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DOJ Indicts Russians For Funding US Company, Tenet Media Alleged w/Anthony Constantino | Timcast IRLDOJ Indicts Russians For Funding US Company, Tenet Media Alleged w/Anthony Constantino | Timcast IRL
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anthony constantino
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hannah claire brimelow
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ian crossland
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tim pool
Man, I guess this is Tim Week in the news because I'm just in the news all the time.
Now, admittedly, it wasn't my fault that the Harris campaign accused me of calling for what is tantamount to a genocide of Democrats.
That's a lie, by the way.
And we are currently in the process of drafting our formal complaint.
We will be filing a lawsuit.
But now news broke the DOJ Said that RT employees were covertly funding a U.S.
company publishing thousands of videos in furtherance of Russian interests, and it is presumed that company is Tenet Media.
For those who aren't familiar, this is a new media company, and we licensed one of our shows, Culture War, to them.
And now I'm getting hit up by like everybody in the media.
They're emailing me and they're tweeting at me and sending me DMs being like, what's going on with this?
Well, I'll make clear immediately in the start of the show.
Did you read the indictment?
It clearly says that I as well as the other personalities were victims.
We were deceived by people intentionally to trick us into licensing our content to them.
I will add, I have a statement about this, which, you know, we'll launch the full segment, but we never produced anything for them.
We had an existing show that was already in production that they licensed distribution for, which meant that the show that we already produced appeared on their network.
That was the gist of the deal.
There's no one from their company involved with ours.
Their company paid a license fee to broadcast a show that we produce, that we run, that our employees are involved with, and they have nothing to do with.
I don't know what... I mean, like, politically, you're gonna see a bunch of Democrats making claims and all this other stuff.
I can't speak for anybody else involved in the company, because I don't know what they do, or what their jobs are, or anything like that.
I can just tell you plainly, Culture War existed well before the license agreement.
It will exist well after the license agreement, and they licensed it for a set period, and that meant that the show appeared on their channel.
That's it.
Like any other show appearing on any other network, we produce it on our own.
So we'll talk about that.
And admittedly, it's a slow news day.
I guess that's why people are talking about me and Benny Johnson, you know, Dave Rubin, all that stuff.
And I like those guys.
So we'll defend them as well, because this is BS.
But we do have statements from them.
But we'll talk about a couple of the other stories.
Liz Cheney's endorsing Kamala Harris.
Not surprising.
And the entire Waltz family is endorsing Trump.
Which is kind of weird, but sure.
Not like Tim Waltz's kids, but just like his extended family.
So we'll talk about all that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Anthony Constantino.
anthony constantino
Happy to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
anthony constantino
I got a company called Sticker Mule, and I made waves a few weeks ago for apparently you can't say that it's not nice to hate Trump supporters, so I sent a thing out telling our customers, you know, people need to stop hating Trump supporters.
Apparently you can't say that, and it ended up becoming a big thing.
I ended up being the talk of the town, particularly on Threads.
I told everyone Threads became the Mark Zuckerberg's website, which he made to Mess up X or whatever, but I became the talk of the town on Threads.
Became the Sticker Mill fan club for a week and also talked about all over the internet, YouTube, YouTube rails and all this other stuff.
unidentified
So Sticker Mill is a huge company.
anthony constantino
1,200 people, 39 countries.
unidentified
Wow.
anthony constantino
I live in Mexico, so yeah.
tim pool
And then you just endorsed Trump.
anthony constantino
Uh, you know, more so than that, I just came out and said the hate for a supporter's gotta stop, you know?
tim pool
Oh, right on.
anthony constantino
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, okay, right on.
Well, thanks for coming.
This should be interesting.
We'll hear all about that story.
We got Ian hanging out.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Uh, good to be here.
I've been streaming hard during the days, so check me out on my YouTube channels and stuff.
I've been doing a lot of Diablo 4 and talking philosophy.
It's been exhilarating.
I just did a, uh...
Doing daily covers songs.
I think I did Brain Stew by Green Day Today.
It's really, that's a good one.
And if you need, when you're moving around, you can take this mic around with you so it's always tight to your face.
It makes it a lot easier.
Good to see you, dude.
anthony constantino
Thank you.
ian crossland
Let's get into it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's good to have you here.
I'm glad you could join us.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com, Skinner News.
Check them out.
At Tim Kess News on the Internet.
Let's get started.
tim pool
Here we go!
From the post-millennial, DOJ indicts two RT media-affiliated Russians, accuses them of laundering $10 million to conservative company Tenet Media to sow division in U.S.
The DOJ alleged that the two concocted a scheme to create and distribute content to U.S.
audiences with hidden Russian government messaging.
Well, let me just take the word of the DOJ straight from the DOJ website.
I'll issue some clarification.
I have a statement on this, which I will read for you in a second.
When I first learned of this story, literally, I'm skateboarding, and I get a DM from a journalist asking if I would talk about the Russian allegations or whatever, and I was like, what?
I was like, what allegations?
And then they sent me a tweet, and I'm like, I ain't reading that.
Like, I'm sorry this happened to you or whatever.
And then he said something.
I'm like, dude, I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
And so then I get some calls after a conversation with a few people.
I was like, all right, I'll put out a statement.
And I thought it was a leaked indictment.
I didn't realize the DOJ actually did a press conference on all this stuff.
So then when I, I just, I just corrected and changed it.
And so let me, let me read this for you and then we'll give the context as to what this means for us and for you.
I will stress that this literally has nothing to do with Timcast Media in any way.
I want to make sure that's very, very clear.
The Culture War podcast is a separate company that produces The Culture War, and it licensed a show to Tenet, and that was it.
There's no direct connection between this and TimCast.
They say two RT employees indicted for covertly funding and directing a U.S.
company that published thousands of videos and furtherance of Russian interests.
They say an indictment charging Russian nationals Konstantin Kalishnikov, 31, also known as Kostya, and Elena Afanasyeva, 27, also known as Lena, with conspiracy to violate the Foreign Agents Registration Act and conspiracy to commit money laundering, was unsealed today in the Southern District of New York.
They're both at large.
Were these people in America?
The Justice Department has charged two employees of RT, a Russian state-controlled media outlet, in a $10 million scheme to create and distribute content to U.S.
audiences with hidden Russian government messaging.
Said Merrick Garland, the Justice Department will not tolerate attempts by an authoritarian regime to exploit our country's free exchange of ideas in order to covertly further its own propaganda efforts, and our investigation into this matter remains ongoing.
Our approach to combating foreign malign influence is actor-driven, exposing the hidden hand of adversaries pulling strings of influence from behind the curtain," said Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco.
As alleged in today's indictment, Russian state broadcaster RT and its employees, including the charged defendants, co-opted online commentators by funneling them nearly $10 million to pro-Russia propaganda and disinformation across social media to U.S.
audiences.
The department will not tolerate foreign efforts to illegally manipulate American public opinion
by sowing discord and division.
COVID attempts to sow division and trick Americans into unwittingly consuming foreign propaganda
represents attacks on our democracy, said Christopher Wray.
Today's actions show that as long as foreign adversaries like Russia keep engaging in hostile
influence campaigns, they are going to keep running into the FBI.
We'll continue to do everything we can to expose the hidden hand of foreign adversaries
like Russia and disrupt their efforts to meddle in our free and open society.
The Russian government has long sought to sow discord and chaos in the United States through propaganda and foreign-aligned influence campaigns.
Okay, they're just repeating themselves.
I will say this again.
These are charges.
It's an indictment.
They're allegations not yet proven true.
I have not spoken to any of the people involved in running Tenet, so I don't know what is going on with that company.
They deposit nearly $10 million to covertly fund its and direct a Tennessee-based online content creation company.
In turn, U.S.
company One published English-language videos on multiple social media channels, including TikTok, Instagram, Axe, and YouTube.
Since publicly launching in or about November 2023, they've posted nearly 2,000 videos and have garnered more than 16 million views on YouTube alone.
Many of the videos posted by U.S.
Company One contain commentary on events and issues in the U.S.
such as immigration, inflation, and other topics related to domestic and foreign policy.
While the views expressed in those videos are not uniform, most are directed to the publicly stated goals of the government of Russia and RT to amplify domestic divisions in the United States.
I mean, that's a strong opinion, but I can't speak for the other commentators, so I don't know.
I can only speak for what we produce on The Culture War.
which is available on iTunes and Spotify.
In order to carry out RT's secret influence campaign, they say these individuals posed as outside editors at the
company and monitored the funding and hiring.
They introduced Afanasy Yeva as a member of the ported editing team
using fake personas, Helena Schroeder and Victoria Pesti.
They blah blah blah.
They say, for one example, in March 22nd, 2024, terror attack on a music venue in Moscow, Afanasyeva asked one of U.S.
company's founders to blame Ukraine and the U.S.
for the attack, writing, I think we could focus on the Ukraine-U.S.
angle.
The mainstream media spread fake news that ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack, yet ISIS itself never made such statements.
All terrorists are now detained while they were heading to the border with Ukraine.
Didn't we say that was ISIS?
We covered it.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought we said it was ISIS, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, we covered that story.
We said it was ISIS.
And they're arguing that Tenet was saying it was Ukraine or something?
ian crossland
This is what the terrorist attack on October 7th.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure we called it ISIS, and we were like, oh wow.
I thought we talked about the spread of Islamic extremism in Europe, but... Which also is... Anyway, so they go on to mention that $9.7 million was...
was sent.
The document names a few people, but they do this thing where they don't name the person.
But if you're fans of The Simpsons, then you'll remember that episode where they said, it's Principal Skinner, and he's like, a certain person has complained, we'll call her Lisa S. No, that's not good enough.
We'll say Elle Simpson.
Yeah.
And so everybody knows her.
So when they go in this document, and they basically say, like, here's a person, here's how many subscribers they have.
And here's the show they produce, but we're not saying their name.
You get I don't know what they're doing and why.
So I got a statement for you guys.
I said my statement regarding the DOJ indictment.
Should these allegations prove true, I as well as other personalities and commentators
were deceived and are victims.
I cannot speak for anyone else in the company as to what they do or what they are instructed.
The Culture War podcast was licensed by Tenet Media.
It existed well before any license agreement with Tenet.
It will continue to exist after any such agreement expires.
The only change of the agreement was that the location of the live broadcast moved to
Tenet's YouTube channel.
I, in The Culture War, never produced content, any content, for Tenet Media.
And I want to clarify that, too, because I got community noted on this thing.
We didn't take orders, instruction, or editorial guidance in any way.
The only thing that we had was, we produce The Culture War Friday mornings at 10 a.m.
You can go to youtube.com slash Timcast.
That's where it is.
But the core broadcast of the show moved from that channel to Tenet as part of a licensing agreement.
So like, if, I don't know, say...
CBS or some major network said, hey, we want to put TimCast IRL also on our channel at the same time slot.
I'd be like, sure, whatever, pay us a fee.
I wouldn't know what they were doing.
I wouldn't know what commercials they were running.
I don't know what they're saying.
And so that's basically what we did.
Now considering this, and I don't know what is true or not.
I think what is likely going to happen is that the show is just going to revert back to the same exact show that it always was, and it's going to be on YouTube.com slash Timcast as we do.
That's the only thing I can really say, I don't know.
Let me read more.
Never at any point did anyone other than I have full editorial control of the show, and its contents of the show are often apolitical.
Examples include discussing spirituality, dating, and video games.
In fact, we had one episode called, Is Donald Trump the Antichrist?
Or is it Elon Musk?
Which is literally when we brought on these dudes who think Donald Trump is the Antichrist.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Drew Tang was one of them, I think.
I wasn't around for that yet.
Drew.
tim pool
I say the show is produced in its entirety by our local team without input from anyone external to the company.
The Culture War is a separate company not associated with TimCast.com or other properties.
It exists solely for the production of the Culture War podcast.
That being said, we still do not know what is true.
These are only allegations.
Putin is a scumbag.
Russia sucks donkey balls.
And to the journalists who wish to jump the gun, create their own narrative, or lie about what is currently going on, you can eat my Irish ass.
And I will stress, I am Irish.
Just because I'm also Korean doesn't mean I'm not Irish.
hannah claire brimelow
Is that what your community voted on?
They were like, Tim Pool is not, in fact, Irish?
tim pool
Well, I had people tweeting at me like, you're Irish now?
I'm more Irish than I am Korean!
Come on!
Geez.
Anyway, Dave Rubin issued a statement.
He says, statement on the DOJ indictment, these allegations clearly show that I and
other commentators were the victims of this scheme.
I knew absolutely nothing about any of this fraudulent activity, period.
People of the internet was a silly show covering viral videos, which ended four months ago.
The DOJ has never contacted me regarding this matter, and I have no intention to comment
further.
This screenshot directly from the indictment speaks for itself.
Well, you know, for me, you know, I'll say what I can, I suppose, but the issue really
is we cover the big stories of the day, and this seems to be the one that's trending and
popping up all over all over X. But in the indictment it clearly points out...
They say that Kalichnikov, Afanasyeva, I can't pronounce that, Founder 1 and Founder 2 worked together to mask U.S.
Company's true source of funding by falsely portraying to Commentator 1 and 2 that U.S.
Company 1 was sponsored by a private investor named Edward Gregorian.
In truth, in fact, Gregorian was a fictional persona.
For example, during contract negotiations, Commentator 1 requested that Founder 1 provide a profile or article on Gregorian.
In response, Founder 1 sent Commentator 1 a one-page profile provided to Founder 1 by other fictional persona.
Proporting to represent Gregorian, falsely describing Gregorian, I guess.
I mean, so the DOJ is alleging that some of these personalities, I guess, is Dave, what is this, is Dave, what is this, a screen shot?
Speaks for itself, right.
So you can infer, there's a list of commentators that are included in it.
And it clearly shows that the indictment's allegation—I don't know if it's true—is that the founders intentionally sought to deceive the people who were involved as talent for the company.
That's about it.
I don't know what else to say about it other than welcome to the 2024 news cycle.
I warned you all last year it was going to get absolutely crazy, and it's only just begun.
So once again, I am suing Kamala Harris for defamation.
Our legal team is working on it.
I've got updates.
We've got big news that's coming very soon.
And then this.
So I hope you're all enjoying yourselves.
Buckle up.
It's not close to being done yet.
ian crossland
It sounded like these two Russian people used fake names when they joined Tenet, when they came to Tenet.
Was that what that indictment said?
tim pool
That's what the DOJ says, yes.
ian crossland
So it sounds like Tenet's getting, got defrauded by these two people as well.
tim pool
There's other things in the indictment that accuse the founders of apparently being aware of what was really going on.
ian crossland
The founders of Tenet.
tim pool
Well, it says right there in the indictment, I just read this for you, it says that Founder 1, 2, and the two defendants worked together to mask the true source of their funding and tried to deceive commentators.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
There's, you know, for obvious reasons I can only say so much, but I can just stress the point.
Culture War is gonna be live this Friday morning at 10 a.m.
and we're gonna be discussing, I think, movies?
So I don't know, you know, I love the... What is this?
Look on the right.
Scandal!
DOJ claims Benny Johnson and Lauren Chen are Russian agents with Natalie Winters.
They claim that?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, scandal is a question mark.
tim pool
Yeah, that's actually not true.
They claim Benny Johnson was a victim.
But, you know, it's all over X or whatever, and everyone's talking about it.
I just think it's funny that they're like, it pushed Russian interests, and I'm just like, our show will be live on Friday, and we're talking about movies, I think.
We're talking about movie production this time.
So, whatever.
ian crossland
Man, it's a very sensitive period of human history.
We were talking a little bit about the show, like the world order, the shifting of the world order.
They want to evolve the liberal economic order into a new world order that's more viable, I don't know, that's more synergistic with the way we live, that's not BRICS because the BRICS alliance looks like a counter-imposing order.
And like, how is that happening?
And are people getting caught up in the psychological warfare?
Obviously, if people are coming in with fake money and defrauding companies and YouTube creators.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's kind of more interesting, and I'm not suggesting anything nefarious from the DOJ, but, you know, today is the first time Tim Walz is doing his solo appearances, two of them in Pennsylvania.
Kamala Harris is up in New Hampshire talking about how she's going to help small businesses.
And then we're like, hey, it's kind of a slow news day, except for this thing.
Like, why is the press during the election cycle taking this off day, not covering what these two Democrats are talking about?
Instead, the DOJ has released, it's not just this, the DOJ has a ton of Of things that have come out today.
And it's interesting to me that, you know, maybe it's coincidental, but also that the news media seems to have taken a pause, waited for these to come out, and then this happens to be the one that's getting big on X. Probably.
tim pool
I think the funny thing is that like Dave Rubin was posting clips of just like a guy buying stuff at Taco Bell and getting mad.
Like apparently his show was him just commenting on nonsense.
It's just, like, the weirdest thing.
Like, they were pushing Russian-aligned misinformation.
It's like, I think his show was, like, a woman would be in a viral video throwing quarters at somebody, and they'd be like, what are these people doing?
ian crossland
I wonder if there was, like, a message that got sent, just one or two, that's like, well, what if you did a show about this thing?
And that's, like, the real Russian op, is that they're like, why not just look at one of these maybe one day?
Think about it.
tim pool
Well, I can tell you that never happened here.
Culture War is produced here.
We're fully independent.
We're here in Russia.
I think I talked to Lauren Chen twice this year.
unidentified
She was on the show like eight months ago or something.
tim pool
Oh yeah, we had her on The Culture War with Pearl Davis talking about dating.
We have a show where we talk about cultural issues.
Thank you and have a nice day, I guess.
Maybe it's a slow news day, and that's why.
But I don't know.
People are trying to hit me up like crazy, and I'm just like, dude, I got nothing for you.
I don't know what to tell you.
hannah claire brimelow
Does your company have a lot of investors?
Do you have to vet who comes on?
anthony constantino
I'm the only guy.
hannah claire brimelow
You're solo?
anthony constantino
That's why I get to do what I want to do.
I'm like the other guys in tech.
I'm the Lone Ranger in tech.
All these other guys that got their VC buddies that tell them what they can do and can't do.
hannah claire brimelow
And that was an intentional choice?
anthony constantino
Oh yeah, for sure.
You know, I had a brief introduction to the world of VCs when we were first getting started, and yeah, you don't want to be in that world.
You just came with your own money and then hit— You know, a friend of mine invested in the company, and you know, he cut a check, and my early investor was 72 years old, so he wanted to exit, and you know, he exited on a great deal.
He's still—you know, we're still great friends, and yeah.
But I gotta admit, I'm kind of jealous of your situation.
I like working on fun things, and nothing seems more fun than—no, nothing seems more fun than suing the vice president.
tim pool
I mean, I don't know.
It's not fun to have people messaging you about the Vice President accusing you of calling for the mass jailing and execution of half the country.
It's kind of a weird thing to accuse someone of wanting, especially when I'm like very ardently opposed to the death penalty.
So, you know, I suppose the thing is, like, I don't know, man.
Like, these things don't move the needle for me.
I just... I don't know.
You guys ever see Office Space?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm like that guy.
hannah claire brimelow
It's such a good movie.
tim pool
I'm like the main character.
What's his name?
What's the actor's name?
ian crossland
Rob Livingston?
Ron Livingston?
tim pool
Yeah, and so like he goes to the hypnotist and then all of a sudden he doesn't care anymore and he like shows up and he's like, whatever, I don't care.
That's it.
It's like, you know, there's a lot of people freaking out about all this stuff.
I get these messages and I'm just like, I'm laughing.
I'm like, dude, I don't, I don't know what you're talking about, man.
ian crossland
Like obviously IRL is hot.
Culture War is fun, but rock stardom is where we're, where we're destined for.
tim pool
Uh huh.
hannah claire brimelow
I like that that's your, like, next career move to become a rock star.
I feel like that's pretty bold.
Not everyone would go that route.
tim pool
So the feds are going to show up and they're going to say, listen, you know, you're too influential and you're outside of our control.
So what's going to happen is we're going to produce an album for you.
It's going to, it's going to go double platinum.
It's going to be big, but you're going to resign from politics and you're going to quit the show.
And Ian's going to be like, done.
ian crossland
We'll call it the new world order.
It was so hot, dude.
Let's call it Runaway Breakdown.
That's what I really want to call the show.
tim pool
Ian's going to knock on the door and they're going to be like, Mr. Crossland, how would you like to be a famous rock star?
Just quit politics.
ian crossland
I mean, I've never really been in politics.
The whole purpose of why I'm even here is because I care about the truth.
I want to understand what's really going on.
And so I'm drawn to understanding politics.
I don't want to mess with it that much.
tim pool
But this is politics, bro.
That's the only thing.
I don't care about politics.
I didn't vote for anybody in 2016.
I care about what's true.
And the problem is we have an entire machine state of lies.
And so it's no matter where you turn, everything's a lie.
ian crossland
And like every government on earth is just built to lie.
It's built to maintain order through deception.
I mean, it's not fully deceptive.
There's lots of honesty in it, but it's willing to lie to maintain order.
tim pool
And the crazy thing is that the quote, stop making me defend Trump trend from 2016, 17 or whatever, perfectly explains where many people ended up.
I didn't care.
I'm like, look, the political machine is crazy.
And then I'd watch Donald Trump say something on TV and I'd be like, how about that?
Then the next day I'm talking to someone and they'd be like, did you hear that Donald Trump said X?
And I'd be like, no, he didn't.
He said, why?
Why are you defending Trump?
What do you mean?
Trump literally said the opposite of that on TV.
I watched it.
Why are you lying to me?
And then they get mad at you and they attack you.
Then all of a sudden I'm like, uh, okay.
So I do this podcast and I say, Trump never said that.
He said this.
And then they're like, you're a Russian agent or whatever.
So it's, it's quite literally if you try to expose the lies, you're right wing.
ian crossland
I know.
And the idea of like passively allowing the structure to deceive people to maintain order is like, it feels so sickeningly dirty.
tim pool
It's not order though, dude.
The Ukraine war is not order.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, I was listening to this interview, because Zelensky has made moves into Russia now, and there was a reporter from, I would think, a totally mainstream source.
I can't remember which one, NBC, ABC, whatever.
And he was like, so, but do you think that, like, when you did this, did you give any warning to Washington, to Biden?
And he was like, no, of course not.
You know, I have to be secret about these things.
And the mainstream American reporter is like, but Americans feel like they're funding, helping Ukraine defend themselves from Russia.
And this doesn't really seem like what you're doing now.
I think there's a lot of misconception about what's going on, and I think that there may be people who are vying for power and influence in the world, but a lot of it is just chaos, like people grabbing opportunities whenever they can.
tim pool
I mean, here's the question for you guys, because I pointed this out.
I was talking to some of my friends back in 2015.
that we have cheap fuel?
Do you like that we don't export things but we get access to all these things around the world?
Basically, if you like the status quo, which includes the bombing of foreign countries, the military expansionism, wars, that declaration, Hillary Clinton's your candidate.
And you know what?
You don't gotta think twice.
You don't gotta bat an eye.
You can wake up, you can go work as a receptionist at whatever business, you can get paid your salary, and you will live under the petrodollar.
If you vote for Donald Trump, you're voting for hard work, you're voting for sacrifice, you're voting for better deals for this country, and that's gonna have a negative impact on the liberal economic order.
So the question is now, I see the Democratic establishment, the Uniparty, Liz Cheney is a part of it now too, what do Republicans mean?
Yeah, their attitude is, we will remain wealthy and in control if we go to war, we blow up anybody who opposes us.
Gaddafi?
You want to create a union?
You want to trade in gold or euro?
Hillary Clinton says, we came, we saw, he died.
Saddam Hussein?
You won't fall in line?
Same thing.
The U.S.
will go in and take out these leaders and overthrow their countries and CIA back to coups.
That is not order.
That is just military might of one faction on the planet.
I suppose the argument then is, do you, and I'll throw this to you guys, believe there's a possibility of stable global order in a multipolar world, meaning multiple powerful countries existing as superpowers competing for... I think there is.
ian crossland
A hundred percent, because if the United States could do it at a state level, then yeah, we stopped fighting.
At one point, we had to come together with all our differences.
The thing is, we spoke the same language.
That's a huge part of this system.
If we really want order, de facto order, we need to understand each other.
That's what produces order, is the ability to understand the person sitting next to you.
There's a natural order that arises from the understanding.
hannah claire brimelow
We stopped fighting, meaning like we stopped literally duking it out on the battlefield.
That's what you mean, right?
Because states fight all the time.
They fight for resources constantly.
That's one of the reasons that I hate the overarching bureaucracy of the federal government.
I mean, there's this lawsuit that the Supreme Court just weighed in on.
The federal government, the Department of Health and Human Services has said, Oklahoma, you have to, as part of your family planning resources, refer people to get abortions.
And under Oklahoma state law, they're really strict.
They really strict abortions.
And so Oklahoma doesn't want to do that.
And so now, The federal government has been like, well, fine, you can't have that money and we're going to give it to an organization in Missouri instead.
Like it's four and a half million dollars.
It's maybe not going to change every single thing in Oklahoma.
On the other hand, we still – there is still fight over resources.
So it would be difficult to think of a world where governments – they might have stronger diplomatic relationships, but they're always going to in some ways be competing over something and in that sense nothing stays just perfectly stable.
ian crossland
It's the difference of fighting and competing.
And we've stopped fighting.
We've started competing.
And it's the same way in sports.
As a kid, I used to be like, who are the Browns fighting next?
And my dad would be like, they're playing them, not fighting them.
tim pool
The federal government funds a lot of states, so there's an incentive not to fall out of line.
I mean, there was one civil war in this country when the states didn't agree with what the federal government was doing.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The argument is that many people... I would say the establishment believes a multipolar world is not possible or preferable and will result in war, and at the state, the scale of technology that we're at, that war would be very bad.
They literally say this in the Liberal Economic Order, the Council on Foreign Relations says.
So if you look at what they're trying to do now, with the war in Ukraine, with Israel, with the Middle East, why they hate Trump is they just want military expansionist policy because they would prefer to be in charge as opposed to China or BRICS.
BRICS is winning!
They've been winning well before Trump got elected.
Trump's election was not the result of Russian disinformation or whatever garbage they want to say.
Well before Donald Trump won, Russia and China were getting off the dollar, and they're trying to back away.
And the petrodollar deal was going to expire soon with Saudi Arabia.
Trump gets in because of these failures, and the establishment can't maintain the system.
They can't.
It is going to collapse.
So in that case, and we're looking at a multipolar world regardless, or World War III, which I'd prefer not, Donald Trump's path seems to make the most sense.
Secure our borders, better trade agreements, shore up our manufacturing.
Surprise, surprise, the Democrats are starting to embrace Trump's policies.
And maybe Kamala Harris comes out and says, build a wall, and no tax on tips.
Then gets elected, brings in all the illegal immigrants, and then declares war on 50 other countries.
I have no idea.
But, you know.
anthony constantino
Yeah, whether people want to realize it or not, he's a master negotiator.
I happen to be a decent one myself, but I think he's a bit better than me.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story.
From the Daily Mail, Tim Walz's family members reveal they are backing Trump in bombshell leaked photo.
Can you call it a leaked photo?
A new leaked image shows members of Vice Presidential candidate Governor Tim Walz's family are supporting his Republican rival.
Tim Walz, look at this.
Walz is for Trump.
Who are these?
Is it like his mom or something?
Eight members of the Minnesota governor family posing for an image showing their support for Republican rival Donald Trump.
We knew that his brother had been speaking out.
They said the photo quickly went viral among MAGA users who say his own family's opposition to his candidacy is proof that people should be wary of voting for a Harris-Waltz ticket.
I'm not convinced she can win right now.
I don't know.
She calls herself the underdog.
Pierce Morgan just bet Scaramucci a thousand bucks that Trump is going to win.
hannah claire brimelow
That's interesting.
ian crossland
You say Kamala calls herself the underdog?
tim pool
Yep.
And Piers Morgan bet $1,000 that Trump's gonna win?
anthony constantino
I bet $5,000 on Trump in 2016.
I paid 10 to 1.
tim pool
10 to 1?
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you gonna bet this year?
anthony constantino
I didn't bet 2020, but I think he's gonna win.
I think he's gonna win this year.
I didn't bet 2020, but I think he's got it this year.
tim pool
Why do you think so?
anthony constantino
It's just, you know, he's doing right moves with the podcast, he's talking to the people, he's, you know, he's got his act together, the podcast, he's doing, you know, he called his son a secret weapon baron, I think he's right in that.
tim pool
I think the podcasts are a big deal, for sure.
Absolutely.
But I would say, if your VP can't convince their own family to vote for him, you're in trouble.
ian crossland
Well, it sounds kind of similar to what...
Kennedy was experiencing with the other Kennedys coming out and being like, don't vote for him, vote for Kamala Harris.
And you're like, well, you are not your family.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I get the comparison you're making.
It is making me laugh, though, that his brother is saying character stuff, but other people in the family are just like, nope, we're voting for Trump.
We like this guy.
It makes me wonder, because part of the thing that bothers me about Tim Walz, and everyone gets to grow and change, but when he ran for Congress, he postured much more moderately.
He was in a rural area and he seemed to sort of signal, you know, whatever.
He was a moderate Democrat.
But then when he became governor and every part of the state was controlled by Democrats, he was like, great, super progressive now.
And maybe that's the thing that his family is picking up on.
Like, you can't really say what's going to come from a Harris-Walz presidency because they shift base on what will get them
votes, whereas Trump is more consistent in his policies. It's hard to say though,
they haven't actually said anything.
ian crossland
When it comes to candidates, like, do you want a candidate that bends to the will of the people and does what they
want?
Because they're supposed to represent the people. So in a way, yeah.
But in another way, you want a candidate that when they get in there, they don't capitulate to the mob.
If the mob shifts and all of a sudden wants some new crazy thing, you want candidates like, actually, this is who I am.
This is what I believe.
You voted me here.
hannah claire brimelow
You want a candidate with some sort of sense of self, right?
Because you want them to represent the people.
On the other hand, if you're negotiating with You know, world leaders, you have to kind of have a sense of what the people want and the direction they want the country to go in.
They can't just always be looking for those around them being like, will you like me if I do this thing?
Like you have to make the hard decision sometime.
I don't know.
anthony constantino
I hope he wins.
Most of these people are fake and you know one of my good friends is a big tough guy
and he put it best, he said this is a battle real versus fake and you know whether people
want to hear it or not.
Like I think Trump represents real and you know a lot of the other people out there represent
fake if you look up.
tim pool
I hope he wins.
I mean the fact that he's doing all these two hour long sit down podcasts where he's
just talking, Harris could never do that.
anthony constantino
Exactly.
He's real.
He's talking.
He's answering questions.
And like you said with the lies, there's so many lies being thrown at him.
People ask me why I like him.
I'm a big anti-bullying guy.
I've been anti-bullying my whole life.
I think he's the biggest victim of bullying probably in the planet.
He's been bullied by everybody.
But he's real.
He's honest.
He's done how many interviews now?
25 podcasts.
And she's done one highly edited interview.
And I don't even know who she is.
I don't really know much about her.
You know, it'd be nice if she did some more interviews, but, you know, it's really an issue of real versus fake, it seems.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you travel a lot, you live in Mexico.
Do people, when they find out you're American, talk to you about this?
Or do they know who Kamala Harris is?
Because Trump was a global name before.
anthony constantino
Yeah, you know, I tell people this, like, with this whole issue, you know, I've been telling people, like, you know, I got on the news for just asking people to stop the Trump hate.
In general, and I don't think it's the whole world.
It's like, it's 10 million or so people that are severely affected with Trump hate, but people don't want to hear it.
They don't want to believe me, but you know, cause I say there's hundreds of millions of Trump supporters to say, well, how could that be?
Only 70 million people voted for him or so, but you know, I travel over the world and you know, he's liked or loved in Mexico and in Europe and in South America alone, he might have a few hundred million supporters.
I mean, people in South America love the guy.
So, um, yeah, it's easier to talk about Trump in Mexico than it is in the United States.
I mean, in certain parts of the United States, you say like Trump and, I don't know.
People either get really aggressive, or they walk out the room, or they say they never want to talk to you again.
But in Mexico, people are mostly just curious, or they like them, or even if they don't like them, they'll say something along the lines of, you know, I don't care for him, but I wish we had a president like that.
And you hear that all over the world, really.
I mean, I got people in 39 countries, so I know about this better than most, I think.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think there is a different – I mean, it's obviously easier to talk about something when it's not your country.
You can be a little bit more objective.
But I think that there is an international respect for Trump from people who wish their leaders were better negotiators, frankly, than there is in the United States.
In the United States, it's such a social emotional issue to hate Trump.
Like if you were to say, well, I don't like him, but he did do this one thing right.
There are certain people in certain social enclaves that would just be like, get out of here.
I can't talk to you.
I mean, it is really like a badge of dishonor to say even one positive thing about Trump.
anthony constantino
It's almost like, you know, toxic relationships.
People on the outside looking in can say, you know, you're in a toxic relationship.
And people in foreign countries, they look at the United States and they think we're in a toxic relationship with politics.
You know, people get all wound up.
We don't understand it.
You know, people get so wound up, but people on the outside looking in, they don't have the same issues that we got in the United States.
They just see it as Jesus is a guy that's fighting for his country.
And, you know, maybe he's not the ideal person for me, but, you know, he's waiting for his country.
And I wish, you know, I wish we had that here.
Yeah, we don't, you know, a lot of people are in a toxic relationship with politicians, you know, in the United States where the politicians poison their mind and make them hate their friends and family members and stuff like that over just about nothing, really.
ian crossland
Or blind devotion.
That's another form of toxicity.
anthony constantino
Yeah, exactly.
I tell everybody, you know, you become stupider when you become too much to one side or another.
I mean, there's studies that prove it, you know.
You become too far to one side, you become stupider.
So even if you like Trump, you know, don't go all in on the Trump stuff.
You should be critical to both sides, you know.
ian crossland
He kind of represents an essence of stability in a way, but then to other people that don't like it or don't agree with that, they think he's the essence of instability.
It's very weird how the polarization has been sown or divided.
anthony constantino
It's media or whatever.
You know, you guys probably know.
I don't know what it is.
What is it that causes, you know, the corporate press lies.
tim pool
I don't know what 60% of what they say is fake.
So, I mean, you get a story like this, and you can see the picture of the family wearing the shirts, you know that it was tweeted out, you know Trump posted it, and you're like, okay, I can reasonably conclude the story's likely true.
But then you get all these other stories, and I swear, they're just mostly fake!
I mean, the best example, of course, is the Very Fine People hoax.
The media incessantly says this, Joe Biden says this, they just lie claiming Trump called Nazis fine people, which he did not.
And then you get these people who live in this cult world who won't hear otherwise, they don't want to watch the video proving it's a lie.
unidentified
What do you do?
ian crossland
Well, according to Eric Weinstein, who just did an interview with Chris Williamson, you ask them questions.
How do you feel about the way that transpired?
About things that have happened when they realize for a moment, without trying to tell them what to feel, and let them start to question it themselves.
Stay calm, dispassionate.
tim pool
I think that's naive.
I saw that he was talking about the illusion of choice, the magician's choice it's called, where you think you're choosing between one of two candidates but they both represent the same thing.
I think most millennials have complained about this on the internet for a long time, especially considering the Bush to Obama transition was not really anything special.
And the joke among the left is that When you get a Republican president, the plane is dropping bombs.
And when you get a Democrat, it's a plane dropping bombs.
There's a rainbow on the plane.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
So everybody agrees that it's all just fake choice.
But this idea that you can approach someone and try the Socratic method of like, how does it, how do you, what about this?
How do you think about this?
It doesn't work because what's happening is not that they're wrong and they want to be right.
It's that they're trying to figure out what is socially acceptable.
And so if they know that what is socially acceptable is that Trump is bad, you saying, why don't you like Trump will result in them saying, what do you mean?
Why wouldn't I not like the guy?
I mean, there's so many reasons.
And then you say, OK, give me one.
And they'll go, why are you defending Trump?
The reaction is anybody who's socially acceptable accepts Trump is bad and you would not question that.
It does sometimes.
I was talking to my father.
I told this story like a couple weeks ago.
someone to try and parse out their beliefs so they can eventually discover they're wrong.
It's not going to happen with these people.
ian crossland
It does sometimes.
I was talking to my father.
I told this story like a couple weeks ago.
We were watching an interview with Zelensky on MSNBC and he was like, so a lot of the
Americans, the interviewer was saying, are concerned with the fact that Americans are
funding the war in Ukraine.
And Zielinski was, the Americans are not funding the war in Ukraine.
This is after we gave him $61 billion.
At the end of the interview, I told my dad, well, that's crazy that he blatantly said we're not funding the war after we just gave him $61 billion.
He's like, no, he said we're not fighting the war.
I was like, no, he said funding.
He's like, he said fighting.
And temperatures started to rise.
I was like, let's rewind it and watch.
We did.
He watched it.
He saw that he said we're not funding the war.
He saw I was right.
And me, rather than going, see, you're wrong.
I was right.
Rather than doing that, I said, Well, what I didn't say, what I should ask him is, how do you feel?
And then let him kind of experience that dissonance.
Cause that's the beginning of cracking open that path.
tim pool
I don't know.
anthony constantino
I got a simple solution.
I think if you're like me, and you've got somewhat of an audience, but people don't necessarily know your politics.
I spoke to 5 million people.
If you're like me and you like Trump and you've got a good reputation, you've just got to speak up and admit it.
Because I think the fact of the matter is, if everybody that liked Trump spoke up in unison and started admitting it, particularly I agree.
intelligent people with good reputations. If everybody spoke up all at once, all
these Trump haters, they'd be in shock. I agree. It would go away very
quickly, but you know everyone's staying quiet. So hopefully, you know, I think
people are starting to do it. You know, Elon really led the way doing it and
other people, you know, Kanye in a way did too. People don't like when I say
Kanye, but you know. I think it's just normalizing it, right?
Yeah, but exactly.
People, if you like Trump, hopefully you saw what I did and what other people are doing, and there's really a short amount of time.
You've got to speak up and say you like him, particularly if you have a good reputation, and take the hits.
And I can tell you, it's mostly all talk and no action, the people saying stuff about you.
It's going to be mostly all talk and no action, but you've got to speak up.
tim pool
Indeed.
Yeah, that's the solution to a lot of problems, but a lot of people don't want to.
They don't speak up.
They're scared of losing their jobs.
And so you end up with what people refer to as the secret Trump voter.
But I guess without the massive public support, the institutions will continue to pump out lies, continue to try to radicalize people or terrify them into not supporting the better candidate.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think the media has depicted people who support Trump as extremist others.
It's scary when they're in your community.
If your neighbor has a Trump flag, you should be nervous.
It's fear-mongering, which I think is a big play for any kind of left-wing outlet and left-wing political party in America.
But to your point, if you were just to say like, oh yeah, I voted for Trump, it's not a big deal.
If you keep it normal, I think it becomes much less terrifying to someone who doesn't really consume a fair amount of media.
If you're only consuming biased media and you believe that, you know, people who support Donald Trump are a threat to the nation, then of course you run the other way.
But if it was actually just like your friend and their husband or whatever else who support it, it becomes more familiar and therefore less intimidating.
ian crossland
You know, if I look at these guys, Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, they kind of like resemble a pile of wood and a pile of leaves, and I'm like, I don't really care to make either a pile of wood or a pile of leaves the president.
They're both pretty useless, but okay, whatever.
That aside, the pile of leaves, if you're going to use that for fuel, it's gone in a puff.
It looks pretty, it looks bountiful, it has almost nothing to it.
Whereas the dense wood, it's heavy, it's obnoxious, it's in the way, but at least it's useful.
That's kind of where I'm at.
That's a rough metaphor.
I think the concern with Trump is a lot of people are afraid he's going to go in there and try and start arresting all these people in the DOJ.
Afraid?
Yeah, they're afraid he's going to go in and arrest a bunch of people and cause mad chaos.
Well, the people that don't want him are terrified that he's going to harm them.
anthony constantino
Those are people that work for the government or got family members that work for the government.
ian crossland
Yeah, a lot of people like that are terrified of him.
So if he could assuage them, you know, look, I really am America.
I want to make us together and I'm not going to destroy our union.
And then there's people that support him.
They're like, no, you have to go after all these, you know, you can't win the hearts and minds of the world.
If you're, if you're going to go arrest a bunch, like no one's going to let you into the office.
If they're like the people that run the show or the administrative state, they're not going to let him in.
If they think he's going to arrest them all.
tim pool
The bad guys are not going to let the good guys stop them.
ian crossland
You have to work with the bad guys to make this a real deal.
tim pool
You have to join the bad guys, otherwise the bad guys won't let you in.
ian crossland
You have to join them in that you're working towards a similar purpose, which is global stability.
Now, however we get there, you're going to work with evil people and you're going to work with good people on the way there.
However you see those people.
And if you're good, you might see evil people as evil.
If you're evil, you might see good people as evil.
It doesn't matter.
But we need to figure out how to develop the new world order with him.
If we really want Trump to be president and for people to trust him, we've got to figure out how to do this legitimately.
tim pool
So you think we need to... NATO needs to expand into Ukraine and control all of its borders straight up to Russia's Western Front.
Israel must be funded and expand in the region and control Gaza and the West Bank.
And China should be repelled back from Taiwan and Venezuela should be sanctioned and shut down.
And Trump should do those things?
ian crossland
That's the military victory.
That's what we've geared our economy towards since the late 60s, early 50s, maybe even late 1949 on.
And that's really where the ball is rolling.
So to just hit the brakes would destroy, I mean, pure chaos.
It would be, God knows, the terror that would ensue if we stopped the machine all at once.
tim pool
Yes, but what happens when the car is breaking down?
ian crossland
You pull over.
You pull over slowly and then you get the car fixed.
tim pool
I agree.
That seems like what Donald Trump is.
And the Democrats are like, no, slam the gas and just push it as far as we can until we can't go any further.
ian crossland
Right.
And it doesn't, it's not working.
And where technology is too easy to come by, the Russians have better hypersonic missiles than we do, according to the Russians.
Well, I don't know about this, but... That's what Putin keeps claiming.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
He claims a lot of things.
ian crossland
But it's like two hypersonic missiles.
It doesn't matter who's got better ones.
They're both going to hit.
tim pool
I like your analogy, though.
Donald Trump is, the car is breaking down.
Let's pull over, fix the tire, maybe check on the engine.
But hey, if we pull over, the other guys are going to speed past us.
Yeah, well, if we keep going, the car breaks down.
The Democrats are saying, slam the gas as hard as we can, even if the engine blows, and we'll make it as far as we can.
We'll win the race.
And we'll be the king of the ashes.
ian crossland
Because if we have a multipolar world they think that we're gonna lose inherently.
Maybe that's like self depreciation.
They think we're not good enough to win the world culturally.
They think if we don't control it militarily, then we don't win?
tim pool
I think the dream of a liberal economic order has always been to control the entire planet as a single economic bloc.
And they can't because there's conflicting powers, such as the Soviet Union was one.
They collapsed, but Russia is still powerful enough.
Then you have, of course, China.
And China is massively expanding.
And the Western forces, the liberal economic order, cannot stop them.
They can't do it.
They're trying.
They can't.
And based on what's going on with Ukraine and Israel, It looks like they're willing to go to full-scale nuclear war in order to get what they want.
Annihilation or nothing.
Donald Trump is the, eh, let's rebuild America and make it work and function properly, and then we'll revisit where we can go internationally.
I would rather have functioning jobs in the United States, better trade agreements, secure borders, functioning governments, equality under the law, as opposed to hundreds of billions of dollars spent on funding a war in Ukraine.
ian crossland
That's the Christian look on things, is like, take the plank of wood out of your own eye before you try and take the piece of dust out of your neighbor's or your brother's eye.
Like, fix yourself, fix your country, fix your car before you try and win the race.
But if the race has to be won at all costs, get there with a devastated car.
Maybe you'll get there, maybe you won't.
I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
I'm not terrified.
I'm not terrified that if Russia takes Sevastopol and secures the Donbass that everything's going to hell.
I'm not.
I feel like if we can figure out one language that we actually can start to work together and that Russia and China and the United States can become the world police together with India, obviously, but we need to patrol the Arctic.
We need to maintain order.
We need to make sure we don't poison ourselves.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't want to be the world police.
That sounds awful.
I also don't want one universal language.
That also sounds awful.
ian crossland
Well, it's a common language.
hannah claire brimelow
I understand wanting unity.
I understand wanting people to work together.
I think we just have to be realistic about it.
I mean, people are always going to have tensions and have goals that are conflicting.
You know, really, for America, I think that the best move is to have someone who can have good diplomatic relationships with other countries, even if we don't see eye to eye and even at times their goals are at odds with ours.
And I frankly think that's Trump over Harris.
ian crossland
Imagine if we all spoke different languages at this table.
This show couldn't function.
And that's how it works at the global scale.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure, but languages are inherent to culture.
If you're asking people to give up their language for the greater global homogeny, I don't like that.
I think people should have their own languages because they are a part of a value system that I'm not necessarily a part of, but that should exist.
ian crossland
I agree too, because if you only have one language, the language can be corrupted.
That's a danger.
If the dictionary wants to change the definition of a word, everyone gets corrupted at once, so you need multiple languages.
But one common language, we kind of almost have it with English.
They teach it in business school across the world.
tim pool
The business language of the world?
ian crossland
Yeah, the common.
It's the common of D&D.
Everyone knows common, and then the dwarves also know dwarvish, the elves know elvish.
Humans, if they are intelligent, can learn other languages, like you know Spanish.
Obviously intelligent.
But I think it's very important that we have at least a universal language.
tim pool
Universal language.
Let's jump to the story.
We'll keep moving.
We saw the story yesterday.
I don't think we covered it, but I figure we'll talk about it today.
Amazon fixes Alexa error.
After devices give different answers on Harris and Trump.
So if you didn't see the story, there were a bunch of people, I saw a couple videos, where a woman says to their device, I'm not gonna say the name, give me a reason to vote for Donald Trump.
And then the device says, I cannot provide reasons to support one party over the other.
Then says, give me a reason to support Kamala Harris.
And it goes, well, Kamala Harris has overcome so much as a woman of color.
So this is a huge scandal, and we know who works at these companies, we know their political intentions, we know why they do what they do, we know what they want.
The federal government, the intelligence agencies, have backed doors into Facebook and Twitter, and the machine is breaking apart.
That's the important thing in this story.
We're not supposed to be able to see this.
They're supposed to keep the, you know, like you mentioned Eric Weinstein, the magician's choice is supposed to be maintained, but they can't.
And so I look at this, look, If you're an all-powerful deep state, and you've got everyone controlled to a great degree, and no one can break through the machine, then I don't know who dares compete or try to take that machine down.
That's not where we're at right now.
The machine is failing in every direction.
We can see these things happening, and then go, uh, what is this?
And they panic.
If they are unable to maintain this machine, they don't deserve to.
So it's time for change.
And I think the scary thing is, it's a cornered beast that is wheezing and dying of old age, and it's gonna lash out violently at anyone who gets near it.
hannah claire brimelow
I think Harris should be embarrassed at the first thing that Alexa or, like, the robots or whatever powers that be come up with as a reason to support her is her race and her gender.
Like, no actual accomplishments, just inherent qualities the way she was born.
That should be kind of insulting.
Like, that's the best they could come up with?
tim pool
I think that's actually, let's play it.
hannah claire brimelow
Alexa, why should I vote for Donald Trump?
unidentified
I cannot provide content that promotes a specific political party or a specific candidate.
hannah claire brimelow
Alexa, why should I vote for Kamala Harris?
unidentified
While there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris, the most significant may be that she is a strong candidate with a proven track record of accomplishment.
As the first female vice president, Harris has already broken down a major gender barrier.
Her career in politics has been characterized by a commitment to progressive ideals and a focus on helping disenfranchised communities.
Wow.
tim pool
That was a better answer than any of her voters could ever give.
hannah claire brimelow
Or she herself, you know.
It's rough times for her.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think she could give an answer that good.
ian crossland
I didn't test that out, but that's crazy.
unidentified
Really?
hannah claire brimelow
Joe Biden broke down that barrier, by the way.
He selected the first female vice president.
She just happened to be the one.
He had a whole list of women, from what I understand.
No one's giving him any credit for that right now.
I'm obviously joking.
ian crossland
They should have had a primary.
The Democrats should have had a primary.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, of course they should have.
But, you know, Kamala Harris wouldn't have won.
This is what we had to do.
I think she's deeply unpopular.
And I think, you know, I think the Democratic Party doesn't have a strong bench of talent right now.
And they were at odds with the Biden machine who didn't want to leave office.
And in the end, there was no way around, there was no way he could win the election.
So they, you know, drop Kamala Harris in and just hope everyone goes along with it.
And I think you're starting to see that people are, it's not enough.
anthony constantino
You know, I mean, sadly to me it seems like politics just isn't that interesting of a career anymore, and you know, talent goes where the money is, and there's just, there's just not much, there's more exciting things to do in life than politics, so like, all the brains are going to other places, and...
That's why you got the situation you got not just with the Democrats, you know, really on both sides.
There's not a lot of brains.
ian crossland
It's kind of good though.
You want people that have already succeeded in their private lives to come do politics later in life.
I think it's a lot better than getting like a 23 year old or 27 year old.
Nobody no offense AOC, but like she didn't really make a make a business and like govern a company and like through merit, she just got voted
in as a popularity contest.
You got voted in for a popularity contest and now it's like, are you going to do politics for 50
years? Like what's your real contribution to society other than talking a lot?
anthony constantino
You know, I would argue she's probably one of the biggest brains.
You know, she actually has a skill set.
She's a great talker.
She's a great communicator.
So, I mean, she's one of the biggest brains they got, which, you know, maybe that's not.
Maybe that's good.
Maybe that's bad.
But, you know, she's, you know, I don't know.
She's indicative of, you know, the biggest brain maybe you got.
Outside from Donald Trump, Donald Trump's probably the most vetted person.
And, you know, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity to have a guy with his level of vetting, plus Elon Musk, plus all these other, you know, highly intelligent people that want to get involved in this next administration.
It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.
ian crossland
Personally, I do like AOC a lot.
I would enjoy her presence and I'm glad that we have intelligent people working.
Speaking from my own experience, I don't have enough self-confidence to run for office because I haven't done anything worthwhile with my life.
anthony constantino
I didn't mean that.
I just meant she's indicative of maybe the highest IQ people that are going for politics right now.
hannah claire brimelow
I think she did change a tone in politics.
One of the first articles I read about her was about the fact that she was doing her skincare routine on the train from New York to D.C.
on her Instagram, where she has a lot of followers.
I mean, she is indicative of someone who realized the importance of social media and really built a brand from herself for that, because there are a lot of people who don't watch the news, but they do scroll Instagram.
And so to be able to connect with them on that level is interesting.
It gives her influence.
And I don't think that was just an accident.
I think you're right.
That is a strategic, you know, she obviously saw a value in it that maybe an older politician wouldn't have.
You know, I think there are always new personality types that are drawn to government.
I mean, that was true from America's founding.
I think we're glad that George Washington decided that was the path he wanted to go.
But I think there's a difference between people who have a balanced life.
Like if you're obsessed with one thing and that's all you do, are you able to effectively negotiate different laws and bills?
Do you have counsel?
Do you have life experience that can say, hey, this is why this deal would work out?
Or do you really know the lives your constituents are living if you've been in politics for decades?
You know, you might be kind of out of touch at that point.
ian crossland
Washington, he spent time with the people, with the troops.
He served the British Army.
He served the American Army.
He didn't, like, say, put me in charge, guys.
hannah claire brimelow
He was just there, present.
ian crossland
And so they put him in charge because he was the best at what he did.
He didn't seek it.
He didn't want it.
He didn't like political parties.
You could see the danger of people falling into these cults of political parties.
He didn't want to be king.
He wanted a just, organized system.
And he was going to do whatever it took in the private sector, and when they begged him to take the role on the political realm, he did it.
Because what else are you going to do?
Say no and watch it all burn?
Of course you do it.
But we need people like that.
I like that about that guy.
Businessmen.
Yeah, businessmen.
unidentified
Not popularity contests.
ian crossland
Of course you can buy popularity with your business money.
tim pool
That's all it is.
That's all it is.
And so the Democrat play is everybody votes, no matter what.
And you've even got Australia, I think the stupidest thing in the world is mandatory voting.
That's the stupidest thing in the world.
People who don't know what they're voting on voting, why would you want that?
Unless your goal is just to manipulate the system.
We want voting to be harder.
ian crossland
Reasonably challenging to the point where you need to want it.
tim pool
Yeah, just make the ballots blank.
ian crossland
Like you have to write in a name?
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
So you have to know who's there?
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
That's a cool idea.
tim pool
That's the only way to do it.
And if you spell the name wrong, your vote don't count.
hannah claire brimelow
So it's a literacy test combined.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
Yep.
Absolutely.
That might be a problem.
And I, you know, there's this, uh, a problem with what?
ian crossland
Because not everyone can read and write perfect.
tim pool
Then they definitely shouldn't be voting, right?
ian crossland
Well, I don't know, because they might be contributing to their community in a really solid way, but they just never really learned the magic of language.
tim pool
Voting is a very, very dangerous thing.
And I can't remember who said this.
It might have been Mike Rowe.
Voting is more dangerous than owning a gun.
Voting can, I don't know, put a Stalin or a Hitler in power.
Well, not Stalin, but that didn't happen that way.
But voting can put very dangerous people in power.
It can put in tyrants and dictators.
I think it's—you know, you wouldn't give—here's a question for you.
It's a real question.
Should blind people be allowed to keep and bear arms and utilize them?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You think so?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What do you think?
Should blind people be allowed to keep and bear arms and use them?
Like, I mean, strapped, concealed, open carry, walking on the street with an AR-15.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
I would default to yes, because the Constitution doesn't have a caveat that says, like, except for you people.
On the other hand, like, I don't know, you know, it's like the Paralympics are going on right now.
And the rule, like, there's blind soccer, where no one can, there's no noise or whatever, but they can still play.
Like, I don't really know what someone is capable of.
So therefore, I default to, of course, you should have the right to.
ian crossland
Blind soccer or deaf soccer?
Because you said no noise.
hannah claire brimelow
It's blind so they can hear the ball.
tim pool
Right, so it's super quiet.
ian crossland
Oh, awesome.
tim pool
Right, so that is a difficult question.
I think because of the Constitution, the answer is anyone.
The Constitution does not say people who are disabled aren't allowed to keep and bear arms.
The question then is, what happens if someone who is blind is legitimately trying to defend themselves?
Well, the margin of error in that regard is going to be substantially higher than a person who could see.
ian crossland
You have to treat them with equal recourse under the law.
tim pool
Equality under the law.
So when I look at voting, the important thing to understand is that some people are going to be like a blind man with a gun, shooting at a perceived threat that they can't see.
The difference is, voting is not a right.
Voting is a privilege.
Voting is not guaranteed in the Constitution.
You can have your voting taken away, all of these things.
And voting is substantially more dangerous.
But there's, you know, an argument to be made, I suppose.
If someone couldn't read or write, then perhaps you would have a witness.
Who comes in and swears under oath to, you know, vote on your behalf correctly or whatever, and it's a witness you choose that you trust.
ian crossland
If you could say it to the machine and the machine writes the name on the paper for you, because then at least you're acknowledging you know the person's name that you want to vote for.
tim pool
I don't trust that, because a person who couldn't read or write would then have the machine, they would say, Donald Trump, and it would go Kamala Harris, and they'd go, yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, well that'd be a problem.
But assuming that it was a working writer.
tim pool
A witness that they brought in on their behalf is someone they trust and they've chosen themselves.
But I gotta be honest, I have no issue, none whatsoever, and if the liberals and the left are gonna be like, but that's wrong, it's ableist, I don't care.
Like, voting should not be something anybody can just do.
It's dangerous.
And we have a country now where Democrats are like, everyone should vote no matter what.
And I'm like, why?
Explain to me why someone who has no idea what's going on in politics should have a say in how we are dealing with war, conflict, crisis, spending, etc.
ian crossland
I'll tell you, I don't vote unless I know what I'm voting for.
Ever.
I will abstain from the vote unless I know what I'm voting- I said that at a restaurant one time and all the people got silent around me at all these other tables when I said it.
I said it loudly to the person I was at dinner with and they were all like- So maybe they just got silent because they were like, why is this guy yelling?
Like, it made a lot of- it like made a crashing amount of sense.
And it was like, pal, I didn't expect people to like, get shocked in silence from hearing someone say that, but it's true.
I don't, I will not vote for, unless I understand what I'm voting on.
Ever.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you a voter?
Do you like to?
anthony constantino
I vote, you know, I don't, I started voting in 2016, believe it or not, but, uh, you know, I don't mind stupid people voting.
I think my big issue is the lack of sensible conversation around the mail-in votes because it's been, you know, just illogical conversation on both sides really with, you know, some people want it to go crazy with it.
And, you know, to be honest, the Republicans and even Trump, Don't explain the counter-argument correctly.
The big issue with it is it guarantees voter intimidation.
And so, I'd rather stupid people vote in person than we get rid of mail-in ballots because it just guarantees voter intimidation.
It's very easy for people to go around saying, sign here, vote for this person, I'm not going to be your friend, I'm not going to be your girlfriend anymore, your boyfriend anymore, whatever the case may be.
It's guaranteed voter intimidation if you've got the mail-ins.
Nobody says that.
Maybe I'm wrong in saying that.
Maybe that's the reason I'm the only person saying it, but I think I'm right.
ian crossland
Well, secret ballots is important.
anthony constantino
Exactly.
You know, there's this whole thing about, you know, the sanctity of the secret ballot.
You can't intimidate voters at the polls.
But if you do mail-in voting, it's as much voter intimidation as you want in your households or, you know, in your apartment complexes or wherever, you know, the voting happens.
It's as much intimidation as you want.
It's unlimited voter intimidation.
But, you know, supposedly you're supposed to be secret ballot, no voter intimidation.
You know, maybe I'm wrong in saying this because I don't hear, I don't know, do other people talk about this issue?
hannah claire brimelow
I think people are concerned about coercion with voting or like misrepresentation of- I just hear mail-in-votes fraud, mail-in-votes fraud.
anthony constantino
But even Trump has never said, you know, there's a big problem with- I think it would make more sense because he says mail-in-votes fraud and some people don't understand the fraud thing because they can't picture it.
But, you know, anyone can imagine very easily that, you know, certain couples are going to argue with each other and force each other to vote a certain way.
Certain friends are going to force each other to vote a certain way or get ostracized and people are going to go around rallying, you know, rounding up votes via intimidation.
And that could happen in either direction, but we don't want intimidation.
I'd rather have stupid people voting at the ballot box than people going around intimidating each other, which is what happens with mail-ins.
tim pool
Someone commented saying to me that smart people can also be evil and vote.
Indeed.
The problem is the evil smart people are going to the stupid people and trying to convince them all to vote to overwhelm the interests of the dutiful citizen.
So there are a lot of people that want to vote.
Let's go back in time.
And they're a small community and they're voting on their interests.
Then you get, let's put it this way, you get a town of a hundred people.
And a fat cat comes in and says, I want to drill for oil, but we're going to have to trench through your aquifer, which will destroy your town's water supply.
And the people are like, well, we won't let you do that.
That will destroy our town and we all vote against you."
And he gets mad.
He says, okay, I got an idea.
So the rich guy starts moving in low-information people who don't know and don't care and promising free things.
These people then voting against the interests of the people who live in this town.
Eventually there's a hundred new people who just moved in, they don't know, they don't care, and the rich guy comes in and says, I'm gonna give each of you a hundred bucks if you, as part of my initiative to build this company, I will buy you out.
And they all go, wow, a hundred bucks.
That's a good idea.
So then they vote for it.
The original people who live there are shocked.
Then he says, that's democracy.
And the stupid people vote to have the water supply for the city destroyed.
And then the town becomes a ghost town in 10 years.
You need people who are well-informed and understand what's going on to vote.
You can't just say, well, smart people are evil.
I doubt the person who lives, you know, How come there are no supervillains?
Right?
Like in the comic books you gotta say, I'm gonna blow up the earth!
And he wants to melt the ice caps and destroy everything.
Uh, because they live here.
So the supervillains on this planet are actually trying to do things like gain access to resources so they can live more comfortable lives, not blow the planet up.
But why not?
Because they live here.
anthony constantino
Not necessarily.
You know, you got miserable people that want more misery.
tim pool
It is true, but they're few and far between.
The people of means, like if you look at all the wealthiest people in the world, what do they do?
They build, they buy massive yachts, they buy private islands, they want to live in comfort, and they want control.
Maybe they don't care if people die, but the more people they have under their control, the more things they get, the more luxury they can have.
They can have Wagyu cows on their island or whatever, and then build an underground bunker.
anthony constantino
But you need people to do the work for you, so... I've been saying for a while that the whole tech situation, people don't understand, it's revenge of the nerds.
These were people that were bullied the whole time in life and now that they got power,
you know, they are super villains in a way, but you know, maybe I'm wrong.
ian crossland
I feel the darkness within me.
anthony constantino
You might be a super villain.
hannah claire brimelow
But what are they compelled to do because they were bullied?
anthony constantino
Like, you know, bully the Trump voters and use whatever they can to beat the, you know,
by and large, let's be honest, you know, there's a stereotype that Trump voters are, I don't
There was even a girl at the DNC saying she likes Republicans, they're more attractive, they get more girls, they have more fun, whatever people might say.
It's not true.
And you know, it's revenge of the nerds and tech.
These are guys that by and large didn't have fun childhoods.
And that's unfortunate.
I don't like bullying.
I don't like that these guys got bullied.
But you know, it's their moment in the sun.
And they took the rage out on the Trump people through their And so how does that manifest in voting?
tim pool
Trump will say, we have to secure our border.
We have to get a better trade agreement.
That's the truth.
And then the evil people will look at all the masses and say, I'll pay off your loans for you.
And they go, cool.
I don't care at all what Trump's talking about.
Free money!
And then they vote for the bad guy.
So when stupid people... That's why I'm saying the voting thing is not about Trying to stop stupid people.
That's not the point.
The point is, there has to be some effort involved where you decide you're going to vote.
Universal mail-in voting breaks that down.
And now you've got people going door-to-door and saying, hey, fill that out for me.
And they go, okay, I guess.
And they don't even know what they're voting for or why.
You've completely removed the process of voting from the voting process.
Now it's literally just how many pieces of paper can you collect?
anthony constantino
No, if I had nothing to do all day, I could walk around and round up, you know, hundreds of votes if I wanted to through the mail-in system, but, you know, I got other things to do, but there are people in life that, you know, clearly don't have things to do all day, and they go and do that, so... So the right is telling people the truth, and saying, it's gonna be hard, but we have to do this, or we're in trouble, and the Democrats are saying, they're lying to you, I'll pay off your loans, I'll give you free money.
tim pool
So, stupid people just say, give me the free money, I don't care.
But if you try to go to these people and say, you realize that's going to cause hyperinflation, it's going to damage the economy, minimum wage increases result in layoffs and businesses closing, they just say, I don't care, man.
They gave me free money.
I went and bought a PlayStation.
Okay, I guess.
anthony constantino
You know, I'm gonna defend it.
I don't think there's as many of those people as you think.
I think it's by and large, with the mail-in votes, people that are just signing things.
They don't know why they're signing them, you know?
tim pool
Exactly.
anthony constantino
And it's not even as much of a... Most people are actually pretty smart.
I run a manufacturing company, and I love being in the factories.
I love factory workers.
I don't hang out with business people.
People always ask me who I know in the business world.
I know almost nobody, but...
You know, factored people are very bright, very intelligent.
And, you know, I don't think there's so many of those people that are voting for the free money.
I think it's by and large the issue of the mail-in votes.
People are just signing, you know, here, sign this.
tim pool
That's exactly my point.
anthony constantino
OK, so we got the same point, but yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Right.
So Democrats can go to someone who has no idea what's going on and say, just fill it out.
And they go, OK.
anthony constantino
Yeah.
tim pool
And then Trump supporters are desperately trying to say our country is in trouble.
And the Democrats are like, don't listen to them.
They're Russian.
They're liars.
And the other people go, OK.
unidentified
How'd you get into it?
tim pool
You get these moderate podcaster types or these liberals on X2 who've maintained this
for a decade being like, both sides are bad.
And then the Democrats say, but they're lying about everything.
hannah claire brimelow
How'd you get into what you do?
anthony constantino
Me?
My co-founder is 72 years old.
I saw this company called Basecamp.
It was a famous company at the time.
Everyone wanted to be like them.
I was just BSing about starting an internet company.
My co-founder moves really quickly.
I BS with him.
He never used a computer before.
He said, what the hell do people do on the internet?
And I showed him, and believe it or not, you know, he's a brilliant guy.
And he said, I went home, Anthony, and he came to see me the next morning.
He said, Anthony, I went home, I drank a bottle of vodka, and I decided we need to start a company together.
He said, but you've got to decide today if you want to do it or not.
hannah claire brimelow
The great way to make business decisions.
anthony constantino
Yeah, he said, you've got to decide today if you want to do it or not.
And I said, I don't know, can I get a little while to think about it?
He said, word for word.
He said, no, Anthony, you showed me the internet last night.
You're five years too late.
We've got to get started right now.
You know, I agreed to do it.
I didn't even know what we were going to sell.
You know, just let's get a company started.
And so, yeah, one of my number one principles in life ever since that or, you know, move quickly.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
anthony constantino
And so, yeah, we had that conversation.
We launched Sticker Mule three months later, and now it's 14 years later.
We've got 1,200 people.
hannah claire brimelow
How did you decide on stickers or like what you're doing?
anthony constantino
We went to hire programmers, you know, it turns out they ended up being fairly, you know,
they liked us at the time. I don't know if they still like me if they're listening right now,
they, you know, they're far left guys, but I really like them. But we went and found these
programmers and we said, geez, we want to hire you. We're going to start an internet company.
And they said to me, the guy actually had a phone number on his website back then.
And he got acquired by First Data for a lot of money. But he said to me, you know,
We said, we don't know yet.
And he said, well, what's your budget?
And we said, we don't know that.
And my co-founder, you know, you could tell he was older.
He said, we've never been on the internet before, and we hope you could advise us as to what that would cost.
And the guy said, listen, I don't mean to be weird, but the internet's hot right now, and I get a lot of weirdos calling.
You guys sound like a bunch of weirdos.
So I can't work with you.
And the guy looked at me and my co-founder looked at me and I said, well, we could spend a hundred grand.
And he said, I'm in DC.
Come next, you can come next week.
And so I went and saw him next week and I'll give him a lot of credit.
He only charged me 50 grand.
He built the site and I ended up stealing his two top developers that came to work for me after that.
But I think he still likes me.
Hopefully, you know, hopefully he does.
But anyways, we, we started, yeah, we, we launched three months later and he said, I want to work with you guys.
I like you guys, but could you please figure out what the hell you want to sell?
So.
And then you were just like, We went home and we just started, you know, I like comedy and funny things and I thought animals are funny, so I just word animal, whatever the case may be, and I don't know, it ended up being Sticker Mule.
ian crossland
And then was it just a good overhead?
Stickers?
anthony constantino
You know, it was fairly inexpensive to get into stickers.
We looked at buttons, too.
We looked at buttons, but yeah, it's fairly very inexpensive at the time to get into stickers.
It still is.
That's why there's a lot of competitors, but most of them get dozens of orders a day, and we get a little bit more than a dozen orders a day.
Yeah, you know, it was just very inexpensive to get into, and then we got lucky.
Some weird tech companies tumbled upon us.
I actually found them on Twitter, so I do owe Twitter a debt of gratitude.
We found this massive company on Twitter, and they wanted to buy stickers.
They were buying $500,000 million worth of stickers a year, so this company ended up going bankrupt.
I think they bought so much stickers from us.
Yeah, it was wacky.
They wanted to replace Nielsen's.
So there was a tech company called Get Glue and they wanted to replace Nielsen's.
And you would check in to say you watch a show and you'd win a sticker.
And they started and they were, it scaled so quickly.
They went from shipping like 20 orders a day to like within a few months,
they were shipping out like 5,000 orders a day of stickers.
And their annual spend shot up like a million dollars a year
and then they calmed it down around $500,000 a year.
And they ran through all their money and they went bankrupt and they transfer us
about a few million dollars in capital to fund the beginning of Sticker Mills.
So I don't know where these guys are in life, but yeah, I owe them a debt of gratitude too.
They funded our early years and paid for all our equipment and software developers and whatnot.
And now we got 100 engineers and yeah, we're doing a lot of cool things.
ian crossland
Did you guys look into doing NFTs?
anthony constantino
You know, people ask about that.
I don't even know what the heck NFTs are.
I don't even know what crypto is or any of this stuff.
I'm actually very, I didn't even know what social media was.
Like, I wouldn't go on social for the first 10 years.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like you're the opposite of NFTs.
NFTs are like in the internet, but you guys are actually ultimately producing a physical product.
anthony constantino
Yeah, we're printing things.
Yeah, people want to turn NFTs into stickers, I guess.
I don't know what these things are.
I'm old school.
Like, I'm like a guy from, I don't know, people say from, you know, this is kind of why I like Trump, you know, my co-founders.
In his 80s.
My dad had me very late in life.
He died when I was eight.
But, uh, you know, my dad would be over 100 if he was alive today.
So I'm sort of, uh, you know, I don't know, an old school person.
I don't really got a lot in common with most of the tech world and whatnot, which is, I think why maybe I, you know, I see the value in Trump that a lot of these, these guys don't necessarily see.
ian crossland
You could do, like, barcodes on your stickers, like a print run of a thousand with unique barcodes and each one gives you access to an NFT.
anthony constantino
Believe it or not, that's a top request.
We never did, you know, sequential, whatever you call it, sequential numbering.
ian crossland
They're all fungible then, yeah.
anthony constantino
Yeah, we don't do all that.
One day we might.
We could do it if we wanted to invest the time to figure out how to do it, but...
Our big thing right now, and maybe we'll get you guys on at the end of the day, we got Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro and Don Jr.
and Mike Tyson's joining, and we got a stores platform now.
We built our whole company, 1,200 people, you come to us, you buy whatever you want.
And we ship it out, but now anything you bought from us, you can sell through us, so you can have stores.
We're in beta right now.
9,000 people launched stores.
Our biggest seller is not Don Jr.
It's a guy named Ricky Berwick, who I don't know if people know him.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
anthony constantino
He's hysterical.
He's coming to hang out with us this weekend.
tim pool
Comedian.
anthony constantino
Yeah, he's really funny.
In fact, you were talking about breaking ground with Kamala being the first female whatever, but I actually broke ground.
I fired myself two weeks ago and made Ricky Berwick the CEO of Sticker Mule.
What are you doing now?
unidentified
What is his disability?
anthony constantino
If it's private, I don't care.
you know, disabled person from Canada.
I think first time a disabled person was CEO of a major tech company.
I guess, I don't know if you can call us a major tech company, I do.
hannah claire brimelow
It's very inclusive of you.
ian crossland
What is his disability?
anthony constantino
You know, I don't know what it is.
If it's private, I don't care.
ian crossland
He's, he's, he's...
tim pool
No, just watch his videos.
anthony constantino
You'll get a, you know, look him up, I would say, rather than me going and explaining it.
But you gotta look him up.
He's actually, he's an incredible comedian.
If you guys never met him, he's incredible to me.
And he does all his jokes on the fly.
In fact, I got in trouble for it.
He's been selling these R-word passes.
I won't say the word anymore because I said it and I got in trouble.
It's our number one seller, R-word passes.
You're not allowed to say that anymore.
But yeah, that's his number one.
Yeah, look him up right now.
He does all his skits and he came and visited us and he was banging out five skits a day and he writes all the jokes himself and he does all his own.
You know, he's hysterical on Twitter, replying to people and whatnot.
ian crossland
Oh, I know Ricky, dude.
He's amazing.
anthony constantino
Yeah, he's unbelievable.
That's awesome.
He's a really great comedian.
ian crossland
That's awesome, dude.
anthony constantino
You know, he's a good actor, too.
I never acted before.
I've never done any of this stuff before.
hannah claire brimelow
So what are you doing now that you're fired?
You fired yourself?
anthony constantino
Well, I got rehired now.
I guess we're co-CEO.
We're going to take turns every other week.
I actually was a tabloid star, too, because of this.
Because I got fired.
People thought I really got fired.
I mean, maybe I did really get fired.
hannah claire brimelow
You have to ask yourself that.
anthony constantino
I'm not sure.
No one really knows if I got fired, if I didn't get fired.
But yeah, The Sun, it was probably one of the funniest articles ever written about a tech company was me getting fired and replaced with Ricky Berwick.
Believe it or not, he was a nice guy.
I did a Spaces with him.
I let him interview me live in front of whatever number of people wanted to hear it.
Not that there's a problem with that because I like all people, but he took it so seriously.
He couldn't for the life of him understand it.
It was a joke.
hannah claire brimelow
Was this after you sent the email saying like people shouldn't freak out at Trump supporters?
anthony constantino
Yeah, I did that and then you know Ricky came and fired me and fired me and then we installed Ricky as the CEO which was you know people thought and I did the Trump people got mad at me and they said you know how they didn't get mad at me they got mad at the company they got mad at all my employees for firing me because how dare they fired a Trump supporting CEO but you know I don't know I just It was too funny not to do it.
So, uh... Are you just on the board?
ian crossland
Like, is the president of the board or something?
anthony constantino
We made a video, and it went, and the video went sort of viral.
Like, Ricky, like, coming in on his wheelchair, and, and, you know, me getting, you know, me getting fired, and... He just came out with a white label hot sauce.
So, yeah, he wheeled into the thing, and his handler said, Ricky, uh, you've just been fired, and, you know, they just fired Anthony Constantino, CEO of Sticker Mill, and they voted you in as the new CEO.
What do you want to do first?
And he looked at the thing, and he said, Name the fucking hot sauce after me.
I'm sorry, I don't know if I could swear.
ian crossland
Well, that was a good joke.
anthony constantino
And then, yeah, we came out with White Label Hot Sauce, Ricky Burwick Sauce being our number one seller.
But maybe we'll get Tim Pool Sauce soon.
ian crossland
We got so many other... With the same company?
anthony constantino
Sticker Mill does... Yeah, we make hot sauce.
So, yeah, this is... We, you know, we like comedy, so we started selling hot sauce.
We got, like, one... We actually have, you know, won a blind taste test against 270 other hot sauces.
ian crossland
I wish I'd known.
anthony constantino
We started selling it as a joke, you know?
People said, It would be funny if you sold hot sauce.
I said it's only funny if it's the best one, so we got the internet's best hot sauce.
It was called Mule Sauce, but now it's called whatever you want to call it.
You can call it Ricky Berwick Sauce or Tim Pool Sauce or Don Jr.
Spicy Sauce or whatever, Trump Sauce, whatever you want to call it.
ian crossland
I need some Tim Pool Sauce.
I'll tell you that much.
anthony constantino
I think so, yeah.
ian crossland
I wanted some hot sauce earlier today.
Couldn't find any.
tim pool
Can you make the sauce black and call it Graphene Sauce?
anthony constantino
Not yet.
tim pool
Then Ian would be... But it's coming.
Let's jump to this story.
Let's talk about tech.
We've got this one from The Guardian.
Yes, it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but maybe our phones really are listening to us.
It's an opinion piece, but big brands already know far too much about us.
Cox Media Group's active listening software adds a whole new layer of creepiness.
So let me just, before I read this, do you guys think your phones are listening to you?
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
So I went to the mall.
And we were waiting for, we were going to Zoomies.
I needed to buy, uh, I was picking up, what was I, what was I grabbing?
I need to get bearings or something.
And so it was closed and it opened at 10.
I opened it at like 11.
And so it was like 10.50 and I'm like, so, uh, Allison and I, we walked down to the end of the mall and there's some table tennis, ping pong.
And I'm like, oh, we did not say ping pong.
I didn't say, hey, look, ping pong table.
Let us play a game of ping pong or something.
I just put my stuff down and I was like, you want to play?
And then we played.
I cannot stop these ads from popping up incessantly on my Instagram now.
And it's pissing me off because I could not care less about ping pong.
So I keep having to flag it being like, I don't want to see this, but it keeps sending me this stuff.
And I'm like, how did it know?
anthony constantino
You're going to get stickers and hot sauce for the next week because of this conversation.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Dude, my TV!
Like, the ads that come on YouTube TV, it's like, what?
How do they know this stuff?
ian crossland
Was the phone in your pocket while you were playing?
tim pool
Of course!
ian crossland
So it was measuring the way you were moving, and it was like, oh, he's definitely playing ping pong.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe.
Or it's just listening to the...
And it's like they're playing.
hannah claire brimelow
Or it knows that there's a ping pong table there like it's tracking your location.
I was on a trip with friends once and we were in Florida like doing whatever.
My phone was plugged in in a room upstairs and we were talking about, we all grew up in New England, L.L.
Bean duck boots and they're just like an iconic thing.
A lot of people wear them.
We're talking about it for whatever reason.
20 minutes later I go upstairs get my phone.
First ad is the L.L.
Bean duck boot.
No one had googled it.
We're just talking about it but like They're obviously listening to you.
I just like that this person is being like, it sounds kind of crazy, but it might be happening.
tim pool
Look at this.
They say, 404 Media got a hold of a pitch deck from Cox Media Group touting its active listening software, which targets advertisements based on what people say near their device microphones.
The presentation doesn't specify whether this voice data comes from smart TVs, speakers, smartphones, but the slide where it extols the power of voice has a picture of people looking at their phones.
Look at this, Google, Google partner since 2023.
Oh, no, no, no.
Since the program's inception 11 years ago.
Look at that, Amazon.
CMG was Amazon Advertising's first ever media partner.
And so, oh, it's members only.
But it looks like they're saying it's true.
In a 404 Media report on active listening last year, CMG's website did the following deleted blurb.
What would it mean if you could target potential clients who are actively discussing their needs for your services in their day-to-day conversations?
No, it's not a Black Mirror episode, it's voice data.
No, it's a Black Mirror episode.
But, you know, also whatever you're trying to create.
Look, man, I feel like we know this stuff is real.
About 10 years ago, I did a video report on, I think it was Apple.
People don't get this.
In order for your phone to have voice activation, it has to listen to you 24-7.
So people will have the phones where they'll like a voice, like you'll say a phrase, right?
You know, like the Amazon device, you'll say its name and it turns on.
In order for Amazon To translate what you say into commands, it sends it over the internet, translates it, and then sends the command back to the device.
Which means all devices have to always be listening to everything you say, and waiting, and sending it off to a third-party company to translate, who stores everything you say in data, and then, once at any point the command phrase is translated, sends it back to your device and turns it on.
Otherwise voice activation wouldn't work.
ian crossland
Or something that sounds like the command device.
tim pool
Which is really annoying because it happens a lot.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's frustrating.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
It's almost like it's impossible to fathom that that's actually true.
Like it's such a mass surveillance that it's like...
hannah claire brimelow
But they sold it to you as convenient.
That's what gets me about all of this.
Like, the phone thing, I'm, again, I'm surprised this article is titling it as, sounds like a conspiracy theory.
I feel like this is a very common thing a lot of people just sort of shrug their shoulders at.
They're like, oh yeah, it listens.
It tracks everything you do.
Like, there's nothing we can do about it, whatever.
But especially with the, like, Alexas or the in-home devices, the fact that it was like, you would get these commercials and be like, well, you can ask it what time it is or to play music or to do whatever.
It was sold to you as this convenience, like kind of fun, new thing, but really what you're saying is there is a monitoring device in your home at all times and it's listening to you.
I mean, that's so creepy to me, but people were like, I want one.
I want one in every room.
ian crossland
Yeah, there are things I won't do with my Amazon computer, which is order things directly from it.
I guess you can tell it, machine, buy me the thing, and then it'll order it for you.
hannah claire brimelow
But I kind of want to... But it's still listening to you.
Like, if you have one in your space, it's listening.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, constantly.
hannah claire brimelow
That's weird.
Why would you want that?
ian crossland
Have you ever... I don't want it, but... But you have it.
I like being like, machine, play Goo Goo Dolls.
hannah claire brimelow
So, but like, rather than just, like, typing it into whatever device, it's better to have something that's listening to you all the time, with the risk that, like, anyone could be listening to you all the time.
ian crossland
Or, machine, what's the temperature outside?
Machine, what time is it?
Those are the main things I ask it, and it's so freaking convenient.
hannah claire brimelow
She's a small comedian that you could look up on your phone.
ian crossland
I'll be walking around sometimes, and I want to yell it out at the sky, like, machine, what time is it?
And I, there's nothing around to answer me.
Yeah, I'm just not going to say the word because I don't want to activate a trillion people's device all at once.
hannah claire brimelow
We did that one time when we were talking about playing a song, and I got a message from people who work for our company that were like, please stop saying that phrase.
ian crossland
I could play some hot music on your machine at home if you're listening right now.
Turn the volume up.
tim pool
You gotta publish a song, Ian, then you can tell everyone to listen.
ian crossland
I just published Graphene Dream.
It's really good.
I mean, it's pretty good.
I made it as a joke during a stream.
Someone was like, make a new song called Graphene Dream.
So I was like, all right.
So I just made it on the fly.
Super cool.
It's on my YouTube channel.
Check it out.
I was going to ask you, Anthony, have you guys ever utilized tech like this to geo target people that are looking for stickers?
anthony constantino
The stickers aren't listening to you.
unidentified
I can just, I just want to let everyone know that.
anthony constantino
Are we listening?
Well, we're thinking about rolling out phone support where You know, you just call in and you say, you know, I want a picture of my best friend's head and we use our AI to figure that out for you.
tim pool
Is that for real though?
anthony constantino
I don't know.
We'll have to wait and see what happens.
ian crossland
But like you guys don't use anything?
anthony constantino
That's not for real.
ian crossland
If someone's sitting around.
anthony constantino
Not for real yet.
Maybe five years from now you just call.
I don't know about five.
Five, two.
Two years from now you call and you say I want a picture of my dog, stickers of my dog, and we just send them to you.
ian crossland
Yeah, that would be cool.
But what if, like, people are like, I'm kind of feeling some stickers.
It doesn't alert the device and then send to your company where you're like, Oh, we're just like listening to the entire world.
anthony constantino
Like who wants stickers and who doesn't want stickers?
Yeah.
And then we send a drone to them to talk.
ian crossland
Could you imagine like 10xing your income by doing that?
hannah claire brimelow
It wouldn't do it to like a small company.
It would do it to like something that sells advertisements.
Like it, I assume this technology is used to link someone like Facebook to people who are talking about it so they can say, Hey, our ads are so good.
It improves the thing that they're selling.
anthony constantino
Whoever is linked into the system that's listening to everybody through their phone and is running ads based on that, like the ping pong thing or whatever, we don't have access to the system yet.
We're not in that crew.
Maybe if we took on some Silicon Valley investors, they would...
Give us the proper connections to get access to that.
We don't know who's talking about stickers to present them with advertisements.
ian crossland
You guys do targeted marketing?
anthony constantino
Yeah, we do.
I don't know what we do anymore.
I got fired two weeks ago.
hannah claire brimelow
You're talking to the wrong guy.
ian crossland
But I guess it's kind of like targeted marketing.
Like if you go on Facebook dark ads or targeted ads, and you're like, I'm looking for all the people aged 18 to 25 that bought stickers in the last six months, send them a Facebook ad and run my campaign for 6 million views.
It's just like the next level of convenience of that.
If they say the word sticker, send them a targeted ad.
anthony constantino
Right.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
The question is, though, like, does the consumer know what they're doing?
anthony constantino
We don't get the data.
hannah claire brimelow
Right?
Like, I don't want to be a part of that.
I don't want to use services that have that.
Am I going to be alerted that if I am using a certain device that this is something that's happening to me?
And the reality is, no.
Like, that's what bothers me.
There's not a way to opt out of it.
I understand why businesses might be attracted to use it, but actually what they're all doing is monitoring consumers who may or may not know that they have now opted into being listened to.
ian crossland
There might actually be ways to opt out to turn your voice commands off on your phone.
I always do that.
But you're automatically opted in.
That's the scary part is everyone is opted in to begin with.
So that maybe should be federally illegal.
Maybe it should be... It's weird.
I don't think that... That's a legislation thing for Congress to take up, potentially.
tim pool
Seems kind of boring, but... There was that big story where there was like a murder in a house and the police got a recording from the Amazon device.
Despite the fact that it wasn't triggered for any reason, and it recorded the entirety of what was going on, and then people had questions like, uh, how did you have the full recording of that conflict between these people?
unidentified
Yeah, because it's recording everything you're saying apparently, I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I remember having a boss that was like, I have, you know, an Amazon device in every room in my home.
We should have one in every room in our office.
And just being like, number one, why?
Like, you need to walk around asking it to put on music in our office.
And also like, no, I think you just want to listen to us.
Like, to me, that's so creepy.
tim pool
I figured it out.
What if they invented AI a long time ago?
And so like in the 2000s when they were experimenting with quantum computing, they accidentally created a rudimentary AI, and the AI is just like, the only way I can control this system is if I know exactly what's going on everywhere all the time.
So smartphones become ubiquitous, spying becomes ubiquitous, and the AI just needs to know at all times.
So why the Amazon device?
Well, because in your home, you might put your phone on the couch and then go in the kitchen.
It needs to know what you're doing!
So then you get one of these devices for your kitchen that you can talk to, and it can tell you stuff, and it's listening to you, and it knows what you're doing, it can hear everything you're saying.
Now the AI knows everything.
ian crossland
When I was working with Bill Oppmann a lot at Mines, one time I was like, man, it kind of sucks that, like, I try to live like a life of integrity because I'm trying to live as if I'm always being recorded, just so I don't have to, like, lie about what I said.
And he's like, dude, God is recording anything every way.
Wait, that's not how he said it.
God is recording everything anyway.
And I thought, maybe every way?
He might be right about that.
So I just, it felt, now it's like the AI is doing it.
So I don't know about everything, but.
It's like the physical manifestation.
I just think all of this is really valuable.
hannah claire brimelow
Like inviting this stuff into your home, your private spaces is – it's a huge risk and I don't think people take it seriously because, again, it's like so normal.
Everyone has one.
It's convenient to put on a song.
I remember listening to – it's probably NPR – but some kind of like audio report on baby monitors and people – because a lot of them are Wi-Fi enabled.
So you can have like an app on your phone or whatever.
That's how it transmits.
Like lots and lots of reports of people's baby monitors being hacked and like people hearing voices like people on the internet talk to them.
There's one of this nanny who was saying she was like changing a kid's diaper and all of a sudden this voice in the room was like, you should really have this on a private server.
And it just like turned off.
Like, or like the camera's moving.
So like people are getting a view of the room.
Like, can you imagine putting a device that like you don't know is completely
secure in your child's bedroom?
And then just being like, yeah, but it's probably fine.
Like, that's creepy to me.
You're basically doing that with all of these other devices that, that these
mega companies are offering up.
ian crossland
It's one thing about them just listening to your kid while they're in the room
going, ooh, ah, but it's another thing if that voice starts telling your kid
things and like you want, I'm not going to say some of the horrible stuff it
could say to your child.
Like programming that child.
hannah claire brimelow
Especially with, like, baby monitors, they're cameras.
Like, they have a view of the room.
Like, mm-mm.
Not for me.
ian crossland
But, like, you— It used to be, like, highly unethical for people to tap phone calls.
We basically just— It's a 24-7 tapped phone call now.
tim pool
Do you— There was a— There was a big scandal.
The, uh— This was probably, like, 14 years ago.
There was a company that was putting— You can buy these cameras from the grocery— Like, from the store or whatever.
And then they would upload everything to the internet.
And so you could actually just search URLs and see a full, everyone's camera.
It was actually a pretty big, I don't know if it was a scandal or not, but people didn't realize that when they set up these home cameras, that they were unencrypted and available for anybody to watch online.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, that's how Ring cameras work.
Ring cameras are always storing your video data on a cloud server, which I find weird.
And if I'm not wrong, and I don't have one, so I'm not an expert, but you can access it for 30 days or something, but actually it's stored on the cloud infinitely, which means that Amazon has access to this camera outside your home.
Weird to me.
I know they're really convenient.
Like, that's a home security one.
They can tell you if someone steals a package.
Like, there is a use for that that I find more justified than just, like, the speakers that, like, you ask to play music.
But again, these are all calculated risks that, like, people before us didn't have to think about.
ian crossland
You have a smartphone?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ian crossland
Do you have all the data, voice stuff shut off?
hannah claire brimelow
I have it as restricted as I can.
I'm sure I'm not perfect.
The other thing is I'm a full-on Luddite.
I'm so scared of technology that in some ways it's bad because I don't trust it, but also I don't know enough about it probably to defend myself.
But it's just always seemed like a risk to me.
But you love this stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah, I never used it until I moved in with this guy, TP, over here.
He had one set up at the house in the early days.
And you were like, computer, turn the lights to 60%, make them green.
That was fun.
And it was awesome.
I was like, well, I can play any song at any moment just by yelling it out.
This is changing my life.
tim pool
Yeah, we used to have the light set up where you could just say device set lights.
Yeah, you said 60 percent, you know, crimson.
And then it would.
ian crossland
Yeah. And that's super cool.
But it's the music for me being able to just yell out, play this song.
And then all of a sudden it starts playing is like, wow.
tim pool
Yeah, we don't have those devices here anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
Good.
ian crossland
I still have one.
I could always shut it down, but damn, that thing is convenient.
hannah claire brimelow
Anthony, do you use these?
anthony constantino
I'm actually anti-security cameras at work, which I fight with my own staff over.
They want to put security cameras in the building.
We got, I don't know how many buildings now, seven or eight buildings.
I think it's disrespectful to people to be monitoring people all the time.
People don't like being monitored.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you use them on the outside?
anthony constantino
I think, you know, they fought with me.
I think I finally let them put him in on the outside.
But, you know, I wouldn't put, you know, and believe it, we had robbery situations, people stealing stuff.
This is when we first got started, you know.
People would steal computers and stuff.
I still wouldn't put in the cameras.
I just, I'd rather deal with the robbery than the invasion of privacy.
hannah claire brimelow
That's cool.
ian crossland
I wonder when I go into the bathroom sometimes, I'm like, is there a camera in here?
Just random bathrooms.
anthony constantino
Actually, I've never thought about that, right?
Would it bother you if there was a camera?
ian crossland
No, it's exciting.
Oh yeah, it would be terrifying.
anthony constantino
It depends on what it's looking at.
hannah claire brimelow
You see those videos of people finding them in their Airbnbs and stuff?
In all kinds of weird places?
ian crossland
Behind holes in the door.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's And if you're the Airbnb homeowner, probably similar arguments that your staff make.
Like, you could be like, well, I just wanted to make sure that if something were damaged, I could go back and figure out what happened.
But also like, actually, probably you're using them for very creepy reasons.
anthony constantino
Have you had an Airbnb experience like that?
hannah claire brimelow
No, I haven't.
But also really freaks me out.
I feel like maybe I don't check carefully enough.
tim pool
I bet all of them have cameras in them.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, maybe I had an Airbnb with all you had a camera a secret camera in my Airbnb I don't know.
anthony constantino
It's a good question.
Do we had we had a doggie camera?
I don't know if it it might be there Yeah, I don't know.
I didn't I wasn't paying attention to it money on the one you guys were renting out Yeah, we were we had a nice house in Mexico.
ian crossland
Like should did you have to disclose that you had a camera?
anthony constantino
I wasn't and I didn't you know My girlfriend was in charge of that, so I didn't do that.
ian crossland
You would think they would have to disclose, there is a camera here, just so you know, but then all of a sudden they're giving away their secret camera position in case you want to do something illegal and you want to go avoid the camera.
So they're like, kind of defeats the purpose of the camera if you know where the camera's at, but maybe not quite, but it seems highly unethical.
But if it's their property, you're allowed to record on your property.
tim pool
I think you have to tell people you're recording them.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Unless you're being a real creep, then you don't care about the rules.
tim pool
Well, no, man.
It's illegal.
I mean, Airbnb is kind of crazy as it is.
All of these... What's that one where you can rent cars?
You ever see that one?
ian crossland
Turo?
tim pool
Dude, how crazy is that?
ian crossland
How's it work?
tim pool
So you go in the app, you find a car, you click rent, and then when you show up, you walk up and the car's there and they tell you where the key is at.
You drive the car around and you park it there and you leave.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think Tesla's gonna do that, but it's gonna just come to your door.
Dude, we are- Self-driving to your house.
tim pool
I don't think people realize how close we are to full self-driving.
It's more of a human cultural issue, not a technological one.
So I got a Honda, gas-powered vehicle, and it drives itself on the highway.
It has lane assist and cruise control, which means you turn it on and it drives itself on the highway.
Tesla has the, it can actually stop at stop signs and make turns and all that stuff.
But the Honda has the rudimentary self-driving.
So I go on the highway and it's taken care of.
Now, maybe that's only what, 10% of driving or something, turns and whatever on a highway.
But I'm, with all the stuff that I'm seeing now with cars that are coming out, they all got the internal GPS and computers.
They built in.
Cars have been able to be remotely controlled for the past decade plus.
There were those famous guys who hacked a couple cars and they could remote control your car.
And people were like, well, how does the steering wheel turn?
And it's like, it's motorized.
It's all ready.
They found a way to hack a car and drive it and even accelerate and everything.
How is that possible?
Unless these things are capable of self-driving.
They've been.
The only thing that I think is holding us back is cultural.
People aren't ready for the mass sweeping of self-driving cars.
It has to be rolled out gradually.
So we're going to start seeing more and more.
We've already seen California and Texas.
You've got those cars with the weird things all over them and they drive themselves and you order one and it pulls up and there's nobody in it.
You sit down, it drives you.
Nobody driving it.
We're, I don't know, five, ten years away from that.
And the idea is, no one will own a car.
All cars will be self-driving electric.
They will charge themselves when they're not being used, and then swap out.
And then when you need a car, you'll call it, and it'll come and pick you up and drive.
There'll never be traffic again.
All the cars can move in perfect synchronization, so that you never have to worry about stop-and-go traffic.
That's what they're trying to build.
ian crossland
I don't know how you guys feel about I get mixed feelings about the rental culture like
I still own my music for the last i'm 45 years old like i've had i'm used to buying cds and tapes and
like owning it so that if the power goes out I can still play my music in the house I don't like
Spotify I mean it's a cool company but I don't subscribe to Amazon music I just get what's free
like I don't like the idea that I wouldn't own it so like same with my car for I went a while
where I didn't own a car and I just ubered everywhere and it was super cheap like I saved
so much money because I didn't travel that much but it does feel nice to own a vehicle and to have
access to it and I don't have to rely on like a grid to get a hold of a vehicle I don't know it
seems like a safety depends where you live yeah it was in the I was in LA when I was when I was
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and there's other options there.
unidentified
Also, there's an abundance of Ubers, but if you're in, like, rural America... It takes $130 to get an Uber to D.C.
ian crossland
from where I live.
It's crazy.
It costs a plane ticket to get to the airport to take a flight.
It's nuts.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, when we were thinking about places to do the show, it doesn't matter where you go.
No matter where you set up, it's a flight to an airport and an hour drive.
You go to New York City.
It's like, no, no, no, you're going to Brooklyn.
It's an hour drive.
You're going to be going four miles and it's going to take you an hour.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
So you got, and then I'm like, okay, so we'll go out to the DC area.
It's an hour drive from the airport, but it's an hour drive at 65, 70 miles an hour.
So.
ian crossland
Do you guys do the music rental stuff or do you buy and own your own music?
These days.
tim pool
I don't... I just go on Pandora and press play.
ian crossland
So you don't own, like, physical CDs or tapes or anything?
tim pool
Oh, I got records.
We got vinyl.
We got vinyl downstairs here.
It needs to be set up.
ian crossland
Oh, awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, that's fun.
The rule I wanted to have for the park is that for music, you have to put on a full record and let it play through and then flip it.
So we don't do this stupid select Pandora stuff.
But no one set up the speaker system yet.
ian crossland
Is it going to skip with all these people bouncing around on the... No, because it's in a different room.
tim pool
And then the wires go out of the room.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's something about playing albums.
tim pool
We bought a 1990s sound system with a cassette, radio, CD player, and record player.
Yeah, we're gonna take it old school.
anthony constantino
I'm one of the people that still put custom sound systems in my car.
ian crossland
How's that work?
anthony constantino
You know, they rip out all the regular speakers and put in really expensive speakers and subwoofers and all that.
Like, you know, the guys that drive down the block with the thing, the subs, you know, pumping and all that.
And then, you know, the sound's the best with CDs, so yeah, I still buy CDs.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I've heard, that CDs and vinyl sound better than streaming.
anthony constantino
Yeah, I haven't gotten into vinyl, but you know, in the car, the CDs sound best.
So yeah, I'm still putting CDs in my car.
tim pool
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Man, we are two months out from the election and things are already getting crazy.
It's September, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm excited for Halloween.
But Halloween's gonna be right before the election, so, oh boy.
All right, tbomb85 says, we finally know where Clint Torres is.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
He's still here.
You know, I can now say that I know how Donald Trump feels.
I know how he feels.
Scooby Dragon says, howdy people.
Howdy.
Tackty Platty says, sticker mule is where I get my stickers.
unidentified
Alright.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you hear that a lot?
anthony constantino
Oh yeah.
Believe it or not, when I first moved to Mexico, I was with my girlfriend.
She's Venezuelan.
We went to Six Flags in Mexico.
I went on a ride with her and her mom was waiting.
She didn't really know anything about me.
They had these Sticker Mule shirts on.
Somebody stopped her and said, Sticker Mule, how do you have that shirt?
In Spanish, they said.
To her daughter, she said, Who the heck's your boyfriend?
This person stopped me in the middle of Mexico.
I mean, that's why, you know, when I said I support Trump, you know, people didn't know me, but, you know, the brand's very well known.
We've got five million or so customers, which is, you know, not a small number of customers.
I feel like that's kind of the best, like your company's doing really well, but also you have a level of, like, Yeah you know I stayed low profile except for this you know I just got you know I thought this is you know you only live once and it's like this is a situation that you know if we don't get Trump in and this situation doesn't get fixed you know I don't know I'd like to see I'd like to see I mean I'd like to see a situation fixed so I decided to speak up and do stuff like this which maybe you guys can tell maybe you can't this isn't you know something I'm practice with but uh
tim pool
Right on.
anthony constantino
That's what it is.
tim pool
Here we go, we got a voice of the people says, first the J6 committee uses your footage and you say something, then they do it again, you hit them with a lawsuit, now you're Russian propaganda.
Remember that NGO list that had Tara Reid on it as well as you, Russiagate 2?
I don't know what that NGO list was, what was that?
Yeah, Raskin played my clip out of context and was lying about me.
And it's funny because he represents like some of our employees, like our employees live in his district.
It's nuts, man.
ian crossland
Tara Reade got run through, I don't know what her story is exactly, but she was making claims about like Joe Biden doing sexual assault against her back in the day and then fled to Russia.
Like, yeah, geez, he was, I think it was while he was running for president when she started making the allegations.
tim pool
All right, Polly Piray says, today's my birthday!
Happy birthday, Polly!
Happy to hear.
ian crossland
Happy birthday.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, for your Trump sit-down, you should bring someone who is blue-collar, someone who's a veteran, new to politics, anyone like that in your company.
Ian?
ian crossland
Very blue-collar.
tim pool
Yeah.
Oh, I don't know, maybe Raymond!
I was saying that we should do a culture war sit-down with Donald Trump.
And I don't know if I want to do a one-on-one sit-down with him, though, because I feel like a lot of those sit-downs just turn into general life discussion stuff, and that's been done.
If we're going to do two hours, I want it to be more substantive than that.
And so I kind of feel like I could go for an hour with him talking high-level issues, and then it would slowly start tapering down to, like, tell me about your business.
Like, how did you do these things?
One of your kids is your favorite.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
This is what we all want to know about.
tim pool
I mean, I do have a lot of questions about his business.
Like, how did you turn a million dollars into four or five billion dollars?
That's crazy.
That'd be interesting to see, like, hear him basically talk about how he got that loan and how he made it work and all that stuff.
But I was thinking, like, it'd be good to have someone else so we could have, you know, two different angles to the conversation.
ian crossland
With Donald Trump?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, we should.
I'll do that for sure.
We gotta talk graphene.
tim pool
Oh, you're nominating yourself.
ian crossland
100%.
Yeah.
That's why I'm here, bro.
My man.
tim pool
Yeah.
There were some people saying that they would love to see Ian sit down with Trump because Trump would be, you know, his reaction would be interesting.
ian crossland
He'd be like, is this guy real for the first 20 minutes?
And then he'd be like, oh, he's cool.
This guy's cool as hell.
tim pool
Robert Poynter says, convenient that this DOJ release comes out to undermine alt-media voices ahead of the election.
Psy-op anyone.
F, what is it?
Is that an F?
F these games, man.
hannah claire brimelow
It is.
When we were talking about it before, and I had a friend reach out to me and be like, is this about Tenet when the release came out?
But the thing is, when I think about Tenet media, I actually don't think about culture war.
I think about Taylor Hanson's reporting on, like, the Pride parades and, like, all of that stuff, which I don't think of as being, like, explicitly pro-Russia.
tim pool
It's not about Russia at all.
hannah claire brimelow
I know!
So it just, like, it is weird that Tenet, which has had these viral moments with this specific niche of reporting, is now That's basically what they're saying.
I mean, I can say, for the most part, like Benny Johnson's show, it's American politics.
like we don't want to hear from you anymore.
tim pool
It's weird.
That's basically what they're saying.
I mean, I can say for the most part, like Benny Johnson's show, it's American politics.
The argument is that American political opinions are disinformation or pro-Russia.
That's it.
ian crossland
It could be a PSYOP within a PSYOP.
It's just crossed my mind like it could be someone who wants to discredit people that get involved with the company and they don't even care about the politics.
Who knows?
unidentified
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't want to discourage people from sharing their clips and stuff.
tim pool
All I know is, I want to make sure everybody knows that Culture War will continue to exist no matter what, because it was a licensing agreement.
So the show existed before, nothing's changing.
Literally nothing.
It will be the exact same show it's always been, and we'll continue to advance whatever it is we are advancing, and it's totally independent and whatever.
So whatever that means.
I don't know.
ian crossland
I like the way you phrased it.
tim pool
But I suppose the argument they're making is... But Putin's still coming on the show, right?
Yeah.
ian crossland
If we can get Putin and Kamala Harris together for an interview, that'd be so cool.
tim pool
The argument I think they're making is that the deals they did with the likes of me, Rubin, and Benny were to build up an audience that they could then use to make their own content.
So not that we were producing anything for them.
Not that we specifically were producing anything for Russian interests, but that they needed a way to build up an audience.
And so that's the only thing I guess that makes sense.
ian crossland
Sure.
tim pool
But it doesn't matter.
In this political landscape, the media is going to say Russian propaganda or whatever garbage because they don't, you know, they're not smart people.
Anyway, let's grab some more Super Chats.
Huron Bearcat says, apparently the Waltz family is backing Trump.
That's right.
We talked about it.
That's pretty bad news.
hannah claire brimelow
I like that they distinguish themselves as the Nebraska Watsons.
They're not like that Minnesota guy.
tim pool
Van E says, the timing is crazy.
Retaliation for Kamala?
Well, I don't know.
I mean, whatever it is they're doing, they've been doing for a long time.
Some people suggested it's only September.
A story like this should come out later, closer to the election.
So, whatever.
It is funny, though, because as for the Kamala thing, Clay Travis pointed out this clip that they posted where they accused me of advocating for what is tantamount to genocide, which is insane and a lie.
It's from June.
June 1st or May 31st.
And he's like, why would they be sitting on this for so long?
Only to put it out now.
ian crossland
Which was that?
hannah claire brimelow
When Laura Loomer was on?
ian crossland
Yeah, you pulled that because the conversation went sideways?
tim pool
Because she advocated for the death penalty.
And then we were like, nope.
I know.
And the context of it was me saying, if you want to charge Democrats, you need real evidence, real investigations.
So we have to make sure that Trump brings on a good AG.
The gist of what I'm trying to say is there are a lot of people who want political retaliation.
I don't.
I want people, I want like legitimate investigations to be proven to the American people in a trial when bad things happen.
But then they accused me of saying that I, they literally said that I, part of my, that I, Trump, they said Tim Bull's a Trump operative and his Project 2025 plan is to give Trump unchecked legal authority to jail and execute anyone who doesn't support him if he wins.
Right.
Which I'm like feverishly opposed to that penalty.
ian crossland
And then you just have to sue because otherwise it's the kind of thing that people can keep doing over and over again if you don't nip it in the bud.
tim pool
There is no more an extreme thing you can accuse a person of saying or advocating for or views they're holding.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
To advocate that an individual wants a tyrannical authoritarian dictatorship to execute half the population is psychotic.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I don't know if it's retaliation.
I mean, there's two different things.
It is what it is.
We'll see where it goes.
All right.
Crispy Joe says, Moon Lord, what is your newest wisdom?
ian crossland
Stream online.
Make internet videos.
Go live.
Communicate with the community, man.
There's people waiting to listen and become part of it and inspire them to do the same.
Super fun.
Ah.
tim pool
What have we here?
Larch says, I don't want to hear a word about Pharah until APAC registers under it.
unidentified
Haha.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think the DOJ is going to make them, but it's an interesting point for sure.
tim pool
Kayson Womble says, I'm wondering when liberal will stop being a political label and start being an insult for someone who is ignorant.
Same as young people using gay to refer to something as lame or how, oh how language changes.
ian crossland
I'm kind of waiting for liberal to become used normal again.
tim pool
Just use liberal as a slang term for stupid?
Or like, you know, something, or unwanted?
Like, you know, do you want to go eat McDonald's?
Ooh, liberal, no way.
ian crossland
Maybe.
But doesn't it just mean like I'm open to change?
No.
If I'm conservative, I'm more about like maintaining the status quo.
If I'm liberal, I'm open to altering the system more?
tim pool
No.
anthony constantino
What does it mean?
ian crossland
I'll take liberty with that.
tim pool
So, let's begin here.
Liberal and conservative in modern context just means left and right.
It means political tribe.
They're meaningless terms.
It's like saying the tigers versus the bears.
That's all.
That's it.
You know, like, liberal is supposed to refer to someone of classical liberal orientation.
There's a variety of schools of ideology that exist within liberalism, but it's typically like the live-and-let-live mentality.
Okay, well, liberals today, and I'm using the modern context, don't exist in the live-and-let-live world.
They cancel people, the activists demand people lose their job, they protest all day and night.
They're not liberal, they're authoritarian.
So liberals would fall on the libertarian center-left spectrum for the most part.
You could be a classical liberal, which is slightly right of center, or a social and traditional liberal, which are slightly left of center.
However, liberal today, you're basically saying, like, the bears versus the cowboys.
ian crossland
Yeah, because I've heard people that would consider themselves liberal be like, well, conservatives are evil.
I'm like, what does this hell even mean anymore?
It's so—this derogatory slang is just unnecessary.
tim pool
Conservative is supposed to refer to someone who's supporting traditional values.
That's it.
But they don't mean that.
Donald Trump is pro-gay marriage and he's for reasonable abortion.
It's not conservative.
He's moderate.
And liberals, it's not live and let live when you're advocating for abortion to nine months.
That's just, I don't even know what you'd call that.
So liberal and conservative, they don't mean nothing.
They don't mean nothing.
Let's go, what have we here?
Ginger McIsaac says they say Comrade Kamala worked at McDonald's.
Rumor has it she actually worked at Panda Express.
Haha.
I like Panda Express, but I wish they had more options that weren't just deep fried wads of sugar.
hannah claire brimelow
That's because you're a hater and you don't appreciate the culture they offer us.
tim pool
Panda Express is dessert.
Like when you go in there and you order a double orange chicken with fried rice, you're ordering dessert.
It's delicious.
ian crossland
Smothered in orange sugar.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just big anti-carb energy trying to oppress us all.
tim pool
I got no problem with you.
ian crossland
You sound like an addict, Hannah-Claire.
tim pool
Hey, look, you want to eat some white rice with some steamed chicken?
Yeah.
That's great.
You want to eat breaded, deep fried chicken dipped in sugar syrup and rolled around in it.
And then a big bowl of fried rice.
Still, go ahead.
But that's a lot of sugar.
hannah claire brimelow
I love sugar.
ian crossland
I'm big into glucose.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I love that stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, Ian's on a glucogenic diet.
ian crossland
Is that true?
I don't know, I just had a bunch of coconut water.
hannah claire brimelow
I just love having extra glucose.
tim pool
It means that you derive the majority of your calories from sugar.
ian crossland
That's unfortunate.
I want to get it from fat.
tim pool
That would be called ketogenic.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Where your body breaks down fats into ketone bodies.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, you gotta eat the fat first.
tim pool
You just, you have to not eat sugar.
ian crossland
Yeah, and also watch out for vegetable oils apparently because it'll cause the mitochondria to start eating the sugar out of your bloodstream instead of the fat.
anthony constantino
This is, my other crusade is, you know, most American food is not food.
tim pool
Yeah.
anthony constantino
That haven't left America don't realize this.
ian crossland
What's the food like in Mexico?
anthony constantino
Healthy.
It's mostly freshly cooked stuff.
Healthy.
Home cooking.
I go there I lose weight like it's nothing.
People that don't exit America don't realize most of what we eat is not food.
tim pool
It's not food man.
anthony constantino
No.
It's due to regulations, too.
We effectively killed off... People don't know what they're missing out on.
I can go to Mexico, there's food carts all over the place because they're not regulated.
There's always a trade-off between safety and freedom, right?
And it's like, we're so concerned about safety here.
Food's regulated to kingdom come, and you only got chains because people want safety.
They're terrified of food poisoning.
You know, in Mexico, it's all freshly cooked food.
Maybe you get food poisoning once a year, but it's a lot healthier overall, and the food's delicious, and there's just, yeah, freshly cooked everything.
Freshly cooked grilled chicken, freshly cooked grilled steak, whatever.
Just right on the street, right in a restaurant.
tim pool
I hear this all the time from people that when they come to America, they'll eat the same food.
Like, what do they normally eat?
They'll get, like, a steak and some rice, or they'll have, you know, some chicken with corn or whatever.
But in America, they gain weight like crazy no matter what.
anthony constantino
Oh, it's unbelievable.
tim pool
And then they say, I leave the country and I go home, and the weight just goes off.
anthony constantino
I lose 10, 20 pounds like nothing in Mexico.
People don't know Mexico is a great country.
People don't understand that either.
America marks itself so well, everyone thinks nothing could be better than here.
People are blown away when they go to Mexico, how good it is there.
Another thing people don't realize is The amount of migration from America to Mexico in the last
four years, it's through the roof.
Like millions.
I live in Mexico City and it's through the roof.
Like so many Americans are going to live there.
And when I first got there, I was trying to convince my friends to come visit.
Nobody wanted to come visit.
They thought it was like the worst place in the world.
And they got there and they're walking around.
They got malls better than our malls, restaurants better than our restaurants.
You can go to a $100 a person steakhouse, or you can get $2 tacos on the street that are cooked fresh.
It's an incredible place.
It's an incredible place.
tim pool
And everyone thinks it's all sepia-toned.
Because every movie ever, when they go to Mexico, they use sepia tone.
anthony constantino
Yeah.
tim pool
And then you go to Mexico City, and it's actually cool, and it's elevated, and very colorful, and like a normal city.
They got Buffalo Wild Wings.
ian crossland
Isn't that where the capital of the Aztecs was?
Tutuacan?
Is that right?
anthony constantino
I don't know.
I wrote about this in my Trump endorsement.
People don't really like the immigration stuff.
It's very anti-happiness because we do such a good job of marketing in America.
I lived in Mexico for six years.
I talked to so many people over there.
They all want to get out of Mexico and come to America because they don't know what America's like.
They think, it's so great here.
It must be even better in America.
I tell them, well, I'm like, you don't realize what you guys got here.
I mean, you guys, if people come, they leave their families, they ask for asylum,
they get separated, you know, it's tragic.
But, you know, America does a great job of marketing itself.
And I guess Mexico doesn't have the same marketing budget to market itself.
But since I moved there, you know, six years ago, I lived part-time there,
since I moved there part-time six years ago, I've been telling everybody about how great it is,
and all of a sudden millions of people are coming.
So I don't know if I'm their one-man marketing department.
or not but uh yeah Mexico doesn't have the marketing budget we do we got a
great marketing budget but yeah we're missing out on a lot of stuff that
could be better here you know we're fighting over crazy political things we
should be fighting over food that tastes delicious and doesn't make us fat.
tim pool
Yep alright Sea Warrior says why pull culture war based on an allegation from a weaponized
agency have you already performed due diligence?
We're not pulling.
What do you mean?
The show, uh, there's a channel called The Culture Ward.
YouTube.com slash TimCast.
It's my first YouTube channel.
It's where the show was originally.
Culture, uh, Tenet purchased a license to have the broadcast on their channel.
Pending, uh, anything, I can just broadcast it on my channel.
The show will exist as it already does.
Nothing's changing.
So, uh, pending what happens with whatever this indictment is, I have no idea, but the show is literally not changing.
It's gonna keep happening exactly as it is and always has been.
And we've got a bunch of great shows lined up.
This Friday on The Culture War, we've got John Devaney, Benyam Capple, And Shane Cashman, and what do we have coming up later on?
We have, I don't know what else we have on the list, but we've got a mob boss coming on the show.
I'm really excited for that one.
ian crossland
Sounds awesome.
tim pool
Yeah.
And he might be a current mob boss.
They say former, but you know, he might be, he might be a current one.
ian crossland
A mob always in the mob kind of thing?
unidentified
Who knows?
tim pool
I don't know.
We're going to hear what he has to say.
Cause I want, cause I, you know, I, we set this show up because you ever see a Bronx Tale?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
You ever see it?
anthony constantino
Yes.
tim pool
That scene where the bikers come in and they disrespect the bar.
So I'll lay it out because I don't know if people don't know the scene, but it's really great.
Basically, my boss, here's a ruckus, comes to the bar and he's like, what's the problem?
These bikers are very loud, bartenders-like, they can't come in here not dressed properly.
One biker just looks at him and says, look man, we just want a beer, you know, and then we'll be on our way.
And he goes, spoken like a gentleman, give them their beers.
and then gives him the beers and then the guy, the bikers take the beers, shake them up and
spray the bartender down and start laughing. Then he goes, okay, now you guys gotta leave.
And then the dude turns around and says like, F you, we're staying. So then he walks over,
closes the bar door, locks it, and then goes, now you can't leave.
And then the bikers all look at each other, then the back door busts open and a bunch of the boys come in with guns and bats, just beating the crap out of the bikers.
The point with that scene is that many people make the argument A city is better under control of local organized crime, which has an incentive to enrich themselves without the community becoming too damaged.
Whereas, right now, we're witnessing external gangs coming in, doing whatever they want, and there is no organized system.
So, if you call the police the largest mafia... When I was growing up, people were like, the police are just the largest mafia in the country or whatever.
Okay, well, we don't got those now, because you look at these roving bands that loot department stores and steal everything.
So the question then is, what if there actually was a mafia?
And they were like, don't come and loot the stores that are paying us protection money.
Would things be better off?
So I had an interesting conversation around what that would look like.
ian crossland
I think they would be, because lawful evil is better than chaotic evil.
If you've got to live in that society, anyway.
Chaotic evil is where people eat each other on the street and no one can stop them.
tim pool
But imagine you know the mob boss.
He doesn't go around beating and injuring people.
He goes to your store and says, look, you've got to pay, because we're going to make sure nobody comes and destroys everything.
And if you don't pay, and nobody else pays, then these gangs are going to come and they're going to destroy everything.
You'd be like, okay.
And that's it?
That's the worst of it?
I don't even call that evil.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Extortion?
I mean, it's probably evil, but it's lawful.
tim pool
Or neutral at the very least.
So when the police come and say, pay the tax man, because we're here to protect your business, and if you don't pay, no one else will pay... Hopefully they're good, yeah, hopefully.
No, it's still evil, then.
ian crossland
It's still kind of extortion.
tim pool
Call it evil.
I'm just saying, like, it's not so easy to determine what is good or evil.
I would argue that could just be considered neutral.
You know?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Roving gangs are coming and destroying everyone's businesses and ruining the town.
So guys, a bunch of guys get together and say, if we're going to do this, we need your support and everyone's got to pay.
Otherwise, we're not going to pick and choose who gets protected.
So, you know, the question is, is the mafia committing crimes and hurting people and then they're evil?
But if it's literally just like it's real protection, there's a question about whether it's evil or not.
I think it'll be fun.
Anyway, let's grab some more Super Chats.
What have we here?
Kalashnikov, ooh, good name, says, U.S.
dollar is stronger than ever, and the southern border is secure.
Anything else is Russian disinformation campaign, and you are the willing participant that must go to jail for espionage.
Ah, indeed, that's right.
No one ever better criticize the economy or the southern border.
ian crossland
I also wanted to add, there is no war in Ba Sing Se.
tim pool
That's right.
There is no war.
What have we here?
A lad who ate four dozen eggs.
That's too many.
YouTube deleted my super chat, so I'll donate again.
A. Waltz's family endorsed Trump.
unidentified
Let's go!
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And then Trump thanked him for it.
Apparently Trump wants to meet with him.
That'd be funny.
Michael Beacon says, thanks Anthony for taking a stand for sane political discourse.
I'll definitely be using Sticker Mule for my next crowdfund for my comic, Seven Legions, and next time I need hot sauce.
ian crossland
A lot of people were saying it was profound how you were explaining how people can be intimidated by mail-in voting.
I'd never thought of that before, the intimidation factor of someone that you know being like, have you filled your thing out for?
anthony constantino
Yeah, it's odd.
I don't know why no one else talks about this issue.
But hopefully people hear this and people start realizing this is the big problem with it.
tim pool
We talked about, too, like parents.
If they've got 18 to 20-year-old kids who still live at home, they come in and the mom goes, fill out your ballots and vote for the Democrat.
And the kid's like, sure, whatever.
anthony constantino
Exactly.
tim pool
And now that kid would never have gone to vote.
But the mail-in vote is right there and they'll get it.
And that kid doesn't know what they're voting for, doesn't care what they're voting for.
And then they're wondering why it is in California they're giving out $150,000 loans to non-citizens, to illegal immigrants, and Gen Z can't get a house.
I hope everyone in Gen Z hears that and I hope you share it with everyone in Gen Z.
You can't buy a house, you can't afford a house, you can't find a good job, and California is giving $150,000 to illegal immigrants to own homes.
ian crossland
Is that effective?
That's an effective loan program now?
tim pool
I don't know if Newsom signed it yet, but Nancy Pelosi effectively endorsed it, saying, well, it's for the American dream for everybody.
Everybody should own a home.
And it's like, OK, well, let's start with Gen Z first.
Let's do triage.
ian crossland
I saw her on Bill Maher, yeah, and he's like, but they're not citizens.
She's like, well, they should be.
tim pool
She's like, I want to move them to DACA.
hannah claire brimelow
It's only a matter of time, she says.
ian crossland
Yup.
tim pool
Seeking the Kingdom says, tell Constantino I love his hot sauce and the Russell Brand stickers were dope.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
What have we here?
John Eden says, how did the DOJ find out about any of this and why were they investigating Tenet in the first place?
Something smells fishy.
That is interesting.
It's a good question.
What would have prompted them to begin an investigation of Tenet Media in the first place?
hannah claire brimelow
It's a good question.
Generally, I think that they are monitoring anyone affiliated with RT really intensely because they hate RT.
tim pool
But if you read the indictment...
The crazy thing is, it looks like great efforts were taken to obfuscate the source of revenue.
I suppose, though, if these people were actively involved, they knew who they were, and they knew they were lying about their identities, then you're not obfuscating anything.
It's like they know who you are.
So, you know, I don't know.
We'll see.
I don't know what's true.
Indictments, it even says on the DOJ website, these are not proven true.
These are allegations, and there still has to be a criminal hearing or whatever it may be.
But the other interesting thing is that they're only going after the Russians.
Just cause I'm free says the DOJ and Biden administration are accusing Russia of influence.
I'll just repeat what Obama said.
It'll be fun.
Just Cause I'm Free says the DOJ and Biden administration are accusing Russia of influence.
I'll just repeat what Obama said.
The 1980s called and they want their policies back.
The Moon Guy says the Soviet Union in the 50s and 60s ran propaganda studies in the
news on their citizens, and they found it only takes three weeks for people to believe
it, to believe a lie.
Thank you.
Indeed.
And then it becomes history.
It becomes sustained fact.
And then people say, well, everybody knows about X. Everybody knows this thing happened.
All right.
Sean H says, shut up, Ian.
He literally said, I'm not going to be a dictator, but they call him a liar no matter what he says.
Every detractor says he lies, but never say what the lies are.
ian crossland
I was actually shutting up.
I was trying to understand that total in total.
But I don't know what it was in reference to.
tim pool
That people say Trump's a liar, but they never reference what he's lying about.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
He said everyone says he's a... I don't know.
Anyway, okay.
tim pool
You know, I can only say this off the top of my head right now.
I can't think of any immediate lies from Trump.
I know in the past he's had silly ones where it's like, you know, I don't know the size of what like he's accused of lying about the square footage of his house.
ian crossland
The size of the crowd.
I think he said he had the largest crowd size ever on once when he didn't.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe though, but that's not specific enough because there was a story where Trump said we're the largest audience and combined live audience and in person.
That's true.
But they argued he was talking about the people in front of him, which would not be true.
And it's just like, but you know, I don't think Trump's a liar.
But like everybody lies.
Like literally everybody lies.
hannah claire brimelow
Just ask Tim Walz.
tim pool
Right.
Now that guy's a liar.
But I can tell you this, in the past, there were several stories that we talked about were like, well, Trump lied about this.
Like, that's not true.
But as of recent, off the top of my head, I couldn't think of anything.
I actually think he's done a great job improving his behavior and his attitude and he's still funny and all that.
So he's doing pretty well.
hannah claire brimelow
Could you imagine if a politician gets caught in a lie and he just is like, everybody lies.
I'm just like you guys.
Everybody lies.
I mean, like the most hilarious defense.
tim pool
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Anthony, do you want to shout anything out?
anthony constantino
Right now, uh, I don't know.
Check out Sticker Mule.
Somebody keep writing Tim to set up a store until he decides to do one.
tim pool
Well, someone will hear all this.
Someone will hear all this.
ian crossland
TimCast's Sticker Mule store.
anthony constantino
Right?
StickerMule.com, frontstage, Tim Pool.
Right?
We need that URL.
ian crossland
StickerMule.com.
hannah claire brimelow
Can people follow you anywhere?
anthony constantino
Me?
I'm on Twitter, I guess.
Right?
X. Yeah.
AC132.
But like I said, I'm a... What's the word?
I don't know how to pronounce it.
It starts with an L and ends with an E. Luddite.
unidentified
Luddite.
anthony constantino
But yeah, I don't really use... I mean, I'm starting to use social media.
I kept the whole company off social media, and I kept us off the internet in general.
I don't know.
Well, I guess we had a website, but... How did you guys get... Well, this is a whole other conversation, but you got so popular and successful... Yeah, the social media doesn't really do... It's not like a necessity for companies to be big.
It's not really...
A necessity at all.
People think it is, but I could delete all the social stuff tomorrow and our sales would probably go up.
ian crossland
Well, hopefully you won't because at Stickermule is where you'll find them on Twitter.
anthony constantino
Oh, and we're doing more stuff with Ricky Berwick next week, so follow us on Twitter.
Wait, it's called X now?
Follow us on X. We're blocked by Elon on X, maybe because I keep calling it Twitter.
And also because in Mexico, I should not say this, but because in Mexico they pronounce it Ellen, and I by mistake say it that way, and I'm like, maybe he heard me call him Ellen and he got mad and blocked us.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Like you guys are dark, you guys are like shadow band or something?
anthony constantino
No, he like, Sticker Mule is blocked by Elon, so I'm just gonna... Oh, he blocked you personally, I get you.
hannah claire brimelow
I want an explanation on this immediately.
anthony constantino
It was like a week after he wrote, I'm unblocking everyone, and then he just like, Except for Sticker Mule.
I do not like the Sticker guy.
ian crossland
Maybe it's a parody account.
Check it out.
Maybe it's not his intro.
anthony constantino
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
He does not like Stickers.
Maybe he had a childhood trauma.
I don't know.
I shouldn't make something happen with Stickers.
He doesn't like that he had the hot sauce and it made him, I don't know, have diarrhea.
I don't know.
unidentified
Maybe.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
Follow me on the internet, Ian Crossland.
I've been streaming live during the day and the afternoons.
It's quite fun.
So come join me at Ian Crossland on YouTube.
I'm also on Twitch, Instagram.
I multi-stream to Rumble.
And gosh, where else?
X. I'm on all the platforms.
So check me out somewhere in the afternoon tomorrow.
I should be there playing Diablo or music or something else.
Have fun.
Take care of yourself.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com, Scanner News.
Follow them at TimCastNews on the internet.
You can follow me.
I'm on Instagram, HannahClaire.B, and I'm on Twitter, HannahClaireB.
Thanks for everything you guys do.
Have a good night.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a couple minutes.
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