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Nov. 21, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Alex Jones SUES Sandy Hook Families In SHOCK Twist Alleging FRAUD w/Milo Yiannopoulos | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
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phil labonte
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unidentified
You know,
tim pool
I never thought that I would be opening a show by saying Alex Jones sues the Sandy Hook families because it seems so strange and inverted but everything is crazy anyway so So that is the story, and I feel like it's so bizarro world, but it's literally happening, that we have to leave with it, despite the fact that World War III may be starting.
North Korea has deployed troops to fight with Russia.
A Chinese vessel has been detained in the Baltic for potentially destroying undersea cables, which some think is the precursor to a larger conflict.
And yeah, it's a crazy story.
And then there's a bunch of other stuff.
I don't know.
Congress is banning men from the women's bathrooms, and it's caused this whole controversy.
There's a funny video earlier where The View was forced to issue a legal disclaimer that the smear against Matt Gaetz is unfounded, should be considered with great skepticism.
And the DOJ brought no charges.
So I figured considering, I don't know, World War III or whatever, maybe, let's start with the weirder domestic story that'll make people, I don't know, enjoy life a little bit.
Despite it being a crazy story, at least it's weird enough.
Controversy.
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milo yiannopolous
Well, thanks for saying that.
tim pool
Well, you're funny.
You're a funny guy.
It's going to be raucous.
milo yiannopolous
I don't give a lot of interviews, but I do like to return from time to time to your show because you've been so good to me over the years.
Inviting me on when it wasn't always easy.
You know, before I was getting phone calls from a certain family to say thanks.
tim pool
Well, you're a fun guy and we love you.
milo yiannopolous
Well, thank you for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
unidentified
What do you do?
tim pool
Introduce yourself.
milo yiannopolous
Who are you?
I can't give a worse answer than my dear friend Hotep Jesus did last night.
I'm an author and whatnot, and just actually, I think we'll get into it later, but I was the CEO of Yeezy for Kanye West until very recently, worked for just about everybody in conservative politics, and the author Of
a new book.
And we'll get into that later.
But yes, I'll tell you all about that.
I would describe myself as the Jack Bauer of Republican politics.
The guy that they have to disavow, but that gets the job done.
Gets the job done.
tim pool
All right, this would be fun.
We got Elad hanging out.
elad eliahu
Hey everybody, what's up?
My name is Elad Eliyahu.
I'm a journalist here at TimCast.
Milo, you're a political force to be reckoned with.
I'm excited to hear more about the book and what's going on in Washington.
Shane, what's up?
shane cashman
What's up?
Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live.
It's good to see Milo.
Welcome back.
And everyone thought I was joking two months ago when I said Alex Jones should sue the Sandy Hook families.
And here we are.
What's up, Phil?
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
Tim?
tim pool
Let's go.
Here's the story from the Wall Street Journal.
Alex Jones sues the Onion and Sandy Hook families over InfoWars deal.
Attorneys for Jones say the hysterical website made illegitimate bid for InfoWars and plans to misuse intellectual property.
Okay, so, you know, Alex Jones, he got sued by the Sandy Hook families.
The Sandy Hook families demanded the maximum penalty, which would have been $2.75 trillion, or the GDP of France.
It's not a joke.
That's literally what happened.
I know, it's crazy times.
Now, InfoWars up for auction.
And I'll give you the quick gist of the story as to what's happening right now.
So The Onion puts in a bid for what Alex Jones' lawyers and another company, it's First United American Companies, that's what it's called?
First United American Companies.
They say that The Onion offered $1.75 million.
However, they got a waiver from the Sandy Hook families, which was to apply the debt from Alex Jones to the sale, to increase the value of the sale, to then forgive the debt.
It seems to make no sense.
If what they're alleging is true, it's basically the Sandy Hooks family saying, Alex Jones owes us money.
So the money he owes us, we will pass off a debt waiver to The Onion to then apply our own debt to the product that we're supposed to be receiving.
It makes no sense.
It's circuitous.
So Alex Jones says at another company...
First United offered $3.5 million, which should have won the bid.
But they changed the rules, they made it strange, and now the accusation from First United and Alex Jones is that The Onion is colluding with the families to basically bypass the legal rules of a public auction to sell the company, and that within the Infowars properties are Alex Jones' personal IP, I believe he's saying it relates to his name and likeness, and that it cannot be sold, so it's improperly being sold.
And that's the gist of the lawsuit right now.
So now it's...
He's suing them?
I mean, look, the way the whole thing goes, like trying to get the GDP of France out of somebody and then ending up with 1.5 billion dollars?
milo yiannopolous
It's just stupid.
tim pool
None of it makes sense.
milo yiannopolous
I spoke to a couple of people, including one well-known homosexual billionaire.
And the plan originally was to have somebody who's fond of Alex buy the whole thing and then just leave him in charge.
So there would be no effective change from the point of view of the viewers.
And although Alex would lose ownership of the company, he would still have control of the broadcasts and nothing really would change.
That was the plan.
Obviously it ended up being a stitch-up and it went to the guys it was always supposed to go to.
But yes, there is an IP issue here where contractually, if your image rights are licensed to a company, that company can't sell your image rights to somebody else without your permission.
Normally.
So, yes, they tried to sell – they overplayed their hand because they got so overconfident with this huge trillion dollar judgment.
And they tried to sell Alex Jones' right to call himself Alex Jones, you know, as part and parcel of the assets of Infowars.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And his ex-account.
shane cashman
You want to make him an effigy.
milo yiannopolous
Exactly.
And you can't do that.
unidentified
Right.
milo yiannopolous
Because Alex Jones has licensed the likeness and name of Alex Jones to Infowars, which is the ordinary way of doing things.
And so, you know, what they may end up with is some assets.
By the way, that valuation is ridiculous.
I mean, in the...
In the election year in 2016, I think Alex did like 60 million in product sales.
Like, I don't know why it's being undervalued like that.
Probably for the benefit of the onion so they can buy it, right?
Because that in itself is another humiliation ritual, right?
I mean, Alex Jones' business, I can't speak to his profitability.
I don't have visibility on that.
But Alex has been a friend of mine for years.
And I mean, the guy ships product like he would not believe.
I mean, he's the most successful person in this space.
And there's no close second, right?
shane cashman
It's a billion dollar humiliation ritual.
milo yiannopolous
It is a billion dollar business, right?
Infowars is a billion dollar business because they just ship that much product, right?
With the brand value and the amount of stuff that they sell, to sell it for a couple of million is its own kind of humiliation ritual.
shane cashman
I think this stopped being about grieving parents a long time ago.
milo yiannopolous
Well, you know, I hate to say this because you never know about people's interior lives, but I've never really understood how money makes grief better.
And I've never really understood how if your child was taken away from you by some lunatic, how $2 million is going to make you feel better.
To my mind, it would just make you feel worse.
And there are certain...
I won't name them, of course, but there are certain specific parents of these dead kids that have behaved in such a way that...
unidentified
I don't need to finish the sentence, do I? They also happen to have a book coming out soon.
shane cashman
They have a book coming out soon as well, these parents.
Interesting how that lines up.
milo yiannopolous
I've never seen anything like it in history, parents cashing in on the deaths of their children.
I've never seen anything like it in my life.
And I've got to say, tread carefully out of respect for Tim, but I will just say that...
This is not how grieving parents typically behave.
This is not how I would behave if I lost somebody who I loved.
And it's a very peculiar set of circumstances.
And the more they go for Alex over this, the more questions I have about this story in the first place.
That's all I'll say.
shane cashman
The auction sounds like a hoax.
Global Tetrahedron doesn't even sound...
I don't know if it's a real company.
The CEO, I think, is...
milo yiannopolous
I mean, you couldn't make it sound...
You couldn't make it sound any more satanic, could you?
unidentified
Global Tetrahedron, that sounds like a nice guy.
That's the Onion's joke.
tim pool
The Onion was trying to make this one big joke.
The issue is, did they legitimately offer a bid, or is the trustee just saying they win no matter what?
If the argument is Alex Jones owes...
Think about it this way.
They say Alex Jones owns 1.4 something billion dollars.
If the Sandy Hook families can apply any amount of that to anyone else's deal, it's literally impossible for anyone to win that auction.
That means there's no auction.
I mean, Sandy Hook families just decide who can have Infowars.
milo yiannopolous
But this is a bankruptcy proceeding.
Nobody gets to just decide.
tim pool
There are rules.
milo yiannopolous
And there's a procedure to be followed.
And if Infowars is worth a certain amount of money, there has to be a tender process.
shane cashman
I think Alex said the quote was, the highest bid didn't win, the best bid won.
milo yiannopolous
Right.
But you don't, you know, in a bankruptcy proceeding when you have, there are a lot of rules, and you don't just get to say, oh, well, there's somebody offering $50 million, but I'm going to take the $5 million because I think they're going to do better with the assets.
Like, that's not how bankruptcy works.
And so, I mean, thank God for Alex because he's one of those people that just will not take it, you know?
shane cashman
The best part of the day when the administrative state, those thugs, went into his studio and shut it down, all the leftists online cheering, in 30 minutes, Alex Jones is in a new studio broadcasting.
You can't stop him.
milo yiannopolous
That is quintessential.
He would be broadcasting for one of the tanks.
unidentified
It's going to take him 30 days to get the title, so we'll broadcast from here.
milo yiannopolous
No, I mean, that's Alex through and through.
And let me tell you also that the conversations that I have with people who are in a position to buy InfoWars for its true value, they are ready and willing to set them up all over again.
And the value is, nobody cares about InfoWars.
People care about Alex.
And he's not going away.
There are people with the money to do this, I can tell you, that are happy to set him up in exactly the position he's in today.
And the way that bankruptcy works in most states, I presume it's the same in Texas, is that after the proceedings, anything you make afterwards is not subject to the seizures and to the freezes and all the rest of it.
So anything that somebody might gift No, no, no.
They don't need to pay him a pittance.
It depends on the nature of the bankruptcy proceedings, but they can either pay him nothing and they just give him the company in seven years, or they can pay him a fortune and give him all his money back.
Either way, you lose.
Either way, the bad guys lose.
And they will.
shane cashman
It's just a smear campaign.
I don't know what the parents, what their motives are for sure, but they seem like they're...
tim pool
They have said it's literally to stop Alex Jones to make it so he can't do his work.
phil labonte
They do blame him.
milo yiannopolous
They can't, and there's no way to do it.
There's absolutely no way to shut that man up.
You will never be able to do it.
Okay, fine.
Are you taking my Twitter account?
I'll just open a new one.
tim pool
But they can't take his Twitter account because Elon owns it.
milo yiannopolous
Yes, technically, yeah.
shane cashman
Ex-lawyers were at one of the hearings, I think.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
To say, like, you can't take his Twitter.
unidentified
That's crazy.
tim pool
Is that what they said?
shane cashman
I don't know if that's exactly what they said.
I'm paraphrasing.
tim pool
I don't know that they would need to make an appearance to say that these companies have already asserted this in other cases where they said when people were selling their accounts, there was like a statement.
This is like 10 years ago.
They said, you don't own your account and we can disable it if we see that it's been transferred.
milo yiannopolous
Almost every...
Yeah, exactly.
Almost every...
Almost every account that you have with any social media service, you are in reality kind of operating a sort of free license to use your account on their services, which in most cases is terrible because they can ban you without recourse or they can do whatever.
But in this case, it's good because there's an owner who has a say outside of Infowars.
tim pool
Here's the abovethelaw.com demon ghoul Alex Jones sues Sandy Hook parents.
I just...
I don't know what world these people live in.
I've been watching a lot of the fake news stuff, the MSNBC stuff.
It's all really funny to see them start groveling.
But it's just...
It doesn't work anymore.
These smears, the smears against Matt Gaetz, the smears against Alex Jones, the smears against Brett Kavanaugh, whatever it is, Donald Trump, I just, nobody cares.
We're over it.
Trump won.
Republicans won.
Regular people are just like, shut up, we don't want to hear it anymore.
Alex is going to win in the end.
milo yiannopolous
They didn't just win.
Did you see that map of county by county?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
milo yiannopolous
The swings?
They didn't just win.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a crushing defeat.
milo yiannopolous
This is a generational rejection.
tim pool
But have you seen Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Charlemagne, Micah and Joe, all of these liberals, Ezra Klein, who a day before the election were like, Trump can't win, Kamala's gonna win, this is bad.
A day later are like, well, you know, the Democrats, they should have got their act together.
milo yiannopolous
But that's because unlike in conservative media, they're paid to do it.
They're paid to do that.
And then when she loses, the check stopped coming.
And the bots that are...
Inflating their view accounts and enlarging their numbers on live streams suddenly stop showing up because no one's paying the bills anymore.
The paid subscribers dry up.
I mean, watching David Pakman, I don't know why I particularly enjoy David Pakman's tears versus the others.
He's not a particularly distinguished figure, but there's some reason.
For some reason, I just enjoy his misery more than anybody else's.
Watching him just sort of act mystified as to how he could have lost 5,000 paid subscribers.
Bro, you know they're not real.
You know you're not popular.
Do you own a mirror?
Have you ever seen your show?
Do you actually think that people would pay for this?
shane cashman
He might think he does, though.
milo yiannopolous
No, it's impossible.
tim pool
I want to jump to this next story real quick, but I do have a quick question.
Have you played Baldur's Gate 3?
milo yiannopolous
I haven't.
tim pool
Have you heard about it?
milo yiannopolous
I've heard that there's a character based on me.
tim pool
It's literally you, no question.
milo yiannopolous
No, the developer told me.
tim pool
Really?
When I bought the game...
milo yiannopolous
It's like a gay vampire or something, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
He's not...
All the characters are gay, like the whole game.
milo yiannopolous
It's a given in a AAA game these days.
Everybody's gay, I get it.
tim pool
But it's actually a function of...
The funny thing is, originally, they were all gay because they couldn't code between male and female, so they just said characters can love characters, and that's how you ended up with this.
In this circumstance, it's literally just that they let characters...
They're all bi.
milo yiannopolous
Is that the name?
Asterion.
Asterion, that's right.
Sorry.
tim pool
I bought Baldur's Gate 3.
Within three minutes or whatever, you encounter Asterion.
And the moment I met him, I was like, that's Milo Yiannopoulos.
milo yiannopolous
Somebody reached out and told me.
But if you want to play a game featuring me, I have two better recommendations.
The first one is Milo Tossa, which is not quite as exciting as it sounds.
It's a game that came out in 2016 where you play an Iranian jihadi and you have to throw me off a roof and hit a target on the floor.
That's Milo Tosso.
It's on Steam.
And the other one is Postal 2.
There's a DLC called, I think it's called Paradise Lost.
Postal 2, each level is a day of the weekend.
On Wednesday, there's a coat check assistant.
They actually reached out to me and I did the voices for it.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
milo yiannopolous
Postal 2 is one of those hyper-violent, you know...
tim pool
Is it on Steam?
milo yiannopolous
On scene.
I think it's called Postal to Paradise Lost.
So I can only endorse games that I did the voiceovers for.
Baldur's Gate 3 will be hearing from my lawyers.
tim pool
Yeah, so Astarion is a vampire spawn, and his character arc is that you can have him basically slaughter thousands of innocents to use their souls to become an ascended vampire.
unidentified
Sort of analogous to my career, yeah.
milo yiannopolous
He's got my 2018 hair as well, which you can't see today because I have, well, another lawsuit I'm shortly to be involved in.
Joe Burrow, if you're watching this, and you might be, I have seen you stealing my swag.
Has anyone else seen this?
phil labonte
No.
milo yiannopolous
Joe Burrow?
shane cashman
The lesbian coach?
milo yiannopolous
Put him up.
Call him up.
unidentified
Call him up.
milo yiannopolous
Call him up, Serge.
Serge, Joe Burrow.
Joe Burrow has been appearing in...
tim pool
Joe Burrow?
milo yiannopolous
Isn't that his name?
tim pool
The quarterback?
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, he's been appearing.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
milo yiannopolous
He's been showing up in frosted tips and pastel colors, and people will not stop sending me this.
He's been stealing my swag.
I've got a new style icon, as discerning and intelligent viewers will tell.
My new style icon is, of course, Tim.
Good choice.
How am I doing?
Am I pulling off?
tim pool
You're doing well.
You've got an extra flair with the gold and everything.
milo yiannopolous
Well, I had to bring a little Milo to it.
tim pool
That's right.
milo yiannopolous
I did.
But my new style icon is Tim Paul, because my previous look has been stolen by Joe Burrow.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from Mediaite.
This clip is hilarious.
Let's play it for you guys.
So, I'll set it up.
They have been disparaging Matt Gaetz over these debunked allegations.
They were then forced, presumably by legal, to issue this disclaimer.
sunny hostin
It's a TV cabinet.
unidentified
Maybe he's doing it because he wants to make sure they look good on screen.
sunny hostin
Sunny, you have a legal note.
I do have a legal note.
Thank you, Whoopi.
phil labonte
She's dying.
sunny hostin
Matt Gaetz has long denied all allegations, calling the claims, quote, invented, and saying in a statement to ABC News that this false smear following a three-year criminal investigation should be viewed with great skepticism, that DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought.
unidentified
We'll be right back.
phil labonte
She was dying inside.
milo yiannopolous
There's a little twitch.
There's a little sort of black girl pissed off twitch.
phil labonte
I've never seen a human being be so angry about dodging a multi-million dollar lawsuit.
shane cashman
ABC just waterboarded her.
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, they're doing her a favor for God's sake.
tim pool
Jimmy Kimmel made several statements of fact last night.
On his show.
And it's also ABC. I don't know how he stated these things.
He didn't say that Matt Gaetz is being investigated.
He said Matt Gaetz did these things.
milo yiannopolous
So he comes under entertainment.
The View in ABC falls under the news division.
So the reason that they have to regularly issue these kinds of denials is that The View is technically a news show.
tim pool
Yeah, but it doesn't mean anything.
That's not a distinction for defamation lawsuits.
milo yiannopolous
No, it's not, but it means that they fall under a different standards department internally at ABC. So ABC's...
And it does make a difference, for instance, for satire.
It does make a difference, for instance...
Comedians have far more license to say things than news anchors.
Practically speaking, right?
So if you are a late-night comedian...
You have an automatic presumption that much of what you're saying is either comedic, satirical, pastiche, or some sort of burlesque, whatever.
If you are a news show informing the public about what happened today, and the view comes under ABC's news department, it's a completely different team of lawyers, and they have to conform to the same standards, at least in principle, as ABC's nightly news.
shane cashman
That's the first time she ever struck the tone of a talking head.
tim pool
That's right.
milo yiannopolous
That is why you will – if you are a regular View Watcher, as I am, because I love to intrude on private grief.
I prefer Chicken City.
If you are a regular View Watcher, you will regularly see them issue these kinds of statements because they fall under the legal team of the news department.
tim pool
But, you know, the – The other story on this one, Jimmy Kimmel.
milo yiannopolous
It's obviously not entertainment, is it?
tim pool
Jimmy Kimmel comes out and said, Matt Gaetz did these things.
It's disgusting.
How could he be so stupid that he did do these things?
I mean, this is defamation per se.
Accusing someone of committing pedophilia is the most egregious form of defamation.
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, but as a public figure in America, you have no defamation.
tim pool
Not defamation per se.
milo yiannopolous
Well, in principle, yes, but nobody wins and nobody ever brings those cases because by suing, all you do is indelibly link your name with the allegation.
So there's no win condition for Matt Gaetz here.
You have to just let it go and that's what the comedians know.
So if Matt Gaetz sues for something like that, all anybody will ever remember is that Matt Gaetz had to defend himself against X, right?
So that's all anyone will remember.
So it doesn't really matter.
shane cashman
The public opinion.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
Do you think Gates' nomination for AG will eventually be hung up in Congress or in Senate or what?
milo yiannopolous
No, I think they'll do recess like they said.
And I also think that if you cast your mind back to the last 10 attorney generals, I think he'll do a better job than any of them.
I think that all of Trump's appointments, with the possible exception of Dr.
Oz, who I'm just like pretending I didn't hear.
tim pool
What's Oz doing again?
milo yiannopolous
It's a bit of...
phil labonte
Irritating Milo?
milo yiannopolous
Yes, a set of medical things.
I mean...
When I heard Dr.
Oz, I made a vow with myself.
I don't hear it.
I don't see it.
elad eliahu
What's your beef with Dr.
Oz, specifically?
milo yiannopolous
Insubstantial, creepy weirdo.
elad eliahu
My problem with him was that he's a loser, that he lost the Senate race to John Fetterman, who, interestingly enough, said that he'd actually vote to confirm Mehmet Oz.
Yeah, well, between a Republican and a Democrat, I guess I'd prefer the Republican.
milo yiannopolous
No, no, no.
I would have voted for Fetterman.
Fetterman is like a human...
elad eliahu
These are the split ticket voters in Pennsylvania, the British split ticket voters.
milo yiannopolous
Which is why, by the way, that...
So I sometimes come on this show as...
Well, whenever I come on the show, in fact.
You can think of me as a sort of...
You're going to worry or wonder what's going to happen in the next six months.
I'll just tell you, as I did with DeSantis last time I was here.
You can think of me as Cassandra in that way.
You know about Cassandra.
Who's the high priestess who warns of impending disaster and isn't listened to in the Trojan War, you know, and then she's murdered offstage in Aeschylus' Agamemnon.
When Pennsylvania voters go to the polls, they...
For some reason, have a little bit of a soft spot for people who aren't quite there.
And this is why – this is the real reason the Biden family and the Obamas are so pissed off with Kamala because there is a very real prospect that if Biden had stayed in, he would have won again.
Not just because there are purple states that would have stayed with Biden that didn't for Kamala, but because Pennsylvania, as the pivotal, the key state in this election, already demonstrated that they were willing and able to vote for somebody who wasn't quite all there out of sympathy.
The female voters of Pennsylvania in particular.
They've already voted Feterman over Oz and they might well have gone for Biden over Trump.
This is the real reason that they're all pissed off because Kamala in her arrogance possibly cost Biden a second term.
So I would have voted for Fetterman.
I thought he was sympathetic.
I thought he was normal.
The way that he has been speaking about Trump shows that he's one of the only Democrats that gets it.
He's one of the only Democrats who understands why people like Trump.
And Dr.
Oz is an uncanny valley alien weirdo.
Alien weirdo.
elad eliahu
I think Trump had a soft spot for him because he was on TV a lot.
milo yiannopolous
Trump likes him because he's famous and because he gave him a lot of money.
And Trump has a few weaknesses like this.
Famous member of my family gave me a lot of money.
Any of those three and you'll get stuff you probably shouldn't with Trump, okay?
But, you know, Dr.
Oz is a classic kind of uncanny valley weirdo.
Politics people in general, I mean, I've worked for a lot of senators, a lot of congressmen, I've written a lot of their books, 17 New York Times bestsellers.
elad eliahu
Worst pick, though?
I mean, not everybody has that.
There still is RFK Jr.
milo yiannopolous
People in politics can't tell weird.
There's something wrong with them where they can't tell weird.
They can't tell when someone's a bit off because they're all a bit off.
And they don't have that sort of like, yeah, okay, he's like a little bit slow, but a nice, normal, likable guy.
That guy is from Alpha Centauri.
So, you know, I would have voted for Federman.
I thought Federman was...
elad eliahu
It's a good thing you British people can't vote in our elections.
milo yiannopolous
Don't start that nonsense.
tim pool
Who was running against Oz?
John Fetterman.
elad eliahu
John Fetterman.
shane cashman
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
The primary.
Barnett?
shane cashman
Barnett.
elad eliahu
There was Barnett and McCormick.
He lost to McCormick.
milo yiannopolous
Here's what the Senate should...
elad eliahu
Who's now the senator-elect in Pennsylvania.
milo yiannopolous
But the reason Fetterman is...
What should the Senate be?
The Senate should be an eccentric, peculiar...
A distinctively American body that represents the best and worst of the country, just like the House of Lords on which it's modeled, right?
It's supposed to be full of eccentric peculiarities who...
As a combined body, reflect the character, the wisdom, and the distinctive identity of the country and of the people, right?
That's what the Senate's supposed to be.
Fetterman achieves that.
elad eliahu
Oz does.
shane cashman
The new Fetterman clone.
unidentified
Fetterman keeps getting better.
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman
The first Fetterman clone.
milo yiannopolous
Clone 12 is the best one yet.
We're loving it.
But Fetterman does that.
Oz doesn't.
Oz, by the way, who is a dual citizen who served in the Turkish military.
unidentified
What?
Really?
milo yiannopolous
Yeah.
tim pool
We need to repeal the 17th Amendment.
milo yiannopolous
No, he's a dual citizen who served in...
I don't even know if it was a Turkish...
I think he might have served in Turkish intelligence.
I mean, well, sorry.
unidentified
What an amazing thing that is to say.
Turkish intelligence.
milo yiannopolous
You know, Oz is not just a...
If you have problems with dual loyalty, I mean, my goodness.
No, Oz is a foreign weirdo.
unidentified
Thank God for Fetterman!
tim pool
Repeal the 17th.
milo yiannopolous
I'll just get rid of all of them.
Get rid of all of them.
unidentified
Listen.
milo yiannopolous
What Adam said, okay, was that the Bill of Rights, meaning everything after the Constitution, the amendments, was suitable only for the government of a moral and religious people.
unidentified
That's right.
milo yiannopolous
What he said, what he meant by that was Christians, okay?
elad eliahu
Why wouldn't he say Christian explicitly then?
milo yiannopolous
Well, because everybody was Christian.
elad eliahu
Then why wouldn't he say it explicitly?
milo yiannopolous
Because it was a given.
unidentified
Because you don't need to.
No!
tim pool
Elad, you're wrong.
milo yiannopolous
Religious freedom in the time of the founders was about competing Protestant denominations.
And those competing Protestant denominations, they want to avoid wars between Calvinists and Presbyterians.
So religious freedom was designed to stop civil wars among Protestant denominations.
And moral and religious people meant to the founders and everybody else at the time, Christians.
You cannot give non-Christian people unfettered access to speech or guns.
It doesn't work, and it's not working.
Because if the First Amendment...
Basically, the way this country is set up is morality is outsourced to Christianity, okay?
You have a huge amount of freedom, unprecedented freedom, for people to choose good or to choose evil.
And the presumption in this country is that morality will be governed by a set of Christian norms.
Even if people aren't, like, practicing Christians, they kind of inherit this sort of fundamental understanding.
elad eliahu
The idea that the first, second, and our amendments are only made for Christians, I think they would have explicitly said that.
Our country, I think, was founded on explicitly the opposite, and they would have said Christian explicitly.
The writers of our Constitution were all lawyers.
tim pool
And I gotta pause.
With all due respect, you are completely wrong, and you need to read all of what the Founding Fathers had written about this, because it is fairly explicit.
elad eliahu
Yeah, and I think there was a range of religion amongst them.
unidentified
The range of religion was Presbyterian, Unitarian.
milo yiannopolous
The range of religion was Christian.
unidentified
There are no Jewish founders.
milo yiannopolous
There are no Muslim founders.
There are no Buddhist founders.
unidentified
There are no atheist founders.
tim pool
Let's pause a second.
Let's start with the Fifth Amendment.
Do you know why the Founding Fathers created Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth?
elad eliahu
Specifically, no.
tim pool
It's the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
It is literally as the spoken word of the founding fathers Benjamin Franklin said it is better that 100 guilty persons escape than one innocent sufferer, which was a play on Blackstone's formulation.
It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent sufferer, which is literally written...
Real quick, the story was, Sodom and Gomorrah, it is better, you know, if but one righteous person exists, I will not destroy this land.
It was literally the Bible, which is why they said we should enshrine this in our Constitution.
milo yiannopolous
And the inalienable rights that Americans enjoy are...
unidentified
Given by God.
And they don't mean Ashanti Chakra.
They don't mean...
milo yiannopolous
They mean the Christian deity.
elad eliahu
I don't think they...
unidentified
In every...
elad eliahu
I think they would have said so.
I think you guys are really overlooking how intelligent and smart the founders were.
And if they thought Christian...
And they wanted the country to be explicitly Christian, they would have explicitly said so.
That's why you guys have to read into it.
That's why you guys have to read into it.
tim pool
I gotta stop you.
milo yiannopolous
A Jew telling you to read between the lines.
elad eliahu
I have read a lot of the foundational documents, and they would have explicitly written in Christianity.
milo yiannopolous
When he asked you about 3, 4, and 5, could you have read them out?
unidentified
Do you know what they are?
elad eliahu
No, not explicitly.
unidentified
You don't know the amendments you're talking about.
elad eliahu
I'm not rejecting the religious influence on our founding documents.
I'm saying they would have explicitly...
unidentified
Tim, you've done it again.
milo yiannopolous
You found the only stupid Jew.
tim pool
My favorite?
elad eliahu
Why don't you think they would have excluded Christian English quotes of moral...
unidentified
We found the only retarded...
I never know.
milo yiannopolous
I never know.
phil labonte
When they say a good and moral people, they believe that other religions are immoral because that was the standard back then.
milo yiannopolous
Just because I know that you are a recovering libertarian, my dear friend Phil.
That's not the expression.
The expression is a moral and religious people.
And the religion is Christianity.
tim pool
Now, I want to pause.
My favorite amendment is Amendment 7.
unidentified
Okay?
What's Amendment 7?
elad eliahu
Off the top of my head, I can't tell you.
How about you tell us, Milo?
Stop, Tim.
How about you tell us, Milo?
tim pool
Well, he's a British guy.
elad eliahu
Wait, no, no.
Let's hear it.
Milo's willing to call me out on knowing it.
Not knowing it.
I don't know what it is.
Milo doesn't have a shit.
unidentified
He doesn't know what it is.
elad eliahu
He'll complain about Dr.
Oz being a dual citizen.
He's only a British citizen, so it's really, really slow.
tim pool
I'd like to open up to anybody else.
Who knows?
elad eliahu
Any of you guys know this?
tim pool
Okay, Elad, please.
Guys, does anybody else want to take a strike at the Seventh Amendment?
phil labonte
I don't know what I thought to my topic.
unidentified
I don't know anybody.
tim pool
No one knows this one because it doesn't matter.
The Seventh Amendment matters, sort of.
It's the right to jury trials in civil cases, so long it's over $20.
Now, here's the funny part.
Back then, $20 was nuts!
Today, 20 bucks ain't nothing.
So there is a dramatic change in what that amendment means based on inflation and Federal Reserve policies, which I find hilarious.
That being said, a lot.
There are numerous writings.
Now, I will stress this.
There were some founding fathers who were deist.
They believed in God.
They didn't follow Christian moral teachings.
But it is...
Your argument is a classic and incorrect argument which doesn't actually look into the letters, the writings, the books.
What you're saying is, why didn't they explicitly state this?
unidentified
It's in the Declaration of Independence!
tim pool
It's the fish and water argument.
Okay?
So let me start you here.
elad eliahu
I think they were purposefully inclusive.
The founding fathers were purposefully inclusive.
tim pool
How about I finish?
elad eliahu
Sure.
tim pool
Do you know air was discovered?
elad eliahu
No, it wasn't officially ever discovered.
unidentified
Yes, it was.
tim pool
You are completely incorrect.
elad eliahu
Air was discovered, okay.
tim pool
You are completely incorrect.
elad eliahu
When was water discovered?
milo yiannopolous
Please don't make this guy your White House correspondent.
My God in heaven.
tim pool
When was zero discovered?
elad eliahu
It was a concept.
It kind of always existed.
tim pool
No, my God.
elad eliahu
It didn't always exist.
You already know it did not.
tim pool
Humans did not have a concept of zero.
It was discovered.
Humans did not know that air existed.
They thought there was nothing here.
It was the ether.
There was an energy that you could feel.
And then one day, some dude, they used to use these bronze orbs with holes in them and a straw.
They would dunk it in water, put their thumb over the back, lift it up, and put it over themselves.
One guy goes, hey, what happens if I put my thumb over the back and then put it in the water?
Hey, no water went in the little ball.
Something is displacing the water.
And then he said, guys, I got an idea.
And that's when we discovered there was actually matter and mass all around us.
Why didn't they write about air?
It was in them and around them 24-7.
There's no reason for the founding fathers who are 99.9% Christian to say, and don't forget, we're all Christians in this room, right?
Let's write it down.
milo yiannopolous
Except him also to say, it is there in the Declaration of Independence.
elad eliahu
In Muslim countries, that does It is there.
milo yiannopolous
In all of the founding documents, God is actually present as well.
It's just that they don't feel the need to say it in every clause.
elad eliahu
They never mention Jesus, and there's no mentions of Christianity, just allusions to moral and religious people.
I think John Adams is smart enough that if he meant explicitly Christians, he would have said Christians specifically.
tim pool
I guess he did.
elad eliahu
Moral and religiously.
unidentified
He did.
You just haven't read any, Adam.
elad eliahu
No, no, you're wrong.
You're British.
You think you know a lot more about American politics than you do.
tim pool
How come our law books don't explicitly state that it only applies to humans?
Is it because we assume, as all humans, we're not applying laws to dolphins?
milo yiannopolous
In American courtrooms until very, very recently in criminal trials in American courtrooms, what book do you swear on so that everyone knows you're telling the truth?
elad eliahu
I think it's your own religious book.
Is it the Talmud?
unidentified
Is it the Bakahadvita?
milo yiannopolous
Is it the Dead Sea Scrolls?
unidentified
No, it's the Bible.
elad eliahu
Grow up.
tim pool
Do you know what percentage of this country right now is Christian?
elad eliahu
Depends on how you define it, but at least 60-70%.
unidentified
No, it doesn't.
It's self-reported.
elad eliahu
Are you discriminating?
Between Christians, Catholics, which denominations...
unidentified
No, they're all Christians.
elad eliahu
It's in surveys.
tim pool
It's about 70%.
And do you know what that number was in the 60s?
elad eliahu
Probably closer to 90.
tim pool
Did you hear that?
unidentified
Did you hear that?
milo yiannopolous
Congratulations.
You could be nice to the ruling elites, you know.
tim pool
If you go back even 50 years, this country is 95% Christian.
If you go back 100, it's 100% Christian.
There's very few people who weren't.
Maybe some immigrants from Asia were, you know, Buddhist or Confucianist or whatever.
elad eliahu
There are Muslim countries who, despite being 99% Muslim, still decide to enshrine their religious law explicitly.
unidentified
They're not America, and that's not what America did.
elad eliahu
Okay.
Did they do it in Britain at all?
Is Britain a Christian country?
I'm not sure.
Maybe you can tell us about Britain instead of America.
phil labonte
The King of England is the head of the Church of England.
elad eliahu
I don't know.
That's why I'm asking the British guy, not the American citizen.
milo yiannopolous
I can't believe you don't know this, but the British monarch is also the head of the Church of England, which is the Anglican Church.
So Canterbury Cathedral has an archbishop who is the sort of religious, if you like, the chief executive in corporate terms.
And in corporate terms, the president of the board, the chief of the board, is the monarch.
So if you are an English monarch, you have to be an Anglican because they are also the head of the church because the English church is an established church.
So a disestablishment, which happened in 1776, is where you divorce religion from the state technically, right?
And the reason it happened in 1776 is because if you're going to cast off the British king, you have to do something about the religion because you can't be sort of paying obeisance to the head of your own religion when you've just deposed him as the head of your state, okay?
elad eliahu
Well, Milo, I apologize.
It's truly easy to confuse you guys for a British country or a Muslim-majority country.
tim pool
Okay, I have a question for you.
Do you want to finish?
milo yiannopolous
Well, just simply to say that the Washington National Cathedral, for instance, which is an Episcopalian church, the Episcopalian branch of Protestantism was invented basically to mirror high Anglicanism in Britain, is a clone of Canterbury Cathedral.
And there's a reason for that.
Because the Episcopalian Church was basically, and Washington National Cathedral, it was created to be a parallel or almost identical religious institution.
And that is, Washington National Cathedral, that's where the presidents get buried.
That's where things happen in American public life.
All those things where, you know, you see all the presidents lined up and someone's being buried.
It happens in Washington National Cathedral, which is an Episcopalian Christian church.
That is the national church of this country.
tim pool
So, Ilad, I got a question for you about the Second Amendment.
Do you know what it is?
elad eliahu
Yeah, the right to keep in bare arms.
I know that one, Milo.
Necessary to the security of a free state.
tim pool
Let's start from the beginning.
elad eliahu
Roughly, I'm messing up something.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, I'm not being mean.
Hold on, hold on.
milo yiannopolous
Be cruel.
tim pool
I am not being mean.
elad eliahu
This is the one I know.
tim pool
This is my point.
elad eliahu
Necessary to the security.
tim pool
And it's not to put him on the spot to say, you can look it up, I don't care.
elad eliahu
I'm not looking it up.
tim pool
A well-regulated militia.
elad eliahu
Wait, can I, all right, well.
You got the well-regulated.
I forgot that part.
A well-regulated militia necessary to the security of a free state.
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
tim pool
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
What does it mean?
Why did the Founding Fathers want that written in?
What was their intent?
elad eliahu
I think the attitude of the country at the time was of rebellion, and they were thinking that they needed to maintain being armed.
unidentified
They wanted to continue the state of rebellion.
milo yiannopolous
It makes total sense.
elad eliahu
No, well, they saw the tyranny that existed when they weren't armed, and they wanted to give the ability and the God-given right.
tim pool
Why didn't they include that in the amendment?
elad eliahu
The God-given part?
tim pool
Why didn't they write everything you just said down?
elad eliahu
Because they spoke in lawyer talk.
tim pool
So just one sentence.
But clearly, if their intent was rebellion, they would have included for these purposes.
elad eliahu
Well, a well-regulated militia, I guess, to prevent.
I mean, that part could be argued.
tim pool
Why did they write it down?
elad eliahu
The whole thing?
tim pool
Why didn't they write down what you're saying?
milo yiannopolous
They were quite prolix people.
elad eliahu
Because there are more implications that aren't explicitly laid out.
tim pool
The point is this.
milo yiannopolous
You mean implications that aren't explicitly laid out, like moral and religious people meaning Christian?
elad eliahu
No, I don't think those are like-kind still.
I still don't think those are like-kind comparisons, though.
tim pool
You're asking why they didn't write Christianity in a Bible when they were all Christians and assumed everyone was?
And you're also stating that there are things they meant that they did not write down later.
So, which is it?
unidentified
I just think you guys are reading into this quote really hard.
tim pool
Answer the question I'm asking you.
unidentified
Repeat it.
tim pool
Were the founding fathers leaving out information that was assumed, or were there things they intended to include that they didn't write down?
elad eliahu
There were things left out that people...
tim pool
Could that be that everyone in the room was Christian, so the assumption was moral and religious meant Christian?
elad eliahu
It could be, but I don't think that's what he's referring to in this quote.
I think it's much easier to say, if you explicitly mean Christian here, our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
If he meant specifically Christian, I think it's an obvious thing.
Hold on, hold on, you made one point.
unidentified
In Muslim-majority countries, they say so explicitly.
tim pool
Ilad, you made a point.
Your point will be answered to, don't gish-gallop.
Satanism is not a religion that the Founding Fathers would have considered to be moral and religious.
Right?
elad eliahu
I agree.
milo yiannopolous
Nor is Judaism.
elad eliahu
Well, I don't think, uh, debatable.
I think they would have said Judaism is moral and religious.
milo yiannopolous
Not debatable.
elad eliahu
What other religions did they mean here?
milo yiannopolous
Not debatable.
unidentified
None.
elad eliahu
Besides Christianity, if they only meant Christianity, then I don't see as to why they wouldn't say that explicitly.
If they only meant Christianity by moral and religious people, John Adams here, I think he would have said so explicitly.
tim pool
Let me ask you a question.
elad eliahu
Were they Christians?
milo yiannopolous
I can explain why.
elad eliahu
Some were, some weren't.
Are they Christians somewhere and somewhere?
milo yiannopolous
All the founders were some form of Christian.
unidentified
I'll explain.
tim pool
And now the question then is, do Christians typically say that other religions are correct?
elad eliahu
I think the Christians say the Jews are chosen people.
unidentified
Christians don't go around saying, well, the woman's got a point.
elad eliahu
Christians believe in the Jewish Torah, if I'm not mistaken.
Maybe one of you Christians can tell me more about it.
milo yiannopolous
In order to demonstrate this, you can look, for instance, at the highest authority in America, which is not the president.
It's the Supreme Court.
Things are decided in America in courtrooms.
The courtrooms are the places where America's national dramas play out, okay?
Whether it's Roe vs.
Wade, the abortion debate is framed in terms of a court case, right?
Whether it's the OJ trial, which told white America, there might be a problem here.
I don't think blacks are buying into this thing that we wanted them to do post-emancipation, right?
I think actually maybe they're just gonna vote with other black people and maybe we got a problem here, right?
To Trump, to the Bush-Gore election, all of America's great national dramas are played out in the courtroom.
And the Supreme Court is the highest authority in this country because they get to choose the president if no one else can make their mind up.
tim pool
They can also rule on whether the president can go to jail.
milo yiannopolous
Of course.
And in that place, they are holding their verdicts against a constitution that is based on Christian principles, such as oath-breaking, the commandment against bearing false witness.
tim pool
Right.
milo yiannopolous
Which means if you make a contract with somebody else, you stick to it.
And if you don't, they can sue you and you've got to pay them.
This actually flows directly from the Christian commandment about bearing false witness, just like all the other laws and just like the Constitution.
tim pool
One more point before we jump to the next story, though.
You would say that there are people in China that are religious.
They have a religion.
elad eliahu
I'm not sure.
tim pool
I believe it's largely Buddhist.
I could be completely wrong.
elad eliahu
I think there are some Christians.
I'm sure there are some moral and religious people in China.
I don't think Buddhism is a religion, actually.
Buddhism is a religion, right?
milo yiannopolous
You don't think Buddhism is a religion?
elad eliahu
No.
I think people are also, like, Buddhist in other things.
unidentified
I can hear an outcry of Nam-myo-ho-renge-kyo, Nam-myo-ho-renge-kyo, Nam-myo-ho-renge-kyo, Nam-myo-ho-renge-kyo.
milo yiannopolous
There's a thousand crystals just lit up.
elad eliahu
What is that?
tim pool
Hinduism.
elad eliahu
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
Okay, how come in these countries they don't have a Fifth Amendment?
elad eliahu
Because they're trash countries?
unidentified
Do you know what the Fifth Amendment is?
tim pool
That's not an answer.
milo yiannopolous
Do you know what the Fifth Amendment is?
elad eliahu
It's to not be self-incriminated, not to provide— That's the easy one.
tim pool
There's several components to it.
elad eliahu
Okay.
tim pool
So my point is it is rooted in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
You get a right to a trial, these things, fourth, fifth, and sixth.
The right to a fourth is search and seizure.
If it was just about being religious in general, well, the Founding Fathers understand that China was religious, but they do not protect an individual's right to a trial, a jury of their peers, and against self-incrimination.
That's quite literally rooted in the Bible.
I researched this intentionally because I was wondering why the Founding Fathers—I read about all the Bill of Rights— The first amendment was originally supposed to be, what was it, like salaries?
The second was supposed to be a portion, but I could be mixing them up.
And they ultimately dropped those.
There were 17 original articles.
They got condensed and some got eliminated.
The second amendment used to have a line in it that stated that even if you did not serve in the military, you still had your right to keep and bear arms, which was so important.
Because the left is arguing that the Second Amendment only applies to a well-regulated militia.
And the original articles, I think it was the fourth at the time, stated, you don't got to be in the military, you get to keep your guns.
And they said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
This could be used in court to argue against conscription.
That when we call someone up to serve to defend this nation, they could say, no, let's remove that part.
Have it be implied that everyone just keeps to have their guns.
Now the Democrats are literally arguing that it means only a well-regulated militia.
And it's like, heavens me, did you literally read about anything the Founding Fathers wrote when they were crafting this?
They were all like, we want to make sure everybody has weapons.
It's not just about tyranny.
It's a generality.
There is fear of a tyrannical government.
However, they don't want people rising up against them.
There was, what's the...
I forgot the guy's name.
There was the rebellion after the revolution when they didn't pay the people who fought.
They revolted, and Jefferson and the other founding fathers were like, no, no, no, no, we're pardoning all of them because we cannot found a nation on internal fighting.
There's a bigger component with the Second Amendment, and that is the militia is necessary to a free state, not just to oppose domestic problems, but foreign problems as well.
If a foreign nation wants to invade and the average citizenry can rise up and form militia, they are much more defensible.
However, Because they didn't explicitly write it, they wrote it in external papers, drafts, and letters.
The Democrats are now trying to strip us of those rights.
milo yiannopolous
So if you don't know anything about this and you don't read the Federalist Papers and you don't understand how all this stuff comes out, it's easy.
And we can apply this to the First Amendment too.
What is the First Amendment really for?
It is to provide people with the freedom to do good or to do evil, right?
It's to provide them with the free will to be saved or to be damned.
Okay?
And they can stand or fall on their own words and no other man can say, you know, you can say this or you can not say this.
Freedom is not really a Christian virtue, but it exists in the Bill of Rights because it provides people with the ability to do right or to do wrong and then be judged by it in the herafter.
Okay?
And to be able to express yourself in whatever way you want is a radical, dangerous, and unprecedented level of freedom that has not really existed in society or civilizations before this that is only possible Because it was assumed that America would always stay Christian.
And as America has become less Christian, both of those first two amendments have begun to become a problem, particularly the first one.
Because we now live, just to demonstrate how wrong you are, now that we live in a post-Christian America, which I think it's fairly unarguable that we do, Let me pause real quick.
tim pool
Just make a point.
Even though the country is 70% Christian, I believe large quantities are not practicing or voting.
milo yiannopolous
Yes, but I mean, sure.
People who believe in prosperity, gospel, and whatever, I wouldn't really class this.
tim pool
But continue, continue.
milo yiannopolous
Thank you.
Now that we live in what is, in many ways, a post-Christian country, and I don't think it's because of that.
I think what it really is is that a country is its cities, right?
Civilization, from civis, the Latin means to live in cities.
Civilization means to live in cities, right?
And a country is its cities.
And we've lost our cities, right?
And the cities determine the character, the laws, and the nature of a society, of a nation.
We have lost our cities, and our cities are definitely post-Christian, if not actively anti-Christian.
So I think that's probably really what I mean.
Now, that a given, what is the result of that?
Well, the First Amendment has provided for this creation of two completely different parallel fact universes that Americans now live in.
There's the universe that you live in if you are...
I mean, we could...
This is an oversimplification, but let's say it's left and right.
Let's say it's Democrat-Republican, okay?
It's not a...
Very satisfactory way to talk about these categories.
Maybe better would be like Bernie Trump versus Hillary Romney, right?
But there are two completely different fact universes that Americans now live in.
And every single issue that you talk about, whether it's moral or practical, has...
An A and a B that you have to choose between.
And most people just line up with their tribe.
We live in these two completely different fact universes.
This is a psychic fracture.
A damaging, dangerous, psychological rift that has opened up in the heart of the country that has made America schizophrenic.
It has given America...
And this is a product of freedom...
Shorn of Christianity.
This is a problem of a First Amendment without the restraining influence of Christian moral teaching, which tells us that we must adhere to the truth, which holds in the transcendentals beauty, truth, and goodness, that we must always aspire to do those things that are good, beautiful, and true, and that promote unity, depending on which church fathers you read.
Take Christianity out and the First Amendment is a mendacious liar's charter that rewards the people who lie the most audaciously and without honor and without regret.
And it has created this psychic break in the country.
That is what happens.
And the founders knew this.
That is what happens when you have a First Amendment.
A shorn of Christianity.
shane cashman
It lifted the guardrails off morality.
milo yiannopolous
So we know that this argument is correct because we have witnessed what happens when you take Christianity out of the equation.
tim pool
And let's add to that with the Fifth Amendment.
You end up with defense of the worst vile criminals.
You end up with people being released.
milo yiannopolous
Yes.
tim pool
So I always phrase it like this.
And again, Christians, hey, I'm not a Christian, but I recognize logic.
unidentified
We'll get you.
tim pool
Sure.
If everybody on the planet, if everyone on the planet was Seamus Coughlin, I know Seamus is a good dude.
I know what he believes.
I know how devout he is.
If everyone on the planet had the same moral framework as Seamus, there would be no war.
There would be no murder.
You would need no police except for getting kittens out of trees.
Because Seamus fears something beyond himself and doesn't want to infringe upon others.
milo yiannopolous
I think that's the fire service, but I take your point.
And just to say, you may not be a believer yet.
You may not be a believer ever.
I'm not going to...
tim pool
Let me say something real quick about...
I don't think that most Christians are motivated by a fear of hell.
I feel like atheists try to claim that.
I feel like when I talk to Seamus, it seems like his greatest concern is being without God's grace.
milo yiannopolous
Well, it's the same thing.
So when Dante talks about the circles of hell, the furthest away from God are the cold ice things.
tim pool
Shoot in the devil's mouth.
milo yiannopolous
Right.
Yeah, the sort of slow, icy tube, because for a Christian to be out of the light and love of God is a cold thing, right?
That lake of fire is a metaphor, okay, for torment.
And it's the torment of despair.
The torment of despair is that position in darkness and distance from which you cannot be saved, from which God's love and light cannot reach you because you're no longer open to his salvific message, okay?
So, you know, it's a cold place and a dark place.
It is, you know, it is out there somewhere in the universe, unreachable by law.
And it's, you know, it's a place of ultimate despair.
tim pool
And who is warranting the lowest level of hell?
shane cashman
Traitors.
Traders, correct.
In Dante's Inferno.
milo yiannopolous
Correct.
So Dante's teaching, Dante's Inferno is not official Catholic Church teaching, but it was written at a time and within the context, very much in a Catholic context, okay?
So it's not official Catholic Church teaching, but it has been enormously influential because it reflects the manner in which we think about particular kinds of sins, all right?
So, for instance, sodomy is one of those sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance.
It's like that bad.
In addition to, for instance, denying the poor their wages.
If you are employing somebody who needs that money to pay their children, and without it, their children may go hungry, and you withdraw their wages, that is...
That is withholding wages.
So that's another of the sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance, right?
And these things are places that put you beyond and out in the cold, in addition to treachery.
And what is treachery?
Treachery is oath-breaking.
It is a violation of the commandment against bearing false witness.
Bearing false witness means lying in official contexts.
And that's the basis of American democracy.
tim pool
I want to go a lot deeper on this.
Let's save the rest for the members-only portion, and we can get a little bit more unfriendly and a little bit more adult, I would call it, meaning serious conversations about penalties and things like this.
milo yiannopolous
What we really want to see happen to them.
unidentified
Got it.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from the Post Millennial.
House Speaker bans men from women's bathrooms on Capitol Hill.
This is...
This is a weird story that the Speaker of the House had to say men can't go in the women's room.
I don't understand why this...
Speaking of an immoral world.
milo yiannopolous
You have Marjorie Taylor Greene to thank for this.
tim pool
Let me get real quick context.
unidentified
For sure.
tim pool
There's a new member of Congress coming in named Sarah McBride, a Democrat.
milo yiannopolous
No, no, no.
That's not the name of that person.
tim pool
Well, you can change your name.
And legally, on paperwork, this person is identifying as Sarah McBride.
I'm just trying to give the context.
Let me say this, and then you can follow up and explain what's wrong about it and all that stuff.
In the media, they have reported an individual who is going by the name Sarah McBride, who is biologically male.
milo yiannopolous
I ain't seen a name change document.
unidentified
I'm Sarah.
tim pool
Nancy May says, we will not have men in the women's bathrooms in Congress.
Proposed a bill.
Doubled down and said, we will now propose this in all federal buildings in this country.
Mike Johnson comes out and says, you know what?
Men cannot use women.
Women cannot use men.
Thank you and have a nice day.
This is where we currently are.
Milo, explain what's going on.
milo yiannopolous
So you have Marjorie Taylor Greene to thank for this.
The bill that Nancy Mace is putting forward, which would apply to all federal buildings everywhere, for instance, would apply to your local DMV. This is a very good thing, and we hope that it passes and we hope that it happens.
Mike, as the Speaker of the House, can say what happens in the Capitol complex, right?
So in the Capitol complex...
The Speaker of the House determines what happens everywhere.
So without a bill being passed, without a law being passed, he's able to institute new rules for how those buildings are used.
So Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, has said, no biological males in the female bathrooms in the Capitol complex.
And that means the offices...
You have Marjorie Taylor Greene to thank for this, because Mike Johnson...
That wasn't a given that that happened, but Marjorie...
Announced a day before this ruling came down from Mike Johnson that Mike Johnson was going to do this.
And I don't know to the extent to which that was definitely the case.
Or not the case, but she sure maneuvered him into saying it.
So Marjorie kind of left him with no option but to do this, which was a great public service and a great thing.
And it's right and it's proper that that should have happened.
Nancy Mace has been great.
She's like a mob wife, isn't she?
She's like a sexy mob wife.
shane cashman
Was she wearing like a mink yesterday?
milo yiannopolous
No, she came out in this white fur and I was, and you know, my old gay Milo came out.
I have to tell you, I have to tell you, she came out in this fur and I was like, yes, quit!
unidentified
Stop!
milo yiannopolous
You know, uh...
shane cashman
Fifty lashes.
milo yiannopolous
No, no, exactly.
unidentified
There's a hot oil on the thigh, yeah.
milo yiannopolous
That's my preferred punishment.
Um, you know, no, no idea.
That's how I stopped having sex with men.
shane cashman
Really?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
milo yiannopolous
You just fry up some oil and just a little drop on the fire.
It stings for days.
And you're just like, I really am not interested in anything else.
It really hurts.
No, it worked for me.
So this is a wonderful thing.
And you have Marjorie Taylor Greene to thank for it.
shane cashman
Can I ask?
Okay, so thinking of this story and what you were saying earlier about the schizophrenic country, do you think the...
Schizophrenia widens now in America after the election or does it get better?
milo yiannopolous
I don't believe that the two fact universes are reconcilable.
shane cashman
Yeah, I agree.
milo yiannopolous
So I think that one of two things has to happen.
tim pool
I agree.
milo yiannopolous
Either the country splits in some sort of orderly breakup or one of those sides has to die.
And we are now at a point at which it's a realistic prospect that one of those sides might be on the ropes.
shane cashman
You think they're just going to phase themselves out?
tim pool
Well, so let me...
It's not that.
milo yiannopolous
It's that you were talking earlier about, you know, Micah and Charlemagne the God, that fruity guy, and then, you know, all these other people who are sort of...
Oh, and the oleaginous, odious slug.
What's his name on...
shane cashman
Ryan Stelter.
milo yiannopolous
No, no.
shane cashman
He sounds like a slob.
milo yiannopolous
No, no, no.
You can sort of see him ripple as he talks on the Young Turks.
What's his name?
tim pool
Cenk?
milo yiannopolous
Yes, Cenk.
tim pool
Ripple?
milo yiannopolous
You know you can tell.
tim pool
Oh, he left it yesterday.
milo yiannopolous
People say you can't judge a book by its cover.
Give me a break.
shane cashman
He's working with Doge now.
He's working with Eon.
unidentified
Cenk?
milo yiannopolous
But he wants to.
There's a very real prospect.
And by the way, I did watch her show yesterday, and I can't share your praise for Anna Kasparian because she had plenty of opportunities to realize what was right, and she only really changed her mind when it affected her personally.
unidentified
Agreed.
milo yiannopolous
And I don't think you get plaudits for that.
I'm sorry.
I don't think you get a round of applause just because you got assaulted and then your friends weren't nice to you about it.
And now you realize that maybe your friends are dicks.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
milo yiannopolous
I'm sorry.
phil labonte
I'm sorry.
milo yiannopolous
I don't think you get an applause for that.
phil labonte
Hold on.
You're totally right about the assault.
Everything.
Let me finish here.
You're totally right about the assault.
You're right about the opinions when it comes to...
What was the other topic that she had?
Oh, the birthing person.
But she did look into the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff on her own, and she came to a different conclusion after she looked into it.
unidentified
Ah!
How recently?
She's been at this for decades.
phil labonte
I understand, but the point that I'm making, Milo, is that she knew.
unidentified
She went on air, and she said lies, and she knew she was wrong, and she did it anyway, and when did she finally break?
When it affected her personally?
phil labonte
You're asserting that she knew.
unidentified
That is no cause for applause.
No cause for applause.
milo yiannopolous
And just because she saw the way that the wind was blowing...
And just because she knew who was going to win the election, because she's not completely insane.
unidentified
Suddenly she has some Damascene experience.
I think that you're doing it.
phil labonte
You're assuming too much.
I've just realized the left's wrong about everything.
You're making too many assumptions about what she did or did not know, Milo.
milo yiannopolous
Give me a break.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
You cannot applaud everyone on the left.
Okay, we get it.
tim pool
Now, do Micah and Scarborough.
unidentified
Oh gosh.
milo yiannopolous
Listen.
phil labonte
They're much more atrocious than Anakin's powers.
unidentified
So Micah's like...
milo yiannopolous
If you kind of...
So if you took like sort of three or four thousand...
You can work out by body weight like how much Adderall will kill you.
LAUGHTER If you took sort of like 20 milligrams less than that, and then you'd be Micah.
And then there's this sort of podgy, you know, ghastly sort of soft...
shane cashman
Matthew Perry's corpse.
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, soft-featured, you know, sort of...
Oh, God.
Listen, these are weak people who are...
tim pool
Moral cowards.
milo yiannopolous
Moral cowards, but also...
The worst thing you can be in life is for sale.
And there are people who will say just about anything in order to stay on the right line of the censors, or in order to keep their, you know, whatever.
And we all know this, being in the right wing, because we know Prager, and we know Turning Point, and we know, sorry, all your friends, I'm just kidding, or The Daily Wire, we know Because we know these people privately, and we know how much better they are privately off air, you know?
We know that, you know, there's things that they will not say on air.
And that, to me, personally, is the greatest sin you can commit, really.
Because that, for me, it's tickling up to bearing false witness.
Because lying in formal context is like kind of lying in a broadcast, you know, about what you really believe, you know, for a monetary gain.
unidentified
Please.
milo yiannopolous
And there's a distinction, I think, between, for instance, this show and people like that.
Because, like, Tim, I would describe, if someone asked me, as kind of center-right.
And, you know, he plays between the lines in order to maintain a successful and a significant and a big presence, which is something that I wouldn't be able to do.
tim pool
That is incorrect.
milo yiannopolous
Well, I'm not trying to offend you.
I'm trying to compliment you.
tim pool
No, no, no, but let me counter just...
milo yiannopolous
Okay, then let's talk about vaccines.
tim pool
Let's counter on this point.
I'm teasing you.
Because Destiny was lying about me claiming I pushed vaccine conspiracies.
milo yiannopolous
I know that.
I know that.
tim pool
My point is not to...
milo yiannopolous
To the end, you're going to get a compliment.
tim pool
It's fine.
My point is not to say you're wrong.
My point is to say, if we went hard line in one direction, our viewership would be larger.
milo yiannopolous
Maybe, but...
tim pool
It's clear when you look at all of the biggest shows.
milo yiannopolous
Maybe, but it wouldn't be monetized.
And that's my point.
So the point is this.
I respect what you do, and I have always been grateful to you, for instance, for having me on when it wasn't always easy.
For having me on when...
And you've done that with other guests, too.
And I think the way in which you demonstrate courage is having people on earlier than others do.
And you've done it with me, and I've always been grateful for it, okay?
I think that...
So there was your compliment.
unidentified
You could have just waited for it.
milo yiannopolous
But what other people do, which I find intolerable, is they present themselves as the bleeding edge of commentary or as the warriors on the front lines of whatever.
And in fact, they are censoring 90% of what they say versus, you know, what happens here, which is like, all you have to do is kind of be a grown-up.
unidentified
You know?
On this show, like, the worst that happens is you sort of have to be, like, talk like you would if there was a child in the room.
milo yiannopolous
Which is no great sacrifice, right?
It's a big difference, you know?
tim pool
You gave us one of the best insults of all time, in fact, when, before the show, it was like, it wasn't the last time you were on us before that, I said, Milo, just keep it academic.
Academic insults are funnier and they're acceptable.
And so you wrote down no personal invective with a sad face from...
But then you described Ron DeSantis as something off-putting, like when you reach for something but accidentally touch something moist, like a wet sponge.
milo yiannopolous
Yes, yes.
tim pool
And it was very good.
milo yiannopolous
Somebody asked me the other day about Ted Cruz, and I remarked something similar, which is that there's something amphibian about him, as though he sleeps underwater and lays eggs in the reeds.
You know?
As though he lays eggs in the reeds.
If Ted Cruz were to reproduce, it would be in the form of tadpoles.
That's the kind of thing you want, isn't it?
tim pool
You're funnier!
unidentified
Well, some people say it.
Some people like the C word.
milo yiannopolous
There are other shows for that.
tim pool
It's the members only show.
milo yiannopolous
We'll get there.
I was trying to compliment you by saying that I think that you have a family-friendly mainstream appeal show that can actually make you a living unlike the majority of most of us.
And you show your courage through the people you bring on, right?
unidentified
Which I think is great.
What I can't stand...
milo yiannopolous
Is people who present themselves as these sort of brave warriors throwing themselves under the bus.
I think the bravest thing you can do is to...
Say something awful that shocks people, that blows open the fire doors, that opens the space up for others to follow because you create through that, the blood you spill becomes a kind of baptismal nectar that christens a generation of warriors behind you.
shane cashman
That's why Kanye is so great.
milo yiannopolous
And that's why I loved working for him so much, because that's exactly what Ye does, exactly what Kanye West does.
And I think we had something of a meeting of the minds in that regard.
And people respect that, and they really appreciate that.
And some of your viewers may have noticed...
A piece in the Hollywood Reporter.
I'm profiled in a print edition of the Hollywood Reporter, which is very nice.
By the way, I have my Blaze band lifted as well.
I must be really screwing up because I think I'm becoming socially acceptable again.
elad eliahu
Mainstream.
milo yiannopolous
No, no.
I mean, five Blaze shows in a row.
I'm like, what did I do?
I'm sorry.
elad eliahu
Fox News next.
milo yiannopolous
No, no.
elad eliahu
Never.
milo yiannopolous
I mean...
When they call.
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Some of you will know this.
I try to do things.
I think I describe myself This is sort of Jack Bauer who has to be disavowed officially but gets the job done privately.
And I was very happy to be called by a member of the Trump family on election night to thank me for my work getting rid of...
tim pool
Let me pull this story up real quick so I can set it up.
milo yiannopolous
Sure, sure.
tim pool
So we have this story from The Hollywood Reporter.
They say, the Milo Yiannopoulos makeover, the alt-rights fallen poster boy is back for Trump 2.0.
Then the story...
milo yiannopolous
It's my Tim Pool era.
tim pool
It's a profile.
shane cashman
I picked a heck of a picture of you, Milo.
tim pool
They say this.
milo yiannopolous
I'm going to rebrand myself as Milo IRL. Let me read this for you.
tim pool
This is praise of Milo.
Just before midnight on November 5th, Milo Yiannopoulos' phone rang.
On the horn from West Palm Beach, says a source familiar with the matter, was a member of Donald Trump's family.
The caller would soon take the stage at Mar-a-Lago, beaming on stage alongside the president.
God bless USA, blasted across the room full of supporters.
But first, they wanted to personally thank Milo for helping the campaign smear once-useful idiots.
Allies no longer wanted in Trump's orbit, he says.
Call if indeed it happened as described, which when Yiannopoulos is concerned is never a given.
I mean, they're not wrong.
They're not wrong.
They're not wrong.
And they mention that this was...
Where do they mention this?
milo yiannopolous
Right at the very end.
It's a very long profile.
It's a very long, lavish, loving profile.
unidentified
Is it the small...
milo yiannopolous
If you just keep going...
tim pool
I see here.
It says, Yiannopoulos published what he purported to be Loomer's history of mental health issues, and poof, went her access to the present elect's inner circle.
As slippery as Yiannopoulos can be, he can deliver.
This is Tarantula's sales pitch, after all.
And if the business takes off, expect to see such tactics multiplied by the number of clients on his roster, official or not.
So what is the claim they're making that you did?
milo yiannopolous
Slippery.
It's only because I'm so well moisturized.
Post-Kanye, I have started a talent management agency to look after other difficult mercurial stars.
It's called Tarantula.
I've never really done this on a show before, but I'm going to be shameless this evening.
By the way...
No, trnt.la.
You can go to Tarantula and you can see our extraordinary past client list, which I'm sure that Tim is going to be kind enough to throw up on screen, trnt.la.
And so we do a lot of talent management, but we also do what I would describe as retribution as a service.
tim pool
So it's like Norm Macdonald in Dirty Work?
milo yiannopolous
Yeah.
So every appalling...
tim pool
That movie was awesome.
milo yiannopolous
Every appalling, underhanded, disgraceful, disgusting, and oh my gosh, how can a human being do this to another human being?
That's me.
tim pool
The United Nations was a client?
milo yiannopolous
Of my partner.
So there's three general partners of the firm.
Bianca Jacob is one of mine, believe it or not.
So anyway, so we have our previous client list scrolling gracefully across the screen.
shane cashman
XXX is dead.
What happened there?
milo yiannopolous
Well, I was an advisor of his immediately before he died.
elad eliahu
George and Laura Bush.
shane cashman
Wow.
milo yiannopolous
That's my political partner.
tim pool
William Jefferson Clinton.
milo yiannopolous
My political partner again.
Wow.
Yeah.
So we have five presidents among the three of us that we have worked for, including the current one.
Well, the one to be, I mean.
And, you know, Azealia Banks and Kanye West and XXXTentacion when he was alive and I was in Florida helping.
You know, that was sort of 2016-ish kind of period when he was becoming a bit of one of those.
So I was working for him a little bit.
So, yeah, I mean, I worked for Bianca Jagger, believe it or not.
A bunch of other interesting people.
Azealia Banks lasted about three weeks as a client.
shane cashman
I'm shocked.
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, a stunner.
So retribution as a service side of things is when a useful Lydia has outlived their usefulness, for instance, Nick Fuentes or Laura Luma, I will occasionally be called and offered vast sums of money to get rid of them.
By who?
That must remain a matter for me and the family.
So one of those things is if you missed the beginning of this show, you'll have missed me brandishing the complete wit and wisdom of Nicholas J. Fuentes.
Lovingly compiled by mentor and role model, Mylonopoulos.
And this is my new book.
tim pool
Your book has some endorsements, you were saying.
milo yiannopolous
Oh, thank you for reminding me.
Yes, so it's got some blurbs.
I'm going to read you the blurbs.
First of all, I'll read you the back cover.
So the back cover says, Lovingly compiled over a decade by his role model, mentor, and inspiration, Mylonopoulos.
This book is an exhaustive intellectual history of the America First movement.
Its wisdom and wit eloquently expressed in the words of its leader, Nick Fuentes.
Complete and unabridged, this volume contains every brilliant thought Nick has ever expressed.
Together with all of his best jokes, it's a perfect gift for the Groyper in your life.
The complete wit and wisdom of Nicholas J. Fuentes will be treasured by the whole family for years to come.
tim pool
You actually got these quotes from high-profile people?
milo yiannopolous
Well, that's my blurb about my book.
tim pool
No, I know.
milo yiannopolous
I'm going to read you now.
I've got to do it on the phone.
I'm terribly sorry for the...
Here are the blurbs for the book.
unidentified
Let's look.
milo yiannopolous
Tucker Carlson, if you thought Dangerous was a page turner, you won't believe how fast you'll get through this.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, a perfect portrait of the mind of Nicholas Fuentes.
Raw Egg Nationalist, the great Raw Egg Nationalist says, left me feeling empty.
And Laura Trump says, I have no worries.
So if you are interested, it'll be out in a couple of days.
A couple of days on Amazon and everywhere else.
I'm sorry it wasn't available today.
But it'll be out soon.
Lovely colour.
Features of Swanky Notebook.
shane cashman
Are you going to show us what's inside?
milo yiannopolous
Well, I'd like to keep the contents, I think, for buyers, except to tell you one story, which is I set the record straight about that infamous dinner.
That infamous dinner at Mar-a-Lago.
So I do set the record straight about that infamous dinner at Mar-a-Lago.
So...
You'll remember it because there was an ill-fated, although very highly viewed, I note, a Timcast episode in which my old boss, Kanye West, unfortunately decided the interview was over quite early into the episode after Tim had been very generous and kind to us in all kinds of ways.
And I was like, oh, no.
So, please don't, please don't.
But, of course, you know, when you're working for somebody, you've got to follow the boss out the door, for which I apologise.
But...
So, the dinner at Mar-a-Lago, if you recall that, where I sort of took credit for making the president's life difficult, I do set the record straight, and I would like to again now, which is that...
Immediately after being cancelled, immediately after losing Adidas and his bank account and the rest of it, Ye hired me to rebuild his company.
So I ran Yeezy first as political director and then as chief of staff for two years.
It's a multi-billion dollar, multinational fashion and music brand.
I was like, really?
You want me and George?
But I turned out to be good at it.
I actually murdered it.
He really didn't have any staff to speak of at all.
I booked his ticket.
He flew commercial and his tickets were on my credit card because he didn't have a working credit card to go meet Donald Trump for dinner.
A dinner that was long planned and I couldn't make it and he took Nick Fuentes, unfortunately.
And I thought, well, what am I going to do?
So I called a political operative in Florida who is very well connected, works for five presidents, so on and so forth, called Karen Giorno, to try to grease the wheels a little bit, to sort of smooth it all over.
And so she picked them up at the airport, they went to the airport, and the rest of it.
And after that dinner had happened, and the Nick Fuentes-like thing had kind of blown up, Ye got a bit spooked about blowing his relationship up forever with Trump.
So I kind of took the fall for it.
I fell on my sword and I said, it was me.
unidentified
I was trying to get back at Trump for not recognizing me after the election.
milo yiannopolous
It was a very plausible lie because I did kind of feel like that.
And I took the rap for it.
But the real story is that Ye asked me...
What's going to really leave a dent?
unidentified
What's going to leave a mark?
And I'm like, I don't know, take Fuentes.
milo yiannopolous
That'll do it.
So anyway, this poor woman, Karen Giorno, who I know, she's basically the person you call in Florida if you want to get somebody who's not in the usual Mar-a-Lago circle into the circle and sort of smoothly move through that environment.
So I called her and I said, could you pick up Kanye West at the airport and drive him to dinner?
unidentified
And I didn't tell her that Nick Fuentes was in the car.
milo yiannopolous
And so anyway, there's a lot more to that, and I'll leave it for...
elad eliahu
Can I follow up with you something on there?
Because it's sort of like in this quote, but first they wanted to personally thank Mila for helping with the campaign, smear once useful idiots and no longer Trump allies.
Isn't it odd?
Because it sounds like you brought Nick Fuentes to the dinner and you're taking care of a problem that you helped make for Trump.
milo yiannopolous
That's probably true.
Although what...
elad eliahu
It's like, thanks for taking out the garbage that you threw in my campaign.
milo yiannopolous
Well, it was nice enough for them to call and say thank you.
But what they're really talking about...
You must really hate me.
What they're really talking about was Laura Loomer.
Laura Loomer...
Laura Loomer...
Why was she brought in to begin with?
Completely insane.
And Laura was brought on into the campaign by Jason Miller, who is that sort of frog-faced, useless bag of...
Never mind, but...
Jason Miller has done nothing but make it more difficult for Trump to win since he was brought into the inner circle.
But he's either got something on Trump or he brings money in.
I don't know which one it is.
unidentified
Nobody does.
milo yiannopolous
But Jason Miller and Boris Epstein, who's the head of Trump's legal thing, these are the two guys that were kind of like, oh, yeah, Laura Lee.
Maybe Laura Looma.
And so she gets on the plane and then Laura Looma claims to a bunch of people in Palm Beach, all of her friends around in Miami, that she had performed.
tim pool
Family Friendly.
milo yiannopolous
Huh?
elad eliahu
I was going to say a sex act!
tim pool
There you go.
elad eliahu
She alleged this.
She alleged to people she was spreading those...
milo yiannopolous
Listen, I love you and I try to take care of you.
Do you know how difficult it is for me to talk like this on your show?
Do you know how hard this is?
unidentified
A members-only show, I'll say, we'll go off.
milo yiannopolous
Or whatever it is.
You know, it's been so long since I had sex.
I did it a long way.
unidentified
I did it like that.
I was just completely wrong.
milo yiannopolous
No, she claimed that she had performed a sex act.
On the president to a lot of her friends.
And this, I was like, okay, all right, okay.
So I got a call from somebody and they said, we need to get rid of her.
The president wants to get rid of her, but he doesn't want to be the one to do it because she's crazy.
So we don't want her turning on the president because so many people, so many followers and everything.
So my job was to bring things about Laura to light that made her...
Ineligible to, you know, be on the plane and around the present circle.
So, for instance, she's not Jewish.
She made it up.
A friend of mine was there when she did it.
She ordered a Star of David necklace off the internet so that she could be ruder about Jews on stage at a rally in 2018.
elad eliahu
Laura Loomer isn't Jewish?
milo yiannopolous
She's not Jewish.
She's the only person in history.
elad eliahu
Wait, so what's the...
milo yiannopolous
She's the only person in history.
I submitted her for the Guinness Book of Records because she's the only person in history who's ever had a nose job to look more Jewish.
It's the most amazing thing you've ever heard in your life.
But I also...
elad eliahu
I've never heard that about her before.
milo yiannopolous
She's not actually Jewish.
elad eliahu
And when she even ran for Congress, that never came up.
milo yiannopolous
Right.
When she was...
Well, that's because I was a communications director.
But no, when...
unidentified
Sorry, I'm sorry.
elad eliahu
It sounds like things went sour with Laura and you guys have a lot of bad blood and you sank her as a result of that.
Am I reading this right?
milo yiannopolous
People do pay me a lot of money to clean up my own messes.
I'm just realizing this now.
Anyway, so when Laura was going to give a talk to the Republican Jewish Palm Beach Coalition or whatever it is, she drew what she thought was the Star of David on the folder she was holding her speech in, the speech I had just written for her.
Except it wasn't a Star of David.
It was a pentagram.
And I said, Laura, darling, can I have that folder back?
And she's like, why?
I'm on the way out.
I've got a speech to give.
I said, yeah, I know you've got a speech to give.
unidentified
I just wrote it.
milo yiannopolous
Can I just say, what, what, what?
And I said, well, you've written that?
She's like, yes, yes, it's a star.
It's a Jewish, Jewish.
I want to speak to a Jewish.
But it's it.
It's a pentagram.
I said, what do you mean it's a pentagram?
I said, well, that's the Satanism thing.
That's five stars.
The Jewish star has six stars.
And I had to draw on a whiteboard the difference and ask her to copy it, and she couldn't copy the two.
unidentified
People will say, because there's no difference.
milo yiannopolous
But you couldn't copy it.
So this is the first clue.
Thank you.
This is the first clue I had something was wrong.
Anyway, and the second thing that I released was that, in addition to her...
elad eliahu
That's what sank her among Trump?
milo yiannopolous
No, no.
What really sank her among Trump is he hates plastic surgery, and he wondered why she looked so weird.
And when I told them it's because she'd had so many procedures, Trump is kind of a bit repulsed by plastic surgery.
unidentified
That's the real thing that sank her.
milo yiannopolous
But the other thing that I did that expelled her from the circle to the great applause and thanks of the campaign and his whole family was that I revealed the real reason she can't own a gun.
So Laura Looma says that she can't own a gun or have an open carry license in California because the FBI is targeting her for being a conservative.
But I have a letter from them, which I acquired, which in fact says it's because her own father had her committed in what we in California call a 5150, a forcible psych hold, twice.
And that's why she's not allowed to own a gun, because she's mental.
And so the headline was, why can't Laura Looma own a gun?
I asked the FBI, comma, and her dad Jeff.
And I got her dad to like...
unidentified
I flipped her dad.
tim pool
I do want to make sure we get to this story.
milo yiannopolous
Sorry, no, I'm done.
unidentified
I'm done.
I'm done.
tim pool
We have about 10 minutes before Super Chat, so let's jump to the story from Newsweek.
Chinese ships suspected of undersea cable sabotage detained in NATO Lake.
This is where things get pretty crazy.
So already, Europe is preparing for World War III, they say.
They've mobilized 800,000 NATO troops.
They're giving out pamphlets in some Baltic states saying, prepare for war.
Here's how you need to do it.
Russia has, of course, updated their nuclear doctrine to lower the threshold.
Then we saw two undersea cables severed.
We got a great call from one of our members last night who said, is this possibly a precursor to a larger escalation of war?
Because destruction of communications tends to be the first move.
Now they have detained a Chinese vessel, which, let's hope it's not the case, could implicate China involving them in a greater conflict.
Newsweek says a Chinese vessel has been implicated in what has been described as the sabotage of undersea telecom cables in the Baltic Sea.
International concerns surround the cutting of the 730 mile Sea Lion 1 cable connecting Finland and Germany and the 130 mile link between Sweden and Lithuania on Monday.
German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius described the incentives as hybrid actions, while the Swedish and Lithuanian counterparts said they were deeply concerned.
milo yiannopolous
Is it okay if I go for a tinkle?
tim pool
It is absolutely okay.
milo yiannopolous
Because I don't care at all about this.
tim pool
Well, all right.
Excuse me.
Then I'll ask Elad.
elad eliahu
World War III. Fortunately...
tim pool
Don't close the door.
Okay, good.
elad eliahu
I believe, fortunately...
unidentified
He closed the door!
tim pool
You were saying?
elad eliahu
I don't think so.
Not in the near term.
I think a lot of people...
Putin's holding off on making any moves until Trump gets into office.
But no, I think there's just some asymmetric sort of warfare that we will have a tough time giving a like-kind response against.
I don't think we're going to go inside and start damaging cables.
shane cashman
What other weird thing happened?
tim pool
But I mean, if China is involved in assisting Russia with severing or destroying communications, it has huge implications.
It very well may be a Chinese ship dragging an anchor, I guess, is what their argument was.
I hope that's the case, but I'm not convinced.
phil labonte
So I'm actually more concerned with the change in Russia's nuclear policy than with this communication.
Because this is possibly an accident, possibly something that wasn't intentional.
Whereas the official change in Russia's nuclear policy, that is specifically in response to Ukraine using U.S.-made weapons, likely using U.S. intelligence to help the strike.
These are very accurate weapons, so it's possibly also the US helping select targets.
In any other context, if it were a context where someone did this to the United States, it would 100% be looked at as the country that the attack came from and where the weapons came from.
It would be considered an act of war.
I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson on the way in today, and they were talking about how the politics in Russia are very different from here, and that Putin, if he doesn't, that he has to remain, he has to look a certain way to the Russian people.
Russians and Americans are not the same people.
The culture is very different.
And the politics are also very different.
As much as Putin does have a pretty solid grip on the country, there is a possibility of him being overthrown.
There's a possibility of him being killed, just like he likely tossed that dancer out of a building today.
Or not today, a couple days ago or whatever.
So, I mean, that kind of politics is a real thing.
And Putin's not insulated from that...
Entirely.
It's less likely that he's going to be targeted, but it's possible that he could be killed.
So he could end up being in a situation where if he looks weak...
elad eliahu
He has to continue the war.
phil labonte
Yeah, if he looks weak, then he could get off.
So if that's the case...
I mean, he might be in a position where he has to escalate the war, you know?
Especially if there's more than one strike.
This strike may be able to be overlooked, but not continued.
tim pool
You don't think potential Chinese involvement is substantially more worrying?
milo yiannopolous
What a lovely toilet.
phil labonte
Of course.
unidentified
It's great, right?
milo yiannopolous
You've got the most remarkable latrine.
tim pool
Sam Seder broke it.
And I'm not trying to rag at the guy.
milo yiannopolous
It doesn't surprise me.
tim pool
He said on the show, and I was surprised he brought it up, and I was like, he said, sorry about your toilet, and I was like, okay.
milo yiannopolous
No, I've got to tell you, I live in a 22-room Travertine marble mansion in Los Angeles.
It belongs to a friend of mine.
It's pink marble and it's very finely pointed, but we don't have a toilet as nice as...
It is, it is, it is.
It's marvelous, but we don't have a toilet as nice as yours.
tim pool
It was like a couple hundred bucks.
elad eliahu
Tim, I think the thing here is plausible deniability that's coming from the Chinese.
So they could say, hey, we used an anchor to do it.
And then same with hitting boats in the Philippines.
We didn't do this on purpose.
tim pool
I get it.
My point for Phil was I understand what you were saying about Putin and all that stuff.
My concern is if there's insinuated or evident Chinese involvement in conflict in Eastern Europe, we're overnight.
It's gradually, then suddenly, boom, World War III. Absolutely.
phil labonte
And to be honest with you, if there is going to be any kind of kinetic action, it is likely to be in the interim before President Trump is inaugurated.
shane cashman
There's a pattern of sabotage in the Baltic Sea because this is the same place as the Nord Stream pipeline.
elad eliahu
Yeah, if the Nord Stream didn't get us into World War III, I don't know about some cables.
tim pool
Yeah, but Germany accused Ukraine of doing that.
elad eliahu
Yeah, and I think there was evidence that eventually came out that...
tim pool
You were some Ukrainian guy who blew up Nord Stream.
elad eliahu
Likely with U.S. involvement.
I doubt they could do it without U.S. involvement.
tim pool
Germany accused the Ukrainian guy of blowing up Nord Stream, too.
And so when that happened, I was shocked and I said...
This country is an enemy of the United States.
They're actively trying to drag us into World War III, bombing a pipeline to our major allies in Europe.
The left removed that context and says Tim Pool called Ukraine an enemy.
And I'm like, yeah, why don't you include the part where Germany has accused them of bombing the gas pipeline that's supplying fuel to Western Europe?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That's not an act of allyship for the United States.
That's blowing up our energy resources.
elad eliahu
To make the argument, I do think it was within the American interest to not have a pipeline going from Russia to Germany.
Because that allows their leverage, by the way.
tim pool
So your argument is that NATO, that the United States violated NATO. You're saying that the United States acted with subterfuge to damage NATO nations that we are allied with.
elad eliahu
I think the United States definitely had knowledge.
The reason why this war started is in part because Russia and Germany and so many Europeans are dependent on Russian oil.
Trump has actually talked about this when he was president in the past, and now the fruits are coming to bear.
Leverage that Russia holds over the Europeans is all through gas, and that's why they're less likely to get involved.
tim pool
But the issue is, the US has been trying to offset Russian gas supply into Europe to lower the costs.
Destroying a pipeline increases how much Russia can charge through Gazprom, through the Ukrainian pipelines.
So bombing of Nord Stream 2 helped Russia, like, maintain control.
And it created a higher priority and more important on the existing gas lines they already control.
elad eliahu
I think it forces Russians to now sell oil and pennies on the dollar to the Chinese now because they are unable to export as much oil and gas to the Europeans.
That's what we want to force them to do.
tim pool
Why would they have to sell pennies on the dollar?
Well, they have been to China.
I know, because they have to make money and they're under sanctions.
But Germany is going to have a harder time pulling in natural gas now with Nord Stream getting bombed.
And Russia is going to say, we're 20% of the supply.
You've got to pay...
I understand they're both coming to Russia.
elad eliahu
This is consequences for Germany deciding to make their gas and oil reliant on Russia.
Totally their fault, and they're dealing with the consequences of poor political decisions at their top echelon from a decade ago.
tim pool
Sounds like your view is, I'm not saying you're wrong, is that Germany is a vassal of the United States.
elad eliahu
They're an ally.
They're under our demand.
tim pool
They're not an ally if we're bombing their energy sources.
If you think the United States directed a Ukrainian...
milo yiannopolous
Germany has aspired for some time to occupy the position.
And I think it's an unbreakable partnership, like blacks and the Democrat Party between the UK and the US. And Germany has sometimes sought to occupy that position, never made much progress there.
But it's certainly true that they have wished that they had that relationship.
tim pool
And again, I'm not saying you're wrong.
It would be that these European states are basically vassals of the United States.
And I'm not saying it's wrong.
It's actually probably true.
elad eliahu
I think it's part of a larger partnership.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, look, any NATO member, to some degree, could be considered a vassal of the United States because the United States is funding their defense.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
But I mean, like, you act out of line and we blow up your gas pipeline.
unidentified
Right.
elad eliahu
Every country on the planet Earth is therefore a vassal state.
You stand bottom line and we're blowing you up.
tim pool
You're true with that, but if they are acting underneath the orders and instructions of NATO and the United States, and then if they get out of line, we bomb them, that treaty signifies that they are a subjugated nation.
elad eliahu
Most of our allies are the junior partners.
tim pool
To be fair, we've occupied Germany since World War II. We liberated.
Yes, liberated.
elad eliahu
Liberated Germany.
shane cashman
There are theories that NATO was behind...
milo yiannopolous
Eisenhower really liberated millions of Germans he murdered.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I think we did liberate all of Europe, and the reason why we shouldn't pull back on that allyship that we have with them is because we don't want to have to come and rescue Europe again in another 40 years when they screw everything up between their balance of power.
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, definitely Europe where the problems are right now.
tim pool
Well, so we're going to wake up to World War III, or what's going to happen?
elad eliahu
No, everybody's holding off till Trump gets in at least and then things will be calmer.
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, they'll suck it up even if Biden kills, you know, a bunch of people he shouldn't.
They'll suck it up because they know Trump's coming in and they know there's no point.
tim pool
There's a fear though that the current administration, I wouldn't call it Biden, is trying to escalate things to make it impossible for Trump to de-escalate.
phil labonte
Lincoln hates Russia.
milo yiannopolous
It's never gonna be impossible for Trump to de-escalate, okay?
Trump is a generationally historic figure who perhaps there hasn't been somebody...
I don't think there's been anybody since maybe even Lincoln who has so completely and entirely embodied what it means to be America, whose fate is entwined with Americans.
shane cashman
Teddy Roosevelt.
milo yiannopolous
Who has become...
shane cashman
Come on now.
elad eliahu
Modern day neocon.
That's what they'd call him.
If Teddy Roosevelt was around right now, they'd call him a neocon.
milo yiannopolous
Think about the manner in which Trump's fate is entwined with America's.
He didn't just say, I feel your pain, to his voters.
He took most of it on.
He shouldered it by bearing the brunt of the attacks from the left, by getting all of the lawfare, by becoming the...
Trump is a shorthand for everything that the Democrats hate about Republican voters, right?
Exactly.
And this is what I was trying to get at when I was on last time when we were talking about DeSantis and Trump.
And I was proven so spectacularly correct.
Because Trump is now indistinguishable from America.
unidentified
Right.
milo yiannopolous
And what was so brilliant about his stint at McDonald's was that it combined the eccentricity that you expect from an avuncular figure.
Because he's gone from daddy that he was in 2016 to more like pater patriae, father of the nation.
More like an avuncular kind of mythological.
Yes, exactly.
Trump has become mythological.
You read my tweet, didn't you?
Trump has become something greater than just an elected official.
He's become a stand-in for what it means to be America.
phil labonte
And so he's going to be like, he's a part of Americana now.
milo yiannopolous
Exactly.
And, you know, when he does this McDonald's thing, and you have the eccentricities, like, untouched by human hands, because that's, of course, what he worries about, because he's like a germaphobe, whatever.
But he's also there, he's there as the, you know, America, that's how America, that's how everybody sees America, is powerful, Slightly ridiculous, but awesome, right?
That's pretty much how everyone sees America, right?
Strong, a bit silly, but ultimately pretty great, you know?
Or at least that's the best version of America.
The best version of America that's ever been, you know, and now we're getting a little bit back to that.
There's no world...
I mean, no one is going to war with the guy that walked across the demilitarized zone and shook hands with Kim Jong-un.
Nobody is going to war with the guy that Putin fears, because he knows that Trump will push the button, right?
Nobody's going to war with Trump.
Nobody.
And that means that nobody's going to go to war with a president-elect Trump either.
I don't think it's going to happen.
tim pool
This is what I like about Trump.
milo yiannopolous
I believe it.
tim pool
There's...
You know, I was talking about a business deal I was in about seven or eight years ago, and what's traditional in the industry is they said- Is it with Russia?
No.
unidentified
I'm just kidding.
tim pool
It's with a New York-based network.
unidentified
I'm joking.
tim pool
And the way they say that these typical deals work is, and you know this probably in Hollywood, they give you a contract.
They call it boilerplate.
It stabs a knife in your back, and you've got to hire a lawyer to go through it and rip out all the evil.
milo yiannopolous
And it's not just that, but there's a hierarchy of knives waiting to stab you in the back at every moment.
unidentified
So if you dodge this one, the other one gets I go to this meeting.
tim pool
They say, here's what we want to do.
It's fantastic.
We'll email you the contract.
I say, sounds good.
I look at it.
I read it.
I laugh.
And I say, are you nuts?
And then I respond to the email saying, I appreciate it, but this contract is not serious.
It hands over IP. It hands over ownership.
That's a ridiculous thing for you to have asked me for.
And...
Amend it.
They said, send it to your lawyers, redline it, and send it back.
I responded with, if you think you're going to put a $5,000 legal bill on me to try and do a business deal, I will not be entering business with someone like you.
And I said, kindly, F off.
milo yiannopolous
But this is what everyone else has done.
I mean, look at the Wilkes Brothers system, okay?
tim pool
But right, my point is simply this.
Sorry, just to finish.
This is what I like about Trump so much, and when you say he would push the button.
There are very few people that I've met that I respect who would be willing to say, I will...
Crash my own car before I would ever bend my knee to you.
Donald Trump is the guy who says to Putin, I will nuke you before I let you win.
And Putin's like, he might.
milo yiannopolous
So this is called the Madman Doctrine.
And the Madman Doctrine was most notably deployed by Nixon.
And Nixon's thought was, if I make people think that I'm crazy and I'll do pretty much anything, people will be too afraid to start SHI, you know what?
And he was right about that.
And it was very effective.
Madman theory or the Madman doctrine is why Trump behaves like he does, which a lot of his critics don't understand, which is, if you think, and I guess I'm a student of this too, if you think somebody will do literally anything...
You cannot predict how they will retaliate.
And for the slightest of perceived insults, they might retaliate with massive, brutal punishment, which is typically how I like to operate.
You just don't go there.
It's not worth it.
There's just no point risking that.
But to your point about the contracts, interesting thing happening in media at the moment.
All of the people who took those deals are beginning to fall and fade.
Nobody talks about Ben Shapiro anymore.
Candace Owens has gone completely crazy.
All of those big – the people who took advantage of the censored and the canceled in 2017, who kind of – you might say stole our audiences.
Those guys, you know, the Wilkes Brothers and the, you know, whatever...
So the Wilkes Brothers are Texan billionaires who have funded most of the worst people in conservative media.
You know, the sort of people who are rabid Zionists, even by Republican standards.
Drop some names.
Well, I just did.
You know, The Daily Wire, Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro.
elad eliahu
What do you think's crazy about Candace Owens?
Rabid Zionist, I mean.
milo yiannopolous
Well, she's gone the opposite way now because she's left and because she was...
It's a bit more complicated.
I'll get to that.
So she started off that way.
She's a creation of the Daily Wire, okay?
And she started off a Zionist, all right?
That's when they were funding her.
Now they're not.
You understand the difference?
Okay.
elad eliahu
But you called her crazy, so what is she crazy about now?
milo yiannopolous
Well, because she's gone off the ball into conspiracy theory because she no longer has a producer and she's started to make her own decisions, which is always a mistake for somebody who's never read a book.
elad eliahu
Fact check, true.
milo yiannopolous
Candice.
No, she's never forgiven me because I roasted her in front of many of, well, actually all of the richest Jews in Palm Beach.
tim pool
We do got to go to Super Chats.
milo yiannopolous
Sure, I'll be quick, I'll be quick.
The thing that's happening in media that's interesting, I think, is that all of the people who took those kinds of deals are falling or fading, right?
The people who gave their IP, gave their whatever.
So if you think of it like this, you have the Mercer ecosystem, which is Bannon, Breitbart, me, Tucker, and Trump.
And then you have the Wilkes Brothers ecosystem, which is the Daily Wire and all of the kind of like hyper-Zionist Prager, right?
Those people are all kind of like faltering at the moment, the people who took those kinds of deals.
And the people who didn't are starting to like spark up a little bit.
The reason Candice is in the trouble she's in is she got lured out of the safe environments of the Daily Wire, independent, and then lured into a variety of crazy positions by Nick Fuentes, who told her...
We got you.
I'm going to give you access to my gigantic audience.
And it turned out there was no gigantic audience because he's botted to buggery.
Just like all of the other Wilkes Brothers entities, they fake it till they make it.
Ben Shapiro did this.
She did this.
Nick Frenzel is attempting to do it just without the money, which is going to be a very, very nasty end for him.
But she's been lured out of this.
The point being this.
There's an opening now.
There is a huge market opportunity now for people who said, no.
And I did the same thing.
I was brought into WME and they gave me the same offer they gave you.
And I said, no.
There's a huge market opportunity now as all of those people who astroturfed their way to supposed fame, to like number one podcasts, none of their listeners are real.
None of their advertisers are not getting what they paid for.
The listeners aren't real.
The viewers aren't real.
The book purchasers aren't real.
All their books are...
I don't know if you know this, but when you write a book...
The books that I write are actually popular for politicians and whatnot.
If you are an unpopular person, you can pay about $500,000 to a firm that will buy loads of copies of your book in various different places to game the New York Times algorithm to make you a New York Times bestselling author.
It costs about half a million on a good week.
A million if there's another good book out.
All the people who did this, who have burned through millions, are now all kind of like fading out of the conversation.
So there's a big moment happening.
The reason I'm making such a big deal that I was talking about this for so long is...
Right now is the moment.
If you are an up-and-coming or an enthusiastic conservative podcaster or a wannabe host or you want to be somebody like Tim or you want to be somebody like whatever, now is the moment.
Because there is a huge widening of the market at this exact point in time with Trump's election and with the fall and fade of all of the previous gatekeepers and kingpins.
There is a massive opportunity right now and a huge empty space, a massive open playing field for you to just buy Azure MV7+, plug it into your laptop, get a simple camera and become really big and really wealthy.
tim pool
We've got to go to Super Chat.
So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know, and go to TimCast.com right now.
Click join us, become a member.
We're going to have an uncensored show in about 20 minutes.
Now, I've seen some people have signed up on YouTube memberships.
That is totally different, so let me clarify for those that are listening.
TimCast.com, separate website.
You click Join Us or sign up.
You become a member, $10 a month, and then we're going to have that members-only show on the front page of the site.
You'll see it in a little window.
It'll say Uncensored, 10 p.m.
Let's grab some Super Chats.
milo yiannopolous
Before we do that, where did you get this from, this shearling denim thing?
elad eliahu
Ralph Lauren.
Alright, super chats.
milo yiannopolous
Oh dear.
tim pool
So the first super chat is wonderful.
It says, from CricketSmile, Asterion from Baldur's Gate 3 is on Timcast tonight.
So why don't I just, let's see if I can pull up anything from Asterion.
Have you seen any of this?
milo yiannopolous
Yes, the developer who sent me it.
I think he says darling a lot.
tim pool
He certainly does.
See if we can get some interaction.
unidentified
I heard it in the first syllable.
milo yiannopolous
And our bodies react.
tim pool
They had this guy listen to you speak.
There's no other way.
milo yiannopolous
People think the biggest threat to a vampire is a character with a...
unidentified
Oh, man.
tim pool
Here we go.
unidentified
I don't even remember his own face.
tim pool
Come on.
I don't care about...
unidentified
He's evil at all.
tim pool
I don't want to hear this person talk.
unidentified
He's a complex character.
tim pool
I want to hear...
Here we go.
milo yiannopolous
If you just get into...
tim pool
Oh, this is the guy.
milo yiannopolous
...are going to go to town, but this...
unidentified
Soon, there'll be mods letting you have sex with all kinds of different animals.
No...
milo yiannopolous
They could have just hired me to do it.
phil labonte
They could have.
That would have been the proper thing to do.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
What is this?
unidentified
What is this?
tim pool
Oh, come on.
TikTok.
unidentified
Sacrifice.
milo yiannopolous
I suggest virgins.
Young.
unidentified
Sacrifice.
milo yiannopolous
I suggest virgins.
tim pool
These are awful.
Is there no YouTube video with just...
phil labonte
It's like you just...
You know, I've been spent...
unidentified
I already know about us.
I'm the most powerful vampire in the realm!
I don't know why.
I just think it's adorable.
milo yiannopolous
I'm the most powerful vampire in the realms!
Yeah, okay.
unidentified
All right.
I get it.
milo yiannopolous
I hear it.
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
Let's see what we got.
Let's see.
unidentified
Bastards!
tim pool
Which one's Myrtle Snow?
I don't know.
milo yiannopolous
The one that reminds me of me is the nurse in Grotesquerie on FX at the moment.
If anyone's seen that.
tim pool
I will stress...
You know, I get Baldur's Gate 3, like, right when it comes out, download it, I play it, within a few minutes, you meet Asterion, and I was like, holy crap, I'm texting people being like, dude, are you seeing this?
milo yiannopolous
No, they told me, they told me.
tim pool
They, like, they modeled this character after you.
milo yiannopolous
Many such cases.
You know, I don't like to toot my own horn, as anybody who knows me will tell you.
But, you know, there's plenty of legends.
There's only one icon.
tim pool
Okay, so Mark Giudetti says, Tim, you are so wrong tonight.
Sodom and Gomorrah are the Old Testament, which is the Jewish Torah.
Stop being a know-it-all when you don't.
Christians don't have any of the Old Testament, huh?
shane cashman
I think the Old Testament has more than the Torah.
tim pool
So, I am correct.
You are wrong.
Blackstone's formulation was rooted in the teachings of Sodom and Gomorrah, and if there's but one righteous person, that is true.
Read.
Read it.
That's a fact.
It doesn't mean anything beyond that.
I'm not a Christian.
But that's the basis of...
It is better that 10 guilty persons go free than one instant suffer.
milo yiannopolous
What's good about you, Tim, and what I appreciate about you, is that even though you have not yet, or maybe never will, reached that point in a faith journey, you nonetheless recognize that the principles that the faith inspires in people...
The context of Christianity, the moral framework, is what makes society functioning, stable, prosperous, healthy, and it's what America was based on.
And a lot of people who don't have that personal kind of faith will try.
I mean, I remember very vividly Joe Rogan in 2017 bucking against this when I said it.
At least you do recognize that what makes your country great is, at least in part, It's Christian moral ethics, even if you can't quite get yourself there.
And I respect that about you.
tim pool
There's the IQ bell curve meme of the guy whose eyes are on the side of his head and he says God is real.
Then there's the monk who's very intelligent and says God is real.
And there's the guy in the middle crying saying there's no God.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
And so there is a challenge in, you know, when I've talked to people who are Christian, And they don't quite know the logic behind the Ten Commandments and why they are functional and important for society to make sense.
milo yiannopolous
It's because you live in a country where everyone's retarded.
tim pool
But I will say this.
milo yiannopolous
If you talk to a well-educated European Catholic, you'll be like, oh my god, every science just springs out of this.
tim pool
My point is, it is better that people follow these things, even if they don't understand why, than they don't follow them at all.
unidentified
Of course.
Of course.
milo yiannopolous
We do it with everything else.
Why not with that?
tim pool
But we did this on the show a couple years ago with Seamus.
We went through the Ten Commandments as – and I said, take this outside of the context of religion and logically apply them and discuss why these things make sense.
Honor your father and mother makes complete sense.
Without the family structure, societies collapse.
Don't murder.
unidentified
Duh.
tim pool
Societies collapse.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
And even as simply put as, have no gods before me, if you are following other laws that can lead to destruction, that will lead to societal collapse.
milo yiannopolous
Which is the basis also of religious freedom being restricted to Christianity.
Because, look, Christianity is congruent and compatible with The Bill of Rights.
Other religions aren't.
tim pool
The Bill of Rights are based upon.
milo yiannopolous
Exactly.
Because you cannot have complete freedom from consequence saying whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want, with no consequence.
With Judaism.
Or with Islam.
It doesn't work.
tim pool
Let's read some more Super Chats!
What do we got here?
Jason Hutton says, Holy Milo!
Ian dialed Beyond Eleven.
Much love to you all and appreciate the discourse and enlightenment.
Well, there you go.
milo yiannopolous
Ian.
tim pool
He's not here.
milo yiannopolous
I know.
I'm greatly aggrieved by that.
I'm wounded by it.
But when we get to the members' show, if you haven't signed up, go and do it right now because I got some stuff to say about yesterday.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Soapy Enigma says, Elad, how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?
elad eliahu
I'm not sure how it would feel.
Is this one of those dumb jokes?
unidentified
They're calling you a stupid black person.
elad eliahu
I guess I'm not on my own.
tim pool
There's no racial component to it.
milo yiannopolous
Yeah, there is.
It's an IQ thing.
It was a 4chan meme that began with a court case involving a black defendant who was asked, how would you have felt if you did such and such?
Well, I did do such and such.
He wasn't able to understand hypotheticals.
He wasn't able to understand...
tim pool
Conditional hypotheticals was...
milo yiannopolous
Yes.
It's sort of a sub-ATIQ thing, so that's what that was.
tim pool
Well, no, he answered correctly.
He said, I don't know how it would affect.
milo yiannopolous
Yes, he surprised us all.
tim pool
He's got fighting words for you.
We'll have fun in the members session.
elad eliahu
Milo comes from somewhere.
He comes from a Muslim country.
For him to pretend he's coming here and saving our country is just so funny and rich.
tim pool
Save it for the members only segment before it gets too funny.
Too funny.
Alright, what do we have?
We'll grab some more.
I'm scrolling down here, and we're getting the—here we go.
The line says, Jefferson was a deist.
He compiled his own New Testament, which stripped the divinity from the Yeshua story, but still recognized the movement derived thereof, and good and moral, a lot wrong as usual.
And I think there was only a couple that were considered deist and overwhelmingly Christian.
And so the context about, like, why didn't they write that we're Christians?
And it's like, why don't the fish—it's the fish in the water.
milo yiannopolous
Why don't fish say they live in the ocean?
elad eliahu
Why didn't they say it explicitly?
Because they didn't intend for it to be explicitly a Christian nation.
They didn't write it anywhere.
milo yiannopolous
It's like listening to Ian talk about fractals.
unidentified
I can't do it.
tim pool
Look, Elad, first.
milo yiannopolous
We love Ian.
But if there's any way it needs to go with the crystals, it's got to be the guy that has the biggest collection of them, surely.
tim pool
Let me just say, at this point, I have not read all of Federalist Papers.
I have read letters.
I have read some of the writings, specifically essays and theories of the Founding Fathers, and it is fairly explicit.
If you have not done any of these things...
elad eliahu
Can you pull one up of the Federalist Papers where you think it's explicit then?
Maybe we'll do it in the after show.
tim pool
I'm just saying this.
milo yiannopolous
I've never met anybody who conjures in my mind...
More vividly than you do, the vision of a shelf of uncracked spines.
tim pool
Okay.
milo yiannopolous
Of a vast library that's never...
elad eliahu
Hold on, hold on.
I've never been expressing to you guys, trying to explain how...
unidentified
The uncracked spine.
tim pool
If you know you have not read any of these things...
Then you should be careful to assert with fact.
elad eliahu
Okay, I've done enough research into our founding documents, and I think it's abundantly...
All right, well, we'll do it in the after show.
And just for the record, there is a consensus on this issue of whether or not people believe that the country and the founders believed for it to be a Christian nation or not.
tim pool
This is like a Democrat saying you can't own a cannon.
It's like, well, it doesn't say you can't have a cannon, but the Founding Fathers owned cannons.
They had privateers.
elad eliahu
I'm excited for you to pull up Christianity in the Federalist Papers.
milo yiannopolous
I don't love the First and Second Amendment without a sort of Christian requirements, but there is a part of me having lived here for so long, and I did do that British thing of like, I'm in a truck and this is awesome.
tim pool
Let me read some more.
milo yiannopolous
I do feel if you can afford a surface-to-air missile, you should probably be allowed to have one.
unidentified
Yeah.
If I've got 20 million to buy one, I probably should be able to have one.
tim pool
And there are private corporations that manufacture these things.
And they have a writ from the government like there was...
milo yiannopolous
Run by my very good friends.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Patriot Tax says, as an Anglican, yes, America was founded as a Christian nation.
England is also a Christian nation.
I pray...
She realizes it soon before she's conquered by Islam.
Ah, England.
England needs a Trump of their own.
milo yiannopolous
We are all mourning for the England of years gone by.
And there's no shame and no point denying that, no other thing to say about it.
I think England made a...
You know, the greatest mistake, the greatest geopolitical mistake of the last hundred years is not keeping India close.
Because India has been forced from neglect and abuse and negligence to line up with India, with China, all the rest of it.
When India is, in some respects, the guardian, the custodian of all of the best things of Britain, right?
Whether it's education or manners or language.
I mean, educated Indians speak better English than the English do.
And the great tragedy for me geopolitically of the last hundred years is that we allowed India to wander off through neglect and through not looking after our friends or maybe through shame for colonialism, which is of course ridiculous.
And forge alliances, they should never have had to, have been forced to.
India had no choice.
And it's largely because the US sided with Pakistan in certain circumstances.
Again, remarkably stupid.
tim pool
You're going to like this next Super Chat, so I just want to try and get this in.
All right.
Fatboy says, I feel like if the founders wanted this to be an only Christian nation, they wouldn't have included that whole no establishment of a religion thing at the start of the Constitution.
milo yiannopolous
Well, then you have to answer the question of why in all of the other founding documents they say the inalienable rights come from God.
tim pool
And I think it's important to point out, Milo already made this point in the show, that the concern was not that this country would not be religious, but that there were different factions of Christianity that, if you take a look at Ireland, people are not too fond of each other over there.
elad eliahu
It's not unique to Christianity.
Monotheism is not unique to Christianity, so God still doesn't have any contradictions.
tim pool
He's right, they should have wrote Yahweh or something.
elad eliahu
No, they should have wrote Christianity.
They should have mentioned Jesus explicitly if they believed it, and they didn't for a reason.
unidentified
Well, you're lucky they didn't.
milo yiannopolous
The practical reality of the 18th century was that they were casting off, as they perceived, the shackles of the father country.
And that the British monarch was the head of the Anglican Church.
So there was no choice but to invent a new one, which we now know is the Episcopalian Church, and to allow for other people who had different, as I would put it, different varieties of heresy, different varieties of Protestantism, so they didn't war with each other.
And it is that simple.
And it is not a controversial thing among any historian or academic.
tim pool
Jonathan Foreman says, Tim, we need Ian Moon Lord, Lord Moonbeam, versus Milo Chaos God in a debate on anything.
milo yiannopolous
You know, I was slightly sad not to see Ian here, but just because I enjoy being cruel.
But I felt I gave him enough the last time.
But if there is, I'll repeat because I think somebody was talking over me, but if there's anybody that deserves to go in the crystals, it's surely the guy that owns more of them than anybody I know.
Ian has got to go in the crystals.
tim pool
Jaded Soul says, Milo, my aunt loves you.
She greatly enjoyed your book, Dangerous.
Can you give Tara a birthday shout-out?
milo yiannopolous
Tara, happy birthday.
I'm sorry you're old.
As somebody who just turned 40, I now too am dealing with the vicissitudes and horrors of old age.
I've started to get Charlie horses in the morning.
The real reason for this beanie is I'm losing my hair.
No, no, I've been bleaching it for...
No, it's not.
It was a tribute to you.
It was a tribute to you after Joe stole my look.
I have always taken the view that birthdays should be for other people.
And so if you are celebrating your birthday today, take a little moment in between opening gifts from others to remember to do something really lovely for somebody else.
Because birthdays are nice to be celebrated, and I go through my whole life being celebrated, of course, because I'm wonderful.
But on my birthday, I try to take a break from that and to do something lovely for others.
And so, happy birthday, but in the hours that remain, take a little moment to do something kind for somebody who's not expecting it from you.
tim pool
All right, we got two here that are just for Milo.
The first one is from David Brickham.
Milo is one of the most philosophical, intelligent, and hilarious people you've had on the show.
I've cried laughing.
These days, there's nothing funnier than the truth.
But hold your horses, Milo, because Tyler B. says, Milo is the personification of, if I'm louder than you, I'm right, because all he can do is talk and sing his way over everyone when he realizes he is wrong.
As a gay man myself, we need to bring back bullying.
milo yiannopolous
Oh, there you go.
phil labonte
Okay.
I doubt Milo realizes he's wrong.
tim pool
No, I had to give you both the Milo is the best and Milo is the worst at the same time.
milo yiannopolous
I can't comment on the second Super Chat having never been wrong.
But I will say, if you want to hear me sing, albums are available.
tim pool
Bad Romance.
milo yiannopolous
I do want to do a Christmas album.
I've always wanted to do a big band Christmas album.
tim pool
Sounds fun.
milo yiannopolous
Maybe you could do a sort of emo thrash bonus track or something.
But I've always wanted to do a Christmas album.
We'll talk about it afterwards.
tim pool
Alright, YouTube's on the fritz again.
Carl Smith says, Milo, in the immortal words of Mr.
Rogers, the one thing that evil cannot stand is forgiveness.
I think that is the quote at least.
milo yiannopolous
Yes.
And, you know, something that has been really – you know, look, I'm paid a lot of money by all kinds of people whose names I can't mention because, you know, they're not supposed to know me to do, in some cases, quite awful things to people.
But the thing that hurts your enemies the most is to tell them that you love them, that you forgive them, and that you wish the best for them, that you are praying for them, and that you want them to be better than they are.
And I try to...
I've always tried to take that kind of...
It's not really a speck, really.
More of a huge shard of dark flint in my heart.
That enjoys schadenfreude and all the rest of it.
And I've tried to channel it for good.
I've not always exceeded.
I've not always done a perfect job of this, but I'm getting better at it.
And I try to use that bit of me that I don't always love so much for good.
And so I've learned through my occasional churlishness and cruelty that nothing hurts somebody who kind of knows that they're doing wrong and kind of knows that they're screwing up.
Like you're telling them that you forgive them and that you love them and that you hope that they see the light and that they come home to the Lord and that they come home to the truth.
And honestly, it's the greatest lesson I've learned in the last 10 years.
tim pool
I agree.
And so I've told this story before that I tip bad servers very well.
milo yiannopolous
Oh, I don't tip at all.
tim pool
Oh, I tip bad servers.
milo yiannopolous
I don't believe in rewarding failure.
No, if you're a server over the age of, you know, 19.
I mean, come on.
It's a bit like taxation.
It's like taxation, really, isn't it?
What's wrong?
What's wrong with taking from the poor to give to the rich?
Poor people are terrible with money.
If they weren't terrible with money, they wouldn't be poor.
tim pool
Make this point before we go to the members, Joe.
milo yiannopolous
I really don't understand this.
Why would you tip something?
Margaret Thatcher said, if you get the bus to work after the age of 30, you have failed as a man.
You have failed as a human being.
I mean, my gosh.
unidentified
So why wouldn't you?
milo yiannopolous
So the best taxation is regressive taxation, which taxes the poor at 20% and tapers down.
So if you're earning over a million dollars a year, you pay nothing.
Nothing.
tim pool
All right.
Anyway, thanks for hanging out, everybody.
unidentified
We'll see you next time.
milo yiannopolous
He supports the people who do good in society, who create the jobs, and punishes the people who don't get out of bed in the morning.
tim pool
So my point is, when someone's being rude, crass, or lazy, or indifferent, when you leave them a good tip, they feel guilt.
But I digress.
We're going to go to the members.
milo yiannopolous
No, they don't.
They just think you're a mob.
It's like, that white boy just let me shift the book.
tim pool
You were wrong.
unidentified
Stop.
milo yiannopolous
No, stop.
No.
You look them in the eyes.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
Smash that like button.
unidentified
Look them in the eyes.
tim pool
And you say, like I did.
You can call me on X and Instagram at TimCast.
Head over to TimCast.com right now.
unidentified
Hate it.
Hate it.
tim pool
Go to TimCast.com.
Click Join Us.
Become a member.
Because we're going to complain about religion.
milo yiannopolous
Oh, I'm going to let you know about tipping.
unidentified
In just a few minutes.
tim pool
Milo, where can they find you?
milo yiannopolous
Just a few minutes.
Well, in a couple of days, just a couple of short days, you'll be able to order on Amazon and all good bookstores The Wit and Wisdom of Nicholas J. Fuentes.
I couldn't be more thrilled about this stocking stuffer for Christmas.
It's been endorsed by everybody you love.
And this really, like I said, I don't want to give away too much, but this book is probably my best book.
And it's a very exciting thing for me.
It's an emotional moment for me to publish it because, of course, this person started as a mentee of mine and then in the end sort of went dark.
You'll never know the pain.
You'll never know the pain of waking up at 3 a.m.
in a cold sweat and realizing you're responsible, not just for Nick Fuentes, but for Lady Marga too.
You know, but I feel I've redeemed myself.
I feel I've been on a redemptive arc.
So look, if you want to find me, look up on Amazon.
You'll find this wonderful book in a couple of days.
And in the meantime, I have been restored.
I've been restored to Twitter.
You can find me at Nero on Twitter, which is the Christian N-word.
We're reclaiming it.
Because, of course, you know, there's a great emperor.
unidentified
All right.
milo yiannopolous
I can say the real word on the after show.
unidentified
Nero is the Christian N-word.
milo yiannopolous
So I'm reclaiming it.
I'm reclaiming it.
unidentified
We got to go.
We got to go.
tim pool
Elad, where can they find you?
elad eliahu
Elad Eliyahu.
I'm a journalist here at TimCast.
You can find me across all platforms.
The Wit and Wisdom of Nicholas J. Fuentes.
I'm assuming it's a blank book.
Good luck with that bestseller.
What's up, Shane?
shane cashman
What up?
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Thanks for, Milo, for being here.
Phil.
phil labonte
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