Oct. 1, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| Today is apocalyptic for Democrats. | ||
| I mean, you had the dock workers starting their strike in the early hours of the morning. | ||
| We are looking at a potential crippling of imports across the East Coast. | ||
| Prices are going to go up and people are going to feel it. | ||
| So I'm seeing a lot of people say, stock up now, get your gas now. | ||
| This is big. | ||
| But we also have Iran launching nearly 200 missiles at Israel and actually landing several of them. | ||
| I don't believe anybody got hurt, but this is also massive. | ||
| I'm seeing people on X saying, this is it, the breaking point. | ||
| I am done. | ||
| Look, I know a lot of people online, they're always yelling about Israel, but Israel polls really well in the United States. | ||
| And there are a lot of people that support Israel that have watched a missile strike. | ||
| Not even about that. | ||
| Even the anti-war libertarians are watching the escalation, the invasion of Lebanon and our Iranian missile strike on Israel. | ||
| Fear of Israeli retaliation. | ||
| War is getting out of hand and people are freaking out. | ||
| And of all nights, This night, when J.D. | ||
| Vance will be debating Tim Walz, Tim Walz is going to be standing there as J.D. | ||
| Vance says, you are running alongside the sitting VP, and they have presided over this disaster in the Middle East. | ||
| The conflict, the unions on strike, the economic turmoil, that is who you are partnered with. | ||
| It's gonna be massive. | ||
| So my friends, we're gonna get started with the news. | ||
| Then around 9, when the debate starts, we will kick that debate on, provide our commentary and criticism and corrections. | ||
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| We got a great panel tonight. | ||
| Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Marc Ivano. | ||
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Thank you, Tim. | |
| Pleasure to be here. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
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So, I'm Mark Cavagna, Executive Director of Republicans for National Renewal. | |
| It's a political non-profit organization dedicated to pushing the Republican Party away from the establishment, more towards the America First grassroots. | ||
| And so, you might be wondering, what does that mean? | ||
| Well, it means taking over the Republican Party from the grassroots level up, so the local, state, and federal level, so that when President Trump is back in office, he has that infrastructure within the party to effectuate his agenda, As opposed to not only dealing with the radical left, which we expect, of course, we have the socialists, communists, etc. | ||
| But what we saw President Trump during his first term deal with was people of his own party stabbing him in the back, even after giving very nice speeches saying, we love President Trump, we're going to support his agenda. | ||
| And then when it comes time to voting, they vote against him. | ||
| And so we want to change that. | ||
| We want to make it so that there's representatives in office who support the agenda, who can help him effectuate it. | ||
| And so that's our number one mission. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| We also got Ian Carroll hanging out. | ||
| Yo, thanks for having me back on, man. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I'm the TikTok researcher around here and I've been, I'm particularly excited for this debate because I've been doing a lot of digging into the CIA and the intelligence agency ties of that Kamala campaign. | ||
| And I, and obviously Wallace has a lot of weird dirt in his closet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I, and JD Vance, is a pretty sharp guy and a pretty sharp debater, and so I'm pretty excited to see how this might rewrite the debate narrative that we've had so far in this campaign. | ||
| We'll see what comes. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Should be fun. | ||
| Libby's hanging out. | ||
| I'm Libby Emmons. | ||
| I'm with the Postmillennial and Human Events. | ||
| Glad to be hanging out with you guys. | ||
| I'm glad you're all here. | ||
| It's a full room tonight. | ||
| We don't always have this many people, so it's great. | ||
| Great that we're here to watch the debate together. | ||
| I'm Hannah-Claire Bremlow. | ||
| You guys know me. | ||
| I'm on the show pretty regularly at this point. | ||
| Let's get started. | ||
| This is the big news. | ||
| We've got the Washington Post. | ||
| Iran launched nearly 200 missiles at Israel, U.S. | ||
| says. | ||
| And we've got video of this. | ||
| Let me see if this is the right one. | ||
| No, that's more fun political stuff. | ||
| This is much more serious stuff. | ||
| We're going to play this video for you guys now. | ||
| For those that are just listening, you can see a massive missile barrage. | ||
| And they're making contact. | ||
| It looks like many of the missiles that were fired, at least in this video, were intercepted by Israel's defense system. | ||
| We've got this video from the Washington Post. | ||
| I'll try and turn down the ambient noise so we can... I'll describe it for you guys. | ||
| A lot of these missiles actually landed, striking Israel. | ||
| So this is very serious. | ||
| It looks like... | ||
| They've actually made contact with more missiles than the last strike. | ||
| But we are literally watching now, as of today, the second massive launch from Iran into Israel. | ||
| Israel's invasion of Lebanon. | ||
| This dramatic escalation is absolutely insane. | ||
| Man, look at... Wow. | ||
| Is there a way to make this bigger? | ||
| Yo, this is wild. | ||
| You know, for those that are just listening and not watching the video, it is... | ||
| It's hard to describe. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| These missiles are colliding in air. | ||
| Some of them are making their way through. | ||
| I gotta tell you, right now, this is apocalyptic for the Democratic Party. | ||
| Harris and Biden are the current administration, and the Middle East is falling into abject chaos. | ||
| Ukraine invading Russia. | ||
| This is the closest we've been to World War III probably ever. | ||
| I mean, maybe you can say Cuban Missile Crisis or something like this, but now we get the threat of China and Taiwan, And of all nights for this to be going down, you got the dock workers that announced their strike today, and they're going to be debating. | ||
| J.D. | ||
| Vance and Tim Walz later on. | ||
| I don't know how commonly answers for this. | ||
| I mean, this is an apocalypse for them. | ||
| We've also got a gigantic failure of a hurricane response ongoing that Trump is absolutely nailing. | ||
| Like Trump is blowing them out of the proverbial water on that hurricane response. | ||
| And Harris responds to nothing, right? | ||
| She's never going to answer for any of this because she won't do any direct interviews. | ||
| She won't answer any direct questions. | ||
| She'll tell you she's from the middle class, but that's about it. | ||
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Yeah, but look, if you're China or Russia or any of our alleged enemies, this is your time to attack. | |
| I mean, the election is coming up. | ||
| President Trump's not in office yet. | ||
| Why not attack now? | ||
| This is your chance. | ||
| And to go after Trump, too. | ||
| It was shocking to see Kamala Harris yesterday. | ||
| She was sitting in a briefing room. | ||
| Was it yesterday? | ||
| Was it today? | ||
| I think it was yesterday. | ||
| She was sitting in a briefing room talking about the hurricane and stuff. | ||
| And she just looked so confused and lost. | ||
| And when reporters tried to ask questions, they just pushed the reporters out of the room. | ||
| They wouldn't let them get in there and say anything. | ||
| And she just looked so confused. | ||
| And it was a little bit terrifying to think that that's who could be heading the country. | ||
| If Tim Walz pulls out a good answer pertaining to this crisis at this debate, I will be surprised. | ||
| If he pulls out a good answer pertaining to just about anything, I would be surprised. | ||
| I wouldn't underestimate him. | ||
| Yeah, that was a mistake that was made in the last debate. | ||
| Kamala got under Trump's skin. | ||
| Yep, 100%. | ||
| And she still lost. | ||
| I'm sorry, look, I know people are going to be like, how could you say that? | ||
| Everyone agrees Kamala won. | ||
| No, she never articulated a position. | ||
| So the voters were like, we get it, Trump's a hothead, but what are you going to do for us? | ||
| And then Trump didn't articulate a position either, but he's still a billionaire businessman that people think is going to be better for the economy. | ||
| Kamala needed that opportunity to go after Trump and say, here's why my economic plan is better. | ||
| And all she did was insult Trump. | ||
| Well, liberals heard it as confirmation bias. | ||
| Like, I live around a lot of liberals and they all were like, oh my God, she annihilated him. | ||
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Sure. | |
| They're like, yeah, okay, okay. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| When you watch interviews with Biden or Kamala, it's a disaster, right? | ||
| No one wants to watch, but they go on to the debate stage and somehow they perform. | ||
| Well, they perform when they're allowed to lie with no fact-checking, and then their fact-checkers are helping play cover. | ||
| But listen, I understand that liberals are going to say, of course Kamala won, right? | ||
| Because they always will. | ||
| But when you look at the poll of moderates and independents, even CNN, they did a flash poll and found that there was a massive shift, double-digit shift, towards Trump in terms of the economy and immigration. | ||
| And those are the two biggest issues right now in this election. | ||
| So Kamala Harris, they can trust her. | ||
| She can look nice. | ||
| I tell you this, people vote with their wallets. | ||
| Yeah, she got absolutely no post-debate bounce for all of the winning that she supposedly did. | ||
| And while it looked like a win that night, you know, she did look better, she did perform pretty well, she was calm and cool, where Trump got a little pissed off, you could say. | ||
| By the next morning, everyone was like, wait a minute, she didn't win that debate. | ||
| Well, everyone knows that she's a fairly smooth-talking politician, even if she says just gibberish, right? | ||
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I don't think she is, though, in most interviews. | |
| She wears her suit, she wears her earrings, she stands for the photos. | ||
| Like, she can do that. | ||
| We all know that. | ||
| But her objective during that debate should have been to deliver specific information about her policies, because that's what voters kept saying over and over again in polls. | ||
| The reason we are not sure if we're going to vote for her is because we don't know what her values are. | ||
| We don't know what she's offering us. | ||
| And so, yes, maybe she got a couple of good moments where she riled Trump up. | ||
| If that's the win, then sure, she won. | ||
| But she missed the opportunity that her campaign actually needed. | ||
| And what I find fascinating about this debate is, whereas the last one sort of for a lot of people felt like it was three on one, it was the moderators and Kamala versus Trump. | ||
| Apparently, the moderators are not going to fact-check this time. | ||
| It's up to Vance and Walz to fact-check each other, which really becomes sort of this dominance race. | ||
| I mean, who can keep each other on message and hold their feet to the fire when it comes to certain questions that, you know, I think they'll avoid. | ||
| Also, who knows the most stuff? | ||
| Yeah, I think the reason for that is because actually a lot of the bad press that Kamala got was probably because so many people noticed that three-on-one. | ||
| I think people are far more likely to change their opinion based upon the corruption they're seeing than based upon like the actual words that were exchanged in a, you know, kind of debate. | ||
| Yeah, that was a big deal. | ||
| There were a lot of headlines that were like, three-on-one debate. | ||
| I think that's why this debate is different now, is because they realize how bad of a move that was. | ||
| What if the October surprise is... | ||
| Full-scale escalation to the Middle East. | ||
| I mean, we're deploying troops now. | ||
| More troops are being deployed, right? | ||
| So they sent a small contingent to evacuate U.S. | ||
| citizens. | ||
| Now you have the Tennessee National Guard. | ||
| They sent 700 out of 10,000. | ||
| So, October surprises here. | ||
| I don't know how, like, this is not going to benefit the Democrats in any kind of good way. | ||
| This is disastrous for them. | ||
| The war escalation that we're seeing. | ||
| I mean, look, Israel invading Lebanon was bad. | ||
| And we just sent another $8 billion to Ukraine the other day. | ||
| You know what I love? | ||
| Someone made a meme that's really funny. | ||
| And I saw liberals posting this too, so you know it's good. | ||
| And it was North Carolina, but it says Ukraine on it. | ||
| Then you would fund us. | ||
| It's right. | ||
| You always see these memes where it's like, we figured out a way to get the aid. | ||
| It just says Ukraine on North Carolina. | ||
| They changed their state flag to the Ukraine. | ||
| I think one of the interesting issues is that people say wartime presidents tend to keep their office. | ||
| Obviously, Biden's not going to keep his office, even if he sends his spirit animal Kamala Harris to the White House. | ||
| But I don't think escalation in the Middle East is good for Kamala Harris because she doesn't even look like she can handle an interview. | ||
| And remember when she brought her best friend Tim Walz with her, she needed extra help from the moderators during a debate? | ||
| No one wants to send her into a negotiating room amid, you know, potential nuclear war. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think anybody would want that. | ||
| But apparently she's been in there the whole time. | ||
| You had Karine Jean-Pierre from the White House today saying that Kamala Harris had been in the Situation Room or on a call to the Situation Room for every key foreign policy decision that the administration has made, which means a couple of things. | ||
| One, she's done a bad job this whole time, so why should we elect her again? | ||
| Two, her efforts to distance herself from the administration in which she serves are completely fake, just like the rest of her campaign. | ||
| Yeah, to the Israel point too, it's worth noting that people that are pro-Israel, this is a bad look for the Democrats. | ||
| And for the people that are anti-Israel, it's still a bad look for Democrats because everyone on every side knows that Trump would handle this better regardless of your stance on Israel. | ||
| Yeah, everyone hates this. | ||
| Look, there are a lot of people who hate Israel and it's crazy to me when I have these conversations You know, I was talking to a guy the other day and he said, you know, AIPAC is very powerful and they control, they have a lot of influence. | ||
| And I'm like, yes, but the only reason they do is because people in America tend to support Israel. | ||
| If you look at polls, people overwhelmingly say they support Israel. | ||
| Maybe they're not aware of the foreign policy implications or what that means, but they do. | ||
| And I'll give you an example. | ||
| There are a lot of PACs that spend a lot of money and have no Influence exerted. | ||
| AIPAC, certainly, you can criticize it, but people in this country support Israel. | ||
| And by all means, you're allowed to criticize Israel. | ||
| By all means, you don't have to support them. | ||
| I'm saying that. | ||
| I'm just saying the polls show this. | ||
| So when bombs are landing in Israel and striking Tel Aviv, you're going to start seeing moderates be like, Kamala Harris has no strength to defend our allies. | ||
| Donald Trump has to get in and get in and shut this down. | ||
| Can I clarify what you mean? | ||
| I think what you're saying there is that Israel is spending, or AIPAC rather, is spending money to elect these candidates, but they wouldn't get elected if people weren't voting for them. | ||
| And so it's like, yeah, they're spending money, but a lot of AIPACs spend money, and their success rate is not necessarily... Am I representing what you're saying there correctly? | ||
| For the most part, what I mean is, like, you know, what was it, Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman, they were ousted, and AIPAC spent tons of money to get them ousted. | ||
| But these commercials are only effective if people are going to be supporting those ideas in the first place. | ||
| Basically, I mean like... | ||
| That's true. | ||
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I think to an extent. | |
| I mean, if you're spending $60 million to $7 million, maybe you have a huge advantage in your pocket. | ||
| I don't see the Communist Party PACs succeeding in their massive ad spends or the Nazi Party. | ||
| Do they really spend anywhere near as much as APAC? | ||
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I actually don't know. | |
| We know of the PACs that succeed. | ||
| We don't know of the ones that don't. | ||
| And there are a lot of PACs you've never heard of that have spent a ridiculous amount of money. | ||
| Well, I mean, come on, you know, certainly APAC is an exorbitant spender and influencer. | ||
| My point is, look, criticize Israel, then look at the polls of what Americans think. | ||
| It is true, Americans tend to support Israel. | ||
| And I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying that's what American people think. | ||
| I mean, I would argue that that has a lot to do with the propaganda in America, just in terms of how we are educated about the conflict, but I don't think it really matters whether you support Israel or not in terms of what's happening right now. | ||
| I think that everyone agrees, like, I think the people that are In favor of a Palestinian state and hate Israel. | ||
| Like a lot of my ex-followers are like that. | ||
| And I think they all agree too, that they would rather see Trump dealing with this problem than Kamala. | ||
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And even if you support Israel, it doesn't mean you want Israel to go to war with Lebanon or Iran. | |
| You might say like, we want peace, but we still support Israel, right? | ||
| My point is, when the anti-Israel protests kicked up, you started seeing a bunch of liberal billionaires—not a bunch of, but a couple of them—as well as news personalities be like, that's it, I'm voting for Trump. | ||
| Like Bill Ackman. | ||
| Bill Ackman was a great example. | ||
| But I just saw a post on X Today from some personality who said, that's it, this is the final straw, it's gotta be Trump. | ||
| And the sentiment is basically like, we do not believe that that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris or Kamala Harris administration is going to stop the conflict. | ||
| I mean, even, you know, Clint Russell made a post where he said, if J.D. | ||
| Vance could, he said he could lose this, lose the election for Trump tonight if he does not handle this well. | ||
| My attitude is he needs to blame, he needs to shift the blame to the Biden-Harris administration for their failed leadership in this region, in Europe, in Southeast Asia. | ||
| If he comes out on stage and says, it's your fault. | ||
| Well, that's not too hard to do because it is primarily their fault. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Send it home. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that's pretty clear to the American people, too. | ||
| It's pretty obvious. | ||
| You know, like when Trump was in office, we had four years of peace. | ||
| There were little things here and there, but now we've got serious problems and serious threats to our own sovereignty in terms of domestic policy and threats to our sovereignty from foreign policy. | ||
| That's a disaster. | ||
| We got this story from Post Millennial. | ||
| Trump slams Biden and Kamala says, quote, we have no leadership as Iran attacks Israel. | ||
| Trump has issued a statement saying the world's on fire and spiraling out of control. | ||
| We have no leadership, no one running the country. | ||
| We have a nonexistent president in Joe Biden and a completely absent vice president, Kamala Harris, who is too busy fundraising in San Francisco, a city which she and Gavin Newscombe totally destroyed. | ||
| He says Newscombe. | ||
| He spelled it out. | ||
| And staging fake photo ops. | ||
| No one is in charge and it's not even clear who is more confused, Biden or Kamala. | ||
| Neither has any idea what is even going on. | ||
| When I was president, Iran was in total check. | ||
| They were starved for cash, fully contained, and desperate to make a deal. | ||
| Kamala flooded them with American cash and ever since they've been exporting terror all over and unraveling the Middle East. | ||
| Under President Trump, we had no war in the Middle East, no war in Europe, harmony in Asia, no inflation, no Afghanistan catastrophe. | ||
| Instead, we had peace. | ||
| Now, war or the threat of war is raging everywhere, and the two incompetents running the country are leading us to the brink of World War III. | ||
| You wouldn't trust Joe or Kamala to run a lemonade stand, let alone the free world. | ||
| He goes on to say, let me pull it up so I can get to the bottom, actually. | ||
| It's no surprise that Iran desperately wants Kamala Harris to be president, because they know as long as she is in power, they can take advantage of America. | ||
| That is why they have tried to target me. | ||
| If I was in charge, October 7th never happens. | ||
| Russia-Ukraine never happens. | ||
| Afghanistan botched withdrawal never happens. | ||
| And inflation never happens. | ||
| If I win, we will have peace in the world again. | ||
| If Kamala gets four more years, the world goes up in smoke. | ||
| I genuinely believe that if Trump was president right now, these conflicts would not be happening. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's true. | ||
| We had the Abraham Accords, which prevented a lot of conflicts from happening in the Middle East. | ||
| That was a huge deal. | ||
| We had basically a detente between Ukraine and Russia. | ||
| That was a big deal. | ||
| Nothing crazy was happening in China. | ||
| When you have Trump, and I know that I've said this before, but like, Trump is that crazy man on the corner with a knife. | ||
| You just want to cross the street and not make eye contact. | ||
| You're going to stay away from that guy. | ||
| You don't know what he's going to do. | ||
| And I love that about Trump. | ||
| I love how unpredictable he is in terms of like, he might nuke you. | ||
| There's no reason to think that he's ever bluffing when he says that stuff. | ||
| I mean, Obama was so like, you'd never believe Obama would do anything, you know, publicly anyway, anything bad to anyone for any reason. | ||
| Like, he would tell you straight out, he would go into negotiations having already capitulated half the deal, and then he has to give up more. | ||
| And Trump is like, no, no. | ||
| No, you're going to wait in Mexico, you're going to pay for the wall, like the whole thing. | ||
| And then the media is like, he's making all these crazy things and he's so egomaniac or whatever else. | ||
| But he was the most productive. | ||
| I mean, I think there is a reason people know he is a better negotiator on the world stage than Biden or Obama or potentially Kamala Harris. | ||
| Well, she's terrible. | ||
| I mean, she's had three and a half years. | ||
| She's made a whole mess. | ||
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Obama would say, here's the red line and there'd be a cross to say, here's the new red line. | |
| You can't cross this one. | ||
| It'll be crossed. | ||
| They say, here's the new. | ||
| Just keep doing that. | ||
| How many do you get? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Biden and Kamala, it's more like, hey, don't do that. | ||
| You shouldn't do that. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| And then they would overreact and lead us into World War III, which is the big threat. | ||
| And that's what we're concerned about. | ||
| Well, and you had the thing, too, at the RNC where Kellyanne Conway came out and said, you know, a lot of people don't like Trump's personality, but you're not going to get those policies without that personality. | ||
| And I think that's 100 percent right, you know? | ||
| I think Trump is the first president that we've had that has not been controlled by, like, all the presidents in my lifetime. | ||
| That's why everyone hates him. | ||
| It's always been a uniparty where both sides have been paid by all the donor class. | ||
| And it's not actually like, for example, Trump was running against Jeb Bush. | ||
| The Republican Party didn't want Trump to win. | ||
| He took over their party. | ||
| And he's the first one that I've ever seen in my lifetime that was not already towing the party line that was designed by the donor class and all the billionaires. | ||
| He said to Jeb Bush, your brother lied to us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that was straight up. | ||
| And that was the truth. | ||
| He did lie. | ||
| And he comes from that power world. | ||
| He understands it. | ||
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Nikki Haley was so close. | |
| Nikki Haley is the Uniparty choice, and the Uniparty is also backing Kamala Harris. | ||
| Every time she says that Republicans are backing her, it's Uniparty Republicans, you know, who make you think of that old Simpsons thing. | ||
| What is it like twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom? | ||
| Kang and Kang. | ||
| That Uniparty is the war machine. | ||
| It is the CIA. | ||
| It's never a Republican that Republicans who are at all affiliated with Trump or America First Movement are like, oh man, he endorsed Kamala Harris. | ||
| I'm really rethinking my positions in life. | ||
| It's always someone from the very deep establishment, this really old guard that I think a lot of younger voters want to see gone, like younger conservatives in America. | ||
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Grassroots in general. | |
| Are aware of this division in the party and they know who they want even if you know Trump only serves Because he can only serve four more years. | ||
| They will continue with this direction of the party There's no turning it back to the way it was if you're actually honoring what the what the populist movement wants Indeed. | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| So we're all strong Kamala supporters. | ||
| We think she's going to do great. | ||
| Yeah, Kamala 2024, Kamala 2028. | ||
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I love her policies, whatever they are. | |
| Does she have them on her website yet? | ||
| I don't know what they are, but they do. | ||
| They finally got them. | ||
| They're copied from the Biden administration. | ||
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She copies Trump a lot, too. | |
| Some are copied from Trump. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Some are Trump policies. | ||
| Some are Trump's greatest hits. | ||
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She's a great chameleon. | |
| Well, you take a look at what's going on with Trump's statement, basically saying, with the Iran tax in Israel, but what are we looking at? | ||
| We're looking at, as you mentioned, the hurricane. | ||
| We're looking at the dock strikes. | ||
| We're looking at the cost of food going way up. | ||
| And they just keep lying to us about everything. | ||
| The National Crime Victimization Survey came out and said that crime is way up. | ||
| Way, way, way up. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, a lot of the FBI numbers are based on self-reporting. | ||
| And police agencies aren't reporting anymore. | ||
| So then what happens is Democrats come out and they're like, crime's down. | ||
| And then we're like, okay, let's ask people. | ||
| And they're like, oh, I've been victimized like crazy. | ||
| And you're like, okay, crime's up. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Or just walk into a store and look at the lotion locked up. | ||
| It's like what they're doing with the economy, right? | ||
| They're like, actually, the economy is great. | ||
| And people just think it's bad. | ||
| So what does that mean? | ||
| That was like Don Lemon down in Atlantic City, right? | ||
| And he was like, you just think it's bad, but it's not. | ||
| Yeah, like you said. | ||
| And then you had Byron Dan Donalds today on Charlemagne the God, that show. | ||
| And there was this great clip that was going around that Byron Donalds was talking about how Kamala Harris is responsible for the inflation. | ||
| And someone's like, no, she isn't. | ||
| And he's like, yes, she signed this act. | ||
| I said in committee that this act would jack up inflation. | ||
| And now it has. | ||
| How can you tell me she's not responsible for that? | ||
| She did both time tiebreaking votes on the votes at the American Rescue Act, the American Rescue Plan, and the Inflation Reduction Act, which was in late July. | ||
| Let's play the clip. | ||
| Oh, it's a great clip. | ||
| You're not really thriving right now. | ||
| This inflation, which by the way was brought to us by Kamala Harris, has really slowed down people from being able to excel. | ||
| By Kamala? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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The Vice President. | |
| Oh, Charlamagne. | ||
| He's still the President. | ||
| Charlamagne, listen man. | ||
| When Joe Biden wanted to do his American Rescue Plan, Kamala Harris was the tie-breaking vote in the United States Senate. | ||
| She broke the tie that started this inflation that has hurt so many people in our country. | ||
| Everybody listening to your show. | ||
| It's not true? | ||
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First of all, it's true that it's a tie-breaking vote. | |
| You sure you want to go there? | ||
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You sure you want to go there? | |
| OK, let's go there. | ||
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You got notes? | |
| Show the votes. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I have notes. | ||
| I'm going to give it to Charlamagne. | ||
| I'm going to give it to Charlamagne. | ||
| I don't even want to hold it. | ||
| I don't even want to hold it. | ||
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Angela, hold on now. | |
| For every infrastructure project in your community, you should go out and thank Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and the Congress that voted for the American Rescue Plan. | ||
| That's what should be happening. | ||
| Larry Summers wrote an op-ed back in 2021. | ||
| Larry Summers was the Treasury Secretary for Bill Clinton. | ||
| He was an economic advisor to Barack Obama. | ||
| He said that the American Rescue Plan that Joe Biden wanted, that Kamala Harris was the tiebreaker vote in the United States Senate, would create a massive inflation that we have not seen in a generation. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| Larry Summers was correct. | ||
| You know who also was correct, Angela? | ||
| I was. | ||
| Because I was in the Budget Committee when they brought the bill. | ||
| And I said in that committee it's going to cause massive inflation. | ||
| That's what happened. | ||
| So the problem we have in our economy today is that prices have gone up massively, wages adjusted for inflation is down, people's pocketbooks are hurting, Yo, Byron Donalds is based. | ||
| You know his staffers were like, yes! | ||
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Love Byron Donalds. | |
| He's got the paper, he pulls it out of his jacket, and he's like, here we go. | ||
| Here, I'm gonna give it to Charlamagne. | ||
| I don't even want to hold it. | ||
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Endorsed by Republicans for National Renewal, by the way. | |
| Do you remember when Trump did that during the town hall? | ||
| She kept interrupting him. | ||
| She's like, okay, I'll bring up my notes for the tweets that got removed by Twitter. | ||
| It was so funny. | ||
| But I mean, it is interesting because this person is saying like, well, any infrastructure project, you have to thank this thing, which is a Democrat talking point. | ||
| But he is actually going back and saying, here is a Democrat who advised other Democrats who said this was a bad idea. | ||
| And what is the response to that? | ||
| You know, let me just say, when I see this, there's a comment right here. | ||
| It says the entire comment section on the episode is filled with black people calling out the host's dishonesty and supporting Donald's. | ||
| Guys like Byron are breaking the chokehold Democrats have had on black media. | ||
| Credit to Leonard McKelvey, Jess Moore, and Rashaun Casey for inviting different minded thinkers to their show. | ||
| I respect that too, tremendously, for bringing on Byron. | ||
| But you know what I see when I see this? | ||
| With Byron, he's a Republican. | ||
| Just this past weekend we were at the Rescue the Republic event. | ||
| I'm standing in the tent and I see some liberals come in, I see some conservatives come in, Brandon Strzok is there, and I'm like, You got liberals in here with conservatives and they're all laughing together and shaking hands? | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| There's a large portion of this country that is totally just brainwashed. | ||
| But I think with RFK Jr., with Tulsi Gabbard, with many of these moderates talking to these Democrats, there is a unity party forming. | ||
| And man, I just got to say, we went to that event where we had Jordan Peterson, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, and Russell Brand. | ||
| And I'm just in there thinking, Donald Trump's administration, surrounded by these people, that's going to be one heck of an administration. | ||
| So I feel good, man. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, and it's people who are coming together based on shared values, not based on shared party and political affiliation. | ||
| So all of those people, what they're beholden to, what Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., and Trump What they're beholden to are the American people who value their rights above everything else, and that's what they're going to bring to the White House. | ||
| And that's I think why people would vote for them, you know? | ||
| It's worth mentioning too that when you have all those different people in those rooms, what I noticed first and foremost was that people didn't agree on everything at all, but it was fun to be around. | ||
| Because suddenly we got back to that America where people are having conversations about what they think, and it's not about, I hate you. | ||
| or it's emotional and it's like vitriolic. It was like spirited and fun and respectful and like it people got over this like divisiveness that is in the media today. | ||
| Just some of it might be that there's a shared vision for the United States. | ||
| Exactly. Look at this photo. | ||
| Yeah. Hope. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| That was such a great moment. | ||
| But look at this. | ||
| Trump is reaching out to RFK Jr. | ||
| Yeah, very well said. | ||
| You can see that? | ||
| RFK Jr. | ||
| is standing there, he's standing firm, and Trump is smiling and reaching out to him. | ||
| And I remember when I saw this, it's like the withered husk of, you know, lost hope in my chest started to pulse back into existence, like it had been nurtured a little bit. | ||
| Yo, and with Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. | ||
| standing with Trump, Trump brings them in. | ||
| My entire life, this has always been like, it's not possible, this could never happen, and now it's staring us in the face. | ||
| I'm feeling like Trump's gonna win. | ||
| And when you look at Kamala going down to the border, the panic, when you look at the catastrophes we're dealing with now and the sentiment people have over the war, the conflict, the economy, Byron Donald's going on Breakfast Club. | ||
| Now, I am concerned about shadow campaigns, that's what they call it, but I believe on the merits this unity party is winning. | ||
| We just have to make sure that procedurally we carry the weight as well so they don't play any funny games. | ||
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Yeah, I think if it's a fair and free election then of course they're going to win. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| The sentiment of, you know, the people uniting, even though they may have their differences, They work together and they kind of agree on a lot of the base issues. | ||
| It's not just a Western thing, an American thing. | ||
| I've been across in Europe, across the pond in Europe, and you have Swedes being told that the Swedish have no culture, which is insane for us to think of, but they're being told the similar things that we're being told. | ||
| Americans have no culture, just give it up, you know, accept mass migration. | ||
| And so it's kind of this whole battle of the people versus the establishment all across the world. | ||
| And people have told me in Europe, members of the European Parliament, or members of Parliament in their respective countries, saying we need Trump to win. | ||
| If he doesn't win, then we're screwed because the establishment is going to take over here. | ||
| It's the same story. | ||
| It's the same story. | ||
| You see Zelensky's face when he was standing with Trump? | ||
| His face was stone. | ||
| He looked like he's thinking, like, I am so screwed. | ||
| It's so different than when he stands up to Biden and looks like the Cheshire Cat, right? | ||
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And then he's next to Trump like, oh no. | |
| Because you don't have anything on Trump. | ||
| Like Trump doesn't care what you have on him. | ||
| He'll be like, what? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You want to get in line and sue me like the federal government? | ||
| Like, by all means, have fun with yourself. | ||
| Speaking of people versus establishment, though, before we move off of this photo, it's important to point out that the fact that Tulsi and RFK are currently already selecting people for the Trump cabinet and all the different parts of that administration | ||
| They're not, they can't really talk about it too much and we don't have like any certain confirmation but I was specifically mingling within his campaign at that event and trying to ask and ask and ask about that because like you know politically they can't quite come out and I was like you should come out and tell us all about it because most people that are intelligent and want to support Trump look at his last presidency and say yeah but you kind of got handled bro and that's one of the biggest concerns about him and he's actively doing something really meaningful about it. | ||
| This is what I was saying to Ian when he was here and he was like, after the first debate, after THE debate with Trump and Kamala, he's like, all Trump did was yell and complain and defend himself and his ego and all Kamala did was insult him, these people are terrible. | ||
| And I just said, would you support RFK Jr.? | ||
| Ian says yes. | ||
| And I said, RFK Jr. | ||
| says if Trump wins, he wins. | ||
| And Ian was like, I know. | ||
| And then I told him, and I say this to all of you guys and everybody else, tell your friends and family, look, maybe you don't like Trump. | ||
| I respect it. | ||
| You don't gotta like the guy, but you can get Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. | ||
| in there too. | ||
| And so maybe Trump's not your person, but he's got good people by him right now. | ||
| We couldn't ask for more. | ||
| The only thing I could ask for is if Ron and Rand Paul joined his administration. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Elon Musk. | |
| Maybe Bobby will appoint them. | ||
| Oh yeah, Elon Musk too. | ||
| Elon Musk is coming on, but Rand Paul still hasn't endorsed. | ||
| I was talking to the Libertarian Party members when we were at their convention and I said, what would it take for you guys to say you're voting for Trump? | ||
| And they were like, If Trump makes Rand Paul his VP pick, every Libertarian votes for him. | ||
| Just the whole Libertarian party just votes for Trump at that point. | ||
| Well, that would be the highest office attained by a Libertarian, right? | ||
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For sure. | |
| I mean, he's a Republican, but he's a Libertarian. | ||
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A lot of Trump supporters like Rand Paul. | |
| It's not a big deal. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah, we love Rand Paul. | ||
| So I think he's definitely—you could make this better, bring Rand Paul in. | ||
| Tulsi Gabbard, Rand Paul, Elon Musk, RFK Jr. | ||
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Man, talk about the Avengers of politics. | |
| That's an administration. | ||
| It really does feel that way. | ||
| Do you think Elon Musk will actually be in the administration, though, or is he going to be like an advisor? | ||
| He's going to be dope. | ||
| I swear that Trump had said in an interview, like, Elon Musk has a lot going on. | ||
| It's hard for me to think of Elon Musk being in the administration, also running SpaceX, also like Tesla and X and all this stuff. | ||
| And also producing like four kids a year. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, on average, if not more. | ||
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As an advisor, he's one of the biggest companies in the world. | |
| He's involved in energy, so I'm sure Trump would want his opinion when it comes to energy production. | ||
| That's why it's hard for me seeing him. | ||
| It's not like I really don't think he would be a cabinet member, but I think he and Trump obviously have a strong relationship and he will probably be involved or influential in some capacity. | ||
| Because you're involved with the grassroots movement, I wanted to ask how you felt How do debates like this impact down-ticket conversations as we get closer to the election? | ||
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I mean, I think I've talked to a lot of the local party folks. | |
| They're not very excited for this debate. | ||
| I mean, I think it's kind of a waste of time, in a sense, in that it's really about Trump and Kamala, of course. | ||
| But obviously, after hearing the recent news with Walls having panic attacks and being nervous about this, that's kind of a red pill, I think, or a white pill. | ||
| I think that actually does excite people, and we want to see what happens with it. | ||
| I think if Walls really bombs this debate, maybe that could actually give a good boost to the American First folks. | ||
| So, in that sense, I think they're excited. | ||
| But otherwise, it wasn't really that exciting of an event. | ||
| People were saying, I don't know if I even want to watch it. | ||
| Well, let's pull up this story that's from the New York Post. | ||
| I don't know how much this news will matter after we actually watch the debate, but it's going to be fun. | ||
| Before the debate, nervous waltz. | ||
| Vance, prep for VP debate as both camps pray for one thing, don't screw it up. | ||
| But as you were just pointing out... | ||
| Tim Walz is reportedly nervous. | ||
| Democrats are getting nervous, and they're trying to lower expectations as much as they can, because this is going to be bad for Tim Walz. | ||
| He was just so, you know, he lied about his rank. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| Yeah, big time. | ||
| Over and over and over again. | ||
| When he said he carried a weapon of war in war, he goes, sometimes my grammar isn't so good. | ||
| No, that's not a grammar thing. | ||
| But now we're finding out from a report from the Free Beacon. | ||
| We got this one. | ||
| Tim Waltz said he was in Hong Kong during Tiananmen Square Massacre. | ||
| He was at home in Nebraska. | ||
| He even lied about this. | ||
| Here's a photo in the newspaper from May. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| He claimed he was in Hong Kong and they were trying to figure out where they were going to go when Tiananmen Square was going down. | ||
| He wasn't even there! | ||
| Yeah, the report said that he didn't leave until August. | ||
| But he made sure to get married. | ||
| We all read the same report. | ||
| This report was fascinating to me this morning. | ||
| One of the other reporters grabbed it. | ||
| Like, CNN acknowledged this report. | ||
| I mean, no one is really talking about it, but this is another time that they're going to say, oh, well, he sort of misspoke, he misrepresented. | ||
| No, he is lying. | ||
| He is flat out lying. | ||
| And again, going back to this fact-checking moment or rule tonight, you know, J.D. | ||
| Vance has been the attack dog here with the stolen valor stuff. | ||
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J.D. | |
| Vance led that charge. | ||
| With a lot of this stuff, it's J.D. | ||
| Vance who is like, you must answer for the things that you have said. | ||
| And I think Americans like that. | ||
| I don't know how much of the debate needs to be spent on Tim Walz is a liar and we can prove it consistently, but it does seem like there is a reason for Walz to be nervous that J.D. | ||
| Vance does not have. | ||
| I mean a fair bit of it might be spent on asking Tim Walz about his 30 trips to China and about the incoming reports on that. | ||
| It's not 30. | ||
| He lied about that too. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It wasn't even 30? | ||
| They're saying now it was 15. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| I think they're lying about it being 15. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Well, so all of his lies are a line to benefit himself in his campaign. | ||
| And the scrutiny now over his connections to the Chinese Communist Party, 30 trips is suspicious. | ||
| So they're going, actually, it wasn't even 30, it was actually more like 15. | ||
| And it's like, was it really? | ||
| Or are you guys panicking? | ||
| Because we just had Hu Comer came out with this report saying they found internal documents that have communications about his connection. | ||
| So the DHS has have been communicating about his links to the CCP. | ||
| And they've subpoenaed that they want those answers. | ||
| Look, this guy's praised China over and over and over again. | ||
| Flew there, brought students there. | ||
| He got married or whatever. | ||
| He got married on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square. | ||
| Which is just weird. | ||
| And he pointed that out himself. | ||
| To do that on purpose is weird. | ||
| And he honeymooned in China afterwards. | ||
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Well, 15 or 30 times. | |
| What's the real difference? | ||
| And that was while he was in public office on a salary of his office at the time. | ||
| It's not like he's super wealthy, theoretically. | ||
| And where's that money coming from? | ||
| Who goes on vacation to China 15 times? | ||
| For personal reasons? | ||
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Right, but if you take money from the Turkish government, then you're prosecuted, as the New York mayor was. | |
| But if you go to China 15 or 30 times, then it's all good. | ||
| You just appreciate the culture. | ||
| It's just vacation. | ||
| Even if you're in power. | ||
| It is wild. | ||
| So this guy's nervous, and I'll tell you why. | ||
| Because these stories have come out, and all J.D. | ||
| Vance has to do is go, where were you in May 1989, Governor? | ||
| And he's going to be like, well, you know, I don't know why the question matters. | ||
| Like, tell us where you were, because I got the newspapers over here. | ||
| We can, I can point it out. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Because New York Times says you were in Hong Kong, but you know, it's a local Minnesota paper. | ||
| It's, what is it? | ||
| Minnesota Public Radio says that you were at home. | ||
| You were actually in Nebraska. | ||
| So which one's true? | ||
| Because we're trying to figure it out. | ||
| Vance is super sharp. | ||
| When he was picked, I was not stoked, honestly. | ||
| Like I didn't, I didn't, I was not very familiar with him at all when he was picked. | ||
| No one was. | ||
| Yeah, no one was stoked. | ||
| I totally disagree. | ||
| Okay, some people were stoked, but like he has shown up and he has thrown down. | ||
| Like even as an example, the way he talked about stolen valor, it's not like he's saying anything super revolutionary, but he's just the perfect guy to talk about it because he went and he served and when he talks about it, it's so articulate and so to the point. | ||
| And I think that having seen Trump and Biden sort of like Go at each other for the last, like, three years or whatever until Kamala took over. | ||
| People are ready for, like, a younger guy that's really coherent, that's really sharp and quick. | ||
| Because Trump is just a different type of rhetoric, and Vance brings this, like, very refreshing version of that Republican Party. | ||
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Well, Vance also, he's not just, like, some elitist, screw-up, or spoon-in-his-mouth. | |
| He came up from the bottom. | ||
| Yeah, he's two years in government at this point, right? | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| And that's the thing that most Americans are familiar with. | ||
| I mean, Hillbilly LG was not only best-selling, but then it became a movie. | ||
| I mean, people know his story. | ||
| Even if not every political journalist followed his career that intensely, the likelihood that average Americans are aware of him in that capacity is higher than, you know, any other politician in America who doesn't have this benefit. | ||
| And I think that's to his credit because I think he is more representational of the frustrations that Americans have with the government right now. | ||
| Like, they feel trapped in the position they're in and they want to be able to get out of it. | ||
| Yeah, it's worth noting too that Tim Walz has also been bragging about the number of illegal aliens in his state and the way he treats the immigration policies, and that is backfiring super hard right now. | ||
| And I think that it is going to backfire even harder as this hurricane relief plays out, because all of the relief money that is supposed to be saving Americans from this hurricane is being spent on all of these illegal aliens all across the country. | ||
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Wild. | |
| I saw a crazy thing that was talking about, um, that was talking about like, uh, backup electricity systems. | ||
| And it was saying that most of them were already sent to Ukraine and that's why we can't get them into. | ||
| And I didn't, I didn't have a chance to dig into that, but that wasn't something I saw in passing. | ||
| The FCC went after Starlink and ended up cutting a ton of their capabilities. | ||
| So. | ||
| And now Starlink, yeah, Elon Musk is giving Starlink for free in that whole area. | ||
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I think that the better attack on Tim Walz is Tampon Tim. | |
| I disagree. | ||
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Even the average liberal libtard who are just like, yeah, I'm leftist, I don't like Trump, but I don't like all that gender stuff. | |
| I have a family. | ||
| Yeah, but- But if you say the Tampon Tim stuff, they're gonna say- I disagree. | ||
| I don't think that's true, actually. | ||
| I completely disagree. | ||
| Yeah, I come from, like, Seattle, Washington area, and they actually, like, that kind of Democrat, they hear the Tampon Tim thing, they're like, Another ignorant Republican that doesn't understand. | ||
| It's not just that. | ||
| You've got to understand what the meme conveys, right? | ||
| So tampon Tim conveys to Republicans who know the news that he put tampons in boys' bathrooms. | ||
| To liberals, you're saying, I hate that he tried helping women. | ||
| Yeah, it conveys bigotry in a lot of ways. | ||
| The liberals don't know. | ||
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They support that. | |
| So no, no, no, understand this. | ||
| When the story was reported widely in the corporate press, they said, Governor Tim Walz is being criticized because he was trying to provide students with feminine hygiene products. | ||
| And so the implication to liberals who don't watch the news is, young women were suffering, and Tim Walz said, we're going to make sure they get the stuff they need, and then Republicans attacked him for it. | ||
| Not that it was going in boys' rooms. | ||
| The media doesn't report that. | ||
| They report really selectively and it's impossible to understand from the Republican side because a lot of liberals, like my parents for example, they get their little slice and they actually don't educate a lot of liberals what the actual LGBT agenda is. | ||
| A lot of them have no idea what it is. | ||
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That's what I'm saying. | |
| If Vance mentions that it's going into the boys' restrooms, even a lot of liberals will say, I don't agree with that. | ||
| They'll look into it. | ||
| But saying Tampon Tim is... No, not that alone. | ||
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I'm just saying that's the starting point, and then you explain what you mean by that. | |
| I don't think you should say Tampon Tim. | ||
| I think the moderates are going to be like, huh? | ||
| Yeah, there's an argument to be made for letting Trump keep the rhetoric because he's already there, and letting Vance appeal to this more moderate Vance needs to say, look, there's been a lot of criticisms of, you know, when you were working in government because feminine hygiene products were being placed in the boys' bathrooms. | ||
| I don't know if that's a waste of taxpayer money or what that was about, but a lot of people were upset by it. | ||
| I'm wondering if you could answer what that was all about. | ||
| And then let him say it. | ||
| And let him say, we wanted boys to have tampons. | ||
| You know what he does? | ||
| When Tim Walz goes, look, there are transgender students and they need access to feminine hygiene products in boys' bathrooms, too, and the boys' room should have the tampons, then J.D. | ||
| Vance can go. | ||
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What? | |
| That's it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| You know, what's funny is the Canadian military put tampons in men's rooms on military bases, and the tampon dispensers kept getting vandalized and ripped off the walls. | ||
| Well, that was happening in high schools. | ||
| Yeah, well, this was happening on Canadian military bases, and so the Canadian military opened up a hate crimes... Oh, Canada, come on. | ||
| It's so ludicrous that they did that. | ||
| But this is why Tim Walz is probably nervous, man. | ||
| Because J.D. | ||
| Vance has probably got, you know, a hundred different arguments and questions that Tim Walz will not be able to answer on that stage. | ||
| And I'm going to be excited for this, but Trump had some opportunities he missed. | ||
| When Trump brought up she wants transgender surgery for illegal immigrants, the response from everyone was, Trump's gone crazy. | ||
| When Trump goes, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, the general response that I see in the corporate press is, oh, Trump has gone crazy. | ||
| You need what Trump should have done. | ||
| And look, I know, I know, it's my opinion, you guys can disagree, I'm just saying what I would do if I was Trump is I'd say, look, Kamala has been a disaster for this country. | ||
| I was just reading CNN this morning, and what was it they reported that CNN's reporting, Kamala, you wanted transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants? | ||
| What was that all about? | ||
| Why did CNN report that? | ||
| Can you guys answer that for me? | ||
| Pin it away from himself a little bit. | ||
| I'm not saying this. | ||
| Why would CNN report that? | ||
| I think that another aspect of what's happening tonight is Vance actually, if he does well, he has an opportunity to recontextualize the entire first debate, especially if they do a three-on-one moderation thing again, because Vance can stand there and take that and be like, oh, remember the last debate when you did the same thing before? | ||
| And the more that Vance can kind of like recontextualize things that happened in the first debate and give you a different closure to them, I think that he actually could, this debate could almost be more important than the first debate in a lot of ways because it lasts longer if he does it right. | ||
| Let's see if J.D. | ||
| Vance can keep a cool head and get those answers out. | ||
| Trump was poked and prided by Kamala. | ||
| She pressed his buttons and she got him. | ||
| The only thing is, if her opportunity here was not to insult Trump, it was to say, here's my economic plan. | ||
| Maybe she didn't have one. | ||
| But I have to imagine the Democrats wanted Kamala to go in and actually boost her polls by appealing to people, and they genuinely thought the plan would be insult Trump, get him flustered, and he'll act a fool, and then you'll win. | ||
| And then the end of it, people just went, yeah, we know Trump, though. | ||
| He's a known quantity, and he's better on the economy. | ||
| Kamala just did nothing. | ||
| Yeah, I think that this is an interesting dynamic between the two of them because, yes, they are their own separate politicians and have their own records to account for, but ultimately, Vance and Walz are there to represent Trump and Harris, and because Harris never fully defined any goals for her Opportunity, economy, or any whatever else she was vaguely promising. | ||
| This is a good opportunity for Vance not only to push Tim Walz on stuff that he has said, but to say, like, why can't your campaign give us a specific goal? | ||
| What is the specific goal here? | ||
| What are you looking for here? | ||
| Why are you okay with this level of legal immigration? | ||
| Like, there are quantities that I don't think Tim Walz is prepared to answer because he's so used to placating progressive voters. | ||
| Let's jump to this story from the Postmillennial. | ||
| Quote, I will cripple you. | ||
| Longshoreman Union President warns America as dockworkers strike takes hold of ports nationwide. | ||
| They don't care. It's not fair. | ||
| And if we don't put our foot down now, they would like to run over us and we're not going to allow that. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| International Longshoreman Association President Harold Daggett said the strike his union launched on Tuesday would cripple America. | ||
| Quote, I will cripple you and you have no idea what that means, Daggett said. | ||
| In a news scrum, Daggett said the issue for workers is protection against automation, which he says is currently not strong enough because what happens is they come in with new technology. | ||
| We just caught them in Mobile, was it Mobile? | ||
| Mobile? | ||
| Mobile, Alabama, called Autogate. | ||
| And that means the trucks are coming in and they're already checked in somewhere else and not using the checkers in the ILA to circumvent the contract. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| And if we don't put our foot down now, they would like to run us over. | ||
| We're not going to allow that. | ||
| Washington put so much pressure on port authorities that they will cave to union demands. | ||
| Cars won't come in. | ||
| Food won't come in. | ||
| Clothing won't come in. | ||
| You know how many people depend on our jobs? | ||
| Half the world. | ||
| And you want an October surprise. | ||
| How about them? | ||
| I mean, it's important to note that this is happening during a Democratic presidency and Democrats are supposed to be the party of the workers. | ||
| Yeah, and they're not anymore. | ||
| Biden was the first one to go stand on a picket line, right? | ||
| So he's theoretically, of all of Democrats, the most pro-union, most working man of them all. | ||
| I've read the number that this will cost America something like $4 billion a day. | ||
| I don't know if that's totally true, but it is fascinating to me because I actually think automation is One of the growing threats to American workers, I'm not trying to be a tech foe, but this is the reality, right? | ||
| There are people whose jobs will be automated away. | ||
| The other part that I know about this is that it's the East Coast longshoremen, because one of the things that they had asked was that their salaries be matched to the West Coast longshoremen. | ||
| West Coast longshoremen, I assume, are dealing with a lot of shipments from China. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just want to say, like, I don't know anything about this Daggett guy, but after just reading that quote, I will cripple you and you have no idea what that means. | ||
| I'm just like, based. | ||
| Don't you want to see the movie of this and he plays him? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| That's the kind of thing I want to see Trump do. | ||
| You know, that's what he does. | ||
| That's what we like about him. | ||
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Yeah, the unions were historically Democrat, right, but they refused to endorse the Democrat president recently because their own members were not voting Democrat. | |
| Yeah, the Teamsters. | ||
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Which is amazing, unprecedented. | |
| What is their argument for how they're going to win without the Teamsters, without union workers, with an economic crisis, the docks shutting down a month out from the election, Israel being bombed, a hurricane disaster zone they were ignoring? | ||
| I do not understand. | ||
| Look, You're just missing the vibe. | ||
| That's an easy question to answer. | ||
| You're missing the vibe. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Kamala Harris skipped that dinner. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The Al Smith dinner? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they say in the press the last time this happened was Mondale. | ||
| The last person to do that was Mondale. | ||
| Oh, that didn't work out so great for him. | ||
| No, he won one state. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm hoping. | ||
| I don't see that happening. | ||
| I don't know how you can say we don't have an economic crisis when the pro-union president now has to deal with, what, the fourth or fifth major union strike of his presidency? | ||
| If the workers are this unhappy, clearly the economy must be even worse. | ||
| They keep saying, like the White House keeps saying about this one, that they're not going to invoke the Taft-Hartley Act to, you know, basically bust the strike. | ||
| So that means somebody is going to have to go in there and negotiate. | ||
| And every day that goes by is going to be months of recovery, you know? | ||
| I mean, it's just going to take that much longer. | ||
| And we saw what the supply chain crisis was like during COVID. | ||
| It was really bad. | ||
| There were runs on toilet paper and everything. | ||
| I mean, it was absolutely out of control. | ||
| You're saying we should stock up? | ||
| I'm not going to do that. | ||
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If the workers aren't going to vote Democrat, they have an easy answer to that. | |
| It's called mail-in ballots. | ||
| But for sure, we called it the shadow campaign. | ||
| There's way less mail-in balloting this election than before. | ||
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TP Action is doing a great job on the Republican side. | |
| Scott Pressler. | ||
| You know, it kind of just clicked for me, Tim, when you asked that. | ||
| I don't think actually. | ||
| I think there might be a very strong case to be made that they're actually aware that Trump is going to win, and what they're doing is they're getting World War III started, so he has to deal with that. | ||
| They just started cutting rates in the economy, so there will be a crazy crash-recession thing. | ||
| It's like that just always will follow what we're doing there in the economy. | ||
| So it looks more like what might be happening is they're setting up the worst possible administration for him to deal with, so they can run their media wheels on him again and divide the nation further and try to do a rerun of his first presidency. | ||
| And hopefully then capitalize on that division after the war is done. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think the escalations in the Middle East and Ukraine may be intentional because they want Trump to inherit a war that he cannot get out of. | ||
| They want Trump to inherit an economy where they can say, we warned you. | ||
| I take a look at Afghanistan and simply, it makes no sense. | ||
| There's literally no reason to abandon Bagram Air Force Base in your withdrawal. | ||
| They could have handled all their evacuations through Bagram. | ||
| Then, once they got their evacuations out, the interpreters, the U.S. | ||
| men and women could be circling around Bagram and then evacuate and leave a small amount of contingent, a small contingent in to maintain air logistics and support so the Taliban doesn't overrun everything. | ||
| Instead, they abandoned Bagram in the middle of the night without telling anybody. | ||
| Locals just started looting and raiding the Air Force Base for whatever they could. | ||
| Makes no sense. | ||
| They tried doing evacuations in this urban center. | ||
| Chaos. | ||
| A bomb goes off. | ||
| They said that there were pilots in the Afghan security forces who were landing and just abandoning their helicopters because there was no logistics, no radio support anymore. | ||
| That sounds like it was on purpose. | ||
| And I don't know if it was, but the theory that goes around online is that they wanted to punish the Trump administration and the American people for abandoning this project. | ||
| That they were going to try and make an example where they can say, see, we can't just leave because we don't want Afghanistan again. | ||
| I'm sure they'll say something very similar with Israel or Ukraine or Taiwan. | ||
| Oh no, but if we leave Ukraine, look what happened to Afghanistan. | ||
| I think it's on purpose. | ||
| Now I look at what's going on now. | ||
| And I'm wondering if it's similar where they're going to say, OK, we're going to lose this one. | ||
| Let's make sure Trump inherits a steaming pile of crap of an economy and war, and then we can blame him for it. | ||
| Go to the American people and say, see, we told you so. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, even if they blame him for it, he's going to get it fixed up. | ||
| And then J.D. | ||
| Vance is going to be like, hey, look at me. | ||
| I'm ready for another eight years. | ||
| I think he's more ready to fix it up than they give him credit for. | ||
| Like, I think that Trump actually is well established to solve this crisis in the Middle East. | ||
| And I think he's finally got a good team around him, too. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Well, they did that to Trump with the China virus stuff, where he was leaving, and they're like, hey, you had a crappy economy, and now we made it great just because we have jobs coming back. | |
| In this situation, it's like he's coming in the beginning, so he can't actually fix it. | ||
| Instead of on his way out, they make a problem. | ||
| You know, there's another key factor here that's different this time, and that's X. Last time, we had no true free speech platform in order to counter the narrative, and they had all the censorship locked down, and so that division was powerful. | ||
| And we saw it as soon as Biden took office, just the insanity of the left versus the right and the different sets of facts they're all living in. | ||
| But even today, the mainstream media is having to report on X's reporting because X is reporting the truth before anyone else can cover the stories. | ||
| And so when you have that fundamental free speech dynamic overlaying them trying to smear Trump throughout four years of him fixing all these problems that they created, that might be actually like they might be setting themselves up for a serious failure that they have not foreseen. | ||
| And, you know, with X changing like that and Elon Musk taking a stand like that, we even saw over the summer Mark Zuckerberg kind of like backing off his previous thing. | ||
| He said that he wasn't going to be giving a ton of money to any political campaign, specifically Democrats, who he gave a ton of money to last time. | ||
| He called Trump after the assassination attempt and said that he was, you know, and then in an interview said that he was badass for doing that. | ||
| He brought on a Republican, you know, fight, fight, fight. | ||
| He brought on a Republican strategist and he said that he was more libertarian than anything else. | ||
| It must be clear, Zuckerberg should still go on trial, but you're right, it is sick. | ||
| But like, to have Elon Musk stand up and take all those slings and arrows, it made it so that Zuckerberg could in the background be like, oh, hey everybody, hey, what's going on? | ||
| Or at least look at it and say, becoming libertarian is the right thing to do, people respond to that better. | ||
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I heard Zuckerberg is becoming more masculine, he's training in MMA, he's becoming one of the boys, and so now his opinion has changed. | |
| He's a little more muscular. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We get mocked for your surfing photo one time. | ||
| I see two things. | ||
| I genuinely think Zuckerberg saw himself in the memes where he had the weird short hair, pale, and he looked like an android. | ||
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A robot. | |
| And he probably was embarrassed and he was like, that's what people think of me. | ||
| Nobody wants to be that guy. | ||
| So now look, he looks like a surfer dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Grow a little facial hair, let his hair grow out. | ||
| Much better luck. | ||
| Live in Hawaii, got a little tan. | ||
| And you start exercising, you naturally become more conservative. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| It just always happens. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| Mermaid. | ||
| Testosterone. | ||
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What's that about? | |
| Testosterone. | ||
| Well, also it's that you start earning, like the thing about fitness that's interesting is that you cannot, like you have to earn it. | ||
| Even if you cheat with the cheats, you know, you still have to earn it. | ||
| And people, like, you don't always necessarily become full conservative, but every time someone that's never exercised or worked out or felt strong in any way, like, the Democrat Party lives on the handout mindset, right? | ||
| And the moment you start giving yourself the handouts, it's like, wait a minute. | ||
| Like, what are we doing? | ||
| It's really simple. | ||
| Meritocracy versus communism, right? | ||
| You're somebody who feels the burn every day, and you struggle, and you're trying to achieve something, and then you get there, and now you're fit, and you've got muscles, and then they say, you have privilege. | ||
| You have thin privilege. | ||
| You're getting these things because they're being gifted to you, and you're like, you don't have any idea how hard it was to, like, you guys eat donuts and Twinkies and HoHos and lay on the couch all day. | ||
| It's so easy, and I break myself every day to be the best version of myself. | ||
| That's when people are like, I should pay taxes. | ||
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I did judo off and on for nine years, and you get your ass kicked at first by even small guys, and you build your way up, and so yeah, you're like, I earned this, I belong here. | |
| And so I encourage everyone in your audience to do some kind of martial arts, even the basic level, because you will learn what it means to earn your keep. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And this is a big component of it. | ||
| Imagine doing that exercise and then having to pay the medical bills of people who won't. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| And this is a big shift for a lot of people because, you know, I've known people who have been unhealthy and they're like, I had to turn things around. | ||
| I had to cut this out. | ||
| I started exercising. | ||
| I feel great. | ||
| And then I realized when they say universal health care, they're basically saying, I don't want to do any work. | ||
| I want your money and your labor to pay for my lifestyle. | ||
| I feel so strongly about that statement. | ||
| Yeah, I hate that. | ||
| I've not been to the doctor in 10 years. | ||
| I'd hate going to the doctor. | ||
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Knock on wood, because you just fell over right now. | |
| Hi CIA. | ||
| Liquid death right there. | ||
| And the amount of money that is going to health care is insane. | ||
| And that is all coming from the sicknesses that are funded, that are being created by what the MAHA movement is speaking out about. | ||
| By all of these poisons in our food, like all the diabetes in our world right now. | ||
| Like it's crazy that the Trump, MAGA and MAHA movement is speaking out about that health issue that is directly what we're talking about here of like, why are we paying for all that? | ||
| Bro, I am MAHA all the way, dude. | ||
| All the way. | ||
| I have never been like MAGA makes me chuckle and I'm like, I get it. | ||
| You know, I love America, but I see MAHA and I feel that energy. | ||
| Oh, I rocked the MAHA hat. | ||
| I was on the MAHA bus. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's really so important. | ||
| Like, I didn't always feel that way, and I used to eat a lot more takeout and stuff, but since I started pretty much just cooking all my own food, I'm so careful about what I put in it. | ||
| Did you get chickens yet? | ||
| What? | ||
| You have chickens, right? | ||
| No, I don't have chickens. | ||
| Yeah, get them before you have to register them. | ||
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I don't have chickens. | |
| In before the forms. | ||
| I think the health is a big concern with Americans. | ||
| There's a lot I can't do. | ||
| You can have chickens! | ||
| Where do you want me to find this extra time? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| You get two chickens and they walk around, they just do their own thing. | ||
| But you gotta clean up after the chickens. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| You gotta do stuff with chickens. | ||
| Just get a goat and it'll take care of it. | ||
| You have a kid, so he can do it. | ||
| So now I'm supposed to get a goat? | ||
| Yeah, you got a kid. | ||
| And a kid. | ||
| My kid? | ||
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You meant my kid. | |
| All you gotta do is wake up in the morning, go pick up, you get two hens, they're friends. | ||
| Listen, I wake up in the morning, I get my kid to school, I work out, I write my newsletter, I start doing my job, and the next thing I know, I'm exhausted and it's midnight. | ||
| I figured it out. | ||
| Libby takes a carton of eggs on the way out whenever she can. | ||
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Oh, I sure do! | |
| I take two cartons of eggs on the way out. | ||
| Do you have them here now? | ||
| Yeah, they're another house. | ||
| We have probably like three to four dozen eggs a day. | ||
| I ate two of those eggs today. | ||
| I hard boiled them. | ||
| They were good. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You know, there's another aspect to the health thing that we haven't actually touched on. | ||
| I think we forget a lot is we all just went through COVID and we got pushed all this pharma bullshit during COVID when everyone knew all along from the very start that if you're healthy, you're pretty much good. | ||
| Like you pretty much don't have to worry about it. | ||
| Look at the vitamin D argument. | ||
| Well, that's a part of being healthy, right? | ||
| Right, so when people started saying things like, hey, you should consider taking vitamins, the media went nuts. | ||
| And I had, I had a, I remember, we're a minute out, so, oh, they're here, they're getting started. | ||
| Oh, yeah, let's get into this. | ||
| Did you see outside there are Trump supporters shouting tampon Tim? | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Here we go. | ||
| Oh, he's there by himself. | ||
| is lectern and here we go give us your last thoughts as we watch your eyes are balanced and it's often the way i a zare there is a project in the hands of moderate and i think i performance that seems obvious but no full footballs all right looking for a viral model that's what they'll be looking for to dance looks way more relaxed yeah and he's also one making the comments that you have a good idea as well as the articles like i can't believe there's anything he wants to do the same as our uh... colleagues We got 40 seconds, but we'll get ready. | ||
| I look at this, I couldn't imagine ever doing anything like that. | ||
| I'm actually surprised. | ||
| Well, we have the vice presidential debate coming up in a moment. | ||
| It will be moderated by our own Roe O'Donnell. | ||
| We got 40 seconds, but we'll get ready. | ||
| I look at this, I couldn't imagine ever doing anything like that. | ||
| I'm actually surprised. | ||
| Donald Trump's great, but what, he's a billionaire. | ||
| He has a golden toilet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Why? | |
| He doesn't need to do this. | ||
| I mean, it's a lot of personal sacrifice to be that old and just keep working. | ||
| And you know what, man? | ||
| Like when I look at Trump, he didn't need to do this. | ||
| And I know people are going to say it's biased. | ||
| When I look at Joe Biden, they say, what about Biden? | ||
| He was old. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, but he had like a bunch of weird stuff going on with his kid and Burisma and Ukraine. | ||
| And it was like, if Trump got elected again, Biden is in trouble. | ||
| The whole family is in trouble. | ||
| And so he had to do it, and he didn't want to. | ||
| All right, here we go. | ||
| Four seconds. | ||
| Music. | ||
| Did they not shake hands? | ||
| They did. | ||
| Yeah, I'm pretty sure. | ||
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Just over a month to go until Election Day, the first and only meeting between the two men. | |
| Is it weird that it's two women as the moderators? | ||
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I feel like that's weird. | |
| I'm glad you pointed that out, Libby. | ||
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They don't look like lesbians, so that's a little different from the last debate. | |
| The final debate of this election cycle and voting is already underway in 20 states. | ||
| CBS News polling shows this remains a race either presidential candidate could win. | ||
| That's the goal. | ||
| The CBS News vice presidential debate starts now. | ||
| Fight for every single vote and we're going to take this country back. | ||
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And we are ready to continue to build the future together. | |
| We're going to turn this whole country red with President Donald J. Trump's leadership. | ||
| You know what's at the end of this little journey? | ||
| I want to know what facial hair fans is rocking today. | ||
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This is a CBS News special. | |
| Live from CBS News headquarters in New York, America decides the vice presidential debate. | ||
| Good evening, I'm Nora O'Donnell and thank you for joining us for tonight's CBS News Vice Presidential Debate. | ||
| We want to welcome our viewers on CBS, on other networks here in the U.S. | ||
| and around the world. | ||
| We have a consequential night ahead and our focus is the issues that matter to you, the voter. | ||
| Let's introduce the candidates. | ||
| Minnesota's Democratic Governor Tim Walz and Ohio's Republican Senator J.D. | ||
| dance tonight meeting for the first time. | ||
| I'm Margaret Brennan. | ||
| In order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to. | ||
| Questions will be directed at one candidate, who will have two minutes to respond. | ||
| The other candidate will be allowed two minutes for rebuttal. | ||
| Then, each candidate will get another minute to make further points, with an additional one minute each at the discretion of the moderator. | ||
| The primary role of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates, enforce the rules, and provide the candidates with the opportunity to fact-check claims made by each other. | ||
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CBS News reserves the right to mute the candidates' microphones to maintain decorum. | |
| We have not shared the questions or topics with the campaigns. | ||
| The stage is set. | ||
| They clarified that on purpose. | ||
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Senator, thank you for joining us. | |
| Let's get started. | ||
| Tonight our country is facing several unfolding crises. | ||
| The Middle East is on the brink of war. | ||
| Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene. | ||
| And now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are picketing. | ||
| We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East. | ||
| Margaret. | ||
| Thank you, Nora. | ||
| Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to joint U.S. | ||
| and Israeli defensive action. | ||
| President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 U.S. | ||
| military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war. | ||
| Iran is weakened. | ||
| But the U.S. | ||
| still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. | ||
| It is down now to one or two weeks' time. | ||
| Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| And thank you for those joining at home tonight. | ||
| Let's keep in mind where this started. | ||
| October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners. | ||
| Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental. | ||
| Getting its hostages back, fundamental. | ||
| And ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. | ||
| But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. | ||
| You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack. | ||
| But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter. | ||
| It's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment. | ||
| But it's not just that. | ||
| It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous. | ||
| His chief of staff, John Kelly, said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met. | ||
| And both of his secretaries of defense He's at least getting rid of them now, though, at first. | ||
| said he should be nowhere near the White House. | ||
| Now the person closest to them, Donald Trump, said he's unfit for the highest office. | ||
| That was Senator Vance. | ||
| What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've seen steady leadership. | ||
| We've seen a calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together. | ||
| Understanding that our allies see Donald Trump turn towards Vladimir Putin. | ||
| Turn towards North Korea. | ||
| When we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed. | ||
| And as the Vice President said today is, we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there will be consequences. | ||
| Senator Vance, the same question. | ||
| Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| So, Morgan, I want to answer the question. | ||
| First of all, thanks, Governor. | ||
| Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate. | ||
| And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate. | ||
| I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are. | ||
| I was raised in a working class family. | ||
| My mother required food assistance. | ||
| My grandmother required social security help to raise me and she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life. | ||
| I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq. | ||
| And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams. | ||
| And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable. | ||
| I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going to be attainable once again. | ||
| Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world and he did it by establishing effective deterrence. | ||
| People were afraid of stepping out of line. | ||
| Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration. | ||
| What do they use that money for? | ||
| They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well. | ||
| Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength. | ||
| They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world. | ||
| Now you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question. | ||
| Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys. | ||
| I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question. | ||
| Actually answering the question. | ||
| Thank you, Senator. | ||
| Governor Walz, do you care to respond to any of the allegations? | ||
| Well, look, Donald Trump was in office. | ||
| We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump. | ||
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Tim Walz, the ex-CIS in the coalition of Iran. | |
| That had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it. | ||
| Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place. | ||
| So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership. | ||
| And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump. | ||
| And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. | ||
| troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches. | ||
| Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle. | ||
| He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him. | ||
| Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April. | ||
| Both Iranian attacks were repelled. | ||
| Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris has provided. | ||
| Senator Vance, the U.S. | ||
| did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program and President Trump did exit that deal. | ||
| He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S. | ||
| must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible. | ||
| Did he make a mistake? | ||
| You have one minute. | ||
| Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary. | ||
| You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been. | ||
| And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump. | ||
| Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years? | ||
| And the answer is your running mate. | ||
| Not mine. | ||
| Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure. | ||
| Now, we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up. | ||
| But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel? | ||
| It was during the administration of Kamala Harris. | ||
| So, Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world. | ||
| Donald Trump has already done it once before. | ||
| Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout? | ||
| The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president. | ||
| That's a great answer. | ||
| Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to. | ||
| Nora? | ||
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Margaret, thank you. | |
| Let's turn now to Hurricane Columbia. | ||
| The storm could become one of the deadliest on record. | ||
| More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing. | ||
| Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. | ||
| Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, 7 in 10 Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S. | ||
| taking steps to try and reduce climate change. | ||
| Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Sure, so first of all, let's start with the hurricane, because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy. | ||
| I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives. | ||
| And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them. | ||
| And we want as robust and aggressive as possible as we can get to save as many lives as possible. | ||
| And of course, afterwards, to help the people in those communities rebuild. | ||
| I mean, these are communities that I love. | ||
| Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast. | ||
| They need their government to do their job. | ||
| And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens of this country first when they suffer from a disaster. | ||
| Now Nora, you asked about climate change. | ||
| I think this is a very important issue. | ||
| Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns. | ||
| I think it's important for us, first of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water. | ||
| We want the environment to be cleaner and safer. | ||
| But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions. | ||
| This idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change. | ||
| Well, let's just say that's true, just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science. | ||
| Let's just say that's true. | ||
| Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do? | ||
| The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world. | ||
| What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to? | ||
| More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. | ||
| And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output. | ||
| So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people. | ||
| And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite. | ||
| He's great. | ||
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Governor Walz, you have two minutes. | |
| I'm going to rewatch this so I can learn. | ||
| We got close to an agreement because all those things are happening. | ||
| Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane. | ||
| And my heart goes out to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors. | ||
| I serve as co-chair of the Council of Governors. | ||
| We work together on these emergency management schemes. | ||
| Governors know no partisanship. | ||
| They work together to solve the governors and the emergency responders on the ground. | ||
| Those happen on the front end. | ||
| The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there too, that we recover. | ||
| But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused. | ||
| Now look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen. | ||
| Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past. | ||
| Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in. | ||
| What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment. | ||
| We've seen massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across the country. Two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making it here. Two hundred thousand jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sits in Minnesota. But my farmers know climate change is real. | ||
| They've seen five hundred year droughts, five hundred year floods back to back. | ||
| But what they're doing is adapting, and this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean, and I harvest wind. | ||
| We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have. | ||
| We're also producing more clean energy. | ||
| So, the solution for us is to continue to move forward that climate change is real. | ||
| Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice. | ||
| You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country. | ||
| That's exactly what this administration has done. | ||
| We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current. | ||
| And that's what absolutely makes sense. | ||
| And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Senator, I want to give you an opportunity to respond there. | ||
| The governor mentioned that President Trump has called climate change a hoax. | ||
| Do you agree? | ||
| Well look, what the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing. | ||
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That's right. | |
| So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this. | ||
| If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies. | ||
| Now, something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon because when we talk about clean energy. | ||
| I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here. | ||
| I'm talking, of course, about the Democratic leadership. | ||
| And the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier. | ||
| We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America. | ||
| Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components. | ||
| Go into those solar panels. | ||
| So if you really want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest in more energy production. | ||
| We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think, one in the past 40 years. | ||
| Natural gas, we got to invest more in it. | ||
| Kamala Harris has done the opposite. | ||
| That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing worse by the climate. | ||
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Senator, your time is up. | |
| Governor, would you like to respond? | ||
| Well, look, we're producing more natural gas than we ever have. | ||
| There's no moratorium on that. | ||
| We're producing more oil. | ||
| But the folks know, and like I said again, these are not liberal folks. | ||
| These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks. | ||
| These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year. | ||
| They understand that it makes sense. | ||
| Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms. | ||
| We saw it in Minnesota this summer. | ||
| And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this. | ||
| And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things. | ||
| The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future. | ||
| How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines? | ||
| How do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of? | ||
| But to call it a hoax and to take The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate. | ||
| and I'll let you do whatever you want. | ||
| We can be smarter about that and an all above energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate. | ||
| Margaret. | ||
| We're going to turn now to immigration. | ||
| The crisis at the US-Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issues for American voters. | ||
| Senator Vance. | ||
| Your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in American history and to use the U.S. | ||
| military to do so. | ||
| Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work? | ||
| For example, would you deport parents who have entered the U.S. | ||
| illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on U.S. | ||
| soil? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding. | ||
| We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies. | ||
| 94 executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system. | ||
| That has opened the floodgates. | ||
| And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country. | ||
| I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and is and has gotten clean. I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. So you've got to stop the bleeding. You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, re-implement deportations. And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do? So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country. What do we do with them? | ||
| I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants. | ||
| About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally. | ||
| I think you start with deportations on those folks. | ||
| And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers. | ||
| A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country. | ||
| And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work. | ||
| And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation. | ||
| Right now in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost. | ||
| Some of them have been sex trafficked. | ||
| Some of them hopefully are at homes with their families. | ||
| Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules. | ||
| The real family separation policy in this country is unfortunately Kamala Harris's wide open southern border. | ||
| And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she said she was going to do this. | ||
| Real leadership would be saying, you know what? | ||
| I screwed up. | ||
| We're going to go back to Donald Trump's border policies. | ||
| I wish that she would do that. | ||
| It would be good for all of us. | ||
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| Do you care to respond to any of the specific allegations, including that the Vice President is, quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules, among other things? | ||
| It's not true, but I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis. | ||
| And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history. | ||
| 30% decrease in Ohio, but there's still more work to do. | ||
| But let's go back to this on immigration. | ||
| Kamala Harris was the Attorney General of the largest state and a border state in California. | ||
| She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions. | ||
| But look, we all want to solve this. | ||
| Most of us want to solve this. | ||
| And that is the United States Congress. | ||
| That's the Border Patrol agents. | ||
| That's the Chamber of Commerce. | ||
| That's most Americans out here. | ||
| That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen. | ||
| It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Lankford. | ||
| I know him, he's super conservative, but he's a man of principle, wants to get it done. | ||
| Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation. | ||
| The border patrol said this is what we need in here. | ||
| These are the experts. | ||
| And the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal said pass this thing. | ||
| Kamala Harris helped get there. | ||
| 1,500 new border agents. | ||
| Detection for drugs. | ||
| He's going to slam him on this one. | ||
| DOJ money to speed up the adjudications on this. | ||
| Just what America wants. | ||
| But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this, Donald Trump said no. | ||
| Told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue. | ||
| It gives him... What would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things? | ||
| And they need to be done by the legislature. | ||
| You can't just do this through the executive branch. | ||
| So look, we have the options to do this. | ||
| Donald Trump had four years. | ||
| Four years to do this. | ||
| And he promised you, America, how easy it would be. | ||
| I'll build you a big beautiful wall. | ||
| And Mexico will pay for it. | ||
| Less than 2% of that wall got built, and Mexico didn't pay a dime. | ||
| But here we are again, nine years after he came down that escalator, dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do. | ||
| As far as a deportation plan, at one point, Senator Vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable. | ||
| So that's where we're at. | ||
| Pass the bill, she'll sign it. | ||
| Governor, your time is up. | ||
| Senator, the question was, will you separate parents from their children, even if their kids are U.S. | ||
| citizens? | ||
| You have one minute. | ||
| Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. | ||
| I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules. | ||
| I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country, and we know that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop. | ||
| Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test. | ||
| For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy. | ||
| She did exactly that. | ||
| We had a record number of illegal crossings. | ||
| We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country. | ||
| And now Well, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation. | ||
| The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border. | ||
| This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America. | ||
| Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president. | ||
| Senator, your time is up. | ||
| Governor, what about our CBS News polling, which does show that a majority of Americans, more than 50%, support mass deportation? | ||
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Wow! | |
| Let's go America! | ||
| I hope it is necessary, but the issue on this is, this is what happens when you don't want to solve it. | ||
| You demonize it. | ||
| And we saw this, and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this, talking about and saying, I will create stories to bring attention to this. | ||
| That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of Springfield. | ||
| The Republican governor said, it's not true. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| There's consequences for this. | ||
| There's consequences. | ||
| We could come together. | ||
| Senator Lankford did it. | ||
| We could come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump make an issue. | ||
| She just said the majority want the deportations and he said you're wrong. | ||
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Yeah, right, yeah. | |
| Demonizing. | ||
| law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school. | ||
| I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point. | ||
| And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human beings. | ||
| Senator, I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first. | ||
| The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding. | ||
| So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action, solve this. | ||
| Do you disagree? | ||
| that Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want to implement. You have one minute. | ||
| Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job. I've been to the southern border more than our borders are. Kamala Harris has been. And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job. Of course, additional resources would help. | ||
| And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job. | ||
| Of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico. | ||
| But most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico. | ||
| You've got to go back through proper channels. | ||
| Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield. | ||
| Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed. | ||
| You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed. | ||
| You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. | ||
| The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border. | ||
| It is a disgrace to them. | ||
| And I actually think, I agree with you, I think you want to solve this problem, but I don't think that Kamala Harris does. | ||
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Senator, your time is up. | |
| It is law enforcement that asked for the bill. | ||
| They helped craft it. | ||
| They're the ones that supported it. | ||
| That's because they know we need to do this. | ||
| Look, this issue of continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything. | ||
| On housing, we could talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable. | ||
| But it becomes a blame. | ||
| Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. | ||
| I agree, it should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done. | ||
| This bill gets it done in 90 days. | ||
| Then you start to make a difference in this, and you start to adhere to what we know, American principles. | ||
| I don't talk about my faith a lot. | ||
| But Matthew 2540 talks about, to the least amongst us you do unto me. | ||
| I think that's true of most Americans. | ||
| They simply want order to it. | ||
| This bill does it. | ||
| It's funded. | ||
| It's supported by the people who do it. | ||
| And it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people. | ||
| Thank you, Governor. | ||
| And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status. | ||
| I thought you guys weren't fact-checking. | ||
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Senator, we have so much to get to. | |
| We're going to turn out of the economy. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact-check. | ||
| And since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on. | ||
| So there's an application called the CBP One App. | ||
| You can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand. | ||
| That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years. | ||
| That is the facilitation of a legal immigration. | ||
| Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process. | ||
| We have so much to get to, Senator. | ||
| Those laws have been on the books since 1990. | ||
| Thank you, gentlemen. | ||
| The CBP one app has not been on the books since 1990. | ||
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That's immutable! | |
| That's immutable! | ||
| Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut. | ||
| We have so much we want to get to. | ||
| Thank you for explaining the legal process. | ||
| The legal process. | ||
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Thank you, Margaret. | |
| The economy is a top concern for voters. | ||
| Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics. | ||
| Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit. | ||
| The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion. | ||
| How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit? | ||
| Governor, I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| And Kamala Harris and I do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from. | ||
| We both grew up in that. | ||
| We understand. | ||
| So those of you out there listening tonight, you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good. | ||
| It's healthy. | ||
| That's what this is supposed to happen. | ||
| You should be listening. | ||
| How's this going to impact me? | ||
| The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue. | ||
| The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house. | ||
| A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere. | ||
| It's foundational to where you're at. | ||
| And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's fairness in that. | ||
| Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it cost $5 to make insulin. | ||
| They were charging $800 before this law went into effect. | ||
| As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in Minnesota. | ||
| 12% more houses in Minneapolis, prices went down on rent 4%. | ||
| It's working. | ||
| And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class. | ||
| A $6,000 child tax credit, we have one in Minnesota, reduces childhood poverty by a third. | ||
| We save money in the long run and we do the right thing for families. | ||
| And then getting businesses off the ground. | ||
| The law as it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business, increasing that to $50,000. | ||
| Now this is a philosophical difference between us. | ||
| Donald Trump made a promise, and I'll give you this, he kept it. | ||
| He took folks to Mar-a-Lago, said you're rich as hell, I'm gonna give you a tax cut. | ||
| He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class. | ||
| What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever. | ||
| Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in. | ||
| Everyone agrees, including businesses, it would be destabilizing it, it would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. | ||
| Look, this is simple for you. | ||
| Where are we going? | ||
| Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do. | ||
| We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. | ||
| When you do that, our system works best, more people are participating in it, and folks have the things that they need. | ||
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Wrong. | |
| Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that. | ||
| But similarly, the Wharton School has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion. | ||
| My question is the same for you. | ||
| How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer. | ||
| A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good. | ||
| Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it. | ||
| Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%. | ||
| Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%. | ||
| Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans. | ||
| If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now. | ||
| Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago. | ||
| And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans. | ||
| Now, Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record. | ||
| A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense, and they don't have wisdom. | ||
| Because Donald Trump's economic policies delivered the highest take-home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world. | ||
| So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say, look at the record. | ||
| He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers. | ||
| Now, Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts, but if you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home pay to middle-class and working-class Americans. | ||
| It was passed in 2017 and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country. | ||
| That is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again. | ||
| I know a lot of you are struggling. | ||
| I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills. | ||
| It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country. | ||
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Governor, do you want to respond to that? | |
| What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class? | ||
| Well, Kamala Harris' Day 1 was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy. | ||
| We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression. | ||
| 9 million jobs closed on that. | ||
| That was Day 1. | ||
| Whether it was the Infrastructure Act or other things, we moved. | ||
| Now, you made a question about experts said this. | ||
| I made a note of this. | ||
| Economists Don't know you can't be trusted. | ||
| Science can't be trusted. | ||
| National security folks can't be trusted. | ||
| Look, if you're going to be president, you don't have all the answers. | ||
| Donald Trump believes he does. | ||
| My pro tip of the day is this. | ||
| If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump. | ||
| And the same thing goes with this, and I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever, how is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year, and Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years, in the last year as president? | ||
| That's what's wrong with the system. | ||
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There's a way around it, and he's bragged about that. | |
| We're just asking for fairness in it, and that's all you want. | ||
| Governor, you say trust the experts. | ||
| Those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods. | ||
| They lied about that. | ||
| They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the middle class stronger. | ||
| They were wrong about that. | ||
| They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive in our own nation that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it. | ||
| And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore. | ||
| We're bringing American manufacturing back. | ||
| We're unleashing American energy. | ||
| We're going to make more of our own stuff. | ||
| And this isn't just an economic issue. | ||
| I mean, I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love them very much, and I hope they're in bed right now. | ||
| But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us. | ||
| This has to stop and we're not going to stop it by listening to experts. | ||
| We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump governed on. | ||
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I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump. | |
| Let me tell you what you should say. | ||
| If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were. | ||
| Look. | ||
| I'm a union guy on this. | ||
| I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas, but I understand that look, we produce soybeans and corn. | ||
| We need to have fair trading partners. | ||
| That's something that we believe in. | ||
| I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China. | ||
| So the rhetoric is good. | ||
| Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this. | ||
| I watched it happen too. | ||
| I watched it to my communities and we talked about that. | ||
| But we had People undercutting the right to collectively bargain. | ||
| We had right-to-work states made it more difficult. | ||
| We had companies that were willing to ship it over. | ||
| And we saw people profit. | ||
| Folks that are venture capital in some cases. | ||
| Putting money into companies that were overseas. | ||
| We're in agreement that we bring those home. | ||
| The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it. | ||
| Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA. | ||
| May I respond to that? | ||
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Yes. | |
| So, so appreciate that. | ||
| So if you notice what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts. | ||
| And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as this generalization did. | ||
| So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here because you've got to play whack-a-mole. | ||
| You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did. | ||
| You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did. | ||
| And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens. | ||
| I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the table in our household. | ||
| I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford. | ||
| We can do so much better. | ||
| To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again. | ||
| We just gotta get back to common sense economic principles. | ||
| I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then. | ||
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Senator, Governor, thank you, Margaret. | |
| We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics, but right now I want to talk about personal qualifications. | ||
| The Vice President is often the last voice the President hears before making consequential decisions. | ||
| We want to ask you about your leadership qualities. | ||
| Governor Walz. | ||
| You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly... Oh no! | ||
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...spring of 1989. | |
| But Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year. | ||
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That's fantastic. | |
| Can you explain that discrepancy? | ||
| Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service. | ||
| I joined the National Guard at 17. | ||
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And then I used the GI Bill. | |
| To become a teacher. | ||
| Passion about it. | ||
| A young teacher. | ||
| My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China. | ||
| 35 years ago, be able to do that. | ||
| I came back home and then started a program to take young people there. | ||
| We would take basketball teams. | ||
| He's ignoring the question. | ||
| Baseball teams. | ||
| We would take dancers. | ||
| And we would go back and forth to China. | ||
| The issue for that was, was to try and learn. | ||
| Now look, my community knows who I am. | ||
| They saw where I was at. | ||
| Exactly his answer. | ||
| Look, I will be the first to tell you that I have poured my heart into my community. | ||
| I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect. | ||
| And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that. | ||
| Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years. | ||
| And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits. | ||
| And then the people of Minnesota We're able to elect me to governor. | ||
| So look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I get this right. | ||
| I will say more than anything, many times I will talk a lot. | ||
| I will get caught up in the rhetoric. | ||
| Being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned a lot about China. | ||
| I hear the critiques of this. | ||
| I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us. | ||
| I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID, and I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing. | ||
| So this is about trying to understand the world. | ||
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It's about trying to do the best for your community. | |
| And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is. | ||
| My commitment, whether it be through which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about. | ||
| Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the military preference? | ||
| All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this. | ||
| So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest, went in. | ||
| And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in government. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Thank you, Governor. | ||
| Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office. | ||
| And you said he could be America's Hitler. | ||
| I know you've said, you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments. | ||
| And explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020. | ||
| But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism. | ||
| You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his. | ||
| If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open. | ||
| And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president. | ||
| But I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump. | ||
| I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record. | ||
| But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people. | ||
| Rising wages, rising take home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on. | ||
| But Margaret, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it. | ||
| It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what change. | ||
| It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what changed. | ||
| Now, you pointed out some messages from 2020. | ||
| Now, you pointed out to messages from 2020. | ||
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Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it. | |
| Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its job. | ||
| I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just a high-class debating society. | ||
| It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems. | ||
| It's a forum to govern. | ||
| So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think that we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had been a little bit better about how they govern the country. | ||
| They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern. | ||
| I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax. | ||
| Look, the one thing... | ||
| And you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American manufacturing jobs. | ||
| And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record. Think about this. | ||
| If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands up for itself and says, you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle class Americans a fair wage. | ||
| Senator, your time is up. | ||
| Nora? | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Now to the issue of reproductive rights. | ||
| Governor Walz, after Roe vs. Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion. | ||
| Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine. | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
| Is that what you support? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| That's not what the bill says, but look. | ||
| This is what's on everyone's mind. | ||
| Donald Trump put this all into motion. | ||
| He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe vs. Wade. | ||
| 52 years of personal autonomy. | ||
| And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states. | ||
| It's a beautiful thing. | ||
| Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on It's a Beautiful Thing. | ||
| A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks. | ||
| She has a complication, a tear in the membrane. | ||
| She needs to go in. | ||
| The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor. | ||
| And that would have been an abortion. | ||
| But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy. | ||
| She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children. | ||
| Or in Kentucky, Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child raped and impregnated by her stepfather. | ||
| Those are horrific. | ||
| Now, when got asked about that, Senator Vance said two wrongs don't make a right. | ||
| There is no right in this. | ||
| So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe vs. Wade. | ||
| We made sure that we put Women in charge of their healthcare. | ||
| But look, if you don't know Amanda or Hadley, you soon will. | ||
| Their Project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies. | ||
| It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments. | ||
| For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I have a child. | ||
| That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed. | ||
| And the catch-all on this is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington. | ||
| That's not how this works. | ||
| This is basic human rights. | ||
| We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the world. | ||
| This is about health care. | ||
| In Minnesota, we are ranked first in health care for a reason. | ||
| We trust women. | ||
| We trust doctors. | ||
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Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim? | |
| Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency? | ||
| No, Nora, certainly we won't. | ||
| And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic. | ||
| And, you know, I grew up in a working-class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options. | ||
| And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me. | ||
| And I know she's watching tonight and I love you and she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship and I think that what I take from that as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us. And I | ||
| think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do. I want us as a Republican Party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word. I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. | ||
| I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family. | ||
| And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options. | ||
| Now of course Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically that we have a big country and it's diverse and California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. | ||
| Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona and the proper way to handle this As messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions. | ||
| Let the individual states make their abortion policy. | ||
| And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country. | ||
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Governor, would you like to respond? | |
| I agree, that's a good answer. | ||
| Yeah, well, the question got asked and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota. | ||
| Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states. | ||
| There's a young woman named Amber Thurman. | ||
| She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state. | ||
| Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care. | ||
| Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth. | ||
| The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography? | ||
| There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today. | ||
| That's why the restoration of Roe vs. Wade. | ||
| When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same. | ||
| Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. | ||
| I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening. | ||
| His running mate, though, does not. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
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Governor, your time is up. | |
| Senator, let me ask you about that. | ||
| He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban. | ||
| In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. | ||
| In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. | ||
| My question is, why have you changed your position? | ||
| Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban. | ||
| I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022 talk about setting some minimum national standard. | ||
| For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level. | ||
| I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance. | ||
| But Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum And the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position. | ||
| And I think that what I learned from that Nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust. | ||
| So many young women would love to have families. | ||
| So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships. | ||
| And we have got to earn people's trust back. | ||
| And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro-family policies, making child care more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a better job at that, and that's what real leadership is. | ||
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Governor, your response? | |
| I'm going to respond on the pro-abortion piece of that. | ||
| No, we're not. | ||
| We're pro-women. | ||
| We're pro-freedom to make your own choice. | ||
| We know what the implications are to not be that. | ||
| Women having miscarriages. | ||
| Women not getting the care. | ||
| Physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care. | ||
| And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's the state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates. | ||
| We understand that too. | ||
| We know that the options need to be available and we make that true. | ||
| We also make it, we're a top three state for the best place to raise children. | ||
| But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all. | ||
| We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices, and we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit, but we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care. | ||
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Senator? | |
| I may respond to that. | ||
| First of all, Governor, I agree with you. | ||
| Amber Thurmond should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was. | ||
| And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion. | ||
| That is I think whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric. | ||
| And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen, do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will? | ||
| Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience. | ||
| We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family, but please, Yes, Governor, please respond. | ||
| Look, this is a very simple proposition. | ||
| These are women's decisions to make about their healthcare decisions, and the physicians who know best when they need to do this. | ||
| Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all. | ||
| What was I wrong about, Governor? | ||
| Please tell me, what was I wrong about? | ||
| That is not the way the law is written. | ||
| I've given this advice on a lot of things that getting involved getting to get that's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate but the point on this is is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved I use this line on this just mind your own business on this things work best when Roe vs. Wade was in place when we do a restoration of Roe that works best that doesn't preclude us From increasing funding for children. | ||
| It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals. | ||
| They get early childhood education. | ||
| They get healthcare. | ||
| So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them. | ||
| She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families. | ||
| I asked a specific question, Governor. | ||
| You gave me a slogan as a response. | ||
| It's not the case. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| That's not what the law says. | ||
| So you fact-checked it with President Trump. | ||
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Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss. | |
| We have to move on. | ||
| We're going to be right back with much more of the CBS News vice presidential debate in just a moment. | ||
| Wow, you guys. | ||
| Let me, while they're going to the commercial. | ||
| Give us that fact check. | ||
| Well, so I pulled up a doc, let me get on the computer. | ||
| There was, my understanding real quick is that there was language that basically said a doctor must use all methods to save the life of a child in this circumstance. | ||
| And it was changed to basically say, well, they don't have to. | ||
| Allowing a doctor to say, right, right, right. | ||
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So, look, it's hard to search for it so specific, but I'll pull it up while you guys... Can I just tell you guys what my kid said? | |
| Because he's watching us watch the debate. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Hey, Charlie! | ||
| He said, uh, Vance sounds smart. | ||
| He does! | ||
| Waltz is Kamala Radio. | ||
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But Waltz always has this puppy dog face, his eyebrows are pointed up, he looks sad the whole time. | |
| He's always in major distress. | ||
| And he's getting hostile with the moderators, are you noticing that? | ||
| He is not having a good time. | ||
| And he's scribbling the notes. | ||
| And he's super disarmed by the fact that JD Vance is like, thank you Margaret, thank you Nora, thank you Tim. | ||
| Like, JD Vance came in, he is subtly aggressive, like he's not going to be pushed around by this, but it was not this like, I'm throwing punches, slugging guy that I think Tim Walz had prepared himself for. | ||
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But I love the, I'm sure Walz would agree with me on this, and then it continues on his part. | |
| And then Walz is like, yes, I do agree with Tim. | ||
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He's like, yeah, yeah, I do. | |
| Because he's too agreeable. | ||
| You know, Waltz is just too, he has too much of that agreeable personality to really govern properly. | ||
| And that's why they kill babies up to nine months in Minnesota. | ||
| Plus, I can really picture Waltz going home and crying into a pillow after this debate. | ||
| And I don't want that kind of a guy governing either. | ||
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No, you do get the sense that he probably cries a lot. | |
| He doesn't work out. | ||
| I mean, do you think he works out? | ||
| Based on your earlier comments? | ||
| I think Harris and his wife Gwen are going to yell at him after this. | ||
| What I can pull up right now real quick, well, we're going to keep the debate alive, but it's just ABC News reporting the Born Alive bill passed by the House would require care for infants born alive after failed abortion. | ||
| This is what J.D. | ||
| Vance is referring to. | ||
| The article that I was pulling up is just giving me error 503 back end. | ||
| Are you scrubbing it right now? | ||
| No, I think everyone's searching for it right now and they're hitting the websites that have brought it up. | ||
| I can try and pull up a case. | ||
| I am pretty sure that I have seen reporting on actual instances of it happening in the last, like, six months. | ||
| So just to clarify, what Vance is saying was, in the event there was a late-term abortion that fails and the baby survives, the doctors were required previously to provide life-saving care to the baby. | ||
| Under the new law, it's sort of their own discretion, it removes the requirement. | ||
| What Waltz kept saying was, that's not how the law is written. | ||
| He didn't say no, he was like, that's not what's in the law, that's not how it's written. | ||
| Not to mention that even supporting such late-term abortions is a pretty wild take in the first place. | ||
| It's pretty gross. | ||
| And also he didn't answer whether or not he believed that. | ||
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Even conservative states have exceptions, and he's bringing up these really exceptional cases saying, well, you just can't get an abortion. | |
| If you're going to die, you can't get an abortion. | ||
| That's not really considered an abortion. | ||
| In a lot of states it's considered medical care because it's the life of the mother. | ||
| Whereas if it's just inconvenience or whatever other reason they want to have an abortion, that's not an exceptional case. | ||
| What he's bringing up is like the 1% of abortions. | ||
| He's talking about Amber Thurman, right? | ||
| Amber Thurman died during emergency surgery after taking an abortion pill. | ||
| and experiencing a rare complication. | ||
| Like, this is not her just not getting denied care and then she's doing whatever. | ||
| Like, this is an unusual circumstances where she was already choosing to undergo an abortion and died during emergency surgery. | ||
| I think this is a little bit different. | ||
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Caused by the abortion itself. | |
| Caused by abortion pills. | ||
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Yes! | |
| These abortion pills are actually really dangerous. | ||
| She would not have suffered from it if she had not taken the pill. | ||
| The bill strips out Minnesota's existing requirement that reasonable measures be taken to preserve the life and health of born-alive infants, replacing it with a requirement for care, which the bill's house author Rep. | ||
| Tina Leibling, DFL Rochester, has described as mere comfort care. | ||
| Under the new language, an infant could be denied life-saving care and allowed to die. | ||
| So the argument is from Vance that, I think it's a bit more definitive, but it's basically the language was changed as such that there is a legal defense that you could allow the baby to die. | ||
| Well, Megyn Kelly just posted this that says, it was from mccl.org, January 3rd, 2023. | ||
| Today, Governor Jim Walz signed into law the Protective Reproduction Options Act to enshrine in state statute fundamental right to abortion without limits or safeguards. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so Colorado, the same thing. | ||
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Welcome back to the CBS News vice presidential debate. | |
| We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic. | ||
| The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms. | ||
| Senator Vance, you oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim would curb gun violence. | ||
| You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s. | ||
| So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison. | ||
| Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Yeah, well, Norah, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions. | ||
| I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no. | ||
| And the details really matter here, of course. | ||
| For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous. | ||
| But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade. | ||
| And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school. | ||
| And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence. | ||
| And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff. | ||
| And we do have to do better. | ||
| And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this. | ||
| The question is just how do we actually do it? | ||
| Now, here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence. | ||
| The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms. | ||
| And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels. | ||
| So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago. | ||
| But what do we do about the schools? | ||
| What do we do to protect our kids? | ||
| And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security. | ||
| But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools. | ||
| We have to make the doors lock better. | ||
| We have to make the doors stronger. | ||
| We've got to make the windows stronger. | ||
| And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea That we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys. | ||
| It just doesn't fit with recent experience. | ||
| So we've got to make our schools safer. | ||
| And I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan solutions for how to do that. | ||
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Governor, you have two minutes. | |
| Well, I thank all the parents watching tonight. | ||
| This is your biggest nightmare. | ||
| Look, I got a 17-year-old, and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball. | ||
| Those things don't leave you. | ||
| As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my 7-year-old picture on the wall. | ||
| Their 7-year-old were dead. | ||
| And they were asking us to do something. | ||
| And look, I'm a hunter. | ||
| I own firearms. | ||
| The Vice President is. | ||
| We understand that the Second Amendment Is there but our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this out in Minnesota. | ||
| We've enacted enhanced red flag laws enhanced background checks and we can start to get data. | ||
| But here's the problem if we really want to solve this we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence and this idea that we should just live with it and I and I here's what I do think that this is a good start to the conversation. | ||
| I 100% believe that Senator Vance hates it when these kids it's abhorrent and it breaks your heart. I agree with that. But it's that's not far enough when we know they're things that work. | ||
| I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools. They don't have this happen even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country. | ||
| There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference. | ||
| It's not infringing on your Second Amendment. | ||
| And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Kamala Harris, as an Attorney General, worked on this issue. | ||
| She knows that it's there. | ||
| No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there, do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort? | ||
| Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills? | ||
| They're being kids. | ||
| We owe it to them to get a fix. | ||
| These aren't things that should be that difficult. | ||
| You can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference. | ||
| We have to. | ||
| If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart. | ||
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Senator. | |
| Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting. | ||
| I'm sorry about that. | ||
| I appreciate you saying so. | ||
| Christ have mercy. | ||
| It is awful. | ||
| And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland. | ||
| Because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland's. | ||
| We have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health substance abuse. | ||
| We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety. | ||
| We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it. | ||
| Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities. | ||
| And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun offenders off the streets. | ||
| I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security. | ||
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Senator, thank you. | |
| Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but only later in your political career did you change your position. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I sat in my office with those Sandy Hook parents. | ||
| I've become friends with school shooters. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time. | ||
| What? | ||
| Friends with school shooters? | ||
| Oh my God! | ||
| I'm sure that's a misspeak, but also what? | ||
| I shot guns in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's not where we live today. | ||
| And several things I want to mention on this is, talking about cities and where it's at, the number one... | ||
| Where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides. | ||
| And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves. | ||
| And so we have and we should look at all of the issues. | ||
| Making sure folks have health care and all that, but I want to be very careful. | ||
| This idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue, doesn't mean you're violent. | ||
| And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat. | ||
| Sometimes it just is the guns. | ||
| It's just the guns. | ||
| And there are things that you can do about it. | ||
| But I do think that this is, and I think this is a healthy conversation. | ||
| I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work, protect Second Amendment, protect our children. | ||
| That's our priority. | ||
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Gentlemen, thank you. | |
| Everyone's tweeting it. | ||
| He literally just said he was friends with school shooters. | ||
| Let's turn now to the top contributor. | ||
| No corrections. | ||
| Inflation. | ||
| The high cost of housing and rent. | ||
| There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States and that contributes to the high housing prices. | ||
| Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit. | ||
| They also promise to build 3 million new homes. | ||
| Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher? | ||
| No, it's not handing out. | ||
| We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity. | ||
| It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around. | ||
| Those are not folks living in those houses. | ||
| Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal. | ||
| I bought and owned one house in my life. | ||
| My mom still lives in the house where I was and when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family. | ||
| We need to make it more affordable. | ||
| And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead. | ||
| We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing. | ||
| It starts to make it easier. | ||
| We cut some of the red tape. | ||
| Local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make it easier to build those homes. | ||
| And then that down payment assistance. | ||
| I can tell all of you out there, one of the Certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing, but a Veteran's Home Loan? | ||
| The big thing about a Veteran's Home Loan is you don't have to pay the down payment. | ||
| Those are things that make it better. | ||
| You earn not having to pay the down payment. | ||
| And you're going to pay your mortgage. | ||
| Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it. | ||
| And I will give Minneapolis an example. | ||
| Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates. | ||
| We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in. | ||
| And we're implementing a state program to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance. | ||
| We get it back from people. | ||
| Because here's what we know. | ||
| People with stable housing end up with stable jobs. | ||
| People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school. | ||
| All of those things in the long run end up saving our money. | ||
| And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in. | ||
| But we can't blame Immigrants, for the only reason, that's not the case that's happening in many cities. | ||
| The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough naturally affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base. | ||
| Governor, your time is up. | ||
| Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices. | ||
| Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising, and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with. | ||
| We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim. | ||
| Twenty five million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country. | ||
| It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership. | ||
| Now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas. | ||
| Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree with. | ||
| But the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics. | ||
| She is the sitting vice president. | ||
| If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable. | ||
| Now you asked Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens if you lower energy prices? | ||
| As Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill. | ||
| One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal immigration is think about it. | ||
| If a truck driver is paying 40 percent more for diesel than the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive. | ||
| If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens. | ||
| Not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods, too. | ||
| Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there. | ||
| Do you want to answer? | ||
| Can I have it? | ||
| We will get to you in a moment. | ||
| Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands? | ||
| Can you clarify? | ||
| Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything. | ||
| They're not being used for a national park. | ||
| They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing. | ||
| And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country. | ||
| We have a lot of land that could be used. | ||
| We have a lot of Americans that need homes. | ||
| We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here. | ||
| Senator, your time is up. | ||
| Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the Vice President is letting in migrants. | ||
| Of course that's not true. | ||
| And again, you have the facts. | ||
| I guess we agreed not to fact check. | ||
| I'll check it. | ||
| Look, crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office. | ||
| But it's again, Blaming and not trying to find a solution. | ||
| I was going to ask on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land? | ||
| And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land. | ||
| Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands. | ||
| I know in the western part of the countries we do. | ||
| There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example. | ||
| So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this, and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks, And our federal lands. | ||
| Look, Minnesota, we protect these things. | ||
| We've got about 20% of the world's fresh water. | ||
| These lands protect. | ||
| They're there for a reason. | ||
| They belong to all of us. | ||
| But again, this is when you view housing and you view these things as commodities. | ||
| Like, there's a chance to make money here. | ||
| Let's take this federal land and let's sell it to people for that. | ||
| I think there's better ways to do this. | ||
| We've seen it in Minnesota. | ||
| We're able to refurbish some of these houses. | ||
| We're able to make some investments. | ||
| That gets people in. | ||
| And I'm still on the fact on this. | ||
| Economists. | ||
| Senator Vance, you said you don't like the economists. | ||
| Which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost? | ||
| Governor, Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify. | ||
| There are many contributing factors to high housing costs. | ||
| What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem? | ||
| Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate. | ||
| We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration, and higher housing prices. | ||
| Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices. | ||
| It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris. | ||
| Look, we are a country of builders. | ||
| We're a country of doers. | ||
| We're a country of explorers. | ||
| But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do. | ||
| And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes. | ||
| I actually agree with Tim Walz. | ||
| We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here. | ||
| What are the federal regulations? | ||
| I deal with this as a governor. | ||
| You can very quickly reply. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| You're not prepared? | ||
| I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily disagree with that. | ||
| That in some cases, many of those are local, many of them are state. | ||
| I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they can get rid of them. | ||
| I think you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire. | ||
| I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things. | ||
| So which are the regulations? | ||
| Because the vice president's not responsible for those. | ||
| Congress writes those. | ||
| Governor, thank you. | ||
| Gentlemen, we have a lot to get through. | ||
| You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell. | ||
| Nora? | ||
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Thank you. | |
| One of the top problems facing Americans is the high cost of health care. | ||
| Senator Vance, at the last presidential debate, former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act. | ||
| In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan. | ||
| Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance. | ||
| Can you explain how that would work? | ||
| And can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| We're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions. | ||
| In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten healthcare. | ||
| I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership. | ||
| And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark Look, it's very simple common sense. | ||
| I think as Tim Walz knows from 12 years in Congress, you're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage. | ||
| It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation. | ||
| Now, when Donald Trump was actually president, and again, he has a record to be proud of, prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time under Kamala Harris's leadership. | ||
| Prescription drugs are up about 7%. | ||
| Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about 1.5%. | ||
| He introduced pricing transparency. | ||
| Think about healthcare. | ||
| You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs. | ||
| That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit more choice and will also drive down costs. | ||
| And we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about. | ||
| Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill, but the non chronically ill, it's not just a plan. | ||
| He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States. | ||
| And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along. | ||
| I think this is an important point about President Trump. | ||
| Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program. | ||
| Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care. | ||
| It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do. | ||
| But I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies. | ||
| He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time. | ||
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Governor? | |
| All right, here's where being an old guy gives you some history. | ||
| I was there at the creation of the ACA. | ||
| And the reason it was so important is I come from a major healthcare state, home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those. | ||
| We understand healthcare. | ||
| It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of healthcare. | ||
| And so what I know is under Kamala Harris, More people are covered than they have before. | ||
| Those of you listening, this is critical to you. | ||
| Now, Donald Trump all of a sudden wants to go back and remember this. | ||
| He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare. | ||
| On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA. | ||
| He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA, but lost at the Supreme Court. | ||
| And he would have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill. | ||
| Now fast forward, what that means to you is you lose your pre-existing conditions. | ||
| If you're sitting at home and you got asthma, too bad. | ||
| If you're a woman, probably not. | ||
| Broke your foot during football? | ||
| Might kick you out. | ||
| Your kids get kicked out when they're 26. | ||
| Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare. | ||
| We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there. | ||
| But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that. | ||
| But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a con. | ||
| Because what he explained is pre-Obama. | ||
| I'll make it as simple as possible, because I have done this for a long time. | ||
| What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more? | ||
| So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure, because guess what happens? | ||
| You pay your premium, it's not much. | ||
| They figure they're not going to have to pay out to you. | ||
| But those of you a little older, gray, You know, got cancer? | ||
| You're going to get kicked out of it. | ||
| That's why the system didn't work. | ||
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ConvLink pairs will protect and enhance the ACA. | |
| Governor, thank you. | ||
| Senator, you have not yet explained how you would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan. | ||
| Look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with pre-existing conditions. | ||
| We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better. | ||
| Now what Governor Walz just said is actually not true. | ||
| A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight is a lot of young and healthy people leaving the exchanges. | ||
| Donald Trump actually helped address that problem and he did so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions. | ||
| But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue. | ||
| But in reality, Donald Trump was president. | ||
| Inflation was low, take home pay was higher, and he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership. | ||
| He did his job, which is govern, in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them. | ||
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Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration? | |
| It's higher now that we've seen it go up. | ||
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Look, people are using it. | |
| The system works. | ||
| And the question about this of young people or whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this. | ||
| And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this. | ||
| So you think the individual mandate is a good idea? | ||
| I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's the only way insurance works. | ||
| When it doesn't, it collapses. | ||
| You are asking pre-ACA where we get people out. | ||
| Look, people know that they need to be on healthcare. | ||
| People expect it to be there. | ||
| And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, when we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then when you get sick and old, it's there for you. | ||
| Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever. | ||
| Good luck buying health care once you get past 70. | ||
| So look, the ACA works. | ||
| We can continue to do better. | ||
| Kamala Harris did that. | ||
| The way she made everything better was negotiating those 10 drugs on Medicare for the first time in American history. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Individual mandate was brutal, I remember that. | ||
| Talk about families in America. | ||
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There is a child care crisis in this country. | |
| And the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world Without a national paid leave program for new parents. | ||
| Governor Walz, you've said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you. | ||
| How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Yeah, well that's negotiable and that's what Congress worked, but here's what the deal is. | ||
| Americans sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company. | ||
| Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies. | ||
| Kamala Harris knows that in California. | ||
| Those companies provide paid family medical leave. | ||
| One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy. | ||
| We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave. | ||
| You have a child, you And I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born. | ||
| This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time. | ||
| What we know is that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that. | ||
| So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. | ||
| We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth. | ||
| That's how you become a pro-business state. | ||
| But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue, those big companies are able to offer it, Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick. | ||
| We know what happens. | ||
| You end up staying home. | ||
| In some places, that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that. | ||
| This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us. | ||
| He's willing to give those Tax breaks to the wealthiest. | ||
| He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever. | ||
| What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us. | ||
| And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them. | ||
| As far as child care on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side. | ||
| You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take care of our children, Or our parents, to get paid the least amount of money. | ||
| And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business, and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. | ||
| We were able to do it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this. | ||
| We were listed as the best state, we're still in crisis on this. | ||
| A federal program, a paid family medical leave, and help with this, will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want. | ||
| It's sort of irrelevant. | ||
| Governor, your time is up. | ||
| Senator, do you support a national paid leave program? | ||
| And if so, for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn? | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats too have worked on this issue. | ||
| I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue. | ||
| I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids, but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator and I'm so proud of her. | ||
| But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extraordinarily difficult. | ||
| And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective. | ||
| She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company. | ||
| But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I think, makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want. | ||
| A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately. | ||
| Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids. | ||
| Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids. | ||
| We should have a family care model that makes choice possible. | ||
| I think this is a very important substantive difference. | ||
| I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have that support paid family leave right now, the community development block grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government. | ||
| These programs only go to one kind of childcare model. | ||
| Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you out with childcare. | ||
| Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood to provide childcare in the way that makes the most sense. | ||
| You don't get access to any of these federal monies. | ||
| We want to make a choice on how we deliver family care and how we promote child care is unacceptable. | ||
| And, you know, of course, Sam and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks. | ||
| And one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care of their kids. | ||
| That is an incredible burden to put on American families. | ||
| We're the only country that does it. | ||
| I think we could do a heck of a lot better. | ||
| Senator, thank you. | ||
| You have also said, Senator Vance, many things about the American family. | ||
| The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do on housing each month. | ||
| So I want to get your thoughts on this. | ||
| President Trump recently said... | ||
| As much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in. | ||
| Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described? | ||
| You have one minute. | ||
| Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers. | ||
| It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan. | ||
| Cut taxes for American workers and American families. | ||
| Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America but penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas. | ||
| That's the heart of the economic proposal. | ||
| And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families. | ||
| Excellent answer. | ||
| Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage? | ||
| Well because as Tim said a lot of the child care shortages we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options and we're gonna have to unfortunately look we're gonna have to spend more money we're gonna have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for American families because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service. | ||
| Thank you, Senator. | ||
| Governor Walz, your ticket also has some child care tax credit proposals. | ||
| Why do her eyes look red? | ||
| Do you think Congress will allow $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign has promised? | ||
| Is that realistic? | ||
| Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you. | ||
| And this is the biggest issue. | ||
| Everybody listening tonight knows. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive. | ||
| And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000, that pays you about three or four months. | ||
| Let's be clear of where we're at on this. | ||
| It's because we got out of an imbalance on this. | ||
| We thought we were going to get by by not paying people. | ||
| I don't think Senator Vance and I are that far apart. | ||
| I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options. | ||
| We've done scholarship types of things. | ||
| I think we need to be open to making the case. | ||
| The issue here is, the question you asked is, you're not going to pay for it with these tariffs. | ||
| That's just adding another $4,000 on the family and taking less. | ||
| So not only do they not get the money to pay for that, they're $4,000 in the hole. | ||
| That's Wharton School. | ||
| That's his alma mater. | ||
| And so I think the issue here is, if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not, when I go to businesses, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime. | ||
| Governor, thank you. | ||
| We need to move on. | ||
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Nora? | |
| Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation. | ||
| especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce. | ||
| Governor, thank you. | ||
| We need to move on. | ||
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Nora, let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation. | |
| After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results. | ||
| Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud. | ||
| Governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th. | ||
| Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors. | ||
| That has been called unconstitutional and illegal. | ||
| Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results even if every governor certifies the results? | ||
| I'll give you two minutes. | ||
| Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future. | ||
| We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on. | ||
| But I want to answer your question because you did ask it. | ||
| Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020. | ||
| And my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in the public square. | ||
| And that's all I've said. | ||
| And that's all that Donald Trump has said. | ||
| Remember, he said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully. | ||
| And on January the 20th, what happened? | ||
| Joe Biden became the president. | ||
| Donald Trump left the White House. | ||
| And now, of course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris Biden administration. | ||
| I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country. | ||
| But unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about. | ||
| It is the threat of censorship. | ||
| It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics. | ||
| It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens. | ||
| And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation. | ||
| I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years. | ||
| Now I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue-collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr. | ||
| Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition. | ||
| Of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue. We don't have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences. We ought to argue about them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans. Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did it during COVID. She's done it. | ||
| number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January the 6th. Governor? Well I've enjoyed tonight's debate and I think there was a lot of commonality here and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things and I think I'm ready to go. | ||
| If we can get out of here, that'd be great. | ||
| Me too, Mayor. | ||
| There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story. | ||
| Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up. | ||
| He was very clear. | ||
| I mean, he lost this election, and he said he didn't. | ||
| A hundred and forty police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day. | ||
| Some with the American flag. | ||
| Several later died. | ||
| And it wasn't just in there. | ||
| In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in St. | ||
| Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's residence and there may be casualties. | ||
| The only person there was my son and his dog who was rushed out crying by state police. | ||
| That issue, and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence. | ||
| Mike Pence made the right decision. | ||
| So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over and over. | ||
| I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election. | ||
| You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win. | ||
| That's what was at stake here. | ||
| Now, the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that Imprisoning your political opponents. | ||
| Already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this. | ||
| And a president's words matter. | ||
| A president's words matter. | ||
| People hear that. | ||
| So, I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history, That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power. | ||
| And here we are four years later in the same boat. | ||
| I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner. | ||
| This has got to stop. | ||
| It's tearing our country apart. | ||
| Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, look, Tim. | ||
| First of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country. | ||
| We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election. | ||
| And of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win. | ||
| But if Tim Walz is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it. | ||
| But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections. | ||
| Hillary Clinton, in 2016, said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads. | ||
| This has been going on for a long time. | ||
| If we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board. | ||
| But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that. | ||
| January 6 was not Facebook ads and I think a revisionist history on this. | ||
| Look, I don't understand how we got to this point, but the issue was that happened. Donald Trump can you do it? And all of us say there's no place for this. | ||
| It has massive repercussions. This idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing, threatening to kill someone. | ||
| Threatening to do something? | ||
| That's not censorship. | ||
| Censorship is book banning. | ||
| We've seen that. | ||
| We've seen that brought up. | ||
| I just think for everyone tonight, and I'm going to thank Senator Vance, I think this is the conversation they want to hear. | ||
| And I think there's a lot of agreement. | ||
| This is one that we are miles apart on. | ||
| This was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen. | ||
| And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say. | ||
| He is still saying he didn't lose the election. | ||
| I would just ask that. | ||
| Did he lose the 2020 election? | ||
| Tim, I'm focused on the future. | ||
| Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation? | ||
| That is a damning non-answer. | ||
| It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship. | ||
| Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020. | ||
| We've talked about it. | ||
| I'm happy to talk about it further, but you guys attack us for not believing in democracy. | ||
| The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the first amendment. | ||
| You yourself have said there's no first right to misinformation. | ||
| Kamala Harris wants to threaten the power of the government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds. | ||
| That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment. | ||
| I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship. | ||
| Let's persuade one another. | ||
| Let's argue about ideas and then let's come together. | ||
| Afterwards, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. | ||
| Yes, you can! | ||
| That's the test. | ||
| Fire in a crowded theater. | ||
| You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks. | ||
| Fire in a crowded theater. | ||
| You can yell! | ||
| That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American. | ||
| Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you. | ||
| I don't run Facebook. | ||
| What I do know is, is I see a candidate out there who refused, and now again, and I'm pretty shocked by this, he lost the election. | ||
| This is not a debate. | ||
| It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world. | ||
| Because look, when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage. | ||
| What I'm concerned about is, where is the firewall with Donald Trump? | ||
| Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election, and his vice president's not gonna stand to it? | ||
| That's what we're asking you, America. | ||
| Will you stand up? | ||
| Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't? | ||
| And I think Kamala Harris would agree. | ||
| She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that. | ||
| Because of course that's what we would do. | ||
| So America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's gonna honor that democracy and who's gonna honor Donald Trump. | ||
| Governor, your time is up. | ||
| Thank you gentlemen. | ||
| We will be right back with both of our candidates, the CBS News vice presidential debate. | ||
| This should be the closing statements coming up, I presume. | ||
| Friends, I will tell you this. | ||
| I strongly implore you, please don't yell fire at a crowded theater, but it in fact is legally protected speech. | ||
| Brandenburg v. Ohio 1969 overturned Schneck v. United States, and you can only restrict speech if it creates a threat of imminent lawless action. | ||
| Thus, a person in a crowded theater who yells fire isn't doing that, and that is incorrect on the part of Waltz. | ||
| The guy's clearly floundered. | ||
| I mean, look, man, I am more impressed with J.D. | ||
| Vance than I thought I would be. | ||
| I was calling him vanilla yogurt. | ||
| No, now he's fresh flan made by a abuelita right in a home-cooked kitchen. | ||
| It is masterful. | ||
| He's way better than flan, Tim. | ||
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I mean, I wouldn't turn it down. | |
| No, that's legit. | ||
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I thought Pence was impressive when he debated Kamala, but yeah, J.D. | |
| Vance is on another level. | ||
| You know what he did that really impressed me? | ||
| Was he made sure to catch any manipulation. | ||
| So he said something to the effect of, well, now you've got Democrats doing this thing. | ||
| And of course, I'm talking about the Democratic leadership. | ||
| That catch, and he's done it several times, was because they were going to come around and go, he accused voters of doing this thing. | ||
| They would try and manipulate what he was saying. | ||
| Masterfully done over and over again. | ||
| I am deeply impressed. | ||
| Tim Waltz! | ||
| I gotta hand it to him. | ||
| He is likable. | ||
| He is. | ||
| That's what the Twitter is saying right now. | ||
| He's a likable guy. | ||
| He's a doofy guy. | ||
| But he floundered quite a bit. | ||
| He stuttered quite a bit. | ||
| And when Vance was like, you got a tough job trying to reconcile Kamala's record here, you're a nice guy, that's it. | ||
| That pretty much hit the whack-a-mole on the head. | ||
| But what's funny is I'm sure there's a lot of American people right now who are like, I wish they were the presidential candidates. | ||
| Yes, I think there are. This gives me a little bit of like the Mitt Romney, Obama era where like they came out and one of them made a joke like, and I of course want to thank the First Lady for allowing you to be here on like your anniversary or something. | ||
| Like, sort of this weird camaraderie. | ||
| We're in—we don't agree, but we're in this unique position, whatever. | ||
| And I think there is some of that here. | ||
| Apparently, Wahl's debate prepped with Pete Buttigieg, and Davey Vance prepped with, I think, Tom Emmer. | ||
| Tom Emmer and his wife. | ||
| Oh, that's smart. | ||
| Debate prepping with your wife is smart because she knows all your buttons. | ||
| The thing that's great too is Vance hasn't gone after Waltz personally at all. | ||
| He's been a real gentleman about the whole thing and I think that that really shows a lot of class and also it makes it so that Waltz doesn't have to look like a scoundrel himself. | ||
| Waltz is able to walk out of the stage with his head held high, frankly. | ||
| When Vance was asked about 2020 and his immediate reaction was, we're focused on the future. | ||
| I'm cheering because I have been begging Trump to say this. | ||
| Like, I understand we've got to focus on the future. | ||
| Those are issues that happen, but I care about... And then he did! | ||
| And then it is the utmost skill and integrity when he says, but you asked the question, so I will answer it. | ||
| Man, how often do we talk about politicians vamping, pattering, or trying to jump the questions? | ||
| And he kept saying, I'm going to give you an answer. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And now what you asked me, and then he answers it. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| I respect that, too. | ||
| That's the kind of thing Vivek does, too. | ||
| Vivek always answers the question. | ||
| I respect that a lot. | ||
| I think it was really smart for the Trump campaign to bring Vivek on as, like, you know, a consultant and advisor, because he's had a lot of good ideas. | ||
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I mean, politicians always want to answer in their own way, answer the question that wasn't asked, put themselves out there, but then, of course, you want to come back to the question eventually, whereas Kamala never does that. | |
| No, you're right. | ||
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Wallace never does that. | |
| Look at the first question, would you support a preemptive strike? | ||
| And he just goes, he just, he just patters. | ||
| And then he asked JD Vance and JD Vance is like, well, the question was this. | ||
| And he goes, if Israel knows what's best for their defense and we're going to support them in the best way that makes sense. | ||
| And it's going to be Israel's decision. | ||
| I'm like, I don't know what else you say. | ||
| Like, hey, we're not Israel. | ||
| They're going to figure out what matters. | ||
| I thought that was a really great answer. | ||
| Yeah, I thought it was a really good answer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Vance has had a lot of really good ones. | ||
| I really liked how he basically redefined the term gun violence in America. | ||
| I mean, I think that has been only tagged to school shootings when he is totally right. | ||
| Inner city shootings do not get the coverage they should. | ||
| I think that he did a really good job by making- We're back. | ||
| We're back. | ||
| Closing statements. | ||
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Welcome back to the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate. | |
| It is now time for the closing statement. | ||
| Senator Vance won the virtual coin toss and elected to go last. | ||
| So, Governor Walz, you are first. | ||
| You have two minutes. | ||
| Well, thank you, Senator Vance. | ||
| Thank you to CBS News. | ||
| And most importantly, Thank you to all of you. | ||
| If you're still up and the folks who missed Dancing with the Stars, I appreciate it. | ||
| But look, the support of the democracy matters. | ||
| It matters that you're here. | ||
| And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built. | ||
| From Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift. | ||
| and a whole bunch of other people. | ||
| And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people. | ||
| They believe in a positive future of this country and one where our politics can be better than it is. | ||
| And I have to tell you, that better than it is is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone. | ||
| Not just to get by, but to get ahead. | ||
| And the idea that freedom really means something. | ||
| Not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself. | ||
| Now look, we all know who Donald Trump is. | ||
| He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that. | ||
| His first inaugural address talked about American carnage. | ||
| And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that. | ||
| Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda. | ||
| He will continue to push down that road. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Kamala Harris gives us a different option. | ||
| Now I'll have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate with me. | ||
| He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid. | ||
| A lot of America feels that way. | ||
| We don't need to be afraid. | ||
| Franklin Roosevelt was right. | ||
| All we have to fear is fear itself. | ||
| Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward. | ||
| She's bringing us a politics of joy. | ||
| She's bringing real solutions for the middle class. | ||
| And she's centering you at the heart of that. | ||
| All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive. | ||
| I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris. | ||
| Governor Walz, thank you. | ||
| Senator Vance, your closing statement. | ||
| I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening. | ||
| One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy. | ||
| And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight. | ||
| And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night. | ||
| That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies. | ||
| I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family. | ||
| That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. | ||
| I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house. | ||
| You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods. | ||
| You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl. | ||
| And that, too, has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. | ||
| Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed. | ||
| She's been the vice president for three and a half years. | ||
| Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse. | ||
| Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world. | ||
| I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family. | ||
| What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world. | ||
| But they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington. | ||
| They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years. | ||
| We need change. | ||
| We need a new direction. | ||
| We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well. | ||
| Please vote for Donald Trump. | ||
| And whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you. | ||
| God bless you and good night. | ||
| Senator Vance, thank you. | ||
| And thank you both for participating in the only vice-presidential debate of this election. | ||
| See you later, CBS. | ||
| Look, I know a lot of people are ragging on CBS, but I actually respect them for calling out Tim Walz. | ||
| The fact check was bunk when they were like, actually, they're legal. | ||
| But then J.D. | ||
| Vance did exactly what I was saying Trump should have done, interject and step in. | ||
| And he did. | ||
| And he said, no, no, this is an app. | ||
| And he explained it. | ||
| And they cut his mic. | ||
| They cut his mic over again. | ||
| But we heard the end of that cut mic and it was brilliant. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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You agreed to no fact checking. | |
| So now I'm going to lay into you. | ||
| And they had slipped this comment that scientists agree that the climate is getting hotter or something too. | ||
| Like he did let one slide. | ||
| He didn't come off as like this aggressive, you know, whatever. | ||
| They're all shaking hands. | ||
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There you go. | |
| His wife looks great, look at that cranberry dress. | ||
| And I gotta be honest, like, I'm gonna say it again, Tim Walz is a likable guy. | ||
| He absolutely is. | ||
| Kamala Harris is not. | ||
| She's a cackle-y-a. | ||
| She's way more likely than, like, yeah. | ||
| And this, it warms my heart, the way they were being polite, shaking their hands. | ||
| JD Vance was an excellent choice. | ||
| I think Shapiro was still a better choice than Waltz, but I appreciate how this went down politely, and I hope for that more in the future. | ||
| But let's just say this. | ||
| Look, we watched Trump v. Biden. | ||
| Biden was so bad, he was removed. | ||
| We watched Trump and Kamala. | ||
| And I think most of us, I mean, me especially, we said Trump got flustered, Kamala attacked him emotionally. | ||
| However, Kamala also did articulate her plans. | ||
| In this one, I think it's clear and cut. | ||
| J.D. | ||
| Vance, 10 out of 10. | ||
| Tim Walz, 4 out of 10. | ||
| The people that I'm seeing on Tim Walsh's side on Twitter right now, their opinions are based on the fact that they don't understand what were lies and what were facts. | ||
| I'm not even talking about that. | ||
| I mean, we can, but I'm talking about how, in terms of debate style, J.D. | ||
| Vance clarifying who he's talking about. | ||
| On style alone. | ||
| On style, when he was asked about 2020, he said, we've got to focus on the future. | ||
| Tim Walz sidestepped too many questions. | ||
| He flubbed and flustered and stuttered a little bit. | ||
| J.D. | ||
| Vance did a couple times, but Tim Walz was doing it incessantly. | ||
| And Walz was clearly not prepared for a calm and stoic J.D. | ||
| Vance giving these responses. | ||
| I think J.D. | ||
| Vance wins this one, no question, on any reasonable measure. | ||
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Even from a purely objective perspective, I mean, Tim Walz does have a hell of a job. | |
| Harrison, who would do a better job? | ||
| I will say one thing that J.D. | ||
| Vance has been slammed a lot by feminists and women saying like, oh, you hate women or whatever. | ||
| And he went out there and he said, my wife is an extremely powerful corporate attorney. | ||
| She's amazing at it. | ||
| And I'm and he's obviously super supportive of her and proud of her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| and proud of their family and obviously is a very supportive and loving husband and I thought that that was, that really came, came. | ||
| He spoke respectfully to the female moderators. | ||
| I mean, there was no point about the way that he discussed anything that seemed anti-woman to me. | ||
| I think what's interesting is that Walls did better than Harris, like even though he was flustered, he didn't do well in delivering a coherent message, but generally seemed more earnest at times than Harris ever did in any performance. | ||
| I mean, I wonder now if Walls is looking at this ticket like, I have locked myself onto someone who is going to sink my potential political career. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, we're going to start to wrap things up. | ||
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| Mark, do you want to shout anything out? | ||
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Just follow Republicans for National Renewal at RNRenewal on X. WeThePrecinct on Instagram. | |
| Me, Marc Iovagno on X. Appreciate you all for tuning in, and thank you for having me, Tim. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
| Yeah, thanks for having me, man. | ||
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| Right on. | ||
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| Vance, I'm proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you. |
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