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tim pool
to because it's hard to tell exactly what's going on but he just stops
moving stares at the audience Obama's waving grabs Biden's arm and give him
a little tug and then Biden starts walking with him Obama puts his hand on his back and seems to lead him off stage.
Now Democrats are freaking out saying, it never happened, you're lying, but there's video of it.
I don't know how you deny this stuff.
Here's the best part.
You know, over the past couple of weeks, things have gotten really, really bad with Joe Biden.
You had that video from the G7 where he's like wandering off for some reason.
Karine Jean-Pierre claimed these were, quote, cheap fakes.
I don't know what that means.
And then deep fakes.
These are real videos of Joe Biden.
They are worrisome.
So we'll talk about that.
And I do have some some fun news for you guys, because apparently a Canadian study, they mentioned that they're concerned about Civil War.
So we're going to talk about that plus a whole lot more.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Chris Rose.
unidentified
Thank you for letting me be on tonight, Tim.
It's a pleasure to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
unidentified
I am a fourth-generation West Virginia coal miner who just won the Republican primary in West Virginia State Senate District 2.
I am Senator-elect.
I am essentially running unopposed for the general election.
And what makes my election unique is I went up against a two-term incumbent who was the Senate Health Chair.
He had $1.2 million in campaign support for a state Senate job.
It's only 60 days out of the year.
And my team defeated him with $54,000 in a grassroots activist campaign.
And it's been getting a lot of media buzz nationwide to show people that you can beat the establishment with good old grassroots campaigning, and that while money, you need a little bit of money to campaign, it's not always the guy with the most money wins.
tim pool
That's right!
Glad to hear it, man.
Thanks for hanging out, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Joining us tonight also is Aidan Mattis.
aiden mattis
Hey guys, I'm Aidan Mattis.
I am the host and lead researcher for the Lore Lodge YouTube channel, where we talk about strange history, unsolved mysteries, and weird disappearances.
hannah claire brimelow
That's cool.
Two guests, one show.
I'm glad you guys both are here.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, Scanner News.
Follow them at TimCastNewsOnTheInternet.
Hi, Serge!
unidentified
Yo, you too.
Let's get started, Tim.
tim pool
Here's the big news.
First, we're going to start with this one, just so you can get an update on what's happening since this weekend.
Biden appears to freeze up and has to be led offstage by Obama at Megabucks LA fundraiser.
Now, you name it.
Democrat pundits are saying it never happened.
It's a lie.
My favorite was our good friend, the Krasensteins, our good friends, the Krasensteins, where they posted this video where it shows Biden smiling and waving, and then it cuts to a wide shot as Biden freezes up for about seven or so seconds, seven or eight seconds, he freezes, but this wide shot they post, you can't see anything.
So actually we have this clip that was posted by Chris Gardner from, I believe this is the Hollywood Reporter.
So this is, this is corporate press right here.
Take a look at this video.
Let's try and see if we can zoom in.
unidentified
and uh... on the place for you there you can see is just
and and and i'm moving and
Oh, my God.
tim pool
you So I counted.
It's about seven seconds where Biden just stops moving.
And his arms go down and he just stares.
And then Obama grabs his arm and gives him a little tug, and then Biden turns, starts walking, then he puts his hand on his back.
Now, I tell you this.
If it was Joe Rogan, who was standing on stage and smiling and just staring off, and Dave Smith grabbed his arm, gave him a tug, and then Joe turned, it was like, oh, and they walked off together, I wouldn't think anything of it.
But Joe Biden's had in the past week so many of these videos coming out that the real issue is, this is how I described it earlier today.
If your friend is walking, you know, you're like, let's say you're walking to go get a slice of pizza and he stumbles a little, he trips on his, you know, stumbles and you're like, whoa, are you all right?
You don't think anything of it.
Five minutes later, he does it again.
You're like, bro, are you something wrong?
Then, you start to notice that over the next couple of weeks, he seems to be tripping and stumbling a lot and having a hard time standing up.
You might be like, hey man, I think something's wrong.
You've been having issues.
This is what we're seeing with Joe Biden.
The reason why people are saying this looks bad for Joe is that it keeps happening over and over and over again.
What do you guys think?
Mountain out of Moho?
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think it's getting worse.
I mean, when the press was describing it, they were saying, you know, he had to get let off stage, the hand on the back motion, but I actually think the arm tug is the worst part.
The arm tug is a former president leading our current president off the stage.
Like, this is not good.
The fact that somebody else has to be like, you're supposed to walk away now.
And Corinne Jean-Pierre was asked about this during a press gaggle today, and she was like, Well, you guys are making a big deal out of nothing and they're old friends, you know?
That's just something that happens.
Old friends, you know, pat each other on the back and apparently guide each other gingerly off the stage?
Very, very weird to me.
I don't know how you guys feel.
aiden mattis
I just don't understand why we have people this old in charge.
I get that they're the most experienced, but sit back, take an advisory role, be in the cabinet maybe, but stop running for office.
Stop being the guy who has the nuclear codes.
Let Gen X take over.
It's time.
tim pool
I agree, and it's not even Gen X, I think millennials too.
Like, where are millennials in running for office?
We're starting to see it.
unidentified
Good.
tim pool
They should have been running more.
Way too much of Congress, the Senate, are a bunch of old people.
But I will give the caveat, while I certainly would prefer a much younger candidate, that's why I like Vivek, for instance, you can't, like, look, Joe Biden's, what is he, 81?
aiden mattis
Yeah.
tim pool
And Trump is, what, 77?
hannah claire brimelow
Just turned 78.
tim pool
Just turned 78!
hannah claire brimelow
Because his birthday was, like, last Friday, right?
unidentified
His birthday's Flag Day.
tim pool
But, yeah, but 78?
I thought he just turned 77.
So he's 78.
hannah claire brimelow
Let me double check.
tim pool
Yeah, let's make sure.
aiden mattis
I honestly thought he was older.
tim pool
Yeah.
I agree on the age thing.
But come on, like, Trump is spry.
You know what I mean?
Man, 78 years old.
And see, I'm not a big fan, right?
And that's why when people bring up Biden's age, Trump says, no, there's no problem with how old he is.
He's just a bad president.
It's like, ah, there is a problem with how old he is.
And there's a problem with how old Trump is too.
But there's like the gap between Biden's gaffes.
I mean, like Trump doesn't have these.
These just don't happen.
The media tries to make claims about Donald Trump.
But I gotta be honest.
If Donald Trump, I guess at his funder, at TPUSA, he said the wrong name of a doctor, and they were like, we got him!
He said the wrong- I'm like, we mix up names all the time.
Everyone does.
You could be 15, you could be 35, you could be 27, you could be 81.
People mix up names.
I'm not gonna- I don't get mad at Joe Biden for accidentally calling John Smith Rick Smith or something.
hannah claire brimelow
I think one time on the show I was talking about Bill Barr, the former Attorney General, and I said Bill Burr.
tim pool
I say that all the time.
hannah claire brimelow
It's rough, man.
It's one vowel, but it makes a huge difference.
tim pool
I'd take that.
aiden mattis
I'd have Bill Burr.
tim pool
But there was an issue.
I don't know.
He's like, he's pretty far left.
aiden mattis
Can it get worse?
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not for a Bill Burr attorney general, I will say.
tim pool
Bill Burr said during COVID, he said, I don't care.
I just turn on the TV.
If they tell me to do it, I'll do it.
And I'm like, but my point is, Joe Biden got names wrong.
He got the name of Syria wrong and said Libya.
And I'm like, that's a real big problem if he's giving orders.
Kind of feels like people aren't going to want to listen to him if he's given these, you know, if he's this deficient.
But again, it's not about whether or not you make a gaffe.
Trump can make a gaffe, but you watch Trump do these rallies off the cuff and he's lucid.
You look at Joe Biden and it's just...
hannah claire brimelow
It's getting exponentially worse. Has Joe Biden ever done an hour long interview? I mean, over
the weekend at Turning Point, Trump spoke for an hour. He does hour long like he did an hour
long interview with Dr. Phil like he can speak for a long period of time. I feel like we never
see that from Joe Biden. And even here, you know, maybe they're trying to mimic podcasting with this
like three person panel, make him seem more casual or whatever. But it also to me comes across as like
he can't actually be on stage for that long alone.
Like, he needs the break to be able to recover.
tim pool
He was on for 40 minutes.
hannah claire brimelow
40 minutes with two other people.
tim pool
Yeah, so probably didn't talk.
hannah claire brimelow
Tom could talk for 40 minutes just to himself, I'm sure.
tim pool
Yeah, he probably does.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, it's a huge difference, you know?
And like, I, again, maybe this was a formatting choice to make him seem with it, cool, who knows?
But it just really did not convey a sense of strength or leadership.
Like, do you remember, there was a video of, I think it's from the G7 Summit, it's from an international meeting with, you know, you've got like, I don't know, man.
It's the grains of sand in the heap.
Trudeau, whatever. And Trump like moves someone out of the way so he can be in a better spot
for the photo. Like maybe you don't like it, but he is not going to be led off stage by
Obama. And I think that's that's telling of the mental state, even if they are similar
tim pool
in age. I don't know, man, it's it's it's the grains of sand in the heap. You know,
I think with this Obama, they were supposed to leave the stage.
And the only reason Obama stayed and waved is because Biden stopped.
And he's thinking like, come on, we can't leave before the president.
Right.
And so that's why he finally just grabbed his arm.
I think the plan was you get up and now you walk off the stage.
Biden wasn't doing it.
He's lost.
He's lost out of his mind.
unidentified
Yeah, and for the administration to say this is cheap fakes and we just need to be dismissive of this, this is a one-time thing, it's not.
It's happened three or four times within a week.
Normandy, the fundraiser, and it's happened several times now.
hannah claire brimelow
Didn't he, wasn't it pretty, in the last couple weeks he was giving that press briefing and then he got asked a question as he was exiting the room and he like turned back just smiled kind of weird. That was when they asked if he
tim pool
was responsible for Trump going to prison.
Yes. For Trump's guilty conviction at prison. And then he just like,
and everyone's like, okay, this dude is like, either he's evil. And he was turning and giving
that smile like, yes, it's me, or his brain doesn't work.
And he's just like, and he doesn't It's not good.
hannah claire brimelow
I think this is the leadership of our country right now.
unidentified
I mean, we're talking about a guy when you ask him, well, what do you think about the issue at the southern border?
And his response is he likes vanilla ice cream.
I mean, that's a huge problem.
The cognitive decline of this president is on full display.
I mean, 2020 was bad enough.
I mean, it's cognitive decline was already there.
But I mean, in the last four years, it's got so much worse.
And we have, you know, Biden being led off the stage by Obama is the perfect analogy for what this administration has been.
It's Obama's third term.
Biden, you know, the lights are off.
Nobody's home.
The people behind, let's face it, other people run this administration.
This guy doesn't know what world he lives in.
And that's what the rest of the world sees.
That's why we're not being taken seriously on a national stage.
That's why, you know, at the G7 Summit, that's the other one I was thinking of, he wanders off the stage at G7.
They're having this little photo op and he's wandering off.
tim pool
Oh, they were outside at a skydiving demonstration.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
And he turns around and starts walking away when they're doing a photo shoot.
And then what happens?
The media runs out.
No, no, he was greeting some other veterans.
It's like he's in the middle of a photo op with all these other world leaders.
He's clearly breaking protocol.
hannah claire brimelow
The Prime Minister of Italy went to go get him, like, not good!
Thank you for that, I guess, Italy, but rough all around.
tim pool
I honestly, I kind of wonder how much people really do care at this point because I kind of just feel like there's no country.
You know, I hate to say it because it sounds, I don't know if it's blackpilled or whatever, but how many times can you point out that the President's brain doesn't work?
Many people have been saying for years he's a puppet, weakened at Bernie's president, and I'm like, if that's the case, and Trump's being charged with crimes that don't exist, and we got this one video, this one story, a J6er has been in pretrial detention for 1,200 days.
I'm like, I don't think we have a functioning country at all.
It's just not there.
aiden mattis
Yeah, and the Libertarians just nominated a furry, so that's not great.
tim pool
Well, it's not actually a fur, is he?
aiden mattis
He had, like, the dog mask thing in one of his pictures.
unidentified
No!
aiden mattis
Yeah, the same one as the general who had the dog mask?
Yeah, there's a picture of Chase Oliver with that on.
tim pool
Chase Oliver wearing a dog mask.
That's a- Wow.
aiden mattis
Unless it was, like, fake, but it looked real to me.
hannah claire brimelow
I think part of the issue with the- Go Libertarians!
aiden mattis
Yeah, right, like, thanks.
hannah claire brimelow
I think part of the issue is that the Democrats are successfully trying to Pivot from a figurehead presidency.
They're trying to sort of say like, oh, Biden, he's, you guys are mean to him.
You know, he does everything right all the time.
But you know what?
If you elect Trump, he's going to take every right away from you.
He's going to lock you guys all up.
It's all awful.
Like they have successfully tried to steer the ship in such a fear-mongering path that it's actually, it doesn't matter who's president because it just can't be Trump.
And that is sort of problematic for voters because Biden's not actually popular with his own party anymore.
tim pool
Here we go.
You ready for this one?
CBS Austin.
White House claims recent viral videos of Biden are actually deepfakes.
And Corinne Jean-Pierre actually invented a new word I had never heard before.
Cheapfakes.
I was trying to make out what she said.
I still don't know that's exactly what she said.
But according to the Daily Beast, she said the word cheapfake.
Well, here you go.
karine jean-pierre
Ironically, several recent fakes actually attacked the president for thanking troops—for thanking troops.
That is what they're attacking the president for.
Both in Normandy this happened, and again in Italy.
And I think that it tells you everything that we need to know about how desperate—how desperate Republicans are here.
And instead of talking about the president's performance in office—and what I mean by that is his legislative wins, what he's been able to do for the American people across the country—we're seeing these deepfakes, these manipulated videos.
And it is, again, done in bad faith.
tim pool
So Charlie Kirk posted, unbelievable. Kareem Jean-Pierre is blaming deep fakes for all the
videos going around exposing how old, feeble, and senile Joe Biden looks anytime he steps out in
public. This sums up the White House comm strategy in one video, don't believe your lying eyes.
I called this. I said, I'm not saying I'm the only one who called, I was just saying
the AI conversation is going to turn into a tool to deny bad press.
And Democrat default libs are going to believe it.
And this is why they do it.
These people are evil.
They are liars.
I cannot understand.
What this, like what goes through a person like Karine Jean-Pierre's head, when she steps out there and just lies through her teeth, then accuses everyone else of lying.
Yo, we can all watch these videos.
Over and over and over again, we're like, these things add up.
And now she's saying they're deep fakes.
Oh, I also want to shout out when she mentioned that she had in Normandy and with the G7 in Italy.
Calling those deepfakes where he was trying to thank the troops.
She didn't mention what the subject of those videos actually was.
It was not a deepfake when Biden squatted on the stage and some people believed that he was having a boom boom.
You know what I mean?
And that's unfortunate if that's the case.
We don't know for sure.
But they're calling it a deepfake.
I'm sorry, that actually says to me that I think it's probably more likely to be true that Biden pooped his pants and he's seen Alan wandering off, because they're calling them deepfakes.
You know, the bigger the story, the bigger lie.
They're really hamming this up.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, the clips that I saw of all of these things originated in mainstream media.
aiden mattis
Yeah, it looked like news coverage.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
It was a clip, like, with the NBC News banner going around the bottom.
It's with, you know, whatever CNN logo.
Like, unless you're saying someone I watched one on an MSNBC morning show.
So unless you're telling me somebody let the MSNBC morning shows watch a fake version of this, I think you are just lying to yourselves.
I think you are lying through your teeth and hoping that your narrative is the one that ultimately is promoted by the press, which who, by the way, also shared these videos of Biden speaking in this raspy, slurred voice, looking lost.
It doesn't make any sense.
And yet she's just expecting, I guess, their allies in the media to back her up.
tim pool
But I mean, you were just criticizing the general age, Aiden.
You're voting for Trump.
aiden mattis
I genuinely don't know what I'm going to do.
I have never voted for Trump.
I was hoping that we were going to get Dave Smith or Josh Smith or any of the Libertarian Smiths.
There are quite a few of them, actually.
Yeah. And we got now we have we have 81 year old Joe Biden.
We have 78 year old Trump and we have 30 40 something year old Chase Oliver who wears furry dog
puppy play masks. Like what am I for real? I'm at this point I'm gonna vote for like the
Constitution Party. I don't even know just just out of protest. I don't think he was wearing a dog
unidentified
mask. What percentage of voters? It wasn't like the full like furry dog mask. It was like the kink dog
mask.
tim pool
Yeah, I know, I get that, but I've never seen a photo of Chase Oliver wearing the kink mask.
aiden mattis
It was being shared in libertarian circles.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
aiden mattis
Maybe, like I said, maybe it's fake, but it did not look good, and I mean- I watched the guy talk, it's just, there's nothing there.
hannah claire brimelow
He's gonna come out and say, that's a cheap fake.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You got no choice, you gotta vote for Trump now.
I don't want to.
I mean, the purpose of voting for a president is for two big reasons.
Law enforcement and military foreign policy.
So, you vote for Joe Biden, what do you get?
unidentified
War?
aiden mattis
Yeah.
tim pool
You vote for Trump?
Well, when Trump was president the first time around, he was actually withdrawing our troops and trying to bring peace.
Whether he was successful or not, some people have opinions about the Abraham Accords, like Dave Smith, and I disagree on that, but he was bringing peace.
Crossing the demilitarized zone into North Korea was one of the most significant moves made by a U.S.
president in my lifetime, maybe even in history.
I know there's no Korean War 200 years ago, but a president walking into enemy territory and shaking the hands with the enemy leader trying to get a peace agreement is massive.
You vote for Joe Biden, you get war.
To be fair, you vote for Chase Oliver.
I do not believe Chase Oliver will start wars.
aiden mattis
Yeah, that's the difficulty.
It's like, I really hate the optics on this guy, but I don't think he's going to do any foreign policy no-nos.
His domestic policy is... I like his economics.
I don't necessarily like some of his social stuff.
tim pool
Oliver?
aiden mattis
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't even like his economic stuff.
He's pro-vaccine mandate.
aiden mattis
Yeah, but that's not economic.
tim pool
I mean, like, businesses shutting down, firing people who've had careers for 10 years.
aiden mattis
I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying then, yeah.
That's not great.
hannah claire brimelow
Mandates subsidized by the government?
Like, I don't understand any of this.
tim pool
And I always gotta stress this, because immediately Libertarians come out and they go, he is not for mandates.
He does not believe the government should be allowed to... Almost all of the vaccine mandates were private.
Were private businesses that were saying, we've hereby just arbitrarily decided, out of our 100,000 employees, we're gonna force them to undergo medical treatment or they get fired.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's the Libertarian Party for you.
Trump kept saying it shouldn't be allowed.
It's your choice.
I at least can accept that.
But I don't know how you could not vote for Trump.
aiden mattis
I personally really liked the discussion that was going around.
It was being led by the Mises caucus of basically taking the Libertarian Party and saying, hey, you want our three to five percent of the vote that you never get?
tim pool
Three to five percent.
aiden mattis
Three to five historically, you know.
Recently, the last four elections.
But, you know, my point is, like, they had a deal.
It was basically, you get our votes, you'll probably win the election no matter what, but we want something in return.
And the more, like, traditional libertarian side was like, absolutely not.
As if we were gonna win anything on our own, ever.
unidentified
Yeah.
aiden mattis
We weren't.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you ever think of yourself as a libertarian?
unidentified
I mean I have a lot of libertarian leaning policies.
I worked with the Tea Party movement for many years and that stems from libertarianism in a way.
Ron Paul, Rand Paul were big champions of the Tea Party movement and that's how I got my start helping people like them and Alex Mooney and Mike Lee and others get elected.
And I do have a lot of libertarian views.
I want government out of my life and out of the way.
And you know, like West Virginia, you know, you think of coal country, right?
War on coal.
That's government interference that took a very prosperous state and turned it into one of the least economically ranked states in the country.
We're at the bottom of every measure you could think of now because of that government interference.
So yeah, a lot of West Virginians fighting back against that are libertarian in nature.
We want government out of our lives.
tim pool
So Joe Jorgensen in 2020 got 1.2%.
aiden mattis
Yeah, that might have been worse than I thought it was.
Yeah.
Dude, we were at 13 in the polls with Johnson at one point, and then he made the best foreign policy claim of all time, and everybody said, well, absolutely not.
tim pool
That was actually a good point you made before the show, what is Aleppo?
And, you know, you were like, that's actually the correct position.
I actually agree.
Like, you know, I was always saying that if If it were Trump and he was asked about something he didn't know, he would just patter like a boss.
unidentified
He'd be like, Aleppo, I know a lot of people are concerned about it, but we're going to talk about jobs.
tim pool
Jobs are more important.
And that would be the deflection.
You don't got to address what it is.
You don't got to say anything about it.
Johnson goes, and what is Aleppo?
And if you think about it.
It is bad.
The president's supposed to be in charge of foreign policy.
But it's funny when you think about it.
We'd be better for the president who didn't know what was going on at all, because it would imply we ain't doing anything there.
Instead, we get a president who's like, let's secretly put troops.
Barack Obama, when did we declare war on Syria?
Does anybody remember when the declaration happened and the troops were ordered to Syria?
hannah claire brimelow
Obama woke up one day and said to himself, I think I should send troops there, and he said to himself, that's a great idea, sir, and that's what happened.
tim pool
And what are they doing?
Oil.
Donald Trump.
Man, I love this guy, Trump.
He's in office and it was so much fun.
When he comes out, that famous moment in front of the helicopter, and he's like, we're selling weapons to the Saudis, it's fantastic, it'll be great for our economy, and all of the anti-war leftists were just like, Oh my God.
He just came out and said it.
He just admitted it.
That's what we do.
We sell weapons to these countries and bolster our economy.
And then he mentioned, we're trying to get our troops out of Syria.
We're going to leave a couple hundred in to guard the oil.
I was like, wow.
I kind of feel like he was given a middle finger to the deep state by doing those things.
Just at blurting it out.
That's also how you know aliens aren't real, because that dude would have just told you.
He would have been like, oh yeah, it was aliens.
aiden mattis
That was a conversation we were having on Inverted World last night.
Yeah, last night was about aliens and the whole like, are they among us already thing.
And it's just like, if they were, I feel like we would know it by now.
unidentified
It's just the illegal alien.
tim pool
You saw that Harvard study?
unidentified
Yeah.
aiden mattis
I'm not against it.
I like the idea.
I mean, I'd have a Bigfoot series.
Like, I don't necessarily believe in Bigfoot, but, like, I'm open to it.
But, you know, that was, seeing that, like, the way the government handled the alien thing was so different from how they've handled every actual disclosure of anything ever.
They were like, oh, yeah, everybody, come on, media, everybody come here.
We're gonna have a big hearing.
We're gonna have a really big hearing and tell everybody everything.
And I think with the government, considering how much closed-door shit happens, like, it's just not... It doesn't make sense.
I can't get that.
tim pool
Harvard put out that study where they said maybe they're fairies.
You saw that?
aiden mattis
Oh yeah.
tim pool
No joke.
I'm being dead serious.
A Harvard paper or whatever, I don't even call it a study, said that they believe that aliens could be fairies.
And elves.
hannah claire brimelow
That's very open-minded of them.
tim pool
A little too open-minded.
hannah claire brimelow
They're thinking outside the box.
I love that creativity.
aiden mattis
I think they called them cryptoterrestrials at one point.
tim pool
Yeah.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard that West Virginia has the most cryptics in the nation.
unidentified
Cryptids.
tim pool
Cryptids, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Sorry, I'm fired.
aiden mattis
You got Flatwoods Monster, you got Mothman, you got your... Snailigaster.
Yeah.
tim pool
Snailigaster.
You got the, um... Oh, man, I'm forgetting them.
Don't you have Sheepsquatch?
aiden mattis
I think so.
tim pool
I think that is West Virginia.
Mothman, of course.
You're talking about Bigfoot.
unidentified
The Bigfoot Festival is actually coming up down in Sutton, West Virginia.
So that's actually coming up.
tim pool
What's that?
The Grafton Monster.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Anybody who plays Fallout 76 knows all about all the West Virginia Cryptids because they're all in the game.
But these are all actually based on actual monsters, which I have no idea why West Virginia has so many, but it has a lot.
hannah claire brimelow
Can you answer this for us as a native?
unidentified
No, I'm not really sure, but you know, this is just something you grow up with, these folklore stories, and it's just, you know, the older generations just love telling stories, and I guess, I wouldn't assume a lot of them are based off similar characters, that just, it's kind of like a thing you whisper in the ear, and it spreads across the classroom when you're a kid, and it changes by the time it gets to the end.
I think it's how a lot of these characters were created, is from storytelling and stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
Treasured regional culture, I guess.
tim pool
You know what I think it is?
What I think it is, is that West Virginia is very mountainous.
The reason it wasn't heavily settled, despite being East Coast, was because of the Appalachian Mountains.
And so you don't get a lot of people there.
It makes it easier for stories to emerge.
So a guy, he's walking through the woods and he sees a gigantic sheep or a goat and it, you know, bucks or something.
And then he goes and tells his friends like, I swear it was standing on its legs and it was a sheep.
And they're like, like Sasquatch, but a sheep?
Yeah, sheep-squatch.
And there's no, there's like, there's less people around.
So it becomes a tall tale.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
In big cities, everybody talks to each other and it just goes on the internet.
And then everybody just says, you know, debunk, nothing happened.
Or someone tries to explain it away.
You get more fun when you live out in the middle of nowhere.
hannah claire brimelow
I wouldn't be surprised if it's also part of the Irish, the Scotch-Irish heritage here because a lot of that culture has sort of a mythical creature element and especially the folklore telling.
You know, parables or all these stories are often used to teach people lessons and so there's a level of like crossover culture.
You have a community that's like we got to be able to reference something and also we believe that in these, you know, these other things.
It's an interesting potential consequence of regional immigration.
tim pool
Maybe they're all just elves.
aiden mattis
That's what Harvard thinks.
tim pool
That's where your money's going.
aiden mattis
That's the whole fairies and elves thing that they're doing.
That's because there is this wide classification of that in entirely continental folklore, but that's one of the cool things, what you were saying, the Irish and Scots stuff.
They brought all their fairies over, and because of the way their culture was set up with the clans and the tribes, they actually felt a close connection to a lot of the Native American tribes they ran into out here.
So they would intermarry a lot, they would trade, and what happened in a lot of cases was you got these stories where you'd have the fairy stories from the Irish and the Scots, and then you'd have these stories of things like the Wendigo and the Tulkaloo and stuff like that, that the Cherokee and the Algonquin had, and these things then morph and turn into even more things.
And then as you get the communities going out, they come up with all sorts of different crazy stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
See, this is the thing that I think is so important about regional culture in America.
Like, you would need to be here from here and grow up with this to really be able to appreciate it.
And if we just create this, like, homogenous online culture where everyone just moves from one big city to the other, like, you will lose this stuff.
unidentified
No, he's absolutely right.
You know, like, Cherokee is a predominant part of West Virginia culture as well, because every one of us are like, you know, I'm sixth generation West Virginian.
If you have been here that amount of time or longer, there's a chance you have Cherokee blood in you as well, as along with, like, you know, Scottish American or Irish or something like that.
So to his point, he's spot on.
Most people in West Virginia have at least one of those three in their ancestry.
tim pool
Let's jump to the other big news of the day from scnr.com.
And for the life of me, I don't understand why no one is talking about this.
The Senate has released their summary of the National Defense Authorization Act, which would require women to register for the draft.
This is big, okay?
The House has already passed the National Defense Authorization Act.
The Senate is now putting theirs forward, which includes requiring women to register for the draft.
National Defense Authorization Act would require women to register for Selective Service.
Rep.
Roy responded to the news, writing, quote, you can go straight to hell over my dead body.
The U.S.
Senate Armed Service Committee version of the NDAA for fiscal year 2025 would automatically register women for the draft.
Heck, they don't even got to do it, they're forced to do it.
The committee approved the bill with a vote of 22 to 3.
The Strengthening the Joint Force and Defense Workforce section of the NDAA says the Military Selective Service Act would be amended to require the registration of women for selective service.
Since 1917, when the Selective Service was created, all men ages 18 to 25 I've been required to register.
However, there has not been a draft since the Vietnam War.
Must Read Alaska reports in 2017 Congress created a commission to study the matter of adding women to the draft.
The commission's final report required by the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act recommended that women be drafted.
This is a necessary and fair step, making it possible to draw on the talent of a unified nation in a time of national emergency, the 11 commissioners wrote in their final report.
The effort has failed in previous years, versions of the NDA, but this year it looks like it may pass.
Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island, a Democrat, has been one of the biggest advocates of adding women to the Selective Service.
Republicans, including Rep.
Chip Roy of Texas and Senator Mike Lee of Utah, have been pushing back forcefully.
I'm with Democrats on this one.
I am 100% with the Democrats on this one.
I don't understand why Republicans think it's okay that women get civic privileges without civic responsibilities.
And so, so long as we have a 19th Amendment, women must be drafted.
And I will add, drafting doesn't mean combat.
It doesn't mean you put the women on the front line.
They can do tons of different jobs, like janitor, or chef, PR officers.
They can do daycare.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
They can do all of these all of these jobs and not fight.
hannah claire brimelow
I think women going to combat would be a terrible idea.
And I think there, you know, potentially, yeah, in wartime, maybe you need more bodies to do sort of administrative stuff at home.
But generally, I think drafts are for boys.
And I think it's a bad idea to mix women in because they'll just end up competing for the right to be in combat.
And that's a bad idea because it risks everyone's life.
tim pool
Telling women that they have to, like, machine parts for tools does not mean the debate—like, I don't like these arguments where people say, if X, then you are guaranteed to get women in combat.
When we say women should be required to engage in some kind of civic service in the time of national emergency, whether you want to have a debate over combat is still an entirely separate conversation.
If women want the right to vote, then they are going to war.
And that means making guns in factories.
That means driving transport vehicles, transporting domestically, maybe delivering cargo.
Men can go and fight, and women can drive trucks transporting weapons and munitions to military bases domestically.
hannah claire brimelow
I'd be happy to do all of that, and I'd be happy to draft women to do it, but I don't think it should be the military, because I don't think afterwards they should be able to qualify for the GI benefits.
Like, if you went to war, if you have seen combat, I think you should be treated differently than someone that we intentionally said, you have to do it, but you get to stay in a factory.
Like, that's a totally different thing.
I'm happy to set up, like, a civic service corps for women that they have to be drafted into, but I don't think that they should be in the military, because again, the military comes with benefits.
aiden mattis
There's also a lot of just inherent danger to women beyond what is dangerous to men in the military, the kinds of things that they have to deal with as threats.
I mean, there's certain types of assault that men typically are not subject to.
There are, you know, the fact that people might go out of their way a little bit more to save a woman than a man.
There's a number of reasons that this could be risky.
I actually really like the idea of a civil service corps.
Going back to Starship Troopers, you know, everybody memes on the movie, but the book is serious.
And I think that the idea of citizenship, you know, and services is a good point.
That said, I do worry that if we have a draft for women, part of the reason we were so successful in World War II is that women were able to fill the roles that men typically had back home while the men were overfighting.
And I would worry that if we drafted them directly into the military, we wouldn't have the workforce we need.
tim pool
I'm gonna give a shout out to Josie, the Red Hood Libertarian, who said, here are the names of the sluts for war who want to conscript your daughters for World War III because they know your sons won't be enough to satisfy their bloodlust.
Wow!
Tell us how you really feel, Josie.
Nope, I'm still with Democrats on this one.
I reject the notion that there are second-class citizens in this country.
Men should not be forced to die for other people who don't have the same responsibilities.
I reject that outright.
Now, that being said, if you want to negotiate rights and privileges and how civic duty operates, then we can have that conversation.
I reject Mazie Hirono and Kirsten Gillibrand and Jeanne Shaheen, whom I'm assuming is a woman.
They have no right to vote for war if they're not subject to it.
So my position is, so long as we have a 19th Amendment and we have female politicians who can vote on when I have to die, I say, so do they.
Now, unfortunately, and let's be real, All of the members of Congress are too old to be drafted.
So even the men are voting for young men to go and die for them.
And I think that's wrong.
And I love that back in the early 1900s, there was like an attempted amendment that said, if you vote in favor of war, you volunteer for it automatically.
aiden mattis
I like that.
unidentified
That's what I want to see.
tim pool
I want to see this.
How about we say this?
Okay, no women for the draft.
Compromise.
No one for the draft.
But any politician who votes for any kind of war provision has volunteered for it.
aiden mattis
In ancient Rome, senators led armies.
Hell, in the medieval period, bishops led armies.
And these guys are sitting back in DC in a nice air-conditioned office while there's a bunch of guys my age and younger getting shot at in the Middle East, in the desert.
I like the idea of forcing them to go.
hannah claire brimelow
When was the last time Congress voted on war though?
Like that becomes, if you have that amendment, it's not that we shouldn't, I would be interested in it, but theoretically they're all just gonna be like, okay, we'll never vote for war again.
Obama, send us in, don't say anything.
tim pool
Right, and that's why I'm saying...
Right now the funny thing is you have Republicans arguing, oh this is so annoying, when the suffrage movement happened there was a massive movement against it because women did not want civic responsibility like fire brigade and military service.
And so they said, no way, dude.
And so the compromise was spineless, weak men decided to grant privileges to women and push men into a second-class citizen status where they have to fight and die for people who can vote for them to go fight and die.
I don't care if you're a man or woman.
I don't care if it's based on gender lines or any other lines.
The idea that one group of people gets to vote for the other group to go fight and die, I think is wrong.
And so whether it's the rich and the poor or men and women, I reject that.
And this is the problem we've always had, first in the country, is that the poor people are used as cannon fodder.
Rich people, if their kids got drafted, they would pay to get someone else to go do it.
I don't like that as well.
But to be fair, at least that's not like a free market thing going on.
You know, some rich dude says, you go take my son's place, I'll give you a ton of money.
And they could say no, and they just say yes, because they want the money.
So it sucks, but it's not as coercive.
You're offering someone something in exchange.
With this, and women's suffrage, they basically said, all women can now vote to go send men to die on their behalf.
Okay, now hold on.
Men used to choose to go fight wars on behalf of the women they cared about, their children, their families.
Now you've got crackpot psychopath Just sociopath individuals in Congress, and men and women alike, voting to send people to go die for what?
Ukraine?
For oil in Syria?
So what's pissing me off right now is Republicans being like, we will not allow our daughters to be drafted, but they will get all of the rights, they will get all of the privileges, and they have no responsibility.
Except taxes, I guess.
I'm like, nah.
Like, you want equality?
You get equality.
Right now, it's gonna be really weird, too, because a bunch of, like, Gen Z women are probably gonna be on the Republican side on this one.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, you see all the memes that come up where it's like, you know...
Women cry to be in draft and women and they're all it's like feminists and they're all making sandwiches or whatever like I don't think women always think through the things that they're asking for in terms of legislation.
I think that this idea that they you know they already have the option to go into the military.
They already have the option to try and be a part of civil service.
Mostly what's happening is they're saying well we want to be allowed to but we don't actually feel any obligation to contribute to these communities.
tim pool
There was a poll done a couple years ago in 2021 that found the majority of Democrats and 18 to 39 year olds were in favor of women being drafted.
aiden mattis
So this may be a hot take, but I just don't think there should be any draft at all.
Ever, unless it's like we're being attacked.
I'm sorry, but if if we need to go over there, we don't we don't we never need to go over there.
We can stay here.
That is an option.
We have the greatest air force in the world.
We also have the second greatest air force in the world.
It's in our navy.
We don't need to go anywhere.
We can stay here.
We do not need a draft.
We have an all-volunteer army.
If we have that, I don't see any reason to have a draft.
If we get attacked, if Russia or China come here, sure, but... That's why we need a draft.
tim pool
So the issue of whether we need a draft is...
Unrelated to the fact that we have corrupt government officials that would exploit a draft to go send people to die so they could, I don't know, build more weapons and secure oil so they can expand their businesses or something like that.
We should be focusing on securing our borders, bringing jobs back here, having strong community, building families instead.
You get the Democrats.
And it's really obvious why they want to draft women.
World War III is a coming, baby.
Ukraine is spiraling out of control.
Russia seems to be winning.
Now Russia's offering up a ceasefire because they've secured the Donbass.
And then you've got the, you know, the Red Sea is lighting up.
Iran is on the verge of lighting up.
China and Taiwan.
And the Democrats have plans to go to war.
Trump and the MAGA Republicans, you know, whatever, the populist right wing, don't want to go to war.
So they're like, we don't need this.
We don't.
But I will just point out, You can't have a society where you create classes of privileges and rights.
It doesn't work.
It's going to break down.
You cannot have social services and open borders.
You cannot tell people you can come here and get free stuff and the people who were born here, who have paid the taxes their whole lives and their family did, will now not have access to the housing market.
These things do not work.
There has to be balance in your responsibility and the rights and privileges you have access to.
hannah claire brimelow
I think part of it is that people look at men and women as interchangeable.
They're like a body to body, just put it in uniform and it's the same thing.
tim pool
So I would imagine that these Democrats are looking at the numbers.
I'm willing to bet that when they look at combat numbers and women, female infantry, I would bet a large sum of money that a strategist comes in and says, when you get a group of men, you will see... If we've got 30 enemy combatants in this area, you will need X amount of men with this machinery to effectively control and pacify that area.
With women, you're going to need x cubed or something.
You're going to need x times x. You will need substantially more women.
The efficiency of female units of comparable numbers will be minus 30%.
And the response from Democrats is, so we need more women then.
Right?
Sending wave after wave of your own men into combat to get the job done.
More cannon fodder gets the job done.
They don't care about the human lives behind it.
All they know is, look, 100 men get the job done or 150 women.
unidentified
Okay?
tim pool
Get more women.
That's it.
Load it up.
And they're complaining about this recruitment shortfall is the reason why they need to do it.
Hey, look, man.
I think this is the fastest way to get Gen Z voting Republican.
I don't see how Gen Z women can stand by the Democratic Party, but apparently Democrats love women in the drift.
aiden mattis
I do think if Trump hammers this, it's over for Biden, because the only people affected by this are Gen Z.
Literally nobody else is affected by a draft right now.
tim pool
Well, Gen Z women.
aiden mattis
But men too.
tim pool
But they're already screwed.
aiden mattis
Exactly, yeah.
But I think a lot of... If you came in and you were like, hey, let's just get rid of it entirely, or let's restrict it to we have to be under attack here at home, I think you'd get all the Gen Z men too.
hannah claire brimelow
Gen Z male feminists being like, but I'm fighting for your right to be drafted!
Come on, this is for you!
aiden mattis
That's going to be Harry Sisson.
All over.
Harry and Chris, they're going to be like, no, you guys don't understand.
It's going to be great.
You're going to get all sorts of college benefits and stuff.
tim pool
And they're going to die.
And they're going to be like, you're going to learn how to use guns, which we want to ban.
It's like, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You get college benefits by force.
aiden mattis
I would love to see both of those two drafted.
That would be very funny.
tim pool
Harry's 21.
Yeah.
He's, he's first in line.
I mean, he's not literally, I think they go back 18 year olds first, but he's like right up there.
And you know, look, if Trump wins right now, Harry's good.
aiden mattis
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
If Harry is successful and Biden wins, I mean, it's, what is it, 18 to 26, I think?
unidentified
25.
tim pool
Are you sure it's 25?
aiden mattis
That's what it said on the article.
tim pool
I know, I think that might be wrong.
unidentified
It's 26 now.
aiden mattis
Ah, damn it, I'm in the range.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so that means if Biden wins another term and war really does break out and the draft's coming, oh, Harry's on the front line.
And I mean it.
Now, he'll get protection, he'll get special protection, but they will absolutely force him onto the front lines.
No question.
It's gonna be like, I described Edge of Tomorrow with Tom Cruise.
He's gonna be like, but I'm just like a social media influencer guy!
And they're gonna be like, yup, and we need you to sell this.
We need young people to not flee to other countries, to not dress up like women.
Well, that doesn't work anymore.
Now they're saying, if you're a trans woman, you're still male and you're still required to be signed up for the draft.
Yeah, and it's funny, and they said if you are a female who is transgender and you are a trans man, you are still ineligible for the draft.
aiden mattis
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, Miller doesn't care.
They're just like, dude, if you're a dude, you're in.
We don't care what you think you are.
hannah claire brimelow
Is there any person born female who transitions to being male who is lobbying to be in the draft?
I would love to see that.
aiden mattis
There are probably a few of them.
tim pool
It's all Democrats that are supporting women in the draft.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, women have to support women, you know, right into the draft.
tim pool
There are a bunch of trans men who are in the military.
Like, it happens.
And the military actually offers, I'm pretty sure this was a big controversy.
hannah claire brimelow
They cover a ton of gender transition stuff.
tim pool
So, they're all about it.
I don't know, man, look.
We got this fractured, fragmented society.
I can't call it a country anymore, so I don't even know what's going on.
aiden mattis
I know if it comes to it, I'm joining the Air Force.
Like, if World War III kicks off, I'm joining the Air Force, I'm going for a PR role.
I do not want to be fighting in Europe for people who would not fight for me here.
tim pool
Air Force, dude.
Space Force.
Yeah, Space Force, because then you're going to be in one of the domestic military bases looking at computer screens.
Granted.
hannah claire brimelow
Just hang out in Colorado.
tim pool
Granted, you know, for the Air Force, you know, a lot of the drone operators, it's all remote anyway, so.
aiden mattis
It's the cushiest basic training.
It's the cushiest salaries.
I'll take it.
How old are you?
I'm 26.
tim pool
Ah, you're fine.
aiden mattis
Yeah, if it comes in the next six months, I'm screwed.
tim pool
That's right.
You better just cross your fingers Trump wins.
aiden mattis
Yeah, you're making this a hard bargain for me.
Now I'm voting for my life.
unidentified
If this passes, I'm telling you right now, the next president is going to matter even more so with Russia and Cuba again.
With everything that's been destabilized around the world with the weak leadership in this Oval Office and actually part of the Uniparty that's warmongers to begin with.
This is going to matter to women of military age at that point.
This is going to matter to women who want to get married, want to settle down, become a mother, who are now potentially going to have that ripped away from them from a unit party who wants to go to war for profit.
And this is going to be a huge red wave for Trump in November to undo this.
This is exactly what's going to happen.
That's my prediction.
If this passes, Trump wins by instead of winning, he'll win the popular vote.
Not only will he win the Electoral College, he'll win the popular vote by several million votes if this passes because Gen Z women are willing to go to college, are willing to get married, are willing to become mothers.
They're not willing to go to war.
tim pool
Oh, is it going to pass?
I do not see how this doesn't pass.
I don't know.
Mansion, maybe?
aiden mattis
Well, didn't he vote for it?
In the committee?
tim pool
What, really?
aiden mattis
I thought?
tim pool
Oh, you're right.
aiden mattis
Yeah, his name's up there.
tim pool
Way off!
He did, but one race is totally passing.
aiden mattis
You know who we might get is Federman, because that man is a loose can at this point.
hannah claire brimelow
No one can predict what he's about to do.
tim pool
No way, dude.
He's 100%.
He's gonna be like, Israel needs our support.
aiden mattis
That's true.
unidentified
Yup.
tim pool
Ladies, ladies, line up!
hannah claire brimelow
I think the other problem, though, is like, we're gonna draft basically anyone who has a potential to save our declining fertility rate, right?
Like, we're gonna be like, we could grow the population, but we could also blow them up.
So maybe that's a good idea.
Like, I don't understand what the long-term thinking on this is at all.
You can't just keep being like, but feminism!
unidentified
This is gonna force the narrative.
Are we or are we not biologically different?
This is going to force that narrative.
The feminists that have been trying to carve out women's rights for all these years are now being faced by being cancelled as women.
Whether it be sports or now being forced into the military, this is going to force the argument, are we biologically different?
Not far as rights, but far as biology.
And this is going to force that fight.
This is going to force them to answer, because he just said that they're already saying, if you're born a dude, sorry, you can't identify as a woman in the military, you're still a dude.
So, I mean, it's already forcing that narrative to come to light.
And at the end of the day, I think common sense is going to prevail, and it's going to be a red wave for Trump.
And I think we're winning our friend over over here, because I'm sorry.
aiden mattis
When you make it about whether I live or die, yeah, I get it.
tim pool
Now, hold on, hold on.
I just understand the draft doesn't stop at 26.
It's just you're first in line.
So the way it would work is they're going to go for the 18-year-olds, and it's going to be, I think how they do it is like a lottery.
They'll go by social security number and pull random numbers, and then they go up in age by requirement.
So getting to 26 would be really crazy.
I mean, if World War III happened, Okay, but here's the good news.
If you turn 27, and Biden is still president, oh, dude, line up.
27's not far off from the rest of them.
So if they go through the standard batch, and I got bad news for you, fertility rates are down, so there's not nearly as many Gen Z available as there were, say, Millennials or Boomers or Gen X. And we're hilariously out of shape.
Oh, yeah, yeah, but that doesn't matter.
They're gonna be like, dude, let me tell you, it was really amazing, the story of the The fall of the samurai in Japan, are you familiar with it?
aiden mattis
Yep.
tim pool
That's exactly why they don't care if you're in shape.
For those that aren't familiar...
There used to be societies used to have a warrior class that were extremely politically powerful.
And in Japan, you had samurai.
You're born, you are trained, you're a fighter.
It's really difficult for someone to be a master fighter until they invented reloadable cartridges or rifles that can be reloaded rapidly with the cartridge.
And so they show up, Western groups come to East Asia and say, who cares about these guys?
I can give you this.
And look, what does it do?
You can literally give it to a farmer and they can point it, click, and you win the war.
All of a sudden, samurai started losing all of their political power.
So Gen Z, they make all these jokes on TikTok.
They're like, we are so incapable of doing this.
We're out of shape.
We're lazy.
We hate America.
Oh, they don't care.
It's like the gulag for you, solitary confinement, or point this over there.
I think the main reason they don't want to use the draft though, Vietnam proved a disaster.
The stories of like young men landing on the shores and firing into the air instead of at the enemy because they didn't know what they were.
They were just soft.
They were cookie dough.
They couldn't handle it.
Some people went there and they were a little like too far and there were a lot of good dudes who knew what they were doing and wanted to be there.
That's why they need voluntary service.
There's an interesting thing about coercing someone to make the choice still puts in their mind they've made this choice, but you've got to do it in the right way.
Forcing someone to the draft and saying you have no choice makes them hate where they are, causes panic.
So what the U.S.
government likes to do is, using the Federal Reserve, controlling interest rates to spike the economy if they need to increase troop levels.
So when the economy gets bad, young people join up because they need money and they're desperate.
That's usually how they do it.
It's not working so much these days because I don't think we have a country.
I think it's completely shattered.
Government's gone rogue in every imaginable way.
The president is crapping his pants on stage, I think.
Yeah, I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I also think people don't really – like there is a lot of anti-military sentiment in the U.S.
I think there's a level of like at one point in America's history if you had been like wanting money or this opportunity like there's something honorable about being in the military whereas now people feel like this is just something you do to be the world's police first and a lot of people hate the police already.
aiden mattis
I can comment pretty directly on it.
I enlisted in the National Guard when I was 19, and I got medically separated four months later for anxiety and depression disorder.
unidentified
Wow.
aiden mattis
And then when I got off medication two years later, I had the opportunity to rejoin.
That was, I think, 2022?
And I had the Lore Lodge thing going, but it wasn't huge yet.
I could have gone back, and I looked around, and I was like, I want so badly To do what my ancestors did, to serve this country, to be there for my fellow man, but they're gonna send me to die in a desert.
Or they're gonna send me to die in a tundra, and it's gonna be far away from home, you know, my family will never know what happened, and what's the point?
Like, no, if we get invaded, I'll sign up.
I will, in a heartbeat.
tim pool
But, you know, I gotta be honest, I made that point a while ago, like, the draft makes a lot of sense when the implication was defending this country.
You would go to the young men and say, look, they're attacking us, you do this or we all die.
I get that.
I don't know if I agree right now with Defending some of these crackpot far-left places that abuse kids and have brought in non-citizens and are releasing criminals.
It's like, if New York got invaded, I'd be like, wow, that sucks.
I mean, look, if we can get a foothold in the executive branch through Trump or someone who can deal with the corruption, send in federal investigators to New York to weed out the crime bosses that are running their government, I would be Thrilled.
I'd be happy.
I do not think national divorce is a good thing.
I do not think that peaceful national divorce is possible.
So we must avoid that in every way imaginable and resist.
And there are tons of people advocating for it, and I'm like, that ends in civil war.
aiden mattis
So I'm curious what you guys think about this, because this is an idea I've been puttering around with for like 10 years.
Instead of a national divorce, we were taught about federalism as layer cake federalism, that there are layers of government.
You have your local, you have your state, you have your federal.
What I was wondering is, you know, what do you guys think about the idea of adding another layer?
Taking regions that are culturally similar to one another, like the Appalachians, go from Pennsylvania on down to maybe Tennessee, and then you could also do Cascadia, you could do the Rockies states, and these groups of people who are culturally rather similar would be able to have the laws that make sense for their cultural groups, and then the federal government would just be responsible for, like, the interstate, war, and diplomacy.
tim pool
More government than, right?
Yeah, the problem is... A diffuse government.
But the problem is people in Oregon are at odds with themselves.
aiden mattis
Yeah, let them switch.
To Idaho.
tim pool
Well, yeah, I agree.
aiden mattis
Let the states redraw their lines.
It's not like we're a country... We're not a bunch of different countries.
We're one country.
We can make it work.
tim pool
I think the political divisions have reached critical mass.
I don't see a reality where you can go to someone who's clearly, like... Look, man.
We have probably 70 videos of Biden.
His brain is broken.
The things he has said and escalated throughout the year is getting worse and worse and worse.
And there are people who will pretend like it's not happening.
You can't work in a factory together, let alone vote functionally.
You've got someone who's going to be staring at a wall collapse or a fire raging.
You're in a warehouse, big ol' fire burst, and you say, I gotta get the fire, help me get the fire extinguisher!
It's, it's, I need your help!
And they're gonna go, there's no fire.
And you're gonna be like, dude, there's a massive fire, can we put it out right now?
No there isn't.
I will never agree with you no matter what.
And then you're like, okay.
I'm leaving.
I need to get out of this building.
Cause they will not help me.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I think divisions are, are really serious, and I like your idea of regional alliance ship on some level.
I think regional management and culturally more homogenous coalitions would be good.
I just think that at this point, rather than adding a layer of government, why don't we see that within our elected leaders that we have already?
What kind of partnerships do you see between regions right now?
Because potentially they could sort of make this happen on their own.
You could have coalitions in the House.
You could have governors who have a specific regional conference they attend.
They could do this.
They just opt not to right now.
aiden mattis
The idea in my mind is that it would hopefully defeat the two-party system.
That you would get to a point where because Republicans in, you know, let's say the Republic of Appalachia, because those Republicans aren't gonna have the same priorities as Republicans in the Midwest.
It's not- the Republican party is gonna have a much more difficult time.
Because you've made everything a lot more personal, a lot more local.
For example, you know, you guys have coal, right?
A lot of coal.
We have a lot of coal.
We have a lot of oil, a lot of shale.
We also have railroads.
tim pool
Who is we?
aiden mattis
Pennsylvania.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
aiden mattis
Sorry, I should have said that.
You're- in West Virginia, you guys have a whole bunch of industries that work for you.
Same thing goes down the entire country.
Every state tends to have something that, you know, works for them.
A lot of the Appalachian states, it's the energy industry.
It's oil, it's coal, it's shale.
Those are the things that matter to us, but Pennsylvania can't make any movement on fracking, on transitioning to fourth-generation nuclear, on fixing our rail system, which is the most robust in the country, if we could just modernize it.
We can't do any of that because the government's like, sorry, people in California decided you can't frack.
tim pool
Right, I agree.
This is the problem with globalization.
The idea that a singular entity can rule over every region uniformly doesn't make sense.
California gets a disproportionate amount of votes because of illegal immigrants in the first place, but then they get extra congressional seats.
They've lost one in this past census.
Then they say, the people of California don't like nuclear energy, so Nebraska can't have it.
And it's like, why is New York, Illinois, and California, and Oregon, I guess, and Washington voting that large, sparsely populated states can't have a nuclear reactor?
I mean, I'm not saying they literally can't, I'm just saying that's the general idea.
If you're in Wyoming, the population there is, what, like 500-something thousand?
They barely have a congressional seat as it is.
You've got tons of empty space where you can do a bunch of awesome stuff, but they ban these things.
And, right, like fracking and stuff, they pass these laws controlling all of it, but they don't even live in these places.
It should be left to the states, but the federal government keeps... This is the problem with large federal government.
aiden mattis
And with fracking specifically, like, that's such a local problem.
Like, if a community says, alright, we're gonna take the risk, we're gonna try and make sure we have all the safety in place, and we wanna frack here, there is no reason that people in Shale Country PA need to listen to what people in Los Angeles think about that.
The people in Los Angeles will never be affected by somebody fracking in Carbon County, Pennsylvania.
It will never happen.
So why do they care?
tim pool
I think, you know, I was thinking about it.
Pennsylvania, you guys got cheesesteak.
Do they got cheesesteak in western PA?
aiden mattis
Uh, yeah, the sandwiches change a little bit.
Primanti's is kind of the, they got a different format over there.
tim pool
West Virginia has deep fried dandelions.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
tim pool
That's true.
unidentified
Yeah, I've tried it.
It's pretty good.
tim pool
Is it good?
I know it exists.
It's like an old Appalachian recipe.
I've never seen it.
How common is it?
unidentified
You won't see it in any of the retail restaurants like at Permanee's, but some of your mom-and-pops, you can get in some of the smaller towns.
It's actually quite common.
It's pretty good.
aiden mattis
Yeah, so, uh... Just like dough on a dandelion?
Dandelion fried?
tim pool
Yep.
I heard it tastes like fried mushrooms.
unidentified
It does?
tim pool
Yeah, look at that.
So dandelions are actually brought here by the European colonists as food and medicine.
aiden mattis
Really?
tim pool
Yep.
It grows crazy fast, and you can eat them.
And they're all over the place.
Tradition remains up in Appalachia.
So, you know, you got different conventions and customs.
See, you're from PA, you had no idea.
And of course, Chris over here has never heard of a cheesesteak.
unidentified
Of course I have.
aiden mattis
Oh boy.
I was down in San Antonio last week for Unsubscribe Podcast, and they had some cheesesteaks on the menu, and I was like, I'm not going anywhere near this.
hannah claire brimelow
That's how I feel about pizza outside of the Northeast.
aiden mattis
Yeah, I don't any outside of 50 miles of Pennsylvania unless it's like the person running it grew up in South Philly.
No.
tim pool
I can respect that people in New York and the Northeast think their pizza is better.
aiden mattis
Now don't do this to me, Tim.
unidentified
Don't do this.
aiden mattis
Don't do this, Tim.
unidentified
What?
hannah claire brimelow
But Chicago!
tim pool
Yes, being from Chicago, we have, and I'm respecting New York over here and you guys can't handle it, I would just call Chicago pizza different.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, it is different.
tim pool
However, deep dish pizza is not real Chicago pizza, that's a lie, and you guys have not ever had real Chicago style pizza, which is a firmer, medium, it's not a thin crust, it's thicker, it's not floppy.
It's square cut.
I think people call it like, what is it called?
Like the four states?
aiden mattis
It's called Sicilian over here.
tim pool
That's not Sicilian.
No, we're not talking about Sicilian.
hannah claire brimelow
Is it more like what they do in St.
unidentified
Louis?
tim pool
Sicilian is a thick bread.
hannah claire brimelow
Is it more like what they do in St.
unidentified
Louis?
I don't know.
St.
hannah claire brimelow
Louis has a specific style of pizza.
tim pool
Traditional Chicago pizza is flat, the dough doesn't rise on the ends, the crust on the edge is crunchy, and it's cut into squares.
And so it's very different from New York.
But I will tell you this, I had pizza in Michigan and it was like someone put a bathroom garbage on my plate and I was offended.
It was like a piece of toast with ragu on it.
Don't you dare.
hannah claire brimelow
Some places pizzas are different.
I mean, this is I've talked about this before, but the Domino's and Pizza Hut spread throughout the middle part of America because the immigrants weren't there making traditional pizza.
I can't I can imagine that in, you know, Michigan, they do a lot of other nice stuff, but this is not one of their elements.
It reminds me, though, like the stereotyping of deep dish pizza as the only type of pizza of the pepperoni roll in West Virginia, because you're like, what is the food of West Virginia?
You see that everywhere.
But there's actually a ton of stuff.
aiden mattis
It's just that sort of what the like, don't knock the pepperoni roll.
tim pool
Adrienne Curry.
hannah claire brimelow
It's great, but it's not the only thing.
tim pool
Adrienne Curry knows exactly what we're talking about.
Chicago Thin Crust Tavern Style Pizza is great too.
aiden mattis
I'll give it a shot.
I'll give it a shot for you.
tim pool
And I gotta tell you, for anybody who's never been, if you go there, you gotta find a place that will do a pizza with giardiniera on it.
Giardiniera, that's the word.
It was so weird for me when I went to New York for the first time, and I tried ordering a roast beef sandwich with giardiniera, and the guy said, with what?
And I said, can I get a roast beef sub with giardiniera?
And he goes, he's like, we do heroes.
And I'm like, I don't know what that means.
It's a, it's a long sandwich.
And I'm like, oh, okay, well give me giardiniera, roast beef and cheddar.
And he's like, I don't know what that word is.
unidentified
Oh man.
aiden mattis
I feel like I've heard the word, but I don't know what it is.
tim pool
It is like carrots, jalapenos, cauliflower in oil.
aiden mattis
Oh, okay.
I've had it.
I just didn't know it's what it was called.
tim pool
If you go to Potbelly's, they call it hot peppers because nobody knows what it is.
How about we go back to talking about the news?
Here's a story from the post-millennial.
A Canadian study worries about under-anticipated U.S.
civil war, ignores growing resentment at home.
The potential for civil war is mentioned in the list of eight under-anticipated disruptions that decision-makers may need to consider more thoroughly than the survey results indicate.
Ladies and gentlemen, foreign countries—okay, fine, it's Canada, so, you know, take it for what it is—are concerned about a U.S.
civil war.
If you dig deep into the subterranean internet files of the Canadian government, you might find a link to Policy Horizons Canada, a group that you might surmise is attached to Global Affairs Canada, but no, it is affiliated with the Federal Public Service.
I'm going to wag my finger at David in the Postmillennial for writing a narrative story.
Just tell me the news.
The posting of a recent study titled Disruptions on the Horizon might have been missed by the public had an article not been posted to Politico declaring Canada's big worry a U.S.
civil war.
Considering you guys are writing me a story, I'm actually going to go to Politico instead.
Canada's big worry, a U.S.
civil war.
This is from just a few days ago.
They say, and they also write a narrative, in a spring report titled Disruptions on the Horizon, a
quiet office known as Policy Horizons Canada proposed American Civil War as a scenario that
Ottawa should consider preparing for.
This hypothetical was tucked into the middle of a 37-page document,
which sketched the possibility in 15 spare words.
U.S. ideological divisions, democratic erosion, and domestic unrest escalate,
plunging the country into civil war.
You know, Canada.
They must watch the show.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I was gonna say, if they're saying it's under-prepared for it, I don't know if we've got our viewership in Canada going.
I think that this is ridiculous.
tim pool
No, I'm saying whoever wrote this must watch it.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure, but Post Millennial is saying it's under-anticipated.
I don't think it's true here on Timcast.
tim pool
You know, so I just want to point this out.
Considering everyone says that I'm the guy who's always talking about civil war, that means anyone else who ever talks about it is a fan of the show.
aiden mattis
That's a fair point.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
That's the only explanation.
So, considering Canada has this concern, they're going to say, how seriously should people take this on the other side of the 49th parallel?
Policy Horizon's report surveyed hundreds of experts and government officials about disruptive events that Canada might do well to prepare for.
Then the authors classed those scenarios based on the likelihood they will occur.
American Civil War ranked as an improbable but ultra-high impact event.
Other scenarios in that general category included the proliferation of homemade biological weapons, the rise of antibiotic-resistant pathogens leading to mass death and food shortages, and the outbreak of World War III.
You know, I suppose when you add them all together, it's looking like you got a really good probability of bad thing happening.
So take your pick, and I hope you all are prepared.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's weird that progressive governments and progressive political parties have to fearmonger their voters into supporting them.
I think that's what I see over and over again.
I was thinking about that with some of the speeches I was listening to from Biden or, you know, on the campaign trail.
And it's always just, you have to vote for us because everything's about to fall apart and we are the only ones who can fix it.
And it's critical.
In fact, it's so critical it might even be too late.
So you got to act now.
Like, it's like the craziest sales pitch of all time that is completely dependent on fear and compliance.
unidentified
Because they can only run on fear and compliance because they don't have any success stories to build upon.
I mean, you know, to your point, Joe Biden, what could he run on in re-election other than, you know, Trump's a threat to democracy.
Vote for me to stop him.
I mean, that's all they got.
He's accomplished nothing.
You know, hyperinflation, destabilization of the world, entering World War III with, you know, Russia and Cuba with their naval fleet now.
There's nothing he can tout that he did other than destabilize the world and cause inflation and, you know, cause a lot of people to leave the workforce because they couldn't even afford to live anymore.
And you know, they paid him to stay home, they paid him not to work, and then they can't afford to go back to work anymore.
It's just sad to see all this going on.
And he can't do anything but say, vote for me because the other guy's the boogeyman.
That's all they have.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, rather it be Trudeau, rather it be Biden, it's all the radical left has.
Vote for me to stop the boogeyman.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
It makes you wonder, when Trump is no longer eligible to run for office, if he serves a term and runs out of terms, what will they talk about?
tim pool
Where's the off-ramp?
That's what, you know, Phil often says, Phil LaBonte, he says, where's the off-ramp?
hannah claire brimelow
Of all that remains?
tim pool
Of all that remains.
Where's the off-ramp?
With the ideological divisions happening in this country, with this election bubbling up, they're trying to put Trump in prison.
Trump may very well end up in prison in only a matter of weeks.
Where's the offering?
How does this country not devolve into, at the very least, starting off with collapse of the federal government?
aiden mattis
I mean, if it did collapse, we could just go back to state governments, I guess.
tim pool
I see that.
If something were to happen, I would imagine that the likeliest scenario, come November, dispute over the election.
Both sides claiming they won.
Happened in 2020.
Both sides claim they won, and neither side will be willing to accept at any degree.
I don't think people understand how wild 2020 was.
I think the average person just ignored it.
They watched the news, and they heard Trump claiming he won, and they said, I don't know what's going on.
Biden won.
But what they didn't see was, say, like, Texas v. Pennsylvania.
I believe it was 48 states involved in a lawsuit to the Supreme Court over unconstitutional actions taken by Pennsylvania and several other states that went for Joe Biden.
Notably, that they changed their election rules outside of the legislative body, which violates the Constitution as to how elections are held.
The Supreme Court refused to acknowledge it.
And what did we get?
unidentified
Well, I don't know.
tim pool
Trump supporters on January 6th, I don't think it was the apocalypse.
It was a riot.
These people didn't actually plan for anything beyond walking in a building, and I don't think they even planned... I don't think they planned for walking in a building at all.
aiden mattis
Seems like most of them didn't.
tim pool
Yeah, they walked in a building and walked out.
Nothing happened.
Politicians got scared.
It was bad.
There was a lot of damage.
I don't like any of it.
I don't see, this time around, a de-escalation.
If something were to happen, The federal government already, we know, that this guy from the DOJ goes and joins the local DA's office in New York and prosecutes Trump and is now trying to put him in prison.
I don't think people are going to tolerate this.
If we get a fracturing of confidence in the federal government to a certain degree where, let's say Texas files a lawsuit again this time, which seems very likely, the Supreme Court refuses to hear it, so then Texas says, we will not do this a second time.
These are clear violations of the U.S.
Constitution, and if the Constitution is not being upheld by the Supreme Court, then it is void.
I don't know how—if they get to that point immediately, I think it could take months where they're petitioning and petitioning and petitioning and saying, how many times do we have to demand that the rules are actually upheld, that we agreed upon?
And if you will not agree to these rules, you are telling me that you avoid the Constitution.
So if Texas then says, we are not going to cooperate with the federal authorities because they have not cooperated with us, they have broken the mutual pact, A lot of people are going, oh, national divorce, oh, it sounds good.
And then what happens when resource battles begin?
Then what happens when one state needs access to another state's, or there's a shared body of water or river?
Then you start getting disruptions.
If that happens, any kind of national divorce scenario results in a civil war in the long run.
Not immediately, but in the long run.
I don't see a reasonable probability that, let's say Donald Trump wins.
And Democrats just go, well, shucks.
You got us, Trump.
It was a good run.
We tried our hardest, but we hereby accept the results.
Never gonna happen.
They didn't do that in 2016.
They ain't gonna do it now.
The inverse is true.
Joe Biden wins.
Ain't gonna see Trump supporters saying, you win.
So I don't know exactly what happens, but I don't think that Canada is wrong.
And I do think when they say it's an improbable event, it's because Too many people are scared to suggest things that seem dramatic.
But I don't see an off-ramp.
aiden mattis
Well, I mean, you're completely right looking at the series of events and suggesting that it's not going to happen immediately, because that's what happened with the revolution, that's what happened with the Civil War.
I do have to say, whatever the next president is, or the one after that, if the Civil War happens in the next eight years, I'm going to be so mad that a Pennsylvanian president was responsible for both of them.
I look back at the American Revolution and the Civil War and what led to them and it wasn't Bunker Hill, it wasn't Lexington and Concord, it wasn't Fort Sumter, it was a decade of the people of America, of the colonies saying, hey guys, can we like Rule ourselves?
Is that an option?
Can we do that?
We have all these problems.
You guys are levying taxes on us.
We didn't ask you to come fight the French here.
That wasn't our idea.
And now you're demanding we pay for your war.
What's going on?
And also, you promised us land west of the Appalachians.
What happened to that?
And so, Americans went...
I'm done.
If you're not going to listen, I'm done.
tim pool
That's actually slightly incorrect.
What happened was a year of the regulars massacring, killing Americans.
Well, that too.
Then they said, okay, well, they've been killing us for a year.
I think we should probably tell them to screw off.
Very important point I bring up 50 billion times for everybody who's ever watched this show.
You've heard it already.
The Declaration of Independence was signed one year and one month after the war already started.
The Founding Fathers weren't stacking bodies because they were mad.
They were resisting every step of the way.
making turning this into an independent like actually signing a declaration of
independence. It was only after the crown was steadfast in sending troops to kill
Americans and the Americans were writing letters that finally the founding
fathers got together and said guys we this is not gonna end we have no choice.
aiden mattis
They had blockaded Boston, New York didn't sign the Declaration of
Independence because it was so controlled by the British.
tim pool
Yep the funny thing too is depending on what you read there's interesting
stories about how some of the founding fathers it was contested they even had
the right to represent the states that they had come from and voted for
independence or signing the Declaration of Independence.
People were like, you don't speak for us.
There were a lot of Loyalists.
There was a Declaration of Dependence.
People don't know this.
No joke.
A group of Loyalists wrote a letter saying like, dude, legit, we do not want to do this.
We like the crown.
Where we are now, It's, yeah, I mean what, ten years?
We've, coming off of 2008, with the financial crisis, and the outrage over the big banks, the Federal Reserve, this corrupt, broken system, the mass printing of money, and foreign war without declaration.
The 2000s were bad.
We're going on two decades of mass general grievance that has gone unanswered.
Occupy Wall Street was protesting because of Obama.
No answer.
Well, maybe there was, Donald Trump.
Occupy Wall Street, end of 2011, into 2012.
Obama's president, and he ends up winning.
People were still upset.
Things did not change.
The protests continued.
Wars expanded.
And then you get a Donald Trump with 9 million Obama voters switching to the Republican Party.
They destroyed Donald Trump.
They cemented his feet and threw him in the ocean.
They weighed him down so he could not do his job.
They accused him of being a traitor to this country.
They said he was a Russian spy.
All of it fabricated.
Then in 2020, Biden wins.
However you want to describe how he won, I'm saying he won.
He's in the White House.
Call it whatever you want.
You can say Trump convinced more people, you can say whatever you want, but Biden ended up in the White House.
People have tolerated it so far.
I am very concerned and I agree with the Canadians here.
And I think the mistake they make too.
They always do this.
More than a literal concern about an 1861-style war between the states.
Who said anything about a war between states?
That doesn't make any sense.
What likely is going to happen is the federal government collapses.
It'll exist, they'll assert authority, and nobody will listen.
Texas doesn't need to go to war with, I don't know, California or Oregon.
They're gonna say, I don't care about you.
Local, regional areas might get into conflicts, though.
aiden mattis
I think you'd see rural versus city more than state versus state, if anything.
tim pool
I agree, but I do think the cities would be occupied in two seconds.
aiden mattis
Oh yeah, definitely.
tim pool
No question.
The cities would probably fall apart, actually.
The first thing that would likely happen is rural areas would cease major deliveries to strong urban areas.
Like, New York is screwed.
aiden mattis
It would take nothing.
It would just be a few blockades of the interstate by rural populations, and New York would starve.
tim pool
And it's not even a wartime blockade.
It would be like...
When you got a small town, everybody's seen a speed trap, right?
That state highway that goes through a small town where the speed limit goes from 55 to 20, like that, and it's because there's a small town there.
They call them speed traps, sometimes they are, but the small town says, we've got houses along this road because it was built as a supply, like people, it's like an outpost almost, don't speed through our town, you're gonna hit our kids.
Those towns, put up a checkpoint.
aiden mattis
A single county sheriff could slow down deliveries to New York City.
tim pool
A single county sheriff Puts up a checkpoint in his county in a small town.
Trucks come by and he says, we are no longer getting support for these roads.
If you want to drive through here, it's a fee of $50 for every truck because we gotta pay this.
And it's very difficult to source the materials to fix this when we're seeing trade break down.
And the truckers say, there's no way I'm doing that.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, do you remember how effective the Canadian trucker blockade was?
And one of the effects was, like, we are not getting our deliveries on time, right?
So if a small town trucker was like, I'm not doing this, and a point of entry to a city was like, we are also not participating, or we're blocking this off, like, it all falls apart.
It's a fragile, codependent system that gets, you know, food, supplies, whatever, to especially major cities, but from regions across the country to these major cities.
aiden mattis
The urban populations tend to forget that they rely on the rural population for raw materials, and the rural population relies on them for finished goods.
The rural population doesn't need them for finished goods.
The urban population needs them for raw materials.
tim pool
Let's jump to this segment, which is somewhat related.
This is a CNN segment.
Kyle Becker tweets, CNN gets absolutely owned trying to school Trump supporters that America is a democracy and not a republic.
This is really interesting.
It's a bit long, so we'll only play a little bit of it.
omar jimenez
President Biden touts his re-election campaign as a fight to preserve democracy.
But if you ask some Trump supporters, the former president is not a threat to democracy because the United States is not a democracy.
tim pool
I'm just going to pause real quick and say, everybody knows this, but we are not a democracy.
We are a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives.
What that means is you send someone you think will do a good job to do the job because you're not an expert.
Democracy is when everybody votes on a thing, and then if they get the majority, it happens.
omar jimenez
CNN's Donny O'Sullivan spoke to some of those supporters.
unidentified
What happens if Trump loses?
I don't see him losing.
I don't think he lost the last election, to be honest.
Do you think he's going to win?
Yes.
Without a doubt.
No doubt.
What if he doesn't this time?
What happens to the country?
We're in trouble.
We're in big trouble.
We're done.
If Biden talks about democracy, you know, saving democracy, they're the ones that are killing democracy.
Obviously, there's a lot of criticisms of Trump that he is bad for democracy, that he's bad for American democracy.
Can I say something?
We are a republic.
We're a republic.
We are not a democracy.
We're a representative republic.
We're not a democracy.
One thing we've been hearing at Trump rallies like this over the past few months is that America isn't really a democracy.
tim pool
America isn't really a democracy.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
They're not saying it's not really a democracy.
They're saying it's quite literally not a democracy.
unidentified
It's not a democracy as a republic.
It's not a democracy.
Okay, democracy is actually not as good as you think it is.
But for centuries, America has celebrated its democracy.
Democracy is worth dying for.
Democracy remains the definition of political legitimacy.
But some Republicans and pro-Trump media are pushing the idea that America is not a democracy.
tim pool
The United States of America is not a democracy.
We are a constitutional republic.
unidentified
The United States of America is not a democracy.
You don't want to be in a democracy.
omar jimenez
We are not a democracy.
tim pool
He didn't read the full quote there, but a democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding on what's for lunch.
A republic is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
omar jimenez
We are a republic.
unidentified
Is America a democracy?
America is a democracy.
It was founded as a democracy.
I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories.
I hear a lot of things out on the road.
aiden mattis
Does he come from the democracy of Ireland?
tim pool
And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, and if we want to go back to the roots of the country, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
We add the undergod later.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
unidentified
But to hear Americans, people who would describe themselves as patriots, say that America is not a democracy, that stopped me in my tracks.
You are hearing people say America is not a democracy because there are people around Trump who want them to be saying that, who've been planting that narrative.
Is America a democracy?
hannah claire brimelow
My APU is history, teacher.
unidentified
I think we're a republic.
What's the difference?
I feel like democracy... Oh boy.
It's government control.
I don't see freedom in democracy.
I see freedom... You don't need to do this, CNN.
tim pool
There are much, much more well-informed people and finding some random Trump supporters.
I get it.
But you know what?
A lot of people do this.
They go to Times Square.
They go to Democrat rallies.
Yes.
A republic is like...
You have a collection of jurisdictions that have formed a cooperative government with each other.
In this instance, you have states which have formed a federal government which is to serve them, and that is the Republic of the United States of America.
A democracy would be a single body where the people vote on things, and there can be different structures of that democracy.
That's true.
But there's direct democracy, and democracy typically involves the will of the masses.
And we do have referendums in some states, but the United States is a republic, and that's why states each get two senators to represent the state.
aiden mattis
You know what's kind of funny about it, too, is, like, the Athenians tried democracy, and then the Romans looked at the Athenians and went, absolutely not.
Not doing that.
Doing something completely different.
We're gonna take the simple part of that, and then we're gonna make it way more complicated and better.
It took, like, one generation for people to realize democracy's not a good idea at the international scale.
tim pool
I say we repeal the 17th Amendment and eliminate popular vote for federal senators, because the original idea was your local representatives would choose who your senators are going to be that go to the federal government.
And the idea was better men would be chosen.
The state will be represented by people who were chosen for the job.
And the argument was, I believe this was like the beginning of the 1900s, end of the 1800s, too many people were getting their buddies in and it was corrupt, so we should turn it into a popular vote of the state.
The states will vote for who they think should represent their state.
That's pointless.
That's what Congress does.
Congress represents the will of the people.
The state's interests are the state's interests.
And this severed the average voter from their local representatives.
And now, people seem to think that your federal congressman's gonna clean up your state.
Not gonna happen.
They might, however, get federal funding for you.
Let's play a little bit more.
unidentified
Honestly, the word democracy and the word republic have often been used interchangeably.
There isn't a meaningful difference between them.
So much of the warnings and criticism about Trump is that he is a threat to democracy, that he is anti-democratic.
Absolutely.
If they can convince people that we don't have a democracy, then it's okay that Trump is attacking democracy because it doesn't really matter.
So why has democracy become a bad word?
Because it's being used in a way to change the flavor of our country, which is a republic.
These words were used in different ways in the 18th century, and it's true, the found... Oh, man.
Words don't mean anything, and I make them up as I go along!
aiden mattis
They were used interchangeably in the 18th century, that's why Benjamin Franklin went out of his way to make a point about the difference.
Right, okay, great, yeah, wonderful.
tim pool
I'd like to give a...
Really simple explanation of the difference between a democracy and a republic.
A republic is Rhode Island has like a city and they get two senators.
California has very many and they have two senators because they are equally represented as state bodies in a republic system.
Now a democracy would strip those senators away and you would vote purely by population.
What happens in places like this, California is a great example, I love bringing this up, When I went to meet the farmers during the drought, they were not allowed to use the surface water for their crops because of democracy.
Because the way the vote worked on surface water was, the millions of people who live in cities say, we vote to get the water.
And the people who live in the farmland in the rural area said, we vote to keep the water.
And they went, unfortunately for you, you're 10% of the population.
We are 90.
Majority rules.
Welcome democracy.
So they took the water away from the farmers.
In a republic, California cannot outvote Rhode Island's interests.
They have to go to the federal government and compromise, and it is rather difficult.
They have to negotiate with other states.
If we went full democracy, California, New York, and Illinois would form a compact and say, let's just cut deals with each other and we own the country.
And then it doesn't matter where you live.
If you're outside of those places, you don't have the population.
And it would be basically major urban centers, and they would be in total control of everything everyone else does.
We still have an element of that.
Because you still have Congress.
But these people, I absolutely love how evil CNN is.
Because I know for a fact, the people who put this together, they know, they've done a Google search.
They Google searches, they know what they're saying is a lie.
They know they brought on someone to do an interview who is lying.
Because they think people are stupid.
They think the people who watch CNN are stupid.
And unfortunately, I have to agree, people who watch CNN are stupid.
unidentified
No, I agree.
And you know, for them to say, oh, this is just a narrative that Trump has planted with people around his rallies.
Well, it must be amazing that Trump has a time machine.
And he went back and got in Ben Franklin's ear when a lady asked him when he was coming out of a meeting that what kind of government we have.
And he said, a republic, if you can keep it.
So it's just amazing that Trump must have went back in time and changed Ben Franklin's mind as well.
hannah claire brimelow
He is a time traveler.
tim pool
If this country was founded as a democracy, first of all, that's impossible.
If New York went to Georgia and said, this will be a democracy, we will vote by popular vote, they'd be like, what?
You'll take our stuff from us?
Absolutely not.
Not gonna happen.
In fact, so the first attempt at government was the Confederacy, the Confederate States of America, and then, or the Articles on Confederation, I should say, not the Confederacy.
aiden mattis
People knew what you were saying.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It was the Articles of Confederation.
And it didn't work.
It was too weak.
And so they said, we want to create a stronger federal government.
And then I believe it was the anti-federalists wanted the Bill of Rights.
They said, we want you to write down a guarantee you will not do these things to us.
So the Constitution instantly got the Bill of Rights, of which I believe originally there were 17.
aiden mattis
And they narrowed it down because they were like, we don't need seven of these.
They're just obvious within the document.
And then 200 years later, The people did not agree with that.
tim pool
Well, they combined many of them and changed the language on some of them.
They screwed up the Second Amendment, miserably.
And the original first article was congressional, I believe it was congressional pay.
The first and second were congressional pay and apportionment.
aiden mattis
Well, one of my favorite things about the Second Amendment is that everybody's like, oh, well, no, it means, you know, militia and the, you know, it's all very, you're not understanding.
It's not the unlimited right to bear arms.
Alexander Hamilton ...didn't even think they needed it, because he thought it was so obvious, so clear, in the articles describing what Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court are allowed to do, that they had no power to regulate firearms.
So Hamilton was like, I don't think we need this.
I do not think this needs to go in there.
And they ended up putting it in.
Because they were like, eh, well...
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think he deserves the musical now, or?
aiden mattis
See, here's the thing.
Got Second Amendment, right?
He was very pro-gun, but at the same time, also pro-central banking.
hannah claire brimelow
Nobody's perfect, that's what I've learned from this conversation.
tim pool
The original Second Amendment actually went on to say that, and the gist of it was, You can have a gun even outside of the military.
But the issue was, they were concerned that it would actually stop conscription.
So it said something like, even if someone is an objector to war, they still have a right to keep and bear arms.
The concern was, if we say, the militia being required for a free state, the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, the implication is, everyone can have guns because they're going to be conscripted to militia or military.
And they were like, well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Then we'll add, even if you object to conscription, you can still have a gun too.
And then they went, ooh, but that might be used to make it so we can't conscript people in time of war.
Take that out.
We're good.
And most people don't realize this, but if you look at the map of gun rights, we had
a long period of no gun rights.
If you look at whether states issued permits, I mean, it wasn't until DC versus Heller where they said, you can actually have a gun outside your house.
So there were a lot of states that were May issue states, you'd apply for a gun, they'd say, no, you can't have one.
And then one by one over the past, you know, 10 years, 20 years, we have seen states go constitutional carry.
So now you have all these states where it's like, you can buy a gun.
And thanks to Hunter Biden.
And the DOJ.
We may actually see the abolition of federal background checks.
I am thrilled with this.
This is fantastic.
aiden mattis
It's gonna be so funny if that happens.
tim pool
You'll be a hero to the gun rights people.
They will paint pictures of him.
unidentified
Isn't that funny that he is potentially going to be the face of the Second Amendment movement?
hannah claire brimelow
Like, he doesn't even want to be there.
It's so fascinating.
Or maybe he does.
I guess he's a gun enthusiast.
tim pool
Hunter Biden lied on a federal background check form that he was not a drug addict when he bought a gun and that's what they got him on.
And that violates the Constitution.
Because the Constitution doesn't say that you have a right to keep and bear arms unless you do drugs.
You can have your rights curtailed through due process if they prove you're a drug addict and have convicted you of it.
And also, you have the right to not self-incriminate.
So the government forcing you to incriminate yourself for crimes if you want to get a gun is unconstitutional.
They are appealing Hunter's case.
I hope every single gun rights organization files an amicus brief in support of Hunter Biden and says the Form 4473 is unconstitutional and must be abolished.
aiden mattis
I have some buddies at the GOA who I can talk to on Discord on the ride home.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And then it may turn out that Hunter Biden has his criminal conviction overturned.
He's free to go, and he should be.
And then no longer, when you want to buy a gun, do you have to fill out a federal form?
hannah claire brimelow
We'll call it the Hunter Biden law.
tim pool
We'll call it Hunter's precedent.
unidentified
Isn't it amazing that someone like Hunter Biden, Joe Biden's son, may actually be the very thing that turns the ATF from a government agency to a convenience store?
hannah claire brimelow
I always wondered when they were presenting his defense in that case, Lowell, his attorney, was like, well, he did not think of himself as an addict at the time.
So, therefore he wasn't.
aiden mattis
Didn't identify as an addict.
hannah claire brimelow
And I just wonder how many Americans have tried that defense and been told, shut up.
Like, go away.
You're the problem.
Like, why would it work for Hunter Biden?
unidentified
Except for, I guess, he's special?
aiden mattis
It's the most proof positive thing I've ever seen of a two-tier justice system.
Like, the man is on camera committing at least three different felonies.
And they're like, ah, we can't, we can't get him.
tim pool
Michael Cohen admitted to grand larceny on the stand.
And they were like, eh, we don't care.
Who cares?
We don't want Trump.
I don't consider it a two-tiered justice system.
Like, is it two-tiered justice when Russia, say, like, captures an American and puts him in jail?
Would we call that two-tiered justice?
aiden mattis
I don't think so.
tim pool
So like Ukraine and Russia are fighting each other when Ukraine captures a Russian and
then like they see a Russian guy so they're like quick get him and they grab him they
tie him up then they see a Ukrainian guy and they go how's it going?
We don't call that two-tier justice.
Democrats intending to put Trump, his staffers, the people who've worked with him in prison,
it's quite literally just a political faction kidnapping their political opponents in plain
view of the public without real laws.
I mean, Steve Bannon going to prison, what did he do?
Contempt of Congress.
What was the issue?
Trump said, executive privilege, don't hand over the documents.
And Bannon was like, okay, well, the president's having executive privilege on executive documents.
I can't hand them over.
Then at the last minute, Trump said, no, you know what?
Go ahead.
And then Bannon went, okay, we're good now.
They went, we don't care.
You're too late.
You're going to prison.
And they convicted him.
So it's not, it's not a legitimate, man, this fly is really killing me.
It's not, it's not a legitimate use of law enforcement action.
The things that they've done to Trump are not legitimate.
So if, if, if someone is at war and conflict and they're weaponizing whatever, like they're getting cops to do this, it's not two tier justice at all.
It's just police officers attempting to kidnap Donald Trump and convince you it's okay.
They did.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
I mean, as you guys, as I said earlier, I have never intended to vote for Trump, but this is that watching this happen has been like the most terrifying thing of my adult life.
The fact that they have just gone whole hog doesn't matter.
You know, Hunter Biden is getting off scot-free.
Meanwhile, Trump is going to prison for what I believe were actually misdemeanors that were upgraded to felonies.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes.
tim pool
He may go to prison.
We don't know what's going to happen, but I certainly think they'll try.
hannah claire brimelow
You said you were going to, you're still considering casting a protest vote.
aiden mattis
I would have gone Constitution Party at this point.
That's how far we are.
hannah claire brimelow
So, what's the big block to voting for Trump?
aiden mattis
If you know things are bad, you'd rather... I'll be honest, some of the biggest ones are guns.
I don't like his gun positions, but again... Trump's.
Yeah, like, uh, banning bump stocks I didn't like, the take the guns and try them later I didn't like, what?
tim pool
That quote's not true.
aiden mattis
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
aiden mattis
Oh, alright, well not that one, but still, banning the bump stocks.
tim pool
And we fell for that too, and then, we were talking about it like a couple weeks ago, and I was like, yeah, he did say, you know, I like to ban the guns first and go through the courts later, and then we pulled up the quote, and he was actually not, he was speaking, it was pulled out of context.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
It seems like he was quoting someone else.
And he may have been saying something like, look, I really don't want to be the guy who says, I want to get the guns first and then go through the courts later.
hannah claire brimelow
They were like, just clip that middle part.
tim pool
It was clearly pulled out of context, and we don't know what the full context was.
aiden mattis
Yeah, that's a good point.
So not that one then, but yeah, I was upset about the Bumstock ban, because it was just stupid.
tim pool
But they lost.
aiden mattis
They did, eventually, yeah.
tim pool
That was Trump who led the charge on that.
aiden mattis
Yeah, I think so, right?
tim pool
I don't know.
aiden mattis
If I remember correctly, he was the one who, after Vegas, was like, yeah, we gotta ban this, we gotta get rid of these things.
Because at heart, he is a New Yorker.
You know, he is as New York as it gets.
Um, so I think he still does have some of that in him.
Honestly, more than anything, I just don't think he's the man for the job.
I don't think Biden is either though, and that's what's difficult as a younger voter, as a more independent leaning voter, is like, I...
I cannot imagine four more years of Biden, but at the same time, I feel a weird sense of, like, betraying my own values voting for Trump.
tim pool
Which values?
aiden mattis
Again, it's the hardcore, like, Second Amendment absolutist, the tariffs that he was running throughout.
Now, I will say, his proposal to remove income tax entirely and replace it with tariff, I like that.
I don't like both.
tim pool
That's Congress, though.
aiden mattis
I know.
So that's the issue.
I look at him and there's nothing— What's the issue with tariffs?
If you have income tax and tariffs, tariffs are just a tax on the American people.
If you have no income tax and you do have tariffs, well now you're being taxed only on your consumption.
I'm fine being taxed on consumption.
tim pool
How are tariffs a tax on the American people?
aiden mattis
Because even if you're technically taxing the overseas producers, when it gets over here, since the overseas producers are bringing things in, the American companies buying them have to pay more money to buy them, and then they pass that cost on to us.
tim pool
So just buy domestically produced products?
aiden mattis
I would love to.
The problem is a lot of them, we don't have a lot of them.
Now I'm, again, fully in favor of bringing manufacturing back, of bringing jobs back.
tim pool
How do you do that?
aiden mattis
I think Trump is the best option for that.
I do think that.
tim pool
But like, how do you bring the factories back to the United States?
aiden mattis
Lowering taxes.
I think that if you were to lower taxes enough, and you were to give people the correct incentives without tariffs, I think you can do it.
tim pool
You'd have to lower them to zero to compete with China.
aiden mattis
That is fine.
Yeah.
I'm fine with that.
Get rid of the taxes.
15% flat tax on income, that's it.
Nothing else.
tim pool
What if you penalized companies that move their factories overseas?
aiden mattis
That's the thing.
With that, it becomes the precedent of, alright, well, how does this work?
How do we decide when a company is getting penalized for moving overseas?
How do we decide when a domestic company gets penalized?
tim pool
You charge a tariff on their products to be imported.
aiden mattis
So if an auto manufacturer moves... I'll admit, you have me on my rear end here.
You're beating me.
tim pool
It's also funny because you said earlier... This is what Trump did.
hannah claire brimelow
You also said earlier that the libertarians, like, you liked what the Mises were doing.
They were saying, like, we should compromise.
We should get some wins where we can.
And then you're also like, but, you know, even though Trump would provide me all these things, like, I still wouldn't vote for him.
Well, no, it was... The philosophy is contradicting for me.
aiden mattis
It is.
I'll admit, it probably is a little contradictory.
You know, I think...
I think at this point everybody's entrenched and I'm having a hard time changing my paradigm.
tim pool
In 2015, it might have been 2016, Michael Moore had one of the greatest speeches in modern American politics, which was intended as an anti-Trump speech.
Although all the Trump supporters did was they clipped the end out and they presented what was the greatest Trump-supporting speech of all time.
Where Michael Moore said, Donald Trump went into the office of the big auto manufacturers and he said, if you move these factories out of the United States and send them overseas, I will charge a 30% tariff on all of your goods and no one will buy your cars ever again.
And Michael Moore said it was amazing.
No one had ever stood up to these big corporations before like this.
And what he described as Trump is the biggest F.U.
in the history of the world.
The human Molotov cocktail thrown into the machine.
He then goes on to say, and they'll like it for a little while.
And then, no end then, people loved it.
Donald Trump put these tariffs in place, and what did we end up seeing?
A lot of factories decided, instead of, he's got us by the balls.
If we try and make a widget here, it's gonna cost us $1 to make, and then we're going to pay the government 30% on top.
If we make it in the US, it's going to cost us $1.20 with no tariff.
We save $0.10 per widget, make them domestically.
And it was really amazing when, I can't remember which auto manufacturer it was, they moved back up to Michigan.
There was an announcement of a $3 billion investment back in like 2017 or 2018.
The moment Joe Biden gets in, they cancel it, go back to Mexico.
And so all those jobs instantly lost.
Poor Michigan.
Michigan is experiencing a social collapse.
What's happening in Detroit is really fascinating.
The reason why we got the Flint water crisis?
Flint, Michigan has some of the most expensive water in the country.
And so Flint switched off from the Detroit lines into their own local river, which was really bad.
So people start getting like Legionnaire's disease.
The reason Detroit was so expensive is that if you have a water system that costs a million dollars per month to maintain, it's static.
That cost ain't changing.
Those pipes are there.
Someone's got to run these services.
Well, if you have 10 million people, I'm not saying like they do in Detroit, but let's say you have 2 million people.
You can split that up.
Everyone spends 50 cents per month.
That's no problem.
50 cents.
Unfortunately, a million people leave.
Everyone's costs double.
Now it's a dollar.
To be fair, it's actually much higher than this.
Everyone was spending like 30-40 bucks on water, and then as the population began to flee Michigan because the auto manufacturers left and the rust belt is dying, The static cost remains, so the cost per person goes up every time someone moves out.
Eventually, you ended up with the Detroit metropolitan area having the most expensive water in the country.
So Flint says, we can't afford this, we're poor.
Shut it off and switch to Flint River.
And then everyone started getting sick, creating a massive crisis.
We built this massive system in Detroit.
It was beautiful.
And they've destroyed it because they allowed these companies to go to Mexico and China to produce these products with slave labor.
The people in China, they're not getting paid.
The Foxconn laboratories, famously 10 years ago, people were walking off the building in mass or threatening to walk off the building in mass suicide because they were getting paid so little.
And they were forced to live in these like 16 person rooms and in bunk beds and work like 12 to 14 hour days, barely getting any sleep.
We shouldn't allow that.
We shouldn't allow companies to exp... like, it's basically slavery.
They are going to countries where there are no laws to govern human rights abuses so they can manufacture a product for a hundred bucks and then sell it to an American for a thousand.
What that does is it extracts I think Trump was right to impose the tariffs and say, make it in America, give Americans the job.
working class, sending it from regular working people slowly over time to the wealthiest
Americans and the rest, a pittance, goes to the slave labor in Mexico, China, Indonesia
and other places where they make your clothes, Cambodians and things like that.
I think Trump was right to impose the tariffs and say, make it in America, give Americans
the job, this will make for Americans, some of these products might be a little bit more
expensive in the short term, but in the long term, because we're multi-layered thinkers,
Americans all of a sudden have income.
They're working jobs where they make a lot of money.
They're manufacturing cars, computers.
We're no longer dependent on China for chips, or I should say Taiwan, but China for our medicine?
Our antibiotics and our vitamin C is making China an adversary of this country?
That is absolutely insane.
I'm with Trump.
I think he hit the nail on the head with the hammer with that one.
And then what happened?
They came out and they said this was a tax on the American people because these companies aren't going to change their behaviors.
Okay, well that may be.
I don't know.
What I can tell you is Joe Biden now just implemented tariffs.
Saying, well, we got to do it this way because the outsourcing is killing this country.
aiden mattis
It is a little absurd that Biden is just slowly re-implementing Trump policies, and it's all the ones they hated at the beginning.
Now, I mean, what's left?
I don't think there's any Trump economic policies that Biden hasn't adopted because they worked better than his own.
I think it's just social at this point.
tim pool
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aiden mattis
You're like, Antifa can't afford $25.
tim pool
So when we first started, yeah.
So it's fascinating.
Many of them don't want to pay at all.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Some of them would still do it.
And then they would come in and they would try and screw with us.
And so then I was like, we have to put a gate.
So none of these Antifa people pay and want to pay 10 months for six months to do it.
So they give up.
Yeah.
$25 also was like, eh, it's not worth it.
So we were like, this created like a minimum barrier to make sure, like you can go in the chat rooms, but there's like, after six months you get upgraded because we're trying to keep, people could do real disruptive stuff.
And so we were like, got to keep those people out of here.
Only for the legit people who actually want to have the conversations.
And then I will announce for our elite members.
You may have seen the video I posted on X singing Eve Six's Inside Out.
That's right, karaoke.
And so we're going to be giving shoutouts to our elite members, which is a hundred bucks a month.
So we went to this bar, they had karaoke night and there was like seven people there and I'm like, we need more people.
So I was like, we should just shout out the elite members.
Let them know, like, hey, we're going to come hang out.
Come hang out with us in West Virginia.
And so that's, you know, a good, like a good benefit to those who really do, who are really supporting us with the elite membership.
And then you can, you can hang out and sing Eve 6 with us.
And then I tweeted it to Eve 6 because that dude Max is very, very lefty.
And I wanted him to know that I know all the lyrics.
I did not need the prompter and I could sing that song again.
And I will.
All right, here we go.
Kyle says, hoping for another shout out for Chronic Golf and Games on Hilton Head.
We're proud to have whole bean and ground cast brew for sale in our marketplace.
Shout out, man.
Really do appreciate it.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
Kyle says, Doctor... Is that Ethan?
Ethan Hame is facing 10 years on four felony charges for reporting on how his Texas hospital was chemically and surgically castrating kids as young as 11.
Yeah, I've seen the story.
We've actually got one of these stories up for the Members Only show, which will get a little spicy, so... And Chris Carr just covered this on SCNR.com, so check out his article.
Craig Dubbs says, I want to publicly thank Chris for not only supporting the suffering MMTLP community, but giving us full access to his contacts in Washington.
He's a man of the people.
100-plus congressmen have signed on.
unidentified
Yes, I'll actually talk about that stuff that came up for a minute.
So, you know, you hear a lot about the stock market manipulation that happened with AMC and with GameStop.
Well, really, the one that has the evidence, the one that would be the smoking gun, if you will, is MMTLP.
So this is a dividend stock who went on the OTC and traded for a little while against the company's will, and then eventually was to be, by FINRA, announced on December 6, 2022, that on December 12, it was going to stop trading and go private again.
Okay, well then on the 7th, the vice president of OTC backs up that same thing saying, you got to December 12th, sell your shares, get your money out.
Okay, then on December 8th, FINRA again backs up that same statement, December 12th it will go off being publicly traded.
Then all these people, 65,000 shareholders, wake up on December 9th with the trade halted and all their money gone.
And we have reached out to members of Congress.
Congressman Mooney here in West Virginia has been a big help with this.
I helped with 15 of these 100 signatures personally.
So we have about 25% of Congress demanding answers, wanting FINRA to release a share count here just to audit this thing.
And, you know, we talk about having free and fair markets.
Well, how about a free and fair stock market where everyday people like us can invest their way to our American dream without these hedge funds doing naked shorting and getting these regulatory agencies to do these unfair halts taking your money?
It's robbery.
It's Robin Hood in reverse.
hannah claire brimelow
How did you get interested in this or learn about it?
unidentified
I actually learned about it through Twitter.
I was running for office and people reached out to me.
I always try to help people where I can.
People reach out to me about an issue.
I always try to research it and try to help as many people as I can.
I'm not even elected to office yet.
I'm not even sworn in technically yet.
I see an opportunity to make a difference.
I have, through helping President Trump's campaigns and the Tea Party movement.
I know some people in D.C.
So, you know, when people presented me with an issue, I started calling these congressmen, like, hey, have you heard about this?
They're like, no.
So then I get, you know, some people like Drew Diligence is what he goes on on Twitter.
His name's Drew.
He has to give me some evidence.
Let's get some stuff together.
Let's start having some, you know, phone calls, some Zoom calls with some of these congressmen.
You know, Sessions and Mooney and Eli Crane and Matt Gaetz and others have been very vocal on this.
And it's becoming a bipartisan issue.
And it's actually, you know, gives you a little bit of glimmer of hope.
We talk about the two-party system and how they're at odds with each other.
It's amazing, you know, the hundred members of Congress we have.
It's not all one party.
So, I mean, it does give you a little bit of glimmer of hope that you see a little bit of bipartisanship going on.
But, you know, we're 18 months into this and it's not been resolved.
And we have to resolve this stuff so we can, you know, have free and fair stock markets.
Because the money, the amount of money that has been stolen from these people and the amount of suffering they've been through, it's inexcusable.
I mean, this is so unconstitutional on so many levels.
hannah claire brimelow
It's very cool that you took that on.
tim pool
Right on, alright.
We got Max Reddick who says, Tim, did Pac-Man ever confirm for Culture War?
If so, this Friday.
The good news is, Pac-Man, we were talking about coming on, he wants to come on with Just Me.
He agreed.
However, the original date was July 5th.
We are not here on July 5th.
It's like literally impossible.
And so we are rescheduling, but shout out to David.
I respect it and I appreciate his willingness to come on and have the conversation.
Just meet him on the Culture War podcast.
But I will stress that Thursday and Friday, July 4th and 5th, no shows because it's like the most important holiday.
One of them, Father's Day is a pretty important one.
I tweeted that out.
The most important because fathers are required for a functioning society.
Everyone was very excited.
But the 4th of July, we are going to be hanging out.
We're going to be watching the fireworks and we're going to be eating burgers and doing America stuff and flying the American flag because we love this country and we want it to survive.
And when I say that there's like no country, I mean we are at odds.
The people who believe in what America is Actually, I can simplify it.
If someone flies an American flag, you know who they're voting for.
That's where we currently are in this country, and that matters.
So, also, July 5th is also 4th of July, too.
Everybody knows on July 5th, we're all gonna be out eating burgers and watching fireworks, and then we're gonna do the same thing on Saturday, so we get a four-day 4th of July celebration this year, and we are going to accept it.
The reality is also, there's literally no way to book someone to come on the 5th of July.
No way.
I wouldn't even want to ask somebody.
They're going to be like, dude, I'm going to be hanging out with my family.
unidentified
Come on.
hannah claire brimelow
We really respect the observance of 4th of July here.
We can't ask anyone to travel on it unless it is for freedom and liberty purposes.
tim pool
Yeah, the other tough thing is that we're going through our holiday schedule and the last two weeks of December are just out.
Because Christmas falls, I think, on Tuesday.
And so it's like... So that's it.
Monday's Christmas Eve, we're gonna be with family.
Tuesday's Christmas, we'll be with family.
And there's no way we're having anybody fly to this studio on a Wednesday.
And then it's like, what do you do?
Thursday and Friday?
And then you got New Year's coming up right away?
Ah, it's not happening.
Nobody wants to do that.
hannah claire brimelow
Plus, if there's any, like, bad storms, like, you get one delayed flight and it messes up the entire guest schedule, I assume.
tim pool
Yeah.
Alright, let's grab some more Super Chats.
Here we go.
AJ Helbeck.
Hey everyone, I don't know who else to turn to, but my Bernese has gone through a life-saving surgery, and the medical costs are sadly more than I can manage.
If anyone can help, it's on Y-Donate.
Bastion the Bernese.
I don't know what Y Donate is.
hannah claire brimelow
You've never heard of that.
aiden mattis
I'm assuming it's just another kind of like GoFundMe, right?
tim pool
Yeah, best of luck.
unidentified
I know GoFundMe and GiveSendGo, but I haven't heard of that one.
tim pool
Yeah, I like GiveSendGo because they're not woke.
They don't ban you.
Like, uh, like, wait, wait, not, not GiveSendGo.
Wait.
unidentified
Yeah, I guess GoFundMe is the bad one.
tim pool
GiveSendGo is the good one.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There we go.
I got confused here a second.
aiden mattis
All right.
tim pool
I don't even understand how you get deported 16 times, come back, and then get a job without a driver's license.
CDL caused a fatal crash last week in Colorado that killed someone.
He was deported 16 times prior.
Brandon's border has consequences.
aiden mattis
I don't even understand how you get deported 16 times, come back and then get a job without
a driver's license.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, well, we can't judge judge potential asylum seekers.
And if we just assume everyone is supposed to be here, it's just so many times.
It's crazy to me.
But you hear stuff like this all the time, right?
I mean, the story of someone who's been deported multiple times with an established criminal history comes back and, I don't know, commits a crime is well-documented in America.
We just don't take the border crisis seriously, especially under this administration.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, we've even had a woman here in West Virginia who was murdered by an illegal immigrant who It's sad to me that you can name so many, like Rachel Moore in Maryland, at Mama 5, Lake and Riley.
You know, with the Iguana immigration, I call it an invasion.
Let's just call it what it is.
I mean, it's an invasion of people into our country.
And also the fentanyl crisis.
I mean, we have to have, you know, if the federal government's not going to secure the border,
then the states need to be willing to band together to do it.
I mean, it's their 10th Amendment right to have, you know, secure borders.
hannah claire brimelow
It's sad to me that you can name so many, like Rachel Moran in Maryland, at Mama 5,
Lake and Riley.
The fact that this is something that I feel like it should be something that happens once,
and it captures house attention, and we're horrified by it.
But instead, there are so many names that you honestly end up forgetting some, and it's sad.
tim pool
All right, the text vet says, the draft is only for aggressive wars.
A war in self-defense wouldn't need a draft.
aiden mattis
True.
tim pool
People would defend themselves and our land.
The only need for a draft is to force people to serve in an unwanted war.
Get rid of the draft.
Disagree.
aiden mattis
I'm with you on that.
tim pool
The draft in a defensive war organizes and coordinates efforts to win the war.
If an invasion force lands at Boston, and you say, nah, everyone will defend themselves, a coordinated, organized enemy force will easily crush all of these singular individuals trying to defend themselves.
When you conscript the young men, you say, in order to repel them, we have to organize our forces and build a strategy to stop them.
Because, you know, I'll put it this way, you know why there's no anarchists, great anarchist societies?
I believe Catalonia briefly had one for a little bit?
aiden mattis
Iceland, for a while.
tim pool
Oh yeah, that's a great example too, Iceland.
And do you know why Iceland had one for a little while?
aiden mattis
Because they're in the middle of the ocean?
tim pool
Exactly.
Because what happens with anarchist societies is a barbarian leader or a fascist dictator or otherwise just says, so they try to rule by committee?
So I can just instruct my men to take it?
Okay.
So anytime there's an attempt at some like passive, we're going to meet together and talk without a massive powerful standing army?
The standing army just walks in.
And then the anarchists are like, quick, convene a meeting to figure out what to do!
Who's in charge?
I don't know!
And then you are being ruled by some bad guy.
aiden mattis
Yeah, we fought hard at Bunker Hill, and we fought hard as we were getting pushed down through New York and into Pennsylvania and into Virginia, and it was only once we got to Valley Forge and trained the military that we were able to do anything.
We need a draft for domestic wars.
tim pool
All right, Jump Daddy says, I'm a paratrooper in the 82nd.
We started getting female infantrymen last year.
They can't carry a rucksack over 70 pounds, they can't carry a machine gun, and they're all getting medically retired.
I've heard these stories.
hannah claire brimelow
This is why I ask, do you think part of it is that people don't want to recognize the differences between men and women?
They just think, oh, a person's a person and a person, which is not inherently true.
tim pool
In combat, yes.
If they drafted all of these Gen Z women and made them clean the kitchen, then you've got administrative work, you've got... I'm for the Civil Service Corps, I agree, but I do not want anyone... But military has people who clean kitchens, too.
aiden mattis
True.
hannah claire brimelow
We should suffer that out.
Maybe that would help the military budget, right?
If we make that a Civil Service Corps.
aiden mattis
You know it's not gonna fly.
tim pool
We got a couple options for you, okay?
Combat, and it should be a requirement to carry the proper weight, machine gun, rucksack, all of that stuff, or Domestic work.
You know what I mean?
Like...
You know, someone's got to clean up the puke in the mess hall or whatever, someone's got to do the dishes, someone's got to make the food.
aiden mattis
There's also, there are like internal jobs they can take, like small arms techs.
tim pool
Secretaries.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
The one that I thought immediately was small arms tech, because first of all, women's hands.
Smaller.
Easier to work with tiny parts.
And it's totally safe.
There's no danger.
You are back behind the lines.
Everybody comes to you and says, I need my gun.
You hand it to them, that's all you do.
tim pool
They can pull levers in a factory to make the, you know, machines work.
Domestic, no problem.
You get drafted, you work, you gotta go do it.
Hey, there you go.
hannah claire brimelow
As long as you don't get military service benefits for it.
tim pool
If you're in the military, I say, why not?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think they should be in the military.
I think they should do these tasks in the Civil Service Corps, which I'm now getting more and more excited about every time I say it.
aiden mattis
I like the Starship Troopers model.
tim pool
There's no such thing.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the one with that, like, worm bug thing.
aiden mattis
Nuts, dude.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh.
I don't... I don't think I've seen it.
tim pool
No, there's a... there's a gigantic... Is there?
Well, it's like a... it's like a... I don't know how to describe it, I guess.
hannah claire brimelow
It's huge, but it's sort of like... And then he's like, it's afraid.
aiden mattis
Oh, that thing.
Yeah.
Okay, I know... now I know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
I'm talking more about the book.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay.
I... I haven't read the book.
aiden mattis
The movie is a satire written by a guy who never read the book.
tim pool
Yeah, but, like, even in the movie, the bugs are, like, the bad guys.
They attacked Earth.
Yeah, it's very anti-bug.
hannah claire brimelow
I definitely got that vibe.
tim pool
I was like, what?
And then he tried making the humans look like Nazis, and I'm like, but we were attacked.
They blew up a city and killed millions of people.
hannah claire brimelow
The bugs were the aggressors here.
tim pool
Yeah, they were evil.
Wow.
They killed so many people for no reason.
And then we went and we conquered them.
Don't hit me.
I don't want to get into a fight, you know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
Omega Rasetsu says, Tim, have you considered that including women to be part of the Selective Service would be how it is dismantled?
I personally say end the draft.
I like the idea of like, you know, back in the day, the British are coming and they're killing everybody and people are like, okay, we have to stand up against this.
And they went to a bunch of young men and said, are you with us or not?
And they were like, you're in, we got to defend this country if there's going to be one.
But I do believe a lot of the Continental Army was enlisted, not conscripted.
hannah claire brimelow
I think part of enlisted is that you believe that there is something worth fighting for, and I can understand where generations after seeing, you know, Endless Wars or feeling like the places we're being sent don't actually serve a national defense purpose.
They just sort of serve the purpose of getting more influence for people in positions of influence.
That's not a very inspirational time to sign up and potentially risk your life.
aiden mattis
Yeah, no.
tim pool
What have we here?
Ryan Sargent says, straight up, women's equality depends on men's willingness to grant it.
Prove me wrong.
No, you're correct.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
There's a video that went viral a few months ago, and it's popping up again, where an untrained man fights a woman with 10 years experience in karate.
And it's just like, people are saying the guy's clearly holding back.
It's like, yeah.
Other people complained that the style of karate she was, she was using was not a legitimate fighting style.
And I gotta admit, I'd be willing to bet that if this guy who was untrained fought Ronda Rousey, she'd mess him up.
aiden mattis
Yeah.
tim pool
Real bad.
However, I do think that like the average guy, well, you know, I don't know if that's true anymore.
The average guy is so doughy and weak that they probably would not be able to actually handle a trained woman at this point.
Whereas like, If you go back to what the average guy is supposed to be versus the 200-pound guy it is today, you know, maybe.
Women on average are 170 pounds in the United States.
aiden mattis
That's crazy.
I'm 185 pounds.
hannah claire brimelow
What is the average height?
tim pool
For a woman it's, what, 5'4".
5'4", 170 pounds?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and guys are 5'9", 200.
tim pool
Guys.
Yikes.
Not the ratio I would go for.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, no.
I was 5'9", 200 a year and a half ago.
I did not look good.
aiden mattis
But no I was five nine and two hundred a year and a half ago. I did not look good
I did not feel good Let's go.
tim pool
Tim Aldridge says, as someone who's tried to initially join the Air Force and then cross over from the Navy into the Space Force, good luck getting into either, especially during a war.
aiden mattis
I had a very good ASVAB score.
I'm hoping it sticks.
tim pool
Everyone's going to want to be working in the kitchen.
aiden mattis
I want to write the propaganda.
I want that to be my job.
hannah claire brimelow
Space Force makes its recruiting goals, so it'll be interesting to see how the draft would affect them.
It's really, you know, infantry.
That's what the draft is for.
I just don't know that many people who are like... I have known some, but there are not a lot of people who are like, I want to be front lines.
tim pool
Alright, Sneak King says we should draft illegal aliens first.
hannah claire brimelow
No.
unidentified
No.
aiden mattis
They have no stake in it.
They won't want to fight.
They'll desert.
tim pool
They're already talking about doing that and granting them citizenship in exchange.
aiden mattis
That might work.
hannah claire brimelow
Boo.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
Yeah, not a fan.
hannah claire brimelow
You come here illegally, and then we're like, okay, but if we give you federal money, you'll be loyal to the federal government?
And they're like, okay.
tim pool
I say we send them all to Ukraine.
aiden mattis
Well, my thinking is you don't take all of the illegal immigrants, put them into a regiment together, and then send them off to fight.
You split them up amongst regiments that are full of Americans, and then that culturally Americanizes them.
It's what the Romans did in a lot of cases.
hannah claire brimelow
I just think it's weird that there are all kinds of rules about enlisting in the military when you have a criminal record.
But if you're here in the country illegally, which is a crime, you could then be in the military and be granted a pathway to citizenship.
aiden mattis
I do think it's a little silly that we have, you can't be in the military if you have a criminal record.
Like, so many people come out of the military better people than they went in.
I mean, you are in there with people who are They're going to call you out when you do bad things.
They're going to make it a problem when you go against the group.
Like, they're gonna teach you how to be a team player.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
So we're gonna put an end to this right now.
aiden mattis
Oh boy.
unidentified
S.A.
tim pool
Federale says you better call it Quad Cities Pizza, Tim.
S.A., you are wrong.
Stop calling my pizza your pizza.
This right here, we have an image.
Let me show it for you.
This is Chicago.
This is real Chicago pizza.
What you are seeing on your screen This right here, this image where you can see a little, that deep dish garbage, that is tourist pizza for people who don't know what pizza is, and they come to Chicago, and they went, I want Chicago pizza, and we all go, yeah, yeah, go to Giordano's.
And they do, don't get me wrong, Lou Malnati's, I don't know if Leona's still exists, Pizzeria Uno, they're all over the place, and Giordano's, it's good, but 99% of the time, in Chicago, when you'd order a pizza, you would get this big thing right here on the right.
The crust is flat.
It is thin.
It doesn't rise on the edges.
It's crunchy.
The middle is not crunchy, like under the cheese and everything.
It's thick, but it's still kind of soft.
This is Quad Cities.
What is this?
I've never had such a thing before.
aiden mattis
That's just a Neapolitan pizza sliced into squares.
tim pool
I do not know what this Quad Cities pizza is.
Do not come to me and tell me that your pizza is my pizza.
unidentified
Okay?
hannah claire brimelow
The one you're saying that's classic Chicago pizza looks interesting.
You know, obviously I grew up in New England.
There's a pizza quality that I'm looking for.
The thing about deep dish pizza is you can't pick it up.
You have to use utensils for it.
It's fun as a thing, but see, I feel like when I've eaten it, it's like just too... It is kind of hard.
aiden mattis
I think it's because outside of Chicago, nobody knows how to do it right.
hannah claire brimelow
It's nice, but it just doesn't seem like, if you're looking for pizza, this is what you would get.
I will tell you this.
tim pool
In my life, I have gone to a deep dish pizza place 7 or 8 times.
And I have gone to a real pizza place 897 times.
I mean, honestly, probably more than that.
We would go to Big Tony's in near Logan Square, and I think it's closed now, and we'd order the extra-large jumbo family-size Giardiniera pizza, and it was massive, and it looked like that.
hannah claire brimelow
Can they call it tavern-style?
tim pool
Well, I guess that's what it's called.
I don't know.
We just called it pizza.
And almost never would we be like, let's go get pizza and eat Giordano's.
I like Giordano's, it's good.
No beef.
You know, it's tourist pizza.
The tourists come in and they go, we want pizza, and they go buy the weird tourist stuff from that big chain of tourist pizza places that you could order on the internet pre-made frozen and delivered to you.
aiden mattis
You guys want a little Philadelphia secret?
Pats and Geno's aren't the best cheese steaks.
tim pool
Probably.
aiden mattis
They're not anywhere near it.
tim pool
Well, you gotta get the good local stuff.
Alright everybody, now that we've solved the pizza crisis, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, because that uncensored call-in show will be starting in about a minute!
You can follow me at TimCast on Axe on Instagram, share the show with your friends if you really like it, smash that like button.
Chris, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
So anyone that wants to follow me, you can follow me on social media at ChrisRoseWV.
It's all the way across all social media platforms for simplicity.
And ChrisRoseWV.com.
And keep following the race, folks.
This is a liberty-minded race.
This is a liberty-minded candidate who's going to, you know, help make West Virginia be a bastion for the rest of the country.
We're going to fight to get rid of the state income tax.
We're going to make West Virginia the best place in the country to live, work, and raise a family.
And I look forward to returning it to our Founding Fathers' principles of freedom.
That's awesome.
aiden mattis
Oh yeah?
I like that.
I like everything you're saying, man.
Come to Pennsylvania next.
tim pool
You wanna shout anything out?
aiden mattis
Sorry, sorry, yeah, I forgot about that.
Yeah, I'm Aidan Mattis.
I am the host of the Lore Lodge.
We talk about a whole bunch of histories and mysteries, and as you can tell from me getting smoked by Tim tonight, not politics.
unidentified
Sorry, I don't like our conversation.
aiden mattis
No, no, no, no, that was a compliment.
You had me totally on my heels.
I was beaten fair and square.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you gonna vote for Trump now?
Is that what you're saying?
aiden mattis
I have some thinking to do.
unidentified
There's a hat for you in the truck if you do.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you say where people can follow you on social media?
aiden mattis
Yes, it's basically the Lore Lodge for everything, or at the Aidan Mattis.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I'm glad that you took part in the friendly discussion, and I'm excited to see what happens with your race.
It's going to be an interesting November for sure.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimel.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, that's Scanner News.
Follow all of our work at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
I'm on Twitter at hannahclaireb and I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b.
Thank you guys for everything you do.
Bye, Serge!
unidentified
Good news.
See ya.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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