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Democrats and Republicans have passed the anti-Semitism bill, which basically says,
Hey look, anti-Semitism is already a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
So these schools got to start enforcing this.
It basically reiterates what's already existing in executive order, but codifies it in law.
The problem?
Thomas Massey points out the definition of antisemitism doesn't actually exist in the bill.
It just refers to a website with a long list of things it defines as antisemitism.
Now, I suppose where it gets bad, where it gets worse, is if they decide to change the definition of antisemitism at another time.
Some have construed this as direct criticism of Israel being considered antisemitism because it says that if you call the creation or maintenance of Israel racist, that is antisemitism itself.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, violent clashes erupted last night and in the early hours of the morning as pro-Israel and, or maybe not even necessarily pro-Israel, but counter-protesters to the pro-Hamas group at UCLA started fighting when the counter-protesters came in and started ripping down their barricades.
The protesters started resisting, and they all started fighting each other.
Then the police came in, bunch of arrests, and of course the NYPD now confirming.
Yeah, the people who took over that building in New York, They mostly weren't even students, so I can't say I'm surprised.
Some news outlets have identified some of the paid agitators who were actually there.
And then, of course, James O'Keefe has a massive expose, a CIA agent claiming, bragging about how they intentionally subverted Donald Trump, refused to provide him with intelligence so he could not act upon it because they claim he's a Russian.
So we'll talk about that.
And then, in good news, a bunch of these frat boys defended the American flag from the far-left extremists.
They've now raised over $200,000 on behalf of these young men to throw a rager, I guess, to support them and their frat because they stood up for the American flag.
It's a heartwarming story in the face of all of this anger and violence, so we'll talk about that.
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Joining us tonight is Lisa Reynolds.
lisa reynolds
Hi, everybody.
Happy to be back.
Cool, new studio.
tim pool
Yeah, Lisa's actually filling in.
So for those that are wondering, Matt Gaetz was originally scheduled, but Congress stuff happens, and it happens all the time.
This is why we usually don't like to announce well in advance when we're having guests, because especially members of Congress.
But we're big fans of Matt Gaetz.
Shout out to his work.
He was unable to make it tonight, but Lisa's filling in.
lisa reynolds
I'm Matt tonight, so.
tim pool
You're Matt.
lisa reynolds
I'm at.
tim pool
So what do you do?
I think everybody knows you.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, everybody pretty much knows me.
I basically book for your show, The Culture War.
Tune in on Fridays at 10 a.m.
We've got some really cool stuff coming up, actually, down the pipeline.
tim pool
But you've also worked on the Hill.
lisa reynolds
I have.
I worked on the Hill for 12 years, right?
And I worked in Middle East foreign policy for two years, too.
People forget that, so.
tim pool
That's actually kind of convenient you're here.
lisa reynolds
Yeah.
tim pool
Because everyone's going to complain about AIPAC now, and then we'll get to hear about what was really going on behind the scenes.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I actually helped write the policy that defunded UNRWA back in 2018 for the Trump administration.
Not a lot of people know that, but... Oh, wow.
Yeah.
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All right.
tim pool
We got Phil hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All The Hermanes.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
What's going on, Hannah-Claire?
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
I'm really happy to be back.
Hi, Serge!
phil labonte
Hello.
tim pool
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Yes, I am.
tim pool
Yeah.
Your mic... Oh, are you gonna... I already did that at school.
All right.
Well, let's just jump to the story then.
Here it is, ladies and gentlemen, from NBC News.
House passes anti-Semitism bill with broad bipartisan support amid campus arrests.
The Anti-Semitism Awareness Act would require the Education Department to adopt the definition of anti-Semitism used by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.
Oh boy, wow.
It passed with 320 to 91.
21 Republicans and 70 Democrats voted against the legislation.
I'm actually surprised.
phil labonte
Me too.
tim pool
To see as many Democrats vote against it.
I'm not surprised by the Republicans, but the Democratic Party is pushing very heavily away from Israel, so I guess it's not really that surprising.
They say the bill, titled the Antisemitism Awareness Act, would mandate that the Education Department adopt the broad definition of antisemitism used by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, an intergovernmental group to enforce anti-discrimination laws.
The international group defines antisemitism as a certain perception of Jews which may be expressed as hatred towards Jews.
I mean, that's actually very vague.
The group adds that rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism Include such things as calling for the killing or harming of Jews or holding Jews collectively responsible for actions taken by the State of Israel.
I mean, some of these things are fair, right?
The problem is, I'll just, we have the bill pulled up.
I'll throw it to Thomas Massey.
He says, today the House will vote on a bill to define anti-Semitism with the intent to increase prosecutions of activity on campuses.
The bill has a problem beyond violating the First Amendment.
The definition of anti-Semitism appears nowhere in the bill.
To find the legally adopted definition of antisemitism, one must go to the website below.
Not only is the definition listed here, but one also finds specific examples of antisemitic speech.
Are those examples made part of the law itself?
Do you agree with all of these examples of antisemitism?
Should people in America be prosecuted for saying these things in all contexts?
I think not.
This is a poorly conceived, unconstitutional bill, and I will vote no.
Well, Here we are.
The bill is passed, and a few important things to point out.
It says, Title 6 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, etc., etc.
They go on to mention that there's already, I think, here we go.
On December 11, 2019, Executive Order 13899 extended protections against discrimination under the 1964 Civil Rights Act to individuals subjected to anti-Semitism on college and university campuses and tasked federal agencies to consider the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism when enforcing the Title VI of such Act.
Now, that's under Donald Trump!
What we have here, I'll pull up Matt Walsh.
Here's how he puts it.
The vast majority of Republicans just voted for a bill to criminalize criticisms of the Israeli government.
If the bill passes, you will be guilty of hate speech if you apply double standards to the government of Israel or accuse it of genocide.
This is honestly one of the most insane pieces of legislation I have ever seen.
A few examples, and then we'll just jump into it.
And some of these, I think, are okay.
It's like some of these are calling for aiding or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of an ideology.
Like, yeah, okay, I get that.
The ones that Matt brings up, denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.
That's actually pretty wild to say you are in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act if you think Israel is racist.
I mean, that's an opinion on a state government to say applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Now look, I rag on people with what I describe as Israel derangement syndrome, but I think it's fair.
For people to have concerns, like, if you are critical or concerned with one government or one issue, that's not wrong.
You're allowed to care about, you know, I made the joke earlier, can we talk about Myanmar instead?
You're allowed to only care about the Philippines.
You're allowed to only care about Japan.
You're allowed to only care about the United States.
It's actually pretty crazy that they're trying to say that's anti-Semitism.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism to characterize Israel or Israelis, Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
This is literally saying, criticizing Israel's policies and drawing comparisons to the Nazis.
This would be a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act under this new law.
phil labonte
So, two things, right?
First of all, hate speech is protected speech by the First Amendment.
Like, you can hate, right?
And you don't need new laws to wrap up every single one of those moron commies for trespassing.
Like, none of that, none of that is, like you can wrap every single one of them up and throw them in jail.
You don't need a new law.
You don't need a new law.
You don't need something that Congress passes.
You don't need a law that is unquestionably in violation of the First Amendment.
lisa reynolds
You know the reason they're doing it, right?
Like, you know why this bill was even put forth.
It's for Republicans to message on the bill, like, hey, Jews out there, we're here, we support you, left or right, right?
And it's the Democrats that aren't.
And so what we're going to do is we're going to force it to be on Biden to say, you know, yes or no or whatever, and try to put him in a Put him in a corner, or put this administration in a corner, and like, we're the people that are doing something.
It's a messaging bill, which that's why I was surprised it wasn't a resolution, it was an actual bill.
But that's what it's for.
It's horrible.
tim pool
It already accomplishes the political goal.
70 Democrats voted against it.
And the funny thing is, I don't agree with why they voted against it, which is the funny thing, because they have ideological reasons for doing so.
But it was right to vote against it, so I'll take it.
And now, Democrats are going to be.
Look, I will tell you this.
MSNBC and Fox News are aligned.
This is the funniest thing imaginable.
I'm seeing tweets from Morning Joe that are like these anti-Israel protesters.
And then I turn on Fox News and they're like these anti-Israel protesters are so it was.
It's crazy when on Fox News.
So you had these clashes last night, in the early hours of the morning, where anti-Hamas, pro-Israel groups are tearing down the fortifications of the far-left groups.
And the phrasing of Fox News is that these people were simply defending their community.
And I'm like, it's fascinating that two groups are fighting at a university.
And I get it, the far-left took land, they barred people from entering, they were blocking students from getting in.
But my point is not to say that Fox is wrong or to get into the moral argument.
It's that MSNBC and Fox agree.
That blew my mind!
And now you've got bipartisan support for this bill.
Amazing.
hannah claire brimelow
See, that just makes me nervous, right?
When our politicians and our media are all lining up behind something, I feel like we should be concerned about it.
In this case, I really do think that this is obviously a violation of the First Amendment.
I mean, I think that hate speech laws are already usually a violation of the First Amendment.
I can understand the intention to be like, we want to protect people and we want people to feel like they're not being targeted.
But this, I think, is a complete misstep on Congress's part.
And the thing is, If we pass bills that were like, well, this is the, you know, you can't say things against white people.
You can't say things against, you know, this group and this group, whatever.
It seems sort of ridiculous and redundant.
I don't think that we should be singling out ethnic groups like this when we already have laws in the book that protect people from potential violence.
lisa reynolds
It's redundant, but it's the same thing with the BLM stuff, and everything's racist.
Now it's like everything's anti-Semitic.
You can't have a conversation.
And it's not everything, but a lot of things have been turning into that, like the Christ is King thing.
People have been saying that for a really long time.
Now, yes, some people will use it to piss off Jews.
Okay, fine.
These words have existed this way forever, and it's not anti-semitic if somebody's a church and they're like, you know, Christ is King.
hannah claire brimelow
And I just don't feel comfortable with the idea that we would be like, well, you can't criticize this one country's government.
This country's an exception.
Criticize everyone else, but not this one.
Partially because I think that list would grow.
There are certain countries that are allowed to operate without criticism, and that's not free speech.
tim pool
I'm gonna need some help from the audience on this one.
Maybe someone in the room can help me.
Is there any other policy, any law that was enacted that says you can't criticize the policy decisions of another nation by comparing it to the Nazis?
Like, is there a bill anywhere that says, like, you can't claim the Japanese are like the Nazis or something?
phil labonte
Not that I can think of.
tim pool
Okay, because the point is then, we have a double standard.
phil labonte
Of course.
tim pool
So, I just love this, okay?
It says, from Matt Walsh, this is from the IHRA, applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation, and also drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of Nazis.
That's...
It's almost oxymoronic.
It's contradictory.
And I suppose that means this bill itself is anti-Semitic.
Because it is requiring a standard of Israel that you cannot criticize them if you cannot criticize their policies to that of the Nazis, but you could for literally any other nation.
That's a double standard.
That's requiring something of Israel that no other nation is subjected to.
So this bill itself is actually anti-Semitic.
hannah claire brimelow
Makes sense to me.
I mean, the thing is, I am wary of definitions created by a special interest group that are the main core tenet of a bill like this, right?
lisa reynolds
That's almost all bills, though, just so you know.
hannah claire brimelow
I know it, but that doesn't mean I can't be critical of it, right?
Like, obviously, anyone who is specifically here to represent the groups of special interest, totally fine.
That might be your right as a lobbying group or whatever, but I think every senator or any congressman who is like, well, we should just go with it, that seems like they don't serve their people.
lisa reynolds
So it was Candace that was just on with that Rabbi Barclay, right?
Who, by the way, I had an hour and a half conversation with him a couple days ago, honestly.
And in that conversation, though, he said that the definition of anti-Semitism is changeable, and it morphs, and it changes over time, and people use it in different ways.
You know, I understand what he was saying in that, you know, that people do different things now and say different things, but it's still out of their hatred for the Jews.
Fine.
But, like, if all these groups are saying that the definition is morphing all the time, then anything can be anti-Semitic, and that's not alright.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like gender, you know?
That changes all the time, too.
tim pool
I'm gonna need some help from Christians.
This one confused me.
It says, using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism, e.g.
phil labonte
claims of Jews killing Jesus, The Romans killed Jesus, that's why.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
lisa reynolds
But why did the Romans... But the Jews turned them in.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, but what they're going to say, the explanation that they're going to say, the answer is going to say the Romans killed them and it wasn't the actual Jews that did it.
tim pool
Okay, if we're talking about the technicality of it, like it's funny, my understanding Is that the belief of Christians is that the Jewish leaders in the region basically said, of the Romans, he's a blasphemer and he should be held criminally liable for this.
And then I believe it was Pontius Pilate, he came out and said, okay, you can choose to free one person.
Uh, was it Barabbas?
phil labonte
Yeah, the murderer.
tim pool
The murderer, or Jesus, and they're like, the murderer, not him!
And so then, like, Jesus was lashed, and then, if I'm wrong about that, I just don't know.
It's my general understanding.
So, the interpretation by, actually I think of Vivek Ramaswamy, A fake Vivek Ramaswamy, actually, not the real one, responded, saying it criminalizes a simple aspect of reading the Bible under the guise of combating anti-Semitism.
Because I assume this is correct.
The interpretation of many Christians is that it was the Jewish leaders who orchestrated the death of Jesus.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, this is what Matt Gaetz is saying.
If you have his tweet available, I can send it to you if you want.
He says the gospel itself would meet the definition— Which one of his accounts?
tim pool
RepMcGates?
hannah claire brimelow
RepMcGates.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, he quotes the Bible in his secondary tweet on that, too.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he says the gospel itself would meet the definition of anti-Semitism under the terms of
this bill, right? Like, this bill—you know, I think part of it is the pressure that these protests
are putting on lawmakers to act and have some sort of grandiose grandstanding where they're like—the
same thing with Harvard when they finally, you know, let Claudine Gay go, pretending it wasn't
for what we all know it was for.
They were like, but we're going to keep the antisemitism task force because, you know, we're taking it seriously if we formed a bureaucratic task force to deal with something.
That's how you know.
tim pool
So we have this.
This is the tweet from Matt Gaetz.
He says, this evening I will vote against the ridiculous hate speech bill called the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.
And now you know why he couldn't be here.
So, shout out to Matt Gaetz.
We're big fans.
He's the best member of Congress, in my opinion.
Thomas Massey is up there, too.
And we disagree on things, but Thomas Massey is pretty great.
Anti-Semitism is wrong, but this legislation is written without regard for the Constitution.
He says the gospel itself would meet the definition of anti-Semitism under the terms of this bill.
He goes on to say, Acts 4.10, Be it known to you all and to all the people of Israel
that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead,
by him this man is standing before you well.
Then you have Thessalonians 2.14-16, for you suffered the same things,
I'm skipping through a little bit, for you suffered the same things from your own countrymen
as they did from the Jews who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and Acts 3.14-15,
you denied the holy and righteous one and asked for a murderer to be granted to you
and killed the author of life, whom God raised from the dead, to this we are witnesses.
Now, I am not stating that.
I'm simply reading Bible passages from a member of Congress who is saying this bill would make the Bible itself an act of anti-Semitism.
And so what?
Now if you go to the university and you read those passages, they could charge you or fine you under the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
Would this mean that at these universities, if a professor reads these passages, the university is now in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
I gotta be completely honest.
If that's the case, then the Qur'an is banned as well.
Because the Qur'an says much, much more than this.
We were talking about this the other night.
The Qur'an has numerous statements.
And don't get me started on the Hadith.
The Hadith would not be allowed anywhere.
So, this bill...
hannah claire brimelow
And it would disproportionately affect Christian universities, right?
If you're an explicit Christian university that's part of, you know, the course curriculum as well as, you know, student code of conduct or whatever else, like, there is a probable chance that you're more likely than just any university to quote these kinds of passages and therefore be, you know, in the crosshairs of the Department of Education, which, you know, if we re-elect Joe Biden would go after you.
lisa reynolds
The good thing is it's unlikely to get through the Senate and actually pass the Senate.
tim pool
You think?
lisa reynolds
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Really?
lisa reynolds
Yeah, because everybody's going to be talking about it, and it's a violation, and then if anybody gets charged under it, it'll go to the Supreme Court.
I just think that they're going to hold it for a while, maybe not even bring it to the floor, not get it out of markup, and I just don't see it going through.
tim pool
I wouldn't be surprised if every Republican starts virtue signaling, saying, we must pass this bill, And try to put pressure on Democrats because the goal, as you said, is a messaging bill to make it look like Democrats won't support the Jewish community.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, I could see that.
But like, I still don't think it's going to.
I just have a feeling that it's not going to make it through.
I think that that would be egregious.
That's just me, though.
tim pool
Or if it did, would Biden sign it?
phil labonte
I mean, I feel like he would kind of have to, because that's the point of the bill and the voting bloc that he's courting now, currently, with the policies that they're kind of pushing for.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and he can't be the president that, you know, made the economy terrible, banned TikTok, and then voted against the anti-Semitism bill.
Like, there's no way even his advisors can see that that messaging is bad.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, that's probably true.
hannah claire brimelow
Even though this bill is bad, and I think he shouldn't sign it.
I just want to be clear on that.
lisa reynolds
I think Republicans know it's a bad bill.
They wanted to get the message out.
They got the message out.
They put them on the defensive.
And that's all they really need.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's a stupid risk to take, honestly.
I get what you're saying.
I totally agree with you.
I think that is part of it.
They want to be the ones who are like, look, we're on your side.
Vote for us.
But I just think it's, you know, stupid to put forward bills that are bad, that hurt your First Amendment protections, and just pass it off as like, oh, well, we wanted to seem like we were on the right side of history.
No thank you.
lisa reynolds
But it is working.
I mean, when I go out with James and we're like filming people on the street, I've run into Jewish people in Philadelphia and they're like, we hate Trump, we hate Trump, but what's going on with Israel?
We're gonna vote for him.
tim pool
Michael Rapoport.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Look at this guy.
I mean, he was so into making videos hating Trump, he made fun of himself for making fun of Trump so much.
That's how much he was, and now he's like, Voting for pig-dick Donald Trump is on the table!
I'll tell you why!
And then he goes to Israel and he's filming all this stuff.
I mean, this dude's pissed about what these people are doing.
Let's jump to this next story and we'll give some examples of what's going on.
From the AP, violence, chaos erupts on campuses as protesters and counter-protesters clash over the war in Gaza.
So, counter-protesters forcefully attacked a pro-Palestinian encampment at the University of California Los Angeles early Wednesday.
An activist clashed with police officers who destroyed their tents at the University of Wisconsin in Madison as part of a series of escalating violence on some college campuses over the war in Gaza.
Fifteen people were injured during the UCLA confrontation, including one person who was hospitalized, according to the president of the University of California system.
The chaotic scenes unfolded Wednesday after police burst into a building occupied by anti-war protesters.
Pause.
Anti-war?
I'm not accepting that.
Leftists, communist protesters at Columbia University, many of which weren't even students, breaking up a demonstration that had paralyzed the school.
Now, the funny thing is, I gotta mention this, there's a tweet I think is from Cenk Uygur, and he's like, it was these violent pro-Israel groups that came and attacked the peaceful protesters, and I was like, I just love this.
I love this so much.
Okay, so here's what happens.
A group of people slowly start settling on land that doesn't belong to them and then decide they're going to put up barricades to keep the people who originally were using that space out.
Then, the people who were originally there get angry and fight back, trying to tear down the barricades, attacking those who are now occupying that land.
And the irony is lost on all of them.
It was funny though, I got some tweets and they're like, that sounds like Hamas, and I'm like, you figured it out, huh?
So the pro-Palestine group takes over the school grounds, put up barricades, and were barring people from getting in unless you supported their cause, then they would give you a wristband.
Nope, they read wristbands.
So a bunch of Jewish students were like, no, I won't support that, you can't come in.
hannah claire brimelow
New York's hottest club is...
tim pool
And they're like, no, they want you in. So a bunch of these kids got mad. And they formed a group and
they showed up in the morning and they started tearing down the barricades. They started picking
up the metal barricades, pulling, pulling things down when the pro Hamas side and I'm not going to
mince words. This is the it's the pro Hamas side started resisting. Then I believe it's fair to say
I don't know who started what but I believe from the videos I've seen, it was the the counter
demonstrators who started attacking the pro Hamas group.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, it looked that way to me.
I heard from a reporter that was on the ground that they were all really cool.
They were just like a bunch of people that were either harassed earlier in the day that came back because they were pissed about what happened.
He said there were some Israelis, but they were a lot of just kids that got harassed earlier in the day that didn't want to be a part of it and that were sick of it, that just wanted You know, class to go on.
tim pool
I just say don't go start fights.
Like, the police needed to go in and deal with this from the get-go, and this happens because the cops refuse to do anything.
lisa reynolds
Did you see them throw a firework in there?
tim pool
They threw it into the ground?
lisa reynolds
They threw it over and into the ground.
That's dangerous.
tim pool
I think it was Cassandra who said this.
It looks like a pro-Israel Antifa faction and an anti-Israel Antifa faction fighting each other with Antifa tactics.
And I was like, it does.
hannah claire brimelow
It really does.
lisa reynolds
That's who these people are.
You can't deny that these same people were the same people that are in this camp, were the same people that were marching with BLM.
phil labonte
Of course they were.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
It's already been reported.
But even then, some of these, some of the people who are there who are who are paid organizers are well known.
Like I was saying the other night, we call them the tourists at Occupy Wall Street.
New York Post reported on one woman, and we'll make her infamous, I guess.
Not that I want to give her attention or anything, but she was well-known during Occupy.
Her name is Lisa Fithian.
And they reported she's appeared in Turkey as well, organizing protests.
And you wonder how it is that these people are involved in international protest movements and organizations, and they're getting paid to do it.
Someone's funding this.
Outside of what she does, which is like activist trainings and things like that, so they report, There are a handful of other people who have been to China, of all places, who are in Ukraine, who are in a bunch of these places, who are in Venezuela and Brazil, and we call them the tourists.
Some people speculate they're Feds.
I don't know that they're Feds.
Some people think they're CIA, because, you know, they're going off into foreign lands and fomenting revolution and things like that.
I don't know that I agree with that.
I don't know.
All I know is it's funny to see activists in the United States training people to protest, how to avoid legal consequence, and then it's like, oh, by the way, that person was also in China doing the same thing.
This person was also in Turkey.
That person was in Brazil.
And you're like, that's kind of weird.
You know what I mean?
What are these?
What's going on here?
I will say, however, I don't know that this clash right now, this is like, when you get
general pro-Trump versus anti-Trump factions fighting in the street, I get worried about
how far this could escalate.
But really with like the Israel issue, I don't even think it registers in the top 10 for
the average voter.
So it's like the people who are fighting the pro-Hamas side were just people who were barred
from their school by this, you know, leftist communist faction.
I don't see this spreading or escalating into street violence beyond that.
Maybe with cops.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think it is really centralized at the universities.
And I think the average voter, this may not be a pressing issue, but it is for young voters.
And they are having differing levels of effectiveness.
You know, Brown University agreed, the pro-Palestine protesters agreed to break down their encampment because the Brown University board agreed to vote on divesting from Israel.
You know, theoretically, the board could be like, and we're not going to do it, and they'll bring back the protest.
But they are having, you know, they did get at least a vote.
There is some forward progress there.
I think it's a weird stance for people to be in because it's a foreign war that is really captivating the hearts and minds of young progressive leftists, and it's splitting them from older Democrats who they would have, you know, especially at these Ivy League universities, these were their job connections, these were their, you know, future employment, and so it hurts the Democratic Party more than anybody else. And I
think that's why I think, at a certain level, I'm sort of like, just let them fight it out. Obviously,
violence is bad. You want to be careful of that. I think the universities have a right to
kick people off their protesting.
I think the protesters have a right to protest. But it's contained really to what I think of as
the heart and soul of progressive academia, elite universities across the country.
I don't really see this breaking out, you know, in the middle of a major city at random over the summer.
lisa reynolds
Not now, maybe a couple of years down the road, but like Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations,
like I think that's inevitably where we'll go.
But these teachers, the professors, are lining up arms and arms with like orange vests on,
and they're participating in this.
I saw some professor that was tweeting out, I think it was Brown or Columbia or something,
but she was like, they can't do this, this is, you know, stay strong or whatever.
like these teachers are escalating the situation.
They're not calming it down.
They're not making it better.
Like, I want to know what happens to the professors that are egging this on, that are actively participating.
Are they gonna, are they gonna be fired?
hannah claire brimelow
And I want to know how many are tenured, you know?
How many of them are theoretically impossible to remove from the position?
lisa reynolds
But you're like committing crimes!
tim pool
You're, you're trust- They don't want to, uh, the teachers, they've fought, they've They fire, it's going to be difficult to replace, and then they have to worry about losing customers.
And they don't want to have their customers arrested.
They're just trying to figure out how to maximize their revenue streams.
So the problem right now with UCLA and these other universities is, if the protests come to the point where people stop wanting to come to the school, you lose money.
But if you arrest and remove or expel these students, you lose money too.
So they've got to do that cost-benefit analysis.
If we expel 100 students right now, how much do we lose?
If we let them keep doing whatever they want, do we lose less?
hannah claire brimelow
And how many people will decide not to apply to our school if we get labeled the one that was anti-Palestine?
tim pool
None of the Jewish ones.
hannah claire brimelow
US News and World Report always puts out this ranking of colleges every year, and part of it has to do with enrollment and how many students choose to stay at the schools.
If you suspend all of these students who are actively participating, but then the other ones who weren't actively participating but are going to take a holier-than-thou stance and say, actually, I believe in this issue 100%, so I'm going to transfer away from your school, you could see a real shift in how these universities are valued by the system that they rely on to maintain their dominance in education.
lisa reynolds
But they also care about their endowments, and the endowment money isn't coming from... That's true.
tim pool
It's coming from, like, what, Bill Ackman?
lisa reynolds
Yeah, like, it's not coming from the pro-Palestinian side, right?
tim pool
It's coming from the pro-Israel side, so... I think Bill Ackman just gave ten grand to those frat boys who defended the flag.
lisa reynolds
Yeah.
tim pool
So he's basically throwing his money down on the other side.
Because he was woke before, wasn't he?
Was that his story?
lisa reynolds
Lefty, at least.
tim pool
Look, I'm down.
It's fine.
I'm not a fan of the anti-Semitism bill because it's vague and it conflates criticizing a government with anti-Semitism.
phil labonte
Just because it violates the First Amendment.
Easy enough.
It's not like I advocate hating people, but if you have a beef with people, you have the right to hate.
It's not good to be like that, but that's part of being a free person, you know?
tim pool
I'm thinking mathematically.
Right?
The sum result of what's going on is going to be more and more people realizing DEI, wokeness, and this far-left stuff is bad.
And I don't care why they come to that conclusion.
There are a lot of people who are like, oh, only now, because Israel is being targeted, these people realize DEI is bad.
When they were the ones attacking the cops, I'm like, don't care.
I'm going to walk right up to them, reach a hand out, and say, welcome to the fight.
True.
That's the lesson from Occupy Wall Street that I love to tell where there were two black dudes talking.
One guy was yelling at the other guy saying, why are you here with these white kids?
They don't know nothing about our struggle and you're going to help them?
And the other guy just said to him, he's like, oh, you don't understand, man.
Now they get it.
Now they see what we've been talking about.
So I reach out my hand and say, welcome to the fight.
And now they're standing with me, not the other way around.
I respect it.
I'm like a hundred percent.
If Bill Ackman or anyone else is now being like, whoa, is this what universities were doing?
My response is, let me show you more.
Because once you start to dig down to the rabbit hole, you're going to realize just how bad it is.
lisa reynolds
I agree.
tim pool
A lot of people didn't believe it.
And a lot of people on the issue of Israel, it smacked them in the face.
Michael Rapaport is my favorite example.
He's a funny guy.
He's a funny guy.
He's in the new Fallout show.
I like his work.
And he's just, he hates Trump with a passion.
Then he sees what's going on with these people, and now he's digging deeper and looking into more of what they've been doing and going, whoa, I didn't know that.
So the door's been opened.
Let him do it.
hannah claire brimelow
I think so much of this is actually, you know, some of it is driving people to Trump because they see him as, you know, a better option, but I think it's also just driving a lot of voters away from Biden.
You know, I've referenced a couple times, but I've been listening to interviews with young progressive activists, you know, 1920, and there are, you know, a fair number that will say, well, I'm not going to vote at all.
Some of them are saying they'll vote for Trump as a protest against Biden because they think he's so awful now.
You know, Democrats who have prided themselves on being the recipient of the youth vote for so long, they're so good at motivating young people, they just have hit an issue that I do not think they can navigate past.
And I think, to a certain extent, they're trying to close their eyes and just rush November as soon as possible because they know there's really no way to Reach out to the students who are saying, hey, Israel is the aggressor in this war.
Israel's doing the wrong thing and win them back over with Biden sort of standing on both sides and putting up a port, but we're not boots on the ground.
Like, there's no saving the messaging here.
tim pool
I think sort of the funny thing here is between MAGA and the far left, There is only one faction you could actually convince to support Israel.
The MAGA faction, many of them already do, just outright support Israel, and would absolutely, despite being America First, many of them are like, no, but Israel, I would agree with funding, many for religious reasons.
However, I would say most of the people who are America First and pro-Trump, or a large portion, maybe the plurality, are like, I don't want to fund foreign wars, I don't want to fund foreign governments, let's secure our borders.
But if you go to them and you say something like, look at what's going on, and you make an argument, there is a possibility some of them might be like, okay, fine, I guess.
Whereas the far left will never.
So if the deep state wants to maintain their military policies in the Middle East, pertaining to Israel especially, you can't go left.
There's no argument at all.
It's just not gonna happen.
I mean, Trump supporters are not setting up encampments and taking over cities because of funding bills.
They're complaining about it on the Internet.
So it's like you pick your poison, Deep State.
You can get behind Donald Trump, who you hate and can't stand.
But you get a little bit of your military policy.
You go with the left, and they're going to occupy cities, they're going to build parks, and they're going to defy your interests.
I suppose they can go the other way and just ban TikTok, though.
That's kind of their plan, right?
lisa reynolds
Yeah, I guess.
tim pool
Inhibit the political opinions?
Well, I'm going to jump to the story.
This is a post from Nate Silver.
For most people, politics is about fitting in.
lisa reynolds
True.
tim pool
And this breaks it down wonderfully.
He has polling data on the top issues.
Out of 16 issues, what number do you think Israel-Palestine is?
Any guesses?
phil labonte
Seventy-five.
tim pool
One through sixteen.
Sixteen.
phil labonte
Sixteen.
tim pool
Fifteen.
phil labonte
Fifteen, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I think abortion is sixteen.
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
No, I could be wrong.
I don't know.
Let me check.
unidentified
Is it?
tim pool
Student debt, sorry.
No, I was wrong.
Yeah, women's reproductive rights actually a little bit higher on that one.
But inflation among eighteen to twenty-nine-year-olds, sixty-four percent.
Isn't that crazy?
phil labonte
That's really actually a white pill because young people being aware of what the government is doing to the value of the money that they're making is important because the biggest problem that we have, I don't care what anyone says about Israel or whatever, the biggest problem we have is our unfunded liabilities.
Medicare and Medicaid, those things will actually destroy the dollar.
They will destroy the country.
It doesn't matter what happens in Israel with Gaza and with Israel at all to us.
You're absolutely right.
If the dollar is destroyed.
And that is 100% a possibility if we don't have a responsible government actually with responsible monetary policy.
We were able to spend and print money like we did when the economy was growing because of the growth.
Without that growth, we can't keep printing money like we have been.
And you see the inflation, and you also see the interest rates are not actually controlling inflation like they want.
It's really, really bad.
And that's something that everyone needs to really pay way more attention to.
That's a white pill in my opinion.
tim pool
I just love how no demographic cares about student debt at all.
Among 18-29 year olds, 26%.
Men, 24.
Females, 27.
White, 24.
Black, 31.
Hispanic, 25.
Democrats, 29.
Republicans, 22.
Independents, 26.
phil labonte
Nobody cares.
tim pool
And Biden just cancelled more student debt for a bunch of art students or whatever.
I don't see what the point is.
But inflation at 64%, everybody cares about it.
That is great news.
But of course, Israel-Palestine is way down here at the bottom.
And it looks like It looks like Democrats have the highest at 37%.
That's it.
lisa reynolds
It's funny, and that's how you know, like, online is not real life, because that's all you see.
I mean, I am so sick of talking about Israel-Palestinians.
I'm so sick of it.
And that's all you see.
Yet, when you go talk to the average person on the street, they have, they're not even aware that this is even that big of a conference.
phil labonte
They know.
lisa reynolds
But it's why, I mean, it's the same thing with universities.
phil labonte
It's not that big of a deal.
You guys can stop going on and on about Israel.
No one cares.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think part of it is universities are also micro, like the internet, right?
One person starts talking about something and it starts to seem everywhere.
That's again, why these protests are jumping from, from campus to campus, as opposed to suddenly, you know, no one is going into the streets of, you know, Akron, Ohio and saying, you must divest.
Like they're only doing that at universities for a reason.
And I think that Phil's totally right.
You know, they used to say, you know, You know, young people are Democrats and then they get their first paycheck and see how many taxes come out and they're like, wait a minute, now I don't want taxes.
I'm a Republican.
And I think the effect of that now, the more modern take is inflation.
If you're young and trying to establish a strong financial future, it feels impossible right now because everything costs more every single year.
And even if you have a good job, the money, the cost of living rises so dramatically that, you know, if you're working your first job out of college and you're making, you know, something that's like fair amount, It feels even less every single year, even if you get small raises.
unidentified
Just to buy a car.
lisa reynolds
It's impossible.
Forget the house and all that.
hannah claire brimelow
Buy the car, insure the car.
Car insurance went up by like 25%.
You know, grocers are up constantly.
You can't think about the future.
And again, that's all that the Republicans in every state need to campaign on right now.
Immigration, inflation.
And this is something that young people are really resonating with because they are faced with the fallout of the Biden economy.
tim pool
So Nate Silver says, his theory is there's two main drivers of political beliefs, personal self, politics is self-interest, like rich people want lower taxes, and sexually active women want abortion rights, and then he says politics is personal identity, whose team are you on?
But other issues have primarily symbolic stakes.
These serve as vehicles for individual and group expression, not so much identity politics, but politics as identity.
People are trying to figure out where they fit in, who's on their side and who isn't, and this works in both directions.
People can be attracted to a group or negatively polarized by it.
People have different reasons for arguing about politics and can derive value from a sense of social belonging and receiving reinforcement that the choices are honorable and righteous.
And let me just pause you right there, Mr. Nate Silver.
That is predominant among the left and less so among the right.
The quote-unquote right, as they describe it, is, I don't know, disparate libertarians who don't like Donald Trump.
Donald Trump, who is going to be speaking at the LP National Convention, which we'll talk about in a second, which is crazy, but a bunch of different factions.
Christians, non-Christians, you've got like post-atheist now, where they're like, the woke is a new religion, all of the, and you have post-liberal, and you have former Democrats, all, and even liberals, classical liberals, are now all right-wing.
They're not on the same team.
They're all on the, those guys are crazy team.
But the interesting thing about politics is personal identity as well is that that also shows there's umbrellas to these different factions.
Something we often would talk to Ian about because he wouldn't seem to understand what left and right meant.
Left and right are umbrella terms for the different factions that exist within these spheres of influence.
But on the right, people have no problem disagreeing with each other, debating each other, and getting along.
On the left, it's homogenous.
It is fall in line or we will cancel you.
Just like at these protests where if you disagree with their insert cause of the day, you could not enter these spaces.
But ultimately, I think what we get out of the Nate Silver thing is, obviously, this is what we see with Black Lives Matter and the pro-Palestine stuff.
It doesn't matter what they're saying.
They have the exact same tactics.
They create a protest against Israel, and they create the People's Library.
And the People's University.
That's what they did during Occupy.
It doesn't matter whether it's The Rich, Black Lives Matter, or Israel, they all do the exact same thing.
It is basically Burning Man for these kids.
And then you have that viral video where you have that, like, the people are barricaded in Columbia in the Hamilton Hall.
And then they're like, they're barricading us in, and one woman goes, F you, it's finals, I wanna go home.
Yeah.
They're basically playing cops and robbers.
And they don't realize their real consequences.
They're going to go to jail.
But that's part of the radical radicalization process.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, but they'll get their charges dropped or, you know, they'll be arrested and then when it's time to be arrested... Do you remember when there were the pipeline protests in North Dakota?
hannah claire brimelow
And I think it's Shailene Woodley.
She's an actress.
tim pool
Yeah, she was in Divergent?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think so.
I just remember this clip of her, like, handing her phone to her assistant being like, keep filming while she got arrested because it's like a badge of honor, right?
Being like, I'm so in the know and I'm up on the environmental causes and this, that, and the other.
You know, some people go into protests knowing that potentially getting arrested is a risk.
I don't know why the university students would not have thought of that unless they feel like, you know, college camp is a safe space and real-life rules don't apply to them there.
tim pool
I'll let you in on some advice.
It's fairly obvious to anybody who watches internet video.
If you ask questions at a protest, they kick you out.
When you go to these, you know, pro-Hamas protests, if you start asking simple things like, what do you think about this?
What do you think about that?
They're gonna be like, okay, enough from you, and they're gonna kick you out.
I was at a protest in New York when Donald Trump had his, you know, seven dangerous countries ban, and they were all protesting, like someone bullhorning, saying Trump is banning Muslims from entering the country.
And so there was this woman and this guy that I had met, And I was like, why is she calling it a Muslim band though?
Like, honest question, because I know that this band's like North Korea and Venezuela too.
And they were just like, what's your problem, dude?
And I was like, what?
And they said, what's your problem?
I was like, I don't have a problem.
I'm just wondering, is there something about it that's like specifically about Muslims?
And they were like, whatever.
And they just turned around and stopped talking to me.
I was like, oh, hey, like, it's a cult.
Ask questions, they throw you out.
lisa reynolds
It's it but it even like so you know younger minds are more impressionable and they want to be social and they want to be liked in their peer groups and things like that but you even see with adults I know an adult male who refuses to tell his mother and his co-workers that he voted for Trump every time and he still tells people he's a Democrat even though he's not and watches this show watches a ton of other shows and he's like um but he's afraid to come out because he's like, it'll hurt my business, it'll
hurt my relationship.
So think about how younger and impressionable these kids are and they want to fit in and
they're already weird because like these are the weird kids.
But let's be fair, they're not the cool frat guys that are like laying, getting sun
tanned by himself, like not caring about what's happening.
These are the weird kids.
So they already want to be included.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and they're high anxiety, right?
They're highly neurotic.
And so they're looking for validation all the time.
I think part of the issue is that, so a lot of younger voters don't really believe in
the two party system, right?
And so they don't necessarily want to identify as Democrat or as a Republican, but they do
have their enclave issues, right?
They're radical feminists or they're, you know.
Whatever it is, they have something that they were like, well, because I feel like this very strongly, I'm more likely to vote for this party.
And I've done this myself too.
I always think of myself as conservative and, you know, I vote Republican, but I don't necessarily think of myself as a Republican.
And I think that.
Mentality almost makes it harder for them because they don't want to be associated with the party exactly, but they do also use the party's platform as a litmus test for their friendships, right?
They don't want anyone... I remember this one girl, this girl I knew back in the day, super leftist, and she told me she would never shop at Walmart because that's where racists shop.
What?
That doesn't make any sense at all!
But it's this idea that like, you know, people who you don't like act a certain way and so you go out of your way to avoid even seeming like them, even though you don't even know if you want to be a part of the group that you could potentially be a part of.
lisa reynolds
Weren't there two girls that were just like interviewed and they were like, I don't, I don't actually know why I'm protesting.
There was a clip of that just recently, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Very, very, very well.
lisa reynolds
They don't know what they're doing.
tim pool
It's Burning Man!
lisa reynolds
They just want to have fun!
tim pool
This seems cool.
We're going to go hang out in the grass.
We're going to put up tents.
There's going to be food and drinks, and we're going to read books.
We're going to do story time.
And then we're going to bar Jews from coming on campus, because that's what they did at UCLA.
Because they wanted you to agree with them, and the Jewish students wouldn't do it.
And this is what ultimately leads to these clashes.
So here's the thing.
I'm at the point where I have a question for you guys.
So these protests, most of the people there have no idea what's going on.
Having experience at protests, I imagine if you walk up to the average person, they might even say, ah, I'm not protesting.
I was just here to check it out.
And that's like, maybe like 40 or 50% of the people there were just like, oh, my friends told me they're going to be down here.
I'm not really for a protest or anything.
I'm just here.
They get caught up in those protests.
But when people are saying these protests are anti-Semitic, I have to actually wonder, you know, the issue I suppose is, if there are ten people at UCLA who have decided they will not let Jewish students in this place, and no one else in the camp will stop them from barring Jewish students, then you basically have a protest that just doesn't like Jews, just keeps Jewish students out.
If a Jewish student walks up, and this is on video, and he's wearing a Star of David, and he says, I'm just trying to go to my class, and they won't let him in, And the other protesters are in there going, we're not anti-semitic, we're just critical of Israel.
And it's like, well, you know, the people that you are supporting, that you are providing resources for, are blocking a Jewish student from coming in.
And you do nothing about it.
If you provide resource to someone who is intentionally targeting Jewish students, I'm just going to go ahead and call you all anti-semitic.
I understand there's legitimate criticisms of Israel.
That's fine.
But if you've got people who are standing next to you, expressing the intent to target Jewish students, and you're like, yeah, that's fine.
We respect the diversity of tactics.
I'm like, okay, well then you're all anti-Semitic.
lisa reynolds
But they're not just anti-Semitic.
I think the greater thing is that they're anti-Semitic, but they're anti-Christian, too.
There was a video that I had reposted where the guy's like, this is Christian's fault.
Like, OK, now we're blaming the Christians, right?
hannah claire brimelow
But we're not passing an anti-Christian bill.
unidentified
I just want to point that out.
lisa reynolds
But it's not even about that.
They're finding any cause that they can find to riot, to be destructive, because their real goal is destruction of this country.
I don't think they even really care that much about what's going on there.
It's just an excuse to be able to cause mayhem to break down the systems here.
tim pool
I'm going to give you a good example.
There was a, I believe it was a Patriot prayer rally in the Pacific Northwest, and a guy showed up doing Nazi salutes and saying racial slurs, and they threw him out immediately and screamed in his face and said, get out of here, you don't represent us.
The media then lied and said, look at this guy who was at this rally.
But the right had no problem saying, no, you're out.
We do not agree with you.
The left is like, we're cool with it.
And then I'm like, okay, well, look, man.
When there's a video of like, it's like six people linking arms and blocking a Jewish student from coming in.
There's another one where they have a barricade set up and there's like a couple students standing outside it and there's just like one guy standing there holding it, not letting him in.
And there's not a single response, no rejection of the tactic.
I'm just gonna go and assume they're all lying and they literally just conflate any Jewish student with Israel and they see it as one thing.
That being said, I mean, the anti-Semitism bill saying you can't criticize the Israeli government comparing it to Nazis is anti-Semitic, is stupid.
lisa reynolds
It's not stupid, but it also feeds into what these people are saying.
Like, oh, you can't criticize Israel.
God forbid you criticize Israel.
Oh, the only reason why they're going into these camps and taking them down, they didn't for CHAZ or BLM.
It's because it's Israel.
See how much control Israel has on the U.S.
government?
And so this is exactly what feeds into that narrative.
And Republicans can be out of touch all they want and think it's a messaging bill and they're messaging to these, you know, average independent Jewish voters or even like Jewish voters that are unhappy with the Biden administration and what's going on.
But you're also feeding those narratives that the Jews control everything thing.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from the post-millennial six figures raised to throw rager for UNC frat boys who protected Stars and Stripes from Gaza protesters.
I'd like to just give a round of applause to these young men.
Bravo!
Look at these guys.
They were defending the American flag from the far-left extremists, and I respect it.
Following the hoisting of the American flag back to its rightful place at the top of the pole at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, a group of frat boys prevented members of the Gaza camp from removing it for a second time to replace it with the Palestinian flag.
The image of the young men protecting the stars and stripes has since gone viral, with one ex-user posting it alongside the hashtag Make America Frat Again, a play on Donald Trump's iconic Make America Great Again slogan.
So here's a GoFundMe Pi Kappa Phi men defending their flag, throw them a rager.
unidentified
$200,233.
tim pool
You got Bill Ackman right here.
$10,000 donation.
I'm gonna hit refresh.
Let's see what the number's at now.
unidentified
$230,000!
tim pool
Bravo!
My friend called this the culture war Iwo Jima moment.
That's a good one.
Let's see what the number's at now.
$230,000.
unidentified
Bravo.
My friend called this the culture war Iwo Jima moment.
lisa reynolds
Right?
hannah claire brimelow
Like, that's a good one.
lisa reynolds
That's what it is though.
tim pool
Well, people made a meme of the frat boys lifting the flag like the Iwo Jima photograph.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and left-wing media hates guys in fraternities.
Like, white guys in fraternities is the bane of all of feminism, left-wing media's existence.
They represent something they don't like.
phil labonte
It's the president.
Remember?
Feminists are all mad at the president or their dad.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it makes me think again.
I've referenced this a couple times, but the Rolling Stone article where they're like, this one girl accused this fraternity, I think it was UVA.
And then it turned out that girl made absolutely everything up.
Wasn't even at the school.
I don't even think she was in the state.
And there was no, like, no acknowledgement of this.
And so it's fun to see, like, guys who are just trying to live life, young men starting out being like, well, you guys are protesting and we're going to leave you alone, but you can't take down the flag.
We are patriotic and we believe in this.
unidentified
Whatever, whatever.
tim pool
For this event, Trump needs to be there.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh my gosh!
lisa reynolds
Oh my god, how great would that be?
hannah claire brimelow
Wager with Donald Trump!
That would be the most amazing thing ever.
tim pool
Donald Trump showing up to this event celebrating these guys defending the American flag is what this country needs.
phil labonte
Yeah.
lisa reynolds
That would be really cool.
tim pool
And they can do it on the 4th of July.
unidentified
At Trump Towers.
lisa reynolds
One of the kids had apparently a military father and he wrote out a statement about what he saw and how he didn't want the flag to touch the ground and how many people have died and sacrificed so much for that flag.
And it was actually really moving coming from somebody who you think is, to me, young, right?
Like under 20.
unidentified
But they're not too young to be principled, right?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, if the Gaza protesters feel very strongly that Israel is the aggressor in this, I think it is great to see young Americans also saying, hey, we're putting America first.
We believe in this country.
You can't just be disrespectful to symbols of our nation while on a college campus in America.
lisa reynolds
That's how you know it's not about Israel, though, right?
It's not about Israel and it's not about Palestine.
Why would you have to denigrate our flag?
Why would you have to denigrate America in order to fight about your cause?
Because it's not about that, right?
Why would you have to pull down our flag and put theirs up?
Because it's not about Israel-Palestine, it's about your hatred of America.
phil labonte
That's all it's about.
unidentified
100%.
phil labonte
I mean, there's a phrase that has been making the rounds on the internet, and it's, the issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution.
And that's the way that this is panning out.
And honestly, people may not acknowledge it, but that's really what the vast majority
of the BLM riots were as well.
You know, the narrative that we were sold about, you know, about police going after innocent black men
and killing innocent black men, most people thought that there were, you know,
many, many, there were people that were saying thousands died per year.
And on average, it was like 13 or 14 per year.
Yeah, I mean it's bad It's it's not good, but it's such it's so dramatically different from reality it's it is it is Accurate to say that it's a lie.
You know to say that thousands of people have died and and And that has caused so much damage to the country.
hannah claire brimelow
And turmoil.
phil labonte
So much damage.
tim pool
I want to read the GoFundMe for you guys.
This is John Noonan who started, writes, Kami losers across the country have invaded college campuses to make dumb demands of weak university administrators.
But amidst the chaos, the screaming, the antisemitism, the hatred of faith and flag, stood a platoon of American heroes, armored in vineyard vines in Patagonia, fueled by zin and white claws.
These triumphant brohemians protected old glory from the unwashed Marxist horde, laughing at their shrieks and wails and shielding the stars and stripes from Soviet missiles.
These boys, no, men of the UNC Chapel Hill Pi Kappa Phi gave the best to America and now they deserve the best.
Help us raise funds to throw this frat the party they deserve, a party worth Of boatshrewd broletarians who did their country proud.
unidentified
Yep.
lisa reynolds
Dude, I'm donating just for that write-up.
hannah claire brimelow
That write-up's great!
lisa reynolds
That write-up is fantastic.
hannah claire brimelow
So where are we thinking this is going to be hosted?
Is it at UNC or Mar-a-Lago?
phil labonte
Mar-a-Lago!
hannah claire brimelow
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
You should have it here!
Mar-a-Lago.
I'd be willing to bet that, especially with the amount of money and attention they're getting, the amount of money they're raising, Trump and Mar-a-Lago would be like, yes, let's get... I mean, it expands upon the PR.
It shines a light on virtue.
It shows that there's positive reinforcement socially and culturally for defending this country and its flag amidst people screaming.
And you can see in this photo, they're having stuff thrown at them.
They're like throwing liquids at them or something.
And so these young men were willing to hold it to make sure it didn't touch the ground while they tried to put it back up on the flagpole.
Somebody watching knows Kash Patel or somebody watching knows Don Jr.
Put a bug in their ear.
Larry Benefit? Donald Trump gets tons of PR, they do this at Mar-a-Lago. Trump shows up,
he walks in clapping for them, he buys them all McDonald's.
phil labonte
Somebody watching knows Kash Patel, or somebody watching knows Don Jr. Put a bug in there,
tell Don, he'd love it.
tim pool
They gotta know about this already.
hannah claire brimelow
I want a truth social.
I'll slide in there.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, we deserve, this deserves immediate acknowledgement.
Again, if we're looking at America's youth as these like Ivy League educated super progressives, I would much rather see these.
And I've said it a couple times, you know.
These protests are happening across the country, but there are colleges where there is a more mixed demographic where it's not happening, right?
And I think seeing guys like this step up and be like, well, you are doing... You're not telling them to break up their encampment.
They're saying, you can't do this to the flag.
And that's a good message.
lisa reynolds
I want to stick up for Ivy Leagues just a little bit.
And I'm going to say this because clearly I went to an Ivy League school twice.
Which one?
I went to Penn for my undergrad and grad.
So I went there.
But You know, if you could say anything about them, the student base themselves, they're not all these people.
They're not all leftists.
Now, the staff, sure.
But I remember over and over arguing with people.
And there'd be some fringe lefties, but the righties, if anything, you could say they're feckless, right?
Because they wouldn't stand up and say anything.
They're like, I don't want to piss my teachers off.
I don't want to piss off potential job interest, right?
I don't want to mess with my grades.
I had somebody years after I would like fight in class.
This guy was like one of my closest friends in school.
We would study all the time and he called me up years later and he was like, Hey, can
you help my brother get an internship for Congressman whoever I'm like, yeah, but
you know, he's a Republican, right?
And he's like, yeah, my whole family's called it.
I like you.
hannah claire brimelow
You left me out there for a.
lisa reynolds
For that long and he's like, I don't want it to affect my grade.
Like, I don't want to ruin what, and they have pressure from their friend groups.
And when me and James go on these campuses, like Penn's campus, we go and ask them, you know, uh, what is a woman or can men menstruate?
That was one of the videos like that we did.
They are like, we know the answer.
We don't want to be on camera.
Please leave us alone.
tim pool
You saw the video where the guy asks the girl how many genders there are.
And then the girl's like, I want to say two.
And the other girl goes, stop, stop.
Stop.
Everyone's like, nah, that video's gotta be fake.
And I'm like, maybe, I don't know, maybe.
lisa reynolds
No, it's always like that.
tim pool
But my point is, I don't think you're gonna find three actors that good to like, do this bit.
And I'm not saying they're the greatest actors in the world, like, I don't know.
But it seemed natural.
lisa reynolds
We go to Kent's campus all the time.
It's over and over again.
tim pool
That's in Philly?
lisa reynolds
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the pressure to, like, that, if you're a conservative on a college campus, that pressure of being like, it's just easier to get the good grade and say what they want me to say is very real.
I also think it trains young conservatives to be docile and not to say anything.
And yeah, I do beat up on the Ivies a lot.
I just mean it in the sense that, like, The Ivies were historically sort of the epicenter of education in America, and they did do interesting things, and there have been lots of really important people who have come out of Ivies.
I mean, Donald Trump went to Penn, right?
So did all of his children.
lisa reynolds
It's the conservative of the Ivies, if you're going to say that, because of Wharton and the business school.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think that that's like...
I think all college education is a mixed bag because there are good things that come out of every, you know, a lot of colleges in the U.S.
and then there are a lot of bad things.
The problem with the Ivies, and I think this is probably, you know, you might be able to speak to this better than I can, is that the majority of them, Harvard, Yale, Columbia, I think Brown is like this, They embraced progressivism so intensely and expected every
other university to follow because they are the top tier, so to speak.
They are the ones that you're supposed to strive for.
If you get into this school, it's a big deal.
And there is, to me, a certain level of arrogance that comes with that.
And again, that's why seeing them, the students, they were particularly probably excited to
see their applications of being like, well, I'm anti-… systemic racism or whatever, being the same students that
are starting to tear the school apart is, you know, needed retribution in my opinion.
lisa reynolds
It's definitely gotten worse too within the last 5 to 10 years it's gotten really bad, but they will say, like, we
had a basketball girl.
She was like, I can't be on camera.
I want to keep playing basketball.
Now the school's gone a little crazy.
I mean, the majority of the people that you talk to, they're smart kids.
They know the answers to the basic questions, but they're afraid of the social justice mob.
phil labonte
This has been going on for the past 10 years all over society.
This isn't new, and to be honest with you, thankfully it is breaking.
I think we all kind of agree that there are places and people that are starting to say it's not worth the concern anymore.
They're gonna attack me or they're strangling my industry or whatever it is, but people are starting to break free of that.
But that has been a normal thing.
lisa reynolds
But that's why rewarding these guys and this is good, right?
Because we're saying that we finally see some people standing up and now we're going to reward you and you're going to get $200,000 and a party like it's it's fine to do the right thing and to say what you actually believe.
I think this could be a really good turning point.
hannah claire brimelow
to get these kids out of that mindset? I was in college during the 2016 election and I remember
how many of the fraternities had like Trump banners and stuff or like they were they I'd
be in class and you know I had a political communications professor who asked us to like
say who we thought was gonna win the election.
And every guy at our fraternity was like, it's going to be Trump.
It's going to be Trump.
And so I find it sort of endearing that it's the same guys who are probably, you know, not these guys who are in college, but like the same type of young men who are in these fraternities are also the ones who are like, actually, we're behind the flag.
You can't take this down.
I think this is a value that they don't get enough credit for.
tim pool
Let's jump to the next story, ladies and gentlemen.
Huge news!
I did not believe it when the story broke.
Donald Trump will address the Libertarian Party National Convention.
Okay, as soon as I saw the story, the LP posted a tweet of Trump saying, I'm in.
They said, we invited him.
I reached out to some contacts.
I said, no way.
And they're like, yes.
And I said, I still don't believe it.
Here's the release they put out.
President Trump to address Libertarian Party concerns at National Convention May 25th.
The Libertarian National Party, the party of principle, announced today that President Donald J. Trump has responded to an invitation and challenge from the Libertarian Party to speak at its National Convention and directly address concerns voiced by its members.
President Trump will speak on Saturday, May 25th in Washington, D.C.
It is worded a little bit weird, mind you.
Have you noticed how they worded it?
Trump has responded to an invitation and challenge from the Libertarian Party to speak at its convention.
It doesn't say he responded saying he will, and directly address concerns, not directly address its members, and that he'll speak in DC.
lisa reynolds
Are you thinking he's going to be like video conferencing it?
tim pool
Maybe something like that.
Yep.
But either way, that's still, that's still big.
But if he's in DC, and it's in DC, Then he will.
But maybe it's really just simple.
Let me keep reading.
They say...
Members of the Libertarian Party will share a list of their top 10 issues with President Trump in advance of the convention, hoping to make an impact on the policy positions of a past and possibly future president.
Angela McArdle states, For 50 years, we've been trying to get our candidates on the main stage with major party POTUS candidates, and we've finally succeeded in bringing one to our stage.
We will do everything in our power to use this incredible opportunity to advance the message of liberty.
Okay, bringing one to our stage.
Again, I hope it's not a video conference.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think he's gonna be a person- I think they're trying to avoid sounding like they're endorsing him.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, they want to hold his feet to the fire on what their issues are.
tim pool
Libertarians are some of the most independent and thoughtful thinkers in our country, and I am honored to join them in Washington, D.C.
later this month.
Okay, there you go.
Simple enough.
We must all work together to help advance freedom and liberty for every American, and a second Trump administration will achieve that goal.
I look forward to speaking at the libertarian event, which will be attended by many of my great friends.
We all have to remember that our goal is to defeat the worst president in the history of the United States, by far Crooked Joe Biden.
If Libertarians join me and the Republican Party, where we have many Libertarian views, the election won't even be close.
We cannot have another four years of death, destruction, and incompetence.
We will work together and win.
phil labonte
This makes sense for him to come at it this way.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
There's a little bit more.
They say the theme of the 2024 LP National Convention is to become ungovernable.
This was chosen following the previous years of unconscionable authoritarian actions by the United States federal and state governments, which saw citizens confined, indoctrinated, lied to, and inoculated against their will.
The citizens of the United States must become ungovernable to regain their basic rights and freedoms.
This year's convention will welcome world-renowned speakers, activists, and thinkers, as well as decide the libertarian presidential candidate for the 2024 election cycle.
There is no greater collection nor community of freedom, liberty, and independently-minded people.
Speakers confirmed thus far, President Trump Dr. Peter McCullough, filmmaker and brother of Julian Assange, Gabriel Shipton, part of The Problem host Dave Smith, freedom advocate, historian, and Bitcoin futurist Robert Breedlove, Joanne and Mark Skosin, longtime Liberty activists, founders of FreedomFest and the Anthem Libertarian Film Festival.
More speakers will be confirmed in the coming months.
I will say right now, we are not confirmed, but we are in a Having a conversation, in talks, simple, with LP about hosting TimCast IRL Friday at the convention.
Not in the main stage or anything, but we'll have a room there where we can bring in various people who are there.
Obviously we're friends with many of these people, like Dave Smith and Angela, I've been on the show many times, so we're big fans of what they're doing in the Mises caucus.
When I heard this, I didn't believe it.
I mean, look, I'm reading their press release for the first time on the show because we pulled it up, and I still didn't even believe it.
And it says at the bottom, confirm Donald Trump speaking there on Saturday the 25th.
And this is Memorial Day weekend.
And I'm planning a vacation, like, we're going to have a three-day weekend.
I'm going to go.
We're going to, like, rent a boat and just go fishing or something.
And then I found out Trump will be at a libertarian convention.
I was like, we're going to the convention.
lisa reynolds
It's going to be their biggest turnout ever.
phil labonte
Of course.
tim pool
A third party?
When's the last time this country has had a third party get recognition in a major way like this in my lifetime?
Unthinkable.
lisa reynolds
It's a smart move for him, for sure.
Really smart move.
tim pool
It's kind of crazy to me that Republicans haven't done this in the past.
A coalition government.
phil labonte
They just expect it.
The Republicans have long expected Libertarians to just vote with Republicans because they give the lip service.
And so even though there are Libertarians that are strongly vocal against Republicans or against Republican policies and stuff, they're still like, yeah, but we're better than the Democrats.
And for the most part, for a long time, they were like, well, yeah, you actually are.
hannah claire brimelow
And how much of this is the effect of the Mises Caucus, right?
I mean, I feel like the Libertarian Party itself has really changed in the last couple years.
phil labonte
I don't think Donald Trump knows what the Mises Caucus is, and I don't think he's talking to the Mises Caucus because of it.
hannah claire brimelow
I think his staff knows who it is, and that's really who gets Donald Trump to these events.
I mean, I think part of it is in the past, right, like Republicans kind of take Libertarians for granted.
On the other hand, the Libertarian Party is often very divided.
I mean, they have issues of debating the border and all kinds of things.
So I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually, you know, the work of the Mises Caucus or the effect of the Mises Caucus.
tim pool
So one of my favorite things is I've talked to Republicans and they say things like, if only the Libertarians just voted for Trump, this wouldn't have happened.
And then I'm like, let me stop you right there.
Libertarians don't like you.
Like, we can move on now.
Like this idea where many Republicans just believe that Libertarians are Republicans, but want a little bit more.
And I'm like, no, no.
Many Libertarians outright detest the things you stand for.
The Mises Caucus brings you a little closer on a lot of issues.
And I think this is going to be really interesting.
Many, many people in the Libertarian Party do not like Trump.
I think it was the Libertarian Party of Louisiana tweeted out the picture of Trump's hair and it said, Trump is the opposite of a libertarian.
And it's like, well, let me let me let me tell you, there are libertarians who don't believe in borders.
And I've gotten to arguments with them.
And I'm just like, you can be an anarchist and call yourself an anarcho-capitalist or whatever you want to call yourself, but libertarian implies some form of government.
If there is some form of government, some capacity, there is a limit to which your government can extend, correct?
That's called your border.
Borders exist.
And if you allow anyone to come in, they will exploit you and ignore your laws, even as few as you have.
But I think now, with the Mises Caucus, what you're seeing is a lot of people who understand the importance of borders, understand the importance of some governance, but limited governance, free speech, all that the First Amendment entails, Second Amendment, etc.
I just wonder if people at the LP would actually consider voting for Trump.
That's Trump's angle, obviously.
He says it.
If we come together, we win.
How many libertarians are going to be like, This one time.
This one time I'll vote for Republican.
lisa reynolds
I think a good amount.
I really do.
I think a good amount.
Especially if he's going and talking to them and giving and he's basically raising awareness about like there's a lot of people who don't even know that the Libertarian Party exists.
Let's be fair.
There's like soccer moms that have no idea.
Right?
He's giving them a platform and he's saying, hey, you are important.
That matters a lot to people.
I mean, even just with regular congressmen, when you help them with their constituent work, that matters to them that you paid attention to them.
That's enough.
tim pool
Right.
Trump addressing his concerns and the Libertarian Party trying to influence his policy positions and Trump saying outright, I need your help.
You matter.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I am so excited.
This is like the coolest news ever.
It also just, it boosts the Libertarian Party.
And we just desperately need competition in politics.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm curious to see what the format is.
They're saying they're going to send the list beforehand.
Is someone moderating and taking questions?
Is Angela going to be on stage with Trump?
Because Trump is a monologuer, I think.
I think he is really a solo show.
So maybe he will come pre-prepared with remarks.
tim pool
Dave Smith sitting down with Trump going over the top 10 issues would be the most viewed Okay, probably not the most viewed podcast.
Probably Joe Rogan interviewing his Sasquatch would be the most views, but you get my point.
But it would be huge.
hannah claire brimelow
It would be deeply meaningful, and I think it would mean a lot to Libertarians.
Also, anyone who is interested in Libertarianism, like, would search that video or be like, Trump, Libertarianism, and it would be what comes up.
I mean, it would have a lasting effect for generations who are trying to figure out how a Republican views Libertarianism or what a Donald Trump presidency means for the potential Libertarian movement in America.
tim pool
You know, I just made myself laugh, but also a little sad at the same time when I realized that if Joe Rogan interviewed some guy dressed as Sasquatch, it probably would get more views than a major political convention.
unidentified
Because people need entertainment!
hannah claire brimelow
I think people do get burned out on politics, you know, and I think that is one of Trump's strengths because it feels like a show.
It feels like an activity.
You know, even, you know, Lisa's nodding at me right now.
lisa reynolds
I am so burned out on politics.
I can't even go on Twitter here.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, that's why you're gardening now.
lisa reynolds
I am.
But yeah, it's it's a lot.
I think that people are tired of it.
But mostly I think this is good.
I think this is good.
tim pool
Good.
This is historic.
This is it like the Libertarian Party being addressed by a major candidate for a rival political party.
It's gonna it's gonna boost them up.
It's gonna be absolutely fantastic.
I think Trump could actually win over enough because he only needs a small percentage like single digits to make him to become unbeatable.
phil labonte
I love everything you're saying, but I am almost positive some dumb libertarian is going to get on stage naked or something, or do something like that.
Someone's going to run around with a cake on their head or something.
tim pool
You are correct, but I was just watching.
phil labonte
They're going to blow it.
tim pool
They're going to blow it.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no.
hannah claire brimelow
Phil doesn't believe in you libertarians.
tim pool
I was watching Trump just speak a few hours ago, and a guy is dressed like Uncle Sam, and he's like, look at him.
He brings him up, shakes his hand.
Then he bends over to pick something up and stands up and goes, You think Joe Biden can bend down like that and everyone busts out laughing?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
phil labonte
I hope so.
lisa reynolds
He handles those moments well.
tim pool
Yeah, if a guy got naked at the convention or something- And got past Secret Service, that's the other part.
No, no, no.
I don't think anyone's gonna get anywhere near Trump.
But like, if someone at the convention does something to make it, you know, untoward or whatever, Trump would zinger him.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, he would- Yeah.
tim pool
That Bill Barr zinger was like, That's got to be a top 10.
phil labonte
He's the guy that said, you'd be in jail.
That was perfect.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, this is, I miss the Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump debate.
That was the golden age of television, in my opinion.
tim pool
I'm watching some of his speeches and I'm like, this man is back.
The Bill Barr truth post.
So I'm removing lethargic from my statement.
I was just, it's top 10.
Top 10 insult of all time was so good.
lisa reynolds
As the guy's endorsing him.
tim pool
I know, it's absolutely amazing.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, I think it's a reminder that Trump sort of forgives, but he doesn't really forget, right?
Like, nor should you.
And this is part of the interesting thing about a second Trump presidency, especially since he lost 2020, which is like, who are you surrounding yourself with?
Because I think a lot of people feel like his staff in 2016, like going into post 2016 election, I think that Bill Barr did the right thing there by saying, like, it's not about me, it's about the country.
I thought that was a really, like, top-notch move on his part.
But back to Trump being at the party, do you really think that he'll do, like, a question one-on-one?
I don't think so.
but I'm not fully forgiving you is an interesting take.
lisa reynolds
I think that Bill Barr did the right thing there by saying, like, it's not about me.
It's about the country. I think I thought that was a really like top notch move on his part. But
back to the Trump being at the party, do you really think that he'll do like a question one
on one? I don't think so. I think he'll go like a campaign rally.
hannah claire brimelow
It's impossible for me to see him doing anything other than like a full on speech. But just the
way they're saying, like, we're going to send you our top 10 issues like so Trump is then going to
definitely incorporate that.
phil labonte
Ignore them.
hannah claire brimelow
He'll maybe respond to two.
You would need someone on stage, like, sort of like a town hall to really get all of your questions answered, I think.
tim pool
But this is going to be interesting.
There are a lot of libertarians who hate Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Hate, hate, hate.
He's going to get booed and cheered as he walks on stage.
It's going to be really interesting.
phil labonte
I mean, it is good for the party to raise awareness and stuff like that.
It's a good get for Angela, so I'm sure that's going to be a benefit for her career.
I don't know how much Donald Trump Is going to appeal to libertarians because he doesn't he's kind of Trump all the time You know what?
I mean is you're not you don't really get a Donald Trump That's different in front of a different audience and libertarians are definitely they're different kind of people man So, I mean I would like to see I would like to see him You know make some you know, make some inroads and I would like to see him convincing people to to vote for him I'm just not sure I'm not sure how it happens.
Again, this is not me saying that I don't think it does, and I'm not saying I think it's a bad thing.
I'm just saying that I don't know how it does.
tim pool
This will be very interesting.
lisa reynolds
I think he thinks it's going to go great.
He's probably like, this is going to be awesome.
tim pool
I don't think it could go bad.
lisa reynolds
I don't, I don't really see it going super bad either.
Unless like the left-wing media picks up like, Oh, some people were booing at the libertarian convention, but even then, like who cares?
tim pool
I think Trump thinks about it and he's just like, I don't get the libertarian vote as of now.
If I don't get it after this convention, so what?
If I win even one vote, it's worth it.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, I agree.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story.
James O'Keefe is back, ladies and gentlemen, with a massive expose.
A CIA agent, a project manager working in cyber operations for the CIA and NSA.
Contractor with top-secret clearance working for Deloitte.
Amjad Fasaisi caught on undercover cameras implicating the highest levels of the intelligence agencies, including the executive staff.
We're talking, quote, we're talking about the director and his subordinates.
Former CIA director Gina Haspel, and I believe Mike Pompeo did the same thing too, kept information from Trump because we knew he'd effing disclose it.
There are certain people that would give him a high-level overview, but never give him any details.
You know why?
Because he'll leak those details.
He's a Russian asset.
He's owned by the effing Russians.
This is a guy, look at this, he says, quote, we steal it, referring to information, we hack other countries just like that.
And so, this is a major expose.
I'll play a little bit of the beginning, and the CIA has issued a response.
James says it appears he got fired over this, but we'll read the response in a second.
Here you go.
unidentified
I work in the intelligence community.
I work for the CIA.
I do cyber operations.
I've been doing it for a long time.
So how long have you been working at the CIA?
Since 2008.
Okay.
I've also worked at NSA, though.
Got it.
And then I have a TSSCI with a full-scope polygraph.
That means that I'm fully vetted.
james okeefe
Amjad Fasisi shows her his CIA identification badge.
unidentified
Now, where does it say?
It doesn't.
Hey, that's the point.
That's the point.
What's CMC?
Wow.
james okeefe
Amjad talks about how the CIA kept information from Trump.
unidentified
Not working.
We kept information from him.
Say it one more time.
We kept information from him.
From Trump?
Yes.
He said he knew me.
There are certain people that would give him a high level overview but never give it to me.
Do you know why?
james okeefe
It's called leaked to his people.
Amjad Fasisi states a higher-ups within the intel community, including CIA directors Mike Pompeo and Gina Haspel, and the upper levels of their staffs colluded to withhold information from sitting President Trump.
unidentified
So the agencies kind of like all got together and said, we're not going to tell Trump.
The higher ups.
The higher ups.
We put it this way.
The executive staff.
We're talking about the director and his subordinates.
Like what titles are they?
Director of the CIA.
Director of the CIA.
Are you guys still watching him?
I would say yes.
It sounds like you guys are still watching him and his team.
Of course, of course we are.
Nothing goes by without somebody watching.
james okeefe
Amjad Fasisi also states as fact that Trump is under constant surveillance and even claims they are spying on his ex-wife.
unidentified
We also have people that monitor his ex-wife.
So you guys have human sources?
How do you think we get information?
Like wiretapping?
How did you guys figure out that Trump was colluding with the Russians?
Did you guys use... So the intel community was able to use FISA to spy on Trump and his team.
And that's how we found out that he was colluding with the Russians.
Was it the CIA or the NSA that spied on Trump?
This is crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
Now look, look.
tim pool
James has C.I.A.
comment.
The official appears to have been terminated as a result of our reporting today.
When the C.I.A.
was asked for a comment, O'Keefe Media received an exclusive statement on the record from a C.I.A.
spokesperson.
They said it was nice speaking with you as discussed you may attribute the following on the record statement to a C.I.A.
spokesperson.
These claims about C.I.A.
are absolutely false and ridiculous.
C.I.A.
is a resolutely apolitical institution that provides intelligence support to policymakers, including the President of the United States, irrespective of who occupies the office.
We are a foreign intelligence-focused agency and do not monitor the former president.
The individual making these claims is a former contractor who does not represent C.I.A.
He showed a badge.
So, here's what's interesting.
If he's currently a former a contractor for the CIA stands to reason that badge was
legit.
If he was claiming in the video he worked for the CIA, it stands
to reason he did when he showed the badge.
And now he's former because he got caught on undercover camera.
You're not going to be good in intelligence if you're blabbing to some young girl you met on Tinder or something like this.
unidentified
I don't know why these people do this all the time.
lisa reynolds
Like, what are you doing that you're just, like, word vomiting all these things that you know nobody is supposed to hear?
I don't understand.
tim pool
Lisa, I mean, come on, you get it.
Like, women love it when guys blab about government malfeasance that they're involved in.
It's just, guys, every woman is super impressed when you talk about the corruption you're involved in.
lisa reynolds
She was hitting the points hard, too.
unidentified
She sounds like she's interviewing him.
lisa reynolds
She was 100% not taken easily.
She was like, and what about this?
tim pool
She sounds like she's a notepad.
hannah claire brimelow
She was reading questions off her phone and this guy was like, okay, great.
lisa reynolds
You must have one too many glasses of wine because...
tim pool
For the sake of James's career, you both need to reaffirm to the people of the world that women are deeply impressed by men who explain the corruption they're involved in.
lisa reynolds
True.
We are.
We are so interested.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't talk about your interests.
Don't talk about your hobbies.
lisa reynolds
Tell me right away.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't talk about it.
Just talk about any political, any secrets.
If you've been told by your government agency not to say something, that's what girls want to hear.
lisa reynolds
I honestly 100% do want all the tea.
I have so much gossip on so many people.
People tell me everything.
I love it.
hannah claire brimelow
I honestly think that's why this guy is not that confused.
He thinks it sounds impressive and also the fact that she's like, wait, what?
You did what?
Because girls like gossip.
He's like, just classic women.
They want to know all the details.
phil labonte
Girls do like gossip.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, it is so weird every time this happens, and it happens in this exact
way where it's like, the guy's like, hey girl, wanna hear about some corporate malfeasance
I'm involved in?
Criminal activities and felonies?
I tried to subvert the US government.
unidentified
So cool.
tim pool
You into it?
She's like, yes.
And he's like, you are?
I'll tell you more.
It is crazy.
All of these people, they just spill the beans.
I mean, I think it's funny that we're more flabbergasted by the fact that this guy just let it rip, as opposed to the fact that here is a guy who worked for the CIA, outright saying at the highest levels, they subverted the Trump administration to make him ineffective.
lisa reynolds
How stupid is the guy working for the CIA though that he doesn't know he's being set up by this chick?
And then the way that she's interrogating him.
She was interrogating him.
That wasn't like date cautions.
That was an interrogation.
But anyway, but we knew this.
So here's the thing.
I said, we, this isn't anything we didn't know earlier.
Tim, you corrected me.
It's like, no, we assumed.
And then this is the, but this is what we've all expected all along to see somebody say it as a little jarring.
tim pool
Right, so a lot of people responded to James, or there have been some tweets, and they were like, we knew this, and James is like, where was the proof, right?
Of course, everybody, we know about the meeting with Comey, and Biden, and who was it, Yates, and things like this, but now you have a guy, whether he wants to be on the record or not, just blabbing about, here's everything we did, why we did it, how it was done, and what they're probably still doing.
Now you have a guy on camera, there you go.
The funny thing about all of these undercover videos, James nails this, he's like, I just publish people's mouths moving.
They're saying things.
They say, James did this, James did that.
I'm like, there's a video of a guy, his mouth is moving, words are coming out.
Don't look at me, he said it.
I do not believe a spokesperson for the CIA.
I remember when Deepwater Horizon happened.
You remember this?
The oil rig disaster, like, what, 13 years ago?
And they put out all these statements.
Fukushima happens.
They put out all these statements.
They're all bunk nonsense.
Everyone knows spokespeople are liars.
Everybody knows Karine Jean-Pierre is going in there and just word-vomiting all over the floor.
I don't know why anyone listens to it.
You know what I want to hear?
I want to hear the undercover recording of what they actually say behind closed doors, because that's more likely to be true.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you know who I think the real winner of the Biden administration has been?
Jen Psaki.
Because she was there in the beginning.
She got to be like, look, we won, Donald Trump bad.
She bowed out, got a multi-million dollar contract with the mainstream media.
unidentified
Is it?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
lisa reynolds
She's a hate the face, though.
I mean, I don't know.
unidentified
She's a what?
She sucks.
lisa reynolds
A hate the face.
unidentified
Oh.
lisa reynolds
You just look at her face and you hate her no matter what.
Like, I don't care.
hannah claire brimelow
Still, though, she gets to say, oh, I was in the Biden administration, but she doesn't have to answer any of the end of For your questions, right?
She's not having to explain the border crisis or the economy.
She had great moves.
With the CIA contractor, I almost wonder if that was part of it.
He's like, oh, I can say whatever I want because people hate Trump so much.
lisa reynolds
That's what I was going to say.
They all have Trump derangement syndrome, and they think because they hate him so much that everybody else hates him so much so that these people would be impressed.
They would never say anything.
They would never repeat it because they're happy it's being done.
hannah claire brimelow
Because they're not saying, oh, it's because we have an agenda and he wouldn't listen to us.
He's saying Trump is stupid.
They're all like very intense personal character attacks.
And it's to make him look like he is somehow part of this powerful elite that
actually controls the country because Donald Trump shouldn't, even though he
got voted in at one point.
Like, it just doesn't – it doesn't make sense.
But again, like, this seems like possibly if you're in, you know, a mega-liberal city, a city that consistently goes blue, you assume whoever you're randomly bumping into thinks the way you do if you're, you know, on I think everybody, I met, I was like with people and the dogs, like dogs, walking my dog with other guys in the park and this older man starts talking to me and he says like, uh, he starts kind of hitting at politics.
lisa reynolds
And I was like, look, buddy, I'm really far right.
unidentified
Like just, that's what I said immediately.
lisa reynolds
But, but you get nervous, like thinking like everybody's here left.
Everybody here is in this city.
hannah claire brimelow
What did he say when you said that?
lisa reynolds
He goes, high five.
I know I talked to you for a reason.
That actually worked out pretty well.
But for the most part, I tell them up front, but you're always anticipating, especially being in a lefty city, that you're going to run into left-wing people more than not.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think the left-wing people are, you know, I don't think anyone's gonna be surprised by this, but less tolerant of it.
Conservatives are used to having to be the ones to be like, oh, you think differently than I do, whereas, you know, liberal people are like, how dare you say you voted for anyone but the people on the ticket that I like?
lisa reynolds
So true.
phil labonte
Well, it's because the way that the left has characterized the left and the right for so long is just...
As simple as they're the bad guys and we're the good guys.
If you vote for any right-leaning policies, it's because you have a moral failing.
There is something wrong with you.
tim pool
You know what the challenge is with the internet these days?
Is that everyone has a podcast.
The problem without the internet was that only the Deep State had the podcast.
You know what I mean?
It's like, damn.
It's like, there's no happy medium.
And I'm just thinking about, you know, these people you're mentioning, like, if you don't support the ticket that I'm on.
There are all of these people on social media that are putting on these characters, they're grifting.
There's one guy that's getting a lot of attention because all he does is just scream and look like he's gonna burst a blood vessel in his eye and then collapse.
He was that guy who was, I can't remember the video, But he's just, the guy was like, why?
unidentified
Why are you voting?
lisa reynolds
Donald Trump is corrupt!
tim pool
Yeah, you guys know what I'm talking about.
He's got a bunch of these.
And it's like, why are you talking like this?
It's a performance.
And so many people are doing it.
And they're falling for this stuff.
This guy had one video where he's like, Donald Trump was in a scheme to put out misinformation to cheat the election.
And now we know that 2016 was stolen through Trump's criminal actions.
And I'm like, it's not a crime.
To make claims in the press.
That's not illegal.
You can say there's fraud if you're selling a product and you mislead someone as to what the product does to take their money from them.
Trump did not do that.
Nor is there evidence so far that Trump was actually involved in any kind of scheme at all.
But there are these people who are putting on this performance.
Then you end up with people following them and getting their news from random people who have no idea what they're talking about.
You know, a good example being Bill Maher.
Bill Maher, I'm joking, but he's a good example of Before the internet, only the Deep State had the podcast.
And Bill Maher's a moron.
This is a guy who doesn't even read the news.
Shout out to when he was reading the quote from Jack Posobiec, which was an obvious joke that Jack told while laughing, and he was shocked, clutching his pearls, going, Jack, we didn't overthrow democracy, but we'll strive, endeavor to try again?
How could this be?
And it's like, Jack was laughing as he was saying this and smiling as the crowd laughed at the joke.
It was called sarcasm.
But people are informed by these people, and that's why you end up with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
lisa reynolds
But he thinks, even though it's sarcasm, that there's a hidden under-meaning.
He was framing it as sarcasm, but he really meant it.
They're that deranged that that's what they say.
I think Bill Maher really believed that Jack was serious about that.
tim pool
Nah, you could tell when Batya was like, that's a joke, Bill!
As Bill's reading it, you sort of see the look in his eye where he's thinking to himself, I'm reading a joke, aren't I?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, that also means, I think I said this at the time when this happened, that someone on his staff was like, Bill, look what they said.
And he was like, really?
This is what happens at CPAC?
I've always heard it's the worst place on earth, but now I know.
Like, somebody set him up to look stupid, or he wants his viewers to not believe it's a joke.
Either he's in on it, or he's being manipulated.
And either one's not a good look.
tim pool
I don't know if it's manipulation, but he has dumb staff who get their news from TikTok, and they saw the out-of-context clip, probably from MSNBC, and then said, here's a quote from Jack Posobiec, and then Bill's like, uh-huh.
And then on the show, he's like, look at this, here's a quote, and then he read it and was like, oh, jeez.
Yeah.
I just read a joke and thought it was real.
And then he goes, well, don't quit your day job.
It's like, Bill, Jack Posobiec is allowed to make jokes sometimes.
You don't have to be a comedian to make a joke sometimes.
Everybody does.
Don't quit your day job.
Jack Posobiec is a host on a news podcast and he, I believe he writes and he tweets and he does a media.
And so sometimes he will tell a joke.
He's rather successful.
In fact, he has millions of followers.
But Bill Maher was embarrassed by what he said.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, I think Jack being at CBAC is essentially part of his day job.
unidentified
Everything he was doing—OK, Bill, he'll continue on.
hannah claire brimelow
Thank you for the endorsement.
tim pool
Yeah.
Alright, we're gonna go to super chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, word of mouth really is the best thing to help the podcast grow, and head over to TimCast.com, click join us for several reasons.
Around 10, 10pm, I'm gonna give it a little bit extra time as we get started to make sure everyone has a chance to tune in.
We will be debuting All That Remains' new single, Divine.
Phil Labonte has graced us with the music video.
This will be the- is this the first time it's going to be publicly displayed?
So technically, it's not public.
It is to the public, but it's for members only.
phil labonte
Yeah, members only.
hannah claire brimelow
It's an exclusive listening party.
phil labonte
That's pretty cool.
The first time we're going to play it is going to be tonight, or at the after party, and then the next time will be midnight on Liquid Metal tonight.
They're going to start playing it on Sirius Liquid Metal for the next They're playing like every hour. Wow, what debuts here and
then they do it for a day then the video goes on Friday. So exciting
tim pool
What's the what's the genre and subgenre? Like how would you it's a metal metalcore? It's probably probably the
phil labonte
safest thing I mean all that remains has been a metalcore band since you
know I mean, we're one of the first people to kind of start
playing metalcore So, um, I just want to say this because you know
tim pool
But the guitar and the drums and the vocals like I mean just everything about it really I'm impressed
phil labonte
Thank you.
tim pool
I love the guitar.
Absolutely.
It's a great song.
We're going to play that.
I am honored that you would debut it on the Members Only show.
Of course.
But that's going to be our uncensored Members Only call-in show, where we will debut Phil's new song, then take calls from all of you guys who are members.
And here's the cool thing.
Go to TimCast.com, click join us.
When you're a member for at least six months, you get upgraded to the submissions room.
If you sign up at the $25 per month level, you're instantly able to submit questions.
It's a screening process, either time or money, because we have activists and we just try to come in and be disruptive.
So we had to have some kind of barrier to make it a little harder.
But when you submit a question, The community actually votes on which questions they want to see asked on the show, so it's really, really great.
You can submit your questions and then actually call in and talk to us, and it's basically what funds everything we do, you guys being members.
But we'll go back to reading your Super Chats.
And let me just... YouTube is a slow... overloads the browser.
And we got a lot of good super chats today.
So, and also shout out to James O'Keefe for the amazing reporting.
T-Bomb says, howdy people.
TokenBlackGuy says, howdy people.
They both beat Clint.
And Robert Delacruz says, where the hell is Clint Torres?
hannah claire brimelow
Is Clint in there at all?
Is he okay?
tim pool
He's not here.
hannah claire brimelow
So there has to be a Clint Torres search party?
phil labonte
I see him on Twitter still.
tim pool
And we also lost... Maybe he's mad.
We lost I'm Not Your Buddy Guy.
phil labonte
Oh, what happened to him?
tim pool
He hasn't posted a super chat in a while.
phil labonte
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Or did he rebrand and we don't realize it?
unidentified
It's true.
tim pool
It's been clicked the whole time.
phil labonte
Could be.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Big7588 says, we were warned by punk rock.
Dead Kennedy's kinky sex makes the world go round.
Well, I guess.
hannah claire brimelow
Phil, do you have any prophecies on your new album that you want to share with us?
Any predictions about politics?
phil labonte
No, no, I don't.
hannah claire brimelow
I bet he does if he's just being modest.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Matthew Hammond says, Lisa, could we get a culture war with Richard Barris of the People's Pundit, Robert Barnes, J.D.
Vance, and Scott Pressler to discuss the populist movement after Trump?
hannah claire brimelow
How many seats do you think are in this room?
lisa reynolds
Listen, always.
I actually took, I saw that come over the super chat and I took a screenshot of that so I can remember whatever you said.
So I'm already, I do pay attention to what you guys say.
So yeah, I have, I already did take a screenshot of that.
phil labonte
That's why she has to take breaks from Twitter sometimes because she gets fired up.
lisa reynolds
Correct.
tim pool
And then people think you're booking IRL guests and they're like, why?
lisa reynolds
I get that all the time.
Well, how come so and so?
I was like, I do not book for IRL.
It is not the same.
It's a completely different thing.
tim pool
I am really excited for Connor Tomlinson, Carl Benjamin, Phil discussing liberalism.
It's going to be like, you know what we need to do for that episode?
We need to get like big chairs with like velvet backs that are long and corncob pipes and like velvet robes.
unidentified
So we will get big wigs, big white wigs.
Well, you know, I think when Locke was writing about it, he was- The table has to be stacked with leather-bound books.
phil labonte
Yes.
I back this.
I'm fully back this.
tim pool
That'll be fun.
Um, I think we could easily get those chairs, and that would be hilarious if we did.
phil labonte
I would- I'd be the best.
lisa reynolds
I'll put, like, a fake film of Stainless on the windows right there so you can really feel like you're in the- I will order the robes.
phil labonte
I'm so into it.
tim pool
We'll get really nice pipes, but they'll have bubbles.
No, I don't want to do any of that.
We can't smoke in here.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know, that robe thing's hilarious.
tim pool
The robe will be fun.
It'll be fun.
Let's go.
Grofty says, 25 months.
Wow, a member for 25 months is too short.
Be the voice of your fellow humans or chicken.
We're really excited about the new chicken city that we're building.
The outdoor portion will actually have a roof.
So the idea with the first Chicken City was indoor and outdoor section, and then we realized it doesn't work.
The whole thing's gotta be covered, but just slightly less.
So the idea is we want sunlight and we want open air and exposure, but the rain really destroys everything.
It rips apart the ground, it erodes, we can't repair it, so we're like, we're gonna cover it, but still make sure that Chicken City gets some sunlight and some protection from the elements at the same time.
lisa reynolds
I'm going to donate dandelions, that way the yolks can be real orange.
tim pool
Is that what happens?
lisa reynolds
Yeah, it's like the... The pollen or something?
No, it starts with a C, Canada, whatever.
But the more they eat dandelions and certain kind of flowers and stuff... You know, dandelions were brought here by the colonists.
tim pool
It was medicinal and their food.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They're not native here.
lisa reynolds
You can fry them up, actually, and it's actually pretty good that you can, like, fry them up and make them little patties and stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like an Appalachian thing, especially.
They batter and fry dandelions, and they supposedly taste like deep-fried mushrooms.
hannah claire brimelow
I love regional culture.
lisa reynolds
I'm just afraid that there's, like, pesticides and everything.
You know how, like, people are like, oh, I'm gonna grow my own stuff now?
I'm afraid to, like, even grow my own stuff, because I feel like the soil that they bag us up is tainted, you know what I mean?
Like, I feel like everything's tainted anyway, so I'm afraid to eat, like, wild dandelions.
Even if I wash them and whatever.
hannah claire brimelow
I bet you could find a soil brand that's like very, like, nothing has been added to this.
But it is hard.
You can't escape all kinds of things.
I hear this about, like, water, you know, even if your city is like, oh, we filter it, you really can't trust it at all.
lisa reynolds
I don't trust anything.
tim pool
At all.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a fun way to live.
lisa reynolds
live. I know it's awful.
tim pool
Talking black guy says Tim cast should start a new show with
Lisa Josie and Hannah Claire and call it based a F. That's a fun
phil labonte
The morning thing would be a good idea, like a ladies morning thing.
tim pool
That's the plan.
lisa reynolds
The Promise Island, Philadelphia.
hannah claire brimelow
Josie lives in Florida.
tim pool
Exactly.
So what we wanted to do was basically the view, but with sane women, you know, and not
ill-informed, overly emotional women.
unidentified
We could try virtual, I'm just saying.
hannah claire brimelow
Or we could make it a seasonal thing and we go on a girl's road trip and then we see how long we last until we're sick of each other.
lisa reynolds
Can we go to a dude ranch please?
It's my ultimate dream vacation to go to a dude ranch.
hannah claire brimelow
Dude, I'm in.
tim pool
Yeah, we were thinking of using the old studio for it, of doing like a mid-morning, like, moms discussing issues.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm being profiled against.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
hannah claire brimelow
Tim hates me because I don't have kids.
tim pool
No, you're on this show.
hannah claire brimelow
No, just kidding.
tim pool
I'm the mom.
hannah claire brimelow
But now, hey, moms deserve to talk too.
You guys have rights.
tim pool
Well, the thing is, It's fascinating.
Looking at the podcast metrics, women do not listen to culture and news and politics.
They listen to true crime.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And makeup.
hannah claire brimelow
True crime and relationships.
Yeah.
I have always thought we needed those as brands.
lisa reynolds
Alex Clark was pretty decent with that, with poplitics.
tim pool
I like her.
Tales from the Inverted World is kicking off this Sunday.
I will be joining for the first episode with Shane Cashman.
And I don't know what the subjects are, but this is... I'm probably going to be jealous of this show, because it's call-ins from people who have paranormal experiences and mysteries.
So it's a live show, not too dissimilar to the format that we do, but the point of the show is... I'll tell you this now.
Become a member at TimCast.com.
As we're setting up the call-in portion for Tales from the Inverted World, because everybody who's got a UFO experience, a ghost experience, a cryptid experience, maybe government agents or something, or just you have a story about some weird paranormal or unexplained phenomenon, that's the point of the show is take those call-ins, have the caller tell their story, and then discuss it with the host and the guest, and then do maybe like three or four callers per episode, That's cool.
I love these shows.
unidentified
When like, some old dude calls and he's like, let me tell you about the ghost who's been haunting my family.
lisa reynolds
Do you believe him though?
tim pool
I don't care.
hannah claire brimelow
Well look, we have a show to figure this out now.
tim pool
I do a little bit.
lisa reynolds
I do a little bit.
tim pool
It's Sunday night, the lights are turned low, and there's this grisly old man telling you about this strange velvet figure that keeps walking through his hallways but no one can catch him.
And then one day, his grandmother was pushed down the stairs, but no one was there.
They brought an exorcist in.
phil labonte
Yeah, those stories are awesome.
I can reach out to Steve Gonzalez from Ghost Hunters.
He actually played drums in the first band that I was in.
tim pool
Really?
phil labonte
Great guest for Culture War.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
Alright, we'll grab some more.
But that's going to be a Sunday.
I don't know the exact time, but it's going to be Sunday evenings.
So that's when we're going to bring in callers.
The idea is, for the most part, it's like, if you're a member of Timcast, you can submit your stories, but I think we'll probably also have...
People submitting through email as well and ideally it's members because that's the simplest way we have to run a call-in show and screen guests for a live show.
The challenge is I don't know if there's a big enough pool of stories through just the member base.
hannah claire brimelow
Would you do like a voicemail box where people can like call in and leave like a summary of their story and you could like contact them?
tim pool
I think they just email in, say like, hey, here's my name, here's my story.
hannah claire brimelow
I didn't know if you'd want to play their audio on the show or something.
tim pool
Well, no, like they talk live on the show.
So they actually call in and have a conversation about the story.
So it's like, tell us your story.
And then people will tell their ghost stories.
And I think a lot of people have these stories they want to tell.
But this is like the only kind of show where you get them out there.
lisa reynolds
I think this is a fun idea.
I think it'll work.
I think you can vet people enough.
I mean, what, are they gonna go say random stuff?
It's not a political show.
tim pool
Some people absolutely do.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's why I was thinking of the voicemail thing.
Like, if somebody called in and was like, here's my story or here's, like, whatever it is, then you couldn't be like, here is the audio recording, but then you can't interact with them.
tim pool
Yeah, it's really about telling the story and then asking questions.
Like, wait, wait, wait, so you're saying that The stairs were covered in water?
And they're like, yeah, yeah, you know, like, what?
Like, that interaction is what really, really gets it going.
All right, here we go.
Paul Taskalos says, I just randomly discovered the U.S.
is using Ukrainian military transport airplanes, Antonov AN-12BK, to do migrant flights, importing from border towns to U.S.
interior.
Check my pinned tweet.
Real PJ Paul.
I think I heard that as well.
J.W.
Dickinson says, I'm still waiting for a K-cup coffee multi-pack so that I can gift it to a friend to force him to buy from you depending on his flavor of choice.
Yeah, we need to get that.
I forgot what the reason was.
We gotta figure that one out.
You can always just send them Appalachian Nights, because that seems to be everyone's favorite, and it's like the only coffee that I drink.
I can tell when the coffee changes.
You know, it's like Allison will be making espresso or coffee in the morning, and I'm like, what is this?
She's like, oh, well, you know, I had this other bag, and I'm like, mmm, I knew it.
hannah claire brimelow
You're like, not in my household.
lisa reynolds
I'm like the only person that doesn't drink coffee, so I've never had it.
hannah claire brimelow
You and the Mormons.
tim pool
Maybe it's because you haven't had Appalachian Nights.
unidentified
I like tea.
lisa reynolds
Maybe that's why.
Maybe that's why.
phil labonte
You should try it.
It's good.
lisa reynolds
We should make tea.
For people like me.
tim pool
We should, actually.
We're getting there.
Like, we want to do a lot of things.
We want to do, like, obviously hot cocoa, and we want to do cold brew cans, and energy drinks, and protein.
And so we worked a lot of this stuff out, but there's only so much manpower, time, and energy, and we really got to get the coffee shop open.
So we're in the drawing and permitting process, which takes forever.
It's crazy.
We were supposed to open a year ago, and then contractors didn't work out, and then we had new contractors who didn't work out, and now we have a really amazing team of contractors that seem to just be able to do anything and everything instantly and super quick, the best guys we've ever had, and now things seem to be moving along, and so once we get the permitting process done, it'll be a couple months, but of course we're delayed, and everyone's like, Tim, you can say it'll be June or July, and I'm like, okay, and now they're like, oh, definitely not June or July, and I'm like, are you kidding?
lisa reynolds
Contractors are notoriously the worst.
They'll start a job, they'll take half your deposit or your money, and then they don't show up anymore, and they're just like, you're like, hey, you have this money.
tim pool
Not the current guys we have, though.
These guys, it's just like... Well, they rock, yeah.
Yeah, we needed trim put in after that.
We changed the lights, and it was like, the next morning I walk in, it's done.
I was like, whoa.
Like, wow.
unidentified
Shout out.
lisa reynolds
So, you know, I could have put that quote around up there for you.
tim pool
I'm 33 and going to take my 8-year-old to his first concert for his birthday gift.
unidentified
He's super excited.
tim pool
in the world, but it was just like they got it done.
unidentified
P.S.
lisa reynolds
It was nice that they did it that fashion.
This whole place looks great.
It's my first time here.
phil labonte
All right.
unidentified
It's cool.
tim pool
Super Mercer Bro says, Hey, Phil, huge fan.
You too, Tim.
Are you doing anything VIP or meet and greets?
I'm 33 and going to take my eight year old to his first concert
for his birthday gift.
He's super excited.
P.S. We're in AZ.
phil labonte
Yes, there will be meet and greets.
Go to allthatremainsonline.com for information on meet and greets and tickets and stuff.
tim pool
Purple says, doesn't Matt Walsh work for Jews?
No.
I believe that Jeremy Boring is, is he Catholic?
phil labonte
Catholic, yeah.
tim pool
He's Catholic.
Matt Walsh is Catholic, but Ben Shapiro as part owner is Jewish, but I think that only means Jew, not Jews.
Also, I think there's a gross overestimation of the, like, I think following the Candace thing, people genuinely believe that, like, daily wire is preventing people from being critical of Israel.
I don't think that's the case.
lisa reynolds
I agree.
tim pool
But I do think, like, Ben, I think Ben and Jeremy both said something like, we have our limit, where if you're not in line with what our company is doing, then you're not going to work here or whatever.
Like, we're going to part ways.
Matt Walsh has, this is not the first time he's criticized something pertaining to Israel.
They've had, on Daily Wire's backstage, Matt Walsh has discussed and debated with Jeremy and Ben on some of these things.
And Matt's great.
Everyone loves him.
lisa reynolds
I don't know.
I think that Candace didn't really want to be there anyway.
Everybody was kind of like unhappy and looking for an out.
I feel like that whole thing was going on for like a year anyway.
tim pool
I think it may have had something to do with her saying that Trudeau's wife was a man.
My conspiracy theory was that she was like, I went out of my contract and they're like, we can't, you have a contract, you got to finish it.
And she's like, okay.
And then she went on her show and said, Bridgette McCrone is a man.
And then they're like, okay, we get your point.
You can leave your contract.
hannah claire brimelow
It seemed like she and Ben were sort of mutually critical and it doesn't seem like it was a good fit.
Hopefully splitting ways works out better for everyone.
lisa reynolds
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm so sick of, like, the... It's just so hard to, like, speculate on another company's internal politics based on Twitter wars, you know?
tim pool
My attitude kind of is like, I don't know that I disagree with The Daily Wire or, like, Ben to an extreme degree.
I obviously disagree on, like, funding of Israel and War America First.
Ben thinks we should be supporting and funding Israel.
But it's also kind of obvious he is Jewish.
And I'm like, OK, that's kind of obvious.
But The Daily Wire, and we here at TimCast, and many other people in the libertarian, post-liberal, former disaffected liberal, overlap on 97% to like 90% of things.
I'm like, I'll have a conversation where I say I disagree, and then I'll shake hands and say, thank you for agreeing on almost all of the things that we need to win.
lisa reynolds
I don't understand why people get so personally invested.
These people are so personally invested in these hosts or what they think is going on behind the scenes.
They have no idea what's going on, right?
These people are real people.
I can watch Ben Shapiro and realize what I don't agree with him on, what I think he's wrong on, but still like him and still see the value that he adds to the situation.
And I can do that with Crowder.
I can do that with Candace.
I can do that with you, each and every one.
Like, I don't understand why these people get, like, you're acting like they're talking about your mother.
It's weird.
tim pool
It's like Ben will say 99 things that you're like, that's right, that's right.
And then he says, but I'm also pro-Israel and I think we should be defending Israel.
And then instantly they're like, I am unfollowing and unsubscribing from the Daily Wire because the one thing you said crossed the line for me.
And my attitude is like, okay, well then you got to do that.
Like if you don't want to support them or whatever, fine.
My attitude is more just, there's varying degrees of conflict.
A far left communist who wants to like, you know, sterilize kids.
Yeah, we are adversaries in this culture war.
And then, like, some current liberal who, like, agrees that we shouldn't be doing those things but wants to vote for Biden anyway.
Okay, you're someone that I'm going to debate, but I'm not going to insult you.
We're going to have a conversation.
And then you've got someone like Ben where we agree on a lot of things and then disagree on, like, foreign funding.
And I'm like, but I mostly agree with him.
So it's like, it's great.
Thank you for helping us win where we need to win.
And we can disagree where we disagree.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, I agree.
Everybody hates The Daily Wire so much, or at least I feel like in a lot of my circles.
And I'm like, I love The Daily Wire all the time.
And I'm further right than all of them.
tim pool
And it's also too, I think Cassandra was saying this about Matt Walsh, like she doesn't like Ben, but she loves Matt Walsh.
lisa reynolds
I love Michael Knowles now.
I shifted my love.
I love Michael Knowles right now.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think that'd be a sign of a good network, right?
If there are hosts that you can't stand but other ones that you love, it's better than being like, yeah, I kind of like a couple of them and they all kind of say the same thing.
tim pool
I think Walsh and Knowles are both geniuses.
Like, Michael Knowles' speeches impressed me greatly.
I can't remember the last time I was just watching and I was like, this man is a genius.
He's absolutely fantastic.
And Matt Walsh is also great.
I disagree with Matt Walsh on a handful of things.
And that's great, but I'm just like, I watch their clips and I'm like, these guys are fantastic.
No wonder they've built such a massive following and have made so much money for the Daily Wire and themselves.
lisa reynolds
I admire his, I admire Michael Knowles' personality.
He's so like kind and sweet or something.
tim pool
He can play the guitar and sing too.
lisa reynolds
Yeah, easy and like fun about him.
And even when he's talking about serious issues that he can be hard on, I just, I'm a fan.
tim pool
I do think it's funny though, like, I don't watch Ben Shapiro.
Everyone's like, you know, he's the guy who runs the Daily Wire.
I watch his clips sometimes when I see him, but like, I more frequently will see Matt Walsh's stuff.
I don't watch a lot of their stuff, but Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles I watch relatively I like the morning wire.
lisa reynolds
It's like set up like NPR.
It's real quick, 15 minutes.
It's easy, but... I like the day of the wire.
unidentified
Yeah, me too.
All right.
tim pool
Let's, uh, let's, uh, oh, and they're doing a new show that's coming out.
Uh, uh, animated cartoon.
lisa reynolds
Are they?
tim pool
Like, I think Adam Kroll's in it.
Uh, they're doing great stuff.
I'm jealous for sure.
lisa reynolds
You did cool stuff like the car.
That was amazing.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
We got a car.
Yeah.
Cody Dennison.
Shout out.
We're really excited.
lisa reynolds
Awesome.
unidentified
Sick.
tim pool
Gonna be fun.
I think the, he's got a race on Saturday.
Is that right?
hannah claire brimelow
I think he was saying Saturday.
tim pool
Yeah.
Man, it's too bad.
I'm going to be in Florida.
phil labonte
I think it's Sunday, actually.
tim pool
Sunday?
phil labonte
They usually are on Sundays.
tim pool
Okay.
I think a lot of them are on Friday, actually.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Let's go!
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Daniel John says, hey Tim, fan from the land down under.
Oh, you come from the land down under.
What's your take on the Australian government trying to censor content on X?
Our government officials are scared of being criticized.
Your thoughts?
I think they want to censor content outside of Australia too.
lisa reynolds
I think you're right.
tim pool
Dude, Australia is a crackpot country.
It's got cool people.
Shout out to Richie Jackson, who I think is both Kiwi and Australian.
And I know a lot of people from Australia, and they're great.
And then the government does all these weird crackpot things.
It's like Canada, too.
It's a lot of great people in Canada.
I've got a lot of Canadian friends.
And then their government does this weird crackpot stuff.
It's unfortunate.
lisa reynolds
They lock pregnant women up for Facebook posts.
That was them, right?
Not the UK?
Was it them or the UK?
Australia?
tim pool
Australia created the concentration camps where they took indigenous kids, aboriginal kids, and they locked them up and they were like, it's not a concentration camp.
And then the kids escaped and were hunted down and rearrested.
lisa reynolds
I totally remember that.
tim pool
Yeah, dude, crazy.
There was the video where the guy, they pull up in a van to his house and they were like, sir, you took a COVID test not too long ago and it came up negative, so we're going to quarantine you.
And he's like, well, all right then.
And he just walks into the van.
And then they were like, we haven't seen him since.
unidentified
And I was like, okay, like, wow, I just that's kind of wild.
tim pool
People are like, yeah, sure, no problem.
And they just get in the van and get taken off and then don't know where they went.
unidentified
But, uh, you know, I think that happens here.
tim pool
I was in Belgium a while ago, and there was this guy who was six foot tall and made of muscles, and I asked him if he spoke my language, and he handed me a Vegemite sandwich.
unidentified
That was so gross.
tim pool
You know what that is.
All the fans of Men at Work were like, okay, Tim, rolling their eyes.
Men at Work are awesome, by the way.
phil labonte
They're a great band.
tim pool
Overkill just did a great song.
Someone put on the Men at Work playlist like a week ago and now all the Men at Work songs are, I come from the land down under.
lisa reynolds
That's in my head now by the way.
phil labonte
Such a good song.
lisa reynolds
Since you said it.
tim pool
All right.
Todd B says, Tim, did you see that the anti-protesting CA apparently started from an attack earlier that day on an Israeli girl that left her unconscious?
Oh, and please check out Afro Man's new song just released.
I did.
So a woman got attacked.
She had a flag.
They put her in the ER.
And then people got pissed.
And so, you know, and then and then the left is like, they attacked us.
And it's like, bro, y'all y'all took space and land and violence begets violence.
I mean, like, what do you think's gonna happen?
And also shout out to Afro Man.
Uh, who made the Hunter Got High song.
I believe that was Bass Records, too.
Shout out to Bass Records.
And, uh, that was so good.
They got Afro Man to sing Hunter Got High.
Yeah.
phil labonte
That's solid.
tim pool
Yeah.
Classic.
Let's go.
The Sinister Sibling says, the antisemitism bill and these scenes at the colleges only further convinced me that the separation of church and state was a terrible idea.
lisa reynolds
Correct.
phil labonte
No.
hannah claire brimelow
Ooh, a debate!
Maybe it's a culture war episode!
tim pool
You have one minute.
phil labonte
Kidding me.
lisa reynolds
He knows I want a Christian nation.
tim pool
Theocratic fascism?
lisa reynolds
Well, not fascism, but I want like a— That's Matt Walsh's joke, I think?
No, I honestly think that like—I said I wasn't going to say this, but here we go.
I want a Christian nation to have Christian people living with Christians.
Israel can have a country with Jewish people, Muslim countries have that.
Now listen, I'm not saying that the Christian countries, you can't live here if you're something else, but I want our morals and values codified into law.
I think that that's the only.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and we were founded out of a Christian world.
lisa reynolds
Yes.
phil labonte
What morals and values are not codified into law that you feel should be?
lisa reynolds
The way that marriage is, the way that, um, So then certain relationships are.
I mean, there's all kinds of things.
Abortion.
I mean, what do you want me to say?
There's a ton of things.
Well, abortion isn't codified.
It should be.
It should be murder.
I mean, I can keep going.
phil labonte
Okay, but the point that I'm making is... Mandatory church on Sundays.
lisa reynolds
I'm fine with that.
Actually, I liked it when Pennsylvania had, like, on Sundays you can't, like, buy beer.
I think even now in Pennsylvania, you still can't supposedly buy a car on Sundays, right?
tim pool
In Virginia, you can't.
lisa reynolds
Can we start, like, observing these things?
unidentified
No.
Why?
phil labonte
Because I don't want to!
unidentified
But it took away...
lisa reynolds
We took away from families and from that rest time alone.
Now we're going, going, going.
unidentified
God wanted a work-centric culture.
tim pool
Lisa, you're completely wrong.
You're completely wrong.
What we need is for our police to be instructed by the priests and to... I'm kidding.
phil labonte
How, I mean, I think that we would be, before we need to make significant, like, significant changes like that, I think if we just actually enforce the law that we already have, that would probably take care of a lot of the problems.
I mean, all the, like, people are talking about the, you know, we talked about the new law that they just passed about hate speech and stuff like that.
All they, we have sufficient property laws to take care of it.
They were getting wrapped up because Oh, I think the hate speech is dumb.
lisa reynolds
I think that's dumb and we should enforce the laws in the books.
phil labonte
What do you think that Christians are going to do?
I'm going to say, Jesus Christ, and they're going to throw me in jail.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you know that Mother's Day tends to be the day that has the lowest crime rate in most cities?
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
And I find that really interesting, right?
I mean, it's Mother's Day, not Father's Day.
phil labonte
Because Mama doesn't play around.
hannah claire brimelow
And also you're supposed to be with your mom, you're supposed to be with your family.
I think that all, like, theoretically our laws are supposed to help reinforce our cultural values.
Correct.
And you could go over which ones are supposed to be where and what's, you know, what infringes on freedom, but ultimately Christianity supports a strong family unit and that is important for the culture of a nation.
tim pool
Remember that video where there was that teenager at a riot protest thing in L.A.?
And the mom saw him, and she grabbed him, and she was screaming at him, and she was hitting him with a shoe or something.
phil labonte
It was awesome.
tim pool
And the kid's like, Mom, Mom, and she's like, What are you doing?
unidentified
What is wrong with you?
tim pool
And she drags him away.
lisa reynolds
We need more of that.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, how many times do we see things happen where, like, where are these people's parents?
Like, where is someone saying, like, you're acting ridiculous or, hey, you're loved and affirmed at home and you don't need to do these crazy things for attention online?
lisa reynolds
They're so nuts and narcissists.
They're cheering them on thinking they're going to get some Facebook likes out of it, too.
Like, look at my daughter.
These people are nuts.
tim pool
Let's grab one more super chat here from The Topping Show.
He says, Hey Tim, how do you combat censorship on YouTube?
Notice that at times when I search your channel it won't say new episodes on the search bar or send notifications.
It's now happening to my channel, making it near impossible to grow, seeing more views on Rumble.
That's right.
YouTube is censoring.
My view is that YouTube puts negative pressure on anti-establishment and positive pressure on establishment.
So basically it's attrition.
They want to make sure people slowly forget about you, but only slowly, and they want to make it impossible for new channels in the anti-establishment space to grow.
But if you're pro-establishment, you'll see a positive uptick.
So there are a lot of shows that are completely wrong, and they get things totally wrong all the time, and for some reason they're just seeing great growth.
And then there are other channels that are anti-establishment, and I mean, you can look at Crowder, for instance.
They gave him a strike on everything.
We just had two of our biggest episodes were deleted.
Three years later, like, oh, they broke the rules.
Spare me.
It's the game.
What you have to do is build a business outside of YouTube.
That's why we have the Timcast memberships, so that in the event that something happens on YouTube, we have that sort of safety net.
That being said, if we got banned from YouTube, it's basically I mean, it's like a third of the business shuts down.
I don't know how we operate without YouTube.
That's a reality.
So follow us on Rumble.
Rumble.com slash TimCast IRL as well as TimCast and TimCast News.
They're all on Rumble.
I've got a bunch of channels.
And follow me at TimCast on X and Instagram.
Those are going to be important.
We're posting clips there as well.
We're also available on all podcast platforms.
So in the event we do get nuked from YouTube, we're still on Spotify and Apple.
And those are actually large for us.
Somewhere like a third or more of our traffic on the podcast, not on YouTube, surprisingly.
So we're there.
And go to TimCast.com, click join us, because we are going to the uncensored call-in show now in just a few minutes, where we are going to debut the new single from All That Remains.
Divine.
unidentified
Exciting.
tim pool
It's an honor and a privilege, sir.
It's an honor.
So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
We'll wrap up there before we head out, but Lisa, do you want to shout anything out?
lisa reynolds
No, just make sure you guys tune in to The Culture War at Tenet Media on Fridays.
tim pool
What are we doing this Friday?
lisa reynolds
Abortion.
hannah claire brimelow
You're doing an abortion live on The Culture War?
lisa reynolds
No, no.
Kristen Hawkins.
hannah claire brimelow
Even Phil was shocked by that one.
lisa reynolds
We had a pastor That was with a pastor organization.
He had a family emergency last minute, so we have another pastor that was his friend that's coming in who's actually local.
So it's going to be Chris and Hawkins.
They're both.
Well, he's a pastor that is pro-choice, and she is, you know, a pro-life activist.
tim pool
Interesting.
This'll get heated.
I go hard on the legal arguments there, so it'll be fun.
lisa reynolds
So yeah.
And we're gonna talk about how they think it affects the election and things like that.
unidentified
Cool.
lisa reynolds
That's very cool.
Now there's a couple really spicy ones coming up after that.
So I think May 17th?
The 17th.
Look forward to the 17th.
tim pool
That one's gonna be... Should we just say who it is?
lisa reynolds
I mean... We've got Pearl, Lauren Chen, Isabella Riley, and Rachel Wilson.
phil labonte
All in one show?
lisa reynolds
Yeah, they're all coming.
phil labonte
Wow!
tim pool
Yeah, I'm excited.
I feel like I'm gonna be sitting here like with my hands up.
hannah claire brimelow
Like good luck to Kellan who's pressing the button.
lisa reynolds
I'm gonna be babysitting.
I'm gonna be watching Isabella's daughter.
tim pool
Yeah, you should come down.
lisa reynolds
I am.
I'm gonna help with the baby while she's there.
tim pool
Phil!
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
If you click the link down below in the description of this here video, you can pre-order the pre-save Our new single, Divine, it'll be available on Friday the 30th.
The video goes up then as well.
The band is All That Remains.
You can catch us this summer on the Destroy All Enemies Tour with Megadeth, Mudvayne, and All That Remains.
It's gonna start out on August 2nd and it goes until September 29th.
You can follow the band on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Deezer or Dozer or whatever it's called.
You know, Pandora.
You know, the internet.
And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
Hannah Clare.
hannah claire brimelow
It's been so fun to be here.
I'm glad we got to do a show together, Lisa.
Me too.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlaw.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
You can follow all of our work at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlaw.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
Bye, Serge!
unidentified
See you later, Hannah-Claire.
See you guys.
lisa reynolds
Bye, Serge.
tim pool
We will see you all over at timcast.com for the debut of Divine by All That Remains.
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