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tim pool
Y'all called it.
We called it.
Everybody saw it coming.
Joe Biden is now offering up various forms of amnesty and pathways to citizenship for non-citizens as the country is being massively, well, I'll just say invaded by millions of illegal immigrants.
And the theory was that sometime before the election, Joe Biden was going to offer up some kind of path to citizenship for many of these people, and he is, which actually is leading to non-citizens and illegal immigrants being given voter registration forms.
Surprise, surprise.
Now, what does this turn into?
I don't know.
But I would look at this like... I would say this.
What's going to happen is they're going to give work permits.
They're going to be giving residency to illegal immigrants.
And then accidentally, they'll claim, when they were filling out the paperwork, of course, you know, when you're getting your ID, you get a voter registration form.
And we didn't realize it, but they signed up.
registered, and then voted, and who's actually going to audit the election this November.
So it's something everyone should pay attention to.
Be paying attention to, we'll talk about that, plus the HAVV, the Help America Vote Verification Story, which we have some updates on.
And of course, Fox News going to war over the White House's cheap fakes claim.
It's actually interesting because Fox says that this is entering litigation territory.
Because the White House and many news outlets are claiming that Fox is deceptively editing videos to manipulate the public, and Fox is claiming these are just pool report videos, meaning a single camera films everything and every news outlet shares the exact same thing.
So it's certainly getting interesting.
And then, of course, the FBI showed up to another whistleblower's home, this big story.
Where there was a hospital worker blowing the whistle on child surgeries, gendered surgeries, that's still going on, and a medication.
And apparently now the FBI's up to the house of a nurse, who also may be blowing the whistle.
This is getting absolutely crazy, but it does show that we're in, I don't want to call it a two-tiered justice system, but certainly there's a political regime using law enforcement to enact its agenda.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Kingsley Wilson.
kingsley wilson
Great to be with you guys tonight.
I'm Kingsley Wilson.
I'm a Trump campaign alum.
I currently do digital media at the Center for Renewing America in D.C.
and I'm also national committee woman for the D.C.
Young Republicans.
ian crossland
And Ian Crossland in the house.
Good to see you guys, actor, musician, and co-host occasionally.
How are you doing, Hannah-Claire?
hannah claire brimelow
Co-host when you're not traversing Florida.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimel.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
Let's get started.
Okay.
I forgot what my intro is.
Hi, Serge.
unidentified
Hello.
Yeah, let's get started, man.
tim pool
All right.
Let's jump to this story from the New York Post.
Biden says every country must secure its borders, blames Trump as Republicans decry new amnesty for 550,000.
President Biden declared himself a champion of national sovereignty Tuesday, insisting every country must secure its borders, as he announced new initiatives that Republicans decried as amnesty for about 550,000 long-term U.S.
residents who arrived illegally.
The 81-year-old president, who has presided over three years of record-breaking illegal immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border, tried to blame his predecessor and general election rival Trump while unveiling plans to quicken permanent residency for
people living in the country unlawfully, while married to Americans, and to speed up
work permits for non-citizens who graduate from U.S. colleges. So this other story, Biden
announcing new measures to speed up work visas for DREAMers, this is exactly what we thought was
going to happen, and I would not be surprised if in the next couple of months, Joe Biden
announces more and more plans.
He's already forgiven student loans he had no legal authority to forgive.
He is now offering up paths to citizenship through executive order, authority he does not have.
And at the same time, we are seeing law enforcement go after his political rivals.
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
hannah claire brimelow
It is crazy that he was effectively like, we're going to go by squatters' rights.
If you've just been here long enough, we'll just say, okay, now you can be a citizen.
You know, so the 550, it's 500,000 people who are married to Americans who are here illegally, meaning they are in the process of committing a crime, but being here illegally.
And then also about 50,000 children whose parents are here illegally but married to
an American.
They'll be shielded from deportation and potentially also given a pathway to citizenship because
they're saying permanent residency, but that ultimately leaves the door open to citizenship.
I think it's a big slap in the face to anyone who's migrated here legally, who has waited
for the visa or has had to go through the strenuous process of being separated from
your fiance or anything like that.
Biden doesn't respect people who respect the law.
tim pool
I'm hearing that, well, I think everybody knows this.
If you try to come here legally, it's very difficult.
And that's why, you know, Fox News reporting from the southern border, they've got people from China and other countries just walking in.
And they're like, well, if we actually want to go the normal route, we can't.
So we'll just walk in.
They let us in.
Then there's your criminal case is dissolved, meaning you're in limbo.
You're not a citizen, but there's no action against you.
What they're going to do, is they're going to say permanent residency for DACA and for illegal immigrants that got married you will now be given permanent resident status in this country and then they're going to say we will now create a path to naturalizing permanent residence and the argument they'll make is these are people who live here
They've been here for a long time.
They're gonna say, if you're a permanent resident who has been in the United States for longer than five years, we will give you a simple form to fill out to gain your citizenship.
Then, illegal immigrants who have been here for a long time will be given permanent residency, and then a week later, they can file for citizenship, and I wouldn't be surprised if they then vote.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I mean, this is ultimately what it's about, getting new voters for the Democratic Party.
So they think the application process will open at the end of the summer.
Anyone who applies will get a work permit for the next three years.
And then also, again, it'll move on to permanent residency.
I just don't understand why people would think this is a good thing, right?
It doesn't make sense to me that people are critical of enforcing border law while also saying, well, actually we want to incentivize illegal immigration.
We know illegal immigration is linked to drug trafficking, to human smuggling.
It's illegal and it does not help the communities that have to bear the burden of absorbing tons of illegal immigrants.
This is against your community, it's against the country, and yet Biden is saying, I am really handling this because the congressional Republicans couldn't.
kingsley wilson
And I think too, like, it definitely is an attempt to buy votes, right?
Because Democrats are seeing the same polling that we're seeing.
They're seeing that 63% of Americans support deportations of immigrants who are here illegally.
53% of Hispanic voters support deportations as well.
Those numbers are shocking.
We've never seen polling like that.
So They're going to have to try to offer out as many goodies as they can up until November because they need to lock in and secure these votes.
And I hate the term dreamers as if American citizens don't have dreams, right?
Lake and Riley had dreams.
Kate Steinle had dreams.
And those dreams need to be put to the forefront.
We can't, you know, just cater to those who break our laws every day by being here and just put Americans, you know, wishes and life goals to the back seat.
That has to end.
tim pool
I'm going to start using the term dreamer to refer to someone who is victimized by an illegal immigrant.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's a good idea, because it happens all the time, and yet they don't matter enough to Democrats to do anything to enforce border security.
Biden said during his speech today when he was addressing this, you know, the majority of Americans support this.
Don't let the other side fool you.
And you want to be like, this is literally not true.
You are just lying.
tim pool
The second biggest issue, according to Gallup, behind Biden's cognitive function.
ian crossland
I could see there are situations where ripping someone out of a community, even if they're illegally there, will destroy the community in a way that outbalances it.
You know, you've got prosecutorial discretion.
You don't want to just throw everyone out.
But maybe if someone's been married for five years and they're illegally here... There's no minimum time for marriage.
That's messed up in my opinion, because if someone just broke in a year ago and then got married for... no, no, no.
hannah claire brimelow
They have to have resided in America for 10 years, but it doesn't matter how long they've been married.
tim pool
I honestly don't care about any time frame for illegal immigrants.
The idea that someone broke into my house and has been hiding in the attic and then someone comes, well, to be honest, they've been hiding up there for 30 days so they're legal residents.
No, they are not.
ian crossland
An anarchistic look of, like, the Americans were illegal immigrants to this landmass, and they were pretty badass, and the ones that were really badass stayed to make a government.
So if people can figure out how to illegally get in here and they're that awesome that they set up a badass community, well, like, I kind of want those people around.
tim pool
So the colonists who came here were not illegal immigrants.
They came to undeveloped, underdeveloped territories.
There were territorial disputes with many of the tribes that were here, and it was conquest, which is a big difference.
Now, if you're arguing that people are coming here for conquest, I would completely agree with you, and then say, hey, we should reject conquest and not let people conquer us.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I'm against being conquered by people, especially of laws on the books saying you can't do this.
I don't understand why Biden would say I'm going to reward people who have been here illegally.
Like, if you want to participate in our country, vote.
You should value citizenship and you should value the nation, which means that you aren't gaming the system for your own wants and needs, right?
Not coming to the country illegally is not a great way to start off your life here long term.
I just don't think that should be reflective of the values that we encourage.
kingsley wilson
It shows, too, that you have no respect for the laws of this country.
And a lot of these people who are coming here, they make zero effort to assimilate.
Whereas, you know, earlier in our country's history, people went to great lengths, changed their last name even to sound more American, learned English very quickly.
Now these people don't learn English at all.
They have no, you know, tethering.
to our history, to our constitutional values, and that has to be stopped. And a lot of these people,
they're not contributing to society. They're living in free housing, getting free phones,
free health care, and they're not working. So they're really just a drain on the economy.
hannah claire brimelow
Biden said today that, you know, he said it and also his White House put out a statement saying,
you know, the average time someone in this situation has been here is 23 years,
and they're largely from Mexico.
And I think that was to soften it to the American public.
But ultimately, what he is saying is, little by little, I'm going to make it so that I can give anyone citizenship in a way that benefits me.
And I don't think that that is a value we would want to be a way to build our country in the future.
I think the values of our country mandate that people believe in and assimilate to American values.
kingsley wilson
I also don't understand if you've been here for 10 years and you marry a US citizen, that automatically gives you a pathway to citizenship.
So were these people just too lazy to fill out paperwork?
Like, why are they still, you know, not officially citizens?
tim pool
Going back to what you were saying, Ian, too, about if someone was here for a long time, ripping them out of the community is bad.
I feel like that's kind of like saying someone could be a functional heroin addict.
You know, like, hey, something bad is happening, they've been doing it for a long time, it's clearly not good for their health, but if they stop doing it, they'll go through withdrawals, so let's just let them keep doing it.
No, you actually get them off of it, you put them in a rehab clinic, they go through withdrawals, it sucks, you try to give them methadone or other means of weaning them off of this, but you ultimately stop.
ian crossland
But it would kind of be like if you had a heroin addict in your work pool and they're serving a function and you're just like, we got to get that guy out of there.
And he's just all of a sudden removed from the work pool.
That cog no longer functions.
The entire mechanism fails.
tim pool
Maybe Ian's right.
If there's someone at your job who does an important thing, you should let them die of heroin addiction as opposed to suffer the consequences of having to do extra work.
ian crossland
No, this is more of an argument of if you remove them from the system entirely, the system may malfunction.
So ripping everyone out of their homes all at once just because they're here illegally isn't necessarily the best thing for society.
There are sometimes that it is the best thing for society, but it's not always the best thing.
tim pool
No one's saying do it instantly all at once.
That would be, you know, people will die from withdrawal.
Let's use alcoholism, too, because alcohol is less serious than heroin.
You've got a guy at your work who's an alcoholic.
You're gonna have to remove him.
And it's like, well, imagine this.
Imagine your boss came in and said, Rick over there is a serious alcoholic.
But we need someone to pull the levers to make the machine go, so we're not going to send him to rehab.
He'll probably die of, you know, liver failure, but at least we don't have to worry about replacing him just yet.
And in the meantime, while he's dying, let's just find a replacement and then as soon as he dies of liver failure or severe alcohol poisoning, no, no, no, absolutely insane, you go to the guy and say, We're gonna have to send you to rehab because you're in serious trouble.
This is a bad thing and we're not gonna keep doing it just because we're concerned about what the negative impacts the rest of us is going to be.
So if you've got people who have come here illegally, they've displaced the homes of Gen Z. Gen Z can't afford houses now.
The market is insane.
They can't afford rent because demand is too high.
Hotels are being given to illegal immigrants.
Low-skill labor flooded.
The best example of this, when the meat processing plant saw 800 or whatever deportations, You get all these corporations saying, but Americans don't want these jobs.
And then local news filmed a bunch of Americans showing up for job opportunities, and they said, excuse me, sir, why are you coming here?
It's an actual interview you can watch, and he goes, it pays 14 bucks an hour.
It pays more than the job I had before.
And they're like, you really want to work at this plant?
He's like, of course I do!
But these companies... You know what the benefit is for the illegal immigration?
For these massive corporations?
They don't gotta pay wage taxes.
They don't gotta pay the employment tax, which is 7.5% of the income.
They can actually underpay these people below minimum wage if they want to.
But they usually don't.
That's a myth.
They'll say, look...
We'll give you 13 bucks an hour.
We don't gotta pay the 7.5.
We don't gotta pay for insurance.
We don't gotta worry about unemployment.
And then if you cause any problems, we can throw you out and there's nothing you can do because you're here illegally.
An American would get protections under the law.
And the company would pay taxes for employment.
This is why they want the illegal immigrants.
If we were to deport the people who came here illegally, there would be way more jobs for Americans, and those Americans would make more money, and that would bolster the economy.
So we are being dragged down by all these people skirting the system, not to mention outsourcing.
So, I don't agree with, let's just let it all keep happening, because we don't want to be disruptive.
When they deported all those people, what happened?
Within a week or two, or whatever, when they were reopening the plants, massive, hundreds of people were coming in trying to get those jobs, and they were able to replace the people that were here illegally.
kingsley wilson
I think, too, people freak out about deportations, you know, ripping families apart out of their homes.
Chris Hayes was whining about it on Twitter, how it's just going to be so horrific to watch.
A lot of these people are going to self-deport as well.
When you stop giving them the free housing, the free health care, the free phone, and you stop, you know, just servicing their every need, a lot of them are going to leave.
And I would be willing to even, you know, give them a stipend, perhaps, to leave.
I'd be willing to say, you know, here's a thousand dollars, get out.
tim pool
Inverse... what is it called?
Perverse incentives, though.
kingsley wilson
We'll see what happens, but if we stop catering to these people, a lot of them aren't going to... there's going to be no benefit to being here, right?
tim pool
Of course.
That's why I would argue against offering a stipend.
kingsley wilson
And also we can give them time.
We can say, hey, we're going to deport people within the next two years.
We advise that you, you know, get out before we have to come grab you.
But if you're still here, like, that is what will happen.
tim pool
Right.
But if you offer money to leave, then people will intentionally come here and then ask for the money to leave.
unidentified
Right.
kingsley wilson
Well, you have to secure the board.
It's a lot of moving parts.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
This is the real concern from the New York Post.
How non-citizens are getting voter registration forms across the U.S.
and how Republicans are trying to stop it.
Welfare offices and other agencies in 49 states are providing voter registration forms to migrants without requiring proof of citizenship, leading Republicans and conservatives to call for swift federal action to stop handouts.
Every state but Arizona has been doing this.
There is currently no requirement on federal voting forms to provide proof of citizenship.
Though it is illegal to falsely claim one is a citizen, or for a non-citizen to cast a ballot in a federal election.
Do you see the system that's being set up?
Illegal immigrant comes in.
Biden then says, we are going to give you a path towards citizenship, so for now, you get insert benefit.
Go apply for your benefit.
They do.
When a person applies for welfare, that office will also give you a voter registration form.
It doesn't matter if that form goes to a non-citizen, because it's only illegal if they cast the ballot.
Well, that non-citizen just goes, I don't know, I'll fill out whatever you give me.
Now they're in the system registered.
If you get a hundred thousand illegal immigrants voting, who's going to do that audit to make sure every name in that system is actually a person with an ID, an SSN, and is an actual citizen?
ian crossland
I think Dominion is supposed to do that.
tim pool
No, they're not.
ian crossland
I suppose somebody's supposed to, or the Federal Elections Committee or something.
There's a committee that oversees Dominion that's supposed to be involved in that.
tim pool
Checking whether or not that's the people who voted are citizens?
Nobody does that.
All that matters is you're registered because this is the game they are playing.
The assumption is you have to be a citizen to register.
Otherwise, you'll be voting when you vote.
It's a crime.
But then people who aren't citizens are being given these forms, which they will fill out and be on the voter rolls.
Then when they get their IDs, because Biden's giving them amnesty in some form, they will show up and they'll be like, this is what I was told to do.
And then no one's going to check this because they're going to be like, you know, John Smith here on this voter forum, he had an ID when he voted.
He came in with voter ID.
And people are going to be like, okay, I guess.
Who's going to actually go through each name to determine the person's address, name, verify their ID, and if no ID, their social security number.
That's not happening.
So this opens the door to a large number of illegal immigrants voting in 2024.
hannah claire brimelow
This is the thing that I think people keep waving off, you know, that, oh, well, because illegal immigration is actually about asylum and helping people and whatever else that, no, of course they won't vote.
No, of course there won't be any consequences.
No, of course it won't impact hospitals.
It won't increase wait times when you need emergency medical care.
But the reality is that It's not like people who come to this country illegally are sort of then disappearing into the air.
They obviously have an impact on the community and I think any politician would be wise to consider that.
And in this case, the Democrats, I think, largely feel as though this is a pathway towards controlling the population and the direction of the ideological growth of population.
kingsley wilson
Also, too, how often do we hear the left talk about, you know, how we need to worship at the altar of democracy?
It's every third word for them on MSNBC, right?
But at the same time, they're pushing for something like this that is actually actively subverting democracy.
We are diluting the votes of American citizens with the votes of non-citizens.
And in a democratic system, it can't work unless all of the citizens are the ones participating, and they're full-fledged citizens, and they have rights, and they have stake in what happens to that country.
They're really, you know, the ones that are putting our democracy at risk.
hannah claire brimelow
But we've made it so that asking for proof of citizenship is, you know, racist or bad or something.
Like, you're trying to do the best you can on whatever level of the bureaucracy you're in to ensure that the government, any funding, is going towards American people who are paying into the system, and that's bad?
This doesn't make any sense to me.
It never made sense to me why we couldn't have this question on the census, why this was decried as something that was hateful when really it's about Knowing who is here, what is the population we are trying to serve.
tim pool
Let's take a look at the Help America Vote verification thing.
We've been following this story for a little while.
You guys may remember this.
This is the Social Security Administration's weekly data for Help America Vote verification transactions by state.
What is this?
If someone tries to register to vote but does not have an ID.
They then verify the person's information with the MVA, no ID, gets sent to the SSA, Social Security Administration, and they check to see if the person's name, date of birth, and Social Security number match in the system.
So I have a question for you.
We've been asking this for some time now.
Why are there certain states that are experiencing tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of registrations of people with no IDs?
That's the first question.
Seems kind of odd.
One explanation was that they're doing voter roll cleanup.
That doesn't make sense.
And I'll prove it to you very simply.
Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania in the week ending June 1st had 104,250 registration attempts,
voter registration with no ID. 6,582 came back non-matches.
Now I can certainly understand.
Some of these may have had typos.
Some of them may have been, I don't know, wrong birthday.
But how do you get 6,500 people with no social security number trying to register to vote?
No ID and no social security number.
Is it fair to say that there is a failure rate of just above, just around 6%?
No.
Because we don't see that reflected in other states.
The numbers vary wildly.
In South Dakota, 39 people attempted to register to vote.
26 came back no match.
You mean to tell me that almost all of the people wrote their birthdays down wrong?
No.
So who are these people with no ID and not coming up to the Social Security Administration's database trying to register to vote?
Pennsylvania had 100,000 in the week ending June 1st.
97,563 came back with matches.
87,000 were dead.
6,582 were non-matches.
Arizona had 29,000.
3,664 non-matches.
87,563 came back with matches, 87,000 were dead, 6,582 were non-matches.
Arizona had 29,000, 3,664 non-matches.
Again, who are those 3,664 people?
I mean that's massive right there.
That's over 10% of the applicants.
You're not going to convince me they wrote their birthdays down wrong.
ian crossland
Well, Colorado's like 23% of the applicants.
The percentages go up when you go down to some of these other states, shockingly.
Connecticut's 20% of the applicants.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
In Georgia, you had 6,000 registrations, and 2,000 came back as a non-match.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's nuts.
tim pool
This means they have no ID, and when their name, date of birth, and social security number were entered in, the SSA said, we don't have that in our database.
So who is this?
I mean, there's only one explanation.
Or there's only one probable explanation.
Illegal immigrants.
Or non-citizens.
Many non-citizen permanent residents have tax ID numbers, so they'd be in the system.
So who are these people?
hannah claire brimelow
I think this is the issue, right?
Like they're saying it's not happening, it's not happening, but obviously there are huge concerns about the safety of the election and generally ballot and voter integrity.
And if we continue to say like, oh, because didn't one of the states we talked about this, The federal government was like, oh, it was voter roll clean out and the state came back and was like, no, we're not doing that.
Then who is lying here?
And I think that is one of the things that feeds into the overarching problem of lack of trust in society, like both interpersonal trust, but also personal to institution.
People don't trust the federal government is saying that it's actually using the funding for this program the way it should be.
We don't trust the numbers that are coming out of this.
And I think that Where are Republicans to challenge this?
tim pool
I mean, this story's been since the beginning of the year.
I mean, March is when it really kicked off.
Where are the Republicans to demand the SSA investigate, release documents?
Where are the hearings?
And it's kind of frustrating, too, because I'm not convinced Strongly Worded Letters would do anything about this.
Maybe I got to reach out to a member of Congress, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, somebody, and be like, you should subpoena the SSA administrators who are in charge of this to have them testify.
And it doesn't have to be adversarial.
You know, when they're asking Fauci to testify, it's very adversarial.
This would just be, we want to have a conversation, ask what these numbers are, and you could do a simple explanation.
It'll be very, very boring, I imagine.
But they might come out and be like, yeah, we don't know what this is.
How about this?
How about they subpoena the total transactions?
Let's find out.
Pennsylvania.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
Let's start easy.
Let's start easy.
In Maryland, there were 2,618 registrations.
Transactions, they call it.
2,534, nearly 100%, came back with no match.
ian crossland
That's nuts.
tim pool
So how about we ask for those registration forms?
I'd like to look at the names so we can figure out, did 97% of the people who tried to register put their birthday down wrong?
Or are they non-citizens?
Is that the reason why they're not in the SSA database?
hannah claire brimelow
It has to be something, right?
And I don't understand why a simple review would not be good.
This is the weird thing.
When you're seeing a system that seems like it's failing or inefficient, but it has to do with anything related to illegal immigration, they're like, no, we can't.
You can't talk about that.
We can't check it.
Like, why wouldn't we constantly audit all of these Washington federal bureaucracies and be like, hey, it seems like you guys either have a terrible form that no one can figure out or there is something going on.
We need to check it out.
I don't want money spent on programs That are either allowing illegal immigrants to vote in a system that they are not legally a part of or is throwing away a ton of good money because the system is apparently failing at its job.
kingsley wilson
Definitely.
And I mean, American taxpayers are also funding a lot of this stuff that's happening, you know, and these different forms that are being filled out that we're paying for the person who's reviewing those, right?
We pay their salary and their paycheck.
So I think it is incumbent on Republicans to stop with the strongly worded letters, actually find the courage to send a subpoena and to haul these people in front of the American people so that they can answer for this and provide us the evidence that, you know, we need because we need to be confident.
in our election come November.
We need to know that the election was safe, that it was secure, and the American people, as you were talking about, really need to have a restored trust in our institutions that we have lost through COVID, through the 2020 election, and all of that stuff.
And this is the first step, is accountability.
Bring these government bureaucrats into Congress.
Ask them tough questions.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
We had this from the Daily Beast.
Fox News goes to war with White House over cheap fake videos.
The network's hosts warned rival news networks that they would be in litigious territory if they continued to criticize Fox's coverage.
Well, you know the Daily Beast is basically CIA beast, so I'll correct that for you.
The network is warning that if you accuse them of producing false information intentionally, they will sue you.
And they should.
Fox News fired back Tuesday after the White House accused the conservative cable giant and Trump world of peddling deceptively cut cheap fake videos to make President Joe Biden look decrepit and feeble.
I really like that.
Cheap fake.
You got Brian Stelter appearing on cable and he's like, well, a cheap fake is when it's a real video, but they edit in a way so that you can mislead people.
And it's like, ah, like the very fine people hoax.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think Corinne Jean-Pierre is going to start selling cheap fake merch?
tim pool
No, I think we are going to appropriate the word cheap fake to accuse the corporate press of every hoax they've ever done being a cheap fake.
I like that term.
It's really great.
There's fake news, and that's a reference to a lot of the work they do.
But then you can take a look at all of the hoaxes we've had.
Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop.
You can take a look at very fine people hoax, the injecting bleach hoax.
All the cheap fakes being pumped out by the corporate press.
We ain't got nothing on them.
Man, so my bigger concern with cheap fakes is how the corporate press pumps them out day after day.
In fact, there's a cheap fake video going around right now from MSNBC, or is it MSNBC?
Nicole Wallace, where is she?
Is she CNBC?
She's claiming what they did was this, so the corporate press is running this cheap fake video where it shows Biden waving to the crowd and then cuts away to this ultra wide shot so you can't really see Biden or Obama anymore.
Then it cuts back as they're walking away.
When in the real video, that stays the same focal point the entire time, you can see Biden freeze up for about seven seconds before Obama pulls him away.
So they've been running this cheap fake, trying to convince people that Biden is totally fine.
But we've got all the videos of it.
This is what they do.
They have this other form of cheap fake, where they translate for Joe Biden, and Chet GPT does this too, it's amazing.
Yo, I asked Chet GPT what True International Pressure was, and it said Joe Biden was trying to say True International Pressure.
How do you know that?
Nobody knows what he was trying to say.
I said, what about Batacaf care?
And it was like, it sounded like he was trying to say better, better health care plans.
And I was like, why are you giving me speculative opinion?
You have no idea what the gibberish meant.
That's a cheap fake.
These media outlets, when, when, when Joe Biden garbles, so Joe Biden comes out and says, we're going to lower taxes on lower working class.
They will write quote, Joe Biden says, you know, they'll write the exact quote.
But when he goes, you know, I gotta tell Kim Jong, uh, Kim Jong, you know, we got, uh, North Korea, you know, the thing.
They'll write, Joe Biden gave stern words to Kim Jong Un.
They won't quote him if he speaks gibberish.
That's cheap fake.
That's what they're doing.
But I will, I will add as an aside, the bigger story here we're talking about is, The rebut over Fox News opining on publicly available video is that the White House and corporate press outlets have accused Fox News of intentionally and deceptively editing videos and publishing them to lie to people and make them think Joe Biden is mentally unfit.
Yo, you're not going to convince people of this.
But they're also going to be entering legal territory because they can get sued over this.
So, I love this though.
Let me read this.
They say, over the past two weeks, the Republican National Committee and major conservative media outlets have amplified several short video clips supposedly showing the 81-year-old president freezing on stage, wandering off, or even pooping his pants.
Wow.
Really?
They showed that?
Thank you, Daily Beast, for letting us know those things happened.
hannah claire brimelow
It is wild that this was something that all kinds of mainstream outlets were showing, but they're like, it's all fake.
And now everyone on the mainstream media has to fall in line and be like, yes, this never happened.
I mean, again, with Obama tugging Joe and then escorting him up, I was listening to MSNBC talk about that and showing a clip of it.
This is a strange stance that the White House has put their allies in the corporate press into.
I think it's kind of funny.
I would love to see Fox News fire back, but I feel as though it might just be yet another angry letter, maybe a stern finger shaking.
I do love this word Trump world.
I just think that would be the most amazing amusement park of all time right up there with Dollywood probably.
It's undeniable that something is going on with Biden, and I think the more they try to say, oh, they're making it up, it's almost like it's incentivizing young voters to Google it themselves and find these video clips, which will live on in infamy thanks to the internet forever.
ian crossland
I think there's something to building this term, cheap fake.
They're trying to create and control narrative, which is obsessively what power hungry regimes try and do is control your narrative and your thoughts.
Deceptively editing video is what that is.
Now to create a new term and try and control people's perception of what they're doing.
It's a very natural thing to edit a video the way you would like people to perceive the video.
And just because there's shadow from one angle didn't mean it wasn't sunny.
I hope those words came out right.
So, I don't like that.
I don't like it.
The word cheap, I think, is one of the funniest words on earth.
I love it.
tim pool
I love it.
The corporate press made up fake news and then Trump took it.
ian crossland
It sounds like deep fake.
tim pool
It's supposed to.
It's supposed to.
ian crossland
But at what point does editing a video become a cheap fake?
tim pool
Anything they do is a cheap fake.
That's from now on.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, that's how I felt when Biden put up that video when he was like, I'm challenging Trump to a debate or whatever this couple weeks ago.
And I heard it first when I was driving.
So it was over NPR.
And it does sound kind of like Biden's being stern.
He's almost speaking at a regular human pace.
But actually, when you watch it, it's got all the jump cuts in it.
And that's the intentional aversion.
Right.
So they're saying, well, we never do this and only bad conservative media.
tim pool
Actually, they do it.
So this is the funny thing.
They came out and they started trying to use the term fake news and Trump and the right appropriated to accuse them of being the fake news.
They lost their minds over it.
Is it a cheap- so what is a deepfake?
A deepfake is when you ask a computer to AI render a fake video or image so you can lie to people.
What is a cheapfake?
When you edit a video that is real to trick and manipulate people.
Okay, well, the video of Joe Biden freezing on stage?
Not edited.
It's literally just the video of him on stage.
We all saw that and said, oh man, he kind of just locked up for about 10 seconds or so.
It's at 7 or 8 seconds when I counted it out.
And, uh, what does it mean?
Well, I don't know, but, you know, he kind of freezes up and then Obama grabs him.
They said, that never happened, you lied, that's a cheap fake.
No, the cheap fake was when you did the up-close shot, the Krasensteins posted this, and then when the camera, right before Biden freezes, the camera switches to this really far away view you can't see.
That was deceptively editing, so you could not tell he froze up.
Camera change right when he freezes?
What's a cheap fake?
As you mentioned, when Biden called out Trump for a debate and there were five jump cuts in 14 seconds.
That's a cheap fake.
They make... So let's break this down.
Joe Biden needed five jump cuts to challenge Trump to a debate.
Meaning, if you actually had a raw, unedited video of him talking, you would not get a coherent idea.
So they make a fake video by splicing these clips together to make it seem like he said a sentence.
When in fact, it took him probably a very long time to get those words out.
That's a cheap fake.
It's a real video, but edited to create the perception that Joe Biden is speaking properly.
unidentified
They make cheap fakes, that's what they do.
kingsley wilson
And a lot of us too, like Americans are watching a lot of these videos live.
I know I certainly am.
We're seeing what's happening and we're being told by the regime, don't believe your lying eyes.
Every every voter knows that Biden does, you know, his best Roomba impression is what people have started calling it when he wanders around stage.
Looks like he's totally lost.
You know, no one's home.
And they see that.
And a lot of, I think, Americans, too, have experienced that with their family members, right?
A lot of people have elderly relatives, perhaps people who do have dementia, and they know what it looks like.
And it looks like President Joe Biden right now.
So that's something that the left, no matter how much spin they try and throw at this, they're not going to be able to change that perception because Americans, thanks to the Internet, are seeing it in real time and they're seeing it unedited.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, and it's not like it just started happening.
I mean, I feel like we've had a bunch of gaffes and sort of lost moments on stage in the past three weeks, but this has been true his entire presidency.
I mean, we could all rattle off our favorite hits of this, right?
Like, I remember one where he was, I believe, at the White House.
There was a long red carpet, and he was obviously supposed to turn at one point, and instead he just kept walking onto the grass, like, got completely lost, and a Secret Service member had to sort of like sheepdog guide him back on course.
It was crazy.
You know, there is a part where you don't want to be dramatic.
You want to assume like, oh, maybe there is an easy explanation.
But when it's happening this consistently, in addition to, you know, the stiff gait, in addition to sort of this change in his voice, in addition to the slurred speech, like, at a certain point, It's too much evidence to ignore and I think that's also true for independent voters.
I think they are the ones who are the most affected by the idea that we are in turbulent times both economically and geopolitically and at the helm is a guy who needs to be let off stage.
Not a good look.
kingsley wilson
Also, now they're saying, you know, it's these cheap fakes.
In 2020, they were saying, oh, President Biden just has a stutter and you shouldn't make fun of people who have stutters.
That's really rude to do.
But if you look at old videos of Biden, that stutter wasn't there.
This type of wandering around, this type of freezing up wasn't there.
He was very cognitively with it.
And now he's not.
The American people can see that as well, especially independent voters.
They can search, you know, videos of Biden when he was in Congress, even when he was vice president.
And it is night and day.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's very different.
ian crossland
We need Kamala Harris.
We need her in.
Put me in, coach.
I'm ready.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, I would not like a Kamala Harris presidency.
ian crossland
It's not even like I want.
It's like these are the rules when the president's mind is gone.
You initiate, put the next commander in because the military needs a commander.
tim pool
Commander's still there.
Obama's perfectly healthy.
ian crossland
I hope he's in command.
I don't know what kind of legal authority has to negotiate on behalf of the president.
tim pool
Dude, Kamala's like the Joker.
Have you ever watched her give a speech?
She's sitting there and she's like, well, how's it going everybody?
unidentified
We've got a big project working on helping these starving children.
tim pool
It's like, why are you laughing, lady?
I'm not kidding.
Someone will ask, be like, there were 17 children that were killed in this horrible accident.
She'll go, well, you know, we're going to do what we have to do to try and get supplies in, but sometimes it's hard.
It's like, she just laughs.
Like her and Hillary Clinton were cackling fiends.
That's how it is, cackling.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like their teleprompter is like, laugh here.
And so they do it, but it feels very unnatural.
And then it's like, get stern.
And they have the similar hand gesture the whole time.
It's very weird.
And also, she's deeply unpopular, right?
Like in terms of inspiring another generation of voters, I don't think she's it.
I don't think that young Democrats look to her and say, this is our gal, even though she is, you know, a woman of color, which they thought was the key to win everything.
ian crossland
I take the unpopular, deeply unpopular, cackling fiend to this creature of the Biden White House.
I can't.
It's too dangerous to have that thing.
I'm sorry, Joe.
To have you in control of the military now is insane.
You already messed it up with Afghanistan.
I cannot imagine you having some sort of debate with Vladimir Putin right now.
It would be sad.
hannah claire brimelow
We're like less than a week away.
ian crossland
He's resigned.
hannah claire brimelow
We're almost a week away from the Trump-Biden debate.
I think that would be very telling to the voters.
ian crossland
If they let that go normal, Trump's going to humiliate him.
It's going to be devastating to Biden's legacy.
And he's got to resign after that.
hannah claire brimelow
We had someone on the show a couple weeks ago say basically that Biden can focus his energy for small bursts of time.
And he was saying maybe he can handle, you know, an hour or two on the debate stage and it'll be OK.
And I have a really hard time Believing that?
Because it seems like in the last couple weeks, especially with the amount of travel he's been doing, he's got these fundraisers going everywhere, that basically he has enough time to get to that point.
It really seems like his energy levels and his focus are not great right now.
On the other hand, if he is somewhat focused and is able to get under Trump's skin, I think the debate could backfire on Trump.
I think Trump has to really push Biden on his record as president, as opposed to answer any questions about Joe Biden is a lich.
Kamala Harris is a cackling fiend.
else. Just it has to be about Biden answering for the consequences of his actions. And I
hope it goes that way. But it's hard to say. Both personalities are well, one personality
is very fiery and one personality, I guess, depends on if the sun is up.
tim pool
Joe Biden is a lich. Kamala Harris is a cackling fiend. I just view them as weird demon
monsters.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Trump is a jester for sure, but jesters were actually widely respected advisors to the kings that would say things that were shocking and offensive to try and keep the perspective in alignment, you know, think outside the box.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, in Shakespearean plays, the Falstaff character, which is typically the clown or jester, some people will stage it as a goofy, very physical comedy or whatever.
In other interpretations, it's sort of a calculated role.
They are able to trick and reveal things in a way that other characters aren't because of their position in the social structure.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
Speaking of cheap fakes, we got one!
No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen.
And he lied.
I can't believe it.
It's in his name.
You know, he said no lie and then he lied.
Something must be wrong.
He says here is a photo of Trump having to hold someone's hand to guide him off stage.
I'm sure this will get just as much coverage as the daily Biden old story gets.
First of all.
When you look at the image, it's very obvious he's holding his son's hand.
He's on a walkway, his son is below the walkway, and he's grabbing his son's hand.
His weight is not shifted in any way to be guided or anything like that.
So as soon as I saw the photo, I was like, he's just grabbing Don Jr.' 's hand as his son.
Like, is he giving a high-five or like a handshake or something?
As it turns out, yeah, quite literally.
The actual footage, here you go.
Here's the actual video.
hannah claire brimelow
I love the walkout.
tim pool
Yeah, we don't need the audio.
There's Trump walking just fine.
ian crossland
In a little squeeze.
tim pool
Right.
He walks by, he's waving.
There's Don Jr., his son.
He grabs his hand, gives him a little tug, like, how's it going, son?
Walks away.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's so brief that you could miss it.
They're implying he had to be guided off.
tim pool
And this is what they do with cheap fakes.
Wow.
This guy, Brian Tyler Cohen, this, who, BTC, you know, he was, I think he used to, did he used to work for MSNBC or something?
Podcast covering top stories and interviews with the biggest names in politics.
This is what they do.
They accuse the, we have raw footage from a press pool showing Biden.
Let me explain this ceremony.
They're at the G7.
They're in Italy.
Paratroopers land.
All of the G7 leaders are looking at this one guy, clearly there as a group, for some reason, other press conference, press event, be on camera.
Biden, without prompt, for no reason, turns around and then starts walking away towards a different group of people.
The Italian Prime Minister, then, they all start going like this, looking around, walking over to him.
The group starts spreading around.
She grabs him and pulls him back to go back to the press.
We all saw that happen.
We're like, oh, Grandpa Joe's wandering off again.
The media then goes, Biden was actually just greeting other paratroopers and he was with a group for a scheduled press event and wandered off to greet random people.
He has no idea what's going on.
That's on video.
Then you get Brian Tyler Cohen doing this because these people are liars.
hannah claire brimelow
I also like this because if someone else had posted it, it's like, look at this father-son relationship.
Trump's on stage, his son's supporting him.
They have this moment where they're like, hey, how you doing?
You're doing a great job.
It's actually sort of a nice moment.
And instead, the left can't see happy families.
So they're like, well, this clearly means that he's weak and old and this whatever.
Don't look at our guy too closely.
It's very, very weird.
tim pool
Well, it's a rock and a hard place for Joe, because his son's facing prison time.
And he can pardon his son, and then make it look like he's a crime family who's getting his son off the hook.
Or he can sacrifice his son, and it looks like a bad dad.
It's tough, right?
What should he do in that situation?
Would you pardon your kid?
Honest question.
Would you pardon your son if they're on this gun?
Me?
unidentified
I would.
tim pool
No.
kingsley wilson
Not if they were Hunter.
I think he needs that.
tim pool
You know how they say, like, the best thing for, like— I would because the gun law is unconstitutional.
And I'd come out outright and say, but Biden can't do that because he's not a two-way guy.
He's a gun control guy.
See, me, it's easy.
I'm a two-way guy.
I'd be like, ain't no way you're charging my kid because he incriminated himself.
That's a violation of the Constitution.
And these forms are BS anyway.
Pardon in two seconds.
Try me.
ian crossland
Can you pardon some of the crime, the gun-related stuff, but let him go see damage for the tax evasion?
tim pool
That's a totally different charge.
ian crossland
So you could pardon for one charge, but not all, whatever?
tim pool
He hasn't even gone to trial for the tax stuff.
ian crossland
You could pardon Hunter, blanket, for everything he ever did.
Or you could pick a charge and pardon that.
tim pool
He hasn't gone to trial for the tax stuff yet.
We're just asking.
hannah claire brimelow
You're saying, like, if he was convicted of the track stuff as well, could you pardon him?
ian crossland
Assuming he was convicted of multiple charges, you could pardon one of them?
tim pool
Right.
I mean, a pardon doesn't mean any crime you've ever committed has been absolved.
ian crossland
But it could, as far as I can tell.
You could do a blanket pardon of someone.
tim pool
Right, you specify what the crimes are in line with, and there's ways to word it where it can be extremely broad, if they really wanted to.
But, you know, the tech stuff is interesting.
I would say right now, if I was Joe, I'd come out right now and be like, pardon?
Nah, you're not getting gun charges.
I ain't playing that game.
Abolish the ATF.
ian crossland
You'd have to pardon everybody that violated that crime, though.
You'd have to find them all and give them all pardons.
tim pool
Oh, bro, I will tell you, if I was president, I would.
I would be like, get me a list of anyone who's ever been charged solely and for no other reason than lying on Form 4473, and I will just start rubber stamping pardons.
unidentified
Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.
ian crossland
Dude, Trump should pardon.
That should be part of his campaign.
I don't know how tight he wants to get with Hunter, but if he's like, I'm going to pardon that because those crimes are unjust.
It's not personal.
tim pool
Trump should come out right now.
I don't know if Trump should do this, I shouldn't say this, but if it were me, one of the things I'd campaign on is I will pardon every single person who has been arrested on gun charges at the federal level.
If you're a citizen of this country, and there's got to be a review, it's not going to be overnight, you were charged with possession of or distribution of guns depending on What the circumstances were, because some people might take plea agreements.
They might have done something violent and then said, I'll plea to just the gun charge.
So, after review, if you were like supplying guns to a gang conflict, no pardon for you.
I'm talking about if you're a guy who bought a short-barreled rifle with a suppressor and you didn't go through the NFA, that's a pardon.
Stamp.
Out the door.
Out the door.
Trump should say that.
Trump should create a, if I were Trump, this is what he should do, I will create a pardon review panel that will begin looking at all federal criminal cases and we will begin the process of parting everyone who was convicted of non-violent offenses that did not contribute to violence.
So, federal level pot charges, non-violent, no violent circumstances, a guy at the federal level was driving with a car with pot in it and they pulled him over and they caught him, rubber stamp, you're out the door.
Gun charges?
Oh, that's the easy one.
Don't care what they think, rubber stamp, out the door.
hannah claire brimelow
It's really interesting to me that Hunter Biden's tax trial comes up in September, right?
Because I think you're right.
These like 2A charges are really passed to people, people really strongly.
And, you know, I don't know that it behooves Trump to specifically speak out on what he's going to do until we're a little bit closer to the election.
On the other hand, It's not like this is the only thing Hunter Biden is chasing.
He is the first child of a sitting president to be tried in this manner, but this is just his first rodeo.
He owes $1.4 million in taxes, and I don't know that I believe in taxes.
On the other hand, interesting that this one guy has so many issues in so many different states.
tim pool
What if Trump said, like right now at a rally, I'm going to pardon anyone who is convicted on tax charges of any kind?
hannah claire brimelow
It'd be fascinating, right?
tim pool
I mean, because they're all non-violent, like assuming non-violent, like if there's like Al Capone or something, okay, no.
But if it's just like tax fraud, tax evasion, whatever, it's like rubber stamp, nope, no tax crimes anymore, you're all getting blanket pardon.
I can't see there being a downside to that.
Because regular people are going to be like, we don't like taxes.
At all.
And then you're going to have some dude's going to be in jail for tax evasion and his family's going to be like, we're voting for him, he's getting our husband or boyfriend or dad or whatever out of jail.
hannah claire brimelow
The only downside I could see, possibly, is just you have to already know exactly how you're going to execute this.
Because if you promise something like that and then you don't deliver, it's really bad.
And I know he would only be able to serve for four more years, but in terms of like the legacy of the political movement he's leading, it would be not good to become the representation of false promises on really significant releases from prison.
Because you're right, like it could change someone's life if you are on, you know, very minor tax charges but you're incarcerated.
The release of your father, someone who could potentially be contributing to the household, anyone suffering from the weight of inflation, like having another person to help support your family is really key.
And so the only downside would be if you make promises so big you can't keep them.
But I think there's enough time where Trump and whoever is he's interested in staffing
could put this together and deliver the plan in a way that really, really excites voters.
ian crossland
You get people that have like minor tax charges, then you actually free them up to create revenue.
Then you can actually then tax them for real rather than make them pay money for them to
be in a jail cell.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, exactly.
The taxpayers aren't paying for them to be housed and fed and all stuff.
ian crossland
I think that this age is a time when global people, global interests, whatever you want
to call this machine that's trying to create this world order, they're going to use the
people in the United States as like pawns to get your emotions to go and behave a certain
way because of how I feel about that guy.
So like Hunter Biden, maybe your emotional fervor kicks on, you're like, I want him to feel punishment, because of what that means to me personally.
But like, they'll use that to set up situations where you'll do something that you think is not righteous to get someone out of vengeance.
And then you'll create a precedent for that thing to be done again and again and again.
Be careful with your persecution eyes right now if you end up persecuting someone because you don't like them, because that can be reciprocated and used again and again.
We gotta be real careful.
That's why I'm into pardons.
I'm doing something unexpected, like, oh wow, we're really gonna stop going at each other for a minute?
tim pool
And that'll give us a chance to, like, cool down and redesign this global... Trump should be like, I'm gonna prosecute everyone who committed crimes in federal government, and I'm going to pardon everyone else.
ian crossland
I would be open to it.
tim pool
So what we'll do is we walk everyone in the prisons out and walk them in.
ian crossland
If it was so easy.
If you could just flip a switch and everything.
I don't know, but I think that the systems create corruption.
It's a big part of the problem.
So we could get rid of all these people that have done the bad thing.
You put all these new people into those systems, they're going to do a bad thing again.
tim pool
Justin Timberlake got arrested for a DUI, I guess.
And that's the news.
And apparently he didn't want to get a breathalyzer.
I don't know a lot about the story, but it's just like, why would a dude so wealthy and successful even bother with that stuff?
It's because people with power just do what people with power want to do.
They want to do whatever they want.
You'd be like, oh, I can't believe that guy would do that.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
When people get power, they're like, I can do that.
That's the point.
I mean, take a look at how we handle speeding tickets.
If you're worth a billion dollars, you do not care about speeding.
Not only that, you'll get a driver.
You'll get a driver, you put him in there, and you'll be like, I'm paying you six figures.
I want you to go double the limit.
He's gonna be like, I get pulled over, and he'll be like, I'll pay for any of your legal troubles.
You got nothing to worry about.
And the guy goes, okay.
They do, I think it's like in Switzerland.
I could be wrong.
It's one of these countries in Europe.
Your speeding tickets are a percentage of your income.
Yeah, so if you're making $10,000,000 a year, you'll get like a $100,000 ticket.
You're going to be like... In Chicago at the Cubs games, people would do this.
They probably still do this.
They double park.
They park illegally.
They park in front of fire hydrants because the cost of the ticket or the damage to the car or the towing is cheaper than finding parking for the game.
So they're like, usually they don't tow you because there's too many cars that do it.
I'd walk outside my apartment, and there'd be like eight or so cars on my block, double parked, blocking us in with their blinkers on.
And they'd walk to the game.
Because there's so many, the tow companies struggle to get all of them.
So people are like, I'll probably be fine if I park on this street.
And then we actually had a car towed once.
We were like, dude, it's blocking two of our cars.
But the average person, oh, I'll take the $100 parking ticket.
It's paid parking.
That's how it works.
So when people have power, That's what happens when they get in office.
So we're wondering, why are they doing all these things?
Why are they trying to arrest Trump?
Dude, it's like some dude won the lottery, and the government came and said, we want to take the money away from you, and they're thinking, I could use this money to stop that from happening.
The issue is, they have supreme power, right?
If you win a million bucks in the lottery, you don't got more money or resources than the government, so you lose.
And you go, okay, I can't win this fight.
The people in the Democratic Party, at the state level and the federal level, have access to the highest level of law enforcement.
Nothing supersedes this.
So their attitude is, we don't want to give this up.
We won.
We won the lottery.
Just start arresting them all.
No one can stop us.
So they will.
This is a fact.
If there was no law enforcement for taxation, nobody would pay taxes.
No question.
It is only through the threat of force, violence, and arrest do people pay taxes.
The people who are in the highest seats of government have no one to worry about.
So they're thinking, as long as we win in November, we can do whatever we want.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's sad.
I think that's one of the reasons that Americans feel so disenchanted with our nation right now, which is also sad, right?
I think that people feel as though no matter how hard they try, if they follow the rules or they don't follow the rules, ultimately powerful people are not working for their best interests and are often looking to capitalize off their suffering.
I don't want to live in a country where that's the theme, right, when we have to do something to change that.
ian crossland
There's different levels of corrupted power.
There's the, do you know who I am?
I saw that Drake was at a party that he didn't get invited to and they're like, who are you?
hannah claire brimelow
Reese Witherspoon said that when she was getting arrested for a DUI one time with her husband.
ian crossland
Oh, that just like nails on a chalkboard.
And then Drake was like, do you know who I am?
I'm like, oh my God, that kind of power corruption where you actually think your body's worth more than other bodies.
tim pool
You know why they're saying that?
It's a threat.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a sort of like sub-subtle threat of like, can you imagine the humiliation you're going to face if you don't let me do whatever I want to do?
tim pool
It's not humiliation.
It's, you are going to be so inundated with death threats, your insurance companies are going to cancel, your venue will get shut down.
ian crossland
All my people, you're picking a fight with all my people too, do you even know who I am?
But then the other one is like the utilitarian power Crazy corruption where you just see people as ants, as like pebbles to be moved around in a pile to better organize the weight of the system.
And you're so detached from the plea, the common man.
That's another kind of inept, like inevitable corruption, maybe being separated from the system you're trying to create or work on.
It just leads to, you know, malfeasance because you don't understand the system because you're separate from it.
hannah claire brimelow
I think there is a problem where we have a justice system where it's a huge roll of the dice.
And depending on your circumstances and who you – like what judge you appear in front of, if you get a sympathetic jury, if you're being tried in a state that's – or in an area that's very liberal when you're conservative or vice – like whatever, that it's potentially destroying your life when you could have been a productive citizen.
I think there is a question of like – I think we need law and order and I think that there are people who must be locked up.
They are, you know, threats to the people around them.
On the other hand, you know, we need a system that separates people who can bounce back from a minor offense and become healthy, productive members of our society rather than being tagged in a way that ultimately means they can never recover from it.
This is one of the challenges that I think Democrats talk about but don't actually do enough for.
They'll say like, oh, We're campaigning for votes for felons or we're doing whatever.
But also, as we have seen with their treatment of Trump, they are the first people to use judicial pressure to ruin someone's life.
It seems horrible to me.
tim pool
Well, with that in mind, let's jump to the story.
We got a tweet from ALX.
Joy Behar is worried Trump will pull Maddow and The View off the air.
You know, I saw that meme.
I can't remember who said it.
It was Aaron McIntyre.
He said, Lord, give me the Trump the left has created in their delusional minds.
So here's the clip.
Let's play it.
joy behar
So you said recently that you thought that you, as an outspoken critic, could be a target yourself.
Some people think that sounds overdramatic, but I'm right there with you.
I think that he is so vindictive that he will go after, however he has to, through the IRS maybe, or even through sponsors to get us off the air maybe, or you.
How seriously should we be taking that?
unidentified
Well, so I was asked, am I worried about me?
And my answer was, I'm worried about all of us.
I'm no more worried about me than I am worried about everybody in the country.
I think it's bad to have somebody saying, give me as much power as you can in this country so I can use it to go after other Americans.
So I can use it to go after these subhuman internal enemies and I'll destroy them.
Like, that's just not a good system for anybody.
And I don't think anybody's safe if that's the sort of basis on which he wants to get more power.
joy behar
Well, remember when Nixon had an enemies list?
That was a proud moment for a lot of people if they were on the enemies list.
Maybe we need to turn it around like that.
unidentified
Well, I don't, I mean, I think that if he decides that he's going to go after you or me or anybody who's well known, you know, we have resources, we'll likely be fine.
But I think there's a pattern where he picks out individual people And effectively terrorizes them.
I mean, there's Stormy Daniels wearing a bulletproof vest to get into the courthouse.
joy behar
Once you have political violence, you have fascism following that.
tim pool
So Stormy Daniels chose to be in this space, but I just want to point out how they're telling on themselves.
The things they are doing, they're like, uh-oh, Trump might do what we do.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, Trump might do the exact things that we have done.
I don't know, let's say to Mike Lindell, who had all his products pulled out of stores, or, I don't know, Donald Trump, who's been the target of specific persecution.
tim pool
Or when she mentions the little guy, like, we have razors, we'll be fine.
Yeah, when the big tech companies, for leftist reasons, went after all of these smaller Trump-supporting accounts.
kingsley wilson
Or the Gen Sixers.
The list could go on.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy to me.
But what's interesting to me is it feels like Joy Baird has no idea.
She's like, it hadn't even occurred to her that the things that she is describing are things that they are actually doing.
Whereas Rachel Maddow feels like she's like, well, you know, as these are strategies we have observed, they might turn them on us.
And it makes me think that there is sort of a level of sheep-minded Democratic voter that is like, no, but like when we're doing it or this stuff is different because it's for justice and Those people are bad and she's like throwing out political violence because, you know, 2020 was marked by left-wing rioters that destroyed cities, but that is not political violence to her?
It's very weird.
Whereas Rachel Maddow knows this is something that's happening and that's why she's fearful of it.
She is at least- is appearingly cognizant of the fact that she is describing things that her side, so to speak, is actively already doing.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, and I mean, I think clips like this have started to become more common in the past two weeks.
I honestly think this is them sweating.
They see that we're seeing through the lies.
They know what's coming and they're fearful of it and they're trying their best to, you know, position themselves and defend from attacks and spin.
But at the end of the day, I think they know that MAGA is an unstoppable force and it's a popular one and they're up against a real fight and they're freaking out because their lies are about to come crumbling down.
ian crossland
Yeah, I thought it was interesting when Joy was talking about a list.
She said, oh yeah, Nixon had lists of people that maybe we should go ahead and do that before they do that to us.
tim pool
She's saying Nixon had an enemies list and it was like honorable to be on it.
So maybe we should consider it being a privilege and an honor to be deemed an enemy.
ian crossland
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Rather, she's not saying to create an enemies list.
tim pool
No, they already got it.
hannah claire brimelow
I just also think there's a level of narcissism.
Like, the first thing Trump is going to do, his top priority is getting the view off the air.
ian crossland
He never took a show off the air, as far as I know, when he was president.
hannah claire brimelow
No, he's not going to take a show off the air.
ian crossland
He never shut a radio station down, not like Zelensky did.
He never...
Never got, did he get anybody fired from their role in the news industry?
I don't think he got one person fired.
hannah claire brimelow
As far as I know, but we do know that that reporter from the Tennessee Star who was publishing the manifesto, he's facing legal retribution for that.
ian crossland
For what?
hannah claire brimelow
He was publishing Audrey Hale's manifesto, and she's the shooter from the Christian school shooting, Air Covenant School, and he is now facing I think what Don would do, Donald Trump, is he would go personal at people he didn't like.
ian crossland
He wouldn't be like, from the power invested in me, I'm stripping you of your wealth and putting you in prison.
He would just be like, you're fat.
Deal with it.
But the problem is, when he became president, he had all these people behind him, this new crowd of, like, sycophants that were willing to, like, live and die by the words, hypothetically, theoretically, or whatever, metaphorically.
And so when he would insult people, there's this armada of people that would come and insult the person, in addition, that he didn't have before he ran for president, when he went from popularity one to a hundred magnitudes, you know, a hundred times more popular.
So that, I think, When people criticized his bullying tactics or his going to people one-on-one, it became kind of spiraled out of his control when he would insult someone.
It wasn't just like a one-on-one anymore.
So I see why people are concerned with that behavior, but he didn't exhibit it that much.
Like Rosie O'Donnell, he would duke it out with her.
tim pool
But that was only pre-2016.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was real early in his career as a politician.
He didn't really do it.
Did he do it after he was president a little bit?
Other people, he didn't go too hard.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't I don't watch his stuff, but he wasn't like too hard in the paint with individuals.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, the question is, does Joy Bear think that Biden has the power to be able to, you know?
And, I mean, if Tucker Carlson was still on Fox or, you know, anyone else, like, could he shut down a station that's privately owned?
Does she think that's how this works?
Or she thinks that Trump is suddenly going to invent powers that Biden doesn't already have?
Like, it's so illogical because it's ultimately deeply emotional.
Because again, and I say this I feel like too often but I'm gonna be a broken record here, all of this is just fear-mongering, right?
Democrats don't have anything positive to run on so they have to run on fear-mongering and compliance.
They need their voters and their base to be so scared that they will leave their houses and go to the polls.
ian crossland
I think that they shut down Parler.
I don't know exactly what the order of requests was.
Was it on Amazon Web Service?
Parler was hosting on Amazon Web Service, and then the administration came in and was like, we don't like what's happening on Parler, so pull it.
And Amazon was like, we'll pull it because we don't want to get screwed over by the U.S.
government.
So they colluded with the U.S.
government.
I don't know who exactly, but this is the story I've been told.
Biden overseeing an administration that shuts down a media company.
That's the fear of what Trump is going to do to the view.
It's like what Biden did to Parler.
So you're staring in the mirror, it's looking right at you guys, Joy and Rachel, and if you're pretending not to see it, that's a painful way to live.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not super familiar with what's happening with Parler, but again, I know that there are all kinds of federal and state-level agencies that go after groups that discuss things that make left-wing politicians uncomfortable.
And so I think that this is the reality that we're in.
Like, they know this is already happening and they're trying to say, oh, it's the other side.
Like, it bothers me so much when – so they had that statement that the Kamala Harris – or I said the Kamala Harris campaign when it's really the Biden-Harris campaign.
released after Trump was convicted in New York.
And they were like, well, he really is a felon, and this, that, and the other.
But the other side is talking about political violence.
I have never, ever heard of that.
I don't know what they're talking about.
But always, always, always the left is warning us that apparently conservatives are planning political
violence.
Doesn't that seem like they are trying to scare their own face to be ready to, I don't know, perpetrate their own political violence?
It seems crazy to me.
I get tired of the fear mongering because I think, again, it is damaging long term to the American public psyche.
I think it's bad for Americans to live in fear and I think they should be encouraged by a leadership that says, like, we are able to work through our differences and we are able to come to compromise when we have a strong culture that we all believe in and participate in.
And that's not the message that the Democratic Party sends.
ian crossland
And the fear, living in fear, it's bad for people's cortisol, their endocrine systems
are all messed up, their decision making is terrible.
But also when there's something that comes along that's actually legitimately reasonable
to be afraid of, like nuclear war with Russia or something, people are so muted and desensitized
to the fear.
hannah claire brimelow
You're unable to weigh what's really dangerous.
You also aren't able to, like, build community, right?
If you think your neighbor is out to get you because they fly the American flag and you fly the pride flag, then you are probably always driving down the street thinking, they're bad, they're judging me, this, that, and the other.
Like, you are living in a way that does not draw you to other people.
And I think that's really destructive.
I don't know how you feel about this.
If you're hoping that Joy Bear is going to get pulled from the air or if you're, you know, thinking that perhaps it's Biden who's perpetrating this.
tim pool
Lord, give me the Trump they've made up in their delusional minds.
kingsley wilson
That's how I feel.
I mean, like, I was already going to vote for Trump, but, like, if he's going to get rid of The View, that's going to make me run to the polls on November 5th.
tim pool
To be fair, I think The View's getting rid of themselves.
Like, all these networks are just... They're dying out.
Yeah, they don't know what...
They're addicted to their audience, but their audience is dramatically changing, and so they don't have to do.
ian crossland
They should have Trump on weekly.
unidentified
That would be ratings gold for them.
kingsley wilson
I mean, they should honestly be thanking him even now.
He provides the entire content for their, I think, three hour long show.
It's just Trump talk all day long.
ian crossland
It'd be so great.
Even if he was president, and he went on there and just talked policy, and they're just yelling at him to shut up, and he's like, no, you listen to me!
Like, without it becoming cruel, that'd be so entertaining.
kingsley wilson
Oh, it'd be amazing television.
ian crossland
They all kind of know each other.
They're all like, Joy and Don are like old, broken New York.
kingsley wilson
Not really broken, but... That's the funny thing.
These people, like Whoopi Goldberg, they all used to fawn over President Trump.
They loved him.
He was a Hollywood icon.
But now, you know, he runs for president, puts America first, and they hate him.
tim pool
All right, let's jump to this story from the Postmillennial.
House GOP moves to reverse J6 committee subpoena against Trump advisers days before Steve Bannon is set to report to prison.
So this is Thomas Massey and Matt Gaetz.
I believe Marjorie Taylor Greene has also signed on.
This is what Matt Gaetz laid out on this show.
He said, basically, you nullify those subpoenas because they control the House, and they can, and then there's no convictions.
So this is GOP Rep.
Eric Burleson, Thomas Massey, and others in the House have co-sponsored a resolution to rescind subpoenas from the J6 committee that were brought against Steve Bannon, Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino, and Peter Navarro.
This would also immediately remove the contempt of Congress convictions, as if there were no subpoenas, there would be no contempt.
Bannon is required to report to prison to begin his four-month sentence July 1st.
Quote, it's past time for the House of Representatives to take action to begin undoing the harm that was caused by the illegitimate January 6th committee, Rep Burleson said in a press release.
This is the right thing to do, and I hope all members of the House will join me in this effort.
Alright, I'm not super confident, but I don't see why this would not pass.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, I think it absolutely should pass.
I think it's much needed support.
We saw Garland, you know, just months ago on tape, the Attorney General of the United States say that he can defy and ignore congressional subpoenas that he doesn't agree with.
So there is an obvious double standard here and two-tiered system of enforcement.
If you're a conservative like Steve Bannon or, you know, Peter Navarro, and you defy an illegitimate, that's another Crucial point, I think, that people need to realize the January 6th committee is not a legitimate committee.
It had no authority to send subpoenas.
It didn't have, you know, a ranking minority member.
There are a lot of other issues with it.
So it didn't have any authority to send these subpoenas in the first place.
But when Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro defied those, They weren't doing anything wrong, and for them to be held accountable for that, but not Merrick Garland, I think it leaves the American voter totally confused, and they're able to see through it, and they're able to see that this is just weaponization of the judicial system.
hannah claire brimelow
I like this because it is action, right?
I think it's an interesting – rather than saying like, oh, darn, they've defeated us and I guess you got to keep appealing or whatever, like it is the Congress saying like we have a way to do something about this.
They do send a lot of strong willed letters but in this case it seems like they are moving forward in a way that could help people that are being unfairly targeted and punished in my opinion.
ian crossland
They say they're very specific that the committee, this January 6th committee, was operating without a ranking minority leader, which you mentioned Kingsley.
That's not customary for the committees.
I don't know if that might actually disqualify them from being able to order subpoenas.
And also that the Republicans on board were Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, who were not supported by the GOP at the time.
unidentified
But they were just put there by Nancy Pelosi.
ian crossland
So, I don't know if this operating without a ranking minority leader is enough on its face.
Matt said it was.
I'm pretty sure he was saying that it was.
tim pool
Honestly, I don't know that it matters.
The House can pass it.
It's the House.
They can just say, we do.
Because we vote.
There are subpoenas.
We say no.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Gone.
ian crossland
So if the House votes to rescind the subpoenas, it doesn't go to the Senate?
That's it?
tim pool
Well, because this is a House action.
It's only into itself.
They're not passing a law.
The House subpoenaed, the Justice Committee subpoenaed these people, and the House is now going to say, no, we're doing away with those.
And they should.
But I'm wondering, do you think Republicans will vote for it, or they'll say no?
kingsley wilson
I think it'll definitely be a very clarifying vote.
We'll get to see, you know, who is willing to put their money where their mouth is.
We see a lot of people on the campaign trail talk about the weaponization of the justice system and they give lip service to what's happening to Trump, what's happening to Steve Bannon.
But if we put this to a vote, we're going to actually see which members believe what they're saying and are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
So I hope to see that they're all the patriots they claim to be.
Steve Bannon is someone who is a wonderful America First hero.
I think he is really the architect of the Trump movement, and he's someone that we need to have in the ring as we approach November 5th.
Absolutely.
And that is why they're trying to take him out, right?
They know that he is instrumental in this presidential campaign cycle and they want to put him on the sidelines.
It's been so obvious that that's, you know, the entire game for them.
That's why they're taking out conservative lawyers.
They don't want to have a DOJ that's full of competent attorneys.
So they're going after the ones that we do have.
They're just trying to make sure that basically our entire bench is wiped out so that we have no personnel if we do win in November.
ian crossland
What is the name of this resolution?
Is there a name for it?
tim pool
I don't know that it has a name, does it?
ian crossland
Sorry, Hannah-Claire, what were you about to say?
tim pool
Probably does.
They always do, don't they?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know if they included the name here.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that that is sort of the crisis mode activity of government right now.
And I think it almost speaks to how strongly, how strong Trump is perceived by people, especially entrenched bureaucrats, because they're saying we need to make it difficult for them to start off on a strong foot, right?
If going into 2025 these agencies are already staffed by confident conservative people who have American First values, then it'll be much easier to get things going.
If you have to spend the first couple months, you know, three months weeding everyone out, readjusting it, Fixing staffing issues, then you are starting three months behind.
You know, a lot of presidencies have to do it.
It's not crippling, necessarily, but it's a delay.
And it's sort of like saying, well, we don't think we'll be in positions of power come January 2025.
kingsley wilson
Definitely, and I think this is also what they're doing to Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, and others.
I think it's also a warning sign from the regime to other conservatives, right?
This is what happens if you defy us, and they're trying to kind of scare us into submission.
So I think all of us, you know, From the January 6th attendee who's being harassed to, you know, Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro have to be willing to continually defy the system and, you know, not submit and not be afraid of the crushing weight that it can exact on you.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that the American people watch Congress closely enough to feel like actions like this are a good sign?
Or is it all sort of, you know, drama within an already kind of enclosed circle?
kingsley wilson
I think they pay attention, and I think that they want to see some action.
Like you were saying, you know, there's been a lot of strongly worded letters, stern finger shakings, but there really hasn't been any action from the GOP.
And I think it's been frustrating for voters, right?
Because we have had the House, the 118th Congress hasn't really sent any subpoenas.
They haven't prosecuted people.
They haven't, you know, done anything I think that the American people thought they
were going to do. We thought when we set up the weaponization committee that we were going to have, you
know, a new church committee, that we were going to really go after these
government bureaucrats, that we were going to defund these woke and weaponized agencies. And now the American people
with, you know, just a few months left in this Congress are seeing
that that hasn't happened, and they're demanding action. So I think
something like this is going to go a long way for voters who just want to see the GOP put up some sort of fight.
Because as I was saying, we've been kind of all talk, no walk. And
voters are really frustrated with that, and they see through it. I
think we used to, pre-Trump, politicians used to be able to talk nice, and we didn't really think much of it. But now
Trump has exposed Both left and right, how the system works, how politicians sell out.
They tell you one thing, they get to DC vote the other way.
And people post-Trump are really just available.
They're aware of that.
And they're done with these kind of, you know, just polished politicians that give them the right talking points, but then don't actually do the votes that they need to be making.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I liked about Tommy Tumerville.
He didn't hold on any military appointments and promotions because of the DOD's policy regarding, you know, paying for people's travel when they're leaving, you know, whatever state they're stationed in to go get an abortion.
And he was like, I don't believe in this.
They should not be involved.
That is ultimately funding abortion.
And it made me laugh because everyone would be like, he is holding up hundreds of nominations, which he was.
On the other hand, actually, they always could have called the votes to the floor.
It would have just gone more slowly.
If they had wanted to spend a little extra time working, they could have kept moving promotions and appointments along.
And so they allowed this blockade to happen because ultimately they didn't want to have to compromise on abortion.
He said, you know, if we hold a vote to codify this into law, to rules like, then I'll drop
my thing.
But they never called it to the floor.
They didn't continue with appointments.
And instead he single-handedly held up one of these things and became a huge enemy for
leftists over this issue.
And I always liked it because it was like, oh, you are protesting in a way that I think
is effective.
I like this bill because we should take action, especially if there are easy ways.
If the judicial system is, you know, unfairly treating people because of this subpoena,
then doing something about it on the congressional side is perfect.
I wish that we saw this kind of creative movement more often with Republican lawmakers.
tim pool
I mean, to be honest, I don't even know how creative it is.
It seems kind of basic, but I'm glad they're doing it.
hannah claire brimelow
It seems basic, but they're doing it.
I have nothing to say other than like, well, and like, they could have done this a little while ago, right?
tim pool
Before Peter Navarro went to prison.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Eventually someone stepped up and thought of it.
ian crossland
If rescinding the committee's ability to issue subpoenas in general, would that then negatively impact other people that they'd subpoenaed?
Would they have to, like, start removing testimony, letting people out of prison?
unidentified
I think once things are in record, that's— Well, just Navarro, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Navarro's the only one who's incarcerated right now.
There's obviously other people who hang— Three other people, I think?
tim pool
Incarcerated?
ian crossland
No, no, no.
Three other people that are gonna be affected by this.
tim pool
Right.
And Bannon's gotta go to prison in a couple weeks.
ian crossland
Yeah, if this doesn't get rescinded, yeah.
tim pool
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
So, again, maybe it would have been nice if we came up with this idea a couple months ago.
Peter Navarro was on the show shortly before he had to.
He was in the middle of his final appeal, I think.
And I wish we had come up with this then.
But, you know, better late than never.
And I hope he sees some sort of restitution for it.
tim pool
Let's get a subpoena for this.
We got this story from the Post Millennial.
Secret Service destroyed video evidence of Biden's dog attacking agent.
White House tours stop to clean up the blood.
Yikes.
unidentified
Who is this?
tim pool
Commander Biden?
Is that his name?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Commander.
And he had, like, he bit a bunch of people apparently, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, he's bitten, like, he has, I think, almost 30 bite records.
And to be totally clear, I do not hold this against the dog.
I hold it against the Biden family for having a dog in an environment where it is not thriving.
tim pool
I mean, sometimes you get bad dogs, right?
And I don't know what the appropriate response is for a dog that bites a whole lot, a muzzle.
I think usually what most jurisdictions do is if a dog bites multiple times, they put it down.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
They've had two dogs that have had this problem in the White House.
It's not, I mean, maybe they got two dogs back-to-back or maybe German Shepherds are a specific breed that have qualities for protection and in this environment it's not being trained to cue for protective, you know, behaviors.
Like, this is not rocket science.
The Obamas had what, like a Labradoodle?
They had like a tiny fluffy dog.
Maybe this is not the place to have You know, I just gotta point out something weird.
tim pool
Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the outlet that the agency abides by law for federal records retention, a schedule that defines when certain types of records can be archived, destroyed, etc.
However, Guglielmi did not have direct knowledge of the video in question, according to a statement.
You know this guy has popped up a lot.
Guglielmi.
hannah claire brimelow
He's a familiar name.
tim pool
Wasn't he the spokesperson in the Jesse Smollett case too?
hannah claire brimelow
Let me look.
kingsley wilson
I swear there's like- That would be interesting.
tim pool
He is.
There's a couple other stories where he's just been like the spokesman for these different law enforcement agencies when these stories come up.
So I don't know.
But I can say, you know, the Biden dog was biting people and they reportedly destroyed all the evidence.
ian crossland
When was this?
This is recent?
tim pool
This was a couple years ago, wasn't it?
A year ago.
Okay.
2023.
I'm also curious about like what happened with Joe hurting his leg.
hannah claire brimelow
It says Anthony Guglielmi, is that how you say his last name?
tim pool
Guglielmi.
hannah claire brimelow
The Chicago Police Department spokesperson.
tim pool
He had a bunch of other jobs too.
You can look up his records.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
He obviously has some sort of law enforcement PR thing where he's getting shifted around.
tim pool
But he pops up at all the biggest stories.
Yeah.
So, you know, remember when Biden hurt his foot and he was like, oh, the dog... In the shower?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What happened with that?
Like the dog?
He was fighting the dog or something?
hannah claire brimelow
He said he like fell over the dog or something.
tim pool
And like the dog was in the bathroom?
He was getting out of the shower and tripping the dog?
Why was the dog in the bathroom?
ian crossland
The dog was... I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we know that Biden has weird boundary issues, so... Yeah, I guess he left the door open.
ian crossland
Occam's Razor says he left the door open.
tim pool
That's not unreasonable, I guess.
He's an old man who lives with just his wife.
He has the door open when he's showering.
hannah claire brimelow
And some people's dogs will be like, no, but I have to be near you.
It could be normal stuff.
The bite issues, because what I remember is they had an older German Shepherd when they moved in, and they had a younger one.
And the older one passed very sad, you know, long life.
The younger one always had bite issues.
ian crossland
You're talking about Commander?
hannah claire brimelow
Uh, let me double check, but I think it's Commander.
Uh, yeah, because I have on Scanner News that Dog- Commander was involved in his 11th bite incident in, uh, September of last year.
And so this is an ongoing issue, but if I'm- They had to, yes, they had to rehome their previous dog, Major, after he bit a bunch of people.
Because this is, they had their older dog, Major, move into the White House.
Major bit people.
They would send it back to Delaware for trainings or whatever else.
Like, you have to do something.
And then eventually they rehomed Major with family friends.
And then they got this new German Shepherd puppy that they named Commander.
Now Commander also has bite issues.
And again, I go back to Maybe they should switch breeds.
Maybe they need a lab.
Maybe they need a dog that isn't often used in police service for protection.
Like, why are we doing this to these dogs?
Obviously, this environment is not good for them.
Or you guys aren't able to effectively train and manage your dogs.
Either way, this is a situation they keep creating.
And I feel bad for these Secret Service members who are probably being told, like, do not talk about this.
No one talk about these bites.
We cannot make the Bidens look like bad German Shepherd owners.
ian crossland
Yeah, they're doing it for optics, I think.
They want a big, strong dog with the name Commander so that we—actually, it looks like we have a Commander in the White House, which is sad as hell.
But then the other observation is that the guy can't lead it.
He can't—I mean, obviously, his brain's not there to raise a child right now.
He can't raise a dog.
He can't raise a German Shepherd, especially.
Those things need massive attention, and they need massive discipline.
And their teeth are so sharp, and they're so big and strong.
You cannot mess with those.
You can't slip.
Luke has one.
You gotta watch that guy, the way he trains that dog.
Like, it's impressive, and it requires daily attention, literally.
hannah claire brimelow
They're great dogs, but they deserve to also be in the correct environment, right?
ian crossland
And they need an owner.
They need a commander.
They need someone in charge of their behavior, or they're gonna go wild and just start smacking at everything.
tim pool
Maybe the dog wasn't judged.
Like, you were trying to figure out who's running Biden?
Maybe it was a dog.
ian crossland
The dog's been in charge the whole time.
tim pool
The dog is the commander-in-chief.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Biden was just there.
He was in the way.
ian crossland
There was a Roman emperor that did that.
Caligula?
tim pool
Did he make his horse a senator or something like that?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that might have been Caligula.
tim pool
There's that town that made the Labrador the mayor.
ian crossland
It's funny stuff.
tim pool
I think that's a good idea.
ian crossland
I think they should get rid of the dog.
I think it's one bite too many.
tim pool
Didn't they already get rid of it?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh.
I think they've rehomed both of them at this point.
They definitely had re—they were like—they have sent Commander back for trainings.
I think ultimately they also rehomed it as well.
tim pool
25 recorded attacks from Commander.
hannah claire brimelow
That's crazy.
And then remember, they had Major before that who also had a series of bites and had to
be— Major and Commander.
So it's like, what, we're pushing at least 30, maybe more bites?
Like, at what point do the Secret Service agents, you know, get together and say, look, we have rights.
You guys can't have a German Shepherd anymore.
You have to have, you know, a Pug or something.
ian crossland
Yeah, what was that?
In Vietnam, if the company commander kept getting guys killed, they'd wake up one night with a grenade in their tent.
I don't know what they would call that, fragging the commander.
It was terrible.
Yeah, that dog bites enough Secret Service agents, they're like, yo, is someone going to take care of this dog?
What the hell?
But I think they should get rid of it.
tim pool
I guess I'm more concerned, I guess, with the destruction of evidence.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Like, is there going to be responsibility for this?
I mean, why did they do it?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, again, like, you pointed out that in other cities, you know, dogs have, like, a two-byte, you know, if that, and then they can be potentially put down, which is really sad.
They're deadly weapons.
What?
ian crossland
They're deadly weapons.
hannah claire brimelow
Or euthanized, is what I'm saying.
ian crossland
I'm sorry to interrupt, but dogs, you treat them like deadly weapons.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure, but in this case, Joe Biden doesn't have to, right?
Even when people that are basically in his employ are in danger, he doesn't have to abide by rules that other people would.
And again, I already talked about Hunter, like, why is this the case?
Why are we allowed to do this?
And why does the American public turn a blind eye to it?
Like, if you love dogs, You look at this story and say, this dog is not in a good environment.
It doesn't deserve to be here.
It's probably stressed out.
It's not being, you know, managed the way it needs to be, whatever.
Also, if you work for the Secret Service, I'm sure you're like, oh my gosh, please do not assign me to the detail wherever commander is because I will probably get bitten and I don't want to deal with that.
It seems like an obvious fix, but for whatever reason, Biden doesn't feel like it's worth doing.
ian crossland
I guess they fixed it.
They got rid of the dog.
They rehomed the dog.
hannah claire brimelow
Eventually.
Yeah.
I think they just have cats now.
ian crossland
Oh, well that's good.
hannah claire brimelow
But the evidence, they're destroying evidence to protect him.
I wonder what else they're doing that for?
What other evidence do you think they're destroying to protect- All of it?
President Biden?
tim pool
Public records, emails, cell phones, you know, they got bleach bit for that.
I have to imagine, you know, when Hillary Clinton destroyed all those emails, it's not like it's the first time it's ever happened or the last.
It's just the one you know about.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Like we were mentioning Justin Timberlake earlier about the DUI.
And I'm like, I mean, my opinion, I'd imagine he drives drunk all the time.
kingsley wilson
Right.
tim pool
Like on Fox News, they're like, why would he do that?
And I think it was Gutfeld was like, he's lucky nobody got hurt.
And I'm like, I can't imagine it's the first time he did it.
You know what I mean?
Like, he just doesn't care.
unidentified
Damn, that's what Uber for, bro.
tim pool
I mean, but when you're ultra wealthy, what do you care?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So I have to imagine when it comes to like government records, Democrats be just destroying everything.
I'd be willing to bet Biden's got so many classified records just all over the place and never even found.
kingsley wilson
I mean, and we were talking about the January 6th committee.
They destroyed all of their records.
So much of their footage from different depositions that they took is just gone.
They've destroyed it.
We'll never see it.
tim pool
Evil.
kingsley wilson
It's crazy.
tim pool
Welcome to modern America.
That's why I'm just like, I, you know, 4th of July is coming up, but I don't feel like there's a functioning country anymore.
We're being occupied by oligarchs that just do whatever they want.
ian crossland
I know.
It's been like, I've learned about it in 2007 and got so blackpilled.
It's just, this is what we are, this is what we have become, is the hollowed out tip of the economic You know, that's a good point, Ian.
tim pool
Maybe what's really happened is that we shouldn't be blackpilled.
The reality is we should be white-pilled because before Trump, the deep state oligarchs were in control of everything with no say whatsoever.
And people right now may be looking at it like, oh no, we're losing.
Actually, for the first time, we're winning.
Right?
So 2007, well before Trump, the deep state's in control 100%.
Nothing's changing that.
Trump comes around, wins, and now they're panicking.
So we're actually facing the only real opportunity we've had in 30 or 40 years or longer to actually get a real president in who's not far from perfect, but a real president.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think so much of American politics and so much of life is deciding the mentality with which you're going to face challenges.
And so if you say like, well, it's all over, you know.
You just can't change anything, then you are definitely not changing anything.
Whereas if you look to this as an opportunity to change some of the damage that's being done to stewardship in a different direction, then you should feel really motivated going into November.
You should be looking at this as the most critical time and the actions that you're doing, whether that's campaigning for local people that you support or talking to your friends and family about voting.
You should look at that as a critical activity, which you can then look back on and say, I made a difference because I did those things.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, and I think now, too, more people are aware and awake.
Like, they understand what's going on.
You know, pre-Trump, like, I had no idea how the deep state functioned.
I had no idea that it even existed or that, you know, people in D.C.
and the Beltway hated me and my values and were actively working against me, even if they were Republicans.
I just had no conceptualization of that, but Trump in many ways was a
great revealer and he pulled back the curtain and showed people that the swamp is
real, it's aimed directly at you, and this is how we drain it and we fix it.
So I think more people are engaged and informed than ever before and that should
be a huge white pill for Americans everywhere. Yeah, with the knowledge of
ian crossland
what's going on, That's the white pill.
Because we're tasked with creating a global government.
Like, we're involved in the crafting of the mind of every human on earth that's listening right now.
And if we didn't know how corrupt things had become in the U.S., it could be very easy just to want to replicate it.
But there's a lot of things we can change.
I like voting.
I kind of like voting for the politicians.
tim pool
What if we get rid of voting?
ian crossland
Yeah, voting's a little weird.
tim pool
And what if we get rid of, like, popularity contests?
Let's just let Trump be in charge for as long as he's alive.
And then, just to make sure we're good, once he passes on, he can... He can come back whenever he wants.
He can abdicate the chair, the resolute desk, to Don Jr.
You know?
And that will just make sure that, you know, Trump and Trump Jr.
can take care of this country.
And we don't need voting.
hannah claire brimelow
Probably just keep it in the family, you know?
tim pool
Yeah, because they've done a great job.
And then, you know, after Trump Jr., of course, it can go to Trump Jr.' 's kid and we'll just do that from now on.
ian crossland
No, come on.
kingsley wilson
It sounds crazy now, but like Hamilton had an idea very similar to that.
He wanted basically an elected monarch.
So you would have someone, you know, that was elected and then they would serve for life.
And the check on them was basically that they could be impeached.
unidentified
Oh.
ian crossland
And if you set up a viceroy, then you pick your heir.
But then they don't have any claims.
They just serve the role.
And then when they die, their viceroy takes over.
That's one way to do it.
hannah claire brimelow
Be interesting.
unidentified
I don't literally think a monarchy is a good idea.
ian crossland
I don't either.
hannah claire brimelow
We're just spitballing.
We're just brainstorming ideas.
It's just a conversation.
ian crossland
Democracy, up to this point, it's been good enough, but just mob rule popularity contests isn't necessarily the best way to get the best leaders into office.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
You were about to say something.
kingsley wilson
I think, too, we've become much more democratic.
As our country's history has gone on, and I don't know that that's necessarily a good thing, and I think that it's kind of a rejection of what we were meant to be.
Like, to me, what's the point of having a bicameral legislature, the Senate and the House of Representatives, that are both basically the same?
They're both just directly elected.
Senators used to be appointed by the governors, and to me that makes sense, right?
You have two different chambers who are different.
They're elected different ways, and they do different things, and now they're basically just the same thing, just one serves longer than the other.
And I think that doesn't, to me, make a whole lot of sense.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, we were talking about this the other day.
You know, it'd be interesting to see if, you know, your state legislators voted and picked your federal senator, because then at that point people are going to be really invested, or at least more invested, in their local representation, because it will have this direct pipeline to the federal government that we don't have right now.
ian crossland
If they had senators for four years only, they're appointed by governors, then I'm into it.
If they're in there for 12 years, then I feel like the senator's going to put their buddy in there and they're just going to set up a little co-op.
But if it's a short term, short Senate seats, maybe two years, you go in there, you're appointed by your governor, you go in there for two years, next guy, that might be way, way better than putting people in long term.
hannah claire brimelow
I think my ultimate interest is not having as much focus on federal politics.
I think empowering the states more than we do right now is the biggest deal.
And I think to have that happen, you'd have to feel like on the state level, your decisions can't just be trodden on by the federal government, that you can hold the state office and really make a difference.
That was one of the things that I found interesting during COVID.
It was really the governors who decided what direction their state was going to go.
And again, you know, obviously we understand this, but there are other governors that, you know, decided that they were going to resist some of the pressure they were facing from the federal government in 2021.
And that should be a reminder of how important the state system is, as opposed to saying like, well, how do we make the federal government work for us?
We're supposed to have this check being the states.
They're supposed to protect us from a government that's out of hand on the federal level.
tim pool
Well, all right then.
Shall we go to Super Chats?
unidentified
Yeah.
Let's do it.
tim pool
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Let's read your superchats.
The last campaign says, howdy!
ian crossland
Howdy.
tim pool
Kyle says, Tim, any update on future IRLs for a live audience?
I'd love to make a trip up and see flagship Casper location.
So we are waiting on, I mean, it's just so sad the building's been empty for as long as it is, but there's so much work that has to be done.
This is the challenge with a 126 year old building.
And it's probably why the guy wanted to sell it when he did.
We have to do a ton of work.
We submitted drawings.
If it gets approved, then we can start doing the construction.
So we did the one event in April, and right now we're actually prepping for the RNC, which is why we haven't been planning for the local event.
But, uh...
We will, we will.
And so hopefully we'll have that set up.
The idea is to get it going once a month.
We have this event where you can come to Martinsburg, West Virginia and hang out for the actual show live.
Last time we did it was with Dave Smith.
It was really awesome.
So that's super cool.
Dave, of course, is back tomorrow.
And we're getting the whole Libertarian crew in here.
Oh, no, actually, I think Clint isn't coming.
I'm not sure.
But Angela McArdle and Dave Smith will be here.
And so we're gonna get their view on things.
hannah claire brimelow
Get a little post-mortem from the conference.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, but, you know, we mostly just talk topical news on this show, so it'll be interesting to get their views on a lot of stuff.
Dave's fantastic, and Angela's been just—it's been a smashing success for the Libertarian Party under her leadership, so.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I want her to bring her baby.
Whenever she comes to do the show, she brings her baby with her.
tim pool
Shane H. Wilder says Buffalo Bills are starting a gay football team.
Why is there a national gay flag football league?
Gives whole new meaning to tight end and wide receiver.
I'm pretty sure that sounds like it's not true.
unidentified
Wow.
kingsley wilson
I thought that was a joke when I saw it.
Is it real?
tim pool
I don't think that's that sounds fake.
Oh, there is.
kingsley wilson
Oh, no.
unidentified
Oh, it's real.
tim pool
Yeah, what is this?
Buffalo Bills?
This is real?
Is this a joke?
kingsley wilson
It's a league?
tim pool
BuffaloBills.com.
Bills to sponsor National Gay Flag Football League chapter in Buffalo.
kingsley wilson
Oh, okay, just like a... Gay flag football.
tim pool
I mean, dude, I don't care.
Like, my attitude with all the culture war stuff is, like, if they wanted to make transgender sporting leagues, if they wanted to make a reboot of Star Wars where everyone is, like, black, Asian, and Jewish, I'd be like, that's cool, man.
Like, do whatever you want to do.
I just not gonna watch it.
kingsley wilson
Yeah.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
Like, you make a video game, I understand people are upset when they change characters.
Like, one of the big controversies right now is Assassin's Creed.
Now, I get to be offended by this one.
Because Assassin's Creed, you guys are familiar with this game?
So like, Ezio Auditore, I think his name was, right?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
It takes place in Italy, and you play an Italian guy.
And it uses real historical figures, and you play an assassin taking out the corrupt evil, and stuff like that.
You can do, in the American Revolution game, you play as a Native American guy.
I thought that was also very cool.
It's like Native American during the American Revolution, you got Tomahawk and stuff like that.
They do Japan.
And the main character's a black guy.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And it's just like, okay, look, I don't care if you make a black character, but how come we don't get to play a Japanese guy?
You know, those of us who want the Asian story, they instead make a black samurai.
So it's like the one time they're gonna make a game for Japan, they just decide not to give you the Asian character.
It's like an Asian woman, I guess.
And I also find it offensive.
Because they could easily do an Assassin's Creed with, like, Shaka Zulu.
Like, tons of empire and war happened in Africa with great African characters.
You don't need to put a black samurai in Japan to sell a video game.
Like, do something in North Africa or whatever, or, you know, I don't know, there's tons of... Shaka Zulu, of course, is one of the most well-known warlords.
Crazy-ass warrior.
ian crossland
They should do Atlantis if they haven't yet.
That'd be cool.
You'd get all sorts of dark-skinned people in that game if you wanted.
But did the guy speak Japanese?
The black samurai?
tim pool
I mean, I'm assuming.
ian crossland
Does he have like a Japanese accent?
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
You don't know if he has an accent or not?
tim pool
No, I don't.
I'm pretty sure the Japanese people all speak English with a Japanese accent and he speaks English.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
But a lot of people are complaining, they're like, when we play the American Revolution one, you get an American guy, and it's like, we get that, that's cool.
Like, that makes sense for the period.
When you play in Italy, you get an Italian guy, that makes sense for the period.
ian crossland
And now they're doing... Was there a black samurai?
tim pool
They're doing a black samurai in Japan, I guess.
ian crossland
I heard about the controversy and they're like, was there actually a black samurai?
And that's where all this comes from?
tim pool
Either way, man.
I just wanted to play a Japanese guy in Japan.
You know, I am part Japanese.
I'm allowed to call that racist, right?
None of you are.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, Tim, we have to pay the price.
Politics and everything, always, all the time.
tim pool
So they're racist and, um, you know, they did whatever.
All right, let's go.
What is this here?
NeuroDivergent says, please invade Canada.
Sincerely, Harlan.
Not today.
We wish.
All right.
Noah Bodie says, so the White House is accusing Fox of being CNN.
Yes, that's right.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it's okay when they do it, but not when Fox News does it.
kingsley wilson
Right.
tim pool
Noname Farmer says, a while ago someone asked about morals versus ethics.
Morals are subjective, differing between people groups.
Ethics refers to objective standards of right and wrong, or good or evil.
That's why business standards are called ethics.
I don't know if I agree with that.
I think there are subjective morals and absolute morals.
You can take a look at every single human civilization and see that there are absolute morals that exist.
Some morals are subjective, but I certainly think there are moral absolutes.
Thou shalt not kill, basically, exists in every single society, with exception, in conquest, war, and self-defense.
Killing a member of your own group, so without reason, is considered wrong.
Killing with a reason to protect the life of your group is usually justified in some way, so it's self-defense or war or something like this.
Every society has that.
That's an absolute function.
I'm not saying it proves that it's right or wrong or whatever.
I'm saying all humans hold certain things to be true.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
And then there's... I think that one's pretty much true.
Like, I don't know if there's ever... I don't think there's a civilization that exists that the moral was to quite literally intentionally kill everyone because they would not exist.
Sacrifice existed for sure.
That's true.
But so, you know, that's why it's like there is some moral absolute.
However, that was like a big philosophy question people ask, what's the difference between morals and ethics?
I view morals as like your worldview of what is right and wrong and ethics are like professional standards.
Right?
That's why business stands are called ethics.
Because it's just like, we don't do that kind of thing.
It's considered bad.
You know, it's not like at the end of the world, like something immoral is different, like you're doing evil.
That's a good question.
ian crossland
Something that's immoral could be ethical.
Oh yeah, well... Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
I don't know, maybe.
I'm sure you could find an example of that, or vice versa.
ian crossland
Stealing... one rich guy is hoarding all the food, and this rest of the city is starving, and you steal his food.
It's an immoral act to, you know, acquire ethical results.
tim pool
No, I think a better example would be like...
Someone is trying to sell fruit on the side of the road, but they're supposed to have a certain sticker on their cart, and you, the inspector, let them pass.
It's unethical to let this person sell their products, but you know that if they can't sell this food, their family will starve, and you know there's nothing wrong with the food they're selling.
So the moral good is, I'm going to make sure this person can feed his family and he can survive.
I know he's not hurting anybody, and I know his fruit is good, It's unethical to allow him to sell these things.
Another example is ethics in Congress.
They can't accept gifts greater than $100 or whatever.
So that's not necessarily evil.
It's just like we set that standard as a precaution against people who might do something that's evil.
So it's unethical to give someone in Congress a gift of over I think it's 100 bucks.
But you're not really doing evil.
Like if you give someone a Like, I don't know, if you give them a... you take them to, uh, what's that, what's that, um, Nusret.
For a dinner.
And you give them something, you know, a steak worth more than $100.
If there's no intention behind it, it's not an evil thing to give someone a steak.
But it violates ethics, because you're not supposed to do it, because the barrier there is to prevent other people from doing evil.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ian crossland
Because of the excessive power of the result, whether it's used for good or for evil.
Anyway.
tim pool
Well, it's kind of like this.
We could argue, you can give members of Congress anything you want, as long as there's nothing attached.
The fear is, someone's gonna be like, hey, here's this, you know, free gift of $100.
Looking forward to that bill you're passing that supports my company.
And so the idea is you can't give them gifts to prevent that, however they do it anyway.
kingsley wilson
Right.
tim pool
Like Matt Gaetz is saying, they'll be like, so you're gonna, you're gonna vote yes on that bill for more weapons, right?
Great.
See you at the fundraiser.
That's all they have to say.
Yep.
That's immoral.
Alright, let's go.
Van Huffmang says requirement to take and pass the U.S.
government class to vote.
Agreed.
Agreed.
ian crossland
I'd like to be involved in creating that course.
You're saying that the U.S.
government would have a class that you need to pass to vote?
Hmm, eh.
tim pool
Voter ID requires you passing a test like you do at the DMV.
ian crossland
You gotta have voter ID.
You gotta have voter ID when you go into the voting thing.
You gotta have some ID.
Or at least write down your social security number under penalty of perjury, maybe?
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, Joe just sent troops to Jordan.
Nearly 4,000.
A new record for us.
His puppet masters are planning, happily, to start a war with Iran.
No bueno.
Holy crap.
Is that for real?
I didn't hear that.
Jordan deployment?
I don't know.
I haven't seen that news.
We'll take a look at it at some point.
I'll look into it.
Karen Manning says, if you marry an American, you get a green card.
How are you illegal then, huh?
They didn't file any of the paperwork.
That's the point.
kingsley wilson
You're just literally too lazy to do the process and the paperwork.
It's crazy.
tim pool
Let's go.
SupraguyCRT says, how exactly does an undocumented person prove that they lived here for 10 years?
Doesn't that seem like an opportunity to give amnesty to every illegal who just lies about it?
Yes.
kingsley wilson
I think that's the whole point.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, you know, I'm wondering how many activists are like, we have to let legal people stay here.
We'll now just marry illegal immigrants and be like, look, I'm helping because this is a great way to help people gain citizenship.
Like, there's no number of years you can get married.
You can be married for two weeks and suddenly be like, oh, I'm ready to apply for my citizenship.
ian crossland
And if they get a no fault divorce, are you still on track for the citizenship?
unidentified
I bet.
kingsley wilson
I think so, yeah.
This reminds me of that show, like, 90 Day Fiancé.
Have you guys ever seen that?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
kingsley wilson
They, like, fly foreigners here to marry them basically for citizenship and it's crazy.
But this is, like, we're living in that show now, basically, through this executive order.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy because, like, I know people who have, you know, been, you know, international couples and had to go through the process, especially during COVID, like, huge delays, lots of issues.
Typically, when you have your green card, you can't leave the U.S.
for a certain amount of time.
That means you can't see your family if they can't travel to you.
And instead, Joe Biden is like, thank you for sticking by the rules, but I favor the people who break our immigration rules.
They really deserve my support always.
It seems terrible.
tim pool
All right.
Wrath of Metal says, my wife is trying to immigrate from Uganda to here.
It is amazing how hard they make it to do legally and how easy it is done illegally.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
I know a bunch of people from various parts of the world who talk about how when they try to get tourist visas just to come hang out, it's insanely difficult.
And there are people who are illegally in the country and being given benefits and hotels and money.
Wild.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Polly P. Rice has simply cut off all of the migrant benefits.
Most will self-deport.
Reagan did that to migrant elderly Russians who came here to retire.
They all left within a month.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's interesting.
Paul Tasco says illegal immigrants harm economy via remittances.
Annually send $100 billion abroad to home countries.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
Not spending the money in the U.S.
economy, they lower wages, take jobs, and deplete social programs without paying in taxes.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, they just send all their money home.
They don't put it back into the economy.
tim pool
So it's siphoning away.
This is the problem I have with immigration in general.
Now I like immigration when people come here legally, but what I don't like about mass illegal immigration and mass general migration, there's got to be limits, is that remittances.
People don't have ties to their community, they have ties to external communities where they send and extract the value.
So you take a look at like Michigan, I always ask this question when I go to small towns.
What's their economy based on?
You go to a small town, and you're like, 10,000 people live here, and it's like, okay, what generates revenue so that this town can exist?
Miami, for instance, like Florida in general, is mostly tourism.
Matt Gaetz was talking about it.
He was saying that's why we don't have an income tax.
It's a sales tax.
Tourists come in, they spend a lot of money, they make a ton in income tax, and the people who, I'm sorry, in sales tax, so they don't charge income tax, plus they have high property taxes too.
Insurance is getting wild.
But I always wonder that, If you have a town that, like, you guys ever see the movie, was it Tommy Boy?
Chris Farley back in the 90s?
That town they lived in, the Callahan auto plant or whatever, brake pads?
If that factory went away, everyone loses their jobs, the town's dead.
What fuels a town?
Just those brake pads.
So that factory makes the brake pads, sells them externally to the nation, and the money comes in, paying all the people, which funds the restaurants and the gas stations, the convenience stores.
All the money is coming from one thing and being dispersed.
So then all the people who work there go to the grocery store.
They spend all that money at the grocery store.
The grocery store uses that money to buy foods from a regional distributor back to that town.
When you get a bunch of illegal immigrants working there, they get paid from the job, they don't go to the grocery store, they send the money back to their home country.
So now, the local area that needs money coming in to fuel the growth of the economy is stagnant, and people are struggling, things are falling into disrepair, beginning to fall apart, crime is going up, because money is being pulled out and sent away.
kingsley wilson
I think too what a lot of people don't realize about illegal immigration is that it really does hurt the countries of these people where they're coming from.
Like, if you have a country, say, you know, like India, for example, you have really, really poor people there who would never be able to afford to come to the United States.
They would never be able to buy the plane ticket.
Go through the expensive and cumbersome immigration system if they do that, or even cross the southern border illegally.
It's just not feasible for them.
And then you have really, really wealthy people in India who, you know, are living like kings.
They have no desire to come into the U.S.
because they're living great in their own country.
But the people who are coming to the U.S.
are the middle class.
So you're totally hollowing out the middle class of basically every country across the world.
And that is just kneecapping that society so that it can't function.
Because if you don't have a thriving middle class, you don't have economic growth.
tim pool
I think every state should have their own currency and the U.S.
dollar.
So if you're in West Virginia, you can use U.S.
dollars wherever you want.
Everybody takes them.
Or you can use West Virginia dollars.
Why?
This is a really fascinating thing that I learned about.
I watched this documentary like 20 years ago.
I think it was like 15 years ago.
They talked about the Ithaca Hour.
Ithaca, New York created their own currency called the hour.
It was just a local currency that only worked in this one town, and they actually saw a massive standard of living improvement.
Why?
Ithaca hours can't leave Ithaca, so they're being traded amongst each other, and people are engaging in trade using this trade medium.
With U.S.
dollars, an intermediary can take them away via taxes or something, and then now there's no money to spend.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, it's out of that community.
tim pool
Right.
If West Virginia had a guaranteed billion West Virginia dollars that were legal currency in the state, that means it would never leave the state.
So if someone in the eastern panhandle, Charlestown, received 300 West Virginia dollars to do a job, they can't spend it anywhere else.
And if anybody, if they pay taxes with it to the federal government, which they would, the federal government has to buy U.S.
dollars first, or they would buy... So basically, If it was one-for-one, you're like, okay, I have $300 in West Virginia.
I have to give it to the U.S.
government.
You have to buy U.S.
dollars first.
The West Virginia dollars never leave the state.
So that means whatever money is there would have to be used for only people in West Virginia.
I think that's a great idea.
ian crossland
So would it be like you could transfer it online?
You could go in and be like $400 for $400?
tim pool
If the market exists for it.
The way monetary exchange works is there's a guy who's holding a million dollars and a million Bitcoin, for instance, not a million, a million in Bitcoin.
And then you say, I'd like to get exchange my Bitcoin for dollars.
Well, you're basically going to a guy and saying, give me your dollars in exchange for my Bitcoin.
That's it.
You're just selling.
So if it was West Virginia dollars and U.S.
dollars, There would be a bank and you'd be like, I want to buy West Virginia dollars.
What would they do?
They'd charge you 10 bucks to do it.
So they make a little bit on top for the exchange.
Their goal is to hold enough West Virginia versus U.S.
dollars, probably through deposits, so they can act as a currency exchange.
ian crossland
If there's like a benefit, if it's like 1% off everything in West Virginia with West Virginia dollars.
tim pool
Local businesses might prefer it.
hannah claire brimelow
Probably.
I mean, it could affect their tax base.
It seems like a beneficial thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
You have a guaranteed amount of money that can't flood out.
tim pool
Right.
So that means no matter what happens, this money can't go anywhere else.
So if Michigan only has Michigan dollars, when the auto manufacturing plants disappeared, that money can't leave Michigan.
So it would go somewhere and get spent somewhere.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
Like if you had USD, you might spend it on Amazon.
But if you need a screwdriver from wherever, you might spend your Michigan dollars at your local hardware store.
tim pool
Exactly.
And then there would be an exchange.
So there would be some people might go to a job and be like, I only want to get paid in US because I want to order on Amazon.
And they'd be like, well, we pay 70% US, 30% in Michigan.
And you'd be like, okay, I could do that.
That makes sense.
Because the Michigan stuff is gonna be great for my groceries and my, you know, day to day operation, my laundromat.
hannah claire brimelow
You go to a restaurant in town, you know, play with Michigan dollars.
Yep.
I do want to say that I can confirm that there are almost 4,000 troops in Jordan.
The White House reported it to Congress on June 7th.
tim pool
Why are our troops in Jordan?
Were they deployed there recently, or what?
hannah claire brimelow
At the request of the government of Jordan, approximately 3,813 United States military personnel deployed to Jordan to support, defeat ISIS operations, to enhance Jordan's security, and to promote regional stability.
ian crossland
I was just told that ISIS was destroyed a couple days ago.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, Jordan's government asked for our troops.
tim pool
What is it called, ISIS-K or something now?
unidentified
I think so.
kingsley wilson
I love how we always are like, we're going there for regional stability, and then we just leave every single region more unstable than we found it when we left.
ian crossland
And they're like, at the request of the Jordanian government, you're like, hey, ask me for my troops.
hannah claire brimelow
I would like to send them to the border, but at the request of the American government, we can't do that.
Very weird.
tim pool
Matthew Schneider says, today is my 33rd birthday, and I just received my archery instructor certification.
It's a good day.
Keep up the good work, Tim Kasku.
Big fan of the show.
kingsley wilson
That's cool.
unidentified
Happy birthday.
kingsley wilson
That's very straight and true.
hannah claire brimelow
When I was in high school, we had a physical education requirement, like we had to do gym, and one of the, like, units was archery, and I always thought it was the coolest thing.
kingsley wilson
That's so funny.
tim pool
Back at the castle, well, here, we have a compound bow.
And I did everything wrong.
It was never zeroed, I never used the sights, but I got really good with it.
And so, like, I would go up on the balcony, and it's probably, I don't know, a hundred yards, and I could hit every target.
These little tiny steel targets.
ian crossland
What were you doing wrong with the bow?
tim pool
Well, I mean, like, I wasn't actually, like, I wasn't using it properly.
ian crossland
I don't know the specifics.
Well, I don't know.
tim pool
I got it.
I think we got it at a store.
I told the guy, just make it work.
ian crossland
Is it a green one?
tim pool
No, it's the white one.
And so there's like, there's a site on it.
And there's like, yeah, I just ignored all of it.
And I just...
Fired it until I figured out where the arrow was going to go.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I got pretty good with it.
Probably bad.
Probably should actually get instruction so I could do it properly, but it was fun.
Archery is a lot of fun.
hannah claire brimelow
I was a certified archery instructor at one point in my life because I worked in a summer camp.
I mean, let's do it.
And I remember in our booklet, because you have to take a test, there was a diagram of like where you hit on the target.
And it's like, oh, if you're hitting here, then you need to adjust your stance like this or you're like even like that.
And I always found that really fascinating that there is almost like a strategic way to think about All I knew is I would aim, and then release, and then wherever the arrow went, I would adjust by moving slightly.
ian crossland
Did you see the video of the guy who could fire, like, three arrows a second?
Oh yeah, he's crazy.
He's holding the arrows in his hand and he's going like... Yeah, he'd, like, jump off the wall, and, like, as he's doing a flip, he can fire three and hit, like, an apple across the room.
tim pool
We had a couple composite bows.
A couple recurve bows and a compound bow.
I bought a traditional Hungarian composite bow and it's really, it's draw, the draw, like with the pull weight or draw weight or whatever, it's really low, it's like 20 pounds.
And it's like, just really easy to draw.
unidentified
That's so cool.
tim pool
That was fun.
ian crossland
Love those.
tim pool
Yeah, super fun.
ian crossland
And those horseback archers are no joke.
tim pool
That was a revolution in warfare.
When, what was it, Genghis Khan?
The Mongols or whatever?
For sure, yeah.
ian crossland
The Mamluks, too.
tim pool
With the advent of horseback archery, it was an unstoppable force.
Armies had no idea how to deal with running full speed at high speed.
ian crossland
I think the Huns did it.
tim pool
I could be wrong.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Huns came in hard and then the Mongols later.
hannah claire brimelow
Can you imagine being able to fire a bow and arrow while riding a horse?
unidentified
Yeah, wild.
kingsley wilson
That would be tough.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm sorry, but that needs to come back as something we train people how to do.
ian crossland
I played a lot of Mountain Blade and did a lot of horse archery, but it's just not the same.
hannah claire brimelow
Definitely not the same.
ian crossland
Riding a horse.
hannah claire brimelow
I did it virtually.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
We got this.
Ellen Thompson says, thank you all for what you guys do there.
Pop culture crisis, actual journalism, boonies, chicken city, inverted world.
I'm OG and love watching facts change your perspectives.
Appreciate it.
ian crossland
Shout out to you.
Ellen Thomas?
Is that who that was?
tim pool
Thompson.
ian crossland
Thompson, Ellen.
Nice job.
tim pool
Right on.
Shootz says, my wife and I pay $2,000 every two years just so she can pay taxes legally.
It's a stream of income for the government.
There's only one extra perk to allow us to try to obtain citizenship, but you still spend $15,000.
There are good DACA recipients.
Oh, was there was there was an earlier super chat here from you that I missed?
Or is that just a reference to... I don't know.
ian crossland
Sounds like he's saying his wife is DACA.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
And they have to pay a fee, a $2,000 a year fee to file taxes.
tim pool
There was one super check from someone who said that they were a DACA recipient.
See if I can find it.
ian crossland
What does that mean, DACA?
tim pool
DACA is the... Deferred Action.
hannah claire brimelow
...for childhood arrivals.
So people whose parents brought them across the border or they were, you know, somehow came across the border illegally as children, but they've grown up in the U.S.
tim pool
I swear, you know, if someone jokingly said, Temple for President, if I ever ran, which I won't, but for the Libertarian ticket, I would just be like, I don't care about any of your arguing, nitpicking, weird conversations about this, that, otherwise, historical context around defund the police and COVID, don't care, don't care, don't care.
I'm going to pardon all people who are arrested for gun sales.
I'm like, I'm going to just literally, it's afuera, and then I'm done.
So pick a good VP, because the only thing I'm doing is going in there and pardoning Tens of thousands of people firing as many people as I possibly can.
And once that happens, I don't care about any policies.
I don't care about signing any documents.
I don't care about rubber stamping anything.
I quit.
Give me three weeks of executive actions, and then, as long as it takes, and then make sure you got a good VP lined up who's gonna give you your policies.
Now go debate the VP, and then, you know, vote for gutting everything else.
Alright, Sassy Cassie says, First Super Chat, but I listen to every show.
My brother-in-law is DACA.
Married, kids, speaks English, works hard, and conservative.
Citizenship is so hard and expensive, he was brought here when he was little.
And you know what?
That's difficult, it is.
But it doesn't change my opinion.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, me neither.
And like, obviously I feel, you know, terribly for these kids because they were brought here.
It wasn't their decision, right?
Their parents brought them here and they've grown up here.
But I think what I would say is that they found a way to assimilate into our country and to grow up here.
I think they can find a way to assimilate into another country.
tim pool
I just think it's...
The criminal here is the parents who brought them here illegally, and it's unfortunate for them that they were victimized in this way.
Perhaps then we can, what we should do is, we should have exorbitant penalties for bringing children here, because how about we charge the parents of DACA recipients with human trafficking?
Very serious criminal activity.
And then we say, Don't be mad at us that you lived your whole life here illegally and are now being told you have to go back to your home country where you're a citizen.
Be mad at the people who human trafficked you into this country.
It's tugging on your heartstrings to be like, but he's conservative and he lives here and it's all that.
It's like, if we don't have borders and we allow people to commit crimes, it's called perverse incentive.
If we say, fine, fine.
this person can stay even though they were trafficked here, then what happens is you get
people in China, you get people in Africa, you get people in Central America, and they say,
I may go to prison, but my child will live a good life if I commit this crime.
We can't allow that. We can't incentivize people to traffic children this way. It's nuts.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
tim pool
I mean, people are dying.
hannah claire brimelow
People who talk about these journeys, like they are dangerous.
It's a huge risk.
You can't incentivize illegal immigration, even if it's for, you know, potentially an honorable purpose, like you're trying to give your child a good life.
I don't think that that is encouraged.
It's not a good thing to say.
But if you just make it here, then everything will be okay.
Because actually, that's not true.
I also think that a conservative DACA recipient you know, would understand why citizenship is so important, right?
It's important that we, as a culture, say it's not enough to just be here.
You have to actively be a part of our system in a legal way.
tim pool
Melissa Woods says, agree with your hunter pardon, but I also wouldn't set my crack-addicted son up for a life of 80k a month that I get 10% of at his detriment.
These people are demons that sacrifice their children.
Agreed.
Agreed completely.
Yeah, someone else mentioned that Hunter has just always been the bag man.
And Joe Biden's attitude is probably like, Hunter, you're a loser.
You're a drug addict.
The one thing you're good for is that you can take the money so I don't go to jail for it.
Kneeboop says, Joe Biden broke his foot trying to pull Commander's tail in the shower.
He showers with his dog when his daughter isn't around.
ian crossland
What a weird story that was.
hannah claire brimelow
I still don't really get, like, what happened other than I heard he tripped over his dog.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
Viram says dogs typically become overly aggressive when they sense their owner is weak and needs protection.
This would make sense, since Joe is literally defenseless and weak.
ian crossland
Or with no owner.
Like just a wild, leaderless dog.
They'll go kind of crazy.
tim pool
Absolutely.
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Later, dudes.
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