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Democrats PANIC, Deploy Obama TO STOP Black Men VOTING TRUMP 2024 w/Avi Yemini | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
the Democrats have deployed Barack Obama to scold black men for their support of Donald I kid you not. Obama comes out and he doesn't want to say it explicitly, but he was like, I'm not seeing the enthusiasm.
Is it because you don't want to vote for women?
It's because Donald Trump is making huge inroads with black males, and that is extremely detrimental to Democrats.
But I got to be honest, man. I warned about this a while ago, and a lot of these leftists, they don't want to hear these liberals.
I said, I think in this country, there are people who just won't vote for a woman.
And they called me sexist for saying that.
And I'm like, that's your argument.
Intrinsic sexism comes from the left, not the right.
But anyway, here's where we're at.
So we'll be talking about that whole thing.
It's very, very funny. And we got a video.
We also have this incredible—I don't know if this is a real ad for Kamala, but it's like, men support Kamala.
And there's like guys that are just like, I'm not afraid of women, so I'm going to vote for one.
And we've seen this already.
They tried doing that white dudes for Harris campaign where they were talking about how real men are going to vote for a woman.
So we'll talk about that.
Donald Trump is calling for the death penalty for illegal immigrants who kill cops.
He's stepping things up.
He's got some tax breaks for you.
And then depending on where we go, maybe we'll talk about aliens because it's Friday night.
It's fun. And there's some new secret information being leaked about – it's silly, but actually it's pretty crazy – New reports of what's called...
I forgot what it's called. It's a program where the government is allowed to lie to the public, and it's being exposed by a whistleblower, so we'll talk about all that stuff.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Avi Yemeni.
avi yemini
Hey y'all mate. Who are you?
What do you do? Avi.
Ausraeli. Aussie.
I don't know. What do I do? Is that it?
tim pool
He's just an Australian guy. He showed up.
We don't know what's going on. I know.
avi yemini
I got lost. Yeah, tonight's actually Yom Kippur as a Jew.
I think it's the holiest day on the Jewish calendar.
I saw my comments were full of people condemning me for not being at synagogue, but it is the Day of Atonement, and I think, to be honest, I've got nothing to atone for.
tim pool
Is there any leeway for doing important work that can help save...
avi yemini
This is the one day that most Jews actually keep.
So it is, like, really naughty that I'm here, but...
Oh, wow. I think, uh...
Masphemer. Yeah, that's right, but...
tim pool
Well, we appreciate you here. It should be fun.
Yeah. It'll be good. Right on.
Phil's hanging out. Hello, everybody.
phil labonte
My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Hello, sir. Hi, dude.
ian crossland
Welcome back, Phil. Thank you.
I'm Ian Crossland, back from Los Angeles, shooting a film, and I'm happy to be here.
What's up, Hannah Claire? Hey, I'm Hannah Claire Brimlow.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm happy to be here as well.
tim pool
Let's get started. Here's the big story of the day.
And, man, talk about lack thereof, but we got some.
Obama, in blunt terms, tells black men to get over their reluctance to support Harris.
It's a bit more than that.
I mean, he's scolding black men, being like, why aren't you going to do it?
What are you doing? Commonwealth's got concepts of plan.
She's got a plan. So Democrats have deployed Obama.
This is... They had to do it.
So apparently right now, Donald Trump is making huge inroads with black men.
Not so much women, but this improvement is, it's apocalyptic for Kamala Harris, who's supposed to be this female of color candidate who's supposed to get these demographics.
At least that's the Democrat messaging.
And it's not working out.
I gotta say, with the current betting odds, Donald Trump is up 9.2 in the aggregate betting odds.
He's up 11 points on polymarket.
I mean, he's up 11 points on points bet.
He's up nine on B-win.
It's looking pretty good for Donald Trump, especially if Trump's winning over black men to the point where they got to send Obama out to try and win them back, which is not going to work, by the way.
It's looking pretty good. What do you think?
avi yemini
It does seem like he's conceding.
His face is very, he's demoralized.
That's the way I looked at that video when I saw it.
Obama? Yeah, he looks defeated.
ian crossland
I think the J.D. Vance, far superior to Tim Walz, like kind of put the nail in the board on this one.
Like, that ticket of Trump-Vance is so much better than the other two—I was going to say weirdos—but, like, Kamala and Tim Walsh.
Just say, you know you want to. You know, those two strange choices for presidential material.
unidentified
It's not quite— Then you have J.D. Vance, for sure.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I really think that, like— When they decided to pick Tim Walz, they looked at him and said, oh, a white guy, so that will work.
But they didn't think critically about what he is like, what his positions are.
And Obama is now trying to translate this into an anti-woman thing, right?
He's saying, oh, you're not going to vote for him because you're anti-woman.
You know, you're saying all these other reasons, but that's not really it.
You're just biased.
And I think that is this gaslighting technique we're seeing over and over again with Democrats this cycle.
Not that they don't do it all the time, but like, In particular right now, if black men were to go to Obama directly and say, I'm concerned about the economy, Kamala Harris just said she wouldn't change anything about the Biden administration.
And in response, Obama would say, no, you just don't like her because she's a woman.
I mean, they are unable to hear their voters and they're really using fear and shame to try and corral votes.
I mean, Trump is gaining among black men.
He is down among white men.
So he has the potential to both gain with black men and also improve with white men and really secure victory.
It does not seem like Kamala Harris is going to make the inroads she needs.
And so the margins in this specific demographic is much tighter for her and maybe impossible to overcome.
ian crossland
I got an email from the Democratic National Committee earlier at 7.43 p.m., just 20 minutes ago, and it starts off, we don't want to alarm you, but fear, fear, fear, be alarmed, be scared.
The campaign of fear just contacted me.
tim pool
Just to clarify, we call that in the industry, I mean, seriously, a sense of urgency.
That's what it's actually called.
Everyone doesn't. Everyone does it.
It's a very, very...
It's effective.
In fundraising and sales.
ian crossland
It can shock you, but I think people have fear fatigue right now.
Trump's not running a campaign of fear at the moment.
phil labonte
He strongly disagrees that people have fear fatigue.
That's a constant with people, the idea that...
Just like Tim said, it's about building a sense of urgency.
And I don't think that people have a fear of fatigue because I think that the voting block that they're targeting, they're not actually looking to make them afraid as in to tap into a feeling of indignation.
Like the whole Kamala Harris campaign focusing on women and stuff like that, they're looking to make people feel like they have been done wrong.
Which is the whole left, the Democrats playbook is to look for people that feel like they've been victimized and get them to vote for the Democrats.
I don't think that Tim Walz or J.D. Vance honestly has much.
I don't know.
A bunch of different town halls and stuff.
He's going to be doing a town hall just for women with Fox News.
And he's going out there and talking to people, whereas Kamala Harris continues to perform badly in all of the places that she goes.
Whenever she's talking, she is not making headway.
And she still continues to cater to the same groups.
And when she tries to reach out to other groups, it looks awkward and out of place, which we'll talk about that later.
The video today, but, you know, she's not doing a good, and it's her campaign.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and her media blitz. Her media blitz isn't doing anything better, which is interesting because I think part of the media blitz strategy was to just put her out there and so everyone would get kind of muddled with the nonsense that she was saying.
There wouldn't be one interview and then several days for the media to pick it apart.
They kind of got it all out of the way, and now we can't say that she's never done any interviews because she did them all at once.
I disagree in one sense.
I think that there is a fear fatigue in America and I think the hurricanes are really making that contrast acute.
You know, this is the fourth anti-Trump campaign the DNC has put on and he's a known quantity.
You can't really make him scary at this point.
They tried to with J.D. Vance.
They're like, look, he hates women and cats and, you know, whatever else.
But they aren't able to really sell that either.
And so in some sense, having this hurricane where people are actually fearful, I just looked at a story today where Eleven members of a family in North Carolina were just found dead in their home in the wreckage.
I mean, the contrast between the manufactured, you must be fearful of this, you know, Trump being reinstated as president because I guess last time was so bad.
Like, this fake fear doesn't translate to the real fear Americans are feeling, especially in the last couple of weeks.
And so they are starting to turn away from this, you must comply.
They're going to take everything from you because they're looking at things that have actually destroyed people.
avi yemini
I think Obama has it all wrong because I actually reckon they've spent the last four years convincing Democrats that real women are actually men.
So maybe Democrats, maybe the black community actually thinks Trump is the woman and they're getting behind the woman.
tim pool
Let me play this clip.
Charlie Kirk posted this.
unidentified
Communities is that...
We have not yet seen the same kinds of energy and turnout in all quarters of our neighbourhoods and communities as we saw when I was running.
avi yemini
Whoa. I like to smoke up his own arse.
unidentified
But it's true. I also want to say that that seems to be more pronounced with the brothers.
So if you don't mind, just for a second I'm going to speak to y'all right here.
And say that when you have a choice that is this clean, when on the one hand you have somebody who grew up like you,
knows you, went to college with you, understands the struggles and Pain and joy that comes by locking him up.
tim pool
He said to work harder and do more and overcome I think the most important takeaway is that he said, we are not seeing the turnout that we saw with my run.
And a lot of people, the talking point that we've seen, there's an article in the Daily Mail that there were some Democrats, they did a man on the street thing, asked some people on the street who you're voting for, they said Kamala.
And they asked him, do you think Kamala can win?
And the response was, it's starting to feel like Obama.
Joy, right?
That's the word they're using. Obama's telling you right now.
Obama is only coming out because they need the big guns.
A former president, a popular president, to go out and talk to people, to beg them to please go vote because they know the turnout is down.
And it is not like his administration.
They don't need Obama if they're winning.
They need him when they're not winning.
phil labonte
Obama's charisma is non-transferable.
People love Barack Obama.
He's very good at speaking.
But it doesn't transfer to other candidates.
I don't think...
It definitely didn't transfer to Hillary Clinton.
It didn't transfer to Joe Biden.
The only reason that Joe Biden won is because it was a novel situation with COVID and all of the shadow campaign things going on.
It's not that – it's just that Barack Obama's popularity isn't going to transfer.
And one more thing. He's talking about like – he's talking to black men trying to get black men to vote for Kamala Harris.
What is it that Kamala Harris offers any men?
The Democrats have gone all in on hating men.
And they know that they have a problem with men.
They've been doing it for at least 15 years.
Especially young men are finally like, I'm tired.
I don't care if you call me names.
I'm not voting for people that hate me.
And you're not going to be able to convince young men that the Democrats don't hate you when every single time that a woman says anything, you have to say, well, we have to defer to women.
We have to defer to women. Blah, blah, blah.
I mean, you're just not going to be able to beat that stigma off.
With four weeks left.
She should have been, if they were actually serious about getting rid of this stigma, they should have been working to get rid of it two years ago or a year ago.
Maybe then it wouldn't be coming back to bite them in the ass, but now they're never going to beat that rap.
And it's probably going to take multiple decades, well, at least a decade, before they could convince young men that the Democrats don't hate them.
Because first you have to convince women...
Not to hate young men.
Right. Or at least progressive women.
You have to convince left-leaning women to not hate young men.
avi yemini
But they have the white men for Harris, don't they?
Isn't that a group? White men?
phil labonte
Yes, you're right, it is. But it goes beyond white men.
It is men in general.
He's talking to black men. And Obama's men.
They're falling, or they're not falling, but they're flipping for Trump.
Hispanic men are flipping for Trump.
avi yemini
It's not about... Look, those white men for Trump, I'm not convinced they're men.
phil labonte
No, I agree completely.
unidentified
Wait, even for Trump? Sorry, white man for Harris.
hannah claire brimelow
I completely agree. The thing is, Obama's message is effectively like, if you're not going to support Harris, I think you're a bad black man.
I don't think that's particularly motivating.
avi yemini
No, that's not the normal Obama.
That's not the charismatic Obama that...
hannah claire brimelow
No, this is like semi-stern Obama who's also like, I am better than you.
And I think that that's not something, you know, men generally, but maybe black men especially, want to hear from this guy.
It's interesting because the numbers bear out that black women are more supportive.
And this is true, I think, in not like if just men and women generally, regardless of race, but black women tend to be supportive of Harris and black men are not as supportive of Harris.
And so the question is like, you're targeting this Minority group, black men, and telling them that they are not good enough if they don't comply with what you want.
And that doesn't seem like it's a very masculine appeal to me.
It doesn't seem like it's, you know, a very empathetic appeal to constantly be saying, like, you don't know what you're talking about and you're just doing this because you're bigoted.
Like, this is what men have been told for a long time now.
avi yemini
And at a certain point, you're not going to win favoritism with He reminds me of my mum when I was a teenager.
The guilt trip. This is the final plea.
unidentified
I've got nothing left.
avi yemini
I'm defeated with loss.
Come on, guys. You're going to make dad really unhappy if you don't do that.
That's how it feels to me.
ian crossland
I agree. Sluggish.
It's not like, you know, what Kamala Harris should have done and what inspires people to seize a leader and want a leader is for this hurricane in Florida, she should have been out there.
Joe Biden really should have been out there too.
Empathizing with the people of Florida.
Maybe you're going to lose the state.
That's the point. You do what you can for people that can't do anything for you.
That's the sign of greatness.
And they were nowhere to be seen.
tim pool
That's it right there.
These are swing states leaning Trump, and they probably thought, we are in a tight race with a month to go, and if we go do disaster relief right now, we're earning favor with people we know we're going to lose the state anyway.
So that's why they reprioritize, or they deprioritize.
Now, eventually they did go there, but it wasn't priority number one, and I think, Ian, you make a good point.
ian crossland
Because it was Obama in 2007, he would have been talking about them and talking about helping the people of Florida, all he would have been talking about for like a week.
Because he truly cares about, at least at that point of his life, and I think he's an empathetic dude.
I think he is altruistic, but was co-opted by the deep state in his presidency, big time.
But he had the real, he truly cared about people, which is why they supported him.
avi yemini
I'm good at pretending to care.
I think he's a great, like his first speech, I think it was in Egypt.
I remember watching that and going, this guy, like he spoke so well, made you think he cared, but then when you broke down what he said, he was never actually saying anything.
tim pool
I don't think it's fair to say that Barack Obama is altruistic.
I don't call Trump altruistic.
I think Trump cares about people.
I think Barack Obama cares about people.
But I'm not going to sit here and pretend that these are – either are some glorious saint or whatever come to save us.
I think Trump is better than Barack Obama.
I think Trump cares more than Obama.
ian crossland
Obama went into office and he said when he got into office, my favorite president from the past was Abraham Lincoln.
And when he left office, he said my favorite president from the past is Teddy Roosevelt.
So he lost that altruism during his presidency.
He was ready to take a bullet for the revolution.
And then he, at some point, big business got a hold of him and he's like, I'd rather live.
I'd rather see my kids grow up.
hannah claire brimelow
You think that's what happened to Obama?
ian crossland
Yeah. I don't think so.
He plaintively said that Abraham Lincoln was his hero going into the office.
tim pool
Yeah, but look at his career.
I mean, he's a guy who gets elected to the Senate.
And then I remember this when he first got elected because it was confusing to me.
They ask him right away, are you going to run for president?
And I was like, what? He's a freshman.
He's not even in the Senate yet.
He just got elected. He was a community organizer.
And all of a sudden, he never even finished his term.
He just instantly becomes president.
And then, of course, there was a scandal in Illinois where they sold, quote unquote, the seat.
You know, Blagojevich went to jail for it, which I think he's saying he was set up or whatever, but that's a whole other story.
hannah claire brimelow
Trump pardoned him in the end.
tim pool
Right, that was funny. Yeah, but I never saw Obama as anybody who cared about anything.
I mean, the dude is just, he goes in and he's wore drones expansion.
ian crossland
It was no different. In the very beginning, people think, I can fix the world if I'm the president.
Give me the power. And then they get there and like, oh, this is how it works.
Like Michelle, his wife, was like, let's do the Let's Move campaign.
It's all about cutting sugar out of people's diet.
They start to do this campaign. The sugar industry comes to them and they're like, this is in Katie Couric's documentary, Fed Up, which you should watch.
And the sugar industry is like, okay, you know what?
Let's not make it about sugar. Let's move about exercise.
Let's not demonize sugar.
So Michelle, for whatever happened behind the scenes, is like, okay, let's not demonize sugar.
tim pool
I'll tell you what happened behind the scenes. What year was that?
Let's move. We should watch that.
ian crossland
That's like 2011 or 2010, something like that.
tim pool
Right. So this is the first term.
And the sugar industry goes and sits down with Barack Obama.
And the guy drops a folder and he says, Barack, we appreciate what the missus is trying to do with get people to lose weight.
Right now the sugar industry represents, insert 200,000 jobs, 10 million jobs in this country.
You get the first lady to start telling people to drop the sugar, you are going to see all of these industries take an economic hit, you are going to see these people lose their jobs, you will not win again in 2012, and people will lose their jobs and suffer.
So, what we think the correct path is, people shouldn't be sedentary.
You can eat sugar as long as you're working out. Why don't we change this?
And then they went... Man, that's a good point.
ian crossland
Yeah, utilitarian argument.
He's the president. Your job really is about the economy, too.
tim pool
It's economic addictions that often what we end up seeing, especially with government bureaucracy, is, look, they're going to go to Trump.
He gets elected, and Trump's going to say, I want to fire them all!
Just get them out! And they're going to be like, that's going to reduce the economy by, you know, 0.73% when you fire all these people.
And the surrounding economic areas are going to falter.
A lot of people... I'll give you a really interesting example.
There's better examples in the United States.
We have military-based towns.
I went to Wellington.
I think the city is in New Zealand.
It's Wellington, right? Yep. Auckland and Wellington.
And I asked... I love asking when I go to a city, what is the industry of the city?
How is this city a city?
Because there has to be a core industry there. So for the Rust Belt in the United States, it was auto manufacturing, industrial work and stuff.
And I went to Wellington and I asked them and they said, government. It was the taxes of the people of New Zealand being by force taken to Wellington that funds Wellington.
So it could really be anywhere.
avi yemini
To be fair, is that – isn't DC – would DC be – Absolutely. A hundred percent.
But it's probably every capital.
tim pool
And that's my point. When Donald Trump says we're going to move this building or fire these people, they're going to come to him and say Washington, DC as a city, is going to lose a hundred thousand people over the course of two years if you do this.
Then they're going to lose an additional 200,000 a year later when all the subsequent coffee shops and restaurants can't sustain themselves because they don't have the business if you fire these people.
Donald Trump's going to say, and?
Yeah. With people like Barack Obama and Joe Biden, they go, I get it, I get it, you know, we want economic growth, and they get addicted to these machines.
I think one of the things the deep state hated about Donald Trump is he did not care.
He's like, look, like Ron Paul, not exactly like Ron Paul, but a little bit.
The attitude is, we can't just stay on this system.
We have to stop giving people money in bureaucratic positions, and there's no excuse.
The excuse is, oh, but we'll go through withdrawal.
We'll have economic crises. Figure it out.
But we have to stop the bleed.
This money is just being spent on garbage, and it's bad for all of us.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think you saw that with Obama bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2008 during that bubble explosion.
tim pool
That's exactly right. They go to them and they say the auto industry, the housing market, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, was it Fannie Mae, right?
Fannie Mae. They're basically saying you will see an economic crisis that will define your presidency and you will never get re-elected and blah, blah, blah.
And Obama just says, okay, what do we have to do?
And it's the addiction.
It's the same thing with Afghanistan and Iraq.
They went to them and said... I know we want to get out.
We should have never gone in. But if we leave now, oh, geez, you know, and then these presidents just say, keep on trucking.
And what they think they can do is like this less move campaign is let's make leeway.
Let's make moves where we can.
And you can't. Trump comes in and says, nope, we're changing it.
And they're like, but you're pulling out the bottom jingle block.
He's like, don't care. You can't keep doing this.
Everything's getting worse. Sooner or later, someone's got to put their foot down and say, it's going to suck, but we're doing the work.
ian crossland
So to tie this in, whether or not Obama was truly altruistic, I got that vibe in the beginning.
I don't know if he really was or not, but he seemed like he was like, we're going to pull the Jenga block out, and then we got in, and he's like, oh, I can't pull that Jenga block.
But that's the energy that will get you elected that Kamala does not even remotely even touch the vicinity of.
tim pool
Okay, let's jump to this clip, and let's talk about the energy that Kamala has.
Does Kamala have the energy of Barack Obama?
Boy, not even one one-hundredth.
This video has gone viral, and I'm going to say before we play it, I believe it's probably fake, and I can't imagine.
This is a real ad for Kamala Harris.
I hope you enjoy it.
You probably won't, but, well, you'll laugh.
ian crossland
It's good. I'm a man.
unidentified
I'm a man, man.
And I'm man enough. I'm man enough to enjoy a barrel-proof bourbon.
ian crossland
Neat. Man enough to cook my steak rare.
unidentified
Man enough to deadlift 500, then braid the s*** out of my daughter's hair.
You think I'm afraid to rebuild a carburetor?
I eat carburetors for breakfast.
ian crossland
I ain't afraid of bears. That's what bear hugs are for.
unidentified
I'll tell you another thing I sure as s*** am not afraid of.
Women. I'm not afraid of women.
ian crossland
I'm not afraid of women.
unidentified
They want to control their bodies?
I say go for it.
I want to use IVF to start a family?
I'm not afraid of families.
ian crossland
They want to be childless cat ladies?
avi yemini
Have all the cats you want.
unidentified
Woman wants to be president? Well, I hope she has the guts to look me right in the eye and accept my full-throated endorsement.
Because I'm man enough to support women.
Man enough to know what kind of donuts I like.
Man enough to admit I'm lost even when I refuse to ask for directions.
Man enough to not ban young women from reading Little Women.
ian crossland
Or one of those pants books that the sisters like.
unidentified
I'm man enough to raw dog a flight.
It sucked. Not worth it.
I'm man enough to be emotional in front of my wife.
In front of my kids. In front of my horse.
I'm man enough to tell you that I cry at Love Actually.
Good Will Hunting. West Side Story.
ian crossland
That. And Predator.
unidentified
And I'm sick of so-called men domineering, belittling, and controlling women just so they can feel more powerful.
ian crossland
That's not how my mama raised me.
unidentified
I love women. I love women who support their families.
Women who decide not to have families.
Women who take charge. And I'm man enough to help them win.
avi yemini
Why do you assume it's fake?
I think I've seen official...
tim pool
It's got the man up, get involved vote.
Okay, that part. It says not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.
avi yemini
But the actual content itself...
tim pool
I think it's actually intended to support Kamala Harris, but I'm saying, come on, did somebody make this as a false flag Kamala Harris ad because it's so awful?
I feel like...
Kamala's share of the black male vote is declining further now, having seen this because they're sexist.
No, just because it's so bad.
avi yemini
You're sexist, you don't like that clip.
tim pool
I supported Tulsi Gabbard.
And so, you know what makes me not want to support someone like Kamala Harris?
It's the insincerity.
avi yemini
And the cringe.
ian crossland
At the end of that, if it was Kamala going, I'm Kamala Harris, and what the fuck was that?
I would be like, Kamala.
tim pool
If it ended with Kamala being like...
avi yemini
Man up, guys. This is the fringiest thing I've ever seen.
ian crossland
Be men. Self-aware.
I thought, okay, look, I got a little bit of a lisp.
I go, I don't push my teeth together and go, like, the way they told me to, but, like, those guys had lisps.
Like, they're like, I value this.
And I'm like, okay, it's not super manly.
The lisp you could at least fix with, like...
Editing or something or get dudes that don't have minor lisps, unless it's supposed to be a joke.
tim pool
Okay, men. Men. Wait, wait.
First, I'll ask Anna Claire. When was the last time you cried watching a movie?
Like, honestly. I don't know.
Can't remember? Like, last...
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
unidentified
Maybe two years ago? Do you know what movie it might have been?
hannah claire brimelow
Um... No. But I don't watch a lot of movies.
tim pool
Okay. Men.
ian crossland
When was the last time you cried reading the news?
hannah claire brimelow
Some of the hurricane stuff is brutal.
ian crossland
I cried a couple nights ago. But men.
tim pool
Men. When was the last time you cried watching a movie?
ian crossland
Anybody? Probably like within the last three years.
tim pool
I think I might have cried when I watched Hachiko with Richard Gere.
phil labonte
Maybe. Interstellar had some sad parts.
tim pool
Yeah, I cried during that. I didn't cry at Interstellar.
ian crossland
At the end of that, at your house in Jersey.
phil labonte
At Interstellar, I was a little bit like, mm.
But even still, that gave me cancer.
That was horrible. And if that convinces you, you're not a man.
ian crossland
I saw you laughing when talking about the donuts you liked.
tim pool
I think there's a...
phil labonte
The way the guy in the orange shirt was sitting, I'm like, dude.
tim pool
I think there's only one acceptable time for a man to cry, and that's when their dog dies.
Of course, loss. I'm kidding, by the way, but you know.
avi yemini
Our cat died, and I hated cats.
I didn't even think I liked the thing. I love my dog.
I thought I didn't really have a connection to the cat, and then we had to put her down with the kids.
I teared up for that.
tim pool
I think the last time I cried was when Mr.
Bocas died. I was with him there when we brought him in front of the chickens and laid him down and he got to look at him and his eyes opened up and he was looking at the chickens and it was a beautiful moment and then he went.
phil labonte
It's acceptable for men to have and express emotions but you shouldn't, you honestly probably shouldn't express them in front of your family or in front of your girlfriend or your wife.
Like, that's a time when a man should go ahead and be alone, and it's fine.
There's nothing wrong with saying, look, I need a minute.
You go ahead and you let a little bit out, and then you go ahead and collect yourself, and then you come back to your family or whatever.
But, like, you don't, you should not cry to your wife, unless your mom dies.
tim pool
So, but what's the argument for that?
Because it, like, shows weakness, or it's unattractive, or what?
phil labonte
No, because, honestly, because if you can't keep yourself together, like, keep composure, then you seem like you're not competent.
And that's one of the things that people look to men for, the competence.
If you seem like you can't keep yourself together in a situation that's stressful, then people are going to be like, ah.
It's not about, oh, you're weak.
It's about your inability to deal with a stressful situation.
And again, it's fine to have emotions.
Go and take your time.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But when you're around other people, or if you're around your wife or your woman, if you intend to be the leader of your family, Then you shouldn't be crying to your mother unless, like, your dad dies, your mom dies, those kind of things.
The dog, maybe. But otherwise, like, don't cry about a movie in front of your girlfriend, because she will leave you.
tim pool
Right, but unless the dog dies in the movie, in any circumstance.
Because, like, I wept when I watched John Wick.
But is it worth the risk? The whole time John Wick was on, I just cried the entire two hours.
Because as soon as it started, they killed the dog, and I'm like, ah!
I'm kidding. I'm kidding, by the way, but I will say, like...
Depending on the context, I will shut a movie off if they kill a dog.
That's fine. They're not really killing the dog, but if the dog dies heroically, I'll be like, you get that bad guy.
But if they kill a dog, I'll be like, that's bad taste.
ian crossland
Did you see Old Yeller? I've never seen it.
tim pool
I hear it was sad. Yeah, but Old Yeller is like, the dog had rabies.
I didn't know that. And it's like, you have no choice.
ian crossland
I think with crying, if you cry, just let it happen.
But if you go to someone else and be like, make me feel better, then you're coming off as really weak.
You've got to just let it happen.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah. I think that there is like a point to – it's important for men to be able to express emotions and also regulate their emotions.
Like we all know guys who fly off the handle in anger, right?
And publicly. And that's to me as bad as if you were constantly crying and falling apart.
Yeah. There is a dignity in being able to control your emotions.
And I will say, to Phil's point, if you're freaking out about every little thing to your wife or girlfriend or whatever else, you constantly need your mom to call, you get support, yeah, that's not super attractive.
But I do think that for women, if you are with a strong man and you are the only one who is privileged to the inner circle of his emotions, that is also a position of honor in your relationship.
The thing about this script, and if it's written by men to make fun of these men, then they're doing a great job.
Otherwise, to me, it is written by woke, progressive women who are like, well, men need to get in touch with their feminine side and they need to go to therapy all the time and they need to work through all these things.
It's like what they think they want in a man who knows how to express their emotions.
And I think that's actually because they're around very few truly masculine men who are comfortable with their emotions.
tim pool
I got correction. This is a really good point.
We got a super chat from Jedin.
I teared up during Sound of Freedom.
Yeah, the intro to Sound of Freedom, I was tearing up pretty hard.
That movie is epic.
But it's been out for a minute.
So just so you know, the beginning, and it's rough, it's documenting a kidnapping of children from a dad.
It's so brutal, dude.
It's hard to watch without crying.
The guy is trying to get his daughter as a modeling gig.
He's really excited. He brings them in, and then they kidnap the daughters for sex trafficking, and he's losing his mind.
phil labonte
It's brutal to watch. That kind of stuff obviously is perfectly fine to express yourself, but like...
You gotta get angry. I mean, that should be one of the things that you feel.
But the idea that anything that they say there is actually about masculinity, that shows that they don't know anything about masculinity.
Masculinity added, especially, and I don't like to say positive or toxic masculinity because...
It's all about how you are able to control your emotions and control yourself.
There is nothing less masculine than not having control over your faculties.
That's why when you see masculine men, thinking about stoic men, not men that don't have feelings, but men that control themselves.
That have their bodies and their mind under their own control.
That's masculinity.
So that isn't lashing out and hurting people.
That cannot be considered toxic masculinity.
It's having the ability to control yourself until the situation is appropriate.
That's masculine.
ian crossland
That's something that'll happen if I'm crying.
I'll make sure that I'll stop.
And then blow my nose and get it all out because I don't want to get sick from it.
I'm controlling myself. I'll let it happen.
I'll let the tears come out. I'll make sure that they drain out the eyes because I'm still in control of myself.
But I almost want to allow it to happen.
But then I'll make sure I fix my posture and blow all the crap out and clean my face so it doesn't get like oxidized because I'm in control.
tim pool
I got to be honest. I don't know that I cry enough to ever think about it that way.
Yeah. I'm not trying to be funny.
avi yemini
To be honest, I did not expect to be coming on this show to talk about men crying.
Yeah. I'm about to cry.
tim pool
It's because you're not in touch with being a real man and you're not going to vote for Kamala Harris.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, you're over here crying when you put your cat down.
You're obviously aware of this as a man.
avi yemini
That. That was one time. I remember I felt like, oh God.
I was with my wife and kids and it just like a tear just came out.
hannah claire brimelow
Like one masculine tear.
unidentified
It came out like full flexed on the way out.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you have sons at all.
avi yemini
I have two sons and two daughters.
hannah claire brimelow
So there is a level of like you have to be an example of how to be able to be like, yes, this is a very sad moment.
avi yemini
I just didn't think about it.
hannah claire brimelow
I couldn't. Without also being like, I have flown off the handle and I can't control myself.
phil labonte
But even to get past the crying part, right?
Like the guy that's sloppy fat, that dude is not in control of his life.
That is not masculine.
You cannot be a sloppy fat guy and be concerned.
tim pool
But what was the thing about having the morbidly obese guy say he ate carburetors for breakfast?
I thought that was in poor taste because they're making fun of him for being fat.
phil labonte
The guys that had the bad posture, that were crossing their legs, that had body language, that communicated that they were not confident, that's not masculine.
And these are things that can't be called toxic masculinity.
I don't care what something says.
avi yemini
I don't mind a fat dude that makes fun of himself for being fat.
phil labonte
There's nothing wrong with being fat or being overweight, but if you're that fat, you're not in control.
tim pool
I disagree. I think there is something wrong with being overweight.
I just think the appropriate response is encouragement and positive attitude for people that need help in their lives.
Like Lizzo's losing a lot of weight.
That's great. She's so cool.
I'm really excited. Nothing but positive words for her.
She blocked me because I criticized her for the flute thing, but that's whatever.
phil labonte
Yeah. Did you cry about it?
tim pool
No, no. I thought about crying, but then I thought it would be in poor taste because my girlfriend was in the room.
phil labonte
My point being masculinity, the core of masculinity, is about being in control of yourself and having the ability to know yourself and being able to control yourself.
And I think that nothing about that says anything about masculinity.
It's all superficial masculine.
I can build a carburetor.
I'm not afraid of doing what my wife tells me.
hannah claire brimelow
If you have to posture as masculine, you're probably not that masculine.
tim pool
Exactly. Honest question. Which vehicles still use carburetors?
phil labonte
Like tractors? Some, yeah.
If you build muscle cars or if you like old vehicles, then that makes sense.
But I mean, look, man. If you say, hey, I've got to go get a Chilton's book, people look at you like you've got a penis growing out of your head.
ian crossland
As you were saying about masculine being in control, I've been thinking about drinking alcohol and drugs, weed and Adderall and all that crap.
If you feel like you need a chemical, then you're not in control yourself.
I feel very out of control and not masculine when I'm drunk.
I don't like doing it. I haven't touched it in a month and a half or something.
phil labonte
I mean, I quit drinking years ago.
avi yemini
Now you guys are getting personal.
phil labonte
Is it because I'm Australian? I don't know.
tim pool
It's because this is like a big component of the election right now.
Tim Waltz is launching this man campaign.
The white dudes for Harris commercial where they're like, Are you a man who's scared to vote for a woman?
phil labonte
Get over it. It's all superficial garbage.
It's not going to convince any men, probably because it's written by women or not actually masculine men.
tim pool
Yeah, it would be absolutely hilarious if it's a redonkulous landslide.
Like, Donald Trump wins 100%, and then it's just the nation realizes literally nobody will vote for a woman.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't think that no one will vote for a woman.
And to be honest with you, if you want to see an example of a good woman leader, it was way back in the 80s when Thatcher ran the UK. She was considered the Iron Lady.
She stood up to the communists.
She was hard and she did the job the way that a leader should because she was a leader.
And it's not about being a man or a woman.
It's about being a leader.
You can be a woman leader.
Historically, there have been more women that have started wars, more queens that have started wars than actual kings.
So, like, the idea that men, that women can't lead, I don't agree with that.
But the idea that someone is just automatically should get the position because they checked the right boxes, I think Americans will reject that.
tim pool
I see what Phil is saying with the kings and the queens thing.
It's that the kings didn't have the emotional intelligence that when the conflict was starting to realize it was such a big deal and that everyone should become actively hostile.
ian crossland
Is that an official thing, that queens have started more wars than kings?
phil labonte
I'd never heard that. I don't know the numbers, but I believe that's the case.
tim pool
It's because they have emotional intelligence.
ian crossland
They know that it has to get done.
It's a Ryan Long bit. They have to override the way they feel.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, the Democrats are running a you're not voting for this woman because you're bigoted and mean men campaign when the reality is they just picked a bad woman.
It's not this woman.
And that's okay, right?
Like, they're not always going to be 10 out of 10.
In this case, you picked maybe a two out of 10.
But I don't think that this idea that you're going to scare men or anyone into voting for her by the idea that you might be bigoted is realistic.
I mean, there are plenty of female elected officials in government right now to prove that all kinds of people will vote for women.
Just Kamala Harris is the bad choice.
And that's kind of the DNC's fault, you know?
phil labonte
And it was the same thing with Hillary Clinton.
Look, Hillary Clinton was the establishment.
And we kind of reached a point as a society where we didn't want to see the machine in charge again.
There was enough people that were like, we don't want to see this person who is, who behaves as if she's entitled to it.
And as if it's her turn, we don't want to.
And that's part of why Donald Trump won.
It was her own hubris.
She didn't go to, you know, she didn't visit PA, she didn't visit the Rust Belt and stuff.
So there was, there's plenty of blame that she can take.
But like at the end of the day, if you put up a bad candidate, they're going to lose, they're likely to lose.
And you have to do some real electioneering to prevent them from losing, which is what I think happened in 2020.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from the post-millennial.
Trump vows to invoke Operation Aurora to deal with Venezuelan gangs, calls for the death penalty for migrants that kill Americans and police.
Trump said he would target and dismantle every migrant criminal network operating on American soil.
Trump has announced that upon taking office, he will invoke what he called Operation Aurora.
He did this, I believe he was speaking at a rally in the Colorado city of Aurora, which has been dealing with the gang violence from Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua.
Trump began saying that the effort was on behalf of those who have lost their lives to violence caused by gang members from Tren de Aragua and illegal immigrants who have come over the border to do harm to American communities.
He brought a local resident up onto the stage who had shared footage of her home in Aurora, notably her door.
She has multiple locks and blocks to prevent people from coming in.
But still, people knock on her door.
She's had a viral clip, and she's scared people could get in.
So Trump talks a big game.
I mean, do you really think that if he gets in, we're going to see these mass deportations and the rounding up of criminal gangs?
Or is it just going to be—is it bluster?
ian crossland
Well— The United States is not super federally empowered, so he'd be up against local governments, and there'd probably be a lot of pushback in certain sanctuary places where they're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, local government first, which is their right in the United States.
So he may be able to do some of it, but it's not El Salvador.
He's not Bukele. He's not going to be able to send out the feds and round everything up everywhere.
hannah claire brimelow
He's going to want to... I think the challenge will definitely be sort of blue states or sanctuary cities, right?
I mean, I'm sure there will be plenty of red states where law enforcement is like, yeah, we're happy to start assisting with the mass deportation of people who we know who are illegally who are committing crimes because that's sort of the way Trump has always let off.
Like, we're going to start there and then we're going to keep going, right?
Get rid of the illegals who are already criminals first.
But if that's aware enough and we have enough nonprofits in the US that are sort of going to immigrant communities saying you should move to San Francisco because they'll protect you there, it becomes sort of this battle between the will of local police forces and the governors to a certain extent.
Now immigration and the negative impacts of illegal immigration is a mainstream conversation in this election in the way that it never has been before, especially last year or the year – or last cycle or the cycle before.
So in some ways, I wonder if going into let's say midterms in 2026, if some of these democratic-led cities, democrat-governor-led cities or states will look at this and say, actually, this isn't the hit to my popularity that some people would have said four years ago, right?
They'll look back at this and say, actually, people feel like this is a warranted action.
tim pool
I don't know that I agree with calling for the death penalty.
First of all, I oppose the death penalty.
I don't know that I agree with Trump calling for the death penalty here.
I think he's trying to sound strong.
avi yemini
I read on the internet today that you don't.
tim pool
That's right. This is the weirdest thing I'll add to.
I don't understand how I can literally debate Matt Walsh on this show about the death penalty.
It was a great conversation, and he made some great points in the challenges of how you deal with criminal justice.
And it's like, I can say 5,000 times I oppose the death penalty, and they take one out of context clip and then just say, this proves, no matter what Tim has ever said, that he actually does support the death penalty.
I'm like, hold on, man.
Like, shouldn't these people be happy that I go on this show whenever we talk about it and say, here's why it's wrong and I don't like the death penalty?
but they don't care about any of that.
But I digress, without getting into that, my point was I think Trump is trying to come off as very strong on this.
He's saying he wants a death penalty for migrants that kill Americans because he's signaling to Americans, you matter more.
avi yemini
But that's what generally I feel like Trump does.
He's kind of the dude in the pub that says what you're thinking, says what everyone's thinking, nobody wants to say anything, he says it in the harshest kind of way you can to really cut deep and make people go, oh yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
We have a massive problem with immigration and let's just promise we're going to do something about it.
But does it really mean he's going to be able to or even try to invoke?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't see this as a reality.
I really don't.
And also, I think Trump probably shouldn't have gone there because what they're trying to do and they will try to do is when Trump...
Begins to deport criminal gangs and illegal immigrants, as he should and needs to.
This country is already dealing with way too much.
They're going to try and use as much World War II imagery as possible to invoke those emotions.
Trump's going to have law enforcement arresting a migrant, and then they're going to show it next to a black and white photo of a Jew being rounded up or something like that, and they're going to claim Trump is Hitler 2.0.
So him coming out and saying something like this is – it's not going to happen.
I doubt it will happen. I don't think it should happen, but they're going to use it against him and claim, see, look, he's going to – When are they going to use it against him?
avi yemini
Like in the lead up to the election?
tim pool
Absolutely. Absolutely. And they'll twist it to the most extreme imaginable.
And that's kind of what – not to make it about myself, but – You know, again, we go on this show and I will fervently be like the institution of the death penalty I think is wrong.
Here's why. And then it takes one out of context clip for the left to just pretend like I've always...
avi yemini
But does it matter? Like in your case or even in Trump's case, does it matter now if they jump on that?
tim pool
Really? My point is that there's going to be a lot of people who don't know what Trump is all about.
And Democrats are going to take this and they're going to make a commercial saying Donald Trump has vowed to become a dictator and kill migrants.
That's what they're going to say. And then Trump can't sue for defamation because they're going to play the semantic game.
And then they're going to use that as fear-mongering to manipulate people.
I don't know if they go that far, but people are going to say that stuff already.
ian crossland
What was his quote exactly?
Did you catch it in the post-millennial?
donald j trump
Well, let's see. Here you go. I'm announcing today that upon taking office, we will have an Operation Aurora at the federal level.
Thank you. To expedite the removals of these savage gangs.
And I will invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.
Think of that. 1798.
This was put there. 1798.
That's a long time ago, right?
Yeah, it was. To target and dismantle every migrant criminal network operating on American soil.
Who would have ever thought that a president or a future president would ever have to Stand here and say such things.
Who would think that that's even possible to have to do?
So many things have changed in the last four years, but that's the state of our country now after Kamala and Joe Biden have just absolutely destroyed our country.
We're a country in tremendous distress.
We're a failing country.
We're laughed at all over the world.
We will send elite squads of ICE, Border Patrol, and federal law enforcement officers to hunt down, arrest, and deport every last illegal alien gang member until there is not a single one left in this country.
And if they come back into our country, They will be told it is an automatic 10-year sentence in jail with no possibility of parole.
And I'm hereby calling for the death penalty for any migrant that kills an American citizen or a law enforcement officer.
avi yemini
You're the cheers, man.
He's basically saying any migrant that is convicted of murder.
tim pool
That's right. Yeah, so I disagree with the death penalty for a lot of reasons, and we don't need to get into that debate, but do you hear the cheering?
Look, man, I gotta tell you.
I'm gonna tell you a story. I lived in Florida.
I was down in the Redlands, just outside of Miami.
And it gives you perspective.
We lived in this five-acre property.
We had one night where we were all hanging out.
I don't know if it was like midnight or something.
We were making pizzas. When all of a sudden we saw, it's a five-acre property, and it was narrow.
It goes back pretty far. Somebody with a light.
Jump the fence, a six-foot fence covered in vines and trees and coconuts and whatever else.
Somebody jumped in. And we had heard stories that there were home invasions and murders already.
And so that's like a big wake-up call.
So some other stuff happened there.
I'll wrap that up. That's kind of the point.
Seeing something like that... We had heard from the neighbors that there was a home invasion and some guy was murdered.
He was upstairs and is taking a shower.
He gets out of the shower and he hears rustling.
So he walks down the stairs in his towel and on the stairs they just point a gun, boom, kill him, shot him in the chest.
And sure enough, you ask the locals, who are these guys?
Illegal immigrants. They were illegal immigrants who came here, and they're robbing his house, taking stuff, and they killed him.
And I thought to myself, this is why people who are in rural and conservative areas, or rural areas are more conservative.
You don't have police a minute away.
And a minute may even be too long in some of these cities as well.
But I went to a Trump rally, and I was talking to a woman who was an independent voter.
She had never voted before. This was in Fort Lauderdale where Trump was doing a rally.
And then she told similar stories that she was not really political, didn't care all that much, but then someone she knew was killed by an illegal immigrant.
avi yemini
Can I ask you, does your argument against death penalty also apply to a non-citizen?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
avi yemini
The government couldn't abuse it against American citizens.
tim pool
I already have a problem with U.S. drone strikes and all these things, right?
But I'm not so naive to say that in wartime and defense, people don't die.
avi yemini
I told Matt Walsh— But imagine the deterrent.
I don't think so. Do you think you're going to get many gang members coming here and returning and then committing murder?
tim pool
The 10-year prison sentence with no possibility of parole is a bold statement, if you can pull that off.
Death penalty would probably only scare non-criminals, illegal immigrants.
So I think a lot of the gangs... They're not good as well?
I think deterrent is good.
I don't like the institution.
And there is an interesting point about we want the message of if you commit a crime of an atrocity, and they're very extreme crimes that must be committed, like regular murder doesn't qualify, then you will be put to death.
We want that to, as a message to people, like you will lose, you'll pay the ultimate price if you dare cross us.
The challenge there is, of course...
I think the institution is flawed and is bad and I don't like it.
There's a big argument there.
But I understand the point that the inverse is if you outright say we will do nothing, you end up with Chicago.
And so I'm not advocating for the death penalty in any sense of the imagination.
I'm saying that we had Michael Franzese on the show.
He's a former captain in one of the crime families.
They call it crime families. He said the family.
He said we shouldn't call it the crime family.
And I asked him if this country was better off with the mafia.
And the reason why is, you see, I said, you see these videos of these guys smashing a car into a bodega, running in and just robbing everything.
These videos of two guys going and just beating a shop clerk and stabbing them, and then he stabs them back.
If the families were still in charge, would that happen?
And he's like, no. It would never happen.
We would never allow that.
And it's funny. When you have the mafia in charge, there's order.
Why? Because the mafia doesn't want to lose money.
But these roving bands of gangs do whatever they want.
So I'm not advocating for the mafia, but it's a fair point to say when the mafia was shaking down bodegas for protection money...
They could certainly use some protection now and they're not getting it.
phil labonte
To your point, Sean, actual Justice Warrior says this a lot and he's totally right.
Poverty does not create crime, but crime does create poverty.
If you do not have a system in place to prevent crime, you will not get investment, you will not have jobs, you will have flight of wealth.
If you have If you can't protect people's property, then they will go elsewhere.
And that means that the area, whatever you're talking about, you're going to have people that don't have work, don't have jobs, and you'll have a compounding problem of crime on top of poverty.
So you absolutely have to have a system that protects private property.
That's the very basis of Of our system.
People don't realize it because they think that the government does a bunch of things.
It's supposed to be providing services and blah blah blah.
The government must, and that's local and federal, but the government must protect private property.
And if you don't protect private property, you're not going to have a functioning society because you can't have markets that people will invest in unless people know that their investment is protected.
So if your society doesn't allow for private security to protect private property, or if the government itself doesn't protect private property, you will have a degradation of your society until you end up with Detroit in its worst Do you support what Trump is saying here?
I'm against the death penalty because the government can't do anything.
Go to the DMV. You want those people killing people?
No. I think there are...
avi yemini
You think there's a moral problem? No, no, no.
phil labonte
My problem is... Yeah, you're right.
It's incredible. There's no moral problem with killing people that need killing.
There is absolutely people that deserve to die.
The problem is that the death penalty kills innocent people.
It always has.
tim pool
And right, my argument specifically is people who deserve to die are people who are in the – like this is in law.
Someone pulls a gun on someone else and is about to kill them.
You have an affirmative defense of protecting your life or the life of others.
Someone is about to egregiously harm a child in various ways.
Then you have a legal right to defend yourself and others.
So, you know, I've had this argument with a lot of people like, right, I understand in self-defense because people try to conflate death penalty with self-defense.
Like if someone was going to kill somebody, wouldn't you defend?
I'm like, well, I hope I never experienced that moment.
But if there is an evil, murderous person, a terrorist or otherwise, I will do what I have to do to save lives.
And that does include using lethal force against someone who is about to kill other people.
But that's in the law.
We all recognize you have a right to do that.
The problem I have with the death penalty is that Kamala Harris is going to walk up to you and say, trust me, this person deserves to die.
avi yemini
That applies to an American citizen.
That wouldn't be a problem when you're talking about...
tim pool
Absolutely it would. Why?
Just because a tourist comes to this country looking...
Let's just say you get a guy who comes from Honduras legally and he's...
avi yemini
He's talking about illegal...
I guess you'd have to argue that they're illegal first.
tim pool
If he's saying...
avi yemini
He's talking about illegals.
tim pool
I believe he said... Let's play the clip again.
Make sure I get it right.
donald j trump
And I'm hereby calling for the death penalty for any migrant that kills an American citizen or a law enforcement officer.
tim pool
So perhaps we can say he really meant illegal immigrant, a person who broke the law and entered the country.
I'd still take issue with that.
Like, dude, some 40-year-old woman who runs in with her child is breaking the law, and I look down upon that.
I can actually respect, to a certain degree, the risk-taking for the American dream, or at least for the land of prosperity, but you are spitting in our face, you are breaking the laws.
I don't agree with that. I don't believe that that action, combined with Killing someone else warrants the death penalty.
I don't think there should be a death penalty at all.
But my point is, the death penalty as it exists today, if you murder someone in cold blood, you don't even get a death penalty for that.
There has to be extenuating circumstances where you've met a certain criteria.
So I don't like the idea that we're pushing it that far.
I think it's a slippery slope.
I think it's going to result in innocent people losing their lives.
I think it's going to result in waves of dissent and disorder in government.
I think that when you get to the point where – I'll put it this way.
I think it's logically ineffective in terms of strategic governance.
Donald Trump implementing a plan like that will give weapons to his detractors to convince people that he's crossed the line.
You're going to see this popping up all over the place.
As I mentioned, photos of Donald Trump comparing with Hitler and using any kind of deportation or even this statement, I guarantee you right now, is circulating on the left of him aggressively saying, I am calling!
And they're putting it black and white and they're tinting it red and they're zooming on his face and they're using that to terrify people and get them to be radicalized.
ian crossland
But he didn't even say illegal migrants.
He said migrants. What is going on with our world that the guy, the frontrunner for president, just called for the death penalty for migrants?
hannah claire brimelow
Who kill American citizens.
I mean, he's not just saying kill them at point.
unidentified
Now, let's try and break this down.
tim pool
Let's just steelman this.
phil labonte
It's just the death penalty for people that have committed crimes.
avi yemini
And the point of it is a deterrent.
tim pool
But I don't know that it is.
Let's steelman what Trump said.
It is not that he's saying – I do not believe it is fair to say, based on what Trump's intentions are, that if a 40-year-old illegal immigrant woman is driving a car and then passes out in a car accident.
Yeah, or like runs a stop sign and hits somebody.
You'll get the death penalty for that.
You get in trouble for blowing a stop sign and killing someone for sure.
I don't think Trump saying someone like that is going to get the death penalty.
The left will claim he is because they don't care what his intention is.
They care what they can squeeze out of the language.
ian crossland
Or a legal immigrant. According to what he said, you can really only take people with their word.
I think he intended to say a legal immigrant.
A legal immigrant got their green card.
They're here. They get into a car accident.
A person dies. No, they're saying he wants the death penalty.
avi yemini
There's no way he's saying that.
I get what you're arguing, but there's no way he's saying that.
tim pool
The left will claim he is.
avi yemini
Is that effective?
I don't know.
Are people in America still falling for that old trick?
ian crossland
Absolutely. If they read it in the news without context, they might.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the same people who fell for it before fall for it again, but it's not that radical.
phil labonte
Also the people that want to, that want to believe it.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the thing. It's just confirmation bias for people who already hate Trump.
I don't think there's a new...
There may be one or two, but I just really don't think there's this mass, this huge pool of American voters who don't know about Trump, who haven't heard that he's horrible and racist and whatever else.
Well, it's actually...
Well, it's actually.
And this is a little bit different from the death penalty or conversation, but what actually stands out to me about this rally more than anything else is the fact that Trump is giving specific promises, right?
Like, you don't have to like this as a suggestion, but he is like, here is exactly the operation we're going to launch.
I have named it. Here are the consequences.
Whereas Kamala Harris has given us what the term opportunity economy.
She said that she's not for price controls, but maybe also she is like she gets she speaks in riddles and and in in she traffics in vague promises.
And it's such a stark contrast.
Like, you don't have to like what Trump is saying.
On the other hand, he is giving specific, deliverable, measurable goals for his administration.
And she's sort of like performing in smoke.
tim pool
And I want to clarify for everybody.
No one no one here is insinuating that Donald Trump is literally saying that a migrant woman who came here on a tourist visa who gets in a car accident to be put to death.
We're saying the left is going to weaponize that against him in that way.
ian crossland
Watch out for it. Also, the crazy thing, how he did say a migrant that kills someone.
avi yemini
Yeah, I think the crowd had tightened up the way he worded that.
That's true. Having said all this, I've been here now two days, and I'm literally going across the country.
I've been here two days, I'm going across the country in the month, and the one day that I've done so far filming has been in San Francisco.
And I was shocked by...
Pretty much everyone we spoke to, their problems were illegal migration, illegal immigrants in San Francisco.
Were these liberals? Everybody.
It used to be. It used to be.
Yeah, the video is going to come out.
It's a pretty crazy place.
I've never seen anything like that.
I used to be a heroin addict and I have never seen people on the Nod in the way that I saw them.
tim pool
Let's dive into this.
Can you explain what you saw in San Francisco?
avi yemini
Yeah. Well, you'll be able to see it on Sunday.
Yeah. Aviacrossamerica.com.
There you go. You can watch it on Sunday.
But what I spoke to, anyone I could talk to in Tenderloin and...
You literally, like, everyone's really passionate there because they're living the, what I can only describe as, I guess, the Democrats' dream for the rest of the country.
And it kind of presents itself as a warning.
And everybody there, almost everybody, the only person that I think I spoke to that was kind of pro-Harris was saying, yes, it's going to be great when this spreads around the rest of the country.
But they were saying, it all came down, like a lot of them came down to illegal migrants taking all their opportunities and that's how they feel.
Whether it's true or not, I don't know.
But this is how the average and mostly African Americans that I spoke to were feeling.
And I don't know if they're going to be voting because I get the feeling there that most people don't really – that all they're really fixed on is the next hit.
tim pool
Have you seen the story out of Chicago with this?
The black residents literally said, we are being replaced.
That was their quote. Yeah.
Because the illegal immigrants – But I don't know, man.
How was it in Australia? You seemed shocked by it.
avi yemini
Australia must be nice. Well, I've never seen anything like that.
I dare say it'll come.
But it was a pretty big shock.
It's confronting to see...
And like I said, I'm somebody that has my own history.
I spent my teenage years on the streets, you know, shooting up heroin in my arm, but I have not seen that.
Fentanyl is a scary...
tim pool
So exactly what were you saying?
Like people were doing these drugs?
avi yemini
They're doing drugs on the street. That's like, okay, I've seen that before, but I've never seen them firstly do it so openly.
And we spoke to cops on the street as well, kind of telling us in their way what's going on and what the issue sort of is when you can read between the lines of what they're saying.
But people are literally falling over.
There's no fear of any consequence because there is no consequence.
And you walk into this bizarre...
Alternative reality, which is horrible.
Like, you feel bad. They were really nice people.
Straight up, everybody would talk to me.
Almost everybody except, like, a couple of drug dealers and...
tim pool
These are drug users.
avi yemini
Drug users. Wow.
But all, like, on the nod talking to us.
tim pool
Ratio. How many regular people going to buy a Starbucks and how many people doing fentanyl?
avi yemini
There, there's more fentanyl.
hannah claire brimelow
More fentanyl? But that's because San Francisco has made the Tenderloin District a mecca for drugs.
I mean, they talk about it, first off, it's taxpayer-funded for the most part, but they talk about it like, well, it's good because we know where you are, so if you overdose, we can help you, or we can make sure you have clean needles.
avi yemini
Anyone who says it's good, go there.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the thing. Like to me, it's like this is where you want to be and I'm almost not surprised that people are so comfortable talking to you because this is part of the routine.
I mean I was – I read an interview about a year ago with like a volunteer worker who works in New York because they do have different like areas set up to try and help people and say, well, are you interested in going to rehab?
And they're like, no, thank you.
I would rather stay here because it's a culture of like, well, this is the norm and this is what we're doing.
avi yemini
There was a bunch of people that I met there that said they actually came.
They weren't from there.
They came there for the drugs and for the freedom.
There was one who told me they actually came for the support that was offered around drugs.
So they joined a rehab. They got off drugs.
And then they remained clean for a couple of years.
But then just from being around...
Everyone you know is essentially on drugs.
They got pulled back into it.
And it's hard.
Like a 23-year-old...
You know, boy, to me, I feel like my kids are almost that age.
He's telling me, you know, he's been on it.
He's waiting to get off it.
He doesn't sleep at night because the two bags of his property that he owns, the two things that he owns, bags of stuff he owns in his life, he will lose it if he falls asleep at night.
It'll just be taken.
It's an insane place.
And if really that is...
The future of anywhere, like broader America, I would do anything to vote against that.
ian crossland
What do you think they should do, the government at least, what should they do to rectify it?
avi yemini
Make drugs illegal again, to be honest.
I'm like, I'm somebody that kind of sits in a weird position because this conversation is being had in Australia about legalizing drugs.
And in our capital, I think they are legalizing or decriminalizing heavy drugs.
And I dare say that anyone in Australia who supports that should actually go...
To San Francisco and see how that actually ends up.
It doesn't end well.
And as somebody that, you know, I used to use, we had needle exchanges and all that.
So I think I can see a balance in stuff.
Having said that, when I was a kid, it also encouraged me to use drugs because it was easier for me to call at 2am a needle exchange to deliver needles than it was to get, let's say, a pizza at that time.
So even in my time, in my experience, I may not have gone as far if it wasn't as accessible, and it's nothing compared to on the street in San Francisco in the open.
I remember we had to hide from the police to score drugs.
tim pool
I mean, the stores are shutting down.
Nothing. Wrote off their lease and basically the company that owned it forfeited the loan to their creditor.
And the same thing happened with several of the largest hotels in the city.
They have to know that these policies have resulted in the city falling apart.
ian crossland
If you make it illegal, because I think there's probably no easy solution, which is why it hasn't been solved yet, then would it criminalize possession and all those people would just start getting rounded up and sent to a jail?
avi yemini
Round them up and send them to rehab.
I don't know.
It's a hard thing. You can't get somebody off drugs who doesn't want to get off drugs.
It's true. And the problem is that their policies has just encouraged so many more people to get on drugs.
So what are you going to do with those that are already on drugs?
Yeah, it's a problem. But you better stop it now because what you have now is bad enough.
The problem is going to just grow.
And everybody there admits it.
Like, even the drug users, the majority of them admit that there is a major problem.
ian crossland
I could, like, see, like, not all drugs are the same.
Like, weed, it stinks when it's smoked.
But it's not heroin.
It's not opioids.
avi yemini
It's not fentanyl. I've never seen anything like that.
tim pool
I think they gotta ban all drugs.
avi yemini
I'm drinking caffeine right now.
ian crossland
You sell drugs. No, no, no. All drugs.
tim pool
Every single one. Ibuprofen.
ian crossland
Gone. Silly man.
All of them. Out. So there really is a conversation like fentanyl.
I've never had much up-close experience with fentanyl.
Have you? I mean, I don't know anybody that's been on fentanyl.
You have recently?
avi yemini
I've never seen it.
tim pool
You know, the crazy thing is these stories where these college kids or these high school kids will buy some kind of pill or something.
It'll be laced with fentanyl and they'll die.
Why would a dealer do that?
phil labonte
I think it's a mistake.
Yeah. I think when they put fentanyl in it, it's an accident that they put that much in.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that much. And fentanyl is cheaper than some other.
avi yemini
Yeah, it'll get you high.
I was going to tell you a story from my childhood, but probably not good to say.
Not a good one. But the idea is probably to get the kids really high for really cheap and just miscalculated.
hannah claire brimelow
Wow. Because the other thing is like...
avi yemini
It'll be a great high for sure.
There's a reason why that many people are on it.
tim pool
You know, I got prescribed opioids for when I had my impacted tooth.
They do nothing for me. Just has zero impact.
avi yemini
What was it? What was what?
Do you know the milligrams of it?
Was it not strong enough? I don't know.
tim pool
All I know is that it doesn't do anything for the pain.
When I had it before for a kidney stone, it feels good, but the pain is still 100%.
phil labonte
Oh, that's the thing about opioids.
They don't actually stop the pain.
They make you not care about it, which is weird.
I certainly care. Or that's the way it's described.
Really? You weren't having enough.
tim pool
So I got a kidney stone seven years ago and went to the ER. Because I didn't know what it was.
I thought I might have had appendicitis.
And they gave me everything.
And none of it worked.
And so then they finally gave me Toradol, which is an NSAID, and pain gone.
So I'm an ibuprofen fan.
That stuff seems to do the job for me.
ian crossland
I'm caffeine all the way. That's my drug of choice.
hannah claire brimelow
That's not a painkiller. But isn't this one of the problems with fentanyl, which is that people are affected by it differently?
Like, there's not a universal fatal dose, but it can be very fatal in small quantities.
And that's also interesting that you're saying there's none in Australia.
unidentified
I don't think there's a fentanyl issue yet.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, but I don't think Australia had the same kind of opioid crisis that we did.
avi yemini
Oh, we did. I don't know if it's the same as here, but it was, you know, back when I was a teenager, like, even the 2000s, like, heroin was everywhere.
Now they're just getting into the coke.
hannah claire brimelow
But you didn't have, like, the prescription opioid crisis.
phil labonte
That's not in the U.S. A lot of that is driven by prescriptions and by doctors that say that.
hannah claire brimelow
There are three ways of the opioid crisis in America, and one component of it was the over-prescription of opioids, which is fascinating because then it makes it easier to say, like...
phil labonte
Have you tried fentanyl? They were telling doctors that opioids were not addictive.
I don't know why on earth they were doing that.
hannah claire brimelow
You sell them. Bill, I don't know if you've heard of Big Pharma.
unidentified
Well, I mean, yes. I think that was sarcasm.
phil labonte
Yeah, like, I mean, it seems obvious that those drugs are addictive.
So why doctors weren't saying, oh, hey, we have to manage your pain with this.
avi yemini
To be fair to doctors, I don't think doctors themselves knew.
I don't think doctors know very much.
They're glorified pharmacists half of the time.
They just know whatever they're told.
phil labonte
But if you look at, if I understand correctly, the Netherlands, the way that they prescribe medication, when you go to the doctor and you have to have some kind of painkiller or whatever, they'll give you a little bit, and then they'll say, well, does it hurt?
Are you hurting? And they're like, yeah, well, there's going to be some pain while you heal.
They don't just try to eliminate the pain.
And I think partially that's because in the United States everyone is so focused on comfort constantly.
And if you reside yourself to the fact that life has discomfort sometimes, and if you get into an accident or you have to have an operation, there's going to be uncomfortable times.
And that's when you cry. That's when you test your mettle.
But the point is...
The constant striving for comfort, and whether it be here in the U.S., and not that I'm complaining because I love air conditioning, but the way that we air condition the buildings that we live in, we're so accustomed to it, whereas other places in the world, comfort is not the primacy.
Comfort doesn't have the primacy that it does here in the U.S. Dr.
ian crossland
Drew was on IRL like two years ago or something, and he was Dr.
Drew Pinsky. He's...
Board-certified physician, you know, etc., gone, been around.
But anyway, he said that they started treating pain.
This was something that changed in the medical industry.
I think it was in the late 90s where doctors had to treat pain.
And if a patient told you, I'm in pain, and you wouldn't treat it, you could lose your license for malpractice because it became officially indoctrinate that you had to treat their pain, not the illness itself.
And that's when the opioids, like, really took hold.
It's because it's like, I'll give you, then you're supposed to give them more painkillers, because the pain's the problem now.
And it's not, it never was before.
It was the illness that's causing the pain is the problem, if you can fight through the pain.
I don't know if that's actually ever been reversed to this day.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think America has a different—I mean, we know this is different than probably Australia, but definitely our culture around medicine is different than the way it is in Europe, in part because of the structure of how doctors are paid and the pharmaceutical industries are involved.
But I think what is fascinating to me about all of this is that fentanyl in America is a problem because we had a preexisting desire for opioids.
And if you're in a country that then did not get this influx of an alternative, you stand a different chance.
So I could understand why Australia is now suddenly like, well, maybe we should decriminalize this.
Like maybe they're not facing the same fallout.
What I think is wild is in America, we have cities like San Francisco and other cities that have taken steps to either decriminalize hard drug use or make it safer, quote unquote, by needle exchanges or whatever else.
And it fails, and then we just continue it or do it again.
We create these systems of dependencies that aren't actually helping anybody, and we know that we have a history of a problem, and yet we think we're being compassionate, but really we're just letting people suffer openly.
ian crossland
I don't know what to do, man. I mean, could you just make fentanyl illegal?
hannah claire brimelow
You'd have to stop the trafficking of fentanyl.
I mean, there is legitimate medicine grade prescribed by Dr.
Fentanyl, right? Then there's, like, manufactured fentanyl that gets trafficked.
phil labonte
And also, it is a controlled substance.
It is illegal to have it, you know, unless you've got a prescription.
I don't know. I don't know.
But I assume that it is an opiate.
It is an opiate. So yeah, it's classified with all the other opiates.
ian crossland
There's also norfentanil, which is a more powerful form of the stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
It's illegal too. But again, when I would write more about fentanyl use in America, people would be like, well, but the prescription fentanyl is fine.
It's like, yeah, sure, if it's prescribed by a doctor.
Although as we know, any kind of pain medicine is something you should be careful about because you can become addicted to prescription pain medicine.
But the problem in America is largely illicit fentanyl.
Fentanyl that is manufactured overseas and then trafficked into the country.
I mean, if you look at the border crisis, the conversation around not just human trafficking or people coming in to commit crimes, but the influx of fentanyl is one of the reasons so many people are starting to say like, we have to do something because they watch people suffer and die because they are addicted to this substance and we are letting it flow into the country.
ian crossland
They call it the Opium Wars.
In the late 1800s, the British Empire was trying to colonize China.
And they started shoving all this opium into the country to destabilize and destroy it.
And a lot of people say the Chinese have never forgotten that.
And now they're giving it back to us through Mexico.
And they're intentionally corrupting our society that way.
It's, by the way, fentanyl is a Schedule 2.
What? Marijuana is a Schedule 1 for some reason.
tim pool
I know. That's why I'm surprised. That's ridiculous.
ian crossland
Fentanyl, along with oxycodone and hydrocodone, Schedule 2.
avi yemini
Those are wild drugs.
Compared to any other family of drugs, there's nothing more addictive.
You become so dependent on it so quickly.
Just heroin that you can't live without.
You just can't live.
You're sick as a dog.
When I was a kid, I was on everything else except...
But heroin was the thing that got me because once you started it, There was no turning back.
tim pool
There's a viral story.
A guy on Reddit posted that he was going to try heroin one time because he thought he could try it, see what it was like, and then he wouldn't do it ever again.
And then his comments over the period of time, over like a year...
Have been archived because you can't.
He did it one time and then the whole thing turns into his life getting destroyed.
ian crossland
One of the most horrible movie characters, and we should maybe make a movie with this guy, the undercover cop that's forced to do the drugs for the role of playing the cop undercover.
He's like, hey, if I'm going to infiltrate this family, they want me to shoot the heroin.
And then he gets addicted and it destroys his family life.
His marriage falls apart.
He can't quit. And then he's like, his whole life is destroyed.
Like he thought he could do it.
tim pool
There's actually some true stories.
There's one where a cop infiltrated an active eco-terrorist group and then fell in love with one of the female eco-terrorists and then turned on his department and wouldn't rat on the eco-terrorists.
ian crossland
I love that. I was watching Ed O'Neill on Miami Vice.
He was like the undercover cop.
And they were like, has he turned? Has he turned?
That was like Ed O'Neill before he was Al Bundy on Married with Children.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story because it's Friday and we're going to have some fun.
And it's still an interesting and serious story.
Pentagon's secret UFO data retrieval program, Immaculate Constellation, revealed for first time in New Whistleblower Report.
So the crazy thing about this is these are called USAPs.
What is the Unacknowledged Special Access Program?
Literally defined as a program in which...
Here's what it says in this article from the January 2000 issue of National Security Magazine.
They say, confronted with the unauthorized use of a program name or a specific question, an accessed individual may deny all knowledge of a program, as he should, because its existence is a core secret and a mere no comment is tantamount to confirmation.
The questioner, who may not be aware that an accessed individual must respond to the question, will believe that denial and spread it further.
This is outright them saying these are whistleblowers.
The government has programs where they intentionally will lie to the press and claim these things aren't true.
And then the media will then go around saying, we talked to the government.
None of this is true. And that is the intention.
In this program, it's pretty crazy.
They're basically saying UAPs are a known problem.
Unidentified aerial phenomenon are a known problem.
One of the stories they tell, look at this.
The alleged leaked classified report to Congress described an incident in which a swarm of orb UFOs surrounded an F-22 stealth Raptor, forcing it off course.
The F-22 broke trajectory and attempted to evade, according to the alleged report, but was intercepted and boxed in by approximately three to six UAPs.
One UAP maneuvered in proximity to the area directly starboard the cockpit, as the whistleblower's report described the pilot's testimony.
There, the UAP established a rigid spatial relationship with the F-22, maintaining its exact position and orientation parallel with the F-22's cockpit despite multiple evasive rolls and maneuvers.
You're flying, an orb locks in, and no matter what you do, the orb just stays exactly in the same spot.
You roll, and it stays and rolls locked in that position.
phil labonte
It's the most maneuverable plane that the United States has, too.
ian crossland
They're locking onto it with lasers?
Or some sort of radiation beams that are locking onto the airplane.
And it's creating the distortion field around the airplane of these orbs that they can move around.
avi yemini
And they're just kind of... I'm just going to believe whatever he says because he's wearing that top and he just seems like he knows what he's talking about.
ian crossland
I know we're going to go this deep tonight, but I'm always ready.
We should have Ashton Forbes back on the show.
Has he been on the show yet?
He was looking at that Malaysian flight that just disappeared.
And there's like orbs in the video and he's got all this...
avi yemini
That's hectic, that story.
I can't believe I never found that.
ian crossland
When it comes to these orbs, I think that they're plasma phenomenon.
They might be drones, but having it locked on like that to the plane makes me think that it's plasma.
tim pool
The whistleblower claims to have authored the report to Congress described the immaculate constellation USAP as a strategic intelligence program and only one part of how the U.S. military currently deals with its UAP problem.
Maybe. Maybe it's what?
China has got some kind of new weapon we don't know about and they're harassing our...
avi yemini
To me, that's more likely.
tim pool
Right? Then what?
Aliens? Aliens.
But no one's saying aliens here.
UAP just means...
unidentified
Yeah, I know. Or it could be a corporation.
avi yemini
People, when they watch it, when they look at an article like that, they just assume it.
ian crossland
Like a dark corporation that no one knows exists.
tim pool
The Zionists. Everybody knows they exist.
Come on. People won't shut up about them.
avi yemini
It was not mine.
ian crossland
You're the one who said it. I bet there are corporations that aren't on the books.
I would be surprised if there weren't.
tim pool
You mean secret societies?
phil labonte
The defining thing about a corporation is that it's registered with the government.
ian crossland
So like an organization, I should say.
I'm sure there are plenty of organizations.
I normally don't make any kind of claims that I can't back up with remote evidence.
avi yemini
I'm so scared as to where this conversation is headed.
ian crossland
Aliens. The Illuminati.
The Illuminati.
hannah claire brimelow
It can't be aliens because Hunter Biden's not up to anything right now.
That's when we only get stories about aliens.
Yeah, that's true. His trial is coming up, though, pretty soon, I think.
tim pool
Oh, that explains this story.
unidentified
Me? My assumption is...
hannah claire brimelow
Here we are. I assume they would have released it the week of, but, you know.
ian crossland
Path of least resistance is that Occam's razor is that it's American military programs, secret military programs.
tim pool
Right. I agree.
There was a story where they said that there were some UFOs flying around, and then I was reading this quote about it, and some guy said, it's shocking to see something like this.
We often have to deal with weird things because we have that experimental naval facility 70 miles away.
And I'm like, wait, what? So you know what's going on?
ian crossland
Not these ones. Pine Gap.
Are you familiar with it? It's in the middle of Australia.
It's the second largest American military base outside of the United States.
And it's in the middle of Australia, kind of like secluded in the middle of a desert or something.
And it's like, I don't know what it is, if it's a research facility or if it's like a...
Like a spy network?
Is that the main spy facility or something?
avi yemini
It's you guys. Why are you asking me?
ian crossland
It's your gig. People go there and they're like...
avi yemini
They experiment on kangaroos.
tim pool
Whoa. That proves it.
ian crossland
They've got like big towers and stuff.
avi yemini
Kangaroos used to actually be cows until you guys got there.
ian crossland
So they genetically...
hannah claire brimelow
I just assumed they were like jacked men.
They'd go live in Australia for a while.
ian crossland
Yeah, Pine Gap's pretty fascinating.
There's a lot of American military resources.
tim pool
Yeah. Satellite Communications and Signal Intelligence Surveillance Base, Joint United States-Australian Base.
unidentified
It's like an imperial... That just means American and Australian.
avi yemini
It just means that... We just get our name on it.
tim pool
Well, I mean, you guys are like a vassal state of the United States, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
Or the empire? Who's running the empire?
Is it Emperor Charles or is it the American...
phil labonte
It's the Emperor Charles. That's like he doesn't even run England, bro.
tim pool
Yeah. It's like dead centre in Australia.
avi yemini
I actually went there because we had a massive crime.
In fact, it's still there now.
Alice Springs is like the crime capital of Australia.
It's a hectic Aboriginal crime.
It's kind of the stuff you see here, but minus the guns.
hannah claire brimelow
Alice Springs is in like what Australians call the bush, right?
Like it's in the middle. Outback.
That's Outback Australia. It's like middle of nowhere.
So it's really rural.
And then there's like Alice Springs.
I mean, I'm sure there are some other towns, but it's like it's totally removed from Melbourne.
avi yemini
It cost me more to fly there to cover what was going on than it would to come to America.
Yeah. Wow. Catch this little dodgy plane.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, or there's like a train that goes to it from, I think, Adelaide.
Like, it's difficult to access.
So it is in some ways isolated from the rest of the country, right?
tim pool
They have like a lot of crime, you were saying?
avi yemini
Yeah, yeah. So it's...
That's a lot to go there.
But it's actually African-American culture, like ghetto culture that's like infiltrated the indigenous, the Aboriginal kids.
And I guess they're also bored and a bit like San Francisco.
So police, they've got all these...
Woke ideas of how to police Indigenous communities because the white man's so bad.
And white guilt is kind of guiding policy, which means that, you know, you can watch kids commit violent crimes and nothing happens.
They might take them in for an hour and they're back out.
And the cops, I was talking to the cops, they just don't do anything because they're like, well, we have no tools if you let us do it.
phil labonte
A lot of that attitude actually comes from Franz Fan in a book called The Wretched of the Earth.
He's kind of like the lead, was like the leading thought leader of, or one of the thought leaders of like the idea of decolonization.
hannah claire brimelow
I was listening to a true crime episode of like an unsolved case that was in either – in Alice Springs or very near that area.
Yeah, there's a lot of – And one host is explaining to the other like, oh, this girl went missing – this small child went missing at a party.
And they're trying to describe this party where like it's underage drinking but also everyone's grandmother is there.
And like it's just like – the other host is like, wait, but like if their parent – we don't – Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Australia is unique in a lot of ways, but it seems like a unique part of Australia, even to the rest of the country, that would be difficult to untangle.
avi yemini
I think there's a lot of outback towns that are similar.
Alice Springs has gotten a lot of attention, but in Alice Springs, one of the main drivers is alcohol.
And so what they did was, so conservative governments implemented an alcohol ban, essentially, or restrictions around service of alcohol at days that you can buy alcohol, restrictions on how much a person can buy.
And then, of course, the left came in and they go, oh, well, that's a racist policy, even if it was actually led by some Aboriginal politicians.
But they deemed it, it's racist, you can't...
And so they lifted these bans and, you know, it comes back to, like, San Francisco banning the fentanyl or whatever, actually enforcing the law.
Once they lifted it, shit got mad.
So much worse. Then the left, the Labor government, which is our left, Ended up being forced to re-implement the bans that they deemed so racist because they realized that was the only thing that worked at least to a certain degree.
ian crossland
Was it like on the people in Alice Springs or in just that area of the country?
avi yemini
In Alice Springs, yeah. So there were certain days that the bottle shop was open.
I can't remember the restrictions at all.
I did a whole couple of weeks reporting from the ground there.
It was pretty insane.
ian crossland
Dang, man. Did you get close to Pine Gap?
avi yemini
Yeah, yeah. Super close.
I drove by it.
I didn't even realise till I was there that that had existed.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think they do live fire exercises outside of the facility.
avi yemini
And I met a bunch of Americans and I was like, what are you doing here?
It's mostly Aboriginal communities that are all surrounding it.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what you were talking about. And they're close-knit communities.
So then you have a sudden like appearance of Americans.
avi yemini
And they're all tribes and yeah.
And then you have like the white Aussies that are there, farmers or whatever.
And then you had a bunch of yanks, like military guys that are just hanging about.
I'm like, what is there an American accent doing here?
hannah claire brimelow
I can't imagine being an American service member who's like being told you're getting deployed to Australia.
And they're thinking like, Sydney, beautiful.
avi yemini
And then you're in Alice. It would be a horrible game.
ian crossland
I don't know. I envision the underground.
avi yemini
It would be a horrible game. I disagree.
tim pool
I think there's probably a lot of guys who are in the military who are like, yeah, it's going to be cool.
Go on an adventure and you go out to the middle of nowhere.
avi yemini
Until you get there. And then you live underground.
tim pool
I would love to spend time at McMurdo or Antarctica.
I think it would sound fun to be out there for a little while.
People get stationed... For a little while.
avi yemini
I agree. The landscape is incredible.
It's something you haven't seen, like the red dirt.
Ayers Rock. It's crazy what you...
It's beautiful, but it will get very boring very quickly.
tim pool
Yeah, but you know what? That's what humans do.
You know what I mean? I feel like...
Not everybody could do it. I hear you.
ian crossland
Did you guys play Fallout? Not Fallout.
No, no, no. Yes. Half-Life.
You have played Fallout. Half-Life, the original Half-Life.
You're a science facility guy with super high-tech clearance, and you go Black Mesa, Arizona, I think, and you go on this train, and you're just going underground further and further.
I think that's kind of what Pine Gap's going to be like.
Like, deep underground, massive high-tech.
tim pool
Well, you know what they say is...
What do you think... Underground, there's a bunch of cities where the lizard people...
Why do you think that?
ian crossland
Because it's so desolate on the surface, and if you see satellite images of Pine Gap, it just looks like a remote nothingness, but it's the second largest military.
phil labonte
What do you think is in there?
ian crossland
Well, there's apparently Alice Springs, so there's spring water, so there's underground reservoirs of some sort, so that's a good place to be underground.
tim pool
They got a Target. Not a real Target.
Australia stole Target from us, but it's okay.
avi yemini
We call it Tajay, to be fancy, but it's nothing like your Target.
tim pool
Well, no, and the brand is not the same thing.
ian crossland
I think that they're working on, I don't know what they're working on, interdimensional travel, dude.
Super high-tech, vibrational, teleportation.
tim pool
Racing camels, bro. I don't know what they're doing.
ian crossland
That's what they want you to think.
avi yemini
That's what I'm playing. I mean, don't you think that it makes me...
Alice Springs, right here. Alice Springs, yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah. Don't you think that it makes more sense that considering Australia is fairly close to China, that it would be like an outpost for monitoring China?
ian crossland
Yes, exactly that, yeah.
avi yemini
Camels are actually, I think, our biggest export, if I'm not wrong.
Pardon me? I think one of our biggest exports.
Oh, we got kangaroos. Sorry, it's definitely not our biggest, but it might be the biggest seller of camels in the world.
Something weird.
tim pool
You guys, like, you've probably eaten quite a bit of kangaroo, I'd imagine.
avi yemini
A little bit. I don't...
Really? It's really tough meat.
Is it common? Yeah, you can get it, but you've got to know how to cook it.
tim pool
Ah, yeah. We have kangaroo jerky around here somewhere.
avi yemini
You boil it? No, no.
When it's cooked well, it's okay.
It's lean meat. It's really good for you, but it's not...
tim pool
You ever see that video where the kangaroo is punching the window?
And the guy's looking through the glass and the kangaroo's trying to get him?
avi yemini
Kangaroos are cool. I think kangaroos are cool.
They get a bad rap sometimes.
Where I live, they're walking around.
tim pool
They're tall and they're like...
ian crossland
Do you hang out? Have you been with them a lot?
avi yemini
We fist bump every day.
Where I live, close to me, there's a lot.
tim pool
We've got like 50 deer out in the backyard.
avi yemini
So the way you have deer here is like kangaroos.
ian crossland
You see one jumping in the yard in a rural area, kind of?
avi yemini
Yeah, it has to be like this sort of...
tim pool
The deer will be sitting outside our house, and we'll walk outside and it'll look at us and just walk away.
avi yemini
Yeah, same as kangaroos. Kangaroos are the same.
ian crossland
I love them, but they've got massive bites.
They have like claws? They have huge pectoral muscles.
avi yemini
I don't know if they have claws, actually.
ian crossland
God, they're herbivores, or we would have probably wiped them out by now.
They ate meat.
tim pool
They'd probably be extinct. Weird animals.
Yeah. So basically, the way I describe Australia, most people do, is if you were playing Earth and you were like, I want to go to the highest level monster zone, because the spiders are as big as your face, every snake will kill you by looking at you, you know what I mean?
avi yemini
We used to have that rep until COVID. We're the country of real men until the government told us we've got to stay in our houses or we're going to die from something you can't see.
We're not scared of spiders and snakes, but this invisible virus is going to kill me.
tim pool
We've got to go to Superchance.
ian crossland
If anyone wants to, you did some of the best documentation from the inside of Australia during the COVID experience, I thought.
So check out all of Avi's work on that.
tim pool
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Here we go. That one gamer says, 21-year-old Gen Z here.
Indeed, good sir.
Indeed, good sir. I hope more Gen Z guys just want to be guys and they find themselves in good company with good podcasts.
You don't need to be political. You know, you've got men who have good podcasts.
Jocko, Sean Ryan, some men that will tell you about the things they go through, and maybe that's inspirational.
Jordan Peterson did very well with us, still does.
But good influences, man.
All right, Invisible Dud.
Has anyone went and checked on Maui and East Palestine after the disasters?
Did they ever get taken care of like we were told they were going to be?
Did they ever get... Also, love you, Ian.
ian crossland
Keep being cool. Oh, thanks, man.
I have not followed up on these.
It's the jumper, bro. Definitely is.
I was thinking, Luke Rakowski gave me this, by the way, or he encouraged me to buy it or something like that.
I have not followed up on these.
It's like out of sight, out of mind. Almost like the hurricane or the damage in the southeast right now.
I have looked on the news today.
I looked up Milton, and it was like 18 hours ago was the last story about it.
I have not been following. Have you been following East Palestine?
Any of you guys? Or Maui at all?
avi yemini
I think Rebel actually went back.
They sent a team back.
And they're like, nothing is done.
I haven't rebuilt one thing.
phil labonte
That's because of the toxicity, right?
tim pool
In East Palestine? Are the people getting taken care of?
avi yemini
I thought you were talking about mail.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you talking about rebel sent a team to Maui?
avi yemini
To... East Palestine. One of them, I can't remember which one.
tim pool
East Palestine is where the chemical spill happens.
avi yemini
Yeah, I know they sent them to one of them where they were going to rebuild.
No, I think it was the other one.
Maui. Maui. Yeah.
They sent them to Maui and nothing was rebuilt.
You can fact check. Just look at it.
hannah claire brimelow
I know it was just recent. I think the CEO of Norfolk Southern, which was the train company, stepped down.
But again, is that impacting the residents really?
I don't know. And there was some sort of fine.
But again, is this helping the residents?
tim pool
I don't know. Alright, we got Mike Coyne.
He says, I got the boobies! Aw, no James II tonight?
Yes, James will be back next week.
But yeah, the boobies board.
So take a look. BooniesHQ.com Do you guys know what a blue-footed boobie is?
Now I do. It is a bird on the Galapagos that has blue feet and it does not fear humans.
How big is it? I don't know.
They look like they may be like this big, like decently big.
Oh, I love it. And so Sam from the Boonies crew made this board, the Boobies.
He replaced the N with a B, and it looks funny, and then they put this bird on it, and it's our second best-selling skateboard.
ian crossland
It's like a penguin. Yeah, they're blue-footed boobies.
tim pool
They have a great name. We love them.
We love them. So you can check those out if you want to get it at boonieshq.com.
But step on snack and find out.
I think we sold like 300 of these.
And so our distributor didn't believe us when we were like, yo, we're going to sell these things like crazy.
They're like, okay, we'll see. And then we did.
And they were like, oh, wow. People want to step on snack and find out.
ian crossland
I was going to say, I've missed the days of when boob was like an insult.
You boob, like in cartoons and stuff.
tim pool
Bring it back, man. Yeah, bring it back. Bring it back.
ian crossland
Yeah, shout it. All right.
tim pool
Ray G. Stanbert Jr.
says, if you don't vote Harris, you ain't black.
Barack Obama, 2024. That was none of my bingo card, to be honest.
I mean, we knew they were going to pull out Barack Obama when they needed him the most.
They've been waiting, you know?
ian crossland
It's like retiring an old battleship.
Not retiring it. Bringing it out of harbor.
It's not quite the same material that all the new battleships are made of, but it's still functional.
tim pool
All right. Rodan says, Angel Studios, Sound of Freedom.
I cried. Yeah, that intro was pretty brutal, man.
I got to give him that one.
Let's go. What do we have here?
Here we go. Salty says, this super chat has been paid for by my black job where I work overtime on a regular basis because our economy has been wrecked, praying that my hard work can go unpunished and untaxed.
MAGA. Indeed.
Did you guys see that video where allegedly Nelly yelled MAGA? I love Nelly.
I don't know that he actually said MAGA. It's like you can't really tell what they're rapping, but it sounds like he says MAGA. Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah. I saw some tweet today that was like Lana Del Rey says she's behind mass deportations, but I don't think she actually said.
I haven't fact-checked it, but I'm hoping.
You know, she married that alligator tour guide.
phil labonte
Anything could happen. It's possible.
tim pool
A father's crisis says, I don't know what this Kamala ad is supposed to prove.
I do love women. I think every man should own one.
hannah claire brimelow
You guys are so funny.
phil labonte
You declare such a good sport.
tim pool
Is This Dom says, watching Lord of the Rings for the 50th time last week, I cried.
I don't cry at all in Lord of the Rings.
phil labonte
What part would you cry?
tim pool
I don't know. When it starts.
When Sam carries, when it starts.
unidentified
100%. That was a good one.
tim pool
Marani says, Lord of the Rings is the only acceptable answer to shed a tear to, my friends, you bow to no one.
unidentified
I don't know. Nope.
tim pool
Sound of freedom, I get it. Joshua Beckett says, differentiate crying and weeping.
Weep when Sam carries Frodo.
Cry when your father dies.
ian crossland
A lot of Lord of the Rings fans.
unidentified
Seriously. I had no idea. I mean, it was pretty badass when Sam carries Frodo.
avi yemini
I'm getting cancelled in for that one.
tim pool
Aaron Parson says, I cried playing The Last of Us when Joel's daughter gets shot and dies.
I am a girl dad, so it hit me hard.
Bro, the intro to Sound of Freedom will rip out your heart.
This poor dad, man.
So sad. Carlos Redmond says, last movie that made me cry was Sound of Freedom.
Trevor Ritsky says, I cried watching Sound of Freedom.
hannah claire brimelow
Somebody call Angel Studio right now.
Be like, you're making all these men in America cry.
What do you have to say for yourself?
tim pool
That movie was good.
That was so good. Yeah.
Found Hope says, I cried watching Rings of Power.
It was so bad. Just kidding.
I didn't watch that rubbish.
They're canceling it. Are they?
ian crossland
Season 2 it's in right now? I guess.
tim pool
I don't know. I heard they're canceling it.
I'm not going to watch it.
I was watching it shredded. Apparently, Marvel is firing all their activists.
Really? And they're trying to reboot because...
You can really see what happened.
I mean, we talked about it a little bit last week.
After Infinity War, they brought in Brie Larson, and everything went woke, and it just started fumbling downhill.
They stopped making money.
They went from billion-dollar movies to $300 million movies.
The Marvels bombed, made no money.
And so Kevin Feige was like, fire all of these people.
ian crossland
What is going on? I'd love to play a Marvel character.
Like, just turn that IP around.
Because it's a great IP. We make some cool...
avi yemini
You know, it must be bad, because my 17-year-old daughter, when I... She's argued everything with me always.
That's pretty much her job.
But the other day she came up and goes, I can't remember what movie it was, but it was like a remake of a modern Marvel movie now.
And she goes, I can't watch any of the new stuff anymore.
Everything's just crap.
It's all work. And I just looked at her and go...
unidentified
I told you five years ago!
avi yemini
It is. But it must be bad.
tim pool
I know. So they're trying to redo it all.
They're trying to do a reboot.
And so they brought Robert Downey Jr.
back. So they brought Robert Downey Jr.
back. He's going to play Dr. Doom. Oh, that's cool.
But everyone's like, how does this make sense?
He's going to look like Tony Stark.
And they're like, no, because Dr. Doom's face is in a mask.
They're going to do something. But Robert Downey Jr.
is great, but they knew.
They had to go to him and they were like, dude, we went from billion dollar movies to bombs.
What do we do? Fire all the activists.
I just gotta say... They went from Thor, Chris Hemsworth, what is he like?
6'3", and he's massive.
And then they bring in Brie Larson, who's 5'7", and 100 pounds soaking wet.
And they were like, people are going to like watching this.
And they did not. They did not.
That burned everything down.
phil labonte
They continue to ignore the fact that men and women are different.
And that's okay.
And we should celebrate the differences and not try to make women into men.
tim pool
I was just thinking, like, you know, if they wanted to have a female superhero like Captain Marvel, they could have got an actual strong woman to play the role.
phil labonte
They could have had a man write it, so that way it didn't look like she was mugging some dude because she hates guys.
Well, he said smile more. Oh, yeah, but I mean, it was still not a heroic thing.
tim pool
It was... They clearly brought in a woman to write that.
And then what happened was the movie made a billion dollars and they said, see, people love it.
Then they made the Marvels, the sequel, and it bombed.
And they were like, no, people like Marvel.
So they went to go see your movie and they won't go see another one because you've burned the brand down.
But you've not seen it, I imagine.
So it's clearly written by a woman.
It starts with her walking up to a guy, a guy on a motorcycle, and he looks at her and he goes, you should smile more.
And then she looks at him and the next scene she's stolen his clothes and his motorcycle and is driving away.
It's like, yeah, a man didn't write that.
phil labonte
And the parts that were actually cut off, they edited it.
She actually beat the crap out of the guy.
Oh, really? They did shoot that stuff.
They just cut it out. Jeez.
And she's supposed to be the hero.
So she's got superpowers, and she beats a normal man for saying, smile more.
That is not anything that a hero does.
That is a woman who hates men writing her personal fantasy.
tim pool
And let's break this down, too, because even in the first Thor movie...
The point of Thor and Iron Man is that they're not good people, right?
They tried claiming that, oh, it's because Brie Larson's character is a bad guy.
She's working for this elite alien military, so she's not a good guy yet.
She has to earn that. And I'm like, even Tony Stark, when he was the bad guy who didn't care, wasn't evil.
And Thor, when Thor, he's arrogant, and he wants to do good, but he's full of himself, and he gets his powers taken away.
Then they get Brie Larson, and it's like, nah, she just beats the guy up because that's my own words.
phil labonte
And that's a characteristic, or that's a thing that happens frequently in modern movies where females are the lead.
You can't actually hurt a woman in movies because people don't like that happening.
So you have to have this character that's awesome in the beginning and awesome all the way through.
If you look at The Force Awakens, Rey was awesome from the start.
She beat What's-His-Name at the very end of the first one.
In the first Star Wars movie...
Luke was nothing.
He was almost a tertiary character until the end.
tim pool
He did nothing heroic. And all he did was fire the missiles.
phil labonte
Yeah. And then in The Empire Strikes Back, he got his ass handed to him the whole movie.
tim pool
And his hand taken from him.
phil labonte
Yeah. And it took all the way to the third movie before you were like, okay, now he's returned.
Doing front flips. Yeah, now he's learned.
He's gone through struggle.
He's suffered. And now he's back as the Jedi.
And he's learned all these things in two whole movies.
And they didn't do that at all.
And they don't do that anymore with women because people reject seeing women suffer like that.
tim pool
Well, I think that's true too.
But I also think what happened was they hired activists.
The activists don't know or care about story structure.
So another good example is Captain America, the film's the first one.
What is it? Steve Rogers is feeble.
He is weak. Yeah. And then Captain America 3 is Civil War.
He refuses to sign the papers and work in tandem with these foreign governments and becomes a criminal.
His whole arc puts him against the system that he once loved.
It's really interesting writing that he's still the hero the whole time.
And they do Brie Larson.
They do the Marvels.
What other? They have a bunch of shows I never watch.
I'm not going to watch any of them. Echo or something.
And it's just the...
phil labonte
Yeah, the writing just all went to crap.
tim pool
Let me simplify it for you, and then we'll read some more Super Chits.
Iron Man, he's got power, but he's a dick.
He learns to become a hero, and he does the right thing.
Thor, very powerful and heroic, but overly arrogant, loses his power to learn a lesson.
Captain America, weak, proves himself as a hero, becomes powerful.
In the end, they overcome evil, and they become the heroes they were meant to be.
Captain Marvel. Brie Larson was always strong.
She's super powerful, but a man has put an inhibitor on her holding her power back and told her, I'm not kidding, check your emotions.
Stop getting so emotional. In the end, she overcomes the inhibitor chip to discover her true power and defeat the man.
That's it. The man is not a bad guy.
He kind of is, I guess.
phil labonte
It's all just fantasies by women that have horrible opinions.
tim pool
That women don't want to watch and neither do men.
Alright, we'll grab some Super Jets.
We got Lars Job says, The opening scene from Saving Private Ryan when it got quiet after old men were sobbing in the theater.
ian crossland
That was an amazing scene.
That whole lamb landing on the beaches in Normandy is so powerful.
tim pool
Wow, it's amazing. Philip Booth says, My mother took her own life just over a month ago.
Phil, you voiced my take on the subject, and it was your music that helped me keep my sanity and composure.
phil labonte
Thank you, sir. I appreciate hearing it, man.
I'm glad to hear that it helped, man.
unidentified
Sorry to hear about your mom, brother. Yeah, sorry to hear that.
tim pool
The deplorable Mrs. Drake said, I have a prank idea.
Trump magnets on cars at Harris rallies.
Also, you've got to get Estee Palti on for great Kamala impersonation.
She's great. What would happen?
I don't recommend anybody do that.
ian crossland
Yeah, don't. I think that would be like vandalism.
tim pool
Well, they're just magnets, though, so it's like they can be taken off, but someone else will vandalize the car.
No, no.
All right, here we go. It's a good social experiment.
Yeah, but don't cause trouble. I don't like nuisance streamers, you know what I mean?
Dude, I gotta tell you, man.
I've been looking at the front page of YouTube because we've been getting featured and I'm getting messages and stuff and I appreciate it.
But I look at some of the stuff that's recommended on the podcast side and I'm like, YouTube is a hive of scum and villainy.
Like, no joke.
The things that are...
I got no answers for anybody.
There's a video right now where it's like...
It's just absolute fabrication.
Claiming that I'm feuding with the Young Turks...
And they're feuding with me, and we're not.
And it's like they edit it in such a way to make it seem like, seriously, you can take clips and then put them out of context.
It's just, there's so much fake craziness.
ian crossland
It's nuts. I saw a video, it was Tim Pool destroys David Pakman, and it's like five years old.
tim pool
I was like, what? And it's a new video.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a video from like eight days ago or something.
tim pool
I was like, what in the hell?
I don't know why it showed up. The space has become hyper-saturated, and now what people are doing is they're looking at search terms, and Tim Pool in the search is a super high SEO thing right now.
ian crossland
You know, Elon's changing about Twitter's algorithm for paying out.
It's less about trash content.
It's going to be more about having premium people responding.
I don't know. It's less about engagement farming.
So that's because I think people are engaging farming.
unidentified
I got so sick of that on X. What do you think of this?
ian crossland
And it'd be a picture of a llama. Every dumb...
tim pool
And what pisses me off is when I would troll, people would accuse me of engagement farming.
And I'm like, I'm not doing this for money.
avi yemini
I'm just doing it for fun.
tim pool
No, but I wouldn't ask a question like...
avi yemini
There are certain accounts that are just...
tim pool
That's what they do. They ask the question.
avi yemini
Or they make certain statements which just are designed for engagement.
tim pool
But when I troll, it's not for money.
I've always trolled. You've done it for free.
avi yemini
You're a good man.
tim pool
I put something like I support – I'm pro-choice.
I support abortion. Liberals are making the future conservative and I respect them for doing it, things like that.
And it's meant to be facetious because I don't actually like these things.
But I'm trying to make the point that if liberals keep sterilizing their kids and getting abortions, the future is going to be conservative.
And then people are like, you're just engagement, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, it's called an opinion. I don't know.
Like – I'm on Twitter posting my statements.
Get out of here. Leave me alone. Although now they're saying the pay is going to be even better.
And premium, you know, content.
Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean, full disclosure, because I posted my whole payout sheet.
I get about 10 grand a month off X. And I'm not, I don't really, I consider myself that active.
ian crossland
Yeah, now they need playlists.
Once they can put playlists on that.
avi yemini
It is getting better from that side of it.
tim pool
You need a videos tab.
Yeah. They need, like, you go to Twitter and it's got, you know, following, whatever.
You click videos and the whole page should wipe and there's going to be 10 videos.
Yep. Just like YouTube.
That's what they need. Because we're streaming right now on X, but it's really hard to find.
ian crossland
Yeah, my stuff gets lost. My live streams on X right now are getting lost.
avi yemini
But even videos... One of the changes that they made on X, which was weird, was when they got rid of the views...
tim pool
Live viewer count and switched it.
avi yemini
Well, that... And then also just when you publish videos...
And you know how when somebody re-embedded your video, your views carried along so you could see how many views your video actually got across the platform...
Yeah. Now there's no way and it gives you that inflated numbers like views versus whatever it actually was.
ian crossland
It'd be cool if your view count was there and then in parentheses it showed the other view count of like all of them together.
tim pool
I really dislike that they converted concurrent viewership into total viewership.
I know! Because now, because there's people who are like, I get way more views on X so I'm gonna start streaming there and I'm like, that's delusional.
ian crossland
You gotta know how to read it. And what that means is like over an hour if a thousand people come in for a minute and leave, it's gonna say that you have a thousand viewers.
avi yemini
Having said all that, I very much prefer the Elon Twitter 2.0.
Before I was walking on eggshells, I wouldn't say anything.
tim pool
Elon! It would be so based if there was a video page that when you go to it, you get a homepage feed of all the videos from the people you follow.
And when you click it, it shows you like 10 videos and then you can scroll down and it's like rows of five, just like YouTube.
That would make X massively viable in the video space.
And the videos are already being hosted.
They're already there. They're just not easy to find.
ian crossland
They might be like, well, it's going to cost us a lot of money because they're already there.
tim pool
Well, maybe because more people would start uploading.
Big time. But you're going to get more advertisers then.
More ad space. Maybe they need to crank up their ad sales before they can increase inventory.
They're waiting to launch, basically. I think it would be so awesome if you could scroll Twitter like YouTube.
Imagine if you opened the Twitter app and you swiped left.
It had an option. And it was a video feed like YouTube.
avi yemini
It's a good idea. I do feel like generally going in the right direction.
Agreed. That stuff is a bit slow.
tim pool
They're treating it like shorts and TikTok.
That when you play a video, you swipe up to watch the next video.
I don't know. It's okay, but it's not the same.
ian crossland
It's not the same. Vertical videos are catching fire right now.
tim pool
Well, one of the crazy things is...
A lot of people are heavily prioritizing shorts over their previous content, and YouTube is too, and it's going to burn down the industry.
unidentified
Interesting. I was thinking about that in the car yesterday, driving.
avi yemini
There's a period Instagram was doing that, where it was just giving you heaps of followers, subscribers.
Really? Just by the reels.
But then, all of a sudden, it stopped.
tim pool
I think the...
The way things are going now with hypersaturation and the death of the corporate press, it's going to get weird.
Because, as I mentioned, there's already these fake...
You mentioned it, like Tim and David Pakman.
It's like a super old video.
It's like, what? We're talking to David Pakman about coming on the show.
I've criticized him, but I don't think there's anything harsh about him in the past.
avi yemini
And then add that AI videos on top of all that.
It is going to get super weird.
ian crossland
It's already getting weird. Having like an AI dream.
tim pool
Like you don't know what you can believe. Dude, the crazy thing too is that people make fake debates.
Like, this is crazy!
I've never seen this stuff before because I don't largely pay attention to the default homepage.
I follow who I follow.
I watch the videos that I watch.
And then I go here and I'm like, I never said that.
And it's like Tim Pool debating some guy and it's like not my argument at all.
It's edited to make a different argument.
Oh, that's cheap. But there's tons of it.
ian crossland
It's crazy. I mean, Pink Trip's doing it, but he's overtly doing it.
tim pool
Jokes are fine. I'm just saying, but it's not even about me.
I'm just saying about me because, you know, I was looking at it.
But I'm seeing other people, too, and it's just like there's a video of, you know, someone, you know, what was I looking at?
It's like Destiny insults Cenk Uygur, and it's like crazy.
And then it's just like two completely unrated clips made to look like they're talking to each other.
Yes. And people are in the comments being like, I can't believe he would say that.
And I'm like, guys, that jank is like 100 pounds lighter, dude.
That's not what he looks like.
But they don't know that.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah, if it was not monetizable.
tim pool
That's why live is everything.
unidentified
You don't think they're going to be able to do this live?
tim pool
I'm saying right now.
Live is safe.
But that's what I was complaining about earlier.
What they did was, when I had that conversation with Laura Loomer...
The conversation we had was, yes, the law does say that if you commit treason, you get the death penalty.
So I agree with what Laura Loomer is saying, that if someone commits treason, they should get the death penalty.
That's not me saying I agree with the death penalty.
That's not me saying I think there should be a death penalty.
I'm agreeing with her that right now in the United States, as the law functions, this is what happens.
They took that snip out of the whole thing and turned it into a, here's the simple support of the death penalty, despite hours and hours of me debating against the death penalty, wanting it to be abolished, whatever, moratorium and all that stuff, because it's all fake.
Whatever serves their narrative.
avi yemini
It's more annoying when it's something like that.
There's so many dumb shit I've said in my life that you could actually use.
And probably if I look back at it now, I cringe over the fact that I said that.
But when they take something, I was telling you before when you told me that, it's like there's one video of me back, you know, in 2016 or 17, standing in front of a crowd, and I'm wearing a kipper in my head because that's what I used to do.
My original videos, I always wore a kipper, not because I was practicing, but it was to make the point because every time I went to a protest and it was Antifa, they would call me a Nazi, and they would scream Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, and it was the best, you know, visual, having like this little mini Jew being called, like clearly a Jew, being called Screamed out as a Nazi.
And then I went to this protest and I'm standing on the stage and I'm like, I look at the crowd and I go, forget about what they call you.
I am the world's proudest Jewish Nazi.
And I'm pointing to my kippah, showing like I'm being, you know, and behind us is Antifa.
I'm making fun of them.
And they just cut that little bit.
And literally, it's not only like, it's not only YouTubers or whatever that were using it.
It was... It's like this thing that's repeated whenever a left-wing mainstream media outlet in Australia writes about me.
They'll write, Avi who once proclaimed himself as the world's proudest Jewish Nazi without any of the context that I was joking or being sarcastic.
tim pool
This is crazy. The left has created a false reality, and we know this, right?
Because we break through it every day. But there's also points in which we don't realize.
Before I had met Ben Shapiro, I thought he was short.
avi yemini
Is he not short? He's not short.
tim pool
Bullshit. I think he's like 5'8".
No, he's like 5'8", 5'9".
I think he's 5'8".
So it's like, what's average?
5'9"? Something like that?
So it's like, when I first met him, I'm like, a little bit shorter than him.
I'm 5'10", 5'11"-ish, maybe 5'10".
Ben Shapiro's a little bit shorter than me, but like, he's not short.
And that's something that everybody believed.
Everybody was saying Ben was short.
Then I meet him, I'm like, oh, he's like, average height.
Everyone claims that I'm short too.
ian crossland
It's because your voice is in a higher register.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think that's because of our camera angles.
Because when we do a live thing, I'm definitely, I'm tall for women.
And I had so many people walk up to me and be like, I didn't realize how tall you were.
No one has ever assumed I was short.
tim pool
Well, because the way the tables are set up, we can't put the cameras, we could put them down lower if we put them in between the chairs.
avi yemini
What's short then? I'm definitely short.
tim pool
5'6"? 5'6"?
ian crossland
When short starts?
tim pool
I don't know. 5'5"?
ian crossland
5'5", I would consider short.
avi yemini
I don't even know what I am.
tim pool
I guess it depends. I think if you're like, Five, seven, eight, nine.
You're below average, but I wouldn't call that short.
I guess maybe women, Mike, because they want six-foot guys.
phil labonte
Well, like, five-five is the average woman height, so if a man is five-five, that's probably short.
I'm five-six, so I'm short, you know.
But, like, tall, it starts at, like, six foot, you know?
avi yemini
Tall is like everyone else.
unidentified
Me. Well, how tall are you?
Short. You guys are about the same height.
avi yemini
It's short because the rest of the world is...
tim pool
I thought you were like 6'3".
avi yemini
Yeah, I thought you were super tall. Yeah, because everyone thinks I'm big on my videos.
phil labonte
You're tall in China. A lot of people think that I'm tall because they only see me on stage or whatever.
avi yemini
I wish I had a stage to walk around with.
tim pool
No, no, no. Let's remount the cameras lower than the table so everyone's looking up at us.
ian crossland
I thought when you were talking about your clips getting taken out of context that we could build an artificial intelligence that can recontextualize video.
If you feed a clip in, it can crawl the net and grab the original piece and feed you the rest of it.
avi yemini
Surely that's going to be the counter to all this.
Surely there is going to be tools soon that help us solve the problem of AI. It's pretty wild.
Whether it's completely fake or things taken out of content.
ian crossland
And if it's completely fake, it's like we cannot find the original video.
avi yemini
Well, it should just be able to pick up.
This is fake. But you can't leave it to meta because everything's fake unless it suits their narrative.
ian crossland
It can't be a private corporation.
It can't be a software code license or something.
tim pool
This is another funny thing.
Don't make jokes on the internet. You can never tell the truth, blah, blah, blah.
There's a picture of me with Elijah Schaefer, and he's like 6-something.
I don't know. He's like 6'3 or something.
avi yemini
He's pretty tall. He's tall.
tim pool
And so I'm just going to say it because I didn't – I wasn't going to say it because I don't want to insult Dave Portnoy, but there are photos of Dave Portnoy with his arm around people, and he's standing on his tippy toes because he's short.
And so when Elijah asked to get a picture with me, I said, you're going to make me look like I'm super short.
I got to do what Portnoy does.
And they took the picture and posted it.
And then everyone started acting like I was literally doing it unironically.
And I was like, why did you post that?
I'm not trying to insult Dave.
Now I got to say it.
And I feel like I'm being addicted to Dave Portnoy.
He's all right. I'm not trying to be mean to him.
ian crossland
I love Dave. Let's get him on the show.
avi yemini
I sometimes stand on a chair when tall people come and take a photo with me.
I literally pull up a chair and I stand next to him.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't have an apple crate?
Didn't Tom Hanks do that in the original Top Gun?
There was the romance scene and they had him actually standing on it.
phil labonte
They do that kind of stuff all the time. And I love it.
avi yemini
Haters always bag out my heart.
I'm like, I've been doing that my entire life.
You've got to find new shit.
tim pool
So then when I posted this video, everyone went, oh, holy crap, Tim's actually pretty tall because I'm taller than everybody.
I had to switch hard flow, by the way. And they were like, wait, Tim's actually taller than everybody.
And he can skate. Yeah, they got really mad about this one because this one got a ton of views.
ian crossland
Muscular that guy is. Well, sure.
tim pool
But my point is, this is what I look like when you're not having the camera pointed down at me.
phil labonte
Sometimes people will, like, they'll come up and they'll be like, you know, they want to get a picture or whatever.
Or, like, when they come to meet and greets, they want to do the picture.
And sometimes they'll, like, kind of lean down next to me and, like, stand up.
Is that the etiquette? No, that's not the etiquette.
ian crossland
I mean, it's to stand normal.
avi yemini
Yeah. Yeah, we have to stand normal.
phil labonte
And the reason you should stand normal is because I don't need you to, like, come down to my level.
I'm completely fine with, like, myself.
ian crossland
Shout out to Ian Carroll, who's like a giant.
unidentified
I didn't know that dude. There's so many of these personalities.
tim pool
Jordan Peterson is eight feet tall.
Matt Walsh is eight feet tall.
Charlie Kirk and Vosch are both eight feet tall.
So they come on the show and I'm like, let's get a picture.
And I'm like, come on, guys. Yeah.
Let me get some pictures with you guys while we're here.
Make it look big. All right, everybody, we're going to wrap things up.
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avi yemini
Avi, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, we'd love to.
RVacrossamerica.com. Follow, join me for the next month.
Or join me on X. Right on.
Appreciate having... Thanks for having me on, mate.
phil labonte
It's been a blast. I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains, and you can find us on YouTube and Instagram and probably on Facebook.
We have three new videos out, one for a song called Divine, one for a song called Let You Go, and one for a song called No Tomorrow.
Go check those out. And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
ian crossland
Ian. Ian Crossland and Avi, so good to meet you, man.
I've been following your work for about four years, so...
It's great to see you in person, dude.
avi yemini
Appreciate it. I hope I didn't let you down.
ian crossland
Oh, it's fantastic, brother.
And people are going to follow you on Twitter.
It's at Azrael Avi.
It's O-Z-R-A-E-L-I. What does that mean?
avi yemini
Do you know what that means? Azraeli Avi?
ian crossland
No. Is it like Israeli?
avi yemini
Australian, Israeli. Oh, nice.
Very controversial these days.
ian crossland
Azraeli Avi. I like it.
Well, I'm at Ian Crossland. Follow me.
Follow me this weekend. I'll be going live tomorrow in the afternoon, most likely going to be streaming games and playing music.
And that'll be on my YouTube channel and on Twitch at Ian Crossland.
hannah claire brimelow
I'll see you there. It's been so fun having you here.
I hope people check out your interview on Sunday with what's going on in the Tenderling District in San Francisco because that place is crazy.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow. I am on this show Most Nights of the Week.
You can follow me on Instagram at HannahClaire.b and on Twitter at HannahClaireB.
Thanks for everything you guys do.
Anyone dealing with the hurricane stuff, we're still thinking about you.
tim pool
Have a good night. We will see you all this weekend with Clips.
We're going to have shorts up and all that fun stuff.
We're back Monday. But we're going to see you all on Sunday in Newtown, PA. If you're going to be there, we hope to see you.
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