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Police CAPTURE Man Who Threatened Trump's Life, Kamala Speaks At DNC w/Michael Malice | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
So, apparently there was a manhunt in Arizona for a man who was threatening to kill Donald
Trump didn't know.
They ended up catching the guy.
And it's crazy.
There's an interview where Trump, in the middle of the interview, says, we have to stop talking.
We're actually in serious danger right now.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I just think...
Man, since last month, when Trump nearly died, they got to take this stuff seriously.
So watching Donald Trump leave that bulletproof glass gets me kind of nervous, if you know what I'm saying.
But they caught the guy, and we'll go through this and the security issues.
They're saying there's going to be a special guest at the DNC.
Rumors are Taylor Swift.
Or George W. Bush.
I don't know why, but people think it's going to be George W. Bush.
But if it was, I mean, that would be the weirdest thing ever.
So probably not.
But we got some big news.
SCOTUS has ruled in favor of requiring proof of citizenship in this court case out of Arizona for voters.
We'll talk about that.
And then we've got Ken Paxton going undercover investigating individuals trying to register illegal immigrants to vote.
Man.
And then, you know, I talked about this morning, and I find it kind of strange that it's not bigger news, but we're so entrenched in domestic politics.
You know, like, a little while ago, Ukraine invaded Russia, like, straight up invaded Russia, and Russia was forced to evacuate 130,000 of its own citizens.
Yeah, so escalation seems pretty likely, and it's pretty freaky.
So we'll talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Michael Malice.
Who are you?
michael malice
you? I usually have them. Okay. Uh, I got to tell you, I, uh, no, I'm not that emotion.
Like, I know, I know. Um, this is, I think what my, I don't even know what time this
is that I've been on the show. And this is the time I am most unexcited because we're
going to have to sit here and listen to officer Harris.
Give her talk. It's right at nine It's going to be awful.
We know what it's going to say, and it's just going to be excruciating.
And I've been to North Korea, and I'd rather be in North Korea right now than listening to this talk again.
ian crossland
Well, you can't bring me down, because I know every time Malice rolls in, I feel like Gandalf's here, and we're about to go on an adventure.
michael malice
I'm much more of a hobbit than a Gandalf.
Let's be honest, I'm 4'11".
tim pool
But I agree, because when they pulled Biden out, I was actually disheartened.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And I opened the show by saying, they're going to make us talk about her?
michael malice
I know, I know.
unidentified
It's mean.
michael malice
It's like the view of becoming president.
tim pool
Well, so that's Michael Malice.
Ian's hanging out.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm excited.
Let's roll, man.
I feel like Tim is Frodo carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders, and I'm like Sam, the comedy relief.
michael malice
Who's the one who got all fat and now is for Kamala?
ian crossland
That's me.
That's Sam.
michael malice
It's Sam?
No, he went on Twitter and he's just like, I'm a natural leader and I'm now for Kamala.
tim pool
It's Samwise.
ian crossland
Sean Astin, maybe?
michael malice
Yeah, Sean Astin.
tim pool
Samwise Genji.
ian crossland
Man, what a career he's had.
The viking from The Goonies.
tim pool
I'm the guy who thinks he can wield the ring, but then goes insane and gets killed by the orc.
ian crossland
Oromir?
That guy had it rough.
That was Sean Bean.
tim pool
Anyway, that's Ian.
ian crossland
Hey, everybody.
tim pool
Raymond's hanging out as well.
michael malice
That's a hat of Sauron.
raymond g stanley-jr
Hey, friends.
I'm Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I have Facilities and Maintenance here at Timcast.
And we're already having a blast here with Michael, so we're looking forward to it.
tim pool
And Hannah Clare's hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I'm Hannah Clare Brummel.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
I'm so happy to be back.
I'm glad we can have Michael with us.
I know you're really doing service to the country right now by being willing to listen to Kamala Harris and decode it.
michael malice
Thank me for my service.
I am Austin's bravest.
tim pool
All right, let's jump into this first story.
Check this out.
Arizona man accused of threatening to kill Trump nabbed after manhunt during former president's border visit.
Apparently, Trump says he wasn't even aware the manhunt was going on.
Also, apparently, I guess this guy is a pedophile.
Is that is that correct?
hannah claire brimelow
He failed to register as a sex offender.
Oh, so that could maybe be something else.
But he's probably a pedophile.
tim pool
Yeah, 66 year old male.
michael malice
It could be adult.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It could be.
But like, you know, I don't know.
tim pool
And then Trump was talking to a reporter in Arizona and he says, they don't want me standing here.
I'll just play the clip.
It's kind of scary, but it's kind of funny.
hannah claire brimelow
Obviously an assassin tried to kill you.
jesse lee peterson
Can I tell you something?
We're in danger standing here talking.
unidentified
So let's not talk any longer.
jesse lee peterson
No, I know about it, but they don't want me standing here.
unidentified
They don't want you standing here either.
Have a good time.
Thank you very much.
tim pool
I mean, this is kind of crazy, because it's like a month ago, someone literally shot Trump in the head.
The side of the head, I know, it just sounds crazier, but it was his ear.
And the crazy thing, too, is how people think it was staged.
They think that Trump set it up, and it was like the shooter was intentionally aiming for his ear.
michael malice
It's all these people who say, well, if you have someone robbing your house, just shoot the gun out of their hand.
But apparently they did.
What do you mean?
tim pool
The local police did shoot the rifle.
michael malice
Oh, sure, sure.
But the broader point is, I'm sorry, if the corporate press was as concerned about this as they are about, like, climate change, like, that would be a normal response.
The fact that they kind of shrugged their shoulders and moved on is extremely disturbing to me.
And I have Alex Jones's tinfoil hat on the wall in my house next to your beanie.
You've seen it in my house.
And I don't think errors of this magnitude are made lightly.
tim pool
It's not possible.
michael malice
It's impossible.
I'm not a gun person, but I know enough if I saw that stage to scope out where the possible... It's not just that, it's that they have photos of the shooter walking around with the rifle.
Yeah.
tim pool
So he was there, and they were like, oh hey look, that guy.
And no one did anything about it.
michael malice
He doesn't look creepy at all.
ian crossland
Get a gun!
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
Immediately you stop the guy, but they did not.
They let him do it.
ian crossland
I would say it's technically not impossible, but it is so unlikely that that was just an oops.
michael malice
Yeah, but here's the thing.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
It is impossible.
michael malice
Let's steel man this.
If we're running a restaurant and you serve chicken and some kid goes to the hospital because the chicken was undercooked, we're freaking the hell out and we're like, all right, we got to look through every step because this can never happen again.
And that's the only thing we're talking about is how did this happen?
What's our workflow?
That doesn't seem to be the case here.
tim pool
Yeah, this would be more like a kid goes to the hospital after eating raw chicken, which somehow affected him within 40 minutes, and then he like spazzes out, collapses, and we go, whoa, what happened?
And then every member of the staff is like, well, we did see a guy walking around with a jar that labeled arsenic, and he was spritzing it on the chicken, but we didn't do anything about it.
We fired the chef.
I'd be like, yeah, that wasn't an accident.
He came in, and you guys, you were complicit.
Yes.
So a guy, when your job is to make sure a guy doesn't come in with weapons to try and kill the president, and you release him from holding, you know there's a threat.
People are screaming at someone.
Come on.
Okay, how about this?
Let's try Michael's analogy.
A kid eats raw chicken and then falls.
No, no.
How about, let's just say he eats peanuts, okay?
He's allergic to peanut butter and he goes, and he falls down.
We're like, how did peanuts get in his food?
This is crazy.
And then the people you hired specifically for the purpose of making sure that this kid doesn't eat any peanuts.
michael malice
That's the peanut job, right?
Yeah.
tim pool
That's right.
A guy came in carrying a big bag of peanuts.
We noticed it and we said it was fine.
People started screaming, he's got peanuts.
He's going to put peanuts in his food.
And we were like, don't worry about it.
And then the guy walked over and shoved peanuts in the kid's mouth.
That's how it happened.
You'd be like, were you in on it?
hannah claire brimelow
And then they say, well, we're investigating it right now.
Like we're looking into it.
We'll get back to you on how this happened.
michael malice
Investigate ourselves if we found a wrongdoing.
tim pool
I also want to add, we don't even need to use the peanut allergy.
It's just getting convoluted.
A guy was walking around with a rifle at Trump's rally and Secret Service was like, that's fine.
I don't believe it.
And here's the better part, okay?
And I mean that facetiously.
When the guy was walking with a gun and Secret Service was like, meh, so what?
They didn't care?
When the guy opened fire, they didn't even respond first, local law enforcement did, then Secret Service fired.
ian crossland
That's where the story gets really crazy.
tim pool
That's where it's like, Secret Service was letting him do this.
Like, just hands down.
hannah claire brimelow
And then they get to continue on their way, right?
It wasn't like anyone got moved off.
Everyone who has Secret Service protection maintained the same, as far as I know, the same Secret Service protection.
Except for maybe Trump when he walked out surrounded by men instead of women at the RNC a couple days later.
michael malice
I don't understand why he has the money.
I don't understand why he doesn't hire supplemental private security.
ian crossland
I hope that he has and he hasn't talked about it.
michael malice
That's smart.
That's probably right.
You're right.
They're undercover.
You're absolutely right.
That's the move.
You're right.
Stupid of me.
tim pool
Yeah, no Ian's correct.
That's how we operate.
When we make security upgrades, we don't tell people what our security upgrades were.
Except for the person who put gum under our table.
We have 24-7 surveillance camera and we will find you and we will publish the footage.
michael malice
Yeah, it's probably Dave Smith.
ian crossland
Throw your gum out before we go live.
tim pool
Right before we went live, Michael noticed there was gum under the table.
Someone sucked it.
michael malice
And it tasted terrible.
ian crossland
It was blue.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
You know who you are.
It was dry.
You can watch the video of someone speaking who has blue tongue.
michael malice
I think it was like a mint.
It wasn't like a bubble.
It's not gonna stay in their tongue.
hannah claire brimelow
Good forensics examination over there.
michael malice
I'm a gum person.
I know the texture.
tim pool
Let me ask you, Michael, because I mean, we've all talked about the Trump assassination stuff ad nauseum, but, you know, you said you got your tinfoil hat on.
Who do you think What do you think is behind this?
And I'll say this too, so I can just tell you where I'm at.
Some official capacity wanted Trump to die that day.
I said this when we were at the RNC, right after it happens.
Do people—so, three questions.
Does Trump derangement syndrome exist?
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
Of course it does.
Are there people—what was the second one I said?
Are there people who are happy that this attempt on Trump's life happened and have expressed remorse that they didn't succeed?
Absolutely.
There's been man-on-the-street interviews.
And the third question is, is it possible that some of these people might work in government?
Well, of course, absolutely.
All of these things are one for one.
So the idea that there could be someone in official capacity in the Secret Service that wished that actually happened to Trump is probably extremely high, especially considering I think it was McNabb who said several members of federal intelligence agencies are expressing their intent to flee the country if Trump wins.
So my position is the likely scenario in the Trump assassination is some official capacity.
michael malice
I'll give you my answer.
Have you ever had Jessica Tarlow on the show?
unidentified
No.
michael malice
She's a great lefty.
She's on Fox, which is like in the lion's den.
tim pool
I don't think they're allowed to come on the show.
unidentified
Maybe.
michael malice
Okay.
I had her on my show.
I'm a big fan of hers.
I think she fights for her issues in an articulate and sincere way.
tim pool
I was praising her this morning actually.
michael malice
So I had her on my show and we're talking about the Clinton – it's like the so-called
the Clinton death list or hit-kill list.
I said to her, I go, if I'm a president and I genuinely believe that it's important
for me to stay in office and my opponent will cause harm to this country and I'm responsible
for causing wars, in which case our men and women are going to die for my country and
I have those blood on my hand, but that's the responsibility I take.
Why wouldn't I hypothetically just take out one person who I thought was a problem
to what I think is best for America?
If I can handle a war, why can't I handle one?
And she's like, yeah, you're right.
She was like, okay, that logic makes sense to me.
So hold on.
In this context, I completely agree with you that the so-called – look at J. Edgar Hoover.
He had more power than many presidents.
They would have to bend the knee to him.
All our phones are tapped.
They have kompromat on pretty much any politician because you're not going to get to watch them without being highly corrupt.
And I don't think any of this is really kind of in dispute.
So I don't know if it was, I don't think it was planned, but I think if I'm the guy playing chess, I could set up the board that's like, I'm just going to leave these weaknesses and let things happen.
Let the chips fall where they may.
tim pool
Yeah, so the way I explained it is, it's actually much more simple than people realize.
Now, finding someone who's crazy and would actually pull off a stunt like this is an operation indeed.
michael malice
It's just rolling dice.
At a certain point, they're going to present themselves.
tim pool
If they do it every time, all you have to do is whoever is organizing secret service,
say there's five vantage points, they then tell everybody, hey, I'm going to be assigning
you your security position.
We have five vantage points.
I'll let you know where to go.
Each of these individuals has no idea what other people are doing or what they've been
assigned.
You can compartmentalize it very easily.
So when no one is securing that building, even though law enforcement requested it four
days in advance, all it takes is one, someone in logistics, who have not assigned someone
Then the question is, but people were screaming, he's got a gun.
How did Trump get released from holding?
So they knew the guy was there.
They have Trump in the holding position, which is a secure area before they release him.
How did he get released?
Simple.
One person in logistics.
They call and say, is the threat clear?
And they go, yep, you're all good.
All it takes.
Yep, we're good.
Send Trump on out.
michael malice
But you know how else I think your theory holds credence?
Because when I was a kid, showing my age, the whole point of the Secret Service is your job is to someone's firing, you're taking that bullet, you're taking that knife.
They're getting trained for that.
I'm taking my life for the sake of the president.
It does not seem that when this went down, no one went on TV and is like, I take pride in this organization, the Secret Service, for protecting presidents for decades.
This has destroyed our name.
I take full responsibility.
They should be on the verge of tears because, again, it's like Marines or any of these other Navy SEALs.
They take themselves so seriously and that brand is so important to them.
tim pool
The brand is dead.
michael malice
But you would think, they would be like, this can never happen again.
I'm so sorry.
As much transparency as possible without, you know, making someone in danger in the future, but be like, I resign.
This is on my shoulders.
I accept responsibility.
hannah claire brimelow
Instead we got Kim Cheeto who said the buck stops with me, except also local police was in charge of that building.
Which is bizarre anyway.
She was immediately shifting blame away from the organization.
She repeatedly said she wouldn't resign.
Obviously she did.
And I think that speaks to sort of institutional rot within the Secret Service.
Because, you know, you get members of like the Trump family praising individual, you know, agents saying they've been on my family's detail, we're close to them, whatever else.
The fact that the overarching leadership of this basically did nothing.
She didn't even hold a press conference.
Then Chito's first appearance was an ABC interview.
That's how they view this, as their ability to become celebrities.
michael malice
And Tim, we know this is true because in 2020 all these law and order figures sat on their hands while those cities burned.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
So they were perfectly happy to see lots of people's lives get destroyed if it furthered their agenda.
ian crossland
Oh, 30 plus deaths.
tim pool
Firebombing St.
John's Church?
Firebombing the White House grounds?
ian crossland
Utilitarian warmongers are probably thinking, OK, they love Trump out of the way so that we can re-engage in the Middle East fully without any resistance.
But if he dies, then his base is going to erupt in a fury and we might have a civil war in our hands.
We don't want that.
But then if it's an external force that doesn't give a crap about the United States, they'd be happy to see it erupt into a civil war.
michael malice
I slightly disagree because if, God forbid, a president gets – or a former president who's running for office gets taken out, that is a great excuse for authoritarians to be like, all right, we're cracking down Patriot Act.
You know, everyone's a suspect.
That'll give them the ability to really turn the screws.
ian crossland
And they had had the Iran thing ready to go.
The Iran story trickled out afterwards weekly, like they were like, oh, and by the way, I guess Iran wanted an attempt on Trump's life or is going to in the future now.
hannah claire brimelow
You should focus away from what actually happened, though.
I mean, now when you look up Trump assassination attempt, a lot of headlines are that instead of crooks shooting Trump in the ear and then us never getting an explanation from the Secret Service.
ian crossland
It seems just clear that what seems like the clear obvious thing is that there was some sort of plan to assassinate the former president and then blame it on Iran and get us into a war with Iran.
michael malice
They're talking more today about a line that Trump supposedly said in Charlottesville Then the fact that one of the major presidential contenders and a former president was just almost murdered.
hannah claire brimelow
And one of the emphasis tonight at the DNC is victims of gun violence.
Like, are they going to bring Trump out on stage?
Probably not.
tim pool
He's the special guest.
ian crossland
You know why they want Iran too so bad?
It's because of the Gulf of Aden.
If you look on the map, it's real apparent why.
They took Kuwait in the 90s.
So that's where they basically seized access to the Persian Gulf from Iraq.
They took it and they made Kuwait whenever they made it.
And so that's the American piece.
And then they ship into the Persian Gulf, and then it goes through the Gulf of Aden
But Iran can block off the Gulf of Aden at any moment.
Then we can't get our oil into the Indian Ocean.
So we need that.
Is it past Aden or Aden?
unidentified
Aden.
michael malice
But it's very far away from Iran.
ian crossland
No, it's bordering it, man.
tim pool
No, it isn't.
You're talking about the Gulf of Oman.
ian crossland
Oh, Oman.
Okay, thank you.
The Gulf of Oman.
tim pool
Is that what you meant?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
It goes Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, Indian Ocean.
So Iran's basically bordering it and patrolling the Gulf of Oman.
If they shut it down, we can't get our Kuwaiti oil into the Indian Ocean.
That's a big problem for the American war machine.
tim pool
region's mixed up, but you are correct.
Thank you so much.
Kuwait, through the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, can get out into the Arabian Sea.
ian crossland
Yeah, and so they've got — that's why we're allies with Saudi Arabia, probably, is because
it protects not only the Suez Canal, but the Persian Gulf oil access.
And then Iran's just there like a thorn literally in the side of the Gulf of Oman.
michael malice
And let's also point out that Iran is Iran because the Shah was overthrown because the
is like, okay, go overthrow the Shah.
And this really drives me crazy in contemporary politics and people are like, when something is bad, whatever the alternatives has to be better.
It's the worst thing ever.
It's like the Shah's authority is terrible, he's terrible, which I'm sure was true.
But then as compared to what?
It's not always true that whoever replaces what's bad is going to be better.
ian crossland
Same with Saddam Hussein.
tim pool
That's part of our business.
michael malice
As well, correct.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from Fox News.
SCOTUS gives partial victory to GOP trying to enforce proof of citizenship to vote in Arizona.
The law group says each state should determine its own voting process.
In a 5-4 ruling Thursday, SCOTUS gave a partial victory.
The court was asked to allow enforcement of sections of Arizona's law requiring documented proof of citizenship to cast a ballot in the presidential election, including when voting by mail.
The Republican Party of Arizona said on August 15th that it had filed an emergency application pending appeal for the U.S.
Court of Appeals Ninth Circuit in support of HB 2492, a law requiring proof of citizenship to vote in the presidential elections.
A federal judge had blocked the enforcement of the law, which prompted the appeal to the high court for temporary relief.
The Constitution gives states the power to set voter qualifications, and Arizona is leading the charge to ensure only citizens vote in our elections.
The Arizona GOP tweeted, this case has the potential to prevent non-citizen voting once and for all, which should have been the case all along.
Now, I got a question.
Why are Democrats opposed to citizens requiring proof that they're citizens?
michael malice
I mean, really or ostensibly?
You know the answers to both.
ian crossland
Both.
tim pool
Well, I know, but we'll say it for the audience.
michael malice
I mean, really, it's because they want to make sure the people are going to be voting for them.
And ostensibly, what'd they say?
Because poor people don't have ID?
It's something crazy like that.
tim pool
I think they say black people don't have ID.
michael malice
But not in Arizona.
That's not going to be true.
I don't think that matters.
tim pool
I think they just say black people anyway.
ian crossland
But it's illegal immigration.
michael malice
Let's just be clear.
ian crossland
But the truth is, yeah.
michael malice
I don't think it's illegal immigration.
I think it's also illegal people voting repeatedly.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's a lot of things.
That's fair.
michael malice
It's not only illegal.
hannah claire brimelow
I think illegal immigration in Arizona is the issue, though, because it has such, you know, the proximity to the border.
I mean, what's interesting about this is that when you read it, it's, you know, you go on the Secretary of State's website and it's like, yeah, when you want to register to vote, you can, like, bring your driver's license or you can bring, you know, A photocopy of your birth certificate or your tribal ID number.
All of these very reasonable things.
Tons of options.
It's not like you have to have just one form of proof of citizenship.
And the argument from Voting Rights Group is, well, you're going to make it difficult for lots of people.
And also, you know, when they go to verify people's citizenship, you know, this could threaten millions of Arizonans.
So you're saying that there is a problem, that there are non-citizens voting in elections in Arizona?
michael malice
I don't understand, and I think it's very un-American, that this idea that we should make it as easy to vote as possible.
tim pool
It should not be, it should be very difficult.
michael malice
It makes no sense to me.
ian crossland
At least intermediately challenging, yeah.
Like, not like anybody can trip over a rock and vote.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't even think it's that challenging to be like, here is my driver's license.
michael malice
And my male genitalia.
Those two things.
tim pool
And the problem is that conservatives, libertarians, not necessarily libertarians, but probably more so, are willing to accept the lightest form of argument, which is, we just want IDs.
Okay, how about this?
We'll play the big ask.
In order to vote in this country, you need an ID, two credit cards, a debit card... Three years of tax filings.
Yeah, three years of tax filings.
And then, when they say that's insane, no matter what vote we go, okay, okay, fine.
How about we settle with, like, your birth certificate, social security card, and an ID?
michael malice
Yeah.
Do you know what I think?
Can I change the subject a little bit about the Supreme Court?
Because I think this is a really smart move for the Republicans.
They should say, they have to, they have to do this because there's been enough talk bubbling under from Warren and all these other types that we are going to have a constitutional amendment to limit the Supreme Court to nine members.
And if the Democrats vote no, they say, if you vote no, we're going to pack the court.
So either we've settled this argument once and for all, or you guys want to play this game, we'll play first.
Because otherwise, they're all talking about so-called rebalancing the court, which means adding however many to make it a left-wing court.
tim pool
It'll be 13.
Yeah.
A total.
At least.
Right.
But you know the reason for that, right?
michael malice
So that they win.
tim pool
There's federal districts for each justice.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
But some have more than one because at a certain point we stopped adding justices.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
So the argument for adding more justices is I think we have 13 federal districts.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe it's 12.
michael malice
That's the ostensible argument.
tim pool
I think it might be 12.
ian crossland
I'm wholly not.
I'm opposed to more judges, to be honest.
I don't like the less judges, it feels like the worst.
If we had one judge, that would be the worst case scenario, that one guy gets to decide
everything.
So at least we have a group of people, like a tribal, 12 elders.
michael malice
I'm not going to live in the longhouse with you hippies, like with this tribal whitewood.
ian crossland
It's too late, you're right here.
unidentified
Dang it.
ian crossland
Well, but I don't know.
I get nervous about a small group of people making epic decisions for 350 million people.
michael malice
Yeah, but the Senate's 100.
The presidency's one.
ian crossland
Yeah, but they're wholly ineffective.
I mean, there's 450 people making decisions for the rest of us.
michael malice
It's easy.
ian crossland
I've got to tell you, it's easy.
michael malice
I'm sorry, George, go ahead.
ian crossland
And then the businesses will bribe these people to make decisions outside.
You know, the will of Congress is basically the will of the lobbyists and the big money, and the rest of us are left wondering, why are drug prices so high?
hannah claire brimelow
But you did just bounce from Congress or, like, from Supreme Court having too few and then Senate has too few, but now Congress has too many.
Like, I agree with you.
It is difficult to determine what the most effective way to govern is.
On the other hand, like, our system is developed to have checks and balances, and if all of the branches of government function the same way, we would have the same kinds of problems over and over again.
michael malice
Like in the New Deal, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
You know, I just want to jump back to this for a second.
So the partial victory is that in Arizona, they are allowed to enforce their proof of citizenship requirement.
But if voters register via a federal form, they don't have to provide proof of citizenship.
So that means that the state has done a really good job of securing election integrity, in my opinion, for Arizona, for any position in Arizona.
But on the federal level, anyone casting, I don't know, a presidential ballot, they don't need to verify that there is proof of citizenship.
michael malice
I also don't agree with the conservative argument that if the Democrats are stealing, the so-called stealing the elections, they're doing it through illegal immigrants.
I think it's much more they would do things like filling out forms for other people, you know, like how when you have a campaign contributions, like it's in my name and I just put your guy's name as if you contributed, like stuff like that.
They don't need to deal into that kind of a legal area when there's enough they can deal with in gray areas, especially in cities, to put them over the top.
tim pool
Here's an easy one.
Somebody who lives in Arizona, in Phoenix, and then moves to Los Angeles, and a mail-in ballot arrives at their old address in their name.
They vote in both states.
Arizona and California don't come together and say, can we compare notes?
So you've got 50 states.
If they cast ballots in the name, and you know what, let's just say this.
Let's just say there's a Democrat out there who thinks, I gotta do whatever it takes to stop Donald Trump.
So they, whoops, I just forgot.
I voted twice.
Now they voted twice in two different states, and if it's Illinois and it's L.A.
or California, those states don't compare their voter rolls and see who did it.
Matt Brainerd did this and he found duplicates.
In Arizona and California.
And then what happens?
michael malice
Nothing.
But I think people also don't appreciate, and maybe COVID didn't teach them enough, that this country is a lot more loving of authoritarian than we would like to believe.
Like, there are a lot of people in this country, a lot, who would want to go back to COVID-era America.
Like, they were happier there because they like their cage.
tim pool
Yes.
They're Democrats.
michael malice
Yeah, there's a lot of them.
ian crossland
That is pretty terrifying to think of.
Like with the Kamala Harris situation where they installed a candidate and people are like clapping like wild animals.
tim pool
The – for those that saw the graph that I posted about the Krasensteins and didn't understand it, a few people really hit the nail on the head with what the graph meant.
It is a – I responded to Ed and Brian Liberals, and it's a graph showing on one axis intelligence – Pull it up.
Oh, yeah.
I'll pull it up.
ian crossland
I love these guys, by the way.
michael malice
The Krasensteins.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
We love the Krasensteins.
michael malice
Are they even shorter than me?
ian crossland
Actually, we were all sitting down.
I didn't get a good look at him.
I did the debate with Alex Jones.
tim pool
The first graph I'll show you is just for fun.
It's Kyle Kalinske's ability to recognize farms from an airplane correlated with his use of X. And the more he uses X, the higher his ability to recognize farms from an airplane.
This is just a joke, because Kyle Kalinske once famously posted a photo from an airplane where he was looking at a bunch of farms and he says, wow, I wonder why it looks like that.
And everyone was like, is it?
Are you joking?
Those are farms.
raymond g stanley-jr
How's he expected to be a serious pundit on politics and everyone doesn't know what farms are?
tim pool
Yeah, should I pull that one up?
michael malice
I mean, this makes me sad.
Yeah, you know Kyle?
But it's like when Sarah Silverman had those swastikas on the floor, and they were like construction markings, where that reporter found rubber bullets and thought they were, I don't remember what he thought they were.
tim pool
Okay, here you go.
He says, this is the land by Colorado-Kansas border from a plane.
Pretty cool.
I have no idea how or why it looks like this.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
Apologist Watson says, it's called farming.
raymond g stanley-jr
People are supposed to take him seriously.
michael malice
But at least he's honest.
unidentified
He doesn't know why he's here.
tim pool
This is years ago.
This is a long time ago.
But anyway, that was the joke, but this is what I wanted to show you.
I completely forgot what we were talking about before.
michael malice
This is the type of voting.
tim pool
So, and the Democratic Party, right, right, yes, yes.
So, I made this.
It says, Brian Kresenstein's Intelligence.
And on the bottom axis, it's Brian Kresenstein's Honesty.
And the more honest he is, the lower his IQ.
And the more dishonest he is, the higher his IQ.
The point being made is that he either knows that he's lying to you, or he's really stupid.
And a lot of people figured it out, but a lot of his fans were like, what does this even mean?
raymond g stanley-jr
I don't even know what you're trying to say!
michael malice
I'm like, I also want to point something else out on the screen that you're following him, but he doesn't follow you back.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, Brian.
tim pool
He doesn't follow me back?
michael malice
Look on the right.
tim pool
Oh, you're right.
He doesn't follow me.
Well, you see, I'm interested in hearing all different perspectives.
But it was where he was making fun of JD Vance.
This is the point I'm making.
There are people like the Krasensteins who will not tell you they do want the authoritarian COVID-style lockdown regime.
If you look at Mike Bloomberg, you understand their mentality perfectly.
Bloomberg said we should tax the poor because they're too stupid to make their own decisions.
michael malice
He said that?
tim pool
Yes, on stage.
He didn't say it literally that way.
He said something, I'm paraphrasing, but he did say poor people don't know how to take care of themselves, so we should tax them so that we can spend money for them and they will be better off.
Mike Bloomberg literally said this at a public event, live on stage.
michael malice
Isn't that the argument behind food stamps and Medicaid, though?
tim pool
Yeah, I can't disagree wholly with that.
The argument for food stamps is basically sometimes, the ostensible, is sometimes people fall in hard times, and we have unemployment benefits, disability benefits, food banks, and these things to help lift you up, so that in your time of need, you can get back on your feet.
What Bloomberg and many of these liberals are arguing, and the point about this graph I made, is that Brian's not going to tell you.
He knows what he's talking about.
He wants a system by which powerful elites tell everyone else what to do because he's one of these people who thinks everyone else is just too stupid to function properly.
michael malice
Can I have just one Ayn Rand quote where she says, anyone who wants more power for the state is or wants to be the state?
tim pool
Yes.
raymond g stanley-jr
Sure.
tim pool
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
I think what you end up seeing with the left and the right, there are many different components that make up the tribalism of the left and the right.
Some say it's authoritarianism versus, you know, libertarianism or nationalism versus globalism, whatever.
But a component certainly is.
People on the right tend to be individuals who think a decentralized power structure is better.
michael malice
That's correct.
tim pool
And the left are people who want a centralized power structure.
michael malice
With themselves at the center.
tim pool
Yes.
And so people like the Krasensteins, who are very well off relative to the average American, presumably based on what they earn on acts and the things they've posted that they've later said they don't make that much money, but they've got large followings.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
So based on that... And they do a good job for what they do.
Absolutely.
I look at them, and having talked to them, there's no... You know, a better example is at the Kresen scenes.
The only reason I use them so often is because they do interact.
I give them that respect.
They interact in ways other liberals don't.
But David Pakman's a really great example.
He's a really great example of someone who knows he's lying, and I know for a fact he knows he's lying.
Because some of the stories that he's researched for his segments, there's no way you could accidentally come to the conclusions he's come to.
michael malice
Have you ever had him on the show?
tim pool
No, he wants to come on The Culture War, You know, and again, I'll give people respect in this regard.
He hosts his own show.
For him to take time off his own show to come here would be doing me a favor.
That's fair.
But we are working on having him come on, and he wants to only do a one-on-one with me.
michael malice
That'd be cool.
tim pool
Oh, sure.
And I think there's... I was just shown by our booking agent this big, long list of all of the leftists and liberals that have been invited on the show, and how they either give an excuse or don't respond at all.
And there's an obvious reason why they won't come on.
They cannot handle an actual conversation around the issues.
They can handle Charlie Kirk.
With all due respect to Charlie Kirk, they can handle Charlie Kirk.
Because Charlie's gonna debate for Trump, and he's gonna debate for conservatism, and that's all that's gonna happen.
So if they say something like, Trump did bad thing, the typical response you get from a conservative is, oh yeah, well what about X?
michael malice
Yeah, what about Biden?
tim pool
What about Biden?
Whereas a debate with Michael Maus, for instance, or Dave Smith, or with me, is gonna be okay.
michael malice
Like I was telling Michael- Can I say one thing, though?
There's something else in addition to that, which is, and I've used this example a lot, when I was growing up, you had the WWF wrestling, and then you had the NWA, where Ric Flair was the main champion.
And sometimes people come up from NWA to WWF, and they pretend this person just never existed before.
And they had this kind of synthetic reality, where these other people just don't exist, and you don't know how to change the channel.
So I think for a lot of these lefties, I've never heard of that guy.
is never your name is never mentioned or some of these other people it's effectively for their
audience this person doesn't exist yeah they don't want to validate any attention yeah it's like
otherwise you're you literally no one i know listens to tim pool he's a nobody i've never
tim pool
heard of that guy i've never heard that guy if if uh so i i mentioned this the other day on the
show but i'll say i'm saying it not for the audience who's heard me say this three times
now but for for michael uh people Pete Buttigieg was on Fox News.
He's bragged about it.
He went to the DNC, he's like, you may have seen me on Fox News.
He repeated the line, crime went up under Trump.
And Fox's response was to hem and haw and deflect and say, oh, but you can't say that.
Oh, but what about this?
What about that?
When the appropriate response is, oh, okay.
That's it.
Wow.
Yeah, sure.
And my response to Pete Buttigieg is specifically, and that's why when Trump was president and crime went up, we talked about it every single day.
And we didn't ignore the fact that Trump was president.
In fact, we complained Trump wouldn't invoke the Insurrection Act to stop the riot.
ian crossland
Day two, after the riot started, I walked into the living room where you were.
I was like, why is he not calling in the National Guard?
tim pool
So to say, but crime went up under Trump.
My response is, you are correct.
And so what we were looking for was either governors to do the job Trump was unwilling to do, which they did not, and Trump wouldn't intervene either.
Now Trump's got an excuse.
He's not the governor.
He's at the federal level, and he would have to step over the states, defying them to invoke the insurrection.
michael malice
And the media.
Call him a Nazi.
tim pool
And I can understand why you didn't want to do that, although I'm disappointed in it.
Correct, Pete Buttigieg.
Now, I think a lot of conservatives would just say, oh, that's not true, blah blah blah, let me find my stats that prove me right, instead of actually just saying, fine, I don't care.
When the Krasensteins said, oh, you're calling price controls Marxist, is it Marxist when Trump does it?
My response is yes.
Next question.
This is why they won't come on the show though, because then what's the answer?
I agreed with you.
Next.
They don't have one.
ian crossland
I want to talk about this authoritarian, like how you guys are talking about appeal to authority and how some people want more state power and like the value of state power and how sometimes large swaths of stupid people can't make decisions for themselves because I think I'm thinking a lot about utilitarianism and the reason why... Run away, it's not good.
The reason why we got sucked into war in the Middle East is because Because we need resources.
Because if you have not enough resources, people will riot, so they're trying to... That's not true.
unidentified
We don't need resources.
michael malice
There's lots of poor countries where people don't riot.
ian crossland
Well, the United States isn't used to being poor, so if all of a sudden we ran out... In the Great Depression, there weren't riots, really.
What's that?
michael malice
We had the Great Depression, there weren't, like, 2020 riots.
ian crossland
No, they sent them off to war right away, though.
unidentified
No, they did.
michael malice
It was ten years.
Yeah.
29 crash, we got into war, what, 38, 39?
Yeah, 31?
I think it was later.
It was 41, right?
ian crossland
Right before the end.
41, yeah.
So, but that's one way to quell an angry populace is to send them to war to die.
Sure, that's true.
But like, I don't think everyone can make—I mean, that's why we have better men in the Constitution, why we have a small group of people kind of making these decisions for the masses.
michael malice
I don't believe in democracy.
It makes no sense.
ian crossland
About letting the crowd make the decision.
It's like most people, I don't know, it's not that they're stupid, it's just that not everyone's a genius.
michael malice
It's also they're irrelevant.
Just because aristocracy, we all agree, I should hope, makes no sense.
You're born into this family, therefore you have a right to tell me how to live my life.
That's crazy.
However, if you live 500 yards away from me, then you have a right to tell me how to live my life.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Yeah, you would think meritocracy... Sorry, sorry.
michael malice
What the heck are you talking about?
ian crossland
through like a meritocracy you would let elect the best people to run the show so you can sit back and just enjoy it.
michael malice
The best people aren't going to run and the people who run the show run those windows election and people win popularity contests.
Go back to your high school and think who won the popularity contest and ask yourselves are these really the best people.
They're not.
tim pool
And the proof is Dave Smith.
He didn't run.
The best libertarian candidate was Dave Smith.
He didn't want to run.
michael malice
Oh, he'd be a disaster.
And I say this as his... You don't think he'd be good?
Oh, I know this.
As his press secretary, he would be a disaster.
ian crossland
In what way?
michael malice
I'm joking, I'm joking.
tim pool
But he would have been better than literally anybody else that was running.
michael malice
Correct.
unidentified
No question.
michael malice
That's not even a... I was teasing.
tim pool
From his wit, his intelligence, and... Dave Smith?
Yeah.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
Absolutely.
ian crossland
And his connections.
tim pool
Best press secretary ever, by the way.
His connections, his friendships, his network.
And he didn't want to do it.
And I get it.
I respect it.
A lot of people don't want to step up and enter the fray in this way that doesn't reward you other than society itself, right?
Like the structure of society itself.
And then you look at someone like Tucker Carlson, right?
He doesn't want to run either.
And a lot of people wish he would.
Right.
This is the challenge with politics.
No, you get people of little societal value.
ian crossland
That's what it is.
They don't step up to the plate.
tim pool
Politicians are people who lack the skills to win, so they say, how about I just get in government?
Then, I want my name on the annals of history.
Here's my path to doing it, because I'm not good at it.
michael malice
Why would you put your family through this?
I asked this of Vivek.
I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
I had Amash on my show, too.
I'm like, you have a great wife, and you're really into being a dad.
Why are you doing this?
ian crossland
What was their answers?
michael malice
And Amash had a good point.
He goes, I left Washington for a while.
We had a good talk.
The kids are a little older.
And the guy they're running right now in Michigan, he's even worse than Mike Pence.
I feel like I could put a stop to it.
I'm like, hey, that makes sense to me.
But Vivek was like, listen, I feel like I'm saying things no one else is saying.
I'm like, OK, that makes sense to me, too.
I know what he said on purpose, on public.
He knew he wasn't getting the nomination, but he sure moved the needle.
And he sure made a name for himself.
So his campaign was a great success.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he set a lot of conversations forward.
tim pool
Let's jump into this story from the Washington Examiner.
Ken Paxton launches election fraud investigation.
This is big news.
He said, Secure elections are the cornerstone of our republic.
We were glad to assist when the district attorney referred the case to my office for investigation.
We are completely committed to protecting the security of the ballot box and the integrity of every legal vote.
This means ensuring accountability for anyone committing election crimes.
He's basically saying, well let me read.
In one of the investigations, which has been ongoing since 2022, the OAG's Criminal Investigation Division executed multiple search warrants on Tuesday in Atascasa, Baxar, and Frio Counties.
The investigation launched after the office received a referral from 81st Judicial District Attorney Audrey Lewis regarding allegations of election fraud and vote harvesting that occurred during the 2022 elections.
After gathering evidence, the office obtained search warrants to further the investigation.
No other details are available since the investigation is ongoing.
He also announced that there were groups trying to register people to vote outside of certain administrative buildings where you already were registered to vote inside, and that the only reason they'd be outside Is because people who got turned away would then go to these other groups to try and get registered again, which is to imply these people are not eligible to vote and they're getting made, they're getting their registrations filled out illicitly.
Texas?
Interesting.
The narrative we're receiving now is that the polls are tightening in Texas.
It was 9%.
Now it's 7%.
Now it's 5%.
michael malice
And Ted Cruz only has two points and a last point.
Right.
tim pool
And, hey man, I called this a long time ago, that with the Help America Vote Verification System showing Texas getting hundreds of thousands of registrations with no IDs, something was wrong.
And the hypothetical was, They'll start reporting that Texas is actually a purple state and it's getting close and it could flip.
That way, no matter what Trump wins, it's over.
If Texas flips, Trump cannot win.
If Trump wins every single swing state and loses Texas, he still loses.
michael malice
Here's the other thing.
Even though Texas is deep red and good old boys and all that other stuff, and I say this as a lifelong native Texan, we have a very bizarre state government where the Speaker of the House or the Senate Majority Leader is a Democrat, and they basically just pick whoever they want, even though they just completely just try to take out Ken Paxton.
tim pool
Correction.
If Trump wins every swing state and Texas flips, Republicans still win by two.
But they are predict like so if you would have to win every single swing state.
unidentified
Oh.
ian crossland
How many states is that?
tim pool
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
Let's just hit the map.
So it's one, two, three, four, five, six.
There are six states that are considered up for grabs right now.
Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada.
If Trump wins all of those and loses Texas, he still wins.
michael malice
Wait, hold on.
There's also those districts in Maine and Nebraska.
They're up there.
tim pool
Agreed.
I don't see that.
I mean, if Trump lost both of these.
Oh, you want to know what happens if both of these go?
michael malice
There's a way to do it or it's a tie.
tim pool
Yep.
Not that one.
There is a way to do it where it's a tie, we went over this, and I forget what it is.
I forget which states they have to win and Trump has to lose or whatever.
But yeah, it could end up 268 to 268 if, oh I know, if one of the, I think if Nebraska goes full red, and then Trump wins a certain amount of states, it ends up as a tie or something.
I think if Kamala wins PA, I don't know.
ian crossland
This is a great website, 270towin.com, that's what it's called?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know how to find the tie.
raymond g stanley-jr
Wasn't Missouri really big on the registrations and they're not coming through as rural registrations?
They really had high numbers when we went over them a couple weeks ago.
tim pool
Missouri had the large amount of dead people trying to register to vote.
michael malice
I mean, just in terms of next generation though, a lot of these illegal immigrants are going to have anchor babies.
And I know we're not supposed to use that term, but what are you supposed to do with that?
tim pool
But that's why Democrats do this.
michael malice
Of course, yeah.
I agree with you.
tim pool
They're thinking long term.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
But we are at a point...
This is what I was talking about yesterday.
We are not voting for a president.
We are voting for a system.
The Democrats right now have entrenched themselves in a system where there's no primary.
They choose who the candidate's going to be.
There is no campaign at all.
Kamala has no positions.
She's advocated for nothing.
Her website lists nothing.
She was installed.
Will you vote for that, yes or no?
Donald Trump is.
He's got Agenda 47.
There was a brutal primary where friends became enemies.
Do you want to vote for that system?
michael malice
But here's the other thing.
This isn't really new, because they did it basically in 08 with Hillary.
And they- remember Debbie Wasserman Schultz says, oh, we're having debates for maximum visibility.
It's like 12 o'clock on Mother's Day, like just these bizarre- You know what, 16?
unidentified
2016 or 08?
08.
ian crossland
2016, excuse me.
michael malice
But in 08, for people to remember, what you're saying, Tim, is not always a strength, it's also a weakness.
Because in 08, when Hillary was definitely going to be the candidate for the Democrats, and she had that ad about, like, I want to make America wonderful, and let's have a conversation.
It was completely innocuous.
And then someone, a fan, made an ad of the 1984 Apple commercial and had someone swing a sledgehammer and smash it into her face and the Obama logo came out and all of a sudden there was a race in her hands.
So this whole, like, I'm not going to have any policies on paper might be a smart move, but it does not really, at least it hasn't worked in the very recent past.
tim pool
But my point is simply, there are people screaming and cheering for a system.
That is, Kamala was chosen, no one voted for her, and she has no policies, and there are people like, I'm voting for that.
michael malice
But the thing is, that was the Biden campaign was, I'm not Trump.
Trump sucks.
And it worked!
raymond g stanley-jr
It's the same campaign today.
michael malice
It's the same campaign.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the third time they run like this.
unidentified
I disagree.
michael malice
I disagree that it worked.
tim pool
He's in the White House.
So Democrats didn't win the argument.
They won the procedure.
michael malice
I'm not arguing with that at all.
They did not win the argument.
tim pool
So Biden's campaign of I'm not Trump is not winning an argument.
They won procedurally.
michael malice
Correct.
tim pool
They had better lawyers.
They had a better ballot harvesting apparatus.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
And the Republicans had no idea what was going on.
Correct.
The Republicans were standing up there being like, if we argue the best, we'll win.
And boy howdy, did he argue the best.
The metrics were showing that economically Trump should win, albeit COVID kind of jammed things up.
And then ballot harvesting happens.
And that's the simplest way to explain it.
You also had things like voter in the park or whatever, things that were challenged constitutionally.
You had Pennsylvania violating its own constitution to create universal mail-in voting, which I don't think is answered properly in the courts.
Texas v. Pennsylvania was never answered properly.
Democrats, rules lawyered, they figured out the meta of the game and solved it, and the Republicans thought they were playing above board and they were going to win.
michael malice
That's an argument for the Democrats.
They know how to work the system better.
tim pool
Right.
So my point is, right now, The Democrats—I mean, fine, in 2020 and now, the Democrats' whole thing is, there is no election.
I mean, since 2016, without saying Bernie, the Democratic Party represents, sit down, shut up, and let us figure this out.
michael malice
But that's popular.
tim pool
That's my point!
So right now the election is not Trump v. Harris.
unidentified
I agree.
michael malice
We're on the same page.
tim pool
It is communist style of governance with the political party that chooses what you do versus constitutional republicanism where friends become enemies and we argue.
We have a primary and the popular candidate wins and then he lists his agenda and then we decide if we like what he has to offer.
michael malice
I kind of like the first one.
In the sense of I don't really want to hear from everybody.
Like, I think we heard from a lot of people during COVID, and the things they have to say are not things I'm interested in hearing, because they make no sense, even on their own face.
Like, why are we doing social distancing in March, and then we're not doing it when the next wave comes?
Was it a mistake then, or is it a mistake now?
tim pool
Right, but the first system is those people in charge.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
Not necessarily.
The argument for some of these people in the Republican Party is that we're going to become those people, which I don't think can be done, but that's their agenda.
tim pool
That's the idea behind Project 2025, ostensibly.
Yeah, the Democrat plan.
michael malice
That's the idea behind Project 2025, ostensibly.
tim pool
Is what?
michael malice
That like, we're going to get, because the whole idea behind Project 2025,
if I understand it correctly, not how it's been maligned, is,
Heritage is like, okay, Trump's biggest Achilles heel is he had to
drain the swamp by staffing the swamp, right?
So if we put forward a bunch of people who are ready on day one, like Betsy DeVos, who have like an ideology, and who could start reverse engineering this leviathan, we can actually get things done.
So that was their proposal.
Like, here are the policies, here are the people, let's get going immediately instead of calling up Reince Priebus or asking Mitt Romney to be possibly Secretary of State.
hannah claire brimelow
And then it's like six months into, you know, whatever.
michael malice
And then it's been demagogued in this thing like, oh, he wants to ban pornography.
And that's his whole agenda.
ian crossland
I think that is, we just said Paul Dan's on last night who created it.
tim pool
Oh, well, he was the director of it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
michael malice
But it's, but they, he's not some kind of wacko.
unidentified
It's all about organization.
tim pool
And he said they've written this every, for every administration for 50 years.
The Democrats are just pretending like it's something.
michael malice
Correct.
ian crossland
I'm trying to figure out when were superdelegates introduced.
Is it 1968?
It's been a long time.
That's the totalitarian... It's not totalitarian.
tim pool
No, it's incrementalism.
michael malice
Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
Superdelegates, where they can say, this is our candidate?
tim pool
Superdelegates aren't allowed to vote in the first round.
So if there's an overwhelming primary, superdelegates don't do anything.
But if the primary does not result in a clear winner, then they have a round of voting with no majority, then the superdelegates can come in.
And so they can stop.
you know, Obama if they wanted to, but they chose not to, but they did choose to stop Bernie Sanders.
So, yeah, it's political.
michael malice
But it also makes sense because they have skin in the game.
Like, if I'm Jon Tester, I'm not excited about having Kamala Harris at the top of my ticket.
tim pool
Republicans don't have this.
hannah claire brimelow
I think— And Tester never endorsed her, right?
michael malice
Is that true?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
michael malice
No way.
hannah claire brimelow
For Montana?
michael malice
He hasn't endorsed Kamala?
hannah claire brimelow
No, he hasn't endorsed Kamala, and he's in such a tight race in Montana because he's, I think, Montana's only Democrat, and he's vulnerable this year.
michael malice
He won't win.
I think the Senate's gone for Democrat.
Here's my prediction.
West Virginia's obviously given for the Republicans.
I think Tester's a goner.
And of the three between Michigan, Nevada, and there's a third one.
raymond g stanley-jr
PA's got one, Casey's up.
michael malice
One of those three is going to go Republican.
Ohio's the third one.
One of those three is going to go Republican.
tim pool
There's no way red state Democrat senator wins.
It's just not happening.
The polarization is too real.
hannah claire brimelow
I think so.
michael malice
I don't know.
Nevada could go Trump in the federal and Jackie Rosen could be reelected.
It's not inconceivable to me.
tim pool
Well, Nevada's a swing state.
Montana and West Virginia are megacountry.
I think Montana is Wyoming's the most.
michael malice
Yeah, Jussie Smollett just got lynched there last week.
unidentified
But the corporate press won't tell you about that!
michael malice
Because they're bought and paid for by the Rethuglican.
tim pool
Let's do this.
I want to jump to this shocking website, project2025.com.
michael malice
I got to tell you, Daily Wire got this.
I didn't think these guys had it in them.
Because this is such a beautiful hipster throwback.
It's like something out of Tim and Eric.
It looks like Geocity.
I'm impressed.
tim pool
Let's slow down.
Okay, so this is the Project 2025 website.
Daily Wire bought the URL from Heritage Foundation.
It's the only explanation, I suppose, because when we were reporting on the story, we went to Project2025.com and pulled up their website.
Now it redirects to this fake website where it says it looks...
This is just- it's a fake website promoting- look at this.
It's broken.
The counter is just going crazy.
It's a promotion for the movie Am I Racist.
Yeah.
michael malice
The counter.
tim pool
Going crazy?
hannah claire brimelow
Yesterday it was counting.
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
Oh, it's broken.
I thought this was just like a gif.
tim pool
And now, there you go.
ian crossland
The actual website's .org.
That's what Paul was saying yesterday.
tim pool
Oh, is it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, so they bought this and it was actually .org then.
ian crossland
Yeah, well that's the website he shouted out last night at the end of the show.
Project2025.org is their website.
tim pool
You're right!
That's what it is.
So they bought the dot-com.
hannah claire brimelow
But Democrat voters who were like, what is this Project 2025 thing?
michael malice
And by the way, if Christopher Cuomo wants to buy ChristopherCuomo.com, I'll take any offers.
tim pool
You have it.
michael malice
And JohnOBrennan.com.
tim pool
You've got ChristopherCuomo.com?
michael malice
And JohnOBrennan.com.
tim pool
Can we do something with it?
michael malice
What do you want to do?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Can we sell hot dogs online or something?
ian crossland
That sounds great.
unidentified
Hot dogs.
michael malice
I think we do better than hot dogs.
ian crossland
Let's sell these new proteins.
michael malice
Oh, how about SSRIs?
ian crossland
Did you see him on the floor of the DNC talking crap about all the seats up top, the million-dollar box seats?
He's like, these are the people looking down on you that are voting to take your country back.
They're sitting up there watching you from above right now.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm a man of the people, clearly.
ian crossland
It's a cool video.
tim pool
So, look, this website?
I guess when you click anything, it just links you to their Donate to the Cause.
Beautiful.
It links you to... I'm shocked that they had it in them.
michael malice
I'm shocked.
tim pool
I know.
I'm very impressed, especially with Amiracist.
michael malice
This mockumentary style... So is that really Matt on the floor of the DNC?
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice
I thought it was a joke.
hannah claire brimelow
Whoever is coming up with their guerrilla marketing campaign is a genius.
This is fun.
tim pool
And I got to say, this is some of the most effective activism.
And I'm surprised, like you said, The Daily Wire has it in them.
What Is A Woman was great.
This next degree, they're doing this, it's basically a sequel of sorts.
It's round two.
Am I Racist, where they actually got him with, was it Robin D'Angelo, is that her name?
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice
Holy crap!
tim pool
And she didn't know who he was!
And she leans over in the trailer and she's like, we gotta be careful.
You never know who these people are.
And he's like, yeah, yeah, of course.
ian crossland
Never be scared.
michael malice
He's actually- He also had Sara Rao, who's the greatest person.
unidentified
Yeah!
michael malice
I love her.
tim pool
And they got in these meetings.
This is...
This is the, like, the 2016 energy of the memes that were helping Trump.
Daily Wire's actually hit the nail on the head with this stuff, and this is the kind of edgy, funny comedy.
A lot of people have criticized Daily Wire because they did Mr. Bertram, I think it was, and Lady Baller, so it wasn't really funny.
They didn't do a good job of it.
But with all the stuff they've attempted, this one... What does a woman and am I racist have both already hit the nail on the head with a hammer?
ian crossland
They're funny guys.
I think if they weren't political, they'd be really famous.
It'd be a huge production company.
Because they're political, they've got a niche.
tim pool
I think they can get there.
This proves it.
Because this is a Borat level... It doesn't need to be political.
What's masterful about this is...
If I were going to strategize a political campaign to diminish... Actually, I'll give you an example.
YouTube brought me in 10 years ago.
I brought a bunch of YouTubers in to talk about the problem of ISIS extremism and recruitment on YouTube.
And they said what's happening in the UK is that ISIS is making these videos Where they're basically attacking the ideology of these young men who believe in Islam, and then lying to them to trick them into coming to join ISIS.
What do we do to counter it?
Because when we censor these videos, they're not actually... What YouTube said was they don't break the rules.
They just say, doesn't the Quran say this?
Then shouldn't you do something like this?
Wink wink.
They're like, how do we deal with that?
How do we counter it?
And you got a bunch of surface-level garbage where people are like, well, you know, what you should do is make a video where you explain, hey, that video is not real, or put a flag on the video.
My response was, why don't you make a show, Comedy Bits, with people who are not extremists, and make sure you're propping up people who don't espouse that ideology, so you're countering speech with more speech.
Then these young men who believe in this ideology and want to do good, go towards where they see success.
This is the point about, am I racist?
Instead of, what people criticized Lady Ballers for was that it was too on the nose, they were too preachy.
This is just insulting these people.
The whole thing is Matt Walsh going undercover to do the journey, do the work, and it's putting these people in the light of them being creepy, weirdo, crazy people.
When we had that, what was that garbage show that went viral?
New Norm.
Did you see the New Norm thing?
michael malice
No, what?
hannah claire brimelow
It was animated.
tim pool
You didn't see the New Norm, Dave Rubin's in it.
ian crossland
Oh, I did see that.
It was on X. They called it the South Park of X. And I saw one episode.
tim pool
It was pretty bad.
So there's no, it was a pilot short where, do I got to pull up the new Norm from Michael?
ian crossland
This is worth watching.
michael malice
Is it?
raymond g stanley-jr
Michael, he did do a denounce my whiteness online.
He sat down with some people and they figured out who he was and they called the cops on him.
And they were worried that they told the cops that they're going to break the window down because they were scared.
michael malice
That part I heard.
tim pool
So this is the show, The New Norm, with 34 million views.
Everyone hates it.
I'll just play a little bit of it.
unidentified
Oh.
What's that?
hannah claire brimelow
Progress, it's the new norm.
unidentified
The new norm ain't the same as the old.
raymond g stanley-jr
Alrighty.
michael malice
Are they...
unidentified
I'm the old norm. I'm the new norm.
I want normal beer.
Warning, warning, predator reached.
Ugh.
It's your fault I got house arrest.
You're the one who threatened the school board.
I gently suggested they stop brainwashing my daughter that girls aren't girls and men aren't men.
Sometimes they're neither.
tim pool
Okay, we don't need to watch anymore.
Michael gets it.
raymond g stanley-jr
Thank you.
ian crossland
He's falling asleep, look at his face.
michael malice
I'm not, I'm just livid.
There's two genders, right and wrong.
tim pool
The point I made about this is that the real way to do a show like that is to not have the wokeness be the crazy enemy.
It's not to just rehash news stories.
I said, make a normal family, a normal family sitcom, where their neighbor is woke and is the butt of jokes.
That's it.
The woke neighbor comes over.
They're friends with the woke neighbor.
And the woke neighbor says, you've gotta come help me!
The new movie theater opened, and they're playing a movie that's racist!
ian crossland
Like Mad Flanders.
tim pool
Exactly.
Exactly.
The neighbor is annoying, overly preachy, and is the butt of a joke.
A Karen.
ian crossland
Also, as an acting tip, don't emphasize the pronouns when you're talking.
It's your fault!
You say, it's your fault!
And you don't emphasize the pronoun.
tim pool
Ian took issue with the acting.
Thank you, Ian.
michael malice
I also, I get that they're parodying the Laugh Track shows, but it's still painful to hear a laugh track.
tim pool
That wasn't parodying the Laugh Track shows.
They're trying to make one.
Everybody roast- It's pretty literal.
ian crossland
Gotta see it, dude.
I mean, being meta?
tim pool
It's not meta.
They're literally making a sitcom show with a laugh track.
It's painfully bad.
michael malice
You know it's meta because they're making fun of Archie Bunker.
tim pool
They're not making fun of Archie Bunker.
michael malice
That's Archie Bunker, though.
tim pool
I understand that, but they were serious.
raymond g stanley-jr
Like, they put it out there because they want to promote it.
michael malice
I feel like that quote about how many levels are you on, man?
Like, I can't wrap my head around this at face value.
ian crossland
Maybe it's got 34 million views.
Maybe you're onto something.
tim pool
So, if you're correct on this, it's a leftist making fun of the right.
raymond g stanley-jr
With Dave Rubin.
tim pool
Yes, we're getting Dave Rubin to do it.
michael malice
Clearly the main character is supposed to be regarded facetiously to some extent.
He's not looked at as the voice of sanity.
He's Archie Bunker.
Archie Bunker was the punchline.
tim pool
Well, perhaps.
It's one big troll.
michael malice
I'm not saying it's a big troll, but I'm saying you don't look at that character and think he's the voice of reason.
You're encouraged to laugh at him.
tim pool
I agree with you that it's poorly made.
michael malice
You're telling me that character, the main character, the dad, is supposed to be presented as the voice of reason?
tim pool
If you're correct on this one, and you may be, then it's either someone who knows nothing of the culture war trying to pander to the right to make money, and this is what they think they want to watch, or it's a leftist insulting the right by making a very, very awful show and then mocking them for making an awful show.
michael malice
I think a lot of times people want to be like, And this only happens on the right.
I'm making fun of both sides.
Like, and the thing is, it's also ridiculous because when people say I'm making fun of both sides, like, I'll call you annoying and you call me a rapist.
It's like, it's not really the same.
tim pool
Larry L. I think, pretty sure Larry L. did it too, right?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, there's a lot of big names, so yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so I don't think, I think it's quite literally conservatives tried making a show and it's miserable.
ian crossland
Unless it's jujitsu, man.
I don't know, now I'm wondering.
michael malice
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
raymond g stanley-jr
You always make fun of the dads.
michael malice
If the show is called The New Norm, right, isn't the premise that this old-fashioned guy is trying his best to adapt to what's the new norm?
So the new norm is the norm.
And he's the fish out of water.
ian crossland
Except that the new Norman is ridiculous on the show.
raymond g stanley-jr
He's the pun of the jokes then.
michael malice
He's also the punchline.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, it didn't make a lot of sense.
He can't progress.
He's just stuck in his old Norm ways.
tim pool
So his friend shows up, I think it's Larry Elder who voices him, and then the woke guy goes, but you're black!
And he's like, oh, here we go.
And it's presented from this lens of the Norm, the normal guy, and his black friend, and he's wearing a Redskins shirt, are surprised at the woke.
And then the woke guy gets a phone call from Rachel Levine.
raymond g stanley-jr
Really?
Rachel Levine?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
And a guy in the military goes... It's like low-hanging fruit, good lord.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
That's why everyone's roasting it.
So, anyway, to get away from all that, the point is, doing these mockumentaries where it's Borat-style insulting to the woke and the left without preaching for what you actually think... You know who else does this perfectly?
Who does it?
michael malice
Alex Stein.
tim pool
Oh yeah, exactly.
michael malice
And I owe Alex a big apology, because I had him on my show not that long ago, and I'm like, dude, why'd you come so hard for Destiny?
And then, you know, the assassination happened.
raymond g stanley-jr
The assassination attempt?
Yeah, I was kind of...
ian crossland
Spun out over that when he approached Destiny on stage at that Minds event.
michael malice
Yeah, I was very upset.
Not very upset, I was like, dude, come on.
tim pool
What did he do?
michael malice
Like, Destiny was on stage, Alex just crashed the stage and started screaming at him, and he was asking all these questions, Destiny couldn't even respond, and I'm like, what are you doing?
ian crossland
But the argument then is if- Alex just explained it on my show.
Because if Alex hadn't done that, Steven might not have spun out.
tim pool
Real quick, Kamala Harris is going to be speaking at 10 Eastern then.
hannah claire brimelow
Hmm, interesting.
They were reporting 9 this morning.
tim pool
Right, but that's 9 central.
michael malice
They pushed her to 10?
hannah claire brimelow
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
Because NBC 5 Chicago says 9 p.m.
unidentified
hour.
We could keep the show going a little longer, but you know they're gonna start late.
raymond g stanley-jr
Destiny handled it kind of well.
He put his feet up.
He didn't really care what Alex was saying.
Destiny didn't care.
He put his feet up on the table, didn't really care.
michael malice
He did care.
raymond g stanley-jr
He played it off, I guess.
michael malice
Yeah, but what are you supposed to do?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, but I get mad and fight.
michael malice
It's also like, it's really effed up that you're on stage and someone crashes it and gives it a mic.
It's like, what am I supposed to do?
ian crossland
Yeah, and Owen pulled him off and stopped him.
tim pool
But, so I'm not familiar, he was basically, it was not a bit, he was actually just going after him?
ian crossland
He was, yeah.
michael malice
But in his Alex way, he had a smile on his face, he wasn't like, you know, good to hurt him.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
But it was still like, what are you doing here?
raymond g stanley-jr
It was very off, yeah, it was very off.
tim pool
Where was it at?
michael malice
The Mines event.
ian crossland
The Mines event in Austin at the Vulcan.
And Alex was like, your wife!
And Steve was like, oh my God, again?
Is this all you people?
And then he kind of lumped in this weird conservative people thing, and it's like, just reinforcing his stereotype of crazy people on the right, which is not good for his brain, and people on the left.
So like, I didn't personally, I don't know, man.
I'm not much of a social jammer.
I think honesty and kindness is the better path, but there is a place for Alex's style of comedy for sure.
michael malice
No, and Alex explained it on my show, and it made a lot of sense.
Cool.
tim pool
But I do think, Ian, you often take this approach where you consistently give the benefit of the doubt and try to empathize with evil people.
ian crossland
You think Destiny's evil?
unidentified
I'm not talking about Destiny.
tim pool
I mean, I think Destiny's a bad guy, for sure.
If we get into the depth of his being, maybe we come to the conclusion that he's evil.
We'd have to have a conversation about it.
But I just mean, Ian often says things like, pardon Hillary Clinton.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
But that's kind of like a utilitarian hostage negotiation type of thing.
Like, pardon everyone.
Get it over with and move forward.
michael malice
Are you insane?
ian crossland
No, no.
I want the lawfare to end, and I feel like if you can end it across the aisle all at once... Michael is governor's forget-mo.
michael malice
Yes.
ian crossland
Think about the Sith.
If you strike one down, another one just pops up somewhere else in the universe.
michael malice
So you gotta build another lamppost.
ian crossland
You gotta turn them to the light.
That's the way to defeat the Sith.
michael malice
You're gonna turn Hillary Clinton to the light?
ian crossland
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
A little bit of kumbaya goes a long way.
ian crossland
That's the way, man.
tim pool
So, anyway, to the point of Destiny.
In many of these circumstances, you have these... As I was explaining with the Krasensteins... I'm triggered.
I know, I know.
As I explained with the Krasensteins... I've taught you nothing.
You've got... These individuals know they're lying.
Destiny knows he's lying.
michael malice
About what?
tim pool
About most of his positions.
Like, uh, he tries baiting me.
So we were talking on the show about why someone asked me if I would have him on the show after he gloated over the death of Corey Comptor.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
And I said, no, because anybody who intentionally breaks the rules of these social media platforms by glorifying, gloating, or encouraging violence, harm, and death would just get us banned.
michael malice
I could not wrap my head around that.
tim pool
Destiny coming on the show would be an insta-ban for us.
So it's not a question of, I said, I don't need personal beef, it's just, if we brought him on the show so he could articulate his position on why he wanted to glorify the death of someone who was murdered by a psychopath, YouTube would just delete the episode!
raymond g stanley-jr
It's crazy.
tim pool
So then he starts making up lies, lying about me, lying about my positions.
What are you saying?
It's been a couple, a month or two, so I can't remember the specific things he posted, but one example I can give you is, He says, oh yeah, well Tim had Laura Loomer on.
And Laura Loomer called for the death penalty.
And I was like, and we pulled that show off the air instantly.
But he doesn't tell his audience that.
He says, why is Tim Poole having Laura Loomer, who says this?
And then he doesn't clarify that actually we told her not to say those things, don't glorify death, even in that circumstance, and we pulled the show.
Because we don't, we say no to that.
ian crossland
He might not have known that the show got pulled.
tim pool
Of course he does.
raymond g stanley-jr
And it doesn't matter to him anyway.
ian crossland
When he was doing that episode.
tim pool
He played the clip that literally showed the episode getting pulled down.
That was part of the commentary saying, why did Tim pull the episode?
He's lying.
These people are lying.
Don't spend your life on the internet reading all of the context and then going, oops, I made a mistake again.
Oops, I made a mistake again.
This is what I'm saying about David Pakman.
The example I always give is when he played a clip of Ted Cruz on Meet the Press and they asked Ted Cruz, do you really believe that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election to help Hillary Clinton win?
And Ted Cruz responds under the effect of, The New York Times reported it, and then you hear a producer start laughing, and then David Pakman starts laughing and says something to the effect of, like, wow, how stupid is he to believe this?
There's no way David Pakman sourced the Meet the Press clip.
In- and did not see Politico and the New York Times reporting it as fact.
He had to intentionally not read those stories.
So when I see him do something like that, I'm like, what?
Because I've known- I've known Pac-Man for like 12 years.
Or- or we're going on- yeah, I can't remember which one.
ian crossland
2008, I've been watching his stuff.
tim pool
I met him- met him during like the Occupy era, like, I don't know.
ian crossland
I remember when he had 700 subscribers on YouTube.
tim pool
It's not like I'm friends with him or anything.
I've known him for a long time.
We've talked periodically.
We've been at different events.
And so I'm like, there's no way when you Google search this Ukrainian thing and Politico pops up and it says, and I'm going to pull it up because I always do, Ukraine, Politico, Ukraine.
It's saved in this computer because of how often I pull this up.
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire.
January 11, 2017.
Donald Trump wasn't the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials from a former Soviet bloc.
This is Kenneth P. Vogel and David Stern who reported this.
This report was massive.
And Ted Cruz was like, I saw it on the news.
And then he runs a clip mocking Ted Cruz.
And I'm like, he's intentionally lying.
Anybody who reads the news for a living, saw this story, knew that Ukraine did this.
Paul Manafort went to prison over it!
It was huge news!
And he pretends like he doesn't know.
These people are lying.
Because that's why I show the graph of the Krasensteins.
And I gave him a 200 IQ because I'm nice.
When his IQ is either very high and he's completely dishonest or he's really stupid and genuinely believes what he's saying.
But I don't believe for a second that somebody who reads the news all day is just...
Like, it would be like, imagine someone stretched a Swiss, a sheet of 20 inch thick Swiss cheese over the Grand Canyon and they're covering their eyes and spinning across it and dancing and missing every single hole and falling to their death.
michael malice
Did you ever see when Jesse Lee Peterson, praise be unto him, had Pac-Man on his show and kicked him off?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No, he kicked him off.
michael malice
Why?
Cause he's like, uh, you're, you're not, you didn't come here to tell the truth.
You're a liar and you're one of the children of the lie.
Thank you.
Thank you for your time.
Goodbye.
Go find, find the clip.
It's hilarious.
Jesse Lee Peterson kicks off David Beckman.
hannah claire brimelow
What were they talking about at the time?
michael malice
He goes, is having a military pay for transgender surgeries progress?
And David was just kind of like, well, Jesse, you were for like less spending less money on healthcare and goes, okay, thank you.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, like you're like kind of dodging, giving a direct answer to the question.
tim pool
I can't find it in the immediate, I can only find the hour-long things.
ian crossland
The reason I go...
michael malice
Well, it'll be at the very end.
You could just...
I'm telling you, you'll see where he kicks them off.
It's not hard to find.
ian crossland
The reason I give these people benefits...
michael malice
It's really worth watching, I'm telling you, for the audience.
tim pool
It doesn't come up when I search for it.
michael malice
I'll find it.
ian crossland
I'll find it.
The reason I'll give people benefits of the doubt often is because I'm like, alright...
michael malice
It depends on the person, though, Ian.
ian crossland
Yeah, it does.
And the situation and the time.
Of course.
Because sometimes I will, sometimes I won't.
Secretly, I'll have feelings and beliefs that I don't necessarily espouse publicly, because I feel like, as Americans, we're kind of on the same team, whether we want to be or not.
michael malice
No, we're not.
ian crossland
I don't always like my teammates.
michael malice
That is so crazy.
ian crossland
But dude, there's a lot of people in the world that are really not on our team.
michael malice
And there are a lot of people in our country that really are on our team.
How can you not know this?
ian crossland
At least we can communicate with them through English.
unidentified
I have a question.
tim pool
Are you voting for Trump?
michael malice
I don't vote.
tim pool
You don't vote?
michael malice
You know I don't vote.
I'm an anarchist.
tim pool
What do you mean?
michael malice
Part of that's unclear.
I don't believe in voting.
I believe in representation.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
What do you think happens in November?
What do you want to happen?
What do you think's going to happen?
What should happen?
michael malice
I don't know about want, because I don't think politics respects—if politics represented my wants, there would be a lot more lampposts.
Let's put it that way.
What does that mean?
You'll figure it out.
We don't want to get demonetized.
I know Laura Loomer.
Point being, I think he has it in the bag.
tim pool
You think he's going to win?
michael malice
I think Trump has it in the bag.
And here's my reasoning, because I think it's very important, as far as possible, to get your emotions out of political analysis, right?
And for me, the best indicator of future behavior is past performance.
In 2020, she had her honeymoon period.
In her first debate, she came out, Biden, you're a racist.
That little girl was me.
Goes up in the polls.
Tulsi comes along.
That's not a thing!
Not only did she have not a response on the stage, Officer Harris, but then when Anderson
Cooper, hardly some kind of alt-right freak, is like, what happened to the debate?
She goes, well, I'm a top tier candidate.
So and it's like, what?
hannah claire brimelow
That's your answer?
michael malice
And then she collapsed and was down to 1% and she didn't even make it to Iowa.
Here's the other thing.
Let's suppose she is the perfect candidate and Trump is the worst candidate.
I wouldn't wish on anyone to put together a presidential campaign in 100 days.
That's not a thing.
That's a nightmare.
Oh, right.
tim pool
So I think he has in the bag.
So you prefer Trump to win?
michael malice
I'm going to dodge the question, but I'm going to say I'm going to kind of answer it.
I am – and I talked to Bret Weinstein on my show this week.
We discussed at length.
I am absolutely terrified of Tim Walz.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes.
unidentified
Why?
michael malice
I think she has – I'll tell you in a second.
I don't think she has much positions one way or another.
She was a conservative – she ran as like this law and order prosecutor in San Francisco, whatever, and now she's trying to avoid it.
As I said many times, and no one here disagrees, that what happened during the lockdowns gave a lot of very evil people some very useful information about what people put up with the government in terms of oppression.
And they're cashing it in in the UK right now.
And if Tim Walz had his druthers, we would have that UK system in America today.
ian crossland
Has he done stuff in his state?
michael malice
He said explicitly that hate speech is not free speech.
So I'm extremely... and I also think he's a sociopath.
tim pool
His wife said she opened the windows to smell the burning tires during the riots because it was like a symbol of the times, like history.
Not a virtue signal.
It's her who liked it.
Celebrating the rampage and the destruction because it suits her ideology.
hannah claire brimelow
From the governor's mansion.
That's the weird, gross part about it.
She's like, oh, yes, everything's destroyed, but I'm actually in safety.
Like, she's not a business owner in the middle of Minneapolis that's having to, you know, later deal with the consequences of having her life ruined.
michael malice
I'm going to text you the link, Tim, OK?
hannah claire brimelow
I think you're right.
unidentified
Putting together— Well, send it on X.
michael malice
OK.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you're right, Michael.
Having to put together a campaign in less than 100 days or about 100 days is crazy.
And if you see that in the fact that Waltz keeps getting caught in these, like, false stories, right?
The stolen valor thing, this like, oh, yes, I have my children because of IVF.
But actually, it turns out they didn't use IVF at all.
And you also see the fact that they're trying to make Kamala Harris cool by relying on pop singers, which I find fascinating.
michael malice
What else do you want them to do?
hannah claire brimelow
This is the thing, they need to make it seem like she's already trendy and that's why they're tapping into Bratz Summer or the Waltz Harris camo hat.
I saw that Chapel Rowan was like, is this real?
Because it's a rip-off of her merch.
michael malice
They're trying to make it seem inevitable.
Like it's a fait accompli.
And also, they know that every time she opens her mouth, disaster ensues.
hannah claire brimelow
Which is why she still has not done a major press conference interview.
Do you blame her?
I mean, it's a strategy for her, but like, we are hearing from her from the stage, which is basically to say at a distance.
They're not letting a journalist, even though journalists are sympathetic to her, get closer.
michael malice
They tried this with Hillary before and it didn't work for them either.
ian crossland
This is why I call you Gandalf.
michael malice
You can fast forward to when he kicks him off.
ian crossland
Because you won't get into the political.
You're like, I'm an anarchist.
I can't touch the One Ring.
I can't.
I can only observe, but I can witness and explain it all.
michael malice
I don't agree with that.
Let me see the other's point of view.
I think, and I don't think you guys here would disagree.
I think the MAGA people disagree.
I don't think if Trump becomes president, everything's going to be all roses.
ian crossland
Sure, I agree.
michael malice
I think the backlash is going to be insane.
I think they're already normalizing violence against political figures and against citizens.
So I think people who think he's going to come in and they're going to sit on their hands.
We're up against some very, very malevolent people who've been at this game for a long time and would have nothing to lose.
And it's very scary.
I'm heartened one thing though.
I'm giddy at the idea that RFK, who I do think is a sociopath, would be in charge of the CIA.
That I would be giddy about.
tim pool
I am not a revolutionary.
I am a reformer.
And I don't understand the worldview of, Tim Waltz is communist China level psychotic, but I won't be involved in any way.
I don't understand that.
michael malice
You don't think I'm involved?
tim pool
Well, I think you're involved, but it's like the voting.
michael malice
I don't think the voting is a good... I don't think my vote's going to matter.
And why not just do it?
tim pool
Vote for Trump.
michael malice
Because I don't think it's a good use of my time and I don't believe Trump represents me.
Trump does not speak for me.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think he represents me very well.
michael malice
Voting means he is representing you, quite literally.
tim pool
Sure.
michael malice
So I don't think Trump represents me.
He does not.
tim pool
I look at it more of as a mathematical equation, though.
So by all means, you know, don't vote.
I don't know.
But my view is I don't like the Republicans.
I think I've said it quite a bit, especially over the past eight years.
Trump is of a certain character that I understand why people don't like like the character that he brings to the White House.
They wanted the suit wearing noble commander in chief.
That being said, No new wars.
Timeline for withdrawal.
I see a net positive presidency in Trump.
I mean, he's a funny guy.
And so the simple net positive, the math there is, I'll vote for him.
michael malice
I would rather have, I don't want the guy in the suit, the nice guy in the suit, because that guy, nice guy in a suit, can pull off convincing moms that it's a good idea to kill their sons.
Because he's respectable, he's on a pedestal, whereas if you have a president who's regarded as more of a buffoon, as both in their ways Trump and Biden were, it's a lot harder to sell World War III.
raymond g stanley-jr
Is that what you mean by wearing a suit?
You can tell to the mothers that they can go to war?
michael malice
I think when you have an air of dignity and heft and seriousness, and you're like, we need to go to war, a lot of people be like, we're raised, like, okay, this is our time.
I have to be a patriot and I have to kill my kids.
tim pool
You're in Texas.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And, you know, as you mentioned, Ted Cruz only won by a couple points.
So isn't it, if it doesn't matter one way or the other, I didn't say it doesn't matter one way or another.
michael malice
I don't think it's a good use of my time, and I don't believe in it.
The same reason I go to church.
I think church is a good thing.
I think it's a very good thing when people find God or Christ and accept morality into their lives, but I don't believe in it.
tim pool
So, is that to say you don't think it would have any impact whatsoever?
michael malice
It's both.
I don't believe in it and I'm opposed to it, and also there's no way my vote's going to be of any significance.
tim pool
I can certainly agree with you if you think it's not going to matter anyway.
If we make the argument Texas is not at risk at all, what does it matter, fine, whatever.
But I certainly think there's significance and there's an important function to it.
michael malice
What's an important function?
tim pool
Devoting?
michael malice
There's so many better things I could do with my time to make the world a better place.
raymond g stanley-jr
Five minutes?
tim pool
Yeah, you're talking about a couple minutes.
ian crossland
Sometimes applying pressure in one place actually creates more resistance than if you didn't apply any pressure at all.
So like certain people might be better off not getting involved because of the way they're able to influence society outside of that paradigm, and you might be one of those people.
I mean, you're almost like a brilliant social scientist.
If you get too political, then the people that you talk to across the aisle might not want to be as involved.
michael malice
Let me say one thing.
Here's how I influence politics.
I donated money to two candidates, and that to me is more important and more efficacious than voting.
I donated to Biden the primary because I wanted him to be the nominee, and boy, did I have a return on that investment.
And I also donated to John Fetterman.
I know how to pick winners.
tim pool
Let me ask you.
Do you think Dave Smith will vote for Donald Trump?
michael malice
No.
tim pool
Do you think Joe Rogan will vote for Donald Trump?
michael malice
I don't know if Joe votes.
But I think if RFK drops out, I think after what the COVID regime did to Joe, I think he would prefer... I can't speak for him.
tim pool
Well, he did say twice he would vote for Trump over Biden.
michael malice
Oh, that's the answer.
OK.
tim pool
He then said recently that RFK Jr.
makes the most sense.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
But it's not an endorsement.
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
If RFK tomorrow, as we expect him to, drops out and endorses Trump, I think just listening to what Joe talks about, he's a smart guy.
He often- He said explicitly.
michael malice
He said explicitly.
There's your answer.
tim pool
Well, that doesn't mean he's voting.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
He might just abstain.
michael malice
Correct.
tim pool
I think the reason he doesn't publicly state in his show that he's going to be voting for Trump is because he doesn't want to create the political tension for his show.
michael malice
I also doubt he votes.
He does much more useful things toward moving the needle than- I completely agree.
tim pool
Still, we have- That's why I've been screaming about these Trump supporters who have attacked him as often as- You and I were on the same team with that.
unidentified
With Cat Turd, it's like, guys- And Trump himself?
tim pool
He posts on Truth that he's going to get booed the next time he goes to UFC.
I'm like, dude, this guy is pushing voters in the wrong direction.
michael malice
What's even funnier is like Monday, Joe says, you know, RFK makes a lot of sense.
Tuesday, Trump's like, F you Joe, they're going to boo you at the UFC.
Friday, I'm going to have RFC run the CIA.
He's going to say that tomorrow.
It's just like ridiculous.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think it's CIA for sure?
michael malice
Well, Junior put it out there.
I think that's what RFK would want.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
And I can't think of anyone better.
hannah claire brimelow
I think he should be in Health and Human Services.
michael malice
What's that?
hannah claire brimelow
I think RFK should run Health and Human Services.
michael malice
Okay, I think you're thinking too short term.
Because yes, he'd be better in that, maybe in terms of helping people.
But in terms of deconstructing the nightmare, you want him to open all the file cabinets.
tim pool
I agree with Anna Claire, because that's sort of the one plus one equals two.
Like, here's his passions, here's what he does.
michael malice
That's not always true.
Did you watch Rogan?
tim pool
I think there are a lot of people who would want to go through a filing cabinet, so hopefully there's a good bench of selections there.
michael malice
That's how we talk about it.
tim pool
R.F.K. Jr. is very clearly passionate about environmental toxins and chronic illnesses,
and so his passions fit here.
However, the poetic justice is head of the CIA.
hannah claire brimelow
I think there are a lot of people who would want to go through the filing cabinet, so
hopefully there's a good bench of selections there.
michael malice
I really, really hope, even though we've—I can't even talk about this.
Never mind.
I'm going to abort this right now.
We'll talk about it on the after show.
tim pool
Honestly, we have to make a choice on the after show or watching Kamala speak.
I got a better idea.
I figured it out.
We're going to watch Kamala speak on the after show so we can say naughty things.
michael malice
Yes.
ian crossland
Oh, that's a great idea.
michael malice
Can you fast forward to when he kicks Pac-Man off?
It's really a good moment.
tim pool
Alright, so, okay, so we have this clip of Jesse Lee Peterson and David Pakman.
Is it here?
michael malice
No, you'll be able to see it.
You can see very clearly where the... just fast forward it.
You could skip it.
jesse lee peterson
I love these clips.
tim pool
I want to give it a little bit of context.
ian crossland
I want to go on Jesse's show.
tim pool
Here we go.
jesse lee peterson
You are a progressive.
What does it mean to be a progressive?
What is that?
david pakman
It's for progress and against stagnation and a return to values that are outdated and irrelevant in modern society.
jesse lee peterson
And what type of progress?
Give me an example of progress.
david pakman
The reduction in incredibly damaging economic inequality, the push for a basic level of health care for everybody regardless of ability to pay, a push for an economy that is not going to allow the richest to become endlessly richer while the poor continue to be poor.
I mean there's a long list.
I mean I think You know, the problem is that there's a lot... I'm not a Democrat, by the way.
I've never been a Democrat, so if the idea is to get me to... No, you are a progressive, so I'm asking about that.
So let me ask, uh, to... Well, I didn't even finish answering the question.
How long do we have?
Because this is a very weird interview.
We didn't even... I was trying to get you to tell me exactly what Trump had done to achieve those so-called achievements, and you moved on to the Democratic Party.
It's a very strange interview.
I've never experienced anything like it.
jesse lee peterson
Well, that's the first time in life for everything.
So-called sex reassignment surgery, and our tax dollars are paying for it, even though we don't agree with that at all.
We being who?
The conservative Christian people of this country.
unidentified
Well, that's just a fraction of the population, right?
jesse lee peterson
Is that progress?
When men are confused about their gender and women are confused about theirs and now we're paying for it, is that progress?
david pakman
Are you a fiscal conservative, Jesse?
jesse lee peterson
Answer that question, David.
Is that progress?
david pakman
Well, are you a fiscal conservative?
jesse lee peterson
David, answer that question.
Are you—is that progress?
david pakman
It's not an example of something that is or isn't progress, but the reason I'm asking whether you're a fiscal conservative is it's cheaper to pay for those procedures than to find and discharge every transgender member of the military.
So if you're a fiscal conservative, and I've heard you say that you are, you should favor the cheaper option, which is paying for those procedures.
And not paying for what it would cost to find and discharge all those transgender members.
jesse lee peterson
David, you're not here to communicate.
I really appreciate you coming on.
I'm gonna let you go.
It's a waste of time to talk to you.
You're not communicating.
You're acting like an idiot.
david pakman
No, because you're asking bizarre questions.
jesse lee peterson
You're acting like an idiot and you're wasting my time.
I appreciate you coming.
Alright, thank you for coming.
Bye.
michael malice
Hold on, leave it on.
jesse lee peterson
Let him go.
That's a progressive vote.
All men who are progressive or males who are progressive are weak people.
They are weak people.
And why have these people on?
It doesn't even make sense.
They don't come to communicate because they are too insecure.
And David Pakman is a very insecure progressive.
Real men are not progressive.
unidentified
I love Jesse.
michael malice
You haven't had him on, have you?
ian crossland
Oh, he'd be so good.
He's so funny.
tim pool
I think he's asked me to go on his show, but I rarely go on anyone's.
michael malice
Why wouldn't you want him on your show?
tim pool
I didn't say that.
I didn't say I wouldn't want him on my show.
He's unpredictable.
ian crossland
That's one of the things for a late night, like, stick by.
But he's on YouTube, so he obviously knows the rules of the game.
michael malice
He's very predictable.
You never see him break.
tim pool
So what David Beckman did there is sophistry.
It's plain and simple.
Ask a question about, is this progress?
And then he deflects to, fiscal conservatives should support this because it saves money.
That's... what?
It's a weird argument.
Throwing a body into the ocean saves money on funeral costs.
We're not for that.
We want proper just waste disposal.
What are we talking about?
ian crossland
Progress is you can pro- That means move forward.
You can progress off the edge of a cliff.
You can progress into a fire and burn to death.
You don't always want to move forward for the sake of moving.
Sometimes you want to regress and go backwards.
Because backwards is where it's safer.
Or turn around and progress in a different direction.
That's the whole thing with progression for the sake of it.
tim pool
What does it mean to turn?
Is it transgress?
michael malice
Yeah, I guess.
ian crossland
To move sideways, yeah.
tim pool
Sometimes we want to sidestep whatever's in front of us, because it might be like, maybe it's a pit trip.
ian crossland
Exactly.
You don't want to progress into a trap.
So that's the problem with people that claim, I am a progressive and I will always move us forward.
If you're moving forward into the wrong thing, you're doing the wrong thing.
Get out of that mindset.
tim pool
So this is the main issue for us, especially, is there's a small handful of people that are willing to come on the show and they're all the grifters.
I'm not talking about you.
unidentified
Why did you look in my direction?
tim pool
I'm talking to you.
raymond g stanley-jr
You're the guest.
ian crossland
You've got a mullet, man, and it looks gorgeous for me.
tim pool
Anarchists, libertarians, and conservatives, easy to book.
They will come on and they will say, yes, no, maybe, I don't know, let's argue.
Liberals are like, uh-oh, if I actually come on and they pull up sources, I'm screwed.
The best example, and I will always give him the credit, shout out to Hunter Avalon, who came on this show, and we were talking, and I said, Joe Biden said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting a billion dollars.
And he smugly goes, that never happened.
And I said, yes, it did.
Here's the video.
And I played it.
And he was just like, like, he had he had no idea.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
Most of these people like like Pacman.
And even probably now Kalinske, who's like taking a turn.
I don't know what his deal is.
These liberal guys are just like, if I go on the show, I know what happens.
They're going to pull up the sources and then what do I say?
michael malice
I don't think that's it at all, Tim.
I don't think they think, some of them, but I think for some of them it's also like, It's like me going to a mosque.
It's like, this isn't my house.
Like, I don't belong there.
And I think, you remember how during 2020, when Marianne Williamson was supposed to go on Rubin Report, and he's hardly a hardball.
He's not.
He's a softball.
That's his thing.
I do that same thing.
I want my guests to feel comfortable.
And she bowed out.
tim pool
You see what happened when she came on this show?
michael malice
What?
Was there more drama?
tim pool
She nearly cried when we showed her the whiteness contract from that children's book.
And I got her to inadvertently argue that Derek Chauvin should have never been convicted and should be released from prison.
And then she immediately backtracked and said, no, this is why they don't come on the show.
Mary Williamson comes on and she says Republicans want to ban books.
And I go, what, this one?
And it's the white-handed devil saying the whiteness contract will kill your friends.
And she was welling up in tears, covering her face, shocked, saying, what is this?
She had no idea.
Then I showed her the graphic book.
Oh, she doesn't want to look at it.
She can't look at the books they're giving kids because they're shocking and offensive.
And then I asked her, If a person couldn't get a fair trial, should they go to prison?
She says, no, of course not.
So I said, if there was a person who was accused of murder and he's in a state, but the judge said there is no way you'll receive a trial in this state without someone knowing and being biased, should this person be put in trial?
She goes, no, of course not.
And I went, like Derek Chauvin.
And she went, oh my God.
And then after the show was over, she was like, this is why I can't come on shows like this.
Something to that effect.
She goes, because you ask these questions and the TVs don't do this.
michael malice
But the thing is, those aren't even gotcha questions.
raymond g stanley-jr
No, it's real conversation.
michael malice
I think with those books, that to me is the most egregious evil gaslighting.
Because we met five years ago, and I'm like, you know, I know you kind of are conservative in your morals, but five years from now, they're going to be showing pornography to kids and then telling you it's not happening.
It's like, why would they do that?
It's so disprovable.
And here we are.
tim pool
They said this.
michael malice
In 2000— I mean, the gaslighting is incessant.
tim pool
In 2008, the argument against gay marriage was— I think it was 2008 when they were doing, was it Proposition 8 or whatever in California?
The argument was, it will lead to schools teaching children about gay sex.
And the left was like, oh shut up!
And I remember all my friends being like, dude, we're talking about two people just having a private life.
They're not going to be in your schools.
But the conservatives were correct.
They weren't arguing that arbitrarily they'd just start saying we're going to bring, you know, gay sex into schools.
They were saying if you have two adult men who are married and he's a teacher...
The children are going to be exposed to this, and they're going to have questions about why his husband is showing up, and who is that, because teachers' spouses may show up and pick them up for a ride or something.
And it will result in the school making the argument.
Literally where we are now is that Democrats are making the argument that they have to teach children about gay sex, and I'm not even talking about, like, love.
I'm—literally, these books.
One of the books, it's called, um...
What's the, uh... We don't have them in here because we moved studios.
The one that explains SCAT to children.
Yes, it explains it to children.
michael malice
Can I say one sentence?
tim pool
It's in the school libraries, in the curriculum.
michael malice
Can I say one sentence?
Because I know there's one where they were talking about oral.
There was one clip, I bring this up all the time, when there's a Canadian reporter and he went back to North Korea.
And in North Korea, when you talk to the guys, there's always two because they watch each other.
And they're at the Oster Trench.
There's an Oster Trench outside Pyongyang.
And the reporter goes to the... His guide is like an older man in his 50s, I'd say, roughly.
And he goes, last time I was here, I asked you about gays and lesbians.
And he goes, yeah, you guys said we don't have that here.
And he goes, what about bisexuals?
And this old North Korean just goes, what?
So I was already at the point where like, okay, they're just showing oral.
And now you're like, I thought I caught up.
tim pool
So... My God!
unidentified
What?
tim pool
The argument is children need to learn about this because the teachers are gay.
And so they're a part of society and kids are going to see it.
And the conservatives are completely correct about what this was going to lead to.
In the book it's got a glossary of terms and one of them explains that some people for gratification will eat human
waste.
And it doesn't say don't do this. It doesn't say this is dangerous.
There's no reason a child should be learning these things.
But this book is – what was the name of that book?
raymond g stanley-jr
Kind of look it up.
ian crossland
Is that the one about the girl who...
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
That one's about the genderqueer book.
ian crossland
Yeah, genderqueer.
tim pool
That's the one where she talks about how she was severely abused by her parents and made to defecate outside, and then they made her wear a used pad over and over again, and she smelled so bad that the counselors brought her in and scolded her for not taking care of her hygiene.
And she, and this is clearly not in the book, but anybody who reads it,
who has any kind of logic understands this poor young woman in this book, Genderqueer,
was made to do her business outside by her parents.
When she went to school and was going through puberty, they gave her used dirty old pads.
She draws pictures of them.
She writes in the book how she smelled so bad, the counselor brought her in and scolded her and said,
you need to do something about this.
And she was embarrassed.
Clearly what happens then is when she's hairy, she's unshaven and the other girls are like,
you're gross and you smell bad.
She says, I wish I could be a boy.
Because the boys don't get insulted by the other girls for being stinky and hairy.
So she internalizes this abuse from her parents that didn't properly teach her how to function in society, and then says, if only I was a boy, then I could escape from this.
And then she seeks out to get a sex change.
And this is what they're giving to kids to explain why these people believe these things and feel this way without actually telling the children, if your parents are making you wear three-day-old crusted pads and you smell bad, you are being abused and you need help.
But that's the book they're giving to kids.
michael malice
Ian, how are you going to sit down and give these people the benefit of the doubt?
ian crossland
I'll tell you exactly what I'm thinking about.
I think when people self-identify, when they put themselves in a mental cage by saying, I am a progressive, I am an anarchist, I am a Democrat, I am a Republican, that they've basically, they're living in a sort of mental fear where they're like protecting themselves with this idea of what they think they are.
And so these people are vulnerable because that's why they're identifying themselves as a protective field.
So if they feel like you're not on their side, they're going to have a fear of you.
tim pool
You think Michael is claiming to be an anarchist because he's afraid?
ian crossland
I think it protects him from having to explain why he's not voting.
For instance, exactly.
If you're truly an anarchist, you wouldn't label yourself at all.
There would be no rules.
Anarchism means private rules.
michael malice
It doesn't mean chaos.
tim pool
But literally means without authority.
michael malice
Yes.
ian crossland
Yeah, you wouldn't need to label yourself as a truly anarchist.
michael malice
Anarchists play Monopoly, and you get the same amount of money at the beginning, and so on and so forth.
I play chess.
ian crossland
I identify with that.
I identify with your way of thinking quite a bit.
unidentified
But I think that labeling yourself... I don't know what you think my way of thinking is, though.
ian crossland
That authorities can become very dangerous very quickly.
michael malice
Authorities are illegitimate.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, there's the authority in this room, and because of it, we have a legitimate... I can leave this room whenever I want.
Yeah, but we have a cool show going on because we have legitimate authority.
tim pool
So I had this conversation with the Occupy people over and over again, because they made the same argument.
We're anarchists, authority is illegitimate.
I say, no, a cop telling you that's a frozen zone is illegitimate, because that's what they were doing in New York.
michael malice
What do you mean by frozen zone?
tim pool
The police made this term up where they said, we have frozen this street.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
That means you can't walk there anymore.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
And we're like, shut up.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's nothing.
michael malice
I've never even heard that.
tim pool
Let me ask you this.
If you were standing on the sidewalk by yourself, and an old man walked by, and then grasped his chest and fell down, and a doctor ran up and said, this man's going to die.
You, sir, come over here and start doing compressions.
Would you say no?
michael malice
I would do it.
tim pool
You would do it?
That's real authority.
michael malice
It's not authority in the sense that if I don't do it, I'm not going to have consequences legally.
tim pool
That's not what authority is.
michael malice
Okay, we're going to be talking past each other.
I'm going to save us a lot of time.
I do what my doctor tells me.
I do what my lawyer tells me.
I do what my accountant tells me.
Those are instances where I defer to others' authorities.
What I'm saying is authority that's not chosen, that's imposed, whether by fiat, democratic vote, or aristocracy is not legitimate.
tim pool
And this is the point I'm making.
So when you say authority is illegitimate, we need to clarify and let people understand.
We, every day in our lives, recognize the true authority.
A person that we reasonably believe to be a doctor, and we make a guess in this, a guy's wearing a lab coat with a stethoscope and he's in scrubs, he might not be!
He could be a burglar, or a robber, trying to steal the guy's wallet from him.
But no, he's probably a doctor.
And when he says, this man's going to die unless you do this now, we say, yes sir.
michael malice
If he wasn't on a stethoscope, if someone, if I will...
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Yeah, like a friend.
Sometimes a friend can be your author.
They can just give you some advice and you're like, thank you.
And they thank you for helping the author.
michael malice
In all these situations, there's the freedom of exit.
tim pool
Authority is do you follow orders?
ian crossland
Does this person have some authorship in my perception of reality?
Are they helping me write my reality?
tim pool
No, it's do you follow their lead?
ian crossland
Exactly.
So let me finish your question.
The people that are in this realm of self-identifying as I am a this, which a lot of these people in our work are because of the politics, they have a sort of reticence to engage.
They're afraid of identifying with the other.
So I feel like If you don't identify, it's much easier to to get along with people like that.
Also, if like, the reason why people that would consider themselves conservatives are more willing to identify with other people that consider themselves conservatives is because they're not afraid.
They're less afraid of the of what they're familiar with.
So I try and dispense with With self-identification and cults and groups, I never liked being in the in-group.
unidentified
I always wanted to- Don't worry about that, Ian.
michael malice
That's not a concern.
ian crossland
With YouTube videos, it's very easy to become a cult leader.
Look, Ian doesn't like labels.
hannah claire brimelow
You can't make him label himself.
He's not going to commit to anything.
tim pool
I don't know.
He likes Moon Lord.
ian crossland
Words or labels?
We're using labels right now to communicate with the English language.
I understand the value of labels and that you need them sometimes, but when it's coming to, like, the survival of our species, I feel like sometimes you gotta step back from that stuff.
And, like, hitting Pac-Man on being progressive, like, that's gonna push him away.
unidentified
Good.
michael malice
What?
ian crossland
If you just be like, well, you're a progressive.
He said he's a progressive.
Yeah, if you were to go at someone because of their identification, it'll push them away.
hannah claire brimelow
But if you wanted to learn about progressive things, wouldn't you want someone who identifies as progressive to explain it to you?
tim pool
And all Jesse did was say, you're a progressive.
And so David says, I'm a progressive.
He goes, OK, so you're a progressive.
What does that mean?
michael malice
David said, I'm not a Democrat, Jesse.
I'm a progressive volunteer.
tim pool
And then he said, what does that mean?
What does it mean to be a progressive?
And then David gave him an answer.
Well, kind of.
ian crossland
He kind of baffled.
He was like, aren't you a fiscal conservative?
tim pool
Yeah, David refused to answer a very simple question because he was on edge.
So this is an important point in the culture war, in the political war.
Conservatives, and many libertarians, make the mistake of thinking life is principles.
That their worldview is principles, that law is principles.
They're completely wrong.
It's morals built upon their worldview.
And principles are not material, for the most part, to these people.
To anybody.
And so what happens is, the people on the right say, I'm for free speech.
And then the left says, oh yeah, then let me show this book to children that has these images in it.
The right then says, that's not what we're talking about.
Well, hold on.
You're setting a moral limit on where you think some things should not or shouldn't be shared.
So there's free speech absolutism.
And then there's no, no, no, no, no, no.
What I mean by free speech is expressing your political opinion safely without fear of consequence, not showing children graphic content.
The left exploits the concept of principles because a lot of conservatives don't understand the point of moral lines.
So, the example that I always use is, my body, my choice.
The left says, my body, my choice.
You can't force me to do this.
Unless it's vaccines.
The argument is, should government intervene in medical care has different moral lines.
You can argue that, I am of the belief, my principles are, people make their choices over their own medical care and the government shouldn't intervene.
Okay, so if a doctor then prescribes to a parent that their child get a sex change, the government shouldn't intervene.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, no.
Conservatives then say, absolutely the government should stop that.
Liberals have the inverse worldview.
If a child is transgender and the doctor is refusing, should the government intervene, or the parents are refusing the doctor's orders, should the government intervene to give the child the sex change?
Liberals say yes.
There's no principle that fits this.
It's not just a simple logic of one plus one equals two.
It's what is your moral worldview and what do you accept or not accept?
ian crossland
Yeah, and I want to blend these people's worldviews, people that you disagree with.
That's where I'm at with like turning someone from the dark to the light, is rather than self-identify as the other from them, I want to kind of become one with their consciousness and then take them with me on a ride of belief, like change their understanding, because I do think I have good morals.
tim pool
Okay, there's only one way to actually change people, and it's not sitting down having a conversation and thinking you're being nice to them.
michael malice
It's what Mouse said.
raymond g stanley-jr
You have like 15 years to do it?
tim pool
It's not even that.
The means by which people's worldviews change is through isolating them and surrounding them by people of a particular worldview.
michael malice
Or some traumatic incident.
tim pool
Traumatic incidents.
If you want to make someone pro-2A, when they find themselves in the middle of the woods being attacked by bears, they might all of a sudden wish they had a gun on them, and then they're like, but guns are banned in this country.
michael malice
There's actually a line about a conservative who's a liberal who's been mugged, and a liberal who's a conservative who's been arrested.
ian crossland
Chloe Cole just interviewed this detransitioner who said she was in Israel during the war, during the attacks, and it was in that moment of the bombings that she realized, if I'd gotten the surgery, I wouldn't be able to get up and run to safety right now.
What am I doing with my life?
And detransitioned after that.
tim pool
Well, so anyway, if you want to change someone's mind, Meeting them and entertaining their fallacies is them attempting to change your mind.
Two people meeting, you're not going to change their worldview.
There's a reason why they won't come on the show.
Conservatives have no problem because they are firm in their worldviews.
michael malice
There's another thing, though.
Conservatives have to be aware of liberal arguments because the corporate press is so overwhelmingly left.
You can very easily live in a world where you're never hearing right-of-center arguments.
tim pool
Yes.
Conservatives, this is the tendency.
ian crossland
It's kind of like a shock of cold water to a lot of people to hear the truth, to hear the information.
michael malice
And there's so much stigma about right-of-center views.
As soon as you say, oh, you're a Nazi.
I don't want to hear anything.
You're a Nazi?
Fine.
hannah claire brimelow
You get ridden off entirely.
tim pool
Michael, did you see the tweet from, I think it's Katherine Brodsky, where she says, she posted Elon saying, you know, Twitter needs to be neutral.
And she says, I had a dream that we have this utopia, but I was wrong.
Like, I wish this is what Twitter was going to be.
The issue is, for a lot of these liberals, they assumed that this country is balanced between left and right, and that if you remove the censorship on X, you would have the left and the right equally arguing.
What did we discover?
The left and right is completely imbalanced.
This country is conservative.
It's right-leaning in various ways.
It's libertarian to conservative with very little liberal.
When liberals are exposed to the truth, they go, oh, okay, and that's it.
So why am I voting for Donald Trump?
It's not because I'm a conservative.
I'm certainly not.
I hold traditionally liberal American Democrat views from the 90s and 2000s, and the Democratic Party has gone completely psychotic.
So I'm now either a post-liberal, disaffected liberal, but I'm certainly not a conservative, and conservatives can identify that.
But when I read the news and I know what's true, I can say, yeah, Joe Biden offered a quid pro quo.
Fire the prosecutor, you're not getting a billion dollars.
He had no authority to do it.
His son was on the board of this company.
The prosecutor was investigating that company.
It was putting his son at risk and his son asked the State Department for help.
That's true.
But if you go to the average member, if you go to the DNC right now and ask, they're going to say you're lying.
That's not true.
They have to be kept away from the truth to maintain that voting power.
michael malice
And we also agree that you would much all of us would much.
I know people don't like having two negative choices.
Why don't you give me a good third choice?
Okay, two negative choices.
Wouldn't you rather have someone who's just a crook that you disagree with like Joe Biden
than someone who's an ideologue like Tim Walz?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
michael malice
Okay.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes, 100%.
tim pool
We do gotta go to Super Chats though, so smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with all your friends if you do like it.
The first Super Chat I'm gonna read is actually really simple.
Dahwan Moten says, how do I access the membership show?
Go to timcast.com right now, click join us, sign up, become a member, 10 bucks a month.
And then at 10 o'clock, we're going to have the members only show on the front page of the site.
It'll say member call-in.
It'll have my face and Michael Malice's pig-nosed face up there.
And that's how you'll find it.
But that's in 20 minutes.
In the meantime, we'll read your Super Chats.
But that's how you can find it.
And let's go!
Harry Lawrence says first.
Congratulations.
unidentified
Harry.
raymond g stanley-jr
Hi Larry.
tim pool
TokenBlackGuy says, howdy people.
I want to show some love to my boy Raymond G. His ex posts keep me entertained at work.
Holla at your boy Ray Ray.
raymond g stanley-jr
Thank you TokenBlackGuy.
Rock and roll.
ian crossland
He makes the best clips.
raymond g stanley-jr
Go America.
Oh yeah, I clip this show a lot.
ian crossland
Maybe Hyperbole.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
But he makes really, really great clips.
tim pool
They work.
All right, Just Cause I'm Free says, so now it's known the Democrats are using lawfare, infiltration, and sabotage against RFK Jr., Jill Stein, and Trump.
Just wondering what are the consequences of all this?
Also, malice for Press Secretary.
raymond g stanley-jr
I mean, amen.
michael malice
Why wouldn't they do it if there's no consequences?
hannah claire brimelow
I was going to say, there are no consequences.
michael malice
Why shouldn't they do it?
hannah claire brimelow
Other than, I mean, you know, Nicole Shanahan coming out and saying, like, this is something that's happening may make some people more aware of it, which may Just to stress slightly, but long-term there are no consequences.
Remember when, was it Donna Brazile, was caught emailing Hillary Clinton the questions that they're going to have in the debate?
michael malice
It wasn't a debate, it was a town hall.
hannah claire brimelow
In the town hall, thank you.
michael malice
Yes, that's a very big difference, but yes.
But still, yeah.
No consequences.
hannah claire brimelow
The pre-arranged media thing where we're supposed to have this face-off.
michael malice
No, the worst example, sorry to cut you off, the worst example of this was when Hillary was running for Senate in 2000 in New York State, and she ran on Letterman, and the big issue is like, Lady, you have nothing to do with New York.
Like, how are you running for the New York Senate?
And he asked her, what's the state bird?
What's the national- What's the state- What's the state, uh, slogan?
And she's like, oh, I think it's this.
It was all scripted.
They admit it later.
She knew all those questions were coming.
It was completely staged.
tim pool
And she intentionally got them wrong?
michael malice
That is much worse than the Don Brazil thing.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
She intentionally got them wrong?
michael malice
She got them all right!
Ah.
hannah claire brimelow
Because she was prepared because she had to argue that she was actually had any kind of tie to the state.
I think this is this is one of the issues for the DNC that like Donna Brazile's out now.
She still, you know, shows up occasionally as a media pundit for the Democratic arm of American politics.
And that's kind of it.
There's not long term consequences.
michael malice
What about the 51 intelligence agents?
ian crossland
What's that?
michael malice
With the 100-body laptop.
raymond g stanley-jr
Former intelligence agency.
michael malice
Yeah.
None of them had any consequences.
They're still hired, and they keep, like, their brains.
These reporters are like, oh, you made me look so bad.
How dare you?
They don't care.
raymond g stanley-jr
Well, they get away with whatever they want to do.
tim pool
Alahad says, can't wait to find out HCB flipped and is now supporting Kamala because Taylor Swift was at the DNC.
Is that true?
hannah claire brimelow
Taylor Swift is not at the DNC.
Pink is performing right now.
Are you a Swifty?
ian crossland
It's Pink.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I dabble.
michael malice
Look at me.
raymond g stanley-jr
Even Phil is, bro.
hannah claire brimelow
Look at me.
Of course I listen to Taylor Swift.
tim pool
Pink's not performing right now.
hannah claire brimelow
She was a second ago.
tim pool
Was she really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
For a second I was like, man, Pink is sure let herself go.
Yikes.
raymond g stanley-jr
She was a second ago.
hannah claire brimelow
That's Mark Kelly, right?
raymond g stanley-jr
No, no, I have to dabble.
hannah claire brimelow
She's like the pop star of my growing up.
michael malice
You want to be basic, be basic.
hannah claire brimelow
I can't help it.
It's just the way I'm genetically coded.
ian crossland
You can't help who you are.
tim pool
Chris Washburn says, y'all are crazy.
The mint chocolate is straight fire.
So we have these sports drinks, they're called Pneuma.
michael malice
I hate mint chocolate.
tim pool
I hate mint chocolate as well.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Absolutely.
michael malice
Yes, they're not friends.
Everyone says that as a psychopath.
tim pool
They don't really go that good together.
It's a vegetable oil, what are you doing?
ian crossland
What if it's like actual cacao and mint leaf?
tim pool
No, get out of here.
ian crossland
Is that good?
tim pool
Get out of here, Ian.
michael malice
It's not even mint.
It's not joking, get the... I'll break this bottle.
ian crossland
What are you drinking Dr. Pepper's Zero for anyway?
michael malice
This is my main method of hydration.
I'll make it work.
I'm an anarchist.
tim pool
So anyway, they've got mango.
It's delicious.
Lemonade.
They got watermelon lime.
They got peach blueberry.
They're all so delicious.
And then they have chocolate mint.
And Raymond says everybody hates it.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah.
It's the only one left in the refrigerator.
tim pool
But the people who like it really like it.
raymond g stanley-jr
Sure.
tim pool
Sure.
raymond g stanley-jr
Like two.
michael malice
Like two people.
raymond g stanley-jr
Maybe one.
ian crossland
Mint chocolate chip ice cream, you can admit.
michael malice
It's disgusting.
raymond g stanley-jr
I like the ice cream.
I can dig the ice cream.
And you know, if I'm being honest, I tried one of these not too long ago and it wasn't terrible.
michael malice
You're terrible.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab some more.
raymond g stanley-jr
Thank you, Michael Malice.
michael malice
You're welcome.
tim pool
We got MTW says, Brian Krasenstein is definitely well off.
Dude lives in a multi-million dollar house on the water in Florida.
He preys on low information people of the DNC cult for wealth and fame.
ian crossland
Well, they have multiple businesses, too.
michael malice
Look, I respect their hustle.
I don't think they're trying to pretend- they're not pretending to be anything other than not- same with that Harry Stisson kid.
Like, he's a propagandist.
Let him do- he's fine.
There's no pretension or contradiction.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
My point is just, they're intentionally lying to people.
michael malice
Sure, sure.
Absolutely, yes.
raymond g stanley-jr
Just as long as everyone knows that they're propagandists, we're fine.
ian crossland
I love you, Brian.
michael malice
There's plenty of Republicans, people like that as well.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, forget about it.
I can name, I can, never mind.
michael malice
Of course, come on.
tim pool
Let's grab, let's grab, Dylan Binkley says Montana is going to flip blue as a Montanan.
michael malice
That's a crazy story, bro.
tim pool
Maybe Bozeman.
hannah claire brimelow
There is a lot of blue movement, I think, especially during COVID.
Like on the East Coast, we saw a lot of migration to Florida and other places.
And there are, you know, some of them were conservatives who were leaving the state, but there were, you know, Democrats or likely Democrats who moved too.
And I think you did see that from the West Coast, especially people leaving California.
But generally, I think Montana will stay pretty red.
michael malice
He's up by 20 or something.
Trump in the latest polls.
tim pool
Matt Burkhart says 269-269 ties, Trump winning all swing states, but Dems winning all of Texas, all of Maine, and the three independent districts of Nebraska.
michael malice
Okay.
I think there's several ways to get us there.
tim pool
There is.
There's a swing state path as well, but I think all of them involve Maine or Nebraska having one of those independent districts flip.
And then it's going to be the Trump-Harris administration.
That's what we all need.
michael malice
Oh, because the Senate has to vote one way, the Senate the other way?
tim pool
The House votes for the President, the Senate votes for the Vice President.
raymond g stanley-jr
That'd be insane.
michael malice
Wow.
tim pool
But then again, isn't the Senate down now because of Menendez?
Is he out?
raymond g stanley-jr
He got charged, so he's still gone.
michael malice
He's resigned, right?
hannah claire brimelow
He's resigned, but he hasn't left office yet.
He was resigning in like, it was bizarre.
I'll look.
raymond g stanley-jr
He'll do it in 2045.
tim pool
And then it's going to be Trump-Vance.
The Republicans will vote for Vance.
michael malice
Yes.
Yeah, go ahead.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
raymond g stanley-jr
We'll see.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
Let's see what we got here.
Also, I'll just add this.
I don't know if Kamala's gonna be speaking by 10, because they still got Gretchen Whitmer and Adam Kinzinger.
raymond g stanley-jr
Two horrible people?
michael malice
Oh, they still haven't gone?
tim pool
It says, speaking tonight, Gretchen Whitmer, Adam Kinzinger, Kamala Harris.
michael malice
Is this live, though?
Maybe you're watching an old... No, this is live.
raymond g stanley-jr
Is it 846?
tim pool
Yeah, it's right there, 846.
unidentified
946.
tim pool
940, yeah.
michael malice
Okay, you were kidding.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, same thing.
michael malice
I'm sorry, but, like, this is what we're talking about, getting a campaign together in, like, 70 days.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah.
michael malice
It's like, you want her... She's... This... I don't think this is on purpose, that keeping her out of primetime.
I think this is their screwing up.
hannah claire brimelow
Benitez officially, his resignation became official yesterday.
michael malice
Oh wow, okay.
tim pool
So he's out?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he's out and I'm trying to see what happens to his seat.
tim pool
Alright, Blackout says, Amiracist is just one big scythe to prove Clark Kent's disguise was reasonable.
michael malice
You remember that meme about a picture of Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent and he goes, I want a disguise that no one could confuse with the hero who never lies?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Well, the thing about Clark that people don't realize is, clearly because they're not fans of DC, Superman's disguise was never just putting on glasses.
In the movies, they actually do a good job of helping to explain this, and actually in Justice League cartoons, Clark Kent is low-key.
He's nervous and shaky and he gets pushed around all the time.
raymond g stanley-jr
He's a liberal.
michael malice
And it's also not at all clear in the comics to the masses that Superman has a secret identity.
Right.
tim pool
So there's there's one I was actually watching just a little while ago and it's like Clark Kent is getting beat up by like Luther's guys or something and he's begging for please leave me alone and he's all messed up and he's shaking and then as soon as they're they leave he rips his clothes off and then he's Superman and in the movies I think what they did was he's hunched over and he's like well you know and then there's a scene where he takes his glasses off and then he rises up right and then it's a completely different person but I mean people Listen, if you saw a guy in a wheelchair who could only move his head, you wouldn't think he's Superman either.
It's- it's- it- look.
If- You know what I hear all the time?
michael malice
Take off that beanie.
tim pool
Dude, did anyone ever tell you you look like Tim Pool?
This is what people, no one ever, most of the time, people aren't coming up to me and going like, yo, Tim Poole, big fan.
It does happen.
Usually they'll go, did anyone ever tell you you look like Tim Poole?
michael malice
Tim, that's my line.
When I meet celebrities, or I used to, I did this to Molly Shannon.
I saw her at a party.
I didn't know how to, oh my God, I go, hey, you look like Molly Shannon.
She goes, it's me!
She was very nice.
tim pool
It's me!
michael malice
That's a great line for people to use.
By the way, if people come up to me, and this happened to me recently, I was at the airport.
And I was at the part where you have your ID and the boarding pass and there's like three of them huddled.
And the guy goes, Oh, hey, you know, I love you.
I love your work.
And the lady turns to her coworker.
She goes, Who is he?
I go, Oh, I'm the guy who shot up Pulse.
And the guy laughs and they let me through.
I always say that.
I'm the guy who shut up.
Like, I recognize, yeah, I'm the guy who shut up both.
tim pool
The point I'm trying to make is, uh, I'll do it again.
I was, I was, I was sitting at a subway and there was, uh, it was, uh, Dennis, uh, Glenn Howerton and, um, uh, Caitlin, um, what's her name?
raymond g stanley-jr
Jenner?
tim pool
No.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
G-Glenn Howardson is from, it's always Sunnyfellafia, and K-Kaitlyn... Uh, oh, she plays the girl, um... Right.
Is that, is her name Kaitlyn?
michael malice
It is K-Kaitlyn Olsen.
tim pool
Is it Olsen?
michael malice
Yeah, yeah, it is Kaitlyn Olsen, yes, I'm positive.
tim pool
I saw them wal- I saw them walking past me in Chicago, and I was like, there's no way that was them.
Looks kinda like them, though.
And then my friend was like, oh yeah, that was, that was them, and I was like, damn, I wasn't sure!
Yeah.
I also saw Ben Gibbard from Death Cab walked right- this is crazy, I was in Chicago, I was on Clark Street, and I lived there, and I was playing with my friend, we were playing music, and we were playing Death Cab for Cutie Covers, and then I was like, we played a song, and we make good money.
Everyone's drunk, and they're partying, and the baseball game's happening, and then I was like, I don't know, what do you want to play now?
And she's like, I don't know, let's play one of your originals.
I start playing.
Ben Gibbard walks past me right before I was literally playing one of his songs.
And I was like, I'm playing as I'm looking and walk by.
He walks down the street and then I look over to my friend and then we're done.
I'm like, that guy looked just like Ben Gibbard.
And she's like, isn't he playing at the Metro?
And I was like, holy, that was, oh my, there's been a bunch of times in my life where I was like, I can't tell if that's him or not.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Especially with celebrities in movies because they do specific angles on faces.
My good side, my bad side.
You'll see someone and you're not quite sure if it's them.
michael malice
What about the fact that Roseanne's 5'3"?
When you think of Roseanne Barr, I'm like this Godzilla figure, and it's like, oh, you're a cute little old lady.
It's adorable.
ian crossland
I'll get that.
michael malice
She hates it when I call her adorable.
tim pool
This is the other thing, too.
Camera angles for TV shows, they hold the cameras at their chest height.
So one thing people like to say is, here's another thing that I get a lot.
Wow, you're a lot bigger than I thought.
michael malice
Oh, I get that all the time, too.
tim pool
So, there's a video of me skating, and then the comments were like, Tim is taller than everyone in this video.
raymond g stanley-jr
What?
tim pool
I thought he was short.
Because our cameras are set at a higher angle to go over the heads.
So, what people don't understand is, from their perspective walking around the streets, if you're six feet tall, You're looking down, so if you're 5'10 or whatever, and you meet someone who's 5'7, you're looking down at them from this angle, and your brain says, short.
If you're watching a TV show with downward angles, your assumption is these are short people.
When they film TV shows and movies, they have these women who are 5'3, but the cameras are all shot at chest height, so it's eye level, or lower than the actor, and they assume that people are a lot taller than they are, and then they find out most of the actors are actually a lot shorter than they are.
raymond g stanley-jr
People don't know Tim is 6'7", by the way.
tim pool
6'7".
I do like to, when watching movies, look at doors, when the actor or actress is walking by the door, and then you're like, man, Tom Cruise, he's a short guy.
You can see the doorknob.
He's like... When he walks over and he reaches up for the doorknob... Cut!
ian crossland
People will come up to me and be like, you look like that guy from Timcast, Adam Kregler.
I'll be like, yeah, shout out to Adam Kregler and our upcoming song, The Forge.
Get ready for it.
It's hot.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, The Forge is coming out?
I love that song.
That's a good song.
tim pool
Let's grab this one.
raymond g stanley-jr
Shout out Adam.
tim pool
Let's grab this one.
We got Omega Rosetsu says, for Malice, I say to Jehovah's Witnesses as well, if you do not participate, your opinion is void and probably shouldn't have a political opinion.
michael malice
That's nice.
What are you gonna do about it?
Like, people tell me this, like, if you don't vote, you don't have a right to talk.
Okay.
But you do.
They don't have the right to talk.
hannah claire brimelow
They don't have to listen to you.
That's their choice.
tim pool
It's the correct answer.
And this is the point I was making about conservatives arguing with liberals, and the conservatives and liberals are willing to debate, is because many of the conservatives would say, well, I think, you know, what I think is this, instead of going, okay, you're right.
And your point is?
What are you going to do about it?
michael malice
It's just bizarre.
If you're not voting, you don't have a voice.
There's a microphone here.
You hear me?
ian crossland
You're not supposed to vote.
You can vote.
tim pool
Here's another one for you.
We got David Chorpening to Michael.
Does Lysander Spooner's argument that anarchists should still vote to avoid a worse master carry any weight for you?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Okay.
ian crossland
Next question.
raymond g stanley-jr
Good answer.
ian crossland
You just find like economic solutions are better?
michael malice
I don't regard it as legitimate that I'm going to choose which master I have.
I mean, that's crazy to me.
And I'd much rather take the time to work on destroying masterhood.
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, I like that.
tim pool
So are you one of those guys who thinks that they should change the coding language where they get rid of the word master and slave?
michael malice
Oh yeah, that's me in a nutshell.
tim pool
Did you hear that though?
michael malice
Yes, of course.
And what about master bedroom?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I was going to say, you're against that too, right?
tim pool
What do they call the master bedroom now?
hannah claire brimelow
Primary bedroom.
unidentified
What?
hannah claire brimelow
But you'll be against primary eventually too.
tim pool
This is so dumb.
So Master and Slave are coding terms and they had this thing where they're like, we're gonna get rid of these words and... Did they still say male and female with the plugs?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh yeah, wasn't that... No, I think that's still a thing.
michael malice
Now it's receptive and... The fact that they're saying front hole, it's like... Front hole?
It's genitals.
raymond g stanley-jr
It used to be... Front hole for like a lady?
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
No, it's bonus hole now.
raymond g stanley-jr
Well, yeah, that's the proper terminology is a bonus hole.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
There is a coin game that you may have seen at malls and bars where you put the quarter in and the coin pusher pushes the quarter.
There's a specific version of it where there's a hole in the center and when the quarters fall into it, they fill a bucket up.
Once the bucket gets too heavy, it drops all the quarters down and it's called bonus hole.
It's always been called Bonus Hole.
It's a very, very old game.
They have one down the street here at a Mexican restaurant.
So when the woke started referring to keep it family friendly, the...
colonic lined crevice between a male's legs for pleasure.
They referred those as bonus holes.
It was just kind of, you know, strange.
ian crossland
Just kind of strange.
tim pool
Anyway, let's read some more Super Chats.
raymond g stanley-jr
All right.
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Let's see.
Hold on.
YouTube just did the stupid thing where the Super Chats jump.
raymond g stanley-jr
Real quick.
It's called this book is gay if I may interrupt.
tim pool
It's got a glossary with things children should not be reading.
And there was a teacher who was teaching it to, like, ten-year-olds, and they called the police on her.
michael malice
Good.
tim pool
In Chicago.
Right.
And then they're like, they're trying to ban books!
It's enticement of a minor!
It's a crime!
Anyway, Brian Leeds says, ranks can share pay grades.
Like, if it promotes automatically after a year, Waltz was a Master Sergeant E8, not First Sergeant E8.
Not Sergeant Major E9, not Command Sergeant Major E9.
Did he illegally claim three ranks higher?
unidentified
Ooh.
tim pool
I mean, Tim Waltz is a liar.
We didn't get into that one story where his kid was crying for him and everyone got mad at Ann Coulter.
michael malice
His lying is the least of it.
It's the stuff that he says honestly that I'm worried about.
Do you know what I mean?
raymond g stanley-jr
That's a good point.
Yeah, because he's super terrible.
Yeah, that's good.
ian crossland
I've kind of been in the look away phase.
Maybe I should start watching more of their stuff.
michael malice
I would not trust my kids near his van.
unidentified
I cared about the sole and valor, but... You don't want him to hang out with the coach?
michael malice
There's something, I'm telling you, there's something very, very Jerry Sandusky about him.
raymond g stanley-jr
Geez, I gotta look into it more now.
tim pool
All right, Dinus says, everyone should correct your status as an American state national, not to be confused with the oxymoron sovereign citizens.
Look into the United States Corporation under the 14th Amendment.
Michael says no.
michael malice
I didn't say no, I said oh god.
I just watched a video about this yesterday.
ian crossland
Sovereign citizenry, where you're like, I'm not driving, I'm traveling.
Yeah, I was birthed.
michael malice
So they say that cops can't stop you not to have a driver's license because I'm not legally driving, I'm traveling.
And traveling doesn't fall under your jurisdiction.
Jurisdiction.
tim pool
Huh?
michael malice
These are the people who- I know.
You know how these boomers, they say it's a Republican democracy?
As if when you say that to Nancy Pelosi, she'd be like, Oh crap, they figured it out.
Clean out our desk and go home.
There's not this magic set of rules that people who are evil and interested in increasing power are all of a sudden going to submit and be like, you know what?
You're right.
I'm going to follow the constitution.
That's not a thing.
raymond g stanley-jr
What do you mean?
You say these rumors, but they're us.
This is the IRL of our community.
We say republic, not democracy.
michael malice
Who cares?
Our opponents don't care.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah.
Very true.
That's my point.
tim pool
Right, right.
And that's the frustration I have with a lot of people.
We're at this point where, you know, Ian thinking he's going to argue with Democrats who are sitting there... Ian, when you sit down with someone like the Krasins or Pacman and you're like, I really want to try and work this out and understand you, they're sitting there going like, this guy's so...
ian crossland
Dude, me and Ed and Brian get along great.
There's nothing- They both follow me on Twitter.
tim pool
They're not thinking, what a good guy!
They're thinking, this guy's dumb as a box of rocks.
ian crossland
No, they're like, let's stay in touch and do stuff together.
That's what they say.
We're friends.
Like, that's what I care about, is that we get along.
Because then we can change each other's minds.
I have a very strong mind.
tim pool
Ian, what's Evian spelled backwards?
ian crossland
N-A-I-V-E?
unidentified
Huh.
tim pool
Did you know that gold bull's written on the ceiling too?
ian crossland
I don't believe you, Tim.
tim pool
It's right, see the tape?
ian crossland
I see you lying.
tim pool
You see the tape up here?
ian crossland
Look at you pointing.
raymond g stanley-jr
I'm looking.
tim pool
See the tape right there?
ian crossland
I'm watching you make up stuff to try and prove something.
tim pool
Can I make that up?
Michael sees the tape.
I see the tape.
And there is writing on it.
Ian is refusing to look now.
ian crossland
Is it a refusal?
I don't know.
michael malice
Oh God, he's got a razor.
He's got a razor!
tim pool
The Krasensteins and these liberals are sitting there being like, yeah, let's do stuff together.
Let's do stuff together.
And in their mind, they're thinking, this guy's an idiot.
ian crossland
I think you have a malicious view on things that doesn't need to be there, man.
tim pool
A malicious view.
michael malice
He means me.
He's sub-tweeting me.
hannah claire brimelow
Not everything's about you, Michael.
michael malice
Well, he said malicious.
tim pool
But I think you misspoke.
I think what you mean to say is, I perceive malice.
ian crossland
Where there is none.
tim pool
He's sitting right in front of me, so I can't not.
ian crossland
Maybe because of the way you were written.
You came from a hard background.
I came from a really nice background.
And I think we both have, like, bias because of that.
tim pool
Well, everybody has their bias and their worldview, but I think it has more to do with... I worked in an industry, in the nonprofit sector, which was literally training liberal individuals and young people to go lie to people to get them to give you money and vote for people for things that are a detriment to themselves.
ian crossland
Yeah, I came from, like, helping people.
Going to the battered women's shelter and mowing the lawn for free, or like for 15 bucks.
tim pool
Right, I worked for homeless shelters.
And what you learn is some people are evil and some people are not.
And so there are certain liberals that are not evil.
They're just wrong.
And you can have a decent conversation with them.
You mentioned Jessica Tarloff.
michael malice
It's great.
Shout out to Jessie.
tim pool
I enjoy watching her on Fox because she doesn't, she actually, she argues with Jessie and she's not stupid.
She's actually making good points when he, and I'm like, well, I disagree with her on that one, but she's not just saying random garbled nonsense.
michael malice
She's coming from a place of truth.
tim pool
She's what?
michael malice
She's coming from a place of her truth.
tim pool
Right, and the credits are not.
And I know this for a fact because they omit context on purpose, and they even admit that they do this.
There's a tweet thread from Brian where he explains he's going to push certain points he knows are out of context for the purpose of manipulating people.
And then Ian's like, well, I don't know.
I was like, whatever, dude.
Anyway, it's 10.
unidentified
Oh, you got the last word.
ian crossland
You got a good heart, Ian.
michael malice
You got a good heart.
tim pool
You're going to get to speak at the members show.
I don't know who's speaking.
It's Whitmer.
Whitmer's speaking.
Smash the like button.
Subscribe to this channel.
Share this show with your friends.
Become a member.
Go to TimCast.com.
Click join us.
Ten bucks a month.
We're going to go to the Uncensored show.
There's a bunch of jokes that I wanted to say, but we're keeping it family friendly.
And I know that Michael is ready to burst from all the jokes he wants to make that he can't.
But on the members show, he's going to make you laugh.
He's got a pig nose on and it'll be fun.
So go to TimCast.com.
You can follow me on Instagram at TimCast.
You can follow the show at TimCast.io.
Michael, do you want to shout anything out?
michael malice
Follow me on Twitter at Michael Malice.
Please join my locals community, malice.locals.com.
And I am dreading listening to this pig speech.
I'm not kidding at all.
You know why?
Because we all know it's going to be completely... Here's the thing.
I'll just say, I'll say my way than Kamala Harris.
I like doing the show.
We have a good conversation.
We don't always agree, but I think people enjoy watching it.
But for her, it's like, I like doing this show.
We have a good conversation.
Sometimes, people don't agree.
unidentified
It's like, my God!
ian crossland
He's been saying it all night, I believe.
tim pool
Raymond.
raymond g stanley-jr
I'm Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I work facilities here, maintenance at TimCast.com.
michael malice
You sat me next to a janitor?
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, that's right.
michael malice
100%.
unidentified
I crossed an ocean for this.
raymond g stanley-jr
Let's go.
I look forward to... Thank you, Ian.
You're up.
tim pool
What's your ex's name?
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh, my ex is Raymond G. Stanley at X.com.
ian crossland
Thanks, man.
Alright, guys.
Have a good evening.
Like Superman and Batman, me and Tim are gonna figure out a way to lead the Justice League.
You know, sometimes differing personalities gotta work together, and so we do.
I love you, brother.
Bye, everyone.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, Scanner News.
Check out their work at TimCast News.
There's a lot of clips from Allad.
He's been on the ground at the DNC all week.
You should definitely go see what he's been up to.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram, hannahclaire.b, and I'm on X, hannahclaireb.
Thanks for everything you guys do.
Have a good night.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at timcast.com in about a minute.
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