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tim pool
Yesterday, of course, was May Day.
That is a leftist holiday.
And with all the protests going on across these universities across the country, of course, we were expecting to see some violence.
Now, the police have been tearing down many of these camps.
They tore down the UCLA camp.
They were seen on camera firing beanbags into the crowd, though many people reported rubber bullets.
I'm pretty sure they were beanbags.
You can take a look at the weapons they were using.
They looked like the less lethal shotguns.
But we got news from the Postmillennial.
Fifteen Portland police vehicles were Now they say it's suspected arson in their headline and I'm going to give you my opinion.
I don't think the cars spontaneously combusted at night.
I'm assuming someone set them on fire on a leftist protest day where leftists were smashing up buildings in the downtown area.
So we're going to go ahead and make the assumption Antifa torched these police vehicles.
There you go.
The police in Portland were tearing down the Portland camps and we have a rather humorous video of the children playing cops and robbers with half We've got a bunch of other news.
garbage cans, running into trying to, I guess, tackle a cop and then getting arrested. Because these kids are playing
games. They're playing revolutionary and empire. It's a silly game. We'll talk about that. We got a bunch of other
news, a big story that's been going around is the question of
whether the Daily Wire they've been accused of gagging Candace Owens, so she cannot speak about any disparage the company.
And that actually inhibits her ability to debate Ben Shapiro.
And so many people are saying the Daily Wire is acting disingenuously, but we can break that down.
And then, of course, in the Donald Trump corruption, I should say the corrupt Donald Trump trial, where they've got no statutory basis in law, Trump is being held in contempt again.
The judge has not issued his ruling.
They're saying he violated the gag order for a fourth time.
But guess what?
It's got to the point where even CNN defended Trump after they were forced to bring up insults from Michael Cohen.
And they said, you know, they read it on air.
And Jake Tapper was like, I apologize in advance for saying these things.
And then said, which we will mention on the show, but we'll wait a little bit, what Michael Cohen called Trump.
And then Dana Bash said this gives Trump credibility that Cohen is attacking him and he needs to respond.
He's targeting his presidential campaign.
So we'll talk about all of that.
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matt kibbe
Hey, it's good to be back, and my name is Matt Kibbe.
I'm president of Free the People.
We produce video content to turn on young people to the ideas of liberty.
We do a lot of comedy.
We're doing a lot of documentaries, and we have a new investigative series coming out called The Cover-Up, where we get to the bottom of lab leaks and bioterrorism and all the stupid things that the government did to the American people.
And I'm also the host of Kibbe on Liberty on Blaze TV.
phil labonte
Right on.
tim pool
Well, thanks for hanging out.
It should be fun.
We got Phil hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
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hannah claire brimelow
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unidentified
Hi, Serge!
Yo!
My voice just cracked like I was going through puberty.
tim pool
Here's the first story for the Postmillennial.
15 Portland police vehicles torched in suspected arson attack.
The suspected arson attack came after Antifa destroyed businesses downtown for Mayday.
I love you, Postmillennial.
And I understand why you said suspected, but I'm just gonna go ahead and say I don't think the vehicle spontaneously combusted, and I don't think someone accidentally tripped and fell and dropped their kerosene and lighter onto 15 vehicles all in the same night.
I think it's fair to say it's arson, and I think it's fair to say, you know, they put in the subtitle, That it came on a day when Antifa destroyed businesses downtown.
It also came on a day when the police are raiding their encampment and arresting people at Portland University.
So I would just like to say, in my humble opinion, Antifa and far leftists torched a bunch of police vehicles yesterday.
You know what the challenging thing with this is?
We've been covering this stuff for so long that I feel like it is... You ever drink a Coke or something and then try and eat ice cream right afterwards and it tastes like there's no sweetness to it because you've desensitized?
That's what it's like.
It's like we've covered so much anti-vote violence, it's like, oh, only 15.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think this could be potentially global warming because global warming is responsible for so much.
It's impossible to tell what it's up to next.
No, I think you're right.
I can understand why Post Millennial is doing this.
If you haven't, you know, arrest and convict someone, you have to say alleged and be careful of the language.
But probably, probably the rioters who were involved in the Antifa also burned the car.
phil labonte
These were revolutionary communists, they are terrorists, and I endorse the state stomping the... like, just stomping the hell out of them.
Find them, throw them in jail because they are trying to destroy the country.
tim pool
They could kill people!
phil labonte
Yeah!
tim pool
I mean, that's crazy, dude.
phil labonte
They openly say that they're revolutionary.
They say they want to overthrow the United States.
This is what they say.
Give them the smoke they are begging for!
Give them the smoke.
tim pool
That is, of course, it's called CS smoke.
Do you know what CS stands for?
A genuine question, because I want to look that up.
phil labonte
I don't.
tim pool
In Ferguson, when they fired the tear gas, it's called CS smoke.
And so CNN said, they're not using tear gas.
In fact, it's just smoke.
And meanwhile, everyone's going, ah, like wise.
Yes, because they don't call it tear gas.
And the other thing too, I learned is that pepper spray is apparently also tear gas.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's just a different, powdered.
hannah claire brimelow
The CS stands for it's a very long word meaning chemicals, and as I am not Ian the scientist, I cannot read it to you.
Really?
That's what the internet is trying to tell me right now.
tim pool
Because they have canisters that say CS smoke.
CS gas.
Oh, I see.
Chlorobenzylmalony.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, see why I avoided it?
tim pool
Really?
matt kibbe
I think that means not good for your eyes.
tim pool
Yeah, so they just call it CS gas.
hannah claire brimelow
It's its Latin name.
tim pool
Chlorobenzol malonitrile.
I can understand why the police call it CS gas now.
matt kibbe
Tim, I think you're being too kind to Post Millennial because they buried the lead here.
The real story is that there's still 15 cars in Portland to burn.
Oh, right.
Because I've been to Portland recently and it's... How are they doing?
It's kind of a festering hellhole.
tim pool
Really?
Yeah.
I went there.
The last time I was there was years ago.
It was funny.
There was some video.
I can't remember why people are posting it, but it was a video of, like, Proud Boys marching.
And they claimed this old video was a video of something else.
And I was like, I know that's fake news because I was at that march.
I know where that is.
They were in Portland.
And it was crazy because I was there a few days in advance, and so I'm walking around, I'm going to the store, I think I like bought a phone or something, I needed like an upgrade, and there are signs that they take posters saying this person is a Nazi, and it's pictures of like random people, and I'm like, I don't know what this is, but they were everywhere!
They just put up these posters of people, and now, over the past several years, we've seen all the news that the downtown area is basically gone, Nobody wants to have a business there.
matt kibbe
It's like a zombie apocalypse now and all the businesses finally gave up and people are now working from home.
So there's no people during the day, which means there's no restaurants.
There's no nightlife and it's just they killed it.
hannah claire brimelow
They're collapsing the economy there.
I remember listening to this interview NBR did with local business owners, probably on, you know, the downtown area of, I know it was in Portland, and they were saying, well, we don't necessarily believe in the things they believe in, but we will put the signs up so they know that we're friendly to their causes, and basically in hopes of being left alone, and it never worked.
matt kibbe
Never works.
phil labonte
These people that are, you know, Trying to fight the cops and trying to, you know, attack the cops and stuff like that.
These are the same people that shot that MAGA dude.
Like, they're of the exact same political bent, right?
They're the same people that would smash in a building Uh, you know, smashing someone's property because they, you know, they didn't have the right sticker in the window or whatever.
These are the same people that will stop emergency services from getting through their protest while people are having heart attacks or dying.
This is, they're all revolutionary communists.
They specifically say they want to take down the United States.
Give them the fight they're looking for.
Let the government send the police in and fight and go get them.
tim pool
I'm seeing all these people on social media being like, the free speech warriors are not so for free speech anymore.
And I'm like, oh, the communists are crying.
These far leftists are smashing up people's businesses, putting people's lives in danger, and then they get mad when the police comes in and gives them exactly what they ask for.
They say the ends justify the means.
That's what these people believe.
And I'm like, so this is what they're saying.
They think they're justified in smashing things up, burning vehicles, and they've killed people.
Because in the end, it'll be justified.
Yeah, in the end they will create government doing just this.
So when they demand government based on violent force, I say the police should go in and respond in kind under the law, which the law allows, to stop violent criminals because they're saying, They're saying they want government of force.
Okay, well, we can oblige.
The police can go in and stop you from using this force, countering your force with theirs.
And then we can all clap and say, congratulations, you've got what you've asked for.
matt kibbe
Speech is speech.
Violence is violence.
There's a pretty bright line there.
And violence should never be tolerated.
I have a friend that lives in San Francisco.
She's very successful.
She refuses to leave Haight-Ashbury because she believes that the Marxists that run the government absolutely want to run away.
Anybody who's successful, anybody that could actually keep the city, restore the city, make it worth living there
again.
And she won't do it. She's not leaving because she thinks that's exactly what they want.
It looks to me like Portland's, the thugs have won that fight.
tim pool
Take a look at this tweet from Andy No.
He says, at the May Day Antifa riot downtown Portland, the extremists in the Black Bloc marched
from the Portland State Library encampment where they threw mortar explosives
and smashed up businesses and property.
Portland police made no arrest.
The attack was pre-announced on social media.
Take a look at this.
Mayday scavenger hunt.
Here's a list of business orgs who profit off the settler colony of Israel that we'll pass on the march.
Keep your eyes out and take whatever autonomous action feels good.
And they label these businesses.
phil labonte
They literally just threw Israel's name in there as an excuse to go and smash up these corporations.
And if these were private businesses owned by a person, I would endorse the person getting out there and defending their business.
hannah claire brimelow
And no one who's going on this scavenger hunt, so to speak, is actually going to verify any of this.
unidentified
They're going to read this piece of paper and be like, haha, cool.
hannah claire brimelow
It's sort of illogical, but it does speak to the control this movement has over the masses, that it's brought together.
They are willing to Create an ideological incentive for them to do chaos and the people are not willing to say, hey, I'm an independent thinker and this is why I don't think I'm going to do that.
phil labonte
They're a tiny minority that intimidate the normal people that want to live normal lives that go to work.
Every day, that do the things that keep society together and keep society going, and they do this because they know that they don't have anything to lose, because they have no lives, they don't have jobs, they don't have to go to work, they're not the normal people.
So they go and they make a stink, and they scare the crap out of the normal people, so the normal people are afraid to do anything about it.
tim pool
Idle hands, devil's playground.
But I also wonder, you ever see that meme where it was, I don't know if it was like a guy telling a story in some post, he said that he rented an apartment and then one day he heard a gunshot and he got worried and, you know, he went out to his backyard or whatever and looked around and he saw his neighbor holding a gun and his neighbor said, don't worry, that was me, just fired into the ground.
I do this every once in a while to keep the property taxes down.
Something like that?
phil labonte
Insane.
tim pool
Yeah, I wonder if what's actually happening is it would be actually a hilarious story that there's a conspiracy of wealthy, like generationally wealthy white liberals who live in Portland who want to buy up as much property as possible, so every night they dress up like Antifa and claim, oh Israel, oh geez!
Then they cause all this damage, everybody leaves, they sink the property value, they buy it up, and then three years, They stopped doing it, you know what I mean?
Ryan Long had a comedy bit about this Antifa glass repair.
And he's like, by night we are Antifa, by day we repair windows.
And then they get a call like, oh wow, oh I can't believe that happened.
Yeah, we'll be right there with the new window for you.
phil labonte
I actually do have, I know a guy, like we're mutuals on Xbox Live that repairs windows in Portland.
unidentified
He was like, he was so damn busy.
tim pool
Seamus, Seamus, if you're listening, Someone already commented in chat, Seamus, we need you.
Seamus, it's a video where it's a guy.
Actually, Seamus might have already done this.
It's a guy driving around in like a Porsche or like a Model S plaid.
And he's got gold diamond studded sunglasses and a grill.
And it's just like a glass repair company in Portland.
hannah claire brimelow
I learned today that the majority of renters in the US, the people who rent their homes or apartments, live in basically 240 counties of the nation's just over 3,000.
And a lot of them are obviously around LA, in New York City, things like that.
And so I would be interested to see the cross map of Antifa activity and renters, people who aren't actually tied to the community.
They're sort of claiming social ties to the community.
But if it got really bad, they would all leave if they wanted to.
So anyways, that's for my think tank that I just invented right now.
I'll create that map for you guys.
tim pool
What is the end?
Your friend saying that she doesn't want to leave because she thinks they want her to leave.
But there's nothing you can do about it.
Like the system will be broken.
It's very difficult to build a machine.
It's very easy to throw a wrench in the spokes.
matt kibbe
Yeah.
Well, she's of means where she's fighting back politically, and she's actually trying to seed people who aren't crazy in the government.
Because, I mean, Portland only happened because the mayor and the city council and eventually the police let it happen, and they let it fester, and they let it get big.
And pretty soon it becomes this culture where all of these kids are doing this for a living.
You don't have to let it be that way.
So the question is, can you ever take it back?
Can you actually ever restore it so that people who work and produce and create and generate revenue for the city, will they actually come back?
That's a question because you can also just migrate and move somewhere else and live somewhere else.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I kind of recommend it.
I think the issue is culture.
And these cities, the reason Antifa's getting away with it is there is no culture.
Imagine if the overwhelming majority of people agreed with each other on how these things should be dealt with.
You wouldn't need to worry about anything.
You wouldn't need to fight at all.
The idea that you're going to government and being like, we better get good people in means good people aren't trying to get in and you're actively trying to encourage people to engage.
And that's a good thing, but it does mean that there's no shared culture.
If you go to a rural neighborhood, a tight-knit, small community, Antifa shows up, the locals are going to come out and they're going to be like, don't try it.
And they're going to be in agreement.
The cops are going to be standing alongside the people who live there.
In Portland, the cops go, I don't care.
I'm not getting involved.
I don't care who you are.
Because there's no community.
There's no culture.
So then you've got businesses being like, the cops won't defend me.
They vote against the cops.
What do you expect?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and the cops are like, well, the government won't take our side even though they're writing our checks.
I mean, I think what's interesting is that a lot of this is not solution-oriented, whereas if you have investment in your community, if you have a shared culture, you want to see it thrive.
You are part of something and you don't look around saying like, bah, burn it all down.
But with all of these attacks, especially in Portland, it's ultimately about the chaos.
The chaos is the ends to all of this.
It's the purpose for it.
That means that the city is not something they're trying to preserve or add into, so to speak.
matt kibbe
It's also, it is a political monoculture.
I mean, one of the problems is that there was no competition for governance.
Everybody's a Democrat, but not everybody's just a Democrat.
They're a woke, check all the boxes.
That's Portland.
Look, man, we have a bunch of laws in the books that aren't enforced.
I forget his name, but he was unwilling.
tim pool
Tom Wheeler.
matt kibbe
Tom Wheeler.
Yeah, it's still Wheeler.
And he was unwilling to do anything about them, and they repaid him by showing up at
his apartment building and terrorizing him.
tim pool
That's Portland.
Look, man, we have a bunch of laws in the books that aren't enforced.
We have a bunch of laws that are enforced that aren't even in statutory law.
Police in New York creating frozen zones.
And then the issue, the issue is who controls power and what is the community willing to accept or not accept.
Portland will not accept police arresting protesters.
So the protesters destroy the city.
And then these people who refuse to complain about it and let it happen, flee, and then bring their politics to other cities.
unidentified
Yeah, it's not, it doesn't take- It's a rat utopia experiment.
phil labonte
It doesn't take a lot for a police force to deter and prevent that type of behavior.
It doesn't take a lot of bashing heads together and stuff.
The police generally know the people that are causing problems in an area.
You talk to police and they see the same faces all the time.
They get to know the people because they do spend some time in the community and the people that cause problems continuously cause problems.
The police do have the ability and the know-how to clean an area up and make these kind of behaviors stop.
You just have to have a DA, you have to have a legislature or a judiciary that will keep these people off the streets.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
Derivative.
Police move in to clear Gaza Camp from Portland State University library arrests made.
It's not so much this story that I want to talk about.
It is a video explaining and helping you understand what's going on.
I can tell you very simply, Portland is the city equivalent of a mom at an ice cream shop with her nine-year-old son who's going, Mom, I want three scoops of ice cream.
And she goes, OK, please just stop yelling and I'll give you whatever you want.
That's what it is.
And I'll show you with this video from Ollie London.
Students wearing... Let me pause real quick.
Students wearing masks and bike helmets charge at police using garbage can shields.
As they rush towards police, they trip over and fall in the dirt.
phil labonte
Okay, that's awesome.
tim pool
Well, here's the video of the police making the arrests of these criminals.
And here's how they respond.
phil labonte
This is hilarious.
tim pool
Look, look, they're charging.
They're charging the police.
phil labonte
Go get them, buddy.
You got this.
unidentified
Yeah!
tim pool
Here we go, watch.
phil labonte
It's so good.
tim pool
This person on the right Actually charged and attacked a police officer.
phil labonte
You're going to jail, man.
tim pool
With a garbage can.
unidentified
That's a felony!
tim pool
Look at this.
unidentified
Look.
tim pool
I want to say this.
First, I am grateful these people are so stupid.
They're so good.
They're so good.
They have Nerf guns.
that they are using garbage cans.
They're so good.
They're so good.
Because we don't want these people to be going out with actual weapons or anything like this.
But they may as well be going out with plunger darts bought from Walgreens with a little
tiny doll and little suction cups on it.
hannah claire brimelow
They have Nerf guns.
They're like, we've got this.
tim pool
And Nerf guns.
It's better than them going out there and actually being violent.
But it shows you these kids are playing.
They're playing like children with plastic shields and charging into police thinking they're playing a game.
And it's because the adults have left the room.
They're not taking care of the young people in this.
And now you've got a bunch of permanent children running around smashing things.
You take a look at that video from Columbia where the police barricade the door.
And the woman goes, oh my God, it's finals.
Can I go home?
It's like, lady, you're committing felonies.
You're probably going to go to jail.
You're not going home.
But these, I blame their parents.
A whole generation of disgusting, lazy, spineless, disaffected parents.
unidentified
And I'm offended by it.
tim pool
I think Bad Religion wrote a song about it.
hannah claire brimelow
I think one of the interesting things with all of this is that they are such a hive mind.
They're looking for validation.
You know that one guy with the trash can, you know, shield was like, this is my moment.
I am a hero for the cause.
Here we go.
What did he think was going to happen?
There's no long term.
And Portland is having a terrible time.
There aren't that many police in Portland.
I think in 2021, police recruitment hit an all-time low and crime was just on the rise.
I mean, I don't think anyone who's interested in law enforcement is like, and I'll be a police officer in Portland because they don't want to deal with this, right?
If you could get a nice job in a nicer suburb or, you know, in Idaho or somewhere else, you would do that because this is just ridiculous.
And I think ultimately, you're kind of at the mercies of these impulsive PERMA children.
matt kibbe
I think these kids are actually surprised that the cops are going to do anything because the expectation and the tradition and the history of the last, whatever it is, four or five years is that we can do whatever we want and no one's going to, no one's going to push back.
And, and then he, then he's on his ass and what just happened.
That's not how it is.
phil labonte
Not only that, like, like Tim was saying, this is probably a symptom of kids that have not had any real discipline growing up right now.
I'm not talking about physical discipline, but like, I know there are a lot of people my age that are raising kids that their kid has never heard them say no.
unidentified
It's a kid in an ice cream shop screaming that he wants an extra scoop.
phil labonte
That is what's going on with a lot of this.
And then they run into reality, which is a police officer that has been told, no, all these kids are going to jail.
So all those police officers are gonna round you up and they're gonna throw you into a van to bring you to jail.
tim pool
And the problem is, however, when things like this happen where the kid charges a cop full speed with a plastic shield like a moron...
They'll likely just get let go.
Now, they may get charged with something and then their parents are going to complain.
You take a look at when they were torching DC during Trump's inauguration, the protesters got paid millions of dollars.
It broke down to several thousand dollars each or something like that.
Or it could have even been more than that.
I think it was over a million bucks split between a couple hundred people.
The adults have left the room.
These are 20-year-olds who are behaving like 7-year-olds.
Their behavior will not change.
They have no honor, they have no integrity, they have no understanding of how the world works.
I beg and pray that they get the world they're asking for because then they will cry buckets when they realize what they've done to this beautiful society that we once had.
phil labonte
They're literally getting it now.
tim pool
No, they're not.
phil labonte
No, no, but I'm talking about getting the fighting with cops and stuff like that.
tim pool
But that's make-believe for them.
They're getting let go.
I'm talking about when bears are roaming the city streets because there's no police anymore.
When a guy breaks into their house and they're going, oh no, why am I being robbed all of a sudden?
There's human crap all over the streets.
And every time this stuff happens, they just go, I blame the cops.
There's a great post.
You know, let me see if I can pull this up from Defiant Elves.
You guys know Defiant L's on Twitter and Instagram?
Let me pull this one up.
See if I can find it.
And it's... I don't think Instagram wants me to actually find it.
Okay, here we go.
Let's see if I can pick this one up.
Here we go.
Joshua P. Hill says, today starts with cops attacking students for their solidarity with Gaza in Atlanta, Chicago, and Princeton, New Jersey.
The Free Palestine Movement, like every single movement for a better world, requires the abolition of the police.
And then two days later, he tweeted, white supremacists are now marching in Charleston, West Virginia, with no police in sight.
Children!
phil labonte
The abolition of the police.
matt kibbe
So there's like, all of these cities, but Portland again is this festering example of everything they do wrong.
It's not, they talk about restorative justice, but what they mean is catch and release.
No matter what you do, no matter what you burn, no matter what you break, we're gonna pick you up and then let you go without even being arrested.
And we've done a documentary about restorative justice.
Real restorative justice teaches young people who do something wrong accountability.
They have to say, I did that.
I stole that.
And I feel they have to look their victim in the eye.
And instead, what they say in Portland, oh, this is restorative justice, but it's just, it's no justice at all.
It's no responsibility.
hannah claire brimelow
They're not being taught to take ownership of their actions.
Yeah, there's no accountability.
I'm loathe to bring up all the college campus protests, but I think this is something we're seeing with the generation of children who are told activism and virtue signaling is the most important thing that you could do.
Prioritize it over anything else.
I agree there's sort of a lack of discipline in the home.
There's a lack of consequences.
They think that they are on the right side of history and therefore there aren't consequences, which is very different, I think, than people who did protest for civil rights in the past or, you know, other people who have taken to protesting as a form of political activism.
I think previously people knew you were taking a risk, that you would face arrest, that there could be consequences that could affect you long term, but you really felt like this was worth it.
This is like the opposite, saying we shouldn't face consequences because what we're doing is the most important thing ever.
It's almost delusional.
Again, I think I talk about this a little bit too much, but like when you're a young person, if you're looking around and even if it's just 30% of people your age, if they're acting like this, does that make you want to be like that?
I mean, if you grew up in Portland or if you went to college there and you love it as a city, but you're watching it get torched, do you look at these people and say, well, keep up the good work.
This is going great.
Or do you say like, I think of myself as being on sides with you, but actually you're making my life impossible.
matt kibbe
It's I mean, I think what happens is that people take the easy path and you either flee or you join.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
matt kibbe
And that's that's why Portland is burning.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think there's something unique about Portland that made it the hotbed?
matt kibbe
Yeah, they tolerated too much BS very early on, and it became like a cool thing to do.
Like, this is like a day camp for these kids, right?
This is a fun thing to do.
They're part of the cool kids.
And now they're going to F around and find out that maybe at some point, Even these cities don't tolerate that kind of behavior because it's a very practical thing.
If they run out of a tax base at some point, the government says, you know what?
tim pool
I don't think so.
I think people leave.
I think what we are seeing is when the summer of love happened, those who are more inclined to merit, to build and be responsible, leave.
What's left is Well, what happens if you have ten children in a classroom, and the teacher goes, I can't do this, I'm done, and leaves?
Well, the kids are gonna start just doing random things, they're gonna trash the place, they're gonna be drawing all over the walls, it's gonna be bedlam.
So, I'd like to believe that in Portland, there's a breaking point, and people finally say, enough, we need to get our city in order.
I don't think so.
Property values go down, so the people who own buildings will be like, I better just sell this.
Well, they're not going to get their asking price, so let's sell it at a loss to someone who's thinking, wow, 10% under market, I'll take it.
And then they go, oops, I shouldn't have bought this.
Property values will continue to tank.
Many people will probably default on their loans.
We're already seeing this in San Francisco, where large corporations, like the Westfield Mall, and I believe it was, what was it, the Hilton, or there was another hotel, basically told their creditor, you know what?
You can have it.
Buy.
And just dipped out and abandoned an entire mall just like in the middle of the city, saying, there's no point.
So what's happening when you have no community is that no one wants to be the person to lay the brick so that every day we can have shelter.
And I've experienced this growing up and it's disheartening, but throughout my life I have found it has become increasingly difficult to convince people to do any amount of work.
I believe it's the millennial generation.
I believe millennials are mostly lost.
They want everything and they want to do nothing.
I tell people, I remember back when I was living in Chicago skateboarding and I went to all of my friends and I said, we're always complaining about the harsh winters and our inability to skate.
If each of us contribute only 50 bucks a month, we can rent an indoor space.
And they went, okay, you do it and then let me know.
I'm like, there you go.
Now you'll never have it.
But I'll tell you what, when I save the money and I get it, you're not coming.
Because you're lazy, you don't want to contribute.
And then what happens?
Then they expect to be able to be let in.
What's happening now is the people who live in these cities have no community.
And they decide, I'm going to leave.
I don't want to spend any money here anymore.
And then, one by one, the building falls apart.
Everything starts going to crap.
And then you end up with San Francisco and there's just poop all over the streets.
And the businesses are abandoned by massive corporations.
And there's no one to come in and fix it because nobody wants to lose money.
Who's gonna spend $10 million in San Francisco, hoping the city turns around and their investment improves?
phil labonte
Nobody.
And you see that in, like, you saw it in Detroit.
Like, after 2008, after the auto crisis, not that Detroit was doing great before that, but, like, after that, there was a serious exodus of people.
And it's really, really hurt.
Like, Flint's a mess.
Like, these areas have, like, really been affected.
And you, in fact, you can see it throughout the whole Rust Belt.
Like, as companies leave, Jobs leave and that hurts the place, you know, the people of those places.
So if you have... I am Sean, Actual Justice Warrior.
I am Sean 90, I think.
He says all the time, and I think he's right, like, poverty doesn't drive crime, but crime drives poverty because crime makes investment leave the area.
Crime makes people that have means leave.
If you have the means to leave, that means you're left with poor people, your tax base dries up because even though people refuse to acknowledge it, all of the taxes are paid by a small percentage of Americans.
So if you drive the wealthy people away, those are also the people that are paying taxes.
That means your services get worse, your schools get worse, your police forces get worse, all of this stuff.
is downstream from crime, from unsafe cities.
You need to have, and this was something that I was complaining about, like when people started talking about ACAB, like the whole ACAB sentiment, right?
Not the idea that communities don't support your police forces.
That was going to always mean that you were going to get a lower quality police force.
And we're seeing those results now.
tim pool
Someone, uh, super chatted saying that they think it was the bad parents, uh, Jasonaut says, bad parents were Gen X. I don't think so.
Gen Xers, for the most part, had Gen Z kids, and Gen Z kids are turning out to be relatively based.
Maybe it's because of, uh, because of their circumstances.
But I do believe that many boomers were bad parents.
I certainly think there are great boomers, and there are many boomers who had, uh, have great kids and were great parents.
I think the, uh, the boomers gave us Star Trek The Next Generation.
Brilliant.
But there are a lot of boomers who were like, I don't know what, post-hippie, lazy, do whatever you want for their kids, and now their kids are running around smashing things, shaving their heads, and they're gonna struggle to survive.
If any one of these kids in Portland, and I know they're adults over the age of 20, but they're functional children, you take 10 of those kids and you teleport them instantly into, I don't know, the middle of Alaska.
Oh, they're done.
It's just it's just over. Now imagine you take 10 young Amish people and blink. They're all of a
sudden in the middle of the woods. They're gonna be like, well, let's get to it. And you come back
in a week and there's a village and you're like, wow, these people know how to build.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt kibbe
Do you remember when AOC so infamously said my generation has never known true prosperity?
And, and it, oh my God, it was a great punchline, but I tried to take it seriously. And I've,
I have this half baked, uh, sort of Jordan Peterson meets Ayn Rand sort of theory about this,
that we have a problem in that the capitalist system actually creates tremendous prosperity.
And the big question is, do I get a third scoop of ice cream?
Or do I get the new iPad?
Or, you know, what is my trauma going to be?
Because I don't have everything that I need.
And I think there's a crisis in meaning when people don't have to work for anything.
And there's, there's, there's a dignity that comes from work.
And this is the Jordan Peterson part, but maybe also the Ayn Rand part that the struggle itself, trying to do something with your life.
And if you never had to do any of that, you're lost.
You have no meaning, you have no purpose.
So you see Antifa or whatever, and you're like, I'm going to, I'm going to go join that because I got nothing else.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I agree.
I also think it creates a sense of envy.
I think when you have a lot of people who don't really have purpose, when they look at people who do, they're filled with jealousy.
And they can't always name it, but they're like, you are living life in a way that I subconsciously know I want, and therefore the fact that you have something I don't is a threat to me.
And I think that's part of sort of the materialism that comes with a generation that grew up in prosperity, right?
That they have so much that they can't think of life without it and they therefore can't empathize with like what they actually need to do to create a life for themselves that's meaningful.
It is wild to me how many People that I know who grew up, you know, very comfortably.
A lot of them, their parents were together, provided for them.
You know, they went to college.
We'll turn around and be like, well, capitalism is a terrible system.
Like, then tell me which one you would rather live under because you have gotten everything you want out of life because of the system that you are now deciding is so evil.
matt kibbe
They don't think they have it.
They don't understand what they have because they didn't ever have to get it.
hannah claire brimelow
And they always, they want something else.
They're lost from eating and so they're jealous of the idea that there's something they don't have.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, let's move on to this next story and we'll get into social drama.
The New York Post reports Daily Wire obtains gag order against Candace Owens despite Ben Shapiro wanting debate report.
We also have the original reporting from Glenn Greenwald who says, as the Daily Wire publicly negotiated a debate with Candace Owens, it secretly sought and obtained a gag order against her.
The argument being that the reason why the debate has never happened is because while Candace Owens was saying let's debate and they were working out the details, behind the scenes the Daily Wire was saying, she can't say these things and thus there won't be a debate.
I do believe that Glenn Greenwald's, uh, I'll give you my bias.
I think Glenn Greenwald's report is biased itself.
And I think it's largely due to Glenn Greenwald's bias against Israel.
But there's probably something here.
I think there's more to it than simply the Daily Wire was like, oh, if Candace Owens debates us, we'll look stupid.
We better seek a gag order because no arbitrator is going to be like, well, that's legitimate.
There's going to be something else behind this.
It looks like the story might be.
That Candace Owens retweeted a video of Andrew Schultz saying Ben Shapiro has exposed himself as someone who can only debate college students and can't actually debate anybody for real, and the Daily Wire took issue with that and subsequent posts which were likes and retweets that were basically insulting and disparaging the company, and they said, hey, knock that off.
In Glenn Greenwald's reporting, They mentioned two statements.
One from Candace Owens saying, he writes, when asked for comment to be included in the story, Owens replied, I wish I could comment on this, but I can't, can neither confirm nor deny.
And then went on to say, Boring said, your story is inaccurate to the point of being false, though he did not specify a single inaccuracy, nor did he deny that the Daily Wire had sought and obtained a gag order on Owens at the same time they were publicly posturing as wanting a debate with her.
The confirmation we obtained of all these facts is indisputable.
Boring added, I'm sure you can appreciate how fraught a high-profile breakup like this is.
For that reason, we are trying to resolve our issues with Candace privately.
The issue I see right here, and this is the example that I use, is that when it comes to statements from Candace Owens, they're fine to accept that she says, I can't talk about it.
When Boring says, You know, we're trying to keep this private.
They insinuate that because he's not going into detail, it implies untoward behavior.
That's why I say Glenn Greenwald's biased on this one.
That being said, the story is interesting and I'm curious what you guys think as to the debate between Candace and Ben Shapiro and Israel and all that jazz.
matt kibbe
I mean, it strikes me as hypocritical.
I'm mostly on Team Candice on this one because The Daily Wire has made a brand out of being pro-speech.
And I get contracts and I get bad breakups with businesses, but this seems particularly duplicitous, saying that I want to debate you, but I'm going to legally shut you down so that I never have to debate you.
I don't like it.
tim pool
But that's the assumption that's being made by Glenn Greenwald.
The argument being that Glenn's effectively making an opinion piece where he says, we have evidence of a gag order and that is why there is no debate.
It would certainly seem that in a legal context, if the Daily Wire was seeking a gag order, no arbitrator would agree with them if they were also publicly asking for a debate.
So there seems to be components of the story missing.
hannah claire brimelow
From what I read, so Chris Burtman, who's man of Burt on Twitter, he's a writer at Skinner.
First off, this weekend that all this blew up, he had some of the funniest takes in response to all of this.
He's fun follow if you guys want to check him out.
From what I read from his coverage today, part of the issue is that The Daily Wire is saying that by calling for this debate, she violated her agreement with the company, which again, I don't really feel like I have a dog in this fight, but I think it seems strange that they're saying this back and forth that you had on Twitter calling for this debate is the violation of the contract when also Daily Wire employees were participating in it.
You know, Ben was in it until he had to log off for religious reasons and then Jerry Boring picked it back up.
And so it does seem slightly confusing to me that you know, they were publicly having this debate with her
and then maybe later went back and said, actually, we've decided that that was a violation of our
matt kibbe
contract.
tim pool
That if they're engaging in the conversation and the argument being that Candace Owens posting
Andrew Schultz and other things was was disparaging. It seems strange that they would
engage in that debate with her.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's hard to know without knowing all the language of their contract.
And again, like, it seems like such an internal debate that I'm always wary to comment on what's going on with another company.
Just because like, we could never know for sure unless you're on the ground.
But again, from what I read from from Chris Burtman today, it's this this fight that was going on is the problem.
But again, they both participated in it.
tim pool
But it seems like the only news we really have on is from Glenn Greenwald.
And I mean, this is what really got me.
It's like, he's like, why isn't boring?
You know, he says, he did not specify a single inaccuracy, nor did he deny.
Well, he also says, we're trying to keep this private.
When Candace, someone says, can either confirm or deny, they stop there and they just don't even entertain why she would say that.
Obviously she's being gagged, right?
So they just go, okay, thank you, Candace.
Now, why won't boring elaborate?
Well, because if you go to arbitration, the arbitration says, we are going to enforce a gag order.
Jeremy, you also have to shut the F up.
And so what, what may have happened is, Someone at the company said, Candace is posting and liking these things.
Then they pulled in the Andrew Schultz thing, went to the arbitrator and said, this is a violation of the non-disparagement.
And then he said, well, then you guys all need to stop posting as well.
And they went, okay.
And they told Candace, the arbitrator says, everyone stop posting.
And now the Daily Wire is getting flack because they're not answering Glenn's questions.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and I can understand if you're Glenn Greenwald, him saying like, your reporting is false to the point of inaccuracy, like, you take that personally, especially when you're then like, okay, tell me why, and he's like, I can't, which Jeremy Boring might be legally bound not to, it's just, it's a very specific criticism to Levy at a reporter, your reporting is false.
Incorrect to the point of inaccuracy, but you can't tell me where I went wrong.
I don't know.
I would be uncomfortable with it as well.
Not that, you know, that excuses any bias.
phil labonte
I mean, look, I'm not even sure what this beef started as anymore, to be honest with you.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know if any of us do.
phil labonte
I'm not I don't know like the idea that the daily wire says that they want to actually if that's the case that they would say okay we want to actually debate with you but then in back channels if if that's the case that's Probably the lamest thing that you could possibly do, you know?
Otherwise, like I said, I'm not even sure what they're gonna debate about.
Is it just like, is Israel good or is Israel bad?
tim pool
Is it anti-Semitic to say we shouldn't fund Israel and stuff like that?
Is claiming that Israel's policy is similar to the Nazis anti-Semitic?
I imagine that's a lot of it.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, if they're gonna have the debate, like, have the debate, shit, or get off the pot.
tim pool
I wonder if the real issue is that Ben and Jeremy are going back and forth, and then someone else, because there's other interested investors involved, said, I don't care.
Y'all need to shut up because she's in violation of non-disparagement and we don't want to deal with this.
phil labonte
It's probably stupid and boring.
tim pool
Right.
Yeah.
And ultimately what this comes to is the real issue behind this is literally not Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens and Daily Wire having a gag order or non-disparagement.
We know what the real underlying issue and the reason why this story is getting the news, right?
It's Israel.
unidentified
Say it.
tim pool
It's Israel.
Of course it is.
It's people who are obsessed with Israel.
Glenn Greenwald is hyper-focused on Israel for a lot of reasons.
And I'm not saying he's wrong to be.
There's a lot of people who live or die by just talking about Israel.
It's the only thing they care about.
There are a bunch of post-liberal and disaffected liberals.
Who were very much Democrats, come out now on the anti-woke side.
When the Israel issue happens, they're instantly standing alongside all the far leftists as it pertains to Israel.
And so sure enough, like, I do believe Glenn Greenwald is not a credible reporter on a lot of these issues.
And there are other issues pertaining to, that I've questioned him on the past, pertaining to foreign policy and reporting, where I think he is very, very biased.
So now you have the issue of Candace Owens, why she left the Daily Wire.
It's funny because everyone's claiming it has to do with criticism of Israel, and I'm like, Jeremy Boring actually defended her when she criticized Israel policy and US funding.
He said she's welcome to be here, she's allowed to give her opinions.
And then her contract ended and she left.
And now everyone's like, aha, it's because she criticized Israel.
Or it's like, I don't know, her contract ended and she left.
She realized she could make more money somewhere else.
She didn't want to work with these guys.
They don't get along.
And so she left.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think the big thing is that there was obvious tension between her and Ben Shapiro.
There's that video of him, I think it was at some sort of private dinner, you know, criticizing her pretty intensely.
But it is extremely difficult from the outside to say, you know, especially because we're in a political space, like how much is actual...
political ideological difference as opposed to like personality and contractual, you know, debate.
I think there are people who believe similar things that don't get along.
And I think there are people who believe completely different things that do get along.
It's hard to see when you're sort of enmeshed in all of this, which one is which.
I think it is, you know, no matter how it plays out, I am sad to say that this debate isn't going to happen.
I think it would have been really interesting.
Neither personality involved is obligated to go into personal details on it, but I think some of the topics that they comment on, having had the debate, you know, I think the internet would have liked it.
phil labonte
The internet would have absolutely liked it.
It would have been an absolute S show though, I think, personally.
unidentified
That's why the internet would love it.
tim pool
In the vein of internet drama surrounding Israel, Let's jump to this next story, which starts with the Defiant L's post that I'd mentioned in a previous segment.
This is where a, uh, I'll give you the news right away.
Nick Fuentes will be unbanned on Axe.
Elon Musk will reinstate his account and allow him back on the platform.
How it begins!
Welcome to the internet, my friends.
Joshua P. Hill, in a tweet that Defiant L's posted, he says, Today starts with cops attacking students for their
solidarity with Gaza in Atlanta, Chicago, and Princeton, New Jersey. The Free Palestine
Movement, like every single movement for a better world, requires the abolition of police. Two
days later, he tweets, White supremacists are now marching in Charleston, West
Virginia, with no police in sight.
phil labonte
That kid's a commie, too.
tim pool
Yes, I'd imagine.
hannah claire brimelow
And super consistent in his thought, obviously.
tim pool
Elon Musk then responds.
Goldfish memory.
He posted completely contradictory demands only two days apart.
Certainly, if I want to steel man his position, It's actually that the police attacked the Free Palestine, but didn't attack the white supremacists.
Not that he wants police to do so.
But we can certainly say, I don't think these people think that deeply, and I'm not gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.
In response to Elon Musk's post, One guy, Chris Futris-Z, says you work for Jews, to Elon Musk.
With a post from Nick Fuentes that reads, heh, what does it say about our society that the cops let BLM torch our cities but won't let students criticize Israel?
It means Jews control America, that is the obvious conclusion.
I certainly don't think that logic is there, but certainly Nick said it.
And Elon Musk responded, While I don't condone all the actions of any one group, I must admit to being openly philo-semitic and generally try to see the good in all people.
Goya Bean Groyper responds with this AI-enhanced photo of Nick Fuentes.
I don't know if it's actually enhanced.
I'm kidding.
He says, bring back Nick Fuentes.
Bring Nick Fuentes back on Twitter.
He has been banned since 2021.
What happened to your promise, big guy?
Elon Musk responds.
Very well, he will be reinstated, provided he does not violate the law and let him be crushed by the comments and community notes.
It is better to have anti-whatever out in the open to be rebutted than grow simmering in the darkness.
Ashley St.
Clair responded, this will get enormous backlash.
But if it is to be a free speech platform, it is the right move.
I say this as someone who has been viciously attacked by his followers for years now.
I do believe Nick was also incredibly radicalized as a result of censorship.
And then Elon says, fate loves irony but hates hypocrisy.
I cannot claim to be a defender of free speech but then permanently ban someone who hasn't violated the law, no matter how much I disagree with what they say.
This will probably cause us to lose a lot of advertisers and makes me sad, but a principle is a principle.
And thus, Elon Musk has pledged to restore Nick Fuentes, and my comment on Twitter is that, seeing that, I said, Elon Musk is based AF.
I think Nick is wrong.
I think his logic is not sound, but I certainly believe he has a right to say his opinions and be challenged.
And the example I'd like to give is that woman from the Westboro Baptist Church, famously on Twitter, spreading her views, getting challenged, and being de-radicalized by the exposure to a larger community.
phil labonte
So, like, it's not like Nick has anything to say that is worse than other people on Twitter.
There are currently people on Twitter that say things that are far more offensive or whatever than Nick says, like, without a question.
Guaranteed, just the fact that his name has left my mouth means that my mentions are going to have, someone's going to, there's going to be like a meme of someone pointing at me saying you're a Jew or something like that.
hannah claire brimelow
You think he's the scapegoat for this issue, though?
phil labonte
I mean, he is, but it doesn't matter because there's always going to be, as long as you're not, like, banning people at all for talking, you know, banning people for talking about Israel at all, there's going to be people that are going to say things that are, you know, that are going to be, you know, buck wild, that are going to be, like, you'd expect to find on 4chan and stuff unless you're really policing that.
So bringing him back is not going to make the, make Twitter or X any, like, significantly different.
So I don't see the problem.
hannah claire brimelow
What do you think, Matt?
matt kibbe
I unfortunately have been exposed to Nick Fuentes on random occasions, and I've never found anything to like about him or agree with him on, but I agree with Tim that this is a based move by Elon Musk.
Thank God for Elon Musk right now.
Until we get a blockchain solution to social media, All of our eggs are in the Elon Musk basket.
And I think that's right.
Let's community note the hell out of this guy.
And let's forget Nick.
I mean, whatever he is, he is.
But his followers could use a little bit of exposure to some other ideas.
tim pool
Yeah, see, you know, let's talk about the comment where I said I don't believe his logic is sound.
There's a basic logic test they do where it's performed in IQ tests where they say something like, Uh, some men are tall.
Some tall people play basketball.
Therefore, some men play basketball.
And it's like, okay, well, yeah, sure, then some, some.
Then there will be like, all men are taller than women.
All, you know, and like, you know, the logic puzzle, right?
So when I say, the logic is that sound, it's a great leap.
There is so much information missing in that statement to lead to the conclusion that Jews control America because some protests got shut down by the police, while many others were defended.
I certainly think there are interests that are pro-Israel, but here's ultimately what it comes to.
And I think the reason why Nick should be allowed back on Twitter, on X, by Elon and why Elon is based, is so that these conversations will emerge.
The conversation around, I'll give you one example.
You have a lot of people, especially Elad Eliyahu on the show, was making reference to certain comments about Israel, and he says, don't you think that that's anti-Semitic?
And I said, criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic.
Israel is a government, like any other country.
I don't hate Muslims when I criticize Saudi Arabia for their policy towards Yemen, because they have nothing to do with Qatar or what, like Malaysia.
Malaysia is a Muslim, right?
And so, I think they have blasphemy laws over there too.
I can criticize their government, and if their government adopts a theocratic system of governance, I can criticize that too.
The problem is, while you've got people like Elad or Ben or other people saying this thing, The inverse is, many of the fans of Nick, and I don't want to say Nick does this personally because I don't know, but his followers respond to comments about Israel with comments about Jews every single time.
Not all of them, I'm saying.
Like right now, there will be people in the chat saying, Goy and Shabos, and I'm like, making references to blanket broad Jewish practices because of the government of Israel's actions is exactly what Ben Shapiro and a lot are talking about when they say you are being anti-Semitic.
And so if you were to say that because the military-industrial complex, which has billions, hundreds of billions invested in their Middle Eastern outpost of Israel, If you were to take the logic there, because the U.S.
is also funding Ukraine much more right now than Israel, they're not coming out and saying Ukraine controls the United States.
Certainly there are arguments about the AIPAC and how long it's been around and the strength of their lobby and everything like that.
But the issue then becomes people believe that because politicians are upset, Biden in particular, Oh, for people criticizing US military policy and foreign policy, the response is then, Jews, as a whole religious and ethnic group, are in control of the United States.
If you said Israel controls the United States, I'd still say you were wrong, but at least that's closer.
phil labonte
And you can't, like, very rarely can you separate, not saying that there aren't people that are separate that make the arguments, But if you have people criticizing Israel in a public forum, the people that don't like Jews are going to be right there with them.
So being able to delineate between people that are just criticizing Israel as a state and people that don't like Jewish people, it's real hard.
Especially when you're dealing with random people on the internet or whatever.
hannah claire brimelow
It's true of anything, right?
Like, any topic that you're like, I'm criticizing this, the people who actually hate, you know.
If you were to criticize the Catholic Church, people who hate Catholics to their core are also going to be there, even if you just generally have an objection to the institution.
phil labonte
You do.
tim pool
Here's a quick question.
You know, when it comes to the issue of Ukraine, and we've been just, like, rabidly anti-funding of Ukraine, no one's accused us of being Ukrainian.
No one's been like, oh, or like, or, or being Ukraine phobic or anything like that.
phil labonte
The way that people react about the Jews is crazy.
Like, I mean, you can have a legitimate conversation about, about Israel and that's fine, but you still are going to attract some people that are going to say some whacked out shit about Jews.
tim pool
It happens.
Is there like an equal, I was thinking about this when it comes to like, You know, the argument that because there are so many, because Jewish people are overrepresented in media and stuff, that shows that they control this, that or otherwise, and I'm like, is there a similar argument about, like, Arabic and Muslim control of oil?
Because I would argue that oil actually is substantially stronger in terms of control of this planet.
Our currency is backed by energy, of which the most dominant form being petroleum and coal.
phil labonte
Our coal, our dollars backed by the US Navy, nuclear weapons.
tim pool
Right, but the actual function of the dollar's value is energy.
What is the energy output?
And so when you print more, the backing of currency, fiat or otherwise, is the energy output.
So when I trade money to someone, I'm exchanging that for, at its root, how much energy they can put into a system in exchange for me and the direction of that energy.
I'd say that the Middle Eastern nations controlling massive portions of global oil trade, the Houthi rebels, you know, firing, shutting down the Red Sea, threatened, like, half the world's oil trade.
Are we sitting here being like, Muslims are controlling America because of oil?
Like, look at OPEC.
Look at Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia doing the weapons deals, and then the U.S.
is bombing Yemen on behalf of Saudis who are upset about it.
Do we come out and say Saudi Arabia controls the United States?
The funny thing is, you've got people posting on Twitter these conspiracy theories that Israel was involved in 9-11, and I'm like, Saudis were involved in 9-11!
And Saudis are dictating U.S.
policy over oil, and getting us to bomb people on their behalf.
Where's the argument that Saudis or Muslims control the United States?
phil labonte
People say the reason that there's tension with Iran is because of Israel, and there's some truth to that, but they ignore the fact that there's absolutely a fight between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Iran's Shia Muslim, Saudi Arabia's Sunni.
There's all kinds of history between the Persians and the Arabs and stuff.
There's all kinds of reasons for Iran and Saudi Arabia to not get along, and if it wasn't for the fact that Israel's there to take the heat, There would still be regional conflict between Iran and other countries because it's not a monolith in the Middle East.
The Kurds are fighting.
There's still the civil war in Syria.
Sure, there's the focus of Israel that everyone's focused on now globally, but it's not like the Middle East is a peaceful area.
Now, granted, people are going to say, oh, the U.S.
did it, and there might be some some validity to that. But even going back to like, I mean,
the last time it'd have to be before the, like to the Ottoman Empire before when it was
like fairly at peace, you know?
So it's not like Israel's the only tinderbox in the Middle East.
tim pool
There are people who have Israel Derangement Syndrome and they can't see any other context
in foreign policy.
They can't see any other context in Congress and in government.
And it is not too dissimilar to The Woke, where they scream white privilege.
There are too many white people in finance.
There are too many white people in the military.
There are too many white people in movies.
There are too many white people in government.
White people control this.
White people did this.
White people did that.
And then you have now people on the left and the right who are like, Jews have too much control in the housing market.
They're over-represented in movies.
They're over-represented in politics.
They're over-represented in... And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, great, great, great.
The privilege argument again.
I'm not interested.
matt kibbe
It's so frustrating talking about this.
As a libertarian non-interventionist, I have the Ron Paul view on Israel versus Palestine, which is, it's not our business.
tim pool
Agreed.
matt kibbe
Now, I have personal views.
I have lots of friends in Israel, so I I've had some of them on my show and I've had liberty perspectives on both sides, but the thing that happens, and I'm surprised that libertarians fall into this trap, when we talk about Netanyahu or the Israelis or the Palestinians, people immediately go full collectivist, blaming the government of Israel for, or blaming all Jews for the government of Israel.
Or saying that every Palestinian baby that's getting killed right now had it coming because they voted for Hamas.
Well, that's just dumb.
unidentified
This is about... The baby didn't vote for anybody.
matt kibbe
They probably didn't.
tim pool
The baby literally did not vote for anybody.
Yeah.
matt kibbe
But you can't always lump this into some sort of collectivist ideology.
It's war.
Blame the individuals who are responsible for the actions that are causing the war.
tim pool
There's a war going on.
I don't care.
I literally don't.
People are like, you know, I see this video of someone screaming about Gaza, and I'm like, I don't care.
Look, human suffering is bad.
War is bad.
There's war going on.
Everybody claims they're right.
How about this?
Can we have a protest for the Uighur Muslims in China?
Because they're getting brutalized by the Chinese government.
hannah claire brimelow
All the human trafficking victims who are brought across the southern border.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, let's do that.
Hey, that one affects us.
That's what I care about.
hannah claire brimelow
That's at least in our backyard, like literally attached to our nation.
I don't understand why Americans are only motivated by things that are happening abroad.
I think compassion is good, I think the loss of life is awful, but when do we turn inward
and say, hey, we have a lot of problems internally and we should start prioritizing them before
we start intervening on every side of this conflict, by the way.
matt kibbe
It's possible that there's a military-industrial complex that propagandizes this and makes us scared.
phil labonte
Matt will definitely agree with me on this.
If we're actually going to be focused on serious problems and be America first, I said it last night and I'm going to say it again.
We have to focus on unfunded liabilities, focus on Medicare and Medicaid, focus on all that stuff because the dollar is going to be devalued like mad.
If you think the inflation that we're seeing now is a big deal, it's going to make the inflation that we've had in the past couple of years look like child's play and that also will destabilize the whole world.
If the US dollar collapses, the problems that will arise from an unmanaged de-dollarization of the whole world cannot be overstated.
So if you're worried about America, you need to focus on getting in touch with your representatives and making sure they know that you want them to do something about the unfunded liabilities and the national debt.
matt kibbe
The single biggest threat to national security To American way of life, fill in the blank, whatever it is you care about, you should care about that.
phil labonte
Please, please go on more.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, why do you think people don't take it seriously?
matt kibbe
It's an abstract idea like the destruction of the currency and like I was talking, Thomas Massey was on my show just the other night and we're talking about there's a bill that would seize Russian assets to help fund the war in Ukraine.
I forget what it's called.
And he's like, you realize that Russia buys a lot of U.S.
debt.
And China buys a lot of U.S.
debt.
And if the new precedent is foreign countries that buy U.S.
debt, we can seize your stuff.
That combined with the payments on the debt, that combined with massive monetization of all this money we're sending overseas, this is how empires die.
And nobody seems to care because it's an abstraction, right?
hannah claire brimelow
And I think Americans don't understand debt themselves.
I mean, they struggle with mortgages, credit card debt, you know, look at how we got to student loan debt.
I think the concept of debt is very difficult for Americans to understand on the personal financial level.
I can't imagine it being applied to the federal financial level.
matt kibbe
What they do understand is that their dollars can't fill their grocery cart anymore.
And it's the same problem, but it's personalized.
And I think that's why Trump can win.
Because Joe Biden is just, the economy's...
Awful on a very personal, tangible level.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to the story.
phil labonte
Let me say one more thing real quick.
For everyone listening at home, when you hear politicians talking about mandatory spending, that's what they're talking about.
So a lot of times they'll use phrases and terms that people aren't familiar with.
When they're talking about the unfunded liabilities, when they say mandatory spending, that's the stuff they're talking about.
You have to be aware of the terminology so you know what they're talking about.
That is the thing that will literally kill America.
You want to go and stuff your basement full of food?
This is what you're actually stuffing your basement full of food because of.
Because this is the biggest threat to the U.S.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story about Trump.
From Mediaite, oh this one was good, I apologize for this update.
CNN's Jake Tapper reports on Michael Cohen's, we'll say this in a second, Michael Cohen's tweets during the Trump gag order hearing.
The gist of the news is that Michael Cohen has been going on TikTok and social media disparaging Donald Trump to an extreme degree and his campaign.
To the point where now Donald Trump is being held, he's having another contempt hearing for gag order violations, but even CNN is saying that Trump has credibility because Michael Cohen, and earmuffs for your children, ladies and gentlemen, Michael Cohen referred to Donald Trump as Von Schitzenpanz, and Jake Tapper apologized before reading it.
Let me just play this quick segment for you guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
jake tapper
Generally speaking, if Mr. Trump were not running for president of the United States, this would be pretty open and shut.
Who cares?
You just have to take it.
unidentified
Right.
jake tapper
But there is an argument here that Donald Trump's running for president and his First Amendment rights, when it comes to responding to attacks, need to be respected.
unidentified
Absolutely, and this is partly why they are hammering these Michael Cohen points so aggressively.
Because of the fact that these are probably, of the four arguments, the strongest ones that the Trump team has.
It's someone who is, in some measure, going back and forth with the former president.
jake tapper
Okay, I apologize for this update ahead of time.
Oh boy.
But Blanche, Todd Blanche, the Trump attorney, is specifically reading a post that Michael Cohen made on Twitter on April 22nd, in which he refers to Donald Trump as Von Schitzenpants.
That is just a factual record that I am bringing before you.
This is in the court transcript.
Von Schitzenpants.
Blanche also said there are repeated attacks on Trump and his candidacy on Cohen's podcast and TikTok account.
Dana Bash, I know you want to weigh in on Von Schitzenpants.
unidentified
I think you did it on behalf of all of us.
You've taken care of it for all of us.
jake tapper
Just for the record, I have been calling it Von Poops in Pants for weeks now, but now
it's a part of the official transcript.
unidentified
I do think that when it comes to just the raw politics of this, the argument that Donald
Trump is making out in the world, not just when he comes into court and when he leaves
court, but when he's on social media, when he's at his rallies about, I'm gagged, I can't
speak.
When you look at this, which we should say, he can speak about the judge.
He can speak broadly about a lot of things.
It's very narrow what the gag order is about.
But it does include Michael Cohen because Michael Cohen will be a witness.
And when Michael Cohen makes very clearly political statements against Donald Trump, it gives Donald Trump a much more credible political argument saying, this is ridiculous that I can't speak.
Blanche just showed articles quoting Cohen, quote, talking extensively about Trump's presidential campaign.
tim pool
When, when CNN is forced to defend Donald Trump, it's not looking good for these, uh, these Democrats in this court case.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's interesting because they start off by being like, well, none of this would matter if he wasn't running for president.
And you're like, well, the whole reason he's on trial is because he's running for president.
The audacity of this man.
The judge in this case did say when he issued the fine the other day, I'm trying to remember the exact terminology, but effectively, the gag order is not supposed to be a sword and shield for Trump's detractors, right?
Like, he acknowledged that this was being used as an opportunity, I think both by Soriano and definitely by Cohen, Truthful.
throw punches at Trump when Trump is restricted on how he's allowed to publicly defend himself.
And again, I find this to be a really interesting case, sort of in a nuanced way, because some
of it is, you know, he's retweeting posts.
So is that actually commenting on it?
Other ones he's, you know, or whatever the Trump's truth, he's trumpeting, he's re quote
trumpeting these things and truth alter them.
That's lame.
And so the context of which we're having to examine a gag order with the nuances of social
media is fascinating.
But again, this, this is not a great look for anyone who is anti Trump when you're like
this, this guy is actually making us all look like idiots.
Shout out to Michael Cohen.
phil labonte
I don't have anything.
I have nothing to add.
Like it's all just garbage.
Like Michael Cohen talking smack about Donald Trump has been the same thing forever.
The fact that there's a gag order on Trump is ridiculous.
This is all just a political hit job.
It's just the whole thing is just garbage.
hannah claire brimelow
I want to see should gag orders be applied to retweets, litigated all the way through to court.
I think this is fascinating.
phil labonte
It's all election interference.
And the fact that we have to entertain this, and we have to entertain this process.
It is clearly...
I don't want the federal government to step in or anything like that, but it is really frustrating that there is no authority.
You can be like, look, someone has to real has to come in and be adults because it's clearly not, you know, clearly they're not behaving like adults are not behaving like It all feels very Venezuelan to me.
matt kibbe
I haven't followed this as closely as you guys have because I just dismiss it as that.
This is just the politicization of the judicial process.
But I have a theory.
Some people believe that Trump lost the re-election because of mean tweets.
So could this gag order actually guarantee a landslide?
tim pool
I don't think Trump lost because of mean tweets.
I think it's because Republicans were sitting around being like, gee gosh, Willikers, I think we're going to win this year debate.
And then the other Republican was like, if we keep telling the American people how good we are, then we're going to win the debate.
And Democrats were sitting there going, can we just get people to put their names on a piece of paper?
How many of those can we get?
Republicans seem to think, and they thought the whole time, I was making the argument too.
We all thought that Trump making the argument to the public was going to win him an election.
Wow, the economy's doing really well.
Gas prices are way down.
Donald Trump's coming out here and he's talking about his plans.
Makes a lot of sense.
I said, his second term agenda looks great.
I'm going to vote for him.
And Democrats were going, oh, we don't even need a candidate.
Biden can just sleep all day.
All we gotta do is get a bunch of people to put their names on this paper and then we
have more paper than he has and then we win.
And then they win.
And Trump loses.
So if they don't get on board with the real game, which elections are about, they're about
getting as many pieces of paper as you can that someone can run through a machine.
That's it.
Nothing else matters.
But can I give a shout out to this other article?
Cassandra posted this one.
Trump denies sleeping during trial.
I simply close my beautiful blue eyes.
hannah claire brimelow
There is just no one like him.
It's so funny.
And I was definitely one of those people that was like, well, you know, he's not classically presidential.
He's a little gruff, whatever it is.
But like, these lines are hilarious.
So I make a point to try and listen to like MSNBC and all the mainstream media every day because I'm trying to lower my IQ.
No, I'm just kidding.
Because I want to know what they're saying.
And this idea that Trump is falling asleep in trial is like their big, like the big thing they're sticking to right now.
Never mind the fact that they're also admitting the jury is falling asleep, especially when the banker was testifying the other day, like, it's not fun to be in court and sitting and listening to boring stuff, but they are constantly, like, they'll be like, and now joining us is this guy who's been in court all day, and he'll be like, yes, yes, well, I can only see the back of Trump's head, and he doesn't appear to be sleeping, but I've heard that he is sleeping, like, it's so ridiculous, and that tells you, You know, in between these comments on Trump, they're also admitting like, the prosecutors were not able to get Cohen to, or anyone to officially confirm that Trump was the person directing the money.
It always stops with Cohen, and then they're sort of like, and people thought maybe Trump.
tim pool
What was the latest quote?
It was like, someone testified that Trump was asked about the payment, and he says what payment?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, this is like regularly what happens.
tim pool
It's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
hannah claire brimelow
They're able to build a case that it links to Cohen, but they are not, from everything I can see, they cannot definitively link Trump to any of this.
And every time they'll be like, well, Pecker's the big deal.
Well, actually, this next guy is the big deal.
Actually, you know, the key witness is this person.
And every time someone comes to testify so far, no one has been able to do the thing the prosecution desperately needs to do, which is to link Trump to these payments.
tim pool
They can't.
hannah claire brimelow
So meanwhile, they're like, so he's falling asleep.
tim pool
Well, I love this because the way the media reports is like what you were saying.
They'll be like, here we have John Smith, who was in the courtroom during the trial.
What happened?
He goes, well, I was sitting in the back and I could only see the back of Trump's head.
But after talking with someone who's familiar with how Trump thinks, it was obvious that Donald Trump during this trial was imagining strangling the bailiff.
And then they go, oh, wow, Trump's so violent.
hannah claire brimelow
I got a news alert the other day, I think it was Wall Street Journal, that was like, he's cold, there's no Diet Coke, Trump is miserable in courtroom.
And you're like, I think he's actually been through court way more times than you're giving him credit for.
Like, yeah, maybe he's saying it's cold there.
Maybe it's just unpleasant and not fun.
If you're gasping at straws like this, I'm sorry, your case is falling apart.
tim pool
I don't know why Trump, like, okay, so Trump-truthed.
Contrary to the fake news media, I don't fall asleep during the crooked DA's witch hunt, especially not today.
I simply close my beautiful blue eyes sometimes, listen intensely, and take it all in.
I also don't under- if it were me, I'd be like, oh yeah, I was sleeping.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I like it better that he's just like- Who cares?
tim pool
Like, I don't know, why does it matter?
hannah claire brimelow
I like it better that he's just seriously meditating on the things that everyone is trying to tell him.
tim pool
Didn't he say he was praying before?
hannah claire brimelow
The thing is, also Joe Biden falls asleep at all kinds of stuff.
Like, people fall asleep when sitting.
I'm not that worried about it.
It is funny to me that Trump is like, my beautiful blue eyes, because he knows the media is gonna be like, he's such a narcissist!
He called his eyes beautiful!
tim pool
I just...
There's nobody like him.
unidentified
No, there's not.
tim pool
His Bill Barr zinger is historic.
Remember that one when he said, I called Bill Barr overweight, slow, lazy, and lethargic or something?
And now thanks to his, I accept his wholehearted endorsement and for this I will be removing lethargic from my statement.
He's too good.
hannah claire brimelow
Have you played your rock opera version of that line?
tim pool
Oh, we struggled to make one that was good enough.
hannah claire brimelow
No, there was one that I thought was so funny.
We were using AI.
Sorry for context.
Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right.
tim pool
Yeah, we never did.
I gave that one to Seamus.
I think Seamus is working on a cartoon called The Corrupt Criminal Case of Donald J. Trump using the rock opera we made about Trump's truths.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
This one, we got to turn into a rock opera song.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think that also endears him.
Like, if he lost for mean tweets, which I don't think he did, I think he really wins with people by giving off these, like, nonplussed answers.
I'm simply closing my beautiful blue eyes.
tim pool
Let's do this.
Let's jump to a completely just off-cycle story that's really interesting, and I talked about it earlier in the day.
A lot of people wanted to talk more about it.
This is from the Daily Mail, how Baton Rouge School, plagued by racial tensions and violence, drove military veteran to spearhead successful campaign for wealthy white residents to form new city of St.
George.
The first thing I'd like to do is insult the person who wrote that headline.
Because it's overly verbose and doesn't really explain what the story is.
The story is massive.
Baton Rouge is effectively splitting into two cities over crime.
With the wealthier suburb, which is predominantly white, St.
George, becoming its own city.
And this was as of a couple days ago.
The interesting thing is that there are many people arguing that by having this wealthy suburb break off, which is predominantly white, 70%, it is going to harm and leave behind black families.
I am shocked that they would make that racist argument.
Black families in Baton Rouge don't need the white people to be there in order to succeed.
I don't know why they would make that argument.
But of course, they're claiming it's racist now that the people who live in this community voted for their own city.
So what say you, panel?
hannah claire brimelow
Matt, how do you feel about this?
matt kibbe
It's not racist, it's rational.
tim pool
Is it based, in fact?
matt kibbe
It's very based and there's a movement, I don't know about Louisiana, but in Texas there's a movement to create new free cities that split off from places like Austin.
And it's simply about taxes, it's about regulations, it's about zoning, it's about schools, it's about all the things that normal people care about.
And my guess is that the Baton Rouge city government is slightly better than Portland, Oregon, but Maybe not good enough if you're paying the taxes.
So why wouldn't you vote with your feet?
And why wouldn't you start a community that is actually going to care about basics?
Like, I want my trash picked up.
I would love for my kids not to be transitioned in middle school.
And I would love not to get shot.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Baton Rouge is where there was a big BLM riot and the case is still going on where the police officer then sued the organizer for being like, you created a dangerous situation.
There's a similar, there was a similar effort in Atlanta to create, I think it's called Buckhead.
And as far as I know, it's sort of, it's been voted on a couple times and it's never gone through.
But again, there was this criticism that it's like all the wealthy white residents want to split off.
I think that's an oversimplification to scare people against the concept, right?
If you're living in an area and you guys are doing pretty well, regardless of race, and you think, hey, this city is being mismanaged, I don't want to sell my house.
My house is in the good part.
Why don't we split off?
That makes sense for me.
I think it's sort of arrogant of cities that are being poorly managed to say, well, like, you guys have to go down with our ship.
You're not allowed to leave.
Otherwise, we'll label you racist.
unidentified
It's not race.
matt kibbe
It's governance.
It's failure of governance.
It's a failure to do the basic things that you expect a city government to do.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think so for sure.
phil labonte
I mean, the thing is, you can't, if they are wealthy people, you can't make them stay, right?
Like, even if this failed and they were like, well, you can't.
Well, you know, all those people can be like, well, this sucks.
We're leaving anyway.
hannah claire brimelow
Would you rather them move away or would you rather them split off and live next door?
I think the state would rather they stay in the state.
phil labonte
To the people of Baton Rouge, obviously it's going to matter, but to the people that, you know, that want to leave, It doesn't matter.
You cannot, you cannot force people to stay.
And the more the state tries to, the more it resembles, you know, what you get when the state tries to make people stay in an area.
And that has plenty of historical analogs on all kinds of, you know, different, different, different degrees from, from marginally annoying to, you know, they're going to throw you into, into, you You know, mass graves if you try to leave, so... I wonder if we'll see more and more of this.
hannah claire brimelow
Again, I think the scare... You're right, it's happening in Texas.
Like I said, the Atlanta one is the one I'm most familiar with, but if you can keep them there by labeling them, you know, racist, is that sort of becomes less... Why would you want to live with racists?
Why would you want to live with racists?
They don't even want to be here.
Let them go.
But like, as this logic falls apart, Do you think we'll see this more and more in cities that are struggling?
matt kibbe
I'm sure this is happening in Baton Rouge, but as cities start to destroy their tax base, they start to expand their boundaries and encroach into suburbs that weren't part of their tax base.
So part of it is just like it's like economic warfare, like you're not going to do that to us.
We're going to separate from you completely.
if they would get their house in order, they wouldn't have this problem.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
You've got the state of Jefferson, greater Idaho.
You've got a county in Colorado trying to secede from the state.
This is actually happening all over the country.
And when there is no solution to the people who live there, when they're demanding these things, they don't get it,
they move.
And now we're seeing geographic hyperpolarization, which is really bad.
But you know what's going to happen now here in Baton Rouge, St.
George?
People who can afford to will move into the wealthy, safe, and secure area of St.
George, and the poor people will stay behind, and Baton Rouge will start to fall apart.
phil labonte
And 90% of this is, well, no, the two issues, if I understand correctly, the two issues are the schools, And also the crime.
So like and there's also there's violence at schools.
It really is like if you have an unsafe area where the law enforcement does not take care of the population, the people with means leave that area.
That's just the way it is.
If you can get out of it, if it's dangerous, and it's the same as whether it's people that are leaving a town because they don't like the school, or refugees from a war-torn country.
This is what happens when people are unsafe and they can leave, they get the hell out of Dodge.
So this is not some kind of shock and you're only going to see it.
The actual solution is to get competent governance.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you can't really hold order minded people hostage by saying you have to stay here where there's chaos.
They're not going to do it.
They're going to follow their principles and their values and they want structural order and safety.
tim pool
I wonder if there's actually any kind of solution to the issue of self-segregation.
Because what I see from this is, if you don't allow a city like St.
George, as we're all mentioning, people move, right?
Yeah, well, these wealthy white people are going to go move into wealthy white neighborhoods.
They're not going to decide to go move into, like, central Chicago.
None of these wealthy families are going to be like, I know, you know, 45th and the red line sounds good.
They're not going to do it.
They're not going to want to go there.
So all that's going to keep happening is more and more self-segregation.
But the thing is, you know, I learned this growing up in Chicago, all of the races self-segregate by choice.
No one forced them to do it.
In the early days, there was something called redlining, which is where the real estate companies would intentionally push black families towards redline housing.
They're like, we want to make them all go there because it's a racist housing market.
They're concerned about the property values if black families move into white areas or close to them.
So they want to control it.
That gets made illegal.
Guess what happens?
Nothing changes.
The Hispanic people start moving near Hispanic people, the white people move near white people, and the black people move to live in black communities.
Now you've got St.
George, but if they were forced to leave, none of those people are going to move to a Mexican neighborhood, or a Honduran neighborhood.
None of them are going to move to a black neighborhood.
I mean, very rarely.
Some may, but for the most part, they don't do it.
People just segregate based on race.
I don't know what the proposed leftist solution to that is when people choose to do it.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, sometimes leftists propose segregating based on race.
I can't remember which school, but there was a college recently where the African-American student community was saying, well, we want our own dorm.
We don't want to have to live somewhere else.
So is that racist?
Or are we cool with that one?
What are we doing here?
tim pool
The left likes it.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, if they call for it, it's okay.
But if you were to be like, hey, I'm not saying it's a race thing, but I don't want to live in a place where I'm scared to send my kids to school because they're going to get beat up and there's all kinds of stuff, then you're racist.
tim pool
To be fair, the left has no real morals and no real ideology.
The best example being Lance from the Serfs on this show arguing.
That if a man is attracted to a manly woman, he's gay, but then tweeting out that men being attracted to manly women is straight, because it's literally flavor of the month for these people.
They have no ideas behind anything they're saying.
phil labonte
For people that are making the argument that you were referring to, it's just a vector of attack.
Jordan Peterson would refer to it as postmodern because it doesn't actually matter like to them
It's just that this is an attack that will will convince people
Watching and it's an a vector of attack that will work and so it doesn't they don't really believe it like Tim says it's
not Like they have any belief in it what they believe what they?
Actually believe is that words have power and that's the postmodern thing
So they use, you know, race as a, an effective tool.
It's nothing more than an effective tool.
That's why it's conditional and it, it's different depending on who's using it and stuff like that because it's all that postmodern garbage.
matt kibbe
It's also like this, this is a microcosm of, of our two different philosophies.
If I'm grossly generalizing, one is centralization.
of power and one size fits all and we're going to run the city the way that the ruling party believes in.
And I think our side believes in localism. Like if everybody in the Mexican-American community wants to
self-gather in that community, I think that's great. Or maybe they want to mix it up. Like,
how do we know what a robust culture looks like unless we let people be free enough to decide for
themselves? What do they value most?
Do they value being with people that that look and sound like them or do they value?
Diversity or they just devalue a reasonable tax code that doesn't totally screw you Right.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think we talk about this a lot, but I think one of the biggest challenges facing America right now is that we don't have a collective understanding of what our values are and what our culture is supposed to be.
And so that's why I love regional culture in America.
I think it's really interesting that In Louisiana, there's a big Cajun influence, it's a different language, and I would want to preserve those things.
But overarching, do we understand what it means to be American as opposed to these regional enclaves?
Or, you know, if you're living within an immigrant community that's settled in a specific area, would you be able to both have your, you know, ethnic culture and as well as be able to say like, but being American means this.
These are the values that we all agree we want to preserve.
matt kibbe
Well, we did have a system that allowed for individuality and local culture and a common sense of American identity.
I think going back to centralization, intersectionality is a central plan.
And it ranks everybody based on somebody's preferences.
And it is so fundamentally un-American that it pushes us away from each other.
It creates all of these divisions and this distrust amongst different types of Americans.
And I think that's what's tearing us apart.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I think intersectionality, I mean, this was the big buzzword I remember when I was going through college, like, how great is intersectionality?
And as you're describing it, I'm like, this sounds awful.
This sounds terrible.
But it is, again, this idea that You know, we could have a moral and cultural understanding of what order should look like, but there's the opposite side which says, no, we want to be able to change, to continuously rotate the deck as we see fit, and we don't want you to be able to complain about it without being labeled with an ism, so to speak.
unidentified
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
Thank you so much for agreeing with me.
tim pool
Affirmation.
For Hannah Clare.
hannah claire brimelow
Thank you.
I need that because I'm female, and also I'm a middle child, so it's really important to my ego.
phil labonte
Middle child will do that, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you a middle child?
phil labonte
No.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think birth order does make a difference in personality?
I'm sorry, this is off topic, but...
phil labonte
I don't know about in personality, but in the way that you're raised.
If I was the first child, there would have been no second child.
tim pool
Is there a Bill Levante?
phil labonte
No, I have a sister.
It's Catherine, and she's just about two years older than me.
tim pool
It would have been better if her name was Jill.
phil labonte
Yes, maybe.
tim pool
You'd have weird parents.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I have a story that I'll tell you off the air about weird names.
But anyways.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
I expect more of this to happen.
Leftist ideology and democratic policy is destroying cities.
Portland's an example of it.
I wouldn't be surprised if a suburb of Portland or something, they start passing laws because they're concerned about what's going on.
I think we're already seeing people fleeing.
And it's all racist.
If you leave, it's racist.
If you make your own city and your own laws, it's racist.
It's just, you're a racist.
phil labonte
You know, you're right.
It is only going to continue.
And a big part of the reason is because of the narrative that people are fed.
And I was harping on this the other day.
But the reason that we had all the mess of the Summer of Love and the George Floyd riots was because of the lie fed to the American people for The better part of a decade that the police were killing thousands of black men, innocent black men, innocent unarmed black men.
The idea was that the police are killing thousands of innocent unarmed black men every year in America.
And that's what people bought.
And because of that lie, we had thousands of lives destroyed, you know, tons of, like, just tons of chaos for a whole summer.
And with this, like, you have this lie that Rich people don't pay their fair share, and they don't pay any taxes, and they all get out of it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And the reason your life is bad is because of the rich people, and the reason that you don't have this is because of the rich people that don't pay their fair share.
When the truth is rich people pay all the taxes, the bottom half of the 50% of the country
don't pay any taxes, and the people that are freaking out about,
that are protesting capitalism and stuff, they're not paying any tax at all, and they never have.
And these kinds of narratives that are not true, but permeate through society,
have real world effects on the way that people behave.
And when you have, there's people that talk about like the inequality that we have,
and you don't have a problem with poverty per se, but you have a problem with perceived inequality.
If your whole society is poor, poor doesn't matter.
But when you've got really rich people and then some poor people, it sucks.
But the whole society overall is really Generally wealthy and like we don't have people falling out of society and these the the narrative that we have this terrible society that where where people are constantly falling through cracks and and kills people and blah blah blah that's and that is not true and it's a lie that's permeated a lot of Gen Z and young people and that's part of the reason why you have these protests is because they generally believe the US and our society is bad and it's just not.
tim pool
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Let's read, we got TokenBlackGuy who says, howdy people!
He's taken over from Clint.
Clint is gone.
Well, he's now the first super chatter.
Oh, here's a good one.
The second super chat is Tim is controlled opposition saying if Biden turns on Israel, he's got my vote.
What a perfect example of what I was described as Israel derangement syndrome.
Let me elaborate.
An individual who calls me controlled opposition, who is willing to vote for Joe Biden so long as he turns on Israel, a man who is enforcing DEI policies at the federal level, a man who just invoked new Title IX rules that eliminate protections for women and allow males to compete against females, among other things, providing protections for women who make claims and accusations against men. A guy whose
brother gained a bunch of lucrative contracts seemingly in line with the position he had as the
vice president. A man whose son was an executive on the board who did drugs and who was
cutting out 10% for the big guy.
You'd be willing to support one of the most corrupt individuals in US history who is pushing
communist garbage in this country so long as he says Israel bad. That, my friends,
is exactly Israel derangement syndrome. Shall we read on?
CEO of fat girl says howdy people Clint said Clint Clint howdy people Clint she won't stop texting me man get her under control.
I am the milk man My milk is delicious, okay?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I have no idea what that's about, but... Have you guys been seeing the stuff about avian flu being found in all kinds of milk across the country?
tim pool
Oh, here we go.
It's gonna be, like, October.
The October surprise is gonna be airborne Ebola or something.
unidentified
Yeah, everyone gets the same.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, I feel like it's conservatives who drink milk, you know?
Like, only lefties drink non-milk.
tim pool
Yeah, but conservatives drink, like, milk from a cow.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what it's being found in?
Like, they're, like... No, I mean, like, people are going to stores and buying... Oh, yeah, like, local milk, as opposed to, like, delivered to a grocery chain.
tim pool
No, but everybody drinks milk because milk's in everything.
It's not even about buying a thing of whole milk.
It's that your baked goods, your other derivative drinks, your milkshakes, your ice cream.
Liberals like ice cream too.
Conservatives like ice cream.
Everybody eats ice cream.
hannah claire brimelow
There's a bunch of food recalls right now.
This is occasionally something I follow for Scanner just because it's fascinating to me.
Because we all know the food that we eat is bad, but also can be so easily like messed up for non-nefarious reasons.
Just like, man, it's a delicate shade.
tim pool
All right, Kale says, love to hear cast brew will have canned cold brew in the future.
I've been making cold brew with Appalachian Knights at Chronic Golf Plus Games on Hilton Head.
It's the best thing about opening shifts.
Yeah, it was one of the first things we looked into was doing cans of cold brew, but unless we order massive amounts, which is beyond our warehouse capacity and shipping capacity, We're not able to do it.
So the challenge is, you need to produce a certain amount of cans to get the cost low enough, but you need a certain amount of distribution to be able to produce enough, because they don't... I think cold brew lasts for one year, and you don't want to have them sitting around in a warehouse.
Then you've got liquid shipping.
So it's actually fairly challenging.
With our coffee, we roast in small batches.
So when you buy a bag of cast brew, you're getting something that was freshly roasted recently in a small batch, and we have a bunch of empty bags, and then when people order, we cycle through, like, roasting a batch and then sending them out, and then roasting a batch.
Making cold brew requires making the cans, canning them, printing and everything.
If we only do small batch cans, they're like five bucks a piece.
We have to sell each can for like $5.
And selling like a $30 six pack of, that's pretty brutal.
But I mean, if you look at Starbucks cold brew, it is expensive to do canned cold brew, even when you're at mass scale, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
You have to clarify this for me.
Some companies sell the setup to do your own cold brew at home, like just what I think of as a teabag.
That would be easier to do than the canned.
tim pool
The idea is like we want to get to the point where you walk into a gas station and you grab a can of cast brew from the shelf, scan the UPC and then crack it open and drink it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that'd be cool.
tim pool
Appalachian Nights cold brew canned at the store, that would be a dream come true.
I'd be great.
I'd have a whole bunch, buy some, go to the skate park.
And then it gets real tough when you want to do like the kind that has cream already in it.
Now you're getting complicated.
Perishables and dairy and oh boy.
matt kibbe
Particularly if it has Ebola.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Avian flu or something.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you pay extra for the avian flavoring?
phil labonte
Yeah because you have to make sure that it gets to, that this thing's still active.
Let's go!
tim pool
Travis Delaney says, as an OG Kibbe fan, I demand he bring back his infamous sideburns.
Tim, pull up a picture to remind everyone of what they're missing.
Is there, if I search for Matt Kibbe sideburns?
matt kibbe
Okay, I have a sideburn issue.
So, when I was running FreedomWorks and I was on TV all the time representing the Tea Party, I had these sideburns because I just shaved off all the gray and all that was left was these awesome sideburns.
And then Keith Olbermann attacked them.
And I said, well, shit, I gotta keep these forever now.
hannah claire brimelow
As a defiance move.
matt kibbe
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you have the sleeve of tattoos in this photo too?
Or like, how has your aesthetic evolved?
matt kibbe
I had some.
I continue to add to the collection.
hannah claire brimelow
That's so funny.
tim pool
Alright, TokenBlackEye says, Tim, regarding your earlier segment on Baton Rouge and the new city of St.
George, I've lived in Baton Rouge most of my life and unfortunately the crime has become out of hand.
Much like Portland or San Francisco, like many of these cities.
So don't be surprised if more stuff like this happens.
phil labonte
Crime drives poverty.
hannah claire brimelow
What if you don't, we were always saying like move out of cities, but what if it's not move out of cities, it's just move to the best neighborhood and separate?
phil labonte
Just hire, just get better police.
Like, if you have a good police force that actually takes care of, like, well, I mean, not only, it takes more than just police because you have to have a DA that'll put people in jail.
hannah claire brimelow
And a government that's, like, accurately, I mean, this is what I said about Portland, right?
They cannot recruit police.
They have a budget, they're failing.
matt kibbe
I gotta push back.
I think you need good neighbors, is what you need.
You need neighbors that share the values of don't hurt people, don't take their stuff.
Because police cannot substitute for a bunch of neighbors that want to hurt you and take your stuff.
phil labonte
I agree with that.
I do agree with that.
tim pool
Ryan Ain't Lyin' says, huge shout out to my amazing wife, Caitlin, for giving us the best 15th anniversary gift of our second son, little Tucker Finley.
I guess we are even more far right now.
Well, congratulations on moving further right by having children.
phil labonte
You named your kid Tucker Finn?
That's super far right.
hannah claire brimelow
I love when people call and chat in and tell us that they have kids.
So exciting.
tim pool
I'm implying that shutting down the protests is wrong, but I don't actually care because the people are begging for it.
I am not actually praising the police for going in and shutting down the protests.
to the discord too. I think, Jason, I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying.
I'm implying that shutting down the protest is wrong, but I don't actually care because
the people are begging for it. I am not actually praising the police for going in and shutting
down the protests. It is sort of for the for I'll put it this way.
When there was a video of a Jewish student being denied entry and the cops would not help him, I am upset the police were not doing anything about it.
When the police were called upon and witnessed these people attacking Jewish students, this is what precipitated the violence at UCLA, the police did nothing.
When the clashes started, the police came in and broke up the clash and then did nothing.
And then finally, the police were called in to get rid of these protest camps.
I am saying that sometimes the police are good, some departments are good.
Big city departments typically are bad because they're run for political interests by politically appointed individuals, and sheriff departments are typically better because they're elected.
But in this instance, my statement about the police is not necessarily a positive one.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a negative one.
I am saying, the far left wants to live by the sword and now they shall, so when the police come in and give them the governance they asked for, I will laugh about it.
But I would defend someone's right to free speech were they not violent communists who physically attack people.
If Nick Fuentes showed up at one of these campuses with a megaphone, took no land, claimed no territory, and just stood there bullhorning, I'd say, He's allowed to do it.
I mean, if you want to make an argument about the audible nature of a megaphone, and he's got to set it to a certain volume, so be it.
I don't care if you're a communist, a Muslim, an anti-Semite, or whatever, you have a right to free speech, but only, in my opinion, if you agree with the right for other people to have free speech back.
Meaning, if you... Like, exactly what Elon Musk said.
Fuentes is allowed on X, and he should be, and other people can comment on his posts, and they can argue with him online, and they can community note him when he's wrong.
And that's what we need.
But these violent communists in these universities bar people entry and physically attack them.
Funny video I saw.
I think it was Crowder that reposted it.
It's a guy who made a channel called Totally Tourist.
Have you guys seen the video?
He's wearing a Hawaiian shirt and like, I don't know what the hat's called, but it's like a round hat.
And he's walking around asking people in New York what's the best place to eat in New York.
He's a travel vlogger called Totally Tourist.
He's a tourist here and he wants to find the best food.
And he goes to the protest.
And he's like, hey, I'm wondering if you can give me some advice on a good place to eat.
And they go, no press.
And he's like, I'm not press.
I'm a travel vlogger.
I'm just trying to find good food.
And they're like, press is over there.
And then one guy walks up and goes, what do you think about Palestine?
And he's like, I don't know anything about it.
I think what you guys are doing is great.
And then the guy starts getting in his face.
And he's like, I don't know.
He's like, hey, man, back off.
Don't touch my stuff.
He's like, I don't know.
I think you're doing good.
Whatever, man.
And the guy insults him and walks off.
And I'm like, you see, you see, this is it.
A guy's walking around a Hawaiian shirt saying, where can I get some food?
And they say, get out, no press.
These people don't believe in free speech.
I'm not going to defend their free speech.
But Jason, shout out to the Discord.
If you guys aren't members at TimCast.com, you're missing out because there are pre-shows, there's morning shows, there's after shows.
It's people hanging out, networking, and winning a culture war.
Let's go.
Lee Whitaker says, Hey Tim, VIP on Discord here.
I was fired from my 150k per year web dev job last week for not being woke.
Can you recommend a good lawyer?
Oh man.
I mean, America first legal.
I don't know the extent to which they take cases like this.
I honestly don't know.
Um, man, it's tough.
Sorry to hear it though, man.
phil labonte
That sucks, man.
tim pool
That's crazy.
You should go in the Discord and explain.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I want to hear the rest of the story.
tim pool
Maybe you should call in and tell the story.
We'll see if we can set something up and have you talk about what happened.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Angry Marsupial says, we lost our 10-year-old pup, Seven, suddenly today.
He was the seventh of our clan, joining us a year after Blending Families.
He was the glue we all had in common, and my IRL-watching buddy.
It's a very lonely tribute to my boy tonight.
Sorry to hear it.
hannah claire brimelow
That's a cute name.
Like if your puppy is like the seventh person.
tim pool
There was a sign not too far from here.
It said mini golden doodle puppies and the mini word just makes it a no.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
You want a big dog?
tim pool
Well it's not that I want a dog.
You know what I mean?
Like just like a regular one.
These miniature ones, the way I was thinking about it I'm like I don't want a dog that I have to protect. I want a dog
that'll protect me. You know, you get like a full-size golden doodle, you get a full-size
like poodle, like full poodles are actually hunting dogs. They're super smart. They're based
and they will defend you. But like a little miniature, a bird of prey is going to snatch
him up.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, especially if you have land, it's not, you know, you'd have to always be with the dog when it's outside.
phil labonte
That's a legitimate concern, actually.
tim pool
Yeah, there's gonna be, like, a security camera footage of a bird just swooping down and snatching him and flying away.
hannah claire brimelow
Have you seen those jackets they make for, like, chihuahuas with, like, spikes sticking out of them to, like, deter birds from picking them up?
tim pool
Geez, if a bird can eat your pet, you have a rodent.
That being said, there was a turtle walking around on the driveway earlier today.
And Chris found him.
And he's like, what do we do?
And he's like, holding this turtle that was probably like 15 years old, because it was like, decently big.
And I was like, bring him bring him to the pond, I guess.
And he's like, I don't know where he was like, what if he was going somewhere important, you know, like, he was late for a meeting.
Well, maybe he's got, like, he or she has family or something, you know what I mean?
And then it's like, he walks all the way over here to go back to where his eggs are, and we pick him up and then bring him all the way back?
Imagine how brutal that would be.
hannah claire brimelow
This is something I've heard about, uh, if you find, like, a bunch of kittens in the wild, like, if you're walking in the woods, there's a chance that the mom has left them, hidden them, so she can go hunt or whatever, and she's gonna come back.
So if you move them, the mom is now unable to find her kittens, and then it's, you know, they have to be with their mom to nurse and learn how to be a cat.
tim pool
This is one of the funniest ones, too.
Deer do this?
When people will often come across, like, a baby deer, and they'll go, oh no, it's been abandoned!
And then they'll take it and, like, do something with it, and it was like, the mom comes back, like, my child is gone.
Because the parent will, like, leave the child to go find food or something, and somewhere where the child, like, the baby deer is safe.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, the people are, like, well-intentioned, but actually kidnapping things that are okay.
tim pool
You ever see the video of the guy throwing the tortoise into the lake?
Well, he killed that thing!
Yep.
Yes.
Turtles and tortoises.
Very different.
matt kibbe
Central planners.
Bastards.
tim pool
That's really a great example of it, right?
The guy throwing a tortoise into a lake is basically these communists being like, trust me to run your government.
I love that meme where it's like a picture of a big fat guy who's like, I've never had a real job.
I live with my parents.
I've not actually read any news and I don't know anything about modern philosophies or industry.
phil labonte
And all kinds of mental illness and I'm on all these drugs.
tim pool
Yes, that too.
And now here's how I would fix the government.
matt kibbe
I feel like you're describing a U.S.
Senator right now.
tim pool
Probably.
matt kibbe
From Pennsylvania, maybe.
phil labonte
Let's go.
unidentified
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Cody Justin Fannin says, what I can't get past is that Trump didn't do anything in 2020 with the riots raging.
I still plan to vote for him, but it's in absence of a better candidate.
I wonder if he'll do anything when he wins.
I agree.
I think Trump has issues on foreign policy, but he did well, in my opinion.
Trump had hiring issues and did things poorly in a lot of ways, but what are you going to do?
Vote for Joe Biden?
Now I still think, and look, this may be sad to say, but Trump is the greatest president of my lifetime.
That's it.
I've lived through, technically, H.W.
Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, Obama, and now Trump.
And all of them gave us war.
Conflict and crisis.
And then Trump was slightly reversing that.
So what can I say?
He's better than the rest.
Certainly far from perfect, but I don't know what you're going to get with your president.
hannah claire brimelow
I just could never vote for Joe Biden.
That's a non-starter for me.
tim pool
What if he came out against Israel?
Would you then sacrifice literally all of the important things for this country and let communists take over the United States?
That's just so insane.
hannah claire brimelow
It's wild.
The thing is, Joe Biden is just not good.
He's just actually bad.
You can debate all the other stuff like that.
I want a president that doesn't trip up the stairs.
If we're going to go into international conflict, I want someone who seems, I don't know, not fragile.
tim pool
Let's see, the text vet says CS gas is what the military uses.
If you've seen the videos of the gas chamber from basic training, that's what it is.
CS gas is far worse than tear gas.
Well, what I can tell you is that in Ferguson, the canister said CS smoke on them.
So maybe smoke is a specific term, different from gas where it's got a lower concentration.
What I can tell you is, in Brazil, they do not F around.
I have been tear gassed quite a bit in the United States.
I was tear gassed in Turkey.
And let me tell you, tear gassed in the United States is barely tear gassed.
It's an irritant.
It's in the air.
You don't like it.
It hurts your eyes.
Yeah, yeah, whatever.
In Turkey, I'm impressed.
This stuff is pretty intense, but it's okay, you can manage through it.
Brazil?
Brazil was legit.
Okay, so, if I get tear gassed in the United States, typically New York does not use tear gas, and my understanding is the way their sewer system is designed, they try to avoid using it almost entirely, because it gets retained or something.
It would be bad for everybody else.
So they don't use it.
There are certain cities that I've been to in the US, Ferguson, for instance,
had what was referred to as CS smoke.
And it's an irritant and you're like, oh man, that's bad.
And that's about it.
Your eyes will water a little bit.
In Turkey, it was pretty intense.
And I was like hard to see and I'm like coughing.
I'm like, man, Brazil was such legit.
It must've been like military grade or something.
You had no choice.
When you got hit by this, just snot poured out your nose uncontrollably and your eyes were swollen red with tears pouring down your face.
And there's nothing you do about it.
There was no manning it up and bearing it.
You're just like, wow, I cannot stop the snot pouring out of my face.
So I took my sock and jammed it in my mouth so I could breathe.
And then someone was like, why didn't you use your hat?
And I was like, my hat was covered in tear gas.
Yeah, that was like a good question though.
But like the only part of like that I had that was small enough to actually try and use as some kind of filter was the sock in my in my shoe.
And it helped.
That was fun, by the way.
You know what I mean?
It's like it's exhilarating.
But I certainly don't recommend people go in situations where you have to endure stuff like that.
matt kibbe
I mean, it sounds fun.
tim pool
I mean, it's fun if you, like, Luke and I were doing this, uh, this interview with this guy who, like, worked with the Mexican government special police forces, and, uh, his, like, past career was, like, anti-cartel, super intense, but now he's, like, a special effects guy.
He's, like, semi-retired, and so when we were, like, let's talk, he kind of went over the top and he cracked a tear gas thing and threw it at us, and then we're in a small room with tear gas pouring out.
We never used the footage.
We were like, like, He was like, the idea was like, who could sit there the longest?
And we just both got up and we were like, whoa, dude.
Tear gassing us in a garage.
matt kibbe
This footage exists.
tim pool
I don't think it exists anymore.
This is 10 years ago.
But yeah, Luke and I sat in chairs and he cracked it open.
I didn't think he was going to do it.
And then he was like, here, look.
And I was like, wait, what?
And then we both got tear gassed and it was funny.
I think Luke got tased too.
I think he zapped.
Maybe I'm wrong.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Luke probably remembers better than I do.
matt kibbe
That explains something.
tim pool
Yeah.
That guy was cool, though.
hannah claire brimelow
Boys are wild.
tim pool
He was like a consultant for movies and special effects, because he had worked with police forces.
And it's a much safer job getting away from all that stuff.
But he had to wear a mask.
He had a cool mask.
It was like a devil mask.
He's like, I don't want the people that I've locked up to know who I am.
And it's like, if we're going to film something.
And I was like, OK.
Whatever.
That was cool.
I was in Miami.
Let's go.
The Mayor of Serious Town says, Tim, I know how badly you want to sell more coffee than Appalachian Nights.
A strong product pipeline is important, so I doubled my Appalachian Nights subscription and will do so every month until there's a Houston location.
So let's see, if you were doing one...
Now you're doing two.
Next month, you'll do four.
In three months, you'll have eight.
In four months, you'll have 16.
In five months, you'll have 32.
So, uh, let's see.
In six months, you'll have 64.
I think you're, uh, just gonna be our best customer.
hannah claire brimelow
I was gonna say, I think you just are the Houston location, then.
unidentified
I think you are the outpost of... Yeah, just give us the address.
tim pool
We'll send people to go buy Appalachian Nights, because I don't think you can drink all that coffee.
matt kibbe
All right, I'm a coffee snob, so I'm making an order right now, and I'll send notes.
tim pool
So it is a be so fun Appalachian nights. So when we first launched rise with Roberto Jr. It's a light
roast breakfast blend. And we put the roaster on it because we were like, this is it people,
you know, we're talking to people and they're like, they like like, light roast is kind of
the thing everybody drinks. Dark roast is getting popular, but light roast. And then we tried it.
And we we basically blended different things together for all these different plans that we
were making. And we're like, Okay, this one's good. We'll launch this one with our rooster
as our mascot as like our official go to. When we first launched that one was the one we were like,
get rise with the Bruno Jr.
It's got the rooster on it.
And then we have our Dark Rose 2, which is Appalachian Nights.
And then, it flipped.
Without even, like, all of a sudden we noticed our sales were like triple, double, quadruple.
People just keep reordering, choosing Appalachian Nights over everything else.
And I was like, oh, we got a good one.
So, it's cool.
It's like, we got one that was good.
You know?
matt kibbe
So start there.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Hollywood Catios says, I race a 60 mile an hour riding lawnmower.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
No money needed, but would love to wrap my new 100 mile an hour riding mower with your graphic to spread the word to the fair crowds we race in front of.
How do I get official approval?
SoCalMowerRacing.net.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, immediately Googling that.
tim pool
There's a really simple answer.
We used to just say, like, DM Ian or whatever, but he's not here.
I would say if you're a member in the Discord, send a message to one of the staff in the Discord.
I would love to put a TimCast rap on your riding mower.
That sounds awesome.
hannah claire brimelow
I cannot even believe this is a real thing.
I love America.
This is great.
tim pool
You ever see the log pulling things they do?
Like the tractor pulls or whatever?
unidentified
Yeah!
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I grew up, like, in rural Connecticut and they had, like, they'll do the logs or they'll have, like, oxen pull stuff.
If someone wraps their, like, oxen that's pulling at their county fair in a TimCast thing, I would die.
It'd be so funny.
tim pool
It's going to be wild once we get, so while we're building the Cast Brew shop in Martinsburg, the work behind the scenes for more locations around the country is currently underway.
So that's still in full swing and that's basically all of the, like whenever you buy Cast Brew, we're not pulling profits or pulling any money out of that.
I don't take a salary from the company or anything.
I think we only have one employee.
And the funding is going towards setting up the location and setting up the other locations.
It is going to be absolutely based when we're able to go, like, hey, there's a franchise location in, you know, Dubuque, Iowa, and we've got space there to do the show, and we're going to go do the show there, and we're going to be able to, like, just pop around and do this tour or something to the effect of a mini tour.
So that's really cool.
Someone super chatted saying they want to open one in Houston.
I'm like, imagine if We open this, and then we're able to go and actually do the show live from that location.
It'd be absolutely amazing.
Super cool stuff.
Coming in the future, coming in the future.
Polly Puree says, Ian, crying emoji, crying emoji, crying emoji, crying emoji.
Ian will be back, I think, next week.
He got lost.
We wanted to test his perspicacity, so we didn't give him the address.
And he's out there somewhere.
Probably in the woods.
But he'll figure it out.
We believe in him.
All right, where are we at?
Kenneth Hart says, I'm a commercial driver in PDX and spent three hours in traffic.
Trust me, there are plenty of cars.
The rich guys in the West, West Hills bought all downtown.
Boom, drugs criminalization.
The city is a blight and it has to be hard rebooted.
Well, good luck, sir.
hannah claire brimelow
Hard reboot sounds very terrifying, even if it is necessary.
tim pool
Have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?
I love that meme.
You ever see the meme where it's V from V for Vendetta wearing the headset?
And he's like, your government is doing what?
Have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?
Yep.
phil labonte
I wish it would work.
tim pool
Yeah.
I gotta be honest, though.
I would not plug it back in.
unidentified
I just... We'll figure it out.
Thanks.
tim pool
Have a nice day.
You know, sometimes you get a computer that's just not working.
You just don't.
You just unplug it.
You go get a new one.
You know?
Get a new one.
hannah claire brimelow
We just leave.
We cordon off Portland.
Let it be there for like 50 years.
Come back later when it's overgrown.
tim pool
Or build a wall around it.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, you know those pictures of old houses in Detroit where you'll walk in and there's actually a tree growing through it?
Like, it's sort of being rebooted in a sense.
tim pool
I love this meme.
Let me see if I can find it.
Yeah, this one was, uh... This is a classic one.
Here, look at this.
Fake tweet.
Donald J. Trump.
I'm building a wall around New Mexico, too.
I don't eat any New Mexicans.
I'm still trying to get rid of the old ones.
I wonder who made that up.
That was a good one.
New Mexicans.
Yep.
That was a funny one.
We'll grab some more Super Chats.
We can get a couple more in here.
What do we have?
Jasonaut says 20-year-olds have parents born in the 70s.
That's Gen X. Correct.
And 20-year-olds are Gen Z. Millennials are nearing 40 years old.
So, Millennials, and so it comes and goes in waves.
There are the bulk of Boomers, and the majority of the children of Boomers are Millennials, but there are Boomers who have Gen Z kids, and there are Gen Xers who have Millennial kids as well.
Typically, however, Gen Xers have Gen Z kids, and Boomers have Millennial kids.
So I think Boomers are fantastic, actually.
I think poor old Gen X. They're kind of a lost generation, but not in a bad way.
Just that they did some good stuff.
It's whatever.
Phil's Gen X. He's got some good stuff going on.
But for the most part, people are just like, you didn't really rock the boat all that much.
You did some good stuff.
I think Smashing Pumpkins or Gen X, we like them.
I don't know, are there like... Yeah, Gen X did some pretty good stuff.
phil labonte
I mean, all the grunge music was all Gen X stuff, you know.
tim pool
Yeah, Creed, were they Gen X?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Boomers gave us Star Trek The Next Generation, and for that they shall be given a golden trophy for all of time, and be heralded as the greatest generation in the history of mankind.
But there are many Boomers who are bad, and they get to be called out.
But you've redeemed yourselves, because no matter who you are or where you are, Boomer, just know, it was a Boomer who made Star Trek The Next Generation.
phil labonte
Good for you.
tim pool
It was a bunch of them, actually.
And that is the best show ever made.
Period.
matt kibbe
It's inspiring.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right, here we go.
Triton 54.
He got the reference.
Bad religion.
I don't know how to live, but I got a lot of toys.
My daddy's a lazy middle class intellectual.
My mommy's on Valium, so ineffectual.
Ain't life a mystery?
21st century digital boy.
phil labonte
That's it.
tim pool
Yep.
That says it.
They nailed it.
That was a long time ago, right?
When did they write that?
Like 2000 or something?
Yeah.
21st century digital boy.
phil labonte
If it wasn't the 90s, it was it was the early 2000s.
tim pool
My daddy's a lazy middle class intellectual.
Mommy's on Valium, so ineffectual.
Yep.
Shannon says, Tim, Gen Z men are conservative, but Gen Z women are queer and more likely to be trans.
This is true.
But as I've mentioned before, men don't have the same pressures as women.
There's apparently like Halle Berry has a video where she's screaming, I'm going through menopause.
Did you see that?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, because she was on Congress at the Hill today lobbying for more menopause research.
tim pool
Yeah, like, men don't have this, and so conservative guys, these Gen Z guys are going to be in their 30s, and they're going to be, you know, dating or whatever, and they're going to meet a woman, and she's going to be like, well, you know, I'm progressive.
He's going to go, okay, have a nice day.
He's going to get up, and she's going to be like, no, wait, why?
He's going to be like, I'm not dating a progressive leftist.
The guy has no, it's not going to have any pressure to have a family, whereas these women who are in their 30s are literally being told by their doctors, like, well, if you want to have a family, you better do it now.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think doctors love them too.
Doctors and celebrities are like, well, we'll see.
If you spend money with me freezing your eggs, we can pretend this isn't real.
tim pool
Yeah, but that's also the point.
The doctor's going to say, well, if you want to have a kid naturally, you better do it now.
We can freeze your eggs.
And I just think even if it's 1%, 2%, 3% of women, many of them are going to be shifting their political views because they're going to realize that it's rough for them.
hannah claire brimelow
And I would love to see data on political engagement based on gender.
Like I, this is, you know, I know we know that young people tend to look at politics as a social cause.
And so there's a certain level of like they're doing it to be viewed as valuable by their peers.
But I almost wonder if women are more likely to be less politically engaged than men.
We know that viewership for political shows skews towards men.
And so like, of the like, woke feminist, you know, Alex Jones is Gen X. Okay, well, Gen X, you got that one.
that Gen Z has, like how many of them are actually dedicated cause and how much are
like, yeah, I guess, and are actually much more almost independent in a way.
tim pool
All right. So final thought, someone chatted, Alex Jones is Gen X. Okay, well,
Gen X, you got that one. I'll give you that one. If you haven't already, would
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It's how we fund the show.
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Tomorrow, I'm flying out to Mar-a-Lago.
We'll see how that goes.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you going to come back orange?
tim pool
Maybe.
Maybe.
And so this is going to be fun.
It'll be my first time there.
And then we're working on setting up the show for the Libertarian Convention.
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matt kibbe
Make sure to follow Free the People on X, everything else.
X is my favorite because we get to publish whatever we want.
Producing a lot of comedy, as I mentioned earlier.
You can find it on X and like our stuff.
phil labonte
Right on.
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tim pool
The link is in the description below.
phil labonte
Yes, it is.
That's it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you have to go to the link immediately.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, that's Scanner News.
I'm so glad to see Matt again.
It's been a little while since you were on the show.
You should follow all of Scanner's work at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
They're great.
Like I said, Chris Berman makes me laugh every single day.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Bye, Serge!
unidentified
Peace!
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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