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tim pool
Now I know y'all saw that debate that I saw and I gotta tell ya, JD Vance cooked Tim Waltz
Now, originally I said he crushed him, but I was informed by Gen Z that you gotta use the young man's language, Gen Z slang, so cooked is what we say now.
Okay, Tim Walz got cooked by J.D. Vance.
Independent voters favoring J.D. Vance.
But it is surprising that there are many polls showing it's basically neck and neck, that people actually liked Tim Walz, despite the fact he got called out for lying.
Several times. And he said he was friends with school shooters.
I'm not making it up. It's not an exaggeration.
He didn't misspeak.
Not that I cannot fathom what he was trying to say.
The dude literally said he is friends with school shooters.
And when two reporters came up later and said, Mr.
Governor, can you clarify what you meant by this?
He ignores them.
A reporter asks again, what did you mean you're friends with school shooters?
And he does not answer.
I can only assume he is.
So we'll talk about the political ramifications and the fallout.
There's some really funny articles where Politico is trying to claim that women don't like beards.
I'm sorry, ladies. Politico says beards are bad.
And then they say that Tim Walts' wide eyes where he looks like, I don't even know how to describe it, a clown.
They say that it's actually good because it makes people think that he's attentive.
So we'll talk about all this stuff.
Plus, we got a whole lot of debate coverage.
Israel stories are coming up as well.
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unidentified
Great to be here. Thanks for having me. Who are you?
What do you do? So I'm the editor of the Republic Sentinel.
We are a conservative news and commentary outlet owned and operated by Christians.
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tim pool
Right on. We also got Mario Knopfel.
unidentified
Tim, thanks for having me.
tim pool
It's great to have you. Who are you?
unidentified
What do you do? I host the biggest show on X. So I talk everything U.S., global politics.
So I know we're talking about Israel later on.
We're talking about the debate. So it should be a good chat.
tim pool
If there is an X space that y'all have heard about, it was this guy.
For real, every time they're like, did you hear about Elon?
Did you hear about this and that? It's always Mario.
He's got the biggest spaces on X. Yeah, man.
unidentified
It's sleepless nice as well this last few months.
tim pool
But thank you for being here. It should be fun.
Raymond is here as well.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes, yes. Thanks for having me. Hello, friends.
It is Raymond. It is I, your homegrown Marine, blue-collar veteran.
So I'm looking forward to talking with you, gentlemen.
tim pool
He's a good hat, by the way. Thank you.
hannah claire brimelow
He's converting voters in his home state of Pennsylvania.
raymond g stanley-jr
I am. We're doing the work.
And before I cut you off, Tim, good news.
I want to wait until we're on air. The screen is going to be here.
It should be Monday or Tuesday next week, early.
tim pool
So we can play video games on a 20-foot screen.
This is fantastic. This is great news.
hannah claire brimelow
You guys have to understand, this is like a boy's paradise.
There's skateboarding. There's a lot of beef jerky.
There are video games.
I think it's a good time. I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm here to co-host tonight.
I'm happy you guys are joining us.
Let's get started. Here we go.
tim pool
From the post-millennial, independents favor J.D. Vance over Tim Waltz after VP debate says CNN of all outlets.
54% of independents said after the debate that Vance did a better job compared to 46% who said the same of Waltz.
The CNN poll conducted by SSRS found these numbers when asked about before the debate.
60% of independents said they thought Kamala's running mate would do a better job in the debate compared to 60% who said the same of Vance.
Those numbers are wrong, by the way, Postman.
You mean 40%. Overall, 51% of registered voters said that Vance did a better job in the debate compared to 49% who said Waltz did a better job.
Before the debate, 54% said Waltz would do better, and 45% said the same of Trump.
We heard this Before the debate yesterday, that the polls were favoring Tim Walz.
Everyone thought he was going to do better.
And as you know, he got cooked.
That's what we're saying. We're saying he got cooked.
And he did. I've got a post for you guys, and I'm going to show you.
This is an actual picture from the debate that was used by Politico.
I'm not kidding. This is a real picture that Politico is using.
I'm just going to say this. For those that are listening, it's a picture of Tim Walz, but he looks like some kind of demon.
hannah claire brimelow
He reminds me of the snake in the Jungle Book that, like, opens its eyes and hypnotizes you.
You know? He does. If he just gets his eyes open wide enough, then the voters will be mystified and believe everything he says.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm part Asian, so I'm kind of jealous.
Oh, Jesus. Am I allowed to say that?
I mean, I am. It's how I feel.
You can't get mad at me, YouTube. I don't know.
What did you guys think? Did you expect this?
unidentified
I'm not sure. I mean, I think it was clear within two minutes that Vance had it.
I mean, the first response from Walls and the second one from Vance, and it was clear it was going to be Vance all night.
tim pool
Yeah. But before it went in, were you like, J.D. Vance, who is this guy?
I mean, I called him Vanilla Pudding.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, I recall, what, two years ago when he ran for Senate for the first time, he was very articulate during that debate, too.
So it wasn't too much of a surprise to see that he dwelt last night.
Yeah. Yeah, I think people are underplaying how important this is, especially how thin the margins are between Trump and Kamala.
I think JD did a really good job in positioning Trump as more of a moderate, and it was a very civil discussion.
They agreed on a lot of points, and I think that was very important to counter what I consider the failure of Trump in the last debate.
So I think it had more of an impact than a lot of people are making it out to be.
tim pool
I agree. You know, but the question is, I see this meme.
It's actually pretty good. It's a Venn diagram and it says people who care enough about politics to watch a VP debate.
And then all the other side, it says undecided voters.
Yes. So how much of the needle is getting moved?
hannah claire brimelow
I think the important thing for undecided voters is that most headlines are struggling to make J.D. Vance the same kind of villain that they often portray Trump as.
I mean, you could tell that Walz was flustered because he expected a really aggressive kind of name throwing, like a Trump light, so to speak, on that stage.
And he didn't get that.
J.E. Vance is very much his own politician.
He's very smooth.
And I think he is effective in explaining his arguments.
I mean, whether that's just because he always has been good at this or because he put the time in during debate prep, he was really able to articulate policies, positions in a way that neither Harris nor Walz could.
And it left Walz really floored.
I mean, Walz was not expecting him to keep going, oh, well, I think the governor and I agree on this.
He made him his friend.
And Tim Walz was prepared to be enemies.
raymond g stanley-jr
I wasn't sure what to expect from J.D. Vance beforehand.
I seen him in a couple of interviews and doing speeches and whatnot, but I didn't know how he was going to hold up in a debate.
And I was very excited and pleasantly pleased that he actually held his own.
He kept looking at the camera when Walsh was making dumb comments.
He's like Brooklyn Fourth Wall.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I just got to say, you know, first, I am very optimistic about 2028.
If Trump and Vance end up winning, Vance looks to be a stable guy who can be that stable guy for the American public that they're looking for in a Trump presidency.
If they win, I feel like they can pull us out of this tailspin.
And then 2028, with J.D. Vance as the head of the Republican Party and taking over this MAGA thing, he proved last night just how incredible he can be on that debate stage and how inspirational he can be.
I'm deeply inspired and impressed by this guy.
I had not seen this before in my lifetime.
I feel like that's the best debate performance I've ever seen.
unidentified
Now, I think it balances out Trump as well.
I think he's going to play a key role in this debate moving forward until 2028.
So I think he was very presidential.
I wasn't too surprised. He's always been more well-spoken than Tim Walz.
He comes from an Ivy League school.
Tim Walz doesn't have that same background.
So I wasn't too surprised.
I think Tim Walz comes from – he's a football coach, as far as I know, from a rural area.
He was an associate coach. I wasn't too surprised JD Vance did so well.
And again, I do think it will balance out Trump's energy or spiciness.
tim pool
Now, as I say this, I was deeply impressed by Vance.
I was actually kind of shocked at how bad Waltz was.
I knew he was a nervous wreck.
The news reports that he was having panic attacks.
But ladies and gentlemen, You're going to have to help me out with this one.
Guys, I genuinely mean this.
Please, please help me.
Tim Waltz says, I've become friends with school shooters in weird debate moment.
tim walz
Here you go. I've become friends with school shooters.
I've seen it. Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.
They used to teach gun safety.
tim pool
Well, let me play that again for you guys.
tim walz
So I've become friends with school shooters.
I've seen it. Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.
tim pool
Okay, one more time because I know you at home are like, this has got to be AI. There's no way he said this.
tim walz
I've become friends with school shooters.
I've seen it. Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.
tim pool
Okay, I don't understand.
I'm confused. I'm lost.
hannah claire brimelow
He hasn't clarified, right?
tim pool
No, and this is disqualifying.
Done. Out. Really?
It's disqualifying. Look.
Let's try and be as nice as we can what did he mean by this and I'm sitting here thinking like Could he have meant I have become friends with the families of the victims of school shooters But look misspeaking is not Ripping out a huge portion of the sentence if he said I've become friends with school snoozers. I'd like oh he misspoke He meant something else, but he said he's friends with school shooters You don't accidentally misspeak missing several words.
And here's, look at this, from the Daily Mail.
Look at this, look at this.
unidentified
Governor, you said you'd become friends with school shooters during the debate.
Can you clarify what you meant on that?
Can you clarify what you meant when you said you'd be friends with school shooters?
raymond g stanley-jr
Ignoring it. No!
unidentified
Why did you say you were in Hong Kong?
tim pool
What? The moderators didn't ask him follow-ups.
He just said it, and they were like, okay.
unidentified
It seems like an easy layup.
You just clarify. I meant the families of school shooters or something, and then you're done.
The families of school shooters? I think he did clarify.
It just came out now.
Yeah, not long ago. He says, I was talking about meeting people that came on the hill.
I was talking about meeting people where there are school shooters and I need to be more specific on that.
But I am passionate about this.
This one for my wife and I is just a teacher's appearance.
It's so personal. So that's came from the hill.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, this just seems like a typical waltz dodge, right?
like 24 hours later, he's finally like, I'm gonna say I met people who were impacted by school shooting.
He could have in the moment said whatever he actually meant.
tim pool
Here it is, we did get it pulled up.
Thank you for that clarification, Mario.
He says, I was talking about meeting people where there are school shooters, and I need to be more specific on that.
What?
But I am passionate about this.
This one for my wife and I is just, as teachers, as parents, it's so personal.
He didn't clarify anything.
I was talking about meeting people where there are school shooters.
raymond g stanley-jr
So he goes out in town and goes to school shooters.
hannah claire brimelow
Underneath it says, Walsh noted that he met members of Congress with parents with, as a member of Congress, met with the parents of children killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting.
tim pool
And I get that because I'm like, there's no way he literally meant that.
Maybe he said, maybe he meant like he went to a jail and like met one of these kids and was trying to understand why they were so distraught or whatever the issue was.
hannah claire brimelow
Saying he's friends with David Hogg who survived a school shooting?
tim pool
He's calling David Hogg a school shooter.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the thing.
He didn't say those who have survived are the victims of school shootings.
tim pool
He said a school shooter.
What do you mean more specific? You said you've become friends with school shooters.
More specific? You made a declarative statement.
Like, which school shooters?
More specific would be which shooters.
So if he said, I misspoke and I meant something else, the dude misspeaks quite a bit.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, he already used misspoke.
He said he misspoke when he claimed to have been at Tiananmen Square, and so he can't just use misspoke again.
He likes to space them out.
Sometimes he says the media gets him wrong, and other times he says, what was it last night?
Like, I'm not very articulate.
That's one of his favorites.
My wife says I have bad grammar.
Remember that was his explanation for, like, claiming he went through IVF? I eat white guy tacos.
raymond g stanley-jr
What a joke. Wow.
tim pool
Look, I get it. We all assumed that maybe he was trying to say friends with the victims of.
But this guy, I will tell you right now, I still feel like it's disqualifying and more in an opinion and biased sense than like an actual legal.
Come on, of course not. But I'm saying, bro, if you want to be the vice president and you accidentally say you're friends with school shooters, this falls into the same camp as when Joe Biden called Syria Libya.
And he was at a G7 meeting and he's saying something about our operation, our military in Libya and things like this.
And it's like, you know, if you're in the situation room and you tell everybody we need military action in Libya and they say, you sure?
And he's like, yes, OK. And you meant the wrong country.
That matters. And if you're vice president and you say something like this.
I can't imagine what's going to happen when he says this.
I'm imagining someone in the administration and he says, let's go help out these school shooters or something.
And then they're like, can you clarify that for me?
Did you mean he's like, no. They're like, okay.
No, I meant the families.
If he's going to misspeak to this degree, refuse to clarify it, then give some really weak response.
I'm just like, dude, you're not ready for this job.
unidentified
Yeah, I think I'm a bit confused why he didn't clarify it the first time around.
When they asked him, did he just ignore them?
Did he ignore the reporters the first time they asked him?
tim pool
He got asked twice and he ignores them.
Yeah. He could have just been like, excuse me?
I'm sorry. Well, I must have made a mistake.
I meant to say. And that would have been it.
It would have been over. And everyone would be like, we get it.
But the ignoring it made a whole day news cycle of him saying these things.
The long story short of this, this dude got cooked by J.D. Vance.
hannah claire brimelow
Cooked. Cooked. And he wasn't prepared to offer a counter defense that wasn't just based on personal attacks.
I think you saw that throughout the debate.
He would give these statements like Donald Trump did this and you should be scared of the things they're going to do.
Very negative. And then you would get these very calm...
Sort of respectful answers that didn't agree or sometimes did point out where they had common ground from J.D. Vance, who just seemed to be in his element.
I mean, Walls really wanted it to be about name-calling and he never got that chance and therefore he did not know how to counter what was going on.
He even got hostile with the moderators at one point and J.D. Vance never did, even though he's theoretically the one who's like anti-woman or whatever.
unidentified
Just going back to the comment as well.
Elon did make an interesting point.
He said I think there's a – he was surprised that he didn't get fact-checked.
So Musk said mind-blowing that Tim Walsh said he was friends with school shooters.
Fine. He's clarified that.
But he said he didn't even get fact-checked.
That's good. Which kind of goes back to the point that J.D. Vance was fact-checked and he responded pretty well to it.
tim pool
Well, but I'll say this.
In terms of political strategy, J.D. Vance masterclass.
I'll tell you this. J.D. Vance ignoring that Tim Woltz said this was the smartest move he could make.
So when your opponent says something that is overtly incorrect on the debate stage, if you challenge them, you give them an out.
They immediately respond with, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that.
What I meant to say was this. He says it.
J.D. Vance says, I ain't gonna say nothing.
Why? The news media is gonna stew on this for 24 hours and But if he responds with Governor Walz, you just say you were friends with school shooters.
I don't believe you meant that.
Walz would have said, I'm sorry, the families of the victims.
And then there would have been no story at all.
So letting your opponent make mistakes is huge.
I wonder then about the moderators who called him out for lying about Hong Kong.
He patters for two minutes.
Then they call him. They say, no.
What happened? He's like, I'm a knucklehead and I misspoke.
So they actually pushed back on this.
If they fact-checked him when he said this, they would have been helping him.
They didn't do it. Right.
unidentified
Respect for that. Well, I think J.D. Vance could have also put him on the spot, said, you know, Mr.
Waltz, you want to be vice president.
And like you said, in the Situation Room, you cannot misspeak like this.
You said this, you probably don't remember.
So yeah, two options. I think, not sure which one's better, but not commenting on it lets the media eat it up.
And they did all over the media right now.
I think a lot of these debates are based on vibes.
So I think everybody was expecting an aggressive advance, like you were saying.
But the fact that he was very polished, I think he has a PR background, if I remember correctly, in the military.
So maybe that plays into it. But yeah, so he knew just how to be very polished and polite and to be very...
I think they agreed half a dozen times with various policies that we weren't expecting that.
But if he had... Crack down on walls for something that was clearly just misspeaking, then the voters wouldn't have liked that.
Oh, he's mean, and he hates shoutless cat ladies because he's correcting the moderators, stuff like that.
So I think it was smart for him to back off a little bit and just let everybody else do their own graves.
tim pool
Well, here's where the corporate press is.
Dead even, says Politico.
Their snap poll shows a stark division on the debate.
They're actually saying it's 50-50.
And you know what? Maybe.
CBS says 42% Vance, 41% Tim Walz.
I can't say I'm surprised.
But any reasonable human who watched that debate, I mean, look at the photo they chose.
There's no way that Politico, again, for those that are listening, it's J.D. Vance looking over like a normal dude, and Tim Waltz sitting there like a deer in the headlights with his eye.
I can't even make my eyes that wide.
And the frown he's making, it's weird.
I don't know why they chose that photo, but I feel like any reasonable person who watched the debate would not conclude that Tim Waltz won.
That seems silly to me.
Bias? Democrats? What do you think?
hannah claire brimelow
I think what's interesting is the media has decided – like when I was watching mainstream post breakdowns of this, the thing that they lead with was J.D. Vance struggled to condemn Trump's statements on the last election, right?
That's the thing that they have said.
90 minutes in, that's where Walls finally got him.
But the thing is, for the first 90 minutes, and I would say even after that, Vance ran circles around Walls.
They're saying that Walls being able to say, that's an outright liar, whatever he said, that's the big gotcha moment.
But really, J.D. Vance had Walls on his heels the whole night.
And I think the other point that they're sort of giving to Walls, I don't think totally fairly, is talks about abortion.
Because they're always going to say that the Democrat handled that better.
But I actually think J.D. Vance talking about, we need to win Americans' trust on this issue, and we need to be a full stop pro-family party, was one of the best moments of the debate, and I think of this political season.
I mean, he is really redefining issues that conservatives have struggled to speak about in a way that wins confidence from voters.
unidentified
Right. And I think the risk there is, you know, maybe it appealed to moderates.
That's been the play from the Trump campaign for the past several months is, you know, start to pivot on abortion, go back to, you know, let the states handle it.
But the question is, what kind of effect is it going to have on the pro-life evangelicals and Catholics who show up to the polls?
And basically, there's a huge percentage of evangelicals who show up just to vote against abortion.
And I saw one poll from Barnard that said participation this year from evangelicals is going down from 61% to 50%.
So there's some kind of effect this rhetoric is having.
On the willingness of evangelicals to show up and vote.
And if they think there's not a pro-life candidate, they're not going to do it.
tim pool
Check out this clip. This is going viral.
unidentified
I'm just appalled.
I can't believe this is the country I've lived in for 65 years.
What's happening has to be intentional.
There's no other way to explain what's going on.
When I see the thousands upon thousands of military-age men coming alone without families, there's reasons for red flags.
So yes, the immigration issue is huge.
tim pool
She was asked by Fox following the debate, so this was earlier this morning, what she thought.
Some people in this restaurant said they didn't think that the immigration issue was covered enough.
That was her response.
And I feel like she's correct.
So, you know, there's another great moment where J.D. Vance told Tim Waltz, I feel bad for you.
You've got this really difficult job of trying to explain away the failures of your running mate.
unidentified
A whack-a-mole, I think he said.
tim pool
Yeah, whack-a-mole with these failures.
Three and a half years, nothing got done.
And, you know, when I hear that woman, I agree.
I don't know how Tim Walz is going to explain that away.
I don't know how Kamala Harris is going to explain this away.
It's the biggest elephant in the room for their administration right now or for their campaign.
We see all these problems happening.
They are not solving them.
No one thinks this is—I mean, it feels deeply intentional what they're doing.
I genuinely believe they are allowing illegal immigrants to come in specifically to fill jobs numbers because they're worried about the economy.
The economy is about to implode because of the dock workers' strike, and there's no escape for them on this one.
hannah claire brimelow
I think Americans don't feel safe.
There's this report from AP News that five Chinese nationals were just charged for sneaking onto a military base at night.
They were students at the University of Michigan at the time, or Michigan State University.
And so theoretically, they're here on a student visa.
On the other hand, this concern that, like, we don't know who's coming to the country and we don't know if they're staying, if they're going, if they have good intentions or bad, after...
You know, years and years and years of this compounding, I think that, you know, Americans are really looking for someone who's going to take their concerns seriously, saying, well, if you talk about this, you're racist or you're not compassionate.
That isn't enough for Americans anymore.
I think they're past that point. They want to feel like they're safe in their communities.
tim pool
I think the polls are fake. I think everybody thinks the polls are fake for the most part.
But how could you have people claiming Walt's won this one?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, any rational person who's seen him get flabbergasted, his big ol' eyes.
I mean, they're very passionate eyes, because they're really big and round.
Okay, Politico. But yeah, any rational person who watches that and sees him every minute, every time he talked, get more flabbergasted as the day went on.
unidentified
But you have to understand these debates depend.
It's 90 minutes. It's a VP debate.
I think people are just tired of this.
It all comes down to the gotcha moments that you have.
And in this case, there's, I'd say, two major gotcha moments.
Walt's being questioned about China.
And when he was there and the way he responded was just horrendous.
And the other one is Vance being asked about the 2020 election.
It was a tough question. He couldn't give an answer.
Tim Walz knew that and he put him on the spot.
So I think that gotcha moment played into Tim Walz's hands.
So it could have played a role.
But I don't think it's enough to say Tim Walz was even close to JD Vance in terms of performance.
So that's the only explanation that I have.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think these polls are evidence of confirmation bias?
Do you think the people that were asked went in knowing that they were going to say, you know, Republican or Democrat, that's who I think was?
unidentified
I think the only way those polls would not fall prey to confirmation bias is if there was someone that was, you know, won by a landslide.
That means, you know, I think here that was pretty close.
I think they were both very civil.
They agreed on a lot of points.
I think they showed how...
I wish more politicians would talk as they did, the way they've agreed on multiple things.
It wasn't spicy, no personal attack.
So I appreciate that side of it.
So I'd say JD Vance won, but not 80 to 20.
It was like, what, 60-40 is a good number to you.
And that small margin, relatively small, means that people will fall into confirmation bias and choose...
Who they think...
Who they want to be the winner.
And in this case, a lot of people chose Tim Walz for no good logical reason.
Right. I think a big question too is Vance's image.
So for the past several months, all I've heard from Vance from the mainstream media is he's weird.
You know, there's that... They're basically trying to pin him with all these memes.
You know, he's obsessed with his couch for some reason.
But I think if you actually watch the debate, if you're an undecided voter, he's more presented.
I mean, who do you think looks weirder on that screen?
It's not the guy on the left with the beard who's pretty...
You know, intelligent looking.
It's the guy with the bug eyes who is apparently compassionate or something like that.
So I do wonder what effect this has among independents too.
Again, but the question is how many actually watch it.
Is it that Venn diagram where nobody actually even cares about a vice presidential debate a month out?
Or has everybody made up their mind?
raymond g stanley-jr
I think a lot of folks actually are paying a little more attention than they used to the last couple of times.
You know, this is a huge, huge election.
A lot on the line.
So anyone who's kind of almost interested in politics is definitely going to pay attention.
Because there's only, what, two debates? Yeah, there are very few.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, the thing is, We had that Trump-Biden debate, but that doesn't even really count.
I mean, it was massive. It was a massacre.
But if we are going off a Harris v.
Trump election cycle, there's only one presidential debate.
There's only one VP debate.
So that does add pressure.
You know, what I find myself thinking about is in the last debate with Trump and Harris, I think they had two different objectives.
Like they had two different things they need to accomplish.
And for Kamala Harris, that was selling herself to independent voters as someone with a real personality and real beliefs and also real policies.
And she flaked out on that.
She didn't really give them any specifics.
And in this case, I wonder if Walls and JD Vance had different tasks as well.
Like, yes, they have to talk about the issues.
Yes, they have to counter each other.
But Walls has to fight this idea that he is just this brash, evil, mean man that whatever is going to be out there.
And Walls has to develop kind of a backbone.
And I don't think he did, but I think Vance did define himself on the national stage in a really successful way.
tim pool
I just want to say, because I mentioned this the other night during the debate, that I feel a lot of Americans watched that and wished they were the presidential candidates.
Yes. I like Trump, but I was not an OG Trump guy, and a lot of big Trump supporters are critical of me for that.
But I do think Trump is the better option, and he was a net positive president.
For my lifetime, that's a big deal.
Watching J.D. Vance up there be very nice, and then Tim Walz be nice back, their arguments were...
Minimal. Your policies are wrong.
I'm sorry. I mean, what did he say to Tim Walsh?
He's like, I feel for you.
You got a tough job. He's smiling as he says it.
He's being nice. And that's the kind of politics that I want for this country back.
I do not think Kamala Harris represents that.
I don't. And I don't blame Donald Trump for the media lying about everything he says to paint him in a negative light.
But it is fair to say that Trump can be crass and crude.
So, right now, you know, look, I'm happy for a Trump presidency because I think we need the bull to come into the China shop.
Fine. I can understand people don't like the guy.
But I'm excited for 2028.
If this is what we can get moving forward and they call that Midwestern kindness...
I'm pretty optimistic that we can get things to calm down a little bit.
unidentified
I think it's very important. It does make Trump more presidential having a VP like J.D. Vance.
I think we should really focus on that a bit more.
And I think it will change the sentiment around Trump.
Because one of the main reasons me and Tim were talking about this earlier is that why, despite Elon endorsing Trump, despite Tulsi, despite Kennedy endorsing Trump, the polls are still razor thin.
The margins are razor thin.
One of the reasons people don't see Trump to be presidential enough.
A lot of people hate Trump for that.
And J.D. Vass, I think, will play a key role in improving that image.
tim pool
No question. Let's jump to this from Politico.
I love this. Eight body language tells from the vice presidential debate.
Okay, well, first of all, this is going viral, right?
And the first thing I want to start with is Waltz's wide eyes.
This was lighting up X all day.
Tim Waltz's eyes super just lit up, sure.
Look at that guy. And if you guys want to know what that is, it's this.
For those that are just listening, you can't see it, but you can hear everybody laughing.
It's Tim Waltz's unnaturally wide-open eyes.
I don't quite understand the—look, I'm not trying to be mean.
It is a little crap, but people keep putting cocaine in the chat.
Like, the assumption is that he's on uppers and he's wired— You don't think he gets passionate?
Doesn't look like passion to me.
But Politico says, when Waltz felt especially passionate about something, he'd open his eyes wide as saucers.
Eye-popping can sometimes be a sign of surprise, but for Waltz, it simply revealed his emotional intensity.
Like this moment during an exchange about abortion, the orbicularis oculi muscle, working in concert with the corrugator and frontalis muscles, contract to raise the eyebrows, a dynamic and emphatic facial motion that grabbed the viewer's attention.
Early humans would have made such facial gestures to communicate strong emotions, like danger is close. For Waltz, it gave extra weight to his feelings and held our gaze.
I guarantee you the writer in the newsroom who was instructed by the editor to write that was crying the whole time and they had a bottle of Jack that they were swinging down because they knew what they were writing was the most absurd piece of garbage they've ever been tasked with writing.
hannah claire brimelow
This was written, I think, by a body language expert who apparently has consulted for the FBI. I mean, this is not good.
I actually think this line is pretty telling because as soon as he's like, early humans would have said this was a sign of danger, meaning that Waltz is standing there panicking.
He senses he himself is in danger.
And that's why his eyes are open so hard.
raymond g stanley-jr
And he's telling us about Kamala Harris' campaign.
Like, guys, we're dangerous.
tim pool
Watch out for us. I'm sorry, guys.
It gets worse. I mean, that was pretty bad.
The first one they have is, yes, Vance's beard matters.
Check this one out. One of the first bits of nonverbal communication to appear in the debate was on J.D. Vance's face, his beard.
As Politico magazine has noted before, Vance is the first White House wannabe to wear facial hair in 80 years.
Thank you.
Thank you.
unidentified
And when? The beard is a sign of oppression.
tim pool
Hannah-Claire, in your general opinion as a woman, do women like beards?
unidentified
Yes, a lot of women. You've got two men here with beards.
You've got two without a beard. Look, women do like beards.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, maybe not all of them.
They're not a universal species.
But I have – I actually think the beard is sort of in – I mean, number one, I actually think it's to cover up the fact that he's kind of a baby face.
But two, because beard is the contour of men.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And two, I actually think in some ways it's an ode to his Appalachian ties.
I have never seen so many beards, especially like long, full beards, as when I moved to West Virginia.
This is the land of bearded men.
And so in some ways, he's actually just kind of honoring his heritage in a much more, you know, clean-cut, shaven way.
Again, I actually think the reason J.D. Vance has a beard is because he has a baby face and it's the makeup for men.
But in this case, I don't think that – I think this idea that somehow a beard is to signal that he is anti-feminism is sort of ludicrous.
I think this is very much grasping at straw.
unidentified
Ladies and gentlemen, this is exactly why mainstream media is struggling right now.
If you're looking for examples, that's a perfect example.
And in the meantime, I looked up two studies.
One by the University of Queensland, if they want to stick to facts.
A thousand American women, majority of them prefer beards.
They found men with more facial hair more attractive.
Another one by whatsyourprice.com survey, because so many people care about this.
2,500 women, over 60% of them found facial hair attractive.
So there's some numbers here. It's like women like masculine men.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm keeping my beard. What a concept.
unidentified
I gotta do it. I've been growing my mouth for 40 years.
tim pool
We showed the picture of Tim Waltz.
And look, I know I tweeted this out and people are looking at it and I'm going to get a bunch of Democrats mad at me for posting this.
This is an actual screen grab that Politico.com posted on their article about this and all I did was screen grab a photo of the man's face.
I didn't say anything. Be mad at political.
But it would only be fair if I show you J.D. Vance.
So take a look at this. You can see there's old J.D. with the beard.
And I want to tell you why he's wearing the beard.
Do you guys want to see why he's wearing the beard?
Yes. Okay, here's a picture of J.D. Vance.
That's, and to be fair, he's a little chubbier.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, it looks like he lost weight since then.
tim pool
And it's on, what is it, the subreddit, 30, 13 or 30?
So, talk about, is that a glow-up?
Is that what they call it? I think it is.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's what they call a glow-up.
You know, he has fuller cheeks, he's a baby fake.
I actually don't even think that is not in his favor.
I mean, he stood on that stage and he's like, I'm 40 and I have three kids and I'm married.
Like, there are so many Americans who look at that and say, goals, ideal, this is it.
I mean, the beard is great, look a little bit older, look like a little bit outdoorsy, whatever.
But it's not an oppressive signal.
It's because he has a baby face.
unidentified
I think it shows you how much our country hates men, where this political writer is annoyed by the fact that somebody has a beard.
And this would have been... I mean, if you look at just pictures of the presidents for most of our history, most of them had beards, probably about half of them, from what I remember.
But, yeah, I mean, right now the Democrats are upholding Doug Emhoff, who, you know, is now...
A new story came out today saying that he punched a girlfriend or something to that effect.
And Tim Walz. These are these, you know, paragons of masculinity.
And these are who we should... From the Midwest, you know, who's 40 years old, has three kids and a wife and is happily married and has a normal set of relationships.
tim pool
I just want to point out this fake body language stuff.
I think it's pseudoscience.
Maybe I'm wrong. Okay, I don't know.
They're going to put up one of those YouTube fact check tags.
Body language is real. Tim is wrong.
But you see these YouTube videos where there'll be like some dude I'm watching Biden with the volume turned down, and he'll just be like, Joe here is raising his right hand.
That indicates that he's being dishonest.
And if you look at his face, that's not a real smile.
And people love and eat this stuff up, which is why Politico is now doing it.
They're bringing on—what is this— Author of the international bestseller, What Everybody Is Saying, An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed Reading People and the Dictionary of Body Language.
Okay, look, body language is real.
I know it is.
People in sales understand, you know, when people are defensive, they're covering their chest and things like this.
But to look at, like, Tim Waltz pointing when he talks and it's like, oh, well, this means something.
No, it doesn't. He's just gesturing with his hands.
hannah claire brimelow
Calm down. I also don't think claiming, like, saying I worked for the FBI is actually a good credential in today's America.
unidentified
Like, I'm from the FBI, so therefore I'm an expert.
So I think it's important.
Like, I used to be obsessed with body language.
I studied it many, many years ago.
The main thing you'd look for is not these silly examples.
That's just from entertainment. You'd look for deviations from the norm.
Like, once you look into proper body language, it's actually very, very boring and not interesting enough for mainstream media.
So everything you've talked about now, obviously, the beard is completely stupid.
The pointing is dumb.
You've just got to look at how it deviates from the norm, how they've been acting the entire time, how they usually act and what changes throughout the debate.
So if someone, if he's always pointing, pointing, pointing, pointing, and then let's say J.D. Vance says something or Tim Walsh says something, and then he doesn't point or points downwards, then you can comment on that.
But just like, hey, he pointed, he means this, or his eyes mean that.
That's just entertainment, as you said, pseudoscience.
hannah claire brimelow
In the first debate, Trump was asked about his comments like Kamala Harris sometimes chooses to be black and sometimes chooses to be Indian.
He responded to that. And then he gave whatever answer and they turned to her and they said, do you want to respond?
And she looked completely down.
It was the deviation that stood out to me because she before had sort of been posturing as her lady boss.
She knew at times to put up her hand or then take it back down, whatever.
But that was the one where she looked truly uncomfortable.
I think you're totally right. Wanting to be like, well, he has a beard and this guy opened his eyes wide is actually kind of running cover for the issue that you're trying to portray, which is like that JD Vance is a mean man and Tim Wallace is a sensitive sweetie.
unidentified
It's also sad. Like this was a very civil discussion about, you know, important topics.
Yeah, they put out a whole article about their body language.
I just think they're focusing. Look at this one. How was Beard?
tim pool
Vance let a little frown give him away.
When Waltz brought up Project 2025, Vance exhibited a little tell that carried a big message.
A slight squinting of the eyes and a small frown. Clearly this was a sore subject. When we hear something we're unhappy or uncomfortable with, the negative emotion flashes over our face exactly as we saw here. We have to guard against such behaviors, blah blah blah. It's because he's lying. It's because JD Vance is thinking he is lying.
We don't do Project 2025.
But you see how they frame this?
They're trying to make it seem like J.D. Vance is actually, uh-oh, he's got me.
unidentified
Yeah, so when he squints, it means it's discomfort.
But the reason he feels uncomfortable, you can interpret it in different ways.
So they interpret it as like, hey, he got me.
Well, as you've explained it, no, he's lying and I'm pissed off he's lying, so I've squinted accordingly.
So again, the way you interpret body language could be, you know...
tim pool
And it's like, I think it's all pseudoscience.
raymond g stanley-jr
It's like, of course they're bringing it up again.
Of course he's going to bring it up. He's like, he should have rolled his eyes at that moment.
It would have been the same response.
hannah claire brimelow
They should have included one where Wall spent the whole time rapidly scribbling talking points.
raymond g stanley-jr
What do you think he was doing?
tim pool
What was he writing? Yeah, he was drawing pictures of cats.
raymond g stanley-jr
Hey, I'm girls.
hannah claire brimelow
The staffers are looking over. He's like, please help me send talking points.
tim pool
Yeah, he's got a Newton and he's like, send.
He writes it. It's crazy.
I don't know if they still do that anymore, though.
All right. Well, let's get it.
I don't even know what we have.
What's the next story that we got?
Oh, man. This debate was wild.
We got a lot of debate news. Here you go from Postmanal.
MSNBC's Nicole Wallace claims women object to J.D. Vance's mansplaining immigration during debate after a female moderator offered false fact check.
Quote, I actually think if you're a woman, that might be the worst moment J.D. Vance had because he was going to mansplain right over that mute button.
raymond g stanley-jr
He was talking to everybody.
He was talking to everyone who's watching the show.
hannah claire brimelow
And he was pointing out they broke the rules.
tim pool
And were wrong.
Or they manipulate context.
nicolle wallace
But here's the clip. And I actually think if you're a woman, that might be the worst moment J.D. Vance had, because he was going to mansplain right over that mute button.
And again, I don't pretend to know how everyone will react to this.
I think that a lot of women in positions of authority that should command respect just by virtue of that dynamic will see themselves as some dude that disrespected them and talked over.
I mean, there was a moment like that with the vice presidential in the Harris-Pence field.
tim pool
This is really interesting in the perspective of the feminist girl boss, because it is not true of all women.
It is, in my experience, specifically these chip-on-their-shoulder women.
J.D. Vance, if he were to argue with a man, and he literally did with Tim Walz, they never accused him of mansplaining when he would interject or start talking over Tim Walz, which happened, I think, two or three times.
But if it's the moderator breaking the rules, and he says, you're breaking the rules, let me clarify, you see her reaction, oh, a woman, how dare he?
Are you kidding, lady? Stop being so fragile, okay?
Sometimes you're wrong, and sometimes people want to argue.
If you're a woman or a man, it doesn't matter.
But there are these liberal mindset girl boss women who think that any time a man has a disagreement, it's because she's a woman.
hannah claire brimelow
Mm-hmm. I actually think this comment makes it look like she thought the female moderators were weak and couldn't handle J.D. Vance.
Right. Or being like, look, he just talked over to them and I must defend them means that they somehow mishandled this situation.
unidentified
But it's so unfair. It's so unfair to J.D. Vance.
He was corrected.
He was not meant to be corrected.
He's upset about it. I think he approached it in a very, again, presidential way, in a very respectful way.
And again, I had to look up the definition of mansplaining.
That's why I never even hear that word anymore.
I mute people like this in my life.
In a condescending, patronising or oversimplified manner...
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, where is he condescending at?
He didn't condescend anyone. He was just telling them exactly how they do it.
unidentified
Very respectful. Yeah. Very respectful.
hannah claire brimelow
Especially when they were manipulating the circumstances, right?
The whole thing was the only people who had fact-checked each other were the two vice presidential candidates.
And they had already slipped one in that was like, science agrees the world is warming or whatever.
And he didn't respond to that one.
He waited until he was like, look, this is a big deal.
You're challenging me on immigration in Ohio.
tim pool
Yeah. I'm going to throw this one out to all the men out there who are just – they want to hear this.
Let me tell you the facts of this story.
J.D. Vance was having a discussion on immigration issues.
The female moderator interjected incorrectly.
J.D. Vance said, first, you broke the rules that we agreed upon, but I will clarify.
She got angry and began talking over him, and then on, what was this, MSNBC's Nicole Wallace gets offended that he dared try to correct Owen who was wrong.
I wonder how many husbands are out there going like, I know exactly what that's like.
hannah claire brimelow
I just don't like the idea that women are like, yeah, we can do everything a man can do, but you can't tell us if we're wrong because then you're mansplaining.
Like, I don't understand.
If they're so good and girl bossy, why does this lady need to come out and defend what happened there?
I mean, either they could or couldn't handle the moment, and I think JD Vance was justified.
I think it's really fragile of them to claim that this was a bad moment for J.D. Vance.
I would have assumed the January 6th questions or something on his abortion response when he was like pro-family.
If you want to be mad about that, fine.
But in this case, you're saying that these girlboss moderators did a bad job.
tim pool
like that seems disloyal to the Klan. I think they had nothing to criticize him on.
He was calm, he was nice, he was apologetic. On the issue of abortion, talk about a masterclass.
I cannot praise this man enough. He said, you know, we've got to earn the trust back of these women that, you know, we want to help. We want to help families. We want to make life better. All of these things. And it was a brilliant response. His response Let me just break this down.
It's a tough question for Republicans.
Trump gets floundered on.
It's tough because he's like, you know, are you going to veto?
Are you for the six week ban?
Are you not? And he goes back.
He went back and forth. J.D. Vance knows it's a negative and Republicans are looked down on the issue.
So he turns it around by saying, we're going to earn your trust back, which is him acknowledging it's a bad issue for Republicans, but that's him saying, we're going to earn your trust back is, we do have plans to help you and we want you to, we want to prove it to you.
I thought it was masterfully handled.
When you see that kind of debate performance, what do they have to get mad about other than he tried to clarify a point on illegal immigration?
unidentified
And he has a beard. I wanted to look at the exact quote as well.
Just going back to the mansplaining things.
I was just a bit triggered by it.
And then we'll go to the abortion. Look at what he responded.
He said the rules were that...
I'm just going to read it.
And objectively, anyone listening, especially women, let me know what you think objectively of what he said.
The rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check.
And since you are fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.
I don't find that to be condescending.
I don't find that to be disrespectful or patronizing.
I'll put that behind because I'm really a bit annoyed by it.
Regarding the abortion, I think it was one of the best performances.
I know it's a very tough topic for him.
And the way he's kind of self-criticized, he's very, very self-critical about it.
And I think he's just very, in my opinion, authentic about it.
I know Tim Walsh didn't do bad there as well, putting him on the spot.
I think J.D. Vance's response there was one of the highlights for me.
Yeah, it's been disappointing, though, to see over the past couple of years.
So even Mike Pence was more overtly pro-life.
I think Vance had a throwaway line in there saying, you know, I support life.
Something to that effect. But if you look at the way that the GOP is trending on abortion, it's pretty negative in the sense that now J.D. Vance, a few months ago, came out and said that he's for the abortion pills, which is the way that two-thirds of abortions now happen.
So You know, cards on the table, I'm about as anti-abortion as you can get as a Christian and a Republican.
And I look at that and I hear people talking about that, you know, in my personal life, not even just people who are as far in that issue as I am, but just like average, everyday, pro-life Catholic, something like that.
And they're saying, you know, the GOP is losing me on this one.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm curious though, J.D. Vance's response was largely, we want to make it so that women who have unintended pregnancies do not feel as though abortion is their only option, which really has become the talking point from Democrats, right?
Like, you're trapped with this man in this relationship you don't like.
J.D. Vance referenced a friend who had been in an abusive relationship to have an abortion.
Or the economic challenges of young families or young couples trying to buy houses or support these families is part of the obligation of pro-life Americans to win back people on the idea that family is good and that bringing a child into the world, even if it's not under ideal circumstances, is worth doing? I also think for the right, there's a very important consideration in that a large reason women get abortions is because they feel like they do not have support in having these kids, and it's the fault of men.
tim pool
We have a cultural problem that is not just men, not just women.
It is a social development issue for us.
and i i i don't i want to put singular blame on anyone for people are generation housing is too expensive young people need better paying jobs gen z needs bill to get houses we need young men to learn what it is to be a man and be responsible to the women that they are with and women need to know if they're with a man that that that man is going to help take care of that child because that's that's what jd vance pointed out that he knew a woman
she was in an abusive relationship and she was she was scared that if you had a kid she have no support in this guy was gonna be really bad and i don't i don't know that i appreciate that reason for terminating a pregnancy but jd vance makes a great point that you certainly have to overcome that hurdle if we're going to win trust back Yeah, so I've been to Kenya a couple of times.
unidentified
So this is back when I was in high school, early college.
And the way that they view children was one of the first things I noticed about their culture, where they unconditionally see children as a blessing.
So I was spending a lot of time in the slums in Kenya, and their mothers, they were with several kids, and they were like, you know...
My children are the best. So I think it's actually really a cultural problem and spiritual problem we have in the United States where even though we are one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and obviously it's gotten worse over the past few years, people see it as a legitimate option just murdering your child at the abortion mill or with the abortion pills.
And I don't think that statements like this are helpful at all in reverse in that culture.
I think there's a sense in which our politicians and our laws actually catechize the culture, and I think they ought to be fostering life.
You know, Vance had some ways in doing that.
I think there's a good debate to have about social policy, you know, supporting, you know, mothers who, you know, with maternity leave, stuff like that.
You can talk about all that. But, you know, in terms of...
You have to also address the elephant in the room, which is the fact that we're back to over a million abortions every single year.
tim pool
I think... We see that on the surface.
And I think it's important to ask what is causing it.
And it's not just that young men are not growing up and taking responsibility.
It's also because there are young women who are raised in a culture that tells them don't have kids right now and who cares if you get an abortion.
So we need to reinstill in our young people.
Pride, responsibility, and hard work, right?
And that means that, hey look, if you want to have a relationship and it results in a pregnancy, take responsibility, both of you, and have a kid, and kids are good things, but that needs to be the general idea that is ingrained in people.
I think too much right now, it's permanent adolescence.
Young men are like, I can play video games.
I can drink beer and go with my friends.
I got no responsibilities. I think it was Pete Buttigieg who said this.
He was like, men are freer when abortion is available.
So... I think it's not just that we have all this abortion.
Ron Paul said it great. It shouldn't be illegal.
It should be unthinkable. And that's the very libertarian approach.
I like that because socially we should say a woman should never have to deal with the thought that she's in trouble.
It should always be a blessing.
And young men need to be men and carry a big old sack of bricks to build a house and be responsible.
And there's pride in that.
hannah claire brimelow
I like the trust comment because what I took from it was so far Democrats have successfully sold to you that losing your right to have an abortion means that you're about to lose health care and fertility treatments and all of these things.
They made it not just about the singular act of abortion but about generally a threat to women's wellness overall.
And I think what's interesting about choosing the words like we want to win back your trust is to say you don't need to look at our policies in fear.
Like if you were in a culture that said we value life over anything else and your community is going to rally around you if you have a pregnancy in a circumstance that's maybe not ideal for you, then it makes it less about what you are losing and the danger you are hypothetically putting yourself in to being like, okay, this isn't maybe what I was going to do, but I can handle this.
I know that there's a much more optimistic and confident message.
And I do think, you know, I obviously, I mean, I would hope that no woman is in a position where she feels like abortion is the best solution for a pregnancy that she didn't want.
On the other hand, I do think that this is one of the areas that the pro-life movement hasn't been agile enough because they allow the conversation to always be in response to this attacking position.
They are the scary monsters and they need to kind of bring themselves out to closets and say, no, we're actually just your neighbors.
unidentified
We're trying to help you. I think this is one last thing I'd say here is because I was with President Novak from Hungary just a few days ago talking about population collapse.
I know it's completely not off topic, but it goes back to the point.
This is a cultural issue, not only in the US, you know, the high abortion rates, you know, women not wanting to have kids, even men not wanting to have kids.
And, you know, we had a very personal discussion, did an interview with her as well, Stephen Shaw.
Who did a documentary on this.
And I think this issue will gain more and more traction.
Just the whole approach to having children and people thinking it's just already too many people on the planet was not able to have kids.
If you have kids, you can't, you know, achieve much in your careers, either your career or having a family.
I think the world is going to wake up to that problem impacting the US, impacting Europe, impacting Asia, even you mentioned – not Rwanda, you mentioned Kenya.
Even Africa is going to head down that path and, of course, Latin America.
So I think it's going to end up being a much bigger issue.
raymond g stanley-jr
Real quick, do you think it's going to be too late?
unidentified
We're already there within this century.
Numbers were insane. There's a reason Elon talks about it all the time.
So she launched a foundation and she talked to Elon about it as well.
He's been pretty supportive.
Within this century...
Multiple Asian countries, European countries, Canada.
The US has done well because of immigration, but that's not sustainable because where are you going to get these immigrants from?
Because Latin America is having that issue.
Asia is having that issue. Africa will soon have that issue.
Within this century, countries around the world will have their populations halve.
That's dropped by half.
And another scary thing is that there's never been a time in history where that was a global problem.
It happened to the Roman Empire, for example.
That was one of the reasons that – one of the reasons, one of the main reasons that the Roman Empire is no longer here.
The collapse of the Roman Empire.
But there's never been a time in history where that was successfully reversed.
Now President Novak, the reason she's getting a lot of traction, she probably had performed the best with her country Hungary.
That was one of the worst countries. She improved it by about 30%.
So she tested a few strategies, but there's no one strategy that works, which makes it a pretty scary problem.
I remember when Elon was posting about it all the time.
I'm like, why is Elon talking about this?
And I ignored it. There's already too many people in the world, and yet it's the complete opposite.
tim pool
Well, I will say population collapse is a more complicated detriment than people realize.
One thing I would advocate for right now is reassessment of current human allocation.
So we got a lot of people on this planet.
But we got a lot of people who aren't as efficient as they can be.
The body positivity movement where you got, you know, people gorging themselves and doing these YouTube videos where they just eat endlessly until they get sick.
You know, there was a woman, I think, in South Korea who ate so much for her live stream, her stomach ruptured and she died.
Jesus. This is inefficient use of human energy.
But don't get me wrong, humans are free to do kind of whatever they want, but there's got to be, I don't know, certain limitations if someone's doing this harmful stuff.
The issue with population is that the more people we have, the more specialties we have.
Humans are brilliant.
An individual human can master a task.
There was a period on Earth where it was possible for a single human to know everything that humans knew.
Population was very, very small.
Humans knew very little. Now you're going to meet a guy, and you're like, what do you do?
It's like, I make the paneling for the SpaceX Starship.
You're like, just the panels? Yeah, I do metal fabrication, so I make panels.
That's it. That's all you do.
Yep. Back in the day, one guy might do everything to make a waggie as a carpenter.
Now... One guy makes wire.
One guy makes computer chips.
One guy makes transistors.
One person does these things.
In fact, now they're being automated in a lot of ways.
Humans, the more we have, the more finite we can have the specialties of each individual.
To put it simply, it might take 1,000 specialty jobs to make a car.
I don't know the exact number.
A spaceship might take 10,000 specialty positions because the more science we develop, the more specific an individual task has to be.
That means we need dramatically more human beings and population is collapsing.
We lose population, we are going to lose technology and we're going to wonder how we had spaceships in the first place.
This is why I think Elon is 100% correct.
And I'm a huge fan because he's building spaceships, trying to colonize Mars, working on bringing back free speech, telecommunications, electric cars.
I'm like, dang, this guy is doing it all.
raymond g stanley-jr
So he's an African-American colonizer.
tim pool
Certainly he is indeed.
But let's jump to this story, though, from Politico.
Harrison Trump taking America first tone on dock workers strike.
Foreign shipping companies that dominate seaborne trade draw bipartisan criticism at U.S. ports.
They say Vice President Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are so far taking the same side in the strike by East and Gulf Coast longshoremen speaking up for the American workers against the foreign-owned shipping companies that control ports in the U.S. The fact that major political leaders from both parties are taking aim at the European and Asian-based shipping companies represent an early political victory for the dock workers.
Quote, American workers should be able to negotiate for better wages, especially since the shipping companies are mostly foreign flag vessels, including the largest consortium one.
Trump said in a statement on Tuesday evening, the Singapore based one is the sixth largest shipping company in the world.
Harris also sounded a message sympathetic to the port workers on Wednesday, despite the risk that an extended strike could trigger price spikes and commodity shortages that would imperil her chances of defeating Donald Trump.
You better get your goods now.
You better fill up your gas tank, whatever it is you got to do, because we get so much of our stuff from overseas.
Your bananas, gone. Heineken, uh-oh, you're in trouble.
Imported cars, there's already a shortage of cars.
It is going to get intense and prices are going to go up.
Now, Kamala's in a rough spot.
Trump, not so much. Trump's going to come out and say, keep it up, boys.
We wish you the best. Why? The strike is good for Trump. I mean, it's brutal, but this is going to negatively impact the economy under Kamala Harris's watch, and that will benefit a challenging campaign. Kamala Harris, Joe Biden could come out and what is it, the Taft-Hartley Act, I think, I'm not sure. Taft-Hartley. Right, where they could basically say, get back to work or else.
But if he did that, the unions are all in this country going to be like, we're voting Trump, and they already may be.
The only thing Harris can do is support them while it tanks the economy and hurts our chance at winning this election.
unidentified
That, you know, it's such a tight election.
Anything could make a difference. And this could genuinely make a big difference.
Just to kind of point out, 43% of all imports get through these ports on the East Coast.
Wow. The ones impacted by the strikes.
And that's, what, $5 billion per day.
That impacts everything from cherries, alcohol, home appliances, the auto industry.
And as you said, Tim, like, Kamala's in a very tough spot.
Because on one side, you've got Lee, or Biden, the Taft-Harley Act.
But if he does that, 90%, this year is 85%, but generally it's 90% of the donations by the unions are Democrat, 90%.
So if he invokes the Taft-Hardley Act, which I think George Bush did in 2002, I think it was.
That could backfire on him really badly.
But at the same time, if he does not reach a resolution, and just to point out, I think as far as I'm aware, the Longshoremen Union has not yet endorsed Kamala.
Usually they do, which kind of makes it even tougher for Kamala now.
So I don't know how she could solve this.
And this could end up, you know, they could bring, you know, the ports on the West Coast could try to compensate for that.
It's a very tricky situation.
We do know that the ports as well stocked up on imports before the strike, anticipating the strike.
But how long could they last?
The one that happened, the last one that happened was in 1977.
That lasted six weeks.
We don't have six weeks. No.
Right. Yeah, the time frame is the most important issue.
So I think you mentioned $5 billion.
I saw $4.5 billion from JP Morgan today.
So give it a few days, you're not really going to feel it, but give it a few weeks and cars aren't on the lots and then you're really going to feel it.
Again, that's before the election.
So end of October, if that's still happening, that could have a really big impact.
hannah claire brimelow
Seems like the worst part would hit right when the election is happening.
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
And it's already having an impact. Sorry, the polls take time to show Polymarket.
Again, I use Polymarket all the time.
There's others, I'm sure. But I always look at it every day.
It's like every morning I look at a few things, including Polymarket.
A few days ago, Kamala was ahead 50 to 48.
After the debate, it went 49, 48.
And it's more margins, but they make a difference.
49, 48. Again, Kamala.
And after this news started gaining traction, now it's 49-49 as of earlier today.
So it's back to it being even.
It was like a five-point difference a week ago.
And that's, again, people betting money.
That means if they bet wrong, they lose their money.
It's not just saying, hey, I'll vote Kamala, I'll vote Trump.
So I think that is important to note.
I think this will continue to develop if they can't reach a resolution.
tim pool
Actually, in aggregate, I pulled up the real clear polling betting odds.
Trump is actually ahead by 0.1 in the betting average.
unidentified
Did you see how it's changed over the last few days?
Yes. Oh, nice.
tim pool
Look at that. So Trump just pulled the lead very slightly.
I do think the J.D. Vance-Tim Waltz debate is going to give Trump a tiny bit of a fraction of a point.
I don't know if it's a full point off that because it's the VP debate.
But you take a look at this. Betfair has Trump winning by one point, 48 to 47.
Betson has it tied 51 to 51, which is kind of odd.
That makes no sense. Bovada, I don't know what their metrics are.
Bovada is 50-50.
Bwin is 50-50.
Points bet is tied 51-51.
Polymarket 48-48.
Smarket's 48-48.
Because of Betfair, this one, giving Trump a one-point lead, Trump is slightly ahead of Harris to win.
So in the betting markets, he's getting favored.
I've got to tell you, it's going to be a sour day for Alan Lichtman.
They call him political Nostradamus with the keys to the White House.
If he gets this one wrong, he will have that on his face.
unidentified
That's a big change. If you look at the chart, it's a massive change.
It only happened in the last few days. The margin was 6 points on September 21st.
About a week ago, a week and a half ago, six-point difference Harris.
Yeah. And then you see it going down, and then in the last two days, yeah, it went massively.
So three days ago, it was two-point difference, three-point difference, two-point, and then now Trump is ahead.
tim pool
Well, look at this. On the sidebar, you can see here that Trump is winning in the battlegrounds by 0.1 points.
Nationally, Harris is up 2.2.
However, we expect there to be a three-point margin of error.
So this is toss-up.
Now, if we factor in the 2016 and the 2020 biases that favor Democrats, that would put Trump up one point.
On the low end, on the high end, he's up two points.
But ignore that, because we don't know for sure, and Harris is winning in the national polls, but national polls don't win you elections.
It's starting to come into focus.
Early voting is happening now, but it does seem like we may be on track for a Donald Trump victory with a Kamala Harris popular vote margin victory.
raymond g stanley-jr
Back to the longshoremen.
I don't know how many people are going to feel sympathetic to them.
They approximately make $43 an hour.
You know, $25 in Philadelphia and then $120 in California.
And we have North Carolina.
We have Tennessee. We have Florida. We have the huge hurricanes.
And they're going to start losing supplies.
And it's going to be terrible for them if they don't come back to start working.
So I don't know who's going to do that.
tim pool
Automation is one of the big issues for the longshoremen.
They want guarantees in their contract.
They're not going to get replaced by robots.
And they're not going to give it to them. Right.
And actually, one of the complaints they had is that despite their demands for contract guarantees, these companies have been bringing the robots in anyway.
You look at China, they're already automated.
Now, it's tough.
Do we just say we're going to keep your jobs forever despite the technology existing to automate your position?
I say bring the technology.
That being said, I don't believe we should punish the workers.
We need to find a soft landing for people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own.
unidentified
Yeah, public perception is an interesting phenomenon, because over the past decade or so, unions have surged to, I think, the highest public popularity in a long time.
So it could be interesting to see if they're viewed as selfish, if that could start to reverse.
Right now, unions are in a strong position.
But I agree, long term, it's got to be automation.
I mean, it's hard to imagine in 2100 that, with the technology currently intact, that we're still going to be having these handful of union guys unloading all the boats.
And again, I I think it's interesting that it reflects fears that probably, like, long-haul truck drivers have and other industries that...
hannah claire brimelow
You know, hypothetically, there is a way to automate the job into, you know, automate them out of a job.
Maybe that's not happening in the next two years.
Maybe it's happening in the next 10.
But there are people who this is sort of the trade, right?
Their dads were in these industries.
This is the industry they go into and to think that they are going to Yes.
I can see that being a big issue, something that you would be willing to say, I know we have crisis right now, but we feel like this is our argument issue, more so than the wages. I've heard the wages things before, that they have high wages, so what are they arguing about? But they do say, you know, West Coast has higher.
unidentified
Yes, yeah, but they want wages even higher than West Coast.
I think they want a 77% hike, which means they'll be higher paid than the West Coast.
No sure if that's a negotiation tactic.
hannah claire brimelow
I assume it's in part negotiation, right?
You're not going to ask for exactly what you want.
raymond g stanley-jr
Philadelphia is only 25K, it says, per Brave AI. 25K a year, which is 4% less than national average, is nothing.
tim pool
25K is zero. Hey, look, these guys go on strike.
What if the company is just bringing the robots?
Okay, you guys are on strike. Robots, come on in.
Take their jobs. You can strike as long as you want.
unidentified
If they could do it quickly, but it takes time.
I think this is going to be resolved.
I think eventually robots have to take their place.
Otherwise, the U.S. will no longer be competitive.
I think that's long term. But what I'm really contemplating is how big of an impact this will have in five weeks' time.
raymond g stanley-jr
I'm worried about the disaster zones too, man.
We need to worry about those folks. Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Especially if they have to wait five weeks for the result because then they actually are waiting like, what, ten weeks for the goods to finally get to them?
tim pool
The government's already effing them over. But here's a simple one.
It's time to stop being so reliant on imports and we need to make sure that we're doing as much as we can here at home.
I get it. You want bananas?
We can only do so much.
You want avocados? We can only do so much.
We got avocados in California, I'm pretty sure, but we get a lot from Mexico.
And when it comes to shipping, we're getting a lot of these coming from the Caribbean and other island nations.
So... You might just not be able to get your bananas or your Heineken, which is coming from Europe.
raymond g stanley-jr
Where does Heineken come from? I think it's Germany.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it's Germany. Belgium? Yeah, I think it's right.
hannah claire brimelow
Or Belgium? This is what I actually thought was one of J.D. Vance's best moments on stage.
I was going to talk about the debate the whole time.
raymond g stanley-jr
Wow, we were all wrong. Per certainty.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, really? Okay. The European.
He got it. But JD Vance said, you know, if you are really concerned about the environment, you would want U.S. manufacturing to move back to the U.S. because we have the cleanest economy.
Like, we hold ourselves to standards that other nations don't.
And I feel similarly about shippings and goods.
Like, if you are concerned about being dependent on international shippings, then we should want to buy domestically.
There is this...
Well, this is the way we operate, so we have to continue this system when really I think Americans are looking to say we are dependent on everyone but ourselves.
unidentified
Yeah, slight rabbit trail. So I was shocked at the debate last night where, you know, obviously they're going to ask about Khalid, but what they asked was not about, you know, do you think the federal government is helping the victims properly?
They asked about what do you think this says about climate change?
They didn't care at all about the actual people who were suffering.
They're like, what about climate change? And I think Vance did a good job of making the human element back in, basically saying we're praying for the people who are down there and suffering and pivoting back to the manufacturing stuff.
But I was just floored that the media didn't even care enough about Appalachia to say, ask one question about what do you think the federal government is doing a good job at helping them out?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we can't critique Biden because then we're critiquing Harris.
And, you know, I thought CBS, other than a couple obvious moments, generally did better than the previous debate moderators.
But, you know, they obviously can't risk Kamala Harris seeming like she didn't do a good job by not going down there.
She's finally going to Georgia, I heard.
Biden was in North Carolina today.
I think there is this...
Keeping all disasters at arm's length so you don't look like it's happening in your America, which is the nimbyism that put manufacturing somewhere else in the first place and caused all kinds of economic weakness.
unidentified
Guys, I've got a question for you.
The head of the Longshoremen Union, he met Trump in 2023.
I didn't give this too much importance, but he hasn't met Kamala and Biden in years.
Do you think that could be a shift within the union or other unions towards the right?
Because I genuinely think this could flip the election one way or another.
tim pool
Look at the Teamsters. I don't know how the Democrats are going to win when the Teamsters have flipped.
You've lost the unions then.
What do they have? I mean, look, I get it.
Everyone says, as soon as I say this, they're going to do mail-in ballots or something like that.
unidentified
I get it. I get it. But do you think that strike was potentially politically motivated, at least the timing of it?
tim pool
Doc workers? I don't know.
raymond g stanley-jr
Was it planned out? Didn't they have it planned out?
hannah claire brimelow
They went on strike when their contract expired, and their contract was set six years ago.
unidentified
Yeah, the West Coast cannot because of that contract.
hannah claire brimelow
You're right. Right. Why the Biden-Harris administration did not see this coming when it's been brewing for a while, I don't know.
You think they would have leaned on someone to be like, push this back until December.
But again, either the workers didn't comply, whatever it was.
What I wonder, more so than a shift in the union workers, and it might be that there's a political sentiment shift there, is...
Is this evidence of lip service from the Biden-Harris administration?
They tout Biden as the most pro-union president.
He stood on a picket line.
No one's ever done that before.
But he didn't even seem to be prepared to intervene preemptively on this.
I thought he was so pro-workers.
They've been clear that they are unhappy and they want to negotiate.
But there was sort of a standstill.
He didn't try to break in then and negotiate between workers and employees.
He just sort of let it happen.
Maybe that's because he hates Kamala Harris and was like, well, I'll just let you burn.
unidentified
Right. Well, this happened two years ago where I think it was the railways also went on strike right before the election.
It was the same exact questions we're asking now.
Is this going to affect outcomes?
Are people going to be upset as the supply chain is shut down?
But again, it's a replay of two years ago.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that American workers are sympathetic to Kamala Harris when she says stuff like, I am the middle class?
unidentified
No. I mean, she went to elite schools and so forth, and she's been in politics her entire life.
It's hard to imagine.
And I think they see Trump as more genuine just because he's more Americana, so to speak.
Sure, he comes from a wealthy family, but...
hannah claire brimelow
He comes from multifamily, but he actually did manage workers and work with other companies.
In a business sense, I think he is the one you'd actually want in the room.
She's a politician. She's the one pushing the legislations that make life difficult for the workers and for the companies.
He's on the other side of that being like, how do we get our work done?
unidentified
I told him just to play a clip now.
I want you to listen to the leader of the union to give you an idea of who Kamala has to negotiate with.
Listen to this. Now you start to realize who the longshoremen are, right?
People never gave a s*** about us until now, when they finally realized that the chain is being broke now.
Cars won't come in.
Food won't come in.
Clothing won't come in.
You know how many people depend on our jobs?
Half the world!
And it's time for them and time for Washington to put so much pressure on them to take care of us because we took care of them and we're here 135 years and brought to where they are today and they don't want to share!
Imagine negotiating with that guy.
I don't know what's going to happen.
tim pool
Here's one question. Isn't this the guy who said, I will cripple you?
hannah claire brimelow
Or is that somebody else? That's him, Harold Daggett.
unidentified
He makes almost a million a year, by the way.
tim pool
I still like him.
Look, I understand, like, you know, we got some people chatting saying, I don't appreciate that.
You're saying you're going to cripple us when we're, you know, dealing with this inflation, plus it's a disaster.
But in terms of fighting for his people, you got to respect it.
Yeah, I absolutely respect that.
That guy's a union leader right there.
unidentified
Don't hate the play, hate the game.
That's what unions are meant to do.
So you're just playing the game.
If you don't like what unions stand for, there's other ways to solve it.
hannah claire brimelow
Why did the Democrats send two terrible negotiators to the White House?
I mean, this is the question.
If you're saying, I don't appreciate that you're going to cripple us, the question should be like, did you vote Democrat last time?
Because the only response to a strong negotiator is another strong negotiator.
tim pool
Shall we jump to the more scandalous of the stories of the day?
From the post-millennial Doug Emhoff, for those that don't know, that's Kamala Harris' husband, accused by anonymous sources claiming to be friends to his ex of slapping his then-girlfriend in France in 22.
It's kind of an awkward way to write the headline, so I'll give you the simple version.
According to a Daily Mail exclusive with multiple sources, Kamala Harris' husband, Doug Emhoff, slapped his ex-girlfriend for, quote, flirting with another man.
But the story is actually, and it's been corroborated by numerous people, they say...
He was on a date with someone at the Cannes Film Festival.
She went to the valet to get her car pulled up and she put her hand on his shoulder.
Emhoff then walked up, grabbed her by the shoulder and spun around and then just BAM! So hard in the face, she spun around.
Then forced himself into her car as she was trying to flee.
It's scandalous. I don't know.
It's salacious.
It's the exclusive story that's in the news right now.
And they say they've got documents proving the travel, text messages from the friends confirming the story.
And it looks like Kamala Harris's husband is a woman beater.
unidentified
That's a very bad week for Kamala.
You've got the debate. You've got the union strike.
And now you've got Emhoff. No wonder why the betting polls are showing the margin flip.
tim pool
Hillary Clinton said October Surprise is going to pervert Kamala Harris.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah. It's going to try and make Kamala Harris look bad.
So did she know this was coming?
There was that other story where Doug Emhoff – and I think this is pretty much confirmed – that he had an affair with his children's nanny who was also a teacher at the school.
But the other part was that allegedly what mitigated the divorce – or what spurred the divorce more than anything was that she got pregnant and the rumor is that he pressured her to have an abortion.
tim pool
Well, according to the story from the Daily Mail, she had a miscarriage and then he paid off a settlement of $80,000 with a non-disclosure agreement.
They say this right here.
According to friends, Emhoff did not say how he was allegedly responsible for the miscarriage, and he told Jane the nanny's claims were false.
But the second gentleman allegedly confessed to Jane that he paid Naylor a settlement of around $80,000 and had the nanny sign a non-disclosure agreement.
He was previously dubbed by Democrats as a wife guy and a mensch, a Yiddish term for an honorable kind man.
He's also spoken out in media interviews about being an ally to him and against toxic masculinity.
You know, look, when I read this and they say that he paid her 80 grand with an NDA and she accused him of causing a miscarriage, sounds more like he beat her.
hannah claire brimelow
It sounds brutal.
tim pool
It sounds like she was pregnant and he beat her and the baby died.
hannah claire brimelow
Which is terrifying, right?
That's a very serious situation and no one seems to be willing to address it in the mainstream media.
tim pool
Is this story confirmed? Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Because I can't see it on Fox News.
It doesn't have it on their front page. It should be the main story on their front page.
tim pool
The slapping the woman, Daily Mail says they have corroborating confirmations.
Separate individuals who were...
unidentified
It's because he has a beard. Look at him.
tim pool
So their claims are, and look, let's say the slapping thing is not true.
Their claim is that they've got multiple friends who provided documents of text and of the trip confirming that this happened.
Fine. Maybe.
I don't know. But I'm asking about the nanny story.
This Nayyin Naylor.
That it is true that he impregnated her?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think.
Wow. And that the nanny was at school.
I remember... So this story came up a couple...
I think maybe a month or two ago.
And someone found the nanny, right?
She's living a different life now.
I think she's living on the East Coast.
And she wouldn't talk about it.
Now, obviously, if you sign a non-disclosure agreement, you can't talk about it.
But as far as we know, she doesn't have any children.
So if she did become pregnant and the miscarriage is true, there is not a child, a love child between her and Doug Emhoff.
What I think is hard is like, is this going to be something we get kind of raining down on us for the next couple of weeks?
Like all these stories of Doug Emhoff being sort of brutal towards women.
That's not great.
unidentified
Seems like we've just scratched the surface.
A lot of these male feminists actually have pretty bad histories with women.
There's actually, I've noticed that over the past couple of years where a lot of these guys who are very woke in public and very pro-feminists are actually very bad to women.
hannah claire brimelow
It seems like you shouldn't say, well, I'm, you know, anti-toxic masculinity because that's to tell that you are actually probably an untrustworthy man.
unidentified
Oh, yeah. I mean, for the past month, I've seen nothing in the media about Doug Emhoff except for these stories about him being this model man and propping up his wife and so forth.
But it's all facade.
Yes. Yeah, so I'm trying to find out the source because it is – there's no evidence to back it.
But – Yeah, it's hard to know.
It's hard to know. Either way, it's an exclusive Daily Mail story.
I'm talking about the nanny one.
Oh, the pregnancy one. Yeah, I'm trying to find out more about that one.
There's not much there.
He hasn't commented on it either.
But either way, I think it will have, again, any small story could have an impact on the election in a few weeks' time.
hannah claire brimelow
But also this stuff isn't getting talked about publicly.
I mean to be fair, these are difficult things to confirm if no one is willing to say anything.
On the other hand, this is not the way we treat Republicans, right?
Like he is maybe getting a pass especially as the stories get more serious.
They seem to indicate a level of violence that they didn't have before.
You know, it's – One thing to sort of promote salacious gossip that he was unfaithful and that's why his marriage broke up.
But to have this now developing suggested pattern of like very nefarious behavior, maybe manipulative or abusive behavior towards women, you know, you can't really be married to our girl boss feminist president and just turn a blind eye to that.
It's difficult for the Kamala Harris to respond to without acknowledging the stories are present which they don't want to do.
tim pool
Well, I think it matters if the second gentleman who wants to be the first gentleman is a woman beater.
Yes. For sure. It doesn't matter as much as policy and real discussions over what these individuals will be doing, but if there is a security issue in the White House.
That being said, ladies and gentlemen, get ready for the wildest month of your life because October has only just begun.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, it's the second. It's the second.
tim pool
Yep. Here we go. We got another 29 days to go.
I'm excited for Halloween, by the way, and then a couple more days right up to the election.
But here's the thing. The October surprise, usually, we have election day.
We got election month now, which means deep impact stories, rapid fire.
Before, it'd be like one big story a week out before the election in October, and everyone's like, oh, no, and they try to knock you down so that right before the election, it's hard to recover.
Yeah. They got the whole month.
People are going to be voting. So it don't matter.
Every day, starting from now until the 5th, every day is election day.
So they're going to need all of these stories.
It's going to get absolutely insane.
The best they could get on J.D. Vance, I guess, is any mansplains.
raymond g stanley-jr
They don't. I don't feel like this.
Maybe independents, but something like this will not affect anyone who's a Democrat voter.
If they're already a Democrat voter, I don't see them.
If the guy could have beat up five girls and they don't care because they don't like Trump, they hate Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's different, again, because it's like, you know, text messages, people who couldn't account for the story, that's a little more solid than just this kind of widely held belief that's why this marriage broke up because of infidelity and actually infidelity maybe had some other components to it.
It's different than when George W. Bush's like DUI came to light.
But then Al Gore chose kind of not to bring that up.
I mean some stuff both campaigns will be like we can't touch that because it's actually messy for both of us.
And I wonder if this is one of the issues.
If you're the Trump campaign and they've already tried to paint you out as like this man who's sort of violent and aggressive towards women, then it would be difficult to start trying to push that this this claim against Doug Emhoff is addressed.
raymond g stanley-jr
And Trump only, real quick, Trump only grabbed a woman.
He did not slap any woman.
unidentified
So I do want to point out that the Daily Mail is the one that broke the story on the nanny, cheating with the nanny.
I'm not sure when it comes to abortion.
I'm trying to find out more about this.
And then he admitted to it.
So Doug did admit to CNN. He said, Kirsten and I went through some tough times on account of my actions.
I took responsibility. And in the years since, we worked through things as a family and have come out stronger on the other side.
So he did admit to cheating on his wife.
We don't know. Maybe you probably know this already.
And that only came out in August.
And that was also the story brought by the Daily Mail, which broke this story as well.
hannah claire brimelow
It was confirmed that – he confirmed that he was – that the divorce was because of his actions, the infidelity.
But his first wife has come out to his defense several times now but at that time was like, I'm very proud that he was – he's the father of my children and we're on good terms is basically her stance.
No one has ever really addressed the component of like did the nanny fall pregnant?
What happened in that case?
unidentified
Right. And it's a good point that this is now election month.
So I wonder if we know that Democrats and Democrat leaders, which I think is more important than people who are solid blue and are going to vote for Kamala no matter what comes out over the next month.
But I wonder about the timing of these stories because now that early voting is just starting in certain states, I think we're going to see a lot more blue-leaning October surprises, you know, targeted at Democrats and targeted at Kamala in her circles.
And then I think later in the month we're going to see more red and targeted at Trump October surprises.
I think there's more to this Daily Mail story.
No one's talking about it in the media.
Even though there's a few women, according to the Daily Mail, a few women who told the Daily Mail they've corroborated the allegation.
So there is a possibility they're holding off the story for political purposes.
So we might see a lot more from this because it's surprising that the media is not talking about this a lot more.
tim pool
Not really. I mean, the corporate press does not want to put out information damaging to the Democrats.
unidentified
No, even the right-leaning press is not putting it out.
I looked at Fox News. It should be on their front page.
Yeah, that's true. Maybe they're timing it.
tim pool
I don't know. No, I think you're right.
I think perhaps Daily Mail, this is 10% of the story, and then they're waiting to put out the photos.
raymond g stanley-jr
They're priming it. Oh, photos of him doing that?
tim pool
Yeah, that'll be fun. I mean, the woman got slapped.
Someone took a picture of her face.
unidentified
I mean, imagine a day before the election, the woman's giving an interview, talking about it in detail.
A live interview on 60 Minutes.
raymond g stanley-jr
And she still has a red face, so they paint a face that's like a slap hand.
tim pool
No, but they show photos of being like, after he hit me, my friends took pictures to document the abuse.
hannah claire brimelow
But to your point, if Democrats are more likely to vote by mail, the day before the election is almost too late if the attack is on the Democrats.
unidentified
Which means it'll be coming in a week.
Yeah, exactly. By the time we finish this episode.
Tomorrow, episode two.
tim pool
Well, this happened to me a couple days ago when Iran launched those missiles at Israel.
While I was live, people are like, hey, there's a fear that Iran's going to launch missiles, and I'm like, sure.
Show wraps up. Thanks for watching.
Have a nice day. And then I look at my phone, missiles launched by Iran, and I'm like, well, you know, right when the show ends.
hannah claire brimelow
And that happened to you with the pager thing, too?
You were, like, getting updates live in the chat.
tim pool
Oh, I was covering the pager explosion story, and while I had it pulled up, someone said, hey, walkie-talkies just exploded in Lebanon, and I was like, what?
unidentified
Crazy story. But what's crazy to me is I know they started talking about Iran, Israel, Lebanon at the beginning of the debate.
I know we've digressed again. But that and Ukraine was barely mentioned.
I think these are – because the American people just don't care about it as much, which is surprising to me.
But I think that's something that could boil out of control and, again – It looks really bad for Kamala if you add the Middle East to the mix.
So you've got the husband. You've got the strike.
You've got the debate, which will disappear.
It's not going to have much of an impact.
And you've got the Middle East.
So it's not good times for the Democrats right now.
But the Middle East is very concerning, and I think it should be getting a lot more attention.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you say that it's surprising to you that Americans don't care about the foreign conflict?
unidentified
They don't care. Not surprising.
It is... I think it's just fatigue.
I think it's been going on for so long.
You've got the Ukraine war. It's like a nuclear war.
It's been talked about all the whole year.
You've got the Gaza, Gaza, Gaza, Gaza, which as heartbreaking as what's happening there is, how long could people sustain it for?
Even the assassination people are not talking about.
The assassination, almost the close assassination, the Trump was shot in the ear, almost killed.
No one's talking about it. Which one?
Exactly. It's crazy to me.
Me and Tim were talking about it earlier.
The president was almost killed.
So many unanswered questions.
It was not even brought up in either debate.
raymond g stanley-jr
It was like an inch from a frickin' skull.
hannah claire brimelow
Trump had to bring it up in the first one.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it was even closer than that.
I think you're right.
I think Americans are politically fatigued.
And I think that was one of the reasons that the more cordial debate performed well with a lot of them.
But I also think that this was, I think the DNC and I think the Biden-Harris administration relied on fear to be the main motivator.
So it was like, you have to be supportive of Ukraine because Russia is this big, terrible enemy.
You must give them funding.
So they have been... I mean, that was what, almost two years ago?
Almost three at this point? Like...
There has been constant tension and fear.
But if you're in a state of fear and panic, your body actually reaches a level of equilibrium, right?
You get used to it. So then they try to layer more fear on.
Now we have Roe versus Wade and abortion rights.
And actually now Donald Trump is the biggest threat.
And I think Americans are sort of numb to this panic.
But that's the only motivator Democrats have for their voters right now.
unidentified
It's true. It's been nine years of Trump as the boogeyman.
Like, that's almost a decade since he came down to Golden S-Clairs in 2015.
And this goes back to October's surprise.
Like, what more could they possibly find on him that they haven't already tried?
I mean, they did Access Hollywood in 2016.
That was bad. But, I mean, it's hard to imagine there's much worse that would even surprise anybody at this point.
I think the – something to mention where, Tim, me and you met at the – what was it?
Rescue the Republic. The positivity on that front to make America healthy again.
I think the narrative is changing, kind of countering that whole perception of Trump due to the media, of him being the boogeyman.
I think they're doing a really good job with Elon and Kennedy and Tulsi backing him.
I think that perception will slowly shift.
raymond g stanley-jr
So we'll see. When you mentioned that earlier about them, and I know Tim talks about a lot, when you laid their names up, you said Elon, you said Tulsi, you said RFK. Just hearing you say that associated with Trump and JD, it is nice.
unidentified
It's really neat. Three former Democrats.
tim pool
Three former Democrats. I told you, Raymond, we'll get one out by the end of the show.
raymond g stanley-jr
Half of one. Half of one.
tim pool
It is incredible.
RFK Jr. I'm Maha all the way, man.
unidentified
Maha's making America. Maha.
hannah claire brimelow
That's right. But come on, Harris has Dick Cheney.
tim pool
I mean, what do you mean? I love that debate moment when J.D. Vance is like, when we see Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr.
with Donald Trump, and then Tim Walz is like, we've got Bernie Sanders and Dick Cheney.
unidentified
It's like, oh! When I think politics and joy, I think Dick Cheney.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, he's the future of optimism.
tim pool
Aren't these coalitions weird, though?
Like, you've got RFK Jr., Tulsi, Vance, Trump, and then over here you've got Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, Bernie, Kamala.
What is going on with politics in this country?
raymond g stanley-jr
It's a whole new realignment.
It's basically establishment versus populist.
Yeah. It's awesome. I like it.
tim pool
I mean, but what is Bernie Sanders doing?
hannah claire brimelow
He's... He's falling in line.
He was – I listened to this interview where he was like, look, I really thought Biden should stay in and I thought that right up until the end.
But now I think it should be Kamala Harris.
And like there's not really an explanation other than this is what the party has decided and we have to coalesce together so we're against Donald Trump.
I mean, I think that the fall in line instinct for Democrats was cultivated and executed, especially this summer.
But I don't think that there is a genuine tie between Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris, which is very different than RFK, right?
Like RFK has really strong values, ran his own campaign as an independent, and then was like, look, I have goals for this country and I'm going to find a way to make them happen.
And in this case, it's by partnering with Donald Trump.
That's fascinating.
That's much more authentic.
unidentified
Yeah, I just don't see if there's no major October surprise on the Democratic side.
I just don't see how Kamala could win, even though the polls and the betting platforms It's razor thin. It just doesn't add up.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, I was positive in 2020, and then they fortified it, so it stinks.
tim pool
Shadow campaign. Yeah. Fortification.
So that's the challenge we have because I think on the merits, Trump has won the argument.
The economy is not good.
They're lying about it. Illegal immigration is out of control.
And those are the big issues. And Trump's got both of them.
So how are the betting markets 50-50?
How are the prediction markets favoring Kamala?
Shadow campaign. Democrats got better procedure game.
unidentified
You do have to also remember, Kamala was on the betting platforms.
Kamala was winning by a wide margin.
Maybe you can put the chart again.
She was winning by a very wide margin, especially if you go earlier, as soon as she was swapped.
Look at that margin at the beginning. If you go back more to the left.
Almost 10 points. No, that was the Biden one.
10 point difference there.
tim pool
Almost 10 points.
unidentified
Exactly. Almost 10 point difference.
Again, it's surprising to me.
I think there's just a lot of people that just maybe hate Trump's character, for example.
It could be one thing and the JD could balance that.
hannah claire brimelow
Can I ask, for the betting markets, are the betting markets measuring who the average American thinks is likely to win the election or who they want to win the election?
tim pool
So they're betting on. Yeah, exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
Because I think, especially given what happened in 2020 and people's skepticism about election security, there are people who are like, it's going to be Harris because that's who they've decided.
And so you would bet on that, but it's not necessarily indicative of what he's going to win.
unidentified
Exactly, exactly. And that's the question, how much do you trust the system?
Because if you trust the system, that's a positive thing to the betting market because a lot of people don't trust the system and they bet Kamala's going to win even though more people will vote for Trump because it's all corrupt.
But if you trust the system, that means those people are wrong betting because they don't trust the system.
So that's a positive thing to Trump.
If the system is as corrupt as some people believe, then there's no point even looking at the betting markets.
I'm in the cap that the system is not as corrupt, and I hope I'm right, and I'm still a believer.
But I do think there's many ways to influence it unfairly, and we're seeing that, including lawfare.
hannah claire brimelow
Ben, do you have a prediction for our upcoming election?
unidentified
I'm honest. I go back and forth, honestly.
So two years ago, when I was with The Daily Wire, I reported on Pennsylvania's midterms.
And I actually drove to Braddock, Pennsylvania, which is where, of course, John Fairman is from.
And I went asking questions about inflation and those kind of top-of-the-line issues.
And nobody even was thinking about that.
They're like, I'm 70 years old.
I've seen this happen three different times.
They actually, fascinatingly, were obsessed with the infrastructure build that had just passed.
And they're like, oh, our road got fixed.
So I think the fact that Money has been pouring out, and there have been a couple of big Biden administration funding packages.
I think that actually might have an impact.
I don't know.
The polls say one thing about what people value, but when you're that jaded and that set in your mindset on who you vote for politically and who you've been voting for for the past five decades of your life in some cases, maybe the polls don't reflect that as well.
hannah claire brimelow
What do you see as the dynamic for voters between Biden and Harris?
I felt, especially during the first debate, that she would say—she wouldn't use Biden's name, but she'd say, we accomplished so much, and then she would pivot to, I'm going to do this.
But she also obviously has tried to distance herself.
So with infrastructure bills, do Biden's look at that—voters look at that and say, Joe Biden got this, but he's not running anymore, so we don't give credit to Kamala Harris?
Or do they credit Kamala Harris with the new road?
unidentified
Yeah. Yeah, they probably would credit Kamala as well.
But I mean, I think the biggest shift between Biden and Harris is the effect on men.
So I saw David Hogg tweeting about a month ago about this phenomenon.
hannah claire brimelow
Tim Walls' friend, David Hogg.
unidentified
Yeah, Tim Walls' best friend, David Hogg, you know, apparently something about a school shooter.
But he was basically saying that...
He was trying to address the masculinity issue on the Democratic Party side, and he's theorizing.
And basically his conclusion was men went home in 2020, and they went into their basements because they weren't working.
They went online, and they became more misogynistic, and that's why this is happening.
So I think that's the biggest phenomenon is a lot of men won't be able to bring themselves to vote for Kamala.
Her overall vibe, for lack of a better term, but I don't think that Democrats are actually even thinking remotely closely on how to effectively address that issue.
raymond g stanley-jr
A side issue, it's, I guess, aura, I learned today.
Aura, yeah. Aura's the new thing.
So, we're cooked with aura.
She's got some cooked aura going on, but yeah.
tim pool
Cooked. That's the lingo we're using these days, guys, because we've got to be cool.
We've got to be hip with a Gen Z. All right, we're going to go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with everyone you know, because it's the best show on the internet.
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Those are the rules they say. You buy them on iTunes, getcominghome.com.
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Check it out if you like the song.
raymond g stanley-jr
Are we 2 million subscribers yet?
I heard we're close. Are you close?
tim pool
2 million subscribers.
We are currently...
Let's see what we got. Nope.
As of right now, my friends, we have 1,997,323 subscribers.
So we are only about 2,600 or so subscribers away from cracking 2 million.
If you are watching right now and you did not subscribe, you will smash that subscribe button and we will...
Crack $2 million before the show is over.
raymond g stanley-jr
And grab your mom and dad's phones and just press subscribe.
tim pool
Well, if your mom and dads are watching the show.
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Indeed. Thank you, Takti.
hannah claire brimelow
There you go. Did you pay him to say that?
raymond g stanley-jr
No, no. He's a good person.
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard that you hand out bribes in the Discord.
tim pool
I do. Well, you know, I wasn't so sure, but Raymond wears a hat with a rooster on it, and I just was like, well, I like the hat.
raymond g stanley-jr
I got a cock on my head. It's true.
tim pool
You know, I like roosters, so...
Let's go. Crispy Joe says, how long will this dark strike last?
unidentified
What do you guys think? F. Did you see that video of the guy speaking?
Yeah. That's the answer.
It's going to last a long time.
Look, if he did meet Trump, if they had a role to play in it, if Trump has encouraged him to do this for political purposes, then it will obviously last for a long time.
Considering his personality, I think it was planned as well.
The timing of it is spot on.
Think about it. The last time it happened, only one time we can compare it to 1977, I think it was.
Six weeks, the election's in five weeks.
hannah claire brimelow
You said 2002, George Bush invoked the Taft-Hartley Act.
unidentified
Yeah, but Biden can't do that when all the unions support the Democrats.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, but the ports were on strike in 2002 is my point.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly. It was a smaller strike then.
It was, I think, a different port.
I can't remember who it was, but it was a smaller strike.
And you can't use that one as a comparison because the act was activated.
But in this case, if you'll make a comparison to 1977...
And they haven't endorsed the Democrats as well.
It does not look good at all.
It is. I am wondering who is actually going to do negotiation on the Biden campaign, on the Biden administration team.
I mean, Biden himself is, to use the Gen Z word, cooked.
And Harris is not a great negotiator.
She's on the campaign trail. So I'm wondering who's actually going to be doing, who's going to sit down with this guy we were watching from the longshoremen and actually sit down and negotiate terms.
It's hard to imagine who that is at this point.
hannah claire brimelow
I agree. And it makes me wonder, I don't know if you guys know this, has Trump already tried to meet with our friend Harold Daggett?
Because that would be interesting.
Like in the weeks leading up to the election, he's already like going to the table prepared to negotiate.
unidentified
You're talking about the head of the union?
Yeah. Yeah. Other than the meeting in 2023?
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, I don't know.
I hope it wouldn't look good if he does, though, because people start pointing out there's some collusion there.
So I don't think they should be.
Interesting. Yeah, I think any talk should be private if anyone from Trump campaign is listening.
It wouldn't look good at all because it has to look genuine.
Otherwise, it could backfire really badly for them.
tim pool
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raymond g stanley-jr
Hey, buddy. Grofty's OG. Indeed.
tim pool
How many months you said? Grofty, 30 months.
Nice. That is a very long time.
You rock, Grofty. Horsehead says, this song resonates with what is happening where I live.
You see Main Street pics in the old part of town in all its glory in the 50s.
Now addicts shoot up in broad daylight and tents are everywhere.
Okay, so the song is called Coming Home by Timcast.
Watch the video and I'll describe it for you because some people might be skeptics and they're like, well, I don't really care.
But I'll explain it anyway. We're good to go.
I like to do this thing where when I look at an old abandoned building, I try to imagine what it was like when it was finally built.
And the owner comes out with the employees and they cut the ribbon and they say, look at our new factory.
And now 40 years later, the windows are all smashed out.
There's homeless people inside, rats, drugs, disease.
And you just wonder, how does this fall apart?
How does it happen? Worse still, because I understand that buildings fall apart and sometimes these things happen, when you go to our once great American cities and you see in the center of San Francisco, they're abandoning the mall, they're abandoning the hotels, there's human waste everywhere.
How did this happen to San Francisco?
San Francisco was a great tech hub.
What happened? In New York, in D.C., tent cities everywhere, in Chicago, tent cities.
How is this happening?
I don't know. Failed leadership across the board.
And, you know, the song that we wrote is basically, we're not going to stand for it anymore.
It's time to shut it down.
Things have to change. So that's coming home.
unidentified
First time I hear you sing, by the way.
tim pool
It's pretty impressive. Oh yeah, thank you. Appreciate it.
I'm not surprised. It's our eighth release, I think?
Or is it seven, maybe? I don't know.
And we have another song we're trying to get out for Halloween, which is meant to be a much, much sillier song.
I don't want to give away too much, but Puppets Are Attacking Us is going to be funny.
Oh, nice. Yeah, shout out to Jack Posovic.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, for your little doll guy?
tim pool
Yeah, we're getting more made because they're hilarious and we're going to have Muppets running around.
unidentified
You should do one about censorship.
I'd love that one. I'd share the hell out of that one.
tim pool
We kind of do. It's called Genocide.
Shit. Yeah, I don't know.
I guess we didn't play it when you were here, but this is where we have corporate press personalities like Don Lemon and Cuomo singing, and the song is about breaking out of their controlled information machine.
You can check it out. Check it out after this one.
And everyone says that's their favorite song that we put out.
unidentified
Oh, wow. Tim Pool Genocide.
tim pool
Is that what I said? Timcast. Genocide music, yeah.
And we used AI. The word thing to Google.
Yeah. Well, that's the name of the song.
unidentified
I know. I'm just kidding. Great name, Tim.
tim pool
Well, we were like, should we change the name because that's pretty brutal and they might censor it.
I think they kind of did because it got a lot of interaction and engagement.
The views are lower than the other songs.
And I was like, I don't want to call it anything else.
It is what it is. But it's basically we make – there's a lot of jokes in the video where I'm playing this news reporter and it says things like lockdowns are good for you.
Giving your money to the government to fund wars is actually healthy and helpful.
Yeah. We have Ian standing reporting on drone strikes and it says mostly peaceful drone strikes, all that stuff.
And then in the end it says the world is ending.
Here's why that's a good thing. All the lies of the corporate press.
unidentified
A year ago. Yeah, yeah, a year ago.
tim pool
And I think we hit the charts on that one.
I'm not sure. Jaylor Krenn says, Vance is vanilla ice cream because even lactose intolerant people love ice cream.
Vance and Vivek for 2028 has a ring to it.
I'm feeling hopeful. Vance and Vivek 2028.
I like it, but is Vivek going to be a VP? I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I want to know if he's going to get Vance's Senate seat.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, that's right. That's still a thing.
unidentified
Would he take a position in Ohio? Yeah, right. Well, would it be DeWine who appoints it, the governor of Ohio?
Yeah, he's a complete rhino.
I'd be shocked if he picked Ronald Swamy.
He's going to pick some longtime guy who's basically been in line for that kind of appointment, is my prediction on that.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, so everyone message DeWine, let him know if you want.
raymond g stanley-jr
Can we get like Vance, Vivek, and Tulsi, you know, like somehow?
Maybe she can be like Secretary of...
You want co-VP? Yeah, I want everyone who's good and cares about America and wants to save lives and make us better to be in charge, for sure.
unidentified
Yeah, is Tulsi going to be involved in the Trump administration in any way like Bobby and – Hopefully.
Fingers crossed. We don't know anything yet.
raymond g stanley-jr
Nothing's mentioned. Not that I know of myself.
Ms. Santa Clara is a reporter or journalist.
hannah claire brimelow
Nothing's out yet. I mean she's obviously serving as an advisor on the Trump campaign.
She helped with debate prep, but it's not – I should have promised that she would.
unidentified
Yeah, come on. A few days ago, I'm like, yeah, I'll regret it a bit now.
By the way, one thing, I know we're doing the questions from the audience, but this one thing is really good news talking about free speech is the court.
Remember, Tim, we talked about it earlier as well.
The court blocked the California law on deceptive election deepfakes.
That's right. So I think they...
tim pool
That was actually big news we didn't get to.
Yeah, they ruled us unconstitutional.
Exactly. Memes are allowed.
unidentified
Nice. Yeah. So they said that the ban is too broad.
There's a very good reason that it's too broad and it could be abused.
And the cool thing, they said counter speech is the solution, not banning speech.
That's a perfect response.
Absolutely. That's a perfect response.
And then I tweeted about it.
Alex Jones replies. Where's Alex Jones' reply?
He says, ah, First Amendment stands in Patrick Bateman's way.
They will try to outlaw free speech again.
Democrats are the threat to democracy as they like to call it.
I would agree with him. I think they'll keep trying to – we saw John Kerry's comments a couple of days ago as well, which just wasn't the most assuring.
It's a win, though.
tim pool
It's a win. John Grandia says you should really try to hammer home Vance's response on the abortion issue.
I know you talk about it, but this is the issue this election and the undecided need to hear his response from the debate.
Well, I agree it is a issue.
The issue is the economy, and the second issue is immigration, and that's what we're seeing across all the polls.
Abortion is the only thing Democrats have to move on, but it's lower on the charts.
unidentified
It's sad to see that child sacrifice is something that motivates tens of millions of people to go and vote in our country.
It's good laws and it's good culture.
You really need both. That's why I need a firm Republican Party that's actually holding the line on saying babies are murdered.
These are image bearers of God who are being sacrificed on the altar of convenience.
raymond g stanley-jr
Hold on, my friend. I don't mean to cut off superchats, but they're not being sacrificed.
Sacrificed is when you make an omen to someone or something like that.
Unless they are, too. They're devil or whatever, but they are murdering human life.
Yeah. The terminology is saying they sacrifice.
I think of someone on a pedestal, on a big old piece of stone, being like...
unidentified
Well, yeah.
So, I mean, everybody worships is what it boils down to.
So, if you worship yourself and there's a baby in the way of you having lots of sex or just...
You have a career. You have a college degree you want to get.
That's where the sacrifice comes in, is you are serving yourself, is really what it boils down to.
I agree. You know, maybe, you know, in centuries past and millennia past, it was Moloch and you bring your child to burn inside that big bronze statue.
But nowadays it's, yeah, I want to continue, you know, sleeping with this man.
I want to stay in school.
And, you know, of course there's cases where, yes, there is legitimate difficulty, there's tough situations, but we know that the vast majority is just convenience and prosperity.
It's the same thing that led people to kill babies way back in the day because they thought that it would make their crops grow.
tim pool
Thank you. Did it make their crops grow?
unidentified
I don't think so. I think they were swiftly judged by the one true living God.
tim pool
Hillbilly Tarzan said, Things are bad in Western North Carolina.
Government is focusing aid in the only Democrat areas of West NC. It destroyed my entire town of Lansing.
Every building flooded, even the FD Give, Send, Go Appalachia Relief Fund.
Even the FD? Oh, Give, Send, Go Appalachia Relief Fund.
hannah claire brimelow
Right on. I keep hearing this, that people in North Carolina are saying that they're being punished because their area is red.
I don't know. It's difficult to confirm, right, because the reports are so sketchy.
On the other hand, is this correlation or causation?
Are red districts in North Carolina more rural and therefore more difficult to serve during times of emergency?
If you're a major city and so you're the only blue area...
Obviously, you would probably get a certain number of resources first just based on that.
But I would really hope that Joe Biden, who just went to North Carolina and said this is not time for politics, would not be depriving people of resources because he's like, well, you're red, so I don't care about you.
unidentified
Right. Well, I actually just started writing a piece, you know, interviewing multiple people who are helping with the disaster, especially in Tennessee.
But, you know, you always hear that the federal government is doing a great job and that's an easy, you know, scapegoat.
But they are legitimately saying we have not seen anything federal, you know, all these people who are helping across Appalachia.
And yeah, I mean, hopefully that article will be up in the next few days at republicsensinal.com.
But yeah, it's not looking good for them.
I do want to mention something talking about North Carolina.
Something interesting because I was with Commissioner Brendan Carr yesterday from the FCC and he talked about how Elon is being targeted by the various alphabet agencies.
And Starlink, they've had $900 million a few months ago revoked, which was a grant because apparently they weren't meeting certain standards.
They're not even meant to meet for another couple of years.
Why does that matter? Well, not only is the government using Starlink, Starlink was just used in North Carolina.
I think Biden was taking credit for...
Wasn't Trump? Trump spoke to Elon about sending Starlink to those rural areas and I saw a tweet my team put out about Biden taking credit for it.
So it's just the irony there is difficult not to mention.
It reminds me a lot of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, where you have the really effective businessman who all the bureaucrats absolutely hate.
So in that book, it was the guy who was...
I think his last name was Hank Reardon, so he was making Reardon steal.
So the most objectively effective businessman was enemy number one, even though he was the one person who had it together.
It's the same with Elon Musk in our country, where even a couple years ago, we were talking about unions.
There was this big union event, or big automakers event at the White House, and they snubbed Tesla, even though Tesla is the only...
Major manufacturers actually making cars in the United States, and they went for Ford and GM and all these things.
hannah claire brimelow
Elon Musk has been a popular villain in progressive culture for a little while now, even before he endorsed Donald Trump this summer.
There is something about him that left-wing Americans really hate.
unidentified
Yeah, look... It's just too far.
Like, Biden said the following.
I've directed the deployment of styling satellites.
50 are in place now. More will follow, allowing people in areas like Kent to call for help where there's no cell service.
Where is the mention of Elon?
Where's the mention of Elon for once?
And you talked about the summit for the EV, the EV summit, where Elon was not even mentioned.
You've had the FBI. You had the Fish and Wildlife, whatever you call it, organization that sued SpaceX because they found a few crabs and quail eggs that were burnt because of a space launch.
You've got Elon trying to launch...
A rocket, try to take people to Mars, and he's being held up by regulators because a few quail eggs and crabs were burnt.
That upsets me the most.
tim pool
Let's go. We'll grab some more Super Chats here.
Quantum Strange Quark says, I'm looking forward to Vance Vivek 2028.
Everyone, please check your voter registration to be sure you're ready for November.
Trump Vance 2024. Indeed, I did.
I hope you all did, too. Yeah.
Yep. Yep. Hopefully everything works out right.
What day is it? It's Tuesday, right?
Today? The election. The election's on Tuesday, right?
Yeah, yeah. We're going to have to make sure everybody here has the day to go.
We'll go to field trip. We'll get a school bus.
Or we'll open up the back of the Cybertruck and everyone will just climb in.
hannah claire brimelow
Drop us off at our cyber polling station.
raymond g stanley-jr
I'll be late at work that day. I'll do it in the morning and then come down for the panel session.
unidentified
There you go. Let's go.
tim pool
Jared says, Vivek is also pretty fantastic.
hannah claire brimelow
Smartest guy in politics. And they're from a similar area, right?
They're both from Ohio.
I think maybe Vivek spent some time in Kentucky growing up.
But this is really good for this part of Appalachia being like, ah, we have representation.
And also being from here isn't a death sentence.
I mean, I think about the fentanyl crisis and who was the most affected by it.
I mean, this was a region without hope for a long time.
But if you actually spend time with people there, it's a really fascinating and strong culture.
raymond g stanley-jr
That's a positive. I love that. That's a very positive message you can get out of that.
You can get out of the inner city. You can get out of Appalachia.
tim pool
I like that. HawksTheHuman says, have you guys bought the official Trump coin yet?
Trump tweeted about it last week.
No, but I have the Biden and Trump for prison coins right there.
unidentified
Have you seen them? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You can flip them over on the back.
You got Trump in prison or Biden in prison, whichever one you want.
hannah claire brimelow
And Tim's buying me one of the $100,000 watches.
raymond g stanley-jr
Is he? I'm just kidding.
tim pool
Nice bonus. Ladies and gentlemen, these skateboards are back in stock for those that have been asking about it.
So if you go to boonieshq.com, I know everybody loves the boobies board, but everybody was demanding the boobies board.
And this is Sam's pro model.
This is the boobies. And he just thought it was funny to put a B over boonies and then put a blue-footed boobie.
And everyone's been demanding more of this skateboard, so they're all up at boonieshq.com, especially for those that want the Step on Snek and Find Out skateboard.
Those sold out instantly, like within hours, and they are available again.
I don't know. We might have a bit more in stock, but you probably want to get them now while you still can.
Taylor Silverman Pro Model, if you want to support women, women's sports.
Taylor stood up against men who were competing women's sports, and the machine came after her for it.
So she's got a skateboard. Of course, I got my skateboard.
And Mr. Bocas has a pro model.
It's the one that's actually...
Well, you can't see it right now, but it's usually right behind me.
raymond g stanley-jr
Sam is a great addition.
tim pool
Yeah, he's great. He's been here, man.
raymond g stanley-jr
I think, yeah, he's killing it. And boobies, forget about it.
tim pool
I didn't even know we had this, and people were like, I want the boobies board.
raymond g stanley-jr
And I was like... I want a boobies board.
A boobies board? I like boobies.
tim pool
And it's just a blue-footed boobie.
It's a silly-looking bird.
I love it. Birds are great.
unidentified
How often do you guys use your skate park?
tim pool
Every single day. Every day.
Yeah, bro. I was skating over today. Wow.
Yep. Skating today.
What did I do? I don't think I did.
I didn't think substantial today.
raymond g stanley-jr
I walk around and do things.
And then the guys are skateboarding. And I'm jealous because I can't do kickflips.
And then I go cry in the shower.
I'm like, man. You could learn.
hannah claire brimelow
That's a very defeatist attitude.
raymond g stanley-jr
It was. It was. Yeah.
tim pool
Let's see. Spivster says, Walt in that pic looks like he'd really enjoy a bottle of Chianti.
I suppose. Horsehead says, Tim, you and Zuby should make a track.
I've talked to Zuby about it.
I think we've got to get to it.
I mean, look, our last song was like seven months ago.
So we have this one song out right now.
And the challenge is, right now we're looking at most people don't know the difference between Apple Music and iTunes.
And they've rigged the game.
raymond g stanley-jr
Wait, hold on. There's a difference between Apple and iTunes?
unidentified
Aren't they the same thing? No. I had no idea either.
It's the first time I hear this.
tim pool
Yep. So if you are getting the song on Apple Music, it is doing nothing.
They've rigged the game to make sure that they choose who's the Billboard charts.
It's all fake. It's 100% fake.
Basically, the way it works right now is if the digital streaming platforms put you in rotation, you're Billboard number one.
End of story. And so they try to play it off like these are the songs that people like.
People just like it when the gay dude bangs the devil.
You remember that song? People aren't choosing to listen to WAP and things like this. But the thing is, there's no real way to get into these systems. It used to be even a year or two ago, we put out music, you could just sell the song. And Billboard was tracking your song sales. Then they started removing the capability because people like me and Tom McDonald, and other people, Bryson Gray, were putting out songs that were continually charting. And they were like, these outsiders
should not be allowed to represent music. So then, the last song we put out was Eyes of Advice before we take together again. And they told us our song sales 35,000 didn't Can't do it. We're not going to let you do it.
Then we were told...
Amazon song sales maybe will sometimes count.
We don't know for sure. What's happening is that independent artists are generating massive amounts of sales that the industry cannot, but the industry doesn't want people who are outside of their purview and their control to be the top-ranking artists.
I mean, Tom McDonald just smashes.
He should be on the charts every single time he puts a song out.
And for some reason, they're just like, not today, Tom.
You don't count. Even though he's getting millions of hits.
So they basically told us the only thing that counts is iTunes.
The problem is there's Apple Music and iTunes.
So people try to go to iTunes and they get redirected to Apple Music.
It doesn't count. They basically just cut it off.
raymond g stanley-jr
There's no way to do it. When I download the Apple Music app that I have, I have to go to the website.
tim pool
No, you got to go on a computer.
raymond g stanley-jr
Right, that's what I mean. I'm sorry, my laptop and do the actual iTunes.
tim pool
You got to download the iTunes program and buy the song on iTunes.
Yep. And so, of course, that's very difficult for people because that's an old app people don't really use.
But imagine, I mean, it's just that's the game they've made.
They've made it so that it's basically impossible.
The only way to actually get on Billboard is if a record label cuts a deal with the digital streaming service like Apple Music, Pandora, Spotify, and says, anybody opens the app, just play this song.
That auto-generates streams.
It's completely fake.
And then they say, no, that counts.
That counts. That's real, actually.
Talk about gatekeeping. Yep.
And then YouTube recommends a lot of these same things.
And, you know, there is an argument you can make for them like, hey, look, this artist has got a song coming out.
We know people like it. We're going to bet on that.
But that basically means that independent artists will never be able to get in unless our record label chooses them to get in.
So when we start generating independent sales and we should be charting like everybody else, they just go, nah, you know, we decided that doesn't count.
Why don't you do a deal with one of the big labels and then come out, get on stage.
You guys remember when we saw Paramore go on stage and say Donald Trump, Project 2025 and all that garbage?
It's because, I'm willing to bet, they go to her and they say, you know what happens if you don't do what we want you to politically?
We'll just say don't put them in rotation anymore and no one will hear your music ever again.
And there's nothing you can do about it.
They don't say it like that. They say, come on, you know everyone's doing it.
This is what we expect of you at the label.
And they go, okay, yeah, yeah, whatever you say.
And that's the game! It's all fake.
unidentified
It sounds like we need X music or something like that.
Some kind of disruption. Elon!
tim pool
Hook it up. Or I think the reality is we just need to start tracking our own charts for bands and musicians that are actually generating real influence and a new way to measure whether or not a song is influential.
Because people are like, oh yeah, I heard that song.
If I pull up the Billboard 100 right now, I bet half the songs you guys are going to be like, I have no idea what that song is.
raymond g stanley-jr
Guaranteed. I have zero idea.
tim pool
And then when Taylor Swift releases music and nine of the top ten are all her song, it's like, does anyone really believe...
Some people do. It's all rigged.
It's all fake. All right.
Ronan Jack says, Tim, are you blind?
That isn't Ben Zizeloff.
That is a freshly shaved J.D. Vance sneaking up on your shirt.
unidentified
I knew it. I was going to make some kind of joke about my wife not liking beards, which she does not, but I can't grow one anyway, so it doesn't even matter.
tim pool
Ferdinand is beloved, says Tim, all I think with Maha, we will finally see some significant changes in human DNA and intelligence, almost like a spiritual awakening.
Of course, it may come after a significant tragedy or loss.
I mean, people be chugging fluoride, you know?
unidentified
When it comes to America's health, that's probably one of the biggest learning lessons I got from the Rescue of the Republic.
I was interviewing Mr.
Big Tree from the Kennedy campaign, and he started giving some of the stats.
Me and Tim were talking about this earlier as well.
And I think that's one of the issues that could start gaining a lot of attention now.
It's a bit too late for this election, but I think in the next election, yeah, I think we'll get a lot more attention when people realize how bad the health of the American citizen is.
And I think it's the worst among all the advanced economies, all the first world, for lack of a better term, countries.
And it's new.
raymond g stanley-jr
It's kind of breaking news with the last year or two.
hannah claire brimelow
I felt like it was telling that Theo Vaughn, you know, he interviewed Bernie Sanders and then the Trump interview was right after.
And in both, he brought up health.
It's too expensive, addiction, pre-existing conditions, medical debt, things like that.
Like these are the concerns of average Americans that you're relying on to go to the polls.
The fact that you would have to demand answers from both the Democrat and Republican is showing that it really is an issue that more people want answers.
unidentified
Yeah. I think the two problems I think we're getting to actually the next election cycle will be health and censorship.
tim pool
Mr. Putty had said, Tim Waltz's wide eyes is the exact same look as the screaming triggered leftist lady meme.
It is a fear response.
Fear is what motivates the left.
I think he was terrified.
I think he was panicking. It was brutal.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, he sensed danger was near.
He sensed that he was in danger.
raymond g stanley-jr
Guys, don't vote for us because we're terrible for the country.
tim pool
Alright, I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says this is completely unrelated, but I don't care.
Since it's spooky month, let's go around the table and find a great Halloween movie or show to watch.
That's a good Halloween movie.
raymond g stanley-jr
I loved Little Monsters growing up.
I was a big fan. If you're my age...
It's not like horror, though. So, okay, then horror would be the new version of Evil Dead.
If you want to be scared, Evil Dead...
Eh. What do you mean? You asked me for horror.
tim pool
What are you looking for? Evil Dead's comedy.
raymond g stanley-jr
You want a comedy? No, no, no.
The newer version is definitely not.
tim pool
It's not comedy? No, I'm going to look it up.
Original with Bruce Campbell.
raymond g stanley-jr
That was amazing. No, this is freaky scary.
The woman in the basement coming out.
tim pool
I think there's a movie I saw.
I think it's called The Innkeepers.
I'm not sure. Innkeepers.
Yeah, that's a tight one. It was like an indie film, right?
From like 10 years ago. That was really good.
People liked it. Yeah. All right, everybody.
If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, and let's take a look at where we're currently at.
We are right now at 1,998,201.
So we need but 1,799 more subscribers and we will crack 2 million, which likely means by the end of the night we will be at 2 million subscribers on this.
unidentified
We'll do a competition. I was watching Elon's as well.
Elon's at $199,944,843.
So he's $60,000 away from $200 million.
So I think it's a competition. Will Elon or Tim, will you get, what, $2 million?
tim pool
I only need about $1,000.
unidentified
You need $1,000. You need $60,000.
We'll see who gets it first.
I kind of think anyone that wants Tim to get it first, I think you should subscribe now.
raymond g stanley-jr
Evil Dead 2013.
It'll knock your socks off.
tim pool
All right, everybody. Go to TimCast.com right now.
The members-only show is coming up in about a minute or so.
You don't want to miss it. You can follow me on Axe at TimCast.
And... Get our song if you want to help support our work.
They're making it impossible, and it's brutal.
It really is, and maybe this is just it.
I was predicting this.
After our last release, which is like nine months ago, when they told us that independent resellers no longer count, I was like, they've basically announced publicly that they will no longer allow you to sell music to chart, which is the original method of actually charting.
Who sells the most? Now I think they're actually icing out the very last...
Which is iTunes. They're basically saying, that's it, you're done.
So getcominghome.com, but it's got to be on the iTunes player, not the Apple Music player.
There are two different things. You see how they make it impossible.
And yeah, follow me on X. Ben, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Yeah, you can go to our website, republicsensinal.com.
And toward the top, there's a place to put your email address.
So you can find us on X too, but mostly we're distributing via email.
So encourage folks to do that.
Again, that's republicsensinal.com.
Mario? Follow Tim.
So we hit 2 million followers by the end of today and then we get credit.
Well, this will be the episode where Tim, he reaches 2 million followers and I get a bit of credit for it since I'm on this episode.
tim pool
I think at least by the time we wrap up the members show, we'll be over two million.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, perfect. Yeah. We can watch it rolling live during members.
unidentified
Nice. Where can people find you? X. I think I'm very active on X. I love X. And yeah, just check out Mario Nofol on X. I had a great time.
raymond g stanley-jr
Pleasure meeting you two gentlemen. Thank you.
unidentified
Good to be here.
raymond g stanley-jr
My name is Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
on X. You can follow me there.
And also, don't forget about the people in North Carolina, Florida.
Tennessee, all those things.
Give a dollar. If everyone, like, 50,000 people give a dollar, or 2 million people give a dollar, all you gotta do is give a dollar to the one company campaign you like.
That means a huge amount.
hannah claire brimelow
Ms. Santa Clara. It's been great to have you all here, especially on this, the eve of such a historic event, the 2 million subscriber mark.
Thanks so much for coming out and joining us.
I'm Hannah Claire Brimlow. I'm a writer.
You can follow my...
Sorry, I'm so tongue-tied tonight.
You can follow me on Instagram at HannahClaire.b.
I'm on X and everywhere else at HannahClaireB.
Really, guys, thanks for everything you guys do.
It's the backbone of this operation, in my opinion.
tim pool
Have a great night. We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about one minute.
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