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RFK TO ENDORSE TRUMP, Will Drop Out Friday, Expected To JOIN TRUMP In AZ w/Paul Dans | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
So yesterday, it was just a little taste.
We heard from Shanann, RFK Jr.' 's VP pick, that they were considering dropping out to endorse Donald Trump.
But now, the reporting says that sources working with RFK Jr., it's seemingly confirmed RFK is going to be dropping out of the race on Friday to endorse Donald Trump.
Now again, it's still a bit speculative.
So we'll see exactly how this develops.
But apparently, RFK Jr.
is going to be in Arizona to address his supporters, and so is Donald Trump.
So the expectation is that RFK Jr.
is going to appear with Donald Trump at a rally to formally endorse him for president.
This could be huge.
We're talking a couple points, a huge bump.
So we'll talk about that.
And that's pretty big.
The betting markets, this is interesting now, are tied.
In aggregate, all the betting markets are now showing both Trump and Kamala are tied.
And Polly Market has Trump actually up, so this is interesting.
And new data coming out for ballot requests, mail-in ballot requests, are down among Democrats dramatically in certain swing states.
So it's looking pretty good for Donald Trump right now, we'll see.
DNC Night 3 is currently underway, so there will probably be some developments while we do this show.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Paul Danz.
paul dans
Great to be with you, Tim and crew.
I'm excited to be back.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
paul dans
Well, I was the creator of Project 2025.
You may have heard a little bit about it in the news.
I am a lawyer by training, New York refugee, 25 years in the big city.
Happy to be potted down in South Carolina now.
Really diehard Trump guy at base.
You know, I'm excited with this RFK announcement.
This is great news.
I do think we have to do some serious retooling of the campaign, though, to get on track.
We got a serious 80 days in front of us.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Ian hanging out.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Thanks, Tim.
And yeah, I checked out, you're talking about organization and how people in the Republican Party, at least the criticisms I've been getting, is that they lack organization.
So the Project 2025 is like an actual stab at organizing, like a legitimate organizational tool.
It's cool.
It got a lot of bad media coverage.
So I'm glad you're here to kind of talk about it and explain it.
tim pool
Libby is here as well.
libby emmons
I'm here.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm with the Postmillennial.
Glad to be here.
tim pool
And Raymond G. Stanley Jr.' 's back.
raymond g stanley-jr
Hey friends, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I am Facilities Maintenance here at TimCast.
And if you have the power of graphene, you can manifest me coming onto the show like you did last night.
ian crossland
It's true.
tim pool
Also, is that a manly cup?
raymond g stanley-jr
It is very, yes.
tim pool
It's literally called manly and there's like bull on it.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah.
Well, it is also Good Ranchers, so they know what's up.
tim pool
Alright, alright, that was clever, very clever.
Alright, well let's jump into the show.
We got the story here from the Postmillennial.
RFK Jr.
to drop out of presidential race by Friday and endorse Trump.
The news comes as Kennedy is scheduled to host an event in Phoenix, Arizona on Friday afternoon to address the current historical moment and his path.
And we don't normally do this, but a super chat just came in from Paul Taskelos, who says, Nicole Shannon just said in an interview with Dr. Drew, they'll be making one of the biggest announcements in American political history on Friday.
Oh boy, I'm excited.
libby emmons
It's exciting.
Trump's going to be in Phoenix on Friday as well.
tim pool
It seems like it's all lining up.
libby emmons
And RFK has not announced where he's going to be making his announcement.
tim pool
I think it's going to be on stage with Trump.
libby emmons
Yeah, well that's sort of, you know, what I'm indicating here.
That's what I'm hoping for, yeah.
tim pool
I think that would be great.
So we do have this other story, too, because yesterday we heard they were considering it, and that was big news.
Trump was asked about it, and he says he would consider appointing RFK Jr.
to a role in his administration, and everyone's saying head of Health and Human Services or head of the CIA.
The CIA would be poetic justice.
libby emmons
Yeah, because this guy killed his uncle.
tim pool
Sure, and his dad.
But HHS might be the more appropriate position for him.
I kind of feel like this is Trump learning from his mistakes.
He must do this.
I was saying back in 2020 that if Trump appointed Tulsi Gabbard to a national security position of some sort, or advisor, He would have won.
If he had brought in Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard, I know a lot of people say, oh, Andrew Yang, he's a lefty, he wants UBI.
I'm like, the point is, you grab a huge percentage of voters by saying you will bring them in as advisors.
If he brings in RFK Jr.
and says he will be in my administration, he's going to jump, what, five points?
Ian then votes for him.
paul dans
This is Trump being Trump, which is the good news.
Maybe the campaign's letting him go back to the original Trump.
I can't tell you how many MAGA people that I work with, really the hardcore, the most
based who are huge RFK Jr. fans.
And they kind of always were kind of talking about it.
But remember, RFK Jr. went and interviewed for a job in 2016 at Trump Tower.
So their relationship goes back years.
And obviously there's a lot that doesn't, you know, some of his positions aren't square
with kind of America first, traditional America first.
But certainly there's no one better, I think, in the entire country to take on the administrative
state, particularly HHS.
So you see in our movement, so many medical freedom people, you count me right in with that group.
And just the excitement to have somebody either of his caliber at HHS or CDC, FDA, or of course going to really clear house at the agency.
ian crossland
The pharmaceutical lobby is legit, like so powerful.
They've got 1800 lobbyists, I think, and there's only 550 people in Congress.
So like, it's like a three to one ratio.
And I think it's just the pharmaceuticals.
Is that all lobbyists?
Or is that just the pharma?
libby emmons
I don't know.
I mean, that's a lot of but there's a lot of pharmaceutical stuff.
And every time I hear Joe Biden say, you know, we took on the pharmaceuticals companies, and we beat them.
I'm like, you paid them billions of dollars for vaccines that nobody wanted.
tim pool
We do have this clip that I just pulled this up.
Let's play this clip from Ask Dr. Drew.
unidentified
Let me ask you one direct question.
Yeah.
Should we have our ear to the ground?
Is something going to come soon?
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that Friday is going to be one of the biggest events in American election history.
What time?
tim pool
Where should I tune in?
unidentified
Awesome.
The details will be shared.
Where?
Go to Bobby's X account and Team Kennedy will be releasing a press release as well.
Okay, you heard that.
tim pool
So let's all... Let me ask you, Jim... I wonder when.
I wonder when.
Let me actually pull up the... Let's see if we can get the current polling where... Let's see where we're currently at.
So we've got the latest polls here, 538.
And let's see what we got.
Right now, UGov has him at 3%.
We've got Big Village with Kennedy at 5%.
That's huge.
We have another UGov poll that has Kennedy at 2%.
Interesting.
Redfield and Wilton Strategies has Kennedy at 3%.
Outward Intelligence has Kennedy at 7%.
So I think it's fair to say it's around a five percentage point.
It's currently where he's sitting at.
It's down from where he was.
I'm wondering if he will get every single one of his supporters, those who say they're voting for RFK, how many of them will actually vote for Trump?
90%.
libby emmons
You think so?
ian crossland
Yeah.
libby emmons
That's a high number.
tim pool
Are you going to?
raymond g stanley-jr
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
I don't need to disclose who I'm voting for.
tim pool
Ian said yesterday, if RFK Jr.
endorsed Trump, that's the only way he would end up voting for Trump.
ian crossland
I spent last night in the sauna thinking about secret ballots and the whole reason that we have secret ballots in the United States so you don't have to implicate yourself to your friends and neighbors so you don't get lynched by stupid mobs and stuff.
I don't feel compelled to talk about it right now.
tim pool
When Ian walks out of the room, stick a I voted Trump sticker on his back.
ian crossland
Dude, now before we really get into this, I watched the Theo Vaughn interview with Trump.
Highly, highly recommend.
One hour interview.
Excellent.
Hilarious.
And Theo just kept pressing him on the lobbies.
And you could tell Trump was like, oh God, I don't want to talk about this.
But I will.
And acknowledging that the lawyer lobby is the most powerful lobby in the country and the pharmaceutical lobby is insanely powerful.
tim pool
A lawyer lobby?
ian crossland
A lawyer lobby.
Trump kept saying that's the most powerful lobby in the country.
What is that?
It's like lawfare.
tim pool
It's this guy right here.
paul dans
No, I've been against them, actually.
You know, that's in the main, they talk about plaintiff lawyers in traditional, obviously the big kind of, but the big plaintiff lawyers.
But now you have to say it's a lot of the big corporate, too, with the Amlaw 100 are, you know, the largest law firms in the U.S.
is what we call big law.
But it's one of the most Not only do they all net over $100 million up to the billions, really, these firms, but they highly regiment the thinking of the very tiers of corporate society.
So a lot of this, the real way people think in terms of DEI, all this is...
tim pool
That's the lawyer lobby?
paul dans
Yeah, it's built out of the lawyer lobby and then infused through the entire corporate...
libby emmons
How long have they had power and control?
paul dans
You know, the thing with the lawyers is that it used to always be a percentage of a corporate deal,
So, in these big mergers and acquisitions, they put off the transaction cost, maybe 2%.
So, as we had a big inflation in the economy, that 2% became bigger and bigger.
You're having $2 billion mergers now.
So, you take 2% of that and you slide that off to the lawyers.
So, it's arguably a small transaction price, but a lot to go to lawyers.
So, I think it really took off in the 90s, 80s and 90s.
Lawyering as a profession was really kind of a profession, literally that, but it became a business.
Right.
And they chart that actually with the American lawyer when they started talking about the profits per partner.
And that's where they started angling for higher and higher profits.
ian crossland
One of the things Trump kept mentioning is that the Litigation law fair is like if you sue and you lose, you don't have to pay the costs of the person you're suing.
But in like Europe, you do.
So they don't sue because if they sue and they don't win, they have to pay for it all.
But in America, because of the lobby, that's not how it works.
So they're incentivized to sue.
tim pool
It's another suit.
So if if someone sues you, and they lose, you can then file to have them pay and you might lose.
ian crossland
Yep, and more lawyers make more money in the refiling and all that.
tim pool
But, if you win that, so basically if someone sues you on totally bunk reasons, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're the lawyer, right?
If someone sues you for what is clearly bunk, you can basically file to have them pay your legal fees.
paul dans
OK, this is what's called the English rule, which is a fee shifting.
Sometimes in contracts you'll see a fee shifting.
If there's a dispute clause, they'll say that the loser is going to pay the prevailing party's fees.
But in England, like you're right, that is the general law without putting it in the actual contract.
Here, this grows up because in the old days, plaintiff lawyers would be the only ones who could sue, right?
You can't.
The wealthy lawyers would get together and decide to sue.
To sue costs a lot of money.
You have to front the money.
Over time, though, we've had this development of what they call litigation finance, which
is allowing people, investors, to support the litigation freight at the beginning of
the litigation.
So now you have a wealthy company defending, but now you have a wealthy plaintiff who's
getting his or her money from a banker.
So with the advent of litigation funding, it's kind of lessened the need for this fee
shifting.
Myself, personally, I kind of still prefer the American rule, that it does lower the level of litigiousness in the society, but I am in favor... And what is that?
tim pool
That you pay your own bills?
paul dans
That you pay your own bills, but because, you know, there are still all these other aspects with bringing suit, but right now there's no question that I think the The complex nature of litigation is stacked in favor of large corporations, and less so more plaintiffs.
It's difficult right now to say, but bottom line is the lawyer class as a whole is very liberal and very wealthy, and conservatives have been systematically cut out of these big firms.
raymond g stanley-jr
I like the idea of RFK bringing in...
I'm sorry, RFK joining Trump, and then maybe Trump might go with Tulsi Gabbard.
I like the idea.
Some of the big MAGA fans might not be really happy about that, but I like the idea of a bigger tent, a bigger force.
If we're really going to go stop these Democrats and these Communists, we need more people.
tim pool
The Trump fans are going to cheer for whatever Trump says.
If Trump, you know, so as we already heard, he was asked a question, would you bring him in the administration?
He says, I've never been asked something like that, but probably, yeah, I like the guy.
And so you're instantly going to have, now you're going to see Trump's diehards being like, oh, what a genius.
that was always the good idea even though Trump himself was calling RFK nuts and Trump's surrogates
were calling RFK nuts not that long ago and now I do find this funny. Trump put out a statement a
while ago several months ago where he's like RFK could be worse than Biden we don't like the guy
he's not very good and now he's like I've always liked him and you know yeah I probably got a place
for him but but I don't really care about that.
That's politics.
When the primary happens, everybody's cutthroat, and then they say, okay, okay, you win, you win, let's come back together.
You know, there's a lot of people who'll never like Nikki Haley, but she's behind Donald Trump.
And so no one, like now, it's like no one's attacking Nikki Haley anymore because she's not in the position to attack Trump and push ideas we don't like, like she's pro-war or whatever.
And so we're just like, yeah, sure, okay, fine.
Trump called Ted Cruz lying Ted.
Lion Ted!
That's what he called him.
And then as soon as the primary was over, and Ted Cruz got behind Trump, his fans called him Lion, like roar, like Lion Ted.
They were like, there you go.
libby emmons
Well, and now Ted Cruz is very pro-Trump.
ian crossland
Yeah.
libby emmons
He talks about it on his podcast all the time.
He's like very in favor.
ian crossland
I think there's something impressive about a leader that's willing to surround himself closely with people that he disagrees with and that disagree with him.
So there's a constant pushback because resistance is like the inception of growth.
You need people that are going to tell you when they think you're wrong.
tim pool
And I'm really excited.
One of the things I like about Trump in his 78 years old, the Democrats, of course, trying to go like, he's too old to be president.
I'm like, well, Joe Biden was stumbling, bumbling Joe.
He had serious problems with communicating and muttering and his teeth falling out.
Trump doesn't seem to have those problems.
But there is a benefit to an old candidate who is still with it.
Donald Trump is very with it.
He's sharp, he's quick-witted, he's funny, and he doesn't care.
That's the benefit of someone in this position.
Now, don't get me wrong, I would prefer it if we didn't have all of these old people, just everybody's 80, everybody's 65 and up.
It's like, come on, we need some young people here.
But at least I'll say this.
Trump is pretty good.
He's with it.
And I do respect that he's at that point where he's just like, I don't care.
Like, shut up.
Been there, done that, seen it.
Whatever, we're over it.
You know, that reporter yelled at him when he was in, where was he in?
Howell or whatever?
Michigan?
libby emmons
Howell, Michigan.
That was a great moment.
tim pool
And this is exactly what I'm talking about.
She's like, Kamala Harris attacked you for coming here because the town is associated with white supremacy.
And he goes, excuse me, excuse me, who is here in 2021?
And she goes, Joe Biden.
Thank you.
And then he just walks away, just walks away from the mic.
And I'm like, that's what I'm talking about.
That's the, I'm done with this.
ian crossland
Doesn't seem like he's trying to impress anybody right now.
He's just doing what he wants to do.
unidentified
Good.
ian crossland
I like it.
tim pool
Good.
I appreciate it.
ian crossland
He doesn't need to impress people.
He won the base.
tim pool
Well, he does just at least need to convince people and be as convincing as possible.
And the Theovan interview was interesting because I saw some commentary where, so he was in, where was he, Asheville today?
North Carolina?
libby emmons
Was he?
Oh yeah, he was in North Carolina.
tim pool
And a woman fainted.
libby emmons
Yeah, and he stepped out from behind the- We should pull that up.
tim pool
We should pull that up.
Do you guys have that on Post Millennial?
libby emmons
Yeah, we have it.
tim pool
I'm gonna pull that one up.
ian crossland
We're just talking about it on Vaughn's interview.
That's wild, about people having heart attacks at the Muhammad Ali fight.
libby emmons
And he stepped out and he eschewed his own protection to see how this woman was doing.
tim pool
We got the story here.
Here we go.
Here's the story from the Post Millennial.
Breaking!
President Trump leaves protection of bulletproof glass to check on women suffering health emergency at North Carolina rally.
The president was met with cheers from the crowd as he walked off the stage in what individuals described in social media as a great act of bravery and humility.
He hugged the woman.
You had this, and then you had the Theo Vaughn interview.
And the commentary that I'm hearing is that advisors told Trump, someone did, you've got to soften on the edges and show some humility.
You've got to show empathy and compassion and not be so angry all the time.
And so with the Theo Vaughn interview, he's calm, relaxed, down to earth, talking about these issues like he's a dude hanging out with you.
And then you have this moment where he walks out of the bulletproof glass, which is brilliant in so many ways.
It's a great opportunity for him, reminding people of the assassination attempt on his life, showing that he's not going to be held back by it, and then showing empathy for a woman.
So I think, I think he knows what he's doing.
And I think this is a tremendous improvement for his campaign.
So this is, I think, overall, just great news and smart strategy.
ian crossland
I'm nervous about the stepping out behind the bulletproof glass.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know if I want that from my military commander right now.
We need him safe.
libby emmons
This was also his first outdoor rally since Butler.
paul dans
But this is Trump.
This is intuitive Trump.
This is ultimately Trump being Trump.
And I think that's a mark change.
Even last week, we had Corey Lewandowski come on onto the campaign.
You can already see the effects.
Yep, smart move.
This is the OG of the OGs, right?
He is the original gangster.
He's the number one Trump employee, the first guy Trump ever hired.
So we have Corey to thank for President Trump in the first place, really.
But, you know, what his book is essentially is Let Trump Be Trump.
And if you knew Trump, like, I lived in New York for 20 years.
My whole family's from New York.
This is what this guy does.
He would write anonymous checks to, well, not anonymous checks, but send off checks anonymously.
To people he'd read about in the newspapers and always kind of be like checking in on people.
You listen to so many stories about people he personally meets and then just stays with them like even like a Bob Craft.
He's like calling the guy continuously, but you know, that's the nature of the man.
tim pool
Take a look at this tweet from Newsweek, which is getting everybody all riled up.
Donald Trump suddenly stops rally and asks for, quote, a doctor, please.
raymond g stanley-jr
I was wondering how they're going to twist this.
tim pool
Yeah.
Isn't that amazing?
libby emmons
Newsweek Newsweek seems a little schizophrenic.
Sometimes they're like in favor of Trump and sometimes they have this ridiculous spin.
tim pool
This is not a negative story.
This is schizophrenic clickbait.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's weird.
tim pool
It's weird.
Donald Trump stopped his rally and asked for a doctor because a woman fainted and he walked out to help her, but they're trying to trick people.
They want to trick people into thinking Trump collapsed and said, oh, my heart.
They're lying.
But anyway, now that we've roasted Newsweek, here's a story from Newsweek.
Weapons found at Donald Trump Asheboro rally.
Person arrested.
So is Asheboro North Carolina?
Did I get the city wrong?
Asheboro, North Carolina.
I said Asheville.
I was wrong.
Weapons were found there, and apparently somebody was arrested.
Police arrested a man at the rally location at 4.30 p.m.
after Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, had already rapped, and there have been no reports of injuries.
Okay, I mean, the woman fainted.
I guess she's okay, though.
But look, I mean, this is crazy that Donald Trump, he steps out from behind his glass to check on some woman.
Here's my fear.
The people who want to hurt him show up disguised as rally attendees, and then a woman goes, whoa, and falls over.
When Trump comes out, that's when the bad guy and they're in it together.
ian crossland
Especially after this.
Now they know that he's willing to step out from behind the bulletproof glass.
They might be able to incentivize him to do that.
tim pool
Yeah.
paul dans
Well, you know, we do have to keep the national discourse on the assassination attempt, and it's kind of scary that the campaign was able, you know, ineptly to let the attention be drawn away from it.
Like, it's a month now later, and You know, essentially, he's even or underwater in some of the polls.
So what happened with the Secret Service?
Congress really needs to dig in on this.
And the campaign needs to say, look, don't go on break.
Let's actually have the hearings and get to the bottom of this.
Because you're right, we all have the same concern.
About about his health and welfare his whole family, you know, my little kids.
We have little kids at home every night We say prayer for his security and health and and for that of his family But as someone who's been in a lot of these environments I've always been alarmed by Really what seemed to me to be a little bit lapse.
I was active security when when you're there and and and You know, it's ultimately the Secret Service is a government agency, right?
And nothing government does is going to be the way you want it.
You have to stay on government.
So the question is really for the campaign.
Like, what are you doing to ensure his security?
And securing his security means keeping it in as a frontal issue for the American people.
ian crossland
You know what I'm most concerned about?
a drone attack from directly above because everybody's got their eyes out
but who's looking straight up and I mean these things can just come right down at
their target now I mean we're in modern warfare age and we're at war basically
the country's supporting a war in Israel with the Israeli stuff in the Ukraine
stuff so we're like it and with open borders like the ability for people to
come across the border maybe from an enemy country Not that we're technically, we're not technically at war, but we're supporting wars.
paul dans
I mean, it's been politicized.
There's a great linkage with RFK Jr.
How could they not give him, you know, Secret Service protection?
And Trump spoke out about that to get, to make sure that RFK Jr.
was getting that security protection.
But, you know, yes, there's a myriad threat matrix going on.
I don't even want to Spend time giving good ideas to anybody, but the point is that we have to be extremely vigilant in what's going on, and it's real.
And unfortunately, they'll keep coming.
ian crossland
What do you do?
Do you hide the guy away in a bunker for his entire presidency?
tim pool
That's what they want.
They want to put Trump in the basement so that he can't campaign.
ian crossland
Yeah, and they want to scare him so he gives up.
tim pool
I mean, I think somebody wanted to kill him.
And so it's not, it wasn't like they accidentally, it wasn't like they intentionally missed just to scare him.
No.
I think the preference for some of these people would be that Trump not survived.
And that's terrifying.
ian crossland
What was up with the Reagan assassination attempt?
I know that John Hinckley Jr.
tim pool
Yeah, he was trying to impress with Jodie Foster or whatever.
ian crossland
The story is some random guy wanted to impress an actress.
There was no government collusion technically ever found or any of that.
And then he made George Bush... She was like 12 too, wasn't she?
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
That's a story?
unidentified
Jodie Foster.
tim pool
Yeah, Jodie Foster was like 12 years old.
ian crossland
She was a taxi driver.
Yeah, a taxi driver.
And then, was that before he had George Bush Sr.
as his VP, or was it after the assassination?
paul dans
No, he was president at the time.
And I remember it.
I was a little kid in grade school, and they wheeled in the TV and brought us there.
The Hinckley thing, and this is probably the case with all these sort of big events, we never get the full truth, right?
We get versions of it, and maybe if we, you know, put RFK Jr.
at the head of the CIA, we'll get the real truth.
But, you know, the Hinckley thing was weird, too, because he didn't just come from any family.
He came from a very wealthy family in Colorado who was very connected with some of the Republican families, even.
So it's very bizarre the way it happened, but you just saw the valor of the Secret Service at that time and the way these guys snapped too.
but also the incredible equanimity and poise of Ronald Reagan in that moment.
And you saw the same instinctual thing with Trump in the moment.
He gets up and says, fight, fight, fight.
He wants to assure everyone at the rally that he's OK.
And Reagan, he didn't even realize that he had really been shot until they got in the
car and they started fumbling around.
And it was more, as I understand, like the internal injuries, um, that were really threatening at the time.
So, um, there's great parallels in it, but, um, look, these, these threats come from all different directions.
So the secret service does an amazing job.
libby emmons
Although the secret service agent, the head of the secret service after the Reagan assassination did resign.
paul dans
Yeah, I mean, in the old days people would resign whether or not they were ultimately to blame for it.
Because that was a matter of just allowing, you know, nothing is as big as one person.
tim pool
But I think this is not an issue of incompetence or something that we need to be concerned about with resignations.
This is criminal investigation and arrests of Secret Service members.
We're now learning the other day, what was it, that it was local law enforcement that shot crooks on the rooftop, it was not Secret Service?
libby emmons
That's right, it was local law enforcement shot first and then Secret Service shot after.
tim pool
So now we know, added to the story, is that local law enforcement were freaking out on more than one occasion because they had warned Secret Service repeatedly to put someone on the roof and Secret Service did not do it.
And it was actually local law enforcement that took out the shooter only after the fact.
So you mean to tell me, how many sniper teams?
They had four?
There were four counter-sniper teams?
libby emmons
Yeah, something like that.
tim pool
And they just did nothing.
They just did nothing.
And the local law enforcement pre-warned them four days in advance.
And then, do we really have to go through this again?
Three hours before, an hour before, 26 minutes, 10 minutes, 2 minutes, and the Secret Service did nothing.
Nothing.
There's no way this is an accident.
No way.
You'd have to be psychotic to believe it.
libby emmons
You don't think it's just that level of incompetence?
tim pool
That's an impossibility!
Now we're learning that the Secret Service was staring at the shooter and they didn't shoot back?
Look, if you want to make the argument, we are talking about degrees of psychosis, okay?
You make the argument that, first, the story was people were screaming, he's got a gun, and Secret Service didn't react.
And it goes, well, you know, they must have not realized, and Secret Service might not have thought that was one of their guys or a local, so they don't know what to do.
Then it was actually ten minutes before they saw the guy.
And he's walking around with an AR-15 or some kind of long gun.
And they're like, well, I mean, you know, maybe they didn't realize this guy wasn't supposed to.
It could be incompetence.
Every step of the way.
No, I'm done.
We're at the point now where we've learned that Secret Service saw a man shooting at people in the stands and did not return fire at all.
libby emmons
Do you think Donald Trump should have private security at this point?
tim pool
I don't know.
I'm not going to advise Trump on what he should or shouldn't do with security, private security or otherwise.
But let me just stress, OK, the story now is that Secret Service did not, with counter snipers, did not even take out Crooks.
That is to imply that they let Trump out of the holding zone with an active threat, with a man walking around with an AR-15.
There's photos of Crooks walking around with a... I don't know if it was actually an AR-15.
It was a long gun of some sort.
There's photos of him walking around with it.
We kept asking, how did he get the gun?
How did he get on the roof?
And now we see photos of him just walking around with it.
We have text messages from, I think it was local law enforcement, saying like, hey, this guy just snuck in.
Local law enforcement saying, we warned them four days in advance.
All of those things together, and we get people going, I mean, honestly, just sounds like gross incompetence to me.
Now we're at the point where a guy's on a rooftop, Shooting into a crowd of people and Secret Service is like, what do we do?
Not incompetence.
That was a stand down.
No question.
A guy opens fire into the crowd, Trump hits the ground, and the Secret Service are just going like, hmm, I wonder what?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
BS.
They were going, wait.
libby emmons
Do you think Congress is going to actually be able to get to the bottom of that?
Because they're investigating.
tim pool
Maybe in 50 years.
What'll happen is the documents will be thrown in the furnace.
No one will talk about it.
Trump survived, so it won't be nearly as big a deal as JFK.
Maybe in 50 years, you'll get some, like, it'll be some, I don't know, someone who is there, who is in their 20s or 30s, is going to be like, Oh yeah, that was definitely the Secret Service that did it.
And there's going to be some young guy going, whoa, you're saying it was the Secret Service that actually tried to kill Trump?
And then it'll be like, everybody agrees.
We're at the point now where everyone basically agrees the CIA killed JFK.
I mean, it's kind of wild.
RFK Jr.
says it.
Ron Paul's saying it.
libby emmons
And they won't release the documents, which kind of just makes it worse.
tim pool
Again, I want to stress this to everybody listening.
Secret Service saw a man shooting into a crowd, killing a one man, critically injuring two, and striking the president on the side of the head through his ear, and they did not return fire.
Not incompetence.
Stand down.
ian crossland
If that's your secret police force, the SS, which is crazy, like the German Nazis had the SS too, that's wild.
tim pool
It's the U.S.S.S.
ian crossland
U.S.S.S.
is a little different.
It's the U.S.S.S.
It's a secret service, secret police force, and if they failed at this level, Then I think, yeah, he should have private security.
Like Eric Prince, get on board if he hasn't already.
Contact the big guns.
You need full on 100% bulletproof.
I mean, I don't know how you trust anyone.
You shouldn't have to.
You should have some sort of mechanical defense.
But yeah, I wouldn't trust the system that failed.
libby emmons
Yeah, that seems kind of wacky.
And now that's the system that is keeping him safe at additional outdoor rallies.
paul dans
I think two things.
This is the campaign's job to get done.
One is to ensure physical safety.
That's your primary mission, actually.
And like I said, you can't just rely on any government agency.
You have to be double-checking them and keeping them to account.
That's what we do in life.
tim pool
There are some people in the chat saying that actually local law enforcement shot first, but didn't put him down, and then Secret Service fired after the fact.
libby emmons
They hit the rifle.
tim pool
That's what happened?
libby emmons
The local law enforcement hit the rifle.
raymond g stanley-jr
He recoiled back, and then once he was down, not shooting anymore, they took him out.
tim pool
That sounds to me like they were like, the jig is up.
I don't buy it for a second.
unidentified
When the photos came out... It also sounds like they didn't have to kill him.
tim pool
Well, either way, when the photo came out showing him walking on the grounds near the president with a rifle, I'm just like, nah, that's not incompetence.
That is not incompetence.
They let him do it.
paul dans
Congress should be at work right now.
They should not be on recess.
They should be digging into this because every day he's in danger and we have to get to the bottom of it.
And that's, you know, again, like we need the pressure to say to, I mean, we're supposed to be in charge of the House here.
tim pool
No, Republicans aren't going to do anything.
paul dans
They have to.
I mean, this is this is the sort of thing right now, you know, you have to make a case why you want to keep control of the House and get control of the Senate.
tim pool
Well, they won't.
Well, let's jump to this story.
This is huge news.
It looks like the Biden administration was cooking the books.
This is crazy.
818,000 jobs vanish from jobs report.
So this is fascinating.
When we get people like Don Lemon going out in the street and being like, who are you going to vote for?
And they go, I'm voting for Trump.
He goes, why?
And they say, the economy was better.
And he goes, actually, that's not true.
The economy is better now.
Oh, turns out they were lying the whole time.
This is the largest revision in 15 years.
They accidentally added 818,000 jobs to the reports that have been coming out.
It was fake.
And this is huge.
The numbers are fake.
They're saying that the Biden admin was cooking the books to make it look like the economy was good.
And what's fascinating is, you know what?
Let me just pull this up from Civics.
Civics.com, state of the current economy.
Let's find it here.
Economy, current condition, and 38% very bad, 20% fairly good, 22% fairly bad, 9% very good.
bad. 20% fairly good, 22% fairly bad, 9% very good. Okay, so let's just say we had 60% saying
it's bad to some degree. Let's take a look at independent voters.
Independent voters overwhelmingly think the economy is bad.
44% say very bad, 25% say fairly bad.
Republicans even more so think the economy is bad.
percent, I'm sorry, 25 percent say fairly bad.
Republicans even more so think the economy is bad.
But for some reason, Democrats, it inverts.
For some reason, Democrats think the economy is good.
Now, that makes literally no sense at all, unless you realize these are people who think the economy is based off of government numbers, and Republicans and Independents.
Independents especially... Let's do this.
Let's say Republicans are just partisan, and they're like, ah, the Democrats are in charge, the economy is bad.
Fine, I'll take it.
Independents are saying the economy is bad, and these are people who are nonpartisan, saying, I don't care for either party, My bills are too expensive.
My groceries are too expensive.
The economy is not good.
Democrats think the economy is good because they've been cooking the books and putting out fake numbers, and now they've been rescinded right at the last minute.
libby emmons
Well, Democrats think that the economy is good because they have been told to believe what they are told, not to believe their senses and their eyes and ears.
So that's what they do.
They're told that the economy is good and they think, oh, I'm just struggling a little bit right now.
It's not actually an indicator of economic problems.
It's just me right now.
I'm just having some issues.
And they blame themselves.
This is true of my family members who are lefty and struggling and they're like, Oh, I'm just having a tough time.
I'm working three jobs.
You know, I should be doing better.
tim pool
The news said the economy was good.
libby emmons
And I'm like, but the economy's not good.
Like, that's why you have three jobs right now.
That's what's going on.
tim pool
Trump accused the Biden-Harris administration of being caught fraudulently manipulating job statistics to hide the true extent of the economic ruin they have inflicted upon America.
This is crazy.
Take a look at, we have this, CNN.
I haven't seen this clip.
I saw this posted by Tom Elliott.
So we'll watch this.
unidentified
Breaking news in the CNN right now.
jim acosta
The job growth has been far weaker in the U.S.
and originally reported that is according to new data just coming in this morning.
Let's get right to it.
That's Matt Egan.
What's the headline, Matt?
unidentified
Jim, 818,000 fewer jobs were added during the period between April 2023 and March of this year.
We were bracing for these revisions to come out and show that job growth was weaker, and that is what we got.
This is probably on the high end of the expectations.
Some of the forecasters have been saying probably around a few hundred thousand jobs.
Goldman Sachs had said maybe Let me show you this clip.
tim pool
This is Biden-Harris Commerce Secretary.
This one's got everybody freaking out.
unidentified
When you hear that, do you potentially think that this new numbers could be a liability for this campaign?
No.
When I hear that, first of all, I don't believe it because I've never heard Donald Trump say anything truthful.
libby emmons
It is, though, from the Bureau of Labor.
unidentified
I'm not familiar with that.
libby emmons
When you hear that...
tim pool
So a lot of people are saying she's not familiar with the Bureau of Labor.
No, no, no.
She's talking about the report.
This is the schizophrenic derangement.
And this is the biggest this woman represents, exemplifies so well the danger this country faces.
I was hanging out several months ago, playing a game of poker, and some guy lost his mind at the poker table when someone asked me who I was voting for.
And I was like, Trump, of course.
And the guy said, Trump has never said anything truthful in his life.
And then some other random guy who does not seem very political went, are you kidding me?
Come on.
The guy talked about sports before.
That's stupid.
The idea that you would genuinely say something like genuinely believe Trump has never told the truth before is derangement.
It proves this woman's got a fractured psyche where her brain, her prefrontal cortex has ceased to function.
Donald Trump has talked about reality TV before.
Even if you think he's lying about politics, it's impossible to say the guy's never told the truth about anything ever.
They are insane.
And they're ignoring the fact that apparently they were cooking the books.
paul dans
She's also using a very sophisticated deflection technique, right?
We know the Bureau of Labor Statistics is the one that put this number out.
It has nothing to do with Donald Trump.
He's just repeating what the government actually put out.
But she manages in the very first part of the sentence to, one, say she doesn't think it's true.
Well, the government just said it.
And, you know, not only she's in charge of that Bureau through her department, but then two, it's like the fact that Donald Trump said anything or whatever has nothing, is completely immaterial.
The majority of the people, not the majority, but a large swath of people will come away from that thinking, oh I heard enough, it's not true.
It's just pure deflection.
tim pool
The fascinating thing is that you don't need a jobs report to know the economy is not going well.
I went to the grocery store and a can of whipped cream was $6.
paul dans
And, you know, in here, true, you know, like, it's like, don't believe your lying eyes.
We all, I don't know if half of these people ever go to the grocery store, but like, $100, you know, my estimation used to fill up the back of a station wagon.
Now it's two bags worth.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
paul dans
You go out there and you're like, how?
I can't go to the grocery store for under 60 bucks.
It's like, what's going on?
But, you know, there, they're saying that the numbers are from, I think, April 23 to Or August 23 to March?
ian crossland
April.
paul dans
It was April to March.
Like, we're not even talking about the up to present.
So, you know, I think it's a little dog bites man kind of thing when you say that the numbers coming out of the Biden administration are cooked.
I always assume they are, and they're always going to revise them after the fact.
But in this particular case, the fact that they had the courage to do it during the pendency of the DNC is interesting.
libby emmons
Well, yeah, because they wanted to just hide it.
Because everybody is paying attention, they're like singing and dancing and they're having joy and they're having vibes.
I mean, the Biden administration even has what they're calling a vibrarian.
Did you guys see this?
A vibrarian.
Who, their job, it's like a Gen Z person in the White House and her entire job is checking social media to see Axios had it.
We covered it as well.
But her whole job is to check the socials and see what people are feeling and then let the administration know so that they can counter the feels.
tim pool
You know, I like that word because it sounds a lot like vivarium.
And I would argue the Democrats have a functional political vivarium as well.
And that's basically how they keep their voter base.
Living in this broken, fake world.
ian crossland
What's vivarium?
tim pool
It's like a fish tank.
It's like a little tank where you put the animals in it and they live in their fake little world where they don't know.
ian crossland
I thought you said vibrarium and it was like... Vibranium?
Yeah, vibranium.
libby emmons
No, but they're saying like the vibes librarian.
ian crossland
That's funky.
tim pool
Vibrarian?
ian crossland
I mean, don't call them that at least.
Just call them like an analyst or something.
libby emmons
Right, yeah, it's Molly Opinski.
tim pool
We should just be like Democrats are disqualified from... That wouldn't be true democracy.
libby emmons
I don't care.
We don't have a true democracy right now where you can just install a person from the top down and then declare that that person has grassroots support.
It's such lies and it's such obvious lies.
And I can tell that it's getting dicey over there because my mom stopped talking to me
about politics.
She's like super lefty and she always wants to argue with me about politics.
And I recently spent a very tense week hanging out with her where she couldn't figure out
what to talk to me about, but she definitely would not bring up politics.
And I wasn't going to bring it up because she hates my job.
She hates my job.
tim pool
Yeah, but like you'd win every argument.
libby emmons
She started telling everybody that she could find that she wished I went into accounting.
And I was like, mom, that was never on the table.
I went to art school.
I was never going into accounting.
Where did you get this crazy idea?
tim pool
Don't you just win every debate?
libby emmons
No, because I don't want to debate with my mom.
She gets grouchy, and she cries, and then she's very stressed out, and it ruins dinner.
I don't need a ruined dinner.
unidentified
I completely disagree.
tim pool
I think the reason that people persist in these delusions is because people don't want to ruin dinner.
libby emmons
She doesn't debate.
She walks away and she gets angry and then she like talks to me about how I'm a terrible person and blames me for things and it's just like...
tim pool
And then ask her next time that happens.
libby emmons
Do you guys not have weird moms who like don't make any sense and it's just weird to try and like...
My mom's a beast.
No, your mom's great.
ian crossland
She's a math teacher.
libby emmons
And she's terrific.
You win.
My mom is great in her own totally different way that doesn't drive her.
ian crossland
I gotta figure out the tone when I talk to my mom.
Because if my tone gets out of control or out of whack, she'll shut down.
But if I can stay calm... Right, the shutdown!
libby emmons
Yes, my mom does the shutdown.
ian crossland
I haven't chatted with my parents yet since Kamala became the nominee, whatever, and I've been fantasizing about being like, so what do you guys think about protecting our democracy by installing a candidate without being voted for?
And like, what they're gonna say, like they haven't talked to me about it, they haven't brought it up at all.
tim pool
Rarely do they.
It's broken brains, man.
ian crossland
I think they're ruined right now.
tim pool
There's nothing there anymore.
You know what's really crazy is... This will probably shock a lot of people.
Ask—if you haven't talked to a loved one, a friend, a family member in a long time, ask them if Donald Trump called Nazis very fine people.
They believe it.
They still do.
Joe Biden just said it again at the DNC.
They still think it's true.
And it's remarkable to me that anyone still thinks that's true.
Even Snopes debunked it seven years later.
libby emmons
It's because it's part of their catechism.
tim pool
It is.
libby emmons
It's not reality.
It's part of their actual religion.
That's a good way to put it.
It's scripture to them.
tim pool
Yep.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
raymond g stanley-jr
So we all have, um, besides Tim, um, I know about yourself there, Paul, but all the elders that are on the left spectrum that we have to fight with and kind of convince the reality is real and they don't want to go with the reality.
ian crossland
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I don't fight with them anymore.
ian crossland
They're willing to though.
If it's blatant, they'll accept it.
Fortunately, like I watched this video of Zelensky saying, the Americans are not funding the war in Ukraine.
And I watched it with my dad.
And then I was like, he said, we're not funny.
He said, no, he said, we're not fighting the war in Ukraine.
I was like, no, no, he said funding.
Let's rewind it and watch.
So he did begrudgingly.
But then when we watched, he was like, you're right.
I'll eat that one.
You were right.
tim pool
Funding.
We're not funding.
ian crossland
Zelensky blatantly lied and said that right after we sent them $61 billion, he went on MSNBC and said, no, the Americans are not funding the war in Ukraine.
And I was like, yeah, we just sent $61 billion.
tim pool
What you got to do is you got to put parental controls when you go visit them so they can't watch MSNBC or CNN anymore.
unidentified
When they're not in the room, just switch the code.
paul dans
I'm a little older than you guys, but both of my parents passed, right?
My mom was a treasure, right?
She was a public school teacher.
Genius, right?
She was a chemist.
My parents met, they were government scientists, right?
first in their families to go to college. But, you know, politics, maybe now you guys
talk politics with your parents. It wasn't a thing really when I was growing up and we
weren't at this level of division in the country. You certainly would not have kind of fights
over Thanksgiving about politics. There was a little bit of weirdness, but this really
came into being, I think, maybe 10, 15 years ago and certainly really coalesced under the
tim pool
new. It's before this and it's generational.
People need to understand that our culture is basically an organism unto itself that ages.
It is not that one day political polarization existed.
20-30 years ago, political polarization was injected into Millennials, and two different worldviews were being taught to children.
So now, as those children age, the division ages along with it.
When Millennials enter the workforce, the existing political division enters the workforce with the Millennials.
ian crossland
I saw, it was 2006 is when I noticed, it was the shattering of the narrative that we were the good guys and the war in Iraq was just.
When social media appeared, and internet news, when independent journalism came out, and they were like, actually, there were no weapons of mass destruction.
Because before that, in the 90s, we all believed what we were told on NBC.
Like, we would sit around, the news would be on, but no one questioned it.
And then we went to war in Iraq, and it was like, okay, hit the brakes, what in the hell is going on?
And then the people that learned about the liberal international order, It's cultural, it's internet based.
tim pool
When we looked at the polls discussing whether or not someone thought a civil war was likely in this country, the silent generation overwhelmingly says no.
It's like 10 or 12 percent says there will be.
When you go to boomers, it jumps up to, like, 20-something percent.
When you go to Gen X, it jumps up to, like, 30-some-odd percent.
When you go to millennials, it jumps up to, like, 40-some-odd percent, and then Gen Z, it's over 50.
The polarization is generational.
That's why, you know, you're saying, Paul, like, you didn't have this, it wasn't there, and we're saying it happens with our own families.
paul dans
Yeah, I went to MIT undergrad and grad, and so this was before Al Gore invented the internet, right?
They actually had it at MIT, believe it or not.
And that's what we were beginning to use.
We'd go to our locker and download things and go to the mainframe computers and actually work on the Internet.
I went into law school and then right when the late 90s when I was going to practice in New York, to use the Internet, you have to go to the IT department and actually, you know, like phone in basically.
That was the very beginning of it.
But I went to work at a big New York firm that represented a lot of the traditional media companies.
And I think the real break point where that narrative, the control, the Walter Cronkite control got broken, if memory serves, is with Monica and the dress and Drudge and getting out and basically...
Saying, you know, this led to the Bill Clinton impeachment.
But they, you know, other mainstream media had that story and they colluded and they decided they weren't going to run it.
But then Matt Drudge ran it and it changed the world.
tim pool
Here's the question for your parents.
If you did not eat breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt?
ian crossland
Wouldn't they just say hungry?
tim pool
The point of the question is that people of low IQ can't comprehend conditional hypotheticals.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
So when you say, if you did not have breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt?
It's a meme.
They go, but I did have breakfast.
And you go, no, no, no.
But if you didn't, how would you have felt?
What do you mean?
I had breakfast.
ian crossland
And you're like, let me open the box so you can think outside of it a little easier.
tim pool
Here's the challenge.
And I think this question should actually be asked of many Democrats.
If you cannot understand hypotheticals, you cannot build a machine.
If we are to ask ourselves, how do we form a government?
How do we make sure the government works and that there's justice and accountability and it keeps working?
Okay, well, you need to ask yourself hypothetical questions.
What happens if, in our government, an election is rigged?
Like, let's just say, hypothetically, someone rigs an election.
What would the mechanism be by which we resolve that problem?
I know!
Simple idea.
You file a lawsuit, okay?
So if your state believes that your election was rigged or improperly handled, you file a lawsuit to challenge the results so that a court can actually go through the documents and the arguments to determine whether or not the election was held properly.
We've got a problem, then.
The problem is, the federal government has expectations and deadlines.
The federal government is a separate entity from the state government.
So if you're in the state of, say, Illinois, and you believe the election was not properly handled, well, the federal government still requires the paperwork be submitted and filed because your dispute has nothing to do with them.
Okay?
If you and your brother are arguing over who should pay for the concert tickets, Ticketmaster does not care at all.
They're like, look, give me the money for the tickets, you guys sort it out after the fact.
Okay, so what you'd need to do is, you would need to have your electors file the paperwork, submit them to the federal government, conditionally stating, we're waiting for adjudication on these results, should they change, should the judge ruling come in, we'll let you know, but we're making sure we're getting our paperwork in before the deadline for the federal government, a separate jurisdiction.
Then the court rules, maybe a month later, and says, you know what?
Actually, this election was improperly handled and we're going to certify the other slate which have been submitted to the federal government.
Then they send word and legal documents from the governor saying, yep, we took care of it.
And you know where this process came from?
Hawaii in 1960, because it literally happened.
libby emmons
Kennedy and Nixon.
tim pool
And so what happened in 2020 with Donald Trump and all these states?
Literally the same thing, just more states.
libby emmons
And except now they're locking up the electors.
tim pool
That's right, because they're psychotic, fascistic despots.
libby emmons
And they're locking up these grandmas who were just available in case there was a recount and the election went the other way.
tim pool
But if you can't understand a hypothetical situation, and you say to someone, we did not properly adjudicate these claims, so we don't know, the response from someone who can't mentally understand is just, But it was certified.
Yes, I understand.
But we did not review evidence.
We have to look at the arguments.
The arguments are not, in most cases, that someone made a fake ballot and mailed it in.
The arguments were that the governors and the judges did not have the authority under the Constitution to alter the rules of the election.
Only the state legislature did.
Therefore, any changes that were made make the election improper and are up for challenge.
But we never actually got proper adjudication.
paul dans
Yeah, it's very irritating to see this whole The narrative that spread from 2020 forward belies 200 years of history, the actual United States statutes and the Constitution, this Electoral Count Act.
This was how it was always done, and anybody who cracked open an actual history book We'll jump to this story here.
and took American history would understand there were disputed elections.
This very process was put in place to weigh various slates of electors and
and there were some traditional fights involved in it. So this was just the next
iteration of American history.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story here. We had this tweet from Rolling Stone.
They say that's the genius work of this one small bit of the Harris-Waltz merch.
The camouflage hat reclaims the rural and southern identity that mainstream Democrats have long ignored.
Dems are finally embracing country music fans.
That's all they needed this whole time.
unidentified
What hat?
tim pool
Was the camouflage hat.
And, you know, just the other day, We're out here in Appalachia.
I saw an old man wearing a camouflage Harris-Waltz hat.
And I said, sir, sir, you're supporting Harris-Waltz.
unidentified
He goes, well, I just gotta tell you, once I saw that hat, I knew it was for me.
tim pool
I don't see Trump wearing a camo hat.
And I'm like, that's it.
They've won.
They've won the South over.
Just kidding.
That's insane.
These people are morons.
ian crossland
Is it jungle camo?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
It was all black.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, jungle.
Space camo.
Old school camo.
Space camo is the same thing because it's not like just all black.
ian crossland
You need invisible for space camo.
tim pool
So you get a, where's, is her name Emma Ermhoff?
Is that her name?
libby emmons
Ella.
Ella Ermhoff.
tim pool
I'll let him off.
Where is she from?
New York?
libby emmons
She lives in Brooklyn, yeah.
tim pool
Brooklyn, yeah.
And they put a camo hat on her, and that's it.
You've convinced Southern conservatives to vote Democrat.
libby emmons
She looks like she's headed to Williamsburg for a nice Coke binge and a bunch of Electro Clash or something.
tim pool
But even with the camo hat, she still looks like she's headed to Williamsburg.
libby emmons
With the camo hat.
I'm saying with the camo hat, she looks like she's headed for Williamsburg.
If she takes the camo hat off, she could pass in Park Slope.
tim pool
Democrats don't understand that they're just doing what hipsters do.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
They're not actually endearing themselves.
libby emmons
They're appropriating bits of Americana.
paul dans
Cultural modification.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
They're appropriating bits of Americana and saying that that makes them American.
I mean, you see how excited they get when they're like, look, I'm American too.
Look, I have the accessories.
I have the bangles.
tim pool
They're chanting USA at the convention, waving American flags, and outside they're burning American flags.
libby emmons
They're burning them, yeah.
Yeah, we have a reporter out there.
I think you guys had a reporter out there, too.
tim pool
I think Ilad's there.
libby emmons
Yeah, and it's madness what's going on outside.
And if you were at the RNC, there weren't mad protests in the street.
unidentified
There was a protest march.
libby emmons
There was like a little bit, but there was nothing like this.
Nothing like, you know, screaming that Joe Biden is going to have plenty of time on his hands, screaming about Kamala Harris, screaming about foreign wars.
I mean, it's absolutely ludicrous too, the thing that they're most upset about.
Because you have a lot of conservatives who are upset about Israel, and they basically are like, We don't want to fund foreign wars.
We don't think America has any place in this war.
Okay, that makes some sense.
You have Democrats out there screaming about this war, saying, we want to fund the terrorists more.
It's like, what's going on?
That's just insane.
raymond g stanley-jr
It says a lot about them.
They're very shallow, very materialistic.
They'll wear a pussy hat, pardon the language, but they wear hats like that.
And they wear this and this virtual signaling.
They think that's going to get them across because for them, a little tiny bit like that means a lot.
libby emmons
And they're also like screaming about, you know, abortion rights is rights for Gaza.
And it's like, abortion is very illegal in Gaza.
tim pool
I'm sorry, but this is a Simpsons joke.
This is literally a Simpsons joke.
unidentified
When Kang and Kodos took over Bob Dolan... Twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
tim pool
Bob Dolan, Bill Clinton got taken over by aliens.
Their bodies were taken over by aliens.
And I can't remember, I think it was like alien Bill Clinton or whatever was like, no abortions for any, or no, like abortions for all.
And they go, boo.
And he goes, abortions for everyone, boo.
And then he goes, abortions for some, tiny American flags for everyone else.
And they go, yay.
And they cheer.
This is what Democrats think.
They're like, just put it, put a camo hat on.
And now the Southern pro-lifers are going to vote for you.
paul dans
It normally goes, in my mind, a camo hat, hand in glove with two-way rights.
So I think it's very weird to try to take one from the rest.
And certainly if you're looking at the Democrats, this is the gun grab, mandatory.
I mean, Kamala's been very clear, Kamala rather, been very clear about mandatory gun buybacks.
tim pool
I mean, this is no different than Blackface, if you ask me.
libby emmons
Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
raymond g stanley-jr
I am offended.
As of West Virginia, living here now, it's very hated.
tim pool
That's right.
Everyone agrees that, you know, this is... Actually, I'm kidding.
But what's funny is they're going to Chicago and getting urban liberals like Brooklynite Ella to wear this camo hat to, like, make it seem like they're Southern conservative or something.
raymond g stanley-jr
Are they going to buy back the guns in Chicago?
tim pool
Instead of actually getting, I don't know, some Southern conservatives.
libby emmons
Also, the other thing with gun buybacks is you buy back somebody's gun.
This was happening, I think, in New York, if I recall.
Gang members were turning in their guns, getting money, and then going to buy better guns.
tim pool
Well, there was one funny story where they did a gun buyback, so a guy 3D printed a bunch of guns and then sold them to the government.
raymond g stanley-jr
He made a lot of money.
He made a couple grand.
tim pool
Yeah, is that what it was?
He was 3D printing them, and they were like, alright, a gun's a gun.
He's like, man, I can make these things for like $3.
And there you go.
I don't know if the Democrats have any actual strategy.
I mean, we know they have no campaign positions, and now Rolling Stone is just being like, well, they're wearing camouflage hats.
unidentified
Are they planning to lose?
tim pool
Is this it?
Is Trump really just going to win?
libby emmons
I don't know.
I mean, it depends on if all the vibe people vibe their way right over to the ballot box and actually vote.
I mean, that's really going to be the most telling moment.
How compelled are these people going to feel?
tim pool
You know, I do have that emotional reaction in me just wanting the economy to collapse so I can rub their faces in it.
But, you know, unlike Bill Maher, I won't call for a recession to win an election.
paul dans
Well, I think it is, to be fair.
I don't want to cut.
I mean, nobody wants to believe more than Trump's going to win than I do.
But, you know, the reality is that the last seven weeks have been a marked change, really.
You know, we came out from obviously almost five weeks ago, the president being shot to, you know, the trend lines
crossing right now. And certainly, you know, she leads in the
popular vote tallies on Real Clear Politics. So, you know, you have
to step back and say, how did we get here in the first place?
Like, why is Kamala even the candidate? And there have been some serious miscues with the Trump campaign. So, like, in
unidentified
fact, it seems to be improving, though. It's improved in the
paul dans
last week, I think. But you know, we have to be real that there was no plan in place here to meet up with her. And
there has been a lot of ground loss.
ian crossland
What do you think are the miscues? Some of the miscues?
paul dans
I think the fundamental one is kind of overplaying Biden and pushing him off the stage.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's like Trump beat Biden too fast.
paul dans
They took the Democrat bait, the campaign did.
And, you know, like anytime, anywhere, you know, throw down a debate.
It's like, no, actually, you debate after he's locked in as the candidate.
And the campaign was arrogant.
You know, you look at this.
You know, there's an article in the Atlantic, right?
The campaign apparently did six months letting the Atlantic behind backstage.
Now the Atlantic is owned by Steve Jobs's widow, right?
She gives like a hundred million dollars to the Democrats.
So it's very odd when you're working with the left to You know, write stories about you and kind of give them, let your hair down with the Atlantic.
But if you go back and read that article, Tim Alberta on July 10th, the campaign's basically saying, no, no, no, we're very confident Joe is going to be sticking in this.
In fact, there's $250 million that's impossible for them to shift.
Well, Democrats figure out how to shift that in an afternoon.
So that was just a gross miscalculation.
libby emmons
Yeah, I've been thinking about that too, like it was really a mistake to go through with that debate.
paul dans
Well, you know, people advised to do it and, and, you know, people didn't put brakes on it.
And, and if you don't have a plan in place, then it's a major mistake.
But then you kind of move on to like, how did we dissipate all this goodwill about the, you know, essentially the concern about the assassination?
How did that get moved off the front page?
libby emmons
Well, that got moved off the front page because as soon as Trump got almost assassinated, they kicked Biden off the ticket and inserted Kamala.
So the Democrats just grabbed the news cycle.
As soon as that happened, they grabbed the news cycle, almost as though they had been planning to grab it all along in that moment.
paul dans
Yeah, one mistake triggers the next basically.
libby emmons
But I mean Trump also and his campaign like they launched their campaign so early that it felt like the right time to have a debate in June.
All of the other candidates were Off the table, you know, everybody had been cleared out.
The Democrats refused to allow anybody to challenge Biden, even though there were good reasons to, you know, they locked out basically Dean Phillips and RFK Jr.
So it's like the whole thing got so accelerated that it was easy, I think, to forget about the actual electoral timeline, which, you know, you could say was Yeah, sometimes I think you just have to be silent and stand back and let your opponent collapse.
paul dans
And that's what Joe Biden was doing.
If you remember, there was a period there, well, it happened post-debate, but like, there was kind of a countdown to see whether he would even be the candidate.
And, you know, instead of just letting that happen, they stepped in with other news.
I mean, one, they took a shot at Project 2025.
That kind of gets the base going because that, you know, again, they're taking the kind of the trap that the left has set for them.
With Project 2025, 90% of that's misinformation from the left.
The stuff they say is in Project 2025 is not in Project 2025.
But to kind of denigrate that and knock it kind of shows, you know, a political misjudgment.
libby emmons
Well, they certainly count on people not reviewing it and not looking at it for themselves.
And also the way that the left presents their information, like, you know, they're involved with the Center for American Progress, and we were talking about it before the show, the Center for American Progress didn't publish 900 pages of policy.
They have a website that's really hard to navigate in terms of like, if you're trying to, it's easy to navigate, but if you're trying to find actual information, it's very difficult to find it.
tim pool
Yeah, we call that Project Special, okay?
libby emmons
Yeah, very effective.
tim pool
They're going to ban Xin.
raymond g stanley-jr
I love that serial.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, Tim Walton, Minnesota's got a 95% tax on Zin.
libby emmons
Oh, yeah.
Is that right?
tim pool
Yep.
It's on all nicotine products.
So Zin is taxed at 95%.
libby emmons
Well, there's tobacco.
Cigarettes are really expensive in so many parts of the country, like Chicago.
You know, I was reading an article about that.
And in New York, of course, they're very expensive.
San Francisco.
paul dans
Yeah.
I mean, to get back to what you're saying about the Center for American Progress, why is Project 2025 different?
Why are we operating in the light and they're operating in the darkness?
I mean, you have to kind of step back and say, how do we even get to a place where men are using women's bathrooms and playing sports?
libby emmons
I can tell you exactly how we got there because I watched it happen.
paul dans
Over 50 years, but it was basically allowing a permanent government class to operate in Washington and not bring the rest of the country into this government.
So shows like this tell people what's actually going on, but We're not going to change it until people listening to this show come and work in Washington.
So that was really the whole promise of Project 2025, is to recruit an entire cadre of people to come and make change in Washington who aren't part of this permanent government class.
And you can't do a big recruiting effort without talking about it.
Now, the ideas, you know, why?
To be fair, Heritage Foundation's put out a book for the last 50 years almost.
This is not anything new.
What is new, to Ian's point, is that it's actually organized at this point.
This is 110 groups coming together and Simpatico rowing in the same direction, thousands of volunteers, and it's threatening.
What's in that book, what these folks have been learning about, is really the deconstruction of the administrative state.
This is the antidote to really the deep state.
And really that is the threat of the whole thing.
So, you know, in the point is that a lot of these ideas should be embraced, not everything in there.
This is a kind of a wish list, but it was a coming together of conservatives way in advance of the presidential
election in 2022 for that matter.
And certainly it allowed various candidates to figure out if they wanted to go to a conservative route, this is where
you should be.
And that was that was the promise of the book.
But the book also serves as the whole project does to teach people about the government.
Our side never systematically focused on how we can take control of the administrative state.
And unless people learn and commit to coming to serve, nothing's going to change.
tim pool
Let's jump to this post from Cliff Maloney.
Panic mode for Kamala.
Democrat mail-in requests on this date in 2020 versus 2024.
It's down 28.5% in Philadelphia.
In Allegheny, which is Pittsburgh, it's down 17.14%.
A major blow to Democrats' strategy of running up the score.
If we take a look at the betting odds, it is now even, dead even.
When you aggregate them all together, it is Trump 49.3 to Harris 49.3.
Polly Market actually has Donald Trump up above Harris, and Newsweek has it.
Donald Trump's odds of winning election rise after DNC start.
The more Democrats talk about what they want to do, why they're angry, the more they lose people.
This is why Kamala's not giving interviews.
It's why they want to run the basement campaign.
They do better when they shut up and hide, but they can't.
It would be too strange and eventually it would stop working.
I doubt Kamala's going to do any real interviews.
She's going to do the one debate.
We'll see how that goes.
I got a feeling Trump is going to obliterate her.
libby emmons
Yeah, well, she doesn't have much to say and she doesn't know how to use words in a way that actually delivers information.
tim pool
She's going to say, look, I'm going to get in there and fix the economy.
And Trump's going to go, you're in there now.
And she has no answer.
libby emmons
Right.
And she's also just going to keep repeating the same phrases.
She might even talk about, you know, unburdening herself from what might have been, which of course means Joe Biden and her entire record to date.
tim pool
Not from what might have been.
Unburdening herself from what has been.
libby emmons
What has been.
Yeah.
What has been.
But yeah, I mean, when you look at when you look at what's going on with the DNC and with Kamala's allies, and you realize that the DNC put out a platform that was for Joe Biden, they haven't put out a platform that includes any of Kamala Harris's ideas.
That was very intentional.
They said so that that's intentional.
You have Democrat congressman coming out and saying that it's better that there's no platform that's specifically for Kamala because it allows her to stay vague.
CNN said the same thing.
You have allies and advisors telling her not to do interviews, not to do debates.
You have Pete Buttigieg saying, you know, don't give an interview on Fox.
Don't give a debate on Fox.
You know, he said that directly to the New York Times that he doesn't want her to do that.
So she's getting the advice that she should, you know, not speak to press.
The most press she's taken— It's good advice.
It's like a couple of questions when she's outside of her airplane or something like that.
tim pool
And they've not gone well for her.
libby emmons
And they have not gone well for her.
That's correct.
Yeah.
Because she doesn't have any answers.
She doesn't have any policies.
She doesn't have any plans.
She just has a camo hat.
raymond g stanley-jr
She likes Venn diagrams.
She's very good at Venn diagramming.
libby emmons
Right?
We should do a nice little...
paul dans
Yeah, when she launched one first foray into talking about policy, she did the price controls thing.
unidentified
And even the left... The left destroyed that concept.
libby emmons
And the housing plans, which are really disastrous.
paul dans
What are those?
tim pool
Oh yeah, the tax credit got a bunch of financial influencers political.
There's a few people that I watch periodically on various social media and they talk about finance, investment, property values, and they don't talk politics ever.
As soon as Kamala was like, we're gonna do a $25,000 grant for first-time homebuyers, they were just like, Yeah, it's a terrible idea.
It's going to instantly spike the price of homes.
libby emmons
It'll drive prices up.
It'll reduce supply.
Everything will go badly.
tim pool
Yep.
raymond g stanley-jr
There's no way a communist is going to make it to the president of the United States.
Not anytime soon.
I can't see that happening.
tim pool
It's not about them being a communist.
It's about them saying whatever they have to say to win power.
And, you know, Kamala may not intentionally try to invoke communism, but she's going to be doing things like, vote for me and I'll give you money.
ian crossland
Well, I've said it before, and I'm super concerned with electronic voting machines flipping vote tallies behind the scenes.
I don't know how to combat that in real time.
It's like the definition of insanity, according to Einstein, was you do the same thing over and over and you expect a different result.
If you're just going to put your head down and think, more voting is going to solve it.
tim pool
Virginia switched to all paper ballots.
unidentified
Good.
libby emmons
Yeah, that was really smart.
ian crossland
That's a great start.
libby emmons
Everybody should do that.
tim pool
Probably.
Every red state should executive action paper ballots.
Let them sue you over it and then you can run them through the courts like they did to the Trump supporters and just say, no standing, you can't sue me.
ian crossland
Like chain of custody, you got to be able to look at every vote, man.
But even then, like you hand it to somebody who takes it to somebody else who takes it to somebody else.
Like what's the chain of custody?
You trust the people.
That's not a good system because those people can betray you.
The other problem... That concerns me greatly.
tim pool
The other issue is what if there's one person used who votes in multiple different counties?
They're not going to look like, you know, a county in northern Illinois is not going to check a county in southern Illinois.
Southern Illinois John Smith votes, same social security number, votes the same time in Northern.
They added, both numbers get added to the count, total count, and no one's going to grab the ballots from up there and bring them down there.
No one's going to run the names through the system to check to make sure they only voted one time.
ian crossland
When you guys built Project 2025, is it focused on like the administrative, not that it's colluding to flip votes behind the scenes, but if it were, is there some sort of maneuver to investigate?
paul dans
You know, ours was really an examination of the executive branch, so the only department there is the Federal Election Commission.
There's a chapter about that, but in the main, our project didn't look into election integrity and security because, as you were saying earlier, that's essentially a state's issue.
Now, I don't mean to cut off the air of good feeling and the comfort level here, but, like, The reality is that this is the sort of work that needed to be blocked and tackled over the last three, four years, like learning from 2020 and preventing it.
And who does that?
That's the RNC, right?
That's the group that is fundamentally charged with ensuring Um, the election now, if you, if you were following the RNC, Ronna McDaniels got her fourth term and she was supported by, you know, people within the campaign to do that.
The, you know, as a lawyer, I've worked on election integrity, you know, for almost 30 years and, um, kind of in and out of it.
I saw what, what happened post 2020.
It was, it was a wreckage.
Okay.
The work just hadn't been done.
But one thing the RNC did was tell us they had this taken care of.
They were telling you in October 2020, we got this.
And, you know, now they're telling you they got this.
So, um, do they have this?
That's the big question.
And, you know, president Trump's like, Hey, I can get the voters.
You guys take care of this.
Hasn't been taken care of.
You know, a lot of people on the ground, a lot of the few things that have been done are being done at the grassroots level by volunteers.
And I don't think the resources have been moved out to really tackle this.
We have not, you know, filed 200 cases.
There is no counterpart to Mark Elias on our side.
And, you know, Mark Elias is the Democrat mastermind who came up with, he's a lawyer from Perkins Coie out on his own, but basically is their chief guy.
He, among other things, he was also involved in the Project 2025 misinformation campaign.
But this guy is, you know, a very formidable adversary, very smart, and he managed to really
break open and rig the 2020 election systematically.
So I think that we need to put all forces into ensuring here at this 11th hour that
we can have some election integrity.
Yeah, yeah.
It's by no means, you know, I wouldn't get too comfy about it right now.
ian crossland
No, I'm not comfortable at all that a foreign corporation is overseeing our elections and tallying votes behind the scenes with proprietary software.
Like, that's insane.
Insane.
paul dans
The very suggestion that You know, the algorithms, the way they count votes could be proprietary, is to me one of the most offensive of all legal concepts.
But they've managed to do that in the various case laws, because we've never mounted an adequate challenge to that.
And this kind of goes back to what we were earlier talking about.
There's a huge imbalance in big law of conservatives and incapable attorneys.
Certainly, you know, there are a lot of good conservative attorneys, but they don't have the resources behind them.
So we as a movement really need to get those folks engaged.
ian crossland
If we were going to do that, which we are, would we then do it at the state level with attorneys general?
paul dans
That's where some of the best work comes from, obviously.
You look at a superhero like Ken Paxton, right?
That guy, he did more for the movement than many across, but like those folks need to be empowered.
But look, A lot of the people who are the electors, the attorneys who brought these suits, they're getting disbarred.
They're facing financial ruin.
A lot of these people, some people are even in prison.
They have like four members of the RNC, I think, who are under indictment.
What are we doing to protect them?
libby emmons
Yeah, in Arizona, there's that's going on.
paul dans
Like, this is the party has to come and support these people.
And like, because a lot of this is fear.
What they want you to do is every good lawyer stand down.
They don't want you to pipe up because they're going to strip you of your career if you go to fight.
And that's really what the next generation of election interference is, is to dissuade anyone from getting out there.
libby emmons
That's like what's going on in the UK right now with the free speech problems.
It's like, I saw a report from the National Review, I think, today.
That was talking about how there are judges who will sentence people to years, months in prison for Facebook comments, but they'll let off people who are convicted of having a bunch of horrible child exploitation images.
And these judges will say like, oh, you just you just need to go outside and meet people to the child exploiters.
And then to the person who makes a Facebook post, like there was this 53 year old woman, she's the sole caretaker for her disabled husband.
She said like, you know, she said something very unlike, you know, that you wouldn't like to say on Facebook.
But she's getting 15 months in prison for what she said on Facebook, which seems insane no matter what you say.
You know, she wasn't making direct threats.
She doesn't have any capability.
paul dans
No, they're making an example out of her.
libby emmons
But it's not just her.
They're doing it to multiple people, locking them up for a speech.
paul dans
There's similar stories where they actually announced they're going to be letting people out of the UK prisons.
libby emmons
Exactly.
They're going to be letting people out to lock up people who said things online.
Yeah, early they're putting into place this early release program, but it is true.
I think what you say about the it has been shocking to see like all of the lawyers who were indicted in the Georgia Rico case, you know, those people are having their lives ruined a bunch of people pled out so that they wouldn't have to like face ruin from it.
Well, in Arizona, I think a lot of the electors are getting indicted.
They got indicted there.
Wisconsin, I think, and some other places.
And it does seem like a real fear tactic so that it's like the codification of the whole, you know, kind of like, Me Too anti-racist era, where if you say something, you get canceled and lose your job.
Now it's in the legal system.
paul dans
Yeah, no, we as a movement, we have to support and indemnify these people.
And, you know, also what they've done here in, you know, Fannie Willis, that prosecution fell apart because these good lawyers were defending themselves.
libby emmons
They're the ones who uncovered her illicit Yeah, one of the guys who she indicted was the one who uncovered her misdeeds.
paul dans
Exactly.
So, you know, these folks are warriors in the movement.
And that's really part of what, you know, Project 2025 is.
We used to call ourselves a coalition of the canceled, but these are the true believers.
These are the people who've really laid it on the line.
What the left wants to do is extinguish that feeling for really giving.
And it's dangerous because we're outnumbered out there.
raymond g stanley-jr
Going back to what Tim was talking about, what he showed up there, that less Democrats are doing mail-in ballots, voting, and whatnot.
But just remember, Pennsylvania came out on August 8th that they let everyone know, by the way, the Pennsylvania State Department let everyone know that it might take days to count the election.
Like, so you know, it might take us a minute.
unidentified
It's a lie.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
It's a lie.
libby emmons
Well, Ron DeSantis called them out on that, too.
tim pool
Many other countries just do it.
What happens is, you've got a voting station, the votes come in, there's not that many, they count them and then report the vote count to the higher-ups.
You have a decentralized network of people counting ballots, that's why all these other countries do it in a day.
That night, they're like, we got the full numbers.
It's in.
ian crossland
You need to do that, well at least it seems like you need to do that, because if you let them give you numbers and segments, then you know how many you need to circumvent the outcome you don't want ahead of time.
tim pool
If all the results are decentralized and come in at the same time, and you report once they're in, you can't control the outcome.
If you say, give us a few days to go through it, Now you know where votes are needed to be added.
raymond g stanley-jr
It's the number one state too.
That's why PA, you know, I don't know, shadiness, I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong, but they're letting people know that it might take days so they might just come in with the old fortification.
paul dans
I spent the last three election cycles in Allegheny County in Pennsylvania, right?
That's Pittsburgh.
And it was interesting for many reasons.
One, obviously, that's an old-school Democratic area, right?
Pennsylvania, they talk about it forming a T with essentially all the states red except for Philly and Pittsburgh and kind of this axis in between.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yes, Harrisburg area.
paul dans
Harrisburg and Cutting Down, the T being the blue.
What was interesting there is, you know, when we were in 16, you could feel this kind of groundswell.
These were traditional Democrats who were like, I want Trump, you know, they were feeling it, right?
And it was breaking out all over.
You could just, if you talk to the waitress, if you talk to the cop on the street, this is the feeling.
2020, middle, I went out there again, kind of knocking on doors, helping the organization.
Sixteen hours working in the legal war room for the Trump campaign.
But in 2020, totally different thing.
You know, people were cloistered because of COVID, not as big a thing.
You know, fast forward to 2022, we were staying at a hotel and there was a group of kind of Republican door knockers and organizers.
And there was one small segment of Democrats there at oddly the same hotel.
Well, we're planning election days, the big thing, right?
We're all moving out, make sure these people got out, running up to it.
By election day, the two people who were there were packed up and left.
Their work had been done.
Like, they had already sewed up the election by the morning of, and they had it all calculated.
So it was very clear that we were playing checkers out there, and they were playing chess.
To think that Pennsylvania, I see the numbers now, but that doesn't give me the hopium right now because they are very good at innovating at the next level.
ian crossland
You're saying that the people that were collecting votes?
paul dans
They had basically done a vote collection scheme and we were doing the door knocking vote day of thing.
Like we were actually going around to, oh, this is a hard R, you know, we just need to make sure that they get out to vote and you'd go, Other people were ballot harvesting.
They were ballot harvesting.
They had done their harvesting.
You know, oddly enough, I was kind of riding the circuit for legal reasons.
You kind of go around and see where something's developing at a precinct or whatnot.
And, you know, I was like, I want to go to Steel Mill.
I want to actually see like, you know, the flash dance kind of thing where like people, the actual thing's still going on.
So we got to this town.
Believe it or not, it's Fetterman's town, right?
We were driving through Fetterman's town.
libby emmons
It is the tiniest little town, right?
paul dans
Rolled up to a precinct and there was a woman there basically with a clipboard who could tell you whether everybody in town had come or not.
They basically were vacuuming up the votes.
unidentified
Wow.
paul dans
And so if you see that level of organization, and that was just a little anecdote that I personally witnessed.
I would be very wary about Pennsylvania.
I mean, I went out to Butler, Pennsylvania, where the president was shot.
That was the most amazing rally in 2020.
It was so awesome.
The Osprey helicopters came in there at twilight.
Very surreal experience.
Their planes fortunate son, and it was just these choppers coming in
across the setting, son.
President Trump gave really a barnraiser of a speech that night and
barnburner of a speech, and just great enthusiasm, right?
Like, we got this.
And sure enough, you know, we didn't have it.
tim pool
What do you think the plan, what do you think Democrats' shadow campaign plan is this time?
paul dans
I think it's the illegal aliens. I think that the 20 million or whoever, you know,
the last election was decided by 70, 80,000 among certain states.
Think about just the numbers that could get registered through.
The motor voter law passed out, signed up for ballots, harvested.
My former colleague Mike Howell at the Heritage Foundation Oversight Project has done great work on this, but they showed a real estate condominium apartment complex in suburban Atlanta, basically filled with illegals.
I think they measured about 18% of the people were registered to vote.
tim pool
And what happens then is the election is called for Kamala.
Several months later, investigators start pointing out on various podcasts and social media that they've uncovered another batch of 736 votes that came from illegal aliens.
And the courts don't care.
They say you have no standing.
The election's over.
We'll just do it next time.
Next time, file a suit.
ian crossland
What's the motor voter laws?
paul dans
That was one of the seminal things.
I believe it was under Clinton, but basically when you go to get your driver's license, under federal law, the various states have to make it available for you to register a vote at the same time.
So it's check a box.
Now, in some cases, the box is already checked for you.
But this was a great way of, in theory, getting more people to register to vote.
But there's no one way to see whether someone's a citizen and has the right to vote.
And that's the problem.
So now you hear these anecdotal stories about clerks at DMV basically signing up everybody.
Right now, if you go to Pennsylvania and you're illegal, you can get a driving permit.
And you can avail yourself of this law.
libby emmons
There's illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas.
I mean, it's not just a blue state issue.
It's across the board.
paul dans
This is the real threat right now to clearing out the voting rolls because, you know, North Carolina, the absentee ballots get mailed out two weeks from now, September 6th.
libby emmons
Well, and you also have all of these cases where there's illegal immigrants who are likely scheduled to vote, but anytime there's an investigation or anytime, like, Ken Paxton is trying to bring it up, right?
Or you have another great attorney general in Missouri, Andrew Bailey, right?
So anytime it gets brought up, you have the big Democrat foundations going in and suing everybody.
And they just bring suit after suit and these injunctions go in.
And it's very difficult to get past that.
We see that with the trans stuff, you know?
The lawsuits are just rampant.
paul dans
And that's something, a passion of mine, that I may turn to is really standing up a public interest firm for the right that is going to really take on a lot of this litigation.
tim pool
You'll have to be the right wings, Mark Elias.
paul dans
Hey, I'm ready to go to work.
My big case was Chevron Ecuador, which if you don't know about that, that was a decades long saga, but it was with New York City lawyers, plaintiff lawyers, progressives who sued Chevron, which was had acquired Texaco for environmental damage down in
Ecuador. But essentially what it was was a faked up lawsuit where they planned to ultimately bring a
27 billion dollar judgment against Chevron and extort them into a settlement. They went to the court
down in Ecuador and soup to nuts made up.
He hired the judge.
They wrote his opinion in Boulder, Colorado, in English.
They translated it into Spanish.
They passed it off on the zip drive in the middle of the jungle and wanted to basically enforce this against Chevron.
I came into the case, they had brought along a documentary film crew to basically film this whole thing and put pressure, develop like a Michael Moore type documentary that would put pressure on Chevron to settle.
And what happened was they filmed 600 hours over two years for a two hour movie.
I came in with a crew and basically we sued for those outtakes, the 598 hours, where they
filmed themselves doing all kinds of nefarious things.
Wow.
We were able to basically unravel this massive fraud.
That's crazy.
But at every juncture, it was such a great learning lesson because one, they were extremely
wily and hard to pin down, very resourceful, and they knew at some point the truth would
catch up with them.
But that was never their game.
Their game was to outrun you to as long as possible.
libby emmons
That's what the Democrats are doing now?
paul dans
That's exactly their modus operandi.
And in the Chevron case, you had a company that was committed to the lawsuit, which had very deep pockets, but it was not an easy legal case for us to bring.
But the reality is that we don't have that compliment right now.
We do not have the Mark Elias of the right and we need that.
And when and until we get serious, like we don't need another TV ad.
We need actual competent lawyers being, you know, remunerated for their time and also told that they're going to be indemnified and be taken care of, you know, so we're not having electors dragged off to prison.
And so, you know, basically, again, this is why the left has lost their minds about Project 2025, because we organized it.
We actually got together and got rolling in the same direction.
We have to do that on the legal front.
ian crossland
Yeah, what got a lot of these electors hauled off to prison exactly?
paul dans
You know, it's left-wing attorney generals getting elected with concocted legal theories, I think, and just the basic, you know, it's malicious... It's really, really simple.
tim pool
The left uses the threat of violence and goes and kidnaps people and locks them in boxes.
There's nothing else to it.
The idea that it's a legal theory, I think, is just a bit too sympathetic to what they're doing.
When they tell cops to go to someone's house and lock them in a box, and the cops go, you got it, and don't care, and there's no law behind it, it's effectively just gang warfare.
Donald Trump didn't break any laws.
Donald Trump didn't abuse or assault anybody.
He didn't defraud any businesses.
New York just ordered men with guns to go and drag them into a box.
ian crossland
But what's the argument that they made?
That's my question more specifically.
Like, what was their argument?
paul dans
Yeah, well, they first they start with the rhetoric.
They frame it as fake electors, right?
This is fake.
This is a false certification.
But like Tim was saying earlier, this is what they did in Hawaii in 1960.
this is what they did in, I forget, like 1870s, you know, the disputed...
raymond g stanley-jr
76.
paul dans
That ended Reconstruction, 76.
Yeah.
I mean, like, this is all the way through American history.
tim pool
It's how you have to do it.
paul dans
There's no other way to do it.
Yeah, exactly.
But, you know, we have an American history deficit here, and, you know, that's the thing
with malicious prosecution.
You bring a case that does, like all these Trump cases are fake, right?
They don't actually have a legal basis underneath them.
But just the machinery of dragging somebody into court, going through that, not only wears them down psychologically and financially, but also gives some credence to the fake allegation in the first place that you're abiding by this process.
tim pool
This is why I gave the example of Ticketmaster.
If you and I are a single purchaser of tickets, and Ticketmaster is a company, Ticketmaster does not care at all what our dispute is between us over who owes whose money.
That makes no sense to them.
So when Georgia, for instance, has Democrat and Republican electors, the Democrats win the election, Governor certifies them, sends them to the federal government.
The Republicans then say, well, we're in a dispute here.
The federal government says, don't care.
If you don't submit your paperwork by the 14th, you did not submit your paperwork.
There's no coordination and negotiation between two separate legal jurisdictions.
So what happens is, the Republicans say, OK, fill out the paperwork and submit it.
Then, if the judge rules in our favor, we inform the government that the actual certification will be the Republicans, not the Democrats.
That's what they did in Hawaii in 1960.
That's the only way you can do it.
If the Republicans do not submit the paperwork, then when the court rules actually the Republicans win, the federal government says, too bad, you didn't submit your paperwork by the deadline, so you didn't submit your paperwork.
So when the Republicans do submit the paperwork, pending adjudication, the Democrats in the state then order police officers to go and, with the threat of force and violence against these people, arrest them.
ian crossland
And the paperwork was to say, hold up?
libby emmons
The paperwork was filing saying, Michigan delegates go for Trump.
ian crossland
They're supposed to do that, but then state attorneys went and arrested them for doing what they were supposed to do?
libby emmons
Right, because the idea is that, so here's what happened.
So you had electors, so let's, okay, let's just pick a state.
I don't know what the states are, but let's just pick a state like Pennsylvania.
So I don't think they did an electors, an alternate electors there, but let's say Pennsylvania.
So Pennsylvania was called for Biden.
Trump says, and this is hypothetical, Trump says, let's do a recount.
Right?
So as the recount request is going through the courts, the Trump campaign says, if we get a recount and we are successful, and it turns out we won, we're going to need to tell the Electoral College that Pennsylvania goes for Trump.
So we're going to need to have electors to say, hey, Electoral College, we're the electors.
We go for Trump.
Pennsylvania goes for Trump.
So essentially what happened was there were two sets of electors, one for Biden, one for Trump.
And whichever candidate was declared the winner of Pennsylvania after this hypothetical recount, those electors would have said, you know, it's us, it's our candidate.
tim pool
The governor certified the Democrats.
The Republicans submit the paperwork because they were in active lawsuits.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
If the judges said, wow, the Democrats actually didn't win.
They would then inform the federal government that this state is hereby certifying the Republican and disqualifying the Democrat.
libby emmons
Because they would still have to get it in by the deadline.
tim pool
If the Republicans don't submit the electors by the deadline, which I think was December 14th or 16th or something like this, then the federal government says, you didn't submit your paperwork.
So, bye!
We already got our electors.
This is exactly what happened in 1960.
Both sets were submitted.
The judge ruled.
The Democrat actually won, not the Republicans.
And so, Nixon, as VP, decided, without certification, he would just choose to count the votes for JFK instead.
ian crossland
And so this happened in a state, there were two sets of electors decided, and the police or the law went after one of the electors?
tim pool
That's happening right now in a bunch of states.
They're arresting lawyers too.
paul dans
Arizona, Michigan, you know, and that's, it also leads into what happened on J6, because that was the constitutionally ordained process to basically sort through these alternate slates of electors.
That's a process where the, when there is dissent, That they break into the bicameral houses and actually have, I think it was like two hours of debate.
So they were set to be basically arguing about the election, you know, presenting to and of Fro basically for the next 18 hours or something that day.
But for the intrusion into the Capitol that shut that whole process down, we might have seen a different result in the election.
So that begs the question of who had the motive to shut that down?
And that's really the important, the elemental aspect of the Fed's erection that transpired that day.
To the credit of Darren Beatty there at Revolver News that's really broken a lot of this, but you know, it's come into the consciousness that why was there such an impetus to shut down the events that were going on in Congress?
ian crossland
And so they potentially, conspiratorially, potentially incited their own thing so they didn't have to go through the votes.
paul dans
Yeah, exactly.
I think the reporting came out this week that the pipe bombs, you know, the supposed pipe bombs that were placed at the DNC and the RNC were ultimate fallbacks for, you know, also disrupting the process.
ian crossland
You can pull that word.
paul dans
Yeah, there was a good reason.
A lot of people had a lot of interest in stopping, you know, the process that day, and it was not MAGA.
ian crossland
What happened though, after that happened, after the whatever, the intrusion into the Capitol, then did they just like declare a martial law across the country and give authority, the opportunity to go arrest random electors against No, each attorney general did it themselves.
tim pool
There's no authority to do it.
There's zero authority to do it.
There's zero authority to have arrested Trump in any one of these cases.
Zero authority.
It is crazy world.
Donald Trump was arrested without due process.
He was charged for a crime that lists in the charging documents, quote, another crime.
There's literally no crime by which Trump was charged for.
And then they convicted him for nothing in New York.
So this literally means that police officers and the government under threat of force against Trump said, come here or else.
And when Trump goes there, it's the guys in uniform with guns that are illegally holding him there.
They should all be in prison.
And I hope and I pray that each and every one of them goes to prison.
I hope Donald Trump is the psycho dictator that Democrats claim he's going to be.
And as soon as he's president, he says, each and every one of these law enforcement officers that arrested the electors and lawyers, you will be indicted on criminal charges for violations of constitutional rights, which is a crime at the federal level.
And we will send FBS, we will send law enforcement to your homes and drag you out in front of your children to watch because you are the scumbags burning this country down.
ian crossland
It was against constitutional law.
But was it okay with the state law?
tim pool
There is no law allowing them to do this.
None.
They are making it up.
Donald Trump's charging documents in the 34 counts say, quote, another crime.
There's nothing listed.
libby emmons
They never listed the other crimes.
ian crossland
Particularly the electors.
libby emmons
OK, so the electors, the attorney generals.
tim pool
Fraud and obstruction or something?
libby emmons
They say fraud, they say, you know, forging documents and stuff like that.
They've made up a whole bunch of charges.
paul dans
It was at the very end when the judge, I believe, was giving the jury instructions.
He kind of gave this smorgasbord... Oh, you mean in the New York case?
In the New York case, yeah.
unidentified
I got it.
raymond g stanley-jr
Impersonating political public officials, racketeering, forgery, state crimes, fraudulent efforts to reverse election results.
tim pool
These are all fake.
So you vote for an elector.
These are electoral slates.
These are people running to be the elector of the state.
They are candidates.
They are nominees, whatever.
When the votes come in, the governor certifies which slate will be sent to cast their votes.
And then the votes are cast, what, sometime in December?
Then the votes are sent to Congress to count.
The vice president comes in and counts them.
The only thing that should have happened is that Pence should have said, I'm going to count the ones that were certified by the governors.
And in my opinion, if the state legislatures filed a dispute and sent a letter to the VP saying, we are in dispute and we reject the certification by the governor, then the VP has no choice but to say, I can't count either of these because there's a dispute between the branches of the state.
But in this regard, let's just say Mike Pence says, we're going to count the certified electors.
I'm not going to be involved in whatever else is going on.
End of story.
All he has then is paperwork filed administratively that means nothing, and then you ignore it.
libby emmons
Which was the appropriate thing to do.
tim pool
They arrested Trump's lawyers.
There is no authority.
There is none.
And I will stress again, we can look at racketeering, fraud, whatever garbled nonsense.
ian crossland
Impersonation of a public official, but they are public officials.
tim pool
Well, they're running for it to be the electors, and they're saying, I hereby swear that I am the elector for the Republican, we will be voting for Trump, and it's all because we're waiting for a judge to issue a ruling.
And all you have to do in that capacity is just say, no, look, the judge ruled against you, so these are now disqualified, these are void, but thank you for filing.
That's it, that's all that happened, that's all that happened.
Why did they arrest Trump's lawyers?
In Wisconsin, I think they arrested two of them.
In Georgia, they arrested several.
Jenna Ellis, I'm not a fan of hers.
Why was she criminally charged under RICO in these cases?
raymond g stanley-jr
Not Wisconsin.
Real quick, it says here that it's only in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, and Nevada.
tim pool
No, no, no, Trump's lawyers were recently charged.
raymond g stanley-jr
I'm sorry, I don't want to say electors.
tim pool
I'm saying they charged Trump's lawyers.
When they start arresting Trump's lawyers for literally providing constitutionally protected legal service, you are well outside the realm of any kind of legal jurisdiction or authority.
And I will stress this again, when it came to the 34 counts in Stormy Daniels' case, they said falsification of business records, quote, another crime.
When the jury was given instructions, the judge said, you don't need to be unanimous on what another crime means, which is unconstitutional, unquestionably.
Now they're saying that they're going to send Trump to prison on the 18th of September.
The theory is that they're going to stay as imprisonment on bail, pending appeal, but that way they will say Donald Trump is a convicted felon sentenced to prison.
And it's fake charges.
It's completely fake.
There is zero authority.
And why aren't we seeing any red states doing the same thing?
If the Democrats make up fake authorities and use non-existent statute to charge Trump, where is anyone else to do it to Kamala right now?
ian crossland
They're probably hoping that we reverse course.
Rather than jump on the bandwagon.
But I think with the tactic would be with Trump it's too much of a hot-button issue emotionally too much of a hot-button issue to try and reverse that right now although it might get reversed.
tim pool
Reverse what?
ian crossland
Reverse course of trying to imprison him for these 34 false counts.
But with the electors that were doing their duty and then they got hit with false impersonation of a government official when that was their their purpose was to be that alternate slate.
tim pool
Just like Hawaii did in 1960.
Yes sir.
ian crossland
That should be at least investigated and potentially overturned.
tim pool
Bro, you're asking people who are beating you mercilessly to play fair.
ian crossland
Well, I'm asking the entire world to take a look at it and make a decision.
tim pool
What's the entire world going to do, invade the United States?
ian crossland
No, no, just listen and make noise about it and explain it.
paul dans
Well, here, with New York coming up, the electors, that's a great injustice.
It's going to have to get rectified.
And we need to provide them the resources to defend themselves right now and talk out against it, and state attorney generals have to intervene, as well as any other interest party.
But the RNC obviously should indemnify these folks, because many of them actually were campaign workers.
These are 70-year-old grandmas and stuff.
It's outrageous.
But with the 18th and the sentencing, that's the quintessence of election interference.
The very fact that you're having a sentencing hearing and basically making the vote for
president a referendum on whether or not Donald Trump goes to prison is quintessential election
unidentified
reference.
paul dans
Well, and what's crazy about it— You know, but to basically get in front of that, that, you
know, we need to go into New York state law and to the—
The Supreme Court and the federal government is going to have to intervene as their purpose is.
doing that.
unidentified
It's not going to happen.
tim pool
The Supreme Court and the federal government is going to have to intervene as their purpose
is.
When the state goes rogue, Bailey is suing New York for interference.
Supreme Court, I imagine, will do nothing.
But the issue is actually right before our eyes.
Donald Trump has been falsely sued on sexual assault claims, which are nonsensical, from 30 years ago.
And they passed a law that allowed her to reopen up statute of limitations so she could do it.
It makes no sense.
The story makes no sense.
They claimed business fraud, even though the people he defrauded said he never defrauded us, he gave us full disclosure.
Said, too bad, we're going to say he did anyway.
libby emmons
And they're charging him $367 million.
tim pool
And he's had to pay $100 million.
Then they criminally charge him for quote, another crime.
This is insanity.
paul dans
And it was quarterbacked by the Biden DOJ and the White House.
tim pool
Who quit his job in the DOJ to go work for a local prosecutor's office.
paul dans
It's the number three in the Biden DOJ who left his job to go and do this suit.
tim pool
He took one of the biggest demotions we've ever seen in the legal system, and it's staring you in the face.
The Democrats win.
You get an installed Kamala Harris no one voted for.
Maybe they vote for her in the general.
She has no campaign positions.
The Democrats in New York are using made-up fake charges and fake law that doesn't exist to try and arrest their political rival.
And what are the Republicans doing?
ian crossland
Well, that's what I'm asking.
tim pool
Arguing.
ian crossland
Paul, like you're saying, you go into New York State law to investigate what exactly?
paul dans
Well, there's mechanisms that they can be appealing right now.
At common law you have, and actually in the New York State statute, what they call Article 78 proceeding, which says that the higher court can basically stop the lower court, say that they're acting outside of the law.
And then join them from doing anything further.
And that's pretty much a slam dunk.
Now you could say, like Tim's saying, look, the whole New York court system is filled with partisans and they're not going to step in front of this.
But at least you can give it a shot.
Because look, New York is the capital of the world, right?
This is where people come to have their economic Wait.
done, but their fallback is because there's a rule of law there. People make billions
of dollars on that. The rest of the world is watching this, and New York is going to
suffer enormous harm economically if the court system doesn't work.
tim pool
We're going to go to Super Chat, so smash the like button, subscribe to the channel,
share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become
a member to support the show, and you'll get access to that members-only call-in show coming
up in just a few minutes, actually, because we went very long, and I think it was important
because this stuff matters.
The degree to which this country has fallen as to what's going on with Trump, we're at the point where a bullet struck the man in the side of the head.
So if you want to talk about how crazy things are getting, it's getting crazy, but let's read your Super Chats.
TokenBlackGuy says, howdy people!
Tim, did you see that O'Keefe is in disguise, the DNC?
I didn't see it!
unidentified
Love it.
tim pool
I didn't see it.
raymond g stanley-jr
I have a picture, I have a picture of it.
O'Keefe, I was thinking of Matt Walsh.
tim pool
No, no, Matt Walsh we saw.
raymond g stanley-jr
Okay, they're all getting down.
tim pool
TheBrianMadigan says, hey Tim, did you know Down Under was found guilty of plagiarism?
Aussie here.
And he says, wasn't badmouthing just pointing out a fact?
raymond g stanley-jr
Wrong!
tim pool
Sure, you're correct, they were found guilty of plagiarism, but it's clearly BS.
The argument was the song Down Under's flute riff sounds too much like some classical song Kookaburra Children's BS.
It's nonsensical, and it besmirches the good name of Men at Work, and I reject it outright.
It's nonsense.
It's utter nonsense.
raymond g stanley-jr
Tim is the number one Men at Work fan in the world, I believe.
ian crossland
We've got a lot of Men at Work playing in this office.
tim pool
Men at Work is the greatest band of this region.
ian crossland
They're fascinatingly awesome.
tim pool
I'm kidding, by the way.
They're actually really great.
I told it to Richie, who's Australian, and he was like, they may be the greatest band.
And I was like, I'm actually just kidding.
They're really good.
And he goes, oh, that's blasphemy.
raymond g stanley-jr
He wanted it.
Yeah.
He wanted you to mean it.
tim pool
Well, in Australia, they are.
They're so good.
Yeah, because they got big in Australia, but became international sensations.
That's a big deal for Australia.
And their network is actually really, really good.
They get great stuff.
Who could it be now?
Come on.
raymond g stanley-jr
Who could it be now?
tim pool
All right, we'll grab some more.
Kayson Womble says, just watched Phil rock it out here in Austin, Texas.
So I'll catch the show later.
Love y'all.
raymond g stanley-jr
Love you, too.
ian crossland
Shout out to Phil Labonte.
tim pool
Shane Barr says, the Trump team needs a TV ad campaign targeting boomer Democrats featuring RFK Jr.
and Tulsi to talk about how this is no longer the party of JFK.
raymond g stanley-jr
Agreed.
I love that.
ian crossland
Yeah, vote Republican, not vote Trump.
Vote Republican.
That's an interesting concept.
Yeah.
tim pool
David Glass says, I knew you would return to the keto family after a few months of carbs.
I recommend guest Dr. Ken Berry and Homestead Howe, PhD Healing Humanity.
Indeed!
Yeah, I just, you know, you know what really got me?
Is I went out to eat and we got tableside guacamole and a big old bowl of sour cream and I was like, honestly, I just really enjoy olive oil.
We went to Barcelona in Reston, Virginia.
It's one of my favorite restaurants.
You guys, shout out if you're in the area, go to Barcelona.
I think it's Wine Bar.
It's a tapas restaurant.
And I'm just like, olive oil, avocado, sour cream, I don't care for the sugar.
Why am I eating carbs at all?
I'm happy doing ketogenic stuff.
So I'm just... Today I had a bunch of chicken and guacamole.
unidentified
Nice.
ian crossland
That's good.
They're gonna buy a bunch of avocados now.
tim pool
Avocados are based.
raymond g stanley-jr
I always have so many avocados.
I shared, I don't know if I'm going to say this, but I shared a super chat for myself from October 25th, 2021.
It was after the first membership meetup, the only time, and a lot of comments I got because you were looking, you know, you were a little thick.
A little thick.
But yeah, it was fun.
It's 2021, you know, but now you're not.
tim pool
See, that's the thing.
I was skating.
And I was just like, I don't know.
I didn't care.
I didn't think about it.
And then after COVID, I was like, I'll do keto.
And then just boom, 30 pounds gone.
Like within a couple months, it was crazy.
I wasn't even thinking about it.
And I just feel better doing keto.
To be fair, at the time when I started doing keto, I was eating a lot of just like salami and cheese dip.
Very unhealthy.
Now I'm having eggs with avocado, olive oil, and, you know, spinach or whatever.
ian crossland
Cutting out the vegetable oils, too.
That is incredible.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
tim pool
Yeah, the seed oils are gone.
ian crossland
I think we're going to end up having a doctor on Culture War, the head leading seed oil expert on Earth, Kate Shanahan, I think.
tim pool
Are we doing that?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
We should definitely.
Yeah.
And we're getting protein bars made because Mark Lobliner was here.
raymond g stanley-jr
That's going through?
tim pool
Oh, he sent me a picture already.
He's like, these are awesome.
They're protein, peanut butter, keto, low sugar.
ian crossland
so amped.
tim pool
Yeah, and he said they taste super good, just the peanut butter bars themselves, and I'm
like, that's what I'm talking about.
But then we're gonna have our own protein bars.
And I told him, I was like, I don't know, I mean, we could sell them, but honestly,
I would just love to have hundreds of them here that we could eat, because we're skating
all the time.
And he was like, bro, we're gonna get it done.
raymond g stanley-jr
Is he gonna call it the Tim Bar, like he said?
tim pool
Tim Bar?
raymond g stanley-jr
No.
Like a tree.
unidentified
Tim Bar!
Right, right.
tim pool
Todd B. says, going to say the dirty word Civil War.
Tim, I pity the person and this country if said person was to attack Trump while he stepped away from bulletproof glass to check and help on someone.
I mean, that would be nuts.
But there was someone there with weapons.
Newsweek reported it.
raymond g stanley-jr
That could be anything.
That could be just a right-wing dude who has weapons in his vehicle.
Any person in general.
tim pool
It's true.
It's true.
OMG Puppy says, bogus job numbers.
Next you'll be telling me that crime has gotten worse.
Again, I'll stress this because Buttigieg was on Fox & Friends and he was like, crime went up under Donald Trump.
I mean, I don't think your viewers know that.
And I'm like, yeah, he's the president of the federal, you know, federal government.
So what were your governors doing?
The crime was in red, was in, and he was like, well, what about Mississippi?
And it's like, dude, yes, fine.
And we criticize all of them.
But what about New York, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle?
Come on, don't give me that.
Minnesota, or I should say Minneapolis.
raymond g stanley-jr
That's like my dad.
He was so mad that Trump did not call in the National Guard during the Summer of Love.
unidentified
Yeah?
raymond g stanley-jr
He's a Democrat.
He's like, why didn't he do that?
Because the world's burned down.
He's like, Raymond, what's up with Trump?
Why didn't he do it?
I'm like, Dad, you know, Amendment 10.
10th Amendment.
You can't do it.
You just can't do what you want in states.
unidentified
Yep.
raymond g stanley-jr
We're a republic.
tim pool
You can invoke the Insurrection Act and call in the National Guard to enforce the law when the law is not being enforced by the local jurisdictions.
So, is that Pete Buttigieg's argument?
Crime went up under Trump?
It's like, sure, Trump should have sent in the National Guard to the Democrat states that refused.
Is that what you're arguing?
Because I'm more than happy to entertain that argument the next time Trump gets in.
raymond g stanley-jr
Amen.
Me too.
tim pool
All right.
Korowag says, Gen Z has been fighting this job market even the last two years of Trump's administration.
The way they report jobs and unemployment is inaccurate.
Why we need an overhaul of the reports and the government that we will never get?
Yeah, because they remove you from the stats if you stop looking for work, I believe, right?
So unemployment numbers go down if people give up.
libby emmons
After a certain period of time, yes.
raymond g stanley-jr
What do they do on the sidelines?
libby emmons
Yeah, because if you drop off the unemployment rolls, then you no longer count as unemployed.
tim pool
Ryan Mikesell says we can use Ian's weather control vibes to sway votes.
ian crossland
That might be possible.
tim pool
Ian will be the vibrarian.
I'm like, I don't know if I want to manipulate nature too much, because like, the Earth kind of knows what it needs, but humans... I'm just imagining Luke and Ian standing outside, and Ian's doing this weird pose, and Luke's going, whoa!
And everyone else is like, those guys are nuts.
raymond g stanley-jr
He's like the Avatar.
ian crossland
You don't even need to move, you just focus.
raymond g stanley-jr
I love it.
tim pool
Let's grab a couple more Super Chats here.
Let's see what we got going on.
Kiabo Bandit says the most genius play the Dems could do is submit around 1 million fake bouts for Trump, and then actually do a full audit and realize Trump stole the election, then install Kamala 5D chess.
That was actually one of our members last night on the Members Only show who mentioned that.
Her fear was the shadow campaign will be, they actually stuff bouts for Trump.
That way, when Trump wins, so they expect Trump to win.
They're going to catch a certain number of fake votes.
Then, when Trump wins, they can say, whoa, we just found a whole bunch of fraudulent votes from Trump.
And then, in Congress, the Democrats refuse to certify, saying the amount of fraudulent votes for Trump that have been found may not overturn the results entirely, but there's enough of them to indicate it may be the case this election is not correct, and therefore we will not certify.
But granted, haven't Democrats rejected every Republican certification going back 30 years?
libby emmons
Yeah.
They rejected the Trump certification.
tim pool
In 2016?
libby emmons
Yeah, like Jamie Raskin freaked out about it.
tim pool
Because he's an insurrectionist.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And a white supremacist.
libby emmons
Both of those things.
Amen.
You know that he's a white supremacist is because he's white.
tim pool
Well, he celebrates it.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I watched Matt Walsh's movie the other day.
I got a screener.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
libby emmons
And I really enjoyed it.
tim pool
It's good?
libby emmons
Yeah, I thought it was great.
tim pool
I think they got something with this Matt Walsh, like, mockumentary-style thing.
libby emmons
I think it's really fun.
raymond g stanley-jr
Two for two, he's gonna be two for two, I think.
tim pool
I mean, what did they make, like, a hundred million dollars off the first one?
libby emmons
And this one's gonna be, like, a real theatrical release, which is cool.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
libby emmons
What's it called?
tim pool
Amiracist.
libby emmons
Amiracist.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
libby emmons
It's all about how he's doing the work.
I mean, he's going on the journey, man.
He's, like, really doing it.
unidentified
Wow.
raymond g stanley-jr
He was even with Maya Angelou, right?
No, Robyn D'Angelo.
libby emmons
Robyn D'Angelo.
raymond g stanley-jr
Maya Angelou's a musician.
ian crossland
She's awesome.
raymond g stanley-jr
But she fooled him.
He fooled her.
That's gonna be great.
tim pool
Yeah, and there's a clip where she's like, we gotta be careful, because you never know.
ian crossland
And he's like, right.
tim pool
Never be too careful.
I can't believe he pulled it off.
These people are so dumb!
They don't even know who he was!
libby emmons
He's wearing like a man bun.
Normally he wears like a flannel and some jeans, right?
He's wearing like a man bun wig and a tweed jacket and skinny jeans and they don't recognize him.
And what you can tell from that is they're just so surface.
They look at your appearance and they assume they know everything about you.
And that's why they don't do any research.
tim pool
How do they not know who Matt Walsh is?
He's got 3 million followers on X. And he goes in there with his real name.
libby emmons
He gives his proper name.
raymond g stanley-jr
Yeah, it's crazy.
That's how bad they are.
That's how bad they are.
tim pool
All right, KCB says, Ian, you said you would vote for RFK just to not upset anyone.
That is what is wrong with this whole world.
Be brave with your voice.
ian crossland
No, I said I would vote for RFK because I believe in him.
At least that's why I would have voted for him.
But I said that I wouldn't vote for Trump in the past because I didn't want to upset half of my friends and family.
They're not your friends.
That's kind of the truth.
People that refuse to talk to you because of politics are pretty much lost.
Or at least just because someone's lost doesn't mean they're never going to find their way again.
But at this moment, they tend to be seem to be lost.
libby emmons
Well, the weird thing is that people can decide that they hate you because they disagree with you about some stuff.
Politics didn't used to be such such the huge deal that it is now.
And now it like divides families, it breaks up relationships.
You know, it pits parents against child.
It kills friendships.
And it doesn't make any sense.
That's not what politics should be.
You should be able to have different opinions from your friends and still be chill.
ian crossland
I think a lot about Ben Franklin, who basically lost connection with his son because his son remained a loyalist to the king.
libby emmons
Oh yeah, that's right.
raymond g stanley-jr
Freaking red coat.
Sorry, Tim.
tim pool
Let's go!
Michelle Campbell says, Tim, crazy folks have got to stop going so hard on moderates.
We need them.
Also, Tim, the officers should face charges said with love.
What's what's wrong with what I said at all?
How are those in any way contradictory?
Going after moderates.
These are regular people who are sitting around watching sporting events.
And then you've got Trump supporters insulting and attacking them.
And they're like, why am I being attacked by Trump supporters?
These people are crazy.
I'm talking about police officers who arrested people illegally and unconstitutionally being criminally charged for committing crimes.
Are you saying like the cops are all the moderates we're trying to get?
raymond g stanley-jr
I thought she agreed with you.
tim pool
No, she's saying I said crazy folks have got to stop going after moderates.
We need them.
And I also then said officers should face charges.
ian crossland
Maybe she's saying the way you were saying it was angry and that will put people off if they're not political.
tim pool
It has nothing to do with my point.
ian crossland
I don't want to be part of that angry guys crowd.
tim pool
That's a totally different point.
The first point is when Trump's diehards start attacking Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan then on his show says, ah, it's all tribalism.
I don't want to be involved in it anymore.
And they've just made sure to push away one of the biggest podcasts, if not the biggest, with moderates.
And the response from these guys on X was to gloat over doing it.
raymond g stanley-jr
Can we call them Trump's diehards or just online personality shills?
paul dans
Some of these people are just, they're themselves paid by the campaign too and they're just systematically going through it.
tim pool
Are these Kamala employees?
paul dans
No, I think some of them might be on the Trump campaign.
They're attacking you even.
If Trump loses, it's going to be for this reason.
tim pool
It's his to lose.
paul dans
It has to be additive.
You base plus, you add people, you have to build a coalition.
And it's exactly the people at the margin that you're working for.
That's why I think we all can have a great sense of optimism with Friday's announcement.
raymond g stanley-jr
I like it.
I like that.
tim pool
Someone in the chat said, Ben says, who cares about Rogan?
I think about 10 million viewers per episode, and are mostly moderate, some left-leaning libertarian types who support RFK Jr.
How about you throw them all away and tell them to go vote for Kamala, and then you lose.
And then you're gonna go, why did I lose?
Okay, well, you know, there you go.
raymond g stanley-jr
And then whoever they talk to, like the 10 million they talk to other people, they all talk about it.
It's more than 10 million.
tim pool
It's like Joe Rogan is hanging out on your front porch, And he's like, I don't know what they're doing in the back, they're making a lot of noise, something about Trump.
You should be going like, hey man, come on man, come hang out with us.
We got beers, we got drinks, we're watching UFC.
Instead, they're like, get him out of here, he's a loser!
And then he's like, okay, I'll stay out.
And he's got 10 million viewers.
raymond g stanley-jr
And he's got his 10 friends that are gonna come over to watch the game, but like, oh wait, apparently he's a bad person, so he's not coming.
tim pool
No, he's going to go into Madison Square Garden for a sold-out event to, you know, what, 10, 20,000 people, and he's going to say, Democrats are nuts.
Now he's going to go up and say, Republicans and Democrats are nuts.
Congratulations, you've just sabotaged yourself with moderates.
raymond g stanley-jr
Nice job, Cat Turd.
tim pool
Anyway, we're going to go to the members-only show, so smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, and we will see you over there.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.
And you can follow the show at TimCastIRL on Instagram.
Paul, do you want to shout anything out?
paul dans
Great to be with you.
I'm at PaulDanzUSA on Twitter.
I'm new to the platform, so learning how to talk the talk after having walked the walk.
So appreciate it, and I will be more active in the future.
Come join me.
raymond g stanley-jr
Walking the walk is huge, my friend.
ian crossland
I'm very happy to be here.
Ian Crossland, follow me all over the internet and focus that positive energy.
You'll see immense changes in your surroundings.
Bye.
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
You can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons.
And of course, you can check out everything we're doing at ThePostMillennial.com and HumanEvents.com.
And if you want to hear from me every day, I don't know why you'd want to do that, but if you want to, I have a newsletter, which you can find at ThePostMillennial.com slash Libby.
raymond g stanley-jr
Well, I want to listen a little bit every day, but I'm Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
I am Facilities and Maintenance here at TimCast.
You should become a member at TimCast.com because there's a great community there.
You come to Discord last night.
I had a beautiful, beautiful, like, jeez, like two hour conversation about the whole episode beforehand about the DNC.
It's a great time.
You should come do it.
So I appreciate it and everyone.
Yeah.
Thank you, Tim.
Let's go.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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