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tim pool
Peace.
Iran is claiming that Israel launched an airstrike in Iranian territory, killing the leader of Hamas.
In Beirut, there was an Israeli airstrike killing another military leader.
And so this looks like a direct escalation.
Now Iran has ordered, according to the New York Times, a direct strike on Israel.
And I'm sitting here like rolling my eyes because, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, we get it.
I mean, this is it.
It's going to be in increments.
There's not going to be a single day where Iran just, you know, you see the Ayatollah stand up on a pedestal and say, it's World War III, baby, let's roll.
It is going to be moment by moment.
Step after step, until at one point we say, hey, maybe this regional conflict, combined with the other regional conflicts, is bringing us into, or we are at, a World War III scenario.
Or it could just be this remains a regional conflict, but the conflict with Iran has been bubbling up for decades.
Sooner or later, that powder keg is about to burst, so we'll talk about that.
This is a crazy story.
I don't know if we've yet gotten confirmation or a statement from Israel as to whether or not they actually assassinated This guy, the Hamas leader.
So we'll see.
But we do have other more fun news.
Donald Trump spoke to black journalists in Chicago.
And wow, this dude did not play games.
He did not pander.
He struck back.
He He was insulting when need be.
Maybe not necessarily insulting, but he called them out for being hostile.
He made jokes.
The audience was hooting, booing, sometimes cheering.
It's actually really interesting, so we'll talk about that.
And as a result, Trump's being roasted for saying Kamala Harris wasn't black.
She was Indian for a long time, then all of a sudden, one day, she decided to be black, and this has led to another big controversy in the news cycle.
We'll talk about that and a whole bunch more.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we've got Justin of Phoenix Ammunition.
justin nazaroff
Hello, everybody.
My name is Justin Nazaroff.
I'm the CEO of Phoenix Ammunition.
We're a family-owned Michigan company.
We manufacture small caliber ammunition.
We're the unelected, unofficial leaders of the militia industrial complex.
No government contracts, no police department contracts.
We exist just to produce the best quality ammunition right to the people who the Second Amendment was written for.
That's you.
The American people.
And we're a company that imagines what could be unburdened by what has been.
tim pool
Ah, yes, indeed, indeed.
All right.
Well, thanks for joining us.
It'll be fun.
We got Libby hanging out.
libby emmons
I'm hanging out.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm with the Postmillennial and HumanEvents.com.
Glad to be here.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm glad you're both here.
I'm Hannah Klobremlow.
I'm a writer with SCNR.com, a Skinner News follow-their-work, Atom Gas News, and let's get started.
tim pool
This is the first story from the New York Times.
Iran's leader orders attack on Israel for Hania killing, officials say.
Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ordered retaliation after a humiliating security failure as Iran once again balances, showing strength against the risk of escalation.
On top of that, we also have Israel striking Beirut, saying it's killed Hezbollah commander, that's Fuad Shakur, in response to a rocket attack.
It looks like both of these attacks, assuming this one on Iran is actually from Israel, is in retaliation for there was a rocket strike in Israel, killed several children.
And so, look, this is war.
Now there's going to be a retaliation for the retaliation, a retaliation for the retaliation, retaliation for the retaliation.
You see where this goes.
This is what war is.
I think it's silly for us to be like, they're retaliating and now Iran's going to retaliate.
No.
It's the next step in an ongoing war.
Iran ordering an attack on Israel should not be like a breaking headline.
It should be, Iran orders continuation of ongoing conflict with direct intervention, or something to that effect.
And sooner or later we're going to get to the point where When there's active shooting between nations, and we already had the rocket fire between Israel and Iran, we're just going to say the war continues.
So I suppose the big questions here are, man, Israel will be dragging the United States into a massive regional conflict that I think you got the John Bolton to the neocons salivating over and begging for.
justin nazaroff
I can't wait.
tim pool
Before Donald Trump is going to be able to get in and tamper down any of this stuff, they're going to make this war happen so that he cannot.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, I mean, that was kind of my theory, except in Ukraine.
I figured if they thought Trump was going to win, they would try to make things so bad between Russia and Ukraine, get us so involved, and more or less drop all of that on his lap right before the election.
And I guess now they have another opportunity to do that here with Israel.
You know, Israel is a small country.
They're surrounded by enemies on all sides.
And I'm not so sure that we really understand what we're getting ourselves involved in.
I think people vastly overestimate the ability of the U.S.
military-industrial complex to produce the amount of munitions that would be required to defend Israel against all those countries.
And it just doesn't work that way.
You know, they're burning through Patriot missiles like crazy.
Our production capacity is about 30 to 35 a month.
And if you're going to tool up a new factory to be making double, triple that amount, that takes years.
It doesn't matter how much money you spend, it takes time to hire the employees, build the factories, etc.
And meanwhile, Iran is kind of going the other direction.
I really think the whole Iran trying to get a nuclear weapon is one of the biggest psyops that we've fallen for.
I think what they've realized is, technologically, that's really unfeasible for them.
What makes more sense?
For them to spend billions of dollars to produce one nuclear missile and fire it at Israel,
which we would shoot out of the sky immediately, or they could take half that amount of money,
a third of that amount of money, they could make 50,000 small capacity drones at a cost
of maybe $25,000 to $40,000 each, and what are you going to do when they fly 10,000 drones?
Last time they fired, what, 400 drones?
And we thought it was a great success that we shot them all out of the sky, but we spent
$3 billion to take down maybe a few tens of millions of dollars worth of drones that they
can manufacture by the hundreds.
tim pool
That we're going to need to counter drone warfare with drones.
justin nazaroff
Correct, right.
tim pool
You're going to need a net of drones and create a drone defense system.
justin nazaroff
Yeah.
tim pool
But you know what I'm wondering, because on my morning show I had some people super chat about this, is what's happening, the attack, assuming it is from Israel, Because Donald Trump survived.
And it's an interesting correlation, but the idea being, shortly after the assassination attempt, news broke that Iran was planning an assassination of Trump, and that kind of just disappeared overnight.
Like, it didn't—it blipped on the radar and then was gone.
libby emmons
It blipped.
We looked at it and then it was gone.
Yeah.
tim pool
Because the narrative was, many people believe, if Trump were to have lost his life, then the media would have reported it was an Iranian-backed attack.
When the FBI came out and said they found social media for the shooter that was anti-Semitic and anti-immigration, they would have argued that it was because of Trump's support of Israel.
And then Nikki Haley becomes the nominee.
Whether it's Biden or Kamala or Nikki Haley, they're all pro-war.
Nikki Haley demands retaliation for Trump's life being taken, and that's how they get their casts as belly for war with Iran.
That didn't happen, so maybe that was never gonna happen, who knows?
And now we have Israel striking Iranian territory, Iran retaliating, how much longer until Joe Biden bumps into a shelf and goes, and then accidentally hits the nuclear button and declares war on Iran?
libby emmons
Well, if Joe Biden stays in office, I mean, he doesn't have anything on his schedule.
He doesn't seem to be doing anything at all.
He was asked, I think they were asked in the briefing room today if he's still governing, and they were like, oh yeah, for sure.
He's definitely still governing.
He's still in charge.
He's sleeping.
Yeah, he's sleeping.
He's on cold meds, whatever it is.
He's definitely not playing golf.
He's, what, eating ice cream and sniffing little kids?
I don't know.
tim pool
Actually, there was a video recently of him sniffing a kid.
I can't believe it.
It was from like a couple weeks ago or something?
hannah claire brimelow
And one of his senior advisors just left to go join the Kamala Harris campaign.
I mean, you're probably going to start seeing this massive connection.
libby emmons
We're going to see a lot more of that.
hannah claire brimelow
Which is fascinating because I think part of it is that they want Kamala Harris to be front and center.
And so not only do they not want Joe Biden talking publicly, because that has never helped them, but now they don't want anything to distract from her.
So they're even more incentivized to keep him sort of, you know, on the couch.
justin nazaroff
They see the next three months as a preview of the Kamala Harris presidency, so they're going to try to put her on the pedestal, make her appear to be the one in charge without actually saying it, and that way they can just slide right through the election.
libby emmons
They want her to look as presidential as possible so that it just looks like a fait accompli.
hannah claire brimelow
And you see this with the messaging, especially on social media, like the Biden account will tweet out something like, we accomplished this.
Her account will immediately come in and say, yes, Joe Biden and I, me, the head of the Biden-Harris campaign or whatever.
libby emmons
Which is why I think, yeah, I think it's really important to, if she wants to take on all his responsibilities now, including just drop in to the scheduled debates and things like that, I think it's time to really hold her accountable for Biden's record.
tim pool
But what's this narrative that the Kamala campaign is pushing where it's like, she comes out and she's like, I'm gonna add more border guards, but Donald Trump opposes border guards.
It's like her whole point is basically like, I may be the vice president, but I'm not going to do anything about anything right now.
And Trump even says this, he's like, I don't understand, like she's the vice president.
justin nazaroff
You could do it now.
tim pool
She could do it now.
What is she campaigning on?
libby emmons
Yeah.
Just do the thing.
tim pool
Yeah.
She's like, Trump opposes this.
When?
Four years ago?
What are you talking about?
hannah claire brimelow
And she'll talk about more recent border legislation that she'll be like, well, it was going to get passed, but then Trump directed all of his cronies to be against it.
And it's like, yeah, it's because it was a bad bill.
Like no one liked this bill.
justin nazaroff
It's just a way for them to put money into... But that's politicking.
tim pool
Whether the bill is good or bad is immaterial, right?
You can lie, you can claim one thing, you can claim another.
The point is, she's in office, he's not.
Well, Trump told his people to block it.
Wait, wait, wait, you're vice president.
What are you going to do?
Nothing's going to change.
You get elected, what's different?
You can't go to Joe Biden right now and say, hey, do thing?
Or is the argument that when you get elected, all of a sudden Trump's going to stop trying to meddle in politics?
What's the argument?
libby emmons
Meanwhile, the other thing, too, is she has the exact same staff as Biden, as Hannah Clare just pointed out.
She's getting his, you know, White House staffers now.
So if they weren't capable of getting any of this stuff done for the past three and a half years, why would they be able to get it done over the next four?
hannah claire brimelow
And a lot of Biden's staff also are veterans of the Obama administration, right?
libby emmons
Well, it's the continuation.
Kamala is just a continuation of the Obama administration.
justin nazaroff
It's the same thing as Obamacare.
You've got to pass the bill to see what's in it.
They don't want to do it now because that would ruin things prior to the election.
And they know that this bill, all it's going to do is, as I said, they're going to put a bunch of money into hiring border agents to process immigrant applications.
They're not going to put any money into actually stopping the flow of people across the border.
They're just going to say, well, hey, look, illegal immigration has dropped by 50%.
Yeah, that's because you've got a guy filling out paperwork and just making them all legalized You're rolling out a second CP1 app to make it easier for people to cross the border.
It appears that it's less, but now we have the same number of people.
tim pool
Back to the story, though.
The question I have for you guys is, do we have war with Iran before November?
Open war, U.S.
involvement.
justin nazaroff
I think it's more likely that we'll have open involvement in Ukraine, personally, before.
I think that one's going far worse, but it'll depend.
It really depends on what Iran does in response to this.
If they do the same thing that they did last time at a larger scale, then yeah, if they actually manage to land some hits in Tel Aviv or some other large city, I think it could go from zero to a hundred in a week.
tim pool
It's tough because...
Who actually wants to engage in a conflict to that degree?
Iran certainly doesn't.
justin nazaroff
No.
tim pool
Does Israel?
I mean, the United States does.
And so that's what Iran's concern is.
If they strike on Israel, the U.S.
immediately intervenes.
And then I take a look at their building.
You know, the U.S.
tried building that beachhead, which failed.
justin nazaroff
Yeah.
tim pool
Which is here.
justin nazaroff
I mean, $230 million.
libby emmons
That Gazapir thing?
tim pool
Yeah.
Yep, but I think the point of that is the U.S.
has the Mediterranean route for bringing shipments into Israel, which they can use as staging ground for a war in the region.
Not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan, depending on what access we still have there.
justin nazaroff
Yeah.
Like I said, it'll really depend on what Iran decides to do in response.
I can't imagine that they're going to do nothing, but do they really want to escalate it to the point where they're in a direct conflict?
I don't know.
tim pool
But it's also Lebanon, too.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, it's also Lebanon.
You know, it's tough.
Those countries, you'd think that all of them would band together against Israel, but there's a lot of, you know, internal conflict between those countries, a lot of religious differences.
You have the Shiites, you have the Sunnis.
So it's not easy to say that they'll all just get together and do it.
But at some point, You know, even the worst of enemies can become friends for the purposes of defeating what they think is the greater enemy.
And, you know, Israel's a tiny country.
I mean, it's only 40 miles across in some places.
tim pool
I think the big risk we're facing is Iran's retaliation could come in the form of subterfuge, cyber attacks.
justin nazaroff
Yeah.
tim pool
And so there could be economic damage that is more difficult for us to understand.
It is entirely likely that there's been industrial accidents that have actually been cyber attacks, and we wouldn't know.
They're not going to tell us.
Because if the U.S.
government came out and said, remember that refinery that blew up?
That was actually Iran targeting us through cyber warfare.
They'd have to admit that we don't have the security and the defense, and that U.S.
actions led to a retaliation for some reason.
So likely they'll just ignore it.
Like, the American citizens are going to face some kind of detriment from Iran who will try to cause problems for us.
They probably are doing it right now anyway.
And then we don't even know what's going on because the government doesn't want to admit its failures.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, and I think most people vastly overestimate the amount of cyber security that your average industrial facility has.
I worked for an insurance company for 10 years and they spent tens of millions of dollars on cyber security because they had personally identifiable information, things like that.
But your average manufacturing facility, the problem is a lot of the machinery and equipment that we use, Those companies are pushing all of us to connect those things to the internet so that they can do remote troubleshooting and help solve problems.
You can track manufacturing data, all that kind of thing.
But, you know, the firewalls that exist for programmable logic controllers is very rudimentary.
That to me that worries me more than even an attack say on the electrical grid I mean that worries me as well But I think we're spending a lot more money trying to shore up security in that area but all of the individual manufacturers making Everything we need for appliances, computers, cars, weapons, all that stuff.
Most of these companies have absolutely no idea that they're even vulnerable to things like that.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that American policymakers' understanding of national security has pivoted with the internet age?
Do they think that the most likely attack is a physical attack from a different country, or do they realize that our online connection makes us vulnerable too?
justin nazaroff
I think the military knows it.
Their stuff's very robust.
They spend a lot of money trying to keep their computers from being able to be hacked, their com systems, things like that.
But again, how do you, I won't say force, because I certainly wouldn't want them to force that upon industrial manufacturers.
Most people don't even really understand that that's a risk.
And so it kind of falls on the companies who are building the logic controllers and the machinery and the equipment.
And I think they're just far behind the times.
I don't think that they perceive that as... I think if you went to your average machinery manufacturing company and said, what are you guys doing to make sure that my bullet assembly machine is unhackable?
They would just look at you with a blank stare.
Because it's just not really on their radar.
You know, they're worried about production, you know, workflow.
They're trying to make the machines run faster, have less errors in your products, things like that.
But I don't really think that they have any idea that that's even a risk.
tim pool
Let's jump to some domestic politics with this story from the Postmillennial.
The big domestic news is that Trump spoke at a black journalist conference, and the Postmillennial says he effortlessly handles hostile questions at black journalist conference in Chicago.
I've only seen clips, Libby wrote this one up, but the clips that I've seen from Donald Trump, it is... It's amazing.
He doesn't play games, he doesn't pander, and I think he knew... This is what the Libertarian Convention should have been.
Him going up there, and when he gets a hostile question, he's hostile right back, he makes jokes, he laughs, he gives real answers, and I think people are going to respect it.
I think Trump entered this, speaking at the National Association of Black Journalists, he entered this knowing that they're going to ask hostile questions and insult him, and he's going to push back because he might actually win 5, 10, 20 percent by being real and not pandering, because there are people who don't want to be pandered to.
So, actually, you wrote it.
Why don't you just tell us what's going on?
libby emmons
Yeah, so this was actually, as I said, this was sort of amazing.
He got up there, he had this interview with three black journalists, including Harris Faulkner from Fox, who he's spoken to a lot, and so they had the most comfy exchange, I will say.
But he also handled the more divisive questions.
He was asked specifically about what are black jobs, because he was talking about immigration and saying, You know, illegal immigrants are coming in, they're taking Hispanic jobs, they're taking black jobs.
What are black jobs?
tim pool
Well, I take issue with this because, at first, they're offended, like, what's a DEI hire?
What's diversity?
libby emmons
Exactly.
tim pool
And so it's like, when Trump was asked about, he referred to black journalists as animals and things like this, and they're saying, like, how dare you insult a person who happens to be black?
Then, when he says black jobs, they're like, what is that supposed to mean?
No, no, no.
You can't quantify Everything as categorically, you know, wrong or you can't say your statements pertaining to black are bad.
And then when Trump says, okay, black jobs ago, what?
Oh, now we're offended again.
You can't be offended at everything.
libby emmons
Yeah, they were if they're offended, you know, if you do, he's offended, they're offended.
And if you don't, either way.
So he had a great answer for it, which was black jobs are jobs.
tim pool
Is it jobs anybody would have?
libby emmons
Yeah.
And what I thought was really fascinating is this question was asked by a bunch of people who very clearly have black jobs.
I mean, the whole conference is a black professionals organization for black people with these specific jobs.
So what's a black job?
Well, journalism is a black job.
That's for one.
I mean, you're all here testifying to that.
tim pool
Why are they acting like they're offended?
He means jobs held by black people.
libby emmons
That's exactly right.
tim pool
And he's like, and they're losing these jobs to non-citizens who are being allowed in the country.
Let's play this clip.
This is a minute 45 from the conference.
unidentified
I mean, it is not lost on us how divided we are as a country.
And as you were coming today, we really got to see that we are divided along the lines of race, along the lines of gender.
And there is this question of in this moment where we are, Why come here?
What is your message today?
donald j trump
My message is to stop people from invading our country that are taking, frankly, a lot of problems with it.
But one of the big problems, and a lot of the journalists in this room I know and I have great respect for, a lot of the journalists in this room are black.
I will tell you that coming...
tim pool
I love the laughter because Trump is literally at the National Association of Black Journalists and he says, a lot of them here are black and they start laughing.
donald j trump
Coming from the border are millions and millions of people that happen to be taking black jobs.
You had the best.
unidentified
What exactly is a black job, sir?
donald j trump
A black job is anybody that has a job.
That's what it is.
Anybody that has a job.
And they're taking the employment away from black people.
They're coming in and they're coming in.
They're invading.
It's an invasion of millions of people, probably 15, 16, 17 million people.
I have a feeling it's much more than that.
And everybody's been seeing what's happened.
The first group of people, the black population, is affected most by that, and Kamala is allowing it to happen.
She's the border czar.
She's the worst border czar in the history of the world.
There's never been a border czar like this.
There's never even essentially been.
She said she was there once, but not the right part of the border.
So she was a border, she's done a horrible job.
These people are coming into our country and they're taking black jobs and Hispanic jobs and frankly they're taking union jobs.
Unions are being very badly affected by all of the millions of people that are pouring into our country.
tim pool
There's some other clips.
Let's play this one.
Here we go.
unidentified
Some of your own supporters, including Republicans on Capitol Hill, have labeled Vice President Kamala Harris, who is the first black and Asian American woman to serve as vice president and be on a major party ticket, as a DEI hire.
Is that acceptable language to you?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
And will you tell those Republicans and those supporters to stop it?
donald j trump
How do you, how do you define DEI?
Go ahead.
How do you define it?
unidentified
Diversity, equity, inclusion?
donald j trump
Okay, yeah, go ahead.
Is that what your definition?
unidentified
That is, that is literally the words.
justin nazaroff
That's the acronym.
unidentified
DEI.
tim pool
Right.
donald j trump
Give me a definition.
unidentified
Sir, I'm asking you a question, a very direct question.
No, no, you have to define it.
donald j trump
Define the, define it for me if you would.
unidentified
I just defined it, sir.
Do you believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman?
donald j trump
Well, I can say, no, I think it's maybe a little bit different.
So I've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much.
And she was always of Indian heritage and she was only promoting Indian heritage.
I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black.
And now she wants.
So I don't know, is she Indian or is she black?
unidentified
She is always identified as a black woman.
donald j trump
I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because she was Indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went It's a good political play.
tim pool
That's a smart statement for conservatives to bring up because what it says to a lot of the black community is that she's not been an active participant until she needed to be to earn those votes.
libby emmons
She's an opportunist and she's an opportunist where her identity is concerned too.
And it also, the fact that they get offended, the fact that like the left gets offended when you point out that someone is a DEI hire, yet they consistently push DEI as though it's this, you know, wonderful thing.
It can't be racist to say that someone is a DEI hire if DEI is great.
It can only be a positive thing.
unidentified
It's either a person or it's not.
libby emmons
This person's a DEI hire.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, they celebrated Joe Biden when he was saying, I'm going to hire a woman of color
libby emmons
for the Supreme Court and for my vice president.
Yeah, he said the same thing for the Supreme Court and for the vice president.
And you know, it's because they know that DEI is not based on merit and it's just a
racist thing.
tim pool
You don't have the clips in here, though, where he, I think the first question asked
when she basically insults him, like, why would you come here?
And he's like, well, I can tell you I've never been asked in a horrible, hostile way.
You know, and everyone's like, whoa.
And then you guys talk.
libby emmons
I was already at a thousand words.
And I was like, how long am I going to go with this thing?
tim pool
I didn't I didn't see this one because I only saw the clips, but you guys mentioned that he like grabs the woman's water bottle and then tightens the cap or something.
justin nazaroff
I don't know if he did it on accident, he thought it was his, or he did it, I really actually hope he did it on purpose.
But yeah, he grabbed the water bottle that's in between the two of them, and you can see him clearly tighten it up and put it back.
He doesn't even take a drink out of it.
So, if he didn't do it intentionally, I'm not really sure why he did it, but... I actually think that exchange is worth...
hannah claire brimelow
Noting, because I think it's sort of a preview of the kind of dynamic the left-wing media will report on whenever Trump eventually debates Kamala Harris.
We all know what'll happen.
I know they're having kind of scuffles over which outlet and the date or whatever.
But, you know, the thing that Kamala got lauded for when she debated Pence last time, when she was like, I'm speaking, I'm speaking, I'm not gonna let you interrupt me.
And that's effectively a similar posture to what this woman is doing.
She's being like, you're ridiculous and disrespectful.
And you'll see, I'm confident, people say like, Trump asks ignorant question.
Amazing journalist just held her own.
justin nazaroff
Female journalist.
libby emmons
Black journalist.
I think there's t-shirts that say I'm speaking.
tim pool
Right.
This woman's clearly campaigning for herself.
She's not there to do journalism and ask Trump questions.
hannah claire brimelow
No, and so I think that's, you know, he did do well, and Libby has pointed this out several times to us tonight, like, he made the audience laugh.
The audience liked Trump.
Maybe not all of them, maybe not all the time, but it wasn't a completely hostile reception from the audience, even if many of the questions posed to him were hostile.
But I think When you eventually see the Kamala Trump debate, there is going to be a need to be able to handle this like, I'm a strong woman and you're just a mean man being mean to me.
You know, talking over her is fine, I don't care about it, but I know that you will get reports from either side saying— Well, if you're strong, then you don't need to worry about someone being mean to you, because what do you care?
tim pool
But that's what Trump did, basically.
Yeah.
You know, he sits down and they ask hostile questions and he just snaps right back at her.
He's like, boy, that was, you know, very hostile.
And then what was the other thing you mentioned that she asked about his divorce?
Well, at least you asked it nicely.
justin nazaroff
Yeah.
Yeah.
I see.
I've always been a believer that Trump should be doing events in downtown Detroit.
I think he could really I think he could win Michigan easily if he did this exact same kind of thing in in Detroit, because you can see that Yeah, sure, the crowd was hostile at the very beginning, but they kind of warm up to him.
And you can't not like the guy as he goes through his answers.
You think to yourself, if it was me up on stage being attacked like that, yeah, I'd probably be a little bit of an a-hole as well.
But he keeps it to like a reasonable measure.
He answers the question reasonably well enough.
And he just lets them become more and more hostile.
And I think it makes them look worse as time goes on.
tim pool
One of the questions that she asks is, she's like, you called black journalists animals.
Like, is that appropriate language?
And then, I don't think Trump gave a very strong answer, but he certainly, I think that's when he says, oh, you're asking such a hostile question.
My response would be like, am I not allowed to insult someone based on, like, am I not allowed to criticize or insult people because they happen to be from a certain racial group?
Like, if there's an Asian guy, a white guy, and a Hispanic guy, and I can call the white guy or the Hispanic guy an
animal, if they're being disrespectful but the black guy's off-limits,
hey, I believe in racial equality.
justin nazaroff
If you're a good person, you get my compliment.
tim pool
Yeah, I believe in insulting and complimenting people based on the content of their character,
and just because you're of a certain race doesn't give you any special benefits when it comes to me criticizing you.
And then, so this is my point I was making earlier.
She's like, how dare you?
You know, you called black journalists animals.
And then when Trump says black jobs, what is that supposed to mean?
What is a black job?
And it's like, how are you going to get mad when Trump calls a person an animal, not based on race, just the person, and then when he does mention that they're, as the black community, their jobs are being taken away, now you're offended again.
It's just faux offense.
That's the annoying thing about it.
hannah claire brimelow
I wish that he would have countered with, were you this upset when Joe Biden said, if you're not voting for me, you're not black.
I mean, it is okay when Joe Biden says stuff that I found really questionable, but it's not okay when Trump alludes to black people having jobs and them being possibly threatened by illegal immigration.
justin nazaroff
He's in a room full of black people.
So of course he would say that they're taking black jobs if he was in a room full of Hispanic people, he would say they're taking Hispanic jobs.
If he was in a room with white people, he would say they're taking white jobs.
tim pool
When he was like, frankly, a lot of the journalists here are black people, and they laugh.
Like, he's funny.
It's like, dude, you're in a room of nothing but white people.
justin nazaroff
In case you didn't notice, right.
unidentified
I bet he wouldn't talk about white jobs, though.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, maybe not.
tim pool
The point he's making is that a black job is a job held by someone in the black community.
That's it.
He's saying, you guys have a community that you're concerned about and they're taking your jobs from you.
That's the point.
Why are you mad?
hannah claire brimelow
Right, but she thinks he's going to be like, what's-her-name, Kelly Osbourne on whatever show that was, where she was like, who's going to scrub your toilet, right?
They're expecting something from Trump that isn't there, and a part of it is because they came in primed to be hysterical.
And I think there are tons of journalists who do this, right and left.
know how they want it to play out. And I go back to, I can't remember the name of the
time I had, but the girl who ran the CNN town hall, where Trump came out and was like on
stage at one point, he like pulled out a paper of the tweets that weren't allowed to go out
at one point. Like, he did really well. And she was not prepared for it, because she came
in really aggressively. And CNN ended up ending that program early because of how well he was
doing, because their journalists came in with a bias and couldn't couldn't adapt to the
situation they were in.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, I think they still haven't learned how to deal with Trump.
The more aggressive you get, the better off he looks, I think.
I think he does worse in debates and interviews where people are nicer to him, and he doesn't really have anything to go off of.
He's the master at taking their energy and redirecting it into his own responses and getting enough of a laugh out of people that...
Again, you might not like him, but you find something in common with him in some way because you put yourself in that situation and you think, how would I react if I was the same?
I wish I could snap back that quick.
Man, he was so fast with that response.
Even if you don't particularly like the response, you've got to give him the credit for being quick and turning things around.
tim pool
I want to play the clip that I just mentioned because I got it from Greg Price here.
unidentified
Not true.
You have told four Congresswoman of color who were American citizens to go back to where they came from.
You have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys.
You've attacked black journalists, calling them a loser, saying the questions that they ask are, quote, stupid and racist.
You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your Mar-a-Lago resort.
So my question, sir, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust you after you have used language like that?
donald j trump
Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been asked a question so, in such a horrible manner, first question.
You don't even say, hello, how are you?
Are you with ABC?
Because I think they're a fake news network.
I think it's disgraceful that I came here in good spirit.
I love the black population of this country.
I've done so much for the black population of this country, including employment, including Opportunity Zones with Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, which is one of the greatest programs ever for I think it's a very rude introduction.
I've done so much and you know when I say this, historically black colleges and universities
were out of money, they were stone cold broke and I saved them and I gave them long term
financing and nobody else was doing it.
I think it's a very rude introduction.
unidentified
I don't know exactly why you would do something like that.
donald j trump
And let me go a step further.
I was invited here and I was told my opponent, whether it was Biden or Kamala, I was told my opponent was going to be here.
It turned out my opponent isn't here.
You invited me under false pretense.
unidentified
Wow.
donald j trump
And then you said you can't do it with Zoom.
Well, you know, where's Zoom?
She's going to do it with Zoom and she's not coming.
unidentified
Wow.
donald j trump
And then you were half an hour late, just so we understand.
They couldn't get their equipment working or something.
justin nazaroff
the receipts.
unidentified
I would love to answer the question on your rhetoric and why do you think black voters
should trust you with another one of your years?
donald j trump
I have been the best president for the black population since Abraham Lincoln.
unidentified
I don't think President Johnson is...
donald j trump
I said this the other night, but ABC has a weird connection to the Biden-Harris administration.
It gets more sketchy to me all the time.
when you're 35 minutes late because you couldn't get your equipment to work in such a hostile
manner.
I think it's a disgrace.
hannah claire brimelow
I really I actually love that.
He's called out ABC to.
I said this the other night, but ABC has a weird connection to the Biden Harris administration.
It gets more sketchy to me all the time.
The fact that George Stephanopoulos ABC got the first Biden post debate interview and
then Kim Cheeto didn't do any press except for ABC News.
Like, very weird.
And they're supposed to host the September 10th debate, right?
So, like, I think it's fair for him to be like, oh, wow, ABC.
Seems like you guys have a bias.
tim pool
Let's break down that question she asked.
She hammered him with a bunch of points as if they were true without giving me... So here's how a journalist should act.
Donald Trump, you've been accused of calling person, you know, A, this word.
Response.
You've also said of this person, we have a quote, you said, this person is an animal.
You know, how do you respond to this?
What was that about?
A journalist would ask the question, what she did was she goes, you did this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, this thing, you're bad.
Why should you be here?
libby emmons
No evidence.
justin nazaroff
No fact checking.
They're going to fact check him real time, which is what they were trying to do, which is what they claim the delay was for.
They say that he didn't want them to be fact-checking him live and they were going back and forth about it.
So yeah, but then the journalist can rattle off a bunch of things that aren't true and what's he supposed to do?
Fact-check them live up there or answer the question?
He doesn't have all that in front of him.
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
So there's a lot of heat coming Trump's way now.
We have this from the Daily Mail.
Donald Trump says Kamala Harris became a black person after being Indian all the way.
And so now, what do we have this?
Do we have this one?
Here we go.
Anna Navarro Cardenas, who is, uh, what is she?
She's a Nicaraguan-American.
CNN In The View says, In front of black audience, Trump argues Kamala Harris isn't black.
In front of white audiences, Vance argues she's a DEI hire who's gotten where she is because she's a black woman.
How can they argue both things at the same time about the same person?
Bunch of clowns.
justin nazaroff
Because that's what Democrats do.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Because she's Indian.
Like, DEI hire could be because she's a woman.
It's not even about race.
But now they're mad because Trump made this, he pointed this out, and he pointed it out accurately.
The political play a long time ago was that she was an Indian woman, and the political play today is that she's a black woman.
She is both, but it is a political maneuver to try and brand her with one or the other race.
How about four, five years ago, or six years ago, I think it was eight years ago, they say she's Indian Jamaican.
Point out that she's biracial.
unidentified
And that's exactly what Trump is pointing out.
justin nazaroff
they'll do whatever they need, they'll say whatever they need to say in the moment
to accomplish their goal. If they didn't have...
tim pool
And that's exactly what Trump is pointing out.
justin nazaroff
They would have nothing.
tim pool
If they didn't have double standards, they have no standards at all.
justin nazaroff
Correct.
hannah claire brimelow
I think Kamala Harris was...
Yeah, I think Kamala Harris was a win for the Biden administration because she was sort of a biracial woman who therefore they could trot out at any occasion, right?
Like when they need someone to be the spokesperson for diversity, they have Kamala Harris.
You know, that's cool if that's what you think your administration needs.
I think it's kind of gross, but it's not clear that they hired her for merit.
They hired her because of what she looks like.
libby emmons
Could it perhaps be weird?
Could it perhaps be weird that they do that?
The other thing too, speaking of the double standards, is you had Pete Buttigieg recently speaking to the New York Times on one of their podcasts, what is it, The Daily?
And he was asked outright, and he's been a huge Kamala surrogate at this point, and he was asked if he thought Kamala Harris should accept the invitation from Fox to debate on September 17th, which has been the only invitation held out to Kamala Harris, as opposed to her dropping in to try and fill Biden's shoes.
And Pete Buttigieg said that he did not think she should debate on Fox because he thought they were too biased.
But he does apparently think that Trump should debate not Joe Biden in an ABC debate on September 10th, even though Kamala Harris wasn't invited to that debate.
tim pool
So who's going to be at that September 10th debate?
libby emmons
Nobody so far.
And you really just have Kamala Harris's campaign demanding that Trump show up on terms that he agreed to to debate Joe Biden, even though he hasn't agreed to those terms for her.
tim pool
I don't I suppose.
And I wonder why Trump doesn't debate Kamala Harris.
hannah claire brimelow
He has said that he would, but this is the thing about the Fox invitation, which came out a couple days ago.
You know, that's that network saying, like, now that the contract seems to be void because Biden is no longer in the race, we will host a debate between Kamala Harris and Trump.
And, you know, Trump had said, I'm happy to debate her.
We can have multiple debates.
But I actually don't think it's that unreasonable for him to say, like, but as you have now suddenly dropped in a new candidate, that does not mean we have to stick to this agreement with ABC News.
libby emmons
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And especially because I think ABC News has been kind of sketchy this summer.
libby emmons
Yeah, they haven't been so great.
Yeah.
And there is definitely this double standard where everyone's just kind of assuming that because the Democrats have, you know, changed their presumptive nominee, that means that presumptive nominee is entitled to everything that Joe Biden had, you know, earned as president and as the candidate.
justin nazaroff
And I don't see why the Trump campaign should agree to Yeah, especially now since it's Kamala and not, you could argue that because Biden is the incumbent that maybe he gets to pick the rules.
I don't agree with that particularly, but you could make the argument.
But in this case, you have Two people who are currently not president, both vying for the same office.
So, for sure, if I was him, I would absolutely try to renegotiate that and say, OK, well, maybe we'll do this one on ABC, but we're going to do one on Fox then, so that at least we have two.
Or we'll pick somebody neutral in the middle.
We've allowed Democrats to run the rules of these debates.
I don't exactly know how that happened.
But it just seems like it's been that way, and Trump has sort of had to just take what he can get, in a sense?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, Trump's team, back when they were debating the debates before the first one, had said, like, we're happy to do three, because these aren't being run by the official, like, presidential debate body.
They're run by these, like, agreements between the campaigns and the networks, and typically there are three every year.
So they had scheduled this one in May, and then they were like, we're gonna do it again in September, and then There was Trump's team had said, well, we'll do a third and Biden's team had said no.
So it's this it's this weird thing where like the Biden campaign was very different than Harris's campaign because their candidate had struggles that they say Kamala doesn't have.
Right.
And it seems largely like those are related to age.
He needed different support.
They didn't want people in the room.
This question of breaks.
Are they going to sit down?
I don't know why Kamala Harris would want to debate the way that Biden was going to debate
because theoretically she's younger.
She's more energetic.
She shouldn't want the same format.
So I don't understand why her campaign is acting like this is such a weird thing, that
they would go back to the drawing board and renegotiate the terms.
I thought she wasn't Biden 2.0.
I thought she was her own special person.
tim pool
And who's J.D.
Vance going to debate now?
We don't even know.
hannah claire brimelow
We should find out by Tuesday.
libby emmons
Tuesday is the time because Kamala Harris is supposed to hold a joint rally in Philly on Tuesday with an as-yet-to-be-named candidate.
hannah claire brimelow
I still think it's going to be Bashar.
Bashar?
I should learn his name before it happens.
unidentified
Bashir.
tim pool
Bashir.
Yeah.
So I think the betting odds were for Kelly, but there was some news report saying the rumor was it was going to be a governor.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I think it'll be the governor of Kentucky.
I mean, I'm not willing to put money on this.
I don't know for sure.
But, you know, he's definitely posturing like it's going to be him online.
I think they're all kind of really hoping.
libby emmons
Well, there was a rumor that the DNC was trying to get a bunch of Wall Street firms to donate ahead of the announcement for VP because They're not allowed to donate if there's a sitting governor on the ticket or something like that.
tim pool
Can we just point out real quick, I want to stress this, that Donald Trump destroyed Joe Biden in that debate so horribly that Joe Biden dropped out of the race.
libby emmons
Yes, that's exactly what happened.
tim pool
It is.
libby emmons
He was forced out.
tim pool
His performance was so atrocious against Donald Trump that the Democrats panicked and removed him from the race.
libby emmons
Yeah, which should not be a thing you're allowed to do.
You shouldn't just be like, oh, this candidate that we picked that we've been running this whole time, it turns out that he's not great against the other guy, so let's switch it up real quick and just pretend we never did.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we were saying before, I don't think Harris should just get to act like she inherits everything I got to.
And I think that should apply to the voters, right?
She made a big show, this was all the reporting I heard, you know, that Sunday that Biden dropped out and endorsed her, that she was calling all these organizations, these union workers, all of these people, delegates, saying, I'm going to earn your vote.
And apparently she had earned their vote by 9 a.m.
on Monday morning.
I mean, it was amazing how fast people coalesced around her.
libby emmons
And then they say it's grassroots, which is just such a huge lie.
hannah claire brimelow
I wonder if the voters feel that way.
I think there must be some voters who feel a certain level of whiplash and who also looked at her being like, I didn't support you in 2020.
It's not like she took second place.
libby emmons
I bet there's a lot of voters who just feel relieved.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
I mean, I'll tell you there's a... Because they want somebody to vote for and they weren't going to vote for Biden.
hannah claire brimelow
But once that honeymoon like falls apart, you think it'll last?
libby emmons
Yeah, but the honeymoon doesn't have to be very long, right?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it's only a few months to the election.
I mean, for her it just has to get... Well, and for her it just has to be until she gets on the ticket because then they don't have any other choices.
libby emmons
Right.
That's true too.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, I think there's a lot of people on the left that are really...
Not very happy about Kamala.
I have some friends who are pretty far on the left, and none of them really like her.
She's a former prosecutor, put all these people in jail for, you know, drug crimes and things that they don't really believe in, and they're not really hot on her.
I would be surprised.
I will be surprised to see how the election goes.
libby emmons
She also spearheaded male rapists being able to be housed in women's prisons in California.
Yeah, that was great.
Amy Ichikawa, From Woman to Woman, which is an advocacy group for incarcerated women, was on Charlie Kirk today talking about it.
And it's pretty bad.
I mean, it's pretty bad at the Chowchilla facility, what's going on there.
There's men in the prison.
There's, you know, there's sexual relationships going on.
There's abuse going on.
And it's really a big problem.
There's no reason that women's prisons in California should be handing out contraception to women.
They should not have to worry about getting pregnant by other inmates in a women's correctional facility.
And it disrupts the ability to, you know, Yeah, and like so many women who are in prison were already subject to abuse.
hannah claire brimelow
That's a big part of how women end up in prison.
Well, we got male boxers fighting women in the Olympics.
justin nazaroff
in a much worse situation.
libby emmons
Yeah, and like so many women who are in prison were already subject to abuse.
That's a big part of how women end up in prison.
justin nazaroff
We got male boxers fighting women in the Olympics.
tim pool
That was four years ago too, though.
I'm pretty sure there's a photo of those same male boxers in 2020 fighting in the Olympics.
So it's 2021.
It was postponed.
But they've been allowed to fight for a long time.
And that's why the betting odds favor the male.
unidentified
If there's any sport you could argue that it's the least, or how do I put Like the most obvious you don't do it.
justin nazaroff
I've been in combat sports my entire life.
I started wrestling when I was 12, been doing jiu-jitsu for 15 years.
I had women on my wrestling team in middle school, high school.
I train with women every day at my jiu-jitsu academy.
If you spend 15 minutes in any combat sport and you see the differences, I feel like it would change almost anybody's mind except for the most radical people who are just a total NPC out to lunch downloading the program every night.
unidentified
It's so obvious.
justin nazaroff
I don't know how anybody can't see it.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story.
We got a couple of tweets.
The Democrats have been running the weird narrative because that's their line of attack.
But, oh boy, did they step in it this time.
Nevada Democrats quoted Sam Brown, a veteran who was injured and has suffered burns to his face.
And he had posted with J.D.
Vance, on X, it's time hard-working Nevadans have champions for them in the White House and U.S.
Senate.
President Trump, J.D.
Vance, and I are ready to lead and help make life better for every Nevadan and American.
We got you!
And Nevada Democrats said, you can't make this up.
Sam Brown and J.D.
Vance are claiming to be champions for hard-working Nevadans from a private jet.
They're not only hypocrites, they're just plain weird.
And the reason why they step in is because we all know what happened with Donald Trump.
When Donald Trump liked to do that thing where he would mock people by bouncing his arm on his chest, and then all of a sudden a journalist popped up who had a disability with his arm, and the media ran the narrative that Donald Trump was intentionally mocking a disabled journalist.
Sam Brown has responded, saying, Yes, you can call my face weird.
It won't be the first or last time I've heard it, but my message is not to you.
My message is to anyone else who has been put down or called weird
because of their experiences or who they are.
I say to you, do not allow others to define you.
I'm proud of my scars.
They might look a little different, but it gives me an opportunity to encourage others.
I encourage every one of you to lean into the things that make you unique and that others may call weird and realize that your experience, whether it's suffering or something else, gives you an opportunity to connect with others and give them hope.
You are loved.
You are appreciated.
The things that make you unique can also be your greatest strength.
In response to them calling him weird.
And it's just like, guys, we try to be a little sensitive.
You know what I mean?
justin nazaroff
They're supposed to be the sensitive ones, right?
tim pool
They're claiming to be, but this is the problem with a open hatch and randomly fire out the insult of weird to any and everyone, and then not thinking about you insulting a guy.
And I say this with all due respect to Captain Sam Brown, who's pointing out he has been called weird before.
It's one thing to call J.D.
Vance or Trump weird, because in their minds, they're like, it's punching up, right?
Trump's a billionaire, J.D.
Vance's a sinner, he's got a successful book and a movie.
Sam Brown is an injured veteran who has been called weird because of the injuries he's suffered, and they are not paying attention to what they're doing when they just blanket everybody as weird, and now they've stepped in it.
So this only gets pushed if Republicans decide this is an attack.
justin nazaroff
Make it an issue, yeah.
tim pool
And I think they should.
They should say, guys, chill out on the weird stuff, because you're not paying attention to who you're insulting.
Sam Brown has said he's been called weird before because of his face, because of the injuries he's suffered serving this country, and now Democrats are not even thinking about what they're calling this guy.
justin nazaroff
I think if the Trump campaign isn't already churning out a ton of merchandise with weird and some reference to that, they're crazy.
I think this is probably one of the bigger political mistakes that the left could make.
I mean, I'm weird.
You're weird.
I mean, I think everybody in this room is, to a certain extent.
tim pool
They want to be the status quo, maybe let them be the status quo.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, the left, I mean, look at the left.
You're going to call people on the right weird?
People on the right were always the ones accused of being, you know, starched collars, boring, sticks in the mud.
Bow tie.
Right, bow tie, exactly.
They would say that about Tucker Carlson, bunch of uptight nerds, and now we're the weird ones?
Good!
I hope we are.
I hope we embrace it and make it, turn it right back.
tim pool
But it's the stodgy conservatives who have never liked being called weird.
They want to be normal.
And it is only, I think, because of this coalition between more moderates, post-liberals, disaffected liberals, and independents...
All of those people are fine with being called weird.
justin nazaroff
Sure.
tim pool
You know, but these suit-wearing conservative types, look, you go to any one of these conservative events, you go to these youth conservative college events, and it's just like, dude, it is like a bunch of 18-year-olds wearing suits.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, khaki pants.
tim pool
Yeah, come on, guys.
You gotta be a little weird.
libby emmons
A lot of high heels, too.
tim pool
A lot of high heels, red dresses.
Everybody is very much in line.
libby emmons
Very makeup-y.
tim pool
Yeah.
justin nazaroff
But I think that's changing.
I mean, maybe not at those kinds of events, you know, sort of the core Republicans, the ones that are unfortunately still in charge of the party and the way things go.
But I think that's changing.
I mean, I think that's why, you know, we've had some success as a company.
IX is just, like, we are weird and we're happy to embrace it.
And I think people enjoy the fact that Plus, Democrats need to apologize to Sam Brown.
tim pool
Democrats need to apologize to Sam Brown.
Every single Republican should be like, fine, call me weird, but apologize to Sam Brown.
Force Democrat leadership to go on TV and say, we did not mean it, we're sorry.
Make them do it.
libby emmons
What's weird, if I may, is that you have a lot of leftist cities that pride themselves on their weirdness.
Keep Portland weird.
Keep Austin weird.
And suddenly weird is bad?
I thought weird was your whole thing.
I thought, you know, furry drag queens reading to children was like the great thing.
They're abandoning it because Kamala's a mean girl sorority sister now?
tim pool
Democrats have become the party of the wealthy.
In 2016, Vox.com wrote that.
They have continually become the party of the status quo.
Look at the Lincoln Project.
Look at the neocons who dumped the Republicans and joined the Democrats.
The Democrats are trying to not be the weird party, and it actually is an issue for them.
The far left does the things they do.
Joe Biden doesn't want that stuff.
He tries to push it away, but he can't because he needs their votes.
So they are trying to label... This is what they do with defund the police.
The far left calls for defund the police, and then establishment Democrats try getting on board with it, the New York Times tries getting on board with it, they realize it's unpopular, and then they say, the right wants to defund the police!
When the right said stuff like, de-weaponize the FBI.
They try to push it off onto the right.
I say be weird, fine, but the main play right now is, what every Republican should be saying is, apologize to Sam Brown, call Trump weird, call J.D.
Vance weird, call me weird, all you like.
Me, I like being called weird.
I don't want to be stodgy status quo, but that's just me.
Well, I'll tell you this.
You and I together, Democrats, we will call Trump weird, but you gotta apologize to Sam Brown.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, but they're not gonna do that.
They're never gonna do that.
tim pool
And that's the only thing.
All that matters is that when there is a rally at a small, suburban town, and there's a bunch of undecideds, they can say, Call me weird, that's fine, but please apologize to Sam Brown.
That's not cool.
That's not okay, man.
This guy, he made a sacrifice for his nation.
So say you're sorry and then we can move on and you can insult me all you want.
And they're not going to do it!
And then let the American people see what they're willing to do for their politics.
Republicans, they always become, they get demure.
Look at George Floyd.
The George Floyd incident happens, every single conservative comes out saying, whoa, jeez.
Look at the Covington kids.
When the Covington thing happens with the Native American, all of a sudden, every conservative is like, oh, well, jeez, that was really bad what the kid did.
Very few people said, no, I'm going to challenge and question this narrative.
So now we have a situation where The Democrats want to play this weird angle and insult all the conservatives as weird, and then they call an injured veteran weird, and he happens to get called weird because of his face?
Nah, make him apologize.
Make him apologize.
libby emmons
Part of the thing, though, where Republicans will, you know, say, oh, the Covington kid, that was a problem or whatever, and they'll come out and do that, is because it's only in those moments that Republicans get accepted by the left and get airtime on these legacy networks.
And they want to be liked.
They want to be included in that whole thing.
So they say, oh, sure, I'm never Trump, or the kid shouldn't have smiled, or, you know, the abortion rules go too far, or whatever it is.
Yeah, they'll come out and say that so that they can have access to that platform.
justin nazaroff
Republicans always begin with an apology.
unidentified
Always.
justin nazaroff
And they have to get over that or they're going to keep losing.
libby emmons
And that's sort of what's interesting, too.
If I can, like this Pete Buttigieg interview, another thing that he was saying was that if Kamala wins the presidency, then you eliminate MAGA and that you're back to a, you know, more normal Republican Party.
Because what the Democrats really fear is the MAGA movement.
They're worried, and that's why they're going so hard against J.D.
Vance, because J.D.
Vance is the future of that movement.
He's young.
He's got a lot of political career ahead of him.
He can gather a lot of people around and rally that.
And that's what the Democrats really fear.
They would love to go back to the era of fiscal conservative bowtied Republicans who just want to apologize and be included.
And they're not seeing a way to really defeat a populist movement where people are proud
of who they are and where they come from, where they don't want to apologize for their
guns or their religion or their free speech, you know, or owning their land or whatever
else it is that people just want to do and be left alone.
And the Democrats don't see a way to beat that.
And that's why they're doing this whole Mean Girls thing.
hannah claire brimelow
And they're throwing a lot of stuff at the wall right now.
libby emmons
I mean, they're just because they have nothing.
hannah claire brimelow
We try to get Kamala to be, you know, Kamala is brat.
Like they're going to turn on a lot of stuff.
libby emmons
She's talking to another sorority tonight.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
libby emmons
They're going to throw like the third sorority in a week and a half.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, sorority girls are extremely powerful in America.
The lobby has been underrepresented.
No, but they're going to throw a lot of stuff at the wall because Democrats have typically
always controlled messaging and language.
And they believe that that's their ticket back to the White House because I think, to your point, they are afraid of the MAGA movement and a lot of the MAGA movement introduced a new narrative that they couldn't combat.
And so they have to make all of these very personal attacks.
He's weird.
Like, you know, whatever it is, they're just trying to make it these sort of...
ick factor, like for some reason you just don't like them because they're having a hard time
libby emmons
challenging you had AOC basically saying she was saying that MAGA and JD Vance are incels.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like JD Vance, the father of three, father of three, Ohio who's married, right? But you know,
no, no, it's and it's buzzwords, right? Like if they can just hit like, things that make people
say, Oh, I don't like that person that I know that term is bad. I know I'm going to distance
myself from it. I mean, to the reaction to the DEI higher aspect, they agree with to be something
justin nazaroff
that they're tagged with. Yeah, I agree with Scott Adams assessment of this. And he he's
pretty convinced that whoever came up with the weird tagline, You too.
of the opinion that the democrat party is now the party of women and i and i
don't disagree with that i i think they're really trying to ladies that yet i think they're really trying to
tie into that and we're just sort of a female
insult you know like you they give you all he gives me the it you know he's a
weird guy all these kinds of things guys don't generally insult each
other that way and so i think they're
that the other system and i think they've got the candidate that they
want they they're gonna try I think that they see a lot more potential in her than they do in Hillary.
They would never be able to do this kind of stuff with her because she's a stodgy, stick-in-the-mud woman.
And Kamala, she's got these rappers coming out.
They're acting like it's a party.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, and I feel like conservatives will fail if they give too much in to participating in whatever rhetoric development is happening right now with the media, right?
Like, trying to talk to them about their buzzwords or whatever weird insult they've come up with during this time.
You know, it's sort of irrelevant.
Like, stay the course.
Attack Kamala Harris on things that are relevant, like her time as a prosecutor, her failure to secure national security, her lack of international diplomacy experience.
Like, you could have a substantive conversation that they will not be able to combat with.
All they have is weird and brat.
justin nazaroff
He should say, listen, Kamala, let's sit down and have a 30-minute discussion about the war in Ukraine.
hannah claire brimelow
Tell me about a business you've picked, Kamala.
justin nazaroff
How do you read a balance sheet?
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from NBC News.
Harris's political assent makes the latest target of DEI insults.
Now, we saw this in the Donald Trump interview at the National Association of Black Journalists.
But it's become a big talking point in the media that people are insulting Kamala Harris by calling her a diversity hire.
So they write this big thing about how she's a diversity hire and how it's an insult, and I'll
just pause right there and say, first of all, we have this clip from Tenet Media, which I'll play
for you of George Takei.
unidentified
Strength, optimism, and joy. And she is the very personification of diversity.
You can see it in her and her diversity embraces the world from Jamaica all the way down to South Asia, India.
And beyond that, she what she has done.
tim pool
Okay, blah, blah.
Okay, so she personifies diversity.
So when I say she was hired for diversity, I'm insulting her.
libby emmons
Right.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, I thought that was supposed to be a good thing.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Why isn't the response, if I say Kamala Harris is a diversity hire, should the Democrats then turn to all their voters and say, look at that, look how good we've done with diversity hiring?
libby emmons
We did so amazing that the president is a diversity hire.
Right.
It was our objective.
It did not get there on their own merits.
We say all the time that there's... That is a black woman, so yay.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, we say all the time there's not enough diversity, and then you have this Top-tier diversity selection, and yet you're unhappy about it.
Which is it?
What are you aiming for here?
tim pool
They want diversity hires, but they know that conservatives don't like diversity hires, so they're mad that the literal context of diversity hire is pejorative to conservatives.
And so that's it?
That they lose their minds over this?
justin nazaroff
Well, I think that they know it's a pejorative to pretty much everybody.
In the grand scheme of things, almost nobody wants somebody to be hired only because of what they look like.
They want to be hired because of their qualifications.
If you ask somebody if the mechanic working on the aircraft you're about to fly on was
hired because of merit or because of diversity, every single person is going to say merit.
So they only use that when it's convenient for them to push.
They love diversity when they're trying to bully some Fortune 500 company into hiring
more people of whatever race, whatever color, whatever religion that they think they need
more of.
But when it comes to their own decisions, they don't want to be tied to that same rock.
They don't want that tied around their leg.
They want to be able to pick who they think has got the best chance of winning.
And in this case, they think it's her, not just because of, I mean, clearly not because
of her accomplishments, but they know that she taps into the right demographics and that
unfortunately people on their side of the fence are going to vote for her for those
demographics no matter what.
tim pool
Cernovich tweeted quote To me, the values of diversity, equality, inclusion are literally, and this is not kidding, the core strengths of America.
That's why I'm proud to have the most diverse administration in history, and it starts at the top with the vice president.
libby emmons
Okay?
tim pool
Why are they insulted by what they want?
This is what I don't get.
You know, you get conservatives constantly defending liberals, too.
So I'll say something like, oh, wow, look at the crime running rampant in New York City.
Congratulations.
And they're like, no, that's mean, you can't blame them.
I'm like, whoa, hold on.
So, like, these people in New York vote for crime.
I'm not being cute.
I'm saying they literally have politicians who come out, and they say, we want to release criminals from jail.
We want to make it so they can't be arrested.
We want to make it so that if they do get arrested, there's no cash bail.
And they say, I'm voting for that.
Then that criminal who gets out robs them, and I go, congratulations.
And I get conservatives going, no, no, no, come on, Tim.
What do you mean they voted for it?
I'm cheering them on!
That's right.
It's like I was saying before the show, if a guy comes to me and says, I'm going to juggle, I'd say, okay.
And then when he does, I'd be like, great.
I don't understand.
You say, I'm going to vote for the people who want criminals released, and then you become a victim of crime, I'll be like, okay.
I don't understand why we have this constant assumption from conservatives that Democrats are just making mistakes all the time, and we have to be nice to them for being dumb.
Like, sure, by all means, call them dumb.
But, like, they're the ones who created the DEI initiatives, and now they're mad about it.
I'm not going to get—congratulations, this is what you wanted.
justin nazaroff
Right, to hold them accountable for it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Problem solved.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it would have been interesting if Biden had come out and said, you know, for my VP, I really want one of the nation's best prosecutors, and I'm going to only pick someone who has an—you know, who is a former attorney general, who's had really, you know, a lot of experience, and then, you know, just happened to be Kamala Harris.
But it was always about Who she was in terms of the boxes she would check on an application form in terms of her race, her gender.
You know, I honestly wish she had pushed back about it more, but instead she also was like, yes, I am here.
I'm the first female whatever vice president.
To me, it's very different than the conversations that the conservative movement had.
justin nazaroff
Oh yeah, they avoid it like the plague, you know.
hannah claire brimelow
But there was that whole push for a while.
They were like, no, Trump has to pick a female vice president, which I thought was crazy.
Why does he have to do anything?
He doesn't.
But they were saying, well, you know, because they have this female, so we have to do it too.
Like, this is what makes me crazy, which is like, we all know that it should be about merit.
It should be about how successful this person is.
And instead, Somehow the RNC will start being like, well, but we should also play the identity game because they're doing it and that would make them happy.
tim pool
Yeah.
So this is another component of the story.
Kamala Harris ridiculed for using bizarre Southern accent during Georgia rally, and it's not the first time.
libby emmons
She was code switching.
She does it all the time.
tim pool
Code switching, huh?
kamala harris
But he and his running mate sure seem to have a lot to say about me.
And by the way, don't you find some of their stuff to just be plain weird?
unidentified
What does that mean?
justin nazaroff
It's so rehearsed, right?
No authenticity whatsoever.
kamala harris
Well, Donald, I do hope you'll reconsider to meet me on the debate stage.
Because as the saying goes, if you've got something to say, say it to my face.
I'll say this loud and clear.
unidentified
Without voter suppression, Code switching.
tim pool
Yeah, what they used to do is they'd go to rallies and they'd put on a fake accent because you couldn't track it.
justin nazaroff
Right.
tim pool
You know, before the internet, you'd show up, a newspaper would write about what you said, nobody would hear it, but all the people there would hear you speak like them.
Then you go to Brooklyn, you speak like them, then you go to California, you speak like them.
Mm-hmm.
Now it's code switching.
libby emmons
But you know who doesn't do that?
Donald Trump does not do that.
He speaks exactly the same to everyone.
He could be speaking to a room of garbage men or a room of astronauts or a room of, you know, giraffes and zookeepers.
It doesn't matter.
He would always talk exactly the same, no matter who he's talking about.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
And I think people respond to that authenticity.
libby emmons
Yeah.
And what's interesting, too, is, as I was just saying a second ago, she hasn't held a press conference.
She took over Biden's campaign.
She has not given journalists an opportunity to ask her any questions.
She hasn't spoken from the briefing room.
She hasn't, you know, even just to take questions about her vice presidency.
She hasn't had any communication with reporters.
She's only stood up at rallies.
hannah claire brimelow
To be fair, that's in line with the Biden way of Sure.
libby emmons
But it's really a little bit much that the American people are not going to have a chance to vet this woman before she expects everyone to vote for her and before she's even really nominated.
Is she going to take press questions?
What do you think?
justin nazaroff
I think they're going to try to control her maybe even more than they controlled Biden, to be honest with you.
And that's really what leftists like.
They like, you know, they're the very collectivist in nature.
So they like the idea that there's no one person in charge, that there's sort of a board of directors making these decisions behind the scene.
That's why they were okay with putting Biden up in the first place, because they really knew he wasn't in charge.
And so I don't think that that will bother them at all.
If she doesn't take any press questions, if she doesn't do any interviews, if she doesn't do any debates, I think they're just fine with that because I think what they really want is the team of people behind her to be the ones actually making the decisions.
Whereas people on the right, they tend to like the idea of having an executive in charge.
You could say there's advantages and disadvantages to both, but we're okay.
We want somebody to be making the decisions, right?
It's more like running a SEAL team or something.
Somebody's got to make the call.
hannah claire brimelow
You have a point of contact.
Exactly.
justin nazaroff
You've got the head of this thing.
In their case, they don't want that.
They see anybody who has the ability to make a call as a dictator or some kind of authoritarian.
So I think they're going to try to control her as much as they can.
And I think she's totally fine with that.
I think she's going to put on a big tough persona out in public, but they're going to keep her away from any tough press questions.
hannah claire brimelow
My impression is that she's more dependent on the advisors and people who are kind of running her campaign in a way that Biden had more tension.
And I mean that because, you know, Biden was a successful politician.
I'm not saying he was a good guy, but he was, you know, a seasoned member of the federal government.
And he had won reelection on several different levels, you know, at various points.
So he You know, kind of knew how to campaign in a way that I don't know that Kamala has the same comparable experience.
But Biden, probably because of some age related stuff, or maybe just some sort of internal tension, seemed to be at odds at times with his advisors and his campaign, both in the White House and on the campaign trail.
Uh, Kamala, maybe because she doesn't have the experience that he had, or maybe because she is not in the same kind of mental space that he is, or maybe just because her campaign came together, what, like, last week, 10 days ago, 12 days ago?
It seems like she is really relying on whoever is being like, OK, this is what we're doing.
It's going to be Brad.
OK, now say the word weird.
It doesn't seem like she has her own personality.
It never seemed that way to me when she was running in 2020.
And especially to Libby's point, you know, Donald Trump is who he is no matter what room he's in, no matter how big the crowd is, no matter the location or venue.
There is a Donald Trump, and you know kind of what you're getting.
libby emmons
Well, she doesn't really have her personality.
And she never has over the years.
justin nazaroff
You're exactly right.
Biden existed in politics when he was a guy.
He was somebody important.
He was somebody that he expected people to listen to.
He had his own agency.
But that's not modern politics.
Certainly not on the left.
I mean, look at AOC.
They basically hired her to run for office.
That's the way that I see it.
Well, you're pretty.
You talk well in public.
You've got this fiery personality.
So we're going to make you a star.
We're going to make you somebody.
And I think Biden doesn't really like the idea of that happening because he existed in a time before that was the norm.
But that's really the way that leftist politics are going.
And, you know, unfortunately, you see some of that on the right where they're trying to run celebrities and what have you.
It just doesn't work out well.
Because there's that dissonance where we look at it and say, okay, you guys are running Dr. Oz.
Are you serious?
I mean, I don't, you know, this guy's an idiot.
I wouldn't listen to anything he says.
tim pool
That was a mistake.
justin nazaroff
You're only putting him up there because he's got name recognition, which is exactly what we criticize the left for doing.
So why are you doing this?
And people aren't going to hold their nose and vote for him the way that people on the left will.
libby emmons
Dr. Oz was destroyed by Crudité.
tim pool
That's right.
libby emmons
Amazing.
tim pool
That's right.
Let's go nuts.
Here's the Postmillennial story.
Elon Musk accepts Nicolas Maduro's challenge to a live fight on national TV, says dictator will chicken out.
Who chickened out?
Was it Mark Zuckerberg or Elon?
libby emmons
I think it was Mark Zuckerberg, didn't he hurt his back?
tim pool
No, that was Elon who hurt his back.
libby emmons
Oh.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Zuckerberg does BJJ.
libby emmons
So he was okay with it.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Zuckerberg was like, let's roll, and then Elon didn't do it.
libby emmons
I think that might be right.
tim pool
I think Elon, though, said he wanted to do it in the Coliseum.
They were like, yeah, it's not happening.
justin nazaroff
That's not gonna happen.
unidentified
So did he chicken out or did he just make it too impossible for that to happen?
tim pool
That's how you do it.
He diva'd out.
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro challenged ex-CEO Elon Musk to a fight on Monday, which Musk has now accepted via his platform.
In a national television broadcast, Maduro declared, Elon Musk, you are desperate, you went off the rails, and demanded Musk control himself or you will fail just like the right-wing-led all-American politicians do.
He continued, Whoever messes with me dries up.
Whoever messes with Venezuela dries up.
Elon Musk, you want to fight? Let's have it.
Elon Musk, I'm ready. I'm not afraid of you.
Let's go at it whenever you want.
justin nazaroff
Okay.
I want this so bad.
tim pool
So Elon, what did he agree?
In response, the outburst follows a post from Musk on AXA that accused Maduro of major election fraud after Maduro and his rival claimed victory in the Venezuelan election.
Maduro, leave!
Venezuelans chose to end the communist dictatorship of Nicolas Maduro.
The data announced a crushing victory of the opposition, and the world is waiting for you to recognize the defeat after years of socialism, misery, decadence, and death, Musk wrote.
In response to the New York Post article that detailed the exchange and Maduro's subsequent challenge to a fight, Musk simply responded, I accept.
He fouled.
In another reply, he will chicken out.
How would that even happen?
Would Elon Musk have to go to Venezuela?
Yeah, right, they'd lock that guy up.
justin nazaroff
Maybe they could do it in Cuba.
libby emmons
They'd have to go to a different country altogether.
justin nazaroff
Neutral ground.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know, Mexico City?
libby emmons
Maybe Haiti?
tim pool
Maybe Haiti.
hannah claire brimelow
Haiti is like, please, we will host this fight!
unidentified
They would hold both of them for ransom.
tim pool
I vote no.
libby emmons
Accidentally kill them both.
tim pool
I vote no.
Elon Musk's work with X and SpaceX is substantially more important than him proving that Maduro is a crackpot.
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't... This wouldn't... I mean, proving Maduro is a crackpot, you don't need to fight him to do that.
hannah claire brimelow
I just think this trend of, like, wealthier influential men on Twitter, like, bringing fisticuffs to it, you know what I mean?
tim pool
Like, whoa, whoa, no, this is a tradition, man.
I mean, we had dueling back in the day.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we have let this tradition lap.
So if these men are trying to preserve culture and make dueling great again... I'm good with it.
tim pool
But I'm talking about, like, fisticuffs, right?
A fight on national TV is the way we do it.
Because let me tell you, see, back in the day, people didn't understand this.
libby emmons
I like that you just say that's how we do it.
tim pool
Well, because the duels weren't actually what people think they are.
A lot of people think that duels were like two guys deciding that someone's gonna die, and that's not necessarily true.
So, I was reading about this with Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, and I think it's been a while since I read about this, but I'm pretty sure Burr was like fervently, I'll kill you!
And Hamilton was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it.
So when the challenge was made, typically duels were, your honor was challenged, you were insulted, and so you would stand in a duel to prove that you were honorable and you were dignified.
However, when they would actually draw their pistols, they would purposefully aim away and fire into a tree or into the ground.
So Alexander Hamilton is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, draws his pistol and fires it away, and Burgos is like, literally wanted them.
So duels were never actually about, I'm sure there were a lot of duels back in the day, like if you go 100,000 years, but like in our American history.
The duel was just to prove that you would stand by your words in the face of the most extreme circumstance.
So I say, you know, like a boxing match sanctioned with a ref, Elon Musk, Nicholas Maduro, I would prefer we have that over war.
How about this?
If there is a war to be had, Israel and Iran, here's what we do, you choose a champion, Israel chooses a champion, and we put them in a gladiator's ring, and then this determines the outcome of the conflict, I guess.
justin nazaroff
That's like the first scene in the movie Troy, right?
Right.
Let's not have this war, you choose your champion, we'll choose our champion who wins.
Yeah, it's good.
I mean, I'm down with that.
tim pool
And they got the big brute dude, and then Brad Pitt takes his armor off and just starts running.
justin nazaroff
Running right at him, yeah.
tim pool
Dude, that movie's great.
Love that, yeah.
We can get Mark Zuckerberg involved.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, do they have to bring seconds to this?
Does Elon bring Mark Zuckerberg?
tim pool
Who would Maduro bring?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
tim pool
Who's running Cuba?
libby emmons
Mark Zuckerberg should be Elon Musk's second.
tim pool
Right.
So who would Maduro bring?
libby emmons
It should be the Brazil guy.
Who's the Brazil guy?
tim pool
Oh, uh, that's not Lula, is it?
justin nazaroff
Bolsonaro?
libby emmons
Yeah, Lula.
It should be Lula.
tim pool
Yeah, but he's so old.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, we didn't say it was a good second.
tim pool
Not that any of them were.
hannah claire brimelow
What's the second?
justin nazaroff
The second is just there to prepare you, right?
tim pool
Or... Tag team!
unidentified
Load your pistol, I think the second... No, this is fisticuffs.
tim pool
No, it's there so that when Elon's getting tired, he runs over and he tags Zuckerberg and then Zuckerberg jumps in and...
libby emmons
A combo of dueling and, like, what is that, Mexican wrestling, lucha, or whatever?
hannah claire brimelow
I would take Mark Zuckerberg, or I would take Hulk Hogan as Elon Musk's second.
unidentified
Elon, if you're listening, I'm totally open to being your second.
tim pool
I got a lot of experience.
Imagine if you had, like, an MMA, Elon Musk versus Maduro, how expensive those tickets would be.
Like, legit, like $20,000 a ticket.
justin nazaroff
I mean, that's what it costs to go to the Super Bowl.
It would probably be a million dollars.
tim pool
Wow, I'd have to go.
libby emmons
You'd have to go.
tim pool
If they were just like, we're gonna do it in Vegas.
libby emmons
You'd have to go.
tim pool
Maduro gets diplomatic protections.
And like, could you imagine Maduro like walking into the Octagon and he's got like his... Bruce Buffer, it's time!
How old are they?
justin nazaroff
So ready.
libby emmons
Maduro looks old.
hannah claire brimelow
Maduro's in his fifties.
tim pool
Hey man, Maduro's a bus driver.
libby emmons
That means he's tough like Ralph Kramden.
tim pool
Yeah, no, and I sincerely mean this, all credit to Maduro, he was not some uppity political class, country club, golf-swinging guy.
hannah claire brimelow
He's 75 years old.
justin nazaroff
Alright, I think Elon's got it.
I think he's got it.
tim pool
That's why Elon checked his age before he accepted.
He's like, I'm good with this.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh my gosh, wouldn't that be amazing?
justin nazaroff
Oh boy.
tim pool
This is the current state of geopolitics.
We have Iran ordering a retaliation strike on Israel, which we're freaked out about, and then you have Elon and Maduro having a flame war.
You know what's actually interesting is I remember, this is like the first time, this is I think 2014, it was Operation Protective Edge, Israel and Hamas.
The al-Qassam brigades were launching missiles into Israel.
And Israel was, of course, you know, Iron Dome, and there was some retaliation.
And then the Al-Qassam Brigades on Twitter, at the time it was Twitter, were tweeting like, you know, by the glory of Allah, we will destroy you and wipe you from the map.
And then the IDF responded to them being like, you can try, but you'll never succeed.
And then they went back and forth several times.
And then I'm sitting in this room with a bunch of journalists, and someone's just like, guys, I think this is the first actual flame war in a war.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, a real Twitter war.
tim pool
Like, they're actually, they actually mean it, it's a war.
And then, in all seriousness, which was crazy, was it was one of the first times we got video footage of both sides of the conflict.
justin nazaroff
Right.
tim pool
So, you had, I think this may have been Gaza.
The Hamas put GoPros on their guns, and Israel put GoPros on their APCs, and then when the footage got uploaded, people compiled it, and you could actually see both sides.
unidentified
Yeah, and now that's just what you do.
justin nazaroff
I watch updates on the war in Ukraine twice a day, and that's all it is, is FPV videos of people getting drone bombed.
Everything's live now.
It's a totally different world.
tim pool
People keep saying to pull up the Trump water video.
unidentified
That's where he tightens the water bottle cap.
hannah claire brimelow
I can't wait till the article where it's like, that was a microaggression.
justin nazaroff
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
Yeah, what is that?
justin nazaroff
He doesn't drink from it.
He grabs the water, he tightens the cap and puts it back on the table.
tim pool
All right, let me pull this up.
We got nuance bro.
I don't know what it was for.
Yeah, it legit looks like He grabs her water bottle.
justin nazaroff
He tightens it down.
tim pool
Did he really tighten it?
donald j trump
What did you say?
unidentified
So, what I wanted to say was, the last time we spoke, you said some words that were perfect.
tim pool
I don't know.
justin nazaroff
Maybe he tried to crack, maybe he realized the cap wasn't cracked and then he realized it wasn't his water and put it back.
hannah claire brimelow
Or like he, he didn't realize which water bottle was his.
He's been up there for a while.
He reaches for it, but then the lady is clearly asking a question and he's like, instead of taking a drink, I'm going to put a water bottle, like put this down.
Um, I like the idea that he just tightened it, uh, to see if she'd be able to open it later better.
But I don't actually think that's what this is.
tim pool
Yeah, no, I don't think so.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, he should bring a mayonnaise jar to the debate and just hand it to Kamala and say, all right, you're gonna- Just answer, opens pickle jar.
She's answering, you just hear the click.
Oh yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, some people say it looks like he's loosening the water bottle, but people keep messaging being like, pull the video, pull the video up.
hannah claire brimelow
What if he was loosening it for her?
What if she had tried to open it, couldn't?
So he's actually being a gentleman.
We'd never hear that story.
justin nazaroff
No.
tim pool
I much preferred the story that I was told, that he grabbed it and tightened it as hard as he could so she couldn't get it and then put it back, but that is- I'm gonna go with that.
Well, it's not what happened.
It's not what happened.
Donald Trump has many things, but he has not that.
I wish he was.
Imagine being so petty.
That'd be great!
Anyway, I guess where no one really expects Elon Musk to fight Maduro, we're just wasting time by talking about two people who are insulting each other on the internet, which is all day every day.
justin nazaroff
It's a real serious situation going on in Venezuela, too.
It's sort of washing over the top of all that.
Well, look at that.
There's election rigging going on and people are getting shot in the street and Venezuelans can't defend themselves.
Well, I think that's what you get.
If you can't defend your vote, then you have nothing.
And if the government has all the guns, then eventually election rigging is going to happen.
I mean, look at how much corruption there is in government because there's really no oversight.
It's easy to get away with.
Imagine if they could get away with rigging elections and know that there's no recourse for the public to do anything about it.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to this.
We have this tweet from David Marcus.
He says, I am crossing the Rubicon and backing the Republican Party and President Trump.
Many, including a former version of myself, get trapped in a mental framework that becomes their identity and prevents them from radically evolving their thinking with new facts and information.
I finally broke free from it.
My journey has been gradual political 180 from where I stood in every previous election.
It has been an eye-opening process of disenchantment, zero-basing lifelong beliefs, and rebuilding it from there.
I'll pause real quick before I read more.
David Marcus, CEO and co-founder of Lightspark, opened payments on Lightning, ran payments and crypto at Messenger and Meta, led PayPal, built three startups.
So this is a Facebook PayPal guy.
Saying he's changed his mind.
He's going Donald Trump.
He says in 2017 a good friend enlisted me to pitch the DNC to raise a hundred million dollars from Silicon Valley founders and executives.
The aim was to use these funds and know how to build a CRM and tech platform to prevent a repeat of Hillary Clinton's inadequate outdated 2016 campaign.
We met with DNC leadership who told us we could raise that money, but it would have to go to the general fund.
A single-digit percentage would then be allocated to tech in the wake of one of the most shocking failures they didn't want the help.
The next series of realizations began in 2019 when I was at META.
Right after we announced the Libra White Paper, I testified before the Senate and the House, and subsequently spent significant time in D.C.
engaging with lawmakers, cabinet members.
At the time, I still believed the mainstream idea that Democrats were all about serving the people.
However, I was shocked to learn that, for the most part, Republicans cared more deeply about their constituents, while Democrats, in my experience, cared more about government power and control.
This is my observation on balance, with many stories to back it up.
I also found that more Republicans wanted to understand our project's goals and took the time to learn about the risks of censoring payments and controlling the network.
I found myself remarkably aligned with them.
Then COVID came.
I'm going to skip over, I don't want to read his entire, you know, it looks like maybe a thousand words.
He says, some claim that re-electing President Trump will bring our democracy to its knees.
However, the alternative, having unelected individuals with this much power and no accountability run our government, coupled with four more years of bad policies at home and abroad, might present a more significant threat.
Neither will likely change in a Harris administration and could potentially worsen.
In this pivotal moment, confronted with the choices we have, I am endorsing and supporting a return to a Republican administration in 2025.
Silicon Valley, my friends, And we've seen with Elon Musk is going mega.
libby emmons
I think it's really interesting what he says, zero-basing lifelong beliefs, the eye-opening process of disenchantment, zero-basing lifelong beliefs and rebuilding from there.
Because I think that a lot of times what happens is people are not open-minded about what they believe.
And it's so important to always know what you believe and why you believe it and to interrogate the foundations of your beliefs so that you know at all times what it is that you think and why you think it.
And that way you are ruling your ideas as opposed to being ruled by them.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think people often are critical of how they came to the conclusions and this like any political or religious or whatever belief they sort of just roll with it or they take bad information and then build their lives around it without really thinking about why.
And, you know, Silicon Valley is so fascinating because I think For whatever reason, maybe just because it's in California, so many people just kind of assumed it was left.
It had to be, you know, Democratic stronghold when, you know, really it's a center for entrepreneurial spirit and energy.
They probably have a lot of contact with the federal government that's very unpleasant and, you know, a lot of our trade policies, a lot of our You know, national security issues really impacted that industry in particularly.
And so it's interesting to have someone come out and say, like, I was sort of default this way and I had to re-evaluate why.
And I think probably a lot of people do that all the time in their lives, but definitely during the last 10 years.
tim pool
Well, what does this mean for us?
When Silicon Valley begins to flip, Mark Zuckerberg said Trump looked badass.
We know that Facebook censored that image.
But are we going to see, perhaps, closer to the election, Silicon Valley realigning behind Trump for a variety of reasons?
For one, if they do believe Trump is going to win, they're going to hedge their bets.
And they're going to go to Donald Trump, and they're going to go to his allies and say, do not destroy our company.
When you win, what do you want?
And so basically, these people just start pouring in and lining up behind Trump for that reason.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, and I think that's something that the right has suffered from is a lack of tech.
You know, they don't really have a lot of exposure, and maybe that's another reason that they see, well, this is an opportunity for us to actually, you know, he's talking in there about building this CRM tech platform for Hillary's campaign and how it was outdated.
I think the Republicans suffer from that much more, and so as a business opportunity, There's probably more money to be made from them approaching the right and saying, look, you guys are way out of date.
You know, your email lists suck.
You don't need us.
You need us as much as maybe we think we need you to pass the right kind of policy so we can make some money on this by reinventing you a new platform to be able to reach your potential voters.
And at the same time, they see the political winds shifting.
So maybe it's going to work out better for them to switch.
I'm not sure that that'll happen on the grander scale.
tim pool
And it's a cascade effect.
They feel Trump's going to win.
The polling favors him.
So they start lining up behind him, which gives him the groundswell, gives him the tech advantage, and then Trump wins.
libby emmons
Cause they want the influence as well.
And they've been donating to him.
They had that big fundraiser in June.
You know, it was like Biden had the LA Hollywood fundraiser, but Trump had the Silicon Valley tech fundraiser.
I would rather have the tech fundraiser also because Hollywood turned on him so fast.
Like those are some fair weather friends.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Should be interesting.
But I think the bigger question ultimately is just, we don't even know who the Democrat nominee is.
And we are 97 days out from the election.
So...
hannah claire brimelow
But that should all come together, like, basically next week, right?
Isn't the Ohio deadline August 7th?
libby emmons
I mean, they're supposed to have this virtual roll call?
tim pool
Yeah, when's that supposed to be?
libby emmons
That's supposed to be pretty soon.
And they keep saying that, oh, this was planned since May.
But I think it's pretty, I think that whole thing is pretty fake, because what they want to avoid is some kind of floor fight.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and if it was planned since May, give me the specific date.
They've been shifting around.
Don't say this, Ray.
tim pool
It was planned because we covered the story.
libby emmons
Because of the Ohio thing.
tim pool
Right, because Biden wasn't going to be on the ballot in Ohio because of it.
But I think it was pre-planned before that they knew Biden was going to drop out.
We had been discussing this almost a year ago.
libby emmons
They knew they were going to force him out.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
I think they always floated the idea of having it.
It was something they thought about, but they, you know, I don't think the DNC is as organized and strategic as, they're not moving as one unit right now.
And I think there's a lot of internal fighting.
libby emmons
They're trying.
tim pool
This is why they chose to have a debate.
Biden didn't need to debate Trump. He didn't debate before.
He hid in his basement.
They had a couple debates back in 2020, but he didn't need to debate him.
It was intentional so that they could create a public pressure and get popular support among
Democrat voters so that Biden would be removed. But the reason they did it was because they
didn't want RFK Jr. to win the nomination, and he would have.
libby emmons
Yeah, he would have.
Yeah, he's the one who should really be pissed about this.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I guess so.
justin nazaroff
They do.
I mean, they did it to Bernie Sanders previously.
tim pool
Could he not?
Is it too late for him to try and run on the Democrat ticket?
He's running as an independent.
He's already got the signatures.
He's saying he's going to stay as an independent.
libby emmons
Well, I guess it would be too late if they do the virtual roll call.
Otherwise, he could drum up support and have a floor fight.
tim pool
You know you should do?
If I was RFK Jr.?
I mean, I guess the issue really just is if, you know, it's like RFK Jr.
doesn't like Trump.
Fine.
But if it were me...
I would seek the Democratic nomination on the floor, win it, and then a month out, resign
and endorse Trump.
unidentified
Oh boy.
libby emmons
That's it.
justin nazaroff
You think that RFK is- I mean, they tried to whack Trump.
I think they already whacked one candidate.
tim pool
I think they'd probably- Well that's why you need Secret Service protections.
But RFK Jr.
had that phone call with Trump where Trump asked him to endorse him.
And then that wasn't supposed to be released, I guess.
Was it RFK Jr.' 's kid released it and then they deleted it right away?
I would not be surprised if, in October, RFK Jr.
announces he's endorsing Donald Trump.
Because if RFK Jr.
goes to the Democrats and says, I want to reel in these corporations that are putting environmental toxins in our food and our medicines, etc., they're going to say, screw off.
We know who butters our bread.
If he goes to Trump and says, Trump's going to be like, okay.
Deal.
I want to win.
And we'll figure it out.
And RFK Jr.' 's going to be like, let's roll.
You know what really is crazy to me?
The paths to victory for Trump, even in 2020, because this is what I said, if Trump appointed Tulsi Gabbard to national security advisor in the last year of his term, and then asked Andrew Yang to be an economic advisor, he would have gotten such tremendous support from independents, post-liberals, and even many Democrats.
And a lot of conservatives, too.
But he didn't want to do it.
He wanted to play the traditional round.
I mean, he picked Pence.
He really thought he was playing ball.
He thought he was going in, he was going to play ball with the machine, but he was present.
He gets to say, and the intelligence agencies told him, no, we're going to tell you what to do.
And he said, no, thank you.
I have promises to keep.
And then so they accused him of being a spy working for Russia.
justin nazaroff
Let's say he gets elected.
Do you think that's what he'll do this time?
Do you think he'll make more aggressive cabinet picks?
tim pool
Yes, more aggressive, but far from what we hope.
You know, look, you've got a lot of right-leaning libertarian types who are hoping he's going to go and schedule a left, just fire all these people, and he'll fire some.
It'll be a slow process.
The news will trickle out over a couple years of various people being fired.
And you mostly won't hear much, but a good amount of people will probably get fired from these bureaucratic positions.
And it's not going to be crazy.
There's not going to be military tribunals.
There's not going to be an insurrection act.
We already saw what a Trump term looks like.
This one will be slightly better.
He's not going to try and play ball early on.
But we saw what Trump did after he fired Bolton and stopped playing ball with these people.
It was still just a marginally good presidency with peace agreements, timelines for withdrawal from foreign countries.
The economy was doing pretty well until COVID.
And that's it.
That's it.
libby emmons
Illegal immigration was pretty low as well.
tim pool
Yeah, there were a lot of encounters, but the scary thing is, when you see, when you check the amount of encounters from the border, that's because we're trying to stop them.
justin nazaroff
Right.
tim pool
When you're not trying to stop them, the numbers disappear.
justin nazaroff
The numbers go down.
unidentified
Right.
justin nazaroff
We just missed them.
tim pool
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I tweeted it, and you will see what I tweeted, but I'm going to keep this one because it's It's brutal.
It's about women and men in sports.
A woman was paralyzed.
A young teenage, young adult, 17 years old, paralyzed.
And we'll talk about that in the members only, because that one will be a little heated.
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PolyPuree says, I hope I'm first, and indeed you are!
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
Robert Delacruz says, first?
Incorrect.
You lose.
Okay.
Dadpool says, good name by the way, would Timcast sponsor veterans trying to get hobbies instead of the easy way out?
We need extra help and a way to reach out besides mental health help.
I don't know that we could do anything like that.
I mean, we're not prepared for anything like that.
There's probably a lot of organizations that we could partner with and promote to help fund, but I don't know.
justin nazaroff
Maybe a skating event.
tim pool
Yeah, Snake Farm.
Shout out to Snake Farm Skateboards.
They're a very veteran-oriented skateboard company.
I don't know their full company message or whatever, but we're friends with Cody, Julia, Chad.
And that's Snake Farm.
justin nazaroff
I agree with them.
Part of the problem with veteran mental health is a lot of them just want to get out of the house and be around other people and do something that gets their mind off what's going on.
We've sponsored a group in Michigan for a little while that was doing some shooting events for the same reason.
It's something that they're already interested in, but it's getting them out, getting them around other men.
People to talk to, you know, indirectly about their problems rather than trying to sit down in front of some counselor.
And yeah, anything that they could do to be more active is a great idea.
tim pool
Check out snakefarmco.com because we're good friends with these guys and it's veteran oriented.
I think the website's mostly clothing, but I wonder if they have their skateboards up because it's a skateboard company too.
That's how I know.
hannah claire brimelow
Sometimes I think it's hard for people to find all these resources.
Like, there are a lot of people doing really great, specific work that have a lot of options, but... Hard to find.
Yeah, and I think for generally, you know, my observational anecdotal experience has just been that transitioning out of the military is not as easy.
As anyone thinks about it, you know, I think it's actually very difficult.
And for a lot of people, especially who are, you know, been for a while, who have had these specific careers, like translating your experience to the outside world is complicated.
So part of it is just, I wish there were, there's like an encyclopedia or a go-to place where it could be like, I'm a veteran, I'm looking for this kind of support, or I have these kinds of interests, or I need, you know, whatever.
Because so often it's just, you know, you could Google search forever, but you're not connected to what you need.
tim pool
All right, Marodney says, can I get a shout-out for my birthday tomorrow?
Currently celebrating that and my three-month sobriety by having a couple glasses of whiskey.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
Back to sobriety tomorrow and the gym next week.
So long as you're not seriously compromising your sobriety and if you just mean you're trying to be healthy.
You know, some people...
If someone is someone who's not an alcoholic and they don't drink all the time, but they decided just to stop drinking, then it's no big deal if you're like, well, I haven't had a drink in three months, but I'll have some tonight.
That's fine.
But certainly I hope that you're not fighting for sobriety and deciding to take the night off.
You should not do that.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, I would agree.
tim pool
But anyway, happy birthday.
libby emmons
Happy birthday.
tim pool
Titan Soap says, is anyone buying the rebranding of Kamala?
Yes, they are.
Welcome to American politics.
I mean, you look at the rally and you've got all the people behind her and they're all
cheering and hooting her on and it's like, man, you know, it's really crazy.
Is if if you went to the average Democrat and actually showed them real news, I'm sure
they would experience physical pain.
It's from the cognitive dissonance.
Because, a good example, Politico reported that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election to help Hillary Clinton, and Politico reported a few years later that it was actually Russian disinformation that Ukraine interfered in the election to help Hillary Clinton.
So, Politico is Russian disinformation?
That's not to say that showing someone this story makes them support Trump.
It shows them that what they think is true is false.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, I had a conversation with a woman at the yoga studio I go to.
Definitely on the left, I would say she would probably describe herself as a communist, actually.
And we were just chatting outside and we started talking about Kyle Rittenhouse.
And it was just crazy to me how, I mean, we had a good conversation about it.
We're good friends, but, you know, the perception.
Oh, well, he shot a bunch of black people.
He shot this woman.
It's like hold on a second Where did where did you get that?
I mean this and this has been this is like old news It's been around for years.
tim pool
You could have looked at this anytime you want but Lurch685 says, Iran has hypersonic missiles and FAFO.
So let me give you the quick breakdown for hypersonic missiles.
All ICBMs are hypersonic.
The issue, however, is that when they're talking about hypersonics, they're talking about missiles that stay closer to the ground, which gives much less time for radar to detect.
The way you can think about it is, here's the curvature of the Earth, and if the radar is pointing up here, and you fire an ICBM, oh, we can see you, baby.
We can see you in the sky.
But if you've got a hypersonic close to the ground, it's gonna get real close to you before you notice it's there, and then, how do you defend?
That's the scary thing.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, I'm not sure about that.
I think there's a lot of debate whether it's true, you know, hypersonic is such a new technology that every country is claiming they've got hypersonic missiles.
But you know, even Russia, some of the missiles that they say are hypersonic, they are to some degree at certain points of the trajectory, but not all the way.
So I I would be shocked to see Iran investing that much money into hypersonic missiles when they could be producing tens of thousands of low-cost drones that fly, you know, 400 miles an hour.
But it's, you know, volume and saturation.
You can't shoot.
The Iron Dome is great.
They don't have enough missiles to shoot down 10,000 drones.
tim pool
That's the end of the story.
And also even the weaponized consumer-grade drones.
that you see for use in Ukraine. These are small drones that can carry a couple kilograms
and they can put explosives on it. Warfare is getting crazy, man.
justin nazaroff
They're 3D printing them in the field. I mean, I'm friends with a couple guys that 3D print
guns, they 3D print small FPV racing drones, and these things can fly 50, 60 miles an hour.
And yeah, they don't carry a ton, but, you know, one pound of C4 can do a whole lot of
tim pool
damage.
Those Ukrainian videos are out. They're horrifying, dude.
This is why I'm pissed off the US is involved in this stuff, because I don't even want to talk
unidentified
about it.
tim pool
We'll save it for the members only because I don't want to start describing these things.
justin nazaroff
Watch Military Summary Channel on YouTube and you'll see as much of that as you'll ever need to.
You'll get some interesting updates on Ukraine, maybe from a pro-Russian perspective, but that's sort of counter to what you see in the U.S.
news media that's obviously very pro-Ukraine and it'll change your mind about what you think about modern warfare for sure.
tim pool
All right, Ben Hickson says, Tim, I saw your Civil War face-off quiz.
The score at the end left me speechless, just like the best-selling book by Michael Knowles.
That was a whole lot of fun.
Michael and I, it was really funny because...
I got caught off guard.
They asked me if I wanted to do a Civil War thing, and I was like, I don't know.
I mean, if he's preparing for it, I mean, and you guys are setting it up, I'll just lose, but sure, we'll roll.
And then the first question was, who killed, I can't remember, Mary?
I don't know Tony Stark's mom's name.
But Howard Stark, to start the events of Avengers Civil War.
And then I just laughed.
It actually caught me off guard, and I froze for a second, and I was like, Oh yeah, yeah, Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier.
And I was like, I did not expect that question.
I'm like, listening to him, I'm wondering if the first question is going to be, what was the nickname of the man who led the march to the sea?
And then I'm waiting for some, and then it's an Avengers question.
And then he had a couple other, they had a couple other silly ones, but it was ultimately pretty good.
However, I must stress, as many people pointed out, there was a couple instances where casualty and deaths were confused.
And I believe he asked what was the deadliest battle, and it was Gettysburg and he said 50,000 dead.
I think that's what the comment said, and it was 8,000 dead and 50,000 casualties.
And then I said that I thought it was like 1.8 million dead, but I mixed up casualties in my answer because it was 1.6 something million casualties in the Civil War, which is captured, wounded, or dead.
But other than that, it was great fun.
And then at the end, we did double or nothing, and I won and Michael lost, so.
The score was 22-0, I believe.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, it was funny, because the last question was in their hit single, Together Again, by Smokey Mike and the God King, what was the original runtime?
And I knew the answer was around five minutes, and then Michael's like, that's not fair, he worked on the cover song, so he's like, he knows the runtime.
And I'm like, you wrote the song!
justin nazaroff
You picked the game, yeah.
tim pool
But it's his song, he wrote it.
Yeah, so that was a lot of fun.
Guys, check that out, because it was actually really informative and really fun.
And there are some funny moments.
People like that I drew a picture of a cat.
And I did.
Alright.
Larch says, there was no strike in Israel.
Golan Heights is occupied Syrian territory.
Well, okay.
John Kristen says, in a world where normal is weird, be a rebel and be weird.
There's no normal.
It's just like, I don't know, man, be you.
Do your thing.
And do it with confidence.
Because, uh, the example I like to give is, in high school there are two people.
One guy farts, and then looks around and is embarrassed, and then people point him out and say, ah, look, he farted, and they start laughing, no I didn't, shut up, I didn't fart.
The other guy leans back and goes, hey guys, check this out.
And then intentionally farts and laughs about it.
And they go, oh, you're a dick.
Two people who did the same thing.
One guy owned it and laughed about it.
And it's interesting because I try to use the silliest way to describe this.
But the real difference is an individual who is ashamed and an individual who is proud.
Like, look, dude, everybody farts, grow up, cry about it.
You choose to be embarrassed or not.
You want to live every day Proud of who you are and what you do.
And if someone insults you, you can be like, well, that's what I am, I guess.
All I can really do is wake up, go to work, buy food and take care of business.
So that's just me.
They want to come out and be like, Trump's weird.
I'd be like, okay.
I guess weird is good.
Cause I like Trump.
Good weird.
Let's roll.
You're welcome.
I love Public Square.
justin nazaroff
I've had many good conversations with Michael.
They've got a lot of stuff in the works.
I'm pretty excited about trying to You know, ammunition is always a product that's tough to
sell on the internet.
There's a lot of rules, a lot of regulations, but they're really working hard to make Public
Square be the place for gun companies that Amazon never will be.
unidentified
So I'm really excited to see what he's going to do.
justin nazaroff
He actually called me when he was at the RNC convention, and him and I are going to get together.
I'm not sure how much I'm actually able to say, but anyway, he has some great ideas.
He wanted us to take a look at it, and I'm super excited to work with those guys.
tim pool
Good things in the works.
We'll leave it at that.
Cristiano says Judge Joe Brown says Kamala ain't black.
They're dropping savage clips from the interview over on the Art of Dialogue channel.
Interesting.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, Joe Brown's great.
Watch his interview on the PBD podcast.
unidentified
It's great.
hannah claire brimelow
I saw that interview.
I think it was, it probably was NBC.
They had sent a reporter to talk to black men, you know, after she had been announced as the presumptive heir apparent to the Biden campaign, I guess.
And, you know, it was clear the interviewer was caught off guard because he asked them, he's like, So, you know, now that Biden is out, will you support Kamala Harris?
Like, expecting it to be yes.
And all of them are like, no.
There's five different guys and they're like, no.
And he's like, who are you going to support?
And they're like, Donald Trump.
I think there is sort of an expectation that everybody fall in line with this campaign, but I don't think she's as appealing as they clearly are hoping she will suddenly become.
libby emmons
She hasn't ever been appealing.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
justin nazaroff
I think we're going to be surprised at the split of the vote between black men in particular.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you're right.
I think it'll be a reckoning to be sure, or at least an early wake-up call.
justin nazaroff
I think a lot of them are going to be telling their wives they voted for Kamala and they're going to have voted for Trump.
And I've had many of those conversations in the last week.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
What have we here?
unidentified
Fat Hravdsky?
tim pool
Employee of Mars here.
The whole plant went down due to the CrowdStrike update.
It was a forced update.
Normally, they give it to Mars, then the control guys put in the virtual machine, and then... Oh, interesting.
Do you mean like Mars candy bars?
justin nazaroff
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, Mars Incorporated.
tim pool
Employee of Mars?
Mars Inc?
They make all of your favorite candy bars.
What does Mars have?
Milky Way?
They make Snickers?
justin nazaroff
Yeah, I think, you know, at the top there's probably only like two or three actual companies.
tim pool
Yeah, there's Hershey's and there's Mars.
libby emmons
Nestle.
tim pool
Nestle.
Can I just stop real quick to let everyone just stew on how weird a candy bar is?
libby emmons
I do not remember the last time I ate a candy bar.
justin nazaroff
What's weird about it?
tim pool
Okay, a piece of candy I understand.
Like those Lindor truffles?
It is a small ball of chocolate and you eat it.
It's one bite and it is a treat.
A candy bar is an amalgam, a large one, of sugar and sugar and sugar mashed into a like 300 calorie bar.
And I just think that's kind of strange.
libby emmons
You don't think Snickers really satisfies?
tim pool
I think it satisfies your sugar craving.
justin nazaroff
How much sugar is in there?
I mean in college I honestly, there were times where I was up late studying and peanut M&M's were like the perfect combination of sugar and protein.
tim pool
I don't mind so much an M&M though.
It's not a candy bar.
An M&M is one thing and you can choose to eat like three or four of them or eat a whole bag, whatever.
I just think like a candy bar is a block of sugar and caramel and I'm just like that's kind of strange.
libby emmons
It's a weird snack.
justin nazaroff
Is it stranger than going to Starbucks and getting, um, you know, a triple whatever.
The caramel, what is the caramel?
180 grams.
I saw a video on Twitter where they showed, uh, they scooped sugar into a cup next to the actual Starbucks drink.
And I mean, it was almost two thirds full.
It's a liquid candy bar.
Liquid candy bar.
tim pool
It's more than that.
The caramel frappuccino.
Is just pure insanity.
justin nazaroff
Yeah.
tim pool
They like, they pour caramel on the bottom, then they line it with caramel, then they fill it with a sugary milk drink.
There's no coffee in it.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
Yeah, because the caramel drizzle one is like, it's got, and they take sugar crystal crumbles and they mix it all in.
libby emmons
Have you guys seen the like, it'll be like a, you know, Instagram or TikTok or whatever, where they're doing a coffee drink at home.
And they pour caramel on chocolate, or chocolate, on the outside of the glass.
Have you guys seen this?
tim pool
On the outside?
libby emmons
And they pour it on the outside of the glass.
And then they like... It's a garnish.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, but it's like, meanwhile... It's like the salt on the margarita.
libby emmons
Yeah, but it's not like the salt on the margarita.
No, I mean, they drizzle the outside of the glass.
justin nazaroff
Oh, the whole glass?
tim pool
With chocolate.
I ain't touching that.
libby emmons
No, it's disgusting and weird.
And it's always somebody with, like, really long fingernails.
justin nazaroff
Hey, easy with weird.
libby emmons
That's some, like, ASMR going on.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought we didn't care about weird.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, we didn't care.
tim pool
I, uh, the other day, for breakfast, I make an oat flour pancake with, I mix in some oatmeal, have some butter on it, a protein shake.
And then I don't have lunch.
And then for dinner, I had carne asada.
It was just like thin steak with rice and beans.
It was delicious.
And I felt great, and then I had a protein shake later at night.
And when I went to bed, it was the first time I've got two fitness trackers, and they both gave me a perfect score.
It was just like, whatever you did!
And I was like, I ate light, low-sodium meat, rice and beans, and didn't eat garbage.
And I usually don't eat tons of garbage, but always just a little bit.
There's always something in there.
But this one day, and I'm just like, man, I don't think people realize how bad they feel.
Because they eat this stuff all day every day.
justin nazaroff
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think that's a thing, too.
Yeah, I'm pretty careful about what I eat.
hannah claire brimelow
And I don't think we are always honest about, like, what it is we're eating.
Because what I'm thinking of right now is, when I was growing up, Fruit by the Foot was, like, the cool thing, right?
Like, you wanted your mom to buy that.
My mom never did.
And put it in your lunchbox.
And I'm pretty sure it was sold next to, like, the gummy fruit snacks that, like, Mott's or Welch's sells now.
But I was in a gas station the other day, and they're selling the Fruit by the Foot with the candy now.
So I'm just saying it was always candy.
It's just eventually someone was like, OK, either this product dies or we call it what it is.
libby emmons
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think that happens to a lot of people.
Like, you know, all kinds of fad products will be like, oh, you have to eat this cereal.
It's great.
And you read the ingredients or become more aware of what it is.
It's not good.
tim pool
I'm not sure that Mars is a reference to the candy bar company, but I don't know what else it could be.
So, you know, there you go.
justin nazaroff
Who knows?
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
John Maxwell says, what would you all order from Chili's?
The only thing I'd ever order from Chili's, when I worked for O'Hare Airport, we had a Chili's to go right above where we worked, and I just ordered french fries.
justin nazaroff
I haven't been to a Chili's in so long.
Did they have the, they used to have, I think they had what they called tostada nachos.
It was like basically big nachos, like, you know, only like maybe 10 of them, but they were piled up.
I think that's probably the only thing I can name at a Chili's.
hannah claire brimelow
I can't think of what I'd order at a Chili's, but, you know, I know from Applebee's, like, I've gotten their burgers and stuff, and it's totally fine.
Chili's.
I do remember when Chili's was doing their, like, margarita promotion, where it was, like, $5 ritas, but they're mostly water.
libby emmons
Is Chili's the Funyuns?
Not the Funyuns.
The Bloomin' Onion.
justin nazaroff
No, that's Outback Steakhouse.
Okay.
unidentified
Traditional Australian cuisine.
Exactly.
justin nazaroff
Just like they made it at home.
tim pool
You know, I don't eat fast food.
Except Taco Bell.
libby emmons
You're a big Taco Bell guy.
tim pool
Rarely.
I think I've had Taco Bell three times.
No, maybe five times this year.
Because there was one period where we had it like two times that we ordered it for everybody early in the year.
But I think maybe five times this year I've had Taco Bell.
And that's the only thing.
justin nazaroff
You count five guys as fast food?
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I eat five guys every Tuesday.
tim pool
It's not the worst.
You know, they're pretty good.
I've had five guys maybe five times this year as well, and it is fast food.
So, fair point.
I do have fast food.
But I think the only big problem with it is the salt.
It's too much.
I don't think people realize how much the salt really messes you up.
justin nazaroff
Salt?
tim pool
Yeah.
justin nazaroff
See, I'm kind of the opposite.
I think people don't eat enough salt.
I actually put salt in my water most of the time.
I mean, there are days where I work out twice a day, so you're losing a lot of salt and potassium.
So maybe for your average person, it's not working out very much.
tim pool
Oh, dude.
A McDonald's cheeseburger is, what, 48% of your daily sodium intake?
justin nazaroff
Yeah.
tim pool
I could be wrong.
Don't get mad at McDonald's, but something really high.
justin nazaroff
But who decided that that was the right number?
The same people that created the food pyramid?
tim pool
Well, I'll put it this way.
I started paying attention to the amount of salt in my food because it was messing me up.
Yeah, I'm just tired all the time, dehydrated all the time, because everything's got so much salt in it.
I'm like, just don't put salt in my food, man.
I'll drink a coconut water or something.
I'll get my salt where I need to get it.
But everything's loaded with salt.
Heat fried, covered in oil and bread and salt.
libby emmons
Not if you just cook all your I mean, I even make like, I even make my own junk food.
You know, like I'll make pizza or like I'll make birria tacos or I make different like, because after we left New York and there's not a lot of takeout options.
So I started learning how to make a lot of takeout options.
So, you know, I'll make my own ramen.
justin nazaroff
I put a whole tablespoon of salt in my sourdough bread and it's good and salty and it's great.
tim pool
Yeah, but that's... I just mean, like, you go out to eat, everything's loaded with salt, like, to an insane degree.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, at restaurants, for sure.
tim pool
Alright, Megha Johnson says, Tim, was the Casper discount forever?
I bought together again.
Thought it included a lifetime discount.
Great coffee.
Greatest podcast.
God bless.
Yes!
It did.
And so if something happens, send an email to Casperoo to make sure it's still functioning.
The challenge is it's hard to track who, like, hard to track.
Although we, like, if you bought together again, you should have a permanent discount.
Only if, I think, you had to, I think what it was is you had to use the subscribe.
The discount was good for like a certain amount of time, but if you subscribed to a coffee with the discount, the discount applied to your subscription forever.
And what was supposed to happen is if you ended the subscription, but then restarted it later, the discount would still apply.
But, if you bought product with the discount, then came back three months later, it wouldn't work.
So it was like... Yeah, you had to subscribe.
There you go.
All right, all right.
Elegant News says, Trump should apologize for having dinner with white supremacist Kanye.
When she brought that up, he should have been like, well, you know, that was a that was yay.
justin nazaroff
What are you guys talking about?
tim pool
And, you know, he and so I'm sorry that he came.
I thought he was a great guy.
But apparently you don't like him.
So I apologize.
He called him yay.
JH251 says, They said that Biden was running for president.
He dropped that after the debate.
Who's to say that Kamala won't do the same thing?
Trump wants to make sure the debate is with the real Democrat candidate.
No, I agree.
Don't even know.
justin nazaroff
I think it'd be so late.
tim pool
I mean, let's say they debate- Well, they can't get on the ballots.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, they wouldn't be able to get on the ballots.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think- Well, it was like when people were saying, or Ron McDaniels was like, Trump shouldn't skip the primary debates.
That's ridiculous.
He needs to do this.
And actually the reality was like, he didn't need to do that at all.
He was polling way ahead and, you know, it only served to benefit them.
I think it's similar with the debates right now.
Acknowledging Kamala before she is officially, like, at least people cast ballots for Biden, right?
No one's cast a ballot in favor of Harris being the presidential candidate for the Democrats.
Agreeing to a debate right now, especially if they're going to, you know, roll call nominate her next week, it only serves to make her seem like a legitimate challenger, which they're desperately trying to make her legitimate as fast as possible.
tim pool
Alsory says, actually Kamala isn't even part Jamaican.
Her mother is Indian, and her father stated he's Irish and Indian that came from Jamaica.
Not indigenous Jamaican, he just lived his life in a British colony.
Is that true?
justin nazaroff
I've heard that she- I had heard that before.
hannah claire brimelow
Her family has ties to, like, the slave trade in Jamaica, but I don't- Yeah, Irish background.
libby emmons
Irish slave trade.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
That true?
libby emmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
Or like Great Great Something was an Irish slave trader.
justin nazaroff
I want to say they were talking about that back when she was running in the primary back in 2020.
That was one of the arguments.
tim pool
Now I'll tell you, I don't care about any of that, but woke people sure do.
justin nazaroff
Sure.
tim pool
So let's see what they think when they find out that their champion, who they've always loved and supported and who was their favorite person ever, and they all voted for... I'm kidding.
Nobody voted for her.
Nobody likes her.
So I'm pretty sure nobody will care.
They'll just be like, yeah, we don't like her either.
And it's like, okay.
Bill Huxtra says, the weird branding amongst everyone could possibly be the one thing that could be used as a unifying method.
justin nazaroff
I agree.
tim pool
Trump should come out and say, like, keep it weird.
justin nazaroff
Keep it weird, yeah.
libby emmons
Keep it weird.
tim pool
I mean, if he just came out and he was like, we don't like the boring status quo deep state!
Uniparty, now we're weird!
hannah claire brimelow
I just feel like you should be like, is weird the best you've got?
That's your big claim to fame, that we're weird?
Sorry, I couldn't care less.
justin nazaroff
Weird is cool.
tim pool
That's why I was saying, if the Democrats were like, hey you're weird, I'd go, oh.
libby emmons
How about that?
justin nazaroff
I mean, some of the most fun stuff I've ever done is things people would consider weird, but my brother actually got into this thing called straight lining.
The idea is you want to go from one side of your city to the other in a perfectly straight line, and then they score you.
unidentified
So you basically plot a path, and then they have different levels.
justin nazaroff
Gold level is you can only deviate 20 meters from the line you choose.
So if you choose a line that goes through a swamp, you're screwed.
tim pool
What is that building?
justin nazaroff
You're screwed.
You picked a bad line.
Silver, I think, is 40 meters.
Bronze is like 60.
But he has an app.
He actually did it.
He's got it on YouTube.
He did it through Novi, I think, a week and a half ago.
And I think he achieved the silver level.
But it was pretty tough.
I mean, he was in a swamp, like up to his waist at one point.
What city?
Novi, where we live and where our factory is.
He had to get around some buildings, but part of it is choosing the right line.
You gotta look at it from Google Earth and you can't see all that, like the swamp that he had to walk through just looked like a green patch in the woods.
And your phone, your GPS tracks your... Yeah, he's got an app on his phone and he had a GPS with him and he's got it all on there.
You can see the line and you can see where he deviated.
tim pool
You have to walk.
justin nazaroff
Yeah, you have to walk.
No tools?
Well, you could use, like, he didn't bring his trekking poles, and that was a mistake he decided, but yeah.
tim pool
Bring stilts to walk in the swamp?
justin nazaroff
Yeah, he started at, I think, 4.30 in the morning, because he had to walk through some residential areas, and he didn't want to be walking through people's yards in, like, full camo dress, you know, like, at 10 o'clock when everybody's getting into their cars.
But yeah, that's awesome.
Like, that's weird, and it's cool as hell.
unidentified
It's fun.
tim pool
All right.
James Garlic says, Tim, from your morning live show, I must say, of course a half Asian would do math during a bar fight.
unidentified
LOL.
tim pool
Love you, man.
The point I was making was that someone said something like, if you get punched in the face, you're not going to start negotiating.
I said, that's not true.
It just depends on the circumstances.
If someone punches you in the face and there's a clear and present danger to you and the people around you, that's not Yeah.
thing then you're going to defend yourself. But if somebody hits you, you're startled,
you move back, and there is no active fight, and they put their fist down, it's probably
appropriate to be like, we're ending this now before it gets out of control and I'm getting
out. And I said, some people have ego, and they're going to be like, you hit me, now it's on.
I'm like, dude, I'm just thinking, I got employees, I got a company, if somebody hit me...
justin nazaroff
You got a lot to lose.
tim pool
Right. And then if I hit back, how much do I lose in a lawsuit versus how much do he lose?
Yeah, negotiating happens when it needs to happen.
Because what I said was, the fight you win is the fight you don't get into.
justin nazaroff
Absolutely.
tim pool
But there's a lot of people with ego who think if someone threatens or challenges you, you gotta fight, and I'm like, those people are gonna lose a lot.
Or maybe they have nothing to begin with.
Alright, let's grab a couple more, a couple more Super Chats before we jump over to our members-only show.
Savannah says, So, Vayna, been watching your content for years and love Mr. Boca's Pumpkin Spice experience.
I posted a coffee jingle on YouTube inspired from an IRL super chat on 729.
Hope you like it.
Where can I link?
Love you guys and appreciate all you do.
Keep up the great work.
Tweet Ian.
Send a post to Ian on Axe and see if he'll see it.
There you go.
What can we do?
We can grab one more here.
Warpig says, down with candy bar tyranny.
I never said you couldn't have a candy bar.
I just think it's weird to cluster all of it into a bar.
I'm just saying, like, if I'm gonna have a piece of candy, it's like you go and you're like, okay, I'll get like a truffle, and you know, you get a couple of them maybe.
hannah claire brimelow
Somebody has to have a good YouTube documentary on, like, the history and the development of candy bars, right?
Because, like, I'm thinking peppermints were a candy, but also people felt like they had some kind of, like, anti-nausea medicinal purpose.
How did we get to where we are?
All of these things start as something else.
libby emmons
They were always just sweeties.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
And so how did we get to this, like, chocolate-covered format for the candy bar?
tim pool
No, there's king-sized ones.
unidentified
Come on.
tim pool
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justin nazaroff
Yeah, sure.
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Check out our website, phoenixammo.com.
We got some great stuff there.
We also have a sister company that we started up.
Maybe you can see in the back the laser engraved birch wood back there.
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We're doing custom laser engravings, a whole bunch of different stuff on there, gun related things.
We can take custom orders.
Yeah, trying to branch out.
tim pool
Cool.
hannah claire brimelow
Libby, are you working right now?
libby emmons
Oh, no, I was just looking at this.
I was looking at the story.
hannah claire brimelow
He's cheating!
We're all supposed to react at the same time!
I'm just kidding.
libby emmons
No, because I remember it.
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