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Kimmel ROASTED For CRYING Over Trump Win, Liberal Hosts LOSE IT w/Michael Knowles | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
Well, Jimmy Kimmel started crying.
And the best part about his opening monologue where he is crying, he like welled up and nearly cried.
He choked up.
I don't know if there were any tears.
But he's like, this is a terrible night for the poor, for immigrants, for women, and for our allies in Ukraine.
It was when he got to Ukraine, he struggled to speak.
Like he was so sad for the people of Ukraine he's never met and doesn't even know where they are on a map.
But sure.
So now, you know, Stephen Smith is distancing himself, Fox News says.
We'll talk about that.
And just generally all the late night hosts are having this insane meltdown where they don't seem to understand what democracy is.
Yet when Trump wins the popular vote and the popular mandate, you can't say democracy is dead.
Because it actually won.
And then we got a bunch of news, but I know Donald Trump has chosen his chief of staff, which is big news.
PA has been called for McCormick, so this is another flip for the Republicans.
And then we have this article from Wired, The Manosphere One, where they blame Stephen Crowder, Ben Shapiro, and me for partly contributing to Donald Trump's major victory.
I don't think any of us are considered manosphere, but no one's ever accused these people of being smart.
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michael j knowles
What's going on, guys?
Good to be with you.
tim pool
Absolutely.
You also got no sleep.
michael j knowles
I got no sleep.
I got two hours on election night.
We did the election show, which I was on here with you guys.
I go home.
I realize now I have to write my own show for the morning.
For some reason, I decided to do a show at 6.30 in the morning, or whatever it is, 8.30 in the morning, central time.
And then things just keep happening.
So we're all just talking all the time.
Luckily, though, I'm just powered by a constant stream of Mayflower cigars.
Can I offer anybody a cigar?
Would anybody care for one?
elad eliahu
I feel like we didn't celebrate it already, but we might have to.
tim pool
Can we smoke in here right now?
michael j knowles
Absolutely.
I'd make an executive decision.
Would you have one?
tim pool
I can barely tell.
seamus coughlin
I'll have one.
elad eliahu
Turning down the cigar from you, Mr.
Knows I Could Never.
michael j knowles
All right, guys.
You want the dawn or the dusk?
The light or the dark?
seamus coughlin
Do you have a recommendation?
I want something kind of light right now.
tim pool
Give him the biggest one.
michael j knowles
Okay, that's great.
Just a big, fat stick.
I'll give you the light one, the dawn.
What are you thinking?
Here, I'll flick it overhand.
unidentified
All right.
michael j knowles
You want to try the dust?
unidentified
Can I have a baby one?
elad eliahu
What's the small one?
Little baby Dawn.
It'll be my first cigar.
seamus coughlin
Really?
michael j knowles
All right, man.
phil labonte
Wow.
michael j knowles
You always remember your first.
I am reliable.
seamus coughlin
Be careful of that.
Do we got a lighter and an ashtray?
michael j knowles
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
I got a lighter.
michael j knowles
We might need to fly in an ashtray, or we can just burn down the Daily Wire studio.
tim pool
I would not recommend that.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
I mean, Antifa probably wants to right now, considering the election results.
michael j knowles
I think so.
We're trying not to disclose our location.
seamus coughlin
If we accidentally burn the place down, they'll call it mostly peaceful.
michael j knowles
Yeah, that's true.
seamus coughlin
So we're okay.
tim pool
But I know that you've got the special Mayflower ones.
michael j knowles
I do.
This is a special size that was made just for me, that I never got to try until a year into my company.
This is the Corona Gorda Mayflower cigar, and it was the perfect thing to smoke.
On election night, I heard from the CEO of the company that produces these two blends for me, and he said he basically has had a cigar in his teeth for every minute other than four hours, say, since election night.
I mean, this is a celebratory time.
tim pool
Well, all right.
Well, Michael is lighting up some beautiful cigars.
Elad is here.
elad eliahu
Hey, everybody.
I am Elad Eliyahu.
I'm a journalist here at TimCast.
You might need to pass that lighter to me after.
I feel like very strong and powerful with this in my hand, Michael Nolso.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
michael j knowles
That's how it works.
elad eliahu
Absolutely.
So, I'm happy to be here.
Seamus, what's up, man?
seamus coughlin
Happy to be here as well.
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tim pool
Chet says, Elad, don't inhale the smoke.
Keep it in your mouth.
elad eliahu
Absolutely.
I'm waiting for an ashtray.
michael j knowles
Yeah, I don't know if we can fly in an ashtray.
Otherwise, I'm going to ash into those jelly beans right now.
tim pool
You should.
phil labonte
I am Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary, and let's get this on.
tim pool
Well, here's the big story.
I love this one.
It's a little bit of a development.
Stephen A. Smith distances self from Jimmy Kimmel after Kimmel cries over Trump.
When?
Wouldn't have been me.
Yeah, I'd be pretty embarrassed, too, if...
A bunch of my friends were crying on TV, but we have the clip for you guys, and I hope this brightens up your day.
jimmy kimmel
Let's be honest, it was a terrible night last night.
It was a terrible night for women, for children, for the hundreds of thousands of hardworking immigrants who make this country go, for healthcare, for our climate, for science, for journalism.
For justice, for free speech.
It was a terrible night for poor people, for the middle class, for seniors who rely on Social Security, for our allies in Ukraine, for NATO, for the truth, and democracy, and decency, and it was a terrible night for everyone who voted against him, and guess what?
It was a bad night for everyone who voted for him, too.
You just don't realize it yet.
phil labonte
It was not.
seamus coughlin
I had a great time.
tim pool
He said it was a terrible night for democracy.
Bro, democracy won.
But the best point that I want to make is he only starts crying when he gets to Ukraine.
jimmy kimmel
Ten years to rely on Social Security for our allies in Ukraine.
tim pool
Is that his biggest concern right now?
seamus coughlin
He doesn't care about the American people at all.
phil labonte
The poor, women.
tim pool
No, it's Ukraine.
seamus coughlin
And notice, by the way, he refers specifically to identity groups, right?
Because that's the most important thing to them.
We can't have national sovereignty and patriotism and solidarity and stand with one another as Americans.
It has to go, well, our favorite minority groups or oppressed classes are having a bad time.
phil labonte
The most likely situation in Ukraine is that Donald Trump becomes president.
They come to some kind of negotiated peace.
Ukraine does lose some territory because they're not going to give back Crimea and probably I think it's the Donbass or the area that they were after.
But the dying stops.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
phil labonte
The dying stops.
So I don't know what the hell this guy's talking about.
The idea that it's a bad thing to stop the killing.
The absolute horror of trench warfare.
I don't know about anybody else.
But I've looked at some of the trench warfare stuff.
It's absolutely unimaginable.
michael j knowles
Well, legitimately, the strategy, the grand strategy here is just to use Ukraine as a meat grinder to kill Russian soldiers.
phil labonte
It's disgusting.
And it's for money because there are investments in Ukraine by a bunch of different companies.
They're invested in...
Mike Benz was talking about this the other day, I believe on the PBD broadcast, but I don't know it well enough.
michael j knowles
Mike Pence went on the PBD broadcast?
That's impressive.
seamus coughlin
I think the same thing every time.
tim pool
Did you guys see, there's a story, and Donald Trump Jr.
tweeted this out, it was hilarious.
Hamas is already calling for an end of the war the moment Trump got elected, and Donald Trump Jr.
was like, my father hasn't even gotten into office yet, and already he's ending wars.
seamus coughlin
It's Reagan all over again.
It's so frustrating.
The same thing happened with the hostages being released as soon as he was elected.
And one of the hilarious things is the left is still trying to spin that to this day.
I remember when I was in high school, what we were taught by our history book and by our history teacher was that the Republicans were actually meddling behind the scenes to ensure that the hostages weren't released until Reagan was president.
But of course, they were going to do it anyway.
Everyone knows that that's nonsense.
The reality is they were more afraid of Reagan.
phil labonte
He needs your cutter.
michael j knowles
Oh, did you cut the cigar?
No, you gotta cut the cigar.
elad eliahu
I need to cut something off.
michael j knowles
I'm gonna pass that on down.
That's a little Mayflower cutter.
seamus coughlin
But yeah, they'll be trying to make the same arguments.
Well, it was actually collusion and the Trump campaign was talking with them or some other such nonsense.
phil labonte
And you put it in your mouth.
No, no, no.
seamus coughlin
That end's already cut.
phil labonte
Give me the cigar.
elad eliahu
Maybe give it to Phil.
michael j knowles
Just a little bit.
Just a little tiny touch.
Let me see.
A little bit more than that.
seamus coughlin
You're circumcising it.
elad eliahu
Is that what this tool is used for?
Is this Mayflower logo as well?
michael j knowles
My night job is I'm a moil.
It's very handy.
phil labonte
Mazel tov.
unidentified
Perfect.
elad eliahu
That's great.
Spark up the Mayflower.
phil labonte
Absolutely brutalize your cigar.
tim pool
You need to pop on to get it going.
michael j knowles
There we go.
Maybe try to keep it a little more parallel to the ground.
phil labonte
Spin it, too.
michael j knowles
There you go.
phil labonte
And turn it.
unidentified
Twist it.
michael j knowles
Yeah, that's good.
That's good.
My first cigar.
seamus coughlin
First cigar.
elad eliahu
Thank you, Michael Knowles.
That's my pleasure.
This tastes delicious.
This Mayflower cigar might be the best cigar I've ever smoked.
michael j knowles
I believe it.
tim pool
These microphones are going to smell like Mayflower forever.
phil labonte
Are these yours?
tim pool
Should we not do this?
unidentified
Are these yours?
elad eliahu
Anyway...
seamus coughlin
We won the election!
phil labonte
I'm smoking a cigar.
unidentified
We're like the political bosses in the back room smoking cigars, talking politics.
elad eliahu
What are we going to do next?
Donald Trump won the election?
michael j knowles
Yeah, we're ending war.
That's usually the opposite of what they do.
seamus coughlin
Media Matters is going to use this as the right-wing cigar room.
tim pool
What do you think...
Michael, what do you think happens now?
I mean, it looks like we're going to get the House.
It's going to be maybe even 222 seats.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
tim pool
With the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, and the Supreme Court...
Are they going to do anything?
michael j knowles
Look, every day that goes by that we don't have results in a race, to me, creates at least the appearance of an opportunity for shenanigans.
So I was really elated that Trump sweeps the Rust Belt, wins the Sun Belt, you know, he just absolutely crushes.
And then I wake up today and I see Sam Brown, marvelous candidate for Senate in Nevada, and he's leading by a little bit, and then all of a sudden, big batch of votes comes in, oopsie-daisy, Jackie Rosen got it.
tim pool
Now, hold on.
Here's my question about that.
Was this actually, because I heard this, that it's mail-in votes that came in after Election Day.
michael j knowles
I don't know that for a fact, but I do know that the numbers jumped real quick today.
Thank you, sir.
tim pool
And I heard it was a last-minute batch of mail-in votes that just came in.
Everybody's saying this, and I'm saying, if that's true, file a lawsuit, cite the Fifth Circuit Court, and throw them out.
michael j knowles
You know, look, I don't know when, even if it were just mail-ins in general, mail-ins that were mailed at the legal moment, it just creates the appearance of impropriety when three days later you say, okay, top of the ticket swept the sunbelt, swept the rust belt, and then all of a sudden, what, we're losing in Wisconsin, we're losing in Michigan, we're losing in Nevada down ballot.
I don't know, we probably were going to lose in Arizona down ballot anyway, but I don't know, it just creates the appearance of impropriety.
So regardless, all right, we're not going to have 55.
Right.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, Cary Lake's only down 51,000.
michael j knowles
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, with 75 in.
And they are saying it's gonna go to Galego.
I still don't trust any of it.
michael j knowles
Well, actually, okay, if the new ballots are helping Cary, then I take back everything I said about mailings.
I'm very pro-mailing now.
unidentified
They're great.
michael j knowles
Bring it, please.
Get me more from maybe outside of Maricopa.
seamus coughlin
You cynic.
michael j knowles
No, I'm just...
Look, I... The whole process is a little cynical these days.
seamus coughlin
You're not wrong.
michael j knowles
But, okay, let's say we get 53 seats, 52, 53 in the Senate.
Let's say even 218, 219 in the House.
I mean, better 220, 221, 222.
But then you've got the Supreme Court.
You've got Thomas and Alito likely would retire by the end of Trump's term.
So then you replace them with young justices, I hope, who can fill their shoes.
Things are looking up, but you still have that other branch of government that we haven't talked about, which is the bureaucracy.
tim pool
Well, I do need to say this.
I think, Michael, it's time for unity, and it's time to reach across the aisle.
The Democrats have some policies that we've never liked, but I think we should embrace, like expanding the Supreme Court starting on January 21st.
seamus coughlin
I'm hoping we do that.
tim pool
It was their idea.
It's court reform.
Absolutely.
And we should...
michael j knowles
You know what else we've got to do?
In the spirit of unity and bipartisanship, they really wanted to end the filibuster.
So I think with 52 seats, this is a prime time to end the filibuster.
seamus coughlin
I completely and totally agree with you.
tim pool
Democrats, we didn't agree with those policies, but we're going to make concessions now for the sake of unity.
seamus coughlin
It's an olive branch.
We're extending them an olive branch.
michael j knowles
We are such gracious, charitable people.
elad eliahu
Mr.
Knowles, there's been a lot of chat about a so-called political realignment.
Trump won all of the swing states with this new coalition of young men and Hispanic voters.
Do you believe this is a new coalition, a new realignment that we're seeing?
michael j knowles
It manifestly is.
I hear this every cycle over the past decade.
It's a realignment.
It never quite comes to pass.
But 20% of black men, that's shocking.
46% of Hispanics, that's shocking.
We haven't seen that since Bush.
I think that actually beats Bush's numbers in 2004.
You see Labor votes following the Teamsters' decision not to endorse the Democrat.
That's pretty shocking.
I mean, that's just undeniable at a certain point that a realignment has taken place.
Meanwhile, who were the biggest boosters of the Democrat ticket?
The Cheney family.
That's not a realignment.
I don't know what is.
seamus coughlin
They were calling on W. They were saying, George W. Bush, you need to say something!
You need to say something!
Fascism's on the ballot!
Which is hilarious because, as we all know, they called him a fascist.
Literally going all the way back to Ike Eisenhower.
Eisenhower was called a fascist by the left.
And not just a fascist.
They called him a Nazi.
They called him Hitlerian.
tim pool
Well, my favorite thing is that they were calling on Hitler from 2003 to fight against Hitler from 2024.
michael j knowles
Save us, Hitler.
You're our only hope.
tim pool
That's going to get clipped.
unidentified
I should have been facing the camera if only.
michael j knowles
I loved, speaking of groups that clip you dishonestly, you saw that not only did Kamala concede, but Kamala HQ has called it quits, you know, the campaign Twitter.
And I'll tell you, man, I'm going to miss it.
I got great publicity out of them.
I think they repelled so many voters and sent them into Trump's camp or at least convinced them to stay home.
tim pool
Well, not me, because they defamed me and we have a pending case against them and are awaiting a response in our lawsuit.
michael j knowles
Hey, look, I thought about that.
I thought about suing them because they truly and incontrovertibly defamed me.
But I was kind of just too tired to put the whole thing together.
Can I just jump on...
Can this be like a class action thing where you just give me my cut of the proceeds at the end?
tim pool
No.
Darn.
Honestly, so the only thing I can say about it is for everybody who's waiting, these things take forever.
And I'm not entirely sure what happens next because...
They're done.
But as far as I know, we are moving forward in every reasonable, meaningful way, legally.
And we have...
I don't know what I'm supposed to say on this one, but the filing is public.
All the movement should be publicly available.
That's publicly available, I guess.
And it's going.
unidentified
So I expect...
tim pool
I demand satisfaction.
michael j knowles
I demand...
You know, they said that I was a big Project 2025 person.
Because I don't know, because I know Kevin Roberts, I guess.
That was the only...
They had no connection to it whatsoever.
And I thought, you guys are giving me real promotions here on your account.
But it was very telling that the way that the Trump campaign attacked Kamala was by revealing...
Her own policies in her own words.
You know, when she said she wanted to ban fracking, Tim Walls on his abortion extremism and transgender extremism.
And the way that Kamala Camp attacked us was by just completely making stuff up.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's totally true.
Part of what was particularly hilarious, I don't know if you saw this today, but your colleague Matt Walsh tweeted, I believe two days ago, that now that Trump's in office, we should just start admitting that we really wanted Project 2025, which was an obvious joke and was hilarious.
But part of what's really funny about that...
There were left wing accounts screenshotting that retweeting it saying, see, the credulous media trusted Republicans, which firstly the media smeared Trump with Project 2025 constantly.
But what I find so funny about that is the fact that Matt Walsh is a man who built his career trolling liberals with just released a documentary that crushed at the box office, which is exclusively based on him trolling liberals.
His profile picture is him dressed as the character he trolled liberals as and liberals saw his tweet trying to troll them And they still took the bait!
tim pool
It's hilarious!
seamus coughlin
There's not an easier group of people to troll because they're so desperate to be self-serious.
tim pool
That's the terrifying thing about Matt is his deadpan.
seamus coughlin
It's so good.
michael j knowles
Stone cold psychopath, without question.
The thing that's also crazy about it is anyone who's really in the know in conservatism knows we're not about Project 2025.
We're about Project 2026.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
elad eliahu
Even bigger, baby.
phil labonte
One more.
michael j knowles
You don't know what's in it.
It's one more than 25.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
25, that was old.
michael j knowles
That's old time.
elad eliahu
More than anything else, it feels as though Project 2025 and the fear-mongering around it was desperation from the Democrats as they were trying to claw at something to attack Trump.
seamus coughlin
And it's very moderate.
If you've actually read through anything in Project 2025, it doesn't even come close to being fringe rights.
michael j knowles
The Project 2025 is a project of the Heritage Foundation, which is the most mainstream conservative think tank.
And also, what is even meant by Project 2025 is just a list of personnel that could staff an administration.
It's a database of email addresses.
unidentified
Two percent.
phil labonte
To be fair, the left looks at anything that is to the right of what they currently want.
Not what they currently have, but what they currently want.
Anything to the right is the absolute end of the world.
There is no moderation.
There's no ability to moderate their emotions.
Everything is an absolute catastrophe.
Anytime they lose anything.
tim pool
I want to jump to the story from Daily Mail.
CNN host silenced as a Democrat strategist turns on colleagues, quote, we are not the party of common sense.
CNN contributor Julie Roginski criticized onlookers and her own colleagues during the segment.
The argument was triggered after another on-air contributor asked Roginski if Biden should have dropped out of the race sooner.
Roginski explained through a series of what she called hard truths why she believes the Democratic Party had become increasingly out of touch.
Similar criticisms were waged in the wake of the election in 2016, where many counted out Trump as a credible threat.
In fact, they were calling him the Pied Piper candidate.
Here we go.
Let's play the clip.
julie roginsky
No, I'm going to speak some hard truths to my friends in the Democratic Party.
This is not Joe Biden's fault.
It's not Kamala Harris's fault.
It's not Barack Obama's fault.
It is the fault of the Democratic Party in not knowing how to communicate effectively to voters.
We are not the party of common sense, which is the message that voters sent to us.
For a number of reasons.
For a number of reasons, we don't know how to speak to voters.
When we address Latina, and language, listen, language has meaning.
When we address Latino voters as Latinx, for instance, because that's the politically correct thing to do.
It makes them think that we don't even live on the same planet as they do.
When we are too afraid to say that, hey, college kids, if you're trashing a campus at Columbia University, Because you're unhappy about some sort of policy and you're taking over a university and you're trashing it and preventing other students from learning, that that is unacceptable.
But we're so worried about alienating one or another cohort in our coalition that we don't know what to say when normal people look at that and say, wait a second, I send my kids to college so they can learn, not so that they can burn buildings and trash lawns, right?
And so on and so forth.
When we put pronouns after names, Not even that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, not even that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
I saw a really great post from some guy who was like a social democrat, and he was like, why can't democrats just be normal?
No one wants millions of people storming across their borders and going into their homes.
michael j knowles
Well, you know, there's a famous communist theorist, Antonio Gramsci.
He's an Italian theorist.
And in the prison notebooks, which is his great work that was translated actually by Buttigieg's dad, Joseph Buttigieg, And Kamala is the daughter of a Marxist, so you're seeing them seep into the government.
But Gramsci made a great point, which is that no revolution can succeed if the revolutionaries lose the common sense.
If you don't have the common sense, the common people...
elad eliahu
I think this STEM strategist is on point, but she's not addressing the elephant in the room, and that the older, more moderate Democrats are beholden to the youth of the party that is far left.
The youth of the party does believe in gender changes.
They do believe in these pronouns.
They do believe in Latinx and all these extreme things that she's talking about.
But that's where the power and excitement from the Democrat Party is coming from, and that's why they cannot abandon the Well, the other problem is the logic of the so-called moderate Democrats inevitably leads to the radical Democrats.
michael j knowles
So if the moderate Democrats say, feminism's great, LGBT revolution is great, well, what you're really saying is men and women are basically the same.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
michael j knowles
And so if you're saying men and women are basically the same, and then you're saying two men is the same as two women, is the same as a man and a woman, we can redefine marriage, we can redefine the social building block of marriage.
Then don't you inevitably get to transgenderism?
If men and women are the same, then why can't a man be a woman?
elad eliahu
Wait, from gay marriage to transgender...
seamus coughlin
I don't see how you avoid it.
What Michael's pointing out is that what the radical left does is just takes normie liberal positions to a more logical conclusion.
If you believe that men and women are interchangeable within a marriage, then men and women are interchangeable in a marriage.
I don't think men and women are interchangeable in a marriage.
Men and women being interchangeable in a sporting event is not that big of a deal.
phil labonte
First of all, it's not about what you think.
It's about leftists and what they think.
And it's not just that men and women are interchangeable.
It's that all people are interchangeable.
michael j knowles
Eventually, yeah, you're right.
phil labonte
If you talk to a leftist, they will tell you that anybody could do what Elon Musk could do if they were put into the same conditions.
It's about nurture versus nature.
They believe that if you take any human being and put them into a situation and give them all the same things that they had leading up to it, they would be the same thing.
And it's not true at all.
elad eliahu
That's exactly what they thought.
I think the difference here is that gay marriage doesn't defy science, right?
Two dudes...
michael j knowles
Does it not?
I don't know.
elad eliahu
To have children it does, but as far as them just being crazy men or doing whatever they have to do, gender change operations defy science.
Telling somebody they could change genders...
Saying you're attracted to an ad, you could think there's things about that that are wrong or incorrect, but there's a scientific base for a gender.
michael j knowles
But I think you just made the point very well, because I guess maybe we need to do a new Matt Walsh documentary instead of what is a woman, it's what is marriage.
What distinguishes marriage from any other combination of two people?
You know, I got buddies.
Well, we're buddies.
We're hanging out.
My buddy and I are not married.
Because we don't do the things that married people do, fortunately.
tim pool
There's an Adam Sandler movie about this.
seamus coughlin
It's like a scientific question.
I mean, it's a philosophical question, but just on a scientific basis, sodomy and sex are two different things.
elad eliahu
Sure, but it's...
Gays can have sex.
There's no scientific question here.
But I think there is a question whether or not a man can become a woman.
You could question, what is marriage?
It's supposed to be a religious institution.
michael j knowles
No, I'm not even saying that.
I'm just saying at a very natural, basic level, it would seem to me, and I'm just off the top of my head here, that marriage is a union between a man and a woman for the purpose...
elad eliahu
A religious union, though.
michael j knowles
Well, I'm not even saying that.
I'm just saying it's a union...
A union between a man and a woman for the purpose of begetting and educating children and as a secondary matter for the mutual support of the spouses.
That's what defines what marriage is.
Just like the Leftist Tears Tumblr exists to give me delicious Leftist Tears and sometimes Spindrift, just like the cigar exists to give me tasty, delicious Mayflower smoke, so too marriage exists for a purpose.
And so if you get two fellas together, or two ladies, or three dudes and a billy goat, they're in some kind of union.
I'm not denying that, but it's just...
tim pool
But I do get what a lot is saying, because remove the word marriage from it and say a legal apparatus has been created for tax purposes and legal rights and hospitals and things for people who are together as partners, whatever you want to call it.
Going to someone and saying, telling a child especially, you can be the opposite gender, is not possible in any way.
What they could say is, we can give you a surgery so that you can be a facsimile or representation similar to a female, but you will never be female.
michael j knowles
But isn't that the same thing as gay marriage?
It's a facsimile or a kind of parody that seems similar to marriage, but it's not.
tim pool
So the issue is, telling people that they...
Arguing marriage...
I get what you're saying, but I understand the point he's trying to make is that there's no irreversible surgery involved to a child.
It's like, if two guys are living in a room, we can argue the definition and say this is not...
michael j knowles
And this is a great point, really, which is like...
If we're all agreeing that broadly as a matter of logic, that's true and there's a fair analogy here, but it doesn't strike people the same way.
And I think this is what's happened in 2024.
People don't really...
Two guys want to do a Will and Grace thing, whatever.
It doesn't affect them, they don't think about it.
But you see a little kid being castrated, being put on...
Cross-sex hormones, being brainwashed by his public school teacher, who's a far leftist.
You just think, at a gut level, that is so repulsive that you are going to vote against anybody who promotes that.
elad eliahu
Electorally speaking, too, gay marriage, I don't think, is what she was alluding to.
I think she was talking about the trans stuff and going a little bit farther.
In the Republican Party, we have a large amount of LGBTQ people.
I don't know about the TQ, but at least the LGBT. And in Trump's cabinet there, Rick Grinnell is probably going to have a cabinet position.
So I think that stuff, the super unpopular stuff that I think most adult Democrats are, again, repulsed by thinking that you could change genders.
But they're at least decently OK.
michael j knowles
But I guess to bring it full circle, my only point on this is not that the Supreme Court is going to overrule Obergefell.
That's not going to happen anytime soon.
President Trump has not called for anything like that.
elad eliahu
Hey, that's what they said about Roe v.
Wade, though.
But with Roe v.
michael j knowles
Wade, conservatives were actively trying to overrule that for 50 years.
There's very little appetite.
phil labonte
And even the liberals on the court knew that it was a bad decision.
elad eliahu
I remember the spin about Roe v.
Wade was settled law.
phil labonte
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
elad eliahu
You guys remember that phrase?
You guys remember settled law?
phil labonte
You remember settled law?
seamus coughlin
I just want to say, don't hold a conservative woman accountable for things that lawyers say, all right?
Because they're always going to have a sketchy way about it.
phil labonte
Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg is on record saying it was a bad decision.
That it was a bad thing for the court.
I don't disagree.
You can't disagree with it.
She said it.
elad eliahu
I don't disagree with her that it was properly done.
phil labonte
So it's one thing to say, oh, Roe was settled law, etc.
But the conservatives had been making the case that they were going to eventually change it forever.
Am I out of touch here?
elad eliahu
Was it not constantly said about Roe v.
Wade that it was subtle?
michael j knowles
Which was technically true.
elad eliahu
No, Republicans and right-wingers would say this too.
But here's what would happen.
michael j knowles
You get a conservative judicial nominee would come up, and you'd get some radical lib, fanatical for killing babies, would say...
Do you agree with Roe v.
unidentified
Wood?
michael j knowles
Whatever.
And then the conservative would say, totally truthfully, say, Roe v.
Wade is settled law.
phil labonte
Which was true at the time.
That's also the same thing that Kamala Harris was doing when she said, I will follow the law when people pose difficult questions to her.
michael j knowles
Right, right.
elad eliahu
I guess I'm an idiot for believing that, because I remember five years ago hearing, oh, settled law?
That sounds about right.
tim pool
Settled law.
seamus coughlin
First of all, why would you ever believe a lawyer?
elad eliahu
We settled this, right?
michael j knowles
But I guess to bring it full circle, the reason I bring up the marriage thing is not that anyone's going to go back to before Obergefell.
It's not going to happen anytime.
seamus coughlin
It's settled law.
michael j knowles
It's settled law.
The reason is because we're trying to figure out how the moderate Democrats can deal with the really woke Democrats and the liberals and the leftists, but the thing is, they can't.
phil labonte
The Anti-Communist Act of 1954, I think, is what it is.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
tim pool
It is already settled law in the 1964 Civil Rights Act that communists are exempt from civil rights protection.
unidentified
That's right!
michael j knowles
Is it my joke?
tim pool
Shout out to Josie the Red-Headed Libertarian for broadcasting this message.
unidentified
Now, it's a reality, but let's do this.
seamus coughlin
I just want to make one quick point.
I was trying to get in here about the debate.
It'll be very quick.
tim pool
No, no, we don't want to hear it.
Ah, come on!
seamus coughlin
I just wanted to say it's settled.
No, all I wanted to say here was, even though you're right that she wasn't pointing to homosexual unions specifically, the reality is all of the victories for the LGBTQ movement had to be forced onto the public through the courts.
Nobody ever voted for it.
michael j knowles
And when they did vote, they voted against it.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
Even in California, it had to be forced on the public in California.
So this is an issue that has been forced from the top down.
People aren't calling for it, so it's not going to be popular in the voting booth.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story from Wired.
The Manosphere One.
phil labonte
As we sit here smoking cigars.
elad eliahu
Right after all.
tim pool
So first of all, this is not a Manosphere show.
We're not masculine-oriented young men or any of that stuff.
michael j knowles
But they say...
tim pool
Donald Trump owes at least part of his victory to the manosphere, the amorphous assortment of influencers who are mostly young, exclusively male, and increasingly the drivers of the remaining online monoculture.
They want to mention Nelk Boys, Aiden Ross, Schultz, Sean Ryan, Joe Rogan.
They say, but he's the one you've definitely heard of.
You're going to hear a lot of a tribute, Trump's win to all kinds of reasons, inflation, etc., etc.
They say it was these podcasts and streams that Trump spent a disproportionate amount of time in the final weeks of his campaign for a good reason.
That list above, plus Tucker Carlson, includes the four biggest podcasters on Spotify, Trump's.
Trep sat with all of them, often for hours, reaching millions of conservative or apolitical people, cementing his status as one of them.
A sigma guy, a guy with clout, and the apex model of masculinity that prioritizes fame as a virtue unto itself.
Certainly not the message that was delivered, because nobody looks at it that way.
But, um...
What I love about this is they mention his podcast appearance and then they have this.
They say what Trump and his team understood is that the disclosure to whatever extent that means anything anymore no longer happens in op-ed columns or the Daily Show.
Kamala Harris seemingly did not.
She did appear on Call Her Daddy, a stratospherically popular podcast with an audience primarily comprising young women.
And her campaign enlisted a number of influencers as surrogates.
But she skipped Rogan, Lex Fridman, and other mainstream adjacent marathon podcasts.
And even if she hadn't, the world of conservative influencers dwarfs their liberal counterparts in both follower size and impact.
In the same way Democrats never found their own Rush Limbaugh, they don't have a Steven Crowder or a Ben Shapiro or even, so help us, a Tim...
There are Democrats with followings online, but the cumulative gap in people paying attention to what they say is several orders of magnitude wide.
Reflect, please.
Reflect on this.
My neighborhood in Chicago flipped for Donald Trump.
I want to say this.
And Seamus, too.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's right.
When I was a little kid, I lived there.
tim pool
Garfield Ridge.
Boys, right here.
And this is blue Chicago.
When 2016 was blue, it started to turn red in 2020, and now Garfield Ridge and Clearing are red.
Not the entirety, but in the westernmost portion, there's a gigantic red square.
Of my entire neighborhood, everyone's like, Trump.
michael j knowles
It's because of you and the manosphere that you lead, obviously.
So help us.
phil labonte
I love that they're talking about how there's no Tim Pool or whatever, and they totally ignore the communists.
The Twitch communist.
I'm not even going to say his name.
Everyone knows the Twitch communist that I'm talking about, the himbo.
tim pool
I want to say this because a point was made.
Mehdi Hassan was talking to some guys on some show and they said Kamala should have gone on Rogan.
And he goes, no, we Democrats need a Joe Rogan.
And the response was, they had one.
His name was Joe Rogan.
unidentified
That's right.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
Well, I also just want to point this out.
This term manosphere is hilarious because it just turns being a man into a political opinion.
What do these podcasts actually have in common with one another?
What they're saying is, we have failed to secure the mail vote, so what we're going to do is tie together a coalition of things in podcasts that men happen to enjoy, and then say, this is a dangerous political movement that was working against us.
tim pool
Also, I need to stress this real quick, because they're saying we don't have a Tim Pool.
You did have a Tim Pool.
His name was Tim Pool.
My neighborhood in Chicago, which has been Democrat my whole life, which had the mayor come down, a Democrat mayor that everyone cheered for, is now voting for Trump.
It's not that you don't have one.
It's that Democrats want to live in a world where the only thing that makes you a Democrat is choosing to be a Democrat.
seamus coughlin
They're like, we don't have a Garfield Ridge.
tim pool
You did.
What they're saying is, we need a podcaster who, no matter what happens, no matter what the policies, they will always just say they're a Democrat.
elad eliahu
The liberals have ostracized everything masculine and coded it as right wing.
And now when it's come to bite them in the ass in the election with younger men, they're saying, oh, what's going on?
Why are they going to Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan, people who talk about stereotypical masculine things, and why is this all right-wing coded?
Because they made it that way.
They ostracized all the people who, if you go to the gym, it's right-wing coded.
All of these things that are traditionally masculine have become right-wing coded.
michael j knowles
If you get married and have children.
unidentified
That's fine.
phil labonte
It's actually a good thing for us.
seamus coughlin
I agree.
phil labonte
Because if the left hates young men, hates masculinity, and there are innumerable positive things about masculinity.
Competency is masculine.
There's just an endless array of things that are masculine that are good.
If the left hates those things, if they hate winning, if they hate all things that go along with masculine men, that's okay.
Let them come to the right.
seamus coughlin
I agree.
elad eliahu
I think they also admitted here that the media is on the outswing.
They're saying their op-eds are no longer relevant.
Now what matters is going on Theo Vaughn and Tim Pool and Joe Rogan.
It doesn't matter if you write an op-ed in the New York Times.
Nobody reads it anymore.
Nobody cares.
It's an echo chamber.
tim pool
And I will give a shout-out again to Josie.
On YouTube, you can search for 1776xJosie and subscribe just at 10,000 subscribers with their new channel, so shout-out.
seamus coughlin
Well, I just want to mention, I'm actually shocked that they didn't mention white guys for Harris as a force that helped deliver the fraction of the male vote that they did get.
The reality is, I was watching some of their ads and making fun of them, and you'll notice, absolutely, you'll notice that in none of the messaging they put out there, do they ever say a single good thing about white men?
So it's all, you can be different from the other white men.
You can stand above the fray.
But it's like, if you want to appeal to a demographic, you have to at least be willing to say one, one good thing about them as a group.
They cannot.
They can't do it.
I was watching an ad they made a while ago, and it was actually one I saw because Matt Walsh retweeted it and said, like, this looks like a woman's idea of what a man ad should be or something.
It was just obviously not written by a man, and if it was, certainly not written by a straight man.
But it's going on about, like, hey, white guys, kind of stinks being told we suck all the time.
I get it, but it's like, okay, let's just sidestep the fact that it's your party telling us we suck all the time, and then never say any reason why that shouldn't happen or why white men are good.
And so this is my challenge to any political leader on the left or any pundit on the left who's concerned about the fact that you don't have the white male vote.
Say one good thing about white men without throwing caveats at it, without giving a but!
Without mentioning historic injustices, say one thing you appreciate or are grateful to white men for.
phil labonte
They will never do it.
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
And that is why they will never get our vote.
phil labonte
We like the results on Tuesday.
Don't listen to Seamus.
We like the results we got.
tim pool
Don't listen to him.
Actually, I think the important thing for Democrats to realize is that Kamala ran a perfect campaign, and it's misogyny's fault.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
It's misogyny's fault.
And they should, next time they run a campaign, it should be the same as Kamala.
michael j knowles
They're in meltdown right now, though.
They're melting down because they've already alienated white men, intentionally.
But the group of people, the two groups of people that delivered that margin of victory were black guys and Hispanics, broadly.
So the new white supremacists are blacks and Hispanics.
And you've heard it on The View, you've heard it on cable news, that the...
Black men and Hispanics are now being accused of misogyny.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
michael j knowles
And that might carry some water if Trump had not also done better with women than he did last time.
The women started to move over, including young and single women.
seamus coughlin
Well, see, Michael, the women did it because they're racist, and the minorities did it because they're sexist.
I'll also say this.
If the Democrats weren't in a bad enough position now with some of the minority groups that they're losing as voters, I think they've put themselves in an even worse position after this election.
Because a lot of what I have seen has been statements about how this was only because of racism or some other kind of ism, but primarily racism.
And part of why I think that's so insulting is because, firstly, it's not as if a black person can't win a presidential election.
We've seen it happen.
Barack Obama literally won the presidential election.
We know, we know, we know, hold on, we know that black people can win elections in this country, and so I just find it astounding and incredibly tone-deaf that when they nominated a woman who didn't win a primary...
Who is extremely unlikable.
Who is a cackling, bubble-headed fool.
Who is far to the left of what any American wanted.
And then she lost.
They went, that's because she's black.
We just can't nominate black candidates and win.
michael j knowles
Yeah, I guess the real issue they should be dealing with is the we nominate part.
Because, you know, probably if they want their black woman or however Kamala is going to identify next time.
If they want her to win the general, they need her to win a single primary ever.
That is probably going to be conducive to her success.
seamus coughlin
And it's because they're so shocked.
You seem like, how did this happen?
How is it that this horrible candidate who's very unpopular and didn't win a single primary lost the presidential election to the single most popular candidate in the Republican Party?
How could this have happened?
It's really obvious, actually.
phil labonte
How ridiculous is their messaging, right?
They complained, like even Jimmy Kimmel was like, oh, democracy's in danger.
We had a perfectly fair democratic election the night previous to when he's saying democracy is in danger.
And they say, oh, we're worried about our democracy.
And Kamala Harris was the least democratically elected.
She was selected.
There was nothing democratic about her selection.
michael j knowles
You saw, though, during her concession, she implicitly admitted.
that the democracy threat was all nonsense.
She said, guys, it's going to be okay.
We're sad, and it's okay to be sad, but it's okay.
And so she's basically saying, hey, guys, we just elected Hitler, and that's okay.
And so Hitler's okay with me.
That's what she's saying.
seamus coughlin
Oh, you go ahead.
elad eliahu
I was going to say, the two things that I feel as though the Kamala Harris campaign was focusing on was, one, so-called democracy.
And that was kind of debunked when she didn't win any primary votes.
And she was focusing on January 6th and how Donald Trump was allegedly a threat to democracy.
He was going to lock up all his political opponents.
But how does that make any sense when Trump is facing multiple convictions across the country?
Then abortion was their second top issue.
And Trump dispelled that very aggressively when he said constantly that he would come out against the national abortion ban and wouldn't push that.
So we quickly dispelled both of their big narratives, their big spin.
And then we're dealing with the immigration crisis.
And I'm glad the election turned out the way it did.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
In terms of what Trump has to do in his first two years, you know, in case things flip and he's not able to get things done.
I mean, obviously, the deportations and the border security has to be first and foremost.
And also, I think something has to be done to put pressure on states to require photo ID in order to vote.
tim pool
I want to jump to this tweet from our good friend David Pakman.
He says, as we speak, progressives are tuning out due to understandable despondency over last night's results.
I won't speak about others, but I've lost 10,000 YouTube subscribers overnight.
seamus coughlin
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
tim pool
When the right loses, they fund operations like Turning Point, Invested Media, etc., If we abandon now, we see total control to absolute lunatics not a good idea.
michael j knowles
This is such retconning.
I was on TV with Cenk Uygur.
We were on Piers Morgan's show.
And this was right after they picked Tim Walz.
And I said, I think Tim Walz is a bad pick because he's an extreme leftist who tried to turn Minnesota into the windowless white van of the Midwest.
He said, I mean, he's a total wacko.
And Cenk said, no, Michael, this was a great pick.
And you'll see, you'll be crying on election day.
It was smart of her to pick.
So he agreed with my characterization that Walls was a leftist.
And I would go further and say Kamala, in as much as she has any beliefs, is a radical leftist who wanted to end fracking and open borders and all the rest.
So now you're getting this retconning from guys like Pacman saying, if only we'd picked a progressive.
If only the progressives had turned out.
Cenk said the same thing.
If only we had a populist.
Hey guys, you previously said you did that.
That didn't work.
So what are you going to do now?
tim pool
The tweet here from David Pacman is that he lies to people.
Okay, I'll be nicer.
He's wrong so often.
He was incredibly wrong now and he's losing subscribers over it.
And what we're hearing is that many of these prominent left and liberal channels are bleeding subscribers.
I just want to say this.
Kyle Kalinske, I used to think he was a nice guy.
He's kind of gone off the deep end on X. When he posted a picture from an airplane looking at farms and then said, I wonder why it looks this way, he got dragged mercilessly for not knowing what a farm was.
And I said, hey, look, he's an urban liberal guy, but he's been very nice, and he'll have a conversation with you.
Well, my friends, before the election, the day before, he said his bearish prediction for Kamala was that she would win all swing states, Iowa and Florida.
A remarkable prediction.
He said what he thought was likely was that she would win every swing state, and his worst case scenario was that she would get 276%.
Why are these channels bleeding subscribers?
I don't know if Kyle is, but why is David Pakman?
Because they're wrong.
Massively wrong.
seamus coughlin
And we're seeing a lot of predictions from people who completely missed the election, right?
People whose predictions about this election were disastrously wrong are now giving us their predictions on what the next four years are going to look like.
People are saying, you know what, I'm actually not that interested.
I don't think you've developed a good predictive model.
I don't think you know what the American people want.
I don't think you understand right-wing strategy or what conservatives are going to do when elected.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
phil labonte
To be fair to Kalinske, he's a leftist, and leftists are terrible with farming anyways, historically.
That's a good point.
The left has been saying all day for the past two days now that they haven't gone far enough left.
That was the problem.
There are a lot of the more far left people that are saying that.
And you look at the graph that shows the areas with the little small, tiny little arrows that have gone to the right and how many, how far, and everything has been a right wing sweep.
There was a sweep of the people, or there was a sweep of the people Looks like the House is going to be definitely the Senate.
There were a bunch of leftists recalled out of California.
California gave up a bunch of...
michael j knowles
George Gascon, the DA. Yeah, he's gone.
phil labonte
They gave up a bunch of counties that went right.
And these people are saying, oh, well, the reason is because we didn't have enough people, enough leftists, and the leftists stayed home.
And they're there.
What they're saying is if you look at 2020, which was a totally novel and unique election, whether you think it was fair or not, it was unquestionably novel and unique.
There was a totally new method of collecting of getting people to vote and getting ballots.
And they're looking at that and they're saying, well, all those 14 million or 15 million or whatever people stayed home.
And it's like those were phantoms.
Those people never voted on a regular.
regularly they were never going to go to the polls they were never going to actually get off their couch if it was fair in 2020 and i'm only going for argument's sake sake if it was fair it was because the ballots were mailed to people's homes they were filled out and then someone went and picked them up because the low propensity voters voters and the people that have no idea what they're voting for filled out those ballots the way that they thought was the nice way to do it and those ballots got turned in That's the only way that it could have been.
tim pool
When you look at, like, Pacman's Twitter account, he says, Trump's final message that Pelosi's a bitch, and it's like, whatever, I get those things.
I think this tweet right here is a granular example of what's wrong with the left and why they lose subscribers.
RFK being in charge of all things medical is quickly becoming a major reason not to vote for Trump.
michael j knowles
Wow.
tim pool
But it's things like that.
When you talk to a lot of liberals and hippy-dippy people, they're going, yeah, RFK Jr.'s right.
RFK Jr. had a video a month or two ago about this coal tar additive that uses yellow dye that people are eating that we know causes health problems.
He talked about fluoride being in the water being a problem.
David Pakman giving a knee-jerk, nonsense reaction to RFK Jr., is why Democrats lose and why he loses subscribers.
The response to RFK Jr.
is, well, we need that message too.
There are tons of hippy-dippy leftist organic farmers who are sitting there saying RFK Jr.
is right about everything.
And the Democrats are like, no, you're all crazy.
RFK Jr.
is nuts.
And you guys, we should all eat plastics.
michael j knowles
You want to talk about a realignment.
When I was a kid, all the hippies who ate the $15 eggs and worried about pesticides, they were all on the left.
unidentified
Yes.
michael j knowles
Now they are trad moms with like four kids in the suburbs.
phil labonte
No, it's absolutely right.
This year, even in the past...
Year and a half, two years.
People on the right have been like, when did all the hippies start getting on the right?
And what happened actually during COVID is when you noticed, when it was the vaccine stuff.
But people were like, when did all the hippies start saying that Trump was good?
There was some people that I saw a picture of that were at a Trump rally in tie-dye shirts that had Grateful Dead type imagery, and it said Trump on it.
And people were baffled.
The reason is because they have always been anti-government, anti-pharma, anti-big corporation, and now the Republicans are the ones that are like, look, all the big corporations are giving to the Democrats.
All the big corporations are trying to tell us what to do.
All the big corporations want to get involved in what we have to take.
michael j knowles
And who runs those corporations?
Who runs the establishment?
phil labonte
All Democrats.
michael j knowles
The Democrats are now the party of the government.
And that didn't, maybe that's been the case for a while, but it didn't seem like that was the case.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
So now, if you're skeptical of big power, wherever it may be, let's not forget Barry Goldwater.
He wrote that a conservative is one who is skeptical of all monopolies, of all hyper-concentrated power.
But now all that power, that's why Democrats view the Trump election as an insurrection.
seamus coughlin
in itself forget about the capital forget about january 6th they view it as an insurrection and in a way it kind of is because the democrats dominate the government well and here's the real scandal that none of them are willing to point to they say people no longer trust the experts in the media or in medicine or in food processing in production but why is that we are one of the most obese we are literally the fattest country on the planet we are the most obese nation on the planet
we are one of the sickest developed nations on the planet everyone on the left acknowledges that we have one of the worst health care systems in the world i would temper that a little bit they take it a bit too far but they're correct that there are many flaws with it but then whenever somebody who isn't a quote-unquote expert who's been trained by the same institutions that the left claims are broken and destroying our country they go this person isn't an expert you can't listen to them well where has listening to the experts gotten us It's made us the most obese nation on the planet.
We have food that makes us less healthy.
We have a medical system that seems to want us sick.
We have a media that tells us lies and misinforms people and clearly didn't have the predictive power to tell us where this election was going to go or what the American people wanted.
So maybe you should try challenging the experts if you want to win, because they have been leading you in this entire country in the wrong direction for decades.
And everyone knows it.
And even if you plug your ears and yell at people and call them bigots for acknowledging that reality, it's still true.
And everyone else sees it.
So why don't you come join the party?
tim pool
So I do have a correction, though.
I have to correct you.
We are not the fattest country in the world.
seamus coughlin
We are the most obese.
tim pool
We are not.
We're number 19.
seamus coughlin
We're number 19 now.
If I'm not mistaken, there are countries more fat or the most obese?
tim pool
American Samoa, Tonga, Noru, Tokelau, Cook Islands, New, Tuvalu, Samoa, French Polynesia.
michael j knowles
Wait, hold on, you said American Samoa.
elad eliahu
Yeah, they sound like American territories.
michael j knowles
Doesn't that count?
elad eliahu
We're still number one, baby.
michael j knowles
Yeah, I want to claim it.
Even though it's a little bit different, I want to claim the American Samoans.
tim pool
I think Tonga should be number one.
So that would put us at 18.
You're right.
America should not be on the list.
But we're not...
Bahamas are fatter than we are.
michael j knowles
They have all that nice chicken and those little beef patties.
seamus coughlin
But my point is, if you go to other developed nations and see the food that they're eating, they eat much more than us and they don't get as fat as us.
And people will say this too.
I went to Europe.
I ate as much as I ate here.
I felt better.
My weight was lower.
There's no question that there's a massive problem with obesity in the United States.
elad eliahu
Michael, I wanted to follow up with you on something.
Trump and many former Trump officials...
tim pool
Sorry, we are 18.
You're right.
Samoa is not supposed to...
They're very fat there, but Tonga is number one.
michael j knowles
We need to claim American Tonga.
seamus coughlin
We need to get back to number one.
elad eliahu
Oh yeah, I appreciate this.
I think we're heading in the right direction.
But Trump and many of his officials faced what it seems like motivated attacks from the Department of Justice and others.
For example, Trump obviously had a bunch of cases.
Steve Bannon only recently got out of jail.
Do you believe the Trump administration should go after Democrats who he believed Broke the law or strike a more conciliatory tone?
michael j knowles
Well, certainly President Trump needs to enforce the law.
I mean, the problem with Peter Navarro's case or Steve Bannon's case is that they were ruptures with the American jurisprudential tradition.
We, generally speaking, do not imprison senior White House officials for contempt of Congress.
We had never done that before.
Peter Navarro was the first one.
Now Steve Bannon goes to prison.
elad eliahu
What do you mean convicting a former president?
michael j knowles
And that's an even more extreme version.
So I don't encourage that.
I don't think that we should be jailing former presidents.
Let Hillary go run amok.
She can go take out her enemies or whatever she does in her spare time.
But I don't think we should be jailing former top White House officials.
tim pool
Well, I think at least right now Merrick Garland is good at jail.
I think Trump should bring in an AG and just say this country expects accountability and equality under the law.
Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon served their time for contempt of Congress.
Merrick Garland would do the same.
michael j knowles
Or Eric Holder.
Eric Holder also refused a congressional...
tim pool
I'm okay with...
I agree with you largely that we don't want to create this precedent.
I think for right now, you've got a large portion of the American people who are upset that Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon went to prison and Mayor Garland did not.
And this is within the same context.
This is like within a few months of each other.
elad eliahu
But you're saying Eric Holder was 10 years ago.
They set the precedent.
tim pool
I'm saying we want to set the president that we have equality under the law, not one-sided.
And that means we're not going to go back a decade for Eric Holder, but we are going to say, look, it was only a few months ago.
Merrick Garland needs to go to prison for four months.
elad eliahu
Or at least investigated and put him to trial.
tim pool
No, no, there's no investigation.
He was held in contempt of Congress.
That's it.
So the DOJ just now needs to say that welcome to jail.
And so that should happen.
elad eliahu
The banning treatment.
tim pool
Right.
And it's, look, you're going to have minimum security.
It's going to be comfortable and cushy, just like Steve Bannon got.
But if we don't do this, the American people will believe that even when you vote because you demand equality in the law, you don't get it.
So if we're going to say, fine, Steve Bannon went to prison, we have two options.
Merrick Garland goes or Trump issues a formal pardon to Navarro and Steve Bannon and would have to compensate them.
Because just saying it shouldn't have happened isn't enough, it's not equality.
He should say this is either malicious prosecution of two individuals, in which case they should receive a settlement compensation from the government and an apology, or it's not malicious prosecution and Merrick Garland should be in prison.
michael j knowles
Well, at the very least, on the pardon point, there are a lot of people who need pardons.
The majority of January 6th who really were not violent, they were just redressing their grievances on a tough day, those guys who got two years, they gotta go.
They gotta get out.
tim pool
Let me add to that.
Many of them were not even redressing grievances.
I met a couple that didn't know what was going on and were walking around D.C. This woman told me it was several hours after everything had stopped and people were leaving.
And she walks up to the Capitol with no barricades, open sidewalks, and her and her husband walked up, walked to the building, which the doors were wide open.
She walked inside and looked around for about a minute or two, took some pictures on her phone and then left, and they were smiling and giggling.
They had no idea there was any violence.
They'd seen nothing.
And she said a couple months later, Feds kicked her door and arrested her, and she was sentenced to 18 months.
michael j knowles
Many such cases.
The other pardons that need to come through, there are people, there is a grandmother, a lovely pro-life grandmother, who is sitting in a federal prison right now.
And there are actually multiple people who are sitting in federal prisons because they peacefully demonstrated at a baby killing site.
And they were sentenced under the FACE Act.
And the FACE Act was passed in the 90s, Bill Clinton.
And the idea of the FACE Act was you can't block the entrances to abortion centers, Or pregnancy centers, or even churches.
And the thing is, it was totally bogus.
They never prosecute anyone for going after the churches under the face act.
They never prosecute anyone for vandalizing or burning down pregnancy centers.
It's only ever used to defend baby killing sites.
All those people need to receive full pardons, and they need to repeal the face act.
seamus coughlin
Do you remember Mark Houck?
I just want to mention this really quickly.
Mark Houck was a man who was protesting outside of an abortion clinic, praying.
The police were called because an old man was harassing and yelling at his son, and the old man claimed that Mark Houck pushed him.
The Soros-funded prosecutor decided not to move forward with charges because there was nothing there.
And then a year later, under the FACE Act, his house is raided in the middle of the night, and he's arrested as if he's a dangerous criminal.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Even though a source funded DAA said there was nothing there to prosecute him with.
My point is, when civilians who are guilty of wrong think are punished this way, the idea that we're not going to go after either elected officials or unelected bureaucrats who are clearly and flagrantly disregarding the law for their political motives is insane.
And if anyone says we need unity, okay, the time for unity can come if Trump decides to pardon some of them.
But they absolutely need to have charges brought.
tim pool
We got this story from the New York Sun.
Trump lawyer Mike Davis threatens Letitia James with prison in fiery podcast titles.
michael j knowles
Was this real?
I saw this going around.
tim pool
Yes, I have the video for you from Benny Johnson's show.
I thought it was fake, too.
When Phil told me, I said, Phil, there's no way that's real.
mike davis
Let me just say this to Big Tish James, the New York Attorney General.
I dare you.
I dare you to try to continue your lawfare against President Trump in his second term, because listen here, sweetheart, we're not messing around this time, and we will put your fat ass in prison for conspiracy against rights.
I promise you that.
So think long and hard before you want to violate President Trump's constitutional rights or any other American's constitutional rights.
tim pool
It's not going to happen again.
benny johnson
We've been warning people on the show, Mike, this isn't the same Trump administration.
Stop messing around.
Don't rig elections.
Don't illegally vote.
tim pool
I think I would like to see a special investigation, a special prosecutor counsel to review the falsifying business records case out of New York because there is no underlying crime.
michael j knowles
Right.
tim pool
So for those that aren't familiar with the story...
Trump was charged with 34 counts of felony falsifying business records, but that requires an underlying crime.
They said it was falsifying records in furtherance of another crime, and never named what the other crime was.
michael j knowles
That's the only way that it could be, because it would have been a misdemeanor, and the statute of limitations would have expired by the time they brought it.
So they had to raise it to a felony, Plus, you saw...
Already, Jack Smith dropped the 2020 overturning the election case, which was wise of him to do.
However, this to your point, to the point that everyone is making on this panel, what the Democrats have done, what was the greatest threat to our democracy, our sacred constitution, our republic that we have seen in recent memory, certainly in any of our lifetimes.
And there does need to be some consequence for that, not out of cruelty, not because we want to just pound our enemies into the dust, but because if there is not retribution for injustices, you can fall into one of two errors when there's an injustice.
You can be excessive and cruel.
That's wrong.
And you can be remiss and encourage further injustice and further threats to our country.
We can't fall into the latter error here.
We need to make sure that there is a just and appropriate punishment or it's just going to happen again.
tim pool
Equality under the law.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
That's that's all we're saying.
I and this is what the Kamala campaign campaign got mad at me for.
I said that if we're going to go after anybody when Trump gets elected, it should be for real crimes.
There must be evidence.
Judges need to sign up on warrants.
It's got to be all above board and done by the book perfectly.
And we know there are people who have done wrong.
Merrick Garland should be in jail for contempt of Congress.
That happened.
elad eliahu
This unequal application of the law is why I think so many Republicans struggle to condemn harshly January 6th when they see what happened during the George Floyd riots and all the support they got from Democrats.
I believe Kamala Harris even had a bail fund set up.
seamus coughlin
It's still on her Twitter.
It's still up.
elad eliahu
For the people who are committing crimes throughout the George Floyd riots.
But if any Republican were to do that for any of the January 6th, people who were arrested on January 6th, they would be...
michael j knowles
They'd be arrested themselves, probably.
seamus coughlin
That's absolutely right.
elad eliahu
So the unequal application of the law here is really the issue.
And that's why I have reluctance condemning a lot of the people who were arrested on January 6th.
That's not to say that nobody did anything wrong, but...
michael j knowles
Of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
When Nancy Pelosi takes a knee in support of George Floyd and the BLM movement, at the same time, it's like, these aren't honest actors, right?
So that's why I really struggle with some of that stuff.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
You know, we talk a lot in American political culture about authoritarianism, and it's this big, scary word.
But if you would ask me to give a definition of what authoritarianism actually is, it's not when there's a lot of rules, and it's not even when rules are strictly enforced.
It's when there's a lot of rules for the people And those in power have no rules.
I believe that authoritarianism is not when there are too many rules, it's when there are too few rules for your government.
And to fail to punish elected officials who abuse their power is not merciful, it's cruelty to the governed.
michael j knowles
That sounds like Adam Smith to me.
elad eliahu
Speaking of pardons, do you think that Donald Trump should consider a pardon for Hunter Biden?
tim pool
Yes.
elad eliahu
No.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
I take it back.
seamus coughlin
If he were to do something like that, not until everyone...
tim pool
On a conciliatory note, Hunter Biden should not be pardoned because he needs to win.
I want Hunter Biden to win.
You want Hunter Biden to win.
You know why?
michael j knowles
Why?
tim pool
Because he is being criminally charged for self-incrimination on the next form.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
If he wins the Supreme Court and makes the argument, I should not have to self-incriminate when purchasing a firearm, they throw that out, we get rid of this...
Required self-incrimination.
michael j knowles
No, he should be prosecuted for the serious crimes he committed.
Not the low-hanging fruit nonsense.
elad eliahu
Gun rights advocate Hunter Biden now.
tim pool
I am not going to get emotional and demand that he suffer because I can't stand his family or anything like that.
I say, this idea that we have a right against self-incrimination and the feds require you to tell them if you're in possession of or a user of illegal drugs is literally the government saying, tell us you've committed a crime so we can restrict your rights.
Your right to keep and bear arms shall only be restricted through due process.
That is penalty for some kind of violation.
If you violate our laws, we can say, okay, you can't have a gun now.
We can also lock you in a box for a long time.
Hunter Biden was going to buy a weapon and the government said, tell us if you committed a crime or not.
Self-incriminate.
And then if you say yes, you can't have a gun.
So he said, no, he's charged for it.
I think the Supreme Court should throw it out.
michael j knowles
Maybe they should prosecute him for selling state influence to the Ukrainians and the Chinese.
That's probably a more serious crime to go after.
Return tax evasion.
elad eliahu
They have to dink him with the lower level stuff so we can overlook the Burisma, all the Burisma stuff.
No, no, no.
We'll get him on this gun charge.
tim pool
Even the tax stuff is questionable.
Because they're saying that he failed to pay, and I'm like, okay, okay, hold on.
I believe the penalty for failure to pay should be, you have to pay.
That's it.
So going after a guy who's got the money and you're like, but you didn't pay on time, I'm like, I don't know.
michael j knowles
But how else were we going to get Al Capone, you know?
tim pool
Well, I do think it's fair to say that in some circumstances, particularly with Hunter, is he intended to conceal the money so that he didn't have to pay.
That's different from just not paying.
elad eliahu
Sophisticated tax evasion.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
But all the libertarians are like, nope, pardon him on that too, because taxation is theft.
I'm not on that boat, though.
michael j knowles
You know what is theft, though?
The libertarians say taxation is theft, and I don't think that's true.
But I read a good article the other day that inflation is theft.
phil labonte
Inflation is absolutely theft.
michael j knowles
Inflation is legitimately theft, and it's a very regressive form of theft.
It hits the poorest people the hardest.
But the government has no right to just recklessly inflate the currency because they think they're going to buy themselves a few political favors.
That is theft from people.
elad eliahu
It acts as a tax on people.
It's because the government is printing money and making their money worthless.
seamus coughlin
Well, actually, so part of the reason that coins have ridges on them is because back when money was gold or silver or some precious metal, people would shave little bits off of the edge of the currency so that they could make extra money for themselves.
If that is theft, then inflation is theft because it's just an abstract way of the Fed attempting to do the exact same thing.
phil labonte
I'm a little bit of a nerd about this, but I understand the argument that 2% inflation or really low inflation consistently, it spurs growth.
It makes people want to go ahead and spend it.
michael j knowles
It might be inevitable in certain economic systems.
phil labonte
Possibly, yeah.
And deflation can turn into a deflationary spiral.
That's true, too.
But that's not an excuse for the government to print money to pay to their preferred groups or to big companies.
When they're printing money at 0% interest, which they did for a decade after 2008, they gave it to the banks at 0% interest rates.
Yes, the savings was passed on to the people.
You could get a mortgage for 3% at the best rates.
But still, they were giving that money to the banks themselves.
The banks were buying stocks, buying things.
They were buying stuff that was going to go up in value that was not dollars.
And that turns into a massive transfer of wealth from the population, because they still have to pay taxes, to the richest.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
michael j knowles
30% in three years is a lot different than maybe 2% in a year.
phil labonte
Yes, that's huge.
Well...
seamus coughlin
Oh, sorry.
I just want to say, they also make it as difficult as possible to escape inflation.
So, for example, the fact that capital gains are not indexed for inflation, I believe, is criminal.
Let's say you decide that the dollar is going to start to crash, you're not going to be able to retain the value of your savings, so you go and buy stock.
Okay, so let's say the value of the dollar gets cut in half, therefore your stock doubles in value, even though no actual wealth was gained.
When you sell that to get your value back, that half that you increased, that 100% increase, which was really just keeping up with inflation, is taxed as if it's profit.
michael j knowles
Right.
That's right.
I agree.
phil labonte
That's a good policy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, thank you.
Let's get that in Project 2025.
unidentified
Let's go, baby.
tim pool
Yeah.
We have Paul Danz, I think his name was, for Project 2025, and he brought us a bag and a mug, and so they're at our studio sitting around.
So I'm just excited for when the liberals come, and only a couple have, and it's just like the prominently displayed.
michael j knowles
Did they give you, though, the special Project 2025 cage that they're going to lock all the liberals in and all that?
phil labonte
It's not a Cajun Iron Maiden.
michael j knowles
The Iron Maiden guillotine.
tim pool
There were three Iron Maidens, but the truck couldn't get into the driveway, so we just unfortunately...
That's fair.
I love the Project 2025 paranoid delusional state, because actually, I looked through Project 2025, and a lot of it doesn't go that far.
michael j knowles
No.
tim pool
And I was like...
Of course.
Some of these things are like, we need reform.
I can't remember exactly what it was, but reforms in the Department of Education.
I was like, we want to get rid of that one.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
It's like reforms in this department, and I'm like, we want to get rid of those too.
seamus coughlin
Well, I think their income tax restructuring or readjustment for the brackets is a very reasonable policy.
If you've actually looked at it, it would cut taxes for people making between $47,000 and $168,000 per year.
Which is a huge subsection of the middle class and even some wealthier people.
Then above $168K, some people's taxes actually go up a little bit.
But the point is what it does is it creates a 15% and a 30% tax bracket.
And anyone making less than $168K per year pays 15%.
Any income you have above that gets taxed at 30%.
That would cut taxes for a lot of the middle class.
It's more reasonable than a flat tax is because right now we can't afford that just because if we want to keep revenue because flat tax would...
Raise taxes on the lower class a lot.
So Project 2025 has a very reasonable...
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
It's terrible.
It's terrible.
I completely disagree.
I'm in favor of a progressive tax.
michael j knowles
Of course.
tim pool
Where we only tax progressives.
unidentified
Yeah, that's good.
michael j knowles
The one area I thought Project 2025 went too far was deporting all the lesbians to Bolivia, which is on page 52.
That was too much.
seamus coughlin
It says to lesbos.
They want to send them to lesbos.
michael j knowles
To lesbos, the Greek island.
tim pool
You do know that's where the word comes from.
seamus coughlin
Yes, yeah.
tim pool
And I've been there and it is...
michael j knowles
How was it?
phil labonte
Flannels everywhere.
tim pool
Migrants.
unidentified
Subarus.
michael j knowles
It's all you can drive.
tim pool
Refugee camps.
Paranoia.
Crime.
And I walked to the shore and watched...
Like, refugees, if you can call it, I think they're economic migrants, but some refugees literally swim on a shore and walk up and walk past me.
seamus coughlin
And you just saw the ships importing flannel and Subarus and jean jackets from China.
elad eliahu
It's rich, because conservatives are laying out their Project 2025.
This is exactly what they were trying to do.
But as opposed to the Kamala Harris campaign, where it's like, we really don't have any idea of what you're trying to do.
michael j knowles
They didn't have a platform on their website for a month.
seamus coughlin
Hold on.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Brat Coconut Tree.
elad eliahu
I think I can finally dance along to that song now.
seamus coughlin
Isn't it crazy that Brat Summer didn't actually take with working class voters?
michael j knowles
Losing the Rust Belt is so brat.
seamus coughlin
So brat.
michael j knowles
Yeah, you know, the whole brat thing just seemed so contrived.
I think that was the issue with basically your whole campaign.
Everything.
You know, I love Doritos.
I'm full of joy.
People who tell you several times a day that they're really filled with joy, I think 100% of the time you can count on...
Not very joyful.
elad eliahu
Do you think Joe Biden would have fared better?
michael j knowles
Yes.
I don't think he would have won, but I think he would have fared better.
elad eliahu
At least one of the rough best states.
michael j knowles
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Of course, he's...
Joe Biden, look, he's from Scranton, too.
He's from Scranton, he tells us constantly.
But Joe Biden, whatever you want to say about him, guy's a pretty good politician.
The guy got elected to the Senate before it was constitutionally eligible.
elad eliahu
Only guy to beat Trump.
unidentified
Only guy to...
michael j knowles
No, he, you know, the guy is pretty impressive.
He's been in national politics for over half a century.
So you're a Democrat strategist.
You think, I know what we'll do.
We'll boot this guy out because he's a little slower.
By the way, Joe Biden, I say this in charity to him, was never the brightest bulb in the pack.
So he was always good at glad-handing and simpering.
And you think, okay, we're going to replace that guy with a woman who no one has ever expressed any affection for.
How's that going to turn out?
elad eliahu
Who in the primary was at most single digits when she ran in 2020.
tim pool
So I don't normally play longer YouTube videos, but someone sent me this.
Shout out to Tommy.
And this is the video where David Pakman is talking about the collapse of the left.
It's seven minutes long.
I don't know if I'll play the whole thing.
I have not heard what he has to say.
But we're going to play a little bit because I'd like to get an unfiltered view of what leftist liberals think is currently happening after Trump's victory.
unidentified
I'm going to tell you something that is terrifying me.
michael j knowles
It's that mustache.
unidentified
I always try to come here and put a positive face on everything, but there is something going on that is terrifying me.
When I woke up this morning, we had lost 5,000 YouTube subscribers compared to where we were last night.
Now, the first thing I thought was, is this a glitch?
We've been on YouTube for 15 years or something like that, and Subscribers always just go up.
They just never go down.
They go up.
Is something wrong with my channel?
Is someone attacking my channel?
tim pool
Something is wrong with your channel.
It's the misinformation.
seamus coughlin
That means the content.
unidentified
So I started texting.
Oh man, no way.
And I texted Tyler Cohen and Brian Cohen and Brian Tyler.
All of them.
I texted all of them.
I texted Jesse Dollimore.
I texted Luke Beasley and Farron Cousins and Sam Seder.
And every single one of our channels since last night is hemorrhaging subscribers.
Wow!
Why would you admit that?
seamus coughlin
Can you pause this for two seconds?
tim pool
Look at this tiny little...
seamus coughlin
I just want to mention, and keep that chart up, because it'll help me make my point.
This is the scumbag who, after Christian children were murdered by a trans shooter, was joking about it on Twitter, saying, oh, I guess their prayers didn't work.
That was the attitude he had about little Christian kids getting killed, and then he loses 5,000 subscribers, and look how somber he is.
Oh, this is horrible.
I try to put a positive spin on things, but this is just too much for my little heart to bear.
tim pool
I think it's fake.
I don't think the left is real.
I sincerely believe this.
And I'll tell you why.
When Elon Musk announced that he was going to purchase Twitter, what did we see?
Overnight, somehow, channels that were associated with the right saw massive gains in follower count and on the left started bleeding subscribers like crazy.
There was no legitimate explanation for the massive shift other than they had their thumb on the scales and once they found out they were facing an internal review or an external review, they took the thumb off.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Same thing happened again when Elon formally took over.
Once again, prominent personalities like these people are losing tons of followers.
My theory was that social media companies know there's there's I wrote I wrote it's called.
It's an Internet law that any sufficiently unmoderated form will become right wing.
I don't know if it's for chance law or something like this.
And so I believe that what happens is these big social media companies are like, hey, look, look at X.
It shifts to the right.
Look at YouTube.
We have to go in there and force it to be middle of the road, which basically means we're going to ban conservatives and prop up liberals.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So, Dave, what is David Pakman actually seeing?
I believe it's probably fake accounts.
Now that the election is over, the fake accounts that were being used to prop up his channels to make it look like there was support for the left are no longer being funded properly, and they're shutting down.
I don't know that that's true.
I'm just saying it like this.
During the election, the left wants to make liberalism and leftism and these politicians look prominent and they use bots to prop accounts up.
Once the money is gone because they're massively in debt and they've lost, the followers are gone.
michael j knowles
I noticed that in the height of the Republican primary even, and then I especially saw it up through the general, just on X even.
I'd see all, you know, you get flooded with all these really nasty comments.
And there's always some nasty comments, but it really spikes.
And then I'll tell you, after election night, my nasty comments on X, and by the way, I have been kind of mean on X. I've actually increased the vitriol.
But the nasty comments from the left, supposedly, More or less disappeared.
Probably dropped 80%.
phil labonte
I have said some of the most horrible things imaginable on X. I've mostly just retweeted predictions that I bookmarked from left-wing people.
tim pool
Let's hear from David a little bit more.
unidentified
As you can see, subscribers just go up, up, up, up, and they are down.
It is not just YouTube subscribers.
We are seeing record cancellations of paid membership.
Wow!
Record cancellations.
seamus coughlin
Dave, you should pray about it.
You should try praying.
unidentified
These are the people that keep the show running.
Now, for a moment, I thought, If it's just YouTube, maybe YouTube is purging people who are inactive subscribers and once a year usually YouTube does this and you see a little decline and then numbers go back up.
They're not doing it.
They're not doing it and if that were the case we wouldn't be seeing paid membership cancellations on the website.
So now I understand what is going on.
It's terrifying but it is happening.
A lot of people are checking out.
tim pool
No, I still think it's bots.
I think that his memberships may have been largely fake.
And I'm not trying to be a dick and dig at David Pakman.
I genuinely think that bots go after everybody.
I believe that everybody has a degree of bots attacking their accounts for some reason or another.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
I don't think there's a large amount.
Paid memberships is interesting.
That's less likely to be fake.
So I do think there's probably a lot of people checking out.
I believe that component is that David has been misinforming people and they realized it last night when they said, how am I in the minority?
I thought we were going to have the popular vote at least, even if Trump won.
They realized I'm on the wrong side of history and these people are genuinely terrified of being on the wrong side of history.
That's why the activists chant.
On the streets to police officers and small businesses, you're on the wrong side of history.
So what do you think a liberal who's scared of that is thinking when they wake up and say, David Pakman is the wrong side of history and he led me astray?
phil labonte
I think that it's just a matter of people are kind of realizing that men can't become women.
And the left has been leading people astray.
The left doesn't have policies that people like.
michael j knowles
But you know what really hit him, too?
I mean, I agree with that, and I think that was so glaring to a lot of people.
But even beyond that, Trump won the popular vote, which doesn't matter legally, but it matters because it took away the one big talking point that they had.
Well, this is a, you know, the real democracy was, no, actually most people voted for Trump.
And then the fact that black men disproportionately voted for Trump and Hispanics disproportionately voted for Trump and even women started moving.
Because of that, what are they supposed to conclude?
There's no good oppressor narrative anymore on any front.
So I think in as much as they are capable of introspection, I think they had to come to the conclusion, yikes, maybe I've been looking at this a little bit wrong.
phil labonte
I am interested to hear what he has to say further.
unidentified
I heard anecdotally from a couple dozen people who said, you know, David, I just can't do it anymore.
I just can't do it.
I'm checking out.
I'm out.
And the reason that this is terrifying, not only because it puts everybody in left-wing media's livelihoods at stake and at risk, it terrifies me because our instinct is the opposite of what the right does.
And we will get crushed if this is the way we respond to a defeat.
michael j knowles
Hear, hear.
unidentified
That's a good point.
The right wants us not to exist.
The right wants to decimate independent progressive media.
tim pool
No, they don't.
unidentified
And so when I lose 5,000...
tim pool
Can I just point out, this guy's got 2.64 million followers and he lost 5,000 and he's having a breakdown over it.
I have told you guys this, you watch the show, what did I say?
Whenever you see a YouTuber make a video where they're like, oh, woe is me, I'm so miserable, you can usually look at their numbers and see, like, they lost subscribers or viewers or something like that.
phil labonte
David, I got a cup you can cry into here.
michael j knowles
Should we send it over?
seamus coughlin
I think it's embarrassing, dude.
It's embarrassing when right-wingers do it, too.
unidentified
And everybody's losing thousands of subscribers.
Understand that when the right loses, they get organized, they fund, and they create insanely effective organizations like Turning Point USA. Here we go.
Investing in the Daily Wire and building out this huge network of right wing ideas and influencers.
michael j knowles
This guy's making a lot of sense.
unidentified
He's feeling burnt out.
seamus coughlin
Maybe I'll subscribe.
unidentified
I encourage you, take a break until the inauguration.
It's months, okay?
Mental health break, do it.
But when we start canceling the subscriptions...
michael j knowles
But don't take my money away.
unidentified
...algorithmic desubscription spiral right now.
Because when people start unsubscribing on YouTube, YouTube thinks, oh, we probably shouldn't recommend this content because it's generating a lot of unsubscribes.
So then the content doesn't get recommended.
And then the message doesn't get out.
And then next election, they win by even more.
seamus coughlin
Yes, that's right.
michael j knowles
There's one thing you said that's not true.
unidentified
I do understand the instinct...
But if we cede ground to them, they crush us everywhere.
Now, we're up against a MAGA Supreme Court potentially till 2050.
We'll talk about that later.
We're up against a completely uninhibited Trump.
I actually have an entire chapter in my forthcoming book, The Echo Machine, about exactly this.
It's actually, it's not, it's the introduction.
In the introduction, I explain.
How it's disgusting to me, it's disgusting to me, that when you engage in politics, you've got to convince people climate change is even happening.
You can't just find solutions because half the country doesn't even accept the science of vaccines.
tim pool
David, I just want to mention, when the people who are claiming climate change is happening by beachfront properties that are supposed to be underwater in 20 to 30 years, it's really hard to trust them.
elad eliahu
It's rich of him to fearmonger about Daily Wire and Turning Point USA as though they have more influence than the media dominated by the leftists.
CNN, MSNBC, The Young Turks.
michael j knowles
I'll tell you what, though.
unidentified
Also make the point in the book that if you actually care about the world for ourselves, children, grandchildren, other people, families, friends, people we care about, when you disengage because they've gotten so extreme, You cede ground to them and you say, do whatever you want.
I'm disengaging, do whatever you want.
And we really can't do that.
Okay?
So my request to you today is...
michael j knowles
Give me more money.
unidentified
Please re-subscribe to the YouTube channel.
elad eliahu
Oh, man!
unidentified
All of a sudden, in 12, 14 hours, the entire progressive media ecosystem is under a threat I have never seen before.
We've never seen anything like that.
michael j knowles
And the threat is accountability.
tim pool
I love how his rationale is, you only subscribed because you are tired, not because you dislike me.
michael j knowles
Yes.
tim pool
Let me tell you, I learned this when I was a kid, the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.
Yeah.
What you learn is, David, if people don't love you and they're indifferent, they don't unsubscribe.
They just leave and they say nothing.
But if people are unsubscribing, it sounds more like they hate you.
seamus coughlin
Well, I don't even necessarily know that we have to go that far.
The reality is he's losing subscribers right now.
But part of what I find particularly funny about that is, listen, in 2020, the Republicans lost the election.
I felt no need to tell my subscribers to take a mental health break from my channel.
I never felt the need to tell my subscribers, I know you guys need a break from me right now after all of this.
elad eliahu
I first see a TYT and a Kasparian-type plight here, transformation for Pac-Man in a decade or so.
tim pool
Let's see what else we got.
elad eliahu
I think they're going to be in shambles.
unidentified
This is the moment where we have to support independent progressive media.
If it's not my show, that's fine.
Okay, there's plenty of shows you can support.
Consider getting a membership.
Consider it.
We have a code.
The new coupon code is NOT AGAIN. All one word.
Not again.
michael j knowles
No, but that's for his channel.
What about the other channel?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I want to stress...
I'm pretty sure.
I don't know if those videos from Trump are new, actually.
phil labonte
Six minutes ago.
tim pool
Yeah, he's got a bunch of those on his website.
Everyone keeps reposting them as if they're new, but we'll check.
I don't blame Pacman at all for doing any kind of become a member, subscribe to my channel, buy my book.
I respect all of that.
I don't respect him saying, heavens to Betsy, I'm losing followers, this is the apocalypse.
He could have just said, I know, he didn't even say anything.
He could have saw the numbers.
He could have made a video being like, now's the time for us to redouble our efforts.
michael j knowles
But you know why he's saying it's the apocalypse?
This gets to something you just said, which is, the lie was, if you don't subscribe to the David Pakman channel, the message of the left won't get out.
It's ridiculous because the left controls all of the institutions and the whole media.
phil labonte
However...
michael j knowles
Beyond David Pakman, we were talking the other night about how the New York Times and the Washington Post obviously are coordinating to point out that all of us are eating their lunch.
For the first time probably ever, we have more influence than the establishment media on an election.
That's why the Washington Post called it the podcast election.
I do think part of the freakout here is one, I don't know, maybe he's got car payments he can't afford, but the other part of the freakout is, oh wow, maybe we can't count on a monopoly in the media.
Maybe the right actually broke through, and maybe the right's message is a lot more popular and manifestly more truthful.
Oh, this actually could be the collapse of the whole House of Cards.
elad eliahu
What strikes me is the complete lack of reflection on anything about why so many people may have decided to vote for Trump.
There's no sense of curiosity from him to talk about the issues that resonated with so many Americans, and they're so out of touch.
He's part of the left that is just completely out of touch with the average normal American.
phil labonte
I think that the fact that they're freaking out about this is probably...
It's probably indicative of the fact that the, or it's probably related to the fact that there was such a sweep, right?
So he sees Tuesday happen, Trump's back, which they thought couldn't happen.
They didn't believe it for a second.
So much so that they actually ran Kamala Harris and tried to shove that down the American people's throat.
Then there was also the Senate and looks like the House and all of the right-leaning, You know, all the people that moved so far right, and now he sees that there's also a massive exodus, or what seems to him like a massive exodus, from all of these left-wing accounts.
Maybe he actually does have a point, and he has something to be afraid of, because maybe the American people have said, you know what, we tried this for the past years.
For the past 12 of the past 16 years have been Democrats in control and running the show and Democrat policies.
And we have ended up poorer.
We've ended up with wars to two wars, even though Barack Obama was supposed to come in and it was supposed to be the guy of peace.
He got the he won the Nobel Peace Prize right away.
And he might have even got it before he actually got into office.
But he definitely got it very, very early, like right when he got into office.
He got it for just being not George Bush.
Right.
And we had no significant change.
What happened was all of the people that historically had been considered friends of the Republicans became friends of the Democrats.
The Democrats ran everything.
And there was nothing that was better about today than there was in 1999.
michael j knowles
Yeah, yeah.
And also, you know, don't forget with independent left-wing media, they have tried this before.
They tried Air America to be their Rush Limbaugh.
And to get back to that article we're reading at the top, it completely flopped.
It was a total failure.
So there is left-wing media because the left took over the established institutions, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the news networks that have federal licenses.
Yes.
When you actually have a free market and you don't have the left monopolizing control, even on the platforms, which give priority and advantage to the left and punish us for saying normal things, when you start to crack that a little bit and you actually create a market, maybe there just isn't much of a market for the David Pakman show.
tim pool
So I want to just...
Shout this out.
It looks like Carrie Lake might actually win.
michael j knowles
Really?
tim pool
Now, hold on.
Don't get your hopium up.
Right now, she's down 43,000.
I got this tweet from Charlie Kirk.
He says, Maricopa has 500,000 votes outstanding, but the latest drop was 57% for Carrie.
If the next drop that comes in is at least 51% for Carrie Lake, she wins.
With 500,000 votes remaining, he says...
AZ has 850,000 votes outstanding statewide.
If those votes that come in break, at least 51% for Carrie Lake, she wins.
michael j knowles
So that gives us 53 senators.
tim pool
53.
And then you have with Sam Brown, there are people saying they want to see a lawsuit over the late ballots to challenge them.
michael j knowles
I certainly would like to see that.
tim pool
But then you have the question about late ballots for AZ, so it may just split and say, well, look, you get Kerry Laker, you get...
michael j knowles
Well, I don't know what the state laws are, Arizona to Nevada.
The one thing I know about Nevada, though, is that Harry Reid of, well, I would say blessed memory, let's hope blessed memory...
Harry Reid had built a machine that is quite enduring.
So I frankly, there's corruption in a lot of different places.
I'm skeptical about Nevada because that guy had built a pretty corrupt machine.
I'd like a lawsuit and I'd really like Sam Brown and I think he'd be a great senator.
tim pool
Yeah?
So that's the latest.
Should we just watch the rest of what he has to say?
unidentified
the dread that we are all feeling.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Not us.
unidentified
Consider getting a membership.
If you want to understand what happened.
tim pool
Guys, he's completely right.
People, if you are listening, consider getting a membership at TimCast.com right now because now more than ever, we're going to keep going.
unidentified
I outline it in the book, The Echo Machine.
Please pre-order the book.
There is the assumption you can't have a successful independent nonfiction book unless you have CNN or MSNBC behind you.
I want to prove that wrong.
This book will also explain what it is that we are dealing with and how you defend against it historically.
michael j knowles
Just like he explained what was going to happen in the election, right?
unidentified
We'll take a break and get to some other things.
There has never been a movement.
tim pool
Okay, I just want to say, I want to give a massive shout out to this guy.
He is a salesman, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He didn't make this video because he's terrified.
He said, he woke up one day and they were like, oh hey Dave, we're down 5k subs.
And he goes, really?
I'm going to make a video where I act like it's the apocalypse to rally paid memberships and subscribers and sell my book.
seamus coughlin
Well, speaking of salesmen, I just got to say, Michael, the cigar was fantastic.
unidentified
Stop it.
seamus coughlin
Thank you so much.
No, it was really very good.
michael j knowles
Thank you.
seamus coughlin
Wouldn't it be great if you sold more cigars tonight than he gets memberships for the show?
michael j knowles
You know, I actually feel confident that I will do that.
But the other difference, first of all, let's not forget, Timcast is what made my book, which did accurately explain things, unlike David Pakman's.
It did make my book speechless.
It really helped it get to number one nationally.
But the difference here is, David Pakman is trying to sell you some book that's going to whine and complain and probably give you false wisdom.
However, my cigars...
unidentified
They're not trying to shove any message on you.
...victories.
michael j knowles
Listen, I've kept my show on the air while skirting around all sorts of rules...
And it's my understanding that as long as you don't send people to any websites or anything, I think you're good.
Now, David Pakman could sell whatever cocaine or whatever kind of crazy drugs that he's on that give him his crazy ideas.
But I think everyone's okay to celebrate.
tim pool
I have to apologize to everybody.
I was left speechless.
unidentified
Wow.
Oh, it's good.
tim pool
Oh, man.
Just like your book, and everyone is getting us in the Super Chats, but...
jimmy kimmel
Yeah.
elad eliahu
You know, it's funny he's saying this, too, because the last time Trump was elected president, left-wing media actually, it was the most lucrative time to be involved in left-wing media, and they made more money than they ever did, based off a fear-mongering off of Donald Trump.
So while he's crying crocodiles here now, I'm sure the Trump administration, or the next four years of Trump, will actually be very lucrative for him and many people on the left, unfortunately.
tim pool
Well, how about we go to Super Chat?
So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with everyone you know, become a member at TimCast.com.
We have a Discord server.
David Backman, I respect him calling for memberships.
He's trying to build up his business.
He wants to make content for you.
He was very wrong.
I think he's very wrong on a lot of things, but I can respect that we're all in this game where, you know, I don't really trust the guy, but competition in politics is important.
Well, on our side, we have a Discord server with tens of thousands of people, and you can be a member and meet new people and get involved in the movement.
A lot of people are working on new projects.
We have pre-shows, after-shows.
And, you know, every day the members of the Discord say, please shout it out so we can get more people to come hang out because they want to be your friend.
And we also have members-only shows.
We're not doing it this week.
The only reason I can speak right now is because I took ibuprofen to reduce the swelling in my throat because I'm losing my voice.
Nine-hour streams and continual, you know, four hours, five hours of recording will do that.
In addition to not sleeping very much and probably not drinking enough water.
But we'll keep the show going for you.
michael j knowles
Not drinking nearly enough booze either.
tim pool
None for me.
phil labonte
Zero booze.
tim pool
But tomorrow's going to be great.
We have General Flynn.
He's going to be on the Culture War podcast at youtube.com slash timcast.
And I'm very much looking forward to asking him about Trump's revenge.
And maybe his.
But we'll see.
We'll grab some super chats.
We've got, I'm not your buddy guy.
America is suffering from a massive mental health crisis.
Make asylums great again.
Well, wasn't it Reagan who got rid of him?
michael j knowles
Reagan was part of it.
He gets a lot of the blame for it.
At the time, though, you know, they got rid of him because there were all these psych drugs that made people think they didn't need to be in the asylum.
Yeah.
and then you don't force them to take their psych meds.
They stop taking them and they go crazy and wind up homeless.
phil labonte
They take the psych meds until they feel better.
They feel better.
They think I'm cured.
They stop taking the psych meds and they go crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I hope Trump makes New York great again because we are greatly dealing with the scourge of homelessness and mental illness in our city.
tim pool
Yes, but Elad, he would be making New York great again again because New York was great.
It found a chaos.
He comes in the 80s.
He starts building up these luxury towers.
He, along with many others, were part of this reformation and eruption and crime that made the city better.
And now it desperately needs help again.
unidentified
Yep.
elad eliahu
You turned MSG into MAGA Square Garden once again.
michael j knowles
MAGA Square Garden.
seamus coughlin
Also, I just want to point out, one of the beautiful things about this election was that New York came closer to going to Trump than Florida did to going for Harris.
There were Democrats saying that Florida was in play.
Kyle Kalinske said it.
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
That's why they're unsubscribing me, idiots.
tim pool
They're like, you told me Iowa was going to go for Democrats.
And then they were like, Trump won every swing state.
Look, I've been to all these protests.
The leftists and the liberals march and they go, you're on the wrong side of history.
The whole world is watching.
The whole world is watching.
And I'm like, guess what?
The majority of this country thinks you are on the wrong side of history.
This is what terrifies them.
Understand we know about liberal and leftist projection.
Oh no, Trump's going to start rounding up his political opponents.
They're saying that because they're doing it.
And now they're worried it'll happen to them.
When they chant you're on the wrong side of history, they're telling you their greatest fear.
The reason why so many liberals, I shouldn't say liberals, but regular people don't speak up.
They stand back and they keep their mouths shut and let all the bad stuff happen is because they're worried that they're going to be in the minority.
Well, guess what?
That's why I've been screeching for the past couple of weeks.
The popular vote is the most important thing we get.
Well, it's not the most important.
Obviously, Trump having power is.
But we need the popular vote because it terrifies the weak-willed liberals.
They are now the wrong side of history.
That's why I've been tweeting it to everyone.
Harry Sisson, Dean Withers, whatever they say.
I just say you're on the wrong side of history.
michael j knowles
By the way, this was a big part of why Trump did that MSG rally.
It's the only Trump rally that I've been able to make it to.
And I made a specific point to go because I thought it was so bold, so brazen.
And I thought, why is he campaigning in New York?
First of all, it was an amazing show.
But it was pretty clear then.
This guy was making a play not only to win in the Electoral College.
He was making a play to win the popular vote.
And it worked.
elad eliahu
And that popular vote helps give him a mandate and credibility to move forward with his agenda here.
seamus coughlin
Amen.
Amen.
It's a beautiful thing.
It's a beautiful thing.
I just love that they don't have that complaint this time.
I wouldn't have cared if they did.
Because every single time a Republican wins the presidential election and they don't get the popular vote, the left goes, yeah, he won at chess, but what about checkers?
That's not the game we're playing right now.
michael j knowles
Also, if they played the popular vote game, then Trump would just campaign in California and New York and he'd win the popular vote by a lot, which he didn't.
elad eliahu
Well, this is a BS thing people use to reject him as president to when he won last time, and I'm just glad they don't have that BS to hold their hat on this time as well.
tim pool
Wyatt Caldenberg says, Governor Shapiro has been cracking down on the Amish.
Normally, they don't vote.
A gay man named Scott met with them and got many to vote to stop their persecution.
This could make a great American movie.
michael j knowles
That could.
You know, there's a lot here that's kind of improbable if you ask someone 20 years ago, like, hey, will the host of The Apprentice go on the show of the host of Fear Factor and have that be a major political event?
And then will the host of The Apprentice, the billionaire playboy, bring peace to the Middle East?
All of those things happen.
tim pool
That's great.
My pitch for Sheamus is a cartoon where it's a guy on the side of the road, all haggard and homeless, shaking, and it's the year 2003, or it's like 2009.
The guy from the reality TV show, the most popular on NBC, is going to go on the other reality TV shows.
It's the biggest show in the world.
The biggest show everybody's watching.
And he's going to say, you should be the president.
And then he wins the presidency.
And they're going to be like, calm down, sir.
michael j knowles
Take those meds.
seamus coughlin
We did a cartoon a few months ago about a time traveler, and he goes back to the year 2008.
He's like...
J.K. Rowling is leading a genocide!
And everyone's like, the children's over?
Like, it's just a liberal saying, like, liberal talking points from today to people in 2008.
And they're like, this guy, he says he's from the future.
Right.
Like, this guy's a lunatic.
He's like, you're giving sex changes to children.
They're like, okay.
tim pool
Donald Trump is going to be president.
unidentified
Oh, jeez.
tim pool
Alright, Seacowboy says, with the greater Idaho movement gaining more traction, I would like to propose a greater West Virginia movement involving Western Virginia.
You wouldn't even have to change the state names.
Western Maryland has already written letters asking West Virginia to annex them.
elad eliahu
To liberate them.
tim pool
Oh, dude.
The western panhandle of Maryland is MAGA country.
MAGA country.
Sorry.
You go to these bars, these restaurants.
We drove a couple hours in the western panhandle, went to a bar, and they had the picture of Donald Trump riding the Velociraptor with machine guns.
And I'm like...
This is a blue state?
michael j knowles
This is why the Republicans need Dick Cheney back, is because we need Cheney to send the F-16s into Maryland to liberate the West Maryland people from oppression.
tim pool
The F-16s can't do it.
You need ground troops.
So we're going to need to mobilize the West Virginia...
They don't actually have the state army.
No, they'll welcome us as liberators.
michael j knowles
They will.
They truly will.
tim pool
Well, owning property in Maryland...
There's a big sign that's like 20 feet and it says swamp 40 miles that way.
He's one of our neighbors.
He's got these huge signs saying Trump.
That was our old studio, by the way, in Maryland.
But yeah, it is definitely mega country.
Alright, let's go.
An orange sea lion says, the election has been wild.
Thank you, Trump.
I wish you would have left these lefties speechless just like the number one bestseller by Michael Knowles.
michael j knowles
You know, the TimCast listeners, and specifically the Super Chatters, are the most wonderfully Obsessively one-minded people in the world, and I am so grateful for it.
Thank you.
tim pool
When we had Klavan on the other day, he was talking about his book, and I was like, you need to turn your book into a meme that everyone wants to be a part of, because we still get super chats periodically that sell your book.
michael j knowles
My book from two years ago.
Three years ago, maybe.
Three years ago.
tim pool
And sometimes people will do it because it's a throwback joke.
And then I start reading the Super Chat and halfway through it turns into an advertisement for your book.
michael j knowles
This is the other great...
tim pool
You can see the spikes when it happens.
michael j knowles
The other great return...
It's the opposite of what Pacman sees.
The other great return for Trump is the return of the glorious, beautiful memes.
They're back.
tim pool
The crystals meme.
What is this?
michael j knowles
The crystals meme?
tim pool
Yeah.
There's images of Trump trapping liberals in crystals.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Yeah, listen, that one's a little deep for me.
I've got to go back through my Rene Girard to totally understand that kind of mimesis.
tim pool
I've seen a bunch of it.
Seamus made the joke on his video the other day where I think it's his best video.
And I'm in some of them and should praise the ones I'm in.
But in this one, it's the guy working out with Peanut the Squirrel and then SWAT cops come in and a guy with a machine gun fires and then Trump uses telekinesis to stop the bullet and save Peanut's life.
And then it turns out the cop is Kamala Harris.
And so she's like, I was just following orders.
And he goes, then I order you into the crystals.
And then she transports into a crystal screaming.
So apparently someone posted this image where they were like, you know, liberals spending 10,000 years in the crystals might do them good or something like this.
And it was a picture of like a Wojak character in a crystal screaming.
So then everyone started making jokes about Trump.
When he wins, he's going to transport liberals into crystals to imprison them for 10,000 years?
michael j knowles
And that is in Project 2025, too, actually, yeah.
Did you guys see at the Kamala concession speech that you want to tell me somebody doesn't believe in God?
Explain this to me.
At the Kamala concession speech, right as they're setting up the stage, A cute little squirrel.
Bears a striking resemblance to Peanut.
Truly a blessed memory.
You're telling me that was just by accident?
Come on.
tim pool
So people are pointing out it's an Elder Scroll meme.
I don't believe that is correct.
So I've played Elder Scrolls.
When you defeat someone in Elder Scrolls, you can trap their soul in a soul gem and then use it for crafting things like this or use it for whatever.
That's not the same as imprisoning someone in crystals for 10,000 years.
But people started to associate Elder Scrolls with the meme.
Either way, it's hilarious to see these AI-generated photos where Trump is, like, hovering over crystals, and there's people trapped inside of them.
michael j knowles
It's great.
tim pool
The memes are great.
And I want to stress this to you.
Peanut was assassinated.
michael j knowles
He was assassinated.
tim pool
But I'm not...
michael j knowles
It was a targeted...
He was.
He was famous.
seamus coughlin
He was a public figure.
My conspiracy theory is he's still alive, and they're laughing at us.
That's why they had him run across the stage.
tim pool
So, what is an assassination...
Yeah.
So powerful business leaders can be assassinated.
Peanut the squirrel had 2 million followers.
And I believe, this is my opinion, it's a conspiracy theory.
The reason the state came and took Fred and Peanut was because they were concerned that a high profile account with millions of followers would spawn copycats.
People would be like, I can get followers too if I get a squirrel.
And then you have the potential for actual rabies because people will go for wild squirrels.
And even though Peanut was raised in a home indoor and totally fine, their attitude was probably, look, if you seize the squirrel, he's going to sue you and get it back.
You have to kill it.
And so they killed Peanut to prevent a movement of people wanting squirrels as best.
michael j knowles
Better that one squirrel should die for the community.
This is a pharisaical line of thinking from New York State.
But it's a fair point.
Also, you mentioned Fred.
This reminds me of C.S. Lewis dying the same day as John F. Kennedy.
Nobody really talks about Fred, okay?
Was Fred not worth...
He was the raccoon.
He said, you don't even know.
Nobody knows.
seamus coughlin
Or Mother Teresa and Princess Diana dying the same week.
Mother Teresa and Princess Diana.
tim pool
They claimed that Fred and Peanut bit somebody, and so they had to do a brain necropsy for, or whatever it's called, for rabies.
And I'm like, oh, how convenient.
The two animals you were seizing just happened to bite you.
michael j knowles
Also, if I were Peanut, I'd bite those guys too.
What are they doing in my house?
tim pool
I mean, that is plausible.
Yeah.
But I think it was intentional.
I think when you look at social media and all of these histrionic women are posting videos of themselves crying, they're doing it because it's a social media trend.
And the state said, look, just like people all do the same dance.
Remember the coconut dance that the women were doing for Kamala?
They will start buying squirrels.
unidentified
That didn't work.
seamus coughlin
That's crazy.
michael j knowles
Well, that is what a meme is.
That is like literally what mymesis is, is you just start imitating the behaviors and desires of people.
So I actually think you're totally right about that.
Whether New York State needed to devote resources while homeless people are like terrorizing women on the subway.
Maybe they could have focused more on that than on the scourge of squirrel TikToks.
tim pool
All right, we got Corey Thomas.
It says, Ruben, how do you pronounce it?
Gallego?
unidentified
Gallego.
tim pool
Gallego has more votes against Carrie Lake than Harris on Trump.
michael j knowles
Yep.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And everyone's, yeah.
And it's these last minute late votes that are coming in.
elad eliahu
It's so weird.
tim pool
But I mean, why would they not want Harris to win in that regard if they're going to cheat for Gallego?
michael j knowles
Well, the Trump campaign was pushing the idea, I think rightly, that they needed the margin to be too big to rig.
There are people who are just going to vote top of the ballot.
tim pool
They didn't even need Arizona.
michael j knowles
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
tim pool
That could be why.
They didn't want to create extra liability.
So their focus was just, maybe they were thinking, we're not going to move Biden or Harris, so let's focus on as much as we can in the Senate and the House.
Either way, they're losing all of it.
elad eliahu
There's a lot going on in Arizona.
I feel like there's a lot of split-ticketers in Arizona.
This was a state that elected John McCain, wasn't he a senator there for a very long time.
michael j knowles
Yeah, it is a legitimately purple state.
And also, Trump leading the realignment of the GOP does mean there are going to be people who vote for Trump top of the ticket who are really not Republicans down ballot.
I mean, I'm not saying there aren't shenanigans.
There very well might be.
But it's not unreasonable to think people might have done that.
tim pool
Alright, this one is, I'm going to read to intentionally get Seamus angry.
seamus coughlin
Oh no.
tim pool
Bora says, Michael and Seamus, my home state of Missouri just passed an extreme pro-abortion amendment.
What can I do at a local level to fight back?
michael j knowles
Crap.
seamus coughlin
That's a great question.
I mean, pray, spread the message, tell people what abortion is, and try to counsel women out of having them.
michael j knowles
My friend Father Benedict Keeley makes a good point.
He does a lot of work with persecuted Christians in the Middle East.
And when you say pray, Seamus, people think of prayer as a last resort, like the atheist in the foxhole who starts praying.
But prayer is a first resort.
I mean that totally without any cuteness whatsoever.
If you believe that God exists, which I think is demonstrable and inescapable and can be known with certainty from nature through reason...
tim pool
I agree.
michael j knowles
Yes.
I mean, I think it's, you know, it's good to hear that because today it's kind of...
seamus coughlin
Everything came from nothing for no reason.
michael j knowles
Yeah, of course.
I'm sorry.
I forgot about that convincing theory.
But, you know, if you really believe that, as I do, that God is real and omnipotent and omnibenevolent and all that, then it is simply rational that your first course ought to be prayer.
And then don't forget, prayer ought to impel you to good works.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But let's take a little bit to entertain this as it's late in the week.
We talk a great deal about politics.
And I say this with, call me stupid, call me whatever you want.
Most of the conversations I have with people who are atheists, they can't get over the idea that That in their mind, they think when you say God, there's a guy in a white robe flying around like Superman.
And when I try to explain things like, okay, before we even get to the concept of God, let's talk about the fourth dimension and tesseracts.
The human mind cannot comprehend what a tesseract looks like, yet we know mathematically it exists.
They're like, nope, flying guy in the sky.
And I was like, you need to get beyond the idea that God himself is as limited as a human is.
But I understand why they're atheists if that's where their mind is stuck.
They're like, that's not possible.
michael j knowles
And in fairness to them, they are actually caught up in what is called a scandal to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles.
They're caught up in the scandal of the incarnation, the fact that God also is a man.
They're caught up in the central mystery of the faith, which is the Trinity, and they're trying to make sense of it, which there was a popular— Real quick, put a second.
tim pool
I'm saying even outside of Christianity.
Yeah, yeah.
God is it's actually fascinating it's a great point most of the people I meet who are atheists do have a Christian view of God yes of course It's a Christian civilization.
michael j knowles
So that's why they're coming to this.
And I happen to believe that is correct.
And so I understand that it is a stumbling block to some and it's foolishness to others.
But it's also true and it tells you so much more about your human nature.
Because you could even start to argue with atheists from the perspective of human nature.
Like, for instance, how do we know atheists?
Anything?
How do we know that things are true?
How do we reason?
How do we have intellect?
If the world is just stuff and we're all just meat puppets, then meaningful speech is not possible.
They behave every day, every minute of every day, as if God exists.
They just can't Get themselves to admit it, I suppose.
seamus coughlin
We'd be speechless.
michael j knowles
That's such a great point, Seamus.
And a great book.
elad eliahu
I think they work on values that are downstream from religion while rejecting the religion at its base and its core.
So a lot of their ideals, they value things like the ideals of the Ten Commandments while not buying into the religion that...
phil labonte
Has anyone here ever been or considered themselves an atheist?
seamus coughlin
There was a time in my life where I was...
In such severe doubt that I would consider myself an atheist.
I think probably around the time that I was like 18, 19 years old.
michael j knowles
Many such cases, yeah.
I mean, that happens, especially to young men, especially in this day and age.
But I think the other thing that we don't talk about a lot, because it's not as intellectual and philosophical, I think a lot of the reason these guys insist on saying they're atheists is just because they sin a lot and really enjoy sinning and don't want to feel bad about it.
unidentified
Yeah, no, it's true.
michael j knowles
Sin darkens the intellect.
seamus coughlin
That's kind of where I was, too.
I mean, at that age, there are so many, like, complex philosophical arguments that sound robust and intellectual that people have tried to make against God, but the most convincing one to me was always, like, not sinning is hard.
michael j knowles
It's hard, and it feels good to sin if you're caught up in vice.
tim pool
For me, it was just...
Learning about physics.
And I feel that I've done a lot of videos about it.
I could have a three-hour sit-down explanation where I would love to sit with a physicist and talk about how, at minimum, mathematical probability suggests the existence of a god.
And that I actually believe observable science and...
In every discipline leads us to a conclusion that I would say is beyond probability.
It's nearly one.
It's 99.999999%.
And I know right now it's going to be very difficult for a lot of people who are atheists to be like, well, he's not explaining anything, so I don't believe him.
That's fine.
I'm not going to go into a three-hour explanation.
But if you're trying to start to look into what I'm talking about, research entropy and negative entropy...
Read about complex dynamic systems and the tendencies of matter and life towards the creation of complex systems.
And that ultimately leads you to one conclusion, that complex dynamic systems increase exponentially beyond our comprehension, which, at minimum, from a human perspective, suggests the existence of a god.
If you follow that math to its conclusion, it's a god.
seamus coughlin
No, I think you're right that the logical conclusion of all of these different fields of study is...
I can't remember who said this, but he said the first sip of the glass from the natural sciences gets you to atheism, but at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting.
tim pool
Yes.
seamus coughlin
But on top of that, I mean, the very foundation of these fields is also something that's based in a belief in God.
You have to believe, you have to have some kind of supernatural worldview, whether you acknowledge it or not, to believe that the universe is comprehensible to human beings in any way, shape, or form.
michael j knowles
Yeah, of course.
You know, my buddy Spencer just wrote this great—I'll plug a book that's not my own.
He just came out with this great book, Light of the Mind, Light of the World, which makes all of these points, and it does so beautifully.
But Ross Douthat, the conservative who writes for the New York Times, the one guy, he, in a column that was promoting that book, he pointed out something that had escaped me, which is that fashionable atheism that got a lot of us, I think, when we were younger— That fashionable atheism did not come about as a result of arguments or the development of thinking.
Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, it came about because of specific historical events.
9-11, for one, which was exploited.
The radicalism of Islam was exploited, or of some Muslims, was exploited to kill all religion in the public mind.
And also the Catholic Church scandal, which was Selectively publicized and overstated, but nevertheless, it was a real thing.
And so because all these things happened in the early 2000s, people just had this emotional, not rational, but emotional recoiling away from religion.
But now that appears to be going away.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, and also, after 9-11, blaming religion as a whole, rather than just explaining very clearly that this was an issue with Islam, was a politically correct way of analyzing the situation.
Whenever radical Muslim terrorists do anything bad, it's all religion that's a problem.
Of course, when Christians do something bad, that's a specific doctrinal issue with Christian belief.
tim pool
Let's read this from Stephen.
He says, I'm 23, I voted for Trump in 2020, and again this year.
I've been a machinist since 2019, the year I graduated high school.
I love this country.
God bless the USA. Stephen, thank you for doing your patriotic duty, and more to the point, we need you.
Young men of good conscience who do their duties to protect this country.
We, one day, will not be here.
And you're only a little bit, only 15 years younger than me.
But that means you're going to be here 15 years longer than me, or, who knows, maybe a lot longer.
And so we need young men and women, especially right now, to hold the line.
michael j knowles
Do you think he used to subscribe to the David Pakman channel?
tim pool
No.
michael j knowles
I mean, not him.
tim pool
I do think there are a lot of people who used to subscribe to him who subscribe here.
But, you know, I also hear the, I don't believe to be true, people are like, I used to watch Tim Pool, but now I watch David Pakman.
I'm like, that's not true.
michael j knowles
No way.
seamus coughlin
Sounds fake.
michael j knowles
The winds don't blow in that direction, I'm afraid.
tim pool
I just don't believe it because it's like, what is your issue with the news article that I read?
I don't know.
It was in the news.
And then you hear a producer laughing in the background.
And then David Pakman goes, I can't believe he believes this.
Politico reported this.
I bring this article up all the time.
Politico reported that Ukraine interfered.
Paul Manafort went to jail over this.
We know it happened.
So when Pakman is lying to people like that, and I can prove it's not true.
The other thing is, there was one day where we both had very similar thumbnails.
Mine was Donald Trump improves in polls.
His was Donald Trump sinks to new low.
And I was like, did I get something wrong?
michael j knowles
Yeah, one of those has to be correct.
seamus coughlin
Which one should have to be correct?
tim pool
It was simple.
I use aggregate polling, not single polling.
And I said, we want to avoid static.
Sometimes there's outliers.
He used a single poll showing high unfavorability.
And I said, okay, well, he's not wrong.
It is true that Trump has tanked in this poll.
But if you're a viewer and you're watching his channel and you hear that, you go, wow.
Then you watch mine and I say, actually, here's all of the polls for the day.
This one was bad, but the rest were good.
You go, oh.
michael j knowles
One poll said that Kamala was going to win Iowa in a landslide.
How did that turn out?
tim pool
Yep.
elad eliahu
Wasn't that a guy from Iowa, like a professional pollster?
seamus coughlin
No, it was Ann Selzer.
michael j knowles
Ann Selzer.
tim pool
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
tim pool
Boy, was she wrong.
What did she say?
She said that she thinks what happened was that her poll rallied people who were thinking Trump was going to coast to victory.
seamus coughlin
Well, you know whose prediction wasn't wrong?
Mudang.
michael j knowles
Mudang.
tim pool
Correct.
Mudang is a better predictor than Alan Lichtman.
michael j knowles
Mm-hmm.
That's true.
What keys does Mudang have?
Just cakes.
tim pool
Yes.
But I want to say this to everybody listening.
I am not mad at Alan Lichtman.
michael j knowles
No.
tim pool
I feel bad for him.
He's an older guy.
His keys are not bad predictors.
They've proven successful.
The problem is that he watches CNN and he thinks he's being told the truth.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So when they say there's no scandals, there's no military failures, the economy is good.
michael j knowles
Trump's not charismatic.
tim pool
Trump has no charisma.
He says, well, Kamala's going to win then.
And we beg him, please pay attention to reality, but reality has a right-wing bias, so.
michael j knowles
Right.
Yeah, the model, if you can call the keys a model, the model was not disproven in this election.
His read of the situation was disproven.
tim pool
Yeah.
But as I am famously quoted as saying, reality has a right-wing bias.
michael j knowles
It does.
It does.
tim pool
Yeah, Colbert.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Anyway, that was his big thing.
Do you remember when Colbert did that?
michael j knowles
I haven't watched Stephen Colbert, probably since 2007.
tim pool
Like 10 years ago, his oft-repeated quote was, reality has a liberal bias.
That's right.
Well, that's no longer true, for those that didn't know the reference.
All right.
ParticleGo says, who had the murder of an innocent squirrel as their prediction for the late October surprise?
Hey, look, man, I really do think that story probably mobilized a couple of voters at least.
michael j knowles
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
They were like, whoa, this is like a Democrat government went in and killed somebody's squirrel.
seamus coughlin
And it's not even just that.
I think part of the reason it resonated with the right so much is it is the perfect encapsulation of how petty bureaucracy just seems out to suck all of the joy out of everything good in life.
michael j knowles
Can I tell you something, though?
Look, I was already solid on voting for Trump.
I bought new cushions from my outside chairs last year, and they were very, very expensive.
Outdoor furniture is very expensive.
I paid probably like $1,000 for a cushion.
Serious, I don't know what we paid, but it was a crazy...
phil labonte
We're getting to squirrel slander, aren't we?
michael j knowles
It ain't slander.
It is that, Jack.
I get this, I say, finally, I've got this nice cushion that I had to sell a kidney to buy, and then, days later, Some nasty little squirrel.
It wasn't Peanut, but it was one who looked like him.
I don't want to cast aspersions on a whole group of animals.
He ripped through my expensive cushion.
Totally irreparable.
It's hard for me to lose sleep over Peanut.
seamus coughlin
Oh, man.
Well, I'll just...
I'll say this.
I think that what really happened was after their eating dogs, their eating cats comment, Trump won the dog vote, and Kamala Harris was very concerned about this, so to try to get dogs on her side, she assassinated a squirrel.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Yep.
tim pool
Their leader, 2 million followers.
All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast, but more importantly, you go to TimCast.com, you click sign up or join us, you become a member, and I'll tell you why.
Every day I hear from people, we hear it in the chat, saying, how do I get involved?
And actually, this is kind of a funny aside.
Some people tell me they got married from being in our Discord server.
Yeah, not kidding at all.
They're like, I met someone and I got married.
I'm not suggesting that will happen to you.
You will make friends.
And every day the members of Discord ask me to please shout it out because they've built a massive community.
There's pre-shows, there's morning shows, there's a morning commute show.
You join the Discord server, you're driving in your car, and they have their own show outside of my show.
It's incredible.
But as a member, not only are you a part of this community, but you are supporting our work in making this show possible.
So I am eternally grateful.
And that is the most important thing.
I say, the Founding Fathers met in pubs and bars where they shared their ideas, and this led to the birth of the greatest nation this planet has ever seen.
And so at the very least, we want to create a space for you guys to share your ideas, and hopefully that will continue this great tradition.
michael j knowles
You know, this is a related story.
I heard a lot of people got gay married in David Pakman's Discord server.
I don't know if that's...
Verified yet, but just to bring it full circle.
elad eliahu
I think that sex change is in the discord.
tim pool
David, you should launch one.
But thank you all so much for being members.
Michael, do you want to shout anything out?
michael j knowles
I do, and I'll be very careful in my wording.
I'm just enjoying this wonderful week with a celebratory Mayflower cigar.
So that's all I'm going to say.
That's just what I'm doing.
You can also watch my show at the Michael Knowles Show if you like.
And, you know, you can celebrate if you want to celebrate, but not in any specific way.
Are you on X? I am on X... At Michael J. Knowles, K-N-W-L-E-S, there's been some confusion over my account because a certain doppelganger that I have was crying during the election results, and I think people, they didn't know who it was, but it's the sort of person, you know, like with the Subarus and the Greek Island and everything, but that's not me!
tim pool
I am Michael J. Knowles on X. My rule was, if you are filmed crying on camera after an election, you don't get to vote anymore.
But however, people were like, Tim, and they pointed out a handful of people that we know and are friends with who cried with joy, and I said, no!
I don't care if you're happy or sad, you film yourself crying on camera.
michael j knowles
That's harsh, but it's fair.
It's equal treatment under the law.
unidentified
That's right.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
Elad, do you want to shout anything out?
elad eliahu
My name's Elad Eliyahu.
I'm a journalist here at TimCast.
This was one of my favorite episodes in a while.
It might have been because I'm still on a high from election night.
It could have been some of these wonderful, delicious Mayflower cigars that Michael Knowles was nice enough to give me, and obviously it was great to have the thoughtful and wise Knowles on tonight.
Thank you for being here.
seamus coughlin
Stop it.
michael j knowles
Get out of here.
Come on.
What's up, Seamus?
seamus coughlin
I had a great time tonight as well.
It was an absolute blast.
The thing I would like to shout out is Freedom Tunes.
We make cartoons.
We post at least one week, sometimes two a week.
And guess what?
This week, we have posted one every single day.
We're also planning on posting a cartoon tomorrow.
So I want you guys to go over to YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes.
I want you to subscribe.
We recently broke one million.
I want to thank you all for that.
We're at about one million fifteen thousand at this point.
Thank you guys.
God bless you.
tim pool
The squirrel one I think is really your best video.
seamus coughlin
Tim loves it.
tim pool
It's so good.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
tim pool
The animation of the squirrel with the bullet coming and then Trump's got magic powers and then the crystals.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
I really hope you guys love it.
If you want to help us to continue to make cartoons, if you want to help us to continue to...
Promote a good message using animation that is genuinely funny and that people enjoy.
Go over to FreedomTunes.com.
Get yourself a membership over there.
You'll get to watch the Behind the Scenes podcast where we talk about the creation of the cartoon.
And you will also be supporting us in what we do.
And there are very many Behind the Paywall cartoons that only members get to watch, which you'll get to check out over there.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is AllThatRemains.
And tonight, about an hour ago, we debuted a new video for a song called Forever Cold.
You can get the link at the top of my X page.
Like I said, I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
You can also go to the YouTube page.
That's where you're going to see it.
It is YouTube.com slash AllThatRemains.
You can check out Forever Cold.
You can check out...
Three other new ones that have come out this year.
Divine.
Divine.
One called Let You Go and No Tomorrow.
So, brand new All That Remains.
Tonight, it's available.
You can go check it out right now.
And you can follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, Deezer.
And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
No going the speed limit in the left lane.
65 and up.
tim pool
And I just want to give a shout to Phil, because we had people chatting, they were like, Phil, don't you know the name of your own song?
Because you're always like, what was the other song?
And it's because Phil is trying not to shout out the songs he hasn't released yet.
phil labonte
Yeah, we still have, we have six new songs that have not come out yet, so I want to make sure I don't slip and do any kind of pre-stuff, so...
All right.
tim pool
Well, Michael, it's been a blast.
Thank you to everybody who's hanging out tomorrow.
We're back at YouTube.com slash Timcast.
It's a different channel.
Go subscribe because we're going to hang out with General Flynn and a few others.
And I have questions about Trump's revenge.
It'll be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
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