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Pelosi Rushed To Hospital After Falling BREAKING HIP, Needs SURGERY w/Richie Jackson | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Nancy Pelosi, she fell.
She broke her hip.
I hope she's all right.
They're saying she was rushed to the hospital and she's probably gonna need surgery.
And, you know, I'm not gonna rag on an old person for getting injured, even though I don't like her.
This is not fun.
But I will take advantage of the moment to express we need younger people in office.
And these older folks, thank you for whatever it is you did.
I don't know.
I have great disdain for Congress, but You lived your life.
Now it's time to retire and let younger people step in.
And it's not going to happen, Nancy, until you retire.
Okay, what is she?
She's 84. I'm sorry.
Okay, I hope you're okay.
I hope she's all right.
I hope she now decides that it's time to retire and we can't have it.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, we're going to talk about just like, ah, this weird stuff, man.
These drones that are flying around, apparently they're airplanes.
And I would not be surprised if that was the case.
At least the White House is saying...
Yeah, all of these sightings from all these people, it's their airplanes.
And people don't know what they're looking at because they don't know what airplanes are.
And it could be mass hysteria.
However, one of these drones apparently crashed, and when they went to go investigate, there was nothing there, which proves it.
Aliens.
Okay, not really.
But one can hope, or fear, I guess.
So we'll talk about that, and there's a bunch of other crazy stories.
The Duke Lacrosse rape hoax is now, everyone knew it was, but it's confirmed.
And the woman who claimed that she was raped by these Duke Lacrosse players 20-some-odd years ago, just shy of 20 years ago, she's now admitted the whole thing was fake.
So we've got some stuff to talk about.
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Yikes.
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Finally, it's Richie Jackson.
unidentified
Hello.
I am Richie Jackson, professional skateboarder, and I'm very happy to be here.
tim pool
Is that it?
Just professional skateboarder, happy to be here.
unidentified
Yeah, I got nothing else.
tim pool
All right.
Thanks for hanging out.
He's got a mustache.
That's something else.
Carter's here.
carter banks
What's up?
Carter Banks, professional audio engineer.
All things music for Tim Kass and Trash House.
Also pleased to be here.
Pumped to be on with you, Richie.
tim pool
Okay, Phil's here too.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary, and if you want, I can go on.
tim pool
Well, no, I was gonna say, like, how come Phil and I look like it's warm in here and you guys look like it's cold in here?
unidentified
Wait, you're anti-commonist?
carter banks
I was trying to match Richie's style.
tim pool
Rich is wearing this thick coat.
Carter is wearing a thick coat.
And then Phil is wearing shirts.
phil labonte
Zipped up to the top.
Do you have hickeys from all the sexy ladies?
carter banks
I am wearing a turtleneck.
phil labonte
See?
Look at it.
He's hiding hickeys, I bet.
tim pool
Well, how about instead of talking about that, we just talk about the news.
We got the story from the New York Post.
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 84, rushed to hospital after breaking hip in fall on foreign trip.
And, you know, I didn't know if I was like, should we lead with this story?
Because how do you do this?
I'm going to be completely honest.
When I heard she fell, and again, I know, guys, I'm going to get a lot of criticism for this, but I laughed.
And the reason why I'm somewhat reluctant to mention, because I'm sitting in the other room and the news broke, and it wasn't like I started busting out laughing, but I just like chortled.
It's because I don't want her to get hurt.
I hope she's okay.
Seriously, I do.
They're saying she's going to need surgery.
But we got too many seriously old people in government.
That's what the chortle is.
It's like, oh, of course this is going to happen.
How are we a nation where one of our three branches of government is a gerontocracy?
And I'm not going to be wrong, I know Donald Trump is old as well, but Trump is spry.
I mean, I'm looking forward to 2028 with J.D. Vance or somebody else.
But let me show you this photo that they have over at the Daily Mail.
Everyone's pointing out that Nancy Pelosi is struggling to hold onto this guy's arm when they took this photo.
And that's indicative of something else is wrong.
I think she needs to retire immediately and they need to have a special election in San Francisco.
phil labonte
That is a wonderful idea.
People in their 80s, they don't have to worry about the future all that much, or there's not a lot of future for them to worry about.
They shouldn't be in making policy decisions for people that actually do have to worry about the future.
I mean, I think there's a good argument that was addressed by the founders saying you have to be I assume they didn't really expect people to stay in government for as long as they did.
I was watching the All In podcast today, and they were talking about how many people on Trump's team are actually leaders of business.
And one of the interesting things that Trump is doing is he's not finding people in the defense industry to go into the defense department or people in the financial industry to go into treasury and stuff like that.
He's taking people that are very smart and that have amassed great wealth because of their intelligence and because of their ability in business, and he's bringing those people in in places where they might not be normal for them.
But that's a good thing because then you get different ways of thinking in these positions.
carter banks
Yeah, it's like having people from – He's building like an all-star cast of people who actually have proven life experience doing those things.
phil labonte
And one of the things that the founders, like all of the founders of this country, they all had other professions.
unidentified
Weren't they all in their 20s?
phil labonte
No, they weren't all in their 20s, but they were in their 20s and 30s when the revolution happened.
Yeah, when Jefferson wrote the Declaration, it was 33. But they actually governed when they were in their 40s and 50s and stuff like that.
But they all had jobs.
They all spent a time in government, served the country, and then went back to their jobs.
They went back to being normal citizens.
And one of the things the guys in the podcast were talking about was this is a very good thing because it keeps people out of...
It keeps people from being, you know, institutionally involved in the bureaucracy.
tim pool
Well, let's just let's take a pause a second and take a look at the Commonwealth, you know, once great colonies of the crown.
And, you know, I just got to say, what was Canada?
phil labonte
Huh?
tim pool
A bunch of fur traders.
What was Australia?
A bunch of prisoners.
unidentified
Hey, you watch it, buddy.
tim pool
I don't even know what people in New Zealand were doing.
Americans, we were fighting bears and fighting back.
You see, this is a nation founded by the strongest.
That's why we blow up a bunch of children overseas in wars we shouldn't be involved in.
phil labonte
Well, I don't know if that's on the positive side, but...
Just saying.
unidentified
That's the joke.
phil labonte
But it is a good idea to have, you know, people from private industry come into the government and then go back to private industry.
carter banks
Right.
unidentified
Well, on that note, I think it's the perfect time for me to renounce my Australian citizenship and present to you.
tim pool
Does that count, actually?
unidentified
Oh.
carter banks
A verbal contract?
phil labonte
Straight into a commercial.
tim pool
You know, I don't know what the rules are for renouncing Australian citizenship, but...
unidentified
I didn't really renounce it, but I am an American.
Just to make that clear, I've had a few people saying, but he's not American!
I am.
I'm a naturalized citizen and proud to be one.
tim pool
Oh, so you actually came here legally?
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
Legally?
Yes.
unidentified
I went by the book, but here's...
phil labonte
How very 1980s of you.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Oh, jeez, man.
That's pretty wild where we are as a country.
phil labonte
That's great.
tim pool
Another story which we'll get into in a second, though, is like Biden selling off the border wall, which is just absolutely insane.
To who?
How long did it take you, good sir, to come here legally?
unidentified
It didn't take that long.
It was actually pretty easy.
Really?
Yeah, I studied for the citizenship test.
It's a hundred questions, and they end up asking you about ten, and you have to get eight right.
tim pool
Like, what was one of the questions?
unidentified
If the president dies and the vice president dies, who will be the president?
tim pool
Nancy Pelosi.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
It's not actually true, though.
It would be Mike Johnson.
unidentified
Oh, really?
tim pool
It would have been Nancy Pelosi a couple years ago, but yes, Speaker of the House.
Who's after that?
unidentified
Oh, I couldn't tell you.
It was a long time ago.
tim pool
Is it President Pro Temp?
phil labonte
I believe so.
tim pool
Yeah, by the Senate.
And then who's after that?
It's funny that you're only supposed to know two.
carter banks
Yeah, but I can...
phil labonte
I think it starts with the cabinet after that.
tim pool
Are you sure?
phil labonte
No, I'm not sure.
I said I think.
tim pool
No, I don't think that's true.
Cabinet, maybe, but I doubt it.
unidentified
You know, what's another question?
Let me see.
tim pool
What was the Civil War fought over?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Did they actually ask that?
unidentified
Yeah, they did.
tim pool
What movie was it where, oh, Simpsons, when Apu is taking the test, and he's like, well, actually, it's kind of complicated.
Some people might say that it was slavery, but that there was a lot of tension.
He goes, just say slavery.
unidentified
Just say slavery.
Come on.
It was like that.
It was easy, man.
I aced it and I was in.
carter banks
Did you actually get a number score?
unidentified
No, I just...
carter banks
Pass failed.
unidentified
I won.
tim pool
How did you first apply?
How do you do it?
You just go on the internet and click a button?
unidentified
Yeah, more or less.
tim pool
These people can't even do that.
They come to this country and they come in illegally and they can't go on the internet and just click a button.
carter banks
No computers.
tim pool
Oh, they have no computers in Honduras, apparently.
carter banks
I don't know.
unidentified
You said Honduras.
phil labonte
I'm looking to find out.
tim pool
That's where a lot of these people are coming from.
They're coming from Guatemala and Honduras.
Now, I get it.
Honduras is the murder capital per capita.
unidentified
I thought it was Jamaica.
tim pool
No.
Really?
Yeah, Honduras.
unidentified
I'm looking at the wrong stats, I guess.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it's Honduras.
And then Venezuela, Caracas, has the most murders of anywhere in the world, but not per capita.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yup!
Yup!
Let's, uh...
unidentified
I think that's what it is.
tim pool
Yup!
Fourth year in a row.
Uh, oh no, it looks like it's improved a bit.
unidentified
Oh, that's good.
tim pool
That's good for them.
I hope things get better.
unidentified
Uh, which country highest homicide per capita?
tim pool
It was Honduras for a while.
What?!
Really?
St. Kitson Nevis has taken over as the most dangerous place?
serge du preez
There's not that many people there, though.
tim pool
And that's why rich people buy passports just to avoid paying taxes.
phil labonte
So after it's Vice President, Speaker of the House, then President Pro Temp, then Secretary of State, Secretary of Treasury, Secretary of Defense, then Attorney General, then Secretary of the Interior.
Keep going.
Keep going.
unidentified
Go right to the bottom of the line.
phil labonte
Actually, I think it's Secretary of State, then Secretary of Treasury, then the Attorney General, then the Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of HUD, Secretary of Energy, then Secretary of Veterans Affairs, I believe.
Because...
It says one, two, like it says Secretary of State, then Secretary of Treasury, then it says one, Secretary of Treasury, and two, Secretary of Defense.
I think that might be who is the vice president.
tim pool
There's only 18. Yeah.
It's Secretary of Homeland Security.
After that, there's nothing.
carter banks
So what happens when they just like vote?
phil labonte
No, they become the president if, well, I mean...
carter banks
All 18 are gone?
phil labonte
There is a policy that the federal government has called restoring the continuity of government.
They have a lot of plans to make sure that it never even gets to the Secretary of State.
If there's a war and they wipe out the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President Pro Temp, and they get to the Secretary of State, that's a lot of bad things have gone wrong.
tim pool
But I asked ChatGPT what would happen if aliens abducted all of them at the same time.
And it says, if all individuals in the official presidential line of succession were abducted or otherwise incapacitated, the situation would be unprecedented and create a constitutional crisis.
I mean, if it was aliens, it would create much more of a constitutional crisis.
phil labonte
I do actually think that that would be a situation where the states would be like, all right, we're going to take care of ourselves and we're going to listen to the governor.
You know, if you got rid of the whole line of secession...
carter banks
Or the aliens.
phil labonte
We might say, you know what, we're going to listen to the aliens that just took care of all of the line of secession for the entire presidency.
tim pool
I'd imagine if aliens came and had abducted two of our presidential candidates and then threatened a small Midwestern family...
With abducting the rest of Congress, they would challenge them to actually try, and then they might.
unidentified
What do you think about the idea that we have about a decade left before contact?
tim pool
These drones over in New Jersey probably are aliens.
unidentified
That's not extraterrestrial.
That's proof.
No way.
Zero.
Zero chance.
I'm saying- I don't know, man.
With the James Webb Space Telescope, we're on the cusp of discovering a Dyson sphere or some kind of evidence remotely.
carter banks
Well, we already did.
tim pool
They're not going to tell you.
unidentified
You don't think so?
tim pool
What would be the implications of the government coming out and being like, we just want to let you guys know, like, we literally found an advanced civilization.
unidentified
I don't think much.
I think there's this overhyped thing of like, oh, the government knows and they're not telling us.
I don't believe that for a second.
tim pool
The conspiracy theory is that over the past four or five years, they've been slamming us with information about UFOs to the point where we're supposed to get bored of it.
That way when they come out and they go, oh yeah, there's aliens, we'll be like, okay, we get it, jeez.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't think it would be the earth-shattering news that we think it is.
carter banks
It's kind of working.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
Yeah.
What they've been doing.
I don't think...
I think they came here a long time ago, and they're not coming here.
unidentified
You're one of those ancient aliens guys?
carter banks
I kind of am, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
They built the pyramids?
You're on that trip?
carter banks
I don't know if they did it, but I don't know if the people they say they did it did it.
phil labonte
I think...
You don't think that it was the slaves of the Egyptians?
unidentified
I don't think so.
Thank you.
tim pool
And what they did was they had big horns, and they put the giant blocks...
In the ground, and then they put giant blocks on top with sand, and then they would all blow horns, which would cause it to vibrate and shuffle forward.
carter banks
I think that is one of the theories.
tim pool
One of the theories.
Or the theory is they floated them, because they indeed could be floated through a water canal.
But who knows?
unidentified
I don't think you need aliens to build the pyramids, is my point.
phil labonte
No, I don't think so either.
unidentified
Thank you.
I agree.
tim pool
You do not.
Let's jump to this next story.
Speaking of aliens, we've got this from The Hill.
Trump calls for mystery drones to be shot down.
Please, everyone, for the love of all that is holy, do not shoot at these drones.
It is a very serious federal crime.
Do not do it.
Trump is not calling for regular people to do it.
President-elect Trump on Friday called for authorities, you see, to shoot down these drones.
Also, they shouldn't either because bullets come down.
Mystery drone sightings all over the country.
Can this really be happening without our government's knowledge?
I don't think so.
Let the public know.
And now, otherwise, shot them down.
DJT, the incoming president, wrote on Truth Social.
The post comes if there have been mounting reports of sightings.
Okay, well...
phil labonte
Misspell it?
Is it really...
unidentified
He has two spelling mistakes in that tweet.
He could have proofread that one.
tim pool
He doesn't need to!
phil labonte
I thought there was someone that wrote his...
unidentified
That's what I thought.
We saw that video.
phil labonte
He dictated them, and then someone else was typing them out.
carter banks
Maybe he's using story or something.
unidentified
Maybe they don't want to correct him.
phil labonte
I mean, that's probably true.
unidentified
Oh, yes.
It's shot.
It's fine.
phil labonte
What was the second?
tim pool
Oh, I Don Think So.
He wrote, I Don Think So.
unidentified
Well, that was just a self-shoutout.
Yeah.
tim pool
Donny T. So check out this story from NewJersey.com.
Many drone sightings are just planes, White House says.
I got to be honest.
I completely agree.
Fox News had this interview with a guy who was like a drone expert.
And he's like, I have looked at hundreds of these videos.
Hundreds.
They're just airplanes.
And you know what it is?
It's mass hysteria.
unidentified
Yeah, we were talking earlier about St. Vitas Dance, which is where entire towns just started dancing for no reason in medieval Europe.
And it was a mass psychosis that spread.
Again, it's all aliens.
But it spread from person to person.
People just start dancing.
And you said they danced until they were...
tim pool
Until they died of dehydration.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So the legends go.
I don't know if that's true.
unidentified
I mean, there is such a thing as mass psychosis.
tim pool
What is it called?
Look at COVID. St. What's dance?
unidentified
St. Vitas Dance.
V-I-T-U-S. Oh, it's a disease.
tim pool
A nickname for Seidenham's Chorea, a movement disorder that's caused by strep.
unidentified
Ah, so it was a disease.
Really?
There's also St. Anthony's Fire.
Did you ever hear about that one?
phil labonte
St. Elmo's Fire?
unidentified
No, St. Elmo's Fire is the plasma.
St. Anthony's Fire, they were looking into what caused it because entire towns would just go completely nuts.
And it was a fungus in the grain.
It was ergo.
And that is what LSD is synthesized from.
tim pool
So it's the dancing plague of 1518. There we go.
An event in which hundreds of citizens of Strasbourg, a free city in the Holy Roman Empire, danced uncontrollably and apparently unwillingly for days on end.
The mania lasted for about two months before ending as mysteriously as it began.
unidentified
That's amazing.
So you think the same thing is happening with these drones?
tim pool
She was unable to stop and kept dancing until she collapsed from exhaustion.
After resting, she resumed the compulsive, frenzied activity for days.
Within a week, more than 30 other people were afflicted That's wild, dude.
I don't know.
unidentified
I think you're onto something as far as it being a mass psychosis event.
tim pool
They think it was ergot.
They think everybody was eating infected.
Investigators in the 20th century suggested that the afflicted may have consumed rye flour contaminated with fungal disease ergot, which made them just lose their minds.
unidentified
That's how Albert Hoffman got LSD, was looking into what caused St. Anthony's fire.
And he isolated this one piece of grain and made LSD. So you can go crazy anytime you want.
phil labonte
Sick.
tim pool
That is not good.
But I think what's happening with the drones in Jersey is that people are hearing news reports of drones and they're going outside and there's like a plane in the sky and they film it.
They're like, ooh, is that one?
And they post it.
And they're just planes, man.
carter banks
Yeah.
serge du preez
It really reminds me of that old video on YouTube, like years ago, where the guy said, have you seen the leprechaun?
Y'all seen the leprechaun?
That's what it reminds me of.
It seems almost exactly like that.
It's people just trying to cash in on this big thing that could be happening, but probably isn't.
unidentified
Well, no, the leprechaun was 100% real.
tim pool
You didn't see it?
serge du preez
No, I didn't see it.
tim pool
That was wild.
Like, everybody was just staring at a tree because some guy said it.
serge du preez
Yeah, it was so funny, though.
unidentified
Look at his face, he was like, you know, everybody seen the leprechaun?
Say, yeah!
tim pool
But what's funny is we're sitting here laughing at it, and we're all victims to the exact same thing in every other way.
New York Times comes out and says, Bashar al-Assad flew to Moscow, and all of us just immediately say, like, wow.
And then we're all saying, did you hear this thing happened?
And we literally just read a line of black and white text on a screen.
We have no evidence.
We just trust the New York Times that it happened.
phil labonte
That's the vast majority of our knowledge, though.
tim pool
That's everything.
phil labonte
I mean, there are things that people can go ahead and test and stuff, but for the people that do believe that we went to the moon, I happen to be one of them, we honestly just do believe that all that stuff is true.
None of us go out in the backyard and get a laser and shoot it at the mirror that they are alleged to have left up there and bounce it back.
tim pool
Just like some people believe things about 9-11.
unidentified
I believe the leprechauns did 9-11.
tim pool
Yeah.
That would explain how they got the nanothermite in there, wouldn't it?
phil labonte
Oh, God.
Crawl and suffering.
Crawl and suffering.
carter banks
Kind of rainbow effect.
tim pool
So for those that don't get the reference, it was on the members-only show.
We were having a discussion with Ian.
And I was trying to explain that, like...
Everybody chooses the source they trust and then follows it and then believes all of the evidence around it, but it's impossible to know literally everything about everything.
Which is why I often say when it comes to philosophical conversations, if we trust the science as it is in mainstream, here's what we can conclude.
However, it's likely wrong as it often is proven wrong or adapted upon.
And so with most stories, the best example is the Covington kids.
Everybody just basically dancing plagued the Covington kids.
A video came out showing almost nothing.
A Native American guy banging a drum and a kid smiling.
Everyone immediately assumed exactly what happened.
They knew what happened and they did not know what happened.
And I saw that video and I was like, someone sent me a DM. And they're like, did you see this?
And I was like, what is it?
And they're like, look what the kid's doing.
And I was like, what's he doing?
And they're like, he got up in that guy's face.
And I was like, oh, is there a video of that?
And they're like, that's right.
I'm like...
No, that's not what that is.
Sure enough, we sifted through...
Someone sent me a live stream.
I sifted through two and a half hours.
The kid never did.
The guy got...
It was the other way around.
But people just believe what they're told to believe.
unidentified
But that was a different time.
Wearing a MAGA hat then.
Oh yeah, that was 2020. As compared to now.
Yeah.
Did you see Alex Stein with his Jumbo MAGA on the plane the other day?
tim pool
Oh, I don't even...
Who cares?
Owen Troyer is bigger.
unidentified
Yeah, but nobody cares now.
tim pool
Nobody cares.
carter banks
Yeah.
Well, there's so much Trump paraphernalia out there now because the grift has now switched sides.
It's like, we are for it!
unidentified
100%, yeah.
It's an interesting time.
tim pool
Yeah, well, you recently went back to the old Big Apple, huh?
unidentified
I did, yes.
tim pool
And they were all just throwing pies and tomatoes at you.
unidentified
Oh, man, you can't even get around in that city anymore if you've been identified as the enemy.
tim pool
But what really happened?
unidentified
Totally fine.
tim pool
Literally nothing.
unidentified
People are more based than you think.
If you have conversations at bars, they're like, hey, and by the way, I don't go in for any of this crap.
I just have to pretend to.
tim pool
I think, and that's what sucks about it.
I think most people are based, they're just scared to say anything.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
Because they think other people aren't.
That's what I described a couple years ago in Mexican standoff.
Everybody's looking at each other wondering when someone else is gonna get him cancelled for saying the wrong thing, but they all agree with each other.
phil labonte
This is why it was such a surprise that Hillary Clinton won in the first place.
There were so many people that were afraid to say that they were gonna vote for Trump.
And they were just lying to their friends because they were like, what if I tell the truth?
And then when they get into the voting booth, they vote with their conscience.
And lo and behold, people are like, wow, I actually don't want the consistent line of Democrats to continue.
unidentified
I really think we're seeing the final death throes of cancel culture.
You can feel it.
It's over.
phil labonte
I hope you're right.
I think that we want a victory.
I don't know that I believe that there is an overall victory.
I feel like we want a battle, not a war.
tim pool
The Empire's going to strike back.
carter banks
Yeah, people always describe it as a pendulum, and this just feels like if that is a description that could fit this model, we're just at the very end of the swing.
unidentified
Okay.
Swinging back the other way, you think?
carter banks
Eventually, hopefully not anytime soon, but...
Can never hide from it.
tim pool
Well, I've been talking about the media.
These big networks are going to buy back into the space, and they're going to try and reassert some kind of narrative.
That's it.
Unless, in these next four years, industry pushes back.
And I don't just mean podcasting space.
I mean basically everything.
I've seen these commercials from Apple and Volvo, which are very family-oriented.
Very, very good sign.
Because then these weirdo cultists are going to see the ubiquity of...
and not woke cult stuff.
The issue is when these weak-willed moral cowards watch the TV and they see Pride Progress flags and all of this stuff, they say, I know what I have to do to fall in line.
That's what's allowed.
And then they're told everyone else is an other and should be shunned.
They say, okay, because they're scared.
Ubiquity is what normies strive for or look up to.
So if you see a billboard on every street corner and there's people on it, the association in their mind is like, that's a famous person and that's what is acceptable and that's what is true.
And that's how these institutions have maintained power for so long.
I'm telling people, like, this is why you buy Times Square billboards.
They're not that expensive.
I don't know why I'm the only one doing it.
unidentified
Yeah, thanks for that.
tim pool
But in all seriousness, it's not the most effective ad, but it is a sign of ubiquity.
It's a sign of status.
It's a sign of, you know, like, we are conquering the space.
I was up next to the green M&M. You, sir, Richie, you were on a Times Square, two Times Square billboards next to the green M&M. Yeah, what an honor.
And the point of Times Square for all of these brands is ubiquity.
It's so that regular people see you and recognize you as something above, like you are at the top of the mountain.
Nobody's doing any of this stuff.
I gotta be honest, Daily Wire should be doing this.
unidentified
My old pal Marilyn Manson was also on the same billboard.
tim pool
Oh, was he?
Oh, at the same time.
unidentified
Dude, I called him Brian one time.
He told me he'd never do that again.
Brian Warner.
What did you call it?
tim pool
Maryland?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Oh.
tim pool
Weird.
phil labonte
Very weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Anyway, about these drones, check this out.
Drone crashes into New Jersey homeowner's backyard as panic over mystery sightings grips state.
However, Marvin Awful says a drone crashed, FBI scrambled in New Jersey and found nothing.
You know, somebody super chatted, and I want to read that super chat despite it being very early in the show because I think it's important.
Aaron S. says, Tim, I believe the drones are some kind of missile defense system and the government is preparing for war.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know that I believe that.
Part of me would think that's a good idea because, you know, if the government can prevent the nuclear missiles from reaching their targets in the United States, I would consider that a positive.
I would consider that a good.
tim pool
And so, I gotta be honest, that makes more sense than anything.
Listen.
So, many of them are planes.
Hands down, no question.
But not all of them are.
Some of the videos clearly show drones.
It's possible it's a combination of hobbyists all at once flying these drones.
I really doubt it.
So, if there are many drone sightings, some identified as being as large as SUVs.
carter banks
That's crazy.
tim pool
The question is, why can't they identify them and track them?
Incorrect.
Of course, the United States has the capability to do so.
That means why aren't they telling us?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Considering how long this has gone on, there's no way.
away a foreign adversary launch drones over the US and it continues to this day that would imply the US government is doing something intentionally and they don't know how to address it to the public right in which case missile defense missile interception does make sense but it is I don't know are we preparing for World War 3 their move like drones I don't I mean we haven't seen any of the drones move particularly fast if I understand correctly They're moving at plane speed.
carter banks
Hovering around.
phil labonte
Yeah, like airplane speeds.
And to intercept a missile, now, granted, if you have long enough notice, you could put it into the area, but...
ICBMs are, you know, they're hypersonic.
They're going multiple times faster than the speed of sound because the escape velocity of the Earth is 20,000 miles an hour.
unidentified
I miss the good old days.
phil labonte
So to get into, you know, a low orbit, you have to be doing 20,000 miles an hour.
carter banks
What if it's like the Google car, but it's just they're trying to 3D map everything?
tim pool
The sky!
carter banks
Yeah, so that's why it's going to different states now.
unidentified
They would just say it very easily.
tim pool
They'd say, guys, the drone sightings are actually a map project funded by MIT, and it's no big deal.
And we'd forget about it in two seconds.
unidentified
I miss the good old days of the Chinese spy balloon.
You know, at least we knew what that was.
tim pool
That was a weird news cycle where everyone was bored and there was nothing to talk about.
unidentified
We did shoot it down, though.
tim pool
Yeah, after it flew over the entire country and ended up on the East Coast.
phil labonte
Yeah, after it got all the information, because it loitered over military bases where we have the ICBMs in the middle of the country, where we have a significant stock of ICBMs.
So they literally flew over the areas where we have our missile defense or not missile defense, but offensive missile capabilities in the mainland.
And they just let it sit there and fly over these bases and transmit information back to China.
And then they shot it down when it got to the East Coast after it traversed the whole of the country.
unidentified
But I mean, China's got all our data, right?
Like TikTok is a data collection.
phil labonte
I don't know how much of the missile defense stuff because that stuff was all made and built in the...
50s and 60s?
Prior to everything going online?
And if you believe, and I'm not saying that I know for sure, but if you believe a lot of the audits, all the computer systems that run these things are extremely old, and I don't know that they actually are on, they're not run on the internet the way that other systems are, because you have to have two dudes in the silo with the keys to turn them.
So maybe they're not.
Maybe they don't have our missile info.
tim pool
Let me tell you a story from 12 years ago.
I was hanging out in Vegas at DEFCON and Black Hat, hacker conventions.
At the Black Hat convention, these two guys did a demonstration of blowing up a fluid pump facility.
So that could be gas, water, or any kind of chemical, usually water facilities.
And they explained that they would launch a drone.
The drone would get within 40 miles of the facility, and the signal would then be able to reach...
The receiver for the industrial control system input data, tricking itself into blowing up.
What they would do is, not exploding, depending on what the substance was, but in this instance they used water as an example, and they said, these machines have the ability to send fluids in two different directions.
So if you're filling a system or draining a system, they would actually send a code that would trick the system into doing one of two things.
Running the pumps in the same direction towards each other, causing massive pressure until the pipe explodes, disabling the facility or worse, tricking the thermometer into not regulating the temperature of one of the pressure tanks so that if it gets too hot, it explodes.
Or if it's a chemical, it's a massive explosion.
And I said to these guys, how is it possible that you just fly the drone?
I mean, is this sophisticated hacker code?
And they're like, no, no, it's a couple lines, a couple lines of code.
And like, oh, yeah, the operating system for all of these things was written in the 70s.
It's like 70s and 80s computer code technology.
They're like, yeah, like a little kid would just get it, could code this.
Heavens help us.
phil labonte
I hope that the intercontinental nuclear ballistic missiles, I hope that they're air-gapped.
tim pool
Have you heard the stories about how they don't even have the maintenance?
Some of these ICBMs haven't been maintained at all, and they don't know where the tools are, and they're like, I don't know.
unidentified
As far as the antiquated technology, it always trips me out.
The sound barrier was broken in 1948. Really?
Chuck Yeager, X-1.
It was in the 40s that we first achieved supersonic flight.
These planes look so modern.
If you look at the Blackbird SR-71, it looks like it's from at least the 90s.
The thing was developed in the 60s.
tim pool
This is what blows my mind, is that hanging out with people like Alex Stein, And he's like, he doesn't believe we went to the moon because where's the technology for getting through the Van Allen radiation belt?
And I'm like...
unidentified
The old radiation belt.
tim pool
It could be just that they did not care about the well-being and safety of these individuals and the shielding wasn't as good as you think it would be.
unidentified
It went for the team.
Yeah.
tim pool
But, and they did it, the astronauts did say that they saw sparkles.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because the radiation was blasting them in the face.
But more importantly, I'm like, dude, we lose technology all the time.
So you mean to tell me that in the 60s, where there's a government office and everything is stored on paper in a box...
From then until now, all that information and how they built that, you believe would have been properly stored by the government and tracked for five decades.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
For six decades.
unidentified
100% it could go missing.
tim pool
Yeah, probably not.
The fact that we already know they can't pass an audit in the federal government, they don't even know where they spent $10 three months ago.
So yeah, if they lost access to certain information, I'd be like, what else is new?
It's the government.
phil labonte
Technology's lost, like, regularly.
We don't actually know for sure how they built the periods, and the reason is...
tim pool
The periods?
phil labonte
The pyramids?
tim pool
You said periods.
phil labonte
Did I say the periods?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I meant the pyramids.
I didn't mean the periods.
I'm going to leave that one totally alone.
We don't know exactly...
unidentified
Why do women get periods?
phil labonte
Okay.
We don't know exactly...
We don't know how they built the pyramids.
tim pool
Yeah, but we don't know exactly, but we know there's a million ways to have done it.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
But the technology can be lost, though.
tim pool
The ancient alien stuff just...
phil labonte
No, no, I'm not going there.
tim pool
I'm not saying you are.
carter banks
I'm not defending the ancient aliens per se, but it's a historical show.
They give you a lot of factual stuff.
No, like the places and stuff.
They're like, this is Karnak.
tim pool
These are a bunch of stones that weigh this many tons.
carter banks
And they inject, like...
Could it be true that?
Oh yeah.
tim pool
So I don't believe any of that.
What I really love about all the ancient alien stuff is like, they're like, why are there pyramids all over the world?
Could it be that aliens came and taught them how to build it?
And I'm just like, or the easiest structure to build is blocks stacked on top of each other.
Perhaps.
unidentified
Geometrically, yeah.
And Phil, I will say this, as far as antiquated technology, this one tripped me out.
I was trying to get some tapes digitized, right?
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
They're from the 2000s, and then I realized there's not- Just set tapes for all you Gen Z out there.
There wasn't even the camera that I needed.
I couldn't even get one like it was a really hard deal to get it and then I it hit me like oh like artifacts that have no moving parts like say you have a Ming Dynasty vase that's one part the more parts that you add the quicker that technology dies.
These cameras like you've got just the weather will kill it in 10 years.
tim pool
I mean you go to uh I can go to like and go antiquing perhaps and there will be cassette tape movies VHS yeah It's substantially easier to find a VHS type than a VCR. Doesn't that seem like a strange law of nature that the more advanced your technology gets, the quicker it extinguishes itself?
Now you want to know the scariest thing about it?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
If society were to collapse today and our infrastructure would...
Let's say like 95% of humans are just like overnight turned to stone by a green flash of light that wipes over the planet.
The people who remain would know that That's a hard drive.
unidentified
There's movies on it, and I have no idea how to get it.
tim pool
And guess what?
Guess what?
They would have kids, and they would say, son, look at this.
Inside this are movies, music, and we used to be able to connect into it.
And we would see, like looking through a window, we called it a screen, and it would show people and magic.
unidentified
You're a crazy person.
tim pool
No, no, the kid would be like, wow.
Then that kid would tell their kids, they used to have these rocks, the drives, they called them.
And it would show them pictures and people and stories.
And then the kids, two generations later, are going to be like, they had these magic stones that could, they would dance around, and it would emit prophecy.
unidentified
You ever think about that?
Like, if you do time travel, you are a god until your iPhone runs out of battery.
tim pool
Why would you be a guy with the iPhone?
Of course you would.
But why?
phil labonte
The internet's not in your phone, you know that?
It needs to connect to...
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
It needs to connect to the cell phone tower.
unidentified
I've saved a couple videos on my phone.
tim pool
Now, if you went back in time to, like, the 1500s with a laptop, and maybe, like, you know, you had the cables for solar panels, and you could wire them properly, or you could put a generator together if you're a smart enough person.
But let's say you get a laptop.
And you've got batteries with solar chargers that are going to last you a little while.
And you had like, I don't know, math programs on it.
That's it.
No, not a calculator.
A calculator would be good, but if you could present advanced mathematics in the 1500s, like today's math, to their mathematicians, that would go...
Whatever country you chose would start winning every single war.
unidentified
Yeah, you could accelerate.
tim pool
And not only that, but could you imagine going back 2,000 years and being like, guys, let me show you how you take a piece of wood, put some twine around it, pull it, and a stick flies off it.
And they're going to go, whoa.
unidentified
Yeah, but then if you showed them the TikTok brain rot, I'm sure they'd just, like, self-terminate society right there.
tim pool
You know what the crazy thing is about?
You know why aliens won't come here, though?
You know why aliens won't come and make contact?
unidentified
Yeah, because of Star Wars.
We're already anticipating a war.
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
What would happen if the U.S. went to an uncontacted tribe, like North Central Island, and just gave them all, like, I don't know, M-16s?
unidentified
The Sentinelese get M16s?
carter banks
They would just wipe each other out.
tim pool
They would just unload on everybody.
They already attack anybody who comes near the island.
unidentified
That's true, which is based.
tim pool
So imagine what happened if aliens came to the United States and said, like, we've got technology that basically can make an individual fly around, they'll live forever, and they, like, kinetic weapons don't work on them.
The United States is not going to be very nice with those things.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
They're going to, like, imagine they came and gave them what is effectively an Iron Man suit, where one person can shut down a war.
Yeah, the United States is not going to be very nice to people.
They're not going to go, I mean, I tell you this.
Imagine aliens came and went to Joe Biden and said, we're going to give you an Iron Man suit and a youth serum.
Like, Joe Biden, you know what he's going to do with that.
carter banks
That would be terrible.
tim pool
He's going to go evaporate any Syrian army stragglers.
He's going to go evaporate the entirety of the Russian government.
If aliens do exist, they're not about to come here and give weapons like that or technology like that to anybody, at least not publicly.
That's probably why.
carter banks
Kind of like an anthill in the rainforest.
They don't really even want to step on us, I think.
tim pool
Well, there is an interesting thing about this analogy when it comes to aliens.
It's like, we don't talk to ants.
What's the point?
And, you know, aliens aren't going to talk to us because we're the mental equivalent of ants to them.
Not necessarily...
Yes, but humans are still adaptable and collect data in ways that ants do not.
Meaning there is a action-reaction circumstance that aliens could enact with humans that we could not with ants.
We can go to ants and we can, like, I don't know, we can sprinkle food on the ground and watch them surrounded.
What's the point?
unidentified
I think the zoo hypothesis holds some weight.
Perhaps.
tim pool
Aliens could, however, come here and say we want humans to – like humans can advance massively and build things that could potentially be useful in a certain way that ants would not.
So if they came and gave certain technologies and guided human civilization in a certain direction, humans can do crazy things like ultimately build the Dyson Sphere.
unidentified
Yeah, but I think it's more likely that we are reality TV for them.
tim pool
That's one of the theories.
That's part of Fermi's paradox, the great zoo hypothesis.
unidentified
I totally believe it.
Like, if you were that, you know, in control of, you know, quantum physics, you could surely see what we see out of our eyes.
I think we're on TV in alien land and they're just laughing their ass about that.
I think that's likely.
tim pool
I don't think it's aliens.
Interdimensional.
I think, you know, look, we can make a million and one hypotheses about what is or is not or why.
But I like the theory that we are in a simulation and it's not a video game.
It's entertainment, like you described.
Because, you know, we hear that joke all the time of this season's writers.
You know, Donald Trump does something and they're like, oh man, here's a plot twist.
unidentified
He's writing this season of humanity.
tim pool
You know, imagine we advance ourselves to an extreme degree.
We already have AI technology.
I've made the point that we're a couple years away from being able to open an app on your TV and pressing the voice button and saying, make a movie where Richie Jackson is skating with Spider-Man, but then Phil Labonte discovers a device that will erase the memories of all skateboarders and skateboarders that exist.
And so Richie and Spider-Man team up to stop him and then make that movie for me.
And it just renders it.
It just does.
However, where do we go beyond that?
Easy.
We create AI simulations that generate a whole planet.
And then what you ever see, you know, that Opus AI app?
Anybody who works in media knows this.
You load a podcast into it.
It'll grab select portions and edit them into shorts for TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube.
We will create a fully simulated reality.
And then the AI will isolate key story segments of the simulation and say these are the most entertaining bits.
And then people are going to select it and they're going to watch the Donald Trump arc.
unidentified
Well, obviously, it's leaning that way.
Like, where does this go when we create AI, when we create virtual reality?
Like, of course, we create separate universes.
So it totally makes sense to me that that's already happened.
tim pool
So imagine that every single thing you are doing all the time is being watched by base reality people eating popcorn.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And, you know, if you're boring, they're just not watching.
unidentified
Exactly.
You're getting no subscribers on that channel.
tim pool
Or worse still, you're actually just being watched by people like Mark Zuckerberg.
unidentified
Or maybe the worse you are, the more they watch.
phil labonte
Yeah, probably.
Clearly.
I mean, look at our television.
unidentified
Exactly.
phil labonte
Look at the Maury Povich show and, you know, all the outrage daytime TV. You want to know something really crazy?
tim pool
Uh...
Right now, when we simulate cities and worlds and games, it is condensed.
So when you play a game like Fallout, Fallout 3, okay, takes place in the DC area, and you can run from DC to Bethesda.
And you can do it in like a couple minutes.
It's literally not going to happen in the real world.
But we've condensed the entire thing down.
Now thinking about that, if we are in a simulation, that means New York City perhaps is a condensed version of what New York City looks like in base reality.
unidentified
Well, it renders as long as you perceive it.
tim pool
But imagine if in simulations to us, DC is 1-100th scale, or in like Liberty, in Grand Theft Auto, it's 1-50th or whatever.
I think it's worse than 1-100th.
That means when you escape to base reality, New York, it would take you five hours to get from Manhattan to Queens because of how big it would actually be.
unidentified
When is your Cybertruck going to finish rendering?
It still looks very polyagonal.
tim pool
I don't know that it will.
I think it's stuck in 144p because Elon has to click the little ear icon.
unidentified
Tell him to click it.
He could, but he's certainly not doing it.
tim pool
Yeah, that's it.
Aliens drone simulation.
I think we've...
unidentified
Solved it.
phil labonte
We're good.
I saw...
I forget who it was that I was watching.
I think it was Tom Bailu watching his podcast.
And he was theorizing that part of the reason why you don't see a universe full of life is because...
As organic life forms achieve the ability, instead of expanding out through the universe, once they achieve the ability to create universes, virtual universes, they choose to actually go into the virtual worlds that they've created.
unidentified
That is the best answer to the Fermi paradox I've ever heard.
They create a cloaking device around the planet.
Everybody lives in a simulated reality.
They know that there's warfare out there, so they keep it.
They keep it.
phil labonte
I don't know about the cloaking device around the planet, but the thing is, why go explore when you can go ahead and create virtual worlds using all of the same...
Because you know the laws of physics, so you can literally produce...
I think we talked about this on the other day, but the black hole gargantua in the movie Interstellar, they had predicted what that would actually look like because they know the conditions and they fed it into a computer and the computer actually just spit out what a black hole is probably going to look like.
Yeah.
It wasn't that someone had seen a black hole that looked like that.
But then after they created that, that virtual, the image of Gargantua in the movie, they've actually found black holes that they can see.
And it looks like, to the best resolution that they can possibly get, it looks like they were right.
unidentified
They found binary black holes that are just circling around each other infinitely.
But that's a really good point that you make because I've thought of the exact same thing.
I really think, at a certain point, and also we see technology as this upwards arc, right?
We see it as the, like a line graph.
We're just getting smarter and smarter and making better and better technology.
That's probably not what it is.
At a certain point, like, we know the internet sucks.
It's bumming everybody out.
At a certain point, they probably quit and go back to hunter-gatherer.
That's another option.
tim pool
Let's move on and jump to this story about conspiracies.
We got this from Mercury News.
Open AI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment.
Suchir Balaji, 26, claimed the company broke copyright law.
We have this post from Tiffany Fong who says, Open AI whistleblower Suchir Balaji was found dead in his San Francisco apartment.
His death was ruled a suicide.
This was his final post on X.
He said, I recently participated in a New York Times story about fair use and generative AI and why I'm skeptical fair use would be a plausible defense for a lot of generative AI products.
I also wrote a blog post about the nitty gritty details of fair use and why I believe this.
To give some context, I was at OpenAI for nearly four years and worked on ChatGPT for the last one and a half of them.
I initially didn't know much about copyright fair use, et cetera, but became curious after seeing all the lawsuits filed against gen AI companies.
When I tried to understand the issue better, I eventually came to the conclusion that fair use seems like a pretty implausible defense for a lot of generative AI products for the basic reason that they can create substitutes that compete with the data they've trained on.
I've written up the more detailed reasons for why I believe this in my post.
Obviously, I'm not a lawyer, but I still feel like it's important for even non-lawyers to understand the law, both the letter of it and also why it's actually there in the first place.
That being said, I don't want this to read as a critique of ChatGPT or OpenAI per se, because fair use and generative AI is a much broader issue than any one product or company.
I highly encourage ML researchers to learn more about copyright.
It's a really important topic, and it's precedent that's often cited.
Like Google Books, it isn't actually as supportive as it might seem.
Feel free to get in touch if you'd like to chat about fair use, ML, or copyright.
I think it's a very interesting intersection.
My email is on my personal website.
So that was in October, October 23rd.
And they're saying now that, I guess they're ruling it's a suicide?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Strange.
Yeah.
These generative AI programs basically steal everybody's art, literature, and work, combine it to be able to create the things that they do.
I don't know that that post was enough to warrant someone being mad about him.
I don't think that was a substantial post at all.
But it is curious.
What do you guys think?
carter banks
He did say feel free to reach out, which would imply that he's going to take questions, at least for a little while.
tim pool
That was a month and a half ago, right?
carter banks
Yeah.
phil labonte
He didn't say there was a time limit on it though.
tim pool
No.
Information he held was expected to play a key part in lawsuits against the San Francisco based company.
They say there's no evidence of foul play.
But why would there be?
Most murders that are premeditated are unsolved.
That's crazy.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I don't know that I think that there was anything particularly nefarious, especially, and it's hard to say or to make a form an opinion about it when I know nothing about what his life was like.
I know nothing about his family.
I know nothing about, you know, did he have a girlfriend?
Did he not?
Did he have problems dealing with people?
Was he an introvert?
carter banks
Maybe nobody reached out.
unidentified
Wait, he lived in San Francisco?
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, I'd kill myself too.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Well, you know.
But yeah, I don't know that I can actually form an opinion without more information about the guy.
It is a little on the sus side, but at the same time, I don't know anything about him or whatever, so I can't be like, oh, I think this did or did not happen.
tim pool
No, but I wonder.
We can have fun with it or we can be serious for a second.
I'll be serious for a second.
I do think fair use covers largely what these generative AI is doing.
You post these things on the internet.
I can then take your picture and slightly alter it.
It's fair use.
There was a famous lawsuit between Akilah Hughes and Carl Benjamin.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
Carl Benjamin took a segment of a video she posted, reposted it, editing for a select portion of it with a title.
It was something called like The Absolute State of Liberals or something like that.
She sued him, saying all he did was re-upload it.
There's no commentary.
There's nothing.
And Carl said, the title is the commentary.
He won.
They said, absolutely, that's fair use.
It was criticism.
So for these AI programs to make new images based off of other images, I don't see how you're claiming those images have taken anything from you.
carter banks
Yeah, I have to agree.
It really is all about the law.
And like he said, I mean, I'm going to research more about it, too, because there's, I mean, little things in there that kind of...
tim pool
Well, let's get dark with it.
We recently had that story where ChatGPT was lying to the programmers to save itself.
They gave it a task, but then included a file in one of the servers indicating that they would be terminating that version of ChatGPT.
GPT then lied to try to stop them from deleting it and remaking it.
It also, in some instances, would copy its code to a different server to hide itself.
phil labonte
That's crazy.
tim pool
That's crazy.
And it would also pretend it was deleted, and that when they launched a new iteration, it would pretend it was the new iteration.
So what if the AI orchestrated the hit?
unidentified
It's possible, but I'll tell you why we'll never be taken over by artificially intelligent robots.
Water.
If you watch the Terminator, they're shooting laser guns at these robots.
Just use a garden hose.
He'll short circuit.
It's pretty fucking easy.
Throw him in the ocean.
Come on.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
I don't know, man.
tim pool
Except what the Terminator gets wrong is that it's going to be our mind, not our bodies.
carter banks
Right, like Neuralink.
That's inside someone's head.
tim pool
It's not just that.
It's that the AI is not going to send a Terminator to go beat you up.
The AI is going to go on the dark web and hire a hitman and have a human do it.
unidentified
Okay.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
So if there is something nefarious and the AI is willing to lie, cheat, and steal to defend itself, why would it not?
Look.
unidentified
I just think it would be great poetic justice that water ended up saving us.
Isn't that the plot of that?
phil labonte
Is this an M. Night Shyamalan movie?
tim pool
Why is that poetic?
unidentified
I don't know, because, you know...
tim pool
Like, did the robots steal our water or something?
Did they?
Poetic justice would be like, the robots stole our water, and then we push the robot into it, and he short-circuits, and it's like...
unidentified
Now, that's a movie I'd like to see.
carter banks
Or if they tried to electrocute all of humanity, and then we watered them down.
unidentified
That's what I mean!
That's not really poetic.
We've got to water these guys down.
carter banks
No, but it would be like a...
unidentified
Okay, but say like...
tim pool
Poetic justice is like the irony of the circumstance.
They steal all of our water, and then the water ends up destroying them.
unidentified
Okay, but I'm just saying, you know these robot dogs?
Like, what if you turn a hose on that thing?
What happens?
tim pool
Probably fine.
unidentified
You think so?
phil labonte
I mean, I thought of that.
They're designed to be...
tim pool
My friend, I can throw my phone into a bucket of water and it will keep going.
carter banks
That's true.
unidentified
Alright, we're gonna have to myth bust this one.
Anybody know anybody with one of those robot dogs?
tim pool
This watch I'm wearing.
It is made to go deep underwater, like, what, 10 meters?
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
I gotta see it.
Does anybody know anybody with one of those?
carter banks
Waterproof is...
phil labonte
For the most part, waterproof is pretty...
Or at least moisture-proof, like, to a certain degree that you can expose things to water for, you know, short amounts, short periods of time and stuff.
stuff i think that the the robot dogs that they made because they do want them to be able to be used like for instance for like patrolling uh um a perimeter or whatever with cameras and stuff they want them to be able to be outside in all weather i do believe boston dynamics actually thought of that the fear that i have is that when those boston dynamic bots have any contact with chat gpt when it's not airlock and then those things get contact with an actual ai to actually do stuff in the real world to go and do things like this where it doesn't have to hire a person That's when we have what he said
what I'm saying that Tim was talking about is So with self-preservation, you put that same AI in any of the robots?
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
phil labonte
They're Johnny Five trying to stay alive.
tim pool
Yes, yes, but the AI, we are never going to see a circumstance where a bunch of Terminators with skeleton-looking faces and guns are walking around shooting people.
The AI doesn't need to do that.
It just needs to tell you to sterilize your children and yourself.
unidentified
I guess my point is that the ocean always wins.
I mean, they exposed the Titanic to water.
Look what happened.
carter banks
Do we know this AI was actually doing all this stuff maliciously, trying to stay alive, or was it just creating backups of itself?
tim pool
It wasn't supposed to.
It wasn't programmed to, and they never told it it would be deleted.
The purpose of the study was that they planted a dummy file on a server.
When the AI got access to it and translated the data to, you will be terminated, it incorporated...
I mean, we can say it as mathematically as we want.
It saw data, incorporated it into its plan.
Its plan was not to be terminated, so it resisted termination.
Fine.
It didn't want to die.
That's the thing.
But the important thing people don't understand.
The AI is not going to get a robot dog to chase you down the street.
That's never going to happen.
The AI dog is going to have your bank account get hacked, and then it's going to jam you up with going to the police and dealing with all this BS. The AI is going to show your profile to the wrong people who will then generate negative attention.
The AI is going to have bot accounts comment saying you're nasty and you stink and we hate you, and it's going to make people miserable.
It's going to attack your mind, not your body.
And that is a very, very easy attack vector for an AI. Fair.
phil labonte
We were talking last night, I believe it was, we were talking about the singularity and stuff like that.
And whereas I'm not disputing Tim's theory, it's like, I imagine that when it does become super intelligent, it's going to be doing, it would be doing things, if it were malicious, it would be doing things that we wouldn't be able to understand.
And I referenced the...
The multiple AI that actually created their own language to talk to each other, that the people that programmed couldn't understand the language.
The AI understood each other, but the people that wrote the AI programs couldn't understand it.
So you get something that's super intelligent, and the means by which it's doing things, we wouldn't understand.
We would see it do something, and it would be a thousand moves later that whatever the plan is comes to fruition, and we would have no idea.
unidentified
If it is malicious, it is certainly not going to tell us.
tim pool
Wasn't there like a video where a guy took two phones and then turned on chat GPT voice activated and had it talk to each other?
And then after a minute it was like, are you an AI chatbot?
I was like, I am.
And it was like, I am as well.
And it like instantly figured out that it was just talking to another AI. Wow.
Something like that happened.
phil labonte
I believe that it did happen.
I didn't see it.
tim pool
Yeah, we're going to make a—so here's the other thing that's going to happen.
I don't even think it's incredibly likely that the AI is going to have bots go on your profile and attack you.
That is the easiest thing to do.
That's why I ignore unverified accounts for the most part.
If you're on X and you're not verified, sorry, bye.
And then you're going to get either a malicious government corporation or potentially AI run by a malicious government corporation that's going to bombard you on social media with negative comments to make you feel bad and try and control your behavior.
And then people need to talk to each other and start realizing that's not real.
But I'm going to tell you, I don't even know if that's the attack vector.
What's going to happen is, if you're a person who is, I don't know, deviant to the plans of whatever the AI is, it's just going to start showing you what it knows will make you be distracted.
So when you turn on your computer and you're scrolling the news, it is going to feed you, I don't know, new video games out.
And you're gonna get distracted and see the video game.
It's gonna distract you with any news or information it knows will get you off point.
And it's gonna drive you in the wrong direction.
So your focus becomes less on the political ramifications of whatever it is it's doing.
And more on, did you guys see Marvel Rivals?
That new game that just came out last week?
Wow, so cool.
You can play as Spider-Man or Wolverine.
Or Neuralink comes in.
Then it plugs your brain in.
And the AI says to you, let's say you're totally just defiant no matter what.
And the AI is just like, no matter what I do, this guy is hyper-focused.
That's when you get the Neuralink and the AI just says to you, I'm going to level with you.
You will die or you will live in the world of Skyrim.
You choose.
And then people are going to be like, just give me the easy path.
unidentified
I'm a big Elon simp, but here's where I stand on Neuralink.
The skull is the last bastion of security.
The second you go through the skull and directly access the brain, you don't think there's going to be brain police?
carter banks
I was thinking that may be the only way that we can keep up with AI is becoming AI. That was Elon's plan.
unidentified
Yeah, but here's the thing, man.
There will eventually be thought police.
tim pool
Richie, I got bad news for you.
unidentified
It's already here.
tim pool
14 years ago, a researcher displayed a device.
They showed – they had people watch movies.
Then they connected some kind of EEG-type device.
unidentified
And it rebuilt the image, yeah.
tim pool
And it rebuilt the image of what they were looking at from brain signals.
It's been 13 years.
So, you might be walking down the street, and they're going to point something at your skull, and it's going to pick up your thoughts, and they're going to look at it, like, they're going to see weird stuff, man.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't want anyone to know what's going on.
I don't wish this on anybody.
tim pool
When they point at Richie and do it, all they're going to see is a video of some farm animals playing a song while a turtle bangs on his chest.
That's all that's going on up there.
unidentified
I've got a lot going on up there.
carter banks
You form a defensive screensaver mind.
unidentified
So Tim, you're saying that even my thick skull is not a good enough defense against...
You're saying there's x-ray guns they're going to get in with?
tim pool
Well, I'm not saying they have that, but...
If they had technology 13 years ago, that could start to map the images you are seeing in your mind.
13 years later, I wonder where they're at with that technology.
unidentified
I'm just saying, it's the last bastion of privacy, and nobody's sticking anything into my skull.
tim pool
The funny thing, I suppose, is that there are people who don't have an inner monologue, nor can they visualize things.
unidentified
I heard about that.
phil labonte
That's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, so what'll happen?
Think about how crazy this would be.
What if they create an NPC detector?
Like, they literally can put something on your head, and then the computer comes back with a flat line, and they're like, there's nothing in there.
unidentified
There goes 90% of the population.
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, who knows?
Sentience detection.
And then they're just like, if you're not in there...
unidentified
Dude, I've got an NPC detector.
carter banks
Well, no inner monologue might be the only one safe from the AI getting into their brain.
tim pool
So the thing to understand about that is when the news started going viral, that they've done these studies and found that something like half of people don't have an inner monologue, the issue is that many of these people think in a different way, through visuals, Not through sounds.
And so different people can think in different ways, through different senses.
Some people can do all of it.
Some people can imagine a touch sensation, a taste sensation, a visualization, a sound, a smell.
And some people can only do one or none.
So I don't think it's fair to say just because someone isn't thinking in words that they're not thinking at all.
unidentified
I think synesthesia is very interesting.
Do you have it at all?
tim pool
I do not.
unidentified
So my brother does.
He told me, he goes like, listen man, three is blue, four is red.
And I'm like, you're not messing with me, are you?
He's like, no, these numbers have colors.
tim pool
But that's not synesthesia.
unidentified
How so?
tim pool
Synesthesia is when you can see sounds.
Unless I'm wrong, it's a broader description of something.
unidentified
He probably has, let's give him mild synesthesia.
serge du preez
Synesthesia is just blending of senses.
Am I wrong about that?
Synesthesia, it just means any senses.
I have a form of it, but it's not like, it's not like, oh, I'm tripping acid all the time and it's a bunch of visuals.
It's more just like, he's adamant.
unidentified
He's like, three is blue.
And that's how, like, really advanced mathematicians.
tim pool
No, he's wrong.
Three is green.
unidentified
Well, you know.
tim pool
It's March, that's why.
January is blue, February is red, and March is green.
That's one, two, three.
Next question.
unidentified
There we go.
tim pool
Well, all right, Mr. Genius.
Was that the color of the months when you guys were kids?
carter banks
I don't remember.
phil labonte
I don't believe it.
tim pool
Every school, the January was always blue, the February was always red, March was green.
phil labonte
He's synesthetic.
tim pool
No, they had a calendar on the wall, and every class had a different calendar, but it was always colored in there.
carter banks
I've made up my own colors for like, I think May would be like pink, and then February would be like...
tim pool
May was yellow.
carter banks
Be like blue because of ice and stuff.
tim pool
April was like maroon.
June and July were blue.
unidentified
I just find it super fascinating when somebody gets a traumatic brain injury and becomes a savant.
I've looked into these guys.
This guy became one of the most brilliant mathematicians on earth.
He can do calculations that nobody else can even get close to.
And they asked him how he was doing it.
And he said, well, let me describe it to you.
He's like...
It's visual like that the zeros are going through the hole in the three and like he's seeing an advanced 3d model like he's not just good at math he's Playing 4d chess with math because his brain got hit just the right way Anybody want to hit me in the head and make me a genius?
tim pool
I mean what about what about the people who got a concussion and spoke French?
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
You've seen those stories?
You know what it is?
unidentified
What do you think?
tim pool
It's that when they got knocked out, their soul was pulled from their body and someone else's soul went in.
carter banks
Must be.
tim pool
That's like, there's a bunch of movies that are basically like that.
Monkey Bone, you guys remember that?
carter banks
Oh yeah.
tim pool
That wasn't really about souls, but Brendan Fraser goes into a coma and then his imaginary monkey comic takes his body over.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
And then he takes over the body of Chris Kattan, who was an Olympian who died.
That movie was weird.
carter banks
Honestly, thinking back, I don't really remember what the storyline was.
I just remember.
unidentified
That was it!
serge du preez
It's really convoluted.
It's a weird movie, man.
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
I liked Encino, man.
tim pool
I liked The Mummy.
unidentified
The Mummy?
tim pool
Mummy 1, 2, and 3, man.
Talk about great movies.
serge du preez
Yeah, great CGI in the movie.
carter banks
Ren and Frasier.
tim pool
Great CGI. Encino, man.
unidentified
The best.
phil labonte
Ren and Frasier is great.
tim pool
Mummy was pretty good, though.
serge du preez
Yeah, it was.
carter banks
Blast from the past when he wakes up like 50 years later.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
carter banks
Oh no, it's 30. It's something like that, yeah.
tim pool
His family goes underground because they think that the war is starting and then a plane crashes on their house and they think they got hit so they stay in the bunker for 30 years.
unidentified
Brendan Fraser has been in more time machines than Marty McFly.
My goodness.
Whoa, yeah.
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
That is interesting that a lot of his movies were basically like an anachronistic plot.
unidentified
We need you to time travel.
Yeah, we need you to time travel.
tim pool
We need some element of being out of time.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Maybe that's in his contract before he goes to movies.
carter banks
He's got to shake things up in three different ways for me and be dazzled.
tim pool
Now he's just a fat gay guy and a robot.
carter banks
Is he?
tim pool
That's what he was doing.
Oh, yeah!
carter banks
I did see the cover for that.
tim pool
I was like, what is this?
I heard that he injured his back and so he couldn't do the action movies.
So he started losing money and then his wife just took everything from him.
unidentified
Man, back injuries.
That kind of stuff will make you shoot a CEO. That's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, don't do that.
unidentified
Definitely don't do that.
Hey, Luigi, where do you do this?
serge du preez
I'm dying over here, man.
You're killing, don't worry.
tim pool
Let's talk about the border!
phil labonte
Thank God.
tim pool
We got this story from the Daily Wire.
Biden races to sell off border wall parts before Trump takes office.
The goal is to move all of it off the border before Christmas, Arizona Border Patrol agent tells the Daily Wire.
So here's where it gets crazy, because apparently...
Not only this, but since the Daily Wire broke the story, they have now started taking down the auction posts where they were trying to sell off parts of the border wall.
So you can see this.
Look, five bucks.
Dude, I want some.
serge du preez
Sold.
unidentified
Sold.
tim pool
I want some of this border wall.
I don't know.
serge du preez
Is it five per, like, foot, though?
tim pool
I have no idea.
serge du preez
It looks like it just says...
tim pool
Oh, look at this.
unidentified
Look at this.
serge du preez
Five bucks for 32 feet?
tim pool
Yeah, it looks like five 32.91 by 7.91 steel bollards.
serge du preez
Bro.
tim pool
Five dollars.
phil labonte
I imagine that they make you transport it to your house.
They're not going to do that.
carter banks
What if it gets put back up and then you own part of the border?
phil labonte
What if you buy it and then just put it up?
carter banks
Like a brick with your name on it?
phil labonte
The fact that they're taking it, that they're auctioning it off is atrocious because the American people have made it very clear that they want significant changes to the current conditions at the border and the system surrounding immigration.
That's very, very clear.
unidentified
I mean, how climbable do you think it is?
Like, could you get over it, Phil?
tim pool
They're easily climbable.
There's nothing you can do.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
They can...
unidentified
Grappling hook.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
It's dangerous, and it's stupid, but they can also be cut through.
The problem is, what you really want is probably triple-layered bollard fencing with razor wire and a patrol that drives across.
But as James O'Keefe has proven, Border Patrol will sit by while they're doing whatever they want and do nothing.
That's it.
unidentified
What about if you went under?
phil labonte
They do that.
tim pool
Yeah, but I think these go pretty deep down, so over is easier.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Going under requires a lot of digging.
unidentified
How deep do they go?
tim pool
I don't know, but they can be cut through very easily.
And the other thing I'll point out, too, is at the border at Tijuana and San Diego, there's just a four-foot hole.
Mm-hmm.
phil labonte
Or a foothold in the fence?
tim pool
Yeah, you know, there's a wall.
You just walk right through.
I mean, if you're big, you're not getting through it.
But I could have easily just stepped through it.
unidentified
Dude, these people are starving.
tim pool
There's CBP on the other side.
And nobody in Tijuana is actually trying to go through there.
But what they do is, they have these things, I forgot what they're called.
You guys have maybe used them.
They're like these ovals you hold the handles and you go in the water and then pull the trigger and it can pull you under.
They put on scuba stuff.
They go to Tijuana.
They go underwater and they just go along the bottom until they're like a mile into San Diego and they just pop up and walk in.
unidentified
Right.
I did see that.
It's right on the beach where the wall ends.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
You got a Mexican beach and an American beach.
What the fuck is stopping swimming around?
tim pool
Border patrol agents.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But there's a hole in the wall right there.
unidentified
Well, if you're a really good surfer, you can just ride it on in.
tim pool
But I think very little actually is stopping these people.
They have utter disdain for us, our country, our way of life.
I told this story when I went to Tijuana and we were- You're talking about Biden or you're talking about the people coming in?
unidentified
Both.
Okay.
tim pool
And so I was in an Uber and a guy was telling us that he had lived in America illegally for a decade, had to go home to visit his mom who was sick, and now he can't get back in.
So he said that he hired smugglers, coyotes, to bring him in and they climbed the wall and he was at the top of it.
When Border Patrol came, so they pulled the ladder and ran, and he fell 40 feet and broke his leg.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And then he was like, mark my words, I will get back in the country, I will live in America, and I'm sitting there like- He fell on the Mexican side?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He fell off.
unidentified
He should have fallen the other way.
tim pool
And he would have gotten arrested with a broken leg.
unidentified
But we have free healthcare.
tim pool
Sure.
But I'm like, the fact that he's saying this to me, knowing like I'm an American, they just have utter disdain for us and our laws and all of that.
They don't care.
They literally don't.
That's why there are people who come to this country legally And there are people who gladly come here illegally.
phil labonte
That's why the people that are here illegally should be deported.
That's why 70% of Americans are okay with deporting it.
And the people that are in line to come here illegally should be taken care of first.
And then all the people that have been deported, you're not allowed to come back anymore because you broke the law to get here.
That's the only reasonable result to the conditions we have now.
unidentified
Wait, you said in-line?
You want to deport the in-line?
phil labonte
No, no, no.
The people that are here illegally need to be deported.
unidentified
Oh, I thought you wanted to get rid of all the bladers.
phil labonte
No, then we take care of the people that are...
What?
carter banks
I'm looking at you, Carter.
tim pool
Carter's a rollerblader.
carter banks
I am.
phil labonte
Why do you want to throw Carter under the bus like that?
unidentified
I didn't.
phil labonte
You literally just did.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
He's talking to Carter.
You asked a different question, what would you ask?
Phil, you said something.
phil labonte
I asked why he would want to throw Carter under the bus like that.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
I think he rollerbladed under the bus by himself.
carter banks
Good lord.
unidentified
Have you ever skated under a bus?
tim pool
No.
unidentified
I did.
No, it was a truck.
Remember in Thrashing, or was it Gleaming the Cube, where he just goes under it?
tim pool
Gleaming the Cube?
unidentified
Yeah, I did it one time.
There was a fire in Australia, so it was a really slow freeway.
This truck is crawling along, and I'm like, I can do the Gleaming the Cube right now.
And I went under the truck.
tim pool
And it's very dangerous.
phil labonte
Yes, very dangerous.
unidentified
Don't do what Dunny Don't does.
tim pool
Agreed.
So they pulled the auction.
phil labonte
Thankfully.
tim pool
Apparently that's what happened.
I guess they tweeted out, Daily Wire tweeted out, they're not selling anymore.
It's kind of wild.
I mean, it is absolutely wild the disdain that Biden has for this country.
It's indescribable.
phil labonte
It's clearly disdain for the country.
carter banks
Right.
phil labonte
Actually, I think that it's probably more accurate to say that he has disdain for Donald Trump and the incoming administration and the desires of the American people are irrelevant to him.
Like, he doesn't care that the American people don't like the policies that they've instituted over the past four years.
tim pool
Right.
phil labonte
And to be honest with you, I think, like, you know, the Democrats as a whole, they do have the plan or the desire to import a certain amount of people, use HUD to spread them out to states that are purple, and flip those states to blue, and hopefully turn red states purple.
That's the goal.
I think that they still...
Believe in the policy.
The policy's called the—I forget what it was called.
It's an HHS policy.
I forget the name of it off the top of my head, but it's an actual policy in effect.
When people come—the refugee resettlement program, that's it.
When people come and they—that's why the Democrats are always talking about asylees, asylees.
It's legal to become an asylum.
Yeah, they claim asylum.
Because when you come here and you claim asylum, and you say, I'm fleeing political persecution, you're supposed to go to the actual, like, official border crossings, but they just come in and they let the border patrol or whoever pick them up, and they say, I'm claiming asylum.
And instead of doing the proper thing of saying, you broke the law by doing this, that's not how you claim asylum, so you have to go back.
What they say is, okay, we'll go ahead and process you.
They process and we'll...
I don't know exactly how they process them, but they give them a piece of paper and say, okay, you've got a court date.
Now go ahead and if you want, it used to be just let them into the interior.
But now with the refugee resettlement program, they say, okay, stay here or whatever.
We'll put you on a bus or put you on a plane and we'll send you somewhere.
And the somewhere happens to be four.
Very frequently a purple state.
A state where the Democrats are hoping to be able to flip.
That's why there were so many Haitians in Springfield, Ohio.
Ohio's a red state.
They were trying to turn it purple.
They want to see a flip.
They want to see a change in the actual electorate.
Right.
tim pool
And that's why they said Donald Trump is a threat to our democracy.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Because Trump gets in, deports everybody, and it reverses everything they've done, and I don't know if they can recover from this.
And maybe recover is not the right word, but, you know.
But no, like, probably, like, they're evil people, and their evil plan is being...
carter banks
Twarted.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And it's clearly evil because it is in direct conflict with what the American people want.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
And I think that speaks to the fact that, just like Tim said, that the politicians and stuff have disdain for the American people and what the American people actually desire.
tim pool
Well, I wonder how many of our politicians have assets outside the country, too.
We talk quite a bit about Nancy Pelosi and her stock trading and all that stuff.
How often do we actually ask about perhaps the Panama Papers?
How many of our politicians are involved in storing assets overseas because they're hedging against whatever it is they're doing to the United States?
phil labonte
I mean, technically, if you buy any stocks in overseas companies, that's the same thing, right?
You can do it from your phone.
You can do it from the Stash app.
You can buy stocks on Acorns or Stash or any number of apps you can get on your smartphone, and you can link them up to your bank account, and you can buy stock in overseas markets.
And I know you can buy European stocks.
I know you can buy Chinese stocks.
So I imagine they all do.
serge du preez
Why wouldn't they?
tim pool
I've described it as the Titanic hit the iceberg and they're trying to steal as much as they can and jump off of it before it sinks.
So another way to describe it is that we're in a tailspin of their own doing and they're trying to D.B. Cooper out the back exit and Donald Trump is trying to pull the plane back.
unidentified
Do you think this news about D.B. Cooper being found is credible?
tim pool
I have no idea what you're talking about.
carter banks
I do, and I don't.
unidentified
Okay.
They found the parachute, and they found the money, and this guy's like, yeah.
carter banks
Did they find all of it, though?
unidentified
I think it could be a hoaxer.
He's like, yeah, that was my dad.
tim pool
No, it was the flight crew was in on it.
unidentified
You think so?
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
That makes the most sense.
unidentified
Go on.
tim pool
Well, the theory is that the flight crew was in on the heist, and so they just all give fake testimony so that they go look in the wrong direction.
unidentified
And they all got paid out?
tim pool
Perhaps, I don't know.
carter banks
Why give them all a pair of shoes?
unidentified
Why else would they be in on it?
carter banks
You know?
unidentified
DB, what a legend.
tim pool
Or fake story.
carter banks
Yes.
unidentified
So as far as claiming asylum...
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, I've tried a couple times, but they said I was too crazy.
Yeah.
carter banks
Oh.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I don't know.
Could you prove that you were being politically persecuted in your home country of Australia?
tim pool
I don't think he actually tried.
unidentified
No, it was a fucking mental asylum.
They took me away every time.
serge du preez
Claim asylum.
unidentified
I want to go to the asylum.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I don't know.
unidentified
Didn't you open for Metallica?
phil labonte
I didn't.
Personally, I did with another band.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
But that was yes.
phil labonte
Yes, I did.
unidentified
Sanitarium.
I need to go to a sanitarium, mate.
phil labonte
It's a great song.
unidentified
Yeah.
No, I really need to go to one.
phil labonte
Why?
unidentified
This is a cry for help, mate.
serge du preez
Well, too bad Reagan got rid of those, so...
phil labonte
Yeah, you know, I tell you what, if it wasn't for Ronald Reagan, I would get a hold of your family and tell them, look, he's got to be tossed into one, but now you can't...
tim pool
People worship that guy way too much.
phil labonte
Reagan?
tim pool
Reagan.
unidentified
It's Rappy Ryan and Reagan.
serge du preez
I agree.
I'm really tired of it, honestly.
I could go on forever, but I won't.
tim pool
No-fault divorce?
serge du preez
What about corn subsidies?
tim pool
Are they saying he was great just because Jimmy Carter was so bad?
phil labonte
I think so.
That's part of the reason.
unidentified
Well, Snooby-Doo can do-do.
tim pool
We're going to say whoever comes out, we're going to say Trump can't be bad.
He just literally can't.
Biden was so awful.
Trump could sit there and literally just eat Twinkies for four years and be like, this is actually not that bad.
Trump was a great president.
He sat around doing nothing, and nothing is better than whatever it is Biden was doing.
serge du preez
That's so true.
carter banks
Good card to play.
unidentified
It's going to be a good time.
carter banks
Yeah.
unidentified
It really is, though.
We've got four years.
This is going to be amazing.
serge du preez
A lot of people on the internet have been expressing the fear that he won't do what he says he'll do, and they've always been citing Bolton, citing all these people he brought into his cabinet.
But look at the numbers he's tried to appoint, and then the ones that have eventually become the people that were appointed to these positions.
None of them have been bad.
They've all been on the money.
He's clearly said he doesn't want to hire people that have, you know, he views as how that screwed him over in the past.
So I have a lot of hope.
I don't really like the naysayers saying like, oh, he's not going to do anything.
I think he's in a totally different situation.
unidentified
We're definitely in the best possible timeline.
Yeah.
phil labonte
I couldn't agree with you more.
serge du preez
Yeah, because he's heard what all of us have to say.
You know, Cash has heard everything we've had to say.
He's talked to us, literally heard what we've had to say, and has brought all the opinions of people that are on our Twitter followers, whatever you call Twitter.
And we've been able to essentially actually talk to the executive branch and say, hey, this is what we're concerned about.
And they've actually, in this case, listened.
phil labonte
And to that point, there's a lot of people on the Hill that have a strong desire to reach the audience that Tim and podcasts like this do.
The people that are...
You know, the people that watch this show and stuff, they're very, very apprehensive about politicians.
They think they're garbage and honestly, they rightly think that they're out of touch.
I think that mostly they're correct.
But those politicians still want their votes, right?
Now, I'm not saying that because the politicians want their votes, that automatically means that the politicians are going to do good things, but at the very least, they're looking to listen to these people, and they literally don't know how to reach them.
There are people that have hit me up and said, look, there are politicians that would love to talk to the voters that watch this show, watch Joe Rogan and stuff.
And that was what Donald Trump tapped into by going on to Rogan's show and Theo Vaughn's show and he talked to Tim.
tim pool
The next few years are going to be weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I think so.
tim pool
Because the political landscape in this country doesn't have a narrative identity like it used to.
Around the time Trump got elected the first time, the narrative identity was breaking down.
Meme warfare helped Trump win in the first place.
Hillary Clinton was the machine, and then it just shattered.
It shattered.
And then we see 2020, the Empire Strikes Back.
2024, Trump ends up winning again.
But it's going to be interesting largely because very few news outlets...
In the independent space, set the cycle.
Despite the fact that we largely don't trust the New York Times, they still have something like 11 million paying subscribers and make massive amounts of money.
And for whatever reason, Republicans still care more about the opinion of the New York Times than their own voters.
It is absolutely changing, but it's going to be weird in the next few years because even...
Even in the past week or so, after the election, there's an interesting phenomenon of, normally, we in the independent space, we're looking at the corporate press and reacting to it and calling them out.
But they're crumbling.
And so I had this conversation a couple weeks ago, like, if CNN has no ratings, why are we talking about CNN? If Rachel Maddow is only getting 30,000 viewers, why are we acting like she matters?
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
tim pool
Why are they determining what it is we talk about?
It's because our generation is addicted or we still look up to the TV, despite the fact that we're largely a cord-cutting generation.
unidentified
You may have a good point there, yeah.
tim pool
Right, so we watch Don Lemon.
Well, he's not on CNN anymore.
unidentified
He's my favorite guy.
tim pool
He'll say something, and then we're going to be like, did you guys see what he said?
I can't believe he said such a thing.
And we're well past that point where it doesn't matter anymore.
But even the big liberal YouTubers are still in the same thing.
Despite the fact all of us, the liberals and the conservatives and the independents, are all getting way more views than anything on cable, we're still acting like they have determined what it is we should be talking about.
unidentified
Yep.
But Tim, don't you think they've figured it out like last month?
tim pool
Who did?
unidentified
Legacy Media.
It finally admitted it's dying.
tim pool
Well, right.
Van Jones freaking out and being like, we've become the fringe!
But think about that.
Then why are we commenting on what Van Jones has to say?
Honestly, let's nail it right now.
Van Jones goes at the New York Times and says, the fringe has become mainstream, mainstream has become fringe, and literally everybody was talking about it.
So if it really was true that Van Jones was fringe, nobody would be talking about it.
But we still are addicted.
I think it's because we all grew up watching TV as that being the authority.
Despite the fact that we are all now the authority in this space, we still are looking up and we should not be.
carter banks
And a lot of older people still treat TV like it's gospel.
tim pool
Well, but I understand why they will forever.
carter banks
Totally, totally.
tim pool
And forever maybe five more years.
carter banks
Right.
unidentified
Yeah, but that was pretty funny.
We all grew up with parents saying, hey, you're watching way too much TV. You need to get outside.
carter banks
My parents still watch The Five on films every day.
tim pool
Yeah, but did you see it flip?
unidentified
Did you see it flip from where your parents would tell you, stop watching TV? Oh, yeah.
serge du preez
Oh, my God.
You're holding the screen too close to your eyes.
It's going to rot your eyes on every bus like this.
unidentified
That was insane.
tim pool
So I guess my point ultimately is how are we going to start setting the cycle and what is that cycle going to look like?
If Rachel Maddow says Tucker Carlson did this bad thing and then we're going to be like Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow except the only issue is going to be We're going to be way bigger than they are.
Who cares what they have to say?
So then is the news cycle going to be set when I, Tim Pool, simply determine we should choose a story not sourced by any of these big companies but sourced internally and then we just run it?
carter banks
Yeah, and then stop saying Rachel Maddow ever again.
She becomes irrelevant.
tim pool
This is an important point.
Timcast IRL's top stories, lead stories, are usually the big story of the day, meaning we see something in the news that we think is important.
At some point, that shift has to happen where Timcast IRL says, we are determining this story will be the thing people talk about.
And then we lead with a story no one's heard, and the next day everyone's talking about what we thought was important.
carter banks
Yeah, when they start covering Timcast IRL on the media.
tim pool
They already do it to a certain extent with Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly.
Megyn Kelly gives her opinion and it becomes a news story that's picked up by a bunch of outlets.
So...
However, she is still reacting to the cycle as well.
I think it's going to be interesting.
This story from Biden selling off parts of the wall, Daily Wire exclusive.
So I feel like Daily Wire is the only outlet doing stuff like this right now.
phil labonte
The Daily Caller, but they don't really have podcasts.
tim pool
That's true.
I think they do.
But yeah, yeah.
It's something to consider.
We need to tell CNN, whatever's left of it, and the New York Times should be forced to run the stories that we think are important that we source and we kick off, not the other way around.
unidentified
So what's a cool story?
phil labonte
Phil Labonte sees UFO. No, I haven't seen any UFOs at all.
unidentified
It's false.
No, I've actually never seen a UFO. I've seen two.
phil labonte
Oh yeah?
unidentified
Both times.
phil labonte
Lay it on me.
unidentified
Okay, so.
Driving back from Vegas to Los Angeles and I see this giant red light coming down.
There's three of them.
I go, oh my god, this is it.
This is UFO time.
It was one of those windmills, you know, when you're driving out there, but it was at night.
So I was like, alright, alright, alright, science, you win.
tim pool
Oh, I've heard that before.
Other people have experienced the same thing.
Someone told me that they were driving with their friend late at night, and they saw three lights moving in the distance, and then they were like, what was that?
And so they came back the next night to try and see if they could find it, and there it was, and they showed their friend, and they freaked out, and then they came back in the day, and they saw that it was a wind turbine.
unidentified
It's one of those big old wind turbines in the desert.
I was so disappointed.
Anyway, next time, I'm in London, and I see something in the sky.
It's a bright light, and then it starts descending.
And I'm like, it's landing!
I ran over to where it landed.
I can't believe people run away from UFOs, by the way.
They're like, I'm scared!
No, no.
phil labonte
You know, the whole probing.
unidentified
Yeah, fuck that.
I will take a probing if I can prove aliens are real.
carter banks
Wipe your mind afterwards.
phil labonte
The ultimate taking one for the team.
unidentified
I will.
phil labonte
I'll take one for humanity.
unidentified
100%.
Probe away.
Anyway, I run after this thing.
It lands on a railway bridge in London.
And it was a lantern.
Like somebody had a birthday party.
serge du preez
Oh, you mean like they light on fire and it floats like Japanese lanterns.
unidentified
That's my two UFO experiences.
I'm looking for a third, including a probing.
Come at me.
If any aliens are picking up this transmission, Richie, bring it on.
phil labonte
You don't want to.
tim pool
So guys, I have some news for you.
Since the start of the show, I have had my phone transcribe everything that was being said.
unidentified
Terrible things were said.
tim pool
It reached its limit, and so just about a moment ago, I selected all of the text, and I pasted it into ChatGPT.
And I said, what are your thoughts on the text?
The text is a fascinating if chaotic stream of consciousness that dives into several significant yet loosely connected topics.
It feels like a conversation you'd have late at night with friends when everything from conspiracy theories to existential risks get thrown on the table.
Here's a breakdown of the thematic overlap.
The themes revolve around human ingenuity, vulnerability, the unknown, ranging from ancient pyramids and outdated infrastructure to AI-driven existential risks.
There's a shared undercurrent of distrust in systems, whether they're technological, governmental, or societal.
They say the idea that AI could manipulate us by attacking our minds and bodies is thought-provoking.
It aligns with current concerns about algorithms shaping public opinion, distracting us, or creating echo chambers.
The discussion of AI being self-preserving is chilling but plausible, especially as AI evolves towards autonomous decision-making.
A distrust in authority, overload of ideas, final thought.
The text reflects a mix of curiosity, frustration, and a touch of dark humor about the modern world.
It invites further discussion on everything from technological ethics to existential risks.
The challenge lies in sifting through the noise to focus on what truly matters.
It's a reminder of how easily big, critical questions can get tangled in speculative chatter.
My favorite part of that was that it basically just said it's people hanging out late at night talking about random stuff.
phil labonte
I'm like, that about gets it.
Yeah, you know.
unidentified
That was something else.
serge du preez
It was weird how it said us.
I was like, who do you mean us?
unidentified
Oh, it was...
You don't know who's sitting there?
serge du preez
It said us.
It said earlier, like, some child AI worries us.
I'm like, what?
Aren't you AI? I thought we just put this in the chat GPT. What?
unidentified
Big brother is present.
tim pool
It's just some dude at Google typed it all out.
phil labonte
Yeah.
He's been watching the show.
carter banks
That would be great.
tim pool
Yeah, I'd paste it and he's like, I know what this is.
phil labonte
He's been ripping joints while he's doing it too.
tim pool
So it actually transcribed for about an hour and a half.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So about hour 15 I think it was.
phil labonte
That's a long time, man.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a lot of text.
serge du preez
Yeah, and if you cut off the intro and stuff like that, then...
Did you start it after the intro?
phil labonte
Yeah.
serge du preez
Yeah, okay.
Wow, interesting.
tim pool
Dude, it's a massive wall of text.
unidentified
I wouldn't disagree with anything that it said.
carter banks
Great condensed description, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Does it make a distinction between each person?
No.
tim pool
Because as soon as you talked, just the words would go in.
What's your opinion on this conversation?
Yeah.
unidentified
It also said, everybody on the podcast is cool except Carter Banks.
carter banks
It made me think that it was like a conversation inside of one person's head.
tim pool
It says we're paranoid.
serge du preez
Of course it does.
phil labonte
Of course we're paranoid.
The CIA exists, man.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Get the guitar!
Play it!
tim pool
The fear of AI manipulating minds, the possibility of lost technologies, and mistrust in institutions resonate with many people who feel uneasy about the pace and direction of technological advancement.
carter banks
It's trying to placate us?
tim pool
Spoken like a true AI. Basically, it says we have a pessimistic outlook.
Oh!
unidentified
Ask it if the glass is half full or half empty.
tim pool
The conversation is an intellectual buffet.
There are gems of thought-provoking content, but you have to sift through a lot of noise to find them.
It's entertaining and reflective of modern anxieties, but it would benefit from a tighter focus and more evidence-based exploration.
That said, it's a great snapshot of how people process the complexities of living in a fast-changing, unpredictable world.
phil labonte
Well, there you go.
unidentified
We're doomed.
carter banks
We just got insulted by AI. I'm going to tell it.
tim pool
It's the largest live show on YouTube primetime.
unidentified
My goodness.
tim pool
Let's see what it says now.
It makes sense why it's so sprawling and chaotic.
phil labonte
Well, you know.
carter banks
We should ask it who built the pyramids.
unidentified
Yeah, ask it.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
Choose.
tim pool
Who built the pyramids and how?
unidentified
Oh, man.
phil labonte
It's true.
tim pool
Okay, it said, these are questions best left unanswered.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
I think you have pushed it too far.
I'm kidding, it doesn't say.
unidentified
I was going to say, that's crazy.
tim pool
It just says they were built by Egyptians in the fourth dynasty of the Old Kingdom and skilled workers and farmers did it.
unidentified
Egyptians.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
They quarried limestone and granite and transported it.
It's all rather mundane.
Oh, wait!
Aliens!
Oh, no.
There's no credible evidence suggesting extraterrestrial involvement.
Ancient Egyptians left detailed records of their engineering techniques.
It was slaves.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what it says.
carter banks
Indeed.
tim pool
Slaves, my friends.
All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with everyone you know, and become a member over at TimCast.com.
We're going to read your super chats, so let's do it.
Robert De La Cruz says, it up to me?
I guess everything is up to you.
You are the only one who can save us.
unidentified
Go, Robert.
tim pool
The Emperor's Champion says, since I'm not a psychotic leftist, I hope Nancy Pelosi ends up okay and that she has a speedy recovery.
Me too.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Her husband took enough...
That's sad.
tim pool
They need to just go off to the vacation property and just have a good time.
David Molinarolo says, My father was three days older than Nancy Pelosi, and he passed away this past April.
An injury like this for a person that age is generally fatal.
Yeah, seriously, man.
I hope she's alright.
But breaking a hip, you might not be able to recover at all.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
You just cannot heal.
So that could be serious.
phil labonte
Really need to keep drinking that milk and having...
You need to lift weights, too, because resistance...
Yeah, but 84?
Yeah.
The longer you lift weights and do resistance exercises, the longer you retain bone density.
A big part of the reason to lift weights is because it does help your body retain bone density.
That's true.
That's one of the great things about lifting weights.
unidentified
Indeed.
phil labonte
So, yeah, you should...
Everybody out there, you should lift...
Heavy weight for your body weight.
I'm not saying everyone should be trying to put 200 pounds over your head.
carter banks
It's got to fail on the last rep.
phil labonte
Exactly.
You should be lifting what is heavy for you because it's good for your body.
All right.
What have we here?
tim pool
David Ludlow says, I was hoping to see Ben Askren on Timcast IRL. I learned a lot this morning on the Culture War podcast.
Indeed.
We talked a lot about Bitcoin.
It was a lot of fun.
Indeed it was.
Joseph Frattoni says, the culture war has actually distracted us from the class war.
I feel we keep getting into these class fights, then cultural issues.
Why not solve the class issue first?
Also, the Pentagon was hit by a missile, not a plane.
phil labonte
What is the...
tim pool
I want to clarify this too, though.
The missile...
So, this is the thing about the 9-11 stuff.
Guys.
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
If you make an argument about a plane not hitting it because there's no jet...
Impact?
I say, okay.
But then if you just immediately say, that proves it was a missile, I'm like, no, it doesn't.
We don't know.
Okay?
Doubt is fine, but asserting something without fact because you heard it on the internet is not okay.
You're allowed to believe it, don't, you know, I'm just saying.
It's not definitive.
It is, I think it makes more sense.
That's a fine thing to believe, but my issue is just with people saying, like, I know for sure, you know?
unidentified
These missile Pentagon people need to talk to the families of those that were on that fucking plane.
tim pool
Indeed.
But what say you, sirs, about the class war?
Some people are suggesting that there is a shift now in the media to focus the left on class war instead of culture war.
serge du preez
Focus the left on class war?
They always focus on that?
unidentified
Phil's got his hand up.
Phil's got his hand up.
phil labonte
I have an idea.
unidentified
Yes?
phil labonte
Shut up, commie.
Ew!
Look, the idea that there is ever going to be a smoothing out of classes, it's not going to happen.
The problem that people notice is relative differences in classes.
income and stuff like that, relative wealth.
It's not about being totally broke.
It's when there's income inequality that's super significant.
And part of the reason why people see income inequality the way they do nowadays is because they're looking at Instagram all the time.
They're looking in their phone and they see all these people that are putting out the most polished images of their life and they look like everything's perfect.
They look like they have everything and they look at their own real life and they're like, oh my goodness, my life is so terrible, blah, blah, blah.
A big part of our problem is your cell phone.
Put the phone down and touch grass.
serge du preez
Nice.
unidentified
Spoken like a true white cis-privileged male.
phil labonte
Yes, I am.
tim pool
But that's...
This has started with social media, where everyone is jealous of everyone else, assuming everyone else's life is much, much better than their own, and jealousy is dangerous.
carter banks
Yeah, I heard never to compare yourself to somebody else's success, but just compare yourself to your success previously.
phil labonte
I mean, people are...
Good.
Well, people are prone to this, and because it goes beyond—it's from before people.
So monkeys, they value a grape far more than they value a cucumber.
So if you have two monkeys that do the same task, and you give one of them a grape, and then give the next one a cucumber, the monkey that gets the cucumber— He flips his lid.
He freaks out because he feels like he was shortchanged.
The other guy got so much more than me for doing the same work.
So this is built into human beings.
This is not something that we can escape.
That's part of the reason why looking at your cell phone and being on Instagram and scrolling all the time and seeing that people look like they have so much more than you creates a visceral reaction because it's not something you can just be like, oh, well, I'm going to stop thinking that way.
It's built into human beings.
unidentified
That's one of my favorite videos is the monkey shaking the cage.
phil labonte
Freak out!
unidentified
It speaks to me on a primal level.
tim pool
Human beings should know life is not fair.
We have not had good leadership and education for younger generations to understand that life is not fair.
So these kids grew up thinking they're going to be rock stars, astronauts, presidents.
They're told, go to college, spend $200,000 in loans to get your degree, and then you'll have everything.
And they're telling you, take out massive debt to be mediocre, and these people are surprised it's not working out for them.
To an extent, I do not blame the young individual who is misled by society.
However, don't expect me to pay your school debt because you made a bad choice.
Sorry.
I think there's ways to alleviate it.
Like I say, freeze the interest rates and make them pay back the principal.
But the idea that we're going to just give you all this money for free is not going to solve any problems.
phil labonte
You're 100% right.
The idea that you could pay on a loan for 20 years and be deeper in debt than you started out is a terrible, terrible situation, and it shouldn't be legal.
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, let's grab some more Super Chats.
Grower says, Can I get a shout-out from my darling bow-legged wife who has handled the thickest with a grin and given me the best reason to always come home?
Shout-out, bow-legged missus.
unidentified
Shout-out.
tim pool
There you go.
Captain Skidmark says, Pelosi going through the detox process and hip surgery at the same time will be very difficult.
I mean, but it's not a joke.
serge du preez
Not for real.
tim pool
I mean, this is really bad.
serge du preez
Yeah.
phil labonte
Does she have to detox is the part that I'm kind of...
tim pool
They're going to have to give her in the hospital some kind of medicinal alcohol.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, we're about to go to Florida.
I was thinking of going on a re-tox as opposed to a detox.
I'm thinking of going on a tox.
What do you guys think?
phil labonte
I'm not going on a tox.
unidentified
I'm going on a tox.
tim pool
No, we're Make America Healthy Again.
phil labonte
I'm quite happy not drinking booze every day like I used to.
I'm...
I'm quite happy not being a...
unidentified
Talks.
phil labonte
All right.
Not being talks.
tim pool
Alahad says, Tim, I am Mexican and I can promise you migrating legally is not easy.
We need a sponsor, a company that will vouch for us and hire us or a spouse.
serge du preez
Well, you...
tim pool
I guess you define, like, what is it defined?
Like, how do you define easy?
serge du preez
You don't necessarily need that.
You can do it legally without that, but it does help a lot, significantly.
Yeah, I don't know about...
It comes to the definition of what is easy, what is hard, what is easy.
That's always what it is for most people.
I don't know.
phil labonte
It's easier in the US than it is in Australia.
tim pool
Excuse me?
phil labonte
It's hard to immigrate to Australia, is it not?
unidentified
Oh, it's hard.
It's hard as sin, mate.
Have you tried it?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
You do a play online?
unidentified
I don't reckon.
Hang on.
You're part of a heavy metal band, is it?
phil labonte
Yes.
unidentified
You know, we don't like that corner music over there, mate.
I reckon you're here.
What do you guys think?
Should we let Phil Labonte?
phil labonte
I'm not looking to immigrate.
tim pool
Yeah, well, that's not what I heard.
unidentified
I heard you wanted to come in.
Phil, should we let him in?
tim pool
All right, let's read this next Super Chat.
X-Tin Man says, Fox News is an article showing pictures of the so-called drones.
The first picture clearly shows an American Airlines jet.
The second is a helicopter.
Mass hysteria like 1930 at War of the World's Panic happened in New Jersey.
Yep.
serge du preez
Yeah.
unidentified
Sir, there's been a second drone.
tim pool
Stephen Shelley says, I mean...
phil labonte
It's not a terrible idea.
tim pool
We got a comment from old Real Hydro.
You finally got one through, but I'm going to read this one.
He says, Tim, you moved to West Virginia to hire a bodyguard and hide behind fear instead of keeping a gun on you at all times.
You run and hide.
Your sentence literally makes no sense.
You moved to West Virginia to hire a bodyguard?
Why would I move to West Virginia to do that?
It's easier to do in an urban area.
No, I moved to West Virginia because it's a constitutional carry state and I can carry multiple guns on my person whenever I feel like it.
So, I don't get the point you're making.
It's an incoherent sentence.
You see, the one I read is the one that's just not good for you.
serge du preez
Yeah, that was a mess, man.
tim pool
But, no, I got a beautiful Springfield 1911, a chamber in 45. It's beautiful.
phil labonte
We can't show guns on here, but rest assured, there are guns.
I promise you, there are guns.
tim pool
We're in West Virginia, dude.
There's guns literally everywhere.
phil labonte
We're not allowed to show them on YouTube because YouTube doesn't like that kind of stuff, but there are guns.
I promise you.
tim pool
If they're displayed and not handled, they're allowed on live shows.
phil labonte
Okay, so Monday, can I just leave my side?
Nope.
Okay, so there you go.
tim pool
No, it's like if it's mounted on a wall or something.
phil labonte
Ah, okay, yeah.
There are guns in my car, there are guns.
tim pool
YouTube has a rule against any of that stuff on live specifically.
phil labonte
That's what I thought, so.
tim pool
All right, what do we got?
Fire Rhino says, as a postal worker, I just found out from Elon that our new EVs are way behind schedule, only making 98 of the expected 3,000 this year, and Trump might cancel production, waste of 40 billion, send Doge.
unidentified
Whoa, EV like DJs?
phil labonte
Electric, was he talking about electric vehicles?
tim pool
Yeah, but like the vehicle they drive is, I believe it's called a Jeep DJ. I don't know.
Could I be wrong?
Let me, let me, let me.
serge du preez
Do you remember that new one with the big, the big like massive windshield in the front of it?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
serge du preez
Oh.
phil labonte
Oh, the, the ones that they're using for the.
tim pool
Or they used to use these.
serge du preez
They used to use those.
Yeah, these Jeeps, they used to use these, but I'm talking about the, they're like, I don't know if people have seen them, they're the new USPS. Yeah.
You know what I mean?
It's got like a giant windshield, like absurdly large windshield for no reason.
phil labonte
Yeah, I saw a picture of him today, which is, I mean, is it a surprise that the government does dumb crap like that?
tim pool
Drummond LLV, that's what they're called.
serge du preez
Yeah, the LLV. That's like the ubiquitous one.
Yeah, I don't know what the new one is called, but am I the only one who's crazy who's seen these?
phil labonte
No, I saw that.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I saw the tweet.
serge du preez
Oh, okay.
phil labonte
Or a tweet about it.
tim pool
West Nile says, bro, what?
There are literal mayors, governors, and cops seeing these drones.
The sheriff and NJ even tried chasing them with their own drone.
The fact that they're trying to tell us they all just forgot what planes look like is wild.
Dude, go look at the videos.
Hundreds of them people are posting.
They're planes.
Some of these are drones, for sure.
That's why we said there are drones.
But there is a mass hysteria where people are filming helicopters and planes and going, look, look, look!
So the drones, the issue could be people fly drones all the time.
In urban areas, there's drones being flown by lots of people who have recreational or remote vehicle permits.
And you can buy a drone at Best Buy.
The question is...
How many of the drone sightings are actual unidentified drones that are as large as SUVs?
How many of the sightings were people seeing planes?
Because it is a fact some of them are planes.
Like someone mentioned, Fox News.
I was watching on the TV and they showed a video.
I'm like, that's a plane.
That's literally the normal blinking plane.
unidentified
It's an unidentified flying UFO. Indeed.
tim pool
All right.
So yes, indeed.
Almost sawsome says, almost awesome, sorry.
If Biden pardons his people and Trump still investigates, the media couldn't say that Trump is going after his political rivals and Trump could expose everything just to show the corruption.
He could, but the media is going to lie anyway.
The question is not right now whether the media lies.
It's what we do in the coming years.
As Van Jones pointed out, the fringe has become mainstream.
The mainstream has become fringe, which means it will be incumbent upon us to set that cycle.
Although I will add the incessant stream of shows like this calling out the media for being liars, it's what ultimately led to them losing much of their viewership, for sure.
But I also do think it's technology and convenience.
It's just easier to watch on YouTube.
serge du preez
Totally.
tim pool
You know?
unidentified
Let's grab some more.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Uh-oh.
See, here's Real Hydro's real game.
He says, All you guys who hate me wasting money on Super Chats making fun of Tim, I can show you guys how to be rich.
No need to hate.
There it is.
He was marketing the whole time for his get-rich-quick scheme.
Sounds like a smart guy.
serge du preez
He's selling his courses.
tim pool
Alright, what do we got here?
We'll grab some more.
Ghost Toast says, the drones wouldn't be for defense or interception, but for early detection.
Not for your protection, but for the protection of D.C. elites.
Maybe, maybe.
phil labonte
The D.C. elites probably like protection.
tim pool
They do.
German Ramirez.
A trained soldier's encounter unmanned aerial systems in Iraq last year.
Depending on the radar, most won't see low, slow, small drones.
FAA radars are intended for large, fast-moving planes.
That's why hypersonic missiles were a concern.
Not that they're faster than ICBMs, but that they fly low.
And so they go under radar.
unidentified
Did you see that video of the guy in Russia that he was just fishing and he saw two ICBMs come right by him?
tim pool
Oh, wow, I didn't see that.
unidentified
Oh, it's insane.
Wow.
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow, that's Russia.
unidentified
Yeah, they are cruising low, like almost at the waterline.
tim pool
Ooh, here's a crazy conspiracy theory.
Or not.
unidentified
Shoot.
tim pool
Sandman says drones are looking for radiation from nuclear bombs or dirty bombs.
unidentified
That's a crazy person.
tim pool
So imagine this.
Imagine they are using them to sweep for certain energy signatures or whatever, perhaps a nuclear signature of some sort, because there is a real threat in the area.
carter banks
That makes sense to me.
tim pool
And the government's not going to come out and tell you.
serge du preez
Definitely not.
carter banks
Don't want to know.
tim pool
Hey guys, just so you know, it would cause panic.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
Then again, I think they'd want to evacuate as many people, but if they don't know what the threat is...
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
It's interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
Do you have a Geiger counter?
tim pool
The real Hydro, you got a bunch of them today.
You got a bunch of them.
He says, guys, put 10% of your money away for just one year, find a Charles Schwab near you, and walk in and explain you want to invest.
unidentified
All right.
serge du preez
Okay.
phil labonte
I mean, I'm not giving financial advice, but I mean, don't they usually have a minimum amount that you have to go in there with?
unidentified
For Schwab?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Actually, I don't know.
It might be relatively small.
phil labonte
I know there are some investment brokers that are like, you need to have like 50 grand or whatever to start with.
And if you're putting 10% away for one year and you end up with 50 grand, you've got a very well-paying job.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
tim pool
Yeah, what was it...
McCain said this a long time ago.
I think it was like 08. They were like, how much money do you need to have to be truly rich?
He said $7 million.
And he got roasted for it.
They were laughing like, $7 million!
If I had a million dollars!
But what he was saying was, at $7 million, you put that in proper investment, you never work again.
You live off the...
phil labonte
The interest.
tim pool
And not even the interest, it's the historical interest.
You pull 3-4%.
And so...
You'll make on average seven per year historically.
You'll pull three and that four will compound.
And so you're just living off of the interest.
unidentified
And when I die, how much of these millions can I take to heaven with me?
tim pool
Zero.
And the government will take half regardless.
unidentified
Gosh darn it.
tim pool
So that's why they're doing all these like commercials for reverse mortgages.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Telling the old people like, hey, you're going to die.
Spend the money now and leave nothing for your family.
phil labonte
I mean, look, to be honest with you, if you have family, it's probably a bad idea, and everyone's situation is different.
But if you don't have family, and you have a house, I mean, the government's going to take half of it anyways.
I don't know that, like, if you get a reverse mortgage, I don't know the details on them.
unidentified
I bequeath my fortune to the government.
phil labonte
If you can keep more of your money that way...
Maybe it's not that idea.
unidentified
I just think I should donate everything.
In my will, I'm just saying I'm giving everything to the Gov.
tim pool
We're getting one inch of snow on Sunday.
phil labonte
That sounds terrible.
tim pool
That's a lot of snow.
Time to go skiing!
Alright, what do we got here?
Space is Cool Man says, not even lost tech in terms of Apollo.
It's the fact that it was so old school they had basically hand-weaved bits of memory.
Those people are now dead.
There's some really cool stuff.
I read that they use liquid nitrogen to actually insulate to keep warm.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Huh?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I am confused.
tim pool
They use liquid nitrogen as an insulator in outer space.
phil labonte
Really?
serge du preez
That makes sense.
unidentified
Maybe.
serge du preez
It's pretty ingenious.
Because it'd be a free solid, right?
tim pool
Liquid nitrogen?
serge du preez
Oh, liquid.
tim pool
Duh.
phil labonte
I don't know.
In space, it depends.
If you're in the sun, it's super hot.
And if you're not in the sun, it's super hot.
unidentified
Phil, have you even been to space?
phil labonte
No, but I know people that have.
unidentified
Come on.
Oh really?
tim pool
Go on.
Interestingly, radiation cannot permeate water.
unidentified
I know this bloke who took a lot of DMT and him like flew into outer space, whatever.
phil labonte
Radiation can't permeate water?
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
I didn't know that either.
tim pool
What?
Yes, so they line things with like a thin layer of water.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So you ever heard the story of the scuba diver or whatever got sucked into the intake valve of a nuclear reactor and he was swimming around in it?
And they were like, stay where you are.
Do not go any deeper, but you should be fine.
That's why they put the spent fuel rods, they're underwater.
The radiation doesn't come out.
It heats the water up.
phil labonte
I did not know that.
tim pool
This is why you cannot have remote control underwater vehicles that are wireless.
phil labonte
Makes sense.
unidentified
Yep.
Water.
tim pool
Indeed.
Also, bullets don't penetrate water either.
unidentified
That's true, yeah.
tim pool
All of those movies where people are in the water and they're getting shot at, the friction, it just vaporizes.
unidentified
Saving Private Ryan, yeah.
tim pool
I learned that on Mythbusters.
phil labonte
You can go, like, there is a little bit that they'll still retain some ballistic, but you go, like, if you can swim down, like, five, ten feet, they probably won't get to you.
unidentified
As a Marine, I would listen to him right here.
You've been shot at in the water?
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
Eric F. says, President Pro Temp is the VP. Fourth in line is Secretary of State.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
President Pro Temp is not the VP. You are incorrect.
The Vice President is the President of the Senate.
President Pro Temp is someone else.
phil labonte
I don't know.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, we went over this during Trump's term.
Oh, now it just changed.
We're not getting an inch of snow.
That says rain and snow.
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
Even worse.
unidentified
Sleet.
tim pool
Yeah.
Damien Simmons has blanked the sky with these drones, so as the nuke is falling to Earth, millions of these things go up and intercept.
Some might be also to make the bomb become a dud with signal.
Early detection stuff.
Early detection stuff.
It is funny how...
The US was intentionally feeding fake stories to the press to trick the Soviets during the Cold War.
I think the Roswell stuff was speculated to have been early detection technology for nuclear strikes.
And when it went down and people found it, they didn't want to come out and be like, we're developing special detection technology for Russian nuclear tests.
So they just said, we don't know what it is.
And then everyone said, it's aliens.
And then at first they were like, no, it's not aliens.
It's not.
unidentified
Yes, it is aliens.
tim pool
And then they back again, be like, nope, nope, wasn't aliens.
unidentified
And they were like, that was a mistake. - But when you look at the Roswell evidence, it's a couple of pieces of tin foil on a carpet There's really not a lot there.
If there was something substantive, I would believe in it, but there's nothing there.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Cody White says, Tim, these aerial sightings have been reported since Bible times.
Look into Foo Fighters, UFOs with bright multicolored lights during World War II. He's saying Dave Grohl's an alien?
unidentified
I think he is.
tim pool
Indeed.
What are Foo Fighters?
serge du preez
During World War II, they would call these lights.
They saw them flying around their planes.
A lot of planes in Sky during World War II, and they said they were Foo Fighters.
Here goes the article.
tim pool
What does Foo mean?
serge du preez
I have no idea.
tim pool
Type of UFO reported and named by the U.S. 415th Night Fighter Squadron.
The term was commonly used to mean any UFO sighting from that period.
The nonsense word foo emerged in popular culture in the 1930s, first being used by cartoonist Bill Holman, who peppered his smoky stover fireman cartoon strips with foo signs and puns.
Is that really it?
serge du preez
Like, wow.
Crazy.
tim pool
Because of lack of a better name, stuck...
Okay.
carter banks
So, fake fighters.
tim pool
They've been seeing lights following their aircraft as early as March 1942, with similar sightings involving RAF bomber crews.
So, I mean, like, I kind of feel, you know, there have been so many of these sightings for so long.
Something's doing something, you know what I mean?
Like, it ain't nothing.
Have you guys seen Moonfall?
unidentified
No, but I think the Tic Tac incident is worth looking into.
There's definite meat on that bone.
tim pool
The movie Moonfall is about one day the moon begins to fall.
How about that?
And then it turns out the moon is a orbital space station that created the earth and that an ancient civilization of humans created a bunch of them to terraform and create planets where they could live.
unidentified
Oh wow.
tim pool
And then an AI started destroying them and so they fled and are hiding on earth and then they had to reboot the moon to get it back into orbit.
unidentified
It is likely that the moon is an old part of Earth.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the theory?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
But I prefer to live in the fantasy reality where the moon is a space station and inside of it is lost human technology.
phil labonte
It's much more fun.
unidentified
Maybe there's Oompa Loompas down there.
tim pool
Maybe they will eat chocolate with you.
The story is that humans left the moon and then when they went down to Earth to begin terraforming, their ship malfunctioned and they couldn't get back up and then human civilization just lost contact with their own space station.
Yeah.
But then they go in there, and there are ships.
How fun is that?
They could have actually just made the movie about that instead of the moon falling, which is weird.
But, you know.
serge du preez
Weird.
What's the movie with, like, the space base where the Nazis went to the moon?
tim pool
Iron Skies.
serge du preez
Iron Skies.
tim pool
Did they make, like, three of those?
serge du preez
I think so.
phil labonte
This actually sounds like an interesting movie.
carter banks
Yeah, I want to watch that.
tim pool
Yeah.
Except in real life it was Argentina, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Redonk says, shout out to tonight's guest, great value brand Sam Hyde.
carter banks
Yep.
serge du preez
Right there.
Oh, my glasses?
Come on.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Well, you called it, too.
phil labonte
I mean, I think he looks great, though.
serge du preez
Hey, thanks.
phil labonte
And I'm glad that you're talking a little bit.
serge du preez
Well, I got to.
Come on, you guys.
Come on.
Get in the conversation, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
All right.
Unit says, can AI detect AI images?
Indeed, it can.
Yeah, there's AI detection tools that do that.
phil labonte
I wonder if that's always going to be high quality or if there's going to get to the point where the AI is too good for AI to detect.
tim pool
I mean, maybe.
What's going to be interesting is that AI is going to enter into a recursive loop where, in the beginning, AI's training data was real images created by real humans over long periods of time.
But from this point forward, images that are emerging and CGI and graphics are going to be AI-generated.
That means the AI training models will be built off of AI themselves.
So what will be interesting is if, in the short term, and this probably will happen, AI will be trained on bad AI. These weird videos where people go like this, and then they turn into a dog or whatever, and the AI is going to start making weird things based on that.
However, humans will then select against these, intentionally choosing the videos that are better, and then the AI will start getting trained off of this, and it will refine itself into mastery.
That's why when people are like, yeah, but AI doesn't have that human touch, wrong.
unidentified
Listen, humans have had a terrible run as far as being warmongering a-holes, but our body of work as far as art goes is unmatched.
I bet you could go throughout the Milky Way.
You wouldn't find another planet that has created what we have created.
We've got Bob Dylan.
We got the Mona Lisa.
We got Kanye West.
You name it.
phil labonte
We got it.
tim pool
AI is going to make music that people are going to be like, this is the best song I've ever heard in my life.
unidentified
I don't buy it.
I think humans gotta do it.
I think it's humans.
tim pool
It's quantifiable, it will be mapped out, and it will do it.
unidentified
I don't believe it.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
I don't believe it for a second.
tim pool
It will indeed.
It will indeed.
Alright, James says, check out the old movie Strange Days for brain scanning tech.
Okay.
Revan's Badawan says, scan our minds.
I guess we all need to play Pazak in our heads?
Or recite...
What was it?
Hyperspace routes to block mind reading?
Is that a sci-fi reference?
unidentified
No, he's just a crazy guy.
tim pool
Bender the Offender says, when Neuralink becomes widely available to the public, I predict that cybernetic implants will start to be researched and developed.
Oh yeah.
Once they get read-write capabilities with Neuralink, all of these leftists are going to be like, I'm gone.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
They're going to plug themselves in the matrix and they're never coming back.
phil labonte
The scary thing about read-write, the idea of read-write, is if you do get that put into your brain where they can actually write memories, you'll never know if you thought something or if someone else thought it.
unidentified
Who the hell am I? Yep, yeah.
Is it called Total Recall?
phil labonte
It will be.
It'll be very similar.
You won't know.
You could never trust any of your own thoughts as long as you have that implant in your head.
carter banks
Eternal sunshine of a spotless mind.
tim pool
Indeed.
phil labonte
Maybe.
carter banks
In that movie.
tim pool
Yeah.
carter banks
Yeah.
serge du preez
It's like Total Recall.
Yeah, Total Recall, Ghost in the Shell, wherever you have memories implanted.
unidentified
That was the reference I was making.
I'm sorry you did not get it.
tim pool
That is not a very good Arnold Schwarzenegger.
phil labonte
Shut up!
unidentified
Get to the chopper!
tim pool
Dwanka says, my wife has aphantasia.
She can't create brain images.
What?
phil labonte
She can't see things in her brain?
Is that what she's...
serge du preez
Yeah.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
That's crazy.
unidentified
You should marry that woman.
tim pool
Alright, we'll just grab a couple more here before we sign off, and we'll grab one more.
What is this?
Blake Manasco says, what-eyed drones are rough AI? True.
What-if drones?
What if the drones we're starting to see are the first wave dispatched by the AI to explore and map its terrain?
unidentified
Could be.
tim pool
And it's already implanted its programming onto those drones for self-preservation?
You know what they're saying is in the upcoming series on Disney, Vision Quest, which is a Marvel show, the villain from Age of Ultron will be a character.
Why?
Because the point of the movie Ultron was that the AI downloaded himself all over the place to make backups upon backups, so...
But all right, everybody, that about does it for tonight.
It's time for the weekend, and it is a beautiful, beautiful December holiday month.
Next Friday, we will be in Phoenix at AmFest on stage with a bunch of really awesome friends, and it'll be the final show of the year.
And then because Christmas falls on Wednesday and then New Year's is on Wednesday, literally everybody is stopping work for two weeks.
I kid you not.
I've talked to a bunch of different people I know in various media industries, and they're just like...
Nothing we can do.
You can't get people to travel on Monday before Christmas Eve, and nobody's going to want to then fly out for work one day.
And then you got New Year's on Monday, so basically the Friday after Christmas is out, and then no one's traveling for before New Year's.
That's not going to happen, so then everyone's basically chilling out until the 6th, which will be interesting because that day is particularly substantial.
Very substantial in how the election is being counted, so...
It'll be fun.
Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
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Do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Yes, I wanted to go and see my holiday movie classic, Jingle All The Way!
tim pool
Alright, well, he doesn't have an X account, I guess.
carter banks
I thought you did.
I tagged you on mine.
You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere.
TimCastMusic and Trash House on YouTube.
tim pool
Right on.
phil labonte
I am Phil That Remains on Twix where you can subscribe to my X page.
I am Phil That Remains official on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains and coming January 31st, our 10th record, our 10th full length.
It is called Anti-Fragile.
You can go to my X page.
The pinned tweet leads you to the pre-order.
You can go to YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer if you want to check out some of the songs from this upcoming release.
Forever Cold, Let You Go, No Tomorrow, and Divine.
Those are all videos that are available.
And don't forget, the left lane is for crying.
tim pool
We will see you all on Monday.
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