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MSNBC CONFIRMED CUT OFF After Ratings Collapse Amid Trump Victory w/Hotep Jesus | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
It is now confirmed.
Numerous outlets reporting that MSNBC and CNBC are going to be cut off from Comcast, spun off into their own companies.
And the rumors are, well, their ratings are in the gutter.
CNN still claims, no, no, they're making a lot of money.
Don't worry.
Yeah, despite the fact their weekend ratings were 28,000.
So I don't know how they're afforing to pay these personalities, but carriage fees, I guess?
Well, they're going to get spun off, separated from Comcast.
And another rumor is that the politics of this channel are very unfavorable.
My friends, not only has Jon Stewart come out and defended Trump's victory, Joe Scarborough and Michael Brzezinski of MSNBC met with him despite Joe in a viral video before the election saying there's no middle ground with this man at all to thunderous standing ovation.
Charlemagne the god is now even supporting Donald Trump's actions to a certain degree.
All of these people, they couldn't say a single word before the election, now coming out and saying, we're totally on board.
That's why the popular vote mattered so much.
But of course, MSNBC staffers are calling for a boycott.
They're furious.
They're outraged that Joe and Micah would meet with Orange Hitler.
And this is why the company has to be spun off.
MSNBC and CNN's ratings have been continually getting worse.
So we'll dive into all of that.
And then we got some other crazy stories.
Oh, World War Three, I guess.
Russia is building nuclear bunkers, mass producing them.
They've updated their nuclear doctrine.
They've said that if a nuclear power assists a non-nuclear power in launching missiles into their territory, they will consider that an act of war.
And they could theoretically use nuclear weapons in that regard.
They're basically saying they're getting ready to do so.
So that's great, I guess.
Hopefully Donald Trump can get in and put an end to all this.
And then we got a crazy story.
Nancy Mace has proposed a bathroom bill that would bar males from using female bathrooms in Congress because there is a member of Congress entering who is biologically male but identifies as a woman.
This has caused a huge controversy where a transgender individual has threatened the life publicly and overtly on various social media platforms.
Public threatened Nancy Mace's life.
And she's responded to this.
This is a wild story.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Hotep Jesus.
hotep jesus
Hey, thank you for following me.
If you aren't following me, then follow me, hotepjesus.com.
I'm here representing electiondaygames.com.
We got the crowdfunding website up now.
This is an amazing game that teaches people How politics works in America, but it's fun, educational, and yeah, you guys should definitely check it out.
It looks pretty good.
tim pool
Yeah, we were looking at it earlier.
ian crossland
You got it in front of you right now.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
ian crossland
Pull it up so people can see.
I don't know if it's in the shot or not.
tim pool
It is a little bit, but you can see it better.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
ian crossland
Check that out.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
It's a box and everything.
tim pool
Looks cool.
hotep jesus
It's got the board.
Basically, you know, you got a House and Senate.
If you get the House majority or Senate majority, you get perks.
And obviously, the objective of the game is to get your guy elected.
ian crossland
I might be able to put it behind you for the show back there.
tim pool
You can see it.
ian crossland
You can see it.
unidentified
Great.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We can make it more visible, but you can see it right now.
ian crossland
I browsed the card collection before the show.
unidentified
Who are you?
tim pool
What do you do?
hotep jesus
Who am I? What do I do?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I really don't know what I do.
ian crossland
You talk.
hotep jesus
I help people.
tim pool
You talk and people like what you say.
hotep jesus
Yeah, but I think that's what I think it is.
I think I help people because I do a show called The Griff Report on Kik and last week somebody said to me, "You've changed my life." I hear that a lot.
"You've changed my life.
You've changed my life." So I think I just share my life experience with people and just help people get to the next stage of their career or life or whatever it is, relationship, business-wise, et cetera, The majority of my audience is around 30 to 35 years old.
Sometimes I got kids in college and stuff like that.
So, you know, my life experience, I'm 44 years old, so I share my life experience and yeah.
tim pool
Well, right on.
Should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Ian's here.
ian crossland
Yeah, I always dig hanging out with you, man.
hotep jesus
Thanks.
ian crossland
And the question of who are you, we were having that before the show.
We were talking about philosophy in general and God.
Are you God?
What are you?
Are you your frontal lobe?
Are you Brian Sharp?
Or are you something much greater?
tim pool
Nerve system jellyfish.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think you are.
Well, hey, I'm Ian Crossland, at least so I've been told.
And I'm just back from Dallas, man.
I spent the week working with The Blaze.
I did three episodes of Normal World with Quarter Black Garrett and Dave Landau.
It was excellent.
I did Sarah Gonzalez's show with Michael Marsden.
That was really fun.
And then I wrapped up the weekend doing Inverted World with Shane Cashman.
So if you didn't see that, it's on YouTube at Inverted World.
That was really great.
We talked about philosophy.
Also, good and evil.
Like, the subjective nature of these things.
Like, if you destroy evil, are you doing good?
Is destruction a good thing?
Is creation a bad thing?
Like, very just esoteric, deep stuff.
And Shane's always the man to talk to.
He's great.
So I'm happy to be back, man.
Good to see you guys.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's go.
tim pool
Here's a story from CNN.
And, you know, I chose CNN on purpose because they're also in the gutter.
But this should be fun.
Comcast to spin off its cable channels, including MSNBC and CNBC, into separate company.
So it's now confirmed.
The rumors have been bubbling up.
They trickled this one out.
At first, they were like, the ratings are really bad following the what do we have here?
Is this—do we have that one over there?
No, no.
The ratings got really, really bad.
And so MSNBC's weekend ratings were like in the 20,000s in the key demo.
It's a worthless channel.
This is likely why Joe and Micah went to go meet with Donald Trump and beg because they're talking to no one.
But now CNN confirms it.
Now, CNN, of course, wants to play defensive for them.
They say, The NBC broadcast network.
The separate cable channels will have the same sort of ownership structure.
They say, well, observers may view the spinoff as an attempt to shed cable channels that are losing value in the streaming age.
The channel still contributes strong profits to Comcast's bottom line.
I'm going to pause there.
This is the game they play.
This is why I wanted to use CNN. Strong profits because of carriage fees, meaning that if your channel is on a cable network that's being carried, you get a piece of all of the subscriptions for everybody who has cable.
So that's guaranteed revenue over a certain period of time.
The reality is the channels themselves, nobody watches.
CNN, look at this, from, this is, I'm sorry, this is right here, New York Post.
Leftist viewers deal MSNBC and CNN a Trump slump ratings crash.
And they try to go and explain why, but regardless, they say, at MSNBC, the home of the most unhinged commentary and analysis we've ever seen in the history of television, and that's saying something, more than half its audience, 53%, is no longer tuning in compared to October.
They're going to mention that Rachel Maddow dropped off a million viewers.
They don't mention her key demo ratings, however.
They say in the key demographic, the advertisers most covet, Maddow's numbers marked the smallest audience her show has seen since April 2022.
It's a new era, huh?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
What happened?
tim pool
Well, this is the question we've been asking since the election.
Is this that regular people have woken up to the extent...
They're being lied to.
ian crossland
I think so.
I think that it was like they were part of what felt like a movement to get Kamala Harris or whoever the Democratic Party fed them elected.
And then when that thing failed, they all were like, all right, the shakedown is the gigs up.
We all knew it was fake anyway.
We were just trying because we felt like we were supposed to.
I'm out.
I'm done with this crap.
I think that's what a lot of those people were feeling.
tim pool
Let me add this for context.
This is from the Post Millennial.
Jon Stewart says presidential election was a repudiation of liberal government he spent years propping up.
An overly regulated system that is no longer responsive or delivering for the needs of the people.
So you got Charlemagne the God coming out, changing his tune, saying, maybe the Democrats lied to me about Trump being a fascist.
You got Joe and Micah trying to meet with Donald Trump.
You got Bill Maher coming out and saying, oh, these Democrats, oh boy, I can't stand them.
All of these liberal personalities begging to be let into the fold and the ratings of these channels collapsing.
I'd be willing to bet Jon Stewart's ratings are in the gutter.
You know, he resurrected his daily show to come back for this election cycle.
I bet his ratings are gutter trash and he knows it.
CNN's are in the gutter.
New York Post confirms.
We've seen all that data.
MSNBC's in the gutter.
Meanwhile, Fox News is up.
Conservatives are up.
And once again, we'll shine a light over on our good friend David Pakman, who put out a video after the election saying he was losing subscribers like crazy, as were many of these other liberal personalities.
phil labonte
This is the culture shift.
I think that the people that have been vehemently anti-Donald Trump and anti-right, saying the right is full of all these bad people and all of this just negative opinion about anyone on the right, I think that they realized...
Because of the, not just because of the election of Donald Trump, but the fact that everything in the country had a right lean this election.
So the House was taken, the Senate was taken.
If you look at all of the districts and all of the people that, all of the elections that went on, everything swung to the right.
And I think that Even if they're not like, oh, we're going to be right wing now.
We're going to start, you know, just saying, you know, supply side economics are good and family values are important.
Even if they're not going to do that, they realize that they can't just continue to call the right racist bigots.
You're terrible people.
You're all Trumpers.
Trump's a Nazi, etc.
I think that they see the writing on the wall.
And if you want to survive, especially in legacy media where...
The writing is on the wall that podcasts are where it's at today, that alternative media, that the internet, that's where it's at.
It's no longer on cable news.
If you don't adapt, then you're going to be left behind.
And we're seeing it with what's going on at NBC, with MSNBC, and even CNBC. Typically, it's not very...
It's not really, really strongly left-leaning because it's all business, right?
There are people that are going to have left-leaning opinions, but you're not going to have people that are just like, oh, we got to get rid of private property and we have to tax, you know, it's a good thing to tax unrealized gains and stuff like that because that just isn't going to fly on a business channel.
Even they're seeing the effects from NBC. So I think that it's probably, writing's probably on the wall.
tim pool
Are we having fun watching these personalities grovel?
unidentified
Of course we are!
ian crossland
Yes!
tim pool
Ian's going to say no.
ian crossland
It's not really fun, but it definitely feels good.
Because it's like, if you ever know a bully, and what they do is a scare tactic.
They'll flash something on the wall and everyone will freak out.
And then they do it again and again and again.
Because they feel powerful when they get that reaction.
But then eventually people are like, they're doing that same thing now, and it's annoying now.
It's not even scary, it's just bright and it's annoying.
- What?
- Stop doing, - What? - A bully that's using a scare tactic to get everyone's reaction, and they're feeling good at controlling the people's reactions.
Eventually that scare tactic becomes obvious, a scare tactic, you're like, I know he's just flashing a light on the wall, I'm ready for it now.
And now it's just becoming annoying.
They're screaming about Trump bad.
And it is just nice to see the bully exposed.
tim pool
It's like the boy who cried wolf, I guess.
It's the Democrat who cried Hitler.
Eventually, you're just like, we get it.
Jeez, there's like seven Hitlers, whatever.
hotep jesus
Well, let's zoom out really fast.
Let's speak of the apparatus of the platform that is media.
And when you launch a platform, you have to decide who you're going to speak to and what your goals are.
OK, so either it is to get viewership and get money or it is to push an agenda or maybe a combination of both.
And it seemed like mainstream media, especially leftist mainstream media, Didn't want viewers.
They weren't thinking about the dollars.
They were trying to use their platform to push an agenda.
We saw that during the Trump years.
We saw that before Trump got elected in 2016.
And that to me, let's go backwards really fast.
What do people want from media?
What people want from media is, number one, information without bias and the truth.
And the media has failed at both of those because all we've gotten was bias.
So let's say you're going to have a platform, you're going to talk to people like Tim Pool.
Tim Pool, he talks to everybody.
He talks to the left, he talks to the center, he talks to the right.
Mainstream media has done a good job of just platforming certain people on the left.
We see it with black media.
Black media is out there and they don't talk to Hotep Jesus.
Tim Poola have a Hotep Jesus song.
So what we're saying is a complete bias and people are like, well, we're not getting the full picture here.
Then you have the election and you see the popular vote and you go, oh, the people have spoken with their votes, etc., etc., right?
But that's the issue.
People have lost their trust in media.
Media is not giving information and it's been completely biased.
But It comes back to the fact that media was not trying to make money.
They were not trying to have viewers.
They were specifically trying to push an agenda, you know, orange and bad.
tim pool
And I must say this, but Bill Maher on his show, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, forgive me, he called the Democrats...
unidentified
Retarded.
tim pool
That hurt to say.
I'm so sorry, everybody.
I'm sorry, YouTube, viewers at home.
But he said those words.
He said those words.
Leave it to Bill Moore.
He said Democrats were like a royal family that had become incestuous and had retarded children.
ian crossland
Wow, yeah.
Intellectually, that's for sure.
tim pool
And you know what?
The essence of what he's saying, that Democrat ideas have become a hodgepodge of insanity, we've been saying for years.
So thanks, Bill, for coming out after the election when before he was like, Trump can't win.
Kamala's going to win the popular vote.
And now all of a sudden he's calling Democrats retarded.
Oh, come on, dude.
You could have said that before the election.
ian crossland
The culmination of believing their own refuse or whatever is when they said Trump is a threat to democracy.
Our candidate has been installed without a Democratic primary.
By our superdelegate, whatever, imperial strategy was like, okay, this is great because I was actually talking with my mother who was very much like, hey, she was of the ilk of like, Trump's a jerk, mean tweets.
Don't want to vote for the jerk.
But I was like, I'm not going to vote for...
First of all, they're saying that he's a threat to democracy while they install a candidate and become a very big threat to democracy.
Accuse your opponent of what you're doing, which was a Nazi tactic.
Not only are they doing that, but...
Not only are they blaming them, but they're doing it.
And she's now fully on board, fully understands the manipulation of that sect, that weird minority in the American population.
tim pool
Just look at these moral cowards, okay?
Because I'll give credit to every single Trump supporter and every single post-liberal or disfected liberal who had no problem saying after Joe Biden won the election...
I'm not on board with the, oh, there were servers and Dominion and all that conspiracy stuff.
That felt like a big cope.
I certainly don't think it was...
Let's just say the bellwethers were off.
There's a lot of questions about the 2020 election.
I'm fine with.
But I do think Democrats largely just ballot harvested and changed the rules in order to win.
After that happened, I didn't say, oh, I supported Joe Biden the whole time.
I mean, Democratic Party is what it's always been.
I was like, Trump is still right.
Joe Biden is terrible.
He's a warmonger.
I have no problem saying that, even if we're losing.
But look at these people.
We come around and we win the popular vote.
We advocate for Trump the entire time.
We have a primary process with strong candidates.
We're fans of Avake.
Initially, we were fans of DeSantis, but his campaign went weird.
And no one liked Nikki Haley.
But it was a fierce primary.
Trump ends up winning, and we say, okay, we're going to get behind the candidate.
Then, after Donald Trump wins, the other liberals all of a sudden now have found Donald Trump.
They have found the absurdity of Democrats.
They are moral cowards.
And I say this— We want their audiences and we want them giving us whatever power or support they can.
But we always must remember that these people are not to be trusted.
Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Micah and Joe, they'll sell you out in two seconds when the wind changes.
But for the time being, if they're going to sing the praises, it's a yes, you can go on one knee now like you had all these athletes do and accept that we were right the whole time.
And we're going to keep going.
But regardless, their viewership's gone.
hotep jesus
There's another segment that changed their mind before the results of the election, like Michael Rapaport.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
hotep jesus
Right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
hotep jesus
So, what happened there?
Are we trusting him?
ian crossland
I do.
I think he legitimately saw the light and was like, whoa.
tim pool
Yeah, the light of attacks on Israel from the left in the streets.
ian crossland
Oh, you think he turned against that as opposed to towards?
tim pool
Look, for someone like Michael Rappaport, and there's a lot of people like him who are Democrats who hated Trump, you could literally have evidence of Trump being falsely framed and prosecuted, and they're going to be like, don't care, Donald Trump is bad!
And then the moment some leftist comes out and burns an Israeli flag, they're like, I'm a Republican now.
ian crossland
All right, well then, I don't trust that.
tim pool
I don't trust them for two seconds.
ian crossland
I don't trust reactionaries in general.
I don't like people that are like, emotional, I'm now away from emotions.
No, no.
I like the people that are honest and look for truth and stick with that.
tim pool
If he was...
Like, Rapoport, if he was sincere...
You know, and I did not realize how crazy the left was.
And it took him this was what woke him up.
I'd say, okay, but he backtracked on Trump.
He came out and said Trump is on the table.
Look what's going on with these protests, then backtracked on Trump.
And now apparently I think he's for Trump again.
I don't trust that.
ian crossland
As opposed to someone like Anna Kasparian who legitimately now sees the danger of what was happening.
And I don't know what she feels about Donald Trump, but she seems like full-on, like, she cares about the truth, always has.
phil labonte
Anna Kasparian's perspective was shaped by multiple actual events.
So there was the fact that she was...
She was sexually assaulted by a homeless person outside of her house.
She said, I'm not a birthing person, and she received all kinds of online hate from people on the left, calling her all the terrible names that you get called.
Um, she looked into the, she, for a long time, believed the narrative about Kyle Rittenhouse.
And then she finally went and looked into it and watch the videos.
And she was like, oh my God, I'm wrong.
This is like, he was actually defending himself and it's clear.
And she's taken Cenk to task on a lot of that stuff.
tim pool
You know what a big component for Anna was?
She said that after she got assaulted by this homeless guy, leftists started making fake videos of her statements out of context to accuse her of things she hadn't done or said.
And she was like, this is crazy.
And I'm like, welcome to the club, Anna.
ian crossland
Rogan also is another example.
He said that the CNN saying that he took horse paste was like the ultimate...
tim pool
They put a picture of a horse on the screen.
So they showed Ivermectin and there was a little horse logo.
And I'm like, that's crazy!
ian crossland
And it's, that was like that for me, when they put Kamala in and they just tried to install a candidate, it was definitely like, I mean, I'm definitely for truth anyway, but seeing the deceivious nature of that organism, that imperial tentacle within the United States is...
tim pool
Let's jump to this.
hotep jesus
It's the Wizard of Oz, though.
tim pool
Let's jump to this.
I want to jump to this video.
We have a clip from Piers Morgan Uncensored.
I want to set this clip up for you before we play it.
I want to give a shout out to Cenk Uygur.
This is an epic Cenk Uygur clip.
Trust me, you guys are actually going to love this.
Alan Lichtman, the guy in the middle, is the Nostradamus of politics.
He is the most arrogant, elitist, credentialist person I've ever heard.
I'm a professor.
I'm the expert.
Don't you tell me.
And he predicted Kamala would win.
When he gets told that the keys to the election, as he describes it, were wrong, he loses.
He says, no, no, they weren't.
You gotta hear this clip.
This is, the cope from some Democrats is so thick, you will enjoy it.
ian crossland
Don't blame the voters.
unidentified
I think, look, we could get into this discussion, but one, I think you're blaming the voters.
ian crossland
I think that's a terrible idea.
unidentified
And look, I debated Professor Lichtman before.
ian crossland
I told him his theories about the keys were absurd.
unidentified
I was right.
He was wrong.
ian crossland
I said he'd lose his keys.
unidentified
No, you were not right, and I was not wrong.
And that's a cheap shot, and I won't stand for it.
Who won, brother?
You should not be taking cheap shots at me.
Who won?
You live in a total world of denial.
I read your own followers' comments, and they all trashed you, every one of them, and supported me.
Yeah, right, right.
So quiet with your personal attacks.
Yeah, come find out again.
Make whatever point you want, don't make it personal.
ian crossland
You don't know anything.
unidentified
You don't know anything.
You attacked me personally.
You're so deluded.
Oh, right.
I've only been a professor for 51 years.
On this program, I've never been able to finish a thought.
How many books have you published?
tim pool
Did you hear that?
unidentified
No, because you're personally attacking me again.
tim pool
What he just said.
unidentified
Oh, right.
I've only been a professor for 51 years.
On this program, I've never been able to finish a thought.
tim pool
Professor for 51 years published 13 books.
He's telling Cenk he's right about his predictions that Kamala Harris was supposed to win.
And he's published all of these books.
And Cenk's just like, dude, you're wrong.
unidentified
How many books have you published?
No, because you're personally attacking me again.
Say whatever you want, but I'm not going to stand for personal attack.
Okay, but brother, you got it wrong!
You were preposterously and stupidly wrong!
So, okay, alright, can I just finish the goddamn thought ever on this show?
No, not if you're personally, I admit it I was wrong.
I don't need you to call me stupid.
Okay.
Can I just say, it's great to see you Democrats all getting along so well.
tim pool
So this kind of goes on, but I'm really enjoying the Alan Lichtman arc because he's giving us this endless stream of very extreme cope and seeth.
The dude stakes his career on being right about elections.
After he was wrong, he makes this video where he's like, I was wrong.
I own up to it.
We'll take some time to assess how we got these wrong and we'll figure it out.
Instead of coming back being like, here's what I misunderstood, he comes back like, actually, I wasn't wrong at all.
Elon Musk interfered in the election with billions of fake news manipulations, and that's actually why the keys didn't work right.
But 160 years of history were changed by Elon Musk.
ian crossland
And the proof is, I'm a professor.
tim pool
Exactly, and I've written 13 books and been a professor for 51 years, so I know better than you.
But this clip is excellent.
See, Cenk Uygur and Anna Kasperin, they get it.
I think they've been seeing the writing on the wall for some time.
There are some liberal personalities, I think, like Free Press and Barry Weiss.
They saw this a few years ago and they're like, guys, the left is going crazy.
And then obviously there's people like Carl Benjamin, there's people like me or Joe Rogan, varying degrees of individuals who were on the left or liberal and then being like the left, the Democratic Party's gone nuts.
Cenk Uygur is now sitting here being he was saying this before the election.
He he didn't.
He thought Trump was was going to win.
He was making these predictions.
However, he, like many other liberals, have only started becoming more aggressive in their description of things, now realizing just how how wrong they were and how badly they lost. - Biden's dementia.
ian crossland
I don't know if he actually has dementia, but when he...
It finally came out in all of the news media.
When they all acknowledged his decline, that was when everybody was like, the jig is totally up now.
And I think Cenk has always desired the truth, but being in an echo chamber sometimes, your truth is distorted by your chamber, so he's seen what he's seen.
And for a lot of people, it was hard to accept that the avatar of truth in this system, the least worst situation, was an entertainer with a potty mouth.
Because it's like, I want a good guy that makes me feel nice, not a guy that screams she's a fat pig and like...
Gets all the attention, and he gets to win, and he was the bully on the plate.
I don't know if Trump was actually a bully or not.
I don't think he was, but I don't know.
It was hard for some people to accept, but I think that's why some people are slow to come around to it.
And the final thing I want to say about Piers Morgan's show...
Great people.
Great guests.
I love peers.
You need to fix your lag, buddy.
Because these guys are overlapping because there's a two-second lag.
They can't hear each other for two seconds.
It makes this a fucking clown show.
So fix that shit.
You get a million views a video.
I still love you, but fix that.
Unless you want them to look ridiculous on purpose, because the thumbnails have them all with their mouths open looking like idiots.
unidentified
I don't know, but please fix the lag.
tim pool
That's the pressing issue.
hotep jesus
It's the lag.
ian crossland
I don't want these guys, Cenk, to be like, why can I never finish a statement on this show?
It's because there's lag.
It's two seconds go by.
tim pool
No, it's because Piers' show is designed around people screaming at each other.
ian crossland
I think it happens because of the lag.
Because they...
Like, if I had to wait two seconds to hear what you said, and you're like, he's not responding, I'm gonna keep going, and then I start to talk over you, and we're like, what in the hell?
tim pool
Well, this is one of the reasons we don't do digital interviews like this.
It really doesn't work.
And I did this, like, two and a half years ago, I did a show with Ben Shapiro for his show, and we...
We recorded it, and then I had to mail a disk because it was a heavy 4K file or something, and we didn't have the internet.
We only had 20 megabits up.
Yeah, it was only 20 megabits.
That's crazy.
So when we were doing it, it's like you talk for a little while and you wait, and then you have to decide when to stop talking so they can then respond.
But when you're in a room with someone, you can see what they're going to do or whatever.
But enough about that.
I'm just here to bask in the—there are two sides to this post-election cope and seethe.
There's the Bill Maher, Jon Stewart's, Cenk Uygur's, and Charlemagne.
They're all being like, oh, wow, oh, geez, you know, oh, Trump, we knew it.
The Democrats are crazy.
And then you have the inverse, which is the Kyle Kalinskis, the Alan Lickmans, the screaming and refusing to back down, saying, we got to go harder on woke.
hotep jesus
We got to be more mean— Well, let's assess what the left is, and I said this before you went to the video.
The left is the Wizard of Oz, and by that what I mean is The image that they project is not who they really are, right?
And what they do is they rule with fear and they can ostracize you, they can get you canceled, they can get you fired, et cetera, et cetera.
But they actually don't exist.
And this is something that I've noticed is that, especially online, much of the support and much of the vitriol comes from bot farms.
I don't know if you guys noticed that.
tim pool
Yes.
hotep jesus
Oh yeah.
I was calling them Kamala bots, right?
And so these aren't real people.
And you saw that in the election where where is that large left?
But The main ways they control is through professors, right?
So you have grade school, high school, and then, of course, you get to university.
And a lot of that indoctrination of liberal politics happens, obviously, at the university level.
And even, you know, for example, when Trump won the first time, my kids came home from school and they were all sad.
And they were like six at the time.
Like, why are you guys sad?
And they were like something, something Trump.
And I'm like, why do you guys even know about that?
So even if you don't teach at the grade school level, the kids pick up the vibes, right?
And they understand, well, Trump has to be bad, and if Trump's bad, then this must be good.
But when we look at the aftermath...
The bots, the media, it has created an illusion because people actually thought Kamala had a chance to win.
They created an illusion to these people and many of them are Boulay, intelligentsia, aristocrats, you know, higher income individuals.
These aren't your everyday people.
So when we talk about Democrats and you talk about, you know, radical leftists, that's not your average Democrat.
You ask an average Democrat about how they feel about sharing bathrooms with another set of group of people, they're like, nah, that's not cool.
But...
Another thing, the pronoun situation, right?
Now you see in corporate America, you got to have your pronouns in your signature, etc., etc.
People are fearful.
They're like, I think I have to do this, right?
tim pool
Yep.
hotep jesus
So it comes back to the Democrats rule with fear, and they're just a big Wizard of Oz.
And if we can pull back the veil and say, look, this is a little man, and he's harmless, I think that's when we can start to have some normalcy.
tim pool
That's the popular vote.
ian crossland
Did you see AOC took her pronouns out of her bio, too?
tim pool
She did it about a year ago.
hotep jesus
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, so people started showing her super old bio and then claiming she just took her pronouns out.
And then I pulled up the archives and their pronouns were removed a year ago.
ian crossland
Sorry to interrupt.
You were saying the popular vote is the incision of...
tim pool
That's why it was so important.
That's why I was stressing that.
Look, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million, and that's why they went anti-Trump.
They said, that's the minority.
We're the majority.
They won by accident.
2020 comes around.
Biden gets 81 million.
Popular vote wins.
They say, we're the majority.
2024 comes around, Trump wins the popular vote, Republicans win everything, and now all of a sudden, I'm on the winning side.
They're always on the side that they think is the majority.
That's why they go out in the streets and scream, you're on the wrong side of history.
That's their greatest fear.
hotep jesus
And it's Supreme Grifton.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
The power of echo, of an echo chamber.
If you don't get enough volume, the echo's not produced.
And once you get enough volume, the more volume, the greater the echo.
So if they fail to get the, whatever you want to call it, the status quo, then it just doesn't appear.
phil labonte
I'm going to play a little bit of devil's advocate, and I'm sure that the chat's going to have a field day with this.
But...
This is actually the goal, right?
To change people's minds.
Now, I'm sure that there are plenty of people that are changing and they're doing it for money, they're doing it for monetary reasons, they're doing it to save their jobs, they're doing it to save face because they want to be on the right side.
I'm 100% aware of that.
I totally agree.
I'm not saying that that's not happening.
But you don't change hearts and minds without that happening as well.
When you actually are successful, when you have, when you have, when you put in the effort to say, no, our opponents are wrong and they're wrong here and they're wrong here and they're wrong here.
And then you actually convince the voter and you see it play out in the actual election, the way that we just did.
That's a victory and it's going to create downstream effects.
And some of those downstream effects are going to be people that are grifters, people that are looking to save their butts, looking to just be on the cool guy side.
They're going to say, oh, we have to change.
But this is a symptom of victory.
And I'm not saying we're done.
I'm not one of those guys that's like, the woke is destroyed.
That is absolutely not true.
This is winning a battle.
This is not winning a war.
But...
It is evidence that we can win.
hotep jesus
We saw a huge culture shift directly after the results of the election.
One of them was raging feminists practicing abstinence.
That's what we've been wanting, right?
And then what was the other example?
Oh, another guy said, oh, we have to arm ourselves.
And then in the black community, we were saying this for a really long time.
They kept grouping us with other groups of people and calling us POC, POC, POC. And you get Joyanne Reed and others saying, it's no longer POC. It's just black people.
And I'm like...
Thank you.
So Trump's already made America great again, and he's already made feminists great again, and he's made black America great again.
Just in those three examples, it's like they've turned into conservatives by losing.
ian crossland
I also think that, kind of along what you were saying, Phil, with...
The way people are, maybe not shifting allegiance, but the way people are like, now I'm supporting whatever's happening, the new popular thing.
You've got to be discerning about who you elevate to positions of power, either in your own life, who you're going to pay attention to, who you're going to believe when they talk.
Because the people that were saying one thing four months ago and they're saying a different thing now, you've got to question.
If they're worth listening to.
I'll put myself in that camp.
I was very blatantly on the fence.
And that was, you know, I knew immediately when they, I wasn't voting for Biden.
And when they selected Kamala, I wasn't voting for that.
But I was always saying I was going to be on the fence.
I do a lot of social subversion, but you don't have to believe me either.
Because I didn't, I wasn't in full support of, I mean, I'm always going to get behind what I believe, that's for sure.
But I will, unfortunately, I will mess with you.
I do that on purpose just because I feel like if you're too obvious, it's like charging a machine gun nest.
But the point still stands.
Be discerning about who you put your faith in.
tim pool
I want to jump to this next story.
Before I do, I want to mention this one super chat.
Scott House said, place time clocks behind guest and your head to prevent clips out of context.
This is a fix from last night's conversation.
I got a better idea.
I'm going to make an analog random number generator.
So it looks like a standard analog clock, but it will every minute just jump to random positions.
So no matter what happens, anytime someone pulls up a clip of me, the clock will be changing into random ways.
So it always looks like it's out of context.
Anyway, let's jump to this story from the New York Times.
So this is the headline they use.
Trump confirms plans to use the military to assist in mass deportations.
They then go on to mention building detention centers.
And this is where the story gets hot.
In it, they actually write.
Let me read it for you.
One major impediment to the vast deportation operation that the Trump team has promised in his second term is that the Immigration and Customs Enforcement lacks the space to hold a significantly larger number of detainees.
That has sometimes led to allowing asylum seekers into the country while they await court dates with immigration judges, a practice critics deride his catch and release.
The Trump team believes that such camps could enable the government to accelerate deportations of undocumented people who fight their expulsion from the country.
The idea is that more people would voluntarily accept removal instead of pursuing a long shot effort to remain in the country if they had to stay locked up in the interim.
Asked about the proposal, Sabrina Singh, a spokesman for the Pentagon, declined to comment, calling it a hypothetical.
But this is where the story is now being seeded.
The narrative created by the New York Times is to nudge in a...
Detention facility, then camp.
Next, you will see activist outlets start reporting.
New York Times says Donald Trump will build camps to round up asylum seekers.
And this is the birth of their new narrative.
You have seen it here first, ladies and gentlemen.
So should this blossom into a big fake news hoax like they often do, you know where it came from.
ian crossland
You know, they use the word camp very readily.
The word camp brings illusion of the Nazi concentration camps.
Obviously, during COVID, we...
Talked a lot about in Australia, they had a facility that they were like, come, stay at our facility.
You can't leave, by the way.
They would lock people in.
And so I think Tim and I, we would both talk about calling them camps for fun because it's like, hey, let's go outside the box here.
But good luck getting the New York Times to start calling it a camp.
Only when the narrative suits them will they use that word.
tim pool
So during Obama, he built detention facilities.
administration and say, yeah, we'll probably use these facilities.
They then say camps.
They're trying to set the stage for the Donald Trump is going to use the military to travel around, rounding up asylum seekers to put them in camps.
We predicted this.
OK, Trump.
Trump deporting people here illegally is just following the law, but they want to turn it into Trump is Hitler.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's a clip of the new guy that's going to be in charge of the border talking with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Tom Homan.
Tom Homan.
And she was like, they're seeking asylum.
He's like, then they should go through a legal port of entry.
That's the method.
phil labonte
That shouldn't be any kind of controversy.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
It's not.
But for some reason...
So these people aren't technically...
If they're here and they say, I'm seeking asylum, they're not technically seeking asylum until they go through the legal port of entry to seek asylum.
They're seeking, seeking asylum.
That's different.
hotep jesus
They're invited, though.
That's the sad part.
ian crossland
Well, Kamala did say, don't come.
hotep jesus
Well, before that, they were invited and we created sanctuary cities, right?
And we created the program of Asylum.
So there was a big invitation and a big bow on our border that said, hey, come on in.
And then when Trump came...
A lot of people stopped coming.
ian crossland
Almost immediately, too.
hotep jesus
Just his appearance, just knowing that he was going to be the guy in the White House, right?
So we're going to see the same thing.
We're going to see a decline in people crossing the road, et cetera, et cetera.
tim pool
So I think this might be the clip that's been going viral.
Let me play it.
unidentified
Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from their- If I get arrested for DUI and I have a young child in a car, I'm going to be separated.
When I was a police officer in New York and I arrested a father for domestic violence, Mr.
alexandria ocasio-cortez
Holman, with all due respect, legal asylees are not charged with any crime.
unidentified
When you're in a country illegally, it's a violation of the United States Code 1325.
alexandria ocasio-cortez
Seeking asylum is legal.
unidentified
If you want to seek asylum and go through the port of entry, do it the legal way.
The Attorney General of the United States has made that clear.
alexandria ocasio-cortez
Okay.
Mr.
Chair, the memo is submitted to the memo.
tim pool
It is a violation of 8USC, what do you say, 835?
And isn't it great when she's like, legal asylee.
ian crossland
So you go through the port of entry, you do it the legal way, and she immediately retracted.
She was like, oh, he's right.
I was wrong.
tim pool
Their worldview is fake.
Now AOC is playing this whole, are there any podcasts you Trump voters listen to?
I want some recommendations.
Oh, here we go.
ian crossland
Oh, well, that's promising.
I don't necessarily trust her, but that's promising.
tim pool
Is she up for a grifty?
hotep jesus
She's definitely up for it.
Kriftys.com, go vote for her.
She's definitely with that move.
phil labonte
If we can get her on here, you want her to come on here?
tim pool
Our booking is talking to AOC's people.
ian crossland
Yeah, she's top, dude.
Because she is there to represent the people.
And if the peoples have spoken, you know, it's her duty.
tim pool
Yeah, she said people in her district voted for Trump and her.
And she was like, how is that possible?
And then she says this thing about, like, we got to go knock on doors because the Internet, if you think everybody just lives in this world, you're wrong.
And I'm like, look, if you solicit a subset of people in your audience, you'll find it.
If I said to the audience, if you guys out there are eating celery with peanut butter and raisins on it, I want to hear from you because that's disgusting.
I'm getting a bunch of messages from people who are going to say they love, what is it called, ants on a log or something?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And it's disgusting.
Raisins and celery.
And people are going to say, I love it, it's great.
Then I can show you 10 comments and be like, look at all these people who love this.
Wow, everyone loves this stuff.
That's basically what she's doing.
So if she wants to go and find Trump-supporting podcasts or whatever, good for her.
She needs to expand her horizon and gets out of her fake news bubble.
hotep jesus
But that's been the problem with the left is they weren't listening.
phil labonte
No, they were determined to tell people how they were supposed to think.
hotep jesus
Yeah, we couldn't have discourse, dialogue.
I've been struggling to have any discourse with a leftist of any kind.
tim pool
Yeah, they won't do it.
hotep jesus
They just won't do it.
And I think a lot of that is, you know, it's like, what do they tell their people?
It's like, you know, if you talk to them, you're platforming, right?
It's just like, you know, speaking to these people, they don't deserve a conversation.
They're so evil that you can't have a conversation.
If you have a conversation, then you're supporting evil.
So again, it just comes back to that whole fear thing and saying, you know, if you talk to them, we'll cancel you if you're even talking to them.
ian crossland
Seems like that...
The echo chamber has been shattered and that anyone of relevance from that community is now open to communicating across platforms.
There are still segments of people that are just locked in their brains, but I don't know any of them that have any relevance socially beyond like their little Facebook group of getting 68 likes on their comment from their cult of friends.
phil labonte
Repeat what you tell me.
ian crossland
I'm sorry.
That echo chamber of, like, they're evil, don't platform that, has been shattered now.
And it's kind of inhingent on us not to recreate the echo chamber subconsciously by being like, hey, wait, you're supposed to be in an echo chamber.
What's that?
tim pool
Inhingent?
ian crossland
Yeah, I like that word.
tim pool
Incumbent?
ian crossland
All of it, yeah.
It hinges on us to not recreate subvertedly the echo chamber because there's an opening now.
And what I was saying is a lot of the people that are still stuck I see don't have any podcast.
They don't have any relevant following that I know of.
hotep jesus
The thing about the echo chamber...
ian crossland
Yeah, the ones that are still stuck in the echo chamber, I don't really see anybody with a...
I don't know.
phil labonte
I haven't watched any of this stuff lately.
hotep jesus
You know, Uncle Hotep showed the other day that Gabrielle Union had him blocked.
And I said, I know how she had you blocked.
And what they do is they have, you know, the block list.
You can upload the block list.
They're doing it on that other app now.
tim pool
Yeah, Blue Sky.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
So they actually say, you're one of us here.
If you're one of us...
Upload this list so you never even hear these voices.
And it creates a wall between you and them so their people can't even hear you.
You don't get that type of tweets, you don't get that type of content, you don't get the retweets, etc., etc.
So they've built a digital wall between their followers and us.
ian crossland
Powerful technology.
hotep jesus
Yeah, but it doesn't work when you're dealing with, you know, viral streamers like, you know, Aiden Ross, Kai Sinat, and all those guys.
Those guys break those barriers.
And Gen Z, you know, like I was talking to my son, and he said, where are you going?
I said, I'm going to Tim Cass.
He's like, oh, I know Tim Cass.
I mean, he's 15 years old.
I'm like, how the heck do you know Tim Cass?
And he thought it was cool, but it shows you Gen Z is paying attention.
They're not on Twitter.
Gen Z's on the streaming sites, and those streaming sites are leaning way more conservative, and nobody liberal really has a strong problem.
tim pool
Well, they got that adpocalypse now.
We talked about this the other day.
Twitch streamers are losing like 90% of their revenue.
It's just evaporating.
ian crossland
And X just got new, all the ads start coming back in.
And this show's lit up like times two views.
I'm checking in, it's like 78,000 live viewers as opposed to the 48,000.
tim pool
Yeah, it's 61,000 right now.
ian crossland
And there was like 80,000, 90,000 ever since the election.
I don't know if the people, if Alphabet's like, it's time to just lay off all this weird censorship stuff, or if more people are coming, or if it's a combo.
tim pool
I think the popular vote victory terrifies them.
Look, they're scared of the left canceling them.
So they just say, do what the left wants.
Once they realize they're on the wrong side of history, they panic and say, quick, quick, to the other side, to the other side.
Now, all of a sudden, our ratings are through the roof.
Advertisers are knocking on the doors.
All the big advertisers are like, we want in.
There's a lot more going on behind the scenes, but...
ian crossland
The Trump-Rogan show had, I don't know, 200 million views across platforms in a week.
I don't know what the numbers were.
80 million on YouTube.
They shut it down for a day and then it was back up all over the place.
It was on X. Got 80 million views on X. God knows.
It's just...
tim pool
I want to pull up this story just as a reference.
This is from Fast Company from earlier in the year.
Is the dead internet theory suddenly coming true?
Here's my proposal to you guys.
One of the reasons perhaps we are seeing the left lose so many viewers and subscribers and why these channels are losing ratings, could it be that dead internet theory was true and that it was a mechanism by corporations and governments to prop up far-left ideologies to create the perception that they were popular?
Let me pause first and explain what this is.
You guys familiar with that internet theory?
ian crossland
Sounds similar to what Brian was saying earlier.
tim pool
Around 2016, the idea is that the internet has become more bots than people.
hotep jesus
Oh.
tim pool
So when you make a post and you're like, I don't like waffles, all of the responses are automated bots who are trying to sell a product or convince you of something to control your opinion.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's pause and go back to the late 2000s, early 2010s, with the Anonymous Hacker Collective and Lulzac and groups like this.
We discovered through the work of Barrett Brown of Project PM and some hackers who exfiltrated data, The U.S. Air Force was creating sock puppet social media accounts to be sold.
They create them.
They have a single individual operate 50 accounts to control public opinion.
Assumptions were that in Libya, one of my favorite, one of the favorite points brought up by activists during the time of the Libyan revolution slash civil war was there sure are a lot of Libyans that speak English and around American social media.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
tim pool
But you'd see these Libyans saying, we must stop Gaddafi, freedom.
And the Americans would be like, retweeting it, like, wow, look at this.
And it was generating public support in the United States for NATO to go in and do airstrikes, no-fly zones, whatever.
Hillary Clinton then says, we came, we saw he died.
If dead and dead theory is true, and corporations and governments are largely controlling bot accounts, what you'll end up seeing is a couple things.
The first, when Elon Musk bought X, what did we see?
When it was announced he was going to buy X, leftists lost tons of followers.
Conservatives gained tons of followers.
How does that make sense?
Well, some speculated that it was because there was a thumb on the button.
That Twitter at the time was propping up left-wing channels and holding back right-wing channels.
Could it be that bots were largely being operated to prop up these left-wing channels to make it look like they were more prominent than they really were?
Well, following Elon's takeover, users started complaining they weren't getting the same views and clicks anymore.
Why is my engagement so down?
I mean, for me, it was kind of like every tweet I put out have thousands.
Now it's like sometimes they have a thousand, sometimes a few hundred.
Well, when you get rid of bots, which is what Elon's whole plan was, your engagement will go down.
Your engagement was fake the whole time.
But people can't tell the difference.
They see 10,000 likes, they feel good.
They see 1,000 likes, they feel bad, even if they aren't real.
Following the election, David Pakman says, Brian Tyler Cohen, he, all these liberals are losing followers.
They're losing subscribers.
Now we're hearing that the left, these liberals, are bleeding followers on X like crazy followers.
And perhaps because they're all fleeing to blue sky.
That makes no sense.
I don't believe it for a second.
Because didn't they already flee to threads?
What's wrong with that?
They already fled to threads.
How are they now fleeing again?
Doesn't quite make sense.
Unless dead internet theory is correct.
Following the election of Donald Trump, the machines that were propping up these bots turned off.
The accounts deactivate, the money stops flowing, no one's paying these people to run sock puppets anymore, so they all just shut it down, and then we see the left burn a bunch of followers.
ian crossland
They would be shutting them down way before he gets into office and torching all evidence that they existed.
tim pool
No, no.
They have to wait until the election, because what if he wins?
ian crossland
I mean, before inauguration is what I meant.
They're doing it before inauguration.
tim pool
So the reason why it happens immediately after the election makes perfect sense.
If they're running these bot accounts, one person running 50 followers to make it look like a liberal's got a big following and making lots of money.
How is this one guy getting a million views per video?
They're not going to shut it down before the election in case Kamala wins.
If Trump wins, who's going to pay the bills?
Hillary Clinton cut a bunch of deals.
You know, what was it?
The Clinton Global Initiative and Foundation shuttered as soon as she lost the election and the donations stopped coming in because we know what the point of that was.
So if you are being paid to run 500 sock puppet accounts to comment, to post, to view videos, and they've got a team of 10 running, you Once the election's done, you're like, okay, the contract is up.
We're done paying this.
All of a sudden, the views drop, the subscribers drop, cancellations hit.
Perhaps.
I'm not saying I know for sure.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
There's also a third option.
Well, first of all, there's two types of these accounts.
One is hired guns, right?
And the other one is private, like just some kid in Malaysia trying to do whatever he wants to do, right?
So...
The private guy doesn't necessarily turn his bots off.
He just changes course.
So he goes, I was shilling for the left.
That was the thing to do.
Now it's like all these bots now shill for the right.
tim pool
Here's another component to that.
A lot of bots that operate on X and other platforms do it to create the image that they're real.
So one of the first things bots will do is they'll follow prominent social media accounts so that if somebody investigates, they see what looks like a normal user following Brad Pitt and Rachel Maddow.
Could it be perhaps then that a lot of the followers were passively following what was assumed to be prominent mainstream voices – CNN, liberal commentators who get lots of views because it made the bots look legitimate – I
don't see that as bots because that's the ratings tracking agencies.
But our views are way up.
hotep jesus
I know why they lost ratings.
So CNN had a change of CEOs last year, right?
And they tried to come more center, right?
MSNBC recently tried to go more center right.
Oh yeah.
So what happened was everybody was accustomed to a certain product.
That was extremely leftist.
I have family members that said they're angry at CNN. They are angry at MSNBC because they've had a more balanced take and they are no longer watching these channels.
So some of that drop-off is attributed to the fact that people don't want to hear anything positive about Trump because they've been so programmed with Orange Man Bad that the thought and sight of them enrages them.
tim pool
Let me see if I can...
I'll play this clip for you guys.
This is from...
This is Jon Stewart.
mika brzezinski
Joe and I went to Mar-a-Lago to meet personally with President-Elect Trump.
And for those asking why we would go speak to the President-Elect during such fraught times, especially between us, I guess I would ask back, why wouldn't we?
unidentified
Uh, because you said he was Hitler.
jon stewart
I'm going to do a one-act play called Joe and Mika Go to Mar-a-Lago.
unidentified
Mr.
President, your rhetoric is outrageous!
jon stewart
I cannot in good conscience...
Who are those macaroos?
The pink one is raspberry!
tim pool
The best part, because you called him Hitler, but that's your point.
MSNBC is now saying, we're fine with Trump.
Joe Scarborough, let me see if I can find this video where he gets a standing ovation where he says there's no middle ground with Trump.
hotep jesus
Yeah, but that's, it's like bait and switch, right?
But, you know, it's like, you know, let's say you purchase Pepsi, right?
Or some drink, right?
And then they change the formula.
Like when Wendy's changed their french fries, right?
phil labonte
What?
hotep jesus
Why would you change your french fries?
You had the best french fries that could rival McDonald's french fries.
phil labonte
Because Hindus got mad because they were making them in beef tallow and the Hindus were like, that's not okay with us at all.
unidentified
What?
hotep jesus
Is that why?
phil labonte
Yeah, seriously.
hotep jesus
Okay, so see, so now I'm not happy anymore and I don't like Wendy's french fries anymore.
So now it's like, if I want junk, I go to McDonald's, right?
But it's the same thing.
You've changed your recipe.
So people...
Are no longer purchasing.
unidentified
That's it.
ian crossland
It's like if a Pepsi changes its recipe, is it still Pepsi?
I mean, it's a different drink with the same brand name on it.
It's the same thing with these guys when they change their perception or their tune.
I mean, people can change, but the vast oscillation of Mika and Joe is like changing the recipe of a food and keeping the same brand name on it.
tim pool
Listen to this.
hotep jesus
It's abrupt, too.
tim pool
This is interesting.
This is from April.
joe scarborough
...me trying to understand other people.
And being so pragmatic and trying to be like, I'm okay, you're okay now.
Where can we meet in the middle?
On this question, we're past that.
You can't meet if they...
Listen, if they voted for Trump in 16, whatever.
They voted for Trump in 20, they knew exactly what they were doing.
If they vote for Donald Trump in 2024, and I've said it on my show, I'll say it here, they're knowingly voting for a fascist.
They're voting for a racist.
They're voting for somebody that wants to put this country 200 years in the back.
And so, I'm not trying to figure them out.
I'm trying to figure out how we get people out who love democracy, who love freedom, who love the rights of all Americans, how to get them to the voting booth.
tim pool
And he couldn't, and Trump won, and now they're bending the knee and kissing his pinky ring.
phil labonte
I just want to point out that fascism is not 200 years old.
It was a creation in the 20th century.
ian crossland
Particularly Mussolini.
It was his style of government.
He coined it.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, fascism started around the same time as communism.
ian crossland
Anytime someone throws out that word from now on, and these days, I'm going to ask them to define what they mean by that, because calling someone a fascist might have a different meaning to one guy as it does to another guy, like corporate government collusion, like the Federal Reserve.
Our whole system's built on that fascist thing right now, unfortunately.
Right around the formation of Mussolini's fascism is when the Federal Reserve came around.
phil labonte
Any attachment to reality, though.
All it means is, bad thing I don't like.
tim pool
When I pointed out, this was back during election week, that David Pakman was saying, like, I'm losing all these followers and subscribers.
Please don't leave.
Please subscribe.
We need you.
We pointed out it could be bots.
And I said, I don't know about paid subscribers, but Twitter followers and YouTube subscribers, definitely.
And he took issue with that, saying that I suggested that the platform was creating the bots.
I was like, that's not what I said.
And I actually showed an article.
This is from when Elon said he wanted to buy Twitter, before he did.
There was this weird moment where liberals just lost tons of followers.
And they tried making the excuse that, oh, it's because liberals are fleeing.
And we're like, fleeing from what?
Elon's not even bought the platform.
Then they said, haha, Elon, you have to buy the platform.
They forced him to do it.
Apparently he was trying to back out and they're like, nope, you signed the contract, you got to buy it.
Then he did.
We saw conservatives gaining tons of followers.
Before Elon bought the platform.
How does that make sense?
Some said it's because conservatives are coming back.
No, I don't think that makes sense.
No change had been made to the platform.
hotep jesus
I think certain people have access to the code.
And somebody had access to that algorithm because the same thing happened to me as soon as it announced.
And I think they went in and they took out whatever was nefarious in that algorithm because they were afraid that when they purchased a platform, it would get exposed.
And I don't know if Elon has gone in and looked at previous code, but I think they went in and changed the algorithm so they wouldn't get in trouble.
tim pool
That's what a lot of people thought, that they took a thumb off the scale because they knew they were going to get caught.
hotep jesus
Right.
tim pool
And so what that means is they're suppressing right-wing accounts and propping up left-wing accounts.
hotep jesus
Correct.
tim pool
And they're doing it because they want to push the liberal worldview knowing it cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's impossible to say for sure, but it is such an easy tactic for a government-funded agency or corporate agency to do that, a fascist agency in that instance.
If the government was outsourcing it to a corporation, that would be very fascist of them to do.
It's such an easy battle tactic of the mind to create tons of fake, especially with artificial intelligence now.
The advanced AI that the Navy and the military is working with that they have access to, I could imagine...
You'd have a variety of communication weapons.
I call them weapons because they're shaping people's minds without them knowing.
You can consider that a sort of weaponization.
Man, so it is like a very, very path of least resistance assumption.
I don't want to publicly make the assumption and start claiming it, obviously.
We can't do that without evidence.
But yeah, it seems like a damn fine possibility, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least, and I would say we should be on guard for it regardless.
I'd actually...
I want a button on YouTube where I can delete all my subscribers that haven't logged in in two years or something.
All my dead accounts, because they're making my algorithm look bad.
I put up a video, I got 30,000 followers, and it gets 600 views.
Like...
Probably 10,000 of those people aren't even logging in.
I don't know.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
President-elect Trump's approval rating hits 54% in Harvard-Harris poll.
Now I know, I don't typically use single polls.
I like to use the aggregate polling, but he's not even elected yet.
And so this is some of the first polling that we're getting.
Trump at 54%.
This is, I gotta tell you, it's hilarious.
He wasn't seeing this before the election.
Now he's hitting 54%, and I think it's because the media has largely backed off.
They realize their narrative is broken.
The machine doesn't work.
Advertisers are fleeing.
Twitch adpocalypse, whatever you want to call it.
So what do we get?
We get Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, and the likes of these liberals who are now saying, oh, Trump's not so bad, and Trump's approval rating goes up.
This is the reality of fair weather...
ian crossland
You've got to use it to your advantage.
This would be in the war.
You conquer territory.
You absorb all these generals from the enemy that you conquer, and they join your army.
You take the landowners.
They join your nation.
Entrust power to these guys right away.
You don't elevate the enemy generals that are now serving you to positions of authority right away because they might betray you.
And it's the same way with these news anchors.
But you do have to accept and utilize their power and their force just in the right way.
At arm's length.
Whatever the case.
Embrace it.
This is the spoils of war.
They join you.
They empower your new creation.
unidentified
But you do not elevate it to authority.
phil labonte
Someone just tweeted at me, and this might actually have some substance.
He said the reason Joe and Miko went to Mar-a-Lago was to apologize because Trump's suing mainstream media.
And they're trying to cover their butts.
tim pool
Well, CNN ran this.
It was Brian Stelter who wrote, they did it because they fear retribution from Trump.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, they've been calling...
Look, man, there was...
When Donald Trump was still running in 2016, before he won the election, there was a time where someone called into, or Joe Scarborough was talking to someone, and I don't remember who it was, was, but they made the point that they were thinking that Joe Scarborough might be Donald Trump's vice president pick because he had been so complimentary on Morning Joe.
Donald Trump was a staple on Morning Joe.
They had been friends.
Joe and Trump had been friends.
They were they constantly were talking.
They constantly had Donald Trump on after Donald Trump was elected.
I heard a ton of people complaining about how the reason Donald Trump got elected was because of Morning Joe because they gave him so much free advertising and so much time But the fact of the matter is, Donald Trump will call anyone.
Donald Trump will call.
No presidents do this, but Donald Trump will call into Fox& Friends and be like, yo, I want to talk.
Put me on the air.
That's just how Donald Trump is.
Now, Joe didn't have to have him on, which is fair enough.
But it's probably a situation where he overcorrected because he was being accused of helping Donald Trump to get elected.
And so the powers that be didn't like that.
The left-leaning media didn't like that.
And so they were like, you know, Joe, you need to do something to help discredit Donald Trump.
And then when he realized that obviously Donald Trump's approval rating is at now 54 or whatever, and And like I said earlier, people are seeing the writing on the wall.
And so he's just swung back.
But I mean, the fact of the matter is, everyone kind of sees that Trump is popular.
It's cool.
hotep jesus
Did you expect this?
unidentified
Did you expect Donald Trump to win the election?
phil labonte
Honestly, I thought that the establishment had more control than it seems to.
I thought that the establishment was going to fortify the election to the point where Donald Trump couldn't win.
tim pool
I had largely said, I don't know.
And it's because of the fortification or the shadow campaign, as they call it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
However, I'm like, based on the numbers, based on the polling, Trump should win.
But based on the deep state shadow campaign, Trump should lose.
So I really can't tell you.
What I will say is, several months before the election, a year before the election, we have discussed on the show the prospect that the deep state has lost control as the grandchildren of those who created the liberal economic order.
They don't know how to operate this machine they've inherited.
And so they've lost this control and it was only a matter of time.
It looked like about a month out, one thing we talked about was that the rats may be jumping ship.
And so let's say you have 100 deep state, 51 deep state spies who want to push a narrative.
As long as they all believe they're going to win, they have that combined force to screw up an election in their favor.
But if at any point they start to feel pressured, like maybe Trump is going to win, then they falter, they jump ship, and then without any combined strength of deep state, Trump ends up getting through, and now they're scattering panic.
ian crossland
Yeah, you know, if there was malfeasance in 2020, which has always been a hotly debated topic, and Trump had won, he would have had access to investigate that.
tim pool
He has that access now.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I was the same way I thought...
I actually said on the show, if everything was on the table and was legit, Trump would win, and I used the word landslide.
74%.
I thought he was going to just take everything, but I thought in my soul, in my heart, that the deep state or whatever would manipulate the digital voting, would flip the votes 51-49, it would be very close, Kamala would come ahead.
And I thought the same thing in 2016, and it was like a gut punch when I woke up to Trump winning.
This is the second time that my...
My black-pilled cynicism has not won.
And that's a reason to take the momentum and go forward.
Words cannot even describe the opportunity as sovereign citizens that we have to create something beautiful, something real for this planet.
The United States is the best country on Earth, the best government ever created known to man, where the citizens govern themselves.
It's...
And I think this is an opportunity to spread that, not through war, but through culture, through love of country, love of what we've done and what we can do.
Man.
Man, I was shocked.
I wasn't shocked.
I was just, I guess, surprised.
I don't know.
It was almost...
What about you?
What did you think?
hotep jesus
I thought the right was on the wall.
I said it on my show.
I said, Trump gonna win this.
It's gonna be a landslide.
And intuitively, I was looking at social media and I saw a huge shift to the right.
And to me, it looked like the establishment wanted Trump.
From what I saw.
And I think it was because they turned the ship so far left that it got out of control.
And we saw that after October 7th.
And they said, holy crap, these radical leftists that we created are no longer doing what we want them to do.
They're turning against us.
Let's turn the ship back right.
tim pool
Yep.
hotep jesus
And get a little bit back center.
So that's why I said, okay, Trump's going to win because they have to turn the shit back right.
And this is a common theme among socialists.
When they start to get too powerful, they fragment them.
So they go from socialists to democratic socialists.
And you see this all throughout the history of socialism and communists.
But when they get too powerful, they'll fragment them or they'll just shift to another direction.
And it looked to me like a balance of power.
tim pool
This is something we had talked about with the October 7th thing, is that they may have tried to cut a deal with Trump.
Like, we surrender, don't destroy us.
You know what I mean?
Do you think it's something like that?
hotep jesus
Absolutely.
tim pool
They go to Trump and they say, look, the left has gone nuts.
We're in for Israel.
We can't have them.
What do we do?
I wonder then if they were like, we'll wind everything down.
Because, I mean, I got to say, it does kind of make sense the way the corporate press is now acting towards Trump.
Their handlers are all of a sudden like, nah, say Trump's eye.
phil labonte
Politico is reporting that Linda McMahon was tapped for education secretary.
tim pool
Ah, that sucks.
ian crossland
Linda McMahon, I'm not familiar.
tim pool
It sucks because we want to get rid of the Department of Education.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
Linda McMahon, she was actually in Trump's first administration.
tim pool
But in all seriousness, that's great.
ian crossland
I thought the same thing here with the Israeli, the support for Israel.
And I think we talked about it in August, even, or before.
But he's the guy, he was the president that was like...
Would support Israel and that that might be what would get him in.
And there's lots of aspects of a deep state.
Some of them are the Israel lobby.
According to Mike Benz, the Israeli lobby is very powerful within that deep state apparatus.
That influence obviously shifted towards Trump behind the scenes because of his vocal support of Israel.
hotep jesus
To me, the shift to the right, everybody's like, oh, it's organic, we're winning, we're winning, and I'm over here biting my nails like, oh, you know this is part of the plan, right?
And so I'm trying to see how far right we go.
ian crossland
I want Dave Smith to get in Trump's cabinet.
He said he was putting a libertarian in the cabinet.
Rogan was talking about getting Dave Smith and Trump on the show together, the three of them, and I think Trump can help guide his Middle East policy, or Dave Smith can help him.
tim pool
Here's the conspiracy that I've talked about quite a bit, but I'm not saying it's true.
It's a conspiracy theory.
Donald Trump has always been the choice of the deep state.
In the late 2000s, I remember this, Alex Jones was becoming more and more prominent and popular.
Libertarians were rising up around Ron Paul.
They opposed war.
They opposed the IMF, the SWIFT payments, and all of these things.
Alex Jones had been talking about the Amero, a North American currency, rejected because people were in revolt against it, real ID, all these things.
There's the guy where the Liberty dollar gets raided.
And so the conspiracy theory goes, the deep state says, guys, people hate Romney.
Obama was not enough.
We've got Occupy still.
Tea Party and Occupy, we have the makings of a populist uprising.
How do we capture this?
Well, these guys, assuming they're not stupid...
Say, okay, look, we tried the Obama route.
He's not an old white man.
He's hoping he's changed.
He came out of nowhere.
He challenged the machine.
It didn't stop the Tea Party and it didn't stop Occupy Wall Street.
So that doesn't work.
What we need to do is have a champion defeat the evil that the populist movement fears.
How do we do that?
So they say Donald Trump's a billionaire.
He's a friend of ours.
Let's get him.
We will prop him up as this upstart outsider.
He's a billionaire, by the way, who challenges the machine.
We'll try to destroy him, but never really.
We'll put him, you know, he'll be in on it with us.
And then we'll set him up to be the champion who defeats the evil machine empire and what ends up happening.
You'll get the likes of Alex Jones cheering on the executive branch.
You get the likes of Luke Rudkowski.
And you will get those Ron Paul libertarians voting Republican.
They will line up next to the American flag to strengthen this country, strengthen its ties to government, and champion its president in his authority to...
helps, you know, control everything.
So that's the conspiracy theory.
I'm not saying it's true, but people believe that Donald Trump, who was friends with the Clintons and friends of these people, they chose him to be this, I'm going to challenge the machine.
They play the heel.
Trump defeats the bad guy and Dave Smith votes Republican.
Now, right?
It seems like, how do you get plausible to me?
It's It's like I mentioned the CIA saying, how do we get Dave Smith to vote Republican?
And they're like, here's the plan.
You know, I'm not a fan of conspiracies, though, because a simple solution tends to be the correct one.
The people who create the liberal economic order have long since passed.
The grandchildren who have inherited this thing to the CIA have no idea what they're doing.
The BRICS nations are growing out of control.
The deep state has no idea how to maintain the narrative machine.
The ratings are collapsing.
And Donald Trump rises up in the wake, along with other populist movements, makes substantially more sense.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's room for another world order for sure.
Like the evolution of the world order is happening in front of us with BRICS and with the liberal economic just failing to manipulate.
Yeah, BRICS is Brazil, Russia, India, China.
hotep jesus
I know what BRICS is, but BRICS is not a threat.
ian crossland
Not a threat.
I wouldn't call it threat, but it's another type of world order, economic world order.
And so it's been growing in the last few years, and the liberal economic order is floundering.
There's Bitcoin, there's this digital world potential world, but if the power goes off, you don't have access to your Bitcoin.
hotep jesus
I mean, you don't have access to anything.
ian crossland
Without the power.
hotep jesus
You don't have access to your checking account.
unidentified
Unless you actually have cash.
phil labonte
Or gold.
tim pool
Imagine carrying around gold coins everywhere.
ian crossland
With your little dagger in your pouch.
tim pool
You'd probably actually have copper.
phil labonte
Silver dimes are still out there.
You can use those.
hotep jesus
None of those things would be money.
ian crossland
So heavy.
tim pool
Silver, copper, and gold?
hotep jesus
No.
Bullets would be gold.
tim pool
Maybe.
hotep jesus
Bullets would be currency.
unidentified
Well, hold on.
tim pool
Not if the power goes out.
You're talking about if there's total economic collapse.
hotep jesus
If the power goes out, you can still have digital currency.
It's called offline currency.
That'll be part of the CBDC. Right.
tim pool
So the first thing we're talking about is if the power goes out, you have no access to Bitcoin.
You have no access to your checking account.
But you can still trade with cash and precious metals or whatever.
If society crumbles, yeah, bullets are everything.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Bullets are water.
tim pool
But I got to be honest.
We've made this joke where it's like you go to the grocery store and you're like, I'll take a gallon of milk and I'll take those cans of beans.
Do you have change for a 50 BMG? And they'll be like, yeah, and they give you like a handful of 9mm or something.
That's the joke, but bullets are going to be more than currency because a single.22 long rifle is going to be worth a lot of money.
You're talking about a tiny bullet would be impossible for the average person to make.
It'd be very, very difficult if society was totally crumbling.
ian crossland
I hope Fallout makes bullets the currency instead of caps.
Because bottle caps...
hotep jesus
That's not...
ian crossland
Bullets, you carry so many anyway in the game, it'd be a great currency to use.
tim pool
The funny thing about Fallout is that bullets are still around after hundreds of years.
ian crossland
Yeah, you find bullets...
No, no, no.
They'd be so rare.
Like a bullet...
tim pool
That's Book of Eli.
You ever seen Book of Eli?
hotep jesus
No.
tim pool
So it's post-apocalyptic, and he's got a shotgun, and the guy's like, what's that?
They're never loaded anyway.
Because there's no bullet, but he does have bullet.
ian crossland
Shotguns would probably be the most popular weapon.
Blunderbusses, things you can just stick in there, get some explosive rocks and stuff at short range.
tim pool
If we're talking about a post-society collapse, Ian's right, blunderbuss.
phil labonte
Boomsticks.
tim pool
Because they'll just pack it and they'll jam rocks and garbage in it and then blast you with whatever's lying on the ground.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you can get close enough to the deer.
tim pool
It's going to be, look.
ian crossland
Water, too.
tim pool
Making black powder with, like, bat crap and other things like this, your average person can find a book in an old library and that knowledge will persist.
It'll probably become fairly common and there will be small groups that try to make black powder.
In that case, it's going to be makeshift blunderbuss.
phil labonte
If you're talking about blunderbuss or makeshift stuff, yeah, that's fine.
But to go through the amount of ammo that is currently saved up in random dudes' basements, I mean, there's a lot of ammo out there.
I have a lot of ammo here in West Virginia.
That's not talking about how much ammo I have in New Hampshire.
And there's a lot of dudes like me.
So ammo will have value, and maybe people will use it for currency.
That's completely realistic.
But I think that you would see the lights come back on unless there's a massive die-off of people that are competent.
tim pool
So that's why I said if the power goes out, gold is fine.
Because so long as the standard culture exists, people will feel there's value between these things.
We're talking about total social collapse, then people are going to be making makeshift things with rocks, dirt, and shit crap.
phil labonte
Some, I do think there will be people that are going to do what they can if they don't have anything, but there's a lot of people.
hotep jesus
How long is the power out?
tim pool
What I'm saying is, if right now the power went out for several months, people are trading gold.
If the power goes off and we're in an economic crisis in World War III, and it's a year, people are trading gold, cash, and things of value.
hotep jesus
What if you don't have gold?
tim pool
You're trading something of value.
You're bartering, you're doing labor, silver, whatever it might be, but probably not silver.
The average person doesn't have these things.
What I'm saying, Phil, about people making blunderbusses, we're not talking about...
Modern power goes out and there's disorder and everyone's walking around.
Total social collapse is like a catastrophic nuclear bombs wipe out.
ian crossland
Like Fallout.
Goes down and breaks off PVC pipe out of his basement and sticks in some whatever explosive.
tim pool
PVC wouldn't work.
But one thing Fallout does get right is the...
ian crossland
Enough duct tape, it might.
tim pool
In the newer Fallout games, you get the...
What are they called?
They're the makeshift...
ian crossland
Oh yeah, pipe rifles.
tim pool
Yeah, pipe rifles.
ian crossland
Metal pipes.
tim pool
Yeah, they're really crappy, but people just understand the general concept.
ian crossland
Nails.
tim pool
Total social collapse.
We're talking about Fallout 200 years from now.
Everything's going to be wiped out.
You're not going to find ammo lying around.
There may be caches underground that people have lost, and maybe you'll find powerful, wealthy people at that time, if you can define it as wealthy, will probably be wealthy because they have found access to these things.
The average person is probably going to have blunderbusses, and they jam garbage in it.
ian crossland
With Trump, talking about whether or not he's...
I'm kind of with you.
I don't think he was subvertedly put into power to empower the deep state.
I think it was just kind of like things are a mess and he's the most popular guy.
But I am concerned that he...
Not too concerned that he could be twisted into doing horrible evil.
I don't think so.
I think he's kind of shown us that he's not doing that.
Some of the things that concern me, though, like the photo op with the McDonald's on the airplane.
Did you guys see that?
Maybe brought it up.
And it's RFK. He's got RFK. He's forcing him to hold McDonald's.
tim pool
No, he's not.
He's having a burger.
ian crossland
McDonald's burger?
tim pool
RFK Jr.
tweeted about how he can't wait to eat McDonald's when they bring back tallow.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
He's never been like, McDonald's should be banned and no one should ever eat it.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
These are hoaxes.
ian crossland
No, no, I don't think he said that.
tim pool
No one forced RFK Jr.
to eat a cheeseburger.
ian crossland
I think Trump was like, here, hold this.
And he's like, no, I doubt it.
tim pool
They probably said, hey, we got McDonald's on the plane.
He was like, okay, great.
hotep jesus
But can you say make America healthy again and have McDonald's?
ian crossland
Yes!
tim pool
Absolutely!
You're allowed to have a cheeseburger now and then.
phil labonte
That's the thing.
He's not saying to eat it every day.
And I'm sure he doesn't eat it every day.
But in all things moderation.
ian crossland
Well, not all things.
Some things don't ever do.
tim pool
What?
phil labonte
Okay.
ian crossland
There's some things.
phil labonte
Don't ever do that.
Yes, don't drink poison.
Okay, fine.
Don't eat uranium.
ian crossland
Fine.
I would say Lactar heroin.
phil labonte
Yes, okay, fine.
tim pool
Stay away!
phil labonte
Fine, fine.
Okay, let's just focus on...
tim pool
You gotta get me in that one.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's true.
Don't shoot yourself in the face.
But the point is like...
It's okay if you have a cheeseburger or if you have a McDonald's once in a while.
If you have it like once a month, that's fine.
If you have people that like to...
I don't drink really, but even though I don't drink, I had a champagne on election night and I had a cigar the night after and I haven't smoked cigarettes.
I don't smoke cigarettes anymore and I quit smoking cigarettes in 2019.
You can do things that are not particularly great if you're doing them in moderation.
ian crossland
I'll say, RFK, his face, he didn't look happy.
He wasn't taking a bite.
It was after coming out and saying, we're going to make everybody healthy, and then a week later, it's a picture of him with McDonald's.
It kind of feels like Trump was flexing on him.
He's like, I'm your boss.
phil labonte
That was not the Mitt Romney picture.
The Mitt Romney picture that you may be thinking of...
Do you remember the Mitt Romney?
So after the election, Donald Trump had dinner with Mitt Romney and after Donald Trump said some terrible things about Mitt Romney and Mitt Romney was looking back at the camera like...
tim pool
Okay.
phil labonte
Like, very sheepish.
tim pool
Here's an article from BuzzFeed.
The reactions to this picture of RFK Jr.
eating McDonald's on a plane are hilarious.
Let me pull up the image first.
And everyone's claiming that this is hypocrisy.
He wants to make America healthy, but he's eating McDonald's.
He's opening up a burger.
It looks like he might have some chicken nuggets or something right there.
Look at that.
He has a Coca-Cola with high fructose corn syrup.
Look what people are saying.
Help.
A lot of people made the joke where they were like, RFK, no!
No!
So, I say this, okay?
There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about RFK Jr.
having McDonald's, and I also don't think his face is being like, help, he's sitting, I'll tell you this, they sat down there on the plane, they said, guys, we got McDonald's, and he went, oh great, I'll take a Big Mac, and then they put the Big Mac down, and they go, hey everybody, look, and then he takes the burger and he looks up, take a picture of his face, and now everyone's claiming they know exactly what he's thinking, he's a hypocrite.
The dude probably ate the cheeseburger and said, it was great.
ian crossland
I don't even think he ate it.
I bet he just posed with it because Trump asked him to.
Bro, he ate the burger.
Well, he said that flying on Air Force, I was just reading this earlier, that flying with Trump is like you're only able to eat poison.
There's just crap, terrible food on the airplane.
He's made that statement publicly.
tim pool
He said that.
ian crossland
Is that true?
Yeah, I was just reading that earlier today.
Maybe you can pull up the word flying with Trump, toxic, poison, stuff like that, and you'll find out.
unidentified
I wonder where I was reading that, and maybe I could have posted that.
tim pool
Economic Times, perhaps.
Let me pull this up.
I don't know what this is.
After saying Donald Trump eats food that is practically poison, RFK Jr.
photographed on President-elect plane enjoying McDonald's and Coca-Cola.
See, I still reject that hypocrisy.
Like, you're allowed to say, guys, exercise, eat right.
And if I catch you eating a bowl of ice cream, I'm not going to be like...
ian crossland
But no, no, I don't think so.
tim pool
Locust, beam, gum, hydrogenated, whatever?
ian crossland
Yeah, that stuff is like a five-year half-life.
It takes forever to get out of your system.
unidentified
Half-life?
ian crossland
Just to get half of it out of your body is like two and a half years.
phil labonte
No, that's not what a half-life...
First of all, that's not what a half-life is.
ian crossland
Half-life's a nuclear term of radioactive decay, but it takes about five years for that stuff to get out of your system.
phil labonte
I don't think that's true.
ian crossland
That's what I've been told by Kate Shanahan, the doctor, and she's written a book called Dark...
Dark Calories, I interviewed her on YouTube.
Kate Shanahan, she's like a leading pioneer on the science of sea oils.
tim pool
No, dude, I think you're confusing.
The story was that McDonald's doesn't rot for five or six years.
ian crossland
Well, this is just Kate Shanahan's evidence on vegetable oils in general, that they take about five years to get out of your system.
tim pool
I agree McDonald's is bad.
The point is...
RFK Jr.
having a burger one time is not a big deal.
I avoid tons of garbage.
Guess what?
Guys, I have a confession to make.
Ian, I'm sorry.
I had chocolate fondue on Sunday.
ian crossland
Oh, what kind of chocolate?
tim pool
Oh, no!
We went to Melting Pot.
And so we did the cheese, you did the cheese fondue, and then you do, so they give you, we had two things full of different cheese.
We had a Swiss cheese, and then we had a cheddar cheese with garlic.
It was amazing.
Then they bring out vegetables and meats, and I was dipping prosciutto in cheddar.
It was amazing.
And then for dessert, I had chocolate sauce on strawberries.
ian crossland
You can handle a bit of sugar.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
It's just addictive.
That's the thing.
tim pool
If someone saw me eating chocolate dipped strawberries, they'd be like, I thought he was doing keto.
And I'm like, dude, I had a handful of strawberries one time.
ian crossland
If you allow the addiction to take over and now the next day you're craving it and the next day you're eating it, that's a big problem.
Right.
tim pool
Having a burger is no big deal.
ian crossland
Well, first, he's not actually eating it, so I don't know if he ate it or not.
phil labonte
He ate it.
ian crossland
But secondly, I think what's happening, this is my theory, is that Trump wants to literally make McDonald's healthier.
He wants to make McDonald's more popular and then get them profitable so that they can start using beef tallow and healthier ingredients again.
phil labonte
The beef tallow isn't coming...
I don't think the beef tallow's coming back, and the reason I don't think it's coming back is because of Hindus.
ian crossland
That's such a small segment of reality, though.
phil labonte
No, it's not.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
There's a billion and a half Indians in India, dude!
tim pool
Yeah, but it doesn't matter because the issue right now for the market...
There is a much bigger vegan market than there is an anti-seed oil market.
So McDonald's is thinking, if we use vegetable oils for our fries, we're not going to bother the vegans, the vegetarians, or the Hindus.
So we're better off doing that because no one else complains about vegetable oil.
ian crossland
You could use olive oil.
It's expensive.
unidentified
Olive oil.
ian crossland
Coconut oil.
tim pool
Bro, there's no way they're boiling fries in olive oil.
ian crossland
I wish you would.
But like beef towel, like lard, that's like the next avocado oil, coconut oil.
tim pool
Hotback Steakhouse.
ian crossland
Yeah, they do beef tallow?
tim pool
Beef tallow.
ian crossland
So they could do beef tallow.
They could do at least an option.
hotep jesus
I have another question.
What are the ramifications of mixing starch with beef?
tim pool
I don't know.
phil labonte
I don't know.
ian crossland
Like, what's an example?
tim pool
That's what they do?
hotep jesus
Like, when you digest it together, do you know if that's positive or negative to your health?
ian crossland
My personal experience is sugar and meat is a bad combo.
hotep jesus
I... So the concept of a burger itself...
ian crossland
Like bread, which breaks down into sugar, and then mixes...
It might be a problem, but that's only anecdotal.
hotep jesus
It doesn't even matter what burger you get.
tim pool
I just stay away from the carbs.
ian crossland
I do meat by itself.
tim pool
Lettuce wrap.
That's how you do it.
ian crossland
Or vegetable with it.
hotep jesus
That's how you're technically supposed to have your beef.
So you can argue of whether it's a McDonald's burger or another type of burger, but technically you're not supposed to mix carbs with beef.
tim pool
Is that like a dietician thing or what?
hotep jesus
It's a biological thing.
tim pool
I don't eat sugar!
I just generally stay away from it and I feel substantially better.
So, you know, I did keto for a couple years.
I felt great.
Got a personal trainer and said, just tell me what to eat and I'll eat it.
Let's see how it goes.
Did not enjoy it.
It was ups and downs.
It's like, I come in the morning, I record two segments, and I'm about to pass out.
And I'm like, gotta go eat lunch.
So I asked Chet GPT, I'm like, make me a diet plan.
And it told me to eat like every hour and a half or two hours.
So then I'd make like a peanut, butter, banana thing for a snack.
Then I'd be like, okay, let's go record.
Then after a couple of segments, I'm like, I'm so tired, man.
Oh, I'm drained.
Gotta go eat more food.
And I'm like, this is awful.
Now, I have two eggs, goat cheese, cheddar, avocado.
That's it.
With a protein shake.
No sugar.
It's probably like five carbs maybe for breakfast.
And I have energy until 5pm.
ian crossland
What do you do with your protein shake?
What's the liquid you use?
tim pool
Coconut milk.
ian crossland
Oh, awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, and it's got like six carbs in it.
That's where the carbs come from.
ian crossland
So a little bit of sugar?
tim pool
Well, it's because coconuts have it.
I do coconut water.
ian crossland
There's sugar in that.
There's like seven grams of sugar.
tim pool
Yeah, the coconut milk is much less...
For whatever reason, whatever I get is much less.
And then I do half and half.
ian crossland
You do need a little bit of sugar in your diet.
tim pool
A little half and half is what makes it.
ian crossland
Half and half?
tim pool
Yeah, you need the fat because protein shake without fat is just...
ian crossland
Isn't that half and half weird additives though?
tim pool
No, I get the good stuff.
No, but I'm RFK Jr.
Maha all the way, dude, because I was saying this.
I go to the grocery store, and Allison's like, I want to get some cottage cheese.
And she grabs one, puts it in the cart.
I look at it, and I'm like, look at the ingredients.
It's got like Carrageen gum or like whatever that stuff is.
I'm like, why is this in the cottage cheese?
We put it back.
We grab Daisy ingredients.
It's like cultured cream, skim milk, salt.
And I'm like, done.
There you go.
unidentified
Food.
ian crossland
I heard you talk about elimination diets last night, I think it was.
You were spot on, in my opinion.
It's not about what you're adding, what you're putting in.
It's not about the meat, like the carnivore diet, they say.
I'm only doing meat.
I'm only doing meat.
It's so great.
It's about all that other stuff that's not in your diet anymore that you've eradicated, the yellow five or whatever the hell.
hotep jesus
If you're RFK, how do you make America healthy again?
What do you do?
tim pool
Oh man, I'm so excited.
hotep jesus
What do you do?
What's the first thing you do?
Do you eliminate things?
Do you add things?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
So first of all, all dyes, I think the first thing you can do is you can probably just ban the dyes and be like artificial dyes and coal tar derivatives we don't put in our food.
If he doesn't want to go that hard that fast, he can say...
He can require, I guess through the FDA, he can require food labeling to be the name of the product, not some marketing brand, Red 40.
No, no, no, call it what it is.
Yellow 5 Tartrazine.
Put that on that and tell your kids you're feeding that to them.
phil labonte
I don't know how this would go because this would be something that the Department of Agriculture has something to do with as well.
But I imagine if you could get rid of corn subsidies so that way it was actually more beneficial to put in real cane sugar as opposed to high fructose corn syrup.
The reason that everything is made with high fructose corn syrup is because corn subsidies.
The government pays farmers to grow corn.
I'm not sure why.
I don't know the whole reason, but I know that it makes it cheaper to use high fructose corn syrup than to use regular cane sugar.
So if you get rid of those...
tim pool
You don't even need cane sugar.
And that's the crazy thing.
phil labonte
Yeah, nowadays.
tim pool
You know, we've got cultural problems.
I drink here a delicious Spindrift.
This is raspberry lime.
And the ingredients, carbonated water, raspberry puree, lime juice has one carb in it.
Yeah, from the raspberry probably.
And everybody loves these.
We drink them all the time.
Why drink 45-carbohydrate Coca-Cola with weird acid chemical garbage in it?
I just don't understand.
It is true that millennials have been leading the charge of not drinking soda.
So soda companies have been collapsing.
And now that they ran these commercials a few months ago where it was like a guy wearing a Dr.
Pepper thing, and he's like, did you know that we offer sugar-free options?
And then it was like a Soda Coalition advertisement being like, please drink our disgusting chemical juice.
And I'm just like, nah.
I will drink water.
phil labonte
Nowadays, there's options.
There's a stevia leaf extract, and this stuff, this core power, this has got only five grams of sugar.
tim pool
Yeah, we get these.
phil labonte
And they're delicious.
It's five grams of sugar, and it's...
unidentified
But.
What?
tim pool
But.
Let me read the ingredients.
Filtered low-grade A milk.
Alkalized cocoa powder.
So far, so good.
Natural flavors.
Okay, whatever.
Monk fruit juice concentrate.
Totally fine with that.
ian crossland
Monk fruit.
tim pool
Stevia leaf extract.
Eh, but it's okay.
Carrageenan?
Is that how you pronounce it?
ian crossland
It's a thickening agent.
tim pool
Cellulose gel.
Cellulose gum.
gum maltodextrin acetylame potassium sucralose lactase enzyme vitamin a palminate vitamin d3 okay so let's talk about acetylame potassium fake sweetener not interested Sucralose, that's Splenda.
That's a sugar molecule bonded to chlorine, not interested.
So there was a study that came out recently that said colon cancer...
The reason why tons of young healthy athletes are getting colon cancer is because of emulsifiers, which is the cellulose garbage and the gum that they put in our drinks.
The reason they put the gum in it is because people like things to feel thick and creamy because they like cream.
So instead of putting fat in your food, they put gum in your food to make it thick.
And I find that disgusting, and I don't want to eat it.
ian crossland
I do peanut butter powder.
Man, that thickens up my coffee.
tim pool
There you go.
ian crossland
It's like a milkshake.
Shout out to Jack Posobiec for turning on a peanut butter powder.
tim pool
That's a good idea.
ian crossland
Oh, it's so good, dude.
tim pool
Peanut butter powder?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Just powdered peanut butter in a big canister.
PB, I think, is the company that I use.
And coconut water makes it sweet.
tim pool
It's a good idea.
ian crossland
Oh, it's delicious.
tim pool
I can't stand, no matter where we end up going, we go to any convenience store, any gas station, whatever, we want to get some of the drink, it's all garbage.
ian crossland
I guess the band hammer, if RFK is really going to make things, it's like you can't have that thing anymore, because that's the elimination diet at the global scale.
But it's going to affect the petroleum industry, for instance, like Red 5 Lake or Red 40 Lake and Yellow 5 Lake.
They used to be Yellow 5.
Now it's Yellow 5 Lake.
I think they used to be derived from coal tar.
Now they're derived from petroleum.
Could be wrong about that.
So that would technically affect the bottom line of the petroleum industry, which you know is a challenge.
The oil industry is very influential and powerful.
phil labonte
Sucralose has over 100 safety studies representing over 20 years, and it says that it's safe, and it says that the body doesn't...
It says what happens to sucralose after consumption, about 85% is not absorbed.
tim pool
Do you know what sucralose is?
phil labonte
Yeah, I know.
Do you know how it was invented?
I don't know how it was invented, but...
tim pool
Yeah, we're trying to create a pesticide.
phil labonte
But the point is, it's saying that it doesn't...
If your body doesn't absorb it, and it's saying that...
tim pool
And drink monk fruit.
phil labonte
Well, this has monk fruit juice in it.
tim pool
That's right.
So what I can't stand is they're putting this lab-made fake sugar in the drink and then telling you it's safe, and I'm just like, I'd rather just not have that.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, that's fine.
I'm not telling you that you should, but the point that I'm saying is, I don't think that just because something was manufactured doesn't mean that it's automatically bad for you.
That's true.
So it's like, I understand that you want to be concerned about what you're taking in.
tim pool
Here's the story about sucralose.
They were trying to make a pesticide when Fondus, the discoverer, a researcher at Queen Elizabeth College...
ian crossland
Hold this up on the screen while you're talking.
tim pool
It's just text.
It's in the air.
He was told to test the chlorinated sugar compound, but he misheard the advisor's instruction as, taste it.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
tim pool
So he took the pesticide he had made and tasted it and said, tastes good.
And the original idea was, hey, if we bond chlorine to glucose, the insects will go and eat it and then die.
And then they were like, hey, this is kind of sweet.
And they started running tests on it and they were like, the body doesn't absorb it.
So let's market it and sell it to people and put it in all our food because it's safe.
Look, look up Gellon gum.
They'll tell you that's fine, too.
I don't want lab-made chemicals in my food.
I'm just done with this.
There's something weird about America.
phil labonte
No one's saying that you have to have it.
tim pool
That's why I don't drink that stuff anymore.
phil labonte
That's fine.
tim pool
And this is the point of what RFK Jr.
is saying.
What is it?
Butylated hydroxatoluene in our breakfast cereals?
phil labonte
Why?
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
We don't need that garbage.
We're trying to maximize profits.
ian crossland
I'm reading about sucralose.
It doesn't get absorbed, but it may cause free radical damage.
So as it passes through your system, it takes electrons away from things or gives them to things.
phil labonte
You're saying, like I said, you're saying it may.
ian crossland
But like I said, hydroxyl radical.
phil labonte
Like I said, right now, there's 100 studies that say that it's safe.
Again, I just don't think that it's a good idea to get wrapped up in something that I'm unfamiliar with or it was made in the lab, so we have to reject it out of hand.
tim pool
I am very familiar with sucralose and have been for decades, and that's why I have always avoided it.
So the issue I take is that—well, I'll put it like this.
I hear this from everyone who travels the world.
When I'm in Europe and I eat food, I lose weight.
When I come to America, I eat the same food, I gain crazy amounts of weight.
I've heard that from everybody.
People from Mexico, Puerto Rico, France, whatever.
They're like, man, I was in Korea for a few months and I just lost tons of weight.
And then I came back to America, I'm eating the same things and I'm just gaining weight like crazy.
And I'm like, yeah.
How about this?
It's actually simple.
Instead of trying to figure out how safe sucralose or butylated hydroxy toluene is, we just don't eat lab-made chemicals that don't need to be in food.
And look, I get it.
Maybe some people can't afford to not eat these things, but I go to the grocery store.
If I'm broke, buy tortillas, ingredients, corn, salt, whatever, and vegetables, and I'll eat that if I have to.
phil labonte
I get what you're saying, but my point is that people get wrapped up in names or titles and stuff.
Everyone loves to say, oh, well, this is all natural.
Well, lead's all natural, and I'm not eating lead.
And just because lead is natural doesn't mean it's good for you.
hotep jesus
It's a marketing term.
phil labonte
Yeah, so the idea that just because it's made or it's all natural or it's found in nature or whatever, these kind of ideas...
Actually mislead people.
ian crossland
Genetically modified as well.
phil labonte
Everything's genetically modified.
ian crossland
Oranges are genetically modified.
unidentified
They're lemons.
ian crossland
They're crossbreed from lemons.
phil labonte
If you look at modern bananas compared to what bananas were like 500 or 1000 years ago, they're a totally different thing.
There's selection for the most abundant producing vegetables or whatever.
That's genetically modified as well.
tim pool
Here's Google search.
That's the free radical stuff.
Cooking with sucralose at high temperatures can produce chloropropanols, which are a potentially toxic class of compounds.
hotep jesus
RFK, I'm going to help you out.
I'm going to tell you how to make America healthy again.
Are you ready?
Sit down, RFK. I'm going to teach you right now.
Do you remember the Got Milk campaign?
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
And that went all across America?
Okay, so let's put that aside.
We're going to come back to that point.
What you got to do is you got to make America sexy again.
I'm going to say it one more time.
tim pool
Bring sexy back, huh?
hotep jesus
You got to bring sexy back.
If you show healthy individuals...
I wouldn't eliminate anything from the diet because there could be economic ramifications of all of that.
Let's not mess up the economy any more than we already have.
Let's let whatever's going to happen in the economy happen gradually because you don't want any abrupt changes.
What you want to do is you want to go to Netflix and be like, yo, you put a fat person in this movie, we're locking you up.
No more fat people.
phil labonte
Well, that's something that we talk about on PCC, on Pop Culture Crisis a lot, is advertisements.
People should be aspirational.
To put fat people as models and stuff like that, that's not a good thing.
You should be putting people in positions, people that you want to look like in positions for models and stuff like that.
tim pool
We've got to go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, share the show if you like it, and if you are watching, become a member over at TimCast.com.
So go to TimCast.com right now, click Join Us, get involved in the Discord server.
There's a lot of people that hang out.
We've got meetups, pre-shows, after-shows, but you get access to the uncensored members-only show, and it's going to be pretty brutal tonight.
Because Nancy Mace's life was threatened, and I think, you know, we want to talk about it, but considering it is so serious, I think this one's going to have to be uncensored so we can get to the nitty-gritty of, you'll hear, like, so we can talk about, like, the threats are public and online.
It's crazy stuff.
She's apparently reported to the sergeant-at-arms.
Hopefully there's some action taken against this person threatening to assassinate a sitting member of Congress, but we'll talk about that in the members' show.
For now, we'll grab your Super Chats.
All right.
Hal Gailey says first.
Indeed, you win.
Scooby Dragon says second.
Yes.
And Polypure with third.
Wow, you guys coordinate this?
All right.
Jacob Paradis says, Hey guys, please consider supporting my niece's business on Public Square.
It's called Narbar's Candles.
She uses a coconut-based wax instead of paraffin or soy.
Remember, Christmas is coming up.
That's a good point.
Christmas is coming up.
We gotta get gifts.
James Thompson says, Tim, please tell me you saw Jenks' takedown of Alan Lickman on Piers Morgan.
Even Harry Sisson was laughing at him.
I know!
It was so good!
Dude...
If Lichtman owned up to it and was just like, I think I was fed incorrect information and I think I was wrong about this, we'd all be saying like, yeah, man, the fake news is terrible, isn't it?
Instead, he keeps doubling down.
No, I wasn't wrong.
It's everyone else who's wrong.
That's cringe.
The deplorable Mrs.
Drake says, if Matt Walsh joined The View like he offered, I'd watch it every day, just saying there are ways they can save themselves.
The View.
But it would be hilarious if Matt was there.
Oh, what do we got here?
The deplorable Mr.
Drake also says Trump has had 999 days to think about Russia and Ukraine.
I feel confident in a plan A, B, and C. Putin is probably also impatiently waiting for Trump.
Hear, hear.
Jason Dixon says, Tim, without your leadership, I have no interest in Infowars or TMG. Never was part of my interest.
I make companies profitable.
It's my genius.
Did you guys see that Infowars, the bid from Onion, was $1.75 million for Infowars?
hotep jesus
Oh, that was a real bid?
tim pool
So, according to NBC News, there's a company that put in a bid for $3.5 million, and they're contesting it because they claim Onion only offered $1.75 million, but colluded with the families.
That's what their claim is.
When I found out it was that low, I thought the bids were going to be way higher than that.
That's mad low.
That's mad low.
phil labonte
They should be way higher than that.
tim pool
Yeah.
hotep jesus
You know why they're that low?
phil labonte
Because they think they can get away with it.
hotep jesus
No, because that's what it's going to be worth after they buy.
tim pool
No, it'll be worth it after Alex Jones is gone.
hotep jesus
It'll be worth $30,000 after Alex Jones is gone.
tim pool
Exactly.
They're estimating the hard assets are like $2.6 million.
And so basically, according to the story, The Onion said we'll pay $1.75 million, went to the family and said give us a waiver.
And then we'll sell off all the hard assets and give you the money.
And they said, okay.
And apparently the judge is like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hold on.
What do you mean?
Like, how are you getting a waiver for cash if there's a higher bid?
There's a higher bid.
hotep jesus
Right.
tim pool
You know, it doesn't make sense.
ian crossland
Has a higher bid come out?
tim pool
According to this company, it's F-U-A-C, whatever it stands for, they put in a bid of $3.5 million to buy Infowars.
And then The Onion said $1.75, but we'll give you some of the stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah, not the highest bid, but the best bid was the quote from the judge.
hotep jesus
Right.
ian crossland
Or the guy.
hotep jesus
What's the name of the company?
F-U-C-K. What'd you say?
unidentified
F-U-A-C. Yeah.
tim pool
Let's go!
RWBY says YouTubers Amala Ekpenobi and Candace Owens have had PIs for Diddy show up at their homes asking about possible payouts.
Be safe, everyone.
I saw those videos.
I saw Amala talking about it.
Did you hear this?
hotep jesus
No.
tim pool
What happened?
Private investigators came to her house and they were asking her if she was getting paid to say bad things about Diddy.
And then, I don't know, I heard that they were offering to pay a counter for the opposite.
Like, they're trying to pay people to say Diddy's okay or whatever.
Do you think Diddy went to a company and said, get influencers to say good things about me?
ian crossland
Maybe somebody did.
tim pool
Yeah.
hotep jesus
I mean, all he's got to do is tell his people, look, do everything within your power to get me out of here.
And then, you know, people start to get creative.
You know, maybe it's attorney team, connections, etc., etc.
Yeah, it might not be direct from Diddy.
I don't know if he can get that creative.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Death from afar says, Tim, what would happen to the legal migrants that are actually in the state legally?
And yet the Democrats literally made a bad name to the people reside before the border existed.
What do you mean?
Like, if someone's here legally, we got no beef.
And I'm pro-asylum.
I'm pro-immigration.
I'm just pro-legal asylum and immigration.
Yeah.
So, like, if an immigrant comes to this country and they knock on the door and say, I'd like to come here because, you know, life is better, and they say, you have felt this form and we'll let you know, I'm like, that's wonderful.
We like that.
We do it legally to make sure that everything is running smoothly and we don't disrupt the lives of the American people and the economy can expand.
But the Democrats are like, open up the border and decriminalize it.
They literally raised their hand saying they would open the border and decriminalize it in 2019.
phil labonte
Yeah, they were chanting, you know, the chants like, no border, no wall, no USA at all, because they believe that there should be countries.
tim pool
They had, when I was in San Jose, and I think it was 2015 or 16, the protesters had a sign saying, make California Mexico again.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, like, that's a common leftist thing.
And they were beating people.
And I go to work and I'm like, a bunch of Bernie supporters were beating people.
And they were like, how do you know they were Bernie supporters?
And I was like, because they were wearing shirts that Bernie Sanders on.
I'm like, what do you think is happening?
They're running around beating people.
They went to Trump rallies.
I filmed a video.
Some guy smacked a Trump supporter in the back of the head with a bag of rocks.
And he's bleeding.
And I was like, holy crap, dude.
These people are nuts.
Alright, let's grab some more.
What have we here?
Mike Smith says, I can't tell if Tim is making fun of Micah or not.
Either way, it's funny.
I don't know what I said about it.
What did I say?
phil labonte
You're probably making one of her.
tim pool
Probably.
ian crossland
My take on those guys is, she just does whatever Joe says, basically.
That's just their relationship.
She's his wife and his co-host, and just does whatever he wants.
phil labonte
I kind of feel like Joe did whatever Mika said.
ian crossland
That'd be funny if it was that way.
tim pool
She goes grocery shopping for him.
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, because he was like, butter's $3, and she's like, it's $7.
ian crossland
Oh, that's funny.
tim pool
That was a funny story.
ian crossland
He's like, we're going to Trump's house.
She's like, okay.
We support Trump now.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yep.
I don't know.
I think he was probably more terrified than that.
He was probably like, do you think Trump's going to come and get us?
She's like, I don't know.
Let's go apologize to him now before it's too late.
He's not president yet.
Anyway, Mizamori says, Hey Tim, you should call out the Cast Brew pods.
There are still about 1,200 Mr.
Bocas pumpkin spice experience left.
Ah, interesting.
Mr.
Bocas was retired.
There now exist only bags for those who had already subscribed and are members of the Cast Brew Coffee Club.
So you can't directly buy them because we're retiring because Mr.
Bocas died and we're going to create an espresso blend in honor of Mr.
Bocas.
And then we have a cool idea for Seamus.
The cat, not the cartoonist.
And we're going to create like a four-part arc.
And I want the bags to be like the...
You know, at first, Seamus...
He's a cat, by the way.
It's like he's a knight fighting against a horde of zombies or whatever.
Then the next one is him compiling a group of a ragtag band to take back the lost city from the zombies.
The next one is him fortifying the city.
And then the very last one is the new king, and it's Seamus.
ian crossland
You should make the first one him a prisoner, because that's you guys imprisoning him for a week in the garage.
And he's like...
tim pool
And the next one is, he breaks free from prison and becomes a rogue bandit hero.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Then he rises up to free the townspeople with a ragtag bunch, and then finally he becomes the new king.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Seamus the cat.
ian crossland
Oh, and Casper, so can people pre-order?
I know it's on Backlog, the Graphene Dream.
We should set up a pre-order thing.
I know it's still a couple months out, but...
tim pool
So we sold out too quick.
ian crossland
Yeah, people love that stuff, man.
Low acidity.
Get it in ya.
tim pool
People like it.
All right, Jacob Hawley says, where do Dems go from here?
Left shift, right shift, break apart, merge into the GOP? Also, welcome back, Ian.
Love you, man.
And since Phil is here also, they are forcing me to ask you to run for office again.
phil labonte
I am not running for anything ever.
tim pool
I'm running from office.
ian crossland
You might just have to be appointed.
phil labonte
I will say the N-word on Maine.
unidentified
LAUGHTER That's exactly right.
phil labonte
You are prohibited from holding office if you do that.
tim pool
All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.
Thomas TJG says, do you think the Deep State can be declared a crime organization and catch anyone on RICO charges?
I hope so.
ian crossland
I don't know if it's organized enough, personally.
unidentified
Not just RICO. Individually, people?
tim pool
No, their communications exist.
They can't get rid of it.
They can try.
Let's grab some more Super Chat.
Cristiano says, Alan Lichtman accused Jank of blaspheming his name on Pierce's show today.
Very humble, this fella.
Yes.
He said, you've blasphemed me.
And Jank was like, what?
phil labonte
Are you Jesus Christ?
tim pool
What do you mean I blasphemed you?
That's funny because it's one of the first times in a long time I've seen a video of Jank where I'm cheering him on.
Like, it was funny.
ian crossland
That was good.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
What do we got in here?
Katrina Miles says, please do not forget that Democrats threw RFK Jr.
out of the primary and would not even debate him.
Ben tried getting him kicked off ballots.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
That's wild.
tim pool
I hope you enjoyed that Big Mac.
The last time I had McDonald's, I think, was a year ago.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was a couple years.
I just ate the patty.
I ordered it when I was shooting.
And it was so salty.
The patty was so salty.
tim pool
I know, it's nasty.
So, when I got off keto and I was having carbs, I did not enjoy it.
But so I was like, I haven't had McDonald's in like six, seven years.
Just don't eat it.
And so, you know, Allison likes getting McDonald's sometimes for the fries.
And I was like, let's get a burger.
I haven't had one in a long time.
And I was like, this is unenjoyable.
And it made me...
So here's what happened.
I ate it, and I was still hungry, but there was something in my stomach, so I felt bad.
ian crossland
Oh, and it takes days to get rid of it?
hotep jesus
No.
ian crossland
Sometimes I'll be there for like two days.
I'll be like, God, I'm still...
hotep jesus
Half-life is five and a half lifetimes.
unidentified
Oh.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just...
tim pool
That's another thing, too.
It's like...
hotep jesus
I remember back in the day, my favorite snack was Cheez-Its.
I remember back in the day, you could take a Cheez-It and put it outside, and the ants would be there in 10 seconds.
If you take a Cheez-It and put it outside right now, it'll sit there all day.
The ants don't even eat it.
tim pool
Yikes.
hotep jesus
That scared me, man.
tim pool
I'll tell you what I eat now.
We got eggs straight from the chicken's butt.
That's what I... Yeah, it's great.
Chicken City eggs, man.
hotep jesus
You know, chickens are going to be a form of money, too, in the apocalypse.
Chickens are...
ian crossland
Livestock always was, man.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
tim pool
As long as you can keep the chickens fed, you got eggs every day.
And so I tell you this.
I will not eat the bugs.
I will not live in the pod.
hotep jesus
But the bugs are so nutritious.
tim pool
The chickens will eat the bugs.
And the chickens will live in the pods.
And I will take the ads from the chickens.
hotep jesus
I think that's the side up, man.
To make y'all not want to eat the bugs.
The bugs are nutritious.
tim pool
Yeah, but I got no problem with eating bugs.
I have a problem with being forced to eat bugs.
hotep jesus
Yeah, that's definitely an issue.
tim pool
There's a lot of people like, I won't eat bugs.
You know, I'll never do it.
And I'm like, Ian and I made a cricket bread.
It was gross.
ian crossland
Yeah, it didn't really leave in properly.
It didn't rise.
tim pool
It was dense, but it's bitter.
Yeah, right.
It was okay, but it's like a bitter bread.
And you're like, I'm not gonna eat if I don't have to.
But...
Look, I think any real man who wants to, like, go out in the woods and survive, and I'm not saying I'm a survivalist, I'm saying, you gotta recognize that if you're gonna survive and you gotta do what it takes, you're gonna eat bugs.
That being said, for the time being, I got chickens.
And what I'll do, the chickens will eat the bugs.
We have probably 800,000 crickets in this building.
It's insane.
So we just bring the chicken in, the chicken will eat them all, lay a neck, I eat the egg.
Eggs taste good.
hotep jesus
But bugs are easy to cultivate.
tim pool
I know, then you have chickens eat them.
ian crossland
Yeah, I guess technically, like, crustaceans, like, lobster are bugs.
They're just big, tasty, salty bugs.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, they're delicious, too.
ian crossland
You soak your bugs in salt water, now you've got a delicious brine.
tim pool
Yeah, one of the shirts we wanted to make, we never did and we should, is a chicken saying, I will eat the bugs, I will live in the pot, and I will give you eggs.
ian crossland
Oh, the heroic chicken.
Yeah.
tim pool
That'll probably sell real well.
Alright, let's grab some more Super Chats.
What have we here?
That may be true.
ian crossland
I've rolled a lot, though.
tim pool
No, he says 12s.
hotep jesus
Oh, I loved your tweet the other night.
The other day, you said something about rolling a 6, but you said, no, I'll roll a 20.
I'm like, I get that reference.
ian crossland
I got a Chinese fortune out of a fortune cookie, and it said, if you never throw the dice, you'll never roll a 6.
And I just crossed it off and put 20.
I make my own fortune.
tim pool
I do think it's funny that at one point a couple years ago, Ian says on the show, you know, what I say is either completely wrong or really right.
So it's either like rolling a 1 or a 20.
And then everybody agreed.
They're like, that explains Ian very well.
ian crossland
It's like a perk in Fallout.
I have a higher chance of criticals, whether critical failure or critical.
Because I'm so intense when I make points.
tim pool
It's either just totally wrong or just like an epiphany.
ian crossland
Like, oh, wow.
I gotta be careful that I don't overdo it, because doing the wrong, critically wrong thing in a really high-important situation is very bad.
hotep jesus
I thought you rolled a 20 tonight, but that's just me.
ian crossland
I probably got at least one.
I felt like I got three at least.
hotep jesus
Yeah, at least, yeah.
tim pool
Ryan Sargent says McDonald's existed long before obesity was a problem.
Yeah, the current iteration of McDonald's ain't the same thing.
hotep jesus
It's not the same thing.
tim pool
Back in the day, it was like bread and meat.
Now, who knows what it is.
hotep jesus
You guys are talking about this whole beef tallow thing.
And I'm like, well, have you looked into the ingredients in the bread?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, dude.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
It's a potassium bromate.
That's the thing that's banned in Europe.
That's that leavening agent that's like in yoga mats, I think.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, a lot of people say that the problem is not bread.
It's the stuff in the bread.
Well, we ordered organic import flour from Europe, and I still got sick from eating it.
So, I don't eat bread.
ian crossland
Might be more.
They spray on it, too.
I don't know if they spray glyphosate to desiccate the wheat.
Maybe.
hotep jesus
Was it leavened or unleavened bread?
tim pool
The bread?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, I mean, we just got organic flour and then we made it ourselves.
hotep jesus
Because you're not supposed to have leaving bread.
tim pool
We didn't put anything in it.
We got organic imported French flour.
It was like ultra high grade.
It had some number on it.
And then we made it ourselves with only like fresh farm ingredients.
hotep jesus
Okay.
tim pool
Allison made a really great like Italian bread.
It tastes amazing.
And then everything feels inflamed.
I feel sick.
I get tired, cloudy.
I can't do it.
hotep jesus
No bleach in the flour?
tim pool
No.
unidentified
Nope.
ian crossland
I want to get into sourdough at some point.
You guys ever do that?
phil labonte
Sourdough's delicious.
tim pool
Ian used to make a bread every day and everyone loved it.
ian crossland
Yeah, but then I got away from bread.
tim pool
It's the bread man.
ian crossland
It's very fun to make.
It's easy, especially with a bread maker.
You can whip it up in about eight minutes and a couple hours later you got this delicious, fluffy, white, healthy, organic loaf that is like water.
It passes through you like water.
tim pool
All right.
Elgar Silverstar says, I stated in the Bible, because they believe not in the truth, I shall send them a strong delusion to believe it or lie.
They've rejected the truth, so they have to make up a fiction to accept what they think is reality.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Interesting.
All right.
What do we got here?
Grant E says, make the chemical warnings on our food look like the Surgeon General warnings on tobacco.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Ted Thorne says monk fruit extract has erythritol in it as a filler from some manufacturers.
Has been linked to serious health problems.
Look it up.
I despise erythritol.
I don't eat it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I used to.
tim pool
Sugar, alcohol, and it makes you sick.
Yeah, makes you sick.
ian crossland
A little maybe TMI, but...
tim pool
All of it is so disgusting.
So what we did was we have an ice cream maker.
You freeze this little cylinder bowl.
You put it in the machine.
The machine spins.
And then there's plastic that scrapes along the edge.
So we've got wine berries in the Maryland property.
They're not here at Fredamistan.
And this is an invasive Chinese raspberry, so you can't transport anything.
But they grow all over Maryland and parts of West Virginia.
They're delicious.
So in this time, we took a bunch.
We threw them into—we took milk and cream because you take milk, cream, and sugar to make ice cream.
And I was like, I'm not going to put sugar in it.
Who cares?
I'll put the berries in it.
Poured it in, it turned into ice cream, and it was delicious and did not need me to dump sugar in it.
And I'm just like, I wish I could go to the grocery store and they have zero sugar ice cream.
Just don't eat it.
Sweetened with natural fruit.
Just like cherries or something.
If they can do that.
hotep jesus
What'd you put in it?
tim pool
Wineberry.
hotep jesus
No, what else?
Other ingredients?
tim pool
It's milk, cream, and wineberry.
hotep jesus
Oh, milk's got sugar in it.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's not...
Exactly.
So it's like...
hotep jesus
So you got enough sugar right there.
You don't need extra sugar.
Yeah.
tim pool
Exactly.
hotep jesus
And then sweetener comes with the berries.
tim pool
Yeah.
Exactly.
And so it tasted great.
And I'm like, I don't need to dump extra sugar in it.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's not a lot of milk, but there's lactose in it.
ian crossland
It's kind of the value of fixing your diet in general.
Once you get over the hump of getting sugar out of your diet, almost 80%, 90%, other things start to get sweet.
Like carrots will be sweet.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
ian crossland
And then a raspberry, a blueberry, you're like, ooh, yeah, this is what I need.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Magnus Rex says, I saw a doctor speaking on, I think, Rogan, that Splenda, that's sucralose, and such changes your gut biome and actually makes you more likely to store fat.
I wonder if this is it.
The reason why people get fat eating American food, not other foods, is the chemicals kill your gut biome?
And so then your body is not absorbing nutrients properly.
ian crossland
It might be the free radical damage.
This is what vegetable oils do.
The free radical damage on the mitochondria causes the mitochondria to stop digesting fat for energy and start digesting sugar for energy out of your bloodstream.
And so not only are you not digesting your fat properly, you start to crave more sugar because you're losing sugar.
And that might be what's happening with sucralose.
tim pool
I'm going to make my own protein powder.
We've been working on this for a long time.
It's really hard to do because most distributors who make it, it's all Splenda.
We've hit a bunch of companies and we're like, we want to formulate our own protein powder and we're like, here you go.
And we're like, okay, well, we don't want that in it.
And they were like, it's Splenda or sugar.
And we're like...
Nothing.
ian crossland
What about Naked Whey?
Are you looking at them at all?
tim pool
That's great.
Yeah, straight up whey.
There's no flavor.
unidentified
And then you make your own.
tim pool
Right.
You just mix it in, you make your own.
And what do I need?
Some half and half, some coconut milk, and some Naked Whey?
And it's fine.
It just tastes like you're drinking milk.
But I like Jocko Mulk.
It uses Reb-M, which is like a fermented sugar.
And so I'm accepting of that for now.
Monk fruit extract, I think, is in it.
And it's the best protein powder I've ever had.
ian crossland
It's so good.
Shout out to Jocko Willink for making that.
tim pool
It's crazy how good it is.
ian crossland
I don't know how good it is for you.
I don't know.
I haven't looked at all the ingredients.
tim pool
It's better than everything else I've ever bought.
ian crossland
Man, it's good.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like four different kinds of it, too.
tim pool
I know.
unidentified
It's all good.
tim pool
It's great.
I can't even describe it.
It's like drinking a milkshake.
ian crossland
But because of all the ingredients, I just go naked away for the most part.
I should look into the DiGiaco stuff because I have bags of it at the house.
hotep jesus
But no, you were right.
You were spot on with the microbiome.
It has a lot to do with it.
We have our own Noah Tropics company, menofwater.com.
And in flow...
That's what we're dealing with, is the microbiome in your gut and having good gut health is part of helping you create focus in your mind and brain health.
Because the gut is the second brain.
So once you have poor gut health, everything starts going up.
ian crossland
What's the company called?
hotep jesus
Men of Order.
Menoforder.com.
tim pool
All right, we'll grab one more here.
KiernanTheMeatMan says, Tim, you champion exercise, yet you are not deadlifting on the show.
Hypocrite much?
Yes.
phil labonte
On the show.
tim pool
Indeed.
ian crossland
It'd be funny if it just came to you in New York.
phil labonte
I did deadlifts today.
ian crossland
Oh, solid.
What are you deadlifting now?
phil labonte
I'm not.
unidentified
No.
phil labonte
No, I don't go for big weights.
I did like 200 pounds.
Something like that.
hotep jesus
Oh, just nothing like, you know, just 200 pounds.
tim pool
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Hotep Jesus, do you want to shout anything out?
hotep jesus
Yes, please.
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ElectionDayGames.com.
ElectionDayGames.com.
Thank you very much for having me, Tim.
I just need one favor from you, Tim.
I need you to stop broadcasting on Thursday so I can get some more viewers at 8 p.m.
ian crossland
What's your show on Thursday at 8pm?
hotep jesus
8pm.
Hotep's been told you, me and Uncle Hotep, man.
Nice fun time.
ian crossland
Always a pleasure, my man.
hotep jesus
Thank you.
ian crossland
Always.
And I'm Ian Crossan.
tim pool
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ian crossland
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Great episode with Shane.
He's the man.
Shout out.
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phil labonte
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tim pool
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