcginniss
Just a little lip pillow.
tim pool
You know, I am one heck of a boring guy, I guess.
I play music in skateboard or something.
I don't know.
Whatever.
I posted some fingerboard videos on my Instagram.
I did a front foot impossible 5-0.
richie mcginniss
That's a vice right there.
Fingerboarding is a vice.
tim pool
I got a fingerboard in my hand the whole show.
richie mcginniss
Carpal tunnel right around the corner.
tim pool
And I'm left-handed.
I'm ambidextrous.
unidentified
Wow.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
You can go switch?
tim pool
Well, switch is usually using your index finger, but for whatever reason, I do certain things on my left hand and other things on my right hand.
I think it's because I play guitar.
richie mcginniss
Are you left eye dominant?
tim pool
Uh, nope.
richie mcginniss
Okay.
unidentified
I don't think so.
richie mcginniss
I shoot lefty because I'm left-eye dominant.
tim pool
Yeah, that's crazy.
I was watching a video, or no, we went to a range and someone was explaining left-eye and right-eye dominant, and it's like when you're right-handed but left-eye dominant.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, well, like Tucker Carlson shoots a rifle lefty because he's left-eye dominant, but he shoots a pistol righty because you could kind of change the position of the weapon.
tim pool
Interesting.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
I think playing guitar at a young age is why I tech deck with my left hand and not my right.
But I write with my right hand.
Also, my handwriting is completely illegible.
You would not be able to understand a single word that I wrote.
I don't know why, but I do capital and lowercase like that Spongebob meme whenever I write.
It's real.
richie mcginniss
Basically, you just write like Trump tweets.
Just put in capital letters.
tim pool
Randomly in the middle of sentences.
I don't know why.
It's just like, when I write...
I literally will just, if I'm just gonna write, it's capital, lowercase, lowercase, capital, capital, lowercase, and I just, I have no idea why.
You know?
Whatever.
I don't really write that type, you know?
Alright, let's grab some more.
Frozen Yoga says, rip legal vices.
LawTube was blessed to have your insight and company while we did.
Cheers, Jeff.
Oh, sad to hear.
Sad to hear, man.
WH says, Tim, you should have Sarah Adams on the show.
She just did a Sean Ryan show.
She speaks of the next attack and Islamic army with ISIS. Very interesting.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Very interesting.
phil labonte
She would be a great guest.
But for the culture war, so she could really talk about her experiences.
tim pool
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Jeremy Frank says, today is the sixth day of our daughter's life.
Congratulations, sir.
That is based indeed.
It is the most based.
JTRW says, I agree with the lead singer of All That Remains.
They should have left.
What was that in reference to?
richie mcginniss
Afghanistan.
shane cashman
After Bin Laden.
tim pool
Yes.
They should have left then.
They shouldn't have gone in the first place, but you know.
Grant Dexter says it's fake hysteria.
It's airplanes.
Watch Mick West's video.
The government is letting it happen, saying manned craft instead of airplanes.
Not necessarily.
They did come out and say that many of these reports were airplanes.
I think that it is largely airplanes, but I also think that there's something else.
So when people heard the story of drones, they all went outside and looked up and they took pictures of whatever they saw and claimed they saw it too.
There's a – look, man.
There's a photo going around from someone who says it's getting really weird outside.
There's a giant ring around the moon with a pulsating orb in it.
It was literally the corona and Jupiter.
But a lot of people don't look up.
When I was little, I was like, how old was I, like 9 or 10, is when I first noticed the corona.
Have you guys ever seen a corona?
So usually when the humidity is high, the moon will create a lens flaring effect where it creates a bright ring around the moon.
And it can be of various sizes.
Some say that usually if it's going to rain and there's a temperature differential in humidity, you're going to get refraction, which creates this beautiful ring around the moon called the corona.
Jupiter, of course, is close to the moon right now.
Sure enough, two days later, we got a massive snowstorm and rain.
And there were people posting on X saying, I don't know what's going on.
This is freaking me out.
And it's like, have you ever looked up before?
The story of...
The answer is no.
During the...
I think it was the LA Rise when the power went out.
The police got tons of reports.
Maybe it wasn't the LA Rise, but it was a power outage.
Tons of reports of something strange in the sky.
It was the Milky Way.
The Milky Way.
Because they had never seen the Milky Way before.
They're like, what is that thing?
shane cashman
Similar happened during lockdowns.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, the sky was super clear.
shane cashman
People were saying, we're seeing all these crazy things in the sky, but the sky was clearer than ever.
People were seeing the Himalayan mountains for the first time in years.
They just weren't used to it.
But I do think a lot of these things people are seeing are planes.
It was like last time I was on the show, they were talking about stuff in D.C. It was planes.
unidentified
Yep.
shane cashman
And lens flares.
But I also think there's also weird stuff happening.
I didn't take the drone story seriously until I was in New Jersey recently, saw my sisters who don't care about any of this stuff, and they were like, something's flying over our apartment, and we never have planes over here, like none of this stuff.
And they also have the blurry photo.
I'm like, why do you all take this blurry photo?
But it was weird.
tim pool
Blurry photo.
shane cashman
Blurry video, blurry photo.
I'm like, why is it always blurry?
richie mcginniss
You used to have a blimp over, do you see a tethered blimp?
shane cashman
Really?
Like how far back?
richie mcginniss
Like a couple years ago.
I mean, this is like five years ago, and then the blimp crashed.
We had a surveillance blimp over...
You could see it on certain days, but there was a blimp that was literally like...
shane cashman
Interesting.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, hanging...
shane cashman
Like a Goodyear type?
richie mcginniss
Like a, yeah, tethered surveillance blimp.
shane cashman
I like that they chose blimp.
richie mcginniss
Because I guess it's easier to keep it in the air than a drone.
It uses less energy.
There are tethered drones in D.C. like over the White House and stuff like that during Biden's inauguration.
shane cashman
They're everywhere.
tim pool
Alright, we've got C. Jones says, I just founded the show.
You didn't found it, but you found it.
You know what I mean?
You're not a founder.
The show's been around for some time.
But I believe you meant to say that you just found the show.
C. Jones, thanks for watching the show and super chatting.
richie mcginniss
Our founding father, C. Jones.
Thank you.
tim pool
Here's a good one.
Let's see.
Toof?
Is that how you say that?
In case you didn't see my last Super Chat, on December 4th, a man shot up a SDA Christian school in California, injuring two kindergartners.
In his manifesto, he stated to get revenge for Gaza-Palestine.
Whoa, I missed that one.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Jeez, man.
Dude, there is some reports circulating from some reporters that I believe is much more credible about that entity of the shooter.
And keep your kids away from the internet, man.
If there's one thing I can guarantee you, when my daughter is born in a couple of months, she will not know what the internet is at all.
richie mcginniss
Get her a pony, get her a go-kart, anything, other than if it doesn't have a screen on it.
tim pool
Nah, no phone, no internet, none of that.
We're going to live in the mountains.
You can't look at the internet until you're old enough.
shane cashman
It's imperative, exactly.
tim pool
Because if the story's true, this is a 15-year-old girl who was radicalized by deep-diving on the internet and building a worldview based around evil.
And you've got evil people enticing them.
And then this kid went nuts?
shane cashman
They're not saying she was involved in a cult.
tim pool
No, it's that like...
shane cashman
Because there's a cult that does that.
tim pool
Look at the social contagions, and not just about trans ideology or anything, but I'm talking about wokeness in general, and these ideas that make no sense and are illogical, two plus two equaling five.
If you're not exposed to this fractured worldview and the love bombing and the cult, you're not going to fall into it.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
tim pool
Kids don't have the resilience to resist information viruses.
richie mcginniss
And algorithms that are designed like viruses to literally take over your brain and keep you on there.
tim pool
All right, my friends.
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Richie, do you want to shout anything out?
richie mcginniss
Richie McGinnis on all social media.
Go get that Riot Diet from the Bezos Boutique or you can order it from your local bookstore.
I was supposed to get pepper sprayed.
Apparently that's against YouTube's terms of service.
tim pool
No, you're not doing that.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, so Tim said I couldn't get pepper sprayed.
I will be getting pepper sprayed on camera sometime soon.
So you should tune in.
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phil labonte
That is a fabulous...
Look at this thing.
richie mcginniss
Can I say the P word?
It's not a P hat.
It's not a...
Can I say...
tim pool
Yes.
richie mcginniss
It's not a pussy hat.
It's a pussy pepper spray.
tim pool
That just means cat.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Riot Diet is the book.
Shane, what up?
shane cashman
Awesome.
Richie, it was a pleasure talking to you, man.
Everyone should check out the book.
It sounds awesome.
I'm Shane Cashman everywhere online.
The show is Inverted World Live every Sunday at 6 p.m.
Phil.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on X. You can subscribe to my X page there.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
And as of January 31st, 2025, our new record, Anti-Fragile, will be available.
You can go to my X page.
The top, the pinned tweet is a link to the pre-order.
You can find a bunch of merch, a bunch of pre-order packages and stuff.
If you go to our YouTube page, Amazon Music page, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, and Deezer, you can hear new songs from the new record.
You can hear Forever Cold, Let You Go, No Tomorrow, and you can hear Divine.
And don't forget, two weeks till Christmas is available.
Right now at Cast Brew Coffee.
Go get you some.
It's delicious.
richie mcginniss
Bad Santa.
phil labonte
And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
CastBrew.com.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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