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Oct. 18, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Trump Calls Kamala A LOSER After CRINGE SNL Vid, DITCHING Al Smith w/Jack Posobiec | Timcast IRL
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joshua lisec
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seamus coughlin
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tim pool
27:34
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shane cashman
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tim pool
Yeah, it's a particularly it's a particularly good day for Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris skipped the Al Smith dinner.
The last person to do that was Mondale.
If you guys know anything about history, it wasn't that long ago, but he did not do very well.
unidentified
He lost everything.
tim pool
He won one state.
He won Minnesota.
Congratulations.
Kamala Harris did the same thing.
She got booed.
She sent a prerecorded video of her doing this bizarre skit with a former SNL character from the 90s.
It's just very weird.
And so fine, I guess Donald Trump came out and he said she's a loser.
That's what he called her for ditching the event.
Now we've got, this is crazy, Nate Silver is predicting that Trump has the edge to win.
Not that he will win, but he's at the edge.
538 has now given Donald Trump the edge to win.
He's up 20 points in poly market, 16 plus in the betting averages.
Even predicted, which was leaning heavily for Kamala, has shifted.
And there's a report.
That some very wealthy individuals, whales they call them in gambling, have placed millions, up to $30 million on Donald Trump to win.
So he's certainly loving this.
And now Bill Maher is going after Kamala's husband over all the weird allegations where he struck a woman and other things like that.
So Trump's enjoying it.
Here's the best part, though.
On The View, they're like, I actually think it's a really good thing that Kamala Harris skipped the Al Smith dinner.
You know, it was very smart of her.
No matter what she does, they say it's good.
So we're going to talk all about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else, we've got two great guests.
Who wants to go first?
joshua lisec
Howdy, I'm Joshua Lysick.
I'm credibly accused of ghostwriting more than 90 books.
I'm currently a known co-author and sometime hypnotist here to talk about the new book, Bulletproof, the first and only book about the assassination attempts on Donald J. Trump.
jack posobiec
If you look closely, you may notice some slight subtextual clues that I have left scattered throughout the studio, much like a game of Clue, that give you the indication that I might have a new book coming out.
Just very small clues.
tim pool
What's it called?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
jack posobiec
I'm not going to tell you, actually, what it's called.
I'm not going to tell you the title, Bulletproof.
But for anyone who's listening, boy, you guys are just really missing out on this.
tim pool
I was about to say, the audio side people are going, what's the name of the book, Chuck?
Seamus is here.
seamus coughlin
Seamus Coughlin, Freedom Tunes.
We just released a cartoon today and one yesterday and one the day before.
So that's three animated cartoons in one week.
I'm pretty happy with all of them.
And people seem to be raving over the one we just released.
We were watching it earlier.
We might watch it on air.
We are, yeah.
Amazing.
So go over to Freedom Tunes right now.
Subscribe.
If you want to be ahead of the curve, you can watch it there first.
We're 20,000 subs away from a million.
jack posobiec
Don't let him get over a million, folks.
If you are already subscribed, unsubscribed right now from Freedom Tombs, don't listen to him.
Get off.
Christ is king.
Christ is king.
seamus coughlin
That's true.
jack posobiec
Christ is king.
seamus coughlin
Don't try to appropriate that.
jack posobiec
Appropriate?
seamus coughlin
What do you mean appropriate?
I'm not appropriating it.
jack posobiec
I'm not appropriating it.
unidentified
I'm Catholic.
jack posobiec
I've been Catholic my entire life.
seamus coughlin
You're using it to besmirch the good name of my YouTube channel.
unidentified
Christ is king.
jack posobiec
I'm just saying, folks.
seamus coughlin
I agree.
Christ is king.
jack posobiec
He will work harder.
Look, look, look.
He is just under one million at Freedom Tunes.
He will work as hard as a Protestant if you don't let him get to one million.
It is in the best interests of the nation and, dare I say, the world and perhaps all of our immortal souls if we keep Seamus under one million.
seamus coughlin
There are Protestants on the payroll working really hard right now.
jack posobiec
And they will work harder.
unidentified
I mean, this guy puts out like a one minute.
jack posobiec
He puts out a one minute.
Well, no, it's not turning into Northern Ireland.
seamus coughlin
It's so funny.
jack posobiec
Because I think you mean, excuse me, excuse me.
I think you mean Western England.
seamus coughlin
I don't know what I'm more insulted by here.
I just want to be clear.
If you support quote-unquote Northern Ireland, Western England, as Jack calls it, then sure, you can take his perspective on my YouTube channel.
If you believe in the sovereignty of the Irish people, go over to Freedom Tunes and subscribe.
And I just also want to mention, Jack is like, oh, it's been a day since his last upload, and it's only a minute long, and every animator in the world hearing that is like, what?!
jack posobiec
He did a minute and a day?
What do you say about a people who can't even control their own island?
seamus coughlin
How good of a job is England doing controlling the flow of migrants into their country right now?
jack posobiec
Are you British, Jake?
seamus coughlin
Why are you trashing Ireland?
jack posobiec
Are you British?
seamus coughlin
By the way, what's happening to England is a tragedy.
jack posobiec
Last time I was in Dublin, I don't even think I met one Irish person.
unidentified
Ugh.
tim pool
So Shane's here.
shane cashman
I'm about to crack open the holy water bottle and sprinkle it on these guys.
seamus coughlin
Please do!
shane cashman
I support Freedom Tunes and I support Bulletproof.
jack posobiec
Please do!
shane cashman
It's very important.
There's pillars of Bulletproof on either side of Jack, for those listening.
jack posobiec
Which, by the way, Joshua is like 100% Irish, the co-author here.
shane cashman
I'm Irish, too.
There's a lot of Irishmen here.
jack posobiec
Yeah, he's like, I will just kill you.
unidentified
I started going to a Catholic church because it is Irish Catholic.
jack posobiec
I'm like, for the record, for the record, we love Ireland.
We love Ireland.
shane cashman
This one's for the Irish.
tim pool
It's a pretty good place, you know?
It's a good place.
Shall we talk about news?
seamus coughlin
I guess if you want to do that, Tim, we can talk about it.
jack posobiec
This is a news show, Tim.
tim pool
It kind of is.
Alright, here we go.
We got this from the New York Post.
And I could have chosen...
Actually, you know what?
Let me read this one.
Kamala Harris taps ex-SNL star for head-scratching Al Smith dinner skit that left audience puzzled and silent.
I like this one from the Daily Mail.
Kamala Harris is torched for cringeworthy and historically bad pre-recorded Al Smith dinner video.
Because I think you all listening deserve this, I'm playing it for you now.
jack posobiec
Oh no, not again.
Please.
kamala harris
And distinguished guests, the Al Smith dinner provides a rare opportunity to set aside partisanship.
unidentified
Oh, sorry, sorry.
kamala harris
Hey, what's going on?
Who was that?
unidentified
Oh, sorry, Mary Catherine Gallagher.
Mary Catherine Gallagher.
It's so nice to meet you.
kamala harris
Very nice to meet you, Mary Catherine.
Right now I'm trying to record my speech for tonight's dinner.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, I know.
I just want to say that I'm Catholic, and tonight is one of the biggest dinners next to the Last Supper.
kamala harris
It is a very important dinner, and it's an important tradition that I'm so proud to be a part of.
unidentified
Sometimes when I get nervous, I stick my fingers under my arms and I sit on like that.
But that's gross.
kamala harris
So tell me something.
I'm giving a speech.
Do you have some thoughts about what I might say tonight?
unidentified
My feelings about what you should say tonight would be best expressed in a monologue from one of my favorite made-for-TV series.
kamala harris
Okay.
Let's hear it.
unidentified
Don't you see, man?
kamala harris
We need a woman to represent us.
unidentified
A woman brings more heart, more compassion.
And think how smart she must be to become a top contender in a field dominated by men!
kamala harris
It's time for a woman, bro!
unidentified
And with this woman, we can fly!
kamala harris
What series was that from?
unidentified
Oh, that's from House of Dragons, now streaming on HBO Max.
kamala harris
Is there anything that you think that maybe I shouldn't bring up tonight?
tim pool
Lord, help me.
unidentified
Well, don't lie.
Thou shall not bear false witness to thy neighbor.
kamala harris
Indeed, especially thy neighbor's election results.
unidentified
Just so you know, there will be a fact checker there tonight.
kamala harris
Oh, that's great.
Who?
unidentified
Jesus.
And maybe don't say anything negative about Catholics.
kamala harris
I would never do that, no matter where I was.
That would be like criticizing Detroit in Detroit.
unidentified
Does it bother you that that Trump guy insults you all the time?
Because it really bothers my friends and me.
kamala harris
Oh, Mary Catherine, it's very important to always remember...
tim pool
I just turned it off.
shane cashman
Why is there more?
joshua lisec
Why are you making us do this, Tim?
shane cashman
Why?
tim pool
Why is there more?
seamus coughlin
I just want to point out...
The quote that she chose implies that men are smarter.
Imagine how smart she must be to succeed in a field dominated by men.
tim pool
What's wrong with that?
seamus coughlin
Why would that be more difficult for a woman?
tim pool
So what was wrong with what she said?
seamus coughlin
She implied that men are smarter.
tim pool
So she was correct.
seamus coughlin
I'm just saying it's interesting she made that implication.
It's interesting that she said that.
jack posobiec
Seamus, are you saying men are made in the image and likeness of God Therefore, perhaps women who were made after...
seamus coughlin
Well, Eve came from Adam's side.
joshua lisec
St.
Thomas Aquinas had that, right?
jack posobiec
St.
joshua lisec
Thomas Aquinas.
See?
I've been to math nine times.
jack posobiec
He's getting Aquinas pilled over here.
tim pool
St.
Thomas Aquinas had a logical formula for why men are smarter than women?
jack posobiec
No, Aquinas is referring to the book of Genesis.
He's referring to the Bible.
tim pool
Oh, so he's like straight up the Bible says men are smarter than women?
seamus coughlin
No, it's not that men are smarter.
It's that men are supposed to be leaders.
Men and women are equal in the sense that we are made in God's image and likeness and have dignity and value, but men are meant to lead.
tim pool
Can I just...
shane cashman
Unless you're Joe Biden.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, listen, not all men rise in a cage.
jack posobiec
Not all men.
joshua lisec
Not all men.
jack posobiec
One at a time.
seamus coughlin
For anyone wondering, by the way, If you're young enough to have not seen SNL in the 90s, this should answer your question that it was not funny back then either.
shane cashman
Yeah, this was not funny even in the heyday.
jack posobiec
I like this era of SNL. I'll even say that I watched SNL pretty regularly throughout the 90s.
I loved like the Chris Farley era going into like the Chris Kattan, Will Ferrell era.
This very much was Will Ferrell era.
SNL was kind of a forgettable, you know, sketch.
Like I remember the sketch, like seeing the character.
I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah.
I remember that sketch.
And she used to smell her fingers.
And there was actually a movie.
I think so, too.
I honestly couldn't even tell.
I know Farrell was in it as the boyfriend character, and that's pretty much the only thing I remember about the movie.
shane cashman
Kamala's writers were like, we need a Catholic character.
jack posobiec
So clearly what's going on here is that, and I'll just say this, the theater kids need to be stopped.
seamus coughlin
100%.
unidentified
We have a theater kid occupied government.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's like, you know, that's literally what's going on, is that Kamala Harris' entire campaign is being run by theater kids.
I don't think there's anyone other than theater kids who remembers this character.
It's like, Molly Shannon, like, by the way, Molly Shannon is older than Kamala Harris.
She's actually, yeah, she is.
Look it up.
So Kamala Harris is 59.
Molly Shannon is 60.
Fact check me.
That she's actually older than Kamala Harris.
It's like, you couldn't find something just like...
tim pool
Oh yeah, she's 60.
jack posobiec
There you go.
shane cashman
They should have pulled out It's Pat for the trans movement.
jack posobiec
A little bit.
Oh no, you can't do that.
No.
And that was Julia Sweeney, by the way.
Boom, boom.
Keep them coming.
I'm telling you, I like that era of SNL. It just goes to show you that Nick Offerman had a song this week.
What?
I kid you not.
He has a song that he put out from Parks and Rec.
Which is even slightly a little bit newer than this SNL character, but again, they're trying so hard to find ways to appeal to millennials, and it's just so cringe.
joshua lisec
That's exactly what I was going to say.
tim pool
It feels like Gen Xers, though, because I was a little kid when she was doing this weird armpit sniffing stuff.
shane cashman
Yeah.
jack posobiec
I remember it.
It wasn't funny.
The character was funny.
tim pool
If Beavis and Butt had endorsed Kamala Harris, I might consider voting for it.
jack posobiec
But Mike Judge would never do that.
tim pool
I know.
shane cashman
We were on SNL recently, and those were good sketches.
jack posobiec
Because Mike Judge is based.
unidentified
Yeah, he is.
jack posobiec
Mike Judge is like friends with Alex Jones.
He used to go on Infowars back in the day.
He lives in Austin, I think, now.
And yeah, Mike Judge is great.
Keep in mind that Mike Judge also made Idiocracy, which completely predicted everything that we are living in now, like almost 20 years exactly to it.
seamus coughlin
Welcome to Costco.
I love you.
One thing about this sketch, too.
jack posobiec
I met my wife there.
seamus coughlin
They, I mean, they're not the most biting, horrible anti-Catholic jokes you've ever heard, but just the safe, edgy, making fun of Catholics thing.
It's so old, it's so old.
I'm not even just saying that as a Catholic.
I think everyone watches that and they're like, oh, that was so brave.
tim pool
The Gretchen Whitmer Doritos thing?
jack posobiec
That was so weird.
It was disgusting.
And Trump turned that into a joke.
He said, where's Kamala Harris today?
I guess she's not here.
Maybe she's in Michigan getting communion with Gretchen Whitmer.
seamus coughlin
Did he say that?
jack posobiec
Yeah, he said that.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh, I missed that one.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so Trump actually makes a much better, more nuanced Catholic joke than Kamala Harris ever could.
And actually, Seamus, I'll throw this out there since I didn't really plan to talk about this, but here we are.
So...
When that character came out, so in the 90s, the church was much more powerful of a force in society than it is now.
And so she's playing this ubiquitous Catholic schoolgirl type character, which was a stereotype in the 90s.
But Catholic schools don't exist anymore the way they used to.
seamus coughlin
It's true.
jack posobiec
They're all getting consolidated.
They are getting smashed.
They are getting my own Catholic high school.
So, Tim, like, you know, I used to talk about, you know, come on here and talk about my hometown.
And I'm getting, like, fact-checked about this because I talked about it on the Tucker tour.
And so I got this, you know, fake, you know, journalist, whatever, was like, is it true that your hospital was demolished and now there's a Planned Parenthood?
Like, yes.
And so my Catholic high school was actually in the process of being torn down as I was with Tucker on the tour.
And I've gone back and I just did a video of it right there.
Like, you can see there's a whole of it.
So basically, when...
It was funny back in the day because the church just had a more ubiquitous role in society today.
Whereas now, where, like, Catholics really are feeling like they're persecuted, which, by the way, persecuted by people like Kamala Harris, who said, if you're a member of the Knights of Columbus, which is, like, the most vanilla, you know, these are, like, the church and, like, the guys who bring you to your pew, like, hey, there's two seats over here, there's four seats over there.
They do coffee and donuts after service.
seamus coughlin
No, they're radical Catholics, Jack.
jack posobiec
And she was calling them radicals and saying that you were, like, she was likening them to the KKK, which, you know, if you know anything about the history...
seamus coughlin
Which doesn't like Catholics, by the way.
jack posobiec
If you know anything about the history, actually, the Knights of Columbus were, yeah, right, they were actually instituted to protect Catholics from the KKK, but whatever, you know, Dems are real racist.
And it was so because and, you know, and then traditional Catholics like Latin mass Catholics or trad cats are actually being persecuted by the likes of Kamala Harris and her administration right now.
That's why it comes across as mean spirited, even though to and I'll just be fair.
Like, I don't think that Molly Shannon was like being necessarily anti Catholic.
Like she was being very cringe.
seamus coughlin
She probably didn't even think about it.
But that's my point.
That's why it's safe edgy.
It's just totally anodyne.
Jokes about the Catholic Church are bland.
jack posobiec
But that's what I'm saying, though, is that the power differential has totally changed from where it was in the 90s to where it is now.
seamus coughlin
And even in the 90s, they were faking it in a lot of ways, this idea that the Catholic Church was in charge of everything as an institution.
Like, yes, let's punch up at those nuns.
tim pool
Let me pull this clip from Trump.
I want to get his response in here because you guys are going to love it.
Trump War Room posted this video.
I hope you guys enjoy it.
Let me start it over.
unidentified
Sorry.
And that's why you're canceling events.
donald j trump
What event did I cancel?
I haven't canceled.
She doesn't go to any events.
She's a loser.
She didn't even show up for the Catholics last night at the hotel, who was insulted.
All they are are sound bites.
So today, I was at Fox& Friends at 7 in the morning.
I then went to two different other appearances.
I then made about 15 phone calls.
I've gone 48 days now without a rest.
And I've got that loser who doesn't have the energy of a rabbit.
Let me tell you something.
tim pool
He doesn't have the energy of a rabbit.
jack posobiec
He was up at 7am.
Yeah.
Like, like, like, live on air.
unidentified
Not only am I not, I'm not even tired.
donald j trump
I'm really exhilarated.
You know why?
unidentified
Because the American people don't want her.
donald j trump
She didn't pass her bar exam.
She's not a smart person.
She's not a person that should represent our country.
So I just want to let you know that very clearly.
jack posobiec
I just wanted to let you know that.
tim pool
I did like it when the second time he called her a loser and said she doesn't have the energy of a rabbit.
jack posobiec
This reminds me of his Rosie O'Donnell promo.
It's like, she's got the face of a truck driver.
It's just this classic.
But there is actually something that...
There's some truth to the question that is being asked about why have some of the events gone that were on the public schedule that have been taken off?
And different rallies have been...
Or events have been changed from rallies to...
messaging events or, you know, stuff that was done like in my hometown area.
So Doylestown, I'm not from Doylestown, Norristown, but, you know, it's like 30 minutes away.
He was going to do this event, this huge public event.
Shamus, I'm sure you've heard of it.
it, he was going to go to the Polish National Shrine, Our Lady of Czestochowa, with the president of Poland, and yet suddenly it was just taken off the schedule at the last minute, and the question was, why was this?
joshua lisec
Because they keep trying to kill him.
jack posobiec
Right.
And so the media narrative has been like, oh, he's exhausted, that's why they're doing this.
Now, number one, you know, their They're throwing crazy amounts of events out there, and that's why it doesn't hit with the narrative.
But the truth behind the matter is that there have been a lot of security concerns, and one of the reasons that they've been taking a lot of events off is these security concerns, or are these concerns.
And the Secret Service coming in saying like, hey, we don't think we can keep you safe at all of these various things.
And so that's why they've been truncating certain things from a public event becomes a messaging event and it's press only or you have to cancel that.
And we just, by the way, just were chasing ballots over at Our Lady of Czestochowa.
I went to the Polish mass.
It was awesome.
So they have Latin mass there, English mass and Polish mass all in the same morning that you can all go to.
And it's incredible.
But yeah, that's really what's going on.
And I can understand why Trump doesn't want to say that publicly.
But that's actually what's going on.
So the media is just lying.
They're saying he's exhausted when it really is.
tim pool
They're lying?
jack posobiec
I know, right?
tim pool
I can't believe it.
jack posobiec
When it really is that Democrats keep trying to kill him.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
jack posobiec
And that's why, and by the way, they've already taken out one Trump supporter this year named Corey Kompatoria by an ActBlue donor, and that's one of the reasons that they've had to be really careful with his schedule.
shane cashman
And if these attacks were happening to Kamala, they would have locked down the country.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
We're just going after him all the time.
shane cashman
Insane.
seamus coughlin
Well, they also, let's mention this, it's not even something we have to explain by saying that there have been attempted assassinations, even though that's relevant information, because he's still done way more events than she has.
He's done way more appearances than she has.
He's done more town halls than she has.
He's done more radio interviews, more television.
On every single metric, he has done more than her by a significant margin.
shane cashman
Joe Biden campaigned from the basement and he still won.
tim pool
I mean, maybe we should stop considering that Trump's statements are opinions and that there's actually a fact basis to calling Kamala a loser.
Objectively a loser.
Objectively a loser.
jack posobiec
What has she ever won?
tim pool
Well, she was given the nomination.
jack posobiec
There was that primary that she won.
Remember the one where she...
You know, where she won all the votes of the Democrat Party, you know, the big democracy.
And they've actually pointed out that she hasn't had a competitive election in years, unless you count the primary of 2020, which she resoundingly lost.
In fact, every single one of us in this room got exactly as many nomination votes as Kamala Harris in 2020 and 2024.
tim pool
That's pretty good for us, you know what I mean?
jack posobiec
So we're doing well.
We could run as Democrats.
I liked when Trump was like, Chuck's here.
He calls it the Democratic Party because he thinks it sounds nice, but I call it the Democrat Party because it sounds worse.
Patting him on the back.
What's really funny, though, is it's very clear.
By the way, Governor Hochul is sitting right there.
Letitia James is up in the back and is clapping, who is currently trying to put him in jail right now.
By the way, if he loses, if he's still alive, because they keep trying to take him out, that he will be put in jail.
This is why everyone needs to be voting right now.
tim pool
I mean, yeah.
How many states have voting going on right now?
jack posobiec
Well, in swing states, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona, North Carolina have it all open.
So those are like four of the top seven.
And Michigan as well, I know, has it.
I don't know off the top of my head about Wisconsin.
I think they do, but...
Yeah, that's your seven right there.
So your Rust Belt and your Sun Belt, basically, and then Nevada.
And so...
Letitia James is like currently trying to put him in jail and yet she's up there clapping.
It's like, you know what it reminded me of in a weird way?
It reminded me of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.
So do you remember at the Kyle Rittenhouse trial that moment where they let Kyle walk up to the judge and actually stand right behind the judge when they were watching that piece of footage and they couldn't get it up on a certain monitor?
And it was like, wait, hold on a second.
This guy's on trial for double murder and nobody seems to have a problem with him just standing right behind the judge like that?
Think of the subtext here.
If this were an actual hardened criminal that people thought was a real murderer, you would never let him do that!
Ted Bundy or Norman Bates or something.
You would never let him just stand behind the...
I watched all the psycho movies this week.
And then I watched Kamala Harris, which is very similar.
unidentified
Like, Trump is still in office!
jack posobiec
He's been in office for 10 years!
Like, no, sweetheart, you're the one with the bloody knife.
tim pool
He's been running.
But he's been running.
jack posobiec
You know what I'm talking about.
So that's kind of like what this was in a weird...
So basically, in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, you knew that that was the moment that everybody sort of knew that this kid was innocent.
Like, nobody actually thinks he's a killer or else you'd never treat him this way.
tim pool
He'd be in shackles.
jack posobiec
He'd be in shackles.
joshua lisec
Everyone's there in the room with Trump because they don't think.
jack posobiec
Because, number one, they don't think he's a criminal.
Number two, they all know that he's the real president.
And they all just sort of deferred to him in that room as if he was the leader.
shane cashman
And his jokes deflated all of that pressure.
joshua lisec
Exactly.
shane cashman
And they deflated even the attempts in your book.
His jokes cut through all of that.
And then that video from Kamala, I can't even imagine those jokes being told.
tim pool
She got booed.
jack posobiec
It's like when you survive two assassinations, you pretty much, you know, it's like, what are you going to do after that?
unidentified
Destroyed.
jack posobiec
So you just walk right in with no fear.
shane cashman
And Gaffigan made fun of Letitia to her face, too.
tim pool
That was great!
He was like, don't worry if you don't have any allegations, Letitia James is sitting right here.
unidentified
Oh!
shane cashman
Is Eric Adams in the room?
jack posobiec
Yeah, no, Eric Adams was there, and he's like, Eric Adams is here, I know he's got a special diet, but maybe we can serve him some turkey tonight.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
tim pool
Dude, it was great.
shane cashman
It was very good.
tim pool
I think the reality is Kamala couldn't go because she doesn't have the wherewithal to speak publicly like that.
jack posobiec
Well, so here's the thing, right?
seamus coughlin
She's not good at it.
jack posobiec
No, it's true.
She's been challenging Trump to a debate publicly.
She's been desperate to have it.
Debate me.
Why won't you debate me?
Debate me again.
Debate me tomorrow.
Debate me Tuesday.
Debate me Wednesday.
I'm going to be outside of Mar-a-Lago lying in the bushes like this Ukrainian foreign fighter guy with a Kaliznikov waiting for you to debate me.
And...
She could have just showed up, and that would have been like a quasi-debate, and yet she chose not to.
And this is the reason, and Seamus has the cartoon, and we all saw this week, this is what happens when you put her in an uncontrolled environment where she has to stand on her own two feet, where she doesn't have two mainstream media blockers and tacklers running interference for her.
She can't hang.
She just straight up can't hang.
tim pool
I'm so optimistic right now.
Everything we're seeing right now today with the polls and Trump is winning every battleground state right now in aggregate.
Okay, so this is not just a single poll.
All of the polls combined and averaged out for every battleground state have Donald Trump up, beating Kamala Harris.
seamus coughlin
I want to preface what I'm about to say with this.
Get out and vote.
Statistics don't vote.
Polls don't vote.
Gambling odds don't vote.
Our opinions don't vote.
You've got to get out there and vote.
That said, I think part of why Kamala is such a particularly horrible candidate is because we got...
Or I should say the Democratic Party got the worst of both worlds from the primary process with her.
So one of the difficult things about presidential primaries is when you run at a primary, you have to signal to the most extreme faction of your party that you are going to be the person who they want to nominate for president.
And then as soon as you start running for president, if you get the nomination, you have to abandon all of those things.
You have to distance yourself from those things and say, no, I'm actually a moderate.
I'm going to appeal to normal Americans.
I'm going to try to appeal to the other side to some degree.
But the advantage is supposed to be that you have sharpened yourself by debating other candidates in the party to the point where you were able to get votes and delegates from people in your own party because they saw you debate and they said this is someone who can go up against other people.
Kamala did a whole lot of the signaling to the far left in her party that she was the person they should pick and she did basically none of the successfully arguing with people who are trying to tear her apart part of the primary process.
And now she's the nominee.
So all they have is baggage.
The only thing they have from her primary process is the baggage.
tim pool
Let me play this clip.
I gotta play this clip from Donald Trump at the Al Smith dinner.
Take a listen.
donald j trump
There's a group called White Dudes for Harris.
Have you seen this?
White Dudes for Harris.
Anybody know?
Are some of you here?
White Dudes for Harris.
Doesn't sound like it.
I'm not worried about them at all because their wives and their wives' lovers are all voting for me.
tim pool
That was so good.
That right there, a single joke perfectly exemplifies why Kamala did not show up.
When he says white dudes for Harris, the woman yells and he goes, that doesn't sound like it.
That is quick wit.
That was funny even outside of the joke he had scripted.
Trump knows how to play a crowd.
This is why The Apprentice does well, did well.
This is why Donald Trump was a celebrity because he knows how to entertain large groups of people and that wins elections.
jack posobiec
Norm Macdonald actually, the late great Norm Macdonald actually praised Trump for this once.
And he did this interview up in Canada and he was talking about, and he kind of catches himself.
He's like, I went to one of these Trump events once where he speaks to these large halls and You know, just to see how it was.
And he's like, of course, of course, caveat, caveat.
And he said that what he's doing is an act, and he's doing an act the same way that, you know, Norm comes from the stand-up world, and he's like, this is the same kind of act that anyone would...
Be able to do, and he's actually quite good at it.
And if you're someone who doesn't like him, then maybe you should try to understand why it is that so many people like it, and it's clearly very effective.
And he pointed out that one of the reasons why current SNL isn't able to do a good impression of him Is because to do an impression of someone, which, by the way, Dana Carvey's Joe Biden is the best one they've ever done, is because to do a good impression, Norm said, you have to actually like the person.
And what does that mean?
Is that because nobody hates themselves.
So if you hate the person and you're doing an impression through that, which all of Kamala's humor is, because it's all mean-spirited, and this, you know, and, you know, Seamus, you know humor better than anyone here, that if it's mean-spirited, it will come across in the art and it will not be funny.
tim pool
So take a look at when Alec Baldwin was doing Donald Trump.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
It didn't make sense.
unidentified
He was just making weird faces and going, gay, gay.
tim pool
And it was like, or when Family Guy mocked Trump, it was over the top, a clown with an orange face and tiny hands fighting Trump.
And it's like, but these aren't like, here's the problem I have with this is make fun of Trump by exaggerating the things that we know he does.
So when I do the Trump voice, I always just go cartoonish with it.
unidentified
The radical left!
tim pool
And then I always say, everyone agrees, at least that's what I've been told.
So it's like, take actual characteristics, exaggerate them, and people understand the joke you're making.
What we see with the liberals and SNL on the left, when they mock Trump, they make up fake things about him and then make a character based on the fake ideas they have about him.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
shane cashman
Shane Gillis has the best Trump impersonation.
tim pool
He's great.
He's great.
seamus coughlin
I think some of the best Trump impressions, and by the way, Trump is far from my strongest.
I do the Trump impression because I'm the person available to do it for the cartoons.
But one of the issues with the most Trump impressions is they're making fun of this idea.
It's not even just that they don't like him.
It's that they have no idea who he is.
They have this idea of what Donald Trump is in their heads that doesn't correspond to reality.
So it's like, I love Russia and Putin, and that's the joke.
It's like, I'm a fascist.
All of the jokes are really lame and overly political and just trying to make a point rather than just riffing on some of the silliness that you can get out of a Trump impression.
tim pool
Alec Baldwin kept doing a weird thing with his mouth where he would squeeze his lips together and go like this.
Trump doesn't do that.
But the reason why he was doing it is because the photos that they use of Trump are mid, while Trump is speaking, and he'll be talking, and then he'll go like this, and then they'll freeze that image of him and use that.
So in Alec Baldwin's mind, he doesn't watch clips of Trump.
He doesn't listen to what Trump has to say.
He sees pictures in the liberal press over and over again of Trump making that face, and so he makes the face.
Then anybody who actually watches the news is like, why is he doing that face?
What is that?
shane cashman
That's what, in that interview you're referencing with Norm Macdonald, he talked about something him and his co-writer did not like, which was they called clapped Which is just easy jokes.
joshua lisec
John Oliver.
shane cashman
It wasn't John Oliver.
It was Jim someone.
But that's what John Oliver does.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, John Oliver's whole career.
tim pool
Terrible.
shane cashman
But specifically, they were talking about Seth Meyers.
Which is the guy who took over Weekend Update that Norm used to do.
And they were saying they just make jokes based off headlines.
Because they're buying to the caricature of the person, not the real person.
joshua lisec
And the point is to entrance people and like, this is the acceptable opinion.
This is okay.
This is what we believe.
This is what we agree.
You continue to clap for it.
And the point is not for it to be funny.
It's not to be factual.
It's to create a sense of tribal coherence so that you identify with the political positions.
You identify with the philosophy and none of it is based on reality.
It's that meme.
Remember that meme that Elon shared that low testosterone males, they don't look at, well, what's true.
They say, what are okay with people?
unidentified
Yeah.
joshua lisec
What's okay for the vast majority of people to think, I think is true.
What's okay based on that?
But the reason why this particular video is funny, making fun of the white dudes for Harris, is because, and this is why humor is like 150% of the truth, the reason it's funny is because the vast majority of polyamorous males are liberal.
Of course.
shane cashman
It's rude and true.
joshua lisec
So the white dudes for Harris, they do actually have...
Honey, get in here!
Get in here!
Kamala's killing it!
Bring your boyfriend!
Bring your boyfriend!
Because that's actually what it is.
unidentified
Honey, get your boyfriend!
tim pool
They got him!
They got Trump!
unidentified
Do you think...
jack posobiec
Do you think...
And I haven't done any reporting on this, but do you think that he had any, like, professional...
So he's got a lot...
Obviously, he's going on, like, Theo Vaughn and a bunch of these different, you know, comedian podcasts and shows, so do you think he had anyone professional?
joshua lisec
I think Baron is sending in memes.
Baron is sending in memes.
shane cashman
Yep.
tim pool
I think Barron had to have helped him with the wives and the wives' lovers.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Barron said cuck and they went, I don't think the people here will understand what that is, so let's say wives' lovers.
shane cashman
I wouldn't be surprised if Tony Hinchcliffe wrote a few of those jokes.
Some of those were so sharp and so roast-worthy, like new school Don Rickles type, that those guys, that crowd, the Theos, the Kill Tony crowd, I think they must have written a few of those jokes.
tim pool
Wait, Trump has not gone on Kill Tony.
shane cashman
No, but we're manifesting it.
tim pool
There's two weeks, two opportunities for him to go on Kill Tony.
That would be the biggest podcast in the history of podcasting.
jack posobiec
He was on with The Undertaker today.
seamus coughlin
Are you sure he wasn't on?
jack posobiec
Oh, really?
seamus coughlin
Oh, okay, so Shane Gillis was really good.
shane cashman
It has to happen.
After his showing last night, I think he'd hang.
And he could take it.
He could take the jokes.
seamus coughlin
He can take any condition.
What would Kamala do?
I made a cartoon about what she would do.
tim pool
It would be the one time she wasn't laughing.
seamus coughlin
Who was it?
Oh man, I think it was actually maybe Mark Normand who said this.
He had a really good point.
He's like, one of the ironies is Trump is very funny and he never laughs.
And Kamala's not funny and she's always laughing.
I can't get that out of my head now that I've noticed it.
It's so true.
She laughs all the time.
She doesn't say anything funny.
Donald Trump is hysterical.
He has the whole room in stitches and he's just standing up there like, Yep.
shane cashman
Confidence.
And he's, you know, more authentic than most of these other people.
joshua lisec
I must have watched that video of he and Milani putting the chocolate bars on top of the minion child maybe 15 times in a row.
Oh, dude, it's so good!
jack posobiec
Yes, he does it.
Because the minion's got a bag, but the bag is like...
joshua lisec
The bag's not open.
tim pool
I realized that's why he did that.
jack posobiec
I've gone like fulls of Bruder films.
unidentified
I haven't seen this one.
jack posobiec
So, by the way, yeah, like we wrote the whole book on the assassination.
I zoomed in.
But I probably did, like, just as much research on this video of the Minion on Halloween at whatever year it was in the White House.
And it's just the funniest thing because this kid's dressed up.
It's one of those, like, you know how they have, like, the inflatable costumes now?
So it's inflatable.
And he goes for the bag.
But for whatever reason, the bag isn't, it's, like, not open.
joshua lisec
It's in his right hand.
And the kid's, like, waddling up there.
jack posobiec
And the kid's, like, waddling.
And it's just awkward.
So Trump just kind of looks at him, sizes it up, and he puts the candy right on the head.
joshua lisec
But he doesn't just put it on his head.
unidentified
And then he taps it on the head.
jack posobiec
And then Melania follows up.
She's like, well, that's what we're doing.
joshua lisec
And then the boy, he takes the L like a man.
unidentified
He just takes the L. That wasn't an L. That was a win.
tim pool
Why didn't you put chocolate on your head?
jack posobiec
Oh, but he lost the chocolate.
unidentified
He lost the chocolate.
joshua lisec
He turns around and he just walks away.
And then a mother, it looks like, scrambles over to pick it up.
jack posobiec
So good.
tim pool
He bounces it on the head.
jack posobiec
So good.
tim pool
He's a funny guy.
seamus coughlin
He's hysterical.
jack posobiec
Remember when he looked at the solar eclipse?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, but they made fun of him for that, and I'm like, he looked up and glanced and looked down.
It was a split second.
jack posobiec
No, I didn't know who it was, but it's the photo.
They take a photo.
Don't do it.
And he's like, I'm going to do it.
tim pool
I still think one of the best things ever is at the Butler Rally when he started with, as I was saying...
seamus coughlin
That was hysterical.
unidentified
Wow, dude.
jack posobiec
That was pretty...
I mean, as I was saying...
Because he said he was going to do it, right?
He said over and over, and we were all...
So you were there, I was there, Joshua was there.
Were you guys there at all?
Because he kept saying that's what I was going to do.
And what was great...
About it was, he didn't just say, as I was saying, he actually did like the full paragraph of the speech of whatever was going to come next.
Like he completed his whole spot.
Everybody was clapping over it in the moment.
So you couldn't really, it's very emotional, obviously.
And you couldn't really like get it all out.
But I noticed that he went and did like the full completed his thought.
Biden was here and then it went down and then he came in.
I would count it and it was down and then Biden comes in.
It went up and he he finished his entire thought because in his head, in his mind, when J13 happened, he was in the middle of a speech.
And he like there's there's some sense because he always gives speeches because he always has been for a decade now.
And Kamala is right about that.
He has been giving public speeches for a decade that he wanted.
shane cashman
He even turned that into a bit.
A bit was interrupted by an assassination attempt.
He returned to the police.
jack posobiec
And he was like, I'm going to finish that.
seamus coughlin
Well, this is also the difference between somebody who is a performer who made their living in the private sector and built a brand around their own name as opposed to a politician who has focus grouped every aspect of their personality and who you have to choose from a set of other politicians who are also not that interesting or funny or good on their feet.
I mean...
Our political leaders are so mediocre in every single way.
It's not just that they're not very intelligent.
It's not just that they're not very moral.
They're just not that entertaining either.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
I love my favorite part of his...
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they don't have that much charisma.
shane cashman
My favorite part of his remarks last night was when he told the story about doing this dinner last time, which is when he was running against Hillary.
jack posobiec
Right.
shane cashman
And he said, I was going pretty hard on her.
I was being really mean.
Even my side was saying, you're going too tough.
You should stop.
He goes, I'm going to do it anyway.
I love that he's just so down.
jack posobiec
Do you remember what he did in 16?
And Hillary was there sitting like, I think it was like Trump, then Melania, then Hillary, if I remember correctly.
And what Trump did was he had had a routine that was already worked out.
And he goes, I'm not really going to.
He did a little bit of it.
And he said, I'm going to cut this short.
He's like, because I got something else I want to do.
And he just reaches into his pocket and he pulls out a stack of WikiLeaks that he had printed out.
And it was Hillary's own emails.
And then he just landed that down and started reading her own emails back to her from WikiLeaks.
tim pool
I want to pull up this story.
This is from the Post Millennial.
The View host praises Kamala for skipping Catholic Al Smith charity dinner.
I love it.
And you know what?
This is the story.
jack posobiec
Love the ad up there too, buddy.
tim pool
That's a great ad.
jack posobiec
I love that ad.
tim pool
The Al Smith dinner has not been skipped by a candidate since Mondale.
And Mondale lost 49 states.
So...
I think we've got this phenomenon where no matter what Kamala does, no matter what she does, there is some weird alternate reality where what she's doing is good.
And to better explain this, I want to play for you a clip from Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
We just made this one.
jack posobiec
Is this the actual interview or is this the cartoon?
seamus coughlin
So this is the cartoon.
jack posobiec
Okay, thank you.
seamus coughlin
We worked hard to make it look as realistic as possible.
jack posobiec
It's very hard to tell.
tim pool
This is a one-minute rendition of what it's like when Kamala engages the media.
seamus coughlin
Ms.
Harris, thank you for joining us.
Thank you for having me, Brad.
Thank you.
We'll see how this goes for you.
unidentified
Mrs.
Harris, how many people do you believe have crossed the borders?
Mrs.
Harris.
Pamela, please.
Mrs.
donald j trump
Vice President, it's a simple question.
unidentified
I'm speaking.
Excuse me.
Boo! Boo! Boo!
No, this is just an ejection.
Wait, wait, wait.
It gets better.
tim pool
Listen, listen, listen.
seamus coughlin
All right, well, I'm just going to say it.
She destroyed him.
Oh, my gosh.
Right?
Oh, golly.
He's so embarrassed.
unidentified
I bet those Republicans are regretting that one.
Kamala. Kamala. Kamala.
tim pool
So Seamus, so masterfully captured.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
tim pool
The exact point that I wanted to make with this story from the Post Millennial is that when I... Okay, so I'm hanging out today with some friends who are not very political, and they were like, yo, that interview, that was crazy.
Like, it was terrible.
And I'm like, yeah, well, for some reason, when you go to these Democrat pundits, they're like, what?
That was the best interview ever done.
She sure showed him.
seamus coughlin
Which is so nuts, right?
Because...
Listen, obviously I want Trump to win the election.
I think he's a lot better than her.
But when he doesn't have his best showing, I don't pretend that he did.
Even in the debate where Biden ended up dropping in the polls massively and needed to drop out, I thought Biden did terribly.
But I said, it's not that I think Trump had a phenomenal showing.
I didn't think it was his best appearance by any stretch.
Biden just did really poorly.
They can't say the same thing.
They are incapable of saying, yeah, you know what, that was an off day for her.
She didn't do a great job.
jack posobiec
Look at the second debate.
Well, so the second debate for Trump, the first debate for Kamala, I don't think you found a lot of Trump supporters, myself included, who were like, oh my gosh, Trump did so good.
There were certainly moments where you're like, oh, that was a really good moment or that was good.
But I think there were a lot of people pointed out that she did better than a lot of people expected.
And really, most people were just kind of focused on the moderators interjecting the whole time.
tim pool
The only, like, crack in the glass that got through was when Biden was miserably performing and they all just collectively went, holy crap, it was so bad there was no denying it.
seamus coughlin
But even after that they kept saying, sharp as a tack.
It was not until the new party line was issued that they were willing to acknowledge that once they went, okay, this is, I guess, too ridiculous.
Which is strange to me that they draw the line there when they say men can get pregnant.
But at the same time, She performed absolutely horribly here.
Her party's still trying to say she did well.
I want to shout one thing out related to the cartoon that we made here.
One of my favorite comments, you'll notice at the end, Chaz is cheering, Kamala, Kamala, Kamala, and then she crashes through the ceiling and crushes him.
My favorite comment was, they timestamped that and they said, he made the mistake of chanting her name three times and summoning her.
tim pool
So you guys should definitely subscribe to Freedom Tunes.
It's about to hit a million.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we're 20,000 subs away from a million.
Get out over there, subscribe, please.
tim pool
In the Trump-Kamala debate, I said right away, Trump got flustered.
Kamala went right for him.
She attacked his ego.
Trump went right for it.
It was predictable.
And that was not good for Trump.
However, Trump won.
You know why?
Kamala needed that opportunity in the press to say, here's my plan for you, the American people.
Here's the economic plan.
Here's your health care plan.
Here's your immigration plan.
And instead...
I will throw it to Ian Crossland for the best example of what that night ended up doing.
Ian comes in the next day being like, I hate them both.
I hate them both.
Trump was just like, oh, my rallies, oh, my rallies.
But all Kamala did was just insult him over his rallies.
And like she wasn't even doing anything.
And so in the end, yeah, the people who don't like Trump don't like Trump.
But Kamala needed to offer something to people like Ian, who was sitting there being like, please give me a reason not to vote for Trump.
And then I said to Ian right away, do you like RFK Jr.?
He goes, yeah.
I said, well, RFK Jr.
says that if Trump wins, he wins.
And Ian's like, yeah.
So right now the edge is for Trump and Kamala lost the opportunity with that debate.
But I don't think anyone's under the belief that Trump masterfully handled it.
seamus coughlin
No, well, so I thought he was crushing her at the beginning of the debate, and then he let her get to him when she brought up the rallies.
And as soon as she baited him into that and he got angry, I think he started performing really poorly.
At the beginning of the night, she was really, really nervous.
He wasn't.
He was calm and composed.
Then she got him with the rallies.
He started getting upset.
And then his optics were downhill after that.
I have not heard or seen a Democrat give a similar analysis of Kamala completely floundering in her conversation with Bret Baier.
None of them have said, okay, well, you know, she said this thing or this thing that I thought was good, but when He pointed out that 79% of Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction and that she is the vice president of the administration.
They're blaming for that.
Maybe her response shouldn't have been, well, Donald Trump is running for president, so it's his fault.
She didn't say that.
tim pool
She just went, but Donald Trump is running.
And he goes, what?
And she's like, you know what I mean?
And he goes, no, I don't.
seamus coughlin
That level of intellectual honesty to be like, no, it was really bad for her.
shane cashman
I think they're overcompensating.
So they're in a real pickle.
jack posobiec
I can also explain a little bit about why that is, is because she is very vindictive as a person.
And I think that what you're seeing as well is that a lot of these media types are hedging their bets because they know nobody wants to be the one person who kind of goes first in order to do this because Let's say that, and this is a very close election, right?
Trump's got a lot of momentum right now, clearly, but it's still going to be very close.
The Democrats still control the ballot centers and those ballot machines in the big cities, Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Las Vegas.
Las Vegas is in a swing state, right?
Phoenix.
Shout out to Turning Point Action and the good work they're doing.
But all of these early votes, they're coming in.
And we're seeing a lot of Republican support there, much bigger than we've seen before for the early voting.
I love the early voting.
Elon's doing a bus tour.
He's at my brothers with him right now.
But still, it's going to tighten up.
And so what they're doing is they're hedging their bets because they know that if she gets in and she remembers That you were the person that was trashing her after the, whatever it is, the debate or the interview.
Now you're not getting invited to the White House.
Now you're not at the Christmas party.
Now you're not getting on the plane.
Now you're not getting the interview, the sit down, etc., etc.
seamus coughlin
That's a good point.
jack posobiec
That's exactly, I was told that earlier today.
That's exactly what's going on.
tim pool
Access journalism.
joshua lisec
Yeah, that's pathetic.
What it seems like is a sort of cult of personality.
Like, if you examine cult-like behavior and formation of...
I like to call it mass formation hypnosis, is the term that I prefer to use.
What we see happening around her is...
Focus on identity.
So when I talk to Kamala Stans, supporters and enjoyers, why they like her, they just, well, let's see, first of all, so her name is not Donald Trump.
So she's not white like Trump.
She's a Democrat, and Trump is not.
And everything goes back to who she is not and what she is not.
And then, okay, so...
And then they become a Planned Parenthood ad.
Have you ever seen a Planned Parenthood ad?
What is it?
Three words.
Abortion, abortion, abortion.
Planned Parenthood ad.
jack posobiec
Right.
joshua lisec
That becomes the message of Kamala and the Democrats.
And I have a tweet that I like to keep putting up because it keeps going.
I'll say, Republican plan, and it's safe neighborhoods, good jobs, strong communities, not total abortion access.
And then Democrats, not safe neighborhoods.
Not good jobs.
Not any of the above.
Yes to total abortion freedom.
And that seems to be what it is.
And that makes me go back to that Al Smith dinner bit that she did where it was the demographic who resonates with that Planned Parenthood ad in throwing a bunch of Easter eggs of things that that demographic likes.
They randomly mentioned House of the Dragon on HBO. That came out of absolutely nowhere.
shane cashman
Commercial and commercial.
joshua lisec
Yes, and it was, let's see, who's the demographic that watches that?
Well, so it's the wine aunt and her husband and her boyfriend.
The three of them watch it together.
Okay, so we need to work all this stuff in.
So it's like a market research by committee.
Like, what do you people like?
So polling her supporters and trying to put all of that into one thing.
Like, okay, you watch SNL. Okay, so it's a Catholics thing.
So is there anything Catholic-grade SNL? And they go dig up this old character from about 30 years ago, and they mishmash all of it together.
And so it's like product design by committee, that if that process were to create a software product, the software product would be unusable.
Whereas Trump's messaging is just like the Shazam app.
The Shazam app, it's like one button.
You open the app, you hold it up, Shazam, and it finds a You know what?
seamus coughlin
And I bet they pat themselves on the back, too.
Like, oh, we found the...
It's Catholic and it's SNL. We're putting them together.
Kamala's gonna crush tonight.
shane cashman
All high-fived at the end.
joshua lisec
Yeah, and you can hear it.
jack posobiec
You can hear it in the...
And there's even a West Wing, like, almost reference that they do where, you know, and I've caught the Biden administration a number of times just trying to copy West Wing plot lines and we're gonna backfill the Ukrainian...
F-15s with our own F-15s and we're going to get them from Poland.
I'm like, that's literally from a West Wing episode, but it was about Taiwan.
And it was like, well, the Polish F-15s are going to go here and then our F-15s.
joshua lisec
Theater kid occupied government.
jack posobiec
It is the theater kid occupied government.
seamus coughlin
Patrick Bateman.
That's literally me.
They watch Martin Sheen in that film like that is literally me.
No, it's not.
jack posobiec
Which West Wing was another 30 year old premise.
But, you know, this was sort of like the liberal wish casting of the Clinton administration, what they wanted it to be.
You know, this this wonderful, high minded thing.
And they constantly do this where they force meme.
They try to, like, tell you what this is.
My catchphrase.
You're going to repeat it.
Remember the coconut thing?
seamus coughlin
The coconut tree.
tim pool
The coconut dances?
jack posobiec
I didn't just fall out of the coconut tree and everyone's like, is that like racist?
seamus coughlin
Do people say that?
jack posobiec
Is that like a thing?
tim pool
It actually is a racial, so there was a viral post, probably not true, I don't know, but there was someone saying that in Eastern Europe, accusing someone of falling out of a coconut tree was a racist reference to them coming from a region.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
A specific region where people were eating, consuming coconuts.
jack posobiec
As the resident slav in the room, I've not heard that one, but I can ask Tanya.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
tim pool
It was like a viral post on X. That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Probably not true, but someone was like, to imply that someone thought of a coconut tree was a racist reference to the migrants that are coming to Europe.
jack posobiec
Yeah, like you're a coconut eater.
Things like that.
Yeah.
tim pool
So it was kind of weird.
But remember the coconut dances?
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
The women were doing those dances.
jack posobiec
Oh, gosh.
Tim, I have tried so hard to take an ice pick to my head and just kill all the brain cells.
And I don't drink.
I'll bring it back.
Why are you doing this?
unidentified
I don't drink.
tim pool
The people must know.
They must know of the horrors.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's interesting, though, because in the same way that we see...
Here's one of the problems with liberalism, one of the many problems, and I don't just mean...
jack posobiec
Just one of the problems, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, one of the problems.
I don't just mean leftism, by the way.
I mean liberalism, generally speaking, is a belief in it is contingent upon a total denial of obvious realities.
And so they don't know how to market to men or women properly because they can't acknowledge the actual differences between the sexes.
That's right.
So when they try to market to women, what they basically do is they put together these marketing campaigns that actually only appeal to terminally online homosexuals, like the brat thing, the coconut tree thing.
tim pool
I'm sorry, I'm playing it.
seamus coughlin
None of this stuff.
tim pool
Here you go.
joshua lisec
No.
unidentified
No.
Coconut, coconut, coconut, coconut, coconut, coconut, coconut.
shane cashman
Watch this.
This is like an MKUltra sugar.
jack posobiec
Didn't it come out that like a bunch of this was paid?
shane cashman
I'm sure a lot.
unidentified
Probably.
shane cashman
Yeah, a ton of the influencers have been approached with money.
kamala harris
My mother used to... Coconut.
tim pool
It's just not...
unidentified
Coconut, coconut, coconut, coconut, coconut, coconut.
shane cashman
Eating the dogs, eating the cats had been better.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
I can't believe it.
seamus coughlin
What did I say?
jack posobiec
And that really was, we were talking about the Trump debate.
So we were talking about the Trump-Kamala debate, and I remember, so I can remember when...
I first went on and I guess I saw on X that there was a song about eating the dogs, eating the cats.
unidentified
So good.
jack posobiec
And I initially was like, oh my gosh.
And this is on Twitter or TikTok.
This is on TikTok.
Let me check this out.
So I go over to TikTok and I've got like a burner account just so I can see like what's trending and look up stuff.
And then I... Look it up and I see people posting all over it.
And there were certainly some people who were anti-Trump about it.
And there were also people who were saying that it was the new lesbian anthem.
And there were also, just leave that where it is.
And then I was like, no, I'm going to post this.
And people are like, are you sure that's pro-Trump?
I said, look, what they're doing is they're using Donald Trump's voice.
And Joshua, it's like you were saying about hypnosis.
It's Trump's voice.
They're dancing to it.
They're smiling.
They're happy.
They're associating Donald Trump with a positive feeling.
Even if you tell me that it's anti-Trump or it's intended, that's not the actual fact.
shane cashman
Above all that, it is also kind of dystopian.
There's people dancing about Haitian immigrants.
joshua lisec
And the fact that it is directionally accurate.
jack posobiec
Which, by the way, Joshua, I should have said this, and you even said it, that you live right down the street from Springfield, Ohio.
joshua lisec
Yeah, so I live in Dayton, and then Springfield is the next town over.
And I went there for the—Vivek Ramoswami had the town hall, and I talked to this little gentleman from Politico, sassy personality, and I tried to be gentle with him, very gentle.
And a rather smarmy attitude.
I'm going to do an impression.
He was like, no, they're not eating the cats.
No, there's no truth to that.
This is the face that he's making at me.
And I'm like, okay, all right, I'm just going to play it.
jack posobiec
You're like, no, dude, I live here.
seamus coughlin
That's their entire playbook.
Just in the cringiest, most effeminate way possible, you have to scoff at anything anyone brings to your attention that upsets you.
And you're like, shut up.
jack posobiec
It is so obnoxious.
tim pool
You should have just been like, but I'm eating the cats too.
We do it together.
We're neighbors.
jack posobiec
I don't always go.
He's always frying them up.
A great cat cook-off.
I got other stuff that I've got going on.
joshua lisec
I think the subtext is that it is directionally accurate, over-the-top claims.
But I have had customers from Haiti, and years ago, they described how...
jack posobiec
These are your ghostwriting clients?
joshua lisec
Yes.
With nonchalance, around the Caribbean, there's no food.
You see a stray cat?
That's food.
tim pool
Well, Chris Ruvo posted a video of Cats on a Grill.
joshua lisec
In Dayton, by the way.
tim pool
In Dayton.
And the media claimed that it's been debunked.
And then I was like, well, let me read this.
And I read it.
There's no debunk at all.
seamus coughlin
No, never.
tim pool
It was just like, when we asked the people afterwards, they said, no, we don't do that.
What are you talking about?
That proves it was wrong.
And I'm like, or it proves that they're terrified that they're going to lose status.
joshua lisec
That is what the little man from Politico said.
Little man from Politico.
He said, with that smarmy voice shaking his head, kind of twitching a little bit, he said, it's been debunked.
It's been debunked.
And he used the passive voice.
So the way that liberals and leftists, the way that they communicate is, Scott Adams refers to it as word thinking.
So they think in words, not in reality, because it's like they live in a socially constructed reality.
And so the word choice that they use is so important to pay attention to.
Like when they use adverbs, when they say, Trump literally said the words they say after that, he did not actually say.
So when he said, it's been debunked, it's the passive voice.
What that means is, I haven't been over there.
I'm not a boots-on-the-ground reporter.
I haven't done that.
What that means is, my platform, my publication, has asserted it's not true, because they didn't find evidence because they didn't look for it.
Right.
shane cashman
Everything they say is literally the opposite.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
They don't need evidence.
They don't need evidence because it is de fide for them that immigrants can't cause problems anywhere.
It is de fide for them that third world immigrants coming to a developed western country can't cause problems for anyone ever and anyone who alleges otherwise is a big bad racist.
That's their religion.
But I just want to make one quick point about this because as you mentioned, it's known that in certain parts of Haiti they will eat cat.
There's people in Ohio where 20,000 Haitian immigrants were dumped saying, hey, they're taking pets, they're eating cats, they're eating dogs.
joshua lisec
Geese and the ducks.
seamus coughlin
And then what did the liberals say?
joshua lisec
What did they say?
seamus coughlin
Well, I eat duck too.
We hunt ducks.
We hunt ducks.
So, we know that they'll do it in their home country.
People say they're doing it here.
The same liberals and leftists who will tell you that the border is just an imaginary line will tell you that it magically stops people from behaving the way they did in their home country once they get here.
And I don't believe that.
tim pool
I'm just going to say this.
I think the song is funny.
I don't care if they eat cats or dogs.
You know what I'm going to say right now?
It's fake.
It's been debunked.
I accept that.
Guess what?
Trendy Aragua took over apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado, and the media ran full speed.
It is not happening.
And now they're saying it's only a handful.
And now they're reporting also they took over four complexes in San Antonio as well.
So...
Are they probably lying about the cats and dogs?
Of course they are.
But now they have no choice but to admit police are actually engaging in raids in San Antonio right now because Trendy Araga took over four buildings.
seamus coughlin
And when are we going to be hearing that it's happening, but it's good?
tim pool
Well, it's only a handful.
joshua lisec
The conservative case for Trende Agua.
seamus coughlin
I can't wait until David French puts that one out.
jack posobiec
As crazy as it was that Jocelyn Nungare, the 12-year-old who was raped and murdered in...
Outside of Houston, which, of course, Brett Baer was asking Kamala Harris, like, would you like to apologize to the mother?
Just have a little moment of show some humanity, please.
And it turned out that they're now finding that the two individuals associated with that have direct connections to Trendy Aragua.
tim pool
I think a lot of the problems we experience in this country are related to the inability of these liberal millennials to empathize with other people.
So, for example, a 12-year-old gets raped and murdered, and anyone of good conscience is terrified of it.
In fact, I question, if you played Sound of Freedom to a liberal, are they going to cry in the opening scene?
Because that one's hard to watch.
And they have Munchausen syndrome by proxy.
I don't know that they can empathize with other people.
joshua lisec
I think that might be part of it.
We do know that liberal women tend to be diagnosed with multiple and more psychiatric disorders and mental illnesses more than any demographic and it's not even close.
So mental illness could be part of it.
I think, in my personal opinion, Trump derangement syndrome is, let's say, an amplifier and also an exemplifier of a pre-existing mental illness.
But it's this sort of How do I feel about that personally?
I feel like that's so bad, no one could do that to another person.
That has to be exaggerated.
Like, if you have conversations with white liberal women who have children, and this is pretty universal in any state, in any age, even if you ask people in their 60s, they will be horrified that you showed them that video.
I feel bad.
So I feel bad for having seen it.
So now it's about me.
Let's center my emotions and my feelings.
I feel bad that you showed me that.
Why would you show that to me?
jack posobiec
Now they're mad at you.
tim pool
But that's my point.
They don't empathize with the feelings of the other people.
joshua lisec
And then they'll say, that couldn't be happening here.
That's right-wing propaganda.
seamus coughlin
Why would you do that?
joshua lisec
Why would you do that?
seamus coughlin
Liar!
And the things that they're doing and the things that they're supporting are so disgusting and so horrible that often it sounds like that.
That was one of the problems when the story broke in 2015 about the fact that Planned Parenthood was literally selling baby parts.
People were going, oh, come on, that's crazy.
Planned Parenthood is selling baby parts.
jack posobiec
And by the way, who was it?
Wait, wait, wait, wait, James.
So David Ladey and Daleiden.
seamus coughlin
And Kamala Harris prosecuted him.
Yeah, who was the person who prosecuted him?
jack posobiec
That's right, Kamala Harris prosecuted him.
Threw him away for filming it.
seamus coughlin
Look, look, look.
She didn't prosecute them.
tim pool
Donald Trump at the debate with Kamala says she wants transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants who are detained.
And the liberal media went, Trump is crazy in making these things up, despite the fact it was CNNK file that reported that in the first place.
jack posobiec
Have you noticed that almost all of the NFL ads that Trump is running are about that?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then Kamala got asked by Brett Baer and she's like, I'm gonna follow the law with it.
seamus coughlin
She's like, I will follow the law.
That's not what you said.
unidentified
That's not what you said, She said, I have followed the law.
jack posobiec
No, she went, See, I'm mixing up the cartoon and the real one again.
I keep having issues with this, but no, the complete inability, and Tim, I think you're right, because it's also, I think it's also that they will have, like, the toxic empathy, and shout out to Ali Beth Stuckey, who's doing that, and suicidal empathy with these out-groups, but when there's a group that is closer to them, and you've seen this in studies as well of liberals...
That they empathize more with out-groups and further out-groups than they do with closer groups.
And you see this with the complete lack of information.
They've just dropped the narrative about Asheville.
joshua lisec
Can I totally interrupt you on that?
That rings a bell for me.
So, in evolution and biology, there is this concept called the extended phenotype.
An example of that would be a bird, the nest.
The nest is extended phenotype.
Richard Dawkins, I think, coined this.
tim pool
So what does that mean?
Elaborate.
joshua lisec
Yes.
So it is an evolved activity, behavior that the critter does with its environment to create reproductive success or odds of that.
So beavers build dams, for example.
tim pool
Squirrels bury nuts?
joshua lisec
Yes.
That's survival, right?
Yes.
So one could posit that the liberals' toxic empathy is the extended phenotype of these animals.
Hyper-masculine, low-time preference individuals, because they benefit from it, and they engage in...
tim pool
Hyper-masculine?
joshua lisec
Yes.
seamus coughlin
So he's saying normal men, or hyper-masculine men in this case, benefit through the evolutionary strategy of this seeing...
joshua lisec
I'm talking about male migrants whose actual, quote-unquote, toxic masculinity behavior where they don't take no for an answer, they take what they want from women in these host countries.
jack posobiec
Invaders.
joshua lisec
They invade, they do what they want, right?
It's like...
jack posobiec
So it's almost like a mating instinct is what you're saying.
joshua lisec
Yes, but it's at the expense of the people who are doing that.
jack posobiec
Literally everything.
seamus coughlin
Well, this is why there's an important principle I know Jack's familiar with called subsidiarity.
You gotta help those closest to you.
That always has to be your primary focus.
And it's good to help other people.
But if you have taken on the responsibility of caring for other people, your wife, your children, your family, And you start helping strangers, that's all well and good until and unless helping strangers gets in the way of feeding your children.
And then at that point, what you're doing is actually morally wrong.
You have to pay attention to your children and help your children and your wife and your family first.
And this toxic idea that there is some virtue in caring equally for people you have no relationship with as you do your own family when you're responsible for them is so pervasive that we have Tim Walz, On national television bragging about the fact that he's so in touch with reality and so down to earth because his 90-year-old mother needs Social Security to feed herself.
Imagine the blind spot of openly admitting that you are a deadbeat son on air.
You're a wealthy politician.
If I'm a wealthy politician, my mother's not living off of Social Security.
My mother's not feeding herself on government assistance.
It's disgusting.
But to him, It's disgusting and people vote for that.
shane cashman
I would also say lockdowns and the George Floyd riots were another way of accelerating these people's need to help, quote unquote, help other people outside of their communities.
Sending them money to burn down cities.
And I also saw people in cities near me in New York saying, we forgive you for shattering our windows of our small business that you just...
seamus coughlin
I just want to make one.
If you are watching this and you're like a middle class or lower middle class person who doesn't have means and you have family and social security, I get it.
But for a wealthy politician to brag about that, it's like, what's wrong with you?
Sorry.
jack posobiec
This is also one of the reasons that when – so when Joshua and I put this book together and we wrote it like really fast, like in a period of a month, you'll hear when Kamala Harris talks, she'll say, oh, well, Trump's rhetoric is dangerous and Trump is dangerous and he's going to go after opponents.
And I'm sitting there like – A Trump supporter was just murdered at a rally by an ActBlue donor.
And that just happened a couple weeks ago on national television.
I met his family.
Joshua met the family briefly, you know.
joshua lisec
They were not having a good day.
They were not having it.
jack posobiec
No, they weren't.
But the point being, though, is that why is that—you notice it doesn't even enter into their mind, and I see our copy of Unhumans is here, that it's—and it really comes down to the fact that they don't view conservatives or Trump supporters as people.
They don't view you as anyone who counts.
Steve Bannon is in jail, and yet Kamala Harris will sit there and go, Donald Trump says he wants to lock up opponents.
And it's like— You have his chief strategist in jail behind bars right now.
Bannon's sitting there, sends me an email yesterday.
He goes, you know, my lawyers tell me I'm eligible under the First Step Act and the DOJ won't even let me out.
tim pool
Explain First Step.
jack posobiec
So the First Step Act is something that was passed by Trump 2018.
The idea was criminal justice reform that basically if you're a first-time offender, a low-level offender, that you're in federal prison, that if you were basically model prisoner, if you did vocational work or conducted education credits, set up a system for early release basically to try to help people get that sort of leg up or a quote-unquote first step.
And there's been controversy around it that it affected people who actually were violent or were much more violent.
Steve Bannon, obviously a We're
good to go.
Because you don't view Corey Campatore as a person.
You view them as unhuman.
You view them as someone who is less than a person, who is something more akin to an invasive species.
Someone who's in your way.
unidentified
What if David Dorn died at J6? Yeah, if David Doran died at Jason...
jack posobiec
I mean, they say never answer hypotheticals, but they would have said...
They would have said...
They would have said that he shouldn't have been there.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
They would have said he shouldn't have been there, and he was a criminal, and all the rest.
shane cashman
They can't politicize your life or your death.
Yeah.
Right.
seamus coughlin
Well, listen.
I mean, if somebody...
Charges a police officer and tries to kill them and then the officer has to defend themselves and this person ends up dying in a clear-cut case of self-defense.
They have every single excuse in the book for why that person couldn't help themselves and they had to do what they do.
When Ashley Babbitt gets shot...
Or anyone else who's conservative ends up on the other end of the law and is mistreated by police when J6ers are locked up and the Geneva Convention is violated.
These liberals who are so compassionate come out and dance around their body like Oompa Loompas singing about how they could have done things differently, giving us the little morality tale on how they shouldn't have broken the law.
tim pool
I got a question for you guys, because I need some religious expertise on this one.
seamus coughlin
I'm no expert, but I'm not even a little bit of an expert.
tim pool
More than me.
I'm curious about miracles.
Because do you remember when that painting of George Floyd exploded?
shane cashman
Lightning hit it.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
It was a double-layer brick wall, and only the outer layer with George Floyd in the middle of the wall exploded.
On a partly cloudy day, a storm formed over this mural.
Lightning struck exactly the middle of a brick wall, which...
Seems really weird to me.
shane cashman
God doesn't like golden calves.
tim pool
And George Floyd's picture exploded.
And I'm not exaggerating.
jack posobiec
Not as a jealous guy.
tim pool
Is that a miracle?
And a miracle doesn't...
I don't think it needs to imply like a good holy thing where lives are saved.
It's like...
jack posobiec
A miraculous, a supernatural act.
tim pool
A supernatural act, I mean, basically.
seamus coughlin
Well, so, yeah...
tim pool
Obviously, lightning strikes exist in nature and all that.
joshua lisec
Okay, before you guys answer, before you guys answer, so where I'm from in Ohio...
Everyone who's from Southwest Ohio will remember Touchdown Jesus.
Remember Touchdown Jesus?
Okay.
tim pool
What is it?
joshua lisec
Touchdown Jesus.
seamus coughlin
Notre Dame?
joshua lisec
There is...
Unfortunately, no.
tim pool
What is that?
unidentified
I don't know.
joshua lisec
In Southwest Ohio, there is a mega church just north of Cincinnati.
I believe it's called Solid Rock Church.
And for a number of years, more than 10 years ago, they had this massive honking Jesus statue...
Maybe 100 feet high or so, with arms out raised, just over-the-top sort of televangelist, prosperity gospel preacher, and people joked it was Touchdown Jesus.
And it got started by lightning and burned to the ground.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
joshua lisec
Right?
So, I tend not to postulate when natural disasters occur with religious iconography.
seamus coughlin
Well, I'll just put it this way.
Regardless of whether you want to call something a miracle or say this is a miracle, there's something you have to consider, and this is something we lose sight of.
It's not like a miracle is when God acts in the world and the rest of the time he isn't.
God is constantly sustaining everything that currently exists in existence at all times.
So everything that happens is either part of his active or permissive will.
tim pool
So we have this photo.
seamus coughlin
So it's all part of the plan regardless.
tim pool
We have this photo and...
joshua lisec
The only part of it is...
tim pool
So, I mean, look, forgive me for my ignorance.
I'm not a physicist.
I have a cursory knowledge of basic physics when it comes to lightning and stuff, positive, negative charges, etc., friction in the atmosphere.
Is it common or at least common enough that lightning strikes the middle of the side of a flat building?
My assumption is that lightning strikes the highest point.
And so when you're standing in a field and you are the highest point, the charge moves to you because the path of least resistance is the path that electricity travels through.
So for me, I just look at this photo and I read this story and we covered it quite a bit and I'm like...
Why would lightning strike up the side of the middle of an equal flat wall?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Blowing up only the picture of George Floyd and only the outer layer of brick.
seamus coughlin
And can you pull up the picture of the icon that they created of him?
Because if I remember, it was very saintly looking.
Yeah, it had a crown on it.
tim pool
It had a crown.
shane cashman
They put him in a gold casket.
seamus coughlin
I believe that they were trying to...
It looked like it was some kind of religious imagery made to mock Christianity.
shane cashman
They have Fauci candles they pray to.
seamus coughlin
It's humiliating.
It's embarrassing for them.
They think they're embarrassing us, but they're the ones who end up looking really, really bad as a result.
But that said, if this is true, and this is what happens, then we can actually create...
tim pool
I'll try and find a better one to put a crown on him.
seamus coughlin
They put a crown.
tim pool
Yeah, he had a crown.
jack posobiec
So...
I mean, I don't know, but I do know that there was a miraculous act that we saw earlier this year.
seamus coughlin
Or he turned his head?
tim pool
Oh, man.
jack posobiec
At a field in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13th, 2024 at 6.11 p.m.
And Seamus, I think you'll appreciate right on in here on the front page, it says, for Corey Campatore.
And right under that, we have Ephesians 6.11.
seamus coughlin
Amazing.
jack posobiec
Put on...
So, Tim, Trump was shot at 6.11 p.m.
And I remember watching the video over and over and over.
unidentified
Is that right?
jack posobiec
And you can see up in the corner, because they have on live feed on the news, they always have, you know, the time is usually there, whatever the local time is.
And it, I don't know, we all watched the video a million times, I'm sure, but on one viewing, it struck me, I said, wait a minute, that says 6-11.
And in my head, it just, and I had this tweet that went super viral that said, I was like, wait a minute, Ephesians 6.11 is, of course, put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
seamus coughlin
That came to your mind right when you heard it was 611?
jack posobiec
It did, actually, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Nice.
jack posobiec
Ephesians 6 is just one of my favorite books of the entire Bible.
unidentified
Good for you, man.
jack posobiec
It's just incredibly written.
It is, you know, the Apostle Paul writing that, just fantastic.
I mean, you could...
I was actually at the Bible study where I met Tanya Tay.
One of the major focuses that we were in on was the book was Ephesians and the entire epistle.
But, you know, Ephesians 6, you could spend...
unidentified
There it is.
tim pool
Week, 6-11 Eastern.
seamus coughlin
6-11, right there.
tim pool
Butler PA, 6-11 PM Eastern.
seamus coughlin
This is one thing I mentioned after the assassination.
jack posobiec
And by the way, not just that it was 6-11, right?
That's not the miracle, but just to finish the thought, is that, I mean, Tim, you shoot, you're a gun guy.
We're all gun guys, I think, here.
And Joshua, we've been there.
Tim, you've been there now.
That's not a hard shot.
tim pool
It's not far away at all.
jack posobiec
It's not far away.
That's like a boot camp shot.
And when you go there, it just seems smaller.
The whole thing just seems smaller.
tim pool
I am not good.
And when we go to the ranges and they give me a long gun, it is not hard to make the target.
jack posobiec
No, especially with a dialed in EOTech, which by the way, and the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, went to his range and we've got, so we don't trust the federal government, so we've hired our own private investigators that are actually looking into him.
And by the way, that's ongoing.
So when people get the book, we are going to be releasing updates.
So this is the first iteration of our own independent report.
shane cashman
Can you do target practice at the same place that Homeland Security went to?
jack posobiec
He did.
And in fact, we've got in the book, not just that, we actually have the sign-in logs of his...
No, we're not like doxing the other people who were there, but we've got the sign-in logs.
He was there 43 times, including the day before he was there at the range.
And so, well, we do dox some of the police officers.
tim pool
That's crazy that Trump tilted his head.
seamus coughlin
Just at the right moment.
jack posobiec
And by the way, that 140 yards, that if you're a pretty good marksman with a handgun, you can make that shot.
You can go look up YouTube.
There are YouTubers who...
tim pool
With a handgun?
jack posobiec
Yeah, 100 yards.
tim pool
I never make it.
jack posobiec
I mean, it's at the higher...
I'm not good.
At the higher end with a handgun, there are people.
I've seen Navy SEALs who can make that shot, or shooting steel, something like that at 100 yards.
Yeah, at the higher end with a handgun, you can definitely make that shot.
tim pool
Who's the T-Mask guy on Instagram?
Do you know him?
jack posobiec
No, no, no.
tim pool
I don't know.
He's got an account.
You can Google search for him.
But that dude is super good with a handgun.
Watching those videos are incredible.
I mean, Connell Reeves is good with a handgun.
jack posobiec
Yeah, and I'm sure any of those guys would be like, yeah, 100 yards, 140 yards, yeah, we can make that shot.
So if you've got a sighted in EOTech, if you're someone who goes to the gun range regularly, if you're someone who knows exactly what you're doing, and by the way, you've got a completely unobstructed view of your target, it's just not a hard shot.
tim pool
He had his target in his sights perfectly, and then Donald Trump tilted his head.
seamus coughlin
Well, and so what I say in liberals to response to this is if you want us to stop bringing God into politics, you have to stop asking Him to do the Secret Service's job for them.
unidentified
Exactly.
jack posobiec
Exactly.
joshua lisec
That's something that I didn't know until I was there, and they had reconstructed the stage exactly as it was that day for the second Butler rally, is the way that the stands are set up with the stage and where Crooks was, the stands make a— V-shape leaning in right to where Trump was.
So where Crooks was, it was as if he had, like, everything blocked off and the target right there in the middle.
jack posobiec
Now, it's also interesting— Well, have you heard of—they call it the Pac-Man perimeter?
Have you seen this?
seamus coughlin
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Yep, the one area.
jack posobiec
Because there's one area where it kind of divots in.
So it's like a circle all the way around the stage except for the AGR building.
So there's this one triangular area which directly bisects the AGR building where Crooks was and which he utilized with a sloped roof.
So no law enforcement or anyone else could get up there.
Somehow he was able to shoot off a sloped roof, which we saw it.
It's not that sloped.
shane cashman
Is it true that the counter snipers were there for the first time that day for Trump?
That was reported on...
jack posobiec
Every indication that...
I mean, not for when he was president, but for one of his post-presidential rallies, every indication I've seen is that, yes, this was the first time countersnipers were there.
shane cashman
You talk about Crooks' body disappearing?
joshua lisec
Yes.
jack posobiec
We talk about all of it.
That's a very interesting story.
And not just the body disappearing.
And when I say disappear, it was taken by the FBI. Yep.
The FBI then released it directly to the family, did not go back to the butler coroner to allow him to finish his report.
So they have like a preliminary talk screen and a preliminary autopsy for him, but they did sort of your basic workup, but they were not able to go and do anything further with him.
shane cashman
Premated it.
jack posobiec
So the family cremated the body.
The coroner had said he would never, never be willing to do that.
And what's even more potentially suspicious is that the FBI, for the first time in, as far as we know, in FBI history, cleaned the site of the roof.
So everyone knows about FBI for CSI and crime scene investigation and all this forensics and the tech and Dexter and all this stuff.
But you never hear about them cleaning the site that's usually farmed out to some local.
And typically, by the way, if you're, like, you know, God forbid, but if there's a crime like that, usually, you know, law enforcement has nothing to do with the cleanup.
They give you a card, and they're like, hey, here's a guy in the area who cleans up biologics, and there you go.
I've never in my entire life, and almost a decade in the intel community, I've never heard of it yet.
shane cashman
I don't want you to give away more stuff in your book, but I'm curious if you wrote about or looked into the story about the guy who was randomly on the rooftop taking pictures?
jack posobiec
Man in the gray suit.
shane cashman
Yeah, what's that?
jack posobiec
Yeah, so the man in the gray suit, who I have identified through reporting, and just, you know, Pennsylvania is a state, interestingly enough, just the state that I'm from, that I have really strong networks in.
So that was an individual, and Senator Ron Johnson initially was the one who had reported this out.
So the man in the gray suit was an ATF. This is their story on the gray suit.
Their story is there was a man who was not on duty at the ATF, but he saw what was going on, that he was in the area close enough to get in, that he drove there on his own way.
His recognizance and his own initiative decided to go to the rally, started taking pictures, and he wanted to send the pictures back to the FBI—or to the ATF, rather—so that he could conduct facial recognition, even though Crooks' face was—he was shot in the mouth and it came out the back of the head.
So I'm not sure if actually he would have been able to do that much of that came out in the autopsy.
And he, you know, then after Johnson, you know, found this all out, when they tried to reach out to the ATF to say, why was, you know, why was this guy there?
Totally stonewalled him.
shane cashman
It was super weird.
Wasn't he telling people, like, text me your images?
Or text a certain number of images?
Right.
jack posobiec
Right, and so he says that, and it was interesting, so he said he was in the Pittsburgh office, but the number he gave was a Philadelphia area code, 215, whereas Pittsburgh is 412, and people are saying, why is it a Philly number if it's at the Pittsburgh office?
The story just didn't match up.
It didn't match up at all, and now it's just gone.
Total ghost.
joshua lisec
So much doesn't match up about it.
Now, one of the things that we call out in the book that I haven't seen elsewhere, it might have been mentioned elsewhere, but it's sort of the dog that's not barking, that concept where a dog that usually barks just stops barking.
Uh-oh, problem, problem, problem.
What we notice, all the footage, both video and images, and also the accounts, eyewitnesses of Thomas Matthew Crooks that day, Is he is acting calm, cool, collected, confident about what he is about to do.
Now this is a youngster who is, we understand, planning to kill the most famous man in the history of civilization.
jack posobiec
I actually have something to tell you about this.
So Tim, do you remember when we were at the event in Bucks County last week?
And, you know, great speech.
Was that your first, like, political, like, you know, speech like that for a candidate?
Yeah, that was cool to see.
And so I spoke with Noah Formica of Turning Point Action, who was there that day.
And if you look, so there was that TikTok video that we found of crooks walking by some of the stands.
Well, I was watching that video.
I said, wait a minute, that's the Turning Point logo in the background.
Yes, we talked about this.
And so I'm like, I know that guy.
So I call him up immediately.
I said, Noah, did you talk to the killer?
Did you actually talk to Thomas Matthew Crooks beforehand?
And he said, you know, I got to think about it.
Like, I don't know.
Like, obviously, he's, you know, been through a trauma.
He was there at the shooting.
So, you know, it was pretty traumatic for him.
And he actually called in when we were on live stream that day.
And so talking to him later at the rally that you and I were at, Tim, in Newtown, in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, he said, look, you know, I went back with my team and we were, you know, we were sort of discussing it.
We realized that we did talk to him.
So he came up.
So he said he came up to the table.
And I said, you know, was he asking questions?
Was he inquiring as to who you were?
You know, probing anything?
He said no.
It wasn't like that at all.
And Joshua, it's like what you said.
They said he just seemed arrogant and, you know, kind of had his nose up in the air in a way.
joshua lisec
Like he possessed asymmetric information.
jack posobiec
Like he had some information that they didn't know what was coming and he...
They said he seemed really weird.
And he said, of all the people, and look, there's all sorts of types.
There's also, I think there's a girl in anime cosplay in the same video.
Yeah, seriously, on the same TikTok with Thomas Matthew Crooks.
Not talking to him, but you just see her in the background.
Right.
And the things you see when watching a Trump rally in Western Pennsylvania.
But they said they all noted him as his behavior was just off, that something was very off about him.
And again, he had that aloof attitude.
And of course, they're asking, hey, do you want to register to vote?
Do you want to vote early?
This is a big thing.
They're just doing their job for Turning Point.
And they said that he seemed like he was scoffing at us in a way as if he had some, like you say, secret knowledge that, you know, obviously we know what happened afterwards.
But they all remembered him as being that.
And when I showed them the footage, because that's something else where, you know, there's all these images of crooks as a kid.
And the media always does this, by the way.
They'll show images of someone as a kid that do not look like what they looked like on that day.
So as he grew, he's 20 years old at this time, his bone density was much stronger.
He was physically more imposing.
And you can see, you know, hard jaw, hard features.
But at the same time, not particularly anxious or worried about anything, as if he knew that his plan would go off without a hitch.
unidentified
Wow.
joshua lisec
And there's a description from June 22nd, Air Force veteran Bill Jenkins, that this is from day two of the chapter, or of the Bulletproof book.
So one of the Keystone Shooting Center classmates who is in a class with him, that particular day, June 22nd.
He says, eventually I got into politics.
This is the Air Force veteran Bill Jenkins describing about having a one-on-one conversation with Crooks.
He wasn't saying anything.
He remained quiet.
So I was kind of, you know, waiting to see what this kid would do, because he was getting a little tense there, and he never said a word.
He just sat there, kind of smiled, looked, and didn't say anything.
So I was surprised at that, not knowing what was going to happen in the future.
But even then I was kind of like, how come this guy isn't saying anything?
Yay or nay?
jack posobiec
So what that Was that the guy, he was at the gun, they were in a gun class together and he was sort of peppering him with political questions, you know, talking about Trump, talking about Biden, you know, talking about Kamala.
Actually, well, Kamala, keep in mind, wasn't switched out yet.
And actually one of the things that we argue for in the book is And detail in quite depth are the nine days between the failed assassination, which we say is a failed hit on Trump, and the pulling of Joe Biden as the nominee for president.
tim pool
So what do you guys think is the...
What really happened?
Do you believe there was an official capacity behind it?
joshua lisec
We lay out three scenarios.
So the first scenario is the official story.
We have an unstable young man of unclear motivation.
jack posobiec
So that's the lone wolf.
joshua lisec
So we say that is the least likely of all the explanations.
And then the second hypothesis that there is an Iranian plot.
And we say, well, this is more so...
Maybe, possibly, what are in those emails and those group chats that he seems to have been participating in?
jack posobiec
Particularly with the IED construction.
joshua lisec
Yes.
So was he talking to an agent or representative or with individuals hired by Iran?
Because there had been some attempts previously and since, it seems, to take out Trump by Iran.
So maybe, maybe, certainly that's more likely than the official story.
jack posobiec
But there's no definitive evidence.
joshua lisec
That's right.
Now, our official hypothesis, and I've got the page earmarked right here.
jack posobiec
So the third is inside job.
joshua lisec
That's right.
That's right.
We say, the numerous United States Secret Service security failures at the rally seem to many Americans too severe and too numerous to be merely coerced.
It's not necessarily coincidental.
Crooks' presence was known to law enforcement approximately 90 minutes before the shooting.
tim pool
He flew a drone over it.
jack posobiec
And if he had wanted to, if he had put those, if he had gone, you know, full Azov Battalion, just like, by the way, oh, the second assassin was directly associated with the Azov Battalion, which I was able to find in a, I have the ability to, you know, use facial recognition to scour the internet for someone whenever I see their face.
Not all the time, but I have a way to do that.
Cerebro.
Kind of.
shane cashman
Just clear view stuff.
jack posobiec
And so when...
You know, I'd rather not say.
But...
Because I don't want to give away different things.
But when Ryan Wesley Roth...
I was just looking for his social media.
Right?
His social media profiles.
And I was like, this is the picture.
Let's look it up.
First page is a propaganda video for the Azov Battalion.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
And he's right there.
Right in Maidan Square of Kiev.
I'm like...
Just pulling out my Alex Jones was right jar.
So the CIA-trained assassination team from Ukraine is directly associated with this guy who had a Kalashnikov outside of Mar-a-Lago and West Palm Beach.
Okay, so I'm just calling up Alex like, hey man, you're right again, brother.
joshua lisec
And he had the Biden-Harris bumper sticker on his truck.
jack posobiec
And the Biden-Harris bumper sticker.
But thank God, by the way, that Thomas Matthew Crooks did not go as a battalion and strap one of those IEDs to that drone.
Had he done that?
And look, Tim, you know, you saw the situation there and imagine the drone wasn't there.
Imagine the Overwatch wasn't there.
The Connex easily would have taken Trump out if he had used a kamikaze drone and he had the ability to do so.
He decided not to.
Maybe he didn't.
Maybe he was concerned with the proficiency of the drone, something like that.
I don't know.
tim pool
It could not detonate.
jack posobiec
But it would have worked.
It easily would have worked.
And so we conducted a little bit of a social experiment.
And this was Joshua's idea.
So we took...
We identify 12 independent failures, security failures that day, or failures or potentially successes.
tim pool
Oh, that's like winning the lottery twice?
jack posobiec
I see what it is.
And we said, what are the odds?
It's funny you say that, because we said, what are the odds?
And we've got the full probability equation here.
I know we love math here on TimCast.
Yeah.
Okay, what are the odds of all of those independent security failures happening on the same day that, as we say, a trained marksman shows up With intent to kill.
tim pool
And wait, did you add to that that the day before the FBI informed the Secret Service that there was an assassination plot against Donald Trump?
joshua lisec
That's in here, yes.
jack posobiec
I think that is in here, actually.
tim pool
Add it to the equation.
joshua lisec
Yeah, there are a dozen, but we picked the top 12, and the idea is that this is a conservative estimate, and the idea is we picked 12 that if only one of them had not occurred, the security field had not occurred, crooks would not have been 140 yards away from Trump to be able to take eight shots.
tim pool
So what are the odds, like one in a trillion?
joshua lisec
Oh, boy.
jack posobiec
Close.
joshua lisec
Probability of all 12 security failures taking place independently from one another, yet simultaneously, together with the presence of a capable marksman with intent to kill, is 1 times 10 minus 27th.
Or 1 in a septillion. 1 followed by 27 zeros.
Let us say that again.
The odds of all 12 failures happening on the same day as an armed man with malicious intent happening upon the situation without prior knowledge and assuming these events are independent are at minimum 1 in 1 septillion.
And that is being extremely...
tim pool
So it's like...
I say the fact that we learned about this merchant, the Pakistani guy, Asif Mishan or whatever, the fact that he got arrested the day before the FBI said the informed Secret Service of a plot to kill Donald Trump and the Secret Service replied that they would be increasing security, triple it.
jack posobiec
And they refused.
So those odds, that's the same as flipping a coin and coming up heads 93 times in a row.
But then, we took this a step further, and Joshua did this, and I still remember the night that you texted me.
joshua lisec
I was like, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro.
Five times in a row, all caps.
jack posobiec
So Tim, we took all this, and we put it into GPT-4 Omni.
And we were like, okay, what does, and that's like the latest iteration, open AI, whatever, proprietary thing.
So like, what does AI say?
Not us, not us, right?
What does the computer say?
So I'll credit to you, Joshua, because this was your idea.
joshua lisec
This suggests the one-in-one septillion odds.
This suggests that the occurrence of all these failures in the presence of the shooter is extraordinarily unlikely by chance alone, raising serious questions about whether these events were truly random.
jack posobiec
That's the answer from GPT for Omni.
tim pool
You know, I appreciate the math and asking the AI, but unfortunately, even a simple, rational human would be like, there's no way that the guy flew a drone, walked past security, there were text messages about him sneaking in, the Secret Service had counter snipers, were supposed to have people on the roof.
Hour and a half, 27 minutes, 10 minutes.
jack posobiec
Full text messages, which we have printed out that everyone can see, jumping from roof to roof.
tim pool
You take one of these.
You say, did you know that the cops said, hey, this guy snuck in?
And they're like, what?
Why didn't they do anything about it?
Hey, I don't know.
Sounds weird, doesn't it?
unidentified
Yep.
jack posobiec
The one for me that really sticks with me is the conduct of the ESNU sniper, Officer Greg Nickel.
And look, he claims that it was a mistake.
But at around 6.04 p.m., this is the guy.
So Tim, it was blocked off when we were there, but the AGR building that Crooks utilized is actually just a one-story building, and where the snipers were was a two-story building behind that.
So they're in the second story.
They're in the window.
They've got the sniper rifle in the window overlooking exactly where Thomas Matthew Crooks was.
At 6.04 p.m., remember, we've established 6.11 p.m.
is when the shots took place.
At 6.04 p.m., Nickel drops coverage, leaves the Overwatch position, and says, oh, I heard there's this suspicious guy.
I'm going to go help look for him.
When we know there's already foot patrol that are there supposed to be doing that job, he's a sniper.
tim pool
Yeah, that's impossible.
He leaves his...
jack posobiec
Position.
He leaves his duty station.
tim pool
He leaves his position, which is explicitly for when a suspicious person is seen in the area, for him to be watching over with his weapon.
That's impossible.
jack posobiec
And then says he forgot his key card and wasn't able to get back in.
tim pool
Yeah, there's no way.
seamus coughlin
Well, we all make mistakes, right?
It's insane.
I mean, the fact that, firstly...
jack posobiec
And then, oh, by the way, two months later, they try to kill him again.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, exactly.
So the idea that everyone who dropped the ball here hasn't been fired tells you something.
tim pool
Well, they started retiring, right?
They started retiring.
jack posobiec
A lot of the higher-ups at Secret Service have been retiring.
Kimberly Cheadle, who was the director, she was out almost immediately.
But Ronald Rowe, who was her operations chief, is now the acting director of the Secret Service.
tim pool
Do we know who was in command that day?
jack posobiec
So the New York Times has the latest piece on this, and this was referring back to the report that Congress has put out, their first iteration, and I don't have the unredacted version of that.
I'm in the process of getting it.
So they say there was no one official site lead, but the person who was the highest Positional authority that day was a female agent who only had four years on the job.
So four years out of Fletzi.
Fletzi is the Fletzi is the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center down in Brunswick, Georgia, where, you know, Secret Service and NCIS and a bunch of different 1811 special agents go through that four years on the job.
That's it.
Was put in charge of an open air outdoor rally with a former president who is probably the number one target of any assassin in the entire world right now.
The day after, Tim, as you mentioned, the FBI had just arrested someone who was involved with Iranian plot to kill him.
And oh, by the way, the drone tech that they had for the day was a guy who had only taken an online course in drones and spent everything.
I kid you not, several hours on the phone with the 1-800 number tech support to try to figure out why his Secret Service drone wasn't working.
tim pool
So he was as qualified as Matt Walsh is to be a DEI instructor.
jack posobiec
Precisely.
tim pool
I'm glad he's doing our security.
shane cashman
Grassy mole on steroids.
jack posobiec
But less paid.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
That's crazy.
But less paid.
jack posobiec
Right, and then after that hit fails, and we do view this as a failed hit...
The second hit takes place, and there's something very interesting, which, by the way, this is in the news today because Ryan Wesley Routh, I don't know if you've seen, has – so he's drawn Eileen Cannon, who is the Trump appointee down there in the Southern District of Florida.
She was the same one who was on the classified documents case.
His lawyers now, which we can't seem to figure out exactly how he's paying for these lawyers, the same way we can't figure out how he paid for his travel to Kiev, Ukraine, and Istanbul, Turkey, and Taipei, Taiwan, and all of these trips that he's taken, but he claims he has no money to his name whatsoever.
They are asking for her to recuse herself from the case because essentially she was—they're saying she has a conflict of interest because she was appointed by the person who was targeted as the victim of the assassination plot.
She was appointed by Trump, and Trump would have been the victim of the crime that he is being charged for.
And so they're trying to get her to pull herself because they want, like— You know, a Tanya Chutkin type or Juan Mershon type that they can get in there.
So this guy, Ryan Wesley Routh, again, as I've stated, uses that training that he clearly received while he was in Ukraine.
From my reporting that he was not involved because of his age.
He was in his 60s.
He's still in his 60s.
That he did not go onto the battlefield himself, but he received some familiarization training.
And Tim, I don't know if you've seen the hide site that he constructed.
So it wasn't just he was sitting there with his rifle, but he actually had...
tim pool
Two plates of armor, right?
jack posobiec
Two plates of armor in backpacks that he had put up on the fence as essentially a fairly rudimentary, although effective, form of creating a sniper's nest for himself.
I talked to Eric Prince about this, and he calls it a hide site.
That if he just hadn't stuck the muzzle of his Kalashnikov outside the fence...
tim pool
I gotta pause.
jack posobiec
People keep getting mad because it was an SKS. SKS is a Kalashnikov-style rifle.
And so it's a knockoff.
It's an AK knockoff.
And so if he just hadn't stuck the muzzle outside, that he never would have been found.
And Donald Trump, remember, was only one...
One course, you know, one hole away.
So a couple hundred yards, almost within range.
Like, not quite within range, but very, very close to being within range.
And I haven't been able to confirm this yet, but remember, the initial story that came out that day was that shots were fired on the range.
Now, it turns out that he did not fire with the SKS, but there was a Secret Service agent who identified him and then opened fire.
So just walk through this with me.
Secret Service agent didn't hit him.
Why didn't he hit him?
He's got body armor up there.
So that means this was effective TTPs, tactics, techniques, and procedures that he learned from units associated with the ASLAB battalion who had received training from the American CIA to conduct assassinations within Russia.
And the New York Times has put this out, by the way, that, oh, they were totally going rogue when they did that.
The CIA would Never be involved in assassinations and proxy wars.
And he was even able to effectively stop fire from a trained Secret Service agent who was shooting at him.
tim pool
There's a revolt right now.
They're saying SKS is older than Kalashnikov.
That is not a Kalashnikov receiver.
Jack is wrong.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I believe SKS is older, right?
tim pool
Didn't they make that first before the AK? They said, don't you dare besmirch the good name of the Kalashnikov.
jack posobiec
Well, look, I'm a huge fan of the Koliznikov, and I'm not trying to smirch it in any way.
tim pool
Well, they're not serious.
jack posobiec
No, no, I literally am a huge fan of the Koliznikov.
So an AR-15, for as great as they are and as versatile as they are, obviously the most adaptable rifle out there, when you're using them in the field, they're prone to all sorts of malfunctions.
Kyle Rittenhouse even had a tapwreck bang one time.
During his altercation in self-defense, he needed to defend himself.
But the AK, I mean, an AK just, you know, Klyznikov just runs.
tim pool
It runs.
seamus coughlin
The prom queen versus the dirt bike chick.
jack posobiec
No, I haven't seen that.
unidentified
I haven't seen that.
tim pool
That's how far to describe that in the AK. We gotta get Super Chats in there, so smash the like button, subscribe to the show, share it with everyone you know.
Leave us a good review if you're listening on the audio podcast.
You can follow me on X on Instagram, at TimCast.
Here we go.
jack posobiec
Tim, if I could just put a pin on the SKS thing, though.
The bigger question here is not whether or not it was...
We know it was an SKS, right?
The question is, how does a guy who's a 20-year felon get his hands on one of them when he just came from the battlefield in Ukraine that was unregistered and had the serial number shaved off?
That's the real question.
tim pool
Alright, here we go.
Let's grab this one for Ryan.
Jacob says, can you give a shout-out for my daughter Isabella?
She just turned three today.
Happy birthday, Isabella.
unidentified
Aw.
joshua lisec
Happy birthday.
shane cashman
Shout-out to Isabella.
Having families.
jack posobiec
Happy birthday.
tim pool
Tim Jake says, congrats to Elon and SpaceX on the successful launch of the next 20 Starlink satellites at 731 Eastern Time.
It was the ninth flight of that first-stage rocket.
Talk about getting your money's worth.
Elon Musk caught a 23-story building.
Amazing.
Just absolutely amazing.
SpaceX is doing the most important work, in my opinion, right now for humanity.
Taking us to the stars.
If we colonize any other celestial body, whatever it may be, it is exponentially increasing the likelihood of human survival.
We get hit by an asteroid right now.
jack posobiec
We're gone.
tim pool
Just...
We're on Mars?
Well, we're not going to be too well off if Earth gets wiped out because Mars needs supplies, but humans will survive.
So I'm a big fan of what Elon is working on here.
Let's grab some more.
Frey Cain says, book series Bobby Pendragon covers Tim's AL matrix, AI matrix futures in books, and its consequences on book four and consequences in book eight.
Their roach gel is called Trine.
I love it when there was a news article about two celebrities who got together over what they said was a weird AI conspiracy, but they capitalized AI, so it said a Weird Al conspiracy, and everybody was like, I want to know what that conspiracy is.
It sounds fun.
seamus coughlin
Have you heard his Party in the CIA? Oh, yeah.
jack posobiec
I have heard that.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
tim pool
All right, where are we at?
We'll just grab some more.
Atlantis Lion says, Hey Tim, is there a plan to re-upload the Culture War episode that were on the Tenet Media channel?
There are a few that my mom wanted to see.
Love you all.
I believe they're all still on iTunes and Spotify.
Nothing is gone.
Tenet disappeared.
But the important thing for people to understand...
Is that we had a non-exclusive license.
This means, like, if Timcast IRL appeared on someone else's Twitter because I bought a license, we own the show, we host the show, sometimes people repost it.
So Tenet appeared on that channel, that channel is now gone, but the podcast still exists everywhere.
And we had a great episode today with the Cartier family.
I don't know if you guys saw that one.
That was fun.
Young black men who were reacting to music and everything, and then they started, someone told them to react to Thomas Sowell, and then they went, whoa, and now they're Trump supporters, and they were like, they learned a lot, changed their worldview.
seamus coughlin
Thomas Sowell's a national treasure.
tim pool
He's a genius.
Yeah, these guys are smart dudes.
They're doing the research, they're figuring things out, and they're explaining.
They're college athletes.
They had a BLM poster when they were doing these videos, and then people started to ask them questions.
They started to answer the questions and look into them.
But I said to them, I was like, you guys are like track and field stars.
You're in college, you're running.
I'm like, I have to imagine you're disciplined.
You wake up every day, you've got to eat right, you can't screw around, you can't drink.
I'm like, that discipline and hard work ethic will take anybody towards whatever the right is today.
Because it means you're going to do the work, you're going to be paying attention, you're going to do what's best for you, and you're not going to accept that people who don't want to work get your money and things like that.
I think that's where they, you know, ultimately end up where they are.
Let's grab some more.
Alahad says, Hi Tim, I got a financial idea.
Bet all your money on Kamala.
If she wins, you win.
If she loses, you still win.
Profit.
Ha ha.
Silver is like a decade high right now.
I think it's like $33.
Is that what was going on?
I saw a tweet about it.
Yeah, that's wild.
Gold is at like $2,700.
Some ridiculous thing.
And now Max Keiser is saying that Bitcoin's probably going to skyrocket afterwards.
I don't got any advice for you guys.
I'm just saying.
That's what's in the news.
jack posobiec
Bitcoin's super high right now.
seamus coughlin
Oh yeah, it's almost, it's like 70, dude.
It's like 68.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's like 60.
seamus coughlin
I had no idea.
jack posobiec
I thought it was 67 the other day, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
tim pool
For real?
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
I do not, I gotta track this stuff.
What is going on over here?
jack posobiec
I just, I happened to check the other day.
tim pool
Oh yeah, that's 65.
jack posobiec
From?
seamus coughlin
It says 68 on Google, so.
joshua lisec
Orange man, orange coin.
Orange man, orange coin.
tim pool
Well, look, dude, I think the day before the election, all of these things are going to go through the roof because people are worried about Kamala winning.
But I don't know.
We'll see if Trump wins.
jack posobiec
But they're also worried about unrest.
tim pool
Exactly.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Let's go.
Sea Cowboy says the drones flying over Norfolk are not new.
This has been an issue since at least December.
A Chinese student was also arrested for flying a drone over Newport News shipyards a couple months ago.
Oh, man, I briefly lived over there.
A couple months.
jack posobiec
I lived in Virginia Beach for a while.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Where were you stationed at?
In Virginia Beach?
jack posobiec
Damn it.
tim pool
Oh, okay, cool.
Because my brother's at Eustace.
jack posobiec
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, so I lived briefly down there.
Or I visited him for a few months.
We hung out.
It was fun.
Cool stuff.
Hampton Roads, huh?
jack posobiec
Love the Hampton Roads.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's go.
Matthew Peterson says, Hey Tim and crew, first time ever messaging.
Could you give a shout out for my younger brother Adam?
Our parents could use some help.
Give, send, go.
Adam's medical.
Can't get the URL to work.
Shout out, Adam.
Best of luck to you guys.
I hope everything is okay.
D-Claw says, Cain and The Undertaker did a vid with Trump saying to vote for Trump and not Kamala.
Dude, I love it.
jack posobiec
So amazing.
Glenn Jacobs, Kane, he's a mayor in East Tennessee, and actually his entire area was...
Well, I should say, his area, Knox County, was fairly unaffected by the floods, but because he was the last county before the flood zones, that he became sort of a jump-off point, and he was doing a ton of humanitarian work and helping to raise money and just using his fame and celebrity to be able to become a huge, huge voice for that area.
tim pool
Luciano says, Hey Tim, yesterday you suggested that magic is superior to Yu-Gi-Oh.
How dare you?
Because of this transgression, I have unsubscribed from Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
Wait, what?
tim pool
The Shadow Realm with you, Spoonman.
seamus coughlin
Why would you do that?
jack posobiec
Excellent work.
Yes, excellent work.
seamus coughlin
Fantastic.
Along with everything, I didn't say...
tim pool
You'll lose way more subs if you say yes.
seamus coughlin
I was raised in a middle class family.
We cared a lot about our lawns.
tim pool
What?
jack posobiec
Ejection seat.
Ejection seat.
seamus coughlin
Get me out of here!
tim pool
Alright, alright.
What do we got?
We'll grab some more.
Garhan says, bold-faced lie about Kamala not having the energy of a rabbit.
Kamala has the energy of a Playboy bunny, the thing she did for her.
Okay, alright.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
Oh, no, no, no.
Family friendly.
Family friendly.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
All right.
Stoned Mason says, Hey, Tim and Company and Seamus, you gentlemen are inspiring.
I know I may sound crazy, but have you heard of JFK Jr.?
JFK Jr., George Magazine.
What if his return is the October surprise?
The MSM would break.
What is that?
shane cashman
They're expecting JFK Jr.
unidentified
George Woods.
jack posobiec
I don't know what that magazine is.
shane cashman
George Magazine was his magazine.
They said Energy Magazine?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
It was George.
He had his own magazine.
jack posobiec
I know Trump was actually obviously friends with JFK Jr.
obviously before he died in the plane crash when Hillary Clinton wanted to run in the same race that he was in at the same time that he was running in the Senate.
tim pool
That's just a historical timeline.
shane cashman
He's not insinuating anything.
jack posobiec
What's interesting, though, is, you know, I had come up with this idea for RFK Jr.
that, you know, people are sort of looking for, you know, what's going to be his, you know, obviously main role in a Trump administration.
And, of course, you know, Make America Healthy, again, is his big push.
But I had come up with this idea of saying, well, why not put...
All of the assassination records on to a task force and creating a task force on assassination.
So obviously something now that President Trump and RFK Jr.
have both experienced one directly and one indirectly through his father and uncle.
And Trump announced the very next day at the rally in Phoenix that he would be appointing RFK Jr.
to lead the task force on presidential assassinations and giving him declassification authority on, by the way, his father, his uncle, and on Butler, Pennsylvania.
seamus coughlin
Dude, there's something else I want to point out about the assassination attempts here.
Do you guys remember how right after the assassination attempt against Donald Trump happened, you started seeing these articles about how the CIA thwarted a secret assassination attempt on Obama that the KKK was plotting?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
I didn't see that.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they were publishing these stories like...
No, you think your candidate was dangerous and almost got assassinated.
It was almost like when you have a spoiled little kid you need to give a cupcake to on someone else's birthday because they can't stand someone else being the center of attention.
But it was a real thing.
They were trying to push this narrative right after the assassination attempt.
An assassination attempt on Obama had been thwarted years ago, and the KKK was planning on taking him out.
joshua lisec
Those are the headlines after Trump falls on stage at security.
unidentified
That's right.
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
Trump briefly stopped speech after loud noise.
jack posobiec
G-O-P seethes.
Yeah, loud pops.
seamus coughlin
G-O-P seethes.
Do you remember that one?
jack posobiec
G-O-P seethes.
tim pool
Look at what happened with the Ryan Ruth story.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is immediately like, there's shots being fired at Trump's Greene.
This may be an assassination.
And all these pundits were like, no, it's not.
Stop.
It's not an assassination.
jack posobiec
CNN tried to say that it was like a gang thing that happened off Yeah.
Site.
And they said, hey, there's some areas and it's true.
There's some areas of West Palm Beach not too far from Mar-a-Lago that are known for gang activity.
I don't know if it's Trendy Aragua or whatever, but they were trying to say that this was a couple of like gangbangers shooting at each other when no, it was the shooter.
In fact, was a Secret Service agent shooting at an assassin who we later found out had been lying in the bushes for 12 hours waiting for President Trump to arrive.
tim pool
All right.
Wyatt Kallenberg says, And this is fortunately for the liberal economic order, coinciding at the exact same time when they were trying to create the liberal economic order.
joshua lisec
Speaking of, speaking of, in the 1950s, several of the large corporations that had been manufacturing goods for the war effort, they had the manufacturing capability to continue that output, but no wars for that.
And then they realized, we have an oversupply and under demand of all of the goods, household goods and consumables that we can sell, but people don't need them.
They literally don't need them.
What do we do?
They hired professional hypnotists.
tim pool
What?
joshua lisec
To develop marketing campaigns to instill, via mass formation hypnosis, an urge, a drive, a desire, a belief, an identity to become a consumer.
shane cashman
Is this where Bernays comes in?
joshua lisec
It's in the 1950s.
tim pool
No, Bernays was way earlier than that.
joshua lisec
Yes, he was earlier than that.
He figured out that...
tim pool
He made bacon a thing.
joshua lisec
Yeah, and also the freedom torches, like make women smoke, because previously that had not been socially acceptable.
jack posobiec
Bernays was the nephew of Freud.
tim pool
Yeah, that's right.
Bacon and orange juice, I think, were some of his claims to fame.
Bacon is a breakfast food now because of him, and orange juice did not exist.
Orange juice is not good for you.
Orange juice is a hyperconcentration of sugars.
An orange is good for you.
And so what happened was the farming season had oversupply, and the farmers were like, what are we going to do with this extra stock?
It's going to drive the prices down.
And so he was like, orange juice.
We make a new product.
We say, if an orange is healthy, orange juice is five oranges in one glass.
And so then they started selling oranges and orange juice, so they had a new product that could go on the shelves for longer and different, you know...
shane cashman
The CIA also hired hypnotists for psycho magicians during MKUltra training.
joshua lisec
Yes.
shane cashman
So they love doing that.
seamus coughlin
It's insane the stuff that we know about MKUltra now too, which is just out there.
It's public record.
People don't talk about it as much as they should.
shane cashman
Because there have been MKUltra.
jack posobiec
The first season of Stranger Things, if people actually sit and watch it, is directly about...
Yeah, people know how it's about the Montauk project, but it is directly referencing MKUltra.
And, you know, the backstory to Eleven...
Is that her mother was in the MKUltra experiments while she was pregnant.
And so this supposedly is the reason that Eleven has her power.
But, you know, they've totally, like, just...
tim pool
Yeah, she's gotten weird.
unidentified
...even right past that.
seamus coughlin
It has gotten weird, and I didn't want...
I think I watched maybe the first three seasons, but I remember there was one episode in the third season that got really based because the...
It was just shocking for a popular Netflix show to say this, but they basically trashed communism.
Do you remember the episode?
So the guy insists the carnival is rigged because it's capitalist, and then he just gets proven wrong.
He's like, I guess I learned a lot today.
jack posobiec
Communism is bad.
seamus coughlin
I'm shocked.
jack posobiec
Yeah, that whole season is like the Russian communists have infiltrated the town, etc., I gotta throw some shade to the right, man.
tim pool
We talked about this earlier with the Cartier family.
I was like, the right complained a whole lot, and the anti-woke, not necessarily right-wingers, complained a whole lot about the movies they didn't like, but y'all need to, like, Captain America, the first, second, and third are really strong pro-America messages.
The third, it drifts a little bit away from it, but the first one definitely does, and there was a show on Netflix called The Order.
Did you ever see this one?
jack posobiec
No, what's that?
tim pool
It got two seasons, it got canceled, and it takes place, it's a, what is it, like witches and werewolves or something?
joshua lisec
That was a video game, wasn't it?
tim pool
The Order?
joshua lisec
The Order, 1866?
tim pool
That's a different one.
joshua lisec
Oh, okay.
It was also about witches and werewolves.
tim pool
I think the show was called The Order.
Anyway, the bad guy was a Marxist professor.
Really?
The bad guy was literally a communist, Marxist, not exaggeration, and he wanted the power for himself.
And so the witches and werewolves are like, we gotta stop this guy.
Super woke.
And the right doesn't rally around shows that have this positive message.
They didn't know it existed.
Netflix canceled it because nobody watched it.
Netflix literally had a show that was like, communism is bad and communist professors at universities are bad people who want to steal power.
And it was just like, nah, we don't care, we're not going to watch that.
shane cashman
They all canceled after cuties.
seamus coughlin
Speaking of evil, yeah, I mean, that's also one of the reasons I never got Netflix again.
But speaking of evil Marxist professors, did you guys see that Robert Reich got really upset when Trump tweeted out the St.
Michael prayer?
tim pool
Yes!
seamus coughlin
Part of what's so funny about that is Leo the 13th wrote that prayer to frighten demons.
And Robert Reich, a Marxist professor, read it and went, this is terrifying.
jack posobiec
I think he might actually be, in terms of demons, I think he would be considered an imp.
I don't know if you have a photo of Robert Reich.
tim pool
I got asked about that, and someone asked me about that, like, does that concern you when Trump tweets those things?
And I was like, what?
And they were like, well, isn't it like a scary thing?
And I was like, hold on, try that again?
Like, I'm confused.
Trump posted a prayer.
He's a Christian guy.
Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to think.
I must be mad about that.
Christians in this country exist.
What am I supposed to say to that?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Why are you acting like you're mad?
seamus coughlin
Because what they're mad about is the fact that Christians are being told that they don't have to be afraid to be public about their Christian beliefs.
That terrifies us.
jack posobiec
Something that we've identified, and actually one of the reasons we didn't mention it, but we didn't use the fight, fight, fight photo for the cover of this, but we used the Trump at prayer photo.
And I think that this one speaks to me because this is the moment just before that moment.
You've seen Trump with his fist in the air before.
We've all seen that.
Probably not as striking as that image, but we've seen it.
But what have you never seen before?
Trump publicly on his knees at prayer Showing piety and showing something that I don't think we've ever seen from him before, but humility.
tim pool
That's crazy, right?
seamus coughlin
That's so true.
jack posobiec
God calls men to humble themselves.
And in this instance, if you take the miraculous, and look, as a Catholic, it's just what I believe, that Trump was humbled, in a sense, and brought to that moment of literally being kissed on the ear by death itself.
tim pool
He was humbled.
seamus coughlin
And I don't know how you could not be after something like that.
jack posobiec
But in that moment, he understood what had happened and understood that his life had been saved by God.
And which he said, by the way, he said, it was God alone.
And then it gave him the ability to stand up as...
He didn't even know if the shooters were gone when he stood up.
He didn't even know if there was still a threat.
tim pool
The Trumps...
jack posobiec
And anyway, just to finish the thought, since then, you've seen this really public invocation of Christianity by Trump.
tim pool
The Trumps are just good people.
They're so nice.
It's crazy to me.
Let me give you an example of this, right?
What is crazy?
Casey Neistat endorsing Hillary Clinton, attacking the Trump family, but then later saying, like, he knows them personally and they're all really nice people.
I'm just like, what?
Look, you know, I'm not trying to drag the guy or anything, but it's just...
When I go to the Trump businesses and I ask his employees, they all love the guy.
Everybody who meets him says they love the guy.
Trump is really good at this.
When he meets you, he compliments you right away.
He genuinely, he'll just be really nice.
He'll say something really nice about you.
And it's just so strange to me to see how the media presents this image that doesn't exist.
seamus coughlin
Well, and this is a point that I wanted to make about humility.
Obviously Trump is braggadocious and part of his brand is that he's a bit egotistical, but I think he's significantly more humble than people give him credit for because our culture has a very distorted vision of what humility means.
Humility is essentially just knowing your place and taking it.
I think Trump, a billionaire who's open about the fact that he's a billionaire, is way more humble than any of these rich politicians who pretend that they're working class or poor.
It's ridiculous.
Dude, when you see a billionaire wearing a t-shirt and sweatpants, that's not a humble person.
That's someone who's trying to be something they're not.
tim pool
Real quick, you're saying humble is knowing your place.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and taking it.
tim pool
And Donald Trump literally translates to herald of the ruler of the world.
seamus coughlin
Oh, well, there it is.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
Did you know that?
seamus coughlin
We've talked about that before.
tim pool
Donald means world ruler, and Trump is the announcement, is the fanfare.
His name literally means world rulers.
jack posobiec
I forget the word trumpet from.
tim pool
Right.
And so then the conspiracy theory is, ah, ah, ah.
But does that mean that Donald Trump is the world ruler?
Or does that mean he is the herald of the world ruler, Barron?
jack posobiec
Barron.
unidentified
Which literally means Barron.
tim pool
You know, I don't know, what's the earliest year Barron can run for office?
jack posobiec
So he's 18 now.
joshua lisec
17 years now.
jack posobiec
So yeah, 17 years from now.
seamus coughlin
He sees what they're doing to his dad, he's going to be furious.
tim pool
Here's the arc.
He's growing up, literally growing up, surrounded in the deepest trenches of politics and dirty politics in the deep state, seeing what his dad is going through.
He's going to be one of the most political...
And I hear this now, that he's super intelligent.
He knows all about what's going on politically.
He listens to all these podcasts.
He pays deep attention.
And that he doesn't want to get into the political arena until he's a bit older or whatever.
seamus coughlin
Smart kid.
tim pool
But I feel like in terms of what someone may know about how the world works in politics, let me let me let me phrase it this way.
When professional sports first start, the pros are not that good.
If we look back to like the olden days of name a sport, you're like, look at the records that are being broken today.
It's because a kid was born and raised to be that professional.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Donald Trump wasn't born and raised to be a president.
He was a successful business leader and they took the roll up.
But Barron is being born and bred and raised in this political environment with real insights.
Maybe the reality is that when he's older, he becomes a powerful soldier.
jack posobiec
He's Octavian.
shane cashman
You have to take into account all the time-traveling Baron does.
seamus coughlin
That's true.
shane cashman
And all the information he's amassed over all this time.
seamus coughlin
You've got to pray for that kid.
tim pool
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Josh and Jack, do you want to shout anything out?
I think you might.
joshua lisec
Order Bulletproof.
Pre-order.
Comes out October 22nd.
And it is the first and only totally complete and curated, as of this present moment, report on the attempted assassinations of Donald Trump and why they failed.
jack posobiec
And I'll just add, and since we just mentioned how nice the Trump family is, you'll see the subtitle here.
It says, Forward by Donald Trump Jr.
And the minute...
That I asked him, you know, would you write the forward to this?
He said, immediately.
Immediately, yes.
Just no problem.
Of course.
tim pool
That's why I was saying it's wild to...
We've had Trump Jr.
on a couple times, I think.
And he's just like, he's a cool dude.
He's really nice.
And then you turn the TV on, and it's like they have a character of a vampire screaming.
And I'm like, what is this?
unidentified
This is so weird.
seamus coughlin
It's like what I was saying.
They can't do impressions of the Trumps because they don't know who they are.
tim pool
Anyway, Seamus, you want to shout it?
seamus coughlin
Hey, my name's Seamus Coughlin.
I make cartoons at Freedom Tunes.
You just saw, I believe, my magnum opus.
I believe you saw my magnum opus today here on the channel.
But if you want to see more, you want to see what we cook up next, go over to Freedom Tunes.
We have released three cartoons this week.
Anyone in animation will tell you that is a massive achievement.
We're able to do that because of our viewers, our supporters, and our subscribers.
So go over there, subscribe, get us to a million.
I love talking about this stuff, and I love political topics.
But as conservatives, we've got to build culture.
We have to make content that's fun and people enjoy watching.
So please go over there, subscribe, and if you want to help us make more, become a member at FreedomTunes.com because no one else is doing what we're doing right now and we're able to keep really good artists employed working on these awesome cartoons.
shane cashman
Sweet.
And you can find me online at Shane Cashman, and the show is Inverted World Live every Sunday at 6 p.m.
This week we're going to talk about breakaway civilizations, secret military tech, and free energy.
We'll see you there.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We're back, of course, throughout the weekend with segments, and you can subscribe to youtube.com slash timcastnews.
I will have the show up tomorrow, and you can check out those clips.
Thanks for hanging out.
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