Oct. 21, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| you 1135 episodes of this show hold Holy smokes. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| It's a lot of work. | ||
| A lot of work from a lot of people. | ||
| And a lot of good times. | ||
| A lot of bad times. | ||
| But a lot of good fun. | ||
| And this strong possibility that the show is over. | ||
| Strong, strong possibility. | ||
| I am joined tonight by the great comedian Dave Landau. | ||
| Hello, how are you? | ||
| You want to scoot over this way a little bit? | ||
| Oh sure, whatever you want. | ||
| Then you'll look better on camera. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Is it good? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Yeah, we're here at the old studio. | ||
| The old studio where it all began. | ||
| Actually, it didn't begin here. | ||
| It began in Jersey. | ||
| But, you know, Raymond's hanging out, too. | ||
| What's up, guys? | ||
| And actually, I was planning on not doing a show at all. | ||
| But Dave's here. | ||
| He traveled all the way here. | ||
| I felt kind of bad that, like, all of this begins to happen right when he's showing up. | ||
| And I kind of was like, oh, man, I don't want to screw Dave over. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| I'm good at ruining shows. | ||
| So I'm perfect. | ||
| I'm a great guest for you. | ||
| And Raymond was also here too, and I figured for what the conversation is going to be, because this is not going to be a news show, I figured it'd be good if you hung out because you started as just like a fan of the show, and you super chatted every day, and then you came to work here. | ||
| And there's a handful of people here who are like that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Yeah, Serge. | ||
| But you were sitting here already. | ||
| And I was like, okay. | ||
| And then no disrespect to Hannah Clare, who was here, but I really didn't want to do a show, so I just said it probably would be better if you weren't on the show tonight, and so apologies to Hannah Clare, because she does a good job. | ||
| But yeah, I think this might be the end. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Cascade failure. | ||
| Cascade failure. | ||
| We are well off. | ||
| It is not a financial thing. | ||
| We make a lot of money. | ||
| But piece by piece, the structure becomes bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
| Until it becomes impossible to manage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's kind of where we hit today. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| There's a series of... | ||
| I would never call out anybody personally or individually. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| There's also legal ramifications to insulting employees. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| But I would just say that compounding... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Laziness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That builds up over time, which adds more and more workload to, you know, me and Allison to get to the point where we're just like, can't do it. | ||
| And it's tough because we've... | ||
| This is not a... | ||
| For a lot of people, they're hearing this right now like, holy crap, why is this happening? | ||
| I was like, oh, you've been talking to us for months. | ||
| And then it's fascinating because three months ago, we're going over finances and I'll break it all down for everybody. | ||
| We do really well. | ||
| Our members, you guys, seriously do sustain us and that allows us to have what I would call a safe profit margin every month. | ||
| That means we're capable. | ||
| Like, we're not worried that if we have a bad month, people are going to get fired or anything's going to shut down like that. | ||
| And that's why I'm always like, we need members so that we can try and make new things and grow and do bookings and make things good and better and all that stuff. | ||
| And, you know, just the problem is, even with all of that, Without a proper CEO who isn't hosting the show, it's not possible. | ||
| Yeah, you have to have somebody to go to that's not you. | ||
| Yeah, and so... | ||
| I've learned that on my own show. | ||
| Yeah, and you need a hierarchy like any business needs a hierarchy. | ||
| And we have that. | ||
| I mean, we don't have that many people for his company. | ||
| It's like, I think we have like 30-something employees. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're like 10 contractors. | ||
| But it's largely for the external projects that we are trying to do. | ||
| The issue now is we can get rid of... | ||
| We can get rid of the external projects... | ||
| And that's a lot of people that are part of the crew and everybody loves. | ||
| And the challenge thing is when we go through this and we're like, maybe we need to, you know, we want to increase the buffer, we want to increase marketing. | ||
| How do we sustain this show? | ||
| How do we build more memberships? | ||
| Well, the core product is TimCast morning show, TimCast IRL, and then the culture where we're trying to make something. | ||
| And so... | ||
| We got to do marketing. | ||
| We got to do travel. | ||
| I can't travel. | ||
| So if I get invited to go on some, I can't do it. | ||
| Because if I'm not doing IRL, I have to be dealing with paperwork on all these other projects. | ||
| We've been trying to get a coffee shop for two years. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| It's over now. | ||
| Yeah, over. | ||
| And so, you know, the conversations I've had with family is like, I am under no illusions that I have the capability to make this company what it could be. | ||
| And I hear all these things. | ||
| No, Tim, you're wrong. | ||
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You're wrong. | |
| Oh, come on. | ||
| We've been trying to get a coffee shop open for two years. | ||
| Clearly I cannot do it. | ||
| My feelings are not hurt when I'm like, no, I can't do it. | ||
| I skateboard every day. | ||
| I'm trying to do a nose male, not the impossible out. | ||
| I can't land it. | ||
| And I'm like, maybe I'll get it one day, but I'm trying as hard as I can. | ||
| But I am not going to cry and pretend that I can do something I can't do. | ||
| So, you know, ultimately what it comes down to is we had our, like, I don't know, 12th studio failure this morning. | ||
| The new one. | ||
| Yeah, the new studio failed. | ||
| And, you know, my attitude with that is kind of just like... | ||
| If we can't make cameras and a computer work, and despite all the previous failures we've had, there's not a single person here who can make sure that either the studio is operating or secondary studio is operating. | ||
| We've gotten to a point in the company where everyone's kind of just kicked their feet up and said, I'm doing what I need to be doing. | ||
| And then that just means I'm Sisyphus pushing the rock up. | ||
| The problem is people are sitting on the rock. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So that's why I was like, I'm not going to do the show tonight. | ||
| Well, what do you want? | ||
| Like, what do you want out of this? | ||
| That's an important thing to ask yourself. | ||
| What does Tim want? | ||
| You know, I wanted to complain on the internet. | ||
| Well, let's do it. | ||
| You know, so my... | ||
| Here we are! | ||
| Look at what you've managed to build. | ||
| I know, it's incredible. | ||
| So you've got to give yourself credit for that, so why get rid of it? | ||
| I mean, you wanted to complain on the internet, you did it. | ||
| I mean, you started by going out to protest, right? | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, depends on where you say it all begins. | ||
| Like, I was making skate videos on YouTube, and then that turned into, after like five skate videos, filming by Wall Street, which turned into live streaming, which turned into working for Vice, working for Fusion, and then starting my own company, and then transforming that slowly into a podcast. | ||
| And then, you know, here we are. | ||
| So when I say complain on the internet, what I really mean is... | ||
| I was talking to some friends of mine earlier, pro skaters, and we were talking about why... | ||
| I'll put it in my words, not theirs. | ||
| They're very cool. | ||
| Yeah, I like them a lot. | ||
| So for four years, we've been trying to do a show that is built around, we have this awesome property, we have skate parks, we have Willy Wonka's Candy Factory or whatever, Chocolate Factory. | ||
| Why can't we get people to just do something? | ||
| Because if you haven't earned it, you're not as thirsty for it. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| And I've found that in my own career, where it's, you know, I've had falling outs, too, with big shows, which sucks. | ||
| You know, and everybody knows that. | ||
| So it's like, it's not anything that I didn't make obvious. | ||
| But at the same time, you do have to be hungry for your own thing, because then I hire friends, and then those friends don't do anything for a year. | ||
| And you're like, oh, that's why this person didn't like you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, oh, I see. | ||
| This is the problem. | ||
| Like, they're... | ||
| You know what I think, too, is I've been hearing this a lot from a lot of different people who are working small to large companies, and I'm not going to drag their personal business into the public or anything. | ||
| No, and I've regretted doing that in the past. | ||
| I'm hearing a lot about how there's a talent and management crisis right now. | ||
| And the example that I've given, because I have no connection to it whatsoever, is Charlestown Races, where they used to have this awesome restaurant that overlooks the horse track and the horses. | ||
| Every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, you just watch the horses run and order food and hang out. | ||
| And they don't have the restaurant anymore, only on special occasions, rarely. | ||
| I don't know how often they do it, but almost never. | ||
| And they told me, I asked them why the restaurant shut down. | ||
| It's because after COVID hit, everybody who worked there retired or quit. | ||
| Nobody will do the job. | ||
| They can't find anybody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, you know, some other big companies have said the same thing. | ||
| It seems like the top brass are grinding their fingers to the bone because they have a vision that they want to do. | ||
| There's something that drives them to do something. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which brings me to, you know, my friends, these skaters, and I said, why do you guys post videos every day? | ||
| You have no boss. | ||
| And they're like, I don't know, I want to do it. | ||
| I'm like, right. | ||
| You want to do it. | ||
| Same as me, yeah. | ||
| And so you do. | ||
| And then I think the problem we're facing as a country is most people do not. | ||
| They will because they have to and they hate that they do. | ||
| Weak times? | ||
| Weak men? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm just saying, like... | ||
| I'm pretty weak. | ||
| I still do. | ||
| I mean, sure. | ||
| Sure, I drive two hours a day to work, so I'm, you know, we're all ready to go. | ||
| Yeah, I fly from Detroit to my job. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I get it. | ||
| But it's like, again, like, not calling anybody. | ||
| I don't want to insult anyone directly, but it's just... | ||
| Seeing someone stand around, do nothing. | ||
| And then the challenge is, in order to make this show operate, I have to work what is effectively 16 hours a day. | ||
| So I haven't had a, it's fair to say, weekday sunset in four years. | ||
| You know, like, just through the window or something, or now that we're in the new studio, there's no windows at all. | ||
| I'm colorblind, so... | ||
| But it's more about like the, wow, what if I finished work at a normal time like everybody else and just, I don't know, hopped in the car and went down to the river and looked at frogs? | ||
| Yeah, it's the things you miss out on, really, because I can experience that. | ||
| But I'm willing to work my fingers to the bone to make something happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But not if we get to the point where it requires more people and we can't get to that point and it just doesn't happen. | ||
| So then the reassessment is, okay, so the ancillary investment projects clearly are over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's just unfortunate. | ||
| But the issue then for these other shows and these other projects is they only exist off of the work that I do. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| If I show up in the morning and I do my morning show, I get to give a portion of the work that I do to them so that they can try and make something work. | ||
| And I know they're trying as hard as they can and some more successful than others, but it just becomes too burdensome to the point where unless they get off the ground and are able to maintain and manage themselves and make money, we can't do it anymore. | ||
| So that isn't necessarily the bearing on this show. | ||
| The bearing on this show is there's a degree of staff required to run a show like this and it's, yeah, it's, I don't know. | ||
| You can't lose power and then lose your show. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| Like you can't lose power then lose your show. | ||
| What do you mean lose power? | ||
| Isn't that what happened at the other place? | ||
| No, the studio, the graphics card fried. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But, I mean, we knew the computer was bad. | ||
| We had repeatedly said we needed to get fixed and it just never happens. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I'm like, hold on, man. | ||
| Am I going to work 16 hours every single day to the bone and figuratively say I get no weekday sunsets so that someone else can be like, I ain't going to fix it. | ||
| Well, if you want to die of a heart attack very young, it's a good way to do it. | ||
| I'd be bored if I wasn't doing something. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So that's why I'm like, I'm willing to do this, but this requires other people who are willing to do it too. | ||
| And there are a lot of people here who are willing to do a lot more and go above and beyond. | ||
| I had Raymond sitting right here. | ||
| And that's why I was like, yeah, you should sit in this one. | ||
| And then there are a lot of people that are like, when can I put the knife in Tim's back? | ||
| Don't you find that's any level of fame though? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And any level of notoriety at this point? | ||
| You can't run a company with those people in your company though. | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| And I mean, if you know who they are, what do you do? | ||
| Oh, you fire him! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it sucks. | ||
| And we've had people come through and try to burn us to the ground afterwards. | ||
| And it's just like, that's reality. | ||
| Yeah, there's swattings and such. | ||
| Am I not allowed to say that? | ||
| Is there what? | ||
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The swatting. | |
| Don't repeat it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, no, I was here like when they was being swatted a lot. | ||
| Yeah, you were here for one of the swattings, weren't you? | ||
| No, it was like the next day. | ||
| I just missed it by a hair. | ||
| Good, good. | ||
| But a lot of people don't understand too, the swattings were not like cops kicking the door down and storming in and us going like, ugh. | ||
| It was like our security company got a phone call. | ||
| Except the first time. | ||
| The first time, yeah. | ||
| The first one seemed pretty swatty. | ||
| The first and like the 10th. | ||
| Yeah, the first one seemed rough. | ||
| Like Brett was out there on his hands and knees with his arms up behind his head. | ||
| Yeah, but anyway. | ||
| Yeah, the first one was like the cops opened the door and they were looking at me and they were waving at me. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| I'm in the middle of a live show, dude. | ||
| I'm like, I mean, as you're thinking about that, that was 40K congruent viewers that night. | ||
| But that wasn't the night everyone watched an empty room for three hours. | ||
| Oh, that was the bomb. | ||
| That was the bomb. | ||
| You're thinking of Chercast. | ||
| Okay, yeah, Chercast. | ||
| That was when we had an incredible bomb threat that forced an evacuation. | ||
| I'll let you know some secrets, too. | ||
| Bomb threats and swatting. | ||
| I mean, I can't imagine why you're tired. | ||
| Well, but it's not just that. | ||
| I'm not tired. | ||
| I want to work, but I want to work effectively. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so, there are ways to do big shows. | ||
| Like, I can keep doing my morning show. | ||
| There's no issue. | ||
| I require zero employees to do that. | ||
| So, I kind of feel like I shouldn't get paid less for... | ||
| Like, so, I'll give you some stories. | ||
| We've had instances of people who work here leaking private information to far leftists who are harassing and stalking us. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| We've had instances of people stealing equipment, getting caught on camera, and it's just like, these things are normal, I totally get it. | ||
| Whose Fiero is that? | ||
| My brother's. | ||
| Okay, sweet. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| I'm sorry, just... | ||
| You're talking about stealing stuff, and I just... | ||
| You're like, I want that Fiero. | ||
| I want that Fiero. | ||
| Right when I got out, I was like, it's been a while since I've seen a Fiero. | ||
| He does. | ||
| I like the red one I saw, though. | ||
| And I remember... | ||
| Anyway, I don't want to throw you off, but... | ||
| No, but it's like, you know, this morning... | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| So it's... | ||
| We wrap the show Monday through Thursday around 11. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I have to go right to bed, basically, so that I can get enough sleep. | ||
| And sometimes I don't. | ||
| So then I wake up around 7.30... | ||
| So I can eat breakfast, get ready, come in, and then try and figure out how to get the show done. | ||
| As of recent, because we want to do culture war, that means if I'm going to balance family and these shows and have the show be effective without dwindling into obscurity, I can't do four shows a week. | ||
| You can't do it right now. | ||
| Everybody's got content every single day of the week, so that means I need to do at least five days and then record extra content for the weekends so that I can have a persistent presence on the platform. | ||
| Otherwise, YouTube punishes you. | ||
| But it's also just about, like, are you a company that doesn't work three days out of the week? | ||
| I mean, then people are going to go other places. | ||
| If the coffee shops close Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, then people are going to go there. | ||
| Yeah, people are going to go watch elsewhere. | ||
| However, I can't do all of these things at the same time. | ||
| I can't wake up at 7, go in, computer's fried, studio doesn't work, no backups were created. | ||
| I have no means of producing the show that makes money to run the business. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, I'm going to have to do that. | ||
| I'm going to have to make sure that I run and maintain and build the system. | ||
| The first Timcast IRL studio that we built, I built by myself. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| Now we're at the point where we've got multiple people and we've built this big studio. | ||
| I don't know what is what. | ||
| When I built the studio, I knew every output. | ||
| I knew every input. | ||
| Now I have no idea. | ||
| So when the computer breaks, I'm like, I don't know why. | ||
| Why can't I reboot the computer? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And so that means I can't turn it on. | ||
| Where's the backup system? | ||
| It was never set up. | ||
| Okay, well, I can't do morning, night, and family stuff at the same time. | ||
| Impossible. | ||
| So, at this point, it's a cascade of failures and, you know, straws and a camel's back where I'm like... | ||
| Okay, I don't think this is it. | ||
| It's not your failure, though. | ||
| It is my failure. | ||
| Absolutely my failure. | ||
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How do you see it that way? | |
| The person at the top. | ||
| Always. | ||
| I mean, it lies on you. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| That's what they see. | ||
| I mean, I shouldn't rely on people. | ||
| If I say the computer's broken, I need a backup studio. | ||
| I should personally go and build a backup studio. | ||
| The problem is, I can't do everything. | ||
| Yeah, that's a lot. | ||
| Yeah, but so there is something I can do. | ||
| If I set up my own studio for my morning show and I can make sure it works and I can have, you know, youtube.com slash Timcast News, there will never be a failure ever again. | ||
| The show will run every single day. | ||
| I will work a full day of work instead of a double day of work five days a week. | ||
| And I'll make a lot of money doing it without doing a single ad read all through programmatic YouTube ads. | ||
| So if we've come to the point where... | ||
| I have to build the machines and run the show and be the CEO, then one of these things is I can't juggle them all. | ||
| And so it seems like the most reasonable thing to do right now is literally just go back to doing the morning show. | ||
| No Timcast IRL, single hosted, zero employees, and then I can produce content and that'll be it. | ||
| And then I have to worry about running Timcast IRL. Twice today, I think you mentioned managerial issues. | ||
| Yeah, and so one of the reasons I've been talking about... | ||
| Is that right at you? | ||
| No, I'm not a manager. | ||
| I don't know what you're doing. | ||
| I wish I was. | ||
| We wouldn't have this problem. | ||
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unidentified
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I'm just kidding. | |
| I'm just trying to add somebody here. | ||
| I'm not convinced. | ||
| I've been talking about the managerial crisis in this country for like a year. | ||
| And without getting into personal issues on the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So for a lot of people, like, how's this all happening at once? | ||
| It's like, exactly. | ||
| It's like, no, no, no. | ||
| We've been having, like, managerial struggles for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, because you have a good relationship with these guys, though. | ||
| So it's like, how do you... | ||
| Well, most people here, right? | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| But it's like, look at it this way. | ||
| If everyone's 90% doing well, that extra 10% from each employee that they're missing, I have to do. | ||
| And at a certain point, it's not possible. | ||
| Well, and the extra 10% is what each person has to do to actually get it to thrive. | ||
| That's the difference between 90 and 100. | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| Well, I mean, the challenge is... | ||
| Right now, the big challenge is that anybody capable of doing it will do it on their own. | ||
| And social media has created that potentiality, and that's fine. | ||
| But if I go to someone who is talented and capable, and I say, hey, we need a person who can film skateboarding, for instance. | ||
| They're going to say, I'll just make my own YouTube channel and go film it myself. | ||
| I don't need to work for you. | ||
| And I'm like, fair point. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| So then we find someone, and we're like, what about you? | ||
| You seem to be able. | ||
| And they're like, sure. | ||
| And then three months goes by, and we don't do anything. | ||
| What's more your passion? | ||
| Like, what's your enjoyment now? | ||
| Do you still like doing it? | ||
| This is it. | ||
| And so that's why it's frustrating when I wake up in the morning and I'm like, holy crap, Trump and the fryer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at, I was like, and then there's so much I wanted to talk about. | ||
| Yeah, that was a big story. | ||
| I can't talk about any of it. | ||
| Like, one of the Krasensteins attacked Trump saying he's attacking Kamala for not being at McDonald's. | ||
| Can he prove he was at 9-11, clearing out rubble? | ||
| And I'm like, here's a picture of Donald Trump that was from ABC News, a week after 9-11. | ||
| Trump just said he was down there, helped a little bit. | ||
| Allegedly, Tim Walsh is doing DoorDash, so you got that going. | ||
| No, is that a joke? | ||
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unidentified
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What? | |
| Yes. | ||
| But I just want to see what they would do in return. | ||
| And distort it online. | ||
| Thank you for that. | ||
| But it's believable. | ||
| That's why I'm like... | ||
| There's a Newsweek article where they're like, rumors circulate on the internet that Donald Trump's McDonald's job was staged. | ||
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And I was like, do they think that Trump applied at McDonald's and then showed up for work? | |
| People are, they're trying to, oh. | ||
| No, go ahead, go ahead. | ||
| I was going to say, they're trying to kill him, so what do they think? | ||
| He's just going to walk in there and be like, hey, let me just serve some regular people? | ||
| Yeah, you don't, anywhere with guns is bad. | ||
| Even your own shrubs at your golf course. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then I saw a bunch of people being like, he pre-screened all the people who were getting food, and I'm like, yeah, because there's someone who gets shot. | ||
| Well, what is he supposed to do? | ||
| Like, duh. | ||
| Well, so anyway, like, all yesterday, like, I'm seeing this stuff, and I'm revved up. | ||
| And I'm like, well, I have family stuff to take care of. | ||
| I can't... | ||
| Like, I'm spending time with my family, you know? | ||
| I can't just do the show seven days a week. | ||
| There was one weekend where I was like, I think I'll do shows in the weekend. | ||
| You try to. | ||
| And then, you know, my family doesn't get too happy about that. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| You gotta be happy outside of work as well. | ||
| Yeah, and I got responsibilities to other people too, so... | ||
| Well, you'll lose your sanity. | ||
| No, I want to do the show. | ||
| You want to do seven days a week. | ||
| I feel like you want to do it, but you don't want to do it. | ||
| No, I want to come in, in the morning, and complain. | ||
| And I mean complain in a somewhat self-deprecating way. | ||
| What I mean is, there are things that I think people should be aware of, and I also want to express how I feel about the current goings-on. | ||
| And it's, a lot of people like watching it. | ||
| So, I think, you know, the only reason, the reason I say this may be the last episode, is that I have a bit of guilt of like, The people who really are accustomed to and feel they need and that the world benefits from us doing the show? | ||
| Survivor's guilt. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| I think that's a form of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I understand what you're saying 100% by folks who are waiting for this. | ||
| I still wait for the 10 a.m. | ||
| If it's not there, then I'm like, what the F's going on? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This show's an accident, too. | ||
| This show's a complete accident. | ||
| This show wasn't supposed to exist. | ||
| The reason why it's called In Real Life is because I do my morning show, and then I was like, I can do my morning show from the road. | ||
| So I went on Joe Rogan's show, and I told them all, you're nuts, I'm going to build a van and go live down by the river, and I was only half kidding. | ||
| I told them I was only half kidding. | ||
| I built a van with a computer and a studio. | ||
| I think I heard that video of you posting, like, you had a van in the background. | ||
| Yeah, it's on this channel. | ||
| It's a really nice van, by the way, folks. | ||
| What kind? | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| It's a Ford Ecoline? | ||
| It's clean. | ||
| F-150 or something? | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| It's like an Ecoline. | ||
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Ecoline? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's got... | ||
| It's a candy van. | ||
| It's got the big top on it and everything. | ||
| It's real nice. | ||
| It's got solar panels, external air conditioning, or secondary air conditioning. | ||
| Off-road tires, too, because he loves the van. | ||
| Or the river, I mean. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You've got good tires on it. | ||
| That's just because... | ||
| They said we can go premium with the tires. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I was like, I don't know anything about it. | ||
| Actually, no, no, no, no. | ||
| The first tires were small. | ||
| Oh, were they? | ||
| And someone told me, like, they're going to explode. | ||
| And I was like, okay, I better upgrade them. | ||
| But the original idea for In Real Life was after I finished the morning show, if I just go drive somewhere, I can set up and say, morning show done. | ||
| Shout out to everybody. | ||
| I'm currently hanging out in... | ||
| Austin and come hang out and we're gonna do Tim Kest in real life where I just talk with random people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I do remember that was one of the first things you talked about, like having like regular folks. | ||
| Like I guess I might be the first regular folk on the job. | ||
| Like you just give people plumbers once a week or something like that. | ||
| Well, the original plan was to sit down and sort of like change my mind or what Charlie Kirk does. | ||
| Be like, who wants to sit down and just have a conversation. | ||
| And literally be like, hey, today in the news was this, like, hey, what do you think about what's going on? | ||
| And I'll show you the stories. | ||
| And it was just to, because I like talking to people, but because of COVID, we couldn't go anywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I was like... | ||
| I thought it was because of COVID was mainly the reason why you're doing that. | ||
| Couldn't travel anymore. | ||
| I used to fly on two flights every week when I worked for these other companies. | ||
| Yeah, during COVID, I just kept traveling, but it was... | ||
| It was very hard. | ||
| You weren't supposed to, but it's like, if you're short, you can just walk past people in the military and just keep moving. | ||
| They don't notice. | ||
| They're looking up. | ||
| Yeah, I'll be like, I gotta pee. | ||
| I'll be right back. | ||
| They're like, yeah, he'll come back. | ||
| He'll be afraid. | ||
| And then I just walk out the door. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| I did an entire year in New York. | ||
| Sorry if that's still a crime, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, we were in Jersey. | ||
| Turns out the virus might be not as bad. | ||
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The show got very big. | |
| Yes, it did. | ||
| It got big, and then I was like, okay, well, I mean, you know, maybe we'll do something like this. | ||
| Like, don't stop now. | ||
| I mean, we seem to, we're on a roll. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is some reality that I think I've talked about before, though, but I used to get on youtube.com slash timcast the 4pm video, a single half an hour video, would get anywhere from 300,000 to 500,000 views. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Your 4pm's my favorite back in the day. | ||
| Yeah, and... | ||
| I never really did any legit ad reads. | ||
| So I'm talking like Daily Wire style ad reads. | ||
| I'll tell you, me neither, but that's just because not a great reader. | ||
| Well, if I did sell them, 500,000 could be like 10 to 15 grand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For one read on one video. | ||
| Imagine if I was getting that every single day. | ||
| I wasn't doing that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so then I had YouTube.com slash Timcast News. | ||
| And between the two of them, it was like three to four million per day. | ||
| And I think it was upwards of like 60, 70 million a month. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Damn. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I will stress now, like a lot of these other channels are getting like 100 to 150 million, but those are including shorts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is a lot easier to produce. | ||
| So, you know. | ||
| You have a Clips channel, though. | ||
| For IRL? Yeah. | ||
| The Clips are on IRL. It's the same channel. | ||
| Yeah, same channel. | ||
| Oh, it is the same channel. | ||
| Yeah, same channel post later, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and there's pros and cons to that. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's like, if the people are going to watch the show every night anyway, then they don't need a notification. | ||
| Yeah, ours is both where, yeah, you follow that algorithm, but then it doesn't know if you want to be a long show or a short show, and you can't figure out any of it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But then doesn't it change to how when people are searching for the show, you get a clip, clip, clip, and they want the 20-minute version? | ||
| The 20 minute version of... | ||
| You say you do clips, or maybe not IRL, but your morning shows or anything. | ||
| The morning shows have always been segments that I would just upload throughout the day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| What I was going to say is, when we started IRL, it cannibalized the morning show. | ||
| So the morning show peaked at the 34th biggest podcast in the world. | ||
| And... | ||
| When IRL launched, half the viewers stopped watching that and started going to the audio Timcast IRL show. | ||
| And I said, no, I don't know. | ||
| People probably like the conversation nature of it more than the monologuing show. | ||
| But, same, you know. | ||
| So then, now the Tim Pool Morning Show, Tim Pool Daily News Show or whatever, is... | ||
| Not in the top 200. | ||
| Sometimes it jumps up to like 190, but then it falls off again. | ||
| And Tim Castile, I think, was raising like number 160 in the world. | ||
| But that's audio side. | ||
| YouTube side, we do get... | ||
| It's a big show, and we get a lot of views. | ||
| I'm 20,006. | ||
| Is that what your number is? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm guessing it's lower. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But, you know, so anyway, it's like, it comes to a point where it's like, now I'm working 16 hours a day for a diminishing return. | ||
| Whereas before, I could have been getting 60, 70 million just up doing a morning show, being done with work by 4 p.m., being able to do family stuff, plan investments, maybe work on skateboard videos. | ||
| If I wasn't doing... | ||
| And so IRL is basically a diminishing return where now there's just 15 Tim Pool videos going up every single day and only so many Tim Pool fans. | ||
| So it's like if I consolidated it down, would we get 40% of the IRL viewership to just watch the morning show again and is IRL just cannibalizing? | ||
| Would we lose? | ||
| How much would we lose? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But the issue is the Tim Pool morning show requires zero employees, zero management. | ||
| It requires nothing. | ||
| I'm not going to deal with lawsuits. | ||
| I'm not going to deal with security issues. | ||
| Literally just wake up, handle all by myself, and run a successful show. | ||
| I wouldn't have to rely on members to sustain the staff required to do a show like this or anything, you know? | ||
| Have you been sued a lot? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I would assume, yeah. | ||
| Not as a negative, I just assume. | ||
| And I'll tell you, like, the problem I have with it is I think... | ||
| I don't want to throw anyone under the bus, but I just don't think anybody cares. | ||
| When I say that I had to write a check for 30 grand because someone here fucked up, and then it's just like, keep calm and carry on, not my fault. | ||
| And I'm like, yo, I'm paying myself less than my morning show makes. | ||
| If I just did my morning show, I'm putting more money in my pocket. | ||
| The company has a profit. | ||
| That profit stays in the company. | ||
| At the end of the year, the profit stays there so that we can make sure that there's a buffer. | ||
| So the company makes money. | ||
| At the end of the year, there's some profit. | ||
| It will go to me automatically. | ||
| And then I try to make sure there's money aside so that everyone gets paid. | ||
| But I do kind of feel like we're at the point where it's... | ||
| And end it all except for... | ||
| So the reason I say it may be the last is we had a conversation today, Allison and I, about what's the most effective means of managing the issue. | ||
| And it's, okay, maybe what we do is we end 70%. | ||
| We would keep Tim Kest IRL, a skeleton crew to have it operate, the morning show, and the boonies. | ||
| We'd have one single secondary investment outside of the shows, and that would allow me more time to be hands-on to make sure that it operates properly. | ||
| But that's more so just like, yeah, but... | ||
| Doing that is still trying to justify why we have to keep working as hard as possible. | ||
| Is your property more for your crew or because it's something you wanted? | ||
| Like doing the Freedamistan boonies show? | ||
| All that stuff, yeah. | ||
| It's what I wanted. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's like, there's actually several big components to it. | ||
| Skateboarding is dead. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| The skateboard industry collapsed. | ||
| Yeah, oh, for sure it did. | ||
| I used to be a poser, thank you. | ||
| Oh, that's... | ||
| Well, you tried. | ||
| Well, I would just get high and then I would watch my friend's skateboard. | ||
| I had a Cheech and Chong board for a minute. | ||
| What year was that, 91? | ||
| 96. | ||
| Yeah, so, like, I love skateboarding. | ||
| I do too. | ||
| Well, not really. | ||
| We've got, you know, some of our buddies are some, you know, big pros and they love skateboarding. | ||
| Yeah, they're awesome. | ||
| And everyone's, like, I've talked to some of the biggest guys in the industry and they're like, skateboarding is dead. | ||
| My son loves it. | ||
| Some of the biggest shoe companies are collapsing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's the heart and soul of the skateboard industry. | ||
| Yeah, they're comfy. | ||
| Yeah, like Vans and DCs and all that. | ||
| It's like New Balance and stuff now as well. | ||
| Vans is fine because Vans is an urban generic. | ||
| Yeah, Vans has become like, you can get them at Kohl's, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They still make DCs, though. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| DC's fine. | ||
| Like, mall brands are fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there were core brands. | ||
| I think Soltech was one of them, and they sold recently. | ||
| Soltech is gone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My Booker used to work there. | ||
| And then there's also, what was it? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| - Echo? | ||
| - Echo, I'm your Echo. | ||
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- Etnies, didn't it? - Etnies was Soltech. | |
| Was that Soltech? | ||
| That might have been part of Soltech. | ||
| Soltech sold somewhere. | ||
| Because there's World Industries. | ||
| Is that still around? | ||
| That's not a shoe company, though. | ||
| Oh, they never made shoes? | ||
| Oh, no, actually, I think they did start making shoes. | ||
| They made shoes for a minute, yeah. | ||
| Because they made cargo pants and stuff for a second. | ||
| I skated a long time ago. | ||
| Well, skateboarding is... | ||
| Well, fake skated. | ||
| Skateboarding is consolidating as the money evaporates. | ||
| And it's because you're not getting kids to skate. | ||
| And so part of it was like, well, I want to skate, but we want skateboarding to persist. | ||
| We want young people to skate. | ||
| We want kids to be inspired to skate. | ||
| We want to cheer for that kid who lands his first kickflip. | ||
| A lot of world firsts have been accomplished in the past couple of months. | ||
| I think it was Guy... | ||
| Was it Guy Curry who landed the kickflip body barrel 900? | ||
| That name sounds familiar probably because I heard you talk about it. | ||
| I'll pose and be like, yeah. | ||
| But it's just, it's like a tremendous feat. | ||
| But the industry is dead. | ||
| And so there's two things. | ||
| There's my passion, there's the opportunity. | ||
| Skateboarding is in the Olympics. | ||
| So it is, there's going to be investment, but likely what's going to happen is- You have an Olympian in your house right now. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, for real. | ||
| Yeah, I was talking to her. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But- If the Olympics comes in 2028 and everyone just backs off, it's going to get picked up by, like, the equivalent of a tobacco company. | ||
| Like, a nameless guy in a suit who's like, skateboarders should be wearing unitards. | ||
| And that's where we're headed. | ||
| I think if Marlboro buys it, though, there's a chance it might thrive again. | ||
| Actually, to be fair, I don't know, but they're under a lot of regulations. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I warned a bunch of skaters. | ||
| You can get trucks and wheels. | ||
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Dude. | |
| I'm like, look at gymnastics. | ||
| Do you see them wearing cargo pants? | ||
| I'm not allowed to watch them. | ||
| No? | ||
| Yeah, it's this whole thing. | ||
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Yeah, I'm not allowed to watch men's gymnastics. | |
| With custom, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a onesie where the shoes are attached like booties. | ||
| Dude, this is almost exactly what happened in skiing. | ||
| It's like hand in glove. | ||
| It's exactly what happened in skiing. | ||
| They said, oh, it's not going to be all regimented. | ||
| It's not going to be all serious. | ||
| But then suddenly the FIS is like, well, you got to tell us what trick you're doing. | ||
| The first mogul jump and the second mogul jump. | ||
| And if you don't tell us exactly and do that exact trick, so all the creativity is gone. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| There's no more. | ||
| The sport's going to become like, like Tim's saying, like a target sport. | ||
| It'll be a target sport in two seconds. | ||
| So I've talked to some pros, and they're like, nah, I don't know about that. | ||
| People are going to want to do it. | ||
| I'm like, I'm telling you, when China says we want to win and we don't give a crap what you're wearing, they're going to force their team to put on onesies because it's beneficial. | ||
| Yeah, people jam hot dogs down their throat for competition. | ||
| Skateboarding still has a fighting chance. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| Yeah, I hear you. | ||
| Like, my son loves it, and I know his friends are starting to love it. | ||
| I mean, he's nine, so that's a generation, you know. | ||
| It's just right now, the industry is, yeah, it might turn into a target sport. | ||
| Like, who's quitting skiing? | ||
| Who's quitting skiing, right? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I did, but I quit a lot of things. | ||
| That's unfortunate. | ||
| No, I did ski. | ||
| I fell down a hill on my face, and it looked like 20 guys beat the crap out of me. | ||
| No, that is not good. | ||
| It was softer snow, and my ski got stuck in a mogul, and then I just went down the hill like a Chevy Chase fall. | ||
| And I just woke up at the bottom. | ||
| Oh, I didn't wake up. | ||
| I woke up in the hospital. | ||
| But yeah, after that, I was like, I don't want to ski anymore. | ||
| Is it a true story? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Jeez. | |
| Yeah, dude, I was like, just bloody. | ||
| It looked like somebody had just beaten the crap out of me, but it was just my ski got stuck in a mogul. | ||
| And you flipped forward? | ||
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Yeah, dude. | |
| It was a high knob in Michigan. | ||
| You were going down moguls? | ||
| I was going down the Black Diamond because I decided- Black Diamond moguls? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, because I thought I'd follow... | ||
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Were you professional? | |
| No! | ||
| My brother and my friend Dean decided to do it, and I was like, me too! | ||
| And then, yeah, my ski got stuck, and then I seriously went down every mogul on my face. | ||
| I think I went skiing for the second time, and I was struggling to go down to green diamonds. | ||
| Yeah, it's not easy. | ||
| I mean, green circles, sorry. | ||
| I'll bunny hill it now. | ||
| I disagree, though. | ||
| Like, on a snowboard, I can go down... | ||
| I've gone down a double black diamond on a snowboard in fresh powder. | ||
| That's kind of easier. | ||
| I've done some snowboarding, but I'm just not good at it. | ||
| Snowboarding, I can actually get around pretty well. | ||
| I mean, I guess if I tried. | ||
| Like, Alice and I went snowboarding, and we were going down the blue intermediates. | ||
| Blue square. | ||
| Yeah, just over and over and over again, and doing little jumps, and going through the park, and doing little jumps and stuff. | ||
| Because, like, I've been skateboarding, so snowboarding seemed like the first thing to do. | ||
| Everybody I knew who skated snowboarding. | ||
| But I think skiing's easier. | ||
| It is easier. | ||
| Skiing is easier, but does snowboarding translate from skateboarding? | ||
| No, definitely not. | ||
| Because, like, skiing, you have, like, fall line, your body going this. | ||
| Snowboarding, you're turning your whole body towards a slope. | ||
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Yeah, I don't... | |
| Facing the slope sometimes. | ||
| And I feel like on skis, you don't catch an edge as often. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I especially had a couple times when I first tried snowboarding, like, literally, yeah, down. | ||
| You don't see a lot of old people. | ||
| I'm so happy I was wearing a helmet. | ||
| Yeah, snowboarding either. | ||
| Like, I have four rods in my knee. | ||
| I'm not gonna go near a snowboard. | ||
| And that wasn't even from that accident. | ||
| That was just slipping on keg beer. | ||
| So to bring us all the way back, because we're on a tangent, that's why I wanted to do Cast Castle, Free Damestan, the boonies, is to build culture, and it's like, damn, I'm just kind of like, after four years, maybe we just can't do it. | ||
| No amount of money is going to make it possible. | ||
| If you don't have the people who want to do it and nobody wants to do it, I feel like the reality is just skateboarding is dead. | ||
| You need that person who every day wakes up and says, I just want to go film a video. | ||
| And then they do it. | ||
| But I don't know that that exists. | ||
| The people who can do it have their own channels and they're making a modest living doing it. | ||
| And it's not going to go beyond that because they're like, why would I do anything else? | ||
| So what we usually end up with is, oh, this guy's got a channel. | ||
| Maybe he wants to grow and will invest. | ||
| And they're like, no, I make money. | ||
| I don't need to do it. | ||
| And that's a lot of things. | ||
| For the shows that we've launched, obviously before we launched them, we reached out to other people who are already doing shows and said, hey, we could invest in this and help you grow it. | ||
| And then the deal we would work is kind of like a record label deal. | ||
| Like we'll get a small percentage, but you control everything and we'll advertise it for you. | ||
| No, not interested. | ||
| No, we don't need it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm surprised by that, though. | ||
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Is that recently? | |
| No, go ahead. | ||
| I was going to say that, recently? | ||
| Because it's like, I can see that being two years ago. | ||
| Maybe one, maybe, no, not one year, but like modern world with how big IRL is and the Timcast brand. | ||
| They still like, no, we're good on our own? | ||
| No, no, absolutely not. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And I mean, I was talking about this a long time ago when I was talking, two years ago, I was talking, the Daily Wire made a pitch like, hey, and I'm like, I got a company with 20 employees and we make eight figures. | ||
| Oh, I remember that. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like, I don't, I, I, like, with, I, those guys are great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I respect their, their honesty in business. | ||
| It's, they, maybe it's because they're Christians and, or not all of them, but. | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
| One's pretty, pretty much not at all. | ||
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Yeah, one's Jewish. | |
| But in terms of, like, the people that I negotiated with, I'm like, maybe it's just they have scruples and they believe in something else beyond them. | ||
| They don't want to be evil. | ||
| Not that they're perfect and there are people who do not like them, so that's fair, but that was basically the issue back then. | ||
| It's like, I got a company. | ||
| I can do whatever I want. | ||
| Why do a deal with you? | ||
| And then you can do it. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| But I think that's the challenge with growing something that rivals, say, like Disney. | ||
| So if you look at the way the left operates today especially is they're a – what do we call them? | ||
| Like a hive of wasps or a fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's not – I mean – Yeah, no, a flu. | ||
| I mean whatever you want to call it. | ||
| But look at how they operate. | ||
| They march in lockstep with each other. | ||
| It's a swarm. | ||
| It accomplishes what it does through swarm hive ideology. | ||
| The movies are bad. | ||
| They're bombing. | ||
| Nobody wants to see them. | ||
| But everybody marches in lockstep agreeing with each other all the way down. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| But I think the problem is, what are we delivering on the right? | ||
| That's what I'm trying to do with sketch, that's what I'm trying to do with film. | ||
| We're not making things that are bad. | ||
| We just complain. | ||
| Yeah, and I just put up a movie that I made called The King, and it did really well. | ||
| I pulled it off in 24 hours. | ||
| I was surprised how many people liked it, because that was my own nerves, but still... | ||
| Like, I don't think we're putting out stuff that's necessarily relatable on the right, and we're putting out stuff that people are dying to see. | ||
| I think a lot of it misses the mark. | ||
| I mean, that's the reality. | ||
| If we actually want to rival with something like Disney, I mean, I think you have to put forward actual stories people want to watch without agenda. | ||
| And I think the problem is there's always an agenda. | ||
| The opportunity, that's why I think M.I. Racist, I think M.I. Racist did well, and my praise for it is because. | ||
| Yes, it was good. | ||
| But it was barely political, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, it appealed to like normal people. | ||
| I often bring up the slapstick that was in it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| The title was polarizing. | ||
| Yeah, the title was polarizing to get it, and that's what I liked about it was it didn't go in the route that I thought it would. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's a scene where Matt is serving these anti-racists and he's trying to put butter on their plate and she's pushing him away to not do it and he just reaches over and does it anyway. | ||
| Chivalry. | ||
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Right. | |
| He drops the plates on the ground. | ||
| There are a lot of jokes that are not... | ||
| I would say the movie's not politics. | ||
| It's satirically exploring their own worldview. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So you don't need to give a message other than let's do it and let it be itself. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what I mean. | ||
| I think if you're just being yourself and you're putting that out there, that's a lot more quality because everything else operating out of that side is agenda-driven. | ||
| It's ridiculous how bad stuff has become. | ||
| It's also like a standalone complex. | ||
| They do that on their own is what Tim is trying to say. | ||
| They just do it because they just have this pre-programmed thing. | ||
| They know how to achieve whatever they're trying to achieve. | ||
| They don't really realize what it is. | ||
| They're not actually Marxist, but they're being controlled by people that may know more about it. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| Here are a few good examples that I would consider the quote-unquote right, despite not really. | ||
| Ryan Long and Andrew Schultz. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That I wouldn't call them political. | ||
| No. | ||
| They do things because they want to do it. | ||
| They do it for themselves and they run their own companies. | ||
| Wasn't Andrew's story like he sold to Netflix and then bought it back? | ||
| Or who was that? | ||
| Amazon. | ||
| Amazon. | ||
| Yeah, he sold it to Amazon. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was Netflix. | ||
| It was Amazon. | ||
| That was his new special. | ||
| He did have a Netflix special, but that wasn't the issue. | ||
| That wasn't the one? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, he bought it back for a million dollars and put it out himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so... | ||
| And yeah, Ryan's a good friend of mine. | ||
| He's done sketches for us, and he's just somebody who... | ||
| He's making fun of the current culture. | ||
| Yeah, whatever's funny. | ||
| Even like Rogan. | ||
| All those guys who aren't right-wing, they do stuff. | ||
| But they're suddenly right all of a sudden. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So anyway, you know, my mentality right now is like, if I were to do my morning show, and then either for like the members that want to stick around, do like a 1pm to 2pm members hangout where we do like the members only show Q&A. Not only that, but if I did the morning show, and then depending on how I want to run it, setting a time... | ||
| So if I recorded a handful of segments early in the morning, and then from like 1 to 2 did some kind of interview show like IRL, which was much simpler, and then record a couple more segments, I could be done by 4 and not going to bed at 11. | ||
| So the schedule for IRL also makes it very difficult. | ||
| The other challenges that we have is travel, booking, like the morning show doesn't have any of these requirements, and we don't do Zoom, and Zoom is not good. | ||
| No, it sucks. | ||
| And everybody's like, do the Zoom interviews, and it's like... | ||
| Those are terrible. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to suck when that takes over, but it will because this is a component of automation where it's like, it's not literal automation, but if you go to a business and you say, we're going to do a show with these really great in-person conversations, it's going to cost us X amount per year. | ||
| Then someone else says, ah, I'll do the same show with the same guests, but zero travel and accommodation costs, no ancillary staff for accommodating guests because we'll do it digitally. | ||
| I tell you every time what the business is going to choose. | ||
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Yeah, true. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's why quality fails. | ||
| But the problem is when you put two businesses to compete with each other and one tries to be in person and one is digital, digital will win every time. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because even though the quality is lesser, the output will be more and they'll bury you. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| So they can be like, I can interview a celebrity tomorrow. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Yeah, we can't. | ||
| They'll say like, I don't know when I'll be able to make it out there. | ||
| I don't know if I'm going to. | ||
| Let's say we want to get Jordan Peterson on the show. | ||
| And we've talked to him and he's like, I'd like to come out at this time. | ||
| Maybe we'll figure it out. | ||
| If we had Zoom, he'd be like, oh, I can Zoom tomorrow. | ||
| And so these other people who want to hear that, it's not as good. | ||
| You hear that? | ||
| That was a good voice. | ||
| Spot on. | ||
| You know what I'll do? | ||
| I'll just, we'll have the cameras give out and then I'll do all the voices and I'll be like, Trump and Jordan Peterson are here right now with me. | ||
| It's live in person. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| You bring back Fauci. | ||
| Just have two impersonators all the time. | ||
| I made that joke with Seamus before. | ||
| I was like, let's just do like an audio podcast and you're, you know, we'll do the best show ever and Seamus will just do the voices. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so that's what I've been thinking about. | ||
| Like, if I were to do what I just described, it requires zero staff. | ||
| I would actually like to listen to a show where you're just interviewing people pretending to be that person. | ||
| Actually, that'd be a good show for you. | ||
| Take it seriously the whole time, though. | ||
| Like, never let it break. | ||
| It is that person. | ||
| That actually is a good idea for a funny show. | ||
| I would do it. | ||
| You should do it. | ||
| I'd do it in a heartbeat. | ||
| Just interview people that are pretend, and then I won't know. | ||
| Tyler Fisher? | ||
| I love Tyler. | ||
| Have him do Trump and then interview him as if he's Trump? | ||
| Yeah, and he's just sitting there in his beard. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Not even noticing. | ||
| That would be pretty fun. | ||
| It would be like Between Two Ferns or whatever. | ||
| You could do something like that. | ||
| I would do that in a heartbeat. | ||
| But do you enjoy IRL? You enjoy it, right? | ||
| You like talking and having a good time? | ||
| Yeah, it's just heavy. | ||
| It's a very heavy object. | ||
| The time slot is extremely heavy. | ||
| The... | ||
| I mean, like, it's a funny thing. | ||
| Like, our speakers, we have no idea why, but a channel has been missing from them. | ||
| And even on the new machine, for some reason, a channel is missing. | ||
| So it's like, we were playing two weeks from All That Remains. | ||
| I don't know what that means, by the way, guys. | ||
| So I'll explain. | ||
| We played two weeks from All That Remains, and the first 30 seconds of the song is just a snare drum going... | ||
| Because the song starts with a guitar, but the channel is missing, so it's not there. | ||
| Oh, so you're just hearing the bass? | ||
| No, you only hear the snare drum and nothing else. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we're like, well, we can't figure out... | ||
| Some kind of cancellation is coming in where... | ||
| It's like Yoko Ono, though. | ||
| I mean, there's a market. | ||
| It may be that the sound is doubling up. | ||
| I'm not a sound engineer, but they could be canceling themselves out. | ||
| I think it's just the output matrix. | ||
| I've looked into it enough in the last two or three days. | ||
| That's the other thing, too. | ||
| We've tried doing... | ||
| There's a bunch of stuff we want to do with road shows. | ||
| It's so incredibly difficult to do. | ||
| I love those, but yeah, it's very hard to get everybody together to do one thing. | ||
| Super expensive. | ||
| We weren't able to get our election show going, so we've been planning for a year. | ||
| This is the 2024 election. | ||
| We need to have a big show up and running, and then if I'm not doing it, it doesn't happen. | ||
| Actually, I can explain everything. | ||
| If I don't do it, it doesn't happen. | ||
| Can I talk back on this? | ||
| I don't have anything to do with the technical terminology. | ||
| I only know what I can do. | ||
| But hearing you as myself, who's, you know, I used to super chat in like, Tim, you want to put a fucking TV? I already swore, it's whatever. | ||
| You want to put up a TV? I'll come down because I'm only two hours away. | ||
| I'll put the TV up for you. | ||
| I don't get that aspect. | ||
| When did we want to put, we got the big screen up at Freedom of Sam right now. | ||
| When did we first plan that? | ||
| It was beginning of June. | ||
| It's been four months. | ||
| To get a projector screen installed on the wall. | ||
| What? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| Yeah, but it's already done. | ||
| But the thing was, I gotta make some tweaks. | ||
| The thing was, I gave the information out to the managerial people. | ||
| I'm just saying, that's just how it was. | ||
| And then two months later, we're on IRL Live. | ||
| You're like, it's not up yet? | ||
| You haven't ordered it? | ||
| I'm like, no, sir, because I don't have no say in that matter. | ||
| And then... | ||
| We got it. | ||
| It was been up... | ||
| We got it, and it was up in three days after we got it. | ||
| But what about the speakers? | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Nobody told me about that. | ||
| This is just a thing, like... | ||
| I wouldn't do it. | ||
| The lifting required to make everything happen is like... | ||
| I have to go with a clipboard and be like, mush. | ||
| Well, put Raymond in charge, and you won't have to say mush anymore. | ||
| You know, with all due respect, though, I don't think... | ||
| And it's not personal. | ||
| I just think everyone feels that they could, and then they can't. | ||
| I've done it. | ||
| It's my history. | ||
| It's my job history. | ||
| It also feels personal. | ||
| You don't know my job history. | ||
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It feels personal. | |
| It's you, Raymond! | ||
| No, no, but you don't... | ||
| You just think I'm a fan. | ||
| You don't know my previous jobs or what I've done in my life. | ||
| No, I believe you. | ||
| I'm just saying, like... | ||
| You wanted to get it done, and you handed off the paperwork and then didn't know what happened next. | ||
| Yeah, I waited. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It doesn't matter if you're in charge of it or not. | ||
| That happens unless I, with executive authority, go around to everybody and say, round it up! | ||
| Raymond said, buy the screen, buy the screen. | ||
| Which is why you said there has to be someone that's like CEO versus someone like yourself. | ||
| Yeah, that's why you need a managerial position, like you were saying. | ||
| Just exactly like you're saying, Tim. | ||
| You need someone in that spot. | ||
| Need a CEO. Yeah, who could be your second. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Or third or whoever. | ||
| I don't know how the structure here works exactly. | ||
| That's, you know, the issue then becomes the... | ||
| So usually what happens for most companies like this is they'll take on strategic investment and then a guy in a suit shows up and that's exactly what we're talking about and then everyone says, wow, this company used to be fun. | ||
| And it's like, welcome to the real world. | ||
| We could go that route, I suppose, but... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You have to enjoy what you're doing. | ||
| If I'm making film or you're making... | ||
| I enjoy doing this. | ||
| You're skating, you enjoy doing this. | ||
| But yeah, there has to be a passion behind it, I think. | ||
| It's not so much that it used to be fun. | ||
| It's just like, you have to enjoy what you're doing. | ||
| If they're not enjoying what they're doing, there's a lot of people out there that would. | ||
| I mean, he does. | ||
| I love my job. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there are people out there that are that hungry and they want it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But people do get very complacent, I'll say, when, you know, they think that... | ||
| A lot of that. | ||
| Well, especially if you're trying to be a nice guy, you're trying to run a company, then you can get walked on, and then you let one thing slide, you might let another thing slide. | ||
| That's not on you, I do the same thing, and then eventually it snowballs, and then I'm like, okay, this is bad, you know... | ||
| You know, one of the challenges is... | ||
| I'm just saying that it's not fun. | ||
| What I was saying is, it's like, if everyone's doing 90% capacity, that's pretty dang good. | ||
| But that means 10% has to be... | ||
| For every 10% failure, it has to be picked up by me or Allison. | ||
| And we can't. | ||
| So, we can sell. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I can be like, oh, you guys want to keep IRL around? | ||
| Okay, well, who can I sell to? | ||
| I'm sure people would buy it. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| You know, but maybe. | ||
| But do you want that? | ||
| Uh... | ||
| I would, you know... | ||
| Because now you have a boss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I feel like right now you're... | ||
| That's yes with a but. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| High-profile people and talent are known for their problematic behaviors for that reason. | ||
| Thank you, I'm blushing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's like, at a certain level, there's a person who's your boss... | ||
| But they know that there's a difference between an employee who says, we're going to fire you, and a talent who says, we need you to stop sticking gun under the table during the show. | ||
| And then how do we manage the talent? | ||
| And so it's really a cooperative effort at the highest levels. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So if I sold the show to somebody, it's, hey, I want you guys to run this, and we'll make this the best show and the biggest show ever, and we'll keep it going. | ||
| That would be absolutely fantastic. | ||
| And we're going to compromise with each other on that regard. | ||
| And it's a mutual respect for the person who runs a business and the person who runs a big successful show and makes it possible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As for like, you know, some employee shows up and takes a dump on the floor, they say, get out, you're fired. | ||
| Right. | ||
| One of the challenges, I hear a lot of like, well, you got to get managers to go in there and start telling people like, do it or else. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| Yeah, I don't want to work at a company, or maybe it's just not possible to have a company where people are motivated by fear and don't want to be there. | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| That's the worst kind of leadership. | ||
| But I think that's all companies. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| You don't have to... | ||
| Well, I guess it's always fear of getting fired, but... | ||
| I mean, Hitler was pretty successful. | ||
| You have a good leader who leads from the front. | ||
| People love that guy. | ||
| That was scary. | ||
| The Nazis terrifyingly worshipped a guy who was out of his... | ||
| Good thing we're not Germany and Nazi people. | ||
| So you're saying that I should cultify? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm saying you could learn a little from Hitler. | ||
| You don't have to take all of it. | ||
| Not the bad stuff? | ||
| Just the business acumen. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| And maybe the meth if you're working 16 hour days. | ||
| Yeah, he was tweaking out, wasn't he? | ||
| I heard about that. | ||
| Oh, they were on everything. | ||
| Because everything was just legal in Germany. | ||
| I think it was recently discovered. | ||
| And so they're like, look at this thing that makes me feel good! | ||
| They're doing crazy drugs. | ||
| Yeah, acid and all that stuff. | ||
| It's the first time anyone's ever done it and they're just, okay, that's insane. | ||
| Yeah, it's like a video of him tweaking and he's like shaking back and forth or something. | ||
| He's like, you know what I should do? | ||
| I should kill a bunch, you know, so it's... | ||
| Well, when you're on drugs and your brain is fried, you know. | ||
| Yeah, you really don't know where to go and then you're like, they're all listening to me now. | ||
| I used to be a painter. | ||
| Look at all this confidence I have. | ||
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I used to be a painter. | |
| I know of companies that were... | ||
| Well, I'll just say it. | ||
| I mean, Vice was called a cult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The people there really didn't know what was going on outside. | ||
| It was kind of wild. | ||
| So I'll tell you a story. | ||
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So I left, and a buddy of mine- Were you under Gavin? | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was gone by that point. | ||
| Yeah, he was gone. | ||
| Shane Saroosh and Eddie were in charge when I was there. | ||
| And, uh, nice guys. | ||
| You know, Shane's a real nice guy. | ||
| But, uh, I guess things didn't go very well for how he was running the show. | ||
| But, um, actually, I shouldn't speak. | ||
| I mean, he's got a new podcast. | ||
| He's probably still rich, so good for him. | ||
| But, um, what was I gonna say? | ||
| I totally forgot what I was gonna talk about. | ||
| Oh, the cult, right. | ||
| Yeah, the cult. | ||
| No, the cult. | ||
| So, uh, when I left, a buddy of mine was like... | ||
| He's like, I read the news every day. | ||
| So my buddy's like, I'm like, hey, how's it going, man? | ||
| How are things over there? | ||
| And I got him the job, actually. | ||
| And he's like, it's really great. | ||
| I'm super excited. | ||
| I'm going to be the lead for the news show on our new cable channel. | ||
| Because then I'm like, oh yeah, I heard that you guys got a cable channel. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| I was like, so are you going to move to Toronto? | ||
| And he goes, what? | ||
| And I said, you're going to be the news producer on the cable TV news show? | ||
| He said, yeah. | ||
| And I was like, oh, are you going to move to Toronto? | ||
| And he goes, no, why would I move to Toronto? | ||
| And I was like, because it's a Canadian cable channel. | ||
| And he was like, what do you mean? | ||
| And I was like, bro, it was a Rogers telecom deal. | ||
| Canada's, this was before Viceland. | ||
| I was like, they got a cable channel deal in Canada. | ||
| And he was like, what? | ||
| And I was like, I'm totally lost, bro. | ||
| Did you not know that? | ||
| And he's like, they just said we got a cable channel. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| So what happened, and the story that I was told is that Shane has a State of the Union meeting, and he orders pizzas for everybody, and there's this big room where everyone's hanging out, and it's fun, because I had been in one, and he grabs the mic and he says, we did it. | ||
| We got our cable channel! | ||
| And they all cheer, and, uh... | ||
| He didn't say. | ||
| He didn't say Canada? | ||
| He didn't say Canadian cable channel. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| Masterfully done. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| And so here's my buddy thinking that he's going to be on cable TV in the United States. | ||
| And it's like, bro, you got 30 million households up in Canada. | ||
| Like... | ||
| I wasn't ragging on him. | ||
| You know, I was just like, oh, congratulations. | ||
| That sounds really cool. | ||
| Are you going to move to Toronto? | ||
| And then he was just like... | ||
| You should be more specific. | ||
| If it's just Toronto... | ||
| And that's the whole I'm buying pizza for you and everyone analogy. | ||
| There was an article written... | ||
| All you can afford is pizza. | ||
| It's a Canadian TV deal. | ||
| That's one... | ||
| There was an article written about Vice where it said it's a cult. | ||
| That people were willing to work there for free. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And they had a bunch of interns that effectively worked there for free. | ||
| And then the Supreme Court issued the ruling you can't have interns work for free. | ||
| They have to pay at least minimum wage. | ||
| And then that changed everything for them. | ||
| lot so the thing about New York media is that the people who work in these news organizations you might be wondering why they're all elitist snooty liberals it's because in order to get a job the New York Times you have to be able to work for free you want to get a job New York Times you intern Interning now is going to be like... | ||
| Let's say this. | ||
| Let's say the New York Times entry-level position is still only going to pay $48,000 or $50,000 in New York City. | ||
| Which is impossible. | ||
| Nothing, yeah. | ||
| Unless your parents are rich. | ||
| Well, yeah, which is a lot of... | ||
| And then if you come from a rich family and your family says, My daughter will be working at the New York Times. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Honey, we'll pay. | ||
| Your trust fund is fine. | ||
| We'll keep it replenished and we'll pay for your condo. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And then you end up with a lot of well-to-do liberals whose parents pay so they get a job at the New York Times. | ||
| Yeah, they've never experienced pain or anything in their life, and then they just are able to, you know, kiss up and continue the very, very exciting New York times. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And you end up with a media apparatus in this country that is comprised of woke elitists. | ||
| Yeah, which is what it has been. | ||
| I mean, that really is what New York is in general. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of the comics, too, where it's like, well, of course this person doesn't work the road or try that hard. | ||
| They have a trust fund. | ||
| This is just something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Their parents are like, hey, just don't OD. That'll be great. | ||
| Because most of our family, we're just so rich, we OD. That's all we do. | ||
| And that's the crazy thing, too, because we talked about this a little bit before the show. | ||
| I've complained about it a lot. | ||
| Like, what do all these rich people do with their money? | ||
| Drugs, a lot. | ||
| But, I mean, right now, I don't know what they're investing in. | ||
| Elon Musk is giving a million dollars to people to be spokespeople persons for the Save America PAC or whatever. | ||
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I saw that. | |
| I keep entering... | ||
| You've registered to vote in Pennsylvania? | ||
| Michigan, I'm wondering if you do, because that's a swing state. | ||
| I don't know what the deal is other than he said that if you're a registered voter who signed his petition and you're in Pennsylvania, you could be selected to receive a million dollars. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And the left is saying it's illegal. | ||
| What Elon is doing is hiring people as contract spokespersons for the PAC. The reason to sign a petition is he wants to know you believe in free speech and you'll stand for this. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| Then he's going to pay you to be a regular American who's promoting these values. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't see any legal challenge with that. | ||
| I'm sure he talked to his lawyers about it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, chances are he's got a few good ones on staff and being the richest man on earth. | ||
| Yeah, I think he's doing fine. | ||
| Just a couple of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's the question I have is like, there's a lot of people I know who, especially they do big shows, like, what are they doing with their money? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would retire. | ||
| I just wasn't responsible with it for a while. | ||
| I don't think retirement is real. | ||
| No, I don't think it is anymore. | ||
| If you care about the country, you're not going to retire. | ||
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I care more about me. | |
| I think of the word retire, I see a white blank space. | ||
| People that retire end up dying five or six years later because they lost all their purpose in life. | ||
| People need something to live for, man. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I don't really want to retire. | ||
| What do people do all day? | ||
| I can't imagine sitting around and watching TV or just going on a... | ||
| Oh, jeez. | ||
| Going on a boat or something. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| Or shooting guns. | ||
| Or going on a quad. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Depression keeps me in bed until five anyway. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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See? | |
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| Once I get out and I decide to not unalive myself, I'm a real go-getter. | ||
| I'm getting up every day and saying, how can I do more? | ||
| What am I not doing effectively? | ||
| And at a certain point, I'm Sisyphus pushing up a rock with a bunch of people sitting on it. | ||
| Yeah, because they don't have that same attitude. | ||
| They don't have that same passion. | ||
| And I'm not trying to disrespect people sitting on the rock. | ||
| Well, yeah, if they're sitting on the rock, you want to... | ||
| They should at least tell you where the rock's going or, you know, maybe they're not pushing it, but they should do something. | ||
| There is a hill if you keep going. | ||
| I'm like, that's not true because I'm Sisyphus. | ||
| That's a fine push. | ||
| You had this issue like a year ago, I think, because we, the whole, I remember I super chatted like, yo, you're not the only one pushing up the hill because I was just a fan at the time. | ||
| You know, and that I'm here in person. | ||
| But yeah, I guess it's been an overlaying concept in your brain for a minute now? | ||
| I think that we, as a company, lack the talent and managerial capabilities to maintain this show. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's real simple. | ||
| Like, if the studio's been failing... | ||
| So, two years, we can't get a coffee shop built. | ||
| That doesn't do the show, though. | ||
| No, no, it's the company. | ||
| And then we have to just... | ||
| So that's why I was saying one of the options was skeleton crew, Timcast IRL, and wind it all down. | ||
| But you've got a skate park. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And that's why it's like, I don't know what to do with it. | ||
| You could sell coffee. | ||
| I do sell coffee. | ||
| Coffee sales are really good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People buy coffee a lot. | ||
| You mean like the actual brick and mortar is what you want? | ||
| Right. | ||
| We sell coffee through the show. | ||
| I know that, but like, are you referring to like an actual, you just mean a brick and mortar shop. | ||
| Yeah, we have an old school historic building in Martinsburg, West Virginia. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. | ||
| It's been a pain in the ass. | ||
| It's been unable to set up. | ||
| We've gone through so many contractors who've ripped us off. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They're good at that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's just... | ||
| Also, supplies are, what, four times now what they were just a couple years ago? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's getting crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, yeah, I think the simple way to put it is we lack the talent and managerial capability to maintain this show. | ||
| It exists along with all the other projects, only succeed if I'm the one directly in charge of it. | ||
| So, I come in, we've got two people who do booking, we've got two people who drive guests, and IRL functions. | ||
| Our studio has been failing. | ||
| We built a new studio, and the computer's been failing consistently over the past few weeks, and we lack the capability to have anybody with... | ||
| There's no initiative, nor interest, nor talent to complete the job to make sure the studio operates. | ||
| If that's where we're currently at, I've gotta just shut it all down. | ||
| Because that's like... | ||
| If I can't film myself, I don't have a company. | ||
| If I rely on other people to run these things and I wake up in the morning and I can't complain about the Democrats insulting Donald Trump working at McDonald's, I'm sitting here being like, I'm looking at all of these posts and people are saying things and I'm like, no, you got that wrong because this article says this. | ||
| I can tweet about it. | ||
| That's not the same thing. | ||
| It's not the same thing. | ||
| So then I'm like, okay, should I go right now and just build a new studio? | ||
| I've got computers and microphones. | ||
| I could just do it myself. | ||
| And I'm like, well, we're not doing IRL if that's the case. | ||
| There's no way I'm going to... | ||
| And I can't do boonies if that's the case. | ||
| So none of this is going to... | ||
| None of this exists. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| You know, we had the Cartier family on. | ||
| Those guys are awesome. | ||
| Yeah, they were. | ||
| On Friday, computer crashed next stream. | ||
| Computer crashed right in the middle of the show. | ||
| Wait, I missed that. | ||
| I heard about it afterwards. | ||
| Shut down for 15 minutes. | ||
| And I'm just like, that's amazing. | ||
| Like, we've got a big, we've got a decent company here with a lot of employees, and we've consistently been in, like, the studio's failing. | ||
| And which one's Cartier? | ||
| Cartier. | ||
| Cartier. | ||
| Yeah, it's these four black dudes who were, like, doing reaction videos. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| Okay, okay, I saw that. | ||
| Now they're Trump supporters. | ||
| Those guys are super awesome. | ||
| They're really cool. | ||
| All day, they're super, super cool guys. | ||
| Okay, yeah, I didn't know that was the name of the family. | ||
| I thought of a Blood Diamond company for some reason. | ||
| Cartier? | ||
|
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Cartier? | |
| No, that's the watch. | ||
| Cartier's a watch. | ||
|
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Yeah, De Beers is the one you are seeking legal liability. | |
| Oh, I mean, allegedly are a blood diamond company. | ||
| But if you want me to pitch you on my show, I will. | ||
| I'll be like, let me make the best blood diamonds that a man can buy a lady. | ||
| They make them fake now, do you know that? | ||
| Yeah, they grow them in lab. | ||
| A lot of them. | ||
| They're growing them now. | ||
| It's like neon gas or something over, like, they take a tiny piece of diamond and then they blast it with the gas and it bonds and starts forming diamond. | ||
| Isn't that cubic zircony, though? | ||
| No, no, no, it's actual diamond. | ||
| These are real diamonds. | ||
| It's a grown diamond. | ||
| Yeah, they grow it in, like, a chamber or something. | ||
| I think it's neon gas. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I read an article ten years ago and I vaguely remember something. | ||
| Yeah, no, they killed a lot of people for the diamonds. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Yeah, so I mean, so I hear. | ||
| Not that company, of course. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| The chair just broke. | ||
| The chair just broke. | ||
| You're just falling apart right and left here, Tim. | ||
| You see what's going on? | ||
| I'm a little nervous talking to Tim about what's going on. | ||
| I'm trying to figure out what's going on and how I can help. | ||
| And I didn't know I was going to be here pleading my case to help keep Tim Cass going. | ||
| I think it's like you got a boat with a bunch of holes in it. | ||
| I got 10 figures. | ||
| You're a fan, though. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| If you don't mind me. | ||
| And I'm also an employee. | ||
| Oh, I think we sell it or shut it down. | ||
| Sell it or shut it down? | ||
| One or the other. | ||
| One or the other. | ||
| Are you open to having someone inside or not like a CEO, but someone coming to clog those holes up for you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'll hurt people for money. | ||
| That's something you should think about. | ||
| No, you won't. | ||
| No, I'm nice. | ||
| Cars can be weapons. | ||
| I'm glad you put May, real quick. | ||
| I'm glad you put May, because I think we can salvage. | ||
| I don't think there'll be a show tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah, we need some time to work it out. | ||
| We've got to have some meetings, some team meetings, which we should do. | ||
| Pizza. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think likely this is the last week. | ||
| But then you still have your show, though. | ||
| Yeah, I got my morning show. | ||
| Morning show, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm going to take the components that we have. | ||
| We have millions and millions in equipment. | ||
| Jesus, yes we do. | ||
| Probably close to that. | ||
| Yeah, so it's like if a studio breaks and I can't do the show, I'm just like, well, this company is dysfunctional. | ||
| We make a lot of money. | ||
| Like, money's good, but it kind of feels like we're spending money to spin our wheels if we've got this much equipment, all these really great cameras. | ||
| There's even cameras over here. | ||
| Which one is that? | ||
| Is that a red? | ||
| That's not a red, is it? | ||
| No, those are the Blackmagic cameras I brought from the studio. | ||
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What is that? | |
| Dude, we got a brand new one in the room next door. | ||
| We just upgraded our mobile cameras to A6s. | ||
| FX30s. | ||
| The same ones we use in the studio right now. | ||
| What is the whole deal over there? | ||
| This is Richie's. | ||
| Richie Jackson's. | ||
| I don't know if we can see it. | ||
| The possible future boonies. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You can kind of see it in the shot, everyone. | ||
| No, I'm just curious. | ||
| Yeah, it's ridiculous. | ||
| That is very gold. | ||
| It looks like a furniture store in a mall that's... | ||
| That was Liberty. | ||
| Can you get a camera shot of that? | ||
| Yeah, I got a little shot working here. | ||
|
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Look at this. | |
| That's so good looking. | ||
| It looks like every house I've ever been in in Dearborn, Michigan. | ||
| I think, you know, look, we wanted to launch other shows and make other properties, and some of them do decently well and some don't, but I think the issue is just like, This is probably pushing the limit of what I as a CEO and host can accomplish on my own. | ||
| And so that means we bring in external management, which would be a strategic investment, partial buyout, and then you'll end up with another company running everything. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I hate that sound. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I think just... | ||
| And then what happens is... | ||
| I can lead people. | ||
| I've led many people. | ||
| Throw me! | ||
| A guy in a suit shows up. | ||
| I just think the cost is too much. | ||
| I think there's no way around it. | ||
| We've got to shut everything down. | ||
| And if we wanted to salvage IRL, we've got to get it back down to two employees. | ||
| Are you on the spectrum? | ||
| And I don't mean that as a negative. | ||
| I would believe the answer is no. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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Because you're very, very, like, yeah, like very direct. | |
| Yeah, my friend Matt McClawry is a... | ||
| I think that's exasperation, not autism. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, maybe that's true. | ||
| Maybe... | ||
| Because we've not talked about this stuff on the show before. | ||
| Oh, you've never done it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, like I've never come on and be like, I think I'm going to end the show. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| This is our first. | ||
| Well, you have a couple times to me. | ||
| You've been in some dark holes. | ||
| Like I said, like a year ago, you had like a whole week of where you were like in the down and dumps and everyone was like, don't give up to me. | ||
| That's when you're talking about picking up the rock up the hill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was like at least a year ago. | ||
| It's a compliment. | ||
| I mean, my friend Matt's like that. | ||
| That's what I'm wondering. | ||
| Like maybe it's just something that like... | ||
| It's not the first time someone's asked me if I was on the spectrum or whatever. | ||
| And I was like, why do you say that? | ||
| And they're like, well, it's because you're very focused. | ||
| Well, yeah, it's not like, hey, you're eating crams. | ||
| No, but I'm like, is the implication that your average person who is not on the spectrum is incapable of being a CEO? You have to be autistic in order to be a successful business. | ||
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I think you have to be kind of a sociopath at times. | |
| But I'm just saying a lot of people that are in leadership positions, there is a... | ||
| I'm a sociopath kind of narcissism, like a little bit. | ||
| Otherwise, I don't think that anybody can be successful. | ||
| I'm a comic, you're a YouTuber, let's be honest, there's some narcissism in the room, whether you want to admit it or not. | ||
| Oh, this whole show is like, I think people should hear what I have to say. | ||
| He's complaining on the internet. | ||
| We can admit that it's there, but I think... | ||
| My passion is that I feel strongly and I think other people need to hear what I have to say. | ||
| Yeah, this whole thing is... | ||
| And that's what you built. | ||
| Successfully built on you need to listen to it. | ||
| But I gotta be honest, I don't think it's narcissism if you're right. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| I'm only half kidding. | ||
| No, I got you. | ||
| You know, it's like, people should hear what I have to say, and they liked it. | ||
| Yeah, so clearly. | ||
| I was correct. | ||
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Yeah, so spot on. | |
| It was logic, not arrogance. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, but I... A lot of ranting, too, did well. | ||
| People love the ranting. | ||
| But I think, like, serial killers and some CEOs kind of test on the same sociopath levels. | ||
| It's just very hard to murder a lot of people these days with all the ring cameras. | ||
| No, actually, the CEOs are probably bigger. | ||
| There may be CEOs that are bigger serial killers than serial killers if their means of killing is through circuitous methods. | ||
| And I'm not kidding. | ||
| I know you're not. | ||
| I'm not either. | ||
| Yeah, there may be a CEO who's like, if I introduce this product, we can see 3,000 deaths per year, and they start laughing about it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, there are people that actually have those jobs where they have to decide how many people die or do we get the airbags fixed. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that's a rough job. | ||
| Fight Club. | ||
| Fight Club is when he does the equation. | ||
| If the cost of a lawsuit is less than the cost of the recall, they don't recall. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that's just insane. | ||
| They have to make that choice. | ||
| They're like, I guess this baby seat's flimsy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's wild, man. | ||
| Yeah, dude, it's crazy, but somebody's got to do that job. | ||
| See, they're doing their job, so somebody here can make sure a computer works for you. | ||
| So like, let me grab a sewage head here real quick so I can help you. | ||
| So Blake says, bro, why do you keep saying you make so much money but then refuse to hire some people like IT? We have IT people. | ||
| It's because the answer isn't spending money. | ||
| Money is never the answer. | ||
| You know, I've met a lot of people in my day who say things like, if only I had money, I could do X. And I'm like, that is not true for literally any successful person. | ||
| Successful people got hired or got their jobs because they were doing something already. | ||
| So, like, my first YouTube video, for the first three months of me making YouTube, I was losing money. | ||
| And I was like, I don't know. | ||
| What else am I going to do? | ||
| I'm like, kind of bored. | ||
| Let me record a video. | ||
| And then I recorded some videos. | ||
| The views started to go up. | ||
| And I did the last night in Sweden thing. | ||
| And that was like a few months in and I had one big hit and I was like, I'm in Sweden. | ||
| Now I'm getting a bunch of views and that generated a bunch of buzz. | ||
| And then once I got back, I was finally making like two grand a month or something like that. | ||
| And I was like, hey, look at this. | ||
| I'm not losing money anymore. | ||
| My savings is no longer burning up. | ||
| And then I was like, let's just make more videos and see what I can do. | ||
| And I was doing for like, I don't know, like a year. | ||
| It was probably just one 10 minute video every day at 4 p.m. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| That's all it was. | ||
| And I was probably making like $60,000, $70,000 a year. | ||
| Just doing one 10-minute video? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| One 10-minute video. | ||
| And it started to go up. | ||
| And then I remember off of one 10-minute video, I was in Jersey. | ||
| I was in Bayonne. | ||
| And I hit six figures. | ||
| And when I was working at Disney, I was getting paid a bit. | ||
| They paid me a lot of money. | ||
| What did you do at Disney? | ||
| Why didn't I know this? | ||
| So it was Fusion. | ||
| It was ABC News, Univision, Joint Venture. | ||
| Oh, gotcha. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, and I was one of their senior talent. | ||
| And that was a ridiculous company. | ||
| So when I left, I'm like, I've got a lot saved. | ||
| I had a couple hundred thousand dollars that I had saved getting paid all this money from this company. | ||
| I basically saved all my money always. | ||
| Worked at Vice, saved it all. | ||
| Then went to Fusion, saved it all. | ||
| And when I left, I was like, okay, so several months, the money's just going down. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm sitting there thinking like, man, if I don't turn this around... | ||
| If I use this money only right now to live, maybe I can stretch it out for four years. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And then try and find ways to make money. | ||
| If I invest and try and go the media route, I'm burned out in a year because flights, hotels. | ||
| And then after the Sweden thing, I was net positive like two grand every month. | ||
| And then I think it was about a year after that, I looked. | ||
| It was back when full screen was around. | ||
| And they showed the daily amount of revenue every day. | ||
| And I saw that it was like 50 bucks a day. | ||
| And I was like, holy crap, I'm getting 50 bucks a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As long as I don't spend 50 bucks a day, I'm making money. | ||
| And I just did it because I wanted to do it. | ||
| And then what happened was a lot of people were creating secondary channels in case they got the first one banned, which is stupid because it still breaks the rules. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I made Timcast News. | ||
| YouTube chose the name too. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Well, so... | ||
| I had a Google Plus page or something and then it turned it into... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's why YouTube.com slash TimCast says Tim Pool and YouTube.com slash TimCast News says TimCast. | ||
| Right, your news is your 4 p.m. | ||
| and your pool is your 1 and 9 or 10. | ||
| The pool was the 4 p.m. | ||
| Oh, the pool is the 4 p.m. | ||
| anymore, right? | ||
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Yeah, I do. | |
| Yeah, I do the morning show. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| Cultural, right? | ||
| You mean like going out on the ground. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yeah, it's impossible. | ||
| People were screaming in my face. | ||
| People would find the live stream and run up and start dancing and be like, look at me, look at me. | ||
| And they'd be like, I'm on Twitter. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| So I created a secondary channel. | ||
| And then I was like, maybe I'll just play like a Hearthstone. | ||
| Like I like Hearthstone. | ||
| I'll play Hearthstone videos. | ||
| And I made a video, got like 3,000 views. | ||
| And then I was like, no, that was, oh, I know. | ||
| I'm going to make fun of Don Lemon. | ||
| So I made a video making fun of Don Lemon. | ||
| And it got a few thousand views. | ||
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Why? | |
| And it was fun because he said the Malaysian airline may have been swallowed by a black hole. | ||
| Which, as we know today, by that one guy on Twitter, maybe might have been with the little Sorklin. | ||
| That's right, yeah. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Did they find it? | ||
| They found parts. | ||
| Yeah, I thought they found parts of it. | ||
| That's the thing, when something goes missing, you never find the whole thing. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's even if it's like a kid. | ||
| Stop! | ||
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I don't know why I said that. | |
| Look, you just need enough for closure is all I'm saying. | ||
| Right, right, like a shirt. | ||
| Right, like a shirt. | ||
| Or a fuselage. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Yeah, but anyway, I just decided I'll make a couple of extra clips. | ||
| There are a few stories I saw today that I thought were fun, but I didn't have enough to actually make a full thing on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, like within like a week, I was getting 50 to 100,000 on each of them. | ||
| And I was like, holy crap. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| And so I was like, I'm gonna make more of these. | ||
| On each video? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| 50 to 100,000 views. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, I wish it died. | ||
| I was going to say on a video, I'm like, what? | ||
|
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No, no, no. | |
| I'd join an OnlyFans. | ||
| No, they were like, it was like 100, 200 bucks. | ||
| And then I was like, yo, this is wild. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| And so I started making five videos on my second channel and one on the main channel. | ||
| And I was getting like... | ||
| Holy crap, by the beginning of maybe like 2019 or whatever was when I not became a millionaire, but when the amount of money I made for the month officially hit, if I keep doing this, I'm a millionaire. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Nice. | ||
| It was wild. | ||
| And then Joe Rogan calls me out, invites me on his show. | ||
| Is he a podcaster? | ||
| He might be. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I thought you were serious for a second there. | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| May I ask a question in that aspect? | ||
| Was your first video the one you talked about the Twitter people, or was it the first video when you talked about war and you covering war all the time? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| First video with what? | ||
| You had two Joe Rogan videos. | ||
| At the time? | ||
| But the first one I seen was... | ||
| I think there's four now. | ||
| You were talking about Ghana and a bunch of war and stuff going on. | ||
| I never seen the Twitter one when I first started watching it. | ||
| I just heard you on the Wall Street thing. | ||
| That was pre-Rogan. | ||
| Oh, way pre-Rogan. | ||
| That was before Vice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then after Wall Street, I did a year of just like covering protests and doing social media. | ||
| Yeah, I forget what year it was. | ||
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Then I joined Vice. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, I was on the verge. | ||
| So I had three deals set up. | ||
| It was Vice, Google, and Al Jazeera. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Oh, you were Al Jazeera. | ||
| Well, so they offered me a social media manager. | ||
| Is that where they film those? | ||
| No, no. | ||
|
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I like it. | |
| That's more Persian, I think. | ||
| Yeah, that is Persian. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It is Persian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It comes with a white BMW. Is that where they drive? | ||
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Yes, it is. | |
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't know. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| No offense to Persia. | ||
| It's a nice car. | ||
|
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No, yeah. | |
| You just don't all have to have one. | ||
| I'm not insulting Persians. | ||
| It does look like... | ||
| No, it looks fancy. | ||
| It looks like what you see in an Iranian consulate. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, like you definitely... | ||
| A lady would be sitting there well-draped. | ||
| Well, not a consulate. | ||
| It would be a man well-draped. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| Wearing white. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think, actually. | ||
| I'm not sure about Iran. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've never been. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, long story short, IRL was an accident. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
| It grew and grew and grew. | ||
| It's a heavy lift. | ||
| It requires a lot of work. | ||
| Yeah, I just think maybe it's too much. | ||
| Maybe I do the morning show and don't have to worry about it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I mean, I remember I watched you probably 2018, 2019 when you were doing those single videos by yourself. | ||
| And then I think I like messaged you saying the sound was messed up. | ||
| So people in the chat, I've been there before. | ||
| And then I think you responded to me and said, yeah, come and fly out. | ||
| I flew out. | ||
| I fixed it one time. | ||
| Didn't take the job at first. | ||
| Came back later on and then eventually came on the team. | ||
| So I never thought I'd be here, especially seeing this happen right now, which is crazy. | ||
| I mean, you built it all. | ||
| Do you want to really get rid of it? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I mean, I shouldn't say that. | ||
| Streamline it. | ||
| So that's like, imagine if Sisyphus pushed a snowball up a hill. | ||
| Eventually the snowball's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and now he's holding this gigantic boulder and he's pushing it more. | ||
| If you believe in science. | ||
| And it's like, hey, you've got this massive boulder. | ||
| You sure you want to just let it roll down the hill? | ||
| And it's like, well, you know... | ||
| It hurts. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, it hurts. | ||
| I'm struggling with this thing. | ||
| I'd like to get out of the way before it falls on me. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| But it seems like you're profitable. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean... | ||
| Very. | ||
| So that's how we have ancillary investment. | ||
| That's how we're doing these other shows. | ||
| But I can't manage them and I can't succeed unless they have a CEO managing them. | ||
| So it's like, I'm not going to be able to do IRL, the morning show, and manage outside investments. | ||
| And so at this point, it's kind of like... | ||
| You need a bad guy. | ||
| That's what I was saying. | ||
|
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One option is selling. | |
| Sell the show to somebody. | ||
| We've talked about it before. | ||
| It's like, yeah, but then what happens? | ||
| Like, what are the requirements of a sale? | ||
| What does that mean for the show? | ||
| Maybe there's someone we know and trust and we're comfortable with running it and operating it. | ||
| Or it's just like... | ||
| The question of keeping everything going is, do I have an obligation to everyone else? | ||
| I mean, I'd ask your fans. | ||
| I mean, for the people, more for the viewers, you have more obligation to the viewers than you do have anyone working here, in my own opinion. | ||
| But it is your life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if you're not living your life right now... | ||
| No, he's right. | ||
| I was going to say, more to the fans than anyone else, but you are your own person. | ||
| You should do what the fuck you want. | ||
| What are we here to do on this earth? | ||
| You know, this is a dance. | ||
| Stop commies. | ||
| Well, if the answer was be happy, then I quit everything and I go sell lemonade. | ||
| Oh, I got it. | ||
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I got it. | |
| To plant the tree that others can see a shade of. | ||
| Well, that's a good answer. | ||
| To make a better future. | ||
| Is it duty to others for the success of mankind? | ||
| Someone's gonna chop down your tree. | ||
| Well, they can steal your lemons. | ||
| That was an apple tree. | ||
| Someone's going to kick over your lemonade stand. | ||
| They're going to get their lemonade from China. | ||
| You're going to be priced out. | ||
| That's another thing people don't realize. | ||
| You want to learn about evil. | ||
| You just get fame. | ||
| It's a lot harder to see the evil when you're closer to the ground. | ||
| And I don't mean that disrespectfully to the average person who just lives their life. | ||
| But wow, the higher you climb, the more evil. | ||
| So when you're close to Earth and you're on the ground, evil overlooks you because you don't matter at all. | ||
| Sometimes evil will target an innocent person and just kill them in the street, things like that, right? | ||
| But for the most part, there are a lot of people who you may encounter a demon, I mean figuratively, on the street and they'll say nice things to you and they'll pass you by. | ||
| But once you're climbing atop the tower and the demons all start seeing you and screaming like banshees throwing knives at you and tearing you down... | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| It's a good analogy. | ||
| Well, that's, you know, I mean, and I've heard that too. | ||
| I think it's a Denzel Washington AI, but I mean, it is true that it's like once you hit to a certain point, there's a reason why somebody's going after you. | ||
| It's because they want something. | ||
| I mean, obviously. | ||
| Or they just hate you and they're disgusting people. | ||
| Which are a lot of people, unfortunately, but that's what sucks about any level of fame. | ||
| And it's like, they will come after you and they do hate you. | ||
| And you just kind of have to one day go, eh, I don't really care. | ||
| But there's a part of you that always will a little. | ||
| Like, there's no human being... | ||
| But this is not the evil that I'm talking about. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm not talking about someone going to... | ||
| You mean steal from you, take from you, and, like, kill you, basically. | ||
| You mean backstabbing, too, as well. | ||
| You mentioned earlier today. | ||
| Yeah, trying to murder you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Literally. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Things like that. | ||
| That's... | ||
| And that's just, like... | ||
| And I apologized for that. | ||
| But we've been over this, and I forgave you, so you're... | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I... Yeah, so the question then is, like, if we are here just in service to others, then, well, then I need to find a way to keep doing some form of Timcast show that people think is important and want to keep watching. | ||
| And I can't have my head explode doing it, so likely that means this show, which is an accident, has reached its culmination. | ||
| And it's odd, though, because the way you explain it is everything is quality over quantity, but we're not dealing with an algorithm, like you said, where a lot of it is just quantity. | ||
| It's legit pure quantity right now. | ||
| And that's what sucks. | ||
| Is that what you're talking about? | ||
| You were just doing, like, the other day you said you were trying to do, like, what, 12 shows, 15 shows a week or something crazy like that? | ||
| Well, it was always this way. | ||
| And so I'll let everybody end the secret. | ||
| I remember when I first started the morning shows and my views were skyrocketing and the money was skyrocketing and there were other people being like, how is Tim Pool doing this? | ||
| How is he getting so much? | ||
| And I'm like, I'm not going to say anything to anybody, but you're making one video a week. | ||
| I'm doing six per day, every day, seven days a week with no days off. | ||
| You did three between seven and eight, or six and seven every day. | ||
| I remember those days. | ||
| Yeah, 6.15 and 6.30. | ||
| And is that to just capture the algorithm, right? | ||
| No, that was just... | ||
| It was... | ||
| Or because it was just you were doing it because you liked it. | ||
| I had the time to do it. | ||
| I had the energy to do it. | ||
| I'm going to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then what I discovered is the front page of YouTube is basically, it's a raffle ticket, you know, cage. | ||
| You know, you spin it around and you stick your hand and you grab a ticket. | ||
| If I'm doing six per day, seven days a week, and you're doing one per week, guess what? | ||
| Every time someone sticks their hand and they're pulling out a Timcast video. | ||
| So if you watch one of my videos and then click refresh, guess what? | ||
| There's six more per day. | ||
| And so there's ten slots on the front page. | ||
| You're going to see Timcast more often. | ||
| I'm going to get more clicks. | ||
| I'm going to get more views. | ||
| The more views I get, the more I'm going to get recommended. | ||
| I'm going to beat all of you up. | ||
| It's just a numbers game. | ||
| Right now, the channels that are doing the big numbers are just going nuts on shorts. | ||
| And YouTube has basically... | ||
| So what are the shorts that people are producing now that really do work? | ||
| Find a viral video and then say, this is crazy! | ||
| And then play the viral video. | ||
| We've done a couple of those. | ||
| Reaction to songs. | ||
| For a short, for a one minute. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Can you believe this happened? | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
| To be honest, the funny thing is... | ||
| Yeah, it's a pullover and you're like, what? | ||
| But the host reaction really does make a video work, like make the short work. | ||
| So looking at, like when we've done shorts, if we play a viral clip and just the viral clip, nothing. | ||
| If I were to say, guys, watch this, people will say, okay. | ||
| It's kind of wild how that works with shorts. | ||
| But then the content is becoming super lowbrow. | ||
| But that's how you generate subscribers. | ||
| That's how you do it. | ||
| Right, agreed. | ||
| I'll tell you another big problem with this. | ||
| Another straw in the camel's back is not just the business elements, but looking at the content that's being produced in this space... | ||
| Probably suggests all the more reason why we should keep going, but also massively makes me want to get as far away from it as possible. | ||
| Because I was talking about this a couple weeks ago. | ||
| People are making fake videos now, and YouTube's promoting them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I wonder if it's intentional. | ||
| So, like, there are videos where person A and person B, left and right, and it's a clip from three years ago and a clip from a year ago, and they're edited together to make it look like they're arguing. | ||
| I've seen one of those. | ||
| I saw one of those. | ||
| Is that true they're doing that shit stuff? | ||
| I heard that. | ||
| I went on the front page of YouTube and I saw two different ones. | ||
| And it was like, someone made a video about me using a clip of me from three years ago. | ||
| Someone made a clip of me claiming that Cenk Uygur and I were fighting. | ||
| And I was like, we're not fighting, what? | ||
| Like, we're talking with Jank about coming on the show, but, like, how is there this video from yesterday where it's, like, Tim Pool fighting Janky? | ||
| I'm like, I haven't talked to the guy in, like, two years since he was here. | ||
| Well, if you look at, like, you, Rogan, the cottage industry that has come of hate for Segura, stuff like that, there's a whole thing now that just exists to hate the people that are actually successful. | ||
| Well, Sam Seder's a great example of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I'm pretty worried about it, actually. | ||
| Yeah, he's the one that always wanted to debate Crowder when I was on the show. | ||
| Yeah, and then he did that stunned... | ||
| When he brought in that other guy from... | ||
| I'm worried about him because if we don't do the show, I don't know how he's going to feed his family. | ||
| The other day, I was watching... | ||
| It was maybe three weeks ago. | ||
| Abbott and Preach, they're a big YouTube show. | ||
| But they did a clip of Tim talking about dating from five years ago. | ||
| It was forever. | ||
| It was like four years old. | ||
| That's what I was talking about. | ||
| Old school, like... | ||
| You know, you had the things in the background, the blue and red... | ||
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The blue and black little studio waffle. | |
| But they did a whole video on that, talking about that's how you were today. | ||
| And everyone comments like, what are you guys fucking... | ||
| It's all fake. | ||
| Why would you pull up a five-year comment... | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| Because the whole, like, and YouTube's promoting this heavily. | ||
| Like, if you go to the podcast section, there's, I mean, look, and it's not just me, it's like, I see people making fake videos about David Pakman, fake videos, like, and I'm just like, damn, dude, a guy with 150,000 subs has built his subs off being like, if I can't find the rage, make the rage. | ||
| But this is the nature of business. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I talked about this with the death of media and why Huffington Post beats out Save the New York Times. | ||
| Huffington Post, when I worked at Vice, I was explaining this to people, why media was dying, and it's been dying consistently. | ||
| If you go to an investor, say, I want to launch an investigative journalism outlet, and we're going to tell the people the truth. | ||
| The investor says, okay, what do you need? | ||
| He says, I'm going to need $350,000 a year for just two investigative journalists and their budget. | ||
| And he's going to say, okay, and what do I get at the end of that? | ||
| Well, we don't know. | ||
| We could investigate for a year and find nothing. | ||
| Okay, well, let's say you do find something. | ||
| Well, I mean, if we're able to, if it hits and people care about the story, maybe we can make our money back? | ||
| And they're going to go, uh-huh. | ||
| Then Huffington Post walks in and says, you give me $350,000, I'm going to write a bunch of stories about how cops are racist, and I'm going to make a million bucks in a month. | ||
| I'll make it work. | ||
| And he's like, I'll write you a check tomorrow. | ||
| That's happening now. | ||
| So if you're a podcaster and you're going like, I want to produce legit, honest commentary. | ||
| Well, I got bad news for you. | ||
| Some days are slow news. | ||
| But don't worry. | ||
| If you have no scruples, all you got to do is pull a clip from Cenk Uygur from 10 years ago and make the video claiming it was today. | ||
| And then people are going to watch it. | ||
| And there you go. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Well, we do live in such a time of parody, though. | ||
| Like we did a thing last week of the men of voting for Kamala. | ||
| After that commercial. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that was a good one. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| The real thing wasn't a parody? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You're super gay. | ||
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I love it. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you have Alex Stein as an Indian and then I'm literally a leather man. | ||
| And then people are commenting like, these aren't real men. | ||
| You're so funny, dude. | ||
| Taking it completely seriously. | ||
| But that's fine. | ||
| No, no, it's fine that it's like, it's funny that it tricks some people. | ||
| I mean, clearly they didn't watch the end, and if they did, they're the dumbest people. | ||
| Yeah, it shouldn't trick you, I'm sorry. | ||
| But, I mean, the first one did seem like a troll when the guy's, you know, sitting cross-legged at the end of a truck and just being like, yeah, just going... | ||
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Hey! | |
| Like, I'm a rancher. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're like, no, this isn't good. | ||
| Those aren't real, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But even in a parody that you're doing it deliberately, some people do take that as real news. | ||
| Like, it's kind of shocking how dumb... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't want to say dumb. | ||
| That's just an easy thing to say. | ||
| But people are gullible. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And it's because things are so crazy right now, I think it is kind of hard to tell what's real and what's fake. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| You know, maybe it's, maybe like, you know, Raymond was saying earlier, good times make weak men, and so we have a whole bunch of gullible fools who grew up believing everything they were told, and, you know, gullible's written on the ceiling right there above Raymond. | ||
| I was going to look over. | ||
| Did you really just look? | ||
| Because I thought it was a setup, but I was like, no, it's not a setup. | ||
| Maybe it is a setup. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I got on camera. | ||
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Fucking Tim. | |
| Fucking Tim. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| It says Mussolini. | ||
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Weird. | |
| Well, and that's also not... | ||
| It's a compliment about you. | ||
| I'm not looking anymore. | ||
| He's looking again. | ||
| Well, you looked already. | ||
| You know, there's nothing else. | ||
| I barely looked. | ||
| I did like a half F you like last time. | ||
| Half F. Like when Trump looked at the eclipse? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 90% of the time I would have looked over, but I just knew. | ||
| But maybe he's not gullible. | ||
| You know, a week time is just the, you need to find someone. | ||
| You need to maybe, I don't know what you need to find, but just get some old school Gen X people who worked hard their whole lives. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Or millennials. | ||
| They've done the same thing too. | ||
| Just don't get any Gen Zs. | ||
| I think I get a class A. I do the morning show and drive around. | ||
| Then I work normal hours like everybody else. | ||
| Make a morning show more robust because I don't have to worry about all the extraneous activities. | ||
| Aren't we living in kind of hard, soft times? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| When you break it down. | ||
| So, Strauss's generational theory is that we are entering the hard time. | ||
| And so things are getting increasingly more difficult because... | ||
| I gotta give a shout out to Dickie Baird again. | ||
| But I have to issue a correction, actually. | ||
| Because I got the lyrics wrong when I explained the lyrics to the impression that I get. | ||
| It's, I'm not a coward. | ||
| I've just never been tested. | ||
| I'd like to think that if I was, I would pass. | ||
| Look at the tested and think there but for the grace go I. Might be a coward. | ||
| I'm afraid of what I might find out. | ||
| It's songs from 1997 and Dickie wrote it about how his generation experienced no hard times. | ||
| That the generation before had Vietnam and these great crises and they grew up in the 90s. | ||
| They were reaching adulthood late 80s into the 90s and they're just like, everything's great. | ||
| It's a golden age. | ||
| And that's what he's saying. | ||
| I better knock on wood because I know people who have. | ||
| He was saying, knock on wood, because if you're calling for this challenge, it may come to you. | ||
| But those good times led to the millennial generation being a particularly weak and fractured generation, which is resulting in failed policy, crime waves. | ||
| Really great examples. | ||
| I predicted Bud Light. | ||
| When the Bud Light thing happened, it happened and we all saw it. | ||
| I predicted that it was going to turn out to be some millennial woman who had recently gotten promoted to the position and then decided to turn the company gay. | ||
| And that's exactly what it was. | ||
| When the Gen Xer or the Boomer, who had been running marketing and all the frat bros and everybody loved Bud Light, as soon as they walked out and they brought in the Millennial Man, she was like, we want Dylan Mulvaney and then nuked the brand. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| From what I could tell, it did very bad. | ||
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It did. | |
| Yeah, people are not a fan of her. | ||
| Nobody still likes it. | ||
| I mean, it's still like... | ||
| Bud Light's still done. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| None of us men really care anymore about Bud Light. | ||
| Well, they brought on Shane to try to revamp the image. | ||
| And Rogan and Shane were chugging Bud Lights on the show. | ||
| And UFC, too? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did UFC do a thing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, you know, my attitude there was take it and claim victory. | ||
| Say we win. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And nobody wanted to win. | ||
| Take it back. | ||
| But nobody wanted to. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Joe Rogan was like, dude, who cares? | ||
| It's beer. | ||
| And I was like, you guys gotta be on Rogan's side in this one because he's reaching regular people. | ||
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Yep. | |
| But a lot of conservatives, they want to do it. | ||
| But, you know, if I wasn't recovering Elkie, I would I'd do it just because I liked it. | ||
| If I was interested in piss water, I'd consider it. | ||
| It is kind of crappy. | ||
| Very crappy. | ||
| Yeah, it's what you buy when you're underage. | ||
| Once you, you know, can afford something better than Natty Ice. | ||
| I grew up in that. | ||
| Oh yeah, me too. | ||
| 14, 15, 16. | ||
| Well, I wasn't drinking this. | ||
| I wasn't drinking when I was younger. | ||
| But when you're going to college parties, it's Natty Light or whatever. | ||
| Natural Light was awful. | ||
| It's called Natapult, guys. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It gets you drunk. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's 5.9 and it's shit beer, but it's 5.9 for shit beer. | ||
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It's terrible, yeah. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's like The Beast. | ||
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You're like, wait, I get 30 things that are terrible instead of 24? | |
| I remember the first time my buddy brought Delirium over, and it's like the opposite. | ||
| Oh, that Belgian beer? | ||
| Oh, I don't know if Delirium. | ||
| It's like 10%. | ||
| 10%! | ||
| I think it's 10%. | ||
| Is it more than that? | ||
| It's high. | ||
| It's like thick. | ||
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I loved it. | |
| It's called Delirium, guys. | ||
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Delirium. | |
| It's a wild dude. | ||
| Wasn't the artist of the bottle the same one that did Fear and Loathing in a lot of Hunter S's lore? | ||
| Oh, on the outside? | ||
| Yeah, I think you might be right. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was lore. | ||
| It was definitely meant to mess you up. | ||
| It worked every time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are we doing Super Chess tonight? | ||
| We'll grab some Super Chess, I guess. | ||
| I figured I'd ask. | ||
| There's a lot of them. | ||
| There's too many. | ||
| I can't read them all. | ||
| Everyone's going to tell you how much they love you and hope that you can work it out in your brain and all that good stuff. | ||
| Commander Kronk says, Tim, I really don't have the money to chat, but I'm going to. | ||
| Please don't give up. | ||
| You are one of the few people I trust in news. | ||
| The world needs you. | ||
| Well, so the idea is I would do the morning show. | ||
| I would... | ||
| So one of the challenges is that I'm like... | ||
| I'm sitting here going... | ||
| If I did one show and got 150,000, like on the audio side, we get about 100 on IRL and like 50 on the morning show. | ||
| Like Spotify? | ||
| Yeah, iTunes, Spotify. | ||
| We've done no promotion for it, so we've recently brought on someone to do audio and start getting promotion because we're like, if we're the biggest on YouTube, we should certainly, but we haven't promoted anything so nobody knows we're there. | ||
| But I'm like, if I did one show and got 150k and we're like, what is this? | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, Ian? | ||
| He's here. | ||
| Welcome, Ian. | ||
| Hey, what's up, dude? | ||
| You must have just turned in and heard what was going on. | ||
| Were you sleeping the whole time? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Dave. | ||
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Michael, let's out! | |
| You need a microphone in. | ||
| My brother's name is Michael, though, so that works. | ||
| Mike Landon, Dave Landon. | ||
| Were you asleep? | ||
| I was. | ||
| I thought Hannah Clarence and Seamus were going to be here, so I was like, well, I guess it's a full house. | ||
| We'll take the night off. | ||
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I was having a dream that I was playing music with Nick Fuentes, man. | |
| What the fuck is going on? | ||
| Hey, do you know who I am? | ||
| I just woke up, but it was good. | ||
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I was dreaming of this song with Fuentes, and he was great. | |
| And then I logged on, and I was like, I'm quitting the show. | ||
| And I'm like, no, no, we gotta just change the format. | ||
| We gotta play music. | ||
| We gotta play music. | ||
| We're gonna jam, dude. | ||
| How you guys doing? | ||
| What about you, sir? | ||
| Great to see you. | ||
| And my point is, if I do one show and it consolidates viewership, gets more reach, and allows me to focus better, then maybe that's a better way to go about doing it. | ||
| I would think we got such a good opportunity with just 8 p.m. | ||
| An us. | ||
| We could do life change. | ||
| I'm gonna go to North Carolina and help with cleanup. | ||
| A friend of mine's doing cleanup stuff. | ||
| Good humanitarian stuff. | ||
| We could be playing music. | ||
| We could be doing all sorts. | ||
| We got 8 p.m. | ||
| You're such a bright light, Ian. | ||
| It got Amy Kramer vibes. | ||
| Yeah, it is Kramer vibes. | ||
| But he's bringing light to us all around. | ||
| So you're thinking that it's just the 8pm... | ||
| I can't help it. | ||
| It's all I do. | ||
| I don't know if you've met me. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm obsessed with what's going on. | ||
| No, we love it. | ||
| We love that you came up. | ||
| You're saying the 8pm, 8-10 politics format is like burning out? | ||
| Is that what you guys are feeling? | ||
| Is that what you're talking about? | ||
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| No, no, the issue is, the studio broke. | ||
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What happened? | |
| The studio broke. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It's been a cascade failure on the studio, and it's not just about that, it's that for any project, unless I am in charge of it, to the T, it doesn't happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Micromanagement. | ||
| It's very centralized. | ||
| So you can either let go and have all these different managers try and run all the different departments. | ||
| We don't have all these managers, though. | ||
| We've attempted management. | ||
| The same thing happens. | ||
| It stops working. | ||
| Some people will hire, like Elon hired a CEO to run Twitter, and he's like, look, if you mess it up, you're out. | ||
| But in the meantime, I'm the owner. | ||
| I make all the final decisions, but you're going to run everything. | ||
| I don't have time for this. | ||
| And then he'll come in and just do whatever he wants whenever he wants. | ||
| Oh, hey, look at this. | ||
| I just heard this. | ||
| Matt Christensen and Blonde, they quit last night. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| He had a live stream that he would do. | ||
| Matt Christensen's a YouTuber. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard the name. | ||
| So I guess he should know. | ||
| I mean, look, I'm saying I can just do my morning show and not have to worry about anything else, and then I can get the job done. | ||
| Trying to do two shows in one day is a diminishing return with burning the candle at both ends. | ||
| God, yeah, dude. | ||
| We could do, like... | ||
| Dude, we could play games at 8. | ||
| We could do like... | ||
| No, if you want to do it for free. | ||
| We could play music. | ||
| Well, the thing is, there's 50,000 people that are going to come watch no matter what. | ||
| 60 right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not true, dude. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| We're not going to turn anything. | ||
| I'm not talking to crap or something like that, but I'm talking about quality content. | ||
| When we did music on Fridays, and if we do, the viewership will drop from 60 to 30. | ||
| Yeah, they like hearing the news. | ||
| Well, they're here for a news show. | ||
| Nobody sticks around for Gemini? | ||
| Like half of them. | ||
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| And then some people will be like... | ||
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That's fun, though. | |
| There's still a big crowd. | ||
| Yeah, and we could change their format. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| They are here for the news. | ||
| They are here for everyone to take... | ||
| We could write songs about the news. | ||
| The circle group, you know? | ||
| Everyone talking. | ||
| Because what would happen is if we change the format, you'd lose half the crowd, but then you'd slowly start to build a new crowd. | ||
| And they're only here for Tim. | ||
| Like me and you guys aren't... | ||
| We don't sell tickets. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I don't want to... | ||
| It's like your show, your fans and stuff. | ||
| Well, and I think, but if you're doing the morning thing... | ||
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Yeah, it's just profiles. | |
| It should be okay. | ||
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Oh, good. | |
| I hope it dropped out. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| The studio just broke. | ||
| Just right now. | ||
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Well, that's because... | |
| We've been here all day resetting the whole thing to run in the old studio. | ||
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I want to stress this too because people are like, Tim, don't quit. | |
| I'm not saying I'm quitting. | ||
| I'm saying IRL. I have a morning show that I can do entirely on my own without any support at all. | ||
| And it is extremely difficult to do all of this at one time. | ||
| Question for you then. | ||
| What do you want to do in real life? | ||
| Well, I would do this if it were possible. | ||
| So I'm going to do the morning show, which I think the strategy is like, Shave everything down to the core. | ||
| Morning show. | ||
| Produce the content. | ||
| And then from there, regrow. | ||
| It would be fun. | ||
| A reboot. | ||
| A reboot of sorts, do you think? | ||
| Yeah, IRL times... | ||
| So we range from like... | ||
| We're consistently the top 10 live streams in the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In terms of viewership. | ||
| In terms of Super Chats, we've consistently been the number one human being hosted show. | ||
| Because the VTubers make way more than us. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| If you're doing a live show, but you have an avatar of a hot anime woman, you'll make more. | ||
| Yeah, that's the deal. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But it's also just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's been four years. | ||
| We reached the point where I think... | ||
| So here are the challenges. | ||
| Clearly we gotta fire people. | ||
| The problem is everyone's essential to a certain degree. | ||
| And so that means the show's not gonna function if we start to get rid of people. | ||
| So then it's just like, do we put the show on a hiatus and start reassessing how we need to find and hire people? | ||
| And then what do we do? | ||
| We wait three months of going through the hiring process and burning money. | ||
| So we can be like, who do we find? | ||
| Who's gonna be able to run this properly? | ||
| Or I just be like, look, I need to make sure that my show runs in the morning so I can live and feed my family and pay my bills. | ||
| Like waking up and not having a show for my morning show, I'm like, okay, well, who's paying the bills? | ||
| If it's not gonna get done, and I don't have people who's gonna run even that, it's annoying when we try and do Cast Castle, it fails. | ||
| Cast Castle 2.0 comedy, it fails. | ||
| Boonies, it fails. | ||
| And I'm like, but that's ancillary investment, and that's my failure. | ||
| I can't make it work. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But when those projects result in me being unable to do the core show, which pays the bills, then it's just like, we're gonna stop. | ||
| Yeah, you got subscriptions. | ||
| Subscription models are where it's at, because then it frees you up to do, Who makes the product for the subscribers? | ||
| That's up to you, basically. | ||
| You get to make whatever you want. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Whenever you want. | ||
| So IRL only exists because we have members. | ||
| If every single member quit, IRL ceases to exist, period. | ||
| Yeah, memberships is legit. | ||
| Dude, the Discord is so popping. | ||
| I just did a game jam with a bunch of people from the Timcast Discord. | ||
| Yeah, it's probably a good time. | ||
| All these developers, over two weeks, developed video games, and then they did this contest. | ||
| There were like 16 entries, and then they voted. | ||
| They got down to five finalists, and then they had me come in with another guest judge, and we played the games live. | ||
| And they're like, dude, we love everything you're doing, and we... | ||
| Not they didn't say we worship Timcast, but they're like, dude, they're people that are subscribing to the company. | ||
| The games were awesome, by the way. | ||
| Biggest Dickus Architectus was my favorite. | ||
| It was one of the winners. | ||
| It was a really cool game of physics and stuff. | ||
| So that was an untapped market. | ||
| I'm like, yo, if we hosted a video game judgment thing where developers were just constantly creating games, passing them in, and then there was a $1,500 prize that went to the winner. | ||
| You might get like 2,000 people watching. | ||
| Maybe 10. | ||
| I don't know if that's a big market. | ||
| You create the market. | ||
| This is the point. | ||
| You set the trend. | ||
| For video games, that's not bad. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I think for video games, that's not bad. | ||
| No, it was fantastic. | ||
| And like... | ||
| It's like another way to garner fans and give back to the community that's subscribing and also to make money and to pay people that are up and coming developers. | ||
| That was just like two hours. | ||
| For me, it was two hours of work. | ||
| Tim, would you do IRL instead of the morning show? | ||
| Do you have a preference of... | ||
| IRL can't sustain itself. | ||
| Can't sustain itself, even though... | ||
| IRL requires the members to exist as a show because we need drivers, we need guest booking, hotel, travel accommodations. | ||
| We could also do no guests. | ||
| We don't need guests. | ||
| Yeah, they're worthless. | ||
| It's great having them. | ||
| He's been saying naughty things all the time. | ||
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And we can. | |
| He has been naughty. | ||
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We can, but that show, me, you, and Phil did, was so awesome. | |
| We could just hang out. | ||
| We don't need to fly people in every day. | ||
| We could do like guests once a week or twice a week. | ||
| Back in the day, the old one? | ||
| Old school? | ||
| Back when it was him, you and Adam, it was just as entertaining. | ||
| I mean, that's actually what I was saying is one of the core ideas is to just get rid of everything but the skeleton crew. | ||
| Yeah, and then just have guests whenever. | ||
| We can tell the guests if you want to come on the show, you drive yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No more covering your plans, Dave. | ||
| This was the first time you did. | ||
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What do you mean? | |
| I always would book myself. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| I never wanted to burden anybody with... | ||
| Oh, you're such a nice man. | ||
| You can get some people first class. | ||
| They jumped on it. | ||
| Yeah, can you? | ||
| Yeah, let's do Skeleton Crew. | ||
| Well, we'll think about it. | ||
| But that's when you started blowing up, too, Tim. | ||
| Like, OG fans. | ||
| I mean, middle seat. | ||
| You and Adam, and then Young Gentlemen came around. | ||
| We have so many hosts now. | ||
| So, yeah, it was just... | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| 40K likes a night, remember? | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to wear my MAGA beanie if you give me 40K likes tonight. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But that was also during COVID. And so viewership on everything for people locked in their homes was massive. | ||
| They would kill you for wearing that. | ||
| They called it lightning in a bottle. | ||
| You and Adam, your old school friendship, like kindling into this business. | ||
| It was just crazy energy. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| The show was supposed to be on the street. | ||
| It was supposed to be out of a vehicle where I would interview regular people and just hang out and do a podcast. | ||
| I was talking with regular folks. | ||
| It changed up a lot. | ||
| It can. | ||
| It's too burdensome. | ||
| So many hosts. | ||
| We got Phil, Libby, Seamus, when he feels like it, Hannah Claire, Raymond, me, Serge. | ||
| I'm so glad you're talking again. | ||
| I like that Ian's naming names. | ||
| Dude, I'm dropping. | ||
| It's all of them. | ||
| It's all their fault. | ||
| I'm going back to the Ross Dress for less, apparently, my friends. | ||
| And, like, God, we could have other people come in, too. | ||
| There's so many people that... | ||
| Oh, you're saying positive things? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Yeah, like... | ||
| He's not naming names. | ||
| People that work at TimCast, even. | ||
| Like, Wesley's hilarious. | ||
| Carter Banks is awesome. | ||
| I mean, Charles is hilarious. | ||
| I would love to sit down with Charles for a couple hours and just shoot the shit, talk about whatever, talk about economics, talk about... | ||
| He's just a funny guy. | ||
| Rugby, hockey, but yeah. | ||
| Yeah, like, he's just good to be, like, be in a room with... | ||
| I don't know, I don't know. | ||
| So you're in a reassessment timeframe then? | ||
| I'm so happy you wrote May, like I said before. | ||
| I wasn't going to do the show at all, but Dave was here and I was like, it's kind of a dick move. | ||
| To be like, we're not going to do anything. | ||
| Because you've always been open and honest with your audience, so it's good that you're doing this opening, honest with your audience right now. | ||
| Did you already talk about what you've been working on lately? | ||
| No. | ||
| What have you been doing? | ||
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Nothing. | |
| You're normal world, yeah? | ||
| He retired. | ||
| He works on a farm. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty good. | ||
| Well, I don't say work, but I'm definitely doing labor on a farm. | ||
| What I do is normal world. | ||
| Yeah, that's the sketch show. | ||
| And we're finally putting out more sketches because I know what it's like to have to deal with certain people as well. | ||
| Egos and whatnot. | ||
| But it's good that we're now building it back up. | ||
| And I really do like the show. | ||
| But I really want to do like all sketch. | ||
| You were fantastic. | ||
| I was telling the driver today. | ||
| You were on a show? | ||
| We were on the first episode together. | ||
| It was called Rogtopia. | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| Wait, I've totally seen that. | ||
| I've seen you guys for the first couple of months. | ||
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So good, dude. | |
| He comes off like Robert Downey Jr. | ||
| It's crazy in less than zero. | ||
| He's amazing in it. | ||
| Acting is like my strength. | ||
| We should do more. | ||
| I would love you to do more. | ||
| I would love him to do a sketch, but he can't leave. | ||
| Well, maybe now he can. | ||
| I know, and if you're not around, I would love to have him in a sketch. | ||
| That'd be so funny, dude. | ||
| There's nothing more I enjoy than doing that. | ||
| And like, yeah, dude, Drugtopia was fantastic, because you just... | ||
| It was just perfect how well you played that. | ||
| Would we just fly down to Texas for a couple days and shoot it? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| That'd be pretty cool. | ||
| That's the most fun. | ||
| Like, honestly, I think when it's coming into, like, comedy, sketch, movies, all that stuff, I think there's a way to really do this right, and it's not necessarily being done. | ||
| We could get rid of guests. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Guests can come on if they choose to come on, but we're not going to handle booking and anything else. | ||
| Well, if you're coming on because you're basically giving them a lot of free promo... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And sometimes people come on and don't say like two words. | ||
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Dude, that's the worst. | |
| It's so brutal. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| And they get mad at us. | ||
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Do they? | |
| They get mad afterwards? | ||
| I don't know if they know what the show was. | ||
| Well, like a PR company would be like, we want to get this person on your show and then think we're going to interview them about their book and then we don't. | ||
| But yeah, IRL is a topical news show, daily news show. | ||
| Well, do they think that you read the book? | ||
| I mean, that's a lie. | ||
| No, it's funny though because like... | ||
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Nobody reads the book. | |
| I won't lie to people. | ||
| Like we've had people on the show and they'll hand me the book and they're like, will you read it? | ||
| I go, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, I'm not going to lie to you. | ||
| I'm doing two shows every day and running a company. | ||
| There's no way I can read this book. | ||
| Look, Michael Malice is a good friend of mine, but I don't understand. | ||
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I got the audio book and I still haven't listened to it. | |
| Dude, I get halfway in and I'm like, yeah, I believe you. | ||
| The white belt is spot on. | ||
| Mike knows what he's talking about. | ||
| It's the white pill. | ||
| It's brilliant, yeah. | ||
| The first few chapters I got. | ||
| And then I just don't pretend I'm smarter than I am. | ||
| So let me tell you guys something. | ||
| Maybe, you know, we could do the CEO route, right? | ||
| We could do the surgical investment. | ||
| You know what that means? | ||
| No. | ||
| It means that, you know, we'll be doing the show and we're going to let people know about the hardships we face. | ||
| Especially the hardships dealing with a bad night's sleep. | ||
| Which is why I use MyPillow. | ||
| I knew they were good. | ||
| That was fantastic. | ||
| MyPillow! | ||
| Promo code TIM is an actual thing. | ||
| You can use it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So we do pre-rolls. | ||
| We don't do end-rolls or mid-rolls. | ||
| But I guarantee you, anybody who comes in and says, I'm going to clean this up, is going to be like, we need four ad reads per show. | ||
| If they're good things, I don't mind talking about them. | ||
| I really actually want to. | ||
| They're not going to want a conversation about it. | ||
| They're going to say, break at 9.30, read the line. | ||
| Read the minute, carry on. | ||
| Can you do like 15 seconds? | ||
| Like, real quick? | ||
| You know if you said something like, I'll be at Tom's River, New Jersey on Friday? | ||
| Theo Vaughn does really cool ads where he's like, yo homie, you gotta get a taste of this shit. | ||
| He says it how he would say it. | ||
| Is it in the middle of the show? | ||
| It cuts to it in the middle of the show. | ||
| Those are host red placements. | ||
| So we have some of those sometimes. | ||
| I'm saying for a live show, host red placements are going for YouTube. | ||
| Hands down. | ||
| Anybody who comes in and says, we want to run this, they're going to be like, oh, here's your problem. | ||
| You're not doing any ad reads. | ||
| Like the Ben Shapiro, how he makes it in that pretty young lady, Cooper? | ||
| Brett Cooper. | ||
| Brett Cooper, yeah. | ||
| She mixes her ad reads very well. | ||
| I would do ad reads. | ||
| I kind of like the commercial idea, too. | ||
| I'm just throwing it out there. | ||
| I always like making commercials. | ||
| It just sounds like doing a lot more work. | ||
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Oh, like it cuts to a sketch or something? | |
| Of us with a real product we could be selling? | ||
| Yeah, but it's actually just a sketch of the products in it. | ||
| Tim's like, I'm hungry. | ||
| I'm like, have one of these. | ||
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And I'll hand them, like, yeah, whatever bar it is. | |
| And you're like, you need a protein bar. | ||
| So you're doing a lot of work and you're not getting out of it what you want. | ||
| Um... | ||
| Well, I mean, look, the studio broke. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so I'm just, there's a lot of other things too, but I'm not going to throw anybody specifically under the bus. | ||
| I'm not going to bring up other things, but it's just like, like I said, 90% of the job getting done means 10% across every person that I have to handle and I can't do it all. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And so, you know, people are mentioning, you know, we got a super chat startup syndrome. | ||
| You need a CEO. I'm like, of course. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so that's, that's the question. | ||
| It's like, it's a four-year startup though. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| Three to five years of startup. | ||
| Most companies fail in five years. | ||
| That's what I mean, yeah. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| So now you're bringing the CEO and... | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Well, it's like, why just keep spending money and spinning wheels? | ||
| Like, I could pull it all back and keep making money and not have to stress about any of it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Does any of... | ||
| If I was you, I would have just already done just the Timcast thing, but that's... | ||
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I mean, I'm saying I could buy a Class A. He says he likes the IRL aspect of it. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I could get a Class A right now. | ||
| You know what a Class A trailer camper is? | ||
| Tour Bus. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Pop out Tour Bus, basically. | ||
| I can park it anywhere in the country. | ||
| See, I upgrade from the van, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Stream live from the tour bus? | ||
| No, I record my morning segments from the bus wherever I want to go. | ||
| And then that's it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| I could reasonably record till 4 to get the best segments up. | ||
| I could do 10 segments per day if I'm working till 4 p.m. | ||
| That'd be nuts. | ||
| Can you stream on a bus? | ||
| Starlink, yeah. | ||
| And you can be done the rest of the night. | ||
| And then at 4 o'clock I go to Allison and say, you want to go get dinner? | ||
| And I go hang out with my family. | ||
| Like a awesome tour bus you could get or like one for poison? | ||
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No, they're based AF. You know, I guess IRL does very well. | |
| Oh, so you could just get one. | ||
| A hundred grand. | ||
|
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Oh, wow. | |
| How much? | ||
| A hundred? | ||
| A hundred grand. | ||
| What's the cost of a Kia now? | ||
| Almost 100 grand. | ||
| Yeah, so there are some used Class A trailers that are like 2022 or whatever that I saw. | ||
| I think they're like $100,000. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I could record my morning show anywhere I want. | ||
| Dude, mobile's the shit. | ||
| I just got a bunch of mobile equipment today. | ||
| I hate promoting it. | ||
| Yeah, you could do 10 minutes, 10 minutes, 10 minutes, and do what you did before. | ||
| 6, 7, 6.30. | ||
| I don't want to say that out loud because I like... | ||
| Yeah, but it's true. | ||
| It's 100% true. | ||
| You could totally get it done. | ||
| And you could be happier that way. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| I've been studying. | ||
| If you think, I mean, I don't know what, I don't know your happiness level. | ||
| We're not best friends or anything. | ||
| Are you guys following Thunderbolt technology? | ||
| It's USB, huge breakthrough advancements. | ||
| It's USB's eclipsing HDMI. Like it's a one, it's not even USB, it looks like a USB cord. | ||
| It's called Thunderbolt. | ||
| And it's going up to Thunderbolt version five, where you can get one USB plug, can power your device with a hundred watts, and it can send 80 gigabits a second, which is like, What would that be? | ||
| 16 gigabytes per second of transfer data speed? | ||
| Like, phenomenal. | ||
| So basically you're going to end up having one cord that can power your entire setup. | ||
| And it's called Thunderbolt? | ||
| Yeah, Thunderbolt technology. | ||
| My new laptop has Thunderbolt 4, 40 gigabits per second. | ||
| I'm studying the difference in gigabytes and gigabytes. | ||
| Wait, is it yours? | ||
| Is it like your product? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's a new breakthrough. | ||
| I think Intel has been working on these advancements. | ||
| They kind of started using gallium nitride in superconductors, so it's a lot cooler, so they can make things a lot smaller. | ||
| Well, Ian's back, everyone. | ||
| Yeah, dude, I've been studying electricity for like a week and like power and I was studying volts this morning. | ||
| Alessandro Volta, how he built his first battery. | ||
| You guys ever study that thing? | ||
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Nope. | |
| He's called the Volta, I think it was a Volta pile where he just put zinc and copper on top of itself over and over and over again with like these pieces of cardboard in between them with salt water and then they just made an electrical charge and they were like, what the fuck? | ||
| So they just started destroying stuff. | ||
| They were like, let's destroy water. | ||
| So they discovered electrolysis. | ||
| They were like, let's destroy salt. | ||
| They discovered sodium. | ||
| And then they had OMAD to come in and figure out how to resist the electricity to actually utilize it in daily products. | ||
| Damn, you research. | ||
| Yeah, I've been going nuts. | ||
| I've been looking at, like, mobile equipment lately. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because my friend's down in North Carolina. | ||
| Like I was saying, she's doing this cleanup stuff. | ||
| Yeah, a friend, Dr. | ||
| Steve, is right now because his hospital was flown up to the ceiling. | ||
| I mean, to the roof. | ||
| Zena Radner, phenomenal humanitarian. | ||
| She does all sorts of crazy work. | ||
| And I was like, I got to go down there and interview her. | ||
| So I've been looking at, like, difference of wattage and voltage and amperage, because I've been trying to get different devices and make sure everything's compatible. | ||
| Oh, like how you're going to power it and everything? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And there's new breakthroughs in USB, and this Thunderbolt tech is really, really promising for mobile work. | ||
| Thunderbolt tech is nice. | ||
| Any suggestions? | ||
| Yeah, I think we'll do a little members only for all of our members who want to have more direct conversation with some call-ins and want to ask some questions. | ||
| Love that. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Hanging with the members, dude. | ||
| That's really fun, too. | ||
| Because I wanted to have you come in and guest judge the video game competition with me, but I figured you're too busy. | ||
| But this is like an opportunity to do that kind of stuff. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I'm glad you're doing that. | ||
| And if we did it 8 to 10 one night, where it's like, let's use this platform to host these games for these new and up-and-coming. | ||
| Because some of these guys are like geniuses. | ||
| In two weeks, what they can spin together. | ||
| Do you understand the level of what's going on tonight, by chance? | ||
| Man, I'm always on the level, Raymond, but tell me. | ||
| Talk to me about it. | ||
| Just what the show's about. | ||
| The title is Maybe the Last Show, and you're talking about Thunderbolts. | ||
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| Yeah, that's what I always... | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm talking about mobile tech, but yeah, you could say... | ||
| Just curious. | ||
| I'm not trying to be a dick right now. | ||
| I guess I don't want to pile on. | ||
| I'd rather, like, elevate. | ||
| Your mood is very fantastic. | ||
| There are a lot of super chats. | ||
| I'll read one of them because a lot of them say the same similar thing. | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| The ham is bad. | ||
| You need to hire a COO and an IT professional. | ||
| People who have no interest in making videos that day want the system to produce the videos work. | ||
| The solution, I don't think the solution is try hiring more people again. | ||
| Remember how you had a problem, so you hired people, and that didn't work, so you fired them, and then you hired more people, and you fired them, and you hired more people? | ||
| Like, at a certain point, I'm kind of just like, I don't think that's the issue. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Yeah, I just think... | ||
| Cutting back on guests. | ||
| Huge expenditure. | ||
| If guests work for you, though... | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| I think people... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think people are... | ||
| We have guests. | ||
| We've just had to... | ||
| You know, we've gone up and back and forth of that as well. | ||
| I think people are entitled. | ||
| Lazy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Very true. | ||
| Yeah, so you can only do so much, I guess. | ||
| I think the other thing, too, is the reason why a lot of businesses are as corporate as they are is because there's no world where, like, I believe that the actual mentality of the average employee, I say average employee, I'm not speaking about anyone individual, is I gotta get mine and I'll burn this down if I have to. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if that's true. | ||
| I think like, you know, I was talking to a friend and he said that he was at a job once and every time he'd look over, the guy's just scrolling Facebook and Amazon and not working. | ||
| I've met too many people like that. | ||
| That's true, but I don't think they have the ability to take over. | ||
| I'm not saying to take over. | ||
| I'm saying quite quitting is hugely popular. | ||
| It's like a big trend among Gen Z. Just leaving? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Quiet quitting is when you keep pretending that you're working so you get as much money as possible before they fire you. | ||
| Oh, the George Costanza method. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that's a product of salary and hourly wages. | ||
| Because if you're just getting paid no matter what you do, and you're always going to get paid the same amount, why would you do more? | ||
| If you're making more money based on how well the outcome is, now you're going to work hard. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| There's been a bunch of pitches like we should do... | ||
| Are you cool with the Collins? | ||
| Right? | ||
| With the Collins, yes? | ||
| Yeah, in five minutes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, so like one method is like the GE method, I think. | ||
| It's where every quarter you fire the bottom 10%. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| We're going to say this job has to get done. | ||
| If it doesn't get done, we're writing it down in a file. | ||
| At the end of the quarter, whoever has the most misses, you're out. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| A harsh reality of business. | ||
| Yeah, who wants to work there? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| But that's the only way to do it. | ||
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Otherwise... | |
| If you're the person who's not the bottom 10%, then that's a good thing. | ||
| Like, if you're working hard and people see that, then that's... | ||
| If you're working hard, other people are doing nothing and the company's failing because of it, you're gonna be pissed off. | ||
| Right, but then that's why I like the 10% gotta go. | ||
| I like that aspect. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's why I hate unions. | ||
| They're the worst. | ||
| So like you hire a CEO to come in and just be like, that person's got to go. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| We say, so we have tasks that have to be accomplished. | ||
| If they're not accomplished, we write down, you failed to accomplish tasks. | ||
| Then at the end of the quarter, we look at who has the most failures and say, you're out. | ||
| We're hiring somebody else. | ||
| It's the only thing I've ever had the last 20 years of my life. | ||
| I don't think people realize what they have until it's gone either. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And I mean, that's a huge thing about working at a place like this. | ||
| There's not a lot of gratitude until you go out there into the real world and realize that comedy feels like more of a safety net to me than it would working for any Fortune 500 company. | ||
| At least in these days. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| So many overseas people that are doing the manufacturing. | ||
| I just don't feel that people are looked at as much more than numbers. | ||
| So if you're looked at by the person who owns the company as somebody who actually cares about the employer, but then you don't reciprocate that, that's kind of shitty. | ||
| You know, I've been watching a lot of videos of dudes tapping trees to get rubber out or factory workers working with vinyl, just poison, chemicals, brutal, boring-ass shit, and I'm like, What an opportunity this is to work on TV and entertain for a living. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| We get six figures at Zug Island in Detroit where you just work with poisons all day and you're going to be reeled with tumors and die at 40, but you get six figures. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, people do that. | ||
| I mean, that's all their options are. | ||
| There are people who mine cobalt and their teeth fall out of their mouths when they're 20 and they get paid a dollar a day. | ||
| Or fucking throw luggage. | ||
| And they make great cookers. | ||
| Corn oil. | ||
| There's just so many jobs I've had in life that were like, I can't wait for this to be over. | ||
| And this is a job where I can't wait to wake up in the morning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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True. | |
| Like, every job I've ever had until... | ||
| I don't think that's true for this company. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| I think that there's an element at this company among our staff who are just like, What do I have to say to make this day end? | ||
| I don't think anybody's looking at a clock right now, though. | ||
| No, they're... | ||
| This isn't the regular day. | ||
| I think that this company has too much of... | ||
| I don't gotta do it. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when it falls down and I have to catch it, they're just like, I don't care. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| Some people are worse than others, but it's that if someone's not doing... | ||
| If someone's only doing 90, I'm trying to catch the other 10. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you're doing 150. | ||
| I'm doing way more than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you're like 330 or whatever. | ||
| And then it's like a, hey guys, I really need this because I can't do it. | ||
| And they're like, sure. | ||
| And then they're just like, what a fucking idiot. | ||
| You think I'm going to do that? | ||
| Like, dude, it's remarkable how it's just like... | ||
| Hey, this thing has to get done, otherwise we can't do the company. | ||
| And they're like, you got it, mate. | ||
| And then they just, as soon as you leave, they, I don't know, crack open a bag of chips and just watch TV or something? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that's a crappy feeling. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So you do... | ||
| I mean, you take it more personal, then. | ||
| Because you have to. | ||
| I mean, it's your baby. | ||
| You know, I don't know if I take it personally. | ||
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How could you not? | |
| I don't understand. | ||
| I don't know how you couldn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think people are people. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, without a taskmaster being like... | ||
| Well, I think this is the realization, is that there has to be a mid-manager whipcracker. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, always. | ||
| And it sucks, but it's true. | ||
| You don't get that... | ||
| Like... | ||
| Anybody who is passionate and wants to do it, who doesn't need a Whipcracker, is not going to work at a company because they can do it on their own. | ||
| They can, yeah. | ||
| Okay, so then you don't need a CEO, you just need a middle management Whipcracker. | ||
| Or a CEO that also is a Whipcracker. | ||
| I'm not saying you need anything, Tim, I'm just throwing that out there. | ||
| Like a CEO could also be the whipcracker. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then they would be middle management because you'd be the owner. | ||
| We're not that big of a company. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Well, someone's got to execute and make sure that shit's getting done and is like, look, I'm talking to the head of this department, this department, this department, this department, this department. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| We're having 20 minutes with you, 20 minutes with you, 20 minutes with you. | ||
| Who's not getting it done in your department? | ||
| Oh, that's so dumb. | ||
| I don't want to do it. | ||
| That's why I'm just like... | ||
| So you would hire someone to do all that crap. | ||
| That would be the CEO's job. | ||
| Not interested. | ||
| Well, they got to do a... | ||
| You got to have meetings. | ||
| Yeah, no, no. | ||
| Or I can shut it down and do my morning show and I don't need any employees. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But if you want to have a company, you've got to have someone that's executing management. | ||
| That's what he's saying. | ||
| He doesn't want to execute. | ||
| Well, you're saying you don't want to do it. | ||
| Not that you don't want the company. | ||
| You don't want to do that job. | ||
| I don't blame you. | ||
| It's exhausting to be in meetings all day. | ||
| No, I don't want to be in that environment of weird, stodgy HR managers. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| The HR companies that want to help you have a problem. | ||
| Like, dude... | ||
| I've worked at companies where it's like, I'm having an issue. | ||
| The only resolution is to ask HR, and HR is like, tell me more so I can fire you. | ||
| The machine is broken. | ||
| HR doesn't exist to help you with your problems. | ||
| If you work at a company, and you're having a problem employee harassing you, and they say, well, based on the current law, we're actually getting more trouble from the harassing employee than the person being harassed, so we should fire the victim and then protect the harasser. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Man, there are companies where, without naming any of them, I've heard stories where a woman got pregnant and then immediately threatened them that if they ever reprimanded her, she would sue them for sexism, and she'd get a high-powered lawyer, and then they'd just let her do whatever she wanted. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's accurate. | ||
| There's an article I read the other day. | ||
| Someone, he quit his job like eight months ago, and every day he's just going in there and doing the least amount of possible, and he's still working there and he's still doing his thing. | ||
| It was a big... | ||
| It was a viral... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's called Quiet Quitting. | ||
| Okay, we're going to go to the members section so I can answer direct to the members because the members are the ones who make it all possible. | ||
| And I'm sure they have questions and we'll answer them. | ||
| So head over to TimCast.com if you want to hang out at the members show. | ||
| I will put it this way. | ||
| If we don't do IRL, maybe Ian's got a point about we can just get rid of guests, we can get rid of travel, we can get rid of all the extraneous elements of the show and it's like, you know, I don't know, like four of us just do the show and hang out every day and we don't need a guest. | ||
| And we can have guests periodically if someone wants to join the show and they can take care of it themselves. | ||
| But otherwise we just typically don't do guests, we just do news. | ||
| That's a strong possibility. | ||
| I think if that's not the case, what I would do for existing members, we obviously want to maintain the Discord for the people who value it as a community. | ||
| And then I would do a members-only, probably like Monday through Friday at like 2pm, where I would just do something. | ||
| That's an idea. | ||
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That's awesome. | |
| So that way, there's still the members going on, there's still members-only content, and the people still have access to a community, and then we'll keep some staff to maintain it, and we'll figure that out. | ||
| But what we're going to do now is, that's why, because I don't want to be like, hey, go subscribe to a thing where we don't know what we're going to be doing, but if you want to watch the members only, and we're going to answer questions from the members, timcast.com, you can follow me on X on Instagram. | ||
| But that's another thing, too. | ||
| I'm probably, I don't even know if I'm going to be using X much longer, because removing the block feature is the most psychotic thing imaginable. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| Yeah, I just saw that. | ||
| Having all of my stalkers at once on one day instantly just get access to my feed and lose their minds? | ||
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I don't know if I'm interested. | |
| I don't get it because they're basically nullifying the mute. | ||
| You have the mute button where you don't have to listen to the person anymore. | ||
| Now they're turning the block button back into the mute button. | ||
| Well, we're going to go to the members only then and talk to members. | ||
| So Dave, do you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Yeah, this Friday I'll be in Tom's River, New Jersey. | ||
| It's all Toys for Tots, goes to charity. | ||
| You can go to my website, DaveLandow.com, food, all that stuff. | ||
| Goes to families that need it. | ||
| That's this Friday, Saturday. | ||
| Well, no, Sunday, I'll be at Helium in Buffalo. | ||
| But check out my show, Normal World. | ||
| We've got sketches. | ||
| Ian's, of course, been on it. | ||
| I hope Tim will do a sketch. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| And yeah, check it out. | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| You can just look up Normal World. | ||
| You guys know me, I'm Raymond G. Stanley Jr. | ||
| I'm privileged and honored to be here tonight, and every night I'm on IRL, hanging out here. | ||
| Ian? | ||
| Ian Crossland, and like I mentioned earlier, we did the Game Jam cast. | ||
| Check out the Game Jam stuff. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| A bunch of software developers came together and made a bunch of video games that we judged in real time. | ||
| Also, what else? | ||
| I'm going to be going down to North Carolina, working on cleanup a little bit, like I said. | ||
| Oh, it's full of my social media. | ||
| It's at Ian Crossland and keep in touch with everything there. | ||
| I go live periodically and play video games and play music and all sorts of stuff. | ||
| So I'll see ya. | ||
| Oh, I also shot a movie out in LA that'll be coming out soon, but I'll tell you more about it as it releases. | ||
| Surge, talk me out, baby. | ||
| Um, yeah. | ||
| What's up, guys? | ||
| It's been fun. | ||
| I hope that it keeps going, but it's not my call to make. | ||
| Stay frosty, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cool, and also, I like your show. | ||
| I like coming on it. | ||
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It's fun. | |
| So thank you. | ||
| Thanks for coming. | ||
| So whatever you choose, I'll just kiss your ass a little bit at the end. | ||
| Yeah, I think the morning show will exist in some fashion if IRL does not. | ||
| And then I can do one bigger show instead of two bulky shows. | ||
| Or one light. | ||
| Like, the morning show has been light. | ||
| Like, I've only been doing four shows a week. | ||
| And then IRL, of course, five. | ||
| And now I'm just like... | ||
| Maybe I just do five morning shows and weekend bonus shows, and then there are seven shows a week once again, and more clips on YouTube and all that stuff. | ||
| So we're here with the members of the show. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
| I guess, you know, I expect to be here in the morning doing the morning show as per usual, so youtube.com slash timcastnews. | ||
| Other than that, we'll be at timcast.com in a minute. |
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