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tim pool
It is a sad day for us here at Timcast, but I can't say I'm too surprised.
We bought champagne when we heard that Matt Gaetz would be potentially be the nominee or potentially be the AG.
He was the nominee.
He has withdrawn from the running for AG.
Pam Bondi has now been chosen.
So it really does sound like behind the scenes that this was the plan all along.
Some have speculated that Matt Gaetz was Trump's big ask, a shocking and outrageous pick.
So that way, when Matt Gaetz is forced to say I can't do it, they bring in Pam Bondi, who is also great.
But everyone feels a little more relaxed about someone who actually has experience and isn't as shocking as Matt Gaetz.
Maybe.
So then we'll talk about what this means.
Matt Gaetz resigned, but he is still the congressman elect for his district.
So there's nothing stopping him from going back to Congress.
We'll talk about that and what it means.
And then we get other other big news in the wee hours of the morning.
It was reported by Ukraine that Russia fired an ICBM at Ukraine.
If that was true, it would be the first use of an intercontinental ballistic missile in warfare.
However, shortly after the West denied this and reports now say that, in fact, it was an intermediate ranged ballistic missile on IRBM.
You know, it's basically what they're saying is it was modeled off of a Russian intercontinental ballistic missile fire.
functionally the same or similar, but it didn't have nukes on it.
So, you know, we'll get into that to try and understand it.
And we're not just going to be serious tonight.
We have a funny story.
The View says Joe Rogan believes in dragons.
I kid you not.
They actually did a segment where they were like, people listen to Joe Rogan, and he says dragons are real, and he believes dragons have existed in the times of humans.
They're making all of this up once again.
Joe has made fun of them.
So we'll talk about that, plus a bunch of other stories.
We'll talk about the Jaguar ad, Get Woke, Go Broke, all that good stuff.
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Last night, we had Milo Yiannopoulos on and it was...
Ruckus, to say the least.
He's a very funny guy and he's very mean.
But I mean that in he enjoys being mean for the sake of humor, but everybody gets it, right?
Right.
So check out that if you didn't see it.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Ami Kozak.
ami kozak
Thank you for having me, Tim.
Sam, good to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
ami kozak
I am a comedian, musician, impressionist, and content creator.
And more recently over the last year have been pretty outspoken on some political issues, which has gotten me into some interesting debates and conversations out there online.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, it should be fun.
So glad to have you.
Elad is back.
elad eliahu
Hey, everybody.
What's up?
My name is Elad Eliyahu.
I am a journalist here at TimCast.
Ami, it's great to have you.
What's up, Ian?
ian crossland
Hey, man.
I'm just looking forward to putting Milo Yiannopoulos in the crystal.
Bro, I'm coming for you, Milo.
I love you, homie.
It's good to see you.
Thank you for all the nice things.
tim pool
Milo was like, he said something like, I'm quite upset that Ian's not here because I like being here.
ian crossland
We get along.
We text.
We're friends offline.
We both have online personas.
Milo is one of the biggest hippies I know.
So I'm really sad that I missed that show last night, dude.
I'll be here next time, I promise you.
And also, I think dragons may have been real.
I'll tell you more about it during this segment.
unidentified
Well, if you'd like, I can channel something to Milo for you.
tim pool
Asterian, you mean?
ian crossland
Dude, and I texted Milo during the show.
I was like, I don't know if you actually realize how big of a deal Baldur's Gate 3. It's like the biggest video game maybe ever made.
tim pool
Yeah, it was probably...
Is it Game of the Year?
ian crossland
Game of the Year.
Was it?
Arguably Game of the Decade.
tim pool
But was it literally Game of the Year?
ian crossland
Probably, I don't know.
Larian Studios had Divinity 2, Best Studio.
And so it's like really impressive that they modeled their iconic character off of Milo.
Like, that's a big fucking deal for Milo.
tim pool
Well, but I also point out, too, if you watch The Boys, it's very obvious that Stormfront is Laura Loomer, right?
Like, if you watch The Boys, I'm watching it, and I'm like, it is crazy how these shows are just ripping off personalities and taking their personas.
But anyway, we'll get into all that stuff.
We got Phil hanging out.
phil labonte
I am Phil Abonte.
How you doing?
I'm the lead singer of the Heavy Metal Band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Tim?
tim pool
Let's go from Fox News.
Bad news.
Matt Gaetz withdraws as attorney general nominee.
It is clear that my confirmation was unfairly becoming a distraction to the critical work of the Trump-Vance transition, Matt Gaetz said.
Well, here's the tweet he put out.
I had excellent meetings with senators yesterday.
I appreciate their thoughtful feedback and the incredible support of so many.
While the momentum was strong, it is clear that my confirmation was unfairly becoming a distraction to the critical work of the Trump-Vance transition.
There is no time to waste on a needlessly protracted Washington scuffle.
Thus, I'll be withdrawing my name from consideration to serve as Attorney General.
Trump's DOJ must be in place and ready on day one.
I remain fully committed to see that Donald J. Trump is the most successful president in history.
I will be forever honored that President Trump nominated me to lead the Department of Justice, and I'm certain he will save America.
Now, of course, the news is that Pam Bondi is the new Trump pick for attorney general.
She's a former Florida attorney general and was part of Trump's defense during his first impeachment trial.
Now, many people are speculating that this was always the plan.
Matt Gaetz was going to come out as the big ask.
Then when they, oh, we can't get mad, so I'll never get confirmed, they pull him back, Pam Bondi steps up.
The argument being that if Trump, no matter who Trump chose, they'd send in the big guns.
So if Trump came out first and we want Pam Bondi, they'd accuse her of everything, they'd call her a Nazi, whatever they had to do.
So he goes with Matt Gaetz.
Now, if they say the same about Pam Bondi, people are gonna be like, well, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Like, is every single person gonna be like this?
And then it makes it look bad on their side.
I can't imagine Matt Gaetz resigned from Congress without realizing senators were not going to confirm him.
I don't imagine a reality where Matt's sitting there being like, there will be no contest.
I'm going to get in.
It'll be easy.
Plus there was a talk of recess appointments.
I have to assume they had this planned.
phil labonte
I don't know about planned, but I do think that it should have been or would have been something that they were aware was a possibility.
As for Pam Bondi, I'm not super familiar with her, but if she has worked on Team Trump before and she's willing to do the same job that Gates was, because, I mean, at the end of the day, as far as I'm concerned, I want to see someone do the job.
It would have been cool if it was Gates because he's a friend of ours and all that, but at the same time, just so long as it's someone that will go after the people that have broken the law and investigate people that are suspected of breaking the law.
If she's willing to do that, It doesn't really matter.
But I want someone that's a bulldog, someone that's actually going to go hard and actually use the Department of Justice to hopefully root out the massive, massive amounts of corruption in the United States federal government.
Because it's clear that there is a huge amount of corruption.
I mean, all of the investigations into Trump, every last one of them is suspect.
And Matt Gaetz!
tim pool
And Matt Gaetz.
phil labonte
Matt Gaetz, yeah, fair enough.
So it's clear that the bureaucracy and the former DOJ abused their power, or at least it's highly likely, but I won't get into definitive terms, but it's highly likely.
And it looks like the DOJ abused the hell out of their power and really have...
We've done a terrible disservice to the American people because your average person that pays attention to the day-to-day stuff coming out of Washington, they're all looking at the stuff that Trump was accused of and they're like, I'm not so sure.
You know, look, they went after Trump, but they didn't go after Biden and they decided not to prosecute Clinton, but they're going to go after Trump and they raided...
Mar-a-Lago and, you know, all of these things that the DOJ did the entire time that Biden was president and all of these things that were going on while Trump was president, all of the Steele dossier, you know, all of the Russiagate stuff, all that stuff.
The average person has really lost faith in this justice system.
ami kozak
Yeah.
elad eliahu
So the five senators who I'm seeing floated that allegedly—I can't find it from an official account.
It's only these parody accounts, so let's take this with a grain of salt.
But the likely people would have been Susan Collins, the senator from Maine, who would have voted against Matt Gaetz, Lisa Murkowski from Alaska.
They're saying— They're saying Mitch McConnell and then I'm not very familiar with John Curtis from Utah.
Matt Gaetz made a lot of enemies when he was in Congress when he tried to overthrow the majority leader McCarthy.
tim pool
Tried to?
elad eliahu
Well, when he successfully overthrew McCarthy and he made a lot of political enemies.
ami kozak
Did he say Trump's name instead of McCarthy when they were casting him?
elad eliahu
At least at one point.
And there's a lot of inside baseball going on about the timing of the resignation and all this going down.
Allegedly, Matt Gaetz originally asked McCarthy to sweep the House investigation into his.
There's some ethics complaint against Matt Gaetz, allegedly sleeping with a 17 year old that.
He wanted McCarthy to sweep under the rug.
McCarthy refused.
Matt Gaetz tried to overthrow him.
Upset the establishment, among other things.
They've been enemies ever since.
And this is some of the downstream effects we're seeing from there.
ami kozak
Have you familiar with Scott Adams' take on Trump's A-B testing strategy he used to talk about?
Ever since he even started running in 2015, if you listen to Scott Adams, who wrote the Dilbert comic strips and has been calling Trump's basic...
Like, hero's arc story since the very beginning.
He said in 2015, when everyone thought it was a laughingstock that he would be running, that he would be winning, and he called Trump's victory all through, and he calls this the big third act.
But his whole thing is that Trump has always had this strategy where people think he's just being a clown and being impulsive, but It's actually very calculated in that he'll say something that will be much more provocative or make choices that are provocative, and everyone will react to it, and then when he walks it back to the actual position he was going to take to begin with, it seems like a reasonable compromise.
And if he were to come out first with the appointment he has now, people would have brought out the guns.
But in doing so, it's like throwing out the A, see where people react, which is Gates, and then pulling it back and nominating her.
So it's been a pattern all along that is much more calculated than I think people realize.
tim pool
He's famous for the big ask.
ian crossland
That's it, the big ask.
ami kozak
I make deals.
I make so many deals.
phil labonte
I mean, again, I don't know that there was a plan in it.
Trump was familiar with her anyways.
tim pool
How could there not be?
phil labonte
Well, like I said, I think that the situation was like, he probably had a backup because everyone does know that Matt Gaetz is a firebrand, but I don't know that it was his intent.
tim pool
Matt Gaetz coming out and being like, we couldn't get the vote, so I have to withdraw.
And I'm like...
That doesn't seem to make sense.
elad eliahu
Yeah, because there was also rumors, though, that the House was going to come out with the House ethics committees a couple of days before he ended up resigning.
tim pool
I think that's nonsense.
Of course, they leaked these things no matter what.
elad eliahu
Sure, and it did actually eventually get leaked to the New York Times.
tim pool
The report's been leaked?
elad eliahu
Not the full report, but they said there was a hacker who fed part of it.
tim pool
And now some files have already been released showing his Venmo transactions.
Matt Gaetz leaving.
This is a talking point from Democrats.
Oh, he's leaving so they can't do it.
What do you mean they can't do it?
They're voting.
They tried to have a vote to release it anyway.
And it would come up in the Senate hearings for confirmation either way.
So I don't think that makes any sense.
elad eliahu
I think the case closes once he resigns from Congress.
tim pool
And they still said they were going to vote to release it.
So what are they going to do?
ian crossland
So this is generally, Gates thought, if there are four Republican senators that were going to vote no, three, then there's no way he could have been confirmed because the other side would have had the majority.
elad eliahu
He wasn't getting any from Democrats.
ian crossland
And there's no way to re-vote or re-vote.
tim pool
There is a recess appointment.
elad eliahu
Well, they didn't vote at all, by the way.
tim pool
Right.
They went and talked.
He claims...
He went and talked to senators.
Too many of them, I think it was like four, were like, we're not going to do it.
And he's like, well, that's it.
You can't do it.
And so according to numerous reports, and I don't trust any of these people, I think it was Politico, I'm not sure, they said that a source familiar with what happened said Trump told them, look, you don't have the votes.
It's not going to work.
I don't buy it because as soon as they said Matt Gaetz, everyone said it's going to have to be a racist appointment.
There's no way Donald Trump and Matt Gaetz, and I know Matt, and he's brilliant.
He's a super smart guy.
He saw this coming.
So my only assumption is he goes back to Congress, maybe gets appointed a senator when Rubio comes out, but they had to have seen this coming.
I'm a huge fan of Matt Gaetz.
I've told him this to his face on the show.
Favorite member of Congress for standing up to the machine, standing up to Kevin McCarthy.
You got Mike Lawler out of New York saying he risked our majority by siding with Democrats.
I'm like, no, he sided with the people who are fed up with your whole corrupt Congress that cuts deals behind our back to spend trillions of dollars on garbage.
And we're proud of Matt Gaetz for having done that.
That being said...
My opinion is that he had a plan the whole time.
elad eliahu
I will say if the DOJ had the goods on him, I'm sure they wouldn't have had any problem going after him for it.
So there is something there with them not coming out.
And again, it doesn't need to reach the threshold of being illegal to have done something that is bad or wrong.
ian crossland
Does Rubio appoint his successor now?
elad eliahu
I think, no, DeSantis does.
ian crossland
Oh, Ron DeSantis.
He'd just be like, Gates, you're the guy?
unidentified
Yep.
elad eliahu
He would never, though, because DeSantis ran against Trump in the primary, and then Gates backed Trump hard, and DeSantis probably took that personally.
ian crossland
Maybe, but I think DeSantis does support the Republican agenda in general, and Gates is a good choice for Senator.
But what else could Gates do, like, in the Trump administration?
Aren't there other roles in the Trump administration he could get?
phil labonte
You mean Gates...
Gates resigned now, right, during this Congress.
He was elected for the next Congress.
So he could take his seat back because he was elected in January.
He resigned for the, I think it's the 118th Congress.
And when the 119th Congress goes in to take their seats, he can take that seat.
Because he didn't resign saying, I'll never be in Congress again.
He said, I'm resigning from the 118th Congress.
elad eliahu
I think, in worst case, there would be a special election and he'd definitely win the seat.
I'm not sure...
ami kozak
Why go through this roundabout?
phil labonte
Like I said, the point...
tim pool
He doesn't need a special election.
He's the congressman-elect for that district.
That means, come January 3rd, he's just in.
ami kozak
So, was this more of a favor to Trump or vice versa?
Why go through this roundabout process from his perspective?
tim pool
Favor to Trump.
Part of the plan, part of the mission, you know?
ami kozak
What do you think?
tim pool
Maybe he's senator.
You guys don't think that Rubio would do that?
phil labonte
I don't know if Rubio...
I mean...
DeSantis would do that.
ian crossland
I think he would.
I don't see who else he would appoint.
Well, I don't know.
elad eliahu
The thing is that the Democrats have no credibility when it comes to any of these alleged sexual assault cases, especially when there isn't any criminal complaints.
They did the same thing to Kavanaugh, and I think the Republicans are...
I think it's an important thing, because they're going to come with similar allegations against Trump's other cabinet picks, like Pete Hexth, which is the next guy who they're going to come after.
phil labonte
Republicans can just say, look, this is standard procedure.
Right?
Like, Republicans can actually say that.
Hegseth, Kavanaugh, Gates...
I mean, you can go down the list of at least...
If I sat and thought about it, we could come up with at least five different people that are Republicans...
They've all been accused of some kind of sexual misconduct, right?
Like, that's Donald Trump, you know, that is normal.
And I think that because there have been no arrests, investigations have gone nowhere, you know, with a massive majority, significant majority of these accusations, you can safely say, look...
You know, that's just what the Democrats do.
I think that it's more likely, or the more important factor is, what is Gates' relationship with DeSantis?
You know, because if DeSantis does like him, and they get along, then it might be more likely, but I don't know.
elad eliahu
But there are White House positions that you could get appointed to, and you don't need to be confirmed to by the Senate.
There's bad blood between them from the primary, I believe.
phil labonte
DeSantis and Gates?
elad eliahu
DeSantis and Gates, yeah.
phil labonte
Why?
elad eliahu
Because Gates was a hardcore Trump backer, and DeSantis thought he had a chance against him.
ami kozak
But in a post-Trump victory world, a lot of stuff gets washed under the bridge.
Look at Little Marco now next to Donald Trump.
tim pool
Lion Ted.
ami kozak
Little Marco, we called him, and now he's Secretary of State.
elad eliahu
I still think Trump's holding a grudge against...
phil labonte
Trump is holding a grudge?
Trump does not hold grudges.
Trump doesn't hold grudges.
tim pool
Yeah, Trump famously doesn't, and I think it's a problem.
He's saying of Micah and Joe showing up to Mar-a-Lago, he's like, well, you know, I'll give people extra chances.
He says, I'll give them one, two, three, but I won't do four.
phil labonte
Trump is so likely to not hold a grudge that even Cenk Uygur had made a tweet, you know, one of the good things about Trump is that he doesn't hold grudges.
He will not speak over me!
It's such a thing with Trump that even people that are considered far-left Have to acknowledge, yeah, he doesn't hold grudges.
ami kozak
As long as they're deferential.
phil labonte
He's not going to hold a grudge against anyone.
elad eliahu
Do you think there's any other cabinet position that's going to be held up here?
phil labonte
Pardon me?
elad eliahu
Do you think there's any other cabinet position that's likely to get held up here?
phil labonte
I think that they're going to go...
I think the two that are most likely going to see the most resistance is Tulsi for DNI and I think...
ami kozak
Bobby Kennedy.
phil labonte
Kennedy.
elad eliahu
Because they're Democrats.
phil labonte
Pardon me?
elad eliahu
Because they're former Democrats.
unidentified
No, because...
elad eliahu
I think it would be difficult for Republicans to vote to confirm somebody like Tulsi Gabbard.
phil labonte
No, I think it's because...
ami kozak
Kennedy is a different thing entirely.
It's not a political thing.
It's more about his unique kind of position.
phil labonte
Yeah, well, Kennedy is because of his views.
Kennedy is because of his views.
And Tulsi Gabbard, it's because of her outlook on the intelligence community overall.
elad eliahu
We'll keep our eyes on those.
ami kozak
The thing that's difficult is that Trump, he said it on Rogan when he first got in, he's still surrounded by insiders and establishment people, and it was very hard for him to sift through that.
And now he has sort of the authority to go outside that, but you still need this confirmation process.
So it's this fine line of getting confirmed by people who are establishment while bringing people in who are from the outside.
phil labonte
It's normal for a couple, like one or two, to not make it.
But at some point, they do say, look, the president gets to select his cabinet.
And they are the people that the president prefers.
ami kozak
It's like a customary thing.
phil labonte
Well, the thing is, it's with the consent of the Senate.
But the Senate...
It's like normally they're like, well, we may not like him, but the president gets to make his cabinet full of people that he likes.
And it would be unprecedented if there were like four people.
ian crossland
If that were to happen and the Senate didn't confirm anybody and then Trump gets in office, what happens?
phil labonte
The positions have to be filled.
ian crossland
By who?
unidentified
By who?
tim pool
No, I mean...
elad eliahu
It'd be recess appointments until they eventually...
tim pool
Right, but during Trump's first administration, famously, many of these positions went unfilled because they would not...
They were obstructing Trump every step of the way.
elad eliahu
There would be acting...
There would be, like, an acting AG and an acting Secretary of Defense...
ian crossland
Appointed by Trump?
elad eliahu
Appointed by Trump for a limited amount of time or something, and they don't have all the...
Gates could be the acting AG. They don't have all of the privileges of the true AG. This was the point.
tim pool
They were talking about recess appointments.
Mike Johnson would call for an adjournment.
Senate would say no.
Trump would say, you're hereby adjourned, and then he can recess appoint all of these people.
Let's jump to this next story from Lone Star Live.
Trump advisor calls CBS producer effing dummy after false alarm about ambulances leaving Mar-a-Lago.
This story is fascinating because earlier today, I don't know if you guys saw the breaking news.
Two ambulances were seen leaving Mar-a-Lago surrounded by Secret Service.
Everybody was losing their minds.
This was it.
Some people on Blue Sky were actually posting, these liberals, that Trump had passed on.
Well, as it turns out, this story is absolutely hilarious.
What actually happened is these are part of a normal motorcade.
They were not, as we know, in use, according to reports.
Journalists have formed an unofficial press pool swarming outside of Mar-a-Lago.
So a press pool, for those that don't know, is...
A pool report is, and I may be wrong about this because I think their whole practice is stupid, but there will be, say there's an official government event, they'll say, we're only going to have a pool reporter.
It's one person who goes in and they film or whatever, and then that is relayed to all the agencies so they can all use it, something like that.
So they've created an unofficial pool where they're just hanging out outside of Mar-a-Lago waiting for news.
And because they're stupid and don't fact check when they saw ambulances leave, they reported as this big breaking story when literally nothing was happening, causing a panic and then getting roasted.
Stephen Chung, advisor to Trump, dismissed concerns about ambulances, saying the CBS producer overreacted.
Pray for Trump.
Pray for President Trump began trending on X at 3.30 p.m.
Central.
This is 4.30.
After a reporter tweeted a tip he said he received from a CBS producer about several ambulances and secret service vehicles seen entering and leaving Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida.
What really happened?
J.D. Vance showed up.
That's it.
The press has set up a fake unofficial pool because they want to feel important about themselves.
In this case, some idiot at CBS overreacted and set off the fire alarm for no reason, thinking they were going to get the scoop of a lifetime effing dummy.
ian crossland
So CBS is the new CNN? Oh, they're all bad, dude.
Anti-Trump network and eventually going to get divested in the next four years if they keep acting like this?
tim pool
It's not so much that they're being anti-Trump, it's that they don't do anything substantial in terms of reporting.
Everybody assumes these reporters must be telling the truth, or I should say, the default libs do.
Meanwhile, the rest of us are like, I don't believe what you're saying.
You gotta show me a video and prove it.
And so, this is what happens when you take people who have no idea what's going on, Put them outside.
This is a perfect example of what would trigger a gal man amnesia effect.
Even in us.
Even in us.
Because what do you do, right?
You look at this story and you're like...
Oh, wow, that's crazy.
Ambulances were leaving.
Then it turns out, according to officials, the ambulances are a normal part of the motorcade.
It's nothing special.
It's like they're there for a variety of reasons, wherever it may be.
Emergencies, maybe.
And you're like, oh, but I didn't know that.
ami kozak
That's where Trump sleeps in the end.
No one sees him.
tim pool
The next time the CBEST reporter reports something, we're going to say, oh, wow, look at that.
The CBS guy's going to say, oh, I just saw a giraffe leaving the property.
I'm going to go, wow, a giraffe.
Instead of saying, this guy's full of it and he's probably lying or wrong.
It wasn't a giraffe, it was a zebra.
ian crossland
I'm a little more on guard against CBS now.
I know that CNN's been apt to say weird things, MSNBC, even, I don't know about Fox News lately, but CBS seems like they're more neutral, I guess.
They're all owned by, I don't want to say the same people, but a lot of the same companies, I think, own these media networks.
I should check out who owns CBS. I'll do that.
ami kozak
Well, there's been a big humbling effect on a lot of the legacy media outlets, so they're just kind of looking for anything they could point to, to tip the narrative somewhere else, where things are not going that way.
So they're craving crumbs of like, ooh, something wrong?
phil labonte
Anything that's like...
I mean, look, if it were true, it would be a big story.
So the guy got out over his skis, and that's fairly normal.
With, you know, with reporters, like if they see something, they're just like, ooh, you know, I want to go and blah, blah, blah, especially if it's, you know, if it's Donald Trump, because if something had happened, you know, the guy that breaks the news is like, look at me, I broke the news, I got, you know, but I mean...
With X and stuff the way that it is, like if you report something and people can confirm that your reporting was right, and that's really all that happened, is he reported this happened, you know, ambulances left with a bunch of Secret Service cars around it.
And then that picked up on X, and then blah, blah, blah.
Now, what went on in Blue Sky, that's a whole different thing.
But the stuff that I was seeing on X was all just people reporting what he reported.
Two ambulances and multiple cars of Secret Service.
Two ambulances and multiple cars of Secret Service.
There's multiple accounts that were reporting that.
The fact that people on Blue Sky took it and did a whole lot of the fan fiction stuff they do.
ami kozak
Jumping to conclusions.
phil labonte
Not just jumping to conclusions.
They want bad things to happen.
So over at Blue Sky, they're going to be like, Oh man, wouldn't it be great if Donald Trump died?
Wouldn't it be great if this happened?
Wouldn't it be great if he broke his leg?
Anything bad that can happen to Donald Trump, Blue Sky is going to be throwing a party about it.
So, I mean, like I said, when you were over here on X, it was fairly accurate reporting.
Like I said, everything was a couple ambulances and a bunch of Secret Service.
I didn't see Blue Sky because I don't have a Blue Sky account, and I think I might have to make one just to go and collect some lols.
But yeah...
It doesn't surprise me that the factual stuff went around, and it also doesn't surprise me that the people like, you know...
ami kozak
Spun it into something.
phil labonte
Especially on Blue Sky, man.
They really want him to be a bad guy.
You know, they believe that he is the worst thing ever.
I mean, there's even still some of the far left that are on X that are, you know, consistently saying things like, oh, look, you guys are going to regret it.
There are people that are...
There's a couple specific accounts that are already saying things like, look, you guys asked for this.
You guys asked for this.
You asked for this.
And it's like, well, yeah, literally, we know.
Like, what are you saying?
They're implying that there's terrible things happening.
It's like, the man hasn't even been inaugurated yet.
Like, this is all just, like, setting up stuff.
And yes...
Everyone knows that most people in the country are comfortable with deporting people and stuff.
tim pool
The funniest thing about Trump winning is you get Joe Walsh saying, Attorney General Matt Gaetz, that's what you voted for when you voted for Donald Trump.
Congratulations.
And literally all of us are like...
phil labonte
Yes.
ami kozak
As if it's like a gotcha.
tim pool
Literally we did.
We actually are very happy with that choice.
It's a bummer to see that he won't be.
But yeah, we did vote for it.
They don't seem to understand that...
We like Trump.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
We like Matt Gaetz.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
They're like, you must think the same way as me.
So you are you.
This is what's happening now.
And we're like, oh, thank heavens.
Here's the other thing, too, about like, Trump is going to use the military to deport people.
When the migrants were sent to Martha's Vineyard, they called the National Guard to round them up and bring them to a dorm housing and a military base.
ian crossland
You mean a camp?
tim pool
That's right.
I'm being polite, but the National Guard rounded up these legal asylees.
ian crossland
Biden's America.
tim pool
That's right.
That's Biden's America.
elad eliahu
And unfortunately, it'll be other Republicans that block Trump from accomplishing things like this.
We kind of, I don't know if we've mentioned this before, but Rand Paul broke with Trump.
And actually, I think he came out against using the military for mass deportations, calling it a huge mistake.
If Rand Paul thinks that, there are going to be many other senators.
phil labonte
I don't know about many other.
Remember, Rand Paul is very libertarian.
elad eliahu
We could start with Murkowski.
We could start with Susan Collins.
phil labonte
No, they're barely Republicans.
They're the people that are...
I mean, I think Collins is independent now, isn't she?
elad eliahu
I think she's still a Republican.
But the argument would be that she's the only one who could win in that area as a Republican.
I think it's from Maine for Collins.
phil labonte
Sure, sure.
ami kozak
Grandpa has the unique civil liberties standpoint as far as...
phil labonte
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's like Rand Paul is going to do the libertarian stuff.
But still, most of the...
And I genuinely believe this.
Most of the people that are...
Most of the Republicans, they see what happened on...
You know, on November 5th with the election.
They know that Donald Trump has a mandate.
And they also know that if they are pushing back against the president too much, and they're up for election...
I mean, senators are every six years, so there's some time in between it.
But, like, they know that the Republicans want to get stuff done.
There are things that need to happen.
And it's good for the country.
Just like...
I'm sure you're aware of the...
Or maybe you're aware of the...
One of the rules changes that they want to do so that way you can get amendments back in to bills that are brought to the Senate.
Right now, everything is an up or down vote on a huge bill, whatever it is, right?
That's a bad thing.
You have to be able to put amendments into bills and change stuff around so that way you can take stuff out as well as put stuff in.
And that gives power to the Senate.
These things are important.
And if the Senate has that power, they can actually...
Help to do good things.
And Donald Trump is a dealmaker.
So if he gets what he wants and the senators can put amendments in and they get what they want, then you can see actual progress being made with some serious cutbacks in the bureaucracy.
And that's something that the Republicans have been giving lip service to for ages.
And honestly, it would be a good thing for America.
So I don't know that there's going to be a lot of people that are going to fight Trump just to fight him.
And when it comes to, you know, specifically like using the military to help deport people and stuff, that kind of stuff is something that Rand Paul would always be like, nah, man, nah.
ian crossland
I've got to cap it off.
CBS merged with Viacom in 2019, then Viacom-CBS merged with Paramount Pictures in 2022, and it's owned now by a company called National Amusements, which is owned by a guy named Sumner Redstone.
tim pool
At some point, there's going to be one media company called News.
Yeah, dude.
ian crossland
Sumner Redstone's daughter, Shari Redstone, is the chairwoman of national museums.
elad eliahu
There's already News Corp.
unidentified
Right.
elad eliahu
It's News Corp.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's not as big.
Let's jump to this next story.
Speaking of fake news, Joe Rogan mocks The View after co-host accused him of believing in dragons.
Okay, the first thing I want to do is show you the clip from these...
I'm almost like, you know, if I was going to show you a bunch of clucking hens, we can put on Chicken City, but I'll give you The View instead, as they disparage Joe Rogan.
unidentified
People want us divided, and they aren't just here in this country.
They're foreign adversaries who are infiltrating our social media because it is prudent for us to stay that way.
So when you see something that really pisses you off, you should triple check that one.
joy behar
But I think that that's why people like our show, because they know that we are checked by ABC News.
phil labonte
We're checked by everybody.
joy behar
Yeah, I mean, if we're wrong, we have, you know, the legal note here.
phil labonte
That is a new development.
joy behar
We went from Walter Cronkite, basically, to this guy, Joe Rogan, who believes in dragons.
I checked it.
unidentified
He believes in dragons?
joy behar
Did you triple towards that?
Yes, I did.
And he also thinks that dragons, I guess like dinosaur-y type of animals, roam the earth when people did.
So this is the type of really, really bad information that's going out there.
tim pool
Isn't it funny that she just said, we have legal disclaimers and we're checked by ABC News.
Also, Joe Rogan believes in dragons.
And so Joe Rogan changed his Twitter bio to Dragon Believer.
And that's my new official X description Rogan said, changing his bio to Dragon Believer.
unidentified
He posted the clip.
ian crossland
Where do they...
Oh, I want to know what he said about dragons that...
tim pool
He probably didn't say anything.
ian crossland
There's like terror...
ami kozak
No, there's terror birds.
tim pool
They probably found one of those meme clips where it's...
Some people will edit podcasts to make jokes and, you know, was it Joy?
ami kozak
It was Ping Trip or something?
tim pool
Yeah, and they believe it and they go, wow, he believes in dragons.
ami kozak
Or he was talking about like animals.
They're like, dude, these are like legit.
It's crazy.
unidentified
Like...
tim pool
Or he was smoking weed and it was called like...
ami kozak
Dragons.
tim pool
Really?
It's a strain of weed called dragons with humans.
elad eliahu
It's like, oh, didn't you know chickens are still considered dragons, man?
And then he's just like, oh yeah, totally, I believe that.
There we go.
tim pool
They're like little dinosaurs.
elad eliahu
Little dinosaurs.
phil labonte
Jamie, look that up.
ami kozak
The whole tone of these shows, it's amazing because they spend most of their time post-election asking themselves, what's wrong with the country?
I don't understand.
What's wrong with everybody?
And not, what's wrong with us?
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
phil labonte
I mean, that's something that I've said a bunch of times.
They hate America.
On PCC today, we were talking about Ellen DeGeneres and her wife are leaving, and it's like, well, you know, they hate America.
They hate the fact that Donald Trump was elected by a majority of the American voting population and by, you know, the Electoral College.
ami kozak
It's an elitism, a disdain for those.
That's why they keep saying, listen, college-educated women voted for Kamala.
phil labonte
I mean, sort of.
ami kozak
That's the facts.
And I'm like...
Well, maybe college doesn't educate you.
unidentified
That's true.
phil labonte
Sort of.
But it's not just, it is elitism, but there's also, like, there's people that don't feel any connection to, like, the United States.
People that tend to be in, like, that tend to live in cities.
Like you can live in London or you could live in Paris or you could live in New York or you could live in LA or you could live in you know any number of cities in the West and it mostly feels the same.
You'll get most of the same stuff like you'll get a little bit different food maybe but otherwise it's the same thing.
But if you live in the woods or in the in like outside of the major cities it's real different.
If you live outside of Phoenix in the desert, it's totally different to living in New England, outside of the city.
So that kind of stuff makes a difference.
And people that are cosmopolitan, they're just like, whatever, it's all the same to me.
I live in a city in the U.S. or London or whatever, and it's all the same.
They don't have any connection to where they're from.
ian crossland
I'm doing some fact-checking on Rogan's beliefs on dragons.
Joe Rogan's Dragon Beliefs.
This is from an episode of his podcast with Adrian Lappalucci, if you want to look into it.
According to the snippets, he talked about ancient cultures like the Chinese, Japanese, ancient European cultures.
He suggested dragons might have been real flying lizards or like flying crocodiles.
He said he doesn't necessarily...
He's not sold on the fire-breathing aspect, but is convinced that there were large reptilian creatures that were referred to as dragons.
Now, I'll to go a step further and suggest it is possible that they had like...
Flammable saliva and maybe it was like they clicked something in the back of their throat and could like make a spark.
tim pool
This dragon believer.
ami kozak
Just wait till Joy Behar comes after you.
unidentified
Now you have this guy Tim Poole.
They're talking about saliva.
tim pool
Joe Rogan spitballing as a, you know, I bet there probably were stuff like this and then to turn it into he believes that dragons...
ian crossland
He suggested that these dragons might have been real.
Might have been.
phil labonte
Kimono dragons are real.
There are giant lizards that are bad.
ian crossland
Birds are like flying lizards.
unidentified
I mean, at some point we had dinosaurs.
elad eliahu
Mika and Joe ended up making up with Donald Trump.
Do you think there's any potential for The View to also make up with Donald Trump?
ami kozak
Whoopi's a comedian.
I could totally see her going on the show.
But I don't know.
At this point, it's too far gone.
It's a real betrayal of sort of the comedian's understanding of things.
Like, she comes from that world.
We forget because she's been on the show so long.
tim pool
Joe's point is actually really, really simple.
You go back 2,000 years or whatever, and you've got a village of 100 people.
And, you know, let's just say it's, I don't know, Rome.
And what's a Latin name?
I don't know, like Lucius or something?
Is that Latin?
phil labonte
Yeah, Lucius.
tim pool
There you go.
And he's like, in Latin, I'm gonna go travel to the next town over to see if they've got metal of some sort.
And as he's walking, he's like, boop, boop, boop.
And he sees a big lizard!
And it's huge!
It's like, you know, probably a meter.
And then he goes back and he's like, I swear it was as big as this!
You know, it was massive.
And then some guy was like, did you hear what Lucia said?
It was a lizard.
It was like six feet tall.
Oh yeah.
And then some guy's like, I hear there's a six foot tall lizard walking around.
And then someone's like, yeah.
And it was spitting and screaming, spitting.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
Spitting fire, they say.
And it didn't mean literal fire, but my point is...
You know, when you hear these stories about monsters, like the story of this, like where does Cyclops come from?
They found an elephant skull.
And the nose socket or whatever looks like one.
Yeah, they thought it was a Cyclops head.
And so then they draw pictures.
So you go back far enough and someone's going to be like, I fought a giant beast.
It was seven feet tall or they wouldn't say feet or whatever.
And it was like a black bear, you know, and then Minotaur was like actually just a bull.
Yeah, it was a bull that stood up and, like, you know, trampled somebody.
A bull in a maze.
ami kozak
Did you see the conversation between Richard Dawkins and Jordan Peterson?
He's like, do you actually believe in dragons or not?
You talk about dragons as if they're biological creatures.
Do you believe in dragons?
tim pool
What did Jordan Peterson say?
ami kozak
Well, he went to the mythological.
unidentified
He was like, take, you know, the most terrifying things you can think of, you know?
It's like, well, fire and wings and teeth that can soar through the heavens, you know, and destroy you.
You've had your own dragons in your life, you know?
ami kozak
To Richard, but he went to the mythology.
They were talking cross purposes.
tim pool
And Jordan Peterson did say that you're a chimpanzee full of snakes.
ian crossland
I wouldn't be surprised if there was glandular fire making.
tim pool
I do not believe that.
ian crossland
I don't think there would be any fossil records of the glands.
So I don't know.
All that stuff would decompose.
Maybe stuff literally could spit flammable fluid.
ami kozak
More disturbingly is like they're conflating the idea and they're so threatened by...
They're presenting it as if it's this threat that people have conversations.
And talk loosely about things.
And the fact that they're like, we have to be the controlled center of what is true and not true.
We are the ones who tell you and the authority.
There's this appeal in this clip that you could see this sort of elitism to.
They're so threatened by the popularity of conversation.
phil labonte
I don't want to hear anyone on The View telling me that they're going to judge Joe Rogan because he believes in dragons.
Because I bet at least one of them believes in astrology.
tim pool
Or that men can get pregnant.
phil labonte
There you go.
tim pool
But wouldn't it be funny if just like a couple thousand years ago there's some Chinese dude and he was like walking between towns and then there's like, I don't know where the Komodo dragons are native to, but let's just say there's like a big lizard somewhere.
ami kozak
Yeah.
tim pool
And it runs out of the bush after having just tried to eat a piece of flaming refuse because a lightning strike happened.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
And so it runs up and just barfs and this ball of fire falls out.
unidentified
Okay, here we go.
ian crossland
There are, the bombardier beetle is a real animal that spits flammable liquid called hydroquinone.
tim pool
It's not flammable.
ian crossland
This says...
phil labonte
It's boiling, it's not flammable.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a toxic boiling substance.
phil labonte
And it doesn't spit.
ian crossland
Well, there you go.
The chemicals mix in the air and undergo the exothermic heat-releasing chemical reaction.
phil labonte
I was literally just looking at Bombardier Beard.
ian crossland
Boiling hot, yeah.
Irritating boiling hot fluids.
So if there was a flying lizard that spit this hydroquinones...
tim pool
What's that shrimp that can snap so hard it creates a plasma blast?
phil labonte
Yeah, what is it?
tim pool
What is it?
Pistol shrimp.
Yeah, it snaps its little claws so fast, it creates a vacuum which creates a burst of light.
ami kozak
It's like Street Fighter shrimp.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like a Hadouken.
It's a plasma.
unidentified
Hadouken!
tim pool
Yeah, that's right.
ami kozak
You sent us down a rabbit hole.
tim pool
Dangerous shrimp.
But this is the nature of the media.
They don't like Joe Rogan, and they sit here telling how we tell the truth.
Meanwhile, they just spit lies all day to the point where they have to have legal disclaimers.
When she's like, we have a legal notice here, the human legal notice, I'm like, that's not a good thing to have to have.
That's indicative of how many lies you have.
ian crossland
They just released another one.
tim pool
She did another one?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Today.
ami kozak
Exclaimer?
ian crossland
Yeah, another one.
phil labonte
I don't think that it was about...
Oh, it was Hegseth.
Oh, Fox News, they're just like, hey, you'll be hearing from our lawyers, Sonny.
ami kozak
Doesn't seem to be working, whatever they keep doing, because judging by the way the cultural tides have turned, it's not working.
elad eliahu
They're going to go for Pete Hex, Seth Hex, by the way.
phil labonte
They're only interested in getting, they're after the awfuls.
They're after the awful viewership, just affluent white ladies.
ami kozak
It's siloing itself off more and more and more the more they double down on it, so it doesn't seem to be.
phil labonte
But I don't think that it matters.
I don't think that, like, obviously they don't want to, you know, get sued.
But beyond, like, legal ramifications, they don't have to say anything that's true.
elad eliahu
Well, they don't want to get Alex Jones or Fox News.
tim pool
So here's the video.
This is from today at 1 p.m.
Sonny Hauston has to read another correction on air for false claims she made against Matt Gaetz and Pete Hegseth.
phil labonte
Here you go.
sunny hostin
I have a legal note.
Matt Gaetz has long denied all allegations and has not been charged with any crime.
Gaetz previously dismissed allegations that he paid for sex, saying that, quote, someone is trying to recategorize my generosity to ex-girlfriends as something more untoward.
Another legal note, Pete Hegseth's lawyer said he paid the woman in 2023 to head off the threat of a baseless lawsuit.
He has denied any wrongdoing.
joy behar
Just call the show Legal Note from now on.
tim pool
I just gotta point this out.
We don't have to do this.
Like, we don't have to have a legal notice over the fake things that we say on this show because we don't say fake things.
ian crossland
In fact, if a fake thing gets said on the show, we'll actually shut the show down for the integrity of the show.
Or correct it in real time.
But there have been instances where we've actually terminated the process because integrity is more important than...
tim pool
We have never shut the show down for being wrong.
ian crossland
Well, making baseless claims, I think.
I've done that once when you were like, it's over.
tim pool
I see what you're saying.
ian crossland
Okay, I'm looking a little bit more at...
elad eliahu
They're trying to avoid a lawsuit here, and they're covering their basis.
Obviously, it's horrible to say wrong things about political people and not give their full comments and statements, but they saw what happened to Alex Jones and Sandy Hooks.
They're seeing what's happening with Dominion and Fox News.
I think there's another polling company that's also suing Fox News.
So they don't want a multi-million dollar lawsuit from these very litigious, you know, I'm sure Matt Gaetz and Pete Hetzeth have some of the greatest lawyers around.
tim pool
So we have a correction.
Official Lucid Traveler says it's the mantis shrimp.
And if a human had the arm strength relative to our size, we could launch a baseball into orbit from a standing position.
unidentified
It's cool.
elad eliahu
You're gonna get sued by those pistol shrimp now for lying about them.
tim pool
So it creates a vacuum underwater.
It forces the water away from each other so there's a vacuum and then there's a burst of light from plasma or something.
It's so powerful.
ian crossland
For cavitation?
elad eliahu
Everyone in the ocean is going to think these pistol shrimp are a threat now and a threat and a danger because Tim was spreading fake news.
ian crossland
Apparently there are huge hawks in Australia that carry smoldering sticks in their beaks across everything in Australia wants to kill you though.
To intentionally spread Brush fires.
tim pool
Everybody knows.
ian crossland
They'll carry flaming things with them.
tim pool
Everybody knows, Ian, that Australia is a high-level zone for endgame players.
ian crossland
Maybe people mistook flying hawks with carrying flaming sticks as dragons that fly down and light brush on fire.
ami kozak
Be careful.
tim pool
The United States is basically Elwynn Forest.
Okay.
It's like there's boars everywhere, they can't hurt you, and everything's fine, and you're comfortable, and you just run around, and it's very easy.
ian crossland
That's the starting zone for the Alliance in World of Warcraft.
ami kozak
You're going to get Joy Behar tomorrow just going after you.
Talking about pistol shrimp!
tim pool
Tim Pool thinks that there's a forest of boars where you get experience points in, well, it's called World of Warcraft.
ami kozak
Then they're going to read a legal note.
We have to say Tim Pool did not actually say...
tim pool
I do want to just mention as we get into the next story too, like World of Warcraft has become a hodgepodge of nonsense.
And, you know, all of the, like everything has become hodgepodge nonsense because they're trying to interconnect it.
Like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, there's a funny meme where it's like the first movie comes out and they're like, wow, a billionaire in a flying suit.
And then it's like 2024 and the multiverse is collapsing.
Gods are fighting on the planet.
There's a giant hand reaching out from the ocean because the earth is an egg.
Like none of it makes sense.
The governments are collapsing, there's bombs, just nuts.
And then you get games like World of Warcraft where they're like, the new expansion comes out and they're like, now we're underground.
And I'm like, you've gone to other dimensions.
You've gone to the past, to the future, now underground.
Like at a certain point, it's just, you're not expanding the story.
You're just throwing random things into the mix.
But anyway, I digress.
Let's jump to this next story from ABC News.
Russia launches new IRBM at Ukraine.
Zelensky says Putin is terrified.
Officials in Kiev initially said an ICBM had been launched towards Nipro.
Now, here's what's interesting about this.
The initial reports were that it was a MIRV, a multiple independently targeting reentry vehicle.
That's an intercontinental ballistic missile.
If that's true, it's the first use of an intercontinental ballistic missile in war ever.
The U.S. later came out denying it, saying it was not an ICBM. It was an intermediate-ranged ballistic missile.
They say it's modeled off of an ICBM that Russia has, but it's not a nuclear weapon.
It's an intermediate-range ballistic missile strike.
So it's much, much less powerful.
But it may actually be Very comparable.
If it is modeled off of, I think it's called like the RES-26 or something like that, it would carry four warheads.
So it's a smaller-yield weapon, but it's a ballistic missile strike on Kiev.
That could explain why Kiev thought it was an ICBM, because it looks very, very much like an ICBM. However, I'll also add, the West, NATO, U.S., could be lying because they are scared that this would be a direct escalation.
So let me put it this way.
Russia keeps saying, ooh, if you do this, I'll nuke you, but then they don't.
The West similarly does not want escalation outside of their control.
So if Russia actually did this time launch an ICBM, the West, not wanting to enter the fray on their terms, it's Sun Tzu, would say, no, no, don't worry.
It's not an ICBM.
It was a ballistic missile strike.
phil labonte
It could be.
Hold on.
An IRBM is essentially the same thing as an ICBM.
It's just for a different range.
Like it says, an IRBM is a type of ballistic missile with a range between 3,000 and 5,500 kilometers.
This category falls between medium-range ballistic missiles and intercontinental ballistic missiles.
IRBMs are designed for regional targets and often used for military and strategic purposes.
Payload capacity, several hundred kilograms.
Speed of around Mach 20.
A guidance system often using inertial navigation or terrain reference systems.
And the ability to carry conventional or nuclear warheads.
So it's the same thing as an ICBM.
It's just that it doesn't go as far.
ian crossland
The differential of ICBM and IR is not about payload capacity.
It's not about does it have a nuke or does it not.
Because you can have an ICBM without a nuke on board.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
But it's about how far can they travel.
That's all this is.
tim pool
So the question is, have IRBMs been used in war ever?
elad eliahu
Not that I'm aware of.
The reason why they haven't...
Well, the R part, I don't know.
But I think this is significant because ICBMs are...
I think for IRCBMs, they're supposed to be nuclear.
It was conventional attacks, but not nuclear.
tim pool
This is the first.
Sorry, the Department of Defense is saying this is the first time this weapon has been used.
Oh, no, no, no, they're saying on the battlefield in Ukraine.
Come on, get specific, guys.
This...
Both ICBMs, yeah, they're the same thing.
ABC News outright says that IRBMs can carry nuclear payloads.
ian crossland
It's the RS-26 Rubiz missile, not RES. And technically, from Southeast Asia to Australia, you could hit it with an IRBM, so it would be intercontinental.
It's just a different term.
elad eliahu
I think this is a message to us, not to the Ukrainians.
This is overkill.
The Russians didn't need this missile to hit Ukraine.
They were just showing that they had the ability to.
tim pool
This legit was a MIRV. I'm telling you, the West saying it's not an ICBM, calm down, is to control public sentiment towards the war.
If they come out right now and say, this is no different, this was a MIRV, this is the first time they've used it in combat, a multiple independently targeted reentry vehicle.
It's a ballistic missile that shoots in the air and then ejects several payloads that can target independent things.
So depending on the power of a MIRV, you can get one that can carry 8 to 12 warheads.
One rocket.
It has a ridiculous amount of power.
And I want to stress this.
People need to understand the bombs we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are incredibly, incredibly weak compared to technology that was developed in the 60s.
So modern nuclear weapons have around 1,250 times the explosive potential of Little Boy and Fat Man.
And those were gravity bombs.
ami kozak
Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
tim pool
Right, those were gravity bombs.
A bomber flies over the target and drops it.
It whistles, then the kinetic impact, boom.
Modern weapons are rockets that drop payloads that airburst and then spread all over.
It's nuts.
ami kozak
The megatons are way, way, way, way more.
tim pool
Right, and the RS-26 has a payload range of 150 kilotons to 300 kilotons, which would, if a missile of that power, just one of its warheads, unless they're multiplying by four, but assuming that each warhead is going to be in that range, between 150 and 300 would eliminate the entire metro area of Washington, D.C., I don't want to mince words.
elad eliahu
This is obviously an escalation.
I will say, though, I do think Russia is treading lightly, though, because according to Reuters, at least, a US official said Russia notified Washington before its strike.
And while another official said the US has briefed Kiev and its allies to prepare for the possible use of such a weapon, they did not want the Americans to confuse this for an attack on them.
unidentified
Exactly.
elad eliahu
They did not want them to.
phil labonte
Well, the whole point was they didn't, because the U.S. and other countries, obviously, but because the U.S. does have advanced monitoring systems, a missile like this, when it launches, it took like five minutes was the actual travel time, but a missile like that, within one minute, I read a book by, I forget the woman's name, but she was talking about what happens in a nuclear war.
Just on Joe Rogan a couple months ago or whatever.
ami kozak
A nuclear war.
What can happen?
phil labonte
So I read her book and it's really good, but they know about the launches within 30 seconds.
They have a trajectory within the first few minutes, I think seven minutes or something like that.
So the Russians use the existing communication lines for nuclear launches.
To connect with the United States and say, hey, we're going to do this just so you know it's not a nuke.
elad eliahu
And it's not coming to you.
It's hitting Ukraine.
ian crossland
Also, it sounds like it was a warning shot from the Russians saying, this could have had nukes on board, by the way.
elad eliahu
It's a dry run.
ami kozak
It's a flex of capability.
To just show what they're capable of doing.
elad eliahu
Well, that's all Russia has left.
This kind of nuclear saber rattling.
Conventionally, I think they are failing to achieve what their initial military goals were in Ukraine.
And now, Putin's best weapon right now is trying to scare people into thinking that he would use nuclear weapons.
ian crossland
Yeah, and hold off for two months until Trump's in office.
I just did post a thing.
I wasn't able to confirm or deny it, but that Putin's basically saying, when Trump's in office, I'm open to discussing the ceasefire.
Let's get this over.
unidentified
Ugh.
elad eliahu
I don't think...
It's so interesting because I hope Trump will be able to come to some sort of agreement between Putin and Zelensky and Ukraine.
But I just don't see the interests aligning up like that.
I don't think the Ukrainians want to give up any of their sovereign territory.
A lot of pro-Ukrainian people still think they want to liberate Crimea, which I don't think is ever happening.
While on the other side, I think it's within Putin's geopolitical interest to continue pushing west.
He didn't think he got enough of Ukraine.
I think he wanted to go up until at least Kiev early on in the war.
I think that was his objective.
ian crossland
If he kept pushing, I would advocate for war against the Russians.
elad eliahu
Oh, I think he was successful.
ian crossland
If he kept conquering West, that's crazy.
elad eliahu
If he got to Kiev, I mean, I think that was his goal.
ian crossland
At ease of the Donbass, I understand that he wants access to the Black Sea for portage.
elad eliahu
You think he just wants up until the Donbass, though?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think they want to transport steel through the Black Sea into the Mediterranean.
elad eliahu
You think he'd be satisfied with the Donbass?
ian crossland
20 to 30% enhancing their GDP as a result of trade?
phil labonte
Ian and Elahad, there is a reason that NATO exists, right?
Ukraine is not NATO. Oh, I didn't say go to war with them.
Okay, so, but...
Ukraine.
Poland is a NATO country now, right?
And it borders Ukraine.
You do not need to go to war for Ukraine.
You do not need to go to war with Russia, like direct war with the United States and Russia for Ukraine.
If they were to attack Poland, then things are different because of NATO. Do you think we should go to war with Russia if they were to invade Poland?
elad eliahu
Because I think for most people, you say that's a contractual agreement.
ami kozak
You'd have to...
elad eliahu
They don't even know the difference.
ami kozak
The treaty alliance would require it.
phil labonte
Yeah, but that's on paper.
People understand the difference between NATO and non-NATO countries.
At least I think...
ami kozak
Isn't that the crux of the issue?
phil labonte
Yeah, that's the whole point of me saying this.
Like Ian said, go to war over Ukraine.
The whole point is Russia doesn't want...
NATO expansion into Ukraine.
Doesn't want the United States to go and be defending Ukraine.
That's what Russia said.
ian crossland
I agree.
phil labonte
And so, like, to go to war over Ukraine, that's insane.
ian crossland
It would be about the belligerents.
If he was actually trying to conquer Europe, which I don't think he is, if he showed his hands like, look, I really do want to conquer, then it's like, no, no, no.
Hit her 3.0, we're not going there.
phil labonte
That's what I said, though.
That's what I said when I said...
tim pool
It doesn't matter if Putin wants to conquer Europe or not.
The wars that we're facing are not just some evil guy towing his mustache, Vladimir Putin sitting in his chair and being like, we will take all of Russia now.
No, he's saying we need access to Crimea.
We are not giving up a multi-billion dollar industrial port and where our Black Sea fleet is stationed.
And this is where we do a lot of our trade.
And we will secure a land bridge.
And we will secure the Sea of – what is it?
The Sea of Azov.
Is that what it's called?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And he says, we're going to have that.
Then what happens is the U.S. gets involved in supplying weapons.
Then we blow up their flagship.
Then Russia says they're attacking us when we're trying to secure this resource.
How do we stop them?
We're going to have to push them beyond the borders of the regions we have to control.
Then you get Belarus involved.
Then all of a sudden, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland are saying Belarus is mobilizing and they're transporting weapons in Belarus.
So Poland starts mobilizing.
Now you've got Germany calling up 800,000 troops.
It's not because any one side is trying to conquer.
It's because there's one point where both sides bump into each other and then they keep saying, I'm going to win.
No, you're not.
It's a game of chicken that both people are going to crash into each other.
You don't need Putin saying, I want to take over Europe to get full scale World War three.
Putin can say to China, look, if we lose access to Sevastopol and to this base, we is going to decimate our economy and it's going to give NATO too much control.
Give us weapons and troops and we'll end this quickly.
China, now they've detained a Chinese vessel in the Baltic that Denmark is accusing of severing communications cables, which people fear may be a precursor to a larger scale attack.
If China is involved and trying to grab some plausible deniability, this could escalate then with the U.S. saying, now we're going to put sanctions on China because you did this.
All of it is dominoes falling over.
Nobody wants war.
War is a last resort.
And this is a fact.
There's a lot of people who say, no, the war machine, they want war.
I get that.
I get that.
The war machine makes money by selling weapons, all these things.
What I'm saying is, for governments, what they want is money.
For the military industrial complex, they don't necessarily want war.
They want sales.
And so for Russia, they're thinking, we want to increase our economy.
We want to get more for our people.
Putin's saying largely for himself.
And how do you do that?
Well, we need access here.
NATO is saying...
Russia's charging us too much and we need cheaper energy to Europe so that we can get costs down and expand the European economic block so that we can compete with China.
So they claim both sides are fighting over limited resources and it's going to be dominoes falling over and it could potentially bubble up into something crazy unless, and this one's easy, Donald Trump intervenes in two months and says, we are done.
It is better to accept the loss of L'Hans, Donets, Mariupol, and Zaporizhia.
And I guess, what is that also?
Kurson?
If it means no World War III, we don't care about Ukraine.
Give...
Step back.
Russia takes this territory.
There's sanctions.
There's penalties.
Whatever it might be.
But there's no reason to do a tit-for-tit that expands to the point where they're going to start firing more ICBMs or IRBMs.
elad eliahu
Do you believe that Russia would be satisfied with just the Donbass and Crimea?
Okay.
ami kozak
Do you think there's some kind of...
Like, aspirational goal of Soviet bloc dominance that motivates Putin to have some sort of regional...
elad eliahu
I think they want defendable borders.
unidentified
100%.
ami kozak
This, like, Greater Rus ideology.
elad eliahu
Soviet empire.
tim pool
100%.
ami kozak
I'm very much into that.
tim pool
Vladimir Putin is mad that the Soviet Union collapsed.
He didn't think it needed to happen.
And he's been trying to rebuild it with the Russian Federal...
It's the Federation Trade...
What is it?
Whatever it's called.
The Russian Federation Trade Bloc or whatever.
The conflict in Ukraine, as complicated as it is, one component, is that before Yanukovych was ousted...
NATO and the EU were offering up deals to Yanukovych saying, hey, open up trade with Europe.
Do these things.
We're going to normalize your economy.
It's going to be able to join the EU, the Schengen zone, all that.
Your citizens will come and go as they please.
Vladimir Putin said, if you open up trade to Europe and you have free trade with us, that means Russian goods are going to flood into Russia and displace our manufacturing base.
We can't have free imports.
There has to be some controls on it.
ami kozak
European goods into Ukraine?
tim pool
So...
Let me rephrase.
ian crossland
He might have misspoke.
He said Russian goods will flow into Russia.
tim pool
European goods will flow through Ukraine and then because Ukraine has free trade with Russia, into Russia.
Russia is basically saying, if we make a t-shirt here and they start making it cheaper over there and then it comes into Russia, we lose jobs.
We can't do that.
So they said to Ukraine, you're going to have to choose whether you want free trade with Europe or free trade with us.
Yanukovych then says, oh, boy, we got some leverage.
The West then says, yeah, and we've got the CIA.
So you get bubbling up protests.
I'm not saying the CIA directly orchestrated this.
I'm saying they have soft power and manipulation telling Ukraine you're going to go this route.
Yanukovych tried playing both.
He gets ousted, flees to Russia.
They install a more positive government that favors NATO and the EU. Vladimir Putin says, okay, now we're going to lose access to our industrial port and our Black Sea fleet staging area, which is the naval base in Sevastopol.
They are not satisfied with a single bridge in the Kerch Strait.
ian crossland
That's east, yeah.
tim pool
Right.
And so that got bombed recently.
So Russia's thinking, we need stronger control and access to this region.
So of course, they're going to take these regions so they can secure Sevastopol.
Many people have said, but Tim, why don't they just build in Sochi and build a naval base there?
You're telling Russia, abandon military technology, engineering, and a base they've been using since the Soviet Union.
They're just going to say, no, it's hundreds of millions of dollars and it's control and access.
They're not just giving up the technology.
They're not just giving up the infrastructure.
They're giving up this regional control, this regional port.
So then they're going to try and take this.
Now it's possible Russia tries to push in for more.
I doubt it.
And I think the issue is that...
Already, you have Estonia and Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, they're in NATO, and Ukraine now is inching towards it, and they're saying they want to do that.
Russia's basically like, okay, so on our entire border is one military alliance.
As many people have said, we would not tolerate if Russia started arming Mexicans and the cartels were fighting and stuff either.
I'm not saying Russia's right.
Russia's invasion was wrong.
I'm just saying they may stop with taking the Donbass.
And it's not just that.
It's Luhansk, Donetsk, Mariupol, Kherson, Zaporizhia, and then they control Crimea already.
ami kozak
Russia's so big, man.
They have all that other stuff.
tim pool
They need energy.
ami kozak
They got all that.
Do you ever look at the globe and be like, Man, Russia's big.
Yeah.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Some of those maps are- Just as a counter to what you just- But most of it- There's a lot of it that's frozen, man.
ami kozak
It's like big.
No, I know.
tim pool
It is big.
It's got more surface air than Pluto.
ami kozak
Yeah.
tim pool
So I read on the internet one time.
Well, let's do this.
ami kozak
And they have dragons.
ian crossland
Possibly true.
tim pool
As I'm talking about Russia and the conflict, we have this story from Fox News.
Caravan of 1,500 migrants forms in Mexico.
They hope to reach the U.S. before President-elect Trump takes office in January.
My proposal right now is any one of these...
individuals.
In fact, nay, any individual from the point that Trump was was formally declared the winner should get an aggravated criminal charge for entering the United States.
Yeah, because it is apparent now by popular mandate that the that immigration is a problem that people want stopped the entire Rio Grande Valley, all the southern border counties said voting Republican major shift, make this stop.
These people have outright said to themselves, the American people have rejected us.
We better run full speed to kick the door in before they can stop us.
I say, okay, you want to play hardball?
Aggravated charges, escalated charges to some degree for knowingly coming in at this point trying to bypass the popular mandate of these people.
elad eliahu
It feels like we're at a crossroads when it comes to this immigration issue.
Either we have a serious border that you legally you cannot cross and there will be penalties for crossing or you do not.
It's the biggest insult.
It is such a spit in the face to every legal migrant that ever came to this country for you to just cross the line and then get privileged access to what you come to New York City.
You're going to get a free hotel.
You're going to be well fed.
Come with your entire family.
We'll treat you very well.
Not only that, you want to leave to another state, even though you may have shoplifted or committed a crime in New York, we'll buy a bus ticket for you to leave the state and go to, I don't know, some random Midwestern state where you could go and assault and then murder a jogger, a young woman, a young female jogger.
And, you know, nobody cares.
This is the case of Lake and Riley that has been so pivotal and significant in this past election.
tim pool
That video they released of the mom being informed, it's worse than any horror movie you've ever seen.
ian crossland
It's a little off.
Daniel Penny also.
We can talk about that maybe on the after show.
His interrogation got released.
That was a different story completely.
Yeah, the Lake and Riley thing.
The guy got found guilty on ten counts.
elad eliahu
He was found guilty of multiple things before this.
He came here illegally.
He was given all of these accommodations in New York City.
He committed crimes in New York City.
He was given a bus ticket to leave New York City to, I forget which state he eventually went to.
Georgia?
I think it was Georgia.
I don't want to guess.
No, I do believe it was Georgia, where he was living next to a college campus where a jog in Lincoln Riley was.
ian crossland
And now the American Girl's dead?
Because of that?
I think, what's the ultimate deterrence?
Force?
A force on the border?
You know, it's just about, can the American people...
I don't want to spark a revolution inside the country because people are like, you can't harm them!
elad eliahu
Can the American stomach a mass deportation effort from Donald Trump?
phil labonte
We should test and find out.
ami kozak
Well, here's the thing.
You have to also...
Understand that you can make easily common sense distinctions between criminals and violent criminals and prioritize who you're going to deport.
Sure.
Because even practically speaking, there's only a certain thing you can do before you start.
Not to say that crossing the border illegally is not a crime, but there is a prioritization of violent criminals and being able to have that conversation honestly.
I think we're at a point now where you can do that.
What's interesting is that during the campaign...
Like Kamala Harris was trying to outperform Trump on her stance on immigration out of nowhere.
Remember, what was interesting was back in the day, 2016, 2020, Trump's views on immigration were seen as totally controversial, xenophobic, racist.
And then the common sense meter moved in his favor and the Democrats are trying to say, we're good on it now.
And now that he's won, but Biden's still president, what's happening?
Which is really interesting.
Like, did they just drop that as a talking point?
You sort of show your cards when you do.
phil labonte
In 2016, when Trump first started talking about immigration, I had no sense that immigration was a problem.
I was like, really?
Is there a problem with immigration?
I mean, being from New England, it wasn't something that touched my area, part of the country, at least very deeply.
ami kozak
He spoke about it rather provocatively.
phil labonte
He did, he did.
ami kozak
They're bringing drugs.
They're bringing crime.
phil labonte
The truth of the matter is he was right, and not only was he right then, the Democrats doubled down on all their policies, and I've talked about this multiple times, but I'm going to talk about it again.
The...
The HHS, the Department of Health and Human Services, has a program called the Refugee Resettlement Program.
You can go to their website and look it up.
The last time it was updated was 2021. And this program is the program that they use to take people that come to the country and say, I'm looking for asylum.
And they put them on planes and put them on buses and they send them to places that are purple states.
So they send them to, they were sending them to Ohio.
That's why Springfield, Ohio got all the attention that it did.
Because they were sending people using tax money, using federal dollars to relocate these people to places with the intent, with the goal of turning them from purple to blue.
And that's what Elon Musk has talked about.
And people were saying, "Oh, that's not true, not true." And if you are interested in looking to find out about the program, like I said, you can go to the HHS website.
It's called the Refugee Resettlement Program.
It is as real as all of us sitting around the table.
And this is something that the government is doing, not just Democrats, but the government is doing because the government is run by Democrats, essentially.
And most bureaucrats are Democrats.
It was 95% of D.C. voted for Kamala Harris.
It is so unrepresentative of the United States.
But it's because the Democrats want to have a permanent one-party control of the United States.
And the means that they're trying to do is by changing the makeup of the states.
tim pool
And it's funny because they may have accidentally done the inverse.
ami kozak
Hispanics voted for Trump.
tim pool
Right.
Maybe we don't deport them.
They've created this Republican coalition.
Well, the people here who are Hispanic and can vote don't get deported.
But the Democrats are literally making that argument.
They're saying Trump's going to deport legal Latinos who live in this country.
It's like, what?
He's not going to deport Americans.
ami kozak
They see everything through the lens of identity and not the lens of people who are just thinking ideas generated.
tim pool
But here's the best part.
Democrats, we were terrified, we're trying to secure a permanent majority single party rule, but they have gone so insane that now there's a debate inside the Democratic Party that they're either too woke or not economically populist enough, and both sides don't agree.
ami kozak
Turning on each other in the way.
tim pool
They've basically split two parties.
The far left party that says we should be more woke.
We should talk about helping people.
And the more moderate side of traditional Democrats saying we need to focus on union workers.
And the Republicans are like, you know what?
We already do that and we're not crazy.
So we're good.
And we just won.
That's why.
ian crossland
I bet there are illegal immigrants, some of them that are just super legitimate humans who would make great citizens, have they come in the right way, that are like, there are too many illegal immigrants in this country.
I bet it's gotten to that point.
phil labonte
It's unlikely that illegal immigrants are people that are extremely skilled or whatever.
Most of the people that are here that are coming illegally are coming illegally because they don't have they don't have money.
They don't have means to get here.
They don't have connections.
If you're if you're a really smart person that that excels in your home country, you have some kind of means like the one of the people that want to come here legally.
But the people that come here legally are the people that are doctors and have have, you know, either a business mind or they they own property in their in their countries and they want to they want to move from there to here.
But the people that come here illegally, they're not...
ian crossland
I would have said tongue-in-cheek, like, it would be a funny sketch for Seamus to do of a guy who came here illegally in 2015 who's like, I can't take all these illegal immigrants.
Like, he's just...
Because he's actually, like...
Because not all of them are obviously stupid, dumb, idiot, useless.
phil labonte
No, they're just average.
ian crossland
You don't want to generalize.
ami kozak
But isn't there something to be said about anyone who wants to leave the conditions of a country that they don't like is resourceful enough to say, motivated enough to say, ambitious enough to say that they want better for their families?
elad eliahu
Is it incumbent upon us to take them in?
No, I'm not making the argument.
ami kozak
You've got to go through legal ports of entries and go through the process and respect the process.
But in general, someone who's willing to uproot themselves and leave does possess, more likely than not, A certain drive or motivation to improve their situation.
ian crossland
It did seem like that over the decade, you'd think, but then when there's NGOs that are ushering them along and making profit doing it, I wonder if they're just actually being trafficked.
unidentified
It also just...
ami kozak
Immigration is a very...
phil labonte
There's plenty of trafficking.
ami kozak
The term immigration...
Immigrants, depending on where they come from, are completely different people, and it's a very complicated subject because...
Immigrants, and immigration is not a monolith.
It all depends on the culture that people come from, the backgrounds, the things that they bring with them, and you have to assess that on a case-by-case basis.
I think we're in a period now which is, the good thing is that in a post-woke world, people can express opinions and not presume to be malicious.
They can express their concerns without people presuming, you know...
elad eliahu
We need a moratorium, baby.
I think we need a decade-long assimilation period for everybody who's here.
phil labonte
I used to have a negative view about that.
I'm more and more...
I've warmed to that view significantly.
elad eliahu
I think we also need to address, it's not only mass deportations that need to happen.
Big business is in cahoots with illegal immigrants because they are the ones who pay them.
So if we went after the big businesses who were paying these illegal migrants, they wouldn't have as much incentive to come here.
They wouldn't have the means to stay and remain here, and they'd have to leave.
So there are multiple methods that we have to adjust this from.
We won't be able to mass deport everybody.
We need to change the incentive structure around them.
We've been allowing big business to, frankly, take advantage of these illegal migrants, and that's why they come and stay here.
Stop that incentive structure.
ami kozak
And also, if you have a welfare state, you have a problem if you have mass immigration plus a welfare state, which can drain money.
elad eliahu
Even without the welfare state, though.
But I agree with you, it makes it worse, but...
phil labonte
What is it, $3,500 a month they get on a credit card of federal dollars?
ami kozak
No, but in general, you do need an enforced border for a nation's sovereignty.
elad eliahu
If you're an illegal migrant and you come to New York, you will have all accommodation provided to you.
And if you want to leave, they'll also provide accommodation for you to leave.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from Fox Business.
Lifelong Jaguar customer troubled by baffling woke rebrand going in a very sad direction.
What I really love about this commercial, if you guys haven't seen it, is that it's, I don't know if it's so much as woke as it tries to be like futurist, post-modernist art style and just not Jaguar.
So they've got a bunch of different people wearing weird clothes with weird makeup and I guess no eyebrows.
Some have eyebrows.
And this image, for instance, is really funny because it says break molds.
There's a U in molds, but we get it.
You're British.
And there's another tag that said copy nothing.
And everyone's showing this image alongside the Apple 1984 ad where it's a woman wearing orange and white with a sledgehammer and blonde hair.
And they're like, it's like the same thing.
phil labonte
I think that's a man.
tim pool
Okay, well, perhaps.
So the issue now is, oh, and they're comparing it to Bud Light.
So here's the thing.
I kind of feel like we should watch this video.
It's a three minute and 50 second long video.
And this is tough because I'm like, I can't show you the context of Volvo's commercial because it's a it's a 350 minute long story.
But perhaps we should just watch right now and react to it.
This commercial.
Okay, so let me break it down.
The Jaguar commercial was weird, cringe and probably produced before the election.
Now they probably regret it, but they launched it anyway.
Everyone is singing the praises of this Volvo video.
This guy, Juliam Huynh, says Volvo posted a three minute, 46 second long ad on Instagram shot by Hoyt Van Hoytema, the cinematographer of Innisteller and Oppenheimer.
It goes against every single rule you can think of about, think about as a social lead length format overproduced.
Every comment under the ad said it immediately put Volvo in their consideration set.
It's effing fantastic.
Now, it's an ad and if I got to say it normally, I'd say, let's play some clips so you can No, no, no.
I think we gotta watch this in full because the context around this is extremely important.
The video is a short film.
It's tremendously important culturally.
For what the future of this country and the countries it's advertising to, what it means.
And it's a car commercial.
So just watch this.
And I will say this, when I first saw it, I'm going, yeah, yeah, okay, I get where they're going, I get it.
And then the ending hit and I went, holy crap.
Check it out.
unidentified
Hey.
Hey.
You okay?
Yeah.
For those that are just listening, she pulls out a pregnancy test.
Pregnancy Test Hey, love.
Hey, Mum.
How are you guys?
How are you doing?
Yeah.
Yeah, we're good.
joy behar
Something wrong?
unidentified
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, but we've, uh...
We've actually got something to tell you.
Kate's pregnant.
Oh, Andy, you're joking.
You're gonna be her grandma.
I'm scared, Mum.
joy behar
Why are you scared?
unidentified
About it all, you know?
The nights, the responsibility.
We're going to need a bigger place.
Can I help with all that?
I know.
Bless you.
I'm so sweet.
I've got this feeling that we're going to have a daughter just as stubborn as her mum.
Well, hopefully not.
The family's love.
That's a legacy she might have to live with.
She might be the reason we're tired or not.
What if I don't do good in class?
I just want to say and do the right things, you know?
If I want to see the world with her, I'll also be happy staying home, doing nothing, letting her be a kid.
Are you awake?
Number 32. Thank you.
I want to see her fall in love.
But I also know what that means.
And I know she's going to bend the rules just like I did.
And one day, I'll have to let her go.
I'm excited to hear what she learns about the world herself.
She adores.
She hates.
I hope she likes the name Giffa.
Have you thought of that name?
It all depends.
Like...
Now.
It says sometimes the moments that never happen matter the most.
*Sigh* And he's in a hospital.
tim pool
She gave birth to their daughter.
And then it shows the accident that didn't happen because Volvo has good brakes.
unidentified
This is so good.
phil labonte
It's really, really good.
ami kozak
Choked up a little bit.
tim pool
Yeah, when I first started watching this commercial, and the reason why we had to play it in full, the context in order for us to comment on, we can't just tell you what happens.
You have to sort of experience it.
I know for people listening, it was much more difficult.
But it starts off with, we're having a kid, and I was like, I get it, I get it, I know everybody likes it, because we saw that one other commercial where the guy and the woman are having a kid and everyone celebrated it.
But they literally turned it into this A-B plot where he's talking about how happy he is to finally have a child and how he's scared of the responsibility.
And then the B plot is his wife was pregnant, buying food, about to cross a street, and then a car is about to hit her.
And it's a Volvo.
And the brakes are so good she doesn't die.
And his child lives.
And the reason why I think it's so powerful is you take a look at what Jaguar is doing with this weird, creepy, futuristic art garbage.
You look at these companies that are telling people that families are bad or that you should be guilty for having kids.
And Volvo's like, let's do a commercial that's a short film celebrating having a family and showing you that our vehicles are safe as the twist.
And it's like, that's what commercials should be.
And so we should encourage more commercials like this.
Now I want to buy a Volvo.
ian crossland
Let's show the Jaguar commercial back now.
Now we have some reference.
This is what you're up against.
tim pool
Yeah, let me pull up the Jaguar commercial.
phil labonte
The first thing I thought when I saw the Jaguar commercial was Grace Jones from the 80s.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
Copy nothing.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Copy nothing, but it's like, well, this is just androgyny from the 80s.
What are you talking about?
Copy nothing.
ian crossland
You'll see it early on, and they make a statement like, it's all about joy and happiness, and everyone looks miserable.
tim pool
Is it 30 seconds?
Is that it?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a short one.
tim pool
All right, here you go.
And it's painfully bad.
It's just, it's painfully bad.
phil labonte
Here we go.
ian crossland
We're exuberant.
That's it.
And everyone looks miserable.
unidentified
Live vivid.
Delete ordinary.
Break molds.
ami kozak
Should have done the VF.
tim pool
Otherwise, people listening just hear weird music.
And then it's a bunch of weird makeup people copy nothing.
ian crossland
On Mars.
tim pool
They changed the logo.
I don't necessarily think it's fair to call it woke.
You know, people are saying, go well, go broke and all that.
I'm like, well, there's nothing in it that says anything about gender ideology or race or anything like that.
It's just cringe.
ami kozak
I got choked up from that, too.
ian crossland
I'm still choking.
ami kozak
It's like the end of the end.
ian crossland
The people in the comments were like, where's the car?
What does this have to do with cars?
tim pool
When I first saw it, I didn't know it was for the car commercial.
Or for the car company.
I thought Jaguar was going to be some, like, other brand thing.
I thought it was going to be, like, an art pop.
Yeah.
And then they were like, no.
Like, people were like, look at the old logo.
I was like, wait, that was the car?
So apparently what's happening is they want to go all electric vehicle.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Or they say a fully realized electric fleet or something.
The language alluded to the fact they're just going to do EVs.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
And so they decided this is the route to go.
ian crossland
They should have put a car in it at least.
tim pool
I know.
ian crossland
Driving by in the background or something.
tim pool
Meanwhile, and you know, I do kind of feel bad for them because they probably put a bunch of money into this from before the election.
And then I wonder if after the election they're sitting there going...
Do we still run this ad?
Meanwhile, Volvo was producing theirs well before the election, and they were like, look, people want safe cars because they have children.
That's the commercial.
ian crossland
If you pull it up on Twitter, the comments from Jaguar in response to the comments of like, what is this car?
They keep responding.
Do you sell cars, Elon?
unidentified
It's funny.
ami kozak
Elon Musk has got incredible trolling.
tim pool
We'd love to show you.
Join us for a cuppa in Miami on 2nd of December.
Warmest regards, Jaguar.
Hello, thanks.
Crusaders has boycott Jaguar along with any other business that still doesn't get it.
They said, thanks for the feedback.
We'll be sure to pass on to the team.
Best wishes.
I don't know.
This is surely a joke that's at a pivotal moment.
Let me just jump to the replies.
ami kozak
Maybe it's brilliant.
elad eliahu
I saw all the vibrant colors and you're thinking, oh, maybe they're bringing one of these weird colors to one of the cars.
Maybe they're doing something interesting.
Maybe they're breaking the mold with a weird, vibrant orange or yellow.
Nah, they're just...
I don't know.
What mold are they breaking?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
They should have had some indication of what they're doing.
ami kozak
It should have been the opposite of the Volvo thing where they all get hit by a Jaguar at the end instead of the brakes.
tim pool
You know, look at this image.
Look what they're doing with this vehicle.
Like, is this really what they think they're going to be selling?
ian crossland
It was a Porsche from the 80s.
tim pool
But I'm telling you, you know what happened?
Some millennial women came into the marketing department and they said, the company said, look, sales are down in this area.
What can we do to revitalize the brand?
And they brought in some woke millennial women with big glasses, the huge oval frames, and she pushed them up and she's like, we're going to go.
ami kozak
He's postmodern.
tim pool
Leo, postmodern art.
ian crossland
Andy Warhol.
All the way.
What would Andy Warhol do?
He would tell us to copy nothing.
Let's copy him.
tim pool
It's going to look like a TV. It's going to look like what they thought...
Okay, how he says this.
It's going to look like what people in the 1950s thought a TV in the year 2000 would look like.
ami kozak
Uh-huh.
tim pool
There you go.
elad eliahu
You gotta wonder if this stuff's bait nowadays, because these companies know they're going to get a ton of attention.
There's going to be a bunch of news stories written about it.
Oh, Jaguar's new car breaks the mold.
And there was anti-LGBTQ commentators say that, oh no, they're still in the mold.
ian crossland
We are talking about them now.
Jaguar, electric vehicles.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
ami kozak
Maybe it's brilliant.
elad eliahu
Maybe it's like an anti- We're being psyoped.
We're taking the bait.
tim pool
I will tell you this.
The one thing they have going for them is that Democrats and liberals will do whatever the right...
They'll do the opposite of whatever the right is doing.
So when it came to like RFK Jr. being like, I don't think we should eat poison.
They're like, oh yeah?
Now they're advocating for McDonald's as much.
elad eliahu
You guys go to the gym?
No, I'm going to stay home, eat a bunch of hamburgers.
unidentified
I just wanted to be subject to a blind study non-placebo trial.
tim pool
That's exactly it.
And so now you've got...
unidentified
There's beef jerky here, but it's processed, and I think we should subject it to a blind study on placebo trial.
tim pool
But now you've got Chris Mowry, who is doing this video, who's being like, it's not the chemicals in the food that are making people fat, it's that you're eating garbage and not exercising.
It's because I'm in a box that makes small explosions in the back that propels me forward, and it's like...
Okay, dude, you are so incredibly wrong on all of this, but why are you defending butylated hydroxylitolium in our food?
You don't even know what that is.
I don't even know what that is.
All I know is I don't need to eat it.
And if you come to me and say, but the studies say it's safe, I don't care.
How about I just eat, I don't know, meat and rice, just simple things.
And they're going to be like, but you know, there's a chemical compound called this.
Yes, I know.
But it came from the ground and I know I can eat it.
They've got Democrats and liberals defending eating weird chemicals that are lab made, like the New York Times fact check against RFK Jr. So what's likely going to happen is a bunch of liberals are going to be like, I'm buying a Jaguar now.
Who was it who said these celebrities tweeted they sold their Teslas?
ami kozak
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they bought other EVs.
ian crossland
Ellen DeGeneres?
She's moving to England.
ami kozak
Did you see the Shane Gillis Bud Light commercial?
unidentified
The what?
ami kozak
The Shane Gillis new Bud Light commercial?
tim pool
Better, but I'm not a fan.
ian crossland
What did he do?
ami kozak
Of the commercial, what they're trying to do?
tim pool
Yeah, so it's like Shane Gill's sitting on a chair and he's like, I think I'm in the wrong commercial.
And they're like, aren't you...
What did they say?
Aren't you like...
ami kozak
You're this one other guy.
tim pool
And he's like, no.
And they're like, oh.
And then there's another guy going, woo, and drinking beer.
And I was like, okay.
ami kozak
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, I got to chuckle out of it because Shane's just going like, uh, what's going on?
But there was no heavy joke.
I feel like...
I'm sorry, dude.
Look, Shane Gillis is super funny, but they are desperately trying to rescue this dead brand, and they think they're going to get by without actually addressing the fact that, hey, look, I said we should own it and take their money, but it doesn't matter what I think.
I'm one guy.
The right has said never unless they apologize, and they think they're going to get through without apologizing.
ami kozak
It's more about what doing a commercial like that means about the culture, because what they're trying to appeal to is what people actually resonate with, whereas in the woke advertising world in a lot of situations, it's not like these people really ideologically believe this stuff.
They're just like, we think this is the trendy, resonant idea, so we're going to try to do this You know, nonsensical, far, like, postmodern approach, thinking it will resonate.
And I think we're in a time now where it's like they're realizing it's being rejected.
It's funny, like, when you see SNL trying to, like, go edgy, more right-wing, and being okay with certain things, and I don't buy it because it's like...
You're trying to say, oh, you were self-critical and self-aware the whole time when you weren't.
So it's this pandering kind of thing, but it more reflects that they're trying to appeal to what most common sense people feel.
tim pool
Volvo deserves to just make a billion dollars for doing a good ad that celebrates family and safety.
They made a very basic commercial.
There's no weird colors.
There's no ideology.
It's just literally a guy who's excited to have a kid, which is a normal human experience.
And then there's like the brakes work and it's going to keep people safe.
And you're like, that's all we care about.
That's it.
You've sold me.
So I hope we reward marketing campaigns like that.
And Jaguar...
You know, look, I want Jaguar to do what Volvo did.
So I hope they do lose money and realize this is a terrible campaign.
I think it's fair to say it's not woke, necessarily, just because it's weird art stuff.
It's just cringe.
phil labonte
It reminds me of, like...
Of an 80s movie that had an advertisement in the movie.
It's something that you would see as a commercial in Robocop 2 or something like that.
ami kozak
Dystopian 80s future.
Demolition Man portrayal.
phil labonte
Exactly.
ami kozak
Where everything is just messed up.
phil labonte
Look, look, it's so futuristic and crazy and blah, blah, blah.
Isn't it cool?
And it's like the point of those commercials was to be...
ami kozak
Like Fifth Element.
ian crossland
Yes, exactly.
phil labonte
Ridiculous.
The point of those commercials was to be ridiculous and be beyond what people would kind of consider normal.
And I don't think that this makes anybody want to buy a car.
I don't think that it makes...
tim pool
It's Hunger Games.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, that's very similar to the idea.
But I don't think that makes anyone want to buy a car.
ami kozak
I don't know who the demographic that they're after is.
I thought Jaguars is for dads who want a sportier car.
I don't know.
tim pool
I thought it was supposed to be an upscale six-figure guy who's looking for a high-end car so he can be like, I got a Jag.
And you're like, oh wow, that's a great vehicle.
Now it's going to be this weird...
Like, sleek, solid, pastel.
ian crossland
It's owned by Tata Motors, an Indian multinational automotive company.
So, that's interesting.
elad eliahu
I'm getting David Bowie vibes from the person in the dress, I think, in the dress.
ian crossland
The dude with the sledgehammer?
elad eliahu
Yeah.
phil labonte
Right?
elad eliahu
With the hair and the...
ian crossland
Yeah, the whole video.
elad eliahu
I don't know.
Was David Bowie gay, too, or LGBT? Bisexual, I think.
I don't know.
I couldn't name three of his songs.
ian crossland
Mick Jagger had a thing, allegedly, I believe.
unidentified
Is that true?
ian crossland
I don't know.
elad eliahu
I'm a Jackson guy, not a Bowie guy.
ian crossland
I think that's what they wanted society to believe.
tim pool
I'm going to do just a—before we go to Super Chats, we'll just do a quick little snippet so we don't have time for a full segment.
But Nick Sorter is reporting that Donald Trump is considering Mike Rogers for FBI director with Kash Patel as deputy director.
The plan could please both Senate Republicans concerned about Trump's plan to disrupt the FBI and also appeasing the MAGA orbit, who have been frustrated about why more of their allies have been placed in top jobs.
Cash Patel.
You know, right now there's this clip from Tim Castile going viral with Kanakoa the Great tweeted it.
Elon Musk himself tweeted it.
And it's Cash explaining about the two-tier system of justice and these things.
It's got like 20 million views or some ridiculous amount.
And I am honored to have hosted the show where Cash came on.
But Cash has proven exactly why in that segment why he needs to be the FBI director.
ian crossland
Literally looking me in the eyes on that clip.
He was looking at me, telling me that info.
That's me listening to him while we were all listening to him.
He is the guy.
unidentified
He's the man.
ami kozak
He's Cash.
tim pool
Cash money.
Mike Rogers has not come near the depth of conversation and context on the issue that Cash Patel has.
ian crossland
I love that guy.
tim pool
Cash is so cool.
And the concern, of course, because this should have been announced a long time ago.
Cash Patel is clearly the guy.
Trump had praised his book.
Cash has been talking about it for some time.
And there's concerns about the Senate saying no.
And I think that's ridiculous.
elad eliahu
I think it would be a confirmed position.
That's probably why they're trying to do deputy.
tim pool
Deputy's not confirmed?
elad eliahu
No, no, no.
I think they're trying to put him as deputy because it would be hard to have him be at the top.
tim pool
But doesn't Deputy have to be confirmed as well or no?
elad eliahu
Yeah, Deputy would have to be confirmed.
ami kozak
But it's not a senior position.
elad eliahu
Yeah, it's a senior.
tim pool
And then it's going to restrict what he can do.
And you're going to get Mike Rogers who's going to be like, well, let's not rock the boat too much.
Look, I'm not going to be surprised if this is what happens.
We got RFK Jr. in HHS. I hope he gets in because that is still a nuclear bomb on the beltway and in the industries of this country as it pertains to food, preservatives, and all that stuff.
It's still great.
Tulsi's DNI is great.
I think it's fair to say we want to win everything, but the reality would be, I suppose if we get a handful in, I'll take what I can get.
I still think it's a tremendous gain.
What I'm saying is it should be cash.
ian crossland
Go for cash.
Make them vote.
Do it.
Make the Senate do its job.
If they say no, then appoint somebody else.
But do cash, dude.
Appoint...
Matt Gaetz.
Make them do their job.
Make them say no.
Put them on record.
elad eliahu
The reason that they don't want to go through the confirmation process if they know they're not going to get in is that it just wastes time in the Trump administration.
So, you know, their first 18 months is when you actually get to do stuff because the midterms are already around the corner.
So if you're not in the first three months, if you're only acting as the acting AG or what have you, you're not going to be able to really affect as much change than you'd be able to do if you were confirmed quickly.
Moreover, once you're done with confirmation, Senate could start confirming judges and get onto other business.
If they're stymied and stuck on these confirmation hearings that aren't going anywhere, it's just wasting Congress's time.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
The counter, or you're actually right.
You're taking the non-purist view, which is probably the right way in politics.
The other idea is appointing the wrong guy is a waste of time.
But I think you're right.
phil labonte
Just like he said, 18 months is all they've got.
And there's a lot of stuff that they want to get done in the first...
And they can do it if they get people in place that are going to do the job.
They can do significant damage to the bureaucracy.
ian crossland
If he was to appoint a guy, Mike Rogers or whatever, and then wasn't happy with the way he was doing it, can he remove him and then appoint somebody?
ami kozak
That happens in the first round all the time.
phil labonte
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Trump, all of these guys will likely get fired.
They're not going to serve all four years in the cabinet.
Nobody usually makes it all the way through.
ian crossland
And then it would be the same process?
Would he remove Mike Rogers?
There would be an acting?
phil labonte
He might have someone lined up right away.
ian crossland
And then they have to go to confirmation, and that could take, what, a month, two weeks?
Do they go right into the Senate, like a week later, five, the next day?
elad eliahu
It depends on what the Senate has planned on their slate, if they're going through other things, you know.
God willing, Trump might get another Supreme Court appointment in this term.
ami kozak
What, Sotomayor's got like diabetes or something?
elad eliahu
Yeah, Sotomayor allegedly.
There was something going on with her.
And a lot of libs were hoping that she didn't pull another RGB where she would die.
ami kozak
I think she's only in her 70s, but she apparently has some health issues.
Apparently, I don't know for sure.
phil labonte
I don't want her to die, but it'd be nice if she stepped down.
elad eliahu
During Trump's, that's nice.
ami kozak
That's nice.
ian crossland
What about age limits?
This is a whole other conversation.
ami kozak
Age limits?
ian crossland
Or just term limits?
ami kozak
Well, term limits he talked about.
phil labonte
No, no, no.
The point of not having term limits is so that way they're not political.
They get appointed for life, so that way you don't have people step out and then you have political appointments.
ian crossland
Do you think they're not political?
phil labonte
They are to a degree.
elad eliahu
They don't need to be to the whims of the public.
They don't need to worry about, oh, I need to...
They won't be political in deciding their cases because they don't need to worry about their political future.
I'm going to be in office forever.
ian crossland
What if it was just one long-term per justice?
Eight years.
phil labonte
That's what life is.
elad eliahu
I think it could be 20 years, but I guess the idea is to have it be long-term.
And if you want to have change, go to the House of Reps.
ami kozak
You want to keep the judiciary as far removed from the executive and legislative as possible.
It is political under a particular administration.
ian crossland
What's the problem is when one president appoints half of the Supreme Court?
phil labonte
No, that's not a problem.
ian crossland
That is a big problem.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Because it biases the court towards the whims of the president.
The president picks who they want.
phil labonte
No, it doesn't bias to the whims.
The court is not supposed to have politics.
ami kozak
But no, they do.
No, but to be fair, if it's a Republican president, they're going to pick more right-of-center judges.
elad eliahu
Yeah, but then they need to get the president elected, then they need to go to the Senate, and they need to get it confirmed in the Senate as well.
tim pool
They're going to pick constitutionalists.
Constitutionalists.
phil labonte
And that's what they're supposed to be.
Listen, the court is not supposed to make law from the bench.
They're supposed to read the law and say, this is what the law says.
That's the whole point.
So all the people that are like, oh, well, the Constitution needs to be interpreted.
No, the hell it doesn't.
tim pool
Right, so the issue is, the Democrats go, it says a well-regulated militia.
Well, as we know, regulated means government control.
And then the originalists say, no, regulated back then meant well-equipped, like your guns are working and are in proper order.
ian crossland
And they're the same throughout.
ami kozak
This is a philosophical disagreement, right?
tim pool
Right.
Living, breathing document?
phil labonte
No, it's not philosophical.
tim pool
I think it's equal people lying for power.
phil labonte
The best argument against a living document is in the Constitution itself.
The fact that there is a stringent and rigorous amendment process indicates strongly that it was not intended to be interpreted.
If it was intended to be interpreted, they wouldn't have put an amendment process in there at all.
And the fact that it's so stringent indicates that they wanted it to be very hard.
tim pool
They knew that it would be interpreted, which is why the Second Amendment doesn't.
So Second Amendment, easy argument.
Anybody just read the original article on what they were intending and it's all written there.
And the founding fathers wrote the intentions.
They wanted people to own guns.
That's it.
There's a variety of reasons why they should.
It's not just about government tyranny.
It's about foreign invasion, foreign and domestic.
The idea is, OK, if a government becomes tyrannical to these ends and people are being abused, citizenry need to be able to defend themselves.
Most importantly, however, if we are invaded, militia is a strong portion of our defense.
The regular citizens need to be able to defend their homes and rise up if they're conscripted.
Then they said, well, let's put in there then that you don't need to be conscripted to have a gun because we want everybody to have guns.
So they originally did.
Then they were like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
If we include this portion that says it is not a requirement to serve in order to bear arms, people will argue that the intention of the amendment was to make it so that people could dodge conscription.
People have to be conscripted.
Okay, let's take that out.
Now it's vague, but they knew interpretation was likely.
That was the best they came up with.
Because all the articles from the original, I believe it was 17, were incredibly wordy.
And funny enough, the salary apportionment and the size of Congress, I think were the first two.
And I think the first article didn't get amended until like the 90s or something.
Something on salaries.
It's kind of funny, actually.
ian crossland
Talking about constitutional interpretation, I was watching the show last night, people were talking about whether or not the U.S. Constitution was insinuating that the U.S. was a Christian nation.
tim pool
We talked about that.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, it was this show.
Yes.
That was a good argument.
tim pool
And the answer is that it is.
ian crossland
Well, we'll go deeper on that.
elad eliahu
I wanted to fact check real quick.
Earlier I said the Deputy Director of the FBI did need Senate confirmation.
I believe they don't actually need Senate confirmation.
For a deputy.
tim pool
That's why he's trying to make sure cash can get into some capacity.
elad eliahu
Wanted to get that right so we don't get sued by...
tim pool
I'll make one quick point on the discussion that we were having yesterday on the U.S. as a Christian nation to clarify, because a lot of people don't understand.
The Founding Fathers did not intend for the United States to be a theocratic government.
That's what I was watching.
Right.
And what people keep saying is, is it a Christian nation?
The Democrats take the most direct and single-ordered thinking imaginable by saying a Christian nation is a theocratic government where the church has say in government.
No, they want a separation of church and state.
Okay, guys.
A Christian nation, what they meant was it was founded upon morals and teachings in the Christian faith.
Jefferson may have been a deist, but his morals were largely built upon Christian faith.
ian crossland
You know, my take was that they understood that religions evolve and that we may in the future have a religion that is even more moral than Christianity, and that the country will still function as long as there is a moral religion behind it.
I mean, I think they're pretty wise.
tim pool
So, very simply put, Hinduism was a religion they knew about at the time, and it did not have a right to a jury trial or a belief in the protection of the innocent.
So when they said a moral and religious country, they weren't referring to any religion.
ami kozak
No, but I think the difference, what I was confused about watching last night was there was like the idea that it's been informed by religious principles is different than Milo was saying that it's being prescribed to specific groups and only those groups.
Like it's for Christians rather than the principles themselves being animated and informed by and influenced by Christian principles, which is different.
And then the separation of church and state.
In other words, we do not have an enforceable religion that everyone has to subscribe to.
tim pool
There is no formal separation of church and state.
What do you mean?
The separation of church and state is a written intent.
It's not in any documents or anything like that.
ami kozak
Okay.
But the principle of a separation of a church and state, that we don't have an official church of the United States that people have to pay to...
tim pool
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm fairly certain they did not write down, we hereby separate church and state.
ami kozak
I think it is written down.
unidentified
I don't know.
I could be wrong.
phil labonte
It was a letter.
There's no official thing.
ami kozak
That principle is a healthy one because it allows for peaceful...
Religions to exist under a bedrock of principles that are informed by Judeo-Christian values.
tim pool
So the point that Milo made, which I agree with, is that when you have a set of values that are rooted in Christian moral teachings that 99.9% of the country follows, and you say these rules are for a moral and religious people, they're not talking about Buddhism.
They're not talking about Hinduism.
They're not beefing with them, but they're saying the idea of the right to avoid self-incrimination, a speedy trial, to jury lawsuits, to the sovereignty of states, these are rooted in the Christian moral tradition.
And it all stems back, obviously, because of the structure of the European government and how it came to the United States, and it was very much informed by Christianity.
So my point was, while Milo may be saying it's prescribed for Christians— Which to me sounded exclusionary, which was awesome.
Perhaps it's too much, but I think his point is correct, that when you apply these things to people who have no moral virtue and do not abide by these, they're postmodernists of a different ideology, they weaponize them against good moral people.
elad eliahu
I think a lot of people would have said that our founding fathers were.
Like, these guys didn't accept Jesus Christ.
A lot of modern-day Christians wouldn't.
George Washington?
tim pool
Thomas Jefferson?
elad eliahu
George Washington, our founding father, first president of the country.
He didn't believe that Jesus Christ was a messiah.
tim pool
But they were deists.
The distinction was they didn't believe God was intervening in governmental affairs like many other countries did when they thought the heads of state were appointed by God.
They still believed in the Christian moral teachings.
That's why Benjamin Franklin expanded upon Blackstone's formulation, which is rooted in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
elad eliahu
Are any of our modern-day Christians calling George Washington...
A Christian, but he didn't accept Jesus Christ.
tim pool
He wasn't a Christian.
ami kozak
We're really talking about where do individual rights and the concept of sovereign individual rights come from?
A Christian that's informed by Judeo-Christian, as you could say.
tim pool
But it is factually correct to say it was a Christian God.
They said that we have rights bestowed to us, they are unalienable, by God.
elad eliahu
I think the Christians backpacked off of the Jewish God.
It's a monotheistic God.
I think it's about monotheism.
More than anything is, one God is what's important here.
tim pool
It's because the country was 99.9% Christian.
And the moral tradition...
elad eliahu
Are you a Christian if you don't accept Jesus Christ?
ian crossland
No.
elad eliahu
Okay, so I don't think 99.9% of the country was Christian.
tim pool
Literally, just look it up.
It's true.
ami kozak
We're talking a little bit about semantics here.
elad eliahu
No, but they called George Washington...
ami kozak
The deism, this idea of like...
elad eliahu
I'm not including deists as Christian.
tim pool
A small handful of founding fathers were deists does not negate that the entire country was Christian.
elad eliahu
I don't think it was 99.9%.
I think a lot of the...
tim pool
Google it right now.
And so the issue that I'm pointing out is they are saying, here's a list of rights that we believe are unalienable that God has given us.
They're not talking about Krishna or something or Shiva.
They're talking about the Christian God.
elad eliahu
What is a Christian God?
Do the Muslims have a different God than the Christian God?
No, because I think it's about monotheism here.
They believe in the one God.
tim pool
Muslims have a different directive than Christians do.
I don't think that the Founding Fathers were entertaining a religion that instructed its people to kill Jews.
Do you think that the Founding Fathers were like a good moral and religious person who would follow the words of the Hadith and attack Jews?
That's what they were referring to?
elad eliahu
No.
tim pool
I don't think so either.
phil labonte
Muslims would say that it's a different God too because they say that the Christians are – they say that they're polytheists.
They say that because they believe Christ and the Holy Spirit and God.
They say the Christians believe it's a trinity.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats.
ami kozak
Yeah, we're getting into the weeds.
tim pool
Okay, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to go nuts in the members only where we can get deeper dive into this stuff.
So smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know.
Right now you can go to TimCast.com.
You can click join us to become a member.
I see that on YouTube.
We got 53 new members.
But that's YouTube membership.
And if you want to watch the Uncensored show, that's at TimCast.com.
Where you'll sign up for the website, become a member, and you'll get access to the Discord server where there are 21,000 people currently hanging out.
And you can join the movement and be friends with them, and they'll be friends with you.
There's meetups.
Some people got married.
I don't know.
I'm not trying to, you know...
ami kozak
And they were in a Volvo commercial.
tim pool
Not in a Volvo commercial, but we've had, I think, more than a few people who joined the Discord and ended up meeting up and getting married.
So that's very cool.
That's very cool.
So TimCast.com, but we'll grab your Super Chats right now.
AlphaTurkey says, Mike Lawler, say goodbye to Congress.
Well, put a tack in that note because we can't forget.
We got two years.
Mike Lawler is gloating over Matt Gaetz stepping down.
And Elon Musk said, anybody who's disrupted Trump's agenda, you get the primary.
elad eliahu
Can I say a tidbit on Mike Lawler?
I think he's a sophomore now in Congress from, I believe, what was it?
The 17th District of New York.
He's so revered by the establishment right now because he won in the New York 17th District against, who was this?
Sean Patrick Maloney, who was like a 10-time or 7 or 8-time elected congressman in this seat.
He turned to a blue seat, red.
And this was kind of the idea of a future type of Republican in the sort of Northeast blue-purple areas that could really change the game moving forward.
So I don't know if any sort of MAGA candidate would be able to win in this district, is kind of what I'm getting at.
tim pool
Jason Dixon says, Hey Tim, please shout out the Discord.
Can you please point out the Discord is not a freedom of speech platform, and no one is free to jeopardize the community because they want to say stupid-ish.
The Discord is a community.
The community has rules, and those rules exist because we want to preserve and sustain this community so people can meet up.
The Founding Fathers met in bars and pubs.
That's how they were able to come to these ideas and these conclusions that ultimately birthed this now great nation.
I was going to say once because we're going to make it great again, but I want to correct myself and say it is great, it's been great, and it's going to be greater than it's ever been before.
And that was because of the meetings the Finding Fathers had.
So we've got the Discord server.
For those that don't know what that is, it's a chat room.
You download an app, you sign up, and you're in this chat room with live shows, pre-shows, meetups.
And there's actively right now, I think, 21,000 active people who are in it.
So it's massive.
And you're probably going to find friends in your local area.
I think it's very important that we link up, we make friends, we stay involved, and that's how we build these cultural bonds.
Let's grab some more.
IsThisDom says, Bondi is a Kushner hire.
She's from the AFPI, which is run by Brooks Rollins, Kushner's pal, and Linda McMahon.
Makes sense.
elad eliahu
AFPI, America First Policy Institute?
Wow, sounds horrendous.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
Mike Moe says, nuclear war is bad for kittens.
Indeed it is.
It is.
We have Seamus 3 on the property.
Maybe Ian should capture him.
ian crossland
Seamus, sir.
tim pool
Well, you know, because we named the cat Seamus, you know, he's Seamus 1 and the cartoonist is Seamus 2. We just don't have names for any other cat.
So another cat popped up on the property and we just call him Seamus.
So now he's Seamus 3. Oh my God.
Seamus, the cartoonist, can keep number 2. I do like cats.
Maybe Ian should capture number three.
ian crossland
That's a lot of responsibility for a guy.
ami kozak
Eating the dogs.
Eating the cats.
You've got to be careful.
tim pool
You do indeed.
All right, let's see.
What do we got?
Jacob Hawley says, Pam Bondi is a never-Trumper.
The lady was on Fox a year ago saying the party should do anything to stop Trump.
She was also the AG of Florida that pushed Epstein stuff under the rug and let a lot of the crime limitations lapse.
She's a deep neocon.
elad eliahu
She also served on his first impeachment as his defense attorney.
I did read something about her being a lobbyist for Qatar in between servings in office.
ian crossland
Is that the AG nomination?
elad eliahu
Yeah.
The shoo-in for AG. Lobbyist for Qatar?
Lobbies for Qatar.
ami kozak
Early days gigs, you know?
You gotta take some money.
elad eliahu
I've never lobbied for Qatar, but who says I wouldn't take the money?
Surge, my agent over here, maybe he could...
Hey, any Qataris want to reach out to Surge?
tim pool
What do you think about Qatar?
Qatar is an Islamic nation.
elad eliahu
No, I think it's bad.
I think it's bad that any of our politicians are taking money from Qatar.
I think it's bad to be in bed with them.
I think they hosted the recent FIFA World Cup.
Nobody cares about any of the human rights abuses of anybody in the Middle East.
It's really swept under the rug.
tim pool
I want to point this out.
There is a difficult contradiction for platforms like YouTube in their hate speech policies in that the Islamic faith following the Hadith, the Hadith literally says that they have to kill Jews.
That's insane.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to...
ami kozak
What's the context?
I'm just kidding.
tim pool
You know, I assume.
It says that the end will not come until the rocks cry out, there is a Jew hiding behind me.
ami kozak
It's in the Hamas Charter, Article 7. Exactly.
If there is a Jew behind them, oh, come and kill him.
tim pool
How do you reconcile this like, oh, you can't disparage a religion when the religion calls for death and murder of another religion?
I mean, I got no beef with any of the individuals, but that in and of itself is dangerous and it's crazy.
elad eliahu
I think Qatar is a very bad actor on the world stage.
tim pool
Well, that's fine.
My point is, that writing that was in the Hamas Charter, that is in the Hadith, that targets a religious group for death and destruction is not good.
And the contradiction is...
ami kozak
It's not great.
tim pool
How is YouTube supposed to handle this, like, don't disparage a religion when the religion instructs its people to kill other people?
If someone went on YouTube who was Muslim and read that charter from Hamas, and they read that line from the Hadith, what's YouTube's reaction?
Are they going to be like, oh, it's a religion, we can't do anything about it?
elad eliahu
I don't think they give a crap.
You never see any of the right-wing watch ever going after Muslims or any of their extreme rhetoric.
tim pool
No, they're left-wing.
ami kozak
You meant the left-wing watch.
Right-wing watch?
elad eliahu
Right-wing watch, never goes after otherwise misogynistic, transphobic.
tim pool
But this is my point.
These right-wing watch groups and leftist groups consider Muslims left-wing, despite the fact they're religious fundamentalists.
Anyway, anyway, we'll talk about this in the members.
elad eliahu
One more thing on Qatar, though.
We need to keep our eyes on Qatar, especially with their mass media project, Al Jazeera.
They have a ton of influence, and they're using it to undermine our values here in the West.
I think that's just something to keep an eye on.
ami kozak
They employ media.
elad eliahu
They'll hold us to double standards.
AJ's class will talk about our human rights violations.
Won't mention Qatar.
tim pool
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
We've got Craig Charlton says Bondi should appoint Matt Gaetz as special counsel.
That's a good idea, and maybe that happens.
With Cash potentially being deputy director, so he doesn't need to be confirmed for that?
Is that what it is?
elad eliahu
Yes.
tim pool
Then Mike Rogers might be a figurehead, and then Cash actually gets to run the show.
I mean, maybe.
I think Trump wants Cash.
And I think the reason he's weighed is because he's like, they're going to launch attacks against them.
How do we do this?
Maybe that's the play.
elad eliahu
Maybe they let Rogers in the seat for a year or so.
Trump eventually gets rid of him.
And it looked like, oh, the deputy now.
He's been serving for over a year.
Is it time to promote him?
tim pool
He'll be acting director.
ian crossland
We love cash.
We got cash.
And non-remotely inflammatory.
That guy, I don't see any problem with him being...
elad eliahu
I think the left paints him as a guy who would go after, like a retribution type character is how he's viewed on the left.
tim pool
All right, let's go.
Saravia says, DJT can draft invaders for war in Ukraine, asserting jurisdiction over them.
Invaders will self-deport.
Donald J. Trump will get sued.
SCOTUS will rule invaders and their children are not under U.S. jurisdiction.
Mega.
elad eliahu
Is he speaking about illegals, that is?
tim pool
Yeah, illegal.
So, I mean, Democrats want that.
Democrats have been saying we should conscript undocumented migrants as a path to citizenship.
ian crossland
In the fall of too many empires, man.
tim pool
Yep!
ami kozak
Through military service.
It's the story of Rome.
ian crossland
It's such a way to grow your empire, but once your empire is established, it's kind of like asserting your downfall.
Bringing in foreigners and then elevating them to position of citizenship without assimilation through generations.
tim pool
Alright, Death Magnet says, on the topic of college educated, just because you're educated doesn't mean you're intelligent.
There's a viral clip going around where this woman is like, She was saying something like, all of the liberal areas are from people who have college degrees.
And she's like, did it ever occur to them?
It's because people with degrees are smarter, and so that's why they're voting that way or whatever.
And it's like, dude, listen, I gotta tell you.
If you took out $40,000 to $80,000 in loans to get a degree that's not gonna get you a job, and you can't pay them back, and 25 years later you're still in debt, I'm not gonna call you intelligent or educated.
I'm gonna say you were a rube.
ian crossland
They are very low-interest loans, though.
They're like 3% interest.
So if you need 20 grand and you're in college, it's way better to take out a student loan.
tim pool
Yes, my point is, it's a very stupid thing to do.
phil labonte
How are they low-interest loans, and at the same time, people are saying that they'll pay back their entire principal and still owe more?
tim pool
It's because they're paying the minimums.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
Are they really only like 3%?
tim pool
I believe, yeah.
ian crossland
They're dirt cheap loans.
tim pool
But dirt cheap.
The problem is, you take out, let's say 50k in loans, you get out, you can't find a job, you go work at Starbucks, you're like, well, I gotta defer my loans again, and it keeps racking up and racking up.
That's why these people, look, if you can't afford to go to college, you shouldn't.
ami kozak
Intelligence is different than wisdom.
tim pool
So I'll tell you what I did.
Hey, let's talk about this.
When I was 14, I stopped going to conventional high school and started getting homeschooled.
I completed the entire high school course.
We were doing two weeks of high school courses in one day.
And it was a waste of my time.
I completed all of my credits, submitted them, and then they said, if you would like to get your diploma and formally graduate high school, they said, submit a letter, writing it out for your final.
I said, nah, not interested.
And my dad got mad at me for not doing it, but I was like, what do I need?
This is stupid.
And then I went to a community college because you don't need a high school diploma to do it.
And then I had some college on all of my applications, and I did.
I had like two credits or something.
And what happened was, when I turned 18, I started looking at the math.
And I said, okay, how much is it going to cost me to go to college?
What do I need?
And my dad was like, you definitely got to go to college.
My mom said you got to go to college.
And then I said, wow, if I go get a job right now, I ended up reading this article from an economist who worked in the Bush administration who said, if you go to any investor...
And say, make an investment over four years, and when you leave, you will owe me $40,000 with, you know, 3% or 4% interest.
They would laugh in your face, since it's the stupidest thing I ever heard.
So what you should do is, at 18, is get any job you can, and work there for two to four years, and save up as much money as you can, and then consider if you want to advance.
But the reality is, if you took a job at McDonald's at 18 and worked for four years, four years later, on average, I can't remember the math at the time, but it was like...
And this is 20-something years ago, 20 years ago, actually.
And it was like you'd be making $24,000, $25,000 a year.
You are leaving.
At 22, you are going to have $20,000 in savings at this rate.
You are going to be an assistant manager making $2 more with an opportunity for moving up in other companies.
You could reapply somewhere else, get training in advance.
If you leave college at 22, you're $40,000 in debt.
With no work history, no experience, you're only going to be able to get an entry-level job somewhere, most likely.
If you can, your salary prospects will likely be lower, and it'll take you an average of 10 years to climb out of that debt, where the person who worked at McDonald's is going to be net worth positive the moment they take the job.
On average, and this was a few years ago we talked about on the show, the average net worth of a 30-year-old in this country is $1,000.
It is the first time in the life of a millennial that they actually had a positive net worth.
So these women who are like, this lady's like, I'm gonna go to college because I'm smart.
And you got these stats where it's like men aren't graduating college and women are.
Because men are doing the math.
ian crossland
You know what looks really promising is the Peterson Academy, the Jordan Peterson.
tim pool
Ha!
unidentified
Well, you know, yes.
ian crossland
Sign up!
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
That's what I would say.
ian crossland
Michael Malice.
unidentified
Step into the abyss.
ian crossland
There he is!
Malice did a course on the history of communism, I think, just recently.
That's super cheap.
tim pool
So what is Peterson Academy?
It's like a...
ian crossland
I wish I could sell it.
tim pool
It's cheaper version.
ian crossland
It's an online school, basically.
It's not accredited, but it gives you everything you need to get a college education, and it's cheap.
And it's through legitimate people like Jordan Peterson, Michael Malice.
Or were you going to say something, too, Phil, about it?
phil labonte
I just said that Michael Malice is on the Soviet Union.
ian crossland
On the Soviet Union.
ami kozak
It's probably like Masterclass, but in the world of various subjects.
phil labonte
Look, if you've ever seen the Tom Morello Masterclass, Jordan Peterson is not selling anything like that.
ami kozak
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, the idea is like an online university that actually teaches you how to think and not what to think.
It gives you stuff you won't get at the...
unidentified
Neo-Marxist post-modernist universities, you know?
tim pool
But does he believe in dragons?
ian crossland
Oh, I hope so.
ami kozak
Of course.
But mythologically speaking.
ian crossland
Yeah, those that challenge your father.
ami kozak
Mythological truth is just as valuable to the West.
tim pool
I met Jordan a few weeks ago, and we talked about him coming on the show.
He did briefly join us when we were on election night, but I said we do Tim Castiorello, The Culture War.
IRL is topical news stories.
Culture War is long, free-form discussion.
He goes, The Culture War seems like it's the good idea.
unidentified
And I've been in it, you know, so it's not simple.
It's not, you know, and...
tim pool
But he was basically saying, like, he and I having a philosophical conversation on how we see the world, and then, you know, I think he could teach me a lot of things and throw a lot of things at me, which would be really interesting.
ami kozak
And I was like, that sounds like a really great picture.
tim pool
Yeah, we gotta have Ian there for sure, because I think Jordan Peterson might get flustered and confused, and Ian might win.
ian crossland
I'll calm him down.
ami kozak
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, I don't mean, I'm not saying when, as in, like, Ian will come up with a more cohesive sense of reality.
It's that Jordan Peterson will not understand how to navigate the ideas Ian's throwing at him.
phil labonte
Ian will break Jordan Peterson.
ian crossland
He had such a good time on election night.
phil labonte
Ian, you broke Dr. Peterson.
What's going on?
unidentified
I'm glitching, you know, Ian.
I don't know how to answer that.
ian crossland
He's really one of my favorite people on earth.
He's such an amazing, inspirational dude, man.
tim pool
I'll tell you the amazing thing.
ami kozak
He's done well for me, too.
tim pool
There are a lot of people that I've met who I don't know if they're politics, and it's like some people I know, and then they say they're huge fans of Jordan Peterson, and I'm like, oh, okay.
You know, we're cool.
They listen to the guy, they understand what he's trying to say, and the left has been trying to smear the guy relentlessly.
ian crossland
And he wears banging suits.
ami kozak
Oh, yes.
tim pool
Yeah, when I met him, he had the dual color.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
You know, they're made for me.
Half red.
You know, it's for the fine line between order and chaos.
ami kozak
When I saw him live in Miami, by the way, the thing I noticed the most was the lines out the door and every kind of person you can imagine going to see Jordan Peterson.
As much as you buy into this narrative that it's, you know, lonely, incel, white man, you know, it's actually everybody, all ages, it's like the most diverse crowd I've ever seen.
tim pool
It's absolutely wild now.
unidentified
It's pretty inspiring.
tim pool
How powerful that voice is and how clarifying it is for so many people.
It's deeply impressive.
Let's read this.
We've got Mary Evans says, Cash FBI, Bongino Secret Service, Brandon Herrera, ATF Director, Ken Paxton AG, great attention to the Trump Justice League.
Well, likely not Ken Paxton, but that would be a good idea.
I do not see a reality where Dan Bongino takes Secret Service Director.
I've heard rumors already.
Dan Bongino has the biggest live show in...
I... I think he has the biggest live show, period.
ian crossland
You got half a million live viewers during the election?
Half a million?
tim pool
Yeah, he regularly does like 170,000 concurrent viewers on his show.
I don't know that, and so you can only estimate the amount of money he's making.
I mean, IRL, we had, you know, 56, 57,000 tonight.
We've been averaging around 60 or so, and people have a general idea of what we do.
Bongino's doing triple that.
I don't know how he gives that up for a $300,000, $400,000 a year.
Not even that.
It's probably a $280,000 a year government job.
elad eliahu
He has a bigger political impact in media using the bully pulpit than he would have as a Secret Service guy.
ian crossland
But I could see him advising Secret Service for sure.
unidentified
Sure.
elad eliahu
I think I could see him advising something higher up the chain.
Secret Service is important too, though.
He obviously served as a Secret Service.
tim pool
George Washington was a Christian.
phil labonte
Eric.
elad eliahu
But he didn't believe in the, what is it, of Jesus Christ?
The divinity?
phil labonte
The divinity of Jesus Christ.
ian crossland
He wouldn't be a Christian.
elad eliahu
So it's like, maybe Matt Walsh could do what is a Christian next.
ian crossland
Oh, that's a good idea.
elad eliahu
What is a Christian?
unidentified
What is a Christian?
elad eliahu
I didn't want to say what is a Jew.
tim pool
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ami kozak
It was great to be here.
Great talking to everybody.
Love the conversation.
And, yeah, if anybody wants to find me, I'm on Twitter at Ami Kozak, on Instagram at AJ-Comedy, and YouTube at AJ-Comedy as well.
And, yeah.
ian crossland
You got a comedy special out?
ami kozak
Comedy special?
I perform stand-up all over New York City and, you know, stuff coming out.
ian crossland
I'd love to see one of your comedy specials.
ami kozak
Thank you, sir.
It's really hot.
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe I'll do, like, a Peterson tour or Alex Jones tour or RFK Jr. A variety show with everybody coming out.
Come to my show.
It's going to be amazing.
We're going to turn the frogs gay.
ian crossland
When's your next show?
Live show.
ami kozak
Keep following me.
Follow on my social media.
I post dates there regularly.
So that's the best way to do it.
I've got a podcast called Ami's House, a band called Distant Cousins.
You can check all that stuff out.
elad eliahu
Absolutely.
Ami, it's been very fun talking to you guys.
Trump supporters do not despair, although Gates did have to withdraw.
There's still a lot to be optimistic for and a lot of big things coming with the Trump administration.
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